Birmingham Central Garage

[Liverpool Street]

Whats the PVR of the 45/47?

I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47

1hr 48 round trip.

108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.

But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)

Incidently;

1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:

110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses

Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.

I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.

LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs

Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.

And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.

[winston]

Whats the PVR of the 45/47?

I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47

1hr 48 round trip.

108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.

But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)

Incidently;

1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:

110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses

Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.

I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.

LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs

Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.

And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.

Yes Uniquicity is spot on with working out Pvrs

[Tony]

Whats the PVR of the 45/47?

I've got it at anything between 12-20, both routes every 12 minutes, round trip over an hour. I don't think 16 Enviros would be enough for the 45/47, not getting carried away with this rumour but, maybe if when PB get their new Enviros, they can get 5 spares so that 4852-4856 could go to WA to allow 4733-4737 to go to BC. I'm fairly sure 4698, 4718-4737 would be enough for the 45/47

1hr 48 round trip.

108mins / 6min freq. = 18 buses.

But the highest running board number is 45/79. (Indicating over the course of one day there would've been 29 buses in total on the Pershore Road. That includes schools and peak boards, doesn't include 61/98.)

Incidently;

1hr 50 round trip on Bristol Road:

110mins / 5min freq. = 22 buses

Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.

I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.

LS, leave me out of this one.......I'm no good at working out Pvrs

Oh, sorry Winston, I'm thinking of Uniquicity? I know one of you knows it lol.

And Stu, it's not openly available unfortunately.

Yes Uniquicity is spot on with working out Pvrs

Not always! The formula used works out the normal daytime requirement. PVR stands for Peak Vehicle Requirement It does not take into account extra recovery time a lot of routes have during the peak.

As Liverpool Street has pointed out Bristol Road has 31 running boards, but only a normal requirement for 22 buses

[Ashley 4566]

Thank you for the responses

[B.C Driver]

Highest board is 63/31 so an additional 11 buses on school and short workings etc.

I think that's correct? Maybe get Winston to have a jab.
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There was a 63-34 board earlier in the year....... and in the old days I'm sure it reached 62-38

When we had the old wooden clip boards with the running board number on the back I remember seeing 45-81

[monkeyjoe]

Some items.

Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.

Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.

Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.

Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.

Therefore;

Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957

This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.

The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.

In addition;

The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.

The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.

Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!

I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?

[gc802002]

Some items.

Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.

Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.

Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.

Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.

Therefore;

Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957

This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.

The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.

In addition;

The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.

The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.

Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!

I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?

I would suggest it interworks with the Castle Bromwich 72 shorts? Fits Perfectly?

[monkeyjoe]

If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???

[JB93]

Won't it just interwork with the 56 like the 90 does already, if it's being operated by BC?

[monkeyjoe]

I was on about the daytime services.

[Sh4318]

If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???

Could the 70 & 72E interwork? With the 70 being double deck, and the 72E having a low bridge?

[Tony]

If that is the case would suggest that BC will share runnning the 72 with AG. BC running the shorts and AG the journeys???

Could the 70 & 72E interwork? With the 70 being double deck, and the 72E having a low bridge?

Where is the low bridge on the 72 (whole route not just the 72E)?

[Liverpool Street]

Some items.

Just the 90 change to 70. Minor rota changes.

Cranes Park Rota - Split.
> 900/E / 957 work put back onto the Coventry
> 58 work removed.

Solihull Rota - New.
> Majority 58 work.
> Including major 957 work.

Coventry Rota - 9xx
> Exclusively 900/E work.
> Includes minor 957 work.

Therefore;

Cranes Park - 59, 60
Solihull - 58, 957
Coventry - 900, 900E, 957

This is to remove the Cranes Park work off the 900, thus improving drivers morale.

The reason for the Solihull rota is not known, but looks like a good rota actually. Wouldn't mind to be on that!! How long it'll last is not known.

In addition;

The 'new' E400's for the Pershore Road is, actually (apparently), extensively refurbished and branded blue cascades from PB, or other garages.

The above isn't from the horses mouth so please expect inaccuracies. I can only do so much for legitimacy of rumours.

Take everything with a wee pinch of salt. As with everything, expect changes!

I'm just wondering looking at the new 70 timetable is the service going to have a long layover in Birmingham or will it change into another service when leaving town?

Relief at the Mackadown.

Just the 70 by itself with short workings and big layovers, as its over 4hr round trip. But then its not as sometimes it might be Mackadown to Solihull and back to Mackadown to relief .. so half a trip effectively.

I'll try and find out and get back to you.

And I'll reiterate;

The 70 is by itself - its only the timetable that inter works.

Remember short journeys.

Sundays are Garage to Garage ; one trip.

[Stu]

The 71 route has the low bridge, and as it interworks with the 72, that is the only reason the 72 doesn't have double-decks now. The 72 was usually double-deck operated previously, before the routes were changed and they started interworking.

[monkeyjoe]

From memory when it was the old 590 / 59(90). The service used to have 30 mins layovers near the Jennens Road Aston uni roundabout.