Simply;
Volvo B5LH Euro 6 in the garage with dual door and red livery. The rear looks like the NBFL, wish I had a mobile with a camera as I could've got a pic. Had a load of top execs on board as well. Something different every day at BC - crazy.
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
Simply;
Volvo B5LH Euro 6 in the garage with dual door and red livery. The rear looks like the NBFL, wish I had a mobile with a camera as I could've got a pic. Had a load of top execs on board as well. Something different every day at BC - crazy.
I assume it may be a Wrightbus Demo destined for trials in London
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
Simply;
Volvo B5LH Euro 6 in the garage with dual door and red livery. The rear looks like the NBFL, wish I had a mobile with a camera as I could've got a pic. Had a load of top execs on board as well. Something different every day at BC - crazy.
I assume it may be a Wrightbus Demo destined for trials in London
More then likely. The front was hardly changed but the rear was shocking. The lights were all spread out with uneven gaps between the indicators brakes and reversing lights. Like you said before; bring the standard Geminis with standard wheelbase.
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 07:14:57 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
Simply;
Volvo B5LH Euro 6 in the garage with dual door and red livery. The rear looks like the NBFL, wish I had a mobile with a camera as I could've got a pic. Had a load of top execs on board as well. Something different every day at BC - crazy.
I assume it may be a Wrightbus Demo destined for trials in London
More then likely. The front was hardly changed but the rear was shocking. The lights were all spread out with uneven gaps between the indicators brakes and reversing lights. Like you said before; bring the standard Geminis with standard wheelbase.
Yes I would still like to see NX dual source double deckers as they did in the past just to add a bit of variety.
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come, I expect NX would go out to competitive tender for their new vehicle requirements, but surely have an idea in mind what they are intending to buy. So, like you say will probably play one manufacturer off against the other to get what they want and cheapest price they can
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come, I expect NX would go out to competitive tender for their new vehicle requirements, but surely have an idea in mind what they are intending to buy. So, like you say will probably play one manufacturer off against the other to get what they want and cheapest price they can
But the sad thing is though Winston I can't see them gaining more types. They're obsessed with closing the sale with ADL all thetime, and u I think they're lacking in the quality department. E400's are rattling already. I recall the Tridents new they were solid.
I think some B9 Enviro 400's or Scania's
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come, I expect NX would go out to competitive tender for their new vehicle requirements, but surely have an idea in mind what they are intending to buy. So, like you say will probably play one manufacturer off against the other to get what they want and cheapest price they can
But the sad thing is though Winston I can't see them gaining more types. They're obsessed with closing the sale with ADL all thetime, and u I think they're lacking in the quality department. E400's are rattling already. I recall the Tridents new they were solid.
There must be some reason NX are favouring the E400's, after all you'll notice that First Group are now buying E400's as standard over Wright Geminis, may be the E400's offer better fuel consumption?
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come, I expect NX would go out to competitive tender for their new vehicle requirements, but surely have an idea in mind what they are intending to buy. So, like you say will probably play one manufacturer off against the other to get what they want and cheapest price they can
But the sad thing is though Winston I can't see them gaining more types. They're obsessed with closing the sale with ADL all thetime, and u I think they're lacking in the quality department. E400's are rattling already. I recall the Tridents new they were solid.
There must be some reason NX are favouring the E400's, after all you'll notice that First Group are now buying E400's as standard over Wright Geminis, may be the E400's offer better fuel consumption?
I don't think you could measure the difference if I'm honest.
I think it is the increased after market support.
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 01, 2013, 09:14:51 PM
Now that's what I'm saying regarding the E400's. If we had some variation - back in the day we had Tridents, Spectras, B7's (various bodies), etc etc but now; blurgh.
I mean hell I'll even welcome that MCV or MAN or some other unknown brand just for variation. Not only for myself not to get bored but to make prices low by bargaining various manufacturers against each other - it makes for good business.
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come, I expect NX would go out to competitive tender for their new vehicle requirements, but surely have an idea in mind what they are intending to buy. So, like you say will probably play one manufacturer off against the other to get what they want and cheapest price they can
But the sad thing is though Winston I can't see them gaining more types. They're obsessed with closing the sale with ADL all thetime, and u I think they're lacking in the quality department. E400's are rattling already. I recall the Tridents new they were solid.
Unfortunately, the Enviro seems to be the bus of the moment in London to, you used to see lots of variations there, now most "normal" buses seem to be Enviros whilst the Hybrids are the Wright Gemini B5s & NB4L. Presumably "THE PRICE IS RIGHT" (although the NB4Ls aren't cheap at all)
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 01, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
I think some B9 Enviro 400's or Scania's
I can't remember whether Volvo have confirmed the new double decker offering, or are they standardising on the B5LH?
The new single decker will be B8RLE
Do Scania even still offer the Omnicity Double Decker bodywork now? as they haven't won any orders since First took 39 x 61 plate examples for Tfl routes 207/207N some two years ago
To be honest, buying a big batch of scania buses wouldnt be a bad idea as with scania making people redundant at slupsk they want a big order and would give a good deal Im sure so maybe time for some more omnilinks :P
Quote from: Peter123 on July 01, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
To be honest, buying a big batch of scania buses wouldnt be a bad idea as with scania making people redundant at slupsk they want a big order and would give a good deal Im sure so maybe time for some more omnilinks :P
Don't recall seeing anything confirmed with what Scania are intending to offer on the bus side for Euro 6
Quote from: Peter123 on July 01, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
To be honest, buying a big batch of scania buses wouldnt be a bad idea as with scania making people redundant at slupsk they want a big order and would give a good deal Im sure so maybe time for some more omnilinks :P
Please NO, no more Omnilinks, hate them, would much prefer the B7RLE, a much better bus.
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 01, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
I think some B9 Enviro 400's or Scania's
I can't remember whether Volvo have confirmed the new double decker offering, or are they standardising on the B5LH?
The new single decker will be B8RLE
Do Scania even still offer the Omnicity Double Decker bodywork now? as they haven't won any orders since First took 39 x 61 plate examples for Tfl routes 207/207N some two years ago
http://www.volvobuses.com/bus/uk/en-gb/newsmedia/pressreleases/_layouts/CWP.Internet.VolvoCom/NewsItem.aspx?News.ItemId=133552&News.Language=en-gb
If I've read this right the B9s replacement will be the B5TL and will be launched this Autumn (presumably it will be at Coach and Bus live at the NEC) :P
Also give me Scania over the current Volvo offerings any day, fingers crossed the Euro 6 range is a vast improvement!
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 01, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
I think some B9 Enviro 400's or Scania's
I can't remember whether Volvo have confirmed the new double decker offering, or are they standardising on the B5LH?
The new single decker will be B8RLE
Do Scania even still offer the Omnicity Double Decker bodywork now? as they haven't won any orders since First took 39 x 61 plate examples for Tfl routes 207/207N some two years ago
I think the B9 is available on a Enviro body?
I haven't actually seen any newer than 61 plate now that you mention it although Stagecoach have took on a lot of Scania engine enviro's
Am i right in thinking that Scania no longer produce the double decker Omnicity?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
Am i right in thinking that Scania no longer produce the double decker Omnicity?
That's what I'm thinking despite rumours that NX could be taking some for Sutton Lines earlier this year. Scania still produce double deck chassis, but I'm not sure of what Stagecoach buy to have bodied by ADL are the same as the Omncity double decker chassis
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
Am i right in thinking that Scania no longer produce the double decker Omnicity?
I dont think they do no but Im sure they would consider offering it again if people wanted it-scania products just seemed to stop selling overnight-in 2009 everyone was buying them
About scanias euro 6 range they must be planning to offer something tho I reckon their USP will be gas buses and the reading ones look really good
Quote from: Peter123 on July 01, 2013, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2013, 09:39:50 PM
Am i right in thinking that Scania no longer produce the double decker Omnicity?
I dont think they do no but Im sure they would consider offering it again if people wanted it-scania products just seemed to stop selling overnight-in 2009 everyone was buying them
About scanias euro 6 range they must be planning to offer something tho I reckon their USP will be gas buses and the reading ones look really good
The same ones which were converted to diesel after a year of service :p
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2013, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 01, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
To be honest, buying a big batch of scania buses wouldnt be a bad idea as with scania making people redundant at slupsk they want a big order and would give a good deal Im sure so maybe time for some more omnilinks :P
Please NO, no more Omnilinks, hate them, would much prefer the B7RLE, a much better bus.
Couldn't agree more. I'm pretty sure we won't have to worry about any more new Omnilinks though anyway
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
It would be dull if we had a fleet of only a few types in a few years to come
Back to the mid-late nineties - an endless sea of Metrobuses, save for the H-LOM Scanias and Lynxes.
At least that's how it felt...
Why has 2142 been repainted?
It also had a red strip between destination and windscreen. Different shade of red then usual B7RLE as new.
It looks like a new cab window and lower front quarter panels also.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 01, 2013, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 01, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
I think some B9 Enviro 400's or Scania's
I can't remember whether Volvo have confirmed the new double decker offering, or are they standardising on the B5LH?
The new single decker will be B8RLE
Do Scania even still offer the Omnicity Double Decker bodywork now? as they haven't won any orders since First took 39 x 61 plate examples for Tfl routes 207/207N some two years ago
I think the B9 is available on a Enviro body?
I haven't actually seen any newer than 61 plate now that you mention it although Stagecoach have took on a lot of Scania engine enviro's
Yeah b9 is available on enviro400 and 500, Dublin bus are examples, they favour Volvo.
On the subject of scania I would love some more second best engine and build out there. Think the build quality is far much superior to ADL and Wright only one I would say is better than scania is Mercedes (who I reckon are the best out there).
Personally I would love for NX to buy a batch of the citaros which have a great 6 litre engine which surely has to offer great fuel consumption?
And hopefully (even though I reckon it wouldn't happen), buy some Mercedes engine optare double deckers which are ment to be coming out shortly!
Quote from: dannygill on July 03, 2013, 12:19:30 AM
Personally I would love for NX to buy a batch of the citaros which have a great 6 litre engine which surely has to offer great fuel consumption?
And hopefully (even though I reckon it wouldn't happen), buy some Mercedes engine optare double deckers which are ment to be coming out shortly!
Totally agree, I'd love to see NX buying a batch of the latest Citaros to upgrade some of the higher profile single decker routes
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/bus/home/new_buses/models/regular_service_busses/_citaro.flash.html
WB could get a some new Citaro in next year.
Quote from: The Rat on July 02, 2013, 07:30:30 PM
Why has 2142 been repainted?
It also had a red strip between destination and windscreen. Different shade of red then usual B7RLE as new.
It looks like a new cab window and lower front quarter panels also.
2063 @ WN has also had the red at least repainted in to the new shade; I can only assume both are due to accident damage
Quote from: 6013 on July 03, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
WB could get a some new Citaro in next year.
It would be nice to see Pensnett gain a batch to upgrade some of the higher profile single decker routes that serve Merry Hill ;)
Oooh! Citaro - yes please!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 03, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Oooh! Citaro - yes please!
Volvo/Wright & Merc Citaro for dual sourcing of full size single deckers ;)
Quote from: Winston on July 03, 2013, 09:27:58 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 03, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Oooh! Citaro - yes please!
Volvo/Wright & Merc Citaro for dual sourcing of full size single deckers ;)
You're on my Chrimbo card list, Winston!
Winston, Yes 2063 was repainted due to accident damage (Don't ask what happened as i can't remember).
I have noticed that next to the door before the wheelarch on 2071 has had a touch of the bright shade of red
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 03, 2013, 12:32:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 03, 2013, 09:27:58 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 03, 2013, 09:25:53 AM
Oooh! Citaro - yes please!
Volvo/Wright & Merc Citaro for dual sourcing of full size single deckers ;)
You're on my Chrimbo card list, Winston!
Splendid, I'll happily accept Xmas bottles as well ;)
Externally, some of the BC E200s and B7's are already looking a bit battered...
1913 was in BC this morning.
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
1913 was in BC this morning.
Do you mean 4913 the E400, Rat, or 1913 the Scania Omnilink?
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
1913 was in BC this morning.
Do you mean 4913 the E400, Rat, or 1913 the Scania Omnilink?
Mike K, 1913 the Omnilink.
I doubt it was on a parts run, are BC due to gain any?
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
1913 was in BC this morning.
Do you mean 4913 the E400, Rat, or 1913 the Scania Omnilink?
Mike K, 1913 the Omnilink.
I doubt it was on a parts run, are BC due to gain any?
Interesting. They've borrowed the odd Omnilink from BY in the past but I'm not aware of any others. I wouldn't have thought they are due any but what do I know.
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
1913 was in BC this morning.
Do you mean 4913 the E400, Rat, or 1913 the Scania Omnilink?
Mike K, 1913 the Omnilink.
I doubt it was on a parts run, are BC due to gain any?
Interesting. They've borrowed the odd Omnilink from BY in the past but I'm not aware of any others. I wouldn't have thought they are due any but what do I know.
I hope we do get some different single deckers, makes for interesting viewing when on a rare working.
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
1913 was in BC this morning.
Do you mean 4913 the E400, Rat, or 1913 the Scania Omnilink?
Mike K, 1913 the Omnilink.
I doubt it was on a parts run, are BC due to gain any?
Interesting. They've borrowed the odd Omnilink from BY in the past but I'm not aware of any others. I wouldn't have thought they are due any but what do I know.
I hope we do get some different single deckers, makes for interesting viewing when on a rare working.
BC doesn't have any requirement for any more single deckers unless any new routes are introduced in the future
I am aware Winston. That's why I said 'I hope'. You know, we've spoke about variation.
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
I am aware Winston. That's why I said 'I hope'. You know, we've spoke about variation.
Fair point, I know where you're coming from....
I'd say, if Walsall still has every bus in NX fleet, that'll be the best garage to work for for bus nuts. With the sheer variation of vehicles it must be a joy. All the change I get is 41/43/44/46 Tridents. All the same basically.
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
I'd say, if Walsall still has every bus in NX fleet, that'll be the best garage to work for for bus nuts. With the sheer variation of vehicles it must be a joy. All the change I get is 41/43/44/46 Tridents. All the same basically.
Bordesley must have the least interesting fleet for drivers with wall to wall Omnilinks
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
I'd say, if Walsall still has every bus in NX fleet, that'll be the best garage to work for for bus nuts. With the sheer variation of vehicles it must be a joy. All the change I get is 41/43/44/46 Tridents. All the same basically.
Bordesley must have the least interesting fleet for drivers with wall to wall Omnilinks
Ghastly.
(I'm surprised BY is still an operating garage to be frank, you don't me to state the reasons why)
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 08:41:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
I'd say, if Walsall still has every bus in NX fleet, that'll be the best garage to work for for bus nuts. With the sheer variation of vehicles it must be a joy. All the change I get is 41/43/44/46 Tridents. All the same basically.
Bordesley must have the least interesting fleet for drivers with wall to wall Omnilinks
Ghastly.
What made them change their mind to close Lea Hall instead of Bordesley, which I understood was the original plan?
(I'm surprised BY is still an operating garage to be frank, you don't me to state the reasons why)
I keep messing up the quote thing. Why did they decided to close Lea Hall instead of Bordesley which i thought was the original plan.
I would say the answer is building costs, but now by the sounds of what people are threading they now have badish capacity issues in Birmingham and a old depot they cannot sell.
Indeed!
As I see it they left BY open as it is within the confines of Head Office, so that'll mean moving HQ to another depot? Or are the garage totally separate to HQ building? Ive been there once only in my life of 63 years.
So what routes go from BY? 8A/C, 17 ....
I thought the original plan was to move HQ into the Coach station with Nat Ex Corp and close the whole of Bordesley down. That would have made more sense. Maybe not enough room.
Quote from: John on July 05, 2013, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
So what routes go from BY? 8A/C, 17 ....
and 55/A
And that's it? What's the PVR are these routes, and what garage do these go closest to? I'm guessing BC for the 17/55 but please correct me.
Nice to see BC's oldest and newest on the same route today!
4139 is the oldest and you can guess the newest haha
Bring 4139/4140/4141/4171 back to WA
4171 never left the garage much when it was at walsall did it?
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 11, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
Bring 4139/4140/4141/4171 back to WA
You can have them!!
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As has been confirmed on another thread:
4193 & 4199 have gone to do better things at the Crematorium.
BC short of buses and drivers, again.
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 05, 2013, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: John on July 05, 2013, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 05, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
So what routes go from BY? 8A/C, 17 ....
and 55/A
And that's it? What's the PVR are these routes, and what garage do these go closest to? I'm guessing BC for the 17/55 but please correct me.
I think PVR of both 8A/8C is like 14-16 (seen a running board I believe of 8/16) , 17 is like 8-10 and the 55 idk
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 19, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
BC short of buses and drivers, again.
Doesn't surprise me. They drafting in any drivers or buses from other garages?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 05, 2013, 09:32:21 PM
I thought the original plan was to move HQ into the Coach station with Nat Ex Corp and close the whole of Bordesley down. That would have made more sense. Maybe not enough room.
Several UK Bus Head Office functions are based at the coach station, such as several senior managers & directors, Network Planning, HR & Marketing. Bordesley has the AVL Control Room, Customer Relations, Finance & Payroll (shared) based there.
There has been a rumour circulating for a while that bus may move back to Bordesley, with the Hagley Road functions of coach (Contact Centre) moving into the newly available space at BCS.
Quote from: Ex BC driver on July 19, 2013, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 19, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
BC short of buses and drivers, again.
Doesn't surprise me. They drafting in any drivers or buses from other garages?
I've seen 3 Wolvo drivers at BC, temporarily of course.
No buses have been drafted in as of yet. The issue being they've moved Tridents without waiting for all the E400's to be in service first.
A certain ex-Coventry vehicle won't be going anywhere soon!
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 20, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on July 19, 2013, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 19, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
BC short of buses and drivers, again.
Doesn't surprise me. They drafting in any drivers or buses from other garages?
I've seen 3 Wolvo drivers at BC, temporarily of course.
No buses have been drafted in as of yet. The issue being they've moved Tridents without waiting for all the E400's to be in service first.
Really the Tridents shouldn't have been transferred until the end of the school holidays when the tunnels are reopened.
Then of course, if PE hadn't been so eager to say goodbye to the B6s, then BC could have had the Tridents back until it felt able to release them again.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2013, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 20, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on July 19, 2013, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 19, 2013, 09:02:11 AM
BC short of buses and drivers, again.
Doesn't surprise me. They drafting in any drivers or buses from other garages?
I've seen 3 Wolvo drivers at BC, temporarily of course.
No buses have been drafted in as of yet. The issue being they've moved Tridents without waiting for all the E400's to be in service first.
Really the Tridents shouldn't have been transferred until the end of the school holidays when the tunnels are reopened.
Then of course, if PE hadn't been so eager to say goodbye to the B6s, then BC could have had the Tridents back until it felt able to release them again.
Did seem a bit rushed to me as well
4218 is smashed to fook in the yard.
Anyone interested in the Pershore:
45/51 – Number 1 – Pershore Road – 0347 - 1929
45/52 – Number 2 – Pershore Road – 0417 - 1851
45/53 – Number 3 – Pershore Road – 0444 - 1959
45/54 – Number 4 – Pershore Road – 0447 - 1943
45/55 – Number 5 – Pershore Road – 0455 - 1942
45/56 – Number 6 – Pershore Road – 0517 - 2016
45/57 – Number 7 – Pershore Road – 0527 - 1924
45/58 – Number 8 – Pershore Road – 0531 - 2016
45/59 – Number 9 – Pershore Road – 4Day – 4Day
45/60 – Number 10 – Pershore Road – 4Day - 2442
45/61 – Number 11 – Pershore Road – 4Day – 1939
45/62 – Number 12 – Pershore Road – 0635 – 2423
45/63 – Number 13 – Pershore Road – 0655 – 2434
45/64 – Number 14 – Pershore Road – 0652 – 2506
45/65 – Number 15 – Pershore Road – 0700 – 2034
45/66 – Number 16 – Pershore Road – 0719 – 2453
45/67 – Number 17 – Pershore Road – 4Day – 1853
45/68 – Number 18 – Pershore Road – 1455 – 1910
45/69 – Number 19 – Pershore Road – 1530 – 2427
The above is summer running boards. During the peak week it goes up to 45/77!
Whats happened to 4218?
It's all smashed up on the offside. Under the cab window is caved in, the windscreen is shattered and shifted about 1inch to the left, major damage along the wheelbase, rear quarter damage - smashed inwards, not a pretty sight.
4218 has just turned up at Carlyle Bus & Coach for repair.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on July 23, 2013, 01:04:03 PM
4218 has just turned up at Carlyle Bus & Coach for repair.
Fast mover!!
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 23, 2013, 12:19:02 PM
It's all smashed up on the offside. Under the cab window is caved in, the windscreen is shattered and shifted about 1inch to the left, major damage along the wheelbase, rear quarter damage - smashed inwards, not a pretty sight.
Any idea what it hit? I'm guessing something rather larger than itself?
Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 23, 2013, 10:32:35 AM
4218 is smashed to fook in the yard.
I thought that 4218 would be the one you mentioned yesterday.
Hope everyone involved in the accident is ok
When 4218 complete the repair then I hope straight to Walsall for repaint to NXWM or NXC livery then return to BC or CV garage.
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Quote from: The Retiring Rat on July 23, 2013, 12:19:02 PM
It's all smashed up on the offside. Under the cab window is caved in, the windscreen is shattered and shifted about 1inch to the left, major damage along the wheelbase, rear quarter damage - smashed inwards, not a pretty sight.
Any idea what it hit? I'm guessing something rather larger than itself?
No idea but the gist is it ran a red or something but I don't see it being feasible with the way the company is now.
Oh you can guarantee that 4218 will be returned in NXWM. Look odd as I can't imagine 4218 in anything but TWM. I know its only a fleet number but still..
Keep an eye on the 29A in the coming months...
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Keep an eye on the 29A in the coming months...
Dammit Rat, don't feed us snippets like that! ;) ;)
Ok, so I guess you're not allowed to tell, like nobody's even allowed to tell us about ancient deckers moving between garages until its actually happened anymore. (How is Tridents to PE commercially sensitive?)
So I'm going to take a wild guess. Extended via Northfield to Longbridge to serve Bournville College. Either that or it's being withdrawn.
No, actually make that Rubery Great Park via Northfield and Longbridge (just read your post about the 49).
Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2013, 08:58:30 PM
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Keep an eye on the 29A in the coming months...
Dammit Rat, don't feed us snippets like that! ;) ;)
Ok, so I guess you're not allowed to tell, like nobody's even allowed to tell us about ancient deckers moving between garages until its actually happened anymore. (How is Tridents to PE commercially sensitive?)
So I'm going to take a wild guess. Extended via Northfield to Longbridge to serve Bournville College. Either that or it's being withdrawn.
Oh what the hell I'm gone in a week...
Try the Great Park for size!
Something to do with the x64 and 49 getting changed but remember Mike - this is NX and the chances are it'll be changed again before long haha.
Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2013, 09:02:37 PM
No, actually make that Rubery Great Park via Northfield and Longbridge (just read your post about the 49).
Damn it Mike you beat me!! :P :-[
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Oh what the hell I'm gone in a week...
Try the Great Park for size!
Something to do with the x64 and 49 getting changed but remember Mike - this is NX and the chances are it'll be changed again before long haha.
Gone. In a week. Our last remaining source of insider info gone. :'( :'(
Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
Gone. In a week. Our last remaining source of insider info gone. :'( :'(
Sure there's more on here isn't there?
Quote from: Kevin on July 24, 2013, 07:33:21 AM
Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
Gone. In a week. Our last remaining source of insider info gone. :'( :'(
Sure there's more on here isn't there?
There are but they're not allowed to spill the beans these days, we have to wait until things have actually happened. Fully respect that decision but I used to enjoy getting the insider info before things happened.
Quote from: Mike K on July 24, 2013, 07:43:33 AM
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Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
Gone. In a week. Our last remaining source of insider info gone. :'( :'(
Sure there's more on here isn't there?
There are but they're not allowed to spill the beans these days, we have to wait until things have actually happened. Fully respect that decision but I used to enjoy getting the insider info before things happened.
I've never understood that. Who cares? Its a forum for open discussion - If I get told information I will spread it. Unless its told in strictest confidence... but even then. Quite 'Frankley' - I don't give two wags of a monkeys' .
4218 was smashed up by a speeding bin lorry of which jumped a red light.
It seems Rat has left us again. I know you're retiring soon Rat but surely not from this forum :'( :'(
Quote from: Mike K on July 24, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
It seems Rat has left us again. I know you're retiring soon Rat but surely not from this forum :'( :'(
He lives again... this time in his latest reincarnation - Liverpool Street
Quote from: YW4355 on July 30, 2013, 02:06:35 AM
Quote from: Mike K on July 24, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
It seems Rat has left us again. I know you're retiring soon Rat but surely not from this forum :'( :'(
He lives again... this time in his latest reincarnation - Liverpool Street
What's your beef, stranger? In fact, PM me.
Tool.
I have no beef, in fact I'm vegetarian. Just fed up with the lies... are you still 63 this week? I sure smell a rat.
Are 4908 and 4911 in Service yet from Birmingham Central? Any sign of 4914 onwards at Perry Barr?
Quote from: PaddyGraham on July 30, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
Are 4908 and 4911 in Service yet from Birmingham Central? Any sign of 4914 onwards at Perry Barr?
4914 won't be here for a bit now as its part of the £81 million investment late this year/early next year
Are all BC enviro400's now in service ?
4910 declared a failure at hay mills on 23.30 900 due to door problems, 4901 sent from Bc, depart hay mills 00.06. John
Quote from: 37351ml on August 01, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
4910 declared a failure at hay mills on 23.30 900 due to door problems, 4901 sent from Bc, depart hay mills 00.06. John
Just declare them all a failure and bring back the Tridents ;D
It was me who bought 4901 ;D
4910 only had 725 miles, first time I have drove a bus with only 3 figures on the mileometer
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 01, 2013, 01:30:13 AM
4910 only had 725 miles, first time I have drove a bus with only 3 figures on the mileometer
Did you like it?
It was nice to drive, but it was a bit sluggish at pulling away which you wouldnt expect from a new bus.
Quote from: 37351ml on August 01, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
4910 declared a failure at hay mills on 23.30 900 due to door problems, 4901 sent from Bc, depart hay mills 00.06. John
4910 was back out today it was on the 900E :)
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 01, 2013, 01:44:18 AM
It was nice to drive, but it was a bit sluggish at pulling away which you wouldnt expect from a new bus.
NX may have had the engine management systems set like that to prevent hard acceleration & ultimately conserve fuel
New buses and coaches often feel sluggish and un responsive to begin with. A few hours work and a few miles and things fall into place. The Van Hool 917 i drive was a pig of a coach to begin with but quickly settled down and is now a pleasure to drive.
Quote from: Winston on August 01, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 01, 2013, 01:44:18 AM
It was nice to drive, but it was a bit sluggish at pulling away which you wouldnt expect from a new bus.
NX may have had the engine management systems set like that to prevent hard acceleration & ultimately conserve fuel
I was thinking that too, but there are times when you need a bit of speed to pull away at busy islands etc
I often wonder whether NXWM use different maps on their buses, after having my diesel car remapped it is a complete different car, drive it sensibly though and MPG is actually better than standard
Go one better and bring back Timesaver Metrobuses
Nice to see neigh on all 46's back on the Pershore/Bristol Road.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
Nice to see neigh on all 46's back on the Pershore/Bristol Road.
4613 (i think) made it onto the 900 today. Are all the E400's in service at BC now? First time i see a BC E400 and its on the 24
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:00:52 PM
4613 (i think) made it onto the 900 today. Are all the E400's in service at BC now? First time i see a BC E400 and its on the 24
I believe it's now usual to see E400 on the 24 because it was operating since Monday and yesterday 24 operated 3 E400's
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:00:52 PM
Are all the E400's in service at BC now? First time i see a BC E400 and its on the 24
Yes they are Nathan
A fair number seem to be sneaking onto the 24 lately
Quote from: John on August 02, 2013, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:00:52 PM
Are all the E400's in service at BC now? First time i see a BC E400 and its on the 24
Yes they are Nathan
A fair number seem to be sneaking onto the 24 lately
Thanks for the info John :) 4613 was on the 900 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:00:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
Nice to see neigh on all 46's back on the Pershore/Bristol Road.
4613 (i think) made it onto the 900 today. Are all the E400's in service at BC now? First time i see a BC E400 and its on the 24
It was 4912 we saw on the 24 wasn't it?
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
Thanks LS :) You can tell i am a WN guy ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
Thanks LS :) You can tell i am a WN guy ;)
Haha, fair enough 4609, I'm still trying to work out the wolvo 59 route haha
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
Thanks LS :) You can tell i am a WN guy ;)
Haha, fair enough 4609, I'm still trying to work out the wolvo 59 route haha
Just call me Nathan ;) All of your 4163-79 were once at WN used for the 559 (Now 59) same with 4316/8.
The 59 is in reality just a normal route that terminates at Ashmore Park
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
It certainly does impress me LS. Hybrids on the 22/23, new B7RLEs on the 29, new E200s on the 99, and now new E400s on the 24 - we've never had it so good. Mind you Harborne did have to put up with shit buses for years.
Mike Yarlwood - LOL, I like it ;D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
Thanks LS :) You can tell i am a WN guy ;)
Haha, fair enough 4609, I'm still trying to work out the wolvo 59 route haha
Just call me Nathan ;) All of your 4163-79 were once at WN used for the 559 (Now 59) same with 4316/8.
The 59 is in reality just a normal route that terminates at Ashmore Park
Indeed Nathan. Just a bit confusing with the way its timetable is structured.
I've given up trying to remember the history of the 41's, all I care about is the early 44's and 46's. BC royality after the later 43's got stolen by YW.
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:11:12 PM
I've explained this once already.
Surplus E400's to go on 24. And remember its not always possible to allocate 100% E400 to 900 boards due to position of where vehicles are parked in the garage and service out times.
But any spare E400's will be on the 24. Its the done thing now.
It'll impress Mike Yarlwood as he's often annoyed with the sheer volume of 41's on the 24. However, I think its unfair as Harborne has had an incredible amount spent on that corridor as it is, let alone letting more new buses in on the act.
It certainly does impress me LS. Hybrids on the 22/23, new B7RLEs on the 24, new E200s on the 99, and now new E400s on the 24 - we've never had it so good. Mind you Harborne did have to put up with shit buses for years.
Mike Yarlwood - LOL, I like it ;D
Haha, nice to hear from you again Mike! But it still would be nice to see a Spectra on the 22/23/103, for old time sake ;)
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
WN most likely messed it up ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
Trust me i know when a spectra is good or bad ;)
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
WN most likely messed it up ;)
Sorry Matt but why do you always say WN "mess up buses"? PE' s maintenance team aren't much better are they?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
WN most likely messed it up ;)
Sorry Matt but why do you always say WN "mess up buses"? PE' s maintenance team aren't much better are they?
Chill!!
It was clearly ment as a joke.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 02, 2013, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:54:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
Too right it would. I lived on the 50 route near Kings Heath when Spectras were the allocation, then they followed me to Harborne. Was gutted when they left for Wolverhampton.
And now have them on the 59 Monday-Saturday( They never ever leave the garage on Sundays) My favourite Spectras are 4001/2 and 4019 (Sounds alot like a Metrobus). The worst has to be 4003 (A driver at WN agrees with me) as it is very slow and is usually the one on the 59 that breaks down
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
WN most likely messed it up ;)
Sorry Matt but why do you always say WN "mess up buses"? PE' s maintenance team aren't much better are they?
I dare say PN's engineers do a much better job than the impression I get of WN's ones. PN keep making buses faster and better (look at 581, 4806 and 4807 for example) whereas a lot of WN's Mercs are slow and tatty, Tridents seem to get clapped out more than other garages which have Tridents, plus look at 4384, was fine at YW before it went to WN.
LS, Me and Matt had this conversation the other day and he isn't joking. Sorry he can't really slate WN if he doesn't have a clue about WN's maintenance team.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:04:33 AM
LS, Me and Matt had this conversation the other day and he isn't joking. Sorry he can't really slate WN if he doesn't have a clue about WN's maintenance team.
Trust me, I know someone who used to work at WN and half the engineers there are useless.
But do WN's buses catch fire?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:06:04 AM
But do WN's buses catch fire?
No because most of them are too underpowered to need to worry about catching fire!
Don't worry about it!! Back on topic please lads.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:04:33 AM
LS, Me and Matt had this conversation the other day and he isn't joking. Sorry he can't really slate WN if he doesn't have a clue about WN's maintenance team.
Trust me, I know someone who used to work at WN and half the engineers there are useless.
Yeah used to ages ago! Tbh i don't know why i am arguing with you! Well if WN's maintenance team are crap why are we only one of two garages at NXWM with hybrids? Plus how would you know what 4384 was like at YW before it moved to WN as you never even rode it at YW (And don't say because someone told you)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 12:08:44 AM
Don't worry about it!! Back on topic please lads.
I don't wantto argue! Me and Matt are actually supposed to be friends
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:11:16 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:04:33 AM
LS, Me and Matt had this conversation the other day and he isn't joking. Sorry he can't really slate WN if he doesn't have a clue about WN's maintenance team.
Trust me, I know someone who used to work at WN and half the engineers there are useless.
Yeah used to ages ago! Tbh i don't know why i am arguing with you! Well if WN's maintenance team are crap why are we only one of two garages at NXWM with hybrids? Plus how would you know what 4384 was like at YW before it moved to WN as you never even rode it at YW (And don't say because someone told you)
Because someone told me. Someone who knows a fair bit about YW buses. Plus look how many Tridents which have been at WN all their life have become all clapped out - 4554, 4571, 4594, 4603, probably more which I can't remember. Yet the 44** and 46** Tridents at BC don't really seem to be that clapped out at all - Liverpool Street?
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:04:33 AM
LS, Me and Matt had this conversation the other day and he isn't joking. Sorry he can't really slate WN if he doesn't have a clue about WN's maintenance team.
Trust me, I know someone who used to work at WN and half the engineers there are useless.
Yeah used to ages ago! Tbh i don't know why i am arguing with you! Well if WN's maintenance team are crap why are we only one of two garages at NXWM with hybrids? Plus how would you know what 4384 was like at YW before it moved to WN as you never even rode it at YW (And don't say because someone told you)
Because someone told me. Someone who knows a fair bit about YW buses. Plus look how many Tridents which have been at WN all their life have become all clapped out - 4554, 4571, 4594, 4603, probably more which I can't remember. Yet the 44** and 46** Tridents at BC don't really seem to be that clapped out at all - Liverpool Street?
Nope. None 44 or 46 at BC are rough. The LH 44's are slightly shoddy though.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Why don't you just leave me alone matt. :'(
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:35:32 AM
Why don't you just leave me alone matt. :'(
Don't take it personally, I was talking about a bus garage! Not you...
So yeah, Birmingham Central...
You'd think these wretched buses were actually in relationships with some of the posters on here the way they talk.
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
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Was it, what was so good about it, just out of curiosity?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
Quote from: YW4355 on August 03, 2013, 02:27:47 PM
4003 was one of the best when at BC. Just you WN folk don't know what a good Spectra is lol
Was it, what was so good about it, just out of curiosity?
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Was fairly quick, better brakes (but could've been after a V.I.) , light steering from what I remember. No one dreaded 4003.
Don't matter now I don't work anymore.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
I could ask you the same thing.
Just the impression I get and have heard.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
I could ask you the same thing.
Just the impression I get and have heard.
Matt,
In case you hadn't already figured it out, I think you'll find that BN is WN garages engineering manager, hence his reply
Quote from: Winston on August 03, 2013, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
I could ask you the same thing.
Just the impression I get and have heard.
Matt,
In case you hadn't already figured it out, I think you'll find that BN is WN garages engineering manager, hence his reply
Pwned.
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 03, 2013, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
I could ask you the same thing.
Just the impression I get and have heard.
Matt,
In case you hadn't already figured it out, I think you'll find that BN is WN garages engineering manager, hence his reply
Pwned.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Not all 41's are bad, Tony. You can't paint all Tridents with the same brush
Majority of early Tridents are very poor. Not only that the retarder on some of them are so weak you've cooked the brakes by the middle of the journey. (Ever wondered why the brake pedal goes down further and further during the duty.. don't get that with a ZF box with 95% retarder efficiency)
Got no intentions of driving another bus anyway. ;D
Saw quite a few BX54 and BV52 tridents with only a couple of branded ones on the 97 today while in Moor Street.Tbh i've never seen many of the 4610-34 batch operate the 97 whenever i visit Birmingham
Quote from: Winston on August 03, 2013, 07:19:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 03, 2013, 12:22:53 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 AM
4541/4560/61/4609? Are they clapped out?
I said some of them, not all of them ::)
Best you stick to PN buses in the future as you seem to think you know more than me about WN which you clearly don't !
I think I know enough about it to know when a garage is making buses worse. Now back to Birmingham Central please.
Hi Matt, whereabouts do you work at the company and what position do you hold?
Perhaps you could go down to WN and meet some of the engineering team and let them know your comments on here?
I could ask you the same thing.
Just the impression I get and have heard.
Matt,
In case you hadn't already figured it out, I think you'll find that BN is WN garages engineering manager, hence his reply
No sorry I am not.
Fair enough BN, got my wires crossed.... ;)
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
I have watched that video, how times have changed, the estates weren't so congested back then I suppose. Ill admit the 14 was one of the first Birmingham routes I sampled when I became more adventurous. Initially I wouldnt have been able to tell what was a good or bad route, I think my downer on some of the Chelsmley Wood routes came from views on the forum but as is always the case anywhere, its only a minority that lower the tone of any route but thats another story
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
4433 was on the 900 yesterday and tbh it was alright, a diversion and half though after leaving the airport to get on to the city bound A45 but it looked quite smart.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
No, goes against the grain as a Revenue Inspector to give people free rides. Have you got a job in the Granny taxi service yet?
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
No, goes against the grain as a Revenue Inspector to give people free rides. Have you got a job in the Granny taxi service yet?
No thanks haha
And were you in Revenue uniform, just out of curiosity?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
No, goes against the grain as a Revenue Inspector to give people free rides. Have you got a job in the Granny taxi service yet?
No thanks haha
And were you in Revenue uniform, just out of curiosity?
I was just driving in my Inspector's white shirt. I was told you were thinking of going to Ring & Ride
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
No, goes against the grain as a Revenue Inspector to give people free rides. Have you got a job in the Granny taxi service yet?
No thanks haha
And were you in Revenue uniform, just out of curiosity?
I was just driving in my Inspector's white shirt. I was told you were thinking of going to Ring & Ride
I guess the occupational hazard on Ring and Ride, rather than a mouthful of gob, is someone dribbling all over you?
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Nicely said. The mentioned Tridents aren't clapped out, they just sound different which isnt a bad thing.
As for 4151 Tony, its not one I would complain about, I take it you liked the bus but the route not as much?
Volunteering for driving up and down Alum Rock Road on the last weekend of Ramadam might not have been the best idea, but otherwise I like the 14 driven on it on and off for 25 years, there is that video on my you tube of it taken in about 1987, and the passengers are no-where near as bad as some on here make out, I got a lot of thank yous from people getting off
Well yes because I bet you gave them a free ride with there 'yearly savers'. Or bimonthly passes.. all I used to get on that road was a mouthful of gob up the assault screen.
No, goes against the grain as a Revenue Inspector to give people free rides. Have you got a job in the Granny taxi service yet?
No thanks haha
And were you in Revenue uniform, just out of curiosity?
I was just driving in my Inspector's white shirt. I was told you were thinking of going to Ring & Ride
I'll probably do anything in months to come, but now I'm done with NX I'm going to France with the wife for a 2weeks.
Who tells you this false information?. I most likely won't, anyway.
Enjoy your holiday :)
That spit kit will come in handy if you did go to Ring and Ride :P
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Son of a b**** i think you drove my bus back from Chelmsley Wood about half 8. I remember telling me girlfriend at the time "I think I recognise that driver, but it can't be him cause he wouldn't be driving a BC bus"
.... dammit
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Son of a b**** i think you drove my bus back from Chelmsley Wood about half 8. I remember telling me girlfriend at the time "I think I recognise that driver, but it can't be him cause he wouldn't be driving a BC bus"
.... dammit
I did the 20:25 from Chelmsley Wood back to City
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Son of a b**** i think you drove my bus back from Chelmsley Wood about half 8. I remember telling me girlfriend at the time "I think I recognise that driver, but it can't be him cause he wouldn't be driving a BC bus"
.... dammit
I did the 20:25 from Chelmsley Wood back to City
Probably was that one. Ah well
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
Shame London Midland are so shit and cannot be bothered to run any trains to get me home. Don't expect any website updates tonight, currently on the stopper to Walsall with the promise of a replacement bus
Son of a b**** i think you drove my bus back from Chelmsley Wood about half 8. I remember telling me girlfriend at the time "I think I recognise that driver, but it can't be him cause he wouldn't be driving a BC bus"
.... dammit
I did the 20:25 from Chelmsley Wood back to City
Probably was that one. Ah well
On the plus side, think of the spotter points
Is the 98 still being converted to dd operation? If so where will the spare B7RLE's go?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 11:55:36 PM
Is the 98 still being converted to dd operation? If so where will the spare B7RLE's go?
They could put them on the 59/90 :) but I don't think that will happen
Quote from: Rob2832 on August 06, 2013, 06:40:28 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 11:55:36 PM
Is the 98 still being converted to dd operation? If so where will the spare B7RLE's go?
They could put them on the 59/90 :) but I don't think that will happen
I could see them on the 59. They couldn't handle passenger loads on the 90
Where did this rumour of the 98 becoming double deck come from?
The B7RLEs always seem to cope quite adequately, and personally I don't think they need double deckers. And there are dont seem to be any BC routes that the B7RLEs could go onto on a full time basis.
Quote from: Gareth on August 06, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
Where did this rumour of the 98 becoming double deck come from?
The B7RLEs always seem to cope quite adequately, and personally I don't think they need double deckers. And there are dont seem to be any BC routes that the B7RLEs could go onto on a full time basis.
Gareth, The Rat - In the South West Birmingham Review thread
Quote from: Gareth on August 06, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
Where did this rumour of the 98 becoming double deck come from?
The B7RLEs always seem to cope quite adequately, and personally I don't think they need double deckers. And there are dont seem to be any BC routes that the B7RLEs could go onto on a full time basis.
The rat said on here some time ago that the 98 was turning to double deck operation
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
I've just finished my first driving duty at BC for two years, didn't take the easy option of a new bus on the 900, but took a duty on the 14 with 4151, not sure why you BC drivers moan about the 41xx, 4151 is a lovely bus, superb brakes, only fault is it is a bit slow pulling away on a hill.
I'm a BC driver and I'd much rather have a 41XX than any other bus at our garage.
2142 has had the bit under the destination display where the fleet number is, painted red, instead of black, makes it look quite distinctive. John
Quote from: 37351ml on August 08, 2013, 07:27:21 AM
2142 has had the bit under the destination display where the fleet number is, painted red, instead of black, makes it look quite distinctive. John
Already mentioned on the forum some weeks back
If the B7RLEs cant go on any other BC route they could just transfer to another garage
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 08, 2013, 08:31:50 AM
If the B7RLEs cant go on any other BC route they could just transfer to another garage
Send them to AG and send the OmniLinks to WA to withdraw B10L?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on August 08, 2013, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 08, 2013, 08:31:50 AM
If the B7RLEs cant go on any other BC route they could just transfer to another garage
Send them to AG and send the OmniLinks to WA to withdraw B10L?
Don't forget YW's B10L still need replacing
Some would say that the YW B10L's are higher withdrawal priority being based in Birmingham, id like to say, keep your mitts off them mr scrapman
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 08, 2013, 10:18:16 AM
Some would say that the YW B10L's are higher withdrawal priority being based in Birmingham, id like to say, keep your mitts off them mr scrapman
Some could argue that, but as the 27 doesn't enter the City Centre its not a major issue. That said, if it was me I would remove the 9 remaining B10L at YW with any Omnilinks that become available for transfer as it would reduce a bus type from YW / number of spares that need to be held etc
Yes, I'm fond on the B10L myself, I hope someone preserve's one in the original TWM low floor livery or Line 33 livery
Once ive got the last three )1 ones i need for haulage and the full set for piccys, then they can go if they have to even though it will happen anyway just later rather than sooner. Would be nice to have one or two TWM ones preserved, a ZF one and a Voith one
A mate told me 4631 had severely major front n/s damage.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 10, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
A mate told me 4631 had severely major front n/s damage.
Is 4631 in TWM or NXWM livery?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 10, 2013, 12:41:19 PM
Is 4631 in TWM or NXWM livery?
NXWM with connection grey line on the side
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 10, 2013, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 10, 2013, 12:41:19 PM
Is 4631 in TWM or NXWM livery?
NXWM with connection grey line on the side
Thanks for that :) Will probably have a repaint/refurb after repairs
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 10, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
A mate told me 4631 had severely major front n/s damage.
Another accident, what is going on out there at the moment!
4631 has arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach this morning.
Once again, only saw two 24s this evening and both were B7RLEs. Would I be right in thinking the 24 becomes fully B7RLE-operated in the evening? Why is this?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
Once again, only saw two 24s this evening and both were B7RLEs. Would I be right in thinking the 24 becomes fully B7RLE-operated in the evening? Why is this?
Maybe the evening loadings don't warrant a Trident. I've never seen an evening 24 so only a guess!!
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:00:49 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
Once again, only saw two 24s this evening and both were B7RLEs. Would I be right in thinking the 24 becomes fully B7RLE-operated in the evening? Why is this?
Maybe the evening loadings don't warrant a Trident. I've never seen an evening 24 so only a guess!!
The route might have problems with pasengers anti Social Behavior as why the 451 (5) is always single deck Evenings
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 13, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
The route might have problems with pasengers anti Social Behavior as why the 451 (5) is always single deck Evenings
451 is small buses during the evening to reflect loadings and save fuel.
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 08:00:49 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 13, 2013, 12:47:40 AM
Once again, only saw two 24s this evening and both were B7RLEs. Would I be right in thinking the 24 becomes fully B7RLE-operated in the evening? Why is this?
Maybe the evening loadings don't warrant a Trident. I've never seen an evening 24 so only a guess!!
The 24 only requires 3 buses in the evening so it sounds like it is being operated 100% with B7RLEs at night. On holiday at the moment so can't verify.
This sort of thing was common for a time when Quinton garage had 20 Leyland Lynxs delivered new. The 22, 23 and 24 (in those days the 3 then 103) along with the 21 and 29 switched largely over to single deck operation in the evenings, some of the buses having been on the 10/20 and 19 during the day.
Maybe BC are doing the same as AG have done with the 31A service; double-decks during the day, then switches to singles (off the 37) in the evening. Passenger loadings are lighter and the newer single decks are more fuel efficient, thus saving some money, rather than having half-empty double-decks guzzling diesel.
Its the staff buses to of a morning they use I think.
BC have started to remove the TWM Logo's off their TWM Liveried Tridents and putting NXWM Logos on and I'd say the Tridents in TWM Livery look good with NXWM Logo's on :)
4626 has had its logos changed, 4316 as well i think
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 15, 2013, 08:38:28 PM
4626 has had its logos changed, 4316 as well i think
Most if not all BC tridents have had the logos changed to the White NXWM logos
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 15, 2013, 08:38:28 PM
4626 has had its logos changed, 4316 as well i think
I can number a few I've seen that have recieved the NXWM Logo :)
4153/4161/4170/4316/4325/4327/4611/4612/4614/4618/4625/4629
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 15, 2013, 08:38:28 PM
4626 has had its logos changed, 4316 as well i think
That was the one I was trying to remember. I saw 4316 on Tuesday with the NX logos.
Yes thats probably happened, i can only post what i know
Noticed today, all BC buses displaying Sorry Not In Service, had a small number 14 in the bottom right hand corner of the screens, it was also the same on Dot Matrix's. Is there any reason for this or is it just a programming fluke?
Quote from: trident4370 on August 30, 2013, 06:51:27 PM
Noticed today, all BC buses displaying Sorry Not In Service, had a small number 14 in the bottom right hand corner of the screens, it was also the same on Dot Matrix's. Is there any reason for this or is it just a programming fluke?
Version 14 upgrade.
anyone seen 804 lately ?, havent seen it for a while ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:32 PM
anyone seen 804 lately ?, havent seen it for a while ?
Try the 99!
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:32 PM
anyone seen 804 lately ?, havent seen it for a while ?
Try the 99!
That's probally the reason I haven't seen it ::)
Yep, it was on the 99 today. And yesterday. Most likely tomorrow too.
Quote from: Mike K on September 03, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:32 PM
anyone seen 804 lately ?, havent seen it for a while ?
Try the 99!
That's probally the reason I haven't seen it ::)
Yep, it was on the 99 today. And yesterday. Most likely tomorrow too.
And most likely every day until it's debranded from the 99...
4177 aka Julie broken down in theHarborne high street
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 04, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
4177 aka Julie broken down in theHarborne high street
What time was this? I was in Harborne around 12pm
Assume it was on the 24?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 03, 2013, 11:32:26 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 03, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:32 PM
anyone seen 804 lately ?, havent seen it for a while ?
Try the 99!
That's probally the reason I haven't seen it ::)
Yep, it was on the 99 today. And yesterday. Most likely tomorrow too.
And most likely every day until it's debranded from the 99...
::) I never would have thought to look on the 99, thanks everyone ::)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 04, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
4177 aka Julie broken down in theHarborne high street
What time was this? I was in Harborne around 12pm
Assume it was on the 24?
Yes Matt, 1145 on the 24 into Town.
Seen 804 today, you'll never guess which route it was on Nathan ;)
I passed 4177 in service on my first trip so not too much wrong with it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Seen 804 today, you'll never guess which route it was on Nathan ;)
;D not a clue, surprise me ;) ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 04, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Seen 804 today, you'll never guess which route it was on Nathan ;)
;D not a clue, surprise me ;) ;D
Put it this way, a flake costs the same ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 04, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 06:22:51 PM
Seen 804 today, you'll never guess which route it was on Nathan ;)
;D not a clue, surprise me ;) ;D
Put it this way, a flake costs the same ;)
;D well ;D what a surprise it turned up on the 99 again :o, hopefully it will be on the 99 tomorrow too :D
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
I passed 4177 in service on my first trip so not too much wrong with it
seen this at five ways at around 2:00PM
Quote from: dgss1 on September 04, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
I passed 4177 in service on my first trip so not too much wrong with it
seen this at five ways at around 2:00PM
Weird, passed in Harbourne High St at 11:45 & had no passengers on and driver had bonnet door open?
Maybe needed a drink????
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 04, 2013, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on September 04, 2013, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2013, 06:24:37 PM
I passed 4177 in service on my first trip so not too much wrong with it
seen this at five ways at around 2:00PM
Weird, passed in Harbourne High St at 11:45 & had no passengers on and driver had bonnet door open?
Maybe needed a drink????
The bus or driver? ;D
Have to say, I used the 98 twice yesterday and both times it was heaving. Moreso on the journey I took towards Northfield than the one back, but I didn't realise it was that well used. Which has made me reevaluate my opinion on putting doubles on there. Maybe a few in the morning and rush hour peaks would be very welcome, as by the time we got to the QE yesterday there was no room for any more passengers! :P
I rode the 24 for the 8th time today and STILL have never got a Trident on it :') I've had 4 B7RLE's, 2 E400H's, an Enviro400 and a B5.
Forgot to mention, but 4153 was involved in an accident a couple of weeks back where a car pulled out and hit the front n/s of the bus.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 08, 2013, 01:36:45 PM
Forgot to mention, but 4153 was involved in an accident a couple of weeks back where a car pulled out and hit the front n/s of the bus.
Much damage?
I didnt really get to see, lets just say the Toyota Yaris was a write off and its 2 airbags had released :D
Well that is a bit of positive news 8)
I expect Small Heath? The Rock? Bordesley?
Haha was it the Toyota Yaris bit that made you think that? It was on McDonald St, the bus was running back to garage.
I did a duty on the 14 once, as I went through Alum Rock I thought it was the annual get together of the Nissan Micra Owners Club ;D
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 08, 2013, 01:52:44 PM
Haha was it the Toyota Yaris bit that made you think that? It was on McDonald St, the bus was running back to garage.
I did a duty on the 14 once, as I went through Alum Rock I thought it was the annual get together of the Nissan Micra Owners Club ;D
Haha you bet it was lmao!
Oh they use Nissan Micras as all sorts of vehicles, people carriers, ambulances, delivery lorries...
Has 4624 gained a front LED display, or is there nothing on the dot matrix display in Tony's latest picture
Quote from: John on September 08, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
Has 4624 gained a front LED display, or is there nothing on the dot matrix display in Tony's latest picture
Not sure, havnt drove that one for a while, but it is possible to blank the display.
Quote from: John on September 08, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
Has 4624 gained a front LED display, or is there nothing on the dot matrix display in Tony's latest picture
Probably switched off (Engine and the Dot Matrix Display) at the terminus
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
4903 on the 23 this morning
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
I take it these are left un-branded, along with 4903, 4906 and 4908.
4909 is the first 957 branded Enviro400 I have seen, so is 4902 the last 900 branded bus, or is 4903 also branded? :)
To my knowledge 4903-4908 are unbranded :)
I saw what i think was 4913 yesterday morning with 957 branding
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 09, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
I saw what i think was 4913 yesterday morning with 957 branding
Yes 4909 - 4913 are all 957 branded Ashley :)
4903 was on the 23 monday
I've got 4163 today. What a superb bus. Drives like a brand new one. Only let down is the really rattling body work.
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 06:21:23 PM
I've got 4163 today. What a superb bus. Drives like a brand new one. Only let down is the really rattling body work.
What's the brake pedal feedback like?
Quote from: John on September 08, 2013, 05:30:30 PM
Has 4624 gained a front LED display, or is there nothing on the dot matrix display in Tony's latest picture
To answer my own question, no!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 06:21:23 PM
I've got 4163 today. What a superb bus. Drives like a brand new one. Only let down is the really rattling body work.
What's the brake pedal feedback like?
It's quite stiff but brakes are excellent once you realise you have to press hard. Really smooth stops with no jerking
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 06:21:23 PM
I've got 4163 today. What a superb bus. Drives like a brand new one. Only let down is the really rattling body work.
What's the brake pedal feedback like?
It's quite stiff but brakes are excellent once you realise you have to press hard. Really smooth stops with no jerking
Regarding jerking when braking, I found out it was down to the gearbox engaging 'neutral' too soon and then the diff distributes the power unevenly thus making the gear box change 'up' into 1st making the driver press the brake even harder to make the vehicle stationary. And would you believe it can be remedied by a ECU software update?
I'd be sure to try and travel on 4163 after your review, Tony.
Also, if you remember, was it happy to sit at 30mph without constantly changing gears? Its the one memory in had of early Tridents, its as if the retarder was constantly being applied - even when on the gas.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 07:09:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2013, 06:21:23 PM
I've got 4163 today. What a superb bus. Drives like a brand new one. Only let down is the really rattling body work.
What's the brake pedal feedback like?
It's quite stiff but brakes are excellent once you realise you have to press hard. Really smooth stops with no jerking
Regarding jerking when braking, I found out it was down to the gearbox engaging 'neutral' too soon and then the diff distributes the power unevenly thus making the gear box change 'up' into 1st making the driver press the brake even harder to make the vehicle stationary. And would you believe it can be remedied by a ECU software update?
I'd be sure to try and travel on 4163 after your review, Tony.
Also, if you remember, was it happy to sit at 30mph without constantly changing gears? Its the one memory in had of early Tridents, its as if the retarder was constantly being applied - even when on the gas.
It had absolutely none of the usual trident 'problems'.
No gears slipping when pulling away
No annoying up/down changes when sitting at a set speed.
No jerk when changing down when braking
Loads of power, was soon back up to 30mph when pulling away from stops.
I have done 3 complete trips and a Stechford dodger in it and never been more than 1 minute late at any point from 13:31 until 20:08. I overtook 4432 the bus in front on two different trips with a different driver both times.
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Think I have 4431 this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Think I have 4431 this afternoon
Oh right, have you not been out yet today? As I'm sure I saw you with 4171 heading into Brum about an hour ago
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Think I have 4431 this afternoon
Oh right, have you not been out yet today? As I'm sure I saw you with 4171 heading into Brum about an hour ago
You did. One trip on 4426, one on 4171, now two more to do
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Think I have 4431 this afternoon
Oh right, have you not been out yet today? As I'm sure I saw you with 4171 heading into Brum about an hour ago
You did. One trip on 4426, one on 4171, now two more to do
Thought so! I waited in Chelmsley for 4171 to come back, it came back and you didn't! Not sure about the Alum rock section, its just one big car park, but Chelmsley seems a good terminus to me, plenty of space, toilets, McDonald's, KFC, Subway etc... everything a driver needs.
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
Having said that, shame they don't give enough time from High Street to Belgrave/Mowbray Street. [Sp]
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 02:36:43 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 11, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
Was it the 14's your on today Tony? going to have a run out to Chelmsley Wood today to distract from work! I'll see if I spot you
Think I have 4431 this afternoon
Oh right, have you not been out yet today? As I'm sure I saw you with 4171 heading into Brum about an hour ago
You did. One trip on 4426, one on 4171, now two more to do
Thought so! I waited in Chelmsley for 4171 to come back, it came back and you didn't! Not sure about the Alum rock section, its just one big car park, but Chelmsley seems a good terminus to me, plenty of space, toilets, McDonald's, KFC, Subway etc... everything a driver needs.
Ended up with 4154 for the last 2 trips.
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
I would've thought the 22 would be the easiest route
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 11, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
I would've thought the 22 would be the easiest route
Well if were honest its the 60. Easier around town then the Harborne equivalent. And no 'loop' termini either.
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
Has 4897 been named?
Quote from: settlerman on September 11, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
Has 4897 been named?
4897 had been named Orla
Quote from: John on September 11, 2013, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: settlerman on September 11, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
Has 4897 been named?
4897 had been named Orla
Orla? What kind of a name is that?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 11, 2013, 06:32:33 PM
Orla? What kind of a name is that?
I thought exactly the same Matt! :)
Quote from: John on September 11, 2013, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: settlerman on September 11, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 09, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
4904/4905/4907 have been named the names are below
4904 - Ruby
4905 - Tiah-Joy
4907 - Sophie
Has 4897 been named?
4897 had been named Orla
Thanks for the fast reply. Can I push my luck and ask if you know if 4903 is named.
Quote from: settlerman on September 11, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
Thanks for the fast reply. Can I push my luck and ask if you know if 4903 is named.
You're in Luck! :) Photographed it yesterday, named
Lina
Quote from: John on September 11, 2013, 06:55:11 PM
Quote from: settlerman on September 11, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
Thanks for the fast reply. Can I push my luck and ask if you know if 4903 is named.
You're in Luck! :) Photographed it yesterday, named Lina
Many thanks again.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 11, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
I would've thought the 22 would be the easiest route
The 24 would be the shortest although there's not much in it. No idea what would be the easiest, depends on what you define as 'easy' in bus driving terms.
The old number 10 (RIP) always struck me as one that would be one of the more pleasant routes to drive.
Ex BC Driver, I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but are you / will you continue bus driving with another company?
Quote from: Mike K on September 11, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 11, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
I would've thought the 22 would be the easiest route
The 24 would be the shortest although there's not much in it. No idea what would be the easiest, depends on what you define as 'easy' in bus driving terms.
The old number 10 (RIP) always struck me as one that would be one of the more pleasant routes to drive.
Ex BC Driver, I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but are you / will you continue bus driving with another company?
Diamond have vacancies at redditch and kidderminster depots if its any help...
Quote from: Mike K on September 11, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 11, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 11, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2013, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 10, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
So drivers are making a mountain out of a molehill with those 41 hundreds then. (In will admit I did my fair share of moaning)
And it is impressive to see that it is possible to stay on time - providing you have a decent bus.
P.s. it was a large portion, that one. Decent balancing time?
4175 I had on Monday on the 90 was a complete heap, so i can see why they get moaned about. That was the complete duty, not just a portion. I had 24 minutes at Pine Square on one trip and a total of over an hour layover time to make the duty legal. Nice turn actually.
I have taken a duty on 900 and 957 on Friday, so that will be 10 of the 19 main routes at BC driven this month, just the 24, 29, 45, 47, 58, 59, 98 & 99 to do. (along with silly bits like the 56 etc)
Drivers used to say to me when I first started that the 24 was the easiest and shortest route at BC. I only learned the 24, 29/A, 45, 47, 61, 63. The last time I drove on the Pershore Road was on the 47, didn't realise they gave so much time from Upper Dean Street to High Street/Carrs Lane. That was also the last time I ever drove at BC as I was suspended when coming off at Upper Dean Street
I would've thought the 22 would be the easiest route
The 24 would be the shortest although there's not much in it. No idea what would be the easiest, depends on what you define as 'easy' in bus driving terms.
The old number 10 (RIP) always struck me as one that would be one of the more pleasant routes to drive.
Ex BC Driver, I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but are you / will you continue bus driving with another company?
I've been in my new job for six weeks now
Enviro 400 - Names & Branding
4895 - Annie - 900
4896 - Gabriella - 900
4897 - Orla - 900
4898 - Dulcie - 900
4899 - Molly - 900
4900 - Jennifer - 900
4901 - Chloe - 900
4902 - Grace - 900
4903 - Lina - Unbranded
4904 - Ruby - Unbranded
4905 - Tiah-Joy - Unbranded
4906 - Holly May - Unbranded
4907 - Sophie - Unbranded
4908 - Millie - Unbranded
4909 - Victoria - 957
4910 - Alanna - 957
4911 - Jessica - 957
4912 - Alice - 957
4913 - Maria - 957
Disclaimer: The above is just off the top of my head so some mistakes might be present.
Alanna has 2 n's ;) I'll keep any eye out for 4908 for you
Maybe 4908 should be named after a boy ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 08:53:05 PM
Maybe 4908 should be named after a boy ;D
Maybe Nathan??? :P
In regognition of two enthusiasts ;) ;D Only Joking. Would love 4609 named after me though ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 11, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
In regognition of two enthusiasts ;) ;D Only Joking. Would love 4609 named after me though ;)
Would love 4775 to be named after me too ;) carnt see it happening anytime soon :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 11, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
In regognition of two enthusiasts ;) ;D Only Joking. Would love 4609 named after me though ;)
Would love 4775 to be named after me too ;) carnt see it happening anytime soon :)
Well you never know? Have you ever tried enquiring?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 11, 2013, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 11, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
In regognition of two enthusiasts ;) ;D Only Joking. Would love 4609 named after me though ;)
Would love 4775 to be named after me too ;) carnt see it happening anytime soon :)
Well you never know? Have you ever tried enquiring?
Definitely think a bus should be named after Tony like someone suggested a few days ago.
I agree :)
5502 has developed a lovely sort of tick tick sound as it pulls away, almost reminiscent of a little 3 cylinder Citroen or 2 cyclinder bike, but quieter of course!
4908 Millie
Thank you settlerman, the list is complete.
Seen 4444 today on the 97 , was soo devistaed as my camera ran out of battries:( hopefuly ill see it again soon (: but doubt it
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 13, 2013, 10:53:30 AM
5502 has developed a lovely sort of tick tick sound as it pulls away, almost reminiscent of a little 3 cylinder Citroen or 2 cyclinder bike, but quieter of course!
I thought I was the only one to notice that!
Also E400H 5405 has developed a nice little whine while slowing down.
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
4166 has been re-engined
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
4166 has been re-engined
Thanks Winston, its now sounds smother than the other tridents :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
4166 has been re-engined
Thanks Winston, its now sounds smother than the other tridents :)
That's because Euro 4 is a better version of Euro 3 ;)
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
4166 has been re-engined
4166 and 4186 were done at WN weren't they alongside 4586.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 13, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 06:08:59 PM
I cannot remeber wether it was 4165 or 4167 which sounds diffrent to the other tridents, or it could just be me (:
Is one of them Euro 4?
4166 has been re-engined
Thanks Winston, its now sounds smother than the other tridents :)
That's because Euro 4 is a better version of Euro 3 ;)
now if a few more sounded like 4166 id take a liking to the Tridents but they sound rough so I avoid riding on them if I can :)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 13, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 13, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 13, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
Urr, BC discussion only please gents.
Sorry went off on a bit of a tangent then ;) Will try and keep it to the WN garage thread ok?
Yes that'll be fine. Once I figure out how to move individual posts I'll move them to WN topic
Thanks:) Do you know all of the Euro 4 Tridents at BC LS? Just wondering so i can look out for them ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 13, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 13, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 13, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 13, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
Urr, BC discussion only please gents.
Sorry went off on a bit of a tangent then ;) Will try and keep it to the WN garage thread ok?
Yes that'll be fine. Once I figure out how to move individual posts I'll move them to WN topic
Thanks:) Do you know all of the Euro 4 Tridents at BC LS? Just wondering so i can look out for them ;)
There was a list months back, can't remember what topic it was under
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 14, 2013, 12:02:05 AM
There was a list months back, can't remember what topic it was under
I believe this one?
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
These 3 were done at Wolverhampton a few years ago so they may differ enginewise to the recent 46**'s
4166
4179
4186
Other 41** are
4148
4172
4176
4177
4178
Then those that I know off are
4586
4619
4633
4634
Just look for any Trident with the extra filler cap behind the front wheel, those ones have had replacement engines
Moreover (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=235.msg46063#msg46063)
Indeed. If you want to travel on a decent bus, go on the AdBlu 46's or fully refurbed 44's. Excellent machines.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on September 14, 2013, 12:41:32 AM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 14, 2013, 12:02:05 AM
There was a list months back, can't remember what topic it was under
I believe this one?
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
These 3 were done at Wolverhampton a few years ago so they may differ enginewise to the recent 46**'s
4166
4179
4186
Other 41** are
4148
4172
4176
4177
4178
Then those that I know off are
4586
4619
4633
4634
Just look for any Trident with the extra filler cap behind the front wheel, those ones have had replacement engines
I forgot I made that list! ::) Add 4185 to it as well, one I forgot
are the only 14 branded tridents;
4152, 4157 & 4167 or are there more ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 14, 2013, 09:41:46 AM
are the only 14 branded tridents;
4152, 4157 & 4167 or are there more ?
Yes Nathan, just those 3 remain :D
Quote from: John on September 14, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 14, 2013, 09:41:46 AM
are the only 14 branded tridents;
4152, 4157 & 4167 or are there more ?
Yes Nathan, just those 3 remain :D
Thanks John :) just need 4167 then as I have the others, will go hunting for it later ;D
Just posted something simalar in the WB Topic, but just sorting through some timetables;
Does anybody know the list of changes that happened when LH closed, what buses when to BC/BY etc then if any moved from BC to anywhere, much appreciated
Nathan
When LH closed, if you want a transfer list for that event then here you go
1628 moved to WB
1629, 1630, 1631 moved to PE
1632 - 1639 moved to BY
1641, 1643,1644,1645,1646,1647,1648,1649,1650,1651,1653,1654,1655,1661 and 1662 moved to WN
I think all the LH omnilinks moved to BC, help? :D
4365, 4370,4371 and 4374 moved to Walsall, the rest of the LH Tridents upon closure moved to Central but it took a week or so to move everything as the auction fleet was being mmoved into LH at the same time
Have i missed anything?
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 15, 2013, 02:56:48 PM
I think all the LH omnilinks moved to BC, help? :D
The OmniLinks were split between Yardley Wood, Perry Barr and Birmingham Central. The ones that went to Birmingham Central went when Lea Hall Closed, the Yardley Wood and Perry Barr ones were transferred a few months before in exchange to Tridents for Lea Hall, and to convert the 907 to OmniLink (big failure).
1816 to 1820 went to Perry Barr in April 2010 and transferred again along with the rest from Lea Hall and Yardley Wood to Birmingham Central in July 2010 when Lea Hall closed, at the same time Yardley Wood transferred theirs to Birmingham Central as well, so all of 1788-1820 all went to Birmingham Central
Why do I remember BC operating a number of Mercedes 0405 upon closure?
In addition
4384 and 4385 moved to WN
The other LH to BC Tridents at closure were
4142,4144,4145,4148 - 4153,4157,4165 - 4168, 4175 - 4178, 4185,4187,4188,4193,4194,4195,4197 - 4200,4202,4434 - 4438,4455 - 4474,4390,4393
Sorry i forgot 1632 - 1639 went to Central first
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 03:02:18 PM
Why do I remember BC operating a number of Mercedes 0405 upon closure?
1632-1639. They transferred from Lea Hall along with the 55 upon closure. Only used on the 55 and occasionally on the 14 while there. They transferred to Bordesley in April 2011. Don't know if this was when the 55 moved as well, or just to get rid of the O405Ns from Birmingham Central
Yes John they moved with the 55, except in that same month (April 2011), BY then sent Mercs to WN, WN sent Liberators to PB and PB sent Omnilinks to BY, didnt they withdraw the 26 service around this time as well?
Some Mercs did stray onto other BC routes apart from the 14 and 55, they were seen on the 45 for a few odd times.
It felt strange driving one after a gap of about 10 years or so, but I love the cab layout and the large steering wheel and they were still as nippy as I remember :)
Didn't Central have some on the 636 at one stage?
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 15, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
Didn't Central have some on the 636 at one stage?
I'm sure they did briefly. My memory is poor of that time so you'll have to forgive me. I think it was when we had some ALX200's taboot.
cheers everyone, much appreciated, i'd like to say last question but it probally wont be;
what routes moved around aswell when LH closed
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
what routes moved around aswell when LH closed
9 and 141 from Birmingham Central to Pensnett.
14, 54, 55, 56, 90, 97 from Lea Hall to Birmingham Central
17 and 26 from Lea Hall to Bordesley
94 from Lea Hall to Perry Barr
966 from Lea Hall to Acocks Green
Quote from: John on September 15, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
what routes moved around aswell when LH closed
9 and 141 from Birmingham Central to Pensnett.
14, 54, 55, 90, 97 from Lea Hall to Birmingham Central
17 from Lea Hall to Bordesley
94 from Lea Hall to Perry Barr
966 from Lea Hall to Acocks Green
Thanks John much appreciated :)
When Did LH close down ? and all the buses/routes move around again
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 04:52:05 PM
Thanks John much appreciated :)
When Did LH close down ? and all the buses/routes move around again
No Problem.
Lea Hall closed on the 25th July 2010
see the bottom picture of 4374 leaving Lea Hall for Walsall
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4374.html
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 15, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
In addition
4384 and 4385 moved to WN
The other LH to BC Tridents at closure were
4142,4144,4145,4148 - 4153,4157,4165 - 4168, 4175 - 4178, 4185,4187,4188,4193,4194,4195,4197 - 4200,4202,4434 - 4438,4455 - 4474,4390,4393
Sorry i forgot 1632 - 1639 went to Central first
Also 4370, 4371 and 4374 went to Walsall from Lea Hall at closure
Quote from: John on September 15, 2013, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 04:52:05 PM
Thanks John much appreciated :)
When Did LH close down ? and all the buses/routes move around again
No Problem.
Lea Hall closed on the 25th July 2010
see the bottom picture of 4374 leaving Lea Hall for Walsall
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4374.html
Very much appreciated thank you
Quote from: John on September 15, 2013, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
what routes moved around aswell when LH closed
9 and 141 from Birmingham Central to Pensnett.
14, 54, 55, 56, 90, 97 from Lea Hall to Birmingham Central
17 and 26 from Lea Hall to Bordesley
94 from Lea Hall to Perry Barr
966 from Lea Hall to Acocks Green
Also 257 to WN
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
At one time, Pensnett operated the 257.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
They are! There used to be a 259 from Wall Heath to Stourbridge and that was what interworked with the 256 and the 257 operated by PE.
I think it worked as follows:
Lea Hall closed with several services transfered to Birmingham Central
9/141 transferred from BC to PE along with 4800-29
259 withdrawn (WN operated) and 257 transferred to WN interworking with the 256
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:37:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
They are! There used to be a 259 from Wall Heath to Stourbridge and that was what interworked with the 256 and the 257 operated by PE.
I think it worked as follows:
Lea Hall closed with several services transfered to Birmingham Central
9/141 transferred from BC to PE along with 4800-29
259 withdrawn (WN operated) and 257 transferred to WN interworking with the 256
Kind of miss the 9/141 being at Birmingham, because as when you they operated from BC you'd get the odd Enviro appear off route, not that with BC the nw enviros havent appeared off route :)
Wasnt the 259 replaced with the 254, then the 254 replaced with 255E journeys ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
Kind of miss the 9/141 being at Birmingham, because as when you they operated from BC you'd get the odd Enviro appear off route, not that with BC the nw enviros havent appeared off route :)
Wasnt the 259 replaced with the 254, then the 254 replaced with 255E journeys ?
Some have appeared on the 24 and 59
Yes Nathan, the 254 replaced the 259 to Wall Heath, it was then renumbered 255E, to fit in with the full 255
Quote from: John on September 15, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
Kind of miss the 9/141 being at Birmingham, because as when you they operated from BC you'd get the odd Enviro appear off route, not that with BC the nw enviros havent appeared off route :)
Wasnt the 259 replaced with the 254, then the 254 replaced with 255E journeys ?
Some have appeared on the 24 and 59
Yes Nathan, the 254 replaced the 259 to Wall Heath, it was then renumbered 255E, to fit in with the full 255
Haven't seen on on the 90 or 97 yet, will one appear on there or...........
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:37:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
They are! There used to be a 259 from Wall Heath to Stourbridge and that was what interworked with the 256 and the 257 operated by PE.
I think it worked as follows:
Lea Hall closed with several services transfered to Birmingham Central
9/141 transferred from BC to PE along with 4800-29
259 withdrawn (WN operated) and 257 transferred to WN interworking with the 256
Kind of miss the 9/141 being at Birmingham, because as when you they operated from BC you'd get the odd Enviro appear off route, not that with BC the nw enviros havent appeared off route :)
Wasnt the 259 replaced with the 254, then the 254 replaced with 255E journeys ?
I'm glad they're at Pensnett, because as you said, you get the odd Enviro appearing off route, but on my local routes!
Only need a few E400's at PE, but looking through a few posts, not many are on the 141/9 ?
Did 4800 - 29 ever work;
900/957/97/60/90 when at BC
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Only need a few E400's at PE, but looking through a few posts, not many are on the 141/9 ?
Almost all of them are on the 141/9! 90% + of the 9/141 boards are Enviro 400 operated with a few exceptions in the morning and evening peaks and of course to cover breakdowns, accidents etc...
Seems to me, Tridents appear on the 9 a lot with E400 being on routes like X96/276 etc
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: John on September 15, 2013, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:44:14 PM
Kind of miss the 9/141 being at Birmingham, because as when you they operated from BC you'd get the odd Enviro appear off route, not that with BC the nw enviros havent appeared off route :)
Wasnt the 259 replaced with the 254, then the 254 replaced with 255E journeys ?
Some have appeared on the 24 and 59
Yes Nathan, the 254 replaced the 259 to Wall Heath, it was then renumbered 255E, to fit in with the full 255
Haven't seen on on the 90 or 97 yet, will one appear on there or...........
There's been one on the 90, saw it a few weeks back, I'm pretty sure it was reported on here.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Only need a few E400's at PE, but looking through a few posts, not many are on the 141/9 ?
Did 4800 - 29 ever work;
900/957/97/60/90 when at BC
I don't think they did, no. They might have, but not seen by anyone on the forum.
They would never have been on the 90 and 97 because 4800-29 left for Pensnett at the same time the 90 and 97 moved from Lea Hall to Birmingham Central. Also, the 957 was still the 57 and 57A until July 2010 as well, when the Enviros and the 90/97 moved.
The only other routes they were seen on were the 22 and 23 before the hybrids started on those
Quote from: John on September 16, 2013, 08:19:09 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
Only need a few E400's at PE, but looking through a few posts, not many are on the 141/9 ?
Did 4800 - 29 ever work;
900/957/97/60/90 when at BC
I don't think they did, no. They might have, but not seen by anyone on the forum.
They would never have been on the 90 and 97 because 4800-29 left for Pensnett at the same time the 90 and 97 moved from Lea Hall to Birmingham Central. Also, the 957 was still the 57 and 57A until July 2010 as well, when the Enviros and the 90/97 moved.
The only other routes they were seen on were the 22 and 23 before the hybrids started on those
Yes all that's correct to my knowledge. A large proportion of them (4805-29?) were Hagley Road branded and virtually never strayed, and the remainder 4800-04 were used regularly on the 22/23. I did see one on the 24 once but that's about it.
Quote from: JB93 on September 16, 2013, 03:26:50 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Haven't seen on on the 90 or 97 yet, will one appear on there or...........
There's been one on the 90, saw it a few weeks back, I'm pretty sure it was reported on here.
I saw it once, someone else got there before me reporting it so it definitely happened
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 15, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
Didn't Central have some on the 636 at one stage?
I'm sure they did briefly. My memory is poor of that time so you'll have to forgive me. I think it was when we had some ALX200's taboot.
The ill-fated 20 as well?
Quote from: Kevin on September 16, 2013, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: JB93 on September 16, 2013, 03:26:50 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Haven't seen on on the 90 or 97 yet, will one appear on there or...........
There's been one on the 90, saw it a few weeks back, I'm pretty sure it was reported on here.
I saw it once, someone else got there before me reporting it so it definitely happened
They've been on quite a few routes, this batch of E400's. 45/7 61/3 90 to name a few.
Ive never seen one on 45/47 or 61/63
Someone posted a link on here to a picture of one on the 63.
The new enviros have been on 45/7, 61/63, 59, 60, 22/23/24,900, 957 not seen one on the X64/14/90 yet (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
The new enviros have been on 45/7, 61/63, 59, 60, 22/23/24,900, 957 not seen one on the X64/14/90 yet (:
Date: August 16, 2013 Quote from: MK4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on September 16, 2013, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
The new enviros have been on 45/7, 61/63, 59, 60, 22/23/24,900, 957 not seen one on the X64/14/90 yet (:
Date: August 16, 2013
Quote from: MK4907 on the 90 tonight. 1st one I've seen on that route.
Hi sayeed, regards to my post, I meant I havent seen a new enviro out on the 14/90/X64 yet. Sorry should have put that in (: apologies but thanks
Quote from: Kevin on September 16, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
The ill-fated 20 as well?
The 20 was ran by Bordesley
Quote from: John on September 16, 2013, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 16, 2013, 11:37:38 AM
The ill-fated 20 as well?
The 20 was ran by Bordesley
Thought the 20 was ran by BC, using ominilinks before they all went to BY
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 07:10:29 PM
Thought the 20 was ran by BC, using ominilinks before they all went to BY
No, Bordesley ran it using O405Ns
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/5543690176/
The 20 was withdrawn before Bordesley gained any OmniLinks
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:37:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 09:25:59 PM
Did the 257 move due to the 9/141 transferring to PE?
I thought the 255/256/257 were all WN operated?
They are! There used to be a 259 from Wall Heath to Stourbridge and that was what interworked with the 256 and the 257 operated by PE.
I think it worked as follows:
Lea Hall closed with several services transfered to Birmingham Central
9/141 transferred from BC to PE along with 4800-29
259 withdrawn (WN operated) and 257 transferred to WN interworking with the 256
The 297 route was also cut from gornal to dy and stour to mhc at the same time
Another question:
does anyone know when the 590A/590C birmingham circualr was withdrawn ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
Another question:
does anyone know when the 590A/590C birmingham circualr was withdrawn ?
The 590A/C was withdrawn on Saturday 10th November 2007. The 90 started the following day.
Thanks, did the 90 replace the full 590A/590C an extended to Chelmsley Wood or was it partly replaced
Quote from: uniquicity on September 16, 2013, 10:53:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
Another question:
does anyone know when the 590A/590C birmingham circualr was withdrawn ?
The 590A/C was withdrawn on Saturday 10th November 2007. The 90 started the following day.
The extension to solihull as the 70 will see part of the service re stated at least as far as Garetts Green anyway.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 10:59:03 PM
Thanks, did the 90 replace the full 590A/590C an extended to Chelmsley Wood or was it partly replaced
They tried extending the 90 to Marston green for a while via Bosworth i believe and then was cut back to C wood
How long did the 90 - Marston Green last, not long though by the looks of things
4903 is having a day on the 61/63 today
4630 was on the 900 must be filling in for an Enviro its great to see Tridents still appearing on the 900 & 957 :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 17, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
4630 was on the 900 must be filling in for an Enviro its great to see Tridents still appearing on the 900 & 957 :)
Is it probably due to 4903 being on the 61/3?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 17, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 17, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
4630 was on the 900 must be filling in for an Enviro its great to see Tridents still appearing on the 900 & 957 :)
Is it probably due to 4903 being on the 61/3?
Probably :)
I wonder if a trident has been filling in on the 900/57 with branded Enviro 400's appearing on other BC routes. Probably the unbranded E400's filling in though with more tridents on the 24 (Are the Unbranded E400's allocated to the 24 still?)
Would it not make more sense for:
Branded bus - to stay on route
Unbranded buses are used to fill were a branded bus would have been used. Instead of branded buses here! There an everywere
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 17, 2013, 10:24:07 PM
Would it not make more sense for:
Branded bus - to stay on route
Unbranded buses are used to fill were a branded bus would have been used. Instead of branded buses here! There an everywere
But it isn't always as simple as just sending a bus onto a route as one could be parked somewhere else at the garage meaning if say the next accesible bus to send out onto say the 60 is a 900 branded E400 then that gets sent out instead of waiting till a trident becomes avaliable
I see what your saying, regards to how there parked etc, yesterday I was having one of them days, wasn't thinking any of my post's through, so apologies
Proper Tridents, better than plastics, keep them on there if you can or have to :D
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
Possibly it had been on the 23 previously, and had switched onto the X64, but the display had got stuck whilst changing, see this happen quite often with dot matrix displays
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
Possibly it had been on the 23 previously, and had switched onto the X64, but the display had got stuck whilst changing, see this happen quite often with dot matrix displays
It still had the number and via points correct though, only the destination was wrong.
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
Possibly it had been on the 23 previously, and had switched onto the X64, but the display had got stuck whilst changing, see this happen quite often with dot matrix displays
It still had the number and via points correct though, only the destination was wrong.
Oh, not sure then.
It reminds me though, I have noticed in Colmore Row the digital departures list on the 22/23/24 etc. stand has been displaying the 22 with destination as Harborne
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:57:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
Possibly it had been on the 23 previously, and had switched onto the X64, but the display had got stuck whilst changing, see this happen quite often with dot matrix displays
It still had the number and via points correct though, only the destination was wrong.
Oh, not sure then.
It reminds me though, I have noticed in Colmore Row the digital departures list on the 22/23/24 etc. stand has been displaying the 22 with destination as Harborne
A lot of them do that. The 56 was being displayed as Fordbridge, and the 24 as World's End. The 952 had a weird one as well, something like Old Oscott on one of the stops. I'm not sure if these are all still the case.
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
New x64 route from February. It'll do up to Newman College then down to Woodgate and terminate. This is to coincide with the 29 changes. By the way, it's February now for the changes... they just cannot make up their minds.
That's the latest anyway!! Half and half for reliability of source though.
Makes sense with the destinations etc.
21 anyone?!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 18, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
New x64 route from February. It'll do up to Newman College then down to Woodgate and terminate. This is to coincide with the 29 changes. By the way, it's February now for the changes... they just cannot make up their minds.
That's the latest anyway!! Half and half for reliability of source though.
Makes sense with the destinations etc.
21 anyone?!
The fact that they are tinkering with the X64 again having already cut its frequency shows they got it wrong. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the X64 is just a renumbered 921, which was a failure. When commuters had the choice of the 21 or the limited stop 921, far more people used the 21 which provided a number of useful links.
I'd like to see the old 21 back, and the (4)48 curtailed back to the QE, rather than the giant mutant mess of a route it is now.
Quote from: Mike K on September 18, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
I'd like to see the old 21 back, and the (4)48 curtailed back to the QE, rather than the giant mutant mess of a route it is now.
Agreed! Ever since the 48 (formerly 448) was extended up that end, the frequency has gradually lowered
It does seem to make far more sense to have a more frequent service (say, every 10 minutes?) along the bristol road to selly oak then down to the castle / bartley green. Not the old 21 route, I know people miss it but personally I thought it was hideous and unreliable
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 18, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 18, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
I'd like to see the old 21 back, and the (4)48 curtailed back to the QE, rather than the giant mutant mess of a route it is now.
Agreed! Ever since the 48 (formerly 448) was extended up that end, the frequency has gradually lowered
Wrong, the 448 was always every half hour
Quote from: Kevin on September 19, 2013, 06:59:24 AM
It does seem to make far more sense to have a more frequent service (say, every 10 minutes?) along the bristol road to selly oak then down to the castle / bartley green. Not the old 21 route, I know people miss it but personally I thought it was hideous and unreliable
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 18, 2013, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 18, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
I'd like to see the old 21 back, and the (4)48 curtailed back to the QE, rather than the giant mutant mess of a route it is now.
Agreed! Ever since the 48 (formerly 448) was extended up that end, the frequency has gradually lowered
Wrong, the 448 was always every half hour
The (4)48 used to be every half hour in the evenings, ever since the change to extend it to Bartley Green, it's become hourly in the evening. Not without complaints either
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 18, 2013, 08:32:27 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
I saw a Trident on the X64 yesterday displaying Woodgate as the destination, anyone know why?
New x64 route from February. It'll do up to Newman College then down to Woodgate and terminate. This is to coincide with the 29 changes. By the way, it's February now for the changes... they just cannot make up their minds.
That's the latest anyway!! Half and half for reliability of source though.
Makes sense with the destinations etc.
21 anyone?!
Thanks LS,
I assume pushing the date of the South Birmingham review back to Feb 2014, may now coincide with new deliveries of part of the 2014 NX bus order
Saw a BC bus needing assistance by an engineer yesterday... didnt quite `atch the full fleet number, but it ended '26' so could be 4326, 4426 or 4626 ???
Quote from: YW4355 on September 22, 2013, 08:56:36 PM
Saw a BC bus needing assistance by an engineer yesterday... didnt quite `atch the full fleet number, but it ended '26' so could be 4326, 4426 or 4626 ???
What location?
Can't be 4626 that expired at Frankley couple of days ago. And another one broke down there as well but forgot that fleet number, it was a 43 though.
Yes it must have been 4626, I saw it as I was passing on the X64 it was a young driver I think.
Im getting my days mixed up! Must have been Saturday. I dont know if Im coming or going sometimes!
Quote from: YW4355 on September 22, 2013, 09:04:18 PM
Yes it must have been 4626, I saw it as I was passing on the X64 it was a young driver I think.
Ahh there you go! I was parked in the car park there whilst doing a spot of shopping and spotting, so to speak.
Quote from: YW4355 on September 22, 2013, 09:06:18 PM
Im getting my days mixed up! Must have been Saturday. I dont know if Im coming or going sometimes!
Ahh, 4626 died on 18/9 - just checked a shopping receipt. (Wednesday BTW)
Ahhh ok, I often pass Holly Hill terminus on the X64 from work back to Great Park. I always glance across to see if I see anything intersting ;)
Quote from: YW4355 on September 22, 2013, 09:13:35 PM
Ahhh ok, I often pass Holly Hill terminus on the X64 from work back to Great Park. I always glance across to see if I see anything intersting ;)
Fair enough Dave. Anything else decent let us know, I'm rarely over that end these days.
Always nice to see a rare working parked up, an E200 or such on the BR. Never did get the pleasure.
Right, what I've heard is..
The Cov rota will have its Cranes Park work removed. The Coleshill rota will have its TX & 'CP' & CM work removed, when the 90 is extended to Solihull.
The '70' and 900/E, 957 will join and make one rota. The scrubby odd bits off the previous rotas will revert back to their mother rota.
I don't know what they will call this 3hr + round trip rota. With the 70 being 4.5hrs round trip its a beast.
100% reliability at source. 50:50 for the change to go ahead.
Discuss if you please
What does the Solihull extension of the 90 entail? And is the '70' a new service or just driver speak?
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 24, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
What does the Solihull extension of the 90 entail? And is the '70' a new service or just driver speak?
See reply 462
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1945.msg58939#msg58939
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
Unless of course the batch due for delivery in the near future are for something like the Bristol Road or Pershore Road, rather than the Sutton Lines.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
LS,
I know what you're saying, but in terms of BC it would introduce another type to a Trident/E400 dominated fleet etc
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
Unless of course the batch due for delivery in the near future are for something like the Bristol Road or Pershore Road, rather than the Sutton Lines.
I think it has been suggested that Pershore Rd is due an upgrade but not until Feb 2014, so I would have thought those would come from NX's 2014 bus order?
I know Winston but NX seem to change their plans more often than some people change their undercrackers.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
Unless of course the batch due for delivery in the near future are for something like the Bristol Road or Pershore Road, rather than the Sutton Lines.
No no, its deffo Sutton Lines upgrade.
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
LS,
I know what you're saying, but in terms of BC it would introduce another type to a Trident/E400 dominated fleet etc
It has been done before, but I understand where you're coming from. It is unlikely either way.
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: John on September 26, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
4140 still has its mega side ad for 'Pacific Rim', from June. Surely this must be a candidate for the next refurb from Central, or at least getting the advert removed?
Or the next batch to shift to PE? Or isn't that happening now?
I think it is still happening when new deliveries arrive, in around 6 weeks time has been suggested
Anyone any ideas which garage and routes the next delivery is for? PB and Sutton Lines has been suggested but if that is the case I can't see what cascades would happen to allow BC Tridents and B7RLEs to move to PE. And the trees on Wheeleys Road and Edgbaston Park Road still need a serious trim if the plan is for the 98 to go double deck.
If PB / Sutton Lines are the intended recipient for the new deliveries, the only option as I see would be for PB to loose its early E400's 4698, 4718-4732 - BC allowing for Tridents & B7RLE to cascade out to PE. No other PB types are suitable for cascade to BC
Well actually the B7-ALX400 would be suitable, as all drivers apart from ones started Oct12-onwards wouldn't have been type trained.
Bring back the 42hundreds!! Lol.
In all seriousness it would probably be PB buses direct to PE.
Unless of course the batch due for delivery in the near future are for something like the Bristol Road or Pershore Road, rather than the Sutton Lines.
I think it has been suggested that Pershore Rd is due an upgrade but not until Feb 2014, so I would have thought those would come from NX's 2014 bus order?
Well that would be the most apparent situation with orders anyway.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:30:45 PM
I know Winston but NX seem to change their plans more often than some people change their undercrackers.
I agree, they are all as bad as one another......
Surely if the numbers / business case stacks up one week, it don't see how it can change the next
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
Closest you've come to that is one being on the 900 once!
Why did that happen, does anyone remember?
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
Oh no it will never be Geminis, the engineers put a stop to that ages ago! But as Winston said it will be early E400's (which could be a possible temporary transfer until the Pershore E400 comes, then they might move somewhere else)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 26, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
Closest you've come to that is one being on the 900 once!
Why did that happen, does anyone remember?
Short of buses, one off rarity like the Omnilinks you get on a regular one off. Just to cover the PM peak I think it was.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
I think my money is still on the 16 early E400's leaving PB for BC to allow Tridents & B7RLE to cascade to PE.
AG will more than likely need additional single deckers for increased frequencies on the 71/72, which could also come from PB in the shape of further Omnilinks due to 71A being withdrawn & 638 having a frequency reduction
I expect WB may also be involved with further ex PB ALX400/Gemini
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 26, 2013, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2013, 10:46:44 PM
Thanks for the confirmation on the Sutton Lines LS. Karl posted in the PE thread that there would be more Tridents and B7RLEs to replace Mercs and logically you would think these would come from BC. I'm interested to see what sequence of vehicle cascades might happen to allow that.
Would love to see B7 Geminis at BC but very much doubt that will ever happen.
Oh no it will never be Geminis, the engineers put a stop to that ages ago! But as Winston said it will be early E400's (which could be a possible temporary transfer until the Pershore E400 comes, then they might move somewhere else)
Based on what Simon NXOD said, I'm thinking the early E400's may move to BC until early next year when the Pershore Rd is delivered, then they may move back to PB for the 94 which was quoted as also being due to be upgraded in Feb 2014 with newer vehicles than at present
All these ideas sound about right, there are 25 more Enviro's to come, presume all for PB? With 15 Enviro's to BC, and then 10 ALX400's to WB directly withdrawing more Mercs.
BC then have even more Trident's to play with some more to PE, maybe more to YW, some to be kept to increase DD % with a few B7's to PE meaning maybe a total of 20ish Merc's can be gracefully retired after a life of strong service as some of PE and WB's examples are really quite worn now
All sounds like a plan to me, whether its anything like NXWM's plan, we'll just have to see
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 26, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
All these ideas sound about right, there are 25 more Enviro's to come, presume all for PB? With 15 Enviro's to BC, and then 10 ALX400's to WB directly withdrawing more Mercs.
BC then have even more Trident's to play with some more to PE, maybe more to YW, some to be kept to increase DD % with a few B7's to PE meaning maybe a total of 20ish Merc's can be gracefully retired after a life of strong service as some of PE and WB's examples are really quite worn now
All sounds like a plan to me, whether its anything like NXWM's plan, we'll just have to see
There are 26 E400's outstanding and up too 16 x early E400's could leave PB if 4698 was included.
Any reason 4192 is back at BC, just seen it on the 45
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 28, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
Any reason 4192 is back at BC, just seen it on the 45
4192 has never left BC since it moved from YW Nath ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 28, 2013, 08:01:46 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 28, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
Any reason 4192 is back at BC, just seen it on the 45
4192 has never left BC since it moved from YW Nath ;)
I thought 4192 went to PE ?
4192 never moved.
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4314
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
Are the ones BC lost so far.
However, more interestingly, 4218's fate is still unknown.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 09:40:20 AM
4192 never moved.
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4314
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
Are the ones BC lost so far.
However, more interestingly, 4218's fate is still unknown.
Just to clarify for Nathan4775, 4313/14/15/58/59/90/93 went to Yardley Wood not Pensnett.
Yes, thanks Matt I should've stated that. :P
But in all seriousness, does anyone know if 4218 will come back to BC?
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 09:49:19 AM
Yes, thanks Matt I should've stated that. :P
But in all seriousness, does anyone know if 4218 will come back to BC?
Tbh i will probably be displaced from BC after repair work is done with all the new buses and cascades happening soon
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
I agree LS 4139 deserves a refurb got on 4139 on the 60 a week or two ago and some of the seats are worn
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 28, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
I agree LS 4139 deserves a refurb got on 4139 on the 60 a week or two ago and some of the seats are worn
Oh without a shadow of a doubt, its rough. The upper saloon has damaged seat backs, all burnt and damaged and etched.
4139 is at Walsall being done
4140 with its outdated Pacific Rim megaside ad on Bristol Road today
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 28, 2013, 12:44:48 PM
4140 with its outdated Pacific Rim megaside ad on Bristol Road today
I mentioned that one on Thursday, would think its due for removal. Arriva 4765 in Leicester is also carrying the same advert
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 28, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
I agree LS 4139 deserves a refurb got on 4139 on the 60 a week or two ago and some of the seats are worn
Oh without a shadow of a doubt, its rough. The upper saloon has damaged seat backs, all burnt and damaged and etched.
How did the offside lower panels look when there was no adverts? When I drove 4139, it had the UWE advert, with a nice scrape all along the bottom of the offside because a woman in a Mercedes drove into me on Broad Street
has the 97 branded always had the route details on the side with the doors, today I seen a Trident and it looked new, maybe Ive just never noticed it until today
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 28, 2013, 07:57:44 PM
has the 97 branded always had the route details on the side with the doors, today I seen a Trident and it looked new, maybe Ive just never noticed it until today
Yes it has Nathan :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 28, 2013, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 28, 2013, 07:57:44 PM
has the 97 branded always had the route details on the side with the doors, today I seen a Trident and it looked new, maybe Ive just never noticed it until today
Yes it has Nathan :)
Yup only just noticed it then :) thanks nathan
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 28, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 28, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
I agree LS 4139 deserves a refurb got on 4139 on the 60 a week or two ago and some of the seats are worn
Oh without a shadow of a doubt, its rough. The upper saloon has damaged seat backs, all burnt and damaged and etched.
How did the offside lower panels look when there was no adverts? When I drove 4139, it had the UWE advert, with a nice scrape all along the bottom of the offside because a woman in a Mercedes drove into me on Broad Street
Hi Chris,
It had the blue paint scraped off for about 4 foot on the lower offside skirts, with slight gouging. I thought it was caused by the advert being removed, or not as the case now seems.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on September 28, 2013, 01:36:14 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 28, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 28, 2013, 10:09:27 AM
In addition; 4139 is looking in a sorry state after, what looks like, an overall side advert removed. That'll be the next one at Walsall I expect.
I agree LS 4139 deserves a refurb got on 4139 on the 60 a week or two ago and some of the seats are worn
Oh without a shadow of a doubt, its rough. The upper saloon has damaged seat backs, all burnt and damaged and etched.
How did the offside lower panels look when there was no adverts? When I drove 4139, it had the UWE advert, with a nice scrape all along the bottom of the offside because a woman in a Mercedes drove into me on Broad Street
Hi Chris,
It had the blue paint scraped off for about 4 foot on the lower offside skirts, with slight gouging. I thought it was caused by the advert being removed, or not as the case now seems.
Sorry about late response. How deep was the scrape? The length of the scrape on the vinyl ad was from the front offside corner all the way to the rear wheel where her car was embedded, about a foot to foot and a half deep. I wish I had the photos off the acci-cam, but they're probably lying about at BC somewhere. Mr K even tried to blame me for it when I handed in the VIR
45/51, whats it meanm as that cannot be the 51st bus on the 45 :-\
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:51:23 PM
45/51, whats it meanm as that cannot be the 51st bus on the 45 :-\
Liverpool Street explained this to me some time ago. Forgot exactly but i know its not to do with it being the 51st bus out. I wondered the same thing until LS told me
I think ive asked the above question somewere as I think I posted something about 99/45 or something like that too ?
4151 has arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Quote from: FireballXL5 on October 02, 2013, 03:01:00 PM
4151 has arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Only seen 4151 on the 60 yesterday I hope its nothing too serious
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 01, 2013, 07:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 05:51:23 PM
45/51, whats it meanm as that cannot be the 51st bus on the 45 :-\
Liverpool Street explained this to me some time ago. Forgot exactly but i know its not to do with it being the 51st bus out. I wondered the same thing until LS told me
45/51 = 1st Pershore Road bus out.
/5 = Pershore Road prefix. Been like that forever. It was to do with no confusion/system conflict if you had 63/01 and 45/01 you see.
Some items.
Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.
Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.
Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.
Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.
Therefore;
Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957
This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.
The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.
In addition;
The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.
The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.
Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
In addition;
The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.
The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.
Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!
Thanks LS,
That's bowled us a bit of a curved ball........ so looks like the PB E400's to BC may be a permanent move. I wonder what PB might end up with in the form of newer cascades for the 94 then as per NXOD's quote
They don't give toss about the 94, bet it won't get anything :). I had to throw that one just for old times sake. :). Not had a moan for a while. Mind could probably get 03 branded Gemini's. That would be slight regular improvement.
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
Not certain, but 16 was banded about when there were suggestions a new fleet of E400's may have originally been due
the was a B6LE 3 days ago heading by Hotel - Le - Toure the it turned left under the bridge any idea why it was heading to BC ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
the was a B6LE 3 days ago heading by Hotel - Le - Toure the it turned left under the bridge any idea why it was heading to BC ?
Parts Run maybe, delivering parts from another garage to Central for a Trident or Enviro400
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
the was a B6LE 3 days ago heading by Hotel - Le - Toure the it turned left under the bridge any idea why it was heading to BC ?
Probably heading to the steam clean place down there that does a lot of work for NXWM before MoTs
Here is a photo of 4368 taken in BC today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4368.html
Note the immaculate wheels where it has not been out in service yet. Stories of it being on 24 earlier in the week are not correct
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2013, 10:05:19 PM
Here is a photo of 4368 taken in BC today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4368.html
Note the immaculate wheels where it has not been out in service yet. Stories of it being on 24 earlier in the week are not correct
Tony, what is that black sticker in the second upper deck window? Is it the fares or what?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2013, 10:05:19 PM
Here is a photo of 4368 taken in BC today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4368.html
Note the immaculate wheels where it has not been out in service yet. Stories of it being on 24 earlier in the week are not correct
Tony, what is that black sticker in the second upper deck window? Is it the fares or what?
Advertising the NXWM RTI app I believe
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 06, 2013, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
1hr 48 round trip.
108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.
But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)
Incidently;
1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:
110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 06, 2013, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
1hr 48 round trip.
108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.
But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)
Incidently;
1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:
110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs
Is it so secret what the PVR of routes are in the West Midlands.
There is a website for London buses & it gives you the PVR of every route.
Quote from: Winston on October 06, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 06, 2013, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
1hr 48 round trip.
108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.
But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)
Incidently;
1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:
110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs
Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.
And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 06, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 06, 2013, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
1hr 48 round trip.
108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.
But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)
Incidently;
1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:
110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs
Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.
And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.
Yes Uniquicity is spot on with working out Pvrs
Quote from: Winston on October 06, 2013, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 06, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 06, 2013, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 06, 2013, 07:11:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 03, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Whats the PVR of the 45/47?
I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47
1hr 48 round trip.
108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.
But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)
Incidently;
1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:
110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs
Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.
And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.
Yes Uniquicity is spot on with working out Pvrs
Not always! The formula used works out the normal daytime requirement. PVR stands for
Peak Vehicle Requirement It does not take into account extra recovery time a lot of routes have during the peak.
As Liverpool Street has pointed out Bristol Road has 31 running boards, but only a normal requirement for 22 buses
Thank you for the responses
Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.
I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
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There was a 63-34 board earlier in the year....... and in the old days I'm sure it reached 62-38
When we had the old wooden clip boards with the running board number on the back I remember seeing 45-81
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
Some items.
Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.
Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.
Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.
Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.
Therefore;
Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957
This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.
The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.
In addition;
The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.
The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.
Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!
I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2013, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
Some items.
Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.
Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.
Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.
Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.
Therefore;
Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957
This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.
The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.
In addition;
The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.
The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.
Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!
I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?
I would suggest it interworks with the Castle Bromwich 72 shorts? Fits Perfectly?
If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???
Won't it just interwork with the 56 like the 90 does already, if it's being operated by BC?
I was on about the daytime services.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???
Could the 70 & 72E interwork? With the 70 being double deck, and the 72E having a low bridge?
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 07, 2013, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2013, 02:50:01 PM
If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???
Could the 70 & 72E interwork? With the 70 being double deck, and the 72E having a low bridge?
Where is the low bridge on the 72 (whole route not just the 72E)?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2013, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 02, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
Some items.
Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.
Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.
Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.
Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.
Therefore;
Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957
This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.
The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.
In addition;
The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.
The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.
Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!
I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?
Relief at the Mackadown.
Just the 70 by itself with short workings and big layovers, as its over 4hr round trip. But then its not as sometimes it might be Mackadown to Solihull and back to Mackadown to relief .. so half a trip effectively.
I'll try and find out and get back to you.
And I'll reiterate;
The 70 is by itself - its only the timetable that inter works.
Remember short journeys.
Sundays are Garage to Garage ; one trip.
The 71 route has the low bridge, and as it interworks with the 72, that is the only reason the 72 doesn't have double-decks now. The 72 was usually double-deck operated previously, before the routes were changed and they started interworking.
From memory when it was the old 590 / 59(90). The service used to have 30 mins layovers near the Jennens Road Aston uni roundabout.
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
It orginally was a Staff bus as an Engineer and Staff were sitting on it before they swapped buses and that went out as a 29
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
Yes engineer brought that bus as a change bus out to the driver around 13:25. Not quite sure why the driver taking the defective bus back would have put 'Staff Bus' back up, should have just put Sorry not in service up which is easier than staff bus
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
It orginally was a Staff bus as an Engineer and Staff were sitting on it before they swapped buses and that went out as a 29
It was not a staff bus at 13:29. Staff Bus finishes at 07:00 and doesn't start again until Midnight
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2013, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
It orginally was a Staff bus as an Engineer and Staff were sitting on it before they swapped buses and that went out as a 29
It was not a staff bus at 13:29. Staff Bus finishes at 07:00 and doesn't start again until Midnight
Oh, I thought it was as the Driver had Staff Bus on display, the driver on 2152 changed the display and left as the 29 the other bus left with NOT IN SERVICE with several staff on board ovbouisly the ones that had just finished the 22/3/4/9/9A
As its been discussed in the unusual workins thread, I dont suppose anybody could give some timings of BC's journeys on the 71, 49, 966 and 50? Thanks
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 11:16:31 PM
As its been discussed in the unusual workins thread, I dont suppose anybody could give some timings of BC's journeys on the 71, 49, 966 and 50? Thanks
71 - 07:28 from Sheldon, Wheatsheaf to Solihull, Mon-Fri School Days
Youd have to be in 2 places at once then haha
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 07, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 09:12:38 PM
is this a common thing
2152 was on the staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10139364613/in/photostream/
but left as a 29 to Northfeild an the bus that came into Birmingham left as a Staff bus driven by an engineer
That wasn't a staff bus - it just left the destination up.
And B7RLE's are the allocation of the Staff.
Yes engineer brought that bus as a change bus out to the driver around 13:25. Not quite sure why the driver taking the defective bus back would have put 'Staff Bus' back up, should have just put Sorry not in service up which is easier than staff bus
I don't know if it still comes up when you put up Staff Bus, Rail Replacement, or Metro Replacement, Misuse Prohibited would scroll along the bottom of the display in the cab
Quote from: neale95 on October 07, 2013, 11:18:53 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 11:16:31 PM
As its been discussed in the unusual workins thread, I dont suppose anybody could give some timings of BC's journeys on the 71, 49, 966 and 50? Thanks
71 - 07:28 from Sheldon, Wheatsheaf to Solihull, Mon-Fri School Days
The 50 starts from Kings Heath around 3pm heads into Birmingham and does a few full trips
I think the 9 is around 7.30am and it starts from Halesowen into Birmingham
Nathan4775 may know about the 966 as he got a pic of it in Solihull
I never knew about the 49 ;)
The 966 does a school run AM college days and gets into Solihull Station at around 8:30/8:45 I think will double check though
Would be a very early start but id one day tr and see them, thanks for the replies
I just need to see the 71 an 50 seen the rest (:
BC did a 49E from St Thomas Aquinas in Kings Norton to Northfield think it starts around 15:25 although it maybe earlier but I have a feeling this has now been renumbered 849.
Is the 99 on Diverson as its just came down Calthorpe Road (Five Ways). Either that or he is lost ?. How would it return to normal line of route from there towards Halesowen ?
I can answer my own question =D, yes it is on Diversion, road works around the 99 route are resulting in it being on Diversion (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 08, 2013, 09:02:41 AM
The 966 does a school run AM college days and gets into Solihull Station at around 8:30/8:45 I think will double check though
The 966 journey is a short working from Heathland Avenue at 0717 getting into Solihull at 0825. This vehicle then goes on to operate the 97 for the remainder of the day, and is frequently operated by a branded 97 vehicle.
Thanks notepanel I knew it was around 8ish
On a Sunday how many Hybrids should be out on the 22/3/4 ? in total
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
On a Sunday how many Hybrids should be out on the 22/3/4 ? in total
12 I think
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 09, 2013, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
On a Sunday how many Hybrids should be out on the 22/3/4 ? in total
12 I think
So that leaves 6 in the Garage :) thanks Sayeed
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 09, 2013, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
On a Sunday how many Hybrids should be out on the 22/3/4 ? in total
12 I think
So that leaves 6 in the Garage :) thanks Sayeed
No it doesn't. You will never go to BC Monday to Friday daytime and find 6 hybrids not out
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2013, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 09, 2013, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 09, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
On a Sunday how many Hybrids should be out on the 22/3/4 ? in total
12 I think
So that leaves 6 in the Garage :) thanks Sayeed
No it doesn't. You will never go to BC Monday to Friday daytime and find 6 hybrids not out
I think they're talking about a Sunday Tony.
I think it's less than 12 Hybrids that are required to cover the 22/23 and 24 on a Sunday. The Sunday PVR of the 22 is 6 buses I believe, and there are 3 buses on the 24.
I stand to be corrected by BC drivers past or present.
Yup I'm on about Sunday, regards to Monday - Friday if I'm not corrected all Hybrids are out with a Trident thrown in at peak times
Does anyone know if Central are going to running any journeys on the new 72 TT when it starts then?
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
4200-4202 recently transferred BC - PN
4218 is undergoing some form of long term repair work I think
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
I believe 4218 was fire damaged not long after entering service new at CV so they repaired it and sent it to BC or whichever garage it went to iirc?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
4200-4202 recently transferred BC - PN
4218 is undergoing some form of long term repair work I think
It was new to Coventry, then when it was 3 months old, this happened
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/2269523843/
A firework set off on top deck while working a school service
It was repaired, but reinstated to Yardley Wood, I guess they needed an extra Trident at the time, for the Weoley Castle routes 21 and 29, or one of their other routes
Yes, it was involved in an crash with a bin lorry than ran a red light, and is under repair. I would like to see it either reutn to Coventry, or go on to Pensnett when repaired.
This is what makes 4218 my favourite bus in the fleet, because it is different from all of the rest of the Coventry Y-TOH Tridents, and it has a story to it
Id like to see 4218 go to CV myself :) to join the majority of 42** Tridents (:.
So 4218 actually hasnt worked any BC routes has it? so I can change my list to BLANK under Current Garage :)
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
4200-4202 recently transferred BC - PN
4218 is undergoing some form of long term repair work I think
It was new to Coventry, then when it was 3 months old, this happened
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/2269523843/
A firework set off on top deck while working a school service
It was repaired, but reinstated to Yardley Wood, I guess they needed an extra Trident at the time, for the Weoley Castle routes 21 and 29, or one of their other routes
Yes, it was involved in an crash with a bin lorry than ran a red light, and is under repair. I would like to see it either reutn to Coventry, or go on to Pensnett when repaired.
This is what makes 4218 my favourite bus in the fleet, because it is different from all of the rest of the Coventry Y-TOH Tridents
Indeed John.
Its easy to get attached to a bus which has history behind it.
Nice detailed history as well. Thanks John :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
Id like to see 4218 go to CV myself :) to join the majority of 42** Tridents (:.
So 4218 actually hasnt worked any BC routes has it? so I can change my list to BLANK under Current Garage :)
What are you talking about? Its worked every double deck route in the garage!
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
So 4218 actually hasnt worked any BC routes has it? so I can change my list to BLANK under Current Garage :)
Yes it has Nathan. It transferred from Yardley Wood in November 2012 when they lost all of their Y-TOH Tridents upon receiving Presidents. I believe the accident was a good few months ago now, so I would imagine repairs may be nearly complete
Here is 4218 on the 900E
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8718230682/
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
why is 4218 the only 42** bus at BC and the rest are with CV, Didnt notice it until just
4200-4202 recently transferred BC - PN
4218 is undergoing some form of long term repair work I think
It was new to Coventry, then when it was 3 months old, this happened
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/2269523843/
A firework set off on top deck while working a school service
It was repaired, but reinstated to Yardley Wood, I guess they needed an extra Trident at the time, for the Weoley Castle routes 21 and 29, or one of their other routes
Yes, it was involved in an crash with a bin lorry than ran a red light, and is under repair. I would like to see it either reutn to Coventry, or go on to Pensnett when repaired.
This is what makes 4218 my favourite bus in the fleet, because it is different from all of the rest of the Coventry Y-TOH Tridents
Indeed John.
Its easy to get attached to a bus which has history behind it.
Nice detailed history as well. Thanks John :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
Id like to see 4218 go to CV myself :) to join the majority of 42** Tridents (:.
So 4218 actually hasnt worked any BC routes has it? so I can change my list to BLANK under Current Garage :)
What are you talking about? Its worked every double deck route in the garage!
I was under the impression it was involved in a crash before it entered service at BC
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:26:00 PM
I was under the impression it was involved in a crash before it entered service at BC
It would have had a little over 6 months service at Central
So right now this minute what Garage is it in ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
So right now this minute what Garage is it in ?
Its allocation is still BC.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 06:29:21 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
So right now this minute what Garage is it in ?
Its allocation is still BC.
I think Nathan means where is it physically located at the moment? As buses usually go elsewhere for repairs.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 10, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
So right now this minute what Garage is it in ?
Officially it is still allocated to Central, but I don't know where it is been repaired
Either, at a place like Carlysle in West Bromwich (on the 74 route), or in another NX garage that carries out serious repairs
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
All Daysavers etc. are valid on both NXWM and NXC buses aren't they?
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
Well you're supposed to read what's on printed text ;)
But sometimes, yes. However, if passengers just showed the bloody tickets properly in the first place, you wouldn't have a problem. The drivers are in the right here, its the passengers who have got it wrong.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
All Daysavers etc. are valid on both NXWM and NXC buses aren't they?
Checked it on the website, apparently it is.
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
All Daysavers etc. are valid on both NXWM and NXC buses aren't they?
Checked it on the website, apparently it is.
NXWM is valid in NXC, NXC day saver is void in NXWM. You have to specify you want a £3.90 if buying in Coventry.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 08:27:07 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: John on October 10, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 07:25:37 PM
One of the new branded buses on the 900 uses NXC ticket paper roll, I wonder why and how they got them if they're based at BC garage.
It must have ran out and the driver did not have any spare. So to get some, they may have had to ask a driver on a bus in Coventry for some, or went into the garage to ask for some
I remember when I was at BC they were going to start a trial on the 900 which uses NXC ticket rolls, to coincide with the branding.
I don't know if that is relevant.
Forgive me since I never bought paper tickets, but isn't having NXC ticket means NXWM buses might reject it because they might think it's only valid for NXC buses?
All Daysavers etc. are valid on both NXWM and NXC buses aren't they?
Regional Daysavers yes (the £3.90 ones). The Coventry Daysavers (£3.70) are only valid on NX services in the Coventry area.
An interesting diversion on the 900 today, which I have just been told about. It was diverting away from the Coventry rd at Sheldon, down Valley Rd, Old Lode Lane. I bet S10 passengers were shocked to see a double decker down Valley Rd, comparded to the usual Solo or occasional e200!
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
An interesting diversion on the 900 today, which I have just been told about. It was diverting away from the Coventry rd at Sheldon, down Valley Rd, Old Lode Lane. I bet S10 passengers were shocked to see a double decker down Valley Rd, comparded to the usual Solo or occasional e200!
When did this occur? I used the 900 today and there was no diversion :(
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
An interesting diversion on the 900 today, which I have just been told about. It was diverting away from the Coventry rd at Sheldon, down Valley Rd, Old Lode Lane. I bet S10 passengers were shocked to see a double decker down Valley Rd, comparded to the usual Solo or occasional e200!
When did this occur? I used the 900 today and there was no diversion :(
Im not too sure, my dad saw it and the driver told him he was being divereted. It was only towards Birmingham I think
How long has the X64/98 Interworked at Rubery For ? yesterday I was in Rubery and noticed a X64 Enter leaving as a 98 and then a 98 that was present changed to an X64 and left ? thought they only interworked at Peaks ?
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
An interesting diversion on the 900 today, which I have just been told about. It was diverting away from the Coventry rd at Sheldon, down Valley Rd, Old Lode Lane. I bet S10 passengers were shocked to see a double decker down Valley Rd, comparded to the usual Solo or occasional e200!
When did this occur? I used the 900 today and there was no diversion :(
Im not too sure, my dad saw it and the driver told him he was being divereted. It was only towards Birmingham I think
The notice is still up on the NWM website, advising that due to a lane closure on the Coventry Road the S10 was suffering delays; I guess as a result some 900 journeys towards Birmingham were being diverted also.
http://networkwestmidlands.com/ServiceAlterations/alterations.aspx
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 12, 2013, 06:17:35 PM
How long has the X64/98 Interworked at Rubery For ? yesterday I was in Rubery and noticed a X64 Enter leaving as a 98 and then a 98 that was present changed to an X64 and left ? thought they only interworked at Peaks ?
Ever since it was X62/X64.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 12, 2013, 06:44:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 12, 2013, 06:17:35 PM
How long has the X64/98 Interworked at Rubery For ? yesterday I was in Rubery and noticed a X64 Enter leaving as a 98 and then a 98 that was present changed to an X64 and left ? thought they only interworked at Peaks ?
Ever since it was X62/X64.
Oh, Well I only found out yesterday they interworked when me an this woman were waiting for the X64 and it changed to a 98
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2013, 06:28:47 PM
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: :D on October 10, 2013, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: neale95 on October 10, 2013, 10:04:56 PM
An interesting diversion on the 900 today, which I have just been told about. It was diverting away from the Coventry rd at Sheldon, down Valley Rd, Old Lode Lane. I bet S10 passengers were shocked to see a double decker down Valley Rd, comparded to the usual Solo or occasional e200!
When did this occur? I used the 900 today and there was no diversion :(
Im not too sure, my dad saw it and the driver told him he was being divereted. It was only towards Birmingham I think
The notice is still up on the NWM website, advising that due to a lane closure on the Coventry Road the S10 was suffering delays; I guess as a result some 900 journeys towards Birmingham were being diverted also.
http://networkwestmidlands.com/ServiceAlterations/alterations.aspx
The S10 wasnt too bad today I dont think, only journey affected that I noticed was the 11:00 from Cranes Park. I didnt see any 900s diverting, was hoping to see one though :(
4318 is on the 957 and 4613 is on the 900E today rode on 4613 this morning :D Great to see Tridents on both the 900 and 957 ;D
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 17, 2013, 11:14:47 AM
4318 is on the 957 and 4613 is on the 900E today rode on 4613 this morning :D Great to see Tridents on both the 900 and 957 ;D
And 4318 used to be my favourite bus when it was at WN ;)
Has 4328 gained NXWM logos yet ? or has it still got the Mini TWM logo ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Has 4328 gained NXWM logos yet ? or has it still got the Mini TWM logo ?
Still got that big WM logo with small TWM logo immediately underneath it on the N/S. Offside is normal TWM logo
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 19, 2013, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Has 4328 gained NXWM logos yet ? or has it still got the Mini TWM logo ?
Still got that big WM logo with small TWM logo immediately underneath it on the N/S. Offside is normal TWM logo
So 4328 still looks like this;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10209396856/
Therefore are there still a few tridents awaiting NXWM logos ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
So 4328 still looks like this;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10209396856/
Therefore are there still a few tridents awaiting NXWM logos ?
Yes Nathan it does.
I think 4328 is be the last one at Central still with TWM logos. (Yardley Wood 4370 has been missed out, and Perry Barr 4262 are 2 others I have seen)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 19, 2013, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Has 4328 gained NXWM logos yet ? or has it still got the Mini TWM logo ?
Still got that big WM logo with small TWM logo immediately underneath it on the N/S. Offside is normal TWM logo
So 4328 still looks like this;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10209396856/
Therefore are there still a few tridents awaiting NXWM logos ?
I believe that's the only BC Trident not to have NXWM logos.
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:03:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
So 4328 still looks like this;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10209396856/
Therefore are there still a few tridents awaiting NXWM logos ?
Yes Nathan it does.
I think 4328 is be the last one at Central still with TWM logos. (Yardley Wood 4370 has been missed out, and Perry Barr 4262 are 2 others I have seen)
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
I would say West Bromwich, with their 42**s, O405Ns, and Darts.
Wolverhampton, Coventry, Bordesley, Yardley Wood and Birmingham Central are all done apart from the 2 mentioned above. Perry Barr may have been completed, I have not seen enough of their 42**s yet to see. I think all the OmniLinks are done, and the Enviro400s are
West Bromwich, Walsall and Pensnett have not had any done yet, but Walsall and Pensnett have more of their buses in NX livery
I didn't think the mercs would get done?
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
I would say West Bromwich, with their 42**s, O405Ns, and Darts.
Wolverhampton, Coventry, Bordesley, Yardley Wood and Birmingham Central are all done apart from the 2 mentioned above. Perry Barr may have been completed, I have not seen enough of their 42**s yet to see. I think all the OmniLinks are done, and the Enviro400s are
West Bromwich, Walsall and Pensnett have not had any done yet, but Walsall and Pensnett have more of their buses in NX livery
Still some omnilinks at PB to do, I think it was 1839 I saw yesterday still to do
Think 4329,4331 and 4332 still have TWM logos aswell
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 19, 2013, 10:44:02 PM
Think 4329,4331 and 4332 still have TWM logos aswell
None of Walsall's have been done yet
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
I would say West Bromwich, with their 42**s, O405Ns, and Darts.
Wolverhampton, Coventry, Bordesley, Yardley Wood and Birmingham Central are all done apart from the 2 mentioned above. Perry Barr may have been completed, I have not seen enough of their 42**s yet to see. I think all the OmniLinks are done, and the Enviro400s are
West Bromwich, Walsall and Pensnett have not had any done yet, but Walsall and Pensnett have more of their buses in NX livery
I thought WB was one of the first to be done? As I thought Uniquicity had raised it with NXOD that a Merc (1592) had been missed?
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:44:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 19, 2013, 10:44:02 PM
Think 4329,4331 and 4332 still have TWM logos aswell
None of Walsall's have been done yet
Well 4125-38 (Ones in TWM livery) already have NX logos and 4330 is in NX livery
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 19, 2013, 10:54:45 PM
Well 4125-38 (Ones in TWM livery) already have NX logos and 4330 is in NX livery
Only on the sides, only because of carrying the green 51 branding, most still have TWM logos on the front red panel (they have not been done properly, like the Central ex-Pershore Road branded Tridents). None of Walsall's TWM liveried Tridents have NXWM logos all round
Quote from: Winston on October 19, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
I would say West Bromwich, with their 42**s, O405Ns, and Darts.
Wolverhampton, Coventry, Bordesley, Yardley Wood and Birmingham Central are all done apart from the 2 mentioned above. Perry Barr may have been completed, I have not seen enough of their 42**s yet to see. I think all the OmniLinks are done, and the Enviro400s are
West Bromwich, Walsall and Pensnett have not had any done yet, but Walsall and Pensnett have more of their buses in NX livery
I thought WB was one of the first to be done? As I thought Uniquicity had raised it with NXOD that a Merc (1592) had been missed?
Only the NX liveried buses were done at WB (apart from 1592), not the TWM liveried ones
Quote from: uniquicity on October 19, 2013, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 19, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 10:08:06 PM
Thought they were still a few that needed to be done at BC, so whats the garage then with the most buses still with TWM logos ? If BC have only 1 left
I would say West Bromwich, with their 42**s, O405Ns, and Darts.
Wolverhampton, Coventry, Bordesley, Yardley Wood and Birmingham Central are all done apart from the 2 mentioned above. Perry Barr may have been completed, I have not seen enough of their 42**s yet to see. I think all the OmniLinks are done, and the Enviro400s are
West Bromwich, Walsall and Pensnett have not had any done yet, but Walsall and Pensnett have more of their buses in NX livery
I thought WB was one of the first to be done? As I thought Uniquicity had raised it with NXOD that a Merc (1592) had been missed?
Only the NX liveried buses were done at WB (apart from 1592), not the TWM liveried ones
Fair enough, I knew you'd mentioned some had been done
4633 was on the 957 today and it was my bus into Birmingham this morning :)
I think the 07:15 BC 9 from Halesowen goes onto the 60 later on in the morning as I seen 4620 operating the 07:15 today and then around 11am at Yardley I seen 4620 again this time on the 10:50 60 ex Cranes Park
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 22, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
I think the 07:15 BC 9 from Halesowen goes onto the 60 later on in the morning as I seen 4620 operating the 07:15 today and then around 11am at Yardley I seen 4620 again this time on the 10:50 60 ex Cranes Park
That 9 board BC runs is Garage - Garage, so most likely that 60 is a late leaver from garage or a change bus.
4445 did the 7:24 9 from Halesowen this morning, then saw it on the 14 this evening, is this just another coincidence?
Anyone know why these BC 829 journeys, which the 9s become, now operate along Hagley Road, Sandon Road (then presumably City Road, Portland Road?) to St Paul's School, instead of directly along Hagley Road then Portland Road as per the 127/8/9, like they always used to?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 22, 2013, 10:31:26 PM
4445 did the 7:24 9 from Halesowen this morning, then saw it on the 14 this evening, is this just another coincidence?
Matt. Once 4445 has finished its portion on the 9, it'll go back to garage and then it'll be allocated work on an afternoon peak board, or given as a change bus. Unless it has been allocated a short working to get it back to garage for a VI or other work.
Quote from: Mike K on October 22, 2013, 10:35:48 PM
Anyone know why these BC 829 journeys, which the 9s become, now operate along Hagley Road, Sandon Road (then presumably City Road, Portland Road?) to St Paul's School, instead of directly along Hagley Road then Portland Road as per the 127/8/9, like they always used to?
Isn't there still roadworks there? I may have my wires crossed as I know there was issues with St Paul's direct route as there was roadworks.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 22, 2013, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 22, 2013, 10:31:26 PM
4445 did the 7:24 9 from Halesowen this morning, then saw it on the 14 this evening, is this just another coincidence?
Matt. Once 4445 has finished its portion on the 9, it'll go back to garage and then it'll be allocated work on an afternoon peak board, or given as a change bus. Unless it has been allocated a short working to get it back to garage for a VI or other work.
I thought that was the case, just checking.
BC must now operate a 35 aswell as a 50 because 4631 was operating on the 35 today as me and Joe (trident4370) both seen it :) thats why 4154 was on the 35 yesterday
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 23, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
BC now operate a 35 aswell as a 50 4631 was operating on the 35 today as me and Joe (trident4370) both seen it :)
I know its not the case but...
How badly run is YW & AG if BC are helping them out all the time!! #flaming
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 23, 2013, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 23, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
BC now operate a 35 aswell as a 50 4631 was operating on the 35 today as me and Joe (trident4370) both seen it :)
I know its not the case but...
How badly run is YW & AG if BC are helping them out all the time!! #flaming
I think YW are short of vehicles and AG were losing milage on the 11 if I've heard that correctly :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 23, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 23, 2013, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 23, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
BC now operate a 35 aswell as a 50 4631 was operating on the 35 today as me and Joe (trident4370) both seen it :)
I know its not the case but...
How badly run is YW & AG if BC are helping them out all the time!! #flaming
I think YW are short of vehicles and AG were losing milage on the 11 if I've heard that correctly :)
I know mate hence my previous sentence.
But what got me was when Tony stated that the 11 is a BC bus, AG route and PB driver! As always, you can rely on BC to help you out..
has anyone seen 804 today ?
One thing I did notice about 4631 is that it again had YW Matrix (unlike the BC 11 which has BC programming), and a definite YW driver, it also appeared to leave Hawkesley NIS. Also saw 4111 on the 11E this morning so that is back at AG, could be that the drivers are borrowing a different vehicle each morning and setting it all up at YW? Only thing to contradict this would be that 4631 was on the same board as 4154 yesterday.
Is BC going to be operating journeys on the 72 when the new timetables start then?
As far as I know! the 72 and 72E will still be AG
I can't work out the exact figures, but as the 72 gets an overall frequency decrease to 30 minutes, while the 71 gets an increase to 15 minutes, as well as the extra short workings as 72E, I think overall there might not be that much of a PVR increase.
Just came about because looking at the new TT, it looked like the 70 was either going to interwork with the 72 in the city or get quite a long layover time.
The old 590 used to have long layover time. They were usually parked up opposite The Black Horse on Jennens Road.
Remember almost 30 mins, and at some point i'm sure used to be near the town hall Paradise circle or could be imagining that.
Didn't see any Central vehicles on the 35 today so that business seems to have stopped already. 4148 was today's 11.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 25, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
Remember almost 30 mins, and at some point i'm sure used to be near the town hall Paradise circle or could be imagining that.
Yes, it was extended to Paradise Circus for a time so it could park up out of the way
Don't know how to put it right in terms of sentence but I'll try my best.
Basically it's about the dead mileage on 22/3, when they start running on evening timetables, buses terminates at Kitwell and Woodgate instead at City centre and they have to drive all the the way to BC garage as NIS. It's been going on like this long time and would like to see operate as final daytime journey to city.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 27, 2013, 01:34:28 AM
Don't know how to put it right in terms of sentence but I'll try my best.
Basically it's about the dead mileage on 22/3, when they start running on evening timetables, buses terminates at Kitwell and Woodgate instead at City centre and they have to drive all the the way to BC garage as NIS. It's been going on like this long time and would like to see operate as final daytime journey to city.
I think I know what you're getting at and there are certainly a number of examples not just at BC of this, for instance there are quite a few 18's which run dead from YW to Bartley Green and visa versa which on the face of it could go back in service. However the main problem with doing this is the drivers duty, we are paid 7hrs 36 minutes (38 hours a week) a day regardless of how long the duty actually is, the idea being that on average the duties must come to 7hrs 36 mins or slightly below, if you decided to run those 22/23's back in service its inevitably going to result in a longer duty as its going to take more time to go back in service to Colmore Row and then dead to BC than it would to go straight to BC which would likely push the average over 7hrs 36 mins.
What you're suggesting does already happen to a certain extent if you look at the 22/3 timetable the night frequency of every 15 minutes doesn't really kick in going into town till after 8 o'clock so there already will be quite a few which will terminate in town then run back to the garage, compare that to the YW 6 where the night frequency of every 20 minutes kicks in going into town from Solihull just after half 6.
Hope this helps!
Saw 4152 today. It has lost its LED display for a normal Dot Matrix one, as seen here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10514312384/
I wonder if it had 4368s Dot Matrix...
seemed strange seeing a 70E in Birmingham today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4318.html
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2013, 09:09:23 PM
seemed strange seeing a 70E in Birmingham today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4318.html
Its going to be strange to see Tridents at The Radley's especially BC Tridents as the last time Tridents went to The Radleys they was operating on the 69 and they were YW Tridents I'll be having a ride on the 70 tomorrow from Sheldon to Birmingham but I'm glad Tridents are operating on the 70 :)
That interesting according to NXWM website the 70 will be run by BC & PB. So crap old buses all the way then, ha ha.
http://nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/B070/?timetable[day]=&tab=
Know anything about this yet?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 27, 2013, 10:20:02 PM
That interesting according to NXWM website the 70 will be run by BC & PB. So crap old buses all the way then, ha ha.
http://nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/B070/?timetable[day]=&tab=
Know anything about this yet?
Now that I didn't know ??? I'll keep an eye out for any PB Buses tomorrow that will be interesting ;)
Mind you could just be the school journeys or the peak extra's.
Buses on the 70 Today
4170, 4171, 4182, 4185, 4188, 4326, 4617, 4624 (70E), 4634
Also 4148 is on the 900 and 4367 is on the 957 today :D
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
Buses on the 70 Today
4170, 4171, 4182, 4185, 4188, 4326, 4617, 4624 (70E), 4634
Also 4148 is on the 900 and 4367 is on the 957 today :D
Do you know what was on the 72E? ;)
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
Buses on the 70 Today
4170, 4171, 4182, 4185, 4188, 4326, 4617, 4624 (70E), 4634
Also 4148 is on the 900 and 4367 is on the 957 today :D
Do you know what was on the 72E? ;)
The 72E is operated by AG and using B7's :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
Buses on the 70 Today
4170, 4171, 4182, 4185, 4188, 4326, 4617, 4624 (70E), 4634
Also 4148 is on the 900 and 4367 is on the 957 today :D
Do you know what was on the 72E? ;)
The 72E is operated by AG and using B7's :)
Not sure if this is a silly question however how do these buses turn around now since the little slip road was filled in (and still serve the heathland avenue stop on the other side). I only as this because the 94 when they have short journey to castle brom the term at the Clock Garage which makes sense.
It's a really random question out of the blue, but I was thinking about it earlier. Why is it that the 56 is the only service operated by NXWM to my knowledge exclusively for evenings and Sundays?
What is there special about the 56 route that makes it needed? Is it to still provide a service to Kingshurst on evenings and Sundays as the 59 stops? But then, it operated when the 54 existed and I'm pretty sure that ran quite late. Also, the 55 runs very very close to the Kingshurst terminus so it still doesn't make that much sense. Or is it just to add extra frequency to the Washwood Heath corridor? But if that's the case then why only the Washwood Heath corridor and not others in the West Midlands?
Quote from: JB93 on October 28, 2013, 02:39:10 PM
It's a really random question out of the blue, but I was thinking about it earlier. Why is it that the 56 is the only service operated by NXWM to my knowledge exclusively for evenings and Sundays?
What is there special about the 56 route that makes it needed? Is it to still provide a service to Kingshurst on evenings and Sundays as the 59 stops? But then, it operated when the 54 existed and I'm pretty sure that ran quite late. Also, the 55 runs very very close to the Kingshurst terminus so it still doesn't make that much sense. Or is it just to add extra frequency to the Washwood Heath corridor? But if that's the case then why only the Washwood Heath corridor and not others in the West Midlands?
I'm not overly familiar with that part of Birmingham, but I guess the main reason was many years ago, when Evening & Sunday buses weren't as popular it essentially merged two daytime services together to provide a less-direct service to more areas in order to make the route economically viable.
Up until recent Network Reviews they used to be fairly common - for instance in the Walsall area you had the 332 route, which was a cross-over of the 331 & 335/6, the 372/373 (which covered the 302 & 329 routes) & the 344 (which covered parts of the 346 & 348 routes). I guess now they believe there is enough patronage to run those routes individually, therefore enabling a more direct journey for passengers & a simpler network.
56 fills in for the bear eve's service on the castle brom - city corridor and previously a tendered service a merger of the old 93/92.
So part from City - c brom commercial
cbrom - kingshurt was under subsidy.
nxwm,s 90 route renumbered to 70 and extended route Birmingham-Solihull and back what bus type will be allocated for it e.g scania omnilink
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1861.555
thanks winston
I suspect from Heathland Av,along Bradford Road & left at Hall Rd & around the island by Castle Bromwich Hall.Will check tomorrow when I walk the dog.
Not sure if this is a silly question however how do these buses turn around now since the little slip road was filled in (and still serve the heathland avenue stop on the other side). I only as this because the 94 when they have short journey to castle brom the term at the Clock Garage which makes sense.
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Quote from: broma1k on October 28, 2013, 06:32:32 PM
I suspect from Heathland Av,along Bradford Road & left at Hall Rd & around the island by Castle Bromwich Hall.Will check tomorrow when I walk the dog.
Not sure if this is a silly question however how do these buses turn around now since the little slip road was filled in (and still serve the heathland avenue stop on the other side). I only as this because the 94 when they have short journey to castle brom the term at the Clock Garage which makes sense.
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You would struggle to U-turn a bus around that mini island
That's what i thought, so assuming must do a left down heathland av and turn at buckland end but seems a bit far in wasted built up mileage.
Quote from: JB93 on October 28, 2013, 02:39:10 PM
It's a really random question out of the blue, but I was thinking about it earlier. Why is it that the 56 is the only service operated by NXWM to my knowledge exclusively for evenings and Sundays?
What is there special about the 56 route that makes it needed? Is it to still provide a service to Kingshurst on evenings and Sundays as the 59 stops? But then, it operated when the 54 existed and I'm pretty sure that ran quite late. Also, the 55 runs very very close to the Kingshurst terminus so it still doesn't make that much sense. Or is it just to add extra frequency to the Washwood Heath corridor? But if that's the case then why only the Washwood Heath corridor and not others in the West Midlands?
The 56 was the evening and Sunday alternative to the 54 also
Did anyone find out what the 70 interworks with
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
Did anyone find out what the 70 interworks with
It doesn't
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Nathan. Its a 4hour round trip. What exactly do you expect?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 28, 2013, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Nathan. Its a 4hour round trip. What exactly do you expect?
where does it layover?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Would have thought, the layover would have been in Solihull myself than town, didn't know it was that long to be honest
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Does any NXWM route beat the 241's evening/Sunday layover in Halesowen of 35 minutes?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Does any NXWM route beat the 241's evening/Sunday layover in Halesowen of 35 minutes?
Would the 241 have previously interworked with a service no longer operated by NX?
I saw a 70E this afternoon, displaying 70E on the front and back displays, but the side still showed 90E.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/10545159353/
Quote from: Westy on October 28, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Does any NXWM route beat the 241's evening/Sunday layover in Halesowen of 35 minutes?
Would the 241 have previously interworked with a service no longer operated by NX?
No, I think you are thinking of the 244, which previously interworked with the 243 at Dudley. The 241 still interworks with the 140 at Dudley.
Random question but has the Trident 11 board stopped running as I haven't seen it for the last 2 days now, or does it not run during the holidays?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 28, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Does any NXWM route beat the 241's evening/Sunday layover in Halesowen of 35 minutes?
Would the 241 have previously interworked with a service no longer operated by NX?
No, I think you are thinking of the 244, which previously interworked with the 243 at Dudley. The 241 still interworks with the 140 at Dudley.
Didn't NXWM used to operate the 417 between Halesowen & Hayley Green at night? Don't think that it interworked with the 241, sure a PE Solo used to operate it.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 29, 2013, 08:57:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: Westy on October 28, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 28, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2013, 10:29:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 28, 2013, 10:20:30 PM
So it gets a 23 minute layover in Town (: longest layover I've known
Several evening peak journeys on the 14 get even longer at Pine Square, up to 29 minutes. The old 590 used to get 28 in City every trip
Does any NXWM route beat the 241's evening/Sunday layover in Halesowen of 35 minutes?
Would the 241 have previously interworked with a service no longer operated by NX?
No, I think you are thinking of the 244, which previously interworked with the 243 at Dudley. The 241 still interworks with the 140 at Dudley.
Didn't NXWM used to operate the 417 between Halesowen & Hayley Green at night? Don't think that it interworked with the 241, sure a PE Solo used to operate it.
If I recall correctly. the 417 NXWM Evening service was operated by them following the Dudley Network Review in April 2008, and it always interworked with the 241 during it's Halesowen layover.
Anyone know if there have been changes to or mergers of the Harborne and Weoley Castle rotas at BC? Noticed a few 22/23 drivers driving the 24 or 29 this week and one or two vice versa.
Could just be covering for holidays with it being school half term I suppose.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 28, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 28, 2013, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 11:29:28 AM
Buses on the 70 Today
4170, 4171, 4182, 4185, 4188, 4326, 4617, 4624 (70E), 4634
Also 4148 is on the 900 and 4367 is on the 957 today :D
Do you know what was on the 72E? ;)
The 72E is operated by AG and using B7's :)
Not sure if this is a silly question however how do these buses turn around now since the little slip road was filled in (and still serve the heathland avenue stop on the other side). I only as this because the 94 when they have short journey to castle brom the term at the Clock Garage which makes sense.
All the way out of service down the bradford road past the bardford arms, turns left onto Chester Road just before the shopping centre; through the Green via Chester Road and down Hall Road. Seems like a lot of wasted mileage over the course of a day/ week bla bla. Wouldn't it be easier to just turn at Clock Garage or do the regulators have rules about buses staying too long at bus stops etc.
14 Branded 4167 today being towed up Kings Heath High Street on a Mansfield Lorry.
The proposed 957W to Jaguar Land Rover actually runs as 957E. Didn't know the 957 ran anywere by Jaguar
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
The proposed 957W to Jaguar Land Rover actually runs as 957E. Didn't know the 957 ran anywere by Jaguar
It goes right past the one entrance to Jaguar/Land Rover on Lode Lane
That just shows how much attention I pay when out an about. Never noticed it
Quote from: Mike K on October 30, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Anyone know if there have been changes to or mergers of the Harborne and Weoley Castle rotas at BC? Noticed a few 22/23 drivers driving the 24 or 29 this week and one or two vice versa.
Could just be covering for holidays with it being school half term I suppose.
Merged temporarily for 3months test period.
Nice spot there Mike.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2013, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Mike K on October 30, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Anyone know if there have been changes to or mergers of the Harborne and Weoley Castle rotas at BC? Noticed a few 22/23 drivers driving the 24 or 29 this week and one or two vice versa.
Could just be covering for holidays with it being school half term I suppose.
Merged temporarily for 3months test period.
Nice spot there Mike.
What's the 'new' rota called LS? Harborne would make sense as all the services go there.
I guess Weoley Castle dates back to the days of the 21/29 and before the 24 was added. 24 and Weoley Castle just don't go together for me.
Quote from: Mike K on October 30, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2013, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Mike K on October 30, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
Anyone know if there have been changes to or mergers of the Harborne and Weoley Castle rotas at BC? Noticed a few 22/23 drivers driving the 24 or 29 this week and one or two vice versa.
Could just be covering for holidays with it being school half term I suppose.
Merged temporarily for 3months test period.
Nice spot there Mike.
What's the 'new' rota called LS? Harborne would make sense as all the services go there.
I guess Weoley Castle dates back to the days of the 21/29 and before the 24 was added. 24 and Weoley Castle just don't go together for me.
'Harborne Combined'
- Yes from what I remember it was 21/29 from when YW had them for a period.. and the 103 was on the Quinton rota if I recall? Anyone knows for sure feel free to correct me.
2128, 2145 and 2150 on 22/23 tonight. No sign of any deckers. Looks like the 22/23 has followed in the 'footsteps' of the 24.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
2128, 2145 and 2150 on 22/23 tonight. No sign of any deckers. Looks like the 22/23 has followed in the 'footsteps' of the 24.
I really don't see why, unless they do journeys on the 29? The Bristol and Pershore are better candidates for single deck night conversion due to the volume of "undesirables" of a night - in addition it should cut the fraud as the scum have nowhere to run! Gotta love the single deckers. I've gotten a hatred for deckers at the moment due to the abuse of the upper saloon.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
2128, 2145 and 2150 on 22/23 tonight. No sign of any deckers. Looks like the 22/23 has followed in the 'footsteps' of the 24.
I really don't see why, unless they do journeys on the 29? The Bristol and Pershore are better candidates for single deck night conversion due to the volume of "undesirables" of a night - in addition it should cut the fraud as the scum have nowhere to run! Gotta love the single deckers. I've gotten a hatred for deckers at the moment due to the abuse of the upper saloon.
You could understand the B7RLE also being more fuel efficient against standard double deckers, but obviously not against the hybrids on the 22/23
Any reason why have seen another 70 displaying 90 to Chelmsley Wood, this evening? Is this to do with the programming of the blinds, just curious?
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 11:48:14 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2013, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 11:36:32 PM
2128, 2145 and 2150 on 22/23 tonight. No sign of any deckers. Looks like the 22/23 has followed in the 'footsteps' of the 24.
I really don't see why, unless they do journeys on the 29? The Bristol and Pershore are better candidates for single deck night conversion due to the volume of "undesirables" of a night - in addition it should cut the fraud as the scum have nowhere to run! Gotta love the single deckers. I've gotten a hatred for deckers at the moment due to the abuse of the upper saloon.
You could understand the B7RLE also being more fuel efficient against standard double deckers, but obviously not against the hybrids on the 22/23
Well that's right Winstonian, so I can only expect that the 'single decker boards' do a trip on the 29. Interestingly, there is a 22/xx board only on the 29. No
Harborne work at all..
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 01, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Any reason why have seen another 70 displaying 90 to Chelmsley Wood, this evening? Is this to do with the programming of the blinds, just curious?
Rear display?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 01, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Any reason why have seen another 70 displaying 90 to Chelmsley Wood, this evening? Is this to do with the programming of the blinds, just curious?
Rear display?
I was in the car but the front displayed 90 to C wood instead of 70 E and the side had 90 to C wood. Is that the driver more likely then?
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but in case nobody has - 4315 is back at BC
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 01, 2013, 08:10:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 01, 2013, 07:48:55 PM
Any reason why have seen another 70 displaying 90 to Chelmsley Wood, this evening? Is this to do with the programming of the blinds, just curious?
Rear display?
I was in the car but the front displayed 90 to C wood instead of 70 E and the side had 90 to C wood. Is that the driver more likely then?
I recall seeing a 590 at least a year after it was changed back to 90! Was hoping for a 161 to relive some memories!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 01, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but in case nobody has - 4315 is back at BC
No, know one has, so thanks!
Did BC need extra buses for the 70 changes after all?
4218 is at the paintshop and will return to BC
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
4218 is at the paintshop and will return to BC
Thanks for that Dylan. Was it one of the 2 behind the people in the picture
Quote from: John on November 01, 2013, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
4218 is at the paintshop and will return to BC
Thanks for that Dylan. Was it one of the 2 behind the people in the picture
no
Quote from: John on November 01, 2013, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
4218 is at the paintshop and will return to BC
Thanks for that Dylan. Was it one of the 2 behind the people in the picture
The main one we are all stood in front of is WB 4290, the one in the right-hand corner is WN 4581
4218 was all masked up, it didn't look far off entering the spray booth
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 08:32:25 PM
The main one we are all stood in front of is WB 4290, the one in the right-hand corner is WN 4581
4218 was all masked up, it didn't look far off entering the spray booth
Thanks Winston
There's a B5 on the 22/23 tonight
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
There's a B5 on the 22/23 tonight
Isn't that the usual allocation ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 02, 2013, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
There's a B5 on the 22/23 tonight
Isn't that the usual allocation ;)
I thought it was single decked of a night? Maybe not on Saturdays
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 02, 2013, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 02, 2013, 09:58:15 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 02, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
There's a B5 on the 22/23 tonight
Isn't that the usual allocation ;)
I thought it was single decked of a night? Maybe not on Saturdays
It's now single deckers on evenings Rob.
There's at least one B7 on there too though LS
How come 4315 transferred back to Central from Yardley Wood. Do they need an extra Trident with the 70 changes? Or is it to do with past rumors that were floating around?
Just a couple of questions about the 70 as I haven't had the time to try out the route yet. Does it take the same way as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Marston Green, via Berwicks Lane, or does it take Moorend Avenue with the 14? Does it serve Marston Green Station with the 72? Also, does it go into Solihull Station or does it terminate at the town centre?
Quote from: JB93 on November 05, 2013, 03:21:33 PM
Just a couple of questions about the 70 as I haven't had the time to try out the route yet. Does it take the same way as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Marston Green, via Berwicks Lane, or does it take Moorend Avenue with the 14? Also, does it go into Solihull Station or does it terminate at the town centre?
It does the same route as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 05, 2013, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: JB93 on November 05, 2013, 03:21:33 PM
Just a couple of questions about the 70 as I haven't had the time to try out the route yet. Does it take the same way as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Marston Green, via Berwicks Lane, or does it take Moorend Avenue with the 14? Also, does it go into Solihull Station or does it terminate at the town centre?
It does the same route as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull :)
Thanks :) I would have thought the low trees along the Coleshill Road would be an issue for a double decker. I'm sure I heard an AG driver talking about driving a double decker on the 72 once and he thought the front windows on the top deck were going to come through.
Quote from: JB93 on November 05, 2013, 03:29:24 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 05, 2013, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: JB93 on November 05, 2013, 03:21:33 PM
Just a couple of questions about the 70 as I haven't had the time to try out the route yet. Does it take the same way as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Marston Green, via Berwicks Lane, or does it take Moorend Avenue with the 14? Also, does it go into Solihull Station or does it terminate at the town centre?
It does the same route as the 72 between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull :)
Thanks :) I would have thought the low trees along the Coleshill Road would be an issue for a double decker. I'm sure I heard an AG driver talking about driving a double decker on the 72 once and he thought the front windows on the top deck were going to come through.
Solihull council have trimmed them all
Double-decks used to be commonplace on the 72 before, but it might not have gone down Coleshill Road previously, can't be sure.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2013, 08:29:29 PM
Double-decks used to be commonplace on the 72 before, but it might not have gone down Coleshill Road previously, can't be sure.
The 71 used to go down Coleshill Road the 72 went the same way as the 14 when Deckers were operating it :)
This was after the changes were made. At this point the 72 did go down Coleshill Road and it was on a Sunday they'd had a double on there. I overheard a conversation between some drivers at Solihull Station.
Is 4900 where it should be or off doing the 59 ? thanks
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
Is 4900 where it should be or off doing the 59 ? thanks
4900 is where it should be ;) I seen it this morning on Airport 900's :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
Is 4900 where it should be or off doing the 59 ? thanks
4900 is where it should be ;) I seen it this morning on Airport 900's :)
Thanks rob, will now venture out into town to find it ;D as soon as school hour has finished :D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
Is 4900 where it should be or off doing the 59 ? thanks
4900 is where it should be ;) I seen it this morning on Airport 900's :)
Thanks rob, will now venture out into town to find it ;D as soon as school hour has finished :D
If I've got my journey times correctly 4900 should work the 16:50 to the Airport :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
Is 4900 where it should be or off doing the 59 ? thanks
4900 is where it should be ;) I seen it this morning on Airport 900's :)
Thanks rob, will now venture out into town to find it ;D as soon as school hour has finished :D
If I've got my journey times correctly 4900 should work the 16:50 to the Airport :)
So if its running on time, it should leave the Airport at 16:00 before taking up the full 900 to coventry :D, rob thanks a million
Sophie must have replaced 4900, then again, waiting till 16:49 when it turned up an it was sophie (4907) so left =D possibly it was the next one but didn't wait to find out, ill try catch it tomorrow on my return from my sisters hopefully :D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 04:58:53 PM
Sophie must have replaced 4900, then again, waiting till 16:49 when it turned up an it was sophie (4907) so left =D possibly it was the next one but didn't wait to find out, ill try catch it tomorrow on my return from my sisters hopefully :D
Sorry! about that Nath I thought it would've worked the 16:50 because I seen 4900 arriving into Birmingham to work the 10:50 to Airport then it would be every 1hr 30mins before it works the next journey I'll look out for 4900 tomorrow for you while I'm looking out for PB's New Arrivals :) Sorry once again mate
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 06:25:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 04:58:53 PM
Sophie must have replaced 4900, then again, waiting till 16:49 when it turned up an it was sophie (4907) so left =D possibly it was the next one but didn't wait to find out, ill try catch it tomorrow on my return from my sisters hopefully :D
Sorry! about that Nath I thought it would've worked the 16:50 because I seen 4900 arriving into Birmingham to work the 10:50 to Airport then it would be every 1hr 30mins before it works the next journey I'll look out for 4900 tomorrow for you while I'm looking out for PB's New Arrivals :) Sorry once again mate
Dont aplogies, its alright rob, I was heading into town anyway so was going to snap it whilst there but it wasnt the one, so not to worry, and thanks
4186 towed back to garage from Northfield last night (8/11/13).
2141 on 50 this afternoon, I believe on 50/99.
Quote from: trident4370 on November 18, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
2141 on 50 this afternoon, I believe on 50/99.
:shock:
That one is baron for E400's only. Of the strictest order! That was a rare spot indeed.
Wish I'd got a pic now :(
Quote from: trident4370 on November 18, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
Wish I'd got a pic now :(
I hope someone else has managed to get a snap!
You do sometimes get a few spotters on Moor St. around that time so fingers crossed ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 18, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
2141 on 50 this afternoon, I believe on 50/99.
:shock:
That one is baron for E400's only. Of the strictest order! That was a rare spot indeed.
I'd love the idea that someone in the garage occasionally thinks to themselves "f*** it, let's have some fun and mess with the spotter's minds for a bit"
Anyone else noticed the flames on the 900/957 branding, but 934/5/6 don't (:
4439 is having a day on the 900 today rode on it from Parkhill Drive back to Sheldon noticed it heading into Coventry while I was heading out of Coventry on 4907 so I got off 4907 at Parkhill Drive and waited for 4439 ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 19, 2013, 11:41:40 AM
4439 is having a day on the 900 today rode on it from Parkhill Drive back to Sheldon noticed it heading into Coventry while I was heading out of Coventry on 4907 so I got off 4907 at Parkhill Drive and waited for 4439 ;)
Nice to see the 44's bringing it back home :)
Is The 24 now hybrid ran Saturday an Sunday or is it a one off as The 24 has had nearly all journeys ran using hybrids with 4902/04 on there whilst The 22/3 has had tridents with very few hybrids ?
Sundays is usually fully hybrid on the 24.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 23, 2013, 04:49:50 PM
Is The 24 now hybrid ran Saturday an Sunday or is it a one off as The 24 has had nearly all journeys ran using hybrids with 4902/04 on there whilst The 22/3 has had tridents with very few hybrids ?
How can the 24 be nearly all Hybrid if 4902/4 are on there? I was in Birmingham Central earlier today and they had booked the correct vehicles out on all routes. The 24 is supposed to get spare unbranded Enviros and spare Hybrids. Any non-hybrids on the 22/23 are down to vehicle changes
Just found this picture of 1560 on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/9690278933/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/9690278933/in/photostream/)
Nice pic of 1560:-)...looks so smart. Wonder if the low fleet number location was typical back in the late 90s or was this a one off?
Quote from: craighu on November 27, 2013, 07:12:39 PM
Nice pic of 1560:-)...looks so smart. Wonder if the low fleet number location was typical back in the late 90s or was this a one off?
Seems rather low to me.
I'm sure they were below the windows
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: craighu on November 27, 2013, 07:12:39 PM
Nice pic of 1560:-)...looks so smart. Wonder if the low fleet number location was typical back in the late 90s or was this a one off?
Seems rather low to me.
Some Foleshill Road O405Ns at Coventry also had the fleetnumber in that position when new in the 'patchwork' livery, looking at my photo collection. 1541, 1543, 1544, 1547, 1548, 1550 and 1551 are ones I have. 1560 appears to be the only 'Network Harborne' branded O405N with the fleetnumber in this position
Quote from: craighu on November 27, 2013, 07:12:39 PM
Nice pic of 1560:-)...looks so smart. Wonder if the low fleet number location was typical back in the late 90s or was this a one off?
It would be almost brand new in that picture as it had yet to have the Network Harborne branding applied over the orange stripe. I liked that branding, shame they don't reintroduce something similar for the Harborne corridor routes.
BC are starting to do what PB done with their B7 ALX400's a while back they're repainting the lower body sides 4159 has had this treatment including the rear and 4183 looked as if it had aswell noticed it while waiting for 4154 on the 60
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 28, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
BC are starting to do what PB done with their B7 ALX400's a while back they're repainting the lower body sides 4159 has had this treatment including the rear and 4183 looked as if it had aswell noticed it while waiting for 4154 on the 60
That will smarten them up a bit.
I did see 4183 on Tuesday, it had not been done then, as the NX logo on the front panel is not straight. Did you notice if it was still like that Rob?
Quote from: John on November 28, 2013, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 28, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
BC are starting to do what PB done with their B7 ALX400's a while back they're repainting the lower body sides 4159 has had this treatment including the rear and 4183 looked as if it had aswell noticed it while waiting for 4154 on the 60
That will smarten them up a bit.
I did see 4183 on Tuesday, it had not been done then, as the NX logo on the front panel is not straight. Did you notice if it was still like that Rob?
I think it was still like that John but I'm not 100% on that :)
4368 is on the 957 + 4630 is on the 900 today explains the 900 Enviro 400 on the 9/829 :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 01:30:23 PM
4368 is on the 957 + 4630 is on the 900 today explains the 900 Enviro 400 on the 9/829 :)
I thought this may have been a peak working so didn't take much notice of it
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 29, 2013, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 01:30:23 PM
4368 is on the 957 + 4630 is on the 900 today explains the 900 Enviro 400 on the 9/829 :)
I thought this may have been a peak working so didn't take much notice of it
Was waiting outside Bordesley station, and 4368 went straight past without stopping on the 957, must have been around 5:30pm. Wasn't even full. Got on a 957 Enviro a few minutes later though, and while waiting for the 11 outside the Swan Centre, did see a Trident on a 900E to the Airport, couldn't see which one though, so was probably 4630.
Something else I did see while waiting for the 11, was a 59 showing 'Birmingham' as the destination which arrived at the stop, turfed off two passengers and then changed to 'Not In Service' before turning onto the Coventry Road towards the city!
Not sure if this is temporary or they've changed the 58/59/60/900/957 Route out of city but I got on 4625 on the 60 to head back to Sheldon when it left it turned left onto Carrs Lane then Dale End then right onto Albert Street then turn right back onto Moor Street Queensway saw 4912 'Alice' do the same thing
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 30, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
Not sure if this is temporary or they've changed the 58/59/60/900/957 Route out of city but I got on 4625 on the 60 to head back to Sheldon when it left it turned left onto Carrs Lane then Dale End then right onto Albert Street then turn right back onto Moor Street Queensway saw 4912 'Alice' do the same thing
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=673948079316896&set=a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256&type=1
QuoteFrom Saturday, we're diverting some services around car park queues expected in Birmingham City Centre
We expect severe congestion due to car park queues on Park Street in the lead up to Christmas
To ensure Customer satisfaction, the following diversion will be used at weekends for services 58, 59, 60, 900 and 957 from Birmingham
Diversion Route: Moor Street Queensway, left onto Carrs Lane, right to High Street, right onto Dale End, right to Albert Street, right onto Moor Street Queensway, left to Moor Street, right onto Park Street then back to normal line of route
This diversion will take place on the following dates only:
Saturday 30th November 2013 and Sunday 1st December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 7th December 2013 and Sunday 8th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 14th December 2013 and Sunday 15th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 21st December 2013 and Sunday 22nd December - 10:30-17:00
Please note: Stop PA1 in Park Street will be closed during the diversion times - please board service 17 or 97/A/P and change at High Street in Digbeth
Quote from: Stu on November 30, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 30, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
Not sure if this is temporary or they've changed the 58/59/60/900/957 Route out of city but I got on 4625 on the 60 to head back to Sheldon when it left it turned left onto Carrs Lane then Dale End then right onto Albert Street then turn right back onto Moor Street Queensway saw 4912 'Alice' do the same thing
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=673948079316896&set=a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256&type=1
QuoteFrom Saturday, we're diverting some services around car park queues expected in Birmingham City Centre
We expect severe congestion due to car park queues on Park Street in the lead up to Christmas
To ensure Customer satisfaction, the following diversion will be used at weekends for services 58, 59, 60, 900 and 957 from Birmingham
Diversion Route: Moor Street Queensway, left onto Carrs Lane, right to High Street, right onto Dale End, right to Albert Street, right onto Moor Street Queensway, left to Moor Street, right onto Park Street then back to normal line of route
This diversion will take place on the following dates only:
Saturday 30th November 2013 and Sunday 1st December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 7th December 2013 and Sunday 8th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 14th December 2013 and Sunday 15th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 21st December 2013 and Sunday 22nd December - 10:30-17:00
Please note: Stop PA1 in Park Street will be closed during the diversion times - please board service 17 or 97/A/P and change at High Street in Digbeth
Thank You for the info Stu just seemed a bit strange thats all :)
Heard an inspector telling a 97 driver the diversion in City Centre for them - left on priory Queensway, turn at old square and then presumably back onto moor steet.
Explains why I seen a 97 branded on Priory, thought it was on the 14
Quote from: Stu on November 30, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 30, 2013, 03:28:22 PM
Not sure if this is temporary or they've changed the 58/59/60/900/957 Route out of city but I got on 4625 on the 60 to head back to Sheldon when it left it turned left onto Carrs Lane then Dale End then right onto Albert Street then turn right back onto Moor Street Queensway saw 4912 'Alice' do the same thing
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=673948079316896&set=a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256&type=1
QuoteFrom Saturday, we're diverting some services around car park queues expected in Birmingham City Centre
We expect severe congestion due to car park queues on Park Street in the lead up to Christmas
To ensure Customer satisfaction, the following diversion will be used at weekends for services 58, 59, 60, 900 and 957 from Birmingham
Diversion Route: Moor Street Queensway, left onto Carrs Lane, right to High Street, right onto Dale End, right to Albert Street, right onto Moor Street Queensway, left to Moor Street, right onto Park Street then back to normal line of route
This diversion will take place on the following dates only:
Saturday 30th November 2013 and Sunday 1st December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 7th December 2013 and Sunday 8th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 14th December 2013 and Sunday 15th December - 10:30-17:00
Saturday 21st December 2013 and Sunday 22nd December - 10:30-17:00
Please note: Stop PA1 in Park Street will be closed during the diversion times - please board service 17 or 97/A/P and change at High Street in Digbeth
That was happening last Saturday as well, I was wondering why. Thanks for sharing Stu
4218 was out on the 9/829 this morning. 4904 and 4154 are out on the 22/23.
4315 travelled along Vincent Drive this afternoon out of service. Not sure where it was heading.
4442 was having a day on the 900 today and was my bus into Birmingham this morning :D
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 03, 2013, 03:14:08 PM
4442 was having a day on the 900 today and was my bus into Birmingham this morning :D
Both 4895 and 4896 have appeared on the 22/23 or 24 today.
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 03, 2013, 03:14:08 PM
4442 was having a day on the 900 today and was my bus into Birmingham this morning :D
Both 4895 and 4896 have appeared on the 22/23 or 24 today.
There was also a branded 957 on the 22S working this afternoon
4901 (Chloe) must have had its front top deck window replaced as the branding has disappeared and 4913 (Maria) has lost its Green Branding round the Destination Display
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 03, 2013, 03:14:08 PM
4442 was having a day on the 900 today and was my bus into Birmingham this morning :D
Both 4895 and 4896 have appeared on the 22/23 or 24 today.
That Explains 4442's appearance :)
4445 was my bus back from Coventry this evening, the 21:20 900 from Pool Meadow. It was then replaced by 4621 in Digbeth at about 22:30.
4614 out on the 900 this afternoon worked the 13:05 to Coventry :)
4182 having a day on the 957 and 4624 having a day on the 900 today :D Looks like this is becoming a regular occurance which I will welcome ;) and I rode on 4624 to get back to Sheldon on the 10:35 Journey to Coventry
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
I'll keep an eye on every 900 & 957 I see in the next few days just to see which ones that don't during those few days :) today I didn't see 4903 (Lina) or 4906 (Holly May)
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 10, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
I'll keep an eye on every 900 & 957 I see in the next few days just to see which ones that don't during those few days :) today I didn't see 4903 (Lina) or 4906 (Holly May)
Nope; I've seen 4903 today so that's not damaged.
Any ideas?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 11, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 10, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
I'll keep an eye on every 900 & 957 I see in the next few days just to see which ones that don't during those few days :) today I didn't see 4903 (Lina) or 4906 (Holly May)
Nope; I've seen 4903 today so that's not damaged.
Any ideas?
Do you know if they were branded ones or not LS? 4905 on the 24 today so it wasn't that.
Quote from: Mike K on December 11, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 11, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 10, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
I'll keep an eye on every 900 & 957 I see in the next few days just to see which ones that don't during those few days :) today I didn't see 4903 (Lina) or 4906 (Holly May)
Nope; I've seen 4903 today so that's not damaged.
Any ideas?
Do you know if they were branded ones or not LS? 4905 on the 24 today so it wasn't that.
I really couldn't tell you; all I know is they were both on the 900 and one was late so they were running together.
Holly-May spent the day on the 900, seen here twice in Coventry (:
Do BC still do a 11E journey.?
BC don't run the 11E anymore, it was only temporary
Thanks Ash.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
4909 is currently sat in Yardley Wood garage with its rear having some repairs. Could this be one of the victims ?
I saw 4139 for the first time after refurb/repaint. Looks weird seeing such an old Trident so smart next to a battered 46-hundred.
I forgot that 4139 had been refurbished
I saw 2 70E's to Chelmsley Wood yesterday evening. Have the evening E journeys been extended to Chelmsley Wood now or were these just running late? I thought they terminated at Coleshill in the evening.
Quote from: JB93 on December 14, 2013, 06:42:29 PM
I saw 2 70E's to Chelmsley Wood yesterday evening. Have the evening E journeys been extended to Chelmsley Wood now or were these just running late? I thought they terminated at Coleshill in the evening.
70Es run to Chelmsley Wood after the last Solihull journey (leaves Birmingham at 4.50pm), every 30 minutes from 17.20 to 19.20 (from Birmingham). The next journey from Birmingham at 8pm and the rest of the nights journeys terminate at Coleshill.
What runs on the 70Es/56? Is it still Tridents or B7RLE these days?
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 15, 2013, 12:44:47 AM
What runs on the 70Es/56? Is it still Tridents or B7RLE these days?
Tridents. A B7RLE is very rare.
Quote from: YWDriver on December 12, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
4909 is currently sat in Yardley Wood garage with its rear having some repairs. Could this be one of the victims ?
Is the other Enviro 4899 or 4912? as I haven't seen either of them since the collision happened
Quote from: YWDriver on December 12, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
Does anyone know the identitiy of the two E400's of which were involved in a collision with each other either yesterday or Sunday? I heard it was a big big rear end smash but hazy with the details.
4909 is currently sat in Yardley Wood garage with its rear having some repairs. Could this be one of the victims ?
Should be as the one that was hit was on the 957.
The other could well be 4899.
Yesterday I seen 4169 displaying 90 Chelmsley Wood front, back and side ;D, how come this doesn't have 70,
4899 is at Carlyle Bus & Coach. Front end accident damage.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on December 18, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
4899 is at Carlyle Bus & Coach. Front end accident damage.
There we go then! 4899 rear ended 4909 on Coventry Road.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
Yesterday I seen 4169 displaying 90 Chelmsley Wood front, back and side ;D, how come this doesn't have 70,
The destinations must not have been updated.
4169 may have been away for refurb when the 90 changed to the 70, and the destinations not updated when it returned
Quote from: John on December 18, 2013, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
Yesterday I seen 4169 displaying 90 Chelmsley Wood front, back and side ;D, how come this doesn't have 70,
The destinations must not have been updated.
4169 may have been away for refurb when the 90 changed to the 70, and the destinations not updated when it returned
True, but it can't take more than five minutes to update the destination display with the new data. And in a worse-case scenario, what would be wrong with a piece of paper showing '70' taped in the front windscreen? ::)
4435 & 4613 out on the 957 and 4629 out on the 900E today. 4629 was my bus back to Sheldon :)
There was at least 3 tridents on the 957 today. I'd have the Tridents over Enviros any day. But where are the Enviros? Lol
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:30:56 PM
There was at least 3 tridents on the 957 today. I'd have the Tridents over Enviros any day. But where are the Enviros? Lol
V.I's, defective etc... there's 2 OTR.
When 4800-29 were at BC how many services did they appear on other than the Hagley Rd services and if so which routes :)
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
When 4800-29 were at BC how many services did they appear on other than the Hagley Rd services and if so which routes :)
I know 4805 appeared on the 60 when they were at BC :)
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
When 4800-29 were at BC how many services did they appear on other than the Hagley Rd services and if so which routes :)
One made it's way onto the 23 :). Not sure apart from that
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
When 4800-29 were at BC how many services did they appear on other than the Hagley Rd services and if so which routes :)
Usually only on the Harborne services 22 and 23. I never personally saw one on the 24
Quote from: John on December 20, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
When 4800-29 were at BC how many services did they appear on other than the Hagley Rd services and if so which routes :)
Usually only on the Harborne services 22 and 23. I never personally saw one on the 24
4800 to 4804 appeared on the 22/23 on a daily basis. Sundays occasionally saw all 5 of them on the 22/22. I saw one on the 24 only once.
One of the hagley road branded enviros got away with one fulll 900 trip when they were at BC, was swapped for a Trident so I recall
Quote from: Mike K on December 20, 2013, 10:58:29 PM
Quote from: John on December 20, 2013, 10:15:47 PM
Usually only on the Harborne services 22 and 23. I never personally saw one on the 24
4800 to 4804 appeared on the 22/23 on a daily basis...
... and I posted it in the "rarest workings" thread long time ago (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvelorooms.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Ffacepalm.gif&hash=8143a6107f4a041e7a3bbb6137657b1086fc0480)
Anyone know if B7's will be running the 957/22/3/4 tonight ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 27, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
Anyone know if B7's will be running the 957/22/3/4 tonight ?
More than likley.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 27, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
Anyone know if B7's will be running the 957/22/3/4 tonight ?
Crystal ball says yes
This B7RLE allocation on Harborne routes at night seems a totally random thing. The 3 buses I saw tonight on the 22/23 were 4144, 4160 and 5502. Incidentally there were 5 Hybrids (3 x E400 and 2 x B5LH) on the 24 during the day today.
4174 and 4367 are on the 957 today
2137 & 2148 were on all day 957's today :)
Is the 97 running 24/7?
Quote from: Rob4900 on December 31, 2013, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on December 31, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
Is the 97 running 24/7?
Yes the 97 is running 24/7 :)
May I ask what happened on Christmas Day with the 97? (Night Service)
4619 on 97 tonight with its rear lights not working!
Quote from: Nathan on December 31, 2013, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: Rob4900 on December 31, 2013, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on December 31, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
Is the 97 running 24/7?
Yes the 97 is running 24/7 :)
May I ask what happened on Christmas Day with the 97? (Night Service)
According to the NWM timetables it ran all day every day (including last night) except xmas day itself, it does seem to suggest that the 01:xx 02:xx, 03:xx and 04:xx journeys ran on xmas morning though, not really sure on that
4632 having a day on the 957 today worked the 11:37 from Solihull Station which I got on :)
Currently on 4620 working the 09:35 900 to Coventry also 4316 is on the 957
Quote from: Rob H on January 03, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Currently on 4620 working the 09:35 900 to Coventry also 4316 is on the 957
4446 out on the 22 in Broad Street at 11:15.
Quote from: filbus1 on January 03, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
Quote from: Rob H on January 03, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Currently on 4620 working the 09:35 900 to Coventry also 4316 is on the 957
4446 out on the 22 in Broad Street at 11:15.
4429 & 4433 also on the 22/23.
2134 on the 957 this morning seen in Sheldon at 7am heading for Solihull
Are the two bashed Enviro 400s back in service yet?
Quote from: Nathan on January 07, 2014, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 07, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
Are the two bashed Enviro 400s back in service yet?
Don't think they are
No neither 4899 or 4909 have come back yet :) When they do I'll post it on here
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Quote from: Kiewii on January 07, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
Are the two bashed Enviro 400s back in service yet?
4909 was still in the pit in YW as of two days ago. It has had its entire rear end off, seems quite a big job.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Where was this?
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Where was this?
Wasn't it Cotteridge near the school? I think it was 4159 but couldn't be positive.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Was it a severe fire or a small one (Contained to a small area like the engine compartment?)
4629 out on the 957 today
4172 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:05 to Coventry
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 09, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Where was this?
Wasn't it Cotteridge near the school? I think it was 4159 but couldn't be positive.
Saw 4159 in service on the 24 today so probably not that one?
Quote from: uniquicity on January 15, 2014, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 09, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Any one which decker was on fire yesterday tea time just hope
everyone is ok & got out ok
Where was this?
Wasn't it Cotteridge near the school? I think it was 4159 but couldn't be positive.
Saw 4159 in service on the 24 today so probably not that one?
Well as it turns out that was just parked up as there was a police road block at that time. Nothing to do with one of NX vehicles.
Currently on 4435 working the 10:27 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also 4315 & 4429 are on the 900 4315 is currently working the 10:05 to Coventry and 4429 is currently working the 09:40 from Coventry
Currently on 2145 working the 10:42 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also on the 957 are 4148 & 4184 and 4365 & 4617 are on the Airport 900
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Currently on 2145 working the 10:42 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also on the 957 are 4148 & 4184 and 4365 & 4617 are on the Airport 900
2138 was also on 957(:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 20, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Currently on 2145 working the 10:42 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also on the 957 are 4148 & 4184 and 4365 & 4617 are on the Airport 900
2138 was also on 957(:
So that means six E400s off the road/on other routes :o
Quote from: Kiewii on January 20, 2014, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 20, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Currently on 2145 working the 10:42 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also on the 957 are 4148 & 4184 and 4365 & 4617 are on the Airport 900
2138 was also on 957(:
So that means six E400s off the road/on other routes :o
Nothing out of the ordinary with that
Quote from: Kiewii on January 20, 2014, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 20, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Currently on 2145 working the 10:42 957 from Birmingham heading back to Sheldon also on the 957 are 4148 & 4184 and 4365 & 4617 are on the Airport 900
2138 was also on 957(:
So that means six E400s off the road/on other routes :o
Branded Enviros off Route were as follows :-
4895 (900) > 14
4901 (900) > 24
Enviros I seen on the 900 & 957 were as follows :-
900 - 4896/4897/4898/4900/4903/4906
957 - 4912 & 4913
4902 (900), 4904, 4905 4907, 4908, 4910 (957), 4911 (957) unaccounted for with either 4904, 4905, 4907 or 4908 on the 63 :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 04:59:03 PM
4902 (900), 4904, 4905 4907, 4908, 4910 (957), 4911 (957) unaccounted for with either 4904, 4905, 4907 or 4908 on the 63 :)
One of the unbranded E400s was on the 22 this morning
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 20, 2014, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 20, 2014, 04:59:03 PM
4902 (900), 4904, 4905 4907, 4908, 4910 (957), 4911 (957) unaccounted for with either 4904, 4905, 4907 or 4908 on the 63 :)
One of the unbranded E400s was on the 22 this morning
I think it was 4908, saw that passing The Green Man at around 8.30
Today 2130 & 4317 are on the 957 and 4440 & 4630 are on the 900
Also 5509 appeared on the 14E to Tile Cross instead of the usual E200
4447's front left hand indicator has failed noticed it when it came into Chelmsley Wood on the 97P
2152 & 4158 on 957 Today
There was a 957 branded on the 900 on tuesday!
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
I have not yet noticed any at Pensnett.
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
The four I photographed yesterday, 2090, 2099, 2103 & 2154 all have blank black panels there at the moment
I have not yet noticed any at Pensnett.
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
I have not yet noticed any at Pensnett.
I don't think any of AG's B7's have got them yet either but I'm keeping my eyes peeled on every single one of them :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 26, 2014, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
I have not yet noticed any at Pensnett.
I don't think any of AG's B7's have got them yet either but I'm keeping my eyes peeled on every single one of them :)
I'm sure I've seen a couple that have now, certainly last week there were still a couple whizzing around with the old £3.90 vinyl. I've seen both 2106 and 2110 today on the 1, and they don't have anything yet.
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Today I noticed many of Central's B7s have had red "£4 daysaver" stickers applied in the position of the old £3.90 ones. I must say I think these look much better.
Answers my question I asked in another thread about this :) As I posted in WN garage thread, all WN B7's have these applied now. And I have to agree that the new day saver banners look much better than the previous ones
I have not yet noticed any at Pensnett.
I saw a fair few PN B7's with the new £4 day saver ads today in Dudley
Is 4432 still in the Nexus all over advert ? i imagine not but I shall ask anyway as I could be wrong?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 26, 2014, 06:31:32 PM
Is 4432 still in the Nexus all over advert ? i imagine not but I shall ask anyway as I could be wrong?
4432 has a full over wrap for morrisons like 4177(Julie)
2124 & 2138 on 957 Today :)
2129 & 4170 on 957 Duty Today
Also 2 Enviros were out on the 60 Today rather than the usual 1 4903 was on the usual 09:07 ex Cranes Park and 09:46 ex City and then 4907 was on the 10:01 60 to Cranes Park
I saw 4365 this morning driven by an engineer turning off the Ring Road onto Newtown Row this morning, heading out of city. Maybe next refurb??
Quote from: John on January 29, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
I saw 4365 this morning driven by an engineer turning off the Ring Road onto Newtown Row this morning, heading out of city. Maybe next refurb??
Glad you said that as my source says it was having BC engineering attention yesterday.
Saw 2132 on 957 in Solihull town centre heading for the station.
When it reached the station the driver had annoyingly changed the destination to "Sorry Not in Service" >:(.
Bus seemed to be forming 14:27 (RTI said it was going to Solihull ::))
Appreciate driver may have had long layover and wanted to put people off, but it was still annoying although I couldn't be bothered to wait.
Is this one of the usual workings covered by B7?
Quote from: JoNi on January 30, 2014, 09:27:06 PM
Saw 2132 on 957 in Solihull town centre heading for the station.
When it reached the station the driver had annoyingly changed the destination to "Sorry Not in Service" >:(.
Bus seemed to be forming 14:27 (RTI said it was going to Solihull ::))
Appreciate driver may have had long layover and wanted to put people off, but it was still annoying although I couldn't be bothered to wait.
Is this one of the usual workings covered by B7?
What if he wanted to go to the toilet? Sorry JoNi but comments like that annoy the driver in me lol.
EDIT: Just re-read your comments.
And did you clock it as a late night running card? Only late nights are supposed to be single deck.
Saw it while travelling to Solihull Station from Coventry on an 82 and it wasn't possible to hop out in town and take a picture.
I could make a nostalgic comments about days when buses had handwound destination blinds but appreciate modern blinds are easier for drivers to use.
Didn't see the running board as didn't bother to go over to vehicle as I was catching a train. Do 957s still have cumulative layover in Solihull?
Quote from: JoNi on January 30, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
Saw it while travelling to Solihull Station from Coventry on an 82 and it wasn't possible to hop out in town and take a picture.
I could make a nostalgic comments about days when buses had handwound destination blinds but appreciate modern blinds are easier for drivers to use.
Didn't see the running board as didn't bother to go over to vehicle as I was catching a train. Do 957s still have cumulative layover in Solihull?
JoNi, 957 has anywhere between 2 minute layover and 11 minutes; depending on time of day. I'm not discussing early morning/late night runnings, however.
Currently on 4620 working the 10:20 900E to the Airport heading back to Sheldon
Liverpool Street thanks for the reply.
In light of your earlier comments I'll kick off another thread "What should passengers/bus users expect from Bus Drivers"
Quote from: JoNi on February 01, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
Liverpool Street thanks for the reply.
In light of your earlier comments I'll kick off another thread "What should passengers/bus users expect from Bus Drivers"
I think you might start a war with that, JoNi haha
2124 was out on the 957 this morning seen it at The Wheatsheaf heading for Solihull about 07:30 just before I got on 4901
Quote from: Rob H on February 01, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
2124 was out on the 957 this morning seen it at The Wheatsheaf heading for Solihull about 07:30 just before I got on 4901
I don't know what it is; but there's something rather pleasurable about single decked 957's now.
4618 fresh from refurb was towed back to BC from Frankley courtesy of Mansfield and replaced with 4446 last night.
4218 out on 900's Today.
I managed to get a pic of 4218 when I got off in Sheldon working the 10:20 900E to Airport the link is below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12287274835/
If I've worked it out correctly it should work the following journeys if they don't change Buses
From Birmingham
13:20 to Airport
14:50 to Coventry
18:15 to Coventry
From Airport/Coventry
14:03 ex Airport
16:40 ex Coventry
Yes Rob it definately returned to it's "native" Coventry at the time stated.
Quote from: JoNi on February 03, 2014, 08:52:57 PM
Yes Rob it definately returned to it's "native" Coventry at the time stated.
Thank You JoNi :) Sometimes I get the times wrong but I'm glad you seen it :)
4611 & 4632 were out on Airport 900's today (forgot to mention earlier)
Also a rare sighting of a 900 terminating at the Airport from Coventry
4364 out on 957 duty today
Also I seen 4612 out on the 97 looking immaculate unfortunately I couldn't get a pic as I was on 4173 when I seen it
Quote from: Rob H on February 05, 2014, 02:59:59 PM
4364 out on 957 duty today
Also I seen 4612 out on the 97 looking immaculate unfortunately I couldn't get a pic as I was on 4173 when I seen it
2148 was on 957 aswell
Anyone seen 4177 today ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 05, 2014, 04:06:32 PM
Anyone seen 4177 today ?
4177 was out on the Bristol Road Today seen it at Moor Street around 09:20-09:30 while waiting for 4173 on the 60 :)
4627 out on the 957 today currently working the 10:52 ex Solihull
While coming back on 4901 'Chloe' working the 17:47 900 ex Coventry the strong wind was trying to open Chloe's Doors while in motion it tried about 4 times but didn't succeed ;)
4433 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:35 to Coventry and should work the following journeys;
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
4433 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:35 to Coventry and should work the following journeys;
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
4433! Definitely the most elusive bus ever for me. How's it looking? I hope it's not tatty as it's not long been through the refurbishment programme.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
4433 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:35 to Coventry and should work the following journeys;
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
4433! Definitely the most elusive bus ever for me. How's it looking? I hope it's not tatty as it's not long been through the refurbishment programme.
No its not tatty LS ;) I managed to get a pic of 4433 at my local stop for the 900 (towards Airport & Coventry) I'll post the link when I've uploaded it :)
4433 was also on one of the BC 9's this morning passed me on the Hagley Road while aboard 4567 think it worked the 07:25 if I've got the time right :)
Here is the link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12438162814/
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
4433 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:35 to Coventry and should work the following journeys;
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
4433! Definitely the most elusive bus ever for me. How's it looking? I hope it's not tatty as it's not long been through the refurbishment programme.
No its not tatty LS ;) I managed to get a pic of 4433 at my local stop for the 900 (towards Airport & Coventry) I'll post the link when I've uploaded it :)
4433 was also on one of the BC 9's this morning passed me on the Hagley Road while aboard 4567 think it worked the 07:25 if I've got the time right :)
I saw 4623 and 4624 on 900 aswell
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 10, 2014, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
Quote from: Rob H on February 10, 2014, 11:50:01 AM
4433 out on the 900 today currently working the 10:35 to Coventry and should work the following journeys;
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
4433! Definitely the most elusive bus ever for me. How's it looking? I hope it's not tatty as it's not long been through the refurbishment programme.
No its not tatty LS ;) I managed to get a pic of 4433 at my local stop for the 900 (towards Airport & Coventry) I'll post the link when I've uploaded it :)
4433 was also on one of the BC 9's this morning passed me on the Hagley Road while aboard 4567 think it worked the 07:25 if I've got the time right :)
I saw 4623 and 4624 on 900 aswell
I did see a 46xx coming off the Bypass this morning while I was on 4907 but I couldn't get the number so it must have been either 4623 or 4624 I seen then :) Thank You for posting the numbers :)
Another trident on the 900 today :-)
4619 seen in Pool Meadow this morning.
Quote from: JoNi on February 11, 2014, 12:40:33 PM
4619 seen in Pool Meadow this morning.
If I've worked it out correctly 4619 worked and should work the following Journeys;
04:00 Birmingham to Coventry
05:15 Coventry to Birmingham
06:20 Birmingham to Coventry
07:40 Coventry to Birmingham
09:05 Birmingham to Coventry
10:40 Coventry to Birmingham
12:05 Birmingham to Coventry
13:40 Coventry to Birmingham
15:05 Birmingham to Airport
16:00 Airport to Birmingham
16:50 Birmingham to Coventry
18:48 Coventry to Birmingham
I took a pic of 4619 just up the road from the Morrisons Store as it was coming into Coventry to work the 10:40 link is below :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12459228794/
4615 on 957
4610 currently in Coventry Pool Meadow on 900.
Just got off 4615 at Yardley Swan working the 06:43 900 ex Coventry
2144 and 4611 are on todays 957
Currently sat on 4218 on the 70E with Tony driving. He has already rejected at least one lad on Priory Queensway who attempted to board with a pass due to start in April 2014, I think the lad tried to claim it already was April...
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
Well would that look defaced then
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Do you have a photo
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who
really knows the job!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
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Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
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Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
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Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
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Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
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Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
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Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
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Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
Not 100% on topic, but think you may find this interesting (save me having to start a new topic)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26224380
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
I have done BR in December, I must admit I haven't done Pershore Road for years. I still think the 60 is the worst route at BC from a driver and Inspector perspective
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 17, 2014, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
Not 100% on topic, but think you may find this interesting (save me having to start a new topic)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26224380
'4 drivers are attacked or verbally abused' each day?
No, 4 drivers report being attacked or verbally abused, a lot more than that get verbally abused with 8000 buses on the streets of London!
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
I have done BR in December, I must admit I haven't done Pershore Road for years. I still think the 60 is the worst route at BC from a driver and Inspector perspective
You're not the only one to mention that, actually. It seems the Small Heath crowd flock to the 60 and yet leave the 58 and 59? Quite odd if I say so myself. Saying that the 58 and sometimes the 59 don't have an upper deck (Might have something to do with it!)
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:39:52 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 17, 2014, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Why are passes being issued for April now?!
They're not, he had made it himself!
How accurate was his attempt Tony?
would have got past most drivers, but not revenue inspectors. It was basically a copy of last years April to August term plus with the year changed
Does anything get past you, Tony? :D I wish I did some training with you on the buses, someone who really knows the job!
Some does when I'm driving, you know yourself it is impossible to see the printing on some day tickets through those screens, and it is not worth the aggro of calling genuine passengers back for a better look to find the odd old one. It is very rare a dodgy travelcard gets past me, I think Matt saw me refuse about 4 people travel yesterday who did not want to pay!
Do you get much aggro when you confront them, Tone? When I was on the job it'll be near enough 100% will give you lip, spit, racial, fat c*nt, etc etc and if you let them on they go upstairs and smoke drugs! I really want to see you on the Pershore Road (Seems that road has gone down the proverbial!) Worse then the Bristol, my friends have told me. Glad I'm well off it.
I actually get very little. Get called a Jobsworth tw*t and the like, but normally as they are walking off, most off them just try to talk their way past you 'Go on mate, I'm only going a couple of stops' and the like
Ahh, that takes me back. I still want you to have a go on some home grown BR, you'll have an empty bus with the amount on there! And I know you've said it's only 5% or whatever, but it seemed a lot more to be honest.
By the way, is it true the company are asking drivers to confront passengers more? I presume it's just another biased story from a particular driver again...
Not 100% on topic, but think you may find this interesting (save me having to start a new topic)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26224380 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-26224380)
'4 drivers are attacked or verbally abused' each day?
No, 4 drivers report being attacked or verbally abused, a lot more than that get verbally abused with 8000 buses on the streets of London!
Just backs up the point that Bus Driving is a highly thankless job. Yet you must still sit there with a stupid smile on your face. I've known first hand people complaining because the driver looked "miserable". I better stop here before I get myself in trouble! *Bites Tongue*
4437 and 4611 are on todays 900
4428 is on todays 957
4425 also on 900!
The only Enviro I saw wasn't route branded.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 18, 2014, 12:00:10 PM
4437 and 4611 are on todays 900
4428 is on todays 957
Beat me to it. I got on 4611 and unbranded 4903 Lina.
I want some 957 branded buses to appear!
4168 is on the 22/3 today
5404, 5408, 5506 and 4900 wre on the24 this morning. There were 2 Tridents on the 22/3, including 4168. I couldn't get the number of the other.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 18, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
5404, 5408, 5506 and 4900 wre on the24 this morning. There were 2 Tridents on the 22/3, including 4168. I couldn't get the number of the other.
5509 was on the 24 aswell. Around Midday.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 18, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
There were 2 Tridents on the 22/3, including 4168. I couldn't get the number of the other.
4176
4443 and 4617 on 22/23 today if of interest to anybody
4898 900 e400 broke down in meridian today around 1530 I was on it 1508 from Coventry pool meadow due to a problem with its gearbox when I asked the driver
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 19, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
4898 900 e400 broke down in meridian today around 1530 I was on it 1508 from Coventry pool meadow due to a problem with its gearbox when I asked the driver
Your post is very unclear. Could you elaborate on which direction it was heading?
Quote from: ben710 on February 19, 2014, 07:49:09 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 19, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
4898 900 e400 broke down in meridian today around 1530 I was on it 1508 from Coventry pool meadow due to a problem with its gearbox when I asked the driver
Your post is very unclear. Could you elaborate on which direction it was heading?
Quite clear, it was on the 15:08 from Pool Meadow when it failed at 15:30 in Meriden, spelling & grammar may not be perfect, but a perfectly acceptable and understandable post.
4317 on this mornings 957
4324 out on the 957 today rode it back to Sheldon working the 10:37 ex Solihull
I spotted a NX bus (although it doesn't seem to be from BC garage) being towed on Coventry Road going towards Tyseley on 14th feb at around 15:45.
Does anyone why tridents is becoming more common on 900/957 route? When enviro400 was introduced, these routes were usually worked fully by enviro400s.
Lastly, does sending a complaint letter/email to NX work? I complained once a while ago, no action was taken (as said by the same driver I complained about!) despite having evidence on my part. Now something happened with one of the drivers at BC garage, I'm debating if I should waste my time on writing a complaint letter/email to them, can anyone advise me on this one?
E400's 4899/4909 are off the road after both were involved in a collision with each other meaning tridents/B7RLE's are filling in on the 957's and tridents are filling in on the 900. Also recently 900/57 branded buses have been appearing on the 24,45/7,59,60,61/3 etc
Quote from: :D on February 21, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
I spotted a NX bus (although it doesn't seem to be from BC garage) being towed on Coventry Road going towards Tyseley on 14th feb at around 15:45.
Does anyone why tridents is becoming more common on 900/957 route? When enviro400 was introduced, these routes were usually worked fully by enviro400s.
Lastly, does sending a complaint letter/email to NX work? I complained once a while ago, no action was taken (as said by the same driver I complained about!) despite having evidence on my part. Now something happened with one of the drivers at BC garage, I'm debating if I should waste my time on writing a complaint letter/email to them, can anyone advise me on this one?
I'll PM you.
And the reason for the Tridents I think is due merely to the parking arrangements at BC. Bit, all over the place. Also some are put on short runnings due to V. I. and Steam Clean. I saw Alice getting steamed in Digbeth yesterday. Probably explains it.
Quote from: Rob H on February 21, 2014, 03:37:33 PM
4324 out on the 957 today rode it back to Sheldon working the 10:37 ex Solihull
Managed to get a pic of 4324 at The Wheatsheaf just after I got off. Link is below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12682928274/
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 21, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
And the reason for the Tridents I think is due merely to the parking arrangements at BC. Bit, all over the place. Also some are put on short runnings due to V. I. and Steam Clean. I saw Alice getting steamed in Digbeth yesterday. Probably explains it.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is V. I. ?
Thanks.
Quote from: ben710 on February 22, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 21, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
And the reason for the Tridents I think is due merely to the parking arrangements at BC. Bit, all over the place. Also some are put on short runnings due to V. I. and Steam Clean. I saw Alice getting steamed in Digbeth yesterday. Probably explains it.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is V. I. ?
Thanks.
28 day
Vehicle
Inspection
EDIT: Just so it's a bit more clarified. LS
Quote from: Winston on February 22, 2014, 02:55:39 PM28 day Vehicle Inspection
EDIT: Just so it's a bit more clarified. LS
Thanks Very Much. :D
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
My best friend lives close to the Caarlyle yard in West Bromwich. He said the other day he saw 4899 and 4909. I just forgot to mention it. Thanks LS
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
Does this mean Tridents will stop appearing on the 900/957 now?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
The last BC Enviro I need a picture of thanks LS :)
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 23, 2014, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
Does this mean Tridents will stop appearing on the 900/957 now?
Not as many as there has been of late. When 4909 returns (if it has not done so already), then Tridents won't appear very much any more
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 24, 2014, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
The last BC Enviro I need a picture of thanks LS :)
Tomorrow morning I'll stay in Sheldon to see If I can get a pic of it :) If Molly is out tomorrow I'll see which journeys it'll be operating and I'll PM them to you Nath :)
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 23, 2014, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
Does this mean Tridents will stop appearing on the 900/957 now?
It'll most likely mean more 900 / 957 branded E400s on the 24.
Quote from: Rob H on February 24, 2014, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 24, 2014, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
The last BC Enviro I need a picture of thanks LS :)
Tomorrow morning I'll stay in Sheldon to see If I can get a pic of it :) If Molly is out tomorrow I'll see which journeys it'll be operating and I'll PM them to you Nath :)
Thanks Rob, very much appreciated :)
Quote from: Mike K on February 24, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 23, 2014, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
Does this mean Tridents will stop appearing on the 900/957 now?
It'll most likely mean more 900 / 957 branded E400s on the 24.
Do I detect a touch of... disgust [?] to that post, Mike? Haha
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 24, 2014, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 24, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 23, 2014, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:36:16 PM
4899 is back, if anyone is bothered.
Does this mean Tridents will stop appearing on the 900/957 now?
It'll most likely mean more 900 / 957 branded E400s on the 24.
Do I detect a touch of... disgust [?] to that post, Mike? Haha
Although I rarely use the 24 myself, I do enjoy the diversity of the route LS. Apart from maybe an E200 (even these were once common on one peak working) there's no such thing as an unusual working.
2149 was on the 957 this morning seen it around 09:05-09:10 heading for Birmingham I got a pic of it about to turn off Old Lode Lane onto Hobs Moat. Link is below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12769206044/
Quote from: Rob H on February 25, 2014, 12:00:01 PM
2149 was on the 957 this morning seen it around 09:05-09:10 heading for Birmingham I got a pic of it about to turn off Old Lode Lane onto Hobs Moat. Link is below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12769206044/
whats the afternoon schedule for it?
Noted 5 hybrids on the 24 (4 B5LH + 1 E400H)
Quote from: Sayeed_M on February 25, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
Noted 5 hybrids on the 24 (4 B5LH + 1 E400H)
I've noted that this is becoming more commonplace Sayeed, with the hybrids effectively split across the 22/23/24. There were 5 hybrids on the 24 on Saturday, with 4316, 4610 and 4616 all on the 22/23. It's a shame they don't get a few more hybrids to convert the entire corridor to full hybrid operation.
Does anybody know why Tridents are still being used on the 900?
I think I saw two this evening- The first of which was going into Coventry at about 16:10 (I was on Molly in the opposite direction so didn't catch the number. Molly seemed extrodinarily squeaky in comparison to the other Enviro's) and the second further on, but I'm even less sure about that.
Also, yesterday I'm sure I sure what I shall now permanently refer to as "The Countdown bus" (4321) going into Coventry on a 900 at about the same time 16:10
Quote from: ben710 on February 27, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
Does anybody know why Tridents are still being used on the 900?
I think I saw two this evening- The first of which was going into Coventry at about 16:10 (I was on Molly in the opposite direction so didn't catch the number. Molly seemed extrodinarily squeaky in comparison to the other Enviro's) and the second further on, but I'm even less sure about that.
Also, yesterday I'm sure I sure what I shall now permanently refer to as "The Countdown bus" (4321) going into Coventry on a 900 at about the same time 16:10
Hi mate I go on 900 route quite a lot they put tridents on the 900 sometimes as they branded buses are sometimes on school routes or normal routes
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 27, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
Hi mate I go on 900 route quite a lot they put tridents on the 900 sometimes as they branded buses are sometimes on school routes or normal routes
Thanks for that :)
I'll just take this oppurtunity to add that unbranded buses Ruby and Tiah Joy were out on the 900 as well. The former of the two has been the victim of 'etching' on an upper deck window by the staircase.
4627 left Coventry at 06:30 on 900
Quote from: JoNi on February 28, 2014, 06:47:35 AM
4627 left Coventry at 06:30 on 900
If I've worked it out correctly 4627 operated the following journey's
04:50 Birmingham - Coventry
06:18 Coventry - Birmingham
07:35 Birmingham - Coventry
09:14 Coventry - Birmingham
10:35 Birmingham - Coventry
12:10 Coventry - Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham - Coventry
15:08 Coventry - Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham - Airport
17:40 Airport - Birmingham
Must have been running late with the 04:50 from Birmingham :)
4430 , 4617 on 957
4634 on 900
4145/4176/4178/4179 out on the 957 today
4903/4907/4908 are the other 3 on the 957
None of 4910-4913 were out on the 957 today which is a first since they were branded
Well 4911 'Jessica' did make an appearance in Solihull but on School Service 877
Here are pics of the 4 tridents
4145
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12904084665/
4176
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12904916664/
4178
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12904086195/
4179
http://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/12904086175/
Spotted 4899 on 900 at wheatsheif 0840 to birmingham
Quote from: Rob H on March 03, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
None of 4910-4913 were out on the 957 today which is a first since they were branded
4912 is on the 957
Quote from: John on March 03, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 03, 2014, 10:27:22 AM
None of 4910-4913 were out on the 957 today which is a first since they were branded
4912 is on the 957
Thank You for telling me John :) Alice must have come on this afternoon as she was definitely not on there this morning. :)
4632 on 900 today
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 03, 2014, 04:48:40 PM
4632 on 900 today
Did you see 4632 the time you posted and did you see it in Birmingham? :) So I can work out which journey's 4632 done :)
808 was on the afternoon run from the girls school just off Portland road
4632 was in Coventry about 15:30ish
Quote from: JoNi on March 03, 2014, 08:57:58 PM
4632 was in Coventry about 15:30ish
Thank You JoNi :)
So 4632 would have worked the following;
04:15 Coventry - Birmingham
05:20 Birmingham - Coventry
06:43 Coventry - Birmingham
08:05 Birmingham - Coventry
09:40 Coventry - Birmingham
11:05 Birmingham - Coventry
12:40 Coventry - Birmingham
14:05 Birmingham - Coventry
15:37 Coventry - Birmingham
17:05 Birmingham - Airport
18:11 Airport - Birmingham
Unless 4632 was a change bus?
Quote from: Nathan on March 03, 2014, 09:34:55 PM
Unless 4632 was a change bus?
I think 4632 was a change bus now come to think of it Nath because the 06:43 from Coventry gets to mine at 07:35 and I seen that while I was walking down the road this morning plus it was running a bit early today so it waited at the wheatsheaf for a few minutes and it was not a trident it was the usual E400 so 4632 must have replaced the E400 at some point :) Good Choice for a Replacement as its one of my fav 46's ;)
4146 seen leaving Airport for Coventry now (09:26)
Just seen 4905 heading out of town down Broad Street on the 24, no idea how uncommon this is or not.
Quote from: Cheese on March 04, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
Just seen 4905 heading out of town down Broad Street on the 24, no idea how uncommon this is or not.
Unbranded E400's are regulars on the 24
Anybody looking for 5505 today it was in my University's car park!
https://www.facebook.com/newmanuniversity/photos/a.257169250995205.65603.187190571326407/717865871592205/?type=1&permPage=1
Quote from: Cheese on March 04, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
Just seen 4905 heading out of town down Broad Street on the 24, no idea how uncommon this is or not.
Usual allocation at peaks
4910 is having problems with opening & closing the door. An inspector fixed it using percussive maintenance technique, it was quite interesting to watch.
808 on the 98 today. Also had a scrolling display, so it must be programmed for all routes on the Enviro200s, not just on the 99 display
Noticed on 900 the 900 number is now on the left (like old times! That I remember that is) and says Birmingham no via points or anything
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 06, 2014, 07:59:28 AM
Noticed on 900 the 900 number is now on the left (like old times! That I remember that is) and says Birmingham no via points or anything
Really? After all that hullabaloo regarding it I thought it was permanently banned!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 09:42:52 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 06, 2014, 07:59:28 AM
Noticed on 900 the 900 number is now on the left (like old times! That I remember that is) and says Birmingham no via points or anything
Really? After all that hullabaloo regarding it I thought it was permanently banned!
yes
the bus in question that has these blinds is currently doing the 13:10 from cov to bham
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 06, 2014, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 06, 2014, 09:42:52 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 06, 2014, 07:59:28 AM
Noticed on 900 the 900 number is now on the left (like old times! That I remember that is) and says Birmingham no via points or anything
Really? After all that hullabaloo regarding it I thought it was permanently banned!
yes
the bus in question that has these blinds is currently doing the 13:10 from cov to bham
I've got to get the 900 tomorrow so I'll keep an eye out and try and get a pic :) Do you know which E400 has this?
I noticed a B7RLE on the 29 this evening with the '29' in a different font style. Is this one of the new 'Super X' displays?
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 09:59:31 PM
I noticed a B7RLE on the 29 this evening with the '29' in a different font style. Is this one of the new 'Super X' displays?
Most Likely Yes :)
There's a typo on the Super X 99 display. Towards Birmingham it was showing 'via QE Hosptial'.
4897 has just left Coventry (09:40) showing destination
"900 BIRMINGHAM" with number on offside.
Seen by another bus spotter yesterday.
4323 on 957 today
Quote from: JoNi on March 08, 2014, 09:45:14 AM
4897 has just left Coventry (09:40) showing destination
"900 BIRMINGHAM" with number on offside.
Seen by another bus spotter yesterday.
Just seen it leave Birmingham with COVENTRY on the display must say that display does look better
oh dear!
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/chelmsley-wood-buses-stuck-together-6788562
Has anyone else ever wondered why the Enviros aren't used on other routes on Sundays? 45/47, for instance?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Has anyone else ever wondered why the Enviros aren't used on other routes on Sundays? 45/47, for instance?
How many E400's are used on Sundays? I suppose they could do what Coventry do and put branded buses on other routes on Sundays because the B7's are more fuel efficient than the mercs
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 08:11:39 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Has anyone else ever wondered why the Enviros aren't used on other routes on Sundays? 45/47, for instance?
How many E400's are used on Sundays? I suppose they could do what Coventry do and put branded buses on other routes on Sundays because the B7's are more fuel efficient than the mercs
Should only be 5 for the 900 and 4 for the 957. Leaving 9 spare (minus the Enviro that's out of action)
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 09, 2014, 10:58:50 AM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 08:11:39 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2014, 11:52:54 PM
Has anyone else ever wondered why the Enviros aren't used on other routes on Sundays? 45/47, for instance?
How many E400's are used on Sundays? I suppose they could do what Coventry do and put branded buses on other routes on Sundays because the B7's are more fuel efficient than the mercs
Should only be 5 for the 900 and 4 for the 957. Leaving 9 spare (minus the Enviro that's out of action)
They use them on the 60 as well on Sundays, don't they?
Yes the unbranded E400's are used on the 60 on Sundays
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
Yes the unbranded E400's are used on the 60 on Sundays
All of them?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 09, 2014, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
Yes the unbranded E400's are used on the 60 on Sundays
All of them?
I'm not sure how many but I tend to see the unbranded E400's work the 60,900 and 957 on Sundays. Maybe Rob can help?
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 06:29:31 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 09, 2014, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
Yes the unbranded E400's are used on the 60 on Sundays
All of them?
I'm not sure how many but I tend to see the unbranded E400's work the 60,900 and 957 on Sundays. Maybe Rob can help?
I go on the same bus routes as rob I know about 60,900,957
900/957 with their branded E400s they do use unbranded E400s like 4906 or 4903
60 MON-FRI-SAT there tridents but on sundays 60 and 60E can be tridents or unbranded E400s
Went on 5407 earlier today on a 24 to Woodgate Valley, what on earth is that horrible high-pitched whistle noise that occasionally comes over the speaker? :o
Had it on one of the WN Wright Hybrids recently as well. I reckon it is the microphone coming on for the automated voice but the voice for some reason doesn't work. I have the OMSI simulator and there's a microphone system on the SD200, which when operated makes a very similar noise.
Quote from: Stu on March 09, 2014, 07:22:20 PM
Went on 5407 earlier today on a 24 to Woodgate Valley, what on earth is that horrible high-pitched whistle noise that occasionally comes over the speaker? :o
Do you mean Phil Upton? :D :D :D
Noticed 98 also has super x blinds but the word font used looks tiny
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 10, 2014, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 09, 2014, 07:22:20 PM
Went on 5407 earlier today on a 24 to Woodgate Valley, what on earth is that horrible high-pitched whistle noise that occasionally comes over the speaker? :o
Do you mean Phil Upton? :D :D :D
Lol! The talking system doesn't work when on the 24, but I did have the 'pleasure' of Phil Upton announcing stops on the 23 I got back to Birmingham. It's not a bad idea in principle, but I imagine if you got the 22/23 everyday you'd soon get sick of it!
Does anybody know what happened to 4367 between 12-1pm today? Because it should have worked the 12:58 70 from Birmingham to Solihull due in Sheldon at 14:26 and it never showed up.
If anybody knows anything can you please let me know I'm just curious as to why it was missing.
Thank You :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 10, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
Does anybody know what happened to 4367 between 12-1pm today? Because it should have worked the 12:58 70 from Birmingham to Solihull due in Sheldon at 14:26 and it never showed up.
If anybody knows anything can you please let me know I'm just curious as to why it was missing.
Thank You :)
A breakdown or defect with the bus maybe?
Quote from: Nathan on March 10, 2014, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 10, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
Does anybody know what happened to 4367 between 12-1pm today? Because it should have worked the 12:58 70 from Birmingham to Solihull due in Sheldon at 14:26 and it never showed up.
If anybody knows anything can you please let me know I'm just curious as to why it was missing.
Thank You :)
A breakdown or defect with the bus maybe?
Knowing my luck Nath it probably did breakdown ;) I was just wondering because I was after a clip of it :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 10, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
Does anybody know what happened to 4367 between 12-1pm today? Because it should have worked the 12:58 70 from Birmingham to Solihull due in Sheldon at 14:26 and it never showed up.
If anybody knows anything can you please let me know I'm just curious as to why it was missing.
Thank You :)
I revenue checked it on its way into city at around 12:30, and saw it in BC garage at 14:50
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
805 also got rear ended when new on the 99 by The Stag.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2014, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
805 also got rear ended when new on the 99 by The Stag.
Being rear ended by The Stag sounds like a very painful experience. Who is he anyway?
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2014, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
805 also got rear ended when new on the 99 by The Stag.
Being rear ended by The Stag sounds like a very painful experience. Who is he anyway?
The stag is a pub in quinton
Quote from: Rainman13 on March 14, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2014, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
805 also got rear ended when new on the 99 by The Stag.
Being rear ended by The Stag sounds like a very painful experience. Who is he anyway?
The stag is a pub in quinton
Mike K knows what it is he's just joking about!
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2014, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2014, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
804 involved in a RTC this afternoon in Quinton. Near side damaged.
Isn't that the second time for 804? That one and 807 have both lost their rear branding due to accidents, 805 has list its front branding for the same reason.
805 also got rear ended when new on the 99 by The Stag.
Being rear ended by The Stag sounds like a very painful experience. Who is he anyway?
Some heavily set stud when you put it like that hahahaha
2146 on 957
4190 On 23
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 17, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
was on a 21xx bus
4429 old livery leaving Coventry 09:20.
Quote from: JoNi on March 18, 2014, 09:17:27 AM
4429 old livery leaving Coventry 09:20.
If I've worked it out correctly 4429 has/currently working/should work;
04:50 Birmingham to Coventry
06:18 Coventry to Birmingham
07:35 Birmingham to Coventry
09:14 Coventry to Birmingham
10:35 Birmingham to Coventry
12:10 Coventry to Birmingham
13:35 Birmingham to Coventry
15:08 Coventry to Birmingham
16:35 Birmingham to Airport
17:40 Airport to Birmingham
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 17, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
was on a 21xx bus
Possibly 2150 then - that one has a Super X display at the moment.
Quote from: Mike K on March 18, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 17, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
was on a 21xx bus
Possibly 2150 then - that one has a Super X display at the moment.
I saw it on the 97p last week. The side display was scrolling, but the front wasn't
Quote from: John on March 18, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 18, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 17, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
was on a 21xx bus
Possibly 2150 then - that one has a Super X display at the moment.
I saw it on the 97p last week. The side display was scrolling, but the front wasn't
The front wasn't scrolling when I saw it on the 29 either, didn't see the side
4900 has been sporting a full length scrape down the nearside for a while now. It also has replacement rear corner panel in a different shade of white.
Quote from: JoNi on March 18, 2014, 03:08:38 PM
4900 has been sporting a full length scrape down the nearside for a while now. It also has replacement rear corner panel in a different shade of white.
I'd say half of the E400's have had a rear corner panel replaced 4906/4911/4913 are 3 of them :)
2148 towed into Perry Barr this morning
Tonight at approx 18:15 I saw a 900 Branded Enviro being towed along the Coventry Ring Road (The section that passes by the fire station) presumeably heading towards the Holyhead Road.
I couldn't see a fleet number though. I'm sure additional info will be found in due course.
Oh an additional query: The railway bridge on the Holyhead Road: The towtruck elevated the Enviro at one end...I wonder what the headroom would have been like.
4425 on 900
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 21, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
4425 on 900
Would that be a change bus as I could haw sworn it was on the 24 this morning?
Quote from: Mike K on March 21, 2014, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 21, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
4425 on 900
Would that be a change bus as I could haw sworn it was on the 24 this morning?
Did a morning peak board on the 24 and an evening peak board on the 900 & 59
Quote from: Tony on March 21, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 21, 2014, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 21, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
4425 on 900
Would that be a change bus as I could haw sworn it was on the 24 this morning?
Did a morning peak board on the 24 and an evening peak board on the 900 & 59
Evening peak on 900 saw it at wheatsheif 1600
4903 is on the 22/23 today, not a usual allocation for a Saturday.
2132 was on 957
99 branded enviro 200 on 14e to tile cross
Not having much luck with the enviros - 957 branded has hit a tree! not sure if the bus got the tree or tree fell on the bus! 4910 bus involved. Damage to top corner of bus
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 24, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Is it possible you could get a pic of 4910 with the damage please? :) So won't be seeing Alanna for a while.
Typical if that has happened; why couldn't the bus involved be a Trident instead ;D
4909 now back at Birmingham Central
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 24, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Is it possible you could get a pic of 4910 with the damage please? :) So won't be seeing Alanna for a while.
From the Birmingham Updates Facebook page, can't see much damage to the bus though:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10155297_718403401543066_2007572005_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1487442_718382048211868_459704323_n.jpg)
Ouch, I only snapped her on Wednesday aswell :( They really don't seem to be having much luck with that batch.
There didnt seem much, if any, damage to the side of the bus, I was expecting more. Just lost the mirror and some damage to the top corner of the bus
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 24, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Is it possible you could get a pic of 4910 with the damage please? :) So won't be seeing Alanna for a while.
From the Birmingham Updates Facebook page, can't see much damage to the bus though:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10155297_718403401543066_2007572005_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1487442_718382048211868_459704323_n.jpg)
Did this happen on Old Lode Lane? Only asking as I recognize the houses.
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
4909 now back at Birmingham Central
I'll keep an eye out on the 957 tomorrow just in case Vic comes out. :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 24, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Is it possible you could get a pic of 4910 with the damage please? :) So won't be seeing Alanna for a while.
Did this happen on Old Lode Lane? Only asking as I recognize the houses.
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
4909 now back at Birmingham Central
I'll keep an eye out on the 957 tomorrow just in case Vic comes out. :)
It was Old Lode Lane. Just before Ebrington Av, towards City.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 24, 2014, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 24, 2014, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 24, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
4910 just arrived at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Is it possible you could get a pic of 4910 with the damage please? :) So won't be seeing Alanna for a while.
Did this happen on Old Lode Lane? Only asking as I recognize the houses.
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
4909 now back at Birmingham Central
I'll keep an eye out on the 957 tomorrow just in case Vic comes out. :)
It was Old Lode Lane. Just before Ebrington Av, towards City.
Thank You Matt :)
4327 was out on the 957 today rode it working the 09:52 ex Solihull.
4897 seen in Coventry this morning with large 900 now on the nearside of its front display.
4315 on 957
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 26, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
4315 on 957
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13426220805/
803 on 60
Trident may have been a 41** trident not 100% sure on which, but one has gained an allover 'Spiderman' advert was out on the 45/7
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
Trident may have been a 41** trident not 100% sure on which, but one has gained an allover 'Spiderman' advert was out on the 45/7
I know 4153 has the spiderman livery
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 29, 2014, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 08:42:13 PM
Trident may have been a 41** trident not 100% sure on which, but one has gained an allover 'Spiderman' advert was out on the 45/7
I know 4153 has the spiderman livery
That may been the bus I seen then :) thanks for that
4909 out on the 957 missing most of its rear branding
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
4909 out on the 957 missing most of its rear branding
4909 had a new rear end fitted after her RTC with 4899 ;) I'll go into Solihull tomorrow to get a clip and a pic of her new rear end :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 31, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
4909 out on the 957 missing most of its rear branding
4909 had a new rear end fitted after her RTC with 4899 ;) I'll go into Solihull tomorrow to get a clip and a pic of her new rear end :)
Yeah, I know :) wastnt sure if they'd reapply it, but they've just put logos on with the 957 bit left on the upstairs window
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 31, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
4909 out on the 957 missing most of its rear branding
4909 had a new rear end fitted after her RTC with 4899 ;) I'll go into Solihull tomorrow to get a clip and a pic of her new rear end :)
Yeah, I know :) wastnt sure if they'd reapply it, but they've just put logos on with the 957 bit left on the upstairs window
They may re-apply the branding to both 4899 and 4909 as the time goes on but we'll just have to wait and see if they do. :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 31, 2014, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 04:35:10 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 31, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 31, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
4909 out on the 957 missing most of its rear branding
4909 had a new rear end fitted after her RTC with 4899 ;) I'll go into Solihull tomorrow to get a clip and a pic of her new rear end :)
Yeah, I know :) wastnt sure if they'd reapply it, but they've just put logos on with the 957 bit left on the upstairs window
They may re-apply the branding to both 4899 and 4909 as the time goes on but we'll just have to wait and see if they do. :)
They certainly haven't on the 99 branded E200s. 804, 805 and 807 all have either front or rear branding missing.
They have however reapplied missing livery detail on hybrids 5501 (serious offside accident damage) and 5502 (replacement upper rear window).
Quote from: Mike K on March 18, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: John on March 18, 2014, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 18, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 17, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 17, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Seems 957 also now has Super X display
Are all BC route buses that support it getting it I wonder
Do you know which Enviro has this? As I might go and try and photograph or get a clip of it in the next few days :) I'll keep an eye on the 60 aswell as I know 1 Enviro is usually on the 60 almost everyday :)
was on a 21xx bus
Possibly 2150 then - that one has a Super X display at the moment.
I saw it on the 97p last week. The side display was scrolling, but the front wasn't
The front wasn't scrolling when I saw it on the 29 either, didn't see the side
I can safely say, the 29 side displays do not scroll... Ashamed that the front didn't tbh. I mean, if NX were GOING to SuperX it, then they might as well have used the scrolling feature... ::)
Managed to get a pic of Victoria's New Rear the link is below;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13580965214/
4904 on 24
4907 on 22. Both in Harborne at 11::00am.
Currently on 4895 on 900 which doesn't sound very healthy, running 15 minutes late and losing time.
Quote from: JoNi on April 04, 2014, 02:04:44 PM
Currently on 4895 on 900 which doesn't sound very healthy, running 15 minutes late and losing time.
I noticed that when I walked past it in town this morning (Or was it yesterday?). Very "grindy" and rough sounding diesel lump.
I'm not an engineer but it make a sound I associate with the exhaust was failing. No go on the open road.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 04, 2014, 03:03:38 PM
Quote from: JoNi on April 04, 2014, 02:04:44 PM
Currently on 4895 on 900 which doesn't sound very healthy, running 15 minutes late and losing time.
I noticed that when I walked past it in town this morning (Or was it yesterday?). Very "grindy" and rough sounding diesel lump.
Funnily enough on Wednesday I seen 4615 in Sheldon Not In Service heading towards the Airport and I thought its either going to replace a Trident on the 97 or an E400 on a 900 from Coventry anyway I waited for the 10:10 900 to arrive in Sheldon at 11am to see if 4615 replaced that E400 but it didn't 4615 replaced 4895 on the 11:03 900 from the Airport seen it from my front door I wondered what the reason was now I know.
spotted 4153 in amazing spiderman 2 livery today on 60
4321 - was out on the 70 yesterday with ^MODE^ on the rear display?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 04, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
spotted 4153 in amazing spiderman 2 livery today on 60
It's an allover livery isn't it? I think it was on 22/23/24 for most of last week, kept passing it on the opposite side of Harborne High Street to and from school!
2143 on 957 this morning then seen at 1120 on 58
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 05, 2014, 11:00:31 AM
4321 - was out on the 70 yesterday with ^MODE^ on the rear display?
4321 has had that stuck for a couple of days now, noticed on the Bristol a few days back with MODE on the rear. Well spotted.
4368 Talks.
Quote from: Dylan4579 on April 05, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
4368 Talks.
Which Route Dylan? :)
Also not sure whether this has been pointed out already 4897's rear display scrolls only when leaving Birmingham when leaving either the Airport or Coventry normal 900 is displayed on the back.
Does anyone know what the white single deck in BC is? It's to the left of the pumps partly behind a curtain? You can just make it out from the entrance.
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 05, 2014, 09:21:57 PM
Does anyone know what the white single deck in BC is? It's to the left of the pumps partly behind a curtain? You can just make it out from the entrance.
I think it is 1462, in the process of been converted for training use (non driving)
Nice one - walk past there regularly always have a nose.
2144 out on all day 957 today it has worked/currently working/should work the following;
07:20 Birmingham to Solihull
08:07 Solihull to Birmingham
08:57 Birmingham to Solihull
09:52 Solihull to Birmingham
10:42 Birmingham to Solihull
11:37 Solihull to Birmingham
12:27 Birmingham to Solihull
13:22 Solihull to Birmingham
14:12 Birmingham to Solihull
15:02 Solihull to Birmingham
15:57 Birmingham to Solihull
16:50 Solihull to Birmingham
17:45 Birmingham to Solihull
18:35 Solihull to Birmingham
Any one seen the spiderman bus today
if so what time wil it be it city
Quote from: Solo1 on April 09, 2014, 02:25:04 PM
Any one seen the spiderman bus today
if so what time wil it be it city
What? The bus that shoots webs or climbs up Walls? :D :D :D ;D
Quote from: Rob H on April 09, 2014, 10:31:14 AM
2144 out on all day 957 today it has worked/currently working/should work the following;
07:20 Birmingham to Solihull
08:07 Solihull to Birmingham
08:57 Birmingham to Solihull
09:52 Solihull to Birmingham
10:42 Birmingham to Solihull
11:37 Solihull to Birmingham
12:27 Birmingham to Solihull
13:22 Solihull to Birmingham
14:12 Birmingham to Solihull
15:02 Solihull to Birmingham
15:57 Birmingham to Solihull
16:50 Solihull to Birmingham
17:45 Birmingham to Solihull
18:35 Solihull to Birmingham
spotted 2144 at my stop 1625 picture on my flickr also spotted my favourite trident 4368 on 60 to cranes park :)
4908 on 60
423x on 33
4177 'Julie' - Morrisons Livery - 24, All Day I think...
4153 - Spiderman 2 Livery - 24
Also, I understand it's common in the evenings but does the 22 on 213* count, it was around 6.30?
Quote from: clayderman on April 10, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
4177 'Julie' - Morrisons Livery - 24, All Day I think...
4153 - Spiderman 2 Livery - 24
Also, I understand it's common in the evenings but does the 22 on 213* count, it was around 6.30?
B7's do appear on the 22/23/24 in the evening if I've got that correctly. :)
A little late, but 807 was on the 29 on Wednesday evening, heading towards Northfield at around 6:45
On average, about 5 hybrids on the 24 every day...
Today I saw 3 E400Hs, and 2 Volvo B5Ls. They were the following:
- 5401
- 5402
- 5409
- 5501
- 5507
2149 on 957 then seen 1130 on BC 58
4318 or 4316 - 900E for anyone it may concern
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 12, 2014, 01:25:03 PM
4318 or 4316 - 900E for anyone it may concern
ive seen 4898,4901,4905,4907 on 900 but I haven't seen any trident on 900
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 12, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 12, 2014, 01:25:03 PM
4318 or 4316 - 900E for anyone it may concern
ive seen 4898,4901,4905,4907 on 900 but I haven't seen any trident on 900
parked on moor street around 12:50/12:55
If 4318 was the only 900 Trident noted yesterday then it was out until late. Did the 20:24 ex Coventry
4906 on 60
809 on 58 (Liverpool Street's Sighting)
4365 on 957 today
Seems to be a fault on 5403's front LED, on the 24 to "dgate Valley immons Drive"
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 16, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Seems to be a fault on 5403's front LED, on the 24 to "dgate Valley immons Drive"
That's how Norman Collier would have said it. Apologies to younger members of the group who haven't got a clue who Norman Collier was.
Quote from: Mike K on April 16, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 16, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Seems to be a fault on 5403's front LED, on the 24 to "dgate Valley immons Drive"
That's how Norman Collier would have said it. Apologies to younger members of the group who haven't got a clue who Norman Collier was.
Brilliant!
Quote from: Mike K on April 16, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 16, 2014, 01:03:23 PM
Seems to be a fault on 5403's front LED, on the 24 to "dgate Valley immons Drive"
That's how Norman Collier would have said it. Apologies to younger members of the group who haven't got a clue who Norman Collier was.
Pity he is not still around, he could have re recorded the announcements for the 22/23.
4366 on 957
4445 on 900
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 17, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
4366 on 957
4445 on 900
I'll try and get photos of both today :) What time did you see both of them Mate? :) So I can work out which journeys they'll operate. :)
Quote from: Rob H on April 17, 2014, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 17, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
4366 on 957
4445 on 900
I'll try and get photos of both today :) What time did you see both of them Mate? :) So I can work out which journeys they'll operate. :)
spotted 4445 at digbeth 0830 on 900E
spotted 4366 around 0820 i think going solihull
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 17, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
Quote from: Rob H on April 17, 2014, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 17, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
4366 on 957
4445 on 900
I'll try and get photos of both today :) What time did you see both of them Mate? :) So I can work out which journeys they'll operate. :)
spotted 4445 at digbeth 0830 on 900E
spotted 4366 around 0820 i think going solihull
Managed to get a pic of both also a ride on 4366 on the 10:52 ex Solihull. :) All Thanks and credit goes to you buddy :)
Here are the links for 4366 & 4445;
4366
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13887414051/
4445
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13887414071
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Very nice, so from N&D to NXD then!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jongraham890/7275375174/
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Hi Tony
Do you know the info on the others yet?
Quote from: Jon on April 18, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Hi Tony
Do you know the info on the others yet?
SN 11 BWH AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11586 AD B29F 9225/2
SN 11 BWJ AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11587 AD B29F 9225/3
SN 61 DCF AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11603 AD B29F 9225/6
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 18, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Hi Tony
Do you know the info on the others yet?
SN 11 BWH AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11586 AD B29F 9225/2
SN 11 BWJ AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11587 AD B29F 9225/3
SN 61 DCF AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11603 AD B29F 9225/6
Will these be in service with NXWM?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 18, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 18, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Hi Tony
Do you know the info on the others yet?
SN 11 BWH AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11586 AD B29F 9225/2
SN 11 BWJ AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11587 AD B29F 9225/3
SN 61 DCF AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11603 AD B29F 9225/6
Will these be in service with NXWM?
No, they are going to Dundee
Winston, Sorry if it has been answered but will these be replacing anything (Solo's?) or is there a extra requirement at Dundee?
Quote from: Nathan on April 18, 2014, 10:49:22 PM
Winston, Sorry if it has been answered but will these be replacing anything (Solo's?) or is there a extra requirement at Dundee?
They are due to be replacing S & T-reg Solo's at Dundee, there are currently 6 left in service. Once the service changes take effect on 5th May, 4 should be sufficient with the reduced Pvr to withdraw all 6
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 18, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2014, 05:58:46 PM
Popped into BC today to book a bit of overtime on the 900s on Sunday and found this surprise in there!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
Hi Tony
Do you know the info on the others yet?
SN 11 BWH AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11586 AD B29F 9225/2
SN 11 BWJ AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11587 AD B29F 9225/3
SN 61 DCF AD Dt SFD1A1AR5AGY11603 AD B29F 9225/6
Thanks for that tony
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
732 SN11BWH, is also currently in Birmingham Centrals yard.
Quote from: Gareth on April 19, 2014, 01:13:05 PM
732 SN11BWH, is also currently in Birmingham Centrals yard.
Thanks Gareth, no mistake on the fleet numbers then
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
Unless the hotel hoppa ones will be renumbered into the same series or if more short length e200's are due for Heathrow that have been ordered?
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 19, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
Unless the hotel hoppa ones will be renumbered into the same series or if more short length e200's are due for Heathrow that have been ordered?
Possible, there are currently 32 x Hotel Hoppa's plus the 5 x E200's on the BBC contract. Not aware of any new Hoppa's being due as the current fleet is 08 plate and shouldn't do high mileage
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 01:35:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 19, 2014, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
Unless the hotel hoppa ones will be renumbered into the same series or if more short length e200's are due for Heathrow that have been ordered?
Possible, there are currently 32 x Hotel Hoppa's plus the 5 x E200's on the BBC contract. Not aware of any new Hoppa's being due as the current fleet is 08 plate and shouldn't do high mileage
No I doubt it as well particularly as cascading the hotel hoppas would require work to remove racking etc. Plus they are only 6 years old as you say so likely to stay for another few years
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
How about - this is an ongoing series for midi buses but as 701 - 718 are recently deceased or about to be deceased vehicles, 719 - 730 may be reserved for new replacements for the PB Solos and WB Darts. Hercules Poirot move over lol!!! Possibly completely wrong but sounds a neat theory to me!
What, to me, is more interesting is the potential that the N and D buses were leased vehicles from AD or similar - so does the AD/NX deal extend to sourcing/providing vehicles at short notice as well as new vehicles and spares, as previously reported?
Quote from: don on April 20, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
How about - this is an ongoing series for midi buses but as 701 - 718 are recently deceased or about to be deceased vehicles, 719 - 730 may be reserved for new replacements for the PB Solos and WB Darts. Hercules Poirot move over lol!!! Possibly completely wrong but sounds a neat theory to me!
What, to me, is more interesting is the potential that the N and D buses were leased vehicles from AD or similar - so does the AD/NX deal extend to sourcing/providing vehicles at short notice as well as new vehicles and spares, as previously reported?
These 4 were sold by Newbury & District to Ensign, NX purchased them from Ensign
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2014, 10:24:28 AM
Quote from: don on April 20, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
How about - this is an ongoing series for midi buses but as 701 - 718 are recently deceased or about to be deceased vehicles, 719 - 730 may be reserved for new replacements for the PB Solos and WB Darts. Hercules Poirot move over lol!!! Possibly completely wrong but sounds a neat theory to me!
What, to me, is more interesting is the potential that the N and D buses were leased vehicles from AD or similar - so does the AD/NX deal extend to sourcing/providing vehicles at short notice as well as new vehicles and spares, as previously reported?
These 4 were sold by Newbury & District to Ensign, NX purchased them from Ensign
Thanks, Tony.
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2014, 10:24:28 AM
Quote from: don on April 20, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
How about - this is an ongoing series for midi buses but as 701 - 718 are recently deceased or about to be deceased vehicles, 719 - 730 may be reserved for new replacements for the PB Solos and WB Darts. Hercules Poirot move over lol!!! Possibly completely wrong but sounds a neat theory to me!
What, to me, is more interesting is the potential that the N and D buses were leased vehicles from AD or similar - so does the AD/NX deal extend to sourcing/providing vehicles at short notice as well as new vehicles and spares, as previously reported?
These 4 were sold by Newbury & District to Ensign, NX purchased them from Ensign
Tony, they may have gone via Santander to Ensign as they had 4 x E200's as 'coming soon' due back in March
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2014, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2014, 10:24:28 AM
Quote from: don on April 20, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 18, 2014, 11:41:47 PM
731. That strikes me as an odd fleetnumber. Any plausible explanation from someone with better knowledge than me?
Logic would suggest that 831 would be an appropriate to follow on from the existing 801-830 batch.
Unless of course this a new numbering sequence for smaller E200's (29 seaters) and it suggests that thirty new ones could be due in the shape of 701-730? That doesn't seem that likely as NXWM presently only have 5 x Optare Solos at PB & 8 x Dart/ALX200's @ WB that size that need replacing in the near future.
How about - this is an ongoing series for midi buses but as 701 - 718 are recently deceased or about to be deceased vehicles, 719 - 730 may be reserved for new replacements for the PB Solos and WB Darts. Hercules Poirot move over lol!!! Possibly completely wrong but sounds a neat theory to me!
What, to me, is more interesting is the potential that the N and D buses were leased vehicles from AD or similar - so does the AD/NX deal extend to sourcing/providing vehicles at short notice as well as new vehicles and spares, as previously reported?
These 4 were sold by Newbury & District to Ensign, NX purchased them from Ensign
Tony, they may have gone via Santander to Ensign as they had 4 x E200's as 'coming soon' due back in March
A lot of santander buses seem to be sold via ensign eg the scania omnicitys, transdev b7rles and b9tls. Wouldn't be surprised if the omnicitys just off lease from metrobus also went via ensign....
Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
A driver accidently made a mistake this morning while working the 10:00 60E to Yardley Swan (operated by 4427) he accidently carried on to the Aldi Store just before Sheldon and turned round there to head back to Birmingham.
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied on the front also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
That's good to hear. Hopefully 4909 and the E200s with the missing branding will get their respective brandings reapplied as well
Quote from: John on April 21, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied on the front also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
That's good to hear. Hopefully 4909 and the E200s with the missing branding will get their respective brandings reapplied as well
I did see Victoria but couldn't tell whether she had her branding re-applied as she passed me at Yardley Swan not in service heading towards Sheldon using the underpass. I'll keep an eye out for Vic tomorrow. :)
Quote from: Gareth on April 19, 2014, 01:13:05 PM
732 SN11BWH, is also currently in Birmingham Centrals yard.
Don't know where that one was hiding when I booked on last night!
734 is in Walsall Paintshop
Before these E200s heading to Dundee, will they be used in here for a while?
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: John on April 21, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied on the front also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
That's good to hear. Hopefully 4909 and the E200s with the missing branding will get their respective brandings reapplied as well
I did see Victoria but couldn't tell whether she had her branding re-applied as she passed me at Yardley Swan not in service heading towards Sheldon using the underpass. I'll keep an eye out for Vic tomorrow. :)
Just seen 4909, branding hasn't been reapplied yet.
Has 4910 been repaired yet?
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 21, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Before these E200s heading to Dundee, will they be used in here for a while?
I highly doubt it... For what route? Mind you, they might as well put extra journeys on the 99, lol. :D
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Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied on the front also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
That's good to hear. Hopefully 4909 and the E200s with the missing branding will get their respective brandings reapplied as well
I did see Victoria but couldn't tell whether she had her branding re-applied as she passed me at Yardley Swan not in service heading towards Sheldon using the underpass. I'll keep an eye out for Vic tomorrow. :)
Just seen 4909, branding hasn't been reapplied yet.
Has 4910 been repaired yet?
Alanna hasn't come back yet I don't think Matt but I'll keep my eyes peeled. :)
4630 is on the 900E today
4186 is having a day on the 957's
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 21, 2014, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: John on April 21, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 21, 2014, 01:55:09 PM
Molly (aka 4899) has had her 900 branding and name on the front re-applied on the front also Maria (aka 4913) has had her green branding round the Destination Display re-applied aswell.
That's good to hear. Hopefully 4909 and the E200s with the missing branding will get their respective brandings reapplied as well
I did see Victoria but couldn't tell whether she had her branding re-applied as she passed me at Yardley Swan not in service heading towards Sheldon using the underpass. I'll keep an eye out for Vic tomorrow. :)
Just seen 4909, branding hasn't been reapplied yet.
Has 4910 been repaired yet?
Alanna hasn't come back yet I don't think Matt but I'll keep my eyes peeled. :)
got a a picture of 4899 today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/13971534045/
Managed to get a shot of 4630 as I just alighted.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13949193066/
My favourite trident 4368 on 957
4436-957
4368-957
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 24, 2014, 11:03:51 AM
4436-957
4368-957
I rode on 4368 on the 10:52 from Solihull :)
B7RLE on the 29 heading towards City just now showing Frankley as the destination, so displays set for Sunday's changes.
I've worked out the journeys of both 4368 and 4436 on the 957 today.
4368
From Birmingham;
06:35, 08:12, 09:57, 11:42, 13:27, 15:12, 16:57
From Solihull;
07:22, 09:09, 10:52, 12:37, 14:22, 16:01, 18:02
4436
From Birmingham;
07:20, 08:57, 10:42, 12:27, 14:12, 15:57, 17:45
From Solihull;
08:07, 09:52, 11:37, 13:22, 15:02, 16:50, 18:35
Here is a clip of 4368 in Solihull after working the 09:57 from Birmingham;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDrpBn6eKHA
Here is a pic of 4368 pulling into Solihull Town Centre returning to Birmingham with 10:52 from the Station (2131 is also included in the shot)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/13974966586/
4425-957
RE THE DUNDEE DARTS .TONY YOU HAVE PUT THE SAME REGISTRATION NUMBER FOR 731/2/3 BUSES ON YOUR FLEET LIST .
Quote from: JIM C on April 26, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
RE THE DUNDEE DARTS .TONY YOU HAVE PUT THE SAME REGISTRATION NUMBER FOR 731/2/3 BUSES ON YOUR FLEET LIST .
That will be corrected in the next few minutes
807 has finally had its 99 rear end branding re-applied. Looks like NX are trying to tidy up all buses with missing branding.
As was mentioned in another thread yesterday, BC have been messing with their destination displays again. The 'via' points seem to be in a smaller font size and are actually quite diffcult to read. The Harborne routes have gained a similar layout to the destinatons used on the 98/99/X64.
The 23A now has "M5 Frankley Services" as one of its 'via' points, and at least some of the B7RLEs on the 29 have scrolling destinations on journeys from city.
Quote from: Mike K on April 28, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
As was mentioned in another thread yesterday, BC have been messing with their destination displays again. The 'via' points seem to be in a smaller font size and are actually quite diffcult to read. The Harborne routes have gained a similar layout to the destinatons used on the 98/99/X64.
The 23A now has "M5 Frankley Services" as one of its 'via' points, and at least some of the B7RLEs on the 29 have scrolling destinations on journeys from city.
From what I saw the via points were switching too fast on the Harbone services heading out of town. You don't have a chance to read them.
I saw a few on Broad Street yesterday; the lower line is in a smaller capitalised font, and while I could read it, I can understand why some people might find it more difficult to do so.
The lower line on the 29A I saw heading into city centre did appear to be scrolling, but it didn't look intentional, more like whoever had programmed it hadn't accounted for the route number being wider.
Just had to do a quick audit on BCs buses.
Every Enviro 200 (801-809) including one on the 29
Every Eclipse (2123-2152)
Every 44xx Trident (4425-49/55-74)
Every Enviro 400 (4895-4913) has seen service today (including one on Bristol Road)
specially the 44xx for every one of a batch of 55 vehicles 11 years old to be in service at the same time is pretty good going!
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
Just had to do a quick audit on BCs buses.
Every Enviro 200 (801-809) including one on the 29
Every Eclipse (2123-2152)
Every 44xx Trident (4425-49/55-74)
Every Enviro 400 (4895-4913) has seen service today (including one on Bristol Road)
specially the 44xx for every one of a batch of 55 vehicles 11 years old to be in service at the same time is pretty good going!
2123 is at AG Tony ;)
Quote from: Rob H on April 29, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
Just had to do a quick audit on BCs buses.
Every Enviro 200 (801-809) including one on the 29
Every Eclipse (2123-2152)
Every 44xx Trident (4425-49/55-74)
Every Enviro 400 (4895-4913) has seen service today (including one on Bristol Road)
specially the 44xx for every one of a batch of 55 vehicles 11 years old to be in service at the same time is pretty good going!
2123 is at AG Tony ;)
I think you will find it is at BC! been on the X64 all day, why do you think AG have 7027!
Well Tony, Rob obviously wasn't aware it had transfered....
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 29, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
Just had to do a quick audit on BCs buses.
Every Enviro 200 (801-809) including one on the 29
Every Eclipse (2123-2152)
Every 44xx Trident (4425-49/55-74)
Every Enviro 400 (4895-4913) has seen service today (including one on Bristol Road)
specially the 44xx for every one of a batch of 55 vehicles 11 years old to be in service at the same time is pretty good going!
2123 is at AG Tony ;)
I think you will find it is at BC! been on the X64 all day, why do you think AG have 7027!
Oh! Right Thank You Tony :) I thought I hadn't seen 2123 for a short while now I know. :)
Quote from: Nathan on April 29, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
Well Tony, Rob obviously wasn't aware it had transfered....
I'd rather have the B7's over the Omnilinks ;) I havn't seen 7027 I'm bound to at some point as I'd say a quarter of the allocation on the 71/72 is Omnilinks. :)
Old livery 4627 seen arriving in Coventry at 08:40 on the 900.
Has anyone seen any Hybrids on the 24 since the April 27th service changes? Up until last week there were around 4 -5 a day on there, I don't recall having seen any this week - unless they're avoiding me.
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Has anyone seen any Hybrids on the 24 since the April 27th service changes? Up until last week there were around 4 -5 a day on there, I don't recall having seen any this week - unless they're avoiding me.
5404 on there today
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2014, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Has anyone seen any Hybrids on the 24 since the April 27th service changes? Up until last week there were around 4 -5 a day on there, I don't recall having seen any this week - unless they're avoiding me.
5404 on there today
Ok cheers Tony - looks like they have cut back on the numbers on there over the last few days.
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2014, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Has anyone seen any Hybrids on the 24 since the April 27th service changes? Up until last week there were around 4 -5 a day on there, I don't recall having seen any this week - unless they're avoiding me.
5404 on there today
Ok cheers Tony - looks like they have cut back on the numbers on there over the last few days.
All 16 22/23 running boards were hybrids today and 5505 hasn't come out
Any reason why a 900 branded enviro would be driving around chelmsley wood
Was around Yorkminster Drive
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 30, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
Any reason why a 900 branded enviro would be driving around chelmsley wood
Was around Yorkminster Drive
Maybe coming off a 70 or 97?
Could also have been there for training purposes or route learning, you never know. I wouldn't have thought 14 purely as Yorkminster drive was mentioned, but 97 or 70 maybe.
Quote from: trident4370 on April 30, 2014, 05:16:48 PM
Could also have been there for training purposes or route learning, you never know. I wouldn't have thought 14 purely as Yorkminster drive was mentioned, but 97 or 70 maybe.
Didn't read the Yorkminster Drie bit ;) Just the Chelmsley wood bit ;D I've edited my post
Victoria (aka 4909) has had her rear branding reapplied. :)
Also this morning around 9:15am I seen 805 parked up at Marston Green Rail Station I immediatley thought it worked the 14E to Tile Cross then around 09:25-09:30 it left the station it turned towards Marston Green Tavern then a couple of minutes later it returned heading towards Birmingham.
Has the 14E to Tile Cross been extended to Marston Green? As I don't usually see a 99 E200 parked there. :)
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2014, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Mike K on April 30, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
Has anyone seen any Hybrids on the 24 since the April 27th service changes? Up until last week there were around 4 -5 a day on there, I don't recall having seen any this week - unless they're avoiding me.
5404 on there today
Ok cheers Tony - looks like they have cut back on the numbers on there over the last few days.
All 16 22/23 running boards were hybrids today and 5505 hasn't come out
From what I've seen it also looks like the 22/23 has reverted back to hybrid operation at night.
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 29, 2014, 08:01:06 PM
2123 is at AG Tony ;)
I think you will find it is at BC! been on the X64 all day, why do you think AG have 7027!
That must be why we got 1837 back from Bordesley
Alanna aka 4910 is now back in traffic having being repaired and has a new top front window and the branding which probably will get reapplied at some point.
Spotted 4910 on 957 at wheatsheif 0830 to birmingham
4905 on the Harbornes today. Finally managed to get a pic of a Normal Enviro400 on there
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/13903987109/
Quote from: John on May 02, 2014, 07:29:05 PM
4905 on the Harbornes today. Finally managed to get a pic of a Normal Enviro400 on there
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/13903987109/
That's 3 days running on Harbornes for 4905.
I thought I'd share the names I've come up with (both Male and Female) for 4610-4634 by using their last or 2nd to last (4610 & 4628 Only) letters of their registrations. :)
4610 - Ella
4611 - Anna
4612 - Christina
4613 - Daniel
4614 - Emma
4615 - Carly
4616 - Dom
4617 - Emily
4618 - Felicia
4619 - Georgina
4620 - Helen
4621 - Jack
4622 - Kylie
4623 - Luke
4624 - Maddie
4625 - Olivia
4626 - Rachel
4627 - Tamzin
4628 - Rosie
4629 - Viola
4630 - Wayne
4631 - Yasmin
4632 - Zoe
4633 - Aaron
4634 - Ben
4610 can be Ursula lol
Quote from: Rob H on May 02, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
I thought I'd share the names I've come up with (both Male and Female) for 4610-4634 by using their last or 2nd to last (4610 & 4628 Only) letters of their registrations. :)
4610 - Ella
4611 - Anna
4612 - Christina
4613 - Daniel
4614 - Emma
4615 - Carly
4616 - Dom
4617 - Emily
4618 - Felicia
4619 - Georgina
4620 - Helen
4621 - Jack
4622 - Kylie
4623 - Luke
4624 - Maddie
4625 - Olivia
4626 - Rachel
4627 - Tamzin
4628 - Rosie
4629 - Viola
4630 - Wayne
4631 - Yasmin
4632 - Zoe
4633 - Aaron
4634 - Ben
You copied my idea! ;)
4836 for example is Lindsay as her number plate ends in LND! But I have a Georgina which is 4839! (LNG)
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 03, 2014, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: Rob H on May 02, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
I thought I'd share the names I've come up with (both Male and Female) for 4610-4634 by using their last or 2nd to last (4610 & 4628 Only) letters of their registrations. :)
4610 - Ella
4611 - Anna
4612 - Christina
4613 - Daniel
4614 - Emma
4615 - Carly
4616 - Dom
4617 - Emily
4618 - Felicia
4619 - Georgina
4620 - Helen
4621 - Jack
4622 - Kylie
4623 - Luke
4624 - Maddie
4625 - Olivia
4626 - Rachel
4627 - Tamzin
4628 - Rosie
4629 - Viola
4630 - Wayne
4631 - Yasmin
4632 - Zoe
4633 - Aaron
4634 - Ben
You copied my idea! ;)
4836 for example is Lindsay as her number plate ends in LND! But I have a Georgina which is 4839! (LNG)
These ideas are great!! I think I would have had Rhianna as 4626 and Beyoncé as 4634 ;-)
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 03, 2014, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: Rob H on May 02, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
I thought I'd share the names I've come up with (both Male and Female) for 4610-4634 by using their last or 2nd to last (4610 & 4628 Only) letters of their registrations. :)
4610 - Ella
4611 - Anna
4612 - Christina
4613 - Daniel
4614 - Emma
4615 - Carly
4616 - Dom
4617 - Emily
4618 - Felicia
4619 - Georgina
4620 - Helen
4621 - Jack
4622 - Kylie
4623 - Luke
4624 - Maddie
4625 - Olivia
4626 - Rachel
4627 - Tamzin
4628 - Rosie
4629 - Viola
4630 - Wayne
4631 - Yasmin
4632 - Zoe
4633 - Aaron
4634 - Ben
You copied my idea! ;)
4836 for example is Lindsay as her number plate ends in LND! But I have a Georgina which is 4839! (LNG)
These ideas are great!! I think I would have had Rhianna as 4626 and Beyoncé as 4634 ;-)
I'm thinking of names for the 43's and 44's atm and I'll name two Rhianna and Beyonce :)
Quote from: Rob H on May 03, 2014, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
These ideas are great!! I think I would have had Rhianna as 4626 and Beyoncé as 4634 ;-)
I'm thinking of names for the 43's and 44's atm and I'll name two Rhianna and Beyonce :)
Excellent, Rob :)
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: Rob H on May 03, 2014, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
These ideas are great!! I think I would have had Rhianna as 4626 and Beyoncé as 4634 ;-)
I'm thinking of names for the 43's and 44's atm and I'll name two Rhianna and Beyonce :)
Excellent, Rob :)
Which ones would you like to be named Rhianna & Beyonce from the buses below don :)
4365/4433/4471 (for Beyonce)
4425/4444/4463 (for Rhianna)
Quote from: Rob H on May 03, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: Rob H on May 03, 2014, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: don on May 03, 2014, 10:49:36 AM
These ideas are great!! I think I would have had Rhianna as 4626 and Beyoncé as 4634 ;-)
I'm thinking of names for the 43's and 44's atm and I'll name two Rhianna and Beyonce :)
Excellent, Rob :)
Which ones would you like to be named Rhianna & Beyonce from the buses below don :)
4365/4433/4471 (for Beyonce)
4425/4444/4463 (for Rhianna)
The ones in best condition? Haven't a clue which - anyone know? 4444 ought to have a celebrity name I guess ;)
Here are the names I've come up with for the 43xx & 44xx Tridents again using the last and second to last letter of their registrations;
43xx
4315 - Paula, 4316 - Felicity, 4317 - Ursula, 4318 - Rex, 4320 - Steph, 4321 - Violet, 4323 - Katy, 4324 - Nikki, 4325 - Ola, 4326 - Usher, 4327 - Vicky, 4328 - Tasha, 4364 - Anabelle, 4365 - Beyonce, 4366 - Chris, 4367 - Danny, 4368 - Edwina
44xx
4425 - Rose, 4426 - Trevor, 4427 - Thomas, 4428 - Taz, 4429 - Toby, 4430 - Tammy, 4431 - Zarah, 4432 - Agnes, 4433 - Brandy, 4434 - Coleen, 4435 - Daisy, 4436 - Eddie, 4437 - Fiona, 4438 - Harry, 4439 - Kelly, 4440 - Laura, 4441 - Matt, 4442 - Nathan, 4443 - Peter, 4444 - Rhianna, 4445 - Theo, 4446 - Usain, 4447 - Virginia, 4448 - Will, 4449 - Alexandra, 4455 - Finn, 4456 - Gaz, 4457 - Holly, 4458 - Kyle, 4459 - Lucy, 4460 - Mason, 4461 - Natalie, 4462 - Penny, 4463 - Ricardo, 4464 - Tessa, 4465 - Valerie, 4466 - Victor, 4467 - Wendy, 4468 - Alex, 4469 - Vincent, 4470 - Anthony, 4471 - Buster, 4472 - Codey, 4473 - Debbie, 4474 - Edward
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
Quote from: trident4370 on May 03, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
I don't!
I made up 2 for 2 BC 436 buses
4367-Rob
4368-James
:)
Quote from: trident4370 on May 03, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
Just a coincidence i guess ;)
Quote from: Nathan on May 03, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 03, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
Just a coincidence i guess ;)
I wouldn't want a crappy Trident named after me anyway. Gotta be an Olympian...
Quote from: Matt on May 03, 2014, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 03, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 03, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
Just a coincidence i guess ;)
I wouldn't want a crappy Trident named after me anyway. Gotta be an Olympian...
Or a Citybus? ;)
Quote from: Nathan on May 03, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 03, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
I find It ironic Matt and Nathan are next to each other in that sequence ::)
Just a coincidence i guess ;)
4440 is almost Lauren as well - spooky ???
I would name 4316 Arfur!
4218-60
4163 wa son 900
leaving cov earlier noticed 3 900s enter cov
late? hmm
Were they all in service, surely not?!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 06, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
Were they all in service, surely not?!
At no point today were there 3 900s in Coventry even close together
Ahh, I thought that sounded unlikely tbh.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 06, 2014, 09:45:31 PM
Ahh, I thought that sounded unlikely tbh.
Its very rare for 3 Coventry 900's to be running together the only time you'll probably find them running together is if something has happened along the route. :)
Quote from: Rob H on May 06, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 06, 2014, 09:45:31 PM
Ahh, I thought that sounded unlikely tbh.
Its very rare for 3 Coventry 900's to be running together the only time you'll probably find them running together is if something has happened along the route. :)
Yeah that was my first thought, not only that but I doubt AVL would allow it to happen!
Why is the 45 destination on the Tridents "Rednal" when it terminates on the same road as the 47?
I think there is an answer/comment related the above point in another thread "service changes 27th April".
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 06, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
Were they all in service, surely not?!
At no point today were there 3 900s in Coventry even close together
well
i guess what i see is in correct!
i take a picture next time
left on one of them on time (:47) and another one came in as we approached holyhead road (on time i imagine as it does the :1 5journey) then got to roundabout before Allesley another 900 appears and then one appeared in Meriden also
4906-60
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 08, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 08, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 08, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
4906-60
Was it out allday ?
i beleve so yes saw it at 1520 when walking home from school
If it was heading into Birmingham then that would've been the 15:03 ex Cranes Park :)
Quote from: Rob H on May 08, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 08, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 08, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 08, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
4906-60
Was it out allday ?
i beleve so yes saw it at 1520 when walking home from school
If it was heading into Birmingham then that would've been the 15:03 ex Cranes Park :)
Was a replacement bus, started the day on the 24
There was a Trident parked in the middle of centenary square when I went past at lunchtime, and 4170 has been in the car park of Birmingham metropolitan college on Jennens road all afternoon (I think it was leaving as I walked past at 3pm.
Quote from: N94 on May 09, 2014, 05:00:38 PM
There was a Trident parked in the middle of centenary square when I went past at lunchtime, and 4170 has been in the car park of Birmingham metropolitan college on Jennens road all afternoon (I think it was leaving as I walked past at 3pm.
It was 4629, promoting a play taking place at the REP, set around the Outer Circle route. It even had 11A on the destination blinds
Quote from: Ex BC driver on May 11, 2014, 01:02:39 AM
Quote from: N94 on May 09, 2014, 05:00:38 PM
There was a Trident parked in the middle of centenary square when I went past at lunchtime, and 4170 has been in the car park of Birmingham metropolitan college on Jennens road all afternoon (I think it was leaving as I walked past at 3pm.
It was 4629, promoting a play taking place at the REP, set around the Outer Circle route. It even had 11A on the destination blinds
Would that be the first time a 46** Trident has displayed 11C (Those temporary trips to cover gaps in service all displayed 11E didn't they?)
Probably not, I photographed 4148 on one of those trips with "11A Outer Circle via Selly Oak" on the blinds, I think they did so much as a full trip then changed to 11E, I guess it would depend on how big the gaps in service were on the day.
The 14E Tile Cross working that leaves Birmingham at 08:43 has been extended to Marston Green seen 806 arriving on it then returned to Birmingham at 09:28. :)
4904 & 4908 were both on the 24 all day. No tridents to be seen on either 22 or 23
Not sure if mentioned, a B.C Trident has caught on fire at Bristol Rd South by Morrisons, Rubery operating 63 service.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 14, 2014, 04:27:36 PM
Not sure if mentioned, a B.C Trident has caught on fire at Bristol Rd South by Morrisons, Rubery operating 63 service.
Yes its 4613. There's already a thread for it:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2867.msg96702;topicseen#new
Please keep all discussion regarding the 4613 fire to the appropriate thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2867.0
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 14, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
Please keep all discussion regarding the 4613 fire to the appropriate thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2867.0
I apologise. Was making Bham Central Driver aware that there was already a thread for it
B7LE was on the 73 route few days ago. I think this is first time I've seen it to happen.
@:D the 73 is an Acocks Gren route
2132 was parked at gilbertstone avenue 1445 out of service on BC 58 route
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 16, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
2132 was parked at gilbertstone avenue 1445 out of service on BC 58 route
Rear ended a post van
Unbranded E400 on the 29E
Quote from: Sayeed_M on May 16, 2014, 03:31:18 PM
Unbranded E400 on the 29E
You what?
@Sayeed_MOne wonders if that's the 829 which is now put with the Castle services?
@Sayeed_M the 29 could do with more of that with the loadings I've seen
There was a hybrid on the 829 today
@Liverpool Street
@Matt it was on Colmore Row (the 22/23/24 Stop). I only saw it because i missed the DTS 29...
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on May 16, 2014, 03:31:18 PM
Unbranded E400 on the 29E
You what? @Sayeed_M
One wonders if that's the 829 which is now put with the Castle services?
I believe this is the 29S (it shows 29E) that runs from Shenley Academy to Harborne baths? I understand it's usually a decker but an E400 is a good call.
To save all this discussion the afternoon 829 is on running board 22-18 which goes onto the 22/23 afterwards, so no X64 or anything exotic for 5503
Quote from: Tony on May 16, 2014, 08:42:35 PM
To save all this discussion the afternoon 829 is on running board 22-18 which goes onto the 22/23 afterwards, so no X64 or anything exotic for 5503
@Tony beat me to it ;) Forgot it was on the 22's!
So that E400 on 29E was from Shenley Academy/other Harborne School then.
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 16, 2014, 11:27:36 AM
@:D the 73 is an Acocks Gren route
Oops, I assumed it was a BC route because majority of its route is closer to BC garage.
4169,4435 and i think another trident all on the 22/3 today
Quote from: Nathan on May 17, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
4169,4435 and i think another trident all on the 22/3 today
No just those two which replaced 5401 & 5407 during the day
Quote from: Tony on May 17, 2014, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 17, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
4169,4435 and i think another trident all on the 22/3 today
No just those two which replaced 5401 & 5407 during the day
Cheers :) I thought I saw a third one on the 22 at Bartley Green but my eyes must have been playing up lol ;)
4906,4908,4905,4907-60
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 18, 2014, 10:49:53 AM
4906,4908,4905-60
That is normal for a Sunday. A mixture of Unbranded E400's and Tridents on the Sunday 60 from my observation :)
4149 on what looked like route learning duty today as I seen it Sheldon heading for the airport then about 15-20 minutes later 4149 returned from the airport so possibly route learning for the 900 for the new bus road leading into the airport. :)
Quote from: Rob on May 22, 2014, 06:53:46 PM
4149 on what looked like route learning duty today as I seen it Sheldon heading for the airport then about 15-20 minutes later 4149 returned from the airport so possibly route learning for the 900 for the new bus road leading into the airport. :)
I noticed it on the 878 school [Noticed in Northfield about 1530~] & 45 this evening [Cotteridge 1630ish?] [
@Tony, please confirm the correct times]! Been an eventful day for her then ;)
Oh, sorry for the double post but I think this needs bringing to the top.
A closed source has stated that 4190 has gained an £8 family ticket advert above the passenger doors where branding should be.
But I suppose no one is interested as it isn't in Pensnett.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 22, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Oh, sorry for the double post but I think this needs bringing to the top.
A closed source has stated that 4190 has gained an £8 family ticket advert above the passenger doors where branding should be.
But I suppose no one is interested as it isn't in Pensnett.
I'll keep an eye out for 4190 that'll be interesting to see :)
Quote from: Rob on May 22, 2014, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 22, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Oh, sorry for the double post but I think this needs bringing to the top.
A closed source has stated that 4190 has gained an £8 family ticket advert above the passenger doors where branding should be.
But I suppose no one is interested as it isn't in Pensnett.
I'll keep an eye out for 4190 that'll be interesting to see :)
Spotted 4190 on 60 yesterday
Might be wrong but wasn't 4190 recovered by tow truck from new street station this morning with a diesel leak? Fire brigade had to be called.
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
Quote from: clayderman on May 23, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
Which 20 minute late 24 was that? because at no point today were any 24s 20 minutes late
Quote from: clayderman on May 23, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
4896 was on the 829 this morning seen it heading into Brum on the 9 :) 4897 was out on the 900 round that time. :)
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 23, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
Which 20 minute late 24 was that? because at no point today were any 24s 20 minutes late
I was waiting in town, with those 'realtime' bus stops... It kept saying that the bus will be there in 1 minute, one bus was meant to be there at 7:55, the next at 8:05. I ended up getting the bus at 8:15. Unless the realtime information was wrong. (I was waiting at the Art Gallery Stop on Edmund St)
4630-957
Quote from: clayderman on May 24, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 23, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
Which 20 minute late 24 was that? because at no point today were any 24s 20 minutes late
I was waiting in town, with those 'realtime' bus stops... It kept saying that the bus will be there in 1 minute, one bus was meant to be there at 7:55, the next at 8:05. I ended up getting the bus at 8:15. Unless the realtime information was wrong. (I was waiting at the Art Gallery Stop on Edmund St)
The 7:45 was on time, the 7:55 was 10 late, the 8:05 was 7 late, so there was a 20 min gap, but no bus was 20 late
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2014, 06:17:11 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 24, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2014, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 23, 2014, 05:51:24 PM
Whilst waiting for my (20 minute late) 24, there were 2 E400's on the 22 (4905 & 4907), in related news, 4897 was on the 829 this morning also.
Which 20 minute late 24 was that? because at no point today were any 24s 20 minutes late
I was waiting in town, with those 'realtime' bus stops... It kept saying that the bus will be there in 1 minute, one bus was meant to be there at 7:55, the next at 8:05. I ended up getting the bus at 8:15. Unless the realtime information was wrong. (I was waiting at the Art Gallery Stop on Edmund St)
The 7:45 was on time, the 7:55 was 10 late, the 8:05 was 7 late, so there was a 20 min gap, but no bus was 20 late
I must have miscalculated then. i didn't see the 8:05 bus behind the 7:55 bus until I got to Ridgacre Road Tesco. I may be wrong, but could boarding have taken a while?
WA 633 is at BC
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
WA 633 is at BC
If you mean the B6LE 633 then thats a WN bus James. Do you mean its parked inside the garage!
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
WA 633 is at BC
If you mean the B6LE 633 then thats a WN bus James. Do you mean its parked inside the garage!
It is parked in the yard at the back of the garage
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2014, 07:03:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:58:24 PM
WA 633 is at BC
If you mean the B6LE 633 then thats a WN bus James. Do you mean its parked inside the garage!
It is parked in the yard at the back of the garage
Cheers
@Tony :) Do you possibly know why it is at BC? Having work done maybe?
Quote from: John on May 24, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
4630-957
4425 was back on the 900 today
4910,4913 were parked at yard at BC while 4630 on 957
4899 was parked at yard when 4425 is on 900
pictures of them are on my flickr also WN 633
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: John on May 24, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
4630-957
4425 was back on the 900 today
4910,4913 were parked at yard at BC while 4630 on 957
4899 was parked at yard when 4425 is on 900
pictures of them are on my flickr also WN 633
So what did you do? Just walk in?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 24, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: John on May 24, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
4630-957
4425 was back on the 900 today
4910,4913 were parked at yard at BC while 4630 on 957
4899 was parked at yard when 4425 is on 900
pictures of them are on my flickr also WN 633
So what did you do? Just walk in?
I was with a friend and his dad whos a coach driver for de courcey and asked if we can take pictures inside the yard and said yes as we had hi vizs with us
4368 and a 41** Trident on the 22/23 today :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 24, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: John on May 24, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 24, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
4630-957
4425 was back on the 900 today
4910,4913 were parked at yard at BC while 4630 on 957
4899 was parked at yard when 4425 is on 900
pictures of them are on my flickr also WN 633
So what did you do? Just walk in?
I was with a friend and his dad whos a coach driver for de courcey and asked if we can take pictures inside the yard and said yes as we had hi vizs with us
Fair enough, I guess you asked an engineer of a Saturday? Either way, you've got some decent pictures - with no TWM livery to be seen!
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
4368 and a 41** Trident on the 22/23 today :)
4156 and 4188, so 3 Tridents. That's very unusual for a Saturday these days. Some strangle allocations from BC today.
Quote from: Mike K on May 24, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 09:48:05 PM
4368 and a 41** Trident on the 22/23 today :)
4156 and 4188, so 3 Tridents. That's very unusual for a Saturday these days. Some strangle allocations from BC today.
There were 3 on a few Saturdays back also
What time did you go down
@nxwmbusfan1999 as there seems to be an awful lot of spare buses parked up! Does BC's PVR drastically reduce on a Saturday then? Fantastic pictures btw
Presume 633 is there for work given the shiny wheels!
And is Julie in the dead box? If BC have one, as she's parked next to the remains of 4613
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 24, 2014, 10:55:34 PM
What time did you go down @nxwmbusfan1999 as there seems to be an awful lot of spare buses parked up! Does BC's PVR drastically reduce on a Saturday then? Fantastic pictures btw
Presume 633 is there for work given the shiny wheels!
And is Julie in the dead box? If BC have one, as she's parked next to the remains of 4613
Around 6pm I visited
QuoteAnd is Julie in the dead box? If BC have one, as she's parked next to the remains of 4613
4177 was on Bristol Road on either Thurs or Fri (memory fails me) so if it is out if action then it's very recent.
2147 has been damaged on side on bus next to gilbertstone avenue operating 0825 58 to solihull
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 27, 2014, 08:32:29 AM
2147 has been damaged on side on bus next to gilbertstone avenue operating 0825 58 to solihull
2142 was damaged there as well not but 1.5years ago. Still fairly new then!
I tell ya what, these 21xx's BC's got hasn't half been through the wars!
Seen 4190 today on the 60 with its £8 Family Ticket Advert on the side looked a bit strange I couldn't take a pic as it passed me unexpected.
4621-900 will operating 1818 Coventry-Birmingham
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 28, 2014, 06:15:53 PM
4621-900 will operating 1818 Coventry-Birmingham
God help the driver, it willonly do 44 mph flat out!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 28, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 28, 2014, 06:15:53 PM
4621-900 will operating 1818 Coventry-Birmingham
God help the driver, it willonly do 44 mph flat out!
Been trying to get it over have you .. ;)
A completely trivial observation, but 5407 has had its missing near side leaves and fleetname reapplied. All of 801/4/5 and 7 have had missing bits of branding reapplied.
2115 still at BC, just left city on the 23A. 5408 is not far behind on the 24 (which inter works with the single deck operated 29/A) so wondering whether there are some changeovers or further inter workings with the last journeys of the night? Who knows, I've had a few beers.
2119 is also still at BC, just left Colmore Row NIS after finishing on one of the Harborne services.
4905-60E
4904-60
4190 with fare sticker applied to its is on 60 today aswell
4152 - Looking at Tonys latest photo of this bus on the 70 after refurb it appears to have gone back to dot matrix destinations.
So its gone from dot matrix - LED - dot matrix. Is this a first?
@Bham Central Driver I think 4152's and 4368's displays were swapped when 4368 went for refurb as 4368 gained an LED display when completed and 4152 regained it dot matrix round the same :)
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 01, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
4152 - Looking at Tonys latest photo of this bus on the 70 after refurb it appears to have gone back to dot matrix destinations.
So its gone from dot matrix - LED - dot matrix. Is this a first?
It lost the LED front display not long after gaining it, when it was still branded for the 14.
See https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10514312384/
I think it is a first to go back to dot matrix from LEDs
I don't think it was swapped with 4368, as 4368's display is different than the normal LEDs in other Tridents that have had them, the only one to show up differently on my camera, but yes it was about the same time
Quote from: John on June 01, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 01, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
4152 - Looking at Tonys latest photo of this bus on the 70 after refurb it appears to have gone back to dot matrix destinations.
So its gone from dot matrix - LED - dot matrix. Is this a first?
It lost the LED front display not long after gaining it, when it was still branded for the 14.
See https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10514312384/
I think it is a first to go back to dot matrix from LEDs
I don't think it was swapped with 4368, as 4368's display is different than the normal LEDs in other Tridents that have had them, the only one to show up differently on my camera, but yes it was about the same time
Oh yes, didnt know that. Though I dont drive the 14 very often, thanks John.
Quote from: John on June 01, 2014, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 01, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
4152 - Looking at Tonys latest photo of this bus on the 70 after refurb it appears to have gone back to dot matrix destinations.
So its gone from dot matrix - LED - dot matrix. Is this a first?
It lost the LED front display not long after gaining it, when it was still branded for the 14.
See https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10514312384/
I think it is a first to go back to dot matrix from LEDs
I don't think it was swapped with 4368, as 4368's display is different than the normal LEDs in other Tridents that have had them, the only one to show up differently on my camera, but yes it was about the same time
4368's is a full colour one, different to all others and not from 4152
Am I the only one to notice on 4159s megarear, someone is sticking their fingers up at the camera ::)
Quote from: Mike K on May 31, 2014, 12:00:57 AM
2115 still at BC, just left city on the 23A. 5408 is not far behind on the 24 (which inter works with the single deck operated 29/A) so wondering whether there are some changeovers or further inter workings with the last journeys of the night? Who knows, I've had a few beers.
2119 is also still at BC, just left Colmore Row NIS after finishing on one of the Harborne services.
2115 is now back at AG as it was out on the 71 today. :)
4614 on 876 School Service
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 27, 2014, 08:32:29 AM
2147 has been damaged on side on bus next to gilbertstone avenue operating 0825 58 to solihull
2147 now back on the road out on the 58 today seen it in Solihull this morning about to work the 11:26 to Birmingham :)
Got onto a B7RLE on service 24, towards the terminus, after school. Forgot the Fleet Number. ::)
4150 has a nearside ad for £12 bus pass above the doors, on the 70 today
4159 has "We're your designated driver" above the door, on the 14.
Another later refurbished Trident also on the 14 has an nearside ad also, but only saw it from a distance
4438-900
809 - 63
IMHO it looks brand new and £8 ad really suits well
Just went past 4616 on the 22 in Harborne
I seem to remember a Trident being on the 900 yesterday, 41*2
4441 out on 957 this morning and was replaced by Jessica aka 4911 on the 09:42 ex City
Not sure if its been mentioned already 4139 & 4180 have received side adverts above the doors I've took pics of them links are below :)
4180
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/14196472710/
4139
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/14196472720/
4442 on the 70 done the 71 route from Tile Cross - Chelmsley Wood this morning by mistake turned left out of St Giles Road onto Tile Cross Road then turned right onto Bosworth Drive into Chelmsley Wood it wasn't late or anything just surprised me while I was heading to my cousin Becci's.
4328-957
4435-900
2136 - leaving Chelmsley Wood on 97 now.
4613 is now at Carlyle Bus & Coach, towed in yesterday.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 10, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
4328-957
4435-900
4435 also operated the 08:08 70E Birmingham - Chelmsley Wood and 09:23 70 Chelmsley Wood - Birmingham this morning. :)
Quote from: JoNi on June 10, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
2136 - leaving Chelmsley Wood on 97 now.
I also seen 2136 arrive in Chelmsley Wood on a 97P this morning. :)
Evening peak services
2123-957
saw a 99 branded bus earlier by square peg displaying Congratulations! on blinds
any particular reason?
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 12, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
saw a 99 branded bus earlier by square peg displaying Congratulations! on blinds
any particular reason?
Pictures? Probably just someone with a sense of humour mate ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 12, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 12, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
saw a 99 branded bus earlier by square peg displaying Congratulations! on blinds
any particular reason?
Pictures? Probably just someone with a sense of humour mate ;)
They should make it alternate between "Congratulations"/"And Celebrations"
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 12, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 12, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
saw a 99 branded bus earlier by square peg displaying Congratulations! on blinds
any particular reason?
Pictures? Probably just someone with a sense of humour mate ;)
True
Congratulations - my shift has finished :P ;D
4438 out on Airport 900 today
If I've worked it out correctly it has worked/currently working/should work the following;
07:07 Airport to Birmingham
07:50 Birmingham to Airport
08:36 Airport to Birmingham
09:20 Birmingham to Airport
10:03 Airport to Birmingham
10:50 Birmingham to Airport
11:33 Airport to Birmingham
12:20 Birmingham to Airport
13:03 Airport to Birmingham
13:50 Birmingham to Airport
14:33 Airport to Birmingham
15:20 Birmingham to Coventry
17:14 Coventry to Birmingham
806 was parked in Newtown (Royal Mail) with a PB 63 plate behind both had hazard lights flashing. Not sure how 806 ended up in Newtown
Rob.
I'm just catching 4438 back to Coventry from Brum now so it looks like it does another working after a layover.
Looks as if 2137 is on a late night BR! Maybe they're converting all the scum routes to single deck after YW's debacle?
4903-60E
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 15, 2014, 02:02:03 PM
4903-60E
The unbranded E400's are on the 60/E every Sunday
4435-900
4905 on the 24 this morning. Turns out it's that bus with the new side branding...
Also, 4368 is also on the 24 - seen around 16:02 turning the corner from Colmore Row.
Quote from: clayderman on June 16, 2014, 07:44:31 PM
4905 on the 24 this morning. Turns out it's that bus with the new side branding...
Also, 4368 is also on the 24 - seen around 16:02 turning the corner from Colmore Row.
There's at least 3 enviros with the advert above the doors
@Matt.N0056, didn't realise! Guess I have some spotting to do... Haha! :D
4903 is another with the advert, on the 22/23 today.
4908-60
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
@clayderman saw that one earlier, don't remember it having it
Quote from: clayderman on June 16, 2014, 07:44:31 PM
4905 on the 24 this morning. Turns out it's that bus with the new side branding...
Also, 4368 is also on the 24 - seen around 16:02 turning the corner from Colmore Row.
4368 also has one of these adverts above the door. It's on the 24 again today.
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
@clayderman saw that one earlier, don't remember it having it
Sorry... Your wording has baffled me! Did you mean you saw the bus with the ad or see the bus unbranded? I'm not sure, 4818 is from memory...
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
@clayderman saw that one earlier, don't remember it having it
Sorry... Your wording has baffled me! Did you mean you saw the bus with the ad or see the bus unbranded? I'm not sure, 4818 is from memory...
You may be right actually, given the ads are only on the nearside
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
@clayderman saw that one earlier, don't remember it having it
Sorry... Your wording has baffled me! Did you mean you saw the bus with the ad or see the bus unbranded? I'm not sure, 4818 is from memory...
You may be right actually, given the ads are only on the nearside
Another reason why NX's branding/livery is terrible! They need symmetry! I guess it's cost wise though, what with passengers boarding on that side...
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 17, 2014, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 17, 2014, 05:04:19 PM
@Matt - I think it's 4818 at PN, with one of them... seen on the 9 today.
@clayderman saw that one earlier, don't remember it having it
Sorry... Your wording has baffled me! Did you mean you saw the bus with the ad or see the bus unbranded? I'm not sure, 4818 is from memory...
You may be right actually, given the ads are only on the nearside
Another reason why NX's branding/livery is terrible! They need symmetry! I guess it's cost wise though, what with passengers boarding on that side...
Not sure why you need the same on the offside as nearside? It's not as if you can ever see both at the same time!
Just for advertising purposes mainly...
The two unbranded 200s just passed each other in smelly oak, 809 on the 98 & 808 on the x64 (very busy!)
Two unbranded Enviros on 900 this afternoon with nearside adverts above the doors are -
4904 - buses every few minutes across the West Midlands
with a clock showing 7 minutes to 12.
Depends which stop you're standing at half hourly at the Coventry end of the 900!
4905 - your ticket to..
(words in a swirl flowing out of an Enviro)
work shopping days out pub hospital
nights out school college gym park
The latter is hardly targeted marketing in a world where tickets are being overtaken by Smartcards!!!
Quote from: JoNi on June 19, 2014, 03:34:34 PM
Two unbranded Enviros on 900 this afternoon with nearside adverts above the doors are -
4904 - buses every few minutes across the West Midlands
with a clock showing 7 minutes to 12.
Depends which stop you're standing at half hourly at the Coventry end of the 900!
4905 - your ticket to..
(words in a swirl flowing out of an Enviro)
work shopping days out pub hospital
nights out school college gym park
The latter is hardly targeted marketing in a world where tickets are being overtaken by Smartcards!!!
900 branded and unbranded e400s are usual on 900
ive seen a few e400s/tridents with adverts on the door bit
@nxwmbusfan1999, i don't think JoNi meant that unbranded E400's were unusual on the 900. The point he was making was about the nearside adverts that have been applied to these vehicles :)
4139-957
Enviro "Victoria" (957 branded) > 900
Just passed through Allesley heading towards Cov.
EDIT: post might be better in other thread, posted hastily (mobile phone dying)
809 on the 29, again, from yesterday (not sure if all day, overtook my bus in the morning). Also, 4368 on the 24, again.
In addition, there were three outbound 24's (together) on Harborne High St - E400H, E400 & Trident. Variety much? Haha!
Quote from: Ben on June 20, 2014, 07:06:27 PM
Enviro "Victoria" (957 branded) > 900
Just passed through Allesley heading towards Cov.
EDIT: post might be better in other thread, posted hastily (mobile phone dying)
Victoria is E400 4909 In 957 Brand
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 20, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: Ben on June 20, 2014, 07:06:27 PM
Enviro "Victoria" (957 branded) > 900
Just passed through Allesley heading towards Cov.
EDIT: post might be better in other thread, posted hastily (mobile phone dying)
Victoria is E400 4909 In 957 Brand
Thanks for the verification :)
Quote from: Sayeed on June 20, 2014, 04:56:35 PM
900 branded on the 63
^ Would this be why? Or is 4909 covering for a Trident?
2130-957 (early morning route)
4187-24
4155-23
Harborne High St services have been on diversion today due to the annual Harborne Carnival taking place. Diversion into City has been from War Lane right into Harborne Park Rd down to Metchley Lane then up Metchley Lane up to the Green Man then right onto Harborne Rd back to normal line of route.
Quote from: Nathan on June 22, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
Harborne High St services have been on diversion today due to the annual Harborne Carnival taking place. Diversion into City has been from War Lane right into Harborne Park Rd down to Metchley Lane then up Metchley Lane up to the Green Man then right onto Harborne Rd back to normal line of route.
The Network West Midlands site said the diversion would be Harborne Park Rd, St Mary's Rd, Abbey Rd and Metchley Lane to the Green Man. Did they follow the route above then? Probably makes more sense to be honest.
Quote from: Mike K on June 22, 2014, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 22, 2014, 05:47:13 PM
Harborne High St services have been on diversion today due to the annual Harborne Carnival taking place. Diversion into City has been from War Lane right into Harborne Park Rd down to Metchley Lane then up Metchley Lane up to the Green Man then right onto Harborne Rd back to normal line of route.
The Network West Midlands site said the diversion would be Harborne Park Rd, St Mary's Rd, Abbey Rd and Metchley Lane to the Green Man. Did they follow the route above then? Probably makes more sense to be honest.
I also saw a 22 come the other way (out of city) following the same diversion.
2124 showing Football Special this morning at the square peg :o
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
7 I think.
20 minute frequency / 2hr 20 round trip = 7.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 23, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
7 I think.
20 minute frequency / 2hr 20 round trip = 7.
Thanks LS, makes sense then, 2 spares. They must manage to get the full complement of these washing machines on fast spin out on the road pretty regularly then.
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 23, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
7 I think.
20 minute frequency / 2hr 20 round trip = 7.
Thanks LS, makes sense then, 2 spares. They must manage to get the full complement of these washing machines on fast spin out on the road pretty regularly then.
It is a bit like PEs examples for the 222, 6 buses for 6 boards!
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 23, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
7 I think.
20 minute frequency / 2hr 20 round trip = 7.
Thanks LS, makes sense then, 2 spares. They must manage to get the full complement of these washing machines on fast spin out on the road pretty regularly then.
Unfortunately so! Get the old Zanussi around Welsh House Farm and wake everybody up with their terrible drum spin speed...
I digress..
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:24:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 23, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
I think E200s on the 29/29A are becoming more common these days. Been past my bus at Colmore Row from Thursday. Not too sure about Saturday or Sunday. Mainly Weekdays...
Anyone know the PVR of the 99? One and sometimes two E200s have regularly been on other routes lately but I've not seen anything other than E200s on the 99.
7 I think.
20 minute frequency / 2hr 20 round trip = 7.
Thanks LS, makes sense then, 2 spares. They must manage to get the full complement of these washing machines on fast spin out on the road pretty regularly then.
It is a bit like PEs examples for the 222, 6 buses for 6 boards!
Bring back the B6's, PE 200's are hateful things, what do the other drivers on here think of them? I know
@Liverpool Street makes his views quite clear!
As a passenger the WB ones seem decent, although I'm probably brainwashed by the fact they are new and stand out like a sore thumb in WB
Quote from: uniquicity on June 23, 2014, 10:26:37 PM
As a passenger the WB ones seem decent, although I'm probably brainwashed by the fact they are new and stand out like a sore thumb in WB
@uniquicity I like them, but that's my personal opinion. I'd have an E200 over a B6 anyday, they run on my local route, the 46. They're more practical - from a passenger point of view, than a B6, and the loadings (on my end of the route anyway, Londonderry - West Bromwich) are more suited to a E200 than a Merc (Mercs and B6s used to operate on the 46).
4907-60
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 24, 2014, 03:50:56 PM
4907-60
Are the unbranded E400's used on the 60 in the week or do they use them all on the 24?
Quote from: Nathan on June 24, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 24, 2014, 03:50:56 PM
4907-60
Are the unbranded E400's used on the 60 in the week or do they use them all on the 24?
they use them on sundays on 60/60E and Monday-Friday and Saturdays are tridents
Quote from: Nathan on June 24, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 24, 2014, 03:50:56 PM
4907-60
Are the unbranded E400's used on the 60 in the week or do they use them all on the 24?
There is usually one on the 60 in the week (except Saturdays) it operates an 876 to St Peter's RC School then runs dead to Cranes Park to work the 09:04 60 to Birmingham then stays on the 60 for most if not all day :)
4432-957
4908-60
808 or 809 on the 29A from Harborne, Green Man - Going into City around 8:11am this morning. Also, 4368 on the 24 again.
4425 on 900 with ad on nearside above door.
2130-957 (evening peak)
Hello all , I have been following this website for a while now , great job tony and all those involved in keeping this site going. The e200 adl bus is appalling bus, cheap construction ,cab area rattle like mad, on some I,ve noticed trim coming loose around rear screen area not good. As a current serving driver of nearly 20 years my heart sank when I heard national express signed a five year deal with adl. I hope the all new e400 enviro lives up to the hype. I drive on a regular basis all types of b7tl,s some of the plaxton b7tl vehicles now nearly 15 years old wipe the floor against these new adl products
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
Hello all , I have been following this website for a while now , great job tony and all those involved in keeping this site going. The e200 adl bus is appalling bus, cheap construction ,cab area rattle like mad, on some I,ve noticed trim coming loose around rear screen area not good. As a current serving driver of nearly 20 years my heart sank when I heard national express signed a five year deal with adl. I hope the all new e400 enviro lives up to the hype. I drive on a regular basis all types of b7tl,s some of the plaxton b7tl vehicles now nearly 15 years old wipe the floor against these new adl products
hello & welcome, strangely it isn't just National Express that have gone ADL crazy, a number of the London operators seem very keen on ther products, To be honest i would like to see a little variety added, but i suppose the price was right!
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
Hello all , I have been following this website for a while now , great job tony and all those involved in keeping this site going. The e200 adl bus is appalling bus, cheap construction ,cab area rattle like mad, on some I,ve noticed trim coming loose around rear screen area not good. As a current serving driver of nearly 20 years my heart sank when I heard national express signed a five year deal with adl. I hope the all new e400 enviro lives up to the hype. I drive on a regular basis all types of b7tl,s some of the plaxton b7tl vehicles now nearly 15 years old wipe the floor against these new adl products
What garage are you based, 2900?
And I agree somewhat, I think with EU stranglehold on emissions and speeds and pull offs etc etc have let out for what seems a poorer product.
When we compare the launch of the all-new Dennis Trident/ALX400 it came in leaps and bounds and when I've asked passengers they only really regard the Trident as the first "Proper New Bus" they've had. Even knowing about Presidents and Spectras, the Trident just seemed more advanced.
Unfortunately it seems the Trident is still - in my opinion - a much more revised product in comparison to the modern E400. (Never had the pleasure of the Trident chassis' E400's, except a slight memory of having 4801 on the 9 at BC...)
What's the manufactures obsession of having horrible buttons for the operation of the doors? Little horrible plastic flimsy buttons.
Give me a Trident any day.
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
Hello all , I have been following this website for a while now , great job tony and all those involved in keeping this site going. The e200 adl bus is appalling bus, cheap construction ,cab area rattle like mad, on some I,ve noticed trim coming loose around rear screen area not good. As a current serving driver of nearly 20 years my heart sank when I heard national express signed a five year deal with adl. I hope the all new e400 enviro lives up to the hype. I drive on a regular basis all types of b7tl,s some of the plaxton b7tl vehicles now nearly 15 years old wipe the floor against these new adl products
By powers of deduction, are you a WB driver? As they have a lot of fantastic B7's, love the ALX 400's and some dreadful Enviro 200's
I,ve done 5 years at Hockley garage brilliant place less than 200 drivers we all knew each other by name not numbers , great canteen , retired drivers came in every lunchtime to play cards , great characters with great story's to tell, now at West Bromwich less said the better.
@2900, I miss Hockley too! I live no more than a 5 minute walk... Such a shame to see it go, but still lucky to see the BCT logo engraved into the side wall, and some reminisces of the 'plaques'. Sorry to get off topic...
4614 , 4444-900
2126-957 (Early morning peak)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 28, 2014, 01:17:24 PM
2126-957 (Early morning peak)
Peak time doesn't apply on Saturdays,Sundays or public holidays :)
4368-900
4905-60
4632-900 (evening timetable)
Julie's on the x64 today.
Quote from: Matt on July 03, 2014, 11:04:42 AM
Julie's on the x64 today.
I wonder if 4177 will keep its name upon repaint?
4318-24
4905 - 22/23 for anyone it may concern
Quote from: Mike K on July 05, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 05, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
4318-24
Tridents are the normal allocation for the 24
tbh the only thing you can class as unusual on the 24 is E200's.
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
I,ve done 5 years at Hockley garage brilliant place less than 200 drivers we all knew each other by name not numbers , great canteen , retired drivers came in every lunchtime to play cards , great characters with great story's to tell, now at West Bromwich less said the better.
@2900 Sounded a real good place to work - what routes were operated out of there just before it closed? I don't have a clue as it was a bit before I came into the world of buses!
5514 parked up on the pumps at BC
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 05, 2014, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
I,ve done 5 years at Hockley garage brilliant place less than 200 drivers we all knew each other by name not numbers , great canteen , retired drivers came in every lunchtime to play cards , great characters with great story's to tell, now at West Bromwich less said the better.
@2900 Sounded a real good place to work - what routes were operated out of there just before it closed? I don't have a clue as it was a bit before I came into the world of buses!
I'm probably a bit young to remember but I think some of Hockley's routes at the time were the 8A/C, 16, 66, 68A/C, 101. Think there may be more. Sorry for going off topic.
Quote from: AndrewLee on July 06, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
5514 parked up on the pumps at BC
It was out in service at WN till 20:20-20:25 before coming off 59's and going back to garage. Then it transfered early this morning
Quote from: Nathan on July 06, 2014, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on July 06, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
5514 parked up on the pumps at BC
It was out in service at WN till 20:20-20:25 before coming off 59's and going back to garage so must have been sent as soon as iy finished service
Why? haven't you thought it might have gone this morning!
In the time I spent there services operated at Hockley were 8A/8C 16/16A 65 66 66E 67 68 82 87 88 88E 101 120 127E 128 128E 129 258 , there was one mini bus route 654 I think plus various schools . Then in the summer of 2002 the big garage shuffle happened 87 88 120 128 129 moved to west brom in came 21 29 103 . If i remember 65 67 moved earlier to perry Barr , 258 moved to pennsnet in 2000 . I do miss Hockley garage I was tought to drive there by mick and Jason excellent instructors , mick was of the old skool .
At least on of 5510/3/4 on the 22/23 today, too far away to ID but could tell from the black window surrounds and lack of Hybrid lettering.
Quote from: Mike K on July 07, 2014, 08:49:23 AM
At least on of 5510/3/4 on the 22/23 today, too far away to ID but could tell from the black window surrounds and lack of Hybrid lettering.
All three are on there
Quote from: 2900 on July 06, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
In the time I spent there services operated at Hockley were 8A/8C 16/16A 65 66 66E 67 68 82 87 88 88E 101 120 127E 128 128E 129 258 , there was one mini bus route 654 I think plus various schools . Then in the summer of 2002 the big garage shuffle happened 87 88 120 128 129 moved to west brom in came 21 29 103 . If i remember 65 67 moved earlier to perry Barr , 258 moved to pennsnet in 2000 . I do miss Hockley garage I was tought to drive there by mick and Jason excellent instructors , mick was of the old skool .
I loved it when Hockley took over my local 103 route as Metros were much more common on the route then. They had some excellent examples such as 2535, 2559, 2581, 2707, 2859 (which for what seemed like ages had a dark blue replacement panel near the front destination) + lots of 29**. Much better than the boring newer stuff used on it by BC, both before and then after 2005. The best time was circa 2003 when private hire Metros were used in normal service. Fantastic!
Quote from: j789 on July 07, 2014, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 06, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
In the time I spent there services operated at Hockley were 8A/8C 16/16A 65 66 66E 67 68 82 87 88 88E 101 120 127E 128 128E 129 258 , there was one mini bus route 654 I think plus various schools . Then in the summer of 2002 the big garage shuffle happened 87 88 120 128 129 moved to west brom in came 21 29 103 . If i remember 65 67 moved earlier to perry Barr , 258 moved to pennsnet in 2000 . I do miss Hockley garage I was tought to drive there by mick and Jason excellent instructors , mick was of the old skool .
I loved it when Hockley took over my local 103 route as Metros were much more common on the route then. They had some excellent examples such as 2535, 2559, 2581, 2707, 2859 (which for what seemed like ages had a dark blue replacement panel near the front destination) + lots of 29**. Much better than the boring newer stuff used on it by BC, both before and then after 2005. The best time was circa 2003 when private hire Metros were used in normal service. Fantastic!
Oh yes, lived in Harborne at the time and getting a DP Metro home from work on the 29 or 103 was fantastic! Mind you, quite enjoyed a Lynx on the 29 or 103 which did happen occasionally then also.
I did enjoy the harborne services for the brief time I did them vastly more pleasant than Dudley road. I did get to drive ex airbus vehicles on those services which still had luggage racks and head rests.
Quote from: 2900 on July 06, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
In the time I spent there services operated at Hockley were 8A/8C 16/16A 65 66 66E 67 68 82 87 88 88E 101 120 127E 128 128E 129 258 , there was one mini bus route 654 I think plus various schools . Then in the summer of 2002 the big garage shuffle happened 87 88 120 128 129 moved to west brom in came 21 29 103 . If i remember 65 67 moved earlier to perry Barr , 258 moved to pennsnet in 2000 . I do miss Hockley garage I was tought to drive there by mick and Jason excellent instructors , mick was of the old skool .
@2900 Thanks for sharing that 2900 - sounded a busy garage in its peak!
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 08, 2014, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 06, 2014, 11:47:03 AM
In the time I spent there services operated at Hockley were 8A/8C 16/16A 65 66 66E 67 68 82 87 88 88E 101 120 127E 128 128E 129 258 , there was one mini bus route 654 I think plus various schools . Then in the summer of 2002 the big garage shuffle happened 87 88 120 128 129 moved to west brom in came 21 29 103 . If i remember 65 67 moved earlier to perry Barr , 258 moved to pennsnet in 2000 . I do miss Hockley garage I was tought to drive there by mick and Jason excellent instructors , mick was of the old skool .
@2900
Thanks for sharing that 2900 - sounded a busy garage in its peak!
Also when the fleet had variety! Mercs, Optare, Volvos (Different Bodies), Metrobuses, etc, etc... (Also the Gemini Demonstrator, wasn't that at Hockley,
@2900 ?)
Hockley used to do the odd journeys on the 50/79/78
The demonstrator Gemini arrived at Hockley after I transferred to west brom I did see it a few times on the front park area when I was doing soho road services. I do remember seeing various clip boards hanging up in the mess room with 74 78 79 on them , I was told Hockley operated those services in the past.
4907-60
5402 is parked up in Dudley displaying 1E to Wolverhampton
has this been transferred?
*I've seen the post in the Wolverhampton Garage thread, someone has already answered it
Quote from: OH25 on July 09, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
5402 is parked up in Dudley displaying 1E to Wolverhampton
has this been transferred?
Transfered over today. 5517 now at BC
4139. Spoliers.
@Liverpool Street Am i missing something,, but 4139?
Was on the X64 today ;D
@Stuharris 6360 No idea if that was what LS wanted to say, just felt like joining in 8) (Although it was on the X64)
@Stuharris 6360,
@trident4370 - Nope! I don't want to spoil the surprise, but what would this forum be without spoilers?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 09, 2014, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 09, 2014, 08:33:40 PM
4139. Spoliers.
@Liverpool Street what an intriguing SPOLIER.
Well done for spotting it. It won't be seen on the streets of Birmingham for much longer.
Whoops.
Glad I got a pic of it this morning then!
Blimey haha, didn't realise there was a white "spoiler" (you mis-spelt it
@Liverpool Street ;) - unless it was French for spoil), until someone quoted it.
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 09, 2014, 10:59:12 PM
Blimey haha, didn't realise there was a white "spoiler" (you mis-spelt it @Liverpool Street ;) - unless it was French for spoil), until someone quoted it.
Oh bish Liam, me and my lack of half a brain! (Actually, there is some truth in that)
Unless of course, 4139 is on a route of which enters the city, but not BC.
Quote from: Nathan on July 09, 2014, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: OH25 on July 09, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
5402 is parked up in Dudley displaying 1E to Wolverhampton
has this been transferred?
Transfered over today. 5517 now at BC
5517 on 22/23 this morning still with red destination surrounds and every -- minutes logos on the side. 4445 and an unidentified E400 making up the non-hybrid numbers.
4438 out on the 957 this morning seen it at The Wheatsheaf heading for Solihull around 11:05-11:15
4906-60
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 10, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
4906-60
tbh E400's seem to be a regular occurance on weekday 60's judging by your postings.
A few tridents on X64 today, including 4368... Is this a regular working? I'd much prefer them as a B7RLE operated route. Much better, imo... Unless its a B7/Trident operation now? Is it?
Quote from: clayderman on July 10, 2014, 10:25:26 PM
A few tridents on X64 today, including 4368... Is this a regular working? I'd much prefer them as a B7RLE operated route. Much better, imo... Unless its a B7/Trident operation now? Is it?
@clayderman yeah
4326 is currently brokendown in Allesley Village. Heading towards Coventry. Looks like 4898 Gabriella had to rescue the driver since 4326 would thoretically be the last Cov-Brum bus of the evening. I wonder what the procedure is?
EDIT: 4324 in attendance of 4326, sounds like a replacement was sent into Coventry.
EDIT 2: 'Annie' operated the 23:20 from Pool Meadow.
4326 was driven NIS from Allesley-By a mechanic. 4324 presumably also returned to BC Depot, driven NIS by the original driver of 4326.
And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
EDIT 3: Pictures. 4324:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs6.postimg.org%2Fzftvtr7mp%2FDSC_0088.jpg&hash=2ece729c886650dfe8a91d52102ac70534404010)
4326 (before 4324 arrived):
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs6.postimg.org%2F6rlj49uu9%2FDSC_0087.jpg&hash=06efcf5279ec850eea2114ee1352ffbc2f9b627b)
The two running cards on the X64 which only operate X64 and finish early evening in garage are normally double deck operated. X6405 and X6403. I think that's correct...
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
I'm starting to miss these being at WN. We only have 4 left now and they are bound to leave by next week :(
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Looks like the entire ex-WN batch will receive this. 5518 has the remnants of the red branding and it looks like all of them have been pre-prepared by WN to receive the new Harborne branding.
Not entirely clear where the every 4 minutes comes from though? 22/23 are every 7-8 mins and the 24 is every 10 mins. If you add the 29/A which follow an identical route to Harborne Junction, they are also every 10 mins.
5404/5/6 all out on the 22/23 today, I would imagine tomorrow will be their last day at BC.
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Looks like the entire ex-WN batch will receive this. 5518 has the remnants of the red branding and it looks like all of them have been pre-prepared by WN to receive the new Harborne branding.
Not entirely clear where the every 4 minutes comes from though? 22/23 are every 7-8 mins and the 24 is every 10 mins. If you add the 29/A which follow an identical route to Harborne Junction, they are also every 10 mins.
5404/5/6 all out on the 22/23 today, I would imagine tomorrow will be their last day at BC.
I'd have though the 4 would've applied to the 22/23 only. I know for sure the 24 is every 10 minutes, to be honest, I'd have though the branding should've said up to every 10 mins or 15 mins...
Whilst talking about 54**, bettert catch a ride before they go. Also, been able to spot inside the ex-WN buses... Still got the 1 Branded E400s on the Next Stop screens.
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Looks like the entire ex-WN batch will receive this. 5518 has the remnants of the red branding and it looks like all of them have been pre-prepared by WN to receive the new Harborne branding.
Not entirely clear where the every 4 minutes comes from though? 22/23 are every 7-8 mins and the 24 is every 10 mins. If you add the 29/A which follow an identical route to Harborne Junction, they are also every 10 mins.
5404/5/6 all out on the 22/23 today, I would imagine tomorrow will be their last day at BC.
I imagine it would be based on number of journeys per hour or is that being to simplistic lol. 60/14 = 4.28
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 11, 2014, 11:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Looks like the entire ex-WN batch will receive this. 5518 has the remnants of the red branding and it looks like all of them have been pre-prepared by WN to receive the new Harborne branding.
Not entirely clear where the every 4 minutes comes from though? 22/23 are every 7-8 mins and the 24 is every 10 mins. If you add the 29/A which follow an identical route to Harborne Junction, they are also every 10 mins.
5404/5/6 all out on the 22/23 today, I would imagine tomorrow will be their last day at BC.
I imagine it would be based on number of journeys per hour or is that being to simplistic lol. 60/14 = 4.28
4 + 4 + 6 + 6 = 20
60 / 20 = 3
So there should actually be on average a bus every 3 mins
Didn't include the 29 on mine. Should give that separate W Castle branding, not sure if that will happen.
I guess it depends on whether you include the 29/A (which you should do as the route is the same). However, the timetables aren't co-ordinated so technically it should say 20 buses an hour. Anyway, it looks good so who gives one?
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2014, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Looks like the entire ex-WN batch will receive this. 5518 has the remnants of the red branding and it looks like all of them have been pre-prepared by WN to receive the new Harborne branding.
Not entirely clear where the every 4 minutes comes from though? 22/23 are every 7-8 mins and the 24 is every 10 mins. If you add the 29/A which follow an identical route to Harborne Junction, they are also every 10 mins.
5404/5/6 all out on the 22/23 today, I would imagine tomorrow will be their last day at BC.
I'd have though the 4 would've applied to the 22/23 only. I know for sure the 24 is every 10 minutes, to be honest, I'd have though the branding should've said up to every 10 mins or 15 mins...
Whilst talking about 54**, bettert catch a ride before they go. Also, been able to spot inside the ex-WN buses... Still got the 1 Branded E400s on the Next Stop screens.
Being the geek I am, looking at the timetable of all the Harborne routes, you should get a bus between Harborne and Birmingham every 1-5 minutes, every 4 minutes seems logical, although technically, the branding could read up to every minute ::). Of course, this is a different story on Saturdays, when the 29 & 29A run every half hour each, creating a combined 15 minute frequency.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 09, 2014, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 09, 2014, 10:59:12 PM
Blimey haha, didn't realise there was a white "spoiler" (you mis-spelt it @Liverpool Street ;) - unless it was French for spoil), until someone quoted it.
Oh bish Liam, me and my lack of half a brain! (Actually, there is some truth in that)
Unless of course, 4139 is on a route of which enters the city, but not BC.
@Liverpool Street, I think I understand the clue. Will PM you.
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2014, 11:18:03 PM
As well as 5510, 5514 has gained branding and seen on the 24 today. Finally!
Here some pics of 5510 for those who have not yet seen the new branding
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14655420043/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14632270011/
5514 had a different rear ad on the engine panel
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
WN have 12 E400H's mate all branded for the 1 (5410-21)
@Matt, If you transferred 9 B5's Tridents over from BC then there will be 3 less hybrids at WN. There are something like 19 boards altogether on the 1 in the week so then there wouldn't be enough hybrids to cover all boards.
I suppose also it keeps one type of hybrid at each garage thus reducing the amount of types of bus operated by each garage.
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
Unless, for a conspiracy theory, wolverhampton are to get some enviro singles and Pensnett get some of the wolverhampton Volvo b7s to replace Mercs?
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
No Volvos at WN by the end of the year?!
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 05:36:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
No Volvos at WN by the end of the year?!
Forgot the B7 single decks. It is likely B6s will go this year
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
I'd order Enviro300s and less 200s, give them to Central allowing their B7s to be sent elsewhere. Simple.
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
I'd order Enviro300s and less 200s, give them to Central allowing their B7s to be sent elsewhere. Simple.
But you haven't answered
a) Why standardise BC on AD and not WN when Wolverhampton has an Alexander Dennis base on site!
b) Why transfer the uneven number of buses making it more likely that a route supported by the green bus fund would have non-hybrid buses allocated to it
Also why is Standardisation a bad thing (you have said you don't agree with it further up)
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
I'd order Enviro300s and less 200s, give them to Central allowing their B7s to be sent elsewhere. Simple.
But you haven't answered
a) Why standardise BC on AD and not WN when Wolverhampton has an Alexander Dennis base on site!
b) Why transfer the uneven number of buses making it more likely that a route supported by the green bus fund would have non-hybrid buses allocated to it
Also why is Standardisation a bad thing (you have said you don't agree with it further up)
I was not aware of the ADL base on site - that is a good counter-argument.
However, both the 22/23 and 1 have non-hybrid vehicles allocated to them on a regular basis. Unless you know something I don't, there has not been any issue with that. NX have more pressing issues to address than trying to ensure 100% hybrids on these routes.
Standardisation alone isn't a bad thing, however it should be a side benefit and not a priority. Engineers should be competant enough to understand and work with a variety of vehicles - Green Bus have a huge range of vehicles yet this never presents a problem to the engineers.
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
I'd order Enviro300s and less 200s, give them to Central allowing their B7s to be sent elsewhere. Simple.
But you haven't answered
a) Why standardise BC on AD and not WN when Wolverhampton has an Alexander Dennis base on site!
b) Why transfer the uneven number of buses making it more likely that a route supported by the green bus fund would have non-hybrid buses allocated to it
Also why is Standardisation a bad thing (you have said you don't agree with it further up)
I was not aware of the ADL base on site - that is a good counter-argument.
However, both the 22/23 and 1 have non-hybrid vehicles allocated to them on a regular basis. Unless you know something I don't, there has not been any issue with that. NX have more pressing issues to address than trying to ensure 100% hybrids on these routes.
Standardisation alone isn't a bad thing, however it should be a side benefit and not a priority. Engineers should be competant enough to understand and work with a variety of vehicles - Green Bus have a huge range of vehicles yet this never presents a problem to the engineers.
It has nothing to do with the competance of the engineering staff which makes standardisation a good thing!
Give you a clue.
A part breaks in one of the vehicles in a varied fleet, have they got that part in the stores for everyone of their vehicle types? Or do they order the part in from a supplier meaning vehicle is off the road until it is delivered. If they stock that part for every vehicle in case it breaks that is a lot of dead money sitting in the stores!
If you only have 2 or three vehicle types in a garage you only have to stock two versions of that part.
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 12, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
The new branding looks half decent IMO , does any one know the reasoning why the Volvo b5h have all come central and the enviro went to wolvo . As far as I know there are no enviro 400 at wolves where as Central has them .
The reason Tony gave against the swap going in the opposite direction was that the numbers didn't match, however I don't see why they couldn't have sent the 9 B5s along with 3 Tridents (e.g. 4610-12) up Wolves in exchange for their 12 Enviro hybrids.
Why on earth would you want to do that and cause an imbalance in the number of vehicles which remember are partly paid for from the Green Bus fund for particular services.
If the "Green Bus Fund" really is that restrictive, that is ridiculous. Normally I'd say it's too much like common sense for NX, but I suppose in this case it isn't entirely their fault
Why would you want to do the swop the other way anyway when the numbers match doing it this way. It will also mean Wolverhampton has no Volvo products by the end of the year which also makes a lot of sense as Alexander Dennis have a base at park Lane
For the standardisation of Enviro products at Central, something which I don't agree with but NX seem to be obsessed with.
And Wolves' shedload of Volvo B7s? ???
So what are you going to replace the B7RLEs with st BC if you are going to standardise BC on AD products?
I'd order Enviro300s and less 200s, give them to Central allowing their B7s to be sent elsewhere. Simple.
But you haven't answered
a) Why standardise BC on AD and not WN when Wolverhampton has an Alexander Dennis base on site!
b) Why transfer the uneven number of buses making it more likely that a route supported by the green bus fund would have non-hybrid buses allocated to it
Also why is Standardisation a bad thing (you have said you don't agree with it further up)
I was not aware of the ADL base on site - that is a good counter-argument.
However, both the 22/23 and 1 have non-hybrid vehicles allocated to them on a regular basis. Unless you know something I don't, there has not been any issue with that. NX have more pressing issues to address than trying to ensure 100% hybrids on these routes.
Standardisation alone isn't a bad thing, however it should be a side benefit and not a priority. Engineers should be competant enough to understand and work with a variety of vehicles - Green Bus have a huge range of vehicles yet this never presents a problem to the engineers.
It has nothing to do with the competance of the engineering staff which makes standardisation a good thing!
Give you a clue.
A part breaks in one of the vehicles in a varied fleet, have they got that part in the stores for everyone of their vehicle types? Or do they order the part in from a supplier meaning vehicle is off the road until it is delivered. If they stock that part for every vehicle in case it breaks that is a lot of dead money sitting in the stores!
If you only have 2 or three vehicle types in a garage you only have to stock two versions of that part.
That's a very good point which I had not considered. You're too intelligent!
It depends on whether the savings made in the ways you've described outweigh the costs and hassle of shuffling buses between garages, I cannot make that judgment as I am not in possession of the figures but clearly NX believe they do. However the suitability of the vehicles at each garage for the routes they operate should be prioritised over cost-cutting measures, to ensure an acceptable quality of service is provided.
@Tony and if those 2 vehicle types share common parts that's even better isn't it?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
@Tony and if those 2 vehicle types share common parts that's even better isn't it?
Obviously it would, however I highly doubt two vehicles from different manufacturers would share many parts, if any
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
@Tony and if those 2 vehicle types share common parts that's even better isn't it?
Obviously it would, however I highly doubt two vehicles from different manufacturers would share many parts, if any
I should have been more specific as is two vehicles from the same manufacturer...
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
@Tony and if those 2 vehicle types share common parts that's even better isn't it?
Obviously it would, however I highly doubt two vehicles from different manufacturers would share many parts, if any
I should have been more specific as is two vehicles from the same manufacturer...
That is more likely
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 06:56:46 PM
@Tony and if those 2 vehicle types share common parts that's even better isn't it?
Obviously it would, however I highly doubt two vehicles from different manufacturers would share many parts, if any
I should have been more specific as is two vehicles from the same manufacturer...
That is more likely
According to my heavy commercial vehicle parts catalogue, both the ADL Enviro400 and the Scania Omnilink/Omnicity use the same brake pads. ;)
They have the same ticket machine equipment as well
Most bus manufacturers now a days source gearboxes, axles, steering suspension components from zf lemforder these days . Makes sense to get key components from one source helps to keep costs down ,makes for a better vehicle with parts designed engineered by one company rather than vehicle built using a whole myriad of parts from all over. Just take a look at zf,s website.
This thread moving at pace had to go back quite a bit to make sense of it , I too didn't know Wolverhampton garage has become an adl base, when did this come about , knowing this now it now makes for sending the enviro 400 hybrids there. No volvo b7rle either by before the year is out ,wander where they,ll end up.
Quote from: 2900 on July 13, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
This thread moving at pace had to go back quite a bit to make sense of it , I too didn't know Wolverhampton garage has become an adl base, when did this come about , knowing this now it now makes for sending the enviro 400 hybrids there. No volvo b7rle either by before the year is out ,wander where they,ll end up.
The ADL base has been there since the 45xx Tridents were delivered
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2014, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 13, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
This thread moving at pace had to go back quite a bit to make sense of it , I too didn't know Wolverhampton garage has become an adl base, when did this come about , knowing this now it now makes for sending the enviro 400 hybrids there. No volvo b7rle either by before the year is out ,wander where they,ll end up.
The ADL base has been there since the 45xx Tridents were delivered
They take stock deliveries from Skelmersdale every morning then supply all the TWM garages throughout the day.
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2014, 12:56:35 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 13, 2014, 12:23:15 PM
This thread moving at pace had to go back quite a bit to make sense of it , I too didn't know Wolverhampton garage has become an adl base, when did this come about , knowing this now it now makes for sending the enviro 400 hybrids there. No volvo b7rle either by before the year is out ,wander where they,ll end up.
The ADL base has been there since the 45xx Tridents were delivered
Come to think of it i do remember seeing the ADL base when i was shown round the garage in 2005
5517 now has the new Harborne branding, there are at least 3 different adverts used on the rear of the buses carrying this branding.
4905 & 07 on the 24
Which hybrids have the Harborne branding so far?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 15, 2014, 06:05:52 PM
Which hybrids have the Harborne branding so far?
5510, 14 & 17
Quote from: Sayeed on July 15, 2014, 06:17:57 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 15, 2014, 06:05:52 PM
Which hybrids have the Harborne branding so far?
5510, 14 & 17
The remaining ex WN 1 branded ones all have the red destination surround so will presumably be branded shortly. Looks like all the ex WN ones will be branded but the native BC ones at the moment don't look like they will be.
Quote from: Sayeed on July 15, 2014, 04:02:43 PM
4905 & 07 on the 24
And 4904 on 22/23 this morning. E400s becoming more commonplace on Harborne corridor again lately
4623-900
Has anybody managed to get a shot of one of the branded B5s left side? Noticed today on either 5510, or 5514 - that it had a £1 City Hop ad in the window which went along the lines of 'Broad St to City Centre for £1!' or something like that...
5513 is now branded. On the 24 today.
Right, having travelled on 5 different ex-WN B5s now I'm going to stick my neck out and say these feel better than the native BC ones. The transition from electric power seems more seamless and there seems to be less lag between gear changes. 5518 pulled efforlessly and quickly away into the traffic at Five Ways tonight and was smooth and rattle free. Any drivers please feel free to correct me, I may be talking out of my ar5e. My only gripe is the seating capacity.
I do however miss the variety of having E400Hs on the route.
Quote from: Mike K on July 17, 2014, 10:01:43 PM
Right, having travelled on 5 different ex-WN B5s now I'm going to stick my neck out and say these feel better than the native BC ones. The transition from electric power seems more seamless and there seems to be less lag between gear changes. 5518 pulled efforlessly and quickly away into the traffic at Five Ways tonight and was smooth and rattle free. Any drivers please feel free to correct me, I may be talking out of my ar5e. My only gripe is the seating capacity.
I do however miss the variety of having E400Hs on the route.
I do miss the variety at WN also although i do really like 5403. A very fast bus. Pulls off like a rocket!
5512 now branded
1530
4909 957 broke down at Yardley swan shopping centre while enroute to Solihull
here is one of the ex PL buses branded for the harborne service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14670019266/
Quote from: Mike K on July 19, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 19, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
5512 now branded
So is 5511
5515 and 5518 also now Harborne branded so that leaves only 5516 unaccounted for - which presumably will or already has been done
4192-900
4364 seen leaving Coventry at 09:40 on 900.
Minor and trivial - but 5501-09 have had their offside fleet numbers repositioned to below the drivers cab window, i.e. same place as 5510-18.
4445-957
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 24, 2014, 11:11:54 AM
4445-957
4444 is also on the 957 today got a pic of both I'll post the links later.
Quote from: Rob on July 24, 2014, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 24, 2014, 11:11:54 AM
4445-957
4444 is also on the 957 today got a pic of both I'll post the links later.
got a photo of 4445 on 957
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14730624371/
Here is 4444 & 4445 on the 957 this morning
4444
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/14734181985/
4445
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/14734182195/
4904 on the 22 & other unbranded E400 on the 24
Due to a road closure, some 900 buses (at least one journey for sure) did not serve Meriden in the Birmingham-Coventry journey today.
It was almost non stop NEC > Parkhill Drive along the A45!
This has given me an idea for a new thread...
4432-900
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14718282506/
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 25, 2014, 08:28:29 AM
4432-900
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14718282506/
4441 was out on the 957 today aswell :) Great Pic btw :)
4144 is on the 900E today. Seen crawling through the Digbeth Traffic about 5 minutes ago (13:55)
Quote from: Mike K on July 21, 2014, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 19, 2014, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 19, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
5512 now branded
So is 5511
5515 and 5518 also now Harborne branded so that leaves only 5516 unaccounted for - which presumably will or already has been done
5516 is now Harborne branded so all the ex WN B5s now carry this branding.
Does the X64 interwork with anything else? I'm just curious as by my calculations it has a generous layover in Woodgate. For example the 10:22am service from Birmingham arrives at Woodgate at 11:08am. Then by logic it would not be leaving back for Birmingham till 11:31am and arriving back at Birmingham at 12:17pm. It just seems that 23 minutes is a bit excessive for a layover time.
I don't believe it interworks with anything. There seems to be an X64 parked up at the Wood Lane terminus most times of the day. They tend to layover in the 'outside lane' of the turning area to allow the 23s to pull up to the stop.
Thanks Mike for clarifying that - must be quite good to have that long a layover :) Also that layover time enables late running to be compensated for.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 26, 2014, 03:44:27 PM
Does the X64 interwork with anything else? I'm just curious as by my calculations it has a generous layover in Woodgate. For example the 10:22am service from Birmingham arrives at Woodgate at 11:08am. Then by logic it would not be leaving back for Birmingham till 11:31am and arriving back at Birmingham at 12:17pm. It just seems that 23 minutes is a bit excessive for a layover time.
Eeyup.
Although it is given 23 minutes, the incorrect running time between the final two timing points results in a loss of usually circa 5 minutes.
That would make more sense - 23 minutes looked too good to be true really for a layover! Thanks LS
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 26, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
That would make more sense - 23 minutes looked too good to be true really for a layover! Thanks LS
Well PE241 gets about 35 minutes in the evening (And it did on Sundays until the 20th July changes as it now interworks with the 244E)
4431-900
The 127 evening service to blackheath use have lay over of around 46 minutes up until the changes a while back it's now inter worked with the 128, 140 service when operated by west brom was same great for drivers many bought books bag of food and chilled out, some boards had two of these lay overs. Great stuff.
4444 out on the 957 today passed me in Sheldon heading for Solihull while aboard 4621 on the 70
4318 is on the 957 today
And 4622 is on the 900. Passed on the Coventry Rd at 14:16. It was heading toward B'ham
Quote from: Nathan on August 02, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
4318 is on the 957 today
And 4622 is on the 900. Passed on the Coventry Rd at 14:16. It was heading toward B'ham
Which 957 journey did you catch 4318 on? Also Where abouts on the Cov Road did you see 4622 buddy? :)
So I can work out which journeys 4622 had done :)
Quote from: Rob on August 02, 2014, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 02, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
4318 is on the 957 today
And 4622 is on the 900. Passed on the Coventry Rd at 14:16. It was heading toward B'ham
Which 957 journey did you catch 4318 on? Also Where abouts on the Cov Road did you see 4622 buddy? :)
So I can work out which journeys 4622 had done :)
I didn't catch 4318 sorry. Saw it whilst on 4903 on the 900E to the Airport.
Quote from: Nathan on August 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: Rob on August 02, 2014, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 02, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
4318 is on the 957 today
And 4622 is on the 900. Passed on the Coventry Rd at 14:16. It was heading toward B'ham
Which 957 journey did you catch 4318 on? Also Where abouts on the Cov Road did you see 4622 buddy? :)
So I can work out which journeys 4622 had done :)
I didn't catch 4318 sorry. Saw it whilst on 4903 on the 900E to the Airport.
I spotted 4318 on 957 by Sheldon wheatsheif 1620 going Solihull
One I forgot to ask on Friday is are tridents on the evening X64 (roughly 7 o clock ish) normal or not??
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 03, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
One I forgot to ask on Friday is are tridents on the evening X64 (roughly 7 o clock ish) normal or not??
Normal.
4906-24
4321 showing MODE on the rear dot matrix display. Any one any ideas
Quote from: 2900 on August 06, 2014, 02:21:05 PM
4321 showing MODE on the rear dot matrix display. Any one any ideas
4321 has been displaying that on the rear display for quite a while now.
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
Damn I missed it all I saw on 60 were tridents never captured 4941
Any BC 494 E400s out today
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
And even if they did brand 4940-9 then it wouldn't stop them occasionally appearing on other routes.
4941-957 and 4940 passed digbeth 0900 empty from depot
4943 passed moor street 0910 empty from BC
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 09, 2014, 09:08:41 AM
4941-957 and 4940 passed digbeth 0900 empty from depot
4943 passed moor street 0910 empty from BC
Which departures from B'ham will 4941 do? I want to try and have a ride on one of the new E400's at BC some time today
4941 departed on 0927 957 to solihull
managed to ride 4941 on 1442 957 from Birmingham-Solihull
4943-https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14681045330/
4941-https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14864633331/
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 09, 2014, 09:32:59 AM
4941 departed on 0927 957 to solihull
managed to ride 4941 on 1442 957 from Birmingham-Solihull
4943-https://flic.kr/p/onjcid
4941-https://flic.kr/p/oDx8Bz
Those links aren't hyperlinked. Can you put a working link up please so we van view your photo
Seen 4942 which was out on the 22 today and another on the 24 which may have been 4943 to far away to identify was on 4824 on the 9 at the time.
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
In my opinion, if the 24 would be branded, it'll look quite strange, and sort of rule out the exWN hybrid branding as if it were strictly for services 22 & 23. In theory, the branding most likely to be applied could may well be another Harborne branding for the E400s. If not, then shoot me dead...
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
In my opinion, if the 24 would be branded, it'll look quite strange, and sort of rule out the exWN hybrid branding as if it were strictly for services 22 & 23. In theory, the branding most likely to be applied could may well be another Harborne branding for the E400s. If not, then shoot me dead...
Not sure they'd bother branding these as it would mean they'd see no use in the evenings or on Sundays when the 24 is B7RLE operated due to inter working with the 29/A. 22/23 is usually 100% B5 operated evenings and Sundays.
Quote from: Mike K on August 09, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
In my opinion, if the 24 would be branded, it'll look quite strange, and sort of rule out the exWN hybrid branding as if it were strictly for services 22 & 23. In theory, the branding most likely to be applied could may well be another Harborne branding for the E400s. If not, then shoot me dead...
Not sure they'd bother branding these as it would mean they'd see no use in the evenings or on Sundays when the 24 is B7RLE operated due to inter working with the 29/A. 22/23 is usually 100% B5 operated evenings and Sundays.
Unless the 24 will convert to back to DD operation on Sundays meaning the 29/A become DD operated during these periods?
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2014, 11:29:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 09, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
In my opinion, if the 24 would be branded, it'll look quite strange, and sort of rule out the exWN hybrid branding as if it were strictly for services 22 & 23. In theory, the branding most likely to be applied could may well be another Harborne branding for the E400s. If not, then shoot me dead...
Not sure they'd bother branding these as it would mean they'd see no use in the evenings or on Sundays when the 24 is B7RLE operated due to inter working with the 29/A. 22/23 is usually 100% B5 operated evenings and Sundays.
Unless the 24 will convert to back to DD operation on Sundays meaning the 29/A become DD operated during these periods?
Will all of them be needed? with the B5s appearing on the 24 aswell, the e400s could be used elsewhere
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on August 09, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2014, 11:29:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 09, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: John on August 09, 2014, 08:20:12 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:15:52 PM
Did everyone miss it? 4941(?) on the 60?
I wonder if they will put a new one on the 900 some point next week?
You will probably find that the new Enviro400s will appear on 900/957 as well (with 13 plates on the 24 as well), unless they gain branding for the 24 soon
In my opinion, if the 24 would be branded, it'll look quite strange, and sort of rule out the exWN hybrid branding as if it were strictly for services 22 & 23. In theory, the branding most likely to be applied could may well be another Harborne branding for the E400s. If not, then shoot me dead...
Not sure they'd bother branding these as it would mean they'd see no use in the evenings or on Sundays when the 24 is B7RLE operated due to inter working with the 29/A. 22/23 is usually 100% B5 operated evenings and Sundays.
Unless the 24 will convert to back to DD operation on Sundays meaning the 29/A become DD operated during these periods?
Will all of them be needed? with the B5s appearing on the 24 aswell, the e400s could be used elsewhere
In theory most will be needed. I think there are around 16 boards on the 22/23 so assuming it's 100% hybrid that leaves a couple of spares. PVR of the 24 must be around 8 vehicles so again there will be one or two spares. Don't forget that the Harborne services regularly see 2 or 3 490x E400s each day, and as a result Tridents regularly appear on the 900/957. The 10 new ones should allow for the 24, 900 and 957 to be fully E400 operated, although in practice E400s will find their way onto the 22/23 and B5s onto the 24.
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
I wonder if 4940-4949 will be used on other services on Sundays. If they were used on the 60, it could be converted to 100% Enviro on Sundays
im not out today because of bad weather but i'l be in brum tomorrow if 4940-4949 is out
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
Just done the 957 from Solihull to Birmingham, no sign of any new ones on here today.
Quote from: Cheese on August 10, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
Just done the 957 from Solihull to Birmingham, no sign of any new ones on here today.
I've just boarded 4942 on the 957 in Digbeth
And 4940 has now appeared too. Just passed it in Digbeth at 15:39
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Cheese on August 10, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
Just done the 957 from Solihull to Birmingham, no sign of any new ones on here today.
I've just boarded 4942 on the 957 in Digbeth
And 4940 has now appeared too. Just passed it in Digbeth at 15:39
is 4940 on 957?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 10, 2014, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Cheese on August 10, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
Just done the 957 from Solihull to Birmingham, no sign of any new ones on here today.
I've just boarded 4942 on the 957 in Digbeth
And 4940 has now appeared too. Just passed it in Digbeth at 15:39
is 4940 on 957?
Correct
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 10, 2014, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Cheese on August 10, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2014, 09:37:31 AM
Are any of 4940-49 in service today? I want to try and get a ride on one today. If anybody could tell me then i would be very grateful :)
Just done the 957 from Solihull to Birmingham, no sign of any new ones on here today.
I've just boarded 4942 on the 957 in Digbeth
And 4940 has now appeared too. Just passed it in Digbeth at 15:39
is 4940 on 957?
Correct
4942 just gone past Wheatsheaf to City
Surprised no one has noticed, or at least commented on the revised 97 branding. Photos appearing on the main site in a few minutes for anyone to 'spot the difference'
The 24 hour sticker has changed, noit sure if it looks better or worse?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
The 24 hour sticker has changed, noit sure if it looks better or worse?
Matches the 50 ones
Any 494 enviros on 900,957,60
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 11, 2014, 07:37:56 AM
Any 494 enviros on 900,957,60
Aren't they more likely to be found on the 24?
Quote from: Stu on August 11, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 11, 2014, 07:37:56 AM
Any 494 enviros on 900,957,60
Aren't they more likely to be found on the 24?
Supposedly yes but you will probably find the 24 will still see B5's and the 490*'s. I guess they will start appearing on the 24 when all or the majority of them are in service.
Which leads me to my next question, Are there any out on the 24 today
4943 just left Moor St on 900E to Airport seemingly forming the 09:20 journey.
Quote from: JoNi on August 11, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
4943 just left Moor St on 900E to Airport seemingly forming the 09:20 journey.
I was on 4943 on 0920 900E to airport :)
4941 just seen inbound on 22 in Harborne High Street at 10:15, only to turn round and see 4940 outbound on 24!
4942 inbound Harborne at 10:33 on 24.
Quote from: JoNi on August 11, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
4941 just seen inbound on 22 in Harborne High Street at 10:15, only to turn round and see 4940 outbound on 24!
4942 inbound Harborne at 10:33 on 24.
and two 13 reg E400's also on the 24
Quote from: Sayeed on August 11, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: JoNi on August 11, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
4941 just seen inbound on 22 in Harborne High Street at 10:15, only to turn round and see 4940 outbound on 24!
4942 inbound Harborne at 10:33 on 24.
and two 13 reg E400's also on the 24
There are a couple of Tridents on there too. No sign of any B5's on the 24 today though
Brother said he took part in a Centro questionnaire on Edgewood Road in Rednal the other day, where they asked whether for people's views on 'turn-up-and-go' service along that road. I highly doubt the 63 would be messed with - does anyone know if there are any plans to change the 45 at all?
Quote from: Russ Smith on August 11, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
Brother said he took part in a Centro questionnaire on Edgewood Road in Rednal the other day, where they asked whether for people's views on 'turn-up-and-go' service along that road. I highly doubt the 63 would be messed with - does anyone know if there are any plans to change the 45 at all?
Turn up and go?
98, 45, 63?
Is the 98 turn-up-and-go though? Thought that was every 10 minutes or better along that section. Saying that the 45 is every 12
I'm guessing the definition of 'turn-up-and-go' is a service (or combined service) frequency of 10 mins or less.
This assumption is based on the wording in the recent South Birmingham and Solihull changes, which stated a 'turn-up-and-go' service by combining the 1 and 31 between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak.
Quote from: Russ Smith on August 11, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
Is the 98 turn-up-and-go though? Thought that was every 10 minutes or better along that section. Saying that the 45 is every 12
The 63 is 10minute
The 45 is 12minute
The 98 is 20minute
Still no clue what a turn up and go is though.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on August 11, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
Is the 98 turn-up-and-go though? Thought that was every 10 minutes or better along that section. Saying that the 45 is every 12
The 63 is 10minute
The 45 is 12minute
The 98 is 20minute
Still no clue what a turn up and go is though.
A frequent service (ie 10 minutes or more frequent) so you turn up to the bus stop and don't have to wait long
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on August 11, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
Is the 98 turn-up-and-go though? Thought that was every 10 minutes or better along that section. Saying that the 45 is every 12
The 63 is 10minute
The 45 is 12minute
The 98 is 20minute
Still no clue what a turn up and go is though.
A frequent service (ie 10 minutes or more frequent) so you turn up to the bus stop and don't have to wait long
Which I just stated....
Quote from: Stu on August 11, 2014, 04:17:45 PM
I'm guessing the definition of 'turn-up-and-go' is a service (or combined service) frequency of 10 mins or less.
This assumption is based on the wording in the recent South Birmingham and Solihull changes, which stated a 'turn-up-and-go' service by combining the 1 and 31 between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak.
Although both services are every 20 minutes, they combine to provide the 'turn-up-and-go' service for passengers only using the 'shared' part of the route (ie between Springfield, Acocks Green, Gospel Oak and Solihull Lane). And yes, the theory is that you shouldn't have to wait more than ten minutes for a bus.
Quote from: Stu on August 11, 2014, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 04:27:26 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on August 11, 2014, 04:15:20 PM
Is the 98 turn-up-and-go though? Thought that was every 10 minutes or better along that section. Saying that the 45 is every 12
The 63 is 10minute
The 45 is 12minute
The 98 is 20minute
Still no clue what a turn up and go is though.
A frequent service (ie 10 minutes or more frequent) so you turn up to the bus stop and don't have to wait long
Which I just stated....
Quote from: Stu on August 11, 2014, 04:17:45 PM
I'm guessing the definition of 'turn-up-and-go' is a service (or combined service) frequency of 10 mins or less.
This assumption is based on the wording in the recent South Birmingham and Solihull changes, which stated a 'turn-up-and-go' service by combining the 1 and 31 between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak.
Although both services are every 20 minutes, they combine to provide the 'turn-up-and-go' service for passengers only using the 'shared' part of the route (ie between Springfield, Acocks Green, Gospel Oak and Solihull Lane). And yes, the theory is that you shouldn't have to wait more than ten minutes for a bus.
I was thinking about Hail-And-Ride! Sorry boss
Just saw 4947 and 4948 passing my X51 on Walsall Road - heading down to Birmingham.
4940,4943,4944 are on 22,23,34 routes today
4949
On the pershore rd on the 47 @1015 towards
Cofton Hackett
Quote from: Rainman13 on August 15, 2014, 11:00:22 AM
4949
On the pershore rd on the 47 @1015 towards
Cofton Hackett
4949 just noted going onto Colmore Row to start a 24 journey. Was showing Not in Service on Snow Hill Queensway so maybe come out of the garage?
Quote from: Cheese on August 15, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
Quote from: Rainman13 on August 15, 2014, 11:00:22 AM
4949
On the pershore rd on the 47 @1015 towards
Cofton Hackett
4949 just noted going onto Colmore Row to start a 24 journey. Was showing Not in Service on Snow Hill Queensway so maybe come out of the garage?
I saw it, Not in Service, turning into Carrs Lane with passengers on around half 1. So just coming off the Pershore Road services
I saw 4949 too, on the 45 going back tg town.
The timetable for the 58, 59 and 60 from August 31st, on the NXWM site shows the 58 and 59 interworking which means the 59 will change to single deck.
4944 on 957 today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/14936220956/
First day back from holiday and Harborne appeared Trident free. Lost track a bit but from what I saw at least 4940/1/2/5/6/7/9 were on the 24 along with 5502, 5514 and 5518, and 4943 was on 22/23 along with numerous B5s.
4943 seen leaving Coventry on 900 at 08:10.
Driver paused so that I could take photo as lights changed outside Pool Meadow.
Got reasonable shot of it passing 1548 on 2 as well!
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
From my elevated position in the city centre it's too far to see fleet numbers but the ones I've seen are new 14 plate E400s and B5s. Can't tell whether they're on the 22/23 or 24 though.
4940 out on the 60 today I haven't seen an E400 on the 60 during the week since the schools broke up for the holidays
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
From my elevated position in the city centre it's too far to see fleet numbers but the ones I've seen are new 14 plate E400s and B5s. Can't tell whether they're on the 22/23 or 24 though.
Mile high club eh Mick?!
Managed to get 4941 on way to birmingham, and 4947 return from birmingham. Slow pull off I admit but once get going great bus
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 20, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
From my elevated position in the city centre it's too far to see fleet numbers but the ones I've seen are new 14 plate E400s and B5s. Can't tell whether they're on the 22/23 or 24 though.
Mile high club eh Mick?!
Certainly not joining any mile high clubs with what I'm doing up here LS. Although reading Trident 4194s post if you count the top deck of a 24 as mile high, then his slow pull off might just have gained him membership of said club.
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 20, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
From my elevated position in the city centre it's too far to see fleet numbers but the ones I've seen are new 14 plate E400s and B5s. Can't tell whether they're on the 22/23 or 24 though.
Mile high club eh Mick?!
Certainly not joining any mile high clubs with what I'm doing up here LS. Although reading Trident 4194s post if you count the top deck of a 24 as mile high, then his slow pull off might just have gained him membership of said club.
What? You're not sipping a glass of 'Bollinger' from your Penthouse balcony?
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 20, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
Anyone know what buses on 24 today?
From my elevated position in the city centre it's too far to see fleet numbers but the ones I've seen are new 14 plate E400s and B5s. Can't tell whether they're on the 22/23 or 24 though.
Mile high club eh Mick?!
Certainly not joining any mile high clubs with what I'm doing up here LS. Although reading Trident 4194s post if you count the top deck of a 24 as mile high, then his slow pull off might just have gained him membership of said club.
Haha, there's so many possible responses for that post I just don't know how to respond.
So I'll leave you with this:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F51%2F51e7a829a3e6bb7ddb21d4b49473a086701f55bfbec36211da1862ff9a5f4256.jpg&hash=ba30214a44ff4a18483e0cf9fb6a11f9866bcfd1)
Not the best response but I'm sticking with it.
4940 on 60 again today!
4946 on 957 leaving town at 07:20 to Solihull
Three Scania double decks ran in convoy into BC this morning around eleven o'clock...
Quote from: AndrewLee on August 21, 2014, 07:31:10 PM
Three Scania double decks ran in convoy into BC this morning around eleven o'clock...
4776 should have been with them as well
Didn't clock the numbers - what's the deal with the Scanias Tony?
Quote from: AndrewLee on August 21, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
Didn't clock the numbers - what's the deal with the Scanias Tony?
Private Hire work no doubt, all have Tacho's fitted and are the smartest (in my opinion) buses currenty in the fleet, NXWM livery actually suits the square design
Quote from: AndrewLee on August 21, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
Didn't clock the numbers - what's the deal with the Scanias Tony?
4777; 4778; 4779 & 4780, have gone to Sipson Road to do a weekend Private hire in London, I was told it was 3 + a Walsall Enviro, but just checked and it is 4 Scanias
Private Hire work no doubt, all have Tacho's fitted and are the smartest (in my opinion) buses currenty in the fleet, NXWM livery actually suits the square design
Didn't know that. I agree they do look smart.
3 Tridents on the 24
Quote from: Sayeed on August 22, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
3 Tridents on the 24
436x and 4621 were amongst them.
Quote from: Mike K on August 22, 2014, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on August 22, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
3 Tridents on the 24
436x and 4621 were amongst them.
4315 was the third :)
Also 4941 & 4943 were on the 60 and 4946 was on the 900
Is the X64 fully trident operated now, or is it just me?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 22, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Is the X64 fully trident operated now, or is it just me?
X64-06 would have to be single, as its got a 98 on there, if I remember what a mate told me correctly! Most if not all X64's are on sole X64 mileage so can be 100% decker.
Oh, and I think the night X64's are ran by a 98-xx running board so single deckers there too.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 22, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 22, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Is the X64 fully trident operated now, or is it just me?
X64-06 would have to be single, as its got a 98 on there, if I remember what a mate told me correctly! Most if not all X64's are on sole X64 mileage so can be 100% decker.
Oh, and I think the night X64's are ran by a 98-xx running board so single deckers there too.
Oh I see. Any idea on the Sunday X64 allocations?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 22, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 22, 2014, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 22, 2014, 10:21:10 PM
Is the X64 fully trident operated now, or is it just me?
X64-06 would have to be single, as its got a 98 on there, if I remember what a mate told me correctly! Most if not all X64's are on sole X64 mileage so can be 100% decker.
Oh, and I think the night X64's are ran by a 98-xx running board so single deckers there too.
Oh I see. Any idea on the Sunday X64 allocations?
B7RLE's are used on Sundays and i don't recall seeing a Trident on a Saturday either
4628-900
4946 was on the 60 this morning. But I guess this is becoming normal
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 26, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
4946 was on the 60 this morning. But I guess this is becoming normal
Yes there is usually 2 or 3 E400's on the 60 each day now before there was only the 1 E400 allocated. :)
4942 is also out on the 60 today I got a clip of it on Sheaf Lane passing my stop heading for Cranes Park :)
Here is the clip :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAy_c1vI7a8
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 26, 2014, 02:26:09 PM
4946 was on the 60 this morning. But I guess this is becoming normal
I did notice several of the 494*'s out on the 60 yesterday alongside the usual 490*'s and Tridents
saw these workings this morning
4945-900
4940-60
4942-900E
4944-60
4941-60
I'd say over 90% of the X64's I've seen recently have been Tridents. Haven't seen many B7RLEs at all except on the evenings.
4620 out on the 957 this morning along with E400 4940
A bit late, but I guess BC has decided to use the full scrolling feature on the displays. So far, I've only seen these on Harborne services 23 & 24, but I am assuming they've done it to the 22, not too sure about the 29/A... So there no longer those half-read, scrolling and alternating displays. It's by far much more clearer.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 17, 2014, 01:43:47 PM
The timetable for the 58, 59 and 60 from August 31st, on the NXWM site shows the 58 and 59 interworking which means the 59 will change to single deck.
I know it's from like a week ago, but...
Actually thought they'd have gone the other way with the 59 and upped the frequency
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:55:31 PM
A bit late, but I guess BC has decided to use the full scrolling feature on the displays. So far, I've only seen these on Harborne services 23 & 24, but I am assuming they've done it to the 22, not too sure about the 29/A... So there no longer those half-read, scrolling and alternating displays. It's by far much more clearer.
They've been in use for a few weeks on some of the B5s on the 22/23 although others still have the older part scrolling version (which I think is unintentional as you don't get to read all the via points). The new 14 plates on the 24 also have them. Not seen them in use on the 29 yet.
I've lost count of the number of different styles of display in use at BC.
Not sure if mentioned, but 2121 was operating from BC yesterday (28th Aug).
Don't know what route but was seen entering garage around 8pm after service.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 29, 2014, 01:39:36 AM
Not sure if mentioned, but 2121 was operating from BC yesterday (28th Aug).
Don't know what route but was seen entering garage around 8pm after service.
It's on the 29 this morning.
4947-60
4942-60
4949-60
4940-60
looks like BC60 gonna be a full enviro allocation now :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 29, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
4947-60
4942-60
4949-60
4940-60
looks like BC60 gonna be a full enviro allocation now :)
4945 was also out on the 60 today :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 29, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
4947-60
4942-60
4949-60
4940-60
looks like BC60 gonna be a full enviro allocation now :)
Spotted 4942 about half 12 on moor street as i got off X51
Quote from: jack5512 on August 29, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 29, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
4947-60
4942-60
4949-60
4940-60
looks like BC60 gonna be a full enviro allocation now :)
Spotted 4942 about half 12 on moor street as i got off X51
my shot of 4949 at half 5 at moor street
https://flic.kr/p/oFCJvC
Nice picture - those Enviro 400s look very smart.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 29, 2014, 08:46:31 PM
Nice picture - those Enviro 400s look very smart.
thank you Liberator9
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 01, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
I've never seen this until today, the B7s on the 29 are displaying it too. It looks like the driver changeover point has moved to Colmore Row from Snow Hill too.
4942-900E
4943-60
4946-900E
4948-957
2138-59
Quote from: Mike K on September 01, 2014, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 01, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
I've never seen this until today, the B7s on the 29 are displaying it too. It looks like the driver changeover point has moved to Colmore Row from Snow Hill too.
Why can't other bus garages do that as well damnit... Forever waiting at the stop before Lancaster circus for the sutton / Lichfield rd drivers to change when they could quite easily do it at the Priory / Square Peg
4941-900
Quote from: Kevin on September 02, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 01, 2014, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 01, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
I've never seen this until today, the B7s on the 29 are displaying it too. It looks like the driver changeover point has moved to Colmore Row from Snow Hill too.
Why can't other bus garages do that as well damnit... Forever waiting at the stop before Lancaster circus for the sutton / Lichfield rd drivers to change when they could quite easily do it at the Priory / Square Peg
Tbf, the hybrids (and route 222 E200s) are basically the only buses with speech. Such a shame that they've only done 22 & 23. Would like a voice on the rest of the Harborne corridor. Would be nice to see some on the E400MMCs, destined for the 900/957 when they arrive. :)
Quote from: clayderman on September 02, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 02, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 01, 2014, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 01, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
I've never seen this until today, the B7s on the 29 are displaying it too. It looks like the driver changeover point has moved to Colmore Row from Snow Hill too.
Why can't other bus garages do that as well damnit... Forever waiting at the stop before Lancaster circus for the sutton / Lichfield rd drivers to change when they could quite easily do it at the Priory / Square Peg
Tbf, the hybrids (and route 222 E200s) are basically the only buses with speech. Such a shame that they've only done 22 & 23. Would like a voice on the rest of the Harborne corridor. Would be nice to see some on the E400MMCs, destined for the 900/957 when they arrive. :)
Clayderman, that's not speech we're referring to, it's the message put up on the destination displays when the Harborne services change driver on Colmore Row.
2148-9 School run?
Quote from: filbus1 on September 03, 2014, 09:18:34 AM
2148-9 School run?
Yes. One of the BC 9 boards that then goes onto an 829 to St Paul's school is normally a B7RLE.
This afternoon I travelled on 5515 on the 24 from Colmore Row to Harborne and only saw one E400 on the 24 - 4905.
I also think the "driver changing" displays are a good idea; however I nearly missed 5515 as I was expecting an E400 on the 24 and it was only when the NXWM inspector announced anyone for 24 as the displays did not show 24 on them until after I had boarded.
Ian Hardy
Was briefly in Birmingham yesterday and went out to Harborne around 4.30
On the 24 I saw 4175, 4446, 4903, 4905, 4946, 4947, 4948, 5508, 5516 and 5517. That is 10 buses - I thought the PVR was 9 so was there a change-over?
Incidentally 4945 was on the 23 along with the normal 55xx Hybrids.
4942 - 900
Quote from: JoNi on September 04, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
4942 - 900
4945 is also on the 900 :) Rode on it to the Airport
Quote from: Mike K on September 02, 2014, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: clayderman on September 02, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 02, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 01, 2014, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 01, 2014, 01:24:46 PM
I never knew on bc hybrids they had the message" please alight only, driver change, please stand clear
I've never seen this until today, the B7s on the 29 are displaying it too. It looks like the driver changeover point has moved to Colmore Row from Snow Hill too.
Why can't other bus garages do that as well damnit... Forever waiting at the stop before Lancaster circus for the sutton / Lichfield rd drivers to change when they could quite easily do it at the Priory / Square Peg
Tbf, the hybrids (and route 222 E200s) are basically the only buses with speech. Such a shame that they've only done 22 & 23. Would like a voice on the rest of the Harborne corridor. Would be nice to see some on the E400MMCs, destined for the 900/957 when they arrive. :)
Clayderman, that's not speech we're referring to, it's the message put up on the destination displays when the Harborne services change driver on Colmore Row.
So I see. I thought it was on those CCTV Screens with the voice. ::) Would be nice to have that too though. :)
4940,4945,4948-957
Sorry but can't be bothered to read everything, are these new E400's BC have received for the 60 or 24??
I think it's fair to say that they are being used to supplement the 24 and the Coventry Rd services. So it's by no means noteworthy to see them on the 24, 60, 900 or 957. Or the 22/23 for that matter.
Plenty of 13 plate E400s and spare Hybrids on the 24 lately.
Don't mind about the Coventry Road services but as for 24's same old same old.
BC60 is trident/enviro allocation now but nxwm red/white E400s do sometimes appear on BC22/23/24 routes with normal allocation of hybrids
4949-900
4948-900
4944-957
Before anyone else posts it, there will once again be a load of 14 plate E400s on the 60/900/957 today. Every 24 I've seen so far this morning has been a Trident, B5LH or 13 plate E400.
Quote from: Mike K on September 09, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Before anyone else posts it, there will once again be a load of 14 plate E400s on the 60/900/957 today. Every 24 I've seen so far this morning has been a Trident, B5LH or 13 plate E400.
4940; 4943; 4944; 4948; 4949 are all on the 24
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: Mike K on September 09, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Before anyone else posts it, there will once again be a load of 14 plate E400s on the 60/900/957 today. Every 24 I've seen so far this morning has been a Trident, B5LH or 13 plate E400.
4940; 4943; 4944; 4948; 4949 are all on the 24
I managed, somehow to see none of those this morning which is some achievement! I saw 4903, 4429, another Trident and a Harborne branded B5.
Quote from: Mike K on September 09, 2014, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:01:37 AM
Quote from: Mike K on September 09, 2014, 08:28:36 AM
Before anyone else posts it, there will once again be a load of 14 plate E400s on the 60/900/957 today. Every 24 I've seen so far this morning has been a Trident, B5LH or 13 plate E400.
4940; 4943; 4944; 4948; 4949 are all on the 24
I managed, somehow to see none of those this morning which is some achievement! I saw 4903, 4429, another Trident and a Harborne branded B5.
The other two buses you saw are 4174 & 5513. 4907 completes the allocation
Wasn't the idea to make the 24 allocation Enviro 400 and B5HL? Yet Tridents still appear on the route..
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 11:20:43 AM
Wasn't the idea to make the 24 allocation Enviro 400 and B5HL? Yet Tridents still appear on the route..
Had a trident for school yesterday. Left city at 8:05 (approx) - Haven't seen or been on any 14 plate E400s much. Only today it's been 4949. And that was my third journey on one of the new ones...
Have they changed the 22/23 route?
Well you know where the 11 goes from by the swimming baths then goes over the junction, the way the 29 also goes down. There were 22s and 23s coming from that way and then doing what the 29 does into birmingham, round the island, but the buses were going also stopping there to kitwell and then going the 11 way. There were lots of police cars and ambulances flying round, so might have something to do with it
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 16, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Have they changed the 22/23 route?
Seems to be on diversion due to the closure of Northfield Road. Saw one emerging from Harborne Park Road, going all the way round the island at Harborne baths to head towards city so looked as though it was following the 29 route. Saw another turning right off the High Street into Harborne Park Rd so it looks like from city they were going all the way down the High Street, circling the island and then Harborne Park Road and same as 29 to California.
I'm sure someone like Tony could confirm.
I really should have posted this in the diversions thread.
Quote from: Mike K on September 16, 2014, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 16, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Have they changed the 22/23 route?
Seems to be on diversion due to the closure of Northfield Road. Saw one emerging from Harborne Park Road, going all the way round the island at Harborne baths to head towards city so looked as though it was following the 29 route. Saw another turning right off the High Street into Harborne Park Rd so it looks like from city they were going all the way down the High Street, circling the island and then Harborne Park Road and same as 29 to California.
I'm sure someone like Tony could confirm.
I really should have posted this in the diversions thread.
You explained it better
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 16, 2014, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 16, 2014, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 16, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Have they changed the 22/23 route?
Seems to be on diversion due to the closure of Northfield Road. Saw one emerging from Harborne Park Road, going all the way round the island at Harborne baths to head towards city so looked as though it was following the 29 route. Saw another turning right off the High Street into Harborne Park Rd so it looks like from city they were going all the way down the High Street, circling the island and then Harborne Park Road and same as 29 to California.
I'm sure someone like Tony could confirm.
I really should have posted this in the diversions thread.
You explained it better
Sounds like there may have been an accident of some description, am sure Tony and the super computer can help us here!
If it's due to Northfield Road, that looks like a planned closure that's been in place all day. However I also saw flashing blue lights in Harborne on my way home from work so who knows.
Quote from: Mike K on September 16, 2014, 06:25:54 PM
If it's due to Northfield Road, that looks like a planned closure that's been in place all day. However I also saw flashing blue lights in Harborne on my way home from work so who knows.
From Network West Midlands, "Due to a collapsed Sewer, Service 22, 23, are diverting via Quinton Road, Harborne Park Road due to unplanned closure of Northfield Rd" Expected to continue until 20/09/14
4625 on the 24
808 seen on Broad Street (towards Frankley) on a packed out 29 about midday
Noticed a Trident on the 14 in town said Birmingham right on top but was scrolling Arabic on the bottom :p
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 24, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
Noticed a Trident on the 14 in town said Birmingham right on top but was scrolling Arabic on the bottom :p
If it was a LED Display then you probably seen 4428 as that has punctuation marks scrolling on the bottom every time I see it on the 70. :)
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 24, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
Noticed a Trident on the 14 in town said Birmingham right on top but was scrolling Arabic on the bottom :p
Very apt.
Grace aka 4902 has had her top deck front window replaced.
4904, 4940 and 4944 on the 22/3
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2014, 12:36:41 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 24, 2014, 08:54:02 PM
Noticed a Trident on the 14 in town said Birmingham right on top but was scrolling Arabic on the bottom :p
Very apt.
Searching for a button marked LOL to vote and rate this post! Brilliant.
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 25, 2014, 02:06:10 PM
Grace aka 4902 has had her top deck front window replaced.
Why?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15185020780/ which other depots show this
Does anybody know what's on the Harbournes today?
Quote from: Ashley on September 28, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Does anybody know what's on the Harbournes today?
Probably too late for you now but the usual suspects: B5s on 22/23 including 5502, 5511, 5514 and 5515 that I saw, B7RLEs on the 24/29/29A including 2124, 2134 and 2148.
Quote from: Mike K on September 28, 2014, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ashley on September 28, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Does anybody know what's on the Harbournes today?
Probably too late for you now but the usual suspects: B5s on 22/23 including 5502, 5511, 5514 and 5515 that I saw, B7RLEs on the 24/29/29A including 2124, 2134 and 2148.
All duds, good job I didn't bother but thanks for the reply Mike
4943(?) has a new sticker between the door & the first window, which says 'Built in Britain', over the Union Flag.
Couple of pictures on the main site of these on WN's E200s, got to see it up close today on my 24 journey from the terminus.
Quote from: clayderman on September 30, 2014, 10:44:27 PM
4943(?) has a new sticker between the door & the first window, which says 'Built in Britain', over the Union Flag.
Couple of pictures on the main site of these on WN's E200s, got to see it up close today on my 24 journey from the terminus.
4944 has this sticker also I think one 900 E400 has this aswell. :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 01, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: clayderman on September 30, 2014, 10:44:27 PM
4943(?) has a new sticker between the door & the first window, which says 'Built in Britain', over the Union Flag.
Couple of pictures on the main site of these on WN's E200s, got to see it up close today on my 24 journey from the terminus.
4944 has this sticker also I think one 900 E400 has this aswell. :)
Quite a few now. It's on 4945 as well. Been on it this morning.
Saw 900 branded 4896 appear onto Colmore Row from Livery Street this morning, so might have been on the 22/3/4.
Also, I saw one of PBs Scania deckers heading down Fazely Street towards BC between 10 and 11 (while staring out the window at Millennium Point)
Quote from: N94 on October 08, 2014, 04:42:29 PM
Saw 900 branded 4896 appear onto Colmore Row from Livery Street this morning, so might have been on the 22/3/4.
If it was around 8.10 to 8.15 ish, there was a 900 branded one on the 829 this morning.
Quote from: N94 on October 08, 2014, 04:42:29 PM
Saw 900 branded 4896 appear onto Colmore Row from Livery Street this morning, so might have been on the 22/3/4.
Also, I saw one of PBs Scania deckers heading down Fazely Street towards BC between 10 and 11 (while staring out the window at Millennium Point)
It did the 829/9 school runs which will be any bus due an exam to get it back to the depot by 10am
Harborne Branded B5, 5513(?), now shows 'Kitwell & Woodgate' at the top of it's Super-X destination display for the 23A, not sure if applied to all BC buses yet, or even just all the Harborne Branded buses.
EDIT: I have a picture to show you what it looks like, compared to what it used to look like...
Quote from: clayderman on October 15, 2014, 06:30:45 PM
Harborne Branded B5, 5513(?), now shows 'Kitwell & Woodgate' at the top of it's Super-X destination display for the 23A, not sure if applied to all BC buses yet, or even just all the Harborne Branded buses.
EDIT: I have a picture to show you what it looks like, compared to what it used to look like...
It's like that on all the B5s, I suspect it's like it on all BC LED buses. They change the display on the 23A more often than some change their underwear.
Quote from: Mike K on October 15, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: clayderman on October 15, 2014, 06:30:45 PM
Harborne Branded B5, 5513(?), now shows 'Kitwell & Woodgate' at the top of it's Super-X destination display for the 23A, not sure if applied to all BC buses yet, or even just all the Harborne Branded buses.
EDIT: I have a picture to show you what it looks like, compared to what it used to look like...
It's like that on all the B5s, I suspect it's like it on all BC LED buses. They change the display on the 23A more often than some change their underwear.
Brilliant :D. Anyway, I don't know about you, but I prefer the older version... However, I think the standard alternating display is better than superX any day. Why NX changed them if they're not going to use the scrolling feature is beyond me.
I saw 4428 displaying '45 Rednal', '& Cofton Hackett' alternating between the two
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 15, 2014, 09:22:55 PM
I saw 4428 displaying '45 Rednal', '& Cofton Hackett' alternating between the two
Yes, and the number is offset to the left, like the old days.
Does anyone have a list of the names recently applied to WB E400's by any chance?... I noticed the name 'susan' on 4973 I think it was but I may be wrong :-\
Hi Windy Miller!
They are on the Enviro 400 fleetlist - 4966 is Susan (4973 is Amber)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Hope that helps
The Engine Door on 5506 looks bare. Although I like how it's sporting '5506' in the Cosmos Font (TWM Fontface)
Quote from: clayderman on October 17, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
The Engine Door on 5506 looks bare. Although I like how it's sporting '5506' in the Cosmos Font (TWM Fontface)
The vinlys on it had looked a mess for some time, with the lettering all peeling off. They've finally removed it. Not that I've spent hours stuck behind it in traffic jams or anything.
Why cant the 900 run to the registered timetable, missing journeys all afternoons, poor show for an important service
Quote from: Ashley on October 18, 2014, 06:34:03 PM
Why cant the 900 run to the registered timetable, missing journeys all afternoons, poor show for an important service
Ask a stupid question - get a stupid answer.
As yet Alexander Dennis haven't managed to fit wings to Enviro 400s so they can fly over traffic jams.
Perhaps you might like to tell us which journeys were 'missing', then I will tell you what fleetnumber it was and how late it was, because every single journey has run, just not on time
I'm guessing bad traffic round the Airport and A45 due to the Motorhome & Caravan Show at the NEC?
Quote from: Stu on October 18, 2014, 08:22:46 PM
I'm guessing bad traffic round the Airport and A45 due to the Motorhome & Caravan Show at the NEC?
There were also roadworks causing big delays between Small Heath & Yardley, particularly into City.
The roadworks were causing large delays going into the city - you can't blame NX for the fact the Council has decided to be convenient and turf up part of the road, and putting temporary traffic lights in place. Rode the 957 into city early this afternoon at around 2:30pm and there were sizeable queues forming. By late afternoon it would have been much worse - causing major delays. I still saw 900s running though, in both directions, so at least they were still running.
4425 had to be towed back to BC after breaking down at Frankley yesterday around 6pm
4621 replaced 4905 'Tiah Joy' on the 957 this morning around 08:30 took a pic of 4621 operating the 09:42 from Birmingham on Old Lode Lane by Valley Road link is below.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15634179596/
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 29, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
4621 replaced 4905 'Tiah Joy' on the 957 this morning around 08:30 took a pic of 4621 operating the 09:42 from Birmingham on Old Lode Lane by Valley Road link is below.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15634179596/
I went on 1130 957 from digbeth with 4621
Just seen 900 branded 4898 in West Brom driven by engineer!
What kind of dashboard do the 900 branded enviro 400's have, is it like the ones on the e400H's or like PN's' 400's?
Quote from: NXDom on October 31, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
What kind of dashboard do the 900 branded enviro 400's have, is it like the ones on the e400H's or like PN's' 400's?
61 plates onwards have the current E400 dashboards
Quote from: Nathan on October 31, 2014, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: NXDom on October 31, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
What kind of dashboard do the 900 branded enviro 400's have, is it like the ones on the e400H's or like PN's' 400's?
61 plates onwards have the current E400 dashboards
Oh ok, is its relief in Birmingham?
Quote from: NXDom on October 31, 2014, 11:50:03 AM
Quote from: Nathan on October 31, 2014, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: NXDom on October 31, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
What kind of dashboard do the 900 branded enviro 400's have, is it like the ones on the e400H's or like PN's' 400's?
61 plates onwards have the current E400 dashboards
Oh ok, is its relief in Birmingham?
Yes, high st deritend/adderly st; outside Nissan/Renault
Random :- Why do the 70's change drivers at Mackadown , rather than in centre of Brum especially when they have such a long relief in the city?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 31, 2014, 06:20:23 PM
Random :- Why do the 70's change drivers at Mackadown , rather than in centre of Brum especially when they have such a long relief in the city?
Makes scheduling a lot easier
4942 now has a mustache
Quote from: John on October 31, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
4942 now has a mustache
It was mentioned that a BC bus was getting a tash but didn't secify the fn
Quote from: NXDom on October 31, 2014, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: John on October 31, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
4942 now has a mustache
It was mentioned that a BC bus was getting a tash but didn't secify the fn
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/mo-money-for-movember
Does anyone have a clear picture of 4942 today? (Moustache Bus)
4942 was on the 24 today, just to let you know...
Are NX going to apply moustaches to anymore of the fleet?
Northern Rail have added moustaches to some of their stock, as they did last year
With all due respect to the charities involved, I really wish NX wouldn't waste money doing these kinds of stunts. How about listening to staff concerns and spend the money on the people who male the money for you....
. . . .or even just try to run the company as best you can. NX I'm beginning to lose faith in you.
Marketing and PR all play at part as HR type issues. It could be worse, you could always lose your job.
4942 (moustache bus) is on 60 if anyone needs a photo
BC buses have PB Staff Bus programmed in them? I've heard of a 99 Branded bus displaying this, when they were introducing SuperX displays, but I thought it was only temporary.
I've seen it today on 2131's rear display, before changing into a 29A (Around 4:15pm(?))
Quote from: clayderman on November 04, 2014, 09:38:23 PM
BC buses have PB Staff Bus programmed in them? I've heard of a 99 Branded bus displaying this, when they were introducing SuperX displays, but I thought it was only temporary.
I've seen it today on 2131's rear display, before changing into a 29A (Around 4:15pm(?))
I've just seen 4943 displaying it while changing onto a 24. Was about to take a picture and then it changed.
Quote from: N94 on November 05, 2014, 02:42:47 PM
Quote from: clayderman on November 04, 2014, 09:38:23 PM
BC buses have PB Staff Bus programmed in them? I've heard of a 99 Branded bus displaying this, when they were introducing SuperX displays, but I thought it was only temporary.
I've seen it today on 2131's rear display, before changing into a 29A (Around 4:15pm(?))
I've just seen 4943 displaying it while changing onto a 24. Was about to take a picture and then it changed.
We have BC Staff Bus programmed in our displays too
BC buses have all PB services programmed into them. A few other things as well if you know where to look...
Quote from: AndrewLee on November 05, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
BC buses have all PB services programmed into them. A few other things as well if you know where to look...
Strange, is that why BCs loans have been going to PB, and it must explain why whenever they are on loan, it's superX display...
Anyway. 5515 was on Colmore Row around 17:32 with NXWM Logo on the display.
Is it also to do with the fact that BC/BY/PB are all part of the same Area directorship/region etc?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 07, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
Is it also to do with the fact that BC/BY/PB are all part of the same Area directorship/region etc?
Area dictation? Haha! Sounds about right! Hahaha
Looks like Stagecoach has gone onto the 4942 Movember hype.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15554136537/
The moustache even looks the same, only smaller. ::)
Quote from: clayderman on November 08, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Looks like Stagecoach has gone onto the 4942 Movember hype.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15554136537/
The moustache even looks the same, only smaller. ::)
Yes, there are 59 buses here with moustaches
4942 was parked up outside Centro offices at Summer Ln yesterday.... presume something to do with it's new facial hair! :)
Quote from: Kiewii on November 08, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: clayderman on November 08, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Looks like Stagecoach has gone onto the 4942 Movember hype.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15554136537/
The moustache even looks the same, only smaller. ::)
Yes, there are 59 buses here with moustaches
First of all, I'd like to say I really like your Flickr photos, ;D and secondly:
59?! Much more impressive than just the one. However, I guess it would seem less awkward removing the 'tache before December, unless for some reason they decide to brand the entire fleet mid-november for no other reason. :P :D
Quote from: clayderman on November 08, 2014, 07:44:46 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 08, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: clayderman on November 08, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Looks like Stagecoach has gone onto the 4942 Movember hype.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15554136537/
The moustache even looks the same, only smaller. ::)
Yes, there are 59 buses here with moustaches
First of all, I'd like to say I really like your Flickr photos, ;D and secondly:
59?! Much more impressive than just the one. However, I guess it would seem less awkward removing the 'tache before December, unless for some reason they decide to brand the entire fleet mid-november for no other reason. :P :D
Thanks Clayderman, much appreciated :D
2143 & 2150 out on 97 today.
2150 operated the 08:08 59A from Charles Road, Coventry Road to Chelmsley Wood then went onto the 97.
2123 standing in for the usual E200 on the 14 this morning
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15772833035
4908 on the 24 towards city diverted from Harborne Rd via Chad Rd, Hagley Rd and Five Ways underpass through to Broad St this morning.
Not sure whether this was part of a wider diversion (didn't see any other Harborne buses go this way) or if it was a single bus off piste.
Quote from: Mike K on November 13, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
4908 on the 24 towards city diverted from Harborne Rd via Chad Rd, Hagley Rd and Five Ways underpass through to Broad St this morning.
Not sure whether this was part of a wider diversion (didn't see any other Harborne buses go this way) or if it was a single bus off piste.
Standard diversion between 08:00 & 09:30 for all Harborne services this week due to road works at the junction of Harborne Road/Highfield Road causing severe delays, Last friday journeys were taking over an hour longer than they should
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2014, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: Mike K on November 13, 2014, 10:29:16 PM
4908 on the 24 towards city diverted from Harborne Rd via Chad Rd, Hagley Rd and Five Ways underpass through to Broad St this morning.
Not sure whether this was part of a wider diversion (didn't see any other Harborne buses go this way) or if it was a single bus off piste.
Standard diversion between 08:00 & 09:30 for all Harborne services this week due to road works at the junction of Harborne Road/Highfield Road causing severe delays, Last friday journeys were taking over an hour longer than they should
Ah I see. Yes I got caught up in it last week, was very late for work twice. Since then I've taken a different route to work.
Quote from: AndrewLee on November 05, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
BC buses have all PB services programmed into them. A few other things as well if you know where to look...
Perry Barr buses also have Pensnett route 9 programmed in as well
Quote from: AndrewLee on November 05, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
BC buses have all PB services programmed into them. A few other things as well if you know where to look...
Perry Barr buses also have Pensnett route 9 programmed in as well
Makes sense as its programmed onto BC buses. BC run a couple of journeys in the mornings.
Just curious do PB run journeys on the 70 like the NXWM website indicates ?
Seen 900 branded Enviro in Coventry with maroon advert on back with jet plane between decks. Couldn't get number, think it was 48xx. Is this the only one done. Apologies if this is old news.
Quote from: JoNi on November 16, 2014, 12:24:07 PM
Seen 900 branded Enviro in Coventry with maroon advert on back with jet plane between decks. Couldn't get number, think it was 48xx. Is this the only one done. Apologies if this is old news.
That's 4901 been on it twice today
it has a Turkish Airlines advert on back of it
Thanks NXWMbusfan1999
Has anyone out there any idea where BC Enviro's 4941, 4942, 4944, and 4947 may be employed today please? ( Thursday...20th Nov..many thanks...
Quote from: windy miller on November 20, 2014, 10:02:14 AM
Has anyone out there any idea where BC Enviro's 4941, 4942, 4944, and 4947 may be employed today please? ( Thursday...20th Nov..many thanks...
4941 & 4942 are on the 60
4944 is on the 24
4947 is on the 900
4177 I think ( morrisons bus ) on 22
Quote from: Ashley on November 23, 2014, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 22, 2014, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2014, 05:21:23 PM
4177 I think ( morrisons bus ) on 22
Either that or 4432.
Was 4177. Departed Colmore Row on a 22 between 1945 and 2000
There was another Trident on the Harbornes yesterday as well
Quote from: John on November 23, 2014, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: Ashley on November 23, 2014, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 22, 2014, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2014, 05:21:23 PM
4177 I think ( morrisons bus ) on 22
Either that or 4432.
Was 4177. Departed Colmore Row on a 22 between 1945 and 2000
There was another Trident on the Harbornes yesterday as well
4317 was on there yesterday doing a late night
4942 on the 900 has moustache! Why?
Quote from: JoNi on November 25, 2014, 07:14:32 AM
4942 on the 900 has moustache! Why?
See: http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/mo-money-for-movember
Thanks
Someone allocating buses at BC today has gone to a lot of effort today.
The Pershore Road almost has a full set ot 46xx Tridents
The Bristol Road has most of the unbranded 44xx Tridents
The 14 is 100% 41xx Tridents!
The 60 is 100% Enviro 400
The 24 has no 400s but does have 6 Hybrids on there
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Someone allocating buses at BC today has gone to a lot of effort today.
The Pershore Road almost has a full set ot 46xx Tridents
The Bristol Road has most of the unbranded 44xx Tridents
The 14 is 100% 41xx Tridents!
The 60 is 100% Enviro 400
The 24 has no 400s but does have 6 Hybrids on there
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
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That would probably everyone's favourite day who live on that route.
Not for the passengers (or me! ) - much rather have a Hybrid on there than a Trident.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
That would probably everyone's favourite day who live on that route.
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As someone who does live on that route: a bright, airy, quiet new bus with masses of upstairs legroom, or a 14 year old vandalised box. I know which I'd rather travel on.
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Someone allocating buses at BC today has gone to a lot of effort today.
The Pershore Road almost has a full set ot 46xx Tridents
The Bristol Road has most of the unbranded 44xx Tridents
The 14 is 100% 41xx Tridents!
The 60 is 100% Enviro 400
The 24 has no 400s but does have 6 Hybrids on there
4907, 4940, 4944 & 4948 were 4 of them
Quote from: Mike K on November 29, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
That would probably everyone's favourite day who live on that route.
As someone who does live on that route: a bright, airy, quiet new bus with masses of upstairs legroom, or a 14 year old vandalised box. I know which I'd rather travel on.
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I'd have more comfort in an ALX400 rather then a rubbish toilet seat, quiet nice to see old buses on the routes of the new buses, I like the allocation of BC buses sometimes.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: Mike K on November 29, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
That would probably everyone's favourite day who live on that route.
As someone who does live on that route: a bright, airy, quiet new bus with masses of upstairs legroom, or a 14 year old vandalised box. I know which I'd rather travel on.
I'd have more comfort in an ALX400 rather then a rubbish toilet seat, quiet nice to see old buses on the routes of the new buses, I like the allocation of BC buses sometimes.
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B5 seats are standard NXWM spec seats, just a different style moquette.
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Someone allocating buses at BC today has gone to a lot of effort today.
The Pershore Road almost has a full set ot 46xx Tridents
The Bristol Road has most of the unbranded 44xx Tridents
The 14 is 100% 41xx Tridents!
The 60 is 100% Enviro 400
The 24 has no 400s but does have 6 Hybrids on there
Is the 14 supposed to be 41's only?
Quote from: Mike K on November 29, 2014, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: Mike K on November 29, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 29, 2014, 07:40:07 PM
Only nipped out briefly today but noted 4154 on the 22/23. When Tridents do appear on there it tends to be on Saturdays.
That would probably everyone's favourite day who live on that route.
As someone who does live on that route: a bright, airy, quiet new bus with masses of upstairs legroom, or a 14 year old vandalised box. I know which I'd rather travel on.
I'd have more comfort in an ALX400 rather then a rubbish toilet seat, quiet nice to see old buses on the routes of the new buses, I like the allocation of BC buses sometimes.
B5 seats are standard NXWM spec seats, just a different style moquette.
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Yes, amazing how people slag new buses off for false reasons!
And yes the B5's have the same seats but there is noticeably so much more legroom
My picture of 5513 on the 9 this morning: https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/15744639570/ and a (low quality) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mages_P6s&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: N94 on December 02, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
My picture of 5513 on the 9 this morning: https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/15744639570/ and a (low quality) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mages_P6s&feature=youtu.be
I like how when the 22,23 etc hit Colmore Row, they have the cleaning regime done before the next journey. Pity this isn't done as standard.
Also it is a shame you dont see often the non branded gemini on seperate bc routes.
Quote from: Dutsey on December 03, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: N94 on December 02, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
My picture of 5513 on the 9 this morning: https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/15744639570/ and a (low quality) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mages_P6s&feature=youtu.be
I like how when the 22,23 etc hit Colmore Row, they have the cleaning regime done before the next journey. Pity this isn't done as standard.
Also it is a shame you dont see often the non branded gemini on seperate bc routes.
It was a Centro cleaning scheme if i'm not mistaken. Meant to be a trial, not sure if it's still happening. This'll usually happen around midday.
How long has 4368 been using green LEDs for? Last time I saw it they were still orange. It was on the 22 late last night with green destination displays and Phil Upton shouting out the door as it opened. Could they be trying out the green when its dark to see if its easier to read at night or are they green all the time now?
Quote from: N94 on December 06, 2014, 04:16:51 PM
How long has 4368 been using green LEDs for? Last time I saw it they were still orange. It was on the 22 late last night with green destination displays and Phil Upton shouting out the door as it opened. Could they be trying out the green when its dark to see if its easier to read at night or are they green all the time now?
4368 had a full-colour LED display fitted a year ago, but this is the first time I've heard of it using different colours.
Possibly a trial with a view to fitting the hybrids with full-colour displays, so the green buses have green displays?
Quote from: Stu on December 06, 2014, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: N94 on December 06, 2014, 04:16:51 PM
How long has 4368 been using green LEDs for? Last time I saw it they were still orange. It was on the 22 late last night with green destination displays and Phil Upton shouting out the door as it opened. Could they be trying out the green when its dark to see if its easier to read at night or are they green all the time now?
4368 had a full-colour LED display fitted a year ago, but this is the first time I've heard of it using different colours.
Possibly a trial with a view to fitting the hybrids with full-colour displays, so the green buses have green displays?
I also saw this, pulling into Colmore Row, actually. I found it ironic, as, (when I peered into the brightly lit bus), the LCD Screen inside had the Hybrid Bus' route information screen as well, seeing as it was a Trident... Yeah... VERRRY efficient. ::) lol
I'd hazard a guess it only goes green when on the 22 or 23, I saw it on monday on the Pershore road and it was orange.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 30, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
Someone allocating buses at BC today has gone to a lot of effort today.
The Pershore Road almost has a full set ot 46xx Tridents
The Bristol Road has most of the unbranded 44xx Tridents
The 14 is 100% 41xx Tridents!
The 60 is 100% Enviro 400
The 24 has no 400s but does have 6 Hybrids on there
Is the 14 supposed to be 41's only?
Ha ha anything ex lea hall gets the shite .
What news of 4942? Tony says it's on the 60 today, did it shave? (Was the moustache debranded?)
Also, I saw a 99 branded E200, Not in Service, indicating the right turn to go down Snow Hill Queensway, any ideas where it was going?
The branded 99 off route may have been adjusted if it was late - you go anyway you like to get to where you need to be to take up service.
Quote from: clayderman on December 13, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
What news of 4942? Tony says it's on the 60 today, did it shave? (Was the moustache debranded?)
Also, I saw a 99 branded E200, Not in Service, indicating the right turn to go down Snow Hill Queensway, any ideas where it was going?
4942 hasn't got the moustache now spotted it while on S10
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on December 13, 2014, 10:45:50 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 13, 2014, 07:29:24 PM
What news of 4942? Tony says it's on the 60 today, did it shave? (Was the moustache debranded?)
Also, I saw a 99 branded E200, Not in Service, indicating the right turn to go down Snow Hill Queensway, any ideas where it was going?
4942 hasn't got the moustache now spotted it while on S10
It was for movember wasn't it?
At least they shaved it, better late than never ;)
Thanks Everybody.
Have the timetables changed? Noticed some BC Harborne services running later than usual...
Quote from: clayderman on December 15, 2014, 08:48:26 PM
Thanks Everybody.
Have the timetables changed? Noticed some BC Harborne services running later than usual...
No, How do you tell on routes like Harborne? or do you mean late night buses?
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2014, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: clayderman on December 15, 2014, 08:48:26 PM
Thanks Everybody.
Have the timetables changed? Noticed some BC Harborne services running later than usual...
No, How do you tell on routes like Harborne? or do you mean late night buses?
I'm so sorry. I should've specified. It was the 24. For the past two days (not today) it hadn't arrived for the 08:05 departure. Thanks for your reply. Again, sorry, as I should've specified. :)
Unbranded E200 was on the 23A at 11.45pm Yesterday
Quote from: Sayeed on December 24, 2014, 03:05:32 PM
Unbranded E200 was on the 23A at 11.45pm Yesterday
It was 808. This 23A journey is always a single decker as it comes into Birmingham as a 29 (there's some complex inter workings on Harbornes on some journeys shortly before midnight). Mind you,not common to be on the 24/29 at night, let alone the board that becomes the last 23 from town.
I saw either 808 or 809 pass Rubery Morrisons at about 2110 on Monday night whilst on the 144, seemed abit small but only had about one passenger on
I read Walsall garage taking NX coach dutys from whittles, I,m sure brum Central had some nx coach dutys in the past don't remember exactly when or am I mistaken. May be some one could clear this up for me.
Quote from: 2900 on January 07, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
I read Walsall garage taking NX coach dutys from whittles, I,m sure brum Central had some nx coach dutys in the past don't remember exactly when or am I mistaken. May be some one could clear this up for me.
BC had coaches numbered C001-12
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/C001.html
They are listed near the bottom of this page
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
The contracts and the vehicle passed to Veolia with the staff involved TUPE'd over as well. The routes are mostly those currently operated by DeCourcey
Ah yes those scania coaches used to be familiar site round here where I live bombing up down the Wolverhampton road hard to believe that was 10 years a go. These scanias caused quite a stir when new being highly distinctive from the usual boxes , levante,s look boring by comparison.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: 2900 on January 07, 2015, 11:14:47 AM
I read Walsall garage taking NX coach dutys from whittles, I,m sure brum Central had some nx coach dutys in the past don't remember exactly when or am I mistaken. May be some one could clear this up for me.
BC had coaches numbered C001-12
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/C001.html
They are listed near the bottom of this page
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
The contracts and the vehicle passed to Veolia with the staff involved TUPE'd over as well. The routes are mostly those currently operated by DeCourcey
Thankyou for reminding me Tony, these were fantastic vehicles. I loved maintaining them. We also had NXL1-29, 40, 42, 44 from Nat Ex.
4427 made an appearance on the 957 this afternoon not sure if it replaced a E400
A branded 900 was involved in an accident at Bordesley Circus this morning which resulted in the attendance of all three emergency services. I couldn't see the damage or the fleet number as I was on a 73 going into the city.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 09, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
A branded 900 was involved in an accident at Bordesley Circus this morning which resulted in the attendance of all three emergency services. I couldn't see the damage or the fleet number as I was on a 73 going into the city.
See Bus Accidents/Incident threads.
801 parked up on Halesowen Bus Station with an ambulance in attendance @ 1435
The ambulance was not attending any incident regarding the bus. 801 was parked up due to a coolant leak.
Does anybody know which 900 branded enviro 400 was involved in the accident? As nobody has posted it in the accident/incident thread as of yet.
Anybody seen the 14 branded 46xx's? Looks very smart.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 15, 2015, 10:32:51 PM
Anybody seen the 14 branded 46xx's? Looks very smart.
@Liverpool Street , see Route Branded Buses off route thread
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
At least they are using their newest refurbished Tridents on there! The main PR and BR are still operating with Y reg unrefurbed examples with tired paintwork and etched windows.
They will get new buses, branded these buses suggests to me this one will not.
Quote from: Nathan on January 15, 2015, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
At least they are using their newest refurbished Tridents on there! The main PR and BR are still operating with Y reg unrefurbed examples with tired paintwork and etched windows.
But to be fair that's all what the BR deserve. And its what the drivers would prefer anyway haha
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
So they aren't getting purely 46'xx's then?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 16, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
So they aren't getting purely 46'xx's then?
They are getting 46xx, but not 10 consequetive numbers
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 16, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
So they aren't getting purely 46'xx's then?
They are getting 46xx, but not 10 consequetive numbers
Ahh. The way I read it it was any Trident which was fresh from refurb. I expect 4610 to not be branded with its TWM interior and original red and white livery.
4613 would be on the cards for branding when it returns I expect, possibly 4627 too?
What's the PVR for your favourite route, the 14,
@Tony ? Haha
4611; 4612 & 4614 are all where they should be, on the 14 today, another on the list to be done 4625 is in garage today so I suspect that is currently having the branding applied
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 09:56:50 AM
4611; 4612 & 4614 are all where they should be, on the 14 today, another on the list to be done 4625 is in garage today so I suspect that is currently having the branding applied
I saw 4623 - NIS on Broad Street. I was quite surprised, but something told me that the 14 would've been branded anyway... :P
Anyone able to tell me what route 4633 would be on tomorrow? I want to capture the euro 4 engine with it.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 16, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Anyone able to tell me what route 4633 would be on tomorrow? I want to capture the euro 4 engine with it.
That will be up to the allocator to decide in the morning.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 16, 2015, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 16, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Anyone able to tell me what route 4633 would be on tomorrow? I want to capture the euro 4 engine with it.
That will be up to the allocator to decide in the morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oF1o4LR60U
I'll save you the trouble :P Got to admit if all the ALX ZF Tridents sounded like that, I would actually like them ::)
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
I'm not bothered how I sound to be fair, it just angers me how West Brum get branded new vehicles everytime and in the East we get the bottom of the crop. That is my view, can't see if changing any time soon. :)
West side must have more fare paying clientele I assume that's why the East side of brum ends up with old buses, to be fair they do appear to be in very good condition as Tony has said many are recent refurbs. As your average punter can't tell the difference between a new bus and good refurbed one so why bother.
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 16, 2015, 11:28:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 16, 2015, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 16, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Anyone able to tell me what route 4633 would be on tomorrow? I want to capture the euro 4 engine with it.
That will be up to the allocator to decide in the morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oF1o4LR60U
I'll save you the trouble :P Got to admit if all the ALX ZF Tridents sounded like that, I would actually like them ::)
Get your feet off the rear facing seats! Other people have to sit on them!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
4633 is on the pershore road
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Tbh they seemed to have a pretty loyal following the last time I used them which I must admit was a while ago... They're probably one of the best quality companies in the Midlands though... Fundamentally, I doubt NX will be able to beat unvandalised extremely modern single deckers on that corridor but 54 plate refurbed tridents are definitely an improvement...
On a separate point, what on earth is the point of having most route branding in blue?! Yes it looks nice but the idea of branding is that people can pick out their route from a distance?! With the 50/51/94/97 all using the same or similar colour, what's the point?!
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Tbh they seemed to have a pretty loyal following the last time I used them which I must admit was a while ago... They're probably one of the best quality companies in the Midlands though... Fundamentally, I doubt NX will be able to beat unvandalised extremely modern single deckers on that corridor but 54 plate refurbed tridents are definitely an improvement...
On a separate point, what on earth is the point of having most route branding in blue?! Yes it looks nice but the idea of branding is that people can pick out their route from a distance?! With the 50/51/94/97 all using the same or similar colour, what's the point?!
+ Soho Rd
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Tbh they seemed to have a pretty loyal following the last time I used them which I must admit was a while ago... They're probably one of the best quality companies in the Midlands though... Fundamentally, I doubt NX will be able to beat unvandalised extremely modern single deckers on that corridor but 54 plate refurbed tridents are definitely an improvement...
On a separate point, what on earth is the point of having most route branding in blue?! Yes it looks nice but the idea of branding is that people can pick out their route from a distance?! With the 50/51/94/97 all using the same or similar colour, what's the point?!
+ Soho Rd
Sorry, missed one out, there are that many ;D
I just fail to see the point, it ceases to be proper branding... Just a shame given the different colours they've shown they can use, the Sutton Lines livery looks nice, as does the 17 branding and even the 37/4/H/M branding, despite the lack of colours it works well on the OmniLinks.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Tbh they seemed to have a pretty loyal following the last time I used them which I must admit was a while ago... They're probably one of the best quality companies in the Midlands though... Fundamentally, I doubt NX will be able to beat unvandalised extremely modern single deckers on that corridor but 54 plate refurbed tridents are definitely an improvement...
On a separate point, what on earth is the point of having most route branding in blue?! Yes it looks nice but the idea of branding is that people can pick out their route from a distance?! With the 50/51/94/97 all using the same or similar colour, what's the point?!
Your point above that's the 14 not the 94. I believe the latter has Gemini's these days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 17, 2015, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2015, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
To be fair I haven't used a bus in years, however the same thing annoys me about Tesco stores. You get all the nice ones near their HQ with nice range offerings and crap ones in Brum with a lot of the lines I like not available. Understand you invest where you get growth, however as a potential consumer in consistent offerings send out a clear message to me as a consumer that my business is not valued as much as other groups. Working for a large brand in account management and sales we aim to provide consistent service and levels nationally and across targeted demographics, which is why stuff like this annoys me. Any way end of. Moving on lol.
Why do you constantly complain about the quality of vehicles on the 94, when you don't use it & haven't used a bus in years? Even if they did put new buses on the 94, you still wouldn't use as you no doubt commute by car or other means.
Chill out time when i've got time on my hands. Don't think i've mentioned that route this year.
People not a fan of NXWM's quality on that route have the option of Claribels smart modern single deckers and friendly drivers anyway...
Amen
Tbh they seemed to have a pretty loyal following the last time I used them which I must admit was a while ago... They're probably one of the best quality companies in the Midlands though... Fundamentally, I doubt NX will be able to beat unvandalised extremely modern single deckers on that corridor but 54 plate refurbed tridents are definitely an improvement...
On a separate point, what on earth is the point of having most route branding in blue?! Yes it looks nice but the idea of branding is that people can pick out their route from a distance?! With the 50/51/94/97 all using the same or similar colour, what's the point?!
Your point above that's the 14 not the 94. I believe the latter has Gemini's these days.
Of course, sorry, the 94 is run from PB so couldn't possibly have branded trident/alx400's!! In that case, there hasn't been much of an improvement then ;D :P
NON at all lol. One saving grace missed the green branding stage, last branding before that went about 2008-2010. That was blue
Trident on 22
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 17, 2015, 05:41:25 PM
Trident on 22
There are always one or two on there on a Saturday.
4623 and 4625 noted today with 14 branding.
Quote from: Nathan on January 17, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
4623 and 4625 noted today with 14 branding.
Here's a picture of 4625 in new branding:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/16114994900/
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
I'm not bothered how I sound to be fair, it just angers me how West Brum get branded new vehicles everytime and in the East we get the bottom of the crop. That is my view, can't see if changing any time soon. :)
900 new buses twice in 3 years
957 new buses twice in 3 years
60 lots of new buses on.
71/72 (ex Lea Hall routes that never get new buses) New buses allocated 2 years ago
58/59 again 2 year old buses
Bordesley garage which operates services in East Birmingham has the youngest fleet of any NXWM garage
Oh Sorry, the road that road that heads East out of Birmingham doesn't actually qualify as an East Birmingham route does it?
Yeh East Birmingham getting ignored
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
I'm not bothered how I sound to be fair, it just angers me how West Brum get branded new vehicles everytime and in the East we get the bottom of the crop. That is my view, can't see if changing any time soon. :)
900 new buses twice in 3 years
957 new buses twice in 3 years
60 lots of new buses on.
71/72 (ex Lea Hall routes that never get new buses) New buses allocated 2 years ago
58/59 again 2 year old buses
Bordesley garage which operates services in East Birmingham has the youngest fleet of any NXWM garage
Oh Sorry, the road that road that heads East out of Birmingham doesn't actually qualify as an East Birmingham route does it?
Yeh East Birmingham getting ignored
Although the newer buses are a little more reliable in terms of fuel and etc, the problem is I think they have something in them that makes them slower, so the old buses are good too in terms of speed.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 18, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
I'm not bothered how I sound to be fair, it just angers me how West Brum get branded new vehicles everytime and in the East we get the bottom of the crop. That is my view, can't see if changing any time soon. :)
900 new buses twice in 3 years
957 new buses twice in 3 years
60 lots of new buses on.
71/72 (ex Lea Hall routes that never get new buses) New buses allocated 2 years ago
58/59 again 2 year old buses
Bordesley garage which operates services in East Birmingham has the youngest fleet of any NXWM garage
Oh Sorry, the road that road that heads East out of Birmingham doesn't actually qualify as an East Birmingham route does it?
Yeh East Birmingham getting ignored
Although the newer buses are a little more reliable in terms of fuel and etc, the problem is I think they have something in them that makes them slower, so the old buses are good too in terms of speed.
The hybrids are extremely fast if you get a good, late driver
View still unchanged, but gives a bit more of a perspective to the bigger picture.
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 17, 2015, 07:08:52 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2015, 08:44:10 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 15, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Further proof ex Lea Hall services being left with the crap old buses then.
You're beginning to sound like Bob now. The route get's dedicated buses, the batch chosen is one of the most reliable in BC garage, and then unlike most routes which get a solid number series, the 14 is getting buses which have been through Walsall and had a complete internal retrim most recently as well as a repaint, but they are still 'crap old buses'
I'm not bothered how I sound to be fair, it just angers me how West Brum get branded new vehicles everytime and in the East we get the bottom of the crop. That is my view, can't see if changing any time soon. :)
900 new buses twice in 3 years
957 new buses twice in 3 years
60 lots of new buses on.
71/72 (ex Lea Hall routes that never get new buses) New buses allocated 2 years ago
58/59 again 2 year old buses
Bordesley garage which operates services in East Birmingham has the youngest fleet of any NXWM garage
Oh Sorry, the road that road that heads East out of Birmingham doesn't actually qualify as an East Birmingham route does it?
Yeh East Birmingham getting ignored
I can understand where monkeyjoe is coming from.
It's the main 3 routes which serve Chelmsley Wood that get old buses ie 14, 94 and 97
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
Yes, there are a lot of routes run by operators who people on here praise as being almost perfect that a 10 year old freshly refurbished Trident would be a massive improvement
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
The other issue that people are missing, it that BC have only had 29 new E400's 13 & 14 plate & 18 Volvo B5LH/Wright hyrbids since the 46-- Tridents were delivered back in 2004. BC has a large concentration of Tridents dating from 2001-2004. Until there is a big allocation of new double deckers at BC, I'm afraid it's Tridents for the majority of BC's double decker routes.
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
Yes, there are a lot of routes run by operators who people are here praise as being almost perfect that a 10 year old freshly refurbished Trident would be a massive improvement
Precisely. I don't understand why they would compare it. Yes its nice to have brand new bus or whatever, but like the company will just let decent vehicles go for 'newness' when refurbished vehicles do the job well?
Remember the old NX coaches, like 20-odd years old still going strong? If it wasn't for their dated bodies you wouldn't know the difference. And them MCW Metroliners? Timeless! Refurbished they'd be good, if not better, then the plastic new crap you get today.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2015, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
The other issue that people are missing, it that BC have only had 29 new E400's 13 & 14 plate & 18 Volvo B5LH/Wright hyrbids since the 46-- Tridents were delivered back in 2004. BC has a large concentration of Tridents dating from 2001-2004. Until there is a big allocation of new double deckers at BC, I'm afraid it's Tridents for the majority of BC's double decker routes.
Exactly. The Bristol Road hasn't had new buses since 2002 with the 43's... 13 years with no new buses? Isn't that something worth moaning about in comparison to the 97 which had them branded Omnilinks?
And I'll reiterate my point... THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH TRIDENTS. I travelled on 4179 with the E5 engine, fantastic bus.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 05:37:01 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
Yes, there are a lot of routes run by operators who people are here praise as being almost perfect that a 10 year old freshly refurbished Trident would be a massive improvement
Precisely. I don't understand why they would compare it. Yes its nice to have brand new bus or whatever, but like the company will just let decent vehicles go for 'newness' when refurbished vehicles do the job well?
Remember the old NX coaches, like 20-odd years old still going strong? If it wasn't for their dated bodies you wouldn't know the difference. And them MCW Metroliners? Timeless! Refurbished they'd be good, if not better, then the plastic new crap you get today.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2015, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
The other issue that people are missing, it that BC have only had 29 new E400's 13 & 14 plate & 18 Volvo B5LH/Wright hyrbids since the 46-- Tridents were delivered back in 2004. BC has a large concentration of Tridents dating from 2001-2004. Until there is a big allocation of new double deckers at BC, I'm afraid it's Tridents for the majority of BC's double decker routes.
Exactly. The Bristol Road hasn't had new buses since 2002 with the 43's... 13 years with no new buses? Isn't that something worth moaning about in comparison to the 97 which had them branded Omnilinks?
And I'll reiterate my point... THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH TRIDENTS. I travelled on 4179 with the E5 engine, fantastic bus.
The tridents are better than the adl crap they keep producing. In fact with a shiny red and white and good exterior people would probably think the tridents were newer. Even the alx400 look new, with the shiny paintwork. The pe enviros look wrecked in comparison.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2015, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
The other issue that people are missing, it that BC have only had 29 new E400's 13 & 14 plate & 18 Volvo B5LH/Wright hyrbids since the 46-- Tridents were delivered back in 2004. BC has a large concentration of Tridents dating from 2001-2004. Until there is a big allocation of new double deckers at BC, I'm afraid it's Tridents for the majority of BC's double decker routes.
I agree, there's clearly an issue due to lack of investment. It's a crying shame that only now vehicles 10 years old are being refurbished, some for the first time. I agree with
@Liverpool Street that there's no problem with good refurbished tridents but until recently some were unrefurbed Y reg's with window etching and horrid seats. I don't buy passengers thinking of them as as modern as the PE enviros-they're obviously not, given the number of rattles some of them have...
@Tony Which operators are you referring to?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 06:04:42 PM
The tridents are better than the adl crap they keep producing. In fact with a shiny red and white and good exterior people would probably think the tridents were newer. Even the alx400 look new, with the shiny paintwork. The pe enviros look wrecked in comparison.
If you haven't noticed These Tridents were produced by the same people and in the same factories to the same quality as the 'ADL products.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2015, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Just about the age of the vehicles on the 14 and 97... There is nothing wrong with 44xx and 46xx vehicles when refurbished!!!!
The other issue that people are missing, it that BC have only had 29 new E400's 13 & 14 plate & 18 Volvo B5LH/Wright hyrbids since the 46-- Tridents were delivered back in 2004. BC has a large concentration of Tridents dating from 2001-2004. Until there is a big allocation of new double deckers at BC, I'm afraid it's Tridents for the majority of BC's double decker routes.
Exactly. The Bristol Road hasn't had new buses since 2002 with the 43's... 13 years with no new buses? Isn't that something worth moaning about in comparison to the 97 which had them branded Omnilinks?
And I'll reiterate my point... THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH TRIDENTS. I travelled on 4179 with the E5 engine, fantastic bus.
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I'd expect BC to be the recipient of large numbers of new/nearly new double deckers over the next 2 years, as all buses entering the City Centre on high frequency routes need to be min Euro 4 by 2017 which puts all of BC routes in that category. I'd expect by this point, most of the bus routes in questions plus other entering the City Centre will of had a new/much newer fleet to comply with the new SQPS rules, particularly as NXWM doesn't have many Euro 4 buses.
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 06:07:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 06:04:42 PM
The tridents are better than the adl crap they keep producing. In fact with a shiny red and white and good exterior people would probably think the tridents were newer. Even the alx400 look new, with the shiny paintwork. The pe enviros look wrecked in comparison.
If you haven't noticed These Tridents were produced by the same people and in the same factories to the same quality as the 'ADL products.
I don't get the constant ADL bashing on here. Enthusiasts in Bristol love the new e400's and e200's have arrived on my local route ex London. They've been refurbished by Arriva to a very high standard-leather seats, charging points etc etc. They're fast, rattle free and cope well with the many hills... ADL aren't Britain's leading bus manufacturer without good reason!
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 18, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
@Tony Which operators are you referring to?
Most parts of Go-Ahead group are operating vehicles a lot worse than 10 year old refurbished Tridents
Nottingham have double decks older than the 46xx which haven't had a retrim/tidy up for several years
Transdev Group still have a lot of older stuff despite casting off some very nice newer stuff like those B7RLEs at Diamond.
Then you get to Arriva/First Stagecoach all of which have many vehicles a lot worse.
NX are doing very well in terms of investment at the moment - I'm more than happy now with refurbished Tridents. As Tony says NX are doing much better than First, Stagecoach and Arriva in terms of vehicle investment.
Well when likes of 761 and 804 rattle everywhere possible, with the suspension at times feeling detached, there good reason to moan about them. They are very smart and the Enviro 200s are nippy. However the never ending rattles on some of the Enviro 200s is a pain in the head - ask 2900 and LS about them.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 18, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
Well when likes of 761 and 804 rattle everywhere possible, with the suspension at times feeling detached, there good reason to moan about them. They are very smart and the Enviro 200s are nippy. However the never ending rattles on some of the Enviro 200s is a pain in the head - ask 2900 and LS about them.
The biggest thing to remember with E200s is they are smaller buses with smaller wheels. Don't think any manufacturer has got a small wheeled bus to have brilliant suspension, which also helps cause rattles
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 18, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
Well when likes of 761 and 804 rattle everywhere possible, with the suspension at times feeling detached, there good reason to moan about them. They are very smart and the Enviro 200s are nippy. However the never ending rattles on some of the Enviro 200s is a pain in the head - ask 2900 and LS about them.
The biggest thing to remember with E200s is they are smaller buses with smaller wheels. Don't think any manufacturer has got a small wheeled bus to have brilliant suspension, which also helps cause rattles
Having said that what's the reason for the bottom of the bus feeling like its going to fall out? Steering feeling detached and loose; I remember the B6's they were twice the bus the E200's are! Same size wheels too.. Obviously they were more unstae then a full size single, but nothing like 804. I enjoyed driving the B6's, glad I haven't had the unfortunate pleasure to be stuck in a E200 for 8hours a day!!!
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 18, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
@Tony Which operators are you referring to?
Most parts of Go-Ahead group are operating vehicles a lot worse than 10 year old refurbished Tridents
Nottingham have double decks older than the 46xx which haven't had a retrim/tidy up for several years
Transdev Group still have a lot of older stuff despite casting off some very nice newer stuff like those B7RLEs at Diamond.
Then you get to Arriva/First Stagecoach all of which have many vehicles a lot worse.
All valid. Go Ahead East Anglia ops in particular have some really old vehicles. Nottingham, as you say older unrefurbed OmniDekkas.
And Transdev... They seem to be releasing off lease the good stuff ie Versas Central have and b7rle's Rotala acquired back last year... Odd given the number of old deckers in particular and even vehicles like Renowns that don't have long left with other groups they could be replacing and selling instead?!
Wellglade group could be added, there's tonnes of old stuff at Notts and Derby!
Current NX investment levels are fantastic and I just hope they're maintained.
Don't forget the state of the roads
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
I completely agree about the 62 plates, I wonder if the newer E200's at WA/WB/WN are any better.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
Agreed, yes the roads round Welsh house farm are bumpy, but the b6s never felt like you were on the rim of the road. Also the darts such as 3601 series never were that bad nor were the solos. Yes they cope up hills better than b6s, but there not that quick tbh
Quote from: 979 on January 18, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
I wonder if the newer E200's at WA/WB/WN are any better as I completely agree about the 62 plates.
The 64 plates aren't much better, WN844 being undoubtedly the worst of WN's, with a horrific noise coming from the back of the bus (No, it's not the engine ;))
[Snip!] Courtesy of LS [/Snip!] - You wouldn't find me on an E200 lol
Getting back to BC garage happenings, How many Tridents will be branded up for the 14 altogether?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 18, 2015, 06:40:41 PM
Quote from: 979 on January 18, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
I wonder if the newer E200's at WA/WB/WN are any better as I completely agree about the 62 plates.
The 64 plates aren't much better, WN844 being undoubtedly the worst of WN's, with a horrific noise coming from the back of the bus (No, it's not the engine ;))
I can only go by the ones I drove at Silverline, and can confirm they were awful. When you go over anything remotely uneven on the road, the bodywork appears to lurch in a different direction to the chassis and everything rattles and squeaks infuriatingly. They even make early Darts seem appealing to drive.
The only worse buses I have ever had to suffer were the 62 plate door forward Streetlites. I can't begin to explain how awful these contraptions are.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
Agreed, yes the roads round Welsh house farm are bumpy, but the b6s never felt like you were on the rim of the road. Also the darts such as 3601 series never were that bad nor were the solos. Yes they cope up hills better than b6s, but there not that quick tbh
Meh. Hill climb speed isn't that impressive when they take 30 seconds to get to 30mph
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
Agreed, yes the roads round Welsh house farm are bumpy, but the b6s never felt like you were on the rim of the road. Also the darts such as 3601 series never were that bad nor were the solos. Yes they cope up hills better than b6s, but there not that quick tbh
Meh. Hill climb speed isn't that impressive when they take 30 seconds to get to 30mph
They hardly ever reach 30 mph, due to the route there on, same with 222
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 07:13:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 18, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 18, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Don't forget the state of the roads
The B6's didn't have half the issues over pot holes as does the E200's do.
Just in case my point isn't clear; I truly hate the E200's. I've never hated anything as much as those buses. If my car was half as bad as them, I'd send it straight back to the manufacturer.
Agreed, yes the roads round Welsh house farm are bumpy, but the b6s never felt like you were on the rim of the road. Also the darts such as 3601 series never were that bad nor were the solos. Yes they cope up hills better than b6s, but there not that quick tbh
Meh. Hill climb speed isn't that impressive when they take 30 seconds to get to 30mph
They hardly ever reach 30 mph, due to the route there on, same with 222
Oh, trust me
@Trident 4194 , there's certainly some drivers who will drive the pieces of shit to destruction. Well over 30mph over those roads
Quote from: Matt on January 20, 2015, 08:00:48 PM
801 has rubbish on its side display
Seems to be becoming a regular occurance!!
Could possibly be in several other topics, but I'm sure 4895 was out on the Pershore Road this morning - however I didn't notice it as a branded vehicle? Not sure whether I just need glasses or whether it is now de-branded?
Quote from: notepanel on February 02, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
Could possibly be in several other topics, but I'm sure 4895 was out on the Pershore Road this morning - however I didn't notice it as a branded vehicle? Not sure whether I just need glasses or whether it is now de-branded?
No you don't need glasses. It was one of two Enviros on morning peak boards on the Pershore Road with 4942. 2134 has added the variety on there in the evening peak
4898 has re-entered service, seen it today in Coventry on the 900, following the accident but with the front branding and name missing, with just a plain red front with no logo.
This bus now has no name as there is an advert on the back covering the rear name as well.
Are 4611/12/13/14/15 and 4624/25/26 all of the 14 branded buses, or are there any more I've missed?
Quote from: John on February 05, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Are 4611/12/13/14/15 and 4624/25/26 all of the 14 branded buses, or are there any more I've missed?
4623 and 4627 are done aswell if it helps.
Quote from: trident4370 on February 05, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: John on February 05, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Are 4611/12/13/14/15 and 4624/25/26 all of the 14 branded buses, or are there any more I've missed?
4623 and 4627 are done aswell if it helps.
And 4613 should be done now
Quote from: trident4370 on February 05, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: John on February 05, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Are 4611/12/13/14/15 and 4624/25/26 all of the 14 branded buses, or are there any more I've missed?
4623 and 4627 are done aswell if it helps.
It does. Thanks Joe :D
4457 appeared to have broken down on the 97 at around 16:30. It was parked with hazard lights flashing at the towards City stop at the Great Barr Street/Fazeley Street/Liverpool Street lights, almost at BC garage. This is an awkwardly placed stop and junction at the best of times without a bus stuck there.
Quote from: Matt on February 05, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
PD0001111/30 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Moor St Queensway and Solihull Rail Station given service number 957 effective from 08-Feb-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
Solihull travel shop nor BC aware of any changes!
Might be linked to the Solihull Gateway project.
From a very detailed search of Traveline, it appears the 2107 & 2137 from Solihull will now divert via the Jaguar Land Rover site entrance, with no impact on any other stops.
I did have a quick look on NWM site, didn't notice about the Land Rover (although that seems to be the route change for the 37), so could be just that. Also the timing point at the Swan Centre has move to the main centre.
And the stop in solihull town centre has move to SA.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on February 07, 2015, 12:24:28 PM
I did have a quick look on NWM site, didn't notice about the Land Rover (although that seems to be the route change for the 37), so could be just that. Also the timing point at the Swan Centre has move to the main centre.
And the stop in solihull town centre has move to SA.
The 37 has had those extended journeys to Land Rover for some time now. The 71 has an extra journey out of Solihull added at 21:30, and both this and the 21:00 journeys will call at Land Rover same as the two 957 journeys.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
I think 2144 was also on it (although can't be 100% sure!)....
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 07, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
I think 2144 was also on it (although can't be 100% sure!)....
2144 was also on, along with a third.
Oh wow I really hope this is the start of the withdrawal of E200's...
(No such luck)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
Oh wow I really hope this is the start of the withdrawal of E200's...
(No such luck)
@Liverpool Street PE could do with some more E200s, swap for some Mercs for BC.
Whilst doing a 144 today I saw 2 Tridents/B7 (can never tell when driving) doing the x64, are deckers used on this route all the time now?
Quote from: j789 on February 07, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
Whilst doing a 144 today I saw 2 Tridents/B7 (can never tell when driving) doing the x64, are deckers used on this route all the time now?
@j789 Tridents are used everyday except Sunday, when B7RLE's are used
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
If over a third of the allocation today was B7RLE, which I understand have to miss out the Wisley Way loop in Welsh House Farm, is it just a case of tough luck for any passengers waiting on that section? Would have been very hit and miss trying to catch a bus on that part today. Incidentally has a full sized single ever attempted the Wisley Way / Rilstone Road section. Never travel that far along the route myself.
Quote from: Mike K on February 07, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
If over a third of the allocation today was B7RLE, which I understand have to miss out the Wisley Way loop in Welsh House Farm, is it just a case of tough luck for any passengers waiting on that section? Would have been very hit and miss trying to catch a bus on that part today. Incidentally has a full sized single ever attempted the Wisley Way / Rilstone Road section. Never travel that far along the route myself.
and where were the missing e200s?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 07, 2015, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 07, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
If over a third of the allocation today was B7RLE, which I understand have to miss out the Wisley Way loop in Welsh House Farm, is it just a case of tough luck for any passengers waiting on that section? Would have been very hit and miss trying to catch a bus on that part today. Incidentally has a full sized single ever attempted the Wisley Way / Rilstone Road section. Never travel that far along the route myself.
and where were the missing e200s?
It appears only 6 were fit this morning with a B7 allocated to board 7, then two more were changed during the day
Quote from: Mike K on February 07, 2015, 09:58:51 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 07, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Bc | 99 - 2140 | think this will make @Liverpool Street very happy
@Trident 4194 - how did you guess?? Haha that's some good news. Obviously they missed out the Firsby Avenue section of route, which isn't to lose any sleep over. I wish I travelled on 2140 rather then 804 the other day!
If over a third of the allocation today was B7RLE, which I understand have to miss out the Wisley Way loop in Welsh House Farm, is it just a case of tough luck for any passengers waiting on that section? Would have been very hit and miss trying to catch a bus on that part today. Incidentally has a full sized single ever attempted the Wisley Way / Rilstone Road section. Never travel that far along the route myself.
Yes, one quite recently managed to get all the way around without a blue form being issued; however, in the past (and what caused the ban in the first place I'm told) one got halfway, got stuck around a parked car, driver continued, tail end swing bulldozed the offending parked vehicle, and the rest is history.
@Mike K - come to think of it the ban on that part of the route was when they were new and the 99 was still called the 636. I'll do some digging and see what information I can find.
It isn't the roads around there which is an issue, its the parked cars (or lack of correct parking) which is the problem.
809 had an ABS warning light in city which was reset by an engineer. Ran special to Halesown only for the fault to reoccurr. So ran special to BC - nice driving round with an empty bus!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2015, 04:37:37 PM
Are the e200s broke or something?
Make the most of the b7s whilst you can !!
Also I didn't think BC operated omnilinks???
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 08, 2015, 03:33:22 AM
809 had an ABS warning light in city which was reset by an engineer. Ran special to Halesown only for the fault to reoccurr. So ran special to BC - nice driving round with an empty bus!!
Terrible buses, should have gone for the streetlight
Are the Streetlites any better? I haven't heard glowing reviews about some of them. The Optare Versa Hybrids aren't bad actually - have them on the S2 and they're pretty good. Suspension is good, heating warm and not too rattly usually.
I think a Vehicle swap occurred this morning but I haven't posted it in the relevant thread as I'm not 100% sure it did happen
4437 957 > 60
4943 876/60 > 957
I'm sure I seen 4437 on the 957 as I seen Solihull on its side display by Tesco's in Sheldon around 07:55 heading for Solihull.
I'm sure
@Tony would clarify whether this did occur.
2x 957 branded buses on the Harbornes, this afternoon. Caught one on the 24 (towards the terminus), and saw the other, strangely, on a 23 Woodgate-bound (at Five Ways)
From unusual working thread
Quote from: Sayeed on February 09, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Scania Omnilink on the BC29 - 1814
Erm....
Have I missed something here? BC don't have any Scanias?
Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2015, 06:46:17 PM
From unusual working thread
Quote from: Sayeed on February 09, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Scania Omnilink on the BC29 - 1814
Erm....
Have I missed something here? BC don't have any Scanias?
Tonight they do! If I've got my times right, I believe it will have just departed Colmore Row on the 29A and will operate the 2041 29 ex Northfield, 2145 24 ex City, 2223 24 ex Simmons Drive, 2300 29 to Northfield.
I take no responsibility if these times are incorrect! ;) And of course this assumes Bordesley don't want their bus back!
Quote from: notepanel on February 09, 2015, 07:40:49 PM
Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2015, 06:46:17 PM
From unusual working thread
Quote from: Sayeed on February 09, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Scania Omnilink on the BC29 - 1814
Erm....
Have I missed something here? BC don't have any Scanias?
Tonight they do! If I've got my times right, I believe it will have just departed Colmore Row on the 29A and will operate the 2041 29 ex Northfield, 2145 24 ex City, 2223 24 ex Simmons Drive, 2300 29 to Northfield.
I take no responsibility if these times are incorrect! ;) And of course this assumes Bordesley don't want their bus back!
I hardly think omnilinks are going back to BC... So I take your comments in satire.
Quote from: Sayeed on February 09, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Scania Omnilink on the BC29 - 1814
2137 also on the 99
2137 on the 99.. Those e200's not so reliable now are they,
@Tony haha
What was wrong with the 200 this time?
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Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 09, 2015, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on February 09, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Scania Omnilink on the BC29 - 1814
2137 also on the 99
2137 on the 99.. Those e200's not so reliable now are they, @Tony haha
What was wrong with the 200 this time?
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And 2122 I believe, although may have replaced a e200, however that is only 5 of 7 buses e200s, which means people in firsby would yet again get missing buses.
I did see a branded E200 on the 14, in Birmingham at around 10:30, so might explain one of the B7s on the 99?
RE: full size single decks missing out part of the 99 route; it's not Firsby that's omitted, it Wisley Way/Rilstone Road. The buses simply continue along Welsh House Farm road
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 09, 2015, 10:12:46 PM
RE: full size single decks missing out part of the 99 route; it's not Firsby that's omitted, it Wisley Way/Rilstone Road. The buses simply continue along Welsh House Farm road
That'll be my fault for stating the wrong road. Apologies. Yes, it was Wisley Way/Rilstone I meant. Thanks,
@AndrewLee
No worries. While we're on the subject it's not the only place that's tight. The turn into Blandford road and by Pitman road where unfortunately if buses in both directions are on time they meet at a tricky junction. Throw some parked cars and a telegraph pole in the mix and you've got problems!
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 09, 2015, 11:27:16 PM
No worries. While we're on the subject it's not the only place that's tight. The turn into Blandford road and by Pitman road where unfortunately if buses in both directions are on time they meet at a tricky junction. Throw some parked cars and a telegraph pole in the mix and you've got problems!
I know what you're on about but I'm sure if the buses were smack on time they crossed at Tennal Road, Scarlet Pimpernel?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 09, 2015, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 09, 2015, 11:27:16 PM
No worries. While we're on the subject it's not the only place that's tight. The turn into Blandford road and by Pitman road where unfortunately if buses in both directions are on time they meet at a tricky junction. Throw some parked cars and a telegraph pole in the mix and you've got problems!
I know what you're on about but I'm sure if the buses were smack on time they crossed at Tennal Road, Scarlet Pimpernel?
Sadly now this is Tennal Road, a bunch of generic new build town houses (although to be fair the Scarlet Pimpernel was a dump). Probably why I've never seen 2 99s pass at that point.
I'm talking about top of Faraday Avenue turn right, then turn left so you're facing Quinton police station - it's dodgy there when they meet.
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 10, 2015, 12:04:58 AM
I'm talking about top of Faraday Avenue turn right, then turn left so you're facing Quinton police station - it's dodgy there when they meet.
Apologies again! Yes sorry you're right that is an awkward place. When I did the route there was always a silver people carrier parked opposite the junction and a silver peguoet 206. Wonder if theyre still there.
@Mike K you're right! The Pimpernel has gone (thank god)
What's the normal allocation for the 59?
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2015, 04:33:11 PM
What's the normal allocation for the 59?
Volvo B7RLE's as of January route changes.
4613 out in service today for the first time since its fire
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2015, 08:16:35 AM
4613 out in service today for the first time since its fire
I'll look out for it tomorrow :)
According to an announcement that came over the bus radio earlier, BC4896 on the 900 is issuing tickets dated 2003.
Quote from: Gareth on February 12, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
According to an announcement that came over the bus radio earlier, BC4896 on the 900 is issuing tickets dated 2003
Why is it doing that
Quote from: Rhys S on February 12, 2015, 03:45:11 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 12, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
According to an announcement that came over the bus radio earlier, BC4896 on the 900 is issuing tickets dated 2003
Why is it doing that
Wayfarer malfunction
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2015, 08:16:35 AM
4613 out in service today for the first time since its fire
is this the one that is named after the late Ronnie Morgan
Or is it another one 0
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 12, 2015, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2015, 08:16:35 AM
4613 out in service today for the first time since its fire
I'll look out for it tomorrow :)
Here's how it looks now
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4613.html
Cool! I am still wondering if it got a brand new engine or 4341s engine.
What bus is usually on 9/829 service. Also what are the times from halesowen?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
What bus is usually on 9/829 service. Also what are the times from halesowen?
Can be anything that BC operate includinbg rarely hybrids!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 12, 2015, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
What bus is usually on 9/829 service. Also what are the times from halesowen?
Can be anything that BC operate includinbg rarely hybrids!
Hybrids not so unusual on the evening journey as it's (or certainly was) a 22/23 running board. One of the morning journeys is usually a B7RLE, the other usually Trident, sometimes E400
What times does it operate in evenings
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2015, 08:54:41 PM
What times does it operate in evenings
BC don't operate a pm 9, only am.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 12, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2015, 08:54:41 PM
What times does it operate in evenings
BC don't operate a pm 9, only am.
Don't they do a pm 829 from St Paul's School though? That then goes onto the 22/23 on arrival in town? They certainly did do. Original question referred to the 9 and the 829.
Quote from: Mike K on February 12, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 12, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2015, 08:54:41 PM
What times does it operate in evenings
BC don't operate a pm 9, only am.
Don't they do a pm 829 from St Paul's School though? That then goes onto the 22/23 on arrival in town? They certainly did do. Original question referred to the 9 and the 829.
Yes BC operate two morning trips and one PM trip on the 829.
Has the voice of Phil Upton now been removed from 5501-09?
No sound of him on 5503 and 5506 yesterday. He never made it onto 5510-18 when they arrived from WN.
On 4948 957 1pm home
4613 is out on 14 today if anyone wants a photo
2142 on the 99
I've seen some of the 900 branded Enviros with Twycross Zoo adverts on the back. Are they all being done?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b1dh50
Quote from: JoNi on February 17, 2015, 09:19:06 AM
I've seen some of the 900 branded Enviros with Twycross Zoo adverts on the back. Are they all being done?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b1dh50
Is that Coventry Pool Meadow? That bus stop on the floor seems majorly skewiff.
Quote from: JoNi on February 17, 2015, 09:19:06 AM
I've seen some of the 900 branded Enviros with Twycross Zoo adverts on the back. Are they all being done?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b1dh50
Think it's just at random, some of Perry Barrs have been done as well
I've seen some at YW too.
Quote from: Kevin on February 17, 2015, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: JoNi on February 17, 2015, 09:19:06 AM
I've seen some of the 900 branded Enviros with Twycross Zoo adverts on the back. Are they all being done?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b1dh50
Think it's just at random, some of Perry Barrs have been done as well
4901 'Chloe' also has this advert not sure if any other others have apart from 4901/4902 I'll see if 4896/4898/4899 have this as these plus 4901 & 4902 previously carried an advert for Turkish Airlines :)
Why has 5509 got a blue moquette seat at the back? Looks a complete mess!! Surely they have spare green seats
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2015, 06:27:19 PM
Why has 5509 got a blue moquette seat at the back? Looks a complete mess!! Surely they have spare green seats
Most likely to allow it to get back out in service as quickly as possible. To be fair the upkeep of the hybrids is generally good, with any graffiti, window etching soon put right so you would hope it would get a green replacement when one is available.
4447 is out to fool you from a rear view looking like an Enviro at first glance with a new style 97 branding!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4447.html
Quote from: Mike K on February 17, 2015, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2015, 06:27:19 PM
Why has 5509 got a blue moquette seat at the back? Looks a complete mess!! Surely they have spare green seats
Most likely to allow it to get back out in service as quickly as possible. To be fair the upkeep of the hybrids is generally good, with any graffiti, window etching soon put right so you would hope it would get a green replacement when one is available.
Spot on, better to replace a soiled green seat with another one in whatever trim is available, until the correct one can be obtained (or the 'soiled' seat deep-cleaned, depending on how bad it is). With a comparatively low number of green fabric seats in the fleet, maybe there isn't always a 'spare' one available. Easier to just 'borrow' one from a bus that's currently off the road for maintenance.
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
4447 is out to fool you from a rear view looking like an Enviro at first glance with a new style 97 branding!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4447.html
Much more nicer than the previous one, everything looks much more organised, and 'in place'. However, I personally despise 'mega' rear branding like that... Obstruction of a rear window, of a bus, is a real down point for me - especially on double deckers, where the likelihood is that both rear windows, if any, are covered. But, like I said, much better than the original.
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
4447 is out to fool you from a rear view looking like an Enviro at first glance with a new style 97 branding!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4447.html
I thought I was seeing things! I agree; much nicer. And great to see blue creeping back into the fleet on a large canvas basis ;-)
2123 on the 99
2131 on the 99 this morning so looks like BC are still short of usable E200s. Being driven by Morgan Freeman for added value.
Quote from: Mike K on February 21, 2015, 09:14:27 AM
2131 on the 99 this morning so looks like BC are still short of usable E200s. Being driven by Morgan Freeman for added value.
"If you live a life of make-believe, your life isn't worth anything until you do something that does challenge your reality. And to me, driving a B7RLE on the 99 is a real challenge, because it's life or death." - Morgan Freeman
Quote from: Mike K on February 21, 2015, 09:14:27 AM
2131 on the 99 this morning so looks like BC are still short of usable E200s. Being driven by Morgan Freeman for added value.
Do you have any timings for departures from halesowen or harborne?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 21, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
"If you live a life of make-believe.......
Crikey LS, I thought you'd started to quote Bucks Fizz lyrics for a moment there 😄
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 21, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
Quote from: Mike K on February 21, 2015, 09:14:27 AM
2131 on the 99 this morning so looks like BC are still short of usable E200s. Being driven by Morgan Freeman for added value.
"If you live a life of make-believe, your life isn't worth anything until you do something that does challenge your reality. And to me, driving a B7RLE on the 99 is a real challenge, because it's life or death." - Morgan Freeman
Haha, brilliant!
@Trident 4194 it was at New St Station heading up towards the Square Peg terminus at around 9.10 am if that's any use.
And departed Harborne Junction towards city at 10.56
Quote from: don on February 21, 2015, 09:53:35 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 21, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
"If you live a life of make-believe.......
Crikey LS, I thought you'd started to quote Bucks Fizz lyrics for a moment there 😄
Hahaha I've not gone that mad yet haha
Quote from: Matt on February 21, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
There's a second B7 on the 99, 2151
Oh dear, those E200's must be dodgy.. Tut tut tut
Given the drafting in of the B7's to cover 99 duties, should an Enviro 200 on the 99 be classed as an "unusual working"?
In all seriousness though, the users on the Wisley Way loop in Welsh House Farm must be brassed off now at having their buses regularly going AWOL. It sounds like the E200's have some serious issues.
Rumour has it the 99 will be transferring to another garage...
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 22, 2015, 11:27:24 PM
Rumour has it the 99 will be transferring to another garage...
I think Pensnett has been suggested as an option for the 99 in the past, but don't know where they'd put another 9 x E200's
Some drivers believe it's a done deal. Pensnett being the obvious choice. The 126 coming to BC has been mooted but I think one bloke made an off hand comment and its spread like wildfire and people are taking it as gospel.
By the way - they won't need all nine E200's for the 99.
The 126 being "split" between BC and Wolverhampton would be sensible. It is such a long route and it only takes something minor to go wrong to result in buses bunched together at one end of the route.
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 22, 2015, 11:32:15 PM
Some drivers believe it's a done deal. Pensnett being the obvious choice. The 126 coming to BC has been mooted but I think one bloke made an off hand comment and its spread like wildfire and people are taking it as gospel.
Surely BC garage wouldn't have capacity for the 126 and WN don't need to loose any routes (as has excess capacity). If the 99 does indeed move to Pensnett, I still think they'd struggle to accommodate another route & additional buses without something else being moved elsewhere or they'd have to consider using the extra land for parking
Good point. Lots of rumours at the moment. So far the 126, 9, 50 and (amazingly) the 6 are options for moving to BC. These are not my thoughts you understand, merely chit-chat at relief points.
Forgot to say the 8 as well!
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 22, 2015, 11:39:43 PM
Good point. Lots of rumours at the moment. So far the 126, 9, 50 and (amazingly) the 6 are options for moving to BC. These are not my thoughts you understand, merely chit-chat at relief points.
No harm if posting rumours like these, as long as they are stated as such.
All of those routes would bring 20-25 extra buses in to BC, surely if the 99 was to move out. The spare capacity at BC may be useful to allow for any existing service enhancements/Pvr increases?
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 22, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
By the way - they won't need all nine E200's for the 99.
I'd have though if the 99 were to go to Pensnett, they'd have all 9 x E200's to boost the number of spares there. This is of course unless the 99 if being split/curtailed etc
Not sure, but wasn't the 50 at BC a while ago, as didn't it get ALX400/B7TLs?
Quote from: Alex on February 22, 2015, 11:50:41 PM
Not sure, but wasn't the 50 at BC a while ago, as didn't it get ALX400/B7TLs?
If my memory serves me correctly, I seem to remember the Spectra's worked the 50 up until if left BC for YW, upon transfer BC sent 43-- series Trident/ALX400's to YW with the route keeping the Spectra's. The Tridents were later replaced by new E400's 4738-62 @ YW
B7TL / ALX400 were on the 50 after the Spectras. 4249-64 were branded
Quote from: uniquicity on February 23, 2015, 12:07:13 AM
B7TL / ALX400 were on the 50 after the Spectras. 4249-64 were branded
Cheers Pete, forgot about those. My memory's pants then......
Now that certainly is an interesting one re the 6; I do like to read a bit of rumour at 6am in the morning ;) I can't see YW being too happy if it lost either that or the 50 considering they are big money spinners for them judging by the loads - would also mean quite a few spare drivers down at YW considering there is not much around the area to replace such major routes.
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
Or Hayley Green I think it could go to Cradley Heath
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
@AndrewLee I think that pretty much confirms where it is intended to move too. I guess we can look forward to more changes to the 244 then which currently serves Hasbury/Hayley Green.
The proposed change may coincide with Dudley Review later this year, date tbc
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
@AndrewLee I think that pretty much confirms where it is intended to move too. I guess we can look forward to more changes to the 244 then which currently serves Hasbury/Hayley Green.
The proposed change may coincide with Dudley Review later this year, date tbc
This is all very interesting. If the 99 moves to PE, and with PE reportedly already at capacity, then it does raise the question of whether this will be a move around of some vehicles / routes between garages, with BC picking up another route (or at least part of a route) in return. Operationally it would allow for the elimination of a vehicle type at BC. In terms of dead mileage alone, I can't see there being any benefit in moving the 99 to PE, as every board would need to run dead to and from Halesowen from PE, and currently some of the boards start and finish at Birmingham city centre.
I shall await developments with interest.
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
@AndrewLee I think that pretty much confirms where it is intended to move too. I guess we can look forward to more changes to the 244 then which currently serves Hasbury/Hayley Green.
The proposed change may coincide with Dudley Review later this year, date tbc
This is all very interesting. If the 99 moves to PE, and with PE reportedly already at capacity, then it does raise the question of whether this will be a move around of some vehicles / routes between garages, with BC picking up another route (or at least part of a route) in return. Operationally it would allow for the elimination of a vehicle type at BC. In terms of dead mileage alone, I can't see there being any benefit in moving the 99 to PE, as every board would need to run dead to and from Halesowen from PE, and currently some of the boards start and finish at Birmingham city centre.
I shall await developments with interest.
@Mike K re- Pensnett being at capacity, I was thinking, there are currently 5 withdrawn Mercs still parked in the main depot yard + withdrawn fire damaged Trident 4355. Shift those vehicles elsewhere (or even in the Pensnett reserve fleet yard) and you'd have space for 6 more operational vehicles, the E200's are also shorter than Mercs being 10.8M long.
Quote from: Winston on February 22, 2015, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 22, 2015, 11:32:15 PM
Some drivers believe it's a done deal. Pensnett being the obvious choice. The 126 coming to BC has been mooted but I think one bloke made an off hand comment and its spread like wildfire and people are taking it as gospel.
Surely BC garage wouldn't have capacity for the 126 and WN don't need to loose any routes (as has excess capacity). If the 99 does indeed move to Pensnett, I still think they'd struggle to accommodate another route & additional buses without something else being moved elsewhere or they'd have to consider using the extra land for parking
The rumour of splitting up of the 126 (WN operating Wolves to Dudley and Brum to Dudley operating from BC) is also something I've heard coming from drivers I know at WN.
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
@AndrewLee I think that pretty much confirms where it is intended to move too. I guess we can look forward to more changes to the 244 then which currently serves Hasbury/Hayley Green.
The proposed change may coincide with Dudley Review later this year, date tbc
This is all very interesting. If the 99 moves to PE, and with PE reportedly already at capacity, then it does raise the question of whether this will be a move around of some vehicles / routes between garages, with BC picking up another route (or at least part of a route) in return. Operationally it would allow for the elimination of a vehicle type at BC. In terms of dead mileage alone, I can't see there being any benefit in moving the 99 to PE, as every board would need to run dead to and from Halesowen from PE, and currently some of the boards start and finish at Birmingham city centre.
I shall await developments with interest.
@Mike K re- Pensnett being at capacity, I was thinking, there are currently 5 withdrawn Mercs still parked in the main depot yard + withdrawn fire damaged Trident 4355. Shift those vehicles elsewhere (or even in the Pensnett reserve fleet yard) and you'd have space for 6 more operational vehicles, the E200's are also shorter than Mercs being 10.8M long.
Valid points
@Winston - it could just be a case of consolidating vehicle types at as few garages as possible if PE can absorb the additonal capacity. One thing I would say is that the 99 can be unreliable at times - I personally am against constantly extending routes; in the long run it only has a detrimental effect on reliability. Not so many years back the 626/636 was the 'Harborne Hopper' - soon it will be the magical mysery tour of the city centre, the University / QE and most of west Birmingham and the Black Country. Operated by oversizsed hair dryers.
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
Valid points @Winston - it could just be a case of consolidating vehicle types at as few garages as possible if PE can absorb the additonal capacity. One thing I would say is that the 99 can be unreliable at times - I personally am against constantly extending routes; in the long run it only has a detrimental effect on reliability. Not so many years back the 626/636 was the 'Harborne Hopper' - soon it will be the magical mysery tour of the city centre, the University / QE and most of west Birmingham and the Black Country. Operated by oversizsed hair dryers.
@Mike K Yes I remember the 626 & 636 & the 636 & 637.
I guess if PE are also replacing Mercs on the 243/244 with shorter E200's, they will also re-gain approx 1.2M of garage space per bus due to those being shorter, in addition to shifting the 6 withdrawn buses.
4903 was on the 97 this morning, saw it on greenlands road @ 8:45......would that be classed as a noteworthy working
Yes, Winston
Quote from: dw1308 on February 23, 2015, 06:55:20 PM
4903 was on the 97 this morning, saw it on greenlands road @ 8:45......would that be classed as a noteworthy working
this is a unusual working working on 97
as normal allocation is tridents :)
but you do have this to help with any noteworthy workings in near future
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tZHoQDUm1HwOAZvQhE50A5A/htmlview
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
Valid points @Winston - it could just be a case of consolidating vehicle types at as few garages as possible if PE can absorb the additonal capacity. One thing I would say is that the 99 can be unreliable at times - I personally am against constantly extending routes; in the long run it only has a detrimental effect on reliability. Not so many years back the 626/636 was the 'Harborne Hopper' - soon it will be the magical mysery tour of the city centre, the University / QE and most of west Birmingham and the Black Country. Operated by oversizsed hair dryers.
@Mike K Yes I remember the 626 & 636 & the 636 & 637.
I guess if PE are also replacing Mercs on the 243/244 with shorter E200's, they will also re-gain approx 1.2M of garage space per bus due to those being shorter, in addition to shifting the 6 withdrawn buses.
The 99 at PE would also virtually eradicate other vehicle type from operating the route, at the moment if an E200 breaks down, BC have a problem because normally the spare E200s are being used on other routes hence the use of B7rles of late. PE will have more spare E200s so you should normally see at least one spare at the garage.
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 23, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 23, 2015, 07:48:30 AM
@Winston the 99 won't be curtailed, quite the opposite. Word is when it moves it'll be extended to Hasbury.
@AndrewLee I think that pretty much confirms where it is intended to move too. I guess we can look forward to more changes to the 244 then which currently serves Hasbury/Hayley Green.
The proposed change may coincide with Dudley Review later this year, date tbc
This is all very interesting. If the 99 moves to PE, and with PE reportedly already at capacity, then it does raise the question of whether this will be a move around of some vehicles / routes between garages, with BC picking up another route (or at least part of a route) in return. Operationally it would allow for the elimination of a vehicle type at BC. In terms of dead mileage alone, I can't see there being any benefit in moving the 99 to PE, as every board would need to run dead to and from Halesowen from PE, and currently some of the boards start and finish at Birmingham city centre.
I shall await developments with interest.
@Mike K re- Pensnett being at capacity, I was thinking, there are currently 5 withdrawn Mercs still parked in the main depot yard + withdrawn fire damaged Trident 4355. Shift those vehicles elsewhere (or even in the Pensnett reserve fleet yard) and you'd have space for 6 more operational vehicles, the E200's are also shorter than Mercs being 10.8M long.
Valid points @Winston - it could just be a case of consolidating vehicle types at as few garages as possible if PE can absorb the additonal capacity. One thing I would say is that the 99 can be unreliable at times - I personally am against constantly extending routes; in the long run it only has a detrimental effect on reliability. Not so many years back the 626/636 was the 'Harborne Hopper' - soon it will be the magical mysery tour of the city centre, the University / QE and most of west Birmingham and the Black Country. Operated by oversizsed hair dryers.
Perhaps the 141 will move the other way taking the remaining 7 e400's left to BC after the other 22 go to PB?
Doubt the 99 would come to pn as we don't get travelling time to relief points so we would not have reliefs over halesowen if it was extended to merry hill but I doubt that as well which way would it go meaning more buses on the route???
What I've heard is:
Something from the farm going to Wolvo.
126 from Wolvo to BC.
99 extended to hasbury and from BC to the Farm.
Someone work out what could go from PN to WN?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 24, 2015, 12:52:04 AM
What I've heard is:
Something from the farm going to Wolvo.
126 from Wolvo to BC.
99 extended to hasbury and from BC to the Farm.
Someone work out what could go from PN to WN?
X96?
Quote from: Sayeed on February 24, 2015, 01:14:59 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 24, 2015, 12:52:04 AM
What I've heard is:
Something from the farm going to Wolvo.
126 from Wolvo to BC.
99 extended to hasbury and from BC to the Farm.
Someone work out what could go from PN to WN?
X96?
141
Quote from: Rhys S on February 24, 2015, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: Sayeed on February 24, 2015, 01:14:59 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 24, 2015, 12:52:04 AM
What I've heard is:
Something from the farm going to Wolvo.
126 from Wolvo to BC.
99 extended to hasbury and from BC to the Farm.
Someone work out what could go from PN to WN?
X96?
141
What about the 205 which you could interwork with 27/27A? No increase in dead mileage there and the frequencies are the same
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140.
@Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 24, 2015, 08:45:21 AM
Quote from: Rhys S on February 24, 2015, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: Sayeed on February 24, 2015, 01:14:59 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 24, 2015, 12:52:04 AM
What I've heard is:
Something from the farm going to Wolvo.
126 from Wolvo to BC.
99 extended to hasbury and from BC to the Farm.
Someone work out what could go from PN to WN?
X96?
141
What about the 205 which you could interwork with 27/27A? No increase in dead mileage there and the frequencies are the same
Low PVR though
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Are you suggesting a 256 every 8/9 minutes?
Instead of interworking the 205 with the 27/A, just extend the 27/A to Kingswinford, however traffic around RHH/Pensnett will not help things reliability wise!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Are you suggesting a 256 every 8/9 minutes?
Instead of interworking the 205 with the 27/A, just extend the 27/A to Kingswinford, however traffic around RHH/Pensnett will not help things reliability wise!
Umm no, had sort of forgot about that :-[ Whoops!
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Are you suggesting a 256 every 8/9 minutes?
Instead of interworking the 205 with the 27/A, just extend the 27/A to Kingswinford, however traffic around RHH/Pensnett will not help things reliability wise!
Umm no, had sort of forgot about that :-[ Whoops!
A lot of very bad guesswork here, but there is nothing to stop a 7/8 minute frequency service interworking with a 30 minute one. It just means every fourth bus will change over
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Are you suggesting a 256 every 8/9 minutes?
Instead of interworking the 205 with the 27/A, just extend the 27/A to Kingswinford, however traffic around RHH/Pensnett will not help things reliability wise!
Umm no, had sort of forgot about that :-[ Whoops!
A lot of very bad guesswork here, but there is nothing to stop a 7/8 minute frequency service interworking with a 30 minute one. It just means every fourth bus will change over
Yeah, that does tend to happen trying to work valid reasons out, while in a graphics class, with your classmates heckling you.
On another note, personally, i doubt that a PN route transferring to WN will happen, and those were just guesses, for what could happen, no matter how unlikely, hence interworking the 246/256 and 27/A/205
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: Alex on February 24, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 24, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
@Rhys S 141 will have too much dead mileage and interworks with 241 and 140. @Liverpool Street is the farm Hasbury/Hayley Green
Based off all this, here are what I think could happen (Please note: just my opinions):
141-If moving to WN, could interwork with 255 to Merry Hill
205-As mentioned, could interwork with 27/27A
246-Could interwork with 256 at Stourbridge
Are you suggesting a 256 every 8/9 minutes?
Instead of interworking the 205 with the 27/A, just extend the 27/A to Kingswinford, however traffic around RHH/Pensnett will not help things reliability wise!
Umm no, had sort of forgot about that :-[ Whoops!
A lot of very bad guesswork here, but there is nothing to stop a 7/8 minute frequency service interworking with a 30 minute one. It just means every fourth bus will change over
Bad guesswork? Do we infer therefore that there is some substance to the rumours of the 99 moving to PE and BC taking on other duties? That's a rhetorical question by the way, I don't expect you to answer it
801, 805 in Wolverhampton earlier. Surprised none of you Wolvo based nuts
@Nathan have a stake out in the bus station and frollock over the rarity of BC's finest E200's out of territory.
Still waiting on that list of Wolvos RR's.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 26, 2015, 01:22:24 AM
801, 805 in Wolverhampton earlier. Surprised none of you Wolvo based nuts @Nathan have a stake out in the bus station and frollock over the rarity of BC's finest E200's out of territory.
Still waiting on that list of Wolvos RR's.
Do you mean 801-805 0r just 801 and 805
Quote from: Rhys S on February 26, 2015, 08:28:06 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 26, 2015, 01:22:24 AM
801, 805 in Wolverhampton earlier. Surprised none of you Wolvo based nuts @Nathan have a stake out in the bus station and frollock over the rarity of BC's finest E200's out of territory.
Still waiting on that list of Wolvos RR's.
Do you mean 801-805 0r just 801 and 805
Just 801 and 805. I figured out so far BC supply 2 Rail buses, and WN supply about 3 or 4.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 26, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Rhys S on February 26, 2015, 08:28:06 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 26, 2015, 01:22:24 AM
801, 805 in Wolverhampton earlier. Surprised none of you Wolvo based nuts @Nathan have a stake out in the bus station and frollock over the rarity of BC's finest E200's out of territory.
Still waiting on that list of Wolvos RR's.
Do you mean 801-805 0r just 801 and 805
Just 801 and 805. I figured out so far BC supply 2 Rail buses, and WN supply about 3 or 4.
I'm having a break from the late night buses this week lol. Last night I was too busy watching Madonna falling off the stage at The Brits! Anyway..... Are WN supplying buses for rail replacements?
Today's sunny weather reveals the Twycross Zoo adverts were stuck over whatever was on the back of the bus including the bus name!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/5o56K0
5516 displays the number on the right side
Quote from: Sayeed on February 28, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
5516 displays the number on the right side
Don't they all? On a related note, 5516 had a completely non functioning front number / destination display on the 24 yesterday morning. Must have been a pain for the driver to have to explain at each stop which of the 22/23/24 it was on.
Quote from: Mike K on February 28, 2015, 01:09:11 PM
Don't they all? On a related note, 5516 had a completely non functioning front number / destination display on the 24 yesterday morning. Must have been a pain for the driver to have to explain at each stop which of the 22/23/24 it was on.
Forgot to state, I meant it from inside so basically displays the number on driver side? I know sound confusing but that is the best way i could explain
???
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127316282@N03/16654546686/
(Not my photo; Credit to photographer)
Quote from: clayderman on March 01, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
???
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127316282@N03/16654546686/
(Not my photo; Credit to photographer)
Now that's unusal!
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 01, 2015, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: clayderman on March 01, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
???
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127316282@N03/16654546686/
(Not my photo; Credit to photographer)
Now that's unusal!
I reported it both days in the unusual reporting thread
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2015, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 01, 2015, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: clayderman on March 01, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
???
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127316282@N03/16654546686/
(Not my photo; Credit to photographer)
Now that's unusal!
I reported it both days in the unusual reporting thread
I thought I saw this mentioned. I did try a quick-search for '1817' - but it only showed a post from 2013?
Quote from: clayderman on March 01, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2015, 11:42:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 01, 2015, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: clayderman on March 01, 2015, 11:00:44 AM
???
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127316282@N03/16654546686/
(Not my photo; Credit to photographer)
Now that's unusal!
I reported it both days in the unusual reporting thread
I thought I saw this mentioned. I did try a quick-search for '1817' - but it only showed a post from 2013?
I just searched 1817 and it showed me Tony's post here (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3547.msg132383#msg132383).
2129 on the 99. Citybound. Seen at Five Ways at 1601.
2142
was on the 24. Outbound from Colmore Row @ 08:05
Also, a hybrid with a 'new' white replacement panel on the front of the bus, at the lower right, under the headlight. Identify. (Please. ;D)
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2015, 06:20:35 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 02, 2015, 03:54:15 PM
550*(?) on a 29/A. Outbound from Harborne Junction at 15:50 approx. - I dont even know if its in service, but a hybrid definitely went onto Vivian Road... :)
*4780 on 101 all day, i think.
Please don't post guesswork, There is no Hybrid on the 29A, I presume you saw 5504 running private to start service
May have been.
@Tony - I do apologise, i'll try my best not to in the future, again, sorry. ;)
Quote from: clayderman on March 02, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
Also, a hybrid with a 'new' white replacement panel on the front of the bus, at the lower right, under the headlight. Identify. (Please. ;D)
5504 :)
Quote from: N94 on March 02, 2015, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 02, 2015, 04:03:13 PM
Also, a hybrid with a 'new' white replacement panel on the front of the bus, at the lower right, under the headlight. Identify. (Please. ;D)
5504 :)
That one had already lost its Electric Hybrid Bus branding on the upper windscreen, and fleetname on the front lower panels so might not be the first time this one has had front end damage.
2142 was on the 24 this morning, again. Same time departure, also. 08:05. *There's a glitch in the matrix*
4913 [957 branded] on a 23
2129 on a 22s
Nobody spot the bc hybrid involved in the Rta broad St when a van tried to go through the drivers cab
Quote from: karl724223 on March 03, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Nobody spot the bc hybrid involved in the Rta broad St when a van tried to go through the drivers cab
At the junction with Bridge Street, by any chance?
Twice in the last week I've seen buses have to slam the brakes and horn on when a car decides to pull out in front (The first time i was on the bus in question, and the second i was on one going the opposite direction). Are they expecting the buses to give way? You'd think they'd be a bit more careful with a police officer standing next to them!
Quote from: N94 on March 03, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 03, 2015, 08:38:04 PM
Nobody spot the bc hybrid involved in the Rta broad St when a van tried to go through the drivers cab
At the junction with Bridge Street, by any chance?
Twice in the last week I've seen buses have to slam the brakes and horn on when a car decides to pull out in front (The first time i was on the bus in question, and the second i was on one going the opposite direction). Are they expecting the buses to give way? You'd think they'd be a bit more careful with a police officer standing next to them!
broad St sheepcote street by bus stop where no entry signs are
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 26, 2015, 01:22:24 AM
801, 805 in Wolverhampton earlier. Surprised none of you Wolvo based nuts @Nathan have a stake out in the bus station and frollock over the rarity of BC's finest E200's out of territory.
Still waiting on that list of Wolvos RR's.
@Liverpool Street, WN are using B7RLE's on Rail Replacement. 2003 was on there the other night and there was one parked up on Stand U in Wolves Bus Station earlier on this evening (Didn't catch fleet no. sorry)
Thanks
@Nathan Tonights offerings from BC were 804 and 4433 if anyone is bothered. There's loads of neat spaces just outside Wolverhampton for some decent photographs. Might have to bring a camera next time I have a late night stake out in the automobile .
1) broad st is getting a nightmare in evening rush-hour when there are events on what can take 10-15 mins from five ways is taking 40 mins on the 22/23/24/29. The lights where the copper is on broad street need changing from pelican crossing and have the lights so outbound stop and cars can easy turn onto bridge street or you move the diversion for private vechicles so they use sheepcote st, enabling buses to use broad street more easy.
2)It is going to get worse when they start sprint & metrto on Broad st later this year.
494* on the 63
2124 is on the 99
Don't know if it had been mentioned, but there is a branded Hybrid with the number on the left and big destinations (like the 35 on Some Enviro400s), on the 24
a 99 branded E200 should make it to Wolverhampton by tonight unless it's on its way back to Birmingham
seen at Smethwick Rolfe Street Station just now
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 04:10:34 PM
Quote from: John on March 07, 2015, 03:58:38 PM
2124 is on the 99
Don't know if it had been mentioned, but there is a branded Hybrid with the number on the left and big destinations (like the 35 on Some Enviro400s), on the 24
I saw that last week @John, think it was 5516
Yes it is 5516, saw it again today. (There might be more than 1 though)
Is the Adderly Street open area opposite Birmingham Central, the pen they keep the buses ?! I've wanted to get good shots of bus garages yet I can't seem to do so. I don't want to be seen as intrusive so I keep my distance.
Quote from: BusFan on March 12, 2015, 09:32:46 PM
Is the Adderly Street open area opposite Birmingham Central, the pen they keep the buses ?! I've wanted to get good shots of bus garages yet I can't seem to do so. I don't want to be seen as intrusive so I keep my distance.
Not open to the public but you can peer through the gate I guess.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 13, 2015, 12:00:18 AM
Not open to the public but you can peer through the gate I guess.
When is a good time to go ?! Ideally I'd like to see a lot of buses so I'm surmising Sunday ?!
801 was on the 98, earlier today. Around early afternoon.
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
Nice shot of 6111 with 5518 tony :)
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like
@nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like @nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
No, it was there because I needed somewhere to park it.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like @nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
No, it was there because I needed somewhere to park it.
Sarcasm? ??? (I can't always tell.) :-\
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like @nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
No, it was there because I needed somewhere to park it.
Sarcasm? ??? (I can't always tell.) :-\
It's not sarcasm, it's fact!
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like @nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
No, it was there because I needed somewhere to park it.
Sarcasm? ??? (I can't always tell.) :-\
It's not sarcasm, it's fact!
I took the shadow cabinet from New Street to the ICC in it at 09:15. I took them back from the ICC to New Street at 13:15. In between I needed somewhere to park it BC was the closest place. No sarcasm
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 09:08:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 14, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Green meets Green in Birmingham Central
@Tony; Like @nxwmbusfan1999 - I agree, it's a nice shot...
By any chance, would 6111 be at BC for type training, for when they get their MMCs?
No, it was there because I needed somewhere to park it.
Sarcasm? ??? (I can't always tell.) :-\
It's not sarcasm, it's fact!
I took the shadow cabinet from New Street to the ICC in it at 09:15. I took them back from the ICC to New Street at 13:15. In between I needed somewhere to park it BC was the closest place. No sarcasm
Okay then. Thanks for clearing that up, I was confused for a moment or two then. :)
@Tony, why did you have to use a brand new bus, couldn't you have taken a Trident?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
@Tony, why did you have to use a brand new bus, couldn't you have taken a Trident?
And I was being accused of sarcasm!
On the basis that this isn't sarcasm (?)
I am picking up people like Michael Dugher, Shadow secretary of state for transport, who recently described the UK Bus industry as broken. Ed Balls, shadow chancellor who may be pulling the purse strings on the nation's finances in a couple of months, do you really think National Express are going to pick them up in anything other than the best they have?
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
@Tony, why did you have to use a brand new bus, couldn't you have taken a Trident?
And I was being accused of sarcasm!
On the basis that this isn't sarcasm (?)
I am picking up people like Michael Dugher, Shadow secretary of state for transport, who recently described the UK Bus industry as broken. Ed Balls, shadow chancellor who may be pulling the purse strings on the nation's finances in a couple of months, do you really think National Express are going to pick them up in anything other than the best they have?
But surely if you had picked them up in a Trident or Spectra, it might have shown that public money needs to be invested in public transport, i know NE have pledged millions in investment over the next few years, but surely some oublic money would help out to!!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
@Tony, why did you have to use a brand new bus, couldn't you have taken a Trident?
And I was being accused of sarcasm!
On the basis that this isn't sarcasm (?)
I am picking up people like Michael Dugher, Shadow secretary of state for transport, who recently described the UK Bus industry as broken. Ed Balls, shadow chancellor who may be pulling the purse strings on the nation's finances in a couple of months, do you really think National Express are going to pick them up in anything other than the best they have?
But surely if you had picked them up in a Trident or Spectra, it might have shown that public money needs to be invested in public transport, i know NE have pledged millions in investment over the next few years, but surely some oublic money would help out to!!!
NOOOOOOOOOO. That proves labour's point that Franchising is needed
I really doubt Ed Balls & co. would be pleased to see a 2002/2003 Trident come rolling up - NX used the opportunity to demonstrate how good their fleet investment is - it's like if you have guests over for dinner. You use the best cutlery usually - not the worst. We don't want politicians having ideas of franchising the bus system.
No, but also why should politicians spend nothing on Public Transport and say nothing, until something goes wrong, then they start moaning. Like the Bearwood councillor who keeps moaning about the buses used, if he is so desperate for the 11 to have new buses, why don't the council contribute, it's only fair!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:57:20 PM
No, but also why should politicians spend nothing on Public Transport and say nothing, until something goes wrong, then they start moaning. Like the Bearwood councillor who keeps moaning about the buses used, if he is so desperate for the 11 to have new buses, why don't the council contribute, it's only fair!
I don't know any politician that says nothing!
It's what Michael Dugher said that's the worry
I want my taxes spent on things that cannot be provided commercially by companies, not things that can
Obviously not an argument i am going to win.
But the odds of Balls and Co getting a majority, let alone out of a hung parliament situation, is as likely as NXWM running the 002...
Plus didn't Scotland have nationalisation threatened and a "donation" occurred to one party who ended up getting elected made that idea go away.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 14, 2015, 09:57:20 PM
No, but also why should politicians spend nothing on Public Transport and say nothing, until something goes wrong, then they start moaning. Like the Bearwood councillor who keeps moaning about the buses used, if he is so desperate for the 11 to have new buses, why don't the council contribute, it's only fair!
I don't know any politician that says nothing!
It's what Michael Dugher said that's the worry
I want my taxes spent on things that cannot be provided commercially by companies, not things that can
As is often the case, I couldn't agree more.
As for the UK bus industry being "broken," some areas are experiencing more growth than ever before (Arriva North East) and generally there's sensible consolidation going on. Generally, reduced funding has actually improved services in some areas as operators want and need to grow services that actually serve the public better as opposed to simply looking good on paper.
Cutbacks have actually also chopped dead wood out of networks which is needed for growth to occur. GNE took a huge amount of mileage out of the network in 2006 and it's all been replaced and growth has been phenomenal and has occurred on corridors people want to actually travel on.
The answer to public transport isn't money, money, money I don't believe-it's let bus people get on with their jobs as opposed to simply interfering and shouting angrily from the sidelines.
Perhaps a better question to ask is why bus use in Wales is falling in direct contrast to England. Perhaps it's because BSOG and concessionary reimbursement rates were badly handled leaving operators in the lurch... Perhaps it's also because the "Welsh Assembly" has been funding services like the Cardiff Airport flyer requiring huge amounts of public subsidy.
...I am really upset they used a branded MMC...
Waaaaaaaaaaa booooo
4634
Like mentioned in the Noteworthy Workings thread:
4953 is still on the 24! The rear ad looks devine when the bus is 'patrolling' up Harborne Road, very fitting with the scenery, yet, I find it odd that WB loaned it's bus to BC. Then again, recent loans have been quite wild...
Quote from: clayderman on March 20, 2015, 04:01:48 PM
Like mentioned in the Noteworthy Workings thread:
4953 is still on the 24! The rear ad looks devine when the bus is 'patrolling' up Harborne Road, very fitting with the scenery, yet, I find it odd that WB loaned it's bus to BC. Then again, recent loans have been quite wild...
Yep I think BC are struggling. Aparantly 4745 was on loan yesterday on 45 / 47. I saw 4742 running empty along Pershore Rd last night which seemed strange....
Quote from: Tony on March 20, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
WA 4139 also on the 97!
4139 missed BC that much, it wanted to come back :D
What's changed / happened at BC that's seen it move from lending buses to PB on an almost daily basis a few week back to borrowing vehicles from most Birmingham and Black Country garages over the last couple of days?
Single deck Scania on the 98 today as well!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 01, 2013, 09:32:29 PM
To be honest, buying a big batch of scania buses wouldnt be a bad idea as with scania making people redundant at slupsk they want a big order and would give a good deal Im sure so maybe time for some more omnilinks :P
I wouldn't mind NXWM ordering OmniCities ! They look good and you'd think the largest garage would have the most variety as well !
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 08:49:43 PM
I wouldn't mind NXWM ordering OmniCities ! They look good and you'd think the largest garage would have the most variety as well !
They do have 5 omnicities don't they at Perry barr?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 20, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
They do have 5 omnicities don't they at Perry barr?
@Trident 4194 6 to be precise, 4697, 4777-81
They do but I while I like them their, for the sake of good variety (Not that BC really needs it) to the overall fleet, they should have more
Quote from: Alex on March 20, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
@Trident 4194 6 to be precise, 4697, 4777-81
To be precise, today PB had 7!
6031 was still in service.
The lovely driver of the 2106 29a decided to ignore me with my hand out and drive straight past stop gc3 in the city. How nice
Quote from: bususer12 on March 20, 2015, 09:08:49 PM
The lovely driver of the 2106 29a decided to ignore me with my hand out and drive straight past stop gc3 in the city. How nice
2106 from where? The 29A leaves city at 20:30 & 21:30
Fleetnumber Perjaps
Quote from: Mike K on March 20, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
Perjaps not. Not a BC bus.
Stop GC3 is the one on the too city side of Great Charles Street, If a driver passed me at that stop, I would just walk to the one in Newhall Street (Friday night diversion currently in force) and catch him there 5 minutes later
I was thinking of taking a trip to BC on Sunday afternoon (As I like to see a bus garage full of buses and Sunday PVR means, they're mostly resting) but I was wondering is this ok providing I don't "trespass and I remain well clear of any boundaries i.e. fence.
Assuming so, can any BC professionals recommend a good spot to take a few photos. Thank You.
P.S I only ask just to be on the safe side.
If anybody wants a pic of 2142 on the 900
It should work the following;
From Birmingham - 13:35, 16:35, 19:30 (900E), 21:00
From Coventry/Airport* - 12:10, 15:10, 18:19, 20:24*, 22:20
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 21, 2015, 11:38:31 AM
If anybody wants a pic of 2142 on the 900
It should work the following;
From Birmingham - 13:35, 16:35, 19:30 (900E), 21:00
From Coventry/Airport* - 12:10, 15:10, 18:19, 20:24*, 22:20
looks like ive worked it out correctly then (: providing it has not been swapped
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 21, 2015, 11:46:03 AM
looks like ive worked it out correctly then (: providing it has not been swapped
Is it still on?
Seen 4895,4900,4906
@Tony any particular reason why a Hybrid would do it at that late at night? And what's with the other BC allocation issues? A B7RLE on the 900, Omnilinks hither and thither etc are the tridents just falling apart haha
Is there an omnilink out today?
2142 still on 900 left Coventry 12:10.
Quote from: JoNi on March 21, 2015, 12:49:04 PM
2142 still on 900 left Coventry 12:10.
I was on that :)
Here is 2142 operating the 10:35 to Coventry at Sheldon Wheatsheaf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/16260933594/
Unless my eyes deceived me, I seen an OmniLink on the 97p mid day today !
Quote from: BusFan on March 23, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
Unless my eyes deceived me, I seen an OmniLink on the 97p mid day today !
it was a bordesley omnilink on loan
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 23, 2015, 07:05:41 PM
it was a bordesley omnilink on loan
I'm having trouble imagining the largest garage borrowing from the smallest
Quote from: BusFan on March 23, 2015, 07:06:47 PM
I'm having trouble imagining the largest garage borrowing from the smallest
*largest, in Birmingham. ;)
Also, 08:05 24 service was late, again. By almost 10 minutes. Two buses were in convoy this morning. A B7, and an E400, 4908. (Millie(?))
Quote from: clayderman on March 23, 2015, 07:40:50 PM
*largest, in Birmingham. ;)
Also, 08:05 24 service was late, again. By almost 10 minutes. Two buses were in convoy this morning. A B7, and an E400, 4908. (Millie(?))
Also largest and Smallest garages across the board at NX
Quote from: Nathan on March 23, 2015, 08:07:16 PM
Also largest and Smallest garages across the board at NX
Not true. Luton Airport is the smallest garage within NX
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
Not true. Luton Airport is the smallest garage within NX
Apologies, I should have made myself more clear, i meant NXWM (Allocation size)
Quote from: Nathan on March 23, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Apologies, I should have made myself more clear, i meant NXWM (Allocation size)
That's what I meant as well !
4953 (Irene) on the 24, again... All Day, I think.
60/900/957 diverting towards Lyndon road/Melton avenue
due to RTC at Coventry road (sheldon)
update 0825
buses 900/957/60/58 all stuck towards wheatsheif
avoid travelling towards sheldon
After months of being mute, the ex WN Hybrids have finally taken on the voice of Phil Upton. Very loudly in the case of 5517.
806 (99 Branded Enviro 200) was on the 14 today
Quote from: BusFan on March 26, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
806 (99 Branded Enviro 200) was on the 14 today
Another branded 99 E200 was off route as well today. 801 was on the 97 this afternoon.
Quote from: D10 on March 26, 2015, 08:26:12 PM
Another branded 99 E200 was off route as well today. 801 was on the 97 this afternoon.
Passengers awaiting their usual double decker must have quite surprised with an Enviro 200 showing up instead !
B7RLE on the 22
4428's LED displaying is displaying arabic ! Thats a first !
Is it on the 14's?
It was on an outbound 97, it was actually urdo
Quote from: BusFan on March 29, 2015, 06:03:52 PM
4428's LED displaying is displaying arabic ! Thats a first !
It's been displaying rubbish for months
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 10:30:02 AM4198 on the 9 also still displaying rubbish on its via line!
Quote from: Mike K on January 19, 2015, 12:41:24 PM
I wonder what it is that causes that. The BC 44xx Trident with the LEDs (number escapes) me is, or was, similarly afflicted.
4428 Mike. Saw it around 2 weeks ago, still like that then
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 30, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
B7 on 99 departed halesowen at 14:38 (2138 I think)
I saw 2134 in Birmingham at 13:30, so that's probably it.
Which Tridents have euro 4 or 5 engines?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on March 30, 2015, 09:33:07 PM
Which Tridents have euro 4 or 5 engines?
4166, 4177, 4179, 4186, 4619, 4633, 4634
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 30, 2015, 09:37:28 PM
4166, 4177, 4179, 4186, 4619, 4633, 4634
4176 and 4586
Yeah 2134 on the 99 and 80x on the 98! Well done lads!
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 07:58:16 AM
2123 on the 99
Also this morning's BC 9s are 4153 and 2150
Bit late but 2122 was on the 99 yesterday
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 07:58:16 AM
2123 on the 99
Also this morning's BC 9s are 4153 and 2150
I thought the BC 9 journeys were school days only, certainly they are not shown on this weeks timetable on the NWM website?
Please tell me the 97 is getting new buses this year. Baffles me that one of NXWMs most frequent and heavily used (and 24 hour) routes is operating on tatty looking 11-14 year old buses.
Quote from: JB93 on April 02, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
Please tell me the 97 is getting new buses this year. Baffles me that one of NXWMs most frequent and heavily used (and 24 hour) routes is operating on tatty looking 11-14 year old buses.
They really do need a refurb but the buses that are used are really good.
For next year I hope/think that routes:
126, 61/63, 97, 65/67, 94
Quote from: JB93 on April 02, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
Please tell me the 97 is getting new buses this year. Baffles me that one of NXWMs most frequent and heavily used (and 24 hour) routes is operating on tatty looking 11-14 year old buses.
It's in the wrong part of Brum lol
Quote from: JB93 on April 02, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
Please tell me the 97 is getting new buses this year. Baffles me that one of NXWMs most frequent and heavily used (and 24 hour) routes is operating on tatty looking 11-14 year old buses.
I hope that as well ! I caught it twice today and while the Tridents are seemingly reliable (Not speaking from an engineering standpoint) they are old and I feel as thought they need an upgrade.
I see a trend of NXWM tending to invest in routes where they see a strong potential to attract new passengers (car drivers).
The 97 passes through areas where most potential customers would be using bus anyway, perhaps this is why it's under-invested. No idea why it doesn't apply to the 94 where it goes through Castle Bromwich.
My guess would be that the bus routes in Solihull using buses from YW garage gets either new buses or displaced E400 from other routes before 94/97 is upgraded.
Quote from: :D on April 04, 2015, 12:34:29 AM
I see a trend of NXWM tending to invest in routes where they see a strong potential to attract new passengers (car drivers).
The 97 passes through areas where most potential customers would be using bus anyway, perhaps this is why it's under-invested. No idea why it doesn't apply to the 94 where it goes through Castle Bromwich.
My guess would be that the bus routes in Solihull using buses from YW garage gets either new buses or displaced E400 from other routes before 94/97 is upgraded.
Like it or not, the 94 isn't the highest priority for cascades/new buses, it's perfectly fine being run by refurbished Geminis in the meantime. The 97 should be a candidate for at least cascades. Saying that the 61/63, 65/67 share the same/very similar frequencies, but are still operated by older buses
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 04, 2015, 12:46:04 AM
Like it or not, the 94 isn't the highest priority for cascades/new buses, it's perfectly fine being run by refurbished Geminis in the meantime. The 97 should be a candidate for at least cascades. Saying that the 61/63, 65/67 share the same/very similar frequencies, but are still operated by older buses
The fact that the competition are wiping the floor with NXWM (in terms of standards and passenger growth levels) doesn't count for anything especially from a business point of view. However I will accept that the competition does not run on eve and Sundays.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 04, 2015, 04:38:42 AM
The fact that the competition are wiping the floor with NXWM (in terms of standards and passenger growth levels) doesn't count for anything especially from a business point of view. However I will accept that the competition does not run on eve and Sundays.
And of course, from someone who doesn't actually use it, let alone work for either company, you would know the passenger growth figures for both companies?
And as someone else has pointed out this
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4661.html
(yes I know that's AG's but Perry Barr's look the same)
is no different to
http://wmbusphotos.com/Claribels/YJ62JZG.html
in attractiveness to most passengers
Both are clean tidy vehicles with excellent condition seating that take the same time to get to their destination.
My response to that is one is cheaper and one has not had a near monopoly for a number of years and their service has gone backwards. The other has grown over time without a monopoly handed to them from the tax payer and they have invested and grown. Just a general observation really.
Who cares really seriously , Maggie thatchers then Tory party had this thing going on back in the day lets privatise everything, the taxman didn't lose out WMT did go for a price in the then management/employee buyout. There are more buses on the road than ever before. FairPlay to claribels for the job they are doing, I am currently half away across the world in India and you should see the state of buses here horrific, yes there brand new spankers From volvo and mercs here aswell, people don't winge they get on with it. You should be grateful for buses you get in Britain regularly inspected, safety first priority not an after thought. Coaches here that travel between the big city's really are something more like business class on Emirates, seats more like lazy boys and all mod cons.
4472 currently broken down near kidderminster carpets in longbridge......been sat there for about 5 mins awaiting recovery
Theirs an Enviro 200 on the 58
Quote from: BusFan on April 09, 2015, 09:30:14 AM
Theirs an Enviro 200 on the 58
It's 809 it's going to solihull now
Bristol Road services now extended to Albert Street in the city centre, with that being the relief point as well. So now BR drivers can block both High St and Albert St during layovers.
I'm on. 4459 and I cant help but notice a wind type hissing noise
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 11, 2015, 08:24:07 AM
Bristol Road services now extended to Albert Street in the city centre, with that being the relief point as well. So now BR drivers can block both High St and Albert St during layovers.
Hahahaha you can't be serious?
Albert Street being that narrow strip of road used by most services in the City for entering/leaving?
Why was the X51 shifted from there again...
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 12, 2015, 12:16:52 PM
Hahahaha you can't be serious?
Albert Street being that narrow strip of road used by most services in the City for entering/leaving?
Why was the X51 shifted from there again...
It's actually true, see:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/revised-timetables-for-services-61-63-sunday-12th-april-2015
lots of drivers use albert street as a layover point after the morning peak so where will these go?
Something needs to be done about the Pershore road stop, theres always 3 buses trying to squeeze on causing chaos as they block up carrs lane.
I believe it is an emergency arrangement because of the Grand Central works.
Park St has a lay-by with room for two buses (next to the derelict lighting place). Also consider this, now these BR services are being routed into the city under the guise of roadworks, do you really believe they will be curtailed back after all is done?
On the 97, I caught glimpse of BC and I saw what appeared to be a white single decker bus but I reckon it was older generation bus,
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 01:51:03 PM
On the 97, I caught glimpse of BC and I saw what appeared to be a white single decker bus but I reckon it was older generation bus,
Most likely a trainer
Probably was as Training vehicles are white I believe
On my way back, I caught glimpse of a Trident (I think 4428) leaving BC with an engineer (Orange overalls) driving.
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 12, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
Park St has a lay-by with room for two buses (next to the derelict lighting place). Also consider this, now these BR services are being routed into the city under the guise of roadworks, do you really believe they will be curtailed back after all is done?
Hopefully they will stay at Albert Street. For such major services as the 61 and 63 to only come as close to the City Centre as New Street Station is pretty poor, the Albert Street stop opens these services up to a different section of the City.
I've always thought that about my local bus routes and their stopping places, which is why would rather drive any day.
Just seen 4162 do a 360 on the Richmond 5 ways roundabout, quite impressed I must admit and its NIT, parked up on Richmond Road
Quote from: D10 on April 13, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
Hopefully they will stay at Albert Street. For such major services as the 61 and 63 to only come as close to the City Centre as New Street Station is pretty poor, the Albert Street stop opens these services up to a different section of the City.
Hopefully not! I bet it just causes delays in the city even more services using Carr's Lane and Albert Street. Great move NX. Pffft.
If I had to choose a service that terminates at Albert Street, it would probably a Broad Street serving bus (9 springs to mind), need more buses connecting the Queensway to Broad Street.
Quote from: BusFan on April 14, 2015, 04:18:33 PM
If I had to choose a service that terminates at Albert Street, it would probably a Broad Street serving bus (9 springs to mind), need more buses connecting the Queensway to Broad Street.
Why not just walk? Or catch the 16, 82, 87?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on April 14, 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Why not just walk? Or catch the 16, 82, 87?
I would but I don't everyone would, plus those services dont go to Broad Street.
Quote from: BusFan on April 14, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
I would but I don't everyone would, plus those services dont go to Broad Street.
Then you catch the 126 from that side of town
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2015, 06:45:06 PM
Then you catch the 126 from that side of town
Don't the 120 aswell?
Its a five minute walk from Carrs Lane to Colmore Row, at least that's how long it takes me. Its quicker than walking to a nearby bus stop and waiting for a connecting bus. And the exercise does me good. ;)
You have to remember nxwm are a business and they aren't going to add extra time or cost if it's nlt going to bring in more revenue. They offer the £1 city hop for people who want to make a short journey so extending services to cover more of town will reduce the amount of people needing multiple buses
Hopefully the BR services won't stay at Albert Street long, because I've just heard that with the next phase of Paradise Circus works the 82/87 will terminate there instead of looping the city
Quote from: Kevin on April 20, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Hopefully the BR services won't stay at Albert Street long, because I've just heard that with the next phase of Paradise Circus works the 82/87 will terminate there instead of looping the city
But they'll have to loop the city to get to Albert Street won't they?
This page shows the changes
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=Transport-Planning-and-Consultation%2FPageLayout&cid=1223495512338&pagename=BCC%2FCommon%2FWrapper%2FInlineWrapper (http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=Transport-Planning-and-Consultation%2FPageLayout&cid=1223495512338&pagename=BCC%2FCommon%2FWrapper%2FInlineWrapper)
Quote from: Gareth on April 20, 2015, 11:34:19 PM
But they'll have to loop the city to get to Albert Street won't they?
Well, kinda yeah, but they'll be coming from Priory Queensway instead
Rumour has it the 61/63 will move to Park St. So straight down Moor St, through the bus gate turn right use the lay-by there for relief and layover then turn right then left back onto Moor St and out.
I seen 4144 with 2 engineers leaving BC
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 21, 2015, 06:55:40 AM
Rumour has it the 61/63 will move to Park St. So straight down Moor St, through the bus gate turn right use the lay-by there for relief and layover then turn right then left back onto Moor St and out.
Ive heard that too, sounds like a good idea, relief point closer to garage.
And some nice grass area to sit round in the sunshine!!
And another layover point taken over...
I was thinking, next to the 17 stop on Moor Street there's a patch which is being used to store building materials. Could make a little interchange there...
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 21, 2015, 10:07:20 PM
I was thinking, next to the 17 stop on Moor Street there's a patch which is being used to store building materials. Could make a little interchange there...
That's a good idea, I've always which service used to make use of it and its good space which could be used for that.
Quote from: BusFan on April 21, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
That's a good idea, I've always which service used to make use of it and its good space which could be used for that.
Wouldn't that cause more traffic mayhem in rush hour?
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 21, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
Wouldn't that cause more traffic mayhem in rush hour?
Didn't consider that but it's indent in the road so providing the buses don't stack up, It shouldn't be a problem although thats usually far from the truth.
It's a good bit of space which isn't being used.
On a different matter, 801 looks like its had it's side display removed? I couldnt tell, but all I saw, or rather didn't see was a display in the window.
Quote from: clayderman on April 22, 2015, 06:54:48 PM
On a different matter, 801 looks like its had it's side display removed? I couldnt tell, but all I saw, or rather didn't see was a display in the window.
It was never working correctly in the first place.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 22, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
It was never working correctly in the first place.
I know. ;) Perhaps it'll be replaced soon? I was slightly confused, until I realised it was 801. Haha!
2146 on the 99
I believe there's a BC bus with a green overall advert. Just seen on Smallbrook Queensway, couldn't ID
4459 & 4460 are missing the border branding that goes on the route destination. Looks weird without it theire
4941 making an appearance on the 23. E400s, to me, doesn't seem to look like they belong on the 22/23...
4141 and 4437 both on 22/23 this evening. Two Tridents is unusual. Meanwhile plenty of B5s on the 24.
Quote from: Mike K on May 01, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
4141 and 4437 both on 22/23 this evening. Two Tridents is unusual. Meanwhile plenty of B5s on the 24.
Yet mostly tridents this morning... Only E400 i've seen is 4906...
Has the 957 gone back to decker operation of an evening now? Or is it a coniscdence I've seen two enviros on there tonight?!
Platinum registrations are YX15, have they been built in Yorkshire instead of falkirk?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 02, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Platinum registrations are YX15, have they been built in Yorkshire instead of falkirk?
What do you mean 'instead of'?
Thought the e400 mmc were being built at falkirk i was wondering why the platinums have a Yorkshire registration?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 02, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
Thought the e400 mmc were being built at falkirk i was wondering why the platinums have a Yorkshire registration?
Both plants can build all models
Quote from: Tony on May 02, 2015, 09:51:36 PM
Both plants can build all models
I didn't realise Tony thank you.
Where is the last 97 stop for tomorrow (I believe their is the 10K run and the bus mall stop has closed)
Is the Adderley Street open area part of BC ?!
Quote from: BusFan on May 02, 2015, 10:54:08 PM
Where is the last 97 stop for tomorrow (I believe their is the 10K run and the bus mall stop has closed)
Is the Adderley Street open area part of BC ?!
The last normal stop will be the stop on Great Barr Street at the junction with Liverpool St. It will then divert via Fazeley Street, New Canal Street & Meriden Street and terminate opposite the Coach Station. There are apparently temporary stops along New Canal St and buses will be serving the unused stops along Fazeley Street.
The 6, 37, 60, 900 & 957 are also doing the same route.
here are diversions today due to 10K marathon
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/birmingham-10k-marathon-sunday-3rd-may-2015
4900 & 4902 now been de-branded from the 900
4910 & 4913 now been de-branded from the 957
Routes they are on are below. If anybody wants a pic of them de-branded.
4900 > 60
4902 > 900
4910 > 60
4913 > 60
4428 was on rail rep between birmingham new street and Wolverhampton today
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 04, 2015, 11:14:13 AM
4900 & 4902 now been de-branded from the 900
4910 & 4913 now been de-branded from the 957
Routes they are on are below. If anybody wants a pic of them de-branded.
4900 > 60
4902 > 900
4910 > 60
4913 > 60
Got a shot of 4900 at moor street 1525 on 60E
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 04, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
4428 was on rail rep between birmingham new street and Wolverhampton today
As is 4160:
WN's 4 buses on there today are 4543,4563,4583 and 4596
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2015, 04:41:44 PM
As is 4160:
WN's 4 buses on there today are 4543,4563,4583 and 4596
4628 too. From BC
4897/4899/4901 now de-branded from the 900.
4897 is on the 900, 4899/4901 are on the 957. If anybody wants a pic of them unbranded
6701/2 delivered today
Putting this under Central as i presume they will operate it
PD0001111/722 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Birmingham Coach Station
Finish Point: Warwickshire County Cricket Club, Edgbaston Stadium
Via: New Street Train Station
Service Number: 501
Service Type: Limited Stop
Effective Date: 22-MAY-2015
Other Details: Shuttle service to operate between Birmingham Coach Station and Edgbaston Stadium on match day
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
6701/2 delivered today
when will one of the new buses for 900/957 be on display or will they wait for the new ones for 37 71 72 before displaying them
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 06, 2015, 01:44:48 PM
4897/4899/4901 now de-branded from the 900.
4897 is on the 900, 4899/4901 are on the 957. If anybody wants a pic of them unbranded
4901 is on 900
4902 is on 957 (4902 now debranded too)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2015, 02:10:43 PM
Putting this under Central as i presume they will operate it
PD0001111/722 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Birmingham Coach Station
Finish Point: Warwickshire County Cricket Club, Edgbaston Stadium
Via: New Street Train Station
Service Number: 501
Service Type: Limited Stop
Effective Date: 22-MAY-2015
Other Details: Shuttle service to operate between Birmingham Coach Station and Edgbaston Stadium on match day
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/opening-partnership-for-warwickshire-and-national-express
Does anyone know if the ex 900 and 957 buses when they go to pershore road will be painted into Crimson as the pershore road would be getting 'upgraded'?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 06, 2015, 04:07:17 PM
Does anyone know if the ex 900 and 957 buses when they go to pershore road will be painted into Crimson as the pershore road would be getting 'upgraded'?
Wasn't PR getting upgraded with Walsall's *current* 934/5/6 E400's, and then some? I'd imagine the ex900/957 buses will be repainted, but not a priority/in due course like others...
Quote from: clayderman on May 06, 2015, 05:01:44 PM
Wasn't PR getting upgraded with Walsall's *current* 934/5/6 E400's, and then some? I'd imagine the ex900/957 buses will be repainted, but not a priority/in due course like others...
Nope, The MD's business brief did state the buses from the 900/57 would move to PR.
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
6701/2 delivered today
Has anyone got a picture?
Quote from: Nathan on May 06, 2015, 06:08:42 PM
Nope, The MD's business brief did state the buses from the 900/57 would move to PR.
My bad. But would WA's Enviros still move to BC, or was that a speculation?
Quote from: clayderman on May 06, 2015, 06:31:05 PM
My bad. But would WA's Enviros still move to BC, or was that a speculation?
Don't think anythings been confirmed yet
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 06, 2015, 07:00:33 PM
Don't think anythings been confirmed yet
I believe Tony stated that the MD's brief included WA's Enviros going to BC, Coventry and a 3rd Garage if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: BusFan on May 06, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
I believe Tony stated that the MD's brief included WA's Enviros going to BC, Coventry and a 3rd Garage if I'm not mistaken.
I thought it just said buses to those garages in general and not mention what or which was gojng where? I also read a rumour the leather enviros was going to coventry!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 06, 2015, 07:50:44 PM
I thought it just said buses to those garages in general and not mention what or which was gojng where? I also read a rumour the leather enviros was going to coventry!
To my knowledge (Which isn't the best) it was just mentioned they'll be cascaded down them garages (Not specifying what was going were)
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3262.msg140714#msg140714
Will the new 501 cricket shuttle be running instead of the Claribels cricket service they've run over the last couple of years?
Quote from: suavegarv on May 06, 2015, 08:05:27 PM
Will the new 501 cricket shuttle be running instead of the Claribels cricket service they've run over the last couple of years?
There's a notice up in garage asking for drivers to put their names forward for the cricket shuttles.
Also, the platinum buses at BC look amazing. No really!
Quote from: AndrewLee on May 06, 2015, 08:15:58 PM
There's a notice up in garage asking for drivers to put their names forward for the cricket shuttles.
Also, the platinum buses at BC look amazing. No really!
Are they already there ?! I need to see them !
Quote from: AndrewLee on May 06, 2015, 08:15:58 PM
There's a notice up in garage asking for drivers to put their names forward for the cricket shuttles.
Also, the platinum buses at BC look amazing. No really!
Have you got a picture?
I don't have a pic I've took myself. Haven't seen one in the flesh as I'm off work at the mo but I'll be having a mooch come the weekend.
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2015, 08:21:39 PM
I have seen a poor quality picture on Facebook of one leaving the factory
@Matt have you got the link for that photo on Facebook?
More importantly, when can we expect them in service? And am I right in thinking that these buses will not only feature WiFi, but leather upholstery and power outlets?
I would expect buses, like any others, to be phased into service, but with these features, surely they should all enter at once? Was this the case with Arriva Sapphire 110? I understand that, occasionally, they'd have the odd other bus...
Quote from: clayderman on May 06, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
More importantly, when can we expect them in service? And am I right in thinking that these buses will not only feature WiFi, but leather upholstery and power outlets?
I would expect buses, like any others, to be phased into service, but with these features, surely they should all enter at once? Was this the case with Arriva Sapphire 110? I understand that, occasionally, they'd have the odd other bus...
They're going to be only part leather and won't have sockets apparently.
Been told they'll be phased in as normal
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
They're going to be only part leather and won't have sockets apparently.
Been told they'll be phased in as normal
What a shame. I mean the sockets, but I guess it's a potential fire/danger hazard... Wifi, and 'part' leather seats will do me just fine. ;)
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
They're going to be only part leather and won't have sockets apparently.
Been told they'll be phased in as normal
That's took the shine off NXWM Platinum a bit only part leather seats go full leather or don't boffer half leather gets tatty very quickly like the seats on Diamond Value Wright Eclipse Urbans! ::)
Leather seat is probably for the driver!! :)
Quote from: Reece on May 06, 2015, 10:43:36 PM
That's took the shine off NXWM Platinum a bit only part leather seats go full leather or don't boffer half leather gets tatty very quickly like the seats on Diamond Value Wright Eclipse Urbans! ::)
Half leather and half moquette is by far the better option than full leather. Trentbarton have resorted to this as passenger feedback suggested they actually prefer moquette as it's not slippery and cold in the winter or makes your clothes sweaty in the summer.
I also don't get where this Diamond Value eclipse's being tatty has come from. Having been on every one at some point fairly recently, they're absolutely not. The interiors especially with the branding look superb vs similar aged NXWM eclipses or the oldest non refurbed Scanias.
Look what happened to full leather NXWM buses last time round ::) The last time I went on one of that batch it was horrible-sticky, marked seats with odd stains that were really cold as opposed to a more comfortable moquette seat. However leather headrests and seat sides prevents the excessive wear and tear on those bits of the seat so they don't go threadbare.
One question i got to ask, when all platinums are delivered to BC do they have to stay to their allocated routes or will they pop up on other routes (especially weekends) as they don't need the full allocation. Or are they strictly used the 900 and 957 only
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 08, 2015, 09:24:46 AM
One question i got to ask, when all platinums are delivered to BC do they have to stay to their allocated routes or will they pop up on other routes (especially weekends) as they don't need the full allocation. Or are they strictly used the 900 and 957 only
Strictly 900/957
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 06, 2015, 11:49:34 PM
Half leather and half moquette is by far the better option than full leather. Trentbarton have resorted to this as passenger feedback suggested they actually prefer moquette as it's not slippery and cold in the winter or makes your clothes sweaty in the summer.
I also don't get where this Diamond Value eclipse's being tatty has come from. Having been on every one at some point fairly recently, they're absolutely not. The interiors especially with the branding look superb vs similar aged NXWM eclipses or the oldest non refurbed Scanias.
Look what happened to full leather NXWM buses last time round ::) The last time I went on one of that batch it was horrible-sticky, marked seats with odd stains that were really cold as opposed to a more comfortable moquette seat. However leather headrests and seat sides prevents the excessive wear and tear on those bits of the seat so they don't go threadbare.
From what I can make out from the photo of 6702 is that the seats should look like something that Nottingham City Transports has fitted to their 15 reg enviro400s which is high back seats trimmed in part leather. Which I think does not look to bad.
https://flic.kr/p/rJKZMe (https://flic.kr/p/rJKZMe) Upstairs
https://flic.kr/p/r5q2Ya (https://flic.kr/p/r5q2Ya) Downstairs
Some de-branded E400's out today
4910-900
2134 on Sunday 99 duties.
Presumably the 61/63 are staying at Albert Street for the time being? Haven't heard anything to the contrary recently.
Only ask cause the 82/87 are terminating there from today, so I imagine that block around Carrs Lane and Albert Street are going to get horrendously congested come rush hour tomorrow
It appeared that the 60 was fully Trident operated today. Usually majority E400 operated on a Sunday from my observations.
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2015, 06:02:08 PM
It appeared that the 60 was fully Trident operated today. Usually majority E400 operated on a Sunday from my observations.
With the 957 seemingly to be single decker!
Quote from: Kevin on May 10, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
Presumably the 61/63 are staying at Albert Street for the time being? Haven't heard anything to the contrary recently.
Only ask cause the 82/87 are terminating there from today, so I imagine that block around Carrs Lane and Albert Street are going to get horrendously congested come rush hour tomorrow
Can't wait! It's bad enough now. Also, the 126 now using Holloway Head won't help with the congestion down there - that roundabout is a killer!!
Quote from: Kevin on May 10, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
Presumably the 61/63 are staying at Albert Street for the time being? Haven't heard anything to the contrary recently.
Only ask cause the 82/87 are terminating there from today, so I imagine that block around Carrs Lane and Albert Street are going to get horrendously congested come rush hour tomorrow
Not sure why the 82/87 needs to use Albert Street, why can't they just terminate at Argos. End of the day other services do.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 10, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
Not sure why the 82/87 needs to use Albert Street, why can't they just terminate at Argos. End of the day other services do.
The reason the 82/87 currently do the complete city loop is because of the number of passengers of other routes who change onto them to get to City Hospital, hence the need to get them as close to services coming in from Digbeth & Bristol/Pershore Roads as possible.
Arh interesting.Makes sense.
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2015, 06:02:08 PM
It appeared that the 60 was fully Trident operated today. Usually majority E400 operated on a Sunday from my observations.
I saw 4616 and 4633 about 3 times on the 60 today. Surely there's enough Enviros for the 60 on Sunday's. What is the PVR, 7?
Probably just taking a few Enviros out of service to take off the 900/957 branding.
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2015, 07:49:30 PM
The reason the 82/87 currently do the complete city loop is because of the number of passengers of other routes who change onto them to get to City Hospital, hence the need to get them as close to services coming in from Digbeth & Bristol/Pershore Roads as possible.
What, a bus that provides a useful cross city centre link?
So why do other similarly useful links (Aston Uni / science Park / Eastside being one that immediately springs to mind) no longer exist then?
Quote from: Kevin on May 10, 2015, 08:46:37 PM
What, a bus that provides a useful cross city centre link?
So why do other similarly useful links (Aston Uni / science Park / Eastside being one that immediately springs to mind) no longer exist then?
Exactly, if you are looking for useful links, why can't services like the 9 do a city loop so places like Digbeth Coach Station are easier to get to, or the new 141 so that it provides links for RHH?
What is so special about City Hospital?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 10, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
Exactly, if you are looking for useful links, why can't services like the 9 do a city loop so places like Digbeth Coach Station are easier to get to, or the new 141 so that it provides links for RHH?
What is so special about City Hospital?
If you read my message it tells you.... People use it!
Every single person can easily get to Digbeth by one change, the same as City Hospital from any route, you change onto the 16.
You cannot have lots of buses doing city loops, well in fact it is difficult to have any loops, hence even the 82/87 aren't loops from today.
If National Express were missing any big demand on any flow why aren't any of the other companies running them?
I would surmise loads of routes doing City loops will be confusing to passengers as well.
Quote from: BusFan on May 10, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
I would surmise loads of routes doing City loops will be confusing to passengers as well.
Possibly, but then does everyone coming in from eg:The Coventry Road or Hagley Road, only want to be able to catch sevices to one part of the City, surely service shave to be versatile.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 10, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
Exactly, if you are looking for useful links, why can't services like the 9 do a city loop so places like Digbeth Coach Station are easier to get to, or the new 141 so that it provides links for RHH?
What is so special about City Hospital?
I would be surprised if hardly anyone uses the full 141 from Birmingham to RHH, can't see there being much demand. Plenty of people on the South and West side of the city work at the QE or City hospitals but I'd imagine most RHH workers (certainly those who commute to work using public transport) are Black Country folk
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 10, 2015, 09:08:24 PM
Possibly, but then does everyone coming in from eg:The Coventry Road or Hagley Road, only want to be able to catch sevices to one part of the City, surely service shave to be versatile.
Hence why services down the Hagley Road have the option of Colmore Row (9) or Markets (126)
Services from Digbeth have an easy change onto both the 16 & 82/87
Services from Hockley have the 16 to get anywhere (if you watch the stops on Constitiion Hill you will see load of people getting off 16s and waiting for either the 46 or 74/75.
Perhaps any armchair expert planners might actually have lists of where passengers off each route want to get to?
There's not much point doing door to door services, it's better if people have to change from a business point of view, more journeys = more revenue!
Washwood Heath Corridor provide naff links in my view the reason much rather drive.
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2015, 09:00:30 PM
If you read my message it tells you.... People use it!
Every single person can easily get to Digbeth by one change, the same as City Hospital from any route, you change onto the 16.
And people used the 66 when it existed, It was only chopped because it was unreliable, nothing to do with people not using it. Using my Aston Uni example, how does "everyone" get there with one simple change and no walking across the city centre.
Apologies for the persistence on this but it just seems like there's logic that only applies in certain circumstances and apparently cannot be applied in others despite being near enough an identical situation
Quote from: Kevin on May 10, 2015, 09:47:21 PM
And people used the 66 when it existed, It was only chopped because it was unreliable, nothing to do with people not using it. Using my Aston Uni example, how does "everyone" get there with one simple change and no walking across the city centre.
Apologies for the persistence on this but it just seems like there's logic that only applies in certain circumstances and apparently cannot be applied in others despite being near enough an identical situation
A lot of links were broken by the awful road layout given to bus operators (not just NX) in the City Centre where capacity is the problem.
Try starting a new service and see which stop you will be pushed onto. It will be the one in front of the 17 stop, the furthest stop away from where most people actually want to go, hence why it is empty!
If there was any real passenger demand to and from the Aston University side of town that NX were missing why aren't Claribels running it and making all that missing money?
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2015, 10:05:21 PM
A lot of links were broken by the awful road layout given to bus operators (not just NX) in the City Centre where capacity is the problem.
Try starting a new service and see which stop you will be pushed onto. It will be the one in front of the 17 stop, the furthest stop away from where most people actually want to go, hence why it is empty!
If there was any real passenger demand to and from the Aston University side of town that NX were missing why aren't Claribels running it and making all that missing money?
Just saying, it's a link that had previously existed for decades, so there was obviously demand for it.
Anyway, Central garage, my apologies...
Quote from: Kevin on May 10, 2015, 10:17:16 PM
Just saying, it's a link that had previously existed for decades, so there was obviously demand for it.
Anyway, Central garage, my apologies...
It is not one of the 'traditional' links. It originated when the WMPTE thought the 43 (city - Nechells) & 96 (City-Winson Green) were two short to be viable so joined them up, nothing to do with passenger demand, same as a lot of WMPTE changes which had more to do with operating convenience than passenger usefulness.
(second time the 96 has been mentioned this week!)
Going back to MonkeyJoes comment. There was a Shard End to City Hospital via Washwood Heath service at one time. 81y and latterly the 92y I think. I'm sure if they were well used and profitable they would still be running.
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2015, 10:29:35 PM
It is not one of the 'traditional' links. It originated when the WMPTE thought the 43 (city - Nechells) & 96 (City-Winson Green) were two short to be viable so joined them up, nothing to do with passenger demand, same as a lot of WMPTE changes which had more to do with operating convenience than passenger usefulness.
(second time the 96 has been mentioned this week!)
Reading back about the 96 I think it was a nice route :P
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2015, 10:29:35 PM
It is not one of the 'traditional' links. It originated when the WMPTE thought the 43 (city - Nechells) & 96 (City-Winson Green) were two short to be viable so joined them up,
...
(second time the 96 has been mentioned this week!)
Erroneously...
95 city - five ways - Ladywood
Map dated 1975 says so :-D
If I recall correctly, the 43 (Nechells - City) was extended via Ladywood to Soho, replacing the 95 and part of the 83. I think it was done as part of the 10% cuts of 1980, so the reason Tony gives is correct.
What about when they tried moving the X51(or was it still 951 at that point?) to terminate by the markets?
Did any actually terminate there after all, because the time I tried it, it stayed at Dale End or Carrs Lane(can't remember which) & the driver cited the congestion at the time?
Years ago they actually ran the 51 down towards Smallbrook Queensway / New Street Station & that got stopped because of congestion.
On another topic, whilst scrolling through my flickr feed, I stumbled upon a picture from a while back, where Harborne buses, on Colmore Row, displayed "alight only (crew bus)" - and just one question, whatever happened to using that display? Was it just too time-consuming to alternate between that, and an actual service display?
Another thing, they seemed to have named the hybrids (5501 - 5518) - 5515 is Madhu, 5508(?) Anna, and another is called Charlotte.
Quote from: clayderman on May 11, 2015, 07:59:49 AM
Another thing, they seemed to have named the hybrids (5501 - 5518) - 5515 is Madhu, 5508(?) Anna, and another is called Charlotte.
5504 is called Claire
I did look back through the thread but I can't find an answer...
It appears to me that at least one Enviro/(Possibly more) Enviro(s) have had 900 branding removed. Can somebody explain why please?
Thanks.
Quote from: Ben on May 11, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
I did look back through the thread but I can't find an answer...
It appears to me that at least one Enviro/(Possibly more) Enviro(s) have had 900 branding removed. Can somebody explain why please?
Thanks.
They are being replaced by the platinum buses existing e400 on 900/957 are going to the pershore road services 45/47
4895 now de-branded from the 900
4947 is named Bevita
4948 is named Sammy Clare
4909 is now de-branded
Out on 900 if anyone wants a photo
So where's the Bristol Road city terminus? Same place as 82/87 now at Albert Street?
I'm surprised the Broad St services are using normal route on Friday and Saturday nights now. Ooooh all those delays, and what about H&S?
Other names noted: (Hybrids)
- 5517, Olivia
- 5515, Madhu
- UnID, Anna
- 5504, Claire (Thanks
@Mike K)
@Liverpool Street what's health and safety? ;)
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 11, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
@Liverpool Street what's health and safety? ;)
Nx of all operators should know about health and safety, after all they never do anything wrong do they, always stick to the book 😉
4432 covered the 9 for the morning rush hour last run I got on @ 9:08. Is this a regular event or was it the extra bus someone mentioned in an earlier thread. I have got on a few BC Tridents on the 9 which terminate/go out of service at Colmore Row at about 9ish. Some go back to depot I think can someone confirm either way please
@Squiz1971 central do a pair of morning peak trips into city (something to do with the 829 I think?)
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 11, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
@Squiz1971 central do a pair of morning peak trips into city (something to do with the 829 I think?)
Yes 2 BC buses do 2 Halesowen to City runs, then go on top the 829 and then run empty to Quinton and do 2 Quinton City runs on the 9.
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 11, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
@Squiz1971 central do a pair of morning peak trips into city (something to do with the 829 I think?)
&trainbasher Thanks for that did wonder why I saw BC Tridents on the 9 as the 1st time I saw 4622 I think on it I thought it had transferred till it said Not in Service when I got of it cheers for the info and
@Stuharris 6360 that answers why 1 BC trident said 9E Quinton but carried on into town which I caught last time thanks for your help guys cheers
when will 6701&6702 be out in service
Quote from: jack4325 on May 11, 2015, 08:50:21 PM
when will 6701&6702 be out in service
Would presume there will be some kind of high profile launch!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 11, 2015, 08:59:07 PM
Would presume there will be some kind of high profile launch!
ok
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 11, 2015, 08:59:07 PM
Would presume there will be some kind of high profile launch!
Not sure about bc but walsall's are gradually been phased in
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 11, 2015, 06:50:23 PM
Yes 2 BC buses do 2 Halesowen to City runs, then go on top the 829 and then run empty to Quinton and do 2 Quinton City runs on the 9.
Bit of trivia for you. These turns are normally done by the staff bus drivers as their last portion!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 11, 2015, 10:38:15 PM
Not sure about bc but walsall's are gradually been phased in
I'm guessing after one unveiling ceremony, the public will get the word round - and everyone will know about these new buses, sooner or later. Or perhaps it'll be quite low-key - Centenary Square, perhaps?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 11, 2015, 06:50:23 PM
Yes 2 BC buses do 2 Halesowen to City runs, then go on top the 829 and then run empty to Quinton and do 2 Quinton City runs on the 9.
As for this, I thought after they did an 829, they'd go back NIS to Colmore to start on the Harbornes (mainly 24 & 29/A)
Hi guys. Does anyone know where the Platinum Enviro 400 MMC's are on the site?
4941 is named Amy Laura
4942 is named Meena
4943 is named Isabella
4949 is named Cerys
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 12, 2015, 04:38:53 AM
Hi guys. Does anyone know where the Platinum Enviro 400 MMC's are on the site?
They are on the main site in the NXWM section 5000-9959 & scroll down they are after the YW E400MMC's if that is of help
Quote from: clayderman on May 11, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
Other names noted: (Hybrids)
- 5517, Olivia
- 5515, Madhu
- UnID, Anna
- 5504, Claire (Thanks @Mike K)
5518 is Poppy
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 12, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
They are on the main site in the NXWM section 5000-9959 & scroll down they are after the YW E400MMC's if that is of help
On the actual site. As in the 'premises' i think...
Quote from: clayderman on May 12, 2015, 06:14:59 PM
On the actual site. As in the 'premises' i think...
They move!
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 06:31:25 PM
They move!
Well, yeah, but... Easily mistaken, eh? :P ::)
Quote from: clayderman on May 12, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
Well, yeah, but... Easily mistaken, eh? :P ::)
I mean that seriously though. They don't just arrive in a garage and park in one spot for a couple of weeks until they go out in service. They are type training driver on them, type training engineers on them, as shown today, venturing out for publicity shots.
Don't expect them to be easily photographable on a Sunday morning. The garage is full
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
I mean that seriously though. They don't just arrive in a garage and park in one spot for a couple of weeks until they go out in service. They are type training driver on them, type training engineers on them, as shown today, venturing out for publicity shots.
Don't expect them to be easily photographable on a Sunday morning. The garage is full
I understand. I don't know much about garage logistics, and honestly find it interesting, especially from a driver's perspective. :) Thanks, Tony
Names for all of 4940-9 & 5501-18 are now on the main site, save everyone listing them individually when they see one
Quote from: clayderman on May 12, 2015, 06:14:59 PM
On the actual site. As in the 'premises' i think...
Oh right my mistake I thought it was for the pictures on here not to take pictures at the depot
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 11, 2015, 11:14:48 AM
They are being replaced by the platinum buses existing e400 on 900/957 are going to the pershore road services 45/47
Silly me.
Another stupid question but does anybody know when the new vehicles will enter service? And whether going 'platinum' will cause any other changes to the 900? (e.g stopping prices/ticketing)
Quote from: Ben on May 13, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Silly me.
Another stupid question but does anybody know when the new vehicles will enter service? And whether going 'platinum' will cause any other changes to the 900? (e.g stopping prices/ticketing)
If they intend to change stopping pattern, timetable, or routing for 900/957, I would expect to see details for the changes appearing on Nxbus and Network West Midlands website at least a month before.
Your an optimist, the changes for Coventry's changes for this weekend have only just become available on their webpage.
Will the Platinum services have their own special "Platinum issue" tickets or the bog standard ones!?
Also. Does "MMC" stand for anything in particular?
MMC is Major Model Change
Is there any difference between a Transbus Trident and a Dennis Trident/2 or am I just being to pedantic ?!
Quote from: BusFan on May 16, 2015, 09:46:19 PM
Is there any difference between a Transbus Trident and a Dennis Trident/2 or am I just being to pedantic ?!
In the TWM models there are some differences, the dashboard is much more different, the cab door is slightly different, there is a metal pole tree guard, there is a CCTV screen and the on later orders there are different axles, but all those may have been in favour of TWM.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 16, 2015, 10:00:01 PM
In the TWM models there are some differences, the dashboard is much more different, the cab door is slightly different, there is a metal pole tree guard, there is a CCTV screen and the on later orders there are different axles, but all those may have been in favour of TWM.
Different Axles? Please explain ???
All the same but the name. The company was known as Transbus from 2001 to 2004 when Dennis and Plaxton were part of the same group (They are part ofvthe same company once again)
There are slight differences between the earlier examples (Until 4404) and later batches. There is an extra window on the older batches behind the staircase. As explained, The dashboard was redesigned and the cab doors are different. 4535-4634 were fitted with 'Crystal Clear' CCTV which of course hasn't worked for a long time. Also Tridents upto 4404 have a Diamond pattern design on the handrails whereas the later batch have grab poles with a smooth finish.
Also, The later batch (4425 onwards) appeared to have two less seats (73 compared to 75)
Quote from: Nathan on May 16, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Different Axles? Please explain ???
The back axles are a little different if you look closely.
2146 on the 99 this morning. There are four defective E200's at BC.
Just crunching the numbers for BC depot. Here is the findings:
There will be a total of 234 buses if BC doesn't lose any more Tridents with the arrival of the MMC's.
There is currently 221 buses in BC to date. (+5 MMC -2 Trident)
BC smallest buses make up the smallest portion of fleet, at only 4%, having 9 vehicles.
"Woah, watch that tail end swing"s gives with a strong 33 batch attain 14% of strength.
The tired 41's and 43 hundred Tridents take up a massive 24% of the fleet at 57 vehicles in total.
Close behind is the "like shit off a shovel" 44 hundreds, 45 find a home at Central, giving it a respectable 19%.
My favourite 46 hundreds make up 11%, with 25 vehicles.
White and Green never to be seen (on the Bristol Road) make up 8% at 18 vehicles.
The newish E400's make up a proportion of the fleet, at 12% and 29 buses.
"Watch what you say, were always watching (and listening)"s newest arrival when fully delivered makes up 8% of the fleet, with an eventual total of 18 buses.
We can only accept the fact that BC will most likely lose a further 16 early Tridents with the arrival of the "spy who sacked me" buses.
All in all a somewhat interesting development of events are certainly materialising.
To PE and WN presumably to end Spectra operation and further cull the infirm Mercs
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 17, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
To PE and WN presumably to end Spectra operation and further cull the infirm Mercs
I can imagine the remaining Spectra's and B6's can be seen off by Tridents. B6 routes such as the 11, 32/33 see regular Trident operation so wouldn't be a problem for Tridents to take their place on these routes.
Quote from: AndrewLee on May 17, 2015, 10:25:41 AM
2146 on the 99 this morning. There are four defective E200's at BC.
Those E200s really are a complete bag of shite.
Anything further on the rumours that the 99 could move to PE?
Quote from: Mike K on May 17, 2015, 04:34:40 PM
Those E200s really are a complete bag of shite.
Anything further on the rumours that the 99 could move to PE?
Word on the street is August...
Quote from: AndrewLee on May 17, 2015, 05:05:12 PM
Word on the street is August...
Whats that in place for or is can pn cope with 9 more buses
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 17, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
Whats that in place for or is can pn cope with 9 more buses
I guess the Pensnett "reserve" fleet could be scrapped/moved, depends how many reserve fleet buses are currently parked up there
If the 99 moves are BC going to be getting another service
I suppose sending Tridents to Wolverhampton to see off the Spectras also standardises the fleet over there.
4911 & 4912 now de-branded from the 957 these were the final two to be de-branded
All of 6701-6708 now delivered with 6709/10 due this week as well, From Monday onwards it is possible the 900 will be fully platinum
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
All of 6701-6708 now delivered with 6709/10 due this week as well, From Monday onwards it is possible the 900 will be fully platinum
Will they enter service on bank holiday Monday? Haven't had a good trip on the 900 for a while now, that's my bank holiday sorted then! ;)
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Will they enter service on bank holiday Monday? Haven't had a good trip on the 900 for a while now, that's my bank holiday sorted then! ;)
I hope they do as well ! I wouldn't mind a trip on the 900 and what a first trip it'll be on a Platinum bus !
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Will they enter service on bank holiday Monday? Haven't had a good trip on the 900 for a while now, that's my bank holiday sorted then! ;)
Just prepare yourself that the 900 may be very busy on Bank Holiday Monday if the train strike is going ahead that afternoon!
Quote from: D10 on May 20, 2015, 09:00:41 PM
Just prepare yourself that the 900 may be very busy on Bank Holiday Monday if the train strike is going ahead that afternoon!
It'll be worth it. Haha! As mentioned before, these buses will put a good impression on Birmingham's Public Transport industry - as well as setting a good image to foreign tourists alike. Personally, I'd like to get on an early journey. Perhaps around 8/9am... I doubt it'll be hectic then. Hell, I'd spend the whole day on these buses! ;) I have a feeling that the 900 will get something similar on board, like the 9's did, where people were giving out leaflets, with route information, vehicle details, vouchers, etc - though, it may not. :-\
Is a trident 4218 on 22 to kitwell noteworthy?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 22, 2015, 09:32:27 AM
Is a trident 4218 on 22 to kitwell noteworthy?
I guess so. Anything that isn't the normal B5HL allocation, with the odd Enviro (22s) - speaking of which 4948 is on there too.
Some WB buses on loan to BC for the cricket specials
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2015, 08:48:27 PM
Will they enter service on bank holiday Monday? Haven't had a good trip on the 900 for a while now, that's my bank holiday sorted then! ;)
how many are need for the 900 service includes the short trips
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 22, 2015, 09:10:11 PM
Sorry! @Tony thought it was.
PVR is peak vehicle requirement, not the number of running boards, which may not all be out at the same time
Quote from: Matt on May 23, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
2132 and 2145 on the x64 thought this was a double deck route?
According to the spreadsheet, B7RLE's are also allocated to the route time to time. Seen a few myself.
Quote from: Matt on May 23, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
2132 and 2145 on the x64 thought this was a double deck route?
@Matt Evening and Sunday journeys interwork with the 98, so would be B7RLE's
2126,2135 and 2138 are on the 957
4949 is on here though.
I finally visited BC today and I always choose Sunday and it was a good day. I've always wanted to see the biggest garage and I caught a glimpse of a Platinum parked at the back and seeing the Bus Yard was also great.
Wouldn't mind a supervised walk around if anyone is offering to fix me up ! :P
Quote from: BusFan on May 24, 2015, 04:47:11 PM
I finally visited BC today and I always choose Sunday and it was a good day. I've always wanted to see the biggest garage and I caught a glimpse of a Platinum parked at the back and seeing the Bus Yard was also great.
Wouldn't mind a supervised walk around if anyone is offering to fix me up ! :P
If you go in and ask the engineers, they may let you. Back in 2008-2010 times, most garages let me in. I went to AG, BC, BY, LH, PB, PE & WA.
All of them let me roam around freely, except LH in which an engineer supervised us. Now though, the Health & Safety side of it has greatly increased (I've seen Dean Finch's video a million times now. Those who work for NXWM will probably know what I'm on about).
Quote from: MW on May 24, 2015, 11:28:18 PM
If you go in and ask the engineers, they may let you. Back in 2008-2010 times, most garages let me in. I went to AG, BC, BY, LH, PB, PE & WA.
All of them let me roam around freely, except LH in which an engineer supervised us. Now though, the Health & Safety side of it has greatly increased (I've seen Dean Finch's video a million times now. Those who work for NXWM will probably know what I'm on about).
Having worked in a petrol station, I'm well aware of H&S ! I wouldn't even know how to go in, let alone ask someone. I just stick to the pavement and try not to look suspicious. If I see an engineer, I'll attempt to ask someone.
I personally don't think any would let me in.
Quote from: BusFan on May 24, 2015, 11:48:18 PM
Having worked in a petrol station, I'm well aware of H&S ! I wouldn't even know how to go in, let alone ask someone. I just stick to the pavement and try not to look suspicious. If I see an engineer, I'll attempt to ask someone.
I personally don't think any would let me in.
Why not just do what
@MW AMD
@John did and go work for NX. I'm sure there are more members on here who were enthusiasts and then was drivers
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 25, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
Why not just do what @MW AMD @John did and go work for NX. I'm sure there are more members on here who were enthusiasts and then was drivers
If it only were that easy ! I wouldn't mind donating time and IT experience, I'm not yet learned on the driving aspect sadly.
Quote from: BusFan on May 25, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
If it only were that easy ! I wouldn't mind donating time and IT experience, I'm not yet learned on the driving aspect sadly.
You could do it for a year and then knock it on the head.
I'm going in with the intention of doing it for a year, if I really like it I may carry on.
It really is that simple.
Platinums on 900 25/05/15
6705 YX15OYZ
6702 YX15OYU
6704 YX15OYW
6707 YX15OYB
6701 YX15OXT
4944 SL14LRU on too (replaced 6708)
Quote from: MW on May 25, 2015, 12:29:41 AM
You could do it for a year and then knock it on the head.
I'm going in with the intention of doing it for a year, if I really like it I may carry on.
It really is that simple.
Do it two years, saves on your money if you leave, don't want NX stealing out your wallet, so to speak.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 25, 2015, 07:38:07 AM
Platinums on 900 25/05/15
6705 YX15OYZ
6702 YX15OYU
6704 YX15OYW
6707 YX15OYB
6701 YX15OXT
4944 SL14LRU on too (replaced 6708)
What was wrong with 6708?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 25, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
Do it two years, saves on your money if you leave, don't want NX stealing out your wallet, so to speak.
What was wrong with 6708?
not sure someone on forum spotted it empty to depot
and 4944 replaced it
It was being driven by a driver turning left from Deritend High Street into Coventry Road at 07:30ish
So what buses will be leaving BC this week
@Tony and will we see the sluggish 4895 - 4913 on Pershore Rd routes?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 25, 2015, 12:53:49 PM
So what buses will be leaving BC this week @Tony and will we see the sluggish 4895 - 4913 on Pershore Rd routes?
You'll have to wait & see what leaves BC, I'm not allowed to post future moves, but I suspect the remaining boards on the 24 & 60 will be priority to get E400s
There are some transfer due this week I haven't seen anyone guess at/forecast!
Although 10 buses should enter service 10 won't leave as extras are required for the ODI Cricket on 9th June
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2015, 12:58:18 PM
You'll have to wait & see what leaves BC, I'm not allowed to post future moves, but I suspect the remaining boards on the 24 & 60 will be priority to get E400s
There are some transfer due this week I haven't seen anyone guess at/forecast!
Although 10 buses should enter service 10 won't leave as extras are required for the ODI Cricket on 9th June
Ok Tony, will wait and see. Will sure be a summer of transfers, be interesting to see what happens...
I reckon 4315 - 18 may go to PL. Shame if they do, the 41s and 43s are our best buses in my opinion.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 25, 2015, 01:52:57 PM
Ok Tony, will wait and see. Will sure be a summer of transfers, be interesting to see what happens...
I reckon 4315 - 18 may go to PL. Shame if they do, the 41s and 43s are our best buses in my opinion.
There is a right chain going to happen
4 buses BC-garage 1
3 buses garage 1 - garage 2 (+1 withdrawn)
3 different buses garage 2 - garage 3
1 bus garage 3 - garage 4 (+2 withdrawn)
1 bus at garage 4 withdrawn
A lot of work goes into the cascade plan, so 4 new buses at BC replace 1 at garage 1, 2 at garage 3 & 1 at garage 4.
Now if anyone could work out which garages they do deserve a prize
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
There is a right chain going to happen
4 buses BC-garage 1
3 buses garage 1 - garage 2 (+1 withdrawn)
3 different buses garage 2 - garage 3
1 bus garage 3 - garage 4 (+2 withdrawn)
1 bus at garage 4 withdrawn
A lot of work goes into the cascade plan, so 4 new buses at BC replace 1 at garage 1, 2 at garage 3 & 1 at garage 4.
Now if anyone could work out which garages they do deserve a prize
Is garage 1 CV? Is garage 2 WA? Is garage 3 WN? Is garage 4 PN? This is just a guess and it might not be said until Tony is allowed to say it.
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
There is a right chain going to happen
4 buses BC-garage 1
3 buses garage 1 - garage 2 (+1 withdrawn)
3 different buses garage 2 - garage 3
1 bus garage 3 - garage 4 (+2 withdrawn)
1 bus at garage 4 withdrawn
A lot of work goes into the cascade plan, so 4 new buses at BC replace 1 at garage 1, 2 at garage 3 & 1 at garage 4.
Now if anyone could work out which garages they do deserve a prize
Well 4315 - 18 is 4 buses - could replace some Spectras, think I need an enigma code to work out the rest!
mmm, well i think garage 3 is PN and garage 4 is WN, but purely a guess!
4898 now on the 900.
6701's ticket machine appears to be broken. Its just a black screen.
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
4898 now on the 900.
6701's ticket machine appears to be broken. Its just a black screen.
First day in service and 6701/6708 already sent back to BC
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 25, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
First day in service and 6701/6708 already sent back to BC
do driver's even do pre-checks before departing
Of course they do! You can not tell sometimes in garage if the ticket machine is not working properly until you start in service then something goes wrong with it (Once I was on the 1st 65 of the day, and the machine started playing up not long after I started in service, I had the machine swapped though, not the bus). Other faults can develop during the day
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 25, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
First day in service and 6701/6708 already sent back to BC
do driver's even do pre-checks before departing
That's a bit unfair on your colleagues John. Relying on spotters for information
6708 never started service this morning, 4944 did the first trip on time, so any defect was found before departing, if that bus was actually allocated, could have been a test drive that was seen.
6701 went back to garage at the end of its running board as all 900 boards do around 15:00, so far 4898 & 6703 have come out on the evening boards
Still another 5 running boards to come out of garage
will the 900 be fully platinum on Tuesday or are they waiting for some more
Which bit of the 900 is more scenic? Birmingham- airport or airport- Coventry?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 25, 2015, 05:52:56 PM
Which bit of the 900 is more scenic? Birmingham- airport or airport- Coventry?
Airport - Coventry section
Quote from: Solo1 on May 25, 2015, 05:17:20 PM
will the 900 be fully platinum on Tuesday or are they waiting for some more
at the moment 6701-6710 are for 900 at BC
so I would imagine it will be fully platinum tomorrow
@Solo1
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 25, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
Well 4315 - 18 is 4 buses - could replace some Spectras, think I need an enigma code to work out the rest!
I suppose 'garage 1' could be Wolverhampton - but which buses are leaving here to go to 'garage 2' ?
Quote from: paulb1973 on May 25, 2015, 07:38:43 PM
I suppose 'garage 1' could be Wolverhampton - but which buses are leaving here to go to 'garage 2' ?
Or 4 Tridents to Pensnett, then3 E400s to Perry Barr and 1 Merc withdrawn.
Gets hazy after that without knowing.
(Cascades more interesting than the Platinums)
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
There is a right chain going to happen
4 buses BC-garage 1
3 buses garage 1 - garage 2 (+1 withdrawn)
3 different buses garage 2 - garage 3
1 bus garage 3 - garage 4 (+2 withdrawn)
1 bus at garage 4 withdrawn
A lot of work goes into the cascade plan, so 4 new buses at BC replace 1 at garage 1, 2 at garage 3 & 1 at garage 4.
Now if anyone could work out which garages they do deserve a prize
Garage 1 = Wolverhampton
Garage 2 = Walsall
Garage 3 = West Brom
Garage 4 = Acocks Green
(Just a guess, bet I'm miles off!)
Quote from: uniquicity on May 25, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Or 4 Tridents to Pensnett, then3 E400s to Perry Barr and 1 Merc withdrawn.
Gets hazy after that without knowing.
(Cascades more interesting than the Platinums)
One e400 4814 is on x96 all day board so that could move tonight
Quote from: Stu on May 25, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
Garage 1 = Wolverhampton
Garage 2 = Walsall
Garage 3 = West Brom
Garage 4 = Acocks Green
(Just a guess, bet I'm miles off!)
The 'garage 1' [Wolverhampton] withdrawal could be one from 586/598/4001/4004/4015. Not sure what the "+2 withdrawn" from garage 3 [West Brom] would be - two Merc O405N's presumably.
Tony has hinted that AG 4036/46 and WA 1453 could be going (well, 24th May, its last day has passed, so in-theory 1453 is already withdrawn) does that help?! It could be those garages you have mentioned but not necessarily in the right order.
Quote from: Stu on May 25, 2015, 08:17:58 PM
Garage 1 = Wolverhampton
Garage 2 = Walsall
Garage 3 = West Brom
Garage 4 = Acocks Green
(Just a guess, bet I'm miles off!)
Guess 1=PN,2=PB,3=WA,4=WB.
Quote from: pb2012 on May 25, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Guess 1=PN,2=PB,3=WA,4=WB.
I agree what would pb withdraw though?
right let me try
garage 1 WA
garage 2 WB
garage 3 WN
garage 4 PN
@Tony , is anybody close?
Somebody is close, nobody is correct, no further comment until vehicles actually move (none have gone so far)
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
There is a right chain going to happen
4 buses BC-garage 1
3 buses garage 1 - garage 2 (+1 withdrawn)
3 different buses garage 2 - garage 3
1 bus garage 3 - garage 4 (+2 withdrawn)
1 bus at garage 4 withdrawn
A lot of work goes into the cascade plan, so 4 new buses at BC replace 1 at garage 1, 2 at garage 3 & 1 at garage 4.
Now if anyone could work out which garages they do deserve a prize
4 Tridents BC to PE
3 E400s PE to PB
3 ALX B7 PB to WA
1 Trident WA to WN
That's my guess. Probably miles off too.
The 3 different buses from garage 2 to 3 - doesn't that mean 3 different types though?
Quote from: uniquicity on May 25, 2015, 09:29:44 PM
The 3 different buses from garage 2 to 3 - doesn't that mean 3 different types though?
Who knows. I read it as 3 buses in, 3 others out.
Quote from: uniquicity on May 25, 2015, 09:29:44 PM
The 3 different buses from garage 2 to 3 - doesn't that mean 3 different types though?
I read that to say that 3 buses are going to garage 2, but 3 different buses (could be all 1 type or 2/3 types) were then going to garage 3.
Quote from: Mike K on May 25, 2015, 09:25:33 PM
4 Tridents BC to PE
3 E400s PE to PB
3 ALX B7 PB to WA
1 Trident WA to WN
That's my guess. Probably miles off too.
Good guess there Mike, mine doesn't make any sense but yours does.
I take it NX enjoyed higher than normal loads today on the 900? :D
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 25, 2015, 09:58:40 PM
Good guess there Mike, mine doesn't make any sense but yours does.
To be honest it looks like I've hijacked Matt's effort, although not intentionally!
Quote from: Stu on May 25, 2015, 10:01:45 PM
I take it NX enjoyed higher than normal loads today on the 900? :D
6704 from Coventry, circa 1300 seemed a bit quite. Was just me and a middle aged woman on board. I think.
Quote from: Mike K on May 25, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
To be honest it looks like I've hijacked Matt's effort, although not intentionally!
I'd say the same to Matt too, but we will have to wait.
4898 on the 900E to Airport
4902 on the 900 into City
Both previously branded foe the service...
EDIT: 4944 appears to be on there, again.
As I ideally want to avoid those three today on the 900, (as want to go after the MMCs) what times are they are please? E.g, times leaving from Birmingham. Thanks
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 10:45:18 AM
As I ideally want to avoid those three today on the 900, (as want to go after the MMCs) what times are they are please? E.g, times leaving from Birmingham. Thanks
Not sure, sorry. But if it helps, i'm en route to Coventry, and have just got to Parkhill Drive. I only saw another going Birmingham bound, on the Small Heath Highway. Not sure if any others are out... I saw plenty of Euro V E400s today.
Quote from: clayderman on May 26, 2015, 11:15:16 AM
Not sure, sorry. But if it helps, i'm en route to Coventry, and have just got to Parkhill Drive. I only saw another going Birmingham bound, on the Small Heath Highway. Not sure if any others are out... I saw plenty of Euro V E400s today.
6703; 6704; 6705; 6706; 6707 all out today
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
6703; 6704; 6705; 6706; 6707 all out today
Thanks. I'm on 6707 right now, lol - and I just saw 6706 going Birmingham bound. :)
@Liberator9 4944 is the 11:05 900 to Coventry, not sure on the others though
The last 3 900/Es from town have been standard enviros so the next ones should all be Platinum. I am stuck with 4906...
Thanks for the advice everyone!
I just want to say, and I may be jumping to conclusions, but 6705 is my favourite one of the Platinum fleet, as of yet.
It's flawless! Next stop announcement not stuck, unlike others (6704, 6707)...
3 tridents on 24- 4165, 4169 and another and 4898 I thought was on the 24 but been reported on 900? Can
@Tony clarify which route it is on?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 26, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
3 tridents on 24- 4165, 4169 and another and 4898 I thought was on the 24 but been reported on 900? Can @Tony clarify which route it is on?
Tridents are usually on the 24. No need to mention them.
Yes i'm sure i also saw 4898 on the 900 earlier.
@nxwmbusfan1999 i know they are on there! I've been on the 900 today.....
Quote from: Nathan on May 26, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Tridents are usually on the 24. No need to mention them.
Yes i'm sure i also saw 4898 on the 900 earlier.
4944/4906 are on 900
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 26, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
3 tridents on 24- 4165, 4169 and another and 4898 I thought was on the 24 but been reported on 900? Can @Tony clarify which route it is on?
4898 is on the 900
Don't know what bus I saw on the 24 then
@clayderman Had a ride on 6705 this afternoon and love it - really good bus - smooth running and not rattling - announcements gave up though going out of Birmingham in Digbeth - although the screens were working fine.
Quote from: Matt on May 26, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
4944 has been sat at the Parkhill terminus for at least 10-15 minutes. I'm upstairs so no idea what the driver is doing but I'm guessing it has a problem.
15:35 - finally off again at least half hour late with the next one right behind.
Did you ask the driver why in the end?
Quote from: Matt on May 26, 2015, 04:58:54 PM
Nope, didn't want to hold him up (or sound like I was moaning!)
I meant as you was getting off or something..
Weird to sit their that long though.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 04:37:19 PM
@clayderman
Had a ride on 6705 this afternoon and love it - really good bus - smooth running and not rattling - announcements gave up though going out of Birmingham in Digbeth - although the screens were working fine.
@Liberator9 That's a shame. Though, on both my rides, it definitely was splendid. Had 6705 two days in a row now. I'm beginning to imagine that i'll see it a whole lot more... (Least Elusive? lol.) - Also, not to do with the thread, have you managed to catch an Omnicity? 4778 was on the 16 today, and 4697 was out on the usual 907...
@clayderman It definitely is a good bus - really enjoyed my first ride on it. Haha - you'll find it probably will follow you now - always got 1896 following me ;) You've got a good memory - afraid I haven't, but will have to make sure I do!
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
@clayderman
It definitely is a good bus - really enjoyed my first ride on it. Haha - you'll find it probably will follow you now - always got 1896 following me ;) You've got a good memory - afraid I haven't, but will have to make sure I do!
Going back for the THIRD time tomorrow! I mean, if 6705 does find me again, it's really not a bad thing, for sure. ;) As long as the Next-Stop Annpuncements work fine, then that's all i'm happy about.
The wifi is good. And though, I wasn't able to stream Spotify, it gave me a solid connection to the internet and apps like flickr, instagram or snapchat, etc...
@clayderman Would be good if you had it yet again! :) Good chance you will - Good to hear the Wi-Fi is working as well - useful feature to have fitted to them.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
@clayderman
Would be good if you had it yet again! :) Good chance you will - Good to hear the Wi-Fi is working as well - useful feature to have fitted to them.
I tested the wifi on my phone on board 6707 and I have to agree Very Useful :)
@Rob2832 Saw your videos of the Platinum E400MMCs by the way - really good!
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 09:54:32 PM
@Rob2832
Saw your videos of the Platinum E400MMCs by the way - really good!
@Liberator9 Thank You Mate Most Appreciated :) I have videos of 6701, 6704 & 6707 to upload which I'll do after the weekend. :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 26, 2015, 09:50:37 PM
I tested the wifi on my phone on board 6707 and I have to agree Very Useful :)
Especially for live updates to this site, lol. ;)
I was slightly bummed out when it was confirmed that no plug sockets or USB ports had been included, though it didn't really bother me much as I carry a portable charger with me... Something that'll come in very handy for everyone's travels. Looking at you,
@Matt Haha! :P
Quote from: Matt on May 27, 2015, 01:17:34 AM
Hint taken! I've been meaning to get one of those things for ages. Normally I just carry a charged spare battery and swap the two when the first dies.
I carry a phone with an extended battery attached to it, makes it hefty but boy does it last !
Great for when a bus passes you by or you decide to visit a garage impromptu !
Quote from: Matt on May 27, 2015, 01:17:34 AM
Hint taken! I've been meaning to get one of those things for ages. Normally I just carry a charged spare battery and swap the two when the first dies.
That'll work too, I guess. Not for an iPhone though. ::) lol
6703 drove by a engineer
passed adderley street 0945
6703 on 1005 Birmingham-Coventry
6702 & 6708 both in passenger use for the first time today
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
6702 & 6708 both in passenger use for the first time today
I'm onboard 6708 now
It's doing 0955 900E to Airport
@Tony 6709/6703 are out too
4944/4941/490x on 900 too
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
6702 & 6708 both in passenger use for the first time today
I'm on 6702 right now actually. It's very nice, and no, i'm not quite bored with thr 900 yet, seeing as this is my third time, since Platinums came out in service.
The announcements were stuck on "Deritend, Adderley Street" - that was, until we got there... Seems to be working fine now. :)
4895,4905- on 22/23
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
6702 & 6708 both in passenger use for the first time today
@Tony 6702 was out on Monday in passenger use :)
6702 6.15 from city 900 service
Quote from: Solo1 on May 28, 2015, 07:30:36 AM
6702 6.15 from city 900 service
So the 900 is platinum now, doesn't warrant two of exactly the same reports in different threads
Plenty of Platinums disguised in red and white today!
4945 SL14LRV with hazards parked at sunnymead road/Coventry road (my local stop(
his left door is cracked (all glass wrecked on one door)
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 31, 2015, 09:37:16 PM
Hi guys im New to this .6708 seen this by aldi in Yardley on the main A45 road hazard was on with what look like a scratc under the doors does know if it been out since Thursday. That when it happens many regards jack
6708 was not on the 900 today 6701/6703/6704 and two UID non Platinum E400's were on the 900 today (from what I witnessed) :)
@Rob2832 4367 is out on 70 (Birmingham-Solihull)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 01, 2015, 07:56:06 PM
@Tony
Borrowed, yes?
Yes, still out, currently outside the square peg
6706 is named after Birmingham Yardley MP Jess Phillips:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/mp-takes-her-seaton-her-very-own-bus-
How many of the new buses are out on 957 today
Just seen 6711 depart solihull station on the 957.
Quote from: WMT3000 on June 04, 2015, 07:38:25 AM
Just seen 6711 depart solihull station on the 957.
6711 & 6712 both out
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2015, 08:13:14 AM
6711 & 6712 both out
6711 has failed
Parked at Gilbertstone Avenue/Coventry Road Stop 1105
Picture after getting off 900 with 6705
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/18263233850/in/dateposted/
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 04, 2015, 11:10:44 AM
6711 has failed
Parked at Gilbertstone Avenue/Coventry Road Stop 1105
Picture after getting off 900 with 6705
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/18263233850/in/dateposted/
I saw 6711 parked outside the Pavilions with Not in service showing around 8:30 an inspector was on talking to the driver I think to send him back to garage he said to the driver to be careful. But couldn't get a picture properly as I did not have a clear shot & when I did it drove off plus the sun made it awkward too
Did the length of the 957 this morning, only saw one MMC 6712.
Quote from: filbus1 on June 05, 2015, 12:55:35 PM
Did the length of the 957 this morning, only saw one MMC 6712.
BC are still taking delivery of Platinum MMCs so expect to still see the standard Enviro 400s
Unusual to see 4901 on the 70 this lunchtime.
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2015, 07:58:29 PM
Hi John, These can come off the noteworthy threads from today. The intention is to brand the two above for the Pershore Road soon!
Would be nice to see the branding on these buses... I have a feeling the branding would go along the lines of the Soho Road branding, i.e
Birmingham City centre | Edgbaston | Pershore Road ~ or something similar... Turquoise branding, anyone?
Quote from: clayderman on June 05, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Would be nice to see the branding on these buses... I have a feeling the branding would go along the lines of the Soho Road branding, i.e
Birmingham City centre | Edgbaston | Pershore Road ~ or something similar... Turquoise branding, anyone?
I don't know why, but I'm thinking pinkish ?!
Quote from: clayderman on June 05, 2015, 08:31:13 PM
Would be nice to see the branding on these buses... I have a feeling the branding would go along the lines of the Soho Road branding, i.e
Birmingham City centre | Edgbaston | Pershore Road ~ or something similar... Turquoise branding, anyone?
It would be great if the branding is to be turquoise. It would carry on the brand history of the Pershore Road.
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 05, 2015, 09:43:47 PM
It would be great if the branding is to be turquoise. It would carry on the brand history of the Pershore Road.
My point exactly. ;) Would be nice to keep tradition...
Any one know the times are for 6710 on 900 & 6711 on 957 from city
Center thanks
Now this is unexpected...4168 on the 957. Just approaching Moor Street 1810!! All night board too!
Quote from: Stu on June 03, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
6706 is named after Birmingham Yardley MP Jess Phillips:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/mp-takes-her-seaton-her-very-own-bus-
Am I alone at being annoyed that a bus is named after an MP with no track record?
Quote from: Bryan on June 06, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
Am I alone at being annoyed that a bus is named after an MP with no track record?
Terrible, i thought that buses were to be named by drivers at the buses local garage.
So are NE entering politics, surely if a bus has been named after a politician from one party, then other buses should be named after politicians from all other parties.
Quote from: Bryan on June 06, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
Am I alone at being annoyed that a bus is named after an MP with no track record?
Do you know who all the other couple of hundred vehicles are named after? Yes the majority are staff's relations, but why pick on one woman. Some others have been nominated by outsiders for various reasons. A couple have been won in competitions.
Why be annoyed over something so trivial?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2013, 09:35:21 PM
Please NO, no more Omnilinks, hate them, would much prefer the B7RLE, a much better bus.
Again - not Euro 6. If Centro do actually get Birmingham SQPS to Euro 6 by 2020 buying new vehicles anything other than Euro 6 is a bit silly
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2015, 06:44:33 PM
Again - not Euro 6. If Centro do actually get Birmingham SQPS to Euro 6 by 2020 buying new vehicles anything other than Euro 6 is a bit silly
@Tony why have you suddenly replied to a post that is nearly two years old?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 06, 2015, 06:46:17 PM
@Tony why have you suddenly replied to a post that is nearly two years old?
Not sure why that suddenly appeared in my current page, but it wasn't out of place with the comments about Scanias which was current!
Not sure why some on here have such hate for the Omnilinks - find them some of the best single deckers in the NX fleet - chassis is excellent on them; are decent to drive and aside from the lack of legroom/dark interior, nothing wrong with them. Better quality than the E200s.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
Not sure why some on here have such hate for the Omnilinks - find them some of the best single deckers in the NX fleet - chassis is excellent on them; are decent to drive and aside from the lack of legroom/dark interior, nothing wrong with them. Better quality than the E200s.
I also think there quite smart" the only down side to them is the Walsall ones are sluggish and the doors take forever to close, but give me one of them over an e200 any day
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 06, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
I also think there quite smart" the only down side to them is the Walsall ones are sluggish and the doors take forever to close, but give me one of them over an e200 any day
While you've still got the opportunity, I'd recommend trying to get one on a 37 that's running late, or on the 1 on Sundays, then you might get to see how they can shift (if the driver wants it to!) ;)
:) Certainly agree there
@Stu The 6 is good as well - the YW Euro 5 BX59/10 batch can really move. Like on the 37, if one is running late, then it's a great ride!
Sorry but IMO the B7Rles are 1000% better than the Scanias, if they were as good as everyone says, why didn't NE continue to order them instead of ordering the B7Rles.
I wish that PE were getting the early WA Eclipses, beautiful buses with plenty of room inside!
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
Not sure why some on here have such hate for the Omnilinks - find them some of the best single deckers in the NX fleet - chassis is excellent on them; are decent to drive and aside from the lack of legroom/dark interior, nothing wrong with them. Better quality than the E200s.
I prefer B7RLEs, to be honest. But again, with Omnilinks, I think they're a lovely bunch. They have an extremely 'aesthetically pleasing' exterior, which provides a welcoming look/feel to it, all the while keeping a broad, bulky body - something which looks like it's sturdy, and not so 'plastic' like! Also, the interior seems very spacious, something the *later* B7RLE lacks, in my opinion. Though, this is clearly debatable... :P
I loved it when the Omnilinks were allocated to the 16. Great buses. However, when packed (with passengers, obviously) - as with any other bus, I find it harder to move around, due to the space between the first set of "mother and child" seats, and the door...
The Omnilinks seems to be very versatile with liveries, much like the Citaro/B7RLE - I cannot wait to see how they appear in crimson. With a majority from circa 2007/8 - 2010, surely they have enough 'juice' left in them to see daylight in the new livery...
Saw something on this forum that NX had fallen out with Scania over something. If you noticed they went to the point of removing the Grey Scania badges on the earlier Scanias by 2010. Reliability wise they're good and bodywork is good looking outside - if they had the better interior design the post 2011 examples do (look at Johnsons' versions), they'd be perfect. The B7RLEs are reliable but have seen a post by a driver that the steering is not always that great, feeling every little imperfection in the road, shaking the steering column.
@clayderman I love the exterior design as well - they'd look great in Crimson :) - the YW ones should and the ex AG ones.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
Not sure why some on here have such hate for the Omnilinks - find them some of the best single deckers in the NX fleet - chassis is excellent on them; are decent to drive and aside from the lack of legroom/dark interior, nothing wrong with them. Better quality than the E200s.
Fast, yes. Good at what they do, yes.
But personal opinion, I find it very hard to fit on them, legroom lacking on near enough every seat. Also, from my point of view they just
seem oversized (I know they're the same size as a standard single decker, just something about them) and clumsy, in the way they bounce like a fat kid when you go over a speedbump sometimes
Quote from: Kevin on June 06, 2015, 08:07:13 PM
Fast, yes. Good at what they do, yes.
But personal opinion, I find it very hard to fit on them, legroom lacking on near enough every seat. Also, from my point of view they just seem oversized (I know they're the same size as a standard single decker, just something about them) and clumsy, in the way they bounce like a fat kid when you go over a speedbump sometimes
Seconded. No legroom, suspension and design as repulsive as a fat kid, dark, dingy, uncomfortable and used mostly on routes where your not quite sure what your treading/sitting on. Many of the Eclipse 2 B7RLE's are bodge jobs and they make less noise but I'd still rather the latter. I don't always moan.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 06, 2015, 09:33:14 PM
Seconded. No legroom, suspension and design as repulsive as a fat kid, dark, dingy, uncomfortable and used mostly on routes where your not quite sure what your treading/sitting on. Many of the Eclipse 2 B7RLE's are bodge jobs and they make less noise but I'd still rather the latter. I don't always moan.
The main reason I like the Scania's is because it is bouncy. The newer B7RLE's aren't really that pleasing from the inside and it isn't really comfortable too. I haven't been on a BX56 B7RLE since they were at AG.
The Scania's is better than most bus types; beats ADLs certainly. Find that the later 59/10 reg versions have better suspension than the previous 57-09 ones - although that 59/10 batch have a newer gearbox/engine type as well - notice the difference in the gearbox/engine sound. The Johnsons Scanias are the best for comfort - legroom is much better on them and brighter interior.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
The Scania's is better than most bus types; beats ADLs certainly. Find that the later 59/10 reg versions have better suspension than the previous 57-09 ones - although that 59/10 batch have a newer gearbox/engine type as well - notice the difference in the gearbox/engine sound. The Johnsons Scanias are the best for comfort - legroom is much better on them and brighter interior.
You mean those Scanias that when less than a year old had ceilings falling in on Passengers, Have had to back to Scania to have rot removed, and even then when 1847 arrives at Walsall they find more rot and send it straight to Scania for more repairs!
Not entirely sure why Johnsons have the same number of seats in the same bodyshell but have more legroom.
Well never had ceilings fall on me and I use them 5 days a week - Perhaps I've just been lucky! I admit it wouldn't surprise me it happens as the interior fittings are not of the highest quality in comparison to Mercedes for example. However ceiling panels used to fall off Wright Liberators and Crusaders numerous times and the ones behind the drivers used to be hanging off regularly. Also on an MMC (6708) the other day the panel upstairs behind the front row passenger seats was unhinged and swinging open occasionally - plus another had one electrical cover panel already lose a few weeks into service.
I was not aware of rot issues and that doesn't sound good I must admit. I think in the past you mentioned about the bodywork needing improvements - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.3750 - is the rot in the bodywork or on the chassis?
Johnsons Scanias have thinner seats fitted and a different layout due to the relocation of the emergency exit further forward to fit in with the new requirements.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 10:46:01 PM
Well never had ceilings fall on me and I use them 5 days a week - Perhaps I've just been lucky! I admit it wouldn't surprise me it happens as the interior fittings are not of the highest quality in comparison to Mercedes for example. However ceiling panels used to fall off Wright Liberators and Crusaders numerous times and the ones behind the drivers used to be hanging off regularly. Also on an MMC (6708) the other day the panel upstairs behind the front row passenger seats was unhinged and swinging open occasionally - plus another had one electrical cover panel already lose a few weeks into service.
I was not aware of rot issues and that doesn't sound good I must admit. I think in the past you mentioned about the bodywork needing improvements - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.3750 - is the rot in the bodywork or on the chassis?
Johnsons Scanias have thinner seats fitted and a different layout due to the relocation of the emergency exit further forward to fit in with the new requirements.
No I don't mean ceiling flaps swinging open like on Liberators when they are not locked properly. I mean complete ceilings falling in like happened on one of Coventry's
@Tony Fairly bad to have that happen then - seem to remember there was some incident with hot water falling from the ceiling on a AG Scania a few years back actually. Is the rot that stuff which causes the window linings to bubble up over time - see on a fair number that the sealant is lumpy, almost like rust/rot underneath them, which then has to be replaced.
What single decker do you prefer then?
@Tony
These scanias sound like bus I used to love thrashing , rot, parts falling off, cramped interior space due to central isle being to narrow, I think we have the spiritual successor to the mighty leyland Lynx, only mighty cause of the beast of a cummins engine and zf box.
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2015, 08:13:58 AM
No I don't mean ceiling flaps swinging open like on Liberators when they are not locked properly. I mean complete ceilings falling in like happened on one of Coventry's
Which one? Any news stories on it?
@2900 have you been type trained again on the scanias
@2900Certainly can be thrashed - although better quality than Lynxes. Certainly haven't had ceilings come down on my many trips on them :)
4474 does what can only be described as a whining noise when it accelerates. Awfully annoying !
Jack, never been type trained on scanias but have driven them in service on the 88 service back 2009/2010 it was an emgergency at the time something had happened in brum which held up buses that evening, so the inspector at oldbury took buses off the 404E which were terminating at west brom and gave them to the late nite drivers who were standing around with no buses to drive. A running card was brought to me later.
Quote from: Kevin on June 06, 2015, 08:07:13 PM
Fast, yes. Good at what they do, yes.
But personal opinion, I find it very hard to fit on them, legroom lacking on near enough every seat. Also, from my point of view they just seem oversized (I know they're the same size as a standard single decker, just something about them) and clumsy, in the way they bounce like a fat kid when you go over a speedbump sometimes
Yeah I agree, they do seem oversized just like a fat kid. Massive amount of headroom at the front and whittles down to nothing at the rear seats, I know the b7rle has the same set up, as does alot of single deckers, but on the scanias it just seems more pronounced.
Quote from: Kevin on June 11, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
4949 - BC 45 - 18:45 High Street (although I imagine this is going to become normal?)
UID E400 - BC 61 - 18:45 pulling onto Albert Street
@Kevin - Tony did say that the 900/957 buses were to be allocated and branded on the Pershore Road... And I believe the E400 on the 61 was 4903?
Quote from: clayderman on June 11, 2015, 10:51:45 PM
@Kevin - Tony did say that the 900/957 buses were to be allocated and branded on the Pershore Road... And I believe the E400 on the 61 was 4903?
The 61 was too far ahead of me to ID so yeah I'll believe you.
And i know, ergo "I imagine this is going to become normal "
Quote from: clayderman on June 11, 2015, 10:51:45 PM
@Kevin - Tony did say that the 900/957 buses were to be allocated and branded on the Pershore Road... And I believe the E400 on the 61 was 4903?
It was 4904.
Quote from: Matt on June 12, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
Platinum MMC on the 829 so guessing it did a run on the 9 too !
I was thinking that, when posting in the NW thread, but then realised... Doesn't anything on the 829 go onto the Harbornes later that day? I mean, I have VERY low exprectations, lol.
Quote from: Matt on June 12, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
Platinum MMC on the 829 so guessing it did a run on the 9 too !
As I put in NW thread the mmc is 6708
2123 on BC99
6712 (957) Is On Display Today At
Mell Square (Solihull Town Centre)
Wasn't sure where to put it but nearly ran over a group of kids who had just shattered a window on one of the newly refurbished 14's branded Trident's went driving through Lea Hall earlier. All i know the bus was a 54 plate. :o
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 13, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Wasn't sure where to put it but nearly ran over a group of kids who had just shattered a window on one of the newly refurbished 14's branded Trident's went driving through Lea Hall earlier. All i know the bus was a 54 plate. :o
It's a shame you missed them - better luck next time.
Quote from: Mike K on June 13, 2015, 08:50:08 PM
It's a shame you missed them - better luck next time.
Seconded...they should have been shot on sight in my opinion
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 13, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
Seconded...they should have been shot on sight in my opinion
Include my resentment towards them as well ! A majestic vehicle serving the public and these vandals have nothing better to do and vandalize them. Jail the ******* !
4896, 4911 and possibly one other E400 on 22/23 today. Almost always 100% Hybrid operated on a Sunday.
Just passed 4907 outside the Royal Mail, Newtown tending to broken down Walsall bus 4768. Engineer had brought. 4907
Quote from: John on June 15, 2015, 02:11:44 PM
Just passed 4907 outside the Royal Mail, Newtown tending to broken down Walsall bus 4768. Engineer had brought. 4907
Must've been on there for a short while. Caught it from school on the 24 at 1530 (approx)
Nine Enviro 400s on the Pershore Road this morning
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
Nine Enviro 400s on the Pershore Road this morning
Tony, is the plan for the Enviros to be cascaded onto the Bristol Rd too as there are always a few on there over the last few weeks.
808 AND 2127 on the 24 today. Does anybody know if 2127 will stay out all day?
@nxwmbusfan1999 Enviro400s on the 45/7 are not unusual anymore
2127 on the 24
Quote from: clayderman on June 23, 2015, 08:35:23 AM
808 AND 2127 on the 24 today. Does anybody know if 2127 will stay out all day?
It was about an hour ago. I was in convoy with it (was driving 4519).
Quote from: MW on June 23, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
It was about an hour ago. I was in convoy with it (was driving 4519).
Were you driving not in service? Or were you in convoy along the minute section of Lordswood Road between Harborne baths and Court Oak Road?
Quote from: MW on June 23, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
It was about an hour ago. I was in convoy with it (was driving 4519).
@MW Are you on about 2127? Anyway, I know 808 stayed out. I had the *pleasure* of riding it to and from school, well, from school to the terminus...
Also, despite not being noteworthy, 4904 is on the 45/7, as was 4948 - which isn't in service now, I believe - I did see it on the 47, citybound, before changing to NIS.
Can we stop reporting every E400 on the Pershore Road now please, there are up to 10 of them on there each day now
808 on the 24, that makes it two days in a row... It may get to Five Ways, going citybound at 0830.
Also, had forgotten that 4368(?) - the 'trojan' bus is also on the 24. It should've left Colmore Row at 0815...
Why do they call it the trojan bus ?
6702 was on 1048 from airport-Birmingham (direct)
Not calling at any stops for some reason
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 24, 2015, 11:06:42 AM
6702 was on 1048 from airport-Birmingham (direct)
Not calling at any stops for some reason
Chaos on the Coventry Road due to emergency Severn Trent Roadworks
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
Chaos on the Coventry Road due to emergency Severn Trent Roadworks
Are all 900's affected
One should have been due now by cargo terminal
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 24, 2015, 11:20:10 AM
Are all 900's affected
One should have been due now by cargo terminal
All except the ones with wings, that can fly over the top
6718 just arrived
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on June 24, 2015, 10:53:16 AM
Why do they call it the trojan bus ?
That's what the media seems to call it. See here:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/west-midlands-police-first-uk-6274732
Although in reality it's not a trojan bus similar to how the Greeks who gave the Trojan Horse to the Trojans, so technically, it wasn't a Trojan Horse at all, it was a Greek Horse. Hence the tag timeo Danaos et dona ferentes which you will recall, is usually and somewhat inaccurately translated as Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. The point is that just as the Trojan Horse was in fact Greek, what you describe as a Greek tag is in fact Latin. It's obvious, really: the Greeks would never suggest bewaring of themselves, if one could use such a participle, 'bewaring', that is. And it's clearly Latin, not because timeo ends in -o, because the Greek first person also ends in -o. Though actually, there is a Greek word τιμαω, meaning 'I honour'. But the -os ending is a nominative singular termination of the second declension in Greek, and an accusative plural in Latin, of course. Though actually 'Danaos' is not only the Greek for Greek, it's also the Latin for Greek, it's very interesting really...
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 24, 2015, 06:18:51 PM
Although in reality it's not a trojan bus similar to how the Greeks who gave the Trojan Horse to the Trojans, so technically, it wasn't a Trojan Horse at all, it was a Greek Horse. Hence the tag timeo Danaos et dona ferentes which you will recall, is usually and somewhat inaccurately translated as Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. The point is that just as the Trojan Horse was in fact Greek, what you describe as a Greek tag is in fact Latin. It's obvious, really: the Greeks would never suggest bewaring of themselves, if one could use such a participle, 'bewaring', that is. And it's clearly Latin, not because timeo ends in -o, because the Greek first person also ends in -o. Though actually, there is a Greek word τιμαω, meaning 'I honour'. But the -os ending is a nominative singular termination of the second declension in Greek, and an accusative plural in Latin, of course. Though actually 'Danaos' is not only the Greek for Greek, it's also the Latin for Greek, it's very interesting really...
Certainly a cut above the usual postings..........a pleasure to find something informative and (I hope) spelled correctly.full marks!!!
Now I've got a spare 5 minutes I thought I'd update my BC fleet list, should be correct as of today, 26/06/2015.
9 Enviro200's unfortunately; 801-809
33 Volvo B7RLE's; 2119, and 2121-2152
52 early Tridents; 4143-4189, 4218, 4318, 4366, 4367 and 4368
40 Transbus 44xx's consisting of; 4427, 4431-4449, 4455-4474
25 Transbus 46xx's, hopefully they'll keep them for a while longer; 4610-4634
29 Enviro400 Mk2's; 4895-4913, and 4940-4949
18 Milk floats, 5501-5518
18 Platinum's, 6701-6718
224 total buses at Birmingham Central at the present moment in time.
Confirm, please
@Tony
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 26, 2015, 05:26:49 PM
Now I've got a spare 5 minutes I thought I'd update my BC fleet list, should be correct as of today, 26/06/2015.
9 Enviro200's unfortunately; 801-809
33 Volvo B7RLE's; 2119, and 2121-2152
52 early Tridents; 4143-4189, 4218, 4318, 4366, 4367 and 4368
40 Transbus 44xx's consisting of; 4427, 4431-4449, 4455-4474
25 Transbus 46xx's, hopefully they'll keep them for a while longer; 4610-4634
29 Enviro400 Mk2's; 4895-4913, and 4940-4949
18 Milk floats, 5501-5518
18 Platinum's, 6701-6718
224 total buses at Birmingham Central at the present moment in time.
Confirm, please @Tony
801/9 might end up at pensnett if rumours are true in October
More 44xx might end up at pensnett to
Milk flats pmsl
4318 is at WN
@Liverpool Street . Has been for a number of weeks now
Quote from: karl724223 on June 26, 2015, 05:53:11 PM
801/9 might end up at pensnett if rumours are true in October
More 44xx might end up at pensnett to
Milk flats pmsl
I hear about the 99 departing to pastures old.. Sooner the better in my honest opinion. I used to like the route when many yerrs ago it was 636 with the Harborne hoppers not this modern day incarnation.
Is it going further then Halesowen too, apparently?
More 44's? Oh dear... good news for the Pensnett drivers who like quick buses then
Milk floats indeed Karl... lmao they won't wake the residents when they're delivering drunks off the late nights ha.
Quote from: Nathan on June 26, 2015, 05:53:21 PM
4318 is at WN @Liverpool Street . Has been for a number of weeks now
Oh, okay. I have updated my records. Didn't know that one moved. Thanks Nath.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 26, 2015, 05:26:49 PM
Now I've got a spare 5 minutes I thought I'd update my BC fleet list, should be correct as of today, 26/06/2015.
9 Enviro200's unfortunately; 801-809
33 Volvo B7RLE's; 2119, and 2121-2152
52 early Tridents; 4143-4189, 4218, 4318, 4366, 4367 and 4368
40 Transbus 44xx's consisting of; 4427, 4431-4449, 4455-4474
25 Transbus 46xx's, hopefully they'll keep them for a while longer; 4610-4634
29 Enviro400 Mk2's; 4895-4913, and 4940-4949
18 Milk floats, 5501-5518
18 Platinum's, 6701-6718
224 total buses at Birmingham Central at the present moment in time.
Confirm, please @Tony
4318 gone on, 6713 upwards not yet in service, more departures when they are.
Do Birmingham Central still use the 'Alighting Only' display? also what did it say on the bottom line?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 26, 2015, 06:05:17 PM
I hear about the 99 departing to pastures old.. Sooner the better in my honest opinion. I used to like the route when many yerrs ago it was 636 with the Harborne hoppers not this modern day incarnation.
Is it going further then Halesowen too, apparently?
More 44's? Oh dear... good news for the Pensnett drivers who like quick buses then
Milk floats indeed Karl... lmao they won't wake the residents when they're delivering drunks off the late nights ha.
Oh, okay. I have updated my records. Didn't know that one moved. Thanks Nath.
If what I've heard is right then it's something to do with a
double-oh disaster...
2 routing out of halesowen.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 26, 2015, 06:05:17 PM
I hear about the 99 departing to pastures old.. Sooner the better in my honest opinion. I used to like the route when many yerrs ago it was 636 with the Harborne hoppers not this modern day incarnation.
Is it going further then Halesowen too, apparently?
More 44's? Oh dear... good news for the Pensnett drivers who like quick buses then
about time pensnett had some decent cast offs
The 44xx we've had are fast
Quote from: Dom on June 26, 2015, 06:08:50 PM
Do Birmingham Central still use the 'Alighting Only' display? also what did it say on the bottom line?
No they don't. It didn't last that long and isn't needed so much now the Colmore Row stops have swapped over and there is a bit more space to layover.
I don't recall the wording of the bottom tow of the display but it was something along the lines of please wait while our drivers change over.
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
4318 gone on, 6713 upwards not yet in service, more departures when they are.
Any ideas when the remaining Platinums are due to start?
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 26, 2015, 06:11:05 PM
If what I've heard is right then it's something to do with a double-oh disaster...2 routing out of halesowen.
Say no more, Thomas!
Quote from: Mike K on June 26, 2015, 06:33:46 PM
No they don't. It didn't last that long and isn't needed so much now the Colmore Row stops have swapped over and there is a bit more space to layover.
I don't recall the wording of the bottom tow of the display but it was something along the lines of please wait while our drivers change over.
It should be 'feel free to knock on the doors and disturb our drivers whilst they change, because they can't actually see passengers waiting for the service as they don't have eyes.'
What's meant by the cryptic references to the 002 in Halesowen?
If the 99 does move, and given that PE is allegedly at capacity, it will be interesting to see if there are any other moves of routes between garages - I know a few possible scenarios were debated on here a few months back. I personally think that extending the 99 further will affect reliability. I agree I preferred it when it was the short and sweet QE - Harborne - Quinton shuttle.
May it go through Bartley green? The way the 22 green bus was attempted? Is the 99 extending to Hayley green again?
Quote from: Mike K on June 27, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
What's meant by the cryptic references to the 002 in Halesowen?
If the 99 does move, and given that PE is allegedly at capacity, it will be interesting to see if there are any other moves of routes between garages - I know a few possible scenarios were debated on here a few months back. I personally think that extending the 99 further will affect reliability. I agree I preferred it when it was the short and sweet QE - Harborne - Quinton shuttle.
What I've heard is something about the 126 going to BC, something from The Farm to Wolvo and 99 from BC to The Farm.
Allegedly.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 27, 2015, 12:03:34 PM
What I've heard is something about the 126 going to BC, something from The Farm to Wolvo and 99 from BC to The Farm.
Allegedly.
What's the farm? Is that Hasbury??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 27, 2015, 04:51:03 PM
What's the farm? Is that Hasbury??
Pensnett garage i think
It's interesting that all these rumours are going around when a Dudley/Sandwell bus review is taking place.
What is the point in moving services around when the bus review may change everything again?
Nothing would change till October when the review takes place
Quote from: karl724223 on June 27, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Nothing would change till October when the review takes place
Surely nothing would need to move out of Pensnett when they have the extra land the could be used for additional parking
Here's another rumour: PE will run the 99 from either Halesowen or Hasbury to the QE. Then BC will run it from city to the QE or War Lane. Personally I think this is rather far-fetched. Makes sense for PE to have it. What confuses me is when you need to change a defective E200 you normally get a Volvo. You then drive out to say Harborne and then you see they've put E200 on the 29. Or the 14. Or the Bristol. Or the Pershore. You get the idea...
They thinking of splitting the 99? Is it for reliability issues?
Quote from: karl724223 on June 27, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Nothing would change till October when the review takes place
The Dudley/Sandwell review changes will not take place until early 2016 at the earliest. I was told that at one of the roadshows.
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
They thinking of splitting the 99? Is it for reliability issues?
Reliability is an issue. It's a long route, loadings can be heavy especially in the peaks, and not a lot of dropback. PE will still have these issues if the running time is not sorted. Also, they will still have the same problems with inconsiderate parking at the QE and Welsh House.
To me, the 99 could do with a slight increase in frequency although that may not be possible because of it fitting in with the departures of the 98 from City.
PE could certainly operate the route, although it is a long way out if a changeover bus is needed, and i certainly wouldn't want to see them taking buses off the 244 to cover it if there was a breakdown.
I'm not sure I can see the point of transfer of the 99 - except BC garage doesn't seem to like E200s, which would no doubt get transferred if the route went somewhere else.
Quote from: don on June 29, 2015, 01:13:22 AM
I'm not sure I can see the point of transfer of the 99 - except BC garage doesn't seem to like E200s, which would no doubt get transferred if the route went somewhere else.
From what I've gathered on this forum, don't think many like the E200s ! I see why BC has the 99 as its better equipped in terms of bus storage (Although I take it more than that is thought of when allocating routes to a garage), if the route changes I can see why a transfer may happen as it may mean another garage is suitable (Reduce dead mileage) but that remains to be seen.
My driver juat drove past 4620, parked up on Westbourne Road, near the University stop - with the hazrd lights on, but not in service... Any problems at all? Or waiting to start service?
Check out the news- large Fire next to BC this evening!
Is 2126 still out on the 60?
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 30, 2015, 08:23:33 PM
Is 2126 still out on the 60?
Just coming out of Cranes Park Road, cannot tell if actually in service at the moment
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
Just coming out of Cranes Park Road, cannot tell if actually in service at the moment
Thank You
@Tony :)
Out today is 6714 out on 957 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/19128630588/in/dateposted-public/ saw 6711 & an envrio wonder if any more will out today
Quote from: Solo1 on July 01, 2015, 07:05:17 AM
6714 out on 957 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/19128630588/in/dateposted-public/ saw 6711 & an envrio wonder if any more will out today
is this today?
Had my first platinum ride on 6709 yesterday. Was already an etched seat and window!
How come no one has noticed 6718 on the 900
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2015, 04:55:40 PM
How come no one has noticed 6718 on the 900
Because its too hot and i imagine many cannot be bothered to stand round watching buses! ;)
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2015, 04:55:40 PM
How come no one has noticed 6718 on the 900
I have sadly got no picture but only just got in and was bout to to post
Quote from: Rhys S on July 01, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
I have sadly got no picture but only just got in and was bout to to post
@Rhys S what time did you see 6718 and was heading Coventry or Birmingham way?
Not in city centre this afternoon!
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 01, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
@Rhys S
what time did you see 6718 and was heading Coventry or Birmingham way?
Knowing what times 6718 operated, and what times Rhys claims to have got home, and the fact he can't remember what time he saw it (facebook message), I suspect he has not actually seen it!
If anyone does really want to see it it should operate the 19:06 from Birmingham, but will probably be a few minutes late
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
Knowing what times 6718 operated, and what times Rhys claims to have got home, and the fact he can't remember what time he saw it (facebook message), I suspect he has not actually seen it!
If anyone does really want to see it it should operate the 19:06 from Birmingham, but will probably be a few minutes late
6701 was 1906 900 departure
@Tony
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 01, 2015, 07:25:03 PM
6701 was 1906 900 departure @Tony
Sorry, yes 6718 was due into Birmingham at 19:06, leaves on the 19:30 departure, currently parked up in Park Street, round the back of Hotel LaTour
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2015, 07:27:22 PM
Sorry, yes 6718 was due into Birmingham at 19:06, leaves on the 19:30 departure, currently parked up in Park Street, round the back of Hotel LaTour
Probably already vandalised
Quote from: Rhys S on July 01, 2015, 08:13:34 PM
Sorry but Tony you seem to be. Very discriminating against me the last few days
And facebook has nothing whatsoever to do with wmbip
I don't like lies posted on the forum. Tell me where & when you saw 6718 and I will apologise
When I was on the 900 and time was round 1430
Plus my brother seen it at 4:45
Quote from: Rhys S on July 01, 2015, 08:35:28 PM
When I was on the 900 and time was round 1430
Plus my brother seen it at 4:45
It was safely tucked away inside BC garage when you 'saw' it, and it was not in service when your brother saw it.
It is on running board 900-10, first trip it did in service was the 15:03 from the Airport into Bimringham
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2015, 08:47:00 PM
It was safely tucked away inside BC garage when you 'saw' it, and it was not in service when your brother saw it.
It is on running board 900-10, first trip it did in service was the 15:03 from the Airport into Bimringham
How long would it take to get from BC garage to the Airport to take up the 1503 journey?
Anyone heard the sound of 4442 when taking off
Quote from: Trident4590 on July 02, 2015, 05:27:27 AM
Anyone heard the sound of 4442 when taking off
Is that the one that sounds like a tank?
Quote from: Trident4590 on July 02, 2015, 05:27:27 AM
Anyone heard the sound of 4442 when taking off
Extremely beasty. Sounds very powerful, almost aviation-like.
Quote from: Trident4590 on July 02, 2015, 05:27:27 AM
Anyone heard the sound of 4442 when taking off
I'm sure it's on the 24 today, but it definitely was a 444* vehicle - very artillery like. Good character, I'd say, well, from the outside at least. I walked past it on Harborne High Street, after school.
Quote from: clayderman on July 02, 2015, 05:19:11 PM
I'm sure it's on the 24 today, but it definitely was a 444* vehicle - very artillery like. Good character, I'd say, well, from the outside at least. I walked past it on Harborne High Street, after school.
I saw, well heard it go under the bull ring a couple of weeks ago but didn't know the fleet number or how to describe it.
23 Enviro 400s on the Pershore Road this morning.
Looking very modern!
2152 on the 24
6717 now out on the 957 completing BCs entry into service of all 18 (replaced 6716)
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 10:12:59 AM
23 Enviro 400s on the Pershore Road this morning.
Looking very modern!
That would explain the number of Tridents on the 24. Been quite a few Tridents on there for the last week or two.
@Tony Was it 6717's first day today in service - had it on the 957 and very nice bus!
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 03, 2015, 02:07:59 PM
@Tony
Was it 6717's first day today in service - had it on the 957 and very nice bus!
Yes it is 6717's first day in service :)
@Rob2832 Thanks! :) Really nice bus - very glad to get it on its first day. Must say these MMCs are great!
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
6717 now out on the 957 completing BCs entry into service of all 18 (replaced 6716)
I saw 6717 heading towards Solihull at the Swan Island was too far away really to get a picture as I was at the 11a bus stop opposite the Tesco's I saw another 957 branded MMC but couldn't see the fleet number
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 10:12:59 AM
23 Enviro 400s on the Pershore Road this morning.
Looking very modern!
Isn't that the full service?
@Tony45-51
To
45-74
And
45-75
45-76
45-77
45-78
45-79
Leaving depot this afternoon?
Did I spy some new orange Pershore Road branding on 4896?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 03, 2015, 05:07:31 PM
Did I spy some new orange Pershore Road branding on 4896?
You did. This vehicle was on the 501 this evening. Apparently three have been branded so far.
Quote from: AndrewLee on July 03, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
You did. This vehicle was on the 501 this evening. Apparently three have been branded so far.
Are their any pictures floating around ?!
Didn't get a pic as I was on the 98 going up Smallbrook Queensway.
Didn't have any rear branding as it still has the Twycross Zoo megarear. Saw 4913 too with a drivemybus advert over the rear windows
At least 2 non platinum enviros are on the 957 today
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 04, 2015, 05:57:37 PM
At least 2 non platinum enviros are on the 957 today
one of them was 4944
@the trainbasher
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 04, 2015, 06:04:00 PM
one of them was 4944 @the trainbasher
The other one is the one just passing poets corner island, city bound, 4911 (which I'm sitting on)
4940 is also on the 900
Several Trident's on the 60 today. Usually fully E400 operated nowadays (especially on a Sunday)
The photo of the new Pershore Road 45/47 branding on 4896 on the main site shows West Heath in the list of places served. I thought that only the 45 served West Heath (47 serving Turves Green and Cofton Hackett). Is this correct?
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2015, 11:05:36 PM
The photo of the new Pershore Road 45/47 branding on 4896 on the main site shows West Heath in the list of places served. I thought that only the 45 served West Heath (47 serving Turves Green and Cofton Hackett). Is this correct?
They should have went for like a branch type effect were the 2 branches would be West Heath and Rednal & Turves Green and Cofton Hacket
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2015, 11:05:36 PM
The photo of the new Pershore Road 45/47 branding on 4896 on the main site shows West Heath in the list of places served. I thought that only the 45 served West Heath (47 serving Turves Green and Cofton Hackett). Is this correct?
Crap branding.
Cotteridge / Stirchley / Selly Park / city centre (no capitals??) Is what it should be.
And orange? Pfft.
And below the front windscreen, why have NXWM logo instead of a big Pershore Road woriding?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 07, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
Crap branding.
Cotteridge / Stirchley / Selly Park / city centre (no capitals??) Is what it should be.
And orange? Pfft.
And below the front windscreen, why have NXWM logo instead of a big Pershore Road woriding?
Crap branding???...................is there any other type of branding?
While I am having a moan...please can members(or some of them) please try to write in at least understandable English,whilst nobody expects Shakespeare,the standard is abysmal,especially now spell checkers exist.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 07, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
Crap branding.
Cotteridge / Stirchley / Selly Park / city centre (no capitals??) Is what it should be.
And orange? Pfft.
And below the front windscreen, why have NXWM logo instead of a big Pershore Road woriding?
As far as I'm aware all branding say 'city centre'. It's always annoyed me as well, looks out of place with all the other place names.
I took a visit to BC today and upon returning I saw a 14 Branded Trident being driven by an Engineer which left a cloud of black smoke upon pulling off
The branding's ok. I don't know about orange for the Pershore Road, but at least it's not blue
63 going half hourly between 0101 and 0331 between city and Selly oak effective 19.07.2015
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 07, 2015, 05:35:34 PM
63 going half hourly between 0101 and 0331 between city and Selly oak effective 19.07.2015
I don't use the 63, but that's good news. Hopefully now all the students based there can use the bus, freeing up and stopping the price surges with Uber. Meaning I can get home from work more quickly and cheaper. 😃
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 07, 2015, 05:35:34 PM
63 going half hourly between 0101 and 0331 between city and Selly oak effective 19.07.2015
That's an impressive night service frequency. Will any journeys extend beyond Selly Oak say on an hourly basis?
Quote from: Mike K on July 07, 2015, 06:08:48 PM
That's an impressive night service frequency. Will any journeys extend beyond Selly Oak say on an hourly basis?
Looks like a one bus operation so it'll only be doing Selly to city
0101 - Albert Street
0108 - Priory Road
0114 - Selly Oak (Big Johns)
~
0115 - Selly Oak (Halfords)
0121 - Priory Road
0128 - Albert Street
And onwards from there I bet.
Bit of a waste only running to Selly Oak.
Hopefully over time they'd extend to Northfield at least
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 07, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
0101 - Albert Street
0108 - Priory Road
0114 - Selly Oak (Big Johns)
~
0115 - Selly Oak (Halfords)
0121 - Priory Road
0128 - Albert Street
And onwards from there I bet.
Quite tight timings then. It could take more than a minute to get round Selly Oak triangle if the lights are against you. I sincerely hope that the destination shows "Selly Oak, Big John's" but I suspect it might be Oak Tree Lane.
I agree with Kevin. Buses are only better than taxis at night for those travelling alone, or long distances. Us students tend to travel in groups, and most students live in Selly Oak, so they'd just share a taxi back together. Plus it's not far enough out for a tickets to be cheaper than chipping in for a taxi. Night buses won't properly take off until they reach the estates (i.e. Longbridge and maybe even Rednal, Rubery and Frankley) where taxis can cost £20/£25...
It seems to me that NE are trying to set up a night bus service while spending the least amount of money.
Surely it would be better to look at peoples requirements and not setting the destination of the bus so it requires the minimum amount of buses.
Surely spending some money will make money?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 07, 2015, 11:16:37 PM
It seems to me that NE are trying to set up a night bus service while spending the least amount of money.
Surely it would be better to look at peoples requirements and not setting the destination of the bus so it requires the minimum amount of buses.
Surely spending some money will make money?
I disagree, start small and build up demand as opposed to an overnight large network that would be loss making as per GWM's 2007 effort.
Mrw did run a network back in 1991 but it was supported by Centro, Petes later took on certain night services commercially along with TWM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 07, 2015, 11:16:37 PM
It seems to me that NE are trying to set up a night bus service while spending the least amount of money.
Surely it would be better to look at peoples requirements and not setting the destination of the bus so it requires the minimum amount of buses.
Surely spending some money will make money?
National Express is a business at the end of the day and I think its services are a mix of making money and meeting demand. I think if they gather feedback that that the 61/63 night service needs to be extended and then they may (To perhaps Northfield)
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 07, 2015, 11:22:47 PM
I disagree, start small and build up demand as opposed to an overnight large network that would be loss making as per GWM's 2007 effort.
Mrw did run a network back in 1991 but it was supported by Centro, Petes later took on certain night services commercially along with TWM
No, i think that a sensible network needs to be built up, however a 1/2 hourly service between City and Selly Oak is pointless!
Surely extend it a bit farther out and if it needs 2 buses, so be it!
I just hope NE aren't doing this so the services fail and the Night Bus network is withdrawn through lack of interest.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 07, 2015, 11:16:37 PM
It seems to me that NE are trying to set up a night bus service while spending the least amount of money.
Surely it would be better to look at peoples requirements and not setting the destination of the bus so it requires the minimum amount of buses.
Surely spending some money will make money?
I'm sure they have looked at requirements and not just thought about how far out of town you could get using just a single bus. The service would seem to be aimed primarily at the student market. I hope it is a success, I think it's encouraging how the 24/7 night network is growing.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 07, 2015, 11:42:45 PM
No, i think that a sensible network needs to be built up, however a 1/2 hourly service between City and Selly Oak is pointless!
Surely extend it a bit farther out and if it needs 2 buses, so be it!
I just hope NE aren't doing this so the services fail and the Night Bus network is withdrawn through lack of interest.
I don't get how it's pointless. It'll serve the main area of demand which is Selly Oak from students. Your method wouldiinstantly double costs whilst serving areas with lower demand and where security would be a lot more of a problem.
Why would NXWM want the night bus network to fail? It's a business keen to expand and grow turnover and it's clear night buses are being gradually and viably built up
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 07, 2015, 11:47:57 PM
I don't get how it's pointless. It'll serve the main area of demand which is Selly Oak from students. Your method wouldiinstantly double costs whilst serving areas with lower demand and where security would be a lot more of a problem.
Why would NXWM want the night bus network to fail? It's a business keen to expand and grow turnover and it's clear night buses are being gradually and viably built up
With respect, I maintain it is pointless. In London, quite often Night Bus routes cover areas greater than the day bus route would, not shorter to use less buses.
As has already been pointed out, with taxi fares being high to some of the suburbs, Night Buses could be the answer, but if they aren't going to try it, & the 63 has to rely on student traffic to Selly Oak, then i can see failure looming.
I also cannot understand why they haven't made the 9 an all night service, with a new departure at 01:00 from City and the next from City at 04:35, it would only take departures at 02:00, 03:00 & 04:00 to bridge the gap.
On 4442 atm on the 14 route and it sounds like the exhaust is from stacks haha.....nice sound mind
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 08, 2015, 12:01:10 AM
With respect, I maintain it is pointless. In London, quite often Night Bus routes cover areas greater than the day bus route would, not shorter to use less nuses.
As has already been pointed out, with taxi fares being high to some of the suburbs, Night Buses could be the answer, but if they aren't going to try it, & the 63 has to rely on student traffic to Selly Oak, then i can see failure looming.
I also cannot understand why they haven't made the 9 an all night service, with a new departure at 01:00 from City and the next from City at 04:35, it would only take departures at 02:00, 03:00 & 04:00 to bridge the gap.
There's a big difference in that London's night bus network is subsidised, the night routes that NXWM are introducing are totally commercial.
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2015, 12:10:54 AM
There's a big difference in that London's night bus network is subsidised, the night routes that NXWM are introducing are totally commercial.
True
@Winston , but then again they are also very well used also.
I think that the West Midlands needs a good Night Bus network especially on Friday & Saturday nights. I know a lot of people would say but what about security and drunks, well i have riden Londons Night Buses numerous times and apart from high spirits, there never really much trouble.
To save on taxi fares from the city, use the bus to the terminus sellyoak for example then use a taxi from there to your doorstep, and why not phone for one while on the bus and have it waiting at the terminus, if it were me that's what I would do, these black cabs rip off merchants from the city.
Quote from: 2900 on July 08, 2015, 01:22:03 AM
To save on taxi fares from the city, use the bus to the terminus sellyoak for example then use a taxi from there to your doorstep, and why not phone for one while on the bus and have it waiting at the terminus, if it were me that's what I would do, these black cabs rip off merchants from the city.
People say Buses aren't worth it but little do they know ! The most you'll spend on a bus is £4.20 and it'll last you all day and I still remember once taking a black cab home were it cost me £20 !
At first I thought great, long overdue, but then I read only to Selly Oak. Why not all the way or Longbridge or Northfield at least? A lot of people will be disopointed with it only going to Selly Oak.
The taxi drivers have long had the monopoly in this city, charging high prices. A taxi from town to where I live (about 3 miles) is £12 on a Saturday night.
I've had taxi drivers try to get me involved in some 'money making' scheme. Others have preached to me about the joys of Islam, others have made suggestive comments to me, many break the speed limits excessivly, many go through red lights.
I now actually walk rather than give my hard earned money to these people.
Come on NXWM lets have a proper night network. Most other major citys have them.
37, 51, 904 are routes screaming out for night buses, and I'm sure there's plenty more.
Quote from: 2900 on July 08, 2015, 01:22:03 AM
To save on taxi fares from the city, use the bus to the terminus sellyoak for example then use a taxi from there to your doorstep, and why not phone for one while on the bus and have it waiting at the terminus, if it were me that's what I would do, these black cabs rip off merchants from the city.
Genuinely do similar myself, since the 74 went 24/7 I've actually started using it to get to that bit closer to home (Rookery Road) then if it's a decent night walking the rest (only 2.5 miles from there as opposed 5 miles from town)
I have one night away from the forum and my website, reliving 40 years ago sat on the wall of the Dog Inn at Water Orton watching the trains, read what was posted last night on the train into work this morning and find we have
Market Research experts (who know where buses are needed)
Financial experts (who know where/when to run buses commercially)
Timetabling Experts
Engineering experts (who know which buses are going to be the best value for money over a 15 year life)
on various threads. Should all join together and set up a bus company!
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2015, 09:20:53 AM
...
Timetabling Experts
...
Cheers boss, didn't think my timetable skills were that good to call me an expert. Haha.
But if they're using only one bus for a half hourly service then it can't be too far from the truth. The company favours larger dropbacks in the city hence my reasoning for a three minute gap there and a one minute gap at Selly Oak.
All speculation of course, they might give two buses on there with a lovely large drop back at either end. ? (Of course not)
Wow, way to belittle us just for being enthusiasts
Quote from: Kevin on July 08, 2015, 12:37:22 PM
Wow, way to belittle us just for being enthusiasts
Tony isn't belittling anyone, he is just feed up with people typing away on here what NXWM/C/D and other operators should be doing and not doing. This would be ok if those folks knew what it is like to run a bus Company. It's by no means easy.
As for the 63N hasn't anyone thought that the reason for it only going to Selly Oak is because at the moment there aren't the staff to stretch it out further to Longbridge and Rednal. Also for those who have said about London, well TfL pay for larger fleets so buses doing nights can have down time during the morning before going back out on the road, NX haven't got the space and funds for that. Look at how tired many Ex London buses are most should be scrapped after service in London but are sold on. As NXWM are doing these using there own money "Enthusiasts" shouldn't be telling them what to do. It would be like the Steam Railway Enthusiasts telling Steam Dreams what to do or West Coast Railways. Enthusiasts have there role but shouldn't be telling a company what to do with there own money, unless there is a safety problem they notice.
Quote from: tank90 on July 08, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
Tony isn't belittling anyone, he is just feed up with people typing away on here what NXWM/C/D and other operators should be doing and not doing. This would be ok if those folks knew what it is like to run a bus Company. It's by no means easy.
As for the 63N hasn't anyone thought that the reason for it only going to Selly Oak is because at the moment there aren't the staff to stretch it out further to Longbridge and Rednal. Also for those who have said about London, well TfL pay for larger fleets so buses doing nights can have down time during the morning before going back out on the road, NX haven't got the space and funds for that. Look at how tired many Ex London buses are most should be scrapped after service in London but are sold on. As NXWM are doing these using there own money "Enthusiasts" shouldn't be telling them what to do. It would be like the Steam Railway Enthusiasts telling Steam Dreams what to do or West Coast Railways. Enthusiasts have there role but shouldn't be telling a company what to do with there own money, unless there is a safety problem they notice.
Human Resources experts too now ;)
Quote from: Mike K on July 08, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
Human Resources experts too now ;)
I don't mind doing it ! ;)
Quote from: Kevin on July 08, 2015, 12:37:22 PM
Wow, way to belittle us just for being enthusiasts
Lol.
Thought the idea of forums are about people having debates and opinions, in the same way most of us have any idea of how to run a public service or a supermarket but peeps will still have an opinion. Either way have no intention of trying to setup either a service or a supermarket lol.
There would be complete anarchy just choosing the name of this fantasy bus company.
Social media expertise in this funny mix too :P
Quote from: Mike K on July 08, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
Human Resources experts too now ;)
Funny but I have run many projects using a set budget before, and staffing costs can run high when dealing with nights.
Quote from: tank90 on July 08, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
Tony isn't belittling anyone, he is just feed up with people typing away on here what NXWM/C/D and other operators should be doing and not doing. This would be ok if those folks knew what it is like to run a bus Company. It's by no means easy.
Yes Tony wasn't belittling anyone.
I found it very refreshing to have a debate and as i am sure that people high up in National Express read this forum and when we have a sensible debate, take notice of what we put. It might not make much difference to what is done within NE, but at least they see how we are thinking.
It actually nice that nxwm is introducing core night bus across birmingham. 97A, 50, 74 and now 63. Will the the N suffix return as more night services are introduced. I feel that 9 and one of the sutton lines will be next ones
Quote from: Chris on July 08, 2015, 10:59:35 PM
It actually nice that nxwm is introducing core night bus across birmingham. 97A, 50, 74 and now 63. Will the the N suffix return as more night services are introduced. I feel that 9 and one of the sutton lines will be next ones
I wouldn't be surprised if the 900 was also to go 24/7, seen as currently there is only a few hours between the last running board finishing in garage to the first running board starting, I imagine if they was to do it would only be a 900E that would run between them hours.
I am not sure If the airport is open 24x7 but if it is I am surprised that the 900 isn't already running a 24hr service as I cant imagine the train service to be
You may be right about the airport, although having done late night duties on the 900, to and from the airport, the service does carry well, seeing some of the air hostesses at midnight is a good way to wake you up lol :P
That said, I imagine even for the fact it serves the Coventry road would be a plus point for a 24hr service.
Quote from: Dutsey on July 09, 2015, 09:33:12 AM
I am not sure If the airport is open 24x7 but if it is I am surprised that the 900 isn't already running a 24hr service as I cant imagine the train service to be
Its Birmingham International. Of course it's open 24/7.
97Airport ring any bells?
@Dom, 5512 on the 24 is not noteworthy. Whilst there haven't been quite so many Hybrids on the 24 of late, on some days you can see as many as 3 or 4 on there.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 09, 2015, 10:09:17 AM
Its Birmingham International. Of course it's open 24/7.
97Airport ring any bells?
No the airport does not have any flights that arrive after half one in the morning (as I live by the airport I can hear it lol) so I doubt the departures lounge is open 24/7 tbh
Quote from: dw1308 on July 09, 2015, 11:47:50 PM
No the airport does not have any flights that arrive after half one in the morning (as I live by the airport I can hear it lol) so I doubt the departures lounge is open 24/7 tbh
Some flights arrive about 3 am on odd days. Also some flights start at 5:00 am
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 09, 2015, 10:09:17 AM
Its Birmingham International. Of course it's open 24/7.
97Airport ring any bells?
I forgot about that one :) however that is only servicing from Bordersley Green , Chelmsley Wood. I would imagine a lot of workers from the airport also from Coventry, Small heath etc
Wish I'd managed to get a shot of this, but 5512 went down Colmore Row at 15.45 this afternoon showing '33 Pheasey via Perry Barr'. Very quickly changed to a 23 before he'd even pulled into the stop though.
Quote from: Mike K on July 10, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
Wish I'd managed to get a shot of this, but 5512 went down Colmore Row at 15.45 this afternoon showing '33 Pheasey via Perry Barr'. Very quickly changed to a 23 before he'd even pulled into the stop though.
A shame. I often wondered, since being informed of garages with each others routes on them, what a hybrid would look like on any PB service, predominantly the 16/101. ;)
4897 now also has Pershore Road branding.
Quote from: Abluhwleh on July 10, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
4897 now also has Pershore Road branding.
Do we know many are going to be done in total?
Quote from: clayderman on July 10, 2015, 07:22:17 PM
A shame. I often wondered, since being informed of garages with each others routes on them, what a hybrid would look like on any PB service, predominantly the 16/101. ;)
Is every bus programmed with every route ?! Or just routes associated with its garage.
Quote from: BusFan on July 10, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
Is every bus programmed with every route ?! Or just routes associated with its garage.
It's normally just the routes that the garage operates, however some garages do have other routes programmed in!
Quote from: BusFan on July 10, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
Is every bus programmed with every route ?! Or just routes associated with its garage.
AG have YW routes programmed in. The 900 is also programmed in. I've not tried any other BC routes, but seeing as the staff bus display only has AG & YWs in, I doubt any other BC routes. I'll try tomorrow or the day after to see if anything else is in.
Also V festival routes are programmed in. It's just the letter V in the Hanover device.
Also the Enviro400 MMC display on a Plaxton President, and Enviro200 MMC on a Scania.
BC / BY / PB all in one.
AG / YW together.
PN separate and CV separate.
@Tony confirm.
@Liverpool Street - i've seen some PN routes on WB displays. The 9, for example.
I would have throught PN WB / WV WA with same area management/ director would have same routes programmed in
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 11, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
I would have throught PN WB / WV WA with same area management/ director would have same routes programmed in
WN have the 39/40/69/89 programmed in.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 11, 2015, 02:26:46 PM
I would have throught PN WB / WV WA with same area management/ director would have same routes programmed in
I totally forgot about those other garages.
Is 806 on the 60 AM Peak Board or is it out all day?
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 13, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Is 806 on the 60 AM Peak Board or is it out all day?
Replaced 4149, suspect it will be changed again as soon as possible
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Replaced 4149, suspect it will be changed again as soon as possible
Thank You
@Tony :)
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Replaced 4149, suspect it will be changed again as soon as possible
If And when it will be changed will it be an Enviro ?
Quote from: Rhys S on July 13, 2015, 10:34:33 AM
If And when it will be changed will it be an Enviro ?
It'll be either a E400 or Trident :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 13, 2015, 10:35:28 AM
It'll be either a E400 or Trident :)
Is 4149 a trident if so why would it be changed
Quote from: Rhys S on July 13, 2015, 10:36:28 AM
Is 4149 a trident if so why would it be changed
Yes 4149 is a Trident I'm guessing a Slight Defect or Brakedown :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 13, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
Yes 4149 is a Trident I'm guessing a Slight Defect or Brakedown :)
Or because the 60 is a busy service which needs deckers. If a DD is avaliable then they will swap it at the next chance they get.
4895 now Pershore Road branded, saw it going out of town by Kings Norton station just before 9 this morning.
Quote from: Cheese on July 14, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
4895 now Pershore Road branded, saw it going out of town by Kings Norton station just before 9 this morning.
Was done yesterday along with 4901 and 4902. I was one of the first to drive 4901 with new branding on.
Quote from: Cheese on July 14, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
4895 now Pershore Road branded, saw it going out of town by Kings Norton station just before 9 this morning.
Have they renamed 4895 Alice or is it still named Annie? Because looking at the pic of 4895 with PR Branding looks like the name Alice has been applied by accident.
4913 has a new rear advert for 'Driving Opportunities' at NX - much like that advert in the "advertising column" on Colmore Row
What happened to the hybrids and e400s on 24? I saw majority tridents today.
2x41**
1x 443*
1x4632
1x 5517
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 21, 2015, 08:34:26 PM
What happened to the hybrids and e400s on 24? I saw majority tridents today.
2x41**
1x 443*
1x4632
1x 5517
E400's are on Pershore Rd. Hybrids cover the 22/3 where they are allocated.
I'd like to hope 4876-4884 (or a different batch of Enviros) will arrive at BC when the Platinums arrive to cover the 24, 45/47 & 60
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but which tridents have been re-engined to euro 4/5?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on July 22, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but which tridents have been re-engined to euro 4/5?
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
These 3 were done at Wolverhampton a few years ago so they may differ enginewise to the recent 46**'s
4166
4179
4186
Other 41** are
4148
4172
4176
4177
4178
4185
Then those that I know off are
4586
4619
4633
4634
Just look for any Trident with the extra filler cap behind the front wheel, those ones have had replacement engines
Quote from: Sayeed on July 22, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
I was on 4186 on Monday when she was on the 70 on the Solihull trip and I thought the engine sounded different to other Tridents and wondered if it had been given a euro 4/5 engine at some point.
Also another sign of a euro 4/5 re-engined bus is a blue light on the dashboard on the right hand side by the gears I guess for the Adblue warning light or something like that
Just seen 4442 on 60 showing City Centre on side alternating with "On diversion".
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 14, 2015, 08:44:59 PM
Have they renamed 4895 Alice or is it still named Annie? Because looking at the pic of 4895 with PR Branding looks like the name Alice has been applied by accident.
It has been changed back to Annie, saw it today NIS.
4904 is now Pershore Road branded, if not already mentioned
6701 was on the hagley road into city past sandon road at about 6pm anybody know what it was doing? Looked like it was on private charter but could be wrong
Quote from: JoNi on July 23, 2015, 12:36:22 PM
Just seen 4442 on 60 showing City Centre on side alternating with "On diversion".
seen this as well on Thursday (24/07/15) driver said it something wrong with the in bus computer display and the depot Will have a look at it on the next bus exam
4903 now has 45/47 Peshore road branding
4903 has been branded for the past week...
For anyone who cares, so far I have 4895/6/7/8, 4901/2/3/4 all as branded. (I assume 4899/00 are done and I just haven't seen them). Also I don't know if anyones noticed but they all have different colours on the back windows.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 28, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
4903 has been branded for the past week...
For anyone who cares, so far I have 4895/6/7/8, 4901/2/3/4 all as branded. (I assume 4899/00 are done and I just haven't seen them). Also I don't know if anyones noticed but they all have different colours on the back windows.
Saw 4899 earlier in the week in Cotteridge and it has been branded. Haven't seen 4900 with branding as of yet but as you say probably has been done by now.
Quote from: Cheese on July 28, 2015, 09:44:10 PM
Saw 4899 earlier in the week in Cotteridge and it has been branded. Haven't seen 4900 with branding as of yet but as you say probably has been done by now.
Have they taken the megarears off the branded ones now? 4896 had one when I saw it branded
Nope, they still have them unfortunately.
4911 on the 501. (Edgbaston Cricket Special)
Quote from: AV4248 on July 29, 2015, 09:56:13 AM
4911 on the 501. (Edgbaston Cricket Special)
Oh no, not the cricket again!!
@Rhys S Tridents are still regular on the 60
Quote from: John on July 29, 2015, 12:36:19 PM
@Rhys S
Tridents are still regular on the 60
Tridents also appear on 60 a lot along with E400s
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 29, 2015, 12:44:46 PM
Tridents also appear on 60 a lot along with E400s
Tridents are actually the allocated vehicle type for the 60, just because BC use any spare E400s on there doesn't mean they are the allocated type
Quote from: AV4248 on July 29, 2015, 09:56:13 AM
4911 on the 501. (Edgbaston Cricket Special)
A 44** Trident is also on the 501 saw them both parked up on park street
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2015, 12:50:19 PM
Tridents are actually the allocated vehicle type for the 60, just because BC use any spare E400s on there doesn't mean they are the allocated type
Cheers for that info, I will edit my spreadsheet accordingly, as someone has entered E400 as the usual allocation for the 60. ;)
4149 is on the 23A. Some front flip dots are unresponsive, which makes for a dodgy looking display.
Quote from: clayderman on July 29, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
4149 is on the 23A. Some front flip dots are unresponsive, which makes for a dodgy looking display.
This had switched to the 24 by this evening, seen by Harborne Junction at around 18.00.
About 10 mins behind was 2140 on the 23 - not something you see that often.
Is 4368 the only trident with led side destination board. To be honest it looks good and it scrolls the via points to
Quote from: Chris on July 29, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
Is 4368 the only trident with led side destination board. To be honest it looks good and it scrolls the via points to
Was that on the 24 earlier?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 29, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
Was that on the 24 earlier?
Not sure, i saw it Not in Service yesterday on priory Queensway.
Quote from: Chris on July 29, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
Is 4368 the only trident with led side destination board. To be honest it looks good and it scrolls the via points to
Yes it is to the best of my knowledge. It used to have a rear LED too but was replaced with a flip-dot after a short time for some reason
Quote from: John on July 29, 2015, 08:18:33 PM
Yes it is to the best of my knowledge. It used to have a rear LED too but was replaced with a flip-dot after a short time for some reason
It actually suits the tridents, just wondering why on some of the trident 4428 and one of 41** for example their via points bring up weird glyphs
Quote from: Chris on July 29, 2015, 08:22:13 PM
It actually suits the tridents, just wondering why on some of the trident 4428 and one of 41** for example their via points bring up weird glyphs
4198
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 29, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
Was that on the 24 earlier?
Yes it was on the 24 this morning at least.
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
Yes it was on the 24 this morning at least.
Was still on there around 1830+hrs - Five Ways Morrisons
4615 is on the 97a even though its branded for the 14 lol
According to midlands today a B7RLE Eclipse 2 has wrapped itself around a tree in Edgbaston couldn't read the fleet number. Does anybody have any idea which bus it is or if it was a PN bus instead??? Cheers
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 02, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
According to midlands today a B7RLE Eclipse 2 has wrapped itself around a tree in Edgbaston couldn't read the fleet number. Does anybody have any idea which bus it is or if it was a PN bus instead??? Cheers
Somebody had posted that it was 2140. Presumably on the 29/29A as the accident was at the Harborne Rd / Highfield Rd junction.
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2015, 07:13:36 PM
Somebody had posted that it was 2140. Presumably on the 29/29A as the accident was at the Harborne Rd / Highfield Rd junction.
Cheers @Mike I thought it was a 24 forgot about 29/A knew it was away from Hagley Road . Would that be around by the Botanical Gardens??
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 02, 2015, 07:19:49 PM
Cheers @Mike I thought it was a 24 forgot about 29/A knew it was away from Hagley Road . Would that be around by the Botanical Gardens??
Close to Botanical Gardens but other side of the one way system by the final set of lights before Five Ways.
Quote from: Mike K on August 02, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Close to Botanical Gardens but other side of the one way system by the final set of lights before Five Ways.
Those are the ones if memory serves takes U upto Hagley Road opposite the Ivy Bush Thanks Mike
Have anymore E400s other than 4895-4899 4901-4904 been branded for the 45/47 yet. I haven't seen any others but it seems to be taking a while.
2140 is now at Carlyle for repairs.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 05, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
2140 is now at Carlyle for repairs.
I ponder...
Will this vehicle return to Birmingham Central in Crimson livery?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 05, 2015, 12:34:03 PM
I ponder...
Will this vehicle return to Birmingham Central in Crimson livery?
We can only hope @LS would be nice to see what an Eclipse 2 B7RLE looks like crimson
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 05, 2015, 12:34:03 PM
I ponder...
Will this vehicle return to Birmingham Central in Crimson livery?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 05, 2015, 01:17:49 PM
We can only hope @LS would be nice to see what an Eclipse 2 B7RLE looks like crimson
Personally, I doubt it. Although, seeing what the (ever-so-similar) Dundee livery looks on 1779, etc... I can only presume it'll look nicer.
Very much doubt it - route by route for Crimson repaints and with PB's Scanias and E400s in, WA's Eclipse Urbans for Dundee, and WB E400s, can't see much room or point in redoing the 12 reg B7RLEs at this stage.
I suspect it may just get a front end red new paint job and come back looking like 2142, i.e. Looking weird without the black destination surround.
Once the emission rule takes place I wonder what the fate of the euro 4 will be, they may cover a certain route, like the 70, who knows.
Why have I seen 900's/957's using Heath Mill Lane going into the city?
I can only assume there's been some sort of incident somewhere...
Quote from: AV4248 on August 06, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Why have I seen 900's/957's using Heath Mill Lane going into the city?
I can only assume there's been some sort of incident somewhere...
If that was the case, wouldn't the Coventry Road services also be diverted as well ?! Or is something in regards to the highway
Quote from: AV4248 on August 06, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Why have I seen 900's/957's using Heath Mill Lane going into the city?
I can only assume there's been some sort of incident somewhere...
Probably
nothing related. But there's been a fire around Digbeth (Wholesale Markets). I assume services, like those coming from Deritend, and others, such as the 16, 80, 126, etc... have been diverted.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-birmingham-wholesale-markets-fire-9803829
Quote from: Andy Richardson @ Birmingham Mail Live Updates
A number of bus routes have been diverted as emergency services deal with the fire.
NX West Midlands said services 2, 3, 5, 6, 17 & 37 diverted via Coventry Road, Digbeth High street, Heathmill Lane, Fazeley Street and onto Park Street.
Service 50 diverted via Bradford Street, Alcester Street, High Street, Heathmill Lane, Fazeley Street and onto Park Street and Service 35 is currently terminating at Sherlock Street. A further update will follow shortly.
Follow @nxwestmidlands for updates.
Some sort of fire in the City, AG City routes are turning right onto Heath Mill, left on Fazely, left again and normal line of route. Applies to the 5/31/37/73. I think it's at the markets, this fire.
Quote from: clayderman on August 06, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
Probably nothing related. But there's been a fire around Digbeth (Wholesale Markets). I assume services, like those coming from Deritend, and others, such as the 16, 80, 126, etc... have been diverted.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-birmingham-wholesale-markets-fire-9803829
Yep your right whole of Upper Dean Street has just been taped off looks like there's been a fire in the market car park.
NXWM's twitter has confirmed that all services are back to their normal routes.
Quote from: clayderman on August 06, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
Probably nothing related. But there's been a fire around Digbeth (Wholesale Markets). I assume services, like those coming from Deritend, and others, such as the 16, 80, 126, etc... have been diverted.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-birmingham-wholesale-markets-fire-9803829
Sounded like fun on that side of the City! Another driver told me of the fire as I was waiting time at the Uni relief stop. All of our 16s were terminating at The Priory Queensway (Not bad as they would have over 20 minutes layover before leaving City on time! They were parking up at the lay-by by Hotel LaTour on Park Street and some at the stop at the bottom of The Priory Queensway), the queues of passengers for the affected services on Moor Street/Cars Lane were massive, especially the Coventry Road and the 97. Moor Street Queensway was near enough empty heading back up towards Hotel LaTour from the Bullring, makes a nice change
Are anymore enviros getting the pershore road branding, or is 4904 the last?
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2015, 12:51:45 PM
Are anymore enviros getting the pershore road branding, or is 4904 the last?
Hopefully a couple more might be done tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Hopefully a couple more might be done tomorrow
Thatnks Tony, I will keep my eyes peeled for them this week.
Which BC E400 has got orange around the destination and above the lights, no branding on the front window or on the side of it but full branding on the back?Saw one like this today in Birmingham and it looked quite odd.
Some of the E400's still have that bonobos back advert.
It may have been a bonobos advert but I am quite sure I seen orange branding on the back which is correct for Pershore Rd
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on August 10, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
Some of the E400's still have that bonobos back advert.
With the 900 branding under that! ;) (4902?)
Maybe it's 4902 but I would think it would be 4900 or 4905 onwards as I think 4902 has full branding.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 10, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
Maybe it's 4902 but I would think it would be 4900 or 4905 onwards as I think 4902 has full branding.
It is not 4905
It it one from 4906-4913 then as I think I saw 4900 today and it is still unbranded.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 10, 2015, 02:37:26 PM
Which BC E400 has got orange around the destination and above the lights, no branding on the front window or on the side of it but full branding on the back?Saw one like this today in Birmingham and it looked quite odd.
I saw it from a distance on High Street. Looks like its had nearside accident repairs and the branding hasn't been replaced yet
Maybe you are right there John. I only saw it from distances too so didn't get the number.
Quote from: John on August 10, 2015, 05:45:27 PM
I saw it from a distance on High Street. Looks like its had nearside accident repairs and the branding hasn't been replaced yet
I saw 4895 without branding above the door on Monday at the terminus in High Street if that helps
@John
Dose anyone know if the 14E to Tile Cross still exsits and is it still operated with a Enviro 200.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 12, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
I saw 4895 without branding above the door on Monday at the terminus in High Street if that helps @John
That's more than likely the one I saw. Thanks for that
Quote from: 2206 on August 12, 2015, 06:10:12 PM
Dose anyone know if the 14E to Tile Cross still exsits and is it still operated with a Enviro 200.
I don't see any short journey to Tile Cross on the timetable, so maybe it doesn't any more.
Quote from: Stu on August 12, 2015, 06:27:59 PM
I don't see any short journey to Tile Cross on the timetable, so maybe it doesn't any more.
Ok then thanks
@Stu .
Has anyone got any idea what time the Enviro 200 on the 957 passes the Swan on Saturday Mornings.
@Nathan4775 is it on there again today. What time did you see 802.
Quote from: John on August 12, 2015, 06:20:57 PM
That's more than likely the one I saw. Thanks for that
your welcome
@John I meant to answer the thread Tuesday but never got around to it mate
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2015, 01:46:15 PM
@Nathan4775 is it on there again today. What time did you see 802.
Drove past it this morning at around 10:40ish at Digbeth Coach Station heading for Kingshurst (:
4168 is currently parked up at The Fox And Goose broken down must have been on the 70
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 02:53:58 PM
4168 is currently parked up at The Fox And Goose broken down must have been on the 70
yes it would of been it had the route number on the rear display when I saw it about 13:40ish, broken down right at the lights not the best place to be either. I was coming out of Tesco's onto Coleshill Road
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 15, 2015, 03:03:04 PM
yes it would of been it had the route number on the rear display when I saw it about 13:40ish, broken down right at the lights not the best place to be either. I was coming out of Tesco's on Coleshill Road
Still there at 14:50
Twice now I have seen a B7RLE come past the Aston Uni relief stop with 29A Northfield on the display. Anyone know where it comes from? Around 9.30am
4178 parked up on Bordesley Green Road with hazards on and engineer at the wheel
4942 on 900
So I've been telephoned that 4165 had a fire apparently?
Can someone confirm?
@Tony @Winston @Mike K
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 21, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
So I've been telephoned that 4165 had a fire apparently?
Can someone confirm?
@Tony @Winston @Mike K
No idea
@Liverpool Street. I'm no ITK. And unless it was on the 24 at the time I'm unlikely to have seen it (don't tend to venture East).
Quote from: Mike K on August 21, 2015, 04:07:01 PM
No idea @Liverpool Street. I'm no ITK. And unless it was on the 24 at the time I'm unlikely to have seen it (don't tend to venture East).
I'm sure it was on the 24 yesterday morning behind 4176. I recall yesterday lunchtime a 44xx was the bus behind 4176 unless this is another of my blind as a bat guesses.
4165 was on the Bristol Road yesterday afternoon/evening
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2015, 08:35:52 PM
4165 was on the Bristol Road yesterday afternoon/evening
I'm still adjusting to new glasses. Not making any difference though clearly. My bad.
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2015, 08:35:52 PM
4165 was on the Bristol Road yesterday afternoon/evening
Clearly bullshit then,
Thanks for clarifying, Tone.
Regarding the temporary traffic lights on Smallbrook Queensway outside New St station, its now bloody tight for city bound buses to get into the right hand lane before entering the tunnel. The barriers are really in the way now. Surprised there hasn't been an accident there yet
@Dylanbusboy45 Enviro400s on the Bristol Road are not that unusual now, usualy at least one on there most days now
Quote from: John on August 24, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
@Dylanbusboy45
Enviro400s on the Bristol Road are not that unusual now, usualy at least one on there most days now
Yes
@John , the twilight bus which books on at around 12:30am is 63/01 and is always an E400 and this stays out all day till around 7:30pm.
So if i have kept up with all the outgoing transfers to Pensnett
Pensnett should have the following
4425
4426
4427
4428
4429
4430
4431
4432
4433
4434
4435
4436
4438
4439
If i am wrong feel free to correct me ;D
Yes
@RS last three came yesterday as posted in the transfer thread so pn has 4425 to 4436 plus 4438/39
Newly arrived 4878 on 47 this morning. Will be in city centre about 0755.
Seen 4878 this morning thetve relocated the offside fleet number to the front to match the newer enviros currently at bc
Not sure if this has been mentioned on here already but 4905 now has Pershore Rd branding. It is on the 60 today.
@Dylanbusboy45 what time did you see 4905?
I can't remember the exact time but maybe just before 13:00 it left the stop on Moor St and it was followed by a 900 if this helps.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 28, 2015, 03:39:30 PM
I can't remember the exact time but maybe just before 13:00 it left the stop on Moor St and it was followed by a 900 if this helps.
Okay
Cheers
@Dylanbusboy45
4900 is also now branded as saw it this evening. This means 4895-4905 are all branded
Ex WA 4882 is on BC60 if anyone wants a photo
Currently on its way to cranes park (near Yardley swan 0950)
Update 16:15
4879/4882 on BC60
4884 on 61/63
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 28, 2015, 09:50:40 AM
Seen 4878 this morning thetve relocated the offside fleet number to the front to match the newer enviros currently at bc
@BU07 LGO I don't know if it's just me, but the old fleet numbers on 4880 - 84 look like the number 8 is upside down, if this is even possible! Maybe I'm cracking up ::)
Can't remember whether I have mentioned
4149 now at WN
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 30, 2015, 05:41:23 PM
@BU07 LGO I don't know if it's just me, but the old fleet numbers on 4880 - 84 look like the number 8 is upside down, if this is even possible! Maybe I'm cracking up ::)
I cant say that ive noticed haha, but one of our new MMC's has a button in the cab upside down! Don't they quality control these buses! Another has lost the rubber cover on the cab door handle already!
4878 was on 61/63 today as well
@BU07 LGO ADL do still seem to have their quality control issues - hopefully just little things that can be amended pretty soon. Remember the Scanias had their door issues at the start - also the cab doors on the earlier ones had magnets that could be overcome, so a strap and hook was fitted on as well.
4909 now Pershore Road branded
Quote from: John on August 31, 2015, 12:39:16 PM
4909 now Pershore Road branded
That's a surprise. Thought 4905 would be the last one, so I presume 4906/07/08 will be too. Seems a lot compared to 4610 - 21.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 31, 2015, 01:20:14 PM
That's a surprise. Thought 4905 would be the last one, so I presume 4906/07/08 will be too. Seems a lot compared to 4610 - 21.
I had to take a double look too. Has there been a frequency increase since the Tridents were branded?
Quote from: John on August 31, 2015, 01:24:48 PM
I had to take a double look too. Has there been a frequency increase since the Tridents were branded?
Not that I'm aware of John.
4909, 4910 and 4912 also branded.
And 4907 too
Quote from: trident4370 on September 01, 2015, 09:55:38 AM
4909, 4910 and 4912 also branded.
I don't understand why they have branded so many?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 02, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
I don't understand why they have branded so many?
I suppose they want to have every Enviro on route branded !
4873 was out on 60 today
The 24 looks like it has reverted back to largely E400 plus spare B5 operation following the arrival of the 48xx ones from WA.
809 was on there this morning too.
6701 will be up Blackpool on Saturday and sunday
Quote from: karl724223 on September 04, 2015, 04:18:40 PM
6701 will be up Blackpool on Saturday and sunday
Along with one of the green B7s having a stop over on the way to Dundee
4881 was on the Bristol Rd yesterday (Friday). Havnt seen 4875 or 4877 yet.
Anyone wandering where 4437 is, it's in the back yard of BC awaiting repairs.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 05, 2015, 12:43:23 AM
4881 was on the Bristol Rd yesterday (Friday). Havnt seen 4875 or 4877 yet.
Anyone wandering where 4437 is, it's in the back yard of BC awaiting repairs.
4877 is still at WA at the moment I believe, it was definitely on the X51 one day this week. 4875 has ventured out, it was on the 24 a couple of days ago.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 05, 2015, 12:43:23 AM
4881 was on the Bristol Rd yesterday (Friday). Havnt seen 4875 or 4877 yet.
Anyone wandering where 4437 is, it's in the back yard of BC awaiting repairs.
Can confirm 4877 still at WA. Just seen it depart Walsall on the 51
4874 and 4883 are on BC60 today
if anyone wants any pics
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 05, 2015, 12:44:22 PM
4874 and 4883 are on BC60 today
if anyone wants any pics
4875 on 47 about to do city centre loop.
not reported there are 2 advert buses for cider at BC https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/21142859596/in/dateposted-public/ is one of them
Quote from: Solo1 on September 05, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
not reported there are 2 advert buses for cider at BC https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/21142859596/in/dateposted-public/ is one of them
There's more than 2
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2015, 08:34:07 PM
There's more than 2
Does anybody know the fleetnumbers of these buses please thanks
Quote from: Trident4583 on September 05, 2015, 08:42:48 PM
Does anybody know the fleetnumbers of these buses please thanks
4443 and I think 4631
4440 & 4621 should be done as well
There is a 462* out now on the 70 carrying that advert saw it at the Fox And Goose doing the 21:16 to Coleshill.
Should be in Coleshill now about to start the 21:48 back to the City Centre
( Think it may of been 4621 )
Quote from: 2206 on September 05, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
There is a 462* out now on the 70 carrying that advert saw it at the Fox And Goose doing the 21:16 to Coleshill.
Should be in Coleshill now about to start the 21:48 back to the City Centre
( Think it may of been 4621 )
If it's a 46xx's then yes it's 4621. I've just confirmed which 4 are done. Watch out for some new offside ads and megarear as well soon
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
If it's a 46xx's then yes it's 4621. I've just confirmed which 4 are done. Watch out for some new offside ads and megarear as well soon
Has 2015 been a quiet year for megarears? Over in Cov, just the one bus is carrying one (4206) it's been that way for a while.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 06, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Has 2015 been a quiet year for megarears? Over in Cov, just the one bus is carrying one (4206) it's been that way for a while.
The advert on 4206 has 'expired' as well, but watch the back of 4403; 4404; 4405 & 4423 soon
I guess it was around the late 90's and thereafter when the vinyl megarear fad started. I can recall Mark 2 Metrobuses wearing them (and a few Mk1's). Thought they were about to go out of fashion!
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 06, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Has 2015 been a quiet year for megarears? Over in Cov, just the one bus is carrying one (4206) it's been that way for a while.
A few AG Geminis have various megarears. 4635/6 have the green bonobos or whatever it is. 4524 has one. I think either 4644/8 has one aswell.
Quote from: MW on September 06, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
A few AG Geminis have various megarears. 4635/6 have the green bonobos or whatever it is. 4524 has one. I think either 4644/8 has one aswell.
4023; 4524; 4635; 4636; 4637; 4644 are the AG buses with megarears
Quote from: MW on September 06, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
A few AG Geminis have various megarears. 4635/6 have the green bonobos or whatever it is. 4524 has one. I think either 4644/8 has one aswell.
Are they those Twycros zoo adverts? Think 4828 has one of them
@MW
Quote from: 2206 on September 06, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
Are they those Twycros zoo adverts? Think 4828 has one of them @MW
4827/8/9 has the Twycross Zoo ads
Quote from: John on September 06, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
4827/8/9 has the Twycross Zoo ads
Thanks
@John definetley knew the one on the 94 had it.
Platinum on the 829. IIRC, this does go onto the 900 later in the day? Hence why I haven't posted this in the NW thread.
The platinum was 6704.
Quote from: clayderman on September 07, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Platinum on the 829. IIRC, this does go onto the 900 later in the day? Hence why I haven't posted this in the NW thread.
I didn't think any of the 9/829 journies had anything to do with a 900 board but stand to be corrected.
Quote from: Mike K on September 07, 2015, 04:40:27 PM
I didn't think any of the 9/829 journies had anything to do with a 900 board but stand to be corrected.
I think after the 829 they run Out Of Service to Quinton 9 back to City Centre and Out Of Service to Garage.
When will the naming of a envrio in
Memory or the late Ronnie Morgan take place
Can anybody shed some light on why there is a B5LH demonstrator with eclipse 3 bodywork at BC as correct me if I am wrong but the eclipse 2 hybrids also run on the B5LH chassis
More potential hybrids for 2016? Or trialing two door system?
Quote from: dw1308 on September 10, 2015, 12:32:04 PM
Can anybody shed some light on why there is a B5LH demonstrator with eclipse 3 bodywork at BC as correct me if I am wrong but the eclipse 2 hybrids also run on the B5LH chassis
If it's there for evaluation purposes I would assume it's to look at the newer Euro 6 version compared with the Euro 5 versions they currently have.
Is this one actually going to be used in service?
@Dylanbusboy45 seeing it there with a cash chute in makes me think it might well be.
Quote from: Dom on September 10, 2015, 04:15:00 PM
@Dylanbusboy45 seeing it there with a cash chute in makes me think it might well be.
I hope what I say next won't spiral into something too off topic, but seeing the cash vault, I can't help but agree with
@Dom - and now I'm wondering what service it may appear on, that's to say if it definitely will in the first place... I'm thinking 97.
In other news, I'm quite enjoying the WA E400s at BC. The 488*s are good, in my perspective. I did get on 4874 this afternoon, which I thought was fine... Up until Paradise Circus; where it became a total snail. Also, whilst on 4874, an UNID B7RLE was on a 24 in the opposite direction, towards Woodgate Valley.
Quote from: clayderman on September 10, 2015, 07:58:05 PM
I hope what I say next won't spiral into something too off topic, but seeing the cash vault, I can't help but agree with @Dom - and now I'm wondering what service it may appear on, that's to say if it definitely will in the first place... I'm thinking 97.
In other news, I'm quite enjoying the WA E400s at BC. The 488*s are good, in my perspective. I did get on 4874 this afternoon, which I thought was fine... Up until Paradise Circus; where it became a total snail. Also, whilst on 4874, an UNID B7RLE was on a 24 in the opposite direction, towards Woodgate Valley.
I kind of think it may be 22,23,24 as they are the hybrid routes, may sound a bit to the norm but it just seems like common sense IMO
Quote from: Dom on September 10, 2015, 08:01:11 PM
I kind of think it may be 22,23,24 as they are the hybrid routes, may sound a bit to the norm but it just seems like common sense IMO
@Dom I thought the 22 and 23 were already fully Hybrid so, maybe the spare Hybrid or, that one will make it onto the 97 if it dose enter service with NX
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2015, 08:27:03 PM
@Dom I thought the 22 and 23 were already fully Hybrid so, maybe the spare Hybrid or, that one will make it onto the 97 if it dose enter service with NX
Spare Hybrids go on the 24
Is the demonstrator going on the 24 then?
Quote from: Mike K on September 10, 2015, 02:47:13 PM
If it's there for evaluation purposes I would assume it's to look at the newer Euro 6 version compared with the Euro 5 versions they currently have.
Scrub that comment I've just seen the picture - I don't even think that's a Euro 6 version.
Edit: I'm talking (or typing) cobblers. A Google search suggests that is indeed a Euro 6.
Would be nice if the 97 got them, but how many 97 guna need? Around 28?
2141 on the 99
4633 and 4173? are on Pershore Rd today
4873 is on the 900 atm. It's just passed meriden en route to brum.
Is there any more news on this demonstrator? When it is entering service?
Don't think this has been mentioned - 4899 has gained a rear advert for eBay.
Quote from: AV4248 on September 16, 2015, 08:17:31 AM
Don't think this has been mentioned - 4899 has gained a rear advert for eBay.
There should be lots of them appearing
BC 4898; 4899; 4901; 4902
YW 4384; 4385
WN 4546; 4549; 4551
PB 4828; 4829
CV 4403; 4404; 4405
AG 4635; 4636
eBay hasn't reached Walsall or Stourbridge yet then!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 16, 2015, 03:38:48 PM
eBay hasn't reached Walsall or Stourbridge yet then!
Thank god!!!!!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 16, 2015, 03:38:48 PM
eBay hasn't reached Walsall or Stourbridge yet then!
Ebay choose which garage they advertise at
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
Ebay choose which garage they advertise at
Just a thought, but do they choose the fact that all their advertising on Birmingham Central buses will be permanently confined to the Pershore Road corridor?
Seems strange to put it on route branded vehicles, but I guess some of these carry the orang-utan adverts, and the Turkish airline adverts before that.
Looks like the green monkey bonobos advert is going then?
Is that volvo hybrid demostrator still at bc?
One of the 213* Volvo B7RLE has broken down at the Yew Tree looks like 2134 or, 2138
Theres a Platinum on the 829... Again! It is the generic branded ones - meaning that it could be one of:
- 6701, 6702 or 6716 onwards.
According to the Noteworthy spreadsheet, its still not the allocated vehicle type (obviously) - although, I have been seeing Platinums crop up on the 829 for a while - hence why I mention it in the BC thread, rather than the NW Thread.
Quote from: Chris on September 17, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
Is that volvo hybrid demostrator still at bc?
It is currently at Bordesley, I need to go and find it as apparently it has visited the paintshop last week, no idea what it looks like now it wasn't a full repaint
My brother says there is a platinum vehicle on the. 9/829 most days, shame he works in Stourbridge not brum
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
It is currently at Bordesley, I need to go and find it as apparently it has visited the paintshop last week, no idea what it looks like now it wasn't a full repaint
I was thinking about this demonstrator yesterday, and wondered at the possibility of it being evaluated as a 'Sprint' vehicle (being a dual-door double-deck). As I find it unlikely that NX would be looking to purchase more hybrids without Green Bus funding for regular passenger service.
I think a lot of people have assumed that the Sprint buses will be bendi-buses, but I do recall from perusing the Birmingham Connected documents that other types of vehicle were being considered also, including dual-door double-deckers.
Will be interesting to see how it's been repainted!
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
It is currently at Bordesley, I need to go and find it as apparently it has visited the paintshop last week, no idea what it looks like now it wasn't a full repaint
Hmmm interesting that its at Bordesley? Look forward to see what sort of repaint it has had
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
It is currently at Bordesley, I need to go and find it as apparently it has visited the paintshop last week, no idea what it looks like now it wasn't a full repaint
At WA yesterday with nx logos
6715/16 just been on midlands today part of keeping the midlands moving. Interesting national express seeing 10 % increase on people using the buses. Whilst in contrast first potteries experience a drop in numbers
Quote from: Chris on September 22, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
6715/16 just been on midlands today part of keeping the midlands moving. Interesting national express seeing 10 % increase on people using the buses. Whilst in contrast first potteries experience a drop in numbers
You can't compare NXWM and First Potteries, they're both in totally different leagues with their own merits.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 22, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
You can't compare NXWM and First Potteries, they're both in totally different leagues with their own merits.
I am not comparing them it was said on the article Midlands Today was comparing Stoke on Trent and Birmingham. Only mention it in the BC thread as 6715/16
Quote from: Chris on September 22, 2015, 06:06:59 PM
I am not comparing them it was said on the article Midlands Today was comparing Stoke on Trent and Birmingham. Only mention it in the BC thread as 6715/16
Typical media halfwits then...
Quote from: Chris on September 22, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
6715/16 just been on midlands today part of keeping the midlands moving. Interesting national express seeing 10 % increase on people using the buses. Whilst in contrast first potteries experience a drop in numbers
https://www.facebook.com/midlandstoday/videos/10153613593929761/
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 22, 2015, 06:01:47 PM
You can't compare NXWM and First Potteries, they're both in totally different leagues with their own merits.
Indeed, but it does not send out a particularly good message about Firsts ability. Especially as you would expect a bus operator to do reasonably well in an urban area with low car ownership like Stoke-on-Trent. You do wonder if Potteries, like Wigan and the Redditch/Kidderminster operation will be the next piece to go. At least NXWM have got a bit of get up and go to go after extra passengers.
808 on the X64 now - was on the 24 this morning; seen it leaving Colmore Row around 16:00 NIS
Has 4881 been reported as moving across to BC yet (apologies if I've missed it)?
It's on the 22/23 today.
Still not seen 4877.
Quote from: Mike K on September 25, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
Has 4881 been reported as moving across to BC yet (apologies if I've missed it)?
It's on the 22/23 today.
Still not seen 4877.
Hasn't anybody mentioned 4881? I just got off it! It's been quite a while now... Rode it a couple times on the 24, as for 4877 - i'd usually find it on the 24. I'll let you know if I see it today,
@Mike K
Quote from: Mike K on September 25, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
Has 4881 been reported as moving across to BC yet (apologies if I've missed it)?
It's on the 22/23 today.
Still not seen 4877.
4877 on the 45/47
Quote from: clayderman on September 25, 2015, 08:29:45 AM
Hasn't anybody mentioned 4881? I just got off it! It's been quite a while now... Rode it a couple times on the 24, as for 4877 - i'd usually find it on the 24. I'll let you know if I see it today, @Mike K
Cheers Clayderman, me not paying attention then.
Quote from: Mike K on September 25, 2015, 08:42:47 AM
Cheers Clayderman, me not paying attention then.
You weren't the only one - I had 4881 still at WA as well. BC have 4872-84 & remaining at WA 4857-71, of that batch.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 25, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
You weren't the only one - I had 4881 still at WA as well. BC have 4872-84 & remaining at WA 4857-71, of that batch.
And me!
Is there many E400s on the 61/63 now as BC have 4872-4884 and 4940-4949 all unbranded?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 25, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
Is there many E400s on the 61/63 now as BC have 4872-4884 and 4940-4949 all unbranded?
Occasional enough to not be considered in the least sense of noteworthy. Standard allocation is E400/Tridents.
Got on the first 900A this morning - 2:55 from moor st, and it seemed pretty well used. Last time I got the first bus was when it was at 4am and there was only a couple of people on it, so it seems to be picking up!
If not already mentioned, 4912 is now 45/47 branded which only leaves 4913 to be branded out of 4895-4913. Saw 4912 about 10 mins ago heading towards City Centre on 47 at Turves Green.
It didn't take 4152 long to get back home did it! Its only recently moved out! I assume its a loan?
@Tony Do you know where 70 from Solihull is
Suppose to be due at Sheaf Lane (Sheldon Wheatsheaf) 0908 to Birmingham
@John 2116 has been on the 24 all day, IIRC. Transfer, I'm assuming - although, with a forum search, there's been no mention of it.
Also - it seems as if they've rectified the typo with the 23A display... No longer does it display '23A
Kiwell & Woodgate' - yes, "
Kiwell" - but it now scrolls, and replaced the '&' with the actual word, 'and'. Shame the 29A still shows 'via
Haborne' - not "
Harborne".
Quote from: clayderman on September 29, 2015, 07:16:39 PM
@John 2116 has been on the 24 all day, IIRC. Transfer, I'm assuming - although, with a forum search, there's been no mention of it.
Also - it seems as if they've rectified the typo with the 23A display... No longer does it display '23A Kiwell & Woodgate' - yes, "Kiwell" - but it now scrolls, and replaced the '&' with the actual word, 'and'. Shame the 29A still shows 'via Haborne' - not "Harborne".
I saw it, just forgot to mention it ::)
Assuming 2120 will complete the set, that's a healthy wedge of 37 B7RLEs BC has now to cover the 29/A, 58/59 and 98. No idea what the combined PVRs of that lot is, but I'm sure it can't be that high.
Quote from: Mike K on September 29, 2015, 11:32:35 PM
Assuming 2120 will complete the set, that's a healthy wedge of 37 B7RLEs BC has now to cover the 29/A, 58/59 and 98. No idea what the combined PVRs of that lot is, but I'm sure it can't be that high.
Word on the street is the 29 will be going back to deckers. Big changes rumoured for November - maybe the singles are for the 25 & 26...
Quote from: AndrewLee on September 30, 2015, 06:59:45 AM
Word on the street is the 29 will be going back to deckers. Big changes rumoured for November - maybe the singles are for the 25 & 26...
You're teasing us there Andrew. I'm guessing revised / replacement versions of the 99 (part of) and 98 respectively, if they happen. 29 going DD would presumably mean another sizeable vehicle reallocation.
On the subject of extra B7RLEs, 2124 and 2136 are on the 99 and 24 respectively this morning.
Quote from: Mike K on September 30, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
You're teasing us there Andrew. I'm guessing revised / replacement versions of the 99 (part of) and 98 respectively, if they happen. 29 going DD would presumably mean another sizeable vehicle reallocation.
On the subject of extra B7RLEs, 2124 and 2136 are on the 99 and 24 respectively this morning.
As is 2137. (24)
Quote from: Mike K on September 30, 2015, 08:19:14 AM
You're teasing us there Andrew. I'm guessing revised / replacement versions of the 99 (part of) and 98 respectively, if they happen. 29 going DD would presumably mean another sizeable vehicle reallocation.
On the subject of extra B7RLEs, 2124 and 2136 are on the 99 and 24 respectively this morning.
@Mike K i take it 98 is rumoured curtailed between QE and Rubery, 99 between QE to Halesowen or merry hill then?
Quote from: Chris on September 30, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
@Mike K i take it 98 is rumoured curtailed between QE and Rubery, 99 between QE to Halesowen or merry hill then?
I've no idea what's rumoured to be happening other than the suggested changes on here to the 99 (QE to Merry Hill) and a possible replacement for the section of the route between city, QE and possibly Harborne or Quinton (Andrew Lee has mentioned a route 25 a couple of times?). The rest is just a wild guess from me. I know nothing of any possible changes to the 98.
813 parked up on priory queensway waiting to go on to 99 in replace of 2139 is this a loan
Quote from: Mike K on September 30, 2015, 12:34:57 PM
I've no idea what's rumoured to be happening other than the suggested changes on here to the 99 (QE to Merry Hill) and a possible replacement for the section of the route between city, QE and possibly Harborne or Quinton (Andrew Lee has mentioned a route 25 a couple of times?). The rest is just a wild guess from me. I know nothing of any possible changes to the 98.
15th November guna bring some interesting changes, suppose its waiting game now
Quote from: Mike K on September 29, 2015, 11:32:35 PM
Assuming 2120 will complete the set, that's a healthy wedge of 37 B7RLEs BC has now to cover the 29/A, 58/59 and 98. No idea what the combined PVRs of that lot is, but I'm sure it can't be that high.
I've assumed 2120 is coming over to BC - is 2115 still at AG, and where will that one be heading? (if it hasn't already left).
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 30, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
I've assumed 2120 is coming over to BC - is 2115 still at AG, and where will that one be heading? (if it hasn't already left).
2115/16 still AG? would of thought they would go to WN to join 2112/13/14?
Quote from: Chris on September 30, 2015, 03:33:11 PM
2115/16 still AG? would of thought they would go to WN to join 2112/13/14?
2116 seems to have come to BC, it was on the 24 all day yesterday. Which seem to be a commonplace for some of them at the moment, I find.
Update: (16:02)
Just passed 813. Like mentioned, on the 99 - however it's running within 2 minutes of 807, at the moment in Harborne; Talk about reliability! ::)
Quote from: clayderman on September 30, 2015, 03:54:14 PM
2116 seems to have come to BC, it was on the 24 all day yesterday. Which seem to be a commonplace for some of them at the moment, I find.
Update: (16:02)
Just passed 813. Like mentioned, on the 99 - however it's running within 2 minutes of 807, at the moment in Harborne; Talk about reliability! ::)
PB 764 is also out the 99
813 has been on loan to BC before. I think it was January 2013 and I remember seeing it on the 45 in the snow.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 30, 2015, 05:16:08 PM
813 has been on loan to BC before. I think it was January 2013 and I remember seeing it on the 45 in the snow.
It was new to BC in January 2013 and was not a loan
@Dylanbusboy45
Quote from: notepanel on September 30, 2015, 05:03:26 PM
PB 764 is also out the 99
Interesting... Couple of the locals must be thinking "has these buses shrunk?" Haha! Mind you, SWB E200s, despite the minimal capacity for a "popular" ( ::) ) route, it must do wonders around Worlds End! ;)
@clayderman probably more nifty at the tight bits!
Yet more problems with BC's native E200s?
Not sure if mentioned and apologies if it is, but 2120 was out on BC routes yesterday.
4437 is out on the 14 today thought this bus was transferred?
Quote from: Hayley1985 on October 01, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
4437 is out on the 14 today thought this bus was transferred?
Not moved yet, it is still due at PN
Quote from: Hayley1985 on October 01, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
4437 is out on the 14 today thought this bus was transferred?
It's due to go to PE, but hasn't gone yet.
I would expect it might transfer over this weekend with the end of the Mercs.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 01, 2015, 12:23:28 AM
Not sure if mentioned and apologies if it is, but 2120 was out on BC routes yesterday.
Tuesday? I think I saw it on the 59...
6701 attended Coach and Bus live at the NEC today and yesterday .
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 01, 2015, 08:13:55 PM
6701 attended Coach and Bus live at the NEC today and yesterday .
Not far off route then ;)
Regarding B7RLE's appearing on the 99 most afternoons as mentioned in the 'Noteworthy' thread; from 20th September there are peak extra boards added in the morning and afternoon. Looks like these vehicle allocations will become the norm.
Quote from: AndrewLee on October 01, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
Regarding B7RLE's appearing on the 99 most afternoons as mentioned in the 'Noteworthy' thread; from 20th September there are peak extra boards added in the morning and afternoon. Looks like these vehicle allocations will become the norm.
I thought B7Rle's had problems getting around the 99 route?
I'm losing track of which B7RLEs have been reported st BC but 2115 is on the 29A today bringing the current allocation to 38. Apologies if already reported.
Quote from: Mike K on October 02, 2015, 08:52:34 AM
I'm losing track of which B7RLEs have been reported st BC but 2115 is on the 29A today bringing the current allocation to 38. Apologies if already reported.
Yes BC now have all of 2115-2152.
X64 should now be single deck
4902 has been partially debranded of the Bonobos ad. Looks messy, but progress, nonetheless. Also, you can still make out the 900 branding underneath.
Thanks for info
@Tony I have removed the post from thread
4884 now named Ronnie Morgan
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4884.html
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2015, 07:00:52 PM
4884 now named Ronnie Morgan
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4884.html
That's a nice touch. Was Cannon Hill Park used for some sort of unveiling ceremony?
Quote from: Mike K on October 08, 2015, 07:12:42 PM
That's a nice touch. Was Cannon Hill Park used for some sort of unveiling ceremony?
Yes, the name was applied this morning and his sister and a few friends came to BC to see it, so I took them to Cannon Hill Park in the bus to get some photos in the sun
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2015, 07:00:52 PM
4884 now named Ronnie Morgan
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4884.html
Aww :'(, it should've been an ALX400, but atleast it's on now.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 08, 2015, 07:22:59 PM
Aww :'(, it should've been an ALX400, but atleast it's on now.
No it shouldn't have been an ALX, It should be what his family wanted
His family wanted a bus that would turn up on the Pershore Road, and 4884 should still be around in 14 years time carrying his name
Wasn't the plan to have a Pershore Road branded bus named after him?
Quote from: Stu on October 08, 2015, 07:48:44 PM
Wasn't the plan to have a Pershore Road branded bus named after him?
All of those already have names from their 900/957 days
Tony, I have to ask l, if NX ever approached you about naming a bus after you due to your esteemed service at the company, which bus would you choose
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 08, 2015, 08:06:09 PM
Tony, I have to ask l, if NX ever approached you about naming a bus after you due to your esteemed service at the company, which bus would you choose
Few more years before that happens
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Few more years before that happens
Will that happen after you retire or something?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 08, 2015, 08:26:17 PM
Will that happen after you retire or something?
The buses named after employees are mostly the ones who have achieved 50 years service
bet you feel like you have done eh tony lol
4191 makes an appearance on the 23. Currently inbound to Birmingham - seen Harborne High Street. Haven't seen a Trident on the 22/23 in a while.
Quote from: clayderman on October 09, 2015, 08:23:24 AM
4191 makes an appearance on the 23. Currently inbound to Birmingham - seen Harborne High Street. Haven't seen a Trident on the 22/23 in a while.
Ares you sure it is 4191 as it is allocated to PN
Quote from: RS on October 09, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
Ares you sure it is 4191 as it is allocated to PN
It's 4181, 4191 is actually parked in PB garage at the moment
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
It's 4181, 4191 is actually parked in PB garage at the moment
What's 4191 doing at PB?
4884 Ronnie Morgan is on Bristol Road 61/63 today. As are 2 14 branded Tridents, 4626 and 4627 which were travelling in convoy through Selly Oak.
Quote from: RS on October 09, 2015, 08:38:05 AM
What's 4191 doing at PB?
Having work done on it more than likely
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2015, 07:33:38 PM
4884 should still be around in 14 years
Ugh, that's highly unfortunate.
The only reason I'd like to see 4884 in 14 years is to remember Ronnie, apart from that I hope they get scrapped before
4884 the bus named after r the late Ron
Morgan on 59 service just saw it on coventry rd by morrisons
A few minutes ago
Quote from: Solo1 on October 09, 2015, 04:59:07 PM
4884 the bus named after r the late Ron
Morgan on 59 service just saw it on coventry rd by morrisons
A few minutes ago
May have just been a peak board earlier then but was definitely on 61/63 this morning.
hiya how many hours do bus drivers do approximately on a sunday is it about 5 hours .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 02:28:58 PM
hiya how many hours do bus drivers do approximately on a sunday is it about 5 hours .
Drivers on the old contracts do an average of around 5 hours. New starters have to do an average of 7 hours 36 minutes wih a break in the middle
Looks like 2121 has been fitted with 2 hybrid seats towards front of bus
i saw a running board from a 50 a few years ago it stated 5 hours 23 minutes from 917 to 1440 on a sunday but in brackets it stated 5 hours 53 minutes where doe the extra half hour come from .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
i saw a running board from a 50 a few years ago it stated 5 hours 23 minutes from 917 to 1440 on a sunday but in brackets it stated 5 hours 53 minutes where doe the extra half hour come from .
Depends what you actually saw. Running boards do not normally have duty lengths on them
Quote from: John on October 13, 2015, 04:28:30 PM
Drivers on the old contracts do an average of around 5 hours. New starters have to do an average of 7 hours 36 minutes wih a break in the middle
I regularly get 5ish hour duties on Sunday's. Especially on the 5. You take out the bus from garage, do two full trips with a half hour break, sometimes an hour break in Solihull. And then bring it back to garage. Some good duties on the Widney rota.
so the 900 from brum to coventry starts at 510 on a sunday morning what time does his shift finish
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
so the 900 from brum to coventry starts at 510 on a sunday morning what time does his shift finish
Why don't you ask the driver next time you catch it? Nobody on here would know that. Maybe a BC driver.
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
so the 900 from brum to coventry starts at 510 on a sunday morning what time does his shift finish
2 trips and a airport probably
mw how do the rotas run on a sunday on the 72 run .
96 used to run along yorkminster drive in chelmsley before that it ran to winson green
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 09:44:56 PM
96 used to run along yorkminster drive in chelmsley before that it ran to winson green
You're thinking of two different 96 routes !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 14, 2015, 06:48:17 AM
You're thinking of two different 96 routes !
I think he made that obvious
what does 96 mean ???
Sat upstairs on 4884 today - went round the terminus on the 24. In the process I heard a lot of clicking (of a lighter?) and what I believe is the smell of burning/burnt plastic. I can't confirm for sure - but I think the person sitting behind me was trying to burn the back seat cover? The kind of scum buses attract, seriously...
As soon as the man got off, my friend 'investigated' the seat cover and found a black mark on the seat, not exactly morphed in any way, like the one's you'd find on 4495 - minimal damage in fact, but still serious had the situation been different.
Quote from: clayderman on October 14, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
Sat upstairs on 4884 today - went round the terminus on the 24. In the process I heard a lot of clicking (of a lighter?) and what I believe is the smell of burning/burnt plastic. I can't confirm for sure - but I think the person sitting behind me was trying to burn the back seat cover? The kind of scum buses attract, seriously...
As soon as the man got off, my friend 'investigated' the seat cover and found a black mark on the seat, not exactly morphed in any way, like the one's you'd find on 4495 - minimal damage in fact, but still serious had the situation been different.
Disgusting how people can and will do this to a bus, yet they wouldn't even dream of it if they were at home. Thankfully the situation wasn't as bad as it could have been - we all know what could have happened if something went differently here...
sorry to hear about what happened on 4884 . you could put it down to boredom but if youd have tackled this troublemaker hed have caused trouble for you which is what these people thrive on .hopefully the cameras on the bus should catch him .
Quote from: T840MAK on October 14, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
Disgusting how people can and will do this to a bus, yet they wouldn't even dream of it if they were at home. Thankfully the situation wasn't as bad as it could have been - we all know what could have happened if something went differently here...
That's the annoying part they would never do anything bad to their home. I think boredom has a part to play in it. By the way I like your Flickr images of aeroplanes
@T840MAK
Quote from: clayderman on October 14, 2015, 04:54:52 PM
Sat upstairs on 4884 today - went round the terminus on the 24. In the process I heard a lot of clicking (of a lighter?) and what I believe is the smell of burning/burnt plastic. I can't confirm for sure - but I think the person sitting behind me was trying to burn the back seat cover? The kind of scum buses attract, seriously...
As soon as the man got off, my friend 'investigated' the seat cover and found a black mark on the seat, not exactly morphed in any way, like the one's you'd find on 4495 - minimal damage in fact, but still serious had the situation been different.
Better be careful of burning plastic, breathing that in can cause serious harm to you.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 14, 2015, 07:19:17 PM
Better be careful of burning plastic, breathing that in can cause serious harm to you.
Well, a few windows were open... :-\ The smell was faint, but like I say - minimal damage, and not as bad as 4495's - however, who knows what the aftermath could've been had the story gone differently - and say, "accidentally" set the moquette on fire. ::)
Quote from: iansdavies on October 14, 2015, 05:31:30 PM
sorry to hear about what happened on 4884 . you could put it down to boredom but if youd have tackled this troublemaker hed have caused trouble for you which is what these people thrive on .hopefully the cameras on the bus should catch him .
Unfortunately, as he walked down the stairs, his hood was covering the top half of his face - judging by what I saw, I'd say around his mid 20s? His shenanigans wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I hope. Just found it amusing how he could be putting someone else's life, or in this case, THREE LIVES >:( - at risk. Also, at his age, I highly doubt he'd expect a 14 year old schoolboy to confront him. ::)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 14, 2015, 06:24:37 PM
That's the annoying part they would never do anything bad to their home. I think boredom has a part to play in it. By the way I like your Flickr images of aeroplanes @T840MAK
Why thank you
@Trident 4194!
Quote from: clayderman on October 14, 2015, 07:40:48 PM
Well, a few windows were open... :-\ The smell was faint, but like I say - minimal damage, and not as bad as 4495's - however, who knows what the aftermath could've been had the story gone differently - and say, "accidentally" set the moquette on fire. ::)
We've learnt that all too well in Sheffield this week, set fire to something and shove it down the back of a seat and then you've just withdrawn a bus 18 days prematurely. Even if it's boredom I cannot understand why anyone would do it.
these louts do it because they get kicks out of doing it something to brag about to their mates way of society im afraid
Quote from: iansdavies on October 14, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
these louts do it because they get kicks out of doing it something to brag about to their mates way of society im afraid
Totally agree with you. Funnily enough managed to hop 4884 myself last night. Thought it was a nice touch naming it after Ronnie Morgan.
Saw a Harborne branded Volvo B5L Hybrid pass the Swan shopping centre this afternoon
Dose anyone know what it was doing?
Quote from: 2206 on October 15, 2015, 04:01:27 PM
Saw a Harborne branded Volvo B5L Hybrid pass the Swan shopping centre this afternoon
Dose anyone know what it was doing?
I passed the Swan going in the opposite direction at the same time in brand new coach 93
Anyone noticed the displays on the Coventry Road buses today? Was on 4805(?) on the 16, went pass an exWA E400, on the 60 displaying its normal destination, and then alternating between that and "on diversion; enquire with driver" - saw it on a B7RLE, on the 59, also.
Quote from: clayderman on October 17, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
Anyone noticed the displays on the Coventry Road buses today? Was on 4805(?) on the 16, went pass an exWA E400, on the 60 displaying its normal destination, and then alternating between that and "on diversion; enquire with driver" - saw it on a B7RLE, on the 59, also.
Maybe in preparation for the Half Marathon tomorrow
Quote from: John on October 17, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
Maybe in preparation for the Half Marathon tomorrow
That would make a lot of sense, actually.
Quote from: clayderman on October 17, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
Anyone noticed the displays on the Coventry Road buses today? Was on 4805(?) on the 16, went pass an exWA E400, on the 60 displaying its normal destination, and then alternating between that and "on diversion; enquire with driver" - saw it on a B7RLE, on the 59, also.
Or possibly the buses were on diversion due to Birmingham City playing at home
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on October 17, 2015, 08:39:56 PM
Or possibly the buses were on diversion due to Birmingham City playing at home
They're not normally diverted Blues games are they? Or was there a good attendance with the mighty QPR being in town?
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2015, 09:59:01 PM
They're not normally diverted Blues games are they? Or was there a good attendance with the mighty QPR being in town?
It'll be worse in a fortnight when the dingles go
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2015, 09:59:01 PM
They're not normally diverted Blues games are they? Or was there a good attendance with the mighty QPR being in town?
The attendance at St. Andrews was 19,161 (Including Me and a few Friends) :)
Quote from: clayderman on October 17, 2015, 06:30:25 PM
Anyone noticed the displays on the Coventry Road buses today? Was on 4805(?) on the 16, went pass an exWA E400, on the 60 displaying its normal destination, and then alternating between that and "on diversion; enquire with driver" - saw it on a B7RLE, on the 59, also.
That 'on diversion' display has been on there for some time but I can't remember what is was for though.
Quote from: Dom on October 17, 2015, 10:04:50 PM
It'll be worse in a fortnight when the dingles go
Sorry for going off topic, but have to ask
@Dom who the "Dingles" are?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 17, 2015, 10:12:47 PM
Sorry for going off topic, but have to ask @Dom who the "Dingles" are?
Wolves buddy :)
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2015, 09:59:01 PM
They're not normally diverted Blues games are they? Or was there a good attendance with the mighty QPR being in town?
Not sure, sometimes I pass there and the Coventry road is closed, or see on Twitter that the buses are being diverted
4158 (Lionsgate)
4159 (Bond film)
are two more with full size side adverts on
before the drivers start their shift and book on their bus does this get added on to their duty time of 7 h 36m making it 7h 52m .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 19, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
before the drivers start their shift and book on their bus does this get added on to their duty time of 7 h 36m making it 7h 52m .
Within the duty time.
so thats 30 minutes then or is it 15 minutes plus journey time dead running .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 19, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
so thats 30 minutes then or is it 15 minutes plus journey time dead running .
0700 - Book on
0715 - Depart BC
1015 - Relief New St
1100 - Take over New St
1410 - Relief New St
1425 - Book off
7hr 25 total duty time inc. breaks
Or
1200 book on
1230 Take over New St
1630 Relief
1730 Take over New St
2036 Garage
8hr 36 total duty time inc breaks
Make sense?
thanks but no it doesnt make any sense does that apply to all routes at bc
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 10:38:52 AM
thanks but no it doesnt make any sense does that apply to all routes at bc
Yes, although book on time varies depending on route. Harborne has 40minutes but Adderley Street services has 20.
Duties change variably of course.
and this applies to sunday services aswell
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 10:57:26 AM
and this applies to sunday services aswell
To new starters, yes
Old contract is on 5hr 40 duties.
Such as:
0545 book on
0600 leave BC
1120 relief Upper Dean St
1140 book off
so theres alot of paperwork driving and walking i find it fascinating .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
so theres alot of paperwork driving and walking i find it fascinating .
Not really. Bus driving involves very little
Just your diary where you write your allocates duty down, and VCR (vehicle condition report)
so the very first 900 from brum leaves the city at 510 so the driver will book on at 450 or 455 and will have finished his duty at 953 or 1006 and book off 15 minutes later .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
so the very first 900 from brum leaves the city at 510 so the driver will book on at 450 or 455 and will have finished his duty at 953 or 1006 and book off 15 minutes later .
No
He'll book on at 0445, leave depot 0500, arrive and depart city at 0510
As for the finishing time, I don't know, but on that route you could work it out using timetables .. Easy enough
on sunday morning the 957 leaves solihull at 710 what time will the driver book on and leave the garage for solihull .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 11:48:33 AM
on sunday morning the 957 leaves solihull at 710 what time will the driver book on and leave the garage for solihull .
I believe they're givern 25 minutes to run dead to Solihull, so it should be 0630 book on, 0645 depart bc
so 3 crews do 3 duties from 645 till 2413 when the bus gets back to garage finishing in solihull at 2348
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
so 3 crews do 3 duties from 645 till 2413 when the bus gets back to garage finishing in solihull at 2348
3 drivers each do 3 duties from the same running board, yes.
so the 97 at chelmsley leaving there at 922 leaves garage at 852
also if youre duty starts in digbeth its 15 minutes plus 5 minutes on the coventry road routes
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 03:55:24 PM
so the 97 at chelmsley leaving there at 922 leaves garage at 852
Yes, presumably. and books on 0837 theoretically
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 06:29:50 PM
also if youre duty starts in digbeth its 15 minutes plus 5 minutes on the coventry road routes
No.
Its book on, say, 1000, and you start on the road at Adderley St at 1020.
Book on time varies according to which route, if you take over on the road. All routes out of garage have 15 minutes in the morning to do VCR check, 10mins if you leave base in the afternoon.
Harborne has 40 or 45 mins book on (can't recall exactly maybe @BC Driver can help)
New Street buses, Great Park Pershore Bristol has 30 mins
70 has an hour I expect to get to Mackadown , or 1/2hr city relief , same for the 14
97/Coventry road has 20mins book on
Helps, I hope
does the driver always drive the bus behind him is that how it works
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
does the driver always drive the bus behind him is that how it works
Wow, that would be a clever trick!
Quote from: iansdavies on October 20, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
does the driver always drive the bus behind him is that how it works
@iansdavies I have absolutely zero idea how that works.
I mean me and pals many years ago used to ruin the service by leaving late , we all leave at the same time like 30mins late and race to town, straight down Corp St and back out again just to do it again on your next trip! Good, but very bad, old days ha ha ha
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 20, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
@iansdavies I have absolutely zero idea how that works.
I mean me and pals many years ago used to ruin the service by leaving late , we all leave at the same time like 30mins late and race to town, straight down Corp St and back out again just to do it again on your next trip! Good, but very bad, old days ha ha ha
@iansdavies Your not on about stepping back are you?
very funny chaps i see the daftness behind that last question yer may mock
ah well after my blonde moment can i ask if a driver starts in digbeth at 633 on the 58 route that would be book on 15 minutes and 5 minutes to digbeth .
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 02:29:26 PM
ah well after my blonde moment can i ask if a driver starts in digbeth at 633 on the 58 route that would be book on 15 minutes and 5 minutes to digbeth .
Is that the one which starts journey outbound at Adderley St? If so then yes.
So that duty would start 0613, leave depot 0628 start service 0633 Add-outbound
so that would be 613 plus 725 finish at 1338
5501 was emerging, not in service, from Richmond Hill Rd and doing a right at the mini roundabout onto Pritchatts Rd in Edgbaston at around 3 o'clock. Not a route normally taken by buses whether in service or not. I know there was an RTA causing problems close to the White Swan in the morning rush hour but surely nothing to do with that this much later in the day?
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 03:54:47 PM
so that would be 613 plus 725 finish at 1338
Not particularly. Chances are he'll do that 0633 departure from Add St, and then probably another round 59, then relief outbound, have an hour break, then back on for two or three 60's
You don't know until you look at the duty sheets.
7h 51m 613 start 1026 break 1124 start 1404 finish ( 413 + 240 + 58 break )
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 10:06:20 PM
7h 51m 613 start 1026 break 1124 start 1404 finish ( 413 + 240 + 58 break )
Did you get those times off the timetable?
no im very clever liverpool street mmmmmmmmmmm yes i did
when you mentioned 7 h 25m it should have been 7h 52m
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 10:16:52 PM
when you mentioned 7 h 25m it should have been 7h 52m
This is getting very boring and monotonous now. LS has explained how duties are made up, we don't need 200 examples
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 10:25:30 PM
who are you? no ones asking you to read it ,its helping me in my education because ive been fascinated by it for years so if you dont like it switch to another channel
Who is he? Tony is the owner of this establishment and can say what he likes....
He is right, its getting very boring now. We don't want to read hundreds of pages about duties. If you are interested about it, then PM LS. That way we don't have to trawl through pages of crap
Anyway, i was told there was a Trident on the X64 today. Is this still a common occurance as i recall someone mentioning that it has gone back to single deck operation?
go away you silly men
Quote from: Nathan on October 21, 2015, 10:28:06 PM
Anyway, i was told there was a Trident on the X64 today. Is this still a common occurance as i recall someone mentioning that it has gone back to single deck operation?
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 07:43:04 PM
The X64 is now booked all single deck, but for obvious reasons is first choice for doubles if not enough singles are available
still common one or, two on there oftenly
Quote from: Nathan on October 21, 2015, 10:28:06 PM
Who is he? Tony is the owner of this establishment and can say what he likes....
He is right, its getting very boring now. We don't want to read hundreds of pages about duties. If you are intrested about it, then PM LS. That way we don't have to trawl through pages of crap
Anyway, i was told there was a Trident on the X64 today. Is this still a common occurance as i recall someone mentioning that it has gone back to single deck operation?
It was posted that it's booked for B7RLEs but is the first to receive a DD if there isn't a single available.
Quote from: Mike K on October 21, 2015, 10:39:14 PM
It was posted that it's booked for B7RLEs but is the first to receive a DD if there isn't a single available.
Ah right, Cheers. Haven't observed Mon-Sat X64's for a while.
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 10:30:01 PM
go away you silly men
Thats the owner and a knowledgeable forum member your referring to their !
I understand your willingness to learn although this particular thread isn't the best medium, your best bet is messaging a willing member of forum (Ideally a driver) and they can convey the necessary information.
I hardly knew a thing when I joined this forum but the good people here were kind enough to give me the peripherals of the NXWM !
Hey guys I was just wondering is 4633 the only alx400 bodied bus with the euro 4/5? Thanks
Quote from: Trident4590 on October 21, 2015, 11:41:04 PM
Hey guys I was just wondering is 4633 the only alx400 bodied bus with the euro 4/5? Thanks
No, 4177 & 4586 (as well as a few others that I can't remember) have Euro 4, and in 4177's case, Euro 5.
Quote from: iansdavies on October 21, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
no im very clever liverpool street mmmmmmmmmmm yes i did
With comments like that don't expect my help any further.
Quote from: Alex on October 21, 2015, 11:46:08 PM
No, 4177 & 4586 (as well as a few others that I can't remember) have Euro 4, and in 4177's case, Euro 5.
Thank you wasn't sure about 4586
Quote from: Trident4590 on October 21, 2015, 11:41:04 PM
Hey guys I was just wondering is 4633 the only alx400 bodied bus with the euro 4/5? Thanks
4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4178, 4179, 4186, 4619, 4633
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 22, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4178, 4179, 4186, 4619, 4633
Not forgetting WN's 4586
Thanks guy I'm going to look out for these
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 22, 2015, 07:26:22 AM
4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4178, 4179, 4186, 4619, 4633
4634 too
A robin has flew into the top deck of a trident that i'm currently on. Quite comical, although the strange beeping may indicate the driver opening the emergency exit to 'let it out'. I say "let it out" - more of a battle, as the driver had to retieve his clipboard from the cab! I found it humouous, to say the least!
ive just been the shop to get my newspapers and on my way a 97 passed me on my way out the shop another 97 passed me 5 minutes later why is that ?????
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
ive just been the shop to get my newspapers and on my way a 97 passed me on my way out the shop another 97 passed me 5 minutes later why is that ?????
Is it because they run every 5 minutes or so?
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
ive just been the shop to get my newspapers and on my way a 97 passed me on my way out the shop another 97 passed me 5 minutes later why is that ?????
Its a high frequency route, wait long enough you'll see loads !
you dont say
Well why ask why there were 2 buses in 5 minutes then?
you work it out youre a bus anorak
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
you work it out youre a bus anorak
Hahaha!! That's rich coming from you with your 1001 questions about booking on times and duties
yes mike k you are correct mate i like numbers and things like that so what was the problem with that
@iansdavies Can you please drop the attitude! Winston
do any of you ppl know what dd11 dd12 dd13 is how about a psu3 how about s16 s17 s19 and s21 are
@iansdavies - relevant to BC garage, how? Lose the attitude. LS
these are bus types ls i thought you were a bus spotter hahaha
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
these are bus types ls i thought you were a bus spotter hahaha
Yes and there is S23 as well, but asking the question in the way you did doesn't really make people want to answer you.
Saying " ppl " to me is a little offensive.
how about big bertha any idea she used to be a bus
ive been a fanatic since the midland red days so thats 48 years midland red used to operate all the services on chelmsley then wmpte took over the 163 and i was hooked the only reason i asked about bus rotas is because of my fanatacism with them im not boring really haha by the way big bertha is a tow vehicle
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
these are bus types ls i thought you were a bus spotter hahaha
Bus spotter? No.
I drove them long enough I don't need to spot them!
I hold a passing interest from working with them but that's it. I'm hardly an anorak.
Now fix your attitude please, you're upsetting people
look i dont have an attitude whatever that means if anbody has problems its you lot versus me im only sticking up for myself . if you dont like me then its youre problem not mine ,i have vast knowledge of midland red and wmpte buses of the 70s ,i dont care about todays plastic rubbish thats youre department , now stick youre attitudes .
Calm down
@iansdavies , you're getting rustled for no good reason.
However, be warned if you keep using language such as you've depicted, I will have to instigate disciplinary action.
Quote from: iansdavies on October 24, 2015, 11:05:59 PM
what a bunch of knobheads clear off
@ Ian Davies you'll be the one that is clearing off, for a new member you come across as though you want to start an arguement with various people, any more posts like above and you're gone! Consider that your one & only warning, Winston.
Is the 7:17 966 from Clock Garage still operated by BC?
thanks
Quote from: 2206 on October 25, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
Is the 7:17 966 from Clock Garage still operated by BC?
thanks
No, I don't think it has been for over a year now.
Quote from: notepanel on October 25, 2015, 08:28:56 PM
No, I don't think it has been for over a year now.
Thanks for the information
@notepanel
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 26, 2015, 03:30:09 PM
His profile says he's 48 but still should no better than how he did act @The Real 4778
@Squiz1971 @The Real 4778Can you both please be aware of Tony's latest rule, Winston
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2157.0
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
@Squiz1971 @The Real 4778
Can you both please be aware of Tony's latest rule, Winston
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2157.0
Sorry
@Winston I do now but I was making a general comment but wont do it again
Like my compadre I have removed my quote too
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
@Squiz1971 @The Real 4778
Can you both please be aware of Tony's latest rule, Winston
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2157.0
I am now aware and have deleted my presumably offending post!
Does anybody know what happened with the 900 around 10am today? As I did not see any going to either Brum or Cov until around 11am.
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 29, 2015, 01:19:34 PM
Does anybody know what happened with the 900 around 10am today? As I did not see any going to either Brum or Cov until around 11am.
Diversion on the Coventry Road. Was missing out the Coventry Road from the weatsheaf, and rejoining at the swan. Should have been Birmingham bound only, bus did see a coventry bound 900 using the diversion.
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 29, 2015, 01:19:34 PM
Does anybody know what happened with the 900 around 10am today? As I did not see any going to either Brum or Cov until around 11am.
A45 was closed in both direction between M42 & Wheatsheaf due to an serious accident early in the morning heard it on the news tho should now all be open
Thank You
@Matt.N0056 @Squiz1971 I hope everybody who was involved in the accident is OK.
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 29, 2015, 01:45:52 PM
Thank You @Matt.N0056 @Squiz1971 I hope everybody who was involved in the accident is OK.
YVW
@Rob2832 I haven't heard exact details regarding the crash as I first heard it on the travel news on Smooth
Nobody noticed the 99 stop been moved in halesowen
Quote from: karl724223 on October 29, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
Nobody noticed the 99 stop been moved in halesowen
Please clarify.
@RS Tridents aren't unusual on 45/47 as they mix in with the Enviro 400's
4879 on 957. Noteworthy?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2015, 01:26:43 AM
Please clarify.
99 been moved onto the 9/141 stand to brum
Could be ready for when pensnett take it over some time in 2016
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 30, 2015, 01:26:43 AM
Please clarify.
It's been moved onto the same stand as the 9 & 141 so now when the 99 is laying over the drivers decide to park half way along the stand so we have to pull in at an angle and leave the back end of our buses blocking the road like the 141 did Friday.
Quote from: pndriver on November 01, 2015, 04:22:41 PM
It's been moved onto the same stand as the 9 & 141 so now when the 99 is laying over the drivers decide to park half way along the stand so we have to pull in at an angle and leave the back end of our buses blocking the road like the 141 did Friday.
Isn't the 9 & 141 stand busy enough without the 99 being moved on to it as well?
As of this moment, three BC buses are bunched together on the 24, heading citybound - currently at Snow Hill. They are 4171, 4897 and 4942.
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2015, 04:21:11 PM
As of this moment, three BC buses are bunched together on the 24, heading citybound - currently at Snow Hill. They are 4171, 4897 and 4942.
Why are there still tridents on the 24? I thought there were enough Enviro 400s for the 24, Pershore Road and 60?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 02, 2015, 09:38:24 PM
Why are there still tridents on the 24? I thought there were enough Enviro 400s for the 24, Pershore Road and 60?
I haven't the foggiest, if I'm honest. Tridents on the 24 still seem to be a common occurrence, in my experience at least - the only other routes that uses the Tridents, in addition to the 97/A is the Bristol Road corridor, isn't it? And the 14, with their branded 46**'s?
Had that 'Spectre' branded Trident on the 24, going towards the terminus today - where I then caught 4897 into City Centre. 4942 was doing the 22/s - one of the two, but I saw the display change to the 24 at Centenary Square, when it overtook 4897.
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2015, 10:20:39 PM
I haven't the foggiest, if I'm honest. Tridents on the 24 still seem to be a common occurrence, in my experience at least - the only other routes that uses the Tridents, in addition to the 97/A is the Bristol Road corridor, isn't it? And the 14, with their branded 46**'s?
Had that 'Spectre' branded Trident on the 24, going towards the terminus today - where I then caught 4897 into City Centre. 4942 was doing the 22/s - one of the two, but I saw the display change to the 24 at Centenary Square, when it overtook 4897.
@claydermanthe 70 and 56 use the Tridents
and the 73 will from the 15th
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2015, 10:20:39 PM
I haven't the foggiest, if I'm honest. Tridents on the 24 still seem to be a common occurrence, in my experience at least - the only other routes that uses the Tridents, in addition to the 97/A is the Bristol Road corridor, isn't it? And the 14, with their branded 46**'s?
Had that 'Spectre' branded Trident on the 24, going towards the terminus today - where I then caught 4897 into City Centre. 4942 was doing the 22/s - one of the two, but I saw the display change to the 24 at Centenary Square, when it overtook 4897.
Tridents are far less common than they were, from my observations maybe only one or two a day on average, occasionally none. It is largely E400s supplemented with B5LHs from what I see.
Quote from: 2206 on November 02, 2015, 10:22:45 PM
@clayderman
the 70 and 56 use the Tridents
and the 73 will from the 15th
I assume that's when the 73 will be transferring? Forgot about the 70, and 56, though - the 56 only work during the evenings, IIRC?
Quote from: Mike K on November 02, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Tridents are far less common than they were, from my observations maybe only one or two a day on average, occasionally none. It is largely E400s supplemented with B5LHs from what I see.
Not entirely contradicting myself here, but I agree. The majority of the E400s on the 24 seem to be the exWA ones, I find - and even today, I believe that even the amount of B5's outweighed the numbers of Tridents? There may have been 3 or more Hybrids on the 24 today (saw three in Harborne this morning) - with at least 2 tridents? I may certainly be wrong here. :\
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2015, 11:16:25 PM
I assume that's when the 73 will be transferring? Forgot about the 70, and 56, though - the 56 only work during the evenings, IIRC?
Yes the 73 will transfer and the 70 will only operate between the City Centre and Chelmsley Wood on the 15th
The 56 interworcks with the 70 during the evenings and on Sundays. The only time the 56 operates.
@clayderman
Has anyone noticed 4164 has an overall ad? Very bright and eye catching.
It's rear ad didnt last long...
Saw 6709 on the 900 going to Coventry at the Yew Tree today going down Church Road towards the Swan with 2126 on the 58 going to Solihull behind it
Are they diverted?
4621 now has a purple overall ad for NatWest. Can't miss it, stands out a bit
Pulling onto my drive earlier and noticed that they've changed the flag outside.. the 62's not coming back is it?
Quote from: Russ Smith on November 06, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Pulling onto my drive earlier and noticed that they've changed the flag outside.. the 62's not coming back is it?
I sincerely hope so. Some of my earliest childhood bus memories are of the 62 Rednal route.
Quote from: Russ Smith on November 06, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Pulling onto my drive earlier and noticed that they've changed the flag outside.. the 62's not coming back is it?
Well perhaps they're gonna do what I thought they were going to do anyway.
62 remains the same except it serves the Q.E via the Selly Oak bypass, put onto the Bristol Rota. the "X64" leaves city like the current 98/99 to the Q.E, then onwards Normal route to Weoley Castle and such, (insert 21 route here), renumbered the 25, say.
The 99 is just the same just numbered 26 for neatness or what have you. And maybe shipped off to Pensnett.
Or this 62 in question is a WMSNT or Diamond incarnation.
Anyone know what happened to 4173? Front end gone, seen on a trailer last night, going down Garrison Lane
A 957 branded E400 MMC was Out Of Service in Acocks Green this morning
Is 4445 still got the Homsense Advert
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2015, 12:59:22 PM
Hadn't actually got into service when I checked, yes 6715 did a trip on the Bristol Road
Cheers
@Tony think that's a first.
4159 passed me this morning on Priory Queensway on the 14, confused the hell out of me because from a distance the overall Spectre advert made me think it was an Arriva bus
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 11, 2015, 04:01:02 PM
Now THAT'S a rare working.
Been informed that there's a Platinum on the 24? True? (Dying on the inside because it's one of my "commuting" services - haha! ::) )
Quote from: clayderman on November 12, 2015, 05:39:55 PM
Been informed that there's a Platinum on the 24? True? (Dying on the inside because it's one of my "commuting" services - haha! ::) )
Unless the GPS on one is working incorrectly - no
There are 16 on the 900/957 with 6703 & 6712 in garage
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
Unless the GPS on one is working incorrectly - no
There are 16 on the 900/957 with 6703 & 6712 in garage
Thanks for the clarity. :)
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
Unless the GPS on one is working incorrectly - no
There are 16 on the 900/957 with 6703 & 6712 in garage
Did see a 900 branded MMC heading outbound on the Bristol Road about... 16:30-17:00 Selly Oak area?
Saying that it might of been a trident.
Bad eyes.
There is a cider avert bus still going
24/29 are double decker. I presume they interwork still? 4873 seen on the 24 and a 550* on the 29.
Quote from: Nathan on November 15, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
24/29 are double decker. I presume they interwork still? 4873 seen on the 24 and a 550* on the 29.
Hybrids around Northfield L O L
Gonna look so weird seeing a hybrid with a 29 on the front! :D
Quote from: Hayley1985 on November 15, 2015, 05:36:13 PM
Gonna look so weird seeing a hybrid with a 29 on the front! :D
Not the first time. ;) One of them had ventured on the 29A?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3083.msg109257;topicseen#msg109257 (Reply #180)
It did look very weird when I saw it in Northfield!
Quote from: clayderman on November 15, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
Not the first time. ;) One of them had ventured on the 29A?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3083.msg109257;topicseen#msg109257 (Reply #180)
Until recently one of the late night 29s at least some nights of the week came off a 22/23 board so would see Hybrids.
Does this mean B7RLEs moving from BC and more deckers coming in?
Although it now goes to 'Woodgate' (it's actually Bartley Green), the 22s I've seen today have still been showing Kitwell.
Quote from: Mike K on November 15, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
Until recently one of the late night 29s at least some nights of the week came off a 22/23 board so would see Hybrids.
Does this mean B7RLEs moving from BC and more deckers coming in?
Were would the B7RLE go though?
They only got some for the X64 recently?
@Mike K
Quote from: 2206 on November 15, 2015, 06:36:59 PM
Were would the B7RLE go though?
They only got some for the X64 recently?
@Mike K
No idea. But the 29 must have a PVR of around 12 or 13 (random guess) and if it's now double decker, which it needs to be with the reduced frequency, I can't see where 38 B7RLEs would be needed. Unless something else has changed / is changing to single decker.
Quote from: Mike K on November 15, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
No idea. But the 29 must have a PVR of around 12 or 13 (random guess) and if it's now double decker, which it needs to be with the reduced frequency, I can't see where 38 B7RLEs would be needed. Unless something else has changed / is changing to single decker.
The B7RLE are needed for the 58/59 and 98 though
Why would all 38 leave
@Mike K ?
Quote from: 2206 on November 15, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
The B7RLE are needed for the 58/59 and 98 though
Why would all 38 leave @Mike K ?
Mike K never suggested all 38 would leave, only where all 38 would be required.
X64 should be B7RLE as well
Quote from: 2206 on November 15, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
The B7RLE are needed for the 58/59 and 98 though
Why would all 38 leave @Mike K ?
That's not what I said, I asked if B7RLEs would move away, but they couldn't all go as they are still needed for the X64, 58/9 and 98 as you say. I don't know the answer to any of this, just wondering if things would change with the 29 going double decker.
Quote from: Mike K on November 15, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
Although it now goes to 'Woodgate' (it's actually Bartley Green), the 22s I've seen today have still been showing Kitwell.
Although the 22 has been extended the blinds haven't been changed as not to confuse regular passengers. (According to the notice I read)
Re the X64 being single deck, this did happen but the last week it was pretty much all DD. Not sure what's going on there. I think an extra bus has been added due to the frequency increase...
4877 currently being put out by firemen. Engine fire. Currently parked under the bridge where the 957 route meets the 6/37 in Digbeth. Was a city bound 957.
Quote from: MW on November 15, 2015, 11:10:22 PM
4877 currently being put out by firemen. Engine fire. Currently parked under the bridge where the 957 route meets the 6/37 in Digbeth. Was a city bound 957.
I'd say SCRAP IT, was worthless anyway :P. How bad was the damage?
Quote from: MW on November 15, 2015, 11:10:22 PM
4877 currently being put out by firemen. Engine fire. Currently parked under the bridge where the 957 route meets the 6/37 in Digbeth. Was a city bound 957.
Scrap it.
Is everyone onboard ok?
It looked like no damage, to the body anyway. Just water sprayed into the engine compartment, with the fire exit open and the bus evacuated. Road was sealed off by police cars and two fire engines were present.
Quote from: MW on November 15, 2015, 11:48:25 PM
It looked like no damage, to the body anyway. Just water sprayed into the engine compartment, with the fire exit open and the bus evacuated. Road was sealed off by police cars and two fire engines were present.
Aw. Looks like it'll be back slowing everyone down in no time.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 15, 2015, 11:49:21 PM
Aw. Looks like it'll be back slowing everyone down in no time.
Made me lose my high hopes, atleast it wasn't the usual ALX this time.
4609 has just left Priory Queensway on the first 73 of the day.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 16, 2015, 07:18:41 AM
4609 has just left Priory Queensway on the first 73 of the day.
Cheers Michael :)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 16, 2015, 07:18:41 AM
4609 has just left Priory Queensway on the first 73 of the day.
4180, 4442 and 4632 also on 73 today.
Links to pics of 4180, 4442 & 4609 are in Photo Links. :)
Re deckers on the 29. I haven't seen one. All I have seen are B7RLEs
Maybe someone at BC can update the destination displays?
Today I've seen both a 70 to Solihull and a 70E to Chelmsley Wood.
6704 on the 29 today! 😄
Quote from: John on November 16, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
Re deckers on the 29. I haven't seen one. All I have seen are B7RLEs
There was a couple of Enviros on late nights yesterday (4946 was one), Sunday night was a 55xx
@Michael Bevan In relation to your post in the Noteworthy Workings thread, What's noteworthy about Tridents on the 24? They are always on there. Have been for years. Just that the majority of the buses on there are E400's.
Quote from: Nathan on November 20, 2015, 08:39:57 AM
@Michael Bevan In relation to your post in the Noteworthy Workings thread, What's noteworthy about Tridents on the 24? They are always on there. Have been for years. Just that the majority of the buses on there are E400's.
Don't suppose Michael knows 4609 transferred from WN recently? Was on the 73 yesterday.
Quote from: clayderman on November 20, 2015, 07:58:07 PM
Don't suppose Michael knows 4609 transferred from WN recently? Was on the 73 yesterday.
He does. He even reported it it on its first day transferred.
@OH25 i think the 24/29 interwork Evenings (And Sundays) so Double Deckers will be normal on there at night.
Apologies if i'm wrong.
Quote from: Nathan on November 20, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
@OH25 i think the 24/29 interwork Evenings (And Sundays) so Double Deckers will be normal on there at night.
Apologies if i'm wrong.
24 and 29 do still inter work evenings and Sundays. 2 B7RLEs on the 24, and one on the 22 this evening peak, along with 3 E400s and 4445 also on the 22/23. Harborne routes seem a real mixed bag of B5s, E400s and B7RLEs at the moment.
Quote from: Mike K on November 20, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
24 and 29 do still inter work evenings and Sundays. 2 B7RLEs on the 24, and one on the 22 this evening peak, along with 3 E400s and 4445 also on the 22/23. Harborne routes seem a real mixed bag of B5s, E400s and B7RLEs at the moment.
Yes I noticed this, didn't see no b7rles on 24 though. Was lucky enough to get 4445
BC 29 - 4940
BC 29 - 4941
also saw 4471 on a 97 go up and back down the Priory Queensway
Quote from: 2206 on November 21, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
BC 29 - 4940
BC 29 - 4941
also saw 4471 on a 97 go up and back down the Priory Queensway
Christmas diversions for park st services. 17/97 use Priory Queensway, back into Moor St. Coventry Rd services use Carrs lane, Albert St, back onto moor st to avoid car park traffic
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 21, 2015, 04:26:10 PM
Christmas diversions for park st services. 17/97 use Priory Queensway, back into Moor St. Coventry Rd services use Carrs lane, Albert St, back onto moor st to avoid car park traffic
I was wondering why I saw a 58 go up Carrs Lane
Quote from: Nathan on November 20, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
He does. He even reported it it on its first day transferred.
4608 is sitting in BP3 at BC as well!
5511 on 29. Just saw in Northfield heading to Frankley
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 22, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
5511 on 29. Just saw in Northfield heading to Frankley
This is normal now.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 22, 2015, 01:49:27 PM
This is normal now.
Indeed. 5505 and 5508 at least are also on the 24/29 which are now DD operated on a Sunday by the looks of things.
Quote from: Mike K on November 22, 2015, 02:59:33 PM
Indeed. 5505 and 5508 at least are also on the 24/29 which are now DD operated on a Sunday by the looks of things.
As i mentioned last week...
Quote from: Nathan on November 22, 2015, 03:05:19 PM
As i mentioned last week...
Indeed you did but it's not always possible to tell from day one how things will pan out. The 29 is mainly B7RLEs on other days but DDs haven't been uncommon this past week.
For anyone not on Facebook,
4466 will come back in Crimson. It has had its seats retrimmed in the red dot moquette
Quote from: Nathan on November 22, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
For anyone not on Facebook,
4466 will come back in Crimson. It has had its seats retrimmed in the red dot moquette
I am so excited for this! I've always wanted to see my favourite bus in a new livery.
Quote from: Nathan on November 22, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
For anyone not on Facebook,
4466 will come back in Crimson. It has had its seats retrimmed in the red dot moquette
Can't wait to see a alx400 in the new crimson
4466
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4466.html
I know deckers are becoming more commonplace on the 29 now, and are the norm on Sundays, but first time in a long while that I've seen a Trident on there; 4179 currently on a 29E to Northfield.
Quote from: Mike K on November 26, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I know deckers are becoming more commonplace on the 29 now, and are the norm on Sundays, but first time in a long while that I've seen a Trident on there; 4179 currently on a 29E to Northfield.
I haven't been over there in the week since the changes, is it still mostly B7RLE operated in the week or has it converted to Double Deck.
Quote from: Nathan on November 26, 2015, 01:35:58 PM
I haven't been over there in the week since the changes, is it still mostly B7RLE operated in the week or has it converted to Double Deck.
Seems to be both singles and doubles. Although I've only seen one decker on there, the rest have been B7RLEs
Quote from: John on November 26, 2015, 01:39:03 PM
Seems to be both singles and doubles. Although I've only seen one decker on there, the rest have been B7RLEs
Yes, I'd say a double decker in the week is still noteworthy, it's mainly still B7RLEs. Not been around much to notice, but I'd imagine with the reduced frequency that these can get very full at peak times or if one is running slightly late.
Nevertheless, I find with 'excess'(?) B7RLEs, a few more have appeared on the 24... Not such a good mix - especially with service changes. Almost always full from Moor Street. Wasn't this packed when buses still left from Colmore Row, imo. Would rather a decker for these journeys, tbf - but you can't win them all! :P
Despite this, I find the new route very useful :D. I quite like the Smallbrook Queensway stop (I've been using it *almost* everyday, since the changes.), as it also accommodates the 16/A services, (two of) my local routes.- and whilst on the topic of new stops, the stop on Livery Street is not too far from my other connections (the 101, on SH1)
@Tony Any idea where is 1802 and 1815 957's from Solihull are please
6702 passed earlier with not in service on boards
Quote from: James4368 on November 26, 2015, 06:26:17 PM
@Tony
Any idea where is 1802 and 1815 957's from Solihull are please
6702 passed earlier with not in service on boards
6714 which should be the 18:16 is currently stuck in the city centre after taking 90 minutes to get in on its last journey!
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
6714 which should be the 18:16 is currently stuck in the city centre after taking 90 minutes to get in on its last journey!
Okay cheers
@Tony
I know it's been said 1000 times, but what time do BC operate the 9?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
I know it's been said 1000 times, but what time do BC operate the 9?
Whatever time they follow a PN 9 or a 140/141 from Quinton
Re: 70/73 interworking
Would it not make more sense for inbound 70s to turn onto Moor Street Queensway and terminate there, so the buses can just do the loop of Carrs Lane and Albert Street to get to the 17 stop?
Because at the moment it's just another bus clogging up the "unload only" stop at the top of the Priory
Quote from: Kevin on December 01, 2015, 01:12:46 PM
Re: 70/73 interworking
Would it not make more sense for inbound 70s to turn onto Moor Street Queensway and terminate there, so the buses can just do the loop of Carrs Lane and Albert Street to get to the 17 stop?
Because at the moment it's just another bus clogging up the "unload only" stop at the top of the Priory
The 70 currently stops with the other Washwood Heath Road services though
Saw a 70 this morning about 9:30 on Washwood Heath Road 417* displaying Solihull instead of Chelmsley Wood thought it strange a driver error on the blind scrolled to the wrong destination unless not all BC buses have had the new destination programmed in. Can someone clarify if possible please ;D ;)
Quote from: 2206 on December 01, 2015, 04:18:41 PM
The 70 currently stops with the other Washwood Heath Road services though
Yeah, when loading on an outbound service, which makes sense. But the 73 going from there makes no sense at all.
I've heard rumours that the crimson tridents are having new doors, similar to the E400s. Can anyone confirm, I think it's BS but still...
98 set to be extended to serve Cofton Hackett:
http://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/councillors-campaign-pays-off-98-bus-rolls-serve-cofton-hackett/
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2015, 12:56:32 AM
98 set to be extended to serve Cofton Hackett:
http://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/councillors-campaign-pays-off-98-bus-rolls-serve-cofton-hackett/
Don't they mean the 25? Ha ha ha
Anyone know if 4466 will be in service by Saturday?
Sure I just saw 2140, the one that smashed into a tree near Five Ways, on the X64. Didn't look like it had any major repaint work, still had black destination surrounds unlike 2142.
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2015, 08:33:41 AM
Sure I just saw 2140, the one that smashed into a tree near Five Ways, on the X64. Didn't look like it had any major repaint work, still had black destination surrounds unlike 2142.
Yes, 2140 is back in service
@Tony No offence intended but it hasn't been mentioned about it being the same RB.
Quote from: Dom on December 03, 2015, 05:20:00 PM
@Tony No offence intended but it hasn't been mentioned about it being the same RB.
No, but every night we get an unusual working of a platinum on the 29, clue is it is being reported every night!
So does it come of a school service, or is it only for peak times?
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Yes, 2140 is back in service
Was hoping this would come back Crimson. The livery seems to suit every vehicle. These Volvos are great buses, be nice to see what it'll look like.
Quote from: AndrewLee on December 03, 2015, 11:35:54 PM
Was hoping this would come back Crimson. The livery seems to suit every vehicle. These Volvos are great buses, be nice to see what it'll look like.
Won't paint one offs, buses will be done in complete batches
Just spotted at 29 heading down swarthmore road towards Birmingham at 22.40 - must have followed the old route by mistake.
Quote from: sonic84 on December 04, 2015, 10:53:30 PM
Just spotted at 29 heading down swarthmore road towards Birmingham at 22.40 - must have followed the old route by mistake.
29 has been on diversion this week. From Northfield down the Bristol then swings a left at Griffins Brook Bridge. Name of the road escapes me...
4466 been on the 97 all day, but had been used as a change bus and is currently on the 24/29
4883 & 4943 both out on 957 today
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2015, 09:12:57 PM
4466 been on the 97 all day, but had been used as a change bus and is currently on the 24/29
i was on it for the last trip, looks really good so smart!
Quote from: Hayley1985 on December 08, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
i was on it for the last trip, looks really good so smart!
This livery really suits. Haven't seen it in person yet!
5517 involved in an RTC on Harborne Road. Buses diverted via Augustus Road - i'm assuming from Westfield Road
few buses targeted by flying rocks in Holly Hill tonight including my bfs 4947 just got hit :(
Quote from: Hayley1985 on December 12, 2015, 11:40:18 PM
few buses targeted by flying rocks in Holly Hill tonight including my bfs 4947 just got hit :(
What is the problem with these dirty, vile, feral weasel faced shellsuit wearing chavs around Frankley and Northfield? And so soon after someone's been seriously injured by a bus bricking in Ley Hill. It's a shame they can't be put down like vermin. The state of society today is thoroughly depressing.
Quote from: Mike K on December 12, 2015, 11:58:14 PM
What is the problem with these dirty, vile, feral weasel faced shellsuit wearing chavs around Frankley and Northfield? And so soon after someone's been seriously injured by a bus bricking in Ley Hill. It's a shame they can't be put down like vermin. The state of society today is thoroughly depressing.
When they are caught, should be automatic SEVERE jail sentence for who ever is responsible!!!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 13, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
When they are caught, should be automatic SEVERE jail sentence for who ever is responsible!!!!
What's going on with all this vandalism
Quote from: Trident4590 on December 13, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
What's going on with all this vandalism
Boredom, a lack of things to do and a general disregard for other peoples safety. Some I guess do it for a laugh and sod the consequences till they get caught of course and then they is in deep doodoo not like they really care though.
@Trident4590 Unfortunately it is todays society with internet & violent video games and the like make some "youths" think they are above the law so they think it is extremely funny to throw things at moving objects (cars, buses etc).
4618 is on 47 today.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 14, 2015, 12:17:42 PM
Boredom, a lack of things to do and a general disregard for other peoples safety. Some I guess do it for a laugh and sod the consequences till they get caught of course and then they is in deep doodoo not like they really care though.
@Trident4590 Unfortunately it is todays society with internet & violent video games and the like make some "youths" think they are above the law so they think it is extremely funny to throw things at moving objects (cars, buses etc).
I disagree. The reason these youths treat society like the way they do, in my opinion, is the strangulation parents are under from fear of being arrested for striking a child.
I do not advocate kicking the constant shit and abuse out of children, but in my day if you disrespected the ticket inspector he'd smack you around the head! Well, if you had the balls to badmouth him.
And somehow your parents always found out and you'd go to bed without dinner and then when dad comes home he'd belt you whilst you slumber.
Either that or smack you around your earhole with the piss-pot at the base of your bed.
Perhaps you'll need to reintroduce a compulsory service to sort these youngers out, unless they - are too busy with facebook and putting make-up on.
Bare faced cheekiness from kids in the street is the most annoying. They know they'd get hurt if WE were the ones to say 'screw the consequences'
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 14, 2015, 03:31:48 PM
I disagree. The reason these youths treat society like the way they do, in my opinion, is the strangulation parents are under from fear of being arrested for striking a child.
I do not advocate kicking the constant shit and abuse out of children, but in my day if you disrespected the ticket inspector he'd smack you around the head! Well, if you had the balls to badmouth him.
And somehow your parents always found out and you'd go to bed without dinner and then when dad comes home he'd belt you whilst you slumber.
Either that or smack you around your earhole with the piss-pot at the base of your bed.
Perhaps you'll need to reintroduce a compulsory service to sort these youngers out, unless they - are too busy with facebook and putting make-up on.
Bare faced cheekiness from kids in the street is the most annoying. They know they'd get hurt if WE were the ones to say 'screw the consequences'
@Liverpool Street You are right of course the "You hit me & I'll sue/get you arrested for assault" culture has a lot to answer for. I agree with what you say LS as it is a lot more feasible than what I put. I was part of the old culture if you cheek your folks duck or run or a lot of pain was coming your way if you weren't quick enough lol. Never harmed us much (involuntary twitching of head)
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 14, 2015, 04:56:32 PM
@Liverpool Street You are right of course the "You hit me & I'll sue/get you arrested for assault" culture has a lot to answer for. I agree with what you say LS as it is a lot more feasible than what I put. I was part of the old culture if you cheek your folks duck or run or a lot of pain was coming your way if you weren't quick enough lol. Never harmed us much (involuntary twitching of head)
Ha ha ha yeah I get those twitches too ha
But it made us respect our elders, and did what they say.
Children should be seen and not heard. Or if my old man was about 'not seen and not heard until dinner was ready'
Of course like
@Tony says previous, changes happen to every geenration
At least we've had the best days
4609 seems to be sticking to the 61/63
4466 on the 14 and now has a tree deflector
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 16, 2015, 10:21:08 AM
4466 on the 14 and now has a tree deflector
It has always had a tree deflector.
Quote from: Nathan on December 16, 2015, 10:56:31 AM
It has always had a tree deflector.
Remind me, did all 44xx's have a tree deflector when new?
Any idea why the 46xx's had the majority of them removed?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 16, 2015, 11:32:43 AM
Remind me, did all 44xx's have a tree deflector when new?
Any idea why the 46xx's had the majority of them removed?
I don't think the 44xx's had them new LS.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 16, 2015, 11:48:37 AM
I don't think the 44xx's had them new LS.
They did. There are photo's on the main site of the ones new for the 94 when it was at LH.
Quote from: Nathan on December 16, 2015, 10:56:31 AM
It has always had a tree deflector.
It didn't when I saw it by paint shop
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 16, 2015, 12:45:16 PM
It didn't when I saw it by paint shop
It did
The photo on the 2nd December on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4466.html
was the day it left the paintshop
4466 bringing the Crimson livery to the 22/23 for the first time this evening. Very smart, first I've seen of it in the flesh.
Quote from: Mike K on December 18, 2015, 06:06:50 PM
4466 bringing the Crimson livery to the 22/23 for the first time this evening. Very smart, first I've seen of it in the flesh.
Not for the first time.
It did a spell on that corridor last Saturday if my memory is correct.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2015, 11:08:04 PM
Not for the first time.
It did a spell on that corridor last Saturday if my memory is correct.
Evening 24/9's on Mon 7th December.
Does anyone know if the 900 has had its A trips cut the because i have just look at a timetable on NX website and it now say it starts at 4.15 not 2.55.
Quote from: 900 on December 22, 2015, 08:13:56 AM
Does anyone know if the 900 has had its A trips cut the because i have just look at a timetable on NX website and it now say it starts at 4.15 not 2.55.
No.
@900 First bus to leave the City Centre Monday to Saturday is a 900A at 2:55
First bus to leave Coventry Monday to Saturday is a 900 at 4:15
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/B900_15Nov15.pdf
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2015, 08:45:27 AM
No. @900
First bus to leave the City Centre Monday to Saturday is a 900A at 2:55
First bus to leave Coventry Monday to Saturday is a 900 at 4:15
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/B900_15Nov15.pdf
Yes sorry i read it wrong
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-12-22/man-dropped-his-pants-in-front-of-horrified-passengers-on-packed-bus-small-heath-birmingham-solihull-wednesbury/
957 bus it was and @Johns photo was used.
Quote from: 900 on December 22, 2015, 07:02:02 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2015-12-22/man-dropped-his-pants-in-front-of-horrified-passengers-on-packed-bus-small-heath-birmingham-solihull-wednesbury/
957 bus it was and @Johns photo was used.
Phew, when I first read this I thought John had got a picture of the man exposing himself, luckily it was a picture of a 957. As for the headline, I'd imagine most people on the bus had no idea the bloke had dropped his keks.
Quote from: Mike K on December 22, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
Phew, when I first read this I thought John had got a picture of the man exposing himself, luckily it was a picture of a 957. As for the headline, I'd imagine most people on the bus had no idea the bloke had dropped his keks.
It should be a crime to make a man laugh as hard as what you just did to me.
Very comical hahaha
You get more with Platinum!
Quote from: Mike K link=topic=1861.msg173040#msge=1450824968
Phew, when I first read this I thought John had got a picture of the man exposing himself, luckily it was a picture of a 957. As for the headline, I'd imagine most people on the bus had no idea the bloke had dropped his keks.
Jesus I hope not! someone emailed me and asked if they could use the picture. I was just hoping it was a more flattering article!
I saw Santa driving 2115 on the 98 or X64 I think about 10:30 this morning and why is he moonlighting as a bus driver for lol.
Quote from: Hayley1985 on December 24, 2015, 04:11:45 PM
4129 thats been transferred recently to BC from WA, seen on the 97 today
Not really 'Noteworthy' since Trident's do that route all of the time.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 24, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Not really 'Noteworthy' since Trident's do that route all of the time.
Not really rare but noteworthy as it may be of interest to people
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 24, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
Not really 'Noteworthy' since Trident's do that route all of the time.
I posted it as i thought people may be interested where the new transfer was today in its first week at BC, and tbh i was excited to see it myself!
Surely you shouldn't be discouraging new members to post...
Quote from: Hayley1985 on December 25, 2015, 09:09:47 AM
I posted it as i thought people may be interested where the new transfer was today in its first week at BC, and tbh i was excited to see it myself!
Surely you shouldn't be discouraging new members to post...
Thanks, hope I get the chance to drive it, heard this and 4130 are at BC while the 44s are repainted, so this may take a while...
Quote from: Hayley1985 on December 25, 2015, 09:09:47 AM
I posted it as i thought people may be interested where the new transfer was today in its first week at BC, and tbh i was excited to see it myself!
Surely you shouldn't be discouraging new members to post...
Wasn't trying to discourage. I apologise if it seems like I was.
Inspection incident which occurred upon the 14 service:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/28/girl-claims-she-was-chucked-off-national-express-bus-for-wearing-make-up-5587791/?utm_content=buffer6c777&utm_medium=Social+-+Facebook&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=Facebook
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenage-girl-thrown-bus-because-7079836
In the defence of the child, and in my own opinion, I don't think it was right for the NX Inspector to judge her age based on appearance - especially if she had paid for a valid ticket. I agree, she does look a little older, but I'm 14; and I must admit, so do I - so I've been told.
Just seen 2 45xx at Great Barr which looked to be on delivery to BC
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 31, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
Just seen 2 45xx at Great Barr which looked to be on delivery to BC
Tridents?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 31, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
Just seen 2 45xx at Great Barr which looked to be on delivery to BC
Damn was hoping for Gemini
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 01, 2016, 03:10:22 PM
Damn was hoping for Gemini
Would be great. What's the likely-hood of any Geminis ever coming to BC
@Tony ?
After all, we have the Hybrid Geminis and the single deck version.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 01, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Would be great. What's the likely-hood of any Geminis ever coming to BC @Tony ?
After all, we have the Hybrid Geminis and the single deck version.
That's true, I would have thought that they would have geminis then. But then they don't have any b7tl president, alx400 or Gemini.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 01, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Would be great. What's the likely-hood of any Geminis ever coming to BC @Tony ?
After all, we have the Hybrid Geminis and the single deck version.
One thing is, they vibrate like hell.
Quote from: Ronnoc on January 01, 2016, 04:34:41 PM
One thing is, they vibrate like hell.
That could be a good or bad thing, depending where you're sat ;D
Cue the Beach Boys.......
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 01, 2016, 04:34:04 PM
That's true, I would have thought that they would have geminis then. But then they don't have any b7tl president, alx400 or Gemini.
They used to have b7 alx though
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 01, 2016, 09:15:39 PM
They used to have b7 alx though
and they used to have Presidents.
Quote from: 2206 on January 01, 2016, 09:16:49 PM
and they used to have Presidents.
So they did but I bet theres not many current BC drivers that drove them?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 01, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
So they did but I bet theres not many current BC drivers that drove them?
Probably some of the long term drivers may have done so I would surmise and they did go on quite a few routes I'm led to believe
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 01, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Probably some of the long term drivers may have done so I would surmise and they did go on quite a few routes I'm led to believe
Off topic but after driving both b7 alx Gemini and president the b7 alx feels older to drive than the president! the president's feel much smoother
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 01, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Probably some of the long term drivers may have done so I would surmise and they did go on quite a few routes I'm led to believe
They were used on all Central routes (as BC was a D/D only garage at the time before Lea Hall's closure, apart from B6LEs on the 636 for a short time just before), Bristol Road, Pershore Road, Hagley Road, Coventry Road (no so much on the 900 though), Harbornes. Some even made it onto the ex Lea Hall routes before the Presidents were transferred out
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 01, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Off topic but after driving both b7 alx Gemini and president the b7 alx feels older to drive than the president! the president's feel much smoother
From the passenger perspective they feel that way as well ! I've been past BC many time and I've never seen the Bus Yard as full of this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jpegjuice/14398839334/in/photolist-bm4mGr-nWnPhA-97KTYH-53qax6-cF2qGu-7zVkkE-97NP2j-a9r2V5-a9oefM-49n5R1-a9r2TC-a9oeot-eegHhz-dT3bws-dVVoey-97NwNW-emPKDq-dSWziZ-5gLodB-5CX5gq-a8sj3P-dSWzTx-cGdpdj-epMS8p-dT3bi1-cF2fUE-8ZRijf-qCkp5i-dnWiSi-ppmhCE-jDw8J5-3vEzYj-5K8wXZ-dqNYQH-bCwSJD-7uMByU-dqP9RG-dqNYZX-dqP9D7-dWZ2mU-4bNyG9-q947Bd-aavjLU-6hYZcp-2TxkXz-paFhLf-r9AsKL-4N2q2k-5sEukt-y2ha1y
BC seem to have had their fair share of Presidents although they seem to getting good batches newer buses,
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 01, 2016, 09:29:58 PM
From the passenger perspective they feel that way as well ! I've been past BC many time and I've never seen the Bus Yard as full of this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jpegjuice/14398839334/in/photolist-bm4mGr-nWnPhA-97KTYH-53qax6-cF2qGu-7zVkkE-97NP2j-a9r2V5-a9oefM-49n5R1-a9r2TC-a9oeot-eegHhz-dT3bws-dVVoey-97NwNW-emPKDq-dSWziZ-5gLodB-5CX5gq-a8sj3P-dSWzTx-cGdpdj-epMS8p-dT3bi1-cF2fUE-8ZRijf-qCkp5i-dnWiSi-ppmhCE-jDw8J5-3vEzYj-5K8wXZ-dqNYQH-bCwSJD-7uMByU-dqP9RG-dqNYZX-dqP9D7-dWZ2mU-4bNyG9-q947Bd-aavjLU-6hYZcp-2TxkXz-paFhLf-r9AsKL-4N2q2k-5sEukt-y2ha1y
BC seem to have had their fair share of Presidents although they seem to getting good batches newer buses,
the good old days!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 01, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
So they did but I bet theres not many current BC drivers that drove them?
I drove plenty of them, we had over 70 at BC at one point.
My first one to drive was 4032 when it was a couple of months old.
Much prefered them to the Volvo 42xxs
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 01, 2016, 09:21:34 PM
So they did but I bet theres not many current BC drivers that drove them?
Wasn't it as recent as 2012 that the last Presidents left BC? Up until 2010 there were a huge amount of B7TLs there so would imagine that many current BC drivers have driven them. Much as I'd like to see it I can't see BC getting any Geminis though.
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2016, 10:57:43 AM
Wasn't it as recent as 2012 that the last Presidents left BC? Up until 2010 there were a huge amount of B7TLs there so would imagine that many current BC drivers have driven them. Much as I'd like to see it I can't see BC getting any Geminis though.
November 2012 the last presidents left BC. The last stragglers were on the Pershore Road I remember vividly, after driving it myself!!
I'm guessing 4606 is out today, due to it's position in garage last night...
I saw a b7rle on the 55 today! Was this on loan
@Tony ?
Sure it wasn't a 56?
Quote from: Gareth on January 02, 2016, 09:14:28 PM
Sure it wasn't a 56?
I could have swore it was a 55 but I may be mistaken!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 02, 2016, 10:05:34 PM
I could have swore it was a 55 but I may be mistaken!
I suppose it depends what time it was. I can't remember what time the 56 starts in the evening.
Quote from: Gareth on January 02, 2016, 10:17:37 PM
I suppose it depends what time it was. I can't remember what time the 56 starts in the evening.
First one leaves the City Centre at 19:30 arrives in Kingshurst at 20:08.
First one leaves Kingshurst at 19:20 arrives in the City Centre at 19:57.
This was around half 4
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 02, 2016, 10:42:49 PM
This was around half 4
On Saturday & Sunday I believe they start about 10 am & run all day every hour as part of the 56/70 combo before the changes. Its only Monday - Friday they start about 19:00
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 03, 2016, 12:27:40 PM
On Saturday & Sunday I believe they start about 10 am & run all day. Its only Monday - Friday they start about 19:00
Not on a Saturday. The 56 is an Evenings and Sunday only route
Quote from: John on January 03, 2016, 12:29:27 PM
Not on a Saturday. The 56 is an Evenings and Sunday only route
I wasn't 100% sure about the Saturday service being right so thanks for the clarification
@John
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 02, 2016, 10:05:34 PM
I could have swore it was a 55 but I may be mistaken!
All 55 running boards were tracking yesterday, and all show Scanias operating all day. Only think I can think of was it was a 59 and you couldn't see the very right the blind making the 9 look like a 5. The 59s, along with all Coventry Road services sometimes are on diversion up and down The Priory Queensway and back along Moor Street to avoid the car park queues on Park Street
Only saw 3 29s on my way into work this morning but all 3 were double deckers, 4878, 4187 and 4629.
Quote from: Mike K on January 04, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
Only saw 3 29s on my way into work this morning but all 3 were double deckers, 4878, 4187 and 4629.
Currently 5 Tridents, 1 E400, 2 B7RLE and one vehicle I cannot see with another B7RLE back in garage after doing the morning peak board
Saw 4595 on the Washwood Heath Road this afternoon -
Looks like its on the 70 today.
@John Stait Tridents are normally common on 60
Since main allocation is E400's usually a few tridents work on routes aswell
4878 was on the 9 yesterday morning.
Quote from: busboy31 on January 06, 2016, 05:06:26 PM
4878 was on the 9 yesterday morning.
BC cover early morning 9's before going either back to depot or on the 829 school run about 9:30ish. There is posts in this thread about this as it is a daily occurrence
@busboy31See page 138 replies 2056 & 2057
When did the latest advert buses strongbow & tkmax get done
@Tony I knew it was a school board
Just thought I'll post it since it mainly has tridents / E400's on it
@Dylanbusboy45 I believe 2138 is the B7RLE on the 45/47 route saw it on Upper Dean Street about 10:45 this morning on the 45 to longbridge
4129 is on BC45 today.
E400 on the X64 today. This one wasn't the school board either!
Pretty surprised to see a BC NatWest allover ad trident heading along Middle Park Road, turning onto Swarthmore Road outbound from city about 1515 this afternoon?! It was in service on the 29 as well with passengers on, driver lost/confused or was there a diversion on?
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 14, 2016, 06:19:10 PM
Pretty surprised to see a BC NatWest allover ad trident heading along Middle Park Road, turning onto Swarthmore Road outbound from city about 1515 this afternoon?! It was in service on the 29 as well with passengers on, driver lost/confused or was there a diversion on?
I notice your immediate first comment is driver lost/confused. Why do you automatically presume someone has messed up?
Shenley Lane was closed do to a non-bus RTC
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 14, 2016, 06:45:14 PM
Wasn't assuming, I didn't claim to know, hence it was a question! Someone somewhere may have messed up for there to have been an RTC though!
Why put driver lost as the first option. That is the least likely option, it shows that was your first thought
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2016, 06:46:37 PM
Why put driver lost as the first option. That is the least likely option, it shows that was your first thought
Yes fully agree here.
I'm sick of people presuming its always the drivers fault. Not just on here but in real life too. Someone easy to blame with a number above his/her head !
So what's BCs current fleet?
Has all WN 45xx - 46xx come yet?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 16, 2016, 10:32:33 PM
So what's BCs current fleet?
Has all WN 45xx - 46xx come yet?
4595/6 and 4606/7 moved over. No more due to move (yet!). WN had 2120-23 off BC as a swap for the Tridents if you weren't aware?
Quote from: Nathan on January 16, 2016, 10:35:38 PM
4595/6 and 4606/7 moved over. No more due to move (yet!). WN had 2120-23 off BC as a swap for the Tridents if you weren't aware?
That's brilliant, thank you
So BC still have AG's B7RLE early examples?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 16, 2016, 11:00:53 PM
That's brilliant, thank you
So BC still have AG's B7RLE early examples?
BC still have 2116 - 2119.
Freshly repainted 4164 is out on the 24 today
One of the 551* (ex WN) B5's has just gone down Small Heath Bypass. Any ideas what it is doing?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2016, 02:13:13 PM
Freshly repainted 4164 is out on the 24 today
Was on the 14 yesterday. Put everything else to shame with it's shine.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2016, 02:13:13 PM
Freshly repainted 4164 is out on the 24 today
On the 97 today, 11.30am ish from City. Not refurbished inside, just repainted
Is there any more to these rumours of Bc taking on a shortened 126 route at all they could call it the 26 ?!?!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 18, 2016, 11:13:29 PM
Is there any more to these rumours of Bc taking on a shortened 126 route at all they could call it the 26 ?!?!
No talk of it at BC garage.
Crimson liveried 4462 is on the Bristol Road this morning.
4877 & 4913 on 957 today
How reliable is 98/99 and how long does it usually take to get to Uni of Brum just before QE hospital from Moor St? I have a car and I'm thinking of selling it off before starting my study there.
Quote from: :D on January 21, 2016, 08:37:35 PM
How reliable is 98/99 and how long does it usually take to get to Uni of Brum just before QE hospital from Moor St? I have a car and I'm thinking of selling it off before starting my study there.
15 mins it used to take me (20 in peak) its fairly reliable 98 more than 99
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 21, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
15 mins it used to take me (20 in peak) its fairly reliable 98 more than 99
That's pretty good actually. Is it usually crammed full with the students during peak or do they usually use Bristol road buses?
2141 is on 97 today
4609 is on 47 today
Where are all the platinum?
I have a job interview tomorrow at this illustrious garage, heres hoping it goes well !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 31, 2016, 11:24:27 PM
I have a job interview tomorrow at this illustrious garage, heres hoping it goes well !
Good Luck! What position are you applying for?
I keep seeing in the morning a envrio 200 with 875 digbeth any idea where it runs from
I see it about 6. 15 passing the bull ring as I'm going out of city
Quote from: Solo1 on February 01, 2016, 08:33:49 AM
I keep seeing in the morning a envrio 200 with 875 digbeth any idea where it runs from
I see it about 6. 15 passing the bull ring as I'm going out of city
Staff shuttle bus. Now available to the general public.
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 01, 2016, 08:05:32 AM
Good Luck! What position are you applying for?
It's the role of Cash Counter ! I just had the interview and I like to think it went well although the number of applicants may prove to be a hard to overcome !
Got a slight glimpse into the garage which was nice as well
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 01, 2016, 09:48:01 AM
It's the role of Cash Counter ! I just had the interview and I like to think it went well although the number of applicants may prove to be a hard to overcome !
Got a slight glimpse into the garage which was nice as well
Fingers crossed then! If you get it then you can have a good mooch round!
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 01, 2016, 02:25:59 PM
Fingers crossed then! If you get it then you can have a good mooch round!
Thanks ! It's a late night shift so I'll be treated with a few good sights !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 01, 2016, 03:18:20 PM
Thanks ! It's a late night shift so I'll be treated with a few good sights !
Good luck mate, all the best for ya.
Crimson 4464 out on 60 today
Heading to cranes park (in Sheldon) now 07:38
There was a Crimson Trident (4468 maybe) out on the 14 last night. Left City around midnight if I remember correctly when I saw it
Crimson 4449 has just arrived in chelmsley on a bc97p. Looks good with the l.e.d. destination.
Quote from: WMT3000 on February 04, 2016, 04:38:30 PM
Crimson 4449 has just arrived in chelmsley on a bc97p. Looks good with the l.e.d. destination.
Has she always had LEDs?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 05, 2016, 03:10:35 PM
Has she always had LEDs?
Sorry for going off topic.
Why do people refer to Buses as Females? I mean like why can't/aren't they male or some male. Bit of a strange thought.
Quote from: WN on February 05, 2016, 03:22:49 PM
Sorry for going off topic.
Why do people refer to Buses as Females? I mean like why can't/aren't they male or some male. Bit of a strange thought.
Crafts/ vehicles have intrinsically been female e.g. the mothership
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 05, 2016, 04:15:31 PM
Crafts/ vehicles have intrinsically been female e.g. the mothership
I just see it as a piece of aluminium with some fancy attachments.
Quote from: WN on February 05, 2016, 04:20:02 PM
I just see it as a piece of aluminium with some fancy attachments.
Either way they cost a lot of money !
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 05, 2016, 03:10:35 PM
Has she always had LEDs?
It was the first time I'd seen 4449 with LEDs but I'm not exactly sure when I last saw it before that. Tony's photo on the main site shows it as being dot matrix back in September 2015 so the change over must be fairly recent at least.
The reason vehicles are females is cause they cost a lot of money, unreliable, don't like cold mornings and they hiss if you 'rub' them the wrong way
its nice to personify machines though , doesn't happen much these days but the old times were littered with workers etching names into trucks and presses and stuff
Back when I was a newt leaving school working in a factory making gaskets in some description the heavy press was christened 'fat Betty'
ugly looking mule she was - typical Black Country green but was worn out with rust and bent rivets - believe it was manufactured late 1800's but don't quote me
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 06, 2016, 08:42:11 PM
The reason vehicles are females is cause they cost a lot of money, unreliable, don't like cold mornings and they hiss if you 'rub' them the wrong way
its nice to personify machines though , doesn't happen much these days but the old times were littered with workers etching names into trucks and presses and stuff
Back when I was a newt leaving school working in a factory making gaskets in some description the heavy press was christened 'fat Betty'
ugly looking mule she was - typical Black Country green but was worn out with rust and bent rivets - believe it was manufactured late 1800's but don't quote me
I don't see all buses as girls, some are definitely boys, I believe they all have their own personalities, and the fleet number, number plate etc are some of the factors which help me define their gender.
Just seen 5515 pass me on the Aston Expressway. Any idea why it was on there?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 07, 2016, 09:08:54 AM
Just seen 5515 pass me on the Aston Expressway. Any idea why it was on there?
Possibly going to or from the Volvo place in Willenhall (Hartshornes?)?
@RS The 29 is Hybrid operated on Sundays as I think it interworks with the 24
Quote from: John on February 07, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
@RS
The 29 is Hybrid operated on Sundays as I think it interworks with the 24
I thought it interworked but wasnt too sure thanks for the info
@John
Quote from: John on February 07, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
@RS
The 29 is Hybrid operated on Sundays as I think it interworks with the 24
The 24/9 are a mixture of Hybrid/E400's (sometimes the odd Trident) on Sundays.
Blimey, 4181 has a heck of a whine! It's on the 29 today, with a rear Berghaus ad. I believe that's new? Also, speaking of Tridents, noticed 4613's rear display was very well visible; night or day! - I do like backlit flipdots.
Has anyone seen the new ticket branding on the single deckers? 2141 has one; promoting the off peak daysaver and also one of BY's branding family/group daysavers, I believe..
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2016, 08:12:46 AM
Blimey, 4181 has a heck of a whine! It's on the 29 today, with a rear Berghaus ad. I believe that's new? Also, speaking of Tridents, noticed 4613's rear display was very well visible; night or day! - I do like backlit flipdots.
Has anyone seen the new ticket branding on the single deckers? 2141 has one; promoting the off peak daysaver and also one of BY's branding family/group daysavers, I believe..
Mentioned in another thread. (The thing about the new ticket advertising)
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2016, 08:12:46 AM
Blimey, 4181 has a heck of a whine! It's on the 29 today, with a rear Berghaus ad. I believe that's new? Also, speaking of Tridents, noticed 4613's rear display was very well visible; night or day! - I do like backlit flipdots.
Has anyone seen the new ticket branding on the single deckers? 2141 has one; promoting the off peak daysaver and also one of BY's branding family/group daysavers, I believe..
4613 has had new back flip dots quite some time ago.
Quote from: Nathan on February 09, 2016, 08:42:07 AM
Mentioned in another thread. (The thing about the new ticket advertising)
Ah, must've missed it then. Thanks. :)
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 09, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
4613 has had new back flip dots quite some time ago.
I believe I saw it a while back with the new display - was just mentioning how much better/brighter the new ones are ;)
4607 is parked up on Lordswood Road, near War Lane (Citybound direction); Not in Service and hazards on? It's not quite at the 11A bus stop; only wondered is it had broken down?
Quote from: clayderman on February 11, 2016, 08:15:34 AM
4607 is parked up on Lordswood Road, near War Lane (Citybound direction); Not in Service and hazards on? It's not quite at the 11A bus stop; only wondered is it had broken down?
No
Quote from: clayderman on February 11, 2016, 08:15:34 AM
4607 is parked up on Lordswood Road, near War Lane (Citybound direction); Not in Service and hazards on? It's not quite at the 11A bus stop; only wondered is it had broken down?
It was heading out of town and up Harborne Hill not in service at around 8.05 so presumably on its way to take up service.
Crimson 4462 is on 61/63 today. Saw it heading to Northfield about 20 mins ago
Seen at 09:51 near Selly Park Tavern. 4449 - 47 to Cofton Hackett.
my first time seeing a crimson ALX400 Transbus on this service.
There was a b7rle on 99 on friday
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 22, 2016, 11:37:32 AM
Seen at 09:51 near Selly Park Tavern. 4449 - 47 to Cofton Hackett.
my first time seeing a crimson ALX400 Transbus on this service.
Crimson 4468 is also on the 14 today
Quote from: John on February 22, 2016, 05:02:57 PM
Crimson 4468 is also on the 14 today
I noticed 4468 in city centre yesterday afternoon. I also noticed it's perfectly readable 97 branding on the Windows despite it being removed. It's the one thing that lets down its appearance.
4873 now has a new Megarear advert fitted for a car finance company
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2016, 11:53:01 AM
Yes, was a change bus around 9pm and stayed out until Midnight
55xx?
@Tony
I can confirm 4596 does now have a front LED display. Its on the 60, was on Moor Street at 11.30am
Quote from: John on March 14, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
I can confirm 4596 does now have a front LED display. Its on the 60, was on Moor Street at 11.30am
Had it not been mentioned? ??? It was on the 24 on Friday.
NX took 5504 to the Birmingham St Patrick's Day Parade yesterday.
Was I seeing things, or was 6716 on the 24/9 yesterday?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 15, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
Was I seeing things, or was 6716 on the 24/9 yesterday?
Spares do make it out on the 29, weekdays - never seen a Platinum on the 24, though - but the 24/29 interwork on Sundays, don't they?
Yes the 24/29 interwork on sundays
@clayderman. That's why you see hybrids on the 29 on a Sunday.
Quote from: clayderman on March 15, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
Spares do make it out on the 29, weekdays - never seen a Platinum on the 24, though - but the 24/29 interwork on Sundays, don't they?
Its usually the same board that comes out in the afternoon. The 24/9 interwork at night too. So if you saw it then, it was probably a change bus, and yes noteworthy as it won't be the same running board that regulary sees a Platinum.
A 44** Crimson Trident was on the 59 this evening
Looks like nobody noticed Crimson 4871 out on the 45/47 this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
Looks like nobody noticed Crimson 4871 out on the 45/47 this afternoon
Had no idea BC's Enviro 400s were being repainted ! I need to catch up
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 18, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
Had no idea BC's Enviro 400s were being repainted ! I need to catch up
4872 was also in for paint according to the last update. And incase you are far behind and not aware, PB's 61 plate E400's are in for Crimson paint.
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
Looks like nobody noticed Crimson 4871 out on the 45/47 this afternoon
A couple of PB drivers said to me they saw it out on Thursday.
Booted off 6703 - from the 900E, outbound - on Adderley Street. Idk if the bus is defective?
Quote from: clayderman on March 19, 2016, 09:09:02 AM
Booted off 6703 - from the 900E, outbound - on Adderley Street. Idk if the bus is defective?
Or maybe no relief driver. That happens occasionally there.
Quote from: Gareth on March 19, 2016, 12:54:10 PM
Or maybe no relief driver. That happens occasionally there.
Including outbound journeys? Seems a bit odd.. My later bus was in convoy with 6718 later - suppose this was a replacement?
- 6703 was not in fact defective; was driven back to garage after we had alighted.
Crimson 4631 is on the 24 today.
Quote from: clayderman on March 19, 2016, 01:07:47 PM
Including outbound journeys? Seems a bit odd.. My later bus was in convoy with 6718 later - suppose this was a replacement?
- 6703 was not in fact defective; was driven back to garage after we had alighted.
I've known it a few times on outbound journeys. Being kicked off at Adderley Street than having to try and get a full bus worth of passengers onto already full buses behind.
Quote from: Gareth on March 19, 2016, 02:24:20 PM
I've known it a few times on outbound journeys. Being kicked off at Adderley Street than having to try and get a full bus worth of passengers onto already full buses behind.
All just seems a bit inconvenient! ::) Especially when the working was a short journey as well! :P
Quote from: clayderman on March 20, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
All just seems a bit inconvenient! ::) Especially when the working was a short journey as well! :P
If there's no driver what do you expect is going to happen.
4631 is now missing off the 63 because of two idiots who decided to smash the upstairs rear windows.
They got on at Moor Street Queensway and got off the next stop and were each carrying small speakers.
>:( Absolute idiots - hope it's been reported and some attempt can be made to catch them...What pleasure do they get from wrecking a bus - sure they wouldn't go wrecking their own property. It's like the Platinums being etched to death at the back of the upper deck - small minority who have to go and wreck it for the rest.
Quote from: clayderman on March 20, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
All just seems a bit inconvenient! ::) Especially when the working was a short journey as well! :P
Would you rather a long working is missing and more passengers are inconvenienced or a short?
Quote from: 2206 on March 19, 2016, 02:02:52 PM
Crimson 4631 is on the 24 today.
Was on 29 after 6 so might interwork
Quote from: Solo1 on March 20, 2016, 09:26:26 PM
Was on 29 after 6 so might interwork
The 29 interworks with the 24 in the evening.
Quote from: T840MAK on March 20, 2016, 09:21:37 PM
Would you rather a long working is missing and more passengers are inconvenienced or a short?
Quote from: T840MAK on March 20, 2016, 09:21:37 PM
Would you rather a long working is missing and more passengers are inconvenienced or a short?
I guess I was writing from an arrogant passenger's point of view. Of course, in perspective, it would've been better had a short working terminated than the full journey, which it was, but then put into account the average passenger - waiting for the bus further along the route - who'd otherwise think the bus was unreliable/late...
If anyone wants a photo of the first Crimson bus to run in service in Coventry, 4871 is currently booked to do the 16:20 900 from Moor Street and 18:12 900 return from Pool Meadow. If BC get the unavailable platinums going during the day then there is always the chance it could be swapped before then.
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2016, 09:13:48 AM
If anyone wants a photo of the first Crimson bus to run in service in Coventry, 4871 is currently booked to do the 16:20 900 from Moor Street and 18:12 900 return from Pool Meadow. If BC get the unavailable platinums going during the day then there is always the chance it could be swapped before then.
Currently at Yardley Swan 10:10 on 900E to airport
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2016, 09:13:48 AM
If anyone wants a photo of the first Crimson bus to run in service in Coventry, 4871 is currently booked to do the 16:20 900 from Moor Street and 18:12 900 return from Pool Meadow. If BC get the unavailable platinums going during the day then there is always the chance it could be swapped before then.
4872 has beaten 4871 to it apparantly.
Quote from: Nathan on March 24, 2016, 03:45:40 PM
4872 has beaten 4871 to it apparantly.
It'll get confusing, at least for me, once all the Mark II Enviros get the Crimson livery. I saw 4871 the other day, and thought it was an early Enviro
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 24, 2016, 05:14:12 PM
It'll get confusing, at least for me, once all the Mark II Enviros get the Crimson livery. I saw 4871 the other day, and thought it was an early Enviro
same
I thought they had some 48 early
Which red envrio is on 24 today saw it by livery st to far to Id
Quote from: Solo1 on March 25, 2016, 01:45:15 PM
Which red envrio is on 24 today saw it by livery st to far to Id
4871. 4872 is on the Pershore Road
6702 broken down in Solihull at lunchtime - front lift needed.
4631 was on BR yesterday
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 10:09:27 AM
4631 was on BR yesterday
and 4871 was on the 22 and 23 yesterday.
Quote from: 2206 on March 31, 2016, 10:17:07 AM
and 4871 was on the 22 and 23 yesterday.
I saw it on WR
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 10:22:34 AM
I saw it on WR
Whats WR?
It was on the 22 on the Priory Queensway at about 5PM yesterday.
Woodgate Road
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 10:09:27 AM
4631 was on BR yesterday
Which is where it should usually be
Quote from: John on March 31, 2016, 10:47:05 AM
Which is where it should usually be
97 it should be mostly
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 10:48:36 AM
97 it should be mostly
The 44xx Tridents are the allocated batch to the 97, 4631 was only Crimsoned due to paintwork damage from removing an advert
Quote from: Winston on March 31, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
The 44xx Tridents are the allocated batch to the 97, 4631 was only Crimsoned due to paintwork damage from removing an advert
Sorry ???
4872 is on the 24 today.
Either 4871/2 is on the 47 today. Seen in Cotteridge at 12:08 heading to City and again at 13:20 in the West Heath/Turves Green area on diversion as Turves Green Rd is closed for roadworks so the 47 is on diversion via West Heath Rd. If anyone could tell me if its 4871/2 it would be much appreciated.
Edit:Must have been 4871 as 4872 was on the 957
4872 was on the 957 today.
Just been sent a photograph by a friend showing 2151 in Coleshill. Any idea why it's there?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 03, 2016, 07:34:35 PM
Just been sent a photograph by a friend showing 2151 in Coleshill. Any idea why it's there?
Possibly on the 70
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 03, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
Possibly on the 70
The 70 and 56 are Volvo B7RLE operated on Sunday evenings. So 2151 is most likely on the 70 and 56.
@Michael Bevan
I'm not 100% certain, but 4165 may have lost its short lived front LED display for a Dot Matrix one. Pretty sure it was on the Bristol Road today
4872 is on the 957 today.
Not rare
@GeminiFan1991 it comes of the 60 I think and dose a 59 to Kingshurst
It was back on the 60 again by the evening, saw it by Bordesley station while I was waiting for a 900/957.
Quote from: 2206 on April 05, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
Not rare @GeminiFan1991 it comes of the 60 I think and dose a 59 to Kingshurst
Other way round ;) Does the 59 then goes onto the 60 (think a late night board)
There has been a few ocassions where I have seen an Enviro400 on the 59 in the early evening. It must come off the 60 as the 59 is B7RLE operated. Also doesn't the 59 interwork with the 58?
Quote from: John on April 05, 2016, 07:43:30 PM
There has been a few ocassions where I have seen an Enviro400 on the 59 in the early evening. It must come off the 60 as the 59 is B7RLE operated. Also doesn't the 59 interwork with the 58?
The 58 and 59 interworck.
Quote from: John on April 05, 2016, 07:43:30 PM
There has been a few ocassions where I have seen an Enviro400 on the 59 in the early evening. It must come off the 60 as the 59 is B7RLE operated. Also doesn't the 59 interwork with the 58?
As i said above, i'm sure it has been mentioned that it comes out of depot (must come out in the afternoon), works 59 (don't know how many trips) before going onto late night 60's.
I wasn't aware of the 59 going onto the 60 after otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I knew the 58/9 interwork, You learn something everyday I suppose !
Quote from: James4368 on April 06, 2016, 10:24:49 AM
4872 - BC957 (Usually Platinums)
Not rare a lot have been on the 900/957 recently.
Yesterday 4872 was on the 957 and 4941 was on the 900.
Monday - 4872 was on the 957
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2016, 12:07:41 PM
Not rare a lot have been on the 900/957 recently.
Yesterday 4872 was on the 957 and 4941 was on the 900.
Monday - 4872 was on the 957
Don't forget 4871/2 are the spare Platinum buses specifically painted for use on the 900/957
Quote from: John on April 06, 2016, 02:57:36 PM
Don't forget 4871/2 are the spare Platinum buses specifically painted for use on the 900/957
I didn't realise these were spares for the 900/957, I'd assumed that 4871-4884 would all be repainted to 'Crimson' maybe the 24 or 60.
Quote from: Mike K on April 07, 2016, 09:47:22 AM
I didn't realise these were spares for the 900/957, I'd assumed that 4871-4884 would all be repainted to 'Crimson' maybe the 24 or 60.
They will be but for the time being they're being used as a stand in vehicle is a platinum isn't available.
Both 4871 and 4872 are on the 957
Crimson 4631 is on the 70/73. Should be leaving City now as a 70
Seen 4160 being towed on the back of a Mansfield truck heading down Bromford Lane still with 14 City Centre on front I think at about 2:45ish just before Drews Lane heading towards Heartlands spine road
If of interest one of the Crimson 487x's and a 494x Enviro are on the 957 today.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on April 12, 2016, 06:41:04 PM
If of interest one of the Crimson 487x's and a 494x Enviro are on the 957 today.
4871
@Ashley 60171
4466 is on the 24 today; I saw a 99 branded E200 zoom down Court Oak Road, near Queens Park - not sure if that's on the 24, though..
Quote from: clayderman on April 13, 2016, 03:48:51 PM
4466 is on the 24 today; I saw a 99 branded E200 zoom down Court Oak Road, near Queens Park - not sure if that's on the 24, though..
99 has been on diversion from city via Fellows Lane, Court Oak Rd, Tennal Lane for a few weeks now due to gasworks on Tennal Rd. Thought it was supposed to be finished by now.
Quote from: Mike K on April 13, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
99 has been on diversion from city via Fellows Lane, Court Oak Rd, Tennal Lane for a few weeks now due to gasworks on Tennal Rd. Thought it was supposed to be finished by now.
Was this meant to be in both directions? I caught the 99 into City from Halesowen around a week and a half ago, and it was following it's normal route. ???
--
Thanks,
@Sayeed :)
I can only apologise for the lateness but yesterday I clocked a Y Reg Trident with an engineer behind the wheel in Bordesley Green heading outbound. Any idea of where it was going ?
Quote from: clayderman on April 13, 2016, 09:53:12 PM
Was this meant to be in both directions? I caught the 99 into City from Halesowen around a week and a half ago, and it was following it's normal route. ???
No, just from city
Quote from: Sayeed on April 13, 2016, 10:07:29 PM
No, just from city
Ah, apparently the Fellows Lane diversion is in place until 18th April:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-tennal-roadnorthfield-road-gas-works-/
Not sure which one, but a 900 platinum is issuing NXC tickets today. As informed by my sister who was concerned about its validity. Haha
Quote from: Gareth on April 14, 2016, 12:05:37 PM
Not sure which one, but a 900 platinum is issuing NXC tickets today. As informed by my sister who was concerned about its validity. Haha
Haha probably just ran out and used a rioll off a coventry bus
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 14, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Haha probably just ran out and used a rioll off a coventry bus
Same thing happened Tuesday. I really feel sorry for people buying the West Midlands daysavers on the blue Coventry tickets though; a lot of drivers (outside of Coventry/Non Birmingham Central) seem to get confused about it.
Its the same reason I won't purchase N network tickets on a train.
Quote from: JoNi on April 16, 2016, 05:49:21 PM
900 - 4872
Not rare.
4871/2 are the spare Platinum buses specifically painted for use on the 900/957.
@JoNi
Thanks.
Quote from: 2206 on April 16, 2016, 06:47:48 PM
Not rare.
4871/2 are the spare Platinum buses specifically painted for use on the 900/957. @JoNi
...but they're primrose
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 16, 2016, 11:51:20 PM
sorry I meant crimson
They've been the 900 and 957 a lot recently with the odd Red and White E400 also on itsometimes.
Quote from: John on April 06, 2016, 02:57:36 PM
Don't forget 4871/2 are the spare Platinum buses specifically painted for use on the 900/957
That's where I read about them being spare buses for the Platinum Buses on the 900 and 957.
Crimson 4871 is on the 60 today. Seen at 11:16 in City
2150 was in Bordesley Green on the 97 at about 16:00. Near Heartlands Hospital.
Not too sure if it's been mentioned yet; but I am aware of other buses in the same garage sharing identical/similarly spelt names (for example, 4761 and 4980 at WB sharing Scarlet/Scarlett) - but I've just clocked on that 4877 and 5518 share the same name, Poppy.
Then again, the exception for the WB example would be that the 47**s were transferred, with some retaining their original YW names. Does anyone know when 4877 had its name applied? (before or after transfer to BC?) ???
Just thought this would be worth mentioning. :)
Quote from: clayderman on April 20, 2016, 09:55:59 PM
Not too sure if it's been mentioned yet; but I am aware of other buses in the same garage sharing identical/similarly spelt names (for example, 4761 and 4980 at WB sharing Scarlet/Scarlett) - but I've just clocked on that 4877 and 5518 share the same name, Poppy.
Then again, the exception for the WB example would be that the 47**s were transferred, with some retaining their original YW names. Does anyone know when 4877 had its name applied? (before or after transfer to BC?) ???
Just thought this would be worth mentioning. :)
Before, I think I have a photo of it at Walsall with the name on.
Quote from: Alex on April 20, 2016, 10:06:01 PM
Before, I think I have a photo of it at Walsall with the name on.
It was at Walsall they were named. When they gained the green 93* Express branding
Just a casual observation I've made, since I've been catching the 900 and 957 more frequently now, regarding the audio announcements.
I'm not sure if the difference is just between the two routes, but sometimes I've noticed that the full stop name isn't always announced; for example when heading home, sometimes the announcement says "Next stop is Coventry Road, Church Road", but other times it just says "Next stop is Church Road".
I have noticed that on both inbound journeys though, the announcement does say 'Forest Road', although the bus stop flag says 'Kathleen Road'.
I must admit that the on board announcements are not as irritating as I thought they would be, being a regular traveller now, but then again it's only four stops from Church Road (Swan Island) to Bordesley station for me.
Quote from: filbus1 on April 27, 2016, 02:53:38 PM
4624 14 Branded on 62 and 4625 14 Branded on 63 passed each other in Selly Oak at 14:25
62? There isn't a 62 at BC?
Quote from: John on April 21, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
It was at Walsall they were named. When they gained the green 93* Express branding
I thought it was when they was debranded?
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2016, 04:49:28 PM
62? There isn't a 62 at BC?
Slip of the keyboard 61
Saw 4324 at the BC pits last night, not sure just being fixed or loan/transfer?
Apologies if it's already been mentioned but 4596 is now sporting an led destination board.
4871 is on the 22/23. Quite a change from the Coventry Road, recently. As is 4872.
Edit: I bave no idea how long it has been, but there's been two Tridents in convoy on the 97, displaying City Centre, as "City centre" - I suppose it's no big deal, but it's just a little irritant to me, I find.. ::)
Would anybody be able to confirm if the 97a route has been slightly amended around 9.45 last night saw one on tile cross road with destination showing resorts world
Go on the Nxwm website certain journeys have been extended to that dodgy shopping centre.
Quote from: Bususer79 on May 02, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Would anybody be able to confirm if the 97a route has been slightly amended around 9.45 last night saw one on tile cross road with destination showing resorts world
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/97a-extends-to-resorts-world-birmingham
Quote from: Bususer79 on May 02, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
Would anybody be able to confirm if the 97a route has been slightly amended around 9.45 last night saw one on tile cross road with destination showing resorts world
The NX seems to be updated to show Resorts World
Highly appropriate for today as it's May 4th...
...4444 - May The 4's Be With You...
4455 now rebranded for the 97, out this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2016, 03:03:21 PM
4455 now rebranded for the 97, out this afternoon
Can you take a picture of the branding?
Quote from: busboy31 on May 06, 2016, 03:47:41 PM
Can you take a picture of the branding?
Tony will do in his own good time so give him a chance
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 06, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
Tony will do in his own good time so give him a chance
Yes, it was due in City at 16:04 so I should have been able to photograph it on my way to the 16:12 train, but it got caught in traffic and was late, and I wasn't wasting 30 minutes until the next train home
Just seen 4455's branding - only from the sides and the back, though, as it happened to pass me on a whim. I must say, it is immaculate - despite the box shape of the ALX400s, the brandihg seems to be pulled off very well, with its contrasting curves. Big fan of the blue on red theme; top marks from me. :D
Also, 4447 is on the 24.
4631 is on the 14.
Interesting the 97 branding doesn't have airport on the side panels? Does that give reason for speculation on the future of the extension
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 08, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Interesting the 97 branding doesn't have airport on the side panels? Does that give reason for speculation on the future of the extension
It says 97A to Airport and NEC up to every 30 minutes on the window.
4463
4466 are all branded for 97
PD0001111/45 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre and Chelmsley Wood, Helmswood Drive/Resorts World given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 03-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: 900 on May 09, 2016, 10:39:49 AM
4463
4466 are all branded for 97
4462 is now 97 Branded.
4458 should be heading back repainted tonight
2131 is on the 24 today
5502 has received new hybrid vinyls on the offside at least. The Turning Birmingham Green has been replaced by lowercase 'low emission electric hybrid bus' branding. Looks a bit of a mess as you can clearly see the outline of the old lettering underneath.
Thought these might be due a repaint within the next 12 months so surprised to see vinlys being updated.
5505 also now has the updated hybrid branding so presume they're all being done.
Quote from: Mike K on May 19, 2016, 06:00:42 PM
5502 has received new hybrid vinyls on the offside at least. The Turning Birmingham Green has been replaced by lowercase 'low emission electric hybrid bus' branding. Looks a bit of a mess as you can clearly see the outline of the old lettering underneath.
Thought these might be due a repaint within the next 12 months so surprised to see vinlys being updated.
5505 also now has the updated hybrid branding so presume they're all being done.
This is a shot in the dark, but I wonder if they are to be fitted with advert frames. The branding is been made smaller for the frames to fit
Noticed today that the handle bars on 4609 have been repainted into Crimson. Its on the 56/70 today.
Quote from: 2206 on May 22, 2016, 05:04:46 PM
Noticed today that the handle bars on 4609 have been repainted into Crimson. Its on the 56/70 today.
Wasn't it like that before transfer anyway? I think
@Nathan mentioned the red bars previous.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 22, 2016, 08:54:38 PM
Wasn't it like that before transfer anyway? I think @Nathan mentioned the red bars previous.
Yes, the handle bars had a fresh lick of paint when it went for repaint in 2012.
Quote from: John on May 21, 2016, 05:49:48 PM
This is a shot in the dark, but I wonder if they are to be fitted with advert frames. The branding is been made smaller for the frames to fit
Interesting thought John, I've noticed that the 'Travelling by bus just became greener" branding on the rear is also being removed from them, possibly also to make way for advert frames.
4871 on 45 today. Seen at 17:55 at West Heath towards Longbridge
Was a bit surprised on the 957 this morning, when the driver took us through Small Heath along the Coventry Road, then down Golden Hillock Road to rejoin Small Heath Highway.
Do the 900/957 still operate 'flexi-route' between Hay Mills and Digbeth? I remember seeing something about this when the 957 first launched (where the driver could take alternative routes if the traffic was bad), but thought that wasn't the case any more.
I don't think it was the case that the driver was lost, it seemed that going round Heybarnes Circus he didn't like the look of the stacked-up traffic on Small Heath Highway so carried on along the Cov Road instead!
Quote from: Stu on May 26, 2016, 07:57:58 PM
Was a bit surprised on the 957 this morning, when the driver took us through Small Heath along the Coventry Road, then down Golden Hillock Road to rejoin Small Heath Highway.
Do the 900/957 still operate 'flexi-route' between Hay Mills and Digbeth? I remember seeing something about this when the 957 first launched (where the driver could take alternative routes if the traffic was bad), but thought that wasn't the case any more.
I don't think it was the case that the driver was lost, it seemed that going round Heybarnes Circus he didn't like the look of the stacked-up traffic on Small Heath Highway so carried on along the Cov Road instead!
Yes we are still allowed to use the Coventry road if we wish during peak hours or when traffic is bad on the bypass, the best route now I find is like you mentioned the driver did earlier as the second half of the bypass between poets corner and the watering hole doesn't seem to be too bad anymore
Unsure whether it's just the one display - but 4903's "E" journey to West Heath is still in the alternating format as opposed to Super-X styled.. Thought it was worth a mention.
Quote from: James. on May 26, 2016, 10:06:02 PM
Yes we are still allowed to use the Coventry road if we wish during peak hours or when traffic is bad on the bypass, the best route now I find is like you mentioned the driver did earlier as the second half of the bypass between poets corner and the watering hole doesn't seem to be too bad anymore
Thanks for the clarification, wish more drivers would use their noggins and follow that alternate route!
Most mornings the 58 and 957 leave Swan Island towards city at roughly the same time, but there's been occasions when both have got to Bordesley station at roughly the same time too! I've learned now that unless a 900/957 is 'due' or arriving within 2-3 minutes, I may as just get the first Small Heath bus (58/59/60) that comes instead of waiting.
Quote from: Stu on May 27, 2016, 06:08:40 PM
Thanks for the clarification, wish more drivers would use their noggins and follow that alternate route!
Most mornings the 58 and 957 leave Swan Island towards city at roughly the same time, but there's been occasions when both have got to Bordesley station at roughly the same time too! I've learned now that unless a 900/957 is 'due' or arriving within 2-3 minutes, I may as just get the first Small Heath bus (58/59/60) that comes instead of waiting.
Yeah the 957 is really pot luck weather it turns up on time in the mornings, most of the time it's a few minutes down, all depends on how well the driver got out of Solihull and through the wheatsheaf to be honest, I've noticed on times recently doing the 58/59, certain journeys in the morning seem to get 7/8 minutes to get from the Swan to Kings road, so the drivers tend to hold back so they don't have a 4minutes+ wait at kings road
5512 and 5513s Harborne branding has been made smaller on the offside, so maybe to fit advert frames
Quote from: John on May 31, 2016, 12:39:18 PM
5512 and 5513s Harborne branding has been made smaller on the offside, so maybe to fit advert frames
I saw it yesterday and thought it looked smaller wasn't sure though, id say its gonna be ad frames.
With the modifications to the vinyls on 5501-09, and the rear bonnet branding looking like it's being removed from all of them it certainly looks like it's making way for adverts.
4631 was on the 70/73 today.
5505 has advert frames. (Gods of Egypt)
@John
Quote from: clayderman on June 04, 2016, 03:15:47 PM
5505 has advert frames. (Gods of Egypt) @John
Mind reader
@John Any chance you can tell me tonights lotto numbers ;)
Quote from: Dom on June 04, 2016, 03:19:57 PM
Mind reader @John
Any chance you can tell me tonights lotto numbers ;)
Oh I wish :D
It just seemed the most logical explanation for the amended brandings
Platinum in chelsley wood today . Can any one confirm what service it was on
Was randomly looking on nxbus.co.uk and found a service 875. Looking at the timetable makes it sound an interesting route.
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 08, 2016, 06:22:27 PM
Was randomly looking on nxbus.co.uk and found a service 875. Looking at the timetable makes it sound an interesting route.
Its the staff bus
@the trainbasher.
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 01, 2016, 09:30:30 AM
Staff shuttle bus. Now available to the general public.
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 08, 2016, 06:22:27 PM
Was randomly looking on nxbus.co.uk and found a service 875. Looking at the timetable makes it sound an interesting route.
PD0001111/723 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Digbeth and City Centre given service number 875 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
If you want a journey, it'll have to be soon... :P
Quote from: clayderman on June 08, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
PD0001111/723 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Digbeth and City Centre given service number 875 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
If you want a journey, it'll have to be soon... :P
Obviously not much public uptake then!
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 08, 2016, 05:29:53 PM
Platinum in chelsley wood today . Can any one confirm what service it was on
Hmmmm
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4648.html
Training for the 14 getting upgraded lol
Little bro phoned NX customer services today, because the 45 had been shown on real time and scheduled times on the app, along Lickey Road in Rednal. They put him through to BC, who told him the 45 would be extended to Rednal Island from this weekend. Eh?
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 09, 2016, 03:04:09 PM
Little bro phoned NX customer services today, because the 45 had been shown on real time and scheduled times on the app, along Lickey Road in Rednal. They put him through to BC, who told him the 45 would be extended to Rednal Island from this weekend. Eh?
Wat
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 09, 2016, 03:04:09 PM
Little bro phoned NX customer services today, because the 45 had been shown on real time and scheduled times on the app, along Lickey Road in Rednal. They put him through to BC, who told him the 45 would be extended to Rednal Island from this weekend. Eh?
There has already been complaints from residents about the 47 turning there. With the 47 I think you have to turn at Rednal Island but wait your time at the old terminus.
Quote from: AndrewLee on June 10, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
There has already been complaints from residents about the 47 turning there. With the 47 I think you have to turn at Rednal Island but wait your time at the old terminus.
Find if there's any truth to this 45 extension
4621 was on the 14 today.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 10, 2016, 11:35:53 AM
Find if there's any truth to this 45 extension
According to the lads there is no extension.
4621 is on the 70 today.
Seems to have been lots of tridents on 45/7 recently. Seen 4166/4176 today and 4185 yesterday
@37351ml A Hybrid on the 29(E) is no more unusual than, say, a B7RLE on the 99 ;) it happens, is my point :) - probably not as often on weekdays but a lot more since the main allocation has changed from single to double deck operations.
Apologies if this sounded harsh, quite difficult to justify how this'd sound in person - through text. ;)
P.S. it is mentioned that it's one of the other allocations in the spreadsheet. :P
4631 is on the 9.
That's the first I've heard (well, seen) of a Crimson Trident - and it wasn't even a PN one!
@clayderman I believe it was 4439 was on the 9 few weeks back in Crimson
Are the b7rles that seem to pop up on the 97 covering tridents in repaint?
Quote from: Chris on June 18, 2016, 02:40:27 PM
@clayderman I believe it was 4439 was on the 9 few weeks back in Crimson
Are the b7rles that seem to pop up on the 97 covering tridents in repaint?
They are indeed. There have been as many as four on there on the odd occasion.
@Chris :P My bad - I didn't recall anybody mentioning it. Either that or I must've missed it. ::) Thanks, anyway. :)
There was a B7RLE on the 61 either on Wednesday or Thursday. Not sure if it's some sort of special working or if it's usual
Quote from: MW on June 18, 2016, 03:39:08 PM
There was a B7RLE on the 61 either on Wednesday or Thursday. Not sure if it's some sort of special working or if it's usual
Thursday Afternoon as I photographed it
I caught 4884 in service for the 47 on the 76 route this morning heading towards Selly Oak. Was there a diversion that happened ?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on June 21, 2016, 11:02:39 AM
I caught 4884 in service for the 47 on the 76 route this morning heading towards Selly Oak. Was there a diversion that happened ?
Yes, car on its roof on Pershore Road
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
Yes, car on its roof on Pershore Road
OK. I wonder how that happened ?
Quote from: John on June 21, 2016, 01:05:29 PM
809 just left City on the 63
It's just come round Moor Street driven by an engineer so looks like its been swapped.
4902 also swapped off the 60 by the looks of it - just left Moor Street NIS.
Quote from: Niall on June 21, 2016, 02:25:22 PM
It's just come round Moor Street driven by an engineer so looks like its been swapped.
4902 also swapped off the 60 by the looks of it - just left Moor Street NIS.
It was still on the 60 at 20:40 on Moor Street.
2151 on 63 today. Not put this in Noteworthys as it may be a peak working and BC still seem short of buses
4621 is on the 60 today.
2129 and 2151 were both on the 99 Today Why it surprise's me i don't know ::)
Quote from: RS on June 25, 2016, 07:24:32 PM
2129 and 2151 were both on the 99 Today Why it surprise's me i don't know ::)
and 2125.
Oh Good :-\
I saw 4190 driving up Moor Street Q'way about 1515 with NX Bus on display is that going back to WA as it was transferred Walsall I think but if I'm right it went direct to BC for Cricket didn't it
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2016, 05:45:21 PM
Yes, Now at Walsall
Is it staying there for good
Quote from: RS on June 26, 2016, 05:46:47 PM
Is it staying there for good
Yes
@RS transferred last week along side 4218.
Just been subjected to a ride on 4473 on the 97a - the filthiest bus I've ever seen. There's days worth of food wate, sick down the back of at least 2 seats - the list goes on. It obviously hasn't been thoroughly cleaned for some time and shouldn't be in service in that state. What a great advert for the city when people jump on at the airport and NEC! Well done NXWM - especially the cleaning staff!
Blame batman!
Quote from: WMT3000 on June 27, 2016, 11:32:55 AM
Just been subjected to a ride on 4473 on the 97a - the filthiest bus I've ever seen. There's days worth of food wate, sick down the back of at least 2 seats - the list goes on. It obviously hasn't been thoroughly cleaned for some time and shouldn't be in service in that state. What a great advert for the city when people jump on at the airport and NEC! Well done NXWM - especially the cleaning staff!
Quote from: WMT3000 on June 27, 2016, 11:32:55 AM
It's not good enough sending buses out in that condition. Someone in the garage must be held to account for this..
....Or maybe, just maybe, the general public caused that mess while the bus wad out in service
The passengers cause the filth, not the bus companies... just saying!
Quote from: Stu on June 27, 2016, 06:57:07 PM
The passengers cause the filth, not the bus companies... just saying!
I agree that passengers shouldn't make a mess, and I frequently travel on buses where rubbish/food has been recently dropped. I can put up with that. The only thing I was objecting to was the fact that it was monday morning, the sick down the seatbacks was probably from saturday night and there were so many crumbs on every single upstairs seat that unless the cookie monster frequents the 97 nowadays, it hadn't been cleaned for days!
Quote from: WMT3000 on June 27, 2016, 09:56:26 PM
I agree that passengers shouldn't make a mess, and I frequently travel on buses where rubbish/food has been recently dropped. I can put up with that. The only thing I was objecting to was the fact that it was monday morning, the sick down the seatbacks was probably from saturday night and there were so many crumbs on every single upstairs seat that unless the cookie monster frequents the 97 nowadays, it hadn't been cleaned for days!
Damm those Belvita Breakfast biscuits have alot to answer for lol.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 27, 2016, 10:40:15 PM
Damm those Belvita Breakfast biscuits have alot to answer for lol.
L M A O!
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 27, 2016, 10:40:15 PM
Damm those Belvita Breakfast biscuits have alot to answer for lol.
Lmao
The cookie monster was sat downstairs lol.
Anyway that's all my biscuity wisdom for one night. Still no buses...
5517's nearside branding seems to have been shortened significantly, so that they've (essentially) cropped out the hybrid bus graphic. On the other hand, I'm a little glad. The graphic of an E400H on the B5 was a bit OCD alarming. :P
https://flic.kr/p/JawcVy
To be fair, it's all a bit of a mess, imo.. I hope they get uniform crimson treatment soon. Randomly sized, non-uniform branding is leaving me to think that the BC Hybrid fleet is starting to grow their own identities like how the *former* Trident E400s at PN did. ::)
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 27, 2016, 10:40:15 PM
Damm those Belvita Breakfast biscuits have alot to answer for lol.
Perhaps you don't mind sitting in filth. I do. Incidentally, my MP didn't find it quite so funny. Nor did my employer (who subsidises NXWM, not for much longer I might add). It's been photographed and reported to HSE due to the sick down the seats and the total inefficiency and downright incompetence of NX staff allowing a bus into service which was clearly a health hazard.
So, because you've had a bad day. And picked the one bus over 1000s in the fleet that's been through the wars, you've gone to an MP, reported the company and potentially got members of staff into trouble... It would of happened on the road, what do you want doing, bus is pulled from service, your late, then you'd still be moaning. How is that incompetent staffing... Move to another seat... You seem to have gone to great lengths to discredit staff. I hope you never make a mistake in your employment, it doesn't take much for a company to let someone go these days and works hard to come buy, think of that when your mouthing off about "incompetence of staff" and the effect It might have for other people....
In short stop complaining. Rant done
4474 is now 97 branded
Does the current 24 hour services use their daytime allocations through the night?
Quote from: Chris on June 28, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
Does the current 24 hour services use their daytime allocations through the night?
63 is booked an E400 (that's why you usually see atleast 1 on BR). The 97 is usual allocation.
Quote from: clayderman on June 28, 2016, 08:02:43 AM
5517's nearside branding seems to have been shortened significantly, so that they've (essentially) cropped out the hybrid bus graphic. On the other hand, I'm a little glad. The graphic of an E400H on the B5 was a bit OCD alarming. :P
https://flic.kr/p/JawcVy
To be fair, it's all a bit of a mess, imo.. I hope they get uniform crimson treatment soon. Randomly sized, non-uniform branding is leaving me to think that the BC Hybrid fleet is starting to grow their own identities like how the *former* Trident E400s at PN did. ::)
That looks like it's had the offside branding applied to the nearside in error. The others have the longer Harborne branding with the picture of the bus on the nearside.
Quote from: Mike K on June 28, 2016, 06:13:41 PM
That looks like it's had the offside branding applied to the nearside in error. The others have the longer Harborne branding with the picture of the bus on the nearside.
That would explain a lot. :P Although, I feel as if my point still stands. I mean, 5510 has been missing parts of its front red branding near the bumper for ages; I hope these would go into paint soon. 5505's white advert frame looks cheap and tacky, and seeing as it's currently the only B5 with frames, its quite divergent from the rest of the fleet..
What's BC's current allocation ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 30, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
What's BC's current allocation ?
Give or take a few about 215. Others can chip in and correct me if I'm wrong....
4443 is now price branded and named
4464 is on the 73 today saw it in solihull at about 2pm......also i noticed a 14 branded trident on the 97 in chelmsley at about 1pm
5502 was broken down with bonnet up in helsowen this morning round 9 :30 near the kfc roundabout
Quote from: Mike K on June 28, 2016, 06:13:41 PM
That looks like it's had the offside branding applied to the nearside in error. The others have the longer Harborne branding with the picture of the bus on the nearside.
In a late reply to that, I've just seen 5512, and it seems to in the following fashion; shortened branding.
A lot of the Harborne branding seems mismatched or missing at the moment; 5516(?) IIRC doesn't have the 4 minute frequency branding on the upper deck rear windows. I was thinking, with the instalment of advert frames, could this mean they're being prepared for a fresh lick of paint?
Quote from: clayderman on July 02, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
In a late reply to that, I've just seen 5512, and it seems to in the following fashion; shortened branding.
A lot of the Harborne branding seems mismatched or missing at the moment; 5516(?) IIRC doesn't have the 4 minute frequency branding on the upper deck rear windows. I was thinking, with the instalment of advert frames, could this mean they're being prepared for a fresh lick of paint?
There are lots with various parts of vinlys or branding missing although new vinlys have started to be applied in the last week or two; 5509 and 5516 are two that are now sorted. The fact that new vinyls have been applied to make space for advert frames suggests to me that it might be a little while longer before these get a repaint.
What will be the fate of the re-engined (Euro 4) 41** Tridents once the emissions rule kicks in next year? Surely NX need all the Euro 4 buses they have
2124 has changed from a 22 at Five Ways to a 23.
In other news, just speculation from where I'm sitting, 4877 looks as if it has a crack in the upper windscreen.
Are you sure it was 2124? 2142 was on 24 earlier. Very unusual
Quote from: clayderman on July 06, 2016, 03:44:21 PM
2124 has changed from a 22 at Five Ways to a 23.
If it's heading to city, don't nearly all 22 and 23 journeys inter work, so he's just changing display early?
If it's heading out of city that's a different matter...
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
If it's heading to city, don't nearly all 22 and 23 journeys inter work, so he's just changing display early?
If it's heading out of city that's a different matter...
It was heading into city; found it odd changing displays mid route; though, understandable - however to be fair, I did speculate whether or not it could've changed into a 23 after coming off the Hillcrest 22S at Five Ways? ...As, you know, sometimes NX don't program the suffixes. ::) :P
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 06, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Are you sure it was 2124? 2142 was on 24 earlier. Very unusual
You mentioned two fleetnumbers there?
It was 2124 on the 22/23 - confirmed in the NW thread too (which I had checked after posting here.) :P
2142 is still on the 24. I saw it in the opposite direction as 2142 & 4877 (my bus) going towards Woodgate Valley.
Good and bad this evening:
Good: 58, 59 and 60 are all being diverted along Small Heath Highway, presumably to avoid the Eid traffic chaos in Small Heath, and are showing alternately 'On Diversion - enquire with driver' on the displays. The driver of the 60 was even checking with passengers as they board where they were going to.
Bad: in the gridlocked convoy of traffic along Coventry Road, by Bordesley station, the driver of the 900 gave up on approaching the bus stop and pulled into the middle lane, missing out that stop. Not a problem for myself, as there was a 900E just a few vehicles behind, but there was a young lady at the stop who got a bit distressed, as she wanted to get to Coventry. I hope she did actually get on the 900E behind me, as it did overtake the 900 before they both even got to Bordesley Circus.
Quote from: Stu on July 06, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
Good and bad this evening:
Good: 58, 59 and 60 are all being diverted along Small Heath Highway, presumably to avoid the Eid traffic chaos in Small Heath, and are showing alternately 'On Diversion - enquire with driver' on the displays. The driver of the 60 was even checking with passengers as they board where they were going to.
Bad: in the gridlocked convoy of traffic along Coventry Road, by Bordesley station, the driver of the 900 gave up on approaching the bus stop and pulled into the middle lane, missing out that stop. Not a problem for myself, as there was a 900E just a few vehicles behind, but there was a young lady at the stop who got a bit distressed, as she wanted to get to Coventry. I hope she did actually get on the 900E behind me, as it did overtake the 900 before they both even got to Bordesley Circus.
I feel sorry for the 8A/8C drivers. Ladypool Road is the definition of chaos. Saw an 8A driving up Highgate Road on the wrong side of the road with its attack alarm on and sounding the horn last night. He'd been sitting in the traffic for quite a while prior to that.
4443 is on the 70 today. Just passed the Fox And Goose going towards Chelmsley.
Its on the 10:54 70 from the City Centre.
Pershore road branded 4900 is on the 60, behind platinum 6702.
A Platinum's occurance on the 60 has been getting progressively common lately.. Are they using spares?
4902 is also on the 60.
Quote from: clayderman on July 11, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
A Platinum's occurance on the 60 has been getting progressively common lately.. Are they using spares?
I suppose if a Platinum is the only spare bus available, it'll have to be used.
Or they could be giving Cranes Park passengers a 'taste' for what's to come! ;D
Quote from: Stu on July 11, 2016, 06:35:09 PM
I suppose if a Platinum is the only spare bus available, it'll have to be used.
Or they could be giving Cranes Park passengers a 'taste' for what's to come! ;D
The '18th' platinum board is now a morning peak board on the 60 instead of the 829
6702 on the 60 just left Yardley to City.
Two 24s in convoy.. One of them was Cerys (a 494* Enviro - fleetnumber escapes me!) and 4884, which I'm on.. 4884 has just got to the relief point via Snow Hill Queensway as opposed to Livery Street.
Quote from: clayderman on July 12, 2016, 04:59:00 PM
Two 24s in convoy.. One of them was Cerys (a 494* Enviro - fleetnumber escapes me!) and 4884, which I'm on.. 4884 has just got to the relief point via Snow Hill Queensway as opposed to Livery Street.
Quick question, what is the relief point for the 22/3/4?
Quote from: Dom on July 12, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
Quick question, what is the relief point for the 22/3/4?
Colmore Circus Queensway, by the end of Steelhouse Lane at the mini roundabout
Quote from: John on July 12, 2016, 05:02:36 PM
Colmore Circus Queensway, by the end of Steelhouse Lane at the mini roundabout
Oooh okay, cheers John
2137 on 45. Seen at 16:50 at West Heath towards City
5513 been fitted with nearside advert frames now. Nothing in them yet..
Quote from: clayderman on July 14, 2016, 07:48:34 AM
5513 been fitted with nearside advert frames now. Nothing in them yet..
Offside too
Quote from: Mike K on July 14, 2016, 11:17:38 AM
Offside too
Only offside, actually. :P My mistake.. Had got it wrong. ::)
Quote from: Stu on July 14, 2016, 06:44:22 PM
Looks like no-one else spotted 4616 on the 957 this evening, bit of a blast from the past lol
Saw it in the afternoon but forgot to mention it. Saw a Crimson Enviro on it this morning as well
5511 has been fitted with ad frames on all sides. Out on 22/23.
Strange looking silver bus parked at BC...
Quote from: AndrewLee on July 19, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Strange looking silver bus parked at BC...
Streetlite demonstrator.
Quote from: Gareth on July 19, 2016, 07:42:21 PM
Streetlite demonstrator.
Same one that was at Pensnett a while back? Since NX ordered the additional 4 Streetdecks, I'm quite open to believe that they'd consider more Wrightbus products.
Also,
@filbus1 - regarding your sighting of 4623 in Bearwood, it may have been on the 9 which BC operates in the morning. I did see a 14 branded bus on the 24 some time around 1030 and 1100; wonder if it's been the same bus?
Quote from: clayderman on July 19, 2016, 08:42:10 PM
Same one that was at Pensnett a while back? Since NX ordered the additional 4 Streetdecks, I'm quite open to believe that they'd consider more Wrightbus products.
No. That one is with Diamond in Redditch. This one is a smaller Wheel Forward model. 65 plate
Quote from: John on July 19, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
No. That one is with Diamond in Redditch. This one is a smaller Wheel Forward model. 65 plate
A photo will be on the main site in about half hour
Quote from: clayderman on July 19, 2016, 08:42:10 PM
Same one that was at Pensnett a while back? Since NX ordered the additional 4 Streetdecks, I'm quite open to believe that they'd consider more Wrightbus products.
Also, @filbus1 - regarding your sighting of 4623 in Bearwood, it may have been on the 9 which BC operates in the morning. I did see a 14 branded bus on the 24 some time around 1030 and 1100; wonder if it's been the same bus?
May have been picking up the 9 but as it was on the High Street seemed a bit strange unless turning via Sandon Road etc.
So.. I guess I was wrong, and (possibly) wrong again! :P To be fair, didn't consider the SWB Streetlites, but my point about NX being open to Wrightbus products is still personally a valid reason, I guess..
As for the off branded bus, that does seem a bit strange. Never known one on the High Street; I'd thought you were on about the Hagley Road! :P
@Tony Just curious about when 801 - 809 is going in for at least a quick tidy up?
Seen a few of them around and about today looking very battle hardend and bruise.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 20, 2016, 02:12:13 AM
@Tony
Just curious about when 801 - 809 is going in for at least a quick tidy up?
Seen a few of them around and about today looking very battle hardend and bruise.
Maybe that's what the WF Streetlite is on demo for @ BC, i.e. they are more manoeuvrable without a front overhang of an E200
Quote from: Tony on July 20, 2016, 04:49:40 PM
It's not on the 58/59. It's on the Works/school board that does the 957W, 59S, then a 59 that's always a Decker and has been mentioned on here several times
Thanks for the informtaion
@Tony
Quote from: Kevin on July 20, 2016, 07:40:58 PM
Crimson BC 4449 - 45 - 19:40 Carrs Lane
I wouldn't say a Trident on 45/47 is noteworthy but a crimson one is worth a post in this thread.
Also it is mentioned as an other allocation on the spreadsheet.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 20, 2016, 07:44:15 PM
I wouldn't say a Trident on 45/47 is noteworthy but a crimson one is worth a post in this thread.
Also it is mentioned as an other allocation on the spreadsheet.
Was more the crimson bit that got me
Quote from: Kevin on July 20, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
Was more the crimson bit that got me
Yes personally i've only seen a crimson trident on there a few times so in that way it is noteworthy
Quote from: Winston on July 20, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Maybe that's what the WF Streetlite is on demo for @ BC, i.e. they are more manoeuvrable without a front overhang of an E200
More manoeuvrable? Are you sure?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 20, 2016, 11:52:56 PM
More manoeuvrable? Are you sure?
Personally I would have thought less manoeuvrable. Not driven an Optare Solo or anything similar before tho.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 20, 2016, 11:52:56 PM
More manoeuvrable? Are you sure?
That was one of the reasons quoted why Dundee had their 5 x WF Streetlites, i.e. due to the amount of parked cars along certain routes
Quote from: MW on July 20, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
Personally I would have thought less manoeuvrable. Not driven an Optare Solo or anything similar before tho.
Of course
Wheel forward increases the wheelbase so causing a larger turning circle
On the 636 it ll be mayham
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 21, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
Of course
Wheel forward increases the wheelbase so causing a larger turning circle
On the 636 it ll be mayham
No, the largest WF Streetlites (max 37 seating capacity) are only 9.5M long, where as BC's E200's are 10.8M long.
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2016, 12:16:49 AM
No, the largest WF Streetlites (max 37 seating capacity) are only 9.5M long, where as BC's E200's are 10.8M long.
Apologies
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2016, 12:16:49 AM
No, the largest WF Streetlites (max 37 seating capacity) are only 9.5M long, where as BC's E200's are 10.8M long.
Is that length over bodywork, or wheelbase though?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 21, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
Is that length over bodywork, or wheelbase though?
Total length
There was a silver streetlite not in service in harbourn around 11ish can anyone confirm if it's the bc loan one
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Total length
Doing some rough maths then, if a door portal/ assembly is approx 1.4m wide, then door forward configuration knocks your steered wheels back by a similar amount, making the wheelbase, and therefore manoeuvrability, roughly equivalent on the two designs.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 21, 2016, 02:01:29 PM
Doing some rough maths then, if a door portal/ assembly is approx 1.4m wide, then door forward configuration knocks your steered wheels back by a similar amount, making the wheelbase, and therefore manoeuvrability, roughly equivalent on the two designs.
But you've still got 1.4M less bus to contend with in front of your wheels
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 21, 2016, 02:01:29 PM
Doing some rough maths then, if a door portal/ assembly is approx 1.4m wide, then door forward configuration knocks your steered wheels back by a similar amount, making the wheelbase, and therefore manoeuvrability, roughly equivalent on the two designs.
I wish I could write posts like this
This is quality material
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2016, 02:03:35 PM
But you've still got 1.4M less bus to contend with in front of your wheels
Indeed - it struck me that if the turning circle is effectively the same on both then the wheels-forward design would be more driver-friendly because of easier attack into tight corners.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 21, 2016, 02:12:07 PM
I wish I could write posts like this
This is quality material
LOLLARC - I can't stop myself - when vehicle/ fleet* consulting is the day job my mind has to go into enquiring/ problem solving mode!!!
* - trains though, I know next to nowt about buses
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 21, 2016, 02:25:09 PM
Indeed - it struck me that if the turning circle is effectively the same on both then the wheels-forward design would be more driver-friendly because of easier attack into tight corners.
The steering lock on the WF streetlites is crap though, unless they have improved it on newer models
Crimson trident-24
5503 is on the 61/63 today. Seen at 15:28 on Moor St heading towards Frankley
Anyone who thinks the WF 9.5m Streetlite is more driver friendly or manoeuvrable seriously needs to get a licence and get in one. They are truly hideous machines in every respect,
Zero turning circle and steering lock, virtually no power steering, too low slung giving a dreadful ride, terrible suspension and shock absorption particularly on the front axle, no power due to being far too heavy for the kit in them, dreadful brakes and in my case what seemed like only a 3 speed box with no selector, meaning you are its mercy.
If you manage to escape from the cab with your life, turn to your left and marvel at how they astonishingly crammed 37 'seats' in. If you manage to fit into a seat without removing your knee caps and putting them in your pocket, you will find yourself in a very perilous situation, akin to that moment when you're sat in a deck chair that's trying to fold itself up with you in it, only less comfortable. Fine for taking oompa loompas to work, not much use for anything else.
I wouldn't deliver milk in it.
Streetlites are shocking buses. Underpowered and very sluggish when pulling away from stops. First have them in the neighbouring fleets that are either side of me in South Wales.
Quote from: andy41 on July 23, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
Anyone who thinks the WF 9.5m Streetlite is more driver friendly or manoeuvrable seriously needs to get a licence and get in one. They are truly hideous machines in every respect,
Zero turning circle and steering lock, virtually no power steering, too low slung giving a dreadful ride, terrible suspension and shock absorption particularly on the front axle, no power due to being far too heavy for the kit in them, dreadful brakes and in my case what seemed like only a 3 speed box with no selector, meaning you are its mercy.
If you manage to escape from the cab with your life, turn to your left and marvel at how they astonishingly crammed 37 'seats' in. If you manage to fit into a seat without removing your knee caps and putting them in your pocket, you will find yourself in a very perilous situation, akin to that moment when you're sat in a deck chair that's trying to fold itself up with you in it, only less comfortable. Fine for taking oompa loompas to work, not much use for anything else.
I wouldn't deliver milk in it.
I'm currently driving a DF one that sounds exactly like that; they do tend to have better sterring locks on DF but I nearly took out a lampost trying to turn a corner with this one!
How would you guys compare the WF street lite to the Optare Solo?
Only "small" bus I've driven is the Plaxton Primo, and that was basically like driving a van
Quote from: MW on July 23, 2016, 04:23:50 PM
How would you guys compare the WF street lite to the Optare Solo?
Only "small" bus I've driven is the Plaxton Primo, and that was basically like driving a van
I hate early Solos with a passion but I'd take one any day over Streetlite. Later Solos I'm quite fond of, I think Optare products in general are far superior these days.
Quote from: MW on July 23, 2016, 04:23:50 PM
How would you guys compare the WF street lite to the Optare Solo?
Only "small" bus I've driven is the Plaxton Primo, and that was basically like driving a van
Streetlites are slowly growing on me, mainly cause the depot is full of them! But would much rather have an optare
Optares when they're working tend to be pretty good - known a few who driven on the Signatures who've commented that the Optares are good when they're working properly - i.e can actually get up any slight incline or alarm bells not going off constantly.... MFX is the best Solo SR as it had new turbos fitted; the worst having to be MFY with its' cooling fan.
The Streetlites are nothing special, just a old MK1 E200 copy. The E200MMCs are a step above the Streetlites personally and the new Optare Tempos as well. Wright's doubledeck offering is certainly superior over the single deck at the moment.
A B7RLE on the 59 at Lidl Meadway lights was scrolling between On diversion ask driver for details & Kingshurst & the scrolling via's. This was about 10:50 this morning any reason why or had the driver put the wrong destination code in???
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 27, 2016, 02:08:09 PM
A B7RLE on the 59 at Lidl Meadway lights was scrolling between On diversion ask driver for details & Kingshurst & the scrolling via's. This was about 10:50 this morning any reason why or had the driver put the wrong destination code in???
There was a 58 this evening showing the same, noticed it at Bordesley station heading towards city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJQ6Mad-DDQ
Travelled home on 6715 this evening, and was pleased to see (and hear) that the audio/visual announcements are working again. 8)
4444 has a new megarear for the new David Brent movie.
There is a trident with police and fire on moor st now
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 02, 2016, 11:46:07 PM
There is a trident with police and fire on moor st now
Rumoured to be a fuel leak.
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 02, 2016, 11:46:07 PM
There is a trident with police and fire on moor st now
It's 4181.
809 is on the 98 today. This has happened quite a few times now I think, hence I'm not posting it in Noteworthy Workings
Quote from: Chris on August 01, 2016, 09:27:11 PM
The branding posters inside the current 9s still mention 241 and 141 going to merry hill as a connection from halesowen haha
The map of the 900 also still has the 70 as a connection at Sheldon for passengers wanting Garrets Green, JLR and Solihull, the 70 was withdrawn between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull in October 2015.
I managed to find this photo showing buses parked up inside BC, it gives you some insight into how BC manages all their buses !
Single deckers on 24 becoming increasingly popular
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 12, 2016, 02:23:36 PM
Single deckers on 24 becoming increasingly popular
Didn't know they were liked on there.
Crimson enviro on a rare 61/63 outing.
2136 seen in willenhall by lane head arms lights approx. 12:30pm today. rear window was all taped up
I don't understand why the Bristol rd corridor is neglected either
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 14, 2016, 03:35:47 PM
I don't understand why the Bristol rd corridor is neglected either
So the announcement of brand new high quality buses is neglect?
For either a 961 or 963 or possible a X61 or X63 for something different monkeyjoe
4942 was my ride home this evening on the 957. Only unusual because it wasn't one of the crimson E400s that normally step in!
Was sat upstairs towards the back, and the cooling fans were running at such full pelt, it sounded more like being on an airplane than on a bus!
2127-24- no longer think noteworthy
Quote from: clayderman on August 18, 2016, 12:08:08 PM
4871 on the 45/47. (Currently 47)
Whilst the allocation in itself is not "noteworthy"; I'm sure the Crimson paintjob in itself is worth noting to some.
Yes a crimson on 45/47 is worth noting. I live basically on the route and have only seen it happen 6 times I think.
Crimson 4631/4443 are on the 61/63 today
2125 is on the 61/63 today
I saw 4177 with an engineer behind the wheel in Bordesley Green seemingly following the 97 outbound direction.
6706 parked at WA
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2016, 10:01:20 AM
To be de-branded possibly?
why would they debrand them for??
4622 now has a side ad (vinyl) for "Deepwater Horizon"
Is there a running board that starts on 98/X64/29 and then finishes on a 45/47 as I have seen it happen a few times now at about the same times. Today I had a ride on 2133 on the 45 which was about 1607 from City but it later failed just after Edgbaston
What happened to the wf streetlite that was at Birmingham few months back?
A bit random but is BC the flagship garage or is it Walsall do people reckon?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 07, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
A bit random but is BC the flagship garage or is it Walsall do people reckon?
There is no such thing as a flagship garage
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 07, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
A bit random but is BC the flagship garage or is it Walsall do people reckon?
Depends on how you measure it I guess. In terms of size and the number of higher profile high frequency key corridors then arguably BC is, but you could look at all sorts of metrics.
Saw 4617 today, wandered why I hadnt seen it for a while, then I realised why - the lower back end is freshly painted white so I reckon it had a shunt up its rear. Ooh err missus.
Quote from: Mike K on September 07, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
Depends on how you measure it I guess. In terms of size and the number of higher profile high frequency key corridors then arguably BC is, but you could look at all sorts of metrics.
AG runs the company's most iconic route tho doesn't it?
Quote from: MW on September 07, 2016, 09:29:33 PM
AG runs the company's most iconic route tho doesn't it?
Indeed. But Pensnett has the most portakabins. Actually, let's stop this discussion right here.
There is no flagship garage.
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but why are some of the BC hybrids Harborne branded and some not? I mean it's not like it's only recently, it's always been that way. Just something I've always wondered.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 01:32:47 PM
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but why are some of the BC hybrids Harborne branded and some not? I mean it's not like it's only recently, it's always been that way. Just something I've always wondered.
Harborne branded ones are exWN hybrids.
5510-5518 was sent over to BC and the other way round for 5401-5409 (BC to WN) - someone correct me if i'm wrong but some red branding had been recycled from when the Volvos were branded for the 1 back in Wolvo.
Quote from: clayderman on September 09, 2016, 04:02:06 PM
Harborne branded ones are exWN hybrids.
5510-5518 was sent over to BC and the other way round for 5401-5409 (BC to WN) - someone correct me if i'm wrong but some red branding had been recycled from when the Volvos were branded for the 1 back in Wolvo.
But why aren't 5501-5509 branded too? As they're only meant for Harborne use.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 04:07:57 PM
But why aren't 5501-5509 branded too? As they're only meant for Harborne use.
Buses are all allocated to routes, yes, but I don't think that calls for every single bus of the same calibre to be branded for strictly one/ a set of route(s). It's like saying why isn't all the Enviro 400Hs all branded for the 1? Because they're bound to show up on another route now and then. Maybe less so at BC but hybrids have appeared elsewhere; including the 14(E), 97, 957, etc..
Quote from: clayderman on September 09, 2016, 04:14:56 PM
Buses are all allocated to routes, yes, but I don't think that calls for every single bus of the same calibre to be branded for strictly one/ a set of route(s). It's like saying why isn't all the Enviro 400Hs all branded for the 1? Because they're bound to show up on another route now and then. Maybe less so at BC but hybrids have appeared elsewhere; including the 14(E), 97, 957, etc..
Yeah but they can still be used on other routes if they're branded, as you see it all the time. Just figured they would be is all. The only other routes I've seen them on are 126 and once on the X64.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
Yeah but they can still be used on other routes if they're branded, as you see it all the time. Just figured they would be is all. The only other routes I've seen them on are 126 and once on the X64.
The 126 is operated by WN.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
Yeah but they can still be used on other routes if they're branded, as you see it all the time. Just figured they would be is all.
This would make branding become irrelevant and unhelpful. Also, if you made all buses branded, then what would spare buses be branded for?
Quote from: 2206 on September 09, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
The 126 is operated by WN.
Nevertheless, when WN operated the B5LHs, they had appeared on the 126 from time to time. Having said that, I can only assume that
@MasterPlan could've meant the Hybrid fleet as a whole?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
Yeah but they can still be used on other routes if they're branded, as you see it all the time. Just figured they would be is all. The only other routes I've seen them on are 126 and once on the X64.
I think I understand where you're coming from.. I believe (when) branding is smart, clear & legible - it serves as a really helpful tool for the operator's customers. On the other hand, I'd also say that branding should be kept to a minimum.
As you've mentioned, they can still be used on other routes. However, you wouldn't believe the amount of times buses off their branded routes has caused confusion amongst people. My *stubborn* friend had refused to believe me when I said that the 24 was not running at an "Every 7 Minutes" frequency - claiming he saw it on the bus; turns out it was a 14 branded bus..
I seem to remember this article (prior to the introduction of Platinums) about a someone who had caught a 59(?), thinking it was the 957 because of the branding...
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 09, 2016, 08:17:34 PM
This would make branding become irrelevant and unhelpful. Also, if you made all buses branded, then what would spare buses be branded for?
I didn't think the Hybrids were 'spares' though? I thought Tridents, E400s were used as spares.
Quote from: clayderman on September 09, 2016, 08:19:46 PM
I think I understand where you're coming from.. I believe (when) branding is smart, clear & legible - it serves as a really helpful tool for the operator's customers. On the other hand, I'd also say that branding should be kept to a minimum.
As you've mentioned, they can still be used on other routes. However, you wouldn't believe the amount of times buses off their branded routes has caused confusion amongst people. My *stubborn* friend had refused to believe me when I said that the 24 was not running at an "Every 7 Minutes" frequency - claiming he saw it on the bus; turns out it was a 14 branded bus..
I seem to remember this article (prior to the introduction of Platinums) about a someone who had caught a 59(?), thinking it was the 957 because of the branding...
To be honest though, if you can't spot that it says 59 on the front of the bus (or the back, or the side) then it's your own fault in all honesty. Branded buses on other routes isn't exactly a new thing anymore. As for the 24 scenario, again it clearly says "14" next to the every 7 mins, so I don't understand what the problem is there either. I guessed that maybe eventually most routes would be branded in some fashion, but maybe not. Which is a shame, because as you say, when it's done properly it looks smart.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 09:48:13 PM
I didn't think the Hybrids were 'spares' though? I thought Tridents, E400s were used as spares.
Correct, the 'spare' Hybrids are used on the 24, also a Harborne route, with the bulk of them on the 22/23.
The original question by MasterPlan is reasonable. The B5s spend 99% of their time on Harborne routes; of every vehicle type in the current fleet, they probably stray the least. For most batches of buses for a specific route or group of routes, it's not unusual for 70 to 80% to be branded, with the B5s it's only 50%.
One reason could be forward planning, if for whatever reason they move to another route, they wouldn't have to be rebranded. Plus they can be used on other routes as emergency spares.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 09, 2016, 11:48:26 PM
One reason could be forward planning, if for whatever reason they move to another route, they wouldn't have to be rebranded. Plus they can be used on other routes as emergency spares.
You could say that about any route that has branded vehicles. The norm is to have the majority branded. They are hardly ever used on other routes as emergency spares - 'spares' tend to be used on the 24 which operates the same route to Harborne, so the branding is still applicable.
Yeah but they aren't specially route branded anyway, they are just corridor branded so there is flexibility for the 24 and even 29. Another thing to remember is that the original lot were never branded anyway, when the ex Wolves Volvos moved over they were just making use of the leftover 1 branding. Just like now the 529 tridents are becoming pink 10s.
Quote from: Mike K on September 09, 2016, 11:15:03 PM
Correct, the 'spare' Hybrids are used on the 24, also a Harborne route, with the bulk of them on the 22/23.
The original question by MasterPlan is reasonable. The B5s spend 99% of their time on Harborne routes; of every vehicle type in the current fleet, they probably stray the least. For most batches of buses for a specific route or group of routes, it's not unusual for 70 to 80% to be branded, with the B5s it's only 50%.
Yeah exactly. There doesn't seem to as much that are branded as with others. And as you say they get used on the 24 and 29 as apares.usually so it's still Harborne.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2016, 09:52:31 PM
To be honest though, if you can't spot that it says 59 on the front of the bus (or the back, or the side) then it's your own fault in all honesty.
I'm sure the Eye Hospital guys would be interested to hear your progressive views. 8)
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 14, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
I'm sure the Eye Hospital guys would be interested to hear your progressive views. 8)
Well there's always glasses or contact lenses. No need to be snide.
How come the Hybrids are never being used to help out the 29? I'm on yet another packed single decker right now. They seem to get put on the 24 regularly when that route is practically all deckers as it is
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2016, 04:00:25 PM
How come the Hybrids are never being used to help out the 29? I'm on yet another packed single decker right now. They seem to get put on the 24 regularly when that route is practically all deckers as it is
5515 is on there, or at least had been this morning. Not sure of its whereabouts since then.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2016, 03:58:39 PM
Well there's always glasses or contact lenses. No need to be snide.
And what glasses help people with dyslexia see the numbers in the right order?
There's many people around who cannot read a destination display easily
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2016, 03:58:39 PM
Well there's always glasses or contact lenses. No need to be snide.
One man's snide is another's irony. Do you happen to know the prescription of Stevie Wonder's contact lenses?
As Tony says, visual impairment takes all sorts of forms. Greater awareness of this does everyone a favour. Awareness and patience.
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2016, 04:12:52 PM
And what glasses help people with dyslexia see the numbers in the right order?
There's many people around who cannot read a destination display easily
Well I'd imagine that those people would maybe ask the driver or something if they were having difficulty in knowing what route it is?
Quote from: clayderman on September 14, 2016, 04:09:45 PM
5515 is on there, or at least had been this morning. Not sure of its whereabouts since then.
Yeah ironically I saw one about 20 minutes of posting this, but this was a rarity today. Most days you don't see it. Sundays are well and good but what about during the week at busy times..
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 14, 2016, 04:28:47 PM
One man's snide is another's irony. Do you happen to know the prescription of Stevie Wonder's contact lenses?
As Tony says, visual impairment takes all sorts of forms. Greater awareness of this does everyone a favour. Awareness and patience.
Well "Stevie Wonder" wouldn't have seen the branding either so that is irrelevant to the original point.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2016, 05:34:24 PM
Yeah ironically I saw one about 20 minutes of posting this, but this was a rarity today. Most days you don't see it. Sundays are well and good but what about during the week at busy times..
Why should they be used in the week during the day. Tridents and E400 are both very common on the 29.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
Well "Stevie Wonder" wouldn't have seen the branding either so that is irrelevant to the original point.
LOL through disbelief - your original point was this, verbatim:
"if you can't spot that it says 59 on the front of the bus (or the back, or the side) then it's your own fault"I find that offensive, like I find your flippancy towards people with a disability offensive. (Sorry Tony and Admin.).
I wasn't born with perfect vision - and I've had operations to sort it - but as far as you're concerned that birth defect was
my fault.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
Why should they be used in the week during the day. Tridents and E400 are both very common on the 29.
I would say about 50/50 between single deckers and deckers
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
Why should they be used in the week during the day. Tridents and E400 are both very common on the 29.
It's been mostly single deckers recently.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 14, 2016, 05:53:15 PM
LOL through disbelief - your original point was this, verbatim:
"if you can't spot that it says 59 on the front of the bus (or the back, or the side) then it's your own fault"
I find that offensive, like I find your flippancy towards people with a disability offensive. (Sorry Tony and Admin.).
I wasn't born with perfect vision - and I've had operations to sort it - but as far as you're concerned that birth defect was my fault.
Erm... actually that was in response to someone mentioning a 59 bus on a differently branded bus who thought it was the the branded number in circulation instead of the 59, so... again... as I said, a blind person wouldn't have seen the branding either so I don't understand the need to bring that up. I'm not sure where I condemned anybody with disabilities exactly. It seems like you're trying to best to be offended and argue?
I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough not to take any notice personally.
I also have sympathy with people who can't wind their necks in for whatever reason, because I wouldn't say it was necessarily their fault.
Thankfully, Centro / TfWM have Bus Hailers that allow you to flip over numbers (Which are in braille as well as print) and tell drivers what bus service number the passenger is looking to get on.
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=x-raw-image%3A%2F%2F%2F175b706884d5f31ff7b1dda9828f585a6cac0450fa9359e6946106f80eb33233&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcentro.org.uk%2Fmedia%2F10909%2FEquality_and_Inclusion_Review_2009_10.pdf&docid=b-G5NpvJ8Da8KM&tbnid=H_PVhGhwWxf4EM%3A&w=400&h=301&itg=1&bih=940&biw=1920&ved=undefined&iact=c&ictx=1 (https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=x-raw-image%3A%2F%2F%2F175b706884d5f31ff7b1dda9828f585a6cac0450fa9359e6946106f80eb33233&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcentro.org.uk%2Fmedia%2F10909%2FEquality_and_Inclusion_Review_2009_10.pdf&docid=b-G5NpvJ8Da8KM&tbnid=H_PVhGhwWxf4EM%3A&w=400&h=301&itg=1&bih=940&biw=1920&ved=undefined&iact=c&ictx=1)
While these help, they are rather bulky and not everyone can carry them all the time. Branding therefore helps people have an extra piece of help when hailing a bus. I have good vision but on some buses, the destination display can be hard to read. Branding helps assist with a more visual aid to tell me that the bus is coming and also helps me prepare to stop the bus before it is flying past and it is too late.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 14, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough not to take any notice personally.
I also have sympathy with people who can't wind their necks in for whatever reason, because I wouldn't say it was necessarily their fault.
You seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder, mate. I didn't say anywhere that blind people are at fault for their blindness or any of that other drivel you've accused me off. I made a general comment and you've gone out of your way to twist my words.
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 14, 2016, 06:49:57 PM
Thankfully, Centro / TfWM have Bus Hailers that allow you to flip over numbers (Which are in braille as well as print) and tell drivers what bus service number the passenger is looking to get on.
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=x-raw-image%3A%2F%2F%2F175b706884d5f31ff7b1dda9828f585a6cac0450fa9359e6946106f80eb33233&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcentro.org.uk%2Fmedia%2F10909%2FEquality_and_Inclusion_Review_2009_10.pdf&docid=b-G5NpvJ8Da8KM&tbnid=H_PVhGhwWxf4EM%3A&w=400&h=301&itg=1&bih=940&biw=1920&ved=undefined&iact=c&ictx=1 (https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=x-raw-image%3A%2F%2F%2F175b706884d5f31ff7b1dda9828f585a6cac0450fa9359e6946106f80eb33233&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcentro.org.uk%2Fmedia%2F10909%2FEquality_and_Inclusion_Review_2009_10.pdf&docid=b-G5NpvJ8Da8KM&tbnid=H_PVhGhwWxf4EM%3A&w=400&h=301&itg=1&bih=940&biw=1920&ved=undefined&iact=c&ictx=1)
While these help, they are rather bulky and not everyone can carry them all the time. Branding therefore helps people have an extra piece of help when hailing a bus. I have good vision but on some buses, the destination display can be hard to read. Branding helps assist with a more visual aid to tell me that the bus is coming and also helps me prepare to stop the bus before it is flying past and it is too late.
Yeah, I'm all for the route branding as it helps a lot, I've never said otherwise. Quite the opposite infact. I struggle to see long distances and even with my glasses on can't see the display sometimes from a distance away especially the faded-out Trident displays. So again, I wasn't
blaming anybody like that, it was just a general comment.
This ends now.
None of this has to do with BC garage. You have posted 4 of the last 6 pasts
@MasterPlan If you wanted your say back you only needed one. I don't want to see any more on the subject from anyone
I'm flying out from Birmingham Aiport on Sunday afternoon, and returning a week later, at approx 1am Monday morning.
I'm curious to know why there are 900A journeys between City Centre and Coventry via the Airport during the night, but no return journeys during that time?
I just find it bizarre that to get back home to South Yardley from the airport, I have to get a 97A to Birmingham city centre, and then get the 900A!
Quote from: Stu on September 15, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
I'm flying out from Birmingham Aiport on Sunday afternoon, and returning a week later, at approx 1am Monday morning.
I'm curious to know why there are 900A journeys between City Centre and Coventry via the Airport during the night, but no return journeys during that time?
I just find it bizarre that to get back home to South Yardley from the airport, I have to get a 97A to Birmingham city centre, and then get the 900A!
You are obviously really unlucky to have a flight that just misses the 00:54 from the Airport to Yardley
Quote from: Stu on September 15, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
I'm flying out from Birmingham Aiport on Sunday afternoon, and returning a week later, at approx 1am Monday morning.
I'm curious to know why there are 900A journeys between City Centre and Coventry via the Airport during the night, but no return journeys during that time?
I just find it bizarre that to get back home to South Yardley from the airport, I have to get a 97A to Birmingham city centre, and then get the 900A!
The 966A also had only inbound journeys to the Airport (on Sunday mornings)
Could you not get train at time?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 15, 2016, 08:48:39 PM
Could you not get train at time?
Don't think it runs that late
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 15, 2016, 08:48:39 PM
Could you not get train at time?
Where to? South Yardley Station?
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Where to? South Yardley Station?
Found the last train departs too early to stetchford.
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2016, 08:08:19 PM
You are obviously really unlucky to have a flight that just misses the 00:54 from the Airport to Yardley
I'm lucky that I'm travelling with my parents, and they have booked a taxi to take them back to Oldbury, so I'll just hitch a ride with them to the Swan ;)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 16, 2016, 08:06:45 AM
Found the last train departs too early to stetchford.
Thanks, I will really appreciate a 40 minute walk from Stechford to South Yardley in the middle of the night ;D
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Where to? South Yardley Station?
Response of the year. Thanks Tony, that's made my day! :D
5515 I think on the 29 done a 29E to Northfield about 11:40 this morning saw on Priory Queensway while waiting for the 72 to go home, I am aware that this is a regular thing but to me worth posting in the garage thread as opposed to the NW thread
Occasional Tridents on the 22/23 aren't that unusual but today 4157, 4617 and 4633 are all on there, along with B7RLE 2136. Certainly not your usual allocations.
Quote from: Mike K on September 21, 2016, 03:10:35 PM
Occasional Tridents on the 22/23 aren't that unusual but today 4157, 4617 and 4633 are all on there, along with B7RLE 2136. Certainly not your usual allocations.
A crimson E400 is also on there.
Quote from: Mike K on September 21, 2016, 03:10:35 PM
Occasional Tridents on the 22/23 aren't that unusual but today 4157, 4617 and 4633 are all on there, along with B7RLE 2136. Certainly not your usual allocations.
Saw another one on the 23 this morning.
Is that the first hybrid ever to be on the 98? Very unusual
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 23, 2016, 07:31:00 PM
Is that the first hybrid ever to be on the 98? Very unusual
I suspect so, Just covering one trip due in city at 1959
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 23, 2016, 07:31:00 PM
Is that the first hybrid ever to be on the 98? Very unusual
In fact has any decker ever done that route?
Quote from: Kevin on September 23, 2016, 07:37:13 PM
In fact has any decker ever done that route?
A President has on a 98E (to Rednal), I do recall.
Quote from: clayderman on September 23, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
A President has on a 98E (to Rednal), I do recall.
No, don't think one has. It would of been unsuitable because of the low trees wouldn't it? Ones been on the X64 tough.
So is it possible to get a decker through the route in Edgbaston now, were the low trees are?
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
No, don't think one has, ones been on the X64 tough.
So is it possible to get a decker through the route in Edgbaston now, were the low trees are?
There was a photo of it a while back. I had it saved on my computer but I can't seem to find it now..
Even if it weren't, deckers has appeared on the 98, albeit E journeys. See here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3083.msg111063#msg111063
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
No, don't think one has. It would of been unsuitable because of the low trees wouldn't it? Ones been on the X64 tough.
So is it possible to get a decker through the route in Edgbaston now, were the low trees are?
I drive down Wheeleys Road most days and the trees are really mature and quite low. I wasn't aware of them having been cut back, but couldn't be sure. You'd have to be careful taking a decker along there if they hadn't been. Very rare working indeed.
6712 operated on the 60 AM Peak Board today (First Time I've seen a 957 Branded One on there) :D
4634 has now gone to paint, to receive an updated name plaque on completion to mark the unfortunate death of Noel Mulvey
Platinum on broad st going up at five ways tonight in service
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2016, 07:49:04 PM
4634 has now gone to paint, to receive an updated name plaque on completion to mark the unfortunate death of Noel Mulvey
Nice one!
4896 currently in West Bromwich.
Hybrid was on the 9 school running board this morning
14 branded 4623 has the black all over Clarks ad, and its on the 97
Quote from: John on September 27, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
14 branded 4623 has the black all over Clarks ad, and its on the 97
4620 also has the Clark advert which was the one I saw on the 97 about 11:15 coming across Priory Queensway while I was on 4491 on the 94
@John
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 27, 2016, 05:48:36 PM
4620 also has the Clark advert which was the one I saw on the 97 about 11:15 coming across Priory Queensway while I was on 4491 on the 94 @John
I think 4622 was the third one I saw, on the Bristol Road
Quote from: John on September 27, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
I think 4622 was the third one I saw, on the Bristol Road
Yes, next overall advert will be a 42xx at PB
Quote from: John on September 27, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
14 branded 4623 has the black all over Clarks ad, and its on the 97
4623 isn't 14 branded. I don't think.
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
Yes, next overall advert will be a 42xx at PB
Closest thAt a trident will become to the platinum livery
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 28, 2016, 09:05:21 AM
Closest thAt a trident will become to the platinum livery
Ahh yes, the well known Volvo Trident.
Quote from: Dom on September 28, 2016, 06:52:02 AM
Yes it is mate.
Not according to the main site. 4611-4615 and 4624-27. 9 in total.
Quote from: Gareth on September 28, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Not according to the main site. 4611-4615 and 4624-27. 9 in total.
There are pictures on Flickr of it branded. May of been debranded.
Quote from: Gareth on September 28, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
Not according to the main site. 4611-4615 and 4624-27. 9 in total.
@Gareth https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/16383445430/
Thanks Winston! When I saw the list I thought there had been 10 originally then began to doubt myself. 😃
4469 on the 14. Has a Crimson Trident ever appeared on the 14, prior to now?
Quote from: clayderman on September 28, 2016, 05:21:03 PM
4469 on the 14. Has a Crimson Trident ever appeared on the 14, prior to now?
Yes think think i've seen a couple on it including 4621 and 4631 which have appeared
Both 6717 & 6718 were on the 60 this morning :D
6718 was on the AM Peak Board.
6717 was on another board (don't know which one) Seen it on Sheaf Lane working the 10:00 Cranes Park - Birmingham.
Re Platinums 4871 was on 900.
Quote from: JoNi on October 03, 2016, 02:39:49 PM
Re Platinums 4871 was on 900.
6710 AND 4871 left Birmingham around 17:45 together. Both to Coventry.
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 03, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
Both 6717 & 6718 were on the 60 this morning :D
6718 was on the AM Peak Board.
6717 was on another board (don't know which one) Seen it on Sheaf Lane working the 10:00 Cranes Park - Birmingham.
I don't know board numbers, but 6717 was doing the 08:26 journey from the Swan to city when I saw it this morning. I wonder how many people got on thinking it was the 900 that was showing as 'due' :D (As it happened I got on the 900 just behind, which ended up carrying on down Coventry Road as Small Heath Highway was congested)
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 03, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
Both 6717 & 6718 were on the 60 this morning
6718 is on the 29E now.
4876 pulled out of service this morning due to someone throwing up on the bus. Now I'm not expecting NX to fart gold, but as a result, I am now late.
Edited to correct spelling error.
Alternatively... you could of sat next to or smelt someone's vomit??
Quote from: danny on October 05, 2016, 01:45:47 PM
Alternatively... you could of sat next to or smelt someone's vomit??
Well, obviously that's not what I was implying. Of course I understand that a replacement bus would take time to prepare it for service (should one be available) - nevertheless (and I'm not particularly sure how to word this without sound arrogant and narrow minded) when the 24 eventually arrived, there were two in convoy. A little bit of an inconvenience, if you asked me.
Furthermore, the 24 was diverted again via War Lane, Tennal Road and Tennal Lane due to a collision this morning in Harborne (Court Oak Road). Not particularly related to the vomit bus but added to the fact that I was late.
Can anybody explain why a 24 comes into service at 7:25 am every morning right behind another 24 at Steelhouse Lane?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 05, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
Can anybody explain why a 24 comes into service at 7:25 am every morning right behind another 24 at Steelhouse Lane?
Probably a duplicate bus or peak time extra in case the service gets busy, on the 7 route there's an extra bus usually about 2mins behind the timetabled working (think it leaves perry common at about 7:10) which runs to city then goes out of service
4445 on the 24
B7-99 11:38 depart halesowen
Is the back led display on 5504 not working? I don't think it's the first time I've seen nothing on it.
6718 on the 60 left City around 15 minutes ago
On another full single decker 29. Seems to be 90% singles lately again.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 13, 2016, 05:04:14 PM
On another full single decker 29. Seems to be 90% singles lately again.
4 out of 11 running boards today were double deck which is about normal.
Now I know I left school 38 years ago, but I didn't know they had changed how to work percentage out
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2016, 06:18:51 PM
4 out of 11 running boards today were double deck which is about normal.
Now I know I left school 38 years ago, but I didn't know they had changed how to work percentage out
Well without access to such information how am I supposed to know the exact number in circuit? There's no need to be condescending...
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 13, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Well without access to such information how am I supposed to know the exact number in circuit?
You were the one quoting 90%. To come to that conclusion you would have needed to have seen 10 buses including only 1 single deck
Changing the subject slightly, I am surprised at the number of Tridents that appear on the 29, even on late nights too. As the Harborne routes operate the 13 plate Hybrids, I would have thought any non Hybrid buses would be of similar age (ie Enviro 400s or Single deck 21xx).
There are plenty of spare E400, yet almost daily there's at least a couple or more Tridents on the 29.
@Bham Central Driver with potential ex PB enviro 400s coming which would fit well the batches. Do you think they would upgrade the 61/63 with them to work with the platinums of the X61 if I had to choose between a 16 year old Trident and a brand new bus I would go for the latter
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 14, 2016, 01:35:42 AM
Changing the subject slightly, I am surprised at the number of Tridents that appear on the 29, even on late nights too. As the Harborne routes operate the 13 plate Hybrids, I would have thought any non Hybrid buses would be of similar age (ie Enviro 400s or Single deck 21xx).
There are plenty of spare E400, yet almost daily there's at least a couple or more Tridents on the 29.
Any old bus seems to get chucked onto the 29 to be honest.
Quote from: Chris on October 14, 2016, 08:03:35 AM
@Bham Central Driver with potential ex PB enviro 400s coming which would fit well the batches. Do you think they would upgrade the 61/63 with them to work with the platinums of the X61 if I had to choose between a 16 year old Trident and a brand new bus I would go for the latter
With our current Platinums going and replaced with a slighly larger batch I would suspect that a few 41s would go. However if we get some or all of the ex PB Enviros then there should be more 41s going. I would imagine 2117 and 2119 would go to PL too.
If we were to have all of the PB Enviros that would mean BC would have 4895 - 4949 inclusive which is quite a large batch of similar aged buses, personally I would have thought it better to stagger these out by giving some ex PB ones to other garages.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 14, 2016, 12:43:38 PM
With our current Platinums going and replaced with a slighly larger batch I would suspect that a few 41s would go. However if we get some or all of the ex PB Enviros then there should be more 41s going. I would imagine 2117 and 2119 would go to PL too.
If we were to have all of the PB Enviros that would mean BC would have 4895 - 4949 inclusive which is quite a large batch of similar aged buses, personally I would have thought it better to stagger these out by giving some ex PB ones to other garages.
Pretty sure that it has been said that 4914-39 are not going to the same garage
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 14, 2016, 12:43:38 PM
With our current Platinums going and replaced with a slighly larger batch I would suspect that a few 41s would go. However if we get some or all of the ex PB Enviros then there should be more 41s going. I would imagine 2117 and 2119 would go to PL too.
If we were to have all of the PB Enviros that would mean BC would have 4895 - 4949 inclusive which is quite a large batch of similar aged buses, personally I would have thought it better to stagger these out by giving some ex PB ones to other garages.
I reckon some of the ex PB E400's will go to WB to replace a quantity of Presidents, there won't be many garages that can take Y-reg Tridents after May next year.
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 12:45:51 PM
Pretty sure that it has been said that 4914-39 are not going to the same garage
Oh right must have missed that, Cheers John.
Quote from: Winston on October 14, 2016, 12:50:28 PM
I reckon some of the ex PB E400's will go to WB to replace a quantity of Presidents, there won't be many garages that can take Y-reg Tridents after May next year.
Wonder if it may be better for the company to sell some off while they are still reasonably tidy?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 14, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
Wonder if it may be better for the company to sell some off while they are still reasonably tidy?
That's an option, as all the current double deckers expected to be withdrawn over the next 12 -18 months i.e. Presidents & early Tridents can be sold on for further service to smaller operators, if their condition allows. It's not like previous attempts of trying to sell unpopular / uncommon types such as B6LE's / B10L's & Merc 0405N's
6706 has lost its side branding.
Quote from: JoNi on October 15, 2016, 09:11:54 AM
6706 has lost its side its side branding.
Is it completely debranded? Are BC receiving it's new platinums soon?
Quote from: Chris on October 15, 2016, 04:58:48 PM
Is it completely debranded? Are BC receiving it's new platinums soon?
Completly de-branded both sides and rear, just the platinum info on the rear of the sides
6709 has also lost its side branding.
Quote from: JoNi on October 17, 2016, 03:43:01 PM
6709 has also lost its side branding.
can pn have it soon?
Quote from: karl724223 on October 17, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
can pn have it soon?
What would PN want with 6709s branding ;)
2145/Crimson 4443 and another B7RLE are on the 61/63 today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 20, 2016, 03:29:45 PM
2145/Crimson 4443 and another B7RLE are on the 61/63 today
2145 is on the 97 today seen it on Bordesley Green by Inner Circle this morning & in town by Selfridges this afternoon
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 21, 2016, 05:28:12 PM
2145 is on the 97 today seen it on Bordesley Green by Inner Circle this morning & in town by Selfridges this afternoon
2151 was on the Bristol Road early afternoon
Does anybody else think the MMCs look much smarter with the adverts off the rear windows?
Now the BC ones are being debranded they look much better and passengers can now see out of the rear windows!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 24, 2016, 01:07:57 AM
Does anybody else think the MMCs look much smarter with the adverts off the rear windows?
Now the BC ones are being debranded they look much better and passengers can now see out of the rear windows!
The Yardley Wood ones (6147/6148) and the Acocks Green ones (2201/2202) look very smart.
With the adverts they look tacky in my opinion.
Quote from: MW on October 24, 2016, 01:13:12 AM
The Yardley Wood ones (6147/6148) and the Acocks Green ones (2201/2202) look very smart.
With the adverts they look tacky in my opinion.
I agree, 6147/8 look immaculate and even the newly painted buses look good without any branding or adverts.
6705 & 6715 are now debranded both are/were on 957 when I seen them at Yardley Swan this morning
Quote from: JoNi on October 24, 2016, 04:45:21 PM
4938 on 900 with black branding
@JoNi - I surmise this means the black stripe is in tact? If that's the case, then (if it's anything like the WN-WA Trident transfers) could BC be getting a new branded route? ???
So the x61 is official now I wonder if the 63 frequency will be increased now then? Came on this weeks centro bus services update?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 24, 2016, 05:36:37 PM
So the x61 is official now I wonder if the 63 frequency will be increased now then? Came on this weeks centro bus services update?
Why would the 63 increase ? In anything I would have thought it'd decrease if the express service becomes more popular and more people would be using it to go further instead of the 61/3.
4938 still has its black stripes and Evening saver branding on sides and back, together with "blob" on upper deck front window.
Quote from: JoNi on October 24, 2016, 05:39:32 PM
4938 still has its black stripes and Evening saver branding on sides and back, together with "blob" on upper deck front window.
That branding will more than likely be kept, unless new route branding is due for them. None of ours have been de-branded
Quote from: JoNi on October 24, 2016, 05:39:32 PM
4938 still has its black stripes and Evening saver branding on sides and back, together with "blob" on upper deck front window.
Ah, I forgot 4938 was ticket branded.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 05:39:01 PM
Why would the 63 increase ? In anything I would have thought it'd decrease if the express service becomes more popular and more people would be using it to go further instead of the 61/3.
I don't know but reading the changes it will only be the 63 that will stop everywhere
Flickr eventually decided to upload 4938!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/FztFUT
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/n258q1
Are the Sutton e400 still with their black stripes for a reason or they just haven't got around to removing them yet?
Think somebody mentioned that they probably won't be removed as their only price branding. Makes then nice an easy to spot though as I saw 4937 on the 29
Quote from: 1907 on October 27, 2016, 04:59:09 PM
Think somebody mentioned that they probably won't be removed as their only price branding. Makes then nice an easy to spot though as I saw 4937 on the 29
Yeah I'm on 4987 now on the 29. I suppose it does but it just seems odd is all.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 27, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
Yeah I'm on 4987 now on the 29. I suppose it does but it just seems odd is all.
Yes, very odd a Coventry Enviro 400 being in Birmingham though it is in Coventry... ;)
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 27, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
Yes, very odd a Coventry Enviro 400 being in Birmingham though it is in Coventry... ;)
Lol sorry yeah it was 4937 I couldn't see it properly.
4881 on the 70 this morning.Noticed a couple earlier in the week but this is the first I identified.
4937 is on the 22/23.
Quote from: 2206 on October 31, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
4937 is on the 22/23.
Also noted 4938 on the Pershore Road and 4939 on the 24.
Quote from: 2206 on October 31, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
4937 is on the 22/23.
I believe 4937 is on the BR today saw it turning into Albert St from Dale End while I was on Priory Queensway about 9:40 this morning
6711 is now debranded currently out on 957
4632 is a beast!
Will the 63 plate ex PB for BC be branded for the 63 (maybe repainted but they are still quite young)
There appears to be a Trident with a dodgy display showing 633 on the front (Bristol Road) I assume it must be a problem with the display, as the first 63 was showing normally, but the last 3 looked as if it's had been 'cut-off', for lack of a better word.
97 branded 4462 has just passed me on Birmingham Road near the Boundary Hotel in Walsall. Any idea what it's doing?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 04, 2016, 10:30:22 AM
97 branded 4462 has just passed me on Birmingham Road near the Boundary Hotel in Walsall. Any idea what it's doing?
Booking a cheap room by the hour for a liaison with a pair of tidy old DD Bristols?
Just seen a pic of a stagecoach bus coming out of adl filkirk and begging is some nxwm platnium e400 mmc already price branding (12:60) are these the Birmingham central ones /I thought the bus repair put the branding on not the manufacture https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/30147055254/in/feed
4939 is on the 24 today.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
4939 is on the 24 today.
Can appear on any BC route that operates Enviros (24 included).
All of 6711-6715 are now debranded
Numbers of E400s on the 61/63 are definitely increasing, 5 consecutive buses heading out of city during this morning's rush hour were all Enviros.
Because BC now have more E400s than they did before.
Quote from: Gareth on November 07, 2016, 07:29:59 PM
Because BC now have more E400s than they did before.
Yes I'm well aware of that, point I was making is that it's looking like Bristol Rd will be the corridor to get the newer buses as opposed to other routes.
Quote from: Mike K on November 07, 2016, 08:13:54 PM
Yes I'm well aware of that, point I was making is that it's looking like Bristol Rd will be the corridor to get the newer buses as opposed to other routes.
My hunch is that they want the corridor to be fairly new when the Platinums arrive for it
Looks like a Trident has broken down on the Quinton Road. Didn't catch which one though.
Looks like 6825 inside BC right now.
Unless my eyes are playing tricks with me, does 5514 have a new set of wheels? Didn't see up close, and it had been raining, but they certainly looks verrryyyy shiny.. ???
Quote from: clayderman on November 10, 2016, 06:02:47 PM
Unless my eyes are playing tricks with me, does 5514 have a new set of wheels? Didn't see up close, and it had been raining, but they certainly looks verrryyyy shiny.. ???
Hubs could have just been cleaned (dare I say for the first time since new :P)
4871 is on the 61/63.
4933 is on the 24.
4872 is on the 29.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 10, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Hubs could have just been cleaned (dare I say for the first time since new :P)
Saw it yesterday. Definitely look brand new and they even look like they may be chrome.
Quote from: Gareth on November 12, 2016, 01:30:57 PM
Saw it yesterday. Definitely look brand new and they even look like they may be chrome.
Are they like the ones on this years Plattys?
First 4 new buses now delivered, will be available for service from Wednesday
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2016, 01:50:54 PM
First 4 new buses now delivered, will be available for service from Wednesday
Would imagine the first ones will be for 900 / 957 - latterly X1 and X2 and the last of the batch for X61?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 12, 2016, 02:08:40 PM
Would imagine the first ones will be for 900 / 957 - latterly X1 and X2 and the last of the batch for X61?
I wonder if they'll be 'part-branded', like the Sutton Lines ones (ie without route number), as 4th December is not too far away now.
Actually, thinking about it, would it be useful to brand them up for the X1 and X2 now, to get people used to the idea of the new route numbers?
4634 is out in crimson today. On the 61/63
Bristol Road certainly seems to be getting better buses on it lately with more Crimson Tridents appearing and plenty of Enviro 400s on there most days now
Quote from: Stu on November 12, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
I wonder if they'll be 'part-branded', like the Sutton Lines ones (ie without route number), as 4th December is not too far away now.
Actually, thinking about it, would it be useful to brand them up for the X1 and X2 now, to get people used to the idea of the new route numbers?
It'll be like when the 451 changed and they branded pressies up and sent them out a couple of days before so people can adjust
I suppose the big question, which I'm surprised nobody else has asked yet, is where will BCs current Platinums get cascaded to first, Walsall, Pensnett or Acocks Green? 8)
Quote from: Stu on November 12, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
I suppose the big question, which I'm surprised nobody else has asked yet, is where will BCs current Platinums get cascaded to first, Walsall, Pensnett or Acocks Green? 8)
I bet Walsall as only 2 going there so would make sense as easier to replace 2 buses than 10 buses
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 12, 2016, 08:45:40 PM
I bet Walsall as only 2 going there so would make sense as easier to replace 2 buses than 10 buses
I thought it was just 6718 going there unless I missed something??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 12, 2016, 08:45:40 PM
I bet Walsall as only 2 going there so would make sense as easier to replace 2 buses than 10 buses
*1
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 12, 2016, 08:46:32 PM
I thought it was just 6718 going there unless I missed something??
I've heard Walsall is not getting an extra Platinum anymore.
Weren't the figures stating what goes were were quoted in some coach/ bus article ? Plus it's been long rumoured that WA need extra Platinums as they have 40 Platinums for 40 boards so their are no spare.
6701-10 AG 6711-8 PN
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 12, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
4634 is out in crimson today. On the 61/63
Bristol Road certainly seems to be getting better buses on it lately with more Crimson Tridents appearing and plenty of Enviro 400s on there most days now
Unfortunatly though, the E400s are not better to drive than the Tridents.
6703, 6704 and 6707 are now debranded
6703 and 6704 both on 900
6707 operated the 877 then 957 into Birmingham
4882 has had its name 'Becky' removed from the back.
Quote from: clayderman on November 10, 2016, 06:02:47 PM
Unless my eyes are playing tricks with me, does 5514 have a new set of wheels? Didn't see up close, and it had been raining, but they certainly looks verrryyyy shiny.. ???
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 10, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Hubs could have just been cleaned (dare I say for the first time since new :P)
So as it turns out, 5514 has new wheel guards (is that what it's called?) as well as having been cleaned. Looks quite nice, I must say. A one off/trial or will it be implemented on all Hybrids? (or possibly entire fleet?)
6825, 6826 and 6827 on the 957 today. They advertise their attributes but I could not see any route branding.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 16, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
6825, 6826 and 6827 on the 957 today. They advertise their attributes but I could not see any route branding.
Waiting for the route numbers to change.
With less than three weeks to go now, I'd have thought it prudent to have them fully branded for the new routes, to help with awareness.
Especially now the bus stop flags are being updated along the Coventry Road. But why are they being updated with the blue/white flags, rather than the black Platinum ones?
Quote from: Stu on November 16, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
With less than three weeks to go now, I'd have thought it prudent to have them fully branded for the new routes, to help with awareness.
Especially now the bus stop flags are being updated along the Coventry Road. But why are they being updated with the blue/white flags, rather than the black Platinum ones?
I've also noticed around the X61 terminus area that the flags there also updated to show X61 but they're also blue as opposed to black.
Bus stops also being updated on the Bristol Road, again with the normal Blue ones instead of black.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 16, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
6825, 6826 and 6827 on the 957 today. They advertise their attributes but I could not see any route branding.
The ones in service so far are generic platinum branded, not route branded examples.
@MasterPlan Birmingham Central run a few journeys on the 9 in the morning peak.
Quote from: Dom on November 17, 2016, 07:05:43 AM
@MasterPlan Birmingham Central run a few journeys on the 9 in the morning peak.
Ah I see, fair enough :)
Re: the blue/white flags, I have had the following response from Network West Midlands:
"After driver feedback we have decided to change them back to the normal flags which are more recognisable for them. They also fit with the shelters / stops better and provide a more consistent look across the network."
::)
Quote from: Stu on November 17, 2016, 07:43:22 AM
Re: the blue/white flags, I have had the following response from Network West Midlands:
"After driver feedback we have decided to change them back to the normal flags which are more recognisable for them. They also fit with the shelters / stops better and provide a more consistent look across the network."
::)
So all the money spent on changing the 126 and 529 stops appears to be wasted, if my interpretation is correct, that they will change the flags again to ' fit in '
Quote from: Stu on November 17, 2016, 07:43:22 AM
Re: the blue/white flags, I have had the following response from Network West Midlands:
"After driver feedback we have decided to change them back to the normal flags which are more recognisable for them. They also fit with the shelters / stops better and provide a more consistent look across the network."
::)
If a driver cannot recognise a bus stop in the location where there always has been a bus stop, maybe they shouldn't be driving buses. Personally I do prefer the white on blue stops. Are they really that hard to see?
Quote from: Gareth on November 17, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
If a driver cannot recognise a bus stop in the location where there always has been a bus stop, maybe they shouldn't be driving buses. Personally I do prefer the white on blue stops. Are they really that hard to see?
Yeah they are. Try looking at them in the night
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2016, 03:41:31 PM
Yeah they are. Try looking at them in the night
Give them a coat of glow in the dark paint
@karl724223
Quote from: Dom on November 17, 2016, 04:19:34 PM
Give them a coat of glow in the dark paint @karl724223
hi viz yellow or orange problem solved
Or eat your carrots good for your eyesight you never see a rabbit wearing glasses dun ya
Maybe they'll paint the platinums blue when the passengers can't see them at night.
Had a ride home on 6827 on the 957 this evening. Apart from that overpowering 'new bus' smell, and the USB points under the seats, nothing really fundamentally different with them, so I can't get excited about them.
The stop/start experience for me was the same as when I used to get 2203 and 2204 on the 37, still feels like the bus has stalled when it judders to a halt.
Could do with sorting out the tracking system and the audio/visual announcements, neither of which were working. (With reliability up the spout at present, you can't rely on either the 900 or 957 to be running on time, RTI info is invaluable!) The screens were just showing CCTV imagery, while the upstairs LED display was just scrolling "Hanover Displays". Feels like they're being rushed into service to be honest.
2128 is sat out of service on Weoley Castle Square with police cars by it. Any idea what's happened?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 18, 2016, 07:28:47 PM
2128 is sat out of service on Weoley Castle Square with police cars by it. Any idea what's happened?
Random guess: "Weoley Castle" happened to it
Quote from: Kevin on November 19, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Random guess: "Weoley Castle" happened to it
LOL - that's a weoley bad outcome for certain!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 19, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
LOL - that's a weoley bad outcome for certain!
That was sooo punny!
6828 now in service. On the 957 with 6827 today
Quote from: Kevin on November 19, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Random guess: "Weoley Castle" happened to it
Cheers for that helpful response.
4883 and 4884 have lost their names along with 4882 (I guess 4880 and 4881 have too), not long I guess till they will be 'sent to Coventry'.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 20, 2016, 11:13:42 AM
4883 and 4884 have lost their names along with 4882 (I guess 4880 and 4881 have too), not long I guess till they will be 'sent to Coventry'.
Remember this was only pure congecture - not confirmed by Tony yet - but seems possible with the de-branding. The other interesting thing is there are a number of Coventry buses which you would expect were due for full blue livery - 483x/484x; 445x and possibly 488x (if indeed they transfer!!) - possibly awaiting completion of the green spray paint for the time being!!
Quote from: don on November 20, 2016, 01:09:04 PM
Remember this was only pure congecture - not confirmed by Tony yet - but seems possible with the de-branding. The other interesting thing is there are a number of Coventry buses which you would expect were due for full blue livery - 483x/484x; 445x and possibly 488x (if indeed they transfer!!) - possibly awaiting completion of the green spray paint for the time being!!
I'd be surprised if they bother doing that small batch of slightly later Tridents (4450-54) as 4453 still carries the 100th anniversary livery and 4450 has already received a second coat of blue & white. Although they do fit inside the '4425 and more recent' rule. Next repaints due are presumably for 4830-42.
6830/6832/6833 now in service all on 957
For the moment there are 2 Ronnie Morgans. I saw 4884 on the 29 and it still carries his name on the sides.
6829 parked up in the garage next to X10 branded 6715
Quote from: Rob2832 on November 23, 2016, 12:13:55 PM
6830/6832/6833 now in service all on 957
They all seem to be tracking now on the app, which is a relief, as it takes some of the guesswork out from when they'll actually turn up :D
Still no audio/visual announcements yet though.
I think 6832 ended up getting towed from Moat Lane...
6829 0n the 957 this morning, also 6832 with NX logos and the name Ronnie Morgan. Well done NXWM/BC.
4871 and one of the new platinums are on the 900 today.
Quote from: Stu on November 17, 2016, 06:37:47 PM
Had a ride home on 6827 on the 957 this evening. Apart from that overpowering 'new bus' smell, and the USB points under the seats, nothing really fundamentally different with them, so I can't get excited about them.
The stop/start experience for me was the same as when I used to get 2203 and 2204 on the 37, still feels like the bus has stalled when it judders to a halt.
Could do with sorting out the tracking system and the audio/visual announcements, neither of which were working. (With reliability up the spout at present, you can't rely on either the 900 or 957 to be running on time, RTI info is invaluable!) The screens were just showing CCTV imagery, while the upstairs LED display was just scrolling "Hanover Displays". Feels like they're being rushed into service to be honest.
I think it was 6833 I travelled home on yesterday evening, one other difference I did notice, having had the opportunity to sit downstairs, is the addition of a scrolling display inside the lower saloon, above the monitor screen.
I'm presuming that the onboard audio/visual next stop announcements will not be enabled on these buses until the route number changes next weekend, unless there is some other reason why they have not been set up yet? If that's the case, in the meantime, would it not be useful to have the scrolling displays reminding passengers of the forthcoming service number changes? (Instead of just scrolling between "Alexander Dennis", "Travel West Midlands" and "Hanover Displays")
Quote from: Stu on November 26, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
I think it was 6833 I travelled home on yesterday evening, one other difference I did notice, having had the opportunity to sit downstairs, is the addition of a scrolling display inside the lower saloon, above the monitor screen.
I'm presuming that the onboard audio/visual next stop announcements will not be enabled on these buses until the route number changes next weekend, unless there is some other reason why they have not been set up yet? If that's the case, in the meantime, would it not be useful to have the scrolling displays reminding passengers of the forthcoming service number changes? (Instead of just scrolling between "Alexander Dennis", "Travel West Midlands" and "Hanover Displays")
One of the 678* on the 126 today on Bath Row at about 13:15 was still scrollong ("Alexander Dennis, Travel West Midlands, Hanover Displays")
6827 on the 900 to birmingham in pool meadow at 10:15.
can i send out a happy birthday message to the 97 bus route which is now 40 years young , prior to that it was the 53 operating to shirestone road only .great drivers on a very busy corridor, keep up the good work :D
6835 - 39 parked up in garage.
Quote from: Stu on November 26, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
I think it was 6833 I travelled home on yesterday evening, one other difference I did notice, having had the opportunity to sit downstairs, is the addition of a scrolling display inside the lower saloon, above the monitor screen.
I'm presuming that the onboard audio/visual next stop announcements will not be enabled on these buses until the route number changes next weekend, unless there is some other reason why they have not been set up yet? If that's the case, in the meantime, would it not be useful to have the scrolling displays reminding passengers of the forthcoming service number changes? (Instead of just scrolling between "Alexander Dennis", "Travel West Midlands" and "Hanover Displays")
While I was walking round to Tesco Yardley this evening, 6827 went past me on the 957, and I could see the downstairs scrolling display was showing next stop info.
Any reason why this new batch have the downstairs scrolling display, rather than showing the next stop info on the screen?
Are there a lack of deckers at BC compared to other garages? Seems like there's B7RLEs on busy corridors all the time.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
Are there a lack of deckers at BC compared to other garages? Seems like there's B7RLEs on busy corridors all the time.
I was at BC yesterday and I saw plenty of deckers ;D
I would have thought if BC were low on deckers, they'd wait on transferring/ withdrawing some of the buses going out.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
Are there a lack of deckers at BC compared to other garages? Seems like there's B7RLEs on busy corridors all the time.
Can you be more specific? B7RLEs are normal allocation on 58 and 59, and the Coventry Road is a 'busy corridor'.
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2016, 07:36:56 PM
Can you be more specific? B7RLEs are normal allocation on 58 and 59, and the Coventry Road is a 'busy corridor'.
And the normal allocation for the X64 & 98, other busy services.
The reason they turn up elsewhere is they are generally really reliable buses, so the spares for the allocated routes are available for use elsewhere
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2016, 07:39:45 PM
And the normal allocation for the X64 & 98, other busy services.
The reason they turn up elsewhere is they are generally really reliable buses, so the spares for the allocated routes are available for use elsewhere
It's a shame they didn't get more of them! I wonder if there's any hope for the B8RLE at NXWM. Presumably not as I imagine the downsizing (E200 MMCs) compared to full heavy weight single deckers is down to cost.
4884 has finally lost its Ronnie Morgan names.
On a separate note, 4878 on the 29 has been reported in the noteworthy workings thread. There are typically several E400s on the 29 every day.
6839 on 900 in Coventry.
6832 returns to streets of Coventry seen returning dead to Birmingham. Both unbranded.
Quote from: JoNi on November 30, 2016, 07:43:29 PM
6839 on 900 in Coventry.
6832 returns to streets of Coventry seen returning dead to Birmingham. Both unbranded.
Will I guess until Sunday when the 900& 957 change to X1 & X3 and then they all will be branded with the new route numbers
@JoNi
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 30, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Will I guess until Sunday when the 900& 957 change to X1 & X3 and then they all will be branded with the new route numbers @JoNi
X1 and X2.
Quote from: 2206 on November 30, 2016, 07:52:00 PM
X1 and X2.
I thought the X2 was the 902, just looked on the NX site ans saw my error cheers
@2206
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 30, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Will I guess until Sunday when the 900& 957 change to X1 & X3 and then they all will be branded with the new route numbers @JoNi
Some to be x61 branded too
6831, 6834 and 6837 are now out in service
6831 & 6834 are out on the 957
6837 operated the 60 AM Peak Board
6702 and 6839 are also out on the 60
BC14 has the Crimson Factor today newly painted 4441 & 4634 seen turning into Masshouse Lane & by Saltley Viaduct respectively 9:40 & 12:30 as well
Very shiny 4608 on 61/63 today. Think its its first day out in crimson
Will the 14 be rebranded once its buses come back repainted ? I'm guessing so as other routes have retained their branded status and several routes have become branded.
Just a thought. I wonder if BC will brand some of the lower number Platinums for the X61 so the Ronnie Morgan bus 4832 will at least operate closer to Ronnie's part of the city, rather than it being branded for a Coventry Road service.
Quote from: Mike K on December 01, 2016, 07:10:37 PM
Just a thought. I wonder if BC will brand some of the lower number Platinums for the X61 so the Ronnie Morgan bus 6832 will at least operate closer to Ronnie's part of the city, rather than it being branded for a Coventry Road service.
That makes sense to me too. I guess the brandings will be applied once they're all delivered and in service. I just hope there's enough get delivered before Sunday, will there be enough for all three services by then?
Quote from: Stu on December 01, 2016, 07:35:03 PM
That makes sense to me too. I guess the brandings will be applied once they're all delivered and in service. I just hope there's enough get delivered before Sunday, will there be enough for all three services by then?
BC have 25 up to 6839, so there shouldn't be far away. They will only 5 more when all 30 have arrived.
AG's Platinums have yet to transfer out so could that help with numbers before all the 66 plate buses arrive and before 4th Dec
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 01, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
AG's Platinums have yet to transfer out so could that help with numbers before all the 66 plate buses arrive and before 4th Dec
That is where the 25 comes from ie 6701-10 (10) & 6825-39 (15). There is no publicy about the 966 going Platinum at this stage
Apparently 6 more Platinums due to arrive tomorrow or Saturday.
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 01, 2016, 11:35:00 PM
Apparently 6 more Platinums due to arrive tomorrow or Saturday.
Any idea how many the new X61 will need? The 900/957 originally had 18 including spares, surely the X61 won't need 12.
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2016, 11:50:22 PM
Any idea how many the new X61 will need? The 900/957 originally had 18 including spares, surely the X61 won't need 12.
Highest numbered weekday running board is X61/09. So 12 sounds too much. I wonder if the new 24h 900 has anything to do with the extra buses?
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 02, 2016, 12:00:50 AM
Highest numbered weekday running board is X61/09. So 12 sounds too much. I wonder if the new 24h 900 has anything to do with the extra buses?
9 boards + 1 extra spare (circa 11% spares) accounts for 10 of the 12 extra. Possibly is the 900 then.
900 shorts being extended to Business Park M-F daytime so probably accounts for at least one extra
What time does the first X1 run on Sunday as 00:05 journey from Brum is shown as last departure on Saturday timetable.
I presume buses don't go out as 900s and come back as X1s!
Timetable shows Sunday service to Solihull is reduced to every 30 minutes with four buses an hour to Airport, giving 10 minute service from Yardley in daytime.
The first journey in both directions on service X1, at the start of Sunday timetable, is 01:05 B'ham to BHX and 01:34 BHX to B'ham.
In theory it may utilise the bus used on the inbound 900E arriving B'ham at 01:04.
The 01:05 outbound X1 should meet/pass the last inbound 900 (00:20 from Cov) on Small Heath Highway at approx 01:15 :D
6835 branded for x61.
Showing x61 and 63 on front upstairs window...
6825/6827/6828/6836/6837 are on the X61 today. 6836/6837 are X61 branded. I will post a link later on
6840 now X61 branded.
6841 & 6842 now in service
6841 is on the X2
6842 is on the X1
Quote from: Rob2832 on December 06, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
6841 & 6842 now in service
6841 is on the X2
6842 is on the X1
6841 was on the X61 yesterday.
3 enviros on X61.
And a platinum on 63!
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 06, 2016, 06:27:03 PM
3 enviros on X61.
And a platinum on 63!
Yeah I've seen more E400s than Platinums on the X61
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 07, 2016, 06:37:57 AM
Yeah I've seen more E400s than Platinums on the X61
Deliveries haven't finished yet! Give them chance to put all of them in service!
does the X61 stop at Carrs lane with the 63 or has its timing point now changed to a different stop?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on December 07, 2016, 12:50:53 PM
does the X61 stop at Carrs lane with the 63 or has its timing point now changed to a different stop?
No, stops at Moor St (where the 16, x64, 98, 99 stops) to unload, then to Millenium Point and then loops back by hotel la tour.
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 07, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
No, stops at Moor St (where the 16, x64, 98, 99 stops) to unload, then to Millenium Point and then loops back by hotel la tour.
Will the 63 stop be moved too?
6842 is on X2 today
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 07, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
No, stops at Moor St (where the 16, x64, 98, 99 stops) to unload, then to Millenium Point and then loops back by hotel la tour.
ah right ok. I was wondering as it never seems to stop at carrs lane with the 63 but thanks for letting me know where it stops at. I'm hoping to catch one if I can today.
4624 has gained an overall ad for Paco Raban featuring 2 reindeers pulling a Christmas cracker.
6832 in X2 route branding is on the X2 today
Currently on it to Solihull
6846 and two more have now arrived.
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 08, 2016, 11:25:49 PM
4624 has gained an overall ad for Paco Raban featuring 2 reindeers pulling a Christmas cracker.
4625 getting the same advert wrap. Complete with LED lights I hear!
6845 is on X1
Currently on it towards Birmingham.
6846 now in service, up to 6851 delivered, just 3 more to arrive
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2016, 09:08:40 AM
4530 currently running dead back to BC after doing a trip on the 45/47 this morning
Is it coming out for afternoon peak
@Tony and how long have BC got it for ?? Thanks
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 14, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
Is it coming out for afternoon peak @Tony and how long have BC got it for ?? Thanks
Left Carrs Lane on the 45 about 1655.
Quote from: WMT3000 on December 14, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
Left Carrs Lane on the 45 about 1655.
Many thanks
@WMT3000 Hoping it will come back from Longbridge on the 1803 departure
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 14, 2016, 05:22:07 PM
Many thanks @WMT3000 Hoping it will come back from Longbridge on the 1803 departure
Sadly it won't do 18:03 departure. Asked inspector and said it would be going back to garage when it terminates down there. Oh well. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 14, 2016, 06:21:52 PM
Sadly it won't do 18:03 departure. Asked inspector and said it would be going back to garage when it terminates down there. Oh well. :)
Yes i found that out after chasing it around. Got a pic but not the best. Hopefully it will stay for a few more days :)
6847 and 6849 are X1 branded.
900 branding has been taken off outside but not inside of 6707!
So? X1 is now what the 900 was exact same route It hasn't left to AG yet where it will probably get a 966/X66 version. Plus the 9 branded still say 141/241 on the interior branding...
6833 now branded for the X2
6842 now branded for the X1
2 E400 MMC are on the 60 today.
6706 is one, I think.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2016, 05:17:44 PM
2 E400 MMC are on the 60 today.
6706 is one, I think.
6708 & 6710 are/were the platinum's on the 60 today bud :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on December 15, 2016, 06:41:13 PM
6708 & 6710 are/were the platinum's on the 60 today bud :)
Thanks for the info.
6851 in service on the X61
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 16, 2016, 06:14:15 PM
6851 in service on the X61
Only 600 miles on the clock. Bus was set up really good. Not as sluggish as others. Managed to out drag a 49XX off the lights while running back dead! 💀
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/324s9s
6846 on X1 being passed by 6710 on 60 stating "on diversion enquire with driver".
6846 also returns to the streets of Coventry!
I thought buses in East Brum were looking tatty but that was some advert I saw on the 14 with the neon flashing pacco Rabane logo. Sorry if already been mentioned. Nearly made me swerve in the car lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 18, 2016, 05:09:59 PM
I thought buses in East Brum were looking tatty but that was some advert I saw on the 14 with the neon flashing pacco Rabane logo. Sorry if already been mentioned. Nearly made me swerve in the car lol.
A few small LED's are not quite Neon! 😝 I was only thinking earlier how nice and subtle the advert looked. Just a shame that all wrap around vinyls make buses look extremely cheap and tatty. But they must work and be cost effective for advertisers that so many of them get produced.
Considering the fact that you can go from Great Charles St to Broad St now, is it fair to say that the 22/23/24/29 will not be returning to Colemore Row? I get the feeling that this diversion will become a permanent part of the route. Especially as it serves Moor Street & New Street now.
Quote from: Gareth on December 18, 2016, 06:28:35 PM
A few small LED's are not quite Neon! 😝 I was only thinking earlier how nice and subtle the advert looked. Just a shame that all wrap around vinyls make buses look extremely cheap and tatty. But they must work and be cost effective for advertisers that so many of them get produced.
I was taking the mick, it did look $}it lol
Noticed 6854 and 2 other at the service station near Stafford m6 around an hour ago
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 18, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
Noticed 6854 and 2 other at the service station near Stafford m6 around an hour ago
They'll be 6852 and 6853 as they're the last 3 to be delivered :)
6852 and 6853 parked up inside the garage. Didnt notice 6854 but presume it is in the garage somewhere.
A timetable related gripe. Is there any logical reason as to why, during the day, the 22 and 23 are scheduled to run every 5 and 10 minutes (or 6 and 9 minutes from the Wood Lane terminus) rather than spacing them evenly at every 7/8 minutes?
It's annoying. I don't use the bus all that often these days but when I do, the one that runs 10 mins after the other picks up heavier loads, is often running a few minutes late, and the next one is running right behind. It effectively creates a two every 15 minutes frequency. The service ran better on the previous timetable.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 20, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
5511 - 29E
Are B5s on the 29 really noteworthy ?
The branding is applicable and on the allocations spreadsheet they're list as commonly used as well.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 20, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Are B5s on the 29 really noteworthy ?
The branding is applicable and on the allocations spreadsheet they're list as commonly used as well.
No they are not as has been pointed out several times
Quote from: Mike K on December 20, 2016, 02:37:24 PM
A timetable related gripe. Is there any logical reason as to why, during the day, the 22 and 23 are scheduled to run every 5 and 10 minutes (or 6 and 9 minutes from the Wood Lane terminus) rather than spacing them evenly at every 7/8 minutes?
It's annoying. I don't use the bus all that often these days but when I do, the one that runs 10 mins after the other picks up heavier loads, is often running a few minutes late, and the next one is running right behind. It effectively creates a two every 15 minutes frequency. The service ran better on the previous timetable.
It appears that the 22, 23 and 29 are timed to operate every 5 minutes between the City Centre and Harborne.
Quote from: Roy on December 20, 2016, 06:25:53 PM
It appears that the 22, 23 and 29 are timed to operate every 5 minutes between the City Centre and Harborne.
Correct. You wouldn't timetable an even gap at the outer terminus for a few stops to mean buses were timetabled to run together on a common section for a few miles
Well that's fair enough and explains it. But with the 22/23 (every 5 to 10 mins), 24 (every 10 mins) and 29 (every 15 mins) I'm not sure with such a high frequency of up to 18 buses an hour that they need to space the 22/3/9 that evenly. The 22/3 share a large section of common route and the 29 takes a very different route between Harborne and Barnes Hill leaving gaps in frequency on the 22/23. Previously the Harborne routes only had an overall matched frequency on evenings and Sundays.
Having said that I appreaciate I'm one of the people that lives on the section of the routes (War Lane / Northfield Road) where the frequency is irregular.
6854 in service today
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2016, 11:18:49 AM
6854 in service today
what times will this be in city
4442 is now 'Unlimited Travel from £2 a day' branded
I know it's early in the morning but I could've sworn I just saw a 45/47 branded bus with Led lights saying "La La Land" on the side!
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 23, 2016, 07:04:00 AM
I know it's early in the morning but I could've sworn I just saw a 45/47 branded bus with Led lights saying "La La Land" on the side!
Easily mistaken for Longbridge after a heavy night!!
Quote from: don on December 23, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Easily mistaken for Longbridge after a heavy night!!
Haha no, sorry, it was on the side of the bus, where the advertising is.
6705 still parked up inside BC
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 24, 2016, 04:30:47 PM
6705 still parked up inside BC
Only came back from Carlyle from bodywork repairs yesterday, will go to AG when it has had an inspection
Quote from: John on December 22, 2016, 07:30:00 PM
4442 is now 'Unlimited Travel from £2 a day' branded
4446 is now 'Family Daysaver' branded.
4445 is also branded but can't remember what for! Couldn't read the name when I was following it at the Heartlands earlier
6852 is out on X2
6854 is out on X1 (on its way to coventry)
Saw it passing brays road 08:20 whilst on 6827 to Birmingham
4179 was on the 29 today. Not sure what state its in now, but the front display seems to have been (or quite possibly sill is) stuck on the 29's Birmingham-bound display, whilst on its way outbound. Upon approach to the bus stop, the side display was correctly displaying "29 Holly Hill"
Boarded at Smallbrook Queensway, around 2pm
6705 still working at BC so it seems. Currently sat on it on the X1.
Quote from: clayderman on January 02, 2017, 03:43:39 PM
6705 still working at BC so it seems. Currently sat on it on the X1.
6705 is still at BC. On the X61 today.
Is there any reason the X64 has changed it's display? It now says "Limited stop via QE Hospital, Selly Oak, Weoley Castle & Bartley Green". It never said Selly Oak before and it no longer days Bournebrook or Kitwell. Even the city centre display shows Selly Oak now too. Is the route changing?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 03, 2017, 06:47:18 PM
Is there any reason the X64 has changed it's display? It now says "Limited stop via QE Hospital, Selly Oak, Weoley Castle & Bartley Green". It never said Selly Oak before and it no longer days Bournebrook or Kitwell. Even the city centre display shows Selly Oak now too. Is the route changing?
The route changed a while back and no longer serves Kitwell but it does serve Bartley Green (Romsley Road) so that might explain it.
Quote from: Mike K on January 03, 2017, 06:51:51 PM
The route changed a while back and no longer serves Kitwell but it does serve Bartley Green (Romsley Road) so that might explain it.
Yeah I thought it did, but it still kept Kitwell on the display so I wasn't sure if it was definite. Doesn't explain why it says Selly Oak instead of Bournebrook though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 03, 2017, 06:53:27 PM
Yeah I thought it did, but it still kept Kitwell on the display so I wasn't sure if it was definite. Doesn't explain why it says Selly Oak instead of Bournebrook though.
It serves both, although less of Selly Oak than it used to, so either is technically correct. I guess Selly Oak is arguably the better known area. BC do like to tinker with their destination displays from time to time.
Quote from: Mike K on January 03, 2017, 07:19:31 PM
It serves both, although less of Selly Oak than it used to, so either is technically correct. I guess Selly Oak is arguably the better known area. BC do like to tinker with their destination displays from time to time.
Yeah I know it does I just wondered why the change really. Though another thread on here suggests there will be a change next month.
What change is this?
Is it possible to change the 29E display to show 'via Harborne'? Just heard yet another person ask whether it goes to Harborne and I can't help but feel this simple change would help a lot. I'm willing to bet there are some people who have let this bus go because they assumed it doesn't go to Harborne.
Any all day E workings should have some sort of via information in my opinion. Either that or have the Frankley runs as a 29A instead?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 06, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
Is it possible to change the 29E display to show 'via Harborne'? Just heard yet another person ask whether it goes to Harborne and I can't help but feel this simple change would help a lot. I'm willing to bet there are some people who have let this bus go because they assumed it doesn't go to Harborne.
Any all day E workings should have some sort of via information in my opinion. Either that or have the Frankley runs as a 29A instead?
I have to agree that where these 'short journeys' are the norm and not the exception these destination displays that show limited information aren't helpful.
My other gripe with the 29E is since when has Northfield been a town?
Quote from: Mike K on January 06, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
I have to agree that where these 'short journeys' are the norm and not the exception these destination displays that show limited information aren't helpful.
My other gripe with the 29E is since when has Northfield been a town?
There's two sides to this argument. The 11Es used to show more information on the display and it was ditched for a larger end destination, because the amount of people who used to get on and not realise that it's not going the full way/not understanding that it's a short journey.
Quote from: MW on January 06, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
There's two sides to this argument. The 11Es used to show more information on the display and it was ditched for a larger end destination, because the amount of people who used to get on and not realise that it's not going the full way/not understanding that it's a short journey.
You would think they'd know the "E" suffix implies it doesn't run the full journey.
Although having said that, I do see the need to show the journey doesn't go to the full end as when the bus arrives to the E destination, people do seem to get agitated with the driver.
Quote from: MW on January 06, 2017, 06:23:44 PM
There's two sides to this argument. The 11Es used to show more information on the display and it was ditched for a larger end destination, because the amount of people who used to get on and not realise that it's not going the full way/not understanding that it's a short journey.
Don't get me wrong MW, I fully agree that's is sensible on the 11 where there are shorts to a few different places, and these are the exceptions to most journeys which go round the full circle. But on the 29 every second journey finishes at Northfield, they're as common as the Frankley journeys during the day. I'd also be surprised if there's much demand for through travel from Harborne, Weoley etc to Allen's Cross and Frankley.
The 11Es aren't a regular all day thing like the 29Es though.
The other alternative is to scrap the whole Frankley aspect but if not then adding via Harborne is useful. You can even remove 'Town Centre' that way too.
I was only thinking this yesterday about the 29E...these are now.the norm and not the exception. I don't understand why it can't be (like someone else has suggested) 29 Birmingham- Northfield ando then a 29A (Birmingham - Holly Hill).....
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on January 06, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
I was only thinking this yesterday about the 29E...these are now.the norm and not the exception. I don't understand why it can't be (like someone else has suggested) 29 Birmingham- Northfield ando then a 29A (Birmingham - Holly Hill).....
The E variant as it stands is good. It's like the YW49 with full journeys going to Northfield and the shorter 1s being curtailed at Longbridge. Adding the "A" implies it'd be like the BY55/A were they share the majority of the route but they go their separate ways somewhere along the route.
Also, why when on Tridents does it say "Frankley Holly Hill"? Why does it need to say Holly Hill? To be honest it should say Frankley via Harborne. Or do what others do and flash between the via points.
Quote from: Mike K on January 06, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
My other gripe with the 29E is since when has Northfield been a town?
Tbf the road signs off the Bristol Road do state "welcome to Northfield Town Centre"
Right or wrong it is labeled such
4171 seems to have it's display stuck on Frankley Holly Hill whilst on route to the City Centre lol
Following on from
@BU07 LGO posting about Platinum ad frames, 6852 also has one
Quote from: John on January 07, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
Following on from @BU07 LGO posting about Platinum ad frames, 6852 also has one
6850-54 have offside advert frames fitted.
Quote from: Nathan on January 07, 2017, 07:00:13 PM
6850-54 have offside advert frames fitted.
Just seen a picture of 6850. The ad frame has been fitted too low so it covers some of the red flash on the offside. Unlike the crimson MMCs.
I don't mind the adverts on the Platinum buses, it breaks up the dull livery. I wonder if all of the generic branded MMCs will gain advert frames, or just those few not branded yet?
Just curious how are the revised Bristol Rd workings, are all these thoughts are overcrowding etc materialising do we still have to wait for this week to be over to able to gauge a view on it?
Quote from: clayderman on January 10, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
Also, 4618 on the 97; not rare is any way, but quite noteworthy as a eed/white trident
Not noteworthy. Seen red and white Tridents on there many times since it went Crimson.
They regularly are on the 97.
Quote from: 2206 on January 10, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
Not noteworthy. Seen red and white Tridents on there many times since it went Crimson.
Yep 41** Tridents are still used on the 97/A almost everyday I believe
@clayderman @2206
Quote from: 2206 on January 10, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
Not noteworthy. Seen red and white Tridents on there many times since it went Crimson.
🤷🏻♂️
3304 and 2204 sitting in BC
B7rle-99- probably explains 99 branded off route
Quote from: AndrewLee on January 12, 2017, 07:00:35 AM
3304 and 2204 sitting in BC
are they there for mot or steam clean or are BC to get some streetdecks & so mmc singles
3304 at pensnett dead not very well
4607 now has a front LED display
Quote from: 2206 on January 19, 2017, 05:41:32 PM
BC 24 - 808
It's usual to see E200 during peak hours.
A crimson Central Enviro400 (think it was 4872) has a light up LED advert for the movie 'Sing'
Quote from: John on January 20, 2017, 10:10:34 PM
A crimson Central Enviro400 (think it was 4872) has a light up LED advert for the movie 'Sing'
Should be 4871 if they've done the one I nominated
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2017, 10:12:04 PM
Should be 4871 if they've done the one I nominated
Whichever it is was on the 22/23 this evening. Very eye-catching.
Quote from: Mike K on January 20, 2017, 10:48:24 PM
Whichever it is was on the 22/23 this evening. Very eye-catching.
I'll say! It almost blinded me at 7 in the morning!
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 21, 2017, 06:19:04 AM
I'll say! It almost blinded me at 7 in the morning!
It was in BC garage at 7 this morning
Yesterday morning I meant, sorry.
Spotted a 54 plate Gemini on the 97 Thursday night around 2215
Quote from: Buz89 on January 21, 2017, 12:21:00 PM
Spotted a 54 plate Gemini on the 97 Thursday night around 2215
4658? It is on loan to BC.
4628 now has a front LED display
Quote from: Jack B on January 21, 2017, 12:21:57 PM
4658? It is on loan to BC.
photo on photo link of it
4875 tonight has been towed into Carlyle Bus Works,Great Bridge with front end damage.
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
6146 X1E earlier as an extra when the trains weren't running between New Street and International
I was wondering why I saw a Crimson E400MMC turning off Fazeley Street onto Park Street earlier.
Is the 23A scrapped now? I don't see it in the mornings anymore.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 27, 2017, 07:16:49 AM
Is the 23A scrapped now? I don't see it in the mornings anymore.
All you have to do to answer your question is search on the NX Bus website:
http://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=23&show%5Broutes%5D=1&utm_source=nav
Quote from: John on January 27, 2017, 12:43:13 PM
5508, according to a Facebook post
@John it's not as it's just passed me in Birmingham on a 22.
Considering the B5s rarely ever venture off the Harbourne corridor, quite noteworthy.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 27, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
Considering the B5s rarely ever venture off the Harbourne corridor, quite noteworthy.
Yeah, I certainly thought so. Kind of odd though, when you see regular e400s on the 23, 24 etc around the same time.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 27, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
Considering the B5s rarely ever venture off the Harbourne corridor, quite noteworthy.
I'm quite sure I seen one on the 63 today. Seen on Bristol Road near the fire station in Selly Oak at about 1630
Quote from: MW on January 28, 2017, 02:59:54 AM
I'm quite sure I seen one on the 63 today. Seen on Bristol Road near the fire station in Selly Oak at about 1630
I hope this doesn't become a regular thing now.
Some of the 44XX Tridents at BC seem to have ad blue tanks fitted although it is not easy to spot on the newly painted ones.
Every Crimson Double decker is getting them
Where does the 99 go that's so dirty?! I've seen a few of those buses that are absolutely filthy!
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 03, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
Where does the 99 go that's so dirty?! I've seen a few of those buses that are absolutely filthy!
Yam Yam land
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 03, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
Where does the 99 go that's so dirty?! I've seen a few of those buses that are absolutely filthy!
Welsh House Farm. I used to go out with someone from there and she was very dirty.
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
Welsh House Farm. I used to go out with someone from there and she was very dirty.
@Mike K PMSL ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
Welsh House Farm. I used to go out with someone from there and she was very dirty.
Yeah but how dirty is the farm though ?
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
Welsh House Farm. I used to go out with someone from there and she was very dirty.
Haha!! Oh God...
How are the Bristol Rd changes, is there the overcrowding on the 63 people we're predicting ? Has the x61 been well received ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 03, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
How are the Bristol Rd changes, is there the overcrowding on the 63 people we're predicting ? Has the x61 been well received ?
I haven't seen any overcrowding on the 63 personally.
I do have a question though. How come the 63 hasn't been route branded at all? Surely it's a key route, no? I'm sure some e400s can be branded with the same colour of blue on the X61
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 03, 2017, 07:21:38 PM
How are the Bristol Rd changes, is there the overcrowding on the 63 people we're predicting ? Has the x61 been well received ?
I've noticed that people tend to take whatever comes first anyway and this sometimes ends up with the X61 being mostly empty. I've been on one with myself as the only passenger on the bus from the city centre to the university. I took the X61 beyond the university a few times, and even with bypassing Selly Oak, it's still not useful, probably the reason why passengers don't tend to wait for the X61. I didn't see any overcrowding on the 63.
The only reason I skip the 63 is better heating on platinum buses.
I think what X61 really needs is less bus stops between the city centre and Selly Oak.
Bypassing Selly Oak may be part of the problem. I've done the journey from town to Selly Oak before and to be honest having to get off before it turns right onto the new road and walking isn't an attractive prospect. I'd imagine plenty of people feel the same. That right turn is pointless. Just have it go through Selly Oak but less stops than the 63
I was thinking this last night - coming back on the 63.
What on earth is attractive about coming through Selly oak during rush hour on a bus? It's horrendous. It's only getting worse. I don't know the cause but I can clearly see why people opt for the train!
The route the x61 takes is pointless. At the movement the traffic isn't too bad while the he island isn't fully functional, but when it is, I fear you would easily get to Northfield quicker on the 63 than you would the x61.
I love the fact the x61 was upgraded, but there are some tweaks which I think would make this service a lot more appealing.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 04, 2017, 07:21:47 AM
Bypassing Selly Oak may be part of the problem. I've done the journey from town to Selly Oak before and to be honest having to get off before it turns right onto the new road and walking isn't an attractive prospect. I'd imagine plenty of people feel the same. That right turn is pointless. Just have it go through Selly Oak but less stops than the 63
Simple response to that is don't catch it then
It's not meant as a bus to that part of Selly Oak, it's meant as an express bus avoiding that part, you've got the 63
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on February 04, 2017, 08:21:34 AM
I was thinking this last night - coming back on the 63.
What on earth is attractive about coming through Selly oak during rush hour on a bus? It's horrendous. It's only getting worse. I don't know the cause but I can clearly see why people opt for the train!
The trouble is, at Edgbaston Park Rd by the fire station, there's a set of traffic lights, a few more yards at Bournbrook Rd there's another setof traffic lights, a few more yards at the bypass junction, you've guessed it - another set of traffic lights.
Too many traffic lights in a short area. Plus as you drive through Selly Oak paricually opposit 'The Goose' there's parked cars which reduce it from 2 lanes to 1.
Birmingham City council need to look at this area.
Also Priory Rd junction could have have a left hand filter lane coming from City, there's plenty of space....
Is 6826 alive and well- not seen it for ages.
Quote from: 37351ml on February 06, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Is 6826 alive and well- not seen it for ages.
It will be back very soon
808 on the 24 - if of any interest...
The current 97 is funded by Resorts world and not the airport I didn't realise. Random fact for the day.
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/media/3393/birmingham-airport-travel-plan-monitoring-report-final-2016.pdf
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 12, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
The current 97 is funded by Resorts world and not the airport I didn't realise. Random fact for the day.
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/media/3393/birmingham-airport-travel-plan-monitoring-report-final-2016.pdf
Also states that the 966 will take over and connect new locations to the airport I.e Solihull and will go 24hrs I wonder if the 97 to chelmsley wood will continue 24hrs
It's in the past tense think all that is happening in Spring now
Posting here because it regards the Harborne routes
Stop SH6, on Livery Street, has not been showing on the bus times apps (NXWM, Network, heck, even Bus Checker) - even when it was served by the 82/87... Anyway, today I noticed that a Temporary Bus Stop sign has been put up so is it possible the Harborne routes may be rerouted in City Centre again? That'll be a shame - I quite like the route as it is now..
Quote from: clayderman on February 14, 2017, 07:28:06 AM
Posting here because it regards the Harborne routes
Stop SH6, on Livery Street, has not been showing on the bus times apps (NXWM, Network, heck, even Bus Checker) - even when it was served by the 82/87... Anyway, today I noticed that a Temporary Bus Stop sign has been put up so is it possible the Harborne routes may be rerouted in City Centre again? That'll be a shame - I quite like the route as it is now..
To be honest, I thought they might make the diversion a permanent part of the route. It's catch 22 though really (no pun intended), as on one hand it takes a bit longer to get out of town but on the other hand they're more accessible from other parts of the city centre, e.g. New Street.
EDIT: Just seen that Temporary stop sign, it does look ominous lol. As for the times though I've not been able to see any on my app for ages.
Quote from: clayderman on February 14, 2017, 07:28:06 AM
Posting here because it regards the Harborne routes
Stop SH6, on Livery Street, has not been showing on the bus times apps (NXWM, Network, heck, even Bus Checker) - even when it was served by the 82/87... Anyway, today I noticed that a Temporary Bus Stop sign has been put up so is it possible the Harborne routes may be rerouted in City Centre again? That'll be a shame - I quite like the route as it is now..
I believe it was knocked down by the car. Saw the bus stop stand on the floor with car bumper few days ago
Quote from: 37351ml on February 06, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Is 6826 alive and well- not seen it for ages.
On the X2 this morning if your still looking for it.
Theirs a X1 branded Platinum at YW. I'm assuming for some type of repair.
Quote from: Sayeed on February 15, 2017, 08:37:46 AM
I believe it was knocked down by the car actually. Saw the bus stop stand on the floor with car bumper few days ago
I see. Thanks :) I shall assume there's no plan of route change as of yet then. ;)
One of the buses at BC has a different engine sound louder was on a 14
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 19, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
What times did you see these @JoNi @Michael Bevan :)
4873 was 0915ish ex Coventry
4938 was 0945ish ex Coventry
Is there a private hire or Special Rail today?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/jB2K3x
Quote from: JoNi on February 19, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
4873 was 0915ish ex Coventry
4938 was 0945ish ex Coventry
Is there a private hire or Special Rail today?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/jB2K3x
Thank You
@JoNi :D I'll try and catch them on their next journey's from Birmingham :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 19, 2017, 09:51:19 AM
What times did you see these @JoNi @Michael Bevan :)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 19, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
And what times were these 2 please @Michael Bevan
4943 and 4946 have both just left Birmingham. I saw 4941 about half an hour ago in Birmingham. Hope that helps.
Quote from: JoNi on February 19, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
4873 was 0915ish ex Coventry
4938 was 0945ish ex Coventry
Is there a private hire or Special Rail today?
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/jB2K3x
There's 8 non-Platinum on there today
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 19, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
4943 and 4946 have both just left Birmingham. I saw 4941 about half an hour ago in Birmingham. Hope that helps.
Ok thanks
@Michael Bevan ,may look for them in a bit
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 19, 2017, 10:17:28 AM
4943 and 4946 have both just left Birmingham. I saw 4941 about half an hour ago in Birmingham. Hope that helps.
Thank You :D
Are the platinums being fitted with this VUER thing, hence them not operating today?
4876 and 4937 also on X1
4877 also on X2
4872 seen on X61
Does anybody know if BC will be getting anymore Hybrid buses?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 23, 2017, 01:41:36 PM
Does anybody know if BC will be getting anymore Hybrid buses?
Those in charge of ordering the new buses will know that answer, and they certainly won't post anything in a public forum before a delivery is due. It's safe to say you don't normally have to ask questions like that here, those who know and are able to say will let others know in due course.
Quote from: Gareth on February 23, 2017, 03:23:37 PM
Those in charge of ordering the new buses will know that answer, and they certainly won't post anything in a public forum before a delivery is due. It's safe to say you don't normally have to ask questions like that here, those who know and are able to say will let others know in due course.
Or wind other members of the forum with the information.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 23, 2017, 03:27:06 PM
Or wind other members of the forum with the information.
If you have flickr just follow Alastair for Heysham Dock arrivals and Gordon Scott for ADL departures then wait for an nx bus to crop up
4470 is at Graysons (I think) on Elmdon Trading Estate near Birmingham Airport.
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
4470 is at Graysons (I think) on Elmdon Trading Estate near Birmingham Airport.
The go there to have new fans fitted as part of the upgrade for SQPS
Quote from: Jack B on February 24, 2017, 04:42:40 PM
4879 - BC59
Not unusual some peak journeys go onto the 60, I think. So E400 are used on the 59.
It's also an allocation on the spreadsheet. The Monday to Friday 16:38 and another journey from the City Centre are regularly a E400.
Quote from: 2206 on February 24, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Not unusual some peak journeys go onto the 60, I think. So E400 are used on the 59.
It's also an allocation on the spreadsheet. The Monday to Friday 16:38 and another journey from the City Centre are regularly a E400.
This was around 13:00.
Quote from: Jack B on February 24, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
This was around 13:00.
No it wasn't!
It was in Birmingham Central garage until 15:22 when it ran dead to Yardley and did the 16:32 59 into City and then the usual journey for a Double deck to Kingshurst, and is now on the late night 60s
Anyone know what the freshly painted e400 on harborne corridor. Must say it looked amazing with no adverts.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 06, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
Anyone know what the freshly painted e400 on harborne corridor. Must say it looked amazing with no adverts.
There is no freshly painted E400 on Harbornes
I can only presume you saw 4872 which was painted exactly a year ago
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2017, 05:34:50 PM
There is no freshly painted E400 on Harbornes
I can only presume you saw 4872 which was painted exactly a year ago
Well that's pretty dam good going then. Good job. It was looking very shiny either way.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 06, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
Anyone know what the freshly painted e400 on harborne corridor. Must say it looked amazing with no adverts.
I would presume that it would be 4875 as that was in the paintshop recently.
Or perhaps not...
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 06, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
I would presume that it would be 4875 as that was in the paintshop recently.
No
So it's been at least 2 plus months now how are the new Bristol Rd services working now. Are the 63s overcrowded as predicted. I've seen a few comments on social media about the x61 being unrealiable, anyone use them, drive them or have any views. Just curious.
Does anybody know why the 29S serves Somerford Road, as opposed to Gregory Avenue like the 29?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 10, 2017, 08:03:26 PM
Does anybody know why the 29S serves Somerford Road, as opposed to Gregory Avenue like the 29?
As it's for school kids and only starts at Shenley Academy, would there be much demand for travel just 2 or 3 stops up Gregory Avenue? I'd imagine most would be travelling beyond Worley Castle Square.
Will the 14 be rebranded as some of its buses are in for/ have been repainted ?
Quote from: Mike K on March 10, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
As it's for school kids and only starts at Shenley Academy, would there be much demand for travel just 2 or 3 stops up Gregory Avenue? I'd imagine most would be travelling beyond Worley Castle Square.
But the website says it serves a similar amount of stops along Somerford Road. The only reason I can think of is It goes closer to Princethorpe School that way.
NX took, 4634 and a harborne branded hybrid to the ST Patricks day parade on Sunday.
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1454668297911533/?type=3&theater
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2017, 06:58:52 PM
NX took, 4634 and a harborne branded hybrid to the ST Patricks day parade on Sunday.
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1454668297911533/?type=3&theater
and 3225
Quote from: Tony on March 20, 2017, 11:05:29 AM
5515 - 97
@Tony do you have any idea what time it'll be in Chelmsley Wood, Pine Square in the next two hours?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 20, 2017, 11:38:14 AM
@Tony do you have any idea what time it'll be in Chelmsley Wood, Pine Square in the next two hours?
It's doing the 12:02 from City, currently sat on Moor Street
Quote from: Tony on March 20, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
It's doing the 12:02 from City, currently sat on Moor Street
Didn't manage to find it I'm afraid. Thanks for your help anyway Tony.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 20, 2017, 02:33:26 PM
Didn't manage to find it I'm afraid. Thanks for your help anyway Tony.
It got changed for 4468 on the way out of city on that 12:02 journey, presumably relief driver not type trained on it!
When the 99 is withdrawn next month will BC get another route?
Will WB operate the 120A and PN get the 121 and extended 244?
Will all of 801 - 809 transfer to PN?
Quote from: 2206 on March 20, 2017, 06:16:33 PM
Will WB operate the 120A and PN get the 121 and extended 244?
Yes,the 120A will be WB and the 120 will be PN.
Was there a b7rle on 99 today, as have heard it cut quite a few bits out of route?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 23, 2017, 08:50:04 PM
Was there a b7rle on 99 today, as have heard it cut quite a few bits out of route?
There was a B7RLE on there today, possibly 2127 or 2128 - can't quite remember, but it's the second day running that there's been one on there.
Presumably E200s off the road again? They'll be keeping PN's engineers busy soon.
I think one regularly does a peak working of the 99. Which parts of the route does it miss out?
Quote from: sonic84 on March 24, 2017, 10:32:33 AM
I think one regularly does a peak working of the 99. Which parts of the route does it miss out?
They are only ever on the 99 if there isn't an E200 available, no booked workings because they have to miss Wesh House Farm Road out
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2017, 10:34:32 AM
They are only ever on the 99 if there isn't an E200 available, no booked workings because they have to miss Wesh House Farm Road out
Ah right, cheers. Have spotted one a few times this last week which clears that up. Thanks
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2017, 10:34:32 AM
They are only ever on the 99 if there isn't an E200 available, no booked workings because they have to miss Wesh House Farm Road out
Wisely Way/Rilstone Road is missed out.
I was just looking at the timetable for the 99 and I saw that the early Sunday morning shorts between the QE and city terminate at St Martins Queensway. Does this mean it comes out of the tunnel, pulls a U turn then goes straight back into the tunnel or does it go round city and that is just a timetable error?
Quote from: Dom on March 25, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
I was just looking at the timetable for the 99 and I saw that the early Sunday morning shorts between the QE and city terminate at St Martins Queensway. Does this mean it comes out of the tunnel, pulls a U turn then goes straight back into the tunnel or does it go round city and that is just a timetable error?
Probably does a U turn on Moor Street were the 50 and 35 turn around.
Quote from: 2206 on March 25, 2017, 10:36:08 PM
Probably does a U turn on Moor Street were the 50 and 35 turn around.
Yeah thats what I'm thinking, it'd have to display 99E St Martins Queensway wouldn't it?
Quote from: Dom on March 25, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
Yeah thats what I'm thinking, it'd have to display 99E St Martins Queensway wouldn't it?
Yes either 99E City Centre, St Martins Queensway, or City Centre, Smallbrook Queensway.
Quote from: 2206 on March 25, 2017, 10:56:04 PM
Yes either 99E City Centre, St Martins Queensway, or City Centre, Smallbrook Queensway.
On the blinds I think it's 99E New Street Station. Yes, turns round at Moor st but does not make the stop there.
Quote from: Mike K on March 23, 2017, 11:01:14 PM
There was a B7RLE on there today, possibly 2127 or 2128 - can't quite remember, but it's the second day running that there's been one on there.
Presumably E200s off the road again? They'll be keeping PN's engineers busy soon.
Seen one quite a lot this week, ~07:40 on Priory Queensway
the 45 & 47 route need updating because they are always late sometimes and I think something should be done about it at some point. yet they are every 6mins they are still rather late and eventually 2 go missing off the timetable or a few don't bother showing up at all causing problems for the general public.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 28, 2017, 02:46:24 PM
the 45 & 47 route need updating because they are always late sometimes and I think something should be done about it at some point. yet they are every 6mins they are still rather late and eventually 2 go missing off the timetable or a few don't bother showing up at all causing problems for the general public.
Really?
Every single journey on both routes has been operated today so far. Looking at the 47 only 1 bus has been later than 10 late at any point and very few outside the TC's -1+4 rules.
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2017, 03:30:18 PM
Really?
Every single journey on both routes has been operated today so far. Looking at the 47 only 1 bus has been later than 10 late at any point and very few outside the TC's -1+4 rules.
the times I have caught it they always turn up rather late, especially from Dogpool lane after 16:00, it is supposed to arrive at 16:09 but it turns up at 16:15 instead both 45 & 47
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 29, 2017, 09:38:52 AM
the times I have caught it they always turn up rather late, especially from Dogpool lane after 16;00, it is supposed to arrive at 16:09 but it turns up at 16:15 instead bot 45 & 47
Really?
Pershore Road is running a four minute frequency between the two services at that time. a bus does not run 6 minutes late most days. it varies every day. This week it has been less than two minutes late each day.
Are you really moaning about a bus being one minute outside the TC's window of tolerance on a busy main road in the peak period?
4875 is on the 60 today. At Yardley, Swan at 07:55 going to Cranes Park.
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2017, 09:47:42 AM
Really?
Pershore Road is running a four minute frequency between the two services at that time. a bus does not run 6 minutes late most days. it varies every day. This week it has been less than two minutes late each day.
Are you really moaning about a bus being one minute outside the TC's window of tolerance on a busy main road in the peak period?
I'm not moaning I just think there should be some sort of time improvement that's all. I know there is a lot of traffic from DogPool Lane up to Cotteridge but I don't blame that as I know it gets very busy
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 30, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
I'm not moaning I just think there should be some sort of time improvement that's all. I know there is a lot of traffic from DogPool Lane up to Cotteridge but I don't blame that as I know it gets very busy
Put too much time in and on normal days the bus would be parked waiting time at all the timing points which actually annoys more people than a bus a couple of minutes late
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2017, 12:58:04 PM
Put too much time in and on normal days the bus would be parked waiting time at all the timing points which actually annoys more people than a bus a couple of minutes late
As a bus passenger for the past 15 years, I couldn't agree more. At least with a bus a few minutes late, the bus just ploughs on past the timing points.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 28, 2017, 02:46:24 PM
the 45 & 47 route need updating because they are always late sometimes
They are always late sometimes??
2130 could do with a touch up, front offside light panel looks like it's been coloured in with red marker pens
Does anyone know what the bus the operates the 889 07:54 (Yardley Yew Tree - CTC Acadamy, Kingshurst) does after operating that journey?
Saw 4170 displaying 244 by Tesco, Quinton
Quote from: Sayeed on April 04, 2017, 08:13:37 AM
Saw 4170 displaying 244 by Tesco, Quinton
Destination blind malfunction, actually on the 24
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2017, 08:31:09 AM
Destination blind malfunction, actually on the 24
I know, I just thought it's worth to mention it :)
Quote from: Sayeed on April 04, 2017, 08:13:37 AM
Saw 4170 displaying 244 by Tesco, Quinton
A couple of weeks later that could have caused some real confusion
4611 made an illegal u turn on Bordesley Green East in Stechford by the police station at about 16:15 today.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
4611 made an illegal u turn on Bordesley Green East in Stechford by the police station at about 16:15 today.
Why illegal?
Quote from: Tony on April 06, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
Why illegal?
So they can just make a U turn there in the middle of the road, by the bus stop?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4779592,-1.8066402,3a,15y,345.36h,84.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr7BDi12aGXnZE9O3fN60lA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Didn't think it was allowed, never seen anyone else turn there anyway.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
So they can just make a U turn there in the middle of the road, by the bus stop?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4779592,-1.8066402,3a,15y,345.36h,84.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr7BDi12aGXnZE9O3fN60lA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Didn't think it was allowed, never seen anyone else turn there anyway.
Used to do it all the time in Bearwood.
Is there anything preventing deckers being used on the 98 route, like low bridges etc?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 07, 2017, 12:43:40 PM
Is there anything preventing deckers being used on the 98 route, like low bridges etc?
Low hanging trees on Leach Green Lane
Quote from: B.C Driver on April 07, 2017, 12:58:28 PM
Low hanging trees on Leach Green Lane
Low trees in Edgbaston.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
So they can just make a U turn there in the middle of the road, by the bus stop?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4779592,-1.8066402,3a,15y,345.36h,84.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr7BDi12aGXnZE9O3fN60lA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Didn't think it was allowed, never seen anyone else turn there anyway.
There is no sign stating no U turns allowed judging by Google maps therefore it's legal
Quote from: B.C Driver on April 07, 2017, 12:58:28 PM
Low hanging trees on Leach Green Lane
There are also low trees along Wheeleys Road on the 98/99 routes.
Cheers guys :)
Hang on. Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but...
With the introduction of contactless payment (being 'trialled' on the X1/X2) - would that mean (hypothetically) you'd be able to pay with mobile phones like you would, using Apple/Android Pay? ??? Just a thought.
Will the stop announcements on the Hybrid buses be updated at any point? As some of them are out of date. And will the 24/29 routes be added?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 10, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
Will the stop announcements on the Hybrid buses be updated at any point? As some of them are out of date. And will the 24/29 routes be added?
Speaking of which, the X1 still says "Bishops Street" when inbound into Coventry City Centre instead of Upper Wells Street, Corporation Street and Pool Meadow Bus Station.
The harborne corridor very boring today e400s and hybrids on majority.
B7rle on 24
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 12, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
The harborne corridor very boring today e400s and hybrids on majority.
B7rle on 24
That and the odd Trident is what you get anyway.
Just seen a Pershore branded e400 on the 24 on Broad St if that's any use?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 12, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
That and the odd Trident is what you get anyway.
Just seen a Pershore branded e400 on the 24 on Broad St if that's any use?
Mostly E400 and Hybrids. With a couple of Tridents and the odd B7RLE.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 12, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
That and the odd Trident is what you get anyway.
Just seen a Pershore branded e400 on the 24 on Broad St if that's any use?
Didn't see any tridents on harborne corridor today...
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 12, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
That and the odd Trident is what you get anyway.
Just seen a Pershore branded e400 on the 24 on Broad St if that's any use?
Didn't see any tridents on harborne corridor though ...
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 12, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Didn't see any tridents on harborne corridor though ...
So now moaning when a garage does the job properly!
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 12, 2017, 05:49:29 PM
That and the odd Trident is what you get anyway.
Just seen a Pershore branded e400 on the 24 on Broad St if that's any use?
4166 & 4621 on the Pershore Road today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 12, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Didn't see any tridents on harborne corridor though ...
There was one on the 24 earlier.
Quote from: Tony on April 12, 2017, 06:42:44 PM
So now moaning when a garage does the job properly!
I'm not moaning just stating as I'm used to seeing tridents on 24/29
Quote from: Nathan on April 12, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
There was one on the 24 earlier.
Caught 4618 this morning, funnily enough.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 12, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
The harborne corridor very boring today e400s and hybrids on majority.
B7rle on 24
I would say with E400s, B5LHs, a few B7RLEs and Tridents it's no more boring than any other major corridor - with a bit more variety than most.
Quote from: Mike K on April 12, 2017, 08:16:28 PM
I would say with E400s, B5LHs, a few B7RLEs and Tridents it's no more boring than any other major corridor - with a bit more variety than most.
Agreed, look at the Soho road corridor, pretty much E400s and that's it
Quote from: Lukeee on April 12, 2017, 11:05:06 PM
Agreed, look at the Soho road corridor, pretty much E400s and that's it
Is it still classed as a "corridor" - even if it's only the 74? Or would we be counting the 74E as a separate route? ??? But yeah, your point is valid, I guess - sorry if I knocked it! lmao :P
Quote from: Lukeee on April 12, 2017, 11:05:06 PM
Agreed, look at the Soho road corridor, pretty much E400s and that's it
The 14 is completely Trident.
5510 has gained a new nearside ad frame
Quote from: clayderman on April 13, 2017, 12:20:13 AM
Is it still classed as a "corridor" - even if it's only the 74? Or would we be counting the 74E as a separate route? ??? But yeah, your point is valid, I guess - sorry if I knocked it! lmao :P
You could class it as a one route corridor, the 74E is just a short working after all ;)
@Jack B its 2148 saw it at Chelmsley Interchange around 13:50 heading back to town
X1 , X2 and 60 have been diverted this morning
Due to a collision on the Coventry Road by Aldi (Sheldon)
Source : Solihull Updates (Facebook)
2143 on the 99, possibly the last b7rle 99.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
2143 on the 99, possibly the last b7rle 99.
I wouldn't rule it out, Welsh House Farm Road is closed during the daytime for the next couple of weeks:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/#3269_Centro
Quote from: Stu on April 15, 2017, 11:57:59 AM
I wouldn't rule it out, Welsh House Farm Road is closed during the daytime for the next couple of weeks:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/#3269_Centro
I'd sooner have an E200 anyway 😂😂
Noticed the X1 and X2 Platinums now have vinyls on advertising contactless payment.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 15, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
2143 on the 99, possibly the last b7rle 99.
And the 99 certainly wasn't broken today. All of them running on time!!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 15, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
And the 99 certainly wasn't broken today. All of them running on time!!!
You can track every 99?
@Tony I think
@Trident 4194 has gained access to the software that tracks the buses :o
Where is the best place to report potholes on the road? The Quinton Road has been absolutely shocking for a while but it seems to be getting even worse and I feel like there's going to be an accident on that road if it's not sorted.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 18, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
Where is the best place to report potholes on the road? The Quinton Road has been absolutely shocking for a while but it seems to be getting even worse and I feel like there's going to be an accident on that road if it's not sorted.
Tell me about it... even worse on a dart with no suspension
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 18, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
Where is the best place to report potholes on the road? The Quinton Road has been absolutely shocking for a while but it seems to be getting even worse and I feel like there's going to be an accident on that road if it's not sorted.
Any in Birmingham should be reported at Birmingham.gov.uk/potholes
Check other council's websites outside Birmingham
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2017, 05:47:20 PM
Any in Birmingham should be reported at Birmingham.gov.uk/potholes
Check other council's websites outside Birmingham
Cheers! It's scary on the 29, I thought I was going to go through the roof!
4457 came up Newport Road and the Chester Road passing Spitfire Island and the JLR in Castle Vale at about 15:00 today, being driven by an engineer. Unusual to see any BC bus round there.
If anyone is interested, 802 is currently doing the final 99 journey from Birmingham (21:15 from Priory Queensway). Then it'll do the final 99 from Halesowen (22:30 departure).
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 22, 2017, 09:23:53 PM
If anyone is interested, 802 is currently doing the final 99 journey from Birmingham (21:15 from Priory Queensway). Then it'll do the final 99 from Halesowen (22:30 departure).
It's nice to know which bus did the last departures on the 99. It's a shame because that's the end of the era for the 99 & 636.
6854 is on the 60 today.
Is that usual and do BC use there spare platinums on the 60? As i've seen quite a few on there recently.
Quote from: 2206 on April 23, 2017, 03:13:09 PM
6854 is on the 60 today.
Is that usual and do BC use there spare platinums on the 60? As i've seen quite a few on there recently.
I would say yes, spares are put on the 60. On there quite often
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 18, 2017, 05:35:34 PM
Where is the best place to report potholes on the road? The Quinton Road has been absolutely shocking for a while but it seems to be getting even worse and I feel like there's going to be an accident on that road if it's not sorted.
You might be pleased to know that some potholes have been filled in, Quinton Road was closed when I went out early this morning
Quote from: Ex BC driver on April 23, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
You might be pleased to know that some potholes have been filled in, Quinton Road was closed when I went out early this morning
Oh really? That is good news! I might get the 29 tomorrow morning and take a look. I know that the Harbone Park Road was done not so long ago as that was bad in places too.
Reserve fleet vehicles out this morning
4192 on the 14
4201 on the 63
both back in garage after the morning peak
4948 seen near YW garage at around 3pm.
A few not so 'X' 64s still displaying Limited Stop on the destination displays today.
Anyone still needing it, 4201 is on the 14 today, not seen 92 yet.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 27, 2017, 11:10:55 AM
Anyone still needing it, 4201 is on the 14 today, not seen 92 yet.
4192 is on the 70/73, just approaching city on the 73
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2017, 11:37:06 AM
4192 is on the 70/73, just approaching city on the 73
Thanks Tony
Quote from: Mike K on April 24, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
A few not so 'X' 64s still displaying Limited Stop on the destination displays today.
2133 is using an old display today, including Bournebrook and Kitwell on it.
Quote from: Ex BC driver on April 23, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
You might be pleased to know that some potholes have been filled in, Quinton Road was closed when I went out early this morning
Well I had a go today. I could see where they've attempted to fill the holes but it's still very bumpy down there. That road needs resurfacing completely to be honest.
Is there any chance to see something different from Volvo B7R Wright Eclipse Urban 2 on line x64?
Quote from: Emperor on April 29, 2017, 10:46:54 PM
Is there any chance to see something different from Volvo B7R Wright Eclipse Urban 2 on line x64?
No chance of anything but a Volvo B7RLE, since it was rerouted on the 23/04 it now passes under the low trees Wheeleys Road, so deckers can't be used and the E200 left BC when the 99 was withdrawn last Sunday.
In all honesty, this incarnation of the X64 is probably the best since it was introduced in the sense that it actually goes to places worth going. The Bristol Road malarky was never popular in terms of passengers boarding. Glad it now goes back past the University station etc again, but I'd still rather the 21. And it's a left turn at Pritchards Road from being that again...
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
Due to a person being hit by a train at Tile Hill (09:03 Euston-Birmingham) There are no trains running between Coventry and Birmingham International.
X1s are overloading so 4944 is currently out doing duplicates
@Tony any idea if it's going all the way to Coventry? And what time it'll be in Coventry?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 04, 2017, 01:47:02 PM
@Tony any idea if it's going all the way to Coventry? And what time it'll be in Coventry?
Trains started running again an hour ago, back in garage
Will 5508 be out on the 60 all day
@Tony 8)
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 08, 2017, 10:12:32 AM
Will 5508 be out on the 60 all day @Tony 8)
No. did the school run
Just seen a Crimson Trident leave City Centre as a 61 - Frankley !
Keep a watch out for 4148; 4595; 4596; ; 4280; 4284; 4291 all due to have allover adverts applied anytime now
How recently has the 00:28 29 from City been added the timetable? I don't remember there being one after midnight.
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2017, 09:59:07 AM
Keep a watch out for 4148; 4595; 4596; ; 4280; 4284; 4291 all due to have allover adverts applied anytime now
I'm guessing 4595/4596 will be crimsoned after the adverts are removed then. Will 4148 be treated to a red/white repaint
@Tony ?
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2017, 09:59:07 AM
Keep a watch out for 4148; 4595; 4596; ; 4280; 4284; 4291 all due to have allover adverts applied anytime now
Why put one on 4284? It's paint is fine.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 11, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
I'm guessing 4595/4596 will be crimsoned after the adverts are removed then. Will 4148 be treated to a red/white repaint @Tony ?
I noticed today that 4595 has finally had its adblue tank fitted.
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2017, 09:59:07 AM
Keep a watch out for 4148; 4595; 4596; ; 4280; 4284; 4291 all due to have allover adverts applied anytime now
Interesting. Will the ads still be on them in four weeks time?
6838 involved in a rta yestarday, some minor panel damage but should be off road for a bit.
Are old buses going to be branded for the X70 then?
4875 is this years pride bus. Its on the 63 today.
Quote from: 2206 on May 15, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
4875 is this years pride bus.
What has 4875 got to be proud of?
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
What has 4875 got to be proud of?
I think NE should be applauded for supporting Pride!!
Quote from: 2206 on May 15, 2017, 06:56:03 PM
BC 45/47 - 5517.
I see the hybrids appearing on other routes a lot lately. This didn't used to happen at all!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 15, 2017, 07:45:17 PM
I think NE should be applauded for supporting Pride!!
Ohhhh, that's the gay thing isn't it? I forgot.
Do they have a proud to be straight event?
Edit: I say "straight", but that's being politically correct. "Do they have a proud to be normal event?" is what I meant lol
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Ohhhh, that's the gay thing isn't it? I forgot.
Do they have a proud to be straight event?
I don't think that is a fair comment, I am gay and proud of it!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 15, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
I don't think that is a fair comment, I am gay and proud of it!!
Oh right. How's that going?
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:39:26 PM
What has 4875 got to be proud of?
It did an impressive job of demolishing that front garden and car on the driveway in Harborne.
Quote from: Mike K on May 15, 2017, 08:04:55 PM
It did an impressive job of demolishing that front garden and car on the driveway in Harborne.
Robust British engineering eh
Quote from: Mike K on May 15, 2017, 08:04:55 PM
It did an impressive job of demolishing that front garden and car on the driveway in Harborne.
Did anyone actually find out how the hell the driver did that??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 15, 2017, 07:45:17 PM
I think NE should be applauded for supporting Pride!!
Absolutely, and for ignoring any idiotic people who don't understand what it's like to be abused or belittled just for who you love.
I am looking forward to be part of the team walking alongside 4875 at Pride later this month. :)
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Ohhhh, that's the gay thing isn't it? I forgot.
Do they have a proud to be straight event?
Edit: I say "straight", but that's being politically correct. "Do they have a proud to be normal event?" is what I meant lol
It used to be illegal and was not appealed until 1969 so it's a celebration of equal love
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Edit: I say "straight", but that's being politically correct. "Do they have a proud to be normal event?" is what I meant lol
I think you should put your shovel away mate while you can still climb out.
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Ohhhh, that's the gay thing isn't it? I forgot.
Do they have a proud to be straight event?
Edit: I say "straight", but that's being politically correct. "Do they have a proud to be normal event?" is what I meant lol
Pride events aren't just for gay people they are all inclusive events. As an openly gay man I think its good companies support different events and help to make a difference. And as for your edit I think that is too far, there is no such thing as 'normal' as everyone is normal no matter who you are or who you love everyone is equal and has equal rights.
Heavy traffic on Coventry road from Hay Mills
Due to a accident by the Airport
58 , 60 , X1 , X2 affected
Anyone looking for the pride buz its on the 60 today
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Ohhhh, that's the gay thing isn't it? I forgot.
Do they have a proud to be straight event?
Edit: I say "straight", but that's being politically correct. "Do they have a proud to be normal event?" is what I meant lol
What is normal? So you are implying being gay is abnormal? We are all different people which makes us all unique. Some people are straight some are bi, some are gay, some people like buses, some like trains, some like collecting stamps, some like bungee jumping, some like cats, some like dogs, some like tea, some like coffee...
The reason for gay pride is to show that gay people are not ashamed but proud of who they are, despite being looked down upon, abused and discriminated which straight people dont have to deal with.
Anyhow, back to the buses...!
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 20, 2017, 11:05:53 AM
What is normal? So you are implying being gay is abnormal? We are all different people which makes us all unique. Some people are straight some are bi, some are gay, some people like buses, some like trains, some like collecting stamps, some like bungee jumping, some like cats, some like dogs, some like tea, some like coffee...
The reason for gay pride is to show that gay people are not ashamed but proud of who they are, despite being looked down upon, abused and discriminated which straight people dont have to deal with.
Anyhow, back to the buses...!
If only there was a button to "like" this post 8)
I must say I much prefer this year's pride bus design to the last one, it reminded me of Trivial Pursuit.
Reserve fleet vehicle 4192 is on the 97 today, probably be its last day in service there before moving onto another home in its tour of garages
Seen a BC B7RLE maybe 2125 on possible route training for the X70 going up Chipperfield Road from Bromford Drive around 10:25 today. Did think it was on loan to AG for the 72 at first but couldn't seen the route number properly as I was a bit far away to check, so I put it here instead of the NW May thread just in case it wasn't
I've seen a lot of B7RLEs on the 29 and Tridents on the 24 lately. Where have all the e400s gone? Branded for the 60?
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 31, 2017, 07:34:07 AM
I've seen a lot of B7RLEs on the 29 and Tridents on the 24 lately. Where have all the e400s gone? Branded for the 60?
TBH I've noticed a rapid decrease of the amount of tridents on the 24. Harborne corridor seems to be e400, hybrids, b7rles.. which is what it is meant to be?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
TBH I've noticed a rapid decrease of the amount of tridents on the 24. Harborne corridor seems to be e400, hybrids, b7rles.. which is what it is meant to be?
Any suitable double decker
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What is now being used on the 63?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What is now being used on the 63?
Again, a mix of Tridents and Enviro400s
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What is now being used on the 63?
Oh for f*ck sake. Seriously!? How on earth is it NX's fault is buses are off the road?
Let me just get Engie Benjy's phone number out...
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2017, 02:14:47 PM
Oh for f*ck sake. Seriously!? How on earth is it NX's fault is buses are off the road?
Let me just get Engie Benjy's phone number out...
No but in a way,
@Trident 4194 is right, how long have these new rules been known about and yet when they start NX finds itself short of usable buses. What if this week had been a sschool week, it would have been worse.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What customer requirements?
Doesn't matter what type of buses are used on the Harbornes, as long as it runs, complies with the new rulings, and there is enough capacity for peak time passengers
4164 is on the 14 today. Thats not compliant is it?
There is also a B7RLE on the 24 today. 2137, I think.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What is now being used on the 63?
What customer requirements?
Quote from: 2206 link=topic=1861.msg215114#msg215114 date
There is also a B7RLE on the 24 today. 2137, I think.
What customer requirements?
/quote]
Yes it's 2137.
Quote from: 2206 on May 31, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
4164 is on the 14 today. Thats not compliant is it?
Sure I saw 4162 and 4163 on the 14 this morning too, unless I'm getting one mixed up with the above.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
What is now being used on the 63?
Oh fgs. Can you stop posting rubbish. If you don't like NX then go to Diamond who obviously love you!
@Trident 4194
Quote from: 2206 on May 31, 2017, 02:45:11 PM
4164 is on the 14 today. Thats not compliant is it?
There is also a B7RLE on the 24 today. 2137, I think.
What customer requirements?
A double decker
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
TBH I've noticed a rapid decrease of the amount of tridents on the 24. Harborne corridor seems to be e400, hybrids, b7rles.. which is what it is meant to be?
Not this week, but the previous 2-3 weeks there have been plenty of Tridents on the 24.
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 31, 2017, 06:08:55 PM
Not this week, but the previous 2-3 weeks there have been plenty of Tridents on the 24.
There is 2 Tridents on the 24 today and there were several on there yesterday.
@MasterPlan
Quote from: Jack B on May 31, 2017, 06:14:01 PM
There is 2 Tridents on the 24 today and there were several on there yesterday. @MasterPlan
Was disappointed about the lack of hybrids on 24 today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
Was disappointed about the lack of hybrids on 24 today
So? At least you had a bus, as long as it operated why does it matter whether you had a Hybrid, E400, or any other type?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
Was disappointed about the lack of hybrids on 24 today
There wasn't any on the 24! Are E400's too slow for you? Anyway the 24 just gets the spare Hybrids, so you won't see one on it everyday.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
So nx aren't meeting customer requirements but as long as it reaches Stupid Birmingham rules then it's fine?
You seem to be confusing "customer requirements" with "enthusiasts requirements". ;)
I'm sure Tony can back me up on this, as its a school holiday, when vehicle requirements are lower, it is an ideal opportunity to start moving vehicles around.
Plus I'm sorry to have to tell you, that any new rules with regards to vehicle emission requirements will always supercede any customer (or indeed 'enthusiast') requirements.
Passengers just want to get on a bus, to get to where they want to go. You might be unhappy that you don't get the 'type' of bus that you'd like to (or would normally 'expect' to) get, but NX have to put customers requirements ahead of any 'enthusiasts' requirements.
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2017, 08:21:08 PM
You seem to be confusing "customer requirements" with "enthusiasts requirements". ;)
I'm sure Tony can back me up on this, as its a school holiday, when vehicle requirements are lower, it is an ideal opportunity to start moving vehicles around.
Plus I'm sorry to have to tell you, that any new rules with regards to vehicle emission requirements will always supercede any customer (or indeed 'enthusiast') requirements.
Passengers just want to get on a bus, to get to where they want to go. You might be unhappy that you don't get the 'type' of bus that you'd like to (or would normally 'expect' to) get, but NX have to put customers requirements ahead of any 'enthusiasts' requirements.
Maybe I should have put that differently. Having single deckers on a previously 99% of the time double decker route? Is that not suggesting there is going to be overcrowding? Same for the 127/128 omnilink s being used?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2017, 08:30:47 PM
Maybe I should have put that differently. Having single deckers on a previously 99% of the time double decker route? Is that not suggesting there is going to be overcrowding? Same for the 127/128 omnilink s being used?
As I already stated, its school holidays this week. So passenger numbers are lower, as a lot of people who normally use the buses to commute to school/work are on holiday.
B7RLEs are not that uncommon on the 24 anyway, even before this week. I can see that they can get crowded in rush hour but during the day with a 10 min frequency, and in the evenings they manage fine.
I may be wide of the mark but I'd expect BC's allocation of single decks to reduce this weekend for the East Birmingham service changes. They will only technically be needed on the 98/X64 from then.
With the demise of the 59 and the 73 moving to AG I would like to thank the drivers on these routes. I have been taking my wife into the City Centre in a wheelchair and have always been treated with courtesy and consideration and often been made to feel welcome. This has made what could have difficult journeys a pleasure.
4384 and 4385 parked on the pumps at BC tonight
@Tony is the X70 going to be a platinum route?
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1543480125697016/?type=3&theater
Quote from: 2206 on June 02, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
@Tony is the X70 going to be a platinum route?
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1543480125697016/?type=3&theater
That's what it says in the picture...
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 03:11:38 PM
That's what it says in the picture...
Tony said it was going to be Trident operated.
NX have removed it now.
Must say I miss BC operating the 99. Gone are the days of thrashing an e200
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 02, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
Must say I miss BC operating the 99. Gone are the days of thrashing an e200
so can't you catch a e200 on the 244 then or do they run on time now as you don't whing about the 244 running late
Quote from: karl724223 on June 02, 2017, 08:51:27 PM
so can't you catch a e200 on the 244 then or do they run on time now as you don't whing about the 244 running late
Run on time just don't have the speed factor that the 99 had
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 02, 2017, 08:53:07 PM
Run on time just don't have the speed factor that the 99 had
Eh? The E200s 801-804 ex bc which PN have still don't give the thrash then...
Bizarre isn't the thrash cause by the way each driver drives it so your saying PN drivers are slow ?
@karl724223 and
@pndriver
Quote from: Chris on June 02, 2017, 10:11:23 PM
Eh? The E200s 801-804 ex bc which PN have still don't give the thrash then...
Bizarre isn't the thrash cause by the way each driver drives it so your saying PN drivers are slow ? @karl724223 and @pndriver
At a guess, because the timetable is better?
Quote from: Chris on June 02, 2017, 10:11:23 PM
Eh? The E200s 801-804 ex bc which PN have still don't give the thrash then...
Bizarre isn't the thrash cause by the way each driver drives it so your saying PN drivers are slow ? @karl724223 and @pndriver
They no longer need to thrash them, not so many passengers to pick up on the 244, hence why they run in time.......
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2017, 12:18:22 AM
They no longer need to thrash them, not so many passengers to pick up on the 244, hence why they run in time.......
You think? 244's are actually quite popular and busy, loadings are strong.
Quote from: Dom on June 03, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
You think? 244's are actually quite popular and busy, loadings are strong.
I'm yet to see a 244 as busy as the 99s were between Halesowen and the QE. Of course that could all change now passengers don't have the 142 option.
Quote from: sonic84 on June 03, 2017, 06:05:43 AM
I'm yet to see a 244 as busy as the 99s were between Halesowen and the QE. Of course that could all change now passengers don't have the 142 option.
Loadinha of 802 yesterday were very strong with majority getting off at the island of harborne high streeet
Quote from: Jack B on May 31, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
There wasn't any on the 24! Are E400's too slow for you? Anyway the 24 just gets the spare Hybrids, so you won't see one on it everyday.
You see Hybrids on the 24 most days to be honest. And I wouldn't have thought that the branded ones are classed as spares?
4616, I believe is going to operate the 22:48 Coleshill - City Centre and 23:30 City Centre - Kinshurst,
the last Coleshill - Birmingham City Centre journey on the 70 and the last Birmingham City Centre - Kingshurst journey on the 56.
After that the 56 will be withdrawn and so will the 70 other than 1 school journey in each direction.
Just about on topic but the house at which 4875 ended up in the front garden is up for sale. The trauma of having a double decker demolish their garden and car must have proved too much.
£535,000 if anyone's interested.
Coleshill is Platinum today! 6825 and 6826, although only one displaying the correct route number - not sure 6825 has had display updated yet
Quote from: 2206 on June 03, 2017, 05:25:31 PM
4616, I believe is going to operate the 22:48 Coleshill - City Centre and 23:30 City Centre - Kinshurst,
the last Coleshill - Birmingham City Centre journey on the 70 and the last Birmingham City Centre - Kingshurst journey on the 56.
After that the 56 will be withdrawn and so will the 70 other than 1 school journey in each direction.
4613 ran the last 56 from City!
Just seen an X64 going down Broad St into the City!?!
2228 and a UID E200 MMC are on the 58 today.
Quote from: James4368 on June 05, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
2228 and a UID E200 MMC are on the 58 today.
The 58 is run by AG and will be 100% E200MMC
A few Y reg Trident's cling on at Birmingham Central. Seen 4166 and 4177 on the X70 today (both which have AdBlue traps). Does anyone know how many are left now at BC?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 05, 2017, 03:27:31 PM
A few Y reg Trident's cling on at Birmingham Central. Seen 4166 and 4177 on the X70 today (both which have AdBlue traps). Does anyone know how many are left now at BC?
All 7 Euro 4 ones
There's still 3 or 4 others there at the moment (4130/69 are 2 still fit) which may venture out on the 501 on Wednesday
Anyone see what the allocation on the 29 was today? Of the 3 I saw (might have seen one twice as this was morning and evening) all were B7RLEs. There was at least one B7RLE on the 24 too.
Quote from: Mike K on June 05, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
Anyone see what the allocation on the 29 was today? Of the 3 I saw (might have seen one twice as this was morning and evening) all were B7RLEs. There was at least one B7RLE on the 24 too.
All I saw yesterday was B7RLEs apart from one Trident early morning. Seems to be mainly single deck again now...
Quote from: Mike K on June 05, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
Anyone see what the allocation on the 29 was today? Of the 3 I saw (might have seen one twice as this was morning and evening) all were B7RLEs. There was at least one B7RLE on the 24 too.
B7RLES mike, noticed a few tridents on the harborne corridor too.
What service does the 94C come off or go onto ? 4614 was seen operating this afternoons school service with 94E displayed instead of 94C.
I'm pretty sure I saw 4614 following 4613 on the 14 just after 4pm on Alum Rock Road
Quote from: Brummie45 on June 06, 2017, 06:15:25 PM
What service does the 94C come off or go onto ? 4614 was seen operating this afternoons school service with 94E displayed instead of 94C.
94C should be a PB route as I saw an ex Cov Gemini going up Washwood Heath Road by Saltley Gate at 18:25 with 94C on the rear display
Confirmed by a driver I know it's on the 14 rota.
6826 is one of the X1 with revised destination displays with larger number and emphasis on speedy journey.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/1yi90s
4176 on 94C
X2 branded 6833 waiting at Steelhouse Lane NIS, I'm guessing that'll be on the 24
Edit: Nevermind, it's left the stop NIS lol
6833 did do a trip on the 24, was on Broad Street at 16.10 toward Harborne
Quote from: JoNi on June 07, 2017, 01:15:39 PM
6826 is one of the X1 with revised destination displays with larger number and emphasis on speedy journey.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/1yi90s
Much improved. Why they didn't put it like that when the buses were new I don't know, much easier to read even for those with fair eyesight.
I also noticed that we're back to the 20 minute frequency of the 900 that we enjoyed in the late naughties!
Is this permanent or just for the summer timetable?
The only thing left that could be improved on the X1 would be mute buttons for individual 'next stop speakers' so I don't have to sit directly/indirectly under a speaker. [That or have a volume control of some description.]
4160 on the889 this afternoon, 6852 was on it yesterday.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 07, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
4160 on the889 this afternoon, 6852 was on it yesterday.
A 214* B7RLE was on the 891 this afternoon as well.
The 59S has moved from BY to BC and is now Trident operated.
4441 is on the 59S today.
4939 on route 97.
Quote from: j789 on June 10, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
There were several Single Deck Volvos on the 63 today, probably as a result of the cricket shuttles taking deckers. I saw at least 4 whilst doing two 144s today. Possibly may have been a loaned YW Trident on the 63 too as the didnt think BC had 43** ones, may be wrong though on that.
BC have 4384 and 4385 now
@j789.
Quote from: 2206 on June 10, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
BC have 4384 and 4385 now @j789.
Cheers. I wasn't sure as as 43** just didn't seem right for BC.
Not sure what other bus drivers on here think about this but being an enthusiast as well as a driver definitely gets some funny looks from passengers when you stop at a bus stop for no reason (other than to check out 'noteworthy workings' on other routes!!!)
Oh lord, the cricket yesterday caused lots of mayhem for Bristol and Pershore Rd routes.
On another note, I feel there are too many single deckers now at BC. Weve lost the 58 and 59 which were mainly single decker routes and instead of loosing single deckers have lost double deckers. Now single deckers are appearing on double deck routes such as the 63, 60, 97 and the 24 and 29 are almost all single deck now.
Any thoughts...
Maybe it's because buses are getting new brandings from the East Brum changes and plus you don't know what they will make up (called consultation) for the south west changes.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 11, 2017, 10:20:02 AM
Oh lord, the cricket yesterday caused lots of mayhem for Bristol and Pershore Rd routes.
On another note, I feel there are too many single deckers now at BC. Weve lost the 58 and 59 which were mainly single decker routes and instead of loosing single deckers have lost double deckers. Now single deckers are appearing on double deck routes such as the 63, 60, 97 and the 24 and 29 are almost all single deck now.
Any thoughts...
Why were Cricket shuttles causing issues? Also I think that due to the Euro emissions in city centre, some early tridents that BC had have now gone, and b7rles are compliant. I said that point about the 24 and 29 before about overcrowding but apparently they cope fine with B7rles. I beg to differ
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 11, 2017, 10:20:02 AM
On another note, I feel there are too many single deckers now at BC. Weve lost the 58 and 59 which were mainly single decker routes and instead of loosing single deckers have lost double deckers. Now single deckers are appearing on double deck routes such as the 63, 60, 97 and the 24 and 29 are almost all single deck now.
Any thoughts...
Where have all the deckers disappeared to? There's still some on the 24 but the 29 seems to be all singles. Which is already proving to be hilarious at times.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 11, 2017, 11:38:09 AM
Where have all the deckers disappeared to? There's still some on the 24 but the 29 seems to be all singles. Which is already proving to be hilarious at times.
They've been withdrawn / transferred elsewhere
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 11, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
Why were Cricket shuttles causing issues? Also I think that due to the Euro emissions in city centre, some early tridents that BC had have now gone, and b7rles are compliant. I said that point about the 24 and 29 before about overcrowding but apparently they cope fine with B7rles. I beg to differ
Presumably the cricket caused issues because of traffic along those routes.
The 24 seems to manage ok with some single deckers because there are still a number of double deckers on there and it has a 10 min frequency. As regards the 29, under the old 10 minute frequency it managed just about but when buses were late they quickly became overcrowded. With the now 15 minute frequency I don't think single deckers are adequate, particularly at peak times from what I've seen.
I wonder whether the current imbalance of single deckers at BC will be addressed when the next batch of new vehicles arrive - whenever that might be.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 11, 2017, 11:35:56 AM
Why were Cricket shuttles causing issues?
The cricket shuttles wernt causing issues it was heavy traffic and increased passengers.
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
They've been withdrawn / transferred elsewhere
The e400s too? Where have they been transferred to?
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 11, 2017, 02:10:20 PM
The e400s too? Where have they been transferred to?
Sometimes I do wonder if people actually look at the list of transfers I actually do to try and keep people infoemed of fleet moves
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 11, 2017, 02:10:20 PM
The e400s too? Where have they been transferred to?
Central have had 2 extra Enviro400s lately, 4928 and 4929
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 11, 2017, 02:10:20 PM
The e400s too? Where have they been transferred to?
What are all the Pershore Road branded buses??? I believe they are E40D's (E400's). It is only the non compliant Y-TOH Trident 2's that have been withdrawn or dispatched to other garages
@MasterPlan
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 11, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
What are all the Pershore Road branded buses??? I believe they are E40D's (E400's). It is only the non compliant Y-TOH Trident 2's that have been withdrawn or dispatched to other garages @MasterPlan
What have the Pershore branded enviros got to do with the 24/29 etc?
Weve gained two double deckers (4928 / 29) but lost a lot more double deckers.
I notice single deck 29s bulging in peak times. As also on the 63.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 11, 2017, 05:48:45 PM
Weve gained two double deckers (4928 / 29) but lost a lot more double deckers.
I notice single deck 29s bulging in peak times. As also on the 63.
Surprised BC haven't gained more 43** YW tridents. How did the 49 cope with single deckers?
What was 2152 doing this afternoon
@Tony? It came into the City Centre via Jennes Road at about 16:10, very overcrowded with a full standing load, then left on a 98E to the QE Hospital?
Quote from: 2206 on June 12, 2017, 05:36:15 PM
What was 2152 doing this afternoon @Tony? It came into the City Centre via Jennes Road at about 16:10, very overcrowded with a full standing load, then left on a 98E to the QE Hospital?
Just been told its on a board that operates dead to Chelmsley Wood, goes onto a 14 to the City Centre and then goes onto a 98E to the QE Hospital, so is booked B7RLE.
Do we know what buses will be used for the 501 shuttle on Thursday?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 12, 2017, 07:00:56 PM
Do we know what buses will be used for the 501 shuttle on Thursday?
BC still have reserve 4130; 4132; 4160; 4162; 4169; 4183 so any of those that are fit will turn up
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2017, 07:25:05 PM
BC still have reserve 4130; 4132; 4160; 4162; 4169; 4183 so any of those that are fit will turn up
@Tony cheers for that buddy will they be around new street stn around 8am?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 13, 2017, 03:57:38 PM
@Tony cheers for that buddy will they be around new street stn around 8am?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/useful-information/cricket-shuttle-buses-to-edgbaston
2142 was on the 97 today.
4132 is on the X70 today. The driver called a passenger back on 4132 in the City Centre on the Priory Queensway he came back, punched the assault screen and screamed "Stop showing of" at the driver repeatedly and he then went back upstairs. The driver turned the engine of and told him to get of, but he never did and decided to carry on in the end. Going onto the Aston Expressway he came down and asked to be let of in the middle of the Aston Expressway, the driver told him "No and your going to have to take a seat", he stood there all the way to Bromford repeatedly asking to be left on a pressing the bell, once it got to the 11 stop by the Fort just before it goes under the M6 bridge he asked to be let of the driver said no and you never paid your fare, you must think I'm stupid, just walking on without paying and then asking to get of were your not allowed to" so he tried to press the emergency open button (he pressed the wrong one and couldn't work out how it worked), he got of at the 1st X70 stop in Bromford on Bromford Road looking rather lost and confused when he got of as he wanted to go to Saltley/Nechells on the 55/94. He boarded 4525 on the 11C, again without paying his fare, but this time the driver didn't say anything. He was acting rather dodgy and unusual onboard. He then followed me of 4525 at the Bromford Lane, Old Bromford Lane stop, then looking rather lost confused and unsure about were he crossed over and walked down the middle of the road on the grass on Bromord Lane.
If you are going to pull up a passenger and switch off the engine then see it through, dont back down.
If you are just going to give up and drive he will expect this again.
Press the emergency button and talk loudly on the radio mentioning you want the POLICE.
A tip I use is to call the garage tell em the situation and whisper on the radio to tell control to say to me 'The police are on the way and will be with you in 5 minutes' and then turn the radio volume up LOUD.
Also to try and get the other passengers on your side by saying 'You are holding up all these people who want to get home'
Most frustrating thing is when another passenger interferes and offers to pay for the culprit.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 20, 2017, 12:17:24 PM
If you are going to pull up a passenger and switch off the engine then see it through, dont back down.
If you are just going to give up and drive he will expect this again.
Press the emergency button and talk loudly on the radio mentioning you want the POLICE.
A tip I use is to call the garage tell em the situation and whisper on the radio to tell control to say to me 'The police are on the way and will be with you in 5 minutes' and then turn the radio volume up LOUD.
Also to try and get the other passengers on your side by saying 'You are holding up all these people who want to get home'
Most frustrating thing is when another passenger interferes and offers to pay for the culprit.
Do you get paid extra for that? Is it worth your time? Press the anomoly button and smile dude. This is why most drivers have lost their hair. Don't worry about it.
Quote from: MW on June 20, 2017, 12:20:55 PM
Do you get paid extra for that? Is it worth your time? Press the anomoly button and smile dude. This is why most drivers have lost their hair. Don't worry about it.
I have a full head of hair.
I dont make a habit of pulling people up, but find the majority who dont pay etc are also the same ones who are also more likely to smoke upstairs too.
My point is, what is the point in switching off the engine if your going to just start it back up again and take them, probably to get more abuse as they get off.
Quote from: 37351ml on June 20, 2017, 09:26:26 AM
hybrid on 60. 08:40 ex city
It was 5507 seen it at Cranes Park around 09:25/09:30 8)
2144 is on the 97.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 20, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
I have a full head of hair.
I dont make a habit of pulling people up, but find the majority who dont pay etc are also the same ones who are also more likely to smoke upstairs too.
My point is, what is the point in switching off the engine if your going to just start it back up again and take them, probably to get more abuse as they get off.
Are there still messages programmed into the destination displays, such as 'vehicle under vandal attack' can't remember the exact wording, I think this dated back towhen graffiti and etching windows was commonplace.?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on June 21, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Are there still messages programmed into the destination displays, such as 'vehicle under vandal attack' can't remember the exact wording, I think this dated back towhen graffiti and etching windows was commonplace.?
I've never seen anything show on the destination displays. I know that when AG had the Scanias, those had an audible alarm that would sound with a 'bus under attack, call the police' message. Only ever heard it a couple of times.
Quote from: Stu on June 21, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
I've never seen anything show on the destination displays. I know that when AG had the Scanias, those had an audible alarm that would sound with a 'bus under attack, call the police' message. Only ever heard it a couple of times.
Yh I recall hearing a WA scania in West Brom doing that once think it was last year
Quote from: Stu on June 21, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
I've never seen anything show on the destination displays. I know that when AG had the Scanias, those had an audible alarm that would sound with a 'bus under attack, call the police' message. Only ever heard it a couple of times.
All the Omnilinks have the "This bus is under attack, please dial 999" message with the alarm, the drivers occasionally use it when someone gets on without paying there fare.
Do the Omnicity have it as well?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 22, 2017, 08:40:40 AM
5507 is on BC60.
5505 was also out on the 60 seen it twice in Sheldon between 09:00-09:20 and 10:25-10:40. 8)
Quote from: Jack B on June 23, 2017, 05:03:49 PM
2134? - 45/47
Yes think it is 2134 as saw it this morning
@Jack B . Any idea of timings and whether it's on 45/47 please? Wouldn't usually say these are noteworthy myself as quite often see them in the peak but 2134 has been out all day today which is unusual
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 23, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
Yes think it is 2134 as saw it this morning @Jack B . Any idea of timings and whether it's on 45/47 please? Wouldn't usually say these are noteworthy myself as quite often see them in the peak but 2134 has been out all day today which is unusual
Saw it at 12:00 leaving City on the 47. It's just left City on the 45.
@Dylanbusboy45
Quote from: Jack B on June 23, 2017, 05:11:40 PM
Saw it at 12:00 leaving City on the 47. It's just left City on the 45. @Dylanbusboy45
Many thanks
@Jack B ! :)
4472 is currently parked up on Richmond Road (Stechford). I presume it's awaiting a day on the 97 based on the branding, display and in the past, I've seen buses parked here starting services inbound.
It isn't an ideal space for laying over to start work as the roads become tight when a bus is parked plus the road is double yellows !
Given the 97 is the closest route to my house and I've been a passenger on the route for the past 15 years, I do find it slightly bothering that the branding doesn't mention Stechford !
Not seen any E400 on the 60 today (didn't see any on there between about 11:00 and 12:15)?
It appears to be mostly 46XX trident, a 444X Trident and a platinum E400 MMC 6851(?).
Quite strange not to have any E400 on the 60.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 28, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
2147 - 97
Thats not really unusual now. It happens fairly often.
Quote from: 2206 on June 28, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
Thats not really unusual now. It happens fairly often.
Oh the irony. What about all the rubbish you post elsewhere?
Quote from: MW on June 28, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Oh the irony. What about all the rubbish you post elsewhere?
I don't know what you are on about? What rubbish?
I accept there have been a few silly things I have posted in the past, for example I accept it was silly to post 6704s working in 2 threads the other day. But when you say "all the rubbish" suggesting lots I don't know what you are going on about.
From seeing the 97 everyday, from what i've seen they aren't unusual and with BC having lots of spare B7RLE there are more on the decker routes now, i'm just stating what i've seen.
I don't want an argument and it seems to me that is what your after from posting stuff like your post above. I don't see what this has to do with my earlier post either.
Quote from: 2206 on June 28, 2017, 03:41:48 PM
Not seen any E400 on the 60 today (didn't see any on there between about 11:00 and 12:15)?
It appears to be mostly 46XX trident, a 444X Trident and a platinum E400 MMC 6851(?).
Quite strange not to have any E400 on the 60.
Again today its either completely, or mostly Trident operated.
Where are the E400?
I've also noticed this myself but to my knowledge, Tridents are the allocated type for the route.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 01, 2017, 04:59:41 PM
I've also noticed this myself but to my knowledge, Tridents are the allocated type for the route.
Tridents were the booked type up until 2015, then it changed to booked E400 in 2015.
Since then and up until the service changes at the start of June it was mostly E400 with the odd Trident. Since the service changes its gone back to being mostly, or completely Trident operated and the E400 are no longer on the 60.
@GeminiFan1991 .
There are significantly more E400s on the 63 recently, with Tridents often in a minority from my observations.
Quote from: Mike K on July 01, 2017, 05:20:41 PM
There are significantly more E400s on the 63 recently, with Tridents often in a minority from my observations.
Yes I noticed that yesterday. Only saw a few Tridents on the 63 yesterday afternoon in Northfield
Quote from: 2206 on July 01, 2017, 05:01:45 PM
Tridents were the booked type up until 2015, then it changed to booked E400 in 2015.
Since then and up until the service changes at the start of June it was mostly E400 with the odd Trident. Since the service changes its gone back to being mostly, or completely Trident operated and the E400 are no longer on the 60. @GeminiFan1991 .
You do still get E400s on the 60, just not as many as there were before. Don't forget, from the June changes it has seen a frequency increase so requires more buses. Just so happens the extra buses being used are Tridents.
Quote from: Stu on July 01, 2017, 05:34:26 PM
You do still get E400s on the 60, just not as many as there were before. Don't forget, from the June changes it has seen a frequency increase so requires more buses. Just so happens the extra buses being used are Tridents.
Much less than before though and some days none are on the 60 at all. How much did the PVR increase by?
It appears to have become mostly Tridents, whilst the 63 appears to have become mostly E400.
Quote from: 2206 on July 01, 2017, 05:37:06 PM
It appears to have become mostly Tridents, whilst the 63 appears to have become mostly E400.
I'm guessing that's where all the e400s that were used for the 29 disappeared to.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 02, 2017, 10:46:57 AM
I'm guessing that's where all the e400s that were used for the 29 disappeared to.
4945 was on the 29 yesterday. ;)
Quote from: clayderman on July 02, 2017, 01:35:19 PM
4945 was on the 29 yesterday. ;)
Well accidents can happen I guess.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 05, 2017, 06:38:37 PM
4630 - 29
@MasterPlan the 29 doesn't have a fixed allocation, so nothing is really noteworthy on there.
Quote from: Stu on July 05, 2017, 07:00:10 PM
@MasterPlan the 29 doesn't have a fixed allocation, so nothing is really noteworthy on there.
The 29 does have a fixed allocation, all boards are nominally allocated B7RLEs
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2017, 07:05:28 PM
The 29 does have a fixed allocation, all boards are nominally allocated B7RLEs
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this change, presumably this occured after 4th June then?
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2017, 07:05:28 PM
The 29 does have a fixed allocation, all boards are nominally allocated B7RLEs
Is this the case on Sundays too?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 06, 2017, 06:53:00 AM
Is this the case on Sundays too?
Depends what the 24 gets on Sundays (I don't know), as the 24/29 interwork
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 06, 2017, 12:47:47 PM
Depends what the 24 gets on Sundays (I don't know), as the 24/29 interwork
Does it? The last time I boarded a 29 on a Sunday into the city centre it didn't change to a 24
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 06, 2017, 12:51:47 PM
Does it? The last time I boarded a 29 on a Sunday into the city centre it didn't change to a 24
Yes 24 & 29 have interworked for ages on Sundays. Normally Hybrids on Sundays supplemented by odd Enviro 400s
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2017, 01:01:26 PM
Yes 24 & 29 have interworked for ages on Sundays. Normally Hybrids on Sundays supplemented by odd Enviro 400s
Do they still interwork in the evenings as well?
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
Do they still interwork in the evenings as well?
I saw a 487* on the 24 change onto a 29E last night (Municipal Offices); I guess that answers that question :P
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
Do they still interwork in the evenings as well?
Yes, 24 arrives into city at 29 and 59 mins past the hour, and 29 departs at 00 and 30.
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2017, 06:41:51 PM
Yes, 24 arrives into city at 29 and 59 mins past the hour, and 29 departs at 00 and 30.
Does that apply to both 29s coming from both Northfield and Frankley?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 06, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
Does that apply to both 29s coming from both Northfield and Frankley?
All evening journeys continue to Frankley, there is a 30 minute frequency across the route in the evenings.
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
All evening journeys continue to Frankley, there is a 30 minute frequency across the route in the evenings.
I thought the last two went to Northfield?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 06, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
I thought the last two went to Northfield?
The 23:00 and 23:30 only go to Northfield, yes.
Looking at the timetable, yes they interwork with the 24 as well.
The bus on the 24 arrives in the City Centre at 22:59 and 23:29 and the bus leaves 23:00 and 23:30 on the 29.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 06, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
I thought the last two went to Northfield?
But you asked on the ones from Northfield, not to.
How come 4877 cadbury bus is on the harboure services would of thought it would of been on 45/7 or X61 /63 as they run nearer to cadbury world
Quote from: Solo1 on July 22, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
How come 4877 cadbury bus is on the harboure services would of thought it would of been on 45/7 or X61 /63 as they run nearer to cadbury world
Just because a bus is branded for a certain thing doesn't mean it runs on the routes that in this case go to Cadbury World it's up to the garage which route they put it on. Another example say a WA Trident was branded for Sainsbury doesn't mean it goes onto the 66 every day of the ad it would be getting no revenue it would say work the 10, 10A to encourage people to shop at Sainsbury Hint Revenue is the key word here and Brand Exposure
To be honest, there should have been a Cadbury bus based at AG or PB & put on the Outer Circle, as that runs near to Cadbury World too surely?
(Unless it's moving around the depots, like in the old days?)
Quote from: Solo1 on July 22, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
How come 4877 cadbury bus is on the harboure services would of thought it would of been on 45/7 or X61 /63 as they run nearer to cadbury world
Advertising is about awareness through promotion. There's no point promoting Cadbury World on buses that run nearby, as people living nearby will already know about Cadbury World!
Cadbury World have obviously paid a lot of money to have a full advert bus done, so for this campaign to 'pay for itself', their takings will need to increase accordingly. I expect this bus has been chosen so it can run on as many routes as possible to get best exposure, and not just the routes that go near Cadbury World!
Quote from: Stu on July 22, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
Cadbury World have obviously paid a lot of money to have a full advert bus done, so for this campaign to 'pay for itself', their takings will need to increase accordingly. I expect this bus has been chosen so it can run on as many routes as possible to get best exposure, and not just the routes that go near Cadbury World!
Nah Cadbury's haven't paid for it, it's a childs drawing of Birmingham Landmarks that Exterion/BCC/NXWM are using for a campaign to promote Birmingham.
Incidentally for those complaining, if you look on the Door side of the bus it shows the Bullring and the Library of Birmingham, the very same library that ALL of the BC Harborne routes serve, so why shouldn't it be on there!
Are 6836/9 alive and well as I only seem to see the others...
Quote from: 37351ml on July 25, 2017, 12:22:23 AM
Are 6836/9 alive and well as I only seem to see the others...
6839 is currently at Plaxtons, Anston
Quote from: Tony on July 25, 2017, 06:20:17 AM
6839 is currently at Plaxtons, Anston
And 6838 is off the road due to an RTA.
What bus does the 29S currently?
So I'm standing outside BY garage awaiting my 97 home and a X61 branded Platinum came across the horizon displaying X61 "Frankley". I was fairly perplexed but it was about to turn into BY garage before the driver noticed the gates were closed and proceeded onwards (Outbound).
Most confusing.
I always catch the 14 City bound that's due on Alum Rock Road, Saltley at 21.52. The bus was tracking up to 4 mins away. As I looked to my left I could see it at Saltley gate having travelled down Washwood Heath Road. The roads were clear, so no idea why it had diverted. Had to get a taxi to work after that. Not amused. A similar thing happened on Wednesday night too. Tracking up until 4 minutes away and suddenly dissaperead and didn't turn up.
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2017, 09:35:53 AM
I always catch the 14 City bound that's due on Alum Rock Road, Saltley at 21.52. The bus was tracking up to 4 mins away. As I looked to my left I could see it at Saltley gate having travelled down Washwood Heath Road. The roads were clear, so no idea why it had diverted. Had to get a taxi to work after that. Not amused. A similar thing happened on Wednesday night too. Tracking up until 4 minutes away and suddenly dissaperead and didn't turn up.
It was diverted due to road works between Saltley Gate and Stechford Lane, the diversion was on Network West Midlands Website all week.
In future check Network West Midlands website for disruptions and diversions -
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/params?TransportModeA=5#3640_Centro
Quote from: 2206 on August 05, 2017, 11:55:17 AM
It was diverted due to road works between Saltley Gate and Stechford Lane, the diversion was on Network West Midlands Website all week.
In future check Network West Midlands website for disruptions and diversions -
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/params?TransportModeA=5#3640_Centro
But it ran as normal on Thursday night, which confused me. If a bus was diverted as far back as Stechford lane, would it still track on the app as normal with as little as 2/4 mins to go? I'm not sure which route it took last night, I left earlier and got a 55 at the Gate to be on the safe side.
Quote from: Gareth on August 06, 2017, 08:15:35 AM
But it ran as normal on Thursday night, which confused me. If a bus was diverted as far back as Stechford lane, would it still track on the app as normal with as little as 2/4 mins to go? I'm not sure which route it took last night, I left earlier and got a 55 at the Gate to be on the safe side.
Yep the tracker does that. I remember standing by selly oak for the 63 to brum. The tracker would say 2 minutes then dissapear. It was only when a women told me buses weren't stopping there due to a burst water main that I was aware the bus was no longer using that stop
Asking for a friend at work.
He & another friend are going to St Andrews on Saturday.
With the recent changes in the area, is it the 60 that goes by there from City?
From this Saturday, Coventry Road is going to be completely closed on match days between Bordesley Circus and the junction of Cattell Road - for "approximately" one hour before kick off and around 45 minutes after the final whistle. This ,for safety reasons, must mean that the 60 and 17 will not be able to go past the ground any more at these times. I suppose the 97 to the Tilton Road stop is now the only option within that time frame.
As this will be the first time these changes will be in place I would expect a degree of confusion.
Good job I asked on here then, as I dont know the area personally, so I looked at the bus map.
Quote from: cardew on August 09, 2017, 04:26:08 PM
From this Saturday, Coventry Road is going to be completely closed on match days between Bordesley Circus and the junction of Cattell Road - for "approximately" one hour before kick off and around 45 minutes after the final whistle. This ,for safety reasons, must mean that the 60 and 17 will not be able to go past the ground any more at these times. I suppose the 97 to the Tilton Road stop is now the only option within that time frame.
As this will be the first time these changes will be in place I would expect a degree of confusion.
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2017, 05:25:47 PM
Good job I asked on here then, as I dont know the area personally, so I looked at the bus map.
You can still get the 17 and 60 to Bordesley Station stops and walk. Probably a ten minute walk at most.
As far as I'm aware, the 58, 59 and 60 were often diverted away from the ground on match-days before and after matches.
I'm not sure what diversion route towards city the 17 and 60 are going to use, as Golden Hillock Road is closed southbound at Poets Corner island on Small Heath Highway.
Quote from: cardew on August 09, 2017, 04:26:08 PM
From this Saturday, Coventry Road is going to be completely closed on match days between Bordesley Circus and the junction of Cattell Road - for "approximately" one hour before kick off and around 45 minutes after the final whistle. This ,for safety reasons, must mean that the 60 and 17 will not be able to go past the ground any more at these times. I suppose the 97 to the Tilton Road stop is now the only option within that time frame.
As this will be the first time these changes will be in place I would expect a degree of confusion.
I'm confused about this, I thought this was already the case since a long time ago.
4 of the reserve fleet Tridents are out on the 501 this weekend
Platinum buses are regulars on the X70 at weekends
First time I have ever noticed this happen, but during the school holidays the PVR on the Pershore Road is 18 and today the 18 buses on there are 4895-4912, all 18 branded E400s, not one is out of service or on the wrong route
Fairly noteworthy in my opinion. Nowadays most "Noteworthy" workings have already happened to an extent so it's usually a case of merely mentioning when it's happened again. I would imagine given how many vehicles are branded relative to the PVR of a route, this type of thing can only really happen during the Summer. It'd be quite the undertaking from AG to have all 3* branded Geminis on the 11 at once.
Why has my earlier comment been deleted?
It was a perfectly legitamate question?
I noticed that an X64 this evening still showing Limited Stop on the destination blinds.
Do they all still show this or was this just a mistake?
Quote from: sonic84 on September 02, 2017, 11:39:42 PM
I noticed that an X64 this evening still showing Limited Stop on the destination blinds.
Do they all still show this or was this just a mistake?
They all do - it's never been changed since it was re-routed via Edgbaston Park Road some months back.
Quote from: Mike K on September 02, 2017, 11:47:42 PM
They all do - it's never been changed since it was re-routed via Edgbaston Park Road some months back.
Is this just laziness or is the Edgebaston Park Rd diversion temporary? It's been 4 months now. I can't imagine it takes much to change some destination displays...
Saw two X1s near the Holiday Inn near the Airport today. One was a Platinum in the Lane 1, and the other was a red and white Enviro 400. A 49XX has been reported on the X1 today so it must have been that. I passed in the opposite direction and saw both buses literally side by side on the dual carriageway. It would have made a very good photo.
Reserve fleet 4183 out again this afternoon from BC, currently sat at Coleshill School
6827 was on Burney Lane in Ward End at about 16:00 this afternoon, comming from the direction of Alum Rock and it then went down Station Road down to Stechford Retail Park.
Its quite unusual to see a platinum there, does anyone know what it was doing?
Quick question regards Trident 4186 - I have that one withdrawn at MS but on the main fleet list it is still active at BC. Have gone that one wrong?
While I'm at it - this should be the breakdown of vehicle types at BC taking into account 4183/4439 (I assume 4181 is a garage reserve but at BC) :
32 B7RLE (2078-80/2124-52)
73 Trident (4148/66/72/76-77/79/83/85; 4384-85; 4439-49/55-74; 4594-96; 4606-34)
51 E400 (4871-80/95-913/928-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
30 E400MMC (6825-54)
___
204
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 18, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Quick question regards Trident 4186 - I have that one withdrawn at MS but on the main fleet list it is still active at BC. Have gone that one wrong?
While I'm at it - this should be the breakdown of vehicle types at BC taking into account 4183/4439 (I assume 4181 is a garage reserve but at BC) :
32 B7RLE (2078-80/2124-52)
73 Trident (4148/66/72/76-77/79/83/85; 4384-85; 4439-49/55-74; 4594-96; 4606-34)
51 E400 (4871-80/95-913/928-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
30 E400MMC (6825-54)
___
204
You're correct on 4186, I need to correct the fleet list
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2017, 09:23:20 PM
You're correct on 4186, I need to correct the fleet list
I assumed it had been withdrawn - after a pic appeared on Flickr of it looking rather derelict.
Has the 98 route changed? I've noticed that it doesn't include Rednal or Longbridge on the display anymore.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 19, 2017, 05:07:21 PM
Has the 98 route changed? I've noticed that it doesn't include Rednal or Longbridge on the display anymore.
No. It's probably the tweaking of the destination displays again. I saw 2124 on the X64 yesterday finally not showing 'Limited Stop'. Come to think of it the only thing it was showing was 'via QE Hospital' so I wonder if the display was stuck.
Quote from: Mike K on September 19, 2017, 07:24:40 PM
No. It's probably the tweaking of the destination displays again. I saw 2124 on the X64 yesterday finally not showing 'Limited Stop'. Come to think of it the only thing it was showing was 'via QE Hospital' so I wonder if the display was stuck.
No I've seen the odd one that doesn't, most still display Limited Stop though.
New Stickers gone up on some enviros advertising the new £3 Local Daysaver, they literally cover most of the window.
yeah they have them on the 97 branded buses
Quote from: V89MOA on September 22, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
New Stickers gone up on some enviros advertising the new £3 Local Daysaver, they literally cover most of the window.
Some of the Pershore Road branded E400s have got them
Quote from: V89MOA on September 22, 2017, 04:44:16 PM
New Stickers gone up on some enviros advertising the new £3 Local Daysaver, they literally cover most of the window.
I have just seen a picture of it on an Enviro 400. Has NX forgotten the purpose of a window? ::) Why so massive? I don't normally criticise NX like some others do, but this is just unbelievable.
Does anyone know where the 24 is being diverted tomorrow?
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2017, 08:09:08 PM
Does anyone know where the 24 is being diverted tomorrow?
I can't work that one out either. The NWWM site suggests that the first stop from city will be Court Oak Road / West Boulevard but the entire route after Harborne seems completely encircled by the velo route.
Farcical! With the amount of disruptions which will imminently ensue, perhaps all bus operators should operate a Christmas service. (i.e. No buses at all) ;) lmao
But in all seriousness, I've only seen notices on bus stops notifying people of the closure for Sunday's event; I haven't seen any mentions on where the closest bus stop would be - let alone the diversions. My mate lives in Weoley Castle; he's told me that there's signs instructing the residents that they'd be unable to leave their homes until around midday.
Whilst it is for a worthwhile cause, the sheer scale of it does make it a complete pain in the backside. If you're a bus user on much of the west side of the city you can forget it. Even for people with their own transport, we've had to leave one of our cars a few roads away so that we can take our kids to weekend activities etc. If we hadn't, we can't get out of our road all day.
So it appears the 80/A, 98 and (X)64 will be diverted into town from Five Ways onwards in about a week's time. An inspector came on the bus today and asked for opinions on the two possible diversions. I voted for opinion 1 down Broad Street as it'd follow the 29 and it would avoid Bristol Road traffic.
With this latest amendment to the X64 due to roadworks, it got me thinking, since it was re-routed from Bristol Road via Bath Row and the University, hasn't reliability taken a severe turn for the worse?
I appreciate the reasons for the change with the 99 being withdrawn, but Bath Row into city has been a terrible congestion black spot for ages, and Wheeleys Road / Edgbaston Park Road have been diabolical of late. Can't help but think that people commuting in from Lodge Hill, Weoley, Bangham Pit etc must now be back to square one with journey times on a par with the old 21 that the original 'Express' X64 replaced.
I'd love to see proof that anybody actually asked for the X64 replacement in the first place...
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 05, 2017, 06:18:49 AM
I'd love to see proof that anybody actually asked for the X64 replacement in the first place...
Or the loss of the 62, I know several people who live in Rednal who were not happy at the introduction of the 98 with its twists and turns, compared to the direct 62.
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 06, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
Or the loss of the 62, I know several people who live in Rednal who were not happy at the introduction of the 98 with its twists and turns, compared to the direct 62.
I know several people who wish they had a more direct bus from their particular road to the city centre, or a direct service to other local areas they currently have to change buses to get to
So be it
Can't have direct services everywhere
4943 was on Bordesley Green East passing Stechford Police Station going towards Chemsley Wood at about 17:00 this evening. Does anyone know what service this was going to start?
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
4943 was on Bordesley Green East passing Stechford Police Station going towards Chemsley Wood at about 17:00 this evening. Does anyone know what service this was going to start?
It wasn't going anywhere to start service, it was on the 97
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
It wasn't going anywhere to start service, it was on the 97
It definitley wasn't on the 97 when I saw it.
There was nobody but the driver on it, it was heading towards Chelmnsley Wood with Not In Service on the display.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
It definitley wasn't on the 97 when I saw it.
There was nobody but the driver on it, it was heading towards Chelmnsley Wood with Not In Service on the display.
Apologies, yes, it operated the 16:47 journey, but started it at 17:09 part route
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
Apologies, yes, it operated the 16:47 journey, but started it at 17:09 part route
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Kevin on October 06, 2017, 06:18:26 PM
I know several people who wish they had a more direct bus from their particular road to the city centre, or a direct service to other local areas they currently have to change buses to get to
So be it
Can't have direct services everywhere
I have some sympathy for the residents of Rednal, which had a direct service to the city for decades. The 98 takes nearly 20 minutes longer than the 63 between Longbridge and the city. I guess the demise of Rover and the Longbridge site, which stretched a long way down Lickey Road, didn't help the 62.
Still to this day I can't work out the point of breaking up the 61, 62 & 63.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 06, 2017, 11:20:30 PM
Still to this day I can't work out the point of breaking up the 61, 62 & 63.
While maybe the 62 was more direct, the new route 98 offers many more options for destinations other than the city which benefits residents round there. There was no city service via leach green lane previously and you had to get two buses to get to rubery morrisons. Now it's direct. Equally, if you wanted to go to the QE hospital you needed to change buses in selly oak whereas now it is a direct service there and to the uni campus. In those ways, the 98 is better than the 62. However, I think they could introduce an every half hour peak service x62 that went direct via selly oak to city. Maybe take out a couple of 63s and use those buses.
I agree. I like that the 98 connects south of selly oak with a lot more destinations. The only passengers to really lose out on a direct route are those between Longbridge Island and Rednal as the 62 didn't run any further.
Quote from: sonic84 on October 07, 2017, 10:10:23 AM
I agree. I like that the 98 connects south of selly oak with a lot more destinations. The only passengers to really lose out on a direct route are those between Longbridge Island and Rednal as the 62 didn't run any further.
The 62 actually ran up to by Leach Green Lane on Lickey Road, before that the 62 terminated behind what was the toilets by the old tram tracks that was opposite the Hare & Hounds Pub & the Penny Arcade if they are still there of course
@sonic84
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 07, 2017, 11:43:54 AM
The 62 actually ran up to by Leach Green Lane on Lickey Road, before that the 62 terminated behind what was the toilets by the old tram tracks that was opposite the Hare & Hounds Pub & the Penny Arcade if they are still there of course @sonic84
I used to love that terminus which we'd pass on days out to the Lickey Hills as a kid. Sadly, the cobblestones and tram track are long gone. The building remains, although much changed and now a restaurant. Here's what it looked like in the good old days:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/4604717595
The cobbles and tram tracks are still there
I've just driven past in 3225 ironically
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2017, 04:12:27 PM
The cobbles and tram tracks are still there
I've just driven past in 3225 ironically
Yup, you can see them on Streetview (http://"https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3841636,-2.0018866,3a,59y,205.42h,79.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swIRE8rTdLPFTrD1lOB_KKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656") just fine, outside what is now a Cantonese Restaurant, but that does appear to be the same building as what's seen on the Flickr link posted earler.
Quote from: DJ98 on October 07, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
Yup, you can see them on Streetview (http://"https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3841636,-2.0018866,3a,59y,205.42h,79.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swIRE8rTdLPFTrD1lOB_KKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656") just fine, outside what is now a Cantonese Restaurant, but that does appear to be the same building as what's seen on the Flickr link posted earler.
Your link doesn't work.
edit - found the working link -
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3841636,-2.0018866,3a,59y,204.95h,77.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swIRE8rTdLPFTrD1lOB_KKQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2017, 04:12:27 PM
The cobbles and tram tracks are still there
I've just driven past in 3225 ironically
My mistake then , I've not noticed them when I've driven past.
Quote from: Mike K on October 07, 2017, 06:39:36 PM
My mistake then , I've not noticed them when I've driven past.
They actually look like they have been tidied up and made into a feature of the restaurant.
When the junction near the new Bourneville college was under construction a few years back, the tram tracks were still present under the road there. I guess they are still along a lot of the Bristol Road but well buried under the road or in the verges.
Did a tram route also run to Rubery as the current 63 or was Longbridge as close as it got?
Quote from: j789 on October 07, 2017, 09:09:23 PM
Did a tram route also run to Rubery as the current 63 or was Longbridge as close as it got?
Yes - the Rubery tramway ran to the city boundary (Bristol Road South/Leach Green Lane junction) - which was the original 63 terminus when the trams were replaced in 1952. The Rednal service was number 70, the Rubery service was 71.
Believe it or not, the Rednal and Rubery services replaced motor bus routes that had started in 1913. The Bristol Road trams operated as far as Selly Oak in those days, and the motor bus services started from there, meeting the trams. Trams reached Rednal in 1924 and Rubery in 1926.
For a short time in 1914, Rubery was also reached - from Worcester - by buses of Worcestershire Motor Transport. This only lasted a few months as that service was absorbed by new Midland Red service 25 between Birmingham, Worcester and Malvern - later to become the 144.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on October 07, 2017, 09:37:41 PM
Yes - the Rubery tramway ran to the city boundary (Bristol Road South/Leach Green Lane junction) - which was the original 63 terminus when the trams were replaced in 1952. The Rednal service was number 70, the Rubery service was 71.
Believe it or not, the Rednal and Rubery services replaced motor bus routes that had started in 1913. The Bristol Road trams operated as far as Selly Oak in those days, and the motor bus services started from there, meeting the trams. Trams reached Rednal in 1924 and Rubery in 1926.
For a short time in 1914, Rubery was also reached - from Worcester - by buses of Worcestershire Motor Transport. This only lasted a few months as that service was absorbed by new Midland Red service 25 between Birmingham, Worcester and Malvern - later to become the 144.
I always find it amazing how much the world has changed in the last 100 years but these routes are pretty much the same today as they were then. The only difference is their vehicles were probably more reliable!!
Does anyone know what the fares on the A52 are?
Quote from: 2206 on October 08, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Does anyone know what the fares on the A52 are?
£2 my bf said who drives it
Quote from: Hayley1985 on October 09, 2017, 08:03:53 PM
£2 my bf said who drives it
Pretty sure you can get weekly passes and stuff too on the app, I remember seeing a section on there for it but I can't remember too much.
Saw a hybrid go past Quinton church towards Halesowen
4877 will be going in for repaint in the near future, so if anyone still needs a photograph get it quickly
4606 - 45/47
I couldn't find the correct place to ask but since it's within BC garage territory, I'll ask the question here
I spotted crimson red enviro400 with the display what seems showing 8C this morning around 3AM on Coventry Road near Heybarnes circus.
My description might not be correct since I was a quite bit far away when I saw this and I was tired at that time.
Could somebody provide details of this mystery bus?
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
I couldn't find the correct place to ask but since it's within BC garage territory, I'll ask the question here
I spotted crimson red enviro400 with the display what seems showing 8C this morning around 3AM on Coventry Road near Heybarnes circus.
My description might not be correct since I was a quite bit far away when I saw this and I was tired at that time.
Could somebody provide details of this mystery bus?
BC Staff Bus?
Quote from: John on October 18, 2017, 06:18:35 PM
BC Staff Bus?
That might be it. Do you know any pictures showing this?
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
That might be it. Do you know any pictures showing this?
No I haven't seen any pictures of it, but I have seen it. BC is on the nearside, in the same place as the route number, I imagine it could look like 8C from a distance or with a quick glance
Quote from: John on October 18, 2017, 06:18:35 PM
BC Staff Bus?
BC staff buses are almost always 21xx Volvos.
Some drivers running dead to garage will display 'Birmingham Central Garage' which just shows 'BC' on the back, so its more likely this.
Quote from: :D on October 18, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
I couldn't find the correct place to ask but since it's within BC garage territory, I'll ask the question here
I spotted crimson red enviro400 with the display what seems showing 8C this morning around 3AM on Coventry Road near Heybarnes circus.
My description might not be correct since I was a quite bit far away when I saw this and I was tired at that time.
Could somebody provide details of this mystery bus?
All 3 crimson E400s at BC are showing as 'safely tucked up in bed' at BC between 01:00 and 04:00 at BC yesterdY
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 19, 2017, 12:31:59 PM
BC staff buses are almost always 21xx Volvos.
Some drivers running dead to garage will display 'Birmingham Central Garage' which just shows 'BC' on the back, so its more likely this.
I did not see the back, just the front.
What I'm certain there was something in the route number slot which I recalled as 8C but as
@John has said, it's more likely BC. I've seen Birmingham Central Garage display a few times before, I'm almost sure it's not that.
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2017, 01:01:55 PM
All 3 crimson E400s at BC are showing as 'safely tucked up in bed' at BC between 01:00 and 04:00 at BC yesterdY
What about non-crimson E400s?
I realised that the bus had dark blue branding on a side of the bus near the destination display which probably means it was red/white livery instead of crimson.
It was pretty dark though. I do have a dashcam, I'll dig through footages and see what I can find.
Quote from: :D on October 19, 2017, 02:40:44 PM
I did not see the back, just the front.
What I'm certain there was something in the route number slot which I recalled as 8C but as @John has said, it's more likely BC. I've seen Birmingham Central Garage display a few times before, I'm almost sure it's not that.
What about non-crimson E400s?
I realised that the bus had dark blue branding on a side of the bus near the destination display which probably means it was red/white livery instead of crimson.
It was pretty dark though. I do have a dashcam, I'll dig through footages and see what I can find.
BC have too many red/white ones for me to check them all. Crimson was easy as there are only three.
Quote from: :D on October 19, 2017, 02:40:44 PM
I realised that the bus had dark blue branding on a side of the bus near the destination display which probably means it was red/white livery instead of crimson.
It was pretty dark though. I do have a dashcam, I'll dig through footages and see what I can find.
Probably one of the ex PB's. (4928-4939) they have black/blue branding.
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 19, 2017, 12:31:59 PM
BC staff buses are almost always 21xx Volvos.
Some drivers running dead to garage will display 'Birmingham Central Garage' which just shows 'BC' on the back, so its more likely this.
For a few weeks now the staff has been two single decks and an E400...
Not a fan of the b5lh repaint. Lost all its identity
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 20, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Not a fan of the b5lh repaint. Lost all its identity
I'm the opposite, I think it looks a lot nicer now, the Crimson livery really suits the newer Wright front ends, and their bodies overall too. I think it looks amazing on the Eclipse bodies, both the old and the new styles, but the B5LH isn't too far off. Once it gets an advert, I think it'll look amazing too, the only thing I don't like about it right now is that there's maybe a bit too much red around the middle.
Quote from: DJ98 on October 20, 2017, 11:16:06 PM
I'm the opposite, I think it looks a lot nicer now, the Crimson livery really suits the newer Wright front ends, and their bodies overall too. I think it looks amazing on the Eclipse bodies, both the old and the new styles, but the B5LH isn't too far off. Once it gets an advert, I think it'll look amazing too, the only thing I don't like about it right now is that there's maybe a bit too much red around the middle.
Seconded. Though I see where
@Trident 4194 is coming from; almost seems as if the Hybrids lacks the individuality/recognition of, well, being a Hybrid. I'm sure vinyls will soon fix that! Probably for the best that they keep the liveries basic, and uniform. I'm quite digging the newly repainted window surrounds, which the original 550* livery lacked. Wonder what the rear looks like!
Speaking of which, (probably one for the Oddities thread) 5503 is still missing its top rear window 'branding'; similarly, 5508 is missing its lower rear window branding. Don't suppose it'll matter now, lol.
These B5LHs with their irregular window size and layout look so much smarter with the black window surrounds - glad to see they've been applied here. Shame the standard Geminis don't have them too.
The 13 plate B5LHs have the black surrounds whereas the 61 plates have not. Nice to see they are having the black painted on. Looks great in the new livery
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 20, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
Not a fan of the b5lh repaint. Lost all its identity
I agree in a way. It just looks like any other standard Gemini now, hopefully it gets Hybrid stickers applied like the Hybrids in London.
Just noticed that 5502 has retained its original lower panels, whilst other repainted Geminis and the B7RLEs have had them replaced by plain panels without the groove / skirt that follows the contour of the bumper. Any reason for this?
The original panels do look smarter in my opinion.
the new livery on the B5LHs look smarter than the Geminis
5502 on 22/23 today if anyone wants it, 22s outbound and 23s inbound to City I think.
What's happening with the seat trim on the repainted hybrids.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 27, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
5502 on 22/23 today if anyone wants it, 22s outbound and 23s inbound to City I think.
Just seen it on a 22 out of city. Still looks wrong in my opinion. Smart yes, but so was the green.
4945 displaying 29 - Northfield tonight with Five Ways, Harborne and Weoley Castle scrolling underneath. It's happened before but not for a while. A sign that the curtailing to Northfield is happening?
how come a X2 came down past the swan and down to the yew tree and turned left by the yewtree post office and carried on down? came some one tell me please
Quote from: Jordan on November 04, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
how come a X2 came down past the swan and down to the yew tree and turned left by the yewtree post office and carried on down? came some one tell me please
Lode Lane closed due to RTC
okay then thanks tony
Twice recently I've been on a 29 where it's carried on down Northfield Road instead of turning right down Quinton Road, having to turn back on itself after realising the mistake. New drivers or something?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
Twice recently I've been on a 29 where it's carried on down Northfield Road instead of turning right down Quinton Road, having to turn back on itself after realising the mistake. New drivers or something?
when?
Quote from: Tony on November 05, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
when?
Can't remember when exactly the other occasion was but today around an hour ago maybe.
EDIT: The 12:49 bus from Weoley Castle Square.
The 29 is on the same rota as the 22/23 these days so maybe the driver forgot which he was on. Did it turn round at the War Lane / Fellows Lane roundabout?
Quote from: Mike K on November 05, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
The 29 is on the same rota as the 22/23 these days so maybe the driver forgot which he was on. Did it turn round at the War Lane / Fellows Lane roundabout?
Yeah it did, there's nowhere else he can turn before that. I understand that but unless they're new they' should be able to cope?
Also why does the 29 and X64 both leave Weoley Castle Square at exactly the same time during the day on a Sunday? Coincidence most likely but it's slightly frustrating.
Are there any plans in the pipeline for Harborne services to revert to their original line of route out of town (Colmore Row, Great Charles St) or is the route via New St station a permanent arrangement? I ask because the time taken for buses to get round town, once you've factored in evening peak driver change over, is frankly ridiculous. I get that the current route creates some useful connections but on a group of services that already suffers enormous delays and absurd journey times, they can ill afford to lose that much time looping the city centre.
I boarded 5518 at 17.26 on Livery St this evening, and it finally got round Holloway Circus at 17.54. In future I'll be walking to Broad St to catch it by the ICC.
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
Are there any plans in the pipeline for Harborne services to revert to their original line of route out of town (Colmore Row, Great Charles St) or is the route via New St station a permanent arrangement? I ask because the time taken for buses to get round town, once you've factored in evening peak driver change over, is frankly ridiculous. I get that the current route creates some useful connections but on a group of services that already suffers enormous delays and absurd journey times, they can ill afford to lose that much time looping the city centre.
I boarded 5518 at 17.26 on Livery St this evening, and it finally got round Holloway Circus at 17.54. In future I'll be walking to Broad St to catch it by the ICC.
The City loop has encouraged passenger growth, it's a long walk from Smallbrook Queensway to Colmore Row. The reason for the new buses on the Harborne Corridor is a deal between Birmingham Council and NXWM to provide some Bus Lanes on Harborne Road to speed up the journey times.
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2017, 06:16:57 PM
The City loop has encouraged passenger growth, it's a long walk from Smallbrook Queensway to Colmore Row. The reason for the new buses on the Harborne Corridor is a deal between Birmingham Council and NXWM to provide some Bus Lanes on Harborne Road to speed up the journey times.
I do get that it provides valuable connections but Holloway Circus is a nightmare at the moment, something needs to be done to try to address traffic flows and priorities for traffic emerging from Smallbrook Queensway. Look forward to seeing new bus lanes on Harborne Road.
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2017, 06:16:57 PM
The City loop has encouraged passenger growth, it's a long walk from Smallbrook Queensway to Colmore Row.
Strange that, passengers actually wanting to go across town on the same bus rather than walking from one route across town to another just to travel just three stops
*cough* 66 *cough* cross city *cough*
Quote from: Kevin on November 07, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
Strange that, passengers actually wanting to go across town on the same bus rather than walking from one route across town to another just to travel just three stops
*cough* 66 *cough* cross city *cough*
Whenever I use the 22 there are always passenger who've come into the City Centre on the 22 wanting to go to the other side of Town.
For example it's a long walk from the Markets to Colmore Row, the 22 provides better access for passengers wanting to go to the Markets area of the City as they can get the 22 to Smallbrook Queensway and can then use the stairs/lift down to the Markets.
Quote from: 2206 on November 07, 2017, 07:38:49 PM
Whenever I use the 22 there are always passenger who've come into the City Centre on the 22 wanting to go to the other side of Town.
For example it's a long walk from the Markets to Colmore Row, the 22 provides better access for passengers wanting to go to the Markets area of the City as they can get the 22 to Smallbrook Queensway and can then use the stairs/lift down to the Markets.
I think it depends on when you use it. In the rush hour coming into town, a lot of people get off at the ICC and by the time it gets to Livery Street it's largely emptied. I'm sure at other times people are continuing to the Bull Ring, Grand Central, New St and the markets.
Quote from: Kevin on November 07, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
Strange that, passengers actually wanting to go across town on the same bus rather than walking from one route across town to another just to travel just three stops
*cough* 66 *cough* cross city *cough*
Isn't that the point of the 16? Just get off on Priory Queensway and jump on the 16. The 16 is the best loop around the City, has been for years.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
Isn't that the point of the 16? Just get off on Priory Queensway and jump on the 16. The 16 is the best loop around the City, has been for years.
Agreed
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 07, 2017, 08:28:13 PM
Agreed
I do think more services should do a loop. Especially those on Colmore Row. I'd like the 7 and 101 (possibly the 46) do a loop a round like the 16. I think it's handy for people. Like the 82/87, the new 80/A loop is quite good.
It means no buses are shoved at Colmore Row all the time.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2017, 08:31:00 PM
I do think more services should do a loop. Especially those on Colmore Row. I'd like the 7 and 101 (possibly the 46) do a loop a round like the 16. I think it's handy for people. Like the 82/87, the new 80/A loop is quite good.
I agree, its probably handy for less-abled people. However on the other hand, I once got off an X1 at Moor Street, waited a couple of minutes for an 87, then caught that to Colmore Row to connect with the 120. But for me, it was no quicker than just walking.
If there are going to be more 'loops', some that work in the opposite direction would be more handy. For example, for my reverse journey, there is currently no bus from Colmore Row back round to Moor Street. (Apart from changing on Broad Street onto a 22/23/24/29).
But the city centre (and the gap between interchanges) isn't as big as some people think it is. Maybe in another 20 years when I am less able-bodied, I might be more concerned. And by then, who knows how much the city centre layout will have changed?
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
I agree, its probably handy for less-abled people. However on the other hand, I once got off an X1 at Moor Street, waited a couple of minutes for an 87, then caught that to Colmore Row to connect with the 120. But for me, it was no quicker than just walking.
If there are going to be more 'loops', some that work in the opposite direction would be more handy. For example, for my reverse journey, there is currently no bus from Colmore Row back round to Moor Street. (Apart from changing on Broad Street onto a 22/23/24/29).
But the city centre (and the gap between interchanges) isn't as big as some people think it is. Maybe in another 20 years when I am less able-bodied, I might be more concerned. And by then, who knows how much the city centre layout will have changed?
There is a bus from Colmore Row to Moor Street, catch the 22, etc from the Livery Street stop which is right next to Snow Hill Station and get of on Moor Street. No need to change at Broad Street.
Quote from: 2206 on November 07, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
There is a bus from Colmore Row to Moor Street, catch the 22, etc from the Livery Street stop which is right next to Snow Hill Station and get of on Moor Street. No need to change at Broad Street.
What do you mean the 22? Have you forgotten about the 23/24/29. All of them go there.
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2017, 08:44:02 PM
I agree, its probably handy for less-abled people. However on the other hand, I once got off an X1 at Moor Street, waited a couple of minutes for an 87, then caught that to Colmore Row to connect with the 120. But for me, it was no quicker than just walking.
If there are going to be more 'loops', some that work in the opposite direction would be more handy. For example, for my reverse journey, there is currently no bus from Colmore Row back round to Moor Street. (Apart from changing on Broad Street onto a 22/23/24/29).
But the city centre (and the gap between interchanges) isn't as big as some people think it is. Maybe in another 20 years when I am less able-bodied, I might be more concerned. And by then, who knows how much the city centre layout will have changed?
I only said Colmore Row as it feels like your halfway out of the city. Pretty much every route that served Corporation Street did a loop. Saying that, i think the tram extension was daft. People who live in the south had their buses moved to different parts of city for the tram that doesn't even serve them. The City Centre is fine as it is in my opinion, it was just as bad in 2012 when they closed off Corporation Street. I do think that Lane from Digbeth onto Moat Lane at the gyratory should be reopened to traffic. Ever since it closed there is so much congestion in the right hand lane for Rea Street and it causes delays to the 2/3/5/31/35/50. Not only that but I see so many cars zig-zag around the bollards!
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2017, 09:13:51 PM
What do you mean the 22? Have you forgotten about the 23/24/29. All of them go there.
I only said Colmore Row as it feels like your halfway out of the city. Pretty much every route that served Corporation Street did a loop. Saying that, i think the tram extension was daft. People who live in the south had their buses moved to different parts of city for the tram that doesn't even serve them. The City Centre is fine as it is in my opinion, it was just as bad in 2012 when they closed off Corporation Street. I do think that Lane from Digbeth onto Moat Lane at the gyratory should be reopened to traffic. Ever since it closed there is so much congestion in the right hand lane for Rea Street and it causes delays to the 2/3/5/31/35/50. Not only that but I see so many cars zig-zag around the bollards!
Slightly off topic but I agree with you there, I always thought that part of the point of the tram extension was to link Snow Hill & New Street being as no bus service could. Now by the time you walk to the tram stop from Snow Hill, you might as well have walked to New Street.
It's a shame that a bus service couldn't link all three stations in Birmingham.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 07, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
Slightly off topic but I agree with you there, I always thought that part of the point of the tram extension was to link Snow Hill & New Street being as no bus service could. Now by the time you walk to the tram stop from Snow Hill, you might as well have walked to New Street.
It's a shame that a bus service couldn't link all three stations in Birmingham.
The 16 served all three of them. Just a short walk from Snow Hill.
And yet all the confusion that happened in 2012 was just terrible.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2017, 09:13:51 PM
What do you mean the 22? Have you forgotten about the 23/24/29. All of them go there.
I only said Colmore Row as it feels like your halfway out of the city. Pretty much every route that served Corporation Street did a loop. Saying that, i think the tram extension was daft. People who live in the south had their buses moved to different parts of city for the tram that doesn't even serve them. The City Centre is fine as it is in my opinion, it was just as bad in 2012 when they closed off Corporation Street. I do think that Lane from Digbeth onto Moat Lane at the gyratory should be reopened to traffic. Ever since it closed there is so much congestion in the right hand lane for Rea Street and it causes delays to the 2/3/5/31/35/50. Not only that but I see so many cars zig-zag around the bollards!
No I haven't.
Etc means and the rest.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 07, 2017, 09:21:51 PM
Slightly off topic but I agree with you there, I always thought that part of the point of the tram extension was to link Snow Hill & New Street being as no bus service could. Now by the time you walk to the tram stop from Snow Hill, you might as well have walked to New Street.
It's a shame that a bus service couldn't link all three stations in Birmingham.
Surely that was the point of the Centrebus, which no one caught last time it ran.
(I know I tried it once & I was the only passenger!)
Quote from: Westy on November 07, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
Surely that was the point of the Centrebus, which no one caught last time it ran.
(I know I tried it once & I was the only passenger!)
Also more recently (mid noughties) we had the Stationlink. Free service(?) operated with Optare Solos. Used to always see them bunched up at New Street's drop off point near Smallbrook Queensway (or where the Taxis stop these days) from the window in the bridge connecting the Pallasades to Bullring
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3956/34120691656_d3a747c458_b.jpg
Quote from: CL on November 08, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Also more recently (mid noughties) we had the Stationlink. Free service(?) operated with Optare Solos. Used to always see them bunched up at New Street's drop off point near Smallbrook Queensway (or where the Taxis stop these days) from the window in the bridge connecting the Pallasades to Bullring
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3956/34120691656_d3a747c458_b.jpg
Shame no one used this as it was quite useful, however I suppose the majority found walking quicker than cueing in city traffic
Quote from: Lukeee on November 08, 2017, 10:46:18 PM
Shame no one used this as it was quite useful, however I suppose the majority found walking quicker than cueing in city traffic
Alas it's the contrast between no one using a free bus that just serves the stations in the city centre (notable when a chunk of the city centre was still open) and people now making use of buses that do all that and serve other important places ie Broad Street (22/3/4/9) and the markets (16)
Other parts of the expanding city centre (Aston Uni / Eastside) are crying out for something similar. Look at how many people get the 66 from town and get off before the ring road, or how many people are boarding buses at Aston Uni heading inbound
The X61 is the only bus that comes close to doing this with where it terminates, but I'd say something needs to do more than that, say extending out via Jennens Road, looping round Aston Uni campus to come back in via Lancaster Circus
Quote from: Kevin on November 09, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
Alas it's the contrast between no one using a free bus that just serves the stations in the city centre (notable when a chunk of the city centre was still open) and people now making use of buses that do all that and serve other important places ie Broad Street (22/3/4/9) and the markets (16)
Other parts of the expanding city centre (Aston Uni / Eastside) are crying out for something similar. Look at how many people get the 66 from town and get off before the ring road, or how many people are boarding buses at Aston Uni heading inbound
The X61 is the only bus that comes close to doing this with where it terminates, but I'd say something needs to do more than that, say extending out via Jennens Road, looping round Aston Uni campus to come back in via Lancaster Circus
That's where Manchester have done right with their metro shuttle services
Quote from: Kevin on November 09, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
Alas it's the contrast between no one using a free bus that just serves the stations in the city centre (notable when a chunk of the city centre was still open) and people now making use of buses that do all that and serve other important places ie Broad Street (22/3/4/9) and the markets (16)
Other parts of the expanding city centre (Aston Uni / Eastside) are crying out for something similar. Look at how many people get the 66 from town and get off before the ring road, or how many people are boarding buses at Aston Uni heading inbound
The X61 is the only bus that comes close to doing this with where it terminates, but I'd say something needs to do more than that, say extending out via Jennens Road, looping round Aston Uni campus to come back in via Lancaster Circus
The X61 on the extension is a waste of time. I've never seen more than one person one it. May as well share a Stop with the 63 on Carrs Lane.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 03:39:35 PM
The X61 on the extension is a waste of time. I've never seen more than one person one it. May as well share a Stop with the 63 on Carrs Lane.
And block the whole of the city up?
Under the AQPS only a certain amount of buses can use each stop per hour
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
And block the whole of the city up?
Under the AQPS only a certain amount of buses can use each stop per hour
Block the city up? Rubbish. The 61 served it and was fine, Carrs Lane is always full so it barely makes a difference. It makes sense sharing a terminus with the 63 as it would probably ease the workings out abit. The current terminus is abit pointless.
The same went for the 73, when it shared a Stop with the 17 it eased the 17 in the Peaks, then got shoved to Priory Queensway just to interwork with the 70.
The 50 Stop is awful, with 3 buses fighting to get to the stop with a 35 half in the road. No it's fine obviously.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
Block the city up? Rubbish. The 61 served it and was fine, Carrs Lane always full so it barely makes a difference. It makes sense sharing a terminus with the 63 as it would probably ease the workings out abit. The current terminus is abit pointless.
You've just contradicted yourself there, You have put Carrs lane is always full, so yes more buses stopping and changing drivers would block it up even more. and as I said the SQPS prohibits it
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
You've just contradicted yourself there, You have put Carrs lane is always full, so yes more buses stopping and changing drivers would block it up even more. and as I said the SQPS prohibits it
But was difference will it make with just 1 extra service going up there. The current city layout for buses is just cr*p. Those traffic lights at the top of Bull Street are a nuisance, sit on red for 5 minutes.
The Bull Street stops are a pain, the 907/X51 half the time can barely properly pull in at their Stop while the Unlimited Stop Services sit at there stop for 5 minutes laying over.
Prior to 22nd July 2012 everything was fine and worked well, now catching buses in the city is terrible.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 05:41:57 PM
But was difference will it make with just 1 extra service going up there. The current city layout for buses is just cr*p. Those traffic lights at the top of Bull Street are a nuisance, sit on red for 5 minutes.
The Bull Street stops are a pain, the 907/X51 half the time can barely properly pull in at their Stop while the Unlimited Stop Services sit at there stop for 5 minutes laying over.
Prior to 22nd July 2012 everything was fine and worked well, now catching buses in the city is terrible.
One extra bus makes a big difference. If the 63 stop is occupied and the X61 arrives that's Carrs Lane stopped and multiple other services delayed blocking Moor Street Queensway up.
The Bull Street lights don't sit on red for 5 minutes. Because of Tram priority it can be up to 3 minutes if a tram goes either way.
You are arguning against your original point again at point 3, moaning about having too many buses on stops in Bull Street, but seem to think it is alright for a route you want moved?
Have you had some of whatever 4194 drinks?
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 06:17:27 PM
One extra bus makes a big difference. If the 63 stop is occupied and the X61 arrives that's Carrs Lane stopped and multiple other services delayed blocking Moor Street Queensway up.
The Bull Street lights don't sit on red for 5 minutes. Because of Tram priority it can be up to 3 minutes if a tram goes either way.
You are arguning against your original point again at point 3, moaning about having too many buses on stops in Bull Street, but seem to think it is alright for a route you want moved?
Have you had some of whatever 4194 drinks?
No I haven't and don't plan to. It would make sense for the 907 to serve the 93* and 99* bus Stop and swap the 33/51/52/52A with the X51 Stop then buses wouldn't be blocking the road. What tram priority. So buses are selfishly going to career off the road and run into a moving tram. Crap, or better, move the unlimited Stop services back to Albert Street where they aren't blocking buses from Bus Stops. The Pershore Road/Bristol Road/Stratford Road buses will easily overtake them. At least the 97 has a lay-by.
People moaning about late buses in the City, don't blame them.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 06:27:50 PM
No I haven't and don't plan to. It would make sense for the 907 to serve the 93* and 99* bus Stop and swap the 33/51/52/52A with the X51 Stop then buses wouldn't be blocking the road. What tram priority. So buses are selfishly going to career off the road and run into a moving tram. Crap, or better, move the unlimited Stop services back to Albert Street where they aren't blocking buses from Bus Stops. The Pershore Road/Bristol Road/Stratford Road buses will easily overtake them. At least the 97 has a lay-by.
People moaning about late buses in the City, don't blame them.
Before you accuse me of posting crap get your facts right.
The Tram priority means that the lights turn green for a tram as soon as possible, as road vehicles can also be either infront or behind the tram and therefore coming out of the junction in front of buses to go up the side of the square peg. If you haven't realised the point of traffic lights is to stop conflicting movements. There's also a pedestrian phase for pedestrians to cross Bull Street.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 06:37:10 PM
Before you accuse me of posting crap get your facts right.
The Tram priority means that the lights turn green for a tram as soon as possible, as road vehicles can also be either infront or behind the tram and therefore coming out of the junction in front of buses to go up the side of the square peg. If you haven't realised the point of traffic lights is to stop conflicting movements. There's also a pedestrian phase for pedestrians to cross Bull Street.
The pedestrian phase is pointless. People just walk into the traffic like they have a death wish. Buses shouldn't have to wait 5 minutes for a tram to pass.
In my opinion, Birmingham needs more 'Bus only roads', like the road in Solihull, heading towards the town centre.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 06:43:59 PM
The pedestrian phase is pointless. People just walk into the traffic like they have a death wish. Buses shouldn't have to wait 5 minutes for a tram to pass.
In my opinion, Birmingham needs more 'Bus only roads', like the road in Solihull, heading towards the town centre.
Try telling someone who's blind pedestrian crossings are pointless. Buses don't have to wait 5 minutes for a tram to pass as I said in my original reply.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 06:47:06 PM
Try telling someone who's blind pedestrian crossings are pointless. Buses don't have to wait 5 minutes for a tram to pass as I said in my original reply.
The pedestrian crossing on Carrs Lane is another waste of time, it use to be a zebra crossing, of which was more safe.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 06:48:59 PM
The pedestrian crossing on Carrs Lane is another waste of time, it use to be a zebra crossing, of which was more safe.
So, you reckon a pedestrian crossing where pedestrians have right of way 100% of the time meaning buses do not move for several minutes at a time when there are lots of people crossing is good.
Oh wait a minute, no, another contradiction that's what you are moaning about 100m away.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
So, you reckon a pedestrian crossing where pedestrians have right of way 100% of the time meaning buses do not move for several minutes at a time when there are lots of people crossing is good.
Oh wait a minute, no, another contradiction that's what you are moaning about 100m away.
That crossing is misused most of the time anyway, zebra crossings are way safer.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 06:59:58 PM
zebra crossings are way safer.
OK, Mr know it all.
Statistics, and the traffic control experts who I work with will tell you differently.
What job do you do, what field do you have expertise in?
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 07:07:33 PM
OK, Mr know it all.
Statistics, and the traffic control experts who I work with will tell you differently.
What job do you do, what field do you have expertise in?
When I say zebra crossings are safer is was people wouldn't run infront of the bus, instead the buses would give way to pedestrians saving buses having to wait for the lights to go green. Oh and people won't run infront of incoming buses.
I never thought I would be compared to traffic control experts.
End of subject.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 07:12:14 PM
When I say zebra crossings are safer is was people wouldn't run infront of the bus, instead the buses would give way to pedestrians saving buses having to wait for the lights to go green. Oh and people won't run infront of incoming buses.
Prime example, have a look at the zebra crossing into Walsall Bus Station from Butlers Passage far more dangerous than a Pelican crossing as because you can have to wait ages due to large number of pedestrians you will regularly see vehicles (not buses) forcing their way through pedestrians crossing. Far more dangerous, especially for someone with poor eyesight who will walk across thinking they have right of way
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 07:15:38 PM
Prime example, have a look at the zebra crossing into Walsall Bus Station from Butlers Passage far more dangerous than a Pelican crossing as because you can have to wait ages due to large number of pedestrians you will regularly see vehicles (not buses) forcing their way through pedestrians crossing. Far more dangerous, especially for someone with poor eyesight who will walk across thinking they have right of way
Yes I know that one. But that's the drivers fault, impatience. I've seen Bus drivers force their way through it, usually the rude drivers that get put onto the 51 I see who do it.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 07:18:36 PM
Yes I know that one. But that's the bus drivers fault, impatience.
So why would Carrs Lane be any different?
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
So why would Carrs Lane be any different?
More busy and demanding and people don't have patience for the lights to change, traffic to stop etc.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 07:21:19 PM
More busy and demanding and people don't have patience for the lights to change, traffic to stop etc.
Exactly so how long do you think a bus would have to wait if all those people had right of way.
I've driven buses over that crossing when it was a zebra, you had to force your way through the pedestrians, very dangerous
Sod the zebra crossing. You can't win if there's a zebra crossing. There's always someone crossing, or someone about to cross. With the traffic light, you know where you stand (pardon the pun). The Scanias were good for that. If you ever spot a mere mortal about to cross, you sound the horn which will bounce of the surrounding buildings and royally sh*t that person up and low and behold, they'd let you pass. Ahh the puny horns on the MMCs are terrible in comparison.
Quote from: MW on November 09, 2017, 07:46:00 PM
Sod the zebra crossing. You can't win if there's a zebra crossing. There's always someone crossing, or someone about to cross. With the traffic light, you know where you stand (pardon the pun). The Scanias were good for that. If you ever spot a mere mortal about to cross, you sound the horn which will bounce of the surrounding buildings and royally sh*t that person up and low and behold, they'd let you pass. Ahh the puny horns on the MMCs are terrible in comparison.
The Omnilink horns are the best for making people jump.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
Exactly so how long do you think a bus would have to wait if all those people had right of way.
I've driven buses over that crossing when it was a zebra, you had to force your way through the pedestrians, very dangerous
Patience is what it's called.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 05:41:57 PM
Those traffic lights at the top of Bull Street are a nuisance, sit on red for 5 minutes.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Patience is what it's called.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 02, 2017, 12:21:52 AM
4945 displaying 29 - Northfield tonight with Five Ways, Harborne and Weoley Castle scrolling underneath. It's happened before but not for a while. A sign that the curtailing to Northfield is happening?
Just seen a B7RLE displaying the same thing!
4877 still wrapped; on the 24 today, if anyone still wants it. Can't imagine it has long left?
Where is it going ?
Quote from: Sayeed on November 14, 2017, 10:27:40 PM
It's going to be refurbed.
Whenever it expires and BC send it for Crimsoning.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 16, 2017, 08:19:23 PM
4183 has been on the 889 for the last three days. I have also seen an X61 branded Platinum going in the direction of Kingshurst Academy two afternoons this week, it was 6836 on Tuesday, but it doesn't appear to come back on the 889. Is there another route from there which does not come through Yardley?
94C.
Ward End, The Fox and Goose to John Henry Newman School - it serves Kingshurst Acadamy as well,
Usual afternoon allocation is E400 MMC Platinum. It then goes dead from the Fox and Goose to the Airport and onto the X1. X1/25.
@Eric Shaw
Thanks 2206, I will stop looking for it coming back through Yardley. 4183 was on the 889 again today.
Quote from: 2206 on November 16, 2017, 11:19:56 PM
94C.
Ward End, The Fox and Goose to John Henry Newman School - it serves Kingshurst Acadamy as well,
Usual afternoon allocation is E400 MMC Platinum. It then goes dead from the Fox and Goose to the Airport and onto the X1. X1/25.
@Eric Shaw
Also the 891 coleshill school bus.
4179 attached to tow truck in A38 layby south of Burton on Trent.
The light up LED Christmas ads are back. 4871 and 4872 sporting Bull Ring and Grand Central adverts, and another bus i saw had a light up 'Simply Be' advert
I've just photographed a couple in London
Newly transferred 4180 back on old ground today, It is on the 9E/829!
4180 now doing its first trip to Rugeley on the A52
4180 on the 889 this afternoon. They are certainly making use of it.
6855 in the yard at BC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6855.html
6853 is on the A52 today, on the Priory Queensway going towards Amazon at 16:00.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 05:29:17 PM
6853 is on the A52 today, on the Priory Queensway going towards Amazon at 17:00.
Doesn't the A52 get any bus in the garage?
6860 now joined the other 6 at BC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6860.html
Still hoping some go out in service Monday. At the moment only 6857 is completely ready, but there's a team of people working on the others
Has 6831 had its stop start removed? It hasn't gone off each of the times I've been on it now in the last few weeks on seperate occasions.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 02, 2017, 06:33:09 PM
Has 6831 had its stop start removed? It hasn't gone off each of the times I've been on it now in the last few weeks on seperate occasions.
I don't think it would be possible to remove the 'stop-start' without replacing the engine. I think its more a case of drivers knowing how to 'override' it, possibly by keeping their foot on the accelerator pedal while the handbrake is applied. (Which defeats the whole purpose of having stop-start technology in my opinion)
Certainly I've been on a number of buses that don't 'stop' while parked at a bus stop, while equally I've also been on buses that 'stop' while waiting in traffic queues or at red-lights.
Quote from: Stu on December 02, 2017, 07:22:05 PM
I don't think it would be possible to remove the 'stop-start' without replacing the engine. I think its more a case of drivers knowing how to 'override' it, possibly by keeping their foot on the accelerator pedal while the handbrake is applied. (Which defeats the whole purpose of having stop-start technology in my opinion)
Certainly I've been on a number of buses that don't 'stop' while parked at a bus stop, while equally I've also been on buses that 'stop' while waiting in traffic queues or at red-lights.
It was with different drivers both times, I know they aren't drivers that overrride it as I know of the ones that do, and it didn't sound like he was overriding it either.
New engine possibly? And yes I think 'stopping' in traffic/at traffic lights is a much better idea and will probably be much more effective at saving fuel. I believe they've done it to experiment, to see if it saves more fuel than the standard interlock stop-start. The ones I know of that have handbrake stop-start are 6847, 6849 and 6854.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 02, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
It was with different drivers both times, I know they aren't drivers that overrride it as I know of the ones that do, and it didn't sound like he was overriding it either.
New engine possibly? And yes I think 'stopping' in traffic/at traffic lights is a much better idea and will probably be much more effective at saving fuel. I believe they've done it to experiment, to see if it saves more fuel than the standard interlock stop-start. The ones I know of that have handbrake stop-start are 6847, 6849 and 6854.
6825 is one that start/stops at traffic lights.
Quote from: Jack on December 02, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
6825 is one that start/stops at traffic lights.
If it does now, it must've been changed recently as it definitely never used to because every time I've been on it in the past, it hasn't gone off at traffic lights, with the handbrake applied. Interesting.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 02, 2017, 09:40:07 PM
If it does now, it must've been changed recently as it definitely never used to because every time I've been on it in the past, it hasn't gone off at traffic lights, with the handbrake applied. Interesting.
Been doing it since August. When I caught it on the 60 it was doing it.
Engines don't always stop start. For example, if the windscreen de-misters are on in my car, it won't stop start. It only does it when there's not much strain on the engine.
The experiments were done on 2203/4. I expect all these Voith Platinums are the same.
Quote from: MW on December 02, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
Engines don't always stop start. For example, if the windscreen de-misters are on in my car, it won't stop start. It only does it when there's not much strain on the engine.
The experiments were done on 2203/4. I expect all these Voith Platinums are the same.
Indeed, if the technology is the same as in cars, a number of factors can influence whether stop start kicks in, another example is outside temperature - if it's too low the engine won't cut out.
Was 4875 the only Crimson E400 on the 24 yesterday? I wouldn't normally ask, but... ???
If it was, does now it carry the light-up Christmas advert for the Bullring?
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
Indeed, if the technology is the same as in cars, a number of factors can influence whether stop start kicks in, another example is outside temperature - if it's too low the engine won't cut out.
No, it's definitely not got it anymore. On it again right now on the X1 and it still hasn't gone off once all journey, or even attempted to go off, with yet again, another different driver, so it is obviously no coincidence.
Quote from: CL on December 03, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
Was 4875 the only Crimson E400 on the 24 yesterday? I wouldn't normally ask, but... ???
If it was, does now it carry the light-up Christmas advert for the Bullring?
4871 was also on the 24
Are any new hybrids going out today?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 04, 2017, 07:35:43 AM
Are any new hybrids going out today?
6857 is out on the 22/23
6855; 6856; 6857 & 6859 are all on the 22/23
Damn it! In an attempt to photograph the buses on their first day out in service, I appear to have failed miserably. I missed 6857 on the 22 heading Kitwell-bound, as I was on 2152 heading into town on the 29. My phone (amateur, lol) died the second 6855 turned the corner from Colmore Row, and the one after was also a Platinum (on the 23) - followed by a branded Hybrid on the 24. Perfect photo opportunity gone amiss! ::)
6859 which did a morning peak only board on the 22/23 is now back out again, but this time on the 24
6858 & 6860 both now come out to play, so 6 out for the evening peak; 6862 & 6863 also now delivered
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 03:07:15 PM
6858 & 6860 both now come out to play, so 6 out for the evening peak; 6862 & 6863 also now delivered
6860 is on 22S at the moment. Just left Balmoral Road, Harlech Close bus stop.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 04, 2017, 03:28:55 PM
6860 is on 22S at the moment. Just left Balmoral Road, Harlech Close bus stop.
Should stay out until after midnight doing a mix of 24s & 29s
My hopes of catching a first day in service Platinum were dashed by 4945 this morning and 4594 this evening - never mind, I guess we won't be seeing too many Tridents on the 22/23 from now on.
Glad people are enjoying the new buses, while once again there is overcrowding on the 29.
I'd have thought that all these platinums on the 22, 23 & 24 would free up some deckers but apparently not.
Then again I suppose it won't matter when the 29 is scrapped altogether
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
Glad people are enjoying the new buses, while once again there is overcrowding on the 29.
I'd have thought that all these platinums on the 22, 23 & 24 would free up some deckers but apparently not.
Then again I suppose it won't matter when the 29 is scrapped altogether
If you haven't noticed 6860 is doing some 29s today. It will next do the 20:00 then 23:30 from City
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
If you haven't noticed 6860 is doing some 29s today. It will next do the 20:00 then 23:30 from City
Well obviously not.
Interworking with the 24 in the evenings is the norm anyway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 06:14:14 PM
Well obviously not.
Interworking with the 24 in the evenings is the norm anyway.
So what's you moaning about? You wanted Double decks on the 29, NX have spent several million pounds buying a brand new fleet for the route, but your still not happy.
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
So what's you moaning about? You wanted Double decks on the 29, NX have spent several million pounds buying a brand new fleet for the route, but your still not happy.
Are you actually serious right now? I'm supposed to be pleased that the odd one appears on it in the late evening?
Aa for a new fleet for my route, as I said it won't matter when the 29 gets scrapped.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Are you actually serious right now? I'm supposed to be pleased that the odd one appears on it in the late evening?
Aa for a new fleet for my route, as I said it won't matter when the 29 gets scrapped.
Yes, what do you expect all 38 to magically appear? IF the 29 gets scrapped you will still have a bus service run by brand new platinum buses to Birmingham City Centre
Jesus. We've only got to 6860. 6861 - 92 have yet to even hit the road!!!
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 07:42:13 PM
Yes, what do you expect all 38 to magically appear? IF the 29 gets scrapped you will still have a bus service run by brand new platinum buses to Birmingham City Centre
You've completely missed my point. What I said was surely other compliant deckers were freed up today as they weren't on the 24 etc. Unless they've already left BC.
WHEN it's scrapped no we won't because nothing will directly replace it. The 23 and 24 don't cover this area.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Are you actually serious right now? I'm supposed to be pleased that the odd one appears on it in the late evening?
Aa for a new fleet for my route, as I said it won't matter when the 29 gets scrapped.
Once all 38 have arrived the 29 will be covered, just be happy you are getting a 5 year upgrade from the 12 plate b7s (you are moaning about 29 getting singles, get a X61 or 63 to Northfield and catch the quieter 29 from there where ever you live) ... I get Tridents with the odd platinum if I'm lucky. I am happy for a bus to turn up!
So quit your moaning or else you will be monkeyjoe mark 2 accept your current buses are only 5 years old and when the platinums arrive you will have the youngest of the whole fleet whilst monkeyjoe has Gemini's on the 94!
Quote from: Chris on December 04, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
Once all 38 have arrived the 29 will be covered, just be happy you are getting a 5 year upgrade from the 12 plate b7s (you are moaning about 29 getting singles, get a X61 or 63 to Northfield and catch the quieter 29 from there where ever you live) ... I get Tridents with the odd platinum if I'm lucky. I am happy for a bus to turn up!
So quit your moaning or else you will be monkeyjoe mark 2 accept your current buses are only 5 years old and when the platinums arrive you will have the youngest of the whole fleet whilst monkeyjoe has Gemini's on the 94!
I totally stand by my comments , this corridor getting another upgrade. If resources were distributed fairly I wouldn't have an issue. In my humble view they are not so I do.
Quote from: Chris on December 04, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
Once all 38 have arrived the 29 will be covered, just be happy you are getting a 5 year upgrade from the 12 plate b7s (you are moaning about 29 getting singles, get a X61 or 63 to Northfield and catch the quieter 29 from there where ever you live) ... I get Tridents with the odd platinum if I'm lucky. I am happy for a bus to turn up!
So quit your moaning or else you will be monkeyjoe mark 2 accept your current buses are only 5 years old and when the platinums arrive you will have the youngest of the whole fleet whilst monkeyjoe has Gemini's on the 94!
Doubtful as the 29 will probably be gone by the time they all arrive anyway. I don't live in Northfield so I can't get the 63 or X61. Yes I am moaning about the singles when they're getting overcrowded on a regular basis, wouldn't you?
I don't really know why he complains. The 94 is very regular and there's nothing wrong with Geminis. Give me a Gemini over a B7RLE anyday.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
Doubtful as the 29 will probably be gone by the time they all arrive anyway. I don't live in Northfield so I can't get the 63 or X61. Yes I am moaning about the singles when they're getting overcrowded on a regular basis, wouldn't you?
I don't really know why he complains. The 94 is very regular and there's nothing wrong with Geminis. Give me a Gemini over a B7RLE anyday.
Single deckers that won't be on there anymore in a week or 2. The 29 will still be operating once all the new buses have arrived, NX are still consulting people on the changes, so it'll be a while before they happen yet.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
I don't live in Northfield so I can't get the 63 or X61.
X64?
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 03, 2017, 06:12:21 PM
No, it's definitely not got it anymore. On it again right now on the X1 and it still hasn't gone off once all journey, or even attempted to go off, with yet again, another different driver, so it is obviously no coincidence.
Again, on 6831 now on the X2 and it hasn't gone off once for the whole journey with yet again another different driver. Doors were open for a while too but didn't even attempt to switch off. This has definitely not got stop start. Not taking any other answer.
Guessing at what will be leaving 2078-2080 2143-2152 all 41 tridents 4384/85 4928-39 & 4439.=38.
Quote from: pb2012 on December 06, 2017, 10:17:08 AM
Guessing at what will be leaving 2078-2080 2143-2152 all 41 tridents 4384/85 4928-39 & 4439.=38.
I think 4880 will transfer to Coventry as well.
6852 is another one that now goes off without the doors having to be open and at traffic lights etc.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 05, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
Again, on 6831 now on the X2 and it hasn't gone off once for the whole journey with yet again another different driver. Doors were open for a while too but didn't even attempt to switch off. This has definitely not got stop start. Not taking any other answer.
You've said you won't take any other answer, but I'll give you mine and if you want, you can ignore it.
As far as I understand, 6759-6854 all have Voith DIWA.6 gearboxes which include Stop Start technology. 2201-2250 also have DIWA.6 gearboxes. Stop start can be disabled through the ECU. (I'm not sure if there's a physical button in the cab that can disable it like there is in cars), and also will not enable in certain scenarios. There may be a fault on some of these buses, or the system is being bypassed by the driver. It won't be a case of some buses in the batch don't have it. They're all identical.
Maybe
@Tony can give some clarity on the subject
Quote from: MW on December 06, 2017, 04:51:41 PM
You've said you won't take any other answer, but I'll give you mine and if you want, you can ignore it.
As far as I understand, 6759-6854 all have Voith DIWA.6 gearboxes which include Stop Start technology. 2201-2250 also have DIWA.6 gearboxes. Stop start can be disabled through the ECU. (I'm not sure if there's a physical button in the cab that can disable it like there is in cars), and also will not enable in certain scenarios. There may be a fault on some of these buses, or the system is being bypassed by the driver. It won't be a case of some buses in the batch don't have it. They're all identical.
Maybe @Tony can give some clarity on the subject
6831 & 6832 currently have it disabled
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
6831 & 6832 currently have it disabled
Thanks for that confirmation.
And there we have it guys. A conclusion. They all have the technology but 6831/2 are disabled.
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
6831 & 6832 currently have it disabled
Any particular reason for this? Perhaps for a fuel economy or battery performance comparison?
(For those not in the know, stop-start systems put more strain on the battery, as the starter motor is used more frequently)
2151 sounded horrible earlier, making quite a rattling sound.
Quote from: Stu on December 06, 2017, 06:54:38 PM
Any particular reason for this? Perhaps for a fuel economy or battery performance comparison?
(For those not in the know, stop-start systems put more strain on the battery, as the starter motor is used more frequently)
I wondered that myself.
Quote from: JoNi on December 08, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
Crimson 4875 on X1
@JoNi Where and What time did you see 4875? :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on December 08, 2017, 08:55:06 AM
@JoNi Where and What time did you see 4875? :)
Left Coventry 0840
A 213X B7RLE is on the 97.
6880 the highest numbered bus so far delivered to BC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6880.html
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2017, 02:16:55 PM
6880 the highest numbered bus so far delivered to BC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6880.html
Here's a unbranded 6881 @ ADL:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70333100@N08/27187384369/in/dateposted/
Plus another:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70333100@N08/24099998967/in/dateposted/
4878 > X2
Posted here as E400's are the other allocation :)
Absolutely rammed 29 skipping the Five Ways stop full of people waiting to get on...
Followed by a crammed 24 Hybrid doing the same.
What's up at Colmore Circus? There's a convoy of Platinums and a Hybrid (5516) parked up 'Not in Service'. So much so that there was no space at all in the layby; 6856 had to park on the Police HQ's doorstep, and another was parked up at the 16/74 bus stop not too further down.
In order, it was
(UID MMC at Priory Queensway), 6870, 6876, 5516, 6877, 6866, 6856
Also, every outbound 22/23/29 that I've seen today has been terminating at Barnes Hill
EDIT: just read the Snow thread. That explains it. Also, in regards to the 24, I've seen a few display Woodgate Valley, so I assume it's running the full route? 4444 did display 24E
Quote from: CL on December 15, 2017, 12:14:11 PM
What's up at Colmore Circus? There's a convoy of Platinums and a Hybrid (5516) parked up 'Not in Service'. So much so that there was no space at all in the layby; 6856 had to park on the Police HQ's doorstep, and another was parked up at the 16/74 bus stop not too further down.
In order, it was
(UID MMC at Priory Queensway), 6870, 6876, 5516, 6877, 6866, 6856
Also, every outbound 22/23/29 that I've seen today has been terminating at Barnes Hill.
Nothing is up at Colmore Circus, problem will be drivers needing to take legal breaks after beeing stuck on icy road earlier
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2017, 12:16:27 PM
Nothing is up at Colmore Circus, problem will be drivers needing to take legal breaks after beeing stuck on icy road earlier
Ah, so I see. Thanks for the reply. Mind you, got some good photos of the buses there; did look a tad hectic, though.
Quote from: CL on December 15, 2017, 12:18:37 PM
Ah, so I see. Thanks for the reply. Mind you, got some good photos of the buses there; did look a tad hectic, though.
For instance 6866 is 1h51m late there!
I see a few of the Hybrids have moved over onto the 63 today, will they be route branded as such eventually?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 15, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
I see a few of the Hybrids have moved over onto the 63 today, will they be route branded as such eventually?
Maybe once they've been Crimsoned. I'll imagine they'll have 'next stop' announcements as well.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
6860 - 29
@MasterPlan considering these new Platinums are for the 22/23/24/29 services, how is this noteworthy or unusual?
Quote from: Stu on December 17, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
@MasterPlan considering these new Platinums are for the 22/23/24/29 services, how is this noteworthy or unusual?
Not to mention, don't the 24/9 have a varied allocation so BC can effectively send anything on them.
I would have thought they would start to debrand the Hybrinds. Plenty on the 63 showing 'Harborne - Edgbaston - Five Ways'
Quote from: Stu on December 17, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
@MasterPlan considering these new Platinums are for the 22/23/24/29 services, how is this noteworthy or unusual?
Thankyou. Not noteworthy at all.
6856 on one of BC's morning 9s. Let's hope the average punter doesn't get their hopes up with the new amenities. ;)
6855 seems to be making an odd whiring sound.
4871 is in Crimson and is as with 4872 a spare for a platinum
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 21, 2017, 04:43:23 PM
4871 is in Crimson and is as with 4872 a spare for a platinum
4871/2/5 don't really go onto the X1/X2 that much since the '66' plate Platniums arrived at BC. They go anywhere and everywhere.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2017, 04:49:22 PM
4871/2/5 don't really go onto the X1/X2 that much since the '66' plate Platniums arrived at BC. They go anywhere and everywhere.
I've seen them used on the X61
Bound to happen more often now I suppose, but 6854 on the 22. Only noting as it's one of the 2016 batch.
Bound to happen more often now I suppose, but 6854 on the 22. Only noting as it's one of the 2016 batch.
Yes noted 6853 Thursday during my spell it was on the 22.
How come the 24 doesn't have the scrolling display like the others on the platinums? I'm sure it did before.
5516 has been de-branded, apart from the red stripe. Looks in a bit of a state
Quote from: John on December 29, 2017, 05:25:55 PM
5516 has been de-branded, apart from the red stripe. Looks in a bit of a state
They're all being done this weekend. They will take priority in the paint shop in the new year
Quote from: John on December 29, 2017, 05:25:55 PM
5516 has been de-branded, apart from the red stripe. Looks in a bit of a state
I saw a few of these today including 5511, they seemed to have retained the red vinyl around the destination display and under the windscreen for the time being too. They still look oddly out of place on the 63 at the moment.
Quote from: Mike K on December 30, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
I saw a few of these today including 5511, they seemed to have retained the red vinyl around the destination display and under the windscreen for the time being too. They still look oddly out of place on the 63 at the moment.
I also agree here but the crimson B5s look more at "home" if you will.
I keep having to think, this is not a noteworthy working and the bus isn't "off route" ! I would have thought, the buses would have been de-branded prior to the arrival of the new buses, not when everything as been delivered although having said that, seeing as they are currently in the process of being repainted, I would think they'd be doing it then anyway.
I'm currently on 6892 on the 23 so looks like the whole batch may now be in service.
Only one half of the upstairs lights are working so it's very dark up here.
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2018, 08:25:49 AM
I'm currently on 6892 on the 23 so looks like the whole batch may now be in service.
Only one half of the upstairs lights are working so it's very dark up here.
It's not that half of the lights aren't working. On the MMCs, when you switch the engine off and leave the electrics on, one row of lights switches off to save on battery power. Then when you restart the bus, those lights remain off and you have to manually switch them on from a button in the cab.
Quote from: MW on January 02, 2018, 08:48:28 AM
It's not that half of the lights aren't working. On the MMCs, when you switch the engine off and leave the electrics on, one row of lights switches off to save on battery power. Then when you restart the bus, those lights remain off and you have to manually switch them on from a button in the cab.
They also sometimes go off with the stop start on ours. If you start it up straight after it turns off I find
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2018, 08:25:49 AM
I'm currently on 6892 on the 23 so looks like the whole batch may now be in service.
Only one half of the upstairs lights are working so it's very dark up here.
The driver only switched one row of the lights on, pretty much common on all buses
Quote from: John on January 02, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
They also sometimes go off with the stop start on ours. If you start it up straight after it turns off I find
Some of them flash when they stop/start. 6800/6803/6809/6811/6819/6824 are some of them that flash.
Quote from: Jack on January 02, 2018, 10:09:21 AM
The driver only switched one row of the lights on, pretty much common on all buses
Some of them flash when they stop/start. 6800/6803/6809/6811/6819/6824 are some of them that flash.
When you start a car which already has it lights on, you'll notice the lights flicker whilst the starter motor is in motion. That must be why they flash?
Quote from: MW on January 02, 2018, 10:36:19 AM
When you start a car which already has it lights on, you'll notice the lights flicker whilst the starter motor is in motion. That must be why they flash?
That must be why. One of PB's Platniums interior lights flicker why the stop/start takes place, think it's 6797.
Quote from: Jack on January 02, 2018, 10:09:21 AM
The driver only switched one row of the lights on, pretty much common on all buses
Some of them flash when they stop/start. 6800/6803/6809/6811/6819/6824 are some of them that flash.
It's not common on the B5s on which I'm used to travelling.
They came on later in the journey. I've no idea how all this works but they seemed to come on automatically when the engine re-started on pulling away from a stop. They stayed on for the remainder of my journey, including when the engine switched off.
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2018, 10:48:24 AM
It's not common on the B5s on which I'm used to travelling.
They came on later in the journey. I've no idea how all this works but they seemed to come on automatically when the engine re-started on pulling away from a stop. They stayed on for the remainder of my journey, including when the engine switched off.
The B5's have a more smoother Stop/start, compared to the MMC's. The MMC's is just firm and horrible, 2203/4 both flashed their lights on and off when they had the terrible Stop/start.
Seen ticket inspectors on the way home this evening. First time in ages I've seen them on the Harborne routes. Has there been a rise in fare dodging since the platinums?
Has the hybrids even ventured into Coventry Road bus corridor?
Also, I've noticed 4629 has a dashcam that films interior as well as outside. Is it new?
Quote from: :D on January 07, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Has the hybrids even ventured into Coventry Road bus corridor?
Also, I've noticed 4629 has a dashcam that films interior as well as outside. Is it new?
Every bus in the fleet has those dashcams
Quote from: :D on January 07, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Has the hybrids even ventured into Coventry Road bus corridor?
They've strayed onto the 60 a few times.
Quote from: :D on January 07, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Has the hybrids even ventured into Coventry Road bus corridor?
5503, 5507, 5508 and 5513 are 4 of them that have appeared on the 60 5503 being the latest one I've witnessed. Also at least 2 have appeared on the 957 (now X2) in the past I think 5509 was one but can't say for sure :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on January 07, 2018, 08:09:25 PM
5503, 5507, 5508 and 5513 are 4 of them that have appeared on the 60 5503 being the latest one I've witnessed. Also at least 2 have appeared on the 957 (now X2) in the past I think 5509 was one but can't say for sure :)
A good few have done the 97 during the last few years.
5518 got set on fire on 63 route tonight on Ormond road, repairable by the sounds of it but still! :(
5510 sent to Walsall tonight for paint
Quote from: Hayley1985 on January 08, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
5518 got set on fire on 63 route tonight on Ormond road, repairable by the sounds of it but still! :(
5510 sent to Walsall tonight for paint
Alas, these B5s had managed to remain in such excellent condition internally up until now.
Quote from: Mike K on January 08, 2018, 11:24:12 PM
Alas, these B5s had managed to remain in such excellent condition internally up until now.
Bring the Tridents back from Pensnett? :D
pics of the fire on 5518 https://twitter.com/Northfieldfire/status/950501068655529984/photo/1
Quote from: Hayley1985 on January 08, 2018, 11:32:59 PM
pics of the fire on 5518 https://twitter.com/Northfieldfire/status/950501068655529984/photo/1
Jesus! How did it happen?!
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 09, 2018, 06:42:01 AM
Jesus! How did it happen?!
Looks like arson to me, was on the upper deck at the back seat. Shame though, they were always treated nicely on the Harbornes. Looks repairable.
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2018, 07:11:39 AM
Looks like arson to me, was on the upper deck at the back seat. Shame though, they were always treated nicely on the Harbornes. Looks repairable.
Can they catch the guy that did it?
4879 is currently having an all over ad applied for Red Bull
Re - 5518 fire.
It doesnt look too bad, and with a clean up and new seat should be back on the road soon I reckon.
'These were treated well on Harbornes' - was just waiting for these comments. I know of several that were window etched and had slashed seats etc. Remind me the last time the 63 had an arson attack?
NX - please take a get tough stance with this, find the culprit on cctv and put his mugshot in BC garage and running boards, tell 63 and X61 (and even 29 and 49) drivers NOT to carry him under any circumstances. That way he may learn. The annoying thing is knowing hes done this yesterday and today will probably be waiting for a 63 like nothing has happened. It could have been a lot worse - the whole bus could have been destroyed. BAN him!
I agree in principle with banning, how do you enforce it though in the reality of each day, sounds like a bit of a head case who would kick off etc
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 09, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
I agree in principle with banning, how do you enforce it though in the reality of each day, sounds like a bit of a head case who would kick off etc
The challenge of enforcing a ban would also be trying to distinguish the low life from the rest of the under-nourished weasel faced shell-suit wearing chavs. Not that I'm generalising or anything.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 09, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
Re - 5518 fire.
It doesnt look too bad, and with a clean up and new seat should be back on the road soon I reckon.
Wasn't the seat that was only affected, some of the windows got blackened and the roof fell in a bit (inside only)
Quote from: 37351ml on January 10, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
5517-60 leaving city @ 08.23 :
5517 isn't route branded anymore?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 10, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
5517 isn't route branded anymore?
It was. It was put on a morning peak board on the 60 to get it back to garage to be debranded which is currently being done
There is a new Platinum away from the Harborne services today on the aftenoon 94C, then dead to the Airport and onto the X1.
Quote from: 2206 on January 10, 2018, 04:26:50 PM
There is a new Platinum away from the Harborne services today on the aftenoon 94C, then dead to the Airport and onto the X1.
Is this going to become the new 71/72 branded off route posts we can expect?
Quote from: Dom on January 10, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
Is this going to become the new 71/72 branded off route posts we can expect?
What are you on about, i've not filled the thread up with a load of posts about the Harborne platinums being on the X1.
Thats the first new Platinum i've seen go on the 94C, so first new one i've seen get to Ward End, Castle Bromwich and Stechford going to the Airport, i've not seen one in any of those places before and have only seen 66 plates on the 94C before so I found it noteworthy.
4629 is on the 14 going towards Birmingham City Centre, displaying Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: 2206 on January 10, 2018, 06:25:35 PM
What are you on about, i've not filled the thread up with a load of posts about the Harborne platinums being on the X1.
Thats the first new Platinum i've seen go on the 94C, so first new one i've seen get to Ward End, Castle Bromwich and Stechford going to the Airport, i've not seen one in any of those places before and have only seen 66 plates on the 94C before so I found it noteworthy.
Don't school services normally get anything left in the garage
Quote from: Chris on January 15, 2018, 08:15:25 PM
Don't school services normally get anything left in the garage
No, they get the same allocation as what it goes onto after it operates the school service. Most NX school services go onto another service after.
The 94C goes onto the X1 after so it gets a E400 MMC Platinum.
Quote from: 2206 on January 15, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
No, they get the same allocation as what it goes onto after it operates the school service. Most NX school services go onto another service after.
The 94C goes onto the X1 after so it gets a E400 MMC Platinum.
The 829A goes onto the 120 afterwards, that's allocated a trident.
4630 on the 24
also, do BC do a PM run on the 829? One of the 66-plate ones was on there; got into City Centre after PN's 829 (which was 4442)
4179 and 4879 has the light blue sugar free red bull wrap on it now
Quote from: Hayley1985 on January 17, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
4179 and 4879 has the light blue sugar free red bull wrap on it now
Go back a page and you will find out that 4879 is BC's Red Bull bus, not sure about 4179. 4879 has had it for a few days now.
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
Go back a page and you will find that 4879 is BC's Red Bull bus, not sure about 4179.
ah right sorry i guessed 4879 was the same, but 4179 is defo light blue sugar free got a pic through today
Quote from: Hayley1985 on January 17, 2018, 10:01:47 PM
ah right sorry i guessed 4879 was the same, but 4179 is defo light blue sugar free got a pic through today
Yes 4879 is, 4179 must of have it applied to. 4289 at PB has it too.
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2018, 10:02:31 PM
Yes 4879 is, 4179 must of have it applied to. 4289 at PB has it too.
the way u worded ur first reply i thought you meant it was in 'red' im easily confused but just checked http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4879.html and yes 4179 has come back in the same wrap well the offside and rear of it.
thought they both came back in garage together apologies. I went back a few pages didnt see it mentioned.
Yes 4179 is the third Red Bull bus
4939 on the 24
Did this one transfer to WB as well?
Quote from: CL on January 25, 2018, 12:51:43 PM
4939 on the 24
Did this one transfer to WB as well?
Up to 4937 transferred, 4938/9 remain at BC (for the time being at least). Funny how such a commonplace working a few weeks ago quickly becomes an unusual occurrence.
4630 now also looking out of place is on the 29 today.
6864 is displaying 29 Northfield instead of 29E. Why does this keep happening? Is there a glitch or something?
Driver of X1 I caught looks totally p*ssed off, soon became apparent why when every other passenger was asking if bus in front was cancelled. Bus tracker showed it as scheduled time and revealed it was!
Quote from: Mike K on January 25, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
Up to 4937 transferred, 4938/9 remain at BC (for the time being at least). Funny how such a commonplace working a few weeks ago quickly becomes an unusual occurrence.
4630 now also looking out of place is on the 29 today.
Hybrid on the 22/23. I think it's 5508 or 5509. Quite sad how that's no longer the commonplace, as you put it.
Quote from: JoNi on February 02, 2018, 07:28:45 AM
Driver of X1 I caught looks totally p*ssed off, soon became apparent why when every other passenger was asking if bus in front was cancelled. Bus tracker showed it as scheduled time and revealed it was!
6825 currently in Coventry garage. I've no idea why
My voyage to Birmingham was further delayed by a multiple pile up near Motor cycle museum.
The internal lights went out for 5 minute periods.
A passenger then said out loud "You must be joking" when the revenue squad held the bus up further in Deritend!
Quote from: CL on February 02, 2018, 08:11:09 AM
Hybrid on the 22/23. I think it's 5508 or 5509. Quite sad how that's no longer the commonplace, as you put it.
It's 5509. Nice to see one of these back; the few non Platinums on Harborne routes this week have mainly been crimson E400s.
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
depends on what the underneath looks like
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
That's a bit of a silly question
Every bus gets withdrawn (except 3225)
4871 ,4878, 4879 , 4880 all on the x70 today , are e400 the allocation now ?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
Nobody stopping you preserving it.
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 02, 2018, 03:43:29 PM
4871 ,4878, 4879 , 4880 all on the x70 today , are e400 the allocation now ?
Yes, the main allocation to the X70 is now E400. Tridents will still turn up on there though
Thanks for the info
@Tony
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
Eventually, but it's a Euro 4 Trident so it probably won't go for a bit.
5505 also back on its old stamping ground of the 22/23.
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2018, 03:47:58 PM
Yes, the main allocation to the X70 is now E400. Tridents will still turn up on there though
If you ask me, the X70 is dying for full Platnium operation.
Quote from: Jack on February 02, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
If you ask me, the X70 is dying for full Platnium operation.
Why is it?
Whats wrong with E400s?
Quote from: 2206 on February 02, 2018, 06:40:11 PM
Why is it?
Whats wrong with E400s?
Nothing it's a limited stop service, so it deserves Platniums, I'm sure the Coleshill and Water Orton users will be glad of some extra comfort.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on February 02, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
would 4177 ever be withdrawn? tbh it would be better of in preservation or reserve as its such a lovely bus
I had it on the 14 this morning, I thought it seemed quite unspecial and a bit tired.
B7RLE-22/23
Is the entire harborne corridor meant to be platinum?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2018, 03:13:22 PM
B7RLE-22/23
Is the entire harborne corridor meant to be platinum?
No
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2018, 03:13:22 PM
B7RLE-22/23
Is the entire harborne corridor meant to be platinum?
There's a B7RLE on the 22/23 every day, or at least every afternoon / evening. Don't know whether it comes off a school working or something but it does a 22 from city that passes the ICC at around 5.30pm.
A 14 plate E400 - 4946 (?) operated the AM 70 this morning, does that go on the X70 afterwards?
Also do B7RLEs operate the PM 70?
Quote from: 2206 on February 07, 2018, 04:32:45 PM
A 14 plate E400 - 4946 (?) operated the AM 70 this morning, does that go on the X70 afterwards?
Also do B7RLEs operate the PM 70?
Saw 4946 turning on to Farnhurst Road around 18:15 on the X70 @2206so yes it must of
Quote from: Gareth on February 02, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
I had it on the 14 this morning, I thought it seemed quite unspecial and a bit tired.
oh right, its always been a quiet bus due to the engine but ive never encountered any problems with 4177
4948 was on Nechells Parkway at 09:50 this morning displaying "70 Chelmsley Wood", does it not have X70 on the display?
Quote from: 2206 on February 10, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
4948 was on Nechells Parkway at 09:50 this morning displaying "70 Chelmsley Wood", does it not have X70 on the display?
Obviously not
Quote from: Dom on February 10, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
Obviously not
Wasn't realy obvious to me, if you say that because I said "does it not have X70 on the display", then obviously I know it wasn't displaying X70 and what I was asking was if it has X70 in the display, as it was displaying 70 instead, I was wandering why its displaying 70 when its on the X70, I thought it might not have X70 in the display, or the perhaps the driver put it up by mistake.
Quote from: Dom on February 10, 2018, 12:22:07 PM
Obviously not
To elaborate, I believe the intended question is;
Should the 70 have been X70?
Quote from: Ben on February 10, 2018, 04:01:34 PM
To summarise, I believe the intended question is; Should the 70 have been X70?
'Why haven't BC updated their Hanover Displays?' Would be more fitting.
Ahhh!!! The voice of Phil Upton is back, and this time with a sidekick.
The new Platinums (or 6878 at least) are starting to have next stop announcement enabled. An annoying nasal sounding voice says "the next stop is..." with Phil Upton then saying the name of the stop. I hadn't appreciated how peaceful and quiet things had been until now.
WiFi still not working though.
Quote from: Mike K on February 14, 2018, 05:38:08 PM
Ahhh!!! The voice of Phil Upton is back, and this time with a sidekick.
The new Platinums (or 6878 at least) are starting to have next stop announcement enabled. An annoying nasal sounding voice says "the next stop is..." with Phil Upton then saying the name of the stop. I hadn't appreciated how peaceful and quiet things had been until now.
WiFi still not working though.
One would imagine branding is going to take place soon then.
Quote from: Mike K on February 14, 2018, 05:38:08 PM
Ahhh!!! The voice of Phil Upton is back, and this time with a sidekick.
The new Platinums (or 6878 at least) are starting to have next stop announcement enabled. An annoying nasal sounding voice says "the next stop is..." with Phil Upton then saying the name of the stop. I hadn't appreciated how peaceful and quiet things had been until now.
WiFi still not working though.
I have to say the announcements on the Hybrids were better than those on the Platinums. That voice is annoying lol.
Which routes are these announcements on? Surely any changes to routes have to be taken into account first.
Quote from: Mike K on February 14, 2018, 05:38:08 PM
Ahhh!!! The voice of Phil Upton is back, and this time with a sidekick.
The new Platinums (or 6878 at least) are starting to have next stop announcement enabled. An annoying nasal sounding voice says "the next stop is..." with Phil Upton then saying the name of the stop. I hadn't appreciated how peaceful and quiet things had been until now.
WiFi still not working though.
I noticed that a few weeks ago while travelling on the X12 from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull. It's almost as if they couldn't get the original 'guy' to voice the new stops, as you would have the usual 'the next stop is' followed by the name of the stop in a louder, slightly different voice.
Interestingly, the voice then changes to the 'traditional' one, where the X12 shares stops with the X1 between Intl Station and Holiday Inn.
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
I noticed that a few weeks ago while travelling on the X12 from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull. It's almost as if they couldn't get the original 'guy' to voice the new stops, as you would have the usual 'the next stop is' followed by the name of the stop in a louder, slightly different voice.
Interestingly, the voice then changes to the 'traditional' one, where the X12 shares stops with the X1 between Intl Station and Holiday Inn.
PB's should be like that as in saying 'The Next Stop is, (for example) Erdington, Six Ways. They also say the announcements once your right at the stop. I think the ones on the X12 is probably the best one. WA's announcements are a bit quiet.
Will the 63 have announcements on the Hybrids?
WiFi seems to be working on 6859 this morning. Have they all been done now?
What a difference school half term makes. The NXWM app (real-time departures) shows that the next few 22/23s are due in 5, 15, 20, 30 and 35 mins, and the next few 24s are due in 7, 17, 27 and 37 minutes. This is completely alien to me.
Quote from: Mike K on February 19, 2018, 05:42:03 PM
What a difference school half term makes. The NXWM app (real-time departures) shows that the next few 22/23s are due in 5, 15, 20, 30 and 35 mins, and the next few 24s are due in 7, 17, 27 and 37 minutes. This is completely alien to me.
Lighter loads at school times and no school time traffic perhaps.
Quote from: 2206 on February 19, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
Lighter loads at school times and no school time traffic perhaps.
I'm aware of the reasons - both buses I've been on today have had to wait time at every timing point - just pointing out what a novelty it is having the slowest and most delayed corridor in the entire network running like clockwork.
Quote from: Mike K on February 19, 2018, 05:50:32 PM
I'm aware of the reasons - both buses I've been on today have had to wait time at every timing point - just pointing out what a novelty it is having the slowest and most delayed corridor in the entire network running like clockwork.
Both buses on the 11 i've been on today as well have had to wait at all the timing points as well.
Yeah, they're definitely running more like clockwork than usual.
Quote from: Mike K on February 19, 2018, 05:42:03 PM
What a difference school half term makes. The NXWM app (real-time departures) shows that the next few 22/23s are due in 5, 15, 20, 30 and 35 mins, and the next few 24s are due in 7, 17, 27 and 37 minutes. This is completely alien to me.
On the X1 this morning, arrived on time at Yardley Swan Island (Broadyates Road stop) and was 'Early 5' (according to the ticket machine screen) on disembarking at Bordesley station. Almost forgotten what it was like for a bus to effortlessly glide along Small Heath Highway. 8)
Quote from: Mike K on February 19, 2018, 05:42:03 PM
What a difference school half term makes. The NXWM app (real-time departures) shows that the next few 22/23s are due in 5, 15, 20, 30 and 35 mins, and the next few 24s are due in 7, 17, 27 and 37 minutes. This is completely alien to me.
Even better is the ability to actually get on the buses and have a seat!
The 59S has been cancelled.
PD0001111/252 Cancelled
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD
Route: Sheldon Heath Academy to Birmingham City Centre via Yardley (Yew Tree), Coventry Road
Service number: 59S (59S)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 15 Apr 2018
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/browse/results/?fields%5Bstatus%5D=&fields%5BacceptedDate%5D=2018-02-21&fields%5BtrafficAreas%5D%5B0%5D=D&security=8f4442641b32bb33c66601a0aa3a59b2-31d746424fdcb08d6cbc6469997632da&page=1
Lots of changes 09 April is it the south Brum review then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 21, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
Lots of changes 09 April is it the south Brum review then?
There's Coventry ones and Sutton ones mixed in. End of Easter hols I reckon
Due to the amount of Perry Barr routes on there I'm not sure. Could be Easter timetables although if this were the case, then other garages should've been registered to. All will be revealed I guess.
Arh forgot about Easter?
6853 and 6854 have had these Platinum ads added under the ad frames
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/40377733372/
Quote from: John on February 22, 2018, 03:51:26 PM
6853 and 6854 have had these Platinum ads added under the ad frames
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/40377733372/
There is also another variant advertising the USB phone chargers, I think I saw it on 6852?
Quite a mixed bag on the Harbornes today. Counted at least four 66reg Platinums, though not really of note (except the X61 branded one); a Crimson Trident on the 24, I believe it's 4608 but too far to ID.
Also, noticed on one of the 67reg ones, believe it could've been a 687*, the lower rear window is blacked out. Are these being branded soon then?
Quote from: 37351ml on February 26, 2018, 09:40:35 PM
4608 - 24 up until the 19.15 departure from city.
This isn't really that noteworthy. It's even on the spreadsheet. That said e400s aren't on the 24 other allocation and they appear more than anything else from what I've seen.
Maybe old news but was really nice to get on 4464 today and seeing it have the new card scanner installed, finally!
So, I had the pleasure of the next-stop announcements on 6870 earlier. While they worked well generally, it still seems a bit buggy. Especially when a stop is missed out, it tended to play up and announce the previous stop again. Not sure each one needs to be said twice either. Also, I feel like Harborne Park Road, Cross Farm Road would be better than just Cross Farm Road for example.
I was surprised that it went on past Harborne, The Junction though given the routes will be changing soon.
Also, for some reason it said "Grove Rd", when at Quinton Road, Cadnam Close. There's a Grove Lane nearby, but no Grove Road.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 01, 2018, 02:35:29 PM
So, I had the pleasure of the next-stop announcements on 6870 earlier. While they worked well generally, it still seems a bit buggy. Especially when a stop is missed out, it tended to play up and announce the previous stop again. Not sure each one needs to be said twice either. Also, I feel like Harborne Park Road, Cross Farm Road would be better than just Cross Farm Road for example.
I was surprised that it went on past Harborne, The Junction though given the routes will be changing soon.
Also, for some reason it said "Grove Rd", when at Quinton Road, Cadnam Close. There's a Grove Lane nearby, but no Grove Road.
Has it been confirmed that routes will be changing, and that the 29 specifically will be changing? I haven't seen anything myself so far confirming what the outcome of the SW Birmingham consultation has been.
Quote from: Mike K on March 01, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
Has it been confirmed that routes will be changing, and that the 29 specifically will be changing? I haven't seen anything myself so far confirming what the outcome of the SW Birmingham consultation has been.
Sorry, I should've reworded that! I mean that the likeliness is that they will be, given that the consultation is still to be concluded.
How according to the nx website the 55 94 and x12 can't serve the city centre but the x70 can?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 02, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
How according to the nx website the 55 94 and x12 can't serve the city centre but the x70 can?
Unless it's changed in the last half an hour, no mention of the 14 either. I'd imagine it's avoiding Duddeston too.
Quote from: Gareth on March 02, 2018, 06:46:25 PM
Unless it's changed in the last half an hour, no mention of the 14 either. I'd imagine it's avoiding Duddeston too.
14 was running normal route, but in the last 5 minutes has changed to just run City to Stechford roundabout only
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 02, 2018, 06:32:30 PM
How according to the nx website the 55 94 and x12 can't serve the city centre but the x70 can?
In regards of the X12 and X70, are they serving Chipperfield Road without problems? I remember when we had snow in December, they weren't serving Chipperfield Road. The Diamond 25 mananged to get down it, before the snow got severe this evening.
They are not serving chipperfield road
Quote from: Jack D on March 02, 2018, 08:55:55 PM
They are not serving chipperfield road
What's the diversion route then as they are not on NX website that they aren't serving Chipperfield Road and Bromford Drive? Talk about inconsistency. Are they serving Farnhurst Road.
I presume the diversion route (inbound) would be turn right onto Bromford Road from Coleshill Road and turn left onto Farnhurst Road (if they are serving it that is). If not serving Farmhurst Road, then they would carry on along Bromford Road and turn left onto the A4040 Bromford Lane and back onto normal line of route.
Quote from: Jack on March 02, 2018, 10:21:15 PM
What's the diversion route then as they are not on NX website that they aren't serving Chipperfield Road and Bromford Drive? Talk about inconsistency. Are they serving Farnhurst Road.
I presume the diversion route (inbound) would be turn right onto Bromford Road from Coleshill Road and turn left onto Farnhurst Road (if they are serving it that is). If not serving Farmhurst Road, then they would carry on along Bromford Road and turn left onto the A4040 Bromford Lane and back onto normal line of route.
Earlier today X12 & X70 were travelling the whole of Bromford Land to the Fox & Goose left onto Coleshill Road to the Hunters Moon then normal line of route outbound. Reverse diversion inbound that was at 11am this morning & on my way back from shopping I saw a gritting truck going down Chipperfield Road around noon
@Jack
Quote from: Squiz1971 on March 03, 2018, 03:24:08 PM
Earlier today X12 & X70 were travelling the whole of Bromford Lane to the Fox & Goose left onto Coleshill Road to the Hunters Moon then normal line of route outbound. Reverse diversion inbound that was at 11am this morning & on my at back from shopping I saw a gritting truck going down Chipperfield Road around noon @Jack
Thanks for the confirmation
@Squiz1971
Quote from: Jack on March 03, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
Thanks for the confirmation @Squiz1971
YVW, it seemed weird seeing an X12 branded Platinum bus passing the Tesco's this morning
Looks like the 80, 98 & X64 are back on their normal line of route today.
Doesn't seem like the drivers are aware of all the original stops though.
6855 is now at Plaxtons at Anston for the Smart Hybrid system to be added
Are they being done in numerical order ?
Quote from: 37351ml on March 07, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
Are they being done in numerical order ?
Plan is 6855-6892 in numeric order with 6853/4 last
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
Plan is 6855-6892 in numeric order with 6853/4 last
So a couple of the previous batch are to be modified too? I thought it had been previously posted that retro fitting other Platinums with the smart hybrid technology would be difficult as the latest batch had been built to incorporate sufficient space in the engine compartment to accommodate the new technology, whereas previous batches hadn't.
Sorry , my mistake 6855/6, then6859~92 then 6857/8
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
Sorry , my mistake 6855/6, then6859~92 then 6857/8
Why are those two being kept until last if you don't mind me asking?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 07, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
Why are those two being kept until last if you don't mind me asking?
Could be to assess MPG and fuel efficiency between hybrid converted examples and regular engine examples
Quote from: Lukeee on March 07, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Could be to assess MPG and fuel efficiency between hybrid converted examples and regular engine examples
That doesn't explain why it's those two specifically though. Surely you can leave any until last if that's the case.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 08, 2018, 06:26:07 AM
That doesn't explain why it's those two specifically though. Surely you can leave any until last if that's the case.
Correct, and those two have been chosen, so what's the problem?
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2018, 08:04:22 AM
Correct, and those two have been chosen, so what's the problem?
I didn't say there was a problem?
5502 currently on the 23
4878 currently on the 29
If anyone's interested.
4941 spotted on the 24; suppose some are filling in for those away?
Quote from: CL on March 08, 2018, 04:42:35 PM
5502 currently on the 23
4878 currently on the 29
If anyone's interested.
4941 spotted on the 24; suppose some are filling in for those away?
5514 was on there too earlier, it's pretty standard for there to be a non platinum on every day anyway, as well as price branded platinums.
98 and X64, proposal to use George Road in Edgbaston instead of Frederick Road.
https://www.birminghambeheard.org.uk/economy/citycentreroadimprovements/
Quote- One way operation of George Road (from St James Road to Islington Row Middleway) to allow buses (X64 and 98) to use this road, instead of Frederick Road, with no loss of parking.
- Redesign of Islington Row Middleway/Bath Row/George Road junction, with new traffic signals.
- A bus gate to allow buses, taxis and cycles only to cross Islington Middleway from George Road to Bath Row.
- Opening of the right turn from Islington Row Middleway into Bath Row for all traffic.
- Signal controlled pedestrian crossing facilities on Islington Row Middleway, Bath Row and George Road.
There are Notices on AG Buses that:
From April 1st till April 21st some routes will not be able to serve Solihull Station and will terminate at Solihull Town Centre.
Only the X2, X12 and 73 will serve Solihull Station during this period.
Quote from: 2206 on March 12, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
There are Notices on AG Buses that:
From April 1st till April 21st some routes will not be able to serve Solihull Station and will terminate at Solihull Town Centre.
Only the X2, X12 and 73 will serve Solihull Station during this period.
Will they? I was under the impression that the whole of Station Approach is closed to traffic in this period?
Quote from: MW on March 12, 2018, 06:05:06 PM
Will they? I was under the impression that the whole of Station Approach is closed to traffic in this period?
Yes.
Its on the NX website as well.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/solihull-rail-station-bus-changes-1st-21st-april-2018
Quote from: 2206 on March 12, 2018, 05:51:31 PM
There are Notices on AG Buses that:
From April 1st till April 21st some routes will not be able to serve Solihull Station and will terminate at Solihull Town Centre.
Only the X2, X12 and 73 will serve Solihull Station during this period.
+ 72, 76 during evenings
Quote from: 2206 on March 10, 2018, 09:02:59 PM
98 and X64, proposal to use George Road in Edgbaston instead of Frederick Road.
https://www.birminghambeheard.org.uk/economy/citycentreroadimprovements/
I have to say I don't like this. The Five Ways stops are well used (as were the Broad St and Great Charles Street ones during the diversion in truth). What happens to them?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 13, 2018, 07:21:37 AM
I have to say I don't like this. The Five Ways stops are well used (as were the Broad St and Great Charles Street ones during the diversion in truth). What happens to them?
I have to say that I do agree. The Broad Street stops were well used and I am a little surprised that the diversion didn't become permanent.
Since the metro works began at the bottom of Broad Street, Holloway Circus has become very congested.
Oh Holloway Circus is pretty much a car park at times!
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 13, 2018, 10:59:28 AM
Oh Holloway Circus is pretty much a car park at times!
It has been as far back as I remember (80s), even on Sundays.
Largest number of non Platinums on Harborne corridor today since the last of the new batch of Platinums entered service - are there a number of them away at Plaxtons for conversion?
Quote from: Tiptonian on March 13, 2018, 01:08:01 PM
It has been as far back as I remember (80s), even on Sundays.
It seems worse than ever with the volume of traffic diverting down there to avoid broad street, especially as the lights on the round about don't appear to be in sync, so one set can be green but you can't move because the set in front are red.
A couple of Saturday's it took 30 minutes to cross that roundabout at 9pm! It must cause delays with the X61, 63 and X64, 98 routes going into the city centre.
Could do with bus lane
6853 operated this afternoons 59S.
There was a 688X on there the other day as well.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but how come when all the recent Wrightbus repaints have had the new flat panels put on, the B5s haven't? I know they haven't had a refurbishment but I was under the impression the new panels were lighter and reduced fuel consumption?
4466 displaying 97P, Pine Square. I thought the 97P got discontinued?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 17, 2018, 02:32:12 PM
4466 displaying 97P, Pine Square. I thought the 97P got discontinued?
I think advertised 97P workings disappeared some time ago, but the 97P display evidently still exists is used for the occasional (presumably unscheduled) short working to Pine Square.
Anyone know what's up with 6860, not seen it for a good while now
Quote from: 37351ml on March 18, 2018, 06:35:10 PM
Anyone know what's up with 6860, not seen it for a good while now
I'm sure I saw that today (18/3) in Coventry on the X1.
Forgot to mention it earlier but saw 6869 on a 63E to Rubery in Northfield
6853 & 6854 both back from Plaxtons after having the 'Smart Boost' hybrid system added and both in service on the 22/23 today. It's an electric motor that uses surplus energy stored in a capacitor that assists when pulling away from a standing start to reduce fuel consumption
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2018, 09:34:56 AM
6853 & 6854 both back from Plaxtons after having the 'Smart Boost' hybrid system added and both in service on the 22/23 today. It's an electric motor that uses surplus energy stored in a capacitor that assists when pulling away from a standing start to reduce fuel consumption
Should that be 6855/6 (thought the earlier post had been corrected, with none of the 66 plate ones being done)?
Quote from: Mike K on March 19, 2018, 10:51:52 AM
Should that be 6855/6 (thought the earlier post had been corrected, with none of the 66 plate ones being done)?
Yes, me being forgetful again. Ignore this post
6855 is now converted and out on test
4876 was quite lost on the 47 this morning at 7:35. It ended up at Kings Heath and caused a massive traffic jam at the Vicarage road traffic lights.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 22, 2018, 05:24:02 PM
4876 was quite lost on the 47 this morning at 7:35. It ended up at Kings Heath and caused a massive traffic jam at the Vicarage road traffic lights.
The road was closed at Hazelwell Street in Stirchley this morning outside Farmfoods, the diversion was Fordhouse Lane (the 11 route) then left Cartland Road to come back onto the Pershore Road just before the old Bowling Alley, easy to miss the turning I guess especially if your unfamiliar with the area!
2136 suddenly looking quite out of place on the 29 today. One of around 8 non Platinum buses seen on the Harborne corridor within a few minutes of each other on Harborne High St earlier.
Quote from: Mike K on March 23, 2018, 03:23:57 PM
2136 suddenly looking quite out of place on the 29 today. One of around 8 non Platinum buses seen on the Harborne corridor within a few minutes of each other on Harborne High St earlier.
Are the Harborne's "officially" Platinum now though? Or are they waiting for the network review to properly launch the routes as such?
Quote from: Kevin on March 24, 2018, 08:56:26 AM
Are the Harborne's "officially" Platinum now though? Or are they waiting for the network review to properly launch the routes as such?
I don't think they're "officially" Platinum yet - they don't appear on the Platinum pages of the NX website - but by and large they are over 90% Platinum operated most days. Yesterday seemed to have an unusually high number of standard vehicles. It seems a bit strange 5 months since they were introduced seeing them still un-branded and with no Wifi but as you say it's likely that's because of the delays to the network review.
4949 on this morning 70 journey. Seen at Saltley Gate, Washwood Heath Road displaying X70.
I'm just curious is the x70 working , always seem to be empty when I've seen it at the weekend and always seem to follow behind the x12 creating no gap in flow through Bromford. Do people have any views ?
It's timetabled to follow each other on some journeys but the x70 is always full at around 4 pm in water Orton to castle Brom which with factory workers
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 26, 2018, 06:29:44 PM
I'm just curious is the x70 working , always seem to be empty when I've seen it at the weekend and always seem to follow behind the x12 creating no gap in flow through Bromford. Do people have any views ?
During the day they are fairly empty. Though quite a lot use the Bromford section to City, but it is often in convoy with the X12. They can leave City full at times though.
Quote from: Jack on March 26, 2018, 08:21:53 PM
During the day they are fairly empty. Though quite a lot use the Bromford section to City, but it is often in convoy with the X12. They can leave City full at times though.
How do you know that from odd observations?
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2018, 08:37:08 PM
How do you know that from odd observations?
Not really odd, lost count how many times I'm on a X12 along Chipperfield Road and an X70 is behind. Even when I'm on an X70 there is an X12 in front.
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
6855 is now converted and out on test
Not sure how long it's been back in service but it's on the 22/23 today - first time I've seen it since the Smart Hybrid conversion.
Quote from: Mike K on March 30, 2018, 03:28:17 PM
Not sure how long it's been back in service but it's on the 22/23 today - first time I've seen it since the Smart Hybrid conversion.
You can tell the ones that have been done. As there are 3 new small vents on the offside rear engine panel above the main vent. Saw 6855 earlier today
5506 and one other now branded for the 63
Quote from: Tony on April 01, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
5506 and one other now branded for the 63
5509 is the one in the Facebook picture for those who have not seen it already
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29694476_1661473217281022_306480886530079994_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=19ffc465230cc00b393275e942e3b6f7&oe=5B379CBD
Quote from: John on April 01, 2018, 01:48:28 PM
5509 is the one in the Facebook picture for those who have not seen it already
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29694476_1661473217281022_306480886530079994_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=19ffc465230cc00b393275e942e3b6f7&oe=5B379CBD
Looks quite nice. Do they now not advertise anywhere the fact it's an electric bus?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 01, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Looks quite nice. Do they now not advertise anywhere the fact it's an electric bus?
Will they be getting 'Next Stop' announcements? As they still have the Harborne's announcements still programmed in.
Looks quite smart.
Quote from: John on April 01, 2018, 01:48:28 PM
5509 is the one in the Facebook picture for those who have not seen it already
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29694476_1661473217281022_306480886530079994_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=19ffc465230cc00b393275e942e3b6f7&oe=5B379CBD
Looking great with the blue branding
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 01, 2018, 04:34:05 PM
Looking great with the blue branding
Looks good - a shame it's blue though, NX have used blue and green way too much for branding from my POV. I'm still waiting for NX to brand a route in turquoise.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 01, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Looks quite nice. Do they now not advertise anywhere the fact it's an electric bus?
Was gonna mention this, but must've slipped my mind.
Like the trapped buses, the repainted hybrids have an identical "flower" sticker on its rear with "Electric Hybrid Bus" instead of whatever's written on the trapped ones. A minute acknowledgement, if you'd ask me.
Quote from: Jack on April 01, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
Looks good - a shame it's blue though, NX have used blue and green way too much for branding from my POV. I'm still waiting for NX to brand a route in turquoise.
I'd imagine it's blue because the X61 is also.blue.
Surprised it doesn't mention the X61 though like the 63 is on the platinums.
Looks good much better than the branding here in West London on the &140 and 90
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 01, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
I'd imagine it's blue because the X61 is also.blue.
Surprised it doesn't mention the X61 though like the 63 is on the platinums.
I point you to the difference between 51 and X51 branding...
A shame really, personally thought the italic version of X51 on the Geminis worked quite well alongside the 51
Quote from: Kevin on April 01, 2018, 05:24:26 PM
I point you to the difference between 51 and X51 branding...
A shame really, personally though the italic version of X51 on the Geminis worked quite well alongside the 51
I'm just guessing at why! I'm not saying it's always the case.
Quote from: Kevin on April 01, 2018, 05:24:26 PM
A shame really, personally thought the italic version of X51 on the Geminis worked quite well alongside the 51
Me too. Those 46** Beasts that use to be on the route (so were the E400's!) are way better than those sheds that are now on the X51. The blue X51 branding was fairly smart on the 46** and it loooked good alongside the branded E400's on the 51.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 01, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
I'd imagine it's blue because the X61 is also.blue.
Surprised it doesn't mention the X61 though like the 63 is on the platinums.
The X61 is more of a turquoise blue - similar to the colour in the old Arriva livery. I thought they'd have kept the colour the same as the X61.
Quote from: Kevin on April 01, 2018, 05:24:26 PM
I point you to the difference between 51 and X51 branding...
A shame really, personally thought the italic version of X51 on the Geminis worked quite well alongside the 51
I think the only reason the X51 became green was because of the interworking with the 997, and the need for a common generic branding. It's been stated before that the aim is to keep all main corridors one colour, the X51 is an exception to that rule.
Quote from: Mike K on April 01, 2018, 06:27:40 PM
The X61 is more of a turquoise blue - similar to the colour in the old Arriva livery. I thought they'd have kept the colour the same as the X61.
That is true. Also I notice that it only says Bristol Road, not mentioning any destination points like branding usually does (unless it does on the back). Is that because the route is changing?
5503 and 5508 now 63 branded
The back does list key places served - see attachment
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 02, 2018, 05:43:19 PM
5503 and 5508 now 63 branded
The back does list key places served - see attachment
Good picture that. Looks smart, though I notice it doesn't mention Frankley. An indicator of what's to come, perhaps?
Also, does it still mention the university hop? Or is that no longer running?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 02, 2018, 06:53:59 PM
Good picture that. Looks smart, though I notice it doesn't mention Frankley. An indicator of what's to come, perhaps?
Also, does it still mention the university hop? Or is that no longer running?
Perhaps it doesn't mention it, because the university hop is only for University of Birmingham Staff & Students and NHS Staff with student or staff identification and not open for the public to buy?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/useful-information/university-hop
Quote from: 2206 on April 02, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Perhaps it doesn't mention it, because the university hop is only for University of Birmingham Staff & Students and NHS Staff with student or staff identification and not open for the public to buy?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/useful-information/university-hop
Hasn't that always been the case though?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 02, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
Hasn't that always been the case though?
I forgot about those vinyls advertising it they put on the windows, sorry.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 02, 2018, 06:53:59 PM
Good picture that. Looks smart, though I notice it doesn't mention Frankley. An indicator of what's to come, perhaps?
Also, does it still mention the university hop? Or is that no longer running?
Thanks. Yes I noticed Frankley is not mentioned so maybe the 63 is being shortened unless they don't consider Frankley as a key destination
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 02, 2018, 07:19:35 PM
Thanks. Yes I noticed Frankley is not mentioned so maybe the 63 is being shortened unless they don't consider Frankley as a key destination
Lol, you'd have thought the outbound terminus would be a key destination really. From what the branding suggests, I'd hazard a guess at maybe the 63 might make a return to the Great Park terminus? Though perhaps it would say Rubery Great Park and not just Rubery.
In fairness, the ones above the "to and from City Centre" bit are just 'via points'
The other examples I could think of where a terminus is not mentioned is the Pershore Road branding, even though it's a corridor. Despite that, I think there's some credence in my point.
All in all, I think it just comes down to spacing, and equally the size of the lettering that is used - which makes it somewhat legible from a distance. The B5LH's weird rear layout cetrainly doesn't help with this, else I suppose there'd have been some mention of the X61 on there... From a personal opinion, I'm not a fan of the "return of the roundels". I mean, they look great on the WB E400s for the 5 & the 80, but I don't think it suits the Crimson livery all too much. Not only does it add another variation in the style of branding, but I think it's far too large for the B5's body; taking up valuable branding space, which could otherwise have been used to mention more key areas/stops.
Quote from: CL on April 02, 2018, 11:42:13 PM
In fairness, the ones above the "to and from City Centre" bit are just 'via points'
The other examples I could think of where a terminus is not mentioned is the Pershore Road branding, even though it's a corridor. Despite that, I think there's some credence in my point.
All in all, I think it just comes down to spacing, and equally the size of the lettering that is used - which makes it somewhat legible from a distance. The B5LH's weird rear layout cetrainly doesn't help with this, else I suppose there'd have been some mention of the X61 on there... From a personal opinion, I'm not a fan of the "return of the roundels". I mean, they look great on the WB E400s for the 5 & the 80, but I don't think it suits the Crimson livery all too much. Not only does it add another variation in the style of branding, but I think it's far too large for the B5's body; taking up valuable branding space, which could otherwise have been used to mention more key areas/stops.
Rubery is a possibility yes. Maybe Run the 98 left from Rubery Flyover Cock Hill Lane (currently right towards Great Park) down the High Street and via current 63 route
Pershore Road probably doesn't mention the via points as they go different ways after Cotteridge with the 45 going via West Heath to Longbridge and 47 via Turves Green to Cofton
I think you are right there, the B5s have a weird layout and the roundels take a lot of space whilst not really saying where the route goes
Also noticed how route number 63 is not on the offside but on the nearside branding
5512 now 63 branded.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 02, 2018, 06:53:59 PM
Good picture that. Looks smart, though I notice it doesn't mention Frankley. An indicator of what's to come, perhaps?
Also, does it still mention the university hop? Or is that no longer running?
Unpopular opinion perhaps, but I don't like it at all, the blue and the yellow doesn't look good on the Crimson for me. The font, especially on the sides is very overpowering
5501 now 63 branded
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 06, 2018, 12:23:47 PM
5501 now 63 branded
I quite like that they are branding the ones that never had branding before, 5501-5509 and that the 13 plates are also being branded, will they be branded? There still isn't enough Hybrids for the 63 though.
Quote from: Jack on April 06, 2018, 12:37:47 PM
I quite like that they are branding the ones that never had branding before, 5501-5509 and that the 13 plates are also being branded, will they be branded? There still isn't enough Hybrids for the 63 though.
I think (just by looking a the 63 timetable) that the PVR for the main off-peak Monday to Saturday daytime is 16 buses so there are enough hybrids. Monday to Friday peak periods uses more but that doesn't really matter as most platinum routes uses standard buses in peaks.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 06, 2018, 02:32:12 PM
I think (just by looking a the 63 timetable) that the PVR for the main off-peak Monday to Saturday daytime is 16 buses so there are enough hybrids. Monday to Friday peak periods uses more but that doesn't really matter as most platinum routes uses standard buses in peaks.
E400's and Tridents are still daily on the 63, someone told me there isn't enough Hybrids for the 63...
Quote from: Jack on April 06, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
E400's and Tridents are still daily on the 63, someone told me there isn't enough Hybrids for the 63...
There are enough, when they, are all available
Quote from: Tony on April 06, 2018, 02:37:35 PM
There are enough, when they, are all available
This is one of the main gripes about the allocation. Only having just enough, so if one is involved in an accident and needs work doing then you get a standard bus. Surely especially for platinums you should have surplus to requirements in case this happens? I know obviously the platinums aren't cheap but just my thoughts. Look at the x10 for example- daily allocated a street deck yet platinum??
Quote from: Jack on April 06, 2018, 12:37:47 PM
I quite like that they are branding the ones that never had branding before, 5501-5509 and that the 13 plates are also being branded, will they be branded? There still isn't enough Hybrids for the 63 though.
Not seen any 13 plates branded yet but I am sure they will gain branding in due course. Can confirm 5502 is not branded yet
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 06, 2018, 02:51:46 PM
Not seen any 13 plates branded yet but I am sure they will gain branding in due course. Can confirm 5502 is not branded yet
5512 is 63 branded, if you look at my previous post, nine posts above.
Quote from: Jack on April 06, 2018, 03:34:43 PM
5512 is 63 branded, if you look at my previous post, nine posts above.
Oh yes, sorry forgot about that one. Didn't see it today though
5510 now 63 branded.
5506; 5511 & 5513 now 63 branded
Maybe the new platinum buses at bc havnt been branded up as they might be going to another garage maybe
@Tony knows
Quote from: karl724223 on April 11, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
Maybe the new platinum buses at bc havnt been branded up as they might be going to another garage maybe @Tony knows
Converting a major corridor to high spec Platinum hybrid buses only to move them on a few months later? That would be good publicity.
On a semi related note, I caught 6856 this evening which I think has had the hybrid conversion. Before I'd even seen the fleet number I'd noticed a slight difference in engine sound under acceleration - quite a nice growl. It really shifted too, but that was probably as much to do with the way it was being driven.
Not sure if this has been mentioned already but I saw 4941 today on the X70 with a Capital Radio Megarear ad
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 12, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned already but I saw 4941 today on the X70 with a Capital Radio Megarear ad
Be good is some people actually read the posts... 4942 has the same one and and both have had them for at least two months now.
Quote from: Jack on April 12, 2018, 07:39:44 PM
Be good is some people actually read the posts... 4942 has the same one and and both have had them for at least two months now.
Be good if some people stopped pretending they were a moderator.
Not every has the time to read every post
Quote from: Jack on April 12, 2018, 07:39:44 PM
Be good is some people actually read the posts... 4942 has the same one and and both have had them for at least two months now.
Hence the reason I put not sure if it has been mentioned
@Jack as 2 months ago is a while ago for us oldies
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 16, 2018, 09:16:34 PM
4177 was on 98E and X64 this afternoon.
How? I thought they couldn't have deckers on those routes?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 16, 2018, 11:18:14 PM
How? I thought they couldn't have deckers on those routes?
Better than no bus. No reason not to use a decker. No low bridges 😬
Quote from: AndrewLee on April 19, 2018, 08:57:40 PM
Better than no bus. No reason not to use a decker. No low bridges 😬
Low hanging tree branches on Edgbaston Park Road?
Quote from: Jack on April 19, 2018, 09:12:52 PM
Low hanging tree branches on Edgbaston Park Road?
Its, Wheeleys Road the deckers can't use, I think.
The deckers can go don't Edgbaston Park Road, I saw a WB 47XX E400 on Edgbaston Park Road the other week and Traveline WM and the NX Website shows the 885 (towards King Edwards) uses Edgbaston Park Road as well and the 885 uses AG Gemini.
How come the red bull as is still on the trident yet the enviro has gone for repaint that had it
Quote from: Solo1 on April 19, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
How come the red bull as is still on the trident yet the enviro has gone for repaint that had it
4289 went into repaint as well. Maybe 4179's advert has been forgotten about? :P
Quote from: Jack on April 19, 2018, 09:44:17 PM
4289 went into repaint as well. Maybe 4179's advert has been forgotten about? :P
No, I haven't fogotton aboul it, in fact I photographed it today
Quote from: Solo1 on April 19, 2018, 09:42:00 PM
How come the red bull as is still on the trident yet the enviro has gone for repaint that had it
The Enviro has gone into paint to look different again
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2018, 10:01:17 PM
The Enviro has gone into paint to look different again
The gay pride 🏳️🌈 bus?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 19, 2018, 10:19:52 PM
The gay pride 🏳️🌈 bus?
4875 still has the Pride slogan in its front upper deck window.
I'd like to see an all over AD supporting pride like 4853's, looked better than 4875.
Or an enviro painted in the rainbow 🌈 colours. Imagine seeing that after a few pints
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
Its, Wheeleys Road the deckers can't use, I think.
The deckers can go don't Edgbaston Park Road, I saw a WB 47XX E400 on Edgbaston Park Road the other week and Traveline WM and the NX Website shows the 885 (towards King Edwards) uses Edgbaston Park Road as well and the 885 uses AG Gemini.
Yes the 885 does use Edgbaston Park Rd towards the school, the old 21 route used it too for a short time. Maybe they've cut the trees back on Wheeleys Rd, can't say I've noticed but it certainly did look like it would be precarious sending a double decker down there with low hanging trees.
@Mike K ask diamond buses, they send their deckers down low hanging trees and I am surprised the windows ay smashed yet
The tree branches on Wheeleys are a bit low but still not a big issue. The bus wouldn't be allocated if it was unsafe. It's a good excuse for those drivers who will find any reason to cut mileage.
Very well done to the driver of 6888 for standing up to fare dodger, shame they more than likely just got the bus behind. Where is the incentive for these people to buy a ticket when they can just get on another bus. Bring back inspectors and see the change!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 20, 2018, 10:41:41 AM
Very well done to the driver of 6888 for standing up to fare dodger, shame they more than likely just got the bus behind. Where is the incentive for these people to buy a ticket when they can just get on another bus. Bring back inspectors and see the change!
Bring back inspectors? - What are you on about again. There are more revenue inspectors now than ever in the history of buses in this area.
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Bring back inspectors? - What are you on about again. There are more revenue inspectors now than ever in the history of buses in this area.
Just keep them on buses then, there's no point in having them at few bus stops whilst majority can go between stops without question
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 20, 2018, 10:57:09 AM
Just keep them on buses then, there's no point in having them at few bus stops whilst majority can go between stops without question
You haven't a clue have you?
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2018, 11:07:17 AM
You haven't a clue have you?
Wonder what the figures for fare dodgers are then. You claim you get more and more money each year through revenue inspectors, yet I bet the potential amount is significantly higher
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 20, 2018, 12:05:07 PM
Wonder what the figures for fare dodgers are then. You claim you get more and more money each year through revenue inspectors, yet I bet the potential amount is significantly higher
Of course the potential amount is higher, but you are never going to get it all without checking every bus at every bus stop.
Inspectors riding on buses discourages fare dodging, but doesn't get many fines issued, so doesn't cover the inspectors costs so easily.
4179 now has advert removed
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2018, 03:50:30 PM
4179 now has advert removed
Bashed 4179 on an outbound 14 yesterday, absolutely hellfire...plenty of power and made all the right noises. 18years old and not a single rattle. True quality units.
The worn Red Bull advert gave it some character.
As a side note....do BC run their Euro 4 Tridents on a Saturday?
Quote from: twb1979 on April 20, 2018, 06:22:52 PM
Bashed 4179 on an outbound 14 yesterday, absolutely hellfire...plenty of power and made all the right noises. 18years old and not a single rattle. True quality units.
The worn Red Bull advert gave it some character.
As a side note....do BC run their Euro 4 Tridents on a Saturday?
17 years old actually.
BC send them out on Saturdays yes.
@twb1979
Cheers
@Jack and all...what would be the best routes to find 4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4179, 4180, 4181 and 4185 on a Sat?
Quote from: twb1979 on April 20, 2018, 06:49:35 PM
Cheers @Jack and all...what would be the best routes to find 4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4179, 4180, 4181 and 4185 on a Sat?
They are often found on the 14.
97 would be another possibility.
Quote from: twb1979 on April 20, 2018, 06:49:35 PM
Cheers @Jack and all...what would be the best routes to find 4148, 4166, 4172, 4176, 4177, 4179, 4180, 4181 and 4185 on a Sat?
4180 & 4181 are now at YW so any YW route really apart from town routes as these are only euro 3
@twb1979
Quote from: 2206 on April 20, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
They are often found on the 14.
97 would be another possibility.
4181 is euro 3 aswell.
4180/1 aren't Euro 4 and are at Yardley Wood.
The 14 and 60 are your best bets. Also the 63 has them, as it's a mix of Hybrids, E400's and Tridents. 97 is another route you might find them one, sometimes they do the Pershore Road and the X70.
@twb1979
Cheers
@Jack @2206 and
@Squiz1971... I'll keep my eyes open for 4148/66/72/76/77/79 and 85 tomorrow, does BC have any other re-engined Tridents?
Quote from: twb1979 on April 20, 2018, 07:07:24 PM
Cheers @Jack @2206 and @Squiz1971... I'll keep my eyes open for 4148/66/72/76/77/79 and 85 tomorrow, does BC have any other re-engined Tridents?
Those are the re-engined Voith ones.
BC have 4619/4633/4 which are the re-engined ZF's which are real beasts!
@twb1979
Quote from: Jack on April 20, 2018, 07:09:40 PM
Those are the re-engined Voith ones.
BC have 4619/4633/4 which are the engined ZF's which are real beasts! @twb1979
All buses are engined, or they don't go at all
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2018, 07:36:54 PM
All buses are engined, or they don't go at all
Think he means the Euro 4 engined ones.
Quote from: Jack on April 20, 2018, 07:46:12 PM
Think he means the Euro 4 engined ones.
He's on about your post!
Just curious as to what purpose 4879 will be operating on the AG running board of the 76?
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 04, 2018, 03:47:38 PM
Just curious as to what purpose 4879 will be operating on the AG running board of the 76?
I have a feeling I know who's gonna be driving it lol
Quote from: MW on May 04, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
I have a feeling I know who's gonna be driving it lol
You'll be correct (it's not me, although I will be driving it at lunchtime for a photo shoot in Birmingham city centre)
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2018, 04:38:32 PM
You'll be correct (it's not me, although I will be driving it at lunchtime for a photo shoot in Birmingham city centre)
what time & whete will it be driving in city thanks
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2018, 04:38:32 PM
You'll be correct (it's not me, although I will be driving it at lunchtime for a photo shoot in Birmingham city centre)
So what is the purpose of it operating on the 76? Something to do with the QE?
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 04, 2018, 04:49:24 PM
So what is the purpose of it operating on the 76? Something to do with the QE?
Driver probably requested it
Quote from: Solo1 on May 04, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
what time & whete will it be driving in city thanks
That depends on TfWM who want it photographed with some of their pride flags, and I don't know where they are yet
Quote from: Kevin on May 04, 2018, 05:07:18 PM
Driver probably requested it
So if there's a bus painted up different from another garage in the future I can request it for my 45 and 47?
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 04, 2018, 09:02:07 PM
So if there's a bus painted up different from another garage in the future I can request it for my 45 and 47?
Strangely he is right, the bus has photoshoots on Tuesday & Wednesday so will be parked in AG overnight, so the driver of 76-09 asked if he could use it!
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2018, 09:55:07 PM
Strangely he is right, the bus has photoshoots on Tuesday & Wednesday so will be parked in AG overnight, so the driver of 76-09 asked if he could use it!
Seems strange that a Driver at such a large organisation can 'pick and choose' what he drives?
Quote from: Straightlines on May 04, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Seems strange that a Driver at such a large organisation can 'pick and choose' what he drives?
While it is at AG it might as well be used and the driver who does 76-09 is one of a very few type trained on Enviro 400s
What time does 76 09 run. Thank you
Quote from: Solo1 on May 04, 2018, 10:55:08 PM
What time does 76 09 run. Thank you
07:45 Stratford Road, Sandy Hill Road, Shirley till 08:31 QE Hospital.
Ok thanks
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
While it is at AG it might as well be used and the driver who does 76-09 is one of a very few type trained on Enviro 400s
No disrespect to the driver, but if something happened to the bus while it was in normal passenger service, then your publicity is rather fff'ed, isn't it rather?
Where are the photo shoots on Tuesday and Wednesday?
@Tony
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 05, 2018, 06:43:54 PM
Where are the photo shoots on Tuesday and Wednesday? @Tony
I've no idea
On Tuesday it is something AG have organised and on Wednesday I have to take it to 16 Summer Lane for instructions
4179 has had an offside ad removed, red bull I think?
The ad has took some of the paint off with it.
4179 is on the 14 today. Looks rather tatty at the minute.
Quote from: 2206 on May 08, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
4179 has had an offside ad removed, red bull I think?
The ad has took some of the paint off with it.
4179 is on the 14 today. Looks rather tatty at the minute.
Yes 4179's all over ad (Red Bull) has been taken off since 20th April.
@2206 It does look the worst for wear, when I saw it last week.
94C is now operated by Perry Barr. This mornings is operated by a 7000 series Scania
Quote from: Brummie45 on May 09, 2018, 07:55:27 AM
94C is now operated by Perry Barr. This mornings is operated by a 7000 series Scalia.
Scalia? Presume that means Scania.
Jack yes Scania not Scalia. Sorry iPad predictive text.
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 11, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
Tridents aren't exactly that rare.
It is noteworthy.
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 11, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
Tridents aren't exactly that rare.
E400 and B7RLE aren't rare. Tridents are noteworthy.
Quote from: Jack on May 11, 2018, 07:14:32 PM
E400 and B7RLE aren't rare. Tridents are noteworthy.
Not really. You get all sorts on all of the Harborne routes. I don't really think there is anything noteworthy on those.
6876 came out with "Rutters Meadow" when approaching the Serpentine Road stop in Harborne, not even sure where that is!
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 12, 2018, 06:54:20 AM
6876 came out with "Rutters Meadow" when approaching the Serpentine Road stop in Harborne, not even sure where that is!
I had one announcement
should* Romsley Road as we were approaching Municipal Offices city-bound! I suppose it was just a glitch; it corrected itself once the doors opened. The bus itself was changing from a 22 to a 23.
*shouted, that should say
Quote from: CL on May 12, 2018, 07:54:53 AM
I had one announcement should Romsley Road as we were approaching Municipal Offices city-bound! I suppose it was just a glitch; it corrected itself once the doors opened. The bus itself was changing from a 22 to a 23.
The random announcements definitely occur when the service number has just been changed. Often in the mornings the drivers change from a 22 to a 23 or vice versa at the ICC and the next announcement is 'Woodside Way'. Re 6876, Rutters Meadow is in Woodgate Valley North - was this a 29 journey that interworks with the 24 and the driver changed number very early?
Either that or 6876 has Tourette's.
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2018, 10:00:06 AM
The random announcements definitely occur when the service number has just been changed. Often in the mornings the drivers change from a 22 to a 23 or vice versa at the ICC and the next announcement is 'Woodside Way'. Re 6876, Rutters Meadow is in Woodgate Valley North - was this a 29 journey that interworks with the 24 and the driver changed number very early?
Either that or 6876 has Tourette's.
Yes it did change to a 24... on Great Charles Street though! It did then correct itself when we stopped at Serpentine Road.
They do tend to play up when changing routes though you're right. Or even just changing the display from outbound to inbound etc.
4166 on the 63 today.
Quote from: WMT3000 on May 12, 2018, 01:20:58 PM
4166 on the 63 today.
Is it noteworthy to have Tridents on the 63 now?
Quote from: Jack on May 12, 2018, 03:22:44 PM
Is it noteworthy to have Tridents on the 63 now?
If it was particularly noteworthy, i would have posted it in Noteworthy Workings. It's about time, Jack, that you stopped posting these condescending (sorry if you need a dictionary) "What do you know?" responses. People like you and angry Dom are ruining this forum. It's a real shame you've got nothing better to do than reply to other people's posts all day without actually saying anything constructive whatsoever. Incidentally, in case you hadn't noticed, there's now a branded group of non-tridents for the 63. If you look up from your screen, actually travel on a bus in Birmingham, you might even be lucky enough to see one.
Quote from: WMT3000 on May 13, 2018, 07:34:32 AM
If it was particularly noteworthy, i would have posted it in Noteworthy Workings. It's about time, Jack, that you stopped posting these condescending (sorry if you need a dictionary) "What do you know?" responses. People like you and angry Dom are ruining this forum. It's a real shame you've got nothing better to do than reply to other people's posts all day without actually saying anything constructive whatsoever. Incidentally, in case you hadn't noticed, there's now a branded group of non-tridents for the 63. If you look up from your screen, actually travel on a bus in Birmingham, you might even be lucky enough to see one.
Take a bow son
@WMT3000 ! It's so true!
What's going on?
Just seen 3 Platinum Enviro's in Allesley
One unbranded went towards Coventry as if on the X1 but on 'Private hire'
Second parked up seemingly NIS with mechanic at Neale Ave
And 6854 on actually on the X1.
The X1 was definitely affected by a broken down bus. I exited the front door of the airport at 12:15 and did not reach The Swan at Yardley til 13:30. Longer than the flight. The driver was getting some unwarranted criticism of the service from some passengers.
On a related matter the bus infrastructure at the airport really does not match the quality of the vehicles. Shelters covered in rust and a next to useless digital display which shows timetabled times rather than real-time. My phone was dead so I did not have the real time app available, if I had have done I'd have taken another route.
Quote from: cardew on May 21, 2018, 02:50:58 PM
The X1 was definitely affected by a broken down bus. I exited the front door of the airport at 12:15 and did not reach The Swan at Yardley til 13:30. Longer than the flight. The driver was getting some unwarranted criticism of the service from some passengers.
On a related matter the bus infrastructure at the airport really does not match the quality of the vehicles. Shelters covered in rust and a next to useless digital display which shows timetabled times rather than real-time. My phone was dead so I did not have the real time app available, if I had have done I'd have taken another route.
Thanks for the service info. Surprised to hear such a new vehicle broke down.
As for the bus stops at Birmingham Airport, not that I fly but on occasion I've been I prefer waiting for a bus at International station. Not much better but I prefer it being an enclosed building.
I don't know whether the airport stops are airport responsibility or TfWM but they could do with a bit of TLC. Might be worth reporting.
The X12 stop is real time
Forgot it even it existed but I saw a 97P yesterday. Is this still usual to see? Haven't seen one for a very long time!
Quote from: Jack on May 28, 2018, 02:26:00 PM
Forgot it even it existed but I saw a 97P yesterday. Is this still usual to see? Haven't seen one for a very long time!
Quote from: Justin Tyme on March 17, 2018, 08:41:57 PM
I think advertised 97P workings disappeared some time ago, but the 97P display evidently still exists is used for the occasional (presumably unscheduled) short working to Pine Square.
I've just been on a 22, which stopped in Harborne to allow a wheelchair-bound passenger onboard.
I'm not quite sure how it's activated, whether through the cab, or more likely the wheelchair request button on the exterior of the bus - but the following message then played: (or somewhere along the lines of)
"Your attention please! A customer who requires the wheelchair area is about to board. Please vacate this space to allow them to travel safely."
Not sure if anyone else has heard this message being played. Just thought I'd mention it.
Quote from: CL on June 05, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
I've just been on a 22, which stopped in Harborne to allow a wheelchair-bound passenger onboard.
I'm not quite sure how it's activated, whether through the cab, or more likely the wheelchair request button on the exterior of the bus - but the following message then played: (or somewhere along the lines of)
"Your attention please! A customer who requires the wheelchair area is about to board. Please vacate this space to allow them to travel safely."
Not sure if anyone else has heard this message being played. Just thought I'd mention it.
A button in the cab. On the MMCs. Never seen it used though
Quote from: John on June 05, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
A button in the cab. On the MMCs. Never seen it used though
Ah, alright. Well that was very short mystery, then. :P Case closed! ;)
Thanks, John
We got them on 3302/5 it's a button in the cab
Hi, can anyone confirm if the board that works the x1 to airport at 08.20 from city will go on to work the 17.43 x1 from Coventry this evening. Thank you
Quote from: 37351ml on June 06, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
Hi, can anyone confirm if the board that works the x1 to airport at 08.20 from city will go on to work the 17.43 x1 from Coventry this evening. Thank you
No. Back in garage at 10am
4611 on the 22/23
4879 is on 60 if anyone wants it
Quote from: Solo1 on June 09, 2018, 10:05:39 AM
4879 is on 60 if anyone wants it
@Tony Will 4879 still be out on the 60 after 7pm?
National exprsss coach parked up in BC depot any idea why it's there for?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 11, 2018, 11:13:10 PM
National exprsss coach parked up in BC depot any idea why it's there for?
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2018, 07:42:58 PM
When I got to Sipson Road 114 was easier to get out so Coventry have had that one instead. 116 will now go to BC
Not sure if that would answer your question; but this reply in the Vehicle Transfers thread confirms that it's transferred there.
@Solo1 I'm guessing it goes on any decker route. It's a noteworthy working in the sense that's it's an E400 on the 97 which is why I posted. I forgot the fleet number as i was posting although I probably could have had a better look as I boarded the bus.
6835 has already had its X61 branding removed and is on the 24 today.
Quote from: Mike K on June 22, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
6835 has already had its X61 branding removed and is on the 24 today.
Can corroborate, have just seen it at the Wesleyan
Pride Bus 4879 has just gone down War Lane, Harborne, with 'Little Bears Detective Club' on the destination display.
Not seen that destination mentioned yet in the South Birmingham changes.
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Pride Bus 4879 has just gone down War Lane, Harborne, with 'Little Bears Detective Club' on the destination display.
Not seen that destination mentioned yet in the South Birmingham changes.
It would've been coming from the Acocks Green open day, as it was parked up inside on display for most of the day.
Quote from: StourValley98 on June 23, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
It would've been coming from the Acocks Green open day, as it was parked up inside on display for most of the day.
Looked like it was possibly on its way to take over service from another bus as it was heading out of Harborne towards Woodgate / Bartley Green, driven by an engineer when I saw it.
@Ian Hardy, spare Platinum E400 MMC's are usual on the 60.
The NXWM Google Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/162Cm_RG7_yomLkV_m7WBwHlsMI77R0-CpoJz3FdTjSM/edit#gid=0
does not list E400MMCs as also commonly used, that is why I reported it, perhaps the spreadsheet needs updating to reflect this?
Ian
Quote from: Ian Hardy on June 23, 2018, 08:39:33 PM
The NXWM Google Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/162Cm_RG7_yomLkV_m7WBwHlsMI77R0-CpoJz3FdTjSM/edit#gid=0
does not list E400MMCs as also commonly used, that is why I reported it, perhaps the spreadsheet needs updating to reflect this?
Ian
I'm pretty sure it use to, it does need updating then, E400 MMC's are common and majority of the buses on the Sunday allocation are MMC's.
Quote from: Jack on June 23, 2018, 08:52:55 PM
I'm pretty sure it use to, it does need updating then, E400 MMC's are common and majority of the buses on the Sunday allocation are MMC's.
You a time traveler. It's saturday not Sunday
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 23, 2018, 09:38:18 PM
You a time traveler. It's saturday not Sunday
Much need in your pointless post? Also it's
traveller not 'traveler'.
Saturday's see's a few MMC's on the 60 from my observations then again as does Mon-Fri. Sunday's the whole allocation is MMC, use to be E400.
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Pride Bus 4879 has just gone down War Lane, Harborne, with 'Little Bears Detective Club' on the destination display.
Not seen that destination mentioned yet in the South Birmingham changes.
It ended up on the X61 this evening. So I suspect it was a change bus.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 23, 2018, 10:45:42 PM
It ended up on the X61 this evening. So I suspect it was a change bus.
I find it quite interesting that a bus was at a open day for the most part of the day (Give or take), was used as a change bus. I assume as it was "out" and a bus needed changing, it made more sense to send a bus thats probably more nearer and already out to the scene as opposed to starting something and sending it out.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 23, 2018, 11:24:34 PM
I find it quite interesting that a bus was at a open day for the most part of the day (Give or take), was used as a change bus. I assume as it was "out" and a bus needed changing, it made more sense to send a bus thats probably more nearer and already out to the scene as opposed to starting something and sending it out.
I think what would have happened is that it returned back to BC and was probably conveniently parked next to the exit, and seeing as it's a Saturday, would already have had a VCR and it's walk around check done and therefore more practical to send out. It wouldn't have been sent from AG, if that's what you mean, as it would have been a BC engineer driving it to wait with/repair the broken bus.
I had something similar occur at a Reading Buses open day a few years ago.
I caught a rail replacement bus from Reading West to Reading, Morton's were one of the operators and they used their preserved ex Reading Buses Optare Vecta M957VWY on the service.
When I got to the Reading Buses depot, parked in the historical display was M957VWY.
Well at least Morton's got part of the run from their depot at Little London into Reading paid for by First Great Western.
Ian Hardy
6837 is now also minus its X61 branding.
Maybe the first formal notification we'll have of the service changes is when buses start appearing with 23/24 or X22 etc branding...
Quote from: Mike K on June 25, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
6837 is now also minus its X61 branding.
Maybe the first formal notification we'll have of the service changes is when buses start appearing with 23/24 or X22 etc branding...
I fully expect people to be waiting on the Harborne Park Road for a 29 that won't be showing up...
Quote from: Mike K on June 25, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
6837 is now also minus its X61 branding.
Maybe the first formal notification we'll have of the service changes is when buses start appearing with 23/24 or X22 etc branding...
6836 has lost the X61 branding as well.
reinstated reserve fleet vehicle 4183 is back out in use at BC today. It's not tracking as it is still in the system as a YW bus from its last stint. Appears to have done a school from Cranes park
6839 now lost its X61 branding, on the 24.
4944 turned up in Coleshill this afternoon still displaying X70 Chelmsley Wood, despite going to Birmingham,
it seemed to confuse quite a few passengers, with quite a few asking if its going to Birmingham at Coleshill Parkway,
a fairly large group of passengers at the Chelmsley Wood stand on Coleshill Parkway tried to flag it down and looked quite annoyed as it drove past them, the driver must have realised after that as it said X70 Birmingham when I got of.
6840 seems debranded from the X61 on the soon to be extinct 29E
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 03, 2018, 11:37:29 PM
6840 seems debranded from the X61 on the soon to be extinct 29E
They've all been debranded.
Quote from: Dom on July 04, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
They've all been debranded.
R.I.P X61 4/12/16 - 21/7/18
You was taken from us far to early, but you are remembered with great affection.
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 04, 2018, 03:58:17 PM
R.I.P X61 4/12/16 - 21/7/18
You was taken from us far to early, but you are remembered with great affection.
True words! A bit more commitment and it wouldn't be going!
I'll miss the X61 - I honestly think it's a mistake getting rid
I would love to understand how they arrive at some of the decisions they make.
If this thing about introducing a congestion charge within the Birmingham Middle Ring Road (A4540) happens, what will this mean for the future of Birmingham Central garage? In terms of staff driving to work? Will the garage be relocated? If not, I can't see this garage being popular with staff, in terms of commuting.
Perhaps I'm a bit late to the party but have all the latest Platinums had the micro hybrid conversion already?
Quote from: Kevin on July 10, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
Perhaps I'm a bit late to the party but have all the latest Platinums had the micro hybrid conversion already?
No - from the small visible telltale signs (unless this has changed and I stand to be corrected) there are still only 6855 and 6856 that have been done.
Quote from: Mike K on July 10, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
No - from the small visible telltale signs (unless this has changed and I stand to be corrected) there are still only 6855 and 6856 that have been done.
A few more have been done in the 688* series.
Quote from: Gareth on July 10, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
A few more have been done in the 688* series.
Interesting - I never knew that - I'll have to keep an eye out for those.
Not sure where to post this but just seen the 851 Green Bus on the Harborne Road displaying 'It's coming home'. Brilliant.
Quote from: Mike K on July 10, 2018, 07:48:20 PM
Interesting - I never knew that - I'll have to keep an eye out for those.
I noticed 6868 also being one of those having gained the additional vents on the far side. Noted on Monday.
The first new Harborne branding being done today.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
The first new Harborne branding being done today.
Just seen a picture on Facebook. It's branded for the 23 and 24.
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 11, 2018, 01:44:43 PM
Just seen a picture on Facebook. It's branded for the 23 and 24.
Anyone have a link or could post a picture? Thanks
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2018, 04:48:50 PM
Anyone have a link or could post a picture? Thanks
Credit to the photographer.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
The first new Harborne branding being done today.
Do we know which batch of MMCs will be branded?
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2018, 05:43:10 PM
Do we know which batch of MMCs will be branded?
The earlier SN67's for 23/24 it would appear. Presumably the latter end of that batch will gain X22 branding, and the ex X61s will be the X20s as per my original prediction.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
The earlier SN67's for 23/24 it would appear. Presumably the latter end of that batch will gain X22 branding, and the ex X61s will be the X20s as per my original prediction.
X20 and X22 interwork, at least in the evenings and on Sundays, possibly at other times too (haven't bothered to check) so joint QE branding would be more likely for these routes.
Quote from: Mike K on July 11, 2018, 05:55:06 PM
X20 and X22 interwork, at least in the evenings and on Sundays, possibly at other times too (haven't bothered to check) so joint QE branding would be more likely for these routes.
It would seem a bit of a slap in the face if they highlight the QE too much considering the routes won't really be stopping at the QE!
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 06:03:37 PM
It would seem a bit of a slap in the face if they highlight the QE too much considering the routes won't really be stopping at the QE!
They are only stopping a minutes walk away (just round the corner).
There is a path from the University Station to the QE entrance, a minutes walk.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.4513614,-1.9409674/University+Station+(Stop+QD),+Birmingham+B15+2FG/@52.4512568,-1.9389504,17z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bdc9cd24d3d5:0x2ea0a64abaa0154a!2m2!1d-1.938355!2d52.451229
Just about anyone should be able to manage that.
I don't really see how anyone can complain about that.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 07:18:23 PM
They are only stopping a minutes walk away (just round the corner).
There is a path from the University Station to the QE entrance, a minutes walk.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.4513614,-1.9409674/University+Station+(Stop+QD),+Birmingham+B15+2FG/@52.4512568,-1.9389504,17z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bdc9cd24d3d5:0x2ea0a64abaa0154a!2m2!1d-1.938355!2d52.451229
Just about anyone should be able to manage that.
I don't really see how anyone can complain about that.
I am well aware of that funnily enough... But the timetable states University station, the QE is not mentioned... My point is if a bus says QE Hospital on it, people will generally expect it to stop at the QE...
People can and will complain about it, they already are online!
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
I am well aware of that funnily enough... But the timetable states University station, the QE is not mentioned... My point is if a bus says QE Hospital on it, people will generally expect it to stop at the QE...
People can and will complain about it, they already are online!
Its only a minute walk away, just round the corner, so your complaining for the sake of it.
And they were complaining online saying buses take to long to get round there before and that they should bypass the QE, then as soon as NX move them they decide to complain saying some people will not be able to manage the walk. You can't please everybody, and it seems you are complaining for the sake of it.
Just about every one should be able to manage a minutes walk, buses don't stop outside the entrance of every single location there is, people often and already have to walk the last bit in lots of cases.
So thats what the timetable say, it doesn't change anything and it is still only a minutes walk away.
It stops close enough to the QE.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 08:12:07 PM
Its only a minute walk away, just round the corner, so your complaining for the sake of it.
And they were complaining online saying buses take to long to get round there before and that they should bypass the QE, then as soon as NX move them they decide to complain saying some people will not be able to manage the walk. You can't please everybody, and it seems you are complaining for the sake of it.
....
Alas, the public seem to think you can...
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 08:12:07 PM
Its only a minute walk away, just round the corner, so your complaining for the sake of it.
And they were complaining online saying buses take to long to get round there before and that they should bypass the QE, then as soon as NX move them they decide to complain saying some people will not be able to manage the walk. You can't please everybody, and it seems you are complaining for the sake of it.
Just about every one should be able to manage a minutes walk, buses don't stop outside the entrance of every single location there is, people often and already have to walk the last bit in lots of cases.
So thats what the timetable say, it doesn't change anything and it is still only a minutes walk away.
It stops close enough to the QE.
Have I actually complained? No.... I think you might want read things more carefully before jumping into an argument.
The timetable reference is a perfectly valid point btw if it says university station on the timetable then they are surely less likely to emphasise the QE on the branding, seeing as that's actually what was being debated, nothing to do with distances or paths.... Before sniping try and think about what people are saying.
On that note it would actually be a good suggestion there for NX perhaps a little (change here for QE hospital) would be a good idea on the timetable, seeing as people from all over the West Midlands get referrals to the QE for various reasons.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 08:35:58 PM
Have I actually complained? No.... I think you might want read things more carefully before jumping into an argument.
The timetable reference is a perfectly valid point btw if it says university station on the timetable then they are surely less likely to emphasise the QE on the branding, seeing as that's actually what was being debated, nothing to do with distances or paths.... Before sniping try and think about what people are saying.
On that note it would actually be a good suggestion there for NX perhaps a little (change here for QE hospital) would be a good idea on the timetable, seeing as people from all over the West Midlands get referrals to the QE for various reasons.
I did read what you said and I don't see the problem with advertising it goes to the QE when it stops so close to it.
There's no need to change buses when its only a 1 minute walk away!
By the time you could have waited 20 -30 minutes for the 48, you'd have walked it.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
I did read what you said.
There's no need to change buses when its only a 1 minute walk away!
By the time you could have waited 20 -30 minutes for the 48, you'd have walked it.
I didn't mean change onto another bus for crying out loud I meant change as in alight... Some people ::)
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 09:18:13 PM
I did read what you said and I don't see the problem with advertising it goes to the QE when it stops so close to it.
There's no need to change buses when its only a 1 minute walk away!
By the time you could have waited 20 -30 minutes for the 48, you'd have walked it.
For some people it may not take a minute walk, like an elderly person who isn't very fast and could take over a minute to walk it.
I agree, a simple 'Change here for the QE Hospital' on the Platinums wouldn't go amiss.
Quote from: Jack on July 11, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
For some people it may not take a minute walk, like an elderly person who isn't very fast and could take over a minute to walk it.
I agree, a simple 'Change here for the QE Hospital' on the Platinums wouldn't go amiss.
But they should still manage.
The bus more than likely didn't stop directly outside the destination where they were coming from either.
If they can't manage it then that's what the ring and ride is for.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 09:29:07 PM
But they should still manage.
The bus more than likely won't stop outside where they got on either.
If they can't manage it then thats what the ring and ride is for.
What an appalling thing to say.
If a route is advertised to serve a certain place, than it should serve that place, simple as that really.
4906 is missing part of its branding for the 45/47, will the branding be tweaked to include Longbridge?
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
What an appalling thing to say.
No its not, what I mean is, the X20 is not a door to door service, if its a door to door service you want then thats what ring and ride is for. Ring and Ride is a door to door service.
Its a 1 minute walk, only 1 minute, just a few steps, there are very few who wouldn't be able to manage to move such a short distance, if it was longer then i'd understand.
The bus doesn't pick them up from the door of there home they have to walk to the bus stop, its exactly the same thing they have to walk from the bus stop to the door of the hospital.
And even if anyone can't manage that there is a door to door service in place for that (ring and ride), to help them to get about, as in that circumstance they'd clearly find public transport inaccessible.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 06:03:37 PM
It would seem a bit of a slap in the face if they highlight the QE too much considering the routes won't really be stopping at the QE!
Your complaining that it won't be stopping at the QE, when they're only stopping round the corner.
Its not a door to door service.
At Heartlands Hospital the 28/73/97 don't drop you of at the door of the hospital and you have to walk down to the entrance and everyone seems to manage that fine. You certainly don't see people complaining about it, as it only takes a minute.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 09:39:47 PM
What an appalling thing to say.
I agree - so disgraceful and appalling that all the elderly have to rely on Ring and Ride as it's door to door...
All current route brandings have places where buses serve and do go through these places advertised. Passengers will expect buses to go to these places; and they may not want to walk even if it's one minute away from a place, they would want to arrive and get off right there. As for the Q.E Hospital, it's up to people if they want to get off couple of stops before the bus stops in the interchange at the Hospital and walk, fine. Although, a number of passengers will expect the buses to go to the interchange at the Q.E Hospital. Or else, there would be disgruntled passengers asking drivers "Err... Why are you not going to the Q.E?" and they may write their frustrations on National Express West Midlands Facebook page or through the complaints procedure on the NXbus website.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 10:07:55 PM
No its not, what I mean is, the X20 is not a door to door service, if its a door to door service you want then thats what ring and ride is for. Ring and Ride is a door to door service.
Its a 1 minute walk, only 1 minute, just a few steps, there are very few who wouldn't be able to manage to move such a short distance, if it was longer then i'd understand.
The bus doesn't pick them up from the door of there home they have to walk to the bus stop, its exactly the same thing they have to walk from the bus stop to the door of the hospital.
And even if anyone can't manage that there is a door to door service in place for that (ring and ride), to help them to get about, as in that circumstance they'd clearly find public transport inaccessible.
Your complaining that it won't be stopping at the QE, when they're only stopping round the corner.
Its not a door to door service.
At Heartlands Hospital the 28/73/97 don't drop you of at the door of the hospital and you have to walk down to the entrance and everyone seems to manage that fine. You certainly don't see people complaining about it, as it only takes a minute.
Well I wasn't going to go down this road at all but seeing as you won't let it drop.....
Ring and ride which is a service primarily aimed at local older people? A service which the majority of standard bus users know nothing about? Don't be so absurd, it is not always possible to book a ring and ride anyway. Very few people who won't manage? You don't know then that Many military personnel have to visit the QE too, ex troops who may have missing limbs for example and on the ground floor behind the blood test clinic there is a section where they deal with people who have arthritis or joint problems. I know from experience that MANY of those are not elderly or "old", people for who every step means constant pain, so yes what to you may be a 1 minute walk (never going to happen btw while you're waiting for the crossing) for them is 10 minutes of slow pain. So yes I do find your comment appalling that so many people should just accept it because of the Ring and Ride, it is judgemental and ignorant... That is without all the people who get referred for X rays who don't even know why they are in pain! You are missing the point too that people catch the X64 and 98 from the outer residential edges too, not just the city centre. I see loads of people changing from their local bus in Northfield onto the 98. The fact is most people will not get ring and ride if the bus is no longer convenient, a lot will just put up with it, but the obvious option for most people for who it means struggling and pain is to take a taxi, thus the problem with the road being blocked is just staggered even more.
How the heck am I complaining? I made an OBSERVATION.... I couldn't care less if it goes the quicker way in fact I personally would welcome it as it means faster through journeys for me, but for some reason you are twisting everything I say to make it seem like I have said this route change is a bad thing... I was making a point regarding Branding not routing... As I said try reading what people say PROPERLY before going in all cocky because you look foolish. ::)
Well, the WMR announcements say "University, for the QE Hospital"... So, I think branding that says for the QE is more than acceptable and justified!
I can't tell you how glad I am that certain buses won't be getting caught up in that awful system right outside the QE. The stops outside the university station are more than adequate, and I'm afraid if people are complaining they can't do the walk, they should be thinking of getting a taxi.
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on July 12, 2018, 12:07:37 AM
Well, the WMR announcements say "University, for the QE Hospital"... So, I think branding that says for the QE is more than acceptable and justified!
I can't tell you how glad I am that certain buses won't be getting caught up in that awful system right outside the QE. The stops outside the university station are more than adequate, and I'm afraid if people are complaining they can't do the walk, they should be thinking of getting a taxi.
The railways nearly always have a walk of some kind though, that is expected. With local Buses people expect buses to properly serve where they are branded for. I'd personally say the Branding would be acceptable if the QE didn't already have a closer bus interchange, that's where I see the confusion coming from. If you're travelling from town then by the time you realise your bus is carrying on, it's too late because you're half way to Selly Oak. That is also why the Heartlands argument above is irrelevant as the buses all still stop in the same place together and you don't need to worry.
I will say this though the last thing the QE needs is more taxis, although not everyone using the bus can afford them anyway!
I'm amazed it's even been allowed to come to this, the people running the hospital, and the council, could have nipped this problem in the bud by now but instead just do nothing. I do wonder how long the current road layout will last though now, surely this has got to serve (I really hope it does) as a wake up call that things are not working.
In regards to the branding on 6858, it looks a little sparse to me. Perhaps it's because it's not completed yet? One thing's for sure, at least it's not green. :P
A little ambitious, but I'd have liked to have seen a different colour scheme. Red's nice, but it's already been featured on the X12. My colour of choice would've been orange. Tacky, maybe, but orange as a nod to the old 'Network Harborne' branding; one that I was too young to remember, but have seen in photographs...
Just my twopence.
Additionally, a query: Any chance that we'll see any branded examples out in service within the next week? I'm flying off on (quite a long) holiday very soon, and I'd like to have an opportunity to get some photos if/while I can. Thanks. :)
Quote from: CL on July 12, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
In regards to the branding on 6858, it looks a little sparse to me. Perhaps it's because it's not completed yet? One thing's for sure, at least it's not green. :P
A little ambitious, but I'd have liked to have seen a different colour scheme. Red's nice, but it's already been featured on the X12. My colour of choice would've been orange. Tacky, maybe, but orange as a nod to the old 'Network Harborne' branding; one that I was too young to remember, but have seen in photographs...
Just my twopence.
Additionally, a query: Any chance that we'll see any branded examples out in service within the next week? I'm flying off on (quite a long) holiday very soon, and I'd like to have an opportunity to get some photos if/while I can. Thanks. :)
Well Network Harborne is practically no more anyway.
As far as the branding goes, I saw it out on the 24 today.
Quote from: Jack on July 11, 2018, 09:27:36 PM
For some people it may not take a minute walk, like an elderly person who isn't very fast and could take over a minute to walk it.
I agree, a simple 'Change here for the QE Hospital' on the Platinums wouldn't go amiss.
Won't work for the X21 though will it.
Thanks,
@MasterPlan - and true, lol
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 11, 2018, 11:49:43 PM
All current route brandings have places where buses serve and do go through these places advertised. Passengers will expect buses to go to these places; and they may not want to walk even if it's one minute away from a place, they would want to arrive and get off right there. As for the Q.E Hospital, it's up to people if they want to get off couple of stops before the bus stops in the interchange at the Hospital and walk, fine. Although, a number of passengers will expect the buses to go to the interchange at the Q.E Hospital. Or else, there would be disgruntled passengers asking drivers "Err... Why are you not going to the Q.E?" and they may write their frustrations on National Express West Midlands Facebook page or through the complaints procedure on the NXbus website.
But it is only dropping them of round the corner, its only a minutes walk away, its not like they're being dropped of miles away.
There were loads of complaints previously saying that it shouldn't stop there and should bypass it because it takes to long to get round there, then when NX decide not to stop there you get loads of complaints saying people won't be able to manage the walk. How do you please both groups of people.
You can't. You can't please everyone
Those disgrunted passengers who complain would mostly just people being lazy if they don't want to walk it.
Yes they currently get dropped of at the front door with the 98/X64.
But the 28/73/97 at Heartlands don't drop you of at the front door of the entrance you have to walk down to the front door and i've never seen people complaigning about that.
Its a bit like saying I can't get the 37 to the Bullring because that doesn't go there and stops a minutes walk away.
Other than a few comments on here i've never heard anyone complain about there buses no longer stopping on Corporation Street either, because generally most people can manage the extra minutes walk.
Or the 11 doesn't go to the shops in Acocks Green because I have to have a minutes walk down.
Given the proximity between the Station and the QE, they are still serving the QE.
Just saw one of them branded for the 23/24 - it's on the 29 currently...
Don't know if it's the finished article, but if so, simply describe it as bland.... Very bland.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 11, 2018, 11:51:45 PM
Well I wasn't going to go down this road at all but seeing as you won't let it drop.....
Ring and ride which is a service primarily aimed at local older people? A service which the majority of standard bus users know nothing about? Don't be so absurd, it is not always possible to book a ring and ride anyway. Very few people who won't manage? You don't know then that Many military personnel have to visit the QE too, ex troops who may have missing limbs for example and on the ground floor behind the blood test clinic there is a section where they deal with people who have arthritis or joint problems. I know from experience that MANY of those are not elderly or "old", people for who every step means constant pain, so yes what to you may be a 1 minute walk (never going to happen btw while you're waiting for the crossing) for them is 10 minutes of slow pain. So yes I do find your comment appalling that so many people should just accept it because of the Ring and Ride, it is judgemental and ignorant... That is without all the people who get referred for X rays who don't even know why they are in pain! You are missing the point too that people catch the X64 and 98 from the outer residential edges too, not just the city centre. I see loads of people changing from their local bus in Northfield onto the 98. The fact is most people will not get ring and ride if the bus is no longer convenient, a lot will just put up with it, but the obvious option for most people for who it means struggling and pain is to take a taxi, thus the problem with the road being blocked is just staggered even more.
How the heck am I complaining? I made an OBSERVATION.... I couldn't care less if it goes the quicker way in fact I personally would welcome it as it means faster through journeys for me, but for some reason you are twisting everything I say to make it seem like I have said this route change is a bad thing... I was making a point regarding Branding not routing... As I said try reading what people say PROPERLY before going in all cocky because you look foolish. ::)
The majority of standard bus users seem well aware of the ring and ride service to me, you see enough of them to be aware of the service just by that and its advertised on every stop.
"The service is ideal for:
anyone suffering from a temporary injury (such as a broken leg, a sprain, a sports injury or recovering from an operation);
young and elderly people who find it difficult to use public transport;
disabled people who want the convenience of a door-to-door service."
It seems to me they could use it
if they wanted to.Well how do they manage to get from there house to the bus stop in the first place, unless they have a bus stop positioned outside there house (not everyone will), then there'd be some kind of a walk involved. Its exactly the same thing they have to walk 1 minute from there house to the bus stop, then they have to walk 1 minute to the doors of the hospital.
Its not a door to door service so you can hardly expect to be picked up from your door and dropped of outside your door as you seem to think.
If they are struggling to get to the bus stop surely they'd be using the alternative option anyway at the minute.
Though I think "Alight here for the QE Hospital" would be suitable, to let people know thats the stop they want if they are unsure where to get of.
The University station stops are classed as part of the QE interchange as far as the maps dictate
Genuinely can't believe people are arguing about this, it's well known that the interchange regularly descends into chaos, so surely stopping at the station is the best way for a service through from the city to still call there?
Is the "X"21 stopping in the interchange, being a completely non express route?
Quote from: 2206 on July 12, 2018, 08:37:35 AM
The majority of standard bus users seem well aware of the ring and ride service to me, you see enough of them to be aware of the service just by that and its advertised on every stop.
"The service is ideal for:
anyone suffering from a temporary injury (such as a broken leg, a sprain, a sports injury or recovering from an operation);
young and elderly people who find it difficult to use public transport;
disabled people who want the convenience of a door-to-door service."
It seems to me they could use it if they wanted to.
Well how do they manage to get from there house to the bus stop in the first place, unless they have a bus stop positioned outside there house (not everyone will), then there'd be some kind of a walk involved. Its exactly the same thing they have to walk 1 minute from there house to the bus stop, then they have to walk 1 minute to the doors of the hospital.
Its not a door to door service so you can hardly expect to be picked up from your door and dropped of outside your door as you seem to think.
If they are struggling to get to the bus stop surely they'd be using the alternative option anyway at the minute.
Though I think "Alight here for the QE Hospital" would be suitable, to let people know thats the stop they want if they are unsure where to get of.
Do they really though? If you ask any average bus user what ring and ride is the usual answer will be along the lines of either I'm not sure, or "the private biddy bus" or something similar to that.
A lot of people do have a bus stop outside their house though or hail it, hence why I said people change from local buses in Northfield. I see it all the time, older people who change from the 19 onto the 98...
I can see this is like talking to Trump's wall.
As for your end point that is what I suggested first and you argued the toss with me about it, make your mind up child!
@V89MOA @2206 - Agree to disagree & move on, Winston
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on July 12, 2018, 08:25:13 AM
Just saw one of them branded for the 23/24 - it's on the 29 currently...
Don't know if it's the finished article, but if so, simply describe it as bland.... Very bland.
I'm not sure if 6858 is actually finished, there is absolutely no branding on the front end or halo which seems unusual. If it is well it's disappointing.
Quote from: Kevin on July 12, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
Is the "X"21 stopping in the interchange, being a completely non express route?
Yes it is from what I can tell. Also it looks like it will run non stop from Edgebaston Old Church to Smallbrook Queensway according to the map and stop lists.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
I'm not sure if 6858 is actually finished, there is absolutely no branding on the front end or halo which seems unusual. If it is well it's disappointing.
Yeah I thought that. It doesn't look finished. But then again why would you send it out unfinished?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 12, 2018, 12:12:52 PM
Yes it is from what I can tell. Also it looks like it will run non stop from Edgebaston Old Church to Smallbrook Queensway according to the map and stop lists.
Yeah I thought that. It doesn't look finished. But then again why would you send it out unfinished?
Could've been short of buses for the afternoon peak I guess, although it took them a couple of weeks to finish off the rears of the (4)5(1) enviros.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 12, 2018, 12:12:52 PM
Yeah I thought that. It doesn't look finished. But then again why would you send it out unfinished?
I saw 6858 this evening and I'd agree, I strongly suspect it's not finished. The giveaway is that you can still see out of the back windows - the rear is completely devoid of branding.
It is a bit plain but in some ways quite effective because of its simplicity - some of the Platinum brandings can look a bit fussy.
Regarding the location of stops for the QE, I sometimes take my wife there in a wheelchair and have used the X64 and 98. I will have no problem pushing the wheelchair to the new location but it will not be very pleasant if it is raining. However this is a new hospital and proper provision should have been made for buses. The best hospital for bus access seems to me to be University Hospital Coventry where the bus station is in the prime position and if traffic gets really difficult there are stewards to make sure the buses get priority. I don't expect to visit this hospital again now that the bendies are no more however.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 12, 2018, 07:28:20 PM
Regarding the location of stops for the QE, I sometimes take my wife there in a wheelchair and have used the X64 and 98. I will have no problem pushing the wheelchair to the new location but it will not be very pleasant if it is raining. However this is a new hospital and proper provision should have been made for buses. The best hospital for bus access seems to me to be University Hospital Coventry where the bus station is in the prime position and if traffic gets really difficult there are stewards to make sure the buses get priority. I don't expect to visit this hospital again now that the bendies are no more however.
The traffic is caused by cars going into the hospital car park, the stupid people that can not park correctly outside the hospital or the taxis that if there is no space in the rank just stop wherever.
The road layout if changed could help
I thought something looked different on 6858 when I saw it the other day but couldn't work out what.
The area where the stairs are between the drivers cab window and the lower saloon windows has been blacked out. The black masking continues past the emergency exit door window too, as can be seen in CL's photo:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/28496367917/in/photostream
I understand 6860 is also now branded - is this the same as 6858, i.e. seemingly unfinished?
Quote from: Mike K on July 13, 2018, 10:46:18 AM
I understand 6860 is also now branded - is this the same as 6858, i.e. seemingly unfinished?
Yes it looks unfinished also.
6863 is now 23/24 Harborne branded.
I went on 6847 earlier on the X2 to Solihull and I noticed that the internal X1 route map hasn't been updated,
it still shows the following connections can be made.
Yardley, Swan:
58 59 60 Small Heath.
59 Lea Hall and Kingshurst.
Sheldon Wheatsheaf:
71 72 Garretts Green.
71 72 Solihull Ice Rink.
Birmingham Airport:
966 Chelmsley and Erdington.
966 Damsonwood and Solihull.
It also still shows only half the journeys on the X1 go to Coventry (with a 15 minute frequency as far as Birmingham Airport and a 30 minute frequency to Coventry).
Despite this changing on the 4th June 2017 and all journeys now go to Coventry at a 20 minute frequency.
Will the Coventry Road platinums have there internal route maps updated at some point?
The X2 maps have never been updated either.
I would imagine they will be done along with the new Platinum routes at BC, probably makes economic sense to do them as part of a single print run.
6867 is now 23/24 Harborne branded - this one has 'catch up with free Wifi' rather than the 'charge into city' I've seen on the others. Must say the black lower saloon window / stairs detailing they're applying to these looks smart.
6864 also Harborne branded.
Once the X64 and 98 go are the single deckers going from BC?
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 19, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
Once the X64 and 98 go are the single deckers going from BC?
@Tony said they are staying at BC
@B.C Driver and also said there will only be transfers at AG, PB, YW and WN.
Quote from: 2206 on July 19, 2018, 11:09:52 AM
@Tony said they are staying at BC @B.C Driver and also said there will only be transfers at AG, PB, YW and WN.
So single deckers will appear on busy non single deck routes like the 63, 97 etc :(
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 19, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
So single deckers will appear on busy non single deck routes like the 63, 97 etc :(
Remember that the Summer Timetables come in on 22/7 as well, so garages will have a lot more spare buses
Maybe the B7RLEs will act as Paint Float vehicles for other garages over the summer?
4630 now has a front LED display fitted, on the PR today.
6868, 6869 and 6870 now 23/24 branded, 6862 has the black lower saloon window / stairs surrounds but not branded yet.
New next stop announcements on BC Platinums today - on 6866 at least, the voice of Phil Upton is no more. Each stop is repeated numerous times which can get a bit monotonous.
Quote from: MW on July 19, 2018, 02:11:49 PM
Maybe the B7RLEs will act as Paint Float vehicles for other garages over the summer?
Will that be necessary as per the point Tony mentions prior to your post, with Summer timetables coming into effect, garages will have more spare buses so I would surmise paint floats aren't really required.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 20, 2018, 11:58:22 PM
Will that be necessary as per the point Tony mentions prior to your post, with Summer timetables coming into effect, garages will have more spare buses so I would surmise paint floats aren't really required.
That's very true, I didn't think about that lol.
Quote from: Tony on July 19, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
Remember that the Summer Timetables come in on 22/7 as well, so garages will have a lot more spare buses
So what after September?
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 21, 2018, 11:33:18 AM
So what after September?
I'll start work on September allocations to include the Dudley review when I Am back from Dundee
Quote from: Mike K on July 20, 2018, 10:32:00 AM
6868, 6869 and 6870 now 23/24 branded, 6862 has the black lower saloon window / stairs surrounds but not branded yet.
New next stop announcements on BC Platinums today - on 6866 at least, the voice of Phil Upton is no more. Each stop is repeated numerous times which can get a bit monotonous.
6866 (on the 23/24) and 6873 (on the 29) are also 23/24 branded.
Is the x21 due to be single or double deck? Also, does anyone know if the scanias will remain on the 27?
Does the 97 stop by dale house
Quote from: Jordan on July 22, 2018, 11:02:18 AM
Does the 97 stop by dale house
Yes, it stops at BS17 on Albert Steet currently.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Dale+House+(Stop+BS17)/@52.4800996,-1.894971,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4870bc8f5f86f8c9:0x5ce9c42bd898bc98!8m2!3d52.4806101!4d-1.893201
According to the app, the X20/X21/X22 terminate at the 65/66/67 terminus. So where have they gone?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 11:29:48 AM
According to the app, the X20/X21/X22 terminate at the 65/66/67 terminus. So where have they gone?
They should terminate at BS8, which was out of use for some time and was last used temporarily by the 80/A, it used to be the 56, 70 and 72 stop.
65/66/67 should still be at BS9 which is the next stop down.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/SouthBirminghamstopMapforWeb.pdf
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 11:29:48 AM
According to the app, the X20/X21/X22 terminate at the 65/66/67 terminus. So where have they gone?
They are not at our stop. There were 2 61s at the old 80 stop so I guess they are stopping at that one
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2018, 11:34:52 AM
They should terminate at BS8, which was out of use for some time and was last used temporarily by the 80/A, it used to be the 56, 70 and 72 stop.
65/66/67 should still be at BS9 which is the next stop down.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/SouthBirminghamstopMapforWeb.pdf
BS8 was the 98/X64 stop right? Well the app said no departures from that stop. I went to the next one down and it showed the 61/63 etc.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
BS8 was the 98/X64 stop right? Well the app said no departures from that stop. I went to the next one down and it showed the 61/63 etc.
61 and 63 are loading up on the opposit side to B & M?
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 22, 2018, 11:43:56 AM
61 and 63 are loading up on the opposit side to B & M?
Well according the app, yes. But I haven't seen it myself.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 11:42:11 AM
BS8 was the 98/X64 stop right? Well the app said no departures from that stop. I went to the next one down and it showed the 61/63 etc.
BS7 is the old 98/x64 stop, thats now out of use.
BS8 is the next one down, that was previously used by the 56, 70 and 72 and more recently temporarily used by the 80/A.
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
BS7 is the old 98/x64 stop, thats now out of use.
BS8 is the next one down, that was previously used by the 56, 70 and 72 and more recently temporarily used by the 80/A.
Ah, okay. Makes sense then. There should be a bit more room then with BS7 gone to fit 5 bus termini there.
Can't find the post but here is the Bristol Road branding
https://www.facebook.com/205112419583783/posts/1795588437202832/
Quote from: John on July 22, 2018, 12:39:35 PM
Can't find the post but here is the Bristol Road branding
https://www.facebook.com/205112419583783/posts/1795588437202832/
Is there enough B5's for both the 61 and 63 now the 61 has made its comeback?
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
BS7 is the old 98/x64 stop, thats now out of use.
BS8 is the next one down, that was previously used by the 56, 70 and 72 and more recently temporarily used by the 80/A.
No. BS7 is being used as an overflow for the 61,63,X20,X21,X22. All services have their reliefs at this stop.
New style destination displays on BC Platinums from today with much larger final destinations, and no scrolling 'via' points - 23/24 show 'via Harborne' only.
Nice to see the return of 'Rednal' on the X20.
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
New style destination displays on BC Platinums from today with much larger final destinations, and no scrolling 'via' points - 23/24 show 'via Harborne' only.
Nice to see the return of 'Rednal' on the X20.
I'm not a fan of that personally, I much prefer the scrolling displays. With routes like the 63 I can understand it but generally I think showing multiple via points is better.
Also I'd have thought the X20 would say Cofton Hackett.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 09:17:34 PM
I'm not a fan of that personally, I much prefer the scrolling displays. With routes like the 63 I can understand it but generally I think showing multiple via points is better.
Also I'd have thought the X20 would say Cofton Hackett.
I remember when the 45 was extended to Cofton Hackett briefly, the Tridents also displayed 'Rednal' instead of 'Cofton Hackett', not entirely sure why
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 22, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
I remember when the 45 was extended to Cofton Hackett briefly, the Tridents also displayed 'Rednal' instead of 'Cofton Hackett', not entirely sure why
I can't remember where the 45 finished but the X20 does continue past the old 47 Cofton Hackett terminus and terminates at Rednal Island / Lickey Road.
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
New style destination displays on BC Platinums from today with much larger final destinations, and no scrolling 'via' points - 23/24 show 'via Harborne' only.
Same with the 4. Referring to the Dot Matrix displays. The final destination bolder and bigger than normal. Looks a lot better. Haven't paid attention to the LED version.
2129 is on the X21
The driver I had on the X20 yesterday seemed pretty unsure of where he was going, passengers had to help him out, the temporary bus stops on the route caught him by surprise
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
Shock horror.
...obviously a response to all of the questioning of Platinums being on there yesterday, completely uncalled for
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 23, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
...obviously a response to all of the questioning of Platinums being on there yesterday, completely uncalled for
Er, what? I wasn't criticising you...
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2018, 06:13:55 PM
Er, what? I wasn't criticising you...
I see, apologies. Lack of context makes things hard to read
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 23, 2018, 06:20:46 PM
I see, apologies. Lack of context makes things hard to read
No problem mate, it was more a comment on NX.
@Michael Bevan not swapped. Was in Solihull at 7:05pm
6858 - 6878 now 23/24 Harborne branded, so up to 21 vehicles at least.
Quote from: Mike K on July 24, 2018, 11:20:24 AM
6858 - 6878 now 23/24 Harborne branded, so up to 21 vehicles at least.
6872 has been missed, but yes It'll be down to be done I would have thought.
Does the X21 inter-work with any other routes at any point? I noticed 2141 on the X20 earlier, but I haven't posted it in "Noteworthy Workings" as I'm not sure if it was an X21 board.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 24, 2018, 09:07:39 PM
Does the X21 inter-work with any other routes at any point? I noticed 2141 on the X20 earlier, but I haven't posted it in "Noteworthy Workings" as I'm not sure if it was an X21 board.
No, can't see any interworking with X20 and X21
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 24, 2018, 09:07:39 PM
Does the X21 inter-work with any other routes at any point? I noticed 2141 on the X20 earlier, but I haven't posted it in "Noteworthy Workings" as I'm not sure if it was an X21 board.
It did an evening peak board that just does one trip on the X20 (nothing else)
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
I can't remember where the 45 finished but the X20 does continue past the old 47 Cofton Hackett terminus and terminates at Rednal Island / Lickey Road.
It was the same with the 22, 23 and X64 terminus. The 23 and X64 displayed Woodgate, but the 22 always displayed Kitwell.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 24, 2018, 09:41:21 PM
It was the same with the 22, 23 and X64 terminus. The 23 and X64 displayed Woodgate, but the 22 always displayed Kitwell.
When in actual fact it was neither of those - the Wood Lane / Field Lane terminus is in Bartley Green. The 22 continued to show Kitwell to avoid confusion with the 23 (which confusingly never terminated in Woodgate either if that makes sense).
Quote from: Mike K on July 24, 2018, 11:20:24 AM
6858 - 6878 now 23/24 Harborne branded, so up to 21 vehicles at least.
Up to 6879 now done, 22 buses assuming 6872 gets branded. Apart from the 11, I believe that's currently the most buses branded for the same route / corridor.
6872 is now 'branded'.
3 more Platinum's are being branded today:
https://www.facebook.com/mobilesignsltd/photos/a.205198832908475.47358.205112419583783/1808775659217443/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Winston on July 30, 2018, 11:38:58 AM
3 more Platinum's are being branded today:
https://www.facebook.com/mobilesignsltd/photos/a.205198832908475.47358.205112419583783/1808775659217443/?type=3&theater
6885, 6887 and 6886.
As they're towards the end of the 2017 batch I wander if they're being branded for the Harbornes or if the X20/X22 is going to get branded? Would these be for the X20/X22?
Not sure what the PVR's are but would 30 buses be needed for the Harbornes (6858 - 6887)?
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 12:03:07 PM
6885, 6887 and 6886.
As they're towards the end of the 2017 batch I wander if they're being branded for the Harbornes or if the X20/X22 is going to get branded?
I'd suspect these are for the X20/X22. Can't see many more being done for the 23/24 - 22 done as it is, don't think the PVR can be more than late 20s.
Quote from: Mike K on July 30, 2018, 12:08:55 PM
I'd suspect these are for the X20/X22. Can't see many more being done for the 23/24 - 22 done as it is, don't think the PVR can be more than late 20s.
They've posted a new picrure, they're being branded for the X20, X21 and X22.
https://www.facebook.com/mobilesignsltd/photos/p.1808907802537562/1808907802537562/?type=3&theater
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
They've posted a new pic they're being branded for the X20, X21 and X22.
https://www.facebook.com/mobilesignsltd/photos/p.1808907802537562/1808907802537562/?type=3&theater
I like the turquoise line instead of red separating the upper deck dark grey from the lighter grey.
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
They've posted a new picrure, they're being branded for the X20, X21 and X22.
https://www.facebook.com/mobilesignsltd/photos/p.1808907802537562/1808907802537562/?type=3&theater
I wonder what will happen to 6835-40, I would have thought they would have been the X20 branded buses but as they are all getting the same branding obviously not. Maybe the rest of the 688x and 689x as well as the 683x will be done
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 30, 2018, 12:27:28 PM
I wonder what will happen to 6835-40, I would have thought they would have been the X20 branded buses but as they are all getting the same branding obviously not. Maybe the rest of the 688x and 689x as well as the 683x will be done
X20 and X22 interwork evenings and Sundays so there was always going to be a need for common branding on these. Slightly surprised they've included the X21 on there given that it's not a Platinum route most of the week, and once the Bath Row bus Gate is in place, sounds like it might not be much of a 'fast' route in either direction other than missing the odd stop on Bath Row.
Mobile Signs Ltd must love all these bus reviews - they'll have all the 126 buses to re-do in a few weeks' time.
Quote from: Mike K on July 30, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
X20 and X22 interwork evenings and Sundays so there was always going to be a need for common branding on these. Slightly surprised they've included the X21 on there given that it's not a Platinum route most of the week, and once the Bath Row bus Gate is in place, sounds like it might not be much of a 'fast' route in either direction other than missing the odd stop on Bath Row.
Surprising they've put next stop announcements on them for the X21 and included the X21 in the branding, as its not a platinum route and they're only being used on there on Sundays.
Or will the platinums be gaining next stops announcements for the 60 as well, given they are on there everyday?
Perhaps they intend to get some more platinums from elsewhere at some point (eg - if any where left spare after the Dudley Service Changes in September or if any new platinums arrive at some point later in the year) and put them on the X21?
Quote from: Mike K on July 30, 2018, 12:34:58 PMSlightly surprised they've included the X21 on there given that it's not a Platinum route most of the week, and once the Bath Row bus Gate is in place, sounds like it might not be much of a 'fast' route in either direction other than missing the odd stop on Bath Row.
Well hopefully it'll miss out a few stops on Wheeleys Road, as quite frankly you don't get many people getting on and off around there anyway, and most if not all of Bath Row (Maybe the one opposite the current outbound stop) as the 80/A is every 10 mins anyway.
Can't understand why it's been included though as like you say it's not a platinum route.
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Perhaps they intend to get some more platinums from elsewhere at some point (eg - if any where left spare after the Dudley Service Changes in September or if any new platinums arrive at some point later in the year) and put them on the X21?
Highly doubt that to be honest.
This confirms the Harborne Branding is incomplete then:
QuoteMobile Signs Ltd. Reiss Belle-Ffrench the front and rear are being branded at a later date but will be branded.
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
This confirms the Harborne Branding is incomplete then:
Dammit. It's nice having light coming in through the back windows.
Quote from: Mike K on July 30, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
Dammit. It's nice having light coming in through the back windows.
Le sigh. Agreed, it makes the buses less claustrophobic
Probably a controversial opinion here but I think the branding looks better with the halo and the back done. Just looks half-arsed like this.
Vinyl vandals about to strike again then. Back to travelling in a claustrophobic box! Will NXWM never learn that passengers like to have bright interiors and unobstructed views when using public transport? Perhaps this is something else TfWM should have a look at.
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2018, 12:03:07 PM
6885, 6887 and 6886.
As they're towards the end of the 2017 batch I wander if they're being branded for the Harbornes or if the X20/X22 is going to get branded? Would these be for the X20/X22?
Not sure what the PVR's are but would 30 buses be needed for the Harbornes (6858 - 6887)?
Well 6885 never got done. It's on the 22 this afternoon and whilst it has the black window surrounds, it's not branded.
Edit - on the 23, not the 22 which is sadly no more.
Quote from: RW on July 30, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
Vinyl vandals about to strike again then. Back to travelling in a claustrophobic box! Will NXWM never learn that passengers like to have bright interiors and unobstructed views when using public transport? Perhaps this is something else TfWM should have a look at.
To be fair it's not just NXWM - lots of branding - Transdev, Go North East and plenty of other recent examples have one or both rear windows covered. I've no objection to branding at all, I just don't see why thy can't have branding / route promotion on the rear without completely obscuring the windows. The latest Harborne / QE brandings are a bit simpler than some of the others so fingers crossed the rear windows are left alone (but I'm not holding my breath).
On 2142 this morning I noticed there doesn't seem to be a University Hop sticker on the side anymore. What's happened to that? Or is it just 2142?
EDIT:Same with 2126 and a couple of other B7RLEs I saw.
@Tony do you have any idea what buses are going to operate on the 501 cricket shuttles tomorrow?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 30, 2018, 12:27:28 PM
I wonder what will happen to 6835-40, I would have thought they would have been the X20 branded buses but as they are all getting the same branding obviously not. Maybe the rest of the 688x and 689x as well as the 683x will be done
I'm wondering whether 6835-40 might receive generic branding as spares for all the BC platinum routes. They look a bit of a mess with the X61 branding removed and the plainer Harborne and QE brandings, which look like they'll be applied to most of the 67 plates, wouldn't cover the marks left by the old X61 vinyls.
Quote from: Mike K on July 31, 2018, 05:52:44 PM
I'm wandering whether 6835-40 might receive generic branding as spares for all the BC platinum routes. They look a bit of a mess with the X61 branding removed and the plainer Harborne and QE brandings, which look like they'll be applied to most of the 67 plates, wouldn't cover the marks left by the old X61 vinyls.
Yes they probably will. I agree, they do look a mess having been debranded, generic platinum branding should cover it up nicely
Apologies for being a nuisance, but does anybody have a definitive list of the branded 67-reg examples to date?
I know it's scattered over several threads, though I can't seem to make heads or tails of anything. Again, sorry, but thanks in advance.
Quote from: CL on August 03, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
Apologies for being a nuisance, but does anybody have a definitive list of the branded 67-reg examples to date?
I know it's scattered over several threads, though I can't seem to make heads or tails of anything. Again, sorry, but thanks in advance.
From what I've seen and what's been posted so far, 6858-6879 are Harborne 23/24 branded (6872 had been missed, not sure if that's done now) and it's been reported that several between and including 6880 and 6889 are QE X20/X21/X22 branded.
Quote from: Mike K on August 03, 2018, 09:27:14 AM
From what I've seen and what's been posted so far, 6858-6879 are Harborne 23/24 branded (6872 had been missed, not sure if that's done now) and it's been reported that several between and including 6880 and 6889 are QE X20/X21/X22 branded.
6872 has been done now.
Thanks
@Mike K @V89MOA It appears that
@Tony may have accidentally put the latest photo of 6889 on 6869's page. Caused me a little confusion. ;)
Quote from: John on August 03, 2018, 05:26:43 PM
There are 2 B7RLEs on there. One on the 61 and one on the 63. They don't interwork
How come the 61/63 doesn't interwork this time around? Is the case with others too? Do the 23/24 interwork?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 03, 2018, 06:03:12 PM
How come the 61/63 doesn't interwork this time around? Is the case with others too? Do the 23/24 interwork?
23/24 don't inter-work in the day, at least on the current summer timetable, but do inter-work on evenings and Sundays.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 03, 2018, 06:03:12 PM
How come the 61/63 doesn't interwork this time around? Is the case with others too? Do the 23/24 interwork?
Because it doesn't need to.
Wasn't X70 meant to be a platinum route because it's a express route and normally has a platinum bus on there every day and in my opinion I think 60 should be a platinum as it normally has a platinum allocation on it
Quote from: Hammad on August 04, 2018, 12:33:29 AM
Wasn't X70 meant to be a platinum route because it's a express route and normally has a platinum bus on there every day and in my opinion I think 60 should be a platinum as it normally has a platinum allocation on it
There probably aren't enough Platinums at the moment but it may change in the future.
Quote from: Hammad on August 04, 2018, 12:33:29 AM
Wasn't X70 meant to be a platinum route because it's a express route and normally has a platinum bus on there every day and in my opinion I think 60 should be a platinum as it normally has a platinum allocation on it
The ones that are used on the 60 are just spares, the X70 only gets Platinums on weekends.
Quote from: Jack on August 04, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
The ones that are used on the 60 are just spares, the X70 only gets Platinums on weekends.
I can't understand why spares are used on the 60 instead of the X70 and X21.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 04, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
I can't understand why spares are used on the 60 instead of the X70 and X21.
Neither do I.
Quote from: Jack on August 04, 2018, 10:55:49 AM
Neither do I.
same as they are meant to platinum routes but the 60 isn't meant to be
61 and 63 have platinum next stop announcements.
Quote from: Dom on August 04, 2018, 01:28:03 PM
61 and 63 have platinum next stop announcements.
Off course they do. The branded buses have the equipment
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
Off course they do. The branded buses have the equipment
Not really an of course though is it?
They have Platinum announcements not the other voices heard on the 1,4,222 or the old 22,23,24 announcements.
I've had a couple of hybrids this week and none of them have announcements.
Quote from: Dom on August 04, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
Not really an of course though is it?
They have Platinum announcements not the other voices heard on the 1,4,222 or the old 22,23,24 announcements.
I've had a couple of hybrids this week and none of them have announcements.
Hardly going to be a Black Country voice on the Bristol Road is it... ::)
Quote from: V89MOA on August 04, 2018, 04:18:36 PM
Hardly going to be a Black Country voice on the Bristol Road is it... ::)
Didn't say it should be? Simply saying non-platinum routes with announcements have a different voice compared to platinums. Plus i mentioned the 22,23,24, didn't know that was a Black Country route?
Quote from: Dom on August 04, 2018, 04:46:11 PM
Didn't say it should be? Simply saying non-platinum routes with announcements have a different voice compared to platinums. Plus i mentioned the 22,23,24, didn't know that was a Black Country route?
Half of your mentioned routes are black country routes so...
The 22,23,24 that used Phil Upton, who hasn't recorded any routes for NX for 7 years? To quote yourself in the Metro thread... "common sense would prevail"!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 04, 2018, 04:49:36 PM
Half of your mentioned routes are black country routes so...
The 22,23,24 that used Phil Upton, who hasn't recorded any routes for NX for 7 years? To quote yourself in the Metro thread... "common sense would prevail"!
Did the 24 even have announcements? Wasn't it only that 22/23 that had them?
Quote from: Jack on August 04, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
Did the 24 even have announcements? Wasn't it only that 22/23 that had them?
Not very often, I've only ever heard them play between Harborne and Brum so couldn't say for sure if the whole route did, they often didn't work on the hybrids anyway thankfully. Initially it was definitely only the 22/23 that had them though.
24 has never had announcements, at all. Well, not until recently. Haven't heard the recent announcements to see if they've changed, but the *interim* new announcer does sound a little feeble - at least in my opinion. Can't quite make out some thing he says at certain stops, is why.
re: next stops announcements; generally speaking, I think it'd be beneficial for all passengers if all services had next stop announcements! It'd be *tidier* if it were all done by the same voice (like TfL has done - with Emma Hignett); but you can't be too picky, I guess. The Black Country voice is a nice gimmick, I find. My reasoning behind my opinion is that it may serve well for those passengers with visual impairments, or perhaps for those who are travelling on a certain route for the first time - and have no clue where/when to get off.
The only downsides I see to implementing announcements everywhere is the complaints that we'd hear from passengers who'd become sick of hearing the repetitive announcements on their daily commute; god knows how many times my sisters had complained about it to and from school, when they used the 22/23! lol... I find, often, the next stop announcements are drowned out by general conversations between passengers anyway; either that or it becomes muffled under people's music these days.
Another point, on par with my last counter-argument, would be the fact that it (in my opinion) dilutes the Platinum brand a bit (by standardising one of their promoted attributes).
You raise a good point there CL about the voices, I couldn't stand hearing Phil Upton time after time, his voice used to grate on me, but "Platinum man" doesn't bother me that much, I usually stop noticing after a bit. Let's hope he is the new standard voice!
Yes I can definitely see complaints going in as the current 23/24 announcements don't seem to be calibrated properly and keep replaying several times before the actual stop, as well as cutting off. Hopefully this will be rectified though soon.
Quote from: Dom on August 03, 2018, 06:56:50 PM
Because it doesn't need to.
I thought interworking services were beneficial?
Is the pride bus still about?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 04, 2018, 09:09:30 PM
Is the pride bus still about?
Yes, on the Bristol Road today
We are using the same professional actor to record all new stops, instead of having a mix if voices as there was previously I gave the company a list of all the stops on the X20/1/2, 23/4, 61/3 to record fresh. We are going to correct all the other routes and add a few more like the 60
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2018, 10:12:54 PM
We are using the same professional actor to record all new stops, instead of having a mix if voices as there was previously I gave the company a list of all the stops on the X20/1/2, 23/4, 61/3 to record fresh. We are going to correct all the other routes and add a few more like the 60
I've been told the 45 and 47 will be done to.
Can the PB announcements be sorted? They are a menace mentioning the stop when you are right on top of it.
I've just told you We are going to sort the other garages out next and what is the point of doing the Pershore Road when the branded buses don't have the equipment
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2018, 10:20:00 PM
I've just told you We are going to sort the other garages out next and what is the point of doing the Pershore Road when the branded buses don't have the equipment
Took them nearly two years...
I meant the Platinums that have made appearances have on there have the onboard displays set up with the next stop.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 04, 2018, 07:52:38 PM
I thought interworking services were beneficial?
Inter-working services can be beneficial in some cases. An imaginary example might be if you had 2 routes, each running half hourly at 00 and 30 mins past the hour, and 15 and 45 mins past the hour, each with a round trip time including layovers of 1hr 45 mins. By inter-working, the 20.00 departure on the first route will be back and ready to do the 21.45 departure on the second route. If they didn't inter-work each bus would be sitting around for an extra 15 mins and a higher vehicle requirement would be needed.
In other cases round trip times and frequencies may fit so that there is no benefit to be gained by inter-working.
What was the diversion for the 14 as there was a accident on Adderley Road Steachford
Over on the NX Website, the 61 timetable comes up with the 24's!
Regarding next stop announcements - will the actor be told of the correct pronunciation of the stop names?
As Weoley Park Rd for example was pronounced Wholey Park Rd, this doesnt sound professional.
Just out of curiosity, who is the voice actor
@Tony? If you're aware obviously.
Quote from: Dom on August 06, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
Just out of curiosity, who is the voice actor @Tony? If you're aware obviously.
I'm hopeful it will be Brian Blessed :D :D - wake up some of those slumbering people referred to in another thread..... or maybe Frank Skinner, to get it in regional mode ;D
Quote from: don on August 06, 2018, 02:25:41 PM
I'm hopeful it will be Brian Blessed :D :D - wake up some of those slumbering people referred to in another thread..... or maybe Frank Skinner, to get it in regional mode ;D
Frank Skinner would have been an epic choice!
Quote from: B.C Driver on August 06, 2018, 11:18:45 AM
Regarding next stop announcements - will the actor be told of the correct pronunciation of the stop names?
As Weoley Park Rd for example was pronounced Wholey Park Rd, this doesnt sound professional.
Jervoice Road sounded horrible too.
What's happening to the ex X61 branded platinums the look a mess and will need to be rebranded would love to see them with some X70 branding
@Tony any ideas
Would love to see the ex X61 branded platinums have some X70 branding
@Tony any ideas as they look like a mess right now
Quote from: Hammad on August 12, 2018, 01:58:02 PM
Would love to see the ex X61 branded platinums have some X70 branding @Tony any ideas as they look like a mess right now
The X70 isn't a platinum route at the minute though.
The main allocation is E400 at the minute, some generic platinum branding on them would be nice.
Have the X21 announcements disappeared already or are they just not working on 6881?
There's an absolutely massive queue by the 45/47 stop half way down the road by New Street. Is there an event on or something, or massive delays?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 14, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
There's an absolutely massive queue by the 45/47 stop half way down the road by New Street. Is there an event on or something, or massive delays?
If you haven't noticed, there are no trains on the Cross City Line, as per several posts.
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2018, 06:03:14 PM
If you haven't noticed, there are no trains on the Cross City Line, as per several posts.
Having been part of the queue yesterday and guessing it's the same tonight I bailed off my train at Smethwick GB and have walked up for the 48, long trip home now on 4246!
Quote from: Cheese on August 15, 2018, 05:22:12 PM
Having been part of the queue yesterday and guessing it's the same tonight I bailed off my train at Smethwick GB and have walked up for the 48, long trip home now on 4246!
Are you home yet?
Do B7RLEs from the X21 move onto the X20/X22 in the evenings? 2140 was on the X20 earlier
Quote from: Mike K on August 15, 2018, 10:16:25 PM
Are you home yet?
;D. I enjoyed that
Quote from: Mike K on August 15, 2018, 10:16:25 PM
Are you home yet?
Ha ha! Other than at Selly Oak, traffic was good going that way so got back to Cotteridge about 5 past 6! Which might have been quicker than going through Brum...
Do the X20/X22 interwork all day or only at certain times?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 07:23:21 AM
Do the X20/X22 interwork all day or only at certain times?
Based on the current summer timetable at least, it looks like it's just evenings and Sundays.
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2018, 08:19:48 AM
Based on the current summer timetable at least, it looks like it's just evenings and Sundays.
Well I'm sure a X20 turned into an X22 this morning.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 01:13:05 PM
Well I'm sure a X20 turned into an X22 this morning.
Well maybe some other peak journeys do, I haven't looked at the timetable in much detail but based on a quick look - during the daytime it looks like they don't inter-work, evenings and Sundays they do.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
BC X22 - 6827.
Why is a platinum on a platinum route noteworthy
@2206?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 04:56:25 PM
Why is a platinum on a platinum route noteworthy @2206?
I meant X21, sorry.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 04:57:38 PM
I meant X21, sorry.
Aren't spare Platinums used on the X21?
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Aren't spare Platinums used on the X21?
Spare platinums are used on the 60.
As far as I'm aware they're only used on the X21 on Sundays, its B7RLE operated Monday to Saturday.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 06:21:39 PM
Spare platinums are used on the 60.
As far as I'm aware they're only used on the X21 on Sundays, its B7RLE operated Monday to Saturday.
Spare Platinums are also used on the X70 on weekends if you've forgotten...
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 06:22:33 PM
Spare Platinums are also used on the X70 on weekends if you've forgotten...
I haven't forgotten that they're used on the X70 at weekends, just didn't realy see the relevance/need to mention it.
As its a Monday today.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
I haven't forgotten they're used on the X70 at weekends, just didn't realy see the relevance/need to mention it.
As its a Monday today.
I don't get why BC put their spare Platinums on the 60 instead of the X21 and X70, doesn't make sense to me at all.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
I don't get why BC put their spare Platinums on the 60 instead of the X21 and X70, doesn't make sense to me at all.
Why does it matter what route they use them on? I don't see why its any better to put them on the X21 and X70,
yes you can say the X20, X22 and X12 on the same corridor use platinums but you could use the same argument for the 60 - the X1 and X2 on the same corridor use platinums.
I'm sure the passengers on the 60 don't mind that a platinum is being used on the 60.
What doesn't make sense, why should they use them on the X21 and X70?
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Why does it matter what route they use them on? I don't see why its any better to put them on the X21 and X70,
yes you can say the X20, X22 and X12 on the same corridor use platinums but you could use the same argument for the 60 - the X1 and X2 on the same corridor use platinums.
I'm sure the passengers on the 60 don't mind that a platinum is being used on the 60.
What doesn't make sense, why should they use them on the X21 and X70?
The X21 is included in the route branding on a set of Platinums, I'd say that was a pretty good reason!
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
Aren't spare Platinums used on the X21?
Not really. Usually the 60, 61/63 or the 45/47 before the X21 gets a look in.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 20, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
The X21 is included in the route branding on a set of Platinums, I'd say that was a pretty good reason!
You'd think so, wouldn't you?
Quote from: V89MOA on August 20, 2018, 06:32:10 PM
The X21 is included in the route branding on a set of Platinums, I'd say that was a pretty good reason!
I'd agree that the X21 being part of a Platinum branded corridor but not having Platinum vehicles is a bit strange, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a short term thing until the next new Platinums are delivered. This might free up some to convert the X21. I can't see B7RLEs remaining at BC and on the X21.
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2018, 06:44:20 PM
I'd agree that the X21 being part of a Platinum branded corridor but not having Platinum vehicles is a bit strange, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a short term thing until the next new Platinums are delivered. This might free up some to convert the X21. I can't see B7RLEs remaining at BC and on the X21.
In all honesty I can see the X21 going the same way as the X64 due to half-arsed attempts at it. NX are probably wanting it to fail.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
In all honesty I can see the X21 going the same way as the X64 due to half-arsed attempts at it. NX are probably wanting it to fail.
What is the difference between the X21 & X64? Genuinely, I'm unfamiliar with the route
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2018, 06:44:20 PM
I'd agree that the X21 being part of a Platinum branded corridor but not having Platinum vehicles is a bit strange, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a short term thing until the next new Platinums are delivered. This might free up some to convert the X21. I can't see B7RLEs remaining at BC and on the X21.
I agree, I was thinking the same thing too - my guess is that the X21 will also become Platinum once there are more vehicles available, hence the inclusion of that route on the current branding.
As for the pointless argument going on regarding the allocation of the 'spare' Platinums, with summer timetables in place on some routes, thus a lower PVR, there will be a number of 'spare' Platinum vehicles available, and I'm sure NX Bus will use them where they see fit, in lieu of older, less fuel-efficient Tridents. Where they appear on other non-Platinum routes, just consider it a bonus for the passengers.
There are 75 new platinums coming so BC will probably gain a few to cover the X21. I have a feeling West Brom (74?), Coventry (11/12/12X) and Yardley Wood (50?) might get some platinums as those garages have not got any
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 20, 2018, 06:49:18 PM
What is the difference between the X21 & X64? Genuinely, I'm unfamiliar with the route
There isn't much difference in truth. It misses the odd stop on Bath Row and a couple in Selly Oak. It takes the 29's exit from Weoley Castle along Gregory Avenue (in an attempt to replace it I'm guessing) instead of Barnes Hill and Woodcock Lane. And it stops short by the Bangham Pit Estate, Woodcock Hill instead of going to Field Lane, Bartley Green (For some reason).
Quote from: Stu on August 20, 2018, 06:54:06 PM
I agree, I was thinking the same thing too - my guess is that the X21 will also become Platinum once there are more vehicles available, hence the inclusion of that route on the current branding.
I doubt it, but if they do does that mean more will be Uni branded? Like 6890-92 for example?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 20, 2018, 07:01:55 PM
There are 75 new platinums coming so BC will probably gain a few to cover the X21. I have a feeling West Brom (74?), Coventry (11/12/12X) and Yardley Wood (50?) might get some platinums as those garages have not got any
I don't get what everybody's obsession with the 74 going platinum is. I genuinely cannot see that happening. Too much trouble and damage on there.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 20, 2018, 07:01:55 PM
There are 75 new platinums coming so BC will probably gain a few to cover the X21. I have a feeling West Brom (74?), Coventry (11/12/12X) and Yardley Wood (50?) might get some platinums as those garages have not got any
You have a feeling? Its been said allocations haven't been decided yet, I don't know why you'd expect them to all go to those garages just because they haven't got any platinums yet they could always go to garages that have already got them eg, Wolverhampton, Acocks Green and Birmingham Central?
The 2017 batch of platinums all went to Birmingham Central, BC already had a batch of 2016 platinums.
They could probably end up on any key route in the West Midlands, its pointless speculating.
Quote from: Dom on August 20, 2018, 07:09:21 PM
I don't get what everybody's obsession with the 74 going platinum is. I genuinely cannot see that happening. Too much trouble and damage on there.
I just thought WB could get a platinum route and hazarded a guess the 74 or maybe the 13s
And
@2206 the current platinums are branded for the X21/2/3 so I guess the X21 might get some... or the 60... (sarcasm there)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 20, 2018, 07:12:26 PM
I just thought WB could get a platinum route and hazarded a guess the 74 or maybe the 13s
I doubt the 13s due to the split garages between PN and WB.
11A/11C going Platinum. You heard it here first 😂😂😂😂
No but in all seriousness, the only garage that I'd expect Platinums to arrive at would be BC (X21) and CV to replace the former Premier 993/997 Enviros. We shall see what actually happens though. It'd be nice to get some Volvo chassis Platinums but that's just wishful thinking.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 07:10:16 PM
You have a feeling? Its been said allocations haven't been decided yet, I don't know why you'd expect them to all go to those garages just because they haven't got any platinums yet they could always go to garages that have already got them eg, Wolverhampton, Acocks Green and Birmingham Central?
The 2017 batch of platinums all went to Birmingham Central, BC already had a batch of 2016 platinums.
They could probably end up on any key route in the West Midlands, its pointless speculating.
It's called speculation, it is allowed (probably more for the new deliveries thread than here, but seeing as we were on the subject of the X21. I happen to agree on the 50, it strikes me as a candidate for Platinums - high profile, high frequency route with competition.
Quote from: Dom on August 20, 2018, 07:09:21 PM
I don't get what everybody's obsession with the 74 going platinum is. I genuinely cannot see that happening. Too much trouble and damage on there.
You have an obsession with moaning about the 74 being Platinum... 'too much trouble and damage' every route is the same, you get trouble on nice routes and damage. Can't just say the 74 is the worst.
Maybe as it's the fastest and direct bus linking West Brom and Birmingham? Or maybe competing with the Metro between there?
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2018, 07:26:18 PM
It's called speculation, it is allowed (probably more for the new deliveries thread than here, but seeing as we were on the subject of the X21. I happen to agree on the 50, it strikes me as a candidate for Platinums - high profile, high frequency route with competition.
I'm surprised the X70 has never gone Platinum, fully.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
You have an obsession with moaning about the 74 being Platinum... 'too much trouble and damage' every route is the same, you get trouble on nice routes and damage. Can't just say the 74 is the worst.
If WB are to get a platinum route it has to the the 74, surely? Or whatever replaces it at some point.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
If WB are to get a platinum route it has to the the 74, surely? Or whatever replaces it at some point.
I'd say so... can't really see anything else get them.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 08:07:48 PM
I'd say so... can't really see anything else get them.
82/87?
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
You have an obsession with moaning about the 74 being Platinum... 'too much trouble and damage' every route is the same, you get trouble on nice routes and damage. Can't just say the 74 is the worst.
Maybe as it's the fastest and direct bus linking West Brom and Birmingham? Or maybe competing with the Metro between there?
I'm surprised the X70 has never gone Platinum, fully.
Maybe there's not enough for the X70 as well as the other routes (X1, etc)?
The Birmingham Outer Circle would certainly be a good candidate in my opinion, being a major route, high frequency, busy route, with key links between many places? Replacing the old B7TL ALX400 on the major route.
Wolverhampton 79 maybe as well? Competing with the metro as well and replacing the old Tridents.
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2018, 07:26:18 PM
It's called speculation, it is allowed (probably more for the new deliveries thread than here, but seeing as we were on the subject of the X21. I happen to agree on the 50, it strikes me as a candidate for Platinums - high profile, high frequency route with competition.
I doubt they'd be allocated to it just because "the garage has never had a platinum before though", your average passenger will never know what garages have platinums and which ones don't
Quote from: Dom on August 20, 2018, 07:09:21 PM
I don't get what everybody's obsession with the 74 going platinum is. I genuinely cannot see that happening. Too much trouble and damage on there.
I really don't get it either, I mean perhaps one could use the same logic as the 23/24 in that it's a high frequency route but hell Harborne and Handsworth are nowhere near similar areas
If West Brom were to get Platinums then honestly the only route that'd make sense is the 5 (potential bias, but genuinely think this)
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
If WB are to get a platinum route it has to the the 74, surely? Or whatever replaces it at some point.
5? 80/80A?
Quote from: Kevin on August 20, 2018, 09:15:22 PM
I really don't get it either, I mean perhaps one could use the same logic as the 23/24 in that it's a high frequency route but hell Harborne and Handsworth are nowhere near similar areas
If West Brom were to get Platinums then honestly the only route that'd make sense is the 5 (potential bias, but genuinely think this)
5??? They'd be wrecked in minutes and trashed in seconds. The E400's have already been wrecked and they've not been on it a year!!
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2018, 10:10:35 PM
5??? They'd be wrecked in minutes and trashed in seconds. The E400's have already been wrecked and they've not been on it a year!!
now your just exaggerating and you can’t just say the 74 is a bad route what about the 14
Edit: Thought you were talking about the 74
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
82/87?Maybe there's not enough for the X70 as well as the other routes (X1, etc)?
The Birmingham Outer Circle would certainly be a good candidate in my opinion, being a major route, high frequency, busy route, with key links between many places? Replacing the old B7TL ALX400 on the major route.
Wolverhampton 79 maybe as well? Competing with the metro as well and replacing the old Tridents.
I doubt they'd be allocated to it just because "the garage has never had a platinum before though", your average passenger will never know what garages have platinums and which ones don't
i think it’s going to get platinum branded when the new 68 regs come and I think the X12 should get a few more and didn’t the 50 get new buses 3 years ago
How come the Hybrids have never had the next stop announcements advertised like the Platinums have?
Also have NX ever considered WiFi on the Hybrids or is that not feasible?
Why are we saying a x21 branded Platinum is noteworthy on the X21??
Quote from: John on August 28, 2018, 07:05:33 AM
Why are we saying a x21 branded Platinum is noteworthy on the X21??
As the X21 is B7RLE's?
Quote from: Jack on August 28, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
As the X21 is B7RLE's?
But Platinums are on there too. Surely if the X21 is not to be MMC operated, the branding would not have the X21 on it as it is. It would have been like the X61 branding mentioning the 63
Because despite the branding it's not a platinum route. It's really no different than somebody noting a Gemini on the 33 in that sense.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 29, 2018, 06:52:04 AM
Because despite the branding it's not a platinum route. It's really no different than somebody noting a Gemini on the 33 in that sense.
A Gemini on the 33 is not noteworthy either. Proves my point again, as you have already seen 2 MMCs on there already this morning
Is there any reason why the next stop anouncements on the Coventry Road platinums repeat themselves -
Anouncing this before stopping at the stop:
" The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue
The Next Stop Is.
The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Glibersone Avenue.
Coventry Road, Gilberston Avenue"
And then again if they actually stop at the stop:
"Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue"
They also announce Solihull Town Centre, Touchwood to late on the X2, anouncing it after it has left the stop when it gets to the roundabout at the other end of the road - by then it is nearly at the Station.
I've noticed over the last few days, the speakers anounce the Next Stop, while the display is still displaying what the previous stop was and they don't change till a while afterwards (the displays change to late at some of the stops).
6848 also anounced "The Next Stop Is Clay Lane" this morning, though the X1 and X2 don't stoping at Clay Lane.
Quote from: 2206 on August 29, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
Is there any reason why the next stop anouncements on the Coventry Road platinums repeat themselves -
Anouncing this before stopping at the stop:
" The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue
The Next Stop Is.
The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Glibersone Avenue.
Coventry Road, Gilberston Avenue"
And then again if they actually stop at the stop:
"Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue"
They also announce Solihull Town Centre, Touchwood to late on the X2, anouncing it after it has left the stop when it gets to the roundabout at the other end of the road - by then it is nearly at the Station.
I've noticed over the last few days, the speakers anounce the Next Stop, while the display is still displaying what the previous stop was and they don't change till a while afterwards (the displays change to late at some of the stops).
6848 also anounced "The Next Stop Is Clay Lane" this morning, though the X1 and X2 don't stoping at Clay Lane.
I think the harborne corridor also has the same problem. Keep repeating the next stop is
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 29, 2018, 06:26:06 PM
I think the harborne corridor also has the same problem. Keep repeating the next stop is
All BC routes do it.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 29, 2018, 06:26:06 PM
I think the harborne corridor also has the same problem. Keep repeating the next stop is
So do the Uni buses. I'd imagine it's a overall issue.
Quote from: 2206 on August 29, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
Is there any reason why the next stop anouncements on the Coventry Road platinums repeat themselves -
Anouncing this before stopping at the stop:
" The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue
The Next Stop Is.
The Next Stop Is Coventry Road, Glibersone Avenue.
Coventry Road, Gilberston Avenue"
And then again if they actually stop at the stop:
"Coventry Road, Gilberstone Avenue"
They also announce Solihull Town Centre, Touchwood to late on the X2, anouncing it after it has left the stop when it gets to the roundabout at the other end of the road - by then it is nearly at the Station.
I've noticed over the last few days, the speakers anounce the Next Stop, while the display is still displaying what the previous stop was and they don't change till a while afterwards (the displays change to late at some of the stops).
6848 also anounced "The Next Stop Is Clay Lane" this morning, though the X1 and X2 don't stoping at Clay Lane.
They've all been reprogrammed, the problem is it's been shouted throughout the whole bus.
Quote from: Jack on August 29, 2018, 11:36:09 PM
They've all been reprogrammed, the problem is it's been shouted throughout the whole bus.
Spent a day on the University & Harborne Platinums, and (in addition to the repetitiveness) I, too, have noticed the increase in overall volume. Probably aimed at those who are too immersed into their music with their earphones. :P lol
Quote from: CL on August 29, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
Spent a day on the University & Harborne Platinums, and (in addition to the repetitiveness) I, too, have noticed the increase in overall volume. Probably aimed at those who are too immersed into their music with their earphones. :P lol
As much as I agree with the point of the announcements, this is just taking to another level, do people honestly need to hear the next 3 times?
Quote from: CL on August 29, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
Spent a day on the University & Harborne Platinums, and (in addition to the repetitiveness) I, too, have noticed the increase in overall volume.
Getting people used to more volume before the Brian Blessed narrated announcements are introduced ;D
Couple of Platinums and plenty of Enviros on the Bristol Road today.
Quote from: Jack on August 29, 2018, 11:44:01 PM
As much as I agree with the point of the announcements, this is just taking to another level, do people honestly need to hear the next 3 times?
I agree the repetitiveness is completely unnecessary in my opinion.
Announcing "the next stop is" once is enough, if you were on a train it wouldn't be constantly announcing "the next stop is" non stop for the whole journey, it only does it once.
The X1 and X2 announcements, anounce "The next stop is Waggon Lane" and "The next stop is Clay Lane" as well they haven't used these stops for over a year. If it doesn't stop there it certainly shouldn't be on the anouncements.
Will the old internal route maps be removed/updated at some point, its been 15 months since the June 2017 East B'ham Service changes,
yet the X1 and X2 route maps still advertise connections such as the 966 to Erdington at B'ham Airport and the 59 to Kingshurst at Yardley, Swan?
When I was on 6839 on the X1 back at the start of the month, i'm sure, its X61 route map old X61 route map had already been removed.
The last X1 to Coventry at 23:00 was missed out and didn't run at all. Very disappointed in nxwm, good job the 23:54 train to Coventry is more reliable otherwise I would've been stranded in Birmingham all night! Even though it doesn't get me as close to home as the X1 does, it was better than nothing.
Quote from: lauren1993 on September 01, 2018, 04:41:39 AM
The last X1 to Coventry at 23:00 was missed out and didn't run at all. Very disappointed in nxwm....
As far as I'm aware the last bus of a service HAS to run
Quote from: Kevin on September 01, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
As far as I'm aware the last bus of a service HAS to run
Well the driver on the X2 even said it probably won't turn up!
Quote from: Kevin on September 01, 2018, 10:35:01 AM
As far as I'm aware the last bus of a service HAS to run
Correct.
there was a post on fb about a shooting by wheatsheaf lights last night and the A45 coventry rd was closed so that may have something to do with it
The new flags are up on Bath Row for the 23/24 but only in one direction? Are they missing Broad Street out completely outbound as part of the diversion? I can imagine that will cause some problems.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 03, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
The new flags are up on Bath Row for the 23/24 but only in one direction? Are they missing Broad Street out completely outbound as part of the diversion? I can imagine that will cause some problems.
According to Traveline WM -
They're only missing it out outbound:
Using Holloway Head, Bath Row and Bishopsgate Street, coming out at the top end of Broad Street (near the underpass) at Five Ways outbound.
Quote from: 2206 on September 03, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
According to Traveline WM -
They're only missing it out outbound:
Using Holloway Head, Bath Row and Bishopsgate Street, coming out at the top end of Broad Street (near the underpass) at Five Ways outbound.
Details of the Paradise Circus diversions are now on the NXWM website. From 23rd Sept, the 23/24 will follow roughly the reverse of the current diversion but terminating at the Squre Peg. So inbound via Bath Row, Smallbrook Queensway, New St Station, Carrs Lane, Square Peg, Colmore Row then out via Newhall Street, Edmund Street etc like the olden days.
I bet passagers working in and around Broad Street will love this.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 03, 2018, 05:47:27 PM
I bet passagers working in and around Broad Street will love this.
I bet they'll be well aware of the Paradise Circus works if they work in the area. Isn't helpful that everything is happening on different dates though, surely just a mass "change everything on Sept 2nd" would have been better?
Quote from: Kevin on September 03, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
I bet they'll be well aware of the Paradise Circus works if they work in the area. Isn't helpful that everything is happening on different dates though, surely just a mass "change everything on Sept 2nd" would have been better?
If you use Hagley Road buses it's not too bad, you can either walk to / from Cambridge Street or to / from the Novotel to catch the bus. On Harbornes it's a pain as you can get to work ok until 22nd Sept, but it's no fun getting home as the buses leave via Bath Row, and from 22nd Sept the reverse is true.
Looking on the bright side, at least it only lasts a year...
All for a metro that has little to no point to!!!
Just create proper bus lanes, come down heavy on those that don't comply with them and get these buses moving from origin to destination as efficiently as possible. It's getting worse!
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2018, 07:26:10 AM
688* - X21
@MasterPlan really? A Platinum (with X20/X21/X22 branding) on the X21 is "Noteworthy"? Has it not occured to you that maybe BC use spare Platinums on the X21? They seem to be getting on there quite regularly now...
This is just boring now
@MasterPlan
Quote from: Michael Bevan on September 05, 2018, 08:35:28 AM
@MasterPlan really? A Platinum (with X20/X21/X22 branding) on the X21 is "Noteworthy"? Has it not occured to you that maybe BC use spare Platinums on the X21? They seem to be getting g on there quite regularly now...
Maybe you need to read the spreadsheet.
They might have during the summer but as the timetables have changed I'd guess that there will be little to none available.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Maybe you need to read the spreadsheet.
They might have during the summer but as the timetables have changed there will be little to none available.
How would you know this?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Maybe you need to read the spreadsheet.
They might have during the summer but as the timetables have changed there will be little to none available.
It appears that has been the case with the 60, there were loads on there during the Summer (From what I saw, you'd usually see about 3 a day.)
But now the Summer Timetables have ended, I didn't see any on the 60 on Monday and Tuesday - It appeared to be mostly E400 operated with a few Tridents.
THE spreadsheet needs updaiting as the afternoon journey on the 70 Is now e400 mmc platinum operated as it goes onto the X20 after
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 05, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Maybe you need to read the spreadsheet.
....
Maybe you need to read the comment that
@Stu made saying he hasn't yet had time to update it but that it'd be useful if he was made aware of changes in the thread created specifically for that instead of moaning
You're obviously on the forum and read a lot of it so you have to know by now that it's a regular allocation
Quote from: Kevin on September 06, 2018, 10:34:58 AM
Maybe you need to read the comment that @Stu made saying he hasn't yet had time to update it but that it'd be useful if he was made aware of changes in the thread created specifically for that instead of moaning
You're obviously on the forum and read a lot of it so you have to know by now that it's a regular allocation
I wasn't the one moaning actually, I told him to read it in response to his moaning.
No I wouldn't say it's that regular really, it's mostly if not all B7RLEs normally from what I've seen. If someone knows otherwise then that's fair enough.
Quote from: Hammad on September 06, 2018, 06:46:50 PM
thats not possible as it was on the X70 and did the morning school run on the 70
Wrong.
Well obviously It is possible as it was on the 14 today (At the Maccadown at 13:00).
You may have seen it on the AM 70 at 8AM this morning( I never saw what bus operated that) but it was most certainly on the 14 at 1PM and would have been when
@OH25 saw it at 11AM.
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2018, 07:04:38 PM
It's very possible. There is a 14 running board that does a trip on the X70 then goes onto the 14 for the rest of the day
Will this be the usual allocation then, or will it normally be allocated a Trident?
Quote from: 2206 on September 06, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
Will this be the usual allocation then, or will it normally be allocated a Trident?
well it was 4166 yesterday
@Jordan, Platinums are not NW on the X70 on weekends. 6873 is Harborne branded so should be in the RBOR thread.
It looks like the ex X61 branded Platinums will be receiving generic branding. A photo has just been posted on Facebook of 6836 with it's generic branding applied, and apparently 6837 has been done too.
6855 has also been done i had to look twice thought it was 6853
Quote from: cris 99 on September 12, 2018, 05:33:22 PM
6855 has also been done i had to look twice thought it was 6853
Is this in the same style as the previous generic Platinums or something different?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on September 12, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
It looks like the ex X61 branded Platinums will be receiving generic branding. A photo has just been posted on Facebook of 6836 with it's generic branding applied, and apparently 6837 has been done too.
send a pic
Quote from: Hammad on September 12, 2018, 05:36:53 PM
send a pic
I think you meant 'please could you send a picture'?
Quote from: Mike K on September 12, 2018, 05:45:16 PM
I think you meant 'please could you send a picture'?
yes please or can you please send the link
It would appear that the generic Platinum branding now being applied is in the style of the existing fleet. Picture (not mine) of 6836 here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/163575992@N02/43918784384/in/pool-2713891@N22/
No more rear windows I would presume :(
When will the brending for the 23&24 and the X20,X21,X22 be completed as it just doesn't look right
Quote from: Hammad on September 14, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
When will the brending for the 23&24 and the X20,X21,X22 be completed as it just doesn't look right
I hope it is complete. Not a fan of the 'halos' around the front destination and it's so much nicer having light through the rear windows. Not holding my breath though.
I'm sure it was confirmed that the front and back will be branded, wasn't it? Begs the question what's taking so long though. This isn't normally the case. Are NX anticipating more tampering with the routes perhaps?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2018, 11:38:40 PM
I'm sure it was confirmed that the front and back will be branded, wasn't it? Begs the question what's taking so long though. This isn't normally the case. Are NX anticipating more tampering with the routes perhaps?
I'd say that was likely or just waiting to see if the new routes are a definite success or not, especially as 6835-40 all seem to be having the front and back done... In fact the only side not being done so far on those is the offside suggesting ad frames will shortly be fitted to those.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 14, 2018, 11:48:35 PM
I'd say that was likely or just waiting to see if the new routes are a definite success or not, especially as 6835-40 all seem to be having the front and back done... In fact the only side not being done so far on those is the offside suggesting ad frames will shortly be fitted to those.
Yeah that's kinda what I mean. After the X61 they're probably trying to make sure they don't have to remove yet more branding?
Yeah I noticed the offside missing the same generic branding. You're probably right.
Does anyone know whats operating on the 501 today
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 14, 2018, 11:38:40 PM
I'm sure it was confirmed that the front and back will be branded, wasn't it? Begs the question what's taking so long though. This isn't normally the case. Are NX anticipating more tampering with the routes perhaps?
I hope they stop branding the back windows because there have been many occasions when I've looking to change to the bus (a different service) behind which is difficult when you can't see out of the back windows !
There is a platty that isn't route branded but has its rear bottom window covered. I'm not sure on the fleet number
4181 is out in service today on the X70.
In Birmingham City Centre at 09:50 this morning.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 15, 2018, 01:14:30 PM
There is a platty that isn't route branded but has its rear bottom window covered. I'm not sure on the fleet number
6888, and it is route branded ::)
Pride bus on tonight on 61 service just leaving moor st from city
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 19, 2018, 06:41:18 PM
I saw 2140 a couple of days ago and looks like someone photographed it with a broken destination display
https://www.flickr.com/photos/163575992@N02/29759340477/in/pool-2269572@N21/
Yes it is. It's been playing up for a while now.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 19, 2018, 06:44:43 PM
Yes it is. It's been playing up for a while now.
I'm sure it will get fixed
and here we go again
Quote from: cris 99 on September 20, 2018, 07:25:38 AM
and here we go again
Try not to lose any sleep over it. Not going to bring NXWM to a standstill!
I just saw the pride bus in Walsall bus station with its new Dundee pride branded apllied to it looks very nice
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 20, 2018, 04:32:58 PM
I just saw the pride bus in Walsall bus station with its new Dundee pride branded apllied to it looks very nice
why is it Dundee price branded
Quote from: Hammad on September 20, 2018, 06:09:45 PM
why is it Dundee price branded
Because it is going to Dundee for a few days for this -
https://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/events/event/24961
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2018, 06:12:35 PM
Because it is going to Dundee for a few days for this -
https://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/events/event/24961
oh thank
@2206
It looked like it was going to Walsall garage
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 20, 2018, 06:55:44 PM
It looked like it was going to Walsall garage
It was, ready for me to drive it to Dundee in the morning
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
It was, ready for me to drive it to Dundee in the morning
Have a safe journey there and back! :)
Quote from: StourValley98 on September 20, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Have a safe journey there and back! :)
Good luck Tony hope there's no problems is there just you or cavalry with you aswell
Sorry for being a nosy
07:59 X2 from Yardley, Swan to Solihull drove straight past the stop at the Swan due to the bus being full to capacity.
Not good on a route at that frequency in my opinion, meaning anybody waiting has a 22 minute wait for the next bus.
That trip from Birmingham should be duplicated in my opinion.
Quote from: 2206 on September 21, 2018, 07:30:55 PM
07:59 X2 from Yardley, Swan to Solihull drove straight past the stop at the Swan due to the bus being full to capacity.
Not good on a route at that frequency in my opinion, meaning anybody waiting has a 22 minute wait for the next bus.
That trip from Birmingham should be duplicated in my opinion.
Could it be that the bus before the one that drive past had broken down, had been in a accident, the allocated driver had gone sick or was cancelled for some other reason.
If it is full every day then perhaps a duplicate is justified, but not if it is a one off occurrence however annoying it is for a bus to drive past without stopping.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on September 21, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Could it be that the bus before the one that drive past had broken down, had been in a accident, the allocated driver had gone sick or was cancelled for some other reason.
If it is full every day then perhaps a duplicate is justified, but not if it is a one off occurrence however annoying it is for a bus to drive past without stopping.
Its full everyday, (didn't look to much different compared to how it usually does to me) - it usually also drives past all the stops along Old Lode Lane due to it being full.
Though at least it usually stops at the Swan and Old Lode Lane have the 73.
someone should tell the driver of 5511 where the 61 is supposed to stop at NS3
just drove past the bus stop and left a lot of unhappy people
Not seen this mentioned here.
One of the 67 plates, 6855 is now generic platinum branded.
6855 operated the 07:54 X2 journey between Yardley Swan and Solihull this morning.
Quote from: 2206 on September 24, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Not seen this mentioned here.
One of the 67 plates, 6855 is now ticket brandd.
6855 operated the 07:54 X2 journey between Yardley Swan and Solihull this morning.
is the a link or a picture as I would love to see it
Quote from: Hammad on September 24, 2018, 06:08:40 PM
is the a link or a picture as I would love to see it
It's just the same as the other generic branded Platinums. Here's a picture of 6836 which was done at the same time as 6855 and is no different:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/163575992@N02/43918784384/in/pool-2713891@N22/
Quote from: Mike K on September 24, 2018, 06:12:36 PM
It's just the same as the other generic branded Platinums. Here's a picture of 6836 which was done at the same time as 6855 and is no different:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/163575992@N02/43918784384/in/pool-2713891@N22/
ok
Quote from: JoNi on September 25, 2018, 02:36:35 PM
2138 on X21?
Not unusual. Thats the usual allocation and the only route at BC that the single decker B7RLE are used on (see
@Stu's spreadsheet).
4871 made a rare appearance in Solihull Town Centre earlier today, it was unusually parked up on the 4 stop (Towards Acocks Green/Birmingham) at 09:00, does anyone know if it was on the X2 at some point today?
4877 was on the x20
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 25, 2018, 04:01:06 PM
4877 was on the x20
4944 is on the X22 today. On the Priory Queensway at 10:00.
I'm currently on 6853 at the Wheatsheaf on the X2 to Birmingham which is wrongly still displaying X2.
Solihull.
6847 is unusually turning right of the Coventry Road onto Lyndon Road out of service as well.
4877 is out on X1 currently working the 09:00 from Birmingham
Quote from: Rob2832 on October 04, 2018, 09:47:34 AM
4877 is out on X1 currently working the 09:00 from Birmingham
Probably replacing the single decker (213x?) which was out this morning in Coventry last night/this morning at 5AM.
Quote from: Ben on October 04, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
Probably replacing the single decker (213x?) which was out this morning in Coventry last night/this morning at 5AM.
1913 just did one trip between Meriden and Coventry because of road works. It was not on an X1 board
I have to say there was something quite nostalgic about waiting for a bus on Colemore Row again, only one stop over from where the 'Harbornes' used to be too. That diversion to Five Ways seems a bit convoluted though, I can imagine it'd take long to navigate in peak times?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 05, 2018, 01:34:55 PM
I have to say there was something quite nostalgic about waiting for a bus on Colemore Row again, only one stop over from where the 'Harbornes' used to be too. That diversion to Five Ways seems a bit convoluted though, I can imagine it'd take long to navigate in peak times?
They used to use the stop that they're using at the minute a few years back.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 05, 2018, 01:34:55 PM
I have to say there was something quite nostalgic about waiting for a bus on Colemore Row again, only one stop over from where the 'Harbornes' used to be too. That diversion to Five Ways seems a bit convoluted though, I can imagine it'd take long to navigate in peak times?
The diversion up to Five Ways does get congested in rush hour and can be slow, but it does move. Put it this way, it's miles better than being stuck on Smallbrook Queensway for ages!
I'd like to think that this anti-clockwise city loop might be retained when all of these roadworks are finally finished.
Quote from: Mike K on October 05, 2018, 02:11:06 PM
The diversion up to Five Ways does get congested in rush hour and can be slow, but it does move. Put it this way, it's miles better than being stuck on Smallbrook Queensway for ages!
I'd like to think that this anti-clockwise city loop might be retained when all of these roadworks are finally finished.
Sadly I can only imagine! The traffic on Bath Row/Holloway Circus is getting worse and not just in peak times. But what can be done about it really.
@Jack D don't you mean 5508 rather than 5058???
Looks like the rest of the ex X61 branded are getting price branded today any idea when the advert frame will be installed
4610 was lost in Newtown on a 14, towards Birmingham City Centre today, about 45 minutes ago.
Jensens Road was closed today due to the half marathon, it came down Dartmouth Middleway
The driver then hesitated looking round and seemingly, lost and confused on Dartmouth Circus, (between the exit and entrance of and onto Corporation Street), he then decided to carry on along Newtown Middleway into Newtown.
Not sure way it went, once it got down to the Newtown Row junction.
A NX coach looked a bit lost at Old Square as well at about 14:30 and was seemingly going to turn right onto the Priory Queensway (in the direction of Digbeth Coach Station) of the Corporation Street diversion, until the driver saw the road closed signs - unusual to see a NX coach there.
Quote from: Hammad on October 14, 2018, 02:11:49 PM
Looks like the rest of the ex X61 branded are getting price branded today any idea when the advert frame will be installed
Does it really matter?
Not seen it mentioned elsewhere; 4176 has received a full body wrap for 'Call of Duty: Black Ops III'
Out on the X20s (etc) today..
Anyone know the times of call of duty bus will be in city on x20
Etc thanks
It is now on the 60 next due in City at 10:31
Was on the 60 this afternoon
6854 is on the X2 (16:10 short from Solihull to the Swan, currently on Old Lode Lane) at the moment, with no working ticket machine, not charging fares and blue paper stuffed in the cash chute.
Does anyone know why they sent it out without a working ticket machine.
Are they short of suitable vehicles?
It now has an anouncement which says 'this service terminates here, all change please and thankyou for travelling with us' as well, i've not seen that used before.
Quote from: 2206 on October 18, 2018, 04:23:02 PM
6854 is on the X2 (16:10 short from Solihull to the Swan, currently on Old Lode Lane) at the moment, with no working ticket machine, not charging fares and blue paper stuffed in the cash chute.
Does anyone know why they sent it out without a working ticket machine.
Are they short of suitable vehicles?
I doubt it was sent out like that. Must have happened whilst it's out. Would you rather it went back to depot and have a bus missing?
6892 has now also received generic Platinum branding and had its rear windows covered. I'd thought that maybe 6890-92 were being held back and might be X20/21/22 branded if a few of the 2018 deliveries were used to upgrade the X21 to Platinum, but looks like that won't be the case.
4177- was on the X70 the 15:42 at Park Hall Academy but was displaying 70 and rather took Washwood Heath Road not Bromford must have been a new driver
Quote from: Hammad on October 18, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
4177- was on the X70 the 15:42 at Park Hall Academy but was displaying 70 and rather took Washwood Heath Road not Bromford must have been a new driver
If it was a new driver then they would not know the old route.
There is one inbound 70 School bus a day that uses Washwood Heath Road
Quote from: John on October 18, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
If it was a new driver then they would not know the old route.
There is one inbound 70 School bus a day that uses Washwood Heath Road
It is scheduled to be nearly in the City Centre by then (15:14 - Park Hall School, 15:24 - Ward End, 15:45 - City Centre), but it is possible that it could have been late, maybe?
Quote from: John on October 18, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
If it was a new driver then they would not know the old route.
There is one inbound 70 School bus a day that uses Washwood Heath Road
One AM outbound journey (from the City Centre all the way to Chelmsley Wood) and one inbound PM journey (from Park Hall School to the City Centre only).
The AM journey goes onto the 14 and the PM journey is normally a platinum and goes onto the X20's.
Quote from: Mike K on October 18, 2018, 05:56:27 PM
6892 has now also received generic Platinum branding and had its rear windows covered. I'd thought that maybe 6890-92 were being held back and might be X20/21/22 branded if a few of the 2018 deliveries were used to upgrade the X21 to Platinum, but looks like that won't be the case.
No surprise there really.
Quote from: John on October 18, 2018, 08:08:00 PM
If it was a new driver then they would not know the old route.
There is one inbound 70 School bus a day that uses Washwood Heath Road
no the pm arrived on time as that starts from park Hall school the one at park Hall scoop was on time to hot afternoon
X20/x21/x22 running very late this evening
6847 (x1 branded) on x20 with no displays working. Surely shouldn't be in service
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
6847 (x1 branded) on x20 with no displays working. Surely shouldn't be in service
How did you know it was on the X20 then? ;D
Probably the real time information app or a paper number inside or asked the driver
Quote from: Stu on October 19, 2018, 07:01:06 PM
How did you know it was on the X20 then? ;D
The driver opened the door and said x20 when someone asked what service it was.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
The driver opened the door and said x20 when someone asked what service it was.
Parked with the ignition off?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
The driver opened the door and said x20 when someone asked what service it was.
If the bus was parked up with the engine off and powered down, then that would explain why the display was blank. It wouldn't have driven off with blank displays.
Quote from: Stu on October 19, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
If the bus was parked up with the engine off and powered down, then that would explain why the display was blank. It wouldn't have driven off with blank displays.
No it arrived with no displays working and left with no displays working. The driver said the displays weren't working. I don't know if it had x20 programmed considering it was an x1 branded bus?
Also noted an x1 branded on the 23 today but that had blinds working?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
No it arrived with no displays working and left with no displays working. The driver said the displays weren't working. I don't know if it had x20 programmed considering it was an x1 branded bus?
Also noted an x1 branded on the 23 today but that had blinds working?
Doesn't every garage have there routes programmed on there with other routes and some from other garages I couldn't imagine it going out
Also do they have to check the blinds before leaving the garage
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 19, 2018, 09:16:13 PM
Doesn't every garage have there routes programmed on there with other routes and some from other garages I couldn't imagine it going out
Also do they have to check the blinds before leaving the garage
All BC routes should be on there as well as all BY and PB routes, I believe. The X1/2 branded buses have been on there in the past as well working blinds
The blinds more than likely aren't working for some reason, I saw 4803 on the 94 the other day picking and dropping passengers of in service, but its destination displays weren't working. There was no paper route number in the windscreen, so you'd have thought it was out of service, if you didn't know otherwise.
23/24 branded 6859 parked up just past the Aldi in Selly Oak with it's hazard lights on for some reason.
4181 on the X70 today displaying 70.
Quote from: Gareth on October 23, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
4181 on the X70 today displaying 70.
i know just saw that
6891 now has the offside advert frame fitted, presumably 6890/2 and the ex-X61 examples will follow suit.
Quote from: Mike K on October 23, 2018, 06:04:47 PM
6891 now has the offside advert frame fitted, presumably 6890/2 and the ex-X61 examples will follow suit.
Most, if not all of the old X61 buses have been done I believe
Novelty visitor expected at BC later today. One of Dundee's Emeralds for preparation as an exhibit at the show at the NEC next week
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2018, 08:10:27 AM
Novelty visitor expected at BC later today. One of Dundee's Emeralds for preparation as an exhibit at the show at the NEC next week
Sorry to be the one to pester; Is there an ETA?
Would be a shame if it's already arrived. 😂
Quote from: CL on October 24, 2018, 11:27:41 AM
Sorry to be the one to pester; Is there an ETA?
Would be a shame if it's already arrived. 😂
Not here yet, I'm currently in an upstairs office there. Don't have an ERA I'm afraid
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
Not here yet, I'm currently in an upstairs office there. Don't have an ERA I'm afraid
No problem & thank you!
Guess I'll just wait it out then. Can't imagine it'll be too long :)
I went on 6882 on the X22 today on the 09:10 from Birmingham City Cenre.
There often seem to be people unfamiliar with the area they are travelling in, on these routes (X20/X21/X22) whenever i've used them, who've seemingly got of the train at New Street, so the next stop anouncements are certainly useful.
But they certainly should be updated, the Next Stop Anouncements on this route, after pulling away from the stop on Bath Row announced "The next Stop, is School of Education", someone nearly got of at "Wheeleys Road, St James Road" earlier thinking it was the "School of Education" stop, until the driver told them they were getting of at the wrong stop.
It'd be useful for the next stop announcement to anounce "Alight at this stop for the QE Hospital" as well when at the University Station, as you can miss the glimpse of the main entrance if your not looking as it is largely hidden behind the trees. Then again the driver did announce it on his speaker, but the person who asked the driver if its going to the QE in Birmingham, strangely seemingly didn't hear and remained on the bus.
Is there any paticular reason why this comes into place at 10AM? -
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1055013705098936322
Surely it makes more sence for it to be in place from 04:05 AM (Start Of Service), rather than moving in the middle of the day?
Harborne Road bus lane works now well in progress.
(23/24 will soon be more 'X' than the X20/21/22 ;))
Quote from: 2206 on October 24, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
Is there any paticular reason why this comes into place at 10AM? -
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1055013705098936322
Surely it makes more sence for it to be in place from 04:05 AM (Start Of Service), rather than moving in the middle of the day?
10am is hardly "the middle of the day" ;)
My best guess is that they plan to have inspectors and volunteers around to guide people and assist passengers towards the new stop and perhaps no-one wants to hang around Birmingham city centre at 5am on a Sunday.
This seems like a sensible move to be honest, on the couple of times recently I've caught the 2 or 3 home from Carrs Lane, if more than one 97 is parked up at the Albert Street stop, it can make getting around them a little awkward, especially with buses and other vehicles coming in the opposite direction.
Anyone else find the E400 mmc platinum at BC ridiculously quick? Maybe it's because regularly I get them on the x22 which is usually late as you could guess.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 24, 2018, 08:34:30 PM
Anyone else find the E400 mmc platinum at BC ridiculously quick? Maybe it's because regularly I get them on the x22 which is usually late as you could guess.
Your comment doesn't make any sense. Buses are as quick or slow as traffic congestion and timetable scheduling will allow them to be.
Quote from: 2206 on October 24, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
Is there any paticular reason why this comes into place at 10AM? -
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1055013705098936322
Surely it makes more sence for it to be in place from 04:05 AM (Start Of Service), rather than moving in the middle of the day?
Another service being pushed further away from the City Centre? Surely not...
Anyone been monitoring Carrs Lane since the last movements I wonder? Seems to be a daily occurrence now to have Pershore Roads blocking the road off, as well as the 2/3/5/6 stop causing a bottleneck on both the road and pavement with too many buses and Passengers fighting for too small a space, all while a vacant bus stop is going to waste next to it.
Tfwm still unable to get the basics right 6 years later... ::) ::)
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2018, 08:48:33 PM
Your comment doesn't make any sense. Buses are as quick or slow as traffic congestion and timetable scheduling will allow them to be.
It makes perfect sense. The buses get stuck in Birmingham and therefore become late therefore when they reach the likes of QE to Bartley green they seem to be keen to reduce This delay.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 24, 2018, 09:01:15 PM
It makes perfect sense. The buses get stuck in Birmingham and therefore become late therefore when they reach the likes of QE to Bartley green they seem to be keen to reduce This delay.
They do feel like they can shift a bit when pushed - decent acceleration and they feel like they hold their gears a bit longer than the 48xx and 49xx E400s at BC.
Noticed today the first of this season's LED adverts have arrived, for the film The Grinch. 4945 and 4946 doing the honours.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 26, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
Noticed today the first of this season's LED adverts have arrived, for the film The Grinch. 4945 and 4946 doing the honours.
4947 too.
With Euro Bus Expo in just a day or two, I suppose preparations would be starting imminently to get things ready in time. (i.e. stallholders & buses to be heading to the NEC, and so forth)
Re: 6687, I'm wondering whether anybody in the know would be allowed to tell us when it's due to leave Birmingham Central?
Thanks in advance.
I saw X1 branded 6849 come down Winson Green Road and Icknield Port Road by the City Hospital earlier today being driven by an engineer, at about 11:15 - 11:30.
Unusual to see a BC bus in that area of the City.
Does anyone know where it had been, it looked as if it was returning back to BC as it was heading for Five Ways.
Quote from: 2206 on October 30, 2018, 12:46:09 PM
I saw X1 branded 6849 come down Winson Green Road and Icknield Port Road by the City Hospital earlier today being driven by an engineer, at about 11:15 - 11:30.
Unusual to see a BC bus in that area of the City.
Does anyone know where it had been, it looked as if it was returning back to BC as it was heading for Five Ways.
Possibly been to WB for Mot.
In 2016, Birmingham Central ran a fundraiser service (number 666) on the evening of Halloween for Birmingham Childrens' Hospital. I could've sworn the service ran for two consecutive years, though, the NXBus website appears to have proved me wrong. That aside...
Earlier this year, prior to the July 22nd changes, I recall a Platinum parked up at the X61 stop on Park Street; displaying '666 City Loop, via Ghoulsville'. I was on another bus at the time and got off on Moor Street Queensway; by the time I walked back to Park Street, it had gone!
I was just wondering, is this blind still programmed onto Birmingham Central buses? (Not the most pressing question, admittedly.)
Which advert bus is on 60 today 4176 or 4179
Quote from: Jack on November 03, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
Good number of Platinums on the 61 and 63.
I don't think this is unusual.
Evertime I see the route there are a few on there.
I think I saw 3 yesterday. 6850 and 6891 were on the 61/63 today.
Neither Tridents or Platinums are noteworthy on the Pershore Road
@WestMidlandsTravels You must know this judging by the amount of times you have posted posts and pictures of both types on Facebook
23/24 branded Platinum on the 23 is currently displaying 23 'Bartley Green Thank You 100' on the destination display. Strange.
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
23/24 branded Platinum on the 23 is currently displaying 23 'Bartley Green Thank You 100' on the destination display. Strange.
Something to do with Remembrance Day?
4155 also has it. It's on the 41 in Walsall
@Dom @Tony I have a job for you sort out the mess that is priory Queensway. Why have the 61,63,x20,x21, and x22 alll on the same stop? Just now the x21 and x22 have just unloaded passengers in the middle of the road because the 61 and 63 were blocking it. Numerous buses then went on the wrong side of the road to get past. Not very good at all. Health and safety would be mortified
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
23/24 branded Platinum on the 23 is currently displaying 23 'Bartley Green Thank You 100' on the destination display. Strange.
Probably to do with the war memorial at the Interchange on Romsley Road - I assume there is a good amount of ex / veterans living in the area but I could be completely wrong here
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 06, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
@Dom @Tony
I have a job for you sort out the mess that is priory Queensway. Why have the 61,63,x20,x21, and x22 alll on the same stop? Just now the x21 and x22 have just unloaded passengers in the middle of the road because the 61 and 63 were blocking it. Numerous buses then went on the wrong side of the road to get past. Not very good at all. Health and safety would be mortified
The whole city centre has been a mess since Corporation st closed. The new 97 stop is pitiful, Colmore Row has far too many buses sharing too few stops, Carrs Lane especially is a dangerous joke when it is busy... But of course we must bow down to the trams! This is what happens when important major decisions are made by bureaucrats who've never even set foot on public transport in their lives.
Quote from: John on November 06, 2018, 09:07:10 AM
Something to do with Remembrance Day?
4155 also has it. It's on the 41 in Walsall
Yes you're right, of course it's the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1.
Re Trident 4194s post re a crimson B7RLE on the X21, could this be 2137?
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Re Trident 4194s post re a crimson B7RLE on the X21, could this be 2137?
Yes
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Re Trident 4194s post re a crimson B7RLE on the X21, could this be 2137?
what was 2137 doing in west Bromwich at about 2pm went past metro stop towards the police station
Quote from: Solo1 on November 06, 2018, 08:34:30 PM
what was 2137 doing in west Bromwich at about 2pm went past metro stop towards the police station
You know very well what buses go to West Bromwich for. It has been mentioned on here and Facebook enough times.
MoT ring a bell?
Ok thanks
Apparently 1803 is on the 97
Quote from: Jordan on November 07, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
Apparently 1803 is on the 97
It was in the garage 30 min ago when I was there
Okay thanks Tony
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2018, 06:13:17 PM
Yes you're right, of course it's the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1.
All of the buses out on the QE & B'han Uni routes, Bristol Road and Harborne 23/24 corridors are displaying
"#Thankyou 100" today.
Does anybody know why all the destinations say #thankyou100. I've also just seen a B5LH with the 61/63 branding heading towards woodgate. Seems kinda nostalgic
Quote from: mesub on November 07, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
Does anybody know why all the destinations say #thankyou100. I've also just seen a B5LH with the 61/63 branding heading towards woodgate. Seems kinda nostalgic
Not all of them. On this side of the City i've not seen any buses displaying it, Coventry Rd (X1/X2/60), X12/X70, 55/94, 14, 11A/C, 28, 65/67 and 97. Everyone i've seen has just been showing the via points.
It was only the B'ham Uni & QE, Bristol Rd and Harborne corridors that I saw with it, when I was in Birmingham City Centre earlier.
Its for remembrance day (11th November).
Its the 100th Anniversary of WW1 (1918 - 2018).
Quote from: 2206 on November 07, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
Not all of them. On this side of the City i've not seen any buses displaying it, Coventry Rd (X1/X2/60), X12/X70, 55/94, 14, 11A/C, 28, 65/67 and 97. Everyone i've seen has just been showing the via points.
It was only the B'ham Uni & QE, Bristol Rd and Harborne corridors that I saw with it, when I was in Birmingham City Centre earlier.
Its for remembrance day (11th November).
Its the 100th Anniversary of WW1 (1918 - 2018).
55/94 are showing it they only show it if it's programmed into the display
Quote from: Hammad on November 07, 2018, 03:57:12 PM
55/94 are showing it they only show it if it's programmed into the display
Thanks, I was wondering why as well.
X8 , 16 , 7 all show it too in a new font will they be keeping the new font ?? Looks a lot better
Quote from: mesub on November 07, 2018, 04:04:06 PM
Thanks, I was wondering why as well.
as they have the updated display
X1 X2 60 now stopping at stop where Bristol rd x20/1/2 on moor st queensway by carrs lane church not sure for how
Long due to primark having work done on the rear
Quote from: Solo1 on November 08, 2018, 07:21:49 PM
X1 X2 60 now stopping at stop where Bristol rd x20/1/2 on moor st queensway by carrs lane church not sure for how
Long due to primark having work done on the rear
According to Network West Midlands website, it is due to 'paving works'. The stop is temporarily closed until Monday 12th.
QuoteStop MS4 on Moor Street Queensway is temporarly closed.
NXWM X1, X2, & 60 services will depart from stop MS8 further along Moor Street Queensway, outside Carrs Lane Church.
4148 now has an allover advert for the BBC.
Photo on the main site later
I'm still not a fan of the B7RLEs but I have to say that 2137 is looking smart now. Both the crimson livery and the new seats suit it down to the ground.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 10, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
I'm still not a fan of the B7RLEs but I have to say that 2137 is looking smart now. Both the crimson livery and the new seats suit it down to the ground.
Completely opposing view there. Best single deckers to be made. Caught 2110 on the 9 the other day lovely smooth journey, they seem so effortless in gathering speed, terrific vehicles, much better than any mmc and e200. The crimson does suit it well though I agree
4945 in allover Ebay wrap
Out on the 60, just left Lyndon Road for Cranes Park. I may be wrong, but I make it out to arrive back into City at 1338.
Quote from: CL on November 13, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
4945 in allover Ebay wrap
Out on the 60, just left Lyndon Road for Cranes Park. I may be wrong, but I make it out to arrive back into City at 1338.
complete with twinkly lights
The 14s looked to be in a bit of a mess this afternoon. Saw a 14E to chelmsley Wood, and a NIS trident too. I was lucky to catch 4185 on the 14, which was thrashed all the way to alum rock road, where we caught up with a 46** trident.
One of the best tridents still going in my opinion. Much better than 4179 which I had also caught earlier
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2018, 08:08:33 PM
The 14s looked to be in a bit of a mess this afternoon. Saw a 14E to chelmsley Wood, and a NIS trident too. I was lucky to catch 4185 on the 14, which was thrashed all the way to alum rock road, where we caught up with a 46** trident.
One of the best tridents still going in my opinion. Much better than 4179 which I had also caught earlier
Being on a 14, catching up with another one isn't them 'in a bit of a mess', it's a frequent service. And 14E's are quite normal.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2018, 07:07:13 PM
The university services tonight are awful!
To be honest this is a regular occurance on these routes. I reckon the only way these routes can become viable is the following:
Blocking off the Edgbaston Park Road stretch of the route to buses / taxis only. Therfore freeing up a bit of space along the route.
Cretaing a bus lane on the other side of Bath Row and thereby removing the parked cars. Additionally extending the bus lanes where possible.
Unfortunately I cannot see either as logistically possible so I think these routes are doomed to further changes soon.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 13, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
To be honest this is a regular occurance on these routes. I reckon the only way these routes can become viable is the following:
Blocking off the Edgbaston Park Road stretch of the route to buses / taxis only. Therfore freeing up a bit of space along the route.
Cretaing a bus lane on the other side of Bath Row and thereby removing the parked cars. Additionally extending the bus lanes where possible.
Unfortunately I cannot see either as logistically possible so I think these routes are doomed to further changes soon.
Bath Row seems to be better now with the stretch of bus lane and the work around Holloway Circus finished, but it does still take a sizeable chunk of Broad Street traffic which obviously will remain until the tram works are done
Then Edgbaston Park Road gets used as a rat run to avoid the Bristol Road with all the traffic on there at the moment, so yeah I'd agree you could restrict it to buses and taxis but that's only really going to screw the BR over even more
And then of course the QE traffic, which regularly backs onto the New Fosse Way roundabout and the X22 gets it worst trying to go round Mindelsohn Way, I'd actually suggest the X22 continuing straight then right onto Harborne Lane would help
4949 has now been done in the eBay livery it's on the 61/3
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 15, 2018, 10:34:09 AM
4949 has now been done in the eBay livery it's on the 61/3
4946 also.
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
Bath Row seems to be better now with the stretch of bus lane and the work around Holloway Circus finished, but it does still take a sizeable chunk of Broad Street traffic which obviously will remain until the tram works are done
Then Edgbaston Park Road gets used as a rat run to avoid the Bristol Road with all the traffic on there at the moment, so yeah I'd agree you could restrict it to buses and taxis but that's only really going to screw the BR over even more
And then of course the QE traffic, which regularly backs onto the New Fosse Way roundabout and the X22 gets it worst trying to go round Mindelsohn Way, I'd actually suggest the X22 continuing straight then right onto Harborne Lane would help
The traffic light sequence has been changed at Holloway Head which is enabling 61s and 63s to enter the island and exit in one go. Apart from one night when there was a big event at the 02 academy it seems to have improved things.
The last bus stop from city on Bristol St has been re-opened, but since the traffic light timings have changed it is now unpractical to use.
4948 has the new eBay wrap along wiv 4946
Quote from: Hammad on November 15, 2018, 03:45:37 PM
4948 has the new eBay wrap along wiv 4946
4947 has also had the lights and T ad installed, but no wrap, yet.
4941 on the x22.
4879 on 24.
Seen the new LED advert on 4947? Or whatever bus was on the x20. Looks very good
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 15, 2018, 08:20:44 PMSeen the new LED advert on 4947? Or whatever bus was on the x20. Looks very good
Saw one on the ☓70 earlier, it does look good. Has to strain my eyes a bit though to read what it said it was that bright.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 15, 2018, 08:37:08 PM
Saw one on the ☓70 earlier, it does look good. Has to strain my eyes a bit though to read what it said it was that bright.
There was another one on the 60 today and on Tuesday as well.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 15, 2018, 08:37:08 PM
Saw one on the ☓70 earlier, it does look good. Has to strain my eyes a bit though to read what it said it was that bright.
I seen about 6pm when it was dark so I didn't have that problem
6830 - I've been on this bus twice today and the Wifi wasn't working either time, the next stop anouncements weren't working either.
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
Bath Row seems to be better now with the stretch of bus lane and the work around Holloway Circus finished, but it does still take a sizeable chunk of Broad Street traffic which obviously will remain until the tram works are done
Yes, but it could still benefit from removing the parked cars from the outbound stretch.
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:03 AMThen Edgbaston Park Road gets used as a rat run to avoid the Bristol Road with all the traffic on there at the moment, so yeah I'd agree you could restrict it to buses and taxis but that's only really going to screw the BR over even more
Yep I don't think it would ever happen but it'd need to in order to make these routes work.
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:03 AMAnd then of course the QE traffic, which regularly backs onto the New Fosse Way roundabout and the X22 gets it worst trying to go round Mindelsohn Way, I'd actually suggest the X22 continuing straight then right onto Harborne Lane would help
No it doesn't. The traffic gets worse going up the new road and past the 2 subsequent islands. The ☓20 and ☓21 get it worse. Rerouting the ☓22 up there would make things worse for that route.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 16, 2018, 07:14:51 PM
Yes, but it could still benefit from removing the parked cars from the outbound stretch.
Yep I don't think it would ever happen but it'd need to in order to make these routes work.
No it doesn't. The traffic gets worse going up the new road and past the 2 subsequent islands. The ☓20 and ☓21 get it worse. Rerouting the ☓22 up there would make things worse for that route.
Tonight the traffic was queuing from university all the way down to selly oak. The x22 hits it at as it joins Metchley Lane.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 16, 2018, 07:24:42 PM
Tonight the traffic was queuing from university all the way down to selly oak. The x22 hits it at as it joins Metchley Lane.
I know, I was in it. Sometimes it can affect Harborne Lane too but the new road is regularly filled with traffic.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 16, 2018, 07:29:24 PM
I know, I was in it. Sometimes it can affect Harborne Lane too but the new road is regularly filled with traffic.
Fair enough, my bad I thought it was specifically the QE traffic that was the issue.
Shows that the bypass was worth it though, really don't understand why they only built it with one lane each way
Harborne Road bus lane was finally open this morning and it cut a decent amount of time off the journey. Arriving into the city only 4 minutes late is almost unheard of on a Monday morning.
Seems to be a record 3 MMCs on the ☓21 today, along with 4949 something must have gone wrong somewhere.
I guess it'll be fully B7RLE when the ☓70 becomes platinum though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 20, 2018, 06:26:42 PM
Seems to be a record 3 MMCs on the ☓21 today, along with 4949 something must have gone wrong somewhere.
I guess it'll be fully B7RLE when the ☓70 becomes platinum though.
Not necessarily, there's extra platinums due for BC on this order, so there will still be spares.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 20, 2018, 06:26:42 PM
Seems to be a record 3 MMCs on the ☓21 today, along with 4949 something must have gone wrong somewhere.
I guess it'll be fully B7RLE when the ☓70 becomes platinum though.
B7RLE on BC 24. Also saw a Bristol road branded hybrid coming through harborne high street NIS
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 20, 2018, 07:54:03 PM
B7RLE on BC 24. Also saw a Bristol road branded hybrid coming through harborne high street NIS
4873 and another crimson E400 on the 23 within a few minutes of each other this morning too. Must be down to all those Platinums on the X21!
Quote from: Gareth on November 20, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Not necessarily, there's extra platinums due for BC on this order, so there will still be spares.
Yeah and they'll be used by the ☓70, no?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 20, 2018, 09:07:11 PM
Yeah and they'll be used by the ☓70, no?
The X70 doesn't need many buses, probably enough covered by the new ones. So still some spares.
Quote from: Mike K on November 19, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
Harborne Road bus lane was finally open this morning and it cut a decent amount of time off the journey. Arriving into the city only 4 minutes late is almost unheard of on a Monday morning.
I was just reading an article on this. I wasn't aware that it's only in operation between 7-10am. Are there any plans for one going the other way along Westbourne Road etc?"
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/campaigns/platinum-lane/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_content=Harborne+Campaign
Also, what is this?
" Real-time pilot
Transport for West Midlands has also been working with bus operators across the region on a real-time information pilot which will be launched on the 23/24 route later this year.
You'll soon be able to check what time your bus will arrive based on real-time traffic flow information. You'll also be able to check when you'll reach your destination, giving you complete control over your journey.
If the pilot is successful it could be rolled out across the whole of the West Midlands. Check back soon for updates!"
I read about this 'real time pilot' a week or so ago - I have no idea what it is.
As regards the bus lane, outside of the morning rush hour, traffic tends to flow quite freely down Harborne Road so in my opinion 7am to 10am operation is enough. It certainly is a big improvement on journey times based on my experiences this week.
Outbound in the evening peak, Westbourne Road generally flows ok. Also, one of the problems with a bus lane along there is that it would restrict other traffic to a single lane and would likely mean that traffic would back up along Calthorpe Road delaying buses further.
Just my observations and opinions of course.
I believe, in this instance, the word 'pilot' is referring to the testing of the software - rather than the aviation term. Apologies if that sounded patronising; there was no intention of that. 'Pilot' is generally associated with television, but I suppose it's being used in the same context here; testing the waters to gauge an audience's reaction before it's fully rolled out.
I could be wrong, but is this 'real time pilot' just a more refined version of the bus tracking feature in National Express' new app? It does state that this new RTI will factor in traffic delays, etc... I know in the old app, when a bus (on the rare occasion) is extremely late/a no-show, timetabled information appears - rather than an ETA. I reckon this is the same concept, except rolled out network-wide, as the article suggests. To quote, "Transport for West Midlands has also been working with bus operators across the region on a real-time information"
RTI, though widely available on NX's platform for a few years, will be available on the smaller operators, too, within the region - i.e. Diamond, igo - hell, maybe even DTS! Haha
Sidenote: Whilst I see the benefits of introducing this RTI Pilot to a route which has previously suffered mammoth delays, I can't quite get my head around why TfWM would select a NX route to trial RTI when it's already been available on NX's own app (and many others) for years! I get it... but I also don't.
Quote from: Mike K on November 21, 2018, 10:56:40 PM
I read about this 'real time pilot' a week or so ago - I have no idea what it is.
As regards the bus lane, outside of the morning rush hour, traffic tends to flow quite freely down Harborne Road so in my opinion 7am to 10am operation is enough. It certainly is a big improvement on journey times based on my experiences this week.
Outbound in the evening peak, Westbourne Road generally flows ok. Also, one of the problems with a bus lane along there is that it would restrict other traffic to a single lane and would likely mean that traffic would back up along Calthorpe Road delaying buses further.
Just my observations and opinions of course.
Ah that's fair enough then. How is it managed though, is there a sign at the start of the bus lane informing drivers of these times?
As for the Westbourne Road I guess you're right to be fair, unless there was some idiot parked on that road or broken down causing a single file lane at some point it went alright really from what I remember.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 22, 2018, 07:04:18 AM
Ah that's fair enough then. How is it managed though, is there a sign at the start of the bus lane informing drivers of these times?
As for the Westbourne Road I guess you're right to be fair, unless there was some idiot parked on that road or broken down causing a single file lane at some point it went alright really from what I remember.
Yes, all bus lanes usually have a similar sign saying when they are restricted. Some are 24 hours I presume but a lot can be used at certain times.
16:11 X2 from Solihull Station failed to operate.
Any reason why?
Quote from: 2206 on November 22, 2018, 04:30:53 PM
16:11 X2 from Solihull Station failed to operate.
Any reason why?
Look around you. There's frikin traffic everywhere in Solihull at that time. I'm sure you would have seen Lode Lane roundabout at stand still. It was probably adjusted.
I noticed on the nxm site prompting the new harborne bus lane, they stating buses upto every 8 mins, do people that's deliberate or just a marketing blip
Despite the reliability issues the X20/X21/X22s seem to be carrying some good loadings. Practically every one you see going past seems to be full or near full. So it seems they're popular at least.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2018, 05:41:52 PM
Despite the reliability issues the X20/X21/X22s seem to be carrying some good loadings. Practically every one you see going past seems to be full or near full. So it seems they're popular at least.
If your observations were based on yesterday, this was due to the local trains being cancelled. X20, X21, X22, 45, 47, 61, 63 were all struggling due to increased passengers.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 29, 2018, 11:39:22 AM
If your observations were based on yesterday, this was due to the local trains being cancelled. X20, X21, X22, 45, 47, 61, 63 were all struggling due to increased passengers.
Well no, not just yesterday but I guess that explains yesterday a little.
What's the diversion for the 14 because of the shooting
Quote from: Hammad on November 29, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
What's the diversion for the 14 because of the shooting
Oh dear was this in alum rock
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 29, 2018, 08:12:19 PM
Oh dear was this in alum rock
Sladefield Road
Located At:
The top end of the Alum Rock Road, the Belcheres Lane Island where the 28 meets the 14.
Quote from: 2206 on November 29, 2018, 08:30:29 PM
Sladefield Road
Located At:
The top end of the Alum Rock Road, the Belcheres Lane Island where the 28 meets the 14.
yes is the diversion belchers lane cotterils lane normal line of route as that is time saving and u only miss out that stretch that is cordened
Two more additions to the BC fleet
136 & 171 have transferred from Gatwick.
6904 & 6905 have also arrived at BC for electrical items and branding
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2018, 02:24:35 PM
Two more additions to the BC fleet
136 & 171 have transferred from Gatwick.
6904 & 6905 have also arrived at BC for electrical items and branding
Did all 3 x Kings Ferry loans make it? I've seen 411 & 501 confirmed as arriving.
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
Did all 3 x Kings Ferry loans make it? I've seen 411 & 501 confirmed as arriving.
410 is the third, currently at Hartshornes
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2018, 02:41:40 PM
410 is the third, currently at Hartshornes
Nice one ta!
Who actually created the unrealistic timetable for the x20/x21/x22. I'm yet to see an x22 that has been on time from 3:30 pm.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2018, 05:31:45 PM
Who actually created the unrealistic timetable for the x20/x21/x22. I'm yet to see an x22 that has been on time from 3:30 pm.
Do you ever look outside the windows while you're on the bus?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2018, 05:31:45 PM
Who actually created the unrealistic timetable for the x20/x21/x22. I'm yet to see an x22 that has been on time from 3:30 pm.
They're incredibly difficult to timetable when the traffic is that bad and that unpredictable. Coupled with the run up to Christmas, you can forget about timetables. There were 4's (AG) running up to 55 mins as far as I'm aware, some even more. Solihull has been particularly bad this week but I'm Ute it's nothing on Birmingham City Centre. Don't blame NX. Blame the lack of infrastructure. What can NX do to improve it? Have you got any suggestions?
Quote from: MW on December 01, 2018, 02:35:20 AM
They're incredibly difficult to timetable when the traffic is that bad and that unpredictable. Coupled with the run up to Christmas, you can forget about timetables. There were 4's (AG) running up to 55 mins as far as I'm aware, some even more. Solihull has been particularly bad this week but I'm Ute it's nothing on Birmingham City Centre. Don't blame NX. Blame the lack of infrastructure. What can NX do to improve it? Have you got any suggestions?
The point that many of us made at the time was that switching more services to run via the QE / The Vale under the notion that they'd be faster and more reliable was wrong. The Harborne services were broken up because it was difficult to manage late running and adjust vehicles as it could leave outer termini with huge gaps in service. I have to agree that the 23/24 do run better now.
However the issue has now been shifted to the QE services - a group of every 15 or 20 minute routes that serve a very congested and delayed route and are presumably difficult to adjust.
The X22 is timetabled to get from city to California around 10 mins quicker than the 23 in the evening peak. Ironically, the 23s that I catch in the evening peak often have to wait time at Calthorpe Road now. The X22s can spend an age just trying to get off Smallbrook Queensway. So 10 mins quicker to California does seem ambitious.
I don't know what the answer is but from what I've seen I'd be surprised if there aren't changes to the QE services at some point.
From a selfish perspective however, I don't want the old 22 back - the gaps in service are fewer and smaller with just the 23.
When the bus is not in service it now says nxbus.co.uk at the bottom rather than hireourbus.com
Quote from: mesub on December 01, 2018, 04:52:24 PM
When the bus is not in service it now says nxbus.co.uk at the bottom rather than hireourbus.com
BC buses now have "i'm dropping off only" on the display as well.
The 16:10 X2 short to Yardley Swan from Solihull used it on Friday, first one I've seen use it.
Quote from: 2206 on December 01, 2018, 11:19:57 PM
BC buses now have "i'm dropping off only" on the display as well.
The 16:10 X2 short to Yardley Swan from Solihull used it on Friday, first one I've seen use it.
also the hanovers show when they were updated most say BCBYPB25Nov18
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2018, 05:31:45 PM
Who actually created the unrealistic timetable for the x20/x21/x22. I'm yet to see an x22 that has been on time from 3:30 pm.
Quote from Walsall training center, running boards, timetables are just guides not set in stone, drivers only responsibility to it is not to leave any timing point early no excuses unless directed by an inspector to do so(brum riots) told to get out of the city sharpish, any way every excuse for being late this I have heard time and time again over the last 20 years or so.
So MR trident hope that helps.
6869 has a digital crack in the upstairs screen
Quote from: Jordan on December 05, 2018, 02:54:02 PM
6879 on the X2
@Jordan Platinums on the X2 aren't noteworthy. Perhaps this should've been in the route branded buses off route thread?
Has nobody seen the new style next stop announcements that have been rolled out on the Harborne and University services, I've not seen any mention of them?
Not sure how long these vehicles have had them?
6860 on the 24 and 6886 on the X20 today are the first I recall seeing, i'm not sure how many have it present. 6875 and a number of others still have the old style next stop anouncements.
There are a few few key differences from the old style next stop announcements: instead of saying and displaying "The next stop is Coventry Road, Gliberstone Avenue", these say and display "Next Stop: St George's Church" - and they have the time displayed below.
They don't repeat themsleves as much.
With the old next stop annnouncements they would announce the stop a further time whether or not it stops there, these only announce it if it stops there.
The next stop announcements occasionally announce "24 to Quinton Road West", "24 to Birmingham", "X20 to Birmingham", "X20 to Rednal" every few stops, the screens also alternate to display this at this time.
I'm pleased to see they've finally started to update these, as the old X20, X21, X22, X1 and X2 next stop announcements were wrong. X1 and X2 - Announcing stops on the Coventry Road they haen't called at for years, such as Wagon Lane and Clay Lane. X20/X22 - not announcing a number of stops in the Edgbaston/University area, announcing after Bath Row the next stop is the School Of Education Stop, I witnessed one incident where that seemed to confuse a few passengers not familiar with the area and route.
Hopefull these are rolled out across all of the X1, X2, X20, X21, X22, 23 and 24 routes and platinum buses that serve these route.
I noticed the sheet on the rear top deck window of 6886, had partly been peeled of as well.
Yeah, they still mention 'Deakins Road' which the X1 and X2 don't stop at. They'll probably be updated again when the X70 gets its new Platinums.
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Yeah, they still mention 'Deakins Road' which the X1 and X2 don't stop at. They'll probably be updated again when the X70 gets its new Platinums.
They seem to have started to update the 23/24 and X20/X21/X22 ones with these new style next stop announcements, as I was saying above, it may be that they'll update them now with these?
I was about to complain about some of the stop announcements don't work after University North gate as well as some stops on the 23/24 not working. I'll guess I wait and see
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Has nobody seen the new style next stop announcements that have been rolled out on the Harborne and University services, I've not seen any mention of them?
Well they don't tend to have them on the B7RLEs.
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2018, 03:05:13 PM
Has nobody seen the new style next stop announcements that have been rolled out on the Harborne and University services, I've not seen any mention of them?
Not sure how long these vehicles have had them?
6860 on the 24 and 6886 on the X20 today are the first I recall seeing, i'm not sure how many have it present. 6875 and a number of others still have the old style next stop anouncements.
There are a few few key differences from the old style next stop announcements: instead of saying and displaying "The next stop is Coventry Road, Gliberstone Avenue", these say and display "Next Stop: St George's Church" - and they display the time displayed below.
They don't repeat themsleves as much.
With the old next stop annnouncements they would announce the stop a further time whether or not it stops there, these only announce it if it stops there.
The next stop announcements occasionally announce "24 to Quinton Road West", "24 to Birmingham", "X20 to Birmingham", "X20 to Rednal" every few stops, the screens also alternate to display this at this time.
I'm pleased to see they've finally started to update these, as the old X20, X21, X22, X1 and X2 next stop announcements were wrong. X1 and X2 - Announcing stops on the Coventry Road they haen't called at for years, such as Wagon Lane and Clay Lane. X20/X22 - not announcing a number of stops in the Edgbaston/University area, announcing after Bath Row the next stop is the School Of Education Stop, I witnessed one incident where that seemed to confuse a few passengers not familiar with the area and route.
Hopefull these are rolled out across all of the X1, X2, X20, X21, X22, 23 and 24 routes and platinum buses that serve these route.
I noticed the sheet on the rear top deck window of 6886, had partly been peeled of as well.
So much better this way and the bonus of the route and destination should have been implemented from the start.
On the subject of next stop announcements though, I'm surprised that the announcement for the terminus stop doesn't say "The last stop is..." instead.
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2018, 03:37:00 PM
They seem to have started to update the 23/24 and X20/X21/X22 ones with these new style next stop announcements, as I was saying above, it may be that they'll update them now with these?
These haven't been rolled out widely yet but I'm on 6860 now and I agree it's a massive improvement on the previous next stop announcements. More informative and less repetitive. Plus that strange nasal sounding voice that says "the next stop is..." has gone, which is a bonus.
6882/3/5/9 don't appear to have them yet.
I'm on 6860 and these announcements are like the London one. They are really nice. Only improvement is maybe a small break between the the Next stop and the stop name so it doesn't sound rushed
6839-x70 uncommon for the week
Quote from: mesub on December 11, 2018, 03:36:21 PM
Only improvement is maybe a small break between the the Next stop and the stop name so it doesn't sound rushed
I personally think they're much better and much improved.
They're not as repetitive as well, so they're not repeating "the next stop is" and then the stop name e.g. "Old Lode Lane, Hatchford Brook Road" about 4 times".
Plus theres the added benefit of the route and destination.
Quote from: Mike K on December 11, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
These haven't been rolled out widely yet but I'm on 6860 now and I agree it's a massive improvement on the previous next stop announcements. More informative and less repetitive. Plus that strange nasal sounding voice that says "the next stop is..." has gone, which is a bonus.
I agree yes.
I've got too much to say: 6136 is on the 23. 6855 I running in Pre network review announcements and it still thinks it's going to Carmel Grove and some person but hit an e400 on the 23.
The x1/x2/60 stop rammed with over an hundred people. inspectors present.
probably coz trains have been cancelled fatality at Marston Green
Quote from: cris 99 on December 13, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
probably coz trains have been cancelled fatality at Marston Green
I was on the train that hit the person. Not nice
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
I was on the train that hit the person. Not nice
Hope your alright. I guess you felt the contact. Must be horrible
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 13, 2018, 08:03:13 PM
Hope your alright. I guess you felt the contact. Must be horrible
Heard long blast on the horn, emergency brake application, then a noise like a shopping trolley under the train. Not nice, then followed by not moving for 102 minutes
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2018, 08:12:07 PM
Heard long blast on the horn, emergency brake application, then a noise like a shopping trolley under the train. Not nice, then followed by not moving for 102 minutes
That's not very nice at all. What did crew and train driver announce on PAs? You got to feel for the driver the most as he was aware what was going to happen, and to see it happen head on must be horrific!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 13, 2018, 08:18:17 PM
That's not very nice at all. What did crew and train driver announce on PAs? You got to feel for the driver the most as he was aware what was going to happen, and to see it happen head on must be horrific!
Just announced as an 'operating incident' on the train
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
Just announced as an 'operating incident' on the train
must have been very scary having a body underneath you anyway all thoughts wiv the family that had the loss 😔😔😔
Apparently National express had 40,000 Complaints about the 29 being taken off so they are going to be reinstating it back in February. Doubt it will happen due to the lack of platinums though.
Quote from: mesub on December 15, 2018, 12:32:00 PM
Apparently National express had 40,000 Complaints about the 29 being taken off so they are going to be reinstating it back in February. Doubt it will happen due to the lack of platinums though.
I doubt it as well, I love to know where they got 40, 000 people from!
It's probably 400 if not even 40! 😂
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 15, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
I doubt it as well, I love to know where they got 40, 000 people from!
That doesn't say whether they are complaints from 40, 000 individual people, so it could just be 40, 000 complaints from the same group of people complaigning over and over again over the last 5 months? It, could always be they've got complaints from people who never/irregularly use the bus as well?
Regarding, the lack of platinums. Could it not just be operated from YW using Omnilinks as the 27 presently is, why does it have to specifically be platinums? Or even Tridents from BC or YW?
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
That doesn't say whether they are complaints from 40, 000 individual people, so it could just be 40, 000 complaints from the same group of people complaigning over and over again over the last 5 months? It, could always be they've got complaints from people who never/irregularly use the bus as well?
Regarding, the lack of platinums. Could it not just be operated from YW using Omnilinks as the 27 presently is, why does it have to specifically be platinums? Or even Tridents, if it was to be operated by BC?
BC still has spare B7RLE's that aren't really all allocated to a specific route & often stray.
Quote from: mesub on December 15, 2018, 12:32:00 PM
Apparently National express had 40,000 Complaints about the 29 being taken off so they are going to be reinstating it back in February. Doubt it will happen due to the lack of platinums though.
I've just noticed this, according to the NXWM on their facebook page, "there are no plans to re-introduce the service".
"National Express West Midlands: Hi Luke, there are no plans to re-introduce the service"
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/posts/2234478389930516
I'm not really surprised it's not coming back.
Okay, so I finally got a ride on 6886 and I have to say the next stop announcements are improved overall.
No skipping anymore, much more informative, e.g Somerset Road for Vale Village.
A few things to mention though, I liked that Awold Road was added instead of saying Kemberton Road twice but for some reason it had some woman mumbling it and you could barely make it out. Also now it says Selly Oak, Sainsburys, but Sainsburys has moved. Harborne Lane was just fine. And sometimes it takes a while to say the next stop after leaving the last one. All in all though pretty good.
I did wonder about the temporary stop on George Road though, thinking it should be further up and judging by the timing on the announcement it seems like it will get moved further up at some point.
6147 and 4632 were in Kidderminster on private hire
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 16, 2018, 01:40:18 PM
Okay, so I finally got a ride on 6886 and I have to say the next stop announcements are improved overall.....
On the X20?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 16, 2018, 07:45:24 PM
6147 and 4632 were in Kidderminster on private hire
It would be 4634 as that's the tachograph bus
Just seen 5517 going down the Pershore Road displaying "Master Driver", what does that mean?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
Just seen 5517 going down the Pershore Road displaying "Master Driver", what does that mean?
Here's an article from 2016
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/national-express-master-driver-may-2016
I'll hazard a guess it was probably just a bit of banter on the driver's half ???
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
Just seen 5517 going down the Pershore Road displaying "Master Driver", what does that mean?
It means you've been promoted! ;)
There's a 61** on the ☓20 if anyone is interested.
6147 on X20
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
Just seen 5517 going down the Pershore Road displaying "Master Driver", what does that mean?
Master driver/ advanced driver / NVQ,s all to make NX look good in the bus industry.
IMO not worth the paper they,re printed on haven't done any of them, turned down master driver rather be working on my collection of cars , building projects from scratch is real achievement and its tangible , those who restore/ refurb buses I can relate too theres pride in when the job is a good,un.
Being Master driver or what ever else it's called still doesn't stop you from being verbally or racially abused for simply doing your job.
Not quite certain with the others, but 4949 has had its eBay wrap removed.
Quote from: CL on December 21, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Not quite certain with the others, but 4949 has had its eBay wrap removed.
So has 4947.
and 4948 too
Just noticed the 3 new coaches for BC on your coach fleetlist on the main site.
Are BC getting new coaches to replace their whole fleet of coaches used on JLR services at Gaydon and Whitley, as you did say all 23 at BC and CV are only temporary?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
All 23 being rounded up from around the country are temporary
Or are they only getting the 3 at present?
@Tony
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
Just noticed the 3 new coaches for BC on your coach fleetlist on the main site.
Are BC getting new coaches to replace their whole fleet of coaches used on JLR services at Gaydon and Whitley, as you did say all 23 at BC and CV are only temporary?Or are they only getting the 3 at present?
@Tony
I thought they were also meant to be the first 2 axle Levante 3's?
Quote from: Winston on December 22, 2018, 07:58:48 PM
I thought they were also meant to be the first 2 axle Levante 3's?
These 3 are from a cancelled order from another operator
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2018, 08:04:09 PM
These 3 are from a cancelled order from another operator
That explains them being on Scania chassis then aswell.
Quote from: 2206 on December 29, 2018, 05:13:59 PM
4939 is on the X22.
e400s aren't really noteworthy on the ☓22,
@2206.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 29, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
e400s aren't really noteworthy on the ☓22, @2206.
I would count a trident as one though
Quote from: mesub on December 30, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
I would count a trident as one though
At least 3 Tridents where on the University services this evening - 2 46XX and 4445.
Quote from: 2206 on January 02, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
At least 3 Tridents where on the University services this evening - 2 46XX and 4445.
that has happened a lot recently! I know one of their Platinums was involved in an RTC
Quote from: CL on December 17, 2018, 07:30:44 PM
Here's an article from 2016
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/national-express-master-driver-may-2016
I'll hazard a guess it was probably just a bit of banter on the driver's half ???
we always do it 😂😂 sometimes I put another route on😂
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 13, 2018, 03:38:37 PM
The x1/x2/60 stop rammed with over an hundred people. inspectors present.
I was the first one that they radioed to help out, coming into Birmingham doing a 60 with 4179 and got a radio call asking to help
@Tony will the x1/2 branding be changed? It's looking very outdated. And the route cards on the x1 are still advertising old routes that have changed since
Quote from: mrboshell on January 04, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
@Tony will the x1/2 branding be changed? It's looking very outdated. And the route cards on the x1 are still advertising old routes that have changed since
More to the point will the front and back of the 23/24 and Uni buses ever be done?
Quote from: mrboshell on January 04, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
@Tony will the x1/2 branding be changed? It's looking very outdated. And the route cards on the x1 are still advertising old routes that have changed since
Whats wrong with it? It doesn't look outdated in anyway to me, they updated the frequency and external branding on the X1/X2 branded buses after the changes in 2017?
I presume you mean the internal route maps on the ceiling, its not just the X1 but the X2 as well, it would be good if they updated and put new route maps on the University, Harborne and Coventry Rd buses buses.
Either that or just have the internal route maps completely removed of the ceilng of the X1/X2 MMC (and leaving them without the internal vinyls like the X20/X21/X22 and 23/24 MMC).
@Nx Sam,
E400's are usual on the Uni and Harborne services, they are the second type when there's not enough Platinums.
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
@Nx Sam,
E400's are usual on the Uni and Harborne services, they are the second type when there's not enough Platinums.
uni are usually tridents or b7s! Rarely see a e400 on there. Occasionally you will though
Quote from: mrboshell on January 05, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
uni are usually tridents or b7s! Rarely see a e400 on there. Occasionally you will though
E400 on x22. Tridents are noteworthy, and B7RLES on x20/x22
Quote from: mrboshell on January 06, 2019, 12:13:30 PM
6838 on BR 61/63
Are they not regularly common on there?
They do appear to regularly get on the Bristol Rd from what i've seen?
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
Are they not regularly common on there?
They do appear to regularly get on the Bristol Rd from what i've seen?
On a Saturday maybe. Not m-f or Sunday.
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
Are they not regularly common on there?
They do appear to regularly get on the Bristol Rd from what i've seen?
Yeah you do tend to see them appear on the 61/63.
Bristol Rd tends to get almost any bus BC has to offer.
Do you know how long its likely to be before the new MMC enter service at BC
@Tony please?
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2019, 09:19:18 PM
Do you know how long its likely to be before the new MMC enter service at BC @Tony please?
They're in service.
6947 & 6948 both on the X20/X22 today
Thought they was for the x70 ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 07, 2019, 08:30:44 AM
Thought they was for the x70 ?
They're unbranded platinums. They will do what unbranded platinums do!
Any one know what time 6947 &6948 are in town Thanks
6946 come out now as well - on the 22/23
Will they get any generic branding at all
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
6946 come out now as well - on the 22/23
The end for BCs 41xxs must be nigh?
:-X
@WestMidlandsTravels how is a Platinum on a platinum route noteworthy?
Quote from: Dom on January 07, 2019, 11:22:35 AM
:-X@WestMidlandsTravels how is a Platinum on a platinum route noteworthy?
Because it's a 68 plate platinum. So I thought it would be noteworthy.
Quote from: WestMidlandsTravels on January 07, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
Because it's a 68 plate platinum. So I thought it would be noteworthy.
It doesn't matter what reg it is, an unbranded Platinum will be used on all Platinum routes
Quote from: WestMidlandsTravels on January 07, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
Because it's a 68 plate platinum. So I thought it would be noteworthy.
I had already posted where all 3 were
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
6946 come out now as well - on the 22/23
Blast from the past!
6835(?) was on the X2 this morning now with new style next stop announcements, I notice there are a few differences in what it announces as well, e.g it announces "Dovehouse Lane" instead of "Jaguar Land Rover".
There was also a Pershore Rd Branded E400 on the 889 this morning as well.
A Trident on the 877 came into Solihull Town Centre this morning as well - though the school it would usually serve was closed today it seems, it came into Solihull Town Centre completely empty with nobody on it at all, it usually looks very overcrowded.
Quite a few of 23/24 Platinums now have the new stop announcements, Also why aren't the hybrid announcement facilities being used? Did somebody loose the manual or something
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
6946 come out now as well - on the 22/23
23/24 in this post South West Birmingham review era ;)
I'm actually interested to know the history of the 23 and the 23A
Quote from: mesub on January 07, 2019, 06:24:35 PM
I'm actually interested to know the history of the 23 and the 23A
23 was introduced in the early 1970's originally terminating at Woodgate Valley South, later extended to Field Lane, In the mid 1980s evenings and Sundays were extended to Kitwell as 23A, In Osctober, 1986 the 23 was extended to Wood Lane (23A Withdrawn). The 23 then changed to it's current route last year.
The 24 was originally a 3, it became 103 when it became the Centrelink bus, it became 24 in the 2000's
Thanks
@Steve3229vp Now I just have the question of why the hybrid announcement facilities aren't being used
Quote from: mesub on January 07, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
Thanks @Steve3229vp
Now I just have the question of why the hybrid announcement facilities aren't being used
I've also noticed one of the MMC at BC doesn't seem to have any next stop announcements fitted at all.
I've forgot which one it is now, but its either 6836 or 6838. It was on the X2 today - 14:20 from Solihull I think.
I've caught it on the Coventry Rd and University services multiple times now and I've not seen the next stop announcements working on it yet.
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
I've also noticed one of the MMC at BC doesn't seem to have any next stop announcements fitted at all.
I've forgot which one it is now, but its either 6836 or 6838. It was on the X2 today - 14:20 from Solihull I think.
I've caught it on the Coventry Rd and University services multiple times now and I've not seen the next stop announcements working on it yet.
6838, had it in Bristol Road on Sunday. Nothing.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 08:07:27 AM
They're in service.
6947 & 6948 both on the X20/X22 today
6947 was on the Amazon run this morning.
Quote from: tphi12000 on January 08, 2019, 08:12:52 AM
6947 was on the Amazon run this morning.
what service does it go onto after doing the Amazon
service
Quote from: Solo1 on January 08, 2019, 08:22:44 AM
what service does it go onto after doing the Amazon
service
Whatever running board the engineers decide to allocate it to
Quote from: Solo1 on January 08, 2019, 08:22:44 AM
what service does it go onto after doing the Amazon
service
Not in service.
The next stop display was stuck on "X2 to Jaguar Land Rover" on 6829 earlier today and the next stop announcements weren't working on it either, whilst operating an X2 for Birmingham City Centre.
Have the 3 new platinums got adverts on or just plane with the advert bars
Quote from: Hammad on January 08, 2019, 04:35:11 PM
Have the 3 new platinums got adverts on or just plane with the advert bars
Yes they do have adverts on the advert bars.
No Platinum branding though, if that's what your asking though.
Quote from: 2206 on January 08, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
No platinum vinyls.
Though they do have adverts.
ok thanks
Quote from: 2206 on January 08, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Yes they do have adverts on the advert bars.
No Platinum branding though, if that's what your asking though.
They do have platinum branding
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2019, 04:52:09 PM
They do have platinum branding
I mean the generic platinum branding that is found on the older platinums.
By Platinum Branding I meant it doesn't have any of those vinyls advertising leg room/comfier seats/usb charging/ and the platinum brand and 6948 never had it when I saw it earlier.
This is what I mean by platinum branding - https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/46429551111/in/photolist-23s6sCB-MnDXm8-28Spe4U-2bjDh1U-2cAmXMY-2cCWUww-2dEnjvj-PYEJVi-2b3Eo9Q-2dJe5Bi-2dJPzXV-2dJPuqx-NmDnhK-2d6RPwN-2aXH5sQ-2dmMjKs-yn9S32-ymf5Ww-29dM8BA-281rBj2-29aodRM-2a1F5Gd-29dMiA3-27iPs6E-29Zoss7-U5m5cJ-MLrZxj-29ZouNu-2a4FQbZ-29ZqgqJ-29ZozYQ-LiHpYc-2bWQj21-28Y2dLL-29Urpm9-QxgpTE-QxgvyN-2cF4H78-2byYZyy-vm2Wy6-QEtxas-QvZD33-2aZ8gDi-Qk3HUM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/31490050507/in/photolist-PYEJVi-HMr6nn-26fCNJo-2beJgX6-Enkb5i-NxYrgU
Quote from: 2206 on January 08, 2019, 04:57:01 PM
No they don't have platinum branding.
By Platinum Branding I mean it doesn't have any of those vinyls advertising leg room/comfier seats/usb charging/ and the platinum brand and 6948 never had it when I saw it earlier.
This is what I mean by platinum branding - https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/46429551111/in/photolist-23s6sCB-MnDXm8-28Spe4U-2bjDh1U-2cAmXMY-2cCWUww-2dEnjvj-PYEJVi-2b3Eo9Q-2dJe5Bi-2dJPzXV-2dJPuqx-NmDnhK-2d6RPwN-2aXH5sQ-2dmMjKs-yn9S32-ymf5Ww-29dM8BA-281rBj2-29aodRM-2a1F5Gd-29dMiA3-27iPs6E-29Zoss7-U5m5cJ-MLrZxj-29ZouNu-2a4FQbZ-29ZqgqJ-29ZozYQ-LiHpYc-2bWQj21-28Y2dLL-29Urpm9-QxgpTE-QxgvyN-2cF4H78-2byYZyy-vm2Wy6-QEtxas-QvZD33-2aZ8gDi-Qk3HUM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/31490050507/in/photolist-PYEJVi-HMr6nn-26fCNJo-2beJgX6-Enkb5i-NxYrgU
Then again will the non branded platinums still be getting this generic platinum branding? Given there have been alterations to the route branding as well, with the introduction of this new style route branding?
6948 in front of my eyes at Yardley only has National Express Platinum fleetnames on nearside and a red nearside advert.
Quote from: JoNi on January 08, 2019, 06:09:45 PM
6948 in front of my eyes at Yardley only has National Express Platinum fleetnames on nearside and a red nearside advert.
Yes, it is/was on the X2.
And it does have a red avert, yes , the red advert is advertising a film - Mary Queen Of Scots (In Cinemas 18th January) and its on both the nearside and offside of the bus.
There's a brand new driver on the 23 (new as if they've recently finished training) & There's a B7RLE on the x22
Quote from: mesub on January 10, 2019, 03:34:18 PM
There's a brand new driver on the 23 (new as if they've recently finished training) & There's a B7RLE on the x22
New drivers are now worthy of a post within the thread? Eh?
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on January 11, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
New drivers are now worthy of a post within the thread? Eh?
Perhaps if they cocked up the route somehow! lol 😂
One of the new Platinums on the X22 today, was so tempted to get off the 23 and ride it to town. 😂
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on January 11, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
New drivers are now worthy of a post within the thread? Eh?
Knew somebody would say something about it 😂. He was slightly nervous but apart from that he drove good. Only thing he forgot to do was change the blinds to go back to town!
Oh and on the 23, The announcements call Romsley Road interchange Field Lane now.
Question:
When the bus gets to Serpentine Road, does it still go for the outer circle or does it just say the stop name now. I have had the time to go out and check myself
Quote from: mesub on January 11, 2019, 11:07:42 PM
One of the new Platinums on the X22 today, was so tempted to get off the 23 and ride it to town. 😂Knew
One on the 60 and one on the X1 as well.
Just seen this today. Apparently NX are going to change the 61 route on a trial basis later on in the year? Any truth in this?
http://b31.org.uk/2019/01/councillor-claims-victory-as-national-express-agree-to-extend-frankley-bus-service/
So is this because the buses cover the of the area since the last review I don't know this area that well?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 12, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
So is this because the buses cover the of the area since the last review I don't know this area that well?
I don't really know this area well either, but if its to do with the service changes last July, then i'd think it'd be something to do with the changes they made in that area?
Looking at the changes they made to the 61/X61:
"- Two stops on Cornwall Road on Boleyn Road will no longer be served by the 61, but are only a short walk away from stops on Ormond Road", could it be something to do with this? Or is it something else?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 12, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
So is this because the buses cover the of the area since the last review I don't know this area that well?
Neither do I, but essentially yes. Maybe it's the area of Frankley that the 29 served?
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2019, 11:39:30 AM
I don't really know this area well either, but if its to do with the service changes last July, then i'd think it'd be something to do with the changes they made in that area?
Looking at the changes they made to the 61/X61:
"- Two stops on Cornwall Road on Boleyn Road will no longer be served by the 61, but are only a short walk away from stops on Ormond Road", could it be something to do with this? Or is it something else?
Yes it's to do with this. Instead of running from Holly Hill Road via New St to Arden Road, it will now serve the top end of Boleyn Road and Ormond Road to Arden Road. The Holly Hill area previously served by the 29 is already covered by the 61 following the July changes.
Fair enough I was just guessing to be honest, I don't know the Frankley Estate. Is it actually happening though or is the Councillor just talking garbage?
Another '68 reg on the 23 and 63. if the campaign for the 61 to be altered is going on. I wonder what's going to happen with the X22 🤔
Link: https://preetkaurgill.com/content/preet-calls-public-meeting-national-express-wm
Quote from: mesub on January 12, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
Another '68 reg on the 23 and 63. if the campaign for the 61 to be altered is going on. I wonder what's going to happen with the X22 🤔
Link: https://preetkaurgill.com/content/preet-calls-public-meeting-national-express-wm
Whats wrong with the 68 reg being on the 23 or 63, they're unbranded platinums, so they will be used on all BC routes which use MMC - so that's the X1, X2, 60, 23, 24, X20, X21, X22, X70, 61 and 63.
I don't see any connection between this and the 61 route.
If what you yourself are suggesting is reintroducing the 22, Well reverting X22 back to 22 for a start seems to be a massive change that would impact various routes - X20/X21/X22, 23, 24, 27, leave Quintion Rd with no service to the City Centre, etc. The 61 change seems to only be a minor route change.
I wouldn't expect that just because the she's complaigned it automatically means, that the service will change, though reading her comments (i.e hourly frequency on the X22) its probably not possible and not that simple for NX to make it more frequent than that at that time of night, due to reduced usage at that time of night, it probably wouldn't be comercially viable.
Sureley those kids are more than capable of a 7 minute walk and then catching the 23 or alternatively catching a X22 to the Barnes Hill or Quniton Rd (Northfield Rd)stop and changing onto a frequent 23 from there (if the 822 is as bad as she says), its not that difficult. I have to change buses myself to get to where I want to go everyday, and never have an issue with it, as I recognise we can't all have a bus service service to where we want to go.
For a start in regards to where she mentions that these people were not aware of any consultations or route changes taking place, I certainly recall NX having route maps available hooked to the handlebars of buses, info available in travelshops, notices on bus stops/buses, etc, there's only so much NX can do in my opinion and if these people were unwilling to pay attention to notice the changes.
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2019, 06:22:07 PMWell reverting X22 back to 22 for a start seems to be a massive change that would impact various routes - X20/X21/X22, 23, 24, 27, leave Quintion Rd with no service, etc. .
They'd still have the 27, so they can still change in Harborne...
In all serious though, any changes made to these sort of routes will have a domino effect and require further changes because of how they were done.
Kinda related I know wrong garage however I heard the birmingham mail are asking people for their feedback on the 94 changes I.e cooks lane with no bus etc
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 12, 2019, 06:29:57 PM
Kinda related I know wrong garage however I heard the birmingham mail are asking people for their feedback on the 94 changes I.e cooks lane with no bus etc
Cooks Ln, have the Claribels 94 which is being removed of Cooks Ln in 2 weeks, other than school journeys, I wouldn't expect Claribel would also be withdrawing it, if it was being sufficiently used.
No bus, is incorrect, as there's still the 71.
I'm sure NX and Claribels have changed these routes for a reason, if not enough people are using the routes or they could be improved, then they will change.
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2019, 06:33:11 PM
Cooks Ln, have the Claribels 94 which is being removed of Cooks Ln from next week, other than school journeys, I wouldn't expect Claribel would also be withdrawing it, if it was being sufficiently used.
No bus, is incorrect, as there's still the 71.
I'm sure NX and Claribels have changed these routes for a reason, if not enough people are using the routes or they could be improved, then they will change.
Well aware of that lol just saying people are going on about now because of the claribels changes at end of month and the press of got hold of it
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
Whats wrong with the 68 reg being on the 23 or 63, they're unbranded platinums, so they will be used on all BC routes which use MMC - so that's the X1, X2, 60, 23, 24, X20, X21, X22, X70, 61 and 63.
I don't see any connection between this and the 61 route.
If what you yourself are suggesting is reintroducing the 22, Well reverting X22 back to 22 for a start seems to be a massive change that would impact various routes - X20/X21/X22, 23, 24, 27, leave Quintion Rd with no service, etc.
I wouldn't expect that just because the she's complaigned it automatically means, that the service will change, though reading some of her comments (i.e hourly frequency on the X22) its probably not possible and not that simple for NX to make it more frequent than that at that time of night, due to reduced usage at that time of night, it probably wouldn't be comercially viable.
Sureley those kids are more than capable of catching a X22 to the Barnes Hill or Quniton Rd (Northfield Rd)stop and changing onto a frequent 23 from there (if the 822 is as bad as she says), its not that difficult. I have to change buses myself to get to where I want to go everyday, and never have an issue with it, as I recognise we can't all have a bus service service to where we want to go.
For a start in regards to where she mentions that these people were not aware of any consultations or route changes taking place, I certainly recall NX having route maps available hooked to the handlebars of buses, info available in travelshops, notices on bus stops/buses, etc, there's only so much NX can do in my opinion and if these people were unwilling to pay attention to notice the changes.
I think you have a short memory. The publication of the South West Birmingham changes was nothing short of a shambles. Multiple aborted attempts at posting partial and error strewn information on the NXBus website, and ridiculously late given the fundamental nature of the changes.
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
I think you have a short memory. The publication of the South West Birmingham changes was nothing short of a shambles. Multiple aborted attempts at posting partial and error strewn information on the NXBus website, and ridiculously late given the fundamental nature of the changes.
Though they did put information out 3 weeks before the changes from what I recall, I certainly recall travelling on various routes and even the 11 with information about the changes clearly onboard.
It was probably a bit late, but they can hardly say "they never knew", they simply never paid attention so didn't notice them. A number of people don't seem to and never seem to notice till the changes are actually implented with ever service change, regardless of how long the information was published prior to the change.
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
I don't see any connection between this and the 61 route.
If what you yourself are suggesting is reintroducing the 22, Well reverting X22 back to 22 for a start seems to be a massive change that would impact various routes - X20/X21/X22, 23, 24, 27, leave Quintion Rd with no service, etc. The 61 change seems to only be a minor route change.
Not suggesting that, just thought I should bring it up since the 61 change came up here.
Quote
I wouldn't expect that just because the she's complaigned it automatically means, that the service will change
Of course it won't, I'm just saying that it hasn't had a follow up yet.
It also mentioned more than that. Such as Woodgate lane having no service at all.
Quote from: mesub on January 12, 2019, 09:29:43 PM
Not suggesting that, just thought I should bring it up since the 61 change came up here.Of course it won't, I'm just saying that it hasn't had a follow up yet.
It also mentioned more than that. Such as Woodgate lane having no service at all.
There are some valid points in that letter, a number of which were cited on here at the time the changes were announced (e.g. most of Adams Hill having no service, hourly evening service for parts of Bartley Green including Jiggins Lane and Kitwell, poorer service for KE Five Ways school kids).
The point about the 822 is fair. I see it most mornings and it's often rammed. It's been operated by 4877 most days this week and it drove past the War Lane / Fellows Lane stop full the other day leaving 6 or 7 schoolkids behind. A lot of kids travel from Harborne to KE Five Ways and the 23 isn't as convenient. It doesn't serve the school - the nearest it goes is Romsley Road - and takes a very long winded route to get there.
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
The point about the 822 is fair. I see it most mornings and it's often rammed. It's been operated by 4877 most days this week and it drove past the War Lane / Fellows Lane stop full the other day leaving 6 or 7 schoolkids behind. A lot of kids travel from Harborne to KE Five Ways and the 23 isn't as convenient. It doesn't serve the school - the nearest it goes is Romsley Road - and takes a very long winded route to get there.
I presume the 822 replaced the 23A and the 22S. When I was walking up Adams hill in the morning after getting off the 23, there was the 822 coming down in a Volvo B7RLE and the bus was literally packed with kids. They didn't look very comfortable. Most of the King Edwards Kids get off at Bret Drive now. Most mornings though the 23 is full up with them which makes the service turn up late enough to have another close behind it.
Quote from: mesub on January 12, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
I presume the 822 replaced the 23A and the 22S. When I was walking up Adams hill in the morning after getting off the 23, there was the 822 coming down in a Volvo B7RLE and the bus was literally packed with kids. They didn't look very comfortable. Most of the King Edwards Kids get off at Bret Drive now. Most mornings though the 23 is full up with them which makes the service turn up late enough to have another close behind it.
Good point, Brett Drive is closer than Romsley Road.
08:21 X2 for Solihull Station from the Swan was a no show this morning and it seems it never operated, it was showing the timetabled time so the bus wan't tracking, and at the scheduled depature time it disappeared of the departure screen?
Does anyone know what happened to it?
Quote from: 2206 on January 17, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
08:21 X2 for Solihull Station from the Swan was a no show this morning and it seems it never operated, it was showing the timetabled time so the bus wan't tracking, and at the scheduled depature time it disappeared of the departure screen?
Does anyone know what happened to it?
No idea why, but when it got to city off the X1 at 07:54 it had to return to garage, same bus (6838) came out again after a short time and ran dead to the Wheatsheaf to restart service.
Possibly need cleaning?
Can anyone confirm what the 06.45 x1 from city to airport goes onto afterwards as looking at timetable it does not go back to city. Thank you
Quote from: 37351ml on January 18, 2019, 06:52:34 AM
Can anyone confirm what the 06.45 x1 from city to airport goes onto afterwards as looking at timetable it does not go back to city. Thank you
On school days it runs private to the Swan and operates an X2 into Solihull, weekdays during school holidays it runs private from the Airport/NEC back to depot.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
No idea why, but when it got to city off the X1 at 07:54 it had to return to garage, same bus (6838) came out again after a short time and ran dead to the Wheatsheaf to restart service.
Possibly need cleaning?
Thanks for the info, most appreciated
Was on 462* on the school 70 this morning any reason why the drivecam was flashing red
Quote from: Jordan on January 21, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
6840 BC X2
@Jordan how exactly is a BC Platinum bus noteworthy on a BC Platinum route? :-\
Quote from: Stu on January 21, 2019, 07:26:12 PM
@Jordan how exactly is a BC Platinum bus noteworthy on a BC Platinum route? :-\
Think he meant 6940 as hat is on loan to BC
Quote from: Nx Sam on January 21, 2019, 05:58:28 PM
On loan to Birmingham central 6940 on X2
Maybe he means this Pensnett bus?
Quote from: Stu on January 21, 2019, 07:26:12 PM
@Jordan how exactly is a BC Platinum bus noteworthy on a BC Platinum route? :-\
because 6940 is a pensnett bus not a BC bus
Can anybody explain why an X21 would need to run dead to Weoley Castle Square at like half 6 in the morning and run to City from there? It's certainly not timetabled to do so and quite frankly it's unfair on those waiting earlier on the route. Not the first time it's happened either.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 22, 2019, 06:45:22 AM
Can anybody explain why an X21 would need to run dead to Weoley Castle Square at like half 6 in the morning and run to City from there? It's certainly not timetabled to do so and quite frankly it's unfair on those waiting earlier on the route. Not the first time it's happened either.
There's several reasons why a bus might be late out of garage. It is not good but it happens
Currently sat on 6842 on the A45 with a *currently* undetermined fate
Apparently, a warning light has popped up on the dash and the driver is currently awaiting further instructions from the engineers as to whether or not it is safe to continue. As much as I understand the safety aspect of this issue, it does come as an inconvenience to a bus full of passengers.
edit: transferred onto the bus behind, 6846, that has skipped out Meriden now* - presumably due to delays
*didn't miss Meriden out in its entirety; came off the A45 and joined Maxstoke Lane to at least stop at the Caravan Club.
In my own experience, I'm finding the 66 plates to become evermore increasingly unreliable. I had 6833 on the X2 the other week, and the engine temporarily gave out under Bordesley Station. Fortunately, we were able to continue after a bit.
Quote from: CL on January 22, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
Currently sat on 6842 on the A45 with a *currently* undetermined fate
Apparently, a warning light has popped up on the dash and the driver is currently awaiting further instructions from the engineers as to whether or not it is safe to continue. As much as I understand the safety aspect of this issue, it does come as an inconvenience to a bus full of passengers.
In my own experience, I'm finding the 66 plates to become evermore increasingly unreliable. I had 6833 on the X2 the other week, and the engine temporarily gave out under Bordesley Station. Fortunately, we were able to continue after a bit.
They seem fairly reliable to me, I use them everyday on the X2 and have not seen one break down yet. Any bus can break down to be honest, occassionally i've occasionally seen broken down B7TL on the 11, so its not as if its only these buses that ever break down.
I personally don't see how you can conclude they're unreliable from seeing 2 breakdowns over the course of a few weeeks.
Quote from: CL on January 22, 2019, 11:51:33 AM
Currently sat on 6842 on the A45 with a *currently* undetermined fate
Apparently, a warning light has popped up on the dash and the driver is currently awaiting further instructions from the engineers as to whether or not it is safe to continue. As much as I understand the safety aspect of this issue, it does come as an inconvenience to a bus full of passengers.
edit: transferred onto the bus behind, 6846, that has skipped out Meriden now* - presumably due to delays
*didn't miss Meriden out in its entirety; came off the A45 and joined Maxstoke Lane to at least stop at the Caravan Club.
In my own experience, I'm finding the 66 plates to become evermore increasingly unreliable. I had 6833 on the X2 the other week, and the engine temporarily gave out under Bordesley Station. Fortunately, we were able to continue after a bit.
Buses work very hard and don't get much rest, they work upto 22 hrs a day, 364 days a year with only Christmas Day off and your moaning if one breaks down.
When have I moaned, exactly? ::)
I don't overlook the amount of work these buses endure on a daily basis. The fact that I've recalled only two experiences in which a bus has failed on me should surely indicate how good the general upkeep is for a working vehicle. Even then, on one of the occasions that I've mentioned, I have said that 6833 on the X2 was up and running a few moments later.
I haven't said the 66's are downright unreliable. But being some of the only buses that I've been on where these incidents have happened, I will begin to see a trend in this batch of buses. I don't deny the fact that other buses may break down either.
How come the 13:00 and the 13:20 X1 didn't turn up at the swan
Quote from: Jordan on January 22, 2019, 01:38:18 PM
How come the 13:00 and the 13:20 X1 didn't turn up at the swan
The 13:20 did. It was a few minutes late for the reason you have posted in the other thread, extra diverted traffic on the Coventry Road
501 is leaving Birmingham Central tomorrow.
I'm driving it back to Kings Ferry, who have a buyer for it
Does anybody know what route 6828 is on today?
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 24, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
4185 was on the X1. It left Birmingham on the X2 at 19:15, so if it manages to stay out all night, then it'll be on the X2 all night.
Very unusual working, I was very surprised to see this earlier, on a peak time overcrowded X1 16:45 Swan to Coventry. I don't thin i've seen a 41XX on there for a long time prior to this. Presumably this will be the last 41XX to work these routes.
The first time 4185 came in today it's destination was showing 60 and then it went out on the X1 actually I was the me and Jordan was the first people to see it this evening and then I saw it later on on the X2
Does anyone know what's going on with the temporary stop between Quinton Road and Barnes Hill? Is it going to actually turn into a bus pole or stay a sign forever?
See 4148 is still going, on the 63. Can't have long left now surely.
Is 6946 for Private hire? I'm on it now and it has this additional red box. Is it a tachometer/ graph?
Quote from: mesub on January 29, 2019, 07:55:18 AM
Is 6946 for Private hire? I'm on it now and it has this additional red box. Is it a tachometer/ graph?
It is fitted, but not sure what you can see as Tachometers aren't red
Quote from: Tony on January 29, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
It is fitted, but not sure what you can see as Tachometers aren't red
I was on 6944 on Sunday, and it had a tachograph fitted. It was located just below where the destination blind control was located, and it was black with a red screen. Was this what you saw on 6946
@mesub?
All of 6942-6951 have tachometers fitted
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 29, 2019, 08:18:33 AM
I was on 6944 on Sunday, and it had a tachograph fitted. It was located just below where the destination blind control was located, and it was black with a red screen. Was this what you saw on 6946 @mesub?
Yep that, my mistake. The WiFi for it doesn't work for it either
Noticed flags on bordsley green road displaying 97 97A since when was the 97A reinstated
Claribels are started doing a few journeys on the 97a
A tiny bus was on the 70 which then went on to X20 today can anyone confirm what bus this was
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 04, 2019, 07:32:12 PM
A tiny bus was on the 70 which then went on to X20 today can anyone confirm what bus this was
2135 is hardly a tiny bus
😂
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2019, 07:56:43 PM
2135 is hardly a tiny bus
was told by my mate it was tiny as I didn't catch it I missed it
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 04, 2019, 09:15:05 PM
was told by my mate it was tiny as I didn't catch it I missed it
The Urban 2's are bland, boring and lifeless, not to say they are really unreliable.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 04:33:04 PM
The Urban 2's are bland, boring and lifeless, not to say they are really unreliable.
You are entitled to your opinion on them being bland and boring, but they are some of the most reliable buses in the fleet and certainly not lifeless
Have to say as much as I don't like them, they are more reliable than most.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 04:33:04 PM
The Urban 2's are bland, boring and lifeless, not to say they are really unreliable.
I will agree with you that they aren't the most interesting for an enthusiast, but they are absolutely quality buses as Tony has said. In the West Midlands it's fairly difficult to judge different types of bus, no route is much more demanding in terms of terrain or speed than others (bar the higher speed sections on X1/X51 etc). Ride the 144 past Droitwich, the Cambridge Busway or most of Trent Bartons interurban routes and you can really experience the power they are able to unleash. After doing the 144 past Droitwich with a fast driver, I would dread to do it in a Streetlite or E200 now!
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 05, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
I will agree with you that they aren't the most interesting for an enthusiast, but they are absolutely quality buses as Tony has said. In the West Midlands it's fairly difficult to judge different types of bus, no route is much more demanding in terms of terrain or speed than others (bar the higher speed sections on X1/X51 etc). Ride the 144 past Droitwich, the Cambridge Busway or most of Trent Bartons interurban routes and you can really experience the power they are able to unleash. After doing the 144 past Droitwich with a fast driver, I would dread to do it in a Streetlite or E200 now!
I will admit Diamonds Urban 2's are better than the NX examples. The 144 is boring now, I do miss the E300' and Tridents.
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
You are entitled to your opinion on them being bland and boring, but they are some of the most reliable buses in the fleet and certainly not lifeless
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those B7RLEs were the best single deckers I've ever driven. Brilliant all round. All round visibility, performance & comfort. Everything you want.
Quote from: MW on February 05, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Those B7RLEs were the best single deckers I've ever driven. Brilliant all round. All round visibility, performance & comfort. Everything you want.
Completely agree, having sampled them as both passenger and driver, I found them the best on both counts.
Quote from: Dom on February 05, 2019, 07:42:55 PM
Completely agree, having sampled them as both passenger and driver, I found them the best on both counts.
Bu because they don't make any load noises, have any quirks and just get on with doing what they are supposed to do they are boring
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2019, 07:45:12 PM
Bu because they don't make any load noises, have any quirks and just get on with doing what they are supposed to do they are boring
Isn't that what the ideal bus should be? Simple, quiet, clean, reliable and quick?
Yes the ones we have now on the 144 will be 10 years old this year, and whilst I know they have been refurbished to a good standard, yet feel like brand new buses. Seeing I have a Streetlite (particularly the smaller version) on my duty board for a full 144 56 mile round trip brings absolute dread, yet the Volvos make it a breeze. I do like our Tridents too but they aren't reliable enough anymore to run it (and obviously don't meet the emission regulations anyway). The Volvos remind me of the Leyland Lynx and Dennis Lance which were both lovely to drive too.
Quote from: StourValley98 on February 05, 2019, 07:56:47 PM
Isn't that what the ideal bus should be? Simple, quiet, clean, reliable and quick?
They're not setup for performance, they're setup for maximum fuel efficency.
Having driven the Volvo b7 single deckers from new to date yes they are the best single decker I've driven
Smell of weed On my bus today was the worst I've ever experienced. As Soon as you entered the smell was awful. Feel for any driver who has to put up with that for a shift.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 06, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
Smell of weed On my bus today was the worst I've ever experienced. As Soon as you entered the smell was awful. Feel for any driver who has to put up with that for a shift.
Hopefully the new bus bylaws should solve that problem
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 06, 2019, 09:40:49 PM
Hopefully the new bus bylaws should solve that problem
Who is going to enforce it though the police are already over stretched with other cases etc that it's difficult to enforce
One thing I'd say about the B7RLEs is that the cameras seem to be not working on a few of them now. Or maybe it's just the monitors?
Can anyone confirm if the 08.28 x2 from solihull remains on the x2 all day
Quote from: 37351ml on February 07, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Can anyone confirm if the 08.28 x2 from solihull remains on the x2 all day
No goes back to garage.
I thought the BBC & call of duty advert buses was going to be withdrawn with BC new deckers as the contract was this December if I recall reading unless they extended the contract
Platinum 23 broke down. It's heading back towards the garage now?
Quote from: Solo1 on February 08, 2019, 04:41:22 AM
I thought the BBC & call of duty advert buses was going to be withdrawn with BC new deckers as the contract was this December if I recall reading unless they extended the contract
these buses are getting withdraw so no point putting effort into them I guess
I don't see the X70 to often. But do NX actually use platinum buses on this route, I saw a Trident and E400 today, plus i've seen quite a few E400 throughout the week? It seems as Platinum as the X21 which according to the Platinum page on the NX website and route branding is also a Platinum route?
Meanwhile they seem to have quite a few new Platinums on the Bristol Rd today.
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2019, 05:52:58 PM
I don't see the X70 to often. But do NX actually use platinum buses on this route, I saw a Trident and E400 today, plus i've seen quite a few E400 throughout the week? It seems as Platinum as the X21 which according to the Platinum page on the NX website and route branding is also a Platinum route?
Meanwhile they seem to have quite a few new Platinums on the Bristol Rd today.
That number being 4.
Random saw 6130 on an x70 this morning
They're probably only there temporarily, until there's space at their allocated garage.
Quote from: mesub on February 17, 2019, 07:55:16 PM
They're probably only there temporarily, until there's space at their allocated garage.
Would it not be being used at BC because BC are struggling/short of buses?
Is BC still hosting NX coach 410 which came from the Kings Ferry (think its a Volvo B9R/Caetano carrying reg. FJ12 GBE) at the end of last year? Other coaches in the 4xx & 5xx range seem to have all left BC recently.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 17, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
Is BC still hosting NX coach 410 which came from the Kings Ferry (think its a Volvo B9R/Caetano carrying reg. FJ12 GBE) at the end of last year? Other coaches in the 4xx & 5xx range seem to have all left BC recently.
No, all 3 KF coaches have been returned.
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
No, all 3 KF coaches have been returned.
Thanks. I assume only the 1xx and 2xx coaches remain at BC - although that's 25 vehicles (No's 110/113-115/126/128/136/143/150/152/155/171/235-239/257-264).
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 17, 2019, 11:39:21 PM
Thanks. I assume only the 1xx and 2xx coaches remain at BC - although that's 25 vehicles (No's 110/113-115/126/128/136/143/150/152/155/171/235-239/257-264).
Yes, that's correct, I agree with 25 allocated to BC. However, I suspect some may have or will soon be withdrawn with the 8 x new 68 plate Scania's
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2019, 11:42:09 PM
Yes, that's correct, I agree with 25 allocated to BC. However, I suspect some may have or will soon be withdrawn with the 8 x new 68 plate Scania's
Several have left, but I'm not sure which ones as they have not been changed on the system yet
4177 and 4613 are on Pershkre Road is anyone wants them.
4177 was on the 60 yesterday (26/02/19). This one can't have long left now?
It seems like 6885 is having problems as im on it on the X20 and it keeps cutting out midway through moving and all electrics going off and so the driver is having to come to a gradual stop and then apply the handbrake and then the ignition back on again its done it 3 times now.
4873 seems to be laying over in Woodgate Valley Layover, Not sure if it's broken down
Bristol road Hybrid Gemini just left chelmsley on 97.
I saw 3 buses at the wood Lane terminus. I presume that one of them is for the 822 (23/24) Branded. The other one was X2 branded and seemed to have come dead from garage. The 3rd one was either waiting for it's next departure time or was having a break.
Just my observations :)
(Was around 10 past 4)
4943 & 4948 both on the 23
I've seen 3/4 of the '68 MMCs for BC on the 23 and X22
Wonder what the X70 is using (most likely anything spare in the garage)
Quote from: mesub on March 23, 2019, 01:58:12 PM
I've seen 3/4 of the '68 MMCs for BC on the 23 and X22
Wonder what the X70 is using (most likely anything spare in the garage)
The 68 reg always are always on other routes.
The X70 probably has the usual E400. I think I saw one on there earlier?
Quote from: 2206 on March 23, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
The 68 reg always are always on other routes.
The X70 probably has the usual E400.
Or the unbranded older platinums...
Confusingly, the 23 now terminates at the following locations according to the various sources:
Printed timetables on stops: Woodgate
Online timetable: Woodcock Hill
NXWM apps and RTI at stops: Bangham Pit
Bus destination display: Bartley Green, Newman University
For visitors hoping to get to Newman Uni, it must be confusing. I wish they'd just settle on Bartley Green. Most people have no idea where Bangham Pit and Woodcock Hill are.
Quote from: Mike K on March 25, 2019, 05:44:35 PM
Confusingly, the 23 now terminates at the following locations according to the various sources:
Printed timetables on stops: Woodgate
Online timetable: Woodcock Hill
NXWM apps and RTI at stops: Bangham Pit
Bus destination display: Bartley Green, Newman University
For visitors hoping to get to Newman Uni, it must be confusing. I wish they'd just settle on Bartley Green. Most people have no idea where Bangham Pit and Woodcock Hill are.
I'm sorry but I disagree here. I think the 23 should say Bangham Pit as that's where it finishes. People from around the area will know of it, and it can always say via Newman University if need be. Although if Newman University was that important the X64 would've included it on the display surely. I mean, I have no idea where Cranes Park or Tile Cross are but I'm sure people travelling there do.
Quote from: Mike K on March 25, 2019, 05:44:35 PM
Confusingly, the 23 now terminates at the following locations according to the various sources:
Printed timetables on stops: Woodgate
Online timetable: Woodcock Hill
NXWM apps and RTI at stops: Bangham Pit
Bus destination display: Bartley Green, Newman University
For visitors hoping to get to Newman Uni, it must be confusing. I wish they'd just settle on Bartley Green. Most people have no idea where Bangham Pit and Woodcock Hill are.
The fancy black bus stops in and around Town say Shenley Fields
Quote from: OH25 on March 26, 2019, 12:22:07 AM
The fancy black bus stops in and around Town say Shenley Fields
I know, which is also wrong. They also say the 61 goes to Rubery.
They probably won't bother to update it though
Genuine question: What do you have to do to update it and how long does it actually take too?
Quote from: OH25 on March 26, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
Genuine question: What do you have to do to update it and how long does it actually take too?
Destinations are so easy to do, just edit them on the computer and put it on a USB stick. Really only requires time
Announcements: Depends on how inconsistent nxwm want to be, unless it's a major route change they seem a bit stubborn with announcements, then again they need to get the voice actor (Mr Platinum, not sure if he's in-house or needs to be hired)
Timetables: I think nwm/tfwm handles those, so they'll probably be updated when the timetable changes to summer.
Everything else seems to be changed though (even though names are inconsistent)
So I went into town earlier and I notice every ☓21 going the other way to be pretty full. Yet some ☓20s went past near enough empty. Why are the ☓20/22 prioritised over the ☓21 with Platinums. I know originally it was because they were express routes but that is no longer the case.
Also why do NX say there was not enough Platinums for the ☓21 when there's several around on other routes daily. In just 5 mins in town earlier I saw 3 on the 61/63 for example. Also the one that's on the 45/47. That's 4 already. You wouldn't see PB putting platiniums on the 65/67 and leaning the ☓4 say with Scanias.
Now apparently the 10/H will be run by Tridents so I guess that must be a busier route too.
The anti-Weoley Castle crap is getting boring now. I know I'll just get told tto shut up or whatever but it really is pathetic.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 29, 2019, 04:51:38 PM
So I went into town earlier and I notice every ☓21 going the other way to be pretty full. Yet some ☓20s went past near enough empty. Why are the ☓20/22 prioritised over the ☓21 with Platinums. I know originally it was because they were express routes but that is no longer the case.
Also why do NX say there was not enough Platinums for the ☓21 when there's several around on other routes daily. In just 5 mins in town earlier I saw 3 on the 61/63 for example. Also the one that's on the 45/47. That's 4 already. You wouldn't see PB putting platiniums on the 65/67 and leaning the ☓4 say with Scanias.
Now apparently the 10/H will be run by Tridents so I guess that must be a busier route too.
The anti-Weoley Castle crap is getting boring now. I know I'll just get told tto shut up or whatever but it really is pathetic.
Maybe 6994-7000 maybe for X21...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 29, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
Maybe 6994-7000 maybe for X21...
Absolutely no chance.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 29, 2019, 04:51:38 PM
You wouldn't see PB putting platiniums on the 65/67 and leaning the ☓4 say with Scanias.
It's common that a PB platinum appears on a non platinum route and vice versa. Be happy that there's a bus running on that board and not a gap in the service. Vehicle swaps can happen for a variety of reasons.
Quote from: Gareth on March 29, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
It's common that a PB platinum appears on a non platinum route and vice versa. Be happy that there's a bus running on that board and not a gap in the service. Vehicle swaps can happen for a variety of reasons.
Don't give me the be happy stuff. Obviously I'd rather a bus than none at all but that isn't the point
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 29, 2019, 07:49:09 PM
Don't give me the be happy stuff. Obviously I'd rather a bus than none at all but that isn't the point
All 3 routes need deckers. The x21 doesn't deserve them anymore than the x20. The x21 and x22 from university/ Selly Oak to outer city terminus could cope with single deckers during the off peak
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 29, 2019, 09:23:19 PM
All 3 routes need deckers. The x21 doesn't deserve them anymore than the x20. The x21 and x22 from university/ Selly Oak to outer city terminus could cope with single deckers during the off peak
I'm not saying it does. I'm asking why they deserve them more than the ☓21
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 29, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
I'm not saying it does. I'm asking why they deserve them more than the ☓21
Because of passenger loadings. Genuine answer and fact not guesswork
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2019, 08:24:40 AM
Because of passenger loadings. Genuine answer and fact not guesswork
Has a higher frequency than x20, x22 too.
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2019, 08:24:40 AM
Because of passenger loadings. Genuine answer and fact not guesswork
Don't believe that for one second.
Obviously to be expected in preparation for Monday - saw 761 route learning the 10S in Selly Oak earlier today
BC has e200s again?
There was a NIS e200 heading back towards town in California this morning. Presuming it was type training
Quote from: mesub on March 31, 2019, 09:28:19 PM
There was a NIS e200 heading back towards town in California this morning. Presuming it was type training
Type training is done around the garages not 8 miles away
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
Type training is done around the garages not 8 miles away
So what exactly was it doing there then?
Quote from: mesub on March 31, 2019, 10:28:16 PM
So what exactly was it doing there then?
Route learning the 10S
756 left on the first outbound journey of the 10.. at 7:43. In true 10 fashion. 🤣
4874 has aldo just left Birmingham not long ago, working a 10H
Quote from: CL on April 01, 2019, 08:06:28 AM
756 left on the first outbound journey of the 10.. at 7:43. In true 10 fashion. 🤣
4874 has aldo just left Birmingham not long ago, working a 10H
It must have had the wrong blind up. The first 10H isn't till 09:35. Although, both buses on the 10H cover the 10 beforehand, so it will be on there later.
Quote from: Nathan on April 01, 2019, 08:25:44 AM
It must have had the wrong blind up. The first 10H isn't till 09:35. Although, both buses on the 10H cover the 10 beforehand, so it will be on there later.
That's what I had thought! ??? I had to check the timetables again, before I realised it was too early.
Whilst waiting on the Stratford Road this evening for my 3 to home, I observed a Crimson E400 coming up the road still with '36 Sparkbrook' on the display (presumably heading back to garage), and it was a little amusing to watch someone trying to flag it down. ;D
Just wondering why it has Sparkbrook on the display, rather than 'Sparkhill', perhaps a throwback or old programming from when NX previously ran this route from AG?
Either way, seems a waste of a good double-deck to me, as whenever I used to see the 36 round South Yardley or Acocks Green they were running mostly empty, even with little single-decks.
Quote from: Stu on April 02, 2019, 08:58:59 PM
Either way, seems a waste of a good double-deck to me, as whenever I used to see the 36 round South Yardley or Acocks Green they were running mostly empty, even with little single-decks.
Maybe NX don't have enough small single decks for this contract at short notice and there is some sort of issue with using a B7RLE on the route? As the B7RLE are longer than a decker?
When Diamond ran it, it seemed to usually be empty during the day only carrying a few people, though one or two journeys carried a full seating capacity on a small single deck.
Quote from: Stu on April 02, 2019, 08:58:59 PM
Whilst waiting on the Stratford Road this evening for my 3 to home, I observed a Crimson E400 coming up the road still with '36 Sparkbrook' on the display (presumably heading back to garage), and it was a little amusing to watch someone trying to flag it down. ;D
Just wondering why it has Sparkbrook on the display, rather than 'Sparkhill', perhaps a throwback or old programming from when NX previously ran this route from AG?
Either way, seems a waste of a good double-deck to me, as whenever I used to see the 36 round South Yardley or Acocks Green they were running mostly empty, even with little single-decks.
When you get 5 days notice to run a service you use what buses you can find
I suppose most of you know BC is earmarked to close in about 5 - 7 years time.
Confirmed - Two new garages will be built.
RUMOURS - The areas will be Longbridge and Chelmsley Wood.
The new garages could be built at any South or East Bham location.
Quote from: B.C Driver on April 03, 2019, 12:34:40 PM
I suppose most of you know BC is earmarked to close in about 5 - 7 years time.
Confirmed - Two new garages will be built.
RUMOURS - The areas will be Longbridge and Chelmsley Wood.
The new garages could be built at any South or East Bham location.
Adderley St overflow site has always been destined to become a Park & Ride site for the Midland Metro in conjunction with all the HS2 re-development work / HS2 Station at Curzion St etc. The existing Liverpool St depot seemed unaffected and is big enough to remain, but I suspect the land it sits on is highly valuable & is prime for re-development.
A depot in Longbridge has been rumoured for years, you shouldn't have mentioned 'Chemsley Wood' Monkeyjoe will get all overexcited....
It seems plans have changed for BC's site:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/regeneration-plans-national-express-site-16064400
Quote from: B.C Driver on April 03, 2019, 12:34:40 PM
I suppose most of you know BC is earmarked to close in about 5 - 7 years time.
Confirmed - Two new garages will be built.
Let the speculation begin. What is the current status, and indeed state, of Lea Hall?
Is the new depot at Longbridge rumour doing the rounds again? I first heard that well over 15 years ago!
Quote from: markcf83 on April 03, 2019, 03:46:06 PM
Let the speculation begin. What is the current status, and indeed state, of Lea Hall?
Lea Hall was sold by NX back in 2014:
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/573683-fabric-recycling-firm-buys-birmingham-bus-garage
Quote from: Winston on April 03, 2019, 04:00:40 PM
Lea Hall was sold by NX back in 2014:
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/573683-fabric-recycling-firm-buys-birmingham-bus-garage
You wouldn't move out of one expensive old fashioned garage into another one. Specially on a site surrounded by housing
Quote from: Gareth on April 03, 2019, 03:59:43 PM
Is the new depot at Longbridge rumour doing the rounds again? I first heard that well over 15 years ago!
I'm sure since the collapse of Rover in 2005 that the majority of land has already been used for the new Longbridge village - Sainsbury's, M & S etc. The old Rover paint shop is now Longbridge Village retirement home. Further up Licky Rd new houses have been built.
The only empty bit of land is where the West Works once stood (opposite Longbridge Lane on the right from city) - and I'm sure that according to the hoardings this is to be used as a buisness park. That particular bit of land is vast though and stretches back a long way from Bristol Rd South.
So there could still be something in it...
Quote from: Tony on April 03, 2019, 04:17:15 PM
You wouldn't move out of one expensive old fashioned garage into another one. Specially on a site surrounded by housing
Exactly, that's why LH was sold off in the first place. That's both PB & no doubt BC that will be exiting old undercover garages in favour of new modern outdoor examples.
Quote from: Winston on April 03, 2019, 04:00:40 PM
Lea Hall was sold by NX back in 2014:
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/573683-fabric-recycling-firm-buys-birmingham-bus-garage
Couldn't remember. Thanks for that Winston.
The C wood rumours were on face book at the start of the year. If it's 5 years will probably take that long for East Brum to get it's fair representation of investment. No doubt the usual areas would have had at least two lots of upgrades in that period.
23/24 branded 6872 is on the 10 this evening - a real blast from the past seeing a NX / West Midlands double decker on the 10 again.
Quote from: Mike K on April 04, 2019, 05:57:35 PM
23/24 branded 6872 is on the 10 this evening - a real blast from the past seeing a NX / West Midlands double decker on the 10 again.
They've all been deckers haven't they? Unless that's just the 10H.
761 was doing the 10 earlier about 5pm into brum at the back of the liabry
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 04, 2019, 06:47:38 PM
761 was doing the 10 earlier about 5pm into brum at the back of the liabry
The third E200 will normally do the evening peak board on the 10 if al 3 are fit
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 04, 2019, 06:01:12 PM
They've all been deckers haven't they? Unless that's just the 10H.
Both buses on the morning 10 go onto the 10H so are usually double deckers, One of the buses on the afternoon 10 comes off the 10S so is an E200 mini.. the other one comes from depot so i'd imagine is booked anything that's spare.
First appearance of a trident on the 36 today - 4625.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 04, 2019, 06:01:12 PM
They've all been deckers haven't they? Unless that's just the 10H.
I've only seen a couple since NXWM took over - the other was 756.
Seeing 6872 on there took me back to the days when it was a proper 7 days a week double deck operated service running at up to every 15 mins in the day. After 1989/90 it was mainly single deck operated and by the time the Mercedes 0405Ns were being cascaded from BC, and Presidents took over (with short lived attempts at keeping it running as routes 110 and 102) it was dying a slow death as a service.
The driver of my 23 home this evening 6866 took an impromptu turn up Lordswood Road thinking he was on a 24, much to the bemusement of passengers. A sharp u-turn at the Court Oak Road island put things right.
Are BC operating the Solihull JLR now.
I think I saw a BC coach on Lode Lane this morning displaying JLR Solihull?
5512 on the 23 back to town. The announcement still have the voice of Phil Upton! It was quite nostalgic, I wonder if they will ever update them or add them to the 61/63?
The traffic lights at bottom of Moor St and Priory junction are beyond a joke. Waited over 2 mins there coming in and the same going back out.
What's going on with 4905? It looks all colourful as if it's getting ready for Birmingham pride, even though that's over a month away.
Quote from: mesub on April 09, 2019, 10:28:33 PM
What's going on with 4905? It looks all colourful as if it's getting ready for Birmingham pride, even though that's over a month away.
It is for Birmingham pride.
Quote from: 2206 on April 08, 2019, 02:23:42 PM
Are BC operating the Solihull JLR now.
I think I saw a BC coach on Lode Lane this morning displaying JLR Solihull?
that is a grey area, at the moment AG is still doing it! We have the blinds for it. There is a diversion route going past jlr Solihull if M42 is screwed
6826 - BC45, sat at Kings Norton Station heading towards Birmingham
@P419 EJW @Jack I don't think platinums are really noteworthy on the 63.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 13, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
@P419 EJW @Jack I don't think platinums are really noteworthy on the 63.
Yeh there always seems to be a few on there when I'm in Longbridge/Northfield these days
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 13, 2019, 05:34:09 PM
Yeh there always seems to be a few on there when I'm in Longbridge/Northfield these days
Yet they are lacked on the X21/X70...
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Yet they are lacked on the X21/X70...
I know, it doesn't make sense to advertise those two routes as Platinum but put all the spares on other routes that aren't advertised as such
Anyone know if the 45/47s will be interworking this week with the holiday timetable in operation, if so is is just in Birmingham at peaks etc? Thanks
Are 6886's announcements not working? Or perhaps maybe it just doesn't recognise the ☓21.
According to a comment reply by
@Tony on Facebook, the two Streetlites coming to BC are set to remain in the green livery, they should be coming down tomorrow, so I'd expect them in service fairly soon.
Quote from: StourValley98 on April 15, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
According to a comment reply by @Tony on Facebook, the two Streetlites coming to BC are set to remain in the green livery, they should be coming down tomorrow, so I'd expect them in service fairly soon.
Are they a short term loan?
What timetable is the ☓21 running to exactly? Are drivers confused or something? Because even factoring in the Easter timetables there should still be a bus at Weoley Castle to City for 6:59.
EDIT: Seems like it's 6:51 instead which means NX have posted the wrong tables. In fact click on the Good Friday table and the 101 timetable appears. Embarrassing.
Had a little nosey outside Liverpool Street, and noticed one of the Streetlites have arrived! Could only be expected, though. :P
Quote from: CL on April 17, 2019, 11:31:38 AM
Had a little nosey outside Liverpool Street, and noticed one of the Streetlites have arrived! Could only be expected, though. :P
That would be 435
It appears the ☓20/☓21/☓22 are interworking over Easter which has caused a lot of confusion for both drivers and passengers alike.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 17, 2019, 05:08:03 PM
It appears the ☓20/☓21/☓22 are interworking over Easter which has caused a lot of confusion for both drivers and passengers alike.
Why would the drivers be confused? They would know their running board order surely?
Quote from: Stu on April 17, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
Why would the drivers be confused? They would know their running board order surely?
Even passengers, surely if the correct number is on the display there wouldn't be any confusion. Other than if these passengers are trying to board an inbound bus to go outbound I don't see how it would be confusing?
Quote from: Stu on April 17, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
Why would the drivers be confused? They would know their running board order surely?
You'd guess so but it certainly caused some confusion for a driver yesterday who wasn't aware it was his bus!
Quote from: 2206 on April 17, 2019, 05:29:01 PM
Even passengers, surely if the correct number is on the display there wouldn't be any confusion. Other than if these passengers are trying to board an inbound bus to go outbound I don't see how it would be confusing?
Well yeah people tried to board a bus that said ☓21 Birmingham expecting it to change to Woodcock Hill but it changed to a ☓22 Woodgate.
Does anyone know why there are still 60Es terminating either at Sheldon or Wagon Lane?
Quote from: :D on April 19, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
Does anyone know why there are still 60Es terminating either at Sheldon or Wagon Lane?
Late-running due to traffic congestion?
I understand there is a protest due to take place shortly in Small Heath:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/thousands-attend-green-lane-masjid-16153865
That could be causing issues.
Quote from: :D on April 19, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
Does anyone know why there are still 60Es terminating either at Sheldon or Wagon Lane?
South Yardley as well
Rather than post the same question in each garage topic, does anyone know the years when each garage opened?
(I am not lazy, I have used Wikipedia and Google, but dates seem hard to come by).
On the subject of garages, as a bus user, I will never understand how ten garages in the West Midlands could hold all the NX Midlands services. They don't even look that big from the outside. Are the garages akin to the TARDIS? Google tells me NX West Midlands has 1,600 buses. How can 10 garages hold 1,600 buses? My micro-brain can't fathom that one. ;)
Quote from: Stephen Parry on April 19, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Rather than post the same question in each garage topic, does anyone know the years when each garage opened?
(I am not lazy, I have used Wikipedia and Google, but dates seem hard to come by).
On the subject of garages, as a bus user, I will never understand how ten garages in the West Midlands could hold all the NX Midlands services. They don't even look that big from the outside. Are the garages akin to the TARDIS? Google tells me NX West Midlands has 1,600 buses. How can 10 garages hold 1,600 buses? My micro-brain can't fathom that one. ;)
West Brom is split between its garage and the over flow circa 180 buses? Park lane circa 200 BC circa 200
@paulb1973 I think has the latest amounts in each garage
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 19, 2019, 09:40:48 PM
West Brom is split between its garage and the over flow circa 180 buses? Park lane circa 200 BC circa 200 @paulb1973 I think has the latest amounts in each garage
Yeah, I keep a running total using Tony's updates/Facebook groups etc. I'll re-post it in here - this may not be totally accurate, but hopefully not far off:
Acocks Green
6 Dart/E200 (733-34/831-34)
29 E200MMC (2201-29)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
45 Gemini (4519/21/26; 4635-75/78)
49 E400MMC (6111-48; 6701-11)
___
146
Birmingham Central
2 Wright StreetLite (431/5)
3 E200 (755-56/61)
9 B7RLE (2134-42)
58 Trident (4148/76-77/79/85; 4442-49/55-74; 4610-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
74 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50)
___
205
Bordesley
51 Scania (1788-1836/76-77)
__
51
Coventry
13 E200 (837-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
34 Trident (4370-76/78-81/95-96/98-4400/2-14/50-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
17 E400MMC (6951-67)
___
162
Pensnett
26 Dart/E200 (731-32/54/57/59-60/801-4/23-30/63-70)
21 B7RLE (2091-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
21 Trident (4306/8/27-28; 4425-41)
38 E400MMC (6101-10; 6915-42)
___
111
Perry Barr
3 E200 (762-64)
42 Scania (1863-75; 1901-7/25-31; 7019-33)
48 Gemini (4475-96/98-4507/28/30-34; 4687-96)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
43 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-55)
29 E400MMC (6796-6824)
___
169
Walsall
8 E200 (855-62)
49 Scania (1837-62/78-1900)
42 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-33)
20 Trident (4125; 4346-48; 4594-4609)
20 E400 (4733-37; 4856-70)
47 E400MMC (6712-58)
___
186
West Bromwich
19 E200 (758; 805-22)
23 Scania (1911-12/18/33-34/36-53)
22 B7/ALX (4228/30/37/39-41/43-45/50/53-54/59/62/64/66/70-75)
19 Gemini (4508-18/22-25/27/29; 4677/79)
81 E400 (4738-62; 4914-34/36-37; 4950-82)
___
164
Wolverhampton
15 E200 (751-53; 835-36/45-54)
65 B7RLE (2001-29/59-90; 2120-23)
61 Trident (4310-14/16-26/31-35/37-40/42/44-45/49-54/56/58-67; 4535-42/57-64)
1 E400 (4935)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
200
Yardley Wood
15 Scania (1909-10/13-17/19-24/32/35)
18 E200MMC (2230-47)
53 Trident (4382-90/92-94; 4544-56/65-92)
15 E400 (4718-32)
26 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44; 6968-69)
___
127
Total 1521 (including newly-received 6968/9 - I've not added 6970 onwards).
This doesn't include the NXWM coaches, I'm not totally sure on this, but...
BC have: 110/113-115/128/136/143/150/152/155/171/235-239/257-264 (BV19 XOX / BV19 XOY?) [24]
CV: 119/138/140/142/156/157/161 [7]
WA: 90-95/111/141/283 [9]
Fascinating stuff, thank you.
Quote from: Stephen Parry on April 20, 2019, 12:23:56 AM
Fascinating stuff, thank you.
Coventry over-night, possibly, holds c.120 vehicles within its walls under-cover, with the NX coaches and about 30-40 older Tridents/B7TL's stuck outside. I wonder if any other garage matches that. It was designed to hold 140-150 buses when it was built to replace Harnall Lane East in 1986. I assume by deregulation time they decided to dispense with Sandy Lane (which could house a similar number - and was only built in 1954) as Wheatley Street would comfortably be able to house the entire Coventry fleet of around 190 [at that time].
WA, WN, BC and others have larger numbers overall - but many buses are parked outside at night (which is the current way of thinking). Not sure at about PB - I wonder which of the ten garages houses the most internally/under-cover?
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 20, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
Coventry over-night, possibly, holds c.120 vehicles within its walls under-cover, with the NX coaches and about 30-40 older Tridents/B7TL's stuck outside. I wonder if any other garage matches that. It was designed to hold 140-150 buses when it was built to replace Harnall Lane East in 1986. I assume by deregulation time they decided to dispense with Sandy Lane (which could house a similar number - and was only built in 1954) as Wheatley Street would comfortably be able to house the entire Coventry fleet of around 190 [at that time].
WA, WN, BC and others have larger numbers overall - but many buses are parked outside at night (which is the current way of thinking). Not sure at about PB - I wonder which of the ten garages houses the most internally/under-cover?
All of YW's buses are garaged uncover as far as I'm aware. WB & PB must be up there, but both have outdoor yards.
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
All of YW's buses are garaged uncover as far as I'm aware. WB & PB must be up there, but both have outdoor yards.
YW park quite a few buses in the car parks at either end of the garage
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2019, 02:03:49 PM
YW park quite a few buses in the car parks at either end of the garage
Wasn't aware of that, not been past late at night.
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
All of YW's buses are garaged uncover as far as I'm aware. WB & PB must be up there, but both have outdoor yards.
That might be the largest 'covered' - I suppose it is possible to use Google Maps/Bing Maps etc for an overhead view of each garage and work out how many outside parking spaces there are!
In theory the Sandy Lane garage of old - could possibly hold the 160-odd buses of today (so the new WT wasn't needed!). But at the time, with Wheatley St presumably being big enough, the logical decision was made to close both Coventry garages of old, in the same year.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 20, 2019, 02:07:27 PM
That might be the largest 'covered' - I suppose it is possible to use Google Maps/Bing Maps etc for an overhead view of each garage and work out how many outside parking spaces there are!
In theory the Sandy Lane garage of old - could possibly hold the 160-odd buses of today (so the new WT wasn't needed!). But at the time, with Wheatley St presumably being big enough, the logical decision was made to close both Coventry garages of old, in the same year.
YW did have vehicles parked outside (rear and alongside the canal fence) in the 2000s. I recall seeing single deckers parked there. They may not need to with the current number of allocated buses.
Wheatley St was in the WMCC Tramsport Plan for many years (from the mid/late 70s). WMPTE had a lot of problems with complaints about noise at Harnall Lane (it was in a residential area). Like WA and WN, Coventry had nearly 300 buses in the early days of the PTE but there were successive 10% cuts in services in the late 70s/ early 80s to match budgets and the fleet reduced accordingly - at one time in the mid 70s WMPTE had over 2200 buses - that had reduced to around 1850 by the early/mid 80s.
Sandy Lane always seemed packed at the weekend with that long line of Fleetlines parked outside.
Quote from: don on April 20, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
YW did have vehicles parked outside (rear and alongside the canal fence) in the 2000s. I recall seeing single deckers parked there. They may not need to with the current number of allocated buses.
Wheatley St was in the WMCC Tramsport Plan for many years (from the mid/late 70s). WMPTE had a lot of problems with complaints about noise at Harnall Lane (it was in a residential area). Like WA and WN, Coventry had nearly 300 buses in the early days of the PTE but there were successive 10% cuts in services in the late 70s/ early 80s to match budgets and the fleet reduced accordingly - at one time in the mid 70s WMPTE had over 2200 buses - that had reduced to around 1850 by the early/mid 80s.
Sandy Lane always seemed packed at the weekend with that long line of Fleetlines parked outside.
Do you think Sandy Lane, had it remained open, cope with 160+ vehicles and the modern demands of today placed on it? It had only seen 32 years use at closure (about the same age of NX Coventry garage now) which isn't very much. In fact its mostly still standing today, albeit not as a bus depot! I always wonder if Wheatley St might rate as one of the last 'new' garages built to the old style, i.e. vast areas of indoor parking. Today that equals a bigger building and higher business rates. Bearing in mind this is the BC thread - the design of the replacement of that is going to be interesting (whenever that may happen).
I think the original capacities were based on 1954 sized vehicles so double deckers are about 10% longer and single decks a lot longer - they're wider as well. So I doubt it would be big enough but who knows!
I find it very sad to see the ex BCT garages going one by one - the next being Perry Barr - I remember these garages since the 60s - although just the modern H and S signs and NXWM signs take away a bit of the atmosphere. I would think the new BC will be a large proportion of outdoor parking. I haven't seen any detail of plans fir the tram stop but thought it was on part of BC's parking area which used to be Adderley st yard rather than the garage itself.
Quote from: don on April 20, 2019, 10:53:44 PM
I think the original capacities were based on 1954 sized vehicles so double deckers are about 10% longer and single decks a lot longer - they're wider as well. So I doubt it would be big enough but who knows!
I find it very sad to see the ex BCT garages going one by one - the next being Perry Barr - I remember these garages since the 60s - although just the modern H and S signs and NXWM signs take away a bit of the atmosphere. I would think the new BC will be a large proportion of outdoor parking. I haven't seen any detail of plans fir the tram stop but thought it was on part of BC's parking area which used to be Adderley st yard rather than the garage itself.
Sandy Lane hosted Fleetlines and MCW Metrobuses, but in later years I think that garage and Harnall Lane housed about 110-115 buses each (there was normally an equal split) so it can't have been too tight. Modern garages seem to consist of a maintenance/inspection area with pits etc and an admin block - presumably there is an indoor tyre bay as well. Most of the overnight parking is of the outdoor variety though, seems the bus wash can be outside too.
Perry Barr is going, eh?
It does seem a shame, given the history of each garage.
What's going on with the X22? One bus ran down field lane towards Romsley Road
Will BC ever get their route maps/vinyls on the ceiling of the X20/X21/X22/23/24? The ones on the X1 and X2 are very outdated as well now.
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 26, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
6970 is a beast of a bus
Looks amazing in person and already got the next stop annocements
Have they already got the onboard route map etc on the ceiling as well?
Quote from: 2206 on April 26, 2019, 08:58:03 PM
Will BC ever get their route maps/vinyls on the ceiling of the X20/X21/X22/23/24? The ones on the X1 and X2 are very outdated as well now. Have they already got the onboard route map etc on the ceiling as well?
https://flic.kr/p/TxtF5y Yess
Quote from: Jack on April 27, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
6945 - 63
Not really noteworthy at all from what I've seen.
They are on the 60, 61 and 63 all the time.
61 and 63 can get any BC double decker.
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 04:28:01 PM
Not really noteworthy at all from what I've seen.
They are on the 60, 61 and 63 all the time.
61 and 63 can get any BC double decker.
Yep I will second that, though it could change soon if the spare Platinums are utilised on the X21 with the Volvos moving out
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 27, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
Yep I will second that, though it could change soon if the spare Platinums are utilised on the X21 with the Volvos moving out
so will that mean bc is the only garage that operates double deckers
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 27, 2019, 05:53:37 PM
so will that mean bc is the only garage that operates double deckers
If you mean the only garage to operate only double deckers, no. They'd still have 431, 433 and 435, as well as about 20 coaches.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 27, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
Yep I will second that, though it could change soon if the spare Platinums are utilised on the X21 with the Volvos moving out
Yeah right.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 27, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
Yeah right.
I'm with you on it actually happening ;) The fact that the X21 and X70 are shown as Platinum routes but BC decides to allocate them on the 60/61/63 is somewhat confusing. What was the point of 6945-50 for the X70 if they're never on there, nor on the X21 which doesn't get very many
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 27, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
I'm with you on it actually happening ;) The fact that the X21 and X70 are shown as Platinum routes but BC decides to allocate them on the 60/61/63 is somewhat confusing. What was the point of 6945-50 for the X70 if they're never on there, nor on the X21 which doesn't get very many
Where are they shown as Platinum
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 27, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
I'm with you on it actually happening ;) The fact that the X21 and X70 are shown as Platinum routes but BC decides to allocate them on the 60/61/63 is somewhat confusing. What was the point of 6945-50 for the X70 if they're never on there, nor on the X21 which doesn't get very many
I had 6948 on the X70 yestaday and there on there a few times during the week
But 6945-50 are taco buses so are used on private hires and stuff
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
Where are they shown as Platinum
On the NXWM platinum website bit tony
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
Where are they shown as Platinum
On the NX Website X21 and X70 are shown as a platinum routes
@Tony and under the section listed "platinum routes" and also on the map.
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
X21 is also on the route branding of 6880 - 6889, as well as the X20/X22.
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
On the NX Website X21 and X70 shown as a platinum routes @Tony.
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
X21 is also on the route branding of 6880 - 6889.
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 05:56:58 PM
If you mean the only garage to operate only double deckers, no. They'd still have 431, 433 and 435, as well as about 20 coaches.
oh
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 05:56:58 PM
If you mean the only garage to operate only double deckers, no. They'd still have 431, 433 and 435, as well as about 20 coaches.
433 isn't going to BC
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
On the NX Website X21 and X70 shown as a platinum routes @Tony and under the section listed "platinum routes" and also on the map.
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
X21 is also on the route branding of 6880 - 6889, as well as the X20/X22.
As well as that 6945-6950 were specifically ordered for the X70, were they not?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 27, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
Yep I will second that, though it could change soon if the spare Platinums are utilised on the X21 with the Volvos moving out
To where?
Volvos are goin to WN
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 28, 2019, 01:17:22 AM
Why?
WN have had 2141/2 only, the 10 (H?) is to be b7rle operated
Yes an ex lea hall route is shown as platinum but rarely gets them surprise lol
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 28, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
WN have had 2141/2 only, the 10 (H?) is to be b7rle operated
That doesn't answer why they're going to WN.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 28, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
WN have had 2141/2 only, the 10 (H?) is to be b7rle operated
Thought the 10H was staying with y reg tridents? Also why have 2 43** tridents moves to BC? Presume there not trapped?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 28, 2019, 09:54:05 AM
That doesn't answer why they're going to WN.
WN have a new 60 service from today
@MasterPlan? So could be for that? Or to replace the 2 43XX to BC?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 28, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Thought the 10H was staying with y reg tridents? Also why have 2 43** tridents moves to BC? Presume there not trapped?
Presumably they'll be confined to the X70 or 36?
10H wouldn't need all of 2134 - 2140 either, only 2? What about the others are they staying on the X21 or going elcewhere
@SL 16 YPN Or can they get round the 36 route as well?
Okay, just to clarify, he said Volvos are going to WN. As 2 have already gone, I guessed he meant he knew more are going there.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 28, 2019, 09:46:15 AM
Yes an ex lea hall route is shown as platinum but rarely gets them surprise lol
X70 isn't ex lea hall it was bought in 2017
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 28, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
X70 isn't ex lea hall it was bought in 2017
Its predecessors were Lea Hall routes. 26 and 590. 590 later became the 90 in 2008.
Quote from: 2206 on April 28, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Its predecessors were Lea Hall routes. 26 and 590. 590 later became the 90 in 2008.
oh apologies I didn't know that all old routes than ran along it still count in it
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 28, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Thought the 10H was staying with y reg tridents? Also why have 2 43** tridents moves to BC? Presume there not trapped?
The tridents are for the 36 I've heard.
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 28, 2019, 11:14:40 AM
oh apologies I didn't know that all old routes than ran along it still count in it
My error I should have used the word corridor.
Quote from: 2206 on April 28, 2019, 10:05:19 AM
WN have a new 60 service from today @MasterPlan? So could be for that? Or to replace the 2 43XX to BC? Presumably they'll be confined to the X70 or 36?
10H wouldn't need all of 2134 - 2140 either, only 2? What about the others are they staying on the X21 or going elcewhere @SL 16 YPN Or can they get round the 36 route as well?
I believe Tony said those two tridents are for the 36, maybe the X21 is becoming platinum with the revised timetable so potentially if the 45/47 go platinum there will be enough platinums to cover all platinum routes? But this is speculation and NOT CONFIRMED
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 28, 2019, 12:59:24 PM
so potentially if the 45/47 go platinum
Or maybe if there are enough the 61/63 will go full time platinum?
There'd be enough B5LH for the 45/47 i'd think then.
Not noteworthy now
@MasterPlan X20/X21/X22 now imterwork.
6889 has come in on a X22 and is going out on the X21.
Passenger numbers show the double decker is needed. Leaving with a full load on X21, a B7RLE wouldn't have coped. Maybe BC will get some more for these routes. To remove the B7RLE from the University routes.
Would be even busier on peak trips i'd Think.
4876 is also on University routes as well as the Platinums and B7RLE, currently on the X20.
Quote from: 2206 on April 30, 2019, 12:45:41 PM
Not noteworthy now @MasterPlan
X20/X21/X22 now imterwork.
6889 has come in on a X22 and is going out on the X21.
Passenger numbers show the double decker is needed. Leaving with a full load on X21, a B7RLE wouldn't have coped. Maybe BC will get some more for these routes. To remove the B7RLE from the University routes.
Would be even busier on peak trips i'd Think.
4876 is also on University routes as well as the Platinums and B7RLE, currently on the X20.
All day? The ☓21 I use in the morning doesn't change to anything else. I can imagine they do in the evenings judging by the timetable..
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
All day? The ☓21 I use in the morning doesn't change to anything else. I can imagine they do in the evenings judging by the timetable..
Yes, that's what i've Seen.
Hence all the B7RLE on the X20/X22.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
All day? The ☓21 I use in the morning doesn't change to anything else. I can imagine they do in the evenings judging by the timetable..
Every board interworks between the three services all through the day
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:37:41 PM
Every board interworks between the three services all through the day
Well the ☓21 I went into City on yesterday left as an ☓21 also.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
Well the ☓21 I went into City on yesterday left as an ☓21 also.
Yes a couple of peak boards do two consecutive journies on the same route
Fair enough. I can't understand the sudden need for double decks though. The B7RLEs still have life in them.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:43:55 PM
Fair enough. I can't understand the sudden need for double decks though. The B7RLEs still have life in them.
You've been complaining about them, now you cannot understand the sudden need for double decks. make your mind up
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
You've been complaining about them, now you cannot understand the sudden need for double decks. make your mind up
Ironic really. It wasn't long ago you told me nobody uses the ☓21 anyway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:46:58 PM
Ironic really. It wasn't long ago you told me nobody uses the ☓21 anyway.
Which is why the frequency has been reduced!
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Which is why the frequency has been reduced!
My point is if nobody uses it what's the need for double deckers?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:50:54 PM
My point is if nobody uses it what's the need for double deckers?
Nobody said no-one uses it. If that was the case it would have been withdrawn. What I said was B7RLEs could cope on the old timetable, now the frequency has been reduced the same capacity is maintained with double decks
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Nobody said no-one uses it. If that was the case it would have been withdrawn. What I said was B7RLEs could cope on the old timetable, now the frequency has been reduced the same capacity is maintained with double decks
Fair enough, makes sense. I have to ask though, how come it got cut back to Woodcock Lane and not somewhere in Bangham Pit?
431 in the 10S with friendly driver on running 45 minutes late and he doesn't know the way past Selly Oak towards northfield. Good operator my ass.
Also 2137 has a faulty ticket machine my pass didn't scan driver said I had to pay, when I knew full well it was valid and working fine. Surprise surprise it's worked on all the other vehicles.
Second time in a few weeks that my 23 has gone the wrong way. This morning the driver of 4876 failed to take the left turn from Islington Row into Tennant Steet, instead continuing via Bath Row and missing the Tennant Street / Bishopgate Street section. I was deposited at the 'not in use' stop outside the Shell garage on Bath Row instead of my usual stop.
5505 has been out in service this afternoon. First time for several months
Quote from: Tony on May 02, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
5505 has been out in service this afternoon. First time for several months
Why was it at hartshores
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on May 02, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
Why was it at hartshores
For repairs. They are the main local Volvo dealer
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:37:41 PM
Every board interworks between the three services all through the day
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
Yes a couple of peak boards do two consecutive journies on the same route
Just seen an X22 and an X21 come in and go back out the same. 10 to 3 certainly isn't peak time?
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 03, 2019, 02:57:45 PM
Just seen an X22 and an X21 come in and go back out the same. 10 to 3 certainly isn't peak time?
Lots of journeys were interworking the other day, no idea if they all do.
Stand on Moor Street for a while and watch which go in and come out on which route.
Every one I saw the other day interworked at about mid-day.
Quote from: 2206 on May 03, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
Lots of journeys were interworking the other day, no idea if they all do.
Stand on Moor Street for a while and watch which go in and come out on which route.
Every one I saw the other day interworked at about mid-day.
Did you? How exciting! Are you sure the driver hadn't changed the number before you saw it arrive?
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2019, 04:52:39 PM
Did you? How exciting! Are you sure the driver hadn't changed the number before you saw it arrive?
Not sure what you mean by that, i've seen loads interwork this week, nothing to do with changing the display.
I was waiting for the X21 by Moor Street Station (not the terminus), I saw 6889 go the other way into the City Centre on the X22 then it came back on the X21.
Came in as X22 Birmingham and left on X21 Woodcock Hill.
Another came in as X22 Birmingham and left on X20 Cofton Hackett.
Caught the X21 back and the display had changed to X22 when I got off.
So I noticed they interwork.
Quote from: 2206 on May 03, 2019, 05:28:53 PM
Not sure what you mean by that, i've seen loads interwork this week, nothing to do with changing the display.
I was waiting for the X21 by Moor Street Station (not the terminus), I saw 6889 go the other way into the City Centre on the X22 then it came back on the X21.
Came in as X22 Birmingham and left on X21 Woodcock Hill.
Another came in as X22 Birmingham and left on X20 Cofton Hackett.
Caught the X21 back and the display had changed to X22 when I got off.
So I noticed they interwork.
Sorry, replying to Mr Masters not you
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:50:54 PM
My point is if nobody uses it what's the need for double deckers?
the b7 single deckers are being used for the university services mainly. So it's basically what ever is left or can be taken out of garage easily when the r/b is departing
Trains are screwed between Birmingham International and Coventry due to a broken down train which will lead to the X1's being screwed up.
https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/220502.aspx
6949 has had a trip out of the West Midlands today, as it was on display at today's open day at Alexander Dennis's Guildford Chassis works.
RRR 4362 on the 63, 4363 on the 97
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 30, 2019, 04:26:47 PM
431 in the 10S with friendly driver on running 45 minutes late and he doesn't know the way past Selly Oak towards northfield. Good operator my ass.
I was trying to sample that route and the streetlites, and this was my 4th attempt. That bus, 431, was outside Tesco (Quinton) yesterday and it broke down, I waited for like 10 minutes and then I decided to use 24.
Quote from: Sayeed on May 17, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
I was trying to sample that route and the streetlites, and this was my 4th attempt. That bus, 431, was outside Tesco (Quinton) yesterday and it broke down, I waited for like 10 minutes and then I decided to use 24.
Jesus that bus must be bad. The 10S seems to be seriously unreliable. Due to selly oak no doubt they will say
5505 isn't having much luck.
Broke down in City last week and now in the process of being towed back from Frankley.
4879 out on X2 today not sure if its out all day.
Quick question
@Tony,
The BC70 after school journey has been trident operated for the last 2 or 3 weeks now as when I come out of school there is a trident parked up. Is BC lacking platinums for the QE routes as they all interwork now, or is it that the school run isn't operated by platinums anymore so the QE routes will have the odd trident
Many Thanks
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 19, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
Quick question @Tony,
The BC70 after school journey has been trident operated for the last 2 or 3 weeks now as when I come out of school there is a trident parked up. Is BC lacking platinums for the QE routes as they all interwork now, or is it that the school run isn't operated by platinums anymore so the QE routes will have the odd trident
Many Thanks
Maybe it has something to do with the E400's going away for Euro 6 conversion
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 19, 2019, 12:19:03 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the E400's going away for Euro 6 conversion
BC might not have enough till the B7RLE have gone, now the X21 is also Platinum maybe?
Maybe BC will get the ones off the X7 with it being withdrawn, or some extra new ones?
Quote from: 2206 on May 19, 2019, 12:26:29 AM
BC might not have enough till the B7RLE have gone, now the X21 is also Platinum maybe?
Maybe BC will get the ones of the X7 with it being withdrawn, or some extra new ones?
yeah I think that to maybe the will get new ones and the x7 ones will go to pensnett for the 126 so then the rest of the crimson MMCs will come down to ag to join the rest I'm not saying it will happen but I hope it will
I think some of the '67 Platinums are having wifi issues, I've been getting gateway time out errors all day!
Quote from: mesub on May 20, 2019, 04:45:16 PM
I think some of the '67 Platinums are having wifi issues, I've been getting gateway time out errors all day!
6857 is today. The wifi wasn't working on the X2, I was getting that error message.
Not often anyone says this but the running time for the 23/24 between city and Five Ways, Calthorpe Road seems very generous. Most evenings most buses have to wait time on Calthorpe Road, and tonight 6949 was 8 minutes early arriving there. So early in fact that the driver gave passengers to Harborne the option to change to the 24 behind instead.
Edit: not sure if it's a directive issued to drivers but twice now on the 23 this week drivers have used the intercom system to tell passengers they're running early and how long they need to wait time (both times at Five Ways!). Good idea - might stop the d***heads who sit there repeatedly pressing the bell thinking the bus will move off on their whim.
Quote from: Stu on May 25, 2019, 07:40:54 PM
I probably should have made a note of the fleet numbers, but I travelled on two different Platinum vehicles on the X20 today (Longbridge to Cofton Hackett, then Rednal to Northfield) and neither had any audio/visual announcements/displays.
Its all of the Platinums at BC
@Stu. I'm yet to see one that has announcements for the X20.
Its because the announcements are connected to the destination displays. They used to display Rednal, but a few weeks back they changed the services and the displays to show Cofton Hackett, but never set up the announcements.
They've still got announcements for the X21 and X22, as they haven't changed the destination displays for those routes.
6949 had visual announcements today but no sound.
Must have been a new driver though as he attempted to go down Weoley Avenue before being told by an elderly couple at the side of the road that it's closed and to use the diversion, meaning he had to reverse back up the road.
Guess the X21 using the diversion the other way and the 2 big road signs weren't enough.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 01, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
6949 had visual announcements today but no sound.
Must have been a new driver though as he attempted to go down Weoley Avenue before being told by an elderly couple at the side of the road that it's closed and to use the diversion, meaning he had to reverse back up the road.
Guess the X21 using the diversion the other way and the 2 big road signs weren't enough.
It didn't have any announcements when I rode it on the X70 the other day
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 03, 2019, 11:37:06 AM
It didn't have any announcements when I rode it on the X70 the other day
No BC bus has announcements for the X70 either as far as I know
@Sh4318.
Only the, X21, X22, X1, X2, 23 and 24.
They've never set them up.
Quote from: mesub on June 03, 2019, 03:53:45 PM
You forgot the X20
Before they updated it to a more London style one, the 61 and 63 had them, and I heard some rumors that the 45/7 had them ad well.
Not from what I've seen since they updated the changed the displays to show Cofton Hackett. Numerous Platinums don't seem to have it at least.
Quote from: 2206 on June 03, 2019, 02:37:52 PM
No BC bus has announcements for the X70 either as far as I know @Sh4318.
Only the, X21, X22, X1, X2, 23 and 24.
They've never set them up.
You forgot the X20
Before they updated it to a more London style one, the 61 and 63 had them, and I heard some rumors that the 45/7 had them ad well.
I'm wondering how long the x70 is going to be around in current form to be fair, seems to be a platinum route that tends to get not as much attention and focus as others and always when I see it in castle Brom with light loads.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 03, 2019, 04:33:06 PM
I'm wondering how long the x70 is going to be around in current form to be fair, seems to be a platinum route that tends to get not as much attention and focus as others and always when I see it in castle Brom with light loads.
There was 3 tridents on the x70 today
4447
4363
4610 and only e400 4945
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 03, 2019, 08:43:17 PM
There was 3 tridents on the x70 today
4447
4363
4610 and only e400 4945
And Platinum 6946 and Tridents 4615 & 4616
Is it just me, or does BC have buses on loan for AG and and PB?
There was a 7 Branded enviro on the X2
A criminal MMC on the 24
And a X12 branded bus on the 45/7
Quote from: mesub on June 03, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
Is it just me, or does BC have buses on loan for AG and and PB?
There was a 7 Branded enviro on the X2
A criminal MMC on the 24
And a X12 branded bus on the 45/7
4818, 6112, 6704.
The latter half of your post answers your own question...
Are the Pershore Road branded buses debranded because of the back + side ads
Quote from: mesub on June 03, 2019, 09:26:54 PM
Is it just me, or does BC have buses on loan for AG and and PB?
There was a 7 Branded enviro on the X2
A criminal MMC on the 24
And a X12 branded bus on the 45/7
Nothing criminal about borrowing a bus from AG.
BC have plenty of buses at Graysons for Euro 6 AG have none.
Is PB and BY the first place BC will try to get loan buses from as when I look at the hanover on some of the platinums we used to get on the 70 it used to say not in service and then underneath it said BC, BY, PB not sure if it's in that order
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 03, 2019, 11:12:21 PM
Is PB and BY the first place BC will try to get loan buses from as when I look at the hanover on some of the platinums we used to get on the 70 it used to say not in service and then underneath it said BC, BY, PB not sure if it's in that order
The BC/BY/PB destination blinds are on one file. So all three depots destinations will be on their buses.
Same goes for AG/YW.
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2019, 11:52:27 PM
The BC/BY/PB destination blinds are on one file. So all three depots destinations will be on their buses.
Same goes for AG/YW.
and would PN and WA share a database
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2019, 11:52:27 PM
The BC/BY/PB destination blinds are on one file. So all three depots destinations will be on their buses.
Same goes for AG/YW.
Not any more
Quote from: Nathan on June 03, 2019, 09:29:53 PM
4818, 6112, 6704.
The latter half of your post answers your own question...
Are any of these out today or have they returned to their respective depots ?
Quote from: CL on June 04, 2019, 07:44:18 AM
PN & WB
wrong only pn blinds programmed in now
I see they've extended the bus lane on Bath Row into City. I wonder if a bus lane will be put in place going the other way too.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 05, 2019, 07:10:24 AM
I see they've extended the bus lane on Bath Row into City. I wonder if a bus lane will be put in place going the other way too.
Where do you think they are going to put it. Leaving room for two ordinary lanes?
Why do you need one?
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2019, 07:58:59 AM
Where do you think they are going to put it. Leaving room for two ordinary lanes?
Why do you need one?
Not sure what the need is for that kind of response or where I said I needed one. It was just a question. As for the 2 lanes, there would still be an ordinary lane going either way as it would have to go where the parked cars are now. If requiring 2 ordinary lanes going one way was an issue there wouldn't be a bus lane going practically all the way down Bath Row into City now.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 05, 2019, 05:10:35 PM
Not sure what the need is for that kind of response or where I said I needed one. It was just a question. As for the 2 lanes, there would still be an ordinary lane going either way as it would have to go where the parked cars are now. If requiring 2 ordinary lanes going one way was an issue there wouldn't be a bus lane going practically all the way down Bath Row into City now.
Going out of city on Bath Row is not much of problem for buses as far I have found while doing the 80/80A.
However I've seen a report by Bham City Council stating that Wheeleys Lane will be getting a bus lane soon.
4362 noted on Pershore Road today, wouldn't call Tridents noteworthy but reserve one worth a mention. 4363 I think on the Bristol Road too
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 10, 2019, 05:36:46 PM
4362 noted on Pershore Road today, wouldn’t call Tridents noteworthy but reserve one worth a mention. 4363 I think on the Bristol Road too
Tridents are practically always on the 61/63. It's more noteworthy for them on the 45/7 though in my opinion
Quote from: mesub on June 10, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
Tridents are practically always on the 61/63. It's more noteworthy for them on the 45/7 though in my opinion
Noteworthy for a 43** Trident to be on anything at BC that isn't the 36 or X70 surely?!
Quote from: V89MOA on June 10, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Noteworthy for a 43** Trident to be on anything at BC that isn't the 36 or X70 surely?!
That's what I thought yep. I certainly haven't seen many reports of them on other routes
Quote from: V89MOA on June 10, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
Noteworthy for a 43** Trident to be on anything at BC that isn't the 36 or X70 surely?!
Oh I misread, my bad.
Does anyone know what's usually allocated to the PM JLR J6 BC working on Friday's?
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 13, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Does anyone know what's usually allocated to the PM JLR J6 BC working on Friday's?
BC only use one type of vehicle on JLR - Levante
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2019, 07:04:18 PM
BC only use one type of vehicle on JLR - Levante
Cheers
4366 is on the 14 today for anyone interested in slightly unusual workings.
Do we have any idea what to expect on the 501 cricket shuttles on Wednesday? New PB platinum maybe?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 17, 2019, 04:02:19 PM
Do we have any idea what to expect on the 501 cricket shuttles on Wednesday? New PB platinum maybe?
Booked E400s from various garages
No idea why or how but the 23s have not been tracking on the NXWM app to city for over 3 weeks now, neither at my local stop, nor it seems at any inbound stop. I've looked further along the route and the 24 is working fine. Outbound on both routes also working.
Annoying as I use the app to time my leaving the house in the morning.
Quote from: Mike K on June 18, 2019, 08:49:45 AM
No idea why or how but the 23s have not been tracking on the NXWM app to city for over 3 weeks now, neither at my local stop, nor it seems at any inbound stop. I've looked further along the route and the 24 is working fine. Outbound on both routes also working.
Annoying as I use the app to time my leaving the house in the morning.
I've noticed that as well
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it was mentioned on here - not long ago - that BC runs a journey on the (PB)38 in the morning - is that still the case? ???
Can anyone tell me which services BC use their small buses on? ie 431/433/435 And do they only operate in the peak? thanks
Quote from: windy miller on June 25, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
Can anyone tell me which services BC use their small buses on? ie 431/433/435 And do they only operate in the peak? thanks
433 is currently in the paintshop
They operate the '10S' which is a daytime service (Northfield - Quinton)
many thanks
6857 has a sticker saying it's fitted with autocoast, what does this mean?
Quote from: mesub on June 28, 2019, 07:56:16 AM
6857 has a sticker saying it's fitted with autocoast, what does this mean?
The vehicle recognises when it's approaching a bus stop and cuts power to slow itself down. This can be overridden by the driver simply by coming off then back onto the throttle.
Quote from: AndrewLee on June 28, 2019, 09:01:45 AM
The vehicle recognises when it's approaching a bus stop and cuts power to slow itself down. This can be overridden by the driver simply by coming off then back onto the throttle.
Alright, thank you.
5502 on the 60
6945 noted on the M42 this evening returning to Birmingham from its adventure
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 01, 2019, 09:13:53 PM
6945 noted on the M42 this evening returning to Birmingham from its adventure
Other 8 returning tomorrow
Seen 4176 on after school 70 and then around half five I seen it again doing the 14 in alum rock towards Birmingham does it go onto the 14 now after just like the morning one
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 01, 2019, 10:07:50 PM
Seen 4176 on after school 70 and then around half five I seen it again doing the 14 in alum rock towards Birmingham does it go onto the 14 now after just like the morning one
The 70 does go onto the 14 when it arrives in City pm, same with the 829A going onto the 126
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 01, 2019, 10:15:17 PM
The 70 does go onto the 14 when it arrives in City pm, same with the 829A going onto the 126
thanks because it used to go onto the X20 before
There's a platinum (presumably 6945-6950, because it had no branding whatsoever) running on the 23 or 24 (may have been 6946), making its way into town now, Bath Row/Holloway Head
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 02, 2019, 06:28:31 PM
There's a platinum (presumably 6945-6950, because it had no branding whatsoever) running on the 23 or 24 (may have been 6946), making its way into town now, Bath Row/Holloway Head
That's one of their normal routes! Why have you posted this?
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2019, 06:30:40 PM
That's one of their normal routes! Why have you posted this?
*facepalm*
I forgot to mention that none of the destination displays were on/working
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 02, 2019, 08:59:35 PM
*facepalm*
I forgot to mention that none of the destination displays were on/working
Probably was one that had just returned from Glastonbury and the driver took it out without checking the destinations!
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
Probably was one that had just returned from Glastonbury and the driver took it out without checking the destinations!
I believe it's 6947, as I've seen it in Birmingham a couple of times this evening with "Private Hire" on the blinds.
Nobody spot the pensnett bus at bc this afternoon
Quote from: karl724223 on July 02, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
Nobody spot the pensnett bus at bc this afternoon
I was told that a 23/4 branded bus and a 97 Trident went over to pensnett
Quote from: mesub on July 02, 2019, 10:31:30 PM
I was told that a 23/4 branded bus and a 97 Trident went over to pensnett
You were told wrong
Quote from: mesub on July 02, 2019, 10:31:30 PM
I was told that a 23/4 branded bus and a 97 Trident went over to pensnett
Told they were at Pensnett? Or told they were on the 9... in which case they were more than likely the morning peak boards that BC run.
Quote from: Nathan on July 03, 2019, 10:28:43 AM
Told they were at Pensnett? Or told they were on the 9... in which case they were more than likely the morning peak boards that BC run.
They said PN but they probably meant the 9
Quote from: mesub on July 02, 2019, 10:31:30 PM
I was told that a 23/4 branded bus and a 97 Trident went over to pensnett
BC do operate two journeys from Halesowen (07:04 and 07:13 departures) to Birmingham in the morning on a 24 and 97 board. That's probably what your friend saw
@mesub.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2019, 05:17:38 PM
BC do operate two journeys from Halesowen (07:04 and 07:13 departures) to Birmingham in the morning on a 24 and 97 board. That's probably what your friend saw @mesub.
I had a jaunt over to the QE today ..... the only 'green' bus in service on the Northfield 10s was 431 and 12 minutes late...the Quinton 10s was 18 minutes late and flew past the stop without
looking . The bus (755) was empty and only stopped briefly to speak to the previous 10s driver. where I joined the bus. the service had NO other passengers between the QE and Quinton Tesco.at any time. How long can you justify a service like that?..... I did notice the unbranded 6993 on a 74 service ....is 6992 being used on the 74 as well??
I personally don't think the 10 has been publicised enough! In top of this, how many variations of the route is there? 3? 10/H/S... Why not have one, do some kind of loop and include places like Weoley Castle which has had services cut... Passengers (potential) need to know that this serives exists first though.
I was thinking about this before. As they are the routes surely can't continue on. Perhaps you could scrap the 10H and replace it with a 25 extending it to Northfield via West Boulevard and Weoley Castle taking it away from the QE then reroute the 27 to serve Black Haynes Road etc. Or even an X25 operating non-stop along the Harborne Road.
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on July 06, 2019, 07:01:18 AM
I personally don't think the 10 has been publicised enough! In top of this, how many variations of the route is there? 3? 10/H/S... Why not have one, do some kind of loop and include places like Weoley Castle which has had services cut... Passengers (potential) need to know that this serives exists first though.
The 10H I travelled on from Colmore row to the QE was bang on time. As was the previous one I missed by 15secs an hour earlier!.. I think either of the 10s options from the QE could be scrapped and the 70H service improved to a 30min frequency to Northfield. The public should not be expected to wait for a continually late (or non- existent) service.. The woman who had anticipated the Quinton 10S gave up and called a taxi.......
Quote from: windy miller on July 06, 2019, 05:32:20 PM
I think either of the 10s options from the QE could be scrapped and the 70H service improved to a 30min frequency to Northfield.
Would there be much demand for an increased frequency on the 10H between QE and City Centre? The only time I've seen with more than a few passengers on is when something had gone wrong with the X20/X21/X22.
QE to City Centre is covered by the X20/X21/X22 at an every 6 - 7 minute frequency and taking a more direct route.
Hagley Road Routes, 80 and 23/24 in sections are close by and serve other areas of the route.
The only road that doesn't have another service covering it is Monument Road in Ladywood and I've seen a few people get of there when I've used it, so maybe amend/divert something else down there to cover that road and scrap the rest of the route between QE and City Centre.
The 10H/S doesn't seem the most punctual of services either
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 06, 2019, 06:50:56 PM
The 10H/S doesn't seem the most punctual of services either
pensnetts X10 10A 10C are reliable
Quote from: karl724223 on July 06, 2019, 07:21:59 PM
pensnetts X10 10A 10C are reliable
The x10 isn't the greatest for reliability especially at peak
4630 - 23
The photo of 7507 on the main site shows it parked at BC. On the wall behind it there's a sign saying 'hybrid bus parking only'. May I ask why the hybrids need their own parking area?
Quote from: Gareth on July 10, 2019, 02:41:07 PM
The photo of 7507 on the main site shows it parked at BC. On the wall behind it there's a sign saying 'hybrid bus parking only'. May I ask why the hybrids need their own parking area?
Can't think why! They were always parked inside the garage apart from a short spell parking up Adderly St. They always seem to be under cover again now...
I think I read on here somewhere that a Streetlite/E200 does one of the PM peak journeys on the 10 into Birmingham City Centre sometimes?
Is this still the case? And does anyone know which journeys it does on the 10?
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
I think I read on here somewhere that a Streetlite/E200 does one of the PM peak journeys on the 10 into Birmingham City Centre sometimes?
Is this still the case? And does anyone know which journeys it does on the 10?
Only one of them does. 10S/01. Finishes the 10S at 15:55 (Quinton), runs private to Four Dwellings School to take up a 10 at 16:26, arr. Colmore Row 17:00. Does the 17:05 & 18:30 departures.
10/01 covers one trip on the 10 at 15:35 from Colmore Row after coming off the 10H. It goes back to depot upon arrival at Four Dwellings.
10/02 is the other bus that comes off the 10H and covers as the other bus on the afternoon 10.
How is the 10 fairing now back in NX hands, I seems like a good alternative to Hagley Road services to Quinton
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 11, 2019, 08:56:38 PM
How is the 10 fairing now back in NX hands, I seems like a good alternative to Hagley Road services to Quinton
Not good from my experience
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 11, 2019, 08:56:38 PM
How is the 10 fairing now back in NX hands, I seems like a good alternative to Hagley Road services to Quinton
It's a route that has been dying the slowest of deaths. I'm surprised it's still around to be honest.
The 24 is the most convenient Harley Road alternative into Quinton
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2019, 10:05:10 PM
It's a route that has been dying the slowest of deaths. I'm surprised it's still around to be honest.
The 24 is the most convenient Harley Road alternative into Quinton
The 10H takes a long winded route after Harborne through the QE, University, Edgbaston and Ladywood.
Not a very convenient route from Quinton. Never looks very well patronised when I see it, the 2 I saw in Edgbaston today were completely empty. The hourly frequency, isn't convenient either.
The areas the 10H serves between Harborne/QE and City Centre are mostly all well served by other routes at high frequencies, X20/X21/X22, 23/24, Hagley Road and 80.
Quote from: Nathan on July 11, 2019, 08:46:48 PM
Only one of them does. 10S/01. Finishes the 10S at 15:55 (Quinton), runs private to Four Dwellings School to take up a 10 at 16:26, arr. Colmore Row 17:00. Does the 17:05 & 18:30 departures.
10/01 covers one trip on the 10 at 15:35 from Colmore Row after coming off the 10H. It goes back to depot upon arrival at Four Dwellings.
10/02 is the other bus that comes off the 10H and covers as the other bus on the afternoon 10.
Thankyou for the info.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2019, 10:05:10 PM
It's a route that has been dying the slowest of deaths. I'm surprised it's still around to be honest.
The 24 is the most convenient Harley Road alternative into Quinton
It would've survived if it was reliable.
If the bus stop positioned on to the 23/24 stop at Colmore Row, it would've have made difference with the passenger loading.
iGo managed the whole 10 routes well, I don't how NX managed to mishandle them. Since the takeover, I've caught 10 route once in the evening, luckily and it wasn't even on time, and I was the only one in the bus from Broad St to West Boulevard/Quinton Rd West. It broke my personal record, took me there just under 15 minutes. After that, I given up waiting for over 20 minutes.
I think the 10H and 10 routes need to be integrated more with the 23 and 24 in Birmingham.
The 10H should follow the same loop as the 23/24 and have the same stops. The 10 should use the same stops at Colmore Row and exiting the city.
The 10 should be a popular route as it is by far the quickest route to Quinton from the city at peak times. I would have expected it to get busier under NXWM. Perhaps the fact that it no longer uses Quinton Road West is an issue and it should be reinstated along there rather that using Highfield Lane and Simmons Drive.
The 10H I believe the change of route via the QE has made it a much less attractive option if going end to end. Those in Quinton already have the more established 19 (244). The 10H hourly frequency can't help either. I would cut the QE diversion out and run them route as it was before.
What are loadings on the 10S like and is the extension to Northfield well used?
Something surely has to be done with these routes at some point as they can't be viable as they are now. I agree with the integration with the 23 and 24 but I'd say the 10H rather than the 10 as it goes to Harborne anyway and could probably become a 25.
But either way these routes need disecting and covered elsewhere really.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 12, 2019, 07:32:51 AM
Something surely has to be done with these routes at some point as they can't be viable as they are now. I agree with the integration with the 23 and 24 but I'd say the 10H rather than the 10 as it goes to Harborne anyway and could probably become a 25.
But either way these routes need disecting and covered elsewhere really.
Having caught the 10H today from Birmingham it picked up a family of three on broad street who go off at the old Punch Bowl round about and 4 people at the swimming baths who stayed on until Tesco.
I was surprised no one got on or off at the QE until I realised the the 10H and 10S are timed to leave the QE towards Quinton at the same time as the 19. Although the routes are different a combined 15 minute frequency with the 19 leaving the QE might improve passenger numbers.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 13, 2019, 09:16:22 PM
Having caught the 10H today from Birmingham it picked up a family of three on broad street who go off at the old Punch Bowl round about and 4 people at the swimming baths who stayed on until Tesco.
I was surprised no one got on or off at the QE until I realised the the 10H and 10S are timed to leave the QE towards Quinton at the same time as the 19. Although the routes are different a combined 15 minute frequency with the 19 leaving the QE might improve passenger numbers.
Agreed that is a bit stupid. The 48 only leaves 5 minutes after too!! The 19 is nearly always going to get more passengers than the 10H as it arrives before and starts boarding before the 10H does, especially when majority of time it seems to be late
Talking of tendered services: I saw 4939 on the 36 a few times today on Stratford Road and in Acocks Green, it carried no more than a few people. The route could easily use a SWB like the former operators did. Also it would go better if more people knew about the service then it would be better patronised. Another thing is why are BC operating it when stops yards away from
AG? Dead mileage?
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2019, 09:29:07 PM
Talking of tendered services: I saw 4939 on the 36 a few times today on Stratford Road and in Acocks Green, it carried no more than a few people. The route could easily use a SWB like the former operators did. Also it would go better if more people knew about the service then it would be better patronised. Another thing is why are BC operating it when stops yards away from
AG? Dead mileage?
And where would those swb come from. Don't you think I would havevallicated minis if there were any.
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2019, 09:52:32 PM
And where would those swb come from. Don't you think I would havevallicated minis if there were any.
Should have just bought some ex igo ones? When they use B7RLES on the x20/x21/x22 when they need deckers and then there's a tendered roaming around empty with 70 seats free, it is rather annoying from a passenger perspective
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 13, 2019, 10:08:10 PM
Should have just bought some ex igo ones? When they use B7RLES on the x20/x21/x22 when they need deckers and then there's a tendered roaming around empty with 70 seats free, it is rather annoying from a passenger perspective
Tbf I don't think an Urban 2 would be able to do some of the tight turns on the 36. A LWB E200 could probably get around them. Or NX could of probably bought a couple of second hand iGo SWB's but NX don't seem to like buying second hand, 731-734 are an exception, but they probably don't because of how unreliable they are and probably put them off buying them.
Is it me or are the frequencies never updated on the website? For example the 23 doesn't every 15 minutes any more.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 13, 2019, 09:24:26 PM
Agreed that is a bit stupid. The 48 only leaves 5 minutes after too!! The 19 is nearly always going to get more passengers than the 10H as it arrives before and starts boarding before the 10H does, especially when majority of time it seems to be late
You're forgetting that the 10's are tendered services, NXWM are not responsible for the timetabling.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 13, 2019, 10:08:10 PM
Should have just bought some ex igo ones? When they use B7RLES on the x20/x21/x22 when they need deckers and then there's a tendered roaming around empty with 70 seats free, it is rather annoying from a passenger perspective
If you could get a B7RLE around the 36 it would be operated by them.
Why should NX have bought some ex Igo vehicles, do you know who was selling them, the condition of them, what price they wanted?
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2019, 09:11:20 AM
If you could get a B7RLE around the 36 it would be operated by them.
Why should NX have bought some ex Igo vehicles, do you know who was selling them, the condition of them, what price they wanted?
Look at how many routes you've said can't have B7RLES round. I remember the 222 used to have B7RLES, all be it not ideal. Why did you take on the contract if you haven't got buses to use on them?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 14, 2019, 09:36:58 AM
Look at how many routes you've said can't have B7RLES round. I remember the 222 used to have B7RLES, all be it not ideal. Why did you take on the contract if you haven't got buses to use on them?
I'm referring to the 36 which is the original question, which is too tight around the roads in Acocks Green for a B7RLE. NX did have buses to operate the routes parked up 43xx tridents which is the main allocation for that route.
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2019, 09:49:55 AM
I'm referring to the 36 which is the original question, which is too tight around the roads in Acocks Green for a B7RLE. NX did have buses to operate the routes parked up 43xx tridents which is the main allocation for that route.
Can a E200 MMC get round the A12 route, I've never seen one on there. But I assume so as, Diamond used to use long single deckers on that route years ago in 2015, for a while 30933 and 30402 were allocated daily?
Quote from: 2206 on July 14, 2019, 09:56:32 AM
Can a E200 MMC get round the A12 route, I've never seen one on there.
I would have thought so. When NX operated it before (as 30/S3) it used full length singles (B10L and occasionally B7RLE), that was of course when it operated directly along Richmond Road, not sure if that new section via Lyndon Road has changed things.
Quote from: Stu on July 14, 2019, 10:02:11 AM
I would have thought so. When NX operated it before (as 30/S3) it used full length singles (B10L and occasionally B7RLE), that was of course when it operated directly along Richmond Road, not sure if that new section via Lyndon Road has changed things.
No, they cannot. E200MMC have a longer wheelbase and worse turning circle than B10L & B7RLE etc
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2019, 10:04:03 AM
No, they cannot. E200MMC have a longer wheelbase and worse turning circle than B10L & B7RLE etc
Ah, I see now, thanks for the clarification. I used to catch the 30/S3 regularly, and I do recall some of the turns were just about manageable for those vehicles (Lincoln Road / The Avenue / Lincoln Rd N springs to mind), the B6LEs coped quite well, as did the Metrobuses.
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2019, 10:04:03 AM
No, they cannot. E200MMC have a longer wheelbase and worse turning circle than B10L & B7RLE etc
Thanks for the info.
Next stop announcements on 6882 don't appear to be working.
Crimson 433 on the road for the first time today
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
Crimson 433 on the road for the first time today
It was out on the 10S yesterday but didn't have any destination showing, so I assume you couldn't see it on the tracker
Has All of the pershore road branded buses been debranded?
Will 6945-50 receive any branding?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 16, 2019, 07:33:55 AM
Next stop announcements on 6882 don't appear to be working.
6883 appears to be the same.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 19, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Will 6945-50 receive any branding?
No. I think Tony has said as much before, considering they are fitted with tachographs along with 6941-44.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 25, 2019, 05:04:50 PM
No. I think Tony has said as much before, considering they are fitted with tachographs along with 6941-44.
Yes but surely they can still get the generic branding? The others have.
Watch out for 7 surprise arrivals for allocation to BC next week! (I haven't got the registrations before anyone asks)
Quote from: Tony on July 25, 2019, 09:39:07 PM
Watch out for 7 surprise arrivals for allocation to BC next week! (I haven't got the registrations before anyone asks)
Watch us get excited for it to be 7 new coaches haha
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 25, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
Watch us get excited for it to be 7 new coaches haha
Or seven new short e200s
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 25, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
Watch us get excited for it to be 7 new coaches haha
Tony said ATG are finishing next week, so could it be that BC will get the Birmingham City Council bus contracts that ATG currently use the E200/Solo on?
Four additions to the fleet at BC for contract only work are
765 YX18 KZE
766 SK68 LXY
767 SK68 LZP
768 YX68 UJT
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
Four additions to the fleet at BC for contract only work are
765 YX18 KZE
766 SK68 LXY
767 SK68 LZP
768 YX68 UJT
Are these officially Alexander Dennis Enviro 200MMC (possibly 8m length with B30F seating arrangement, going by the discussions on Facebook groups). Do ADL still refer to them as E20D?
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
Four additions to the fleet at BC for contract only work are
765 YX18 KZE
766 SK68 LXY
767 SK68 LZP
768 YX68 UJT
What a lucky guess.
Quote from: BH2004 on July 18, 2019, 11:51:13 AM
Has All of the pershore road branded buses been debranded?
I've seen 4908 & 4909 debranded from the Pershore Road.. As far as I'm aware, those that carry the full body advertisements continue to carry the branding; if only visible at the front..
Quote from: CL on July 31, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
I've seen 4908 & 4909 debranded from the Pershore Road.. As far as I'm aware, those that carry the full body advertisements continue to carry the branding; if only visible at the front..
All have been debranded now with just a few carrying adverts retaining orange fronts. I wouldn't call that branding though really, and those appear to be mixed in on other E400 routes now
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 31, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
All have been debranded now with just a few carrying adverts retaining orange fronts. I wouldn't call that branding though really, and those appear to be mixed in on other E400 routes now
4907, one of the advert ones already at Walsall for a crimson makeover
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 25, 2019, 06:50:34 AM
6883 appears to be the same.
Most of the 23/24 branded ones have also not had their next stop announcements working lately. Can only assume it's because they are soon to be updated. I'm currently on 6946 on the 23 and that has the new female next stop voice.
Why exactly do they need to be updated? Also, on the subject of announcements I notice there's still none on the X20 at all?
Quote from: Mike K on July 31, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
Most of the 23/24 branded ones have also not had their next stop announcements working lately. Can only assume it's because they are soon to be updated. I'm currently on 6946 on the 23 and that has the new female next stop voice.
So we're finally getting some more consistency with the voice. That's nice.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 31, 2019, 07:43:36 PM
Why exactly do they need to be updated? Also, on the subject of announcements I notice there's still none on the X20 at all?
6862 on the X2 has the new announcements today.
The only difference I noticed, other than the change from the male to female voice is that instead of simply just saying "Solihull Town Centre" and "Solihull Station", like it used to. It now says "Solihull, Station Road - for Solihull Town Centre" and "Solihull Station Interchange".
Anyone noticed the registration of 767 at BC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/767.html
SK68 LZP?
Next registration SK68 LZR is Dundee 6687 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6687.html
Quote from: mesub on July 31, 2019, 08:32:32 PM
So we're finally getting some more consistency with the voice. That's nice.
Annoyingly, despite the new voice, towards city on the 23 the Green Man stop is still announced as "High Street" (from city it's Green Man). Misleading as the two main High Street stops have been passed by then, and the stop is on Harborne Road.
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2019, 08:18:07 AM
Annoyingly, despite the new voice, towards city on the 23 the Green Man stop is still announced as "High Street" (from city it's Green Man). Misleading as the two main High Street stops have been passed by then, and the stop is on Harborne Road.
Well I suppose you can't have everything perfect all the time.
Do the 23/24 still have the 'Change here for the outer circle' implemented at Serpentine Road in some fashion?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 01, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
Do the 23/24 still have the 'Change here for the outer circle' implemented at Serpentine Road in some fashion?
No they don't. Not since the Mr Platinum voice was introduced.
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2019, 06:06:29 PM
No they don't. Not since the Mr Platinum voice was introduced.
Well actually, it was there before the announcements turned London style (when they repeated 3 times for no reason) but after Mr platinum was introduced:
"Serpentine Road for the number 11 outer circle" when it said it the first time and then
"Serpentine Road for the number 11" for all subsequent announcements.
I still don't understand where they got this posh like voice for that in the first place!
I noted 8354 through the open door at Birmingham Central garage today. It along with 8355/56 makes up the 7 new arrivals (with 765-768) previously reported. Is anyone at liberty to spill the beans as to what the plan is for these?
Quote from: MARKG on August 01, 2019, 10:46:16 PM
I noted 8354 through the open door at Birmingham Central garage today. It along with 8355/56 makes up the 7 new arrivals (with 765-768) previously reported. Is anyone at liberty to spill the beans as to what the plan is for these?
Ex ATG Contracts.
Thanks WB Driver. So I am guessing school runs maybe?
Quote from: MARKG on August 01, 2019, 11:41:12 PM
Thanks WB Driver. So I am guessing school runs maybe?
Adult education Birmingham Council contracts
How are the x1 s coping today with no trains etc
7515 on the 60 first time out. 7516 also now available for service
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2019, 10:50:42 AM
7515 on the 60 first time out. 7516 also now available for service
7517 out for the first time this afternoon on a Harborne peak board. It will do the 15:54 and 17:51 23 departures from City.
4905 has had it's vinyls changed to Walsall Pride for this weekend's pride event in Walsall. It's out on the 60 this afternoon, and has just left Birmingham on a service to Cranes Park.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 20, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
4905 has had it's vinyls changed to Walsall Pride for this weekend's pride event in Walsall. It's out on the 60 this afternoon, and has just left Birmingham on a service to Cranes Park.
Won't this be Walsall's first ever Pride March?
4363 and 4367 have both been put back into use at BC this afternoon. 4363 is on the 45/47, and 4367 is on the 61/63.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2019, 05:42:03 PM
Won't this be Walsall's first ever Pride March?
They've had Pride related events before, but this must be the first time they managed to get the bus for it!
3 platinums on the 97 this evening. 6825, 6856 & 6888.
8354 out on the cap gemini
Quote from: 37351ml on September 02, 2019, 07:40:09 AM
8354 out on the cap gemini
On loan to PB in exchange for 76x which will be on the 10s while a couple of the Stretlites are MoT"d
6892's top deck front window seems to be the latest victim of the vandals.
I spent an hour near moor street on Monday too.. I did see 8354 with the fleet number clearly visible on the front AND side of the vehicle.....7523 was the only new vehicle noted on the 50 service ....
but 7518/19/21/22/23/24/29/33 were all on the solihull (6) services.... presumably taken over from central? 7515/16/17 were all noted on either 60 or 35? services through lower bull st as well
where might I find 765/766/767 any one? thanks
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 02, 2019, 11:18:31 AM
6892's top deck front window seems to be the latest victim of the vandals.
I think I spotted some scratch graffiti on the front near side top deck window of 6813? if I remember correctly..........Does any one know why 6968 (YW) STILL doesn't carry its fleet number below the drivers cab side????... The number on the offside rear (if it exists) is occluded by adverts as well which
doesn't help......
Quote from: windy miller on September 04, 2019, 03:16:33 AM
I spent an hour near moor street on Monday too.. I did see 8354 with the fleet number clearly visible on the front AND side of the vehicle.....7523 was the only new vehicle noted on the 50 service ....
but 7518/19/21/22/23/24/29/33 were all on the solihull (6) services.... presumably taken over from central? 7515/16/17 were all noted on either 60 or 35? services through lower bull st as well
where might I find 765/766/767 any one? thanks
The 6 service is Yardley Wood operated and they are YW vehicles, nothing "taken over from Central", or anything to do with BC.
7515/7516/7517 would have been on BC operated services, one of them was on the X20/X21/X22 yesterday afternoon.
The 35 is YW operated, so wouldn't have been on there.
765/766/767 operate closed contract adult eductation BCC shuttles.
Quote from: 2206 on September 04, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
7515/7516/7517 would have been on BC operated services, one of them was on the X20/X21/X22 yesterday afternoon.
7515 is currently having a lovely time on the 23
Looks like a lot more journeys on the 23 and 24 inter work since the latest timetable came in. My 23 this morning was a 24 when I got off it. Previously it was mainly just late evening and Sunday interworking.
@Eric Shaw, pretty sure a BC Trident on a BC Trident operated route isn't rare...
@Eric Shaw 4575 is now based at Birmingham Central, not unusual to see it on the 14
5518 back on its old stomping ground; the 23
I posted 4575 on the 14 0n 5th September. Tony posted its transfer on the 7th.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 09, 2019, 08:01:37 PM
I posted 4575 on the 14 0n 5th September. Tony posted its transfer on the 7th.
4575 had already been transferred from YW to BC prior to Tony posting the transfer update on the 7th September... Did note 4572 and 4575 was working the 97 and 45/47 on the 3rd September respectively. Just surprised their transfers wasn't mentioned earlier.
Can assure you that both 4572/4575 transferred to BC before the 7th September.
7516 running on the X70 today
Saw one of central vehicles in lea village pulled up in the centre of the road with the engine cover hanging off, I am guessing it is related to the stabbing in lea village earlier. Any ideas on fleet number?
One of the BC tridents broke down on the 822 literally only after leaving the stop.
6882 appears not to be tracking this morning. Unless it's the app that's messing up.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 11, 2019, 06:47:09 AM
6882 appears not to be tracking this morning. Unless it's the app that's messing up.
It's tracking perfectly at this end, so the problem appears to be somewhere other than the bus.
Do the X1 and X2 interwork? Because I've seen X1 branded buses in the X2 and vice versa.
Is the 94C back at bc seen a 23/24 branded on it yesterday
Quote from: SK68MEV on September 17, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
Is the 94C back at bc seen a 23/24 branded on it yesterday
Yes. It's on an X1 running board.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 17, 2019, 03:45:59 PM
Do the X1 and X2 interwork? Because I've seen X1 branded buses in the X2 and vice versa.
I believe at certain times of the day some journeys do interwork, but not all of them, usually in the peaks. From memory most interworking occurs on a Sunday, but I haven't used those services for a year myself, so things may have changed.
This is what I meant by the cameras by the ticket machine.
The 17.08 x2 from city comes in as an x1. Then it does 18.13 solihull to city and goes back onto an x1 again.
Does anybody know why the cones are still blocking the bus lane on the Bristol Road nearby the Bear & Staff pub? There's literally nothing happening there. The roadworks are the other side of the traffic lights by the old Sainsburys.
Kinda slows things down for the 61/63 and ☓20/☓21.
Quote from: WMT3000 on September 21, 2019, 07:30:38 PM
2137 was on bc36 today.
That must have replaced either 4618 or 4367 that were on there about 1400 then
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 21, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
That must have replaced either 4618 or 4367 that were on there about 1400 then
4367 was still out later on so must have been 4618 that was swapped. 2137 did the 1635 from A Grn towards Heartlands.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 18, 2019, 07:38:26 AM
Does anybody know why the cones are still blocking the bus lane on the Bristol Road nearby the Bear & Staff pub? There's literally nothing happening there. The roadworks are the other side of the traffic lights by the old Sainsburys.
Kinda slows things down for the 61/63 and ☓20/☓21.
They tend to cone it off way before any lanes are closed now. Must be health and safety.
The old bus lane next to the old Sainsburys will never return, it will be another cycle way. A handful of cyclists will benefit, while buses full of people every few minutes have to now wait in the queue.
Quote from: B.C Driver on September 21, 2019, 09:53:11 PM
They tend to cone it off way before any lanes are closed now. Must be health and safety.
The old bus lane next to the old Sainsburys will never return, it will be another cycle way. A handful of cyclists will benefit, while buses full of people every few minutes have to now wait in the queue.
Surely not? I fail to see the point in that. The bus lane would be a lot more beneficial than a cycle way that nobody will use.
Looks like the temporary traffic lights by Church Road are playing up causing mass queues on Edgbaston Park Road, Arthur Road and Wheeleys Road.
The reliability for the 23 coming from town is quite shocking on the mornings, I've been waiting here for half an hour and only one bus has arrived fully packed.
Quote from: mesub on September 25, 2019, 08:19:37 AM
The reliability for the 23 coming from town is quite shocking on the mornings, I've been waiting here for half an hour and only one bus has arrived fully packed.
It's been awful in both directions just lately. The 23/24 were running generally ok but things seem to have taken a turn for the worse with the latest Broad St diversions. I've had a few waits of around 20 minutes both to and from work on the 23 lately. This morning I caught one immediately but it was one of 3 running together. On one evening last week there were 4 24s within 5 minutes of each other from city.
Quote from: Mike K on September 25, 2019, 08:12:14 PM
It's been awful in both directions just lately. The 23/24 were running generally ok but things seem to have taken a turn for the worse with the latest Broad St diversions. I've had a few waits of around 20 minutes both to and from work on the 23 lately. This morning I caught one immediately but it was one of 3 running together. On one evening last week there were 4 24s within 5 minutes of each other from city.
Appalling again this morning:
Quote from: Mike K on September 25, 2019, 08:12:14 PM
It's been awful in both directions just lately. The 23/24 were running generally ok but things seem to have taken a turn for the worse with the latest Broad St diversions. I've had a few waits of around 20 minutes both to and from work on the 23 lately. This morning I caught one immediately but it was one of 3 running together. On one evening last week there were 4 24s within 5 minutes of each other from city.
The X20s have been just as bad this week to be honest. Every day there appears to be adjusted workings.
6892 is my journey home on a short working to Weoley Castle today.
There has been some bad traffic about though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
The X20s have been just as bad this week to be honest. Every day there appears to be adjusted workings.
6892 is my journey home on a short working to Weoley Castle today.
There has been some bad traffic about though.
And 45/47 have gotten worse lately, though not helped bus fair few sets of roadworks on the route.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2019, 04:58:45 PM
The X20s have been just as bad this week to be honest. Every day there appears to be adjusted workings.
6892 is my journey home on a short working to Weoley Castle today.
There has been some bad traffic about though.
The temporary traffic lights by The Vale won't be helping matters
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
The temporary traffic lights by The Vale won't be helping matters
No, you're right. I mentioned that here the other day. Those lights are a nightmare anyway. That right turn onto Church Road from Edgbaston Park Road causes most of the problems on a normal day. Because all it takes is for one vehicle to want that right turn and everyone else behind has to wait because of the oncoming traffic the other way and by the time they turn it's gone red again. It's not flowing very well because there's only one lane each time way. The right turn needs to either be banned or regulated. You can't turn from Arthur Road onto Church Road so I don't see why they can't ban the other turn too. Would make such a difference.
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2019, 08:02:59 AM
Appalling again this morning:
Google is proving a lot more reliable than the app at the moment.
Just seen a 23/24 branded MMC pass by me at Heybarnes Circus but it wasn't in service. Does anyone know why it was there because the 23/24 doesn't go on that side of town.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 29, 2019, 05:54:01 PM
Just seen a 23/24 branded MMC pass by me at Heybarnes Circus but it wasn't in service. Does anyone know why it was there because the 23/24 doesn't go on that side of town.
could of been on 60 & running back to depot not in service
Quote from: Solo1 on September 29, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
could of been on 60 & running back to depot not in service
Or could have been going to/could have come off the X1 or X2.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 29, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
could of been on 60 & running back to depot not in service
Wasn't on the 60, it was not in service. It wasn't going to depot because it was going towards Yardley.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 29, 2019, 10:26:18 PM
Wasn't on the 60, it was not in service. It wasn't going to depot because it was going towards Yardley.
could of been running not in service to the outet terminus
Boarded 4271 on the 61 from Birmingham today. Driver couldn't get it to move, tried turning it on and off. He said he'd never drove one of these before and had to get someone else to disable the parking brake!!
Also caught 4367 on the x20 this morning. What's with all the e400s standards on the uni services?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 01, 2019, 07:55:03 PM
Boarded 4271 on the 61 from Birmingham today. Driver couldn't get it to move, tried turning it on and off. He said he'd never drove one of these before and had to get someone else to disable the parking brake!!
Also caught 4367 on the x20 this morning. What's with all the e400s standards on the uni services?
Disable the parking brake? I don't think so. That would be extremely dangerous if it wasn't impossible
Broms brake accidentally enabled probably.
Quote from: MW on October 01, 2019, 08:07:40 PM
Broms brake accidentally enabled probably.
Unusual for the Broms brake to be deployed when parked up but in service. Also, I'd think that the drivers would be type trained on any vehicle type in their garage even if the bus is a loan. Why didn't he just radio control for guidance?
Quote from: j789 on October 01, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
Unusual for the Broms brake to be deployed when parked up but in service. Also, I'd think that the drivers would be type trained on any vehicle type in their garage even if the bus is a loan. Why didn't he just radio control for guidance?
I can't remember if you push down to activate it or you pull up, as I've not driven a Volvo in a while, but if it's push down, it could possibly be activated by accidentally leaning on it as your body is turned towards passengers I guess, or when you reach down to the side of the drivers seat to grab say a Metro paper etc. That or low air pressure momentarily whilst say lowering the floor, opening doors etc.
Quote from: MW on October 02, 2019, 12:50:19 AM
I can't remember if you push down to activate it or you pull up, as I've not driven a Volvo in a while, but if it's push down, it could possibly be activated by accidentally leaning on it as your body is turned towards passengers I guess, or when you reach down to the side of the drivers seat to grab say a Metro paper etc. That or low air pressure momentarily whilst say lowering the floor, opening doors etc.
Normally, the Broms brakes are pull out to deploy and activate to prevent accidentally leaning on it.
The Broms brake relates to hand brake circuit - if you lost air on other circuits and if the system is working correctly the Broms brake would not deploy, it only came on if pressure was lost in the park brake tank, this normally happens when the vehicle has been left overnight/weekend and air leaked from that circuit. I was told by a former engineer that Volvo put this in as a safety device, so, if the handbrake was not deployed and in the off postion with air pressure building up and the driver left the cab, the vehicle couldn't run away when pressure was up as you would need to push in the button. Those were days !!!
Not seen it mentioned; 4905 is back. Saw it in Digbeth yesterday - though only the back end of it!
Is the Gas Bus demo still about?
Quote from: CL on October 02, 2019, 11:04:00 AM
Not seen it mentioned; 4905 is back. Saw it in Digbeth yesterday - though only the back end of it!
It was on the 61/63 on Friday evening.
And on 60 yesterday
Quote from: Wumpty on October 02, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Normally, the Broms brakes are pull out to deploy and activate to prevent accidentally leaning on it.
The Broms brake relates to hand brake circuit - if you lost air on other circuits and if the system is working correctly the Broms brake would not deploy, it only came on if pressure was lost in the park brake tank, this normally happens when the vehicle has been left overnight/weekend and air leaked from that circuit. I was told by a former engineer that Volvo put this in as a safety device, so, if the handbrake was not deployed and in the off postion with air pressure building up and the driver left the cab, the vehicle couldn't run away when pressure was up as you would need to push in the button. Those were days !!!
Was the Wheelchair ramp used at anytime before this can sometimes stop the bus due to sensors. Or could just be the Door lock stuck on.
The Ex Dawson rentals vehicles... from.The pics on Tonys catalogue..I notice that 767 appears to be the only one with its identity on the front /side?
Are the others likely to be numbered in a similar way? Or maybe they already have.?? thanks
Quote from: windy miller on October 06, 2019, 12:57:02 PM
The Ex Dawson rentals vehicles... from.The pics on Tonys catalogue..I notice that 767 appears to be the only one with its identity on the front /side?
Are the others likely to be numbered in a similar way? Or maybe they already have.?? thanks
They are all fully numbered, just most of the photos were taken on the day of arrival before this was done
Many thanks Tony much appreciated i have yet to see any of these vehicles in service Can I assume they all work on a daily basis and within Birmingham post codes? Thanks
Is there likely to be one of the White MMCs on the 10S tomorrow?
4797 was spotted on Lichfield road heading towards bc today
Quote from: Nxwm on October 10, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
4797 was spotted on Lichfield road heading towards bc today
What time did you see that? I saw it around 4pm at Bordesley Circus.
Quote from: Busboy105 on October 10, 2019, 10:39:18 PM
What time did you see that? I saw it around 4pm at Bordesley Circus.
around 15:50/15:55
767 is on 10s just left qe for quinton, does not appear to have a ticket machine
Quote from: 37351ml on October 12, 2019, 01:38:37 PM
767 is on 10s just left qe for quinton, does not appear to have a ticket machine
It's ok it's NX. Why would the lack of ability to sell a ticket (on a tendered service), display a route number or destination or display any operator identity matter? Those rules are only there for the cowboys.
Quote from: andy41 on October 13, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
It's ok it's NX. Why would the lack of ability to sell a ticket (on a tendered service), display a route number or destination or display any operator identity matter? Those rules are only there for the cowboys.
Yes it does matter and NX get penalties just the same, but a lot less than not running it at all
764 on the 10S, currently with a paper blind in the front! :P
Quote from: CL on October 14, 2019, 11:04:18 AM
831 - AG58
7516 - BC36
I did see 7516 a couple of times today but it seemed to miss out a full trip just after 1pm. It was pretty much back on time at one point but then delayed later and only 11 mins in front of 4574 (the other 36) the last time I saw it near AG between 4 and 5.
6881 currently is ridiculously heavily overcrowded on the X20 to Birmingham City Centre.
Maybe would be good if NX put on some extra capacity into Birmingham City Centre at about 5 PM.
Quote from: 2206 on October 15, 2019, 05:13:26 PM
6881 currently is ridiculously heavily overcrowded on the X20 to Birmingham.
Maybe would be good if NX put on some extra capacity into Birmingham at about 5 PM.
Nothing to do with the number of buses on the route, more to do with Birmingham city centre traffic lights not working properly causing gaps in service
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Nothing to do with the number of buses on the route, more to do with Birmingham city centre traffic lights not working properly causing gaps in service
My x20 outbound from city arrived at university only 3 minutes late
Does anyone know why the 45/47 branded E200s are being rebranded? Are they going to be crimsoned or are the 45/47 expecting new buses?
Quote from: Busboy105 on October 16, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
Does anyone know why the 45/47 branded E200s are being rebranded? Are they going to be crimsoned or are the 45/47 expecting new buses?
Doesn't make sense - E200? & re-branded ?
E400s and debranded. I don't know why I wrote e200 and rebranded. It was actually the opposite of what I was thinking.
Some have already been 'crimsoned'.
Noticed an X22 unloading at the old stop on Moor Street Queensway earlier today (Now the 17 stop). Are some of the drivers not aware the stop has been moved.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
Noticed an X22 unloading at the old stop on Moor Street Queensway earlier today (Now the 17 stop). Are some of the drivers not aware the stop has been moved.
They should be, that change is a month old.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
Noticed an X22 unloading at the old stop on Moor Street Queensway earlier today (Now the 17 stop). Are some of the drivers not aware the stop has been moved.
It also needs adjusting on the announcements as the Moor St inbound one now is out of sync.
Credit to the driver of 6869 this morning for the way he dealt with one of the fare dodging little sh*ts from Harborne Academy, who marched past him without paying and then responded with a string of obscenities when challenged. Driver sounded the panic alarm for a good 2-3 minutes and refused to move until the offender, being stared at by loads of increasingly irate passengers, went back downstairs and paid.
Reliability seems to have taken a hit on the Uni and Harborne routes
There was a BC 682X Platinum on Cardigan Street earlier today at about 15:00.
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2019, 05:48:16 PM
There was a BC 682X Platinum on Cardigan Street earlier today at about 15:00. Looked like it was operating a shuttle route to Aston Villa.
It was 6821 and 6823 PB operating shuttle for the uni to wolves horse race tracks
Quote from: Nxwm on October 20, 2019, 01:19:17 AM
It was 6821 and 6823 PB operating shuttle for the uni to wolves horse race tracks
Thanks for the info, fleet number was probably 6823 then. I wasn't able to make out what it said on the display or its fleet number, when I went past on the 94.
Anyone know what times the streetlites can be found working into the city, is it the evening peak 10?
On the 23 to Bartley green, I've noticed that there are 2 destination codes 1000 and 1003, any difference between the two?
What are the plans for the streetlites from Monday if they are not transferring to WB and the 36 no longer being operated by nxwm.
Quote from: 37351ml on October 23, 2019, 07:57:14 AM
What are the plans for the streetlites from Monday if they are not transferring to WB and the 36 no longer being operated by nxwm.
They could go back to Dundee only 433 is in crimson. The rest are still in Dundee colours.
Quote from: Busboy105 on October 23, 2019, 09:42:15 AM
They could go back to Dundee only 433 is in crimson. The rest are still in Dundee colours.
Dundee doesn't need them, that was why they came down! Theydo have a home from Monday, don't worry.
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
Dundee doesn't need them, that was why they came down! Theydo have a home from Monday, don't worry.
Do you have an ETA when the rest of the Streetlites are going to be crimsoned.
Quote from: Busboy105 on October 23, 2019, 11:02:43 AM
Do you have an ETA when the rest of the Streetlites are going to be crimsoned.
Not yet, but hopefully this year
How long is does the biogas bus have left here? It was on the 23 but unfortunately I didn't have a chance to ride it.
Very black on the Bristol road today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 29, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
Very black on the Bristol road today
What's that supposed to mean?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 29, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
Very black on the Bristol road today
Tarmac is normally black on any road.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 29, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
Very black on the Bristol road today
Probably means there's a lot of platinums on there today. There was also suite a few on the 45/7 yet the uni and Harbone services put up with enviros!
Quote from: mesub on October 29, 2019, 05:56:39 PM
Probably means there's a lot of platinums on there today. There was also suite a few on the 45/7 yet the uni and Harbone services put up with enviros!
Indeed 2 standard e400s on uni corridor at least
2134 on the same journey from City on the ☓21 today so probably not that noteworthy after all.
Had 6950 this morning on the x22, and is now on the 10H
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 01, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
Had 6950 this morning on the x22, and is now on the 10H
The 10H is on an X20 board. It goes back onto the Uni routes.
I've seen this on Facebook is it true
45/47 are getting the platinums that are on the YW6 and the 97 are going to have Enviro 400s
Quote from: BH2004 on November 04, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
I've seen this on Facebook is it true
45/47 are getting the platinums that are on the YW6 and the 97 are going to have Enviro 400s
I heard the 45/47 were getting them months ago... and why can't the 97 get the Platinums exactly? And what point was there in giving the 6 Platinums for several months... they should of trapped more of the 45** Tridents and chucked them on the 6 last year...
Quote from: Jack on November 04, 2019, 05:30:38 PM
I heard the 45/47 were getting them months ago... and why can't the 97 get the Platinums exactly? And what point was there in giving the 6 Platinums for several months... they should of trapped more of the 45** Tridents and chucked them on the 6 last year...
All of Yardley Wood Trident's are trapped so not sure what you are on about?
Can I ask what you do for a living that you are so able to criticise management decision of another company?
Quote from: BH2004 on November 04, 2019, 04:47:51 PM
I've seen this on Facebook is it true
45/47 are getting the platinums that are on the YW6 and the 97 are going to have Enviro 400s
If that was to happen, where would all the 97 branded Tridents going to go?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 04, 2019, 05:37:23 PM
If that was to happen, where would all the 97 branded Tridents going to go?
Where ever the commercial team decide where they want the newer buses I will do a plan that drops the oldest buses out the bottom
Quote from: Jack on November 04, 2019, 05:30:38 PM
And what point was there in giving the 6 Platinums for several months... they should of trapped more of the 45** Tridents and chucked them on the 6 last year...
The 6 needed double deckers in order to boost capacity, the Platinums have been used as an 'interim' measure until the electric double decks arrive next year.
Does anyone know why there was two 97S' today? I saw a Scania and a E400 at Digbeth around 16:10 today.
Platinum on the 10H. Seems an overkill, when they've got B7RLE on the Uni routes.
Quite surprising that the X21 driver was telling a passenger that it doesn't go to Selly Oak, Sainsbury's in the City Centre about half an hour ago. 2134.
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Platinum on the 10H. Seems an overkill, when they've got B7RLE on the Uni routes.
Quite surprising that the X21 driver was telling a passenger that it doesn't go to Selly Oak, Sainsbury's in the City Centre about half an hour ago. 2134.
As had been mentioned several times the 10H is on an X20 running board so is normally a Platinum
4896 has had a new overall advert applied today.
If anyone wants to see or photograph it, it should do the 17:11 and 18:50 journeys from city on the 60 route
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2019, 01:12:37 PM
Platinum on the 10H. Seems an overkill, when they've got B7RLE on the Uni routes.
Quite surprising that the X21 driver was telling a passenger that it doesn't go to Selly Oak, Sainsbury's in the City Centre about half an hour ago. 2134.
The B7RLE comes off the staff bus and straight on the the Uni!
Quote from: 2206 on August 31, 2019, 05:23:32 PM
The card reader on 2137 still isn't working today, it had just been covered to stop people using it.
Just caught 2137 on the X22 and months later it still has a card scanner/ticket machine that aren't working.
The driver also missed the turn into Pritchatts Road, so had to reverse. Didn't think they were supposed to reverse with a full load of passengers?
Quote from: Dom on April 01, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
We can not just
reverse a bus, a banksman is required, that is the law and not an NX policy.
4367 on 63- lovely warm bus with a fair bit of power too
This is the second time I've seen a 23E terminating at California. The drivers don't seem to know where the turn; one parked up at the Wentworth way stop blocking the road while the other one terminated at the Barnes Hill and then performed a very tight turn further up the road!
Quote from: mesub on November 23, 2019, 03:34:47 PM
This is the second time I've seen a 23E terminating at California. The drivers don't seem to know where the turn; one parked up at the Wentworth way stop blocking the road while the other one terminated at the Barnes Hill and then performed a very tight turn further up the road!
The California shorts always used to be by Barnes Hill, they'd go around the Island and park up at the California Way stop. At least that's what the 22E/23E/29E did.
Have NX changed the destination board for short journeys?
I've seen two buses on the 60 and they both read like this:
Yardley 60
via Coventry Road
If this is how they go about for short journeys then this is ridiculous for me considering that you're gonna get passengers who will ask why the 60 terminates at Yardley and not at Cranes Park.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 24, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
Have NX changed the destination board for short journeys?
I've seen two buses on the 60 and they both read like this:
Yardley 60
via Coventry Road
If this is how they go about for short journeys then this is ridiculous for me considering that you're gonna get passengers who will ask why the 60 terminates at Yardley and not at Cranes Park.
On Sundays, alternate daytime journeys are timetabled to terminate at South Yardley (Swan Island).
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2019, 06:11:45 PM
On Sundays, alternate daytime journeys are timetabled to terminate at South Yardley (Swan Island).
I know that but they usually say 60E. Today it didn't.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 24, 2019, 07:01:37 PM
I know that but they usually say 60E. Today it didn't.
There has been perhaps some company change then, as I've noticed a couple of occasions where I've observed NX 50 showing Maypole as the destination (without the -E or 'Part Route'), so without checking the timetable I've presumed these are scheduled workings to Maypole only. Maybe the -E 'Part Route' display will be for adjusted workings only?
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
There has been perhaps some company change then, as I've noticed a couple of occasions where I've observed NX 50 showing Maypole as the destination (without the -E or 'Part Route'), so without checking the timetable I've presumed these are scheduled workings to Maypole only. Maybe the -E 'Part Route' display will be for adjusted workings only?
Probably. This is a first for me.
On pensnett blinds when doing short journeys
There is two lots programmed into the blinds
Eg the 28 short to merry hill can be put up
28 MERRY HILL via Withymoor
Or
28E MERRY HILL part route
Same as the 8 to Dudley shorts
8 DUDKEY via merry hill
Or
8E DUDLEY Part route
I see the ☓21 stops in town have finally been changed to Woodcock Hill and not Shenley Fields. 61 still says Rubery though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2019, 05:01:11 PM
I see the ☓21 stops in town have finally been changed to Woodcock Hill and not Shenley Fields. 61 still says Rubery though.
Hasn't the X21 always shown Woodcock Hill as it's destination?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 28, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Hasn't the X21 always shown Woodcock Hill as it's destination?
I think they meant the electronic displays at the bus stops/totems.
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2019, 08:18:55 PM
I think they meant the electronic displays at the bus stops/totems.
Yes, I did.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
Yes, I did.
It's the same thing with the AG73 on Google Maps and on the NX app. It says that it terminates at Alum Rock when Heartlands Hospital is in Bordesley Green.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 28, 2019, 11:01:14 PM
It's the same thing with the AG73 on Google Maps and on the NX app. It says that it terminates at Alum Rock when Heartlands Hospital is in Bordesley Green.
The digital displays at bus stops say 'Alum Rock'.
A similar problem exists on the YW18 which shows the terminus as being Warstock on the bus stop displays!
That's nothing many short workings on the X8 on a Sunday display BLACKHEATH when they actually terminate at Quinton Stag!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 04:27:30 PM
That's nothing many short workings on the X8 on a Sunday display BLACKHEATH when they actually terminate at Quinton Stag!
Never seen that once, and I think you'll find its Quinton Church not the stag.
Just a tip off that might be worth mentioning, had 4473 on Saturday and gearbox/axles sounded on the way out. Gear changes were still fairly normal but as it got up to speed you could hear a grinding sound
4447 on the 822 came into Birmingham City Centre the wrong way, along St Vincent Street, Cambridge Street earlier today, terminating by the Police HQ building on Snow Hill Queensway. The 822 isn't supposed to go into the City Centre that way, its supposed to go along Bath Row up to Corporation Street with the 23/24 and change onto the 24.
He also went all the way around Five Ways island twice, so looked like he was lost.
The driver was also declining to pick up passengers and allow them onboard, he was turning passengers away at Five Ways and Edgbaton, when he had a complelty empty bus. Despite the fact it says on the front of the bus that its available to the general public.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 02, 2019, 04:50:25 PM
Just a tip off that might be worth mentioning, had 4473 on Saturday and gearbox/axles sounded on the way out. Gear changes were still fairly normal but as it got up to speed you could hear a grinding sound
I have noticed this on this particular vehicle, there are a couple of other tridents that ha e a similar affliction. However when the B10L's were in service 1480 had a VERY whiny differential. I reckon the problem is with the main pinion bearing on the front of the diff casing, bit of a bitch of a job but nothing that would kill the vehicle (cost vs repair)
Quote from: dw1308 on December 06, 2019, 01:09:08 AM
I have noticed this on this particular vehicle, there are a couple of other tridents that ha e a similar affliction. However when the B10L's were in service 1480 had a VERY whiny differential. I reckon the problem is with the main pinion bearing on the front of the diff casing, bit of a bitch of a job but nothing that would kill the vehicle (cost vs repair)
I remember 1480's whine, tbf I quite liked it, made it sound quite nice, was a shame to see this go, being the last TWM liveried one.
Notices up on BC buses to advise of timetable changes on the X20/21/22 from 5th January to 'address issues of unreliability'.
Good luck with that.
Quote from: Mike K on December 10, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
Notices up on BC buses to advise of timetable changes on the X20/21/22 from 5th January to 'address issues of unreliability'.
Good luck with that.
Hallelujah!!! Praise the lord
Quote from: Mike K on December 10, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
Notices up on BC buses to advise of timetable changes on the X20/21/22 from 5th January to 'address issues of unreliability'.
Good luck with that.
They can change timetables all they like, the fact is the route is like a car park of an evening as someone has already alluded too. It won't make any difference in my opinion.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 10, 2019, 08:16:02 PM
the fact is the route is like a car park of an evening as someone has already alluded too.
Yes I agree. Some bus priority measures on this route would be good I think.
Edgbaston Park Road always seems to be heavily congested in the evening. And all the cars turning from Edgbaston Park Road into Somerset Road seems to slow it down as well, because once you get past there its clear then.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 10, 2019, 08:16:02 PM
They can change timetables all they like, the fact is the route is like a car park of an evening as someone has already alluded too. It won't make any difference in my opinion.
I very rarely see a x22 cut short however, whereas the x21 I've seen a lot of E working on it.
Quote from: 2206 on December 10, 2019, 08:20:45 PM
Yes I agree. Some bus priority measures on this route would be good I think.
Edgbaston Park Road always seems to be heavily congested in the evening. And all the cars turning from Edgbaston Park Road into Somerset Road seems to slow it down as well, because once you get past there its clear then.
Momentarily, until you get to the Uni Station and the 3 Islands leading up to the Selly Oak Triangle.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 10, 2019, 08:21:51 PM
I very rarely see a x22 cut short however, whereas the x21 I've seen a lot of E working on it.
I've seen plenty on all of them. They're all just as bad as each other.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541535/
45 or 47 being extended to Cofton Hackett?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 14, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541535/
45 or 47 being extended to Cofton Hackett?
That makes no sense to me. The X20 already serves Cofton Hackett to replace the 47 when it was rerouted to Longbridge. Why re-extend it?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 14, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541535/
45 or 47 being extended to Cofton Hackett?
I suspect this is just another case of VOSA not using the most up to date termini again. It's probably just standard timetable changes to the current routes.
On the 5514 working on the 60. Don't think that the driver is familiar with the bus; there were alarms sounding every couple of minutes. Don't get to ride these buses often but when I do it's a good experience.
Quote from: V89MOA on December 16, 2019, 12:28:13 AM
I suspect this is just another case of VOSA not using the most up to date termini again. It's probably just standard timetable changes to the current routes.
Says the same here, along with something about a route change due to roadworks.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/123
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 16, 2019, 01:48:43 PM
On the 5514 working on the 60. Don't think that the driver is familiar with the bus; there were alarms sounding every couple of minutes. Don't get to ride these buses often but when I do it's a good experience.
Probably just the handbrake being released before the doors have fully closed?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 18, 2019, 10:39:37 AM
Probably just the handbrake being released before the doors have fully closed?
Could also be the cab door not closed properly, that often sets an alarm off
Love how the new timetable for the ☓21 from January 5th onwards has already been put up in the bus shelters. Because that won't confuse a few people at all...
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 22, 2019, 07:00:03 AM
Love how the new timetable for the ☓21 from January 5th onwards has already been put up in the bus shelters. Because that won't confuse a few people at all...
Surely the people who do this sort of thing at TfWM need an holiday too.
Better early ready, than put it in late!
Quote from: Westy on December 22, 2019, 12:59:27 PM
Surely the people who do this sort of thing at TfWM need an holiday too.
Better early ready, than put it in late!
As Terry Wogan used to say on Blankety Blank the clue is in the title "From 5th January 2020" fair play to TfWM as I have previously posted they are shed loads better than Centro ever were.
Quote from: Westy on December 22, 2019, 12:59:27 PM
Surely the people who do this sort of thing at TfWM need an holiday too.
Better early ready, than put it in late!
Well yes, they do. I'd have thought they'd be back in time to update it in Jan though.
As people have said before, not everybody uses the internet so some will be unaware changes are even happening so they won't be looking to see what date it's from. And to hell with people who refer to the timetables for the next couple of weeks then eh.
In my opinion too early is just as bad as too late.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 22, 2019, 01:24:14 PM
As Terry Wogan used to say on Blankety Blank the clue is in the title "From 5th January 2020" fair play to TfWM as I have previously posted they are shed loads better than Centro ever were.
Certainly publicity wise.
You try looking for non West Midlands Travel timetables back in the late 80 & 90's!
4905 has had advert frames fitted
Quote from: CL on January 02, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
4905 has had advert frames fitted
It's always had ad frames. It's just had an advert put in for the first time in Pride livery
So it has! :P Clearly haven't taken much notice to it 😂 The nearside remains free from adverts, mind..
Quote from: John on January 02, 2020, 10:34:47 AM
It's always had ad frames. It's just had an advert put in for the first time in Pride livery
What was the advert called?
Quote from: busboy31 on January 04, 2020, 06:01:05 PM
What was the advert called?
What do you mean by what it's called? I assume you just mean which advert it has?
Quote from: Nathan on January 04, 2020, 06:11:21 PM
What do you mean by what it's called? I assume you just mean which advert it has?
Yes.
Quote from: sonic84 on January 05, 2020, 11:33:40 AM
Agreed. It looks unlikely the full length of broad street will open so can't see what changes can be made to the 9, 10, 12, 12A, 13, 13A, 126, X8 and X10.
I wonder whether the 23, 24 will run the loop the opposite way as they used to now that Suffolk Street Queenways will be open to traffic again?
It's starting to get off-topic so I'll reply here.
I've wondered before why the 23/24 didn't just use Bath Row in both directions and follow the 80/80A to Five Ways, instead of going round the wrekin so to speak. I don't know if this was ever considered. Perhaps the 23/24 provides some good links going where it does now, I don't know. But going back up Bath Row would certainly be quicker.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 05, 2020, 11:45:45 AM
It's starting to get off-topic so I'll reply here.
I've wondered before why the 23/24 didn't just use Bath Row in both directions and follow the 80/80A to Five Ways, instead of going round the wrekin so to speak. I don't know if this was ever considered. Perhaps the 23/24 provides some good links going where it does now, I don't know. But going back up Bath Row would certainly be quicker.
How would it serve Colmore Row, It's traditional loading place and bath Row on the way out?
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2020, 12:01:46 PM
How would it serve Colmore Row, It's traditional loading place and bath Row on the way out?
Hadn't considered Colemore Row admittedly, but the Harborne services went a long while not serving Colemore Row before and people coped well enough.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 05, 2020, 11:25:07 PM
Hadn't considered Colemore Row admittedly, but the Harborne services went a long while not serving Colemore Row before and people coped well enough.
When?
The livery Street stop was 20m away!
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2020, 06:14:31 AM
When?
The livery Street stop was 20m away!
Apologies, I was thinking of Steelhouse Lane as it was the terminus, completely forgot about Livery St.
Noticed an X20 Platinum to Cofton Hackett on Lee Bank Middleway full of passengers, does anyone know what it was doing.
As 1800 which I was on, took the normal line of route out of the City Centre.
Dunno what's happened to 5516 but there Appears to be some significant rear damage.
I've noticed that the 23 / 4 has a few more regular master drivers. Are they done in batches?
Does the 70 board now go onto the 97 as it was a 97 trident all last week
6853 - Heavilly overcrowded and struggling to cope at University North Gate heading towards the City Centre this evening. And leaving lots of people behind.
Probably need some extra peak time journeys on the X20 between City Centre and Uni Station during term time as it regularly seems to be like this.
Quote from: 2206 on January 14, 2020, 04:15:03 PM
6853 - Heavilly overcrowded and struggling to cope at University North Gate this evening. And leaving lots of people behind.
Probably need some extra peak time journeys on the X20 between City Centre and Uni Station during term time as it regularly seems to be like this.
Just seen that on Bath Row on the ☓21. Looked pretty rammed from what I saw.
Was amazed to find my X22 from university to Bartley green at 6PM was bang on time. At 2pm this afternoon 2 X22's were in convoy. Also how does the branding of every 5 mins allowed on the corridor? All 3 services have 20 minute frequency. So they are roughly every 7 min combined frequency if I'm not wrong? Having said that they all seem to run together anyway
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 17, 2020, 09:36:25 PM
Was amazed to find my X22 from university to Bartley green at 6PM was bang on time. At 2pm this afternoon 2 X22's were in convoy. Also how does the branding of every 5 mins allowed on the corridor? All 3 services have 20 minute frequency. So they are roughly every 7 min combined frequency if I'm not wrong? Having said that they all seem to run together anyway
The branding says 'Up to Every 5 minutes'. Perfectly fine for a 7 minute frequency. The peak extras must make the route a 5 minute frequency from the Q.E to City
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 13, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
Does the 70 board now go onto the 97 as it was a 97 trident all last week
No. Goes onto the 14 still.
4626 today.
Quote from: 2206 on January 20, 2020, 05:50:14 PM
No. Goes onto the 14 still.
4626 today.
oh as I get on the bus I was wondering thanks for the help
Loads of platinum's doing work for Coventry fc noticed travelling through Sheldon. Is this regular work I'm assuming for BC. Is that another of the reasons the x70 rarely gets platinums at the weekend then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 25, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
Loads of platinum's doing work for Coventry fc noticed travelling through Sheldon. Is this regular work I'm assuming for BC. Is that another of the reasons the x70 rarely gets platinums at the weekend then?
There's at least one on x70 this afternoon. A 23/24 branded one.
Quote from: Gareth on January 25, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
There's at least one on x70 this afternoon. A 23/24 branded one.
6850 is one I saw on the X70 this afternoon.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 25, 2020, 03:11:39 PM
Loads of platinum's doing work for Coventry fc noticed travelling through Sheldon. Is this regular work I'm assuming for BC. Is that another of the reasons the x70 rarely gets platinums at the weekend then?
Mostly not platinum on weekdays as well.
I don't get it either it is a platinum or it isn't. Wondering if it actually performs as well they way always follows behind the x12 seems kind of pointless and must be getting hammered since the coleshill / water Orton improved. Only ever seen full loads when carrying coleshill workers .
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 25, 2020, 06:46:53 PM
I don’t get it either it is a platinum or it isn’t.
The nxbus platinum website does acknowledge it as platinum route.
Quote from: mesub on January 25, 2020, 09:48:20 PM
The nxbus platinum website does acknowledge it as platinum route.
6945-6950 were 'apparently' bought specially for it, remember it being posted on the forum.
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2020, 09:51:14 PM
6945-6950 were 'apparently' bought specially for it, remember it being posted on the forum.
No they weren't
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2020, 09:53:59 PM
No they weren't
If you say so... I know what I read...
6943 to 6950 plus 6701 & 6702 were all at St Andrews yesterday with Coventry supporters.
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2020, 09:51:14 PM
6945-6950 were 'apparently' bought specially for it, remember it being posted on the forum.
Personally never using the route I would love to see Plattys introduced on the X12 if they were displaced from a route I know well perhaps someone could start a campaign locally for them we could then have the excellent Streetdecks and for me the world would be at peace!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 26, 2020, 11:27:11 AM
Personally never using the route I would love to see Plattys introduced on the X12 if they were displaced from a route I know well perhaps someone could start a campaign locally for them we could then have the excellent Streetdecks and for me the world would be at peace!
The X12 is already a Platinum route.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 11:55:01 AM
The X12 is already a Platinum route.
As my namesake and the person I most admire in life and model myself on would so eloquently say
"Drat, Drat and Double Drat"
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2020, 09:51:14 PM
6945-6950 were 'apparently' bought specially for it, remember it being posted on the forum.
I believe they are for topping up the allocation for existing platinum routes for BC such as the University routes.
Speaking of 6945-50, will they ever gain generic branding? Or are they going to stay like they are forever? Is there any reason why they didn't get it?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 03:41:51 PM
Speaking of 6945-50, will they ever gain generic branding? Or are they going to stay like they are forever? Is there any reason why they didn't get it?
would of said stay as they are so can be used on any platinum route or any service if needed
Quote from: Solo1 on January 26, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
would of said stay as they are so can be used on any platinum route or any service if needed
Which is why I said generic branding, not route branding...
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 03:41:51 PM
Speaking of 6945-50, will they ever gain generic branding? Or are they going to stay like they are forever? Is there any reason why they didn't get it?
You could ask the same question of why most of the recent Platinums at YW stayed unbranded.
It is likely they will receive branding in the near future, once they've been moved around after the electrics get delivered.
It makes sense for the recent Platinum Enviros at YW not to be branded if,as expected,they are to be sent elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 04:52:11 PM
You could ask the same question of why most of the recent Platinums at YW stayed unbranded.
It is likely they will receive branding in the near future, once they've been moved around after the electrics get delivered.
It appears to be common knowledge that the YW ones are moving so we know that's why they've been untouched but 6945-50 have been at BC a while and don't look likely to move anywhere so it seems a little strange is all.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
It appears to be common knowledge that the YW ones are moving so we know that's why they've been untouched but 6945-50 have been at BC a while and don't look likely to move anywhere so it seems a little strange is all.
Same could be said whether the 23/24, X20/X21/X22 will have their branding finished off or in the new style. I know a couple of the routes have been changed since the 24th July 2018, but surely they can be finished off now?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
It appears to be common knowledge that the YW ones are moving so we know that's why they've been untouched but 6945-50 have been at BC a while and don't look likely to move anywhere so it seems a little strange is all.
If I recall correctly, the batch that arrived at YW for use on the 6 were not originally intended to go there; the YW 6 needed a double-deck upgrade quickly, so I guess that whatever plans had been made had to be changed at short notice.
Hence why six Platinums at BC and the majority of those delivered to YW remained unbranded. It would have been pointless to brand only 6 buses at BC if their route couldn't be fully upgraded.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
If I recall correctly, the batch that arrived at YW for use on the 6 were not originally intended to go there; the YW 6 needed a double-deck upgrade quickly, so I guess that whatever plans had been made had to be changed at short notice.
Hence why six Platinums at BC and the majority of those delivered to YW remained unbranded. It would have been pointless to brand only 6 buses at BC if their route couldn't be fully upgraded.
Again, I'm not talking about route branding though.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
If I recall correctly, the batch that arrived at YW for use on the 6 were not originally intended to go there; the YW 6 needed a double-deck upgrade quickly, so I guess that whatever plans had been made had to be changed at short notice.
Hence why six Platinums at BC and the majority of those delivered to YW remained unbranded. It would have been pointless to brand only 6 buses at BC if their route couldn't be fully upgraded.
The 6 at BC are used on the - X1/X2, 23/24 and Uni routes with the other platinums and these routes are all platinum routes.
They were also delivered a year earlier. 7515 - 7517 which were delivered in 2019 and are used on the same routes are also branded.
So why not the 69XX.
Quote from: 2206 on January 26, 2020, 06:26:42 PM
The 6 at BC are used on the - X1/X2, 23/24 and Uni routes with the other platinums and these routes are all platinum routes.
They were also delivered a year earlier. 7515 - 7517 which were delivered in 2019 and are used on the same routes are also branded.
Yes, we all know that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 06:07:55 PM
Again, I'm not talking about route branding though.
I know, but you're asking why they didn't receive any 'generic' branding, and I'm trying to explain why they didn't.
It would be a waste of time and money applying generic branding, if the intention is for them to be route branded.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
I know, but you're asking why they didn't receive any 'generic' branding, and I'm trying to explain why they didn't.
It would be a waste of time and money applying generic branding, if the intention is for them to be route branded.
What would they be route branded for that requires 6 buses or less? As usually branding is done in batches so even if the YW ones are branded for the 45/47 or whatever it may be it's not likely branding will include 6945-50. And as stated above, 7515-17 got generic branding.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 06:55:22 PM
What would they be route branded for that requires 6 buses or less? As usually branding is done in batches so even if the YW ones are branded for the 45/47 or whatever it may be it's not likely branding will include 6945-50. And as stated above, 7515-17 got generic branding.
Well only Tony will have the exact answers, I'm just trying to explain my thoughts on why certain vehicles received no branding, any that did receive generic branding were more than likely always intended to do so.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2020, 07:25:01 PM
Well only Tony will have the exact answers, I'm just trying to explain my thoughts on why certain vehicles received no branding, any that did receive generic branding were more than likely always intended to do so.
I know, I was just curious.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
It appears to be common knowledge that the YW ones are moving so we know that's why they've been untouched but 6945-50 have been at BC a while and don't look likely to move anywhere so it seems a little strange is all.
These were part of a small batch with tachographs, which would be used on private hire when required. You may recall when YW had 61xx for the 50, 6147 and 8 were unbranded for the same reason. I'm pretty sure that's why they aren't branded (two of the batch were replacements for 6147/8 at YW). All reported on here by
@Tony at the time.
Quote from: don on January 26, 2020, 08:58:50 PM
These were part of a small batch with tachographs, which would be used on private hire when required. You may recall when YW had 61xx for the 50, 6147 and 8 were unbranded for the same reason. I'm pretty sure that's why they aren't branded (two were replacements for 6147/8 at YW).
All of 6942 to 6951 are tachograhs , but 6942/3/4 and 6951 are all got branded ( not route branded )
The same could be said for some of PBs recent platinums some had 16 branding, some had generic red branding and a couple had no branding whatsoever.
@Solo1 None of those you've posted are very noteworthy. There is at least a Platinum on the Pershore Road every day and, the B7RLEs are on the 97 occasionally too
Quote from: John on January 28, 2020, 11:19:01 AM
@Solo1
None of those you've posted are very noteworthy. There is at least a Platinum on the Pershore Road every day and, the B7RLEs are on the 97 occasionally too
A B7 is booked on the 97 everyday so it's usual to see one on there. The Bristol Road tends to have the other.
Waited for a 23 by Baskerville House this evening, which tracked on the app (the generally reliable old version of the app) right up until it was showing as 'Due', then simply vanished off the face of the earth.
Can only assume it fell down a giant sink hole, like that bus in China.
Any amount of tinkering with timetables isn't going to save the ☓20/☓21/☓22 when they have to go through the car park that is the Edgbaston Park Road.
Can't really re-route away from there though. Only logical solution is to make that road entirely a bus lane between the traffic lights at Church Road and the turn off to Pritchatts Road. Even if it's at certain time of day. Too many cars use it to avoid Bristol Road, Pershore Road, Harborne Road etc. However, I can't see this ever happening.
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
4363 - 14 (Uncompliant)
Doesn't matter if its compliant or not, a Trident on a Trident route is not noteworthy, as Tony pointed out (which you have sinced edited from your post)
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
Doesn't matter if its compliant or not, a Trident on a Trident route is not noteworthy, as Tony pointed out (which you have sinced edited from your post)
Does it not? Since a Crimson Trident on the 14 is usual and red and white is actually rare, same with the 51, a Crimson Trident is usual but a red/white is rare.
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
Does it not? Since a Crimson Trident on the 14 is usual and red and white is actually rare, same with the 51, a Crimson Trident is usual but a red/white is rare.
Aren't the tridents the same as crimson now minus the refurb/repaint and trapped? So not worthy
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 02:46:15 PM
Does it not? Since a Crimson Trident on the 14 is usual and red and white is actually rare, same with the 51, a Crimson Trident is usual but a red/white is rare.
Where do you think 4363 operates then?
All BC routes come into the city now.
14 and 97 are the most common places to find it.
It is only at BC to cover their own tridents being away for euro 6 conversion
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2020, 03:00:17 PM
Where do you think 4363 operates then?
All BC routes come into the city now.
14 and 97 are the most common places to find it.
It is only at BC to cover their own tridents being away for euro 6 conversion
Routes that don't have a frequency higher than every 30 mins. NX are really wanting to be fined everytime it's going in and out on frequent routes? Why can't the 10H and X70 have 4363?
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
Routes that don't have a frequency higher than every 30 mins. NX are really wanting to be fined everytime it's going in and out on frequent routes? Why can't the 10H and X70 have 4363?
Isn't the 10H on one of the Uni running boards now?
Quote from: CL on February 01, 2020, 03:41:15 PM
Isn't the 10H on one of the Uni running boards now?
I know it is on weekdays but Saturdays is it? Urban 2 on it today.
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
Routes that don't have a frequency higher than every 30 mins. NX are really wanting to be fined everytime it's going in and out on frequent routes? Why can't the 10H and X70 have 4363?
How many times have NX been fined for using 4363. Answer - 0
Even when the full clean air zone comes in, you only pay once per day on however many times a vehicle of any description enters the zone, so even in a dirty car once you have come in once you can come in as many times as you like that day
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2020, 03:44:31 PM
How many times have NX been fined for using 4363. Answer - 0
Even when the full clean air zone comes in, you only pay once per day on however many times a vehicle of any description enters the zone, so even in a dirty car once you have come in once you can come in as many times as you like that day
Love how NX never gets fined but if a Diamond or small operator does it then they get the fine! What makes NX so special?
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 03:53:59 PM
Love how NX never gets fined but if a Diamond or small operator does it then they get the fine! What makes NX so special?
No bus operator has been given special treatment, as none has been fined
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
No bus operator has been given special treatment, as none has been fined
@Tony is quite correct on this point no fines have been reported within the WMCA I am aware off.
In theory all vehicles should have been Euro 6 from 1/1/20 but
NXWM had the problem with Green Urban losing their certification, so none of the original trapped vehicles are certified Euro 6, so all those vehicles are now being redone by Graysons hence why 4363 has had to stay at BC and many Green Urban vehicles which in reality are only about Euro 5 are also coming into Birmingham
Diamond have suffered delays with deliveries from Wrights so are operating buses on the 16 which do not meet Euro 6 standards.
Claribels have been upgrading vehicles to Euro 6, but I have no idea where they are with their programme. Steve might be able to tell us, but I suspect their entire fleet is not yet done.
Thandi are using a standard E200 on the 53. That will not be Euro 6. MMCs are the only Enviros built to euro 6.
NX are now going flat out on getting enough vehicles to meet the new 1/7/20 deadline.
I presume the new Diamond StreetLites will give them enough vehicles for July
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
In theory all vehicles should have been Euro 6 from 1/1/20 but
NXWM had the problem with Green Urban losing their certification, so none of the original trapped vehicles are certified Euro 6, so all those vehicles are now being redone by Graysons hence why 4363 has had to stay at BC and many Green Urban vehicles which in reality are only about Euro 5 are also coming into Birmingham
Diamond have suffered delays with deliveries from Wrights so are operating buses on the 16 which do not meet Euro 6 standards.
Claribels have been upgrading vehicles to Euro 6, but I have no idea where they are with their programme. Steve might be able to tell us, but I suspect their entire fleet is not yet done.
Thandi are using a standard E200 on the 53. That will not be Euro 6. MMCs are the only Enviros built to euro 6.
NX are now going flat out on getting enough vehicles to meet the new 1/7/20 deadline.
I presume the new Diamond StreetLites will give them enough vehicles for July
My understanding
@Tony is WMCA are themselves very understanding of these issues which to be frank are outside the operators control and will be fully addressed in due course mind you unlike Kevs I was not convinced Evergreen Coaches would be fully compliant and had grave reservations of thier contract award.
Is there any further news as to when NXWM are going to vacate BC as reported last Spring? I remember suggestions at the time that it may be replaced by a couple of new locations rather than just one.
Just after 1pm, a 70 Birmingham Via Ward End spotted going into town near millennium point. Incorrect display or is there a 70 at this time of the day? Never noticed one before.
Quote from: Gareth on February 03, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Just after 1pm, a 70 Birmingham Via Ward End spotted going into town near millennium point. Incorrect display or is there a 70 at this time of the day? Never noticed one before.
It's an error. The 70 is a school service now.
Quote from: Gareth on February 03, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Just after 1pm, a 70 Birmingham Via Ward End spotted going into town near millennium point. Incorrect display or is there a 70 at this time of the day? Never noticed one before.
No there's not, usually one in the morning and one in the afternoon and both are normally tridents.
Can anyone confirm that the 70 be running from Ward End to Coleshill at 08:05am on the 18th Feburary, as I notice it has that journey non school days timetable? But wouldn't want to go and wait for it, to see that it's not operating that day?
Quote from: Mike K on January 29, 2020, 06:10:33 PM
Waited for a 23 by Baskerville House this evening, which tracked on the app (the generally reliable old version of the app) right up until it was showing as 'Due', then simply vanished off the face of the earth.
Can only assume it fell down a giant sink hole, like that bus in China.
Exactly the same thing happened again this evening, at a very similar time. Bus tracked until 'Due' then vanished again. Out of frustration I caught the 24 (6876) instead as it was freezing. The phantom 23 is continuing to track as being 1 minute in front, but it doesn't exist.
Bewildering.
5516 on tow Aston express way from city
Quote from: Gareth on February 03, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Just after 1pm, a 70 Birmingham Via Ward End spotted going into town near millennium point. Incorrect display or is there a 70 at this time of the day? Never noticed one before.
it was a shortened day finishing at 12:30 at park hall academy so national express had to be informed hence the early service
Quote from: samuel derrington on February 07, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
6876 on 14
6950 on 97
The 23/24 branded buses seem to get around a bit. Is it fair to say that perhaps there's too many of them now since the 23 and 24 started interworking?
Similarly you get lots of non-branded buses on the Uni corridor as there isn't really enough since the ☓21 became included.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2020, 01:22:06 PM
The 23/24 branded buses seem to get around a bit. Is it fair to say that perhaps there's too many of them now since the 23 and 24 started interworking?
Similarly you get lots of non-branded buses on the Uni corridor as there isn't really enough since the ☓21 became included.
Not sure it's a case of there being too many 23/24 branded ones as you see quite a few of the generic branded Platinums on these routes daily. Plus the odd E400 and Trident. The Uni routes could definitely do with some more branded buses - 11 to go across all three routes is not a lot.
Quote from: Mike K on February 08, 2020, 01:36:37 PM
Not sure it's a case of there being too many 23/24 branded ones as you see quite a few of the generic branded Platinums on these routes daily. Plus the odd E400 and Trident. The Uni routes could definitely do with some more branded buses - 11 to go across all three routes is not a lot.
There's only 10 Uni branded buses? 6880-89
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2020, 03:21:28 PM
There's only 10 Uni branded buses? 6880-89
Good spot. So there are. I had a heavy night last night.
At least 3 E400s on the 14 today. Not sure if they all are. Nice change 😃
Quote from: Gareth on February 09, 2020, 04:15:36 PM
At least 3 E400s on the 14 today. Not sure if they all are. Nice change 😃
All 14 and 97's are booked as E400's on Sundays now.
Quote from: Nathan on February 09, 2020, 04:32:17 PM
All 14 and 97's are booked as E400's on Sundays now.
Is that just until the Tridents get upgraded?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 09, 2020, 05:03:01 PM
Is that just until the Tridents get upgraded?
Nope, It's just what the booked type on the boards now. It's presumably implementing the same practice other depots have used for a few years now, use newer double deckers where possible on Sundays in place of older double deckers.
Although it probably explains why several E400's have started appearing on both the 14 & 97 during the week in recent times.
Quote from: Nathan on February 09, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
Nope, It's just what the booked type on the boards now. It's presumably implementing the same practice other depots have used for a few years now, use newer double deckers where possible on Sundays in place of older double deckers.
Although it probably explains why several E400's have started appearing on both the 14 & 97 during the week in recent times.
nxwm might be looking at using 45/47 cascades on these routes if they get the YW 6 platinums
4948 was at Ward End on the 70 this morning, presumably this goes onto the X70 outside of school term time? Does it go onto the 14 during school term time as its normally a Trident?
@SO6597, again it's usual to see a B7RLE on 61/63, that's where one is allocated a day...
Quote from: 2206 on February 17, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
4948 was at Ward End on the 70 this morning, presumably this goes onto the X70 outside of school term time? Does it go onto the 14 during school term time as its normally a Trident?
yes as I'm pretty sure in the holidays it only runs for hams hall and then does a trip on X70 and goes to garage
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 17, 2020, 10:28:19 PM
yes as I'm pretty sure in the holidays it only runs for hams hall
Must run because there is demand for it to run. There were quite a few people onboard.
I caught it to Coleshill Parkway and a few people getting off and on in the Water Orton area as well, as a few getting off at Gorsey Lane and at Coleshill Parkway.
Quote from: 2206 on February 17, 2020, 11:00:16 PM
Must run because there is demand for it to run. There were quite a few people onboard.
I caught it to Coleshill Parkway and a few people getting off and on in the Water Orton area as well, as a few getting off at Gorsey Lane and at Coleshill Parkway.
yes when I catch it to school in the morning a lot of workers be on the bus downstairs
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 18, 2020, 11:30:22 AM
yes when I catch it to school in the morning a lot of workers be on the bus downstairs
Is there no demand for some form of return journey though?
As surely the workers have to come back in the evening as well? Just seems strange that in School Holidays they run it in one direction but not the other?
25 Quinton to Five Ways via Augustus Road from 15th March 2020.
Looks like the 10H (City Centre to QE via Ladywood) might finally be gone soon.
Not surprising as usage was very low.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/543807/
Presumably this new 25 service will replace the 10H in the Ladywood area on its way to Five Ways and serve Momentum Road then?
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 01:10:19 PM
25 Quinton to Five Ways via Augustus Road from 15th March 2020.
Looks like the 10H (City Centre to QE via Ladywood) might finally be gone soon.
Not surprising as usage was very low.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/543807/
This service won't last long either.
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 01:10:19 PM
25 Quinton to Five Ways via Augustus Road from 15th March 2020.
Looks like the 10H (City Centre to QE via Ladywood) might finally be gone soon.
Not surprising as usage was very low.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/543807/
Presumably this new 25 service will replace the 10H in the Ladywood area on its way to Five Ways and serve Momentum Road then?
If the registration says
via Augustus Road then surely it's replacing the 10 more than the 10H ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 18, 2020, 02:21:38 PM
If the registration says via Augustus Road then surely it's replacing the 10 more than the 10H ?
10H has been removed from the list of services on the registration, which are usually listed between the brackets such as on the Sutton registration 902 (X4, X5, X3).
Now says (10, 10S, 25), when the 10H was listed there previously.
So that suggests the 10H might be going? And it would make sense as usage is very low on this service.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 18, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
This service won't last long either.
It would've long gone if it didn't... This route looks like aimed at replacing peak route 10 to attract passengers and avoiding traffic.
What were the reasons for the removal of the 8A/8C from Monument Road in Ladywood, which served it before the 10H did
@Tony?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 18, 2020, 05:05:31 PM
Also what does Hail and Ride mean? You can just call it from anywhere along the route?
Along certain sections of the route.
Think Claribel 168 has hail and ride sections in the Sutton area, where there are no bus stops present.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 18, 2020, 02:21:38 PM
If the registration says via Augustus Road then surely it's replacing the 10 more than the 10H ?
Yeah, I'd say so. Still would've liked to have seen it go to Shenley Fields though.
If this is replacing the 10 will WB have it? As the 10 currently interworks with the 10S/54/54A does it not?
Also what does Hail and Ride mean? You can just call it from anywhere along the route?
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
Is there no demand for some form of return journey though?
As surely the workers have to come back in the evening as well? Just seems strange that in School Holidays they run it in one direction but not the other?
the afternoon journey starts from Park Hall Academy so it's just for the school children but a duplicate X70 runs with the one that's due at park hall academy at 2:45 just comes a bit later
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
What were the reasons for the removal of the 8A/8C from Momentum Road in Ladywood, which served it before the 10H did @Tony?Along certain sections of the route.
Think Claribel 168 has hail and ride sections in the Sutton area, where there are no bus stops present.
It was traffic issues that affected the reliability of the route. It was also changed in Hockley and Aston as well for the same reason.
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
Is there no demand for some form of return journey though?
As surely the workers have to come back in the evening as well? Just seems strange that in School Holidays they run it in one direction but not the other?
Are you asking about the 70? Perhaps the workers catch the X70 on the return journey? :)
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 04:56:59 PM
What were the reasons for the removal of the 8A/8C from Momentum Road in Ladywood, which served it before the 10H did @Tony?Along certain sections of the route.
Think Claribel 168 has hail and ride sections in the Sutton area, where there are no bus stops present.
I think you mean
Monument Road. ;)
The 8A/C were rerouted due to Hagley Road congestion
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 02:29:16 PM
10H has been removed from the list of services on the registration, which are usually listed between the brackets such as on the Sutton registration 902 (X4, X5, X3).
Now says (10, 10S, 25), when the 10H was listed there previously.
So that suggests the 10H might be going? And it would make sense as usage is very low on this service.
It says on your link:
Service number. 10, 10H, 10S, 10, 10S, 25
Perhaps we need to take a step back and wait for official press release, as people sometimes read far too much into these registration changes.
Quote from: Stu on February 18, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Are you asking about the 70? Perhaps the workers catch the X70 on the return journey? :)
Yes I was asking why on non school days it runs via Ward End as the 70.
If they can get the X70 on the return journey, then why doesn't this run as an X70 on non school days. Otherwise its strange that there is no return journey on the 70.
Presumably they all would have to get off and change for the 94 coming back.
Quote from: Stu on February 18, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
It says on your link:
Service number. 10, 10H, 10S, 10, 10S, 25
Perhaps we need to take a step back and wait for official press release, as people sometimes read far too much into these registration changes.
Its shown as 10, 10H, 10S (10, 10S, 25) when you search for the registration PD0001111/790 here.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/search/?text%5Bsearch%5D=PD0001111/790&filter%5BtrafficArea%5D=West%20Midlands&filter%5BbusRegStatus%5D=Variation&search=PD0001111/790&searchBy=&security=58fff1b3a9b57fe8ada91c458cffe4eb-510570e38e3559885f364fd02dce0e83
Similarly to how the X20 registration is shown as 98 (X20), Sutton registration is shown as 902 (X4, X3, X5) and Harborne Regiration is shown as 22 (23, 24). The service numbers show in the brackets.
Unless the registration is wrong.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 18, 2020, 06:04:00 PM
It was traffic issues that affected the reliability of the route. It was also changed in Hockley and Aston as well for the same reason.
Thanks for the info. Did many people use it there, when the 8A/8C served Monument Road?
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
Yes I was asking why on non school days it runs via Ward End as the 70.
If they can get the X70 on the return journey, then why doesn't this run as an X70 on non school days. Otherwise its strange that there is no return journey on the 70.
Presumably they all would have to get off and change for the 94 coming back. Its shown as 10, 10H, 10S (10, 10S, 25) when you search for the registration PD0001111/790 here.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/search/?text%5Bsearch%5D=PD0001111/790&filter%5BtrafficArea%5D=West%20Midlands&filter%5BbusRegStatus%5D=Variation&search=PD0001111/790&searchBy=&security=58fff1b3a9b57fe8ada91c458cffe4eb-510570e38e3559885f364fd02dce0e83
Similarly to how the X20 registration is shown as 98 (X20), Sutton registration is shown as 902 (X4, X3, X5) and Harborne Regiration is shown as 22 (23, 24). The service numbers show in the brackets.
Unless the registration is wrong. Thanks for the info. Did many people use it there, when the 8A/8C served Monument Road?
Can't really say I never used the 8A/C around Monument Road. It probably did. If it wasn't for the congestion, we may still see the 8A/C going down Monument Road.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 18, 2020, 07:39:09 PM
Can't really say I never used the 8A/C around Monument Road. It probably did. If it wasn't for the congestion, we may still see the 8A/C going down Monument Road.
Going back a decade or so now, it was certainly used by people going to offices around the Hagley Road.
The Monument Road stop was convenient for people interchanging between Hagley Rd buses and the 8 towards Hockley. Having had the misfortune to have spent the past 26 years commuting from Quinton/Bearwood etc into town the traffic lights at the Plough & Harrow disproportionately favour motorists travelling from the Hockley direction towards the Five Ways roundabout. This then creates excessive delays to traffic along Hagley Road towards Monument Road.
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
Yes I was asking why on non school days it runs via Ward End as the 70.
If they can get the X70 on the return journey, then why doesn't this run as an X70 on non school days. Otherwise its strange that there is no return journey on the 70.
Presumably they all would have to get off and change for the 94 coming back.
To be honest, I don't know as I don't use the 70 or X70 myself. Perhaps you could undertake a passenger survey and ask people yourself?
You're assuming that people who catch the 70 are travelling to/from Ward End. Maybe they actually continue on to the city centre? In which case it would make no difference if it was a 70 or X70 that turned up.
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
Yes I was asking why on non school days it runs via Ward End as the 70.
If they can get the X70 on the return journey, then why doesn't this run as an X70 on non school days. Otherwise its strange that there is no return journey on the 70.
Presumably they all would have to get off and change for the 94 coming back.
No workers get off in ward end only city centre and back in 2019 I remember on a half term holiday it come up bromford instead
Caught 4616 on the 94 this morning. Had been a while since I last caught a Trident on here.
Nice to see them return to the 94 and the Washwood Heath Road.
The new electric bus was parked in BC last night.
Noticed a new Uni Hop ticket (with ID) has now been introduced on the 23/24.
Similar to the one on the Uni and Bristol Road corridors.
Clearly need to update their statement about the X20/X21/X22.
"These services run up to every 20 minutes during peak times and offer a limited stop service between Vincent Drive (University station) and the city centre. "
Should say they run up to every 6 minutes between University Sation (for the QE)/University North Gate and City Centre.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/useful-information/the-hop
As well as this:
"Hop on the 61 or 63 to uni / QE Hospital". 61/63 don't go to the QE, they go to Bournbrook.
Is 4905 still in the pride livery
Quote from: BH2004 on February 28, 2020, 11:11:54 PM
Is 4905 still in the pride livery
As far as I'm aware yes it is :)
Yes. It's on the Pershore Road services today.
Saw 6892 on Jennens Road on a Cross Country Rail Replacement to Coleshill earlier at about 13:20 today.
Quote from: BH2004 on February 28, 2020, 11:11:54 PM
Is 4905 still in the pride livery
It was painted permanently in the rainbow colours as the pride bus was well received and sought for so stayed in its pride colours
767 was operating the ex igo BCC Alderman Bowen contract today.
Just saw it come down Sladefield Road and Washwood Heath Road in Ward End.
Looks like it's a door to door service as well, as the passenger seemed to be being dropped off at their door on the Washwood Heath Road.
Seems strange seeing it on Sladefield Road, as don't think any other buses usually go down there.
Will these be repainted into NX livery eventually as well? As the Solo igo used to use on there were in their livery.
Quote from: 2206 on March 05, 2020, 04:04:51 PM
767 was operating the ex igo BCC Alderman Bowen contract today.
Just saw it come down Sladefield Road and Washwood Heath Road in Ward End.
Looks like it's a door to door service as well, as the passenger seemed to be being dropped off at their door on the Washwood Heath Road.
Seems strange seeing it on Sladefield Road, as don't think any othe buses usually go down there.
Will these be repainted into NX livery eventually as well? As the Solo igo used to use on there were in their livery.
They have been doing that run for 6 months. There is no point whatsoever in painting them, you only have to paint them white again when you return them
Quote from: 2206 on March 05, 2020, 04:04:51 PM
767 was operating the ex igo BCC Alderman Bowen contract today.
Just saw it come down Sladefield Road and Washwood Heath Road in Ward End.
Looks like it's a door to door service as well, as the passenger seemed to be being dropped off at their door on the Washwood Heath Road.
Seems strange seeing it on Sladefield Road, as don't think any other buses usually go down there.
Will these be repainted into NX livery eventually as well? As the Solo igo used to use on there were in their livery.
The igo solos were in livery as they had operated service work before whereas NX have leased 765-8 Purley for these contracts
Faredodger boarded 6892 on the X21 at the Granville Street stop at around 14:00 this afternoon. He asked the driver if he could get on without paying as "he had an appointment at the QE".
Seen him pleanty of times before, with the same excuse, travelling between the QE and Granville Street each time and each time the drivers have allowed him to board without paying, including today.
Doesn't matter if he has an appointment at the QE or not, as i'm sure other people who have appointments still pay the bus fare to get there. Disgraceful I think.
Bet he knows he's unlikely to get caught. Never seen any NX inspectors on these routes in the Edgbaston and University areas.
NX inspectors seem to pick the same stop all the time, the one at Smallbrook Queensway coming into the City Centre.
Quote from: 2206 on March 06, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
Faredodger boarded 6892 on the X21 at the Granville Street stop at around 14:00 this afternoon. He asked the driver if he could get on without paying as "he had an appointment at the QE".
Seen him pleanty of times before, with the same excuse, travelling between the QE and Granville Street each time and each time the drivers have allowed him to board without paying, including today.
Doesn't matter if he has an appointment at the QE or not, as i'm sure other people who have appointments still pay the bus fare to get there. Disgraceful I think.
Bet he knows he's unlikely to get caught. Never seen any NX inspectors on these routes in the Edgbaston and University areas.
NX inspectors seem to pick the same stop all the time, the one at Smallbrook Queensway coming into the City Centre.
I don't know why the inspectors are all based in town. For me they should be in major areas where a lot of people are going to board a bus like for example the QE, Five Ways, Erdington etc.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 06, 2020, 06:06:07 PM
I don't know why the inspectors are all based in town. For me they should be in major areas where a lot of people are going to board a bus like for example the QE, Five Ways, Erdington etc.
Should be just after the major areas.
If they are at major places where lots of people are boarding a bus, then i'd expect people will see them and just walk to the next stop and try and get on there.
E.G for the QE/Uni - Church Road or Somerset Road (Vale Village) stop
Quote from: 2206 on March 06, 2020, 03:54:02 PM
Faredodger boarded 6892 on the X21 at the Granville Street stop at around 14:00 this afternoon. He asked the driver if he could get on without paying as "he had an appointment at the QE".
Seen him pleanty of times before, with the same excuse, travelling between the QE and Granville Street each time and each time the drivers have allowed him to board without paying, including today.
Doesn't matter if he has an appointment at the QE or not, as i'm sure other people who have appointments still pay the bus fare to get there. Disgraceful I think.
Bet he knows he's unlikely to get caught. Never seen any NX inspectors on these routes in the Edgbaston and University areas.
NX inspectors seem to pick the same stop all the time, the one at Smallbrook Queensway coming into the City Centre.
If you have a description of this fella, and you know he does this regularly, then please report it to Safer Travel, or contact NX West Midlands directly.
Since when did BC do staff buses in the Bartley Green area? There was a 23/4 branded bus running down Adams hill with the destination display set as Staff bus to Birmingham central garage
Quote from: mesub on March 11, 2020, 04:15:53 PM
Since when did BC do staff buses in the Bartley Green area? There was a 23/4 branded bus running down Adams hill with the destination display set as Staff bus to Birmingham central garage
BC have run staff buses in the Bartley Green area since Quinton garage shut
I've noticed the X70 been took of the platinum map now
Quote from: Jack6101 on March 11, 2020, 09:02:21 PM
I've noticed the X70 been took of the platinum map now
About time never really consistently was, wondering how that route is performing apart from the worker journeys, the train at a glance appears to have killed that corridor. Not based on any stats just general observations.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 11, 2020, 09:19:20 PM
About time never really consistently was, wondering how that route is performing apart from the worker journeys, the train at a glance appears to have killed that corridor. Not based on any stats just general observations.
How can the train kill that corridor. There's only one station with any sort of service
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
How can the train kill that corridor. There's only one station with any sort of service
There are two stations on that route, Water Orton and Coleshill Parkway to Birmingham New Street?
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
How can the train kill that corridor. There's only one station with any sort of service
My point is back in the day the 90 and 590 days used to carry good loads, I'm suggesting since the train service started how ever long ago it was, doesn't seem as busy.
Quote from: 2206 on March 11, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
There are two stations on that route, Water Orton and Coleshill Parkway to Birmingham New Street?
I said with any sort of service. Two hourly with no trains after 1600 is hardly going to take many off the buses
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2020, 10:02:01 PM
I said with any sort of service. Two hourly with no trains after 1600 is hardly going to take many off the buses
When I looked the, first train to New Street said 07:34 and last return from New Street said 19:52.
So might be useful for commuters going to Birmingham.
Quote from: 2206 on March 11, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
When I looked the, first train to New Street said 07:34 and last return from New Street said 19:52.
So might be useful for commuters going to Birmingham.
That's all it has been good for for the last 50 years, I bet you didn't look at the fares compared to say Tame bridge and see the difference
Anyway I was just curious if the x70 has been under performing as the reason it's been taken off the platinum map or could changes be on the horizon?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 11, 2020, 10:17:45 PM
Anyway I was just curious if the x70 has been under performing as the reason it's been taken off the platinum map or could changes be on the horizon?
It's funny that's it's being taken off the Platinum map because I've never seen a single Platinum in the route. It's mainly Tridents and E400s that go on the X70.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 11, 2020, 11:12:45 PM
It's funny that's it's being taken off the Platinum map because I've never seen a single Platinum in the route. It's mainly Tridents and E400s that go on the X70.
Platinums do crop up on the X70 in the week, and especially on weekends (both buses on a Sunday are usually Platinum spec Enviro 400MMC's)
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 11, 2020, 11:12:45 PM
It's funny that's it's being taken off the Platinum map because I've never seen a single Platinum in the route. It's mainly Tridents and E400s that go on the X70.
Yes, they do put Platinums on it Saturdays usually, not sure on Sundays and weekdays but they do put spare ones on it Saturdays.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 11, 2020, 11:12:45 PM
It's funny that's it's being taken off the Platinum map because I've never seen a single Platinum in the route. It's mainly Tridents and E400s that go on the X70.
On the running boards it's titled as just 70 not X70. However in the trips sections it's titled as X70 and the buses listed on the boards are 6 E400 and 1 Trident.
What I've seen today from NX Bus on the BC 14 service is very poor.
- Driver driving 4576 at approximatley 13:50 with the green coat and black hat was driving straight past passengers waiting at their closest stops on the diversion route. Clear example of a very poor service there. Woman at the bus stop rightly said that it's very stupid of him.
- NX Bus clearly are unable to inform passengers of the diversion, in any way at all. No notices on any stops, buses, websites or even Twitter page. Yet Diamond Bus had this on their website and Twitter page, days in advance. Which is excellent to see. So what makes NX Bus being the larger company so incapable. Think planned diversions such as this one should be advertised in advance.
- Driver on 4572 was still taking the diversion route at 15:20. Though it was officially supposed to end at 15:00. Also the fact that I went down the full length of the Alum Rock Road at about 14:30 and the road had reopened by that time. So clearly NX Bus had not informed the driver the official time the diversion was supposed to end at or the fact that the road had reopened.
Overall an extremely poor service from NX Bus I think
@Tony.
Quote from: 2206 on March 12, 2020, 03:31:28 PM
What I've seen today from NX Bus on the BC 14 service is very poor.
- Driver driving 4576 at approximatley 13:50 with the green coat and black hat was driving straight past passengers waiting at their closest stops on the diversion route. Clear example of a very poor service there. Woman at the bus stop rightly said that it's very stupid of him.
- NX Bus clearly are unable to inform passengers of the diversion, in any way at all. No notices on any stops, buses, websites or even Twitter page. Yet Diamond Bus had this on their website and Twitter page, days in advance. Which is excellent to see. So what makes NX Bus being the larger company so incapable. Think planned diversions such as this one should be advertised in advance.
- Driver on 4572 was still taking the diversion route at 15:20. Though it was officially supposed to end at 15:00. Also the fact that I went down the full length of the Alum Rock Road at about 14:30 and the road had reopened by that time. So clearly NX Bus had not informed the driver the official time the diversion was supposed to end at or the fact that the road had reopened.
Overall an extremely poor service from NX Bus I think @Tony.
Drivers on a diverted 14 will 9 times out of 10 not inform any passengers before speeding up Washwood Heath Road without stopping at that first stop if anyone needs to get off. Been like that for many years and sadly it probably won't change anytime soon. Nor do I see anything advertised anywhere advising of diversions.
Quote from: Gareth on March 12, 2020, 04:01:40 PM
Nor do I see anything advertised anywhere advising of diversions.
See here
@Gareth -
https://www.diamondbuses.com/west-midlands/bus-services/28a/
If Diamond Bus can advise of Diversions, its surprising NX can not.
Quote from: aSingh on March 12, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
On the running boards it's titled as just 70 not X70. However in the trips sections it's titled as X70 and the buses listed on the boards are 6 E400 and 1 Trident.
Why advertise it as Platinum when it never really was then?
Is the X12 24 hour?
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 13, 2020, 08:44:35 AM
Is the X12 24 hour?
No and nowhere near 24 hours on the City Centre - Clock Garage Section, as that starts at 6AM.
Think Clock Garage to Solihull does start early at 3:15am though, so 21 hours on that section.
Only the X1 runs 24/7.
Also run by AG not BC.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 13, 2020, 08:44:35 AM
Is the X12 24 hour?
Isn't it easier just to look?
https://bustimes.org/services/x12-birmingham-solihull-via-chelmsley-wood
Quote from: 2206 on March 13, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
No and nowhere near 24 hours on the City Centre - Clock Garage Section, as that starts at 6AM.
Think Clock Garage to Solihull does start early at 3:15am though, so 21 hours on that section.
Only the X1 runs 24/7.
Also run by AG not BC.
The X1 only runs 24/7 between Birmingham and Birmingham Airport. Coventry isn't served between 12.30am and 04:00am.
Noticed one of the BC 14 drivers wearing a mask on 4622 this afternoon.
Never seen that before.
Quote from: 2206 on March 14, 2020, 02:37:43 PM
Noticed one of the BC 14 drivers wearing a mask on 4622 this afternoon.
Never seen that before.
Some diamond drivers are wearing blue disposable gloves. Can hardly blame them
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 14, 2020, 03:17:48 PM
Some diamond drivers are wearing blue disposable gloves. Can hardly blame them
I did see another 14 earlier on at 11:50 and the driver was wearing blue disposable gloves on that one.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 14, 2020, 03:17:48 PM
Some diamond drivers are wearing blue disposable gloves. Can hardly blame them
Quote from: 2206 on March 14, 2020, 03:24:21 PM
I did see another 14 earlier on at 11:50 and the driver was wearing blue disposable gloves on that one.
Folks, we don't need a running commentary on which drivers are wearing masks and/or gloves, so lets draw a line here.
4358 is on the 61/63 today.
Quote from: BH2004 on March 24, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
Has 94 been moved to BC
BC do one AM peak round trip
@BH2004.
Think it does the 09:14 from City Centre.
Though today will probably be the last day it will operate for the foreseeable future, with reduced timetables in place from tomorrow I expect.
Platinums starting to creep onto the 14 seen 685* running empty on burney lane today
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 08:10:56 PM
And? what's the connection?
A reduced timetable would mean a lower PVR so there
should be more platinums available to cover the route. Obviously there are more factors than that to what ultimately gets allocated.
Quote from: mesub on March 27, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
A reduced timetable would mean a lower PVR so there should be more platinums available to cover the route. Obviously there are more factors than that to what ultimately gets allocated.
How many platinums have been stored then? Have you thought about that?
BC are not running any buses with expired MoTs
Quote from: mesub on March 27, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
A reduced timetable would mean a lower PVR so there should be more platinums available to cover the route. Obviously there are more factors than that to what ultimately gets allocated.
it also depends what bus is parked in the bays in what order
I noticed today that 6875 had some NHS rainbow pictures on the top deck, facing outwards - one in the upper windscreen, one half way along on the near side top deck; I didn't see the offside. Not sure if these are NXWM applied or someone has taken it on themselves to put them up, but nice touch.
Quote from: Mike K on April 13, 2020, 11:56:45 PM
I noticed today that 6875 had some NHS rainbow pictures on the top deck, facing outwards - one in the upper windscreen, one half way along on the near side top deck; I didn't see the offside. Not sure if these are NXWM applied or someone has taken it on themselves to put them up, but nice touch.
All the 55, 94 and 11's have them.
So I think the whole fleet in service (or at least most of the fleet) has the NHS/Key Worker Rainbow pictures facing outwards. And the lower decks have them as well.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/rainbows-on-the-bus
https://www.business-live.co.uk/commercial-property/hub-unveils-plans-2000-new-18116843
Quote from: ellspurs on April 14, 2020, 12:33:47 AM
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/rainbows-on-the-bus
In the article it states that Adam Cook said "The new garages will provide state-of-the-art engineering and operations facilities in locations that are aligned to our network, improving the efficiency and environmental impact of these essential services."
I draw your attention to the word
garages and not
garage.
A few months ago i noticed elsewhere or it have been on here (can't remember) that there would be two garages, one in south Birmingham and one in east Birmingham
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 26, 2020, 07:35:08 PM
In the article it states that Adam Cook said "The new garages will provide state-of-the-art engineering and operations facilities in locations that are aligned to our network, improving the efficiency and environmental impact of these essential services."
I draw your attention to the word garages and not garage.
A few months ago i noticed elsewhere or it have been on here (can't remember) that there would be two garages, one in south Birmingham and one in east Birmingham
The quote from Adam Cook does begin by including "over the next ten years". There are already plans in place to relocate the Perry Barr garage, and presumably NX are already looking for (if they haven't identified already) a new site to replace the Birmingham Central garage.
Is there a possibility that the ex 45/47 get branded for 97 once in crimson and the 10 14 regs get branded for the 14 once crimsoned as looking on the website at pictures 10 buses were branded for the 14
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 30, 2020, 07:08:39 AM
Is there a possibility that the ex 45/47 get branded for 97 once in crimson and the 10 14 regs get branded for the 14 once crimsoned as looking on the website at pictures 10 buses were branded for the 14
Don't think there would be enough E400 at BC for the 14, 97 and the 60 to all be E400 operated. So probably unlikely.
Quote from: 2206 on April 30, 2020, 08:58:48 AM
Don't think there would be enough E400 at BC for the 14, 97 and the 60 to all be E400 operated. So probably unlikely.
the 60 still has some left for it
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 30, 2020, 02:59:38 PM
the 60 still has some left for it
20 E400 freed up if the 45/47 got platinums wouldn't replace all of the Tridents at BC (Around 50) I don't think. Most of which are used on the 14 and 97.
The 14 PVR with normal service would probably be higher than 10 i'd have thought.
Some of the E400 are used on the X70 and 61/63 as well pre coronavirus with normal service.
Quote from: 2206 on April 30, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
20 E400 freed up if the 45/47 got platinums wouldn't replace all of the Tridents at BC (Around 50) I don't think. Most of which are used on the 14 and 97.
The 14 PVR with normal service would probably be higher than 10 i'd have thought.
Some of the E400 are used on the X70 and 61/63 as well pre coronavirus with normal service.
BC do not have any route/vehicle changes planned after lockdown to save this thread getting clogged up with speculation
So platinums at YW where will they end up if not going to BC when the new electric buses enter service
Quote from: Solo1 on May 01, 2020, 04:23:23 PM
So platinums at YW where will they end up if not going to BC when the new electric buses enter service
You'll see. I don't do advance info!
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
You'll see. I don't do advance info!
ok thank you
Current operational fleet
4871
4874
4876
4880
4898
4899
4900
4901
4903
4904
4905
4906
4907
4909
4910
4913
4937
4938
4939
6825
6826
6830
6832
6834
6838
6839
6840
6841
6842
6843
6845
6846
6847
6849
6851
6853
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6855
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6862
6864
6869
6872
6873
6874
6875
6878
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6883
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6945
6946
6947
6948
6949
6950
7515
7516
7517
766
767
6828, 6831, 6835, 6837, 6852, 6856, 6861 coming back next week
Pride bus 4905 not looking its best anymore. Offside rear bumper panel in white and various dents in the body alongside the offside.
Clocked it today in the City Centre.
Nice to hear that familiar rattle on 6886 as it passed on the 63 earlier. Still sounds like something is loose in it or something.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 14, 2020, 05:38:22 PM
Nice to hear that familiar rattle on 6886 as it passed on the 63 earlier. Still sounds like something is loose in it or something.
I'm on the 87s and there are a few of them that have a rattle 6970, 6971, 6973. It happens when driver accelerates from standstill. Noticed that some of Pensnett's 69XX's have it too, wonder what it is.
Regarding the picture of the Bristol Road Hybrid on the main site at the Fort yesterday (Monday 29th), what were these doing in that area?
I was sure I saw what looked like one of these heading along the A47 (Heartlands Parkway), from where I was on the otherside of the wasteland on Drews Lane at about 10:30 (As it looked like a Gemini with Blue Branding).
Quote from: 2206 on June 30, 2020, 01:04:50 AM
Regarding the picture of the Bristol Road Hybrid on the main site at the Fort yesterday (Monday 29th), what were these doing in that area?
I was sure I saw what looked like one of these heading along the A47 (Heartlands Parkway), from where I was on the otherside of the wasteland on Drews Lane at about 10:30 (As it looked like a Gemini with Blue Branding).
I was road testing 5502 & 5504 ready for return to service
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2020, 06:07:28 AM
I was road testing 5502 & 5504 ready for return to service
Thanks for the info.
Just seen 5503 going past the Black Horse in Northfield. Not sure if it was in service or not though.
Scratch that, just seen 5505 on the 63 too so perhaps it was. Good to see them back.
Apparently X12 is coming to bc
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 01:36:28 AM
Apparently X12 is coming to bc
Was wondering about that too, it was quoted on here that the x1 might move to AG. Has that all changed now with Bordesley closure etc?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 07, 2020, 06:40:21 AM
Was wondering about that too, it was quoted on here that the x1 might move to AG. Has that all changed now with Bordesley closure etc?
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
65 and 67 will not cope with single deckers. Single deckers have been tried on the 65 before and didn't work then.
So what will go onto the 7 if the branded E400s are leaving?
Dought Central have all of this space for 3 extra routes either
Sorry but that just sounds like a load of crap someones told you
Quote from: John on July 07, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
So what will go onto the 7 if the branded E400s are leaving?
7 could get B7TL Gemini/Omnicity if it did happen - as they'd no longer be needed on the 94 if it left PB, or 65/67 either if that went single decker.
And if it did go single decker operated maybe the 65/67 could get some sort of frequency increase?
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
And what about the 101 branded ones? Can't remember the reason why, but didn't someone mention that the 48** batch should stay together?
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
Sounds like unmitigated madness.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
Is that suppose to a be a load of crap? I sense bs...
You really can't make any of the PB Decker routes to Single Deck without the frequency being altered... been tried on plenty of routes.
I very highly doubt the majority of the BY Omnilinks will be shipped into PB, without something being shipped out, and they'll most likely just be used on routes the current batch are used on.
The only route you'd make solid single deck would be the 52, but I struggle to see how they cope at times.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
Wouldn't it be best to stop the speculation and wait until sn announcement is made officially.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
In all honesty, nothing I've seen on said persons Instagram story has actually been factually correct. Wouldn't surprise me if this also isn't just to stir the pot.
The same person also slates bus drivers (Despite not being able to drive a bus themself), states that drivers exceed speed limits by quite some way (Despite being tracked by the company), posting pictures of vehicles involved in RTCs (Breaking company policy), has publicly slated a member of NX Staff.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
How can this be possible? I thought it's been said multiple times that the '15 reg batches of platinums cannot mix with the newer ones (if I recall correctly, it's something to do with the seating).
Quote from: mesub on July 07, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
How can this be possible? I thought it's been said multiple times that the '15 reg batches of platinums cannot mix with the newer ones (if I recall correctly, it's something to do with the seating).
They are mixed now!
Quote from: Dom on July 07, 2020, 06:52:33 PM
In all honesty, nothing I've seen on said persons Instagram story has actually been factually correct. Wouldn't surprise me if this also isn't just to stir the pot.
The same person also slates bus drivers (Despite not being able to drive a bus themself), states that drivers exceed speed limits by quite some way (Despite being tracked by the company), posting pictures of vehicles involved in RTCs (Breaking company policy), has publicly slated a member of NX Staff.
Do you have a link to this please?
I wonder if its the same person who was spamming my website with comments about vehicle movements which were utter fantasy.
Quote from: Stu on July 07, 2020, 08:11:22 PM
Do you have a link to this please?
I wonder if its the same person who was spamming my website with comments about vehicle movements which were utter fantasy.
I'll DM it you
Quote from: mesub on July 07, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
How can this be possible? I thought it's been said multiple times that the '15 reg batches of platinums cannot mix with the newer ones (if I recall correctly, it's something to do with the seating).
im pretty sure they would get mixed at one point but they already are at AG
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 08, 2020, 12:35:56 AM
im pretty sure they would get mixed at one point but they already are at AG
Are they ever going to come back to BC?
Quote from: mesub on July 08, 2020, 09:50:46 PM
Are they ever going to come back to BC?
I doubt it unless the X1 goes back or a BC service becomes Platinum.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 08, 2020, 09:54:32 PM
I doubt it unless the X1 goes back or a BC service becomes Platinum.
The X1 is at BC
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 08, 2020, 11:30:04 PM
Isn't it moving to AG?
I'm not sure where this BS originates
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 07, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
ive heard that 17 branded and a couple more scanias are going to AG and the rest are going to pb for 8A and 8C and 65/67 will become single deck using BY and PB scanias and 4799 upward will be going to bc and some 7 branded which will become unbranded so possibility 94 is moving to bc too so 55/94 can interwork using double deckers and 6701-6711 will be moving to bc too because X12 is moving to bc and X1 and X2 are going no where.
All that above is what I have heard
Maybe if the thing with the 94/55 did happen would be a good opportunity to re number the the 55 to 95 / or 94 to 56 to make the WW road corridor number more logical. They sorted the (Yardley Wood Rd) 2 / 12 now 2 & 3 to make more logical.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 20, 2020, 10:41:49 AM
Maybe if the thing with the 94/55 did happen would be a good opportunity to re number the the 55 to 95 / or 94 to 56 to make the WW road corridor number more logical. They sorted the (Yardley Wood Rd) 2 / 12 now 2 & 3 to make more logical.
Perhaps it should be renumbered anyway. 95 would probably be better, as you already have the 94, 96 & 97 in Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 20, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
Perhaps it should be renumbered anyway. 95 would probably be better, as you already have the 94, 96 & 97 in Chelmsley Wood.
How about: 14 becoming 54
94 becoming 56
97 becoming 53
X12 becoming X57
X70 becoming X59
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2020, 01:58:22 PM
How about: 14 becoming 54
94 becoming 56
97 becoming 53
X12 becoming X57
X70 becoming X59
There's already a 53. 97 and 53 presently both serve City Centre, Heartlands and Stechford.
So think that numbers already taken.
Quote from: 2206 on July 20, 2020, 02:00:44 PM
There's already a 53. 97 and 53 presently both serve City Centre, Heartlands and Stechford.
So think that numbers already taken.
I'm sure the 53 isn't noticed much and could be given a different number, I seem to remember the were two X20's in the City Centre for a few weeks a couple of years ago, The NXWM X20 was introduced before the Johnsons X20 was re-routed away from the City Centre
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
I'm sure the 53 isn't noticed much and could be given a different number, I seem to remember the were two X20's in the City Centre for a few weeks a couple of years ago, The NXWM X20 was introduced before the Johnsons X20 was re-routed away from the City Centre
I do think however it's quite possible someone could get on a plain white E200 on the 53 towards the City Centre and think they are on the other 53 (97 route) to Bordesley Green if it was renumbered. As both routes share multiple stops along Bordesley Green East.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2020, 01:58:22 PM
How about: 14 becoming 54
94 becoming 56
97 becoming 53
X12 becoming X57
X70 becoming X59
Seems like a lot more hassle to be honest. The 55 to 95 notion is only because it's in the same corridor as the 94.
I thought the current trend was to just renumber everything as the 25 as it isn't confusing one bit?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2020, 01:58:22 PM
How about: 14 becoming 54
94 becoming 56
97 becoming 53
X12 becoming X57
X70 becoming X59
No. There's no need. It's renumbering for the sake of renumbering and doesn't benefit anyone.
I'd go along with the suggestion of renumbering the 55 as 95, seems sensible enough to me.
Perhaps while we're at it, renumber the 70/X70 back as the 90? (With the current 70 journeys as 90A?)
If I recall correctly, it was only changed to the 70 when it was extended from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull, then it fit with the 71, 72 and 73 along Lode Lane.
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2020, 06:57:17 PM
I'd go along with the suggestion of renumbering the 55 as 95, seems sensible enough to me.
Perhaps while we're at it, renumber the 70/X70 back as the 90? (With the current 70 journeys as 90A?)
If I recall correctly, it was only changed to the 70 when it was extended from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull, then it fit with the 71, 72 and 73 along Lode Lane.
Renumbering the 55 to 95 or 94 to 56 makes sense as they run on the same corridor and operate a joint service/frequency.
X70 doesn't though. However, if you were to renumber it I think it would be the X90 rather than 90 as that runs express to/from Bromford (or maybe X13 to fit in with the X12).
You are correct, that it was renumbered to 70 when extended to Solihull in 2013, to fit in with the 71/72.
Quote from: Stu on July 20, 2020, 06:57:17 PM
I'd go along with the suggestion of renumbering the 55 as 95, seems sensible enough to me.
Perhaps while we're at it, renumber the 70/X70 back as the 90? (With the current 70 journeys as 90A?)
If I recall correctly, it was only changed to the 70 when it was extended from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull, then it fit with the 71, 72 and 73 along Lode Lane.
Agree with this, not sure where the x12 came from, but I guess that's well established now. I'd of called it x26 or x92 with the coleshill one being x90
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
... I seem to remember the were two X20's in the City Centre for a few weeks a couple of years ago, The NXWM X20 was introduced before the Johnsons X20 was re-routed away from the City Centre
True, and both X20s actually called at the same stop in Moor Street Queensway outbound.
On my final journey on Johnsons' service, on an Enviro 400MMC, it resulted in a few cases of "the wrong X20" when after picking up on Moor Street we turned towards Digbeth instead of going through the tunnel towards Smallbrook Queensway.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on July 21, 2020, 10:27:46 AM
True, and both X20s actually called at the same stop in Moor Street Queensway outbound.
On my final journey on Johnsons' service, on an Enviro 400MMC, it resulted in a few cases of "the wrong X20" when after picking up on Moor Street we turned towards Digbeth instead of going through the tunnel towards Smallbrook Queensway.
No surprise with Johnson's after Arriva the worst operator in The West Midlands County utterly hopeless when they served Blythe Valley Business Park on the X20 it was normal for them to either miss the Business Park out altogether or mess up the bus gate and many drivers refused to accept Nbus passes a complete joke of an operation compared the excellent A8 from a very professional operator in contrast Landflight
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
No surprise with Johnson's after Arriva the worst operator in The West Midlands County utterly hopeless when they served Blythe Valley Business Park on the X20 it was normal for them to either miss the Business Park out altogether or mess up the bus gate and many drivers refused to accept Nbus passes a complete joke of an operation.
On the contrary, I found Johnsons to provide an excellent service when I used them in Stratford. The fares were excellent value and the vehicle was presented to a high standard too.
I have used most of the operators in the West Midlands, and Johnsons and Arriva are by no means the worst. There are a few that I can name that don't provide a service close to what Johnsons and Arriva do.
Quote from: Pat on July 21, 2020, 12:03:36 PM
On the contrary, I found Johnsons to provide an excellent service when I used them in Stratford. The fares were excellent value and the vehicle was presented to a high standard too.
I have used most of the operators in the West Midlands, and Johnsons and Arriva are by no means the worst. There are a few that I can name that don't provide a service close to what Johnsons and Arriva do.
You never had the pleasure of using them for work purposes to Blythe Valey Business Park
@Pat as for using them regularly good riddance to bad rubbish the current service operated by Landflight is first class compered to Johnson's pure cowboys from my experience.
I perhaps should say that "the wrong X20" situation was because passengers for the NXWM service saw a double deck X20 turn up, but did not notice that it was going to Stratford and so got on.
In my experience on several services - within the TfWM area and on longer trips to Moreton-in-Marsh and Banbury - Johnsons have normally been dependable. When breakdowns or delays do occur, their twitter account seems better than most operators in announcing them.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on July 21, 2020, 12:21:17 PM
I perhaps should say that "the wrong X20" situation was because passengers for the NXWM service saw a double deck X20 turn up, but did not notice that it was going to Stratford and so got on.
The problem these days is people don't look at the destination blind. I once saw a young lady ask a driver where the bus was going, even though the blind in front of her said "INVERNESS" in a large font.
Quote from: Pat on July 21, 2020, 12:28:03 PM
The problem these days is people don't look at the destination blind. I once saw a young lady ask a driver where the bus was going, even though the blind in front of her said "INVERNESS" in a large font.
I'll do you one better. There were two passengers talking about is this the 17... whilst on the 17. (The 17 in question is the Birmingham one. Birmingham to Tile Cross).
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 21, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
I'll do you one better. There were two passengers talking about is this the 17... whilst on the 17. (The 17 in question is the Birmingham one. Birmingham to Tile Cross).
I was on the 3 going to Merry Hill once. At the Coppice Lane/The Boulevard junction, a young lad walked up to the driver and asked "is this going to Merry Hill?" He'd been sat on it since Lion Farm.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 21, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
I'll do you one better. There were two passengers talking about is this the 17... whilst on the 17. (The 17 in question is the Birmingham one. Birmingham to Tile Cross).
Since the 127 128 & 129 morphed into the 13/A I get countless people ask me is this bus going to Oldbury when its going to Blackheath mind you not this morning I was the only passenger all the way to Edgbaston on 4237 on the top deck.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
You never had the pleasure of using them for work purposes to Blythe Valey Business Park @Pat as for using them regularly good riddance to bad rubbish the current service operated by Landflight is first class compered to Johnson's pure cowboys from my experience.
Yet another example of Richard talking pure shite. Dare I ask, again, how has he been let back on this forum?
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
No surprise with Johnson's after Arriva the worst operator in The West Midlands County utterly hopeless when they served Blythe Valley Business Park on the X20 it was normal for them to either miss the Business Park out altogether or mess up the bus gate and many drivers refused to accept Nbus passes a complete joke of an operation compared the excellent A8 from a very professional operator in contrast Landflight
Stu and Tony - This is another example of negative comments about bus operators on this forum which you want us to adhere to, this has to stop !
Quote from: Dom on July 21, 2020, 01:39:52 PM
Yet another example of Richard talking pure shite. Dare I ask, again, how has he been let back on this forum?
No idea but it is him as he has joined Stu's website under the Alias WyreForestShuttle and finish a post saying regards Richard...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 21, 2020, 03:05:34 PM
No idea but it is him as he has joined Stu's website under the Alias WyreForestShuttle and finish a post saying regards Richard...
Not only that, but he has dropped numerous hints that coincide with old Richard.
Forum rule 13???
Quote from: Pat on July 21, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
Not only that, but he has dropped numerous hints that coincide with old Richard.
Forum rule 13???
i don't think he's trying to hide the fact he's Richard anymore
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peril with what I found out from The Buses Minister yesterday over support for the bus industry from October and this is is far more important than personal thoughts about members of the forum such as myself who uses buses and operators 364 days a week & only comments about my personal use of The West Midlands County bus network even throughout the Covid-19 lockdown when no one was able to support our operators I continued to use the bus for essential hospital treatment & I thank the operators from the bottom of my heart to maintaing a vital bus service for those of us who needed to use it in lockdown & whatever you think of me at least I have found out where the operators stand from October and you can put your views to The Chancellor direct:
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peril with what I found out from The Buses Minister yesterday over support for the bus industry from October and this is is far more important than personal thoughts about members of the forum such as myself who uses buses and operators 364 days a week & only comments about my personal use of The West Midlands County bus network even throughout the Covid-19 lockdown when no one was able to support our operators I continued to use the bus for essential hospital treatment & I thank the operators from the bottom of my heart to maintaing a vital bus service for those of us who needed to use it in lockdown & whatever you think of me at least I have found out where the operators stand from October and you can put your views to The Chancellor direct:
Rishi Sunak current Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a spending review across all departments including the DfT. From a virtual meeting I had with the Minister for Buses, Baroness Vere of Norburton yesterday she seemed to indicate financial support post Covid-19for the bus industry would end in October 2020. If you have any comments to make to The Chancellor in regard for continuing financial support for the bus industry post his autumn statement please email your comments to:
public.enquiries@hmtreasury.gov.uk
but for your comment to be considered please make sure you include your full name and address with your comment. The bus industry needs continued financial support & The Treasury needs to know this is vital for the future of the bus industry in England.
I would like to remind you we don't have unlimited finances to support everyone and everything.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 21, 2020, 04:44:31 PM
I would like to remind you we don't have unlimited finances to support everyone and everything.
If the The Treasury can find the funds to repaint an RAF transporter plane from its standard grey livery into a Union jack livery to transport the Prime Minister at a cost of £1m during the pandemic we have more than enough funds in the current PSBR borrowing requirements to fund the bus industry from October 2020
@Trident 4194 The current borrowing requirement to support the bus industry is less than 18% of the amount that was required to support the banking industry in 2008.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 04:48:12 PM
If the The Treasury can find the funds to repaint an RAF transporter plane from its standard grey livery into a Union jack livery to transport the Prime Minister at a cost of £1m during the pandemic we have more than enough funds in the current PSBR borrowing requirements to fund the bus industry from October 2020 @Trident 4194 The current borrowing requirement to support the bus industry is less than 18% of the amount that was required to support the banking industry in 2008.
Oh there we go one of these how dare he paint a plane
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 21, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
Can I just remind everyone that the future of our hobby and industry could be in serious peril with what I found out from The Buses Minister yesterday...
And can I just remind everyone that this is the Birmingham Central garage thread, and I fail to see what recent replies about buses in Blackheath, Oldbury and Stratford as well as RAF planes have to do with this topic.
Depends if it's an airbus lol
Random question where are these x70 short journeys laying over , surely they will cause congestion laying over outside the BP? Do they park up near the motorway 28/71 stop maybe?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 31, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
Random question where are these x70 short journeys laying over , surely they will cause congestion laying over outside the BP? Do they park up near the motorway 28/71 stop maybe?
Hall Road possibly?
Most likely on the little service road just off Bradford road , that brings you back on to the island back towards brum
Noticed this evening while on 4779 on an outbound 94. A trident heading the otherway along Nechells Parkway and Jennens Road towards the City Centre on the 94 at about 17:15. Fleetnumber was 4442 I think.
Presumably BC now run a PM peak board on the 94. Does anyone know which journeys BC operate?
BC used to have an AM peak board, does this still run?
I also noticed today that some of the X1 destination displays seem to have changed recently. As they now display. LIMITED STOP via Airport. Whereas they used to display via Airport & NEC.
Most likely on the little service road just off Bradford road , that brings you back on to the island back towards brum
Yes have seen them parking there.This was the old BCT 56 terminus from way back.
When the x12 goes fully to BC next month , will it interwork with the X70 in Birmingham , and would the x12 branding be edited to include the X70
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 07, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
When the x12 goes fully to BC next month , will it interwork with the X70 in Birmingham , and would the x12 branding be edited to include the X70
I don't see the need for the X12 and X70 to interwork.
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 07, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
When the x12 goes fully to BC next month , will it interwork with the X70 in Birmingham , and would the x12 branding be edited to include the X70
I believe the X70 isn't technicallly a platinum route anymore was taken off the marketing map sometime ago.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 31, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
Random question where are these x70 short journeys laying over , surely they will cause congestion laying over outside the BP? Do they park up near the motorway 28/71 stop maybe?
I saw Pride Bus 4905 parked up at the 28/71 bus stop just up from the motorway island about 10:45 with X70 part route.
@monkeyjoe @broma1k. I assume that is where they layover unless it depends on the driver & where they are told to park
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 08, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
I saw Pride Bus 4905 parked up at the 28/71 bus stop just up from the motorway island about 10:45 with X70 part route. @monkeyjoe @broma1k. I assume that is where they layover unless it depends on the driver & where they are told to park
That makes more sense.
I saw a Crimson branded Trident on Damson Lane yesterday (11th). I've heard through the forum that the X12 is going to BC? Could this have been a BC trident doing route training or are my sums of 2+2 just not making 4?
Quote from: 966 on September 12, 2020, 07:50:06 PM
I saw a Crimson branded Trident on Damson Lane yesterday (11th). I've heard through the forum that the X12 is going to BC? Could this have been a BC trident doing route training or are my sums of 2+2 just not making 4?
BC Peak Working
Quote from: 966 on September 12, 2020, 07:50:06 PM
I saw a Crimson branded Trident on Damson Lane yesterday (11th). I've heard through the forum that the X12 is going to BC? Could this have been a BC trident doing route training or are my sums of 2+2 just not making 4?
It is going to Birmingham Central But there's been rumours that 7520-7528 are leaving Acocks Green and are for the X12.If that's the Case what is going to happen with 6701-6711
Quote from: bbs on September 13, 2020, 12:12:04 AM
It is going to Birmingham Central But there's been rumours that 7520-7528 are leaving Acocks Green and are for the X12.If that's the Case what is going to happen with 6701-6711
We can only speculate.
AG will need Platinums for the Stratford Road services (the 5 and whatever it may become in future). Around 10 at a guess.
Makes sense to send the newer examples to BC as they're not standard at AG (due to Drivetrain).
That'd mean debranding the 67** batch.
Again, we can only speculate.
Quote from: bbs on September 13, 2020, 12:12:04 AM
It is going to Birmingham Central But there's been rumours that 7520-7528 are leaving Acocks Green and are for the X12.If that's the Case what is going to happen with 6701-6711
Perhaps they'll be de-branded and used on the 5
Quote from: MW on September 13, 2020, 12:43:05 AM
We can only speculate.
AG will need Platinums for the Stratford Road services (the 5 and whatever it may become in future). Around 10 at a guess.
Makes sense to send the newer examples to BC as they're not standard at AG (due to Drivetrain).
That'd mean debranding the 67** batch.
Again, we can only speculate.
Its been confirmed that 7515-7528 and 7529-7533 are going to Birmingham Central.
Dissapointed as 7525-7528 were transfered in July.
Quote from: bbs on September 13, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
Its been confirmed that 7515-7528 and 7529-7533 are going to Birmingham Central.
Dissapointed as 7525-7528 were transfered in July.
To be honest every single AG driver I know doesn't like these Platinums, especially when compared to the 67** batch, so good riddance I guess. The stop start is presumably the downfall on these as a driver.
Quote from: bbs on September 13, 2020, 10:39:12 AM
Its been confirmed that 7515-7528 and 7529-7533 are going to Birmingham Central.
Dissapointed as 7525-7528 were transfered in July.
Confirmed where and by whom?
Tony has stated elsewhere that he has a meeting this Tuesday to finalise a vehicle movement plan.
Quote from: Stu on September 13, 2020, 03:39:33 PM
Confirmed where and by whom?
Tony has stated elsewhere that he has a meeting this Tuesday to finalise a vehicle movement plan.
I guess time will tell.
Noticed this morning empty double deckers running between Yardley Swan and Cranes Park on the 60, while the X2 was struggling with AM peak passengers into Solihull.
X1 Branded Platinum on the 07:56 X2 to Solihull Station arrived at Yardley Swan and left without picking passengers up, as it was displaying Bus Full already by that point
6845 on the 08:11 X2 to St Peters School arrived later on, which I got on and this had a full and standing load from Sheldon/Old Lode Lane into Solihull Town Centre (where most passengers departed). This one was also duplicated by 4906 which looked to have a full load of passengers as well, as the driver on 6845 was directing most passengers to get that one.
Also looked strange seeing 6845 and 4906 running past Solihull Swimming Baths on the X2 running up to St Peters School.
I wander if it would be an idea to decrease the frequency of the 60 to Cranes Park down to a more appropriate frequency for that section, every 20 minutes maybe. And then up to X2's frequency maybe up to every 10 or minutes. So that buses are being used where the passenger demand is.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2020, 10:55:02 AM
Noticed this morning empty double deckers running between Yardley Swan and Cranes Park on the 60, while the X2 was struggling with AM peak passengers into Solihull.
X1 Branded Platinum on the 07:56 X2 to Solihull Station arrived at Yardley Swan and left without picking passengers up, as it was displaying Bus Full already by that point
6845 on the 08:11 X2 to St Peters School arrived later on, which I got on and this had a full and standing load from Sheldon/Old Lode Lane into Solihull Town Centre (where most passengers departed). This one was also duplicated by 4906 which looked to have a full load of passengers as well, as the driver on 6845 was directing most passengers to get that one.
Also looked strange seeing 6845 and 4906 running past Solihull Swimming Baths on the X2 running up to St Peters School.
I wander if it would be an idea to decrease the frequency of the 60 to Cranes Park down to a more appropriate frequency for that section, every 20 minutes maybe. And then up to X2's frequency maybe up to every 10 or minutes. So that buses are being used where the passenger demand is.
Yes, not many people want to go to Cranes Park at 08:00, but the 60 will be carrying passengers towards city when it gets to Cranes Park
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2020, 10:55:02 AM
Noticed this morning empty double deckers running between Yardley Swan and Cranes Park on the 60, while the X2 was struggling with AM peak passengers into Solihull.
X1 Branded Platinum on the 07:56 X2 to Solihull Station arrived at Yardley Swan and left without picking passengers up, as it was displaying Bus Full already by that point
6845 on the 08:11 X2 to St Peters School arrived later on, which I got on and this had a full and standing load from Sheldon/Old Lode Lane into Solihull Town Centre (where most passengers departed). This one was also duplicated by 4906 which looked to have a full load of passengers as well, as the driver on 6845 was directing most passengers to get that one.
Also looked strange seeing 6845 and 4906 running past Solihull Swimming Baths on the X2 running up to St Peters School.
I wander if it would be an idea to decrease the frequency of the 60 to Cranes Park down to a more appropriate frequency for that section, every 20 minutes maybe. And then up to X2's frequency maybe up to every 10 or minutes. So that buses are being used where the passenger demand is.
Someone has mentioned this earlier. The Yardley shorts should be every day on the 60 not just in Sundays only.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 14, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Someone has mentioned this earlier. The Yardley shorts should be every day on the 60 not just in Sundays only.
Do you know the loadings beyond the Swan then?
Thought not!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2020, 05:18:56 PM
Do you know the loadings beyond the Swan then?
Thought not!
Can't imagine it will be that much considering people are asking for a frequency reduction.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 14, 2020, 05:53:29 PM
Can't imagine it will be that much considering people are asking for a frequency reduction.
No-one is asking for a service reduction apart from someone else on here who never uses it and saw an empty bus travelling in the opposite direction to where the flow of passengers will be in the morning peak. NX don't run services for the fun of it, they run them to make a profit in normal times. loss makers soon get adjusted
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2020, 05:58:46 PM
No-one is asking for a service reduction apart from someone else on here who never uses it and saw an empty bus travelling in the opposite direction to where the flow of passengers will be in the morning peak. NX don't run services for the fun of it, they run them to make a profit in normal times. loss makers soon get adjusted
I am a regular user of the 60 and I do notice that there's not many people that uses the 60 past the Swan.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 14, 2020, 06:00:33 PM
I am a regular user of the 60 and I do notice that there's not many people that uses the 60 past the Swan.
It's the same as any service that ends in an housing estate the numbers dwindle towards the outer end of the route, but it is well used as far as the Wheatsheaf.
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2020, 06:04:07 PM
It's the same as any service that ends in an housing estate the numbers dwindle towards the outer end of the route, but it is well used as far as the Wheatsheaf.
X1/X2 serve Swan to Wheatsheaf as well. I would of thought a higher frequency X1/X2 would still serve most passengers who use the 60 on the section between the Swan and the Wheatsheaf.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
X1/X2 serve Swan to Wheatsheaf as well. I would of thought a higher frequency X1/X2 would still serve most passengers who use the 60 on the section between the Swan and the Wheatsheaf.
And the X1/X2 has had a frequency increase on that section last week!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2020, 07:37:20 PM
And the X1/X2 has had a frequency increase on that section last week!
It did yes. But from what I saw this morning the X2's were still heavily overcrowded and the 07:56 left all the passengers waiting for it at the Swan behind (about 20) and by that point it had only got to the Swan, so would be like that all the way to Solihull I expect.
And I saw another one leave Solihull Town Centre this evening leave looking very busy at about 16:45.
So I think it would make sense to give the busy X2 a better frequency of maybe every 10 minutes to and lower the frequency of the 60 on an not very busy section of that service.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2020, 07:41:25 PM
It did yes. But from what I saw this morning the X2's were still heavily overcrowded and the 07:56 left all the passengers waiting for it at the Swan behind (about 20) and by that point it had only got to the Swan, so would be like that all the way to Solihull I expect.
And I saw another one leave Solihull Town Centre this evening leave looking very busy at about 16:45.
So I think it would make sense to give the busy X2 a better frequency of maybe every 10 minutes to and lower the frequency of the 60 on an not very busy section of that service.
I presume you are going to college, so of course you will see busy buses!
Any news of the transfers of 55 and X12 on the 4th any updates?
Quote from: Jack D on September 15, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
Any news of the transfers of 55 and X12 on the 4th any updates?
Yes, they're transferring!
And what buses their going to be using?
Quote from: Jack D on September 15, 2020, 07:00:18 PM
And what buses their going to be using?
Probably E400s and platinums respectively
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2020, 07:04:08 PM
Probably E400s and platinums respectively
Will be nice to see the E400 on the 55.
What route will the Omnilinks from the 55 likely move onto?
Quote from: 2206 on September 15, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
Will be nice to see the E400 on the 55.
What route will the Omnilinks from the 55 likely move onto?
They will Probably go to Acocks Green Or Perry Barr.
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2020, 07:04:08 PM
Probably E400s and platinums respectively
I still don't understand why 7515-7528 are leaving instead of 6701-6711.7515-7528 came together In July and their already leaving again.Sane situation that happened regarding 6101-6110
Quote from: bbs on September 16, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
I still don't understand why 7515-7528 are leaving instead of 6701-6711.7515-7528 came together In July and their already leaving again.Sane situation that happened regarding 6101-6110
Because I plan moves based on the best information I have on what is needed for operational requirements at the time of each cascade, but a lot has changed in the last 6 months
Quote from: bbs on September 16, 2020, 11:46:18 AM
I still don't understand why 7515-7528 are leaving instead of 6701-6711.7515-7528 came together In July and their already leaving again.Sane situation that happened regarding 6101-6110
4760 is at WB. Whilst 4753-4759/4761-4762 are at PE.
6104 & 6108 are at WB. Whilst 6101-6103/6105-6107/6109-6114 are at PE.
???
But as Tony said, a lot has changed this year
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 16, 2020, 01:48:29 PM
4760 is at WB. Whilst 4753-4759/4761-4762 are at PE.
6104 & 6108 are at WB. Whilst 6101-6103/6105-6107/6109-6114 are at PE.
???
But as Tony said, a lot has changed this year
It was waste of time to send 6101-6110 to AG.4687-4696 Could have stayed.
I'm not sure if the intergrating of students into University of Birmingham has been put on hold with the City's current restrictions, but are there any plans for extra Birmingham - University shorts once they're back? As, if the passenger levels get back to how they were social distancing on the X20/X21/X22 will be difficult.
Quote from: bbs on September 16, 2020, 02:16:08 PM
It was waste of time to send 6101-6110 to AG.4687-4696 Could have stayed.
I love how everyone can do my job better than me without actually having any information on what is going on
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2020, 03:45:25 PM
I love how everyone can do my job better than me without actually having any information on what is going on
I never actually said that?
I was merely pointing out odd buses at different garages
Quote from: bbs on September 16, 2020, 02:16:08 PM
It was waste of time to send 6101-6110 to AG.4687-4696 Could have stayed.
How could they have stayed?
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 16, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I never actually said that?
I was merely pointing out odd buses at different garages
I know you didn't, the quote I used wasn't from you
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 16, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
I'm not sure if the intergrating of students into University of Birmingham has been put on hold with the City's current restrictions, but are there any plans for extra Birmingham - University shorts once they're back? As, if the passenger levels get back to how they were social distancing on the X20/X21/X22 will be difficult.
As a regular user of buses at peak time, I think every route needs more buses and not once since I went back to work 2 weeks ago have I been able to socially distance so good luck with that!
Quote from: bususer28 on September 16, 2020, 05:57:52 PM
As a regular user of buses at peak time, I think every route needs more buses and not once since I went back to work 2 weeks ago have I been able to socially distance so good luck with that!
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 16, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
I'm not sure if the intergrating of students into University of Birmingham has been put on hold with the City's current restrictions, but are there any plans for extra Birmingham - University shorts once they're back? As, if the passenger levels get back to how they were social distancing on the X20/X21/X22 will be difficult.
The main problem is where do more buses come from, also where do more drivers come from and more capacity at garage level, it's near impossible
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 16, 2020, 06:54:41 PM
The main problem is where do more buses come from, also where do more drivers come from and more capacity at garage level, it's near impossible
Yes, despite 29 new electrics going into service since lockdown only two buses have been withdrawn, the paint programme and trap fitting programme have both been slowed to create more service buses, and nearly all long term dead buses are now up and running again
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2020, 06:56:49 PM
Yes, despite 29 new electrics going into service since lockdown only two buses have been withdrawn, the paint programme and trap fitting programme have both been slowed to create more service buses, and nearly all long term dead buses are now up and running again
Would there be any chance of any withdrawn 42XX B7TL/43XX Tridents returning to service?
Or would none of them be suitable?
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2020, 07:00:42 PM
Would there be any chance of any withdrawn 42XX B7TL/43XX Tridents returning to service?
Or would none of them be suitable?
Biggest problem is MoT slots, because of the 3 month extensions issued when DVLA stopped MoTs all buses that normally expire in both June and September have got to be MoT'd in September, and DVLA haven't got enough slots for them let alone any extras
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2020, 07:00:42 PM
Would there be any chance of any withdrawn 42XX B7TL/43XX Tridents returning to service?
Or would none of them be suitable?
What about all the 'spare' single deckers? When the BY ones transfer out and the 55 going Decker they'll be more spare vehicles?
Quote from: Jack on September 16, 2020, 07:54:19 PM
What about all the 'spare' single deckers? When the BY ones transfer out and the 55 going Decker they'll be more spare vehicles?
They might not be becoming spare though? Double Deckers have to come from somewhere surely, so that could suggest a route somewhere will be converted to single deckers? 1/1A maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
They might not be becomming spare though? Double Deckers have to come from somewhere surely, so that could suggest a route somewhere will be converted to single deckers?
That would be my guess too.
Quote from: Jack on September 16, 2020, 07:54:19 PM
What about all the 'spare' single deckers? When the BY ones transfer out and the 55 going Decker they'll be more spare vehicles?
There's no service reductions so obviously no spare buses!
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2020, 08:07:11 PM
There's no service reductions so obviously no spare buses!
If I may interject here, what I think is being meant is that if the 55 is to become double-deck operated once transferred to BC, those double-decks will have to come off some other route.
I don't know how many vehicles the 55 needs, but presumably there is no 'surplus' of double-deck vehicles, so those BY OmniLinks will have to be utilised elsewhere, and some other route could end up losing double-decks as a result.
I'm sure you have a plan to take all things into consideration, and I will be interested to see how this all pans out.
I have absolutely no knowledge of how services are used in Dundee but is it a possibility some double decker in particular the 06 regs could move back to the West Midlands?
Quote from: bususer28 on September 16, 2020, 09:33:07 PM
I have absolutely no knowledge of how services are used in Dundee but is it a possibility some double decker in particular the 06 regs could move back to the West Midlands?
Don't you think if they could spare double decks they would have withdrawn their 2004 Geminis before the 2007 B7RLEs
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2020, 07:57:43 PM
They might not be becoming spare though? Double Deckers have to come from somewhere surely, so that could suggest a route somewhere will be converted to single deckers? 1/1A maybe?
Doubt that,1,1A always has Geminis and Geminis are still staying at AG aren't they.So they probably won't change the 1/1A Allocation till Geminis are reduced or etc
Quote from: bbs on September 17, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Doubt that,1,1A always has Geminis and Geminis are still staying at AG aren't they.So they probably won't change the 1/1A Allocation till Geminis are reduced or etc
Could the 72 with a slight freq increase be a contender and others being used on the 73. Understand all just speculation, but procrastinating whilst preparing for a meeting.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 17, 2020, 07:53:26 AM
Could the 72 with a slight freq increase be a contender and others being used on the 73. Understand all just speculation, but procrastinating whilst preparing for a meeting.
73 is already single decker E200 MMC operated I think.
As whenever i've seen it recently its been an E200 MMC.
Also does the training fleet need double decker vehicles 4697/4698? Or could those be returned to service and swapped for some 17XX B7RLE?
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 08:21:35 AM
73 is already single decker E200 MMC operated I think.
As whenever i've seen it recently its been an E200 MMC.
Also does the training fleet need double decker vehicles 4697/4698? Or could those be returned to service and swapped for some 17XX B7RLE?
That would be a hell of a lot of work! Remember it's not just a paint job and L plates fitted they've had. There's the instructors seat and dual controls. Raised flooring etc
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 08:21:35 AM
73 is already single decker E200 MMC operated I think.
As whenever i've seen it recently its been an E200 MMC.
Also does the training fleet need double decker vehicles 4697/4698? Or could those be returned to service and swapped for some 17XX B7RLE?
4698 is euro 3. Would it not have to be trapped. The B7RLE are only 12 years old, lots of life left in them
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 17, 2020, 10:44:26 AM
4698 is euro 3. Would it not have to be trapped. The B7RLE are only 12 years old, lots of life left in them
Probably not as 4295, 4301, 4508 - 4523, etc aren't trapped. They could be used on routes that don't need Euro 4+ vehicles, such as AG 11A/11C/1/1A, PN 6, WA 6, etc.
I think those B7RLE are euro 3 as well.
1750, etc are 14 years old, so only 1 year less than 4697/4698. Main sites says new November 2006.
4523 has been trapped as it's got an Ad blue flap.
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 11:44:47 AM
Probably not as 4295, 4301, 4508 - 4523, etc aren't trapped. They could be used on routes that don't need Euro 4+ vehicles, such as AG 11A/11C/1/1A, PN 6, WA 6, etc.
I think those B7RLE are euro 3 as well.
1750, etc are 14 years old, so only 1 year less than 4697/4698. Main sites says new November 2006.
They are always on 73 and 5
Quote from: bbs on September 17, 2020, 01:58:49 PM
They are always on 73 and 5
What are always on the 5 and 73?
If you mean 4295 and 4301, I see them on the the 11 and 1/1A. 4295 was on the 11A the other day I think (might have bene Tuesday).
Keep the 55 single decker and run it non-stop between the City Centre and Hunters' Moon. That'll alleviate the crowding.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 17, 2020, 04:01:14 PM
Keep the 55 single decker and run it non-stop between the City Centre and Hunters' Moon. That'll alleviate the crowding.
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
Would miss out all the passengers on the Washwood Heath Road and would cause crowding on the 94's, so wouldn't solve anything and you would basically be just moving the problem to another route. And would completly cut Fox & Goose - Bucklands End, etc link and when I wait for it there people do alight there from that direction. As well as cutting connections with the Outer Circle.
Presumably NX have some double decker E400 which will go on there now, which I would expect will alleviate crowding on that route.
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 04:10:17 PM
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
Would miss out all the passengers on the Washwood Heath Road and would cause crowding on the 94's, so wouldn't solve anything and you would basically be just moving the problem to another route. And would completly cut Fox & Goose - Bucklands End, etc link and when I wait for it there people do alight there from that direction. As well as cutting connections with the Outer Circle.
Presumably NX have some double decker E400 which will go on there now, which I would expect will alleviate crowding on that route.
BC will hopefully be 100% DD from October, so the 55 will be guaranteed double decks
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
BC will hopefully be 100% DD from October, so the 55 will be guaranteed double decks
One of the Facebook bus sites (can't remember which) stated a while back that the omnilinks are going on to the 65 and 67, I hope this is wrong!
Quote from: ellspurs on September 17, 2020, 04:01:14 PM
Keep the 55 single decker and run it non-stop between the City Centre and Hunters' Moon. That'll alleviate the crowding.
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 04:10:17 PM
Doesn't sound like a good idea.
Would miss out all the passengers on the Washwood Heath Road and would cause crowding on the 94's, so wouldn't solve anything and you would basically be just moving the problem to another route. And would completly cut Fox & Goose - Bucklands End, etc link and when I wait for it there people do alight there from that direction. As well as cutting connections with the Outer Circle.
Presumably NX have some double decker E400 which will go on there now, which I would expect will alleviate crowding on that route.
Huh? A few days ago you were suggesting a new 'X55' service along the same lines and thought it was a great idea?
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Huh? A few days ago you were suggesting a new 'X55' service along the same lines and thought it was a great idea?
The one I proposed doesn't stop by where 2206 would want to catch it.
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Huh? A few days ago you were suggesting a new 'X55' service along the same lines and thought it was a great idea?
Quote from: ellspurs on September 17, 2020, 08:06:03 PM
The one I proposed doesn't stop by where 2206 would want to catch it.
My idea was Coleshill Road and Bromford Lane and then non stop from where it would meet the X12/X70, so wouldn't cut links and also its connection with the Outer Circle. And then a frequency increase on the 94 on the remainder of the route along the Washwood Heath Road to fill in the gaps and maintain the high frequency. As at the time I think it was also mentioned about low trees on Kendrick Avenue preventing the 55 from going double decker.
But that was before it was confirmed that the 55 should be 100% double decker from October.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 17, 2020, 04:57:14 PM
One of the Facebook bus sites (can't remember which) stated a while back that the omnilinks are going on to the 65 and 67, I hope this is wrong!
That wont work, 67 gets too busy, especially around factory/warehouse shift starts/finish, 65 you could get away with single deckers but that would cause issues as they inter work on Saturdays
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2020, 10:55:02 AM
6845 on the 08:11 X2 to St Peters School arrived later on, which I got on and this had a full and standing load from Sheldon/Old Lode Lane into Solihull Town Centre (where most passengers departed). This one was also duplicated by 4906 which looked to have a full load of passengers as well, as the driver on 6845 was directing most passengers to get that one.
Was waiting for the same X2 departure today and 2153 arrived.
Strangely the driver was shouting "school only" at passengers for some reason. Though last week 4906 on the same duplicate was clearly operating a public service and picking up members of the public.
Not only that but he had the public service display up "X2 Solihull then St Peters" like 6830. Was this not supposed to be duplicating 6830 which was behind on the public service?
There does seem to be an earlier departure shown as Schools Only, which runs as an X2S about half an hour earlier on the timetable at 07:43. But doesn't seem to be one at 08:11.
Otherwise if he is correct surely this departure should be showing X2S on the destination display as well?
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/V2/BX1X26September20.pdf
Not all of these short X70's are parking out of the way on the Newport Rd / Coleshill Rd stop, caused a right nusiance when i was trying to get my car out the BP earlier
Quick question.Since 7524 has crashed and was meant to go to Birmingham Central in 2 weeks time,Has it been transferred now and getting repaired there?
Trees are starting to be cut on Kenrick Avenue today.
Just seen a 63 displaying Rubery via Bristol Road instead of part route so I'm guessing timetabled. Bit of nostalgia nonetheless.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 25, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
Just seen a 63 displaying Rubery via Bristol Road instead of part route so I'm guessing timetabled. Bit of nostalgia nonetheless.
I've been seeing that recently with other routes too.The 4 says Acocks Green via Warwick road.It normally is a part route.
I've seen some WN routes with the same thing
1 Wolverhampton via Tettenhall
15 Kingswinford via Wombourne
15 Spring Hill via Bradmore
16 Wombourne via Blakenhall
16 Kingswinford via Wombounre
Also notice the X20/X21/X22 branded buses have finally been altered to say every 6 mins. Well, 6884/8 have anyway.
BC driver route learning on 55 today
Spoke to a BY driver on 55 who said is transferring to BC with 55 that 55 may be diverted from Sunday as trees have not been cut yet any confirmation of this?
Quote from: Jack D on September 23, 2020, 02:07:59 PM
Trees are starting to be cut on Kenrick Avenue today.
Quote from: mesub on October 01, 2020, 08:25:45 PM
There were still a couple hitting a test bus yesterday, which have been requested to be cut back, so a diversion is still possible
Ah alright
Much be a lot of time pressure
55 seems to be fully E400 today. Think 4899, 4905, 4939 and possibly 4880 are the ones I can remember seeing. Caught 4899 on there this afternoon.
94 also had 6823 and 09 Plate E400 and Gemini. So fully double decker on the 55/94 today.
Would be nice to see some joint 55/94 branding on the ex 16 09 plates and some of the BC E400 I think
Also saw 6827 and 6892 on the X12. Seems strange seeing BC Platinums there.
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2020, 05:24:56 PM
55 seems to be fully E400 today. Think 4899, 4905, 4939 and possibly 4880 are the ones I can remember seeing. Caught 4899 on there this afternoon.
94 also had 6823 and 09 Plate E400 and Gemini. So fully double decker on the 55/94 today.
Would be nice to see some joint 55/94 branding on the ex 16 09 plates and some of the BC E400 I think
Also saw 6827 and 6892 on the X12. Seems strange seeing BC Platinums there.
Joint branding for the 55 and 94 would be difficult as they're operated by different garages
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 04, 2020, 06:04:08 PM
Joint branding for the 55 and 94 would be difficult as they're operated by different garages
I'd have thought they could just brand 2 different batches of buses at the different garages?
"55/94 City Centre - Washwood Heath - Ward End - Chelmsley every 4 minutes
55 via Shard End & Kingshurst 94 via Castle Brom".
Quote from: bbs on October 04, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
6880 - 60 3/10/20
@bbs platinums on the 60 are not noteworthy.
Seen about 5 tridents on the 55 at fox and goose 3 running together
55 is changing permanently apparently not going Kendrick Avenue so will 58 change?
Quote from: Jack D on October 06, 2020, 07:02:58 PM
55 is changing permanently apparently not going Kendrick Avenue so will 58 change?
Who's told you that?
One of the drivers, the trees cannot be cut apparently
Do the x12 and x70 inter work now
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/BX12X704October20.pdf
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 06, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
Do the x12 and x70 inter work now
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/BX12X704October20.pdf
Yes I think so but don't take my word for it
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 06, 2020, 09:08:13 PM
Do the x12 and x70 inter work now
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/BX12X704October20.pdf
Looking at the timetable, it doesn't seem like they do.
The X12 arrives into Birmingham at 15, 35, 55 and leaves at 00, 20, 40, likewise, the X70 arrives into B'ham at 05, 25, 45 and leaves at 10, 30, 50.
The same pattern seems to occur in the evenings and on Sundays too, arriving at *5, and leaving at *0, self contained.
I could be wrong though
As far as I'm aware the 60 x12 & x70 are on the same rota but I have seen no sign of vehicles interworking
Quote from: Steveminor on October 07, 2020, 08:06:53 PM
As far as I'm aware the 60 x12 & x70 are on the same rota but I have seen no sign of vehicles interworking
from as far as I've seen the x70 has been fully platinum but not sure as I've only seen 2 or 3 buses a day on X70
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 07, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
from as far as I've seen the x70 has been fully platinum but not sure as I've only seen 2 or 3 buses a day on X70
Don't see it very often, but think I saw a red and white E400 on there yesterday when getting off the 94. So has seen at least that 1 non - platinum bus, if I remember correctly.
Will the current 75** that have price branding on be rebranded into joint branding of X12 and X70
I think the answer to that is until things go back to normal and NXbus can access real demand they will be left as is.
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 08, 2020, 07:33:37 AM
Will the current 75** that have price branding on be rebranded into joint branding of X12 and X70
Why would you rebrand ones with price advertising when there are plenty of plain ones at the same garage?
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Why would you rebrand ones with price advertising when there are plenty of plain ones at the same garage?
arent the plain ones fitted with tacho graphs
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 08, 2020, 04:39:04 PM
arent the plain ones fitted with tacho graphs
7505 has a tachograph, despite being branded
Some (or all) of the '68 batch at BC have tachographs.
Quote from: mesub on October 08, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
Some (or all) of the '68 batch at BC have tachographs.
There are no 68xx with Tachographs
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 08, 2020, 04:39:04 PM
arent the plain ones fitted with tacho graphs
Not all the 75XX have price branding. 7528 and 7529 don't as I've seen those on the University routes over the last few days.
Looking at the main site it looks like 7523 upwards are all unbranded. Do all of them have tachographs?
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
There are no 68xx with Tachographs
Think they mean 68 reg 6945 - 6950.
Disappointingly it seems that a stop has been added between George Road and Granville St for the X20/X21/X22 where the 98 and X64 used to stop (though not updated on the announcements). Can't see the point of this unless the 'temporary' stop on George Road is going.
07:56 X2 from Yardley Swan to Solihull never operated this morning for some reason?
4 platinums on the 55 today. So looks like these are going to be normal on there. As they are on there every day now.
6856, 7520, 7523 and 7526.
Birmingham City Centre is also at a standstill today.
Priory Queensway/Old Square/Moor Street/Bull Street/Jennens Road. All completly blocked up and at a standstill. Not seen it that bad before.
4, 6, 50, 97, Sutton routes, etc. are all using Priory Queensway.
Anyone boarding the 55/94 services out of City Centre today, would be advised to board the service on Jennens Road outside Matthew Boulton College I think.
Quote from: 2206 on October 12, 2020, 11:12:47 AM
Birmingham City Centre is also at a standstill today.
Priory Queensway/Old Square/Moor Street/Bull Street/Jennens Road. All completly blocked up and at a standstill. Not seen it that bad before.
4, 6, 50, 97, Sutton routes, etc. are all using Priory Queensway.
Anyone boarding the 55/94 services out of City Centre today, would be advised to board the service on Jennens Road outside Matthew Boulton College I think.
I wonder why this happened today.
Quote from: bbs on October 12, 2020, 10:55:09 PM
I wonder why this happened today.
Faulty traffic lights at the Moor Street/Jennens Road junction.
Quote from: Pat on October 13, 2020, 06:35:11 AM
Faulty traffic lights at the Moor Street/Jennens Road junction.
And an incident closing the Queensway tunnel putting extra traffic that way
Hope the Selly oak / bristol rd driver is ok
Quote from: Pat on October 13, 2020, 06:35:11 AM
Faulty traffic lights at the Moor Street/Jennens Road junction.
I suspect they were like that on Friday too.
Must admit it was weird to hear '63 to Frankley' earlier on 6840 (though even weirder to hear "Northfield Baths" as it's not been called that in some time).
Got me thinking though what's stopping the Hybrids from doing these announcements too as it seems like a waste. Is it that they've not been used in some time and would cost money to sort out?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 16, 2020, 06:19:25 PM
Must admit it was weird to hear '63 to Frankley' earlier on 6840 (though even weirder to hear "Northfield Baths" as it's not been called that in some time).
Got me thinking though what's stopping the Hybrids from doing these announcements too as it seems like a waste. Is it that they've not been used in some time and would cost money to sort out?
They have an out of date system that is difficult to update
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
They have an out of date system that is difficult to update
What about the Walsall Omnilinks for the 4 services?
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
They have an out of date system that is difficult to update
Ah, I see. That's a real shame to be honest, I love the Hybrid Geminis.
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
They have an out of date system that is difficult to update
Any idea what system? HANCIS?
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2020, 06:27:20 PM
They have an out of date system that is difficult to update
Now it makes sense why the (ex)E400Hs could utilise them. It's a shame really that the hybrids can't. Is it not feasible to convert the system to an easier one?
Will the X20 & X21 be rerouted to serve Harborne Lane in both directions once it becomes a two way system soon? Makes sense as they don't serve the Bristol Road, Chapel Lane stop anyway.
Do X2 and X12 inter work on a Sunday?
Quote from: Jack D on October 25, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Do X2 and X12 inter work on a Sunday?
I went on the X2 today i mostly seen X1 brandeds and X2 branded on it.X12 i only seen a 75**.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 19, 2020, 07:38:53 AM
Will the X20 & X21 be rerouted to serve Harborne Lane in both directions once it becomes a two way system soon? Makes sense as they don't serve the Bristol Road, Chapel Lane stop anyway.
I've seen the X20/X21 and the 11 using the new road this morning so it looks like Chapel Lane may no longer be served. Didn't see a 48 but reasonable to assume it'll follow the 11?
Quote from: SO6597 on October 26, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
I've seen the X20/X21 and the 11 using the new road this morning so it looks like Chapel Lane may no longer be served. Didn't see a 48 but reasonable to assume it'll follow the 11?
Thank God for that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 26, 2020, 05:08:15 PM
Thank God for that.
What exactly have they done in selly oak? Haven't been to uni in about 9 months now
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2020, 07:25:41 PM
What exactly have they done in selly oak? Haven't been to uni in about 9 months now
Harborne Lane is now a two way carriageway. Chapel Lane will also be converted from one way by the end of November but downgraded in terms of usage, it will only serve Battery Park and the proposed apartment complex on the old Sainsbury's site.
Quote from: SO6597 on October 26, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
I've seen the X20/X21 and the 11 using the new road this morning so it looks like Chapel Lane may no longer be served. Didn't see a 48 but reasonable to assume it'll follow the 11?
FINALLY! I guess interchanging with the 61 and 63 will be trickier now but hopefully it will speed up journey times.
Disappointingly it looks like it's only a temporary diversion.
Saw an X12 come into City Centre via James Watt Queensway earlier with passengers. Not seen one come into City Centre via Aston Expressway before. Only going that way outbound.
Was a 694X. Maybe 6949.
Quote from: 2206 on October 28, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Saw an X12 come into City Centre via James Watt Queensway earlier with passengers. Not seen one come into City Centre via Aston Expressway before. Only going that way outbound.
Was a 694X. Maybe 6949.
6827 is doing that now on an X12 instead of the Spine Road. Makes quite a nice change.
Quote from: Jack on October 28, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
6827 is doing that now on an X12 instead of the Spine Road. Makes quite a nice change.
Loads of X12 / X70 use the Aston expressway into town now since the changes
Quote from: 2206 on October 28, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Saw an X12 come into City Centre via James Watt Queensway earlier with passengers. Not seen one come into City Centre via Aston Expressway before. Only going that way outbound.
Was a 694X. Maybe 6949.
;D The first couple of times I 'tried out' the X12 / X70 when they started, they went via Aston Expressway (I was hoping for a trip along Heartlands Parkway as I'd never travelled along there before!)
It will depend on the day, time of day, and traffic levels as to which way they'll be routed.
Is the 55 back to normal route I don't see the notice on the site now.
Quote from: Stu on October 28, 2020, 06:36:36 PM
;D The first couple of times I 'tried out' the X12 / X70 when they started, they went via Aston Expressway (I was hoping for a trip along Heartlands Parkway as I'd never travelled along there before!)
It will depend on the day, time of day, and traffic levels as to which way they'll be routed.
When you used it was that towards Solihull (via Corporation Street) or towards City Centre (via James Watt Queensway)? Or both?
Quote from: Stu on October 28, 2020, 06:36:36 PM
;D The first couple of times I 'tried out' the X12 / X70 when they started, they went via Aston Expressway (I was hoping for a trip along Heartlands Parkway as I'd never travelled along there before!)
It will depend on the day, time of day, and traffic levels as to which way they'll be routed.
And the driver. Unless told otherwise the driver has a free choice between the Expessway and Heartlands Parkway
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
And the driver. Unless told otherwise the driver has a free choice between the Expessway and Heartlands Parkway
also kids off school so less traffic on the road moms on school runs
Quote from: 2206 on October 28, 2020, 07:03:07 PM
When you used it was that towards Solihull (via Corporation Street) or towards City Centre (via James Watt Queensway)? Or both?
It was a couple of years ago now, I can't be expected to remember exactly! There was at least one inbound journey that went via Aston Expressway.
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
And the driver. Unless told otherwise the driver has a free choice between the Expessway and Heartlands Parkway
Ah, I didn't know that, I thought perhaps the drivers were given instructions on which way to go, as the control office would have a better insight as to traffic conditions.
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
And the driver. Unless told otherwise the driver has a free choice between the Expessway and Heartlands Parkway
Is the third choice of Washwood Heath Road only used when instructed to? If the other two are too heavy with traffic? Haven't seen one for quite a while but an X12 or X70 seen on Washwood Heath wasn't that uncommon.
Quote from: Gareth on October 28, 2020, 08:48:36 PM
Is the third choice of Washwood Heath Road only used when instructed to? If the other two are too heavy with traffic? Haven't seen one for quite a while but an X12 or X70 seen on Washwood Heath wasn't that uncommon.
I saw one on Drews Lane a month or maybe a bit longer ago, would have been at some point in September or October. Was a red and white 49XX E400 I remember, so think that routes still used. I would assume so as mostly seemed to be used at peak times from what I saw, when traffics heavier.
Quote from: Stu on October 28, 2020, 08:39:01 PM
It was a couple of years ago now, I can't be expected to remember exactly! There was at least one inbound journey that went via Aston Expressway.
Ah, I didn't know that, I thought perhaps the drivers were given instructions on which way to go, as the control office would have a better insight as to traffic conditions.
Control only give instruction to avoid a road if it is congested, otherwise it is drivers chouce
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 28, 2020, 06:41:30 PM
Is the 55 back to normal route I don't see the notice on the site now.
Is it back to its normal route now ?
Seems that the announcements don't work on any of the 753*s.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 30, 2020, 08:13:54 AM
Seems that the announcements don't work on any of the 753*s.
Have the announcements worked on the X12 since transferring? I rode 6827 on it the other day and no working announcements but I'm pretty sure some of the others have? They are probably just taking time updating the system.
Quote from: Jack on October 30, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
Have the announcements worked on the X12 since transferring? I rode 6827 on it the other day and no working announcements but I'm pretty sure some of the others have? They are probably just taking time updating the system.
From what I've noticed the 75 series have the next stop annocements , also will the X70 gain next stop announcements
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 30, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
From what I've noticed the 75 series have the next stop annocements , also will the X70 gain next stop announcements
Some of the 75** have announcements for the other BC route, I saw 7526 on the 23 recently with the announcements and displays working.
Quote from: Jack on October 30, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
Have the announcements worked on the X12 since transferring? I rode 6827 on it the other day and no working announcements but I'm pretty sure some of the others have? They are probably just taking time updating the system.
I can't say, I haven't used the X12.
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 30, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
From what I've noticed the 75 series have the next stop annocements , also will the X70 gain next stop announcements
Yeah some are fine, the ones I've noticed that aren't working have been 7530/32/33.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 30, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
Yeah some are fine, the ones I've noticed that aren't working have been 7530/32/33.
so how come you said earlier
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 30, 2020, 08:13:54 AM
Seems that the announcements don't work on any of the 753*s.
That was a quick change of mind
6826 has working X12 announcements, so non 75** do have them just not all been updated.
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2020, 01:43:56 PM
so how come you said earlier
That was a quick change of mind
I haven't changed my mind at all, I said it seems that they're not working on any of the 753* buses, which is based on the 3 I mentioned in the following post...
4442 attacked this evening on 55 by youths on washwood heath road, smashed the windscreen and the left hand side mirror. Bus had to be taken out of service.
Quote from: Jack D on November 02, 2020, 06:58:49 PM
4442 attacked this evening on 55 by youths on washwood heath road, smashed the windscreen and the left hand side mirror. Bus had to be taken out of service.
Well i guess theres 1 reason why omnilinks should have stayed on the 55.
Quote from: bbs on November 03, 2020, 05:01:29 PM
Well i guess theres 1 reason why omnilinks should have stayed on the 55.
How exactly? Would have happened whatever bus it was
Quote from: bbs on November 03, 2020, 05:01:29 PM
Well i guess theres 1 reason why omnilinks should have stayed on the 55.
So Omnilinks don't have windscreens or mirrors?
It actually costs more to replace a Scania windscreen than a trident one
Either way, being it happened on Washwood Heath Road meant that it could've happened to a 94 instead.
The idiots just wanted to smash something up and that 55 just happened to be the target.
Quote from: bbs on November 03, 2020, 05:01:29 PM
Well i guess theres 1 reason why omnilinks should have stayed on the 55.
I've been on 3 Omnilinks on the 55 that had windows smashed.
Quote from: bbs on November 03, 2020, 05:01:29 PM
Well i guess theres 1 reason why omnilinks should have stayed on the 55.
All the 55/94's I passed between City Centre and Ward End were all displaying "Bus Full" or had full loads as well this evening while I was on 4445 going the other way towards City Centre. Also saw 2 X12's also displaying "Bus Full". That was about 16:30 this evening.
Even the claribels bus was displaying "Bus Full Sorry", and had a full load from what I could tell. It alternates between that and another display, not sure what that one says.
There were also large crowds of passengers waiting at Priory Queensway and also Saltley Gate (towards Ward End stop)
The Tridents/E400 are much nicer buses in my opinion than the Scanias we had on here previously. And they have much more room on them and extra capacity.
Otherwise there'd probably be loads of passengers left behind plus very overcrowded Scanias instead.
The Scania single deckers aren't really suitable at all on such a busy route.
Quote from: 2206 on November 03, 2020, 06:32:43 PM
All the 55/94's I passed between City Centre and Ward End were all displaying "Bus Full" or had full loads as well this evening while I was on 4445 going the other way towards City Centre. Also saw 2 X12's also displaying "Bus Full". That was about 16:30 this evening.
Even the claribels bus was displaying "Bus Full Sorry", and had a full load from what I could tell. It alternates between that and another display, not sure what that one says.
There were also large crowds of passengers waiting at Priory Queensway and also Saltley Gate (towards Ward End stop)
The Tridents/E400 are much nicer buses in my opinion than the Scanias we had on here previously. And they have much more room on them and extra capacity.
Otherwise there'd probably be loads of very overcrowded Scanias instead.
So glad i don't live on that corridor any more and just when i leave seems Castle Brom has had investment in the form of additional x70's so fair play to NXbus.
Quote from: 2206 on November 03, 2020, 06:32:43 PM
All the 55/94's I passed between City Centre and Ward End were all displaying "Bus Full" or had full loads as well this evening while I was on 4445 going the other way towards City Centre. Also saw 2 X12's also displaying "Bus Full". That was about 16:30 this evening.
Even the claribels bus was displaying "Bus Full Sorry", and had a full load from what I could tell. It alternates between that and another display, not sure what that one says.
There were also large crowds of passengers waiting at Priory Queensway and also Saltley Gate (towards Ward End stop)
The Tridents/E400 are much nicer buses in my opinion than the Scanias we had on here previously. And they have much more room on them and extra capacity.
Otherwise there'd probably be loads of passengers left behind plus very overcrowded Scanias instead.
The Scania single deckers aren't really suitable at all on such a busy route.
A full Claribels bus very odd.
Quote from: bbs on November 03, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
A full Claribels bus very odd.
Not at all odd. Maybe since Covid entered our lives, but the claribels 94 was regularly full in peaks.
And they'll be full now because all the thick people are out panic buying.
Quote from: Gareth on November 03, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
Not at all odd.
I'm certain I saw one leave City Centre with a quite a few passengers on and would probably have been nearly full a few weeks ago in the evening peak.
Claribels has been running the 94 route for over 25 years now. The only people that'd think twice about catching one would be ones that already have an NX pass.
Any reason the 7:15 X21 from Woodcock Hill didn't run?
I've been noticing more platinums at night/evening service on 55 last night 23/24 branded and X2 branded do they come off routes from daytime and do 55?
Quote from: 2206 on November 03, 2020, 06:32:43 PM
Even the claribels bus was displaying "Bus Full Sorry", and had a full load from what I could tell. It alternates between that and another display, not sure what that one says.
It alternates between "Bus full Sorry& social distancing capacity reached
When I was on the X70 today after work around 2pm when I got into Brum on 7531 it changed to the X12 so I guess some journeys interwork ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 06, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
When I was on the X70 today after work around 2pm when I got into Brum on 7531 it changed to the X12 so I guess some journeys interwork ?
I thought they would inter work makes sense for them too
Saw Clarkes of London coach on 45S to Cadbury College on Priory Queensway at about 08:20 this morning.
What garage do Clarkes of London coaches run from? And also does it just do the 45S, or does it operate some other coach route afterwards?
Also saw BC 4575 on 66S to Great Lister Street. That one departed empty with nobody on it.
I believe the coaches are all parked at bordesley green garage
Quote from: Steveminor on November 09, 2020, 04:04:36 PM
I believe the coaches are all parked at bordesley green garage
Clarkes, King's Ferry & Lucketts all have coaches based at Bordesley garage for school work. BC are using three of their coaches on school work as well
Chapel Lane in Selly Oak becomes open to two way traffic this evening. A bus stop is now in place just opposite the Battery Park entrance for buses heading from Bristol Road down to Harborne Lane. Does anybody know which services will use this?
Quote from: SO6597 on November 22, 2020, 01:34:00 PM
Chapel Lane in Selly Oak becomes open to two way traffic this evening. A bus stop is now in place just opposite the Battery Park entrance for buses heading from Bristol Road down to Harborne Lane. Does anybody know which services will use this?
They might send the 76 down there considering it used to do it but was diverted when the roadworks started (correct me if I'm wrong).
Quote from: bususer28 on November 22, 2020, 06:01:02 PM
They might send the 76 down there considering it used to do it but was diverted when the roadworks started (correct me if I'm wrong).
It'll be interesting. A bus gate is in place from Harborne Lane onto the Bristol Rd (towards city) too. I wondered about the 76 or possibly the 1A? Alternatively the stop and gate may be there for when the proposed student accommodation on the triangle is up and running although that won't be for a long time yet.
Quote from: SO6597 on November 22, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
It'll be interesting. A bus gate is in place from Harborne Lane onto the Bristol Rd (towards city) too. I wondered about the 76 or possibly the 1A? Alternatively the stop and gate may be there for when the proposed student accommodation on the triangle is up and running although that won't be for a long time yet.
It seems logical to route the 76 down there seeing as it currently has to turn back on itself to get onto the Bristol Road. I doubt they'd change the 1A with all the congestion along the high street at peak times - It'd be an inconvenience for a large proportion of passengers who are using it to get to the QE or to transfer to services like the 48 or X22.
Was the 23 on diversion in Woodgate Valley, even if it was only for a few minutes?
If not, a driver on 686* (it may be 0 or 9 but can't be too sure now) drove straight down Sommerfeld road instead of turning right onto Stevens Avenue (missing 3 stops).
They also nearly failed to stop for a pedestrian at the zebra crossing by Hillcrest School.
I thought drivers had to sign something to certify that they knew a route before they could drive it.
Quote from: National Express Platinum Website
also ensure we have a regular set of drivers on each route who are specially trained to drive these vehicles and fully understand the route and features that they consist of.
Of course if there was a diversion then you can ignore this.
Edit: It occured today between 4:10 and 4:20PM (23 to Birmingham)
Quote from: mesub on November 24, 2020, 07:09:06 PM
Was the 23 on diversion in Woodgate Valley, even if it was only for a few minutes?
If not, a driver on 686* (it may be 0 or 9 but can't be too sure now) drove straight down Sommerfeld road instead of turning right onto Stevens Avenue (missing 3 stops).
They also nearly failed to stop for a pedestrian at the zebra crossing by Hillcrest School.
I thought drivers had to sign something to certify that they knew a route before they could drive it.
Of course if there was a diversion then you can ignore this.
Edit: It occured today between 4:10 and 4:20PM (23 to Birmingham)
Maybe he made a mistake, and by you posting it on here will land him a disciplinary?
Quote from: MW on November 24, 2020, 10:16:13 PM
Maybe he made a mistake, and by you posting it on here will land him a disciplinary?
The x22 was meant to be on diversion today, not sure about 23
Quote from: MW on November 24, 2020, 10:16:13 PM
Maybe he made a mistake, and by you posting it on here will land him a disciplinary?
Not really. I just am interested if it was a mistake or an actual diversion was in place.
Quote from: mesub on November 25, 2020, 08:06:17 PM
Not really. I just am interested if it was a mistake or an actual diversion was in place.
Well you post was very accusing and against forum rules.
Will X70 be getting next stop announcments?
7523 went pass me on the X12 today and I thought it was a 5. Good old times. I wish 75** return to Acocks green sometime. It was Lovley to see platinum buses everywhere in the village everyday.
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
Well you post was very accusing and against forum rules.
My apologies, I didn't intend for it to sound accusing.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 27, 2020, 10:14:04 PM
Not an "oddity" as per say, but it's something which I think may be of interest to some people. I've just been looking through some photos and have just realised that 1938, 1941, 1942, 1946, 1948, 1951 and 1952 are the only Omnilinks in NX's fleet to still have the Scania badge on the front panel.
4872 has an ADL badge as well. It surprised me when it turned up when it turned up while I was waiting for the 55/94 a few weeks back. As i've not seen it on the others.
Nice allocation on 55/94 corridor these days with newer E400 and Tridents on 55 and older E400/Gemini on 94. Plus odd Omnicity on 94 or Platinum on either route can turn up. As well as Claribels Pulsars. So a varied fleet.
Another unusual thing i've remembered is 1833 is the only one to still have the grey area on the front where the Scania name used to be on the older Omnilinks.
Quote from: 2206 on November 27, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
4872 has an ADL badge as well. It surprised me when it turned up when it turned up while I was waiting for the 55/94 a few weeks back. As i've not seen it on the others.
Nice allocation on 55/94 corridor these days with newer E400 and Tridents on 55 and older E400/Gemini on 94. Plus odd Omnicity on 94 or Platinum on either route can turn up. As well as Claribels Pulsars. So a varied fleet.
Another unusual thing i've remembered is 1833 is the only one to still have the grey area on the front where the Scania name used to be on the older Omnilinks.
Yes, 1833 was a very early repaint. It's orangey paintwork standing out a mile. It was also the last of the BY Scanias to be retrimmed with grey seats before the current refurbs.
Could 55 ever get some branding on these e400 which look quite bare?
Quote from: Jack D on November 28, 2020, 06:10:28 PM
Could 55 ever get some branding on these e400 which look quite bare?
They are no different to any other unbranded E400
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2020, 04:30:29 PM
Disappointingly it seems that a stop has been added between George Road and Granville St for the X20/X21/X22 where the 98 and X64 used to stop (though not updated on the announcements). Can't see the point of this unless the 'temporary' stop on George Road is going.
Is this stop supposed to be used or was this flag supposed to be for the stop on George Road? Because you still get 'Next stop Granville St' yet some drivers use this stop.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 01, 2020, 08:04:55 AM
Is this stop supposed to be used or was this flag supposed to be for the stop on George Road? Because you still get 'Next stop Granville St' yet some drivers use this stop.
Large sign in the shelter says "Bus Stop Not In Use"
Saw 4612 with a grey front display like the platinums have displaying 55 Chelmsley Wood via Ward End today.
Presume the grey displays new, as not seen a BC Trident with one before.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/death-digbeth-fears-national-express-19393639
Actually happening then, I always thought the development was to do more with HS2 as opposed to new homes. Wonder where new site could be? Could there be room to share with the HS2 depot on Drews Lane?
Sad news but you do wonder what will become of the other sites in Digbeth in the area opposite the Custard Factory between Digbeth and Bradford Street? It looks like this is just the start of a wholesale change to the area which is after all the hub of the industrial revolution and in Birmingham's place as factory to the world.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 04, 2020, 07:04:16 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/death-digbeth-fears-national-express-19393639
Actually happening then, I always thought the development was to do more with HS2 as opposed to new homes. Wonder where new site could be? Could there be room to share with the HS2 depot on Drews Lane?
There were rumours last year that there may be two sites to replace BC, one in the south and another in the east of the city.
Quote from: SO6597 on December 04, 2020, 08:44:09 PM
There were rumours last year that there may be two sites to replace BC, one in the south and another in the east of the city.
The east? The EAST???
The X1 Platinums seem to have reverted back to their original branding; in other words, it's no longer showing 'Birmingham | NEC & Airport | Coventry' on a single line of text now
Duplicate X2. Think it was 4904 today, was running 20 minutes late or so. So think the other X2 that operated the 08:12 trip will have probably been overcrowded then (it already had standing passengers at Swan). Not sure why this one that starts there was late, when the one that comes from City Centre was on time?
Also not clear why this one normally displays X2S St Peters and the one behind displays X2 Solihull then St Peters.
In previous weeks when i've been on that paticular journey such as 7531 last Monday a lot of people on it don't go to the St Peter school normally and get off in the Town Centre, etc with just a few/small number of school kids remaining on it.
My experience is the one behind that displays X2 is normally already completly full by the time it gets to the Swan, as that one comes from City Centre, whereas this one is a lot quieter as well.
So should be open to the public if its not supposed to be already. Otherwise i'd probably usually be left waiting for the 08:28.
Was in the car with my mom and I noticed that 6861 had another sticker saying please let the driver pull out. Is this recent?
Quote from: mesub on February 13, 2021, 08:59:39 PM
Was in the car with my mom and I noticed that 6861 had another sticker saying please let the driver pull out. Is this recent?
I noticed that on the 55/94 buses, every bus has it I think, I think its new. Though when I was looking on here I found an old thread that said something like what happened to the "please let the bus pull out stickers", so they must have had it in the past as well and its been reintroduced, I found this one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/50224897942/in/photolist-2jwcJmf-pTWqhN-bnRagq-pU7FmV-qUFkkL-4sxUnr-pUDWrq-V8UKd-doRw7x-qGz4Zz-q3QJxn-4Sd473-mSxJeR-qiEU1f-prVQ3m-ps4CXY-q2TA8D-bApsqp-9c1Ppi-mpAZbS-ou59Qz-mpyKeB-kyPmF5-awighp-jV3SF8
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 13, 2021, 09:46:06 PM
6837 - 55
Sure there was one on yesterday as well, though I don't remember the fleetnumer. They do appear now and again on there and the PB ones on the 94 also.
Another think I noticed is the big depearture screen things at the Fox & Goose only seems to recognise certain services, 55/94 and 11. It doesn't seem to recognise the 28, as I watched it change through the pages 3 nights in a row and its not been on any of them. Not sure if it recognises the 25/28A/Claribels as they don't run late nights.
Quote from: 2206 on February 13, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
I noticed that on the 55/94 buses, every bus has it I think, I think its new. Though when I was looking on here I found an old thread that said something like what happened to the "please let the bus pull out stickers", so they must have had it in the past as well and its been reintroduced, I found this one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/50224897942/in/photolist-2jwcJmf-pTWqhN-bnRagq-pU7FmV-qUFkkL-4sxUnr-pUDWrq-V8UKd-doRw7x-qGz4Zz-q3QJxn-4Sd473-mSxJeR-qiEU1f-prVQ3m-ps4CXY-q2TA8D-bApsqp-9c1Ppi-mpAZbS-ou59Qz-mpyKeB-kyPmF5-awighp-jV3SF8
Sure there was one on yesterday as well, though I don't remember the fleetnumer. They do appear now and again on there and the PB ones on the 94 also.
Pretty much every WMT/TWM bus had this "please let the bus pull out" stickers on it in the 1990s, just like the one pictured.
Quote from: mesub on February 13, 2021, 08:59:39 PM
Was in the car with my mom and I noticed that 6861 had another sticker saying please let the driver pull out. Is this recent?
Quote from: 2206 on February 13, 2021, 10:33:28 PM
I noticed that on the 55/94 buses, every bus has it I think, I think its new. Though when I was looking on here I found an old thread that said something like what happened to the "please let the bus pull out stickers", so they must have had it in the past as well and its been reintroduced, I found this one:
Quote from: ellspurs on February 14, 2021, 09:10:03 AM
Pretty much every WMT/TWM bus had this "please let the bus pull out" stickers on it in the 1990s, just like the one pictured.
Rule 223 in the Highway Code:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-users-requiring-extra-care-204-to-225#rule223
QuoteBuses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.
Its a shame that many motorists seem unaware of the Highway Code, judging by the standards of driving I see everywhere now...
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2021, 10:11:45 AM
Rule 223 in the Highway Code:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-users-requiring-extra-care-204-to-225#rule223
Its a shame that many motorists seem unaware of the Highway Code, judging by the standards of driving I see everywhere now...
I know this post is quiet old but I haven't visited the forums for a while, it's been debated that there are two key words in the Highway Code and that is "must" "should" former being optional and last one being you have to, most drivers roll the bus forward gaining momentum and someone eventually lets you out.
Is the bus wash at BC broken? And has it been broken for some time?
I had to go into the city centre this morning and the state of the BC fleet is very noticeable. Most buses with what is clearly days worth of caked on mud up to and including lower deck windows. Windows being that filthy it's hard to see out of. On many vehicles, the legal lettering, the orange lights along the body work and in some cases the fleetname have been manually cleaned with a cloth/sponge.
Was surprising as NX usually have a smartly turned out fleet.
Quote from: Gareth on March 18, 2021, 04:54:54 PM
Is the bus wash at BC broken? And has it been broken for some time?
I had to go into the city centre this morning and the state of the BC fleet is very noticeable. Most buses with what is clearly days worth of caked on mud up to and including lower deck windows. Windows being that filthy it's hard to see out of. On many vehicles, the legal lettering, the orange lights along the body work and in some cases the fleetname have been manually cleaned with a cloth/sponge.
Was surprising as NX usually have a smartly turned out fleet.
Unfortunately yes, it's broken! It's funny, to me, how the legal lettering gets wiped by someone but not the rear lights! I was seen wiping mine with a mop the other day and got accused of being a jobsworth! All in jest I hasten to add!
Quote from: AndrewLee on March 20, 2021, 07:01:37 PM
Unfortunately yes, it's broken! It's funny, to me, how the legal lettering gets wiped by someone but not the rear lights! I was seen wiping mine with a mop the other day and got accused of being a jobsworth! All in jest I hasten to add!
As other bus wash machines are available at garages in Birmingham, wouldn't it be possible to deal with the BC fleet over a week or two rather than risking potential reputational damage?
No sign of the X2S duplicate service this morning.
Meaning 6826 on the 08:12 X2 service from Yardley Swan was packed with people having to stand all the way down the bus and on the stairs. Think the running board number on the ticket machine said X1/16.
Bus times says duplicate was supposed to be 4949 and that 4949 operated nearly half an hour late.
Quote from: 2206 on March 29, 2021, 10:19:19 AM
No sign of the X2S duplicate service this morning.
Meaning 6826 on the 08:12 X2 service from Yardley Swan was packed with people having to stand all the way down the bus and on the stairs. Think the running board number on the ticket machine said X1/16.
Bus times says duplicate was supposed to be 4949 and that 4949 operated nearly half an hour late.
The X2S did run, It was a Trident I saw it leave Birmingham as usual when I got off my train.
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
The X2S did run, It was a Trident I saw it leave Birmingham as usual when I got off my train.
@Tony that's an earlier one I think. The 08:09 X2S starts at Yardley Swan, and comes from the garage, so you wouldn't have seen it in City Centre I don't think.
Oh dear read about the armed police stopping a 63 bus in Selly oak yesterdat , hope the experience wasn't too unpleasant for driver and passengers
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 31, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
Oh dear read about the armed police stopping a 63 bus in Selly oak yesterdat , hope the experience wasn't too unpleasant for driver and passengers
I assume they wanted someone on the bus.
Looked it up, looks like it was stopped for passenger safety reasons. "With reports a woman had been chased by armed men".
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/armed-police-halt-bus-arrest-20296499.amp
X70 now has next stop announcements now noticed today on 7525
Will Harborne/University platinums gain the platinum adverts on the ceilings at any point, like the other branded ones, as these ones are still bare after nearly 3 years branded for their current routes?
Anyone got a video with X70 new announcements on it I'm intrigued.
Quote from: Jack D on April 11, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Anyone got a video with X70 new announcements on it I'm intrigued.
Intrigued by what? They'd be the same as the ones that were already on the other routes I would have thought?
E.g X20 to Birmingham. Next Stop University Station for Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Next Stop: Gilldown Place, etc
Are they uploaded on every BC platinum as I know some buses before didnt have X12 updated etc
4622 on the 14 has had a small ad frame removed and replaced with a large frame. Where the small one has been removed some of the White/Blue of its TWM livery has appeared on it.
Also 4572 on the 14 has a big Unlimited on a blue background on the back upper deck window which looks like it belongs on one of the price branded tridents.
Quote from: 2206 on April 13, 2021, 06:18:16 PM
4622 on the 14 has had a small ad frame removed and replaced with a large frame. Where the small one has been removed some of the White/Blue of its TWM livery has appeared on it.
Also 4572 on the 14 has a big Unlimited on a blue background on the back upper deck window which looks like it belongs on one of the price branded tridents.
Should this not be in the 'Oddities' thread?
Quote from: 2206 on April 09, 2021, 12:42:00 PM
Will Harborne/University platinums gain the platinum adverts on the ceilings at any point, like the other branded ones, as these ones are still bare after nearly 3 years branded for their current routes?
6855-57 & 6890-92 are the same from that batch in that respect.
Two buses that haven't been used this year are now back in use
5502 ventured out for the first time on Monday
4441 has come out on the X1/X2 this afternoon
And another out for the first time this year
5517 was on the 97 last night
What year is this depot likely to close in?
Also if new depot is to be in Kitts Green, sounds like it won't to be very far from the old Lea Hall one and likewise somewhere on or near the 14 route.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1227786634022033/permalink/2321316228002396/?comment_id=2321327431334609
Just trying to think where in Kits Green area where would be a suitable location? Garretts green lane industrial estate. Also thinking out loud if they found big new locations in longbridge / kitts green. Could this be an opp to save more money and shut either, Yw or AG.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 03, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Just trying to think where in Kits Green area where would be a suitable location? Garretts green lane industrial estate. Also thinking out loud if they found big new locations in longbridge / kitts green. Could this be an opp to save more money and shut either, Yw or AG.
Would the land by the river on Lea Ford Road be big enough?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4880169,-1.778825,3a,15y,111.27h,85.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snw2-dWgGI3spkFJXcZNpkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Granby Avenue has a lot of buildings on it already I think
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 03, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
Just trying to think where in Kits Green area where would be a suitable location? Garretts green lane industrial estate. Also thinking out loud if they found big new locations in longbridge / kitts green. Could this be an opp to save more money and shut either, Yw or AG.
Kitts Green appears to be mainly residential, the only possible suitable place I can think of is the Garretts Green Industrial Estate. But then you'd need a fairly decent sized unit(s) to become available.
Presumably a home will need to be found for the services BC operate in the south of the city too? Pershore Rd, Bristol Rd, University and Harborne corridors seem ideal for a location in Longbridge for example. Lots of land being developed there.
Quote from: SO6597 on May 03, 2021, 11:49:44 AM
Presumably a home will need to be found for the services BC operate in the south of the city too? Pershore Rd, Bristol Rd, University and Harborne corridors seem ideal for a location in Longbridge for example. Lots of land being developed there.
It's already confirmed in Tony's Facebook post that one new depot site will be located at Longbridge
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2021, 01:06:58 PM
It's already confirmed in Tony's Facebook post that one new depot site will be located at Longbridge
I see, thanks for that. I'm not on Facebook - is there any detail as to where exactly?
Quote from: SO6597 on May 03, 2021, 01:54:03 PM
I see, thanks for that. I'm not on Facebook - is there any detail as to where exactly?
The below link was posted by '2206' 4 messages above yours in this thread #6058:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1227786634022033/permalink/2321316228002396/?comment_id=2321327431334609
Quote from: 2206 on May 03, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
Would the land by the river on Lea Ford Road be big enough?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4880169,-1.778825,3a,15y,111.27h,85.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snw2-dWgGI3spkFJXcZNpkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Granby Avenue has a lot of buildings on it already I think
That's part of Kingfisher Country park. Very much doubt they'll let them build a bus garage on there.
The main spots I could see would be either on Garratts Green industrial estate (around where the DVLA test centre is), or off Mackadown Lane, close to the Claribels Garage.
Unless, with the quieter vehicles now in operation, they're allowed to requisition the old Lea Hall garage back!
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2021, 02:04:50 PM
The below link was posted by '2206' 4 messages above yours in this thread #6058:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1227786634022033/permalink/2321316228002396/?comment_id=2321327431334609
Thanks, I saw that but it would've helped if I'd read the replies! Much appreciated 👍
Quote from: ellspurs on May 03, 2021, 02:25:11 PM
That's part of Kingfisher Country park. Very much doubt they'll let them build a bus garage on there.
The main spots I could see would be either on Garratts Green industrial estate (around where the DVLA test centre is), or off Mackadown Lane, close to the Claribels Garage.
Unless, with the quieter vehicles now in operation, they're allowed to requisition the old Lea Hall garage back!
Thanks for the info, I wasn't sure as it looks to be fenced off from the main river area.
It was said Lea Hall won't be reopened as it is by houses and built for operations 70 years ago.
Quote from: 2206 on May 03, 2021, 02:30:16 PM
Thanks for the info, I wasn't sure as it looks to be fenced off from the main river area.
I think it was said Lea Hall won't be reopened as it is by houses and built for operations over 50 years ago, etc.
NX don't own Lea Hall anymore, it was sold off to a clothing recycling company. After sale, NX did lease back a portion of the depot to house the reserve fleet for a time, but they were auctioned off & Lea Hall cleared some years back.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2595.0
Even if Lea Hall was still owned and useable, the future of the fleet looks like hydrogen buses playing a part. Hydrogen buses cannot be stored inside. I imagine we'll see changes to much of bus garage infrastructure over the coming years. Maybe certain areas of the West Midlands being electric areas (like Coventry) and other being Hydrogen areas maybe the new Perry Barr and BC successors)
The Lea hall depot should be made into housing. Long ridge I can see, does anyone else they might shut yardley wood or acocks green. I know it's speculation but would make sense if these new super locations came into place.
Quote from: 2206 on May 03, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
Would the land by the river on Lea Ford Road be big enough?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4880169,-1.778825,3a,15y,111.27h,85.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snw2-dWgGI3spkFJXcZNpkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Granby Avenue has a lot of buildings on it already I think
It's already been mentioned that that site wouldn't be suitable, but out of curiosity, I measured it using an online tool, and it's just over 11 acres, so more than triple the size of BC, not taking into account the car park across the road.
Quote from: Gareth on May 03, 2021, 03:33:45 PM
Hydrogen buses cannot be stored inside.
Is that true?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 03, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
I know it's speculation but would make sense if these new super locations came into place.
Tony has previously stated that NX are not planning any 'super-garages'.
Though I have previously speculated that depending on how big these new sites are, there could be potential to close down one (or even both) of Acocks Green or Yardley Wood, with a bit of clever 'jiggery-pokery'.
Tony obviously knows more than I do ;D so it may just be the case that the 'big' Birmingham Central garage gets replaced with two smaller ones, but with the capacity to grow if needed.
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2021, 07:45:25 PM
Is that true?
Tony has previously stated that NX are not planning any 'super-garages'.
Though I have previously speculated that depending on how big these new sites are, there could be potential to close down one (or even both) of Acocks Green or Yardley Wood, with a bit of clever 'jiggery-pokery'.
Tony obviously knows more than I do ;D so it may just be the case that the 'big' Birmingham Central garage gets replaced with two smaller ones, but with the capacity to grow if needed.
Hydrogen buses can be stored inside, as long as they haven't got any hydrogen in them. They have about a 15 mile range without fuel, so can be drained when they come in for work to be done.
The Longbridge site is going to be joint NXWM & NEAT, but the NXWM part will be smaller than BC.
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2021, 07:45:25 PM
Is that true?
I don't just make up facts on the spot.
Yes they can be taken inside a garage for works etc if the tanks are empty, but you couldn't really have indoor garages (like the reopening of Lea Hall as suggested) running fleets of hydrogen buses.
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
Hydrogen buses can be stored inside, as long as they haven't got any hydrogen in them. They have about a 15 mile range without fuel, so can be drained when they come in for work to be done.
The Longbridge site is going to be joint NXWM & NEAT, but the NXWM part will be smaller than BC.
Thanks for that, so there's some 'operational benefit' in relocating the NEAT Frankley depot in the same move.
With the addition of a new site in Kitts Green, I presume the capacity will be factored in, to perhaps accomodate also the 94 from Perry Barr, as well as the 17 from Acocks Green, to give both those garages the opportunity to 'grow' further in the future if needed.
Quote from: Gareth on May 04, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
I don't just make up facts on the spot.
Yes they can be taken inside a garage for works etc if the tanks are empty, but you couldn't really have indoor garages (like the reopening of Lea Hall as suggested) running fleets of hydrogen buses.
I genuinely didn't know that, which is why I asked the question.
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2021, 08:41:53 PM
Thanks for that, so there's some 'operational benefit' in relocating the NEAT Frankley depot in the same move.
With the addition of a new site in Kitts Green, I presume the capacity will be factored in, to perhaps accomodate also the 94 from Perry Barr, as well as the 17 from Acocks Green, to give both those garages the opportunity to 'grow' further in the future if needed.
I genuinely didn't know that, which is why I asked the question.
the 17 to kitts green would make sense as it goes near there
Quote from: bbs on May 04, 2021, 11:08:42 PM
the 17 to kitts green would make sense as it goes near there
Or the 72?
As the 72 runs past the Mackadown and past the bottom of Granby Avenue as well, whereas it doesn't really go near AG.
Quote from: 2206 on May 04, 2021, 11:11:42 PM
Or the 72?
As the 72 runs past the Mackadown and past the bottom of Granby Avenue as well, whereas it doesn't really go near AG.
yeah 72 too and maybe the 58
Quote from: bbs on May 04, 2021, 11:25:04 PM
yeah 72 too and maybe the 58
You could throw the 73 into that too it doesn't stop exactly that far from there either.
I imagine a Chelmsley/Kitts Green garage would operate the following:
BC - 14/55/97/X12/X70
PB - 71/94/96
AG - 17/72
And possibly AG 58/73, BC 60.
Theres been 2-3 diggers on lea ford road fields past few days could that be a sign of some development starting?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 06, 2021, 12:13:27 AM
I imagine a Kitts Green garage would operate the following:
BC - 14/55/97/X12/X70
PB - 71/94/96
AG - 17/72
And possibly AG 58/73, BC 60.
And X1/X2 could possibly run from from Kitts Green as well as 60.
The Longbridge one could possibly take the 49 from YW as well.
Longbridge could take the 18,27,35,49 & 76 from Yardley Wood and the possibly the 50 as well
Quote from: FireballXL5 on May 07, 2021, 11:17:25 AM
Longbridge could take the 18,27,35,49 & 76 from Yardley Wood and the possibly the 50 as well
Why? It'll take a huge chunk of work from YW. Plus, where's the space for all the vehicles?
Quote from: Pat on May 07, 2021, 11:48:35 AM
Why? It'll take a huge chunk of work from YW. Plus, where's the space for all the vehicles?
If they did that they could move the Stratford Rd routes 2/3/6 to AG and shut YW I guess. Which was what was suggested above, they could close one of AG and YW to save money.
It probably depends on how big the new depots will be though.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on May 07, 2021, 11:17:25 AM
Longbridge could take the 18,27,35,49 & 76 from Yardley Wood and the possibly the 50 as well
27 and 49 would make sense to transfer them. 18 can do too but some of the journies I saw it terminates at YW garage? 76 also but I don't think the extension of the route will last that long. It will likely either tossed around to another route or created a new route. I would create a some sort a circular route and operate it from Longbridge so 48 and 76 can go back to the original route.
Quote from: 2206 on May 07, 2021, 11:50:17 AM
If they did that they could move the Stratford Rd routes 2/3/6 to AG and shut YW I guess. Which was what was suggested above, they could close one of AG and YW to save money.
It probably depends on how big the new depots will be though.
Electric vehicles need bigger parking spaces than diesel due to the charging kit, so extra capacity needed not less
Quote from: 2206 on May 07, 2021, 11:50:17 AM
If they did that they could move the Stratford Rd routes 2/3/6 to AG and shut YW I guess. Which was what was suggested above, they could close one of AG and YW to save money.
It probably depends on how big the new depots will be though.
AG is quite bigger than YW from outside. And they have enough buses already
I think from what Tony has hinted is that the two new garages in Longbridge and Kitts Green will simply replace the existing Birmingham Central garage, with the south-west Birmingham services running out of Longbridge, and the east Birmingham services out of Kitts Green.
So I think its safe to say that for now we can put an end to speculating on closure of AG and/or YW as its clearly not going to happen. Though its possible we may see one or two other services transferring in to the new garages but only to free up capacity at others, for reasons that Tony has stated.
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
I think from what Tony has hinted is that the two new garages in Longbridge and Kitts Green will simply replace the existing Birmingham Central garage, with the south-west Birmingham services running out of Longbridge, and the east Birmingham services out of Kitts Green.
So I think its safe to say that for now we can put an end to speculating on closure of AG and/or YW as its clearly not going to happen. Though its possible we may see one or two other services transferring in to the new garages but only to free up capacity at others, for reasons that Tony has stated.
When cross-city services are introduced that will affect which services are run by which garage as well
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2021, 06:20:54 PM
When cross-city services are introduced that will affect which services are run by which garage as well
That's a good point, I would have thought it would have been beneficial to split such services between garages, for example the proposed 50/82/87 merger split between West Bromwich and Yardley Wood, to save on dead-running.
But then again, West Bromwich already run the 48 which travels through much of south-west Birmingham.
Interesting times ahead!
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2021, 07:22:38 PM
That's a good point, I would have thought it would have been beneficial to split such services between garages, for example the proposed 50/82/87 merger split between West Bromwich and Yardley Wood, to save on dead-running.
But then again, West Bromwich already run the 48 which travels through much of south-west Birmingham.
Interesting times ahead!
Logistically the ones starting at each end would be operated by its respective garage but that running board would have to finish at the same place too (to maximise operating costs) unless you have a "dynamic" fleet where they live at both depots, but then that'd probably be an issue from an accounting point of view (depending on whether NX budget by the depot or whether it's "universal". You'd also have two relief points at each end. Perhaps a return of stickers in the windscreen with which depot that bus is running from...
Off topic but when the Diamond 50 transferred to Redditch, half the running boards began in City and not at Maypole, which would have made more sense. Same goes for the end of service. Some running boards finished in City, and then you'd run dead along the whole route to Maypole and then onto the bypass to Redditch. Whether they've changed that now, I don't know.
Quote from: MW on May 07, 2021, 08:58:02 PM
Perhaps a return of stickers in the windscreen with which depot that bus is running from...
They tell you inside where its ran from now.
The new sign says something like "This bus is deep cleaned every night by your local Perry Barr/Central Birmingham cleaning team".
Re: buses getting back to the Longbridge garage, there used to be a service road linking the old car factory to Rubery Lane. Not sure if it still exists but that would be an efficient way of getting any Frankley/Harborne/West Bham services back to base from that side.
In the event of any non-BC services needing to move to Longbridge to release capacity elsewhere, the 49 looks the most likely as the 18/27/76 either directly pass or go far closer to YW than they would to to new garage, 27 also being single deck would be an anomaly there.
The 48 is an interesting one as 75% of the full route is in what could be described as the new garage's patch. A candidate for a share with the 48A run by WB?
As someone else said, definitely interesting times ahead.
since the Iron Lane Junction Improvements are coming to an end soon as it's mainly competed was wondering if the 55 will go back to its old route via stechford road
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 08, 2021, 07:54:27 PM
since the Iron Lane Junction Improvements are coming to an end soon as it's mainly competed was wondering if the 55 will go back to its old route via stechford road
Are they changing the road layout on Stechford Lane so the bus doesn't have to drive down to the roundabout to do a u-turn to come back on itself to turn down Stechford Road? It always felt it lost more time sat at those lights twice than it did doing the u-turn on the roundabout.
Quote from: ellspurs on May 08, 2021, 08:11:26 PM
Are they changing the road layout on Stechford Lane so the bus doesn't have to drive down to the roundabout to do a u-turn to come back on itself to turn down Stechford Road? It always felt it lost more time sat at those lights twice than it did doing the u-turn on the roundabout.
If the current route is the permanent route maybe add an extra stop on the Stechford Road as it seems like a long gap with no stop.
Does Stechford Lane still see a lot of congestion though like it used to, how long does it take for the 11 to get through there in the peak normally, or is it better now?
The road has already changed you can turn left at the lights now
Quote from: Jack D on May 08, 2021, 08:16:23 PM
The road has already changed you can turn left at the lights now
Ah, then it would make sense to revert it. Depends on how many new people caught the bus on the Coleshill Road than used to catch it on the Stechford Road. It doesn't seem like they've bothered to add any new stops to the other side of Stechford Road that the 55 currently serves.
Quote from: 2206 on May 08, 2021, 08:16:01 PM
If the current route is the permanent route maybe add an extra stop on the Stechford Road as it seems like a long gap with no stop.
Does Stechford Lane still see a lot of congestion though like it used to, how long does it take for the 11 to get through there in the peak normally, or is it better now?
once the slip road is open all the congestion will be mostly gone that was the idea of the improvements but yes there's no stops that have been added to the side it currently serves and when it was diverted i'm pretty sure NX did say it was a long time diversion but hopefully it goes back down the old route pretty sure it saves journey time too
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 08, 2021, 11:29:34 PM
once the slip road is open all the congestion will be mostly gone that was the idea of the improvements but yes there's no stops that have been added to the side it currently serves and when it was diverted i'm pretty sure NX did say it was a long time diversion but hopefully it goes back down the old route pretty sure it saves journey time too
That makes sense.
Though I guess some people will probably miss the stop by Tesco on Coleshill Road, as there's normally people waiting with shopping bags in it for the 55, they'll have to cross over the road and get it on the other side, but not a big inconvenience I guess.
And also of note a small number of people will lose the 4 min frequency they've been having.
Quote from: 2206 on May 08, 2021, 11:50:22 PM
That makes sense.
Though I guess some people will probably miss the stop by Tesco on Coleshill Road, as there's normally people waiting with shopping bags in it for the 55, they'll have to cross over the road and get it on the other side, but not a big inconvenience I guess.
And also of note a small number of people will lose the 4 min frequency they've been having.
they will only need to cross the road and make their way to the stop outside aldi not a big inconvenience like you said and there still is the 94 serving that stretch and not many people normally do board the 55 out bound on coleshill road anyway whenever i board it but it would be much better if it went back down the old route in my opinion giving the residents that live on stechford road their old bus route back
6886 sounding worse than ever right now. Not sure why it's making that sound but it doesn't sound healthy.
just seen a video of a UID platinum on the 61 running on smallbrook queensway with hazards on with the palestine protesters waving their flags on the bus
edit
another video of it appeared on bristol road cruising with the protestors and bus driver beeping
4463 displaying 94 Birmingham via Ward End heading towards City Centre earlier on the Washwood Heath Road, while I was on the Claribels bus going the other way. Which is different, being a PB route.
Tracker suggests it should have been on 94S.
4899 now has an overall advert for McArthur Glen at Cannock
4463 was doing the Afternoon 94S school
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
4899 now has an overall advert for McArthur Glen at Cannock
Slightly off topic but connected, but is Walsall likely to have one, seeing they currently operate the only Nx route there, or will 4899 go 'on tour' round the depots?
Quote from: Westy on May 25, 2021, 06:10:39 PM
Slightly off topic but connected, but is Walsall likely to have one, seeing they currently operate the only Nx route there, or will 4899 go 'on tour' round the depots?
No, and No. You don't need the advert on a bus that goes there
@Tony I've been looking at 7523.Shes been ploughing through the entire Birmingham. Since 23:42 she's constantly been going to PB and then AG and etc
Taking staff home and picking them up
4472 on X12
Lots of crimson 44** Tridents have left BC. I was under the impression these were all Euro 6 along with other crimson 45** & 46** Tridents... am I wrong? I'm also assuming all 46** gems and newer vehicles are also compatible with the low emissions zone?
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on June 06, 2021, 10:59:52 PM
Lots of crimson 44** Tridents have left BC. I was under the impression these were all Euro 6 along with other crimson 45** & 46** Tridents... am I wrong? I'm also assuming all 46** gems and newer vehicles are also compatible with the low emissions zone?
Mo, only 4449, 4466-74, 4594-4600, 4602-4623, 4625-4628 and 4630-4634 are compliant at BC.
The only batches of Gemini's allowed are the remaining 44** at PB and the 46** ones at WB.
Everything from 2007 and newer is compliant as far as I know.
Quote from: Jack on June 06, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
Mo, only 4449, 4466-74, 4594-4600, 4602-4623, 4625-4628 and 4630-4634 are compliant at BC.
The only batches of Gemini's allowed are the remaining 44** at PB and the 46** ones at WB.
Everything from 2007 and newer is compliant as far as I know.
Other buses that are Euro6 are 4125, 4523, 4525 and 3 Coventry Gemini.
4498, 4500-2 at PB are not Euro6 and will be leaving PB when they are back on the road
Quote from: Jack on June 06, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
Mo, only 4449, 4466-74, 4594-4600, 4602-4623, 4625-4628 and 4630-4634 are compliant at BC.
The only batches of Gemini's allowed are the remaining 44** at PB and the 46** ones at WB.
Everything from 2007 and newer is compliant as far as I know.
Minus 4679
4667, 4672 & 4675 are the 3 Geminis at Coventry certified Euro 6
Are the route changes in town having an adverse effect timetables? I've seen at least 4 23s (in the same direction) go past in about 5 minutes.
Thanks for that, makes sense with all the Tridents leaving now. I'm assuming that BC & PB will need to be completely Euro 6 now?
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on June 07, 2021, 11:05:22 PM
Thanks for that, makes sense with all the Tridents leaving now. I'm assuming that BC & PB will need to be completely Euro 6 now?
BC is located within the CAZ, so yes really. Even if they operated routes that didn't enter the CAZ (which they don't to my knowledge), the vehicles still have to enter the CAZ when running to/from garage.
PB will only need Euro6 vehicles for their services that go into the CAZ.
Quote from: Stu on June 08, 2021, 07:49:43 AM
PB will only need Euro6 vehicles for their services that go into the CAZ.
All the deckers will need to be as they are all used on City Centre routes.
Only services that don't go into the City Centre at PB are solely Omnilink operated. And they are all Eruro6 aren't they?
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
All the deckers will need to be as they are all used on City Centre routes.
Only services that don't go into the City Centre at PB are solely Omnilink operated. And they are all Eruro6 aren't they?
Only double deck that doesn't go into city is the 38. Yes, when the current transfers finish PB will be 100% Euro 6
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2021, 08:43:40 AM
Only double deck that doesn't go into city is the 38. Yes, when the current transfers finish PB will be 100% Euro 6
Doesn't the bus off the 38 come into City on the FD
@Tony? As I've just seen 4477 on the FD which has been on 38's all day.
5503 has just gone out as a change bus on the 55. First time in service this year after the bad RTC
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2021, 09:42:56 AM
5503 has just gone out as a change bus on the 55. First time in service this year after the bad RTC
Are you sure? It was tracking on the 61/63 yesterday.
20:05 55 from City Centre towards Ward End never operated for some reason. 4812 operated the 20:15 94.
Does anyone know if 55 timetable as of 24th July is avaliable?
Quote from: Jack D on July 13, 2021, 07:22:02 PM
Does anyone know if 55 timetable as of 24th July is avaliable?
Doesn't appear to be, unless they're incorporating the changes from 18th July instead?
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/55-birmingham-chelmsley-wood
It says in that timetable 18th-24th July only?
Quote from: Stu on July 13, 2021, 07:40:09 PM
Doesn't appear to be, unless they're incorporating the changes from 18th July instead?
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/55-birmingham-chelmsley-wood
Timetable from 25th now on traveline WM. Using Stechford Lane instead of Coleshill Road.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=33055&sup=B&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=EFA03_49444156&lineVer=10&itdLPxx_spTr=10&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=NXB
94 timetable changed from 25th too are they definitely interworking on sundays?
Quote from: Jack D on July 13, 2021, 09:27:52 PM
It says in that timetable 18th-24th July only?
Ah sorry, I didn't look at the actual PDF, but the website does say "from 18th July 2021 until 28th August 2021".
Quote from: Jack D on July 14, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
94 timetable changed from 25th too are they definitely interworking on sundays?
I think you've answered your own question there!
A lot of the changes starting 18th July are for the school summer holidays
It's the changes back in September when kids go back that will be interesting
The drug addict man boarded 4941 without paying at Aston Church Road towards Fox & Goose, yet again this afternoon, driver told him to get off or pay and this man just walked straight on again and said he "doesn't care".
Last week he just walked straight on the 94 at his regular Washwood Heath Rd, Sandway Garden stop without paying towards City and shouted at the driver to wait for him to sit down.
He has been not paying and travelling on the services for at least 7 years. Which just shows, same person everytime. Used to travel with a woman, but now travels on his own seemingly. When he's not fare dodging he seems to be shaking a empty cup at cars passing by begging for money.
One time I recall on a bus heading out of the City Centre he was lying down in the middle of the floor of the bus.
Quote from: 2206 on July 15, 2021, 03:33:00 PM
The drug addict man boarded 4941 without paying at Aston Church Road towards Fox & Goose, yet again this afternoon, driver told him to get off or pay and this man just walked straight on again and said he "doesn't care".
Last week he just walked straight on the 94 at his regular Washwood Heath Rd, Sandway Garden stop without paying towards City and shouted at the driver to wait for him to sit down.
He has been not paying and travelling on the services for at least 7 years. Which just shows, same person everytime. Used to travel with a woman, but now travels on his own seemingly. When he's not fare dodging he seems to be shaking a empty cup at cars passing by begging for money.
One time I recall on a bus heading out of the City Centre he was lying down in the middle of the floor of the bus.
If that's who I think it is, he and his female friend have been not paying on Washwood Heath services for somewhere between 15-20 years!
Some interesting overheard driver gossip today.
Drivers taking about the closure of Birmingham Central and it's replacement garages. Kitts Green still seemingly going ahead but Longbridge has fallen through and NX are now looking at Kings Norton, possibly the old Triplex site.
Quote from: Gareth on July 15, 2021, 05:52:36 PM
Some interesting overheard driver gossip today.
Drivers taking about the closure of Birmingham Central and it's replacement garages. Kitts Green still seemingly going ahead but Longbridge has fallen through and NX are now looking at Kings Norton, possibly the old Triplex site.
think nx spoke about that online in an article
Some horrible flooding on Edgbaston Park Road by The Vale, will maybe have to start diverting if it gets worse.
Quote from: Gareth on July 15, 2021, 05:52:36 PM
NX are now looking at Kings Norton, possibly the old Triplex site.
That's interesting. My dad works at the plant (now moved to Redditch) and he said that when they moved in November last year, they were told it would be exclusively used for housing.
Was on 4843 this evening on 94 to Ward End at about 20:00 and 7530 on the stand infront was displaying X13 Birmingham via Coleshill, it changed to X13 Chelmsley Wood via Coleshill, when passengers started getting on. Only a few hours early.
No timetable/flag changes on the 95 route yet, other than they have put a timetable up on the Priory Queensway 94/95 stand which says 95 Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Ward End and there's a notice on the stop, so presumably the other stops will get the timetable/flag changed in due course.
Quote from: 2206 on August 28, 2021, 08:29:10 PM
Was on 4843 this evening on 94 to Ward End at about 20:00 and 7530 on the stand infront was displaying X13 Birmingham via Coleshill, it changed to X13 Chelmsley Wood via Coleshill, when passengers started getting on. Only a few hours early.
No timetable/flag changes on the 95 route yet, but they have put a timetable up on the Priory Queensway 94/95 stand which says 95 Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Ward End and there's a notice on the stop, so presumably the other stops will get the timetable/flag changed in due course.
I've seen one bus displaying X13 in water orton earlier , not sure but think they already updated the destinations on buses
55 are going round with blank destinations
I was driving about in shard end around 0800ish and bus waiting in the pithall Rd area still displaying 55, not sure if this is an accident or because stuff has not been reprogrammed yet? (Front and back)
One bus this morning was displaying 95.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 30, 2021, 04:57:42 PM
Yeah, I followed one through Kingshurst earlier.
4800, 4803, 4904, 4937, 4496 at least all displaying 55 today still.
Also the platinums are still going round advertising the withdrawn X20. So hopefully the branding is updated soon to match the current services on that corridor.
And 4928 on the Birmingham 94 says it is "proudly serving the city of wolverhampton".
Can't really say anything about branding it does take time to alter vinyls but destinations take a minute
Seen one of the branded platinums in question (not sure on fleet number) which has been changed to show just X21 and X22 and 'every 7 mins' which is wrong surely.
Also looks like the back window now covered with smaller circles saying X21 and X22 but it was quite far away.
Either way, looks like a patch up job compared with the X7/X8 platinums that needed changing.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 01, 2021, 07:58:15 AM
Seen one of the branded platinums in question (not sure on fleet number) which has been changed to show just X21 and X22 and 'every 7 mins' which is wrong surely.
Also looks like the back window now covered with smaller circles saying X21 and X22 but it was quite far away.
Either way, looks like a patch up job compared with the X7/X8 platinums that needed changing.
During AM peak buses run every 7-8 minutes in both directions between QE & City
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 01, 2021, 08:11:54 AM
During AM peak buses run every 7-8 minutes in both directions between QE & City
A bit of straw-clutching there don't you think.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 01, 2021, 08:12:56 AM
A bit of straw-clutching there don't you think.
It's nothing we haven't seen before, the current branding states "up to every 5 minutes"
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 01, 2021, 09:03:31 AM
It's nothing we haven't seen before, the current branding states "up to every 5 minutes"
No it says every 6 currently. Which was actually correct as with 3 20 minute services it amounted to every 6-7 mins.
Now it's every 10.
How long does bus driver training take?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 01, 2021, 07:58:15 AM
Seen one of the branded platinums in question (not sure on fleet number) which has been changed to show just X21 and X22 and 'every 7 mins' which is wrong surely.
Also looks like the back window now covered with smaller circles saying X21 and X22 but it was quite far away.
Either way, looks like a patch up job compared with the X7/X8 platinums that needed changing.
I believe it's 6880 , it was on the X13 yesterday afternoon , thought it had something done but wasn't sure
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 01, 2021, 01:27:33 PM
I believe it's 6880 , it was on the X13 yesterday afternoon , thought it had something done but wasn't sure
6881 done as well, that's currently on the 94.
As has 6887.
Apologies if this has been asked before, but working in Coventry, I travel along the A45 most days. I often see buses on the X1 running out of service both into and out of Coventry. It made me wonder why BC and CV don't work this route together. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why that I don't know about but surely working together would save buses running empty between both cities and save on fuel costs?
Quote from: 966 on September 01, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
Apologies if this has been asked before, but working in Coventry, I travel along the A45 most days. I often see buses on the X1 running out of service both into and out of Coventry. It made me wonder why BC and CV don't work this route together. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why that I don't know about but surely working together would save buses running empty between both cities and save on fuel costs?
I would've said, perhaps they don't want to mix vehicles with slightly different fleetnames(Seeing 'National Express Coventry ' in Birmingham for instance!), but you see 'National Express West Midlands ' presumbly in Coventry, plus in the past, Coventry has run the 900 in the past, but whether that was under 'regional' fleetname, rather than 'local' fleetname, I don't know.
Quote from: Westy on September 01, 2021, 10:00:50 PM
I would've said, perhaps they don't want to mix vehicles with slightly different fleetnames(Seeing 'National Express Coventry ' in Birmingham for instance!), but you see 'National Express West Midlands ' presumbly in Coventry, plus in the past, Coventry has run the 900 in the past, but whether that was under 'regional' fleetname, rather than 'local' fleetname, I don't know.
I believe it was under 'West Midlands Travel', before 'Travel Coventry' was introduced.
Coventry garage is full to capacity
Quote from: 966 on September 01, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
Apologies if this has been asked before, but working in Coventry, I travel along the A45 most days. I often see buses on the X1 running out of service both into and out of Coventry. It made me wonder why BC and CV don't work this route together. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons why that I don't know about but surely working together would save buses running empty between both cities and save on fuel costs?
As
@Tony has already said, Coventry are at capacity and logistically, BC is best placed to cover the X1. Historically, even Walsall operated its predecessor (900) so you can only imagine the dead mileage involved. Sometimes, the cost of dead mileage and greater reliability and resource far outweighs other factors that may cost the business.
Does anybody know why the 23 didn't serve Sommerfeld Road for most of the day? I've checked a few places and can't find anything.
Slightly off topic, but when West Midlands Travel worked the X92 on Sundays a bus had to go all the way to Hereford empty, and back at night.
Buses still displaying 55 today, 9 days since the changes and they were all BC ones from what I saw.
Including 6834 and some BC E400.
Notice X2 Branding on 6833 says "up to every 20 minutes" and another one as well, it was increased to every 15 minutes to Solihull last year I think.
Also saw 4598 in Solihull Town Centre on the 877, normally largely BC Platinums that run into Solihull Town Centre BC routes X2/X12's, but think this 877 is on a 60 board.
6858's ticket machine seems unable to issue local daysavers, they had to write it on a ticket roll and stick it to the assault screen.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 03, 2021, 06:05:16 PM
Passanger levels seem to have gone up a little lately which is good.
The 94/95's seemed to all be full this afternoon. Priory Queensway also got blocked up as well when I was on 4919, nothing was moving for a while.
Also didn't see any buses buses displaying 55 today I notice as well.
Quote from: 2206 on September 07, 2021, 06:44:35 PM
The 94/95's seemed to all be full this afternoon. Priory Queensway also got blocked up as well when I was on 4919, nothing was moving for a while.
Also didn't see any buses buses displaying 55 today I notice as well.
I believe a bus had broken down somewhere around priory Queensway/Square Peg as all Walsall services were briefly diverted via James Watt Queensway and Dale End
This 95/94 inter working has been shambles, 3 buses constantly running together
Quote from: Trident4590 on September 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
This 95/94 inter working has been shambles, 3 buses constantly running together
And the awful traffic around this week had nothing to do with it?
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2021, 10:00:03 PM
And the awful traffic around this week had nothing to do with it?
never said it didn't but no one is being adjusted so if one is late then it's affecting the other route, was never this bad when it was only operated by 1 garage
Quote from: Trident4590 on September 08, 2021, 01:11:23 AM
never said it didn't but no one is being adjusted so if one is late then it's affecting the other route, was never this bad when it was only operated by 1 garage
it's a high frequency route every 4 mins combined frequency so you will see 2 at one time even when they were operated without inter working they did end up arriving in twos
I like that the X21 has been increased to every 15 mins in the morning peaks but I don't understand why it can't be done in the PM peaks also. I don't know about the X22 (apart from those going the other way), but the X21 loadings are getting more full each day, and not one person got off anywhere around the Uni today. It's only going to get worse when the students all go back in a couple of weeks time.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2021, 05:48:05 PM
I like that the X21 has been increased to every 15 mins in the morning peaks but I don't understand why it can't be done in the PM peaks also. I don't know about the X22 (apart from those going the other way), but the X21 loadings are getting more full each day, and not one person got off anywhere around the Uni today. It's only going to get worse when the students all go back in a couple of weeks time.
I have the journey to look forward to in a couple of weeks
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 09, 2021, 05:48:05 PM
I like that the X21 has been increased to every 15 mins in the morning peaks but I don't understand why it can't be done in the PM peaks also.....
Generally always been a thing with most bus services in Brum hasn't it? AM peaks get higher frequency but PM just carries on the daytime service? What with schools and workers together in the morning but more spread out in the afternoon.
Obviously the X21/22 will be a bit of a different case, like the trains at Uni station, busy all times of the day
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
Remove for breaking forum rules by critisising someone who can be identified
Technically that driver acted correctly, if you look at the timetable, the next stop after Solihull town centre is listed as St Peters school, so its right that it goes direct without stopping.
There are of course numerous other services that call at all stops on Blossomfield Road that passengers can change onto in Solihull.
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2021, 10:38:40 AM
Remove for breaking forum rules by critisising someone who can be identified
So if he had opened the doors and someone had slipped and fell, he and the company would be liable for the accident.
Nice of you to critisise someone doing the job correctly.
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2021, 11:46:37 AM
So if he had opened the doors and someone had slipped and fell, he and the company would be liable for the accident.
Nice of you to critisise someone doing the job correctly.
There is a bus stop, at Solihull Swimming baths that hundreds of buses call at.
I will be making a complaint to National Express as it unacceptable and undefendable to take a bus load of passengers a mile down the road to Dingle Lane, in an area which they may not know, where they don't want to go. The X2 and 877 have always called at that stop.
People are obviously going to want to get off there as the X2 normally stops at the station, and this stop is next door.
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2021, 12:50:12 PM
There is a bus stop, at Solihull Swimming baths that hundreds of buses call at.
I will be making a complaint to National Express as it unacceptable and undefendable to take a bus load of passengers a mile down the road, in an area which they may not know, where they don't want to go. The X2 and 877 have always called at that stop.
People are obviously going to want to get off there as the X2 normally stops at the station, and this stop is next door.
I've just got off an X13 in Water Orton. It went past a load of stops on Tyburn Road without stopping Why, because it's not registered to stop there, exactly the same
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2021, 01:04:52 PM
I've just got off an X13 in Water Orton. It went past a load of stops on Tyburn Road without stopping Why, because it's not registered to stop there, exactly the same
Then they should register the service to call there, as it goes that way everyday and normally stops.
I don't think it would have done any bad to open the doors at the bus stop let anyone who wants the station off and then continue on its journey.
The X13 is a bit different as it can go multiple routes everyday and clearly not advertised to not stop there and never has stopped there.
So your going to complain despite the fact the bus does not stop there... is not registered to stop there... and you have been told by a senior member of the company the driver is doing g his job right and your complaint is unjustified... Good luck with that Karen... the only good thing that can come out if this is that cctv caught you using emergency equipment improperly... its customer's like you that make customer facing roles unbearable for so many...
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2021, 01:06:01 PM
Then they should register the service to call there, as it goes that way everyday and normally stops.
I don't think it would have done any bad to open the doors at the bus stop let anyone who wants the station off and then continue on its journey.
The X13 is a bit different as it can go multiple routes everyday and clearly not advertised to not stop there and never has stopped there.
The X2 is to get children to St Peter's School, they may not be able to get on if it was full of Solihull college students. Is the X2 mentioned on the bus stops on Blissomfield Road? No it isn't, vso it isn't advertised to stop there either, in fact the timetable specifically says it doesn't
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2021, 01:15:14 PM
Is the X2 mentioned on the bus stops on Blissomfield Road?
They both normally stop on Blossomfield Road so I assumed it does, this is the first driver who had a problem stopping there in 13 months. But looking at the timetable on traveline it says the 877 does and and X2 say it doesn't, that doesn't make sense to be honest.
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2021, 01:15:14 PM
The X2 is to get children to St Peter's School, they may not be able to get on if it was full of Solihull college students.
I don't see the problem. Put another bus on surely would be the answer.
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
Put another bus on surely would be the answer.
The correct answer is get off the X2 in Solihull town centre, then get the 6, 49, 76 or A12 to Blossomfield Road.
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2021, 01:33:13 PM
The correct answer is get off the X2 in Solihull town centre, then get the 6, 49, 76 or A12 to Blossomfield Road.
Or walk like I always did when I was on day release at Solihull college
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2021, 01:33:13 PM
The correct answer is get off the X2 in Solihull town centre, then get the 6, 49, 76 or A12 to Blossomfield Road.
I normally catch the A12 To bloomsfield road. Theres a few buses that go there so it shoudnt be a problem.
4627 out displaying 55...
4911 & 4871 both displaying 'X21 Woodgate' last couple of days. I can't understand why this destination was even programmed in the first place, let alone why it keeps popping up.
X2's are rammed again this morning. Bus 6854 couldn't let anyone on as it was already full to capacity. Large crowd waiting at Swan Yardley, and probably more further down the route.
X2 to Solihull and X1 to International should probably be every 10 minutes each in the peak times.
I got the 58 instead, a route which you can actually get on and get a seat.
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2021, 10:44:11 AM
X2's are rammed again this morning. Bus 6854 couldn't let anyone on as it was already full to capacity. Large crowd waiting at Swan Yardley, and probably more further down the route.
X2 to Solihull and X1 to International should probably be every 10 minutes each in the peak times.
I got the 58 instead, a route which you can actually get on and get a seat.
This could be due to the driver shortage which is affecting the whole country...
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2021, 10:44:11 AM
X2's are rammed again this morning. Bus 6854 couldn't let anyone on as it was already full to capacity. Large crowd waiting at Swan Yardley, and probably more further down the route.
X2 to Solihull and X1 to International should probably be every 10 minutes each in the peak times.
I got the 58 instead, a route which you can actually get on and get a seat.
With a driver shortage? And it's rush hour? Course they are going to get rammed! Plus no restrictions too!
Quote from: Trident4590 on September 07, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
This 95/94 inter working has been shambles, 3 buses constantly running together
A few things, I don't believe the interworkings have anything to do with this, there seems to be a lack of adjustments and huge gaps and buses missing due to the driver shortage, but this is not just affecting the 94 and 95 I have heard horror stories of the Bristol Rd and Pershore having sometimes 2 or 3 buses missing together as there is simply no driver. This problem is nationwide.
Another thing with the 94 and 95 is the traffic lights which replaced the island at the inner ring road. If you're unfortunate to get there towards city and the lights change to red, you are there for almost 3 minutes (yes I've counted it!), this gives the buses behind chance to catch up and results in a 'convoy'. And then the same applies coming the opposite way.
I wish Bham city council would fit more sensors on traffic lights which would avoid waiting unnecessarily. Would be good for this junction during the day as its simply too busy, but at night and at other locations it would help avoid delays.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 23, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
With a driver shortage? And it's rush hour? Course they are going to get rammed! Plus no restrictions too!
Exactly! ::)
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 23, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
With a driver shortage? And it's rush hour? Course they are going to get rammed! Plus no restrictions too!
The X2's like it everyday, rammed and drive past all the stops. Then the display said the next ones in 20 minutes time. Its not very good really.
Not all routes are rammed like that at rush hour this is one of the worst from what i've seen. The 60's don't need such a high frequency heading towards Cranes Park for a start from what I see so they're never rammed, beyond the Swan the X1/X2 are the main services.
Either way sooner or later they're going to increase the frequency anyway surely as the Sprint route is not really going to be every 15 minutes is it?
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2021, 10:44:11 AM
X2's are rammed again this morning. Bus 6854 couldn't let anyone on as it was already full to capacity. Large crowd waiting at Swan Yardley, and probably more further down the route.
X2 to Solihull and X1 to International should probably be every 10 minutes each in the peak times.
I got the 58 instead, a route which you can actually get on and get a seat.
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2021, 01:09:50 PM
The X2's like it everyday, rammed and drive past all the stops. Then the display said the next ones in 20 minutes time. Its not very good really.
Not all routes are rammed like that at rush hour this is one of the worst from what i've seen. The 60's don't need such a high frequency heading towards Cranes Park for a start from what I see so they're never rammed, beyond the Swan the X1/X2 are the main services.
Either way sooner or later they're going to increase the frequency anyway surely as the Sprint route is not really going to be every 15 minutes is it?
I used to travel regularly on the X1 and X2 between Bordesley and Swan Island, when I lived in South Yardley from 2016 to 2018.
What you are describing is what I would often see, so this is not a new phenomenon.
If the services can operate on time and to schedule, there are no issues. But it just needs a bit of congestion to cause delays, and as soon as gaps appear in service, then the number of intending passengers waiting at stops increases, and all they do is pile on the first bus that comes along.
And its not just those services that are affected. You get the same even along the Stratford Road corridor. I often see completely full buses on the 4 and 6, and there is nothing more disheartening than waiting ages for a 2 or 3 to show, only to be greeted by a packed out single deck, which either sails past, or I have to fight my way onto.
At least you've got the 58 as an option.
At 9am, I have had to do Newtown - Small Heath Station (Anderton Road). I found it quicker to go through the city centre, around the back of the ring road, down into Sparkbrook and back up Walford Road/Golden Pillock Road than just taking the ring road and Small Heath Highway.
They really should prioritise getting that Sprint work completed. It's the main cause of traffic jams in the area at the moment.
If NX had the driver/bus capacity, I'm sure they'd lay on additional buses between the Swan and Solihull. Perhaps change a couple of the 60s into the old 57/57A routes to alleviate the pressure?
Golden Pillock Road - I like that!
S16 & 58 are always shunned by passengers in favour of the X2 as they believe it to be a much quicker option to Solihull when in fact there is very little time difference between any of the routes between swan & Solihull
Quote from: Steveminor on September 23, 2021, 07:03:24 PM
S16 & 58 are always shunned by passengers in favour of the X2 as they believe it to be a much quicker option to Solihull when in fact there is very little time difference between any of the routes between swan & Solihull
I mean I can see where they're coming from, considering that the X2 is 'express' (your point is valid though).
Quote from: mesub on September 23, 2021, 10:08:00 PM
I mean I can see where they're coming from, considering that the X2 is 'express' (your point is valid though).
I guess the X2 is also the well established service as well, as it originates from 57/57A/957.
X2 is probably really only about 5 minutes faster I would guess, the 58 goes round the Olton area as well. 58 is better if you want a seat in the peaks though.
4631 is on the 94/95 today, in service operating as a 55. 4 weeks later.
Are the hybrids no longer used on Sundays? Enviro400s and Platinums are on the 61/63s today, and were last Sunday
The 07.54 journey from Yardley Swan to Solihull. Is now newly operated by 2 buses it seems. 4919 was the duplicate to the platinum today.
Quote from: 2206 on October 12, 2021, 09:07:17 AM
The 07.54 journey from Yardley Swan to Solihull. Is now newly operated by 2 buses it seems. 4919 was the duplicate to the platinum today.
The 07:54 Starts at the Swan and runs to St Peters School.
There's an 07:41 journey from City due at the Swan at 07:56 which terminates at Solihull Station same as last week
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2021, 09:13:01 AM
The 07:54 Starts at the Swan and runs to St Peters School.
There's an 07:41 journey from City due at the Swan at 07:56 which terminates at Solihull Station same as last week
There was a platinum infront of 4919 operating same journey (bus times shows it was 6834). There were 2 buses tracking on 7.54 yesterday as well.
I think BC run a duplicate now due to capacity problems.
The ones that come from City are normally rammed as well, one of the 08:XX journeys paticularly. And last week some college students closed all the windows and smoking on the rammed 08:XX bus.
Missing for 267 days after suffering a seized engine 6867 passed its MoT today so should be making an appearance in service soon
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2021, 03:14:36 PM
Missing for 267 days after suffering a seized engine 6867 passed its MoT today so should be making an appearance in service soon
I'm far from an expert on mechanical matters so there may be a simple explanation but how come it took so long to repair? I'm guessing it's not just a case of replacing engine parts or the whole engine which from the outside you'd assume could be done fairly quickly? Or is more of a case of having to wait for certain parts to become available or just a backlog of other vehicle faults to repair first?
Quote from: j789 on October 13, 2021, 08:14:01 PM
I'm far from an expert on mechanical matters so there may be a simple explanation but how come it took so long to repair? I'm guessing it's not just a case of replacing engine parts or the whole engine which from the outside you'd assume could be done fairly quickly? Or is more of a case of having to wait for certain parts to become available or just a backlog of other vehicle faults to repair first?
Various problems including Cummins sending a 'Euro 3' engine first of all, not a 'euro 6' one
Other parts being used to keep other buses running while it was dead. You have no doubt seen about supply chain problems on the news today, well many bus parts have been difficult to get for some time.
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2021, 08:28:29 PM
Various problems including Cummins sending a 'Euro 3' engine first of all, not a 'euro 6' one
Other parts being used to keep other buses running while it was dead. You have no doubt seen about supply chain problems on the news today, well many bus parts have been difficult to get for some time.
Just out of curiosity, this vehicle was 'new' in December 2017, so less than 3 years old, what sort of 'warranty' is offered by the manufacturers for these buses?
Quote from: Stu on October 13, 2021, 08:52:37 PM
Just out of curiosity, this vehicle was 'new' in December 2017, so less than 3 years old, what sort of 'warranty' is offered by the manufacturers for these buses?
It was damaged, not a warranty claim
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2021, 03:14:36 PM
Missing for 267 days after suffering a seized engine 6867 passed its MoT today so should be making an appearance in service soon
That's great news. Can't wait to see it back in service
Random question.
Today (like a lot of days), I saw school service 891 on Birmingham Road in Coleshill, making its way towards Coleshill School to start its journey. The bus in use was 4927, and it had its destination listed as Chelmsley Wood. I've looked up the timetable, and it says that it goes to Marston Green. Bustimes shows that it went to Marston Green as well.
Why would the destination be listed as Chelmsley when it ultimately goes to Marston Green?
6854 on the X12 to Solihull turned out of Rupert Street onto Nechells Parkway earlier while I was on 4905 on the 95. Taking a different route to normal there.
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2021, 06:47:28 PM
6854 on the X12 to Solihull turned out of Rupert Street onto Nechells Parkway earlier while I was on 4905 on the 95. Taking a different route to normal there.
Looks like they intended to go via Aston Expressway then thought twice, perhaps they saw queuing traffic, or received instructions via radio.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278539?date=2021-10-19#journeys/176116501
Saw 5505 heading down Pensnett High Street today about 10:50 looking like it was going towards Pensnett Depot
Quote from: BNH2004 on October 26, 2021, 12:30:10 PM
Saw 5505 heading down Pensnett High Street today about 10:50 looking like it was going towards Pensnett Depot
It will be going to Hartshornes which is on the same estate
Didn't know to a Hartshornes Pensnett branch.
Only knew to Bentley & the little 'outstation' at our place in Willenhall, that fixes our trucks!
Quote from: Westy on October 26, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Didn't know to a Hartshornes Pensnett branch.
Only knew to Bentley & the little 'outstation' at our place in Willenhall, that fixes our trucks!
That would make sence why 2114 has been on the pensnett trading estate for a few days now , must be a new branch maybe ?
Quote from: Westy on October 26, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Didn't know to a Hartshornes Pensnett branch.
Only knew to Bentley & the little 'outstation' at our place in Willenhall, that fixes our trucks!
There's one at Castle Vale I think as well.
Some AG vehicles tracked as going there in the past.
Quote from: 2206 on October 26, 2021, 04:57:52 PM
Theirs one at Castle Vale I think as well.
Some AG vehicles tracked as going there in the past.
No they haven't, because no AG buses have been to Castle Vale for repair since tracking has been public
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 26, 2021, 04:46:27 PM
That would make sence why 2114 has been on the pensnett trading estate for a few days now , must be a new branch maybe ?
Hartshornes are now moving all their bus work to the new site on Pensnett
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
No they haven't, because no AG buses have been to Castle Vale for repair since tracking has been public
There was definitley a few AG B7TL that tracked as going there and coming back the same day (It was off peak 9-3 hours). I saw it on the bustimes site. But it was months ago though.
They might have gone there for other reasons and not repair. I'm not sure.
Quote from: 2206 on October 26, 2021, 07:42:08 PM
There was definitley a few AG B7TL that tracked as going there and coming back the same day. I saw it on the bustimes site. But it was months ago though.
They might have gone there for other reasons and not repair. I'm not sure.
It doesn't have anything to do with buses, It is only trucks
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2021, 07:49:31 PM
It doesn't have anything to do with buses, It is only trucks
They definitely went that area and came back the same day on the tracking just north of the kingsbury road. Other than that i'm not sure why they'd go there.
Quote from: 2206 on October 26, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
They definitely went that area and came back the same day on the tracking just north of the kingsbury road. Other than that i'm not sure why they'd go there.
Just checked with someone, none go for repair, but buses have been used to collect parts
Quote from: ellspurs on October 18, 2021, 06:20:10 PM
Random question.
Today (like a lot of days), I saw school service 891 on Birmingham Road in Coleshill, making its way towards Coleshill School to start its journey. The bus in use was 4927, and it had its destination listed as Chelmsley Wood. I've looked up the timetable, and it says that it goes to Marston Green. Bustimes shows that it went to Marston Green as well.
Why would the destination be listed as Chelmsley when it ultimately goes to Marston Green?
Marston Green is not on the blind selection. Good job the kids know the score 😂
4622 displaying 55 two months later...
Quote from: Jack on November 04, 2021, 01:07:24 PM
4622 displaying 55 two months later...
Still no announcements on the X21 either, guessing the X13 will be the same.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
Still no announcements on the X21 either, guessing the X13 will be the same.
X13 has announcements.
I caught X1 Branded 6845 on there a few weeks ago with them.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
Still no announcements on the X21 either, guessing the X13 will be the same.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
X13 has announcements.
I caught an X1 Branded platinum on there a few weeks ago with them.
I think it depends on the vehicle, and whether it has all the announcements programmed in to the unit or not.
At YW garage, there are a number of Platinum/Electric vehicles that now display/announce next stops on the 2 and 3 services, but there are still some that don't. This is despite the 2 and 3 not 'officially' being Platinum routes too.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2021, 06:11:23 PM
I think it depends on the vehicle, and whether it has all the announcements programmed in to the unit or not.
At YW garage, there are a number of Platinum/Electric vehicles that now display/announce next stops on the 2 and 3 services, but there are still some that don't. This is despite the 2 and 3 not 'officially' being Platinum routes too.
Its more to do with whether the system is working, 7535's announcements don't work on the 2, 3 or even the 6 and 50. And a few of the 50 brandeds don't work. A good few of the Electrics that don't work, E010 being one off the top of my head.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
X13 has announcements.
I caught X1 Branded 6845 on there a few weeks ago with them.
Oh right, that's interesting.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2021, 06:11:23 PM
I think it depends on the vehicle, and whether it has all the announcements programmed in to the unit or not.
At YW garage, there are a number of Platinum/Electric vehicles that now display/announce next stops on the 2 and 3 services, but there are still some that don't. This is despite the 2 and 3 not 'officially' being Platinum routes too.
None of them do, it's not a case of some do or some don't, they just haven't been redone after the route change I'm guessing. When it changes to an X22 in City it says X22 to Woodgate.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
Still no announcements on the X21 either, guessing the X13 will be the same.
They're not going to care about next stop announcement if they don't even care about having a wrong service number over two months after it changed.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 02:34:24 PM
guessing the X13 will be the same.
X13's got NSA a week or so after the changes.
Quote from: Gareth on November 05, 2021, 10:26:09 PM
They're not going to care about next stop announcement if they don't even care about having a wrong service number over two months after it changed.
In all fairness though there's been no route change involved there so as poor as it is, a 55 showing up isn't going to make much difference.
Whereas some people rely on the NSA, visibly impaired people for example. Not to mention they would've helped people with the new extension of the route. Especially as people in Bartley Green have had no idea where it is supposed to stop.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 11:40:28 PM
In all fairness though there's been no route change involved there so as poor as it is, a 55 showing up isn't going to make much difference.
Whereas some people rely on the NSA, visibly impaired people for example. Not to mention they would've helped people with the new extension of the route. Especially as people in Bartley Green have had no idea where it is supposed to stop.
I wonder if the 94/95 will get them added at some point as well. As theres no announcements on there when a platinum turns up. These regularly appear on there most days, 7508 today.
Considering other non platinum routes - 60, etc have them.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 05, 2021, 11:40:28 PM
In all fairness though there's been no route change involved there so as poor as it is, a 55 showing up isn't going to make much difference.
Whereas some people rely on the NSA, visibly impaired people for example. Not to mention they would've helped people with the new extension of the route. Especially as people in Bartley Green have had no idea where it is supposed to stop.
A wrong service number isn't acceptable. A next stop announcement is just an added bonus.
I'm.aware that drivers are supposed to check.the correct destination is programmed into the blind & report it BEFORE leaving depot so it can be re-programmed, so any buses displaying incorrect numbers is now down to the drivers not reporting an issue.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 09, 2021, 02:38:57 PM
I'm.aware that drivers are supposed to check.the correct destination is programmed into the blind & report it BEFORE leaving depot so it can be re-programmed, so any buses displaying incorrect numbers is now down to the drivers not reporting an issue.
Is it as easy as reporting an incorrect destination? Will the garage team reprogramme the blind or allocate a new bus, or just tell them to "take it out and don't worry"?
Quote from: Wumpty on November 09, 2021, 03:15:23 PM
Is it as easy as reporting an incorrect destination? Will the garage team reprogramme the blind or allocate a new bus, or just tell them to "take it out and don't worry"?
It is, yes, takes less than a minute to update with a USB stick. It tends to be buses coming back off the dead list that get missed
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2021, 04:59:14 PM
It is, yes, takes less than a minute to update with a USB stick. It tends to be buses coming back off the dead list that get missed
Apologies
@Tony - what I was eluding to was the response from garage managers when reporting such issues. You are correct that it is a relatively easy process to reprogramme blinds (which you've done yourself more times than you care to remember!), though to maintain service, are the traffic office staff as focused with such matters if it means a bus leaves late/is taken out of service (spare buses permitting) or running with old blinds to reduce the risk of lost mileage?
I'm hoping that they would share our focus and do the right and proper thing as required.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 10, 2021, 10:48:32 AM
Apologies @Tony - what I was eluding to was the response from garage managers when reporting such issues. You are correct that it is a relatively easy process to reprogramme blinds (which you've done yourself more times than you care to remember!), though to maintain service, are the traffic office staff as focused with such matters if it means a bus leaves late/is taken out of service (spare buses permitting) or running with old blinds to reduce the risk of lost mileage?
I'm hoping that they would share our focus and do the right and proper thing as required.
If a driver notices before he leaves he should put it on his VCR and then it would be corrected before leaving as the serviceman won't sign a bus with incorrect destinations as fit for service. Problem is as all buses leave the garage not in service most drivers just check that is what is displayed before leaving
I believe in the case of PB the drivers have been specifically asked to check the blinds show 95 & not 55
Rumours are PB96 going to central and will still be operating at nights from PB interesting
Quote from: Nxwm on November 14, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
Rumours are PB96 going to central and will still be operating at nights from PB interesting
Don't want any deroofed double decks!
Where are the low bridges on 96?
Quote from: Jack D on November 14, 2021, 05:45:05 PM
Where are the low bridges on 96?
Erdington on Summer Road on the way to/from Kingstanding. Same one the 28 goes under.
The Erdington - Chelmsley bit could use deckers though actually like the 966 used to.
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2021, 05:48:48 PM
The Erdington - Chelmsley bit could use deckers though actually like the 966 used to.
It can and 4810 did it back on Easter Monday if I remember correctly...
Quote from: Jack on November 14, 2021, 06:02:05 PM
It can and 4810 did it back on Easter Monday if I remember correctly...
Didn't go up Summer Road though:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5976.msg290020#msg290020
Quote from: Nxwm on November 14, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
Rumours are PB96 going to central and will still be operating at nights from PB interesting
I can't see the operational logic in this, perhaps someone is winding you up.
If NX are keen to offload this route, why transfer it to another garage that doesn't operate any single-deck vehicles? Plus there's the additional dead mileage incurred.
Quote from: Stu on November 14, 2021, 06:47:55 PM
Plus there's the additional dead mileage incurred.
The schedulers might be able to make it interwork with and run off other BC routes at Chelmsley like the X13. Like how AG run the 46 route in Northfield.
I'm not saying its happening though. And as long as it goes under the low bridge it wouldn't to, as single decks wouldn't be suitable on any of those BC routes.
Quote from: Stu on November 14, 2021, 06:41:00 PM
Didn't go up Summer Road though:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5976.msg290020#msg290020
I know that, hence why I replied about the Erdington - Chelmsley section...
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2021, 06:50:22 PM
The schedulers might be able to make it interwork with and run off other BC routes at Chelmsley like the X13. Like how AG run the 46 route in Northfield.
I'm not saying its happening though. And as long as it goes under the low bridge it wouldn't to, as single decks wouldn't be suitable on any of those BC routes.
the X13 inter works with the X12 the 95 and 94 interwork so what service could it interwork with
Quote from: SK68MEV on November 15, 2021, 12:26:03 AM
the X13 inter works with the X12 the 95 and 94 interwork so what service could it interwork with
Johnsons X20's used to interwork with various southern Stratford Routes. Back in late September the X20 I caught that came in to Stratford via Henley In Arden changed onto a 50A to Banbury and one X20 came into Stratford as a 3.
This one from Saturday says it did 77 from Leamington to Stratford, X20 to Coventry via Solihull and back, 1/2 to Moreton in Marsh and then onto the 5/P&R Stratford local routes in the evening. So no reason why 3+ services can't interwork.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/195833?date=2021-11-13#
So it might be possible to schedule it to run off X13/X12, etc boards. But I doubt it as its an SD service.
That's a lot of inter working.
They need to be careful as that has been Hulleys of Baslow problems
Have national express logos been taken off the front panel of some buses ? Noticed it a few times now.
Quote from: Jack D on November 15, 2021, 12:06:04 PM
Have national express logos been taken off the front panel of some buses ? Noticed it a few times now.
None have been taken off, but a couple of buses have not had one put back on after repairs
I'm guessing there's an issue with the trains as the X21 and X22 are getting absolutely battered. Just seen an X22 just leave passengers at Uni North Gate and an X21 arrive at Uni Station towards City already full with a massive queue waiting not long after that. Not seen that many people at the Uni Station stop in quite some time.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 25, 2021, 05:45:22 PM
I'm guessing there's an issue with the trains as the X21 and X22 are getting absolutely battered. Just seen an X22 just leave passengers at Uni North Gate and an X21 arrive at Uni Station towards City already full with a massive queue waiting not long after that. Not seen that many people at the Uni Station stop in quite some time.
My 63 from uni was absolutely rammed at 3:00. Covid infestation on board
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2021, 06:12:43 PM
My 63 from uni was absolutely rammed at 3:00. Covid infestation on board
How would you know anyone had covid on the bus... Do you feel covid infestation in night clubs, Christmas market, Birmingham city centre, uni classes or any other places that have crowds? If you are double jabbed you are less likely to suffer serious illness. Yes the cases are high but hospitalisations and deaths are low.
6846 and 6847 were on the 74 earlier this evening as extras due to the football. They both operated one journey to West Bromwich Bus Station and one journey back to Birmingham.
Would love to know what time 6886 left Priory Queensway on the 22:10 service. I could see the stop from 22:06 and have been here since and there's been nothing here so how the hell is bustimes showing its already on its way down Bath Row.
Absolute shambles.
Edit: Also the 22:25 X22 non-existent.
To be honest, I doubt even the 22:10 bus showed up as the 22:40 bus ended up leaving New St pretty full.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 27, 2021, 10:18:34 PM
Would love to know what time 6886 left Priory Queensway on the 22:10 service. I could see the stop from 22:06 and have been here since and there's been nothing here so how the hell is bustimes showing its already on its way down Bath Row.
Absolute shambles.
Edit: Also the 22:25 X22 non-existent.
To be honest, I doubt even the 22:10 bus showed up as the 22:40 bus ended up leaving New St pretty full.
It left at 22:08, yes it left early and it shouldn't have done, but if you were watching from 22:06 you would have seen it arrive at 22:06 and sit there for 2 minutes
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2021, 09:07:50 AM
It left at 22:08, yes it left early and it shouldn't have done, but if you were watching from 22:06 you would have seen it arrive at 22:06 and sit there for 2 minutes
I was on the 74 going round the island at 22:06 and I could see the stop from there, there were no buses there and the app also said 3 mins. Its not possible to have missed it in the time it took to get off the 74 and over to the stop as the X21 has to go around that island too.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 28, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
I was on the 74 going round the island at 22:06 and I could see the stop from there, there were no buses there and the app also said 3 mins. Its not possible to have missed it in the time it took to get off the 74 and over to the stop as the X21 has to go around that island too.
BusTimes says it left the Old Square stop on Priory Queensway at 22:06, so you must have just missed it.
https://bustimes.org/services/x21-birmingham-woodcock-hill-via-weoley-castle/vehicles?date=2021-11-27#journeys/187218494
Tony's right, it is poor that it left four mins early, but looking at other journeys, both the X21 and X22 were being adjusted, presumably due to poor road conditions in south-west Birmingham.
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2021, 11:41:26 AM
BusTimes says it left the Old Square stop on Priory Queensway at 22:06, so you must have just missed it.
https://bustimes.org/services/x21-birmingham-woodcock-hill-via-weoley-castle/vehicles?date=2021-11-27#journeys/187218494
Tony's right, it is poor that it left four mins early, but looking at other journeys, both the X21 and X22 were being adjusted, presumably due to poor road conditions in south-west Birmingham.
That sounds more believable, and yeah perhaps I did just miss seeing it. I can put up with late running buses as things happen, but there's no excuse for leaving early in my opinion, certainly not by that much. Especially at that time of night when there's a bigger gap between services.
Anyone know what's happening with 4633, use to love driving that bus just because it sounds beautiful, not seen it on the road or even garage
Quote from: Trident4590 on November 29, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
Anyone know what's happening with 4633, use to love driving that bus just because it sounds beautiful, not seen it on the road or even garage
It is in the garage and will be back on the road soon. It has just had a replacement engine fitted
Quote from: Trident4590 on November 29, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
Anyone know what's happening with 4633, use to love driving that bus just because it sounds beautiful, not seen it on the road or even garage
4474 hasn't been out since April, is this one ever going to return, especially with it being a Euro 6'd one?
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2021, 06:18:09 PM
4474 hasn't been out since April, is this one ever going to return, especially with it being a Euro 6'd one?
It also needs a replacement engine, but is at the back of the queue for labour
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2021, 06:57:20 PM
It also needs a replacement engine, but is at the back of the queue for labour
Thanks for confirming.
Looks like the temporary stop signs on Woodcock Lane have disappeared, but drivers are still stopping where they were.
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2021, 05:40:01 PM
It is in the garage and will be back on the road soon. It has just had a replacement engine fitted
can you confirm if it's a euro 3 or 4 variant of the trident engine?
What's happened to 4896? I don't think its seen service at all this year?
5513 has gained an LED advert for Greggs.
Also notice the X21 has finally regained its next stop announcements. Still not fixed the Gibbins Road stop though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 11, 2021, 05:50:20 PMAlso notice the X21 has finally regained its next stop announcements. Still not fixed the Gibbins Road stop though.
The Gregory Avenue announcement hasn't been removed either (X21 is no longer on the flag and hasn't been for a while) and the temporary stops on Woodcock Lane are not included. Another half-arsed job, it seems, along with the branding. I understand things like NSA are not much of a priority right now, and that bus companies have 'bigger fish to fry' so to speak, hence why it's taken nearly 4 months to get them back on the X21. However, to get around to it and then not do it properly is pretty damn poor in all fairness. Simple fixes that could've been done whilst adding the stops for the extension to Bartley Green.
X21's Destination is now Woodgate and not Bartley Green.
Quote from: mesub on December 13, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
X21's Destination is now Woodgate and not Bartley Green.
No it isn't, it's been showing Bartley Green today from the ones I've seen.
There's 2 trips that start and end at the Woodgate, Wood Lane terminus early on Sunday mornings, that's probably why it's programmed in and some drivers probably use it by mistake.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 13, 2021, 02:40:05 PM
No it isn't, it's been showing Bartley Green today from the ones I've seen.
There's 2 trips that start and end at the Woodgate, Wood Lane terminus early on Sunday mornings, that's probably why it's programmed in and some drivers probably use it by mistake.
Makes sense, I've seen both in use today.
Quote from: mesub on December 13, 2021, 04:16:36 PM
Makes sense, I've seen both in use today.
Bartley Green should be the one to use. Woodgate is on there as well, I think there is a Sunday journey that terminates at the X22 terminus and goes straight into the next journey, as opposed to running dead between the two termini as the late night buses do.
Quote from: AndrewLee on December 15, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
Bartley Green should be the one to use. Woodgate is on there as well, I think there is a Sunday journey that terminates at the X22 terminus and goes straight into the next journey, as opposed to running dead between the two termini as the late night buses do.
It's the first 2 Sunday journeys both ways.
Slightly curious as to why. Perhaps it's just for operational reasons, but even then I can't work out what the benefit is.
The 19:15 94 to Ward End in City Centre never showed up today. I'd been waiting since 19:05 and got 4911 on the 19:30 95.
Quote from: 2206 on December 19, 2021, 08:04:11 PM
The 19:15 94 to Ward End in City Centre never showed up today. I'd been waiting since 19:05 and got 4911 on the 19:30 95.
Nothing to do with Birmingham Central garage. Journey should have been operated by PB 6113 which had to return to garage for some reason on the trip before and then restarted the 1915 trip at the Fox & Goose
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2021, 08:35:24 PM
Nothing to do with Birmingham Central garage. Journey should have been operated by PB 6113 which had to return to garage for some reason on the trip before and then restarted the 1915 trip at the Fox & Goose
Thanks for the info, I was wondering what happened to it, so that makes sense.
Didn't know if that journey was supposed to be PB or BC ran.
Looking at the new X21/X22 timetable from next week (to 'improve reliability') I don't know if there's an error but they're every 7-8 mins towards City between half 4 and 5 but still every 10 mins from City so I don't know how that works.
Also, there appears to be a random X21 that starts at Weoley Castle Square towards City at 15:26, 10 minutes after the previous one, and leaving a 30 min gap between X22s instead of 20 mins.
Both on Mon-Fri. Saturday and Sunday seems basically the same as before.
So yeah not sure if they're errors or intentional is all.
Didn't realise at the time but it looks like two additional X21 journeys have also been added Mon-Fri from City too (8:10 short to Weoley Castle and 8:30 short to Uni Station which appears appears go onto the 25 after).
Also if bustimes is accurate doesn't appear to be much interworking anymore.
Don't know if its been mentioned before but looks like the 97 has NSA now.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 20, 2022, 04:59:36 PM
Don't know if its been mentioned before but looks like the 97 has NSA now.
They've had them for ages now, I remember them having them for it since last April. Only the 14 and the Washwood Heath Road services at BC are the only services to not have them.
Quote from: Jack on January 20, 2022, 05:13:40 PM
They've had them for ages now, I remember them having them for it since last April. Only the 14 and the Washwood Heath Road services at BC are the only services to not have them.
Does the 25 have them?
Quote from: 2206 on January 20, 2022, 05:14:41 PM
Does the 25 have them?
No, don't think they'd do them for a tendered service...
What's an NSA?
Ah, just come to me. Next Stop announcement?
Getting a bit sick of buses leaving stops early now. This time it was the 10:40 X21 from Weoley Castle Square leaving at 10:37. May not sound like much but it can be the difference between catching your bus or not and when you have 20 minutes wait for the next one it's not ideal.
Is this sort of thing acceptable now then? Drivers can just leave whenever they feel like it because they can't be bothered to wait their time.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 26, 2022, 10:49:24 AM
Getting a bit sick of buses leaving stops early now. This time it was the 10:40 X21 from Weoley Castle Square leaving at 10:37. May not sound like much but it can be the difference between catching your bus or not and when you have 20 minutes wait for the next one it's not ideal.
Is this sort of thing acceptable now then? Drivers can just leave whenever they feel like it because they can't be bothered to wait their time.
theyre could be several reasons why a driver leaves early he may have been told by control too leave early because they're is a delay further down maybe them 3 minutes could make a difference
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 29, 2022, 01:31:18 AM
theyre could be several reasons why a driver leaves early he may have been told by control too leave early because they're is a delay further down maybe them 3 minutes could make a difference
There shouldn't be any reasons why a driver leaves early.
Quote from: Gareth on January 29, 2022, 05:12:19 AM
There shouldn't be any reasons why a driver leaves early.
Exactly.
Remember there could be a timing difference between your watch/device & the drivers etm. The ETM time is the drivers Bible even if it is incorrect the driver should be running to it
Quote from: Steveminor on January 29, 2022, 08:50:10 PM
Remember there could be a timing difference between your watch/device & the drivers etm. The ETM time is the drivers Bible even if it is incorrect the driver should be running to it
Yep, or at my work, if the tacho is slow, a coach doesn't depart until it reaches the departure time on there. If it's slightly fast, then it'll depart based on the actual time.
There's not really much excuse on service buses these days with Ticketer/Init machines, both of which show the time along with an indicator on if you're early, on time or late.
Quote from: DJ on January 29, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Yep, or at my work, if the tacho is slow, a coach doesn't depart until it reaches the departure time on there. If it's slightly fast, then it'll depart based on the actual time.
There's not really much excuse on service buses these days with Ticketer/Init machines, both of which show the time along with an indicator on if you're early, on time or late.
As Steve said, ticket machines can be slightly inaccurate
Seen a 23/24 branded platinum at Acocks green not sure why
Quote from: Gareth on February 08, 2022, 04:53:24 PM
5504 is on the 94/95 this afternoon. I believe this to be the first time one has appeared on these routes.
Definitely not.
5511 was on on the 94/95 several weeks ago on the board that does the 891 school service. That being one of several that have appeared. The first I recall seeing was in March 2020 AM peak 94 BC board.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278484?date=2022-01-11
None have ever done the X12/X13 I think though, as far as I know.
Quote from: 2206 on February 08, 2022, 07:40:22 PM
Definitely not.
5511 was on on the 94/95 several weeks ago on the board that does the 891 school service. That being one of several that have appeared. The first I recall seeing was in March 2020 AM peak 94 BC board.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278484?date=2022-01-11
None have ever done the X12/X13 I think though, as far as I know.
5511 slipped onto the X12 at some point last year
https://www.facebook.com/groups/psvcircle/permalink/5140298379321664/
To be fair they seem to be away from BC a lot these days judging by the away from home garage thread, getting fixed or whatever. Does anyone know why that is?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 09, 2022, 07:15:18 AM
To be fair they seem to be away from BC a lot these days judging by the away from home garage thread, getting fixed or whatever. Does anyone know why that is?
Hartshornes do most major maintenance. And Graysons have been fitting e-fans
X21/X22's on University corridor were packed with full standing loads this afternoon.
6837 and then 4945 drove straight past St James Road stop with full standing loads at about 15:00. The next one 6881 stopped with standing load.
Quote from: 2206 on February 25, 2022, 06:34:07 PM
X21/X22's on University corridor were packed with full standing loads this afternoon.
6837 and then 4945 drove straight past St James Road stop with full standing loads at about 15:00. The next one 6881 stopped with standing load.
The X21/X22 definitely does need some frequency increases, especially during peak times where there are school kids + university students, often leaving many buses packed to the brim.
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 28, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
The X21/X22 definitely does need some frequency increases, especially during peak times where there are school kids + university students, often leaving many buses packed to the brim.
There's a few routes NX would like to increase frequencies on, but cannot until the staff situation eases
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 28, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
The X21/X22 definitely does need some frequency increases, especially during peak times where there are school kids + university students, often leaving many buses packed to the brim.
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2022, 05:49:31 PM
There's a few routes NX would like to increase frequencies on, but cannot until the staff situation eases
So frequency increase on X21/X22 might happen eventually then or even a return of the X20 maybe.
Quote from: 2206 on February 28, 2022, 06:57:25 PM
So frequency increase on X21/X22 might happen eventually then or even a return of the X20 maybe.
Or maybe just create short City to University route.
Quote from: 2206 on February 28, 2022, 06:57:25 PM
So frequency increase on X21/X22 might happen eventually then or even a return of the X20 maybe.
If the X20 does return (which I don't easily believe will happen), I think there's a possibility that it'll only run to Northfield, possibly Longbridge.
Quote from: mesub on March 01, 2022, 08:51:19 PM
If the X20 does return (which I don't easily believe will happen), I think there's a possibility that it'll only run to Northfield, possibly Longbridge.
If it did ever return, it could presumably replace the 20 which currently runs to Cofton Hackett every 20 minutes.
Plus would need extra vehicles than currently used on the 20 with an extension into the City Centre and also double decks instead of Scanias I guess.
Quote from: mesub on March 01, 2022, 08:51:19 PM
If the X20 does return (which I don't easily believe will happen), I think there's a possibility that it'll only run to Northfield, possibly Longbridge.
It would depend on the reason for its withdrawal, surely.
Quote from: mesub on March 01, 2022, 08:51:19 PM
If the X20 does return (which I don't easily believe will happen), I think there's a possibility that it'll only run to Northfield, possibly Longbridge.
There's no point it running to Northfield or Longbridge because Rednal still needs to be served.
My prediction is that if more buses are put on the University routes then the X21 and X22 will both be increased to every 15 minutes each.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 02, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
There's no point it running to Northfield or Longbridge because Rednal still needs to be served.
My prediction is that if more buses are put on the University routes then the X21 and X22 will both be increased to every 15 minutes each.
I would agree with you, but perhaps the frequency increase is only required at busier times.
Restoring the X20 would require undoing other changes that were made, for example to the 27 and 45, so I would doubt that is going to happen. The current arrangement for the 20 uses 2 vehicles, which come off the 27 at Cofton Hackett, and is probably the most efficient way cost-wise of running that service. The Bristol Road between Longbridge, Northfield and Selly Oak is of course well served by the 61 and 63 services, which both continue to the city centre.
Quote from: Stu on March 02, 2022, 07:05:44 PM
Restoring the X20 would require undoing other changes that were made, for example to the 27 and 45
Couldn't the 27 be retimetabled to make it a stand alone service if that new section is well used though. So would not necessarily mean having to reverse changes.
Quote from: Stu on March 02, 2022, 07:05:44 PM
The current arrangement for the 20 uses 2 vehicles
Also the 20 is a 1 hour round trip looking at the timetable, so it would use 3 buses at a time I would think.
Quote from: 2206 on March 02, 2022, 07:07:42 PM
Couldn't the 27 be retimetabled to make it a stand alone service if that new section is well used though. So would not necessarily mean having to reverse changes. Also the 20 is a 1 hour round trip looking at the timetable, so it would use 3 buses at a time I would think.
The 27 was extended from Longbridge station to Cofton Hackett using part of the 45 route which was altered, also by terminating there it was able to efficiently interwork with the new 20 service. That extension alone probably required an extra bus, and if there was no 20 journey to go onto, then there would be a relatively long layover time at Cofton Hackett.
You may be right about using 3 buses, but whenever I've glanced at BusTimes I usually only see two buses at a time on the 20, so its perhaps one of those 'odd' services that has a PVR of 2.5 buses, or something fractional like that, due to the nature of the interworking.
just my two cents
surely you don't need to change any of the routes and just add a peak time X20 service similar to the current 936/937 set up
Quote from: OH25 on March 05, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
just my two cents
surely you don't need to change any of the routes and just add a peak time X20 service similar to the current 936/937 set up
936's aren't added in peaks, they run instead of 934's
Quote from: OH25 on March 05, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
just my two cents
surely you don't need to change any of the routes and just add a peak time X20 service similar to the current 936/937 set up
I always thought the people of Bartley Green were in uproar at the effective cut back in service from the old 22 to the new X22, so would have thought if anything then just up the frequency of the X22 (unless of course, people at the time were moaning for the sake of moaning when something changed, but that never happens does it?....)
Both the X21 and X22 should've been upped to every 15 mins when the X20 disappeared to be honest. It was always going to get busier once the students returned to the Uni.
Can't see it happening though
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 05, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
Both the X21 and X22 should've been upped to every 15 mins when the X20 disappeared to be honest. It was always going to get busier once the students returned to the Uni.
Can't see it happening though
At the time those changes were made, you have to remember that passenger levels were vastly reduced, also due to lockdown measures, most students were studying at home with lectures/lessons being held remotely.
Tony has already suggested here that NX are keen to increase frequencies on some routes now, however it is continuing driver shortages that are holding this back. While he's not able to specifically confirm, the 'hint' is that the X21 and X22 will be two of these due for an increase. But I suspect this would only be required during peak times, and NX themselves will have loading data to justify this.
Current capacity/overcrowding issues on these services are probably not helped by ongoing train service cancellations / reduced frequency on the CrossCity line. Where passengers who may use the train find themselves having to use the bus instead to get from city centre to University station.
And traffic congestion around the city centre area isn't helping with bus service reliability either, which causes gaps in service to appear and then exacerbates the capacity/overcrowding problems.
Quote from: Stu on March 05, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
Current capacity/overcrowding issues on these services are probably not helped by ongoing train service cancellations / reduced frequency on the CrossCity line. Where passengers who may use the train find themselves having to use the bus instead to get from city centre to University station.
It always used to be a busy service. With the X20 pre covid all the buses used to be full with people going to the Hospital and University, school times, etc. So I think it was certainly a strange decision to cut it back permanently without increasing the X21/X22.
The train service is also still running as far as I know, so i'm not sure that would wholly be the problem.
Also on the Coventry Rd corridor I wonder how these (X1/X2's) will run once the sprint service starts and what frequency in the summer? Presumably they will be more reliable to and serving the new stop at Small Heath Station to.
Quote from: 2206 on March 05, 2022, 07:11:54 PM
It always used to be a busy service. With the X20 pre covid all the buses used to be full with people going to the Hospital and University, school times, etc. So I think it was certainly a strange decision to cut it back permanently without increasing the X21/X22.
The train service is also still running as far as I know, so i'm not sure that would wholly be the problem.
A lot of bus services were busy 'pre-Covid'. During the pandemic, many became 'less busy'.
Government support can only go so far though. It doesn't seem to me to be a 'strange decision' to cut back those services, if the passenger demand wasn't there to justify the frequencies being operated.
And yes, the train service is still running, but as I pointed out, sporadic cancellations, and a reduced frequency, will see more train users heading for the bus instead.
Quote from: Stu on March 05, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
At the time those changes were made, you have to remember that passenger levels were vastly reduced, also due to lockdown measures, most students were studying at home with lectures/lessons being held remotely.
Tony has already suggested here that NX are keen to increase frequencies on some routes now, however it is continuing driver shortages that are holding this back. While he's not able to specifically confirm, the 'hint' is that the X21 and X22 will be two of these due for an increase. But I suspect this would only be required during peak times, and NX themselves will have loading data to justify this.
Current capacity/overcrowding issues on these services are probably not helped by ongoing train service cancellations / reduced frequency on the CrossCity line. Where passengers who may use the train find themselves having to use the bus instead to get from city centre to University station.
And traffic congestion around the city centre area isn't helping with bus service reliability either, which causes gaps in service to appear and then exacerbates the capacity/overcrowding problems.
Yeah, I know. Which is why I said when the students went back. But obviously at the time passenger levels were nowhere near normal so I can understand the caution.
They were generally busy before the pandemic anyway to be fair, trains or not.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 05, 2022, 07:47:06 PM
Yeah, I know. Which is why I said when the students went back. But obviously at the time passenger levels were nowhere near normal so I can understand the caution.
They were generally busy before the pandemic anyway to be fair, trains or not.
As a regular on the X21 and X22, I must say the X21 from Weoley castle to university is far busier than the x22 gets between Bartley green and university. Whenever I catch these services out of Birmingham regardless of the time of the day they are usually pretty much full by the 3rd stop out of Birmingham.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 05, 2022, 10:26:38 PM
As a regular on the X21 and X22, I must say the X21 from Weoley castle to university is far busier than the x22 gets between Bartley green and university. Whenever I catch these services out of Birmingham regardless of the time of the day they are usually pretty much full by the 3rd stop out of Birmingham.
To be fair, the X21 has a wider area to serve than the X22 which is most likely why.
Quote from: mesub on March 05, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
To be fair, the X21 has a wider area to serve than the X22 which is most likely why.
Well must say the people in these areas may have quicker routes but deteriorating levels of services over the years. I get it's to do with changing habits bla bla.
22 was every 15 mins
21 every 15 mins
29 was 10 mins etc
Quote from: mesub on March 05, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
To be fair, the X21 has a wider area to serve than the X22 which is most likely why.
What makes you say that? It serves more of Bartley Green, Kitwell and the Quinton Road which was well served by the 29.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2022, 05:17:15 AM
Well must say the people in these areas may have quicker routes but deteriorating levels of services over the years. I get it's to do with changing habits bla bla.
22 was every 15 mins
21 every 15 mins
29 was 10 mins etc
It is doing well during the peak hours but daytime, it is kind of a dead. It might be worth trying to split and send half through Harborne High St to make good use out of it just for the daytime.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2022, 05:17:15 AM
Well must say the people in these areas may have quicker routes but deteriorating levels of services over the years. I get it's to do with changing habits bla bla.
22 was every 15 mins
21 every 15 mins
29 was 10 mins etc
I think the 23 increased in frequency as well when the 22 was withdrawn to maintain the frequency.
Quote from: Sayeed on March 06, 2022, 01:42:58 PM
It is doing well during the peak hours but daytime, it is kind of a dead. It might be worth trying to split and send half through Harborne High St to make good use out of it just for the daytime.
What route are you talking about here?
Quote from: 2206 on March 06, 2022, 02:07:42 PM
I think the 23 increased in frequency as well when the 22 was withdrawn to maintain the frequency.
Yes it was, but obviously there are parts of the 22 the 23 didn't and still doesn't serve.
I should of said Weoley castle area doesn't seemed to have benefited to well over the years.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 06, 2022, 10:49:50 AM
What makes you say that? It serves more of Bartley Green, Kitwell and the Quinton Road which was well served by the 29.
Thinking about it more now actually, I see where you're coming from. To me though, the X21
feels like it has more places to serve (in terms of distance/mileage).
I was on 6831 on the X2 this morning. As it pulled into Solihull Station just before 9.00, someone asked me how much further it was to Coventry University. Seemed to have thought they were on the X1.
Was it in X1 livery? Many X2s are.
Quote from: Stevo on March 10, 2022, 06:18:21 PM
Was it in X1 livery? Many X2s are.
6831 is X2 Branded.
Quote from: 2206 on March 10, 2022, 01:38:40 PM
I was on 6831 on the X2 this morning. As it pulled into Solihull Station just before 9.00, someone asked me how much further it was to Coventry University. Seemed to have thought they were on the X1.
Quote from: Stevo on March 10, 2022, 06:18:21 PM
Was it in X1 livery? Many X2s are.
Quote from: 2206 on March 10, 2022, 06:19:39 PM
6831 is X2 Branded.
No-one to blame here except themselves for not paying attention.
In my line of work (ecommerce) it is amazing (though not surprising) how many people just go by 'assumption' rather than checking out details for themselves.
And I see this behaviour reflected elsewhere, where people don't pay attention to detail (usually because they're distracted by their mobile phone), so this person was likely waiting at a bus stop where the X1 stops, a bus then pulls up, then without checking, they've 'assumed' it was the X1 to Coventry, and just got on board.
Also, as these buses have next-stop audio/visual announcements, they must have either been deaf, or wearing headphones while staring at their phone, as they must not have noticed the regular "X2 to Solihull Station" announcements!
Are the Tridents that have been out of service for months any closer to coming back (4474, 4595/8, 4602)?
Quote from: Jack on March 17, 2022, 09:53:53 PM
Are the Tridents that have been out of service for months any closer to coming back (4474, 4595/8, 4602)?
4598 will be next, hopefully next week
The 15:03 23 didn't operate today, and the next few journeys are 15+ minutes late (15:23, 15:21 etc). Apart from the driver shortage (which I understand), was there anything in the city centre that caused these delays?
Quote from: mesub on March 18, 2022, 04:07:18 PM
The 15:03 23 didn't operate today, and the next few journeys are 15+ minutes late (15:23, 15:21 etc). Apart from the driver shortage (which I understand), was there anything in the city centre that caused these delays?
Yes, a broken down bus at Old Square
Small Heath roadworks are causing chaos for the X1/X2 services. Buses over an hour late
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 18, 2022, 08:00:31 PM
Small Heath roadworks are causing chaos for the X1/X2 services. Buses over an hour late
Its been like that for the last six months and more. ::)
Quote from: Stu on March 18, 2022, 08:17:31 PM
Its been like that for the last six months and more. ::)
Small Heath Highway might be closed though from my understanding. Which would likely exacerbate it.
6831 was 20 down this morning on the 8.12.
Quote from: 2206 on March 18, 2022, 08:31:34 PM
Small Heath Highway might be closed though from my understanding. Which would likely exacerbate it.
6831 was 20 down this morning on the 8.12.
Yeah there are partial closures for the next three weeks, but the point I made was that both the X1 and X2 have suffered as a result of these Sprint works for the last few months, and regularly get delayed, and the ongoing roadworks in Digbeth for the Metro extension haven't helped either.
Driver of 6865 had to transfer passengers on the 23 since one person decided they weren't going to pay.
Isn't there a button on the ticket machine to log non payers? Paying passengers should not be subjected to disruption and transferring buses. People who don't pay fares make me so angry but punishing everyone else is just wrong.
Quote from: Gareth on March 22, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Isn't there a button on the ticket machine to log none payers? Paying passengers should not be subjected to disruption and transferring buses. People who don't pay fares make me so angry but punishing everyone else is just wrong.
Pretty sure there's still the (pink?) anomaly button.
Quote from: Gareth on March 22, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Isn't there a button on the ticket machine to log non payers? Paying passengers should not be subjected to disruption and transferring buses. People who don't pay fares make me so angry but punishing everyone else is just wrong.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 22, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
2 passengers get on my 11C at harborne today sit behind me drinking their cans of beer or whatever shit they are drinking and then light up a cigarette right behind me.
Nuisance passenger to blame for disruption. Not driver. Quite obvious other passengers shouldn't have to put up with this or what trident4194 said in his earlier post about the passengers smoking. But some people show a complete disregard to other customers and make everyones journey unpleasent.
There was a girl vaping on the X2 this morning to even though quite clear she's not supposed to.
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2022, 09:39:31 PM
There was a girl vaping on the X2 this morning to even though quite clear she's not supposed to.
vaping is a normality now almost every kid who sits right at the back upstairs vape drivers know yet sadly do nothing about it
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 23, 2022, 12:55:51 AM
vaping is a normality now almost every kid who sits right at the back upstairs vape drivers know yet sadly do nothing about it
A) do the drivers know
B) what do you expect them to do?
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2022, 06:06:51 AM
A) do the drivers know
B) what do you expect them to do?
most busses have cctv screens in drivers cabs so they can keep an eye upstairs if your forgetting MMCs have two screens it's pretty obvious a cloud of smoke i've been on a 95 and the whole bus stunk of week only too go upstairs too see people at the back smoking weed happens regularly especially in the evenings loud music playing bud smelling of weed and drivers continue too drive
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 25, 2022, 12:03:06 AM
most busses have cctv screens in drivers cabs so they can keep an eye upstairs if your forgetting MMCs have two screens it's pretty obvious a cloud of smoke i've been on a 95 and the whole bus stunk of week only too go upstairs too see people at the back smoking weed happens regularly especially in the evenings loud music playing bud smelling of weed and drivers continue too drive
So put the driver at risk to go upstairs and have a word?
Yes it's annoying, but there's a button for it, and hopefully the more it's recorded it'll get dealt with
Quote from: DC3 on March 25, 2022, 01:08:35 AM
So put the driver at risk to go upstairs and have a word?
Yes it's annoying, but there's a button for it, and hopefully the more it's recorded it'll get dealt with
Do bus drivers really get paid enough to risk their lives these days, same with shop workers. Not worth the risk.
4912 has been vandalised, its been operating with yellow graffiti on the back of it today. Seen at 9 this morning and again this evening.
Looks like 7519 might be off the road for a bit after a bump in Solihull, that's definitely one way to wake up in the morning.
7519 incident in solihull.jpg
With the University Station redevelopment Well underway now and due to finish this year, I wonder if it'll have an effect on the X21/X22. I.e make train travel more appealing?
I saw 4468 on the 97 on Nechells Parkway at about 17:10. Heading into town.
Quite far off route there.
probably football diversion
4598 out on the 97 today. First time in service for 229 days. Other long missing tridents should also be back soon
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2022, 06:18:48 PM4598 out on the 97 today. First time in service for 229 days. Other long missing tridents should also be back soon
Presumably that's allowed some other Tridents to pass over to YW?
All garages had an excess of buses as there was a hope that frequencies could be increased from April. Now that is not possible with current staff levels the excess buses are being withdrawn, or if euro 6 moved to other garage to replace vehicles which are not euro 6.
This is possible as with new buses due to arrive in the next few weeks any frequency increases that are possible can be covered by the new buses.
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2022, 06:44:05 PMAll garages had an excess of buses as there was a hope that frequencies could be increased from April. Now that is not possible with current staff levels the excess buses are being withdrawn, or if euro 6 moved to other garage to replace vehicles which are not euro 6.
This is possible as with new buses due to arrive in the next few weeks any frequency increases that are possible can be covered by the new buses.
Thanks for the insight, I wasn't complaining really, despite their age its nice having Tridents back regularly on the 2 and 3 at YW, which from my own observations and experiences are getting busier again, certainly at peak times at least.
4473 currently out on an afternoon peak board on the 45/47. Another long term missing trident repaired and in service for the first time this year
Another long term returnee which hasn't run this year is 6861, just come out on the X2
I can't remember which thread it was from, but as it relates to a BC service, I'll mention it here.
There was speculation of the 14 becoming single deck operated during a possible diversion due to the demolition of Saltley Viaduct from this summer until autumn 2023.
Works have now been postponed and this work will now not happen until 2024.
Quote from: Gareth on April 29, 2022, 09:49:30 AMI can't remember which thread it was from, but as it relates to a BC service, I'll mention it here.
There was speculation of the 14 becoming single deck operated during a possible diversion due to the demolition of Saltley Viaduct from this summer until autumn 2023.
Works have now been postponed and this work will now not happen until 2024.
Good job really from what I saw today 14 can't cope with city centre crowds as it is.
6888 missing the 7 from the 7 mins on the far side. I'm sure it's not the only one too. I think one of them even still says 6 mins.
Quote from: Gareth on April 29, 2022, 09:49:30 AMI can't remember which thread it was from, but as it relates to a BC service, I'll mention it here.
There was speculation of the 14 becoming single deck operated during a possible diversion due to the demolition of Saltley Viaduct from this summer until autumn 2023.
Works have now been postponed and this work will now not happen until 2024.
I really hope the planned 14 swop to PB doesn't happen now. As you mentioned the 14 was planned to go single decker, this would have been deadly during the daytime as the 14s get very full quick with double deckers.
If it is 2024, it could coincide with the closure of BC as that is the rumoured closure date.
The garage route swop not happening would save costs and disruption
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 10, 2022, 10:34:57 AMI really hope the planned 14 swop to PB doesn't happen now. As you mentioned the 14 was planned to go single decker, this would have been deadly during the daytime as the 14s get very full quick with double deckers.
If it is 2024, it could coincide with the closure of BC as that is the rumoured closure date.
The garage route swop not happening would save costs and disruption
But when Saltley Viaduct is closed, the 14 is still going to need single-decks unless another diversion route can be found.
Quote from: Stu on May 10, 2022, 06:36:53 PMBut when Saltley Viaduct is closed, the 14 is still going to need single-decks unless another diversion route can be found.
Yes, I agree, but my point is - if Saltley Viaduct closes in 2024 then surely wait until then to implement single deckers.
Until then keep things as they are...
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 10, 2022, 07:52:04 PMYes, I agree, but my point is - if Saltley Viaduct closes in 2024 then surely wait until then to implement single deckers.
Until then keep things as they are...
That has always been the plan as far as I understand.
This rumour about the 14 started last year I think, when the Saltley Viaduct works were originally planned for this year.
If those works aren't going to happen until 2024 now, then nothing needs to change in the meantime.
4602 has just passed an MoT today, that's another of the long term missing Tridents back. last used 16th November 2021
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2022, 02:30:32 PM4602 has just passed an MoT today, that's another of the long term missing Tridents back. last used 16th November 2021
Will it remain at BC?
Quote from: Stu on May 10, 2022, 06:36:53 PMBut when Saltley Viaduct is closed, the 14 is still going to need single-decks unless another diversion route can be found.
i mean it could come up washwood heath road down aston church road and down the a47 like the rest of the routes will
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 12, 2022, 01:29:03 PMi mean it could come up washwood heath road down aston church road and down the a47 like the rest of the routes will
That would of course be the 'alternative', albeit a lengthy diversion for the 14.
I think it has been 'assumed' that the 14 would continue along Duddeston Mill Road and onto Adderley Road to then rejoin normal route, which is why the suggestion has been made about use of single decks.
Another of the long term missing tridents has been signed off fit today. 4595 after 238 days, although it wasn't needed this afternoon. Should come out tomorrow. The longest missing of them all, 4474, not been out for 377 days was driven around the garage today for the first time in a year
7527 was duplicating 6892 on the X2 this morning. Normally worked by just the 1 bus which spends most of the day on the X2.
Another of the long term VoR Tridents 4626 has ventured out this afternoon on the Pershore Road
Not sure if this should be in the oddities thread or not but 6881 on the X21 to Bartley Green had an NSA announcement for the Ernest St stop on Bath Row. Still only says 80 on the flag and it didn't say Bexhill Grove afterwards, nor did it happen towards City so I'm hoping it was just an error.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 06, 2022, 06:56:14 PMNot sure if this should be in the oddities thread or not but 6881 on the X21 to Bartley Green had an NSA announcement for the Ernest St stop on Bath Row. Still only says 80 on the flag and it didn't say Bexhill Grove afterwards, nor did it happen towards City so I'm hoping it was just an error.
Okay so it's the same on 6882, so clearly not a mistake. Who's bright idea is this? The 80 is every 10 mins anyway, what's the point?
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 07, 2022, 08:04:15 AMOkay so it's the same on 6882, so clearly not a mistake. Who's bright idea is this? The 80 is every 10 mins anyway, what's the point?
So what "Limited Stop" section of the route now remains? I thought it was only a couple of stops on Bath Row that the X21/22 missed out.
Quote from: Mike K on June 07, 2022, 07:14:39 PMSo what "Limited Stop" section of the route now remains? I thought it was only a couple of stops on Bath Row that the X21/22 missed out.
Limited stop has ended then it seems, if it stops at those 80 stops. The 20 also serves all stops on the Bristol Road as of August 2021.
They'll probably keep the route numbers though as nothing wrong with them, saves having to alter the branding on the platinums and change all the stops.
Quote from: 2206 on June 07, 2022, 07:27:44 PMLimited stop has ended then it seems, if it stops at those 80 stops. The 20 also serves all stops on the Bristol Road as of August 2021.
They'll probably keep the route numbers though as nothing wrong with them, saves having to alter the branding on the platinums and change all the stops.
They need to change the frequency on the branding to up to every 10 minutes from 5th June, so they could always remove the 'X' and
FAST at the same time.
The X prefixes on these routes have been misleading for a while.
Quote from: Mike K on June 07, 2022, 09:00:59 PMThey need to change the frequency on the branding to up to every 10 minutes from 5th June, so they could always remove the 'X' and FAST at the same time.
The X prefixes on these routes have been misleading for a while.
When I caught it last week it was quite Fast, it got to the QE/University Station in about 15 - 20 minutes via a direct route. There's nothing at all misleading about that.
Frequency decreases as of 5th June could also be in part due to early summer timetables, the X21/X22 timetable could change again in September.
Quote from: Mike K on June 07, 2022, 07:14:39 PMSo what "Limited Stop" section of the route now remains? I thought it was only a couple of stops on Bath Row that the X21/22 missed out.
Exactly. Might as well scrap the 'X' now and renumber them 21/22 (which should've happened anyway when the last load of changes were made). Really disappointing though as the 80 is frequent anyway, and besides the outbound stop only had the 80 previously as the 23/24 only went in one direction.
Quote from: 2206 on June 07, 2022, 09:55:22 PMWhen I caught it last week it was quite Fast, it got to the QE/University Station in about 15 - 20 minutes via a direct route. There's nothing at all misleading about that.
Frequency decreases as of 5th June could also be in part due to early summer timetables, the X21/X22 timetable could change again in September.
They can get to the Uni Station in decent time sometimes but don't forget there will be less traffic in the coming weeks. I agree with Mike that the 'Fast' description is a bit ambitious most of the time.
I can't see the frequency increasing in September to be honest.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 07, 2022, 10:19:29 PMI can't see the frequency increasing in September to be honest.
They still haven't changed the X1 branding from last September I think. "Every 15 to Airport Every 30 to Coventry"
Well, drivers are still missing out the Ernest St stop anyway despite the NSA and flag update lol.
So now X21 and X22 have been removed from the flag of the Five Ways Station stop on Bath Row but the timetable is still in the shelter. What is actually going on lol
14:47 and 15:06 consecutive departures on the main service between Solihull and Birmingham X2 failed to operate today. Leaving a gap in service of an hour.
On a week when there are also no trains as well.
6847 turned up at 15:33.
The 1447 started from the Swan due to late running, the 15:06 started in Solihull town centre. Birmingham Central must be one of the few large bus garages in the country that has enough drivers to cover all the work most days at the moment
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2022, 05:36:36 PMThe 1447 started from the Swan due to late running, the 15:06 started in Solihull town centre. Birmingham Central must be one of the few large bus garages in the country that has enough drivers to cover all the work most days at the moment
The 15:06 was probably supposed to be the 75XX that changed the number from X2 Solihull Station to Not In Sevice and then drove off.
From the tracking 7528 went Dead to Moor Street at 15:15.
6843 also ran in between from the college
6843 - SN66 WFM – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278523?date=2022-06-23#journeys/277679940)
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2022, 05:52:19 PM6843 also ran in between from the college
6843 - SN66 WFM – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278523?date=2022-06-23#journeys/277679940)
That ones timetabled to start there. No good for the passengers who were waiting for the X2 at Solihull Station though expecting the 14:47 and 15:06 to turn up.
Quote from: 2206 on June 23, 2022, 05:55:17 PMThat ones timetabled to start there. No good for the passengers who were waiting for the X2 at Solihull Station though expecting the 14:47 and 15:06 to turn up.
And how many people were waiting at the station?
Quote from: Kevin on June 23, 2022, 06:24:09 PMAnd how many people were waiting at the station?
Several people, over the hour a few more people turned up and there was a small crowd waiting including some who gave up with it in the end.
QuoteThat ones timetabled to start there. No good for the passengers who were waiting for the X2 at Solihull Station though expecting the 14:47 and 15:06 to turn up.
There are other services into Solihull town centre they could easily get the 72 then x1/60 if they are really desperate...
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 23, 2022, 06:27:45 PMThere are other services into Solihull town centre they could easily get the 72 then x1/60 if they are really desperate...
That's beside the point. The departure screen counted down both times as if they were coming and then they disappeared of the display.
X2 is supposed to be a direct service to Yardley, Hay Mills and Birmingham, some people might not even know where to get off on the 72 and change.
Quote from: 2206 on June 23, 2022, 06:30:11 PMThat's beside the point. The departure screen counted down both times as if they were coming and then they disappeared of the display........
That's the most frustrating situation for passengers waiting.
And Solihull station is meant to be a transport interchange so suggesting walking elsewhere to get a bus in Solihull isn't helpful (especially for non regular users).
I don't understand why the 23/24 still terminate / wait time at New St when they have their own stop again on Colemore Row and could easily do it there.
I don't know about the 82/7 but for the 61/3 and X21/2 that stop is the busiest in the City Centre so they typically spend more time there offloading so you quickly get 3-4 buses blocked in there when there's 23 and 24s sat there waiting time.
Additionally, and not related, but looking at the 24 outbound terminus could it not continue down West Boulevard and terminate by the island at the bottom of Barnes Hill? It'd only be an extra 1-2 mins journey time and would connect passengers to the big Asda.
QuoteAdditionally, and not related, but looking at the 24 outbound terminus could it not continue down West Boulevard and terminate by the island at the bottom of Barnes Hill? It'd only be an extra 1-2 mins journey time and would connect passengers to the big Asda.
The only two questions I have is where would it pick passengers to head back to Birmingham, and would those extra few minutes require another bus? I don't think it's safe to have 2 buses by the West Boulevard bus stop (just after the roundabout for Barnes Hill and California Way) laying by there.
Quote from: mesub on June 27, 2022, 08:28:07 PMThe only two questions I have is where would it pick passengers to head back to Birmingham, and would those extra few minutes require another bus? I don't think it's safe to have 2 buses by the West Boulevard bus stop (just after the roundabout for Barnes Hill and California Way) laying by there.
I don't know about the extra bus, so I can't answer that. But perhaps it could not stop at all from the current terminus until the island. Also currently the 23 takes 4 more minutes than the 24 to complete a journey currently so would that make a difference? Or maybe only every other 24 would extend there as a 24A?
I don't know what you mean by where would it pick up passengers but it would go back on itself and go the same way through Quinton etc. Either terminate before the island or go around it and do it after. I think a new stop would have to be created though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 27, 2022, 09:15:35 PMI don't know about the extra bus, so I can't answer that. But perhaps it could not stop at all from the current terminus until the island. Also currently the 23 takes 4 more minutes than the 24 to complete a journey currently so would that make a difference? Or maybe only every other 24 would extend there as a 24A?
I don't know what you mean by where would it pick up passengers but it would go back on itself and go the same way through Quinton etc. Either terminate before the island or go around it and do it after. I think a new stop would have to be created though.
I've suggested it before but extending a 24A from Quinton direct to Northfield via Barnes Hill every 20 or so minutes (say every 3rd bus) would be useful. This would also give an alternative Harborne route to Northfield and probably quicker than the 76 too.
Quote from: j789 on June 27, 2022, 09:23:02 PMI've suggested it before but extending a 24A from Quinton direct to Northfield via Barnes Hill every 20 or so minutes (say every 3rd bus) would be useful. This would also give an alternative Harborne route to Northfield and probably quicker than the 76 too.
I mean it would be useful but that definitely would require a few extra buses surely.
QuoteI don't know what you mean by where would it pick up passengers but it would go back on itself and go the same way through Quinton etc. Either terminate before the island or go around it and do it after. I think a new stop would have to be created though.
Alright, fair enough
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 27, 2022, 09:15:35 PMI don't know about the extra bus, so I can't answer that. But perhaps it could not stop at all from the current terminus until the island. Also currently the 23 takes 4 more minutes than the 24 to complete a journey currently so would that make a difference? Or maybe only every other 24 would extend there as a 24A?
I don't know what you mean by where would it pick up passengers but it would go back on itself and go the same way through Quinton etc. Either terminate before the island or go around it and do it after. I think a new stop would have to be created though.
I do think this is a good idea.
The 24 does serve Tesco but the Asda at Barnes Hill is a much larger supermarket. We do have the hourly 39 but isn't frequent enough to make a trip to Asda by bus attractive.
I have seen some drivers run dead to the bottom of West Boulevard and wait there to make up time occasionally to avoid parking up on Quinton Road West.
Quote from: sonic84 on June 29, 2022, 09:03:20 PMI do think this is a good idea.
The 24 does serve Tesco but the Asda at Barnes Hill is a much larger supermarket. We do have the hourly 39 but isn't frequent enough to make a trip to Asda by bus attractive.
I have seen some drivers run dead to the bottom of West Boulevard and wait there to make up time occasionally to avoid parking up on Quinton Road West.
Yeah, I've seen 23/24 branded buses sat there at times, by the 39 stop I think.
I never realised how close to the current terminus it is though, and exactly it would be a much better option than the 39. I'm sure it would benefit people in Quinton.
4474 is out in service on the 97, first time it has been out for over 400 days after the engine failed
I was looking at the where to catch your bus poster thing at Chelmsley earlier and it says if you are going to Water Orton to catch the X12, if you are going to Hams Hall to get the X70, if you are going to Park Hall then its the X13.
Why can't TFWM make sure these things are accurate before putting them up.
Quote from: 2206 on July 07, 2022, 02:11:09 PMI was looking at the where to catch your bus poster thing at Chelmsley earlier and it says if you are going to Water Orton to catch the X12, if you are going to Hams Hall to get the X70, if you are going to Park Hall then its the X13.
Why can't TFWM make sure these things are accurate before putting them up.
Yeah I am pretty certain I saw 97A on one of those recently
Quote from: 2206 on July 07, 2022, 02:11:09 PMI was looking at the where to catch your bus poster thing at Chelmsley earlier and it says if you are going to Water Orton to catch the X12, if you are going to Hams Hall to get the X70, if you are going to Park Hall then its the X13.
Why can't TFWM make sure these things are accurate before putting them up.
This has nothing to do with Birmingham Central garage.
Inaccuracies and errors like this should be reported to TfWM so they can be corrected:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/get-help/report-a-problem-with-a-bus-stop-or-park-and-ride/
Quote from: Stu on July 07, 2022, 06:59:26 PMThis has nothing to do with Birmingham Central garage.
Inaccuracies and errors like this should be reported to TfWM so they can be corrected:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/get-help/report-a-problem-with-a-bus-stop-or-park-and-ride/
The X13 is a BC route.
And they should make sure they're put up the correct information to potential passengers on bus stops, before they put them up in the first place. Telling people to get the X12 to Water Orton or a ceased X70 to Hams Hall is just stupid to be honest.
Plus its not just this one I think I saw X20 on one of the ones at University Station a few weeks ago.
QuoteThe X13 is a BC route.
And they should make sure they're put up the correct information to potential passengers on bus stops, before they put them up in the first place. Telling people to get the X12 to Water Orton or a ceased X70 to Hams Hall is just stupid to be honest.
Plus its not just this one I think I saw X20 on one of the ones at University Station a few weeks ago.
Again Nothing to do with Birmingham Central garage, tell TfWM.
Quote from: 2206 on July 07, 2022, 07:12:56 PMThe X13 is a BC route.
And they should make sure they're put up the correct information to potential passengers on bus stops, before they put them up in the first place. Telling people to get the X12 to Water Orton or a ceased X70 to Hams Hall is just stupid to be honest.
Plus its not just this one I think I saw X20 on one of the ones at University Station a few weeks ago.
This is down to Transport for West Midlands NOT National Express West Midlands or any of it's garages
Looks like some idiots with sharpies have gone to town on 6886. I suppose it makes a change to the etched windows.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 12, 2022, 10:42:49 AMLooks like some idiots with sharpies have gone to town on 6886. I suppose it makes a change to the etched windows.
4617 on the Priory Queensway, several upper deck windows clearly vandalised with graffiti on the 14 earlier this evening.
4614 completed final 14 journey operated by BC going too be a very wierd sighting seeing gemini on the 14 since all i have seen are tridents majority of my life
BC Ward End 94/95 routes are very platinum today. X2 branded 6833 on there as well.
Maybe BC will get the ex Warwick University ones from Coventry for them, when they leave Coventry.
Quote from: 2206 on July 24, 2022, 10:57:04 AMBC Ward End 94/95 routes are very platinum today. X2 branded 6833 on there as well.
Maybe BC will get the ex Warwick University ones from Coventry for them, when they leave Coventry.
95% is platinum just the one E400 operating on it 14 has a mixture of busses
4934 currently has come to a halt on the 94 due to a police incident/crime scene in Ward End at the junction with Bamville Road.
Passengers were instructed by driver to get off and walk to the Fox & Goose as it wouldn't be going any further.
Quote from: 2206 on July 26, 2022, 09:29:21 PM4934 currently has come to a halt on the 94 due to a police incident/crime scene in Ward End at the junction with Bamville Road.
Passengers were instructed by driver to get off and walk to the Fox & Goose as it wouldn't be going any further.
stabbing incident road was closed between bamville road and st agatha's road
QuoteBC Ward End 94/95 routes are very platinum today. X2 branded 6833 on there as well.
Maybe BC will get the ex Warwick University ones from Coventry for them, when they leave Coventry.
I think it will be BC, YW and AG all getting those smart hybrids of Coventry so it would be good for the 94/95 and possibly 97 too
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 27, 2022, 02:15:26 AMstabbing incident road was closed between bamville road and st agatha's road
94/95 diverting Bromford Lane, Drews Lane into the early afternoon today.
All stops on diversion route served. Since returned to NLR.
QuoteI think it will be BC, YW and AG all getting those smart hybrids of Coventry so it would be good for the 94/95 and possibly 97 too
They can go anywhere, the only person that knows is Tony so it's just guess work until it happens
QuoteThey can go anywhere, the only person that knows is Tony so it's just guess work until it happens
Yeah i agree with you, but they would've been a great replacement of the ageing ALX400 B7TLs and Tridents
HS2 works are starting on Bromford Drive and in the Bromford area from tomorrow 8/8/22 preparing for the tunnel construction as per a letter received. Not sure whether this will affect the X12/13 as this lasts until December and it doesn't look like any roads will be closed at present. But who knows!!. Wondering if anyone has heard anything different?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 07, 2022, 04:05:45 PMHS2 works are starting on Bromford Drive and in the Bromford area from tomorrow 8/8/22 preparing for the tunnel construction as per a letter received. Not sure whether this will affect the X12/13 as this lasts until December and it doesn't look like any roads will be closed at present. But who knows!!. Wondering if anyone has heard anything different?
I think it's the turning circle at the end where it's affected
Has 6832 been debranded from the X2
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 12, 2022, 03:22:42 PMHas 6832 been debranded from the X2
Yes Tony has uploaded a pic on Facebook
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 12, 2022, 03:33:32 PMYes Tony has uploaded a pic on Facebook
How many are being debranded
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 12, 2022, 03:42:48 PMHow many are being debranded
How come they are being debranded? Being debranded in preparation for the Sprint sevice starting/hydrogen vehicles taking over or is it another reason?
Quote from: 2206 on August 12, 2022, 04:40:59 PMHow come they are being debranded? Being debranded in preparation for the Sprint sevice starting/hydrogen vehicles taking over or is it another reason?
Could be getting replaced by the 69 plates from cv
QuoteCould be getting replaced by the 69 plates from cv
Why replace Platinums with Platinums?
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2022, 05:46:23 PMWhy replace Platinums with Platinums?
To be fair, it did happen originally with the X1 and X2, although that was due to the new Platinums (at the time) being a slightly different spec to those originally delivered for the 900 and 957.
Quote from: 2206 on August 12, 2022, 04:40:59 PMHow come they are being debranded? Being debranded in preparation for the Sprint sevice starting/hydrogen vehicles taking over or is it another reason?
I would doubt it, I believe the Sprint route is now not going to be launched until the articulated buses arrive which won't be until next year.
QuoteYes Tony has uploaded a pic on Facebook
Could we get it here, for those who don't use Facebook?
QuoteCould we get it here, for those who don't use Facebook?
I'll put it on the main site tomorrow
QuoteCould we get it here, for those who don't use Facebook?
Here it is
NXWM 6832 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6832.html)
QuoteHere it is
NXWM 6832 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6832.html)
Thank you! Looks great.
Always people panicking on the 94/95 when it does the Saltley loop on the way out to Ward End/Chelmsley. They say it should have gone left at the lights and the driver is going back to town, going the wrong way, driver doesn't know what he is doing etc. Saw it again tonight.
Quote from: 2206 on August 16, 2022, 07:11:59 PMAlways people panicking on the 94/95 when it does the Saltley loop on the way out to Ward End/Chelmsley. They say it should have gone left at the lights and the driver is going back to town, going the wrong way, driver doesn't know what he is doing etc. Saw it again tonight.
Was talking to a driver on the 95 this morning who said that Saltley Viaduct is closed for another month. Given the usual increase in traffic volume from September onwards, that long-winded diversion is certainly 1 to avoid.
Quote from: MK on August 20, 2022, 04:08:20 PMWas talking to a driver on the 95 this morning who said that Saltley Viaduct is closed for another month. Given the usual increase in traffic volume from September onwards, that long-winded diversion is certainly 1 to avoid.
14 already stops at those stops to/from the City Centre as far as I know and has no other alternative route. Could work maybe if they put on a 94S service to say Fox & Goose where it could turn round on Bromford Lane to go back, for a few weeks. Then those stops between Aston Church Road to Saltley Gate would still have a bus both ways to City and Fox & Goose. Then the main 94/95 services can run direct and if people want to go to other places on the route can always connect onto them.
Changes to 94/95 diversion for 3 weeks, due to delays and likely expected increase in congestion with schools reopening, etc. Buses will run direct Washwood Heath Road, Aston Church Road, Heartlands Parkway.
Between Saltley Gate and Aston Church Road the 14 will continue to still link to Birmingham City Centre. In effect from Thursday 25th August.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/changes-to-the-94-95-diversion
Another long term missing bus should be back in the next couple of days, 4472 passed an MoT this morning
Coventry Road driver strangely said there's no options for pre 9.30 concession on his ticket machine this morning. Printed a child daysaver instead.
4941 did a loop of Heartlands Parkway up to the first island and back on the 15:30 94 ex City. Driver went up Heartlands Parkway out of habbit I think.
Both 6863 and 7516 taken back to garage now because of no driver. Is this because of the increase in PVRs and not enough drivers to cover?
6844 being debranded/having generic branding applied as I type
6849 also been done
Quote from: CL on September 21, 2022, 11:46:46 AM6844 being debranded/having generic branding applied as I type
6849 also been done
How many are being done
Quote from: BNH2004 on September 21, 2022, 01:11:15 PMHow many are being done
I'm not certain but I'd hazard a guess that all the X1/X2 branded buses will have their branding removed
Quote from: CL on September 21, 2022, 02:00:26 PMI'm not certain but I'd hazard a guess that all the X1/X2 branded buses will have their branding removed
How come the Coventry Road platinums are being rebranded?
Quote from: 2206 on September 21, 2022, 05:52:06 PMHow come the Coventry Road platinums are being rebranded?
My guess coventry platinums will replace the current buses on there
I wouldn't have thought spending money de-branding 2016 vehicles to replace them with 2018 ones is particularly sensible but you never know.
Wild speculation time. Maybe CV Electrics are destined to run the service instead of BC? There are 24 more double deckers on order than CV currently have to replace.
Quote from: cardew on September 21, 2022, 06:26:15 PMI wouldn't have thought spending money de-branding 2016 vehicles to replace them with 2018 ones is particularly sensible but you never know.
Wild speculation time. Maybe CV Electrics are destined to run the service instead of BC? There are 24 more double deckers on order than CV currently have to replace.
Doubt Coventry would run the X2 to Solihull. Have they ever ran a route that doesn't go to Coventry before?
Coventry also have lots of B7RLE that those deckers might replace as well.
Quote from: cardew on September 21, 2022, 06:26:15 PMI wouldn't have thought spending money de-branding 2016 vehicles to replace them with 2018 ones is particularly sensible but you never know.
Wild speculation time. Maybe CV Electrics are destined to run the service instead of BC? There are 24 more double deckers on order than CV currently have to replace.
I like your thinking, and a nice bit of speculation.
Quote from: 2206 on September 21, 2022, 06:30:03 PMDoubt Coventry would run the X2 to Solihull. Have they ever ran a route that doesn't go to Coventry before?
Coventry also have lots of B7RLE that those deckers might replace as well.
There's every chance that Coventry could take over the X1, but then perhaps the X2 could beome a 'standalone' service, or even interworked with other BC routes. As a bit more wild speculation, maybe it could pass to AG and interwork with other Solihull services.
Of course, there's every chance that these vehicles might just be being debranded, because a new design is on the way?
They are being debranded because
A) The services interwork, so every day they are on the 'wrong' route
B) The X1 is an extremely high mileage route, so buses that stay on there for a long time end up getting worn out quicker than the rest of the fleet.
C) The X2 is to become part of sprint
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2022, 07:51:17 PMThey are being debranded because
A) The services interwork, so every day they are on the 'wrong' route
B) The X1 is an extremely high mileage route, so buses that stay on there for a long time end up getting worn out quicker than the rest of the fleet.
C) The X2 is to become part of sprint
Well, that all makes perfect sense, thanks!
However the impression I have gathered is that Sprint won't be happening until next year now.
Perhaps a new 'joint branding' will be introduced, or perhaps not, so as you say, vehicles can be 'rotated' more?
6830 now debranded from X2
QuoteI like your thinking, and a nice bit of speculation.
There's every chance that Coventry could take over the X1, but then perhaps the X2 could beome a 'standalone' service, or even interworked with other BC routes. As a bit more wild speculation, maybe it could pass to AG and interwork with other Solihull services.
Of course, there's every chance that these vehicles might just be being debranded, because a new design is on the way?
Or maybe 72 turning platinum by using the X2 platinums?
4902 has the cash vault stuffed with newspaper this morning and driver waving passengers on.
Think somethings wrong with the ticket machine on it.
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2022, 10:24:15 AM4902 has the cash vault stuffed with newspaper this morning and driver waving passengers on.
Think somethings wrong with the ticket machine on it.
Happened to WNs 2093 a couple of weeks ago
QuoteOr maybe 72 turning platinum by using the X2 platinums?
No that's not happening, the reason for the debrand is due to constant interworking between x1/X2 lead to Branded bus on wrong route and also due to the mileage of the X1 they are now using other platinums to prevent running the 68** into the ground
Just a thought. If milage is a concern on the X1, would it be worth considering splitting it in two? Birmingham to Airport and Airport to Coventry?
QuoteJust a thought. If milage is a concern on the X1, would it be worth considering splitting it in two? Birmingham to Airport and Airport to Coventry?
How would that help?
Caught 6881 this morning on the X21 towards Woodgate 08:20 ex City departure big crowd waiting for it at Priory Queensway, left with full seated load. At Moor Street Station, left half the passengers behind and rammed to the brim with standing passengers. Drove past serveral several following stops with large crowds waiting including New Stret Station, Ernest Street, etc.
It emptied at University North Gate and then again University Station. Looks like it needs a extra bus there to be honest.
Quote from: 2206 on September 30, 2022, 06:07:30 PMCaught 6881 this morning on the X21 towards Woodgate big crowd waiting for it at Priory Queensway, left with full seated load. At Moor Street Station, left half the passengers behind and rammed to the brim with standing passengers. Drove past serveral several following stops with large crowds waiting including New Stret Station, Ernest Street, etc.
It emptied at University North Gate and then again University Station.
Pretty much all of the buses I've caught since the kids have gone back to school and subsequently the students have been at least 3/4 full and quite often completely full - not just to Uni Station either. I've also seen various buses skip stops because they're too full. I don't see why the X21/X22 can't be every 15 mins at peak times to be honest, in both directions. The 6-7 min frequency they had with the X20 worked fine, every 10 mins as it is now isn't working.
Which X1/ X2 buses have been debranded so far?
Quote from: BNH2004 on October 01, 2022, 10:32:57 AMWhich X1/ X2 buses have been debranded so far?
6830, 6831, 6832, 6844, 6849.
6844 was on the 25 yesterday.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 30, 2022, 06:13:47 PMPretty much all of the buses I've caught since the kids have gone back to school and subsequently the students have been at least 3/4 full and quite often completely full - not just to Uni Station either. I've also seen various buses skip stops because they're too full. I don't see why the X21/X22 can't be every 15 mins at peak times to be honest, in both directions. The 6-7 min frequency they had with the X20 worked fine, every 10 mins as it is now isn't working.
Looks like the AM/PM peak frequency is being increased from Monday:
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/frequency-changes-from-sunday-2nd-october-2022
Quote6830, 6831, 6832, 6844, 6849.
6844 was on the 25 yesterday.
Will these move to different garages?
QuoteWill these move to different garages?
No
Quote from: Stu on October 01, 2022, 11:08:29 AMLooks like the AM/PM peak frequency is being increased from Monday:
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/frequency-changes-from-sunday-2nd-october-2022
Not really by much though. And the PM peak is only in one direction for 30 mins.
Similarly with the AM peak, a brief window and only in one direction thanks to two short workings on the X21.
Quote from: 2206 on October 01, 2022, 10:36:47 AM6830, 6831, 6832, 6844, 6849.
6844 was on the 25 yesterday.
6833 also has been debranded from the X2 now.
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2022, 11:09:24 AM6833 also has been debranded from the X2 now.
6842 is now debranded too.
No 20:45 94 to Chelmsley tonight.
So looks like BC have a late night bus missing tonight.
The 21:00 95 6844 started there and the daytime buses 4899 & 4929 went back to the garage.
Apparently 5514 and 5505 have been rebranded. I don't suppose anybody has any photos?
Quote from: mesub on October 12, 2022, 04:02:05 PMApparently 5514 and 5505 have been rebranded. I don't suppose anybody has any photos?
5502 also debranded. Wonder why though, as unlike the platinums I don't think these ever run on anything else other than the 61 & 63 normally.
Quote5502 also debranded. Wonder why though, as unlike the platinums I don't think these ever run on anything else other than the 61 & 63 normally.
A photo is just about to appear on the main site
Quote from: mesub on October 12, 2022, 04:02:05 PMApparently 5514 and 5505 have been rebranded. I don't suppose anybody any photos?
On Monday I seen 5509 on 47
I'm a bit surprised we didn't see a return of Pershore Road branding to be honest. It's likely that they'll very rarely stray from the 45/47 anyway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 14, 2022, 11:14:30 PMIt's likely that they'll very rarely stray from the 45/47 anyway.
They're coming off the Bristol Road?
QuoteThey're coming off the Bristol Road?
We don't really know.
so the 55**s are being debranded but why?
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on October 15, 2022, 11:16:17 PMso the 55**s are being debranded but why?
Read going on 45/7 services
Are all of the platinums for the X1/X2 now debranded? Can't work it out from Bus times
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on October 17, 2022, 11:47:31 PMAre all of the platinums for the X1/X2 now debranded? Can't work it out from Bus times
Yes they all are I think.
Yes, I updated bus times last week to show that
Is route branding being phased out as a whole? Only 2 route branding left at BC now.
QuoteIs route branding being phased out as a whole? Only 2 route branding left at BC now.
23/24; X21/X22 & 97
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 18, 2022, 01:42:25 PMIs route branding being phased out as a whole? Only 2 route branding left at BC now.
At a guess, I would think there is something being planned or in the pipeline, however with a large number of vehicles going through the cascade process at present (which I estimate will continue for the next few months), as well as a number of vehicles either going through or scheduled for repaint, it is probably prudent to wait a bit longer before doing anything with branding.
21:45 94 never ran tonight.
There also seems to be a very strange asian middle aged man who goes round the Priory Queensway/Moor Street stops in the evenings trying to sell old daysavers for £2 or sometimes £3 on a routine basis. Despite that as far as I know these tickets are not transferrable.
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2022, 10:35:11 PM21:45 94 never ran tonight.
There also seems to be a very strange asian middle aged man who goes round the Priory Queensway/Moor Street stops in the evenings trying to sell old daysavers for £2 or sometimes £3 on a routine basis. Despite that as far as I know these tickets are not transferrable.
He's been doing it for quite some time. I've seen him doing it by Hockley Circus before too.
You'd occasionally get someone alighting, saying 'Anyone want a Daysaver?'
I've never taken them up on the offer mind.
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2022, 10:35:11 PM21:45 94 never ran tonight.
There also seems to be a very strange asian middle aged man who goes round the Priory Queensway/Moor Street stops in the evenings trying to sell old daysavers for £2 or sometimes £3 on a routine basis. Despite that as far as I know these tickets are not transferrable.
Not transferable utter nonsense my kids share a Daysaver among'st themselves they travel at different times, why waste precious money, i have seen passengers countless times hand over there Daysavers to others, my view on it is that its a kind gesture and it makes somebody's day or week. Many times folks hand me the daysaver when they are finished with it i just clip it to the running board up to traffic office to do what ever.
you can have several members of family/friends share a pay as you go debit card for travel, it all goes on still better than fare dodgers who just walk on like they own the bus.
For some reason the X13 timetable has disappeared from bus times.
QuoteFor some reason the X13 timetable has disappeared from bus times.
It has been like that for a few days now. It did briefly reappear yesterday but it was missing the actual timetable and the map only had stops from Bromford Way to Chelmsley Wood Interchange (including Hams Hall).
Long time missing (since March) 4631 is back out today on the 97 after a six month rest waiting a replacement engine
is 4613 joining 4614 at YW because it was previously on the transfers list but was taken off replaced on the list by 4614
Has 4471 been debranded?
just saw Trident 4615's new wrap it looks epic
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on November 23, 2022, 06:26:33 PMjust saw Trident 4615's new wrap it looks epic
I wouldn't exactly call a plain blue boring wrap as Epic, but each to their own.
Quote from: Gareth on November 23, 2022, 10:22:52 PMI wouldn't exactly call a plain blue boring wrap as Epic, but each to their own.
ok maybe not epic but it looks good
Quoteok maybe not epic but it looks good
Same ad is on 4775 and 4799
A massive thanks to the driver of 4908 this evening who decided he wouldn't bother coming down the stop on Priory Queensway and instead just leaves from the top of the hill.
People try and get on the buses when they're at the top of the hill and get told to wait and that they'll come down but that's exactly why people do it...
Oh, and yes there was plenty of space at the stop before anyone says otherwise.
It's quite interesting some drivers thinking Digbeth high street is still two lanes. Saw one 60 heading into city lane blocked with foolish cars in its lane, wonder how long that will go on.
Earlier today I was on 4615 as it was on a 60 to Cranes Park and it passed 4616 around which was going in the opposite direction to city centre
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on December 11, 2022, 05:33:44 PMEarlier today I was on 4615 as it was on a 60 to Cranes Park and it passed 4616 around which was going in the opposite direction to city centre
Tridents are common on the 60 even on Sundays I don't understand the post?
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2022, 05:37:07 PMTridents are common on the 60 even on Sundays I don't understand the post?
Tridents on Sundays are unusual
QuoteTridents on Sundays are unusual
Birmingham Central have tridents out every Sunday
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2022, 05:37:07 PMTridents are common on the 60 even on Sundays I don't understand the post?
I meant that 4615 went past 4616 in the opposite direction
QuoteI meant that 4615 went past 4616 in the opposite direction
So essentially it was coincidental
Not sure if 877 Yardley is on the blinds, but saw 6950 at the Wheathsheaf running towards Yardley with incorrect AM destination blind being displayed on 877.
QuoteNot sure if 877 Yardley is on the blinds, but saw 6950 at the Wheathsheaf running towards Yardley with incorrect AM destination blind being displayed on 877.
It's the same for the 822, always showing "King Edwards"
6858 has lost its Harborne branding and is now got the generic Platinum branding.
Quote6858 has lost its Harborne branding and is now got the generic Platinum branding.
And 6859
Quote6858 has lost its Harborne branding and is now got the generic Platinum branding.
Why? The Harborne routes aren't as nearly as long as the X1.
QuoteWhy? The Harborne routes aren't as nearly as long as the X1.
What's the length of the route got to do with two buses being debranded?
With the reduction in Frequency too many buses were branded forcing them to be on other routes
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2022, 08:03:57 PMWhat's the length of the route got to do with two buses being debranded?
With the reduction in Frequency too many buses were branded forcing them to be on other routes
I did wonder whether this would happen.
Will the '4 mins' be changed on those that remain branded also?
Seen 4913 for the first time since The incident on the 97
today and it's also lost the Green and Purple wrap
QuoteWhat's the length of the route got to do with two buses being debranded?
I thought they were going to start debranding all of them for a similar reason to why they debranded the X1/2 (apart from the interworking, since they are branded for both routes)
Actually, does that mean 6858 and 6859 will now get internal generic platinum branding as well?
Quote from: mesub on December 15, 2022, 08:08:29 PMI thought they were going to start debranding all of them for a similar reason to why they debranded the X1/2 (apart from the interworking, since they are branded for both routes)
I think the reasons cited for the X1 and X2 buses being de-branded, in addition to the fact that the routes inter-worked and therefore branded buses were on the wrong route half of the time, was that as a high mileage route, X1 buses have a comparatively harder life than buses on more local routes. As in an X1 bus will cover a lot more miles on a full day's service on the X1/2 than a bus on the 23/24 will.
Other operators face similar challenges - Go North East regularly changes or upgrades the vehicles on its X10 Newcastle to Middlesbrough service as they have much harder life than the rest of their fleet.
6889 displaying Merry Christmas on its blind on Colemore Row this morning. First one of those I've seem this year.
Caught 7527 on the X2 to Blossomfield this morning. Was unusually nice and quiet today, only a few people on it. As don't think some of the schools/colleges have gone back yet. Tomorrow might be different I think.
Looking at bus times as well its been a very long time since this bus last tracked to.
Quote from: mesub on December 13, 2022, 09:13:57 PMIt's the same for the 822, always showing "King Edwards"
It is good to see this appears to have been resolved. I saw 6825 displaying "Yardley Swan Island" this afternoon.
QuoteIt is good to see this appears to have been resolved. I saw 6825 displaying "Yardley Swan Island" this afternoon.
Ah, excellent. Considering the 822 only runs to Harborne now, I'm sure they would have updated that too.
A new driver now does the morning 877/60 duty as of January 2023. And can't really blame the driver when he obviously hasn't had proper route training. But a few points really need reinforcing as i've seen a few complaints about this, this week.
1. Service is open to the general public as are all services at BC.
2. Service calls at all stops on the Coventry Road, Hobs Moat Road, Lode Lane, then goes round the back of Solihull Town Centre. Then calls at all Blossomfield stops - Solihull Swimming Baths, Solihull College, Alderbrook School, Dingle Lane Blossomfield Schools & St Peters as per the stops on the timetable and route map.
877 - Yardley - Sheldon - St. Peter's RC School – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/services/877-bordesley-st-peters-school#map)
I had this conversation with him this morning on 7525 as he didn't seem to know either of the above points, and appeared to think its a closed door service. But a lot of people use this service, and not everyone would be able to have that conversation with him.
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2023, 10:05:46 AMA new driver now does the morning 877/60 duty as of January 2023. And can't really blame the driver when he obviously hasn't had proper route training. But a few points really need reinforcing as i've seen a few complaints about this, this week.
1. Service is open to the general public as are all services at BC.
2. Service calls at all stops on the Coventry Road, Hobs Moat Road, Lode Lane, then goes round the back of Solihull Town Centre. Then calls at all Blossomfield stops - Solihull Swimming Baths, Solihull College, Alderbrook School, Dingle Lane Blossomfield Schools & St Peters as per the stops on the timetable and route map.
877 - Yardley - Sheldon - St. Peter's RC School – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/services/877-bordesley-st-peters-school#map)
I had this conversation with him this morning on 7525 as he didn't seem to know either of the above points, and appeared to think its a closed door service. But a lot of people use this service, and not everyone would be able to have that conversation with him.
To be fair, would the average punter use a school service, unless they really had to?
I've seen the 159 school service in Bloxwich that came from St Francis Of Assisi in Aldridge, which does shadow the Bloxwich Road services down to Leamore & that is normally rammed with the little darlings.
Presumably I wouldn't be let on anyway, even if I wanted to catch it, which I don't!
Quite a few people catch them for convenience, timing/routing suited to their journey. With 877 it often gets students/children catching it to Blossomfield as well. Often i've seen people catch it to the hospital even and walk into the town centre rather than wait for the 72/X2. The regular driver who drove it for months before Christmas at least used to let everyone on it and served all stops, which is as advertised to.
QuoteA new driver now does the morning 877/60 duty as of January 2023. And can't really blame the driver when he obviously hasn't had proper route training. But a few points really need reinforcing as i've seen a few complaints about this, this week.
1. Service is open to the general public as are all services at BC.
2. Service calls at all stops on the Coventry Road, Hobs Moat Road, Lode Lane, then goes round the back of Solihull Town Centre. Then calls at all Blossomfield stops - Solihull Swimming Baths, Solihull College, Alderbrook School, Dingle Lane Blossomfield Schools & St Peters as per the stops on the timetable and route map.
877 - Yardley - Sheldon - St. Peter's RC School – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/services/877-bordesley-st-peters-school#map)
I had this conversation with him this morning on 7525 as he didn't seem to know either of the above points, and appeared to think its a closed door service. But a lot of people use this service, and not everyone would be able to have that conversation with him.
I'm sure you have already, but have you written to customer support about it?
QuoteIt is good to see this appears to have been resolved. I saw 6825 displaying "Yardley Swan Island" this afternoon.
Looks like it has been resolved for the 822 as well, was able to see it today with the Harborne blind.
94/95 currently experiencing delays as a result of temporary traffic lights at Saltley and then another set at Washwood Heath. 4917 got to the fox & goose 23 minutes down.
4917 - BK63 YWC – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-4917?date=2023-01-13#journeys/366946457)
Was the same yesterday afternoon on there.
Quote from: 2206 on January 13, 2023, 11:14:01 AM94/95 currently experiencing delays as a result of temporary traffic lights at Saltley and then another set at Washwood Heath. 4917 got to the fox & goose 23 minutes down.
4917 - BK63 YWC – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-4917?date=2023-01-13#journeys/366946457)
Was the same yesterday afternoon on there.
I got stuck in this last night. Upon leaving the City Centre, it took 50 minutes to travel to the Fox & Goose. This is just not sustainable for me, or i suspect for Bus Companies trying to run a service. I gather that it's supposed to be the same for another week. One to avoid, i think.
Quote from: MK on January 13, 2023, 12:19:23 PMI got stuck in this last night. Upon leaving the City Centre, it took 50 minutes to travel to the Fox & Goose. This is just not sustainable for me, or i suspect for Bus Companies trying to run a service. I gather that it's supposed to be the same for another week. One to avoid, i think.
94/95 are now diverting Heartlands Parkway, Aston Church Road until further notice/traffic lights are removed. It was great that these were now more reliable again today. Was blue ex coventry 4883 I caught as well.
PB 14/8 continuing to serve Saltley/Alum Rock, due to having to alternate route and passengers on those services will need to allow extra time for their journey, as they're likely to experience heavy delays over the next few days. Looking at bus times 4854 on the 14 is 2 hours down tonight.
Where they miss out on the delays at Saltley, they get caught up at the temporary three way lights on Aston Church Road and again around the corner on Washwood Heath Road.
Quote from: Gareth on January 14, 2023, 07:02:22 PMWhere they miss out on the delays at Saltley, they get caught up at the temporary three way lights on Aston Church Road and again around the corner on Washwood Heath Road.
The ones on Aston Church Road this morning and afternoon weren't as bad, as the congestion with the one at Saltley I went through yesterday. We only had a brief wait then went through.
The closure of the nearby Duddeston Mill Road at the bridge as well can't be helping the congestion situation in the Saltley and Alum Rock areas to.
4628 displaying 55 this evening.
A service that was replaced nearly 18 months ago.
Quote4628 displaying 55 this evening.
A service that was replaced nearly 18 months ago.
It's the first time that bus has been out properly for over 2 years! It did come out on 25th November on the 97, but had a different problem to the original one and never carried any passengers
Quote from: 2206 on January 24, 2023, 05:56:35 PM4628 displaying 55 this evening.
A service that was replaced nearly 18 months ago.
Would fit quite nicely at the stop on Jennens Road that's still showing 55. (Along with 53 and 94A)
NXWM drivers sometimes get a bad press on here for their customer service skills, but a shout out to the female driver of 6862 on the 18.38 23 from Colmore Row this evening. One of the cheeriest, most enthusiastic and helpful drivers I've seen in a long time. Not seen her on the 23/24 before. Maybe she's new and the enthusiasm will be beaten out of her within weeks :smiley:
There was a particularly cheerful woman who used to drive the 98 and X64 regularly but I don't know if she still works at NX.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 27, 2023, 01:55:11 PMThere was a particularly cheerful woman who used to drive the 98 and X64 regularly but I don't know if she still works at NX.
Yes and later on the X21/X22 and pre withdrawal X20.
Noticed 4628 is displaying 55 again today.
Also would be interesting to know why the tracking for 4877 seems to show the bus followed the full 94 route to chelmsley wood on that 12:48 trip. When it came onto the Priory Queeensway stop and drove off displaying not in service without picking anyone up. When having the correct display up is vital.
https://bustimes.org/services/94-birmingham-chelmsley-wood-via-ward-end-2/vehicles?date=2023-01-27#journeys/374808271
Quote from: 2206 on January 27, 2023, 02:25:45 PMAlso would be interesting to know why the tracking for 4877 seems to show the bus followed the full 94 route to chelmsley wood on that 12:48 trip. When it came onto the Priory Queeensway stop and drove off displaying not in service without picking anyone up. When having the correct display up is vital.
https://bustimes.org/services/94-birmingham-chelmsley-wood-via-ward-end-2/vehicles?date=2023-01-27#journeys/374808271
I would hazard a guess that as it was 14 minutes late for that departure, it ran dead to pick up service further along the route, possibly from Castle Bromwich.
Quote from: Stu on January 27, 2023, 05:20:08 PMI would hazard a guess that as it was 14 minutes late for that departure, it ran dead to pick up service further along the route, possibly from Castle Bromwich.
Could be possibly. But seemingly didn't help it get back on time though if that was the case as it was still 15 minutes late at Castle Bromwich.
@Tony Do you know what's happened with 6949?
It's been 6 months and 1 day since it had its incident
@Coventrybususer95, the X1 is allocated those, branded ones are usual too.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on February 08, 2023, 12:05:03 PM6864 on the x1
Platinum E400 on a Platinum route is not noteworthy! :rolleyes:
6949 which had a vehicle run in the back of it last August causing severe damage has just passed an MoT after repairs, so will be back out later this week for the first time in 6 months
Quote6949 which had a vehicle run in the back of it last August causing severe damage has just passed an MoT after repairs, so will be back out later this week for the first time in 6 months
Amazing. I wondering how long it was going to take before it came back into service, so it'll be good to see it later this week
So, no sign of the 7:00 X21 to City, and that one comes straight from garage too. I'm guessing this is what was meant by normal service.
EDIT: Well 4902 is now in City on the short to Weoley so it must have turned up eventually after I gave up and got the 76.
This is a first, I can only assume it broke down. I do wonder if the engineer parked it like this though.
Quote from: mesub on March 28, 2023, 07:28:09 PMThis is a first, I can only assume it broke down. I do wonder if the engineer parked it like this though.
Need a clue!
Ah, I thought it uploaded! Here you go:
(Wood Lane Terminus)
Quote from: mesub on March 28, 2023, 07:35:26 PMAh, I thought it uploaded! Here you go:
(Wood Lane Terminus)
Is this facing the wrong direction at the terminus (which means it's gone through 'no entry' sign to be facing that way)?
QuoteIs this facing the wrong direction at the terminus (which means it's gone through 'no entry' sign to be facing that way)?
Yes it is!
Both 6881 and 7522 not bothering to make the outbound trips at 17:00 and 17:20 this evening. Still driver shortages or something else this time?
Either way, pretty poor.
One of the service support electricians had a good go at the non-tracking vehicles here over the weekend, one of the ones he managed to get working again was 4908 the allover advert one if anyone wants to find it.
4905 has had a bit of a refresh. Looking very smart without its adverts and with new decals and fleetnames.
4946 in its new full advert wrap will do the 16:21 Solihull to Birmingham X12 and the 18:20 City to Chelmsley X13 tonight for those that like to photograph advert wraps
6860 has had its 23/24 Harborne branding replaced by generic price branding.
Quote from: Mike K on May 25, 2023, 05:26:20 PM6860 has had its 23/24 Harborne branding replaced by generic price branding.
and 6861
Too many bus branded again?
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2023, 02:50:20 PM4946 in its new full advert wrap will do the 16:21 Solihull to Birmingham X12 and the 18:20 City to Chelmsley X13 tonight for those that like to photograph advert wraps
Think thats the one that did a morning peak 94/95 with half an advert earlier.
It came in to the City at the same time as 4908 on the 09:41 94.
Does anybody know why the X1 and X12 buses keep getting stuck near Birmingham Airport?
Today: https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-6856?date=2023-06-08#journeys/436210982
Yesterday: https://bustimes.org/services/x12-birmingham-solihull-via-chelmsley-wood/vehicles?date=2023-06-07#journeys/435858483
M42 works chaos. 105 minutes Meriden - Yardley (75 minutes Birmingham Airport - old terminal) yesterday, which was nice... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Isle of Stroma on June 08, 2023, 05:59:36 PMM42 works chaos. 105 minutes Meriden - Yardley (75 minutes Birmingham Airport - old terminal) yesterday, which was nice... :rolleyes:
Ok, thanks.
I was on 6865 on the 23 this evening which was doing the full route to Bartley Green but got adjusted part way through the journey and was a 23E California when I got off (23/24 badly affected today by roadworks on Harborne Road). Is it normal to adjust journeys part way along the route? There was nothing to inform passengers it was now a short working so I suspect a lot would have been turfed off early (there was another bus just in front).
Quote from: Mike K on June 08, 2023, 07:44:56 PMI was on 6865 on the 23 this evening which was doing the full route to Bartley Green but got adjusted part way through the journey and was a 23E California when I got off (23/24 badly affected today by roadworks on Harborne Road). Is it normal to adjust journeys part way along the route? There was nothing to inform passengers it was now a short working so I suspect a lot would have been turfed off early (there was another bus just in front).
The driver may have ran out of hours or something.
Probably another bus behind. I'm fairly sure that it is normal especially when there are mass delays being caused by roadworks and temporary lights.
Tracking suggests 6866 running shortly behind
QuoteM42 works chaos. 105 minutes Meriden - Yardley (75 minutes Birmingham Airport - old terminal) yesterday, which was nice... :rolleyes:
Warwick road in Tyseley is a mess too, nearly a hour of Waiting and when the lights go green, oh there's still cars coming from the other side
Quote from: Mike K on June 08, 2023, 07:44:56 PMI was on 6865 on the 23 this evening which was doing the full route to Bartley Green but got adjusted part way through the journey and was a 23E California when I got off (23/24 badly affected today by roadworks on Harborne Road). Is it normal to adjust journeys part way along the route? There was nothing to inform passengers it was now a short working so I suspect a lot would have been turfed off early (there was another bus just in front).
It is normal to be adjusted half way through a journey especially if the journey you are on is significantly late, if a driver is running short on drive time then we have to radio our garage under the road traffic act and we get adjusted accordingly. I have had it on the 60 service where I was running up against my drive hours and was told to terminate service early and run back to city out of service
Quote from: Mike K on June 08, 2023, 07:44:56 PMI was on 6865 on the 23 this evening which was doing the full route to Bartley Green but got adjusted part way through the journey and was a 23E California when I got off (23/24 badly affected today by roadworks on Harborne Road). Is it normal to adjust journeys part way along the route? There was nothing to inform passengers it was now a short working so I suspect a lot would have been turfed off early (there was another bus just in front).
Quote from: dw1308 on June 11, 2023, 08:29:39 PMIt is normal to be adjusted half way through a journey especially if the journey you are on is significantly late, if a driver is running short on drive time then we have to radio our garage under the road traffic act and we get adjusted accordingly. I have had it on the 60 service where I was running up against my drive hours and was told to terminate service early and run back to city out of service
In these kinds of situations, this is where the next-stop announcements would become really useful.
I recall many years ago now, I'd been visiting my brother who lived in London at the time, and due to the Overground being partially closed, I had to get the 30 bus all the way from Hackney Wick to Euston station.
While it seemed to depart on time (the bus had been waiting at the terminus when I got it) and there didn't seem much in the way of traffic delays, about halfway through the journey the audio/visual announcement changed from "30 to Marble Arch" to "30 to Warren Street". It did change a couple of other times, and I had to check if it was going to get me to Euston.
Now this - as far as I am aware - doesn't happen on NX buses, and I think it would be helpful if it did, often passengers aren't aware that a service is being terminated short until the driver asks everyone to get off.
The X1 journies expected to be electric tomorrow are
E162
04:35; 07:05; 10:05 from Birmingham
05:52; 08:38; 11:40 from Coventry
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2023, 12:35:18 PMThe X1 journies expected to be electric tomorrow are
E162
04:35; 07:05; 10:05 from Birmingham
05:52; 08:38; 11:40 from Coventry
Is this a trial or is the X1 service moving to CV?
Quote from: dw1308 on June 12, 2023, 07:34:45 PMIs this a trial or is the X1 service moving to CV?
The X1 will need to go electric at some point to meet Coventry Electric city rules, with electrics available waiting for more chargers to be commissioned at Coventry this is the best time to see the energy consumption on the route so that the schedules can be written accordingly.
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2023, 12:35:18 PMThe X1 journies expected to be electric tomorrow are
E162
04:35; 07:05; 10:05 from Birmingham
05:52; 08:38; 11:40 from Coventry
Will it be the same tomorrow?
Quote from: Mike K on June 08, 2023, 07:44:56 PMI was on 6865 on the 23 this evening which was doing the full route to Bartley Green but got adjusted part way through the journey and was a 23E California when I got off (23/24 badly affected today by roadworks on Harborne Road). Is it normal to adjust journeys part way along the route? There was nothing to inform passengers it was now a short working so I suspect a lot would have been turfed off early (there was another bus just in front).
This happened again tonight. Temporary lights by the White Swan are still there and are now compounded by 4 way temporary lights at the Harborne swimming baths stop, so the 23 and 24 are absolutely screwed at the moment (4 23s and 3 24s within a couple of minutes of each other from city this evening). Was on 6876 which was supposed to be doing the full route, but driver got adjusted, saying he'd exceeded his hours and was turfed off at Harborne baths onto 6879 behind.
Incidentally, does anyone else always feel like, when buses are running in convoy, they manage to end up on this bus that seems to amble along when other buses go sailing past like they're been driven by Lewis Hamilton (like 6841 which left us and another 23 in its wake)?
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2023, 12:35:18 PMThe X1 journies expected to be electric tomorrow are
E162
04:35; 07:05; 10:05 from Birmingham
05:52; 08:38; 11:40 from Coventry
Did E160 fail today as the 11:40 tom Coventry didn't run.
E092 turned up instead running 20minutes late
Quote from: GoldenSquid on June 14, 2023, 11:55:07 AMDid E160 fail today as the 11:40 tom Coventry didn't run.
E092 turned up instead running 20minutes late
No. It was a deliberate swap. E092 will also do the duty tomorrow
Both 6948 and 6825 heading back to garage this evening instead of doing 17:00 and 17:20 outbound trips.
I thought the driver shortages was being sorted?
Also each time I've see this happen (which is concerning to say in itself), the outbound X21s seem to be affected only and the X22s run fine.
The four buses that arrived from Coventry yesterday are all out in service
4772 on 94/95
4886 on Pershore Road
4888 on 97s
4993 on Harbornes
6844 looks to be in a state broke advertisement frame dented body panels
Some of the 23/24 and X21/X22 branded buses are having their branding adjusted to say every 5 and 10 mins respectively (even that's a bit generous given how many don't end up running).
QuoteSome of the 23/24 and X21/X22 branded buses are having their branding adjusted to say every 5 and 10 mins respectively (even that's a bit generous given how many don't end up running).
Aren't they being debranded
Quote from: BBS on June 16, 2023, 07:08:15 PMAren't they being debranded
4 Harborne ones were debranded, 6858-6861. There were 22 branded ones, and following frequency reductions over most of the network, that was too many for the reduced PVR. None of the University ones have been debranded as far as I'm aware.
So it looks like 6887 which was supposed to do the 16:20 X21 to Bartley Green was taken away to do a 97 to Chemlsey Wood instead. I am curious as to what the thought process is behind a decision like that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 16, 2023, 10:46:13 PMSo it looks like 6887 which was supposed to do the 16:20 X21 to Bartley Green was taken away to do a 97 to Chemlsey Wood instead. I am curious as to what the thought process is behind a decision like that.
Could be there was 1 spare driver available for this bus who was not route trained on the x21 but could run an otherwise missing 97 so that got run instead.
Plenty of scenarios possible, clearly not good if you want an x21 but the driver shortage is not over yet so unfortunately things like this will continue.
Also, the 97 is pretty much the only bus that runs down that route out of the city now (Bordesley Green/Meadway), whereas there are alternatives for parts of the x21 route.
Quote from: ellspurs on June 17, 2023, 05:57:12 AMAlso, the 97 is pretty much the only bus that runs down that route out of the city now (Bordesley Green/Meadway), whereas there are alternatives for parts of the x21 route.
That can be argued both ways though, there's alternatives for parts of the 97 too, whereby the main suberbian sections of the X21 there isn't.
Also add to the fact that the 97 is every 5 mins anyway so there's nowhere near as much of a wait for the next one.
What
@j789 said I can understand but not that.
QuoteAlso add to the fact that the 97 is every 5 mins anyway so there's nowhere near as much of a wait for the next one.
That's not the case, either in theory or in practice!
Quote from: Isle of Stroma on June 17, 2023, 08:48:59 PMThat's not the case, either in theory or in practice!
It's still three times more frequent than the X21 during the day though, so the impact of one missing bus is not as bad.
Quote from: Mike K on June 17, 2023, 10:57:26 PMIt's still three times more frequent than the X21 during the day though, so the impact of one missing bus is not as bad.
Depends if it carries three times as many passengers
Quote from: Lukeee on June 18, 2023, 02:39:44 AMDepends if it carries three times as many passengers
It's three times more frequent so one missing bus is an 11% reduction in hourly capacity of one route vs a 33% reduction in hourly capacity of the other. Unless I'm missing the point.
What I can't understand is why the branding has been changed to reflect the frequencies now all of a sudden. The Uni line has been every 10 mins ever since the X20 disappeared for example so its a bit weird really. Unless more changes are going to happen.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 18, 2023, 01:58:26 PMWhat I can't understand is why the branding has been changed to reflect the frequencies now all of a sudden. The Uni line has been every 10 mins ever since the X20 disappeared for example so its a bit weird really. Unless more changes are going to happen.
I assume they waiting to see if passenger numbers pick up to the old levels before changing time to review etc , perhaps future projections they are not going too so make the changes.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 18, 2023, 01:58:26 PMWhat I can't understand is why the branding has been changed to reflect the frequencies now all of a sudden. The Uni line has been every 10 mins ever since the X20 disappeared for example so its a bit weird really. Unless more changes are going to happen.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 18, 2023, 04:48:36 PMI assume they waiting to see if passenger numbers pick up to the old levels before changing time to review etc , perhaps future projections they are not going too so make the changes.
It was due to the shortage of drivers, but since the strike the rotas at BC are now filling up with names.
Now, with the new duties coming in next month, I assume they want to see how it plans out before increasing the service frequency. This results in more lines on the rota with more duties to cover.
Hi, I've just applied to work for BC garage, as a new driver do you get to choose what routes you'd prefer to do? Or is that chosen for you.
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 07:05:58 AMHi, I've just applied to work for BC garage, as a new driver do you get to choose what routes you'd prefer to do? Or is that chosen for you.
Chosen for you but you can put in a request to change rota/routes, at least that's how it was when I was at NX.
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 07:05:58 AMHi, I've just applied to work for BC garage, as a new driver do you get to choose what routes you'd prefer to do? Or is that chosen for you.
Before you start driving on your own, get signed off on as many routes as possible. When I was at AG, I was usually on the 11 but was signed off on all other routes bar the 71/72/966 at the time. It meant I drove a variety of services.
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 07:05:58 AMHi, I've just applied to work for BC garage, as a new driver do you get to choose what routes you'd prefer to do? Or is that chosen for you.
It gets chosen for you, I'm currently signed off on the 60/97 but going to try and get a permit for the X12/X13 and X1/X2 services
So if I was to start and tell them I already know routes 94/95 and X12/X13 does it mean I'll get them or will i have to learn more routes!
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 11:38:27 PMSo if I was to start and tell them I already know routes 94/95 and X12/X13 does it mean I'll get them or will i have to learn more routes!
All depends whether there's space on the 94/95 or X12/X13 rota
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 11:38:27 PMSo if I was to start and tell them I already know routes 94/95 and X12/X13 does it mean I'll get them or will i have to learn more routes!
You still have to do the route learning and be signed off on the routes and also if there is space on the rota for you to go into but most likely you will be put on the 45/47 or the 60 service to begin with
As I said, get signed off on as many routes as you can. You can even mention to your DTO the routes you know. I did that at AG and was told just to spend a trip on each route rather than full days. They will only justify spending the expense of having you route training for a certain amount of days so get signed off on as much as you can.
It doesn't matter about rotas etc as there'll always be days where certain other drivers only know certain routes which will give the company flexibility to move you around as and when. There'll also be a greater variety of overtime opportunities for you, even if you spend the majority of time on one or two services.
Incidently 4916 is missing because it is the same as 6875. Both received heavy rear end RTCs from other vehicles driving into them stationary which causes probably the most damage of any RTC
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2023, 07:31:43 PMIncidently 4916 is missing because it is the same as 6875. Both received heavy rear end RTCs from other vehicles driving into them stationary which causes probably the most damage of any RTC
here at W/B there's a crimson Volvo Gemini 45?? that's been rear ended it does'nt look bad but i suspect its knocked the engine cradle or something for it deemed to be not warrant repairing.
Quote from: Jack D on June 26, 2023, 11:38:27 PMSo if I was to start and tell them I already know routes 94/95 and X12/X13 does it mean I'll get them or will i have to learn more routes!
It depends on the capacity of the rota, I know X12/X13 rota does have some lines on there. But could be all gone by the time you get here at BC.
4940 first day in service in Grey is out on the 94/95 (edit, now back in garage)
4884 on its first day at BC is on the X21/X22 all day
Unusually high numbers of non-Platinums on the 23/24 today, including 97 branded 4469 and several 4900s, 4921 and 4936 among them.
Quote from: Mike K on July 18, 2023, 05:45:16 PMUnusually high numbers of non-Platinums on the 23/24 today, including 97 branded 4469 and several 4900s, 4921 and 4936 among them.
4620 and a NXC liveried Enviro were on the X14 as well, which is usually solid platinums
Any more rumours where these 2 new replacement depots are going to be located , I read somewhere the are both going to hold up to 150 buses which represents an expansion on the current bc allocation?
I am on 6854, x12 and the driver has just had to get off and go to the back to restart the engine as it wouldn't restart after stopping in the middle of Birmingham Business Park. Thankfully it restarted. Do these buses automatically turn the engine off when stopped or does the handbrake need to be put on?
Quote from: ellspurs on August 12, 2023, 04:04:18 PMI am on 6854, x12 and the driver has just had to get off and go to the back to restart the engine as it wouldn't restart after stopping in the middle of Birmingham Business Park. Thankfully it restarted. Do these buses automatically turn the engine off when stopped or does the handbrake need to be put on?
Only the platinum turn off auto to save fuel, I'm sure it's only when the hand brake is applied but someone who drives them on here will be best to confirm that.
Quote from: LiamsTransport1 on August 12, 2023, 04:08:31 PMOnly the platinum turn off auto to save fuel, I'm sure it's only when the hand brake is applied but someone who drives them on here will be best to confirm that.
The engine on a platinum will turn off once the handbrake is applied, it will also turn off if the doors are open which again you have to have the handbrake applied. However sometimes the start/stop system glitches and the engine doesn't come back on which just involves cycling the ignition to turn the bus back on, not sure why the driver had to go to the engine compartment to restart the vehicle though
Quote from: ellspurs on August 12, 2023, 04:04:18 PMI am on 6854, x12 and the driver has just had to get off and go to the back to restart the engine as it wouldn't restart after stopping in the middle of Birmingham Business Park. Thankfully it restarted. Do these buses automatically turn the engine off when stopped or does the handbrake need to be put on?
That just sounds like a normal day on the X12...
Quote from: GoldenSquid on August 13, 2023, 10:27:17 PMThat just sounds like a normal day on the X12...
West Brom's platinum fleet right mixture with start/stop, some only stop engine when saloon doors open others every time the handbrake is applied but if you dab the gas pedal it over rides it but not if doors are open.
There're times platinum's lose the plot and you have to turn everything off and restart never had to leave the cab to restart one though, so many electrical gremlins its unreal just shite buses IMO
Quote from: 2900 on August 14, 2023, 08:45:03 AMWest Brom's platinum fleet right mixture with start/stop, some only stop engine when saloon doors open others every time the handbrake is applied but if you dab the gas pedal it over rides it but not if doors are open.
There're times platinum's lose the plot and you have to turn everything off and restart never had to leave the cab to restart one though, so many electrical gremlins its unreal just shite buses IMO
BC platinums have the same issues.
So looks like
- X1 going to Coventry garage.
- X14 going back to Perry Barr.
- 14 coming back to Birmingham Central. Will be joining the Stechford Rota along with 94/95.
- X2 will be going onto Bromford Rota along with X12/X13.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on August 24, 2023, 05:57:49 PMSo looks like
- X1 going to Coventry garage.
Seems logical enough and the only short-term way to ensure that all NX buses in Coventry are electric.
I will presume that Coventry has the capacity - and vehicles - to take on this route.
Any idea when this might be happening? I would guess not any time soon, maybe a few months off?
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on August 24, 2023, 05:57:49 PMSo looks like
- X1 going to Coventry garage.
- X14 going back to Perry Barr.
- 14 coming back to Birmingham Central. Will be joining the Stechford Rota along with 94/95.
- X2 will be going onto Bromford Rota along with X12/X13.
When is this starting?
Query: what timeframe do they have for the Sprint Walsall-Solihull service to be launched? Moving the x2 onto the x12/x13 rota doesn't seem to be something that would just be done for a short time.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 24, 2023, 06:10:12 PMQuery: what timeframe do they have for the Sprint Walsall-Solihull service to be launched? Moving the x2 onto the x12/x13 rota doesn't seem to be something that would just be done for a short time.
Next year, at the earliest, for the 'proper' full Sprint launch with articulated vehicles. Personally, I think it won't happen until 2025, or maybe won't even happen at all.
Do we know if there's a deadline for this in terms of government funding contribution?
Quote from: cardew on August 24, 2023, 06:39:33 PMDo we know if there's a deadline for this in terms of government funding contribution?
Deadline for what?
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 06:41:30 PMDeadline for what?
For the purchase of the attics. I may have misunderstood if it comes under BSIP.
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 06:19:39 PMNext year, at the earliest, for the 'proper' full Sprint launch with articulated vehicles. Personally, I think it won't happen until 2025, or maybe won't even happen at all.
If it is articulated buses then I hope it doesn't happen at all. As far as I'm aware the seating capacity on these
pretend trams is lower than a double decker, if that is the case then there is no way passengers who normally sit on a double decker will not want to stand on a
pretend tram !
Quote from: ellspurs on August 24, 2023, 06:10:12 PMQuery: what timeframe do they have for the Sprint Walsall-Solihull service to be launched? Moving the x2 onto the x12/x13 rota doesn't seem to be something that would just be done for a short time.
Are the early morning International - City journeys going to Coventry as well? Presuming these will still run?
Quote from: 2206 on August 24, 2023, 07:28:03 PMAre the early morning International - City journeys going to Coventry as well? Presuming these will still run?
They're in the updated timetable dated 3rd September. If the bus is already out then there'd be no dead running, right?
Would just need to make sure that the buses were rather well charged before they go out.
Quote from: 2206 on August 24, 2023, 07:28:03 PMAre the early morning International - City journeys going to Coventry as well? Presuming these will still run?
I would guess those journeys could 'potentially' be continued to be operated from BC with diesel vehicles, would make sense from an operational point of view.
Depends I suppose on how well they are used, if they only ever carry a handful of passengers, then might end up being scrapped.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 24, 2023, 07:33:59 PMIf the bus is already out then there'd be no dead running, right?
Currently the bus runs dead from BC to Moor Street to start at 1.05 I think.
QuoteSo looks like
...
- X2 will be going onto Bromford Rota along with X12/X13.
Are the X12/X13/X14 currently on the same rota?
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 07:38:14 PMDepends I suppose on how well they are used, if they only ever carry a handful of passengers, then might end up being scrapped.
I'm sure they'll keep them since it does link to an international airport. Haven't the journeys been running for years as well?
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on August 24, 2023, 05:57:49 PMSo looks like
- X1 going to Coventry garage.
- X14 going back to Perry Barr.
- 14 coming back to Birmingham Central. Will be joining the Stechford Rota along with 94/95.
- X2 will be going onto Bromford Rota along with X12/X13.
The 14 and X14 swap should have happened January, But they cancel each other out now. So with the X1 going...couldn't that possibly leave a new route for BC to pick up?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 24, 2023, 06:44:51 PMIf it is articulated buses then I hope it doesn't happen at all. As far as I'm aware the seating capacity on these pretend trams is lower than a double decker, if that is the case then there is no way passengers who normally sit on a double decker will not want to stand on a pretend tram !
The real trams are bad enough
Quote from: mesub on August 24, 2023, 09:22:02 PMAre the X12/X13/X14 currently on the same rota?
As far as I know Bromford Rota used to be
60/X12/X13
then
X12/X13/X14
and will be
X2/X12/X13
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 09:33:00 PMThe 14 and X14 swap should have happened January, But they cancel each other out now. So with the X1 going...couldn't that possibly leave a new route for BC to pick up?
I'm not sure what routes BC could pick up because dead milage has to be taken into consideration, it would have to be a route that goes into the city centre given the location (currently) of the garage. Me personally I would like to see something like the 6 or the 67 come to BC but that's me.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on August 24, 2023, 09:53:12 PMAs far as I know Bromford Rota used to be
60/X12/X13
then
X12/X13/X14
and will be
X2/X12/X13
They should have just left the 60 on the bromford rota, would have given us drivers on the 60 a bit of variety instead of just doing the 60 all the time haha
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 10:01:30 PMThey should have just left the 60 on the bromford rota, would have given us drivers on the 60 a bit of variety instead of just doing the 60 all the time haha
Is the 60 on its own rota now?
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 09:33:00 PMThe 14 and X14 swap should have happened January, But they cancel each other out now. So with the X1 going...couldn't that possibly leave a new route for BC to pick up?
14 has a higher PVR than the X14?
Yes it was a lot higher than the X14 but with the X1 going to Coventry here will probably be about 7 spare platinums
Wasn't the 60 rumoured to move to AG?
Quote from: BBS on August 24, 2023, 10:52:58 PMWasn't the 60 rumoured to move to AG?
I don't think that will ever happen tbh bud
QuoteI don't think that will ever happen tbh bud
That's what I thought to be honest
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 09:59:24 PMI'm not sure what routes BC could pick up because dead milage has to be taken into consideration, it would have to be a route that goes into the city centre given the location (currently) of the garage. Me personally I would like to see something like the 6 or the 67 come to BC but that's me.
Aren't the 65/7 and the 7 on a rota. I mean with the garage closing sometime, I'd imagine it would have to be a route in the east Birmingham too... so possibly 67. Wouldn't think of the 6 tho.
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 10:55:41 PMI don't think that will ever happen tbh bud
The 60 will more move to AG when BC closes
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 09:33:00 PMThe 14 and X14 swap should have happened January, But they cancel each other out now. So with the X1 going...couldn't that possibly leave a new route for BC to pick up?
Or maybe increase the frequency of an existing route.
Quote from: cardew on August 24, 2023, 06:43:58 PMFor the purchase of the attics. I may have misunderstood if it comes under BSIP.
Just to correct myself, I meant ZEBRA not BSIP (too many acronyms).
I have seen reference to Department For Transport deadlines somewhere but can't find it, I would be surprised if it went past the end of 2024 but who knows. This includes 100 double deckers (in addition to the 300 being discussed) and the 24 artics.
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 11:13:02 PMAren't the 65/7 and the 7 on a rota. I mean with the garage closing sometime, I'd imagine it would have to be a route in the east Birmingham too... so possibly 67. Wouldn't think of the 6 tho.
Yes 7 and 65/67 all on same rota, night journeys also interwork
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 07:38:14 PMI would guess those journeys could 'potentially' be continued to be operated from BC with diesel vehicles, would make sense from an operational point of view.
Depends I suppose on how well they are used, if they only ever carry a handful of passengers, then might end up being scrapped.
Usually quite busy at the airport end
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 09:59:24 PMI'm not sure what routes BC could pick up because dead milage has to be taken into consideration, it would have to be a route that goes into the city centre given the location (currently) of the garage. Me personally I would like to see something like the 6 or the 67 come to BC but that's me.
As many local garages closed during the last 30-40 years you're going to get dead mileage on all the routes served by the few garages left. But clever allocations and interworking or odd workings by a different garage can reduce this as much as possible.
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 09:59:24 PMI'm not sure what routes BC could pick up because dead milage has to be taken into consideration, it would have to be a route that goes into the city centre given the location (currently) of the garage. Me personally I would like to see something like the 6 or the 67 come to BC but that's me.
The 35 in the future? The much heralded cross city routes plan puts the 35/45/47 into the same "package". Probably more likely for a new "BC South West" garage than for now though.
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 11:13:02 PMAren't the 65/7 and the 7 on a rota. I mean with the garage closing sometime, I'd imagine it would have to be a route in the east Birmingham too... so possibly 67. Wouldn't think of the 6 tho.
The 6 was just a wishful thinking moment as I used to use the 6 a lot when I was younger with me mates so would have been quite nice for me to drive a bus down roads I used to take when I was a teen.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 25, 2023, 06:04:55 AMThe 60 will more move to AG when BC closes
If the plan to split BC in two comes to fruition then the 60 will probably just move to the new "BC" site, but the only person who will know anything about any of this is Mr Hunter
Quote from: dw1308 on August 25, 2023, 09:09:33 PMThe 6 was just a wishful thinking moment as I used to use the 6 a lot when I was younger with me mates so would have been quite nice for me to drive a bus down roads I used to take when I was a teen. If the plan to split BC in two comes to fruition then the 60 will probably just move to the new "BC" site, but the only person who will know anything about any of this is Mr Hunter
It's more likely that the 60 will move to AG when BC closes because there will be a new garage in East Birmingham which is where the 72 will more than likely go to
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 26, 2023, 07:55:09 AMIt's more likely that the 60 will move to AG when BC closes because there will be a new garage in East Birmingham which is where the 72 will more than likely go to
The 72 + 17 would probably swap for X2 + 60 when the time comes.
( sprint will be abandoned - I doubt people will prefer it to the X2 buses currently)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 26, 2023, 07:55:09 AMIt's more likely that the 60 will move to AG when BC closes because there will be a new garage in East Birmingham which is where the 72 will more than likely go to
If the new garage is built with sufficient capacity, there's no need for the 60 to move to AG.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2023, 05:57:12 PMIf the new garage is built with sufficient capacity, there's no need for the 60 to move to AG.
If being the word.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on August 24, 2023, 09:53:12 PMAs far as I know Bromford Rota used to be
60/X12/X13
then
X12/X13/X14
and will be
X2/X12/X13
That's correct
Quote from: BBS on August 24, 2023, 10:52:58 PMWasn't the 60 rumoured to move to AG?
Quote from: dw1308 on August 24, 2023, 10:55:41 PMI don't think that will ever happen tbh bud
It will when BC closes in around 2-2.5 years
Quote from: 2206 on August 24, 2023, 07:28:03 PMAre the early morning International - City journeys going to Coventry as well? Presuming these will still run?
Don't quote me, but I'm presuming they'll stay at BC as a few drivers quite like doing them
I could be wrong though
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2023, 05:57:12 PMIf the new garage is built with sufficient capacity, there's no need for the 60 to move to AG.
AG is only around the corner from Cranes Park, it would make more sense
Quote from: Owen on August 26, 2023, 01:44:39 PMThe 72 + 17 would probably swap for X2 + 60 when the time comes.
And I believe there wouldn't need to be an allocation of single deckers at AG.
Off-topic posts regarding the Metro tram have been split off:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=317069
With Coventry getting the X1, shouldn't that leave Bc with quite a few more buses extra. I was thinking another route would gain the platinum's... but more than likely the 46** will be discarded somewhere else to even everything out perhaps
They won't have extra buses though with the transfer of the 14 back from PB
Quote from: cris 99 on September 01, 2023, 06:26:25 PMThey won't have extra buses though with the transfer of the 14 back from PB
PB might have extra buses? unless they gain something else as well as the X14?
Quote from: 2206 on September 01, 2023, 06:35:49 PMPB might have extra buses? unless they gain something else as well as the X14?
It's already been said that PB get the 96 & X14
Quote from: cris 99 on September 01, 2023, 06:26:25 PMThey won't have extra buses though with the transfer of the 14 back from PB
The X1 and 14 have a higher pvr than the X14. So x1 leaving would leave leave some extra buses somewhere.
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2023, 06:40:04 PMIt's already been said that PB get the 96 & X14
Oh right. Didn't know that sorry
What's the PVR for the x1
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on September 01, 2023, 06:53:41 PMWhat's the PVR for the x1
It doesn't have one at the moment as it is combined with the X2
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2023, 06:40:04 PMIt's already been said that PB get the 96 & X14
I guess that confirms that NX are getting the 96 back, as I don't see anywhere where it has been announced?
Quote from: ellspurs on September 01, 2023, 07:20:31 PMI guess that confirms that NX are getting the 96 back, as I don't see anywhere where it has been announced?
At least that means less single deckers on dd routes.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 01, 2023, 07:20:31 PMI guess that confirms that NX are getting the 96 back, as I don't see anywhere where it has been announced?
Yes. They are getting the 96 back
From end of October, X21 will be extended to Merry Hill on Sundays. Running an hour service to Merry Hill
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on September 01, 2023, 09:45:09 PMFrom end of October, X21 will be extended to Merry Hill on Sundays. Running an hour service to Merry Hill
Probably replaces Diamond 002 Sunday service, following that route. First time BC buses have ran to Halesowen, Colley Gate, Merry Hill for several years.
QuoteFrom end of October, X21 will be extended to Merry Hill on Sundays. Running an hour service to Merry Hill
I presume the varied route from the city centre will follow the current 002 from the end of Adams Hill rather than turning left onto Wood Lane.
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on September 01, 2023, 09:45:09 PMFrom end of October, X21 will be extended to Merry Hill on Sundays. Running an hour service to Merry Hill
Very funny.
QuoteVery funny.
Why is it funny, Tony said nx has won a tender on a route never been ran by nx. 002 was up for tender on Sundays only. Extending the x21 once an hour is a compromise and good use of resources so the service can be ran.
I said that because I thought it was a joke. It should be. Not only does it suffer delays through City Centre and Selly Oak sometimes, now it could get stuck up Merry Hill way.
I'm sorry, but I personally hope this doesn't last long.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 02, 2023, 04:23:47 PMI said that because I thought it was a joke. It should be. Not only does it suffer delays through City Centre and Selly Oak sometimes, now it could get stuck up Merry Hill way.
I'm sorry, but I personally hope this doesn't last long.
On a Sunday?
Quote from: ellspurs on September 02, 2023, 04:25:31 PMOn a Sunday?
Any because there's only buses on the road on a Sunday.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 02, 2023, 04:26:33 PMAny because there's only buses on the road on a Sunday.
But the x21 extension to Merry Hill is only on a Sunday, it appears (mostly via the 002 route).
Quote from: ellspurs on September 02, 2023, 04:33:33 PMBut the x21 extension to Merry Hill is only on a Sunday, it appears (mostly via the 002 route).
I know that.
I clearly misread your typo'd sentence then.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 02, 2023, 04:44:18 PMI clearly misread your typo'd sentence then.
There weren't any typos.
QuoteThere weren't any typos.
Tbh there isn't alot of traffic in merry hill on Sunday (maybe towards Christmas yes) but I doubt it'll impact it much. If the 002 can meet to timetable on Sunday, surely the X21 can too and they'll probably work in rest times at Merry Hill as the journey will probably take roughly an hour and a half. X21 is roughly 40 mins end to end on Sundays
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 02, 2023, 05:08:02 PMTbh there isn't alot of traffic in merry hill on Sunday (maybe towards Christmas yes) but I doubt it'll impact it much. If the 002 can meet to timetable on Sunday, surely the X21 can too and they'll probably work in rest times at Merry Hill as the journey will probably take roughly an hour and a half. X21 is roughly 40 mins end to end on Sundays
I'm sure they currently interwork with the X22 on Sundays if I'm not mistaken, if so I'm guessing that won't be possible on the Merry Hill journeys.
Maybe you're right, Sundays might not be so bad. Problem would be if this was seen as successful and eventually replaced the 002 altogether.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 02, 2023, 11:11:24 AMVery funny.
Thank you, I do find myself to be a bit of a comedian! But this information isn't 😎
What is the fleet number of the 101 brand parked in Birmingham central garage
Also how long is it until 4467 is moved out of pits and 5512 and 7520 also smoke coming out of 6835 in BC
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 02:35:08 PMWhat is the fleet number of the 101 brand parked in Birmingham central garage
Could it be 4825? I saw it being towed along Colmore Row on Friday night
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 02:42:28 PMAlso how long is it until 4467 is moved out of pits and 5512 and 7520 also smoke coming out of 6835 in BC
You'll know when you see them tracking on bustimes...
Quote from: Jack on September 17, 2023, 04:44:14 PMYou'll know when you see them tracking on bustimes...
I wouldn't hold your breath - 5505 hasn't tracked since November 2022. Is seemingly always at Hartshornes according to 'Buses away from home garages'. In fact a handful of the Volvo hybrids appear to be out of action?
Quote from: Jack on September 17, 2023, 04:44:14 PMYou'll know when you see them tracking on bustimes...
5505 is waiting for a gearbox splitter shaft
5512 isn't VoR
Good of the driver on 4949 tonight to tell the man smoking or get off or stop and next time the police will be called tonight.
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2023, 06:08:29 PM5505 is waiting for a gearbox splitter shaft
5512 isn't VoR
Oh because the photo I got of it today in pits looks broken
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 08:15:44 PMOh because the photo I got of it today in pits looks broken
Define "looks broken" please.
Also what were you doing inside the garage?
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2023, 08:19:02 PMDefine "looks broken" please.
Also what were you doing inside the garage?
It's for me to know not you
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 08:19:54 PMIt's for me to know not you
So your openly admitting to trespassing on private property?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on September 17, 2023, 08:32:19 PMSo your openly admitting to trespassing on private property?
If that's what u want to say
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 08:19:54 PMIt's for me to know not you
Please, just answer my question.
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2023, 09:14:37 PMPlease, just answer my question.
No I didn't tresspas I took a picture through the broken window I'm not a person who wants to trespass I'm not that desperate
Yet Callum Willis was outside the BC depot today
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 17, 2023, 09:24:37 PMNo I didn't tresspas I took a picture through the broken window I'm not a person who wants to trespass I'm not that desperate
Oh really because you both have been known to do it at BC... honestly how you're still on this forum is completely beyond me.
Quote from: Jack on September 17, 2023, 09:32:59 PMOh really because you both have been known to do it at BC... honestly how you're still on this forum is completely beyond me.
So what I didn't do anything wrong on a public footpath what's wrong with taking photos from a public footpath
End of argument please.
Buses have routine servicing done on pits as well as defects repaired.
The photos I've seen were taken from the street
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2023, 10:00:06 PMEnd of argument please.
Buses have routine servicing done on pits as well as defects repaired.
The photos I've seen were taken from the street
Perhaps you could shed a bit of light on the 101 branded enviro that's in the engineering bays at BC, engine repairs or? Only reason I ask is I have seen it when going up to Adderley Street in the mornings to pick up my allocated vehicle
You certainly used to be able to see the pits area at BC (Liverpool St in my day) from the road outside. Mind you I've got lots of photos taken inside the garage as well (on permitted visits or with ad hoc permission), and judging from the volume of photos on Flickr, other people did as well :smiley:
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Quote from: don on September 18, 2023, 01:43:42 AMYou certainly used to be able to see the pits area at BC (Liverpool St in my day) from the road outside. Mind you I've got lots of photos taken inside the garage as well (on permitted visits or with ad hoc permission), and judging from the volume of photos on Flickr, other people did as well :smiley:
Doubt it
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 18, 2023, 09:33:17 AM1¹Doubt it
Care to elaborate on what part of
@don 's post you doubt?
I agree with
@don that you *could* see the BC pits many moons ago from the street, indeed, at WA from the end of Carl Street back in the 80's too.
Also, depending upon who you speak to, both permitted and adhoc requested visits would offer a greater visibility.
6865 23/24 branded was at Halesowen Bus Station earlier today X21 route learning.
Now out on the evening 877/X1 board.
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2023, 08:18:39 PM6865 23/24 branded was at Halesowen Bus Station earlier today X21 route learning.
Now out on the evening 877/X1 board.
Getting ready for the 29th
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on October 07, 2023, 01:40:43 PMGetting ready for the 29th
I can see a lot of drivers on the uni rotas hating the extension to Merry Hill
Quote from: dw1308 on October 07, 2023, 05:31:58 PMI can see a lot of drivers on the uni rotas hating the extension to Merry Hill
Can't see why? Being stuck in Birmingham city centre traffic is just replaced by being stuck in Merry Hill traffic!
Quote from: dw1308 on October 07, 2023, 05:31:58 PMI can see a lot of drivers on the uni rotas hating the extension to Merry Hill
All the ones I've spoke to, don't mind it
Any reason why BC vehicles are tracking on the 14 to Chelmsley?
Quote from: BusDriverBosh on October 09, 2023, 05:52:09 PMAny reason why BC vehicles are tracking on the 14 to Chelmsley?
One vehicle is, as it is on the BC board on the 14
X21 and X22 getting battered once again. Guessing more train strikes?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2023, 05:25:12 PMX21 and X22 getting battered once again. Guessing more train strikes?
Don't think there are any train strikes today?
Is it the university's first full week back?
Yes, X21/X22 has 5 extra PVR on it today compared to September
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2023, 06:19:12 PMYes, X21/X22 has 5 extra PVR on it today compared to September
There hasn't been any timetable changes that I can see. Still every 10 mins.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2023, 06:57:39 PMThere hasn't been any timetable changes that I can see. Still every 10 mins.
Could be more drop back on same frequency to avoid late running
Quote from: Lukeee on October 10, 2023, 07:48:28 PMCould be more drop back on same frequency to avoid late running
Ah okay, fair. That'll still be tough to achieve with traffic levels right now!
I've been thinking for a while now that the 23/24 really needs extra capacity during rush hour and my thoughts were echoed this evening by the driver of 7521, who asked multiple standees if they could move away from the buggy zone so he could accommodate another mother and pushchair. "Too many people, not enough buses, it's the same every day" were his words.
Peak hour usage on those services must be at or close to pre-pandemic levels on Mon-Thurs at least.
They really struggle on a 5 minute frequency, with most journeys having large standing loads, often even when there are 2 buses together. Pretty much every inbound morning peak bus leaves Harborne High St full, and just a small gap in service results in carnage.
I know they've had a minor frequency increase last month, but would hope that as the driver shortage eases further, they could possibly consider restoring the previous 4 minute rush hour frequency. As it is, the commute to and from work is not a pleasurable one.
I don't doubt that there may be other services in a similar position.
Yeah from what I've seen most City services appear to be a bit busier now.
Not sure what the solution is though.
Must be extra profits if everyone is standing.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 17, 2023, 06:37:53 PMMust be extra profits if everyone is standing.
More a case of covering costs than extra profit
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2023, 06:31:12 PMI've been thinking for a while now that the 23/24 really needs extra capacity during rush hour and my thoughts were echoed this evening by the driver of 7521, who asked multiple standees if they could move away from the buggy zone so he could accommodate another mother and pushchair. "Too many people, not enough buses, it's the same every day" were his words.
Is the expectation for buggies to be folded up on busy services still there, or has that gone down the wayside?
(I know in practice this is unlikely to happen, but I remember the signage on the buses when the zones were first brought in signs to this effect were up.)
Quote from: ellspurs on October 17, 2023, 06:49:35 PMIs the expectation for buggies to be folded up on busy services still there, or has that gone down the wayside?
(I know in practice this is unlikely to happen, but I remember the signage on the buses when the zones were first brought in signs to this effect were up.)
I can't remember the last time I saw a buggy being folded since low floor buses were introduced. Modern buggies are usually big and bulky, and not easy stowed away so I'm not sure it's practical. Also not easy if your toddler is very young.
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2023, 07:13:25 PMI can't remember the last time I saw a buggy being folded since low floor buses were introduced. Modern buggies are usually big and bulky, and not easy stowed away so I'm not sure it's practical. Also not easy if your toddler is very young.
Ok.
I was intrigued so I had a look to see if there is anything about them on the NX website, and there is (https://nxbus.co.uk/media/10302/disability-accessibility-policy.pdf).
Basically only when there is a wheelchair/mobility scooter user on board are they required to fold them up (or at least ensure that the wheelchair has adequate room).
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 17, 2023, 06:37:19 PMYeah from what I've seen most City services appear to be a bit busier now.
Not sure what the solution is though.
What might help is if TfWM made some informative videos to help educate bus passengers as to what they can do themselves to maximise capacity on a vehicle.
Things like take a seat if one is available.
Sit upstairs if you're able to.
Put your bag on your lap so someone else can sit down next to you.
More people can stand if you don't use the fold-down seats.
And stand in the designated standing area rather than blocking the narrowest part of the bus.
Quote from: Stu on October 17, 2023, 07:42:09 PMWhat might help is if TfWM made some informative videos to help educate bus passengers as to what they can do themselves to maximise capacity on a vehicle.
Things like take a seat if one is available.
Sit upstairs if you're able to.
Put your bag on your lap so someone else can sit down next to you.
More people can stand if you don't use the fold-down seats.
And stand in the designated standing area rather than blocking the narrowest part of the bus.
Yeah because the people that do occupy two seats and put bags on seats are really going to be considerate enough to watch educational videos on bus etiquette!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 17, 2023, 09:06:01 PMthere are very few routes that have competing operators on now, the 50 the only real one
The Travel Express route in Wolverhampton to Underhill is still going to.
Looks like BC are putting on some extra peak X2 journeys. Notice an extra short from Swan Yardley to Solihull is on the timetable in both directions 07:46, 15:29.
Going off what Mike said yesterday I can't comment on all journeys obviously but the X21 journey I take in the mornings is definitely significantly busier of late. It even left a few people behind this morning.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 18, 2023, 08:07:27 AMGoing off what Mike said yesterday I can't comment on all journeys obviously but the X21 journey I take in the mornings is definitely significantly busier of late. It even left a few people behind this morning.
My 997 in the morning to work is becoming more and more busier too lately, it never used to have nearly every seat taken before it got to Perry Barr, now it does.
Why isn't the blue removes of 97 buses spread these out on all central bus root
not fair right now
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 18, 2023, 09:17:02 PMWhy isn't the blue removes of 97 buses spread these out on all central bus root
not fair right now
Whats not fair? There's only a few left so the 97 sees those and a mixture of 49XX/Platinums anyway.
I caught 4393 last night, very nice clean internally and good ride quality to ,and that ones 21 years old now. Did the job of taking passengers from A to B nicely.
Quote from: 2206 on October 18, 2023, 09:21:10 PMWhats not fair? There's only a few left so the 97 sees those and a mixture of 49XX/Platinums anyway.
I caught 4393 last night, very nice clean internally and good ride quality to ,and that ones 21 years old now. Did the job of taking passengers from A to B nicely.
Not fair : not balanced because every other place has better
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 18, 2023, 09:26:51 PMNot fair : not balanced because every other place has better
Whats wrong with the 97's allocation?
Quote from: Jack on October 18, 2023, 09:46:39 PMWhats wrong with the 97's allocation?
If 14. 47. 45. 61 .62 .94 .95. 97 all get 1 trident each 1 day that will balance out old on 97. 97 is ready for something standard with every over one even new electric ⚡️
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 18, 2023, 11:10:55 PMIf 14. 47. 45. 61 .62 .94 .95. 97 all get 1 trident each 1 day that will balance out old on 97. 97 is ready for something standard with every over one even new electric ⚡️
Do you think the allocator would have an easy job putting out 1 Trident each to every route? Nothing wrong with the Tridents or E400's on the 97.
Quote from: Jack on October 18, 2023, 09:46:39 PMWhats wrong with the 97's allocation?
Its his local route therefore it should get the newest buses obviously
I agree myself i think the 65 and the 7 (and (eventually the 96) should get the hydrogens
Quote from: EK40 on October 19, 2023, 08:21:58 AMIts his local route therefore it should get the newest buses obviously
I agree myself i think the 65 and the 7 (and (eventually the 96) should get the hydrogens
Why would a single-deck route (96) get double-decker Hydrogens ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 19, 2023, 08:46:55 AMWhy would a single-deck route (96) get double-decker Hydrogens ?
(Joke)
Quote from: EK40 on October 19, 2023, 08:21:58 AMIts his local route therefore it should get the newest buses obviously
I agree myself i think the 65 and the 7 (and (eventually the 96) should get the hydrogens
The 12s, 48s and 89 are big enough routes for platinum status surely?
Apart from the tridents, the 97 gets the standard allocation that most BC routes get, Enviro 400s
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 19, 2023, 10:01:25 AMThe 12s, 48s and 89 are big enough routes for platinum status surely?
Apart from the tridents, the 97 gets the standard allocation that most BC routes get, Enviro 400s
Yeah the 97 just has the standard BC allocation alongside the branded alx400s
For the first point i guess the main issue for those routes is that they arent main trunk routes which the platinums mainly are on especially since the 89 is getting curtailed to bearwood next month
Quote from: EK40 on October 19, 2023, 10:09:41 AMYeah the 97 just has the standard BC allocation alongside the branded alx400s
For the first point i guess the main issue for those routes is that they arent main trunk routes which the platinums mainly are on especially since the 89 is getting curtailed to bearwood next month
I was joking about the 12, 48 and 89 getting platinums
How long do those 44** tridents have left?
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 19, 2023, 07:14:40 PMHow long do those 44** tridents have left?
Ill bet theyre off as soon as a new batch of buses arrive
Quote from: EK40 on October 19, 2023, 08:21:58 AMIts his local route therefore it should get the newest buses obviously
I agree myself i think the 65 and the 7 (and (eventually the 96) should get the hydrogens
I think 97 14 74 I use them all time. Is 14 coming back Monday when
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 19, 2023, 07:14:40 PMI was joking about the 12, 48 and 89 getting platinums
How long do those 44** tridents have left?
I think after the non Euro 6 fleet have gone and new deliveries arrive.
But till then they are out earning there keep.
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 19, 2023, 07:19:48 PMI think 97 14 74 I use them all time. Is 14 coming back Monday when
back on Sunday
7523 - last diesel X1 bus
Seeing as the X1 now has electrics are they actually capable of 60mph?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 22, 2023, 09:26:15 AMSeeing as the X1 now has electrics are they actually capable of 60mph?
No, but neither are the vast majority of buses, so not sure what difference it makes
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 22, 2023, 09:26:15 AMSeeing as the X1 now has electrics are they actually capable of 60mph?
Probably not as iirc as any bus limited to 62mph needs a tacho so they most likely are limited to the same speed the mmcs are.
Quote from: EK40 on October 22, 2023, 10:37:10 AMProbably not as iirc as any bus limited to 62mph needs a tacho so they most likely are limited to the same speed the mmcs are.
You can limit buses to 60 and not need a tacho, but in general all NX buses are limited to 50, there are a few exceptions.
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 22, 2023, 12:46:59 AM7523 - last diesel X1 bus
7529 worked the 2315 to Coventry and presumably the non tracking return journey at 0020 arriving to Birmingham at 0122 - some sort of flaw causing some post midnight trips to not track on three nights of the week, something to do with the timetable being 'different' from the day before I guess?.
Quote from: JPC on October 22, 2023, 12:00:54 PM7529 worked the 2315 to Coventry and presumably the non tracking return journey at 0020 arriving to Birmingham at 0122 - some sort of flaw causing some post midnight trips to not track on three nights of the week, something to do with the timetable being 'different' from the day before I guess?.
The timetable changed as of midnight this morning.
There's no longer a 0020 departure from Coventry. CV began operations with the new 0004 departure.
Presumably 7529 would have just run dead back to garage after finishing in Coventry Pool Meadow.
Quote from: Stu on October 22, 2023, 06:16:45 PMThe timetable changed as of midnight this morning.
There's no longer a 0020 departure from Coventry. CV began operations with the new 0004 departure.
Presumably 7529 would have just run dead back to garage after finishing in Coventry Pool Meadow.
Fair enough, I did hint previously that one or the other didn't need to run this morning, I don't have proof if BC ran the 0020 this morning but the journey was always missing from tracking over the past few months on three nights of the week, namely late night Fri, Sat and Sun, and as they were technically Sat, Sun and Mon morning the system was unable to assign the tracking to a trip on those days?.
I will look out to see if similar missing tracking occurs with the 0015 to Coventry this week.
Quote from: JPC on October 22, 2023, 07:38:31 PMFair enough, I did hint previously that one or the other didn't need to run this morning, I don't have proof if BC ran the 0020 this morning but the journey was always missing from tracking over the past few months on three nights of the week, namely late night Fri, Sat and Sun, and as they were technically Sat, Sun and Mon morning the system was unable to assign the tracking to a trip on those days?.
I will look out to see if similar missing tracking occurs with the 0015 to Coventry this week.
There is probably some kind of 'glitch' in the data somewhere, where a service schedule rolls over into the following day.
Or perhaps the driver is logging onto the wrong journey somehow.
CV's first trip on the X1 shows as trip 84 and was either 12 hours early or late, but did appear to depart from Pool Meadow at the new time of 00:04:
https://bustimes.org/services/x1-birmingham-coventry-via-airport/vehicles#journeys/493139133
Whats up with 4917? not seen service since last year (I checked vehicles away from home and not tracking)
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 08, 2023, 07:59:18 AMWhats up with 4917? not seen service since last year (I checked vehicles away from home and not tracking)
It's out almost every day
I notice the new X22 destination displays for Bartley Green have via points on the front display but only Bartley Green in bigger font on the rear one. Is this a change that's going to happen across the board or an error?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 08, 2023, 05:23:24 PMI notice the new X22 destination displays for Bartley Green have via points on the front display but only Bartley Green in bigger font on the rear one. Is this a change that's going to happen across the board or an error?
It's actually always been like that (at least since NX started to do destinations in house). I have seen it on one or two rare occasions, before the route changes occured. It would definitely be useful to have.
There's also no stop announcements (and the stop announcements towards Birmingham are outdated).
Quote from: mesub on November 08, 2023, 10:09:14 PMIt's actually always been like that (at least since NX started to do destinations in house). I have seen it on one or two rare occasions, before the route changes occured. It would definitely be useful to have.
There's also no stop announcements (and the stop announcements towards Birmingham are outdated).
No it was like that previously on short working journeys.
But it would be the same on both sides.
The NSA always disappear when a destination display is changed as I think they are linked to it.
Also to be fair they've had erroneous NSA on a lot of buses for the Commonwealth Games for ages anyway.
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 09, 2023, 07:26:43 AMSorry I meant 4916
Probably still parked up in the garage awaiting some panels, I presume this is the case because it was there when I left for my weeks holiday
Quote from: dw1308 on November 09, 2023, 06:55:17 PMProbably still parked up in the garage awaiting some panels, I presume this is the case because it was there when I left for my weeks holiday
Needs a bit more than panels, but yes.
What revs are the BX13s limited to before changing gear?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 11, 2023, 08:01:36 PMWhat revs are the BX13s limited to before changing gear?
Some change about 1900RPM and some change at about 1700RPM I wouldn't say they are "limited" to any RPM just what the gearbox software decides is necessary for the load being put through it
Does anyone know what the red and white gemeni is parked up in BC?
QuoteDoes anyone know what the red and white gemeni is parked up in BC?
It's 4658 Tony said it's parked at BC because of some engine swap
I see a Walsall scania is parked in Birmingham central, is this due to them being on hydro boards?
Does anyone know what the electric bus is parked in the corner behind the fuel bay at Birmingham central please.
Also does anyone know what the blue and white enviro 400 is parked up at the back of Birmingham central where the shutters are please.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 09, 2024, 05:04:03 PMDoes anyone know what the electric bus is parked in the corner behind the fuel bay at Birmingham central please.
It changes 2 or 3 times a day
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 06:07:40 PMIt changes 2 or 3 times a day
Oh I see thankyou anyway, what is the enviro 400 blue and white at the back?
Quote from: jasmine on January 09, 2024, 09:49:45 PMSeemingly every MMC in town today didn't have the 'via' section on their rear display, anyone know what's up with that?
Most BC Platinums (and potentially others, but I haven't had an opportunity to see) had their stop announcements updated just after the new year.
Obviously someone made a decision that the via points on the rear destination display shouldn't be displayed anymore, so that's the case now.
Quote from: mesub on January 10, 2024, 07:30:58 PMMost BC Platinums (and potentially others, but I haven't had an opportunity to see) had their stop announcements updated just after the new year.
Obviously someone made a decision that the via points on the rear destination display shouldn't be displayed anymore, so that's the case now.
The Via points still display, the new blinds on the rear blinds transition, it says for example 16 Hamstead, then on next part it says 16 hamstead via handsworth ect.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 10, 2024, 07:52:00 PMThe Via points still display, the new blinds on the rear blinds transition, it says for example 16 Hamstead, then on next part it says 16 hamstead via handsworth ect.
Not on BC buses they don't. It's just a static display showing 23 Bartley Green for example.
Not sure what's to be gained from removing the 'via' information for passengers to be honest. The route number is still the same size, it was clear what route the bus was on and where it was going before they changed the displays.
Quote from: Mike K on January 10, 2024, 09:06:50 PMNot on BC buses they don't. It's just a static display showing 23 Bartley Green for example.
Not sure what's to be gained from removing the 'via' information for passengers to be honest. The route number is still the same size, it was clear what route the bus was on and where it was going before they changed the displays.
The X2 is showing a larger final destination "Solihull" and then Railway Station on the right side. All static.
Quote from: Mike K on January 10, 2024, 09:06:50 PMNot on BC buses they don't. It's just a static display showing 23 Bartley Green for example.
Not sure what's to be gained from removing the 'via' information for passengers to be honest. The route number is still the same size, it was clear what route the bus was on and where it was going before they changed the displays.
a lot of companies have been doing similar ive noticed, making the rear full size dests just the destination and number if i had to guess for styling because it does look slightly "cleaner".
Noticed the 110s have done the exact same and updated their displays similarly, although the rear displays before were a bit of a mess so it was kind of needed for those. but atleast they changed the font to the font arriva use as standard.
Quote from: EK40 on January 10, 2024, 10:13:06 PMa lot of companies have been doing similar ive noticed, making the rear full size dests just the destination and number if i had to guess for styling because it does look slightly "cleaner".
Noticed the 110s have done the exact same and updated their displays similarly, although the rear displays before were a bit of a mess so it was kind of needed for those. but atleast they changed the font to the font arriva use as standard.
Now you chaps have pointed it out its obvious now, been driving around Brum looking at buses around me some thing had changed but i couldnt put my finger on it as they say
Just curious, can NSA be updated on a vehicle remotely? As I was just on 6878 and initially the next stop would disappear from the screen between stops but then it was taken off altogether (probs changed to NIS) and then it came back on and the stop names didn't disappear anymore.
6878, just seen in West Brom, assuming it's came from West Bromwich garage for MOT
I was on 6864 earlier this afternoon and the next stop announcement onboard display was blank while the vehicle was moving. When it came to a bus stop it came on briefly and then it turned off again similar to what @Materplan said above.
I noticed a few weeks ago 7522 was doing the same thing. So it might be a fault on some of the BC vehicles maybe
@Tony?
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2024, 05:23:13 PMI was on 6864 earlier this afternoon and the next stop announcement onboard display was blank while the vehicle was moving. When it came to a bus stop it came on briefly and then it turned off again similar to what @Materplan said above.
I noticed a few weeks ago 7522 was doing the same thing. So it might be a fault on some of the BC vehicles maybe @Tony?
All the ones I've caught lately on the X2 to and from work have been doing that.
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2024, 05:23:13 PMI was on 6864 earlier this afternoon and the next stop announcement onboard display was blank while the vehicle was moving. When it came to a bus stop it came on briefly and then it turned off again similar to what @Materplan said above.
I noticed a few weeks ago 7522 was doing the same thing. So it might be a fault on some of the BC vehicles maybe @Tony?
Quote from: Jack on February 12, 2024, 05:24:39 PMAll the ones I've caught lately on the X2 to and from work have been doing that.
It's not just BC's vehicles, I know YWs do as well, certainly when on the 2 and 3 which were recently updated.
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2024, 05:23:13 PMI was on 6864 earlier this afternoon and the next stop announcement onboard display was blank while the vehicle was moving. When it came to a bus stop it came on briefly and then it turned off again similar to what @Materplan said above.
I noticed a few weeks ago 7522 was doing the same thing. So it might be a fault on some of the BC vehicles maybe @Tony?
No, what I said above was it was disappearing inbetween stops then all of a sudden it went to the generic NXWM screen before coming back on again only this time the NSA stayed on, which is why I asked if they could be fixed remotely.
do 4938 and 4939 carry the same black livery as when they were on 902 904 and 905?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on February 17, 2024, 08:51:15 PMdo 4938 and 4939 carry the same black livery as when they were on 902 904 and 905?
The black travel card branding is original to when they was new in 2013 yes.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2024, 10:25:02 PMThe black travel card branding is original to when they was new in 2013 yes.
I'm pretty sure 4929 had it when it was at West Bromwich, then went to Wolverhampton where I think it got repainted then went to Birmingham central I'm sure.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 17, 2024, 11:10:17 PMI'm pretty sure 4929 had it when it was at West Bromwich, then went to Wolverhampton where I think it got repainted then went to Birmingham central I'm sure.
4928-4937 all had it, they all got debranded when they was branded for the 5.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2024, 11:46:19 PM4928-4937 (tel:4928-4937) all had it, they all got debranded when they was branded for the 5.
Yes I know but one of them lasted the longest because it was never branded for the 5. I thought it was 4929 but it wasent. I think its name was carol ann
It was 4927
What route did the 96 take? (the 96 that was branded akin to the 97)
And why was the the 97 branded buses painted all over red when no other bus was?
The 96 used to leave Birmingham via Deritend, Bordesley Station, Coventry Road, Cattell Road (past the Blues ground) up to Bordesley Green then as 97 route to Chelmsley Wood, then as current 72 route to Bluebell Drive.
Quote from: JosephR on February 20, 2024, 08:39:02 PMWhat route did the 96 take? (the 96 that was branded akin to the 97)
And why was the the 97 branded buses painted all over red when no other bus was?
If you mean Trident 4177, that was an experimental trial livery that was never adopted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6935806161/
(Picture courtesy of John who is a member on here).
I believe 4177 was also fitted with a different Engine to the Other Tridents
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 21, 2024, 12:04:14 PMI believe 4177 was also fitted with a different Engine to the Other Tridents
4177 was one of a few 41** Tridents to have the Euro 4 engine as well as 4586/4619/4633/4
Quote from: Jack on February 21, 2024, 12:08:18 PM4177 was one of a few 41** Tridents to have the Euro 4 engine as well as 4586/4619/4633/4
I knew it had something different to other Tridents in terms of Engine wasn't sure what. But yeah When 4633 and 34 were at WN and 4619 I did notice they sounded different
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 21, 2024, 12:22:12 PMI knew it had something different to other Tridents in terms of Engine wasn't sure what. But yeah When 4633 and 34 were at WN and 4619 I did notice they sounded different
i think if i remember correctly they had the cummins B series engine fitted like those fitted to the 4700s to 4800s 09 plate, some one will know for sure
Quote from: 2900 on February 24, 2024, 09:13:21 AMi think if i remember correctly they had the cummins B series engine fitted like those fitted to the 4700s to 4800s 09 plate, some one will know for sure
Yes they had the same engine as 4719-76/4799-4829 fitted on refurb
Just seen 5516 in West Bromwich.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 28, 2024, 10:46:14 AMJust seen 5516 in West Bromwich.
Presumably there for MOT
7523, seen in West Bromwich earlier.
Quote7523, seen in West Bromwich earlier.
So why did you post it in the BC thread then
Quote from: BBS on March 06, 2024, 10:51:01 PMSo why did you post it in the BC thread then
It's a BC bus, having its MOT at WB.
4908 is out on the Coventry Road services. The KFC advert has been removed so the front & sides are back to red & white, but the back is now grey.
The front & sides will go grey tomorrow.
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2024, 03:15:53 PM4908 is out on the Coventry Road services. The KFC advert has been removed so the front & sides are back to red & white, but the back is now grey.
The front & sides will go grey tomorrow.
Vinyl or repaint?
Quote from: Jack6101 on March 12, 2024, 08:26:48 PMvinyl
I really don't see the point in vehicles being repainted anyway. This seems like a better way forward. Vinyls can simply be removed and replaced when a new design comes out.
I wonder if advert frames frames will be left off?
Quote from: JosephR on March 12, 2024, 09:06:09 PMI really don't see the point in vehicles being repainted anyway. This seems like a better way forward. Vinyls can simply be removed and replaced when a new design comes out.
I wonder if advert frames frames will be left off?
Definitely not the way forward, have a look at any advert wrap and you will see it peeling or bits missing after a few months. Quality painting will last for 7-8 years. Both cost around the same
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2024, 09:12:28 PMDefinitely not the way forward, have a look at any advert wrap and you will see it peeling or bits missing after a few months. Quality painting will last for 7-8 years. Both cost around the same
4946 still carriers the red advert, although with reference to KFC removed from it.
Will these be next in for repaint? If so I look forward to seeing 4946 in the new livery.
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2024, 09:12:28 PMDefinitely not the way forward, have a look at any advert wrap and you will see it peeling or bits missing after a few months. Quality painting will last for 7-8 years. Both cost around the same
By that logic, wouldn't the sensible decision be to just repaint the bus instead of frequently applying a new vinyl to it every few months especially for buses like 4801 which I imagine that the only reason it gets vinyls is because most of the paint has been stripped off it. It would save money given that they cost around the same and repaints last way longer
I seen 1837 was parked in Birmingham central
Quote from: frostjay974 on March 13, 2024, 08:14:49 PMBy that logic, wouldn't the sensible decision be to just repaint the bus instead of frequently applying a new vinyl to it every few months especially for buses such as 4801 which I imagine that the only reason it gets vinyls applied to it is because most of the paint has been stripped away from it. It would save money given that they cost around the same and repaints last way longer
Advertisers pay good money for all-over wraps.
If they can be applied to vehicles due for a repaint, then that covers the subsequent cost of the respray.
QuoteI really don't see the point in vehicles being repainted anyway. This seems like a better way forward. Vinyls can simply be removed and replaced when a new design comes out.
I wonder if advert frames frames will be left off?
Vinyls are awful. Look at West Midlands Railway class 172s, vinyl is coming off and have faded terribly compared to the 196s which are painted and look ten times better
Quote from: frostjay974 on March 13, 2024, 08:14:49 PMBy that logic, wouldn't the sensible decision be to just repaint the bus instead of frequently applying a new vinyl to it every few months especially for buses like 4801 which I imagine that the only reason it gets vinyls is because most of the paint has been stripped off it. It would save money given that they cost around the same and repaints last way longer
An all over wrap is quicker to apply than a full respray.
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2024, 08:25:56 PMAdvertisers pay good money for all-over wraps.
If they can be applied to vehicles due for a repaint, then that covers the subsequent cost of the respray.
In addition to that, the advertising company are liable to make good any damage they cause. Normally a badly damaged bus would go to Walsall for repaint and they would cover the cost. E035 is currently at Walsall after the advert was removed, but with 4908 & 4946 due refurb anyway, but without the capacity to do them yet this was the best short term solution for both sides
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2024, 08:45:27 PMIn addition to that, the advertising company are liable to make good any damage they cause. Normally a badly damaged bus would go to Walsall for repaint and they would cover the cost. E035 is currently at Walsall after the advert was removed, but with 4908 & 4946 due refurb anyway, but without the capacity to do them yet this was the best short term solution for both sides
Does that mean E035 holds the record for the shortest time a NX bus has been repainted from brand new without being arson attacked or anything
Quote from: frostjay974 on March 13, 2024, 08:59:40 PMDoes that mean E035 holds the record for the shortest time a NX bus has been repainted from brand new without being arson attacked or anything
No, because it is only the damaged panels
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2024, 09:00:20 PMNo, because it is only the damaged panels
Fair enough, thought it was getting a full repaint
Full repaints will last longer, though vinyl wrapping offers greater flexibility for ad campaigns. Downside to viynl wrapping is that an damaged sustained to the wrap can be costly to replace as they're printed in large sheets.
I remember a number of BC buses in the past who would be regularly repainted and sign written for ad campaigns, both at great cost and with great strain placed on paint shop resources to turn around.
I seen 4946 earlier outside new street station and has grey back and grey sides but only top and bottom on the sides.
What has happened with 6875? just seen a picture that had been taken recently of it parked up at BC garage in immaculate condition and it hasn't tracked on bustimes for nearly 2 years now does anyone know why it has been out of service for so long?
Quote from: frostjay974 on March 22, 2024, 05:03:12 PMWhat has happened with 6875? just seen a picture that had been taken recently of it parked up at BC garage in immaculate condition and it hasn't tracked on bustimes for nearly 2 years now does anyone know why it has been out of service for so long?
Tony posted this update several months ago:
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2023, 02:53:08 PMLongest VoR at the moment is BC 6875 which has been off over a year, but on Bustimes just looks like a couple of months. The RTC damage has been repaired, but no-one, including a Voith engineer cannot work out why it won't select gears at the moment!
Does it still have its Harborne branding following RTC repairs?
Quote from: Mike K on March 22, 2024, 05:57:06 PMTony posted this update several months ago:Does it still have its Harborne branding following RTC repairs?
It does. The gearbox problem has been sorted, now just waiting for some parts that ADL are very slow in supplying
Whats happened to 4625
@Tony? Off the road since October? At over 19 years old, will we see this one in service again?
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2024, 07:16:13 PMWhats happened to 4625 @Tony? Off the road since October? At over 19 years old, will we see this one in service again?
It needed King Pins replaced, which was done a couple of weeks ago, but is out of MoT, BC hope to get it ready for presentation in a couple of weeks time
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 08:40:34 PMVinyls are awful. Look at West Midlands Railway class 172s, vinyl is coming off and have faded terribly compared to the 196s which are painted and look ten times better
That is true. I don't know why they did vinyl when they're staying with WMR for the forseeable. At least the temporary livery applied to the 323s and 350/2s make sense
Quote from: mranon on March 19, 2024, 12:14:42 PM10A terminates at the bus stop outside the shops, then turns around in the mouth of the road by the pigot arms. It can be done in one if no one parks against the church wall, done it many a time in coaches and the nx b7rles. If they park there, usually need to do a reverse to complete the turn, then Pickup is the bus stop facing out.
Do deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2024, 11:11:19 PMDo deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?
The shouldn't do, they've been doing it for years
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2024, 11:11:19 PMDo deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?
Why would deckers struggle?
Everyone seems to forget they are shorter than a full-length single deck, double decks are as manoeuvrable as a midi-bus.
Quote from: Stu on March 23, 2024, 10:02:32 AMWhy would deckers struggle?
Everyone seems to forget they are shorter than a full-length single deck, double decks are as manoeuvrable as a midi-bus.
So I'm guessing that's a no? I was just wondering from the perspective that it's a bus and not a car therefore you may not be able to make the turn in one go
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 23, 2024, 11:24:50 AMSo I'm guessing that's a no? I was just wondering from the perspective that it's a bus and not a car therefore you may not be able to make the turn in one go
It's easily done, I've watched them do it.
If you look on Google Maps you can see the marks on the road surface where vehicles are regularly turning round there. :wink:
Screenshot 2024-03-23 at 11-43-11 Google Maps.png
As already been pointed out, the 60 has been terminating and turning around there for many years, if there was any issue then the route would have had to have been changed.
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2024, 11:08:21 PMThat is true. I don't know why they did vinyl when they're staying with WMR for the forseeable. At least the temporary livery applied to the 323s and 350/2s make sense
I would guess that the 172s were vinyled because at the time they wasn't that old as they didn't require a full repaint. Same happened with the 323s back when the switch between Regional Railways and Central Trains, the units didn't receive a repaint till London Midland took over the franchise.
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2024, 11:11:19 PMDo deckers on the 60 struggle with turning around at the Cranes Park terminus, or is the crossroad wide enough?
Its a similar situation to the hamstead terminus on the 16 and deckers manage that
Very small change that doesn't seem to have been advertised on the website:
Outbound 23 now stops at Kempsey House. Good for connecting with the X22.
Looks like it's been timed with the city centre changes and I can only assume stop announcements would have been updated to reflect this fact (haven't had a chance to go on one yet).
Quote from: mesub on April 08, 2024, 03:08:20 PMVery small change that doesn't seem to have been advertised on the website:
Outbound 23 now stops at Kempsey House. Good for connecting with the X22.
Looks like it's been timed with the city centre changes and I can only assume stop announcements would have been updated to reflect this fact (haven't had a chance to go on one yet).
I hadn't realised until today that the 23/24 have reverted to their old Square Peg city centre terminus / timing point, instead of New St Station.
There seem to be big gaps in service on both the 23 and 24 today. This may be due in part to some buses not tracking but there have definitely been a number of journeys missing. A work colleague who uses the 24 from said 2 journeys failed to show from the Quinton Road West terminus. I gave up on the 23 as Bustimes showed a 29 minute gap and in the end caught 6844 on the 24 which was absolutely rammed. This was another short working to the Square Peg, and was taken out of service, despite the fact it should have run the outbound journey from town at 08.33. No idea what the issue is today.
Quote from: Mike K on April 10, 2024, 09:40:14 AMThere seem to be big gaps in service on both the 23 and 24 today. This may be due in part to some buses not tracking but there have definitely been a number of journeys missing. A work colleague who uses the 24 from said 2 journeys failed to show from the Quinton Road West terminus. I gave up on the 23 as Bustimes showed a 29 minute gap and in the end caught 6844 on the 24 which was absolutely rammed. This was another short working to the Square Peg, and was taken out of service, despite the fact it should have run the outbound journey from town at 08.33. No idea what the issue is today.
There was a crash on the A38 near to the Uni could have caused chaos around that area
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 10, 2024, 09:58:47 AMThere was a crash on the A38 near to the Uni could have caused chaos around that area
I don't think that was the issue, traffic along the 23/24 routes was fine, the 24 I caught was on time and journeys that did operate before and after the "missing" ones were running roughly to time. There were only around 8 buses tracking on each route on Bustimes, compared to around 11-12 normally.
I'm wondering if there are driver shortages due to Eid.
Quote from: Mike K on April 10, 2024, 12:46:50 PMI don't think that was the issue, traffic along the 23/24 routes was fine, the 24 I caught was on time and journeys that did operate before and after the "missing" ones were running roughly to time. There were only around 8 buses tracking on each route on Bustimes, compared to around 11-12 normally.
I'm wondering if there are driver shortages due to Eid.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/eid-disruption
There was a thing on there Monday saying that "special Eid services were in place" for 14/94/95/97 but that was only for Monday/Tuesday. That link above has appeared since then.
Quote from: ellspurs on April 10, 2024, 01:12:47 PMhttps://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/eid-disruption
There was a thing on there Monday saying that "special Eid services were in place" for 14/94/95/97 but that was only for Monday/Tuesday. That link above has appeared since then.
Thanks - yes, that link shows disruptions to the 23 and 24 throughout the day today so that probably explains it.
Shortages of drivers this week linked to Eid celebrations maybe?
Looks like a 97 has taken a wrong turning in the city centre. There's one currently looking a bit stranded on Dale End. It can't go forwards as it's too tall for the bridge and it can't turn right onto Albert Street as it's closed. Maybe a bit of awkward reversing needed to get it back onto the junction with Lower Bull Street.
4913 will be out this afternoon with a new advert applied offside & rear. The nearside will be changed tomorrow
There appears to be little point of the 16:50 X21 from City being on the timetable. From my experience it's very hit and miss as to whether it actually shows up.
From what I've seen on tracking it only does two trips. 15:43 X22 into City and then the 16:50 X21 outbound. But as I say its quite regularly missing.