I think 597 has now gone to Walsall from Pensnett seen on the 38 today
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Yes it has, and 4374(the last 43xx at Walsall will be moving to YW today or tomorrow
4374 was on the 40 yesterday (20 March) so will no doubt have moved today/tmoz
I was suprised to see 1557 now operating in coventry from pensnett
I guess PE are offloading some of their mercs now the B7RLEs are beginning to enter service
Quote from: Ash on March 21, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
I was suprised to see 1557 now operating in coventry from pensnett
Is it me, or are WN getting some dennis tridents from WA. I don't see what WA would need them for with the 529 at WN and the 51 fully enviro 400 allocated now. I've been a few 43** on the 126 recently
WN have gained 4135, 4305-09 and 4327 from WA and 4312 from BC. Most of these took place at the turn of nthe year. They also regained 4310 which moved to WA in exchange for 4135 late last year.
It means that the 43's at WN are now 4305-12, 20, 21, 23 and 27 - a lot less than the 21 originally delivered to WN (4310-30).
Quote from: Roy on March 22, 2012, 09:18:14 AM
WN have gained 4135, 4305-09 and 4327 from WA and 4312 from BC. Most of these took place at the turn of nthe year. They also regained 4310 which moved to WA in exchange for 4135 late last year.
It means that the 43's at WN are now 4305-12, 20, 21, 23 and 27 - a lot less than the 21 originally delivered to WN (4310-30).
4384 and 4385 say hi.
4509 seen on the 75 today another gemini in from Perry Barr
How many more geminis are WB receiving from PB/AG? And which ones (fleet number)
Quote from: Ash on April 04, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
4509 seen on the 75 today another gemini in from Perry Barr
I dont think any more gemini's have transferred to West Brom although ive noticed the gemini's are creeping on to non birmingham routes there has been one on the 405/6 2 days in a row (fri/sat) as well as being very regular on the 451
Quote from: Ash on April 22, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
I dont think any more gemini's have transferred to West Brom although ive noticed the gemini's are creeping on to non birmingham routes there has been one on the 405/6 2 days in a row (fri/sat) as well as being very regular on the 451
Nope, no more have gone. 4517-4522 are all present at AG along with 4529 & 4530 I think.
3237 transfered to dundee 19th april
Quote from: Ash on April 22, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
I dont think any more gemini's have transferred to West Brom although ive noticed the gemini's are creeping on to non birmingham routes there has been one on the 405/6 2 days in a row (fri/sat) as well as being very regular on the 451
If the Geminis are apperaing commonly on the 451 then were are the Un-Branded Plaxtons going, unless the frequency has been increased ;) :D
7027 on the 28 this morning. Apologies if this is the wrong place... although certainly news-worthy, i didn't think it was worth its own thread :)
The 451 uses the branded presidents for the service but rarely sees the toothpaste presidents that are not branded for example 4053, it also sees the nxwm livery presidents as well as a few gemini's and mercs
Quote from: MK on April 23, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
7027 on the 28 this morning. Apologies if this is the wrong place... although certainly news-worthy, i didn't think it was worth its own thread :)
All of 7021 to 7027 should have been out on the 28
I know 7021, 7022, & 7027 were
I saw most, if not all of the buses on the 28, the ex Dundee OmniLink's on there were 7021, 7022, 7023, 7026 and 7027, which were the ones that I were looking for. Also on there were 1401, 1405, 1462, 1469, 1473 and 1835 & 1842.
Quote from: Ash on April 23, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
The 451 uses the branded presidents for the service but rarely sees the toothpaste presidents that are not branded for example 4053, it also sees the nxwm livery presidents as well as a few gemini's and mercs
Theres not many 451 branded buses left is there ??, Wouldn't be smart if garages unbranded some buses then they can be placed on other routes ??. I think thats were a little of NXWM problem lies ::)
The 451 branded Presidents are 4044, 4047, 4049, 4054, 4055, 4083, 4087 and 4114.
4028 BC - AG (on 31 today)
4029 WB - AG
4522 AG - WB (on 451 today)
4530 AG - WB (on 451 today)
Leaving 4517-4521 & 4529 at AG which I assume will move eventually with the recent block fleet changes we've been having. The Presidents suit AG better than BC I think personally and do look very smart, but I feel an overkill of Presidents at AG is soon approaching. Any idea if AG will lose any of 4635-4679 which could do with a refurb!
Have any more Mercs been withdrawn yet?
I would have thought that there will be some Mercs withdrawn in quantity shortly when all of BC's Volvo B7RLE are in service. This will result in Omnilinks 1801-1817 being cascaded to BY to replace T & V reg Mercs on route 17 (some may go to PE or WB to replace 15-- series examples). Then there are Omnilinks 1788-1800 which will also be cascaded to an unconfirmed destination
Quote from: Ashley on April 27, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
Have any more Mercs been withdrawn yet?
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2012, 06:40:56 PM
4028 BC - AG (on 31 today)
4029 WB - AG
4522 AG - WB (on 451 today)
4530 AG - WB (on 451 today)
Most 451's were Gemini operated Yesterday ;D
& why are WB getting Gemini's
WB are getting Geminis to replace Presidents.
Quote from: Michael on April 27, 2012, 06:52:14 PM
Leaving 4517-4521 & 4529 at AG which I assume will move eventually with the recent block fleet changes we've been having. The Presidents suit AG better than BC I think personally and do look very smart, but I feel an overkill of Presidents at AG is soon approaching. Any idea if AG will lose any of 4635-4679 which could do with a refurb!
AG need the extra Presidents as eventually they will service the outer circle no. 11
Great, so the longest continuous bus route is going to be worked by V reg buses. Can't the 11 have some investment to make it a proud, flagship route, not run by cast offs.
It would only be a short-term measure; I would imagine that the next big order of double-decks (sometime next year?) would see the Presidents finally get withdrawn.
On the other hand, the Presidents, having been refurbed and repainted, still are mostly in very good condition, I don't have a problem with them being used on the 11.
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
It would only be a short-term measure; I would imagine that the next big order of double-decks (sometime next year?) would see the Presidents finally get withdrawn.
On the other hand, the Presidents, having been refurbed and repainted, still are mostly in very good condition, I don't have a problem with them being used on the 11.
Plaxtons Look alright on the 11A/C to be fair
If the Plaxtons are to get withdrawn, couldnt they be placed at anotther garage E.G. YW
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
It would only be a short-term measure; I would imagine that the next big order of double-decks (sometime next year?) would see the Presidents finally get withdrawn.
On the other hand, the Presidents, having been refurbed and repainted, still are mostly in very good condition, I don't have a problem with them being used on the 11.
But surely not a good image to portray for a flagship route?
Quote from: John-s-91 on April 24, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
The 451 branded Presidents are 4044, 4047, 4049, 4054, 4055, 4083, 4087 and 4114.
Havent some lost the 451 branding & left with the stripes as i saw one on the 74 or are they seperate buses
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2012, 09:33:57 AM
It would only be a short-term measure; I would imagine that the next big order of double-decks (sometime next year?) would see the Presidents finally get withdrawn.
On the other hand, the Presidents, having been refurbed and repainted, still are mostly in very good condition, I don't have a problem with them being used on the 11.
The 11 would make a very nice flagship hybrid operation - imagine the publicity - but the next hybrids are going to Wolverhampton and appear set to replace the Spectras.
You guys thinking about replacement of the Presidents, remember there's over 150 Mercs which are mostly older, not to mention the B10Ls and B6LEs remaining. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that almost all of the current deliveries are being used, through complicated cascades in the case of WB and WL, to replace the B6LEs and B10Ls - and to deal with the Birmingham emission zone - hence WB needing Geminis etc etc.
Large scale replacement of Mercs will surely need another order of buses - and only the earliest of them are coming up to 15 yrs old.
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I too would love to see the 11 upgraded to hybrid operation, however as you'd need to purchase between 40-45 buses to fully convert it, that would be a very expensive order, considering how much more expensive hybrid buses are.
If there are ongoing Govt grants available, and a joint scheme with Birmingham City Council could be developed? It's basically twice the size of the Wolverhampton one coming up.
However I think all things are likely to focus on the City Centre with the emission zone and extension of trams.
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 10:33:37 AM
Quote from: John-s-91 on April 24, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
The 451 branded Presidents are 4044, 4047, 4049, 4054, 4055, 4083, 4087 and 4114.
Havent some lost the 451 branding & left with the stripes as i saw one on the 74 or are they seperate buses
I don't think they all had the 451 branding put on after repainting and refurbing. Some were left unbranded in case they needed to be used on other routes at WB.
Quote from: D10 on April 29, 2012, 10:58:36 AM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 10:33:37 AM
Quote from: John-s-91 on April 24, 2012, 09:22:58 PM
The 451 branded Presidents are 4044, 4047, 4049, 4054, 4055, 4083, 4087 and 4114.
Havent some lost the 451 branding & left with the stripes as i saw one on the 74 or are they seperate buses
I don't think they all had the 451 branding put on after repainting and refurbing. Some were left unbranded in case they needed to be used on other routes at WB.
mainly 74/75
I havent seen any debranded 451 presidents the ones with the stripes that were left unbranded are rarely on the 451 and mostly always seen on the 74/5 or 127/8
It would be interesting to see what WB would get in terms of single deckers to replace the mercs and b6le they have as the mercs are the newest single deckers they have (apart from the alx200 darts), my guess would be some older omnilinks as they have had them before when they used to operate the 404. With the 89 using older mercs and needing to be replaced with the Birmingham emmission ruling coming in I would expect gemini's to be used as the PVR is only 4 and I couldnt a new type of vehicle being introduced to the garage for just 4 buses.
Personally I dont think the Outer Circle will ever get any kind of flagship or hybrid status. Imagine all the publicity and money spent for a route that runs in convoys of 3 or 4 at times. Not a good advert. The 11 has always had older buses. 25 year old Birmingham Standards, continued by open platform ex Municipal stock, then the first generation 2 man fleetlines. Even in recent years, it was still 100% Metrobus.
Thats not to say the outer circle doesnt deserve new stock and a better travelling experience for the public, it just seems there are other routes that will always take priority.
Being rather un eco friendly, couldn't NXWM just buy ordinary double decker buses to supplement 20 or so hybrids.
I think they should do just this-maybe extra long wheelbase volvo b9tl/geminis like Lothian have as these are really smart looking buses and should be solidly built and reliable. These would help capacity problems on some routes.
Quote from: Peter123 on April 29, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
I think they should do just this-maybe extra long wheelbase volvo b9tl/geminis like Lothian have as these are really smart looking buses and should be solidly built and reliable. These would help capacity problems on some routes.
But would they be able to cope with the tight turns on the Outer Circle? A little re-routing could easily fix the problem however.
I didnt initially propose them for the outer circle as this is what i thought but for many routes they would be fine...
Originally, I think there was 13 Presidents for the 451, and 12(?) for the 1. Not all were branded. I also recall 4033 refurbished and in the same New Travel West Midlands livery, but at Birmingham Central. It then moved to Acocks Green, after repaint.
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on April 29, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
I think they should do just this-maybe extra long wheelbase volvo b9tl/geminis like Lothian have as these are really smart looking buses and should be solidly built and reliable. These would help capacity problems on some routes.
But would they be able to cope with the tight turns on the Outer Circle? A little re-routing could easily fix the problem however.
Ominlinks can just about cope with the tuen on the 11 so why carnt other buses
They probably would but I never use the 11 so I wouldnt really know.
Quote from: Peter123 on April 29, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
I didnt initially propose them for the outer circle as this is what i thought but for many routes they would be fine...
Fair play. Hopefully NX is developing some sort of relationship with Wrightbus (what with the 152 Eclipses), so maybe we can expect more orders. It would be nice though for AG to gain some newer vehicles for the 11. As previously mentioned, the 11 hasn't got a history of getting new vehicles, but what about in 2004 when it gained 45 new Geminis (split between AG & PB). NX must have saw sense when they bought the Geminis, although I do believe that Centro supported the funding. Maybe with the BSOG and Centro, NX could get some B5L Gemini2s for the 11.
Were are all WB Plaxtons going
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on April 29, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
I think they should do just this-maybe extra long wheelbase volvo b9tl/geminis like Lothian have as these are really smart looking buses and should be solidly built and reliable. These would help capacity problems on some routes.
But would they be able to cope with the tight turns on the Outer Circle? A little re-routing could easily fix the problem however.
Ominlinks can just about cope with the tuen on the 11 so why carnt other buses
They can, but they do struggle. The Scanias are around 12metres, and the long wheel base Geminis are 11.4m I think, as opposed to the standard 10.6-8m double decker.
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:21:26 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on April 29, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
I think they should do just this-maybe extra long wheelbase volvo b9tl/geminis like Lothian have as these are really smart looking buses and should be solidly built and reliable. These would help capacity problems on some routes.
But would they be able to cope with the tight turns on the Outer Circle? A little re-routing could easily fix the problem however.
Ominlinks can just about cope with the tuen on the 11 so why carnt other buses
They can, but they do struggle. The Scanias are around 12metres, and the long wheel base Geminis are 11.4m I think, as opposed to the standard 10.6-8m double decker.
Ive only ever seen 1 problem with an omilink on the 11A and thats Handsworth, were the drivers decided to park the cars wereever they want which makes it hard for buses, hence why doubles are used on the 11A/C
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:23:38 PM
Ive only ever seen 1 problem with an omilink on the 11A and thats Handsworth, were the drivers decided to park the cars wereever they want which makes it hard for buses, hence why doubles are used on the 11A/C
Do you just make b***s*** up on the spot or what? The 11 is a double deck service because of it's high usage, not because of parking in Handsworth.
Long wheelbase geminis look great to be honest and i think as Michael said we can expect plenty of new buses coming into the fleet soon. Tho i hope there not the volvo hybrids as theyre too small, the wheelbase is too diddy and unusually the wright bodywork looks ugly and the interior is rubbish.
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:23:38 PM
Ive only ever seen 1 problem with an omilink on the 11A and thats Handsworth, were the drivers decided to park the cars wereever they want which makes it hard for buses, hence why doubles are used on the 11A/C
Do you just make b***s*** up on the spot or what? The 11 is a double deck service because of it's high usage, not because of parking in Handsworth.
NO I do not, ovbs thats why Doubles are used, when I post comments I really need to consider you, ITS RARE FOR A SINGLE DECKER TO OPERATE THE 11A >:(
So you're telling me and everybody else in this forum that the reason the 11 is a double deck service is because of the parking in Handsworth. The whole of the Outer Circle 26 mile service is double deck because of Handsworth parking issues.
I do not even wish to question you on the 11S ran by Perry Barr then...
There are no problems getting any buses around the outer Circle, I have driven 6011 around the full circle as part of my bendibus training, and if that fitted anything will.
End arguing now please
Nathan posting a silly statement saying that is why single decks are used, but no personal attacks either way
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 05:41:43 PM
There are no problems getting any buses around the outer Circle, I have driven 6011 around the full circle as part of my bendibus training, and if that fitted anything will.
Oh right, I didn't know that. In that case, I think some long wheelbase deckers would be a good idea
I wouldnt think all of the presidents will leave WB as theres too many to replace im sure some will be kept for the 451 and other routes that work around the West Brom area to replace some of the mercs in service on routes like the 448/9
Quote from: Gareth on April 29, 2012, 01:12:14 PM
Personally I dont think the Outer Circle will ever get any kind of flagship or hybrid status. Imagine all the publicity and money spent for a route that runs in convoys of 3 or 4 at times. Not a good advert. The 11 has always had older buses. 25 year old Birmingham Standards, continued by open platform ex Municipal stock, then the first generation 2 man fleetlines. Even in recent years, it was still 100% Metrobus.
Thats not to say the outer circle doesnt deserve new stock and a better travelling experience for the public, it just seems there are other routes that will always take priority.
I don't think you remember 2004 very well, when the Geminis were introduced to AG and PB (who shared the route back then) for the 11A/C, the buses were branded, and all the stops and shelters were upgraded with CCTV and real-time displays as the service became a 'showcase' route.
The 11 is one of NXWM's flagship services, and known throughout Europe, if not the world. Its featured on news programmes, has its own tribute website, and various events take place around its route. Even on the last day of Metrobus operation at AG, one did two full loops of the route.
Maybe next year, or the year after, then the 11 will get upgraded again with new buses.
94 also used to be a flagship, now that is going to pot too.
14 & 94 have never been 'flagship' routes, and the realtime still works on the 11, all the presidents are fitted to trigger it as well as the Geminis, and whenever I have been doing revenue checks it seems to be working
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
the realtime still works on the 11, all the presidents are fitted to trigger it as well as the Geminis
So they could be used as peak period extras on the 11 then (presuming there are such things these days?) I would have thought filling the route 100% with Presidents would not give a good signal - the Geminis are very 'noticeable' vehicles to the public.
Quote from: don on April 29, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
the realtime still works on the 11, all the presidents are fitted to trigger it as well as the Geminis
So they could be used as peak period extras on the 11 then (presuming there are such things these days?) I would have thought filling the route 100% with Presidents would not give a good signal - the Geminis are very 'noticeable' vehicles to the public.
I might be able to help here.
If you take a look at the following photograph:
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4070.html
You can see next to where it says '31A', there is a satellite symbol thing. Vehicles with that symbol are fitted with the real time software, however as Tony said, all Presidents are fitted with it, so the ones without the symbol just leads me to believe that it was simply NX not putting the stickers on the earlier refurbs, or the later refurbs.
Interesting and I'm sure you're probably right.
I'm not sure what system is used on the 11, but generally the on vehicle equipment is simply a box attached to the roof of the vehicle - very easy to swap from one bus to another - in this area Arriva often move odd buses in from elsewhere in the country and others out, and they have to have the bus priority traffic signal trigger/real time GPS system boxes swapped/installed. Looked at from a high vantage point, it can be seen that some vehicles have two or three of them - presumably it's cheaper just to add the relevant box rather than swap them.
Quote from: Ash on April 29, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
I wouldnt think all of the presidents will leave WB as theres too many to replace im sure some will be kept for the 451 and other routes that work around the West Brom area to replace some of the mercs in service on routes like the 448/9
It would be nice to see 448/A/B/449 to be DD operated
This transfer does not suprise me it was the only one missing from 4264-4275
I think I saw 4076 on the 11 today as well, should hopefully get a list of all April's changes this week
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2012, 07:03:26 PM
I think I saw 4076 on the 11 today as well, should hopefully get a list of all April's changes this week
No doubt it'll have a million Presidents to AG
The Presidents do seem to be everywhere at AG at the minute, I only ever see the Geminis on the 5 and 11, and there seems to be more Presidents on the 37 than Omnilinks! Though I did spot a B10L on the 5 this morning!
Quote from: NathanJC on April 30, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Ash on April 29, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
I wouldnt think all of the presidents will leave WB as theres too many to replace im sure some will be kept for the 451 and other routes that work around the West Brom area to replace some of the mercs in service on routes like the 448/9
It would be nice to see 448/A/B/449 to be DD operated
Not sure if there is a reason why DD' don't seem to operate the 448 now especially since the extension from the Hospital to Bartley Green. Certainly DD's can still operate on the the 447 including this Saturday just gone, so the route is still OK to Bearwood.
I can remember when I lived back in the Langley / Londonderry area, all you'd ever see on the 448 and 449 were double-deck Metrobuses, which did get very full at times.
Maybe i use the in correct phrase, however 94 did used to recieve newish types vechicles with branding and I suppose more attention and focus than others etc. Non of the above are currently applicable, that is the point I was trying to make.
B6s 638 & 640 from Walsall are now at BC - both on the 636 on Saturday.
President 4077 also appears to be transferred to AG
Quote from: Stu on April 30, 2012, 08:03:33 PM
The Presidents do seem to be everywhere at AG at the minute, I only ever see the Geminis on the 5 and 11, and there seems to be more Presidents on the 37 than Omnilinks! Though I did spot a B10L on the 5 this morning!
Ah, it must have been 1430, as 7128 was on the 31 all day.
Yes there certainly does! I got 4050 from Solihull to Acocks Green this evening, with four Presidents passing the other way and 2 Scanias. Might as well make the most of the Presidents on the full 37 to Birmingham, as after the Summer they'll only be on the 37E's I imagine.
Also, it's starting to get frustrating having Outer Circle Geminis randomly placed on any route. There was one on the 31 today, and it seems that it has been on the 31 for the last few days.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN1O5FfKDb4&list=UUe-_qzGEU4g48p-mRfO24SQ&index=1&feature=plcp for video evidence, the bus in front! Annoyingly the sound cut off!!
Quote from: thetruth on April 30, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
4269 now at WB, on the 74 today
I Had a feeling 4269 will move to WB :)
Quote from: thetruth on April 30, 2012, 06:55:18 PM
Also 595 has returned from its loan at BC, on the 428/9
524 has aswell seen it in West Bromwich Bus Station the other day couldn't get what route it was on ;)
Yeah, then after the metrobuses were used, the 448 used ALX400s. Ever since the 444 was changed to serve Smethwick Blue Gates; the 448 was revised to follow the 447 route from Bearwood to West Bromwich and the 448A introduced, it's been operated by mercs
Quote from: Stu on April 30, 2012, 08:10:56 PM
I can remember when I lived back in the Langley / Londonderry area, all you'd ever see on the 448 and 449 were double-deck Metrobuses, which did get very full at times.
How many more ALX400s are going to transfer from PB to WB
Quote from: Rob H on April 30, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: thetruth on April 30, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
4269 now at WB, on the 74 today
I Had a feeling 4269 will move to WB :)
Quote from: 4504 on April 30, 2012, 10:49:03 PM
How many more ALX400s are going to transfer from PB to WB
Quote from: Rob H on April 30, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: thetruth on April 30, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
4269 now at WB, on the 74 today
I Had a feeling 4269 will move to WB :)
Probably depends on how many Presidents are at WB. I have no idea on how many Presidents WB have left, but if it's quite a lot, I'd say the last few Geminis from AG will replace them all, and if that's not enough, it'll probably be a handful of ALX400s from PB.
WB currently have around 28 Presidents left, that will reduce obviously reduce if any others have since moved on following 4029 being transferred to AG. Is it around 12 Presidents that are required for the 451? That may still leave double figures that will need replacing with newer Min Euro 2 double deckers
Quote from: Michael on April 30, 2012, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: 4504 on April 30, 2012, 10:49:03 PM
How many more ALX400s are going to transfer from PB to WB
Quote from: Rob H on April 30, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: thetruth on April 30, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
4269 now at WB, on the 74 today
I Had a feeling 4269 will move to WB :)
Probably depends on how many Presidents are at WB. I have no idea on how many Presidents WB have left, but if it's quite a lot, I'd say the last few Geminis from AG will replace them all, and if that's not enough, it'll probably be a handful of ALX400s from PB.
Quote from: RobQuinton on April 30, 2012, 08:39:24 PM
B6s 638 & 640 from Walsall are now at BC - both on the 636 on Saturday.
President 4077 also appears to be transferred to AG
669 has moved to BC aswell seen on the 636 heading for Birmingham while I was travelling in the opposite direction on 665 to Halesowen and 640 was out on the 24 today :)
Im not suprised 524,595 have returned to WB and not just been withdrawn as recently the alx200 darts started sneaking on the 405/6 regulary and these services need a minimum of a b6le. There cant be that many b6le's remaining at West Brom and 624 sounds and looks horrific
There's still the clue of what's happening to the omnilinks, I heard someone say that some are going to BY, but what about the rest
Quote from: 4504 on May 01, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
There's still the clue of what's happening to the omnilinks, I heard someone say that some are going to BY, but what about the rest
1801-1817 are going to BY for the 17, and maybe some will go to Yardley Wood, to withdraw the rest of their B10L's on the 27, they still have 11, and maybe Perry Barr could do with some, because they still have around 20, and there will be 13 ex Dundee OmniLink's there when 7028-7033 enter service, there will still be some B10L's in service at Perry Barr.
Quote from: John-s-91 on May 01, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: 4504 on May 01, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
There's still the clue of what's happening to the omnilinks, I heard someone say that some are going to BY, but what about the rest
1801-1817 are going to BY for the 17, and maybe some will go to Yardley Wood, to withdraw the rest of their B10L's on the 27, they still have 11, and maybe Perry Barr could do with some, because they still have around 20, and there will be 13 ex Dundee OmniLink's there when 7028-7033 enter service, there will still be some B10L's in service at Perry Barr.
Does anybody know if any have moved yet? cos there is a few I haven't seen for a while :)
Quote from: John-s-91 on May 01, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: 4504 on May 01, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
There's still the clue of what's happening to the omnilinks, I heard someone say that some are going to BY, but what about the rest
1801-1817 are going to BY for the 17, and maybe some will go to Yardley Wood, to withdraw the rest of their B10L's on the 27, they still have 11, and maybe Perry Barr could do with some, because they still have around 20, and there will be 13 ex Dundee OmniLink's there when 7028-7033 enter service, there will still be some B10L's in service at Perry Barr.
Would love to see some at pensnett but doubt it will happen, well not while the mercs are still going.
I think they will go to either WB or YW, realistically I think WB to replace Mercs on the 89, I suppose an alternative would be to allocate the 89 to doubles so the scanias can move to YW, but saying that, YW will also replace scanias to replace the 27, interesting discussion, I suppose we'll find out when all the B7RLEs are in service
Quote from: 4504 on May 02, 2012, 01:06:44 AM
I think they will go to either WB or YW, realistically I think WB to replace Mercs on the 89, I suppose an alternative would be to allocate the 89 to doubles so the scanias can move to YW, but saying that, YW will also replace scanias to replace the 27, interesting discussion, I suppose we'll find out when all the B7RLEs are in service
Your probably right with YW can't see them introducing a small number to west brom
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Does anybody know if any have moved yet? cos there is a few I haven't seen for a while :)
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I don't think any have moved yet because there are still quite a few knocking around on the X62, 1801 and 1916 being a couple. Remember that YW use to run the 57 reg omnilinks before they went to BC so I think that could well make YW the facourite to get 1788-1800. WB also use to have omnilnks as well though, the only other option is they stay at BC to replace the B6's on the 636 until the new midis aririve in October.
Back to that point about 624. Most unrefurbished WB Mercs and B6LEs are in a pretty bad state. The Mercs solider on but most of the bad condition B6LEs have gone now, for example 593
Quote from: thetruth on May 02, 2012, 04:16:34 PM
4521 parked up on West Brom Bus Station. Wonder why.
Probably another transfer from AG.
4521 was on the 75 yesterday
Does it have a screen inside?
Quote from: thetruth on May 02, 2012, 04:01:12 PM
1694 is now at WB ex Bordesley. Full blinds showing
Only saw back of bus! But I'm thinking it has a screen
In! Not to sure but I think every bus from a 53 plate has them
Quote from: Paul on May 02, 2012, 07:54:16 PM
Only saw back of bus! But I'm thinking it has a screen
In! Not to sure but I think every bus from a 53 plate has them
He's asking if 1694 has a screen. All of 4506 onwards have screens in them.
Just having a look at the fleet list, I reckon 4509 will be moving to West Bromwich soon, seeing as 4503-4508, and 4510-45346 are there (or will be there soon enough, not sure about 4515/16 though))
Quote from: thetruth on May 02, 2012, 08:23:24 PM
4509 moved at the start of April.
No idea about 1694.
Did it? I don't really follow up on depots moves, except my locals (AG/BC/YW) so I use Tony's list.
see photo on main list
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4509.html
Quote from: Tony on May 02, 2012, 08:54:51 PM
see photo on main list
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4509.html
Yeah, I've seen it now. I use the actual fleet list (the page before) rather than clicking on every picture to check if it's at West Bromwich or not :)
It wasn't meant as a 'knock' just for information. There is also a link to it on the home page, but I didn't use a thumbnail with the link, so you probably missed it
Tony it still only says 'new to Perry Barr' in the history, that may be what he's seen.
Quote from: andy on May 02, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Tony it still only says 'new to Perry Barr' in the history, that may be what he's seen.
yes, that won't change until I get the April changes, hopefuuly sometime this week
Quote from: andy on May 02, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Tony it still only says 'new to Perry Barr' in the history, that may be what he's seen.
I hadn't seen the photograph at all before Tony posted it. I was looking at the actual fleet list containing 4475-4699.
Another is 639 to BC (which ventured onto the Pershore Road today so could get into the unusual workings section as well)
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http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0718/639.html
Quote from: Tony on May 02, 2012, 09:26:39 PM
It wasn't meant as a 'knock' just for information. There is also a link to it on the home page, but I didn't use a thumbnail with the link, so you probably missed it
Don't worry about it, I didn't think it was, hence the emoticon :) lol
1651 is now at WB saw on the 89 today with blank blinds
Some of the later Mercs used at BY do have screens inside them over the front nearside wheelarch
1803 viewed on the 55 this morning.
...and 1802 on the 55 tonight :D
I should have the full list of April changes tomorrow
Fleet changes just arrived, but I haven't got chance to do them (long list) before going to work. Will be put on tonight
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2012, 08:53:31 AM
Fleet changes just arrived, but I haven't got chance to do them (long list) before going to work. Will be put on tonight
Many thanks Tony - always appreciated.
673 is now @ BC rode on it on the 636 this morning and 4079 is now at AG seen it on the 73 this morning heading for Solihull ;)
1801 & 1808 are now at BY seen on the 17 (1801) & 55 (1808) this morning in Birmingham :)
saw 1670 + 1692 i think at wn
Whats the point in WN having more Mercs because we offloaded a few to PE.
To replace the smaller, less reliable, slower, very slightly older, remaining Excel's I presume
I prefer Mercs now in Wolvo over most thingsso its all good if were getting more i suppose
1804 & 1811 are now at BY both seen on the 55 in Birmingham this morning :)
4517 currently broken down in Sparkhill. 4037 dispatched to replace it. 4513 still at AG too, seen on Friday.
saw 1690 heading down park lane today
4528 on the 80 to Birmingham today
4529 on the 80 too, I think... I didn't know cause the rear LED doesn't work
4528/9 been at WB a while now but gemini's seem more and more common on the 80 now
1789 is now at BY seen on the 17 at Yardley Yew Tree this morning :)
2137 was on the 58 today
and 1811 on the 17
I was google searching randomly, and I came across some old NXWM route bus and garage allocations:
http://uktransport.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_National_Express_West_Midlands_Bus_Routes
if anyone's interested :)
has 1423/1430 left Acocks green yet the only B10L at Acocks Green
1430 has, but its gone to PB instead, possibly as a replacement for 1412 which is now withdrawn
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 20, 2012, 10:14:18 AM
has 1423/1430 left Acocks green yet the only B10L at Acocks Green
1809 & 1810 are now at BY both on the 17 today :)
1423 is now at Perry Barr
Does that mean all BC omnilinks are heading to BY then?
Quote from: Rob H on May 18, 2012, 01:13:21 PM
1789 is now at BY seen on the 17 at Yardley Yew Tree this morning :)
I think the whole Omnilink allocation is going to temporarily get a bit complicated. This is due to NXWM loaning several fairly new vehicles down to London operators for the Olympics, so there will need to be spare vehicles. The situation is made more difficult by the fact that any buses used at the Olympics must have all logos, adverts and ticket equipment removed and therefore they will be out of use for a period before and after the actual games too.
Therefore these ex-BC Scanias are possibly to be used as a float to cover missing vehicles before settling into their proper new homes later in the year.
I think that the 'temporary' renaissance of B10Ls at Walsall covers the loan of vehicles for the Olympics - does anyone know whether this will be for the period of the Paralympics also?
The B7RLEs at BC will presumably replace Omnilinks which move to BY and replace (all?) of the Mercs for (generally) cascade for final B6LE and Excel replacement across WB, WN and PE.
Presumably the next batch of ex Dundee Scanias will go to PB to cover for their vehicles at the Olympics, which will replace B10Ls on their return.
All conjecture - does anyone know the actual details?
Don,
The bulk of the B10Ls at WA are replacing B6LE.
I think Tony has already confirmed somewhere that NXWM will be loaning 20 vehicles to Londond for the Olympics, I'm assuming these will be non branded Enviro 400's, personally I don't see the point in NXWM getting involved, especially as those buses will need to be out of action before & after the Olympics, plus the work involved having all logo's / adverts / ticketing equipment removed. It would make more sense if buses were allowed to keep logo's, it would be a good advert for NX
Quote from: don on May 22, 2012, 10:01:43 PM
I think that the 'temporary' renaissance of B10Ls at Walsall covers the loan of vehicles for the Olympics - does anyone know whether this will be for the period of the Paralympics also?
The B7RLEs at BC will presumably replace Omnilinks which move to BY and replace (all?) of the Mercs for (generally) cascade for final B6LE and Excel replacement across WB, WN and PE.
Presumably the next batch of ex Dundee Scanias will go to PB to cover for their vehicles at the Olympics, which will replace B10Ls on their return.
All conjecture - does anyone know the actual details?
It probably would be a good advert for NXWM, if every bit of etching was removed from the vehicles sent. But wouldnt it be mkore sense to send Presidents rather than Enviro400s
Quote from: Ashley on May 23, 2012, 10:02:26 AM
It probably would be a good advert for NXWM, if every bit of etching was removed from the vehicles sent. But wouldnt it be mkore sense to send Presidents rather than Enviro400s
Yes, lets send vehicles that don't even meet Birminghams emission rules let alone theLEZ ones
How is it going to be a good advert for NXWM, when they will have to have all NXWM logo's removed?
That was the point I was trying to make, don't see the point in getting involved
Quote from: Ashley on May 23, 2012, 10:02:26 AM
It probably would be a good advert for NXWM, if every bit of etching was removed from the vehicles sent. But wouldnt it be mkore sense to send Presidents rather than Enviro400s
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
How is it going to be a good advert for NXWM, when they will have to have all NXWM logo's removed?
That was the point I was trying to make, don't see the point in getting involved
Perhaps the point is the company is going to make quite a bit of money out of it? The buses are not on hire to another operator as mentioned above
I guess it must be worth their while to have to go to all that trouble.
Presumably the date of the Olympics will coincide with when NXWM normally reduce the frequencies/Pvr during the school summer holidays anyway, so covering for 20 vehicles on those Olympic duties will not create too much of headache
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
How is it going to be a good advert for NXWM, when they will have to have all NXWM logo's removed?
That was the point I was trying to make, don't see the point in getting involved
Perhaps the point is the company is going to make quite a bit of money out of it? The buses are not on hire to another operator as mentioned above
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
How is it going to be a good advert for NXWM, when they will have to have all NXWM logo's removed?
That was the point I was trying to make, don't see the point in getting involved
Perhaps the point is the company is going to make quite a bit of money out of it? The buses are not on hire to another operator as mentioned above
I think it's excellent news - presumably NXWM has answered a request from the Olympic Committee for assistance - providing money and kudos for the company - do they get to say they're supporting the Olympics as well on their branding?
Also Winston, I agree with what you're saying regarding the B10Ls replacing B6LEs at Walsall, but also if you total the new vehicles in over the last few months or planned in the next month across the NXWM fleet (about 215) against withdrawals over the same period, there is quite a shortfall of withdrawals at the moment - enough to remove all the B6LEs, Excels and all but about 20 B10Ls.........
And presumably some extra vehicles are required for V Festival as well?? Plus to cover refurbishment plans.
Quote from: don on May 23, 2012, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
How is it going to be a good advert for NXWM, when they will have to have all NXWM logo's removed?
That was the point I was trying to make, don't see the point in getting involved
Perhaps the point is the company is going to make quite a bit of money out of it? The buses are not on hire to another operator as mentioned above
I think it's excellent news - presumably NXWM has answered a request from the Olympic Committee for assistance - providing money and kudos for the company - do they get to say they're supporting the Olympics as well on their branding?
Also Winston, I agree with what you're saying regarding the B10Ls replacing B6LEs at Walsall, but also if you total the new vehicles in over the last few months or planned in the next month across the NXWM fleet (about 215) against withdrawals over the same period, there is quite a shortfall of withdrawals at the moment - enough to remove all the B6LEs, Excels and all but about 20 B10Ls.........
And presumably some extra vehicles are required for V Festival as well?? Plus to cover refurbishment plans.
Don,
As I see it, all withdrawals have already taken place for deliveries of Volvo B7RLE's at WN (2059-2077) & PE (2078-2098) garages, also all vehicles have already been withdrawn from AG following the entry in to service of AG's 23 Volvo B7RLE (2099-2121), the new vehicles at AG have resulted in a cascade of 22 B10L to WA & 2 B10L to PB (1423 & 1430).
Of the 22 B10L now at WA, this has already resulted in 9 B6LE withdrawals up to April fleet changes (4 went to reserve, 5 refurbished B6LE went to BC resulting in 5 non refurbished examples being withdrawn), that leaves approx 13 more B6LE withdrawals from WA once all B10L enter service, however, Tony has already confirmed that fewer B6LE may be withdrawn than B10L's taken in to stock to give WA a higher allocation to cover for V festival/Olympic duties etc.
The ex Dundee Omnilinks have resulted in the withdrawal of 4 x B10L's & 4269 & 4509 to WB (573 & 676 were withdrawn from WB as a result - April fleet changes)
The two ex AG B10L's (1423 & 1430) now @ PB moved in May, whilst 1412 has also been withdrawn in May, so may one withdrawal as a result of those arrivals
The 31 x Volvo B7RLE @ BC are cascading Omnilinks to BY then cascading Merc's to WN. (1688/1689 went to WN in April, so 2 of the Excel withdrawals may be a result of those entering service at WN in April fleet changes.
Up to April Fleet changes & also including 1423/30 AG - PB & 1412 PB - XS, I have the following quantities still left in service:
Volvo B6LE - 64
Excel - 20
B10L - 49
Based on your figures, that would mean 113 withdrawals still to take place,
As I see it withdrawals still to take place are as follows:
Up to 13 Volvo B6LE from WA as a result of 22 x B10L received
1 or 2 TWM liveried B10L's from PB as a result of 1423/30
31 single deckers as a result of the BC Volvo B7RLE arrivals/Omnilink/Merc cascades (which will no doubt include most if not all remaining Excel @ WN)
5 x Omnilinks still to arrive from Dundee, all six to enter service at PB garage?
I reckon there are actually only approx 50 - 55 more withdrawals due.
There will of course be a further 30 ish withdrawals due during Oct/Nov 2012 when the 30 Midis enter service
Are your figures also taking in to account the 21 Hybrids due in early 2013?
The 2013 hybrids should replace the Spectras at WN as a guess.
As for the BY Mercs, I saw 1687 on the 11 in Wolves yesterday with blank blinds
Winston buddy 673 is @ BC ;)
Rob H, you are quite right, it was a typo should have been 676 withdrawn (I've edited my original post),
Cheers mate!
Quote from: Rob H on May 24, 2012, 03:48:34 PM
Winston buddy 673 is @ BC ;)
1690 1691 1692 1687 all seen in wn bus station today
4063 is at Acocks Green on the 31's today.
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
I reckon there are actually only approx 50 - 55 more withdrawals due.
There will of course be a further 30 ish withdrawals due during Oct/Nov 2012 when the 30 Midis enter service
Are your figures also taking in to account the 21 Hybrids due in early 2013?
No I didn't include the hybrids or midibuses, just added the numbers up wrong. I agree with your numbers, Winston, I think 55 ish based on:-
New vehicles since Nov 2011 - 215 (including the Dundee Scanias and B7RLEs in course of transfer/delivery)
Withdrawals since Nov 2011 - 160
Based on Tony's fleetlists at Nov 2011 and updates to April 2012 (a handful of B6LEs listed in updates as withdrawn haven't been shown as withdrawn in the fleet list yet, and two ex London Excels went in Nov 11 but not listed in the update), I think candidates for withdrawal are from:-
48 B6LE
18 Excels (no ex London ones left)
2 Darts
50 B10L
11 Solo a total of 129 + any Mercs which are also withdrawn.
At the current rate of 18 per month I think it likely the B6LE and Excels, except maybe for penny numbers if any are needed owing to vehicle size restrictions on specific routes, may be history within two/three months.
Quote from: don on May 26, 2012, 02:24:19 AM
Quote from: winston on May 23, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
I reckon there are actually only approx 50 - 55 more withdrawals due.
There will of course be a further 30 ish withdrawals due during Oct/Nov 2012 when the 30 Midis enter service
Are your figures also taking in to account the 21 Hybrids due in early 2013?
No I didn't include the hybrids or midibuses, just added the numbers up wrong. I agree with your numbers, Winston, I think 55 ish based on:-
New vehicles since Nov 2011 - 215 (including the Dundee Scanias and B7RLEs in course of transfer/delivery)
Withdrawals since Nov 2011 - 160
Based on Tony's fleetlists at Nov 2011 and updates to April 2012 (a handful of B6LEs listed in updates as withdrawn haven't been shown as withdrawn in the fleet list yet, and two ex London Excels went in Nov 11 but not listed in the update), I think candidates for withdrawal are from:-
48 B6LE
18 Excels (no ex London ones left)
2 Darts
50 B10L
11 Solo a total of 129 + any Mercs which are also withdrawn.
At the current rate of 18 per month I think it likely the B6LE and Excels, except maybe for penny numbers if any are needed owing to vehicle size restrictions on specific routes, may be history within two/three months.
Don,
Your Solo & B6LE quantities are a bit light,
Up to end of April, there were still the following left in service,
Solos = 13
B6LE = 63 (more will be withdrawn from WA following receipt/entry in to service of ex AG B10L's)
There are also the 14 ex Travel London Dart SLF/ALX200 @ WB to consider, as they are non standard
I agree on the ALX200s - I didn't include them simply because they aren't coming up to 15 yrs old quite yet whereas all the rest are.
I guess we will have to wait and see - the conjecture could all be upset if the overall PVR is reduced, the percentage of spares for maintenance is lowered (by lowering the percentage of unreliable older vehicles replaced by the influx of new ones), or if a lot more Mercs get withdrawn.
1459/1477/7127 are still waiting to enter service at Walsall. It`s quite a shame at Acocks Green all Volvo B10L`s was gone within a Month after 10 years of service there.
1469 has died from PB, now at Miller Street.
1412 has for some reason been dumped withdrawn at Walsall
Now that the Enviros have returned from Olympic duties & after this weekend's V festival is out the way, as the Enviros have logo's re-applied & return to their original garages, I expect we will see approx 20 x cascades & withdrawals from the NXWM fleet over the coming weeks as follows:
PB hasn't withdrawn anything since receiving the 6 additional Omnilinks ex NX Dundee (7028-7033), therefore once 4851-6 return to PB, I expect we will see 6 x B10L's withdrawn
Once CV & WA received their Enviros back, that will then release the 14 x Ominlinks currently on loan to those garages for transfer elsewhere (Bordesley is looking favourite) which in turn will cascade 14 x T/V reg Mercs to PE, WB & WN I expect. There may just be enough spare Omnilinks to oust the remaining Mercs from BY
Personally, being as I live not far from West Brom and use their routes fairly regularly, especially the 410, I'd like to see some Scanias headed WB's way. It would be a nice change to have some newer single deckers roaming around. Probably won't happen, but hey, a man can hope, right?
Quote from: JackC on August 17, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
Personally, being as I live not far from West Brom and use their routes fairly regularly, especially the 410, I'd like to see some Scanias headed WB's way. It would be a nice change to have some newer single deckers roaming around. Probably won't happen, but hey, a man can hope, right?
I think that's unlikely, but I'm thinking WB may well receive some new double or single deckers from the NX 2013 order as part of its commitment to the Sandwell Network Review. WB now has the oldest average fleet age and the the small batch of Midi's the garage is expecting to receive will no do much to bring that down
I doubt this would happen but would be ideal to complete fleet number sets:
2 Omnilinks to PB to transfer 4515/4516 to WB
4 Ominilinks to AG to transfer 4517-20 to WB but a swap of 4 presidents to AG from WB in exchange would be more ideal
Yeah i think its likely that all the omnilinks will go to BY to release mercs to WB/PE and WN but i wouldnt be suprised to see a few '57 reg' omnilinks stay at Walsall as a permanent transfer to ensure the 301/311/313 and 404 stay fully omnilink operation as eclipses do regulary occur or see around 4 go to WB for the 89 service to make that service comply with the emmission requirement when it occurs. Also could see a few omnilinks go PB to replace some liberators there.
The 410 will be one of the last services at WB to get the scania's if they went there, in the evening the alx200 darts could run the service as its not that busy, services like the 89 would get them first.
Quote from: Ash on August 17, 2012, 10:37:33 PM
The 410 will be one of the last services at WB to get the scania's if they went there, in the evening the alx200 darts could run the service as its not that busy, services like the 89 would get them first.
Mhm, I'm fairly resigned to the fact the 410 wouldn't get too much attention, although it can get fairly busy at times. Still, like I said, nothing wrong with a little hope :P Also, the Darts do run the evening service most of the time.
Quote from: Ash on August 17, 2012, 10:37:33 PM
I doubt this would happen but would be ideal to complete fleet number sets:
2 Omnilinks to PB to transfer 4515/4516 to WB
4 Ominilinks to AG to transfer 4517-20 to WB but a swap of 4 presidents to AG from WB in exchange would be more ideal
Yeah i think its likely that all the omnilinks will go to BY to release mercs to WB/PE and WN but i wouldnt be suprised to see a few '57 reg' omnilinks stay at Walsall as a permanent transfer to ensure the 301/311/313 and 404 stay fully omnilink operation as eclipses do regulary occur or see around 4 go to WB for the 89 service to make that service comply with the emmission requirement when it occurs. Also could see a few omnilinks go PB to replace some liberators there.
The 410 will be one of the last services at WB to get the scania's if they went there, in the evening the alx200 darts could run the service as its not that busy, services like the 89 would get them first.
If a few Omnilinks remained at WA, they wouldn't be enough to oust all remaining Mercs, therefore BY would end up with say 44 x Omnilink & 4 Mercs which wouldn't be very practical. Plus as BY is now under joint management with PB and I'm assuming PB have taken over maintenance responsibilities from BC, Mercs aren't a type PB operate stock parts for
Quote from: JackC on August 17, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 17, 2012, 10:37:33 PM
The 410 will be one of the last services at WB to get the scania's if they went there, in the evening the alx200 darts could run the service as its not that busy, services like the 89 would get them first.
Mhm, I'm fairly resigned to the fact the 410 wouldn't get too much attention, although it can get fairly busy at times. Still, like I said, nothing wrong with a little hope :P Also, the Darts do run the evening service most of the time.
Yeah Jack C the darts run on the evening 410 becuase the buses come off the 428 so always sees darts or b6le with the mercs off the 410 going on the evening 451, NXWM 410 can be very busy as long as a diamond is not in front then its the other way round as the diamond 410 then seems to be the busiest. Yeah i agree i see the omnilinks going to BY i was just giving a few alternatives but all of them transferring to BY is definitely the most practical.
I really dont see why West Brom has gained so many Gemini's recently. They're always wasted on routes which dont need them like today i saw one on the 406 with 6 people on!
Surely they would be better used elsewhere?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 18, 2012, 01:05:09 AM
I really dont see why West Brom has gained so many Gemini's recently. They're always wasted on routes which dont need them like today i saw one on the 406 with 6 people on!
Surely they would be better used elsewhere?
From what I've read, they're for the double deck routes heading into Birmingham ready for the emission zone? A wild guess would say that seeing as the emission zone is not yet in place, they're just using any bus they want on any route they want for the time being.
Quote from: Winston on August 17, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
PB hasn't withdrawn anything since receiving the 6 additional Omnilinks ex NX Dundee (7028-7033), therefore once 4851-6 return to PB, I expect we will see 6 x B10L's withdrawn
Surely this will allow 12 withdrawals or transfers?
I'm expecting to see a few more Excels, B6LEs, B10Ls and Mercs get withdrawn - looking at the Reserve fleet thread, it appears a handful more Mercs and Excels have already been withdrawn - prior to return of the Enviros??
Quote from: don on August 18, 2012, 03:30:15 AM
Quote from: Winston on August 17, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
PB hasn't withdrawn anything since receiving the 6 additional Omnilinks ex NX Dundee (7028-7033), therefore once 4851-6 return to PB, I expect we will see 6 x B10L's withdrawn
Surely this will allow 12 withdrawals or transfers?
No, the extra 6 vehicles on PB's allocation have been covering for the 6 PB Enviros away on Olympic duties, PB didn't receive any 57 plate Omnilinks to act as cover, they had the 6 ex Dundee Omnilinks instead & made no withdrawals
1635 is currently parked in Walsall garage, presumably for tidying up, and 1636 at the paintshop, so it looks like Bordesley have received two of the loaned Mercs and these two are going to be all neat and tidy when they arriva at their new garage
Tony do you know where 1635 - 1637 are heading or is too early to ask?
Quote from: Ashley on August 24, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Tony do you know where 1635 - 1637 are heading or is too early to ask?
Judging by the current liking of putting batches back together I would guess at Pensnett, but I don't know yet
1790 is now at BY seen on the 17 today
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2012, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 24, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Tony do you know where 1635 - 1637 are heading or is too early to ask?
Judging by the current liking of putting batches back together I would guess at Pensnett, but I don't know yet
Saying that, I always thought it was odd when 1632 & 1634 transferred to WB, while 1633 went to PE, especially as the bulk of 1629-1649 are at PE
been told that about 4 or 5 presidents are going to AG from WB today (bank hol) and being replaced with more 53 plate geminis. not sure of fleet numbers but i know 4082 is definitly going to AG.
Quote from: wbdriver on August 27, 2012, 03:57:43 PM
been told that about 4 or 5 presidents are going to AG from WB today (bank hol) and being replaced with more 53 plate geminis. not sure of fleet numbers but i know 4082 is definitly going to AG.
There are only 3 53 plated Gemini's left (4517-9) at Acocks Green, so it may only be 3 Presidents leaving WB or might some 54 plated Gemini's leave Acocks Green too.
Quote from: thetruth on August 27, 2012, 04:03:15 PM
There are 4, 4520 is still there
Yes, of course, Ignore me then! The fleetlist I'm looking at says it's at WB!
From the 2nd September the 74E between Birmingham and Handsworth is reinstated so more double deckers will be used on here so eliminating the number of double deckers used on WB town services.
Argh more Presidents. And my favourite vehicles are gone! I hope nobody takes 4635-79 now!
4517 is currently parked at Solihull Station waiting to go on the 5, so not quite West Bromwich just yet.
I think there will be more mercs from BY to replace 1526/9/1622 and 1626 still in travel west midland livery and may be some of the older mercs in NXWM livery such as 1523 and 1534.
Quote from: wbdriver on August 27, 2012, 03:57:43 PM
been told that about 4 or 5 presidents are going to AG from WB today (bank hol) and being replaced with more 53 plate geminis. not sure of fleet numbers but i know 4082 is definitly going to AG.
I'll keep an eye out for any of them ;)
Quote from: Ash on August 27, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
I think there will be more mercs from BY to replace 1526/9/1622 and 1626 still in travel west midland livery and may be some of the older mercs in NXWM livery such as 1523 and 1534.
You never know, some of the Bordesley Mercedes may go to Coventry as well as they still have a sizeable amount of older r/s reg ones, or Wolverhampton to get rid of their last few ex-Coventry examples or the last Excels.
Quote from: John-s-91 on August 27, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 27, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
I think there will be more mercs from BY to replace 1526/9/1622 and 1626 still in travel west midland livery and may be some of the older mercs in NXWM livery such as 1523 and 1534.
You never know, some of the Bordesley Mercedes may go to Coventry as well as they still have a sizeable amount of older r/s reg ones, or Wolverhampton to get rid of their last few ex-Coventry examples or the last Excels.
To be honest, I doubt they'll waste the money to change the red to blue on the Mercs. It'd me more logical to transfer something like Scania Omnilinks from somewhere to Coventry.
Quote from: Michael on August 27, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
To be honest, I doubt they'll waste the money to change the red to blue on the Mercs. It'd me more logical to transfer something like Scania Omnilinks from somewhere to Coventry.
What would the transferred Scania's be replaced with?
Quote from: Michael on August 27, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: John-s-91 on August 27, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Ash on August 27, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
I think there will be more mercs from BY to replace 1526/9/1622 and 1626 still in travel west midland livery and may be some of the older mercs in NXWM livery such as 1523 and 1534.
You never know, some of the Bordesley Mercedes may go to Coventry as well as they still have a sizeable amount of older r/s reg ones, or Wolverhampton to get rid of their last few ex-Coventry examples or the last Excels.
To be honest, I doubt they'll waste the money to change the red to blue on the Mercs. It'd me more logical to transfer something like Scania Omnilinks from somewhere to Coventry.
1547 back to CV, 1557 and 1655 to name 3 mercs recently to go to Coventry all they have to do is paint the red to sky blue and put the NX Coventry logos on which i doubt costs a lot of money, yeah wouldnt suprise me if some of the BY mercs head to Coventry as i doubt Coventry will be getting any new single deckers in the near future.
Quote from: thetruth on August 28, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Only noted 4519 out of the 4, on the 74 today.
4044, 4054, 4055, 4083, 4084, 4087, 4090, 4095, 4099, 4100, 4110 and 4113 are still at WB.
4518 was the only one out at AG
Michael. You do really need to stop calling people 'Idiots'. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and reasons to back up their opinion. You may not agree, that's fine but it is bang out of order for personal attacks like that.
Ive been a member on a number of forums and various chat rooms over the years, on all different subjects. I find it very amusing that the most bitchy and the one that has the most abuse is one about local buses!
You are right Gareth - but there's nothing like an enthusiast forum to strike up strong emotions.
However Michael has noticed what a number of people have, namely that Coventry has rather a large allocation of 'at risk' Mercs so must be in line for either a substantial number of new vehicles or cascade of other vehicles, or a combination of both in the fairly near future.
Quote from: Michael on August 29, 2012, 04:09:27 AM
Quote from: Ash on August 29, 2012, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: Michael on August 27, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
To be honest, I doubt they'll waste the money to change the red to blue on the Mercs. It'd me more logical to transfer something like Scania Omnilinks from somewhere to Coventry.
Michael, Stop assuming they gonna transfer omnilinks from somewhere to Coventry, it hasnt been announced has it! lol
******************* I stated that it'd be more logical based on the fact that it'd be more long term, so they wouldn't just change the colour and then end up withdrawing it a couple of months down the line.
Is there any need for the '***********' comment , What is your problem its a forum is open to suggestions if you dont like whats being said you not what you can do ;D. I was just saying painting a stripe on some of BY's newer mercs and replacing logo's to replace some of Coventry's older mercs could be an idea and surely not that expensive. At the moment where could you see these omnilinks coming from to transfer to Coventry, and as theres no new full size single deckers being delivered soon im sure the BY mercs would be at Coventry for quite a while if they transferred there.
The Scanias seem to be running the 5 mainly now, and the new Eclipses still seem to making appearances on the 37.
Quote from: Ash on August 27, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
I think there will be more mercs from BY to replace 1526/9/1622 and 1626 still in travel west midland livery and may be some of the older mercs in NXWM livery such as 1523 and 1534.
1526 still alive and well
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 29, 2012, 05:45:27 PM
The Scanias seem to be running the 5 mainly now, and the new Eclipses still seem to making appearances on the 37.
Others often around 4 Eclipses on the 37, however the Presidents have vanished from it.
It's most likely just whilst the holidays.
4520 now at WB, on the 128 today photo appearing on main site soon
Quote from: Michael on August 30, 2012, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 29, 2012, 05:45:27 PM
The Scanias seem to be running the 5 mainly now, and the new Eclipses still seem to making appearances on the 37.
Others often around 4 Eclipses on the 37, however the Presidents have vanished from it.
It's most likely just whilst the holidays.
The 37 is on 'summer holiday' at the moment too, yes once the school term starts, then the extra peak-time workings will return and so will the Presidents! 8)
The last two 45xx Geminis are due to leave AG this weekend and be replaced by 4099 & 4100 in a swop with WB
Bendy buses on way to pensnett ( reserve fleet )
Quote from: pensnettdriver on August 31, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
Bendy buses on way to pensnett ( reserve fleet )
I think these would be good on the 246 (instead of the reserve fleet) , mercs aren't big enough when students are at college and they'd supply more seats & more space.
Trouble would be getting them through brierley hill when people are parked inconsiderabley also Stour bus station isn't designed to take bendys
I suppose russels hall hospital & dudley bus station would be a problem too, shame really because they could have made a huge difference
Quote from: A1991 on September 01, 2012, 04:20:31 PM
I suppose russels hall hospital & dudley bus station would be a problem too, shame really because they could have made a huge difference
A few cascaded Spectra would do the same trick ;)
Quote from: don on September 01, 2012, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: A1991 on September 01, 2012, 04:20:31 PM
I suppose russels hall hospital & dudley bus station would be a problem too, shame really because they could have made a huge difference
A few cascaded Spectras would suffice to do the same trick ;)
Quote from: A1991 on September 01, 2012, 04:20:31 PM
I suppose russels hall hospital & dudley bus station would be a problem too, shame really because they could have made a huge difference
A far bigger problem would be that they are unreliable old nails
Why all the fuss about the Spectras? When there will be plenty of Presidents in decent condition, and with a few more years in service left in them, looking for new homes once they're not allowed in Birmingham city centre from next year! ;D
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2012, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: A1991 on September 01, 2012, 04:20:31 PM
I suppose russels hall hospital & dudley bus station would be a problem too, shame really because they could have made a huge difference
A far bigger problem would be that they are unreliable old nails
And drink fuel.....
I'll be gob smacked if Volant ever found a buyer for those when there is an abundance of much newer Citaro artics for sale, or is the reason for their return from Volant is that they have given up?
Would NXWM not just be better to break them up for parts to keep the 0405N's going?
Volant seem a rubbish and half-hearted dealer if you ask me. NXWM should cannibalise the artics for parts to keep the other mercs going and then sell em for scrap. The problem is artics were an expensive and short lived fad leaving those that invested heavily in them out of pocket.
4517 was still at AG today, got it on the 5
Will 4515 and 4516 stay at PB or transfer to WB to keep all the 53 reg gemini's together
Quote from: Ashley on September 01, 2012, 09:37:55 PM
4517 was still at AG today, got it on the 5
4518 was also on the 31 for it's last day at Acocks Green
4082 was working on the 73 today
1697 been at pensnett all week with blinds fitted. theres still talk that pensnett only want one type of decker and thats the enviro 400 early perry barr ones still mentioned
Quote from: karl724223 on September 02, 2012, 10:57:00 AM
1697 been at pensnett all week with blinds fitted. theres still talk that pensnett only want one type of decker and thats the enviro 400 early perry barr ones still mentioned
Is 1697 a loan as its come from WB rather than BY?
I didn't think that Pensnett garage was now receiving any routes transferred in from other garages and the allocation being increased?
Quote from: John-s-91 on September 01, 2012, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: Ashley on September 01, 2012, 09:37:55 PM
4517 was still at AG today, got it on the 5
4518 was also on the 31 for it's last day at Acocks Green
Not quite, it is operating on the 1 today, so it's not gone yet! ;)
Quote from: thetruth on September 02, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
Anyone from Pensnett noticed that 1616 is missing?
At west brom in exchange for 1696 or 1697 V plate
Quote from: richie on September 02, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: thetruth on September 02, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
Anyone from Pensnett noticed that 1616 is missing?
At west brom in exchange for 1696 or 1697 V plate
I do feel sorry for WB at times, there Mercs must be the scruffiest large batch of buses in the whole fleet, was in West Brom bus station yesterday and out of all the bus terminals in the whole region it must see the lowest number of current liveried NXWM buses, when I was in the only current repaint buses out of about 15 in where two Spectra's from WN garage! Everything else were scruffy WB Presidents, Merc's, and Darts.
Quote from: wilmotm on September 02, 2012, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: richie on September 02, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: thetruth on September 02, 2012, 04:18:18 PM
Anyone from Pensnett noticed that 1616 is missing?
At west brom in exchange for 1696 or 1697 V plate
I do feel sorry for WB at times, there Mercs must be the scruffiest large batch of buses in the whole fleet, was in West Brom bus station yesterday and out of all the bus terminals in the whole region it must see the lowest number of current liveried NXWM buses, when I was in the only current repaint buses out of about 15 in where two Spectra's from WN garage! Everything else were scruffy WB Presidents, Merc's, and Darts.
What was on the 74/75 then? If you saw two 79s, I presume you must have seen at least one Soho Road bus, amazed in 15 buses none of the B6s Red/White presidents/Geminis or ALX400s in either livery. Walsall Scanias?
I was on a ALX400 74 myself in TWM livery with another one following the same, coming back from the Hawthorns and caught in the horrendous traffic, hence a lack of Soho Road buses, there were 2-3 toothpaste Presidents, 6-7 Mercs mostly from WB but a PE one on the 238, and then both 676 and 674 I think, though a little unsure on the last two, and yes there was a WA Omnilink just about to enter the bus station and one had only just left but I was talking about buses parked or picking up in the actual bus station.
Now I am in no way complaining about this as I much prefer the old livery and many of the buses did look cleaner without as much white paint I just mentioned this as a response to WB garage seeming to be at the bottom of the pile now, having the oldest average fleet age I believe and in light of the swap of 1616.
Bordesley have only three mercedes on the road this morning 1660/4/7. two on the 17 one on the 8. Expect a few more different ones in the black country
1833 & 1836 are now at BY, 1833 was on the 55A and 1836 was on the 17 today :)
Quote from: Rob H on September 03, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
1833 & 1836 are now at BY, 1833 was on the 55A and 1836 was on the 17 today :)
Typical! Perry Barr get 1833 repainted then it goes off to Bordesley!
So what will replace the 4 Scania's that are leaving Perry Barr and the B10L's, because the B10L's won't be around for much longer and won't be able to enter the City Centre after January.
This is due to a thought 1697 may not have been fitted with full blinds as WB blinds do have some of the destinations for PE routes areas that WB buses have never been to.
The scania's from Dundee were used at PB i believe just while the enviro's were at the olympics but will be made permanent allowing 4 omnilinks to go to BY and one liberator to be withdrawn, i wonder if 4515/4516 will move to WB to complete the fleet of 53 reg gemini's there may be in a swap for 2 alx400
4323 and 4327 leaving WN for BC this week also happening is 705 and 706 leaving WN for LH.
166* and 1702 from bordesley at Pensnett 1702 has the outline of the 8 branding
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 03, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
4323 and 4327 leaving WN for BC this week also happening is 705 and 706 leaving WN for LH.
Were 4323 and 4327 extra buses at Wolverhampton, or have they been replaced by something else?
I guess the Excels may have been replaced by ex-Bordesley O405N's.
The AG/WB swop hasn't happened yet. 4100 was out on the 128 today
So was 1696 - both de-branded Inner Circle buses from BY.
1835 now at BY on the 55/55A today
1697 is at Pensnett currently on the 276 with route 74e and 451 changes inside
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 04, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
1697 is at Pensnett currently on the 276 with route 74e and 451 changes inside
1697 has been exchanged with 1616 with wb
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 04, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
1697 is at Pensnett currently on the 276 with route 74e and 451 changes inside
1697 has been exchanged with 1616 with wb
Richie,
As loans or transferred?
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 04, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
1697 is at Pensnett currently on the 276 with route 74e and 451 changes inside
1697 has been exchanged with 1616 with wb
Richie,
As loans or transferred?
Think it's temporary but let you know in the next couple of days
6007 and 6008 at pensnett garage
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2012, 07:59:01 PM
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 04, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
1697 is at Pensnett currently on the 276 with route 74e and 451 changes inside
1697 has been exchanged with 1616 with wb
Richie,
As loans or transferred?
Think it's temporary but let you know in the next couple of days
Thanks Richie, would seem a bit of an odd swap with the current emphasis of re-creating blocks of fleet numbers at garages
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
6007 and 6008 at pensnett garage
Richie,
Are they parked down the very bottom of the new land or up top adjacent to the current parking area?
Will have to pop round & have a butchers
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
6007 and 6008 at pensnett garage
Richie,
Are they parked down the very bottom of the new land or up top adjacent to the current parking area?
Will have to pop round & have a butchers
New land top left corner
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: richie on September 04, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
6007 and 6008 at pensnett garage
Richie,
Are they parked down the very bottom of the new land or up top adjacent to the current parking area?
Will have to pop round & have a butchers
New land top left corner
Thanks for the reply!
Why would 1616 and 1697 swap, is there any particular reason ie: mantainance as 1616 used to be a WB bus before going to PE.
1667 now at West Brom
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7950829688
1664 at Pensnett
These newly transferred mercs at WB and PE will they be replacing the older b6le or older mercs or additional buses needed for when the review changes take place. As most of the mercs apart from 3 are all in NXWM livery at WB
Quote from: Ash on September 07, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
As most of the mercs apart from 3 are all in NXWM livery at WB
14 Mercedes (1526, 1529, 1600, 1619, 1622, 1628, 1632, 1651, 1652, 1694, 1696, 1697, 1700 and 1701) are all still in TWM livery at West Brom.
Sorry my mistake totally forgot about 1600 and 1619 but what i should of said of the ones that are expected to be withdrawn as the T reg and V reg ones will be around for while so the R and S reg ones not in NXWM livery i would expect to be withdrawn next.
1697 is at Pensnett. NOT WEST BROMWICH
Has it swapped permanently with 1616 and if so why has this happened or just a loan move.
1702 was on the 410 yesterday with full blinds, so is it at PE or WB?
Tony
1660 from BY to WN for 1 day and refused as poor condition so back to BY
705 and 706 WN to Reserve fleet at LH
4323 WN to BC
w/e 8-9-12
Regards.
Quote1660 from BY to WN for 1 day and refused as poor condition so back to BY
;D
Why do BC need 4323?
4038 and 4041 have suddenly been debranded, not sure if this has anything to do with gaining 4323
Could be to release presidents to AG to replace the gemini's that have gone to WB, as WB might need the presidents for the extra buses needed for the sandwell review, has 4099 and 4100 gone to AG yet?
1802 is now back at BY on the 17 today without logos
I take it 1812 is just on loan to Perry Barr for the day, not a transfer.
So BY can't get rid of 1660 and they still have 1668?
I was on 4284 on the 16 and thought it was 1812 that went past in the other direction but thought i misread the fleet number and just took it for 1842 but i was right first time and was omnilink 1812, yeah 1666 was on the 406 with full blinds.
Quote from: Ashley on September 10, 2012, 10:41:19 PM
So BY can't get rid of 1660 and they still have 1668?
BY dont have 1668 anymore was seen on the 405 this morning, now transferred to WB with full blinds
4327 WN to BC by the end of the week.
1817 at PB, on the 7 this evening.
Quote from: Lukeee on September 11, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
1817 at PB, on the 7 this evening.
1817 is only On Loan to PB Lukeee Buddy, 1812 was On Loan to PB Yesterday on the 16 :)
1804 now back at BY out on the 17 this morning
1667 now at WB seen on the 451
Has anyone seen Omnilink 1807 at Bordesley yet?
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2012, 09:36:10 PM
Has anyone seen Omnilink 1807 at Bordesley yet?
It was out on the 8C at 5ways at around 7.25am this morning
Noticed 4099 yesterday evening on the Warwick Road in Acocks Green then headed down Westley Road out of service.
Quote from: Stu on September 16, 2012, 11:05:34 AM
Noticed 4099 yesterday evening on the Warwick Road in Acocks Green then headed down Westley Road out of service.
It finally made it then! Have 4100 and 4517 transferred yet?
1534 seen being driven down the Newton Road late last night and 1586 being seen driven again down the Newton Road this afternoon both with not in service and both being driven by engineers, may be on their way to Miller Street and guess they could be being withdrawn following the transferred mercs to WB from BY.
Quote from: Ash on September 16, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
1534 seen being driven down the Newton Road late last night and 1586 being seen driven again down the Newton Road this afternoon both with not in service and both being driven by engineers, may be on their way to Miller Street and guess they could be being withdrawn following the transferred mercs to WB from BY.
1534 was a replacement bus for 1574 on the 451 saturday night due to some fucking twats smashing a couple of windows just after new oscott going to kingstanding.
as for 1586 i doubt it will be withdrawn yet due to refurbishment and other non nxwm mercs at west brom and probably was replacing a 406 or 451
Quote from: wbdriver on September 16, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 16, 2012, 07:16:29 PM
1534 seen being driven down the Newton Road late last night and 1586 being seen driven again down the Newton Road this afternoon both with not in service and both being driven by engineers, may be on their way to Miller Street and guess they could be being withdrawn following the transferred mercs to WB from BY.
1534 was a replacement bus for 1574 on the 451 saturday night due to some ****ing twats smashing a couple of windows just after new oscott going to kingstanding.
as for 1586 i doubt it will be withdrawn yet due to refurbishment and other non nxwm mercs at west brom and probably was replacing a 406 or 451
Explains it then, just thought it was odd to see a merc with an engineer on down the newton road at that time especially as 1534 is one of the older unrefurbed mercs at WB. Smashed windows on buses at the New Oscott doesnt surpise me at all though.
4517 is now at WB seen it on the 128 in Birmingham this morning
Quote from: John-s-91 on September 13, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Was out on the Pershore Road today.
On the 900E
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7996851690
1697 still at Pensnett
1664 at Pensnett - http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7996812316
Quote from: John-s-91 on September 17, 2012, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: John-s-91 on September 13, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Was out on the Pershore Road today.
On the 900E
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7996851690
1697 still at Pensnett
1664 at Pensnett - http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7996812316
I thought someone had reported 1697 as back at WB with WB blinds last week sometime
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 11, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
4327 WN to BC by the end of the week.
4327 was on my route 60 this morning
1663 is at Pensnett
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2012, 10:25:36 PM
I thought someone had reported 1697 as back at WB with WB blinds last week sometime
I think someone did, but it was definitely on either the 276 or 297 yesterday.
It is at Pensnett as its on the 222 and wb don't have the 222 via points in the blinds
1660 BY to WN today.
thought someone posted wn had refused 1660 it due to its poor condition
Quote from: mranon on September 18, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
thought someone posted wn had refused 1660 it due to its poor condition
They did, no doubt BY have now rectified the problems it was originally rejected for and WN have now accepted it
Quote from: Winston on September 18, 2012, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: mranon on September 18, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
thought someone posted wn had refused 1660 it due to its poor condition
They did, no doubt BY have now rectified the problems it was originally rejected for and WN have now accepted it
What an extraordinary waste of time and money - surely the pragmatic thing to be done here is for WN to fix the bus? Or is it to do with each garage being a cost centre with its own budget - no doubt good in some respects but this action smacks of 1970s beurocracy >:(
Why should one depot fix another's mistakes!
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 19, 2012, 12:55:35 AM
Why should one depot fix another's mistakes!
Yes I understand your point, but they're all working for/part of the same company and what was done has cost more money - multiply that sort of thinking across the business and it's highly inefficient (and very surprising to be honest)
Just a guess, but I'd imagine each garage has an engineering budget. PL would probably not want to unnecessarily spend money on something that BY should have done originally.
Quote from: don on September 19, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 19, 2012, 12:55:35 AM
Why should one depot fix another's mistakes!
Yes I understand your point, but they're all working for/part of the same company and what was done has cost more money - multiply that sort of thinking across the business and it's highly inefficient (and very surprising to be honest)
I'm not atall surprised. Wolverhampton must have a workshop manager like one we used to have, whereas his colleagues across the company may be a little more tolerant.
The guy we had was very predictable and ex military. Fitters from other garages often didn't bother to bring their lift back home along with them because they knew what was going to happen if they brought a bus to us...9 times out of 10 they would end up taking it straight back again after lots of jumping up and down, pointing and slamming of doors.
To be fair to him, I used to watch the work that went into a vehicle that he was transferring elsewhere and he very rarely received the same courtesy from others. At that time though the company had a very annoying habit of selecting vehicles for transfer that we had just done major work on or repainted, and I think that sort of practice is what brought about the cost centre and internal asset system and you can see why.
His favourite bone of contention was Stafford garage sending nails all the way to Tamworth in service on the 825, with the inevitable scenario of the Stafford driver coming into garage with some terminal fault and expecting to borrow a bus for the rest of the day while our fitters repaired the Stafford vehicle. It was amazing how quickly he could assemble the shunting staff and send them out with any spare buses to be parked up at random locations where they would never be seen by the oblivious Stafford driver!
Quote from: Gareth on September 19, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
Just a guess, but I'd imagine each garage has an engineering budget. PL would probably not want to unnecessarily spend money on something that BY should have done originally.
Yeah - I think you're right. You would have thought an accounting system could have dealt with this, though - some sort of heading to account for rectifying transfers in - what a laugh if the vehicle being replaced by the offending Merc had expired at WN in the extra time the Merc spent at BY, thus causing a bigger dent in the engineering budget at WN.
The worst example I have heard of this type of accountancy gone mad was (back in 1973) buses transferred to WMPTE from Midland Red having to be towed to their new garage (Moseley Road) owing to faults at the time of purchase! I think an S17 was purchased in an accident damaged, written off state as well (5705)!! I have also read that vehicles damaged during transfer had to be repaired by their new owner as well (quite a lot of dual purpose buses had to be moved from garages taken over by WMPTE to Midland Red garages in the reverse direction).
Anyway- way off topic - sorry!!!
is 1903 still at WB
Quote from: NathanJC on September 19, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
is 1903 still at WB
No, it's back at Walsall. West Brom must have been short on buses on that day to Borrow 1903.
Quote from: NathanJC on September 19, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
is 1903 still at WB
It was back at Walsall on the 404 today, but on monday WB borrowed 1903 and 658 from Walsall both buses have returned but i believe 1903 was at WB for 2 days only returning today.
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2012, 08:44:26 AM
1635 is currently parked in Walsall garage, presumably for tidying up, and 1636 at the paintshop, so it looks like Bordesley have received two of the loaned Mercs and these two are going to be all neat and tidy when they arriva at their new garage
1635 has had a front end repaint into blue (http://www.flickr.com/photos/73990603@N06/7977378278/ ), does anyone know if 1636 get a complete refurb like 1653 or just get the red painted blue ready to go to Coventry, like 1655?
John, I think 1636 has got had the red front repainted blue like 1655. If i'm in Coventry before you are i'll try getting a photo of it
Quote from: thetruth on September 22, 2012, 08:12:46 PM
1636 has only had a front end repaint so is now in Travel Coventry livery.
Thanks, Ashley and thetruth. Much appreciated.
I was in Coventry yesterday, a bit of bus spotters luck and a sprint got me a rjourney on 1636 and a photo, its a fast bus and one of the tidyest in the fleet
Tony,
As I see it, at the Sandwell Review from the information you've already provided, unless NXWM won't be operating these new services, then West Brom will be gaining two further services (83 and 129) which will go into the city centre.
Will they have enough Euro3 compliant buses (Volvo Gemini & ALX400) to be able to operate all their Birmingham services (74, 75, 80, 82, 83, 87, 89, 127, 128 and 129) from January 2013?
Maybe Coventry could transfer over some B7tls or tridents in the interim until NXWM buy some more new deckers as surely there must be some due.
Quote from: Stu on September 24, 2012, 07:56:33 PM
Tony,
As I see it, at the Sandwell Review from the information you've already provided, unless NXWM won't be operating these new services, then West Brom will be gaining two further services (83 and 129) which will go into the city centre.
Will they have enough Euro3 compliant buses (Volvo Gemini & ALX400) to be able to operate all their Birmingham services (74, 75, 80, 82, 83, 87, 89, 127, 128 and 129) from January 2013?
Stu, I think the overall problem is West Brom garage has had no new buses now for a long time and with this sandwell review approaching there will or could well be a shortage of euro 3 compliant buses becuase of lack of investment the geminis are 06 reg and are the newest buses there since the omnilinks have left every other garage has newer buses and i doubt West Bromwich will have any new double deckers within the near future.
Exactly. As I see it, current WB fleet stands at:
11b6s
37mercs
14darts
18 06 reg geminis
28 earlier geminis
31 alx400/volvos
25 presidents
Grand total of 164. Of that, 77 meet the euro3 targets. The question is, what is the current PVR of all WB routes entering the city centre? Also, what will the new PVR be when the changes come into force? Clearly if it is above 77 then NXWM have a problem.
Possible solutions:
Still a couple of 53 reg geminis at AG-could be swapped for presidents
Do AG need all of their geminis that they currently have? If not, transfer across.
Buy WB some new deckers-maybe some Volvos to go with the existing fleet. Or, buy AG new buses to replace geminis and transfer geminis across to WB
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Exactly. As I see it, current WB fleet stands at:
11b6s
37mercs
14darts
18 06 reg geminis
28 earlier geminis
31 alx400/volvos
25 presidents
Grand total of 164. Of that, 77 meet the euro3 targets. The question is, what is the current PVR of all WB routes entering the city centre? Also, what will the new PVR be when the changes come into force? Clearly if it is above 77 then NXWM have a problem.
Possible solutions:
Still a couple of 53 reg geminis at AG-could be swapped for presidents
Do AG need all of their geminis that they currently have? If not, transfer across.
Buy WB some new deckers-maybe some Volvos to go with the existing fleet. Or, buy AG new buses to replace geminis and transfer geminis across to WB
Taking in to account Merc transfers in to WB from BY, two further Gemini/President swaps with AG & withdrawals reported during September the quantities are actually as follows:
10 x B6LEs
41 x Mercs (a number of earlier non refurb Mercs may now have been withdrawn?)
16 x Darts
18 x 06 reg geminis
30 x earlier geminis (4517 & 4518 are now at WB ex AG, swapped for two further Presidents)
30 x Alx400/volvos
24 x Presidents
78 x Euro 3 double deckers
Total 169
AG doesn't now own any 53 reg Geminis, they are now all at WB
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Exactly. As I see it, current WB fleet stands at:
11b6s
37mercs
14darts
18 06 reg geminis
28 earlier geminis
31 alx400/volvos
25 presidents
Grand total of 164. Of that, 77 meet the euro3 targets. The question is, what is the current PVR of all WB routes entering the city centre? Also, what will the new PVR be when the changes come into force? Clearly if it is above 77 then NXWM have a problem.
Possible solutions:
Still a couple of 53 reg geminis at AG-could be swapped for presidents
Do AG need all of their geminis that they currently have? If not, transfer across.
Buy WB some new deckers-maybe some Volvos to go with the existing fleet. Or, buy AG new buses to replace geminis and transfer geminis across to WB
Taking in to account Merc transfers in to WB from BY, two further Gemini/President swaps with AG & withdrawals reported during September the quantities are actually as follows:
10 x B6LEs
41 x Mercs (a number of earlier non refurb Mercs may now have been withdrawn?)
14 x Darts
18 x 06 reg geminis
30 x earlier geminis (4517 & 4518 are now at WB ex AG, swapped for two further Presidents)
30 x Alx400/volvos
24 x Presidents
Total 167
AG doesn't now own any 53 reg Geminis, they are now all at WB
Thanks for updating me ;)
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Exactly. As I see it, current WB fleet stands at:
11b6s
37mercs
14darts
18 06 reg geminis
28 earlier geminis
31 alx400/volvos
25 presidents
Grand total of 164. Of that, 77 meet the euro3 targets. The question is, what is the current PVR of all WB routes entering the city centre? Also, what will the new PVR be when the changes come into force? Clearly if it is above 77 then NXWM have a problem.
Possible solutions:
Still a couple of 53 reg geminis at AG-could be swapped for presidents
Do AG need all of their geminis that they currently have? If not, transfer across.
Buy WB some new deckers-maybe some Volvos to go with the existing fleet. Or, buy AG new buses to replace geminis and transfer geminis across to WB
Taking in to account Merc transfers in to WB from BY, two further Gemini/President swaps with AG & withdrawals reported during September the quantities are actually as follows:
10 x B6LEs
41 x Mercs (a number of earlier non refurb Mercs may now have been withdrawn?)
14 x Darts
18 x 06 reg geminis
30 x earlier geminis (4517 & 4518 are now at WB ex AG, swapped for two further Presidents)
30 x Alx400/volvos
24 x Presidents
Total 167
AG doesn't now own any 53 reg Geminis, they are now all at WB
16 darts!
Crap-forgot the wright darts. These are nice buses too....
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 08:40:07 PM
Exactly. As I see it, current WB fleet stands at:
11b6s
37mercs
14darts
18 06 reg geminis
28 earlier geminis
31 alx400/volvos
25 presidents
Grand total of 164. Of that, 77 meet the euro3 targets. The question is, what is the current PVR of all WB routes entering the city centre? Also, what will the new PVR be when the changes come into force? Clearly if it is above 77 then NXWM have a problem.
Possible solutions:
Still a couple of 53 reg geminis at AG-could be swapped for presidents
Do AG need all of their geminis that they currently have? If not, transfer across.
Buy WB some new deckers-maybe some Volvos to go with the existing fleet. Or, buy AG new buses to replace geminis and transfer geminis across to WB
Taking in to account Merc transfers in to WB from BY, two further Gemini/President swaps with AG & withdrawals reported during September the quantities are actually as follows:
10 x B6LEs
41 x Mercs (a number of earlier non refurb Mercs may now have been withdrawn?)
14 x Darts
18 x 06 reg geminis
30 x earlier geminis (4517 & 4518 are now at WB ex AG, swapped for two further Presidents)
30 x Alx400/volvos
24 x Presidents
Total 167
AG doesn't now own any 53 reg Geminis, they are now all at WB
16 darts!
Yep!, forgot those two....
So 20 buses needed from somewhere... It would probably be easiest to just buy 20 new deckers and use them to launch the new services to get them going
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 09:01:13 PM
Crap-forgot the wright darts. These are nice buses too....
I went on 7084 on the 428 the other day and i have never been on a bus that shuck so much everything possible that could rattle did even the passengers were commenting and one said to the driver this is like a tin can and they replied saying this bus is just a bone shaker. When stationary the bus was fine no problems but when it got to any sort of speed was a nightmare as a passenger much prefer the b6le.
Quote from: Peter123 on September 24, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
So 20 buses needed from somewhere... It would probably be easiest to just buy 20 new deckers and use them to launch the new services to get them going
Do they necessarily need to be double deckers? Would the 80 & 89 not cope with full size single deckers? Not sure on loadings but they were operated by Mercs until recently when further Geminis arrived.
Not sure on the proposed routes of new services 83 & 129, but could they not also not utilize full size single deckers?
May be an additional batch of B7RLE's could service those routes, either ordered by NX or whether Volvo have sufficient stock built ones for a quick delivery
Will these new service even need double deckers im sure single deckers on some of them will provide enough capacity. A mad idea would be transfer the 20 omnilinks being debranded from the 404 back to West Brom and transfer the 404 service which will be the 4 service back to WB and operate it using mercs with the now 405/406 service transferring back to Walsall and the now 401/2 going to Pensnett and being interworked with driver changes at Dudley when the 402 is extended from Tipton to Dudley.
Quote from: thetruth on September 24, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Wolverhampton will have 21 deckers going spare when the Hybrids get delivered.
Emission zone is Jan 2013 still I assume?
Depends on current plans, the majority seem to think that the Spectras will be for the chop, but NX could still do with increasing the proportion of double deckers in the fleet, Pensnett at least could do with additional deckers for busier routes / peak workings
The other option is WN transfer out 21 Tridents to a Trident garage that also operates compliant Volvo's, the Volvo's in turn transfer in to WB
Euro 3 emission zone is still set for Jan 2013
Quote from: Ash on September 24, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Will these new service even need double deckers im sure single deckers on some of them will provide enough capacity. A mad idea would be transfer the 20 omnilinks being debranded from the 404 back to West Brom and transfer the 404 service which will be the 4 service back to WB and operate it using mercs with the now 405/406 service transferring back to Walsall and the now 401/2 going to Pensnett and being interworked with driver changes at Dudley when the 402 is extended from Tipton to Dudley.
But then the 404 (4,4H & 4M) passengers revert back to 13 & 14 year old Mercs, mostly non refurbished
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 24, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Will these new service even need double deckers im sure single deckers on some of them will provide enough capacity. A mad idea would be transfer the 20 omnilinks being debranded from the 404 back to West Brom and transfer the 404 service which will be the 4 service back to WB and operate it using mercs with the now 405/406 service transferring back to Walsall and the now 401/2 going to Pensnett and being interworked with driver changes at Dudley when the 402 is extended from Tipton to Dudley.
But then the 404 (4,4H & 4M) passengers revert back to 13 & 14 year old Mercs, mostly non refurbished
That is an issue but when the next batch of new single deckers are delivered the 404 could be then first in line, also im sure i read somewhere a while ago the 404 was only upgraded to omnilinks because at that time diamond upgrading their 404B/E/H service with new centro's so now they have gone back to the old darts. That could be untrue and maybe could of been in line for new single deckers anyway.
Quote from: Ash on September 24, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 24, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Will these new service even need double deckers im sure single deckers on some of them will provide enough capacity. A mad idea would be transfer the 20 omnilinks being debranded from the 404 back to West Brom and transfer the 404 service which will be the 4 service back to WB and operate it using mercs with the now 405/406 service transferring back to Walsall and the now 401/2 going to Pensnett and being interworked with driver changes at Dudley when the 402 is extended from Tipton to Dudley.
But then the 404 (4,4H & 4M) passengers revert back to 13 & 14 year old Mercs, mostly non refurbished
That is an issue but when the next batch of new single deckers are delivered the 404 could be then first in line, also im sure i read somewhere a while ago the 404 was only upgraded to omnilinks because at that time diamond upgrading their 404B/E/H service with new centro's so now they have gone back to the old darts. That could be untrue and maybe could of been in line for new single deckers anyway.
Is the 404 not a showcase route?
Yes but do showcase routes still exist or were they abandoned
If they can put Presidents on the Outer Circle temporarily, then possibly they could put Mercs on the 404 or as I suggsted a while ago, put Presidents on the 404, decrease the frequency and send the Omnilinks to WB so they have buses that meet the emission requirements
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:34:49 PM
If they can put Presidents on the Outer Circle temporarily, then possibly they could put Mercs on the 404 or as I suggsted a while ago, put Presidents on the 404, decrease the frequency and send the Omnilinks to WB so they have buses that meet the emission requirements
Why decrease the frequency? That would give Black Diamond the opportunity to pick up more passengers
Come to think of it, maybe a frequency reduction wouldn't be needed, maybe using double deckers might get more people onto the serviceas those Omnilinks do get packed out sometimes
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:34:49 PM
If they can put Presidents on the Outer Circle temporarily, then possibly they could put Mercs on the 404 or as I suggsted a while ago, put Presidents on the 404, decrease the frequency and send the Omnilinks to WB so they have buses that meet the emission requirements
There will be more than enough euro 3 compliant vehicles without crazy ideas needed, don't forget the 21 tridents spare from the Wolverhampton hybrids
There will be more than enough euro 3 compliant vehicles without crazy ideas needed, don't forget the 21 tridents spare from the Wolverhampton hybrids
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Spectras staying a while longer then......
Quote from: Winston on September 24, 2012, 11:51:13 PM
There will be more than enough euro 3 compliant vehicles without crazy ideas needed, don't forget the 21 tridents spare from the Wolverhampton hybrids
Spectras staying a while longer then......
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Just a guess I can see b6s and b10s gone first
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
What's going to happen on AG? Will they put the Geminis on the city routes and the Presidents on the Outer Circle?
Quote from: Stevo on September 25, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
What's going to happen on AG? Will they put the Geminis on the city routes and the Presidents on the Outer Circle?
Would have thought so for the meantime anyway
May be a big change around of routes to garages with the Sandwell review with WB taking on two of PBs current routes and PB having some of the new routes from Birmingham into Sandwell
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
May be a big change around of routes to garages with the Sandwell review with WB taking on two of PBs current routes and PB having some of the new routes from Birmingham into Sandwell
This could mean the 16 returning to WB garage and may be something like the 101 going to WB as drivers could change in Handsworth, just a thought.
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
................and PB having some of the new routes from Birmingham into Sandwell
Anyone know which routes these are?
rumour has it at the garage the 101 and 16 are coming to a new outstation garage on kelvin way or kenrick way in west bromwich for when the lease on oak road expires in the next couple of months, so perhaps more geminis for WB? but nothing official yet.
we are being route trained on the new sandwell review routes at the minute and there has been no mention of perry barr taking on any of the routes
16 & 101 sounds feasible.
Quote from: Ashley on September 09, 2012, 07:53:39 AM
1702 was on the 410 yesterday with full blinds, so is it at PE or WB?
1702 Still at West Bromwich today, on the 449
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8023760775
Quote from: wbdriver on September 25, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
rumour has it at the garage the 101 and 16 are coming to a new outstation garage on kelvin way or kenrick way in west bromwich for when the lease on oak road expires in the next couple of months, so perhaps more geminis for WB? but nothing official yet.
we are being route trained on the new sandwell review routes at the minute and there has been no mention of perry barr taking on any of the routes
Would that be to free up some room at PB prior to the North Birmingham Bus Review due to take place in Feb 2013? That's assuming the review resulted in a Pvr increase at PB of course
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
May be a big change around of routes to garages with the Sandwell review with WB taking on two of PBs current routes and PB having some of the new routes from Birmingham into Sandwell
I can see why PB may need to loose a couple of routes with it being at capacity & the forthcoming North B'ham bus review in Feb 2013, but I can't see any merit in PB receiving B'ham - Sandwell routes in exchange, unless I'm missing something?
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2012, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on September 25, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
rumour has it at the garage the 101 and 16 are coming to a new outstation garage on kelvin way or kenrick way in west bromwich for when the lease on oak road expires in the next couple of months, so perhaps more geminis for WB? but nothing official yet.
we are being route trained on the new sandwell review routes at the minute and there has been no mention of perry barr taking on any of the routes
Would that be to free up some room at PB prior to the North Birmingham Bus Review due to take place in Feb 2013? That's assuming the review resulted in a Pvr increase at PB of course
.
Would they really do it so far in advance?
I don't think WB has the capacity to take on all these new services as i thought the garage was already near enough full but if people are saying PB is full aswell then I'm not sure unless Pensnett takes on some of these new service such as the old 450 service that is being extended to Merry Hill.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 25, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2012, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on September 25, 2012, 08:17:18 PM
rumour has it at the garage the 101 and 16 are coming to a new outstation garage on kelvin way or kenrick way in west bromwich for when the lease on oak road expires in the next couple of months, so perhaps more geminis for WB? but nothing official yet.
we are being route trained on the new sandwell review routes at the minute and there has been no mention of perry barr taking on any of the routes
Would that be to free up some room at PB prior to the North Birmingham Bus Review due to take place in Feb 2013? That's assuming the review resulted in a Pvr increase at PB of course
.
Would they really do it so far in advance?
I was just making an assumption, but it is only 5 months away max, maybe NXWM have plans of their own to expand the North B'ham network, with PB full to capacity who knows???
It would take time to set up a new garage even if only an outstation of WB, source land/ acquire or agree a lease then obtain planning permission, buses / routes & staff would need to transfer, so plausible......
One thought that comes to my mind straight away. PB could give up the 94 to BC, then maybe we might see some decent looking buses on the route.
Sorry but couldn't resist it.
Quote from: Ash on September 25, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
I don't think WB has the capacity to take on all these new services as i thought the garage was already near enough full but if people are saying PB is full aswell then I'm not sure unless Pensnett takes on some of these new service such as the old 450 service that is being extended to Merry Hill.
Don't forgot that some existing WB services are being withdrawn and replaced by new services / existing services extended. I guess it largely depends on how much the new Pvr increases by
WA will need a handful of extra buses for the 4 / 4H & 4M,
WN for the X1,
Then whatever WB will require for their increased commitment and whether any routes / new routes will transfer in to PE
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 25, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
One thought that comes to my mind straight away. PB could give up the 94 to BC, then maybe we might see some decent looking buses on the route.
Sorry but couldn't resist it.
Maybe, but I would think that BC are also full to capacity now as well.
They lost 30 buses (Enviro's) with Lea Hall's closure but gained quite a few more, with the 54/55/90/97/14 etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 25, 2012, 09:45:47 PM
One thought that comes to my mind straight away. PB could give up the 94 to BC, then maybe we might see some decent looking buses on the route.
Sorry but couldn't resist it.
Could BC even accommodate any more buses/routes? Wasn't that was the reason the 94 went to PB when LH closed in the first place
I'm going off topic but was trying to be optimistic. ;D
Not Sure whether it was On Loan or Transferred but I spotted 4154 on BC school service 876 at Yardley Swan this morning and 4154 may have been spotted again on the 60 because once it has done that school service it then goes on to the 60
The only two west brom routes i could think of that have a chance of going to perry barr are 406 and 451 though they are surely better to stay at WB. Just a longshot!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 28, 2012, 03:05:14 PM
The only two west brom routes i could think of that have a chance of going to perry barr are 404 and 451 though they are surely better to stay at WB. Just a longshot!
404 isn't a West Bromwich route!
406 sorry!!
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 25, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
I don't think WB has the capacity to take on all these new services as i thought the garage was already near enough full but if people are saying PB is full aswell then I'm not sure unless Pensnett takes on some of these new service such as the old 450 service that is being extended to Merry Hill.
Don't forgot that some existing WB services are being withdrawn and replaced by new services / existing services extended. I guess it largely depends on how much the new Pvr increases by
WA will need a handful of extra buses for the 4 / 4H & 4M,
WN for the X1,
Then whatever WB will require for their increased commitment and whether any routes / new routes will transfer in to PE
only another 7 buses are needed fot the new network apparantly to start with, possibly increasing later
This thread makes it sound as if NX are trying to shoe-horn too many routes and buses into not enough garages...
Quote from: wbdriver on September 28, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 25, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
I don't think WB has the capacity to take on all these new services as i thought the garage was already near enough full but if people are saying PB is full aswell then I'm not sure unless Pensnett takes on some of these new service such as the old 450 service that is being extended to Merry Hill.
Don't forgot that some existing WB services are being withdrawn and replaced by new services / existing services extended. I guess it largely depends on how much the new Pvr increases by
WA will need a handful of extra buses for the 4 / 4H & 4M,
WN for the X1,
Then whatever WB will require for their increased commitment and whether any routes / new routes will transfer in to PE
only another 7 buses are needed fot the new network apparantly to start with, possibly increasing later
Will the extra's be pulled out of reserve in the interim?
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
Quote from: Winston on September 28, 2012, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on September 28, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 25, 2012, 09:31:06 PM
I don't think WB has the capacity to take on all these new services as i thought the garage was already near enough full but if people are saying PB is full aswell then I'm not sure unless Pensnett takes on some of these new service such as the old 450 service that is being extended to Merry Hill.
Don't forgot that some existing WB services are being withdrawn and replaced by new services / existing services extended. I guess it largely depends on how much the new Pvr increases by
WA will need a handful of extra buses for the 4 / 4H & 4M,
WN for the X1,
Then whatever WB will require for their increased commitment and whether any routes / new routes will transfer in to PE
only another 7 buses are needed fot the new network apparantly to start with, possibly increasing later
Will the extra's be pulled out of reserve in the interim?
WN are to recieve 1688 and 2153 as extra.
From what ive read on previous posts, spectras have got another year left in them.
So 2153 is going back to wolverhampton, for the x1 maybe ?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 29, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
So where will the spectra go then. So will they get rid of some of the transbus tridents then
Bearing in mind there is no mention of new buses to WN yet.
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 29, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
So where will the spectra go then. So will they get rid of some of the transbus tridents then
Bearing in mind there is no mention of new buses to WN yet.
apart from 12 new hybrids and 9 transfers, I can't see that wn will receive any more new buses next year, maybe the year later.
WN are to recieve 1688 and 2153 as extra.
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Rob,
1688 is already at WN, will 2153 now be acquired & painted? I'm assuming it will be for the X1
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 29, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
So where will the spectra go then. So will they get rid of some of the transbus tridents then
Bearing in mind there is no mention of new buses to WN yet.
Rob,
WN are due 21 ADL Enviro 400H due in Jan 2013 for route 1, it has been confirmed for a while
Quote from: thetruth on September 29, 2012, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 29, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
WN are to recieve 1688 and 2153 as extra.
Rob,
1688 is already at WN, will 2153 now be acquired & painted? I'm assuming it will be for the X1
Presumably Rob means 1668 from WB?
Possibly, but wont WB be needing extra buses for the Pvr increase themselves
Quote from: Winston on September 29, 2012, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: thetruth on September 29, 2012, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 29, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
WN are to recieve 1688 and 2153 as extra.
Rob,
1688 is already at WN, will 2153 now be acquired & painted? I'm assuming it will be for the X1
Yes sorry 1668, not sure about 2153 being painted.
Presumably Rob means 1668 from WB?
Possibly, but wont WB be needing extra buses for the Pvr increase themselves
Quote from: Winston on September 29, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 29, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
So where will the spectra go then. So will they get rid of some of the transbus tridents then
Bearing in mind there is no mention of new buses to WN yet.
Rob,
WN are due 21 ADL Enviro 400H due in Jan 2013 for route 1, it has been confirmed for a while
Thanks for confirmation as no-one really knows for definate that the order has gone through for the deckers yet.
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 30, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: Winston on September 29, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 29, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on September 29, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: Ashley on September 24, 2012, 11:54:02 PM
I thought the hybrids were replacing the Spectras
Spectras going knowhere.
So where will the spectra go then. So will they get rid of some of the transbus tridents then
Bearing in mind there is no mention of new buses to WN yet.
Rob,
WN are due 21 ADL Enviro 400H due in Jan 2013 for route 1, it has been confirmed for a while
Thanks for confirmation as no-one really knows for definate that the order has gone through for the deckers yet.
It was announced on the NXWM website in March 2012, see weblink:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/more-green-hybrid-buses-on-way-to-west-midlands/
September fleet movements now on the front page of the main site
WB has had a net increase of 3 in the allocation and Walsall 1, so that looks like 4 of the extra buses needed for the Sandwell changes
Not suprised that 584 has gone to Walsall from Coventry and not been withdrawn as its one of the best b6le's i have been on due to it being refurbished and also seems quite powerful for a b6le.
To be fair, 584 would seem a good preservation candidate as it has had an intersting life starting out in London and seems in good nick.
Quote from: thetruth on October 01, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
It must have been at almost every B6LE garage now.
I think it has been to every one,
Coventry
West Brom
Pensnett
I think it has been to Birmingham Central (very short stay)
Acocks Green
and now Walsall.
Quote from: Ash on October 01, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
Not suprised that 584 has gone to Walsall from Coventry and not been withdrawn as its one of the best b6le's i have been on due to it being refurbished and also seems quite powerful for a b6le.
I agree Ash I rode on 584 on the 30 from Solihull when it was at Acocks Green :)
I've got a sound recording on my phone of 584 on the 222. I also agree it's one of the better ones as well as more intersting given its history
1463 is now at Walsall, looks like they are going to tidy it up externally before using it
2153 now back at WN, seen on route 2 this afternoon.
Is it 2153 and an 0405N transferring to WN for the X1?
Do NXWM have this bus permanently now?
It sticks out because its still painted in white, I hope it gets repainted properly soon.
What's happening with 584? Is it on loan to WB for a while or have Walsall lost it already?
I believe WB are to recieve a few b6le's off Walsall and 584 is one of them.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 12, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
Yes i think it is 2153 and 1668 that have transfered to WN for the X1. I also saw 2153 back at WN on route 2 in the bus station. I agree that it should be repainted
2153 is here to cover for warranty work on the 2060-2070 batch
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 12, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
2153 now back at WN, seen on route 2 this afternoon.
Is it 2153 and an 0405N transferring to WN for the X1?
Do NXWM have this bus permanently now?
It sticks out because its still painted in white, I hope it gets repainted properly soon.
No 2153 is owned by Volvo UK all we do is maintain it.
Quote from: thetruth on October 15, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
And 566.
If those 3 have now moved to WB, I would have thought that it's safe to assume that WA have received so/all of the Tridents from YW & YW have received further Presidents from BC/WB
4330 at WA now, seen on 89 today.
4332 also at walsall now. i saw it in wolverhampton bus station on the 40 this evening about 5 o'clock
4096 and 4097 both at YW on the 18 today.
Quote from: thetruth on October 15, 2012, 07:34:42 PM
I was impressed that the 4 B6LEs that have just moved have blinds fitted already. Quick by WB standards.
they might have arrived sunday or early monday morning - plenty of b6 blinds about now early examples have been withdrawn. but these might not last long if new enviro buses come along if the rumour is true.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
4332 also at walsall now. i saw it in wolverhampton bus station on the 40 this evening about 5 o'clock
I'll keep an eye on every BC Route just in case Trident's have also moved to BC ;)
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
Im glad 1463 returned to Walsall since leaving in April 2010 only being allocated to the 377 and 4332 returned.
Are any extra scania`s required for 404 service.
if 534/564/566 have gone to WB leaving B6 Allocation down to 7
4084 was still at WB yesterday (15th) see on the 451
4329 - 4332 are all now at Walsall
Only WA B6's I saw yesterdsay were 517, 547,648 and 658
Quote from: Rob H on October 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
4143 was out at YW today but I think 4324 has gone
Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rob H on October 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
4143 was out at YW today but I think 4324 has gone
Thanks trident4370 ;) I'll keep looking out for 4324 :)
Quote from: Rob H on October 16, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rob H on October 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
4143 was out at YW today but I think 4324 has gone
Thanks trident4370 ;) I'll keep looking out for 4324 :)
No worries, it could very well be at YW avoiding me but I personally think it has gone, seems like ages since I last saw it :P
I think someone mentioned on here that 1668 was going to Wolverhampton but its still at West Brom on the 405 today even though I had not seen the bus for a few weeks so thought it already transferred.
Quote from: Ash on October 17, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
I think someone mentioned on here that 1668 was going to Wolverhampton but its still at West Brom on the 405 today even though I had not seen the bus for a few weeks so thought it already transferred.
Its one of the last transfers of the month.
Ok thanks for the information Rob, i guess with WB garage trying to get their 451 branded preisdents repainted they need the mercs to replace them short term on the 451.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 17, 2012, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: Rob H on October 16, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rob H on October 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
4143 was out at YW today but I think 4324 has gone
Thanks trident4370 ;) I'll keep looking out for 4324 :)
No worries, it could very well be at YW avoiding me but I personally think it has gone, seems like ages since I last saw it :P
4324 is still at YW seen it this morning on the 2
Quote from: Rob H on October 19, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 17, 2012, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: Rob H on October 16, 2012, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: Rob H on October 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Can anybody tell me if 4143 & 4324 are still at YW or have they moved to BC because I haven't seen them around lately?
4143 was out at YW today but I think 4324 has gone
Thanks trident4370 ;) I'll keep looking out for 4324 :)
No worries, it could very well be at YW avoiding me but I personally think it has gone, seems like ages since I last saw it :P
4324 is still at YW seen it this morning on the 2
haha yeah I saw it this evening on the 3, just as I was going to type it on here I noticed you'd beat me to it ;) some more tridents have got to have gone by now though as we must have about 7 plaxtons, and I believe this sunday a load more are arriving.
Quote from: thetruth on October 19, 2012, 11:03:23 PM
Anyone seen 4635-40 recently? Still branded or not before their apparent transfer to WB?
Yes, I saw one of either 4637 or 4638, my memory fails me, on the 11C this week and the branding had been removed. You could see the outline if the previous grey 11 branding underneath.
4095 now at YW seen it on the 49E in Solihull
4181 & 4192 now at BC seen 4181 on the 60 & 4192 on the 900 in my area Sheldon
a couple of the 46xx buses at WB now, possibly all. one was on the 74.
4636 on the Dudley Road routes
Im shocked to see that 4053 has gone to YW and still in toothpaste livery, i thought this one would stay at WB and be repainted and possibly rebranded into the new 5 branding but guess they will want to brand all the buses ready for the new 5 service so buses already in the NXWM livery will have more chance of staying as branding could be applied straight away.
I hope 4053 makes it onto the 3 before the emissions crap kicks in :P
4053 always stands out to me due to the "tv" cctv screen it has on the upper and did have on the lower deck. I think another former 451 branded president has it installed downstairs now, cant remember which one though.
4053 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4053.html
4084 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4084.html
4093 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4093.html
4095 at YW (3) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4095.html
This was on the 49 in the morning as reported on the other subject
4098 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4098.html
4615 no debranded http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4615.html
4636 at WB (82) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4636.html
4639 at WB (128) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4639.html
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
4053 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4053.html
4084 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4084.html
4093 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4093.html
4095 at YW (3) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4095.html
This was on the 49 in the morning as reported on the other subject
4098 at YW (18) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4098.html
4615 no debranded http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4615.html
4636 at WB (82) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4636.html
4639 at WB (128) http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4639.html
wow... 4095 looks fantastic!
Does 4053 still roar all the time?
Quote from: Ash on October 22, 2012, 10:16:45 PM
Im shocked to see that 4053 has gone to YW and still in toothpaste livery, i thought this one would stay at WB and be repainted and possibly rebranded into the new 5 branding but guess they will want to brand all the buses ready for the new 5 service so buses already in the NXWM livery will have more chance of staying as branding could be applied straight away.
It looks as though some of the Oct transfers previously quoted have been changed at the last minute
Quote from: thetruth on October 23, 2012, 12:36:55 AM
Unless 4053 is covering for an injured 4092. Just speculating.
What happened to 4092 then?
Quote from: thetruth on October 23, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Dunno, but 4053 is back at WB today, on the 75.
Could have also have been sent by mistake I guess?
4640 on the 87 today.
4635 on the 31a so still at AG,
Quote from: thetruth on October 23, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Dunno, but 4053 is back at WB today, on the 75.
Looks like my photo of it on the 18 might qualify as an entry in the 'rarest working' topic
The WB driver member on here said he heard someone in the garage quoting to park up aload of presidents out the front, looking at this they parked 4053 at the front and was a mistake and i was shocked yesterday thinking why has a toothpaste livery president been sent to YW.
4061 now at AG seen it on the 966 in Solihull
4201 now at BC seen it on the 60 or 900 in Sheldon
Quote from: Ash on October 23, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
The WB driver member on here said he heard someone in the garage quoting to park up aload of presidents out the front, looking at this they parked 4053 at the front and was a mistake and i was shocked yesterday thinking why has a toothpaste livery president been sent to YW.
thank you for mentioning me 8)
i think they meant NXWM livery buses (4090-99 or whatever was left) because there's none left now at the garage of the top of my head, apart from the newly repainted 4055 and 4087.
Quote from: thetruth on October 24, 2012, 08:40:32 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on October 24, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 23, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
The WB driver member on here said he heard someone in the garage quoting to park up aload of presidents out the front, looking at this they parked 4053 at the front and was a mistake and i was shocked yesterday thinking why has a toothpaste livery president been sent to YW.
thank you for mentioning me 8)
i think they meant NXWM livery buses (4090-99 or whatever was left) because there's none left now at the garage of the top of my head, apart from the newly repainted 4055 and 4087.
4092 was still at the parking area today.
yep i forgot about 4092, as you said earlier, doing dodo impressions. i love that phrase.
4190 now at BC seen it on the 957 at Moor Street
4637 & 4641 now at WB seen 4637 on the 127 or 128 at Five Ways and 4641 on the 82/87 at Moor Street
582 delivered to pensnett with front half refurbed
Quote from: richie on October 25, 2012, 07:54:42 PM
582 delivered to pensnett with front half refurbed
Not more B6LE's......
I wondered why there hasnt been many b6le's in Coventry over the last couple of days only one i have seen is 586 and mercs are now on the 3/3A. There doesnt seem many passengers when i have saw the 3/3A and to me doesnt seem to need a large capacity bus like a merc maybe if the alx200 darts ever get withdrawn from WB may be transferring a few over to Coventry could be a good move.
582 - Coventrys only B6 that didn't sound rough as a badgers nadgers. Whys it gone to PE?
Quote from: Ashley on October 25, 2012, 11:06:41 PM
582 - Coventrys only B6 that didn't sound rough as a badgers nadgers. Whys it gone to PE?
Probably because Coventry have lost the 801 route so have less of a need for B6s
4159 now at BC seen it on the 90 at Coleshill Parkway Rail Station this morning
Well thats 586 660 and 662 gone then
1668 not transfering from WB to WN.
706 reserve to WN, in service now.
Quote from: rob@mdc on October 27, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
706 reserve to WN, in service now.
Probably to release another Merc or B7 for the X1, which I am really stuggiling to see the point of, my guess is that its sort of an attempt to keep a check on The Green Buses Wolverhampton to Dudley services as anyone who ever does get on the 558 or 125 is surely someone who would have travelled on the 1 or 126 before
Quote from: wilmotm on October 27, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on October 27, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
706 reserve to WN, in service now.
Probably to release another Merc or B7 for the X1, which I am really stuggiling to see the point of, my guess is that its sort of an attempt to keep a check on The Green Buses Wolverhampton to Dudley services as anyone who ever does get on the 558 or 125 is surely someone who would have travelled on the 1 or 126 before
It acctually because all depots are complaning about a shortage of vehicles so 706 has come out of storage rather than transfer one.
582 at Pensnett
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
mercs and b6 have new blinds in now to say Tipton Rail Station, etc and the others i can't think of, staying in until the Enviros arrive.
Toothpaste B10L with Digi Blinds working at Walsall on the 38 today, possibly a 148x. Anybody got any info?
662 still at NX Coventry seen on the 3 today.
There were quite a few B6LEs in West Brom yesterday, 566 is one, most seem to have blinds that say 'West Bromwich' but thats all I can tell you for now. 4637 and 4641 also in service
4032 now at AG seen it on the 11A at Bearwood this morning
4104 on the 49 yesterday. The Presidents seem to be moving to YW but rather slower than predicted.
Quote from: thetruth on October 19, 2012, 11:03:23 PM
Anyone seen 4635-40 recently? Still branded or not before their apparent transfer to WB?
4635 is still at AG seen it on the 31 in Solihull Town Centre this morning
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 31, 2012, 07:37:44 PM
4104 on the 49 yesterday. The Presidents seem to be moving to YW but rather slower than predicted.
Does anyone know how many Presidents are left at BC and when they're due to finally move? 4106 and 4122 on the 24 today, have seen others still at BC inc 4107 in the last couple of days
Quote from: GB143 on November 03, 2012, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 31, 2012, 07:37:44 PM
4104 on the 49 yesterday. The Presidents seem to be moving to YW but rather slower than predicted.
Does anyone know how many Presidents are left at BC and when they're due to finally move? 4106 and 4122 on the 24 today, have seen others still at BC inc 4107 in the last couple of days
4056 is still at BC seen it on the 60 the other day
Quote from: Rob H on November 03, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: GB143 on November 03, 2012, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 31, 2012, 07:37:44 PM
4104 on the 49 yesterday. The Presidents seem to be moving to YW but rather slower than predicted.
Does anyone know how many Presidents are left at BC and when they're due to finally move? 4106 and 4122 on the 24 today, have seen others still at BC inc 4107 in the last couple of days
4056 is still at BC seen it on the 60 the other day
4109 also still at BC, on the 45.
Saw 4061 on the 966 last night
4155 & 4365 now at BC seen 4155 on the 60 at Yardley Swan and seen 4365 on the 900E at Hay Mills this morning
I have put the full list of October changes on the front page
4160 now at BC seen on the 59 at Moor Street
Quote from: Rob H on November 07, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
4160 now at BC seen on the 59 at Moor Street
4183 also, on the 957
4160 is the first one to go from YW to BC not in NX livery!
4092 in service today seen in West Bromwich bus station is this bus to remain with WB while the presidents for the 5 service are getting refurbished and repainted.
BC still clinging onto 4107, on the 61 this evening.
YW had 4118 on the 49 today
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
4160 is the first one to go from YW to BC not in NX livery!
4161 is the second, on the X64 this evening.
4058 now at YW seen on the 49 in Solihull Town Centre
4057 also on the 49 this morning. Are BC's remaining Presidents on the24? The last one I have seen on any other route was 4106 on the 59 on monday morning.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 08, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
4057 also on the 49 this morning. Are BC's remaining Presidents on the24? The last one I have seen on any other route was 4106 on the 59 on monday morning.
One was on the 60 this morning, I think it was 4107
4116 and 4121 both on Bristol Rd today
4143 also on Bristol Rd
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 08, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
4116 and 4121 both on Bristol Rd today
4143 also on Bristol Rd
4121 still at BC today, on the 957
4189 and 3218 were on YW routes yesterday
sorry i meant 4218
4191 now at BC out on the Coventry Road today
4122 on Colmore Row a shade after 0800 today. Didn't give it a second thought other than it's now the highest numbered Plaxident in these parts.
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Saw 1668 on the 410 today and it is still displaying a blank top blind!
Quote from: Stuharris63 on November 14, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Saw 1668 on the 410 today and it is still displaying a blank top blind!
if you look at tonys picture of 1668 it does have full blinds. it might have been stuck as they sometime do.
Quote from: wbdriver on November 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris63 on November 14, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Saw 1668 on the 410 today and it is still displaying a blank top blind!
if you look at tonys picture of 1668 it does have full blinds. it might have been stuck as they sometime do.
It is all uppercase so must be an old blind so will be in a strange order and may not have all places on it. I hope it wasn't on the 410!
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on November 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris63 on November 14, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Saw 1668 on the 410 today and it is still displaying a blank top blind!
if you look at tonys picture of 1668 it does have full blinds. it might have been stuck as they sometime do.
It is all uppercase so must be an old blind so will be in a strange order and may not have all places on it. I hope it wasn't on the 410!
but even if it was an old blind it should still have wednesbury and west bromwich somewhere on it
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on November 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris63 on November 14, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 27, 2012, 10:49:36 PM
As seen in Tony's photos 1668 has a blank destination display on the 402 although has WB blinds fitted and 1667 has had its upper destination blind taken out whilst on the 401. Is this just co-incidence or may be transferring or awaiting some new blinds which i guess the mercs dont need for the sandwell review, does anyone know if the b6le's are to recieve new destination blinds for the new services?
Saw 1668 on the 410 today and it is still displaying a blank top blind!
if you look at tonys picture of 1668 it does have full blinds. it might have been stuck as they sometime do.
It is all uppercase so must be an old blind so will be in a strange order and may not have all places on it. I hope it wasn't on the 410!
Sorry can't get used to these new routes, should have been 40!
4218 now at Birmingham Central
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8194016480
4107/4116/4119 now at YW
4107 & 4119 were out on the 49
4116 was out on the 76
I travelled on 4106 on the 18 today.
4147 is still at YW. It was on the 6 today.
4105 still hanging on at BC by a thread. On 45/47 20/11/12
4146/7 still at YW
Also 4086 seems reluctant to leave BC, on Bristol Rd services 22/11/12
4092 is still at WB rode on it on the 75 from West Brom to Birmingham this morning
4180 now at BC out on the 60 today
I've seen a fleetlist on the internet for NXWm and it says 4188 is at Coventry and 7125 is at Acocks Green?
I believe that 7123/5/6 and 7115 were all due to go to Acocks Green along with 7127/8/9. They were allocated there but never used and went into reserve. Dont know about 4188 at Coventry.
4189 now at BC out on the 59 today
Quote from: Gareth on November 26, 2012, 10:55:55 AM
I believe that 7123/5/6 and 7115 were all due to go to Acocks Green along with 7127/8/9. They were allocated there but never used and went into reserve. Dont know about 4188 at Coventry.
7115 & 7123 at least did make it to AG & a start was made on preparing them for service i.e. having LED's fitted, but they never entered service & were promptly returned to reserve.
Tony managed to get a photo of 7115 in AG
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/7115.html
Quote from: Ashley on November 26, 2012, 09:07:58 AM
I've seen a fleetlist on the internet for NXWm and it says 4188 is at Coventry and 7125 is at Acocks Green?
It is most likely an error on the fleetlist.
It is highly unlikely 4188 would transfer to Coventry especially as it is in NXWM colours.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 26, 2012, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: Ashley on November 26, 2012, 09:07:58 AM
I've seen a fleetlist on the internet for NXWm and it says 4188 is at Coventry and 7125 is at Acocks Green?
It is most likely an error on the fleetlist.
It is highly unlikely 4188 would transfer to Coventry especially as it is in NXWM colours.
Was 4188 not one of the NXWM Tridents temporarily allocated to CV for the Olympic work?
It was on the 24 (the Birmingham one, don't even know if there's a Coventry one) a couple of days ago.
4056 on the 76 today.
Probably just a few errors
4105, one of the very last of the BC stragglers has made it to YW, on the 18 26/11/12
Not sure if 4086 has gone yet...
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 27, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
4105, one of the very last of the BC stragglers has made it to YW, on the 18 26/11/12
Not sure if 4086 has gone yet...
Would be good for 4086 to return to WB and send 4092 instead to YW and brand 4086 for the 5 service as its just been repainted not sure if its had a refurb though. Unless there was a reason why 4086 went from WB to BC in the first place as a swap.
4367 now at BC seen on the 957 at Yardley Swan this morning
Quote from: Ash on November 27, 2012, 01:46:05 AM
Would be good for 4086 to return to WB and send 4092 instead to YW and brand 4086 for the 5 service as its just been repainted not sure if its had a refurb though. Unless there was a reason why 4086 went from WB to BC in the first place as a swap.
I don't think it was refurbished at the same time as repaint, it still has the dark blue seating. 4086 was repainted in the lighter shade of red, than the current 5 branded President's but it would be good to see it branded as well, it would be the oddball at WB. It will more than likely go to Yardley Wood though, if not already. 4092 will likely go as well when the WB President's are all refurbished and branded for the 5.
I wonder if some President's at WB that were not branded for the 451 will receive 5 branding at refurb, like 4048, 4053 and 4113.
4121 now at YW seen on the 49 in Solihull this morning
Saw a Plaxton on the 61 yesterday, thought to myself 4086 is still hanging on, but was shocked when it turned out to be 4041. So it looks like a couple have managed to stay at BC till December :)
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on December 01, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
Saw a Plaxton on the 61 yesterday, thought to myself 4086 is still hanging on, but was shocked when it turned out to be 4041. So it looks like a couple have managed to stay at BC till December :)
It looks like 4041 is the last President left at Central. By my records, all others have now left.
Also, I have 4147 and 4181 still at Yardley Wood. 4181 is not on that list of transfers, but has been spotted at Central earlier in this thread.
Quote from: John on December 04, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on December 01, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
Saw a Plaxton on the 61 yesterday, thought to myself 4086 is still hanging on, but was shocked when it turned out to be 4041. So it looks like a couple have managed to stay at BC till December :)
It looks like 4041 is the last President left at Central. By my records, all others have now left.
Also, I have 4147 and 4181 still at Yardley Wood. 4181 is not on that list of transfers, but has been spotted at Central earlier in this thread.
4147 is still at YW, I missed 4181 off the October changes. It is at Central.
Looks like a chain is waiting to still happen 4041 BC-AG; 4635 AG-WB; 4092 WB-YW; 4147 YW-BC
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2012, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: John on December 04, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on December 01, 2012, 01:50:14 PM
Saw a Plaxton on the 61 yesterday, thought to myself 4086 is still hanging on, but was shocked when it turned out to be 4041. So it looks like a couple have managed to stay at BC till December :)
It looks like 4041 is the last President left at Central. By my records, all others have now left.
Also, I have 4147 and 4181 still at Yardley Wood. 4181 is not on that list of transfers, but has been spotted at Central earlier in this thread.
I wonder if it's 4092 holding up the process
4147 is still at YW, I missed 4181 off the October changes. It is at Central.
Looks like a chain is waiting to still happen 4041 BC-AG; 4635 AG-WB; 4092 WB-YW; 4147 YW-BC
4041 was on the X64 yesterday evening (4/12/12)
1690 1691 1692 from WN to training school
277,281,292,293,295,296,299 withdrawn
706,707 withdrawn
12 b6's in from BC and PN
So Wolverhampton will be seeing b6s then, lovely....
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 23, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
1690 1691 1692 from WN to training school
277,281,292,293,295,296,299 withdrawn
706,707 withdrawn
12 b6's in from BC and PN
I assume that B6's are able to fit round all the routes that are Solo operated then? I'm sure this has been checked!?
Quote from: D10 on December 23, 2012, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 23, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
1690 1691 1692 from WN to training school
277,281,292,293,295,296,299 withdrawn
706,707 withdrawn
12 b6's in from BC and PN
I assume that B6's are able to fit round all the routes that are Solo operated then? I'm sure this has been checked!?
The steering lock on some b6s are quite poor, so I doubt they been checked to fit, that being said you can theoretically get them anywhere you can get a solo owing to the fact they are conventional buses i.e. they have the wheels behind the driver rather than in front.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
We don't want the B6LE in Wolverhampton!
This is likely to mean that the Excels all get withdrawn and replaced by more of these 'things'.
Are the 7 Solos at PB also being replaced?
And, where has this information come from?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 23, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
We don't want the B6LE in Wolverhampton!
This is likely to mean that the Excels all get withdrawn and replaced by more of these 'things'.
Are the 7 Solos at PB also being replaced?
And, where has this information come from?
It has come from the person who started this thread - and he should know!
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 23, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
We don't want the B6LE in Wolverhampton!
My thoughts exactly. :-\
I'd rather have the Solos and Excels than them.
I'm really not a fan of the B6s and don't get me started on the legroom of the seats near the back. >:(
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 23, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
1690 1691 1692 from WN to training school
277,281,292,293,295,296,299 withdrawn
706,707 withdrawn
12 b6's in from BC and PN
The only thing I don't get is why V-reg Mercs with wheelchair ramps are going in to the training fleet, why not keep those 3 in service and withdraw another 3 Excels, or transfer those 3 to Pensnett/West Bromwich and use 3 x 15--/early 16-- series non Diptac compliant TWM liveried Mercs.
Or better still take 3 from reserve. I don't see the point of retaining just 5 x Excels.
WN could have used it as an opportunity to reduce the number of vehicle types allocated by one
The remaining Excels were refurbished a couple of years back which could have something to do with it, but B6LE's at WN. Didn't see that coming but yay they'll be on one of my local routes
Quote from: Ashley on December 24, 2012, 04:41:10 AM
The remaining Excels were refurbished a couple of years back which could have something to do with it, but B6LE's at WN. Didn't see that coming but yay they'll be on one of my local routes
The Excels were only repainted / re-trimmed as far as I'm aware,
Thats what I meant just a re trim and repaint, 711s interior was untouched, 684 they put a few new seats in, didnt stop them all rattling like mad, B6s aren't as bad for rattles, no the legroom isn't great and no they're not great but if they can last not far off a lifetime of negotiating the 222 then WN routes for a year or so should be fairly easy work
Quote from: Ashley on December 26, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
Thats what I meant just a re trim and repaint, 711s interior was untouched, 684 they put a few new seats in, didnt stop them all rattling like mad, B6s aren't as bad for rattles, no the legroom isn't great and no they're not great but if they can last not far off a lifetime of negotiating the 222 then WN routes for a year or so should be fairly easy work
Agreed the 222 is a very very tough route for all sorts of reasons and like you say some of the B6's have practically been on the 222 daily for nearly 16 years would like to see the new Enviros coming anywhere near that so in my opinion WN should be rejoicing to get them over Excels and Solo's and I'm an Optate fan
They're just buses!
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2012, 08:53:24 PM
4147 is still at YW, I missed 4181 off the October changes. It is at Central.
Looks like a chain is waiting to still happen 4041 BC-AG; 4635 AG-WB; 4092 WB-YW; 4147 YW-BC
I take it 4041 is still at BC as 4147 is still at YW today on the 35.
When is 4041 being transferred, because I really need to get a picture of it ?
4147 Didnt last long on the 35 though, I had it home right before it was taken off with a fault :P
4041 will be transferred when they are ready to transfer the rest of the buses in the chain! (Although I haven't seen it for ages now at BC or any depot)
Ill probably find it on the 61/63 45/47 hopefully
Quote from: NathanJC on January 01, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
Ill probably find it on the 61/63 45/47 hopefully
Once the min Euro 3 emission zone comes in to force in the City Centre, 4041 can't be used on any of BC's routes, so whether the other vehicle movements are ready to take place or not they may as well transfer it to AG, otherwise it will just sit inside BC unable to be used
Quote from: Winston on January 01, 2013, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on January 01, 2013, 12:23:45 PM
Ill probably find it on the 61/63 45/47 hopefully
Once the min Euro 3 emission zone comes in to force in the City Centre, 4041 can't be used on any of BC's routes, so whether the other vehicle movements are ready to take place or not they may as well transfer it to AG, otherwise it will just sit inside BC unable to be used
Do you know when that emission comes into force ?
sunday 6th january
Quote from: SMK on December 23, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 23, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
We don't want the B6LE in Wolverhampton!
My thoughts exactly. :-\
I'd rather have the Solos and Excels than them.
I'm really not a fan of the B6s and don't get me started on the legroom of the seats near the back. >:(
Get used to the ding ding ding and the breakdowns typical like I have said once the emission zone kicks in the crap Wolves will like West brom will become an old buses home can't see the hybrids going there and would not be suprised if some of the newer stuff they have goes too to be replaced with bordsleys junk
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: SMK on December 23, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 23, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
We don't want the B6LE in Wolverhampton!
My thoughts exactly. :-\
I'd rather have the Solos and Excels than them.
I'm really not a fan of the B6s and don't get me started on the legroom of the seats near the back. >:(
Get used to the ding ding ding and the breakdowns typical like I have said once the emission zone kicks in the crap Wolves will like West brom will become an old buses home can't see the hybrids going there and would not be suprised if some of the newer stuff they have goes too to be replaced with bordsleys junk
Bordesley has the most modern fleet in the company, and must be pretty well maintained as they are always lending buses to BC, PB & YW!
Looks like 4041 has made it to Acocks Green.Seen at 13:30 today on the 11A
Is the 11A/C a B7 decker route now was at my Grandads and lives on the circle and all I saw was them. Was once geminis and branded too surely a route as important as the 11A/C should have new or newer buses.
Quote from: Discodave on January 02, 2013, 02:39:55 PM
Is the 11A/C a B7 decker route now was at my Grandads and lives on the circle and all I saw was them. Was once geminis and branded too surely a route as important as the 11A/C should have new or newer buses.
Think you're a bit confused.
The majority of the B7TL double deckers have Wright Eclipse Gemini bodywork.
The 11A/C is now almost fully operated by B7TL President.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 02, 2013, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Discodave on January 02, 2013, 02:39:55 PM
Is the 11A/C a B7 Decker route now was at my Grandads and lives on the circle and all I saw was them. Was once Geminis and branded too surely a route as important as the 11A/C should have new or newer buses.
Think you're a bit confused.
The majority of the B7TL double Decker's have Wright Eclipse Gemini bodywork.
The 11A/C is now almost fully operated by B7TL President.
Knew it was a Volvo and a B7 bit could not remember the bodywork style last time I drove one was on the 51 (shows how long ago) are they still sluggish as they struggled to move and could do 38-40 mph flat out was it because of fuel economy
639 640 from BC now at WN. Should be on the road next week. 2 more being collected Friday.
Transfers known are to WN
632, 633, 634, 638, 639, 640 from BC
626 from West Brom
598, 600, 601, 620 from PN
Quote from: rob@mdc on January 03, 2013, 08:43:37 PM
Transfers known are to WN
598, 600, 601, 620 from PN
Looks as though PN will keep the oldest P-reg B6 other than 581/2
December transfers now on the main home page
Are Perry Barr getting any B6 to replace Optare solos
So if some of WB b6le's are going to Wolverhampton does that mean all the alx200 darts will stay at WB or just some.
Are 669 673 and 677 for the chop then?
Was there a 666? I swore I drove 665 at WA. again may be confused with another number
4092 now at YW out on the 76 this morning seen at QE Hospital
Quote from: Discodave on January 04, 2013, 02:52:20 AM
Was there a 666? I swore I drove 665 at WA. again may be confused with another number
There was a 666 but spent its whole life at West Bromwich, the bus was also previously numbered 166 for a while. it may have been a loan at Walsall at one time though. There used to be a low floor volvo N101HGO which spent most of its time on the 999 to the Manor Hospital but im sure this used to have the fleet number 100 or 101 or something like that.
yes it was blue as fleet number 100 also had a powered ramp great did not have to get out of cab
Here is 666 withdrawn at Miller Street. Not the best quality though.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/discogareth/5560175026/
saw 634 heading towards park lane around 1.40pm. how many b6 are wn expecting in total? if they replacing the solos, will they transfer more to enable withdrawal of the excels
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 04, 2013, 04:18:09 PM
they are withdrawing 706 and 707 so i guess they'll keep 684,687,693,708,711. Saw 296 and 281 still in service today.
Will the digi-blinds from 281 go to another bus?
4147 on the97A this evening, only 4092 to move now.
4092 is now at YW from WB.
If the idea is to reduce the number of vehicle types then another five B6LE's would ideally go to WN, but as with NXWM logic, we'll see
Park Lane's Latest Cast Off Arrivals This Time Whilst Birmingham Central Get Brand New Enviro 200's Wolves Get Their Clapped Out Volvo B6LE 634/39/40 Wright Crusaders. I Pursume More To Come to Replace Remaining Excell's and Maybe Merc's Or Solo's A Notice Has Been Put Out Advising Of Route Alterations To The 62/62A And Drivers To Be Typed On Volvo B6. I Persume Therefore They Are To Be Used On These Routes. As These Could Also Be Used On The 28 And With One Recent Solo Accident Victim Another In Long Term Rehab And another Lying In Bits In The Yard Could This Be The End Of Solo Operation In Wolverhampton??
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8350721045/in/photostream/?reuploaded=1
Quote from: Ashley on January 06, 2013, 12:44:06 AM
If the idea is to reduce the number of vehicle types then another five B6LE's would ideally go to WN, but as with NXWM logic, we'll see
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1242.msg24277#msg24277
Quote from: 4006 on January 06, 2013, 12:59:33 AM
Park Lane's Latest Cast Off Arrivals This Time Whilst Birmingham Central Get Brand New Enviro 200's Wolves Get Their Clapped Out Volvo B6LE 634/39/40 Wright Crusaders. I Pursume More To Come to Replace Remaining Excell's and Maybe Merc's Or Solo's A Notice Has Been Put Out Advising Of Route Alterations To The 62/62A And Drivers To Be Typed On Volvo B6. I Persume Therefore They Are To Be Used On These Routes. As These Could Also Be Used On The 28 And With One Recent Solo accident Victim another In Long Term Rehab And another Lying In Bits In The Yard Could This Be The End Of Solo Operation In Wolverhampton??
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8350721045/in/photostream/?reuploaded=1
B6LE must be better than Excels & Solos in NXWM eyes......
B6LEs aren't that bad, they suit some park lane routes perfectly, I.e. 62/A
I imagine this being the end of solos at WN
i actually find it it funny the poor wolvo passengers will have to ride these out, ill think ill happly stick to the mercs on the 89/289 for me
Quote from: makkacdt on January 06, 2013, 02:53:52 AM
i actually find it it funny the poor wolvo passengers will have to ride these out, ill think ill happly stick to the mercs on the 89/289 for me
Hopefully they stay off my local route which is Merc-operated atm.
Though I read elsewhere on the forum that WN are losing 3 of their Mercs as part of this transfer, so my route may see the odd rare one on it.
Then there's that once a month journey I make on the 11 which can see an Excel and the odd Solo on it, so I may encounter a B6 on there too. :-\
B6s arent my favourite, but they are way way better than Excels! Ive never minded Solo's tbh, much more pleasant to ride on and nicer sounding than MPD Darts
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Quote from: Ash on January 06, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Depends if Wolverhampton kept some of the ones out of the B10Ls they had
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 06, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Depends if Wolverhampton kept some of the ones out of the B10Ls they had
Would the ones from the smaller Excels fit?
They were withdrawn just before the review though, so won't have some places on there.
i know theres cost implications here, but isnt it about time nxwm bit the bullet and fitted digi blinds to all buses? if a lot of other companies can do it nxwm can. when vehicle withdrawn they could be removed and re-used surely
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 06, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Depends if Wolverhampton kept some of the ones out of the B10Ls they had
Would the ones from the smaller Excels fit?
They were withdrawn just before the review though, so won't have some places on there.
If they do fit, they should have the destinations for the routes I expect to see them on (26, 28, 62/62a, 11, 32/33) seeing as those Excels have been on those routes or routes that served those destinations in the past.
Plus IIRC there were still a number of shorter Excels still in service after the review?
Quote from: SMK on January 06, 2013, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 06, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Depends if Wolverhampton kept some of the ones out of the B10Ls they had
The blinds in the short Excels are narrower than B6 or B10 blinds
Would the ones from the smaller Excels fit?
They were withdrawn just before the review though, so won't have some places on there.
If they do fit, they should have the destinations for the routes I expect to see them on (26, 62/62a, 11, 32/33) seeing as those Excels have been on those routes or routes that served those destinations in the past.
Plus IIRC there were still a number of shorter Excels still in service after the review?
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: SMK on January 06, 2013, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 06, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
Will blinds be created for the b6le's as no vehicles Wolverhampton operate have just one blind at the front as the excels/mercs all have two front blinds one for the final destination and one for the via points. Or will they install electronic blinds just for the front like some of the mercs have had at PE.
Depends if Wolverhampton kept some of the ones out of the B10Ls they had
The blinds in the short Excels are narrower than B6 or B10 blinds
Would the ones from the smaller Excels fit?
They were withdrawn just before the review though, so won't have some places on there.
If they do fit, they should have the destinations for the routes I expect to see them on (26, 62/62a, 11, 32/33) seeing as those Excels have been on those routes or routes that served those destinations in the past.
Plus IIRC there were still a number of shorter Excels still in service after the review?
Ok, thanks Tony, its old B10L blinds or the slim chance of some new blinds for them.
There's not a lot to find, think it's 9 transferring for now.
The mini Excels have done the rounds in the storage yards, surely there are some single line destination displays knocking around, the only destination I could think that would need adding to them is Willenhall, think all other place names would be there,
4350 was on the 2 today, possible transfer or on loan from Central to Yardley Wood.
Quote from: John on January 07, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
4350 was on the 2 today, possible transfer or on loan from Central to Yardley Wood.
Pretty sure it was on the 35 yesterday
Quote from: John on January 07, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
4350 was on the 2 today, possible transfer or on loan from Central to Yardley Wood.
Seen 4350 today this time it was on the 6 so it looks like its transferred to YW
Also 4635 is now at WB seen on the 87 on Moor Street Queensway this morning
0669 BC-WA
0673 BC-WA
0673 IN SERVICE TODAY 16/01/2013 ON 69
posted on yahoo bus group, 2x national express excels on motorway heading north on suspended tow. one allegedly 401. does this mean the excels are heading to the great bus park in the sky
Quote from: mranon on January 16, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
posted on yahoo bus group, 2x national express excels on motorway heading north on suspended tow. one allegedly 401. does this mean the excels are heading to the great bus park in the sky
Four have left for scrap this week, 401 and three long ones, I haven't got the numbers to hand
with the b6's being transferred to wn garage, is the trip north the fate for all the optares?
This is a long shot but are the extra b6le's to Walsall a sign that the 45 could be transferred back to Walsall Garage or have been sent to Walsall to replace b6le's in a worse condition such as 650 which hasn't been refurbished.
Well WB driver on here has mentioned that there are strong rumors that the 45 is transferring back to WA so you could be right
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Quote from: mranon on January 16, 2013, 08:12:47 PM
posted on yahoo bus group, 2x national express excels on motorway heading north on suspended tow. one allegedly 401. does this mean the excels are heading to the great bus park in the sky
Four have left for scrap this week, 401 and three long ones, I haven't got the numbers to hand
401 was one of my favourites too!
Both 418 and 422 look on the photo put up today, so I suppose its the right thing.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 16, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
When will the B6LE enter service at WN. Will it be in the next few weeks?
Well as far as I know there are still only 3 at present, none even have a ticket machine installed and other than 640 being used for type training the others are turning into very pretty icycles at the moment!!!
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on January 16, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 16, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
When will the B6LE enter service at WN. Will it be in the next few weeks?
Well as far as I know there are still only 3 at present, none even have a ticket machine installed and other than 640 being used for type training the others are turning into very pretty icycles at the moment!!!
Why were the ticket machines removed?
Sounds a little odd, considering they knew they would be transferring.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 16, 2013, 10:18:54 PM
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on January 16, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 16, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
When will the B6LE enter service at WN. Will it be in the next few weeks?
Well as far as I know there are still only 3 at present, none even have a ticket machine installed and other than 640 being used for type training the others are turning into very pretty icycles at the moment!!!
Why were the ticket machines removed?
Sounds a little odd, considering they knew they would be transferring.
Each depot has an allocation of machines. So the equipment belongs to the depot not the vehicle
unless each garage has specific ticket machines? that may be the case
Obviously 'Spares' have to be installed or a machine has to be installed from a working vehicle in a quick turn around perhaps?
Quote from: mranon on January 16, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
unless each garage has specific ticket machines? that may be the case
yes each garage does have specific ticket machines, not enough memory to programme every route into every machine
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 16, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
When will the B6LE enter service at WN. Will it be in the next few weeks?
Don't quote me but rumor has it it'll be coincided with timetable changes to 62\62A on Febuary 17th, which makes sense as PN are due to run E200s on the 222 soon and some of their B6s are heading our way. It then gives enough time to Type Train drivers on them.
Quote from: Driver03 on January 17, 2013, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 16, 2013, 10:03:37 PM
When will the B6LE enter service at WN. Will it be in the next few weeks?
Don't quote me but rumor has it it'll be coincided with timetable changes to 62\62A on Febuary 17th, which makes sense as PN are due to run E200s on the 222 soon and some of their B6s are heading our way. It then gives enough time to Type Train drivers on them.
Some will be out by the end of the month!
633 heading out of town on the A38(M) around 1130 this morning.
will all the remaining single deck optares be replaced by these b6's, or will some see service a bit longer
Quote from: mranon on January 17, 2013, 04:25:26 PM
will all the remaining single deck optares be replaced by these b6's, or will some see service a bit longer
I've been told all the Excells and Solo's are going, some O405N as well
Walsall Garage 14/01/2013
0658 WA-XS
1463 WA-XS
0669 BC-WA
0673 BC-WA
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 21, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
Walsall Garage 14/01/2013
0658 WA-XS
1463 WA-XS
0669 BC-WA
0673 BC-WA
Shame that 1463 is going, I've never seen it.
Would have been better to withdraw another B6LE, to give increased capacity to maybe route 69, which really needs it.
It even has LED blinds, but I guess it was because it was in toothpaste livery, with all of the others being in NXWM livery.
Maybe the blinds can go to one of the V reg 0405Ns, which could see service for another year or two yet.
I went on 658 last week, mind you 669 and 673 are in better nick than that and 1463
4330 at WA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8408368321/in/photostream
Tony,
638 BC to AG
2122 BC to AG
2153 WN to AG
Are these permanent changes, or were they just temporary loans? It just seems strange to me that AG would suddenly gain just 1 B6LE, after they were all withdrawn from there last year.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
Tony,
638 BC to AG
2122 BC to AG
2153 WN to AG
Are these permanent changes, or were they just temporary loans? It just seems strange to me that AG would suddenly gain just 1 B6LE, after they were all withdrawn from there last year.
The B6 is only temporary, will head to WN soon, not sure about the Eclipse.
All of AGs Geminis are currently having safety checks on their rear axles so AG is currently short of buses
Coventry last a Mercedes due to a serious fatal accident in Coventry, Looks like replacement will be 1634 from West Bromwich
Thanks for the info Tony, would explain some of the 'unusual' workings seen recently (Omnilinks and Urban 2s on the 11A/C & 31/A and the odd President on the 37!)
Another Merc bites the dust...
At this rate NXWM will have to start prepping some decent buses from the withdrawn/reserve fleet. As they really don't seem to have many 'spare' buses lying around.
677 BC to WA
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2013, 08:29:56 PM
Coventry last a Mercedes due to a serious fatal accident in Coventry, Looks like replacement will be 1634 from West Bromwich
I suppose taking 1634 is a good choice as they already have 1635/6 but it's one of West Brom's few refurbished merc's :( should of taken 1599/1601/1607 back to Coventry there original home.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2013, 08:35:09 PM
Another Merc bites the dust...
At this rate NXWM will have to start prepping some decent buses from the withdrawn/reserve fleet. As they really don't seem to have many 'spare' buses lying around.
Hardly, 30 new buses have just entered service and only about 10 have so far been withdrawn
I saw 4346 today, not in service, going down West Bromwich High St, towards Birmingham
Quote from: Shaun on February 06, 2013, 02:23:36 PM
I saw 4346 today, not in service, going down West Bromwich High St, towards Birmingham
You do see BC/YW tridents around West Bromwich quite a bit, I think going to/from the garage for work to be carried out on them. Always driven by engineers.
4530 and 4531 heading this evening towards Walsall at around 7pm out of service. Does anybody know what other vehicles are to be withdrawn from WB after the remaining enviro 200's are starting to now enter service there.
Quote from: Ash on February 06, 2013, 07:56:08 PM
4530 and 4531 heading this evening towards Walsall at around 7pm out of service. Does anybody know what other vehicles are to be withdrawn from WB after the remaining enviro 200's are starting to now enter service there.
Walsall are doing all the rear axle checks on the Geminis
1634 is the replacement for 1562 the Coventry Merc lost in the fatal collision in Allesley while proceeding to Brownshill Green. 1562 spent most of its life in Birmingham.
I saw 1634 on the 45 on Sunday probably it's last day in service at WB hope they take off the local advert on the back which they havent done with 1557 still has an advert with a Dudley (01384) phone number on the back.
When 1635 and 1636 first ran in Coventry they retained their red Birmingham advertising above the windows for a number of months. See picture of 1636 in photo section with £15 travelcard advert.
Quote from: JoNi on February 06, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
When 1635 and 1636 first ran in Coventry they retained their red Birmingham advertising above the windows for a number of months. See picture of 1636 in photo section with £15 travelcard advert.
1655 did as well, with a red regional daysaver ad, where the Coventry ones were blue. Just had the WM price cut off
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/7190202541
Re BC / YW Tridents in West Brom, Carlyle at Swan Village often have NXWM vehicles inc ALX400s in for something or other - they might have been there.
Check the floor panels where the front axle is, some of those move around abit
Does anyone know when the 09 Enviros are due to leave Pensnett and where they are likely to go? Also what their replacements will be? I heard something about the 07/57 Enviros from YW and PB?
The reason I want to know is that my local buses are all PE operated, therefore it's very relevant to me, and there might be some interesting workings on the 9 and 141 during the changeover which would be worth seeing.
Tony,
600 and 601 now on fleet strength at WN from PN
626 now on fleet strength at WN from WB
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Tony,
600 and 601 now on fleet strength at WN from PN
626 now on fleet strength at WN from WB
Sad day, had hoped that PE could keep 600 given it's history with the depot!
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2013, 10:25:53 AM
Tony,
600 and 601 now on fleet strength at WN from PN
626 now on fleet strength at WN from WB
601 On the 81 yesterday.
600 spent one of its first WN days on the 59, ouch
Quote from: Ashley on February 15, 2013, 10:48:45 PM
600 spent one of its first WN days on the 59, ouch
Think it was only on the 59 in the morning peak.
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
That's good for the Spectras. What will the Trident's be replacing at Central I wonder. Would be nice for Yardley Wood to get some 45/6** Trident's, but I'm guessing they might get the remaining 41/2**'s.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
Which tridents are going? The older 2001-2002 ones or some of the transbus tridents
I would think all of the Dennis Trident's would go and some of the Transbus. To keep in line with block allocations. And to get rid off all of the Dennis Trident's from Wolverhampton.
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
So what is going on the 126 then spectras can't b7's would be stupid and kill the route unless that is what NXWM want and split the 126 (eg Wolves-Dudley and Brum-Dudley 2 separate depots) the 79 is decker operated the spectras cannot cover both the 79 and the 59 and single decks are not sufficent and the reliablity is questionable of the spectras no matter how good they look.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & older ones distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
But aren't some of the 04 plated tridents 126 branded
Yes, but WN have 75 53/04/54 plate Transbus Tridents, even if they were to lose the full 21, they'd still have 54 remaining, which is still more than BC will have
Quote from: Discodave on February 16, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
So what is going on the 126 then spectras can't b7's would be stupid and kill the route unless that is what NXWM want and split the 126 (eg Wolves-Dudley and Brum-Dudley 2 separate depots) the 79 is decker operated the spectras cannot cover both the 79 and the 59 and single decks are not sufficent and the reliablity is questionable of the spectras no matter how good they look.
Doesn't make any difference to what is on the 126 WN will still have exactly the same number of Double deckers
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
Do we know when this is all happening?
Quote from: thetruth on February 16, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
4384 and 4385 WN to YW please.
Agreed
Also some Voith Transbus would be nice :P
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 16, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
Do we know when this is all happening?
March.
I'm not sure on full numbers of transfers yet
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 16, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Spectras are staying. Confirmed yesterday WN's hybrids will be replacing tridents to go to YW and BC.
Also to inform you, yes 4800-4829 are going to YW to be replaced by 57 reg Enviros.
Will WN be loosing the full 21 Tridents or say 16 & withdrawal the last 5 Excels?
Pensnett will need at least another 5 x Enviro 400's from another source (PB has been suggested) as YW only has the 25 Enviros. YW are definitely getting the better end of the deal, YW's Enviro were some of the first/the first in NX livery and are now looking very pink, no doubt the interiors have took a beating spending their life on the 50. NXWM need to refresh these before putting them on the 9 / 141, otherwise passengers will see a big drop in the quality of the vehicles provided
So what is going on the 126 then spectras can't b7's would be stupid and kill the route unless that is what NXWM want and split the 126 (eg Wolves-Dudley and Brum-Dudley 2 separate depots) the 79 is decker operated the spectras cannot cover both the 79 and the 59 and single decks are not sufficent and the reliablity is questionable of the spectras no matter how good they look.
Doesn't make any difference to what is on the 126 WN will still have exactly the same number of Double deckers
We've got 74 tridents and loosing a maximum of 21 so I think we might be able to find some tridents for the 126!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Saying that the 46** tridents can go to BC and join the rest if the 46** batch
4599-4605 are going to be branded for the 529 so doubt it will be them. But how things change so quickly!
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
4599-4605 are going to be branded for the 529 so doubt it will be them. But how things change so quickly!
Interesting. Must be why they have all been repainted/in the process on been repainted. They could do more than 6 branded buses as well.
Quote from: John on February 16, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 06:58:59 PM
4599-4605 are going to be branded for the 529 so doubt it will be them. But how things change so quickly!
Interesting. Must be why they have all been repainted/in the process on been repainted. They could do more than 6 branded buses as well.
4599 - 4605 would make 7 branded
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
Where would you think the 21 early Tridents may go? Noted that WA already have some of these.....................andsome elderly B10Ls and B6LEs. It's my guess that somehow, by means of cunning cascades, the 81 double decks will replace Mercs.`I'm quite surprised about the 4800-4829 suggested transfer - perhaps this is part of the cunning cascade. No doubt it'll all becone clear soon.
Quote from: don on February 16, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
Where would you think the 21 early Tridents may go? Noted that WA already have some of these.....................andsome elderly B10Ls and B6LEs. It's my guess that somehow, by means of cunning cascades, the 81 double decks will replace Mercs.`I'm quite surprised about the 4800-4829 suggested transfer - perhaps this is part of the cunning cascade. No doubt it'll all becone clear soon.
Don,
BN has already confirmed that the Tridents WN will be loosing are going to BC & YW
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: don on February 16, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
Where would you think the 21 early Tridents may go? Noted that WA already have some of these.....................andsome elderly B10Ls and B6LEs. It's my guess that somehow, by means of cunning cascades, the 81 double decks will replace Mercs.`I'm quite surprised about the 4800-4829 suggested transfer - perhaps this is part of the cunning cascade. No doubt it'll all becone clear soon.
Don,
BN has already confirmed that the Tridents WN will be loosing are going to BC & YW
Yeah I know but what will they replace at BC and YW, and where will whatever they replace go to? Sorry if my post was less than clear guys.
Quote from: don on February 16, 2013, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: don on February 16, 2013, 07:16:01 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 16, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Well if all the older 2001-2002 dennis tridents and a few transbus tridents then there will still be a load of transbus tridents but they may well choose to send the transbus tridents instead but we will have to wait and see
I think it will be 04/54 plate Tridents, as I posted in another thread BC have a large concentration of 65 Y-reg Tridents as it is, which are now 12/13 years old & make up 30% of its fleet as it is. The double decker fleet at BC needs to be modernized & distributed more evenly around the various Trident depots
Where would you think the 21 early Tridents may go? Noted that WA already have some of these.....................andsome elderly B10Ls and B6LEs. It's my guess that somehow, by means of cunning cascades, the 81 double decks will replace Mercs.`I'm quite surprised about the 4800-4829 suggested transfer - perhaps this is part of the cunning cascade. No doubt it'll all becone clear soon.
Don,
BN has already confirmed that the Tridents WN will be loosing are going to BC & YW
Yeah I know but what will they replace at BC and YW, and where will whatever they replace go to? Sorry if my post was less than clear guys.
pass, not sure on that one. Other than I'm guessing the 3 x Presidents Dundee are still expecting could be 4120-4122 from YW to join 4123/4?
Winston, I agree with you - I think having these huge batches of buses of one age band creates problems when it comes to refurb (based on the apparent allocation of budgets to individual garages) - so 75 Tridents at WN doesn't make great sense - it also plays havoc with average vehicle ages at each garage (eg Wolverhampton will have a significant percentage of it's fleet less than 2 yrs old after the hybrids arrive).
I think the Outer Circle will get new buses in a couple of years, when the Presidents are due for replacement (a nice high profile route for hybrids?) - the first 200 NXWM low floor double deckers (4001 - 4200) are allocated very unequally currently across the fleet - largely at B'ham garages except PB - BC have a large number of them as do AG.
as of yesterday, B6s and Excels run the 62 etc. By the way did 601 come to wolves in a right state or did two days on the 11 mean loads of graffiti and etching got on to it?
Quote from: Ashley on February 18, 2013, 05:04:26 AM
as of yesterday, B6s and Excels run the 62 etc. By the way did 601 come to wolves in a right state or did two days on the 11 mean loads of graffiti and etching got on to it?
Excels still holding on one on the 28 today an early refurbed one did not catch the fleet number.
The trident transfer won't happen until after the metro closure at easter, however I would like to clarify
PB and YW enviros to PE then PEs to YW in a swap
WN tridents to BC and YW replacing presidents
CV omnilinks to currently unknown
Just want to get my info right?
Quote from: Ashley on February 18, 2013, 06:16:35 PM
The trident transfer won't happen until after the metro closure at easter, however I would like to clarify
PB and YW enviros to PE then PEs to YW in a swap
WN tridents to BC and YW replacing presidents
CV omnilinks to currently unknown
Just want to get my info right?
Where will all these surplus presidents go to-WestBrom replacing mercs or something like that? Or is it time to send them to the scrapman
I think some presidents will head to Dundee. I would like to see some presidents go to Coventry to ensure services like the 10 stay double decker operated.
Quote from: Ash on February 18, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
I think some presidents will head to Dundee. I would like to see some presidents go to Coventry to ensure services like the 10 stay double decker operated.
Dundee are expecting 5 presidents in total, as said in another topic. 2 are there already, only three to go, possible 4120-4122 to go with 4123 and 4124.
Quote from: Peter123 on February 18, 2013, 06:20:01 PM
Where will all these surplus presidents go to-WestBrom replacing mercs or something like that? Or is it time to send them to the scrapman
I don't think they will go back to West Brom after they lost most of them last year. But I don't think they will get withdrawn either. Yardley Wood is the best place for them because of the LEZ, unless there is a surprise transfer for them in the next few months
Quote from: Ash on February 18, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
I think some presidents will head to Dundee. I would like to see some presidents go to Coventry to ensure services like the 10 stay double decker operated.
As I posted in the 23 new buses for Coventry thread they are getting 10 new Enviro 400 for the 10
Does anyone know which PB and YW Enviros are going to PE? And when?
Quote from: Shaun on February 19, 2013, 12:12:16 AM
Does anyone know which PB and YW Enviros are going to PE? And when?
I think all of the YW Enviro's are going, and maybe the last 5 from Perry Barr to keep the block allocations together. Don't know if that means 5 48**'s will go to Perry Barr. Or will Yardley wood have all 30 and lose 5 other buses. We will have to wait and see.
Don't think its for a few months yet, untill after the Metro is reopened.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 07:11:06 PM
With some of the tridents going will the 59 still see tridents or will it become fully spectra operated.
If its going to be spectra operated expect the 59 not to turn up daily with the questionable reliability of them. A couple of my mates hate them they always have some sort of fault or overheat.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 07:11:06 PM
With some of the tridents going will the 59 still see tridents or will it become fully spectra operated.
Why would these moves affect where the Spectras are used? The 1 which is generally all trident operated is getting new buses and the tridents that are currently used are moving on
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
My day off :D i know what i'm doing
Cheers sir. Now I can plan my Friday :-)
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Seems a strange transfer, surely the buses should come from WB?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Seems a strange transfer, surely the buses should come from WB?
The rest that are required might do and will leave WB to further withdraw some more vehicles that are still in Travel West Midlands livery and have not been refurbished, but do agree I assumed the buses would come from WB and not WN.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Seems a strange transfer, surely the buses should come from WB?
Looks as though NX are moving allocations around with the introduction of the Hybrids / cascading of the Tridents. Surely 21 x Tridents will no longer be leaving WN?
Sorry but what is being transferred to Pensnett and when?
Quote from: X94 on February 20, 2013, 06:09:22 PM
Sorry but what is being transferred to Pensnett and when?
The boards WB currently operate on routes 53 & 289 are moving permanently to Pensnett from 10th March
There was also suggestions that WB may be loosing the 405 back to Walsall as well
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2013, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Seems a strange transfer, surely the buses should come from WB?
Looks as though NX are moving allocations around with the introduction of the Hybrids / cascading of the Tridents. Surely 21 x Tridents will no longer be leaving WN?
Thats was what i was thinking, also i thought that they were going to start to withdraw more of the R and S reg Mercs, so would have thought it would have been better to withdraw 1543 & 1545!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2013, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: BN on February 20, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
More transfers on the way, 9th march 1543 and 1545 from WN to PN for extra 53/289 workings.
5510, 5511, 5512, 5513 should be out and about by the 8th March.
Seems a strange transfer, surely the buses should come from WB?
Looks as though NX are moving allocations around with the introduction of the Hybrids / cascading of the Tridents. Surely 21 x Tridents will no longer be leaving WN?
Thats was what i was thinking, also i thought that they were going to start to withdraw more of the R and S reg Mercs, so would have thought it would have been better to withdraw 1543 & 1545!
Exactly, its seems NXWM doesn't know what's happening until it happens..... it seems to change on a daily basis
Quote from: thetruth on February 20, 2013, 07:21:19 PM
Hopefully the 2 other Mercs Pensnett get will be 1628 and 1632 from WB.
Was rather hoping for 1700 & 1702. seem a good pair of mercs!
Quote from: thetruth on February 20, 2013, 07:25:42 PM
I just like continuous blocks of numbers ;)
I do to, just a shame with the Mercs that CV had odd buses, means that you can't create continuous blocks without repaints!
Quote from: thetruth on February 20, 2013, 07:21:19 PM
Hopefully the 2 other Mercs Pensnett get will be 1628 and 1632 from WB.
Yes thats correct.
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
It looks like I may have got something right for a change (apart from the PE bit) !
Quote from: Roy on January 29, 2013, 06:00:25 PM
My own opinion is that the Spectra's will be withdrawn from Wolverhampton and will not transfer elsewhere .
If that happens in 2013, then it means a straight swap of 21 hybrids for 21 Spectra's.
However, I think that they've got another year or two in them and the scenario may be as follows. WN receive 21 hybrids and retain 21 Spectras. All of the 41xx and 43xx Tridents at Wolverhampton are transferred to other depots. This means 13 Tridents are transferred to increase double deck operation in other areas (possibly PE). WN would have a net increase of 8 double deckers, which they need given the number of single deckers spotted on double deck routes recently.
Hopefully, this will mean that the unusual sightings of single deckers on routes such as the 1, 59, 79, 126, 255, 256 and 529 will happen far less than they do now.
It will be interesting to see who gets which Tridents if NXWM keep the allocations in blocks. 4135, 4305-12, 4320-21, 4384-85 are due to be transferred. I would guess that 4384 and 4385 will go directly to YW, but the others would more logically go to BC. Is it possible that some of the later 43xx Tridents go from BC to YW as part of the transferwhen BC receive Tridents from WN?
4597-4605 are due to be branded for the 529.
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Shhhh! Don't mention that around Discodave! ;)
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
According to my spreadsheet figures, WN is currently 7th in the table. My figures for average age at the end of January are
BY 5.19 years, WA 7.00, BC 7.44, AG 7.94, PE 8.20, PB 8.37, WN 8.83, YW 9.15, CV 9.98 and (last as expected) WB 11.06.
If you withdraw all of the WN Solos and Excels, transfer out the 15xx Mercs and 41xx and 43xx Tridents, and transfer in the 21 brand-new hybrids, WN moves up to 3rd between WA and BC with an average age of 7.33 years.
Quote from: thetruth on February 21, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 21, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Shhhh! Don't mention that around Discodave! ;)
It will get them to around 7 years and 9 months old on average, depending on which vehicles move. Which is the 3rd youngest fleet behind Bordesley and Walsall.
Thanks Pete, thought so. WN must be contributing a decent chunk to profits since the Network Review to warrant the investment
There does seem to have been an increase in passenger numbers in Wolves since our review, be nice to see a decker now and again on roues like the 3
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: thetruth on February 21, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 21, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Shhhh! Don't mention that around Discodave! ;)
It will get them to around 7 years and 9 months old on average, depending on which vehicles move. Which is the 3rd youngest fleet behind Bordesley and Walsall.
Thanks Pete, thought so. WN must be contributing a decent chunk to profits since the Network Review to warrant the investment
That's quite possibly true, owing to the fact that routes like the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 that were changed in the review have all benefited from new buses and from my experience driving them all they are busier than ever now especially the 6!
Excels are being withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on February 22, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Excels are being withdrawn.
Interesting - presumably from the B6LE cascade? Do you know if there'll be a 'last day' wake/celebration for them or have they already stopped?
Quote from: BN on February 22, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
Excels are being withdrawn.
BN,
Do things frequently change on a daily basis? it does make sense to withdraw the last of the Excels given that WN now has allocation of B6LE, may as well increase the size of that allocation & eliminate a vehicle type / reduce number of types of spares carried from WN
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Probably won't get another new bus for 20 years after that!
No need to rush for photo's then ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 4006 on February 22, 2013, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Probably won't get another new bus for 20 years after that!
No need to rush for photo's then ;D ;D ;D
What about the spectras?
How much longer have the Excels got? days?
Spectras are staying put Discodave as it sounds, probably get replaced by Tridents by the end of the year :D
Quote from: 4006 on February 22, 2013, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 05:25:12 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
I should imagine with 48 x Volvo B7RLE & 21 x Hybrids (all less than 18 months old) & with the full 75 x 53/04/54 Plate Tridents set to remain, once the Hybrids are all delivered, WN will be near the top of the list of garages with the youngest average age
Probably won't get another new bus for 20 years after that!
No need to rush for photo's then ;D ;D ;D
Funny you should say that 4006 I remember when Wolves got the B10s, Solos and the Excels new and did not get anything for years and was an old buses home was even mentioned in the local rag letter page, until the tridents came for the 79 and 559/560 at the time then the 45** series ones but there was quite a few years gap between the Optares and the Tridents.
OPTARE 296 TRANSFERED TO DUNDEE ON24TH POSSIBLY TO BE BROKEN UP FOR SPARES.
Quote from: JIM C on February 25, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
OPTARE 296 TRANSFERED TO DUNDEE ON24TH POSSIBLY TO BE BROKEN UP FOR SPARES.
Obviously, you in Dundee haven't heard a lot.
What we've heard is that its going to be an engine donor. I think that it was mentioned which bus it was going to, but I forgot.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on February 26, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: JIM C on February 25, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
OPTARE 296 TRANSFERED TO DUNDEE ON24TH POSSIBLY TO BE BROKEN UP FOR SPARES.
Obviously, you in Dundee haven't heard a lot.
What we've heard is that its going to be an engine donor. I think that it was mentioned which bus it was going to, but I forgot.
engine for 301.
301 HAS BEEN SITTING ENGINELESS FOR A WHILE NOW .WITH PARTS BEING TAKEN FROM IT .I WOULD BE SURPRIZED IF IT WENT BACK ON THE ROAD.
Quote from: JIM C on February 26, 2013, 11:00:04 PM
301 HAS BEEN SITTING ENGINELESS FOR A WHILE NOW .WITH PARTS BEING TAKEN FROM IT .I WOULD BE SURPRIZED IF IT WENT BACK ON THE ROAD.
Maybe they've changed their mind and 296 is going into service and 301 will be scrapped?
1426 is now at Perry Barr from Walsall. on the 28 today, with PB blind fitted. Maybe a replacement for 7022 while it's repaired?
Quote from: John on March 02, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
1426 is now at Perry Barr from Walsall. on the 28 today, with PB blind fitted. Maybe a replacement for 7022 while it's repaired?
replacement for 1480, last B10L in old colours. PB might not have actually taken 1480 out of service though!
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: John on March 02, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
1426 is now at Perry Barr from Walsall. on the 28 today, with PB blind fitted. Maybe a replacement for 7022 while it's repaired?
replacement for 1480, last B10L in old colours. PB might not have actually taken 1480 out of service though!
1480 was out on the 28 today
If PB have 15 liberators left and then CV omnilinks are going there then that must mean that liberator operation there is soon to come to an end?
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: John on March 02, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
1426 is now at Perry Barr from Walsall. on the 28 today, with PB blind fitted. Maybe a replacement for 7022 while it's repaired?
replacement for 1480, last B10L in old colours. PB might not have actually taken 1480 out of service though!
Hope not, the TWM livery really suits the B10Ls
Sadly 1480 has been earmarked for withdrawal since august so it was inevitable it would be withdrawn soon
PB1480 is on the 71A this morning.
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
As 9 of the new Hybrids appear to be about to enter service, I noticed there appear to be only 11 of these earlier Tridents at WN? Anyone any idea what the other 10 will replace? Mercs, Spectras or perhaps something newer for cascade?
I was told PL have 75 tridents some were going to YW except the ones mentioned for the 529 the spectras I was told were staying but got do with getting rid but no more B6's the state we got one from PN 601 I think was dire. Keep the scrap away and the mercs are becoming knackered too hopefully something newer but with the eventual 21 hybrids PL will have the youngest avarage fleet so not much chance of newer stuff for many years.
Quote from: don on March 04, 2013, 02:54:13 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:23:56 AM
Confirmed tridents staying at WN for definate are 4535-4609.
Looks like loosing the early ones.
As 9 of the new Hybrids appear to be about to enter service, I noticed there appear to be only 11 of these earlier Tridents at WN? Anyone any idea what the other 10 will replace? Mercs, Spectras or perhaps something newer for cascade?
According to Tony's fleetlist, WN have 13 earlier Tridents.
Also someone mentioned elsewhere that the 2 oldest WN Mercs will be heading to PE and that the Spectras look to be staying at WN.
Quote from: nobody on March 04, 2013, 06:00:28 PM
BN also posted that the Excels were being withdrawn.
The 21 vehicles being replaced probably consist of the 5 remaining Excels, 3 Mercs (1543, 1545 and 1690) and the aforementioned 13 oldest Tridents.
Yes, looks most likely - I'd forgotten about the Excels. I will be curious to see what the Tridents replace at their new home(s) - no doubt a couple of Presidents to Scotland will be one consequence.
Quote from: nobody on March 05, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
I'd do this. Totally unofficial, no insider knowledge.
4135, 4305-12, 4320, 4321 WN to BC
4384, 4385 WN to YW
4358, 4359, 4390, 4393 BC to YW
4084, 4085, 4086 YW to WB (to convert the 5 to 100% President operation)
4120, 4121, 4122 YW to Dundee
It would be ideal for the 5 to be 100% president operation and both 4085/4086 were both transferred to WB for the 451 (now 5) originally when the service was upgraded and 4084 was at WB as well not so long ago.
Quote from: nobody on March 05, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
I'd do this. Totally unofficial, no insider knowledge.
4135, 4305-12, 4320, 4321 WN to BC
4384, 4385 WN to YW
4358, 4359, 4390, 4393 BC to YW
4084, 4085, 4086 YW to WB (to convert the 5 to 100% President operation)
4120, 4121, 4122 YW to Dundee
and what deckers would be use on the 59/126/79 spectras (126 goes to Brum need late plate buses) we want rid of the things they are old and reliablity is not good the hybrids can only go on one route and the 529 will have most of the newer tridents.
Quote from: Discodave on March 06, 2013, 12:49:19 PM
Quote from: nobody on March 05, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
I'd do this. Totally unofficial, no insider knowledge.
4135, 4305-12, 4320, 4321 WN to BC
4384, 4385 WN to YW
4358, 4359, 4390, 4393 BC to YW
4084, 4085, 4086 YW to WB (to convert the 5 to 100% President operation)
4120, 4121, 4122 YW to Dundee
and what deckers would be use on the 59/126/79 spectras (126 goes to Brum need late plate buses) we want rid of the things they are old and reliablity is not good the hybrids can only go on one route and the 529 will have most of the newer tridents.
Discodave,
At present the intention is that WN will retain all 75 x Transbus Tridents 53/04 & 54 plate i.e. 4535-4609, so there are plenty of newer model Tridents to go round
Quote from: nobody on March 06, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
Yep Winston. I thought it was patently obvious that Wolverhampton would soon have 21 spare Tridents to play with once all the hybrids entered service.
Yep Pete, maybe not the full 21 though as it now sounds as though the last 5 Excels & two R-reg Mercs at least are down for withdrawal/cascade i.e. 1543 & 1545 (shame they can't send 1546 to Pensnett which has at least had a refurb). So I make that 14 Tridents available for cascade to BC & YW?
Quote from: nobody on March 06, 2013, 02:47:54 PM
Well there are only 13 'older' Tridents left. So 8 single decks would go in that case. Depends if 4001 does actually return to the road too. That would make it 14/7.
Agreed, counted your proposed cascades after I'd already replied
Quote from: nobody on March 06, 2013, 02:54:42 PM
1546 and 1549 will be surplus to requirements from 28 April anyway it seems. That would be the end of the older Merc at WN (assuming 1543 and 1545 do go this weekend)
yep, there's the 651 & X1 cancellations which should allow for further withdrawals, but the North B'ham review could increase the Pvr in that area if the most recent reviews are anything to go by
Do we know if the predicted transfer of 1543 & 1545 from WN to PE has taken place today?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 10, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
Do we know if the predicted transfer of 1543 & 1545 from WN to PE has taken place today?
PE should also of gained some further Mercs from WB after taking over their 53 / 289 duties.
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2013, 10:11:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 10, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
Do we know if the predicted transfer of 1543 & 1545 from WN to PE has taken place today?
PE should also of gained some further Mercs from WB after taking over their 53 / 289 duties.
Saw 1543 on the 244 this morning, but didn't notice any other new Mercs to PE
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2013, 10:11:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 10, 2013, 08:12:02 PM
Do we know if the predicted transfer of 1543 & 1545 from WN to PE has taken place today?
PE should also of gained some further Mercs from WB after taking over their 53 / 289 duties.
Saw 1543 on the 244 this morning, but didn't notice any other new Mercs to PE
I popped down the garage around lunchtime, nothing new parked up there, any further additions must have all been out
Do find it strange that 1690 - 2 were chosen to become driver trainers, surely it would have been better for 1543 & 1545 to become driver trainers and the younger Mercs to stay in service?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:25:58 PM
Do find it strange that 1690 - 2 were chosen to become driver trainers, surely it would have been better for 1543 & 1545 to become driver trainers and the younger Mercs to stay in service?
I though the same, as the latter Mercs have the built in wheelchair ramps and potentially have a few more years service left in them yet
Quote from: Winston on March 11, 2013, 07:35:07 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:25:58 PM
Do find it strange that 1690 - 2 were chosen to become driver trainers, surely it would have been better for 1543 & 1545 to become driver trainers and the younger Mercs to stay in service?
I though the same, as the latter Mercs have the built in wheelchair ramps and potentially have a few more years service left in them yet
maybe 1690,1691,1692 were chosen as they were newer ones having the built in ramp. so could stay in the training fleet. all the current lowfloor trainer vehicles have a manual ramp. thi way they have vehicles within the training fleet that trainees can learn to use all current variations. the other consideration is that these mercs are un referbished ones too
7020 out on the 66 today
4306 back at Walsall on the 7 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8551449201
There was another 430* Trident parked at the 77/935 stop at the X roads by Barr Beacon as well
4305 on 77
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 12, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
4305 on 77
Obviously plans for BC & YW to get them have changed
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2013, 10:46:40 AM
7020 out on the 66 today
Is this a permanent transfer or a loan? As I thought AG were still short of buses, as they seem to still have 2122, and the allocations so far this week have been all over the place. Urban 2s on the 1, 5 and 31/A as well as the 37, which has had everything (including Presidents!) being used.
Quote from: Ashley on March 03, 2013, 07:01:37 PM
Sadly 1480 has been earmarked for withdrawal since august so it was inevitable it would be withdrawn soon
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 04, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
PB1480 is on the 71A this morning.
Still out and about today on the 28
Quote from: John on March 13, 2013, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 03, 2013, 07:01:37 PM
Sadly 1480 has been earmarked for withdrawal since august so it was inevitable it would be withdrawn soon
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 04, 2013, 11:21:10 AM
PB1480 is on the 71A this morning.
Still out and about today on the 28
Intrigued.... why earmarked for withdrawal it seemed in decent condition when I was on it on the 28 (a while back), and saw it this morning on the 46
Quote from: Kevin on March 14, 2013, 09:30:32 PM
Intrigued.... why earmarked for withdrawal it seemed in decent condition when I was on it on the 28 (a while back), and saw it this morning on the 46
I guess because it is the last in TWM livery
Quote from: John on March 14, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: Kevin on March 14, 2013, 09:30:32 PM
Intrigued.... why earmarked for withdrawal it seemed in decent condition when I was on it on the 28 (a while back), and saw it this morning on the 46
I guess because it is the last in TWM livery
Looks like 1448 might have died instead, currently at Miller Street
295,299 ,ARE NOW AT DUNDEE.I'VE BEEN TOLD SOME EX DUNDEE SINGLES ARE COMMIMG BACK AS WELL.
Think some of your B10L's are coming back Jim
1543 was on the 244 last Tuesday, when I was trying out the Hybrids on the 1. I also got a trip on Green Bus 313 on the 558.
is the single decker that was at PB coming back 1481 i think it was
1628 now at Pensnett. On the 276 today.
Quote from: Solo1 on March 15, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
is the single decker that was at PB coming back 1481 i think it was
Nothing's coming back from Dundee, they are going to Dundee either due to increased work/pvr or to replace older non refurbished buses
1545 and 1549 are two more Mercs to go from Wolverhampton to Pensnett. Both on the 246 today.
Quote from: uniquicity on March 16, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
1545 and 1549 are two more Mercs to go from Wolverhampton to Pensnett. Both on the 246 today.
Great more heaps of scrap for PE!
1632 at PN
Quote from: uniquicity on March 16, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
1545 and 1549 are two more Mercs to go from Wolverhampton to Pensnett. Both on the 246 today.
I guess 1546 may well now end up at Pensnett as well then
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on March 16, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
1545 and 1549 are two more Mercs to go from Wolverhampton to Pensnett. Both on the 246 today.
I guess 1546 may well now end up at Pensnett as well then
Think that NXWM should engage in a tidying up exercise for the Mercs, especially the ones that are to last long term.
Surely a coat of paint, blind boxes cleaned and blinds positioned correctly (1621 has had an off centre bottom blind for ages and at night, is difficult to read because of the visible light), seats given deep clean.
It seems a lot of the deckers are getting attention, but Mercs seem to have been largely forgotten.
So much for the better bus agreement :/ or is this some cunning plan to move the old buses to pensnett so they get replaced first, if that's the case move all the old ones there :)
Makes sense that 1628/1632 have moved from WB to PE though as PE now have 1627-1633 so it's grouping fleet numbers together at certain garages.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 16, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2013, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on March 16, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
1545 and 1549 are two more Mercs to go from Wolverhampton to Pensnett. Both on the 246 today.
I guess 1546 may well now end up at Pensnett as well then
Think that NXWM should engage in a tidying up exercise for the Mercs, especially the ones that are to last long term.
Surely a coat of paint, blind boxes cleaned and blinds positioned correctly (1621 has had an off centre bottom blind for ages and at night, is difficult to read because of the visible light), seats given deep clean.
It seems a lot of the deckers are getting attention, but Mercs seem to have been largely forgotten.
I would have thought they'll all be gone within 18 months to 2 years, if NXWM have 130 new buses per annum - I would guess starting very shortly with new deliveries planned.
4305 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8565565679/in/photostream/
4306 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8565565351/in/photostream
A deep clean would do. I've brought it up before but 1643 has held on to the same graffiti for nearly 2 years, how they missed it while the bus was in refurb is beyond me. Also how is it that coventrys mercs still look not far off paintshop fresh and the ones in the black country look horrible in some cases
Quote from: Ashley on March 17, 2013, 09:40:20 PM
A deep clean would do. I've brought it up before but 1643 has held on to the same graffiti for nearly 2 years, how they missed it while the bus was in refurb is beyond me. Also how is it that coventrys mercs still look not far off paintshop fresh and the ones in the black country look horrible in some cases
The writing at the back of the bus? Noticed that the other day, disgusting
Yeah, been there since its days at Wn, dare I say its LH days
Quote from: Ashley on March 17, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
Yeah, been there since its days at Wn, dare I say its LH days
Where is it? I wonder why it has been there for so long
Its on the vertical roof panels at the rear on both sides and on the panel under the last but one nearside window
Quote from: Winston on March 15, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 15, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
is the single decker that was at PB coming back 1481 i think it was
Nothing's coming back from Dundee, they are going to Dundee either due to increased work/pvr or to replace older non refurbished buses
7115 is currently being 'VI ed' at Miller Street, this means an engineer is going over it in minute detail looking for any defects, things missing, or work that needs doing on it to put it into service.
I would imagine if the cost of putting it on the road isn't silly this will be back in use in the near future
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2013, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 15, 2013, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 15, 2013, 05:36:22 PM
is the single decker that was at PB coming back 1481 i think it was
Nothing's coming back from Dundee, they are going to Dundee either due to increased work/pvr or to replace older non refurbished buses
7115 is currently being 'VI ed' at Miller Street, this means an engineer is going over it in minute detail looking for any defects, things missing, or work that needs doing on it to put it into service.
I would imagine if the cost of putting it on the road isn't silly this will be back in use in the near future
Tony,
I assume that will be in Dundee rather than NXWM?
4321 was inside BC today....
Possible transfer at Walsall
4857-4879 to yardley wood
4738-4762 to Walsall
The 48xx are lower fuel consumption than 47xx series
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 19, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Possible transfer at Walsall
4857-4879 to yardley wood
4738-4762 to Walsall
The 48xx are lower fuel consumption than 47xx series
Does that mean the YW to PE swap will not now take place?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 19, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 19, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Possible transfer at Walsall
4857-4879 to yardley wood
4738-4762 to Walsall
The 48xx are lower fuel consumption than 47xx series
Does that mean the YW to PE swap will not now take place?
God I hope so! I don't want to lose my Enviros :(
Seems a waste now after branding those Walsall enviro's for the 51 and 935.
Has the Enviro swap plan changed again?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 19, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 19, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Possible transfer at Walsall
4857-4879 to yardley wood
4738-4762 to Walsall
The 48xx are lower fuel consumption than 47xx series
Does that mean the YW to PE swap will not now take place?
The whole Enviro swap was centred on Pensnett & the need to remove the 09 plate Enviro's off the Hagley Road running boards, the above proposed swap doesn't solve the original issue. YW were only ever meant to be the beneficiary. The numbers don't tally either, as YW would loose 25 & only gain 23 newer models in return
Quote from: Winston on March 20, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 19, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 19, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Possible transfer at Walsall
4857-4879 to yardley wood
4738-4762 to Walsall
The 48xx are lower fuel consumption than 47xx series
Does that mean the YW to PE swap will not now take place?
The whole Enviro swap was centred on Pensnett & the need to remove the 09 plate Enviro's off the Hagley Road running boards, the above proposed swap doesn't solve the original issue. YW were only ever meant to be the beneficiary. The numbers don't tally either, as YW would loose 25 & only gain 23 newer models in return
Yes, it's no good guessing, and as said it's highly unlikely they are going to swop branded 51 buses
There is a Birmingham Central Trident on the 900 with every 6 minutes green branding on back.
I was too far away to get the bus number, but the branding caught my eye!
Quote from: JoNi on March 21, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
There is a Birmingham Central Trident on the 900 with every 6 minutes green branding on back.
I was too far away to get the bus number, but the branding caught my eye!
It's 4358 ;)
Quote from: Rob H on March 21, 2013, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: JoNi on March 21, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
There is a Birmingham Central Trident on the 900 with every 6 minutes green branding on back.
I was too far away to get the bus number, but the branding caught my eye!
It's 4358 ;)
Still branded for the Pershore Road then? :)
Quote from: Shaun on March 21, 2013, 09:06:38 PM
Still branded for the Pershore Road then? :)
Only on the rear. It must have carried a read ad, like most of the 461*'s did when branded, and the green branding was not taken off at the same time that the ad was removed.
In mid afternoon 4358 seen returning to Brum being towed by a Manston tow truck!
Looks like 1546 has moved from WN to PE, as it was on the 243/4 today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8589534923/in/photostream
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
Quote from: wilmotm on March 26, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
1546 was their last one, their oldest one is now T-reg 1650
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on March 26, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
1546 was their last one, their oldest one is now T-reg 1650
Would have thought it was time for PE to start to withdraw some of there very early Mercs.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on March 26, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
1546 was their last one, their oldest one is now T-reg 1650
Would have thought it was time for PE to start to withdraw some of there very early Mercs.
You'd have thought so, particularly the un-refurbished ones still in TWM or early NXWM livery, unless PE are hopeful of gaining any more new/nearly new B7RLE from this years orders/subsequent cascades. Unless any have since been withdrawn following the arrival of 1546, PE's Merc fleet total currently stands at 52, which if I remember correctly is nearly as many B6LE they once had allocated
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on March 26, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
1546 was their last one, their oldest one is now T-reg 1650
Would have thought it was time for PE to start to withdraw some of there very early Mercs.
I certainly hope not as the oldest ones are the best ones, performance-wise at least, and they sound a lot better
has 1549 been transferred too.?
Quote from: mranon on March 26, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
has 1549 been transferred too.?
Yes 1549 is now allocated to Pensnett
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 26, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on March 26, 2013, 08:50:47 AM
Surely WN are nearly rid of most of their early Mercs now which will lower their average age even more
1546 was their last one, their oldest one is now T-reg 1650
Would have thought it was time for PE to start to withdraw some of there very early Mercs.
I certainly hope not as the oldest ones are the best ones, performance-wise at least, and they sound a lot better
The 15-- series/early 16-- series Merc's are on borrowed time, as they are not Diptac compliant (i.e don't have the built in wheelchair ramps)
The T/V reg mercs just sound healthier to me, still very good buses
Quote from: Shaun on March 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
The T/V reg mercs just sound healthier to me, still very good buses
Maybe it's just the examples I'm familiar with then, but (and Trident 4609 can back me up here :P) 1518 which we rode Saturday before last was flying up the hills on the 244, whereas 1665 which we had last Saturday was really struggling
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 26, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
The T/V reg mercs just sound healthier to me, still very good buses
Maybe it's just the examples I'm familiar with then, but (and Trident 4609 can back me up here :P) 1518 which we rode Saturday before last was flying up the hills on the 244, whereas 1665 which we had last Saturday was really struggling
Yes The T reg mercs struggled up the hill on the 244 near dudley whereas 1518 the week before did seem to get up the hill easier.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 26, 2013, 07:12:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 26, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
The T/V reg mercs just sound healthier to me, still very good buses
Maybe it's just the examples I'm familiar with then, but (and Trident 4609 can back me up here :P) 1518 which we rode Saturday before last was flying up the hills on the 244, whereas 1665 which we had last Saturday was really struggling
Yes The T reg mercs struggled up the hill on the 244 near dudley whereas 1518 the week before did seem to get up the hill easier.
The T/V reg mercs are a lot smoother and the interior is nicer, but the older ones do appear quicker.
I was in Wolverhampton for some time today, but did not see any Excel's. Have they been withdrawn or just having a day off?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 26, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
I was in Wolverhampton for some time today, but did not see any Excel's. Have they been withdrawn or just having a day off?
684 was on the 59 then 529 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 26, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 26, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
I was in Wolverhampton for some time today, but did not see any Excel's. Have they been withdrawn or just having a day off?
They should be on the 28 aswell.
Yeah I saw one on there today.
Quote from: SMK on March 26, 2013, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 26, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 26, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
I was in Wolverhampton for some time today, but did not see any Excel's. Have they been withdrawn or just having a day off?
They should be on the 28 aswell.
Yeah I saw one on there today.
Spectras have been appearing on the 28 in the past few weeks
684,687,708,711 have been in service recently 711 on the 28 yesterday
these are all mainly used on 25/28 services
Quote from: richie on March 26, 2013, 07:45:58 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 26, 2013, 07:12:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 26, 2013, 06:31:04 PM
Quote from: Shaun on March 26, 2013, 06:12:05 PM
The T/V reg mercs just sound healthier to me, still very good buses
Maybe it's just the examples I'm familiar with then, but (and Trident 4609 can back me up here :P) 1518 which we rode Saturday before last was flying up the hills on the 244, whereas 1665 which we had last Saturday was really struggling
Yes The T reg mercs struggled up the hill on the 244 near dudley whereas 1518 the week before did seem to get up the hill easier.
The T/V reg mercs are a lot smoother and the interior is nicer, but the older ones do appear quicker.
On my recent visit (I don't get over often enough!) I tried to get a spin on as many Mercs as possible on as many different routes as I could. I got 1518 on a 246, absolute flyer! Also managed to get class leader 1515 on a 297A, again it tore along. I hadn't realised how different the interiors are from the first and second batch, completely different really in terms of ceilings, seats lighting etc. I have to say the Mercs are a very pleasant and comfortable bus to travel on, I will be sad to see them go.
4131 and 4329 on loan to BC for Metro Replacement Service.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 31, 2013, 10:52:48 PM
Will 4135,4305-12,4320 transfering to BC and 4384-5 transferring to YW in the next few weeks?
4321 has already been reported as being at BC
4306 has gone back to Walsall with a few others I believe.
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
4306 has gone back to Walsall with a few others I believe.
4306 definitely has, 4307 may be another.
Quote from: John on April 01, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
4306 has gone back to Walsall with a few others I believe.
4306 definitely has, 4307 may be another.
Not seen any reports of 4307 moving, but 4305 is back at WA
4307 still at WN. On Route 59 on saturday.
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2013, 11:53:15 AM
Quote from: John on April 01, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
4306 has gone back to Walsall with a few others I believe.
4306 definitely has, 4307 may be another.
Not seen any reports of 4307 moving, but 4305 is back at WA
Must have been 4305 I saw then!!!
Quote from: John on April 01, 2013, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2013, 11:53:15 AM
Quote from: John on April 01, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2013, 12:15:03 AM
4306 has gone back to Walsall with a few others I believe.
4306 definitely has, 4307 may be another.
Not seen any reports of 4307 moving, but 4305 is back at WA
Must have been 4305 I saw then!!!
Lynx1103's picture further up this thread:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8565565679/in/photostream/
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2013, 03:00:32 PM
Lynx1103's picture further up this thread:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8565565679/in/photostream/
Yes that it. Thanks Winston
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
Hi Jade/Daniel
1622 has been withdrawn, see fleetchanges on main site, what is this message about?
Oh, Tony. You beat me to it!
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
I'm not Daniel/Jade! My name is Lewis Anderson!! Who is Tony?
I thought alexism was Jade/Daniel :o
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
I'm not Daniel/Jade! My name is Lewis Anderson!! Who is Tony?
See that bit on the left to the messages, that's called a name.
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
I'm not Daniel/Jade! My name is Lewis Anderson!! Who is Tony?
LOL - Tony?
This site's head honcho!
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: 6013 on April 03, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
1622 due to withdrawn! 1526 keep going strong!!
I'm not Daniel/Jade! My name is Lewis Anderson!! Who is Tony?
Who is Tony? The owner/moderator of this forum, and as such I can see all email and IP addresses and because of that I can see that you, Lewis, if that is your name are using the same IP address as some one who posted on here using the name Jade, then using the name Daniel, in fact SMF actually points it out to me when I approve someone as a member. Your email address also starts Jade...@....., but don't bother leaving and rejoining with another email address as it is the IPaddress that SMF checks.
I am not! My email address: lewisanderson***@live.co.uk :S Tony never knw what my email, password and house address!! How u know If I am Jade :S
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 10:02:35 AM
I am not! My email address: lewisanderson***@live.co.uk :S Tony never knw what my email, password and house address!! How u know If I am Jade :S
He can see your IP address, which is presumably the same as Jade/Daniel & you speak the same as Jade/Daniel would ::)
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 10:02:35 AM
I am not! My email address: lewisanderson***@live.co.uk :S Tony never knw what my email, password and house address!! How u know If I am Jade :S
Don't bother trying to lie
Your IP address is 31.53.27.54,
if you want me to post your full email address I will. I can even tell you who your internet service provided is if you want, all 3 are identical to both Jade and Daniel
No I don't know what your house address or password are and don't want to, but I do know you are posting from the same place as Jade and Daniel
Disagree with u!! Don't give a Fuck! :S
Is this the jade that some people were comparing to Reiss?
Quote from: dgss1 on April 04, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
Is this the jade that some people were comparing to Reiss?
I have no idea, but their immature comments certainly don't add anything positive to this site. I enjoy logging on to this forum as most of what people have to say here is interesting and informative.
Maybe 6013 should consider closing their account and opening up another one with a better attitude?
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
What a woman lol
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Sounds like a typical Friday night on Broad Street. Did you ever go for that drink Gareth?
Quote from: Mike K on April 04, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Sounds like a typical Friday night on Broad Street. Did you ever go for that drink Gareth?
I declined. Was washing my hair or something that night.
Who is Jade and Reiss? :O
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 04, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Sounds like a typical Friday night on Broad Street. Did you ever go for that drink Gareth?
I declined. Was washing my hair or something that night.
Judging by the full email address Jade/Daniel/6013 all use I would be very careful about accepting a date. It hints and both male and female and sexual orientation
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 04:39:36 PM
Who is Jade and Reiss? :O
You know very well who Jade is, it is one of your alter egos. I have sent you off group as a message full details of what I can see, so you know I know this is all lies.
This forum isn't for silly winding people up and lies. If I get one more silly who is this or bit of lies I will post full details to the group of all of Jade, Daniel and yourself so everyone else knows it is you and then ban you.
I have tried to be fair letting you join a third time, but there will be no fourth unless you manage to get a mew ISP so SMF doesn't identify you as a repeat application
Nahh Rubbish! I am not Jade/ Daniel! I am Lewis! I dont have FB. I dont know who is Jade/Reiss/Daniel! How they know from Jade/Reiss/Daniel?
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
When I fouled mouth! I never knew that! :S U make up that?
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
When I fouled mouth! I never knew that! :S U make up that?
Well go back a page to P51 and tell us then your not foul mouthed
On other matters... Any news on the E400 swap?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 04, 2013, 04:57:12 PM
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
When I fouled mouth! I never knew that! :S U make up that?
Well go back a page to P51 and tell us then your not foul mouthed
Thank you :)
Quote from: 6013 on April 04, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Anyway, lets get back to the vehicle transfers, far more interesting! :-)
When I fouled mouth! I never knew that! :S U make up that?
I would happily screen shot all the disgusting messages you sent me, but since you are now banned from posting here, I won't waste my time or energy. Goodbye.
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 04:58:15 PM
On other matters... Any news on the E400 swap?
Nice weather we're having, etc....
Have I missed something?
Any updates of NXWM vehicles that due to be disposed and scrapped?
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 04, 2013, 07:58:25 PM
Any updates of NXWM vehicles that due to be disposed and scrapped?
Several vehicles, including all the short Excels at Pensnett are to be next to go, but I only get comprehensive lists when vehicles have left
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2013, 08:00:54 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 04, 2013, 07:58:25 PM
Any updates of NXWM vehicles that due to be disposed and scrapped?
Several vehicles, including all the short Excels at Pensnett are to be next to go, but I only get comprehensive lists when vehicles have left
I presume NX will have to have a decent clearout to make way for the withdrawals as a result of the 130 new buses entering service during the course of 2013
Quote from: Ashley on April 04, 2013, 07:51:03 PM
Have I missed something?
Not quite Eastenders or Emmerdale, but the first banning of a 'non-spambot' from this forum. ::)
Quite why Jade/Daniel/6013 chose to behave like they did is beyond me, however as someone adept with the inner workings of SMF, the ban mechanism should keep them away now. ;)
No trouble to report from him/her on my FB page yet, which is good, and I hope it stays that way. 8)
Not quite a soap opera. Just I was washing my hair and watching the clouds moving so I came on here and saw something had happened
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2013, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 04, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
Sounds like a typical Friday night on Broad Street. Did you ever go for that drink Gareth?
I declined. Was washing my hair or something that night.
Judging by the full email address Jade/Daniel/6013 all use I would be very careful about accepting a date. It hints and both male and female and sexual orientation
Maybe we should rename the thread 'Gender Transfers'.
Sorry ::)
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Reiss is harmless, it's just his comments and suggestions are somewhat questionable. From past experience, 'Jade' is a nasty, foul mouthed piece of work whose language would make a builder blush, who then after a torrent of abuse, asked me out!
To quote Roy from 'The IT Crowd' upon learning that Jen has just cost Daniel, the security guy, £31k on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, and now has to go on a date with him: "Wow, the rules on that show sure have changed!" ::)
I'd rather phone a friend :D
4320 at BC on the 957 yesterday.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 06, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
4320 at BC on the 957 yesterday.
4320/1 were transferred to BC last month.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 06, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
4320 at BC on the 957 yesterday.
Rode on 4320 yesterday and I've recorded a Vid of it on the 957 between Seven Star Road and The Olton Tavern but I won't be uploading it until at least the end of the month but it will be worth the wait ;)
Will 4305-12 go to BC or join 4305/6 at Walsall?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 06, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
Will 4305-12 go to BC or join 4305/6 at Walsall?
We will just have to wait and see!! I was surprised that 4305/6 have gone back to Walsall.
Why Would Birmingham Central gain any more Tridents. And if they did transfer there what would leave. As Walsall could take more tridents in Dispose of B10L/B6 or displace some Scania to Perry Barr/Yardley Wood to displace Volvo B10L`s there.
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 06, 2013, 10:11:34 PM
Why Would Birmingham Central gain any more Tridents. And if they did transfer there what would leave. As Walsall could take more tridents in Dispose of B10L/B6 or displace some Scania to Perry Barr/Yardley Wood to displace Volvo B10L`s there.
Did the Pvr of the 97 increase with the recent changes? That may explain why 4320/1 have moved to BC or for the Metro replacement. Other than those, there is no benefit of moving 51 plate Tridents in to BC, as they are only a year younger than the Y-reg Tridents that might replace. Plus the majority are still in TWM livery & non-refurbished
It's been confirmed Pensnett's 30 Enviro400s are now staying at Pensnett. We won't receive any Enviros from any other garages in the near future either.
It looks like some are getting new 9 branding, which is what I originally thought would happen after the old branding started being removed.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:23:01 PM
If the PE enviro400's have been debranded from the 9 and is gaining new route branding, i wonder if the 50 will have new branding aswell?
I'm not sure about the branding part just speculating but it seems more than likely.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:12:50 PM
It's been confirmed Pensnett's 30 Enviro400s are now staying at Pensnett. We won't receive any Enviros from any other garages in the near future either.
It looks like some are getting new 9 branding, which is what I originally thought would happen after the old branding started being removed.
Just glad PE are keeping there Enviros!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 08, 2013, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:12:50 PM
It's been confirmed Pensnett's 30 Enviro400s are now staying at Pensnett. We won't receive any Enviros from any other garages in the near future either.
It looks like some are getting new 9 branding, which is what I originally thought would happen after the old branding started being removed.
Just glad PE are keeping there Enviros!
They will help keep Pensnett's average age much lower
I wonder what will happen to 4816 though? Reregistration/renumbering and remain at Pensnett, or swap with one from another garage?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:23:01 PM
If the PE enviro400's have been debranded from the 9 and is gaining new route branding, i wonder if the 50 will have new branding aswell?
I'm not sure about the branding part just speculating but it seems more than likely.
I'm bet your very happy that 4813 is staying :) (Probably will be repainted/refurbed and if there will be new 9 branding then it will probably carry branding aswell).
I'm very very very happy ;D the sound of 4813 will continue to echo around Halesowen.
With regards to 4816, the general public will not even notice a change in identity, or probably even really know it was 4816 anyway, and to staff and enthusiasts, a new identity will be noticeable, and we will all know it was the bus involved in that tragic incident.
The possibility of 4698 coming to PE was very exciting. But I'm glad the 48** series Enviros are staying put :)
Quote from: Shaun on April 09, 2013, 12:15:35 AM
The possibility of 4698 coming to PE was very exciting. But I'm glad the 48** series Enviros are staying put :)
I doubt any older Enviro's will be released to Pensnett any time soon other than if the Enviro swap is ever back on he cards, many of the Birmingham garages need their double decker fleets updating, if any newer deckers do ever become available, they will not doubt be given priority over Pensnett receiving any additional double deckers. I think the best Pensnett can hope for in terms of additional deckers are Presidents or early Tridents
Or Spectras! ::) But on a more sensible note, I know it will change when WN loose their Tridents but at the moment WN have been putting double deckers on routes that really don't need them such as the 27, 27A and the 28 when a lot of PE routes do. I must have seen about 20-30 doubles on the 27, 27A over the last few weeks since the B5's entered service as I live right on the route and I could count the number of people on the top deck on all 20-30 buses on one hand, 4 to be precise, this is for the Dudley end but I'm sure its not much busier the Wolverhampton end
Quote from: wilmotm on April 09, 2013, 09:40:08 AM
Or Spectras! ::) But on a more sensible note, I know it will change when WN loose their Tridents but at the moment WN have been putting double deckers on routes that really don't need them such as the 27, 27A and the 28 when a lot of PE routes do. I must have seen about 20-30 doubles on the 27, 27A over the last few weeks since the B5's entered service as I live right on the route and I could count the number of people on the top deck on all 20-30 buses on one hand, 4 to be precise, this is for the Dudley end but I'm sure its not much busier the Wolverhampton end
I suspect the Spectra's will now see out their remaining life @ WN, not really much point transferring them anywhere else for 12-18 months.
WN isn't currently top heavy on spare buses, as it was 9 hybrids in & 8 buses out, however, of the 8 out there were 1 x B6LE, 1 x Excel & 4 x Mercs, in the interim at least the double decker proportion at WN has increased whether this is temporary only remains to be seen on what leaves when the 12 x E400H enter service
4307 now at Walsall
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 12, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
4307 now at Walsall
That's not what I was expecting.
Was it out in service?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 12, 2013, 09:34:36 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 12, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
4307 now at Walsall
Only caught it on the 59 earlier this week! Could all of 4305-12 be transfering to WA as i thought they were all going to BC with 4384/5 to YW.
Any ideas on Which Garages will get some of the E400 on order. My guess is PB and BC
It could be PB, they're expecting new buses for the Sutton Lines & the North Birmingham review
4306 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8645504231/in/photostream
4331 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8645504397/in/photostream/
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 13, 2013, 09:08:06 PM
4306 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8645504231/in/photostream
4331 at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8645504397/in/photostream/
4331 has been at Walsall for months and 4306 has been there for at least a few weeks
7127 WA-XS
Oh right, thanks :)
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
I would have thought it'd be MS or MI or something - where's the X come from exactly?
Quote from: JackC on April 16, 2013, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
I would have thought it'd be MS or MI or something - where's the X come from exactly?
I don't know for sure but I would have thought XS stands for excess as in surplus to requirements?? Like COND on railway stock = condemned (or certainly used to).
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 12, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
4307 now at Walsall
Is it possible these Tridents to Walsall are a temporary move to replace B10Ls - we now know that 8 of the imminent Coventry B7RLEs are for the 9 (Styvechale......) - leaving a further 15 - which could replace Scanias - sounds like a perfect number to split between WA and YW - moving the WN Tridents to BC or wherever - but ultimately replacing the B10Ls at those garages? Just a thought.
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
Believe it or not it dates back to stand for Selly Oak!
The codes were invented when Selly oak was the main reserve fleet depot and reserve fleet was split into different categories
XD was reserve - disposal
XH was reserve - out on hire to another operator
XS was reserve - Selly Oak
there was an XA as well, but I cannot remember what that was.
XS has stuck for reserve through all the different locations it has since been based at to currently mean Miller Street.
Wasn't one of the X code used for Hartshill when that was housing some reserve fleet too?
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
Believe it or not it dates back to stand for Selly Oak!
The codes were invented when Selly oak was the main reserve fleet depot and reserve fleet was split into different categories
XD was reserve - disposal
XH was reserve - out on hire to another operator
XS was reserve - Selly Oak
there was an XA as well, but I cannot remember what that was.
XS has stuck for reserve through all the different locations it has since been based at to currently mean Miller Street.
Adderley Street?
Quote from: don on April 16, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2013, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 16, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
XS is the 'garage code' for Miller Street.
Believe it or not it dates back to stand for Selly Oak!
The codes were invented when Selly oak was the main reserve fleet depot and reserve fleet was split into different categories
XD was reserve - disposal
XH was reserve - out on hire to another operator
XS was reserve - Selly Oak
there was an XA as well, but I cannot remember what that was.
XS has stuck for reserve through all the different locations it has since been based at to currently mean Miller Street.
Adderley Street?
Wasn't the Greenhouse @ Walsall garage still in use at the same time that Selly Oak was the main reserve storage facility?
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 16, 2013, 06:46:14 PM
7127 WA-XS
I wonder if that might end up joining 7129 back in Dundee for the June service changes / Pvr increase.
Is there any more news about 7115 + any of the others potentially being prep'd/mot'd for service in Dundee?
On my Facebook page "West Midlands Bus Users", someone who claims to work in NX network planning team has posted these little nuggets of info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248874005256716&set=o.405425496185545&type=1&comment_id=630007&offset=0&total_comments=5
For those not on Facebook:
QuoteNews the the 20 Volvo B10L/ 1400 at Perry Barr which are used on 28, 71A, 638 services are to transfer to West Bromwich, Pensnett and Walvo. West Brom will transfer 15/17 0405N's to Perry Barr for the 28 and the 638 route. Service 71A will become part of Acocks Green service who are to receive an 2 new vehicles (included in there allocation) for there the 71 services.
Then in reply to me asking whether Coventry's Omnilinks would then end up at Walsall (as had been rumoured):
QuoteNo head office thinks Boardasley & Acocks Green will have them as them 2 garages have more brake downs so that is why they get new buses over other garages. Perry Barr & West Brom never get any new allocations, as they are best performing garages for non-brakedowns. This is why Perry Barr, West Brom Walvo, Pensnett & Walsall garages get all the old crap.
I'm starting to question the validity of certain people who post on my page claiming to work for NX, this guy was fun at first for berating the stupid route suggestions being posted by one certain individual, but now he's saying that Perry Barr and Walsall get all the 'old crap' when in fact they're usually first in line to get new buses! And Bordesley to my knowledge have never actually received any new buses! ;)
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2013, 07:36:50 PM
On my Facebook page "West Midlands Bus Users", someone who claims to work in NX network planning team has posted these little nuggets of info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248874005256716&set=o.405425496185545&type=1&comment_id=630007&offset=0&total_comments=5
For those not on Facebook:
QuoteNews the the 20 Volvo B10L/ 1400 at Perry Barr which are used on 28, 71A, 638 services are to transfer to West Bromwich, Pensnett and Walvo. West Brom will transfer 15/17 0405N's to Perry Barr for the 28 and the 638 route. Service 71A will become part of Acocks Green service who are to receive an 2 new vehicles (included in there allocation) for there the 71 services.
Then in reply to me asking whether Coventry's Omnilinks would then end up at Walsall (as had been rumoured):
QuoteNo head office thinks Boardasley & Acocks Green will have them as them 2 garages have more brake downs so that is why they get new buses over other garages. Perry Barr & West Brom never get any new allocations, as they are best performing garages for non-brakedowns. This is why Perry Barr, West Brom Walvo, Pensnett & Walsall garages get all the old crap.
I'm starting to question the validity of certain people who post on my page claiming to work for NX, this guy was fun at first for berating the stupid route suggestions being posted by one certain individual, but now he's saying that Perry Barr and Walsall get all the 'old crap' when in fact they're usually first in line to get new buses! And Bordesley to my knowledge have never actually received any new buses! ;)
Doesn't Walsall actually have the second youngest fleet after Bordesley?
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2013, 07:41:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2013, 07:36:50 PM
On my Facebook page "West Midlands Bus Users", someone who claims to work in NX network planning team has posted these little nuggets of info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248874005256716&set=o.405425496185545&type=1&comment_id=630007&offset=0&total_comments=5
For those not on Facebook:
QuoteNews the the 20 Volvo B10L/ 1400 at Perry Barr which are used on 28, 71A, 638 services are to transfer to West Bromwich, Pensnett and Walvo. West Brom will transfer 15/17 0405N's to Perry Barr for the 28 and the 638 route. Service 71A will become part of Acocks Green service who are to receive an 2 new vehicles (included in there allocation) for there the 71 services.
Then in reply to me asking whether Coventry's Omnilinks would then end up at Walsall (as had been rumoured):
QuoteNo head office thinks Boardasley & Acocks Green will have them as them 2 garages have more brake downs so that is why they get new buses over other garages. Perry Barr & West Brom never get any new allocations, as they are best performing garages for non-brakedowns. This is why Perry Barr, West Brom Walvo, Pensnett & Walsall garages get all the old crap.
I'm starting to question the validity of certain people who post on my page claiming to work for NX, this guy was fun at first for berating the stupid route suggestions being posted by one certain individual, but now he's saying that Perry Barr and Walsall get all the 'old crap' when in fact they're usually first in line to get new buses! And Bordesley to my knowledge have never actually received any new buses! ;)
Doesn't Walsall actually have the second youngest fleet after Bordesley?
Exactly! And he also claims that PB's 20 B10Ls will transfer out, when they only have 15! ;D
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2013, 07:36:50 PM
On my Facebook page "West Midlands Bus Users", someone who claims to work in NX network planning team has posted these little nuggets of info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248874005256716&set=o.405425496185545&type=1&comment_id=630007&offset=0&total_comments=5
For those not on Facebook:
QuoteNews the the 20 Volvo B10L/ 1400 at Perry Barr which are used on 28, 71A, 638 services are to transfer to West Bromwich, Pensnett and Walvo. West Brom will transfer 15/17 0405N's to Perry Barr for the 28 and the 638 route. Service 71A will become part of Acocks Green service who are to receive an 2 new vehicles (included in there allocation) for there the 71 services.
Then in reply to me asking whether Coventry's Omnilinks would then end up at Walsall (as had been rumoured):
QuoteNo head office thinks Boardasley & Acocks Green will have them as them 2 garages have more brake downs so that is why they get new buses over other garages. Perry Barr & West Brom never get any new allocations, as they are best performing garages for non-brakedowns. This is why Perry Barr, West Brom Walvo, Pensnett & Walsall garages get all the old crap.
I'm starting to question the validity of certain people who post on my page claiming to work for NX, this guy was fun at first for berating the stupid route suggestions being posted by one certain individual, but now he's saying that Perry Barr and Walsall get all the 'old crap' when in fact they're usually first in line to get new buses! And Bordesley to my knowledge have never actually received any new buses! ;)
So if WB are to transfer 15/17 0405N's to PB, then the same number of B10Ls would have to be transferred to replace leaving a maximum of 5 to be transferred between PE and WN. What on earth would the point of that be, surely small allocations of buses at depots are uneconomic as the garage has to carry spares for them.
Also given the age of WBs fleet, cannot see how they would be top of the list for non breakdowns.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2013, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2013, 07:36:50 PM
On my Facebook page "West Midlands Bus Users", someone who claims to work in NX network planning team has posted these little nuggets of info:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=248874005256716&set=o.405425496185545&type=1&comment_id=630007&offset=0&total_comments=5
For those not on Facebook:
QuoteNews the the 20 Volvo B10L/ 1400 at Perry Barr which are used on 28, 71A, 638 services are to transfer to West Bromwich, Pensnett and Walvo. West Brom will transfer 15/17 0405N's to Perry Barr for the 28 and the 638 route. Service 71A will become part of Acocks Green service who are to receive an 2 new vehicles (included in there allocation) for there the 71 services.
Then in reply to me asking whether Coventry's Omnilinks would then end up at Walsall (as had been rumoured):
QuoteNo head office thinks Boardasley & Acocks Green will have them as them 2 garages have more brake downs so that is why they get new buses over other garages. Perry Barr & West Brom never get any new allocations, as they are best performing garages for non-brakedowns. This is why Perry Barr, West Brom Walvo, Pensnett & Walsall garages get all the old crap.
I'm starting to question the validity of certain people who post on my page claiming to work for NX, this guy was fun at first for berating the stupid route suggestions being posted by one certain individual, but now he's saying that Perry Barr and Walsall get all the 'old crap' when in fact they're usually first in line to get new buses! And Bordesley to my knowledge have never actually received any new buses! ;)
So if WB are to transfer 15/17 0405N's to PB, then the same number of B10Ls would have to be transferred to replace leaving a maximum of 5 to be transferred between PE and WN. What on earth would the point of that be, surely small allocations of buses at depots are uneconomic as the garage has to carry spares for them.
Also given the age of WBs fleet, cannot see how they would be top of the list for non breakdowns.
PB only have 15 B10L's left in service. What would be the point of transferring B10L in to WB now this late in their lives, they only have 12 months left at most. Even more when you consider WB has never previously operated them and they type will be unfamiliar to both drivers & engineers, who will all need type training. As for PE & WN having B10L back, again can't see it when both garages only got exchanged them for Mercs a few years earlier.
The two new B7RLE going to AG for the 71A also contradicts what BN said about 2154 going to PE
PB operate the 71A, but he claims that this will be withdrawn at the North Birmingham review, and the 71 service will incorporate the 71A service. So likely then that AG will need a couple of extra buses to accommodate, possibly Omnilinks then?
But the rest of his claims just don't add up, what would be the point of replacing clapped out B10Ls at PB with clapped out Mercs?
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2013, 07:41:40 PM
Doesn't Walsall actually have the second youngest fleet after Bordesley?
Once WN oust the older remaining Tridents & possibly the last 4 Excel, I should image WN will be near the top of that list, Pete?
WN will still be 3rd after withdrawing 4 Excels and all the older Tridents going.
BY - 5 years & 5 months
WA - 7 years & 2 months
WN - 7 years & 8 months
(approx, these figures also assuming 4308-12 go to WA to replace B10L).
Quote from: uniquicity on April 22, 2013, 10:13:30 PM
WN will still be 3rd after withdrawing 4 Excels and all the older Tridents going.
BY - 5 years & 5 months
WA - 7 years & 2 months
WN - 7 years & 8 months
(approx, these figures also assuming 4308-12 go to WA to replace B10L).
Thanks Pete, you're a star...
I knew it would be much closer between WN & WA, WA could get newer still if they end with the ex NXC Omnilinks rather than PB
Quote from: uniquicity on April 22, 2013, 10:13:30 PM
WN will still be 3rd after withdrawing 4 Excels and all the older Tridents going.
BY - 5 years & 5 months
WA - 7 years & 2 months
WN - 7 years & 8 months
(approx, these figures also assuming 4308-12 go to WA to replace B10L).
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
Doesn't BC loosing the 42-- B7TL/ALX400's date back to when LH was closed down and the 94 was transferred to PB? as PB didn't operate Tridents, the decision was made to swap LH's Tridents for BC's ALX400, PB already had an allocation of those from the same batch
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
Doesn't BC loosing the 42-- B7TL/ALX400's date back to when LH was closed down and the 94 was transferred to PB? as PB didn't operate Tridents, the decision was made to swap LH's Tridents for BC's ALX400, PB already had an allocation of those from the same batch
That's an answer. I'm finally finding out about the history of my garage as up until recently I really couldn't of gave 2 shits.
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 22, 2013, 10:13:30 PM
WN will still be 3rd after withdrawing 4 Excels and all the older Tridents going.
BY - 5 years & 5 months
WA - 7 years & 2 months
WN - 7 years & 8 months
(approx, these figures also assuming 4308-12 go to WA to replace B10L).
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
I think that was more a case of keeping different vehicle types at BC and PB to a minimum when LH closed. Instead of moving Tridents to PB for the 94, ALX B7s (a type which PB already had) moved from BC, and BC received a huge influx of Tridents. Since then BC has become Trident city.
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
Doesn't BC loosing the 42-- B7TL/ALX400's date back to when LH was closed down and the 94 was transferred to PB? as PB didn't operate Tridents, the decision was made to swap LH's Tridents for BC's ALX400, PB already had an allocation of those from the same batch
Yes basically. There were 3 extra ALX400s left at Central and those were swaped with Walsall sending Central 3 Tridents, the 3 ALX400s replacing 3 Geminis 4488-90 which went to Walsall
Ok, looks like Winston beat me to it
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on April 22, 2013, 10:13:30 PM
WN will still be 3rd after withdrawing 4 Excels and all the older Tridents going.
BY - 5 years & 5 months
WA - 7 years & 2 months
WN - 7 years & 8 months
(approx, these figures also assuming 4308-12 go to WA to replace B10L).
Ooh, I expect BC to get the older Tridents? Vast majority of our routes don't deserve newer buses. I don't understand why BC lost our B7-ALX (42XX) when they can be used, and are, being used in the city centre. This emissions things is beyond me.
I think that was more a case of keeping different vehicle types at BC and PB to a minimum when LH closed. Instead of moving Tridents to PB for the 94, ALX B7s (a type which PB already had) moved from BC, and BC received a huge influx of Tridents. Since then BC has become Trident city.
Too damn true. So boring now. Its becoming a thrill just to get a 44hundred. Damn 41's clogging up the network.
Maybe I meant 40XX?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.
I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.
But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.
But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:44:41 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.
I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?
Not neccesarily, it may be more a case that its not worth investing the money to re-engine 13/14 year old Presidents when they are well over half way through their service lives. The years of service they have left will not be enough to recoup the cost in maintainence/fuel efficiency savings. NX policy seems to be favouring buying new buses rather the refurbishing/re-engineering the existing fleet.
You'll notice that of the latter Tridents to be re-engined with Euro 5- engines, they all have all been 54 plate 46-- examples, the Y-reg examples initially treated were deemed too old to recoup the cost of the work, I thought I saw in Routeone or somewhere that each bus was costing NX £30k to re-engine?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:44:41 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.
I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 22, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?
Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc
And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.
But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.
All of NXWM's Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.
But what about the 42xx engines?
And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above
Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above
Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?
Is AdBlue Euro5 then? Or did 4586 have Euro4 from new or refurbed mate?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:56:11 PM
Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.
But what about the 42xx engines?
And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?
No the emission ruling in B'ham City Centre is minimum Euro 3 on high frequency services, all NXWM's double deck fleet comply except Spectras & Presidents. If the service is at a half hourly frequency earlier non Euro 3 buses such as Presidents (AG 73) or Mercs WB (83) are acceptable
42-- ALX400 are all Euro 3
Although to re-engine buses does extend their lives, you would need to take in account the condition of other major components, the chassis & body structure before determining whether its a viable option to spend ten sof thousand of pounds on a 10 year + older vehicle
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 10:56:11 PM
Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.
But what about the 42xx engines?
And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?
No the emission ruling in B'ham City Centre is minimum Euro 3 on high frequency services, all NXWM's double deck fleet comply except Spectras & Presidents. If the service is at a half hourly frequency earlier non Euro 3 buses such as Presidents (AG 73) or Mercs WB (83) are acceptable
42-- ALX400 are all Euro 3
Although to re-engine buses does extend their lives, you would need to take in account the condition of other major components, the chassis & body structure before determining whether its a viable option to spend ten sof thousand of pounds on a 10 year + older vehicle
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:02:59 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above
Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?
Is AdBlue Euro5 then? Or did 4586 have Euro4 from new or refurbed mate?
4586 & 4186 had Euro 4 engines fitted as replacements with Adblue
Whilst the other Y-reg & 54 plate Tridents at BC have be re-engined with the Euro 5 - combination
I've got 4148, 4166, 4172, 4176-9, 4185, 4613?, 4619, 4633 & 4634 as re-engined with Euro 5-. I thought the article in Routeone stated 30 Tridents would be treated, that makes 12 to date unless I'm missing any? I haven't seen or heard of any more being re-engined for a while now
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)
I have a keen interest in the NX group
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)
I have a keen interest in the NX group
Hahaha you're funny as well!
OK, one for you, do we have any buses in our fleet that are nearing the same age as Metrobuses?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)
I have a keen interest in the NX group
Hahaha you're funny as well!
OK, one for you, do we have any buses in our fleet that are nearing the same age as Metrobuses?
Funny in the head maybe :-\
Not that I'm aware of, the oldest buses are the last two D-reg Metrobus trainers which date back to 1986, the oldest service buses are P-reg B6LE & B10L new in 1996
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)
I have a keen interest in the NX group
Hahaha you're funny as well!
OK, one for you, do we have any buses in our fleet that are nearing the same age as Metrobuses?
Funny in the head maybe :-\
Not that I'm aware of, the oldest buses are the last two D-reg Metrobus trainers which date back to 1986, the oldest service buses are P-reg B6LE & B10L new in 1996
Don't forget 3225
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 11:22:15 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:11:25 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:06:35 PM
You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?
I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.
No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)
I have a keen interest in the NX group
Hahaha you're funny as well!
OK, one for you, do we have any buses in our fleet that are nearing the same age as Metrobuses?
Funny in the head maybe :-\
Not that I'm aware of, the oldest buses are the last two D-reg Metrobus trainers which date back to 1986, the oldest service buses are P-reg B6LE & B10L new in 1996
Don't forget 3225
No but I mean in service everyday. And that 3225 won't be around for much longer the chassis is rotting.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 11:22:15 PM
Don't forget 3225
Didn't include that as its preserved & only comes out on special occasions
BCmobile FYI http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/3225-3614/3225.html
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 22, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.
That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above
Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?
Some of the BC tridents have been fitted with euro 4. 4586 is the only WN that is fitted with euro 4 although i think it originally had Euro 3
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Good good..
I will still like to see an early Trident to get scrapped. If you drive them you'll know why.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Good good..
I will still like to see an early Trident to get scrapped. If you drive them you'll know why.
I don't drive them, so tell me, why? :P
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Good good..
I will still like to see an early Trident to get scrapped. If you drive them you'll know why.
I don't drive them, so tell me, why? :P
Oh yeah lol..
Brakes only work if you stand on the pedal, you need to be Arnold to turn the steering wheel, the things are falling apart and are extremely slow at pulling off. The interlock aren't sensitive enough and the doors take half a year to close. The seats are uncomfortable and you can't ever get a good position. Some of the steering wheels you can't adjust and the pedals are at a right angle to your foot. You'll get severe cramp in your right knee and your left shoulder will ache after a trip cause the steering is crap. The wipers are always perished and the lights might as well be candles. The mirror arms are either loose or out at a 45° angle and the retarder is useless. Interior lighting seems dim and the lack of CCTV screen in cab is annoying. Show them a gradient and you'll be lucky to get 20mph out of them. Even after extensive refurbishment they're still crap. An old 44xx is much better then them. Anything else?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Good good..
I will still like to see an early Trident to get scrapped. If you drive them you'll know why.
I don't drive them, so tell me, why? :P
Oh yeah lol..
Brakes only work if you stand on the pedal, you need to be Arnold to turn the steering wheel, the things are falling apart and are extremely slow at pulling off. The interlock aren't sensitive enough and the doors take half a year to close. The seats are uncomfortable and you can't ever get a good position. Some of the steering wheels you can't adjust and the pedals are at a right angle to your foot. You'll get severe cramp in your right knee and your left shoulder will ache after a trip cause the steering is crap. The wipers are always perished and the lights might as well be candles. The mirror arms are either loose or out at a 45° angle and the retarder is useless. Interior lighting seems dim and the lack of CCTV screen in cab is annoying. Show them a gradient and you'll be lucky to get 20mph out of them. Even after extensive refurbishment they're still crap. An old 44xx is much better then them. Anything else?
I must admit I have never been a fan of the older tridents although I love the modern ones, 53 plate onwards generally. I'm not sure which is slower, a 51 plate trident, or a B7 ALX of the same age!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
No it's not too bad! I quite like 502, its better than some of Pensnett's S reg Mercs which do really look their 15 years
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 22, 2013, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 22, 2013, 11:25:14 PM
No but I mean in service everyday.
Dundee's oldest service buses are also 1996 P-reg B10L
Oldest buses in Dundee's fleet are N-reg 1366 B10B trainer & N-reg trainer 7419 former Travel Yourbus DAF/Ikarus
I believe the oldest service bus in the nxwm fleet is 502, it will be 17 years old in September.
And showing it!
Older then most the people on this forum!
Than two people you mean lol.
A bit of jest my friend.
Don't worry I know ;)
Good good..
I will still like to see an early Trident to get scrapped. If you drive them you'll know why.
I don't drive them, so tell me, why? :P
Oh yeah lol..
Brakes only work if you stand on the pedal, you need to be Arnold to turn the steering wheel, the things are falling apart and are extremely slow at pulling off. The interlock aren't sensitive enough and the doors take half a year to close. The seats are uncomfortable and you can't ever get a good position. Some of the steering wheels you can't adjust and the pedals are at a right angle to your foot. You'll get severe cramp in your right knee and your left shoulder will ache after a trip cause the steering is crap. The wipers are always perished and the lights might as well be candles. The mirror arms are either loose or out at a 45° angle and the retarder is useless. Interior lighting seems dim and the lack of CCTV screen in cab is annoying. Show them a gradient and you'll be lucky to get 20mph out of them. Even after extensive refurbishment they're still crap. An old 44xx is much better then them. Anything else?
I must admit I have never been a fan of the older tridents although I love the modern ones, 53 plate onwards generally. I'm not sure which is slower, a 51 plate trident, or a B7 ALX of the same age!
I'm sure I've got DVT due to those buses..
Hmm.. I'll say 51 plated Trident is slower, generally. From my personal experience B7 Volvos rev higher and pick up speed from a standstill better. There seems to be so much lag from old Tridents. Again, personally, I couldn't fault the B7-ALX's, the brakes were smoother, light steering and all in all a better bus, in my opinion. The only thing is they looked old even when new, with a high fascia and round rear window. Still the better looking bus out the two. Definitely a drivers bus I'd say.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 10:38:37 PM
I think Matt is referring to 502 being really slow. We caught it on the 244 the other week and it just about got around hayley green. I could walk faster than what speed 502 was going at.
502 has never been a fast B6, followed it up Barrs Road the other day, took for ever, then when it turned into Valley Road, struggled to get away. 508 is far superior in my eyes.
Anyone had the unfortunate pleasure to be near 638? That was, by far, the slowest bus I have ever driven in my entire life. I believe it has been raped all over the black country prior to us having it for 9 long months (Subtle joke there..). Luckily I dont remember when this particular heap was new. Well I wouldn't, cause it was West Brom's to begin with.
638 is at WN so i see it regually.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 24, 2013, 03:59:20 PM
638 is at WN so i see it regually.
Unfortunately for you!! Did they do any work on it?
Doesn't look like it. I wouldn't know as i don't work for NX.
I know but it should be obvious. Whats the usual route allocation of this vehicle, 4609?
555 is by far the fastest and best B6 I've been on. It absolutely flies, I don't know what people like about 508 as it seems feeble in comparison and sounds boring
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
555 is by far the fastest and best B6 I've been on. It absolutely flies, I don't know what people like about 508 as it seems feeble in comparison and sounds boring
And 600's a good one, was fairly sad when that one left PE
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Anyone had the unfortunate pleasure to be near 638? That was, by far, the slowest bus I have ever driven in my entire life. I believe it has been raped all over the black country prior to us having it for 9 long months (Subtle joke there..). Luckily I dont remember when this particular heap was new. Well I wouldn't, cause it was West Brom's to begin with.
Drove it at Walsall. Not the best of B6. But 639/640 great buses .
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 24, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Anyone had the unfortunate pleasure to be near 638? That was, by far, the slowest bus I have ever driven in my entire life. I believe it has been raped all over the black country prior to us having it for 9 long months (Subtle joke there..). Luckily I dont remember when this particular heap was new. Well I wouldn't, cause it was West Brom's to begin with.
Drove it at Walsall. Not the best of B6. But 639/640 great buses .
They are all crap!!! slow, underpowered, won't go up hills, unreliable, faulty buzzers & gauges, uncomfortable seating position, won't go round bends.....but I kinda like em for some reason.....
Hands up who named 620 'Spirit'????? I love that and think it sums these dreadfull buses up they have plenty of spirit (stick with me on this son) it's like the're the last fighting survivers of the 'real' bus era it's like the O405N's they are turning plastic but still smell of diesel and leave oil everywhere.
Gone or going are those days...In the future I don't think it will be so painful watching a Wright bodied B5 getting crushed or see one rotting in a field!!
Quote from: 4006 on April 24, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 24, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Anyone had the unfortunate pleasure to be near 638? That was, by far, the slowest bus I have ever driven in my entire life. I believe it has been raped all over the black country prior to us having it for 9 long months (Subtle joke there..). Luckily I dont remember when this particular heap was new. Well I wouldn't, cause it was West Brom's to begin with.
Drove it at Walsall. Not the best of B6. But 639/640 great buses .
They are all crap!!! slow, underpowered, won't go up hills, unreliable, faulty buzzers & gauges, uncomfortable seating position, won't go round bends.....but I kinda like em for some reason.....
Hands up who named 620 'Spirit'????? I love that and think it sums these dreadfull buses up they have plenty of spirit (stick with me on this son) it's like the're the last fighting survivers of the 'real' bus era it's like the O405N's they are turning plastic but still smell of diesel and leave oil everywhere.
Gone or going are those days...In the future I don't think it will be so painful watching a Wright bodied B5 getting crushed or see one rotting in a field!!
Well 555 is one of my favourite buses in the whole fleet. B6s have more personality than any B7.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 07:59:33 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 24, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 24, 2013, 05:39:22 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Anyone had the unfortunate pleasure to be near 638? That was, by far, the slowest bus I have ever driven in my entire life. I believe it has been raped all over the black country prior to us having it for 9 long months (Subtle joke there..). Luckily I dont remember when this particular heap was new. Well I wouldn't, cause it was West Brom's to begin with.
Drove it at Walsall. Not the best of B6. But 639/640 great buses .
They are all crap!!! slow, underpowered, won't go up hills, unreliable, faulty buzzers & gauges, uncomfortable seating position, won't go round bends.....but I kinda like em for some reason.....
Hands up who named 620 'Spirit'????? I love that and think it sums these dreadfull buses up they have plenty of spirit (stick with me on this son) it's like the're the last fighting survivers of the 'real' bus era it's like the O405N's they are turning plastic but still smell of diesel and leave oil everywhere.
Gone or going are those days...In the future I don't think it will be so painful watching a Wright bodied B5 getting crushed or see one rotting in a field!!
Well 555 is one of my favourite buses in the whole fleet. B6s have more personality than any B7.
I liked 501 :(. But I agree, they do have a lot more of a personality than the B7RLE
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on April 24, 2013, 05:34:18 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
555 is by far the fastest and best B6 I've been on. It absolutely flies, I don't know what people like about 508 as it seems feeble in comparison and sounds boring
And 600's a good one, was fairly sad when that one left PE
Was really sad when 600/1 left PE as they had been there since Travel Merry Hill days
508 and 555 are both screaming catss i think, 502 had a worn diff last time i had it, added to that the PE driver who likes overevving B6s, hellfire.
As for the WN ones, 638 is the smartest looking one, havent had it since its Walsall days so thatd be just after its refurb in 2011, if i remember it had the metal seat backs at the point which ruined the new interior, 600 and 639 are two of the best B6s.
Got a lot of love for the B7 ALX, as for older Tridents, i had 4343 on an evening 50 last night, smooth as silk it was, BCMobile you may have drove that one, I mean we didnt top 20 mph and the moseley road is alot smoother than it was, much prefer 41s 42s and 43 tridents plus 4565-84.
The Tridents that have been re engined as far as I know are... 4148 4166 4172 4178 4179 4185 4186 4586 4619 4624 4630 4633 4634, If I remember when we dicussed this when the route one article came out, I think was to re engine 4610 - 4634
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 24, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
The Tridents that have been re engined as far as I know are... 4148 4166 4172 4178 4179 4185 4186 4586 4619 4624 4630 4633 4634, If I remember when we dicussed this when the route one article came out, I think was to re engine 4610 - 4634
4177 aka 'Julie' has definitely been re-engined
Quote from: Winston on April 24, 2013, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 24, 2013, 08:50:20 PM
The Tridents that have been re engined as far as I know are... 4148 4166 4172 4178 4179 4185 4186 4586 4619 4624 4630 4633 4634, If I remember when we dicussed this when the route one article came out, I think was to re engine 4610 - 4634
4177 aka 'Julie' has definitely been re-engined
Yes it has.
Also 4166 and 4186 were already done at Wolverhampton. These were done along with 4586, which also has the extra filler cap lower down, a good few years before these.
I dont think ive followed Julies progress I apoligise but if I missed her out then thsnk you for pointing it out Winston
4586 was on the 59 today. Sounds exactly like an enviro 400
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 24, 2013, 08:59:21 PM
I dont think ive followed Julies progress I apoligise but if I missed her out then thsnk you for pointing it out Winston
Julie was re-engined at the same time as being refurbished/repainted allover red some time ago now
Bit of a rarity that 4586 is on a route that isn't the 126
4309 now at Walsall
Just waiting now for 4308
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 25, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
4309 now at Walsall
Just waiting now for 4308
4308 still in service at WN on the 59 today.
4384 now at YW. It was on the 6 today in Solihull.
Been there since last week mate.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 25, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
4309 now at Walsall
Just waiting now for 4308
4308 still in service at WN on the 59 today.
Should be there by tomorrow
BN, Where is 4135 going to? Has 4385 gone yet and where are 4310/11/12 going?
4135 and 4311 were on the 126 today
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 25, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
4135 and 4311 were on the 126 today
Yes i know they are at WN still but thanks for the info anyway :D
I was asking where they will transfer to?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 25, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
4135 and 4311 were on the 126 today
Yes i know they are at WN still but thanks for the info anyway :D
I was asking where they will transfer to?
I would hazard a guess at either BC - they always seem to require tridents, or YW - to replace presidents or B10Ls
Quote from: Shaun on April 25, 2013, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 25, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
4135 and 4311 were on the 126 today
Yes i know they are at WN still but thanks for the info anyway :D
I was asking where they will transfer to?
I would hazard a guess at either BC - they always seem to require tridents, or YW - to replace presidents or B10Ls
4135 will no doubt end up at BC, the dumping ground for ageing Tridents. I believe BC Mobile can't get enough of them.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
BN, Where is 4135 going to? Has 4385 gone yet and where are 4310/11/12 going?
Nowhere, why ask about these and not the other 198?
Quote from: Mike K on April 25, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 25, 2013, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on April 25, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
4135 and 4311 were on the 126 today
Yes i know they are at WN still but thanks for the info anyway :D
I was asking where they will transfer to?
I would hazard a guess at either BC - they always seem to require tridents, or YW - to replace presidents or B10Ls
4135 will no doubt end up at BC, the dumping ground for ageing Tridents. I believe BC Mobile can't get enough of them.
No comment!
Although anything from YW seems worse then any other garage.
Is WN's Trydonts the ones with the small mirrors? look like they've been taken off a metro.
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
BN, Where is 4135 going to? Has 4385 gone yet and where are 4310/11/12 going?
Nowhere, why ask about these and not the other 198?
Sorry! I was only asking as i thought all the older tridents at WN would be transferred elsewher after the hybrids enter service.
Whar do you mean by the other 198? 198 What?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 26, 2013, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
BN, Where is 4135 going to? Has 4385 gone yet and where are 4310/11/12 going?
Nowhere, why ask about these and not the other 198?
Sorry! I was only asking as i thought all the older tridents at WN would be transferred elsewher after the hybrids enter service.
Whar do you mean by the other 198? 198 What?
It was an exaggeration about the number of the other Tridents in service at WN.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on April 26, 2013, 09:56:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 26, 2013, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2013, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
BN, Where is 4135 going to? Has 4385 gone yet and where are 4310/11/12 going?
Nowhere, why ask about these and not the other 198?
Sorry! I was only asking as i thought all the older tridents at WN would be transferred elsewher after the hybrids enter service.
Whar do you mean by the other 198? 198 What?
It was an exaggeration about the number of the other Tridents in service at WN.
198 plus the buses you mentioned gives WN total number of vehicles 203
BN - is there any clue what has been replaced by the 12 E400Hs - or are they still 'bedding in'?! There was some comment in the hybrid thread about reliability.
Quote from: don on April 27, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
BN - is there any clue what has been replaced by the 12 E400Hs - or are they still 'bedding in'?! There was some comment in the hybrid thread about reliability.
Well 4305-9 have transferred back to WA , 4320/1 to BC and 4384/5 to YW.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 27, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: don on April 27, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
BN - is there any clue what has been replaced by the 12 E400Hs - or are they still 'bedding in'?! There was some comment in the hybrid thread about reliability.
Well 4305-9 have transferred back to WA , 4320/1 to BC and 4384/5 to YW.
4305/6 transferred from WN -WA in March, as did 4320/1 WN- BC those at least transferred as a result of the Volvo B5 Hybrids entering service, 4307 may also have moved across from WN - WA in early April prior to the E400H entering service.
The only transfers I've seen reported since the E400H entered service at WN are 4308/9 WN - WA & 4384 WN - YW, there could be another 9 to be withdrawn/transferred elsewhere yet, plus from Sunday the X1 is withdrawn reducing WN's pvr by a further 2 buses.
Quote from: Winston on April 27, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 27, 2013, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: don on April 27, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
BN - is there any clue what has been replaced by the 12 E400Hs - or are they still 'bedding in'?! There was some comment in the hybrid thread about reliability.
Well 4305-9 have transferred back to WA , 4320/1 to BC and 4384/5 to YW.
4305/6 transferred from WN -WA in March, as did 4320/1 WN- BC those at least transferred as a result of the Volvo B5 Hybrids entering service, 4307 may also have moved across from WN - WA in early April prior to the E400H entering service.
The only transfers I've seen reported since the E400H entered service at WN are 4308/9 WN - WA & 4384 WN - YW, there could be another 9 to be withdrawn/transferred elsewhere yet, plus from Sunday the X1 is withdrawn reducing WN's pvr by a further 2 buses.
Just to add insult to injury for the poor X1, the posters on the bus state that alternative links from Dudley to Merry Hill can be found by the X96, no mention of the 255 Wolverhampton to Merry Hill link showing just how unsuccessful the first leg was, as for the Dudley to Merry Hill section this was usually quite full with X96 passengers however the return Merry Hill to Dudley section was never as successful, probably because it displayed Wolverhampton
Passengers have plenty of options to spend over an hour getting from Wolves to Merry Hill on buses this is why the X1 didn't work on the other hand the x99 (as I recall 45mins to MH) although poorly advertised and only running for a short period did not see much custom either. Against my opinion maybe a 'quick' 'quicker' or limited stop from wolves to MH is not required afterall or maybe It should have been advertised better?
Watch out new route next year X2 W-ton to M.Hill lol :P
Quote from: 4006 on April 27, 2013, 10:03:25 PM
Passengers have plenty of options to spend over an hour getting from Wolves to Merry Hill on buses this is why the X1 didn't work on the other hand the x99 (as I recall 45mins to MH) although poorly advertised and only running for a short period did not see much custom either. Against my opinion maybe a 'quick' 'quicker' or limited stop from wolves to MH is not required afterall or maybe It should have been advertised better?
Watch out new route next year X2 W-ton to M.Hill lol :P
X99 may well have been quicker, but it did seem a long-winded route and the two times I caught it when it ran it was half an hour late
21 new hybrids in and losses are already:
1543, 1545, 1546, 1549, 1690, 1691, 1692 and the deckers you have mentioned and the rest of the excels
Walsall Garage
With Dennis Tridents 4305-4309 arriving from Wolverhampton
7127-Withdrawn
7128-Withdrawn
516-Possible Withdrawn (once 4308 in Service)
648-Possible Withdrawn (Once 4309 in Service)
hasn't wn already lost a b6 recently transferred too?
Quote from: mranon on April 28, 2013, 03:00:11 PM
hasn't wn already lost a b6 recently transferred too?
596 was withdrawn from Wolverhampton last month
810 now at West Brom and on the 5 today!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8693261876
7127 and 7128 now back at Dundee as reported on Dundee forum
Quote from: Kiewii on April 29, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
7127 and 7128 now back at Dundee as reported on Dundee forum
That was quick
Quote from: Winston on April 29, 2013, 08:36:29 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on April 29, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
7127 and 7128 now back at Dundee as reported on Dundee forum
That was quick
another 360 mile journey for both of them, surely transferring buses between Birmingham and Dundee can't make money sense.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
another 360 mile journey for both of them, surely transferring buses between Birmingham and Dundee can't make money sense.
How fast can a B10L go? Can it manage motorway speeds?
Can not imagine it was a very quick journey either!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 29, 2013, 08:36:29 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on April 29, 2013, 07:42:25 PM
7127 and 7128 now back at Dundee as reported on Dundee forum
That was quick
another 360 mile journey for both of them, surely transferring buses between Birmingham and Dundee can't make money sense.
Tony mentioned that those two still had the highest book value, so its either pay the cost of transferring them up to Dundee to earn their keep a bit longer or put them in reserve long term or scrap then and right of the book value, as there doesn't really seem much interest in any other operators buying second-hand B10L's
Quote from: John on April 29, 2013, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
another 360 mile journey for both of them, surely transferring buses between Birmingham and Dundee can't make money sense.
How fast can a B10L go? Can it manage motorway speeds?
Can not imagine it was a very quick journey either!!
Not totally sure but should imagine they may be restricted to around 45mph ish?
EX TWM /TD DD COACHES N125/6 YRW ARE UP FOR SALE .YOU CAN SEE THEM ON DREW WILSONS COACH SALES WEB SITE
BY THE LOOK OF IT 7127 HAD TO BE TOWED IN TO THE GARAGE .
4120 IN DUNDEE TONIGHT .
Quote from: JIM C on May 01, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
4120 IN DUNDEE TONIGHT .
Thought I hadn't seen 4120 for a while ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 01, 2013, 07:38:47 PM
Quote from: JIM C on May 01, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
4120 IN DUNDEE TONIGHT .
Thought I hadn't seen 4120 for a while ;)
I liked 4120. Looked a lot smarter than the rest at Yarley wood with it having a second refurb.
Quote from: JIM C on May 01, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
4120 IN DUNDEE TONIGHT .
No doubt 4121 & 4122 will not be far behind
When did that happen? I saw 4120 friday morning at the maypole
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 01, 2013, 08:59:21 PM
4308 now at Walsall
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74108043@N06/8698996937/in/photostream
Happened almost a week ago.
7019 now at PB just seen it on the 65 at Priory Queensway
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 02, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
7019 now at PB just seen it on the 65 at Priory Queensway
Possibly replaced by 2123 from BC?
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 02, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
7019 now at PB just seen it on the 65 at Priory Queensway
Think I remember seeing it on the 46 yesterday by Snow Hill
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 02, 2013, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 02, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
7019 now at PB just seen it on the 65 at Priory Queensway
Think I remember seeing it on the 46 yesterday by Snow Hill
This might finally mean the end for 1480
4385 on the 49 today
4121 now at Dundee
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
4121 now at Dundee
With 4120-22 now left Yardley Wood, and only 4384-4385 going there from Wolverhampton, will another Trident move to Yardley Wood to replace the third President, or has another one moved already?
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
4121 now at Dundee
With 4120-22 now left Yardley Wood, and only 4384-4385 going there from Wolverhampton, will another Trident move to Yardley Wood to replace the third President, or has another one moved already?
Are you meaning 4122 has left the West Midlands? Haven't heard any news that it is up here yet
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
Are you meaning 4122 has left the West Midlands? Haven't heard any news that it is up here yet
Not quite, I was meaning that it will soon be leaving, if not already
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
4121 now at Dundee
With 4120-22 now left Yardley Wood, and only 4384-4385 going there from Wolverhampton, will another Trident move to Yardley Wood to replace the third President, or has another one moved already?
John,
You may find 4135 or 4312 may move to BC & release a 52 plate Trident to YW to allow 4122 to move to Dundee
Quote from: Winston on May 02, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
John,
You may find 4135 or 4312 may move to BC & release a 52 plate Trident to YW to allow 4122 to move to Dundee
Ah right, thanks Winston :)
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
Are you meaning 4122 has left the West Midlands? Haven't heard any news that it is up here yet
Not quite, I was meaning that it will soon be leaving, if not already
4122 on 49 this evening.
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 06:03:19 PM
Are you meaning 4122 has left the West Midlands? Haven't heard any news that it is up here yet
Not quite, I was meaning that it will soon be leaving, if not already
Ah okay, thanks John
Quote from: Winston on May 02, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
4121 now at Dundee
With 4120-22 now left Yardley Wood, and only 4384-4385 going there from Wolverhampton, will another Trident move to Yardley Wood to replace the third President, or has another one moved already?
John,
You may find 4135 or 4312 may move to BC & release a 52 plate Trident to YW to allow 4122 to move to Dundee
Why 4312? what about 10 or 11
Quote from: BN on May 03, 2013, 08:30:18 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 02, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 02, 2013, 05:45:50 PM
4121 now at Dundee
With 4120-22 now left Yardley Wood, and only 4384-4385 going there from Wolverhampton, will another Trident move to Yardley Wood to replace the third President, or has another one moved already?
John,
You may find 4135 or 4312 may move to BC & release a 52 plate Trident to YW to allow 4122 to move to Dundee
Why 4312? what about 10 or 11
Because whoever is in charge of deciding transfers seems to like recreating blocks of fleetnumbers & BC already has
4313 onwards
7127/8 now in service at Dundee
7127 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/8704151009/in/photostream
7128 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/8704155319/in/photostream/
The full list of April transfers in now on the front page of the main site
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 02, 2013, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on May 02, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
7019 now at PB just seen it on the 65 at Priory Queensway
Think I remember seeing it on the 46 yesterday by Snow Hill
This might finally mean the end for 1480
Maybe not then! :D
Looks like the whole training fleet is going to be merc's then
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 03, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
Looks like the whole training fleet is going to be merc's then
Do we take it from further mark II Mercs being withdrawn for conversion to driver trainers & the repaint/refurb'd programme at Pensnett of theirs now appearing to have been suspended or ceased that NXWM policy of retaining the mark II batch longer has now changed?
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 03, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
Looks like the whole training fleet is going to be merc's then
I Would like Volvo B10L in Tranning Fleet
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 04, 2013, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 03, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
Looks like the whole training fleet is going to be merc's then
I Would like Volvo B10L in Tranning Fleet
Is it a case NX are selecting Mercs as they are powerful / can have a higher top end speed when taking PSV tests
586 & 662 transferred to NX West Midlands garage!
Quote from: 6013 on May 17, 2013, 05:03:29 PM
586 & 662 transferred to NX West Midlands garage!
Which?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 17, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: 6013 on May 17, 2013, 05:03:29 PM
586 & 662 transferred to NX West Midlands garage!
Which?
Probably WN to Withdraw the last couple of Excels
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 17, 2013, 05:54:28 PM
Probably WN to Withdraw the last couple of Excels
Maybe, as there are only 2 Excels left in service.
Or an idea I have had, send 586 and 662 plus another one as a spare Perry Barr to replace the last Solo's there on the 654. They have been on there in the past on loan from either Walsall, West Brom or Birmingham Central.
650 WA-Withdrawn
It wasn't withdrawn a year ago, 651 and 649 were withdrawn a year or so ago but 650 a good B6LE last until yesterday, sad to see this one go
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 21, 2013, 05:57:52 PM
It wasn't withdrawn a year ago, 651 and 649 were withdrawn a year or so ago but 650 a good B6LE last until yesterday, sad to see this one go
Both Tony's fleetlist and a Flickr photo description say it was withdrawn May 2012
A tony typo lead to incorrect info on flickr clearly because I've got my own photos of it after may 2012
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 21, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
A tony typo lead to incorrect info on flickr clearly because I've got my own photos of it after may 2012
Ok ok, just saying that's why I thought it'd already been withdrawn!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 21, 2013, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 21, 2013, 05:57:52 PM
It wasn't withdrawn a year ago, 651 and 649 were withdrawn a year or so ago but 650 a good B6LE last until yesterday, sad to see this one go
Both Tony's fleetlist and a Flickr photo description say it was withdrawn May 2012
My fleetlist doesn't! It has it at WA and the vehicle history on the photo page just says New to Walsall garage 11/98
Oh dear, I appear to have got 560 and 650 mixed up... sorry about that :-[
We'll let you off, wasn't a fan of 560 personally
662 now at PL on service 27 today.
B10L 1435 has now been withdrawn from WA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/8812176378/in/set-72157630540103342
Merc 1517 has now been withdrawn from PN
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/8812183240/in/set-72157630540103342
Both are now parked in the scrappers line-up at Miller Street
Additionally B10L 7115 looks as though it may be ready to head to Dundee soon for service
Why have 1517 and 1435 been withdrawn? I thought refurbished mercs were safe from the chop at this moment in time
Sad times seeing the B10Ls getting cannibalised :(
Any news where EX-Coventry Scania are going
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 27, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
Any news where EX-Coventry Scania are going
Nothing definite, both PB & WA have been suggested as the likely recipients to replace further B10L's
They are being repainted first arent they?
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
They are being repainted first arent they?
Would have thought so, but none have been withdrawn from Coventry as yet
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 26, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
Why have 1517 and 1435 been withdrawn?
Because they are old & worn out! why most vehicles get withdrawn.
Quote from: Winston on May 27, 2013, 03:31:39 PM
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
They are being repainted first arent they?
Would have thought so, but none have been withdrawn from Coventry as yet
Today I saw Coventry garage are full buses in garage because too many new buses at here. 5 Double decker/ one single decker bit tight in bendibuses park. 6018 in Coventry garage because there have no space in outside. 586 still with nxwm livery at Coventry garage for awaiting collect it. Mercs and Scanias will start withdrawn/Transferred in next months.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 26, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
Why have 1517 and 1435 been withdrawn? I thought refurbished mercs were safe from the chop at this moment in time
Wonder if 1517 will make a comeback if 508 is a right off which i am sure it will be.
Presume repair budgets for the B6s are quite small.
Does anyone know when the PB/YW B1OL's will be withdrawn ?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 27, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
Wonder if 1517 will make a comeback if 508 is a right off which i am sure it will be.
Presume repair budgets for the B6s are quite small.
I doubt it Stu, as it's parked in the scrappers line at Miller St with a few parts already removed from the front. I suspect 1517 may be there due to a major component failure or something else terminal. I would have thought higher priority would be given to disposing of the non refurbished Mercs from Pensnett first
If Pensnett do need a replacement bus there a few refurbished B6LE is reserve or alternatively one of the latest Mercs withdrawal from WN earmarked to become a trainer could be re-instated to PN (i.e. 1687-9)
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
Quote from: Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
Yes, there's all that lot coming free.
Plus forgot earlier the 222 is being reduced in frequency from 9th June, so there should be a spare Enviro 200 free if Pn can muddle though for another two weeks
Quote from: Winston on May 27, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
Yes, there's all that lot coming free.
Plus forgot earlier the 222 is being reduced in frequency from 9th June, so there should be a spare Enviro 200 free if Pn can muddle though for another two weeks
Also the 289 shortening saves 1 bus.
Quote from: Winston on May 27, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
Yes, there's all that lot coming free.
Plus forgot earlier the 222 is being reduced in frequency from 9th June, so there should be a spare Enviro 200 free if Pn can muddle though for another two weeks
The reduction in frequency in the 222 won't bring up a spare bus as its to add time to the route also there are a couple of journeys were the frequency is 12 minutes between daytime and peak service on the new timetable so I would assume the branding won't be altered
Quote from: richie on May 27, 2013, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 27, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
Yes, there's all that lot coming free.
Plus forgot earlier the 222 is being reduced in frequency from 9th June, so there should be a spare Enviro 200 free if Pn can muddle though for another two weeks
The reduction in frequency in the 222 won't bring up a spare bus as its to add time to the route also there are a couple of journeys were the frequency is 12 minutes between daytime and peak service on the new timetable so I would assume the branding won't be altered
Thanks for the confirmation Rich, have you seen how bad the damage to 508 is?
Quote from: Winston on May 27, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ash on May 27, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
One of the withdrawn coventry mercs could be transferred as a temporary replacement may be 1547
if Pn can muddle though for another two weeks
Pensnett always seem to muddle through, with a lot of ageing buses, some of the most demanding routes and a desperate need for a few more deckers, so sure loosing a B6 won't be too much of a problem, what is the PVR of the 243/244 anyway?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 27, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
Pensnett always seem to muddle through, with a lot of ageing buses, some of the most demanding routes and a desperate need for a few more deckers, so sure loosing a B6 won't be too much of a problem, what is the PVR of the 243/244 anyway?
No idea on the 243/244 Pvr, either way both routes can take Mercs in any case, so as you say with 508 potentially biting the dust, is not really a big deal.....
I'll second that, PN receiving some further double deckers, I think any further new / used Enviro 400 are unlikely, but some refurbished Tridents would be a bonus as an interim measure and could also be used within B'ham City Centre
Ash- 1547 still working around in coventry at today!
Yes but 1547 im sure will be in line to be one of the next mercs to be withdrawn from coventry i was just using it as an example
WN Excel 711 is now withdrawn & has joined the reserve fleet at Pensnett
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2013, 11:28:57 AM
WN Excel 711 is now withdrawn & has joined the reserve fleet at Pensnett
Was that the last one of all?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 29, 2013, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2013, 11:28:57 AM
WN Excel 711 is now withdrawn & has joined the reserve fleet at Pensnett
Was that the last one of all?
As far as I know, 687 is still in service.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on May 29, 2013, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 29, 2013, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2013, 11:28:57 AM
WN Excel 711 is now withdrawn & has joined the reserve fleet at Pensnett
Was that the last one of all?
As far as I know, 687 is still in service.
I should imagine 687 will remain in service until 586 is picked from NXC by WN
Quote from: Sayeed_M on May 29, 2013, 02:54:23 PM
Have short excel's left West Midlands? Looked at the NXWM (100 - 501) index, short excel's still stated withdrawn.
Yes they have all gone now, most if not all are now scrapped
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2013, 02:43:46 PM
I should imagine 687 will remain in service until 586 is picked from NXC by WN
Shame that can't have some sort of send-off really.
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2013, 02:43:46 PM
I should imagine 687 will remain in service until 586 is picked from NXC by WN
Unless it stays a little longer and 586 goes to PE, but that's probably unlikely as getting rid of 687 would be a higher priority I'm sure
talking of excels, accident damaged short 7208 was being towed along willenhall rd by mansfield truck just after 2.30, minus panels and running gear
1644 branded X96 to withdrawn
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 06:42:10 PM
1644 branded X96 to withdrawn
Is it a certain write-off now then?
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Wouldn't have thought that PE will require a replacement for 1644, with frequency drop on 222 and probably a PVR drop on the 289, PE should have plenty buses, even if 823 goes to WB.
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Well how about a repaint for 1645 (very badly needed) and swap its seats with 1644, surely that would save money.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Well how about a repaint for 1645 (very badly needed) and swap its seats with 1644, surely that would save money.
I agree with Stu :-)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Well how about a repaint for 1645 (very badly needed) and swap its seats with 1644, surely that would save money.
Let's put some burned seats, and other smoke damaged ones in another bus? no thank you
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Well how about a repaint for 1645 (very badly needed) and swap its seats with 1644, surely that would save money.
Let's put some burned seats, and other smoke damaged ones in another bus? no thank you
Are they burned Tony? Thought it was engine damage?
Quote from: Ash on May 28, 2013, 10:44:11 AM
Yes but 1547 im sure will be in line to be one of the next mercs to be withdrawn from coventry i was just using it as an example
Today 1547 was working on the 2 in night. Its next to 1609/1611. 1609 is reason to withdrawn because problem with noise in rear loud "sound like 'Clap' then few second 'Clap' " similar does 1597 still.
Did 1644 catch fire in service?
Can be see picture of 1644 engine fire here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/8928327723/in/photolist-eAY1LT-eB2bnb-eAWjsq-eAJAiG-eAFrfr-eAJxih-eAFo1V-eAFq2c-eAFt7T-eAFmDT-eAJvLJ-ezYziR-ezYw7r-ezWjsJ-ezCTrs-ezrkRM-eyU1FU-eyPa5g-eyJjwh-ey7q3J-ey7rmq-exQMKb-exFiLg-exJwbu-exFs8r-exFqrM-exJJB7-exFoXP-exJxyd-exJPLA-exJcns-exEThg-exJfG5-exJ9tu-exJppq-exEURR-exF9WR-exEWpt-exJrfo-exEZ8c-exF61D-exJdio-ex31iS-ex32Rf-ex34vL-ewTdvg-ewRkQ6-ewA76Q
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
Did 1644 catch fire in service?
Here are some pictures of fire damage
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/8928927090/
Quote from: John on June 03, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
Did 1644 catch fire in service?
Here are some pictures of fire damage
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/8928927090/
I mean, was it actually in service or not in service at the time when it caught fire?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
Well how about a repaint for 1645 (very badly needed) and swap its seats with 1644, surely that would save money.
Let's put some burned seats, and other smoke damaged ones in another bus? no thank you
Are they burned Tony? Thought it was engine damage?
Have a look at the photos someone has posted, you will see blackened windows, so seats will certainly be smoke damaged
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2013, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 08:27:31 PM
1644 is really waste money for repaint & Retrim then withdrawn due to engine fire damage! 1644 has Electronic Display will move to other mercs with any T or V reg.
Waste of money? I am sure when they were doing the refurbs on Mercs no-one could have said don't pick 1644 that will catch fire a year after it is refurbed!
I meant Last year 1644 has repaint and new retrim seat with over £1000 pound then till engine fire damage. Tht a lots new condition seats then go scrap tht waste money for new seat.
I'd hazard a guess that the refurbs cost a lot more than £1000
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
Did 1644 catch fire in service?
Here are some pictures of fire damage
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/8928927090/
I mean, was it actually in service or not in service at the time when it caught fire?
I think it was out of service returning to the garage when the fire broke out, think it happened in Pensnett High St
Quote from: Winston on June 03, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: John on June 03, 2013, 09:16:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 03, 2013, 09:13:45 PM
Did 1644 catch fire in service?
Here are some pictures of fire damage
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/8928927090/
I mean, was it actually in service or not in service at the time when it caught fire?
I think it was out of service returning to the garage when the fire broke out, think it happened in Pensnett High St
Thank goodness there were no passengers onboard then!
Quote from: 6013 on June 03, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Today 1547 was working on the 2 in night. Its next to 1609/1611. 1609 is reason to withdrawn because problem with noise in rear loud "sound like 'Clap' then few second 'Clap' " similar does 1597 still.
Yeah, I'm afraid those will be the first buses withdrawn through having the clap.
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
As long as the darts stay at WB nothing bad can happen 8)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Please update me so i can keep track. Is WN involved in any of the vehicle movement or just the garages mentioned?
You will have to wait until they have actually happened!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Please update me so i can keep track. Is WN involved in any of the vehicle movement or just the garages mentioned?
I don't think he knows yet
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Please update me so i can keep track. Is WN involved in any of the vehicle movement or just the garages mentioned?
I don't think he knows yet
I do!
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Please update me so i can keep track. Is WN involved in any of the vehicle movement or just the garages mentioned?
I don't think he knows yet
I do!
Ok, he does know but he can't say yet, just be patient
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:59:50 PM
No i mean when the time comes. Its just you say there are LOTS of transfers happening so will changes be posted up
I was only asking :(
When the time comes you'll probably be able to see for yourself
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 09:05:32 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 09:04:28 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:59:50 PM
No i mean when the time comes. Its just you say there are LOTS of transfers happening so will changes be posted up
I was only asking :(
When the time comes you'll probably be able to see for yourself
I wasn't asking you anyway!????
Oh ok... looks like I can't comment now as well
As long as theres not a mass cull of old stuff before friday when i get home then ill be happy
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Let the speculation begin. I think Winston's the man most likely to come up with the best prediction but at a very rough guess, and some of this has more or less already been confirmed, I reckon it might include*:
New E400 to BC displacing older Tridents to YW, in turn cascading more Presidents to Dundee.
New E400 to PB displacing Geminis and / or ALX400 B7 to WB. No idea as to what may leave WB.
CV Omnilinks to WA, B10L and B6 withdrawn
*Note: this could be a load of cobblers.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Maybe i shouldn't of asked then as you only have to put one comment and people just have to say something horrible.
All i asked was if any fleet transfers will be posted on here (After they have happened of course!).
Matt, How exactly would i manage to find out the changes myself. Do i work for NX?
Seeing them, and they'll be posted on here straight away anyway
Not a bad guess ;) You never know what will happen till it actually happens as we know NX usually change plans.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Maybe i shouldn't of asked then as you only have to put one comment and people just have to say something horrible.
Coming from you!
Dundee can keep their mits off our presidents, the scrapman can keep off the old volvos and mercs for now as well, thats all im saying
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 04, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Dundee can keep their mits off our presidents, the scrapman can keep off the old volvos and mercs for now as well, thats all im saying
Totally agree with you there Ashley.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 04, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Dundee can keep their mits off our presidents, the scrapman can keep off the old volvos and mercs for now as well, thats all im saying
Totally agree with you there Ashley.
I also agree.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 04, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Dundee can keep their mits off our presidents, the scrapman can keep off the old volvos and mercs for now as well, thats all im saying
Well shame time has gone foward. I remember around 2000-2004 when i was quite young but still remembered Wolverhampton Filled with Metrobuses!
Nath, in 2000 you were the size of a cushion...
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 09:35:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 04, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Dundee can keep their mits off our presidents, the scrapman can keep off the old volvos and mercs for now as well, thats all im saying
Totally agree with you there Ashley.
I also agree. But shame that NX have ordered new buses which in my eyes are boring. Its always a standard E400 and B7RLE's which will never beat the B6's and mercs. Also as much as i love tridents they will never replace the Metrobus.
If you remember Ashley the 559 and your route 543 used to have Metrobuses on a daily basis
I completely agree with you Nath Nothing can beat the Metrobuses :)
Quote from: Mike K on June 04, 2013, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Watch out for lots of movements coming up involving several depots including West Bromwich, Birmingham Central, Perry Barr, Yardley Wood, Walsall & Dundee! I will try and post details when I know they have actually happened, first moves should take place tomorrow
Let the speculation begin. I think Winston's the man most likely to come up with the best prediction but at a very rough guess, and some of this has more or less already been confirmed, I reckon it might include*:
New E400 to BC displacing older Tridents to YW, in turn cascading more Presidents to Dundee.
New E400 to PB displacing Geminis and / or ALX400 B7 to WB. No idea as to what may leave WB.
CV Omnilinks to WA, B10L and B6 withdrawn
*Note: this could be a load of cobblers.
Mike K,
I haven't got anything extra to add on what I posted Sunday, for me I think any deckers that are replaced by new will simply be cascaded throughout the fleet to allow the withdrawal on none DDA single deckers (of which there a quite a few still). I think NX will also raise the proportion of double deckers in the fleet over the coming years to increase capacity.
I would have thought that WB would loose B6LE & 15--/early 16-- series Merc 0405N's
All I can think of is NX want rid of B10L's from the Midlands. Theres about 30-40 to withdraw. Possibly new E400 to BC and that CV's cascades to Walsall will get rid of all of these. Then any spares that a garage have will be passed to WB in the form of tridents to allow them to get rid of their darts or b6's.
Other Idea; Circa 15 Solos in Use - is this the number of the unannounced bus order??? E200'S
Quote from: bususer12 on June 04, 2013, 11:00:57 PM
All I can think of is NX want rid of B10L's from the Midlands. Theres about 30-40 to withdraw. Possibly new E400 to BC and that CV's cascades to Walsall will get rid of all of these. Then any spares that a garage have will be passed to WB in the form of tridents to allow them to get rid of their darts or b6's.
WB will probably withdraw mercs and B6's by PB having new E400 for sutton lines which cascades the older E400 onto other PB routes which will transfer Geminis and ALX400 B7TL to WB
I'm going left-field here, but aren't the vehicle recognition cameras for the emission zone being installed soon? Which means the 83/89 would need their Mercs replacing. I believe they are core services, not complimentary, and that the lack of cameras is why they didn't replace the Mercs in January
Quote from: uniquicity on June 04, 2013, 11:29:56 PM
I'm going left-field here, but aren't the vehicle recognition cameras for the emission zone being installed soon? Which means the 83/89 would need their Mercs replacing. I believe they are core services, not complimentary, and that the lack of cameras is why they didn't replace the Mercs in January
That may well explain why NXWM haven't been too bothered about having non-complaint vehicles out all day on occasions
Quote from: uniquicity on June 04, 2013, 11:29:56 PM
I'm going left-field here, but aren't the vehicle recognition cameras for the emission zone being installed soon? Which means the 83/89 would need their Mercs replacing. I believe they are core services, not complimentary, and that the lack of cameras is why they didn't replace the Mercs in January
Maybe the 83/9 will become fully double decker if Geminis or ALX400 B7TL transfer over from PB when their E400 come into service with older E400 on other PB routes cascading some Double deckers to WB
I could be talking complete balls, but its my theory anyway.
WB needs to keep 6/7 B6LEs for the 47/47A btw, meaning only 4/5 can be withdrawn ;)
Yeah nathan I do remember the daily joy of metrobuses passing my house, happy days.clearly whatevers about to happen ill have a busy week or two when im back
I'm sure O405Ns are ok on the 83/89 because the frequency of each is half hourly. If they were more frequent than half hourly, then yes they would need replacing
Three presidents, 4117/8/22 should be halfway to Dundee now
Maybe they're losing Gemini's in Dundee, to help the emissions rule in the WM.
Quote from: bususer12 on June 05, 2013, 11:58:55 AM
Maybe they're losing Gemini's in Dundee, to help the emissions rule in the WM.
I believe Dundee are keeping all the Gemini's, the extra Presidents may be as a result of the Pvr increase/service changes at the end of this month, or may be to replace further older non refurbished B10L
Quote from: John on June 05, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
I'm sure O405Ns are ok on the 83/89 because the frequency of each is half hourly. If they were more frequent than half hourly, then yes they would need replacing
83/89 are co-ordinated every 15 minutes between Birmingham and Cape Hill. Similar to the 31/31A, which both run every 30 minutes between Birmingham and Shirley but have different terminals
4117 was a beast, gonna miss that one. Im guessing 4116 and 4119 will also be going up? And when will the next transfers of any type be happening?
Quote from: uniquicity on June 05, 2013, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: John on June 05, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
I'm sure O405Ns are ok on the 83/89 because the frequency of each is half hourly. If they were more frequent than half hourly, then yes they would need replacing
83/89 are co-ordinated every 15 minutes between Birmingham and Cape Hill. Similar to the 31/31A, which both run every 30 minutes between Birmingham and Shirley but have different terminals
The 83 and 89 are two separate services though, each with a frequency of 30 mins (two buses per hour), though they are timed to provide a 15 min frequency. The 31A is a variant of the 31, so they are essentially the same service, so they fall foul of the emission ruling.
Quote from: Stu on June 05, 2013, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on June 05, 2013, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: John on June 05, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
I'm sure O405Ns are ok on the 83/89 because the frequency of each is half hourly. If they were more frequent than half hourly, then yes they would need replacing
83/89 are co-ordinated every 15 minutes between Birmingham and Cape Hill. Similar to the 31/31A, which both run every 30 minutes between Birmingham and Shirley but have different terminals
The 83 and 89 are two separate services though, each with a frequency of 30 mins (two buses per hour), though they are timed to provide a 15 min frequency. The 31A is a variant of the 31, so they are essentially the same service, so they fall foul of the emission ruling.
Why didn't they use Presidents on the 127/128/129 then, which has the same principles as the 83/89?
2168 New to CV.
4117, 4118 and 4122 are reported in Dundee today
Quote from: ChrisF7165 on June 05, 2013, 09:56:39 PM
4117, 4118 and 4122 are reported in Dundee today
all made it then!
Quote from: ChrisF7165 on June 05, 2013, 09:56:39 PM
4117, 4118 and 4122 are reported in Dundee today
Gonna Miss 4117 Great Bus
687 still hanging on in service on the 28 today
I TAKE IT 4119 WILL SOON BE JOINING THEM IN DUNDEE ?
:( I only filmed 4118 a few weeks ago aswell! 4117 had been sounding rather rough before it left so I can't say I'll miss it too much, I just hope no more go!
I say send them all to Scotland lol, only B7s
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 06, 2013, 04:53:18 PM
I say send them all to Scotland lol, only B7s
You wouldnt say that if you'd been on 4089!
Whens the official list coming up because it was mentioned a few days ago now
Next batch of transfers are due this weekend
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
Next batch of transfers are due this weekend
Will this be the Omnilinks from CV-WA?
are all the EX CV ominilinks heading to WA ?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
Next batch of transfers are due this weekend
Will this be the Omnilinks from CV-WA?
The first 3 are in Walsall Paintshop having red fronts put on, but no-one has confirmed they are going to Walsall!
Pensnett, Walsall, West Bromwich & Perry Barr should all see fleet changes
From previous posts that was the impression i was under. Maybe PB will have some aswell
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
Next batch of transfers are due this weekend
Will this be the Omnilinks from CV-WA?
The first 3 are in Walsall Paintshop having red fronts put on, but no-one has confirmed they are going to Walsall!
Pensnett, Walsall, West Bromwich & Perry Barr should all see fleet changes
Take it PE are losing 823 to WB
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
BC wouldn't be only having 4. In another thread, someone posted an expected allocation based on PVR which you could look at.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
BC wouldn't be only having 4. In another thread, someone posted an expected allocation based on PVR which you could look at.
I know! I said so far they are the ones delivered. I would imagine BC will have the majority of the E400
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
I saw it was reported on here then 20 minutes later I saw it in the flesh!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
Wonder if it's had its talking Bus equipment removed?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 08, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
Wonder if it's had its talking Bus equipment removed?
I highly doubt it as it will still see service on the 222, and what other bus would they fit it in? Surely it is only designed and all set up for the Enviro 200
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 08, 2013, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 08, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
Wonder if it's had its talking Bus equipment removed?
I highly doubt it as it will still see service on the 222, and what other bus would they fit it in? Surely it is only designed and all set up for the Enviro 200
Hadn't thought of that, plus aren't the X96, 246 and 297 supposed to become talking bus routes to.
Will be interesting to see how they manage it with the 246 as such a selection of buses are allocated to it, wonder if it will just be allocated Mercs with 246 Branding?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
BC wouldn't be only having 4. In another thread, someone posted an expected allocation based on PVR which you could look at.
I know! I said so far they are the ones delivered. I would imagine BC will have the majority of the E400
Yeah, I didn't read it right the first time. I thought what you said didn't make much sense, but I didn't bother reading it again. Sorry Nathan.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
BC wouldn't be only having 4. In another thread, someone posted an expected allocation based on PVR which you could look at.
I know! I said so far they are the ones delivered. I would imagine BC will have the majority of the E400
Yeah, I didn't read it right the first time. I thought what you said didn't make much sense, but I didn't bother reading it again. Sorry Nathan.
If they are going on the 900/957 they will need 16 at least because I think the 957 runs on a 900 board because I was on a 957 a while back and the running board read 900-16 and I don't think the 900 needs 16 buses to operate to the Airport and Coventry :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 08, 2013, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 08, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Will PB be having the rest of the E400 on order. WA have 4880-4 and so far BC have 4895-8 am i correct.
BC wouldn't be only having 4. In another thread, someone posted an expected allocation based on PVR which you could look at.
I know! I said so far they are the ones delivered. I would imagine BC will have the majority of the E400
Yeah, I didn't read it right the first time. I thought what you said didn't make much sense, but I didn't bother reading it again. Sorry Nathan.
If they are going on the 900/957 they will need 16 at least because I think the 957 runs on a 900 board because I was on a 957 a while back and the running board read 900-16 and I don't think the 900 needs 16 buses to operate to the Airport and Coventry :)
I was thinking approx 16 combined Pvr for the 900/957 plus a couple of spares thrown in, I figure BC may get a batch of approx 18 in total
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 08, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 08, 2013, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 08, 2013, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Well 824 has been reported as debranded from the 222 so maybe this will be the E200 that works its way around the PE routes.
Wonder if it's had its talking Bus equipment removed?
I highly doubt it as it will still see service on the 222, and what other bus would they fit it in? Surely it is only designed and all set up for the Enviro 200
Hadn't thought of that, plus aren't the X96, 246 and 297 supposed to become talking bus routes to.
Will be interesting to see how they manage it with the 246 as such a selection of buses are allocated to it, wonder if it will just be allocated Mercs with 246 Branding?
Stu,
Yes the main core NX routes in to Merry Hill were all meant to be having it, along with Diamond's 002, 226? & possibly Hanson's on the 226?
Still no start date for the Merry Hill bus station extension / refurbishment or any of the proposed bus priorities
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 08, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
Next batch of transfers are due this weekend
Will this be the Omnilinks from CV-WA?
The first 3 are in Walsall Paintshop having red fronts put on, but no-one has confirmed they are going to Walsall!
Pensnett, Walsall, West Bromwich & Perry Barr should all see fleet changes
Take it PE are losing 823 to WB
Gone
4733-4737 should be transferring PB-WA today (hence my mention of those two garages with PE & WB). When I popped in on my way home tonight 4733; 4734 & 4735 had arrived at Walsall
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
4733-4737 should be transferring PB-WA today (hence my mention of those two garages with PE & WB). When I popped in on my way home tonight 4733; 4734 & 4735 had arrived at Walsall
So we will indeed be seeing toothpaste Enviros at Walsall. Interesting stuff ;D
Quote from: JackC on June 09, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
So we will indeed be seeing toothpaste Enviros at Walsall. Interesting stuff ;D
Yes, but the state of some of them are a bit worse for wear, so wouldn't be surprised if some were sent for repaint in the next few weeks.
Quote from: JackC on June 09, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2013, 05:42:32 PM
4733-4737 should be transferring PB-WA today (hence my mention of those two garages with PE & WB). When I popped in on my way home tonight 4733; 4734 & 4735 had arrived at Walsall
So we will indeed be seeing toothpaste Enviros at Walsall. Interesting stuff ;D
Potentially at Wolverhampton should they sneak off the 934 :P
Quote from: trident4370 on June 09, 2013, 07:11:16 PM
Potentially at Wolverhampton should they sneak off the 934 :P
:)
I reckon they will be seen on the 935/6 as well, and you never know, maybe even the 51 and X51
Quote from: John on June 09, 2013, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 09, 2013, 07:11:16 PM
Potentially at Wolverhampton should they sneak off the 934 :P
:)
I reckon they will be seen on the 935/6 as well, and you never know, maybe even the 51 and X51
And we know they will appear on the 997 too :P
Are they going into service on Monday onwards ?
Quote from: NathanJC on June 09, 2013, 07:30:31 PM
Are they going into service on Monday onwards ?
I would think so. I am hopefully going that way tomorrow so will find out
Quote from: John on June 09, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on June 09, 2013, 07:30:31 PM
Are they going into service on Monday onwards ?
I would think so. I am hopefully going that way tomorrow so will find out
I'll be at college in Walsall tomorrow so will see if I can spot any.
Maybe theyll go through the paintshop first even though just having them will be different
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 09, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
Maybe theyll go through the paintshop first even though just having them will be different
Doubt it - pretty sure they'll want them out in service for the new routes asap.
Quote from: JackC on June 09, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 09, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
Maybe theyll go through the paintshop first even though just having them will be different
Doubt it - pretty sure they'll want them out in service for the new routes asap.
You may have 1 go straight for repaint. I also forgot about 4737 already in NX livery
Quote from: John on June 09, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
Quote from: JackC on June 09, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 09, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
Maybe theyll go through the paintshop first even though just having them will be different
Doubt it - pretty sure they'll want them out in service for the new routes asap.
You may have 1 go straight for repaint. I also forgot about 4737 already in NX livery
s*** I didn't get a pic of 4737 at PB, But thats probably because I havent seen it for ages
I think ive got a cameraphone pic of 4737 in sutton from last year but its gone pink all the same
Quote from: John on June 09, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on June 09, 2013, 07:30:31 PM
Are they going into service on Monday onwards ?
I would think so. I am hopefully going that way tomorrow so will find out
I'll be heading that way tomorrow aswell so I'll keep a look out too :)
Ill come out if i know they are out and where
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 09, 2013, 08:51:51 PM
Ill come out if i know they are out and where
If I see any I'll let you know what route there on Ashley ;)
Is there any clues to what buses West Brom will be receiving people have mentioned 823 is this definitely going to happen.
Quote from: Ash on June 09, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Is there any clues to what buses West Brom will be receiving people have mentioned 823 is this definitely going to happen.
Ash, its already happened. Left Pensnett sat night
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2013, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: Ash on June 09, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Is there any clues to what buses West Brom will be receiving people have mentioned 823 is this definitely going to happen.
Ash, its already happened. Left Pensnett sat night
Ok thanks Winston haven't been on the forum this past week so haven't get up to date with the posts, I know due to the reduction of the PVR of the 222 but is the only reason it is heading to WB is to replace a b6le I'm guessing 674.
Thanks Rob :)
Im personally just glad that walsall os getting some more euro4 enviros because I cant stand the euro 5 engine. But cant moan new buses are new buses! Will be very sd to see walsallS b10 go and wolves spectras and to a degree the b6! No bad buses
Im going to miss them too, looks like Walsalls the place to be this week
When Tony mentioned Pensnett in the list of garages being affected by the fleet changes, was he only referring to 823 moving to WB? Or I wonder if anything else is happening?
Im guessing a few mercs from WB to PN
Quote from: Andrew on June 10, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Im guessing a few mercs from WB to PN
Can never be a bad thing ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 10, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Andrew on June 10, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Im guessing a few mercs from WB to PN
Can never be a bad thing ;)
What would be replacing the mercs at WB apart from one enviro 200 which has probably replaced 674 and also don't PN need fewer buses after the changes?.
Quote from: Ash on June 10, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 10, 2013, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Andrew on June 10, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Im guessing a few mercs from WB to PN
Can never be a bad thing ;)
What would be replacing the mercs at WB apart from one enviro 200 which has probably replaced 674 and also don't PN need fewer buses after the changes?.
Wouldn't have thought that PE would need any more buses, they have lost 2, 823 to WB and 1644 to the scrap man and the PVR has probably dropped by 2, with the 289 now terminating at Old Hill.
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
B10L's for the chop then, I wonder if they've had a re-trim or just front end repaint?
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
B10L's for the chop then, I wonder if they've had a re-trim or just front end repaint?
Notice the 'connection bars' still at the rear, so it was only a front end repaint. The seats look grey on the picture, so could have been retrimmed.
With the placement of the fleet name it makes me wonder if they are to recieve some branding of some sort?
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2013, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
B10L's for the chop then, I wonder if they've had a re-trim or just front end repaint?
Notice the 'connection bars' still at the rear, so it was only a front end repaint. The seats look grey on the picture, so could have been retrimmed.
Stu, the seat were the NX dark grey with dots from new. But if NX are re-trimming the 09 plate Enviros, then they may have done these as well?
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
Thought I seen a Repainted Omnilink on the 46 ;)
My fingers are crossed for the 15 toothpaste enviros at PB to transfer to PN when/if they receive new ones for Sutton lines.
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2013, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
B10L's for the chop then, I wonder if they've had a re-trim or just front end repaint?
Notice the 'connection bars' still at the rear, so it was only a front end repaint. The seats look grey on the picture, so could have been retrimmed.
Stu, the seat were the NX dark grey with dots from new. But if NX are re-trimming the 09 plate Enviros, then they may have done these as well?
I don't think they have. Newly painted 1800 ventured out on the 17 this morning peak, but was soon back in garage with a defective ticket machine. I haven't seen the seats for that one at Miller Street so don't know if that has been retrimmed
Thanks, I didn't know what seat trim the Coventry Omnilinks were delivered with, so that explains that!
Quote from: richie on June 10, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
My fingers are crossed for the 15 toothpaste enviros at PB to transfer to PN when/if they receive new ones for Sutton lines.
Now that would be nice..... ;)
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: richie on June 10, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
My fingers are crossed for the 15 toothpaste enviros at PB to transfer to PN when/if they receive new ones for Sutton lines.
Now that would be nice..... ;)
Do 4698 and 4718-27 still have their ticket machines in different positions to the rest of the Enviro400s?
Quote from: uniquicity on June 10, 2013, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: richie on June 10, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
My fingers are crossed for the 15 toothpaste enviros at PB to transfer to PN when/if they receive new ones for Sutton lines.
Now that would be nice..... ;)
Do 4698 and 4718-27 still have their ticket machines in different positions to the rest of the Enviro400s?
I think 4698 has been moved, but not 4718-27
Yes 4698 has been moved
Quote from: Lukeee on June 10, 2013, 08:56:01 PM
Yes 4698 has been moved
4723's hadn't as of last week.
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:23:15 PM
Quote from: John on June 10, 2013, 06:05:22 PM
1875 now at Perry Barr on the 46 today. Photo to follow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007764783/
It has gone branded for "dedicated to Bernard Delaney, who was the Coventry Area Manager, retired in 2010"
Can anyone confirm the following fleetlist for Yardley Wood? Any adjustments will be made.
B10L OmniLink B7TL Trident Trident Enviro
1406 1909 4056 4333 4362 4738
1407 1910 4057 4334 4363 4739
1408 1911 4084 4335 4369 4740
1411 1912 4085 4336 4370 4741
1413 1913 4086 4337 4371 4742
1432 1914 4089 4338 4372 4743
1447 1915 4090 4339 4373 4744
1450 1916 4091 4340 4374 4745
1457 1917 4092 4341 4375 4746
1918 4093 4342 4376 4747
1919 4094 4343 4377 4748
1920 4095 4344 4378 4749
1921 4096 4345 4379 4750
1922 4097 4346 4380 4751
1923 4098 4347 4381 4752
1924 4104 4348 4382 4753
1925 4105 4349 4383 4754
1926 4106 4350 4384 4755
1927 4107 4351 4385 4756
1928 4108 4352 4386 4757
1929 4109 4353 4387 4758
1930 4110 4354 4388 4759
4119 4355 4389 4760
4356 4391 4761
4357 4392 4762
4360 4394 4799
4361 4395
Sorry about the formatting above, it is of a direct copy from Excel.
4108 was withdrawn when at Wb and not in use
Quote from: Ash on June 11, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
4108 was withdrawn when at Wb and not in use
It has since been scrapped (have not got an exact date)
Where is 4359? Last I knew it was at BC but i'm sure i've just seen it on a Yardley Wood route. It is on my BC fleetlist at present.
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
Where is 4359? Last I knew it was at BC but i'm sure i've just seen it on a Yardley Wood route. It is on my BC fleetlist at present.
What Route was it on. Maybe a very recent transfer to replace a President now in Dundee.
(It may have been displaced by one of the new Enviro400s at Birmingham Central, even though none are out in service yet)
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:02:25 PM
Can anyone confirm the following fleetlist for Yardley Wood? Any adjustments will be made.
B10L OmniLink B7TL Trident Trident Enviro
1406 1909 4056 4333 4362 4738
1407 1910 4057 4334 4363 4739
1408 1911 4084 4335 4369 4740
1411 1912 4085 4336 4370 4741
1413 1913 4086 4337 4371 4742
1432 1914 4089 4338 4372 4743
1447 1915 4090 4339 4373 4744
1450 1916 4091 4340 4374 4745
1457 1917 4092 4341 4375 4746
1918 4093 4342 4376 4747
1919 4094 4343 4377 4748
1920 4095 4344 4378 4749
1921 4096 4345 4379 4750
1922 4097 4346 4380 4751
1923 4098 4347 4381 4752
1924 4104 4348 4382 4753
1925 4105 4349 4383 4754
1926 4106 4350 4384 4755
1927 4107 4351 4385 4756
1928 4108 4352 4386 4757
1929 4109 4353 4387 4758
1930 4110 4354 4388 4759
4119 4355 4389 4760
4356 4391 4761
4357 4392 4762
4360 4394 4799
4361 4395
Sorry about the formatting above, it is of a direct copy from Excel.
YW also has 4310 as reported by Tony. 4311 was working the 76
today in Solihull so i'm assuming it's been transferred from WN to YW
Quote from: JIM H on June 11, 2013, 04:33:49 PM
YW also has 4310 as reported by Tony. 4311 was working the 76
today in Solihull so i'm assuming it's been transferred from WN to YW
Yes 4311 has transfered but after tonys fleetlist came into effect
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
Where is 4359? Last I knew it was at BC but i'm sure i've just seen it on a Yardley Wood route. It is on my BC fleetlist at present.
What Route was it on. Maybe a very recent transfer to replace a President now in Dundee.
(It may have been displaced by one of the new Enviro400s at Birmingham Central, even though none are out in service yet)
49. Saw it in Solihull.
Oh yeah I remember 4310/11 transferring just forgot to add it to the excel document. I have BC's fleet list accurate including the new E400's. I only hold an interest in YW/BC.
Anybody else saw that 47xx on the 84 yesterday?
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:12:42 PM
Where is 4359? Last I knew it was at BC but i'm sure i've just seen it on a Yardley Wood route. It is on my BC fleetlist at present.
What Route was it on. Maybe a very recent transfer to replace a President now in Dundee.
(It may have been displaced by one of the new Enviro400s at Birmingham Central, even though none are out in service yet)
Yes someone reported it in unusual workings i think.
49. Saw it in Solihull.
Oh yeah I remember 4310/11 transferring just forgot to add it to the excel document. I have BC's fleet list accurate including the new E400's. I only hold an interest in YW/BC.
Anybody else saw that 47xx on the 84 yesterday?
I had 4359 on the 900 saturday evening and a photo of it on there saturday daytime but if youve spotted it on the 49 then its back at Yardley wood
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 11, 2013, 09:21:13 PM
I had 4359 on the 900 saturday evening and a photo of it on there saturday daytime but if youve spotted it on the 49 then its back at Yardley wood
I couldn't be 100% sure of it being 4359 though as I didn't get full visual due to obstruction and the vehicle was a fair distance away when I read the fleet number. Could've been 4369? 4349?
I've been on earlies all week so my eyes are shot until late book ons next week.
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 09:38:01 PM
I couldn't be 100% sure of it being 4359 though as I didn't get full visual due to obstruction and the vehicle was a fair distance away when I read the fleet number. Could've been 4369? 4349?
I've been on earlies all week so my eyes are shot until late book ons next week.
Was it in TWM or NXWM livery?
4369 and 4359 are in NX and 4349 in TWM. (4369 has full greyconnection bars, 4359 dosen't)
4310 Yesterday on the 76
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/9019839850/in/photostream/
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 09:38:01 PM
I couldn't be 100% sure of it being 4359 though as I didn't get full visual due to obstruction and the vehicle was a fair distance away when I read the fleet number. Could've been 4369? 4349?
I've been on earlies all week so my eyes are shot until late book ons next week.
Was it in TWM or NXWM livery?
4369 and 4359 are in NX and 4349 in TWM. (4369 has full greyconnection bars, 4359 dosen't)
NX livery with no grey connexion bars. Might of had the small bars but again damn cars are an obstruction.
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
NX livery with no grey connexion bars. Might of had the small bars but again damn cars are an obstruction.
4359 has the small ones so might be? :)
All three ex Coventry Mercs in service at PB today, two on the 66 and one on the 28
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2013, 07:27:13 AM
All three ex Coventry Mercs in service at PB today, two on the 66 and one on the 28
Is it 1550? Or 1605, 1606, and 1612.
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
No merit in transferring Mercs at the end of their lives to PB
Wonder what has replaced 4115 at AG?
Ex 3 Scanias is 1875,1876,1877! But 1863-1874 still around in coventry moment.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Good to see some more presidents being transferred to WB hopefully a few more will follow for the 48/49. Allowing the mercs from there to replace the final few b6le's that keep appearing on the 45.
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 10:31:27 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Good to see some more presidents being transferred to WB hopefully a few more will follow for the 48/49. Allowing the mercs from there to replace the final few b6le's that keep appearing on the 45.
You may find any more Presidents would allow for more early Mercs will be withdrawn
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 10:31:27 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Good to see some more presidents being transferred to WB hopefully a few more will follow for the 48/49. Allowing the mercs from there to replace the final few b6le's that keep appearing on the 45.
You may find any more Presidents would allow for more early Mercs will be withdrawn
All the early mercs are in NXWM livery at WB I know it doesn't stop them being withdrawn but may be they might get transferred to Pensnett to replace any early mercs that are still in the travel west midlands livery.
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 10:31:27 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Good to see some more presidents being transferred to WB hopefully a few more will follow for the 48/49. Allowing the mercs from there to replace the final few b6le's that keep appearing on the 45.
You may find any more Presidents would allow for more early Mercs will be withdrawn
All the early mercs are in NXWM livery at WB I know it doesn't stop them being withdrawn but may be they might get transferred to Pensnett to replace any early mercs that are still in the travel west midlands livery.
All of the remaining early Mercs at Pensnett are also in NXWM livery, its quite a few of the mark II Mercs that are still in TWM livery 1628 onwards etc
Is 4115 at WB because 4048 is a write off after its accident?
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Tony obviously means Scanias, not Mercs.
4115 now at WB, on the 5 today.
Yes I did mean the Scanias, doing rush postings on my phone is not always the best idea
Any B10L at Perry Barr been withdrawn
Quote from: lynx1103 on June 12, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
Any B10L at Perry Barr been withdrawn
I would have thought at least 3 have been withdrawn, then of course if anymore have been withdrawn as a result of the 934 moving to WA, not sure what the Pvr of 934/934A was before the review changes
4737 is on the 51 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9024236105/
1876 at PB now! On the 28 route.
Seen the picture of 1876 with NXWM livery.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9024220195/
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
687 hasn't be moved to Pensnett for storage yet, checked today
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2013, 06:51:55 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
687 hasn't be moved to Pensnett for storage yet, checked today
I think I saw 687 out in service on the 25 or 28. There was definitely an excel out in service anyway!
Quote from: JIM H on June 11, 2013, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:02:25 PM
Can anyone confirm the following fleetlist for Yardley Wood? Any adjustments will be made.
B10L OmniLink B7TL Trident Trident Enviro
1406 1909 4056 4333 4362 4738
1407 1910 4057 4334 4363 4739
1408 1911 4084 4335 4369 4740
1411 1912 4085 4336 4370 4741
1413 1913 4086 4337 4371 4742
1432 1914 4089 4338 4372 4743
1447 1915 4090 4339 4373 4744
1450 1916 4091 4340 4374 4745
1457 1917 4092 4341 4375 4746
1918 4093 4342 4376 4747
1919 4094 4343 4377 4748
1920 4095 4344 4378 4749
1921 4096 4345 4379 4750
1922 4097 4346 4380 4751
1923 4098 4347 4381 4752
1924 4104 4348 4382 4753
1925 4105 4349 4383 4754
1926 4106 4350 4384 4755
1927 4107 4351 4385 4756
1928 4108 4352 4386 4757
1929 4109 4353 4387 4758
1930 4110 4354 4388 4759
4119 4355 4389 4760
4356 4391 4761
4357 4392 4762
4360 4394 4799
4361 4395
Sorry about the formatting above, it is of a direct copy from Excel.
4116 appears to be missing as well
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2013, 07:11:43 PM
Quote from: JIM H on June 11, 2013, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 04:02:25 PM
Can anyone confirm the following fleetlist for Yardley Wood? Any adjustments will be made.
B10L OmniLink B7TL Trident Trident Enviro
1406 1909 4056 4333 4362 4738
1407 1910 4057 4334 4363 4739
1408 1911 4084 4335 4369 4740
1411 1912 4085 4336 4370 4741
1413 1913 4086 4337 4371 4742
1432 1914 4089 4338 4372 4743
1447 1915 4090 4339 4373 4744
1450 1916 4091 4340 4374 4745
1457 1917 4092 4341 4375 4746
1918 4093 4342 4376 4747
1919 4094 4343 4377 4748
1920 4095 4344 4378 4749
1921 4096 4345 4379 4750
1922 4097 4346 4380 4751
1923 4098 4347 4381 4752
1924 4104 4348 4382 4753
1925 4105 4349 4383 4754
1926 4106 4350 4384 4755
1927 4107 4351 4385 4756
1928 4108 4352 4386 4757
1929 4109 4353 4387 4758
1930 4110 4354 4388 4759
4119 4355 4389 4760
4356 4391 4761
4357 4392 4762
4360 4394 4799
4361 4395
Sorry about the formatting above, it is of a direct copy from Excel.
4116 appears to be missing as well
Thanks Tony, if I'm honest I'm waiting for June fleet changes to appear on your site so I can update.
Cheers Tone.
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
Which Route was it on? 25/A,28 or 59?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 12, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
Which Route was it on? 25/A,28 or 59?
not sure stuck in traffic at lights when it past me.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 12, 2013, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 07:41:29 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 12, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 12, 2013, 06:46:30 PM
586 now at pl seen today in wednesfield.
Which Route was it on? 25/A,28 or 59?
not sure stuck in traffic at lights when it past me.
Which road was it on (I live in Wednesfield so i know all the roads)
deans road junction with Wolverhampton road, heading into city.
More than likley on the 28 then.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 12, 2013, 08:13:38 PM
More than likley on the 28 then.
Yep, I saw it, I can confirm it.
Looks like NE are going to be saying goodbye to the Excels then as it won't be long surely before 687 makes it's final journey to PE!
Give 687 one more day in service for one last excel journey, RIP WM Excels
it was out and about today, think it was on 28, not 100%, although when i saw it, it was receiving attention from an engineer/inspectors. 586 was on 28.
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 11, 2013, 09:46:00 PM
NX livery with no grey connexion bars. Might of had the small bars but again damn cars are an obstruction.
4359 has the small ones so might be? :)
4359 is on the 24 today so still at BC
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Will all BC's drivers need type training again on the new Enviros? Even though most have driven them before when the 4800-4829 were allocated there from new
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
The type training is usually just to the drivers on the routes the new buses will be going on and drivers on part time and spare lists. The majority of 900 and Cov Rd drivers would not have been type trained as the previous Enviros were just used on the Stourbridge rota.
In my opinion though, type training should be avalable to all drivers as vehicles often stray onto other routes and some drivers do overtime on other routes.
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Will all BC's drivers need type training again on the new Enviros? Even though most have driven them before when the 4800-4829 were allocated there from new
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Possibly. But there will be more than 9 new Enviro400s in total entering service, so we will have to wait and see what other Transfers might happen
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:38:13 PM
The type training is usually just to the drivers on the routes the new buses will be going on and drivers on part time and spare lists. The majority of 900 and Cov Rd drivers would not have been type trained as the previous Enviros were just used on the Stourbridge rota.
In my opinion though, type training should be avalable to all drivers as vehicles often stray onto other routes and some drivers do overtime on other routes.
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Will all BC's drivers need type training again on the new Enviros? Even though most have driven them before when the 4800-4829 were allocated there from new
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
The cab layout would be different also, when Pensnett had the wright 1908 most drivers were typed but when they had their allocation all drivers were typed even the ones that were typed on the previous model which was identical apart from one switch, the same as the MVC 1908 you had to be typed even though it was the same dash as the wrights.
Quote from: John on June 13, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Possibly. But there will be more than 9 new Enviro400s in total entering service, so we will have to wait and see what other Transfers might happen
BC could do with off loading some of the 65 x Y-reg Tridents it has allocated to another garage
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Do you know how many Enviros BC are having :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 13, 2013, 01:59:47 PM
Do you know how many Enviros BC are having :)
I think someone estimated around 18
Im not even sure myself, all I know is of the 9 so far. When the 900 last recieved new buses it had it had 8 branded (4425 - 32) but of course now it includes the 957 and you would expect a few to be unbranded too so Im guessing 9 wont be enough.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:38:13 PM
The type training is usually just to the drivers on the routes the new buses will be going on and drivers on part time and spare lists. The majority of 900 and Cov Rd drivers would not have been type trained as the previous Enviros were just used on the Stourbridge rota.
In my opinion though, type training should be avalable to all drivers as vehicles often stray onto other routes and some drivers do overtime on other routes.
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2013, 12:32:00 PM
Will all BC's drivers need type training again on the new Enviros? Even though most have driven them before when the 4800-4829 were allocated there from new
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I'm sorry I don't have any 'inside information', but I'm wandering what BC will loose when the 9 Enviros enter service.
I'm guessing it will be 9 Tridents to YW to release more Presidents.
Maybe ;
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Other road drivers are getting type trained, just after the rota'd drivers and spares. I'm not on the 900 but I'm getting type trained. Just ask in Training; Paul or Paul will set you straight. Didn't you hear the radio call this morning?
586 is now at WN as we know but 687 clinging on in service on the 28 just
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
586 is now at WN as we know but 687 clinging on in service on the 28 just
What routes do the B6LEs at Wolverhampton stick to. I know the 26/62, 27 and 28 but are there other routes? :)
Quote from: John on June 13, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
586 is now at WN as we know but 687 clinging on in service on the 28 just
What routes do the B6LEs at Wolverhampton stick to. I know the 26/62, 27 and 28 but are there other routes? :)
I think that's it really. I thought the 27 was strictly Mercs and the odd decker?
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: John on June 13, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
586 is now at WN as we know but 687 clinging on in service on the 28 just
What routes do the B6LEs at Wolverhampton stick to. I know the 26/62, 27 and 28 but are there other routes? :)
I think that's it really. I thought the 27 was strictly Mercs and the odd decker?
I think the 27/A has a mix of B6LE, O405Ns and the occasional double. Not been from Wolverhampton way, I stand to be corrected if wrong!!
I'm long overdue a trip back to Wolverhampton so I want to be able to see quite a few B6LEs when I finally make it, in amongst another trip to Coventry and Leicester in the next few weeks ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:59:10 PM
The 25 regually sees B6's as well and the 82 and 59 (Peak running Board) sometimes
Thanks Nathan :D
Quote from: John on June 13, 2013, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 13, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: John on June 13, 2013, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
586 is now at WN as we know but 687 clinging on in service on the 28 just
What routes do the B6LEs at Wolverhampton stick to. I know the 26/62, 27 and 28 but are there other routes? :)
I think that's it really. I thought the 27 was strictly Mercs and the odd decker?
I think the 27/A has a mix of B6LE, O405Ns and the occasional double. Not been from Wolverhampton way, I stand to be corrected if wrong!!
I'm long overdue a trip back to Wolverhampton so I want to be able to see quite a few B6LEs when I finally make it, in amongst another trip to Coventry and Leicester in the next few weeks ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 03:59:10 PM
The 25 regually sees B6's as well and the 82 and 59 (Peak running Board) sometimes
Thanks Nathan :D
Me neither ;), I'm not really comfortable with WN allocations, I was just going by what I saw last time, which was a few weeks ago now
There was a B6 (600) on the 81 the other day too, but that's pretty unusual
Heading over to the general area of Wolverhampton for a gig later, so I'll be interested to see the curious local delicacies like the Spectras and Benz.
Not too worried about the old BC B6s, mind you ;)
The 27 just gets about everything, three mornings it has seen at least one Trident along with Mercs, Tridents, Spectras, B6's and it wasn't long since 687 was on it, even a Hybrid
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 13, 2013, 05:23:16 PM
The 27 just gets about everything, three mornings it has seen at least one Trident along with Mercs, Tridents, Spectras, B6's and it wasn't long since 687 was on it, even a Hybrid
Yes just about to post that. 4571 is on there today. Also add B7RLE's to the list as they have started regually appearing Mon-Sat.
4736 now in service at Walsall on 934 this evening, first stripey Enviro 400 in service there
Other road drivers are getting type trained, just after the rota'd drivers and spares. I'm not on the 900 but I'm getting type trained. Just ask in Training; Paul or Paul will set you straight. Didn't you hear the radio call this morning?
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I might have heard it had I been at work this morning.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 13, 2013, 07:11:03 PMQuote from: The Rat
Other road drivers are getting type trained, just after the rota'd drivers and spares. I'm not on the 900 but I'm getting type trained. Just ask in Training; Paul or Paul will set you straight. Didn't you hear the radio call this morning?
I might have heard it had I been at work this morning.
*gasp* A day off at Birmingham Central?! Now that's a first! (With Michael in the office haha)
Not a day off, did a late book on
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 13, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 13, 2013, 05:23:16 PM
The 27 just gets about everything, three mornings it has seen at least one Trident along with Mercs, Tridents, Spectras, B6's and it wasn't long since 687 was on it, even a Hybrid
Yes just about to post that. 4571 is on there today. Also add B7RLE's to the list as they have started regually appearing Mon-Sat.
Seams whatever they put on the 27 they usually break down, shame for the passengers having to use it. Reliability has gone right downhill since the clapped out B6's were put on it, before that they had the crap Excells on it... another contender for 'most unreliable route' the running is ok it's just the breakdowns. This week has seen more Tridents on and a few B7RLE's so obviously an attempt to inprove reliability.
What is the latest on the transfers
Have any more YW Presidents been despatched to Dundee following on from 4117/8/20/1/2/3/4?
What are BC going to transfer out on receipt of the E400s?
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 17, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
What is the latest on the transfers
Have any more YW Presidents been despatched to Dundee following on from 4117/8/20/1/2/3/4?
What are BC going to transfer out on receipt of the E400s?
I would also like to know this information.
I will ask to see which buses we'll be losing to gain the E400's, but most likely be the 43'hundreds to cascade to YW to replace the Presidents of which will go to Dundee. I say the 43's as YW hasn't got any 41's left but a few gaps in the 43 fleet at YW. But this is NX so most likely be the 44's to be sent to AG hahaha
If you look at the fleet, the 9 E400's we're in receipt of will nicely level out with the removal & transfer of:
4358
4359
4364
4365
4366
4367
4368
4390
4393
Will slot in nicely with YW's 43 hundreds. That'll leave BC with:
4313
4314
4315
4316
4317
4318
4320
4321
4323
4324
4325
4326
4327
4328
of the 43XX batch. (If you dont count 4218?)
How many Presidents are heading to Scotland in total?
I would think a couple more presidents may got to WB from YW to make the 5 fully president operated as at the moment the alx400/gemini's/mercs all still appear in the daytime.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 17, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
How many Presidents are heading to Scotland in total?
I dont know exactly my friend as my previous post was just if these common trends continue. I'm sure a substansial [sp] amount will, though.
Possibility from YW to WB to fully convert the 5?
Of course the bad news is if BC do lose the 43's then 41's will be displaced to other roads, naturally. I'm betting that, as usual, the 44's and 46's will keep to East Birmingham routes. You dont see 44's and 46's as often as you should on South Birmingham routes.
Dundee forum states Presidents 4116/9 have arrived, plan is to replace all B10s upto 7153.
Can some one please confirm this is correct and what's replaced the Presidents in Birmingham?
4312 now at YW out on the 6 today
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
4312 now at YW out on the 6 today
Think it went to YW quite a few weeks back now. Hasn't been around Wolverhampton anyway
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 17, 2013, 10:15:08 PM
Dundee forum states Presidents 4116/9 have arrived, plan is to replace all B10s upto 7153.
Can some one please confirm this is correct and what's replaced the Presidents in Birmingham?
Tridents cascaded from other garages (Wolverhampton and Birmingham Central so far) following the arrival of new buses.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 24, 2013, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
4312 now at YW out on the 6 today
Think it went to YW quite a few weeks back now. Hasn't been around Wolverhampton anyway
I think it only appeared for the first time at YW today ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 24, 2013, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
4312 now at YW out on the 6 today
Think it went to YW quite a few weeks back now. Hasn't been around Wolverhampton anyway
I think it only appeared for the first time at YW today ;)
Definately out last week, I checked tickets on it on the 6 one day
I saw it last week too by the garage (think I mentioned it on another thread), It's definitely been at YW for a while just maybe spent most of its time in the garage.
1836 is on the 8 Today, possible transfer from Perry Barr, or maybe just on loan
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
1836 is on the 8 Today, possible transfer from Perry Barr, or maybe just on loan
WA8 or Inner Circle?
Quote from: Shaun on June 27, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
1836 is on the 8 Today, possible transfer from Perry Barr, or maybe just on loan
WA8 or Inner Circle?
Inner Circle :) 1836 maybe just On Loan to BY but I could be wrong
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 27, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 27, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
1836 is on the 8 Today, possible transfer from Perry Barr, or maybe just on loan
WA8 or Inner Circle?
Inner Circle :) 1836 maybe just On Loan to BY but I could be wrong
Yeah, sorry I should have put 8A. I have a theory that it might have transferred and replaced at Perry Barr by an ex-Coventry OmniLink, but I don't know if Bordesley need an extra bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9150219347/
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 27, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 27, 2013, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: John on June 27, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
1836 is on the 8 Today, possible transfer from Perry Barr, or maybe just on loan
WA8 or Inner Circle?
Inner Circle :) 1836 maybe just On Loan to BY but I could be wrong
Yeah, sorry I should have put 8A. I have a theory that it might have transferred and replaced at Perry Barr by an ex-Coventry OmniLink, but I don't know if Bordesley need an extra bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9150219347/
I don't think so I think that's why BY transferred 1836 back to PB when it was at BY a while back :)
1870 on the 28 new transfer from coventry
4390 and 4393 both at Yardley Wood now.
4390 on 2/3 and 4393 on 76
Quote from: John on June 28, 2013, 12:19:11 PM
4390 and 4393 both at Yardley Wood now.
4390 on 2/3 and 4393 on 76
Thanks, my fleet list will be updated.
Tonys changes on the Homepage will be massive this month.
Quote from: John on June 28, 2013, 12:19:11 PM
4390 and 4393 both at Yardley Wood now.
4390 on 2/3 and 4393 on 76
Whoa, I had 4390 on the 900 only on Monday! Lucky I had it when I did!
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
Fine by me, send them to the graveyard garage ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
Fine by me, send them to the graveyard garage ;)
:o :o :o
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
I agree, don't see why YW gets the less old Tridents whilst one of the premier garages BC gets lumbered with the 41**s, although having said that I must say I do prefer most Y-reg Tridents to the 52's
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
I'll compromise then, BC can have them back if they take over the 35 from YW ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:32:34 PM
BV52s are always a welcome addition to YW ;)
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
I agree, don't see why YW gets the less old Tridents whilst one of the premier garages BC gets lumbered with the 41**s, although having said that I must say I do prefer most Y-reg Tridents to the 52's
Driving wise the 52's win hands down. The 41's are really shabby. 4202 is the only decent one in my opinion. Even the add blue 41's are crap.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
I'll compromise then, BC can have them back if they take over the 35 from YW ;)
Makes sense, what's the PVR for the 35? ;D
I think It's about 11 but don't quote me on that! One day I'll work it out properly ;)
I've always preferred the BV52s to the Y reg they are easily the best batch of Tridents NXWM have!
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
I think It's about 11 but don't quote me on that! One day I'll work it out properly ;)
I've always preferred the BV52s to the Y reg they are easily the best batch of Tridents NXWM have!
We could fit that in easily ;)
They were the best, the BV52's, until the 46**'s got refurbed properly. Really good the 43's
were , still are the best.
They're better then all these new buses. I bet we'll be saying about the E400 once they get phased out like the Metros vs. Trident, Trident vs. E400, E400 vs. SuperMega Bus (or w/e it will be in 20 years time lol)
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
I think It's about 11 but don't quote me on that! One day I'll work it out properly ;)
I've always preferred the BV52s to the Y reg they are easily the best batch of Tridents NXWM have!
We could fit that in easily ;)
They were the best, the BV52's, until the 46**'s got refurbed properly. Really good the 43's were , still are the best.
Sounds like a plan! In fairness it sounds logical as the 35 crosses over the 45 route just before Hawkesley!
They are, I still haven't been on a refurbed 46** yet so can't judge them, only one I've done is Julie which seemed sluggish!
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
I think It's about 11 but don't quote me on that! One day I'll work it out properly ;)
I've always preferred the BV52s to the Y reg they are easily the best batch of Tridents NXWM have!
We could fit that in easily ;)
They were the best, the BV52's, until the 46**'s got refurbed properly. Really good the 43's were , still are the best.
Sounds like a plan! In fairness it sounds logical as the 35 crosses over the 45 route just before Hawkesley!
They are, I still haven't been on a refurbed 46** yet so can't judge them, only one I've done is Julie which seemed sluggish!
Yeah, all new engined buses now are sluggish on the pull away. Dont know why.
Maybe the 35 could come to BC... Just a serious thought. And we'll have the 50 back aswell whlist we're here lol
I suppose we should be grateful they stopped with the new engines when they did in that case!
As long as the BV52s went with it I'd be happy, it Would certainly throw some variety up seeing BC's fleet in Kings Heath once more :P
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
YW Dont deserve them. YW should have it's 41's back, we dont want that dirty 4147 or the rest hehehe ;D
I'll compromise then, BC can have them back if they take over the 35 from YW ;)
No chance, the idea was to keep the 52's off the 35 ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
I suppose we should be grateful they stopped with the new engines when they did in that case!
As long as the BV52s went with it I'd be happy, it Would certainly throw some variety up seeing BC's fleet in Kings Heath once more :P
Indeed! Always was a pleasure seeing the old 42XX's on the 50 with Lynx's on the 27/35 with MkIIA's on the 11 with the odd Trident scattered over the High Street. Good times.
Anyway,
Anyone got any idea where 4140 is? Struggling to find it. Is it at Walsall for obviousness?
The best Voiths are the BU04's at Wolverhampton, if it's speed/performance that you judge by. The best ZF's are of course the 54's and selected 53's
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 28, 2013, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:41:13 PM
The best Voiths are the BU04's at Wolverhampton, if it's speed/performance that you judge by. The best ZF's are of course the 54's and selected 53's
4541 and my favourite 4609 in particular;)
4575 seems to be the fastest Voith to me
Not sure why but coventrys tridents always seem quicker may be just the way there driven
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
I suppose we should be grateful they stopped with the new engines when they did in that case!
As long as the BV52s went with it I'd be happy, it Would certainly throw some variety up seeing BC's fleet in Kings Heath once more :P
Indeed! Always was a pleasure seeing the old 42XX's on the 50 with Lynx's on the 27/35 with MkIIA's on the 11 with the odd Trident scattered over the High Street. Good times.
Anyway,
Anyone got any idea where 4140 is? Struggling to find it. Is it at Walsall for obviousness?
4140 is still at BC, drove it twice in the last 5 days
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 28, 2013, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
I suppose we should be grateful they stopped with the new engines when they did in that case!
As long as the BV52s went with it I'd be happy, it Would certainly throw some variety up seeing BC's fleet in Kings Heath once more :P
Indeed! Always was a pleasure seeing the old 42XX's on the 50 with Lynx's on the 27/35 with MkIIA's on the 11 with the odd Trident scattered over the High Street. Good times.
Anyway,
Anyone got any idea where 4140 is? Struggling to find it. Is it at Walsall for obviousness?
4140 is still at BC, drove it twice in the last 5 days
It's on the 24 today, complete with mega side for Pacific Rim.
Quote from: Mike K on June 28, 2013, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 28, 2013, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 28, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 01:23:31 PM
I suppose we should be grateful they stopped with the new engines when they did in that case!
As long as the BV52s went with it I'd be happy, it Would certainly throw some variety up seeing BC's fleet in Kings Heath once more :P
Indeed! Always was a pleasure seeing the old 42XX's on the 50 with Lynx's on the 27/35 with MkIIA's on the 11 with the odd Trident scattered over the High Street. Good times.
Anyway,
Anyone got any idea where 4140 is? Struggling to find it. Is it at Walsall for obviousness?
4140 is still at BC, drove it twice in the last 5 days
It's on the 24 today, complete with mega side for Pacific Rim.
4139 was having something done to the offside today, I presume it was losing its UWE megaside and getting a different one
I notice from Tony's photo of 4909 @ Miller St, 1601 is in the background now withdrawn ex WB
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4909.html
Quote from: Winston on June 30, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
I notice from Tony's photo of 4909 @ Miller St, 1601 is in the background now withdrawn ex WB
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4909.html
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Quote from: Winston on June 30, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
I notice from Tony's photo of 4909 @ Miller St, 1601 is in the background now withdrawn ex WB
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4909.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4909.html)
1601 has the new fleetnames, can't have been there for very long
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 30, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
I notice from Tony's photo of 4909 @ Miller St, 1601 is in the background now withdrawn ex WB
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4909.html
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Have I missed something here? :D What are AG getting in return? I suppose more Presidents from YW! :-\
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
Have I missed something here? :D What are AG getting in return? I suppose more Presidents from YW! :-\
I wouldn't think so, otherwise one would have gone from Yardley Wood straight to West Bromwich, unless it is part of a larger group of transfers to happen
Quote from: John on June 30, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
Have I missed something here? :D What are AG getting in return? I suppose more Presidents from YW! :-\
I wouldn't think so, otherwise one would have gone from Yardley Wood straight to West Bromwich, unless it is part of a larger group of transfers to happen
Unless it's part of the master plan to tidy up blocks of fleet numbers across the various garages.
Quote from: Mike K on June 30, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: John on June 30, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
Have I missed something here? :D What are AG getting in return? I suppose more Presidents from YW! :-\
I wouldn't think so, otherwise one would have gone from Yardley Wood straight to West Bromwich, unless it is part of a larger group of transfers to happen
Unless it's part of the master plan to tidy up blocks of fleet numbers across the various garages.
It would make sense.
Maybe this'll be the time when 4218 gets back to its own city. Over here stealing our mileage and taking all of BC's benefits (hahahaha)
Quote from: The Rat on June 30, 2013, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 30, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: John on June 30, 2013, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2013, 06:30:52 PM
Have I missed something here? :D What are AG getting in return? I suppose more Presidents from YW! :-\
I wouldn't think so, otherwise one would have gone from Yardley Wood straight to West Bromwich, unless it is part of a larger group of transfers to happen
Unless it's part of the master plan to tidy up blocks of fleet numbers across the various garages.
It would make sense.
Maybe this'll be the time when 4218 gets back to its own city. Over here stealing our mileage and taking all of BC's benefits (hahahaha)
I hope 4218 never return to Coventry garage again. 4218 should stay in BC garage or transferred to WB or WN.
Quote from: 6013 on July 01, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
I hope 4218 never return to Coventry garage again. 4218 should stay in BC garage or transferred to WB or WN.
Ouch! What did it do to upset you so much?
I think it's very likely to go to WB to be the only one of its type there. Either that or stay
in BC garage for good. Bad 4218.
I doubt tridents will be introduced at WB even though some drivers have been type trained for when they were going to enter service on the 74 this got changed and were used on the 79 at Wolverhampton instead. I would expect more presidents to replace the R and S reg mercs at WB and guess the presidents will be used on the 83/89 and 48/49.
Tridents at WB? In my wildest dreams ::)
June fleet changes now on front page of main site. A few don't seem to have made the company computer yet, these are highlighted
Safe to say 4196 BC - PE?
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 05:29:45 PM
Safe to say 4196 BC - PE?
Yes along with the rest of the 419*'s when they arrive at PE. I thought it was later 43** tridents going to PE but i was wrong.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 05:29:45 PM
Safe to say 4196 BC - PE?
Yes along with the rest of the 419*'s when they arrive at PE. I thought it was later 43** tridents going to PE but i was wrong.
No they're going to YW from BC, aren't they?
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 05:29:45 PM
Safe to say 4196 BC - PE?
Yes along with the rest of the 419*'s when they arrive at PE. I thought it was later 43** tridents going to PE but i was wrong.
No they're going to YW from BC, aren't they?
4390 and 4393 are already back at Yardley Wood
Quote from: John on July 04, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: The Rat on July 04, 2013, 05:29:45 PM
Safe to say 4196 BC - PE?
Yes along with the rest of the 419*'s when they arrive at PE. I thought it was later 43** tridents going to PE but i was wrong.
No they're going to YW from BC, aren't they?
4390 and 4393 are already back at Yardley Wood
I am aware thanks the same :)
Yes i know that just thats what i thought at first but remembered that 4390/3 are at YW now.
Anything between 4187 and 4202 would sound about right then you arent sending one with 14 branding or one with a new engine although that clump is a mixed bag in itself with 4194 and 4199 still in twm, the rest in red livery and 4197 away for refurb, decent selection of tridents in my opinion, happy to see them at PE, sad to see the crusaders go even though theyve all had new fleetnames applied which is bonkers
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
Quote from: 6013 on July 05, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
4202 is now at Pensentt and was refurbished/repainted a while with the later dark blue moquette
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 6013 on July 05, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
4202 is now at Pensentt and was refurbished/repainted a while with the later dark blue moquette
I believe Pensnett may have sent 4202 straight to Walsall for a retrim/repaint
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2013, 04:29:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 6013 on July 05, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
4202 is now at Pensentt and was refurbished/repainted a while with the later dark blue moquette
I believe Pensnett may have sent 4202 straight to Walsall for a retrim/repaint
Oh right, at least that suggests that the batch of Tridents due, may all be getting refurbished with NX moquette & the new shade of red/white
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 6013 on July 05, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
4202 is now at Pensentt and was refurbished/repainted a while with the later dark blue moquette
Best cab seat award goes to 4202.
Quote from: Winston on July 05, 2013, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 6013 on July 05, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
4202 should not back to Coventry garage because there are too much dirty in Seat covers. Many window got vandalism. If 4202 going to refusb seats and new window then going to coventry.
Coventry still running 3 old mercs with old travel livery is 1547, 1604, and 1608. 1547 are very good condition and second 1608 are good condition.
4202 is now at Pensentt and was refurbished/repainted a while with the later dark blue moquette
It was only on the Pershore just 4 days ago, I'm sure. Hm, they work fast then Pensnett.
Where did that come from? 4202 has never been allocated and probably wont ever be allocated there. It was refurbished in october 2011. 4193 only got done a few months ago, 4197 is being done, so are the rest going to have a repaint and retrim so as to have a nice looking matching set rather than a mish mash
516 WA-Withdrawn
Leaving only 5 Volvo B6
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 06, 2013, 08:40:11 PM
516 WA-Withdrawn
Leaving only 5 Volvo B6
Is it fair to say that the routes that they remaining B6LE are operated on can only accommodate midi buses?
70/70a get b6s almost daily still, 69 also, 335/6 daily with one doing a trip on the 6.
The 70/69 rarely get Volvo B6`s Monday-Friday. The odd apperance on Saturday.
70A has 1-2 B6
and 335/336 use`s 2 which no other bus can accomondate on there
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 07, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
It will be interesting to see what eventually replaces the last few B6LE's at WA, I assume 12M single deckers are also too long
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 07, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
It will be interesting to see what eventually replaces the last few B6LE's at WA, I assume 12M single deckers are also too long
No doubt NX will stick with E200s.
Quote from: JackC on July 07, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 07, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
It will be interesting to see what eventually replaces the last few B6LE's at WA, I assume 12M single deckers are also too long
No doubt NX will stick with E200s.
Why couldn't they have kept some Solo's at Walsall for the Alumwell route?
(They might even have won the evening & Sunday contract, if they had!)
Quote from: Westy on July 07, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: JackC on July 07, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 07, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
It will be interesting to see what eventually replaces the last few B6LE's at WA, I assume 12M single deckers are also too long
No doubt NX will stick with E200s.
Why couldn't they have kept some Solo's at Walsall for the Alumwell route?
(They might even have won the evening & Sunday contract, if they had!)
Are you serious?
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2013, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: Westy on July 07, 2013, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: JackC on July 07, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 07, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
4137 made an appearance on the 336 a couple of weeks ago. There are too many low trees around Alumwell and parked cars. A double deck is not suitable for this route.
It will be interesting to see what eventually replaces the last few B6LE's at WA, I assume 12M single deckers are also too long
No doubt NX will stick with E200s.
Why couldn't they have kept some Solo's at Walsall for the Alumwell route?
(They might even have won the evening & Sunday contract, if they had!)
Are you serious?
Lol thats nonsense but even if they had won it with solos, the route wouldnt have run due to breakdowns etc. Awful buses...
A couple of the alx200 darts may be 3601/3608 would suit the route well and both in NXWM livery.
Quote from: Ash on July 07, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
A couple of the alx200 darts may be 3601/3608 would suit the route well and both in NXWM livery.
The 335/336 can carry some good loads, 28 seaters on there would not be good. It was tried once but soon went back to 37 seaters
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2013, 10:12:29 PM
Quote from: Ash on July 07, 2013, 10:10:26 PM
A couple of the alx200 darts may be 3601/3608 would suit the route well and both in NXWM livery.
The 335/336 can carry some good loads, 28 seaters on there would not be good. It was tried once but soon went back to 37 seaters
The other option is get the council to cut the trees back, double deckers are the same length as a B6LE and should be equally as maneuverable
1871 now also at Perry Barr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9254262275/
Could liberators not be used on 335/3r6 as theyre a similar length to the thandi dart on their 335 most days
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 11, 2013, 10:11:56 AM
Could liberators not be used on 335/3r6 as theyre a similar length to the thandi dart on their 335 most days
Standard Darts are 10.6M long same as B6LE, SPD's are 11.3M long while Liberators are 12M long and slightly wider than Midi's
Ohh i see, i thought it could be managed given that the training fleet endurances somnetimes squeeze round Alumwell
I know it doesn't do the whole of Alumwell, but I travelled on a Liberator on the 332 route before when NXWM operated it.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 11, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
Ohh i see, i thought it could be managed given that the training fleet endurances somnetimes squeeze round Alumwell
A double decker would be better, as they are 10.6M long same as a B6LE, but until the issues with overhanging tree's are addressed its not an option
4194 BC - PE
4195 BC - PE
4196 BC - PE
4197 BC - PE
4198 BC - PE
4202 BC - PE
4390 BC - YW
4393 BC - YW
?
The ones I propose are going are as follows:
4364 - BC to yw
4365 - BC to yw
4366 - BC to yw
4367 - BC to yw
4368 - BC to yw
4191 - BC to pe
4192 - BC to pe
4193 - BC to pe
4199 - BC to pe
4200 - BC to pe
4201 - BC to pe
Any thoughts?
Quote from: The Rat on July 11, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
The ones I propose are going are as follows:
4364 - BC to yw
4365 - BC to yw
4366 - BC to yw
4367 - BC to yw
4368 - BC to yw
4191 - BC to pe
4192 - BC to pe
4193 - BC to pe
4199 - BC to pe
4200 - BC to pe
4201 - BC to pe
Any thoughts?
They would be the most obvious choice, as they seems to favour re-creating blocks of fleetnumbers
Going by what my sister said "the 243 went across the main road towards sedgley"
PN B6 to WN
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
Going by what my sister said "the 243 went across the main road towards sedgley"
PN B6 to WN
Interesting, thought that all the PE B6s were to be withdrawn?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 11, 2013, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
Going by what my sister said "the 243 went across the main road towards sedgley"
PN B6 to WN
Interesting, thought that all the PE B6s were to be withdrawn?
It may not have been going to wolverhampton, but i can't think of any other reason for it to have been in upper gornal
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 11, 2013, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
Going by what my sister said "the 243 went across the main road towards sedgley"
PN B6 to WN
Interesting, thought that all the PE B6s were to be withdrawn?
It may not have been going to wolverhampton, but i can't think of any other reason for it to have been in upper gornal
No i can't think of one either, especially with 243 on the blind unless it was on a test run from PE, but a little far out for that?
No B6's have left PN yet
555 now in service at WN now.Spotted on the 26 in Wolverhampton late afternoon
Any updates of NXWM vehicles that due to be disposed and scrapped?
Quote from: Sayeed_M on July 15, 2013, 07:27:57 PM
Any updates of NXWM vehicles that due to be disposed and scrapped?
Yeah All the Spectra's about 2 years ago :o
Coventry Transfer in July:-
1866 to PB due this week.
1867 to PB?
1866 to PB in last week.
1868 to PB in last week. (In walsall for repaint)
1869 to PB
1874 to PB (In walsall for repaint)
CV:-
1863
1864
1865
1872
1873
PB:-
1866
1869
1870
1871
1875
1876
1877
Mercs:-
1547, 1548, and 1608 still running in Coventry and Three of these mercs are very good condition than any of mercs with NXC livery.
Not sure of 1604 and 1612 but maybe been withdrawn yet? I seen 1612 in Coventry garage moment but maybe enter service in tomorrow.
Thank God! 1612 back out on the 27 at today! Expect only 1604 hasn't service in this week yet (Probably withdrawn)...
2170 has first enter service on 20 at today!
1608 has removed old logo and back out on the 5.
Quote from: 6013 on July 18, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
Coventry Transfer in July:-
1866 to PB due this week.
1867 to PB?
1866 to PB in last week.
1868 to PB in last week. (In walsall for repaint)
1869 to PB
1874 to PB (In walsall for repaint)
CV:-
1863
1864
1865
1872
1873
PB:-
1866
1869
1870
1871
1875
1876
1877
Mercs:-
1547, 1548, and 1608 still running in Coventry and Three of these mercs are very good condition than any of mercs with NXC livery.
Not sure of 1604 and 1612 but maybe been withdrawn yet? I seen 1612 in Coventry garage moment but maybe enter service in tomorrow.
1865 now at Perry Barr on the 28 today
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
Great News!!! 1548, 1608, 1612 has removed a old logo in yesterday and new logo fitted up on them. 6019 has removed old logo and replace to new logo. Now 99% of Coventry bus fleet who have logo with NX Coventry but only 4219 still old travel logo!
1547, 1548,1608, and 1612 will stay couple of years. They are old travel livery on mercs with R & S reg.
Just because they have a new fleetnames applied to them doesn't mean they will remain in service for a couple of years, for example 1527 at WB was the first merc to be repainted into the new NXWM livery and was withdrawn a while back now.
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 02:37:55 PM
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
Great News!!! 1548, 1608, 1612 has removed a old logo in yesterday and new logo fitted up on them. 6019 has removed old logo and replace to new logo. Now 99% of Coventry bus fleet who have logo with NX Coventry but only 4219 still old travel logo!
1547, 1548,1608, and 1612 will stay couple of years. They are old travel livery on mercs with R & S reg.
Just because they have a new fleetnames applied to them doesn't mean they will remain in service for a couple of years, for example 1527 at WB was the first merc to be repainted into the new NXWM livery and was withdrawn a while back now.
Nooooo!!! 1527 been withdrawn reason there are worst condition. 1547,1548,1608,1612 still very good condition that why NXC engineering want to keep running and put fitted a new logo. 1555, 1565 with NXC livery been withdrawn reason poor condition.
1539 was in fantastic condition still in the 1998 even with the very old fleet numbers but got withdrawn I think it's more due to the mechanical state of the vehicle for example corrosion of the chassis rather than internally.
Ash you're spot on.
I expect if the legal data panel were to change and it was applied to all remaining buses, our friend would take it as a sign that they were safe from withdrawal for a few years.
Cloud cuckoo land.
1930 was on the 952 today has it transferred to PB or is it just On Loan. I've recorded a video of it I've just finished uploading it I'll post the link later
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 23, 2013, 10:29:27 AM
1930 was on the 952 today has it transferred to PB or is it just On Loan. I've recorded a video of it I've just finished uploading it I'll post the link later
Its probably YW's contribution to the Tunnel strategic reserves.....
Quote from: Winston on July 23, 2013, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 23, 2013, 10:29:27 AM
1930 was on the 952 today has it transferred to PB or is it just On Loan. I've recorded a video of it I've just finished uploading it I'll post the link later
Its probably YW's contribution to the Tunnel strategic reserves.....
Thanks Winston :) Just wondered
1874 now at Perry Barr, was on the 28 today
554 in service now at WN on the 27 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 24, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
554 in service now at WN on the 27 today
Yes spotted it earlier, didn't take long to return to Dudley, has it always made a strange whirring fan like noise? Or have WN garage crocked it already as it didn't sound that healthy
4358 now at YW out on the 76 today
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 27, 2013, 09:10:54 AM
4358 now at YW out on the 76 today
Looks like the late Rat's prediction of 4358/9 and 4364-4368 to YW might well be correct.
Quote from: Mike K on July 27, 2013, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 27, 2013, 09:10:54 AM
4358 now at YW out on the 76 today
Looks like the late Rat's prediction of 4358/9 and 4364-4368 to YW might well be correct.
4359 is now also back at Yardley Wood as well, according to a comment left on my flickr site
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 24, 2013, 07:43:06 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 24, 2013, 07:02:30 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 24, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
554 in service now at WN on the 27 today
Yes spotted it earlier, didn't take long to return to Dudley, has it always made a strange whirring fan like noise? Or have WN garage crocked it already as it didn't sound that healthy
It did make a strange noise the other week when me and matt rode it on the 244
That's 544
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA painshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Has 582 now been sighted at WN?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 27, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
Don't know why i included 582 in th fleet list althogh more than likely will go to WN along 510 and 544
I thought all PN B6s except poor 502 had gone to WN?
Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 27, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
1678 only req front end respray they respayed 586/662 when they left cov 1678 may have low mileage,higher residual value.
Quote from: pb2012 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 27, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
1678 only req front end respray they respayed 586/662 when they left cov 1678 may have low mileage,higher residual value.
Possible, but when i asked Simon if there was a chance if 1633, 1645 & 1646 could have a new coat of paint to tidy them up a bit, he replied " In terms of 1633, 1645 and 1646 we feel that the resources available to us for repainting and refurbishment are best used on vehicles which will remain in service for some years to come", so i think the Mercs are now on borrowed time.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
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Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
1678 only req front end respray they respayed 586/662 when they left cov 1678 may have low mileage,higher residual value.
Possible, but when i asked Simon if there was a chance if 1633, 1645 & 1646 could have a new coat of paint to tidy them up a bit, he replied " In terms of 1633, 1645 and 1646 we feel that the resources available to us for repainting and refurbishment are best used on vehicles which will remain in service for some years to come", so i think the Mercs are now on borrowed time.
Looking at it another way though, that could just be certain garages ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
Well with 300 buses approximatley due i would imagine most if not all of the older fleet will be replaced.
Strangely, i think the older Mercs at PE look in better condition than the newer ones.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:52:53 PM
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
Well with 300 buses approximatley due i would imagine most if not all of the older fleet will be replaced.
Strangely, i think the older Mercs at PE look in better condition than the newer ones.
Yeah i kind of have to agree :) I do prefer older mercs than new ones. 1540 is a good one
1515, 1520, 1521 and 1540 I all love. In fairness though, 1628 and 1649 I also like a lot, but the older Mercs just seem to generally be in a better state than the newer ones, on the outside anyway. They also seem faster to me
Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 27, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
From Simon's reply & Stu's question re: repainting 1633, 1645 & 1646 in NX livery at Pensnett, the gist of the answer was that it was not worth re-painting/refurbing anymore Mercs, to me it sounds as though the entire Merc fleet could be on borrowed time. I understand parts are becoming expensive/harder to obtain in the UK and I suspect the Mercs may be quite thirsty on the old diesel with their 12 litre engines
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on July 27, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
1678 only req front end respray they respayed 586/662 when they left cov 1678 may have low mileage,higher residual value.
Possible, but when i asked Simon if there was a chance if 1633, 1645 & 1646 could have a new coat of paint to tidy them up a bit, he replied " In terms of 1633, 1645 and 1646 we feel that the resources available to us for repainting and refurbishment are best used on vehicles which will remain in service for some years to come", so i think the Mercs are now on borrowed time.
Stu, you beat me to it
Quote from: Andrew on July 27, 2013, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:21:08 PM
Thanks for the correction matt :)544 and 554 are easily mistaken.
4361 BC-WA?
508/554/5/81/82 PE-WN
1678 WN-CV(Currently at WA paintshop according to Driver03
4200/1 BC-PE
Find that very strange, repainting a Merc that has very limited time left before withdrawl?
If it's moving to CV it would have to be painted into NXC colours
The newer O405Ns 1628+ will more than likely have a few years left with NX before withdrawal
1678 only req front end respray they respayed 586/662 when they left cov 1678 may have low mileage,higher residual value.
Possible, but when i asked Simon if there was a chance if 1633, 1645 & 1646 could have a new coat of paint to tidy them up a bit, he replied " In terms of 1633, 1645 and 1646 we feel that the resources available to us for repainting and refurbishment are best used on vehicles which will remain in service for some years to come", so i think the Mercs are now on borrowed time.
Looking at it another way though, that could just be certain garages ;)
As PE has the largest allocation of Mercs and Mark II Mercs are also entering the training fleet is expect most if not all could be gone by June 2015 by which time there will be 300 extra shinny new buses on WM roads
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4361 BC-WA?
4361 is a Yarlwood bus. Would be surprised if it were a permanent move given that 4358/9 have moved to YW to fill the number sequence of 43xxs there. Is / was it a 'tunnel spare' like 1930 which was on the 952 last week?
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4361 BC-WA?
4361 is a Yarlwood bus. Would be surprised if it were a permanent move given that 4358/9 have moved to YW to fill the number sequence of 43xxs there. Is / was it a 'tunnel spare' like 1930 which was on the 952 last week?
Well as i said think it was rob spotted it on WA40 a few days before son not a tunnel closure spare. I will find the post now
I seen it while I was passing on a 51 I noticed it front red bumper ;)
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4361 BC-WA?
4361 is a Yarlwood bus. Would be surprised if it were a permanent move given that 4358/9 have moved to YW to fill the number sequence of 43xxs there. Is / was it a 'tunnel spare' like 1930 which was on the 952 last week?
Well as i said think it was rob spotted it on WA40 a few days before son not a tunnel closure spare. I will find the post now
Yes you are correct, I remember that now - so not a tunnel spare. Would still be surprised if it were a permanent move though.
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4361 BC-WA?
4361 is a Yarlwood bus. Would be surprised if it were a permanent move given that 4358/9 have moved to YW to fill the number sequence of 43xxs there. Is / was it a 'tunnel spare' like 1930 which was on the 952 last week?
Well as i said think it was rob spotted it on WA40 a few days before son not a tunnel closure spare. I will find the post now
I seen it while I was passing on a 51 I noticed it front red bumper ;)
Could it have been going to WA for refurb?
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 10:17:28 PM
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4361 BC-WA?
4361 is a Yarlwood bus. Would be surprised if it were a permanent move given that 4358/9 have moved to YW to fill the number sequence of 43xxs there. Is / was it a 'tunnel spare' like 1930 which was on the 952 last week?
Well as i said think it was rob spotted it on WA40 a few days before son not a tunnel closure spare. I will find the post now
Yes you are correct, I remember that now - so not a tunnel spare. Would still be surprised if it were a permanent move though.
I don't believe 4361 has been at WA
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 27, 2013, 09:36:07 PM
I thought all PN B6s except poor 502 had gone to WN?
No not yet matt but should do shortly :)
Just waiting for 582 now guys, we've had 508 instead of 510 plus 554, 555 and 581.
Quote from: BN on July 28, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
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I thought all PN B6s except poor 502 had gone to WN?
No not yet matt but should do shortly :)
Just waiting for 582 now guys, we've had 508 instead of 510 plus 554, 555 and 581.
510 gone to Miller Street with 502 then?
Anyone confirm:
4359 BC - YW?
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Anyone confirm:
4359 BC - YW?
Anybody?
I have had a comment left on my pic of 4358 on Flickr saying 4359 has also transferred. See comment at the bottom of -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9299508471/
Quote from: John on July 28, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 28, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
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Anyone confirm:
4359 BC - YW?
Anybody?
I have had a comment left on my pic of 4358 on Flickr saying 4359 has also transferred. See comment at the bottom of -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9299508471/
Interesting, is this Ian chap reliable?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 28, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
Interesting, is this Ian chap reliable?
He has been so far, yes. Each previous transfer he has posted has turned out to be right
Quote from: John on July 28, 2013, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 28, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
Interesting, is this Ian chap reliable?
He has been so far, yes. Each previous transfer he has posted has turned out to be right
I wish he were a member of this forum.
No problem John, thanks. It does make sense to transfer them. Shame as they were fast buses.
Yeah '59 has gone YW.
4315 BC - YW, operating on the 49 this evening.
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Nice to hear.
That'll make the most sense, Mr K, as I think its unfair for BC to lost the later 43's. Do you have a list of YW 43's so we can see what'll make the most sense to transfer? Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
Saying that whilst were on the subject, can't they do something with 4319 & 4322 to tidy up that section? Seems odd they're at Cov with 4218 in Brum..
Anyone shed any light?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Nice to hear.
That'll make the most sense, Mr K, as I think its unfair for BC to lost the later 43's. Do you have a list of YW 43's so we can see what'll make the most sense to transfer? Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
They should now have all of 4333 to 4395 except for 4364 to 4368.
When 4218 has completed the repair and maybe going to Walsall garage for repaint for which one NXC or NXWM then return to our garage.
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Nice to hear.
That'll make the most sense, Mr K, as I think its unfair for BC to lost the later 43's. Do you have a list of YW 43's so we can see what'll make the most sense to transfer? Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
They should now have all of 4333 to 4395 except for 4364 to 4368.
And I think 64-68 all have the ThreeBee's advert, looking a mess now.
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
and 4368 was on the 60 today :)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 08:07:30 PM
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Nice to hear.
That'll make the most sense, Mr K, as I think its unfair for BC to lost the later 43's. Do you have a list of YW 43's so we can see what'll make the most sense to transfer? Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
They should now have all of 4333 to 4395 except for 4364 to 4368.
And I think 64-68 all have the ThreeBee's advert, looking a mess now.
4364/4366/4368 have the adverts 4365 is in TWM Livery & 4367 in NXWM Livery :)
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Quote from: Mike K on July 29, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 07:03:39 PM
Retrospectively speaking, it could be said 4313 & 14 could be gone to YW, by the looks of things. Bit odd if 15 was a one off transfer.
Well transferring 4313/4/5 would make sense keeping 4310-15 together
There should be around 5 still to depart so maybe 4313-7 to Yarlwood meaning a reprieve for 4364-8?
4364 was on the 24 today.
Nice to hear.
That'll make the most sense, Mr K, as I think its unfair for BC to lost the later 43's. Do you have a list of YW 43's so we can see what'll make the most sense to transfer? Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
They should now have all of 4333 to 4395 except for 4364 to 4368.
And I think 64-68 all have the ThreeBee's advert, looking a mess now.
4364/4366/4368 have the adverts 4365 is in TWM Livery & 4367 in NXWM Livery :)
Cheers for clearing that up for me Bob.
Bob? ;)
Anyway back to transfers, No sign of 544 at WN yet. Has this gone to Miller Street?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Bob? ;)
Anyway back to transfers, No sign of 544 at WN yet. Has this gone to Miller Street?
Its not at PE Nathan, checked today. :)
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 29, 2013, 09:03:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Bob? ;)
Anyway back to transfers, No sign of 544 at WN yet. Has this gone to Miller Street?
Its not at PE Nathan, checked today. :)
544 not due at WN its going to MS
Matt thinks its gone to MS but i think its gone to WN. Haven't seen 508/81 in service yet. Seen The Screaming Cat on the 28 (Transferred onto a 26 by late afternoon) today :)
Quote from: BN on July 29, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 29, 2013, 09:03:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Bob? ;)
Anyway back to transfers, No sign of 544 at WN yet. Has this gone to Miller Street?
Its not at PE Nathan, checked today. :)
544 not due at WN its going to MS
Matt thinks its gone to MS but i think its gone to WN. Haven't seen 508/81 in service yet. Seen The Screaming Cat on the 28 (Transferred onto a 26 by late afternoon) today :)
WN better off without 544, not a good B6 at all.
Only ever broken down on one B6 and it was 544, everytime i have seen it lately, it has been struggling.
Would assume that WN will be getting 582 shortly, still parked at PE so maybe awaiting parts or just for someone to come and collect it!
Nath, as I said I was 99% certain 544 was going to MS, as I explained it wouldn't make sense it transferring to WN. 582 will be going to WN
I believe WN will get more B6s from other garages
Personally never had a problem with 544, its 581 you'll need to watch at wolves as its another ex walsall snail. WB could get away with transferring one or two over to wolves but i dont think theyd have enough small buses if they did unless WB has a decent number of spares anyway, correct me if im wrong, not a total expert on WB
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 29, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Personally never had a problem with 544, its 581 you'll need to watch at wolves as its another ex walsall snail. WB could get away with transferring one or two over to wolves but i dont think theyd have enough small buses if they did unless WB has a decent number of spares anyway, correct me if im wrong, not a total expert on WB
Not sure what you're on about there, 581 was the fastest B6 at Pensnett on a par with 555, and is quite possibly the best sounding B6 in the fleet, ideally suited to routes like the 27
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 29, 2013, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 29, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Personally never had a problem with 544, its 581 you'll need to watch at wolves as its another ex walsall snail. WB could get away with transferring one or two over to wolves but i dont think theyd have enough small buses if they did unless WB has a decent number of spares anyway, correct me if im wrong, not a total expert on WB
Not sure what you're on about there, 581 was the fastest B6 at Pensnett on a par with 555, and is quite possibly the best sounding B6 in the fleet, ideally suited to routes like the 27
It was a good un when it left! But it was a snail when it first transferred
Quote from: richie on July 29, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
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Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 29, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Personally never had a problem with 544, its 581 you'll need to watch at wolves as its another ex walsall snail. WB could get away with transferring one or two over to wolves but i dont think theyd have enough small buses if they did unless WB has a decent number of spares anyway, correct me if im wrong, not a total expert on WB
Not sure what you're on about there, 581 was the fastest B6 at Pensnett on a par with 555, and is quite possibly the best sounding B6 in the fleet, ideally suited to routes like the 27
It was a good un when it left! But it was a snail when it first transferred
Exactly! I don't know whether the engineers did something to it or what, but a month or two back it went from being one of the worst to the best
Thats what i meant, it was a snail but got better over its 2 years at the farm
Did 4358/59 fit a gap @ YW?
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- As if you didn't know.
So with 4315, 58 and 59 I would expect YW to loose 3 buses....
..... will it be Presidents or B10s?
Quote from: YW4355 on July 30, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
So with 4315, 58 and 59 I would expect YW to loose 3 buses....
..... will it be Presidents or B10s?
Engineer on the OMSI bus simulator forum told me that YW aren't due to loose anymore B10's in the current future and will favour loosing B7's
4086 parked up in West Brom Bus Station this afternoon.
A few more presidents for the 5 at WB wouldn't surprise me as it always seems to have enviro 200's or mercs appearing daily with the odd gemini or alx400.
If WB could do with more presidents why didn't some EX-AG Gemini stay at acocks green instead of transferring so many to WB.
Quote from: Ash on July 30, 2013, 04:34:03 PM
A few more presidents for the 5 at WB wouldn't surprise me as it always seems to have enviro 200's or mercs appearing daily with the odd gemini or alx400.
A couple more to fully convert the 5 and a few on routes like the 48 would be a good idea. Maybe the 48 could get some branding like the 5 which looks really smart
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 30, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
If WB could do with more presidents why didn't some EX-AG Gemini stay at acocks green instead of transferring so many to WB.
The Geminis were needed at WB to ensure that WB could turn out appropriate vehicles onto routes into Birmingham City Centre. Presidents weren't acceptable for the new Euro 3+ regulations there.
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Quote from: lynx1103 on July 30, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
If WB could do with more presidents why didn't some EX-AG Gemini stay at acocks green instead of transferring so many to WB.
The Geminis were needed at WB to ensure that WB could turn out appropriate vehicles onto routes into Birmingham City Centre. Presidents weren't acceptable for the new Euro 3+ regulations there.
Thats why they now operate the 11A/C as it doesn't touch the city centre
Quote from: YW4355 on July 30, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
So with 4315, 58 and 59 I would expect YW to loose 3 buses....
..... will it be Presidents or B10s?
4313 now as well transferred to Yardley Wood.
Quote from: John on July 30, 2013, 10:21:07 PM
Quote from: YW4355 on July 30, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
So with 4315, 58 and 59 I would expect YW to loose 3 buses....
..... will it be Presidents or B10s?
4313 now as well transferred to Yardley Wood.
No doubt 4314 to follow shortly now most if not all the new E400s are in service. I wonder whether BC will only lose a total of 18 buses for the time being while 4218 is out of action.
Will 4218 return to BC then or go to another garage?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
Will 4218 return to BC then or go to another garage?
No idea but BC is already reportedly short of buses so I'm just speculating whether 19 E400s in might not mean 19 Tridents out while 4218 is off the road. Given current management's liking for keeping blocks of fleet numbers together I wonder whether it might go to Coventry once repaired and repainted.
I hope my 4314 does go to YW, be easier to find, do miss that one
If 4218 return to Coventry garage and should be 4319 transferred to YW.
Can I just clear this up.
Since BC's acquisition of 19 Enviro400's, the loss is as follows:
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
16 in total. 3 more to go, and looking at the fleetlist if they're trying to keep groups together BC will still be left with one or two 'stray' vehicles. Has PE got its full allocation of Tridents now? If so, then it'll most likely be 4314, 4316 & 17 to YW. Hopefully something can be done with CV's 4319 & 4322. Anyone have any further ideas to tidy up this section?
I forgot 4218. If that goes to CV, that'll free up 4322 to BC, but BC will still be left with 4318 stray?
4084 to west bromwich
Liverpool Street, Yes PN have got there full allocation of tridents but 4197 and 4202 have still yet to enter service after repaint
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
This has probally already been answered so SORRY if it has.
which garage are the above buses going to ?
Quote from: NathanJC on July 31, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
This has probally already been answered so SORRY if it has.
which garage are the above buses going to ?
All of those are now at Yardley Wood Nathan, transferred from Central. (ps Stop apologizing, this is a forum for people to ask questions :) )
Quote from: John on July 31, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 31, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
This has probally already been answered so SORRY if it has.
which garage are the above buses going to ?
All of those are now at Yardley Wood Nathan, transferred from Central. (ps Stop apologizing, this is a forum for people to ask questions :) )
Thanks John, an I have to as I know I get on peoples nevers with 1001 questions :(
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
Can I just clear this up.
Since BC's acquisition of 19 Enviro400's, the loss is as follows:
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
16 in total. 3 more to go, and looking at the fleetlist if they're trying to keep groups together BC will still be left with one or two 'stray' vehicles. Has PE got its full allocation of Tridents now? If so, then it'll most likely be 4314, 4316 & 17 to YW. Hopefully something can be done with CV's 4319 & 4322. Anyone have any further ideas to tidy up this section?
I forgot 4218. If that goes to CV, that'll free up 4322 to BC, but BC will still be left with 4318 stray?
Can you tell me if 4364-4368 are staying or moving? :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2013, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
Can I just clear this up.
Since BC's acquisition of 19 Enviro400's, the loss is as follows:
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
16 in total. 3 more to go, and looking at the fleetlist if they're trying to keep groups together BC will still be left with one or two 'stray' vehicles. Has PE got its full allocation of Tridents now? If so, then it'll most likely be 4314, 4316 & 17 to YW. Hopefully something can be done with CV's 4319 & 4322. Anyone have any further ideas to tidy up this section?
I forgot 4218. If that goes to CV, that'll free up 4322 to BC, but BC will still be left with 4318 stray?
Can you tell me if 4364-4368 are staying or moving? :)
Staying most likely, the only garage it'll make sense to move to is YW, and unless we get more new buses then they'll not be going anywhere. Will do in February '14 though.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:02:12 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2013, 08:54:25 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
Can I just clear this up.
Since BC's acquisition of 19 Enviro400's, the loss is as follows:
4193
4194
4195
4196
4197
4198
4199
4200
4201
4202
4313
4315
4358
4359
4390
4393
16 in total. 3 more to go, and looking at the fleetlist if they're trying to keep groups together BC will still be left with one or two 'stray' vehicles. Has PE got its full allocation of Tridents now? If so, then it'll most likely be 4314, 4316 & 17 to YW. Hopefully something can be done with CV's 4319 & 4322. Anyone have any further ideas to tidy up this section?
I forgot 4218. If that goes to CV, that'll free up 4322 to BC, but BC will still be left with 4318 stray?
Can you tell me if 4364-4368 are staying or moving? :)
Staying most likely, the only garage it'll make sense to move to is YW, and unless we get more new buses then they'll not be going anywhere. Will do in February '14 though.
Thank You for the Info :)
I would still value your opinion on which vehicles could move to complete the 19-move transaction, Rob. :)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I would still value your opinion on which vehicles could move to complete the 19-move transaction, Rob. :)
Well if only 3 more can move I've can think of 2 ways
4314/4316/4317 BC-YW
or If 4218 gets repainted into NXC Livery
4218 BC-CV
4314/4316 BC-YW
4319 CV-BC or 4322 CV-BC
Hope this is OK :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2013, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I would still value your opinion on which vehicles could move to complete the 19-move transaction, Rob. :)
Well if only 3 more can move I've can think of 2 ways
4314/4316/4317 BC-YW
or If 4218 gets repainted into NXC Livery
4218 BC-CV
4314/4316 BC-YW
4319 CV-BC or 4322 CV-BC
Hope this is OK :)
Nice, just annoying it has to be one or the other regarding '19 / '22.
By the looks of things 4218 will go back where it belongs then. Makes most sense really. Thanks a lot for that Rob mate. :)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2013, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I would still value your opinion on which vehicles could move to complete the 19-move transaction, Rob. :)
Well if only 3 more can move I've can think of 2 ways
4314/4316/4317 BC-YW
or If 4218 gets repainted into NXC Livery
4218 BC-CV
4314/4316 BC-YW
4319 CV-BC or 4322 CV-BC
Hope this is OK :)
Nice, just annoying it has to be one or the other regarding '19 / '22.
By the looks of things 4218 will go back where it belongs then. Makes most sense really. Thanks a lot for that Rob mate. :)
No Worries :)
Just heard of Ian on Flickr that 4314 has transferred to Yardley Wood
Just got myself a mission for saturday, a game of "wheres that trident?" :D
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2013, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 31, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I would still value your opinion on which vehicles could move to complete the 19-move transaction, Rob. :)
Well if only 3 more can move I've can think of 2 ways
4314/4316/4317 BC-YW
or If 4218 gets repainted into NXC Livery
4218 BC-CV
4314/4316 BC-YW
4319 CV-BC or 4322 CV-BC
Hope this is OK :)
4218 could go to Coventry as it will no doubt need repainting so it doesnt matter if its NXC or NXWM, but I couldnt see the logic in transfering 4319 or 4322 cus they would need repainting purely for their transfer
Transferring 4319 and 4322 to BC would mean they get a fresh repaint plus a refurb possibly and it would keep the fleetnumbers together
4314 was on the 3 today so definatly at YW
4316 still at BC unfortunately
Quote from: John on August 02, 2013, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2013, 11:00:07 PM
4316 still at BC unfortunately
Not one you like then LS :-\
Only reason being is the fleet number. I dislike low-numbered 43's. Don't look right in South Brum.
Tony! I want you post on fleet changes in July on main site at today till 5pm! After 5pm, I will not back again on site because My family going to Netherlands for Holiday for one week.
Quote from: 6013 on August 03, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
Tony! I want you post on fleet changes in July on main site at today till 5pm! After 5pm, I will not back again on site because My family going to Netherlands for Holiday for one week.
Who the hell do you think you are demanding for Tony to update the fleet list prior to 5pm on a specific date? Don't you have internet in the Nederlands? >:(
Calm down, I'm sure he didn't mean it like that, perhaps a bad choice of wording (not his fault as English isn't his first language)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 12:10:55 AM
Don't you have internet in the Nederlands? >:(
It's not the problem with internet, it's got to do with accessing to this website. When I was in Turkey I couldn't able to access it because it doesn't exist there, tried via google still
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 03, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 12:10:55 AM
Don't you have internet in the Nederlands? >:(
It's not the problem with internet, it's got to do with accessing to this website. When I was in Turkey I couldn't able to access it because it doesn't exist there, tried via google still
What? So within the EC and using an international server you can't access it in the Nederlands? Turkey I can understand but Dutch? Come off it mate.
If I were Tony I'd deliberately wait till after the time asked.
People like that who constantly demand make me sick.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 12:31:44 AM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 03, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 03, 2013, 12:10:55 AM
Don't you have internet in the Nederlands? >:(
It's not the problem with internet, it's got to do with accessing to this website. When I was in Turkey I couldn't able to access it because it doesn't exist there, tried via google still
What? So within the EC and using an international server you can't access it in the Nederlands? Turkey I can understand but Dutch? Come off it mate.
If I were Tony I'd deliberately wait till after the time asked.
People like that who constantly demand make me sick.
To be honest Tony most likely won't read this until after the 'set' time lol
Yes true, My family visit to my friend house but I don't think my friend doesn't have internet.
Quote from: 6013 on August 03, 2013, 08:35:24 AM
... I don't think my friend doesn't have internet.
That's okay then, he has got internet after all.
Tony, would you please ring me if you post the fleet updates between 1335 and 1350 because I'm planning on going to the toilet then, and I need to know immediately they're on line.
Most of the revenue team including me were at a Charity event for Cancer Research yesterday evening for one of our colleagues and his wife who have both been diagnosed with cancer. So there was no way I could do any updates yesterday. Telling me to put changes up by a set time may also be impossible because it depends on when the changes are sent to me!
I did have the changes yesterday, but not being at home between 7am and 11pm made publishing them a bit difficult! They will be appearing on the main site in the next hour
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2013, 10:28:46 AM
Most of the revenue team including me were at a Charity event for Cancer Research yesterday evening for one of our colleagues and his wife who have both been diagnosed with cancer.
Tony, if you post a link to a Just Giving site for that excellent cause, I'll have no hesitation in making a donation. Great work.
4085 at WB on the 83
Quote from: Paul on August 03, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
4085 at WB on the 83
I thought Presidents didn't comply with the new emission rules
1864 now at PB
Seen on 952 today
Wonder how long for B10L at perry barr
Quote from: NathanJC on August 03, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: Paul on August 03, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
4085 at WB on the 83
I thought Presidents didn't comply with the new emission rules
Same with Mercs the 83/89 are half hourly so Euro 2 buses are ok
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 03, 2013, 06:38:58 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on August 03, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: Paul on August 03, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
4085 at WB on the 83
I thought Presidents didn't comply with the new emission rules
Same with Mercs the 83/89 are half hourly so Euro 2 buses are ok
And the 140/241 and 141 which saw a few Mercs a while back, they are both a half hour frequency so Mercs can be used, even though it is extremely rare for one to appear on there
Quote from: NathanJC on August 03, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: Paul on August 03, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
4085 at WB on the 83
I thought Presidents didn't comply with the new emission rules
They are classed as 2 separate routes running every 30 minutes. They create a combined frequency, but they are 2 completely different routes, it's different with the 127-9 or 140/1 because they have more in common.
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 03, 2013, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on August 03, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: Paul on August 03, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
4085 at WB on the 83
I thought Presidents didn't comply with the new emission rules
They are classed as 2 separate routes running every 30 minutes. They create a combined frequency, but they are 2 completely different routes, it's different with the 127-9 or 140/1 because they have more in common.
The 140/1 obviously don't interwork though (with the exception of one peak 141 in the morning going onto the 140/241 later), so I think Mercs would be allowed on the 140 or 141
1863 now red at Perry Barr and was on the 28 today
President 4056 is currently on the pits at WB so presumably moved over the weekend :) (don't think it has been in service yet)
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 03, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
1864 now at PB
Seen on 952 today
Wonder how long for B10L at perry barr
Hopefully about 5 minutes.
Quote from: uniquicity on August 12, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
President 4056 is currently on the pits at WB so presumably moved over the weekend :) (don't think it has been in service yet)
There should soon be 3 further withdrawn Mercs from WB following receipt of 4056, 4057 & 4085
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 12, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
President 4056 is currently on the pits at WB so presumably moved over the weekend :) (don't think it has been in service yet)
There should soon be 3 further withdrawn Mercs from WB following receipt of 4056, 4057 & 4085
Might be a co-incidence, but 1523 was parked at the depot today not doing much. Couldn't see if the ticket machine had been removed.
Quote from: uniquicity on August 12, 2013, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 12, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
President 4056 is currently on the pits at WB so presumably moved over the weekend :) (don't think it has been in service yet)
There should soon be 3 further withdrawn Mercs from WB following receipt of 4056, 4057 & 4085
Might be a co-incidence, but 1523 was parked at the depot today not doing much. Couldn't see if the ticket machine had been removed.
Possible being WB's oldest Merc
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Heard a rumour that WN is to lose its Volvo B5 green thingys to BC doing a swap with BCs E400H's
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Heard a rumour that WN is to lose its Volvo B5 green thingys to BC doing a swap with BCs E400H's
This was a rumour a while ago, before the Hybrids arrived at WN, it was rumoured that they wanted BC & WN to just have one type of Hybrid at there garage, however it never happened.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Heard a rumour that WN is to lose its Volvo B5 green thingys to BC doing a swap with BCs E400H's
This was a rumour a while ago, before the Hybrids arrived at WN, it was rumoured that they wanted BC & WN to just have one type of Hybrid at there garage, however it never happened.
Thats an ancient rumour unless you know something all of us don't?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Heard a rumour that WN is to lose its Volvo B5 green thingys to BC doing a swap with BCs E400H's
This was a rumour a while ago, before the Hybrids arrived at WN, it was rumoured that they wanted BC & WN to just have one type of Hybrid at there garage, however it never happened.
Thats an ancient rumour unless you know something all of us don't?
Would be expensive to do now with a number of WNs B5s having branding.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Isn't 1556 un-refurbished as well?
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Isn't 1556 un-refurbished as well?
I don't think it is Winston
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Isn't 1556 un-refurbished as well?
I don't think it is Winston
Its got full connector bars so I'd be surprised if it had a retrim during that period?
I wonder what a garage take into consideration when deciding what vehicles should be withdrawn.
Obviously the age and general overall condition of that vehicle, but do they take the service history into account? I always notice at PE that the T and V reg Mercs always seem to be under repair more the R and S reg ones.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I wonder what a garage take into consideration when deciding what vehicles should be withdrawn.
Obviously the age and general overall condition of that vehicle, but do they take the service history into account? I always notice at PE that the T and V reg Mercs always seem to be under repair more the R and S reg ones.
The garages don't! Someone at head office does mostly decided on the book value.
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2013, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I wonder what a garage take into consideration when deciding what vehicles should be withdrawn.
Obviously the age and general overall condition of that vehicle, but do they take the service history into account? I always notice at PE that the T and V reg Mercs always seem to be under repair more the R and S reg ones.
The garages don't! Someone at head office does mostly decided on the book value.
Damn! There is my hopes of PE getting rid of 1645/6 gone.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2013, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I wonder what a garage take into consideration when deciding what vehicles should be withdrawn.
Obviously the age and general overall condition of that vehicle, but do they take the service history into account? I always notice at PE that the T and V reg Mercs always seem to be under repair more the R and S reg ones.
The garages don't! Someone at head office does mostly decided on the book value.
Damn! There is my hopes of PE getting rid of 1645/6 gone.
There book value will be lower than similar Mercs due to not being refurbished
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2013, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 08:24:48 PM
I wonder what a garage take into consideration when deciding what vehicles should be withdrawn.
Obviously the age and general overall condition of that vehicle, but do they take the service history into account? I always notice at PE that the T and V reg Mercs always seem to be under repair more the R and S reg ones.
The garages don't! Someone at head office does mostly decided on the book value.
Damn! There is my hopes of PE getting rid of 1645/6 gone.
There book value will be lower than similar Mercs due to not being refurbished
Thats cheered me up thanks Winston. :)
Its something to do with a lack of power in the Volvo B5s, thats all ive been told.
1556 and 1592 are also unrefurbished mercs
On a definate note, 4084 back at WB, on the 5 today
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 13, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
Its something to do with a lack of power in the Volvo B5s, thats all ive been told.
1556 and 1592 are also unrefurbished mercs
On a definate note, 4084 back at WB, on the 5 today
Who did you hear the rumour from Ashley? I would say it's possible at some point given the quantities if the 2 Hybrid vehicle types but the WN hybrids haven't been in service for long and it looks like NXWM intend comparing vehicle types alongside one another on the same routes. I think it was Driver03 who said there was no issue with keeping to time on the 1 with B5s.
While the E400H may be quicker over the first few yards pulling away, performance seems to be a lot to do with the way buses are driven. There's one driver on the 22/23 who, lets just say, is good at making up time when running late. He certainly doesn't let a B5 slow him down.
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: John on August 12, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 12, 2013, 07:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 12, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
If they withdrew WBs oldest Mercs then 1523 1561 and 1577 would be a good guess given their lack of refurb.
Isn't 1556 un-refurbished as well?
I don't think it is Winston
Its got full connector bars so I'd be surprised if it had a retrim during that period?
Yes, seen 1556 today on the 42, still has the original seats from new
Quote from: Mike K on August 13, 2013, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 13, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
Its something to do with a lack of power in the Volvo B5s, thats all ive been told.
1556 and 1592 are also unrefurbished mercs
On a definate note, 4084 back at WB, on the 5 today
Who did you hear the rumour from Ashley? I would say it's possible at some point given the quantities if the 2 Hybrid vehicle types but the WN hybrids haven't been in service for long and it looks like NXWM intend comparing vehicle types alongside one another on the same routes. I think it was Driver03 who said there was no issue with keeping to time on the 1 with B5s.
While the E400H may be quicker over the first few yards pulling away, performance seems to be a lot to do with the way buses are driven. There's one driver on the 22/23 who, lets just say, is good at making up time when running late. He certainly doesn't let a B5 slow him down.
The set up is different on both vehicles and I think the B5 take more getting used to. I believe the E400 are quicker off the mark but the B5's will catch them no problem after an engine restart & a couple of gear changes! once them B5's get going they shift! the one I was on last week demolished the Northway on the way to Dudley and was still accelerating most the way up the hill no problem at all :)
I believe 1556 is best sound of our in fleet list.
Quote from: 4006 on August 14, 2013, 01:42:39 AM
Quote from: Mike K on August 13, 2013, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 13, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
Its something to do with a lack of power in the Volvo B5s, thats all ive been told.
1556 and 1592 are also unrefurbished mercs
On a definate note, 4084 back at WB, on the 5 today
Who did you hear the rumour from Ashley? I would say it's possible at some point given the quantities if the 2 Hybrid vehicle types but the WN hybrids haven't been in service for long and it looks like NXWM intend comparing vehicle types alongside one another on the same routes. I think it was Driver03 who said there was no issue with keeping to time on the 1 with B5s.
While the E400H may be quicker over the first few yards pulling away, performance seems to be a lot to do with the way buses are driven. There's one driver on the 22/23 who, lets just say, is good at making up time when running late. He certainly doesn't let a B5 slow him down.
The set up is different on both vehicles and I think the B5 take more getting used to. I believe the E400 are quicker off the mark but the B5's will catch them no problem after an engine restart & a couple of gear changes! once them B5's get going they shift! the one I was on last week demolished the Northway on the way to Dudley and was still accelerating most the way up the hill no problem at all :)
You rode one on the 27?
Or he was the driver of the bus?
You rode one on the 27?
5514 on the 25/27 10th Aug if not already posted by someone
first topic to hit page 100 ? ;D well off topic I know, just wondering
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
first topic to hit page 100 ? ;D well off topic I know, just wondering
I think it is Nathan :D
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
first topic to hit page 100 ? ;D well off topic I know, just wondering
I think it is Nathan :D
Pensnett Garage isn't far behind
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 16, 2013, 12:02:25 AM
Quote from: John on August 15, 2013, 10:14:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
first topic to hit page 100 ? ;D well off topic I know, just wondering
I think it is Nathan :D
Pensnett Garage isn't far behind
It's about the only time that phrase can be used about Pensnett garage.
Shows how it's the garage people are most interested in though, as it has by far the most posts of the garage threads ;)
Not that it matters, but a quick glance at some of the back-pages reveals that the Farm's thread has a pretty high chaff count unrelated to the topic, being more social banter.
Not that there's anything wrong with banter, as this is...
Was I going crazy or did I see 2153 on the WM 16 yesterday? Has this been transferred?
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 18, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Was I going crazy or did I see 2153 on the WM 16 yesterday? Has this been transferred?
More like Diamonds plain white B7rles
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 16, 2013, 04:13:43 PM
Not that it matters, but a quick glance at some of the back-pages reveals that the Farm's thread has a pretty high chaff count unrelated to the topic, being more social banter.
Not that there's anything wrong with banter, as this is...
Also the Pensentt garage thread was started before the threads for the other garages.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 18, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 18, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Was I going crazy or did I see 2153 on the WM 16 yesterday? Has this been transferred?
More like Diamonds plain white B7rles
Would have been 30923, or a Wessex one. 30923 was on the 50 today
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 18, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Was I going crazy or did I see 2153 on the WM 16 yesterday? Has this been transferred?
Yes it was a Plain white Diamond B7RLE (Think its on loan to Long Acre?)
582 is in Walsall yard
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 20, 2013, 03:18:11 PM
582 is in Walsall yard
Yes stated by Tony yesterday. 582 is at WA now. Was due to go to WN
1430 is now at Walsall on the 69 today
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 06:35:11 AM
1430 is now at Walsall on the 69 today
1430 was always the smartest B10L at Perry Barr. Nice that it has gone to Walsall. has it replaced another B10L, or is it an extra?
Im hoping its an extra
582 possible to replace 516
1430 maybe to cover 4129
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
582 possible to replace 516
1430 maybe to cover 4129
1435 was never replaced
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
582 possible to replace 516
1430 maybe to cover 4129
Aren't both of these expected to make a return to service though?
4129 probably will, 516 i hope not lol
Not sure if it's been mentioned but 4326 is now at YW, seen on the 50 today.
has a scania worked the 50 before ? really feel ive asked this question already
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 04, 2013, 07:21:14 PM
has a scania worked the 50 before ? really feel ive asked this question already
Back when the Pope visited Cofton Park, the 50 was 100% Scania for the day!
Quote from: trident4370 on September 04, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but 4326 is now at YW, seen on the 50 today.
That's a strange one as it breaks the sequential numbering which is in favour these days.
Would have thought 4316 would have been a more likely candidate.
Quote from: Mike K on September 04, 2013, 07:43:59 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 04, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but 4326 is now at YW, seen on the 50 today.
That's a strange one as it breaks the sequential numbering which is in favour these days.
Would have thought 4316 would have been a more likely candidate.
I did a double take when I saw it too! I guess it could just be a temporary loan.
Unless the plan is to transfer 4316 to 4326 to YW but that isnt enough to displace all of YWs Presidents so could be just temporary
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 05, 2013, 09:12:01 AM
Unless the plan is to transfer 4316 to 4326 to YW but that isnt enough to displace all of YWs Presidents so could be just temporary
I really hope not, would rather have the 436*s back than more of the older sheds!
Apart from 4314, I do agree some of the earlier 43s are abit bland
Hang on. Someone implied there are different degrees of blandness among Tridents.
I need to try and work that one out...
I just think that 4333 onwards mostly, have more about them, im not sure what it is either, theyre all better than the green, blue or red plastic junk I stand by that
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 05, 2013, 05:28:01 PM
I just think that 4333 onwards mostly, have more about them, im not sure what it is either, theyre all better than the green, blue or red plastic junk I stand by that
4355 onwards are even better, I do have a soft spot for 4340 though!
Having read a message on WMBus Yahoo Group earlier, I now think it sounds more likely BC may have gained a 50 running board as it was reported 4906 was on there today, I haven't seen it myself so am unable to confirm, just read the message, but 4326 was definitely on there yesterday.
Quote from: trident4370 on September 05, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Having read a message on WMBus Yahoo Group earlier, I now think it sounds more likely BC may have gained a 50 running board as it was reported 4906 was on there today, I haven't seen it myself so am unable to confirm, just read the message, but 4326 was definitely on there yesterday.
I saw 4906. It was around 3pm in Kings Heath not in service heading towards Maypole, then 10 minutes later it was in service heading into Birmingham. Saw it again when I got into Birmingham leaving again to Druids Heath
Quote from: John on September 05, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 05, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Having read a message on WMBus Yahoo Group earlier, I now think it sounds more likely BC may have gained a 50 running board as it was reported 4906 was on there today, I haven't seen it myself so am unable to confirm, just read the message, but 4326 was definitely on there yesterday.
I saw 4906. It was around 3pm in Kings Heath not in service heading towards Maypole, then 10 minutes later it was in service heading into Birmingham. Saw it again when I got into Birmingham leaving again to Druids Heath
Most likely just went to the Lanes End and back again, will have to keep my eyes peeled tomorrow morning, heres hoping a nice E400H sneaks out tomorrow!
Quote from: trident4370 on September 05, 2013, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: John on September 05, 2013, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 05, 2013, 06:26:10 PM
Having read a message on WMBus Yahoo Group earlier, I now think it sounds more likely BC may have gained a 50 running board as it was reported 4906 was on there today, I haven't seen it myself so am unable to confirm, just read the message, but 4326 was definitely on there yesterday.
I saw 4906. It was around 3pm in Kings Heath not in service heading towards Maypole, then 10 minutes later it was in service heading into Birmingham. Saw it again when I got into Birmingham leaving again to Druids Heath
Most likely just went to the Lanes End and back again, will have to keep my eyes peeled tomorrow morning, heres hoping a nice E400H sneaks out tomorrow!
Yep, I saw it parked up at Lanes End around 3:10 ish
4326 was on the 24 yesterday, so back at YW.
Sorry, I meant BC.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 07, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
4326 was on the 24 yesterday, so back at YW.
Its been at BC all the time, BC are operating certain journeys on the 50.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 07, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
4326 was on the 24 yesterday, so back at YW.
Hi Eric
The report of its transfer was erroneous. It was spotted on the 50, but was operating the BC running board 50-99 so was not transferred in the first palce
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2013, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 07, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
4326 was on the 24 yesterday, so back at YW.
Hi Eric
The report of its transfer was erroneous. It was spotted on the 50, but was operating the BC running board 50-99 so was not transferred in the first palce
I'm thankful that's been rectified, I was about to delete it off my fleetlist!
Looking forward to seeing an E200 on there...
How come 7020 gone back to acocks green bus garage it was at perry barr garage with the rest of ex dundee scania single decker
Quote from: raymondthebest on September 07, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
How come 7020 gone back to acocks green bus garage it was at perry barr garage with the rest of ex dundee scania single decker
7019 has as well. I expect AG needed more single deckers and 7019/7020 don't have the new ticket machines fitted.
AG may need further still when the 71 & 72 increase in frequency from Oct 27th
I rode 7020 on the 37 on Monday
Thanks winston and they have got 2122 and 2123 wright eclipse single decker from BC garage I though they was for 71 and 72 as well
Quote from: raymondthebest on September 07, 2013, 11:19:04 PM
Thanks winston and they have got 2122 and 2123 wright eclipse single decker from BC garage I though they was for 71 and 72 as well
I asked NXOD if 7019/20 were advanced moves for the frequency increase on the 71/72, he said no, they were moved for other reasons
Noticed 7020 is out on the 1 today.
7019 is also on the 1 with 7020 (and 2108). Be careful as there is a bus missing - the decision to curtail the 1 at Sheepcote Street to increase reliability doesn't seem to be working today.
I noticed 7019 in Broad Street not in service around 3:10 along with a B7RLE on the 1
Is 319 (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/319.html) transferred? As I saw at Selly Park few hours ago with blank destination
It was probably heading to Maypole for the Phoenix Shuttle, I had the delight of seeing a Toothpaste Enviro going past Kings Heath park a few weeks back!
Quote from: Sayeed_M on September 12, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Is 319 (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/319.html) transferred? As I saw at Selly Park few hours ago with blank destination
I can understand your reason for posting, but a bit of common sense Sayeed. Both garages in that territory has no reason for Solos.
just had a comment on my Flickr site, that 4111 is at Yardley Wood, and on the 18 today
Quote from: John on October 22, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
just had a comment on my Flickr site, that 4111 is at Yardley Wood, and on the 18 today
4111 is still at AG was on the 11E to Acocks Green seen it in Kings Heath this morning :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 23, 2013, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 22, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
just had a comment on my Flickr site, that 4111 is at Yardley Wood, and on the 18 today
4111 is still at AG was on the 11E to Acocks Green seen it in Kings Heath this morning :)
Thanks Rob. Must have been a loan yesterday then ;)
Any chance of updating NX fleet changes? (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5939e5632e02f1850f2bb6cdf8d57f7176d4ea6a)
Thanks
Quote from: Sayeed_M on November 02, 2013, 08:13:59 PM
Any chance of updating NX fleet changes? (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5939e5632e02f1850f2bb6cdf8d57f7176d4ea6a)
Thanks
Sayeed, please be patient, Tony will update the homepage when he has 5 minutes and when he's been emailed the most recent fleet list.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 02, 2013, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on November 02, 2013, 08:13:59 PM
Any chance of updating NX fleet changes? (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5939e5632e02f1850f2bb6cdf8d57f7176d4ea6a)
Thanks
Sayeed, please be patient, Tony will update the homepage when he has 5 minutes and when he's been emailed the most recent fleet list.
I have the Rotala changes, but not NXWM yet, will try and do Rotala's tomorrow, but I am doing overtime at BC again (957s) so won't have much time
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 02, 2013, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on November 02, 2013, 08:13:59 PM
Any chance of updating NX fleet changes? (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Frolleyes.gif&hash=5939e5632e02f1850f2bb6cdf8d57f7176d4ea6a)
Thanks
Sayeed, please be patient, Tony will update the homepage when he has 5 minutes and when he's been emailed the most recent fleet list.
I have the Rotala changes, but not NXWM yet, will try and do Rotala's tomorrow, but I am doing overtime at BC again (957s) so won't have much time
Thanks again, don't really mind waiting for a week for fleet changes, it's just usually updated by 3rd day of a month and that is why I asked
4315 back at BC which I mentioned in the Birmingham Central Garage thread.
Rough list based on reports and sightings on forum
1540/1541 - PE-Withdrawn
4250 - PB-WB
4315 - YW-BC
4348/4353 - YW-PE
4725/4726/4731 PB-YW
4914/4915/4916/4917/4918 - New to PB
There are also 2 more Tridents now transferred from Yardley Wood to Pensnett, reported last night. As yet these are unknown. This may mean a few more Perry Barr Enviro400s have transferred to Yardley Wood over the weekend
4729 was on the 50 yesterday if that helps ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on November 03, 2013, 11:57:48 AM
4729 was on the 50 yesterday if that helps ;)
Thanks Joe 8)
1540/1541 - PE-Withdrawn
4250 - PB-WB
4315 - YW-BC
4348/4353 - YW-PE
4725/4726/4729/4731 PB-YW
4914/4915/4916/4917/4918 - New to PB
Has anyone seen the 2 new Tridents at Pensnett?
Quote from: John on November 03, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
1540/1541 - PE-Withdrawn
4250 - PB-WB
4315 - YW-BC
4348/4353 - YW-PE
4725/4726/4729/4731 PB-YW
4914/4915/4916/4917/4918 - New to PB
Has anyone seen the 2 new Tridents at Pensnett?
Maybe 4075 is going to be withdrawn as well? Anyway Ta for the fleet changes! (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1a5545bce897a0493ff96ee191f6d744b5345738)
Quote from: Sayeed_M on November 03, 2013, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: John on November 03, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
1540/1541 - PE-Withdrawn
4250 - PB-WB
4315 - YW-BC
4348/4353 - YW-PE
4725/4726/4729/4731 PB-YW
4914/4915/4916/4917/4918 - New to PB
Has anyone seen the 2 new Tridents at Pensnett?
Maybe 4075 is going to be withdrawn as well? Anyway Ta for the fleet changes! (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1a5545bce897a0493ff96ee191f6d744b5345738)
No problem. These are what I could put together with reports of the forum. We will have to wait till Tony gets the official list to see all of the transfers/withdrawals not listed
4718 now at YW out on the 50 today
4719 was also on 50 today
Quote from: trident4370 on November 08, 2013, 05:19:29 PM
4719 was also on 50 today
There must be one more as well as 4718 and 4719, as 3 new ones entered service yesterday at Perry Barr
Quote from: John on November 08, 2013, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 08, 2013, 05:19:29 PM
4719 was also on 50 today
There must be one more as well as 4718 and 4719, as 3 new ones entered service yesterday at Perry Barr
4 entered service, not 3, but don't forget it could be 42xx going to WB
Are thereany more Presidents going to Dundee? They still have 6 B10L's. The first 10 B10BLE's are early models and may not have ramps.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 08, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
Are thereany more Presidents going to Dundee? They still have 6 B10L's. The first 10 B10BLE's are early models and may not have ramps.
The first 10 B10BLEs have recently been repainted, with the first Dundee B10BLE only just come out of the paintshop. I can't see them going for another year
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Yeah I think that instead of two more tridents to PE, AG will receive two presidents from YW
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 12, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Yeah I think that instead of two more tridents to PE, AG will receive two presidents from YW
Yardley Wood is due to receive 15 Enviros. There were a lot there today, not sure how many have actually arrived, but was not due to lose 15 buses, so there were a couple of spares to move around in case of unexpected losses
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 12, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Yeah I think that instead of two more tridents to PE, AG will receive two presidents from YW
I'm guessing it'll be either 4098 or 4105 to keep fleet numbers together :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 12, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Yeah I think that instead of two more tridents to PE, AG will receive two presidents from YW
I'm guessing it'll be either 4098 or 4105 to keep fleet numbers together :)
Just been confirmed to me that only one President is currently moving (4104). Enviros so far arrived at YW are
4718-20/25/26/28/29/31/32
4730 was still out on the Sutton Lines today
Quote from: John on November 12, 2013, 09:46:40 PM
4730 was still out on the Sutton Lines today
4721 was out on the 907 today aswell
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: John on November 12, 2013, 09:46:40 PM
4730 was still out on the Sutton Lines today
4721 was out on the 907 today aswell
I would imagine nearly all those not mentioned above will be out at PB
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 12, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Yeah I think that instead of two more tridents to PE, AG will receive two presidents from YW
I'm guessing it'll be either 4098 or 4105 to keep fleet numbers together :)
Just been confirmed to me that only one President is currently moving (4104). Enviros so far arrived at YW are
4718-20/25/26/28/29/31/32
Are PE due to recieve anymore tridents Tony
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 12, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
4104 is now at AG seen it on the 11C this morning at Yardley Swan possible replacement for 4075
Remember now I saw that yesterday morning too in Acocks Green village, round about 7:30am, thought the fleetnumber looked unfamiliar.
1676 and 4003 WN-Withdrawn
4310/11 YW-WN
4722 now at YW out on the 35 this morning
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 26, 2013, 01:47:03 PM
4722 now at YW out on the 35 this morning
beat me to it ;)
4724 was also on the35 this morning. 4721 was parked opposite Digbeth coach station with the hazard lights on. It may have had a collision with a car, which was nearby. I think it must also have been on the 35 as the16 does not go there.
4723 now at YW seen on the 35 at Moor Street this morning around 10:15
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 27, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
4723 now at YW seen on the 35 at Moor Street this morning around 10:15
Just two, 4727 & 4730 still left to move then
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2013, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 27, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
4723 now at YW seen on the 35 at Moor Street this morning around 10:15
Just two, 4727 & 4730 still left to move then
I did see 4730 this morning on the 902/4/5 so that has definitly not moved yet
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 27, 2013, 03:23:13 PM
4723 now at YW seen on the 35 at Moor Street this morning around 10:15
Forget this post 4723 is still at PB I must have mistaken it for 4725
7022 in Solihull today on theS1. Is this connected to the use of 2103 at Pensnett?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 28, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
7022 in Solihull today on theS1. Is this connected to the use of 2103 at Pensnett?
More than likely
Quote from: John on November 28, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 28, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
7022 in Solihull today on theS1. Is this connected to the use of 2103 at Pensnett?
More than likely
Looks like 7022 is a permanent move to AG as it was on the S1 again today but didn't see any others but I do know 2099 hasn't moved yet as it was on the 71/72 today
Did I just see 2102 on the 140 or was the dark playing tricks?
Quote from: N94 on November 29, 2013, 07:00:49 PM
Did I just see 2102 on the 140 or was the dark playing tricks?
It may well be? Might be the next B7RLE to be transferred over to PE?
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Great Pic Matt :) I'm keeping an eye on the 37/71/72 next week to see if any other omnilinks have moved to AG now 2102 is at PE
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Great Pic Matt :) I'm keeping an eye on the 37/71/72 next week to see if any other omnilinks have moved to AG now 2102 is at PE
It was just a quick phone pic, I have a better one on my camera ;)
My eyes are peeled for 2099-2101 over the next week. Who says it's only up to 2103 transferring though?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Great Pic Matt :) I'm keeping an eye on the 37/71/72 next week to see if any other omnilinks have moved to AG now 2102 is at PE
It was just a quick phone pic, I have a better one on my camera ;)
My eyes are peeled for 2099-2101 over the next week. Who says it's only up to 2103 transferring though?
Well 5
Omnidumps Omnilinks are transferring from PB to BC, 7021 -5, so it will be 5 to PE, 2099 - 2103 i assume. Although i can't see why they would leave 7019/20 at PB
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 29, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
Well 5 Omnidumps Omnilinks are transferring from PB to BC, 7021 -5, so it will be 5 to PE, 2099 - 2103 i assume. Although i can't see why they would leave 7019/20 at PB
7019/20 are back at Acocks Green, transferred a few months ago
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 29, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Great Pic Matt :) I'm keeping an eye on the 37/71/72 next week to see if any other omnilinks have moved to AG now 2102 is at PE
It was just a quick phone pic, I have a better one on my camera ;)
My eyes are peeled for 2099-2101 over the next week. Who says it's only up to 2103 transferring though?
Well 5 Omnidumps Omnilinks are transferring from PB to BC AG, 7021 -5, so it will be 5 to PE, 2099 - 2103 i assume. Although i can't see why they would leave 7019/20 at PB
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 29, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 29, 2013, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 08:20:52 PM
Look what just left Halesowen
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/11121778243
Great Pic Matt :) I'm keeping an eye on the 37/71/72 next week to see if any other omnilinks have moved to AG now 2102 is at PE
It was just a quick phone pic, I have a better one on my camera ;)
My eyes are peeled for 2099-2101 over the next week. Who says it's only up to 2103 transferring though?
Well 5 Omnidumps Omnilinks are transferring from PB to BC, 7021 -5, so it will be 5 to PE, 2099 - 2103 i assume. Although i can't see why they would leave 7019/20 at PB
But know one has confirmed that 5 Omnilinks are definitely leaving PB, it was just speculation based on 2103 being the first to go to PE and NXWM now generally move cascades around in blocks of fleet numbers
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 29, 2013, 09:26:32 PM
Well 5 Omnidumps Omnilinks are transferring from PB to BC, 7021 -5, so it will be 5 to PE, 2099 - 2103 i assume. Although i can't see why they would leave 7019/20 at PB
I'm sorry what have I missed??
7024 out on the 72 today
7023 was on the 71 (or 72) this morning at 7:20. Obviously transfers beginning to happen now
Weren't the ex-Dundee Omnilinks from 7021 upwards fitted with 'new-style' ticket machines with built-in printers?
I presume then that these will have the regular old red ticket printers installed before transfer?
Quote from: Stu on December 02, 2013, 06:45:46 PM
Weren't the ex-Dundee Omnilinks from 7021 upwards fitted with 'new-style' ticket machines with built-in printers?
I presume then that these will have the regular old red ticket printers installed before transfer?
I am surprised nobody has noticed. They have all had standard ticket machines fitted for about 4 weeks now.
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 02, 2013, 06:45:46 PM
Weren't the ex-Dundee Omnilinks from 7021 upwards fitted with 'new-style' ticket machines with built-in printers?
I presume then that these will have the regular old red ticket printers installed before transfer?
I am surprised nobody has noticed. They have all had standard ticket machines fitted for about 4 weeks now.
Thanks Tony! I personally wouldn't have noticed as I wouldn't have travelled on them while they were at Perry Barr! :D
(Even if I did, I have a pass anyway, so wouldn't have been issued with a ticket! ;))
4247 now at WB. On the 80 today.
Quote from: uniquicity on December 04, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
4247 now at WB. On the 80 today.
They're probably getting 4246-4250 :)
Also just been told by Ossie 7025 now at AG out on the 71/72 today
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 04, 2013, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on December 04, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
4247 now at WB. On the 80 today.
They're probably getting 4246-4250 :)
Also just been told by Ossie 7025 now at AG out on the 71/72 today
in connection, 2100 been reported arrived at PE
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 04, 2013, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 04, 2013, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on December 04, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
4247 now at WB. On the 80 today.
They're probably getting 4246-4250 :)
Also just been told by Ossie 7025 now at AG out on the 71/72 today
in connection, 2100 been reported arrived at PE
Also 2099 or 2101 may have moved aswell Stu as AG now have 7022/23/24/25 :)
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 02, 2013, 06:45:46 PM
Weren't the ex-Dundee Omnilinks from 7021 upwards fitted with 'new-style' ticket machines with built-in printers?
I presume then that these will have the regular old red ticket printers installed before transfer?
I am surprised nobody has noticed. They have all had standard ticket machines fitted for about 4 weeks now.
I presume they are not black as I remember some of Dundee had a Black ticket printer obv not used when I seen it last at PB when they were using the normal built in printers?
2100 now at Pensnett
7023/6 which were the two that initially ran at Bordesley with normal ticket machines were the two that had black out of use printers
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
2100 now at Pensnett
7023/6 which were the two that initially ran at Bordesley with normal ticket machines were the two that had black out of use printers
Is 2100 in service?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
2100 now at Pensnett
7023/6 which were the two that initially ran at Bordesley with normal ticket machines were the two that had black out of use printers
Is 2100 in service?
I think it was reported on another thread that it's on the 9 as we speak :P
Quote from: trident4370 on December 04, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 04:56:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
2100 now at Pensnett
7023/6 which were the two that initially ran at Bordesley with normal ticket machines were the two that had black out of use printers
Is 2100 in service?
I think it was reported on another thread that it's on the 9 as we speak :P
Yes, in Pensnett garage thread
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 04, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: richie on December 04, 2013, 02:34:38 PM
2100 arrived at PN 15 minutes ago
Its out on the 9 the 1600 from garage
Cheers, hadn't read that thread yet.
7021 now at AG out on the 71/72 today
2101 on the 120 today
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 06, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
7021 now at AG out on the 71/72 today
On the 1 this evening too.
So all PE need now is 2099 :)
2099 now at PE :)
So what's the list of B7RLE @ PE?
Quote from: Jack2001 on December 10, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
2099 now at PE :)
2099 must have transferred this afternoon as it was on the 37 this morning :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 10, 2013, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jack2001 on December 10, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
2099 now at PE :)
2099 must have transferred this afternoon as it was on the 37 this morning :)
It probably did a morning peak board on the 37,Went back to AG garage ready to transfer to PN in the afternoon
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 10, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 10, 2013, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: Jack2001 on December 10, 2013, 05:26:03 PM
2099 now at PE :)
2099 must have transferred this afternoon as it was on the 37 this morning :)
It probably did a morning peak board on the 37,Went back to AG garage ready to transfer to PN in the afternoon
I do see a 37E to Acocks Green in Solihull between 11:30am-12pm whenever I'm in Solihull on Thursday or Friday so it was probably that board :) I seen 2099 twice firstly in Sutton Coldfield Not in Service heading back to Garage then seen it on the 37 around 10:30am heading into Birmingham while waiting for 4624 I'd rather have the B7's than the Omnilinks ;)
And I'd rather have a ride on a merc over any B7 or Omnilink! ;)
Anyway I presume 2099 should be out in service tommorow unless it needs some mechanical attention of any sort?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 10, 2013, 09:39:57 PM
And I'd rather have a ride on a merc over any B7 or Omnilink! ;)
Anyway I presume 2099 should be out in service tommorow unless it needs some mechanical attention of any sort?
2099 seemed to be illusive to me I only seen it a few times I mostly get a 21** B7 whenever I need to get a 71 or 72 so I couldn't really tell you :)
2099 on the 140/241 today.
4249 now at WB. On the 80 today.
4723 now at YW
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
4723 now at YW
Keep an eye out for 4727 & 4730 aswell now all the Sutton Line Enviro's are now in service :)
4313 YW-WN
1654 and 167* (1675 i think) WN-Withdrawn (And will be sent for scrap)
4311 will transfer back to WN after repaint (Was only back at WN initially as a loan) and 4312 will be transfering back to WN also
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
4313 YW-WN
1654 and 167* (1675 i think) WN-Withdrawn (And scrapped)
They won't have been scrapped already! ;D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 18, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
4313 YW-WN
1654 and 167* (1675 i think) WN-Withdrawn (And scrapped)
They won't have been scrapped already! ;D
Just going off what Driver03 and BN told me
I think you may have misunderstood what they said. They would not have been moved to Miller Street, stripped for spares, sent to Barnsley etc in the space of 2 days. These things take a long time.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 18, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 18, 2013, 06:59:38 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 04:51:25 PM
4313 YW-WN
1654 and 167* (1675 i think) WN-Withdrawn (And scrapped)
They won't have been scrapped already! ;D
Just going off what Driver03 and BN told me
I think you may have misunderstood what they said. They would not have been moved to Miller Street, stripped for spares, sent to Barnsley etc in the space of 2 days. These things take a long time.
Plus at the moment, vehicles are taking a while to reach Miller St, think they must be short of space. Mind you the way things are going, PE car park will be full!
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
4723 now at YW
Keep an eye out for 4727 & 4730 aswell now all the Sutton Line Enviro's are now in service :)
I will do! I'd imagine 4727 will be next with 4730 being last, will have a look on friday but wouldn't be surprised if they are already at YW and I just haven't seen them. 4723 was out at PB yesterday though so that one either arrived last night or this morning.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
4723 now at YW
This will probably allow 4352 to transfer over to Pensnett to join 4346-51 and 4353
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 18, 2013, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 01:44:31 PM
4723 now at YW
This will probably allow 4352 to transfer over to Pensnett to join 4346-51 and 4353
Not necessarily, as WN have had 4313 from YW an extra
With 2 enviros left to arrive at YW though, I wouldn't be surprised if 4352 and 4314 are both gone by christmas, seems silly keeping 4314 on it's own and 4352 is inevitable.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 09:16:38 PM
With 2 enviros left to arrive at YW though, I wouldn't be surprised if 4352 and 4314 are both gone by christmas, seems silly keeping 4314 on it's own and 4352 is inevitable.
I guess it depends on how many more buses WN crash in the bus station........ ;)
WN have now had 4 of the Tridents that were available for cascade following the new E400's arriving at PB
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
I guess it depends on how many more buses WN crash in the bus station........ ;)
I guess it does, or you never know, PE might set fire to one for New Years Day ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
I guess it depends on how many more buses WN crash in the bus station........ ;)
I guess it does, or you never know, PE might set fire to one for New Years Day ;)
Are you noticing a pattern forming at PE & WN garages as well??
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 18, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
I guess it depends on how many more buses WN crash in the bus station........ ;)
I guess it does, or you never know, PE might set fire to one for New Years Day ;)
Are you noticing a pattern forming at PE & WN garages as well??
Good one Winston, and its mostly the Mercs as well which NXWM are desperate to get rid of
They are trying to get rid of the Spectra's too ;)
4730 just went past me on 35 so Im guessing theyre all here now.
4234 now at WB on the 128 today
Quote from: Mike K on December 19, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
4234 now at WB on the 128 today
She replaced 3034 in January 2010, so mixed feelings about losing her.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2013, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: Mike K on December 19, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
4234 now at WB on the 128 today
She replaced 3034 in January 2010, so mixed feelings about losing her.
Spending a long time repairing her putting it back into service
For a month then transferring it to West Bromwich
Oh yes, I'd forgotten 4234 was the cabriolet version.
4352 YW-PE
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Are any of those vehicles sought after in the preservationists circle? From my connections, it seems not.
well by the looks of it, the car park at PE is getting very full and yet no disposals have taken place for a while?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 07, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Are any of those vehicles sought after in the preservationists circle? From my connections, it seems not.
I guess some of those vehicles are still a bit modern to be hitting the preservation scene, but on saying that, if anyone is intending to save one they will need to secure one sooner rather than latter.
B10L 7122 from Dundee went to Dundee Bus Museum being the first B10L to be delivered in TD livery / first new bus in NX ownership. Dundee has also sold a couple of B10L's on for further use as well
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 07, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
well by the looks of it, the car park at PE is getting very full and yet no disposals have taken place for a while?
Not even the fire damaged Mercs have gone, I should imagine LH has a bit of clear out as a result of the withdrawn fleet being moved to PE
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 07, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Are any of those vehicles sought after in the preservationists circle? From my connections, it seems not.
A preserved b6 would be nice...
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 07, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 07, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Are any of those vehicles sought after in the preservationists circle? From my connections, it seems not.
A preserved b6 would be nice...
Yes in Travel Merry Hill livery, I'd quite like to see 1401 preserved or a former PB B10L in original line 33 livery
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 07, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 07, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on January 07, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
More withdrawn fleets... when are they going to dispose the old ones? Just curious
No doubt when the book value of each vehicle falls sufficiently to be able to scrap them / or they need to clear some space at LH / MS or PE. It doesn't seem as though there is much demand for the B6LE, B10L & Mercs to be sold on for further use.
Are any of those vehicles sought after in the preservationists circle? From my connections, it seems not.
A preserved b6 would be nice...
Yes in Travel Merry Hill livery, I'd quite like to see 1401 preserved or a former PB B10L in original line 33 livery
600 in TMH livery would be good.
I agree a b6 in TMH livery would be nice, would hope a b10b may be preserved though with them in the training fleet and not being withdrawn, I guess they are not a priority. Merc's it will be nice to see the back of-they look awful. Saw 1630 earlier with rusted lower panels which you never see on b10ls....
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 07, 2014, 09:29:34 PM
I agree a b6 in TMH livery would be nice, would hope a b10b may be preserved though with them in the training fleet and not being withdrawn, I guess they are not a priority. Merc's it will be nice to see the back of-they look awful. Saw 1630 earlier with rusted lower panels which you never see on b10ls....
I'm not 100% sure, but I was always under the impression (rightly or wrongly) that the Merc 0405N bodywork was mild steel & galvanized, hence why some Mercs are now rusting. Whereas most buses have aluminium bodywork.
Is anyone able to confirm?
1676 and 4003 due to leave WN Friday MS bound
1654 and 1675 WN to MS
1556, 1674 and 1694 in Miller St today. I thought I saw 1628 on the 289 today, but could have been mistaken as it was a good distance away.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 17, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
1556, 1674 and 1694 in Miller St today. I thought I saw 1628 on the 289 today, but could have been mistaken as it was a good distance away.
Eric,
Was it definitely 1674 that you saw? 1654, 1675 & 1676 have all recently been withdrawn & should have moved to Miller St.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 17, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
1556, 1674 and 1694 in Miller St today. I thought I saw 1628 on the 289 today, but could have been mistaken as it was a good distance away.
1638 perhaps? They are essentially identical from the outside
4312 YW-WN. May be out tommorow
Maybe Eric meant 1675 and 1674 was a typo error?
Thanks Matt, it could have been 1638. 1674 looked as though it had recently arrived at MS. It was parked outside the workshop.
With these recent withdrawals the fleet must be near the minimum required. As Tony has said that there is nothing on order at the moment they may have to put a few back in service, if the present spate of fires and rta's continues.
Quote from: Nathan on January 17, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
4312 YW-WN. May be out tommorow
Maybe Eric meant 1675 and 1674 was a typo error?
So possibly 7026 replaced 4312 at YW.
Quote from: filbus1 on January 18, 2014, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 17, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
4312 YW-WN. May be out tommorow
Maybe Eric meant 1675 and 1674 was a typo error?
So possibly 7026 replaced 4312 at YW.
Is 7026 still at Yardley Wood then?
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on January 18, 2014, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 17, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
4312 YW-WN. May be out tommorow
Maybe Eric meant 1675 and 1674 was a typo error?
So possibly 7026 replaced 4312 at YW.
Is 7026 still at Yardley Wood then?
Yes 7026 is still at YW was out on the 6 today James seen it this morning in Solihull :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 18, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on January 18, 2014, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 17, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
4312 YW-WN. May be out tommorow
Maybe Eric meant 1675 and 1674 was a typo error?
So possibly 7026 replaced 4312 at YW.
Is 7026 still at Yardley Wood then?
Yes 7026 is still at YW was out on the 6 today James seen it this morning in Solihull :)
Thanks Rob. It is more than likely a transfer then, will have to find it when I get chance
Are PB getting low of single decks for 66/66A 28
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 18, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Are PB getting low of single decks for 66/66A 28
There are now 25 OmniLinks left at Perry Barr. It must be getting close now - the amount of OmniLinks needed for the 28/66/66A must be close to the 25. It maybe why a few Solos have been on the 28 in the past week. But if needs be, OmniLinks could be taken off the 952 for the 28/66/66A if a single decker is urgently needed
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 18, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Are PB getting low of single decks for 66/66A 28
There are now 25 OmniLinks left at Perry Barr. It must be getting close now - the amount of OmniLinks needed for the 28/66/66A must be close to the 25. It maybe why a few Solos have been on the 28 in the past week. But if needs be, OmniLinks could be taken off the 952 for the 28/66/66A if a single decker is urgently needed
John,
PB have 35 Omnilinks left if 7026 has transferred to YW, or 36 if it is only on loan.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2014, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 18, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Are PB getting low of single decks for 66/66A 28
There are now 25 OmniLinks left at Perry Barr. It must be getting close now - the amount of OmniLinks needed for the 28/66/66A must be close to the 25. It maybe why a few Solos have been on the 28 in the past week. But if needs be, OmniLinks could be taken off the 952 for the 28/66/66A if a single decker is urgently needed
John,
PB have 35 Omnilinks left if 7026 has transferred to YW, or 36 if it is only on loan.
Yes, of course. Its late and I'm tired! Sorry :-[
There should be more than enough. Out of interest, I will look in the garage on Monday and see how many 28 and 66 boards there are to try and see how many OmnLinks are actually needed
There are 2 needed for the 66A (I don't think any more are put on in peaks)
The 46 now seems to be decker operated
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2014, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 18, 2014, 10:25:54 PM
Are PB getting low of single decks for 66/66A 28
There are now 25 OmniLinks left at Perry Barr. It must be getting close now - the amount of OmniLinks needed for the 28/66/66A must be close to the 25. It maybe why a few Solos have been on the 28 in the past week. But if needs be, OmniLinks could be taken off the 952 for the 28/66/66A if a single decker is urgently needed
John,
PB have 35 Omnilinks left if 7026 has transferred to YW, or 36 if it is only on loan.
Yes, of course. Its late and I'm tired! Sorry :-[
There should be more than enough. Out of interest, I will look in the garage on Monday and see how many 28 and 66 boards there are to try and see how many OmnLinks are actually needed
I would think that if 7026 has indeed transferred to YW, it may give us a hint of future cascades. But I doubt PB could loose many/any more without something to replace them
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 17, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
1556, 1674 and 1694 in Miller St today. I thought I saw 1628 on the 289 today, but could have been mistaken as it was a good distance away.
I've just checked an 1674 is still in service at Park Lane Eric :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2014, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 17, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
1556, 1674 and 1694 in Miller St today. I thought I saw 1628 on the 289 today, but could have been mistaken as it was a good distance away.
I've just checked an 1674 is still in service at Park Lane Eric :)
I must have been 1654 that Eric saw, that was a recent arrival at MS as well
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 19, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
It must have been or sent in error? as you sound confident it was 1674 that you saw
Quote from: Winston on January 19, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 19, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
It must have been or sent in error? as you sound confident it was 1674 that you saw
Take it 1674 has been seen in Wolverhampton since.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2014, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 19, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 19, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
It must have been or sent in error? as you sound confident it was 1674 that you saw
Take it 1674 has been seen in Wolverhampton since.
It has been confirmed to me by someone at Park Lane that it is still there. Mercs don't come out on Sundays so I haven't seen it in service today
Has 7026 transferred to YW or on loan?
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:42:17 PM
There should be more than enough. Out of interest, I will look in the garage on Monday and see how many 28 and 66 boards there are to try and see how many OmnLinks are actually needed
There are
- 17 28 boards
- 6 66 boards
- 2 66A boards (as we already know)
So 25 OmniLinks at the least are needed
With the 952 as well, (according to my rubbish maths!) that will be a minimum of 28 OmniLinks needed on a weekday, so if 7026 is a transfer, there will be 35 OmniLinks left (36 if not). I don't think Perry Barr would be able to lose any more, as they will need spares, and if a couple are been worked on/VOR'ed, then it doesn't leave many spare
Quote from: John on January 20, 2014, 04:06:50 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:42:17 PM
There should be more than enough. Out of interest, I will look in the garage on Monday and see how many 28 and 66 boards there are to try and see how many OmnLinks are actually needed
There are
- 17 28 boards
- 6 66 boards
- 2 66A boards (as we already know)
So 25 OmniLinks at the least are needed
With the 952 as well, (according to my rubbish maths!) that will be a minimum of 28 OmniLinks needed on a weekday, so if 7026 is a transfer, there will be 35 OmniLinks left (36 if not). I don't think Perry Barr would be able to lose any more, as they will need spares, and if a couple are been worked on/VOR'ed, then it doesn't leave many spare
4 46 boards too :)
2 on sunday
and a 46s/46a schools monday - friday
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2014, 06:53:41 PM
But isn't the 46 mainly did operated nowadays?
It does seem that way now, yes. You may still get a couple on the 46, but it does seem that it is mostly decker operated
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 19, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
I've been told 1674 IS at Miller St so most likely withdrawn
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 05:16:03 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 19, 2014, 08:25:04 PM
Thanks Winston. Could 1674 have been at MS to take back a driver who had brought over on eof the other Merc's?
I've been told 1674 IS at Miller St so most likely withdrawn
After this discussion I walked all around Miller Street today (I am currently working in the office at Miller Street hence why so few new photos on the main site at the moment)
277; 292
517; 530; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650
693
1435; 1448
1540; 1541; 1556; 1578; 1581; 1592; 1597; 1601;. 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1654; 1675; 1676; 1690; 1694
4003; 4007; 4075
7086
7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9697
9955
Shall I clear this one up?
1674 is having an engine fitted and Miller street had labour to do it.
Has 4575 moved back to Wolverhampton
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Has 4575 moved back to Wolverhampton
4575 has never left Wolverhampton ;) Its currently under Refurb :)
Matt said there was an identical trident on bc 9
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:36:09 PM
Matt said there was an identical trident on bc 9
Pe borrowed 4587 whilst 4193 was away being repaired.
Oh I forgot sorry my appoliges stu I did it relise
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:36:09 PM
Matt said there was an identical trident on bc 9
Matt as in me? Am I missing something?
Is there more than One matt on here ?
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:48:27 PM
Is there more than One matt on here ?
There are at least three active members with Matt in their username
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:36:09 PM
Matt said there was an identical trident on bc 9
2 BC tridents are on the 9 every Mon-Fri Morning. It works a 9 journey from Halesowen to Birmingham then goes onto the 829 school route
WN recently loaned Trident 4587 to PE which was used on the 9 (Did you mean this one?)
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Has 4575 moved back to Wolverhampton
4575 never moved at all! It is currently being Repainted/Returned at WA garage alongside 4312 and 4579
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:36:09 PM
Matt said there was an identical trident on bc 9
2 BC tridents are on the 9 every Mon-Fri Morning. It works a 9 journey from Halesowen to Birmingham then goes onto the 829 school route
Then run dead St Pauls to Quinton and work a 9 Quinton to city
Do you mean colmore row or brim city centere
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 10:16:17 PM
Do you mean colmore row or brim city centere
Yes Colmore Row, it is in the middle of "Brim" City Centre.
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Has 4575 moved back to Wolverhampton
Christopher, welcome to the forum, its good to have new members join us, however please spend a little time exploring the boards and reading some of the more recent topics through as you will find the majority of your questions have already been answered in a lot of detail rather than posting every single question you can think of, I do hope you won't feel I'm speaking out of turn, just you will find your answers much quicker that way
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on January 29, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Has 4575 moved back to Wolverhampton
Christopher, welcome to the forum, its good to have new members join us, however please spend a little time exploring the boards and reading some of the more recent topics through as you will find the majority of your questions have already been answered in a lot of detail rather than posting every single question you can think of, I do hope you won't feel I'm speaking out of turn, just you will find your answers much quicker that way
And to add, read the rules - a few you've already broke but I'll let you off.
Sorry ls do you want me to read the forum rules again each day to remind me
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
Sorry ls do you want me to read the forum rules again each day to remind me
Well it seems you don't understand the rules and I'm not being funny but a lot of your posts are in the wrong place or are pointless
According to WM Bus Yahoo group President 4105 has now moved from YW to AG, I assume released by 4698
Quote from: Winston on March 19, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
According to WM Bus Yahoo group President 4105 has now moved from YW to AG, I assume released by 4698
I'll keep an eye out on the 73 just in case 4105 shows up on there. :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 19, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 19, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
According to WM Bus Yahoo group President 4105 has now moved from YW to AG, I assume released by 4698
I'll keep an eye out on the 73 just in case 4105 shows up on there. :)
Heard a driver saying that AG were short on buses. Dont know how accurate that is.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 19, 2014, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 19, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 19, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
According to WM Bus Yahoo group President 4105 has now moved from YW to AG, I assume released by 4698
I'll keep an eye out on the 73 just in case 4105 shows up on there. :)
Heard a driver saying that AG were short on buses. Dont know how accurate that is.
I should imagine AG will be due for some new stuff with the amount of Presidents they now have. Does anyone know AGs age profile?
Quote from: filbus1 on March 20, 2014, 07:31:16 AM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 19, 2014, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 19, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 19, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
According to WM Bus Yahoo group President 4105 has now moved from YW to AG, I assume released by 4698
I'll keep an eye out on the 73 just in case 4105 shows up on there. :)
Heard a driver saying that AG were short on buses. Dont know how accurate that is.
I should imagine AG will be due for some new stuff with the amount of Presidents they now have. Does anyone know AGs age profile?
4105 has transferred to AG, it is on the 11A today
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Whaaaaat?!
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Whaaaaat?!
It might not have been YW bound, it isn't the most direct route to take but I have seen buses going that way before that were going to YW. It was always one of my favourites when we had it before so I'd be chuffed if it's coming home! :P
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Whaaaaat?!
It might not have been YW bound, it isn't the most direct route to take but I have seen buses going that way before that were going to YW. It was always one of my favourites when we had it before so I'd be chuffed if it's coming home! :P
Nooo! 1419 is my favourite as well! Hope 1419 comes back to Walsall! If it stays in Yardley Wood, I won't be happy! :(
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Whaaaaat?!
It might not have been YW bound, it isn't the most direct route to take but I have seen buses going that way before that were going to YW. It was always one of my favourites when we had it before so I'd be chuffed if it's coming home! :P
Nooo! 1419 is my favourite as well! Hope 1419 comes back to Walsall! If it stays in Yardley Wood, I won't be happy! :(
The wheel rims looked like they'd been freshly repainted so could just be that it was off the road for maintenance and they needed a run-around bus, you never know ;)
I'll keep my eyes peeled on the 27s.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 20, 2014, 05:21:27 PM
Saw 1419 being driven NIS down Alcester Road south, my first guess is that it is YW bound as a replacement for 1408.
Whaaaaat?!
It might not have been YW bound, it isn't the most direct route to take but I have seen buses going that way before that were going to YW. It was always one of my favourites when we had it before so I'd be chuffed if it's coming home! :P
Nooo! 1419 is my favourite as well! Hope 1419 comes back to Walsall! If it stays in Yardley Wood, I won't be happy! :(
The wheel rims looked like they'd been freshly repainted so could just be that it was off the road for maintenance and they needed a run-around bus, you never know ;)
I'll keep my eyes peeled on the 27s.
Well... <sigh> If 1419 stays in Yardley Wood then I'm glad I had the last ride on 1419 serving on 69 on Monday...
It still had 39 on the back blinds, presumably its last route :P It Might not be a transfer yet, may have just been a fluke sighting :)
I will wait and see what happens. Jumping into conclusions is bad. ;)
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 20, 2014, 05:46:50 PM
I will wait and see what happens. Jumping into conclusions is bad. ;)
Maybe Tony will look on his super computer and tell us where 1419 is?
1652 from WN withdrawn to Miller Street
March fleet changes for NX, Rotala & Stagecoach Oxford now on front page, Stagecoach Midlands & Arriva hopefully coming soon. Ther should be a few First this month as well, but dates I get them can be a bit random
<sniffsniff> <wipes off a tear>
Quote1419 Walsall - Yardley Wood.
So long, 1419. Enjoy your time at Yardley Wood. Thanks for the fun journeys on WA39 and WA69, also making it fun for me trying to find you in Walsall! See you soon on YW27.
Quote from: Tony on April 01, 2014, 07:59:47 PM
March fleet changes for NX, Rotala & Stagecoach Oxford now on front page, Stagecoach Midlands & Arriva hopefully coming soon. Ther should be a few First this month as well, but dates I get them can be a bit random
April .... Boss😉
The irony, 1457 my current favourite, replaced with 1419 my former favourite...
Quote from: Nathan on April 13, 2014, 08:23:17 AM
554 WN-Withdrawn
4314 YW-WN
As per the Wolverhampton thread.
Both vehicles already posted in WN garage thread
12/04/14
B10M 9023 to miller street think it came from WA
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 13, 2014, 04:54:11 PM
12/04/14
B10M 9023 to miller street think it came from WA
The training buses are regularly parked in Miller Street.
7027 running from AG today on the 72, it's probably been posted elsewhere and I've missed it so sorry if it has but I've not been online much recently and I can't see any mention in this topic.
Quote from: trident4370 on April 22, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
7027 running from AG today on the 72, it's probably been posted elsewhere and I've missed it so sorry if it has but I've not been online much recently and I can't see any mention in this topic.
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:32:46 PM
1802 now back at Bordesley on the 8c, but 7027 is on the 37 today also (loan or transfer to Acocks Green from Perry Barr)
Oh well no harm done.
Don't know if this is in the correct area of the forum (I'm a newbie) but does anyone know when the remaining of the batch of Presidents are coming to Dundee (4111/2/3/4/5) ?
TIA
Personally I would be very surprised if 4114 left anytime soon given it's branding, as for the others well our new bus deliveries are supposed to start in June so I would imagine June at the earliest but it depends on what displaces what once they arrive. It could well be the case that none of them make it to Dundee yet.
Quote from: ross4122 on April 22, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Don't know if this is in the correct area of the forum (I'm a newbie) but does anyone know when the remaining of the batch of Presidents are coming to Dundee (4111/2/3/4/5) ?
TIA
No! Not 4114, dubbed
my machine by pals. When she was at Perry Barr it was routinely the first bus I saw, practically every day, for two years.
I can't understand favourite buses in the current climate of plastic, but if I did, 4114 would be the one!
Quote from: trident4370 on April 22, 2014, 05:29:05 PM
Personally I would be very surprised if 4114 left anytime soon given it's branding, as for the others well our new bus deliveries are supposed to start in June so I would imagine June at the earliest but it depends on what displaces what once they arrive. It could well be the case that none of them make it to Dundee yet.
Our friends in Dundee should find a few new arrivals in the garage this morning
733, 4111 and 4112 at least are in Dundee depot, the other pair weren't noted.
Must admit I'm sad to see 4111 go. Does this mean new buses are arriving now or is it simply a shuffle around of the existing fleet. Sorry if Ive missed a post elsewhere on here.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 02, 2014, 12:19:44 PM
Must admit I'm sad to see 4111 go. Does this mean new buses are arriving now or is it simply a shuffle around of the existing fleet. Sorry if Ive missed a post elsewhere on here.
I assume some of the summer reduced Pvr requirements from 20th July / paint spares etc are allowing buses to move prior to the new arrivals
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
@Kiewii Do you know if 4114 still has its 5 branding or has it been removed before leaving West Brom
Quote from: John on July 02, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
@Kiewii Do you know if 4114 still has its 5 branding or has it been removed before leaving West Brom
I don't know, I'm afraid
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: John on July 02, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
@Kiewii Do you know if 4114 still has its 5 branding or has it been removed before leaving West Brom
I don't know, I'm afraid
No worries, thanks anyway. Just wondered :D
Quote from: John on July 02, 2014, 03:45:28 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:44:02 PM
Quote from: John on July 02, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
@Kiewii Do you know if 4114 still has its 5 branding or has it been removed before leaving West Brom
I don't know, I'm afraid
No worries, thanks anyway. Just wondered :D
Though I notice 4115 still has the 'unlimited travel to school or college' advert above the doors
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
That is a bit wierd as only 733, 4103. 4111, 4112 & 4115 left the West Midlands.
Not sure which bus is in Perth, but it certainly isn't 4114 which is where it should be, going back & forth between Sutton Coldfield & West Bromwich
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
That is a bit wierd as only 733, 4103. 4111, 4112 & 4115 left the West Midlands.
Not sure which bus is in Perth, but it certainly isn't 4114 which is where it should be, going back & forth between Sutton Coldfield & West Bromwich
4112 was reported as being at Volvo, Perth at 10.52am then sighted in Dundee depot at 12.50pm. It's possible it could have been seen at both locations
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
Not sure which bus is in Perth, but it certainly isn't 4114 which is where it should be, going back & forth between Sutton Coldfield & West Bromwich
Excellent. At least that's clear!
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on July 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
733, 4103, 4111, 4112 and 4115 all now at Dundee. 4114 must have broke down en route as it is at Volvo in Perth.
That is a bit wierd as only 733, 4103. 4111, 4112 & 4115 left the West Midlands.
Not sure which bus is in Perth, but it certainly isn't 4114 which is where it should be, going back & forth between Sutton Coldfield & West Bromwich
Photos from Kiewii of Dundee's new arrivals if anyone is interested:
733 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14371589440/
4103 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14371586960/
4111 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14535184596/
4112 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14557417662/
Plus a rather busted 7154:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14578360943/
Cheers for the photos which are all rateable.
4112 was particularly elusive this year and went away from AG for engine repairs a few months back.
I will be going up there soon and hopefully get some pictures of these in service
Thank you crepello.
4112 is the first to enter service in Dundee. https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/14426480428/in/
It has been suggested that the 4 Presidents have been transferred to Dundee for school services, but Scottish schools have already finished for the Summer holidays. Could they be to replace the last 4 B10L's there?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 09, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
It has been suggested that the 4 Presidents have been transferred to Dundee for school services, but Scottish schools have already finished for the Summer holidays. Could they be to replace the last 4 B10L's there?
There are 6 B10Ls left at Dundee.
I would suggest that the additional Presidents would be to free up Geminis for the Commonwealth Games Barry contract and then once the school routes start, they would go on them.
i thought i read on here somewhere, some tridents were heading north for these schools?
Quote from: mranon on July 09, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
i thought i read on here somewhere, some tridents were heading north for these schools?
Yes that was the original plan, but it has since changed to Presidents. I guess it makes sense as we already operate them up here
Quote from: Kiewii on July 09, 2014, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: mranon on July 09, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
i thought i read on here somewhere, some tridents were heading north for these schools?
Yes that was the original plan, but it has since changed to Presidents. I guess it makes sense as we already operate them up here
shows how good the Presidents are, considering their age and they can make it from the West Midlands to Dundee.
IMO volvo do make decent engines. I read on a london forum that there tridents are taken to vehicle refurbishers on suspended tow because the cummins engine not suited to motorway conditions , many have expired before hand . One chap did say cummins engine more suited to stop start operation rather than continuous rpm on the motorway cause these engines were not designed for that purpose. In his words cummins engines used in tridents not heavy duty enough. I can't comment on these engines never had any experience with a cummins. Would like to hear from some one who knows if this is the case.
Quote from: 2900 on July 10, 2014, 10:44:52 AM
IMO volvo do make decent engines. I read on a london forum that there tridents are taken to vehicle refurbishers on suspended tow because the cummins engine not suited to motorway conditions , many have expired before hand . One chap did say cummins engine more suited to stop start operation rather than continuous rpm on the motorway cause these engines were not designed for that purpose. In his words cummins engines used in tridents not heavy duty enough. I can't comment on these engines never had any experience with a cummins. Would like to hear from some one who knows if this is the case.
Certainly Cummins' plant at Wellingborough is contracted to perform overhauls on certain operators' powerpacks as part of their scheduled maintenance. I spent a few weeks based there in 2012 and a variety of vehicles passed through the facility during that time. Some arrived on suspended tow, others under their own power. Perhaps the latter were from more local fleets.
The 8.3 litre Cummins C series in the Trident and early E400s didn't have a particularly good reputation amongst fleet engineers. The 6.7 litre B series in most E400s appears to be much better - I seem to remember Stagecoach replaced the engine in a B7TL with a Cummins B series - the 7.3 litre in the B7TL isn't very good on fuel consumption. Then there was the aptly-named Dart buses of Glasgow that used Darts on the M77 and found they weren't suited - these had the earlier B series, as in the Excel, and that wasn't a ball of fire either.
volvo had the bus/coach licked with the thd 9.6 litre lump. what the hell they did with the b6 god only knows!!!!! as for cummins, never been a fan. when i came onto service, i couldnt get over seeing engines replaced at the rate they are. all this emissions rubbish cant help, but in my opinion, small high revving engines pushed to the limit doesnt seem right. take a decker, trident has this c series revving away but older metros/olympians had larger engines but didnt have to rev their nuts off to move. same as darts/excels they have to work too hard getting hot very quickly
Thanks to every one for there response cheers. Yeah I forgot about the b6le 99% are crap I hear from others only driven a handfull over the years , 666 wasn't half bad there were a couple of others I forget which were ok. I would have loved to have seen a merc 0405n with body work from wrightbus probably would have been the ultimate single decker. Wrightbus liberator , crusader ,bodywork and interiors seemed to have lasted well .
The remaining B5's at WN (5511/12/15/16) will transfer over to BC today
And the remaining E400H's at BC will transfer to WN
July fleet changes now on the main site front page
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
Do we know what will these be replacing at Walsall?
Quote from: John on August 07, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
Do we know what will these be replacing at Walsall?
547; 1474 & whichever the other B10L was that got withdrawn after being bent
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Does this mean BC now have some of their new E400s?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 07, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Does this mean BC now have some of their new E400s?
yes 4940-4949
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 07, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Does this mean BC now have some of their new E400s?
Noted 4942 being delivered to BC this afternoon so atleast one is at BC and i presume there are some more already delivered from WA.
Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2014, 05:23:40 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 07, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Does this mean BC now have some of their new E400s?
Noted 4942 being delivered to BC this afternoon.
Please Nathan, stop posting the same thing in several threads.
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2014, 05:23:40 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 07, 2014, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
Does this mean BC now have some of their new E400s?
Noted 4942 being delivered to BC this afternoon.
Please Nathan, stop posting the same thing in several threads.
I was trying to answer the question. Somebody asked if BC have their E400's yet so i answered as nobody else had.
I posted it in the other thread as a general observation, B'ham Central Driver may not have seen my post in other thread.
Apologies anyway :)
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
If 4327 and 4328 were really returning home they'd be at park lane but will be good to have them back in wn as such, hopefully they'll be spotless again when hitting the road.
I'm guessing pe may get a share of these bc tridents , well maybe but we'll see
Quote from: Ashley on August 07, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
If 4327 and 4328 were really returning home they'd be at park lane but will be good to have them back in wn as such, hopefully they'll be spotless again when hitting the road.
I'm guessing pe may get a share of these bc tridents , well maybe but we'll see
4323; 4324 have returned home, both have transferred BC-WN today
Are these to replace Mercs Tony? Cheers for posting :)
Please Nathan, stop posting the same thing in several threads.
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I was trying to answer the question. Somebody asked if BC have their E400's yet so i answered as nobody else had.
I posted it in the other thread as a general observation, B'ham Central Driver may not have seen my post in other thread.
Apologies anyway :)
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Thanks Nathan. I didnt see your other thread by the way.
Quote from: Nathan on August 08, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
Are these to replace Mercs Tony? Cheers for posting :)
Replacements for 1650/60
Quote from: Ashley on August 07, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
If 4327 and 4328 were really returning home they'd be at park lane but will be good to have them back in wn as such, hopefully they'll be spotless again when hitting the road.
I'm guessing pe may get a share of these bc tridents , well maybe but we'll see
Is it possible the transfers of 4327 and 4328 to Walsall are temporary pending the arrival of something new, after which they transfer to PL? Double deckers seem strange replacements for buses used on single decker only routes!
7021 on the 6 today.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 09, 2014, 01:44:04 PM
7021 on the 6 today.
Could that potentially be a loan rather than a transfer?
That was my first thought but I remembered I saw 7023 on there yesterday too, and with 1411 and 1413 going it seems likely they're replacements. Could still be a loan though you may be right.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 09, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
That was my first thought but I remembered I saw 7023 on there yesterday too, and with 1411 and 1413 going it seems likely they're replacements.
They could well be replacements for B10L's 1411 & 1413, with more to follow to see off the last 7 x B10L @ YW
Just caught 7023 on the 6 today
Quote from: JIM H on August 09, 2014, 03:46:05 PM
Just caught 7023 on the 6 today
What did your ticket say? AG or YW?
Regret to say i'm to old to buy a ticket.
Quote from: JIM H on August 09, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
Regret to say i'm to old to buy a ticket.
In certain parts of the West Midlands that could mean you are any age from 16 upwards.
That's 7 buses we're owed at AG - 5 B7TLs and 2 Omnilinks gone. We'll have new-style E400s please.
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 07, 2014, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on August 07, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
4139; 4327; 4328 appear to have transferrred BC to WA today
All previous Walsall vechiles returning home.
4139 being original WA from new
If 4327 and 4328 were really returning home they'd be at park lane but will be good to have them back in wn as such, hopefully they'll be spotless again when hitting the road.
I'm guessing pe may get a share of these bc tridents , well maybe but we'll see
4323; 4324 have returned home, both have transferred BC-WN today
4323 is now in service at WN. Working the 529's today
4324 is on the 126 this afternoon. Parked up at W'ton Bus Station at 16:00
Is everyone in bed today?
Not often vehicles get transferred, put in service at the new garage and not noticed on the first day!
Five vehicles transferred overnight, four are in service at their new garage (4192 is the exception) and only 4191 has been noticed so far?
Is nobody out on AG & PB routes today?
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
Is everyone in bed today?
Not often vehicles get transferred, put in service at the new garage and not noticed on the first day!
Five vehicles transferred overnight, four are in service at their new garage (4192 is the exception) and only 4191 has been noticed so far?
Is nobody out on AG & PB routes today?
I will be thursday and Friday, what has gone where?
I take it PB has received some more 42XX.
4290 out on the 7
4638; 4639 both on the 31 are today's other transfers
Would it be a plausable suggestion that deckers are returning to garages such as ag, pb, yw so these can replace the omnistinks which would then replace b10's at yw and wa
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
4290 out on the 7
4638; 4639 both on the 31 are today's other transfers
2900 won't be happy, I think he quite liked 4638.
4191/2 are strange transfers out of bc to yw if the plan is to keep the batches in order
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
4290 out on the 7
4638; 4639 both on the 31 are today's other transfers
What?! I'm not happy either, the 46** are the best Geminis. I take it 4635-7, 4640-2 will be returning to AG. Saw 4640 out of service on Moor Street today
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 19, 2014, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 07:18:26 PM
4290 out on the 7
4638; 4639 both on the 31 are today's other transfers
What?! I'm not happy either, the 46** are the best Geminis. I take it 4635-7, 4640-2 will be returning to AG. Saw 4640 out of service on Moor Street today
Glad to see "justice" has been served and the nicked Geminis have returned!
Your rite Mike not happy 4638 has left its one very entertaining gemni to drive. Had a feeling the 4600 series would go back to there orignal home garage at some point upon announcement of the new ADL E40D,s . IMO the other 4600 series gemni,s that were here at west brom don't even come close to 4638 so won't miss those buses.
I'll assume the Geminis coming to AG are going to replace some of the Presidents. They wouldn't replace the Omnilinks considering the they are needed for the 37, 71 and 72 along with the Wright Eclipse Urbans.
4642 moved WB-AG overnight
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 20, 2014, 08:33:50 AM
I'll assume the Geminis coming to AG are going to replace some of the Presidents. They wouldn't replace the Omnilinks considering the they are needed for the 37, 71 and 72 along with the Wright Eclipse Urbans.
They are making the numbers back up for September after several vehicles left AG during the holidays
I'll assume the Geminis coming to AG are going to replace some of the Presidents. They wouldn't replace the Omnilinks considering the they are needed for the 37, 71 and 72 along with the Wright Eclipse Urbans. Also when did 4191 and 4192 move to YW as Wolves 256 is suggesting?
Wolves256 isn't suggesting they have moved, he is commenting on my post saying they have moved, which I put on after 4191 was seen on the 2 in the unusual workings thread
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 05:09:46 PM
Is everyone in bed today?
Not often vehicles get transferred, put in service at the new garage and not noticed on the first day!
Five vehicles transferred overnight, four are in service at their new garage (4192 is the exception) and only 4191 has been noticed so far?
Is nobody out on AG & PB routes today?
Quote from: Liberator9 link=topic=10.msg10movedmsg109949 date=1408520319
I'll assume the Geminis coming to AG are going to replace some of the Presidents. They wouldn't replace the Omnilinks considering the they are needed for the 37, 71 and 72 along with the Wright Eclipse Urbans. Also when did 4191 and 4192 move to YW as Wolves 256 is suggesting?
No need to assume, as Tony has already said, the Gemini's have moved to AG to make up the numbers I.e. to replace the Presidents that went to Dundee
Thanks for clearing that up - haven't really been paying attention to transfers over the last few weeks so didn't realise AG needed to make up the numbers for the lost Presidents.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 20, 2014, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks for clearing that up - haven't really been paying attention to transfers over the last few weeks so didn't realise AG needed to make up the numbers for the lost Presidents.
Dundee still need another 4 double deckers for the Fife School Contracts before September, they should more than likely be further Presidents from either AG or WB?
oooops
Original list I posted last night should have said 4639/40 (4642 has gone today)
4638 currently on the 80
4641 did the 140/241 running board
are still at WB
Quote from: Winston on August 20, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 20, 2014, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks for clearing that up - haven't really been paying attention to transfers over the last few weeks so didn't realise AG needed to make up the numbers for the lost Presidents.
Dundee still need another 4 double deckers for the Fife School Contracts before September, they should more than likely be further Presidents from either AG or WB?
If they have managed to run the school contracts for the past few days, then I doubt more buses will be needed?
Quote from: Kiewii on August 20, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 20, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 20, 2014, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks for clearing that up - haven't really been paying attention to transfers over the last few weeks so didn't realise AG needed to make up the numbers for the lost Presidents.
Dundee still need another 4 double deckers for the Fife School Contracts before September, they should more than likely be further Presidents from either AG or WB?
If they have managed to run the school contracts for the past few days, then I doubt more buses will be needed?
I take it they've already started then, schools start back early up there! Saying that do Dundee also operate reduced summer timetables with Pvr increasing back up from end of August?
Quote from: Winston on August 20, 2014, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on August 20, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 20, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 20, 2014, 09:08:15 AM
Thanks for clearing that up - haven't really been paying attention to transfers over the last few weeks so didn't realise AG needed to make up the numbers for the lost Presidents.
Dundee still need another 4 double deckers for the Fife School Contracts before September, they should more than likely be further Presidents from either AG or WB?
If they have managed to run the school contracts for the past few days, then I doubt more buses will be needed?
I take it they've already started then, schools start back early up there! Saying that do Dundee also operate reduced summer timetables with Pvr increasing back up from end of August?
No we do not
4638 has now transferred WB - AG
I would have thought some 42XX from WB or PB could transfer to AG to free up the large numbers at those garages.
After all the dashboard etc is more or less identical to the Presidents so AG drivers wouldnt need type training. Just a thought!
Whats going to replace the Mercs at pensnett, more tridents or maybe some gemini would be nice to see on pensnett route.
It would certainly be interesting to see the 42XXs at AG! I'd assume further Trident cascades will replace the Mercs at Pensett - if there are to be new Enviro 400s for the 900/957 and Walsall Services next year then Tridents would be freed up - these could then be used to replace any remaining mercs.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
It would certainly be interesting to see the 42XXs at AG! I'd assume further Trident cascades will replace the Mercs at Pensett - if there are to be new Enviro 400s for the 900/957 and Walsall Services next year then Tridents would be freed up - these could then be used to replace any remaining mercs.
There were suggestions that the 243/244 might receive new E200's at some point as well
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
It would certainly be interesting to see the 42XXs at AG! I'd assume further Trident cascades will replace the Mercs at Pensett - if there are to be new Enviro 400s for the 900/957 and Walsall Services next year then Tridents would be freed up - these could then be used to replace any remaining mercs.
There were suggestions that the 243/244 might receive new E200's at some point as well
Would prefer enviro 400s rather than tridents they nicer looking, though I think the 09 enviros need a repaint. The ones they haven't done. I hope Wolverhampton get the enviro 200 soon. Nice to have a modern fleet
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2014, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
It would certainly be interesting to see the 42XXs at AG! I'd assume further Trident cascades will replace the Mercs at Pensett - if there are to be new Enviro 400s for the 900/957 and Walsall Services next year then Tridents would be freed up - these could then be used to replace any remaining mercs.
There were suggestions that the 243/244 might receive new E200's at some point as well
Would prefer enviro 400s rather than tridents they nicer looking, though I think the 09 enviros need a repaint. The ones they haven't done. I hope Wolverhampton get the enviro 200 soon. Nice to have a modern fleet
They could do with a refurb as well, some of them anyway.
I think it'll be a while before the 09 Enviros get a refurb - although it would be good if the red could be repainted. There will still be a large number of the 2008/2009 and 2010 NX repaint Geminis and Tridents to refurbish. Some of the Tridents at YW which were just repainted in 2009 etc. are in a very tatty state now internally.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
I think it'll be a while before the 09 Enviros get a refurb - although it would be good if the red could be repainted. There will still be a large number of the 2008/2009 and 2010 NX repaint Geminis and Tridents to refurbish. Some of the Tridents at YW which were just repainted in 2009 etc. are in a very tatty state now internally.
11 x 09 plate E400's have already been refurb'd last year.
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
I think it'll be a while before the 09 Enviros get a refurb - although it would be good if the red could be repainted. There will still be a large number of the 2008/2009 and 2010 NX repaint Geminis and Tridents to refurbish. Some of the Tridents at YW which were just repainted in 2009 etc. are in a very tatty state now internally.
11 x 09 plate E400's have already been refurb'd last year.
Is this the 48** series? If so: 4801,4806,4808,4822,4826,4827,4807, 4805 what are the others?
4817 and 4799 are the others
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 21, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2014, 07:49:31 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 21, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
I think it'll be a while before the 09 Enviros get a refurb - although it would be good if the red could be repainted. There will still be a large number of the 2008/2009 and 2010 NX repaint Geminis and Tridents to refurbish. Some of the Tridents at YW which were just repainted in 2009 etc. are in a very tatty state now internally.
11 x 09 plate E400's have already been refurb'd last year.
Is this the 48** series? If so: 4801,4806,4808,4822,4826,4827,4807, 4805 what are the others?
Yes, they are they the only 09 plate E400's in the fleet.
Add 4799, 4800 & 4817
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Why did they change 4816 to 4799? And I think it did have an early repaint, looks as bad as others now though
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 21, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Why did they change 4816 to 4799? And I think it did have an early repaint, looks as bad as others now though
4816 was the bus involved in a very sad thing that happened on the Hagley Road, so was transferred to YW as 4799. We tend not to mention it on here!
Well that shows how much I know about the PE fleet and their refurbs! ::)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 21, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Why did they change 4816 to 4799? And I think it did have an early repaint, looks as bad as others now though
Sorry missed the second bit, think it was repainted to be shown off at some exhibition, doubt it was refurbed though. The PE Enviro 400s started to be repainted as they were going to be transferred to YW in exchange for some of the 47xx batch, but the plan was changed and the repaints stopped.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:17:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 21, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Why did they change 4816 to 4799? And I think it did have an early repaint, looks as bad as others now though
4816 was the bus involved in a very sad thing that happened on the Hagley Road, so was transferred to YW as 4799. We tend not to mention it on here!
Oh I know
4800 was repainted and refurbished for an exhibition bus, as the 09 Enviros were the newest Deckers NXWM had
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 21, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 21, 2014, 08:12:51 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
4817 and 4799 are the others
Was it just a repaint that 4800 got very early in its career to be displayed somewhere or am i imagining it?
Why did they change 4816 to 4799? And I think it did have an early repaint, looks as bad as others now though
Sorry missed the second bit, think it was repainted to be shown off at some exhibition, doubt it was refurbed though. The PE Enviro 400s started to be repainted as they were going to be transferred to YW in exchange for some of the 47xx batch, but the plan was changed and the repaints stopped.
I definitely have 4800 down as a refurb, I would have only have got that from something that Tony had posted i.e. it's seats were at Miller St etc
4800 was used for some launch and I'm pretty sure it was refurb'd to as new condition? There's easy way of telling which E400's have been refurb's internally unless you travel on them frequently
4800 is an anomaly compared to the other repaints because they finished it properly, as in they reapplied (or masked off) the black window surrounds, and the black below the rear downstairs window, i.e. as delivered condition. It's a shame they didn't pay the same attention to detail on other E400 repaints.
4807 is also one that was repainted/refurbed
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
4807 is also one that was repainted/refurbed
That one was mentioned a few posts above mate
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
4807 is also one that was repainted/refurbed
That one was mentioned a few posts above mate
4807 hasn't been mentioned above :)
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
4807 is also one that was repainted/refurbed
That one was mentioned a few posts above mate
4807 hasn't been mentioned above :)
Reply 1813 written by trident 4194
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 11:20:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 21, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
4807 is also one that was repainted/refurbed
That one was mentioned a few posts above mate
4807 hasn't been mentioned above :)
Reply 1813 written by trident 4194
Ah yes, i can see it now :) Cheers for pointing it out
4641 now back @ AG Seen it on the 73 by the Blues Ground while waiting for 4943 late this afternoon
2122 now back @ BC out on the 59 today alongside 2129 2135 & 2139.
4534 is now officially a Walsall bus and has been joined by 4533
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
4534 is now officially a Walsall bus and has been joined by 4533
Could Gemini's be being brought in to WA to allow the B10L's to retire through cascading?
How many Geminis are WA getting? I'm still hoping they'll take WB's bad ones, but I doubt it
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
How many Geminis are WA getting? I'm still hoping they'll take WB's bad ones, but I doubt it
I'd happily take any Gemini at Coventry!
Quote from: lauren1993 on September 09, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
How many Geminis are WA getting? I'm still hoping they'll take WB's bad ones, but I doubt it
I'd happily take any Gemini at Coventry!
Ahaha :P, ok then, I'll take your word for it ::)
Quote from: Winston on September 09, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
4534 is now officially a Walsall bus and has been joined by 4533
Could Gemini's be being brought in to WA to allow the B10L's to retire through cascading?
4532 also now at Walsall on the X51 this afternoon.
Quote from: notepanel on September 11, 2014, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 09, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
4534 is now officially a Walsall bus and has been joined by 4533
Could Gemini's be being brought in to WA to allow the B10L's to retire through cascading?
4532 also now at Walsall on the X51 this afternoon.
Scania 1898 to Yardley Wood
1899 now at YW on the 6 today (1800 back at Bordesley)
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
4636 on the 37 as well
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
4636 on the 37 as well
Do you know if 4637 has moved aswell Tony? :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
4636 on the 37 as well
Do you know if 4637 has moved aswell Tony? :)
Parked in West Bromwich garage today
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
4636 on the 37 as well
Do you know if 4637 has moved aswell Tony? :)
Parked in West Bromwich garage today
Thank You for the Info Tony :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 22, 2014, 01:30:17 PM
4635 now back @ AG out on the 11C today seen it at Yardley Swan around 09:15 with its LED Display not working so was on a 11C or 11E.
4636 on the 37 as well
Do you know if 4637 has moved aswell Tony? :)
Parked in West Bromwich garage today
Thank You for the Info Tony :)
4637 freshly transferred to AG out on the 5 today
Fleet changes October
Bit surprised to see 4191/4192 transferred to Pensnett from Yardley Wood
As I thought
1898,1899,1901 came to Yardley Wood to replace B10L not tridents
4529 & 4531 both been in service at Walsall today
1896; 1897 & 1900 all now at Yardley Wood
1897 currently on the 6
1419 now transferred back to Walsall (not out today)
1450 now at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2014, 01:20:48 PM
1896; 1897 & 1900 all now at Yardley Wood
1897 currently on the 6
1419 now transferred back to Walsall (not out today)
1450 now at Miller Street
Yaaay! ;D ;D ;D Look forward to see her on Walsall routes again soon!
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 22, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2014, 01:20:48 PM
1896; 1897 & 1900 all now at Yardley Wood
1897 currently on the 6
1419 now transferred back to Walsall (not out today)
1450 now at Miller Street
Yaaay! ;D ;D ;D Look forward to see her on Walsall routes again soon!
Would a week of it on the 69 every day be good enough for you? ;)
Quote from: Nathan on October 22, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
I wish that could happen but sadly there never seems to be any B10's on the 69 anymore. They seem to be confined to the Darlaston corridor
I must admit if travelling from Wolves to Walsall, the 39 is always my first choice purely for some B10L action!
Quote from: trident4370 on October 22, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 22, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2014, 01:20:48 PM
1896; 1897 & 1900 all now at Yardley Wood
1897 currently on the 6
1419 now transferred back to Walsall (not out today)
1450 now at Miller Street
Yaaay! ;D ;D ;D Look forward to see her on Walsall routes again soon!
Would a week of it on the 69 every day be good enough for you? ;)
Pfft, not one B10L has been on WA 69 for weeks since someone on here was complaining about them being on WA 69... Also I'm assuming someone has changed the allocation? Although, it would be great if B10Ls comes back on WA 69.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 22, 2014, 03:37:54 PM
I must admit if travelling from Wolves to Walsall, the 39 is always my first choice purely for some B10L action!
Same here, it's the only WA route that has a lot of B10Ls... ::)
Allocations at Walsall have changed following recent Scania departures and Gemini arrivals EG
69-4 B7RLE
10/A 3 B7RLE 5 Dennis Trident/Gemini
6-Trident/Gemini
7-Trident/Gemini
301-8 B7RLE
311/313 8 Scania
2 B7RLE
335/336 Enviro 200
70/70A Enviro 200
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
4519 has also transferred, but has been sent straight to Walsall paintshop, not sure if for patch up or full refurb.
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
Yes! ;D, I did think it was weird how AG had one dot matrix Gemini for a while. Hopefully they can sort out the cooling fan
4518 was on the 5 today (Birmingham-Solihull), back on the Stratford Road after two years away.
Haven't seen 4517 yet since it transferred, so its the first time I've seen a Gemini with a flip-dot display over this side of town for a while!
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
4519 has also transferred, but has been sent straight to Walsall paintshop, not sure if for patch up or full refurb.
4519 is having a full retrim & repaint before arriving at AG
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
4519 has also transferred, but has been sent straight to Walsall paintshop, not sure if for patch up or full refurb.
4519 is having a full retrim & repaint before arriving at AG
Is there any particular reason these Geminis are going back to AG, being 'non-standard' as it were, as they have flip-dot displays, while the rest of AG's fleet is all LED-display? Just curious.
They might yet have LEDs installed as 4493 has had done for all we know :P
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2014, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
4519 has also transferred, but has been sent straight to Walsall paintshop, not sure if for patch up or full refurb.
4519 is having a full retrim & repaint before arriving at AG
Is there any particular reason these Geminis are going back to AG, being 'non-standard' as it were, as they have flip-dot displays, while the rest of AG's fleet is all LED-display? Just curious.
I know it's been asked before but I don't think answered, what are these Geminis replacing at AG? The Dundee transfers were a couple of months back.
Quote from: don on October 30, 2014, 12:23:39 AM
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2014, 08:08:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2014, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2014, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: John on October 28, 2014, 07:09:03 PM
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but 4518 is on the Outer Circle today
4519 has also transferred, but has been sent straight to Walsall paintshop, not sure if for patch up or full refurb.
4519 is having a full retrim & repaint before arriving at AG
Is there any particular reason these Geminis are going back to AG, being 'non-standard' as it were, as they have flip-dot displays, while the rest of AG's fleet is all LED-display? Just curious.
I know it's been asked before but I don't think answered, what are these Geminis replacing at AG? The Dundee transfers were a couple of months back.
Probably the Presidents.
1447 now transferred to Walsall, currently out on the 39
Quote from: Tony on October 31, 2014, 12:02:11 PM
1447 now transferred to Walsall, currently out on the 39
Good to see another B10L hanging on.
Sad to see another B10L going away from YW.
0244 has gone to Wolverhampton on the 11 30.10.2014 fully fitted
With blinds.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/65532931@N05/15674219121/
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
0244 has gone to Wolverhampton on the 11 30.10.2014 fully fitted
With blinds.
Went with 677 a few days ago
4079 at AG has been taken out of service, currently at Miller Street
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
0244 has gone to Wolverhampton on the 11 30.10.2014 fully fitted
With blinds.
Already mentioned earlier on in the week. 677 is also here as previously mentioned in another thread.
244 worked a peak 54 trip on Wednesday so that was probably its first Tim in service
so that leaves 2 B6`s hanging on at Walsall
0582 0669
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
so that leaves 2 B6`s hanging on at Walsall
0582 0669
I have 582 at Wolverhampton, so just 669 left?
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 01, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
so that leaves 2 B6`s hanging on at Walsall
0582 0669
I have 582 at Wolverhampton, so just 669 left?
Yes Paul, I agree with that. 582 is a 'Strategic Reserve' so only 669 is allocated to WA now.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 01, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
so that leaves 2 B6`s hanging on at Walsall
0582 0669
I have 582 at Wolverhampton, so just 669 left?
As mentioned its in Strategic reserve although it appears to be sticking to WA routes. It spent a few days working WN routes before appearing back at WA a few days later on the 39.
582 is on the 70 today
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on November 01, 2014, 09:11:29 AM
0244 has gone to Wolverhampton on the 11 30.10.2014 fully fitted
With blinds.
Went with 677 a few days ago
4079 at AG has been taken out of service, currently at Miller Street
What happened to it?
1903 (on the 6)
1904 (on the 84)
are now both at Yardley Wood completing the transfer of 1896-1904
Quote from: Tony on October 31, 2014, 12:02:11 PM
1447 now transferred to Walsall, currently out on the 39
Saw 1447 on the day you posted before I left West Midlands. Felt weird to see it on WA 39. :P
Does anyone know of any imminment transfers to dundee ./according to a member of the dundee bus forum he said 03/54 and 56 reg buses were being sent up .
Quote from: JIM C on November 10, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Does anyone know of any imminment transfers to dundee ./according to a member of the dundee bus forum he said 03/54 and 56 reg buses were being sent up .
Yes saw that, I don't see how its possible until any more new buses arrive at least, that's assuming its correct
Quote from: JIM C on November 10, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Does anyone know of any imminment transfers to dundee ./according to a member of the dundee bus forum he said 03/54 and 56 reg buses were being sent up .
Well the only 56 plates in the fleet are the B7RLE's at WA and I can't see those transferring...
I guess it depends whether all withdrawals/transfers after entry into service of this year's orders has happened yet?
I guess it would make sense ultimately to try to see off all b10l/b10ble's there with Volvo/Wright buses as opposed to introducing ADL single decks.
At this rate soon we won't have any decent single deckers left in the WM!
And the WA B7RLEs are a bit non-standard, with the earlier Volvo engine.
It'll be surprising if Dundee don't receive any new vehicles. However, no doubt the school buses will be cascades.
I hope we don't lose the 56 reg Volvo B7RLEs - still excellent buses I find on my trips up to Walsall - I wouldn't see much point in just sending the whole fleet up to Dundee considering they are settled at WA and that it wouldn't be saving on costs as they are still in the wider NX fleet.
I'd rather just see the double deck fleet be replaced over the next few years - the single deck fleet will be relatively young and modern once the Mercs, Liberators and Crusaders have been withdrawn.
I just hope the Enviro 200MMCs are a good improvement upon the current design.
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 10, 2014, 08:13:31 PM
I hope we don't lose the 56 reg Volvo B7RLEs - still excellent buses I find on my trips up to Walsall - I wouldn't see much point in just sending the whole fleet up to Dundee considering they are settled at WA and that it wouldn't be saving on costs as they are still in the wider NX fleet.
I'd rather just see the double deck fleet be replaced over the next few years - the single deck fleet will be relatively young and modern once the Mercs, Liberators and Crusaders have been withdrawn.
I just hope the Enviro 200MMCs are a good improvement upon the current design.
I'd rather see the ALX400 never replaced until they become around 20 years old, they still have life in them.
What sense would there be in that? The ALXs in the large part are now 11-12 years old, some even older - NX will replace the Presidents first (after the Mercs/Libs/B6s) then move on to the Tridents, in the logical order. So there are likely to be ALXs going either next year or the year after - they'll be 13-15 years old. If NX work on that principle the 56 regs shouldn't go until 2018/2019. They are still good overall, but NX selling them at around 15 years old might still get a large majority sold in the second hand market, at a good price. There are still a numerous amount of step entrance deckers that will need to be withdrawn due to DDA regs.
4520 now at AG, on the 11C
would have thought the spectras would be first double decks to go. esp on the basis they are the eldest, and non standard
Forgot about the Spectras! Thanks for pointing that out. Always forget them :-\
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 11, 2014, 06:53:35 AM
What sense would there be in that? The ALXs in the large part are now 11-12 years old, some even older - NX will replace the Presidents first (after the Mercs/Libs/B6s) then move on to the Tridents, in the logical order. So there are likely to be ALXs going either next year or the year after - they'll be 13-15 years old. If NX work on that principle the 56 regs shouldn't go until 2018/2019. They are still good overall, but NX selling them at around 15 years old might still get a large majority sold in the second hand market, at a good price. There are still a numerous amount of step entrance deckers that will need to be withdrawn due to DDA regs.
I believe Dean Finch is aiming towards NX having an ultra modern bus fleet and bringing the groups average age down either further, as time goes on I expect more & more buses will be sold on for further service rather than scrapped, particularly as the Presidents & ALX400's will find buyers on the second-hand market much easier
1918 now at Acocks Green
1931 now at Yardley Wood
Quote from: Tony on December 29, 2014, 08:52:36 AM
1918 now at Acocks Green
1931 now at Yardley Wood
Glad they showed respect for the poor bloke who lost his life.
Quote from: filbus1 on December 29, 2014, 09:49:57 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 29, 2014, 08:52:36 AM
1918 now at Acocks Green
1931 now at Yardley Wood
Glad they showed respect for the poor bloke who lost his life.
Freshly painted 1918 on the 37 today no doubt standing out from the crowd with its shiny finish
Does anyone keep a record of the NX fleet changes, as I need Octobers again to update Flickr, and they have now gone from the main site homepage. Ta
6th November
National Express Fleet changes October 2014
244; 677 Walsall - Wolverhampton
519; 524; 568 West Bromwich - withdrawn
533 West Bromwich - Wolverhampton
673 Walsall - withdrawn
858; 859; 860 New to Walsall
1419; 1447 Yardley Wood - Walsall
1450 Yardley Wood - reserve
1477; 1479 Walsall - withdrawn
1550; 1566; 1569; 1608 Coventry - withdrawn
1662; 1672; 1673; 1681; 1685 Wolverhampton - withdrawn
1896; 1897; 1900; 1902 Walsall - Yardley Wood
4079 Acocks Green - reserve
4518; 4519 West Bromwich - Acocks Green
4527; 4528; 4529; 4530; 4531 West Bromwich - Walsall
4974 to 4982 inclusive new to West Bromwich
7154 Dundee - withdrawn
C142; C143; C170 Start Hill to Sipson Road
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 31, 2014, 05:14:52 PM
6th November
National Express Fleet changes October 2014
244; 677 Walsall - Wolverhampton
519; 524; 568 West Bromwich - withdrawn
533 West Bromwich - Wolverhampton
673 Walsall - withdrawn
858; 859; 860 New to Walsall
1419; 1447 Yardley Wood - Walsall
1450 Yardley Wood - reserve
1477; 1479 Walsall - withdrawn
1550; 1566; 1569; 1608 Coventry - withdrawn
1662; 1672; 1673; 1681; 1685 Wolverhampton - withdrawn
1896; 1897; 1900; 1902 Walsall - Yardley Wood
4079 Acocks Green - reserve
4518; 4519 West Bromwich - Acocks Green
4527; 4528; 4529; 4530; 4531 West Bromwich - Walsall
4974 to 4982 inclusive new to West Bromwich
7154 Dundee - withdrawn
C142; C143; C170 Start Hill to Sipson Road
Brilliant, thanks Tony ;)
Two more transfers have happened over the weekend
2119 AG-BC
4190 BC-PE
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Two more transfers have happened over the weekend
2119 AG-BC
4190 BC-PE
Another decent Y reg in the black country. Any chance on 4185 - 89 moving as well? Probably not but ah well
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Two more transfers have happened over the weekend
2119 AG-BC
4190 BC-PE
Another decent Y reg in the black country. Any chance on 4185 - 89 moving as well? Probably not but ah well
4187 is not decent hahaha
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Two more transfers have happened over the weekend
2119 AG-BC
4190 BC-PE
Can we assume 2120 AG-BC, 4189 BC-AG? Sorry, just reread that! ^^^^ don't know what I was thinking...
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Two more transfers have happened over the weekend
2119 AG-BC
4190 BC-PE
Is 4190 transferred to replace 4355 or is 4355 still on decision?
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Permanent or loan?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Permanent or loan?
If it was a loan I would have put it under vehicle loans!
you can now add to those the one I just mentioned under the Pensnett thread. I wasn't sure initially whether that was a loan or transfer, but is now fonfirmed as a transfer
823 WB-PE
Do you think 824 will be rebranded
Quote from: Tara4352 on January 12, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Do you think 824 will be rebranded
Why would you brand more buses than the PVR?
4829 PE - PB currently on the 101
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Permanent or loan?
If it was a loan I would have put it under vehicle loans!you can now add to those the one I just mentioned under the Pensnett thread. I wasn't sure initially whether that was a loan or transfer, but is now confirmed as a transfer
823 WB-PE
Just re-emphasising this as I don't need an almost identical question filling my my PM in-box (not from Sh4318 I might add!)!
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Permanent or loan?
If it was a loan I would have put it under vehicle loans!
you can now add to those the one I just mentioned under the Pensnett thread. I wasn't sure initially whether that was a loan or transfer, but is now fonfirmed as a transfer
823 WB-PE
I thought 4524 was on loan at WA from WB!
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2015, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 11:52:52 AM
4132 WN back to WA (currently on the 6)
4524 WA to PB (currently on the 65)
Permanent or loan?
no 4524, 4525 & 4526 were all transfers
If it was a loan I would have put it under vehicle loans!
you can now add to those the one I just mentioned under the Pensnett thread. I wasn't sure initially whether that was a loan or transfer, but is now fonfirmed as a transfer
823 WB-PE
I thought 4524 was on loan at WA from WB!
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
4829 PE - PB currently on the 101
I thought this one would have got more of a reaction.
With the transfers and loans to PB is it a definite sign they've just completely given up with the bendis?, shame about 4829, 823's hardly going to help PE's decker shortage
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2015, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
4829 PE - PB currently on the 101
I thought this one would have got more of a reaction.
It's probably getting discussed in one of the other million threads
Quote from: Michael on January 13, 2015, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2015, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
4829 PE - PB currently on the 101
I thought this one would have got more of a reaction.
It's probably getting discussed in one of the other million threads
Nothing surprises me at the moment, wouldn't be surprised to see 10 more Enviros transferred to PB when the new buses come on stream to totally eradicate the Bendi's. After all NE don't normally transfer single examples.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 13, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: Michael on January 13, 2015, 02:47:22 AM
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2015, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
4829 PE - PB currently on the 101
I thought this one would have got more of a reaction.
It's probably getting discussed in one of the other million threads
Nothing surprises me at the moment, wouldn't be surprised to see 10 more Enviros transferred to PB when the new buses come on stream to totally eradicate the Bendi's. After all NE don't normally transfer single examples.
Could be all of them.....
4828 transferred Pensnett to Perry Barr today
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
4828 transferred Pensnett to Perry Barr today
Are all of them going ?
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
4828 transferred Pensnett to Perry Barr today
Are all of them going ?
Not today!
In the near future though, I can see it happening nxwm don't usually just transfer 2 out of 28
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
That's what I think/hope!!
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
Quite possible, just find it odd they are transferring buses over to PB when they are not really any buses for PE until the new buses come on line. Surely this is going to start to leave PE short of buses!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
Quite possible, just find it odd they are transferring buses over to PB when they are not really any buses for PE until the new buses come on line. Surely this is going to start to leave PE short of buses!!
We've got the most reliable buses at pe, the Mercs lol
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
Quite possible, just find it odd they are transferring buses over to PB when they are not really any buses for PE until the new buses come on line. Surely this is going to start to leave PE short of buses!!
Two in (823 & 4190)
Two out (4828/9)
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
Quite possible, just find it odd they are transferring buses over to PB when they are not really any buses for PE until the new buses come on line. Surely this is going to start to leave PE short of buses!!
Two in (823 & 4190)
Two out (4828/9)
Ah right, thought 4190 was to replace 4355!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2015, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 08:34:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 18, 2015, 08:29:53 PM
Maybe Presidents really are transferring to PE?
Quite possible, just find it odd they are transferring buses over to PB when they are not really any buses for PE until the new buses come on line. Surely this is going to start to leave PE short of buses!!
Two in (823 & 4190)
Two out (4828/9)
Ah right, thought 4190 was to replace 4355!
PN may get be getting new mmc's to replace outgoing e400's on the 9 nx moving around spare vehicles before new arrive?
Perry Barr have borrowed off a different garage - YW seem a frequent source for a Scania or two to cover on some of the routes.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
They're not borrowed, PB is their new home.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Have to agree with you!!
As long as they don't transfer the Bendis to PE (unless they would like a space in the top yard)!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Have to agree with you!!
As long as they don't transfer the Bendis to PE (unless they would like a space in the top yard)!
11 Cv tridents to Pe, 11 Pe enviros to pb, pb bendis to cv?
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 19, 2015, 04:01:35 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Have to agree with you!!
As long as they don't transfer the Bendis to PE (unless they would like a space in the top yard)!
11 Cv tridents to Pe, 11 Pe enviros to pb, pb bendis to cv?
CV have no experience with Omnicity Artics, so what would be the point off transferring them?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 19, 2015, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 19, 2015, 04:01:35 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Have to agree with you!!
As long as they don't transfer the Bendis to PE (unless they would like a space in the top yard)!
11 Cv tridents to Pe, 11 Pe enviros to pb, pb bendis to cv?
CV have no experience with Omnicity Artics, so what would be the point off transferring them?
Whilst it's unlikely the Scanias will be transferred to Coventry, just because that garage hasn't used them before, doesn't mean they can't start using them. Otherwise that argument would be used every time and Acocks Green will never have any more new buses.
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2015, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 19, 2015, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 19, 2015, 04:01:35 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 18, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 18, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
Why don't Perry Barr borrow of a different garage? A e200 for an e400 is hardly a fair trade
Have to agree with you!!
As long as they don't transfer the Bendis to PE (unless they would like a space in the top yard)!
11 Cv tridents to Pe, 11 Pe enviros to pb, pb bendis to cv?
CV have no experience with Omnicity Artics, so what would be the point off transferring them?
Whilst it's unlikely the Scanias will be transferred to Coventry, just because that garage hasn't used them before, doesn't mean they can't start using them. Otherwise that argument would be used every time and Acocks Green will never have any more new buses.
I don't see why it is unlikely because no other garage will operate bendibuses.
And yes I hate it when people use that excuse, I mean if everyone was like that no garage would operate any buses!
Cv never had experience with b7rles but they still type trained and ordered them in...
Introducing new buses is an entirely different scenario to transferring a small ten year old fleet of relatively non-standard ones.
Unless Coventry garage has a magic wand or other secret ingredient that Perry Barr is lacking, I don't see the enthusiasm for reallocating one garage's demics to another just so they can struggle to get more than three out and in traffic at any one time.
Coventry took on the mercedes 0405GN bendys from Perry Barr when they hadn't operated any kind of articulated bus before any thing is possible. ImO the scania arctics will be phased out fuel compumstion must be horrendous on those, I hear the average bus does 6mpg if that's the case those scanias probably manage 2-3 mpg at best I would have thought.
I'm sure there won't be repeat of that mistake instead of taking the option of new buses.
First transfer of February - 4526 WA - PB out on the 65 today
Riding a 1964 Bournemouth Atlantean to the Stafford Model Railway exhibition last Saturday I overheard a conversation about the First Manchester OmniCity artics - unreliable, problems galore, thirsty, just like the PB ones.
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
First transfer of February - 4526 WA - PB out on the 65 today
Why are Gemini's transferring to PB?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 03, 2015, 05:03:41 PM
Why are Gemini's transferring to PB?
Because PB's short of buses?
Quote from: Stevo on February 03, 2015, 11:54:18 AM
Riding a 1964 Bournemouth Atlantean to the Stafford Model Railway exhibition last Saturday I overheard a conversation about the First Manchester OmniCity artics - unreliable, problems galore, thirsty, just like the PB ones.
Nottingham City Transport withdrew their Scania artics last year, so NXWM won't be the first.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 03, 2015, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 03, 2015, 05:03:41 PM
Why are Gemini's transferring to PB?
Because PB's short of buses?
I wonder if it's because of this?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/delays-across-the-west-midlands
QuoteWe have introduced extra buses on a number of routes already (65, 67, 115 and 914) to try and reduce the delays
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 03, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2015, 09:06:57 AM
First transfer of February - 4526 WA - PB out on the 65 today
I brought it out of garage this morning. Out all night too. I guess this is why 1407/8 are reinstated to Walsall, they replaced 4523/6
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
@Tony so that's why they didn't put new blinds in 1661. Makes sense really for only a couple of months!
Quote from: Rhys S on March 11, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
So PN are 2 down
No, they have just gained seven new buses!
Quote from: Kiewii on March 11, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 11, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
So PN are 2 down
No, they have just gained seven new buses!
@Tony so have plans changed about the number of standard Enviros going to PB then?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 11, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 11, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
So PN are 2 down
No, they have just gained seven new buses!
@Tony so have plans changed about the number of standard Enviros going to PB then?
No,
22 new E400MMC in PN, PB are due a total of 22 ex PN E400's, 4 have already moved to PB during Jan, leaving only 18 to follow & 4 other PN buses available to cascade or withdrawal
Quote from: Winston on March 11, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 11, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 11, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
So PN are 2 down
No, they have just gained seven new buses!
@Tony so have plans changed about the number of standard Enviros going to PB then?
No,
22 new E400MMC in PN, PB are due a total of 22 ex PN E400's, 4 have already moved to PB during Jan, leaving only 18 to follow & 4 other PN buses available to cascade or withdrawal
Thanks
@Winston, so with 1661 & 4310 gone and 4355 not replaced, that is another 1 bus left to go?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 11, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 11, 2015, 03:50:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 11, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:45:56 AM
First two transfers out of Pensnett with the new arrivals are
1661 to West Bromwich
4310 back to Wolverhampton
So PN are 2 down
No, they have just gained seven new buses!
@Tony so have plans changed about the number of standard Enviros going to PB then?
No,
22 new E400MMC in PN, PB are due a total of 22 ex PN E400's, 4 have already moved to PB during Jan, leaving only 18 to follow & 4 other PN buses available to cascade or withdrawal
Thanks @Winston, so with 1661 & 4310 gone and 4355 not replaced, that is another 1 bus left to go?
@Stuharris 6360 Not sure whether 4355 was/wasn't replaced
Quote from: Matt on March 11, 2015, 06:05:41 PM
There have been so many transfers in/out of PN in recent months, I have completely lost track of what has "replaced" what
Very true
@Matt. am fairly sure 4355 wasn't replaced, unless 1661 was it's replacement.
4310 back in service at WN on the 126 this afternoon.
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Oh ok cheers Winston. Send the Geminis to BC - I'd love to see some at my garage!
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Gemini's replace some of west bromwichs merc duties
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Is the Outer Circle still being worked by Presidents? If so then I would have thought that would be a good place for the WB Geminis to end up.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 14, 2015, 12:54:11 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Gemini's replace some of west bromwichs merc duties
Unlikey with the 06 plate Gemini, older deckers could see of the Mercs. I reckon the 06 plate Gemini may be heading for the Outer Circle to be branded alongside the 54 plate Gemini currently going through paint/ refurb. Failing that Dundee could also be a possibility. Either way I think WB will loose them.
Quote from: D10 on March 14, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Is the Outer Circle still being worked by Presidents? If so then I would have thought that would be a good place for the WB Geminis to end up.
They are but I think the WB Gemini's would be insufficient for the 11C/A.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 14, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: D10 on March 14, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Is the Outer Circle still being worked by Presidents? If so then I would have thought that would be a good place for the WB Geminis to end up.
They are but I think the WB Gemini's would be insufficient for the 11C/A.
18 from WB and possibly some PB ones? I wonder if that'd be enough.
I'm not sure on the numbers of Presidents at AG or the number of surplus vehicles PB will have with the E400s (need to update my fleet list!!) but I would have thought it'd be enough?
Quote from: Michael on March 15, 2015, 04:41:09 AM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 14, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: D10 on March 14, 2015, 01:06:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 14, 2015, 12:15:09 PM
Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Is the Outer Circle still being worked by Presidents? If so then I would have thought that would be a good place for the WB Geminis to end up.
They are but I think the WB Gemini's would be insufficient for the 11C/A.
18 from WB and possibly some PB ones? I wonder if that'd be enough.
I'm not sure on the numbers of Presidents at AG or the number of surplus vehicles PB will have with the E400s (need to update my fleet list!!) but I would have thought it'd be enough?
AG has 50 Presidents counting 4077 as withdrawn.
Wb could transfer 10 of the 06 reg Geminis to Coventry for the 10 route?
I don't think Nx will want to transfer and paint buses when there's other red and white garages to choose from
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
I don't think Nx will want to transfer and paint buses when there's other red and white garages to choose from
Some of them need repainting anyway as they have connection bars still, so they could use that opportunity to paint them blue instead without any unnecessary expenses surely?
Quote from: lauren1993 on March 15, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
I don't think Nx will want to transfer and paint buses when there's other red and white garages to choose from
Some of them need repainting anyway as they have connection bars still, so they could use that opportunity to paint them blue instead without any unnecessary expenses surely?
It doesn't really matter
Quote from: lauren1993 on March 15, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
I don't think Nx will want to transfer and paint buses when there's other red and white garages to choose from
Some of them need repainting anyway as they have connection bars still, so they could use that opportunity to paint them blue instead without any unnecessary expenses surely?
What are connection bars?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 15, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on March 15, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
I don't think Nx will want to transfer and paint buses when there's other red and white garages to choose from
Some of them need repainting anyway as they have connection bars still, so they could use that opportunity to paint them blue instead without any unnecessary expenses surely?
What are connection bars?
Your question was answered in the other thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3492.msg135345#msg135345
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Am I right in hearing that when YWs new buses arrive for the 50, 4738 - 62 will transfer to WB with some being branded for Dudley Rd routes?
If this is true I dont understand the logic in replacing 2006 buses from the Dudley Rd for 2007 buses instead.
Can anyone clarify?
Yes, that is correct. Partly I believe it may be due to insufficient numbers of 06 Plate Gemini to cover all the Dudley Rd boards, this move will rectify that. I suspect that the 06 plate Gemini may also be required elsewhere
Is the Outer Circle still being worked by Presidents? If so then I would have thought that would be a good place for the WB Geminis to end up.
They are but I think the WB Gemini's would be insufficient for the 11C/A.
18 from WB and possibly some PB ones? I wonder if that'd be enough.
I'm not sure on the numbers of Presidents at AG or the number of surplus vehicles PB will have with the E400s (need to update my fleet list!!) but I would have thought it'd be enough?
AG has 50 Presidents counting 4077 as withdrawn.
What about 4738 - 4762 YW - WB, 4291 4292 4300 - 4304 PB - WB, that replaces all WB Presidents and Mercs making WB fully SQBP compliant.
Because if you replace 25 Geminis with 25 Enviros, is there much point in WB keeping 7 Geminis. I know that would probably be an easier option to the above but where could you really move the 51 plate ALX's without having to throw in type training.
Might have my numbers wrong but its something I suppose
This makes for interesting reading from Facebook. Notice the surprise move
4310 leaving pensnett, haven't managed to go on it yet aswell
@Trident 4194 it's already gone!
I can see two Spectra are going. Can anyone read which two they are?
4001/22
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on March 15, 2015, 08:28:52 PM
I can see two Spectra are going. Can anyone read which two they are?
4001/2
4012 / 4022 actually
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 08:31:54 PM
4012 / 4022 actually
Ok Cheers. Couldn't see the numbers clearly upon first glance.
Quote from: Nathan on March 15, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 08:31:54 PM
4012 / 4022 actually
Ok Cheers. Couldn't see the numbers clearly upon first glance.
Well thinking about tony said 4012 and 4022 wouldnt be making another apperance so it makes sense mate
I Could barley see it
I don't know if I can't see but where is Yardley Wood on that sheet?
That sheet is dated mid February, so plans for transfers and deliveries to and from YW will no doubt be on later issue.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on March 15, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 15, 2015, 08:48:54 PM
I Could barley see it
Been on the beer @Rhys S? ;)
No too young :P
Could have. Shandy ;)
I just couldn't cus It was blurry
From what I can make out
508 and 638 could be first out of WN as they're up FO MOT in just over a week
4523 will replace 4077 at AG, looks like 4523
1568 1610 1634 1635 and one of 1678 or another I couldn't read will be replaced at Cov by the E200's
4300 - 4304 five of the B7's listed ad transferring to Walsall
Should that document have got on to Facebook even if extremely pixelated
I have removed the link from John's post because it is not a good idea for employees to post links to documents marked private and confidential on the internet, as I am sure the original poster will find out
Alexander B7TLs at WA - have they had this type before?
No, apart from a few on loan over v festival a few years ago. I seem to remember one on the 529?
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:09:24 PM
Alexander B7TLs at WA - have they had this type before?
Technically once on loan. 4288 was on the 529 but they have never had them as a permanent allocation.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4288.html
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:09:24 PM
Alexander B7TLs at WA - have they had this type before?
Alexander ALX400 bodies and Volvo B7TL chassis, but not as part of the same vehicle!! Presumably they're well acquainted with the Volvo chassis, and the bodies (though slightly different) on Tridents.
I'm curious about 1787 going to Dundee - presumably the first of a batch. My guess is that West Bromwich may lose some B7TLs (when the YW E400s are moved) to WA to facilitate reallocation of Tridents to WN to replace Spectras or more B7RLEs to Dundee..........or will the B7RLEs happen when the Platinum buses arrive?
FWIW the information given in the Facebook post is very interesting - however I can't believe the overall revelations are deeply commercial sensitive, and barring B7/ALX400s to Walsall have largely been predicted on this forum before.
The Wolverhampton entries looked like 4001/4002 withdrawn and 4012/4022 to xxxxx fleet (couldn't read the word).
While there's different views on whether it's commercially sensitive just out of shot in the top left corner are the words'strictly confidential' which is why it's not a good idea for employees to post it
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
While there's different views on whether it's commercially sensitive just out of shot in the top left corner are the words'strictly confidential' which is why it's not a good idea for employees to post it
Yes, definitely.
4258 now at Walsall out this morning on the X51
Will keep eyes open. Hopefully they venture onto the streetly's soon ;)
The big difference with the ALX B7TLs is the Voith gearbox, of course.
4259 now at Walsall and out on the 6
as reported elsewhere
4140 now at Wolverhampton
(Which will confuse some, as it wasn't on the list on facebook! That list was not the most up to date one done)
Quote from: Matt on March 18, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
4259 now at Walsall and out on the 6
as reported elsewhere
4140 now at Wolverhampton
(Which will confuse some, as it wasn't on the list on facebook! That list was not the most up to date one done)
That list also did not include 4803/05 in the Enviros moving PN-PB in March
Interesting that they are not moving the buses in one big block (except for 4817 of course). Lately NE don't seem to like having odd buses dotted around. Maybe its an indication that the rest of the 09 Enviros are not going to last to much longer at PE either?
Quote from: Matt on March 18, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
4259 now at Walsall and out on the 6
as reported elsewhere
4140 now at Wolverhampton
(Which will confuse some, as it wasn't on the list on facebook! That list was not the most up to date one done)
That list also did not include 4803/05 in the Enviros moving PN-PB in March
Apologies, may have missed this in another thread but where is it confirmed that 4803/05 had moved or will be moving to PB? I'd also assumed it would be a continuous block of numbers moving, although given the desire to keep vehicle types at a minimum at most garages, I also wonder whether the remaining 7 Enviros will stick around at PN for long.
Quote from: Mike K on March 18, 2015, 10:47:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 18, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
4259 now at Walsall and out on the 6
as reported elsewhere
4140 now at Wolverhampton
(Which will confuse some, as it wasn't on the list on facebook! That list was not the most up to date one done)
That list also did not include 4803/05 in the Enviros moving PN-PB in March
Apologies, may have missed this in another thread but where is it confirmed that 4803/05 had moved or will be moving to PB? I'd also assumed it would be a continuous block of numbers moving, although given the desire to keep vehicle types at a minimum at most garages, I also wonder whether the remaining 7 Enviros will stick around at PN for long.
Do PB have any buses that could be exhanged for the last few 09 Enviros that are at PE i wonder?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 18, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Do PB have any buses that could be exhanged for the last few 09 Enviros that are at PE i wonder?
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
Quote from: John on March 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 18, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Do PB have any buses that could be exhanged for the last few 09 Enviros that are at PE i wonder?
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
The only reason I can think of is to balance out the ratio of ALXs to Geminis
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 18, 2015, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: John on March 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 18, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Do PB have any buses that could be exhanged for the last few 09 Enviros that are at PE i wonder?
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
The only reason I can think of is to balance out the ratio of ALXs to Geminis
I would think its to maintain a balanced vehicle age profile at depots - looks like 4125-4140 Tridents are moving to Wolverhampton to replace Spectras.
Quote from: John on March 18, 2015, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 18, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Do PB have any buses that could be exhanged for the last few 09 Enviros that are at PE i wonder?
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
@John - As a driver, which do you prefer out of the PB ALX's or the Gems? Just purely out of curiosity. I should be getting my start date at the actual driver training (just CPC theory to go in a few days) so I think I'm starting to get excited haha.
Quote from: don on March 19, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
The only reason I can think of is to balance out the ratio of ALXs to Geminis
I would think its to maintain a balanced vehicle age profile at depots - looks like 4125-4140 Tridents are moving to Wolverhampton to replace Spectras.
I'd imagine the plan is for Walsall to lose all its Tridents and Geminis once all the new deliveries are in.
Quote from: Michael on March 19, 2015, 01:01:17 AM
Could do a 3 way swap with Tridents from Walsall going to Pensnett, and Perry Barr losing some more 42**s to Walsall.
Is there any reason why we are transferring 42**s out to Walsall rather than Geminis? Just curious
@John - As a driver, which do you prefer out of the PB ALX's or the Gems? Just purely out of curiosity. I should be getting my start date at the actual driver training (just CPC theory to go in a few days) so I think I'm starting to get excited haha.
It's got to be the Geminis. The cab is better and also better acceleration. 2 things I don't like about them though are the position of the cash chute as the wayfarer blocks most of the view of it, and some jolt when you start to use the brakes to slow down
4138 at Wolverhampton
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 27, 2015, 05:31:56 PM
4138 at Wolverhampton
It has been here a few weeks.
I make it 4134, 4135,4138,4140 from WA (4135 from PE) to WN
508/638 WN-Withdrawn
Quote from: Nathan on March 27, 2015, 07:04:51 PM
It has been here a few weeks.
I make it 4134, 4135,4138,4140 from WA (4135 from PE) to WN
508/638 WN-Withdrawn
4011 & 4019 have also been retired, along with 4077 from AG which is now at Miller Street
4804; 4807 & 4808 have all been moved to Perry Barr today
4808 can no longer stalk me on the 9 😠
Quote from: Matt on March 29, 2015, 06:49:56 PM
4804's tracking was still working yesterday - I thought those which were due to move to Perry Barr did not have working tracking
What tracker? If so, how did you get to the tracker?
Quote from: Matt on March 29, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
On the phone app if the tracker is not working it will only show its scheduled departure time (e.g. 19:44) as opposed to the real time (e.g. 12 mins)
I know what you mean at the end bit but is there a tracker for where the bus is at the moment?
Which e400s are left at pe then now?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 29, 2015, 07:35:04 PM
I know what you mean at the end bit but is there a tracker for where the bus is at the moment?
For IOS/Android devices
NXWM app
tells you when next bus is due and shows it in minutes
e.g. 900 Coventry 5 Mins
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 29, 2015, 07:44:20 PM
For IOS/Android devices
NXWM app
tells you when next bus is due and shows it in minutes
e.g. 900 Coventry 5 Mins
I thought he meant an actual tracker that shows you where the bus is on the map, that would be useful, even more useful if it shows you the details of the bus, eg fleetnumber.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 29, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
I thought he meant an actual tracker that shows you where the bus is on the map, that would be useful, even more useful if it shows you the details of the bus, eg fleetnumber.
It does exist, just not to the general public! Its called AVL.....
Quote from: Nathan on March 29, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
It does exist, just not to the general public! Its called AVL.....
If only it was it could help people so much... It won't I know just saying.
The following have so far moved from Pensnett to Perry Barr
4802
4803
4804
4805
4807
4808
4809
4812
4813
4815
4819
4822
4823
4824
4825
4826
4827
4828
4829
Quote from: NXDom on March 30, 2015, 07:08:44 PM
If only it was it could help people so much... It won't I know just saying.
I agree that it would be brilliant if it were public, but of course like you say, it probably won't be, possibly ever - probably because the tabloids would end up having a big palarva scare mongering people about terrorists using it to their advantage or something silly like that!
It'd be perfect for rainy days...
Quote from: NXDom on March 30, 2015, 07:08:44 PM
If only it was it could help people so much... It won't I know just saying.
It would only help bus spotters, not the traveling public.
I've got access to it, but the next bus app is far more useful to me when I am waiting at a bus stop
It would certainly help if real time apps told you how many seats were left on the bus.
Can anyone say where
4140
1515
6116
Quote from: NXDom on April 01, 2015, 07:37:37 AM
Can anyone say where
4140
1515
6116
4140 WN
1515 and 6116 PN
4800, 4810 & 4820 all moved to PB last night
1434 WA-Withdrawn
Quote from: NXDom on April 01, 2015, 07:37:37 AM
Can anyone say where
4140
1515
6116
4140-256/7
6116-246
Quote from: Tony on April 01, 2015, 09:50:04 AM
4800, 4810 & 4820 all moved to PB last night
Are all the e400s going to perry barr because 22 have moved so far leaving the 7 that were guna stay. Or are there going to be tridents maybe presidents cascade to fill the last 7?
Quote from: Rhys S on April 01, 2015, 09:47:47 AM
4140 WN
1515 and 6116 PN
The routes!!!!!! I know what garage these buses are on.
@NXDom You might want to post it in the the right thread then next time!
I've just transferred 4263 to WA 4300 also moved. I believe several more outstanding transfers are being done today
Was 4300 a late night move too, as I'm sure that was on the 101 earlier.
Quote from: Gareth on April 02, 2015, 12:51:43 AM
Was 4300 a late night move too, as I'm sure that was on the 101 earlier.
Nearly all transfers are done at night
4524 now at AG out on the 11A today seen at Yardley Swan @ 09:25
Pb4262 noted on ring road by walsall college driven by engineer,possible transfer?
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2015, 01:23:15 PM
The following have so far moved from Pensnett to Perry Barr
4802
4803
4804
4805
4807
4808
4809
4812
4813
4815
4819
4822
4823
4824
4825
4826
4827
4828
4829
4817 now transferred - Still named 'Edward Littlehales'
Quote from: John on April 03, 2015, 09:19:19 PM
4817 now transferred - Still named 'Edward Littlehales'
Wouldn't this mean that PE are now short of buses?
22 x MMCs in
23(+) x E400 out
4745 now at West Bromwich.
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 04, 2015, 12:51:40 AM
Wouldn't this mean that PE are now short of buses?
22 x MMCs in
23(+) x E400 out
No, remember 864-870. Only a couple of Mercs have been withdrawn since they entered service so they won't be short.
Quote from: filbus1 on April 04, 2015, 06:58:56 AM
4745 now at West Bromwich.
Is it on the 87? I'm catching the bus today, so I might get lucky. Does that mean YW's MMCs are out?
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 04, 2015, 10:23:42 AM
Is it on the 87? I'm catching the bus today, so I might get lucky. Does that mean YW's MMCs are out?
recent transfers completed seem to be
4258-63/300 PB-WA
4516/23-5 PB-AG
4745/47 YW-WB
Neither WB are in service, both in garage.
Yardley Wood haven't got any MMCs in service at the moment.
Several more Mercs have come off the road, trying to identify which ones at the moment
1454 is on the 34/38 today
1459 is on the 39 today
I would be surprised if either runs again after today
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 10:47:02 AM
recent transfers completed seem to be
4258-63/300 PB-WA
4516/23-5 PB-AG
4745/47 YW-WB
Neither WB are in service, both in garage.
Yardley Wood haven't got any MMCs in service at the moment.
Several more Mercs have come off the road, trying to identify which ones at the moment
1454 is on the 34/38 today
1459 is on the 39 today
I would be surprised if either runs again after today
I should consider myself lucky then that I caught 1459 this morning
Quote from: Nathan on April 04, 2015, 08:42:56 AM
No, remember 864-870. Only a couple of Mercs have been withdrawn since they entered service so they won't be short.
They also lost 4135 and a loan Trident (4310?) back to Wolverhampton - how many Mercs withdrawn also? There've been reports of at least two 151x s? Sounds to me like some changes have happened to lower the vehicle requirement a little.
I think PE have had 29 New buses and lost 29 so far
20 E400
2 Tridents
7 Mercs.
There's still a couple of moves to happen yet
Since the new Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC's6101-6122 have began to come into service. A lot of the BU09 plate Dennis Trident 2's have moved to Perry Barr, I have seen 4803,4807,4813,4822/23 and 4825 on route 16 mainly but also on other PB routes like 46 & 7 there maybe more transferred as all the PE allocation of Alexander Dennis Enviro 400MMC have now been delivered.
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 02:54:24 PM
I think PE have had 29 New buses and lost 29 so far
20 E400
2 Tridents
7 Mercs.
There's still a couple of moves to happen yet
4355 was never replaced also!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2015, 03:40:20 PM
4355 was never replaced also!
It was. Pensnett currently has 1 bus more than it should which is an E400 awaiting repairs before moving to PB
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 10:47:02 AM
recent transfers completed seem to be
4258-63/300 PB-WA
4516/23-5 PB-AG
4745/47 YW-WB
@Tony, what are the 4 Geminis to AG for?
Quote from: Michael on April 04, 2015, 03:51:23 PM
@Tony, what are the 4 Geminis to AG for?
My guess is to replace Presidents that have been put into reserve?
Are any more Tridents due at WN from WA to join 4134,4138 and 4140?
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 10:47:02 AM
recent transfers completed seem to be
4258-63/300 PB-WA
4516/23-5 PB-AG
4745/47 YW-WB
@Tony, 4516 was on the 94 today, so is it a transfer still to happen?
Quote from: John on April 04, 2015, 08:50:00 PM
@Tony, 4516 was on the 94 today, so is it a transfer still to happen?
Sorry, yes, it is 4515 that has gone, not 4516
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2015, 04:51:26 PM
My guess is to replace Presidents that have been put into reserve?
Have they already lost 4 Presidents?
What ones?
Apologise if this has been mentioned elsewhere.
Quote from: Michael on April 04, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
Have they already lost 4 Presidents?
What ones?
Apologise if this has been mentioned elsewhere.
The first one replaced 4077 now at Miller Street, currently AG has extra buses on fleet strength
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
The first one replaced 4077 now at Miller Street, currently AG has extra buses on fleet strength
Are the Presidents starting to be Withdrawn?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on April 04, 2015, 10:38:27 PM
Are the Presidents starting to be Withdrawn?
4077 has been VOR for a while, hence why it has been put in reserve
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
The first one replaced 4077 now at Miller Street, currently AG has extra buses on fleet strength
I do hope they don't get rid of them quickly! My start date for NX is in a few weeks and I want to get a chance to drive one of the Presidents!
Quote from: Michael on April 05, 2015, 02:54:07 AM
I do hope they don't get rid of them quickly! My start date for NX is in a few weeks and I want to get a chance to drive one of the Presidents!
For your training or are you passed?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 05, 2015, 08:18:22 AM
For your training or are you passed?
@BU07 LGO The 15 day training thing. Any tips?
Quote from: Michael on April 06, 2015, 02:15:32 AM
@BU07 LGO The 15 day training thing. Any tips?
I started mine February and have been on the road a month now, to be honest at first you will be mounting curbs and its quite disheartening but you soon get used to the length and width. The brakes take a lot of getting used to because they're completely different to a car. You should be fine though, I failed my first test because I mistook a 20 limit on a side road for the road I was on so went too slow! If you fail on something silly then you should get a second chance.
Let me know if want to know anything else
Presuming YWs E400 MMCs enter service tomorrow there will have been 15 E200s and 29 E400s into service since March. It will be interesting to see which 44 vehicles are withdrawn or placed into strategic reserve as a result.
Quote from: don on April 06, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
Presuming YWs E400 MMCs enter service tomorrow there will have been 15 E200s and 29 E400s into service since March. It will be interesting to see which 44 vehicles are withdrawn or placed into strategic reserve as a result.
Some withdrawls have already happened and also some vehicle transfers, Tony has put the March changes up on the Main Site tonight!
Quote from: don on April 06, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
Presuming YWs E400 MMCs enter service tomorrow there will have been 15 E200s and 29 E400s into service since March. It will be interesting to see which 44 vehicles are withdrawn or placed into strategic reserve as a result.
15 E200's in service and one already off the road with accident damage!
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2015, 10:31:15 PM
Notice 1706 withdrawn...that was on the 297 a few days ago Friday I think.
Typo, should be 1705, will correct it this morning
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
Typo, should be 1705, will correct it this morning
That's matts favourite merc
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
Typo, should be 1705, will correct it this morning
No No No No :'( :'(
It can't be
Quote from: Rhys S on April 07, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
No No No No :'( :'(
It can't be
Can you not post this pointless crap please!
I'll delete it in a few hours but in the mean time it'll be left as an example to the other members.
4301 has just left Perry Barr for Walsall
Saw 4800 on 16 this morning (7/4/15) so another Enviro400 transferred from PE to PB joining her sisters
How many of the 48** Enviros are left at Pensnett now? I only saw 4806/20 on the 141 today.
4814 departed halesowen on 241 for merry hill at 13:08
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2015, 01:06:29 PM
I thought 4820 had gone. I saw 4818 on the 241 earlier. 4806/11/14/18/21 should still be in service here.
I saw 4820 going through Old Hill earlier, so still here at the moment.
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2015, 02:07:48 PM
I swear someone reported it on a PB service a while ago, but good to hear it's back/hasn't gone.
Yest, it had got to PB, but is on the 140/141/241 today
4799 transferred YW - PB last night, looks like it might just have come out as a change bus on the 94
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
4799 transferred YW - PB last night, looks like it might just have come out as a change bus on the 94
Now back with the group of vehicle it was new with!
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
4799 transferred YW - PB last night, looks like it might just have come out as a change bus on the 94
I saw it go down Highgate road near the railway bridge.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on April 08, 2015, 09:48:29 AM
I saw it go down Highgate road near the railway bridge.
When?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on April 08, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
Yesterday at like 2:05PM
It was still in service with YW then
4801 now at Perry Barr
That was the first time I saw 4800 on a PB route other than on the 9 going down Hagley Road last month I think
Was hoping that 4799 would transfer to PB
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
4799 transferred YW - PB last night, looks like it might just have come out as a change bus on the 94
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 08, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
Was hoping that 4799 would transfer to PB
I am quite surprised we have got 4799
I would like 4698 to return too, but I wouldn't think so
4698 with its C series engine is non-standard on PB but YW has Tridents with the same engine.
Quote from: Stevo on April 08, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
4698 with its C series engine is non-standard on PB but YW has Tridents with the same engine.
4698 was non standard when it was at PB! Its the only E400 at NXWM with a Euro 3 spec engine.
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
The first one replaced 4077 now at Miller Street, currently AG has extra buses on fleet strength
Having the extra Geminis on fleet strength has had an unexpected bonus in that there seems to be even more double-decks being used on the 37 recently. :D
4301/4263/4262 at Walsall
4301 on 10/A today just waiting for 4302/3/
Quote from: Stu on April 08, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Having the extra Geminis on fleet strength has had an unexpected bonus in that there seems to be even more double-decks being used on the 37 recently. :D
Yeah I've noticed that too. 4517 was one of them today along with a 46**. I think there were a few more. AG is up on fleet strength isn't it? 4 Geminis for 1 President so far?
@Tony, 4820 still at PE, on the 140/41 241 today, is this a loan back to PE or has it been transferred back?
4746; 4748; 4749 all transferred YW-WB today, all currently park in the yard in Oak Road
Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2015, 01:16:23 PM
4801 at PB on the 16
See previous page (John's post)
4750 now transferred YW - WB
I'm surprised I haven't seen any ex YW Enviros on the 87 yet
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 11, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
I'm surprised I haven't seen any ex YW Enviros on the 87 yet
The 3 latest transfers were parked at the back of WB outstation yesterday
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/17101385621/
Quote from: Winston on April 11, 2015, 01:39:07 PM
The 3 latest transfers were parked at the back of WB outstation yesterday
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/17101385621/
Have just walked past, 4750 has joined these 3. As stated by Tony transferred.
Quote from: uniquicity on April 11, 2015, 04:25:55 PM
Have just walked past, 4750 has joined these 3. As stated by Tony transferred.
I should image more will arrive over the weekend with 6130/32 being in service at YW
Quote from: Winston on April 11, 2015, 01:39:07 PM
The 3 latest transfers were parked at the back of WB outstation yesterday
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/17101385621/
Are the 57 plate enviros 400's being route branded for the 82/87 to replace the Gemini's that have been debranded??
4293; 4295; 4298 & 4299 have transferred WB - WA today, most already in use this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
4293; 4295; 4298 & 4299 have transferred WB - WA today, most already in use this afternoon
How many B7TL ALX400's are WA having altogether?
I would say 8 in total from WB inc what's moved already.
I would have expected Perry Barr to lose more ALX's. But 4293 - 99 to move I'd assume
Quote from: pb2012 on April 14, 2015, 06:17:52 PM
I would say 8 in total from WB inc what's moved already.
Expect some more tomorrow and then you may think differently
I expect 4292 also to come from WB also which tridents have disappeared.
Also wondering where 4733-4737 will transfer when platinum arrives YW or WB
Fits both numbering sequence.
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 14, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I expect 4292 also to come from WB also which tridents have disappeared.
Also wondering where 4733-4737 will transfer when platinum arrives YW or WB
Fits both numbering sequence.
4134, 4138 and 4140 are the only Tridents to have moved from WA
Quote from: Nathan on April 14, 2015, 07:26:14 PM
4138 and 4140 are the only Tridents to have moved from WA
No they're not, 4134 went a couple of weeks ago as well
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2015, 07:28:06 PM
No they're not, 4134 went a couple of weeks ago as well
Silly me ::) Forgot that one! Cheers
Quote from: lynx1103 on April 14, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I expect 4292 also to come from WB also which tridents have disappeared.
Also wondering where 4733-4737 will transfer when platinum arrives YW or WB
Fits both numbering sequence.
I'd hope YW would get a bulk of the E400s to replace the Presidents which are getting on. The batch of 4763 to 4776 would be ideal - 14 of them to replace 13 Presidents. That would actually allow an upgrade on the 2/3 and would actually mean YW would have compliant buses on its routes into Birmingham, fitting in with the future plans with the emissions zone.
Also reduces YW's fleet age and allows Tridents to operate the 18, 49, 76 exclusively.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 14, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
I'd hope YW would get a bulk of the E400s to replace the Presidents which are getting on. The batch of 4763 to 4776 would be ideal - 14 of them to replace 13 Presidents. That would actually allow an upgrade on the 2/3 and would actually mean YW would have compliant buses on its routes into Birmingham, fitting in with the future plans with the emissions zone.
Also reduces YW's fleet age and allows Tridents to operate the 18, 49, 76 exclusively.
Why would you transfer E400s out of YW, just to transfer similar vehicles of the same age back in? There are far more routes deserving of high back seats than the 2 or 3
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
Why would you transfer E400s out of YW, just to transfer similar vehicles of the same age back in? There are far more routes deserving of high back seats than the 2 or 3
126 springs to mind!!
I stand corrected then. I thought all the Mercs and Presidents would be withdrawn when the Enviros arrived. I imagine 4292-4299 will transfer WB to WA
Well it's happened before - we had Enviro 400s come in in 2013, and less than two years later we have the same age Enviro 400s leaving YW.
And let's be honest - high backed seats are hardly that much of an upgrade. They currently look a mess outside and need work inside. And why not have the 2/3 get a bit of attention - if it can't get 7 year old unrefurbished Enviro 400s, then what does it get. The Tridents will need replacing at some point on it due to the emissions changes in the future. No doubt other major corridors will be getting new buses in the near future, and hardly sounds a great plan to have 7 year old vehicles upgrading main corridors.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 14, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
Well it's happened before - we had Enviro 400s come in in 2013, and less than two years later we have the same age Enviro 400s leaving YW.
And let's be honest - high backed seats are hardly that much of an upgrade. They currently look a mess outside and need work inside. And why not have the 2/3 get a bit of attention - if it can't get 7 year old unrefurbished Enviro 400s, then what does it get. The Tridents will need replacing at some point on it due to the emissions changes in the future. No doubt other major corridors will be getting new buses in the near future, and hardly sounds a great plan to have 7 year old vehicles upgrading main corridors.
Yes, two years later, not at the same time, and both of those moves were upgrades. The highback E400s will be getting a retrim & repaint this year
Right - if they are retrimmed and repainted then, then that is good news. Those refurbished would be an upgrade and I suppose if they went for a route like the 126 or 94 that would probably be more viable.
Quote from: NXDom on April 14, 2015, 08:47:45 PM
126 springs to mind!!
For one there would not be enough for the 126. 22 boards altogether on the 126 (20 all day boards) and only 14 High Back seated E400's
4028; 4045 & 4074 are now showing as transferred AG to Dundee, not sure if they are physically in Dundee yet
Quote from: Tony on April 15, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
4028; 4045 & 4074 are now showing as transferred AG to Dundee, not sure if they are physically in Dundee yet
Rather surprising to transfer 16 yr old vehicles with so much new stock appearing and planned over the summer. I had wondered whether there may be some 'paper' transfers - in other words listed as transferred but actually replaced by newer transferred stock almost immediately and actually withdrawn in situ.
If they did get 'physically' transferred, I wonder if they'd get repainted in new livery.............
4136 & 4139 have just transferred WA - WN (The missing one out of the batch 4137 has been in PB for a couple of weeks having work done
Quote from: Tony on April 15, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
4028; 4045 & 4074 are now showing as transferred AG to Dundee, not sure if they are physically in Dundee yet
Nope, only Merc 1687 here
Quote from: Tony on April 15, 2015, 09:15:03 AM
4028; 4045 & 4074 are now showing as transferred AG to Dundee, not sure if they are physically in Dundee yet
not when i finished last night they wer,nt .
Quote from: Tony on April 15, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
4136 & 4139 have just transferred WA - WN (The missing one out of the batch 4137 has been in PB for a couple of weeks having work done
And 4136 was out on the 255 this afternoon.
4028 4045 and 4074 are sitting in the car park of acocks green
Real shame, it's the beginning of the end of plaxton president b7s in operation here in the west Midlands I assume. I for one shall miss driving them.
4357 transferred YW - Pensnett last night and out in service already this morning.
4743 transferred YW - West Bromwich and in service on the 82/87
4129 has just gone up lower prestwood rd towards park lane is this now transfering
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 09:34:46 AM
4357 transferred YW - Pensnett last night and out in service already this morning.
4743 transferred YW - West Bromwich and in service on the 82/87
Did 4742 make the same journey as 4743? - there was a report it may have moved over.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 17, 2015, 02:27:25 PM
Did 4742 make the same journey as 4743? - there was a report it may have moved over.
Currently parked in YW garage
4526 back at Acocks Green on the 5 today (If not already reported)
Whats happening to the remain 09 plate e400 at pn they staying now?
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 17, 2015, 09:00:52 PM
Whats happening to the remain 09 plate e400 at pn they staying now?
I doubt it, given the random number order that are left, i assume they are awaiting buses to be transferred into PE to replace them.
Well with YW's 4357 moving in, perhaps that will release another E400 for PB.
4357 transferred to PE, so is joining its fellow ex YW Tridents at PE. Thus may release another PE E400 for PB.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 17, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
4357 transferred to PE, so is joining its fellow ex YW Tridents at PE. Thus may release another PE E400 for PB.
Of course. Misunderstood what you meant. Apologies
@Liberator9 :-[
4264 just transferred WB - WA
@Nathan No need to apologise - that's fine ;) I should've put that 4357 was going to PE to make it clearer.
4742 has now arrived at WB
Two more transfers happened over the weekend
4820 PN - PB
4264 WB - WA
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2015, 01:29:06 PM
Two more transfers happened over the weekend
4820 PN - PB
4264 WB - WA
Only photoed 4820 on Friday and got I printed on Friday
4297 at Walsall
Quote from: jack4325 on April 17, 2015, 12:09:56 PM
4129 has just gone up lower prestwood rd towards park lane is this now transfering
Saw it going down Bloxwich Rd South Earlier this morning presumably going to take up duties on the 41 so no it hasn't transferred to WN.
As mentioned in the Coventry section 4153, 4162 and 4181 are on loan at Coventry.
Quote from: Beano2211 on April 21, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
As mentioned in the Coventry section 4153, 4162 and 4181 are on loan at Coventry.
Are they in normal service or for a special event, like the Olympic Football?
Normal service
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
Normal service
Has anything come into BC to enable these to be released? It's only a few weeks ago that BC was having to beg, borrow and steal from other garages.
Back to actual transfers
4294 now at WA
4744 now at WB
I'm losing track with the latest transfers (Exam prep is taking its toll on me!)
Could somebody sum up the full list of:
-ALX400 B7TL's that have transferred to WA from PB and WB?
-E400's that have moved from YW to WB?
I would be very greatful :)
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I'm losing track with the latest transfers (Exam prep is taking its toll on me!)
Could somebody give me the full list of:
-ALX400 B7TL's that have transferred to WA from PB and WB?
-E400's that have moved from YW to WB?
I would be very greatful
4258 - 63, 4300, 01 - PB - WA
4293, 94, 95, 97, 98, 99, 4264 - WB - WA
4742 - 4750 - YW - WB
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I'm losing track with the latest transfers (Exam prep is taking its toll on me!)
Could somebody sum up the full list of:
-ALX400 B7TL's that have transferred to WA from PB and WB?
-E400's that have moved from YW to WB?
I would be very greatful :)
4258-4263/4300/4301 PB-WA
4264/4293-4295/4297-4299 WB-WA
4742-4751 YW-WB
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I'm losing track with the latest transfers (Exam prep is taking its toll on me!)
Could somebody sum up the full list of:
-ALX400 B7TL's that have transferred to WA from PB and WB?
-E400's that have moved from YW to WB?
I would be very greatful :)
4742-51 have so far moved to WB with 4751 in paint
4258-64/92-5/7-301 have gone to Walsall
4292 is another that seems to have moved today
Caugjt 4295 on the 301 today, it sounded nice!
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2015, 09:50:15 PM
4742-51 have so far moved to WB with 4751 in paint
4258-64/92-5/7-301 have gone to Walsall
4292 is another that seems to have moved today
Cheers :) Much appreciated.
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2015, 09:57:51 PM
Cheers :) Much appreciated. I'm aware that 4127/8 are required at WA due to being tachograph fitted for the College Contract however, will anymore of the 41**'s be moving over to WN? I.e 4125/6, 4129-33?
Affraid you will have to wait and see, you know I am not allowed to put future moves on
So WA are currently buses up at the moment then? With seemingly far more B7 ALX's coming in than Tridents out to WN
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on April 21, 2015, 10:52:12 PM
So WA are currently buses up at the moment then? With seemingly far more B7 ALX's coming in than Tridents out to WN
But B10Ls also being withdrawn?
Quote from: don on April 21, 2015, 11:01:06 PM
But B10Ls also being withdrawn?
Probably when the omnicities come from AG to replace them AG guna lose 50 with the E200 mmcs coming
WA currently have 33 Scanias - if the 311/313 goes double deck, then that alone would nearly free up enough to replace the B10Ls. Of course once 34 Scanias from AG arrive that would be more than enough to allow the B10Ls to go - it would also allow the replacement of the Wright Eclipse Urbans at WA. This surplus of deckers could be in preparation for making the 311/313 double deck, or to allow the replacement of the last Eclipse Urbans if AG Scanias do go to WA.
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 21, 2015, 11:08:25 PM
Probably when the omnicities come from AG to replace them AG guna lose 50 with the E200 mmcs coming
I meant they're being withdrawn now - presumably replaced by the incoming B7TLs. It also sounds feasible that AGs Scanias (when replaced by E200MMCs) could end up at Walsall and free up the B7 single decks for Dundee. As Tony says, we'll have to wait and see - one thing is clear - with the arrival of so many new vehicles it will be an interesting summer!
Just gone into a meeting at East Dock Street garage and found I have been followed up here by 4045
What do you think of our garage tony?.
4762 is on the 87 this morning, so I'm guessing this has been transferred too
Teaser, a batch of my favorite type deckers off too Dundee in the coming months so sad the volvo pool of buses decreases in the West Midlands fleet again. I could be wrong plans change all the time.
Quote from: JIM C on April 22, 2015, 11:27:39 PM
What do you think of our garage tony?.
Nice friendly people, not going to manage a full set of photos though. Two B7s are away at Volvo in Perth
1787 came into dock st today .
4292/4296 at Walsall
4292-77
4296-7
4359 YW - PE
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2015, 07:11:31 AM
4359 YW - PE
Was on the 246 today if my eyes served me correctly.
Why are pensnett having more vehicles in? Replacing Mercs?
Probably to allow another E400 to transfer to PB.
1434 looks to be converted to driver trainer
Quote from: Beano2211 on April 21, 2015, 04:17:21 PM
As mentioned in the Coventry section 4153, 4162 and 4181 are on loan at Coventry.
Have these returned to Birmingham now, I saw one on the Holyhead Rd driven by an engineer but couldn't get the fleet number.
Quote from: Beano2211 on April 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PM
Have these returned to Birmingham now, I saw one on the Holyhead Rd driven by an engineer but couldn't get the fleet number.
All 3 back at BC
4754 now at WB, on Dudley Rd today
4762 on 82/87 today saw it at 8:20 this morning don't know if its been already mentioned or when it was transferred from YW to WB? Anybody know??
4395 and 4666 have arrived in Coventry, on loan?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 28, 2015, 01:42:54 PM
4762 on 82/87 today saw it at 8:20 this morning don't know if its been already mentioned or when it was transferred from YW to WB? Anybody know??
See message #2173. Looks like it has moved over.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 28, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
See message #2173. Looks like it has moved over.
Cheers
@paulb1973 thanks for that info. More YW E400's to come I guess when the last 9 E400 MMC's finally get delivered
Quote from: Beano2211 on April 28, 2015, 02:13:03 PM
4395 and 4666 have arrived in Coventry, on loan?
And 4616 is also here.
Quote from: Beano2211 on April 28, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
And 4616 is also here.
Must be on loan as I was on 4616 on BC70 into Birmingham last night at about 21:10
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 28, 2015, 04:17:11 PM
Must be on loan as I was on 4616 on BC70 into Birmingham last night at about 21:10
I would say its a loan too, but just because you saw it on the 70 the night before doesnt automatically mean its a loan.
Buses that transfer will usually work the last day at there old garage and then move during the night and can be ready to take up servive the next morning at there new garage once the blinds are programmed in.
4250 at Walsall on 934/936 today
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on April 29, 2015, 12:09:25 PM
I would say its a loan too, but just because you saw it on the 70 the night before doesnt automatically mean its a loan.
Buses that transfer will usually work the last day at there old garage and then move during the night and can be ready to take up servive the next morning at there new garage once the blinds are programmed in.
Oh right ok wasn't fully aware of that so thank you for the info
Is 4358 due to transfer YW to PE?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2015, 08:20:02 PM
Is 4358 due to transfer YW to PE?
All I can say is the new person doing the allocations likes buses in batches the same as the old one did!
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2015, 08:22:57 PM
All I can say is the new person doing the allocations likes buses in batches the same as the old one did!
Say no more!
4760 now at WB, just seen on the 82 at Old Square
Saw 4760 on 82/87 today. Not sure if its been mentioned before or in fact when it transferred from YW to WB.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 30, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
Saw 4760 on 82/87 today. Not sure if its been mentioned before or in fact when it transferred from YW to WB.
Uniquicity mentioned it on the post above yours!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on April 30, 2015, 12:43:52 PM
Uniquicity mentioned it on the post above yours!
Looked everywhere apart from this page lol. Oops methinks me needs glasses & thanks for pointing out my senior moment.
Does anyone know which enviros have transferred YW - WB so far?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 30, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
Does anyone know which enviros have transferred YW - WB so far?
4742-51/3/4/60/2
4756 & 4758 have now left YW, but won't arrive at WB until next Friday, Watch out for them appearing somewhere unexpected next Wednesday
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
4756 & 4758 have now left YW, but won't arrive at WB until next Friday, Watch out for them appearing somewhere unexpected next Wednesday
It's not Coventry in place of 4616/4666 is it? Got a week off work so might get some pictures in Coventry during the week.
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
4756 & 4758 have now left YW, but won't arrive at WB until next Friday, Watch out for them appearing somewhere unexpected next Wednesday
Is one of them on hire for this?
(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/11181229_794199180688083_4316315184392945528_o.jpg)
Quote from: Stu on May 02, 2015, 03:28:01 PM
Is one of them on hire for this?
(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/11181229_794199180688083_4316315184392945528_o.jpg)
No, that will need a tacho bus
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
4756 & 4758 have now left YW, but won't arrive at WB until next Friday, Watch out for them appearing somewhere unexpected next Wednesday
outside the icc in broad st along with 1 of the new buses for the 900 as a guess
Looking at AG,s fleet list they have 10 reg plated scanias I assume westbroms allocation will come from this batch when they receive there new enviro 200 mmc,s
West broms original batch were 09 plated I recall
@Tony I've noticed that both the withdrawal of 1515 and the transfer of 4809 are in both the March and April 2015 transfer list
Quote from: 2900 on May 04, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
Looking at AG,s fleet list they have 10 reg plated scanias I assume westbroms allocation will come from this batch when they receive there new enviro 200 mmc,s
West broms original batch were 09 plated I recall
As an educated guess, I would have thought the ex Dundee ones would go to WB, and the BX10 batch to Walsall? Purely to keep the batches together.
Completely forgotten about the ex Dundee scanias still carrying there original 7 series fleet numbers I didn't see them in the fleet list where the bulk of the others are listed, it would make sense for some these to move to westbrom.
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
4756 & 4758 have now left YW, but won't arrive at WB until next Friday, Watch out for them appearing somewhere unexpected next Wednesday
4756 been driven into Perry Barr just now, driven by our OM
Quote from: John on May 05, 2015, 11:36:21 AM
4756 been driven into Perry Barr just now, driven by our OM
PB have quite a sizeable fleet of tacho fitted vehicles. Perhaps this is on loan to PB, to enable a tacho fitted bus to cover the private hire mentioned above?
Quote from: John on May 05, 2015, 11:36:21 AM
4756 been driven into Perry Barr just now, driven by our OM
Yes, both will be in service tomorrow at PB for one day only while AG borrow two Scanias for a shuttle service to the new World Resort place at the NEC tomorrow
4757 now at WB
4756 come out as a change bus on the 33
4758 also just come out in service
4137 now at WN
Quote from: jack4325 on May 05, 2015, 05:56:40 PM
4137 now at WN
And in service on the 59 today. I wonder if that is the last Trident due from WA?
Quote from: Nathan on May 05, 2015, 06:12:37 PM
And in service on the 59 today. I wonder if that is the last Trident due from WA?
It's been at WN for some time, hence its inclusion in the April transfers on the main site
Have 4357 and 4359 officially been transferred from YW to PE as they haven't been included in the March or April Fleet Changes lists on the main site?
Quote from: Roy on May 08, 2015, 04:22:34 PM
Have 4357 and 4359 officially been transferred from YW to PE as they haven't been included in the March or April Fleet Changes lists on the main site?
Yes they have
4756 & 4758 now at WB
4508 & 4512 now at AG replaced by the above two.
Before anyone asks, so far none of the four are in service yet today
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2015, 09:05:32 AM
4756 & 4758 now at WB
4508 & 4512 now at AG replaced by the above two.
Before anyone asks, so far none of the four are in service yet today
This is very unwelcome news. I take it PB aren't getting anymore Enviros from PE?
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 09, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
This is very unwelcome news. I take it PB aren't getting anymore Enviros from PE?
Why? I can't see the link between what I posted and Perry Barr getting Enviros from Pensnett
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 09, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
This is very unwelcome news. I take it PB aren't getting anymore Enviros from PE?
4756 and 4758 came from YW and were only on loan for a couple of days to PB as Tony stated a few days ago.
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 09, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
This is very unwelcome news. I take it PB aren't getting anymore Enviros from PE?
tbh, i expect PB to get all the remaining PE Enviros, as
@Tony has already said, the new vehicle allocator likes to place vehicles fleet numbers in blocks at garages, so can't see odd vehicles remaining at PE, likewise i assume 4358 will arrive at PE shortly.
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2015, 10:01:03 AM
Why? I can't see the link between what I posted and Perry Barr getting Enviros from Pensnett
There wasn't one, hence the full stop instead of a comma
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4321.html
4320 & 4321 parked up at BC with ticket machines removed, I suspect these will be at WN in the morning!
Quote from: Tony on May 15, 2015, 10:00:10 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4321.html
4320 & 4321 parked up at BC with ticket machines removed, I suspect these will be at WN in the morning!
Can I ask, Where are these exactly in BC ?!
Out in the yard at the back in this picture - fairly obvious considering they're outside.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 15, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
Out in the yard at the back in this picture - fairly obvious considering they're outside.
I meant was it in the Adderly Street bus yard opposite and just out in the main garage.
With batches of buses being tidied up, personally I think 4218, 4319 and 4366-68 will move elsewhere later in the year.
4320 and 582 were spotted in convoy between Junction 8 & 9 heading north.
Presumably 582 went to BC to pick up 4320? I don't know, but it was at 15.39.
1434 Repainted into Driver Trainer
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/17549352080/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 16, 2015, 06:15:37 PM
1434 Repainted into Driver Trainer
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/17549352080/in/dateposted-public/
It's been parked there for over a week now. It's apparently not full converted yet. I think it's awaiting the dual brakes fitted.
4320/1 at wn now
So I make it that YW has lost 19 E400s to WB, 4799 to PB and 4357 & 4359 to PE. That makes 22 vehicles out and 26 MMCs 6123-6148 in. So will 4738-4740 stay at YW now then or even 4741 as well to release 4358 which surely is destined for PE?
John
Quote from: mranon on May 16, 2015, 10:08:55 PM
4320/1 at wn now
As Tony mentioned yesterday. As with other Transfers, they would have made the move overnight
@John Stait, All of 4738-4762 will be at WB. There are still a couple of MMC's to enter service so i'd imagine the last few E400's will move to WB and 4358 will join its sisters at PE.
But if all of 4738-4762 go in addition to 4799 and 4357-4359, that's 29 buses out and only 26 in. That was what I was meaning......
4358 is now at Pensnett (not yet in service)
@Tony 4358 is on board 9/15
4522 now back at Acocks Green, was on the 37 today
Quote from: John on May 20, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
4522 now back at Acocks Green, was on the 37 today
Replaced at West Bromwich by 1952
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2015, 08:24:56 PM
Replaced at West Bromwich by 1952
1952 is the trailblazer in the return of Scania Single Deckers to West Bromwich then? :)
Quote from: John on May 20, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
4522 now back at Acocks Green, was on the 37 today
Wow, it was on the 80 just this morning, oh well
Interesting - was expecting the 7XXX Scanias to move from AG to WB actually.
Quote from: D10 on May 20, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
1952 is the trailblazer in the return of Scania Single Deckers to West Bromwich then? :)
Yes. I'm sure someone (think it was 2900) who made reference to this possibly happening.
I presume these will see off WB's Mercs?
4741 & 4761 moved YW - WB tonight, just 4752 & 4759 left to move
Are omnilinks going to be used on 48/49/53?
@Tony Good job I got 4741 this morning on its last day at YW :)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 21, 2015, 07:42:29 PM
Are omnilinks going to be used on 48/49/53?
Depends whether Pensnett get any
4521 now at AG
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
Depends whether Pensnett get any
Oh please, we don't want any of those heaps of junk at PE!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 21, 2015, 08:08:32 PM
Oh please, we don't want any of those heaps of junk at PE!
With the platinums and e200 mmcs arriving there guna be a big move around and maybe some surprises like the scania at wb. Wouldn't mind a few presidents at PE
4514 was in Acocks Green Village this afternoon. I think it was displaying 11E, but couldn't be sure as the sun was so bright.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on May 21, 2015, 08:25:01 PM
4514 was in Acocks Green Village this afternoon. I think it was displaying 11E, but couldn't be sure as the sun was so bright.
Yes, That's another one moved!
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
Depends whether Pensnett get any
I agree with
@Stuharris 6360. OmniStinks not welcome in snetterland unless they're up top yard going to Barnsley. I can understand moving them to WB but why throw in another garage that could just take the Eclipse 2's (sadly starting to like them)
Why the hate being directed at the Omnilinks - use the YW Scanias very regularly and find them very good buses - chassis are excellent and good buses to drive; pretty reliable and the YW 2010 versions don't rattle much. Exterior design is smart and easy on the eye, certainly when repainted. Interior is a bit dull, but Johnsons Scanias with the revised interiors show how good they can look inside.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2015, 09:03:22 PM
Why the hate being directed at the Omnilinks - use the YW Scanias very regularly and find them very good buses - chassis are excellent and good buses to drive; pretty reliable and the YW 2010 versions don't rattle much. Exterior design is smart and easy on the eye, certainly when repainted. Interior is a bit dull, but Johnsons Scanias with the revised interiors show how good they can look inside.
Just dull, too quiet, hideous to look at, uncomfortable and the beginning of the end of proper buses. Each to their own.
Rant over, back to business (sorry)
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2015, 09:03:22 PM
Why the hate being directed at the Omnilinks - use the YW Scanias very regularly and find them very good buses - chassis are excellent and good buses to drive; pretty reliable and the YW 2010 versions don't rattle much. Exterior design is smart and easy on the eye, certainly when repainted. Interior is a bit dull, but Johnsons Scanias with the revised interiors show how good they can look inside.
Last time i rode a YW one, i was transferred off a B10L on to it on the 27 and it managed 1/4 of a mile before it failed. Driver kept pressing the accelerator and nothing.
I think quite a number of people on here don't like them, remembering the depot visit and the number of people who ignored a Scania on the way back to get the Eclipse behind it.
Just to ask, is there no chance at all that Omnilinks will move to WN
If Pensnett get Scanias allocated to them, I'll eat my laptop!
Quote from: NXDom on May 21, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
Just to ask, is there no chance at all that Omnilinks will move to WN
About as much chance as there is of PE getting some.
My hope is that PE get some of the earlier B7Rles from AG.
Quote from: NXDom on May 21, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
Just to ask, is there no chance at all that Omnilinks will move to WN
Its more Tridents for WN!
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 21, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
If Pensnett get Scanias allocated to them, I'll eat my laptop!
Question is
@the trainbasher will you actually eat it, remember a politician recently saying that he would eat his hat if the exit poll was correct at the general Election.
surely wn will need some more single deckers to replace b6s
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 21, 2015, 09:14:52 PM
Question is @the trainbasher will you actually eat it, remember a politician recently saying that he would eat his hat if the exit poll was correct at the general Election.
That, as they say, will be revealed on Trainbasher TV...coming soon!!
Just because one Scania broke down, doesn't mean they're all bad - every bus has its occasional issue. They've got a good chassis/engine - prefer them to the Volvos.
7024 just arrived at PB (literally in the last two minutes!)
Quote from: mranon on May 21, 2015, 09:18:02 PM
surely wn will need some more single deckers to replace b6s
Why? Many of the B6 operated routes see Tridents anyway so shouldn't be a problem.
Good to hear - assume the 7XXXs at AG will move to PB; could they replace 1837-1847 which could move to WA - would be a better allocation as would mean PB have the ex CV batch and ex Dundee batch then (i.e keeps numbers better grouped together).
Are all 34 scanias leaving AG?
Yes they are - 50 Enviro 200 MMCs on order, and there's around 50 single decks there at the moment. Straight swap.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
Yes they are - 50 Enviro 200 MMCs on order, and there's around 50 single decks there at the moment. Straight swap.
7*** series for perry barr
Split the rest between PE and WB (kills most of mercs off)
Half the b7lres for WN to finish B6s off
Other half to CV
Maybe?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 21, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
7*** series for perry barr
Split the rest between PE and WB (kills most of mercs off)
Half the b7lres for WN to finish B6s off
Other half to CV
Maybe?
That doesn't look to far off from what I can make out. Fair to say the mercs are seeing their last days.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 21, 2015, 07:42:29 PM
Are omnilinks going to be used on 48/49/53?
I would hope not, seeing as the 48 is fully double deck
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2015, 09:49:56 PM
Yes they are - 50 Enviro 200 MMCs on order, and there's around 50 single decks there at the moment. Straight swap.
I thought the B7RLEs at Walsall were likely to go to Dundee - meaning a lot of the E200 MMC (say 35) would, via a complex cascade replace the older Volvo single deckers at Dundee?
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2015, 07:40:38 PM
4741 & 4761 moved YW - WB tonight, just 4752 & 4759 left to move
@Tony 4761 on 82/87 I saw her at busstop by Old Square heading towards Priory Queensway on way to terminus about 11:15
4521 moved to AG this morning seen it arriving at AG Garage at 08:45 with an engineer
AG as at 20:00 tonight have 4508/12/4-26 of the first batch.
4752 has just arrived at WB, leaving just 4755 of that batch at YW (just got back into garage of the 49)
Over the next week watch out for transfers involving AG, BC, PB, YW, WB, PN, WA; WN & Dundee, Only BY & CV not involved!
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2015, 08:06:01 PM
AG as at 20:00 tonight have 4508/12/4-26 of the first batch.
4752 has just arrived at WB, leaving just 4755 of that batch at YW (just got back into garage of the 49)
Over the next week watch out for transfers involving AG, BC, PB, YW, WB, PN, WA; WN & Dundee, Only BY & CV not involved!
@Tony Just to confirm, is that 4514-4526 or 4524-4526?
Quote from: A on May 22, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
@Tony
Just to confirm, is that 4514-4526 or 4524-4526?
4514-4526 :)
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2015, 08:06:01 PM
AG as at 20:00 tonight have 4508/12/4-26 of the first batch.
4752 has just arrived at WB, leaving just 4755 of that batch at YW (just got back into garage of the 49)
Over the next week watch out for transfers involving AG, BC, PB, YW, WB, PN, WA; WN & Dundee, Only BY & CV not involved!
Just to clarify is that transfers between garages mentioned or from AG to those garages?
Quote from: NXDom on May 22, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Just to clarify is that transfers between garages mentioned or from AG to those garages?
The garages listed will all either have buses cacaded out, in or both.
Quote from: NXDom on May 22, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Just to clarify is that transfers between garages mentioned or from AG to those garages?
Use a bit of common sense, I wouldn't list an AG - AG transfer, and even if it was only one bus to all 9 garages listed AG might be a bit short of buses!
From what I can see acocks green will be Gemini central, as Birmingham central liverpool St was trident2 capital, I wander could AG operate all of nxwm,s Gemini,s or is that ludicrous.
Quote from: 2900 on May 23, 2015, 09:01:21 AM
From what I can see acocks green will be Gemini central, as Birmingham central liverpool St was trident2 capital, I wander could AG operate all of nxwm,s Gemini,s or is that ludicrous.
Not unless the 37 was converted back which is highly unlikely. The allocation is aroiund 50 SD and 100 DD
mmm... BY? I know all the other garages by their 2 letter codes but I can't think which one this is, isn't Dundee just DE?
BY is Bordesley, mate
Cheers Alex, I've heard of it, I live in DE but lived in Birmingham for a couple of years a long time ago and I'd forgotten about Bordesley!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 23, 2015, 10:37:42 AM
Cheers Alex, I've heard of it, I live in DE but lived in Birmingham for a couple of years a long time ago and I'd forgotten about Bordesley!
Easily done mate!
Some guess work here with euro 4 vehicle requirements at West Bromwich in the next few years, I take it the number 80, 127/8/9 will require euro 4 emissions vehicles being of 10 to 15 minute frequency so I wander if walsalls enviro 400s 4700s could be transferred over bringing the 57 plate batch together. I could be miles off , with Walsall receiving the lions share of platiums,fair few buses to cascade out I imagine .
I guess the scanias could be placed on 83/89 without issues as originally operated by Mercedes
Quote from: 2900 on May 27, 2015, 10:22:41 AM
Some guess work here with euro 4 vehicle requirements at West Bromwich in the next few years, I take it the number 80, 127/8/9 will require euro 4 emissions vehicles being of 10 to 15 minute frequency so I wander if walsalls enviro 400s 4700s could be transferred over bringing the 57 plate batch together. I could be miles off , with Walsall receiving the lions share of platiums,fair few buses to cascade out I imagine .
I guess the scanias could be placed on 83/89 without issues as originally operated by Mercedes
Possibly. The news here is that we're losing our Scanias to you guys for Geminis at the moment. 37 is going to Gemini operation until the MMCs arrive. The MMCs will then cascade the Plaxtons out.
@MWAhh that explains the amount of Geminis on yesterday - very good - can it stay that way please :D Are all of AG Scanias going to WB or are some going to WA? A wacky thing that could happen is some of AG's go to YW, replacing 1896-1904 which could go to WA - that would keep the number batches together and replace some of the B10Ls up at WA.
Quote from: MW on May 27, 2015, 01:50:44 PM
Possibly. The news here is that we're losing our Scanias to you guys for Geminis at the moment. 37 is going to Gemini operation until the MMCs arrive. The MMCs will then cascade the Plaxtons out.
It's funny you mention this, as I was pondering on the same thing earlier on my way home. The cascades are still happening, just not in the original planned order!
I have noticed an increase in the number of Geminis operating on the 37 over the last week or so which, as was stated earlier, is very welcome especially at busy peak-times, so I suppose we'd better enjoy this for the next few weeks!
Despite what others here think of them, I will miss the OmniLinks, at least they are good solid buses, and they certainly can shift when given the opportunity.
@Stu I'll miss the Omnilinks as well - been really good on the 37 over the last 5 years - would be happier having them refurbished and repainted than having the E200MMCs, or having Geminis permanently.
Personally speaking, it's nice to see Geminis on the 37 as it can get packed at peak times although I will miss the Omnilinks however. Good, solid buses with not anything really having gone bad for them. Didn't think I'd see the day AG would have an ADL product ! :'(
First of this weeks transfers has just happened
4507 WB - AG
4036 & 4046. Arrived in dundee today .
4511 currently on way from WB - AG
@Tony is 4315 still at BC? I've got my suspicions it may have left, but not sure.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 28, 2015, 11:49:07 AM
@Tony is 4315 still at BC? I've got my suspicions it may have left, but not sure.
On the X64 today
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2015, 11:38:06 AM
4511 currently on way from WB - AG
Currently in the gate at AG. Also 4507, 4512 & 4522 scattered alongside it.
4507 now at AG
4318 now at WN
(neither of these are part of the chain I mentioned earlier in the week!)
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
4507 now at AG
4318 now at WN
(neither of these are part of the chain I mentioned earlier in the week!)
Ooooh, the plot thickens....
4755 now at WB completing transfer of all of 4738-62
some of 4738/9/40/7/9/52 have not actually been seen at WB as they have gone straight to paint
One of the West Bromwich engineers calling AG on the radio informed them buses ready for collection late afternoon, he didn't realise he put a general call out, amusing I thought. I wander which gems went.
Several buses parked in BC ticket machines removed waiting collection by receiving garages
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2015, 12:44:05 PM
Several buses parked in BC ticket machines removed waiting collection by receiving garages
I reckon pensnett to fit in with 41** series
4509; 4510 now at AG, completing the batch 4507-26
4316; 4317 now at WN
The chain still hasn't happened though!
When did 4513 transfer?
Has only 1 Scania left AG ?!
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
No, 2
Thank You Sir,
AG must be piling up with the recent transfers over there and only 2 buses gone
Quote from: BusFan on May 30, 2015, 10:40:40 PM
Thank You Sir,
AG must be piling up with the recent transfers over there and only 2 buses gone
2 B7TLs to Dundee and an ex Dundee Scania to PB also, reported.
Quote from: uniquicity on May 31, 2015, 12:14:58 AM
I think AG are definitely up a few buses. I make it they have 166 now. Isn't their allocation around 159 usually?
Looks like it from my point of view, I was admiring AG recently by being stood outside and I couldn't see a single President, Geminis everywhere.
More transfers happened at 5am this morning
4425; 4426; 4428 BC - PE (first part of chain)
2105 AG - PE (replacements for broken 1706)
4811; 4814 PE - PB (second part of chain)
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 09:29:21 AM
More transfers happened at 5am this morning
4425; 4426; 4428 BC - PE (first part of chain)
2105 AG - PE (replacements for broken 1706)
Didn't expect them three tridents, would have thought they would have tried to fit them in numerical order
Third part of chain now happening 1847 currently on way to Walsall from Perry Barr.
4302 now parked at the front of PB with 'transfer to WA sticker on it
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 09:40:09 AM
Third part of chain now happening 1847 currently on way to Walsall from Perry Barr.
4302 now parked at the front of PB with 'transfer to WA sticker on it
If I understood correctly from what was posted earlier in the week, the third PB vehicle to WA is going to be different to the other two types.
A Gemini may be the most obvious - but in terms of batch numbers/previous movements wouldn't match. I wonder if we're all going to be shocked - could the DD Scanias be moving?
Quote from: notepanel on May 31, 2015, 10:33:14 AM
If I understood correctly from what was posted earlier in the week, the third PB vehicle to WA is going to be different to the other two types.
A Gemini may be the most obvious - but in terms of batch numbers/previous movements wouldn't match. I wonder if we're all going to be shocked - could the DD Scanias be moving?
Only two types moving which has already happened with 1847 & 4302
Interesting moves - so regarding Scanias; my guesswork would be that
11 7019 - 7029 AG-PB (7024 already moved)
11 1837 - 1847 PB-WA
13 1941 - 1953 AG-WB
9 1932 - 1940 AG-YW
9 1896 - 1904 YW-WA
Just my ideas on it - would keep the numbering simple regarding the Scanias (bar ex CVs at PB) and allow replacements of B10Ls/B7RLEs at WA (plus Mercs at WB - 13 left?) Of course the 1932-40 could just go to WA, although wouldn't keep the numbering together.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 31, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
Interesting moves - so regarding Scanias; my guesswork would be that
11 7019 - 7029 AG-PB (7024 already moved)
11 1837 - 1847 PB-WA
13 1941 - 1953 AG-WB
9 1932 - 1940 AG-YW
9 1896 - 1904 YW-WA
Just my ideas on it - would keep the numbering simple regarding the Scanias (bar ex CVs at PB) and allow replacements of B10Ls/B7RLEs at WA. Of course the 1932-40 could just go to WA, although wouldn't keep the numbering together.
Vehicles are never moved 'to keep fleetnumbers together' It costs money to move vehicle, there is always another reason for moves.
Made a booboo in my earlier post, now deleted.
AG currently have 158 vehicles. Their allocation is usually less than CV who have 152. So they are 7-8 vehicles up currently? So potential for more moves out
Are there still transfers to come today?
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 12:10:50 PM
Are there still transfers to come today?
There are 4 more transfers that should have happened, but haven't yet
Quote from: uniquicity on May 31, 2015, 12:09:43 PM
Made a booboo in my earlier post, now deleted.
AG currently have 158 vehicles. Their allocation is usually less than CV who have 152. So they are 7-8 vehicles up currently? So potential for more moves out
I make it 157 with this morning's confirmed moves. AG's allocation is normally circa 149
I think 4821 May leave today also meaning three tridents have came into pe and only two e400s out so far
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 11:31:12 AM
Vehicles are never moved 'to keep fleetnumbers together' It costs money to move vehicle, there is always another reason for moves.
I would have thought it more likely that AG and possibly some WA B7RLEs end up at Pensnett and Coventry to replace Mercs - as WB are already training on ex AG Scanias, presumably their Mercs will be replaced by Scanias from AG. And around 25 B7RLEs from WA to Dundee? Just my guesses.
Tridents largely from BC to WN to replace Spectras and B6? Some via complex chains though!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2015, 12:21:00 PM
I think 4821 May leave today also meaning three tridents have came into pe and only two e400s out so far
Sure I saw in on the X96 earlier
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2015, 09:31:59 AM
Didn't expect them three tridents, would have thought they would have tried to fit them in numerical order
Had wondered if the chain would start last night.
I to am surprised by the choice of vehicles from BC to PE, would have thought buses in the 41XX series would have been sent.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
Had wondered if the chain would start last night.
I to am surprised by the choice of vehicles from BC to PE, would have thought buses in the 41XX series would have been sent.
I am still expecting the unexpected and some scanias to move to PE.
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 09:40:09 AM
Third part of chain now happening 1847 currently on way to Walsall from Perry Barr.
4302 now parked at the front of PB with 'transfer to WA sticker on it
4302 has now arrived at Walsall
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 31, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
I am still expecting the unexpected and some scanias to move to PE.
More likely to be Wright Eclipse 2 B7RLEs going there, seeing as they already operate the type.
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2015, 07:13:31 PM
More likely to be Wright Eclipse 2 B7RLEs going there, seeing as they already operate the type.
and I have just posted in this thread 2105 AG-PE, bit of a clue!
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 07:18:29 PM
and I have just posted in this thread 2105 AG-PE, bit of a clue!
I know, I was responding to Lauren's comment ;)
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
I know, I was responding to Lauren's comment ;)
And Me!
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 31, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
I am still expecting the unexpected and some scanias to move to PE.
I am expecting the expected and that I will have to read about every PE route the 44xx Tridents have been on for many weeks to come ;)
Quote from: Mike K on May 31, 2015, 08:25:39 PM
I am expecting the expected and that I will have to read about every PE route the 44xx Tridents have been on for many weeks to come ;)
We all have to deal with it Mike ;)
Quote from: Mike K on May 31, 2015, 08:25:39 PM
I am expecting the expected and that I will have to read about every PE route the 44xx Tridents have been on for many weeks to come ;)
Would love to know the reasoning behind why the 44xx Tridents are moving instead of the 41xx ones.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
Would love to know the reasoning behind why the 44xx Tridents are moving instead of the 41xx ones.
What's your reasoning why Pensnett should get the oldest crap, fleetnumbers?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
Would love to know the reasoning behind why the 44xx Tridents are moving instead of the 41xx ones.
PE doesn't want all 41xx Tridents, it slightly improves the age profile of PE's Tridents. BC will need to loose all its Tridents within two years anyway.
The 41's aren't that crap, in comparison to say, 802.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
The 41's aren't that crap, in comparison to say, 802.
At least 802 gets out in service most days, compare to 803 & 807!
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
What's your reasoning why Pensnett should get the oldest crap, fleetnumbers?
Partly because as Mike says, as a fleet of just 4 (presume 1 more to come) every single journey will be reported where as if we had 4186 -9, nobody would particularly bother about them.
I do wonder at the sense also of moving all the ex PE Enviros to PB, surely some should have been left to fill in on the 9 when an MMC is not available or is used on another route. With NE spending so much money on new buses for the 9, and advertising them, surely Tridents shouldn't be allowed on there as to me it devalues the service.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
Partly because as Mike says, as a fleet of just 4 (presume 1 more to come) every single journey will be reported where as if we had 4186 -9, nobody would particularly bother about them.
I do wonder at the sense also of moving all the ex PE Enviros to PB, surely some should have been left to fill in on the 9 when an MMC is not available or is used on another route. With NE spending so much money on new buses for the 9, and advertising them, surely Tridents shouldn't be allowed on there as to me it devalues the service.
Depends on the allocation if tridents are to be used and time allows then use them on peak cards limiting the time on the service
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2015, 08:37:23 PM
PE doesn't want all 41xx Tridents, it slightly improves the age profile of PE's Tridents. BC will need to loose all its Tridents within two years anyway.
@Winston Does the age profile of a garage matter that much anyway. Surely over the last couple of years, PEs has vastly improved on what it used to be.
Plus surely if BC have to loose there Tridents within 2 years, then PE would need to loose some as well as some Tridents work services into Birmingham.
You could argue WN need to loose some tridents as the 126 runs into Birmingham
Quote from: Rhys S on May 31, 2015, 08:55:26 PM
You could argue WN need to loose some tridents as the 126 runs into Birmingham
Or even they need to get some newer buses at some point in the next 2 years!
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 08:57:18 PM
Or even they need to get some newer buses at some point in the next 2 years!
They had the Hybrids
Quote from: Rhys S on May 31, 2015, 08:55:26 PM
You could argue WN need to loose some tridents as the 126 runs into Birmingham
True
@Rhys S, but of course the 126 is
"rumoured" to be going Platinum next year which would mean new buses anyway.
59 springs to mind
@Nathan
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
@Winston Does the age profile of a garage matter that much anyway. Surely over the last couple of years, PEs has vastly improved on what it used to be.
Plus surely if BC have to loose there Tridents within 2 years, then PE would need to loose some as well as some Tridents work services into Birmingham.
@Stuharris 6360 Yes, why would PE want a big batch of Y-reg Tridents that will only have a year or so service left in them? a number of which have never been refurbished & are in early NX livery.
PE Tridents work half hourly services in to B'ham City Centre, therefore the new emission rulings will no doubt be raised to min Euro 3 for such services, Min Euro 4 for higher frequency so it is not an issue other than they wouldn't be able to be used on the 9.
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
The 126 does not really match the criteria for a 'Platinum' Service. These routes seem to be Express/limited stop services. The 126 is not. However, i think the 126 will be the first route of next years order to recieve standard spec MMC's.
Tbh, i think thatthese Platinum services need to be evenly distributed around the network, otherwise you will never see the likes of Wolverhampton/Dudley/Stourbridge ever getting a Platinum service will be nil.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 08:50:33 PM
@Winston Does the age profile of a garage matter that much anyway. Surely over the last couple of years, PEs has vastly improved on what it used to be.
Plus surely if BC have to loose there Tridents within 2 years, then PE would need to loose some as well as some Tridents work services into Birmingham.
Yes, but Pensnett has routes the 44xx can be used on after May 2017, BC hasn't
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 09:11:34 PM
Yes, but Pensnett has routes the 44xx can be used on after May 2017, BC hasn't
Is the idea to use the 44XX Tridents on the 9 then?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 09:17:39 PM
Is the idea to use the 44XX Tridents on the 9 then?
I imagine he's on about the 120,140,141.
Pensnett need newer tridents. Are the ones transferred refurbished?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2015, 09:26:52 PM
Pensnett need newer tridents. Are the ones transferred refurbished?
4426 & 4428 are refurbished but 4425 isn't.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 09:17:39 PM
Is the idea to use the 44XX Tridents on the 9 then?
All Tridents bar the few that were re-engined are Euro 3. From 2017 the majority of Tridents will be barred from core/high frequency routes entering Birmingham City Centre.
PE will need newer spares than Tridents to cover for the 9 from then onwards
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 09:25:30 PM
I imagine he's on about the 120,140,141.
Not after May 2017!
I reckon these will be used on 141/140/241, and do they need more buses now there going to pensnett trading estate?
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
Not after May 2017!
Probably going to sound stupid but I'm really confused as to what is happening in may 2017, if someone could explain it would be appreciated.
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
Probably going to sound stupid but I'm really confused as to what is happening in may 2017, if someone could explain it would be appreciated.
Euro 3/4 engine buses will not be allowed in city whatsoever I think
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
Probably going to sound stupid but I'm really confused as to what is happening in may 2017, if someone could explain it would be appreciated.
I believe that's when the new emission rules are enforced ?
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
Probably going to sound stupid but I'm really confused as to what is happening in may 2017, if someone could explain it would be appreciated.
From May 2017 the Birmingham City Centre SQPS changes to min Euro 4 buses are to be used on all high frequency/core Birmingham City Centre routes.
Thanks
@Winston what is the earliest a euro 4 engined bus?
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2015, 09:44:02 PM
From May 2017 the Birmingham City Centre SQPS changes to min Euro 4 buses are to be used on all high frequency/core Birmingham City Centre routes.
Ah right, but am still confused
@Winston , you seem to say that Tridents could still be used on the 140/1, but Tony doesn't seem to agree. is this because the 140/1 are on the same registration on VOSA?
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 09:45:59 PM
Thanks @Winston what is the earliest a euro 4 engined bus?
Euro 4 Double Deckers start at 4718 (there are approx 15 Tridents that have been re-engined with Euro 4/5 engines)
Euro 4 Single Deckers start at 1788
I expect NX will have to be buying majority new double deckers the next two years to remove all the Tridents & Volvo B7TL's
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2015, 09:47:18 PM
Ah right, but am still confused @Winston , you seem to say that Tridents could still be used on the 140/1, but Tony doesn't seem to agree. is this because the 140/1 are on the same registration on VOSA?
Tony will know more than me, I thought the 140/141 were both half hourly, but the 140 is 20 min frequency in the morning peaks
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2015, 09:54:18 PM
Tony will know more than me, I thought the 140/141 were both half hourly, but the 140 is 20 min frequency in the morning peaks
All these regulations, so confusing, next Sandwell Council will be introducing a requirement that all buses that travel through Bearwood must be minimum Euro 6! ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
I expect NX will have to be buying majority new double deckers the next two years to remove all the Tridents & Volvo B7TL's
That's a lot of buses to be replacing !
Quote from: BusFan on May 31, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
That's a lot of buses to be replacing !
They've only got to be removed from Birmingham City Centre core routes, not the entire NXWM fleet
For that muppet councilor I asumme only hybrids will do for bearwood high St to save the lungs of his fellow constituents. May he could ban all buses from the high St and bring back trolley buses or trams to serve between kings head and the barley corn.
7025; 7028; 7029 now at PB
4315 now at Wolverhampton
1840 (on the 4)
1842 (in garage)
Now at Walsall
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
1840 (on the 4)
1842 (in garage)
Now at Walsall
4527-4534? Are there any plans on those? Coming back to AG maybe? I've got an idea as I think you saying elsewhere they are chosen for something a couple of weeks ago.
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
1840 (on the 4)
1842 (in garage)
Now at Walsall
What is the reason for Perry Barr recieving the 70** OmniLinks from Acocks Green, and then transferring the 18**s out to Walsall. I mean instead of just transfering the 70**s to Walsall
@John Thinking the exact same thing - sure PB would rather keep the refurbished Scanias rather than the unrefurbished 70XXs. Only explanation is a desire to keep the batches together - but really would just be easier to transfer the 70XXs to Walsall. Could mean you'll have 7027 back with the sharp brakes...
I wonder if Perry barrs 19**'s will go back to Walsall in that case?
Quote from: John on June 09, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
What is the reason for Perry Barr recieving the 70** OmniLinks from Acocks Green, and then transferring the 18**s out to Walsall. I mean instead of just transfering the 70**s to Walsall
Better you than us!
Sidenote: The MMCs due at AG are apparently as quick if not quicker than the Scanias! According to a few engineers anyway, so they seem like worthy replacements for the 7*** batch.
@MW
Do you know if they have the normal Voith gearbox or are they having the ZF gearbox fitted?
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 09, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
@MW
Do you know if they have the normal Voith gearbox or are they having the ZF gearbox fitted?
I have no idea, I didn't get to type train on one. I've just glanced at it when it was at the depot. Nothing in depth. I probably won't get to drive one in service for ages (after they arrive that is). I'm hardly on the 37, and don't go near the 70s/966.
Quote from: MW on June 09, 2015, 08:28:01 PM
Better you than us!
Sidenote: The MMCs due at AG are apparently as quick if not quicker than the Scanias! According to a few engineers anyway, so they seem like worthy replacements for the 7*** batch.
I don't know why, but I do think the '57' plates are nicer to drive than the ex-Dundee examples. They just seem a lot smoother
It doesn't really bother me much anymore because I rarely drive an OmniLink now!
Quote from: John on June 09, 2015, 09:04:44 PM
I don't know why, but I do think the '57' plates are nicer to drive than the ex-Dundee examples. They just seem a lot smoother
It doesn't really bother me much anymore because I rarely drive an OmniLink now!
ive never driven one bar type training around the garage! Today was interesting though I had a b7rle and a enviro200!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 09, 2015, 09:08:07 PM
ive never driven one bar type training around the garage! Today was interesting though I had a b7rle and a enviro200!
What route were you on today?
I have only had one of our little Enviro200s from one end of our garage to the other to move it closer to the pumps. I know I can't judge it much, but it seemed like a nice bus
Quote from: John on June 09, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
What route were you on today?
I have only had one of our little Enviro200s from one end of our garage to the other to move it closer to the pumps. I know I can't judge it much, but it seemed like a nice bus
I had the b7rle on the 29 this morning and the enviro on the 70 this evening. Was expecting it to be terrible reading the reviews but was quite impressed. Only thing was the warfarer was dead straight and over to the left so bit of an awkward angle
Quote from: John on June 09, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
What route were you on today?
I have only had one of our little Enviro200s from one end of our garage to the other to move it closer to the pumps. I know I can't judge it much, but it seemed like a nice bus
One of your E200s driver got pretty vexed with me today lol, was at the stop at Perry Barr on 11A, towards Erdington side. I had 7mins-ish drop back so I was parked with hazards on and jumped out for a stretch. I think it was a new driver in the E200 as the buddy driver had a right face on him blatantly staring at me as they squeezed past. Having said squeezed, a Plaxton got through the gap fine but the E200 Dart thing struggled lol.
@MW
Thanks - hopefully won't be long until they come down and I'll be able to find out.
7027 has moved AG - PB today, more moves expected tonight
1843 & 1844 now at Walsall
Any indication as to when the cascaded Walsall B7RLE's will be moving to Dundee, also, there was a rumour of some '54 plate Geminis coming up here, anything on those
@Tony?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 10, 2015, 10:32:41 PM
Any indication as to when the cascaded Walsall B7RLE's will be moving to Dundee, also, there was a rumour of some '54 plate Geminis coming up here, anything on those @Tony?
Should be 4680-4686 considering they're leaving the Midlands
Quote from: Nathan on June 10, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
Should be 4680-4686 considering they're leaving the Midlands
Any planned departure dates for these? Still need a ride on a few of them..............
Quote from: Sk47829 on June 10, 2015, 11:41:58 PM
Any planned departure dates for these? Still need a ride on a few of them..............
I love the suspense of disbelief on sites like this....
HOW, in the scheme of things can anyone NEED to travel on a particular bus because of the arbitrary fleet number stickered on it.
Not having a go, as I have fallen into similar traps, but I still can't fathom WHY.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 10, 2015, 11:59:24 PM
I love the suspense of disbelief on sites like this....
HOW, in the scheme of things can anyone NEED to travel on a particular bus because of the arbitrary fleet number stickered on it.
Not having a go, as I have fallen into similar traps, but I still can't fathom WHY.
So, you're surprised that on a bus enthusiast's forum there might be a bus enthusiast? Simple really, whilst it isn't a life or death thing, I quite like to travel on different vehicles. And strangely enough, you'd think a forum that carries information about the fleet might be the best place to ask....... Obviously you don't see the point in certain aspects of the hobby, but that's clearly just you being narrow-minded. I can't see the point in many things ; collecting timetables, ranting about football, fishing, planes, trucks and so forth, but as I haven't got my head up my backside I just accept that people like different things and get on with it. Try it sometime! Anyhow, part of the hobby involves "targetting" vehicles with a limited life in the West Midlands, so previously there was a lot of interest in Metrobuses, now the Spectras are providing many questions, and I'd be interested to hear when the various vehicles are likely to come off the road so I can indudge in a spot of "doomsday bashing"........
So, if anyone has got a sensible answer, I'd be interested...... as would many others I suspect. Some "death dates" for the B7 Presidents would also be helpful. That way when I do fancy a trip out, I'd know where to go and what to do.
I can also never see how in the scheme of things some keyboard warriors like to snipe at others whilst hiding behind a user name, and thinking their opinion is the only relevant one.............
Does that help?
Today might be the last day for some of 4680_6
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 06:43:48 AM
Today might be the last day for some of 4680_6
Where they going?
Dundee
I like your phrase Doomsday Bashing, yes I get that.
More arrivals at Walsall. 1918 & 4141
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 10:27:45 AM
More arrivals at Walsall. 1918 & 4141
4141 - oh noooooo! :'(
Theres an omnilink on the 51, im sure it has blue seat backs?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 11, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
Theres an omnilink on the 51, im sure it has blue seat backs?
1843
1918 was in the garage with 51 on the front when I was there earlier, don't know if it actually went out
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 07:03:52 PM
1918 was in the garage with 51 on the front when I was there earlier, don't know if it actually went out
The second OmniLink I saw on the 51 was an 188* or 189* one, so there might have even been three if 1918 was also on there!
See, no-one forecast 1918 & 4141, told you there would be a couple of surprises
Have 4680-4686 gone yet?
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 07:14:53 PM
See, no-one forecast 1918 & 4141, told you there would be a couple of surprises
Tbh i'm surprised about 4141. I would have expected it to join its sisters at WN.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 11, 2015, 07:20:50 PM
Have 4680-4686 gone yet?
As I told you today would be the last day in service for them it doesn't seem very likely!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 11, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
Theres an omnilink on the 51, im sure it has blue seat backs?
Ugh. Singles on the 51 is bad. Omnilinks worse. Cant imagine what it was like earlier in the rush hour but 1843 was a standing load leaving brum at 18:45
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 07:14:53 PM
See, no-one forecast 1918 & 4141, told you there would be a couple of surprises
Tony are you able to confirm if these are 'long term' transfers, or interim pending future bus movements in the near future?
Quote from: notepanel on June 11, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
Tony are you able to confirm if these are 'long term' transfers, or interim pending future bus movements in the near future?
1918 definately staying, 4141 not decided yet. The Scanias currently arriving are the permanent replacements for the B10Ls, just 5 of them are not leaving yet because of Dundee having an urgent need for 468x Geminis
Is there any news on the Scanias to WB rumours?
Quote from: JackC on June 11, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
Is there any news on the Scanias to WB rumours?
You mean 1952 that has been allocated to West Bromwich for a month?
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
You mean 1952 that has been allocated to West Bromwich for a month?
Are they waiting for more scanias to come to west brom before they come in to service there
I'm guessing that transfers can't really happen in any quantity until AG receive their E200's
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
You mean 1952 that has been allocated to West Bromwich for a month?
Haven't seen it out at all so didn't even realise it was there.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 11, 2015, 07:20:50 PM
Have 4680-4686 gone yet?
I'm Gussing 4141 is a tempory transfer at Walsall to replace 4680-4686.
When platinum arrive it will probably pass to Wolverhampton
4680 & 4682 arrived at Dundee depot at 17:50
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2015, 07:54:26 PM
4680 & 4682 arrived at Dundee depot at 17:50
Crikey that was quick - presumably very urgent need then.
7023 and 7026 just left ag to go to perry barr
4681 4683 just left for Dundee
1845 now at Walsall
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
4681 4683 just left for Dundee
1845 now at Walsall
And 7027 at Perry Barr
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2015, 08:39:53 AM
4681 4683 just left for Dundee
1845 now at Walsall
Do you know what time they can be expected at Dundee?
6.23pm
Quote from: Kiewii on June 13, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
Do you know what time they can be expected at Dundee?
Just over an hour ago
1844 parked by the bus wash at half 7 when I got back
Quote from: John on June 13, 2015, 09:03:12 AM
And 7027 at Perry Barr
On the 952 atm, complete with "Acocks Green Village of Play" poster, had a little chuckle to meself
And then there was 1.
4821 now at PB
Quote from: Tony on June 14, 2015, 06:31:46 PM
And then there was 1.
4821 now at PB
Has anything replaced it
@Tony or are PE up to strength?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 14, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
Has anything replaced it @Tony or are PE up to strength?
4429 & 4430 have literally left BC 5 minutes ago heading in that direction
4684; 4685 & 4686 currently heading to Dundee
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2015, 03:48:30 PM
4684; 4685 & 4686 currently heading to Dundee
can drivers volunteer to take buses to Dundee etc?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 15, 2015, 10:05:33 PM
can drivers volunteer to take buses to Dundee etc?
Most are moved by contractors
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 15, 2015, 10:05:33 PM
can drivers volunteer to take buses to Dundee etc?
I'm think it's an external company who takes them up, I seem to remember it being said somewhere, either in garage or on here.
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on June 12, 2015, 09:25:49 PM
7023 and 7026 just left ag to go to perry barr
7023 was out on the 66 today, saw it on Priory Queensway this morning.
(Repost)
4142 now at Walsall
1846 now at Walsall, out on the 4 today
First transfer of July just happened - 1951 to West Bromwich
4431 & 4432 both delivered to Pensnett in the early hours of the morning, both in service there today on the 246
4496 WRIGHTBUS GEMNI B7TL
While in oldbury town centre around 2000 hrs 4496 comes in as a change bus for the 1958 to Dudley on the 87, talking to the engineer it arrived on 7th during the afternoon.
Is this a loan ?
Or a sign of things to come, may be once all the 4500,s have gone to AG may be some 4400s will come west broms way, just assuming.
Quote from: 2900 on July 08, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
4496 WRIGHTBUS GEMNI B7TL
While in oldbury town centre around 2000 hrs 4496 comes in as a change bus for the 1958 to Dudley on the 87, talking to the engineer it arrived on 7th during the afternoon.
Is this a loan ?
Or a sign of things to come, may be once all the 4500,s have gone to AG may be some 4400s will come west broms way, just assuming.
4496 was On Loan to WB :)
4332 in YW, transfer or just visiting?
Quote from: 2900 on July 08, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
4496 WRIGHTBUS GEMNI B7TL
While in oldbury town centre around 2000 hrs 4496 comes in as a change bus for the 1958 to Dudley on the 87, talking to the engineer it arrived on 7th during the afternoon.
Is this a loan ?
Or a sign of things to come, may be once all the 4500,s have gone to AG may be some 4400s will come west broms way, just assuming.
I seen it at Summerfield Park timing point. It went past on the 80 I think it was. Had me puzzled aswell.
Quote from: MW on July 08, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
I seen it at Summerfield Park timing point. It went past on the 80 I think it was. Had me puzzled aswell.
I posted yesterday morning that PB had a short E200 on loan and WB had this Gemini in exchange
4143 & 4144 now part of WN fleet.
7019 & 7020 now Perry Barr buses
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2015, 09:59:00 AM
7019 & 7020 now Perry Barr buses
Is that all the ex-Dundee Scania's now at PB? Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 12, 2015, 01:26:06 PM
Is that all the ex-Dundee Scania's now at PB? Tony
No 7021 & 7022 are at AG
Has 4818 moved yet ?
Quote from: karl724223 on July 12, 2015, 03:38:07 PM
Has 4818 moved yet ?
Not yet, nor has its replacement either
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2015, 01:34:11 PM
No 7021 & 7022 are at AG
Is there a date when they will move to join the others at PB or will it be when more MMC's get delivered?
I was told today 4141/2 were being picked up for WN today. Truth or lie
@Tony?
Quote from: Nathan on July 12, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
I was told today 4141/2 were being picked up for WN today. Truth or lie @Tony?
Lie, no plans to move them
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 12, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
4427?
4427 is poorly.
4818 is so valuable to Pensnett it get's two replacements!
If the E200MMC's have started arriving in the Midlands to start the cascade chain, does anyone know when the B7RLE's destined for Dundee will start to move and will they get repainted / refurbed first?
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2015, 04:20:29 PM
4427 is poorly.
4818 is so valuable to Pensnett it get's two replacements!
Interesting, another Merc to bite the dust.
Will be sad to see 4818 go, the original Enviro 400s have been good work horses for PE.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 12, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
Interesting, another Merc to bite the dust.
Will be sad to see 4818 go, the original Enviro 400s have been good work horses for PE.
i have got to admit I agree with you that batch of enviro 400s are really nice to drive still the ex bc 44xx tridents are set up good as well
4303 has just been delivered to WA, and 4809 was collected from the paintshop to return to PB
4818 now at PB
4433 4434 now at Pensnett.
If anyone is looking for the weekend transfers
4143 - 33
4144 - 255 etc
4433 - 140 etc
4434 - 140 etc
4818 - 16
7019 - 28
7020 - 66
4304 now at Walsall
So former Dundee Volvos might displace Volvos to Dundee.
1839 now at Walsall (not out before anyone asks)
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
So former Dundee Volvos might displace Volvos to Dundee.
Looks that way! :)
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
So former Dundee Volvos might displace Volvos to Dundee.
So dundee might be sending some of their older volvo buses down to the midlands, bit confused there :S
Quote from: Chris on July 15, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
So dundee might be sending some of their older volvo buses down to the midlands, bit confused there :S
I assume Stevo means ex Dundee 4300-4304
Yes - seeing the recent move of 4304 to WA made me remember when they were at MS back in 2002 for Sutton Lines but went up to Dundee.
Weren't these buses new to Dundee? they're on Dundee registrations (ST02 ...) and were originally Tayside 180 - 184, I wasn't aware they spent any time in the WM before entering service up here.
Quote from: Tony on July 15, 2015, 08:36:32 AM
1839 now at Walsall (not out before anyone asks)
It is now. Left Wolverhampton within the last half an hour.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on July 15, 2015, 02:04:26 PM
Weren't these buses new to Dundee? they're on Dundee registrations (ST02 ...) and were originally Tayside 180 - 184, I wasn't aware they spent any time in the WM before entering service up here.
They never ran in the West Midlands, but were delivered down here complete with Sutton Lines branding
If I remember right they had Birmingham regs but were given the Scots ones on transfer.
Quote from: Stevo on July 15, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
If I remember right they had Birmingham regs but were given the Scots ones on transfer.
Yes, they were
BU51 RYH 4300
BU51 RYJ 4301
BU51 RYK 4302
BU51 RYM 4303
BU51 RYN 4304
Quote from: John on July 15, 2015, 05:11:11 PM
Yes, they were
BU51 RYH 4300
BU51 RYJ 4301
BU51 RYK 4302
BU51 RYM 4303
BU51 RYN 4304
That explains things, I hadn't realised that, thanks for the info.
2113 now at Wolverhampton
Didn't expect that one :) I assume if more move to WN they'll replace the B6s.
Quote from: Nathan on July 16, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Correct. Will replace remaining B6's. I'd imagine there will be 5 or 6 coming over on that basis.
Not true, because the route they are for is not currently operated by B6s
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2015, 08:57:35 AM
Not true, because the route they are for is not currently operated by B6s
Apologies Tony. I was given incorrect info then.....
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 16, 2015, 07:07:46 AM
Didn't expect that one :) I assume if more move to WN they'll replace the B6s.
I'm thinking that 2105-2118 will now be split between PE & WN, with 2120 possibly going to BC
Quote from: Winston on July 16, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
I'm thinking that 2105-2118 will now be split between PE & WN, with 2120 possibly going to BC
Although 2120 would fit in numericaly at BC, I don't think BC need any more single deckers, in fact less.
Most daytime X64s are now operated by double deckers. It's just mainly the 29, 58 and 98 that use them.
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
2113 now at Wolverhampton
And has just got almost as far from AG as it will, doing the afternoon extra 154 to Cannock
Quote from: Winston on July 16, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
I'm thinking that 2105-2118 will now be split between PE & WN, with 2120 possibly going to BC
With 2113 being sent to WN i assume 2106-2112 will join PN and maybe 2113 to 2120 to WN (maybe BC might send 2119 over?). How many mercs pn got left?
Quote from: Chris on July 16, 2015, 03:16:25 PM
With 2113 being sent to WN i assume 2106-2112 will join PN and maybe 2113 to 2120 to WN (maybe BC might send 2119 over?). How many mercs pn got left?
to many
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2015, 08:57:35 AM
Not true, because the route they are for is not currently operated by B6s
what route are they intended for tony? i was thinking maybe the 25 or 82
Last time I was on an 82 it was a Metrobus Mk11!!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on July 16, 2015, 08:21:16 PM
Last time I was on an 82 it was a Metrobus Mk11!!
That would be the other (and the proper 82) NX and Centro like to have multiple routes all with the same number in different areas. Apparently locals find it easier! Apparently people have difficult with 3 digit numbers. I worry for people!
Quote from: Chris on July 16, 2015, 03:16:25 PM
With 2113 being sent to WN i assume 2106-2112 will join PN and maybe 2113 to 2120 to WN (maybe BC might send 2119 over?). How many mercs pn got left?
Oo perhaps WN will be sending 20xx B7RLEs to Dundee to keep the number series together .... it also seemed that Pensnett was replacing at least some of its Mercs with cascaded Tridents.
I'm lead to believe that the cascaded 56 plate B7RLE's that are heading to Dundee will be coming from Walsall, will they be green when they get here?...
Quote from: DavieDD2 on July 16, 2015, 08:34:41 PM
I'm lead to believe that the cascaded 56 plate B7RLE's that are heading to Dundee will be coming from Walsall, will they be green when they get here?...
Well as Walsall is the only garage with them, apart from 1787 already in Dundee I think you are correct.
Quote from: mranon on July 16, 2015, 08:09:04 PM
what route are they intended for tony? i was thinking maybe the 25 or 82
54/154 perhaps?
think they would be more suited to the 54/154 but as they have the horrid e200s branded n wifi'd up i cant see it
4560 now at walsall!!!!!
997 and x51 today
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 23, 2015, 07:15:25 AM
4560 now at walsall!!!!!
997 and x51 today
Think this is just a loan
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 23, 2015, 07:31:58 AM
Think this is just a loan
Think I just passed 4596 parked up in Walsall with 51 on the blinds.
7021 and 7022 just left ag for perry barr
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2015, 08:38:33 PM
Well as Walsall is the only garage with them, apart from 1787 already in Dundee I think you are correct.
when are they going? but i know one has gone
1837 & 1838 now at Walsall
1837 on the 4 today
1838 is now out on 301's, just passed me near Walsall garage
@TonyLooking at the fleet changes page, you have 1610 withdrawn twice from Coventry, first in April and then in June
Any sign of the B7RLE's moving north to Dundee from Walsall? our Liberators and Renowns are falling by the wayside all too quickly, they're definitely needed!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on July 28, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
Any sign of the B7RLE's moving north to Dundee from Walsall? our Liberators and Renowns are falling by the wayside all too quickly, they're definitely needed!
Not needed yet, you are still on reduced PVRs during the school holidays
1779/1786 look smart for transfer to Dundee shame there leaving Walsall.
I wonder how Many 17xx will stay at Walsall maybe just original batch 1750-1768
1841 now at Walsall, completing that batch of transfers. On the 34 today
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2015, 08:25:55 AM
1841 now at Walsall, completing that batch of transfers. On the 34 today
That should leave PB with the following:
761-4; 1863-77; 1905-7; 4235-46/51-57/76-91; 4475-4502; 4697; 4777-81; 4799-4815/17-29/43-56; 4914-39; 7019-33. Which I think is 176 vehicles.
Are All the ex premium 997/x51 vehicles going to Coventry?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 14, 2015, 04:45:46 PM
Are All the ex premium 997/x51 vehicles going to Coventry?
@Trident 4194 all of them except 4776
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 14, 2015, 04:34:44 PM
That should leave PB with the following:
761-4; 1863-77; 1905-7; 4235-46/51-57/76-91; 4475-4502; 4697; 4777-81; 4799-4815/17-29/43-56; 4914-39; 7019-33. Which I think is 176 vehicles.
@paulb1973 I agree with that.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 14, 2015, 04:34:44 PM
That should leave PB with the following:
761-4; 1863-77; 1905-7; 4235-46/51-57/76-91; 4475-4502; 4697; 4777-81; 4799-4815/17-29/43-56; 4914-39; 7019-33. Which I think is 176 vehicles.
Great summary, thanks! I hadn't noticed that the B7 ALX were in such good blocks now, that's quite tidy.
4104 AG-YW
4105 AG-WA
Walsalls got a Plaxton President didn't see that coming
Well that's certainly something - assume replacing the 8 Geminis up there, which will go to AG. Never saw this one coming along!
@BU07 LGO enjoy the Plaxtons :D lol
HOLY S***. That is unexpected!
And to ask the obvious question,
@Tony are they out?
Nice to see a President to be back in Walsall, this time with a digital destination blind. ;)
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 16, 2015, 10:28:47 AM
Nice to see a President to be back in Walsall, this time with a digital destination blind. ;)
Didn't one or two of the original 4042-4055 batch have early versions of dot matrix displays when new? Or maybe I'm imagining that.
Quote from: Mike K on August 16, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Didn't one or two of the original 4042-4055 batch have early versions of dot matrix displays when new? Or maybe I'm imagining that.
Yes, 53 or 54 I think. You can still see the cutaway in the black surround to the left of the destination display window where it used to be
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 16, 2015, 10:28:47 AM
Nice to see a President to be back in Walsall, this time with a digital destination blind. ;)
Probably won't see normal service
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2015, 10:39:26 AM
Probably won't see normal service
Can I hazard a guess it will then be loaned to WN for V Festival duties, before either being withdrawn or used as a trainer?
Quote from: Stu on August 16, 2015, 11:11:58 AM
Can I hazard a guess it will then be loaned to WN for V Festival duties, before either being withdrawn or used as a trainer?
Yeah that occurred to me just whilst speaking to
@Alex
Quote from: Mike K on August 16, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Didn't one or two of the original 4042-4055 batch have early versions of dot matrix displays when new? Or maybe I'm imagining that.
no 55 & 56 had the dot matrix destination 56 had it all round where as 55 just had front dot matrix
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 16, 2015, 12:13:03 PM
no 55 & 56 had the dot matrix destination 56 had it all round where as 55 just had front dot matrix
The two with Dot Matrix were
4054 (see bottom photo) http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4054.html
4056 (see bottom photo) http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4056.html
4055 did have LED (see bottom photo)
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4055.html
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2015, 12:31:18 PM
The two with Dot Matrix were
4054 (see bottom photo) http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4054.html
4056 (see bottom photo) http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4056.html
4055 did have LED (see bottom photo)
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4055.html
I thought 4054 had just the front LED but wasn't 100% sure
@Tony as I didn't fancy any smart comments lol
1939 AG - PB (currently on the 66)
Interesting move - are they going to replace any deckers at PB?
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 17, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
Interesting move - are they going to replace any deckers at PB?
Well if they are going to replace deckers witch route would they be used on.
All I can see being able to cope with Singles would be the 38 or, the 46.
@Liberator9
Quote from: 2206 on August 17, 2015, 10:56:54 AM
All I can see being able to cope with Singles would be the 38 or, the 46.
Could be for the new 15A/C.
Quote from: AV4248 on August 17, 2015, 11:55:20 AM
Could be for the new 15A/C.
@AV4248 don't think so that will replace the 66A witch youses 2 Scania Omnilink's the 15A/C will just youse the 2 buses that come of the 66A. The 66 should have some spare buses coming of it aswell?
@2206 I'm a bit lost as to what route they could be for as well. Thought most obvious routes need decker. The 46 could be a possibility - only other could be the first 67?
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 17, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
@2206 I'm a bit lost as to what route they could be for as well. Thought most obvious routes need decker. The 46 could be a possibility - only other could be the first 67?
The 67 is far too busy to cope with single deckers. The 46 from what I've seen could cope with single deckers. I've been told that the turn from Heathfield road onto the Birchfield Road is very tight in an OmniLink (It's tight enough in a decker)
I was wondering if it is a temporary transfer to cover for repaints currently away
Did PB gain enough replacements in return for the Scania's they lost to Walsall? If not then that's the only reason I can think of.
@John Yeah thought the 67 would be too busy - could be temporary as you say. Suppose the 7 xxx scanias will be refurbished next.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 17, 2015, 01:16:57 PM
@John Yeah thought the 67 would be too busy - could be temporary as you say. Suppose the 7 xxx scanias will be refurbished next.
The 38 would easily cope with a Omnilink and replace the B7TL ALX400 currently yoused on there, only other would be the 46
@Liberator9
Could be for 52/52A?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 17, 2015, 06:22:05 PM
Could be for 52/52A?
@The Fox 4846 again with every 2nd 66 being shortened to Star City I assume there will be enough for the 52/A anyway there were rumors PB will get the 61 plate Enviro 400 from Walsall
4427 BC - PN
Expect a lot of moves in the next 3 days, some are permanent, some are loans for V Festival
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
4427 BC - PN
Expect a lot of moves in the next 3 days, some are permanent, some are loans for V Festival
Is that what the PB enviros at wa are for?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 18, 2015, 08:20:12 PM
Is that what the PB enviros at wa are for?
No, but thats what the presidents are there for
Quote from: Dom on August 18, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
No, but thats what the presidents are there for
Is it?
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
Is it?
Supposedly, and you saying they will probably never enter normal service strengthens that theory.
Quote from: Dom on August 18, 2015, 08:37:09 PM
Supposedly, and you saying they will probably never enter normal service strengthens that theory.
I think you will find 4105 will still be at Walsall after V Festival. V Festival vehicles are loans, I listed this as a transfer
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
I think you will find 4105 will still be at Walsall after V Festival. V Festival vehicles are loans, I listed this as a transfer
Why is it there then? Some sort of contract?
Training vehicle?
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 18, 2015, 08:48:21 PM
Training vehicle?
Wouldn't that just get withdrawn and re done as a trainer?
amazon ?
@DomVery true actually - in that case I've not a clue
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
4427 BC - PN
Expect a lot of moves in the next 3 days, some are permanent, some are loans for V Festival
I think this leaves BC [for the time being] with the following allocation:
801-9; 2119/21-52; 4145-89/4218; 4366-68; 4435-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4895-4913; 4940-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18 (total 216 buses).
Could be for the new Cannock school services
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 18, 2015, 08:53:47 PM
I think this leaves BC [for the time being] with the following allocation:
801-9; 2119/21-52; 4145-89/4218; 4366-68; 4435-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4895-4913; 4940-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18 (total 216 buses).
I think you are correct, but 3 more vehicles should leave on Thursday, and 6 more should arrive within the next week
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
I think you are correct, but 3 more vehicles should leave on Thursday, and 6 more should arrive within the next week
Three tridents to either PN or WN
Six Enviros from WA to BC
Looking at the fleetlist, three vehicles which are numerically off now are 1905, 1906, 1907 - probably totally wrong but I sense they could move to YW; perhaps 1896 to 1899 shift over to WA; with 4104 also having gone to YW would mean 4 out, 4 in. However every single other guess I've made regarding transfers have been wrong :D
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 18, 2015, 09:19:24 PM
Looking at the fleetlist, three vehicles which are numerically off now are 1905, 1906, 1907 - probably totally wrong but I sense they could move to YW; perhaps 1896 to 1899 shift over to WA; with 4104 also having gone to YW would mean 4 out, 4 in. However every single other guess I've made regarding transfers have been wrong :D
Well yes, because I was answering the question about BCs fleet!
I have to ask when it comes to vehicle transfers, do NX strive to keep the fleet somewhat organized (If thats the right word?)
E.g. in the case of the OmniLinks 1837 - 1840 & 1842 - 1862 are at Walsall although 1841 is at Perry Barr. The OCD nature within me would have 1841 also at Walsall so the numbers look uniform but is this a factor that NX take into account when vehicles are transferred over or do the garage priorities take over. I understand a number of factors are considered (Some I do and many I don't) but I'm awfully curious about this.
@GeminiFan1991 1841 is now at Walsall :)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 18, 2015, 09:28:52 PM
I have to ask when it comes to vehicle transfers, do NX strive to keep the fleet somewhat organized (If thats the right word?)
E.g. in the case of the OmniLinks 1837 - 1840 & 1842 - 1862 are at Walsall although 1841 is at Perry Barr. The OCD nature within me would have 1841 also at Walsall so the numbers look uniform but is this a factor that NX take into account when vehicles are transferred over or do the garage priorities take over. I understand a number of factors are considered (Some I do and many I don't) but I'm awfully curious about this.
1841 is at Walsall though...
Thanks
@Liberator9 @Ashley 60171 Don't I feel stupid now ! I was referring to the main site when I wrote that piece.
Thats 1 for the site error thread ! @GeminiFan1991 No it's not, as 1841 moved during August! Winston
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 18, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
Thanks @Liberator9 @Ashley 60171
Don't I feel stupid now ! I was referring to the main site when I wrote that piece. Thats 1 for the site error thread !
It's not a website error, every single event at NXWM is increasingly well documented on the forum which augments the website.
Simple mistake by GeminiFan1991 - easily made.
Sorry - I should've made myself clearer - I was looking through my NX fleet list, and just making a few changes for recent transfers and just having a look through the Scanias list, so noticed 1905 and co. Usually like to have a guess, and 9 times out of 10, get it wrong!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 18, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
Could be for the new Cannock school services
No WN are operatin them
Quote from: Dom on August 19, 2015, 07:37:00 AM
No WN are operatin them
And Walsall, but that is not what 4105 is for
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2015, 08:01:43 AM
And Walsall, but that is not what 4105 is for
Rail replacement, just a guess?
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2015, 08:01:43 AM
And Walsall, but that is not what 4105 is for
What are they for then
@Tony ....
Quote from: Dom on August 19, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
What are they for then @Tony ....
I don't think he is allowed to say yet
4098 YW - withdrawn (actual withdrawal not reserve)
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2015, 09:21:46 AM
4098 YW - withdrawn (actual withdrawal not reserve)
Which buses will replace it on the 49?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on August 19, 2015, 09:34:09 AM
Which buses will replace it on the 49?
4104 already transferred in!
4098: has this Volvo suffered major mechanical failure or rtc damage for it to be withdrawn, I,m sure I,ve driven this bus at west brom garage when hockley garage blackheath rota moved in the big garage merry go around of 2002
1949 is now at WB. Just left the bus station on the 49
WN should have two more tridents today as well, although they may be on V so harder to spot
Fleet Numbers
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 10:57:32 AM
Fleet Numbers
Yes there assigned to every bus in the fleet, each bus has a unique fleet number, no other bus is i service with the same fleet number at any one time.
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 11:06:36 AM
Yes there assigned to every bus in the fleet, each bus has a unique fleet number, no other bus is i service with the same fleet number at any one time.
I mean what fleet numners
If I know numbers I post them. I am currently at Stafford rail station in charge of V tickets so haven't got computer access to check. It's two more 41xx ones but there's also another 41xx on loan along with sofa bus4445
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2015, 11:33:29 AM
If I know numbers I post them. I am currently at Stafford rail station in charge of V tickets so haven't got computer access to check. It's two more 41xx ones but there's also another 41xx on loan along with sofa bus4445
4310 is also on there
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
4310 is also on there
4240 and 4246 are also onloan saw them heading to Walsall yesterday.
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 10:57:32 AM
Fleet Numbers
Ever heard of the word 'please' ?
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 12:54:14 PM
Yes Winston
The use it instead of demanding fleet numbers!
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 01:01:44 PM
The use it instead of demanding fleet numbers!
I didn't say I demand it
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 01:03:04 PM
I didn't say I demand it
If you asked 'Are you able to confirm fleetnumbers PLEASE?' you might get a better response in future. Rather than a blunt 'Fleet Numbers'
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 01:03:04 PM
I didn't say I demand it
Yes but manners cost nothing. Same with v fest...
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Yes but manors cost nothing. Same with v fest...
Actually manors cost a bleedin' fortune! Manners on the other hand..
My mate bought a manor and it wasn't that expensive. Mind you, it came in a box marked Hornby.
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2015, 10:54:33 AM
WN should have two more tridents today as well, although they may be on V so harder to spot
4146 was noted on V Fest Shuttles in Wolverhampton today. Maybe its 4145/6?
Not sure when it happened but 1949 is at west brom on 49 service
@WB Think it only started at WB yesterday, again worked the 49. Wonder how many more will transfer over from AG to WB.
Well theres now 5 mercs retired inside the garage so cant be many more to replace surely??
Quote from: WB on August 22, 2015, 03:24:10 PM
Well theres now 5 mercs retired inside the garage so cant be many more to replace surely??
Which are the five, please - if known.... :-[
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2015, 11:33:29 AM
If I know numbers I post them. I am currently at Stafford rail station in charge of V tickets so haven't got computer access to check. It's two more 41xx ones but there's also another 41xx on loan along with sofa bus4445
It is 4146 & 4147 that have transferred BC - WN
4435 has also now moved to Pensnett
Is 4435 out please tony ?
if anyone is looking for 4146 it on WN59
Quote from: jack4325 on August 25, 2015, 09:27:01 AM
if anyone is looking for 4146 it on WN59
Along with the other transfer, 4147 running just infront.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2015, 08:46:08 AM
It is 4146 & 4147 that have transferred BC - WN
4435 has also now moved to Pensnett
So I would imagine BC needs 3 buses to replace 4146/47 and 4435
@Tony ?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 25, 2015, 11:30:53 AM
So I would imagine BC needs 3 buses to replace 4146/47 and 4435 @Tony ?
Think tony said 3 out and 6 in?
Quote from: Chris on August 25, 2015, 11:32:12 AM
Think tony said 3 out and 6 in?
Oh ok thanks
@Chris so has anybody seen any transfered buses on any BC routes today?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 25, 2015, 11:30:53 AM
So I would imagine BC needs 3 buses to replace 4146/47 and 4435 @Tony ?
I assume WA may have lost some E400's for BC to be able to release those 3?
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2015, 12:00:25 PM
I assume WA may have lost some E400's for BC to be able to release those 3?
Would have thought so, but this is still in the school holiday period, so maybe BC can survive 3 buses down untill next week?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 25, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
Would have thought so, but this is still in the school holiday period, so maybe BC can survive 3 buses down untill next week?
Quite possibly, the naming of 4884 after that late 'Ron Morgan' suggests that 4884 at least will be joining BC, no doubt it may be all 13 plate WA examples i.e. 4880-4?
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
Quite possibly, the naming of 4884 after that late 'Ron Morgan' suggests that 4884 at least will be joining BC, no doubt it may be all 13 plate WA examples i.e. 4880-4?
Oh I didnt know that 4884 was being named after Ron. Yes thats a strong indication of it coming to BC and most likely 4880 - 83 too.
I'd imagine WN also get 4141/2 from WA and 4145 from BC? These could see off the last 3 Spectra's.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 25, 2015, 12:15:02 PM
Oh I didnt know that 4884 was being named after Ron. Yes thats a strong indication of it coming to BC and most likely 4880 - 83 too.
@Bham Central Driver I've only seen it posted on here
Quote from: Nathan on August 25, 2015, 12:29:12 PM
I'd imagine WN also get 4141/2 from WA and 4145 from BC? These could see off the last 3 Spectra's.
@Nathan I would think so
One of BCs arrivals is on the 29 today, 2117
Nothing has moved from Walsall yet, but a long list of transfers expected in the next 10 days.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
One of BCs arrivals is on the 29 today, 2117
Nothing has moved from Walsall yet, but a long list of transfers expected in the next 10 days.
Oooh sounds interesting...... :)
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
One of BCs arrivals is on the 29 today, 2117
Nothing has moved from Walsall yet, but a long list of transfers expected in the next 10 days.
I wonder if it would include YW, probably not.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on August 25, 2015, 02:20:28 PM
I wonder if it would include YW, probably not.
Bordesley garage is the only one not involved, although Coventry's will just be buses out of paint everyone knows about
Hmm i wonder what pn will get to see off the mercs tridents, b7s and maybe some scanias
I highly doubt PN would be getting any Scanias. Reckon YW will just get some Tridents or 1905-1907 from PB, with 1896-1899 moving to Walsall to simplify the Scanias number range. The other thing is whether 4733 to 4737 move to YW or WB.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 25, 2015, 02:32:57 PM
I highly doubt PN would be getting any Scanias. Reckon YW will just get some Tridents or 1905-1907 from PB, with 1896-1899 moving to Walsall to simplify the Scanias number range. The other thing is whether 4733 to 4737 move to YW or WB.
4733-4737 could possibly go to WB for the 80.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 25, 2015, 02:32:57 PM
I highly doubt PN would be getting any Scanias. Reckon YW will just get some Tridents or 1905-1907 from PB, with 1896-1899 moving to Walsall to simplify the Scanias number range. The other thing is whether 4733 to 4737 move to YW or WB.
PN got a surplus of tridents. Unless the 120 is going double deck operation. Would be nice to have another type of single decker or more b7s
Quote from: Chris on August 25, 2015, 03:25:16 PM
PN got a surplus of tridents. Unless the 120 is going double deck operation. Would be nice to have another type of single decker or more b7s
Fleet standardisation is the name of the game, keeps things simple & No of types parts to a minimum
4435 now out on 297
I wonder if AG are to gain any more Geminis. No doubt losing a couple more single deckers and Plaxtons.
Quote from: MW on August 25, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
I wonder if AG are to gain any more Geminis. No doubt losing a couple more single deckers and Plaxtons.
I suppose the Enviro 200 MMCs will displace the OmniLinks & B7RLEs but as for the Plaxton's I'm hoping more Geminis come in
Quote from: MW on August 25, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
I wonder if AG are to gain any more Geminis. No doubt losing a couple more single deckers and Plaxtons.
AG are receiving 50 new E200MMC's to replace 49 B7RLE/Omnilinks
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
AG are receiving 50 new E200MMC's to replace 49 B7RLE/Omnilinks
And they are also gaining Geminis to displace Plaxtons...
4042 & 4043 currently at M6 Junction 21 on their way to Dundee
4438 now a pn bus
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2015, 03:50:56 PM
And 4439 should be in your yard
saw 4438 they was putting ticket equipment on it blinds had been programmed
Did you get message I sent you
@Tony
Quote from: karl724223 on August 26, 2015, 03:55:42 PM
saw 4438 they was putting ticket equipment on it blinds had been programmed
Did you get message I sent you @Tony
Yes, Streetdeck I suspect
Quote from: karl724223 on August 26, 2015, 03:55:42 PM
saw 4438 they was putting ticket equipment on it blinds had been programmed
Did you get message I sent you @Tony
@karl724223 I wonder now if PN will have my destinations programmed, if they do the only main difference other than removing some vias and pointless destinations, instead of reading via Russell's Hall Hospital, it will read via Russells Hall Hospital
1933 just left AG with ticket machines and vault removed
Quote from: MW on August 26, 2015, 04:22:12 PM
1933 just left AG with ticket machines and vault removed
To YW
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2015, 08:48:29 AM
4042 & 4043 currently at M6 Junction 21 on their way to Dundee
I know you said these are for paint float Tony, but are these considered a loan or permanent transfer?
Quote from: don on August 26, 2015, 05:48:08 PM
I know you said these are for paint float Tony, but are these considered a loan or permanent transfer?
They are 'NXBus Reserve fleet vehicles' which includes Dundee, the same as the 9 at Miller Street.
4436 is just arriving at Pensnett now
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2015, 03:50:56 PM
And 4439 should be in your yard
Ahh, so that's why I saw 4439 this afternoon heading up to 5 Ways along the 8 route route, then turning off down Hagley Rd.
Maybe I'm getting confused but I thought there were 3 due to leave and 6 due to arrive at BC, but haven't 5 or 6 Tridents left in the last couple of days?
Also, what is BC's ever growing fleet of B7RLEs needed for, other than the 29/A, 58/9 and 98? Are there plans to convert the X64 back to single deck?
Quote from: Mike K on August 26, 2015, 09:35:10 PM
Maybe I'm getting confused but I thought there were 3 due to leave and 6 due to arrive at BC, but haven't 5 or 6 Tridents left in the last couple of days?
Also, what is BC's ever growing fleet of B7RLEs needed for, other than the 29/A, 58/9 and 98? Are there plans to convert the X64 back to single deck?
@Mike K only other routes that could cope with the B7RLE is the 56 and 70. So most likely will be for the 56, 70 or, X64.
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2015, 04:36:33 PM
To YW
Has another one left today, was coming up Westley Road NIS and saw one leaving the garage around half an hour ago, with engineer driving and the ticket machine looked removed? The van was following too. Couldn't get the fleet number.
Wow, I actually got a transfer right for once - did post a little while ago that 1932-19XX would move to YW. Hopefully YW can tidy them up a little.
1932 & 4368 now at YW
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
@Mike K only other routes that could cope with the B7RLE is the 56 and 70. So most likely will be for the 56, 70 or, X64.
I really don't think the 70 could cope, especially at peaks
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 26, 2015, 10:46:31 PM
I really don't think the 70 could cope, especially at peaks
The 70 can cope very quite loads!
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
The 70 can cope very quite loads!
Definitely not from what I've seen. But hey, I don't catch buses anymore, so what do I know
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 26, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
Definitely not from what I've seen. But hey, I don't catch buses anymore, so what do I know
The 55 follows exactly the same route on the busy part of the 70 route and that copes in the peaks
@Sh4318
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2015, 10:58:46 PM
The 55 follows exactly the same route on the busy part of the 70 route and that copes in the peaks @Sh4318
From what I've saw, the 70 has heavy loads to Parkhill Drive whenever I've caught it at peaks. But like I said, I don't use buses anymore so...
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 26, 2015, 11:00:24 PM
From what I've saw, the 70 has heavy loads to Parkhill Drive whenever I've caught it at peaks. But like I said, I don't use buses anymore so...
After the Fox And Goose the 70 starts to get quiet but, I would say it gets heavy loads till the Hunters Moon about 3 minutes on the 70 away from where the 55 turns on to Stechford Lane at the Fox And Goose. But as I said the 55 copes which is a busier route and that copes from what I have so, I do not see why the 70 wouldn't after using them for 10 years
@Sh4318
4042 4043.Now in dundee.
Glad to see 4368 come over to YW :) Assume 4366 and 4367 will be following - allow a President or two to be withdrawn.
4436 now at PN
4878 now at BC
4879 now at BC
As regards the 70 having single decks, have the people saying it could cope, checked all the loads through Coleshill, specially when the Coleshill School starts & finished. Have they checked the loads out of Solihull when the schools & colleges near the town centre start & finish? Thought not. 55 & 94 aren't much use covering those sections.
Even the bit down the Washwood Heath Road, It is alright saying everyone from the Clock Garage could fit on a single deck, but what if the single deck fills with people for the Washwood Heath Road, so people for Water Orton or Coleshill cannot get on a full bus?
Glad to see the baxk of 4878 and 4879! Can't wait for the rest to follow
Yeah the 70 does need double decks - seen myself the loading of it in Solihull when the schools and college finish - very good loads on it which would be a squeeze on a single. The double decks provide a good bit of extra capacity along the 55 and 94 section as well.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 27, 2015, 09:12:52 AM
Glad to see the baxk of 4878 and 4879! Can't wait for the rest to follow
Great! More slow buses for BC, just what you need when you're running late. >:(
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 27, 2015, 12:16:49 PM
Great! More slow buses for BC, just what you need when you're running late. >:(
@Bham Central Driver That is what AVL is for to put you back on time ;D
Although tridents are better :P
Quote from: RS on August 27, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
@Bham Central Driver That is what AVL is for to put you back on time ;D
Although tridents are better :P
Tridents are much better. E400s (well 4895 etc) are so sluggish and the door interlock seems to take an eternity to release. It may only be a few extra seconds, but this can make the difference between getting through a set of trafficlights or not.
4879 is now out on the Pershore Road
Let's face it the 70 will keep getting the scraps from bc because it's a ex lea hall service a bit like the 97 and 94 from pb. Lol
Well hopefully the 94 and 97 (or one of them) will have new buses next year - however East Birmingham has seen some good investment with the MMCs, both 200s and Platinum 400s, refurbished Scanias, refurbished Geminis. Sure if some E400MMCs came next year for the 94/97 the situation will be very good.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 27, 2015, 10:03:11 PM
Let's face it the 70 will keep getting the scraps from bc because it's a ex lea hall service a bit like the 97 and 94 from pb. Lol
ALX400's aren't too bad, not sure where the euro 4's are heading though.
Quote from: Tony on August 27, 2015, 02:51:34 PM
4879 is now out on the Pershore Road
4878 on Bristol Road if I'm told via teletext correctly
2118, 4882 & 4884 now at BC
2112 & 2114 both currently on their way from AG to WN
@Tony are the majority of the moves happening before the summer timetables end?
Quote from: Chris on August 28, 2015, 02:22:01 PM
@Tony are the majority of the moves happening before the summer timetables end?
they end tomorrow
1937 just moved AG to PB
4874; 4875 now at BC
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
4874; 4875 now at BC
For some reason I thought the unbranded ones would have stayed as cover for the 51
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 30, 2015, 08:38:00 AM
For some reason I thought the unbranded ones would have stayed as cover for the 51
WA still have 4869 - 4873 as cover, and 4776.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 30, 2015, 09:54:06 AM
WA still have 4869 - 4873 as cover, and 4776.
Has it been mentioned where 4733 - 4737 are going?
4876 now joined the party at BC as well
4141 now at WN
4873 & 4883 at BC
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2015, 10:36:39 PM
1932 & 4368 now at YW
Incorrect. 4368 still at BC as of yesterday.
Please confirm
@Tony
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 30, 2015, 02:00:29 PM
Incorrect. 4368 still at BC as of yesterday.
Please confirm @Tony
Yes, it went to YW, but is currently back at BC
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
4141 now at WN
4873 & 4883 at BC
I wander what these extra E400s will be used for?
24 and 60 maybe and even Bristol Rd maybe...
Quote from: Tony on August 30, 2015, 02:01:29 PM
Yes, it went to YW, but is currently back at BC
Was on the Bristol Roads yesterday.
4366 & 4367 now at YW
4105 at west brom not sure if its just on loan but its out on the 5 service
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 30, 2015, 11:18:03 AM
Has it been mentioned where 4733 - 4737 are going?
Heard a rumour they was off to Coventry but cant see that myself.
"Apparently" the 53 plate geminis are going to Dundee too.
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2015, 08:40:43 AM
4366 & 4367 now at YW
4368 was still at BC yesterday. Are any more Presidents leaving YW?
And where was the unusual bus on the 6?
@Tony ? Thanks
1947 looking like its being prepared to transfer out.
Quote from: MW on September 02, 2015, 11:59:43 AM
1947 looking like its being prepared to transfer out.
If fleet numbers are anything to go by i'd say 1947 is on its way to west brom
August fleet changes now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2015, 06:24:42 PM
August fleet changes now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
when did 4437 come down pensnett?
Quote from: karl724223 on September 03, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
when did 4437 come down pensnett?
@Tony @karl724223 Was just going to ask that as it hadn't been reported?
Quote from: karl724223 on September 03, 2015, 06:32:19 PM
when did 4437 come down pensnett?
Got carried away with that one, it is on its way soon
4142 now at WN
2109 AG-PN
Seen as I was coming out of school
Quote from: RS on September 08, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
2109 AG-PN
Seen as I was coming out of school
2110 & 2111 also now at Pensnett
are wn getting any more b7rles?
4872 has moved from WA to BC, on the 24 this morning.
2107 now at Pensnett
4151 now at WN on the 126 today
Are any more omin links gonna transfers to west bromI
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 02, 2015, 11:28:40 AM
4368 was still at BC yesterday.
4368 is still at BC, on the Bristol Road today
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2015, 11:24:28 AM
2107 now at Pensnett
4151 now at WN on the 126 today
4150 and 4152 are due soon also. I'd also hazard a guess that 4145 and 4148 will move too
Quote from: Nathan on September 15, 2015, 01:34:36 PM
4150 and 4152 are due soon also. I'd also hazard a guess that 4145 and 4148 will move too
4152 arrived about an hour ago
1947 & 1948 both transferred to WB last night and both on the 45 today
Sounds ominous for the few remaining Benz....
Reserve fleet vehicles 4029 & 4041 have gone to YW / AG respectively as cover for the two accident damaged vehicles
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Reserve fleet vehicles 4029 & 4041 have gone to YW / AG respectively as cover for the two accident damaged vehicles
Sorry if this has been mentioned. Which accident damaged vehicles?
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Reserve fleet vehicles 4029 & 4041 have gone to YW / AG respectively as cover for the two accident damaged vehicles
I assume 4041 was a Sept transfer to reserve, as it's not showing on any previous fleet changes
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 16, 2015, 07:17:54 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned. Which accident damaged vehicles?
I presume 1926/4520
So we've now gained a Plaxton!
I found the one good feature that they have today. That being that keeping the close door button prevents the emergency exit button being pressed from outside. Came is handy on City Road/George Dixon School!
Other than that, terrible.
Quote from: MW on September 16, 2015, 10:49:43 PM
So we've now gained a Plaxton!
I found the one good feature that they have today. That being that keeping the close door button prevents the emergency exit button being pressed from outside. Came is handy on City Road/George Dixon School!
Other than that, terrible.
Our ALX400 B7s also do that. Quite funny watching people trying to let themselves out in traffic and failing miserably. And on both 16/101 I've had people try to let themselves on
Quote from: John on September 17, 2015, 03:24:04 AM
Our ALX400 B7s also do that. Quite funny watching people trying to let themselves out in traffic and failing miserably. And on both 16/101 I've had people try to let themselves on
@John The Tridents have it too, even the 32xx Scanias had it. As soon as they ask to get off anywhere other than a bus stop, my finger is on the close button in case they try it.
Also when a load of kids get off I keep my finger on the door OPEN button, as they try to be clever and shut the doors as they get off and the person behind looks at me in disgust like it's me who's done it!
When we had the Metrobuses, I had someone open the doors and get on at the lights at Navigation St / Hill St on the 61. Once the lights changed to green I crossed over the junction, pulled up and SWITCHED THE ENGINE OFF.
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
Reserve fleet vehicles 4029 & 4041 have gone to YW / AG respectively as cover for the two accident damaged vehicles
I'll stick my neck out again - and list, what I think is the vehicle totals at each garage at the current moment in time. That figure at AG seems a tad high unless some of those Presidents have entered storage. The 41xx Tridents at BC have been trimmed down (with 4218 back at YW) and I presume not all the 4763-75 batch are in service at CV. 4105 appears still to be allocated to Walsall? I've got 4368 at YW [not BC] - I may have been a bit hasty on that one it seems!
Acocks Green, 161*
1934-35/40-46; 2106/8/15-16/20; 2201-50; 4023/31/33-35/37-41/51-52/58-64/66-67/69-71/78/80-82/99-102; 4507-26/4635-79.
Birmingham Central, 215
801-9; 2117-19/21-52; 4145/48/53-89; 4440-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4872-80/82-84/4895-4913/40-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18.
Bordesley, 49
1788-1836.
Coventry, 162 + 1 non-pvc
871-75; 1570-72/79/91/94/1687 Health Buzz/1703; 2153-77; 4203-17/19-24; 4319/96-4424; 4450-54; 4687-96; 4763-75; 4830-42; 4885-94; 4983-95; 6012-21.
Pensnett, 118
823-30/64-70; 1546/73/1630/40-41/43/47/57; 2078-2105/7/9-11; 4190-4202; 4346-54/56-59/4425-39; 6101-22.
Perry Barr, 180
761-64; 1863-77; 1905-7/36-39; 4235-46/51-57/76-91; 4475-4502; 4697; 4777-81; 4799-4815/17-29/43-56; 4914-39; 7019-33.
Walsall, 191
855-60; 1436/47; 1750-73; 1837-62/78-95; 1918; 4105; 4125-33; 4258-64/92-4309/26-32; 4527-34; 4733-37; 4776; 4857-71/81; 6719-58.
West Bromwich, 167 [1653 WB-w not confirmed]
751-60; 810-22/31-39; 1585/89/1607/13/53/95/99; 1947-53; 4044/47-49/53-57/83-87/113-14; 4225-34/47-50/65-75; 4503-6; 4700-17; 4738-62; 4950-82.
Wolverhampton, 202
620/62; 840-54/61-63; 2001-29/59-77/112-14; 4017/20-21; 4134-44/46-47/49-52; 4310-18/20-25; 4535-4609; 5401-09; 5410-21.
Yardley Wood, 137 + 1 preserved
1896-904/9-17/19-33; 3225; 4029/89-97/104/6-7/9; 4218/4333-35/37-40/42-45/60-95; 4698; 4718-32; 6123-48.
Training School, 28
1344-45/49-50/55/68/77/84-86; 1432/34/50; 1462-Static Trainer; 1501/5/8-9/12/14; 1689; 3601; 9023/T0023 (M723 KPD); 9057/A863 (BT57 ENJ);
9315 (P315 DVE); 9951/9959; 9xxx (BX 54 ZWV).
@paulb1973, you missed a garage, DE!
4437 still at BC
Quote from: DavieDD2 on September 17, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
@paulb1973, you missed a garage, DE!
I think it should read something like this:
Xplore Dundee Fleet:
431-435* 731-734; 1774-1787* 2030-2058; 4025-4026/4028/4036/4042-4043/4045-4046/4074/4103/4110-4112/4115-4124; 4680-4686; 5422-5430;
7001-7018; 7067; 7129/7147/7155/7157/7159-7161/7165-7167/7169-7170/7172-7174/7176/7179; 7323; 7345;
7423-Crew Bus
Trainer
1366/7151
Withdrawn:
321-322/7127-7128/7153/7175/7344
Slight correction there.
B10BLEs are:
7155, 7159, 7160, 7161, 7166, 7167, 7169, 7170, 7172, 7173, 7174, 7176, 7179
Quote from: Kiewii on September 17, 2015, 03:12:04 PM
Slight correction there.
B10BLEs are:
7155, 7159, 7160, 7161, 7166, 7167, 7169, 7170, 7172, 7173, 7174, 7176, 7179
Sounds like 7129/7147/7157/7165 have gone, or withdrawn at the very least.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 17, 2015, 03:16:24 PM
Sounds like 7129/7147/7157/7165 have gone, or withdrawn at the very least.
My list was B10BLE's only, 7129 and 7147 are still running
Quote from: Kiewii on September 17, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
My list was B10BLE's only, 7129 and 7147 are still running
Yes, sorry, they are B10L's. I've amended my notes accordingly.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 17, 2015, 02:38:17 PM
I'll stick my neck out again - and list, what I think is the vehicle totals at each garage at the current moment in time. That figure at AG seems a tad high unless some of those Presidents have entered storage. The 41xx Tridents at BC have been trimmed down (with 4218 back at YW) and I presume not all the 4763-75 batch are in service at CV. 4105 appears still to be allocated to Walsall? I've got 4368 at YW [not BC] - I may have been a bit hasty on that one it seems!
Acocks Green, 161*
1934-35/40-46; 2106/8/15-16/20; 2201-50; 4023/31/33-35/37-41/51-52/58-64/66-67/69-71/78/80-82/99-102; 4507-26/4635-79.
Birmingham Central, 215
801-9; 2117-19/21-52; 4145/48/53-89; 4440-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4872-80/82-84/4895-4913/40-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18.
Bordesley, 49
1788-1836.
Coventry, 162 + 1 non-pvc
871-75; 1570-72/79/91/94/1687 Health Buzz/1703; 2153-77; 4203-17/19-24; 4319/96-4424; 4450-54; 4687-96; 4763-75; 4830-42; 4885-94; 4983-95; 6012-21.
Pensnett, 118
823-30/64-70; 1546/73/1630/40-41/43/47/57; 2078-2105/7/9-11; 4190-4202; 4346-54/56-59/4425-39; 6101-22.
Perry Barr, 180
761-64; 1863-77; 1905-7/36-39; 4235-46/51-57/76-91; 4475-4502; 4697; 4777-81; 4799-4815/17-29/43-56; 4914-39; 7019-33.
Walsall, 191
855-60; 1436/47; 1750-73; 1837-62/78-95; 1918; 4105; 4125-33; 4258-64/92-4309/26-32; 4527-34; 4733-37; 4776; 4857-71/81; 6719-58.
West Bromwich, 167 [1653 WB-w not confirmed]
751-60; 810-22/31-39; 1585/89/1607/13/53/95/99; 1947-53; 4044/47-49/53-57/83-87/113-14; 4225-34/47-50/65-75; 4503-6; 4700-17; 4738-62; 4950-82.
Wolverhampton, 202
620/62; 840-54/61-63; 2001-29/59-77/112-14; 4017/20-21; 4134-44/46-47/49-52; 4310-18/20-25; 4535-4609; 5401-09; 5410-21.
Yardley Wood, 137 + 1 preserved
1896-904/9-17/19-33; 3225; 4029/89-97/104/6-7/9; 4218/4333-35/37-40/42-45/60-95; 4698; 4718-32; 6123-48.
Training School, 28
1344-45/49-50/55/68/77/84-86; 1432/34/50; 1462-Static Trainer; 1501/5/8-9/12/14; 1689; 3601; 9023/T0023 (M723 KPD); 9057/A863 (BT57 ENJ);
9315 (P315 DVE); 9951/9959; 9xxx (BX 54 ZWV).
@paulb1973 Your AG allocation is high because you have included the full quantity of 50 x E200MMC's (still circa 10 to be delivered), plus you are also showing actual for what is still left of AG' B7RLE & Omnilink fleet.
Allocation Totals I have are as follows:AG = 152 (includes 2240/1)
BC = 216 (includes 4437, minus 4150)
BY = 49
CV = 163 (includes 1703 which isn't withdrawn yet?, excludes 1687)
DE = 120 (includes 431 only)
PB = 180
PN = 117 (4437 not there)
WA = 195 (189 buses + 6 NX coaches)
WB = 167
WN = 202 (includes 4150)
YW = 137 (includes 4368 which is allocated to YW, but back at BC)
Total NXWM fleet Strength as of today = 1578
Total for NX UK Bus (NXWM & XD) = 1698
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 06:00:35 PM
@paulb1973
Your AG allocation is high because you have included the full quantity of 50 x E200MMC's (still circa 11 to be delivered), plus are also showing actual for what is left of AG' B7RLE & Omnilink fleet.
Allocation Totals I have are as follows:
AG = 151 (includes 2240/1)
BC = 217 (includes 4437)
BY = 49
CV - 163 (includes 1703 which isn't withdrawn yet?, excludes 1687)
DE = 119 (includes 431 only, excludes 7067)
PB = 180
PN = 117 (4437 not there)
WA = 195 (189 buses + 6 NX coaches)
WB = 167
WN = 201
YW = 137 (includes 4368 which is allocated to YW, but back at BC)
Thought it is 10 still to be delivered 2239 and 2242 -2250
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Thought it is 10 still to be delivered 2239 and 2242 -2250
It is, I haven't added the arrival of 2225 to AG quantities
@Winston, why is 7067 excluded?
4150 now in service at WN. On the 59 this afternoon.
Quote from: Kiewii on September 17, 2015, 06:58:15 PM
@Winston, why is 7067 excluded?
Isn't 7067 officially now a trainer and was removed from passenger service? Although it has seen some use since
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 07:12:18 PM
Isn't 7067 officially now a trainer and was removed from passenger service? Although it has seen some use since
Still in normal service, was actually one of the first out the garage on Saturday!
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 07:12:18 PM
Isn't 7067 officially now a trainer and was removed from passenger service? Although it has seen some use since
Passed my window ten minutes ago on the 17, out until 2335
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Still in normal service, was actually one of the first out the garage on Saturday!
I thought I saw on the Dundee forum it was a least for a short period removed from passenger service & due to become a trainer. Post by Jim C maybe?
I think Coventry 1703 is still with us, looking in the Coventry threads (the recent garage open-day) a fleet list was given out seemingly, with 1703 listed.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 17, 2015, 07:27:29 PM
I think Coventry 1703 is still with us, looking in the Coventry threads (the recent garage open-day) a fleet list was given out seemingly, with 1703 listed.
It's been out on the 5 all day today
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 07:19:06 PM
I thought I saw on the Dundee forum it was a least for a short period removed from passenger service & due to become a trainer. Post by Jim C maybe?
It was a trainer for a few days, but returned to normal service after 7138 died
Quote from: Kiewii on September 17, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
It was a trainer for a few days, but returned to normal service after 7138 died
Thought I saw something posted, I thought I'd read it was back in passenger use temporarily
Quote from: Kiewii on September 17, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
It was a trainer for a few days, but returned to normal service after 7138 died
It has had a very clever modification for some time. The bulkhead behind the driver has a large area cut out so the vehicle can be used for driving tests with the examiner sat in the sideways seat behind the driver, but the removed part of the panel was kept and with a couple of little additions can now be clipped back in within a couple of minutes to be used on normal service
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 06:09:26 PM
It is, I haven't added the arrival of 2225 to AG quantities
On those lists I've just assumed 2201-50 were all present at AG - obviously that's not quite the case. Am I right in saying there are 8 NX Coaches [on loan?] at WA numbered 84-91 not 6 examples. At Coventry I make it a total of 163 buses including Health Buzz 1687, a la:
871-75 [5]
1570-72/79/91/94/1703 [7]
1687 [1 non-pcv]
2153-77 [25]
4203-17/19-24/4319/96-4414 [41]
4415-24 [10]
4450-54 [5]
4687-96 [10]
4763-75 [13]
4830-42/85-94/4983-95 [36]
6012-21 [10]
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 17, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
On those lists I've just assumed 2201-50 were all present at AG - obviously that's not quite the case. Am I right in saying there are 8 NX Coaches [on loan?] at WA numbered 84-91 not 6 examples. At Coventry I make it a total of 163 buses including Health Buzz 1687, a la:
871-75 [5]
1570-72/79/91/94/1703 [7]
1687 [1 non-pcv]
2153-77 [25]
4203-17/19-24/4319/96-4414 [41]
4415-24 [10]
4450-54 [5]
4687-96 [10]
4763-75 [13]
4830-42/85-94/4983-95 [36]
6012-21 [10]
There are currently 9 coaches at WA, 6 owned by EYMS and three by NX
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
There are currently 9 coaches at WA, 6 owned by EYMS and three by NX
@paulb1973 You're correct, I still had 1678 is allocated to CV making 8 (which is incorrect)
Haven't 3 of the EYMS been withdrawn now NXWM has 3 of it's own? Only 6 are needed unless any additional work is being taken on
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 08:21:39 PM
@paulb1973 You're correct, I still had 1678 is allocated to CV making 8 (which is incorrect)
Haven't 3 of the EYMS been withdrawn now NXWM has 3 of it's own? Only 6 are needed unless any additional work is being taken on
Not yet
4153; 4154; 4155 now all at WN
4218 now back at BC
4368 now at YW
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
4153; 4154; 4155 now all at WN
4218 now back at BC
4368 now at YW
We seem to have gained alot of Y reg Trident beasts at PL. It does seem like more in than out or is this to cover Amazon work as well as replacements for other types?
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
4153; 4154; 4155 now all at WN
4218 now back at BC
4368 now at YW
Will we get anything in return to cover for loosing 3 buses?
@Tony
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 21, 2015, 02:21:23 PM
Will we get anything in return to cover for loosing 3 buses? @Tony
Replacements always arrive before vehicles leave, these are just what 4872-84 replaced
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 09:03:37 AM
4153; 4154; 4155 now all at WN
4218 now back at BC
4368 now at YW
I don't suppose 4218 will ever return to its initial home! (Coventry)
1942 & 1946 now at WB
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
1942 & 1946 now at WB
Soon to be no mercs left at west brom with these arriving although for some reason we was very short of buses yesterday?
All of 1942-1953 now at WB
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2015, 08:21:52 AM
All of 1942-1953 now at WB
Is 1943/44/45/46/47 out please tony
1936 now at Perry Barr. I think it is on the 52 (I can't remember where I saw it!)
1896 & 1897 have just arrived at Walsall to replace 1436/47
Thought that might happen a month or two ago, with 1932 and co moving over. Perhaps 1905-1907 at PB may move to YW and 1898-1899 move to WA?
Are 1934-35/40-41 still at AG?
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2015, 09:58:11 PM
Are 1934-35/40-41 still at AG?
1934 transferred to YW a week or so ago, 1935 went today, these have released 1896/7. 1940/1 are not needed at their new garage just yet so are covering E200 teething problems at AG
4218 now at Pensnett
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
4218 now at Pensnett
Is it there for good or not as it has gone from YW-BC-PN
If it is out tomorrow tony please can you let me know
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 06:00:47 PM
1896 & 1897 have just arrived at Walsall to replace 1436/47
So they've returned to their original home then!
By the way, is it likely more different types of buses might be concentrated on one or two garages, like the ALX things seem to be split between Walsall & West Bromwich, or will this only happen when numbers start to dwindle, like all remaining B6's moved to Wolves & the remaining B10's went to Walsall?
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
4218 now at Pensnett
That's a slightly strange one, considering the 44** have been moving the PN
Quote from: Dom on October 04, 2015, 10:09:43 PM
That's a slightly strange one, considering the 44** have been moving the PN
4218 the lone ranger
Quote from: Chris on October 04, 2015, 10:13:59 PM
4218 the lone ranger
It's there until Pensnett get their Christmas Present Karl has been mentioning
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Perry Barr, Walsall and West Bromwich all have the Volvo B7TL ALX400
We know, that was his question would they go from being at three garages to two!
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:01:12 PM
1934 transferred to YW a week or so ago, 1935 went today, these have released 1896/7. 1940/1 are not needed at their new garage just yet so are covering E200 teething problems at AG
Presumably 1940-41 are PB, WB or YW bound going by the allocation of their sisters. Once they leave I think AG is left with:
2201-50; 4023/31/33-35/37-41/51-52/58-64/66-67/69-71/78/80-82/99-102; 4507-26/4635-79 (not totally sure about the Presidents remaining) leaving a total of 147 buses.
4218 is a Coventry original - but has moved even further away now.
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:17:17 PM
It's there until Pensnett get their Christmas Present Karl has been mentioning
Wright buses?
Sorry Tony don't think I read it properly before posting.
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:17:17 PM
It's there until Pensnett get their Christmas Present Karl has been mentioning
I wonder if the B5LH demonstrator is due a spell there?
Rumour mill in full circle! Its weird in 10 months Pensnett fleet changed from mercs galore to tridents galore
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
We know, that was his question would they go from being at three garages to two!
4 garages, Not 3 have them! Everyone's forgetting NXC's B7TL/ALX400's 4415-4424
Quote from: don on October 04, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
Or the elusive 4437
Or the 99?
Is 4437 broken atm? 99 most likely. Just got to wait til 15 nov and we will all find out
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:17:17 PM
It's there until Pensnett get their Christmas Present Karl has been mentioning
I hope Santa's feeling generous....
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2015, 10:01:12 PM
1934 transferred to YW a week or so ago, 1935 went today, these have released 1896/7. 1940/1 are not needed at their new garage just yet so are covering E200 teething problems at AG
Teething problems. You can say that again. They seem to be a load of electrical faults. I thought the B7TLs was bad for ABS lights! Alternator has gone on a couple of MMCs already apparently, 2206 being one. Then battery light warnings etc. I think there was 3 breakdowns the other day with one not leaving the garage apparently.
Have AG got 4041 yet?
Is 4105 still at WA or has it gone ? not seen it in ages
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 04, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
Is 4105 still at WA or has it gone ? not seen it in ages
It was out today on the 10/6 circuit i think
@Nathan mentioned it earlier on the walsall thread
Quote from: Chris on October 04, 2015, 11:25:42 PM
It was out today on the 10/6 circuit i think @Nathan mentioned it earlier on the walsall thread
No. It was 4125.
@Tomf1993, 4105 is still at Walsall. I saw it in the engineering bay at Walsall yesterday.
Quote from: Mike K on October 04, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
I wonder if the B5LH demonstrator is due a spell there?
Must say I was thinking this too.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 04, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
No. It was 4125.
@Tomf1993, 4105 is still at Walsall. I saw it in the engineering bay at Walsall yesterday.
Along with 4027/32. These I don't think have been out in service yet though
Quote from: RS on October 04, 2015, 10:05:49 PM
Is it there for good or not as it has gone from YW-BC-PN
If it is out tomorrow tony please can you let me know
@RS X96 - 0935 from Merry Hill
4145 now at WN, out on the 59 today
Reserve fleet 4029 now back at AG as cover for 4520
Quote from: don on October 04, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
Or the elusive 4437
Or the 99?
My guess would be the 99 too, with the 'Christmas Present' being all of BC's E200s ;D
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
My guess would be the 99 too, with the 'Christmas Present' being all of BC's E200s ;D
Christ that's like getting a pair of socks and a lump of coal
@Dom could be some lean mean green machines that was mentioned in somebody's profile...
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 05, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
@Dom could be some lean mean green machines that was mentioned in somebody's profile...
I haven't seen anybody close yet!
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
I haven't seen anybody close yet!
@Tony Can't you give us a clue (apart from the obvious one, It's a bus!!)
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2015, 07:30:50 PM
I haven't seen anybody close yet!
Well it's either new buses or cascades. Either that or the garage is having the painters in.
More double decker volvos? You did say something about non adl products in the west mids soon? Unless that was just for 4798?
@Tony ?
Definitely clue time I think now. Lol.
Citaro demonstrator?
We are all assuming it's going to be something temporary, but if 4218 is to be transferred out once "IT" arrives, doesn't that suggest permenant?
Perhaps PE are going to get some Presidents?
I'd think a little bit more outside of the box......
@X94 the only other thing I can think of last visited pensnett ages ago...
And that's based on certain recent allocations within NX Bus...
4527; 4529; 4533 Walsall - Acocks Green
Whoa since when? They're listed in the September moves. I've not seen them at AG yet, admittedly I've not been in the garage for too long but yeah.
Excellent news. Pretty much confirms the rest will come too giving the transfers aren't in sequential order? I look forward to driving them too :)
I'm going to really think outside the box.. Could pensnett be receiving the Scania omnicity double deckers from PB!?
What about a Volvo B8rle Eclipse 3 Demonstrator ?
This is building up to be such an anti-climax and disappointment.
I reckon it won't even be a Passenger Carrying Vehicle.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 06, 2015, 11:27:10 AM
I reckon it won't even be a Passenger Carrying Vehicle.
It will be their own fire engine
Quote from: Kevin on October 06, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
It will be their own fire engine
Hahahahahaha
Quoted for emphasis
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 05, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
@X94 the only other thing I can think of last visited pensnett ages ago...
And that's based on certain recent allocations within NX Bus...
Wright Streetlite in Crimson? But can't think why unless thought more appropriate for the 99?
@Tony I've noticed the September fleet changes list does not mention any B7RLEs to Dundee or Platinum arrivals at Walsall during the month (I believe 6756 - 6758 arrived & entered service).
Additionally, it also lists 4878 I believe as transferring to BC in August & September, can you confirm one of these is meant to be 4881?
Thanks
4437 now at Pensnett
That leaves Pensnett with a more rounded-looking fleet (number wise) - I've got the total at 115, unless one or both of those Mercs have gone:
823-30/64-70; 1546/1641; 2078-2111; 4190-4202/18; 4346-54/56-59; 4425-39; 6101-22.
Its a similar situation at BC, I'm presuming 4148 has gone to Wolverhampton:
801-9; 2115-52; 4156-89; 4440-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4872-84/95-4913/40-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18. [214]
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 12, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
That leaves Pensnett with a more rounded-looking fleet (number wise) - I've got the total at 115, unless one or both of those Mercs have gone:
823-30/64-70; 1546/1641; 2078-2111; 4190-4202/18; 4346-54/56-59; 4425-39; 6101-22.
Its a similar situation at BC, I'm presuming 4148 has gone to Wolverhampton:
801-9; 2115-52; 4156-89; 4440-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4872-84/95-4913/40-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18. [214]
Yes it is now at WN. It was in service on the 126 yesterday (Sunday)
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 12, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
That leaves Pensnett with a more rounded-looking fleet (number wise) - I've got the total at 115, unless one or both of those Mercs have gone:
823-30/64-70; 1546/1641; 2078-2111; 4190-4202/18; 4346-54/56-59; 4425-39; 6101-22.
Its a similar situation at BC, I'm presuming 4148 has gone to Wolverhampton:
801-9; 2115-52; 4156-89; 4440-49/55-74; 4610-34; 4872-84/95-4913/40-49; 5501-09; 5510-18; 6701-18. [214]
The two Mercs have gone. Last red Merc standing WB 1607 should finish tomorrow.
Yes very tidy batches, I wonder who's done that!
I've just delivered reserve fleet 4024 to Walsall to be used there
I'm wondering if last nights arrival of 4437 means the return of 4218? Or if it's replacement is something else.
Quote from: Dom on October 12, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
I'm wondering if last nights arrival of 4437 means the return of 4218? Or if it's replacement is something else.
I expect Tony can't tell us until after it's happened - however, as the new vehicle allocator seems to have a very tidy way of doing things, and there's currently 99 Tridents shown at BC, moving 4218 back would create an allocation of exactly 100..............
Quote from: don on October 12, 2015, 05:39:24 PM
I expect Tony can't tell us until after it's happened - however, as the new vehicle allocator seems to have a very tidy way of doing things, and there's currently 99 Tridents shown at BC, moving 4218 back would create an allocation of exactly 100..............
4218 is staying at PN for the time being, as it cannot go back to Coventry unless they have an increase in PVR and need an extra bus it is going to be odd man out wherever it is
1941 AG-WB
@Tony can you clarify please as pretty sure i seen it on the 42 this evening
Quote from: RS on October 15, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
1941 AG-WB
@Tony can you clarify please as pretty sure i seen it on the 42 this evening
Yes, only 1940 left at AG
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
Yes, only 1940 left at AG
Thanks
@Tony Was it 1941 i seen in solihull on the 37 yesterday then ?
Quote from: RS on October 15, 2015, 05:34:51 PM
Thanks @Tony
Was it 1941 i seen in solihull on the 37 yesterday then ?
No
Any more President's due to go to WA?
WA 4133 on WN 255 today. Is this a transfer or a loan?
4076 now at Walsall. 4133 long-term loan for Amazon
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 12:49:25 PM
4076 now at Walsall. 4133 long-term loan for Amazon
Tony, there is a pic on Flickr of 4082 at MS looking withdrawn, is that AG - w? You mentioned driving 4065 - has that been revived at Walsall also?
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 12:49:25 PM
4076 now at Walsall. 4133 long-term loan for Amazon
Both WA/WN run Amazon?
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 16, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
Tony, there is a pic on Flickr of 4082 at MS looking withdrawn, is that AG - w? You mentioned driving 4065 - has that been revived at Walsall also?
No there is a photo of 4082 at Miller Street on flikr, looking like 4082 does. It doesn't look withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 12:49:25 PM
4076 now at Walsall. 4133 long-term loan for Amazon
Still only 4105 fit? so its 4 now WA have 4076/4017/4032?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 16, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
Still only 4105 fit? so its 4 now WA have 4076/4017/4032?
5, 4065 too
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 16, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
Still only 4105 fit? so its 4 now WA have 4076/4017/4032?
No, Walsall now have 7 Presidents, I have just delivered 4073 this afternoon
Cheers Tony, any idea when the 6 bar 4105 will be in service? is the presidents to WA just to allow the DD Gemeni like 4534 etc to AG? as the changes on 25 oct only for the Platimum stuff not the normal fleet
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 06:24:45 PM
No, Walsall now have 7 Presidents, I have just delivered 4073 this afternoon
You passed me on Walsall road I was on 4858 waiting to pull out the bus stop but you failed to give way haha
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 16, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
You passed me on Walsall road I was on 4858 waiting to pull out the bus stop but you failed to give way haha
You don't stop halfway up a hill like Tower Hill in a President if you can help it!
I assume its a crap bus you have bought to WA then lol
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 06:48:02 PM
You don't stop halfway up a hill like Tower Hill in a President if you can help it!
Haha it looked like it was maintaining its speed quite well
4082 at MS? No surprises there. It was well known to be the worst President at AG, with regular breakdowns. The latest one was gearbox/gear selector related and it broke down in the middle on the Stratford Rd/Cole Bank junction lol
Quote from: MW on October 16, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
4082 at MS? No surprises there. It was well known to be the worst President at AG, with regular breakdowns. The latest one was gearbox/gear selector related and it broke down in the middle on the Stratford Rd/Cole Bank junction lol
I think it may have had the gearbox from 4079
I assume still more VPs to come? as from the 25/10/2015 WA have 4 running boards on the Amazon route? im not sure why more buses are needed as only two of the running boards are AM buses, and those 2 buses can do two other boards in the PM boards which dont run in the AM like 77/06 or 302/05 for example?
4871 at BC. Not sure if mentioned before, if so sorry in advance.
4072-4082 plaxton presidents b7tls weren't the best batch of this type from my experience, they were painfully slow new. 4079 is this being canabalized for parts, I would have thought there would have been spare gearboxes lying around from various fire damaged ones, not all were engine compartment fires.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 17, 2015, 01:54:23 AM
4871 at BC. Not sure if mentioned before, if so sorry in advance.
Is 4871 a perminant move to BC? was this the one away for engine work? WA already short on E400s for the 10 and from 25 10 2015 some will be required for platinum routes.
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 17, 2015, 05:43:04 PM
Is 4871 a perminant move to BC? was this the one away for engine work? WA already short on E400s for the 10 and from 25 10 2015 some will be required for platinum routes.
Short on E400's for the 10? iirc the 10 is allocated 'deckers' so any type can be used.
Allocation sheets say E400s thats what the controller in the bus station told me.
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 17, 2015, 05:43:04 PM
Is 4871 a perminant move to BC? was this the one away for engine work? WA already short on E400s for the 10 and from 25 10 2015 some will be required for platinum routes.
It was confirmed by Tony a week or so ago that it was awaiting completion of repairs prior to transfer to BC, so is a permanent move.
4041 now actually at YW, just taken it down myself!
Saw a President cross Scott Arms towards Walsall around 1600. Not sure where to put it.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 22, 2015, 06:19:42 PM
Saw a President cross Scott Arms towards Walsall around 1600. Not sure where to put it.
That was me delivering 4068 to Walsall
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2015, 06:20:57 PM
That was me delivering 4068 to Walsall
I thought it may have been you.
4033 AG - WA
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2015, 12:18:53 PM
4033 AG - WA
Ahh this one probably rattles the most. The cab door/assault screen and behind the cab rattles.
Is Walsall 'finishing off ' the Presidents then?
How come we seem to be a 'dumping ground' for soon to be obsolete types, & if not, it feels like it !
Quote from: Westy on October 24, 2015, 10:05:16 PM
Is Walsall 'finishing off ' the Presidents then?
How come we seem to be a 'dumping ground' for soon to be obsolete types, & if not, it feels like it !
I hope so, I've always loved endangered species sneaking into Sutton on the 366 and 377. The Lynx ended their days on the latter, WA's dying Metrobus on the former.
If we can enjoy the knackered 4033 and its ilk to Aldridge then I'll be a happy (near-rampant) bunny 8)
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 25, 2015, 07:25:54 AM
I hope so, I've always loved endangered species sneaking into Sutton on the 366 and 377. The Lynx ended their days on the latter, WA's dying Metrobus on the former.
If we can enjoy the knackered 4033 and its ilk to Aldridge then I'll be a happy (near-rampant) bunny 8)
Seconded! Nice to have them in Wolverhampton too (Sadly I can't include any old route numbers)
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 25, 2015, 09:38:00 AM
Seconded! Nice to have them in Wolverhampton too (Sadly I can't include any old route numbers)
529 springs to mind! When the Y regs got branded for the 51, the 529 got a few more Presidents, as well as (eventually) the ex-Premier 997 Geminis.
Looks like 1937 has moved to WB last night
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
Looks like 1937 has moved to WB last night
And it left Dudle Bus Station NIS about 10 mins ago. not sure why but 4 PCSO both inspectors and centro staff gathering around Stand F
1938 now at WB
4505 now at PB
Quote from: Tony on October 31, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
1938 now at WB
4505 now at PB
4504 also at PB on the 52 and 52A
1571 CV - PN
4202 PN - WN
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
1571 CV - PN
4202 PN - WN
Boss! The super computer has malfunctioned....
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
1571 CV - PN
4202 PN - WN
Wait!!! Just checking, no it's not April Fools day!!!
1571 Now thats guna stick out like a sore thumb in dudley
1571 great, not the last of them at pensnett, more character than e200s I suppose
Presumably WN need another decker at the moment and so when the Mercs are all withdrawn and replaced, 4202 will return to PN
1571 will probably end up on the 276, 243/4, 205 or 297 probably. Will stand out big time!
How many more coming and deckers going I wonder
Quote from: karl724223 on November 06, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
How many more coming and deckers going I wonder
@karl724223 is that a hint that PN are getting all the WN blue ones?
4200 and 4201 to move in the same direction...
What are the deckers needed for at WN?
Quote from: s94 on November 06, 2015, 10:45:21 PM
What are the deckers needed for at WN?
I'm guessing no to cover the Deckers used on Amazon
Quote from: s94 on November 06, 2015, 10:45:21 PM
What are the deckers needed for at WN?
Amazon. Btw, this info is credible. From a WN engineer on Facebook.
Already mentioned in the WN thread that they are getting CVs last 3 Mercs. I wonder if NX will remember to change the ticket price adverts.
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
As it is being posted on Facebook by WN staff, yes it is true. WN will be getting 1571; 1591 & 1594 temporarily
Quote from: S570 on November 06, 2015, 11:56:01 PM
Already mentioned in the WN thread that they are getting CVs last 3 Mercs. I wonder if NX will remember to change the ticket price adverts.
The plans have changed since the it seems. They are on their way to PN
Quote from: Nathan on November 07, 2015, 12:08:29 AM
The plans have changed since the it seems. They are on their way to PN
Aha lol it didn't register at all that they were going to another garage. I did wonder why everyone seemed surprised :P
Saw 1591 and 1594 leave Coventry this afternoon heading for Pensnett, should be there now.
It has been mentiined on Facebook and just been mentioned in another thread so might as well:
4608/4609 WN-BC by the end of the week. These are the two extra buses that were needed due to the 73 transfer to BC
Also,
751/2 will be moving to WN from WB. They are ideal for the 62 which NX have won back from Arriva.
Quote from: Nathan on November 11, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
It has been mentiined on Facebook and just been mentioned in another thread so might as well:
4608/4609 WN-BC by the end of the week. These are the two extra buses that were needed due to the 73 transfer to BC
Also,
751/2 will be moving to WN from WB. They are ideal for the 62 which NX have won back from Arriva.
Any remaining transfers will all have to be done by the weekend due to all the various service changes taking place from Sun 15th
4035 AG - WA on the 301 today
So if 751/752 are going to wolves from west brom what are west brom getting in replacement??
We use every one of these swb e200's everyday and have services which only these and normal e200's can go on. 48's becoming all single deck, 50a/c probably also just single deck... We're already struggling for buses whilst running the metro replacement services so things can only get worse!
Quote from: WB on November 12, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
So if 751/752 are going to wolves from west brom what are west brom getting in replacement??
We use every one of these swb e200's everyday and have services which only these and normal e200's can go on. 48's becoming all single deck, 50a/c probably also just single deck... We're already struggling for buses whilst running the metro replacement services so things can only get worse!
Ex AG Omnilinks? You've already had more than Mercs that needed replacing with 1940 still to follow
Quote from: Winston on November 12, 2015, 09:33:39 AM
Ex AG Omnilinks? You've already had more than Mercs that needed replacing with 1940 still to follow
We've had to put mercs back in service so the omnilinks havent covered everything that we required.
Quote from: WB on November 12, 2015, 09:59:09 AM
We've had to put mercs back in service so the omnilinks havent covered everything that we required.
Only temporarily due to increased work commitments
Quote from: Winston on November 12, 2015, 10:01:49 AM
Only temporarily due to increased work commitments
The four mercs where reinstated to cover the 4 PVR of the Metro replacement, although not obviously used directly on there.
Every garage has its PVR then the same percentage of spares on top if buses are in repaint they have a paint float to cover that on top of the percentage. WB will have the correct number of vehicles for this as will all other garages from Sunday
I'm surprized that 4776 hasn't left Walsall for Coventry.. Will this be an odd one out?
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 12, 2015, 05:18:19 PM
I'm surprized that 4776 hasn't left Walsall for Coventry.. Will this be an odd one out?
Its the taco bus used for private hire
Quote from: Chris on November 12, 2015, 05:31:42 PM
Its the taco bus used for private hire
Oh, Ok.. Learn something new everyday :D Thanks
@Chris
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 12, 2015, 05:42:05 PM
Oh, Ok.. Learn something new everyday :D Thanks @Chris
I remember
@BU07 LGO mentioning it before
Quote from: Chris on November 12, 2015, 06:01:20 PM
I remember @BU07 LGO mentioning it before
4776 is college bus 4737 also has a tacho as does 4128 and possibly 4127?
whats happening with the 47xx geminis? I was under the impression the 47xx enviros was replacing them at wb?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 12, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
whats happening with the 47xx geminis? I was under the impression the 47xx enviros was replacing them at wb?
No
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 12, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
whats happening with the 47xx geminis? I was under the impression the 47xx enviros was replacing them at wb?
They're still needed for regular double decker services (80, 83/89, 127-9), they pretty much replaced the 45**, 46** Gemini duties
Quote from: Chris on November 12, 2015, 05:31:42 PM
Its the taco bus used for private hire
Yum! Tasty!!!!
I wonder if 751 or 752 will be ready to be used on the 62 tomorrow. I doubt they will but would be nice to see it happen.
Quote from: Dom on November 14, 2015, 09:21:23 PM
I wonder if 751 or 752 will be ready to be used on the 62 tomorrow. I doubt they will but would be nice to see it happen.
751 was still in service at west brom today on 47/47A
Quote from: WB on November 14, 2015, 09:26:51 PM
751 was still in service at west brom today on 47/47A
You don't know if 752 was do you? If it wasn't it might be ready for use maybe? The dash layout is the same as LWB isn't it so no training needed.
Quote from: Dom on November 14, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
You don't know if 752 was do you? If it wasn't it might be ready for use maybe? The dash layout is the same as LWB isn't it so no training needed.
Yes the dash is exactly the same. 751 can easily transfer overnight tonight after it finishes it running board (like most other transfers do)
Quote from: Dom on November 14, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
You don't know if 752 was do you? If it wasn't it might be ready for use maybe? The dash layout is the same as LWB isn't it so no training needed.
751 & 752 was both on 47 i got pics of both
Quote from: John on November 14, 2015, 09:37:31 PM
Yes the dash is exactly the same. 751 can easily transfer overnight tonight after it finishes it running board (like most other transfers do)
Thought so and true
@John @Nathan It would be nice to have one out tomorrow though considering it will be the main allocation although won't be surprised if a LWB is used. I don't know why but I have a feeling it will be a 86* used.
4608 & 4609 just seen in convoy towards BC going through Horseley Fields.
Quote from: Dom on November 14, 2015, 09:21:23 PM
I wonder if 751 or 752 will be ready to be used on the 62 tomorrow. I doubt they will but would be nice to see it happen.
Both at Park Lane now.
4530 now transferred to AG, but gone straight to paint
4052 AG-WB
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
4052 AG-WB
Would be nice if Walsall could have an original B7 batch new in 2000
4042-4056 whatever s left of that batch
4052 a fresh president to wb look forward to driving it, any more. It's time to move the scrap mercs at west brom getting a bit full at west brom having to leave buses in the drive to the pumps.
1585 still fighting on.
Quote from: 2900 on December 16, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
4052 a fresh president to wb look forward to driving it, any more. It's time to move the scrap mercs at west brom getting a bit full at west brom having to leave buses in the drive to the pumps.
1585 still fighting on.
4052 is a good one in my opinion. They seem to be transferring out the better ones.
Quote from: MW on December 16, 2015, 01:53:17 PM
4052 is a good one in my opinion. They seem to be transferring out the better ones.
I've no idea of the good or bad ones in that sense when I chose the numbers.
It was just chosen on MoT date and the fact WB have some of the numbers close by!
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2015, 01:58:23 PM
I've no idea of the good or bad ones in that sense when I chose the numbers.
It was just chosen on MoT date and the fact WB have some of the numbers close by!
Oh right, that makes sense.
4051 is now also at West Brom. On the 5 today
More fresh blood, all good
4051 is a fast one. It's got quite a reputation at AG as one of the better Plaxtons.
4201 now back at Pensnett
4129 WA - BC currently on the 14
4130 WA - BC currently on the 29
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
4129 WA - BC currently on the 14
4130 WA - BC currently on the 29
Yay! Thanks, nice Christmas present. I love the 41xxs :)
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
4129 WA - BC currently on the 14
4130 WA - BC currently on the 29
Nooooooooooo. :'( Will other WA 41xx's be joining with the others at BC?
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
4129 WA - BC currently on the 14
4130 WA - BC currently on the 29
That was unexpected.
Are these permanent
and WA lose more good stuff :(
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 23, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
That was unexpected.
Are these permanent
Paint cover while the 44xx Tridents go crimson
Sad to see 4130 leaving WA but glad to see the back of 4129.
BC can you take 4305/4306 as well.
2120; 2122 BC - WN
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 10:36:48 AM
2120; 2122 BC - WN
I hope BC have better offering that our original bunch
Quote from: WN on December 30, 2015, 10:39:03 AM
I hope BC have better offering that our original bunch
2120 is the 62mph tacho bus, although may have been reset to 50mph again now
Slightly off topic but I heard that a PN driver drove a mmc 6122 as it apparently has no speedometer doing 80 mph down manor way. I do not believe this to be true. I will delete it as soon as I get an answer
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 10:36:48 AM
2120; 2122 BC - WN
Is anything going in the other direction?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 30, 2015, 10:50:15 AM
Slightly off topic but I heard that a PN driver drove a mmc 6122 as it apparently has no speedometer doing 80 mph down manor way. I do not believe this to be true. I will delete it as soon as I get an answer
Did you really put that?! If a bus has no spedo it shouldn't even be out as it is defective so if the driver has taken it out he could be sacked
Quote from: Nathan on December 30, 2015, 10:51:49 AM
Is anything going in the other direction?
4607 is rumoured on Facebook
Quote from: WN on December 30, 2015, 10:52:34 AM
Did you really put that?! If a bus has no spedo it shouldn't even be out as it is defective so if the driver has taken it out he could be sacked
Just what I heard, don't moan at me. I questioned this as there are speed cameras on manor way and doing x2 the speed surely would get picked up. However he to,d me the speed cameras don't work.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 30, 2015, 10:54:40 AM
Just what I heard, don't moan at me. I questioned this as there are speed cameras on manor way and doing x2 the speed surely would get picked up. However he to,d me the speed cameras don't work.
Question 1: How fast do you think buses actually can go?
The answer (due to speed limiters has been on here a few times (80kph))
Question 2: If there was no speedo, how is it known how fast the bus is going?
4595 now on way WN - BC
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:00:05 AM
Question 1: How fast do you think buses actually can go?
The answer (due to speed limiters has been on here a few times (80kph))
Question 2: If there was no speedo, how is it known how fast the bus is going?
As I said I don't believe it.
Straight swap for previous post!
Why dont Birmingham have there 41s back??
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
4595 now on way WN - BC
wait WTF!!! Why not send 4607? Keeps the batch together
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
4595 now on way WN - BC
Why BC stealing WN Tridents? They can have 4154 and 4155 back... Oh, wait, Wolverhampton is a dumping ground as usual...
Quote from: 900 on December 30, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
Why dont Birmingham have there 41s back??
To keep their average fleet back, and maybe to not have the old buses.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2015, 11:21:36 AM
Why BC stealing WN Tridents? They can have 4154 and 4155 back... Oh, wait, Wolverhampton is a dumping ground as usual...
Hang on there, A swap happens where WN gets buses 7 years newer than those it loses and you say WN is the dumping ground?
At least think before you post
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Hang on there, A swap happens where WN gets buses 7 years newer than those it loses and you say WN is the dumping ground?
At least think before you post
Now the spectras have gone and b6s WN have a fairly good fleet age wise? Could anyone do the sums? Or I could do it if u tell me how too?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 30, 2015, 11:31:34 AM
Now the spectras have gone and b6s WN have a fairly good fleet age wise? Could anyone do the sums? Or I could do it if u tell me how too?
Around 8 I'd say.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2015, 11:21:36 AM
Why BC stealing WN Tridents? They can have 4154 and 4155 back... Oh, wait, Wolverhampton is a dumping ground as usual...
WN is a dumping ground? where have all the 15-16 year old Presidents been getting sent lately?... not WN!!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 30, 2015, 11:43:58 AM
WN is a dumping ground? where have all the 15-16 year old Presidents been getting sent lately?... not WN!!
You seem to have a short memory.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
You seem to have a short memory.
I think DD2 is referring to a lot of vehicles that have arrived at his local garage through the whole of this year and has quite a good memory
And Tony should know, he drove quite a few of them up here!
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
I think DD2 is referring to a lot of vehicles that have arrived at his local garage through the whole of this year and has quite a good memory
Yeah look at Dundee! They still have b10s
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 30, 2015, 11:55:40 AM
Yeah look at Dundee! They still have b10s
Not after this week they won't.
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
I think DD2 is referring to a lot of vehicles that have arrived at his local garage through the whole of this year and has quite a good memory
I was not talking about Walsall Garage. Wolverhampton had batches of Spectras, B6s, and Mercs. Recently they have received a batch of 41xx Tridents. Drivers I spoken to disliked them. They often tell me Wolverhampton is a dumping ground which I would agree if I look at it objectively. People gang on me, it's very welcoming.
Quote from: WN on December 30, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
wait WTF!!! Why not send 4607? Keeps the batch together
I assume that will mean 4596-4607 will eventually make their way to
WN BC even
Also potentially 2115-2119 & 2121 may well follow BC-WN in due course
Quote from: Winston on December 30, 2015, 12:09:21 PM
I assume that will mean 4596-4607 will eventually make their way to WN BC even
Thus de-branding the 529
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2015, 12:08:01 PM
I was not talking about Walsall Garage. Wolverhampton had batches of Spectras, B6s, and Mercs. Recently they have received a batch of 41xx Tridents. Drivers I spoken to disliked them. They often tell me Wolverhampton is a dumping ground which I would agree if I look at it objectively. People gang on me, it's very welcoming.
I wasn't talking about Walsall either DavieDD2's local garage is Dundee which has by far the oldest average age
WN is not the oldest average age in the West Midlands either.
Perry Barr and Bordesley are the only garages without either presidents or 41xx Tridents, and Bordesley has no buses less than 8 years old so hardley gets special treatment either
All this talk of WN being a 'dumping ground' because BC gets rid of two 3 year old buses and gains one 11 year old bus. Lets not forget BC have gained 4129 and 4130, although maybe temporary.
BC still operate a number of 41xx Tridents which are often the oldest buses operating in Birmingham City Centre.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on December 30, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
All this talk of WN being a 'dumping ground' because BC gets rid of two 3 year old buses and gains one 11 year old bus. Lets not forget BC have gained 4129 and 4130, although maybe temporary.
BC still operate a number of 41xx Tridents which are often the oldest buses operating in Birmingham City Centre.
Correct
No-where is the 'dumping ground'
I get a request to move vehicles for various reasons and just work out the easiest/cheapest possible solution
I would prefer to have a garage of old buses from a bus enthusiasts point of view. I'm sure many others will agree, certainly
@Liverpool Street
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 30, 2015, 02:40:28 PM
I would prefer to have a garage of old buses from a bus enthusiasts point of view. I'm sure many others will agree, certainly @Liverpool Street
Older the better!
@Trident 4194
Oh for the days when Tayside's depot was full of the glorious Volvo Ailsas... :)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 30, 2015, 03:16:12 PM
Older the better! @Trident 4194
Definitely! Whilst the MMC's are the easiest and nicest to drive I hate them, so boring!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 30, 2015, 04:23:14 PM
Oh for the days when Tayside's depot was full of the glorious Volvo Ailsas... :)
I have just finished reading a bo0ok about the Volvo Aisla (And Citybus) by Stewart Wilson. I got it for a bargain £6.99 at the Works book shop. Really interesting read about its development and the operators who bought both vehicles. I didn't realise that at one point ijn the early 80s West Midlands were interested in buying some more (prob 'W' reg era) but were prevented by the county council. I have never been on one but the book describes them being very noisy for the passenger because of where the engine was. Any drivers/ passengers who did drive or go on them, what were they like? I have driven Metrobuses and Olympians from similar eras, were they similar to drive or very different?
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2015, 11:02:15 AM
4595 now on way WN - BC
I know I said this a few weeks back, but 29 going double deck perhaps?
Years ago, Walsall did finish off the Lynxes & years before that, the ex Coventry area Fleetlines, despite not having operated either type for a few years!
Quote from: j789 on December 30, 2015, 05:50:25 PM
I have just finished reading a bo0ok about the Volvo Aisla (And Citybus) by Stewart Wilson. I got it for a bargain £6.99 at the Works book shop. Really interesting read about its development and the operators who bought both vehicles. I didn't realise that at one point ijn the early 80s West Midlands were interested in buying some more (prob 'W' reg era) but were prevented by the county council. I have never been on one but the book describes them being very noisy for the passenger because of where the engine was. Any drivers/ passengers who did drive or go on them, what were they like? I have driven Metrobuses and Olympians from similar eras, were they similar to drive or very different?
The Ailsas were great. I was only a passenger, but they had such character. The alternator drive screamed away, the back axles whined, the engine was not quiet and the gearbox sang away merrily. I think drivers quite liked them as the cab was well laid out and they had power steering which Fleetlines delivered at the same time didn't have. But they were sweatboxes in hot weather. WMPTE fitted them with fans to cool the driver. I was sorry to see them go but you could then ride on them in London - positively bizarre!
2121, 2123 both now at WN
2121 on the 59
2123 on the 11
4596; 4606 now at BC
Quote from: Nathan on December 31, 2015, 04:08:10 PM
Is 2121 a change bus? Didn't see on the 59 earlier.
They both are as they only arrived today!
2121 replaced 4559
Presumably then, as Winston posted, there are at least 13 more Tridents (4595 to 4607) coming into BC, with possibly 2115 to 2127 going the other way? That must be near enough to convert the 29 to DD operation, can't see what other route the influx of Tridents to BC would be needed for.
Quote from: Mike K on December 31, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
Presumably then, as Winston posted, there are at least 13 more Tridents (4595 to 4607) coming into BC, with possibly 2115 to 2127 going the other way? That must be near enough to convert the 29 to DD operation, can't see what other route the influx of Tridents to BC would be needed for.
Not necessarily, hardly going to move 4597-605 with 529 branding applied
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
Not necessarily, hardly going to move 4597-605 with 529 branding applied
Fair enough. Trying to work out which BC route might convert to DD operation
Quote from: Tony on December 31, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
Not necessarily, hardly going to move 4597-605 with 529 branding applied
@Mike K I did say they may move 'eventually' ie to keep blocks of fleet numbers together as current policy.
Quote from: Winston on December 31, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
@Mike K I did say they may move 'eventually' ie to keep blocks of fleet numbers together as current policy.
True, and I may be being too presumptuous. What would be slightly unusual with the consistent blocks of fleet movements of late is the likes of 2122, 2123 moving if those at the start of the batch (2115 onwards) stay put. Unless of course these do move and other earlier 45xx WN Tridents go the other way.
All will be revealed in due course.
4202 back at PN
I was told by an inspector some time ago that BC would like to convert the 58/59 to double deck operation.
Would all the singles being sent to WN make the 32, 33 and maybe the 11 (not sure on the pvr) fully single deck operated
Quote from: Chris on December 31, 2015, 08:32:48 PM
Would all the singles being sent to WN make the 32, 33 and maybe the 11 (not sure on the pvr) fully single deck operated
Not quite.
4607 now at BC out on the 29 today
4265 still at WA tottering around the Alumwell
Quote from: j789 on December 30, 2015, 05:50:25 PM
I have just finished reading a bo0ok about the Volvo Aisla (And Citybus) by Stewart Wilson. I got it for a bargain £6.99 at the Works book shop. Really interesting read about its development and the operators who bought both vehicles. I didn't realise that at one point ijn the early 80s West Midlands were interested in buying some more (prob 'W' reg era) but were prevented by the county council. I have never been on one but the book describes them being very noisy for the passenger because of where the engine was. Any drivers/ passengers who did drive or go on them, what were they like? I have driven Metrobuses and Olympians from similar eras, were they similar to drive or very different?
Rode the entire Sutton fleet many times to and from Birmingham on the 42, 107 and 113 en route to, or more usually from school. After the Dudley/ Oldbury majority moved to Walsall we used to thrash around on the 375/6/7 too, and then in their final summer when the survivors were based at Perry Barr, many desperate leaps were had all over the place. The buses just had so much character - apart from that lovely Alexander styling, the noise they made was awesome. They were great fun, and driven hard they seemed to fly, especially compared to the Fleetlines.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 06, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Rode the entire Sutton fleet many times to and from Birmingham on the 42, 107 and 113 en route to, or more usually from school. After the Dudley/ Oldbury majority moved to Walsall we used to thrash around on the 375/6/7 too, and then in their final summer when the survivors were based at Perry Barr, many desperate leaps were had all over the place. The buses just had so much character - apart from that lovely Alexander styling, the noise they made was awesome. They were great fun, and driven hard they seemed to fly, especially compared to the Fleetlines.
and Perry Barr preferred them on rail replacements. I enjoyed a summer Sunday journey to Leicester from New St on 4776 in May 1985. It did fly - we charged along the M6 and M69 like a wailing banshee!
When the main batch arrived 4527-9 and 4768-87 were allocated to Sutton and 4738-72 at Oldbury. When Sutton closed in Jan 84 4527-9 entered store at PB never to be used again, 4773-87 moved to PB and 4768-72 joined the rest at Oldbury. When Oldbury closed in Jan 86 4738-72 moved to Walsall and in Oct 86 these joined the rest at Perry Barr. 4738-87 were sold to London Transport in 1987.
Oldbury was also the base for a Mk II Ailsa 7053 (TGG386W). This was painted in Metrobus livery during it's stay in 1981. It was GGPTE A10. I remember this being a little more refined and quieter than the Mk I vehicles. I do not know if it was as fast as I caught it on the 87.
More presidents to WA please!!! beautiful buses
Quote from: Busman Jamie on January 09, 2016, 02:06:48 PM
More presidents to WA please!!! beautiful buses
I was never keen on them until I drove 4072 and was really impressed!
i caught that today :) Walsall-Wednesfield... I do prefer 4073 though :)
Quote from: Busman Jamie on January 09, 2016, 09:34:01 PM
i caught that today :) Walsall-Wednesfield... I do prefer 4073 though :)
That's the only one I e drove so far lol
The Amazon services are terminating on the 16th (I'm led to believe) so the Plaxtons may be potentially leaving WA
Do the Amazon services go out to tender again(& picked up by another operator!) or is that it?
How far is Amazon from Rugeley train station?
(I'd ask my second cousin, but I only see him once in a blue moon)
I dont think so, the bus service only started when more and more people started to get employed (From September) for the Christmas peak time and with most gone and the PVR for the services reduced again its time for it to stop.
Being an employee I've heard that this year more people are coming from the West Midlands area so if the loadings are high enough, NX will continue to run it as their is no profit for them to run buses on a loss. 1 driver stated the 16th last week and this has been confirmed by agency staff at Amazon.
Their are 2 train stations in Rugeley (Rugeley Town & Trent Valley) both are give or take 30 minute walks
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 09, 2016, 10:35:25 PM
I dont think so, the bus service only started when more and more people started to get employed (From September) for the Christmas peak time and with most gone and the PVR for the services reduced again its time for it to stop.
Being an employee I've heard that this year more people are coming from the West Midlands area so if the loadings are high enough, NX will continue to run it as their is no profit for them to run buses on a loss. 1 driver stated the 16th last week and this has been confirmed by agency staff at Amazon.
Their are 2 train stations in Rugeley (Rugeley Town & Trent Valley) both are give or take 30 minute walks
I do hope non of your colleagues plan to freeload on the trains on a permanent basis, their conduct over these last couple of months has been an utter disgrace to Amazon and a total nuisance to law abiding and fare paying passengers who in many cases have been unable to travel. Amazon appear to be completely disinterested in the problem.
Quote from: andy41 on January 09, 2016, 11:39:47 PM
I do hope non of your colleagues plan to freeload on the trains on a permanent basis, their conduct over these last couple of months has been an utter disgrace to Amazon and a total nuisance to law abiding and fare paying passengers who in many cases have been unable to travel. Amazon appear to be completely disinterested in the problem.
Thankfully many of them have been struck off, when a bus arrives, people barge of like dogs and some have been uncomfortable in the environment and I can only praise the drivers who have to put up with. I've seen crap such as not getting back so the driver can pull up onto the pavement and people using invalid tickets. The A51 seems OK as it arrives before the end of shift so people can load on slowly.
4265 moved WA-WB last night
They are no outstanding transfers to complete at the moment
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2016, 10:44:38 AM
4265 moved WA-WB last night
They are no outstanding transfers to complete at the moment
First transfer to happen since 4265 is 4031 AG-WA last night
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2016, 08:47:58 AM
First transfer to happen since 4265 is 4031 AG-WA last night
I'm assuming you meant WB -WA !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 08, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
I'm assuming you meant WB -WA !
No, what Tony's posted is correct, 4265 was already at WA prior to moving back to WB
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 08, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
I'm assuming you meant WB -WA !
See fleetlist. 4031 was at AG before it moved to WA.
My apologies, I mis-read the comment as 4265 being at AG !
Using Tony's earlier garage allocation list style.
Walsall should now look like this:
6 E200 (854-60)
47 Scania (1837-62/78-97; 1918)
24 B7RLE (1750-73)
12 President (4024/7/31-3/5/65/8/72-3/6/105)
18 Trident (4125-8/31-32; 4305-9; 4326-32)
20 B7/ALX (4258-64/92-304)
20 E400 (4733-7/76; 4857-70)
40 E400MMC (6719-58)
___
187
And Acocks Green this:
50 E200MMC (2201-50)
27 Presidents (4023/9/4/7-40/58-64/66-7/69-71/8/80-2/99-102)
72 Gemini (4507-19/21-34; 4635-79)
___
149
@paulb1973 - the WA allocation is missing the 6 x NX liveried Levante
(Yes, not forgetting the six NX coaches - although I was aware of them)
4099 AG to YW
Presumably each garage which is having refurbs (PB, BC, WB currently) have a number of vehicles as paint float to allow 4 or 5 buses at a time to be dealt with?
Quote from: don on March 12, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
Presumably each garage which is having refurbs (PB, BC, WB currently) have a number of vehicles as paint float to allow 4 or 5 buses at a time to be dealt with?
Yes, that will be correct
4076 Walsall-Dundee
Won't make the trip 'up North' for a couple of weeks as it is going to be tidied up first. It won't run from Walsall garage again though
Is this as cover to allow our repaints to start again Tony?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on March 14, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Is this as cover to allow our repaints to start again Tony?
It is
@Tony, will you be taking it up North yourself? Is this one limited to 42?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 15, 2016, 01:59:28 PM
@Tony, will you be taking it up North yourself? Is this one limited to 42?
There all limited to 44 aren't they. I did have 4023 a few times and I'm sure even that one was limited to 44.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 15, 2016, 01:59:28 PM
@Tony, will you be taking it up North yourself? Is this one limited to 42?
I thought buses were limited to 50 with Walsall Platinums being limited at 60, what can a Plaxton achieve without the limit
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 15, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
I thought buses were limited to 50 with Walsall Platinums being limited at 60, what can a Plaxton achieve without the limit
I've done 55 in a Gemini on the Perry Barr flyovers/underpasses, and on Small Heath highway. Shot past a few Platinums lol.
That's going to be some journey if the President can only do 42 mph,
AA route planner says WA to Dundee is 350 miles, which at 42 mph which according to my calculator would take 8.33 hours.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 15, 2016, 06:42:31 PM
That's going to be some journey if the President can only do 42 mph,
AA route planner says WA to Dundee is 350 miles, which at 42 mph which according to my calculator would take 8.33 hours.
Done it once already
M6, M74, A9, A92. Wouldn't it be possible to remove the restricter and replace it once it's up here?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 15, 2016, 07:07:37 PM
Can you do it in a day @Tony ?
Yes, your calculation is about right.
And to confirm comments on another thread, yes 4063 is now a Walsall bus. I have my own bus this week, 6148, which is also currently running out of Walsall, it will be returned to Yardley Wood Saturday afternoon when I have finished with it. Lack of updates on the main site is due to me doing 15 hour days with it. Yes, it is legal as I have an 11 hour break which means I have taken over 1000 photographs this week so expect some mass updates soon
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2016, 09:19:53 AM
And to confirm comments on another thread, yes 4063 is now a Walsall bus. I have my own bus this week, 6148, which is also currently running out of Walsall, it will be returned to Yardley Wood Saturday afternoon when I have finished with it. Lack of updates on the main site is due to me doing 15 hour days with it. Yes, it is legal as I have an 11 hour break which means I have taken over 1000 photographs this week so expect some mass updates soon
Was that you driving it in Kings Heath around 07:30?
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 18, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
Was that you driving it in Kings Heath around 07:30?
As I have just said that I have got it all week , then yes
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2016, 04:26:16 PM
As I have just said that I have got it all week , then yes
Wasn't sure if it was you, but would've given ya a wave.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 18, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
Was that you driving it in Kings Heath around 07:30?
4 hours later 6148 was at Cheltenham as it was there when we arrived. Had gone by 6.30 though when we left the coach park.
Quote from: paul82 on March 18, 2016, 10:53:08 PM
4 hours later 6148 was at Cheltenham as it was there when we arrived. Had gone by 6.30 though when we left the coach park.
It hadn't I was there until 1930, I took a bus load of security guards down, so had to arrive first and leave last
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2016, 09:19:53 AM
And to confirm comments on another thread, yes 4063 is now a Walsall bus. I have my own bus this week, 6148, which is also currently running out of Walsall, it will be returned to Yardley Wood Saturday afternoon when I have finished with it. Lack of updates on the main site is due to me doing 15 hour days with it. Yes, it is legal as I have an 11 hour break which means I have taken over 1000 photographs this week so expect some mass updates soon
11 hour break? Now that's a split and a half! 4 hour driving?
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2016, 08:23:58 AM
It hadn't I was there until 1930, I took a bus load of security guards down, so had to arrive first and leave last
Did you move or where you parked in the same place all day? My mistake but you should have been fairly easy to spot as there weren't many deckers in the coach park.
Quote from: paul82 on March 19, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
Did you move or where you parked in the same place all day? My mistake but you should have been fairly easy to spot as there weren't many deckers in the coach park.
No never moved all day, yes I was the only decker every day except Friday when the Black Country Tours Atlantean turned up.
Yes
@Liverpool Street , less than 4 hours driving each day, 30 minutes Walsall garage to Edgbaston, the 75 minutes to Cheltenham, and similar return
Quote from: Tony on March 20, 2016, 08:12:21 AM
No never moved all day, yes I was the only decker every day except Friday when the Black Country Tours Atlantean turned up.
Yes @Liverpool Street , less than 4 hours driving each day, 30 minutes Walsall garage to Edgbaston, the 75 minutes to Cheltenham, and similar return
Cushy day
@Tony 7hr 36 pay or did you get a little sweetener?
Transfers happened last night
4125; 4126 WA-BC
2115; 2116 BC -WN
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2016, 07:30:30 AM
Transfers happened last night
4125; 4126 WA-BC
2115; 2116 BC -WN
2115 is on the 2 today
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2016, 07:30:30 AM
Transfers happened last night
4125; 4126 WA-BC
2115; 2116 BC -WN
Yay! still havnt drove 4129 or 4130 and never drove 2115 and 2116, but wont loose any sleep over that!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on April 25, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
Yay! still havnt drove 4129 or 4130 and never drove 2115 and 2116, but wont loose any sleep over that!
I drove 2115 a couple times. Think it was my first Eclipse 2 I drove. Very good for visibility they were. Over the shoulder checks on the nearside when lane merging. I liked them. Especially when you could baffle them into revving high.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on April 25, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
Yay! still havnt drove 4129 or 4130 and never drove 2115 and 2116, but wont loose any sleep over that!
4125 is let very good, it leaks and got stuck in first gear last time I had it!
4126 was much bettrr
1906 PB-YW
Quote from: RS on May 18, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
Was that planned
All transfers are planned, it isn't just someone driving a bus to another garage.
4126 BC - WA
(back home!)
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2016, 11:03:01 AM
4126 BC - WA
(back home!)
Very good! ;D Will 4125/29/30 be back to Walsall soon?
4125 maybe heading back too because I passed it at Scott Arms not long ago heading up to Walsall with an engineer driving
Quote from: John on May 29, 2016, 11:35:02 AM
4125 maybe heading back too because I passed it at Scott Arms not long ago heading up to Walsall with an engineer driving
Yes, 4125 now back home at Walsall as well
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2016, 11:53:48 AM
Yes, 4125 now back home at Walsall as well
So now BC are 2 buses down will anything replace them?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 29, 2016, 12:00:08 PM
So now BC are 2 buses down will anything replace them?
Timetable changes reduce PVR
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2016, 12:01:59 PM
Timetable changes reduce PVR
Oh yes forgot that.
I'm going to ask on the off chance, is 4319 staying put at PN?
Quote from: Nathan on May 29, 2016, 12:50:28 PM
I'm going to ask on the off chance, is 4319 staying put at PN?
Interesting question
@Nathan ,I expected PN to loose it when 3301 arrived, but I think it stayed put because of being a paint spare, however PNs PVR is now -2 with the withdrawl of the 297/A so we will have to see!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 29, 2016, 01:10:21 PM
Interesting question @Nathan ,I expected PN to loose it when 3301 arrived, but I think it stayed put because of being a paint spare, however PNs PVR is now -2 with the withdrawl of the 297/A so we will have to see!
Plus Summer Timetable in place on the 9 and 246 from next week.
And extra bus lost on 129
4027 WA - WB
1905 PB - YW
YW's fourth Crimson Scania
As Nathan has noticed
4319 PN - WN
4190 & 4218 PN - WA (both currently on loan to BC!)
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2016, 03:55:08 PM
4190 & 4218 PN - WA (both currently on loan to BC!)
Are they in service currently?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 24, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Are they in service currently?
Yes, on the cricket shuttles
Ok thought they may have been on 61/63 or something
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 24, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Are they in service currently?
Both are on the cricket shuttles.
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2016, 03:55:08 PM
4190 & 4218 PN - WA (both currently on loan to BC!)
Why have they chosen these vehicles? And why have they been transferred?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 24, 2016, 06:25:10 PM
Why have they chosen these vehicles? And why have they been transferred?
Because I wanted to, because buses are moved to meet operational requirememnts
Thought I saw 4190 at Walsall thought it was just visiting
Quote from: B10L1473 on June 24, 2016, 07:28:59 PM
Thought I saw 4190 at Walsall thought it was just visiting
4190 has got to Walsall, but not used there, 4218 has gone direct from PN to BC for the cricket
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2016, 07:36:23 PM
4190 has got to Walsall, but not used there, 4218 has gone direct from PN to BC for the cricket
I'm 90% saw 4190 on the cricket shuttle earlier, might be wrong though
Quote from: Dom on June 24, 2016, 07:37:16 PM
I'm 90% saw 4190 on the cricket shuttle earlier, might be wrong though
Well seeing as it has been reported on there in both this thread a few comments up, and also in the Cricket Shuttles thread, then you probably did!
4565 has now made it to YW.
Quote from: Nathan on June 28, 2016, 01:30:57 PM
4565 has now made it to YW.
Ahh, I get it now, very clever move
Quote from: Nathan on June 28, 2016, 01:30:57 PM
4565 has now made it to YW.
So 4319 has gone to WN, releasing 4565. Then 37 new Platinums to WN, releasing 4566-4594/7-9/4600-05 i.e. 38 more Tridents to Birmingham garages?
That's my guess anyway based on what's happened so far.
Quote from: Mike K on June 28, 2016, 07:23:48 PM
So 4319 has gone to WN, releasing 4565. Then 37 new Platinums to WN, releasing 4566-4594/7-9/4600-05 i.e. 38 more Tridents to Birmingham garages?
That's my guess anyway based on what's happened so far.
Excluding 4593 - the fire victim earlier this year.
Quote from: Mike K on June 28, 2016, 07:23:48 PM
So 4319 has gone to WN, releasing 4565. Then 37 new Platinums to WN, releasing 4566-4594/7-9/4600-05 i.e. 38 more Tridents to Birmingham garages?
That's my guess anyway based on what's happened so far.
It will be a lot more complicated than that. This job would be too easy if it was that simple
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2016, 07:27:07 PM
It will be a lot more complicated than that. This job would be too easy if it was that simple
It was worth a try...
4567 now at YW
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2016, 03:14:17 PM
4567 now at YW
Brilliant bus, I had it on 335 on loan to WA!
4566 now heading down the M6 to YW
I remember when they had 4558-4579 last time around!
Quote from: John Stait on July 01, 2016, 05:08:59 PM
I remember when they had 4558-4579 last time around!
You must be the only person who does, they've been at Wolverhampton since they were purchased.
Quote from: Dom on July 01, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
You must be the only person who does, they've been at Wolverhampton since they were purchased.
He's referring to WMPTE Fleetlines 4558-4579, not Tridents
The last of the first batch of the Leyland engined Fleetlines iirc 4530-4580
Quote from: Dom on July 01, 2016, 06:27:08 PM
You must be the only person who does, they've been at Wolverhampton since they were purchased.
He's definitely not the only one; for us who aren't teenagers there was life before bland generic Dennis / Transbus Tridents. Here's the original 4565 at YW:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8615623@N04/2145415653/in/gallery-67276807@N08-72157633480622602/
Quote from: Mike K on July 01, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
He's definitely not the only one; for us who aren't teenagers there was life before bland generic Dennis / Transbus Tridents. Here's the original 4565 at YW:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8615623@N04/2145415653/in/gallery-67276807@N08-72157633480622602/
Now that's a bus worth photographing!
Back in the good old days, you could actually have a laugh with folk without fear of the sack
Quote from: Mike K on July 01, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
He's definitely not the only one; for us who aren't teenagers there was life before bland generic Dennis / Transbus Tridents. Here's the original 4565 at YW:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8615623@N04/2145415653/in/gallery-67276807@N08-72157633480622602/
Those were the days with some of the best buses in the Wumpty fleet either gardner or Leyland engined and all that diesel exhaust fumes and more character too. These were the buses of my childhood back in the 70 & 80's
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 04, 2016, 03:50:28 PM
Those were the days with some of the best buses in the Wumpty fleet either gardner or Leyland engined and all that diesel exhaust fumes and more character too. These were the buses of my childhood back in the 70 & 80's
The ex-Midland Red D11s and D13s at Sutton, plus Sutton's Volvos, with visiting H- and L-suffixed corporation buses from WB and WA ruled my local routes when I entered my teens, and that will forever be my favourite era, all mysterious and full of arcane history. The first Metros were out - with their Lego-inspired face, and the streets were dominated by Birmingham standard spec Fleetlines.
4189 BC - WA rejoining 4190!
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
4189 BC - WA rejoining 4190!
I thought we were short of buses!
Have we still got 4369 and 4378?
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
4189 BC - WA rejoining 4190!
4189 is on 302 now.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
4189 BC - WA rejoining 4190!
Out on the 301 today. Just left Walsall.
4292 WA to AG
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
4292 WA to AG
3rd type of B7TL for Acocks Green is this to help with the withdrawal of Presidents & are there more to follow
@Tony?
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
4292 WA to AG
Hmm I hope to see one on the 11 soon
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 11, 2016, 05:47:01 PM
Hmm I hope to see one on the 11 soon
I hope they get used all over. I would love to see one on the 1, 11, 31, 37 and 966. Are they suitable for the 5 as well?
Quote from: John on July 11, 2016, 06:03:07 PM
I hope they get used all over. I would love to see one on the 1, 11, 31, 37 and 966. Are they suitable for the 5 as well?
Would assume so if a Plaxton & a Gemini can traverse the route
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 11, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
Would assume so if a Plaxton & a Gemini can traverse the route
Plaxton's cannot traverse the route though, nor can Geminis 4700-17
4292 was nice
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 11, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
4292 was nice
Nice smooth drive when I took it over this afternoon, not as powerful as some on the hills
I drove 1 for the first time today (4258) on 301 and I got to say I loved it, I personally think it drove smoother than some of the scanias
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2016, 08:18:42 PM
Nice smooth drive when I took it over this afternoon, not as powerful as some on the hills
Wait till you take 4302 - presuming you do!? That's terrible up hill. On the 77 it goes up Barr beacon at 15mph
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 11, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
Wait till you take 4202 - presuming you do!? That's terrible up hill. On the 77 it goes up Barr beacon at 15mph
4302?
Yes sorry just edited it!
I don't know the 77 lol, Im on the 4 rota lol was doing 301 as overtime, I've got a trip on the 10 Wednesday, hoping for a president lol
4347 PN - WA
Quote from: John on July 11, 2016, 06:03:07 PM
I hope they get used all over. I would love to see one on the 1, 11, 31, 37 and 966. Are they suitable for the 5 as well?
WB has used them on the 5 for years 8)
4687; 4688 CV - PB
Quote from: Tony on July 17, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
4687; 4688 CV - PB
Nice to see these "unusual" transfers.
Crimson Voith Geminis eh.
Quote from: Tony on July 17, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
4687; 4688 CV - PB
take it the 2 will be painted rd before going g on the rd
Quote from: Tony on July 17, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
4687; 4688 CV - PB
Interesting. I like it a lot. Will anything be going the other way?
ALX400s the other way maybe? Although they'd have to be painted? If it weren't for the emissions thing in Town next year, I would have suggested maybe E400s (Sutton ones due to Platinums coming at some point?) to CV to standardise the fleet a bit.
Quote from: Tony on July 17, 2016, 08:37:33 PM
4687; 4688 CV - PB
I'm told these arrived at Walsall today for repaint?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 17, 2016, 09:24:50 PM
I'm told these arrived at Walsall today for repaint?
Someone has posted a photo of them 2 in the Repaint & Retrims thread
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 17, 2016, 09:35:14 PM
Someone has posted a photo of them 2 in the Repaint & Retrims thread
Yeah I've just seen. Going to be weird seeing these at Perry Barr. Hopefully they'll get onto the Sutton's from time to time.
39 more expected to happen this month
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/700HRC
4687 after dropping off its last Coventry passenger (me!) in Henley Road on Saturday afternoon.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 17, 2016, 08:59:37 PM
take it the 2 will be painted rd before going g on the rd
My thoughts exactly.
Coventry drivers probably be celebrating losing there oddball voith Volvo Geminis ,from what I've read they real slow compared to there zf Volvo Alexander's
39 transfers due to take place soon interesting , I wonder if tridents will come to west brom then with exception of scanias you have an ADL fleet
I think most of those who formally complained that they couldn't reach the ticket machine without bending forward and stated they couldn't see the money placed in the vault have retired or left.
These will make a refreshing change from all the ZF Gemini's be nice to see them occasionally on the 94 with their 4 speed voith gearboxes. I take it these will be the 1st Gemini's at PB to gain Crimson?
Wonder if Coventry will get its first alx400 in the new livery as a replacements for the 2 gemmis going pb
I wonder if Coventry will get some scanias in new livery from Walsall to replace the Geminis?
About time something happened to CVs Geminis. They're awful. A mixture of loud fans, engines that don't idle smoothly, and very rattly. And in the case of 4695, all three.
Caught a crimson Gemini on the 966 a few weeks ago, could believe how smooth and rattle-free it was. I hope these two are done to the same standard.
I can see the kids being kept busy over the school holidays 😂
Quote from: JoNi on July 18, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
I think most of those who formally complained that they couldn't reach the ticket machine without bending forward and stated they couldn't see the money placed in the vault have retired or left.
The eclipse urban are the same
Quote from: karl724223 on July 18, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
I can see the kids being kept busy over the school holidays 😂
Do you have any Pokemon at Pensnett then? :D
Quote from: Stu on July 18, 2016, 08:00:34 PM
Do you have any Pokemon at Pensnett then? :D
no but there's a lot of poke mom going on around pensnett judging by how there breeding on the 222
@Stu
Quote from: JoNi on July 18, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
I think most of those who formally complained that they couldn't reach the ticket machine without bending forward and stated they couldn't see the money placed in the vault have retired or left.
the 4700 Geminis vault ticket machine placement just hopeless I don't even bother with it, I just issue max fares regardless , if the company can't be bothered to place the ticket machine correctly without blocking the sight of the cash Shute it's not the drivers fault is it, it's complete muppetery seriously.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 18, 2016, 12:56:05 PM
Wonder if Coventry will get its first alx400 in the new livery as a replacements for the 2 gemmis going pb
I'd have thought that 4218 and 4202 downwards would be the ones to move over, as they'd be well out of the emissions area and they would slot in perfectly with Coventry's fleet, fleet number wise. - I really hope I'm wrong though! :'(
Quote from: karl724223 on July 18, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
no but there's a lot of poke mom going on around pensnett judging by how there breeding on the 222 @Stu
That's the funniest thing I've read for ages - nice one! ;D
sometime in the future will 1918 be transferring to Yardley wood?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on July 20, 2016, 10:57:54 AM
sometime in the future will 1918 be transferring to Yardley wood?
I very much dought it after it was transferred away after a serious accident
Quote from: John on July 20, 2016, 11:07:22 AM
I very much dought it after it was transferred away after a serious accident
Transferred away after a driver died at the wheel, not a good idea to give it his close colleagues again even though there is/was nothing wrong with the bus.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 19, 2016, 09:25:22 AM
That's the funniest thing I've read for ages - nice one! ;D
Girls running up and down the bus with their phones in the air. The phones message tone goes off. They shout "Two BLUE LINES!" :P
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 20, 2016, 11:42:31 AM
Girls running up and down the bus with their phones in the air. The phones message tone goes off. They shout "Two BLUE LINES!" :P
Like the Jeremy Kyle show - on wheels!
Quote from: Tony on July 20, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
Transferred away after a driver died at the wheel, not a good idea to give it his close colleagues again even though there is/was nothing wrong with the bus.
ok. just curious as YW have 1898-1935 in the K-Series omnilinks closing off 1918.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 20, 2016, 11:46:33 AM
Like the Jeremy Kyle show - on wheels!
Jezza on tour. Hire a 222 branded for the week. Put "Pensnett Poke Mom" on the blinds with "dna tests and lie detectors" scrolling. Karl can drive them about.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 20, 2016, 12:15:22 PM
Jezza on tour. Hire a 222 branded for the week. Put "Pensnett Poke Mom" on the blinds with "dna tests and lie detectors" scrolling. Karl can drive them about.
jezza wouldn't dare set foot on pensnett with a camera crew
Round there they don't celebrate Father's Day either
Saw a banner hanging of a house the other day happy birthday nan 21 today
Quote from: karl724223 on July 20, 2016, 07:43:38 PM
jezza wouldn't dare set foot on pensnett with a camera crew
Round there they don't celebrate Father's Day either
Saw a banner hanging of a house the other day happy birthday nan 21 today
Literally howled with loffter at that - so good I had to share it with colleagues.
Fantastic mate!
Quote from: karl724223 on July 20, 2016, 07:43:38 PM
jezza wouldn't dare set foot on pensnett with a camera crew
Round there they don't celebrate Father's Day either
Saw a banner hanging of a house the other day happy birthday nan 21 today
Hahahahaha I'm having that one haha
Several more of the 39 transfers for July should happen this weekend so watch out for buses at different garage
Also watch out for buses that were branded having their branding removed (4)
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
And if anyone needs photographs or rides on 4712; 4713; 4715 or 4716 I suggest you go and look for them tomorrow, they have very little time left in service in the West Midlands
I'm pretty sure 1861 has has its 4 branding removed
Can I ask when a vehicle is being prepped for Transfer does it go through any internal procedures or is it a case of getting someone to take it over when its no longer required to be used at its former garage.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
Several more of the 39 transfers for July should happen this weekend so watch out for buses at different garage
Also watch out for buses that were branded having their branding removed (4)
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
And if anyone needs photographs or rides on 4712; 4713; 4715 or 4716 I suggest you go and look for them tomorrow, they have very little time left in service in the West Midlands
Would it be 4602-5 being debranded WN-WA?
Or 5 mmcs on 9 debranded
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
Several more of the 39 transfers for July should happen this weekend so watch out for buses at different garage
Also watch out for buses that were branded having their branding removed (4)
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
And if anyone needs photographs or rides on 4712; 4713; 4715 or 4716 I suggest you go and look for them tomorrow, they have very little time left in service in the West Midlands
94 getting branding ::)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 23, 2016, 09:05:19 AM
Or 5 mmcs on 9 debranded
Going to which garage? Because its fairly obvious what is going to happen, since WN are having new buses some of our later Tridents are gonna go, so probably 4605-4602 as suggested
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
Several more of the 39 transfers for July should happen this weekend so watch out for buses at different garage
Also watch out for buses that were branded having their branding removed (4)
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
And if anyone needs photographs or rides on 4712; 4713; 4715 or 4716 I suggest you go and look for them tomorrow, they have very little time left in service in the West Midlands
What about 4714?
Is that staying down here?
(If it is, what's the chance of a photo of both this & the previous 4714, together as that's kept locally at Aston Manor? (
Quote from: filbus1 on July 23, 2016, 05:34:11 AM
Would it be 4602-5 being debranded WN-WA?
That's what I gather it will be. Some transfers are to get new branding too, so don't know if it is these or some other buses transferring shortly
Have any transfers happend yet?
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
Several more of the 39 transfers for July should happen this weekend so watch out for buses at different garage
Also watch out for buses that were branded having their branding removed (4)
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
And if anyone needs photographs or rides on 4712; 4713; 4715 or 4716 I suggest you go and look for them tomorrow, they have very little time left in service in the West Midlands
Any transfers happened yet Tony?
Quote from: BN on July 24, 2016, 06:34:23 PM
Any transfers happened yet Tony?
4602-5 should have happened. Were still at WN this morning.
Quote from: Nathan on July 24, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
4602-5 should have happened. Were still at WN this morning.
4603; 4604; 4605 now all at Walsall
Judging by what is in the fleetlist book that is up to date as of today, 4202 appears to be off to CV.
Quote from: Dom on July 24, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
Judging by what is in the fleetlist book that is up to date as of today, 4202 appears to be off to CV.
ooops, that is a mistake, it isn't!
Quote from: Tony on July 24, 2016, 07:31:48 PM
ooops, that is a mistake, it isn't!
Wasn't sure if it was or not, thought it may of been, thank you for confirming
@Tony
Quote from: Dom on July 24, 2016, 07:36:59 PM
Wasn't sure if it was or not, thought it may of been, thank you for confirming @Tony
As noted by 979 in the WB thread
4095; 4097 YW - WB
Quote from: Tony on July 25, 2016, 08:15:10 PM
As noted by 979 in the WB thread
4095; 4097 YW - WB
4031 now also at WB from WA
Quote from: 979 on July 26, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
4031 now also at WB from WA
On the 83 today, just arrived on Colmore Row
4109 YW>WB
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 07:40:48 PM
Buses currently branded for one route at one garage appearing at another garage branded for a completely different route
Pershore Road branded enviros off to YW for the 18 and branded :D
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 26, 2016, 02:14:22 PM
Pershore Road branded enviros off to YW for the 18 and branded :D
Better still send em to YW and brand them for the 27 (the full route) :)
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on July 26, 2016, 09:13:07 PM
Better still send em to YW and brand them for the 27 (the full route) :)
Free E200's for us all. ;)
4066 AG - WB
4104 YW - WB
4294 WA - AG
Tony, will the Dundee presidents get scraped or sold on when the geminis arrive?.Its just that some of them are still good buses to drive and scraping would seem such a waste.
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
4066 AG - WB
4104 YW - WB
4294 WA - AG
Out on the 5 today. I'm currently on it to Sutton Coldfield.
Quote from: JIM C on July 27, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
Tony, will the Dundee presidents get scraped or sold on when the geminis arrive?.Its just that some of them are still good buses to drive and scraping would seem such a waste.
If they're carefully driven, scraping should be kept to a minimum. ;)
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 28, 2016, 09:26:45 AM
If they're carefully driven, scraping should be kept to a minimum. ;)
Lol, will all presidents end up at WB?
4099 seen on WB 48
What time and where to
@V89MOA ?
Heading to Northfield when I posted it from Sandwell College.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 28, 2016, 09:30:02 AM
Lol, will all presidents end up at WB?
I hope so, from a purely selfish pervspective.
4081,4101,4102 AG - WB
Quote from: RS on July 28, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
4081,4101,4102 AG - WB
These transfers now shift the balance of the fleet from AG to West Brom, although with the YW allocation, south Birmingham still just has the majority.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 28, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
These transfers now shift the balance of the fleet from AG to West Brom, although with the YW allocation, south Birmingham still just has the majority.
What do you mean by shift the balance ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 28, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
What do you mean by shift the balance ?
I think he means that with these next 3 transferring ,Acocks Green has no longer got the most Presidents and that West Brom have now got the most. But there is still more President in the South which includes both AG and YW
Ahh, 4102 was the only decent one out of that list.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 28, 2016, 04:09:43 PM
I think he means that with these next 3 transferring ,Acocks Green has no longer got the most Presidents and that West Brom have now got the most. But there is still more President in the South which includes both AG and YW
Nailed it!
Of the 102 delivered,how many of them are still used in the West Midlands?
Quote from: markcf83 on July 28, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
Of the 102 delivered,how many of them are still used in the West Midlands?
About 65 roughly
Quote from: Dom on July 28, 2016, 05:28:16 PM
About 65 roughly
There's 56 still in service as of today
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
There's 56 still in service as of today
West Bromwich garage seems to be a popular destination for displaced ones currently... I wonder if any will come back from Dundee short term?
Quote from: don on July 28, 2016, 11:10:38 PM
West Bromwich garage seems to be a popular destination for displaced ones currently... I wonder if any will come back from Dundee short term?
could well be yesterday the ex west brom gems should have left yesterday may be a swop occurred at the half way point between brum and Dundee as has happened in the past.
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
There's 56 still in service as of today
Thanks Winston.
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
There's 56 still in service as of today
With 96 platinum buses due, i'd imagine most if not all president transfers are all very temporary.
Quote from: Gareth on July 29, 2016, 10:43:03 AM
With 96 platinum buses due, i'd imagine most if not all president transfers are all very temporary.
I would think so, plus I'd expect to see some early Tridents enter reserve unless any extra work i.e. schools / contract work is found to employ additional buses
Quote from: Winston on July 29, 2016, 10:47:48 AM
I would think so, plus I'd expect to see some early Tridents enter reserve unless any extra work i.e. schools / contract work is found to employ additional buses
Having said that the current changes possibly are in advance of and take account of some new deliveries but as fewer vehicles are required until the schools go back, some can be done now.
I also would expect some Tridents to fall by the wayside but possibly only a limited number - the fact the first 40 or so are at garages receiving new buses shortly also seems to suggest this may be possible (although cascades of some of WNs huge batch of 75 45xx/46xx as well may reduce the scope for withdrawals). Will be interesting to see.
Quote from: Winston on July 29, 2016, 10:47:48 AM
I would think so, plus I'd expect to see some early Tridents enter reserve unless any extra work i.e. schools / contract work is found to employ additional buses
The B7/ALX400s, especially some of our local PB ones, are looking increasingly scruffy - I wondered if the critical mass of the Trident fleet may work against the Volvos, and some of those follow the Presidents into reserve and razorblades.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 29, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
The B7/ALX400s, especially some of our local PB ones, are looking increasingly scruffy - I wondered if the critical mass of the Trident fleet may work against the Volvos, and some of those follow the Presidents into reserve and razorblades.
I would sincerely hope so. The 65 and 67 in particular are a disgrace at the moment, full of the damned things. I bet if somebody looked at the numbers that the 67 has declined since the bendys went and these knackers went on it.
Quote from: andy41 on July 29, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
I would sincerely hope so. The 65 and 67 in particular are a disgrace at the moment, full of the damned things. I bet if somebody looked at the numbers that the 67 has declined since the bendys went and these knackers went on it.
The BK63 Enviros would be perfect for the 65/67 after PB get there Platinums
With the Bristol Road getting Platinum's for 961 or 963 I would of thought that they would gain some of the bk63, don'the know the pvr for the Bristol Road services. What are the ex cv gemini going to be used on?
Quote from: Chris on July 29, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
With the Bristol Road getting Platinum's for 961 or 963 I would of thought that they would gain some of the bk63, don'the know the pvr for the Bristol Road services. What are the ex cv gemini going to be used on?
The two ex CV Gemini's are going to PB after paint, no doubt to release older B7TL/ALX400's from PB
Two deckers transferred to pensnett death row awaiting there turn
Quote from: Winston on July 29, 2016, 01:58:47 PM
The two ex CV Gemini's are going to PB after paint, no doubt to release older B7TL/ALX400's from PB
We're losing two to West Brom when they arrive
Quote from: John on July 29, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
We're losing two to West Brom when they arrive
Some of these may have been mentioned whilst I have been in Dundee, but transfers that have happened over the last two days are
4081 AG - WB
4099 YW - WB
4101 AG - WB
4102 AG - WB
Still outstanding for July are
4093 YW - WB (receiving attention at YW)
4094 YW - WB (receiving attention at YW)
4293 WA - AG (receiving attentionn at Hartshornes)
4235 PB - WB (awaiting 4687)
4236 PB - WB (awaiting 4688)
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2016, 10:01:07 PM
Some of these may have been mentioned whilst I have been in Dundee, but transfers that have happened over the last two days are
4081 AG - WB
4099 YW - WB
4101 AG - WB
4102 AG - WB
Still outstanding for July are
4093 YW - WB (receiving attention at YW)
4094 YW - WB (receiving attention at YW)
4293 WA - AG (receiving attentionn at Hartshornes)
4235 PB - WB (awaiting 4687)
4236 PB - WB (awaiting 4688)
4293 now at AG, 4701; 4702; 4713; 4714; 4715; 4716; 4717 all now off the road
There was a Gemini at the back of Coventry with what looked like damage to the front end, it vanished before I could get a picture - after I spotted a Tow Truck in Pool Meadow heading for the garage. Coincidenental vanishing act or next for transfer?
Probably 4695 broken down again, good luck PB!
Reliably informed it was 4689 towed to Walsall for repair and repaint.
Quote from: JoNi on August 01, 2016, 05:30:09 PM
Reliably informed it was 4689 towed to Walsall for repair and repaint.
Not quite correct, It has gone to Carlyle at Great Bridge for repair
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2016, 03:24:04 PM
4293 now at AG, 4701; 4702; 4713; 4714; 4715; 4716; 4717 all now off the road
while driving around earlier todayI thought the gems were thin on the ground, and major president invasion has occurred.
Quote from: 2900 on August 01, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
while driving around earlier todayI thought the gems were thin on the ground, and major president invasion has occurred.
Keep em!!! 4294 looking refreshing yet weird on the 1 today
Quote from: 2900 on August 01, 2016, 07:25:11 PM
while driving around earlier todayI thought the gems were thin on the ground, and major president invasion has occurred.
There are just three Geminis left available for use, not sure which 3 have been chosen yet, and they are only being used as last resort
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2016, 07:39:40 PM
There are just three Geminis left available for use, not sure which 3 have been chosen yet, and they are only being used as last resort
4700? I saw it today on the Dudley Road services.
4706 out on late night 5.
Quote from: 37351ml on August 01, 2016, 10:48:44 PM
4706 out on late night 5.
Accidentally fell on that from Scott Arse to Slutton. Surely the last one I'll have around here.
For those who wish to take pictures of west broms gemnis they are parked against the back wall at oak road outstation, best time after 9am till 6pm , you,ll get a clean shot of them
They were being moved as I passed on 4M
Quote from: Busman Jamie on August 02, 2016, 01:55:37 PM
They were being moved as I passed on 4M
That was me moving 4701 & 4702 to Miller Street.
4093 now at WB
4235; 4236 PB - WB
Rumours floating around west garage, once the presidents have done there fill in dutys here, a batch of E40D,s will replace them, I wonder if BC garage 10 14 plates would transfer as they is not branded as yet for any route that I know of, it would complete west broms batch of 14 plates, I,d rather they were sent for scrap personally, hateful things to drive.
Quote from: 2900 on August 09, 2016, 09:43:05 AM
Rumours floating around west garage, once the presidents have done there fill in dutys here, a batch of E40D,s will replace them, I wonder if BC garage 10 14 plates would transfer as they is not branded as yet for any route that I know of, it would complete west broms batch of 14 plates, I,d rather they were sent for scrap personally, hateful things to drive.
There are PB's 26 x 63 Plate E400's which will also be available to cascade within PB or some/all could be transferred to another garage, these are being replaced by Platinum's on Sutton Lines
Quote from: 2900 on August 09, 2016, 09:43:05 AM
Rumours floating around west garage, once the presidents have done there fill in dutys here, a batch of E40D,s will replace them, I wonder if BC garage 10 14 plates would transfer as they is not branded as yet for any route that I know of, it would complete west broms batch of 14 plates, I,d rather they were sent for scrap personally, hateful things to drive.
You are more than welcome to 4940 - 49. I would even deliver them to WB personally - on my day off, WITHOUT pay!
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 09, 2016, 12:08:25 PM
You are more than welcome to 4940 - 49. I would even deliver them to WB personally - on my day off, WITHOUT pay!
lol good one , I would even take them Dundee for free or drive them straight into the North Sea
Quote from: 2900 on August 09, 2016, 12:21:35 PM
lol good one , I would even take them Dundee for free or drive them straight into the North Sea
No, don't do that. Think about the pollution to the poor fishes.
A transfer that happened Wednesday, and was in service Thursday, yesterday and today that no-one has noticed
4148 WN-BC
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
A transfer that happened Wednesday, and was in service Thursday, yesterday and today that no-one has noticed
4148 WN-BC
I pressume that one has gone that way becuase of it's Euro 4 engine
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2016, 05:37:29 PM
I pressume that one has gone that way becuase of it's Euro 4 engine
4148 only went back to Wolves last year was it? Can't tell as the Wolves transfer date isn't on its page
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 13, 2016, 06:01:30 PM
4148 only went back to Wolves last year was it? Can't tell as the Wolves transfer date isn't its page
October 2015, I'll add it on tonight
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
October 2015, I'll add it on tonight
Ok cheers Tony I knew it was a recent transfer though I wasn't sure whether it was earlier this year or as it was late last year
Now the new buses coming through the next round of transfers must be soon
Quote from: karl724223 on August 25, 2016, 04:14:12 PM
Now the new buses coming through the next round of transfers must be soon
Might be some tonight
Quote from: karl724223 on August 25, 2016, 04:14:12 PM
Now the new buses coming through the next round of transfers must be soon
There should be a fair few resulting cascades and likely to see off the Presidents, Dundee are now withdrawing theirs as well
841, 844 WN -CV currently at Walsall for blue fronts
Well I didn't see that one coming
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2016, 12:15:58 AM
841, 844 WN -CV currently at Walsall for blue fronts
Wow!! Are these the Gemini replacements?
Bloody hell, wasn't expecting that
Quote from: don on August 26, 2016, 01:12:34 AM
Wow!! Are these the Gemini replacements?
2 of 5 :)
Take pensnett e200s please!!!
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2016, 12:15:58 AM
841, 844 WN -CV currently at Walsall for blue fronts
842 843 also now at Walsall
Wonder what service there are going to be for in Coventry
Cv getting ADL E200s talk about a raw deal, please take west broms as well, hate full contraptions.
Been thinking for a while that CV could do with more singles (based on observations), though my guesses all involved Eclipses.
18/A?
Quote from: S570 on August 26, 2016, 10:43:40 AM
Been thinking for a while that CV could do with more singles (based on observations), though my guesses all involved Eclipses.
18/A?
Could the 7 use the Enviro200s, as some are on there over the summer?
Quote from: John on August 26, 2016, 10:44:57 AM
Could the 7 use the Enviro200s, as some are on there over the summer?
The general consensus in the garage is that the 5 would have them but the managers haven't decided yet.
Ironic the obvious recipient is the 1 which has recently changed hands at recent changes.
The 87 would also be an appropriate route if NX ran it.
Presumably 840 will transfer too at some point - to make up the five.
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 26, 2016, 11:18:34 AM
The general consensus in the garage is that the 5 would have them but the managers haven't decided yet.
Depends which managers you speak too ;D
I understand it has been decided what these will be working on, but as it relates to service changes too, it has not been generally announced I guess. :)
Quote from: D10 on August 26, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
Depends which managers you speak too ;D
I understand it has been decided what these will be working on, but as it relates to service changes too, it has not been generally announced I guess. :)
Correct
4572 WN-YW.
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
And 4574
How can WN spare 6 buses for transfer (4 x E200's & 2 x Tridents) without any Platinum's entering service?
Quote from: Winston on August 29, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
How can WN spare 6 buses for transfer (4 x E200's & 2 x Tridents) without any Platinum's entering service?
Especially if the platinums aren't in service by next Monday when tue pvr rises again.
Quote from: Winston on August 29, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
How can WN spare 6 buses for transfer (4 x E200's & 2 x Tridents) without any Platinum's entering service?
reduced PVR during the school holidays - actually 7 (same number as the 16 plate Platinums); 4148 has gone to BC;
Same as they provided several V Festival buses
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
reduced PVR during the school holidays - actually 7 (same number as the 16 plate Platinums); 4148 has gone to BC;
Same as they provided several V Festival buses
Oh, thought some of the reduced summer Pvr had been taken in account with 4565-7 moving to YW & 4602-5 to WA. Lost track.....
Where are the buses that are being displaced by the arrival of the Platinums at WN heading?
Quote from: twb1979 on August 31, 2016, 03:14:26 PM
Where are the buses that are being displaced by the arrival of the Platinums at WN heading?
There's been a few transfers already. Buses from WN to BC, YW, WA and CV
Saw 4132 on the pumps at BC tonight (1st Sept). Not sure if transfer or not.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 02, 2016, 12:30:37 AM
Saw 4132 on the pumps at BC tonight (1st Sept). Not sure if transfer or not.
I'd have thought that BC wouldn't gain any extra Y-reg Tridents, I expect them to be on the leavers list for BC
Quote from: Winston on September 02, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
I'd have thought that BC wouldn't gain any extra Y-reg Tridents, I expect them to be on the leavers list for BC
Tony confirmed on facebook that 4131 and 4132 have gone to BC
Quote from: Winston on September 02, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
I'd have thought that BC wouldn't gain any extra Y-reg Tridents, I expect them to be on the leavers list for BC
I suppose BC will keep the Y-reg Tridents untill they can no longer be used in the city centre, but from my point of view I like them, so I will welcome 4131 and 4132 with open arms. They are smooth, the heaters are good, they drive nice. They are no slower than an E400, in fact some are quicker pulling away.
As Tony said a few years ago when 4177 was refurbished, most passengers thought the bus was a lot newer than it actually is. They are solidly built and have stood the test of time.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 02, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
Tony confirmed on facebook that 4131 and 4132 have gone to BC
Shows how much I know then.... must surely only be temporary due to next years emissions restrictions
4297, 4298, 4300, and 4301 WA - AG.
4600 WN - WA.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 02, 2016, 02:20:33 PM
4297, 4298, 4300, and 4301 WA - AG.
4600 WN - WA.
WA must of had more than just 4600.
As they've release 6 buses in the last 24hrs i.e. 4131/2 - BC + the aove 4 Volvo/ALX400's.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 02, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
Tony confirmed on facebook that 4131 and 4132 have gone to BC
Wonder if these are early candidates for disposal one BC starts getting new buses.
4131 and 4132 are also only a handful of early generation low-floors that have only ever been allocated to one garage since new.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 02, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
I suppose BC will keep the Y-reg Tridents untill they can no longer be used in the city centre, but from my point of view I like them, so I will welcome 4131 and 4132 with open arms. They are smooth, the heaters are good, they drive nice. They are no slower than an E400, in fact some are quicker pulling away.
As Tony said a few years ago when 4177 was refurbished, most passengers thought the bus was a lot newer than it actually is. They are solidly built and have stood the test of time.
Presumably they will see off the V reg Volvos at Yardley Wood,given they are used on the 18/49-which don't enter the City..
Quote from: markcf83 on September 02, 2016, 03:59:40 PM
Presumably they will see off the V reg Volvos at Yardley Wood,given they are used on the 18/49-which don't enter the City..
YW are having 45** Tridents off WN to replace their President / b7s.
4040 reserve- AG out on the 11c this morning
Quote from: twb1979 on September 02, 2016, 03:47:05 PM
Wonder if these are early candidates for disposal one BC starts getting new buses.
4131 and 4132 are also only a handful of early generation low-floors that have only ever been allocated to one garage since new.
Not quite correct
4132 spent two months at Wolverhampton 11/14 - 1/15
Debranded 4597 is out today on WA8/89.
4094 finally made it to WB out on the 48 today
4572 has just left brum on yw50. I'm assuming this is a transfer as opposed to a loan going by some of the posts above.
Quote from: WMT3000 on September 12, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
4572 has just left brum on yw50. I'm assuming this is a transfer as opposed to a loan going by some of the posts above.
See page 212.
Quote from: Nathan on September 12, 2016, 07:50:30 PM
See page 212.
Whoops. Must have missed that one. Cheers for pointing that out. I'll update my notes accordingly!
Quote from: WMT3000 on September 12, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Whoops. Must have missed that one. Cheers for pointing that out. I'll update my notes accordingly!
According to the fleetlist 4572 & 74 are still at WN not YW even though Tony has said otherwise
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 13, 2016, 02:31:50 PM
According to the fleetlist 4572 & 74 are still at WN not YW even though Tony has said otherwise
They are YW as per quoted fleetchanges. Fleetlist obviously hasn't been updated yet.
Quote from: Winston on September 13, 2016, 02:34:07 PM
They are YW as per quoted fleetchanges. Fleetlist obviously hasn't been updated yet.
I have put a note in the B & E main site page for Tony to read. I was confused as I was sure those 2 had been transferred last month but the fleet list said otherwise
@Winston especially when the guys put 1 or the other was on a YW route ??? :-\
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 13, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
I have put a note in the B & E main site page for Tony to read. I was confused as I was sure those 2 had been transferred last month but the fleet list said otherwise @Winston especially when the guys put 1 or the other was on a YW route ??? :-\
Looks like the fleetlist has been updated, but 4572/4 have been missed.
Have there not been any transfers with WN now having more Platinum's to start upgrading the 126?
Quote from: Winston on September 19, 2016, 09:37:57 PM
Have there not been any transfers with WN now having more Platinum's to start upgrading the 126?
4599 and 4601 were still in use at WN today. Haven't seen 4598 today so don't know if it has moved or not.
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2016, 09:50:00 PM
4599 and 4601 were still in use at WN today. Haven't seen 4598 today so don't know if it has moved or not.
4599 & 4601 both at Walsall today
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 08:39:50 AM
4599 & 4601 both at Walsall today
I wander if anything will come to BC to join 4595 / 96?
840 WN to CV (currently in paint for blue front)
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 02:04:17 PM
840 WN to CV (currently in paint for blue front)
Must say I was expecting that to happen.
4712 WB - reserve (At Walsall for repaint green)
4261 WA - WB
4262 WA - WB
4711 WB - reserve
(4706/10 still in use)
4598 looks to be at WA now
4576; 4577 WN - YW
4569; 4570 WN-YW
4091; 4096 YW - AG
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2016, 05:43:53 PM
4091; 4096 YW - AG
4096 has been on the 11A today. At The Fox And Goose at 08:30.
4089 YW - AG.
On the 11A today. At the Fox And Goose at 07:45.
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2016, 04:28:57 PM
4089 YW - AG.
On the 11A today. At the Fox And Goose at 07:45.
Only a loan
4189 from BC - WA seen yesterday at 15:25PM on the 41
4190 from PN - WA whereabouts unknown
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 05, 2016, 05:35:21 PM
4189 from BC - WA seen yesterday at 15:25PM on the 41
4190 from PN - WA whereabouts unknown
4189 moved in 07/16 and 4190 moved 06/16 as per
@Tony's fleetlist on the main page and it has already been mentioned on this thread around the times they moved
@BusFan94 ::)
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 05, 2016, 05:35:21 PM
4189 from BC - WA seen yesterday at 15:25PM on the 41
4190 from PN - WA whereabouts unknown
4189 has been at Walsall since July 2016. 4190 has been at Walsall since June 2016.
4189 is on 89 today. 4190 was on 301 earlier today iirc.
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 05, 2016, 05:35:21 PM
4189 from BC - WA seen yesterday at 15:25PM on the 41
4190 from PN - WA whereabouts unknown
I thought these had moved a while back.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 05, 2016, 05:41:00 PM
4189 moved in 07/16 and 4190 moved 06/16 as per @Tony's fleetlist on the main page and it has already been mentioned on this thread around the times they moved @BusFan94 ::)
Sorry I didn't realise
There's a brilliant website you can visit, which tells you where each vehicle is currently based and it's history. As well as some nice photos:
http://wmbusphotos.com/default-old.html
;D
4568 WN-YW
4155 WN-WA
4153 transferred from Wolverhampton to Walsall. It's on the 29 today.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 12, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
4153 transferred from Wolverhampton to Walsall. It's on the 29 today.
4152 WN-WA also.
Quote from: Nathan on October 12, 2016, 05:41:06 PM
4152 WN-WA also.
Replacements for 4024 & 4073.
Probably 4024 last day today
4073 heading for the Pensnett top yard
4295 WA-AG, it's on the 1 at the moment.
4915 PB - WB
Not wasting time are they!!!
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2016, 07:11:51 PM
4914 has now moved as well
How long presidents got left then?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 16, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
Not wasting time are they!!!
Better than them sitting around not doing anything
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2016, 07:11:51 PM
4914 has now moved as well
Just passed me on the Dudley Road services (82/87) - i'm on 4109 in the opposite direction. Didn't see this post before then, it did take me by surprise!
4571 now at YW.
I think I saw 4916 on the 87 on Priory Queensway while I was on 2234 (72) waiting at the lights to turn right & left respectively
Seen
@Tony's post in the Buses to Find confirming I saw correctly
Quote from: Nathan on October 18, 2016, 12:12:45 PM
4571 now at YW.
And on an Alderbrook school run this afternoon
4573 seen on the 18 this morning so that has made it across.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 19, 2016, 09:17:53 AM
4573 seen on the 18 this morning so that has made it across.
4565-77 now complete at Yardley Wood
Quote from: filbus1 on October 20, 2016, 07:10:26 AM
4565-77 now complete at Yardley Wood
Did 4575 transfer last night then?
4916 now at west brom , west brom appears to be Gemni free zone soon to be president free as well ,Volvo soon to be rare species ere.
Talking of Volvo is any one still buying them in double deck form with the rise of integral bus from ADL and Wrightbus it seems Volvo losing out.
Quote from: 2900 on October 22, 2016, 01:15:43 AM
4916 now at west brom , west brom appears to be Gemni free zone soon to be president free as well ,Volvo soon to be rare species ere.
Talking of Volvo is any one still buying them in double deck form with the rise of integral bus from ADL and Wrightbus it seems Volvo losing out.
B5LH's are still popular in London. Also recently a batch of open top B5TL's for Edinburgh Sightseeing. But nothing else springs to mind.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 22, 2016, 01:20:20 AM
B5LH's are still popular in London. Also recently a batch of open top B5TL's for Edinburgh Sightseeing. But nothing else springs to mind.
Transdev Harrogate and Lothian have 65 or 15 plate B5TLs and Lothian have 15 plate B5LHs too but seems they are definitely losing sales to the integral Streetdeck.
4937; 4938; 4939 PB - BC last night
none out in service this morning yet
4918 PB - WB
4919 PB - WB
4918 and 4919 are both now in service at WB.
4918 on the 82/87. On the 82 on Livery Street at 16:39.
4919 on the 74. On the Priory Queensway at 16:40.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2118.html
Ok, was not expecting that.
Quote from: clayderman on October 27, 2016, 11:18:55 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2118.html
Ok, was not expecting that.
I've driven that one lol
Quote from: clayderman on October 27, 2016, 11:18:55 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2118.html
Ok, was not expecting that.
Good Riddence to it, let's hope 17 and 19 follow pretty soon.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 02:17:44 AM
Good Riddence to it, let's hope 17 and 19 follow pretty soon.
Do you not like them?
My only gripe with them was that depending on how you sit, the near side mirror view is slightly obstructed by the cab door. Driving wise, they are must better than the E200MMCs. I rememeber the all around visibility being excellent on these (through passenger windows) unlike the Scanias. I think these coupled with the drive of the Scanias would be a very good bus. On Sundays, I used to specifically ask for these when on routes like the 1/5/31/37. On Sundays, the allocation was basically done there and then by an engineer and you can literally take your pick.
Could the 29 (Harborne) possibly being converted to Double Deck operation then, ive seen people talk about overcrowding on that one before?
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 02:17:44 AM
Good Riddence to it, let's hope 17 and 19 follow pretty soon.
I don't get why people complain about the B7s when half the time they can't back it up!
4296 WA - AG this morning
Quote from: Dom on October 28, 2016, 08:27:46 AM
I don't get why people complain about the B7s when half the time they can't back it up!
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day.
@MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day. @MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
So you don't like them because they are single deck buses, how can you complain about them because of where THE COMPANY allocate them, it's hardly the buses fault that they get put on those routes is it? Plus, they haven't got any 'life'. They are starting to develop features like the mercs did and they were far from boring.
I miss the B7's on the 72. As a passenger they are excellent buses. Smooth, comfortable, all round good journey. I'll take them over grandchild of Dart any day!
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day. @MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
I think you'll find it is because they are 'boring' that passengers actually like them.
Passengers generally tend to like a bus where you can hardly hear the engine, accelerates smoothly without throwing them down the bus, and generally goes about its business of transporting them without any unneccesary fuss or noise
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2016, 10:38:48 AM
I think you'll find it is because they are 'boring' that passengers actually like them.
Passengers generally tend to like a bus where you can hardly hear the engine, accelerates smoothly without throwing them down the bus, and generally goes about its business of transporting them without any unneccesary fuss or noise
Great buses. In my experience you can drive one all day and not feel half as tired. Very comfortable for drivers and passengers alike. Power when you need it and very manoeuvrable.
Quote from: AndrewLee on October 28, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
Great buses. In my experience you can drive one all day and not feel half as tired. Very comfortable for drivers and passengers alike. Power when you need it and very manoeuvrable.
I hadn't driven one for over a year, but have been driving lots of E200MMCs back & forth. 2118 just felt solid and like a bus should, excellent steering, excellent vision, much more steady at speed, and a lot more manouverable than an E200MMC
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day. @MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
I personally don't care if I'm on a single Decker that's "Boring" or on a double Decker that's noisy as long as I get to were I need to go on time.
Quote from: 2900 on October 22, 2016, 01:15:43 AM
4916 now at west brom , west brom appears to be Gemni free zone soon to be president free as well ,Volvo soon to be rare species ere.
Talking of Volvo is any one still buying them in double deck form with the rise of integral bus from ADL and Wrightbus it seems Volvo losing out.
51 B5LH/Wright due for Arriva in Liverpool December onwards......
HTH
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day. @MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
They do lack character I suppose, they are a bit boring to me as well to be honest. As for actual bus, they're solid, perfect replacements for the B10Ls/Mercs
Quote from: 2900 on October 22, 2016, 01:15:43 AM
4916 now at west brom , west brom appears to be Gemni free zone soon to be president free as well ,Volvo soon to be rare species ere.
Talking of Volvo is any one still buying them in double deck form with the rise of integral bus from ADL and Wrightbus it seems Volvo losing out.
What route(s) are the ex PB Enviros actually for? They just seem to be used to strengthen Dudley Road and Soho Road services at the moment
Quote from: V89MOA on October 28, 2016, 09:03:42 AM
Take a trip on a peak time 29 or 98 and you'll see why people complain, and just in general they are boring buses anyway with no life in them, give me a trident or a hybrid over one any day. @MW I can't speak from a drivers p.o.v but as an enthusiast I just think they are so drab, I much prefer the earlier version at Walsall.
Speaking as neither an enthusiast or driver, but as a passenger, to be honest I don't care if a bus doesn't have 'any life' in it or is considered 'drab', and the majority of passengers like me just want a bus to turn up and to get them where they want to go.
My one complaint with the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs is that when they get very crowded, the layout of the standing area means there aren't many upright poles to hang onto. But under normal passenger loads, its a decent ride.
If the 29 is getting regularly crowded, I'm sure passengers would much appreciate more double deckers for the extra room, rather than the bus' 'character'.
Quote from: Stu on October 28, 2016, 06:42:19 PM
Speaking as neither an enthusiast or driver, but as a passenger, to be honest I don't care if a bus doesn't have 'any life' in it or is considered 'drab', and the majority of passengers like me just want a bus to turn up and to get them where they want to go.
My one complaint with the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs is that when they get very crowded, the layout of the standing area means there aren't many upright poles to hang onto. But under normal passenger loads, its a decent ride.
If the 29 is getting regularly crowded, I'm sure passengers would much appreciate more double deckers for the extra room, rather than the bus' 'character'.
Hence why 2117/8/9 are being replaced by 4937/8/9
4350 PN - WA sometime tonight
I agree with Stu's analysis above.
If you explain the character of a Merc to someone, they'll just reply "So you like it because it rattles" and so on ...
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 28, 2016, 07:01:30 PM
I agree with Stu's analysis above.
If you explain the character of a Merc to someone, they'll just reply "So you like it because it rattles" and so on ...
Clearly that's an enthusiast's opinion, not taking the passenger's point of view into consideration at all.
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 28, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
Clearly that's an enthusiast's opinion, not taking the passenger's point of view into consideration at all.
Exactly, as I said earlier the vast majority of bus passengers are not enthusiasts. My sister regularly catches the 126 to go meet her boyfriend in Wolverhampton, the other week she commented to me about the 'posh new bus' she travelled on. And she enjoyed her journey, she doesn't care about the merits of a ZF gearbox over a Voith, or whether it 'sounded nicer'.
The Eclipse 2's don't lack character in my opinion. I've got them to rev high whilst driving and they sound the same as the Mk1 Walsall ones. It's just how the ECU/Gearbox is set up to change up as soon as possible. Going up Widney Manor Road on the 5 route towards Solihull they'd rev high.
well, I have to say that if these b7rles 2001 up were as rattle free as their earlier wright bodied predecessors, they are a solid workhorse. you can stick everything else, first choice for me currently would be a b7, both as a passenger and a driver. if set up right, they have a smooth balance of power and stopping ability without effort. a reasonable size engine that's not stressed, with a gearbox that cruises around smoothly. people think just because its not revving its nuts of they are slow - wrong.
Quote from: mranon on October 28, 2016, 10:49:32 PM
well, I have to say that if these b7rles 2001 up were as rattle free as their earlier wright bodied predecessors, they are a solid workhorse. you can stick everything else, first choice for me currently would be a b7, both as a passenger and a driver. if set up right, they have a smooth balance of power and stopping ability without effort. a reasonable size engine that's not stressed, with a gearbox that cruises around smoothly. people think just because its not revving its nuts of they are slow - wrong.
Yeah the B7RLEs are definitely quick. You don't feel a sense of speed because of the lack of revving but they definitely pick up the pace quickly.
Yeah I think the B7RLEs are probably the best single decks in the fleet. The 56 reg versions were always a favourite with drivers and passengers when at AG, and actually still think they were the best buses the 37 has had.
The new versions also a good workhorse and does what it's ask to very well. Smooth and quiet and suspension is decent. When on a smooth road, no rattling, and having sat in one of the cabs, feel a good quality and well setout. The Volvo chassis is naturally strong, and it's a shame that the B8RLE, Wright bodied versions haven't received that much of an uptake. Having been on one, they're another step up. Certainly a far better bus than the Streetlite.
2117 & 2119 also now at Walsall
4302 WA - AG
On the 1 today.
Quote from: 2206 on October 31, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
4302 WA - AG
On the 1 today.
That went a few weeks ago iirc?
Five years this week I've endured B7/Eclipse 2's on my local route(s). To put it simply, some are great, but most are crap. Give me a mk1 or mk2 RLE anyday.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 31, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
That went a few weeks ago iirc?
If it did it wasn't posted on the forum.
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2016, 10:15:28 AM
2117 & 2119 also now at Walsall
Seem to have missed something here.
How come Walsall are getting Eclipse 2's, to go with their Eclipse 1's?
Quote from: Westy on October 31, 2016, 10:39:07 PM
Seem to have missed something here.
How come Walsall are getting Eclipse 2's, to go with their Eclipse 1's?
Nothing unusual. Most garages had MK1 and MK2 metrobuses! 😜
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2016, 10:51:30 PM
Nothing unusual. Most garages had MK1 and MK2 metrobuses! 😜
...if not all garages.
Quote from: Lukeee on October 31, 2016, 11:18:29 PM
Except bordsley green ;)
Then again, isn't Bordesley Green the newest of all NXWM Garages?
Quote from: Westy on October 31, 2016, 10:39:07 PM
Seem to have missed something here.
How come Walsall are getting Eclipse 2's, to go with their Eclipse 1's?
Less need for them at Central? 29 using more deckers by the looks of it
Quote from: Lukeee on October 31, 2016, 11:18:29 PM
Except bordsley green ;)
That is true. I was thinking of the garages at the time of the PTE.
4921 now at West Brom. On the 127/8
Quote from: markcf83 on November 01, 2016, 08:30:14 AM
That is true. I was thinking of the garages at the time of the PTE.
Stour bridge and Oldbury didn't have Mk1 Metros (to the best of my memory!)
Quote from: John Stait on November 02, 2016, 05:09:09 PM
Stour bridge and Oldbury didn't have Mk1 Metros (to the best of my memory!)
If I'm wrong,at least I have an excuse in being originally from the South East. Someone who has more of a recollection of what garages had allocated regarding Metrobuses in the early 1980's might be able to answer about this.
Quote from: markcf83 on November 02, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
If I'm wrong,at least I have an excuse in being originally from the South East. Someone who has more of a recollection of what garages had allocated regarding Metrobuses in the early 1980's might be able to answer about this.
Have a WMPTE fleet book from 1983 and Stourbridge had no MK1 Metrobuses, Hart's Hill had a few at that time (2055-9 & 2141-5)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 02, 2016, 10:34:14 PM
Have a WMPTE fleet book from 1983 and Stourbridge had no MK1 Metrobuses, Hart's Hill had a few at that time (2055-9 & 2141-5)
What about Oldbury? That was the other garage mentioned...
Quote from: markcf83 on November 02, 2016, 11:12:19 PM
What about Oldbury? That was the other garage mentioned...
If I remember correctly Oldbury's first Metrobuses were in the 244x series which were some of the earliest MK2 versions, and they had no MK1s.
In fact I think Stourbridge and Oldbury shared the first 10 MK2s, 2436-2445.
Quote from: Mike K on November 02, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
If I remember correctly Oldbury's first Metrobuses were in the 244x series which were some of the earliest MK2 versions, and they had no MK1s.
In fact I think Stourbridge and Oldbury shared the first 10 MK2s, 2436-2445.
The first Metrobuses allocated to Oldbury were 2646 and 2647 IIRC. As the garage had 30 Ailsas (originally, for screaming.... Literally.... along the 87 route), this was the main allocation so they only had small batches of new Fleetlines until then (6499-6503; 6557/58 - which replaced two ex Midland Red Fleetlines which had collided head on, 6785/6 and 6936-41). They had Metrobuses allocated in twos and I can't remember the other two pairs - 277x and 283x or 284x I think. I don't recall any mk 1s and certainly not from new. 2436-45 were WB originally and 2446-50 Stourbridge - some of these moved to Oldbury from WB and SE later (presumably when SE closed) I don't recall Stourbridge having mk 1 Metrobuses either.
Quote from: Mike K on November 02, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
If I remember correctly Oldbury's first Metrobuses were in the 244x series which were some of the earliest MK2 versions, and they had no MK1s.
In fact I think Stourbridge and Oldbury shared the first 10 MK2s, 2436-2445.
In 1983 2436-45 were allocated to West Brom and 2446-51 to Stourbridge. At that time, Oldbury are not showing any Metrobuses at all.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 02, 2016, 11:59:23 PM
In 1983 2436-45 were allocated to West Brom and 2446-51 to Stourbridge. At that time, Oldbury are not showing any Metrobuses at all.
I thought 2451 was one of Coventry's batch of 18 (2451-2468). What fleet number does your list go to - 2646, 2647, 2777, 2778 and 2841 seem to have been allocated to Oldbury - 2841 was definitely there - it was parked on the garage front having just been delivered when I went to a meeting there - in fact it was remarked on in the meeting that the powers that be had seen fit to give Oldbury a new bus!! The garage closed in 1985 - not long after.
Very grateful for all that gents.
Initial allocations of the 2436-2735 were:-
2436-2445 WB; 2446-2450 SE; 2451-2468 odd S; even H; 2469-2488 CE; 2489-2498 PL; 2499-2513 SN; 2514-2525 WA; 2526-2535 QN; 2536-2540 CE; 2541-2550 CR; 2551-2560 SO; 2561-2570 CE; 2571-2585 LH; 2586-2600 WH; 2601-2610 YW; 2611-2618 odd S; even H; 2619-2621 OY; 2622-2625 WB; 2626-2635 odd S; even H; 2636-2639 CL; 2640-2645 WA; 2646/7 OY; 2648-2652 CR; 2653-2657 HE; 2658-2662 PB; 2663-2666 WB; 2667-2670 WA; 2671-2675 CL; 2676-2678 SN; 2679-2682 QN; 2683-2686 MS; 2687-2690 CR; 2691-2695 PB; 2696-2699 WB; 2700-2702 WA; 2703-2707 HE; 2708/9 SN; 2710-2714 QN; 2715-2717 MS; 2718-2720 WB; 2721-2724 HE; 2725-2727 YW; 2728-2732 QN; 2733-2735 MS
2619-2621 were the first Metrobuses at OY
Quote from: don on November 03, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
I thought 2451 was one of Coventry's batch of 18 (2451-2468). What fleet number does your list go to - 2646, 2647, 2777, 2778 and 2841 seem to have been allocated to Oldbury - 2841 was definitely there - it was parked on the garage front having just been delivered when I went to a meeting there - in fact it was remarked on in the meeting that the powers that be had seen fit to give Oldbury a new bus!! The garage closed in 1985 - not long after.
New to Oldbury I have 2619-2621, 2646/7, 2777/8, 2817/8, 2841
By March 84 2441-2445 had moved to OY from WB
OY closed 1/26/1986 the Metrobuses moved to:
2441 > WA, 2442-5 > CL, 2619 > DY, 2620/1 > WB, 2646/7, 2777/8, 2817/8 > PL, 2841 > WB
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 02, 2016, 11:59:23 PM
In 1983 2436-45 were allocated to West Brom and 2446-51 to Stourbridge. At that time, Oldbury are not showing any Metrobuses at all.
I'll get me coat then.
Quote from: don on November 02, 2016, 11:57:25 PM
6557/58 - which replaced two ex Midland Red Fleetlines which had collided head on
I never knew that, which were the unfortunate lovely Alexander-bodied 6xxx Fleetlines?
Quote from: busfan2847 on November 03, 2016, 02:01:49 AM
Initial allocations of the 2436-2735 were:-
2436-2445 WB; 2446-2450 SE; 2451-2468 odd S; even H; 2469-2488 CE; 2489-2498 PL; 2499-2513 SN; 2514-2525 WA; 2526-2535 QN; 2536-2540 CE; 2541-2550 CR; 2551-2560 SO; 2561-2570 CE; 2571-2585 LH; 2586-2600 WH; 2601-2610 YW; 2611-2618 odd S; even H; 2619-2621 OY; 2622-2625 WB; 2626-2635 odd S; even H; 2636-2639 CL; 2640-2645 WA; 2646/7 OY; 2648-2652 CR; 2653-2657 HE; 2658-2662 PB; 2663-2666 WB; 2667-2670 WA; 2671-2675 CL; 2676-2678 SN; 2679-2682 QN; 2683-2686 MS; 2687-2690 CR; 2691-2695 PB; 2696-2699 WB; 2700-2702 WA; 2703-2707 HE; 2708/9 SN; 2710-2714 QN; 2715-2717 MS; 2718-2720 WB; 2721-2724 HE; 2725-2727 YW; 2728-2732 QN; 2733-2735 MS
2619-2621 were the first Metrobuses at OY
Brilliant. Thanks.
4920 PB - WB
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 03, 2016, 09:55:33 AM
I never knew that, which were the unfortunate lovely Alexander-bodied 6xxx Fleetlines?
If memory serves 6021 & 6269.
Quote from: Tony on November 03, 2016, 11:07:58 AM
4920 PB - WB
Thanks Tony - a slow trickle to WB then!
On the Metrobuses, that's a very comprehensive listing, thanks I was surprised by 2469-2488 as I had thought 2478-2488 were LH, and 2469-2477 were split between CE and QN. Also 2619-2621 at OY (I thought they were at WB originally. As with modern day deliveries there may have been some initial loans for driver familiarisation or other reasons - I've certainly seen a picture of 2469 on the 82 new (QN).
The ex MR Fleetlines were 6021 and 6269 - collided head on mid 1978, at Brandhall I think. The vehicles were parked on the front next to the road at QN for some time.
Quote from: don on November 03, 2016, 11:49:15 AM
Thanks Tony - a slow trickle to WB then!
On the Metrobuses, that's a very comprehensive listing, thanks I was surprised by 2469-2488 as I had thought 2478-2488 were LH, and 2469-2477 were split between CE and QN. Also 2619-2621 at OY (I thought they were at WB originally. As with modern day deliveries there may have been some initial loans for driver familiarisation or other reasons - I've certainly seen a picture of 2469 on the 82 new (QN).
The ex MR Fleetlines were 6021 and 6269 - collided head on mid 1978, at Brandhall I think. The vehicles were parked on the front next to the road at QN for some time.
2469-88 definitely started at Cotteridge, 2474-88 were replaced by 2536-40 and 2561-70 soon afterwards.
Metrobuses were being delivered fitted with tachographs but a decision was taken to discontinue them so tacho-fitted vehicles were distributed around the garages. CE's all had tachos so 15 of the 20 were exchanged. Hence CE kept 2469-73 but 2536-40, intended for CR, were swapped with 2474-8. 2561-70, intended for LH, were swapped for 2479-88.
Quote from: Stevo on November 03, 2016, 05:24:57 PM
Metrobuses were being delivered fitted with tachographs but a decision was taken to discontinue them so tacho-fitted vehicles were distributed around the garages. CE's all had tachos so 15 of the 20 were exchanged. Hence CE kept 2469-73 but 2536-40, intended for CR, were swapped with 2474-8. 2561-70, intended for LH, were swapped for 2479-88.
Apologies for continuing with this off-topic (for current transfers) discussion but it's interesting. Over 30 years ago I'd wondered why on earth there were seemingly random transfers of nearly new like for like buses between garages - so thanks for that Stevo.
Incidentally, 2536-40 were originally intended for QN and at least some were initially delivered there.
4218 WA - CV
Currently in paint having a blue front added
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4218.html
Quote from: Tony on November 03, 2016, 06:20:09 PM
4218 WA - CV
Currently in paint having a blue front added
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4218.html
14 years later... lol
4922/3 PB-WB
Quote from: MW on November 03, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
14 years later... lol
15 years really - the fire damaged occurred around Nov 2001, it left Coventry and never returned.
@Tony it's gone full circle now for 4218...first garage Coventry and now it's back in Coventry after doing a tour of the rest of the Midlands
I'm sure 4218 got hit by a dustcart a couple of years ago by Albert street...quite a history!!
West brom receiving 4914 - ? I,ve read it some where cant find it
4925 now at West Brom, on the 5 today
4935 parked up inside BC at 23:35
Quote from: John on November 09, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
4934 gone too, on the 60 today
Going thick and fast now, wander who will get the most WB or BC?
I must admit the ex PB ones look smarter than ours with the black front and stripe, but they are the same as ours for slowness.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 09, 2016, 03:56:34 PM
Going thick and fast now, wander who will get the most WB or BC?
I must admit the ex PB ones look smarter than ours with the black front and stripe, but they are the same as ours for slowness.
I thought Tony said a split so maybe 13 each.
Quote from: filbus1 on November 09, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
I thought Tony said a split so maybe 13 each.
I think it's 4914-26 west bromwich(ex Sutton branded) and 4927-39 Birmingham
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 09, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
I think it's 4914-26 west bromwich(ex Sutton branded) and 4927-39 Birmingham
I guess anything's possible but IIRC WB had 18 47xx Geminis and 13 Plaxtons a few months back. That suggests they need 31 replacements - they appear to be having 6 ex WA ALX400 B7TL leaving 25. I did wonder if they'll be the ultimate recipients of the 10 CV Geminis.
And why would BC be receiving Enviros as well as additional Platinums? Unless some of the 41xx Tridents are on their way out.... interesting times.
Quote from: don on November 09, 2016, 08:18:55 PM
I guess anything's possible but IIRC WB had 18 47xx Geminis and 13 Plaxtons a few months back. That suggests they need 31 replacements - they appear to be having 6 ex WA ALX400 B7TL leaving 25. I did wonder if they'll be the ultimate recipients of the 10 CV Geminis.
And why would BC be receiving Enviros as well as additional Platinums? Unless some of the 41xx Tridents are on their way out.... interesting times.
A number of Y reg Tridents are to be withdrawn this year. Just a case of , which garage(s) will lose them.
The older Tridents do seem to becoming rarer on the Cov Road services especially at weekends. These are definitely interesting times. Best make the most of it things will get pretty bland in a few months time!!
Quote from: dingding on November 09, 2016, 10:50:49 PM
things will get pretty bland in a few months time!!
They said that when the Metrobusrd left lol
Quote from: MW on November 09, 2016, 11:05:17 PM
They said that when the Metrobusrd left lol
...and they were bob-on! ;)
4933 parked up inside BC
Unless I misread the fleet number, I am sure I saw 4092 on the 11A this morning so has this moved to Acocks Green or possible loan?
4930 PB to BC on 24 today
Quote from: j789 on November 10, 2016, 11:59:00 PM
Unless I misread the fleet number, I am sure I saw 4092 on the 11A this morning so has this moved to Acocks Green or possible loan?
Its been at AG since November 8th.
Quote from: 2206 on November 08, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
YW 4092 is on loan to AG today.
On the 11C at the Swan at 15:40.
It was the 1 earlier today as well.
Quote from: Chris on November 11, 2016, 11:20:41 AM
4930 PB to BC on 24 today
That's odd it's just passed me on the 16
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 11, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
That's odd it's just passed me on the 16
I swear around about 12ish travelcard branded 4930 went passed me at Priory Queensway and it was on the 24. But I might of been mistake
Quote from: Chris on November 11, 2016, 10:01:28 PM
I swear around about 12ish travelcard branded 4930 went passed me at Priory Queensway and it was on the 24. But I might of been mistake
I saw it for certain on the 16 as I was waiting to take over my bus at 19:12
Chris,look about three threads up to see confirmation of what you suspected...
Quote from: Chris on November 11, 2016, 10:01:28 PM
I swear around about 12ish travelcard branded 4930 went passed me at Priory Queensway and it was on the 24. But I might of been mistake
It's still at PB as it's on the 907 today. Saw it earlier in Sutton Coldfield.
Can not see any mention of it earlier, but 4303 is at Acocks Green on the 1 today
4931 PB - BC
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 17, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
4931 PB - BC
@Bham Central Driver - any idea what these ex PB E400's are replacing at BC. Obviously 4937-9 are spoken for.
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 09:45:35 PM
@Bham Central Driver - any idea what these ex PB E400's are replacing at BC. Obviously 4937-9 are spoken for.
@Winston - I don't know. I did notice 4882 has had its name removed so there may be truth in the rumours that these are going to Coventry.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 17, 2016, 11:08:17 PM
@Winston - I don't know. I did notice 4882 has had its name removed so there may be truth in the rumours that these are going to Coventry.
The other issue with that batch is 4884 is named after the late 'Ronnie Morgan', not really appropriate operating it from Coventry still bearing his name or to remove his name & add to another BC bus
I may be miles wide of the mark but would there be any logic in transferring in 63 plate E400s and transferring out similar 13 plate (and possibly 61 plate) versions? With 4871 and 4872 repainted into crimson at least some of the 48xx batch would presumably be staying out.
Quote from: Mike K on November 17, 2016, 11:34:39 PM
I may be miles wide of the mark but would there be any logic in transferring in 63 plate E400s and transferring out similar 13 plate (and possibly 61 plate) versions? With 4871 and 4872 repainted into crimson at least some of the 48xx batch would presumably be staying out.
It is rumoured that 4880-4 might join NXC from BC, I assume potentially releasing the remainder of the 4691-96 to PB?. The only logic I can see in that move, is that those 5 fit in with NXC's batch existing 13 plate buses i.e. 4885-4894
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 11:16:53 PM
The other issue with that batch is 4884 is named after the late 'Ronnie Morgan', not really appropriate operating it from Coventry still bearing his name or to remove his name & add to another BC bus
ron owned 6832 there's the clue
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
It is rumoured that 4880-4 might join NXC from BC, I assume potentially releasing the remainder of the 4691-96 to PB?. The only logic I can see in that move, is that those 5 fit in with NXC's batch existing 13 plate buses i.e. 4885-4894
Ah I see Winston. I suppose some buses would need a front end repaint either way, and it would keep the batch numbering consistent as you say.
Quote from: karl724223 on November 18, 2016, 04:40:20 AM
ron owned 6832 there's the clue
I assume new Enviro 400 MMC 6832 at BC will gain that name instead.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 18, 2016, 03:30:10 PM
I assume new Enviro 400 MMC 6832 at BC will gain that name instead.
The fact its at BC aswell, think it's very much a shame if they don't
Quote from: Dom on November 18, 2016, 03:39:47 PM
The fact its at BC aswell, think it's very much a shame if they don't
Can't see it featuring much on Ron's old haunt of the Pershore Road though. Although having said that, 4884 seems to spend most of its time on the Harborne corridor.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 18, 2016, 03:30:10 PM
I assume new Enviro 400 MMC 6832 at BC will gain that name instead.
6832 would be a better recipient and it would very fitting to name as
'Ronnie Morgan' due to his prize possession SDA832S
Be much more apt than most of the other meaningless names they put on them! Ronnie was truly one of the great British eccentrics. They dont make them like him any more!! RIP
Quote from: dingding on November 18, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
Be much more apt than most of the other meaningless names they put on them! Ronnie was truly one of the great British eccentrics. They dont make them like him any more!! RIP
Well not meaningless names tbh.
4932 is now a Birmingham Central. Was on the 24 earlier.
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/ms.c.eJwdx8kRACAIBLCOHNgDpP~;GZMwvBQTVUtGJObUXx3sh7r~;T3FOOB~_MhCXI~-.bps.a.564789300359674.1073742251.369276339910972/622051534633450/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 19, 2016, 07:57:10 PM
4932 is now a Birmingham Central. Was on the 24 earlier.
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/ms.c.eJwdx8kRACAIBLCOHNgDpP~;GZMwvBQTVUtGJObUXx3sh7r~;T3FOOB~_MhCXI~-.bps.a.564789300359674.1073742251.369276339910972/622051534633450/?type=3&theater
Been at BC for a few days now. Maybe a week.
4930 PB - BC
4299 Walsall - Acocks Green.
Quote from: P419 EJW on November 23, 2016, 08:47:03 AM
4299 Walsall - Acocks Green.
That's nearly all the latter B7TL's/ALX400's now at AG. Only 4304 left I think to come across if it is doing so??
@P419 EJW
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 23, 2016, 02:40:11 PM
That's nearly all the latter B7TL's/ALX400's now at AG. Only 4304 left I think to come across if it is doing so?? @P419 EJW
Yeah,
@Squiz1971, only 4304 to AG soon (don't know when though).
4349 plus another Pensnett trident gone to Walsall
Quote from: pndriver on November 23, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
4349 plus another Pensnett trident gone to Walsall
4354
6711-6718 now all at Pensnett completing the platinum allocation there
4353 PN - WA
4356 at WA , did 89-11
I think I have caught up with everything that has moved so far this month
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
I think I have caught up with everything that has moved so far this month
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4264 WB - withdrawn?
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
I think I have caught up with everything that has moved so far this month
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
A couple more happened today
I've just driven 4710 to Dundee, my colleague returning 4716 after repaint
4881 BC - CV
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2016, 06:26:25 PM
4881 BC - CV
Would this be likely to be repainted in the new Coventry livery before transfer and are there likely to be others?
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 09:06:15 PM
I think I have caught up with everything that has moved so far this month
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
I think you have missed 4299 WA-AG
@Tony
Quote from: markcf83 on November 30, 2016, 06:35:16 PM
Would this be likely to be repainted in the new Coventry livery before transfer and are there likely to be others?
4880-4 are all leaving for Coventry soon. It has being said before that transfers to Coventry are not refurbs, just a front end repaint, as the case with 840-4. I expect the 483* batch of Enviro400s on the 21 to be refurbished and repainted first
Quote from: John on November 30, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
4880-4 are all leaving for Coventry soon. It has being said before that transfers to Coventry are not refurbs, just a front end repaint, as the case with 840-4. I expect the 483* batch of Enviro400s on the 21 to be refurbished and repainted first
Remember the Enviro 400's are a year older than the E200's. As 4871/2 have already been put into crimson, I can't see why it would be a problem making 4881-84 two tone blue.
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 30, 2016, 07:13:06 PM
Remember the Enviro 400's are a year older than the E200's. As 4871/2 have already been put into crimson, I can't see why it would be a problem making 4881-84 two tone blue.
But 4880-4 are 18 months newer than 4830-42 and 4871-2. Surely older vehicles would be treated to refurbishment first
Quote from: John on November 30, 2016, 07:15:57 PM
But 4880-4 are 18 months newer than 4830-42 and 4871-2. Surely older vehicles would be treated to refurbishment first
But this never stopped the PB Enviro 400's going before the CV ones (Which still are no closer to repaint) did it?
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 30, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
But this never stopped the PB Enviro 400's going before the CV ones (Which still are no closer to repaint) did it?
They are still the same batch of buses though. One month difference in entering service. I'm comparing 4830 to 4843.
That's why I'm saying the 483*s at Coventry will probably be the next Coventry refurbs
Quote from: John on November 30, 2016, 07:23:29 PM
They are still the same batch of buses though. One month difference in entering service. I'm comparing 4830 to 4843.
That's why I'm saying the 483*s at Coventry will probably be the next Coventry refurbs
It just seems more logical to make the 488*'s two tone before they come to Coventry with the low proportion of two tone buses and the fact that soon enough, they would be up for refurb anyway.
Quote from: John on November 30, 2016, 07:03:58 PM
4880-4 are all leaving for Coventry soon. It has being said before that transfers to Coventry are not refurbs, just a front end repaint, as the case with 840-4. I expect the 483* batch of Enviro400s on the 21 to be refurbished and repainted first
Thought I'd ask. Thanks anyway.
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 30, 2016, 07:28:26 PM
It just seems more logical to make the 488*'s two tone before they come to Coventry with the low proportion of two tone buses and the fact that soon enough, they would be up for refurb anyway.
They won't be refurbing 3 year old buses anytime soon, there's a big long list to complete before those hit the queue
Coversation hopping - Is 4936 still at PB? Haven't seen any report of it transferring to BC yet
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Is 4936 still at PB? Haven't seen any report of it transferring to BC yet
Pretty sure we only have 4926-9 now
Quote from: John on November 30, 2016, 08:08:45 PM
Pretty sure we only have 4926-9 now
4936 still at PB vor
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2016, 08:18:29 PM
4936 still at PB vor
i knew it wasn't in service with us anymore, didn't realise it was off the road
Do we know the Presidents from Dundee that have been sold? I have 4046, 4103 and 4110 but I know there is more
4351/2 getting ready to go to a new home
Quote from: karl724223 on December 01, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
4351/2 getting ready to go to a new home
Both are now parked outside the front gates at PN awaiting to be moved to WA
4304 WA - AG
On the 1 today. At Edgbaston, Church Road at 13:33, Five Ways at about 13:45.
Quote from: 2206 on December 03, 2016, 02:53:53 PM
4304 WA - AG
On the 1 today. At Edgbaston, Church Road at 13:33, Five Ways at about 13:45.
Surely we don't need a running commentary about when you see the same sodding bus...
@Dom - What's the probelm? It's a transfer posted in the transfer thread..... Winston
Quote from: Dom on December 03, 2016, 05:01:03 PM
Surely we don't need a running commentary about when you see the same sodding bus...
Its a transfer and it had not been mentioned on the forum that it had transferred. I've not posted any other post about seeing it, the timings show which terminus it was going towards plus what journey it operated for anyone who may be looking for it. Its not running commentary about when I see it. I've seen it more than that today.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2016, 09:36:03 AM
Both are now parked outside the front gates at PN awaiting to be moved to WA
still there this morning
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Now at AG. On the 1 today.
What is? No fleetnumber in the quote
4260 has now transferred from Walsall to West Bromwich. It's on WB5 today.
1918 WA - WB
4136; 4146; 4147 WN - withdrawn
4693 CV - PB
4700; 4706 reserve - Dundee
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2016, 07:24:30 PM
4136; 4146; 4147 WN - withdrawn
4693 CV - PB
4700; 4706 reserve - Dundee
:'(
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
1918 WA - WB
That was unexpected
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2016, 07:24:30 PM
4136; 4146; 4147 WN - withdrawn
This is the start of the planned run down, by the look of it.
4254 PB - WB
4776 is down as a repaint for CV in the repaints thread. Have I missed this being as reported as a transfer from WA?
Quote from: Mike K on December 12, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
4776 is down as a repaint for CV in the repaints thread. Have I missed this being as reported as a transfer from WA?
Yeah apparently it's going over there because CV need a tacho bus.
Quote from: Mike K on December 12, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
4776 is down as a repaint for CV in the repaints thread. Have I missed this being as reported as a transfer from WA?
No, went in for paint for CV about an hour ago, now at Trailways
4258 & 4263 WA - WB
(Walsall now a B7TL free zone!)
4080; 4082 AG - withdrawn (both at Miller Street)
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2016, 10:52:43 AM
No, went in for paint for CV about an hour ago, now at Trailways
840-844 plus 4218, 4776 & 4881-4884 have, broadly speaking, replaced Coventry's Gemini's. 4692 was parked at the Swanswell Pool end of Coventry garage on 11th Dec and I presume 4694-6 are still hanging around.
At least two Geminis were on 6 today.
Maybe the citaros could be on their way out with all these transfers and that is more than enough to replace the Geminis and there have been deckers on the 4 again.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 12, 2016, 06:59:49 PM
Maybe the citaros could be on their way out with all these transfers and that is more than enough to replace the Geminis and there have been deckers on the 4 again.
10 Geminis for 5 E200's and 5 E400's is an equal swap. 4218 and 4776 aren't relevant to that. Nor will the Mercs go now.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 12, 2016, 07:13:18 PM
10 Geminis for 5 E200's and 5 E400's is an equal swap. 4218 and 4776 aren't relevant to that. Nor will the Mercs go now.
4776 is relevant, that is the 5th Enviro 400!
Three more buses parked outside bottom gate tonight ready for two new homes
We need a new advert bus nie
@Tony
Quote from: karl724223 on December 12, 2016, 07:43:28 PM
Three more buses parked outside bottom gate tonight ready for two new homes
We need a new advert bus nie @Tony
Did 4351-52 make it to Walsall? Would the leavers also include one or more of 4357-59?
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 12, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
Did 4351-52 make it to Walsall? Would the leavers also include one or more of 4357-59?
Both 4351 and 4352 were at Walsall on the 7th
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 12, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
Did 4351-52 make it to Walsall? Would the leavers also include one or more of 4357-59?
I heard 4359 would be going back to Yardley Wood.
4357 on the 301 this morning
6702 parked at AG
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
6702 parked at AG
It was used for a Private hire earlier, but isn't going back and should be out on either the 1 this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
It was used for a Private hire earlier, but isn't going back and will be out on either the 37 or 1 this afternoon
If 6702 does stay - AG becomes the first garage to have both single & double deck MMC variants.
4158; 4159; 4175 BC - withdrawn
4049 WB - withdrawn
4246; 4251; 4257 PB - WB
4694 CV - PB
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
4158; 4159; 4175 BC - withdrawn
4049 WB - withdrawn
4246; 4251; 4257 PB - WB
4694 CV - PB
I would take it that any euro 5 engined Y reg tridents will stay in service at BC for a while into the new emissions from may 2017?
@Tony
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2016, 01:42:17 PM
It was used for a Private hire earlier, but isn't going back and should be out on either the 1 this afternoon
Came out on the 1 this afternoon. In Acocks Green going to Five Ways at about 15:30.
4358 PN - WA (on the 29 today)
4359 PN - YW
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2016, 07:45:28 PM
4359 PN - YW
That should leave PN without any 43xx Tridents:
Now: 823-30/64-70; 2078-2111; 3301-5; 4191-4202; 4425-39; 6101-22; 6711-18 (total 111).
6701 BC - AG currently on the 1
810 WB - WN
4172; 4182 BC - withdrawn
6703; 6704 BC - AG
4692; 4696 CV - PB
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2016, 12:20:27 PM
810 WB - WN
4172; 4182 BC - withdrawn
6703; 6704 BC - AG
4692; 4696 CV - PB
Doesn't 4172 meet the euro 5 emissions standard, thought that would stay along with the other euro 5's?
811 WB - WN
Just one Gemini left at Coventry (4695 - the only one that carried the NX connector bars I think). Or will that be gone by tomorrow?
2115 WN - WA
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 16, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
Just one Gemini left at Coventry (4695 - the only one that carried the NX connector bars I think). Or will that be gone by tomorrow?
That's what I was wondering....
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 16, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
Just one Gemini left at Coventry (4695 - the only one that carried the NX connector bars I think). Or will that be gone by tomorrow?
Depends if Coventry have a bus to replace it yet, either 4776 when it comes or if they have already received it with 4880-4
Quote from: John on December 17, 2016, 03:45:35 PM
Depends if Coventry have a bus to replace it yet, either 4776 when it comes or if they have already received it with 4880-4
Others can correct me if I'm wrong over this,but 4881/2/3 are in service in Coventry-not certain of 4880/4. 4776 is definitely in Walsall being repainted.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 17, 2016, 06:54:39 PM
Others can correct me if I'm wrong over this,but 4881/2/3 are in service in Coventry-not certain of 4880/4. 4776 is definitely in Walsall being repainted.
4881/83-84 operating today (Sat) - didn't see 4882 but I believe it's in Coventry. I assume, with the impending arrival of 4776, we won't be getting 4880 from BC.
4695 was operating on service 4 as far as I could see - on Saturday 17th.
Not sure who invented the story of 4880 moving. It has never been intended to move.
My error Tony. D'oh!
A case of my putting two and two together ending up with seven as the total. It happens occasionally....
6706/7 both at AG and on the 966
how come wn loose 2115/6 and gain 3 e200s when only loosing 840-844 a few weeks ago? it doesn't make sense
Quote from: mranon on December 20, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
how come wn loose 2115/6 and gain 3 e200s when only loosing 840-844 a few weeks ago? it doesn't make sense
It probably all makes sense in the grand scheme of things, even when it may not be obvious at first.
4594 WN-BC
6708; 6709; 6710 BC-AG
4256 PB - WB
4189 WA - BC
4151 WA - WN
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 23, 2016, 06:26:07 PM
Did you mean 4152, @Tony?
Sorry - looking at wrong bus
4152 & 4153 are both due to go back to WN, but not moved yet
Didn't 4189 move in july?
Quote from: pb2012 on December 23, 2016, 07:01:36 PM
Didn't 4189 move in july?
Yes, and now its moved again, some buses do move twice
2116 now at wa
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 24, 2016, 12:03:03 AM
2116 now at wa
Why is Walsall starting to get Eclipse 2's?
That's 3 now.
Quote from: Westy on December 24, 2016, 09:16:51 PM
Why is Walsall starting to get Eclipse 2's?
That's 3 now.
Unless I've missed a transfer, it's the 4th with 2117 - 2119 already at Walsall
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 24, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
Unless I've missed a transfer, it's the 4th with 2117 - 2119 already at Walsall
2115 is at WA as well.
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2016, 09:46:21 AM
2115 WN - WA
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 24, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
Unless I've missed a transfer, it's the 4th with 2117 - 2119 already at Walsall
5th WA now has 2115-9
So is there a long term plan for Walsall to have all the Eclipse 2's then, as they ended up with all the Eclipse 1's eventually didn't they, before some ended up in Dundee recently?
(At the risk of stepping onto another thread's territory, Walsall should have more E200's, enough to convert the entire Darlaston corridor, plus withdrawing the 36 on the Alumwell & replacing with a rerouted 39, giving Alumwell an additional Sunday daytime NX service & restricting the subsidised 36 to daily evening only(unless NX could justify running evening journeys on the revised 39?).
Correct me if I'm wrong but only E200's would fit easily around Alumwell? If you interworked the Darlaston corridor, it would have to stay in Bradford Place, as NX Walsall won't send double deckers there on a regular basis?
I doubt they'll get all Eclipse 2's. There's 177 in total! Minus a few at Dundee.
I am hoping it won't mean withdrawal of the Eclipse 1, bloody love them buses
Quote from: Kevin on December 25, 2016, 08:10:56 AM
I am hoping it won't mean withdrawal of the Eclipse 1, bloody love them buses
Doubt it, they have just been repainted.
Most likely will reduce our Scania fleet
4153 now at WN
4252 PB - WB
4276 on the WB5. Assume this is a transfer
Quote from: John on December 31, 2016, 03:45:38 PM
4276 on the WB5. Assume this is a transfer
Tony has added that one on the Dec NX fleet changes - don't think it was mentioned on thread.
4926 and 4927 both ready for transfer. Red stickered and ticket machines removed this evening
Quote from: John on December 31, 2016, 09:02:44 PM
4926 and 4927 both ready for transfer. Red stickered and ticket machines removed this evening
Can I ask, why do vehicles need their ticket machines removed prior to transfer ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 31, 2016, 09:52:20 PM
Can I ask, why do vehicles need their ticket machines removed prior to transfer ?
Ain't the ticket machines specially programmed for the depot?
Quote from: John on December 31, 2016, 09:02:44 PM
4926 and 4927 both ready for transfer. Red stickered and ticket machines removed this evening
Both going to WB
Quote from: Westy on December 31, 2016, 10:17:45 PM
Ain't the ticket machines specially programmed for the depot?
No. I accidentally pressed in route 33 once instead of 31, and it worked.
I don't think buses on loan have their machines removed either
4152 WA - WN
Quote from: Winston on December 24, 2016, 09:29:43 PM
5th WA now has 2115-9
Are they coming to walsall for a while or are they to cover the buses going into repaint at walsall?
Thanks
Quote from: leewhayward29 on January 07, 2017, 09:20:10 PM
Are they coming to walsall for a while or are they to cover the buses going into repaint at walsall?
Thanks
Just operational requirements.
1839 WA - BY
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2017, 09:30:37 AM
1839 WA - BY
BY finally gets a 50th bus - its been at 49 for a while! [assuming one hasn't left]
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 20, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
BY finally gets a 50th bus - its been at 49 for a while! [assuming one hasn't left]
I assume 1837 & 1838 might well follow, I assume they'll have to be shoe horned in to BY depot at night
Quote from: Winston on January 20, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
I assume 1837 & 1838 might well follow, I assume they'll have to be shoe horned in to BY depot at night
No just getting 1839 as cover while their own 49 buses get new interior floors
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2017, 02:19:05 PM
No just getting 1839 as cover while their own 49 buses get new interior floors
Do customers on BY routes wear out the floors quicker than other garages then ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 20, 2017, 08:52:25 PM
Do customers on BY routes wear out the floors quicker than other garages then ::) ::) ::)
No. They are the oldest Scanias in the fleet so had the most wear, what's illogical about that?
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2017, 09:01:47 PM
No. They are the oldest Scanias in the fleet so had the most wear, what's illogical about that?
Don't they still Have the nice blue seats too?
Are they likely to be retrimmed and repainted Crimson also? (Now corrected - apologies for the ludicrous auto correct)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 20, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
Don't they still Have the nice blue seats too?
Just blue seat backs, all have been refurbished.
i spotted AG located 4658 on the 97 route tuesday morning may have been on loan to BC
Quote from: iansdavies on January 21, 2017, 02:06:08 PM
i spotted AG located 4658 on the 97 route tuesday morning may have been on loan to BC
It's been loan to AG for a few days now.
2113 WN - WA
812 WB - WN
Quote from: Tony on January 29, 2017, 01:49:56 PM
812 WB - WN
Curious
Wolves have just recently lost some to Cov so why sudden need for another one to transfer in?
2112 has now transferred to Walsall. It's on the 301 today.
4146 was at pn this morning marked up as dead
4136 reinstated at WN
4146 reinstated at PN
4180 BC - YW
Times must be hard in the WM if relics are getting reinstated, doesn't bode well for the provinces :)
Bet there only temporary though. Probably won't last more than 3 months
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2017, 09:15:14 PM
Bet there only temporary though. Probably won't last more than 3 months
What makes you think that?
It's certainly the intention that 4146 will remain at Pensnett for more than that.
Quote from: Tony on February 07, 2017, 09:19:13 PM
What makes you think that?
It's certainly the intention that 4146 will remain at Pensnett for more than that.
Considering the investment put in, would have thorny temporary. Nevertheless great news. Any reason for that particular bus? PN oldest bus?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 07, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
Considering the investment put in, would have thorny temporary. Nevertheless great news. Any reason for that particular bus? PN oldest bus?
Because all the Tridents in ready reserve are Y-reg & that's all there is to chose from ???
Just these are in reserve/withdrawn; 4128/4138/4147/4158/4159/4172/4175/4182/4190/4191 to choose from. Unless they are going to resurrect those Scania bendibuses which seems unlikely! Don't know how many Presidents there are left, but I reckon around 30 [probably less] and they certainly aren't coming back.
I think the overall NXWM/NXC fleet total has fallen well below 1700 (I have 1557 vehicles as allocated & in-service currently, excluding static/driver trainers, withdrawn/reserve buses and the Health 'Buzz' plus 3225). So things are a bit tight, you might say.
4191 has been stripped of parts at PN, so withdrawn rather than reserve
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 08, 2017, 02:42:09 PM
Just these are in reserve/withdrawn; 4128/4138/4147/4158/4159/4172/4175/4182/4190/4191 to choose from. Unless they are going to resurrect those Scania bendibuses which seems unlikely! Don't know how many Presidents there are left, but I reckon around 30 [probably less] and they certainly aren't coming back.
I think the overall NXWM/NXC fleet total has fallen well below 1700 (I have 1557 vehicles as allocated & in-service currently, excluding static/driver trainers, withdrawn/reserve buses and the Health 'Buzz' plus 3225). So things are a bit tight, you might say.
4128; 4138; 4191 won't be coming back
Shame 4190 was reinstated to PN being as it was a former PN vehicle.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 08, 2017, 07:05:55 PM
Shame 4190 was reinstated to PN being as it was a former PN vehicle.
we don't want the 41xx buses we want more 44xx buses hint hint boss 👍
Quote from: karl724223 on February 08, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
we don't want the 41xx buses we want more 44xx buses hint hint boss 👍
They much better to drive? Any reason?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
They much better to drive? Any reason?
work it out for yourself
4507 AG - PB
1839 back at WA for PVR increase on the 4 on Sunday
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
4507 AG - PB
;D Wasn't expecting that obviously as it is 11 branded. Will it get treated to a repaint first or just de-branded? Nice to get another Gemini
Quote from: John on February 14, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
;D Wasn't expecting that obviously as it is 11 branded. Will it get treated to a repaint first or just de-branded? Nice to get another Gemini
It was supposed to go via refurb, but it arrived at PB last night just after PB sent 4499 to Walsall
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
It was supposed to go via refurb, but it arrived at PB last night just after PB sent 4499 to Walsall
Wouldn't it have better to move 4666
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 14, 2017, 03:41:02 PM
Wouldn't it have better to move 4666
The incident that happened on 4666 wasn't exposed on the media exposure as much as the incident that happened on 4816 which got renumbered. There might be a reason 4666 stayed?
4507 is the one that likes to vibrate a lot. Also, lockdown has been removed. 4508 on the other hand is much much better.
4507 also has the newer Hanover unit inside, like the MMCs.
Edit: lockdown? I mean kickdown
Quote from: MW on February 14, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
4507 is the one that likes to vibrate a lot. Also, lockdown has been removed. 4508 on the other hand is much much better.
4507 also has the newer Hanover unit inside, like the MMCs.
It's also the only diesel Gemini at NX still with the ridged lower panels, so needs a visit to Walsall to get rid of those
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2017, 07:33:14 PM
It's also the only diesel Gemini at NX still with the ridged lower panels, so needs a visit to Walsall to get rid of those
Diesel Gemini? Is that a hint of things to come?
Quote from: MW on February 14, 2017, 10:01:24 PM
Diesel Gemini? Is that a hint of things to come?
Hybrids? They still have the ridged panels
Quote from: John on February 14, 2017, 10:04:40 PM
Hybrids? They still have the ridged panels
Ah I misunderstood what he said. Thought he said only diesel Gemini with ridged panels at AG rather than NX
4936 PB - BC
1887 WA - YW
1889 WA - YW
4339 YW - WA
4570 YW - WA
It would have been so much more interesting if YW and AG had swapped 6 MMCs over. But then, it contradicts the 'no garages having both Platinum and Standard' thing.
Quote from: MW on February 24, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
It would have been so much more interesting if YW and AG had swapped 6 MMCs over. But then, it contradicts the 'no garages having both Platinum and Standard' thing.
Like PE?
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 24, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
Like PE?
Oh yeah it's the batch isn't it. It would be fine for AG and YW to swap in that case. My bad.
2114 was on A51 earlier so that has moved to WA now.
4253 WB - PB (without getting to WB) currently on the 67
Who's watching pensnett Sunday for all the new buses their having transferred
Quote from: karl724223 on April 20, 2017, 07:36:52 PM
Who's watching pensnett Sunday for all the new buses their having transferred
Have any of 801-807, at least some of which are presumably going to PN, been debranded yet? Been off work this week and the only 2 99s I've seen have been B7RLEs.
Quote from: Mike K on April 20, 2017, 07:43:23 PM
Have any of 801-807, at least some of which are presumably going to PN, been debranded yet? Been off work this week and the only 2 99s I've seen have been B7RLEs.
All of 801 - 807 which were out on the 99 on Tuesday were still branded.
Quote from: Mike K on April 20, 2017, 07:43:23 PM
Have any of 801-807, at least some of which are presumably going to PN, been debranded yet? Been off work this week and the only 2 99s I've seen have been B7RLEs.
I thought (probably wrongly) that WB were getting 801 -7 and PN were getting some short wheel base E200s for the 121?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 20, 2017, 07:52:54 PM
I thought (probably wrongly) that WB were getting 801 -7 and PN were getting some short wheel base E200s for the 121?
No idea. I'd assumed PN would need a few extra LWB ones for the extended 244.
Quote from: Mike K on April 20, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
No idea. I'd assumed PN would need a few extra LWB ones for the extended 244.
Are you able to help us
@Tony or is it wait and see?
Quote from: Mike K on April 20, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
No idea. I'd assumed PN would need a few extra LWB ones for the extended 244.
With WB getting the 120A will that mean some of the B7RLE will be leaving PN?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 20, 2017, 08:00:47 PM
Are you able to help us @Tony or is it wait and see?
They will be debranded on Sunday and split between PN & WB
Quote from: 2206 on April 20, 2017, 08:05:54 PM
With WB getting the 120A will that mean some of the B7RLE will be leaving PN?
Yes
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 20, 2017, 07:52:54 PM
I thought (probably wrongly) that WB were getting 801 -7 and PN were getting some short wheel base E200s for the 121?
were having lwb and swb e200s
Quote from: karl724223 on April 20, 2017, 08:43:15 PM
were having lwb and swb e200s
Yes SWB for 121, long for extended 244
Are the B7RLE's similar to the Gemini's in cab layout if they are then WB Drivers wouldn't need type training.
Will the B7RLE be limited to the 120A or will they appear on other WB Routes.
Quote from: WB Driver on April 20, 2017, 09:05:49 PM
Are the B7RLE's similar to the Gemini's in cab layout if they are then WB Drivers wouldn't need type training.
Will the B7RLE be limited to the 120A or will they appear on other WB Routes.
No B7RLEs at WB
I'd guess B7RLEs go from PE-WA, and then Scanias from WA-WB?
Quote from: MW on April 20, 2017, 09:22:06 PM
I'd guess B7RLEs go from PE-WA, and then Scanias from WA-WB?
Only Scanias can fit on the Darlaston & Alumwell routes can they, unless a similar size vehicle (s) can be transferred in surely?
Any spare E200s knocking about?
Quote from: Westy on April 20, 2017, 10:34:25 PM
Only Scanias can fit on the Darlaston & Alumwell routes can they, unless a similar size vehicle (s) can be transferred in surely?
Any spare E200s knocking about?
Isn't it just the 17** B7RLEs that don't fit? The 2011/2/3 B7RLEs don't have that pod on the roof do they?
Quote from: MW on April 20, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
Isn't it just the 17** B7RLEs that don't fit? The 2011/2/3 B7RLEs don't have that pod on the roof do they?
Judging by some photos on the main site, the Mk2 B7RLEs do also have pods although they seem to be smaller. Their is an overhead photo of 2010 and it shows 4 distinct "pods".
Is this a height issue ? when it was mentioned B7RLE's don't fit, I was of the belief it was due to tight turning .
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 21, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
Judging by some photos on the main site, the Mk2 B7RLEs do also have pods although they seem to be smaller. Their is an overhead photo of 2010 and it shows 4 distinct "pods".
Is this a height issue ? when it was mentioned B7RLE's don't fit, I was of the belief it was due to tight turning .
I don't remember any noticeable difference on the turning circle on the B7RLE and Scania. It's the roof pods as far I'm aware that are the issue.
The turning circle on the Mk1 & Mk2 Eclipse should be the same as it's the same chassis.
Is the PVR for the 121 3? I'm thinking 2106-2111 to Walsall and same amount of Scanias to West Bromwich? Then 801 -805 to PN with 806-809 to WB to replace 753-6 to PN?
Quote from: Chris on April 21, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
Is the PVR for the 121 3? I'm thinking 2106-2111 to Walsall and same amount of Scanias to West Bromwich? Then 801 -805 to PN with 806-809 to WB to replace 753-6 to PN?
wrong ha ha
It was only a guess
@karl724223 haha maybe instead of the e200 perhaps the 244 could go platinum to quell
@Trident 4194 moaning about the 244
Save this getting any longer with guesses this is what is due to happen this weekend
758; 759; 760 WB - PN
801; 802; 803; 804 BC - PN
805; 806; 807; 808, 809 BC - WB
1886; 1887; 1888; 1889; 1890; 1891 YW - WA
2078; 2079; 2080 PN - BC
4192; 4201 PN - reserve (Genuine reserve and will turn up at different garages for a short time)
4335; 4337; 4339; 4376; 4394; 4570 WA - YW
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
Save this getting any longer with guesses this is what is due to happen this weekend
758; 759; 760 WB - PN
801; 802; 803; 804 BC - PN
805; 806; 807; 808, 809 BC - WB
1886; 1887; 1888; 1889; 1890; 1891 YW - WA
2078; 2079; 2080 PN - BC
4192; 4201 PN - reserve (Genuine reserve and will turn up at different garages for a short time)
4335; 4337; 4339; 4376; 4394; 4570 WA - YW
only four lwb e200s to pn?
Quote from: karl724223 on April 20, 2017, 07:36:52 PM
Who's watching pensnett Sunday for all the new buses their having transferred
7 E200s then. Nice.
Quote from: Westy on April 20, 2017, 10:34:25 PM
Only Scanias can fit on the Darlaston & Alumwell routes can they, unless a similar size vehicle (s) can be transferred in surely?
Any spare E200s knocking about?
There's 4 in Dundee you're welcome to, they're garbage, please take them!!
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
Save this getting any longer with guesses this is what is due to happen this weekend
758; 759; 760 WB - PN
801; 802; 803; 804 BC - PN
805; 806; 807; 808, 809 BC - WB
1886; 1887; 1888; 1889; 1890; 1891 YW - WA
2078; 2079; 2080 PN - BC
4192; 4201 PN - reserve (Genuine reserve and will turn up at different garages for a short time)
4335; 4337; 4339; 4376; 4394; 4570 WA - YW
4196 is also noted on the sheet at Pensnett
Quote from: pndriver on April 22, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
4196 is also noted on the sheet at Pensnett
Shouldn't be, that one is staying
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
Save this getting any longer with guesses this is what is due to happen this weekend
758; 759; 760 WB - PN
801; 802; 803; 804 BC - PN
805; 806; 807; 808, 809 BC - WB
1886; 1887; 1888; 1889; 1890; 1891 YW - WA
2078; 2079; 2080 PN - BC
4192; 4201 PN - reserve (Genuine reserve and will turn up at different garages for a short time)
4335; 4337; 4339; 4376; 4394; 4570 WA - YW
1887/89/90/91 now all back at Walsall
4335/9/76; 4570 back at YW
Are any garages single or double decker heavy nowadays?
Am I likely to see more single deckers on non Birmingham routes out of Walsall routes?
Quote from: Westy on April 22, 2017, 05:57:25 PM
Are any garages single or double decker heavy nowadays?
Am I likely to see more single deckers on non Birmingham routes out of Walsall routes?
Those Scanias gone back to Walsall were on temporary transfer to YW due to the bridge works, so everything should go back to normal now.
Quote from: MW on April 22, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Those Scanias gone back to Walsall were on temporary transfer to YW due to the bridge works, so everything should go back to normal now.
I thought I read on Facebook that the bridge work was over running?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2017, 06:22:15 PM
I thought I read on Facebook that the bridge work was over running?
It is, but tomorrow's service changes mean single decks are no longer needed on the 2 & 3
Quote from: pndriver on April 22, 2017, 05:47:07 PM
4196 is also noted on the sheet at Pensnett
That one should be withdrawn, it's in poor condition externally & not that great inside either. Plus a number of windows are misted up (I assume between glass & film)
Today's transfers are just starting to happen
2078/2079 just arriving at BC
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
Today's transfers are just starting to happen
2078/2079 just arriving at BC
What do BC need more B7RLE for? I thought the X64 would still use the same number of buses & was just having a route change to cover the 99
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2017, 09:53:25 AM
What do BC need more B7RLE for? I thought the X64 would still use the same number of buses & was just having a route change to cover the 99
No, the 98/ X64 needs more buses
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2017, 09:53:25 AM
What do BC need more B7RLE for? I thought the X64 would still use the same number of buses & was just having a route change to cover the 99
Hasn't the running time on the 98 been increased to improve reliability? Not sure if this would mean a PVR increase though.
As things stand, looks like the East Birmingham changes might mean a reduction in B7RLE requirements for BC with the changes to the 58 and 59 so I wonder whether some of these allocations will be quite short term.
Quote from: Mike K on April 23, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
Hasn't the running time on the 98 been increased to improve reliability? Not sure if this would mean a PVR increase though.
As things stand, looks like the East Birmingham changes might mean a reduction in B7RLE requirements for BC with the changes to the 58 and 59 so I wonder whether some of these allocations will be quite short term.
Based on Tony's reply it seems so, as frequencies are unchanged.
I do wonder whether there are still more registrations to be published for the East Brum changes.
AG currently seem as though they will have a fair few surplus E200MMC's which are meant to be taking over operation of the curtailed 58 from BC
Sorry, Tony's reply wasn't there when I sent mine because I was interrupted between starting it and hitting the 'post button'!
Quote from: Mike K on April 23, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
Sorry, Tony's reply wasn't there when I sent mine because I was interrupted between starting it and hitting the 'post button'!
Don't worry, not a problem !
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
Today's transfers are just starting to happen
2078/2079 just arriving at BC
Debranded 807 with 808 & 809 now at WB
758; 759; 760 currently on way to PN
4201, now a reserve fleet vehicle is currently heading to BC where it may appear in service tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2017, 06:21:51 PM
Save this getting any longer with guesses this is what is due to happen this weekend
758; 759; 760 WB - PN
801; 802; 803; 804 BC - PN
805; 806; 807; 808, 809 BC - WB
1886; 1887; 1888; 1889; 1890; 1891 YW - WA
2078; 2079; 2080 PN - BC
4192; 4201 PN - reserve (Genuine reserve and will turn up at different garages for a short time)
4335; 4337; 4339; 4376; 4394; 4570 WA - YW
All now happened except 805/6 which are still at BC
4192; 4201 have both initially gone to BC and may be out in service there tomorrow morning
There are no more transfers due this month, so I have put the April list on the main site
According to a Facebook post, 4929 is now at Central, leaving only 4928 still at Perry Barr
Quote from: John on May 20, 2017, 05:33:05 PM
According to a Facebook post, 4929 is now at Central, leaving only 4928 still at Perry Barr
4928 is still out at Perry Barr on the 16 today, if anyone is looking for it.
Quote from: 2206 on May 20, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
4928 is still out at Perry Barr on the 16 today, if anyone is looking for it.
One is on the 907 too (i thought that was 4928). I'm starting to think the poster has made a mistake
Quote from: John on May 20, 2017, 05:41:45 PM
One is on the 907 too (i thought that was 4928). I'm starting to think the poster has made a mistake
Not sure whether I saw 4928, or 4929 on the 16, sure I saw one on the 16 though.
Quote from: 2206 on May 20, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Not sure whether I saw 4928, or 4929 on the 16, sure I saw one on the 16, sure I saw one on there though.
The bus on the 16 is / was 4929 as I pictured it in Moor Street at 13:37
(Picture to be added tomorrow)https://www.facebook.com/CovBusPage/photos/ms.c.eJwzN7SwMDU0tDSxNDU2sTDWMwfxzQ0sDc0MLU3NDABmmQZk.bps.a.564789300359674.1073742251.369276339910972/718857091619560/?type=3&theater
Quote from: John on May 20, 2017, 05:41:45 PM
One is on the 907 too (i thought that was 4928). I'm starting to think the poster has made a mistake
4928 is on the 907.
4929 is on the 16.
Saw them both in the City earlier.
Around 100 vehicles will transfer for service changes on the 3rd June. Because of the number and the fact next week is half term when garages have reduced vehicle requirements some may move any time next week and not wait for the following weekend.
Will any be coming north to Dundee?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 24, 2017, 06:26:09 PM
Will any be coming north to Dundee?
No, none planned at the moment
What garages will be involed in the transfers ?
@Tony
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Around 100 vehicles will transfer for service changes on the 3rd June. Because of the number and the fact next week is half term when garages have reduced vehicle requirements some may move any time next week and not wait for the following weekend.
Can you tell us which garages are affected? Or would it be easier to say which aren't affected?
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 24, 2017, 06:31:11 PM
What garages will be involed in the transfers ? @Tony
AG, BC, PB, YW, WA, WB, WN, PN & CV!
More E200 for PN haha or maybe some e200 MMC for X96 8)
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2017, 06:34:59 PM
AG, BC, PB, YW, WA, WB, WN, PN & CV!
Is this the reason that the 21 is being put onto a Summer timetable early?
(Information from Network West Midlands email)
Strange as it may seem, I could see the 10 B7TLs still at Coventry moving to get rid of a vehicle type there. Replaced by Y-TOH Tridents
I can see BC y reg swapping with WA and WN late tridents
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 24, 2017, 07:01:02 PM
I can see BC y reg swapping with WA and WN late tridents
I'd guess 4383-4395.
Quote from: V89MOA on May 24, 2017, 07:17:59 PM
I'd guess 4383-4395.
I'd say those aswell. Most of the Tridents at Yardley Wood I've seen that have the AdBlue Exhuasts are from 4383-4395.
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
Around 100 vehicles will transfer for service changes on the 3rd June. Because of the number and the fact next week is half term when garages have reduced vehicle requirements some may move any time next week and not wait for the following weekend.
With all these allocation changes and non Crimson buses being upgraded with Euro 6 exhaust traps, are NX not planning on buying any new buses this year?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 24, 2017, 07:01:02 PM
I can see BC y reg swapping with WA and WN late tridents
No swaps for WN its a pvr increase.
Quote from: BN on May 24, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
No swaps for WN its a pvr increase.
What's brought about the PVR increase? I wasn't aware of any service changes on WN routes.
Quote from: Mike K on May 24, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
What's brought about the PVR increase? I wasn't aware of any service changes on WN routes.
I suspect it's for the upcoming Metro Replacement shuttles. Throwing another guess out there but 2078-80 perhaps?
Quote from: Mike K on May 24, 2017, 10:15:59 PM
What's brought about the PVR increase? I wasn't aware of any service changes on WN routes.
The Metro works on Bilston Rd take place from 11th June. A Metro replacement service will run between W'ton & The Cresent stops.
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
The Metro works on Bilston Rd take place from 11th June. A Metro replacement service will run between W'ton & The Cresent stops.
I see. Thanks for the explanation.
What transfers are happening for CV Tony ?
Quote from: TT90 on May 24, 2017, 11:44:51 PM
What transfers are happening for CV Tony ?
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2017, 12:01:04 PM
I don't post future plans, sorry, only what has happened
4928; 4929 PB - BC
4156 BC - withdrawn
4253 PB - WB
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
The Metro works on Bilston Rd take place from 11th June. A Metro replacement service will run between W'ton & The Cresent stops.
Is this a proper all-day replacement service? Last time the Metro closed they told passengers to get on the 39 or 79?
Quote from: Stevo on May 30, 2017, 11:59:05 AM
Is this a proper all-day replacement service? Last time the Metro closed they told passengers to get on the 39 or 79?
I believe the 79 is having an enhanced service with passengers directed onto it.
2248 out in the 6 this evening
Quote from: jc on May 30, 2017, 05:24:36 PM
2248 out in the 6 this evening
Is this Yardley Wood, Walsall or Wolverhampton? (Though I would assume it would be Yardley Wood, it's always best to clarify)(Just seen in Yardley Wood thread)
Quote from: Adam 404 on May 30, 2017, 05:39:44 PM
Is this Yardley Wood, Walsall or Wolverhampton? (Though I would assume it would be Yardley Wood, it's always best to clarify)
@Adam 404 Yardley Wood
2239; 2248 AG - YW
1900; 1904 YW - PB
4501; 4503 PB - AG
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2017, 06:27:12 PM
2239; 2248 AG - YW
1900; 1904 YW - PB
4501; 4503 PB - AG
According to a friend of mine, 1900 is on PB 94
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 30, 2017, 06:33:08 PM
According to a friend of mine, 1904 id on PB 94
No 1904 is not on the 94. 1904 is on the PB 28, just passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose going towards Small Heath on the 17:15 from Great Barr, Scott Arms.
Quote from: 2206 on May 30, 2017, 06:35:55 PM
No 1904 is not on the 94. 1904 is on the PB 28, just passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose going towards Small Heath on the 17:35 from Great Barr, Scott Arms.
Correct, it is 1900 on the 94
Just curious but do we know how many of these batches will get route branding once all have moved, I assume the E200MMCs at YW will but Geminis and Omnilinks?
Are all of PB's B7TL ALX400's due to leave for WB and AG? Just curious.
Quote from: Jack B on May 30, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Are all of PB's B7TL ALX400's due to leave for WB and AG? Just curious.
You'll know all the transfers by the end of the week probably. They are only posted when they happen, not before.
I think it's safe to presume 4501-7 will move to AG, and 2239-50 to YW. Will probably mean at least 12 Scanias leave YW.
All a guess of course, seeing as how Tony likes to move the fleet around in blocks.
4129 BC - reserve (for ticket machine cover at Coventry with 4192)
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
4129 BC - reserve (for ticket machine cover at Coventry with 4192)
4129 has just left Coventry Garage running dead. I think he's going to start a peak board, but I'm not sure which route.
Is 856 going to PN by any chance? Just seen it going up the BNR towards Dudley
1900 (I think) is on the 52/A. Could be another one.
@Dom 856 currently on the 120.
1901 was on the 16 this evening
Quote from: 979 on May 31, 2017, 10:02:33 PM
@Dom 856 currently on the 120.
Probably a loan more than a transfer
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2017, 10:10:11 PM
Probably a loan more than a transfer
Why would they loan from Walsall instead of WB or WN? They normally turn to them if they need buses.
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
Why would they loan from Walsall instead of WB or WN? They normally turn to them if they need buses.
True, but why transfer 856 to PN, Tony normally like to keep the fleet numbers in sequence unless PN are to get a load more E200s?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2017, 10:25:36 PM
True, but why transfer 856 to PN, Tony normally like to keep the fleet numbers in sequence unless PN are to get a load more E200s?
Not if it's unreasonable. For example transferring 861,862,863 to PN and 855,856,857 to WN. Extra unnecessary moves.
4163 BC-WN.
2231;3 are now both at YW.
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2017, 10:16:30 PM
Why would they loan from Walsall instead of WB or WN? They normally turn to them if they need buses.
Because that's which garage has a spare bus
Yes only on loan
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2017, 06:25:26 AM
Because that's which garage has a spare bus
Fair enough then.
4173 to PN? Or is this just a loan. Currently on the 246.
1898 has now transferred from Yardley Wood to Perry Barr. Just seen it leave Perry Barr Garage on a 52 peak board.
Quote from: Dom on June 01, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
4173 to PN? Or is this just a loan. Currently on the 246.
Transfer
Pretty sure I saw 4242 on Warwick Road in Acocks Green village running NIS (to Solihull presumably).
Is this a transfer to AG? I'm not up to date on ALX400 allocations. Is this one already at AG lmao?
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 05:01:46 PM
Pretty sure I saw 4242 on Warwick Road in Acocks Green village running NIS (to Solihull presumably).
Is this a transfer to AG? I'm not up to date on ALX400 allocations. Is this one already at AG lmao?
Yes.
Transfers I can spot that have happened so far this week are
4163 BC-WN
4173 BC-PN
4129; 4192 BC - CV
4241 PB-WB
1898; 1900/1/3/4 YW-PB
2231/3/5/9/48 AG-YW
4225/6/7/31/3 WB-AG
4242; 4501/3/5 PB-AG
Tomorrow should be the last day of Euro 3 Tridents at BC. They intend using any left there on the cricket extras to Edgbaston
Are there many more transfers expected
@Tony
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 01, 2017, 05:29:49 PM
Are there many more transfers expected @Tony
Tony has said that including those above, there are around 100 transfers which will take place this week.
Quote from: 2206 on June 01, 2017, 05:31:10 PM
Tony has said that including those above, there are around 100 transfers which will take place this week.
Thanks
@2206
I'm expecting all these extra ALX400s to be dumped onto the Outer Circle, like how the Presidents where a few years ago.
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2017, 12:17:53 PM
I believe the 79 is having an enhanced service with passengers directed onto it.
Some details are now on NXWM website (service changes page)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-11th-june-
are as follows:
Service 79 - Wolverhampton - West Bromwich
Extra journeys will operate between Wolverhampton and Bilston due to the closure of the Metro line between Priestfield and Wolverhampton City Centre.
Between Wolverhampton and Bilston, the frequency of buses will be increased to up to every 5 minutes on weekday daytimes and every 15 minutes on Sunday daytimes.
The frequency of evening buses will be increased to every 15 minutes on all days of the week.
Revised timetable to reflect the above changes.
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
I'm expecting all these extra ALX400s to be dumped onto the Outer Circle, like how the Presidents where a few years ago.
I think you may be right, with Geminis (perhaps Crimson ones?) being used on the 72.
Either way, wasn't the introduction of the E200s on the 71/72 part of some 'quality partnership' agreement with Centro/TfWM?
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2017, 05:27:32 PM
Transfers I can spot that have happened so far this week are
4163 BC-WN
4173 BC-PN
4129; 4192 BC - CV
4241 PB-WB
1898; 1900/1/3/4 YW-PB
2231/3/5/9/48 AG-YW
4225/6/7/31/3 WB-AG
4242; 4501/3/5 PB-AG
Does that mean the 72 will be down graded to those Gem things I guess.
Tomorrow should be the last day of Euro 3 Tridents at BC. They intend using any left there on the cricket extras to Edgbaston
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 01, 2017, 06:55:20 PM
Does that mean the 72 will be down graded to those Gem things I guess.
Yes. Either downgraded to Gemini, or a mixture of B7TL ALX400 and Gemini probably.
The 71 will be downgraded to Omnilinks as well.
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
I'm expecting all these extra ALX400s to be dumped onto the Outer Circle, like how the Presidents where a few years ago.
Yeh, another downgrade for the 11, lol
@MW
Quote from: Walsall1955 on June 01, 2017, 06:42:06 PM
Some details are now on NXWM website (service changes page)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-11th-june-
are as follows:
Service 79 - Wolverhampton - West Bromwich
Extra journeys will operate between Wolverhampton and Bilston due to the closure of the Metro line between Priestfield and Wolverhampton City Centre.
Between Wolverhampton and Bilston, the frequency of buses will be increased to up to every 5 minutes on weekday daytimes and every 15 minutes on Sunday daytimes.
The frequency of evening buses will be increased to every 15 minutes on all days of the week.
Revised timetable to reflect the above changes.
Also on that link the states the 154 is the 54A but that must be a typo
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 06:59:13 PM
Yeh, another downgrade for the 11, lol @MW
Lmao. It brings a bit of variety to the route I suppose. Nothing can beat Geminis though. Favourite vehicle type in the fleet for me lol
I might need to go back to NX just to drive these ALX400s!
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2017, 06:54:07 PM
I think you may be right, with Geminis (perhaps Crimson ones?) being used on the 72.
Either way, wasn't the introduction of the E200s on the 71/72 part of some 'quality partnership' agreement with Centro/TfWM?
I thought the 71/72 got upgraded as part of the too, must be the same as the previous lot of qp scheme prime or what ever it's called that went to pot as well.
Quote from: Walsall1955 on June 01, 2017, 06:42:06 PM
Some details are now on NXWM website (service changes page)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-11th-june-
are as follows:
Service 79 - Wolverhampton - West Bromwich
Extra journeys will operate between Wolverhampton and Bilston due to the closure of the Metro line between Priestfield and Wolverhampton City Centre.
Between Wolverhampton and Bilston, the frequency of buses will be increased to up to every 5 minutes on weekday daytimes and every 15 minutes on Sunday daytimes.
The frequency of evening buses will be increased to every 15 minutes on all days of the week.
Revised timetable to reflect the above changes.
Why are all these extra 79s needed, in the past when they have carried out work, it was just normal services with a few extras in the peak hours?
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 07:08:33 PM
Lmao. It brings a bit of variety to the route I suppose. Nothing can beat Geminis though. Favourite vehicle type in the fleet for me lol
I might need to go back to NX just to drive these ALX400s!
Gemini's are my favourite too! The ALX400s leak water quite bad, well 4300 and 4304 do which are at AG. 4295 is probably my favourite at AG.
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 07:19:35 PM
Gemini's are my favourite too! The ALX400s leak water quite bad, well 4300 and 4304 do which are at AG. 4295 is probably my favourite at AG.
4295 is my favorite. 4293 is a nice one at AG as well.
The drivers at AG don't seem to like them for some reason, when stood at the stop outside the garage and they get a B7TL ALX400 on the 11, you often hear them say they were hoping they'd get a Gemini and they wouldn't get a B7TL ALX400.
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2017, 06:54:07 PM
I think you may be right, with Geminis (perhaps Crimson ones?) being used on the 72.
Either way, wasn't the introduction of the E200s on the 71/72 part of some 'quality partnership' agreement with Centro/TfWM?
I'm sure it was part of some agreement along with the X2 (at the time 957), Centro/TFWM were advertising the upgrade on the stops in Sutton a couple of months before it received the upgrade (It was some time round early 2015, about February/March).
Quote from: 2206 on June 01, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
4295 is my favorite. 4293 is a nice one at AG as well.
The drivers at AG don't seem to like them for some reason, when stood at the stop outside the garage and they get a B7TL ALX400 on the 11, you often hear them say they were hoping they'd get a Gemini and they wouldn't get a B7TL ALX400.
All of 4292-4299 are nice. Can't stand the Ex Dundee ones. They can be slow and sluggish, that's probably the reason the drivers prefer the Gemini's.
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 07:41:11 PM
All of 4292-4299 are nice. Can't stand the Ex Dundee ones. They can be slow and sluggish, that's probably the reason the drivers prefer the Gemini's.
Aren't the ex-Dundee ones from the very same batch? 4300 - 4304 initially carried Birmingham BU51 plates like all the others, and they were Sutton branded so should be no different from the others at AG.
Quote from: Mike K on June 01, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
Aren't the ex-Dundee ones from the very same batch? 4300 - 4304 initially carried Birmingham BU51 plates like all the others, and they were Sutton branded so should be no different to the others at AG.
Yes that's right.
I quite liked the ST02 Volvos when we had then. 4300 was the best I thought
Quote from: John on June 01, 2017, 07:48:39 PM
Yes that's right.
I quite liked the ST02 Volvos when we had then. 4300 was the best I thought
I think that's the one with it's cooling fans on regularly around here. There's one ALX400 always blasting them.
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 07:50:42 PM
I think that's the one with it's cooling fans on regularly around here. There's one ALX400 always blasting them.
4696 is like that too. Makes a right racket
Quote from: John on June 01, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
4696 is like that too. Makes a right racket
Ever heard or driven 4689? Horrible thing, can't handle hills, it chugs like an old steam train when it can't handle Walsall Road!
@John
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Ever heard or driven 4689? Horrible thing, can't handle hills, it chugs like an old steam train when it can't handle Walsall Road! @John
Can't remember it off the top of my head, more than likely driven it though, had most if not all of the ex-Coventry Geminis. They are a lot slower than the other Geminis
Quote from: John on June 01, 2017, 08:44:50 PM
Can't remember it off the top of my head, more than likely driven it though, had most if not all of the ex-Coventry Geminis. They are a lot slower than the other Geminis
Only ridden 4687 and 4689 lol. I like them, quite nippy. I prefer the ZF Gemini's, proper buses, especially 4481, how I love that bus is realistic!
Quote from: John on June 01, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
4696 is like that too. Makes a right racket
I love it when the cooling fans are on. When driving on tight roads with buildings, how it echoes with how you rev lol
4518 was a beast. They've fixed it now lol
4240 and 4244 just turned up at Oak Lane
More happened in the last 24 hours
1899; 1902; 1907 YW-PB
2230; 2234; 2243 AG-YW
4168 BC-WN
4225; 4229; 4230 WB-AG
4240; 4241; 4244 PB-WB
4500; 4506 PB-AG
4384; 4385 YW-BC
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 11:50:27 PM
I love it when the cooling fans are on. When driving on tight roads with buildings, how it echoes with how you rev lol
4518 was a beast. They've fixed it now lol
I noticed last week. I thought it was another bus when I heard and see it go past. 4482 and 4504 are probably the best at PB for cooling fans.
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
More happened in the last 24 hours
1899; 1902; 1907 YW-BC
2230; 2234; 2243 AG-YW
4168 BC-WN
4225; 4229; 4230 WB-AG
4240; 4241; 4244 PB-WB
4500; 4506 PB-AG
4384; 4385 YW-BC
Are 1898/1902/7 to PB rather than BC?
1933 has now transferred from Yardley Wood to Perry Barr and is on the 77 this afternoon.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 02, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
1933 has now transferred from Yardley Wood to Perry Barr and is on the 77 this afternoon.
Another 4 way swap happened at Lunchtime
1933 YW-PB
4245 PB-WB
4234 WB-AG
2236 AG-YW
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2017, 03:07:34 PM
Another 4 way swap happened at Lunchtime
1933 YW-PB
4245 PB-WB
4234 WB-AG
2236 AG-YW
Are the ALX that are moving to WB fitted with exhaust traps?
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
Are the ALX that are moving to WB fitted with exhaust traps?
Yes the ALX400 moving to WB are fitted with exhaust traps and the ALX400 moving to AG are for use on non City Centre services.
1906 YW-PB
2250 AG-YW
It must be one of the new transfers as I don't think I've seen one in such a state before at AG.
There is a right heap of shit on the 1 today. The state of the bus is ridiculous. It's an ALX400 in the first version of the NXWM livery and it looks like it's come straight out of Syria.
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
It must be one of the new transfers as I don't think I've seen one in such a state before at AG.
There is a right heap of shit on the 1 today. The state of the bus is ridiculous. It's an ALX400 in the first version of the NXWM livery and it looks like it's come straight out of Syria.
Just as worse as the Scrappy Presidents?
@MW
Quote from: Jack B on June 02, 2017, 06:01:04 PM
Just as worse as the Scrappy Presidents? @MW
Some of the B7TL ALX400 look worse than the Presidents did, in my opinion.
Quote from: Jack B on June 02, 2017, 06:01:04 PM
Just as worse as the Scrappy Presidents? @MW
Worse than the Plaxtons. The one I saw anyway. I didn't get the fleet number.
On the other hand, there's a prestine looking 4500 on the 37. Must be a recent one. 4506 is also on the 37.
Quote from: 2206 on June 02, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
Some of the B7TL ALX400 look worse than the Presidents did, in my opinion.
Did you ever see 4033? That was horrible! Everytime I rode it, it rattled like mad, and the seats were REALLY tired.
Quote from: Jack B on June 02, 2017, 06:04:27 PM
Did you ever see 4033? That was horrible! Everytime I rode it, it rattled like mad, and the seats were REALLY tired.
I've driven that one. Yeah the cab rattled a lot. It drove me mad. I made up a fault to get it swapped for a Gemini once lol.
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 06:03:42 PM
Worse than the Plaxtons. The one I saw anyway. I didn't get the fleet number.
On the other hand, there's a prestine looking 4500 on the 37. Must be a recent one. 4506 is also on the 37.
4506 was a good one at PB. 4529 is my favourite at AG, has a nice loud whine when it pulls away.
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 06:05:37 PM
I've driven that one. Yeah the cab rattled a lot. It drove me mad. I made up a fault to get it swapped for a Gemini once lol.
Yeh the cab door rattled a lot. The rear upper deck seats wouldn't stop shaking and rattling when it was stationary, a lot of people thought it would explode lol
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 06:03:42 PM
Worse than the Plaxtons. The one I saw anyway. I didn't get the fleet number.
On the other hand, there's a prestine looking 4500 on the 37. Must be a recent one. 4506 is also on the 37.
It will be one of 4226 or 4233, both will go in for quicky repaints as soon as all the transfers are sorted
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
It will be one of 4226 or 4233, both will go in for quicky repaints as soon as all the transfers are sorted
Will 4253 get a quick repaint?
Quote from: 2206 on June 02, 2017, 06:14:36 PM
Will 4253 get a quick repaint?
All the B7s with connection bars will
And hopefully if there are any badly worn/faded original seats they will get replaced as well. After all, the passengers on the 1 have recently been used to regular fancy platinums - albiet temporarily
Don't worry, Dundee will soldier on with our 10 17 year old Presidents and 18 13 year old Geminis, bring back the Ailsa, they lasted 18 years!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 02, 2017, 08:16:13 PM
Don't worry, Dundee will soldier on with our 10 17 year old Presidents and 18 13 year old Geminis, bring back the Ailsa, they lasted 18 years!
I'm sure you guys got the better Plaxtons sent up to you. Those 10 you've got are in better nick than some of these 42xx ALX400s.
Quote from: MW on June 02, 2017, 09:50:12 PM
I'm sure you guys got the better Plaxtons sent up to you. Those 10 you've got are in better nick than some of these 42xx ALX400s.
The 46XX Gemini and 7001 - 7010 have all been repainted and refurbished in the past 2 years, so those Gemini should be in no worse state than our Gemini at Acocks Green and Perry Barr. Its just 7011 - 7018 that haven't been repainted and refurbished.
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
It will be one of 4226 or 4233, both will go in for quicky repaints as soon as all the transfers are sorted
Shouldn't take long to sort out the transfers, basically a few fleet names and a bunch of number stickers. These should all be in the paintshop stores 8)
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2017, 06:13:02 PM
It will be one of 4226 or 4233, both will go in for quicky repaints as soon as all the transfers are sorted
Looking at the photos of both buses, it looks like it was 4226. I don't know if its a scrape or rust, but it had whatever it is that's underneath the offside NXWM logo on the bus.
Blimey, that photo of 4226 is taken in 2014, and it was a state back then!
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2017, 04:26:56 AM
Looking at the photos of both buses, it looks like it was 4226. I don't know if its a scrape or rust, but it had whatever it is that's underneath the offside NXWM logo on the bus.
Blimey, that photo of 4226 is taken in 2014, and it was a state back then!
I think its surface rust? Not sure. Yeh a few PB's ALX400's had that before repaint, 4285, 4289.
Lol 4226 was my favourite WB ALX400.
Quote from: Jack B on June 03, 2017, 09:47:01 AM
I think its surface rust? Not sure. Yeh a few PB's ALX400's had that before repaint, 4285, 4289.
Lol 4226 was my favourite WB ALX400.
Aluminium doesn't rust
Saw 1925 earlier in Newtown. Heading for PB most likely.
Quote from: Jack B on June 03, 2017, 09:00:39 PM
Saw 1925 earlier in Newtown. Heading for PB most likely.
Yes, transfer from YW to PB.
So are YW losing all their Scanias? Seems that way doesn't it?
That's 37 single decks. I can't see them getting 37 E200s from AG. If they get at least 2231-2250, that's 20. Will something be converted to double deck I wonder?
I'm sure the mystery will be solved as we'll probably find out tomorrow
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2017, 10:44:55 PM
So are YW losing all their Scanias? Seems that way doesn't it?
That's 37 single decks. I can't see them getting 37 E200s from AG. If they get at least 2231-2250, that's 20. Will something be converted to double deck I wonder?
I'm sure the mystery will be solved as we'll probably find out tomorrow
B7RLEs from BC perhaps (pure speculation)?
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2017, 10:44:55 PM
So are YW losing all their Scanias? Seems that way doesn't it?
That's 37 single decks. I can't see them getting 37 E200s from AG. If they get at least 2231-2250, that's 20. Will something be converted to double deck I wonder?
I'm sure the mystery will be solved as we'll probably find out tomorrow
Not all of them
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2017, 10:44:55 PM
So are YW losing all their Scanias? Seems that way doesn't it?
That's 37 single decks. I can't see them getting 37 E200s from AG. If they get at least 2231-2250, that's 20. Will something be converted to double deck I wonder?
I'm sure the mystery will be solved as we'll probably find out tomorrow
YW are having 21 E200s, some Scanias are staying for the 27.
6 getting an upgrade then. Does Stratford Rd cope with all these little buses?
OK
Here's what's happened/happening
4157; 4161; 4164 BC-WA (+4167 later in the month)
4129 BC-reserve but along with reserve 4192 to CV
1898-907/25/6/8-33/5 YW-PB (+1927 & 1934 later in the month)
2230-6/8-43/5-50 AG-YW (some still to move today; 2237/44 later in the month)
4163/8/70 BC-WN (+4171/84 still to move)
4173 BC-PN
4130/2/60/62/81/3 BC-reserve
4156/65 BC-withdrawn for scrap
4225-31/3/4 WB-AG
4237/9-41/3-5/77 PB-WB (4237/9/43 still to move)
4242; 4500/1/3/5-7 PB-AG (4507 still to move; 4502/4 later in the month)
4384/5 YW-BC
4928/9 PB-BC
Interesting. So with BC not losing any B7RLEs, presumably these will be used to supplement double decks on the more frequent 60, and increasingly so on the 29 and probably 24 too.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 04, 2017, 07:46:12 AM
6 getting an upgrade then. Does Stratford Rd cope with all these little buses?
6 and 37 cope just fine with single decks as they are the two most frequent services. The only time there are crowding issues is when gaps in service appear and buses start bunching.
Don't forget, the E200 MMCs are the full-length version, and actually have more seating capacity than the Omnilinks (as well as being less cramped).
Where will the extra B7RLE not on the 98/X64 be used
@Tony?
Quote from: 2206 on June 04, 2017, 11:09:17 AM
Where will the extra B7RLE not on the 98/X64 be used @Tony?
29
4157 is out at WA today on the 10/A.
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2017, 08:34:35 AM
OK
Here's what's happened/happening
4157; 4161; 4164 BC-WA (+4167 later in the month)
4129 BC-reserve but along with reserve 4192 to CV
1898-907/25/6/8-33/5 YW-PB (+1927 & 1934 later in the month)
2230-6/8-43/5-50 AG-YW (some still to move today; 2237/44 later in the month)
4163/8/70 BC-WN (+4171/84 still to move)
4173 BC-PN
4130/2/60/62/81/3 BC-reserve
4156/65 BC-withdrawn for scrap
4225-31/3/4 WB-AG
4237/9-41/3-5/77 PB-WB (4237/9/43 still to move)
4242; 4500/1/3/5-7 PB-AG (4507 still to move; 4502/4 later in the month)
4384/5 YW-BC
4928/9 PB-BC
Incorporating all those changes (even the ones occurring later in the month) I think this is [or will be] the breakdown of active bus types at each garage:
Acocks Green
29 E200MMC (2201-29)
23 B7/ALX (4225-31/33-34/42/4292-304)
79 Gemini (4500-19/21-34; 4635-79)
10 E400MMC (6701-10)
___
141
Birmingham Central
32 B7RLE (2078-80/2124-52)
72 Trident (4148/66/69/72/76-77/79/85; 4384-85; 4440-9/55-74; 4594-96; 4606-34)
51 E400 (4871-80/95-913/928-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
30 E400MMC (6825-54)
___
203
Bordesley
49 Scania (1788-1836)
__
49
Coventry
10 E200 (840-4/71-5)
25 B7RLE (2153-77)
47 Trident (4144/90/203-4/6-24; 4396-4414/50-4)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
8 O530G (6013-15/17-21)
___
154 [+4129/92]
Pensnett
22 E200 (758-60/801-4/23-30/64-70)
31 B7RLE (2081-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
23 Trident (4173/80/93-98; 4425-39)
30 E400MMC (6101-22; 6711-18)
___
111
Perry Barr
4 E200 (761-4)
51 Scania (1863-77; 1898-907/25-35; 7019-33)
14 B7/ALX (4278-91)
35 Gemini (4475-4499; 4687-96)
5 Scania DD (4777-81)
44 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-56)
29 E400MMC (6796-6824)
___
182
Walsall
6 E200 (855-60)
46 Scania (1837-62/78-97)
32 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-9)
42 Trident (4125-7/54-55/57/61/64/67; 4305-9/26-32/46-54/56-58; 4597-605)
19 E400 (4733-7; 4857-70)
40 E400MMC (6719-58)
___
185
West Bromwich
29 E200 (753-57; 805-9/13-22/31-9)
19 Scania (1918/36-53)
40 B7/ALX (4235-37/39-41/43-54/56-77)
72 E400 (4738-62; 4914-27; 4950-82)
___
160
Wolverhampton
18 E200 (751-2; 810-12/45-54/61-3)
52 B7RLE (2001-29/59-77; 2120-3)
84 Trident (4133-37/39-43/45-47/49-53/63/68/70-71/84; 4310-25; 4535-64/78-92)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
212
Yardley Wood
15 Scania (1909-17/19-24)
21 E200MMC (2230-50)
59 Trident (4333-35/37-40/42-45/59-83/86-95; 4565-77)
16 E400 (4698; 4718-32)
26 E400MMC (6123-48)
___
137
Total 1534
Apologies if there are any errors/omissions/incorrect totals. I have excluded driver/static trainers (total 34), the Health Bus (1), preserved 3225 (1) and the reserve/withdrawn fleet (which I think now totals 69 if 4129/4192/4201 are included - I've lost track of the whereabouts of 4201!).
BC's allocation has dropped by over 10% since the end of April. I had circa 226 allocated to BC up until the withdrawal of the 99 / prior to BC's E200's being transferred elsewhere. Since falling to 220, and now down by a further 17 due to the 4th June changes.....
Quote from: Winston on June 05, 2017, 03:54:46 PM
BC's allocation has dropped by over 10% since the end of April. I had circa 226 allocated to BC up until the withdrawal of the 99 / prior to BC's E200's being transferred elsewhere. Since falling to 220, and now down by a further 17 due to the 4th June changes.....
It seems that way! BC has taken a real hit, its been overtaken by Wolves too. West Brom's total has dipped slightly (compared to the 165-167 of old). Dear old CV is still hovering around 154-156 (I can recall 164 being the garage total c.1994). PB & WA don't appear to have changed greatly, while YW & AG seem to have undergone a minor trim.
Quote from: paulb1973 on June 05, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
It seems that way! BC has taken a real hit, its been overtaken by Wolves too. West Brom's total has dipped slightly (compared to the 165-167 of old). Dear old CV is still hovering around 154-156 (I can recall 164 being the garage total c.1994). PB & WA don't appear to have changed greatly, while YW & AG seem to have undergone a minor trim.
WN is approaching it's all time high allocation of circa 220.
The overall NXWM allocation had been steadily growing, however, as a result of the East Birmingham cuts, it's going the opposite way again.
Well the us division is in the )hit isn't it
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 05, 2017, 06:05:49 PM
Well the us division is in the )hit isn't it
The majority of NX Group is performing well, growing both profits & turnover including the US. NXWM part of the UK Bus Division (inc Dundee) are far from being in the sh*t, but profits have peaked and are now falling, whilst turnover growth is also now stagnating.....
As an example between NX UK Bus & First UK Bus:
NX (UK Bus):
Turnover = £287 Million
Operating Profit = £35.5 Million
First (UK Bus)
Turnover = £862 Million
Operating Profit = £37 Million
First's Bus Fleet is approx 4 x larger than NX
Quote from: Winston on June 05, 2017, 05:48:21 PM
WN is approaching it's all time high allocation of circa 220.
The overall NXWM allocation had been steadily growing, however, as a result of the East Birmingham cuts, it's going the opposite way again.
213 when all of BC's buses turn up.
i take it back though, but i will say those are not the greatest profits margins. No wonder you dont get that many independents these days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 05, 2017, 08:29:07 PM
i take it back though, but i will say those are not the greatest profits margins. No wonder you dont get that many independents these days.
Long gone are the days of WMT/TWM earning 20-25% profit margins, Tayside produced similar margins in the early years following takeover, they are now generating approx 6% margins from memory.
Could Dundee be sold off as it's soo far from the West Midlands and giving them brums Geminis must have cost a lot to send up there ? It must cost a lot to have its own operations team i.e. directors, managers, HR and supervisors
Who's to say that isn't in the pipeline? there's no NX branding on our buses now, it's Xplore Dundee
You have to remember we are 11 years into an austerity programme - two of the major groups are investigating wider use of minibuses - this is because making a profit from running buses is becoming harder especially in some types of areas like small towns.
This is not new - the last time such a government programme operated lots of areas were subjected to horrendous bread van type transport, eventually extending to larger built up areas such as Torbay etc, whilst other public services reached collapse.
So groups finding it harder to make profits is a phenomena likely to get worse, not better - as costs all around have increased and will eventually find their way into either reduced service standards, lower profit to turnover or higher customer costs - more likely a combination of the three.
Quote from: don on June 05, 2017, 11:51:04 PM
You have to remember we are 11 years into an austerity programme - two of the major groups are investigating wider use of minibuses - this is because making a profit from running buses is becoming harder especially in some types of areas like small towns.
This is not new - the last time such a government programme operated lots of areas were subjected to horrendous bread van type transport, eventually extending to larger built up areas such as Torbay etc, whilst other public services reached collapse.
So groups finding it harder to make profits is a phenomena likely to get worse, not better - as costs all around have increased and will eventually find their way into either reduced service standards, lower profit to turnover or higher customer costs - more likely a combination of the three.
Minibuses that greatly increased patronage you mean?
@paulb1973 I must commend yourself for compiling a fairly easy to understand yet a concise list.
Quite surprised to see BC has gone down to 2nd in terms of vehicles allocated although if the B7RLE's transferred out then that number would further go down.
Nice to see AG getting more Geminis ;)
Little ol BY is just treading along with 49 buses !
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 06, 2017, 12:25:18 AM
Minibuses that greatly increased patronage you mean?
A moot point - if you have to wait until the 6th one to arrive to actually get on, and then get subjected to a bone shaking ride (no ride at all if you're disabled) and very likely to have to stand - then that is just a s**t service designed to line the pockets of the provider. I'm describing Torquay, which also has quite a large population of elderly people and for whom bus travel was pergatory at the hands of the entrepreneur.
Look at it now it's run by Stagecoach - modern vehicles for the most part - trunk routes on a high frequency and very good patronage (deckers running to capacity in the summer).
That is why I'm worried about going backwards. Remember back then the PM of the day was famously quoted as saying buses were provided for losers. I think the view of the Tory party may have shifted a bit since then as they seem willing to invest in rail to an extent these days but they're also not very clear on their overall transport policy.
Another big fan of Paul Burr's lists here.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 06, 2017, 12:56:25 AM
@paulb1973 I must commend yourself for compiling a fairly easy to understand yet a concise list.
Quite surprised to see BC has gone down to 2nd in terms of vehicles allocated although if the B7RLE's transferred out then that number would further go down.
Nice to see AG getting more Geminis ;)
Little ol BY is just treading along with 49 buses !
I have that list on a Word document, so easy to update - it was a actually a style used by Tony when lots of transfers occurred last year. I just carried it on.
For completeness this should be the Xplore Dundee active [bus & coach] fleet barring any further withdrawals:
2 Volvo B9R/Caetano (111-2)
5 Wright StreetLite (431-5)
4 Dennis Dart/E200 (731-4)
43 Volvo B7RLE (1774-87; 2030-58)
10 Volvo B7TL/President (4025-26/28/36/76/117/121-124)
43 Volvo B7TL/Wright Gemini (4680-6; 4700-17; 7001-18)
9 ADL E400H (5422-30)
1 Volvo B7L/Wright (7067)
___
117
Other Xplore Dundee vehicles:
Crew Bus 7427 (SP16 UZU) [1]
Trainers 1366/7151 [2]
I have 34 as the total for the NX Training fleet (one further 14xx example and 4131/4520/4697 are new additions) :
1344-45/49-50/55/68/77/84-86; 1408/21/32/34/50/52; 1462-Static Trainer; 1501/5/8-9/12/14; 1689; 3601; 4131; 4520; 4697; 9023 (M723 KPD);
9057 (BT57 ENJ); 9315 (P315 DVE); 9951/9959; 9xxx (BX54 ZWV).
The NXWM withdrawn/reserve fleet totals 69 (listed below) assuming no further sales have taken place:
687(PN) [1]
1427(PN)/1436(WA)/1447(MS)/1449(MS)/1461(MS) [5]
1507(MS) [1]
1589(PN)/1647(PN) [2]
4023(GB)/4032(PN)/4033(MS)/4062(MS)/4063(MS)/4065(PN)/4066(PN)/4067(MS)/4068(PN)/4070(MS)/4071(MS)/4072(PN)/4073(PN)/4079(PN)
4087(MS)/4094(MS)/4097(??)/4100(MS)/4104(GB) [19]
(GB = with Green Bus)
4128(PN)/4129res/4130r(??)/4132r(??)/4138(PN)/4156(??)/4158r(MS)/4159r(MS)/4160r(??)/4162r(??)/4165(??)/4174(BC)/4175r(MS)/4181r(??)/4182r(MS)
4183r(??)/4186(MS)/4187r(MS)/4188r(MS)/4189r(MS)/4191(PN)/4192res/4199(??)/4200(??)/4201res/4202(PN)/4205(CV) [27]
(Garage reserves: 4129 at CV / 4192 at CV / 4201 – unallocated)
4232(MS) [1]
6012(CV)/6016(CV) [2]
6022(MS)/6023(MS)/6024(MS)/6025(MS)/6026(MS)/6027(MS)/6028(MS)/6029(MS)/6030(MS)/6031(MS)/6032(MS) [11 - all in reserve]
Some of these locations may be out of date. Do the Green Bus still hold onto 4023/4104? - if they had those in the first place.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 06, 2017, 12:56:25 AM
Quite surprised to see BC has gone down to 2nd in terms of vehicles allocated although if the B7RLE's transferred out then that number would further go down.
The reduced vehicle requirement at BC from 4th June has allowed all non-compliant Y-reg Tridents to be cascaded elsewhere or withdrawn, the spare B7RLE's from the 58 & 59 are staying as a result
The following reserve Tridents are currently the 'active' reserve fleet so will turn up at various places
4129; 4192 (currently at Coventry but probably moving very soon)
4162; 4169; 4183 (currently at BC and may appear tomorrow on the 501, but will probably move elsewhere afterwards)
4171 at pn on 246 today
Quote from: Winston on June 06, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
The reduced vehicle requirement at BC from 4th June has allowed all non-compliant Y-reg Tridents to be cascaded elsewhere or withdrawn, the spare B7RLE's from the 58 & 59 are staying as a result
I would imagine the spare B7RLEs could be prime candidates for loan vehicles as BC have a fair few spares lying around.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 06, 2017, 11:09:18 PM
I would imagine the spare B7RLEs could be prime candidates for loan vehicles as BC have a fair few spares lying around.
There are no spare B7RLE's, the 29 has pretty much gone back to single deckers to allow the Y-reg Tridents to be removed from BC's allocation
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
The following reserve Tridents are currently the 'active' reserve fleet so will turn up at various places
4129; 4192 (currently at Coventry but probably moving very soon)
4162; 4169; 4183 (currently at BC and may appear tomorrow on the 501, but will probably move elsewhere afterwards)
4132 & 4181 also still currently active at BC
1927; 1934 now moved YW - PB completing Scania moves
4169 still at BC. On the97 today.
4502 on the 72.
4184 has made the move to WN today, a bit behind the others
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2017, 04:58:55 PM
4184 has made the move to WN today, a bit behind the others
has 4171 gone to Wn now ?
Quote from: karl724223 on June 12, 2017, 05:26:55 PM
has 4171 gone to Wn now ?
It went from BC to WN, but they loaned it to PN. Now back at WN as it's needed for the extra 79s.
Pensnett are only having 4173
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2017, 05:29:46 PM
It went from BC to WN, but they loaned it to PN. Now back at WN as it's needed for the extra 79s.
Pensnett are only having 4173
Whoopee More Tridents on my local Decker operated Route Why are there more 79's is it for Crimson to WV's Tridents if so Yippee Again
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 12, 2017, 05:39:39 PM
Whoopee More Tridents on my local Decker operated Route Why are there more 79's is it for Crimson to WV's Tridents if so Yippee Again
dont you read other posts it's for the 79 due to tram being closed to wolves for six months for god sake yippee
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 12, 2017, 05:39:39 PM
Whoopee More Tridents on my local Decker operated Route Why are there more 79's is it for Crimson to WV's Tridents if so Yippee Again
No Tridents at WN will get Crimsoned.
@BusFan94
Quote from: karl724223 on June 12, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
dont you read other posts it's for the 79 due to tram being closed to wolves for six months for god sake yippee
Which post was that - I recall the tram replacement being mentioned but not the ex BC 41xx Tridents in that context.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 12, 2017, 05:42:25 PM
dont you read other posts it's for the 79 due to tram being closed to wolves for six months for god sake yippee
Oh ok Well I'm exited because every time I spot at Darlo it is the same buses. But I'm sure I saw an unbranded platinum on the 79 the once but it might have been going to that place on the Darlo road where a 126 branded bus has come from before
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 12, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Oh ok Well I'm exited because every time I spot at Darlo it is the same buses. But I'm sure I saw an unbranded platinum on the 79 the once but it might have been going to that place on the Darlo road where a 126 branded bus has come from before
You do realise that those exact ex BC 41xx's won't solely be used on the 79?
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 12, 2017, 07:23:49 PM
Oh ok Well I'm exited because every time I spot at Darlo it is the same buses. But I'm sure I saw an unbranded platinum on the 79 the once but it might have been going to that place on the Darlo road where a 126 branded bus has come from before
Well I for one am glad we got that sorted out definitively. :o
4169 reserve - reinstated to Wolverhampton
4184 withdrawn
4170 seen on WN79 at 07:45AM in Darlaston is this a loan
@Tony
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 19, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
4170 seen on WN79 at 07:45AM in Darlaston is this a loan @Tony
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg215457#msg215457
Quote from: BusFan94 on June 19, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
4170 seen on WN79 at 07:45AM in Darlaston is this a loan @Tony
@BusFan94 - Check the NX fleetchanges on the main site before posting in future, Winston
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4167 BC-WA
only two outstanding transfers to happen
2244 AG-YW
4504 PB-AG (At Hartshornes for engine work)
+ BC are still using 4130; 4162 & 4181 from reserve
Quote from: Tony on June 20, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
4167 BC-WA
only two outstanding transfers to happen
2244 AG-YW
4504 PB-AG (At Hartshornes for engine work)
+ BC are still using 4130; 4162 & 4181 from reserve
4132 is also still in use at BC, it was on the X70 yesterday.
Quote from: Tony on June 20, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
4167 BC-WA
only two outstanding transfers to happen
2244 AG-YW
4504 PB-AG (At Hartshornes for engine work)
+ BC are still using 4130; 4162 & 4181 from reserve
Tony, what about 4243? Currently dumped on Perry Barr drive with 96 on the display and red stickered. Been there a few days now
Quote from: John on June 20, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
Tony, what about 4243? Currently dumped on Perry Barr drive with 96 on the display and red stickered. Been there a few days now
Still got to physically move, but is a WB vehicle as soon as PB fix it
I,ve noticed some of the add blue ALX 400 volvos at west brom have had quick repaints Tony was,nt joking just a quickie, big dents scrapes just left as they were , these look far worse now as the shiny paint just high lights all the flaws.
753 WB - WN
812 WN - WB
Been told that 4345 has transferred to WN from YW.
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 31, 2017, 05:00:49 PM
Been told that 4345 has transferred to WN from YW.
Correct, it was collected this morning.
Seen 2244 on YW6 today can anybody confirm if 2244 has now transferred to YW? :)
2244 moved a few weeks ago.
4439 PN-BC
Currently on the X70
Is this short term, and what's replaced it ?
@Tony
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2017, 08:39:17 AM
4439 PN-BC
Currently on the X70
Hopefully it's not temporary, hopefully some Urban 2's could be swapped with some PE 44** Tridents so the 29 can be DD.
Quote from: Jack on September 18, 2017, 03:26:16 PM
Hopefully it's not temporary, hopefully some Urban 2's could be swapped with some PE 44** Tridents so the 29 can be DD.
And what exactly could you see the B7s going on? There's nothing really that's double deck allocated, that could be converted to single deck operation
Quote from: Dom on September 18, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
And what exactly could you see the B7s going on? There's nothing really that's double deck allocated, that could be converted to single deck operation
868-246 today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 18, 2017, 04:16:03 PM
Double deck route
That doesn't mean it will change straight to E200!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 18, 2017, 04:16:03 PM
Double deck route
So? B7s appear on the 9 quote regularly, can that become B7 operated?
Quote from: Dom on September 18, 2017, 04:19:28 PM
So? B7s appear on the 9 quote regularly, can that become B7 operated?
Someone asked what is replacing 4439
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 18, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Someone asked what is replacing 4439
868 has been at Pensnett since it was new?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 18, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Someone asked what is replacing 4439
*dig dig dig* deep hole you've got there!
4359 YW-WA
Has 4435 permanently transferred to YW or is it a loan?
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 31, 2017, 07:47:29 AM
Has 4435 permanently transferred to YW or is it a loan?
loan
4142 WN - CV
A couple of short term transfers happening this weekend. Can't give you fleet numbers as garages have a choice of vehicles to send, but watch out for something different at both BC & PN on Monday
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2017, 08:13:55 AM
A couple of short term transfers happening this weekend. Can't give you fleet numbers as garages have a choice of vehicles to send, but watch out for something different at both BC & PN on Monday
Could it be a type of vehicle that Pensnett drivers will require type training on?
4147 WN to PN, first init machine at PN
4180 PN to BC
From the buses to find post CV are to gain BC B7's.
@Tony are CV getting all the 13 b7s that are leaving BC
Quote from: Chris on December 05, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
From the buses to find post CV are to gain BC B7's. @Tony are CV getting all the 13 b7s that are leaving BC
No
Quote from: Chris on December 05, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
From the buses to find post CV are to gain BC B7's. @Tony are CV getting all the 13 b7s that are leaving BC
Are BC losing all of 2078-80/2124-52? (assume they are if 38 new buses are being introduced). CV still have a few Bendi's to get rid of, but 13 B7RLE's seems a lot to gain.
(Edit, just seen Tony's post above)
4928 & 4936 BC-WB
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 05, 2017, 02:25:19 PM
Are BC losing all of 2078-80/2124-52? (assume they are if 38 new buses are being introduced). CV still have a few Bendi's to get rid of, but 13 B7RLE's seems a lot to gain.
(Edit, just seen Tony's post above)
Routes 98 and X64 (or their potential replacements dependent on the eventual outcome of the South Birmingham Network review) will continue to need single deckers - so there will be an ongoing requirement for some B7RLEs at BC.
Quote from: Mike K on December 05, 2017, 02:35:57 PM
Routes 98 and X64 (or their potential replacements dependent on the eventual outcome of the South Birmingham Network review) will continue to need single deckers - so there will be an ongoing requirement for some B7RLEs at BC.
With Coventry's B7RLE's starting at fleet number 2153, it would seem logical to tag some of BC's highest numbered examples onto that batch. So the lower numbered ones may be staying?
I'd agree with that. I guess we will have to see what is sent to Walsall for repaint......
4929 BC - WB
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
4929 BC - WB
Been reported that 4931 has also gone too?
Will these E400s going to WB mean the 120 can go double decker? It often gets quite packed.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 07, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Will these E400s going to WB mean the 120 can go double decker? It often gets quite packed.
No
4931 BC-WB
4277 WB - PB
Transfers so far happened due to the new buses
2148 BC-CV
4250; 4256 WB-AG
4276; 4277 WB-PB (but both on loan to AG)
4385 BC-YW
4928; 4929; 4931; 4932; 4936 BC-WB
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2017, 02:26:54 PM
Transfers so far happened due to the new buses
2148 BC-CV
4250; 4256 WB-AG
4276; 4277 WB-PB (but both on loan to AG)
4385 BC-YW
4928; 4929; 4931; 4932; 4936 BC-WB
4934 has also now transferred to West Bromwich. Saw it on the 80/A earlier.
4171 & 4169 WN - reserve
4171 currently on way to BC with staff to collect
2078; 2079 BC - WN
4440 4442/3 bc to pn last night
Still with old ticket machines fitted
Quote from: karl724223 on December 14, 2017, 11:26:31 AM
4440 4442/3 bc to pn last night
Still with old ticket machines fitted
4443 straight out on the 140.
Quote from: Dom on December 14, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
4443 straight out on the 140.
think 4442 on there as well
Will pensnett get 4439-4449? Signalling the end of the Y reg tridents at PN?
There was one in Stourbridge at 15:05 presume it was was waiting for service on 246
List so far
2078; 2079 BC-WN;
2148 BC-CV(at Walsall for refurb)
4169 WN-reserve;
4171 WN-reserve(being checked out for conversion to trainer)
4185 BC-reserve (at Pensnett in service);
4193 PN-withdrawn;
4250/6 WB-AG;
4276/7 WB-PB(currently on loan to AG);
4385 BC-YW
4440/2/3 BC-PN;
4928/9/31/2/4/6 BC-WB
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
List so far
2078; 2079 BC-WN;
2148 BC-CV(at Walsall for refurb)
4169 WN-reserve;
4171 WN-reserve(being checked out for conversion to trainer)
4185 BC-reserve (at Pensnett in service);
4193 PN-withdrawn;
4250/6 WB-AG;
4276/7 WB-PB(currently on loan to AG);
4385 BC - YW
4440/2/3 BC-PN;
4928/9/31/2/4/6 BC-WB
Should that also include 4385 BC-YW as per your post a couple of days ago?
Quote from: Mike K on December 14, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
Should that also include 4385 BC-YW as per your post a couple of days ago?
Yes
So at the moment, based on what's moved already I'm thinking (or educated guessing - some are obvious):
2080 to WN along with 2078/9
4384 to join 4385 at YW
2143 to 2152 to CV, with 2148 already confirmed as moving
4439 to 4443 to PN
4928 to 4936 to WB to complete that block of numbers
That would make 30 vehicles.
Then it's a case of whether more Y reg Tridents will move, more 44xx will go to PN, and / or 4937 and upwards move to WB.
Quote from: Mike K on December 14, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
So at the moment, based on what's moved already I'm thinking (or educated guessing - some are obvious):
2080 to WN along with 2078/9
4384 to join 4385 at YW
2143 to 2152 to CV, with 2148 already confirmed as moving
4439 to 4443 to PN
4928 to 4936 to WB to complete that block of numbers
That would make 30 vehicles.
Then it's a case of whether more Y reg Tridents will move, more 44xx will go to PN, and / or 4937 and upwards move to WB.
Add 4185
(because the new buses will need to go back to Alexander Dennis for the smart Hybrid conversions, they will not initially displace 38 vehicles out)
4596 has now transferred to Walsall. It's on WA7 today I'm told.
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
Add 4185
(because the new buses will need to go back to Alexander Dennis for the smart Hybrid conversions, they will not initially displace 38 vehicles out)
If this smart hybrid technology proves to be successful would other MMC,s have the tech retro fitted if cost effective, I am thinking probably not , I assume these new MMC,s are pre wired up to receive the smart hybrid technology
Quote from: Mike K on December 14, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
So at the moment, based on what's moved already I'm thinking (or educated guessing - some are obvious):
2080 to WN along with 2078/9
4384 to join 4385 at YW
2143 to 2152 to CV, with 2148 already confirmed as moving
4439 to 4443 to PN
4928 to 4936 to WB to complete that block of numbers
That would make 30 vehicles.
Then it's a case of whether more Y reg Tridents will move, more 44xx will go to PN, and / or 4937 and upwards move to WB.
This is always great fun as an enthusiast, second guessing what the fleet manager will do!! My guess is that some more E400s will transfer to Covemtry as well - it remains to be seen what colour 4877 appears in but my guess is possibly 4876-4880 and maybe a few from 4896 upwards - given they have around 30 vehicles to replace there in the immediate future and another 20 odd slightly later. You could imagine 15 or more involved in this tranche. I would have expected Dundee and Coventry to be involved in the next 220 new vehicles to end of 2019.
Noting Tony's comment about cover for the new MMCs to be hybridised, but also aren't there 5 buses coming spare from the Wolverhampton/Bilston Metro replacement? Thus possibly 43 withdrawals/reserve transfers ultimately - will this include some of the poorest B7TLs at WB and AG as well as aging Tridents - I do fear for 4194's continued service.....(the bus not the person 😉 )
No doubt all speculation but a nice diversion from Christmas shopping haha.......
Quote from: don on December 15, 2017, 09:57:45 AM
This is always great fun as an enthusiast, second guessing what the fleet manager will do!! My guess is that some more E400s will transfer to Covemtry as well - it remains to be seen what colour 4877 appears in but my guess is possibly 4876-4880 and maybe a few from 4896 upwards - given they have around 30 vehicles to replace there in the immediate future and another 20 odd slightly later. You could imagine 15 or more involved in this tranche. I would have expected Dundee and Coventry to be involved in the next 220 new vehicles to end of 2019.
Noting Tony's comment about cover for the new MMCs to be hybridised, but also aren't there 5 buses coming spare from the Wolverhampton/Bilston Metro replacement? Thus possibly 43 withdrawals/reserve transfers ultimately - will this include some of the poorest B7TLs at West Bromwich and Perry Barr as well as aging Tridents - I do fear for 4194's continued service.....(the bus not the person 😉 )
No doubt all speculation but a nice diversion from Christmas shopping haha.......
It would be a lot more difficult. These buses have a big empty space in the engine compartment where the capacitor will go
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
It would be a lot more difficult. These buses have a big empty space in the engine compartment where the capacitor will go
I assume above the gearbox the capacitor will be placed, I am more interested in the nuts and bolts of buses how they,re made up is where my interest is ,rather than the endless crap the no9 left Halesowen bus station exactly 4.5 minutes late followed by 3 more blah blah.
The only article I,ve read on smart hybrids which goes into some detail is on route one, getting rid of the 2 rear inner wheels to save 100 plus kg in weight is smart thinking , tyre pressure warning system would be a legal requirement for a bus using just 4 wheels .
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2017, 06:49:13 PM
List so far
2078; 2079 BC-WN;
2148 BC-CV(at Walsall for refurb)
4169 WN-reserve;
4171 WN-reserve(being checked out for conversion to trainer)
4185 BC-reserve (at Pensnett in service);
4193 PN-withdrawn;
4250/6 WB-AG;
4276/7 WB-PB(currently on loan to AG);
4385 BC-YW
4440/2/3 BC-PN;
4928/9/31/2/4/6 BC-WB
A couple more to add now
4141 WN - reserve
4164 WA - reserve
4171 WN - reserve (unlikely to be a trainer)
4194; 4195; 4197 PN - reserve
4233 AG - reserve
4698 YW - training fleet
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
4698 YW - training fleet
Damn! Should've searched for her. The last time I saw 4698 was at the Maypole near the end of October; she was working a 49E to Longbridge. :'( Oh well, should've known her days were numbered since 4697 moved to the training fleet.
Hoping to see her preserved one day - unless training conversion prevents this possibility? ???
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
A couple more to add now
4141 WN - reserve
4164 WA - reserve
4171 WN - reserve (unlikely to be a trainer)
4194; 4195; 4197 PN - reserve
4233 AG - reserve
4698 YW - training fleet
I've just delivered 4595 BC-WA, 4594 Should go tonight as well, 2150 BC-CV, at Walsall for repaint. 2149 should go tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 04:50:45 PM
I've just delivered 4595 BC-WA, 4594 Should go tonight as well, 2150 BC-CV, at Walsall for repaint. 2149 should go tomorrow
Seems 4596 has already made the journey that 4594-95 are making?
Quote from: CL on December 19, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Damn! Should've searched for her. The last time I saw 4698 was at the Maypole near the end of October; she was working a 49E to Longbridge. :'( Oh well, should've known her days were numbered since 4697 moved to the training fleet.
Hoping to see her preserved one day - unless training conversion prevents this possibility? ???
I'm hoping that conversion to a trainer pretty much ensures it will be kept in a decent condition, so layer preservation would not only be possible but easier than saving from the scrap man
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 04:50:45 PM
I've just delivered 4595 BC-WA, 4594 Should go tonight as well, 2150 BC-CV, at Walsall for repaint. 2149 should go tomorrow
With 2151 and 2152 presumably also on their way to CV, will the names Tony Francis and Pat Hughes be transferred to other vehicles?
Quote from: Mike K on December 19, 2017, 06:26:17 PM
With 2151 and 2152 presumably also on their way to CV, will the names Tony Francis and Pat Hughes be transferred to other vehicles?
No, neither at BC employees anyway, one is at AG the other the training centre, so it doesn't make any difference which garage they are at
4384 was out on the 18 tonight.
Quote from: Kevin on December 19, 2017, 05:46:49 PM
I'm hoping that conversion to a trainer pretty much ensures it will be kept in a decent condition, so layer preservation would not only be possible but easier than saving from the scrap man
providing they avoid low bridges 😀
4933/5 BC - WB
Quote from: 2900 on December 20, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
providing they avoid low bridges 😀
Looks like someone didn't after seeing the news.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 21, 2017, 07:58:37 AM
Looks like someone didn't after seeing the news.
Presumably it was usual driver of the 27 forgetting he/she was in a Trident. It's the bridge at Bournville isn't it? I remember on my training, they told us that the bridge signs all say that the single decker won't fit, but it still does. The instructor tricked someone to drive under the bridge and then asked them if they saw the low bridge sign lol.
But yeah, apparently this bus was NIS and at a guess running back to depot? Probably come off the 76 at QE and down the 11 route and left at Cadbury's? All a guess of course.
4266; 4267 WB - AG
Hello Tony
Thank you for all your hard work maintaing the website and kerping everyone up to date.
I assume AG are receiving these Volvo ALX 400s to cascade some Gemini's to Dundee to see off the last Presidents?
Quote from: Wolves256 on December 21, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Hello Tony
Thank you for all your hard work maintaing the website and kerping everyone up to date.
I assume AG are receiving these Volvo ALX 400s to cascade some Gemini's to Dundee to see off the last Presidents?
No, just working out the best ALX400 to keep
4441 bc to pn
2080 BC-WN today
(did that one myself this morning - currently at WA for Init fitting with 2078 & 2079)
I'm led to believe WN is currently the largest garages (in regards to vehicles allocated) having surpassed BC earlier this year. When the dust settles after all these vehicles move around/ get withdrawn, will BC reclaim that or is it a case of 38 vehicles in, 38 (or more) out so the BC's total allocation remains static or less.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2017, 09:43:03 PM
I'm led to believe WN is currently the largest garages (in regards to vehicles allocated) having surpassed BC earlier this year. When the dust settles after all these vehicles move around/ get withdrawn, will BC reclaim that or is it a case of 38 vehicles in, 38 (or more) out so the BC's total allocation remains static or less.
If it helps, 213 currently at WN
Quote from: BN on December 23, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
If it helps, 213 currently at WN
@BN - I make it 214 @ WN with the arrival of 2080, has another Trident since been withdrawn?
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
@BN - I make it 214 @ WN with the arrival of 2080, has another Trident since been withdrawn?
5409 officially of strength at the moment
4439 back at pn
(Bus and van made it back in one piece)
will wn get 5409 back?
What's happened to 5409?
Quote from: Chris on December 24, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
What's happened to 5409?
Converted engine I believe? All the hybrids are going to have it
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 24, 2017, 08:27:08 PM
Converted engine I believe? All the hybrids are going to have it
Do you mean it's going to be converted to a straight diesel?
From my own notes - I have this as the Wolverhampton allocation (assuming those 41xx Tridents are still there) :
18 E200 (751-53; 810-11/45-54/61-63)
55 B7RLE (2001-29/59-80; 2120-23)
83 Trident (4132-37/39-40/43/45-46/49-53/60/62-63/68/70; 4310-25/45; 4535-64/78-92)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
214
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 25, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
From my own notes - I have this as the Wolverhampton allocation (assuming those 41xx Tridents are still there) :
18 E200 (751-53; 810-11/45-54/61-63)
55 B7RLE (2001-29/59-80; 2120-23)
83 Trident (4132-37/39-40/43/45-46/49-53/60/62-63/68/70; 4310-25/45; 4535-64/78-92)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
214s
As stated by Tony earlier 5409 is officially off the allocation at present
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 24, 2017, 08:27:08 PM
Converted engine I believe? All the hybrids are going to have it
Are they? News to me!
Quote from: mranon on December 24, 2017, 07:59:17 PM
will wn get 5409 back?
Eventually yes, it is having a trial full diesel conversion.
Quote from: BN on December 26, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Eventually yes, it is having a trial full diesel conversion.
Huzzah finally someone confirms it
Quote from: Kevin on December 26, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
Huzzah finally someone confirms it
It's only in the last couple of weeks it's been confirmed. It was undecided whether to redo it as a Hybrid initially
Redo as a smart hybrid? Will 5409 have any body work changed when the battery is removed?
Quote from: BN on December 26, 2017, 02:08:20 PM
Eventually yes, it is having a trial full diesel conversion.
Interesting
I have read about reading buses ADL hybrids under going various types of conversions, the full diesel conversion re,uses the same 4 cylinder cummins engine which powered the generator which is also fitted to the enviro 200 , surely not it would be well underpowered.
Another has vantage power setup.
This might have not been mentioned, unless I have missed it - 4265 is at AG, it was on the 72 today. Perhaps a transfer, or another loan? Are there any other transfers happened over Christmas? Worth a shot asking in case they haven't been reported yet. Thanks.
With regards to the recent transfers - I attempt to update my own notes each time there is a transfer/withdrawal etc. I currently have the NXWM fleet allocation as this:
Acocks Green, 145
2201-29; 4225/27-31/34/42/50/52/56/65-67/92-304; 4500-19/21-34; 4635-79; 6701-10.
Birmingham Central, 216
2124-47/51; 4148/66/72/76-77/79/80/81/83; 4444-49/55-74; 4606-34; 4871-80/95-4913/38-49; 5501-18; 6825-54; 6855-92.
Bordesley, 49
1788-1836.
Coventry, 155 + 1 non-pcv
840-44/71-75; 1687-Health Buzz; 2148-50/52-77; 4129/42/44/90/4203-4/6-23; 4396-4400/2-24; 4450-54; 4763-76; 4830-42; 4881-94; 4983-95; 6014-15/18/20-21.
Pensnett, 112
758-60; 801-4/23-30/64-70; 2081-2111; 3301-5; 4147/73/85/96/98; 4425-43; 6101-22; 6711-18.
Perry Barr, 185
731; 761-64; 1863-77; 1898-907/25-35; 4226/76-91; 4475-99; 4687-96; 4777-80; 4799-4815/17-29; 4843-56; 6796-6824; 7019-33.
Walsall, 188 + 7 NX Coaches on-loan
90-95/135; 855-60; 1750-73; 1837-62/78-97; 2112-19; 4125-27/54-55/57/61/67; 4305-9/26-32/46-54/56-59; 4594-4605; 4733-37; 4857-70; 6719-58.
West Bromwich, 161
754-757; 805-9/12-22/31-39; 1918/36-53; 4235-37/39-41/43-47/49/51/53-54/57-64/68-75; 4738-62; 4914-37; 4950-82.
Wolverhampton, 212 + 1 Preserved
751-3; 810-11/45-54/61-63; 2001-29/59-80/120-23; 2957; 4132-37/39-40/43/45-46/49-50/52-53/60/62-63/68; 4310-25/45; 4535-64/78-92; 5401-21; 6759-95.
Yardley Wood, 136 + 1 Preserved
1909-17/19-24; 2230-50; 3225; 4130; 4333-35/37-40/42-44/60-90/92-95; 4565-77; 4718-32; 6123-48.
Training School, 28
1344-45/49/55/68/77/84-86; 1408/21/32/34/50/52; 1501/5/8-9/12/14; 4131; 4520; 4697; 4698; 9057(BT57 ENJ); 9xxx (BX54 ZWV); C073/TR2 (LK53 KVO).
Withdrawn/Reserve, 51
687(PN)
1427(PN)/1436(WA)/1449(MS)/1461(MS)
1507(MS)
1589*(WA)/1647*(WA)/1689(MS) [1589/1647 to be donated to local schools]
4023*(GB)/4032(PN)/4065(PN)/4066(PN)/4068(PN)/4070(MS)/4071(MS)/4073(PN) [4023 with Green Bus / possibly sold]
4141(WNr)/4151(WN)/4159(MS)/4164(??r)/4169(WN)/4170(??)/4171(MS)/4186(MS)/4187(MS)/4188(WN)/4189(MS)/4193(PN)/4194(PN)/4195(PN)/4197(PN)/4201(MS)
4233(MS)/4248(MS)
4391(YW)/4401(CV?)
4781(PB?)
6012(CV)/6013(CV)/6016(CV)/6017(CV)/6019(CV)
6022(MS)/6024(MS)/6026(MS)/6030(MS)/6031(MS)/6032(MS) [in reserve]
9951(??)/9959(??)
Is this broadly correct? - any updates would be welcome (I'm aware 5409 may not currently be on strength at WN and few more CV Bendi's may have gone). I normally exclude loans but have included garage reserves 4129(CV), 4130(YW) & 4185(PN).
4170 is withdrawn at WN
4188 is withdrawn at MS
9959 is withdrawn at WN
Thanks for the above updates. I have been asked if I could display buses (the main active fleet) allocated by vehicle type, which I think looks like this:
Acocks Green
29 E200MMC (2201-29)
27 B7/ALX (4225/27-31/34/42/50/52/56/65-67/92-304)
79 Gemini (4500-19/21-34; 4635-79)
10 E400MMC (6701-10)
___
145
Birmingham Central
25 B7RLE (2124-47/51)
64 Trident (4148/66/72/76-77/79/80/81/83; 4444-49/55-74; 4606-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
68 E400MMC (6825-92)
___
216
Bordesley
49 Scania (1788-1836)
__
49
Coventry
10 E200 (840-44/71-75)
29 B7RLE (2148-50/52-77)
47 Trident (4129r/42/44/90/203-4/6-23; 4396-400/2-14/50-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
5 O530G (6014-15/18/20-21)
___
155
Pensnett
22 E200 (758-60/801-4/23-30/64-70)
31 B7RLE (2081-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
24 Trident (4147/73/85r/96/98; 4425-43)
30 E400MMC (6101-22; 6711-18)
___
112
Perry Barr
1 Dennis Dart/E200 (731)
4 E200 (761-64)
51 Scania (1863-77; 1898-907/25-35; 7019-33)
17 B7/ALX (4226/76-91)
35 Gemini (4475-99; 4687-96)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
44 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-56)
29 E400MMC (6796-6824)
___
185
Walsall
6 E200 (855-60)
46 Scania (1837-62/78-97)
32 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19)
45 Trident (4125-27/54-55/57/61/67; 4305-9/26-32/46-54/56-59; 4594-4605)
19 E400 (4733-37; 4857-70)
40 E400MMC (6719-58)
___
188
West Bromwich
29 E200 (754-57; 805-9/12-22/31-39)
19 Scania (1918/36-53)
31 B7/ALX (4235-37/39-41/43-47/49/51/53-54/57-64/68-75)
82 E400 (4738-62; 4914-37; 4950-82)
___
161
Wolverhampton
18 E200 (751-53; 810-11/45-54/61-63)
55 B7RLE (2001-29/59-80; 2120-23)
81 Trident (4132-37/39-40/43/45-46/49-50/52-53/60/62-63/68; 4310-25/45; 4535-64/78-92)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
212
Yardley Wood
15 Scania (1909-17/19-24)
21 E200MMC (2230-50)
59 Trident (4130r; 4333-35/37-40/42-44/60-90/92-95; 4565-77)
15 E400 (4718-32)
26 E400MMC (6123-48)
___
136
Total 1559
WB 4261 has retired few days ago,
@paulb1973.
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 07, 2018, 01:47:53 PM
WB 4261 has retired few days ago, @paulb1973.
Thanks. I assume 2151 is a dead-cert BC to CV move at some point, possibly a few more too in the same direction.
Did no-one notice 756 on the WN6 today? now transferred to WN
810 gone the other way
Is 731 at Perry Barr still as the site states it is but wasn't it a short term loan?
Quote from: Chris on January 11, 2018, 08:54:17 PM
Is 731 at Perry Barr still as the site states it is but wasn't it a short term loan?
Tony said it is on loan for a few months.
I wander whether it will go back in service at Dundee now, as 732, 733 and 734 are all withdrawn now?
When did 732-4 get withdrawn?
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2018, 10:42:37 PM
Oct or Nov
They're not actually withdrawn. They are still taxed and MoT'd, just not being used at the moment as the Streetlites are reliable enough for all the minibus requirements
Would NXWM have them off XD?
Quote from: Chris on January 11, 2018, 10:56:26 PM
Would NXWM have them off XD?
If there was a service that they were needed on occurred
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
If there was a service that they were needed on occurred
The SWB E200 are too small for most NXWM services, they might come in handy if NXWM were to win any new TFWM tenders in the April round.
754 & 755 now at WN, bot already out in service as change buses, one on the 27 the other on the 54/154
811 now at WB
I wonder what route these shorties will go on at wn
Quote from: Winston on January 12, 2018, 10:59:04 AM
The SWB E200 are too small for most NXWM services, they might come in handy if NXWM were to win any new TFWM tenders in the April round.
There isn’t that many coming up in this round that NX would need stumpys for. SWB proved no different to LWB except they are smaller so can fit round tighter roads. Plus there isn’t that many tenders in this round, a few of which NX already operate.
Quote from: Dom on January 12, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
There isn't that many coming up in this round that NX would need stumpys for. SWB proved no different to LWB except they are smaller so can fit round tighter roads. Plus there isn't that many tenders in this round, a few of which NX already operate.
A large proportion of potential TfWM tenders the stumpy's could be used on are on tight estate roads etc Those routes are typically spec'd at max vehicle length / capacities which 10.6M 37 seat E200's would be too big for. Routes the likes of Igo / Diamond / Claribels etc typically use Solo's / 8.8m E200's on.
Forgot Oct is typically the main tender changes dependant on the timing of any Network Reviews of course.
Will 757 stay at wb ??? For use on the 44?
Quote from: Dom on January 12, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
There isn't that many coming up in this round that NX would need stumpys for. SWB proved no different to LWB except they are smaller so can fit round tighter roads. Plus there isn't that many tenders in this round, a few of which NX already operate.
Whats up for tender in the April round?
Is the 36 - Sparkhill - Acocks Green - Heartlands Hospital up for tender?
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
Whats up for tender in the April round?
Is the 36 - Sparkhill - Acocks Green - Heartlands Hospital up for tender?
I'm not sure currently as I don't have my work paperwork with me. If I remember I'll have a look later.
Quote from: Dom on January 12, 2018, 05:02:39 PM
I'm not sure currently as I don't have my work paperwork with me. If I remember I'll have a look later.
Are you one of the Centro/TfWM guys who count people on buses?
How are tenders won and lost?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 12, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
How are tenders won and lost?
Operators bid for the contract, highest bidder wins.
Quote from: MW on January 12, 2018, 05:09:43 PM
Are you one of the Centro/TfWM guys who count people on buses?
We do more than just count people on buses ;) but yes I am.
Quote from: Dom on January 12, 2018, 08:42:21 PM
Operators bid for the contract, highest bidder wins.
😂 If only!
Quote from: Dom on January 12, 2018, 08:42:21 PM
Operators bid for the contract, highest bidder wins.
Think you mean lowest bidder wins or best overall package
Will the igo 39 be one of them?
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
Whats up for tender in the April round?
Is the 36 - Sparkhill - Acocks Green - Heartlands Hospital up for tender?
I've sent a FOI Request off to TfWM so we as members of the public shall find out in the next 20 working days, but this is what a FOI in 2017 revealed...
T 100 13 Wednesbury to Dudley
T 217 27 Hawkesley to Kings Heath & Maypole via Northfield & Bourneville
T 316 42/43 Princes End & Bilston/Tipton
T 405 56 City & Coleshill Road / Newport Road and Kingshurst????
T 484 69 Brandwood Park and Shirley via Billesley
T 513 38 Northfield to Selly Oak via Cotteridge
T 592 27 Upper Gornal & Northway - I presume that this is just those two parts
T 601 2 & 3 Warstock / Yardley Wood & City Centre
T 665 36 Sparkbrook Mole St to Heartlands Hosp via Acocks Green
T 667 96 & 99 Lea Village & Lyndon via Acocks Green
T 667 96/99 Lea Village & Lyndon via Acocks Green
T 747 654A Perry Barr One Stop to Hamstead Tanhouse Ave & Valley Rd
T 801 27 West Heath and Maypole
T 816 25 Wednesdfield to Three Tuns
T 820 47/47A Hateley Heath to West Brom
T 828 25 Wolverhampton to Bilston
T 829 10 B'ham Colmore Row to Quinton Rd West via Croftdown Rd
T 839 89 Walsall to Wolverhampton
T 858 10H Birmingham to Quinton
T 1127 2 Warstones & Wolverhampton via Penn Fields
T 1132 3 Castlecroft & Wolverhampton via Finchfield
Quote from: Winston on January 12, 2018, 10:33:03 PM
Think you mean lowest bidder wins or best overall package
Aye that even. Cheers
@Winston. I'm having a shocker tonight.
Quote from: mranon on January 12, 2018, 01:20:30 PM
I wonder what route these shorties will go on at wn
They are for the 27
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 13, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
I've sent a FOI Request off to TfWM so we as members of the public shall find out in the next 20 working days, but this is what a FOI in 2017 revealed...
T 100 13 Wednesbury to Dudley
T 217 27 Hawkesley to Kings Heath & Maypole via Northfield & Bourneville
T 316 42/43 Princes End & Bilston/Tipton
T 405 56 City & Coleshill Road / Newport Road and Kingshurst????
T 484 69 Brandwood Park and Shirley via Billesley
T 513 38 Northfield to Selly Oak via Cotteridge
T 592 27 Upper Gornal & Northway - I presume that this is just those two parts
T 601 2 & 3 Warstock / Yardley Wood & City Centre
T 665 36 Sparkbrook Mole St to Heartlands Hosp via Acocks Green
T 667 96 & 99 Lea Village & Lyndon via Acocks Green
T 667 96/99 Lea Village & Lyndon via Acocks Green
T 747 654A Perry Barr One Stop to Hamstead Tanhouse Ave & Valley Rd
T 801 27 West Heath and Maypole
T 816 25 Wednesdfield to Three Tuns
T 820 47/47A Hateley Heath to West Brom
T 828 25 Wolverhampton to Bilston
T 829 10 B'ham Colmore Row to Quinton Rd West via Croftdown Rd
T 839 89 Walsall to Wolverhampton
T 858 10H Birmingham to Quinton
T 1127 2 Warstones & Wolverhampton via Penn Fields
T 1132 3 Castlecroft & Wolverhampton via Finchfield
I don't get why a FOI is required if I'm honest. You'll find it out when they get awarded. Hardly an important matter.
Quote from: Dom on January 13, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
I don't get why a FOI is required if I'm honest. You'll find it out when they get awarded. Hardly an important matter.
Because as a taxpayer I feel it is my civic duty to hold officials who handle public money to account for what they are doing and if they are wasting it.
For example I, as a taxpayer, find it offensive that the combined authority are subsidising a bus service which is getting an average of more than 20 passengers a trip or less than 4 passengers a trip. In the case of the former it means that the service should be sustainable commercially and in the case of the latter, it means that it is hardly socially necessary.
Or white elephants like Sprint and trams to five ways, a waste of taxpayers cash.
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 13, 2018, 03:23:12 PM
Because as a taxpayer I feel it is my civic duty to hold officials who handle public money to account for what they are doing and if they are wasting it.
For example I, as a taxpayer, find it offensive that the combined authority are subsidising a bus service which is getting an average of more than 20 passengers a trip or less than 4 passengers a trip. In the case of the former it means that the service should be sustainable commercially and in the case of the latter, it means that it is hardly socially necessary.
You seem to fail to understand the work that goes into tenders, even before the bidding process opens. They do not only look at the number of passengers! They look at where these passengers are boarding and alighting. If that is all you have to worry about in your life, I wish I had it.
Quote from: Dom on January 13, 2018, 07:05:31 PM
You seem to fail to understand the work that goes into tenders, even before the bidding process opens. They do not only look at the number of passengers! They look at where these passengers are boarding and alighting. If that is all you have to worry about in your life, I wish I had it.
Sorry I believe taxpayers money should be spent wisely and not in a frivolous manner. As a local government worker myself, I do not agree with public money being wasted.
Paying a bus operator £3.14 per passenger to run a bus service which averages less than 4 passengers a journey is a waste of taxpayers money, especially as then said taxpayers who use it are then charged an additional fare on top.
How would you like it if your council tax was funding a vanity project such as replacing a perfectly functional bus station in or converting a fairly free flowing roundabout into a traffic light system.
You would feel outraged!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 13, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Sorry I believe taxpayers money should be spent wisely and not in a frivolous manner. As a local government worker myself, I do not agree with public money being wasted.
I believe it should be spent wisely as well, not paying someone to answer frivolous FOI requests. What you are doing is wasting taxpayers money when that civil servant could be spending his paid time doing something more worthwhile
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 13, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Sorry I believe taxpayers money should be spent wisely and not in a frivolous manner. As a local government worker myself, I do not agree with public money being wasted.
Paying a bus operator £3.14 per passenger to run a bus service which averages less than 4 passengers a journey is a waste of taxpayers money, especially as then said taxpayers who use it are then charged an additional fare on top.
How would you like it if your council tax was funding a vanity project such as replacing a perfectly functional bus station in or converting a fairly free flowing roundabout into a traffic light system.
You would feel outraged!!
You may want to check your numbers there, as it is not 4 passengers.
Both projects have worked in the past, for example Wolverhampton and Stourbridge Bus Station. If you are reffering to Dudley Bus Station the plans to redevelop are needed as the station is outdated and struggles to operate, so no, not a functional station.
Free flowing roundabouts? Is that what you would of said about Burnt Tree island? That got converted to a traffic light system and that now flows much better.
2143 & 2145 spending the night at WB to have Init ticket machines fitted, then onto Walsall tomorrow for painting blue for Coventry
I've just dropped repainted 2148 off at Coventry this afternoon. Should just need a 4 weekly inspection before being used so may be out tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
No, just working out the best ALX400 to keep
Are they all staying at AG for now, or are some due to leave in the near future. They have been there over a month now and nothing appears to have left?
2152 now at Coventry
According to a photo I've been sent, 731 is currently sat in Walsall Garage. It appears to be missing all of it's vinyls. Is this heading back to Xplore Dundee
@Tony?
Reserve fleet Trident 4180 is another now at YW out on the 76 today
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2018, 03:50:45 PM
Reserve fleet Trident 4180 is another now at YW out on the 76 today
Is sister 4181 still at YW? - I had both of these as BC operated buses, but have they both moved across?
Hello Tony
I did not see the E200 transfers in the January update
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 02, 2018, 06:07:35 AM
According to a photo I've been sent, 731 is currently sat in Walsall Garage. It appears to be missing all of it's vinyls. Is this heading back to Xplore Dundee @Tony?
Yes it is.
Photo of it here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/731.html
That looks rather ghastly. Give us the green stripe back, like what we voted for!
Quote from: ross4122 on February 08, 2018, 07:02:34 PM
That looks rather ghastly. Give us the green stripe back, like what we voted for!
Very good point actually, why is it a gold stripe
@Tony?
Quote from: Dom on February 08, 2018, 07:37:34 PM
Very good point actually, why is it a gold stripe @Tony?
It's no good asking someone who is colour blind, I never even noticed.
Has 4276 transferred to PB yet? 4277 seems to of made the move.
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2018, 07:21:09 PM
Has 4276 transferred to PB yet? 4277 seems to of made the move.
4277 hasn't got to Perry Barr yet
4276 is now staying at AG
4333, 4334 YW - WN
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2018, 08:56:55 AM
4333, 4334 YW - WN
Good riddence, those horrid 433* Tridents YW have are moving away. 4335 is the decent one. The other 433* are sheds.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2018, 10:20:04 AM
Good riddence, those horrid 433* Tridents YW have are moving away. 4335 is the decent one. The other 433* are sheds.
Someone's never been on 4333 then...
Quote from: V89MOA on February 17, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
Someone's never been on 4333 then...
I've ridden it, leaks water like a seive on the upper deck!
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
I've ridden it, leaks water like a seive on the upper deck!
Most ALX400s leak water upstairs, especially at the front..... Doesn't mean they are sheds. In fact I'd say most of the Yardley Wood examples are the better tridents in the fleet!
Quote from: V89MOA on February 17, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Most ALX400s leak water upstairs, especially at the front..... Doesn't mean they are sheds. In fact I'd say most of the Yardley Wood examples are the better tridents in the fleet!
The 433* are extremely slow. 4339 been the slowest one I've ridden. I would say a lot of YW's Tridents are better than others, especially the '52' and '04' plates, and a few of the '02' plates. I've never really been a fan of the 433* that's my opinion of them.
4333 leaks water from most of the windows, not just the front... Had horrible brakes when I it caught a few weeks ago.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2018, 07:58:20 PM
4333 leaks water from most of the windows, not just the front... Had horrible brakes when I it caught a few weeks ago.
If you say so... ::) I've only been enjoying them for 16 years so what would I know! To say that most of the windows on the bus leak is quite the exaggeration though!
Each to their own and all that.
Should be some second hand fleet additions this week. More details when they start arriving
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2018, 03:11:29 PM
Should be some second hand fleet additions this week. More details when they start arriving
Ooooh, exciting! Hopefully it's something that's not from ADL for a change.
Quote from: DJ98 on February 19, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
Ooooh, exciting! Hopefully it's something that's not from ADL for a change
Hopefully some volvos Gemini's 2/3
Probably from Abellio
And now we see everyone get their hopes up.
Buses or Coaches?
Quote from: Dom on February 19, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
And now we see everyone get their hopes up.
Not in Dundee you don't... although we should be used to cast offs and second hand junk by now
Quote from: John on February 19, 2018, 05:18:19 PM
Buses or Coaches?
Will be interesting to see if these are buses (and not coaches). Second hand buses in the NX fleet are very few & far between, I think Dundee 731-4 have had previous owners but not much else. There have been movements between Travel London/Dundee and NXWM etc, but these were all inter-company transfers.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on February 19, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
Not in Dundee you don't... although we should be used to cast offs and second hand junk by now
Not for much longer!
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2018, 03:11:29 PM
Should be some second hand fleet additions this week. More details when they start arriving
First of several 11 plate Levantes due to arrive?
Quote from: Straightlines on February 20, 2018, 01:02:34 PM
First of several 11 plate Levantes due to arrive?
I was a bit premature with anything arriving this week.
Two 11 plate Levantes are at Walsall, but just for returning to dealer at the end of lease
2144 has now left BC for paint before moving to CV completing transfer of 2143-2152 out of BC
Quote from: Tony on February 21, 2018, 08:25:19 AM
2144 has now left BC for paint before moving to CV completing transfer of 2143-2152 out of BC
These 10 additions will presumably see off the last two remaining Bendibuses (6015/21) - Coventry will have 155 buses when that happens, but will a few early Tridents go too? Red 4142 is a possible candidate. It seems a batch of around 20 new [more likely transferred] vehicles will be needed to allow the withdrawal of all the remaining 41/42xx Tridents at CV.
Quote from: Tony on February 20, 2018, 01:07:13 PM
I was a bit premature with anything arriving this week.
Two 11 plate Levantes are at Walsall, but just for returning to dealer at the end of lease
Is WA's 135 likely to be replaced/returning off lease being part of the same 11 plate batch?
I reckon the used additions 'might be' something along these lines:
http://www.ensignbus.com/2012-enviro-400s.html
The ex Tower Enviros might be heading to Sullivans-they have retained the 626 school bus in Barnet with a requirement for newer buses.
Quote from: Winston on February 24, 2018, 02:56:38 PM
Is WA's 135 likely to be replaced/returning off lease being part of the same 11 plate batch?
I reckon the used additions 'might be' something along these lines:
http://www.ensignbus.com/2012-enviro-400s.html
That would be fantastic, I love the idea of some repurposed (to use the popular term of the era) buses joining the fleet, it upholds a local tradition!
If they are double deckers would they use some of the 5*** fleet numbers
Quote from: Chris on February 26, 2018, 10:07:21 AM
If they are double deckers would they use some of the 5*** fleet numbers
Well that has been done before - 5501-80!
@Tony any reveal on the 2nd hand vehicles nx are purchasing and are there going to be new buses this year?
4395 YW - CV (currently at WA for blue front)
4344 YW-WN
Quote from: BN on March 23, 2018, 06:30:52 PM
4344 YW-WN
and 4208 CV - withdrawn is the other one that happened today
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2018, 07:05:24 PM
and 4208 CV - withdrawn is the other one that happened today
4208 parked out at back of Wheatley St. garage behind bendibuses visible from road.
What are these second hand buses that have gone very quiet? Or was it a myth?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 26, 2018, 08:45:15 PM
What are these second hand buses that have gone very quiet? Or was it a myth?
Second hand vehicles, probably arrive in June now
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
Second hand vehicles, probably arrive in June now
Omnicity or Enviros - or not yet decided.
I was curious how the modification of 5401-5430 will be dealt with once 5409 is done - presumably would drop the fleet size for a while unless something is brought in to cover or they're done at a very slow pace - also the very small number of 10/60 plate vehicles (45 Omnilinks) must put a dent in the fleet age profile at that time and skew the average fleet age - possibly more noticeably at some point.
5409 is this being modified somehow.
Secondhand buses being brought in by west mids very very rare indeed, must be good deal for them to even consider it, from an environmental point of view it's far less damaging than buying a brand new bus.
Quote from: 2900 on March 28, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
5409 is this being modified somehow.
Secondhand buses being brought in by west mids very very rare indeed, must be good deal for them to even consider it, from an environmental point of view it's far less damaging than buying a brand new bus.
I'm just thinking with various areas going euro 3/4 maybe it's cheaper in the long run to get 2nd hand 2010s or later buses than fitting a trap on an 18 year bus close to withdrawal?
Quote from: Chris on March 28, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
I'm just thinking with various areas going euro 3/4 maybe it's cheaper in the long run to get 2nd hand 2010s or later buses than fitting a trap on an 18 year bus close to withdrawal?
Everyone is way off the mark here.
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2018, 01:02:08 PM
Everyone is way off the mark here.
I'd go with Coaches myself, I haven't even seen the word buses mentioned other than in speculation.
Going to operate Alton towers trip or something along those lines?
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2018, 01:02:08 PM
Everyone is way off the mark here.
They need to decide if they are having new or second hand first!
2230; 2231 YW - AG (ready for the JLR contract next week)
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2018, 09:35:32 AM
2230; 2231 YW - AG (ready for the JLR contract next week)
Which shuttles start next week? Does the Solihull, or Castle Bromwich Shuttle start next week?
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2018, 01:02:08 PM
Everyone is way off the mark here.
Single deckers or coaches then?
Will there be transfers from company to company with the internal restructure you mentioned in another thread?
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
Second hand vehicles, probably arrive in June now
Looks like I am fetching a vehicle bought second hand for AG next week
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2018, 08:23:11 PM
Looks like I am fetching a vehicle bought second hand for AG next week
ive heard more streetdecks
Quote from: karl724223 on April 05, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
ive heard more streetdecks
Second hand streetdecks? Hope that's a sarcastic reply.
Would these be solely for JLR contract work or could they end up on AG operated routes from time to time? Will they be painted into corporate livery too?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 05, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
Second hand streetdecks? Hope that's a sarcastic reply.
And me, don't want to see the ugly things at AG, they belong at PE. Second hand E200 MMC or maybe an Ex-Demonstrater E200 MMC?
Quote from: Jack on April 06, 2018, 11:24:30 AM
And me, don't want to see the ugly things at AG, they belong at PE. Second hand E200 MMC or maybe an Ex-Demonstrater E200 MMC?
Ride wise they put mmc to shame!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 06, 2018, 11:59:45 AM
Ride wise they put mmc to shame!!
I've never actually ridden them, they sound nice in videos, just don't like the look of the front end. I've made failed attempts of riding them on the 9.
I'd imagine it'd be coaches? Or a coach at least.
Quote from: MW on April 06, 2018, 12:08:37 PM
I'd imagine it'd be coaches? Or a coach at least.
Some short single deckers maybe, as its been said AG have E200 on loan from WN for the JLR shuttle at the minute?
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2018, 02:23:45 PM
Some short single deckers maybe, as its been said AG have E200 on loan from WN for the JLR shuttle at the minute?
One of WN's goes home this weekend and will be replaced by one of PB's on loan
Quote from: Tony on April 06, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
One of WN's goes home this weekend and will be replaced by one of PB's on loan
Wouldn't 732-734 be okay? They are in reserve in Dundee, apparently they aren't needed at the moment?
I am fetching 734 for transfer to AG Wednesday
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2018, 09:03:16 PM
I am fetching 734 for transfer to AG Wednesday
Purely for jlr contract?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 07, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
Purely for jlr contract?
I presume so - can't really think what else AG could use it on without getting full in seconds, the 1 probably.
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
I presume so - can't really think what else AG could use it on without getting full in seconds, the 1 probably.
Peak 1s get very busy hence the doubled frequency, the only route I can think of would be the 58. I should imagine though that like 731 they won't even install a WM ticket system, as fun as it would be seeing 734 on a route the Outer Circle!
Quote from: V89MOA on April 08, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
Peak 1s get very busy hence the doubled frequency, the only route I can think of would be the 58. I should imagine though that like 731 they won't even install a WM ticket system, as fun as it would be seeing 734 on a route the Outer Circle!
It would be fun seeing it on the X12!
Quote from: V89MOA on April 08, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
Peak 1s get very busy hence the doubled frequency, the only route I can think of would be the 58. I should imagine though that like 731 they won't even install a WM ticket system, as fun as it would be seeing 734 on a route the Outer Circle!
It needs a ticket machine for the JLR contract.
One is being fitted Thursday
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
It needs a ticket machine for the JLR contract.
One is being fitted Thursday
Glad to hear that, hopefully it will sneak into service at some point even if it is just the peak 1Es.
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2018, 07:53:28 PM
It would be fun seeing it on the X12!
Or on the 11.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 08, 2018, 07:51:07 PM
Peak 1s get very busy hence the doubled frequency, the only route I can think of would be the 58. I should imagine though that like 731 they won't even install a WM ticket system, as fun as it would be seeing 734 on a route the Outer Circle!
When 731 came down, they were still using the Wayfarers, different ticket machine, different set up!
Quote from: Dom on April 08, 2018, 08:39:38 PM
When 731 came down, they were still using the Wayfarers, different ticket machine, different set up!
So what? 731 had already had a wayfarer installed with Dundee, so in theory less work would have been needed with 731 than will be to convert 734 to INIT.
Maybe Dundee's fleet are getting Init machines fitted and they're doing them by sending one by one to the West Midlands....
Quote from: V89MOA on April 08, 2018, 08:58:30 PM
So what? 731 had already had a wayfarer installed with Dundee, so in theory less work would have been needed with 731 than will be to convert 734 to INIT.
Considering they gave up on 731 and know what to do on 734, your theory is obviously wrong.
Quote from: Dom on April 08, 2018, 09:49:41 PM
Considering they gave up on 731 and know what to do on 734, your theory is obviously wrong.
Gave up? I'm pretty sure the engineers know how to modify electrical systems on buses....
Neither CG nor Phoenix Group contracts needed a machine so why waste time.
Quote from: Dom on April 08, 2018, 09:49:41 PM
Considering they gave up on 731 and know what to do on 734, your theory is obviously wrong.
Nothing to do with giving up. Because 731 was only ever intended to stay in Birmingham as 2 month cover until the new buses were in service Dundee didn't want the wiring changing. 734 requires a ticket machines so Init are coming to AG on Thursday to fit both 731 and 4530 which has been off the road for several months but is now fixed
Will the time of JLR be on here so we can get a pic of 734 & others
Quote from: Solo1 on April 08, 2018, 10:26:29 PM
Will the time of JLR be on here so we can get a pic of 734 & others
Is this the Solihull JLR shuttle that Silverline used to operate
@Tony with Small Single Deckers?
Castle Bromwich was operated by Travel Decourcey Deckers?
If its the Solihull JLR shuttle that they are being used on the JLR travel website says this is the timetable?
http://www.jlrtravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Main-Shuttle-Timetable-wef301115.pdf
734 is for an internal service within Gaydon plant. Silverline used a non PSV 8 seater, but JLR have requested the E200
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2018, 07:13:16 AM
734 is for an internal service within Gaydon plant. Silverline used a non PSV 8 seater, but JLR have requested the E200
what times will it be about so folks can get a pic ti/from depot
Quote from: Solo1 on April 09, 2018, 08:25:53 AM
what times will it be about so folks can get a pic ti/from depot
Depends which running board it is on
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2018, 08:23:11 PM
Looks like I am fetching a vehicle bought second hand for AG next week
Is this additional to 734 - or is NXWM paying XPlore Dundee for 734?
Quote from: don on April 10, 2018, 03:30:10 PM
Is this additional to 734 - or is NXWM paying XPlore Dundee for 734?
NX own Xplore Dundee they don't need to pay for the bus
All I said was I was going to fetch a bus bought second hand.
731-734 were all bought second hand
Quote from: pndriver on April 10, 2018, 05:05:52 PM
NX own Xplore Dundee they don't need to pay for the bus
There will actually be a charge imposed as 734 is owned by Tayside but will be on loan or sold onto West Midlands Travel Ltd and NX companies charge each other for intercompany loans / purchases.
Quote from: D10 on April 10, 2018, 08:51:24 PM
There will actually be a charge imposed as 734 is owned by Tayside but will be on loan or sold onto West Midlands Travel Ltd and NX companies charge each other for intercompany loans / purchases.
why don't make sense same firm all national express firms
Quote from: Solo1 on April 10, 2018, 09:52:14 PM
why don't make sense same firm all national express firms
Well National Express Group owns numerous firms, but obviously expect all their subsidiaries to make a profit in their respective areas of business.
Therefore as a simple example it wouldn't make sense for Dundee to still be bearing the cost of these buses, but for all the revenue to go to West Midlands Travel.
So who is bearing the cost of the repaints then? as every time a red and white bus goes south it comes back 2 tone drab green
Quote from: DavieDD2 on April 11, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
So who is bearing the cost of the repaints then? as every time a red and white bus goes south it comes back 2 tone drab green
Only transfers that were rushed up to Dundee in red/white have returned to NXWM for refurb / repaint (1787 & 4714 etc). Only because they should have been done prior to cascade. All other repaints are done in Scotland. 731 again was repainted prior to returning to Dundee.
Been told that 4606 and 4609 have now transferred from Birmingham Central to Walsall. I believe 4607 and 4608 should be following too.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 12, 2018, 06:22:16 PM
Been told that 4606 and 4609 have now transferred from Birmingham Central to Walsall. I believe 4607 and 4608 should be following too.
4606 has transferred
4609 is still showing as dead at BC, so if it has moved I need to report the tracker
Quote from: Tony on April 12, 2018, 06:43:57 PM
4606 has transferred
4609 is still showing as dead at BC, so if it has moved I need to report the tracker
There is a photo on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group of it at Walsall Garage, taken by the engineer who took it over...So I assume it has a faulty tracker then
@Tony?
4607 now joined 4606 & 4609 at Walsall
4153 now joined the training fleet, currently at Walsall for conversion
4302 now withdrawn at AG
4606 is having it's first day out today since it's transfer to Walsall...It's just gone into the 51 as a change bus. It's just left Scott Arms heading to Walsall.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 13, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
4606 is having it's first day out today since it's transfer to Walsall...It's just gone into the 51 as a change bus. It's just left Scott Arms heading to Walsall.
Have these come to WA as paint cover for the E400's?
@Michael Bevan
4609 had it's first day out on a Streetly peak board this afternoon. Did a 937 onto Birmingham before doing a 935 to Walsall.
4607 BC-WA
2232 YW-AG
4180 & 4181 reserve vehicles in use at YW, 4181 on the 76 today
4346 on the 246 is this a loan or a transfer?
Quote from: Chris on April 16, 2018, 08:01:28 AM
4346 on the 246 is this a loan or a transfer?
It's been there since last week too
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
4607 BC-WA
2232 YW-AG
4180 & 4181 reserve vehicles in use at YW, 4181 on the 76 today
4608 has now transferred from BC to WA. It was on the 29 earlier in Walsall.
4154; 4157; 4161; 4167 all Walsall - reserve
4343 YW-WN
There are a lot of transfers out of YW
Do they have a PVR reduction?
Quote from: Wolves256 on April 21, 2018, 01:42:05 PM
There are a lot of transfers out of YW
Do they have a PVR reduction?
I have these: 1909-17/19-24; 2233-50; 3225; 4130/80/81/83; 4335/37-40/42/60-90/92-94; 4565-77; 4718-32; 6123-48. 131 buses (+ 1 preserved) which seems to be a bit lower than of late.
I think I saw a comment by Tony elsewhere that YW have the correct number of buses.
Didn't they recently lose one of the Enviro single deckers recently to Acocks Green?
Quote from: markcf83 on April 21, 2018, 09:55:43 PM
Didn't they recently lose one of the Enviro single deckers recently to Acocks Green?
2230-2232 and 2233 iirc as on Facebook I seen a pic of it in AG Garage. :)
1933; 1934; 1935 PB - YW
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2018, 08:56:15 AM
1933; 1934; 1935 PB - YW
Are they all going back the BX10 Omniliks.?
Quote from: Jack on April 22, 2018, 09:51:24 AM
Are they all going back the BX10 Omniliks.?
Wouldn't think so. Won't leave us with enough. 3 seems like the 3 less buses used on the 952
Quote from: John on April 22, 2018, 09:58:48 AM
Wouldn't think so. Won't leave us with enough. 3 seems like the 3 less buses used on the 952
I thought that, but wouldn't it make sense to send 1925/6/7 back to keep the numbers together?
4856 PB - WA
4277; 4278 PB - AG
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2018, 07:09:56 AM
4856 PB - WA
4277; 4278 PB - AG
I've just seen a post on Facebook by a driver suggesting that 4856 has gone out on an afternoon peak board. I've been told it's on an 89 peak board which does the 700, then one trip on the 89 (16:35 off Walsall).
PB has gone from a total of 182 to 176 buses in a few days.
spotted 4856 on 89 heading towards Walsall this evening outside broadway pub.
4150 WN-PN RRR
4139 WN-PN RRR
I'm off to Sipson Road next week to start collecting the second hand vehicles I mentioned as arriving earlier in this topic. I haven't been given the identities yet before any one asks. Three of them are due to arrive at Sipson Road today so there not vehicles currently allocated there
Just on my way to Sipson Road to collect 116 to transfer to Coventry
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2018, 08:02:12 AM
Just on my way to Sipson Road to collect 116 to transfer to Coventry
The only 116 I can find in the fleet list is 'SR116' (FJ60 KVS) a Volvo B9R/Caetano Levante C49FLT - I assume its not a replacement for 2151 !
Quote from: paulb1973 on June 09, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
The only 116 I can find in the fleet list is 'SR116' (FJ60 KVS) a Volvo B9R/Caetano Levante C49FLT - I assume its not a replacement for 2151 !
That's the correct 116, going to Coventry for JLR contract work
Are all the 2nd hand vehicles going to be coaches?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 09, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
Are all the 2nd hand vehicles going to be coaches?
I expect the majority will be, DeCourcey mostly use Levante's on the JLR contract at present
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2018, 03:12:44 PM
That's the correct 116, going to Coventry for JLR contract work
When I got to Sipson Road 114 was easier to get out so Coventry have had that one instead. 116 will now go to BC
Someone's commented on a post of 4439, saying that it's transferred to Walsall. Any truth in this?
Off to Wales tomorrow with 4 others to collect 5 genuine second hand vehicles (no I don't know the identities yet)
Quote from: Tony on June 20, 2018, 06:06:31 PM
Off to Wales tomorrow with 4 others to collect 5 genuine second hand vehicles (no I don't know the identities yet)
Edwards?
More coaches for JLR?
As Dundee are getting new emerald buses, is NXWM getting any new vehicles this year?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 21, 2018, 08:59:35 PM
More coaches for JLR?
5 x 11 Plate Levante's from Edwards
Quote from: Winston on June 21, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
5 x 11 Plate Levante's from Edwards
Photos of them will be on the main site soon
For those interested in such things the 5 coaches from Edwards have been numbered as below
235 BC FJ11GMU
236 BC FJ11GMO
237 BC FJ11GNF
238 BC FJ11GNO
239 BC FJ11GMZ
Three more second hand arrivals coming tomorrow, this time from DeCourcey
C240 BC FJ11GKE
C241 BC FJ11MMO
C242 BC FJ11MLZ
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2018, 09:49:49 PM
Three more second hand arrivals coming tomorrow, this time from DeCourcey
C240 BC FJ11GKE
C241 BC FJ11MMO
C242 BC FJ11MLZ
I'm surprised they are taking castoffs from DeCourcey, are these an interim measure?
Quote from: Straightlines on June 29, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
I'm surprised they are taking castoffs from DeCourcey, are these an interim measure?
All 23 being rounded up from around the country are temporary
So far, using the main fleet list and the seven listed for Coventry, these seem to be in use [or will be soon]
110/113-115/119/138/140/142/145/150/155-157/161/235-242 (Volvo B9R/Caetano Levante C48FLT or C49FLT)
Allocations
BC: 235-242 [8]
CV: 119/138/140/142/156-157/161 [7]
Also
WA: 90-95/116/135 - these are not for the JLR contract I assume
Full lists of vehicles recently transferred into West Midlands garages
110 - FJ60 HXS - BC
113 - FJ60 HXV - BC (still at SR)
114 - FJ60 HXX - BC
115 - FJ60 HXY - BC
116 - FJ60 KVS - WA
119 - FJ11 MKK - CV
138 - FJ12 FYN - CV
140 - FJ12 FYR - CV
142 - FJ12 FYO - CV
150 - FJ13 EBP - BC
152 - FJ13 EBV - BC
155 - FJ13 ECA - BC
156 - FJ13 ECC - CV
157 - FJ13 ECD - CV
161 - FJ13 ECT - CV
235 - FJ11 GMU - BC
236 - FJ11 GMO - BC
237 - FJ11 GNV - BC
238 - FJ11 GNO - BC
239 - FJ11 GMZ - BC
240 - FJ11 GKE - BC
241 - FJ11 MMO - BC
242 - FJ11 MLZ - BC
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2018, 07:23:15 PM
Full lists of vehicles recently transferred into West Midlands garages
110 - FJ60 HXS - BC
113 - FJ60 HXV - BC (still at SR)
114 - FJ60 HXX - BC
115 - FJ60 HXY - BC
116 - FJ60 KVS - WA
119 - FJ11 MKK - CV
138 - FJ12 FYN - CV
140 - FJ12 FYR - CV
142 - FJ12 FYO - CV
150 - FJ13 EBP - BC
152 - FJ13 EBV - BC
155 - FJ13 ECA - BC
156 - FJ13 ECC - CV
157 - FJ13 ECD - CV
161 - FJ13 ECT - CV
235 - FJ11 GMU - BC
236 - FJ11 GMO - BC
237 - FJ11 GNV - BC
238 - FJ11 GNO - BC
239 - FJ11 GMZ - BC
240 - FJ11 GKE - BC
241 - FJ11 MMO - BC
242 - FJ11 MLZ - BC
Is 145 due also? - that is showing as a JLR vehicle on the main list.
Quote from: paulb1973 on June 30, 2018, 09:26:47 PM
Is 145 due also? - that is showing as a JLR vehicle on the main list.
The list above is the final list. 3 vehicles have changed since the original planned list
I think the list is correct now
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/coachfleet.html
The June transfers were as expected, but the July ones should be interesting, not due to the South Birmingham changes but more to the euro4 introduction in Solihull. At the AG open day I was told that this would be achieved by moving buses between garages and this seems to be the case as I haven't seen any more euro6 conversions and no new vehicles have been mentioned anywhere. The Sunny group will also have problems but they do seem to be keeping the same buses on the 71E/72.
4592 is about to do the 09:10 33 from Wolverhampton Bus Station with its new exhaust trap fitted. It should then return to garage and transfer to YW
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 09:05:05 AM
4592 is about to do the 09:10 33 from Wolverhampton Bus Station with its new exhaust trap fitted. It should then return to garage and transfer to YW
Has NX's policy for buying new buses changed in the last 12-18 months?
Dean Finch previously stated he wouldn't entertain refurbishing / upgrading the existing fleet, instead favouring to buy new. More & more of the existing fleet seem to be being upgraded to comply with new emission rulings, suggesting those buses could be 2o years old by the time they are eventually withdrawn. Whilst the other big groups have all cut new fleet investment due to current climate / falling profits and negative growth, NX Group are the exception to that rule, in that they are consistently beating profit growth forecasts year on year.
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
Has NX's policy for buying new buses changed in the last 12-18 months?
Dean Finch previously stated he wouldn't entertain refurbishing / upgrading the existing fleet, instead favouring to buy new. More & more of the existing fleet seem to be being upgraded to comply with new emission rulings, suggesting those buses could be 2o years old by the time they are eventually withdrawn. Whilst the other big groups have all cut new fleet investment due to current climate / falling profits and negative growth, NX Group are the exception to that rule, in that they are consistently beating profit growth forecasts year on year.
No. There was always going to be a need to upgrade the fleet for AQPS. The equipment can be moved between vehicles, so there is nothing to stop the equipment currently on the 43xx tridents for example being moved onto newer vehicles when they are withdrawn. Nothing is being 'life extended' it is just being made better, same with repaint/retrims.
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 09:43:55 AM
No. There was always going to be a need to upgrade the fleet for AQPS. The equipment can be moved between vehicles, so there is nothing to stop the equipment currently on the 43xx tridents for example being moved onto newer vehicles when they are withdrawn. Nothing is being 'life extended' it is just being made better, same with repaint/retrims.
I agree the need to upgrade / comply with new AQPS has always been there, however, a large proportion of that need was previously achieved by buying new buses and withdrawing the old. That need to comply is only going to grow and is being extended to more & more new areas, over the past 18 months NX have only bought the 38 x Platinum E400MMC (6855-92). It appears new bus procurement is falling behind compliance requirement changes, I was expecting the Y-reg Tridents to all have been withdrawn by now and the majority of the B7TL/ALX400 (4225-4304) which are 17 years old.
Whilst the emissions of the upgraded buses are equivalent to Euro 6 (whilst commendable), the bus is fundamentally still (4592 - 14 years old etc) and will not provide the benefits operationally / internally to passengers that a new bus would.
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
I agree the need to upgrade / comply with new AQPS has always been there, however, a large proportion of that need was previously achieved by buying new buses and withdrawing the old. That need to comply is only going to grow and is being extended to more & more new areas, over the past 18 months NX have only bought the 38 x Platinum E400MMC (6855-92). It appears new bus procurement is falling behind compliance requirement changes, I was expecting the Y-reg Tridents to all have been withdrawn by now and the majority of the B7TL/ALX400 (4225-4304) which are 17 years old.
There are new vehicles on order, but I cannot say how many & what until it is announced officially
At least modern buses are getting a good 15-17 years service. Back in 1999 Leyland lynxs started being withdrawn after only 10 years service. 99% was sold off for further use mainly to Bus Eireann the odd one was withdrawn. There withdrawals was probably down to not being low floor.
The Volvo B10B started being withdrawn around 2008 after 12 years then finally withdrawn from service 2010 but glad to see the back of them. Around 10 still survive in tranning fleet be glad when there all gone.
Quote from: PB2938 on July 11, 2018, 10:09:10 AM
At least modern buses are getting a good 15-17 years service. Back in 1999 Leyland lynxs started being withdrawn after only 10 years service. 99% was sold off for further use mainly to Bus Eireann the odd one was withdrawn. There withdrawals was probably down to not being low floor.
The Volvo B10B started being withdrawn around 2008 after 12 years then finally withdrawn from service 2010 but glad to see the back of them. Around 10 still survive in tranning fleet be glad when there all gone.
The extended service life only really benefits NX Accounts in terms of depreciation over a longer term. Some of those 15-17 years old buses have slipped the net for internal refreshes i.e. B7TL/ALX400's @ PB & some 2004 Tridents @ WN still have the same moquette from new, now badly faded with threadbare edges. I understand some of those non refurbished B7TL's/ALX400 are being moved to AG to operate the 5 (to be complaint) with refurbished Crimson Gemini's going the opposite way.
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 10:01:16 AM
There are new vehicles on order, but I cannot say how many & what until it is announced officially
15 streetdecks are on order
Quote from: karl724223 on July 11, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
15 streetdecks are on order
Really.... and how many of the rumours / facts you post actually ever materialize ???
Quote from: karl724223 on July 11, 2018, 12:02:23 PM
15 streetdecks are on order
A bit early for the Bathams??!! 😧
Quote from: don on July 11, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
A bit early for the Bathams??!! 😧
Crystal meth more like......
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
The extended service life only really benefits NX Accounts in terms of depreciation over a longer term. Some of those 15-17 years old buses have slipped the net for internal refreshes i.e. B7TL/ALX400's @ PB & some 2004 Tridents @ WN still have the same moquette from new, now badly faded with threadbare edges. I understand some of those non refurbished B7TL's/ALX400 are being moved to AG to operate the 5 (to be complaint) with refurbished Crimson Gemini's going the opposite way.
I thought the Crimson Geminis were already compliant?
Quote from: don on July 11, 2018, 12:44:54 PM
I thought the Crimson Geminis were already compliant?
Pass, this is what was posted on FB:
'the 5 is going to be operated by City compliant ALX400's and they are coming from PB your getting 4500 - 4507 & 4533/4 back'
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2018, 12:49:09 PM
Pass, this is what was posted on FB:
'the 5 is going to be operated by City compliant ALX400's and they are coming from PB your getting 4500 - 4507 & 4533/4 back'
From what I have heard, Acocks Green need them for the 5 as a bridge on route has had new signage and the ALX400s are the only buses that can fit under then new height restriction
Quote from: John on July 11, 2018, 12:54:13 PM
From what I have heard, Acocks Green need them for the 5 as a bridge on route has had new signage and the ALX400s are the only buses that can fit under then new height restriction
That sounds more plausible, as some of those B7TL/ALX400's are the ones that have the traps, but not internally refurbished
Quote from: John on July 11, 2018, 12:54:13 PM
From what I have heard, Acocks Green need them for the 5 as a bridge on route has had new signage and the ALX400s are the only buses that can fit under then new height restriction
Robin Hood Lane, Hall Green presumably (not far of from Sarehole Mill going towards Solihull).
They're not going under there currently and being routed via Yardley Wood Station but they will be going under there again from July 22nd.
"The good bits:
+ More reliable buses by avoiding Springfield Road and queuing traffic in Solihull
+ Robin Hood Lane will be served again
"
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/services-5-6-6a
Quote from: don on July 11, 2018, 12:42:31 PM
A bit early for the Bathams??!! 😧
never to late for bathams ode pal
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 09:05:05 AM
4592 is about to do the 09:10 33 from Wolverhampton Bus Station with its new exhaust trap fitted. It should then return to garage and transfer to YW
It certainly has done, replaced by 4366.
Quote from: John on July 11, 2018, 12:54:13 PM
From what I have heard, Acocks Green need them for the 5 as a bridge on route has had new signage and the ALX400s are the only buses that can fit under then new height restriction
So, we are are getting 4500-07 back as well as 4533/4. Ten Gemini's to us and ten ALX's to AG, hopefully, don't hope they take all of the ALX's away! But I'm happy they will be permanent to the 5, but will miss the Gemini's. They may even make common appearances on the new 4/A.
Hmmm, I'm sure Tony said something about expect some unexpected buses being Crimson'd. These ALX400s maybe?
Quote from: MW on July 11, 2018, 05:02:21 PM
Hmmm, I'm sure Tony said something about expect some unexpected buses being Crimson'd. These ALX400s maybe?
Did he say unexpected Crimson or just unexpected repaints? I assumed 4601 was one of those.
Quote from: MW on July 11, 2018, 05:02:21 PM
Hmmm, I'm sure Tony said something about expect some unexpected buses being Crimson'd. These ALX400s maybe?
I hope that's happens, PB's ALX400's (if not retrimmed) are awful inside.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Robin Hood Lane, Hall Green presumably (not far of from Sarehole Mill going towards Solihull).
They're not going under there currently and being routed via Yardley Wood Station but they will be going under there again from July 22nd.
"The good bits:
+ More reliable buses by avoiding Springfield Road and queuing traffic in Solihull
+ Robin Hood Lane will be served again
"
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/services-5-6-6a
I notice that it says 'The bad bits' and goes on to explain that Springfield Road will lose its services. But go to the new 4/4A timetable and there's no mention of 'The bad bits' - the virtual halving of the service from Acocks Green to Solihull, down from every 6 minutes to every 10. They're hoping we in Olton won't notice...
4591 now at YW (on 49) :(
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 03:15:22 PM
4591 now at YW (on 49) :(
Is the sad smiley because it's ZF or because it's left WN ;-). Is 4591 trapped?
4363 is at WN now. It's on 79.
4366 has been mentioned above, it's on 82.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 13, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
Is the sad smiley because it's ZF or because it's left WN ;-). Is 4591 trapped?
Yes, 4591 is trapped.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 13, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
Is the sad smiley because it's ZF or because it's left WN ;-). Is 4591 trapped?
Because it's ZF! ;D Yeah it's been trapped, but unlike 92 the flap is white so it's less obvious.
Meanwhile 4380 was on the 2 yesterday. Couldn't see the flap on it, so I'm presuming it doesn't have an exhaust trap fitted.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
Because it's ZF! ;D Yeah it's been trapped, but unlike 92 the flap is white so it's less obvious.
I do have a gut feeling 4370/4/9/80 are all to leave for WN, sad times if they do :(
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2018, 04:41:18 PM
Meanwhile 4380 was on the 2 yesterday. Couldn't see the flap on it, so I'm presuming it doesn't have an exhaust trap fitted.
Nah it's only 4382-4394 that have them, 4380 having a last hoorah before moving as tonight it's on the WN 1!
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2018, 04:51:25 PM
I do have a gut feeling 4370/4/9/80 are all to leave for WN, sad times if they do :(
I have been told all the untrapped tridents will be moving eventually although not all before the emissions zone comes in due to lower summer PVR's kicking in. No doubt a correction is coming my way though! Very sad times indeed!
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
Nah it's only 4382-4394 that have them, 4380 having a last hoorah before moving as tonight it's on the WN 1!
I have been told all the untrapped tridents will be moving eventually although not all before the emissions zone comes in due to lower summer PVR's kicking in. No doubt a correction is coming my way though! Very sad times indeed!
Yup, behind the MK1 Metrobus, the 41** and 43** Tridents are my favourite buses.
The cascades and transfers will be exciting though
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
Nah it's only 4382-4394 that have them, 4380 having a last hoorah before moving as tonight it's on the WN 1!
I have been told all the untrapped tridents will be moving eventually although not all before the emissions zone comes in due to lower summer PVR's kicking in. No doubt a correction is coming my way though! Very sad times indeed!
Poor 4380, my favourite BV52 :(
It's a shame not more of the 43** could of been trapped. I do hope they look after them, YW have looked after them impeccably over the years. Think a few people will be saddened 4374 will be going... :( I won't miss 4372 though.
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2018, 06:30:26 PM
Poor 4380, my favourite BV52 :(
It's a shame not more of the 43** could of been trapped. I do hope they look after them, YW have looked after them impeccably over the years. Think a few people will be saddened 4374 will be going... :( I won't miss 4372 though.
4374 did sound good, but now it sounds like any other Trident. I'm excited for 4586 to come to YW.
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2018, 06:30:26 PM
Poor 4380, my favourite BV52 :(
It's a shame not more of the 43** could of been trapped. I do hope they look after them, YW have looked after them impeccably over the years. Think a few people will be saddened 4374 will be going... :(
For once I completely agree! I like how YW always put the proper ALX Headlight surrounds on, no other garage bothers... A small touch like that makes them look 10 times better. Even most of the Crimson 45** have all had them added since moving to YW. They always seem cleaner too inside and just generally more well kept at YW but that's just my opinion of course.
Quote from: Ronnoc on July 13, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
4374 did sound good, but now it sounds like any other Trident. I'm excited for 4586 to come to YW.
Bit of a stupid question (I know) but are all of 4578-4592 due to come to YW? If they are then I'm excited for 4579 and 4588 to move. Is this the first time YW have operated ZF Tridents?
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
For once I completely agree! I like how YW always put the proper ALX Headlight surrounds on, no other garage bothers... A small touch like that makes them look 10 times better. Even most of the Crimson 45** have all had them added since moving to YW. They always seem cleaner too inside and just generally more well kept at YW but that's just my opinion of course.
YW are good when they maintain their vehicles, even the Presidents were kept in immaculate condition for the age when they started dying out. It's a shame they are moving to WN where they will most likely be ruined.
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Bit of a stupid question (I know) but are all of 4578-4592 due to come to YW? If they are then I'm excited for 4579 and 4588 to move. Is this the first time YW have operated ZF Tridents?
Yes they are all supposedly moving eventually, will be trickling across over the next few weeks. No because YW had 4425/26 for a brief time as well as 4698 although some may or may not count that, mechanically it counts though.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
For once I completely agree! I like how YW always put the proper ALX Headlight surrounds on, no other garage bothers...
Any chance of a pic comparison as I've got no idea what you mean.
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2018, 07:28:36 PM
Any chance of a pic comparison as I've got no idea what you mean.
Best I can do on my phone.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
For once I completely agree! I like how YW always put the proper ALX Headlight surrounds on, no other garage bothers... A small touch like that makes them look 10 times better. Even most of the Crimson 45** have all had them added since moving to YW. They always seem cleaner too inside and just generally more well kept at YW but that's just my opinion of course.
I agree with you. I like these Tridents with the chrome surroundings around the headlights. It completes the front look.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 13, 2018, 07:54:21 PM
Best I can do on my phone.
I've never really noticed that - but the YW Tridents have brighter headlights than other garages Tridents, is this a sign, the original chrome headlights?
Quote from: Jack on July 13, 2018, 07:58:45 PM
I've never really noticed that - but the YW Tridents have brighter headlights than other garages Tridents, is this a sign, the original chrome headlights?
The headlamps themselves should really be the same, it's just a chrome ring that goes in to stop anything getting inside and obviously fill in the gap but when the headlights get replaced or repaired they have to come off so most garages just leave them off all the time, laziness. They were all delivered with them fitted though.
Yard key Wood do seem to keep their vehicles in exceptional condition. Thinking back 10 years ago, the Metrobuses they operated were always turned out well and did not seem 20+ years old. The Tridents are mainly used on the same routes as those Metros were (2,18 and 49) so perhaps the routes themselves are ideal for keeping them in good shape. Even the odd trident on the 50 doesn't look too out of place with the 15 reg Enviros.
According to a driver 4590 is now sat at YW too.
The Tridents at YW are used on less demanding routes, compared to say the MMCs on the 50. Maybe this is why they seem to be in better condition. I remember back in 2009/2010, the AG 4517-4534 lot of Gemini's seemed in better nick than the 4635-4679 batch. The interiors always seemed cleaner, in regards to the condition of the seats.
Back when Tridents were used on the 6 & 50, a lot of them were seemingly battered interior wise. The stench of weed, the ripped seats, the reaffirm, although the cleanliness standards have definitely increased since then.
4500 is our first transfer back from Acocks Green
4335 is at Wolverhampton. It's on the 82. 07:55 from Wolverhampton.
4289 now at AG and is currently out on the 73
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 17, 2018, 09:39:24 AM
4289 now at AG and is currently out on the 73
Swapped with 4500
Quote from: John on July 17, 2018, 04:28:08 AM
4500 is our first transfer back from Acocks Green
4503 is another to arrive this evening
4285 has been swapped with 4504 this afternoon
wonder how many of the 13 acoks green will take with 4289 already being noted i would have assumed they would have had 4279-4288
4550 has made it to YW, looks to be going out on the 894A, it'll be in Solihull in about ten minutes.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 18, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
4550 has made it to YW, looks to be going out on a school/peak board, it'll be in Solihull in about ten minutes.
At least WN have lost one of the Tridents still with original moquette from new.
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2018, 02:42:33 PM
At least WN have lost one of the Tridents still with original moquette from new.
The irony is from the outside it looked quite tidy! It's shocking there are still buses in service like that, 4370 and 4389 look dreadful inside so that'll make up for it at Wolves!
Quote from: V89MOA on July 18, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
The irony is from the outside it looked quite tidy! It's shocking there are still buses in service like that, 4370 and 4389 look dreadful inside so that'll make up for it at Wolves!
Isn't it one of the ones that had a quicky repaint to get rid on connector bar livery? Inside wasn't touched and is still mankie....
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
Isn't it one of the ones that had a quicky repaint to get rid on connector bar livery? Inside wasn't touched and is still mankie....
Yeah, it is. 4551 is another one.
Quote from: John on July 18, 2018, 01:00:39 PM
4285 has been swapped with 4504 this afternoon
4506 should be on it's way too very shortly. The driver who went to drop off 4285 and pick up 4504 told me 4506 was on it's way back to garage to be transferred to PB. The AG engineer who will drop off 4506 will then take 4284 back to AG.
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
Isn't it one of the ones that had a quicky repaint to get rid on connector bar livery? Inside wasn't touched and is still mankie....
Really is a shame to see them looking like that. Younger Hybrids is one thing but 16 year old seats is just skank.
Will these recent additions from PB/WN be getting the Crimson treatment at AG/YW?
Seems like we're getting downgraded around here! I'm sure these older YW Tridents will generally be in better nick that the slightly newer ex WN ones that have been ferrying around on routes like the 126, 501, 529 & 559 over the years!
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2018, 02:42:33 PM
At least WN have lost one of the Tridents still with original moquette from new.
Stupid question but will the Ex WN Tridents that are trapped be getting a Crimsoned? The state of the some isn't great at all. Seeing as they have an extended life I would assume so.
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 18, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Yeah, it is. 4551 is another one.
4546, 4588 and 4592 still have awful TWM interiors, as well as 4550/1.
Quote from: MW on July 18, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Seems like we're getting downgraded around here! I'm sure these older YW Tridents will generally be in better nick that the slightly newer ex WN ones that have been ferrying around on routes like the 126, 501, 529 & 559 over the years!
Missed out the 79 there.
Quote from: MW on July 18, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Will these recent additions from PB/WN be getting the Crimson treatment at AG/YW?
Seems like we're getting downgraded around here! I'm sure these older YW Tridents will generally be in better nick that the slightly newer ex WN ones that have been ferrying around on routes like the 126, 501, 529 & 559 over the years!
The 42**s at Acocks Green won't. As they are too old and most have had a quickly repaint within the past year. Not sure about the Tridents at Yardley Wood
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 18, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Yeah, it is. 4551 is another one.
Isn't 4549 the other one?
Quote from: John on July 18, 2018, 03:51:34 PM
The 42**s at Acocks Green won't. As they are too old and most have had a quickly repaint within the past year. Not sure about the Tridents at Yardley Wood
Atleast give the unrefurbed B7TL's a replacement interior in the form of the original interior, like 4285 has and it looks loads better than the ones that have never been refurbed.
Quote from: MW on July 18, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Will these recent additions from PB/WN be getting the Crimson treatment at AG/YW?
Seems like we're getting downgraded around here! I'm sure these older YW Tridents will generally be in better nick that the slightly newer ex WN ones that have been ferrying around on routes like the 126, 501, 529 & 559 over the years!
I've been told by YW staff that NX won't authorise crimson for these ones. I think you've hit the nail on the head though south/west Brum is getting a downgrade with these bus swaps. I definitely think the YW tridents are the most looked after overall. The same could be said of the volvo ALX, most of those have tatty interiors as Jack has touched on so they are going from lovely clean inside and out Geminis to tatty inside polished up ALX with reduced downstairs seating! Also from the sounds of it there are more unrefurbished tridents in the 45** batch than the 43**!
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2018, 03:52:06 PM
Isn't 4549 the other one?
4546 was the third one with connection bars that had a recent repaint but the seats were left alone sadly.
Quote from: Jack on July 18, 2018, 03:51:11 PM
Stupid question but will the Ex WN Tridents that are trapped be getting a Crimsoned? The state of the some isn't great at all. Seeing as they have an extended life I would assume so.
4546, 4588 and 4592 still have awful TWM interiors, as well as 4550/1.
Missed out the 79 there.
So you are just guessing they are awful because of the colour.
WN have had some retimmed completely, but in original colour
Quote from: Tony on July 18, 2018, 04:13:00 PM
So you are just guessing they are awful because of the colour.
WN have had some retimmed completely, but in original colour
Yes and they look good, 4425 had the original seats but looked immaculate, could they not use some of the seats from that one that they ripped out to put on the tatty WN ones.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 18, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
The irony is from the outside it looked quite tidy! It's shocking there are still buses in service like that, 4370 and 4389 look dreadful inside so that'll make up for it at Wolves!
Can't forget 4369 there
@V89MOA, a lot of the upstairs seats are threadbare!
4373 YW-WN. Currently on the 2 (Warstones-Bushbury)
The Wright bodied Volvos are already in it.
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 18, 2018, 04:10:57 PM
4546 was the third one with connection bars that had a recent repaint but the seats were left alone sadly.
4546 has been retrimmed.
Quote from: Nathan on July 18, 2018, 05:08:12 PM
4373 YW-WN. Currently on the 2 (Warstones-Bushbury)
Joined by 4381 were today's transfers.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 18, 2018, 03:44:23 PM
Really is a shame to see them looking like that. Younger Hybrids is one thing but 16 year old seats is just skank.
You'll miss them when they're all gone, or you'll be desperately trying to find the last remaining original interior.
I remember Pershore Road branded 2870 (I think it was) still had its original interior when withdrawn from service in 2004/5. Not only were the seats still in 'castle' moquette, they still had the from new brown vinyl edgings. There was no padding at all in the seats and they looked very dirty and manky. But it was still always fun to catch it! Was like stepping into a time machine!
Quote from: Jack on July 18, 2018, 05:02:17 PM
Can't forget 4369 there @V89MOA, a lot of the upstairs seats are threadbare!
You're right, I forgot that one!
Quote from: Gareth on July 18, 2018, 06:06:39 PM
You'll miss them when they're all gone, or you'll be desperately trying to find the last remaining original interior.
I remember Pershore Road branded 2870 (I think it was) still had its original interior when withdrawn from service in 2004/5. Not only were the seats still in 'castle' moquette, they still had the from new brown vinyl edgings. There was no padding at all in the seats and they looked very dirty and manky. But it was still always fun to catch it! Was like stepping into a time machine!
I do genuinely get that point on an enthusiast level, but at the same time when people are paying a decent amount of money they do expect at the very least some fabric to sit on. I personally would rather see a fresh batch of the older moquette (the same treatment 4546 has apparently had) than faded and threadbare patches of it, especially when it looks like these buses will be around for at least another 2-3 years yet! In fact I'd say that was a perfect compromise.
4551 currently on the 50
4588 apparently at the wood now too.
4279 on the 73 today.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 18, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
You're right, I forgot that one!I do genuinely get that point on an enthusiast level, but at the same time when people are paying a decent amount of money they do expect at the very least some fabric to sit on. I personally would rather see a fresh batch of the older moquette (the same treatment 4546 has apparently had) than faded and threadbare patches of it, especially when it looks like these buses will be around for at least another 2-3 years yet! In fact I'd say that was a perfect compromise.
I prefer old interior newly refurbished like 4308 4332 4357 at Walsall a nice step back in time not like everything in this dull deppressing grey. Crimson is OK but prefer original TWM moquette Refurbised.
4585 WN-YW
4365 YW-WN
Quote from: BN on July 19, 2018, 09:07:23 PM
4585 WN-YW
4365 YW-WN
I'm losing track of these YW and WN swaps. How many are due to be exchanged, and will the WN ones be a continuous block of fleet numbers? From what I've gathered, so far various ones between 4551 and 4592 have moved.
Quote from: Mike K on July 19, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
I'm losing track of these YW and WN swaps. How many are due to be exchanged, and will the WN ones be a continuous block of fleet numbers? From what I've gathered, so far various ones between 4551 and 4592 have moved.
Presumably all of YWs 43xx will be leaving. The only route that can be operate with them at YW is the 18. Whether they keep 8-10 of them for that route, I don't know.
Quote from: Mike K on July 19, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
I'm losing track of these YW and WN swaps. How many are due to be exchanged, and will the WN ones be a continuous block of fleet numbers? From what I've gathered, so far various ones between 4551 and 4592 have moved.
28 45**'s for 28 43**'s. 4535 has been stated elsewhere as staying at WN, as have the 59 branded Tridents (4557-4564).
4382-4390 and 4392-4394 will be staying at Yardley Wood as they have had the exhaust/AdBlue modification to allow them to operate into Birmingham City Centre (and shortly Solihull too)
4550, 4551, 4585, 4588-4592 have transferred PL-YW so far.
Thanks for the info all.
4506 and 4507 in convoy on the Lichfield Road just before 9am heading to Perry Barr.
We still have 4283 (out on the 94), 4286, 4287 (parked in garage) and 4291
Quote from: Nathan on July 19, 2018, 09:42:37 PM
28 45**'s for 28 43**'s. 4535 has been stated elsewhere as staying at WN, as have the 59 branded Tridents (4557-4564).
WN isn't going to be left with many then.
Quote from: John on July 20, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
4506 and 4507 in convoy on the Lichfield Road just before 9am heading to Perry Barr.
We still have 4283 (out on the 94), 4286, 4287 (parked in garage) and 4291
4505 has also transfered from AG to PB.
Its out on the 94 today, on the Priory Queensway at about 13:13.
Quote from: John on July 20, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
4506 and 4507 in convoy on the Lichfield Road just before 9am heading to Perry Barr.
We still have 4283 (out on the 94), 4286, 4287 (parked in garage) and 4291
Saw 4506 on the 65 earlier.
4288 has gone past me on Lancaster Street towards Lancaster Circus, possibly heading to AG?
4282 on the 11C this morning.
4582, 4584 WN-YW
4362, 4378 YW-WN
I am sure I have read on this site that Wolverhampton will go to euro4 before the end of 2018 which makes it seem odd that they are moving compliant buses away.
4502 AG-PB
Was on the 952 this afternoon.
I've been (well trying) tracking the YW/WN 43xx & 45xx swaps, is the current fleet at those two garages at the current time?
Wolverhampton (4133/34/36/39/55/66/76/83 may be temporarily at WN to cover for Golf loans)
751-56; 845-54/61-63; 2001-29/59-80/120-23; 2957; 4152/60/63; 4310-25/33-35/40/43-45/62-63/65-66/73/78/81; 4535-49/52-64/78-81/83/86-87; 5401-21; 6759-95.
Yardley Wood
1909-17/19-24/32-35; 2234-50; 3225; 4130r/81r/83r; 4337-39/42/60-61/64/67-72/74-77/79-80/82-90/92-94; 4550-51/65-77/82/84-85/88-92; 4718-32; 6123-48.
I assume there are many more transfers to come.
i would imagine they will all happen tonight 28 tridents to be swapped YW only keeping 4382-4394 minus 4391 lol all other 43s going PL
as for PL im not sure what 28 tridents are going to YW
Quote from: cris 99 on July 21, 2018, 11:18:40 AM
as for PL im not sure what 28 tridents are going to YW
4544-4556/4578-4592 I think but not 100% sure.
Quote from: John on July 20, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
4506 and 4507 in convoy on the Lichfield Road just before 9am heading to Perry Barr.
We still have 4283 (out on the 94), 4286, 4287 (parked in garage) and 4291
4283 has transfered from PB to AG.
Seen at Five Ways outside Morrisons on the 1 at 11:40.
4284 & 4285 were also on the 1 today (along with newly branded 2216 FOR THE 4/4a), plus 4260 & 4264 also on the 1 (the home of elderly Tridents)
Quote from: RobQuinton on July 21, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
4284 & 4285 were also on the 1 today (along with newly branded 2216 FOR THE 4/4a), plus 4260 & 4264 also on the 1 (the home of elderly Tridents)
They're 16 year old Volvo B7TL ALX400 not Tridents.
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 21, 2018, 12:02:25 PM
4544-4556/4578-4592 I think but not 100% sure.
Correct.
4533 and 4534 now with us. Both parked in the back yard facing the wall so don't look fit for service yet
Quote from: RobQuinton on July 21, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
4284 & 4285 were also on the 1 today (along with newly branded 2216 FOR THE 4/4a), plus 4260 & 4264 also on the 1 (the home of elderly Tridents)
The 1 isn't just the home of them. The 11, 72/3 are also the home for them.
Have I read correctly that the 5 is now ALX400 B7TL? Hence AG getting the lot of PB's?
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2018, 09:36:08 AM
The 1 isn't just the home of them. The 11, 72/3 are also the home for them.
Have I read correctly that the 5 is now ALX400 B7TL? Hence AG getting the lot of PB's?
Yes, and the 73 as they now Interwork.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 23, 2018, 09:39:34 AM
Yes, and the 73 as they now Interwork.
Thanks for the info -
@V89MOA, I was not expecting that!
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2018, 09:47:48 AM
Thanks for the info - @V89MOA, I was not expecting that!
Don't forget it could just be for the summer holidays, like the 65/67
Quote from: John on July 22, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
4533 and 4534 now with us. Both parked in the back yard facing the wall so don't look fit for service yet
Saying that, one (looked like 4534) is out on the 65/67 today
What is on the 31 today?
4555 at YW (76)
4281 and 4288 0n AG73 today.
saw 4583 on the 6 today not sure if its already been mentioned
4578 WN-YW
4377 YW-WN
So far moved WN-YW
4550/51/5/78/82-5/7-92
so far moved YW-WN
4340/62-6/73/7/8/8/1
Moved AG-PB
4500-7/33/34
So far moved PB-AG
4279/81-9
Quote from: Tony on July 26, 2018, 10:33:32 AM
So far moved WN-YW
4550/51/5/78/82-5/7-92
so far moved YW-WN
4340/62-6/73/7/8/8/1
Moved AG-PB
4500-7/33/34
So far moved PB-AG
4279/81-9
Tony, on the YW-WN list, should the end read.../80/1
4580/81 WN-YW
4337/8 YW-WN
4579 now at YW (2).
4552 is another one to swap (76).
4291 is now in service at AG.
4374 & 4376 are now at Wolves.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 13, 2018, 09:45:51 PM
4291 is now in service at AG.
4374 & 4376 are now at Wolves.
4586 has gone in the other direction to YW. It was on the 255 on Saturday so its a fresh transfer.
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2018, 10:23:51 PM
4586 has gone in the other direction to YW. It was on the 255 on Saturday so its a fresh transfer.
There are just 2 left to go each way
4553 & 4556 WN-YW
4360 & 4368 YW-WN
The next batch of transfers ready for September are now starting
2129 & 2130 BC-WA
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2018, 10:32:14 PM
There are just 2 left to go each way
4553 & 4556 WN-YW
4360 & 4368 YW-WN
The next batch of transfers ready for September are now starting
2129 & 2130 BC-WA
Is PN getting more b7s (126?) or double deckers (X10)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 13, 2018, 11:04:46 PM
Is PN getting more b7s (126?) or double deckers (X10)
no to single deckers no to platinums for x10
Quote from: karl724223 on August 14, 2018, 01:15:47 AM
no to single deckers no to platinums for x10
Will the 126 go back to being Trident operated then, or something else entirely, since I presume the WN E400 MMC's will be used on the X7 and X8?
Quote from: StourValley98 on August 14, 2018, 01:27:22 AM
Will the 126 go back to being Trident operated then, or something else entirely, since I presume the WN E400 MMC's will be used on the X7 and X8?
I don't think that is true I'm pretty sure there will be new 68 regs coming in for the X7 and X8
@Tony is this true
Quote from: Hammad on August 14, 2018, 10:50:18 AM
I don't think that is true I'm pretty sure there will be new 68 regs coming in for the X7 and X8 @Tony is this true
How do you know there are 68 reg platinums due for the X7 and X8?
Quote from: BN on August 12, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
No as there are only enough Platinums for the X7/8 services. We are just utilising the spares in the summer schedules.
Surely the above post confirms that WN's platinums will be used on the X7 and X8.
Quote from: Hammad on August 14, 2018, 10:50:18 AM
I don't think that is true I'm pretty sure there will be new 68 regs coming in for the X7 and X8 @Tony is this true
I believe any new buses on order (that have yet to be announced) are due near the end of this year.
4556 Now at YW
Should the 43xx and 45xx Trident allocations at WN/YW now be like this ?
WN: 4310-25/33-35/37-40/42-45; 4360-81; 4535-43/57-64.
YW: 4382-90/92-94; 4544-56/65-92
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 14, 2018, 02:05:40 PM
Should the 43xx and 45xx Trident allocations at WN/YW now be like this ?
WN: 4310-25/33-35/37-40/42-45; 4360-81; 4535-43/57-64.
YW: 4382-90/92-94; 4544-56/65-92
4370-71 off to the paintshop.
Quote from: BN on August 14, 2018, 07:27:10 PM
4370-71 off to the paintshop.
I still have 4361/69-71 at YW and 4546/54 at WN - but I assume these have also made the move officially.
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2018, 10:32:14 PM
There are just 2 left to go each way
4553 & 4556 WN-YW
4360 & 4368 YW-WN
The next batch of transfers ready for September are now starting
2129 & 2130 BC-WA
Are we having more urban 2 B7RLES for Walsall or just them two
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 15, 2018, 09:41:16 PM
Are we having more urban 2 B7RLES for Walsall or just them two
Saw one go past Perry Barr northbound this evening but couldn't ID or say if it was specifically being transferred
2131 and 2132 transferred from BC to WA last night according to a post on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group.
I wonder if this spells the end of B7RLEs at BC. The ones transferred so far are right in the middle of the remaining batch of 2124-42, and given the policy of keeping blocks of fleetnumbers together you'd assume more will move. They only need a few now for the just the X21 so they could be swapped for something else from a engineering efficiency perspective.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 16, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
2131 and 2132 transferred from BC to WA last night according to a post on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group.
i wonder that they might be used for the 10/A routes
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 16, 2018, 03:37:59 PM
i wonder that they might be used for the 10/A routes
Or maybe so thr 29 can go back to B7RLE's?
Quote from: Jack on August 16, 2018, 03:54:34 PM
Or maybe so thr 29 can go back to B7RLE's?
oh that would be nice im not saying that i dont like the tridents it just that the B7RLES are better on the night journeys because barely anyone gets on the night journeys except for the last one from walsall
837 wb-ag is this true
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 16, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
837 wb-ag is this true
It'll be interesting to see what they're for?
Not much I can see a bus that size being suitable for at AG?
58? Or maybe the 1A or 31 (if cutting it back to Acocks Green and no longer serving Solihull Town Centre mean a bus that size is now suitable)?
831-836 to follow too
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
Not true
837 WB-CV
Is 837 actually a transfer
@Tony? As I saw a post earlier by a driver stating it's a loan.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 16, 2018, 10:22:11 PM
Is 837 actually a transfer @Tony? As I saw a post earlier by a driver stating it's a loan.
Transfer, That's why I put it in the transfer page
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2018, 10:36:24 PM
Transfer, That's why I put it in the transfer page
Cheers
@Tony.
Is 837 a replacement for fire-damaged 2151 or will 838-39 [or any others] make the move too? (bolstering CV's E200 allocation somewhat).
Slight change of subject - have 4546/54 made a move to YW from WN and presumably 4361/69 going the other way? I haven't seen any reports of these transferring (yet).
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 17, 2018, 04:21:14 PM
Is 837 a replacement for fire-damaged 2151 or will 838-39 [or any others] make the move too? (bolstering CV's E200 allocation somewhat).
Slight change of subject - have 4546/54 made a move to YW from WN and presumably 4361/69 going the other way? I haven't seen any reports of these transferring (yet).
Yes they have. Last one is 4553 for 4368
@Tony has 4345 transferred to pensnett seen it driven toward the garage @11am
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 20, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
@Tony has 4345 transferred to pensnett seen it driven toward the garage @11am
No
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2018, 11:23:07 AM
No
How many B7RLES are we getting from B.C. to WA
6123 YW-PN
760 PN-WN
Quote from: karl724223 on August 20, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
today ?
Yup, just passed it on the 11 coming out of Wolverhampton.
4372; 4373 WN-CV
4305; 4306; 4307 WA-PN
4306 already out on the 120 today, if anyone needs it. Just passed Sheepcote Street heading Dudley bound.
Quote from: CL on August 21, 2018, 01:13:01 PM
4306 already out on the 120 today, if anyone needs it. Just passed Sheepcote Street heading Dudley bound.
6123 on X96 today
Have 4305-4307 been trapped then?
Quote from: cardew on August 21, 2018, 05:28:26 PM
Have 4305-4307 been trapped then?
No, presumably a 'last resort allocation' They are for the 6 route
4230 AG-WB
835 WB-AG
Quote from: cardew on August 21, 2018, 05:28:26 PM
Have 4305-4307 been trapped then?
yes they are trapped down the farm now 😂
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
4230 AG-WB
835 WB-AG
Does anyone know what route/s the E200 will be for at Acocks Green?
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2018, 06:10:03 PM
Does anyone know what route/s the E200 will be for at Acocks Green?
They'd suit the 31 from what I've seen of it. I can't see it lasting very long at NX.
2081, 2086 PN-WN
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2018, 06:10:03 PM
Does anyone know what route/s the E200 will be for at Acocks Green?
I would presume it is for JLR contract work.
Quote from: Stu on August 21, 2018, 06:31:28 PM
I would presume it is for JLR contract work.
Both guesses correct JLR & 31
4331 WA-WN
2128 BC-WA
834 WB-AG
4250 AG-WB
1934 YW-WB
2125 BC-WA any truth
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 22, 2018, 09:36:55 PM
2125 BC-WA any truth
Given that there is a picture of it on the main site in West Midlands Buses livery, what do you think?
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 22, 2018, 09:35:58 PM
Looks like 2125 might be the first urban 2 B7RLE to go Crimson or for the new 31/32 route
Its not in crimson, its in West Midlands Bus livery, for when the joint operation is launched on the 31/32 on the 2nd September.
Even if it was being repainted into Crimson, it wouldn't be the first, there are some at Wolverhampton in Crimson.
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2018, 09:44:52 PM
Given that there is a picture of it on the main site in West Midlands Buses livery, what do you think?Its not in crimson, its in West Midlands Bus livery, for when the joint operation is launched on the 31/32 on the 2nd September.
Even if it was being repainted into Crimson, it wouldn't be the first, there are some at Wolverhampton in Crimson.
It hasn't transferred yet, It has returned to BC for the time being, but won't be used in service
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2018, 09:44:52 PM
Given that there is a picture of it on the main site in West Midlands Buses livery, what do you think?Its not in crimson, its in West Midlands Bus livery, for when the joint operation is launched on the 31/32 on the 2nd September.
Even if it was being repainted into Crimson, it wouldn't be the first, there are some at Wolverhampton in Crimson.
Sorry I did mean wmb livery and I forgot that the other ones in Wolverhampton oops
Summary of transfers so far happened ready for the new timetables in Serptember
760 PN-WN
834; 835 WB-AG
837 WB-CV
1934 YW-WB
2081; 2083; 2086 PN-WN
2128; 2129; 2130; 2131; 2132 BC-WA
4206; 4207; 4215; 4216 CV-withdrawn
4230; 4250 AG-WB
4227; 4231; 4234; 4260 AG-withdrawn
4305; 4306; 4307; 4308; 4309 WA-PN
4331 WA-WN
4370; 4371; 4372; 4373; 4374; 4375 WN-CV
6123; 6124 YW-PN
What about 1934?
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 23, 2018, 10:15:54 AM
What about 1934?
Although WB told me they had collected it yesterday it is still at YW
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2018, 10:30:03 AM
Although WB told me they had collected it yesterday it is still at YW
It has now moved this morning, so I have amended the list
So September moves look like a PVR reduction at BC allowing some CV Y reg tridents to be withdrawn
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 23, 2018, 02:09:26 PM
So September moves look like a PVR reduction at BC allowing some CV Y reg tridents to be withdrawn
I thought they don't cut PVRs when they do these reviews??
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 23, 2018, 02:09:26 PM
So September moves look like a PVR reduction at BC allowing some CV Y reg tridents to be withdrawn
That takes CV's total to 157 (that's taking the recent 42xx withdrawals into account and excludes the JLR coaches/includes recent arrival 837) which is a few too many compared to recent times. So assume a few more early Tridents will go very soon.
I've included damaged 2151, that one doesn't seem to have been officially withdrawn yet, I assume its's going for scrap eventually.
Quote from: Straightlines on August 23, 2018, 02:37:29 PM
I thought they don't cut PVRs when they do these reviews??
Other garages have increased hence the need for vehicle moves
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2018, 02:44:33 PM
Other garages have increased hence the need for vehicle moves
On your list Tony, you mean ex-Walsall 4305-9 have gone to WN and not PN.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 23, 2018, 02:54:26 PM
On your list Tony, you mean ex-Walsall 4305-9 have gone to WN and not PN.
@paulb1973, it's not a mistake. 4305-9 have gone to Pensnett.
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 23, 2018, 03:01:53 PM
@paulb1973, it's not a mistake. 4305-9 have gone to Pensnett.
Gotcha! I read the message from Tony (on 21 Aug) wrong, 4305-7 did indeed go to PN (I had read it as WN incorrectly).
2085; 2087 PN-WN
@BN what routes will the additional b7s be used on?
1933 YW-WB
831; 832 WB-AG
2082; 2084 PN-WN
with several more transfers happening today here is the updated list
760 PN-WN
831; 832; 833; 834; 835; 836 WB-AG
837 WB-CV
1933; 1934 YW-WB
2081; 2082; 2083; 2084; 2085; 2086; 2087 PN-WN
2128; 2129; 2130; 2131; 2132 BC-WA
4206; 4207; 4215; 4216 CV-withdrawn
4228; 4229; 4230; 4250; 4303 AG-WB
4227; 4234; 4260 AG-withdrawn
4305; 4306; 4307; 4308; 4309 WA-PN
4331; 4332 WA-WN
4370; 4371; 4372; 4373; 4374; 4375; 4380 WN-CV
6123; 6124 YW-PN
1911 YW - WB? happened to see it parked in garage last night.
Quote from: WB Driver on August 25, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
1911 YW - WB? happened to see it parked in garage last night.
No
Looks like 4442/3 have packed there bags and left as well
Quote from: karl724223 on August 27, 2018, 11:35:56 AM
Looks like 4442/3 have packed there bags and left as well
@Trident 4194 must of upset them, have they gone back to BC?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 27, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
@Trident 4194 must of upset them, have they gone back to BC?
Glad to see them go the 43** are more than welcome to stay
4329 WA-PN
2125 BC-WA
2088; 2089 PN-WN
Are there many more transfers left Tony?
Quote from: B.C Driver on August 28, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
Are there many more transfers left Tony?
Yes.
I'm at BC at the moment, just about to take 2124 to WA
4330 WA - PN (On 129 today)
Is the move of 4442-43 from PN to BC confirmed?
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Is the move of 4442-43 from PN to BC confirmed?
Yes.
Not sure on what 1911 is doing at WB though.
4326; 4327 & 4328 all now parked up at Walsall ready to go to PN
I've just driven 2124 BC-WA. 2133 will be going tonight
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
Is the move of 4442-43 from PN to BC confirmed?
4443 is running on the 63 today. Left Birmingham at about 16:30
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2018, 03:37:44 PM
Yes.
Not sure on what 1911 is doing at WB though.
4326; 4327 & 4328 all now parked up at Walsall ready to go to PN
I've just driven 2124 BC-WA. 2133 will be going tonight
I saw 1911 out on the 49 earlier also has 4291 transferred to WB or is it a loan as it was on the 128
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 28, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
4443 is running on the 63 today. Left Birmingham at about 16:30
Even with 4442-43 at BC, the outgoing 2133 leaves B'ham Central with less than 200 vehicles [excluding the JLR coaches]
11 B7RLE (2126-27/34-42)
61 Trident (4148/66/72/76-77/79/83r/85; 4442-49/55-74; 4610-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
68 E400MMC (6825-92)
___
Total 199
Admittedly the situation seems to be fluid at the moment and those 41xx allocations may be out of date.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
Even with 4442-43 at BC, the outgoing 2133 leaves B'ham Central with less than 200 vehicles [excluding the JLR coaches]
11 B7RLE (2126-27/34-42)
61 Trident (4148/66/72/76-77/79/83r/85; 4442-49/55-74; 4610-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
68 E400MMC (6825-92)
___
Total 199
Admittedly the situation seems to be fluid at the moment and those 41xx allocations may be out of date.
Why you discounting the coaches though. There's only so much room in a garage
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2018, 03:37:44 PM
Yes.
Not sure on what 1911 is doing at WB though.
4326; 4327 & 4328 all now parked up at Walsall ready to go to PN
I've just driven 2124 BC-WA. 2133 will be going tonight
1911 is the replacement for 1935.
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2018, 05:48:39 PM
Why you discounting the coaches though. There's only so much room in a garage
I've been excluding the coaches [on my own notes] - but if you include BC's allocation, that takes the total to over 200 (do Walsall's 90-95/116/135 see JLR work - or do they do other things?).
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 07:24:01 PM
I've been excluding the coaches [on my own notes] - but if you include BC's allocation, that takes the total to over 200 (do Walsall's 90-95/116/135 see JLR work - or do they do other things?).
WA's coaches do proper NX coach diagrams, mostly those that Whittle's operated before being closed down.
Quote from: BN on August 28, 2018, 06:14:58 PM
1911 is the replacement for 1935.
Hopefully only temporarily
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2018, 07:37:24 PM
Hopefully only temporarily
What's wrong with 1935 if you don't mind me asking??
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2018, 07:35:32 PM
WA's coaches do proper NX coach diagrams, mostly those that Whittle's operated before being closed down.
Right you are! I don't know much about the JLR contracts - some seem to be internal circuits (at the Gaydon site I assume) while other journeys I presume involve transporting staff from the Coventry/B'ham area to/from that factory. There is a Whitley (Coventry) site too.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 07:45:20 PM
Right you are! I don't know much about the JLR contracts - some seem to be internal circuits (at the Gaydon site I assume) while other journeys I presume involve transporting staff from the Coventry/B'ham area to/from that factory. There is a Whitley (Coventry) site too.
You are right though, the NXWM bus fleet is shrinking.
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2018, 07:37:24 PM
Hopefully only temporarily
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 28, 2018, 07:40:08 PM
What's wrong with 1935 if you don't mind me asking??
I may be wrong but I'm sure I caught 1935 on the 27 on Saturday afternoon, didn't seem anything wrong with it at the time.
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2018, 08:19:58 PM
I may be wrong but I'm sure I caught 1935 on the 27 on Saturday afternoon, didn't seem anything wrong with it at the time.
It was also out yesterday.
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2018, 07:49:35 PM
You are right though, the NXWM bus fleet is shrinking.
The BC bus fleet and perhaps at YW too, have taken a bit of a dip. Perry Barr doesn't seem as high as it was. If anything Coventry has risen - but there may be some more 42xx withdrawals to come.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 28, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
The BC bus fleet and perhaps at YW too, have taken a bit of a dip.
The whole point of the South Birmingham review, wasn't it?
861; 862 WN-WA
2230 AG-YW
Quote from: BN on August 29, 2018, 10:32:48 AM
861; 862 WN-WA
Will these be back ups for the 70/A and the 36 or completely different
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 29, 2018, 10:37:01 PM
Will these be back ups for the 70/A and the 36 or completely different
36 will now be on Darlaston running boards and interworking with them, E200's will be still be required as Omnilinks would struggle around Alumwell.
4358; 4359 WA-WN
2231 AG-YW
Updated list of transfers for the revised services from Sunday
758/9 to move PN-WB on Sunday
760 PN-WN
831-6 WB-AG
837 (with 838/9 to follow today) WB-CV
861/2 WN-WA
1911/33/34 (with one more to follow) YW-WB
2081-2089 PN-WN
2124-33 BC-WA
2230/1 (with 2232/3 to follow) AG-YW
4227/8/9/50/303 (with 4266/304 to follow) AG-WB
4305-9/26-30 WA-PN
4331/2/58/9 WA-WN
4370-81 (four still to move) WN-CV
4442/3 PN-BC
6123/4 YW-PN
4181 & 4183 have been made fit at BC to be used if neccesary
4227/34/60 AG-withdrawn
4206/7/15/16 CV-withdrawn with more to follow on receipt of 43xx
4379 WN-CV, outside paintshop. 3 left to do.
all transfers for September are now on the main site
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 31, 2018, 07:26:51 PM
all transfers for September are now on the main site
Official transfers, yes. However I am quoting for enthusiasts looking for that particular vehicle.
I suspect 863 might move to pensnett or Walsall to be with PN 864-870 or Walsalls 855-862 I can't see it staying at Wolverhampton anylonger
Has 4606/7/8/9 moved to Birmingham central or are they still at walsall
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 14, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
Has 4606/7/8/9 moved to Birmingham central or are they still at walsall
What makes you think they'd have transferred?
@StourValley98 has a pic on his flickr page of 4607 still at Walsall yesterday?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/42861660850/in/photolist-28ixduA-LnX8KQ-GWRgjH-26AGz5k-23cdh3M-Xi4VMN-NA9hCe-oqM2BR-mtwjxK-m2Cikt-jUnQWJ-hMghmL-bpC1XY-tuog8C-tunK5E-nJaaAa-6za3kp
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 14, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
Has 4606/7/8/9 moved to Birmingham central or are they still at walsall
No. They're still at WA. 4607 is/was on the 937 this afternoon.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
What makes you think they'd have transferred?
@StourValley98 has a pic on his flickr page of 4607 still at Walsall yesterday?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/42861660850/in/photolist-28ixduA-LnX8KQ-GWRgjH-26AGz5k-23cdh3M-Xi4VMN-NA9hCe-oqM2BR-mtwjxK-m2Cikt-jUnQWJ-hMghmL-bpC1XY-tuog8C-tunK5E-nJaaAa-6za3kp
Sorry I didn't know what makes you think I check Flickr 24/7
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
What makes you think they'd have transferred?
@StourValley98 has a pic on his flickr page of 4607 still at Walsall yesterday?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/42861660850/in/photolist-28ixduA-LnX8KQ-GWRgjH-26AGz5k-23cdh3M-Xi4VMN-NA9hCe-oqM2BR-mtwjxK-m2Cikt-jUnQWJ-hMghmL-bpC1XY-tuog8C-tunK5E-nJaaAa-6za3kp
What makes you think that he's looked at that specific Flikr page?
Quote from: Nathan on September 14, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
No. They're still at WA. 4607 is/was on the 937 this afternoon.
Thanks Nathan
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 14, 2018, 07:30:27 PM
Sorry I didn't know what makes you think I check Flickr 24/7
I don't think that, I just came across that pic after a quick search (to see if there were any recent pics of them on a BC route) that took me 2 minutes.
I was just wandering what your reason for asking was, as i'd not noticed any on a BC route and if one had transfered someone usually would have said.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2018, 07:32:37 PM
I don't think that, I just came across that pic after a quick search (to see if there were any recent pics of them on a BC route) that took me 2 minutes.
I was just wandering what your reason for asking was, as i'd not noticed any on a BC route and if one had transfered someone usually would have said.
I apologise
@2206 I was being a bit rude there
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 14, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
I apologise @2206 I was being a bit rude there
You weren't tbh. It's just
@2206 being their usual pedantic self!With so much information coming through here it's easy to miss something.
Quote from: Dom on September 14, 2018, 07:46:41 PM
You weren't tbh. It's just @2206 being their usual pedantic self!With so much information coming through here it's easy to miss something.
Thanks
@Dom
4136 has been rescued from the reserve line at Pensnett and is now at Wolverhampton for reinstatement
760 WN-PN
2090 PN-WN
4543 WN-withdrawn
4308 PN-WN
What happened to 4543?
Quote from: Wolves256 on November 02, 2018, 08:52:33 AM
What happened to 4543?
Arson attack on the 79 a few weeks ago
Quote from: John on November 02, 2018, 08:55:42 AM
Arson attack on the 79 a few weeks ago
will it be back in service or fully withdrawn
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 02, 2018, 04:47:11 PM
will it be back in service or fully withdrawn
It's withdrawn so never coming back plus it was set on fire so the cost to repair out does the value of the vehicle and it's 14 years old so it's cheaper to scrap it
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on November 02, 2018, 05:28:26 PM
It's withdrawn so never coming back plus it was set on fire so the cost to repair out does the value of the vehicle and it's 14 years old so it's cheaper to scrap it
How bad was the damage?
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2018, 05:44:19 PM
How bad was the damage?
Only internal panel & trim damage and easily repairable, but not worth doing when tridents are due to be withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
Only internal panel & trim damage and easily repairable, but not worth doing when tridents are due to be withdrawn
that is a surprise considering a lot of the recently transferred tridents from that batch had investment by fitting the traps
Quote from: mranon on November 02, 2018, 08:32:20 PM
that is a surprise considering a lot of the recently transferred tridents from that batch had investment by fitting the traps
But this one hasn't so is worth a lot less
4343 WN-withdrawn
Are the badly damaged vehicles stripped for spares?
I brought out scania omnilink 1911 to play on the streets of Warley and brum yesterday , fresh transfer I assume.
1934 has lost its truck hooter and gained a wimpey pathetic sounding excuse for a horn , just plain embarrassing to use , oh the hooter on 1911 is also pathetic as well .
@2900 you will getting Gemini's again soon to play with!!!
Quote from: BN on November 15, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
4343 WN-withdrawn
Does this count as the first 'normal' withdrawal in the 4305-4404 batch? (leaving aside 4336/41/55/4401). I still have accident damaged 4391 in storage, although it may have been scrapped too!
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on November 19, 2018, 11:25:52 AM
@2900 you will getting Gemini's again soon to play with!!!
Myself and few others kinda guessed the Gemini,s would return to west brom at some point, I for one welcome it , west brom fleet has become boring to me any way, wonder which batch we,ll end up with 4400,4500,or the 4600s
Quote from: 2900 on November 19, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
Myself and few others kinda guessed the Gemini,s would return to west brom at some point, I for one welcome it , west brom fleet has become boring to me any way, wonder which batch we,ll end up with 4400,4500,or the 4600s
If WB get them to replace the ALX400 they'll be ex AG from the 11 (Outer Circle), which is getting 61XX E400 MMC of the 9 and 50, so they won't be 44XX.
They'll be 45XX or 46XX from the 11, AG don't have any 44XX.
Quote from: 2900 on November 19, 2018, 03:07:53 PM
Myself and few others kinda guessed the Gemini,s would return to west brom at some point, I for one welcome it , west brom fleet has become boring to me any way, wonder which batch we,ll end up with 4400,4500,or the 4600s
All the 45**'s at AG (so that'll be 4508-19, 4521-32) and 4677/8/9 according to a comment left on the West Midlands PTE, Predecessors & Successors Facebook page by an AG staff member.
Quote from: Nathan on November 19, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
All the 45**'s at AG (so that'll be 4508-19, 4521-32) and 4677/8/9 according to a comment left on the West Midlands PTE, Predecessors & Successors Facebook page by an AG staff member.
Are 4508-19, 4521-23 trapped? If not, will they get trapped, or just be replacing non-euro 6 ALX400s?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 19, 2018, 06:55:36 PM
Are 4508-19, 4521-23 trapped? If not, will they get trapped, or just be replacing non-euro 6 ALX400s?
No they're not.
I'm sure Tony has mentioned how the Euro 6 modifications can be transferred between vehicles if needs be. Perhaps the 45xx Gemini's that aren't trapped will be for WB.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 19, 2018, 06:55:36 PM
Are 4508-19, 4521-23 trapped? If not, will they get trapped, or just be replacing non-euro 6 ALX400s?
It has been mentioned that they will be used on the 48 and if so won't require traps like the current ALX400s, but of course that could be wrong
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 19, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
It has been mentioned that they will be used on the 48 and if so won't require traps like the current ALX400s, but of course that could be wrong
They could also go on the 89, being every half an hour, it doesn't need euro 6 compliant buses
Hopefully they'll appear on the 451 to Sutton on occasion, it's always pleasant having 'family' buses on Jockey Road and on the Parade!
How soon are the alx 400 being withdrawn then?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 20, 2018, 09:59:11 AM
How soon are the alx 400 being withdrawn then?
As all the Platinum's are due in service by the end of the year, the end of the year?
I would assume transfers and withdrawals would happen once the new fleet of platinums come online , so far nothing has arrived from ADL yet
Quote from: 2900 on November 20, 2018, 10:28:03 AM
I would assume transfers and withdrawals would happen once the new fleet of platinums come online , so far nothing has arrived from ADL yet
There's 3 x YW Platinum's parked in BC
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 20, 2018, 09:59:11 AM
How soon are the alx 400 being withdrawn then?
Some will definitely be due to go iminently, as more arrive over the next few weeks.
But they're not all going this year, it's already been confirmed by
@Tony that 4276 - 4291 will be stopping for now on the AG 5 and 73.
Any news on the 952 transfers i presume 4 or 5 scanias will be or have been transferred to walsall
Quote from: cris 99 on November 25, 2018, 11:26:36 AM
Any news on the 952 transfers i presume 4 or 5 scanias will be or have been transferred to walsall
1898 & 1899 Have just arrived at Walsall in the last 5 minutes
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 11:51:56 AM
1898 & 1899 Have just arrived at Walsall in the last 5 minutes
Been told 1862 has also gone back after its long term loan at PB.
Yes it as I've seen it on route 37 today
1862 is now back in Willenhall I believe now it will work the 1550 route 41 to Walsall
1901 also back at Walsall on the 952
Quote from: John on November 26, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
1901 also back at Walsall on the 952
1904 is on the 34. Is that another one that's moved over?
Quote from: Nathan on November 26, 2018, 02:38:06 PM
1904 is on the 34. Is that another one that's moved over?
Not due to transfer, so Hopefully a loan.
Quote from: John on November 26, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
1901 also back at Walsall on the 952
Only a loan, now back at PB - on the 7 today
1900 PB-WA
6139/40 YW-AG
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2018, 01:09:10 PM
6139/40 YW-AG
This the beginning of movements of a considerable number of buses presumably. The remaining Y/TOH's aside - is anything else due to leave Coventry when 6951-67 enter service?
4677 AG-WB
6141 now at AG. 6137 and 6143 also ready to go
4531 AG-PB
6125 YW-AG
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2018, 06:02:20 PM
6125 YW-AG
Are the gonna be more transfers during now and the end of the week
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on December 19, 2018, 07:03:27 PM
Are the gonna be more transfers during now and the end of the week
Lots, as new buses enter service
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
4531 AG-PB
Just looking on various FB groups - seems 4532 is going too.
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2018, 07:09:12 PM
Lots, as new buses enter service
Thanks most appreciated
Summary so far in December here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html?
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2018, 06:53:10 PM
Summary so far in December here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html?
1 more happening tonight Tony, 4326 PN-WN
What happened to 4329?
The 61xx I,ve seen on the hagley rd with branding removed look really good but the ghosting from the removed vinyl wrap is bloody obvious from miles away , some ones gona busy with the G3 and polishing mop.
Quote from: 2900 on December 21, 2018, 11:05:26 AM
The 61xx I,ve seen on the hagley rd with branding removed look really good but the ghosting from the removed vinyl wrap is bloody obvious from miles away , some ones gona busy with the G3 and polishing mop.
They're not because the new will cover it
4326 to West Bromwich? Intresting or typing error.
Quote from: PB2938 on December 22, 2018, 03:07:30 PM
4326 to West Bromwich? Intresting or typing error.
No. Transfer to Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2018, 06:53:10 PM
Summary so far in December here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html?
@Tony 4305 is shown as being withdrawn in both November & December.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 22, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
No. Transfer to Wolverhampton.
@Tony is showing it as transfer to WB.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 22, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
@Tony is showing it as transfer to WB.
It is a typo and is at WN. Saw it on the 15 yesterday.
4532 now moved AG-PB
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
4532 now moved AG-PB
Saw 4532 on the 94 yesterday, on Coleshill Road inbound I think about 10:40ish. I meant to post about it myself as a transfer
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 23, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
Saw 4532 on the 94 yesterday, on Coleshill Road inbound I think about 10:40ish. I meant to post about it myself as a transfer
Managed to grab a photo of it myself when it was in the city, after looking back through my photos.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/44613107070/
fleet changes updated to as of today
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Only new delivery in the last 48 hours is BC 6947
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6947.html
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2018, 07:10:25 PM
fleet changes updated to as of today
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4168 is showing as sold to PVS for scrap during December, isn't that the one being converted to a trainer?
Should the scrapped Trident not be 4169 instead?
Quote from: Winston on December 28, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
4168 is showing as sold to PVS for scrap during December, isn't that the one being converted to a trainer?
Should the scrapped Trident not be 4169 instead?
Thanks, Yes 4168 is the conversion. Need to check on the sales list again
757 WB-WN
4509 and 4511 had landed at WB when I finished earlier.
Quote from: 979 on January 03, 2019, 09:12:23 PM
4509 and 4511 had landed at WB when I finished earlier.
Also I believe 6129 has landed at Acocks green
When are PNs 6111-24/6711-6718 going to begin to move?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 03, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
When are PNs 6111-24/6711-6718 going to begin to move?
When Yardley wood have there's gone probaly
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 04, 2019, 12:17:48 AM
When Yardley wood have there's gone probaly
Why does it have anything to do with the MMC at Yardley Wood ???
Some of the 67XX batch are likely going to Walsall, rather than Acocks Green as well.
I've been told 6717 has moved to Walsall from Pensnett.
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
I've been told 6717 has moved to Walsall from Pensnett.
6122 off to Acocks Green today too
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
I've been told 6717 has moved to Walsall from Pensnett.
I think PN are up to approx 13 Platinum's, 6717 is the first E400MMC released from PN.
Quote from: Winston on January 04, 2019, 02:24:24 PM
I think PN are up to approx 13 Platinum's, 6717 is the first E400MMC released from PN.
Second! 6122 beat it by an hour or so!
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:02:13 PM
I've been told 6717 has moved to Walsall from Pensnett.
6717 is out for the first time at Walsall this afternoon on a peak board. It's left Walsall on the 16:25 X51 to Birmingham, and will operate the 17:10 937 to Brownhills West before returning to garage.
6712 PN-WA
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
6712 PN-WA
It's just gone out on an afternoon peak board. Left Walsall at 16:25 on an X51 to Birmingham. Will be on late night 937A's tonight starting with the 20:17 off Birmingham.
4353 WA-WN
4231 & 4297 at AG are now withdrawn and it looks like WB have dropped 4303 as well
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
4231 & 4297 at AG are now withdrawn and it looks like WB have dropped 4303 as well
Are the plans to withdrawn up to 43** this year when 2019s deliveries (if any are due) come at the end of the year
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 07, 2019, 10:04:14 PM
Are the plans to withdrawn up to 43** this year when 2019s deliveries (if any are due) come at the end of the year
I doubt that they'll get rid of 4276 - 4291 yet and Tony did say they are staying for now with Birmingham going Euro 6 in 2020, the same goes for the YW trapped 43XX and the trapped 42XX at WB?
Maybe non trapped buses up to 4424 though depending on how many new buses are ordered in 2019?
6713 PN - WA
6712 at WA leaving Walsall now
934 1015 to Birmingham
4134 WN - withdrawn
4354 WA-WN
6718 PN-WA. Just left Walsall on the 15:30 X51 to Birmingham. Will do the 16:17 934 to Walsall, 17:25 935 to Birmingham and 18:35 X51 back to Walsall before returning to garage.
4397 Coventry - withdrawn
4352 WA-WN
4160 WN-Withdrawn
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
4352 WA-WN
4160 WN-Withdrawn
4357 at Wolverhampton too, can't see it mentioned. Saw it yesterday
6715 PN-WA.
759 WB - PN
6113 PN-AG
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2019, 09:00:34 AM
759 WB - PN
6113 PN-AG
Presume the e200 move is so that the 28 can be allocated to minis permanently
4510 AG - WB
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 11, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Presume the e200 move is so that the 28 can be allocated to minis permanently
we have three route only need three now we have four
Quote from: karl724223 on January 11, 2019, 08:20:18 PM
we have three route only need three now we have four
Theory is to make sure 3 are available for the 28, if all 4 are available the forth will most likely be on the 5
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2019, 08:21:22 PM
Theory is to make sure 3 are available for the 28, if all 4 are available the forth will most likely be on the 5
or parked up at merry hill as a stand by ready for 731/2 to breakdown
Quote from: karl724223 on January 11, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
or parked up at merry hill as a stand by ready for 731/2 to breakdown
732 didn't sound to good the other day. 731 as bad?
@karl724223
6115 PN - AG
6715 PN - WA
(neither in service at the moment before they appear in the Buses to find thread)
6111 PN - AG
4517 & 4524 AG - WB
6112 currently at WB on its way to AG
6711 waiting to move to AG as well
6112 and 6118 have just arrived at Acocks Green
6120 was on the 31 today. Is that the first time one of the 61** has appeared on it?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 16, 2019, 11:19:13 PM
6120 was on the 31 today. Is that the first time one of the 61** has appeared on it?
One was reported on there the other day, i recall. I'm unsure if i read it on here or one of the Facebook groups.
Quote from: Nathan on January 16, 2019, 11:20:26 PM
One was reported on there the other day, i recall. I'm unsure if i read it on here or one of the Facebook groups.
Yes, I did report one on here, 6145 on 11/01/19.
Quote from: 2206 on January 11, 2019, 05:58:14 PM
6145 is on the AG 31.
6708 was on the AG 4.
An Omnilink is on the YW 49.
6711 now at AG out on X12 currently between Chelmsley Wood and Airport heading for Solihull
4351 WA-WN
4357 WN-Withdrawn
has 4356 transferred havent seen it mentioned anywhere
Quote from: cris 99 on January 17, 2019, 04:51:46 PM
has 4356 transferred havent seen it mentioned anywhere
Currently at BC for replacement gearbox
4315 WN-Withdrawn
4308 WN-PN
Taken the tracking off 6114 on 14 tonight, transfer imminent I guess
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 19, 2019, 10:43:33 PM
Taken the tracking off 6114 on 14 tonight, transfer imminent I guess
I've noticed the tracking on this one and 6116 haven't worked since before Christmas
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 20, 2019, 07:19:34 AM
I've noticed the tracking on this one and 6116 haven't worked since before Christmas
All of 6111-6124 were moved to AG on the tracker in December
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2019, 09:32:06 AM
All of 6111-6124 were moved to AG on the tracker in December
Makes adjusting them when they're running late difficult. Also good to note if you want to radio 6116 you have to radio 0
4522/25 AG - WB
Quote from: BN on January 18, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
4315 WN-Withdrawn
4308 WN-PN
4308 is still at WN. Saw it departing Wolverhampton Bus Station on the 32 at 21:55.
6117 is now at AG from on loan to Perry bar
WE 4268 on the 48 today, thought it had already been withdrawn
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 21, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
4308 is still at WN. Saw it departing Wolverhampton Bus Station on the 32 at 21:55.
Officially transferred but not collected yet so still using it
4308 in service from PN today
4368; 4369 WN-Withdrawn
4356 WA-WN
Quote from: BN on January 26, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
4368; 4369 WN-Withdrawn
4356 WA-WN
Will the front LED displays from 4368, 4369 be fitted onto other Tridents?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 26, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
Will the front LED displays from 4368, 4369 be fitted onto other Tridents?
Yes, look out for them on the 59's.
Quote from: BN on January 26, 2019, 08:48:53 PM
Yes, look out for them on the 59's.
411 returned to Kings Ferry from BC
4523 AG - WB
4247 WB - Withdrawn
4529 now at WB
6127/6135 YW - AG
Both out on 5/73
4679 AG -WB
4527 AG - WB
4251/4263 WB - Withdrawn
YW 6131 to AG
4513 now at WB
4514 now at WB
Leaves 4512/16/18/21/26/28/30 & 4678 to arrive
Quote from: WB Driver on February 11, 2019, 04:09:02 PM
4514 now at WB
Leaves 4512/16/18/21/26/28/30 & 4678 to arrive
I've got 4519 still at AG - unless its moved across.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 11, 2019, 05:53:37 PM
I've got 4519 still at AG - unless its moved across.
Still at AG, currently on the 1
More transfers happening, getting Pensnett ready for the tender wins. 863 now at PN; 6716 on way to WA; 4349 going to WN to replace 863, then 757; 4350 & 6714 doing the same 3 way swap
Take it NX won the 267/657?
757 now at Pensnett
6714 will be on its way to WN to then swap with 4350
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2019, 03:30:07 PM
More transfers happening, getting Pensnett ready for the tender wins. 863 now at PN; 6716 on way to WA; 4349 going to WN to replace 863, then 757; 4350 & 6714 doing the same 3 way swap
6716 is out on WA6 today for its first day in service at Walsall.
As Walsall lost 10 Tridents in the past months at least 3 of these platinums should be allocated to trident routes.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 13, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
As Walsall lost 10 Tridents in the past months at least 3 of these platinums should be allocated to trident routes.
Not quite sure on your logic there.
Every garage normally has the correct number of buses of each type with the same percentage of spares. Walsall has been short of this figure for there platinum routes ever since the X51 started getting service increases, these moves just put the figures back correct. Yes they will turn up other routes when spares are available and other vehicle types have more buses unavailable the same as any other 'unusual working' but if you notice Walsall had 7 'trapped Tridents' moved in to cover their Birmingham routes, and now have 7 extra Platinums, exactly the same number.
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Not quite sure on your logic there.
Every garage normally has the correct number of buses of each type with the same percentage of spares. Walsall has been short of this figure for there platinum routes ever since the X51 started getting service increases, these moves just put the figures back correct. Yes they will turn up other routes when spares are available and other vehicle types have more buses unavailable the same as any other 'unusual working' but if you notice Walsall had 7 'trapped Tridents' moved in to cover their Birmingham routes, and now have 7 extra Platinums, exactly the same number.
My point is there's less Tridents on 41/89 8 since the departure of Tridents. Although the odd platinum is allocate to a 6/7 board. There not as many double decks as before. And it seems a waste a lot of these platinums parked up most of the day restricted to peak time boards.
6714 just arrived at WA completing that batch of transfers
Was this vehicle from pensnett as all the posts of seen of it led me to believe it was and also is this a long term transfer
Quote from: mark114 on February 15, 2019, 02:00:48 PM
Was this vehicle from pensnett as all the posts of seen of it led me to believe it was and also is this a long term transfer
Permanent move.
The X10 has had new buses, allowing these to go to WA, so there are enough platinum buses for their Platinum routes.
Thank you so much for your post/reply 2206 this info is greatly appreciated
6133 and 6134 0n AG 73 today.
4350 is on 529 today, I assume 4350's transfer from Walsall is finalised?
YW 6138 6134 to AG
Does anyone know which of 6111 - 6148 are still at YW/PN please?
Quote from: 2206 on February 25, 2019, 03:48:46 PM
Does anyone know which of 6111 - 6148 are still at YW/PN please?
Just 6114 & 6119 left to move
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
Just 6114 & 6119 left to move
Really why is there still so many Gemini's on the 11 then? I'm not complaining the Gemini's are far the superior vehicle but just wondered
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 25, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
Really why is there still so many Gemini's on the 11 then? I'm not complaining the Gemini's are far the superior vehicle but just wondered
I doubt there's enough for the 11 at present. 35 Gemini was never enough and they used ALX400 as well, so I don't think 38 MMC would be enough either.
Plus they're not all branded yet, so a few are being used on other routes, 6133 is on the X12 today and there's another on the 5/73.
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
Just 6114 & 6119 left to move
Thanks.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 13, 2019, 07:56:12 PM
My point is there's less Tridents on 41/89 8 since the departure of Tridents. Although the odd platinum is allocate to a 6/7 board. There not as many double decks as before. And it seems a waste a lot of these platinums parked up most of the day restricted to peak time boards.
I've seen Platties on the 89 & 41 last week.
Did Wolves get extra ones as I'm sure I saw one on the 69 as well?
Quote from: Westy on February 25, 2019, 06:37:32 PM
I've seen Platties on the 89 & 41 last week.
Did Wolves get extra ones as I'm sure I saw one on the 69 as well?
No WN haven't got any extra platinums. Just because you've seen a platinum on the 69 doesn't mean they've got extra platinums.
The X10 batch went to WA and AG where extra platinum were needed. Of the batch that where freed up WA got all of 6712 - 18 and AG got 6711. Its also been said 6701 - 58 and the later batches at present due to operational differences.
1876; 1877 PB - BY
1876 on 17
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
1876; 1877 PB - BY
Interesting - are these to be paint float whilst BYs Scanias are repainted?
6119 finally made it to AG now, on the 11 today
With platinums arriving at westbrom in the next few weeks , i asume the 4700s will go for euro 6 upgrades then be reallocated some where else , overall a decent batch of buses imo some real beasts .
6114 PN - AG
4528; 4530 AG-PB (both on the 94 today)
Quote from: 2900 on March 20, 2019, 03:11:57 AM
With platinums arriving at westbrom in the next few weeks , i asume the 4700s will go for euro 6 upgrades then be reallocated some where else , overall a decent batch of buses imo some real beasts .
Could they be split between WB/PE for the 12/13s? Or to YW for the 6?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 24, 2019, 09:20:31 PM
Could they be split between WB/PE for the 12/13s? Or to YW for the 6?
They are staying at WB so something else may move?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 24, 2019, 09:20:31 PM
Could they be split between WB/PE for the 12/13s? Or to YW for the 6?
Tony has already said nothing will change on the 6 until the electric buses arrive.
Quote from: filbus1 on March 25, 2019, 07:25:21 AM
Tony has already said nothing will change on the 6 until the electric buses arrive.
Ok, cool. I don't have time to read the entire forum.
I heard 6101-6110 will be moving to AG, can anyone confirm or deny?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 25, 2019, 06:58:28 PM
Ok, cool. I don't have time to read the entire forum.
I heard 6101-6110 will be moving to AG, can anyone confirm or deny?
No. Staying put at Pensnett.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 25, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
Amazing people know this when I haven't even worked out the cascade plan, yet alone even the first part not being issued to garages until tomorrow
April transfers now issued to garages so I expect they will start leaking out soon.
One I think hasn't been mentioned yet is 4521 AG-WB
4519; 4526 & 4678 will not now be moving to WB as people have posted and will be staying at AG for the time being.
One of the reasons I don't do advance info as some times plans cgange
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2019, 06:52:06 PM
April transfers now issued to garages so I expect they will start leaking out soon.
One I think hasn't been mentioned yet is 4521 AG-WB
4519; 4526 & 4678 will not now be moving to WB as people have posted and will be staying at AG for the time being.
One of the reasons I don't do advance info as some times plans cgange
Did that transfer over last night
@Tony?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 27, 2019, 09:17:12 PM
Did that transfer over last night @Tony?
Not sure I just noticed it in service at WB today when I was checking where everything was to do the April fleet changes
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2019, 09:19:20 PM
Not sure I just noticed it in service at WB today when I was checking where everything was to do the April fleet changes
I photographed it on the 881 this morning, which is why I was wondering if it transferred last night. Thanks anyway
@Tony.
761 PB - BC
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2019, 06:52:06 PM
April transfers now issued to garages so I expect they will start leaking out soon.
One I think hasn't been mentioned yet is 4521 AG-WB
4519; 4526 & 4678 will not now be moving to WB as people have posted and will be staying at AG for the time being.
One of the reasons I don't do advance info as some times plans cgange
Had 4519/26 & 4678 also gone to WB from AG - that might have left the latter a few buses short! (and I guess, WB with slightly too many) so it does make sense. With new buses going to West Brom fairly soon, they'll be lots of changes anyway I assume.
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 28, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
Had 4519/26 & 4678 also gone to WB from AG - that might have left the latter a few buses short! (and I guess, WB with slightly too many) so it does make sense. With new buses going to West Brom fairly soon, they'll be lots of changes anyway I assume.
No, they never transferred to WB
755; 756 WN-BC
835; 836 AG-WN
4521 now back at AG for the time being
When are the enviro 400 coming to WN garage ?
Quote from: BH2004 on April 03, 2019, 04:41:50 PM
When are the enviro 400 coming to WN garage ?
Nothing will move anywhere until any new Platinum's start to arrive, which is another 2 weeks away min.
April & May new vehicle deliveries as cascade plan will be issued to local managers tomorrow (so most of the rumours people have been posting seem to be a bit premature.
It will involve over 100 transfers & new deliveries so watch out for moves starting to happen next week.
6968 & 6969 are hopefully going to arrive this Saturday at BC for preparation for YW which will be the first
754 to pn
6968 now at YW
6969 finished and ready to be collected by YW
431; 435 Dundee to BC
1780 Dundee reserve to West Midlands reserve for possible trainer conversion
4258 to be reinstated to training fleet
4935 WB-WN
2249 YW-Dundee
2248; 2250 now off strength at YW ready to transfer to Dundee, 2248 currently in paint, 2250 ready to go to paint
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
6968 now at YW
6969 finished and ready to be collected by YW
431; 435 Dundee to BC
1780 Dundee reserve to West Midlands reserve for possible trainer conversion
4258 to be reinstated to training fleet
4935 WB-WN
2249 YW-Dundee
2248; 2250 now off strength at YW ready to transfer to Dundee, 2248 currently in paint, 2250 ready to go to paint
The streetlites for the 10S and not the 10H I presume?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
The streetlites for the 10S and not the 10H I presume?
Yes the Streetlites are for the 10S 8)
Any reason the street lites are for 10s & not 10H
Quote from: Solo1 on April 18, 2019, 04:15:06 PM
Any reason the street lites are for 10s & not 10H
The 10H route can cope with deckers. In case you haven't noticed nx haven't exactly got e200s in spare capacity.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 18, 2019, 04:15:06 PM
Any reason the street lites are for 10s & not 10H
I assume it's so 755/6 & 761 SWB E200's can transfer to another depot that already operates the type.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2019, 04:30:15 PM
The 10H route can cope with deckers. In case you haven't noticed nx haven't exactly got e200s in spare capacity.
ok thanks
2142 BC-WN
Quote from: Tony on April 18, 2019, 02:45:57 PM
6968 now at YW
6969 finished and ready to be collected by YW
431; 435 Dundee to BC
1780 Dundee reserve to West Midlands reserve for possible trainer conversion
4258 to be reinstated to training fleet
4935 WB-WN
2249 YW-Dundee
2248; 2250 now off strength at YW ready to transfer to Dundee, 2248 currently in paint, 2250 ready to go to paint
Is 4258 above a Typo for 4257? Which is being coverted to a trainer / on latest repaint list?
Quote from: Winston on April 23, 2019, 11:41:01 AM
Is 4258 above a Typo for 4257? Which is being coverted to a trainer / on latest repaint list?
4257 is at Walsall waiting conversion and repaint. 4258 will follow
Quote from: BN on April 23, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
2142 BC-WN
Beginning of the end of B7RLEs at BC? If so it's been on the cards for a while. Can't see them staying with the X21 reduced to every 20 mins.
Quote from: Mike K on April 23, 2019, 12:11:07 PM
Beginning of the end of B7RLEs at BC? If so it's been on the cards for a while. Can't see them staying with the X21 reduced to every 20 mins.
Could the X21 get the last 7 of the 69XX maybe?
Or it's just that less are required now the PVR will have dropped...
756 BC-PN
2141 BC-WN
4930; 4934 WB-WN
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
4930; 4934 WB-WN
Did 4935 go back to WB or is that now staying ?
Quote from: Winston on April 26, 2019, 12:02:27 PM
Did 4935 go back to WB or is that now staying ?
Are you thinking of 4957 which was at WN on loan in exchange for 6759?
4932 WB - WN
Quote from: Roy on April 26, 2019, 12:23:02 PM
Are you thinking of 4957 which was at WN on loan in exchange for 6759?
Yes I was thinking the loan E400, sorry!
Quote from: Winston on April 26, 2019, 12:02:27 PM
Did 4935 go back to WB or is that now staying ?
4935 is on 79 today.
4957 back from WN a while ago, on 80 today.
4366; 4367 WN - BC
734 AG - PN (733 to follow)
433 Dundee - AG
761 BC-WB
4594 WA - YW
others due to happen today
1899; 1900 WA - PB
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2019, 08:08:17 AM
4366; 4367 WN - BC
734 AG - PN (733 to follow)
433 Dundee - AG
761 BC-WB
4594 WA - YW
others due to happen today
1899; 1900 WA - PB
That leaves just 755 at BC (E200's) which I assume will be on the move soon (if not already) to either PN or WB?
Quick BC-related question tagged on here; are 19-plate NX coaches 265-66 to be allocated there? (or the pics of them there - were they just visiting).
BC 755 to PN was on 7 today
Quote from: Nx Sam on April 28, 2019, 07:40:02 PM
BC 755 to PN was on 7 today
755 currently parked in BC
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
755 currently parked in BC
Sounds like 755 is a BC bus!
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 29, 2019, 01:51:24 PM
Sounds like 755 is a BC bus!
It is.
It did go to Pensnett for a couple of days last week and did a round trip on the 19 on Saturday morning, but wasn't on the 7 yesterday as claimed as it was sat in BC all day after returning on Saturday lunchtime.
4927 WB-WN
What 49**'s are coming to WN
Quote from: BH2004 on April 30, 2019, 06:51:00 PM
What 49**'s are coming to WN
Looks to me like the ex-Sutton batch.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 30, 2019, 07:31:50 PM
Looks to me like the ex-Sutton batch.
Some of them, 14 i was told. How correct that figure is remains to be seen.
4914/6/8 are all in paint so...and purely speculation... blue??
Quote from: Nathan on April 30, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
Some of them, 14 i was told. How correct that figure is remains to be seen.
Will that be enough for the 15/16/17s?
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 30, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Will that be enough for the 15/16/17s?
As i say, the figure was mentioned on Facebook by a WN staff member so whether it was correct.. or not... not sure. The 15/16/17's vehicle requirement is higher than that though.
Quote from: Nathan on April 30, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
As i say, the figure was mentioned on Facebook by a WN staff member so whether it was correct.. or not... not sure. The 15/16/17's vehicle requirement is higher than that though.
The plan is still changing by the day due to route changes which is why I don't give advance info out, but it will be more than 14
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 08:06:05 PM
The plan is still changing by the day due to route changes which is why I don't give advance info out, but it will be more than 14
Hence why i made it clear that i didn't know if that was correct or not. I fully understand why you don't post advance changes. Thanks anyway.
Quote from: cardew on April 30, 2019, 08:02:22 PM
4914/6/8 are all in paint so...and purely speculation... blue??
Wrong again. I'll get me coat.
4921 WB-WN
Quote from: cardew on April 30, 2019, 08:02:22 PM
4914/6/8 are all in paint so...and purely speculation... blue??
4916 on the day you posted that. It is staying at WB an not going anywhere
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4916.html
Indeed. As I acknowledged once I saw the photo. I rarely speculated but I am now retiring from it due to being useless
4928 WB-WN
Quote from: BN on May 03, 2019, 01:17:25 PM
4928 WB-WN
Has nothing been withdrawn from WN as a result of these ex WB E400's ?
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
Has nothing been withdrawn from WN as a result of these ex WB E400's ?
+5 pvr
+1 engineering spare
-2 reserve fleet (4366/7) on loan to BC
Quote from: BN on May 03, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
+5 pvr
+1 engineering spare
-2 reserve fleet (4366/7) on loan to BC
What's the +5 pvr. Is that due to WN taking over the 60?
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2019, 04:24:49 PM
What's the +5 pvr. Is that due to WN taking over the 60?
Part of it, yes.
Quote from: BN on May 03, 2019, 04:26:36 PM
Part of it, yes.
Cheers, lost track a bit of late.
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
Has nothing been withdrawn from WN as a result of these ex WB E400's ?
No 4366/7 to BC, 757 to PN, 6 extra vehicles required with new route 60 and increased 10
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2019, 04:50:42 PM
No 4366/7 to BC, 757 to PN, 6 extra vehicles required with new route 60 and increased 10
Forgot about the 10 as well.
4677 WB - CV currently at Walsall for painting blue/white
4364; 4365 WN-RRR
Quote from: BN on May 08, 2019, 08:16:30 PM
4364; 4365 WN-RRR
Is that 'road ready reserve' ?!
4362; 4363 WN-RRR
4931 WB-WN
Quote from: BN on May 15, 2019, 09:16:31 PM
4362; 4363 WN-RRR
I heard they are on reserve for Yardley wood
both in service at Birmingham Central today
I'm surprised a WN 43xx is trapped. Or are they?
Quote from: Stevo on May 18, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
I'm surprised a WN 43xx is trapped. Or are they?
No they are not trapped
4663 AG-CV. Just photographed
@Tony taking it to Walsall Paintshop.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2019, 03:42:41 PM
4663 AG-CV. Just photographed @Tony taking it to Walsall Paintshop.
What's replacing them at AG?
Quote from: Winston on May 28, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
What's releasing those then?
Doesn't PN have too many deckers? For example 4306 is on the 2 today
Nothing is replacing 4663 at the moment. Its covered by the two RRR vehicles based at AG, 4295/4301
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2019, 05:09:44 PM
Nothing is replacing 4663 at the moment. Its covered by the two RRR vehicles based at AG, 4295/4301
Are those two new off the main AG fleet to RRR, not seen it mentioned/missed it.
I assume AG will get some ex PB crimson Gemini's when the route 16 platinums arrive
Quote from: Winston on May 28, 2019, 05:16:32 PM
Are those two new off the main AG fleet to RRR, not seen it mentioned/missed it.
I never mention the RRR normally unless I need to explain why buses move because some people think every move is black and white with one vehicle in and another out
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
I never mention the RRR normally unless I need to explain why buses move because some people think every move is black and white with one vehicle in and another out
Won't bother asking in future then.
4361 WN-RRR (on loan to YW)
4360 WN-RRR
4349 WN-RRR (on loan to WA)
Transfers for May so far
433 AG-BC
4179 BC-withdrawn
4349 WN-WA
4360 WN-res (still in use at WN)
4361 WN-YW
4362 WN-BC
4363 WN-BC
4364 WN-YW
4365 WN-PN-WA
4663 AG-CV
4677 WB-CV
4921 WB-WN
4928 WB-WN
4931 WB-WN
4933 WB-WN
6977; 6978; 6979; 6980; 6981; 6982; 6983; 6984 New to WB
6985; 6986; 6987; 6988 delivered in prep
4365 already in use at WA on the 10
433 is that a spare for 10s or is BC now running JLR service with 433
Quote from: PB2938 on May 29, 2019, 06:05:56 PM
4365 already in use at WA on the 10
They are all in use except 4663 in paint and 433 requiring ticket Machine fitting. Transfers normally go straight into service
If 433 is at BC what they using on the JLR service at AG
Quote from: Solo1 on May 29, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
If 433 is at BC what they using on the JLR service at AG
Nothing, that contract has now finished
Two more happened this afternoon.
4529 WB-AG
4936 WB-WN
4937 was on the 87/2 in brum just after 5pm
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2019, 07:46:56 PM
Nothing, that contract has now finished
ok thanks
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2019, 07:46:56 PM
Nothing, that contract has now finished
Not quite, there are still 2 vehicles needed until Friday, which is the last AG day of JLR work. 8xx E200s are used.
Quote from: D10 on May 29, 2019, 08:44:01 PM
Not quite, there are still 2 vehicles needed until Friday, which is the last AG day of JLR work. 8xx E200s are used.
I was just referring to the internal service contract 433 was used on, wasn't it extended by a month out of the blue.
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2019, 08:57:47 PM
I was just referring to the internal service contract 433 was used on, wasn't it extended by a month out of the blue.
I think there have been various extensions TBH!
Certainly the Solihull Internal Shuttle has now gone from AG, it's gone to CV as far as I am aware. It's the Gaydon Internal shuttle that is still at AG until the end of the week.
Quote from: D10 on May 29, 2019, 09:19:49 PM
I think there have been various extensions TBH!
Certainly the Solihull Internal Shuttle has now gone from AG, it's gone to CV as far as I am aware. It's the Gaydon Internal shuttle that is still at AG until the end of the week.
Is another operator taking over those internal shuttles or JLR no longer require them due to job losses / cutting back etc ?
Quote from: D10 on May 29, 2019, 08:44:01 PM
Not quite, there are still 2 vehicles needed until Friday, which is the last AG day of JLR work. 8xx E200s are used.
Would that mean the AG 800's would be finished with?
Quote from: BN on May 29, 2019, 09:35:06 PM
Would that mean the AG 800's would be finished with?
AG 8XX are used on the 99 (Castle Bromwich to Shirley) and A12 (Acocks Green to Solihull)
@BN.
A12 requires 1 bus and the 99 requires 2.
Quote from: 2206 on May 29, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
AG 8XX are used on the 99 (Castle Bromwich to Shirley) and A12 (Acocks Green to Solihull) @BN.
A12 requires 1 bus and 99 requires 2.
Ah, thanks for that, thought they were all on JLR.
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
Is another operator taking over those internal shuttles or JLR no longer require them due to job losses / cutting back etc ?
Good question. Certainly from what I have seen at work the J8 (Solihull) is still running with NX, but I can't help with the J10 (Gaydon), not sure what is going to be happening to that one.
Quote from: 2206 on May 29, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
AG 8XX are used on the 99 (Castle Bromwich to Shirley) and A12 (Acocks Green to Solihull) @BN.
A12 requires 1 bus and the 99 requires 2.
I've been told the A12 passes to another operator from June (i heard Kev's, i'm sure if that is the case, we'll hear soon on here)
Quote from: Winston on May 29, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
Is another operator taking over those internal shuttles or JLR no longer require them due to job losses / cutting back etc ?
It was due to finish last month, hence why I moved 733 and 734 out, then there was a last minute extension for May, So a mad dash up to Dundee to fetch 433 followed and the reason it didn't get a ticket machine. It's now at B.C. for a ticket machine then will likely go to Walsall for a crimson makeover before entering service at BC
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 28, 2019, 04:42:23 PM
Doesn't PN have too many deckers? For example 4306 is on the 2 today
No PN doesn't have too many deckers, the e200s are need more for the tendered routes so any spare decker will go on the 2s to cover for the e200s
Look out for some surprising transfers tomorrow.
Quote from: BN on May 30, 2019, 08:31:42 PM
Look out for some surprising transfers tomorrow.
Some WN platinums to PN ?
Depending on how many PN need, I'm going to guess 6791 to 6795 may move from WN ? :-\
Looking forward to seeing the new style X8 branding start to appear next week following on from the service change w/c 2nd June. ;)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 30, 2019, 08:35:20 PM
Some WN platinums to PN ?
I wouldn't define that as surprising (some MMC's moving out of WN i mean)
Quote from: Nathan on May 30, 2019, 08:54:33 PM
I wouldn't define that as surprising.
Just have this feeling that PN will get a few of WN platinums and a few of the 19 plate batch to make 126 platinum again
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 30, 2019, 09:05:42 PM
Just have this feeling that PN will get a few of WN platinums and a few of the 19 plate batch to make 126 platinum again
Or to ensure the 9 & X10 are platinum?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 30, 2019, 08:35:20 PM
Some WN platinums to PN ?
Yes. 6759/60/61 (at least).
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Yes. 6759/60/61 (at least).
Just those 3 at the moment
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2019, 11:06:08 AM
Just those 3 at the moment
Have they already moved?
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2019, 11:20:09 AM
Have they already moved?
Doesn't sound like they've moved yet, they were parked at WN this morning with their ticket machines removed.
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
Doesn't sound like they've moved yet, they were parked at WN this morning with their ticket machines removed.
6759; 6760; 6761 WN-PN
Now moved
I've just taken 4672 to Walsall for transfer to Coventry
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
Doesn't sound like they've moved yet, they were parked at WN this morning with their ticket machines removed.
This is something I've wondered about for a while as I've heard it mentioned a few times, how come WM buses have their ticket machines removed if they're just moving from one WM garage to another WM garage? surely it's easier to reprogram them when they arrive?
6760 just passed me on Dudley high st
I was wondering if the Streetdecks (3301-3305) are likely to end up at AG, possibly along with 6101-6110 ultimately? AG seems to be losing 15 or so Geminis.
As CV seem to have a total of around 38 vehicles to replace ultimately and WN around 45, presumably plenty more transfers to come.
Quote from: don on May 31, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
I was wondering if the Streetdecks (3301-3305) are likely to end up at AG, possibly along with 6101-6110 ultimately? AG seems to be losing 15 or so Geminis.
As CV seem to have a total of around 38 vehicles to replace ultimately and WN around 45, presumably plenty more transfers to come.
I can't see the Streetdecks moving, type training the AG engineers and drivers just for 5 vehicles would seem a lot of work. They could end up on the 6 though. It looks like AG will gain a few older Geminis as 4529 has recently moved back there.
Quote from: filbus1 on May 31, 2019, 05:07:18 PM
I can't see the Streetdecks moving, type training the AG engineers and drivers just for 5 vehicles would seem a lot of work. They could end up on the 6 though. It looks like AG will gain a few older Geminis as 4529 has recently moved back there.
might go transfer back then 6101-6110 move over and wonder if the will receive 11 branding
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 31, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
might go transfer back then 6101-6110 move over and wonder if the will receive 11 branding
Nothing is leaving PN. The fleet is just being enlarged for the time being
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
Nothing is leaving PN. The fleet is just being enlarged for the time being
oh ok
4360 WN-RRR (on loan at YW)
4922 WB-WN
Is WN getting the whole of WB 63 plate E400?
4929 WB-WN
4358 WN-RRR
156 & 161 Coventry - Gatwick
reserve 4362 is currently being used in Coventry
Are 265 & 266 still unallocated?
Take it 261 at NXC is just a loan.
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
Are 265 & 266 still unallocated?
Take it 261 at NXC is just a loan.
Coventry are having the 68 plates
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2019, 09:45:16 PM
Coventry are having the 68 plates
Is there still 20 new Levante's due for JLR in total, or have plans changed?
Quote from: BN on June 11, 2019, 06:52:25 PM
4929 WB-WN
4358 WN-RRR
Out on the 59 this afternoon (Tuesday 11th)
4358 is operating out of WN still, presumably as a RRR vehicle as stated above. It's on the 59 this morning (Wednesday 12th)
Two vehicle parked up at WB ready for transfer are 805 and 806, both going to Walsall ready for the takeover of the 19 service
RRR 4365 is now operating from YW (on the 18 today).
4528 and 4530 have now returned to Acocks Green from Perry Barr i suspect 4531-4534 will follow
4688, 4689 PB-AG.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 28, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
4688, 4689 PB-AG.
And 4533.
4666 and one other (when I get to AG) to CV
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
And 4533.
4666 and one other (when I get to AG) to CV
Just seen you taking 4674 to the paintshop, so that'll be the next one to transfer from AG-CV.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 28, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
4688, 4689 PB-AG.
4531 aswell as I seen it out on the 11A this morning.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 28, 2019, 01:45:26 PM
4688, 4689 PB-AG.
AG are getting Voith Gemini's now? I'm confused
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 29, 2019, 11:35:01 AM
AG are getting Voith Gemini's now? I'm confused
Theses Gemini's are refurb'd to Crimson, the outgoing Gemini's are NX red/white with grey dot seat moquette.
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2019, 11:58:23 AM
Theses Gemini's are refurb'd to Crimson, the outgoing Gemini's are NX red/white with grey dot seat moquette.
Makes sense from that POV
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 29, 2019, 04:06:31 PM
Makes sense from that POV, just thought it might be easier to transfer the Voith Gemini's back to CV
why easier? you have to spend a couple of thousand pounds painting a bus and why would a voith gearbox be better at Coventry than AG?
AG operate plenty of buses with Voith gearboxees
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
why easier? you have to spend a couple of thousand pounds painting a bus and why would a voith gearbox be better at Coventry than AG?
AG operate plenty of buses with Voith gearboxees
Because they have already operated them?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 29, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
Because they have already operated them?
No point repainting NXWM Crimson buses in to the NXC version.
May as well paint the 54 plate Gemini's formerly off the 11 instead that haven't been repainted for a while.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 29, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
Because they have already operated them?
Every garage has operated Voith gearboxes
Are 4687-4696 taller than the previous ones just like 4700-4717?
Not that it's relevant now as all Gemini's are banned off the 5, just wondering.
Quote from: MW on June 29, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Are 4687-4696 taller than the previous ones just like 4700-4717?
Not that it's relevant now as all Gemini's are banned off the 5, just wondering.
The 5 has had 45XX Gemini allocated all week?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 30, 2019, 08:18:42 AM
The 5 has had 45XX Gemini allocated all week?
The AG 5 he is referring too
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 30, 2019, 09:19:07 AM
Noo the wb one
No!
MW was referring to the AG one about Geminis being banned, which they are
Didn't someone say somewhere that the CV Geminis were higher than the others and couldn't be allocated to AG?
Seen as AG are getting some of PB Gemini's could this finally mean 4519 and 4521 can go to WB?
Quote from: Stevo on June 30, 2019, 09:24:17 PM
Didn't someone say somewhere that the CV Geminis were higher than the others and couldn't be allocated to AG?
See I wasn't 100% on this, but if you recollect it, then it's probably true. However, that was when the 5 was Gemini operated. Now, they're all together banned from the route, which was why AG gained the trapped ALX400s, and later Solihull became Euro 4. So there's no problem with having different height Gemini's at AG now, presumably.
Ridiculous that the 5 can't be Gemini operated though. They clear the bridge at Highfield Road, but the bridge was remeasured. The Plaxtons were the ones that actually got damaged from that bridge if I recall correctly.
Quote from: Stevo on June 30, 2019, 09:24:17 PM
Didn't someone say somewhere that the CV Geminis were higher than the others and couldn't be allocated to AG?
No. Only 4700 to 4717 are taller
4687 4691 PB - AG
Seen Lee Grantham's photos of both in AG Garage
4532 has officially transferred as well, but is currently receiving some bodywork attention
4693/6 (I think they were) down for transfer today to Acocks Green, as they were both on PB peak boards this morning with transfer marked next to them
both 4695/4696 are now at Acocks Green according to a post by lee grantham both were in depot last night
4692 & 4694 now at AG leaving just 4693 of that batch at PB
4661 & 4664 now transferred to Coventry although 4661 is currently at YW being tidied up for repaint and 4664 is still at AG waiting to go for tidying up
At least 2 x NXWM JLR coaches now appear to be on hire to Parks of Hamilton, Plymouth Depot:
152 (ex BC)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transporttim/48333585717
157 (ex CV)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71092681@N07/48274798722
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2019, 12:05:35 AM
At least 2 x NXWM JLR coaches now appear to be on hire to Parks of Hamilton, Plymouth Depot:
152 (ex BC)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/transporttim/48333585717
157 (ex CV)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/71092681@N07/48274798722
Looked like a coach '125' was at Coventry garage today (Sunday - not actually in use, amongst the 2xx coaches). Didn't know there was No. 125.
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 28, 2019, 08:05:52 PM
Looked like a coach '125' was at Coventry garage today (Sunday - not actually is use, amongst the 2xx coaches). Didn't know there was No. 125.
There was a 125 originally, but it's recorded as returning off lease in Febs NXWM fleet changes
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
There was a 125 originally, but it's recorded as returning off lease in Febs NXWM fleet changes
And was reported at Holmeswood Coaches in 3/19 in the PSV Circle, but appears to have returned
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
There was a 125 originally, but it's recorded as returning off lease in Febs NXWM fleet changes
May as well mention this while on the subject of NX coaches etc; but the JLR contract at Coventry seems mostly to be covered by all/some of 257-266. Are these officially 'on loan' from BC garage? The other 1xx coaches seem to have left (125 aside obviously) - although I've lost track of 119, that could still be around!
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 29, 2019, 02:31:05 PM
May as well mention this while on the subject of NX coaches etc; but the JLR contract at Coventry seems mostly to be covered by all/some of 257-266. Are these officially 'on loan' from BC garage? The other 1xx coaches seem to have left (125 aside obviously) - although I've lost track of 119, that could still be around!
I think Tony has previously said somewhere, that CV would be having the 68 plates & BC the 19 plates. But 267/8 have since gained full NX coach decals & are at WA.
Looks as though the 20 new coaches for the JLR contract fleet have changed.
Quote from: Winston on July 29, 2019, 03:02:53 PM
I think Tony has previously said somewhere, that CV would be having the 68 plates & BC the 19 plates. But 267/8 have since gained full NX coach decals & are at WA.
Looks as though the 20 new coaches for the JLR contract fleet have changed.
The JLR fleet is now being run as one, with maintenance looked after by BC, so the fleet at Coventry does change each weekend
Quote from: Winston on July 29, 2019, 03:02:53 PM
I think Tony has previously said somewhere, that CV would be having the 68 plates & BC the 19 plates. But 267/8 have since gained full NX coach decals & are at WA.
Looks as though the 20 new coaches for the JLR contract fleet have changed.
137, 162, 167 are still here but all leaving this week too.
8354; 8355; 8356 Kings Ferry - BC (although currently at WB for inspection before going into use at BC Thursday)
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2019, 08:06:25 PM
8354; 8355; 8356 Kings Ferry - BC (although currently at WB for inspection before going into use at BC Thursday)
Will they be used only on the contract service currently run by ATG, like the other 4? Or in normal service as well?
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Will they be used only on the contract service currently run by ATG, like the other 4? Or in normal service as well?
restricted to contract work.
They are fitted with seatbelts, but no ticketing equipment
4320 WN-Reserve
837 going back home tomorrow as well
4356 WN-Reserve
4350 at WA on 29/70A today might be a loan or transfer
2138 is at WN (from BC).
4923 WB-WN
2138 BC-WN
4534 PB-AG
4855 PB-WA
Good to see WA getting a few more Deckers or are 4346-4349 on borrowed time.
4855 out on 51's this evening on an afternoon/late night peak board.
4854 PB-WA. Just seen it leaving Perry Barr Garage with an engineer at the wheel.
@Tony had confirmed in a Facebook post about 4854's transfer.
4506/7 PB - WB guessing these will see off the rest of the untrapped 42xx at WB.
Quote from: WB Driver on August 13, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
4506/7 PB - WB guessing these will see off the rest of the untrapped 42xx at WB.
Without looking through them all, has anyone got a list of the untrapped ones,
@paulb1973 maybe ?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 13, 2019, 07:23:46 PM
Without looking through them all, has anyone got a list of the untrapped ones, @paulb1973 maybe ?
4276 - 91, 4270 - 5 and 4237 - 4245 are the ones that were trapped.
If the main site is up to date and none of these have been withdrawn:
4228, 4230, 4253, 4254, 4259, 4262, 4264, 4266 at WB
4295 and 4301 at AG.
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2019, 07:54:59 PM
4276 - 91, 4270 - 5 and 4237 - 4245 are the ones that were trapped.
If the main site is up to date and none of these have been withdrawn:
4228, 4230, 4253, 4254, 4259, 4262, 4264, 4266 at WB
4295 and 4301 at AG.
The main site will be up to date until end of July, the latest transfers in to WB are August ones.
Quote from: WB Driver on August 13, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
4506/7 PB - WB guessing these will see off the rest of the untrapped 42xx at WB.
No.
Using Tony's updates/Facebook etc - at West Brom I have these:
18 E200 (758/61; 807-22)
23 Scania (1911-12/18/33-34/36-53)
21 B7/ALX (4228/30/37/39-41/43-45/53-54/59/62/64/66/70-75)
19 Gemini (4506-18/22-25/27; 4679)
67 E400 (4738-62; 4914-20/24/37; 4950-82)
24 E400MMC (6970-93)
Total 172
(4237/39-41/43-45/70-75 B7TL/ALX400 are fitted with traps)
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 13, 2019, 08:15:12 PM
Using Tony's updates/Facebook etc - at West Brom I have these:
18 E200 (758/61; 807-22)
23 Scania (1911-12/18/33-34/36-53)
21 B7/ALX (4228/30/37/39-41/43-45/53-54/59/62/64/66/70-75)
19 Gemini (4506-18/22-25/27; 4679)
67 E400 (4738-62; 4914-20/24/37; 4950-82)
24 E400MMC (6970-93)
Total 172
(4237/39-41/43-45/70-75 B7TL/ALX400 are fitted with traps)
I make WB = 174 (4922 & 4929 are currently still at WB)
I assume it's more 49** E400's to WN that will be released by the ex PB Gemini's
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
I make WB = 174 (4922 & 4929 are currently still at WB)
I assume it's more 49** E400's to WN that will be released by the ex PB Gemini's
4922 & 4929 both at WN
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2019, 08:36:59 PM
4922 & 4929 both at WN
Are they August moves?
I originally had them at WN (can't remember where I saw them moving to WB-WN), but then put them back at WB, as they're not at WN on the main site fleetlist or transfer lists.
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2019, 08:42:11 PM
Are they August moves?
I originally had them at WN (can't remember where I saw them moving to WB-WN), but then put them back at WB, as they're not at WN on the main site fleetlist or transfer lists.
They put them both at WN for in June time
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 13, 2019, 08:15:12 PM
Using Tony's updates/Facebook etc - at West Brom I have these:
(4237/39-41/43-45/70-75 B7TL/ALX400 are fitted with traps)
Thanks
@paulb1973 :)
Quote from: BH2004 on August 13, 2019, 08:48:54 PM
They put them both at WN for in June time
There were two batches that went across in April & May, but neither of those are on those transfer lists or any subsequent monthly moves.
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2019, 08:42:11 PM
Are they August moves?
I originally had them at WN (can't remember where I saw them moving to WB-WN), but then put them back at WB, as they're not at WN on the main site fleetlist or transfer lists.
Check replies #4477 & #4481 on this thread, two posts from BN on page 299.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 13, 2019, 09:51:07 PM
Check replies #4477 & #4481 on this thread, two posts from BN on page 299.
Ta - They need adding to June NXWM transfers on main site & fleetlist amending then.
4854 is out at Walsall for the first time today, and is on 29's/70A's today. It left Walsall at 09:20 on a 70A Beechdale Circular.
4519 and 4521 now at WB, swapped with 4527 now at AG. That's Gemini allocations tidied up!
Sorry I've not been keeping track of recent transfers so I may be wrong but am I right in saying 4534 hasn't transferred back to AG from PB?
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2019, 09:32:36 PM
Sorry I've not been keeping track of recent transfers so I may be wrong but am I right in saying 4534 hasn't transferred back to AG from PB?
No. It was on the 11 last Wednesday.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2019, 09:32:36 PM
Sorry I've not been keeping track of recent transfers so I may be wrong but am I right in saying 4534 hasn't transferred back to AG from PB?
All of 4527-34 are at AG
755 BC-WB
7518 7519 7520 have been delivered to Yardley Wood
4576 YW - BC first of many i suppose
Quote from: cris 99 on August 22, 2019, 07:53:18 PM
4576 YW - BC first of many i suppose
4574 & 4576 have both gone to BC
4347 4349 Withdrawn at WA
4920 WB-WN
4360; 4365 Reserve-WN
Quote from: BN on August 27, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
4360; 4365 Reserve-WN
I've got these two as road-ready reserve at YW, do they still count as that even if they are now Wolverhampton-based. Others are 4358/62 at CV and 4295/4301 at AG.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 27, 2019, 07:16:19 PM
I've got these two as road-ready reserve at YW, do they still count as that even if they are now Wolverhampton-based. Others are 4358/62 at CV and 4295/4301 at AG.
They are now back on WN fleet. 4358 will join tomorrow but I believe 4362 has died.
Quote from: BN on August 27, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
They are now back on WN fleet. 4358 will join tomorrow but I believe 4362 has died.
Coventry told me 4362 was the better on the 2 last month!
4358 Reserve-WN
4937 WB-WN
2139; 2140 BC-WN
Have seen mentioned elsewhere that 1909/10 have moved from YW - WB
Looks like 2234 has been moved to West Brom
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 02, 2019, 01:40:58 PM
Looks like 2234 has been moved to West Brom
It's currently on WB40.
Other recent transfers, 2139 is/was on the 529 & 4937 is on the 1 today.
834 AG-WN
4572 is now at BC and on the 14 today
Quote from: 2206 on September 06, 2019, 04:35:17 PM
4572 is now at BC and on the 14 today
It's been there a week.
833 AG-WN
2237 and 1932 are now at WB
YW 4577 to BC
2230 YW - AG
Seen Lee Grantham's Picture of 2230 in AG Garage on Facebook earlier
4441 PN to BC
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
4441 PN to BC
Is 4362 a transfer to PN
@Tony. Saw it parked up in the yard this morning, no ticket equipment though
Quote from: Dom on September 28, 2019, 11:46:28 PM
Is 4362 a transfer to PN @Tony. Saw it parked up in the yard this morning, no ticket equipment though
withdrawn
4347 Reinstated at Walsall just seen in Walsall bus station on W7 40 minis past each hour.
1935 YW - WB
4919 WB-WN
5412 Reserve-WN
2238 YW - WB
729; 730 reserve-WN
4349 reserve-WN
Quote from: BN on October 10, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
729; 730 reserve-WN
4349 reserve-WN
Are expecting some new work? WN's allocation seems to have jumped to 212, highest for a good while.
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2019, 09:20:11 PM
Are expecting some new work? WN's allocation seems to have jumped to 212, highest for a good while.
@Winston I imagine some of it in part could be to cover the amount of vehicles away at Graysons currently. Just a thought?
759; 760 PN-WB
821; 822 WB-PN
(ready for transfer of 10S to WB)
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
759; 760 PN-WB
821; 822 WB-PN
(ready for transfer of 10S to WB)
821's out on the 19; just left the QE
4306 PN=YW (it has now arrived)
won't be there long!
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2019, 05:07:05 PM
4306 PN=YW (it has now arrived)
won't be there long!
they can keep that one we don't want it back
4339 WN-reserve.
4316 WN-reserve
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
759; 760 PN-WB
821; 822 WB-PN
(ready for transfer of 10S to WB)
Are WB to receive any more of the short enviro 200s as we only have a total of 5 and need 6 for the 54/10 running boards??
Im guessing BC will loose all remaing 21xx to Walsall for service 45 just a guess mind. Or WA recieve some WB Scania or E200s.
I'm hearing Perry Barr is loosing it's E200 in exchange for the Streetlite
Quote from: Zander on October 24, 2019, 10:00:48 PM
Are WB to receive any more of the short enviro 200s as we only have a total of 5 and need 6 for the 54/10 running boards??
762-764 from PB with the Streetlites at BC moving to PB in there place. 431/5 are due to head for paint with one of the ex Igo buses being used as cover.
435 now at PB
1909 & 1910 currently on the way to WA
1911 & 1912 will follow
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
1909 & 1910 currently on the way to WA
1911 & 1912 will follow
Will all the e200 Mmcs at Yw go to West Brom
762 PB-WB. Just passed through West Bromwich on the way to the garage.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 27, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Will all the e200 Mmcs at Yw go to West Brom
That would leave just 11 Scanias at YW, i'm not sure what the PVR for the 27 is but probably more than that,
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2019, 10:14:58 PM
No
Will the B7RLE be leaving BC?
With the 10H cut back to just the 1 bus 9.30 - 3. Is there any requirement for the single deckers at BC anymore, where would the other 3 be used?
4441; 4442 BC-PN
831 AG-CV currently at WA for refurb
5428 DU to WN today
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2019, 01:42:23 PM
5428 DU to WN today
Seen 5428 parked at Walsall Garage this morning. :)
Now the engineering Managers at the respective garages know the plan I can post it here.
9 Hybrids Dundee-Wolverhampton
9 49xx Wolverhampton - Yardley Wood
9 E200MMCs YW-Dundee.
This cures the problem of Single decks at YW turning up on inappropriate journies on the 2, 3 & 18
Are WB getting anymore of the E200MMC as we only have three 2234/37/38.
Quote from: WB Driver on November 19, 2019, 08:25:04 PM
Are WB getting anymore of the E200MMC as we only have three 2234/37/38.
2239-2247 to Dundee and 2232/3/5/6 to WB perhaps?
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2019, 07:22:07 PM
Now the engineering Managers at the respective garages know the plan I can post it here.
9 Hybrids Dundee-Wolverhampton
9 49xx Wolverhampton - Yardley Wood
9 E200MMCs YW-Dundee.
This cures the problem of Single decks at YW turning up on inappropriate journies on the 2, 3 & 18
Interesting reallocations.
I thought DU was getting 9 new Emerald E400 MMCs to replace the Hybrids - if they're having those as well, it looks like they'll be getting a larger fleet (unless they'll replace other vehicles)? Plus 18 more repaints required (I guess the E200MMCs would be due in a year or so anyway and some of the hybrids are due anyway).
Quote from: don on November 19, 2019, 11:33:00 PM
Interesting reallocations.
I thought DU was getting 9 new Emerald E400 MMCs to replace the Hybrids - if they're having those as well, it looks like they'll be getting a larger fleet (unless they'll replace other vehicles)? Plus 18 more repaints required (I guess the E200MMCs would be due in a year or so anyway and some of the hybrids are due anyway).
Dundee are having the 9 new Emerald's + the 9 x E200MMC's from NXWM to increase the number of Euro 6 within their fleet, thus replacing older vehicles.
Surely a straight swap from Dundee to Yardley Wood would have required less repaints and been more cost effective?
Quote from: nathanielrwi on November 19, 2019, 11:45:26 PM
Surely a straight swap from Dundee to Yardley Wood would have required less repaints and been more cost effective?
Yardley Wood aren't typed trained on E400H and NX likes to try and keep batches together so now all E400H will be based at WN
Quote from: nathanielrwi on November 19, 2019, 11:45:26 PM
Surely a straight swap from Dundee to Yardley Wood would have required less repaints and been more cost effective?
How would it have required less repaints?
Has an engineer at Yardley Wood any clue on how to change an electric traction motor? - No
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2019, 06:19:20 AM
How would it have required less repaints?
Has an engineer at Yardley Wood any clue on how to change an electric traction motor? - No
Do you know what service/s will use the Hybrids? It wouldn't be the 1 because it already has some and the only other routes that I can think of are the 11,59 and the 79 and maybe even the 32/33.
But I'm pretty sure that the 59 still has branded Tridents.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 20, 2019, 06:55:22 AM
Do you know what service/s will use the Hybrids? It wouldn't be the 1 because it already has some and the only other routes that I can think of are the 11,59 and the 79 and maybe even the 32/33.
But I'm pretty sure that the 59 still has branded Tridents.
Well as 9 49xx are leaving I would imagine WN will use them the same as the 49xx!
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 20, 2019, 06:55:22 AM
Do you know what service/s will use the Hybrids? It wouldn't be the 1 because it already has some and the only other routes that I can think of are the 11,59 and the 79 and maybe even the 32/33.
But I'm pretty sure that the 59 still has branded Tridents.
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And they do a perfectly good job. I can't see those being debranded and leaving the 59 anytime soon. 9 E400's are leaving so i'd imagine they'll make up the numbers on the 15, 16 & 17.
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2019, 06:19:20 AM
How would it have required less repaints?
9 REb buses painted green for Dundee
9 Green buses painted red for the West Midlands either way.
Has an engineer at Yardley Wood any clue on how to change an electric traction motor? - No
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2019, 08:04:04 AM
Well as 9 49xx are leaving I would imagine WN will use them the same as the 49xx!
Pretty much spot on, the Hybrids will stay on the 1, majority of 5410-5430 as they have the same RTI equipment. Probably cascade the conversions and lower numbers to run with the 4900s.
832 has now left AG taking AG back to 3 basic vehicle types.
It was due to go to paint for transfer to Coventry, but due to a shortage of contract buses is stopping off at BC for a few days
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2019, 07:49:08 PM
832 has now left AG taking AG back to 3 basic vehicle types.
It was due to go to paint for transfer to Coventry, but due to a shortage of contract buses is stopping off at BC for a few days
Wow. Lucky I caught it before I never see it again.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 20, 2019, 08:22:20 PM
Wow. Lucky I caught it before I never see it again.
Is Coventry out of your range then?
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2019, 08:48:29 PM
Is Coventry out of your range then?
No, I just don't go there often.
832 AG-CV (currently at WA for refurb)
2235; 2236 YW-WB
4360 WN-PN
4259; 4264 WB - withdrawn
4375 CV - withdrawn
4365 WN-withdrawn
4524 & 4525 back at WB
2232 YW-WB (currently at WA, not for service there)
The first two E400s 49xx are due to move to YW from Tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2019, 07:05:47 PM
The first two E400s 49xx are due to move to YW from Tomorrow
what 49** are moving
Quote from: BH2004 on December 16, 2019, 07:10:44 PM
what 49** are moving
Not sure until they move tomorrow, that's why I have put 49xx
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
Not sure until they move tomorrow, that's why I have put 49xx
What route are they intended for?
Quote from: 2206 on December 16, 2019, 08:05:44 PM
What route are they intended for?
@2206 Think they are transfering to Dundee and the Dundee hybrids are transfering to the West Midlands??
Quote from: 2206 on December 16, 2019, 08:05:44 PM
What route are they intended for?
I would imagine any double-deck route that is currently struggling with having to use single-deck vehicles. ;D
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 16, 2019, 08:18:16 PM
@2206 Think they are transfering to Dundee and the Dundee hybrids are transfering to the West Midlands??
Its been said the 49XX are going to Yardley Wood.
I was wandering which route and which of the 49, 2/3, 18 and 76 they will be used on.
Quote from: 2206 on December 16, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
@Tony said they are going to Yardley Wood.
I was wandering which route and which of the 49, 2/3, 18 and 76 they will be used on.
sorry
@2206 , misunderstood, I know some buses are going to Dundee, assumed it was those!
Quote from: 2206 on December 16, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
Its been said the 49XX are going to Yardley Wood.
I was wandering which route and which of the 49, 2/3, 18 and 76 they will be used on.
As they are unbranded, i'd imagine all of them, and then some.
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2019, 07:17:43 PM
Not sure until they move tomorrow, that's why I have put 49xx
49xx moving from where? WN or BC?
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2019, 08:53:22 PM
49xx moving from where? WN or BC?
WN
Part of the 3 way swap I put on here a couple of weeks back (5422-30 DU-WN; 4919-27 WN-YW; 2239-47 YW-DU)
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2019, 08:55:29 PM
WN
Part of the 3 way swap I put on here a couple of weeks back (5422-30 DU-WN; 4919-27 WN-YW; 2239-47 YW-DU)
Ta, must have missed that post.
Not that it'll work out that way I'm sure, but the current daytime vehicle requirement on the 2/3 is 9, with an additional vehicle in each peak.
Regarding the above post from Tony (2239-2247 YW-DU) is there a date for these to be transferred or not any info as always will be greatly appreciated thank you
Quote from: mark114 on December 16, 2019, 10:35:11 PM
Regarding the above post from Tony (2239-2247 YW-DU) is there a date for these to be transferred or not any info as always will be greatly appreciated thank you
The bulk of the 3 way swap can't occur until Dundee receives some of the new Emerald's (6678-86), thus releasing E400H to Wolverhampton and so on.....
Thank you so much Winston for that info as always it's greatly appreciated
4924; 4925 WN-YW
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 18, 2019, 03:55:45 PM
Has 5428 entered service
No, just waiting for the radio to be fitted
Quote from: BN on December 18, 2019, 12:10:27 PM
4924; 4925 WN-YW
4925 is on the 6 (Solihull) this evening :)
2247 YW-DU
at Walsall for a coat of green paint
withdrawn 4365 has had a replacement gearbox fitted, and sent as a reserve fleet vehicle to Walsall who have pushed it straight out into service. Just gone from garage to the Bus Station
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
withdrawn 4365 has had a replacement gearbox fitted, and sent as a reserve fleet vehicle to Walsall who have pushed it straight out into service. Just gone from garage to the Bus Station
Returning to WA for the 3rd time.
I was wondering how long BC plan to keep 2134-2137 only 4 a small amount. Is there any plans for them to move soon.
Quote from: PB2938 on December 20, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
I was wondering how long BC plan to keep 2134-2137 only 4 a small amount. Is there any plans for them to move soon.
Where are they used now? As I never see them anymore, they certainly don't seem to go on the X20/X21/X22 anymore and the 10H always seems to be a platinum as well.
2136 is off the road long term, but what about the other 3?
Last one I saw was 2134 and that was operating the 97 on the 10th December.
2136 is long term off the road. The other three are booked one on the 97, one on the 63 and one spare
When buses are transferred to & from Scotland, I know the vehicle is repainted externally & the seat covers are changed, but what about internal panels?
For example, when B7LRE's were transferred from Walsall to Dundee a few years back, they were a blue interior.
I'm assuming those were not changed, so said vehicles are running in Dundee in a 'mix' interior.
In fact, are new NX vehicles the same colour interior(except the seats!), irrespective of whether they're kept in England or Scotland?
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2019, 11:59:55 AM
When buses are transferred to & from Scotland, I know the vehicle is repainted externally & the seat covers are changed, but what about internal panels?
For example, when B7LRE's were transferred from Walsall to Dundee a few years back, they were a blue interior.
I'm assuming those were not changed, so said vehicles are running in Dundee in a 'mix' interior.
In fact, are new NX vehicles the same colour interior(except the seats!), irrespective of whether they're kept in England or Scotland?
The seats are the same colour. The interior of Dundee 17xx is identical to the interior of WA ones. Same as the newer B7RLEs and Geminis
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
2136 is long term off the road. The other three are booked one on the 97, one on the 63 and one spare
Thanks Tony.
4367 BC-WA
Quote from: Tony on December 28, 2019, 07:20:52 AM
4367 BC-WA
Good to see more Deckers at WA is this instead of 4306..
Is this bus trapped having come from BC ?
Quote from: PB2938 on December 28, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
Good to see more Deckers at WA is this instead of 4306..
Is this bus trapped having come from BC ?
No, 4367 isn't trapped
Quote from: PB2938 on December 28, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
Good to see more Deckers at WA is this instead of 4306..
Is this bus trapped having come from BC ?
Just photographed 4306 leaving Miller Street for Walsall. So I think it's as well as
@PB2938.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 30, 2019, 01:41:14 PM
Just photographed 4306 leaving Miller Street for Walsall. So I think it's as well as @PB2938.
Yes, extras, Walsall has a PVR increase later in January, they will also have vehicles at Graysons for Euro 6 in January so the 43xx are cover for those
4757 - WB >PN
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 03, 2020, 11:48:03 AM
4757 - WB >PN
Brings back the old days seeing the Enviro 400's at Pensnett!
6101-6110 are moving to YW hence the trident viros getting transferred from WB
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 03, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
6101-6110 are moving to YW hence the trident viros getting transferred from WB
No they are not
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 03, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
6101-6110 are moving to YW hence the trident viros getting transferred from WB
Considering it's been said many times that transfer news isn't given out before it happens... sounds like someone is pulling your leg or this statement is made up.
Quote from: Nathan on January 03, 2020, 05:26:11 PM
Considering it's been said many times that transfer news isn't given out before it happens... sounds like someone is pulling your leg or this statement is made up.
I thought it might be a 3way swap involving AG/WB & PN buts that's just a guess?
Quote from: busboy31 on January 03, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
Brings back the old days seeing the Enviro 400's at Pensnett!
I would prefer the 4800's back
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 03, 2020, 07:43:18 PM
I would prefer the 4800's back
The 4800s are nice to drive
4754 WB to PN
4761 WB-PN
4345 WN-WA (currently on loan to PN)
2239 YW - Dundee (at Walsall for paint)
4349 WN-WA
6761 PN-WN
4921 WN-YW
4324 4334 at WA
5426 left Dundee on the 14th, guessing it's now at WA for paint before going to WN.
PN 6102 6101 to AG and PN 6760 to WN
Quote from: Nx Sam on January 21, 2020, 11:55:46 AM
PN 6102 6101 to AG and PN 6760 to WN
All still at PN
Makes you wonder where this false information comes from
Quote from: cris 99 on January 21, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
Makes you wonder where this false information comes from
Unless they have transferred 'on paper', but haven't actually physically transferred yet.
Quote from: Gareth on January 21, 2020, 05:04:09 PM
Unless they have transferred 'on paper', but haven't actually physically transferred yet.
6760 & 2091 have now gone to WN, swapped with 835 & 836, but no 61xx have moved
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
6760 & 2091 have now gone to WN, swapped with 835 & 836, but no 61xx have moved
835 already out on the 126. Don't know whether 836 is out too.
Ok I won't say anything in future the transfers
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
6760 & 2091 have now gone to WN, swapped with 835 & 836, but no 61xx have moved
Are deckers going to be used on the new 17/A/E or is it going to be E200 on the 17 whilst A/E will be b7/decker operated?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 21, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
Are deckers going to be used on the new 17/A/E or is it going to be E200 on the 17 whilst A/E will be b7/decker operated?
Looking at the timetables, it would appear that the 17/17A/17E and 57 will all interwork, which suggests predominantly E200s.
Quote from: Roy on January 21, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Looking at the timetables, it would appear that the 17/17A/17E and 57 will all interwork, which suggests predominantly E200s.
I just know I have been asked to provide PN with 3 more E200s, hence 835 & 836 arriving
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 06:34:18 PM
I just know I have been asked to provide PN with 3 more E200s, hence 835 & 836 arriving
We don't want these crap machines
Quote from: Roy on January 21, 2020, 06:16:33 PM
Looking at the timetables, it would appear that the 17/17A/17E and 57 will all interwork, which suggests predominantly E200s.
I noticed that too. Plus, as the 17 is replacing the 5 between Kingswinford and Stourbridge (which in turn replaced the 267), i doubt it would be anything bigger. Although, judging by the very busy trip i've seen in the afternoon following school kicking out time (and that was an E400) they're going to get a nasty shock on Monday.
with 3 47xx's at PN, was sure more would arrive as Tony does like to keep them in numerical order at garages, but it seems not now?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 21, 2020, 07:48:41 PM
with 3 47xx's at PN, was sure more would arrive as Tony does like to keep them in numerical order at garages, but it seems not now?
I love the 4700's. Great buses to drive, older than the E40D's but much better with brakes, acceleration, suspension, the lot. Just hope the ones left at WB stay put.
Looks like 6101 and 6102 have made it to AG , and 4688 and 4693 are going to WB
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 22, 2020, 05:43:36 AM
Looks like 6101 and 6102 have made it to AG , and 4688 and 4693 are going to WB
I have a feeling the 61** will see off 4295 and 4301 as well as 4687-4696?
i hope not i had 4295 on the 72 last night beautiful ride although i do recall Tony Hunter saying the were taxed until Oct 2020 so lets just see lol
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 22, 2020, 05:43:36 AM
Looks like 6101 and 6102 have made it to AG , and 4688 and 4693 are going to WB
4688 made it, was on the 48 earlier, 6102 on the 11A.
2092 PN-WN
4359 WN-PN
6102 I think on 73 today
6103 PN - AG
4687 AG - WB
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2020, 03:15:59 PM
6104 also at AG
Haven't seen it reported so 4758 at PN.
Saw a report on Facebook re. 837 - but has this gone CV-PN ?
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 24, 2020, 05:42:23 PM
Saw a report on Facebook re. 837 - but has this gone CV-PN ?
Currently in service just going up Cox Street in Coventry city centre
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2020, 05:46:55 PM
Currently in service just going up Cox Street in Coventry city centre
Ha, that answers that !
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2020, 03:15:59 PM
6104 also at AG
Out on 5/73 today, presuming that's it first outing at AG unless it was out in evening peak yesterday.
Any more pensnett in and out transfers yesterday or today mr H ?
PN 6108 to AG
AG 4694,5,6 to WB
AG 6107 on 5 this afternoon
4759 and 4762 now pn buzzes
I've just brought 5427 down from Dundee for WN a well
4923 WN-YW
Quote from: BN on February 03, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
4923 WN-YW
Just noticed that one on Highfield Road, so it's pretty much arrived at YW now.
Sounds like 6101-10 have been transferred to AG. Not sure if that is case, so correct me if I'm wrong. I just remember that 6101 is painted blue (saw it at the YW 80th bash back in 2018).
Have seen 6103/4 in the past 2 days. 6103 was on the outer circle yesterday, while I saw 6104 in Kings Heath on Tuesday (driver training).
Quote from: darthdc on February 06, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
Sounds like 6101-10 have been transferred to AG. Not sure if that is case, so correct me if I'm wrong. I just remember that 6101 is painted blue (saw it at the YW 80th bash back in 2018).
Have seen 6103/4 in the past 2 days. 6103 was on the outer circle yesterday, while I saw 6104 in Kings Heath on Tuesday (driver training).
@darthdc - See NXWM fleetchanges on main site that Tony updates monthly.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: darthdc on February 06, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
Sounds like 6101-10 have been transferred to AG. Not sure if that is case, so correct me if I'm wrong. I just remember that 6101 is painted blue (saw it at the YW 80th bash back in 2018).
Have seen 6103/4 in the past 2 days. 6103 was on the outer circle yesterday, while I saw 6104 in Kings Heath on Tuesday (driver training).
I had 6110 on the 126 last night also 6105 was still at PN too On 126 also
6101 isn't blue
Quote from: darthdc on February 06, 2020, 01:43:17 PM
I know - my mistake. Got it confused with 4601. Did see 6101 on the outer circle today.
I thought you got it mixed up with 4601 but wasn't sure myself
Big mistake on my part. I guess that both end with 01 that got me. The fact is, I have got a photo of 6101 from last year, taken in Colmore Row (route 126).
4922 WN-YW
Quote from: BN on February 06, 2020, 05:45:18 PM
4922 WN-YW
I followed that with 2240 YW-paint (for Dundee) 6105 to AG and 4689 to WB
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 05:48:52 PM
I followed that with 2240 YW-paint (for Dundee) 6105 to AG and 4689 to WB
6105 ?
Corrected, Thanks Karl
2093 PN-WN
6105 on AG 73 Yesterday.
6102 was on the 11A yesterday.
Quote from: darthdc on February 09, 2020, 04:58:33 PM
6102 was on the 11A yesterday.
I would expect it to be, 6102 moved to AG during Jan & was on the NXWM fleetchanges list off the main site I linked for you.
Quote from: Winston on February 09, 2020, 06:36:23 PM
I would expect it to be, 6102 moved to AG during Jan & was on the NXWM fleetchanges list off the main site I linked for you.
I think most if not all of them have moved now, certainly spotted a few on the 5 and 11A/C last week.
Quote from: Stu on February 09, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
I think most if not all of them have moved now, certainly spotted a few on the 5 and 11A/C last week.
I've not seen reports of 6109/6110 moving yet to AG (unless I've missed them)
Quote from: Stu on February 09, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
I think most if not all of them have moved now, certainly spotted a few on the 5 and 11A/C last week.
left to move in the 3 way swap are
6109; 6110 PN-AG
4690; 4692 AG-WB
4760 WB-PN (at Graysons for repair work)
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2020, 06:57:29 PM
left to move in the 3 way swap are
6109; 6110 PN-AG
4690; 4692 AG-WB
4760 WB-PN (at Graysons for repair work)
when did 4753 4755 4756 move to pn ?
177; 179; 180; 182; 183; 184; 185; 186; 187 Start Hill-Gatwick
209; 212; 213; 284; 285; 286; 287; 288 Gatwick - Start Hill
Saw 6104 and 6106 on the 11 today.
1918 now at BY for a couple of months.
4345 now withdrawn
4243 now withdrawn
5426, 5430 both expected to be at WN later this week.
4363 has 8 days left before withdrawal on MoT expiru
How come 4243s been withdrawn thought the trapped ones still had some life left in them?
Quote from: WB Driver on February 11, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
How come 4243s been withdrawn thought the trapped ones still had some life left in them?
MOT expiry.
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
No just problems not worth fixing
Will another ALX400 be trapped in its place?
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 11, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
Will another ALX400 be trapped in its place?
Why! They're nearly 20 years old
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
Why! They're nearly 20 years old
Because WB have lost a trapped ALX400 perhaps?
156; 160 now left the fleet
159; 161 now withdrawn @ WN
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 11, 2020, 10:37:21 PM
Because WB have lost a trapped ALX400 perhaps?
They're Non-compliant from July anyway
4345 had a very short life at Walsall, wouldn't of made sense to of stayed at Wolves until it's final day?
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2020, 09:31:02 PM
Why! They're nearly 20 years old
So those 'fake' Euro 6 converts were a waste of money... let's be honest the trapped bunch will all be gone soon no doubt. Still go better than any Platinum! Look at 4284 for example!
And why isn't WB getting anymore replacements? 1918 and 4243 along with 4524 and 4525 again at PB (presumably the rest of their ALX400's are going to die very suddenly? 10 Gemini's is surely enough.
Quote from: Jack on February 12, 2020, 10:06:23 PM
4345 had a very short life at Walsall, wouldn't of made sense to of stayed at Wolves until it's final day?
So those 'fake' Euro 6 converts were a waste of money... let's be honest the trapped bunch will all be gone soon no doubt. Still go better than any Platinum! Look at 4284 for example!
And why isn't WB getting anymore replacements? 1918 and 4243 along with 4524 and 4525 again at PB (presumably the rest of their ALX400's are going to die very suddenly? 10 Gemini's is surely enough.
Does that mean the 42XX at AG will have to come off the 5 and 73 soon if they are non compliant?
Maybe the 11 will get some new platinums freeing up the 61XX for the 5, 72 and 73 then?
Quote from: Jack on February 12, 2020, 10:06:23 PM
4345 had a very short life at Walsall, wouldn't of made sense to of stayed at Wolves until it's final day?
So those 'fake' Euro 6 converts were a waste of money... let's be honest the trapped bunch will all be gone soon no doubt. Still go better than any Platinum! Look at 4284 for example!
And why isn't WB getting anymore replacements? 1918 and 4243 along with 4524 and 4525 again at PB (presumably the rest of their ALX400's are going to die very suddenly? 10 Gemini's is surely enough.
Yes of course, my Crystal ball didn't predict the mechanical failure of rearm sorry.
10 geminis is surely enough for what? To replace 4753-62 to Pensnett?
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Does that mean the 42XX at AG will have to come off the 5 and 73 soon if they are non compliant?
Maybe the 11 will get some new platinums freeing up the 61XX for the 5, 72 and 73 then?
Have a look at my vehicles away from home garage,
42xx at Graysons is surely the clue they are staying
Quote from: 2206 on February 12, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Does that mean the 42XX at AG will have to come off the 5 and 73 soon if they are non compliant?
Maybe the 11 will get some new platinums freeing up the 61XX for the 5, 72 and 73 then?
Let's be honest, I had a feeling 6101-6110 as well as the others already there would replace the ALX400's...
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
10 geminis is surely enough for what? To replace 4753-62 to Pensnett?
Enough for the E400's gone yes, clearly not enough for the others going off, 1918, 4524, 4525 and now the ALX400's dying out. Can't wait to see the E200's coming onto the Decker routes because there won't be enough.
Quote from: Jack on February 12, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Let's be honest, I had a feeling 6101-6110 as well as the others already there would replace the ALX400's...
Enough for the E400's gone yes, clearly not enough for the others going off, 1918, 4524, 4525 and now the ALX400's dying out. Can't wait to see the E200's coming onto the Decker routes because there won't be enough.
Amazing you know my job better than me, without any facts.
How about the E200MMCs?
How about the fat WB have no longer a big long list of buses at Graysons?
How about we are just finishing WBs paint programme?
Quote from: BN on February 12, 2020, 05:10:27 AM
156; 160 now left the fleet
159; 161 now withdrawn @ WN
Do you have a list of the withdrawn NX coaches at NXWM?
I have in total these: 90-95/110-111/113-115/119/125w/128w/138w/140-142/143w/150/152/155/159w/161w/171w/257-268/283 (with 'w' denoting withdrawn). 38 with seven withdrawn, is this right?
On my own notes I have these allocations.
WA: 90-95/111/141/267-268/283 [11]
BC: 110/113-115/119/140/142/150/152/155/257-266 [20 including coaches out-stationed at CV]
Withdrawn: 125/128/138/143/159(WN)/161(WN)/171 [7]
I have no idea if any of this is correct, I've lost track of the 1xx coaches which were based at Coventry during 2018/19.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 13, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
Do you have a list of the withdrawn NX coaches at NXWM?
I have in total these: 90-95/110-111/113-115/119/125w/128w/138w/140-142/143w/150/152/155/159w/161w/171w/257-268/283 (with 'w' denoting withdrawn). 38 with seven withdrawn, is this right?
On my own notes I have these allocations.
WA: 90-95/111/141/267-268/283 [11]
BC: 110/113-115/119/140/142/150/152/155/257-266 [20 including coaches out-stationed at CV]
Withdrawn: 125/128/138/143/159(WN)/161(WN)/171 [7]
I have no idea if any of this is correct, I've lost track of the 1xx coaches which were based at Coventry during 2018/19.
In theory, you may also have the long term reserve coaches that are stored at Chalfont, Northampton depot or those that are out on hire to other operators that were previously with NX Ops.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 13, 2020, 02:39:17 PM
Do you have a list of the withdrawn NX coaches at NXWM?
I have in total these: 90-95/110-111/113-115/119/125w/128w/138w/140-142/143w/150/152/155/159w/161w/171w/257-268/283 (with 'w' denoting withdrawn). 38 with seven withdrawn, is this right?
On my own notes I have these allocations.
WA: 90-95/111/141/267-268/283 [11]
BC: 110/113-115/119/140/142/150/152/155/257-266 [20 including coaches out-stationed at CV]
Withdrawn: 125/128/138/143/159(WN)/161(WN)/171 [7]
I have no idea if any of this is correct, I've lost track of the 1xx coaches which were based at Coventry during 2018/19.
Not really, I don't know all the fleet.
All the ex Rotala ones have gone, most of the 12 plates have gone if not all of them now the 13 plates are going back, 2 gone already. I normally post on here when collected if that helps.
Quote from: BN on February 13, 2020, 08:46:46 PM
Not really, I don't know all the fleet.
All the ex Totals ones have gone, most of the 12 plates have gone if not all of them now the 13 plates are going back, 2 gone already. I normally post on here when collected if that helps.
I've lost track of what's where - I'm hoping Tony will give a run-down, although 'NXWM coaches' could include vehicles not actually in the area.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 13, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
I've lost track of what's where - I'm hoping Tony will give a run-down, although 'NXWM coaches' could include vehicles not actually in the area.
It will include coaches not in the area, Stansted, Luton & Gatwick are all part of WMT Ltd, the same as NXWM
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 13, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
I've lost track of what's where - I'm hoping Tony will give a run-down, although 'NXWM coaches' could include vehicles not actually in the area.
I believe this is correct now except some of the South east allocations might be out of date as there is some swapping going on at the moment
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/coachfleet.html
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2020, 02:30:21 PM
I believe this is correct now except some of the South east allocations might be out of date as there is some swapping going on at the moment
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/coachfleet.html
Boss,
The update is missing the below which you posted 11th Feb:
177; 179; 180; 182; 183; 184; 185; 186; 187 Start Hill-Gatwick
209; 212; 213; 284; 285; 286; 287; 288 Gatwick - Start Hill
Quote from: Winston on February 15, 2020, 02:36:37 PM
Boss,
The update is missing the below which you posted 11th Feb:
177; 179; 180; 182; 183; 184; 185; 186; 187 Start Hill-Gatwick
209; 212; 213; 284; 285; 286; 287; 288 Gatwick - Start Hill
I'll do them with all the other Feb changes, that's why IO mentioned about the swaps
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2020, 02:47:13 PM
I'll do them with all the other Feb changes, that's why IO mentioned about the swaps
Oh, fair enough.
4926 WN-YW
6110 on AG 73 today.
Is 4760 still at WB, it was on the 80/80As yesterday
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 25, 2020, 10:00:52 PM
Is 4760 still at WB, it was on the 80/80As yesterday
I make it 4692, 4760 & 6109 are all still to move.
Quote from: Winston on February 25, 2020, 10:03:50 PM
I make it 4692, 4760 & 6109 are all still to move.
4692 is awaiting a replacement engine which is part of the hold up
4319 WN-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on February 26, 2020, 08:16:44 PM
4319 WN-withdrawn
Traveled on this on Saturday on the 16, upstairs was in a real state and was showing it's age with extremely worn seats, patched up panels and a leaky roof, so from a passenger point of view not a disappointment.
5426, 5427 and 5428 all now at WN
5422, 5423, 5429, 5430 all now at WA. One will go to B.C. tomorrow
4358 WN to CV (in red/white)
833 WN-CV via paintshop
4353 WN - withdrawn
4920 WN - YW (tomorrow)
Quote from: BN on March 09, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
833 WN-CV via paintshop
4353 WN - withdrawn
4920 WN - YW (tomorrow)
Another E200 for Coventry, that's 16 of them now, suppose logically 834 could come across too ?!
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 10, 2020, 12:14:03 AM
Another E200 for Coventry, that's 16 of them now, suppose logically 834 could come across too ?!
PN is due a third E200 I believe it was said 2091-2093 for 834-6
4313 WN-Withdrawn
4571 YW-BC
4358 CV-BC currently on the X70
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on March 20, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
On there all day @Tony ?
@Dylanbusboy45 Well I've just caught 4444 to Chelmsley on the X70, and I didn't see it. But there does appear to be an X70 missing, as I didn't pass the bus that was supposed to do the 10:20 X70 off Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 20, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
@Dylanbusboy45 Well I've just caught 4444 to Chelmsley on the X70, and I didn't see it. But there does appear to be an X70 missing, as I didn't pass the bus that was supposed to do the 10:20 X70 off Chelmsley Wood.
It was on a morning peak only board
4441 PN-BC,
4919 WN-YW
Is 4441 on elastic? 😝
4570 YW-BC
4937 WN-BC
Quote from: BN on March 26, 2020, 07:44:48 PM
4937 WN-BC
Why are the 49** leaving WN and what is replacing them
Quote from: BH2004 on March 26, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
Why are the 49** leaving WN and what is replacing them
Being replaced at WN by the Dundee Hybrids.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2020, 07:55:36 PM
Being replaced at WN by the Dundee Hybrids.
4937 was not part of the three way between YW/WN/DU so is not being replaced by the hybrids it's most likely a short term corvid-19 transfer as it's MOT is probably not due so being moved to BC potentially as more vehicles are sorned
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 26, 2020, 10:29:13 PM
4937 was not part of the three way between YW/WN/DU so is not being replaced by the hybrids it's most likely a short term corvid-19 transfer as it's MOT is probably not due so being moved to BC potentially as more vehicles are sorned
It is part of that swap
It has replaced 4927, so has been replaced by a hybrid
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
It is part of that swap
It has replaced 4927, so has been replaced by a hybrid
Ah I see sorry about that
2134; 2135 BC-WA
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
2134; 2135 BC-WA
I was looking forward to them joining a different fleet.
Quote from: BN on March 30, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
I was looking forward to them joining a different fleet.
Part of a 3 way swap to make sure YW have enough single decks for the 27 when all the E200MMCs have gone
IS 4442 still at PS or has that retuned to BC aswell?
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2020, 11:07:41 AM
Part of a 3 way swap to make sure YW have enough single decks for the 27 when all the E200MMCs have gone
Are those the last of the Volvo single deckers at BC?
And are 4570 and 4571 in that 3 way swop?
Quote from: B.C Driver on March 30, 2020, 02:00:35 PM
Are those the last of the Volvo single deckers at BC?
And are 4570 and 4571 in that 3 way swop?
Yes 4570/1 were replacements for 2134/5
2136 currently away for serious RTC repairs and 2137 currently parked up due to C-19 virus are still BC vehicles.
BC also now have the oldest bus currently on the road, recent transfer in 4358 is still out and about on the 14. The only 43xx currently in sevrice
1912 WA - YW
2244 YW - reserve for transfer to Dundee
4354 WN-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on April 04, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
4354 WN-withdrawn
That was a beaut at WA, perfect Trident
Quote from: BN on April 04, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
4354 WN-withdrawn
YWs showbus for years, went to a lot of rallies with it, a shame to see it go.
1876 BY - PB.
Seen in my local area at Fox and Goose around 20 minutes ago on the 28 going to Heartlands Hospital.
Have the others returned as well to their original garages? By others I mean - 4524, 4525, 1877, 1883 and 1918?
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2020, 01:25:47 PM
1876 BY - PB.
Seen in my local area at Fox and Goose around 20 minutes ago on the 28 going to Heartlands Hospital.
Have the others returned as well to there original garages? By others I mean - 4524, 4525, 1877, 1883 and 1918?
1918 was returned to WB around a month ago
4524/4525 are at Perry Barr
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2020, 01:25:47 PM
1876 BY - PB.
Seen in my local area at Fox and Goose around 20 minutes ago on the 28 going to Heartlands Hospital.
Have the others returned as well to their original garages? By others I mean - 4524, 4525, 1877, 1883 and 1918?
All Scanias are currently at Home garages due to maintenance contracts. They will go back to Bordesley
Are any of the recently transferred Ex Dundee buses running from Wolves yet?
IE 5422-5430? Also any news from Sheffield on the progress of 7539? thanks
ps Has the delivery of the E series to CV been suspended? ....
Quote from: windy miller on April 06, 2020, 09:34:54 PM
Are any of the recently transferred Ex Dundee buses running from Wolves yet?
IE 5422-5430? Also any news from Sheffield on the progress of 7539? thanks
ps Has the delivery of the E series to YW been suspended? ....
All hybrids are currently stored.
7539 nearly ready
Production of all buses is suspended at Alexander Dennis
Only for maintenance.
267; 268 WA-WN
Quote from: BN on May 11, 2020, 08:21:25 PM
Only for maintenance.
267; 268 WA-WN
I'm guessing these were moved on trade plates as Walsall's coach fleet are SORN
Quote from: Ex BC driver on May 12, 2020, 01:17:45 PM
I'm guessing these were moved on trade plates as Walsall's coach fleet are SORN
Correct.
1850; 1854; 1860; 1862 moved to BC for safe storage during reduced services
4443; 4571; 4576; 4611; 4621; 4633 BC-WA (long term loans to help keep the 4 DD)
7515; 7516; 7517 BC-AG
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
1850; 1854; 1860; 1862 moved to BC for safe storage during reduced services
4443; 4571; 4576; 4611; 4621; 4633 BC-WA (long term loans to help keep the 4 DD)
7515; 7516; 7517 BC-AG
what routes will 7515-17 bee used on
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 05, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
what routes will 7515-17 bee used on
General use at the moment
Will they be given the next stop announcements for X12?
Quote from: Jack D on June 05, 2020, 05:13:14 PM
Will they be given the next stop announcements for X12?
They wheels have barely stopped turning after entering AG. Give it chance for the engine to cool down first.
Quote from: Gareth on June 05, 2020, 05:30:19 PM
They wheels have barely stopped turning after entering AG. Give it chance for the engine to cool down first.
Waiting for the spotters whom have enjoyed travelling the region on "essential" travel to camp outside for 7515-17 to venture out....
Can't think the last time I left the Dudley area? February at least?
Just let me know if 7516 ends up on the 11. Of the 3, its the only one I have yet to snap.
1858; 1859; 1861 WA - store at BC
4446; 4577; 4634 BC - WA (loan)
Will any previously withdrawn buses (tridents and b7s) be reinstated to help capacity?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2020, 07:10:03 PM
Will any previously withdrawn buses (tridents and b7s) be reinstated to help capacity?
NX have said that they have some buses sitting on the sidelines that will be put out to help with capacity. I don't know if that applies to withdrawn buses
Are 2244/5/6 still Dundee bound after all this virus madness calms down?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 08, 2020, 07:12:11 PM
NX have said that they have some buses sitting on the sidelines that will be put out to help with capacity. I don't know if that applies to withdrawn buses
It means nothing of the sort.
It means there are buses with drivers parked in strategic point to come into service if overloading occurs
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2020, 07:10:03 PM
Will any previously withdrawn buses (tridents and b7s) be reinstated to help capacity?
All WN vehicles are now available to use and have been out daily.
Quote from: BN on June 08, 2020, 07:16:15 PM
All WN vehicles are now available to use and have been out daily.
Don't think PB have used the Gemini anywhere yet, I've not seen one on the 94 since Sunday 29th March.
Wander when these will eventually come back?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2020, 07:10:03 PM
Will any previously withdrawn buses (tridents and b7s) be reinstated to help capacity?
That's about 30 Gemini there that are out of use, so no need to reinstate any withdrawn buses, i'd think.
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Don't think PB have used the Gemini anywhere yet, I've not seen one on the 94 since Sunday 29th March.
Wander when these will eventually come back? That's about 30 Gemini there that are out of use, so no need to reinstate any withdrawn buses, i'd think.
Perry Barr have been using Geminis, Mostly on the 101 strangely
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2020, 07:41:02 PM
Perry Barr have been using Geminis, Mostly on the 101 strangely
Thanks for the info, never knew that as I don't see the 101 route.
Don't think they've put one on the 94 yet unless I've missed it.
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
It means nothing of the sort.
It means there are buses with drivers parked in strategic point to come into service if overloading occurs
That makes much more sense
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
It means nothing of the sort.
It means there are buses with drivers parked in strategic point to come into service if overloading occurs
have the blinds been programmed with "
Service Extra" on them?
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2020, 07:43:09 PM
Thanks for the info, never knew that as I don't see the 101 route.
Don't think they've put one on the 94 yet unless I've missed it.
4485 was Strategic spare at Park Street today for any excess passengers, but I don't think the Washwood Heath Road had any problems
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Don't think PB have used the Gemini anywhere yet, I've not seen one on the 94 since Sunday 29th March.
Wander when these will eventually come back? That's about 30 Gemini there that are out of use, so no need to reinstate any withdrawn buses, i'd think.
A gemini did a 33 (think either 4524 or 4525) from city to Perry barr, presumably one of the ones parked up in city
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Don't think PB have used the Gemini anywhere yet, I've not seen one on the 94 since Sunday 29th March.
Wander when these will eventually come back? That's about 30 Gemini there that are out of use, so no need to reinstate any withdrawn buses, i'd think.
Haven't seen any on the 52 either, especially as its solid DD now.
When I walked past the depot last week there was a long line up of them stored where the Omnilinks normally at the corner of Wellhead Lane. However, they have been out then it seems.
I saw 4488 sitting in Birmingham as a spare but no others certainly none on 65/67/94
Transfers done today
E001 BC-YW (ready for service)
1853 WA-BC for storage)
4426 PN-WN
4546 YW-WN (loan)
4553 YW-WN (transfer)
4556 YW-WN (transfer)
4568 YW-WA
6106 AG-PN
6112 AG-PN
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2020, 04:41:16 PM
6106 AG-PN
6112 AG-PN
Are these being replaced by the Platinums?
Will more be leaving eventually?
More importantly, E001 is getting ready for service, and E019 has turned up at BC (from the photo that Tony has put up). Looks like they're only waiting on one of the YW Electrics to arrive now.
Quote from: 2206 on June 09, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Are these being replaced by the Platinums?
Will more be leaving eventually?
Ag has a number of envrio 400MMC branded for 11
Quote from: 2206 on June 09, 2020, 04:49:01 PM
Are these being replaced by the Platinums?
Will more be leaving eventually?
I hear that the increased Platinums at AG are for the 5. Presumably the logic is to make Stratford Road services Platinum (routes 5 & 6).
By that logic, I'd assume the early 61xx would move to Pensnett.
Quote from: MW on June 09, 2020, 06:34:27 PM
I hear that the increased Platinums at AG are for the 5. Presumably the logic is to make Stratford Road services Platinum (routes 5 & 6).
By that logic, I'd assume the early 61xx would move to Pensnett.
The 5/73 are normally largely 42XX in normal circumstances though?
The 61XX are normally on the 11.
So they'd have to make the 73 platinum as well in that case (unless they won't be interworking anymore)? And would that would mean the 42XX would end up on the 11 and 72?
Quote from: 2206 on June 09, 2020, 06:37:27 PM
The 5/73 are normally largely 42XX in normal circumstances though?
The 61XX are normally on the 11.
So they'd have to make the 73 platinum as well in that case (unless they won't be interworking anymore)? And would that would mean the 42XX would end up on the 11 and 72?
Again, from what I've heard the 5 & 73 are to be split.
Has 4584 transferred to WN cause someone said it on Facebook but I dont know if it's true cause I haven't seen it reported on here
Quote from: BH2004 on June 09, 2020, 09:23:11 PM
Has 4584 transferred to WN cause someone said it on Facebook but I dont know if it's true cause I haven't seen it reported on here
I've just listed what has transferred!
E002 now at YW fully branded.
4358 BC-WA (transfer not loan)
4425 PN-WN
4594 YW-WA
6969 YW-WB
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2020, 06:31:44 PM
E002 now at YW fully branded.
4358 BC-WA (transfer not loan)
4425 PN-WN
4594 YW-WA
6969 YW-WB
There still was a 43xx at BC? I thought they all left when NX lost the 36 (Heartlands Hospital- Greet)
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 10, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
There still was a 43xx at BC? I thought they all left when NX lost the 36 (Heartlands Hospital- Greet)
I really wonder why I keep people up to date on the main site some times
There aint any 43s at BC now 4363 went to PL 4367 to WA 4358 appeared at BC just before lockdown after coming back from loan to CV was only in service a week though I think
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2020, 06:31:44 PM
E002 now at YW fully branded.
4358 BC-WA (transfer not loan)
4425 PN-WN
4594 YW-WA
6969 YW-WB
Will 6968 also follow 6969 to WB to complete 25 platinums for 87 in future if/when the service levels go back to the full 25 R/B's
Quote from: aSingh on June 11, 2020, 01:29:06 AM
Will 6968 also follow 6969 to WB to complete 25 platinums for 87 in future if/when the service levels go back to the full 25 R/B's
Wouldn't that make the amount of Platinums at WB 26? 6968-6993?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 11, 2020, 04:37:38 PM
Wouldn't that make the amount of Platinums at WB 26? 6968-6993?
Nope, 25 mate
Full list of vehicle moves today
(I think I have caught them all)
E009 BC-YW now fully branded
1791 BY-paint for crimsoning
2100 PN-paint for crimsoning
4476; 4485 PB-WB (4482 still at PB tonight)
4617; 4619; 4620; 4622; 4632 BC-WA (on loan)
1849 WA-BC (for storage)
4569 YW-WA
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
4476; 4485 PB-WB (4482 still at PB tonight)
Didn't realise Perry Barr we're loosing the geminis shame nice buses they are
Quote from: Nxwm on June 11, 2020, 07:22:51 PM
only going on loan to help with Social distancing on WB routes
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
Full list of vehicle moves today
(I think I have caught them all)
E009 BC-YW now fully branded
1791 BY-paint for crimsoning
2100 PN-paint for crimsoning
4476; 4485 PB-WB (4482 still at PB tonight)
4617; 4619; 4620; 4622; 4632 BC-WA (on loan)
1849 WA-BC (for storage)
4569 YW-WA
Got some to add 5422 paint to WN. 849 WN to paint.
Quote from: BN on June 11, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
Got some to add 5422 paint to WN. 849 WN to paint.
And 4427 PN-WN
Quote from: BN on June 11, 2020, 07:43:48 PM
Got some to add 5422 paint to WN. 849 WN to paint.
Never noticed 849 at WA
Are 2244/5/6 still Dundee bound once all this covid19 stuff is out of the way, I noticed there was an Xplore green 224x E200MMC in the background of the latest photo of 5422. How ironic, 5422's display says "Xplore Dundee, discover your city" whilst being painted WM crimson red, while the display on the Xplore Dundee E200MMC would probably say NX West Midlands, lol
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 12, 2020, 05:49:27 AM
Are 2244/5/6 still Dundee bound once all this covid19 stuff is out of the way, I noticed there was an Xplore green 224x E200MMC in the background of the latest photo of 5422. How ironic, 5422's display says "Xplore Dundee, discover your city" whilst being painted WM crimson red, while the display on the Xplore Dundee E200MMC would probably say NX West Midlands, lol
Yeah they are, Tony posted on Facebook with one of them done and awaiting to go north once hotels are reopened
Quote from: paulb1973 on June 11, 2020, 07:59:01 PM
6968-6993 inclusive is 26.
Ohh yes you're right, I was counting from 6971. Such a fool I am. Didn't factor in 6970.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 12, 2020, 05:49:27 AM
How ironic, 5422's display says "Xplore Dundee, discover your city" whilst being painted WM crimson red, while the display on the Xplore Dundee E200MMC would probably say NX West Midlands, lol
The blinds have probably not been changed to reflect the new home for either bus. They will no doubt be changed before entering service.
Vehicle moves today (again I could possibly have missed one)
E017 BC-YW now fully branded
6114 AG-PN (transfer)
4445; 4570; 4610; 4627 BC-WA (loans, 4448 still to move)
1856; 1880 WA-BC (temp storage)
4555 YW-WN (transfer)
4384; 4389; 4393; 4550; 4590 YW-WN (loans)
4478; 4482; 4488; 4500 PB-WB (loans)
848 WN - paint (for crimsoning)
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2020, 06:21:51 PM
Vehicle moves today (again I could possibly have missed one)
E017 BC-YW now fully branded
6114 AG-PN (transfer)
4445; 4570; 4610; 4627 BC-WA (loans, 4448 still to move)
1856; 1880 WA-BC (temp storage)
4555 YW-WN (transfer)
4384; 4389; 4393; 4550; 4590 YW-WN (loans)
4478; 4482; 4488; 4500 PB-WB (loans)
848 WN - paint (for crimsoning)
Has anymore PN44** transferred to WN
Quote from: BH2004 on June 12, 2020, 07:02:54 PM
Has anymore PN44** transferred to WN
I've just what has moved!
4476 possibly on loan from PB-WB too, spotted it yesterday heading through West Bromwich with an engineer at the wheel.
Quote from: StourValley98 on June 13, 2020, 07:17:42 AM
4476 possibly on loan from PB-WB too, spotted it yesterday heading through West Bromwich with an engineer at the wheel.
MOT
4476 possibly on loan from PB-WB too, spotted it yesterday heading through West Bromwich with an engineer at the wheel.
Quote from: Solo1 on June 13, 2020, 08:21:27 AM
MOT
You could both actually bother to read this thread
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2020, 08:56:48 AM
You could both actually bother to read this thread
I did check and I couldn't see it mentioned. There's no need to be snarky though, not everyone has time to read every single post on here.
Quote from: StourValley98 on June 13, 2020, 09:46:40 AM
I did check and I couldn't see it mentioned. There's no need to be snarky though, not everyone has time to read every single post on here.
More sarcasm towards sSolo who posts guesses as facts
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
Full list of vehicle moves today
(I think I have caught them all)
4476; 4485 PB-WB (4482 still at PB tonight)
this is what I saw
Quote from: Solo1 on June 13, 2020, 10:05:33 AM
this is what I saw
So why post 4476 was there for MoT
Because I didn't look back at early posts & west brom do some of the mot's
7518; 7519; 7520; 7521; 7522; 7524 YW-AG
6107, 6111, 6113 AG-PN
4428; 4432; 4435; 4436 PN-WN (only 4428 so far physically moved)
4334; 4340; 4342; 4344; 4351; 4352; 4354 WN-WA
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
7518; 7519; 7520; 7521; 7522; 7524 YW-AG
6107, 6111, 6113 AG-PN
4428; 4432; 4435; 4436 PN-WN (only 4428 so far physically moved)
4334; 4340; 4342; 4344; 4351; 4352; 4354 WN-WA
Those Platinums are for the 5 right? It is going to be weird seeing them on the 5 when it has had Geminis, Tridents and Volvos as long as I can remember.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 26, 2020, 10:56:40 PM
Those Platinums are for the 5 right? It is going to be weird seeing them on the 5 when it has had Geminis, Tridents and Volvos as long as I can remember.
Seen a few 75xx Platinums on Lode Lane today, working routes 72/73. The first batch of Platinums (X12) are starting to look worn out when compared to these. Again, the alloy wheels are very noticeable when comparing to the basically black wheels on the older examples.
On another note, the 5 has seen Crimson E400MMC operated for a while now, although you still can't beat a Gemini!
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
7518; 7519; 7520; 7521; 7522; 7524 YW-AG
6107, 6111, 6113 AG-PN
4428; 4432; 4435; 4436 PN-WN (only 4428 so far physically moved)
4334; 4340; 4342; 4344; 4351; 4352; 4354 WN-WA
4430; 4432; 4435; 4436 have now arrived.
4331, 4332, 4333 WN-PN
4434 PN-WN
4429 PN-WN
Are 729/730 going to be entering service anytime soon? Just wondered they've been in reserve for a while now.
Quote from: Jack on July 07, 2020, 02:00:21 PM
Are 729/730 going to be entering service anytime soon? Just wondered they've been in reserve for a while now.
They're waiting for an outside company to fit the tracking equipment.
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2020, 02:01:20 PM
They're waiting for an outside company to fit the tracking equipment.
Thanks for the reply, Tony.
Quote from: karl724223 on July 08, 2020, 07:57:00 PM
Tony have you got a update of pensnett transfers 61xx in 44xx out
6101/3/6/7/8-14 so far at PN
4425-30/2/4-6 moved to WN
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
6101/3/6/7/8-14 so far at PN
4425-30/2/4-6 moved to WN
Is that all the PN tridents gone to WN?
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 08, 2020, 08:08:09 PM
Is that all the PN tridents gone to WN?
correction all 44xx will be going
6102; 6105 AG-PN
7528 on the AG 4 today.
Is 4760 still poised moved to PN?
4350 WN-Withdrawn
7536 transferred across to AG on the 73 today
Can anyone tell me if/when all of the ex Dundee series 54xx vehicles are/will be expected
to be in service anytime soon? Many thanks
Quote from: windy miller on July 19, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
Can anyone tell me if/when all of the ex Dundee series 54xx vehicles are/will be expected
to be in service anytime soon? Many thanks
All are in service apart from 5425 (stand to be corrected but it should be nearly ready to enter service)
Quote from: John on July 19, 2020, 05:16:52 PM
All are in service apart from 5425 (stand to be corrected but it should be nearly ready to enter service)
Correct John, all are in service. 5425 should be out tomorrow completing the batch.
Quote from: BN on July 20, 2020, 12:19:15 PM
Correct John, all are in service. 5425 should be out tomorrow completing the batch.
Just waiting the call to fetch 5409 to complete the 30 together for the first time
4323; 4363 WN-PN
Quote from: Tony on July 20, 2020, 05:02:13 PM
Just waiting the call to fetch 5409 to complete the 30 together for the first time
Don't tell me
@Tony they have actually got it to work?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Don't tell me @Tony they have actually got it to work?
It's up at EYMS being converted to Euro 6 diesel as per 5402 etc
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2020, 03:31:33 PM
It's up at EYMS being converted to Euro 6 diesel as per 5402 etc
Yes
@Winston , but hasn't it been away for around 2 or 3 years, not exactly a quick conversion!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2020, 05:17:05 PM
Yes @Winston , but hasn't it been away for around 2 or 3 years, not exactly a quick conversion!
Yes at PCS & they've done nothing with it. At EYMS normal turnaround applies as per 5402 etc!
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2020, 05:30:01 PM
Yes at PCS & they've done nothing with it. At EYMS normal turnaround applies as per 5402 etc!
PCS did manage to fit a 6 cylinder engine (not euro 6) during its time at Wootton Bassett along with removing the hybrid bits. You cannot fit a euro 6 engine in a standard E400, that is why MMCs have those extended rear ends to fit the larger Euro 6 engine. It was towed to EYMS about a month ago, they reckon 4-6 weeks to obtain all the parts required to finish the conversion, then around 2 weeks labour.
It is different to all the others because of the 6cyl engine. All other conversions for all operators done by EYMS have retained the original 4cyl engine. This means fitting the ZF gearbox is going to be very tight and the bus should be more powerful than 5402/5412. It will then have a trap fitted at Graysons to make it euro 6
4433 PN-WN
1784 Dundee to Training School
217; 219 SH-WA
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 06:53:39 PM
PCS did manage to fit a 6 cylinder engine (not euro 6) during its time at Wootton Bassett along with removing the hybrid bits. You cannot fit a euro 6 engine in a standard E400, that is why MMCs have those extended rear ends to fit the larger Euro 6 engine. It was towed to EYMS about a month ago, they reckon 4-6 weeks to obtain all the parts required to finish the conversion, then around 2 weeks labour.
It is different to all the others because of the 6cyl engine. All other conversions for all operators done by EYMS have retained the original 4cyl engine. This means fitting the ZF gearbox is going to be very tight and the bus should be more powerful than 5402/5412. It will then have a trap fitted at Graysons to make it euro 6
Oh! I thought you said PCS hadn't done anything with it during it's long spell there.
4440 PN-WN
834 WN-PN
4324; 4325 WN-PN
4437 PN-WN
Is 4760 a PE bus now, or is it still at WB? I haven't seen it in ages - apart from today - it's on the 12s/13s typical ::)
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Is 4760 a PE bus now, or is it still at WB? I haven't seen it in ages - apart from today - it's on the 12s/13s typical ::)
What's PE?
Pensnett Garage, you've probably heard of it being referred to as PN
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2020, 10:59:55 PM
Pensnett Garage, you've probably heard of it being referred to as PN
Ah yes.
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Is 4760 a PE bus now, or is it still at WB? I haven't seen it in ages - apart from today - it's on the 12s/13s typical ::)
I'm not sure but it was still at wb about 2/3 weeks ago on the 42
It is the reason I post all the transfers on the main site to answer queries like this.
4431 PN-WN
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 09, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
I'm not sure but it was still at wb about 2/3 weeks ago on the 42
4760 is still at WB, it was on a 3 up Merry Hill earlier.
Quote from: Winston on August 09, 2020, 03:59:48 PM
4760 is still at WB, it was on a 3 up Merry Hill earlier.
Thanks
@Winston, is it still due to join 4753-4759/4761/4762 at PE?
766 BC-Aston
8355 reinstated at Aston (This and 8354 were due to go off lease, but are now being kept. 8356 will go off lease)
729 Reserve-WN
2136 BC-WN
729/730 WN-PN
4322 WN-WITHDRAWN
Quote from: BN on September 11, 2020, 08:47:30 PM
2136 BC-WN
....presumably via Walsall paintshop.....
6759 PN-WN
September list here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Have 4568 4569 left Walsall they was down as transfers in June 2020 but no trace after and not been seen.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 01, 2020, 08:42:01 PM
Have 4568 4569 left Walsall they was down as transfers in June 2020 but no trace after and not been seen.
I was wondering the same as there were no reports, but can confirm both are back at Yardley Wood now having rode them recently
Quote from: PB2938 on October 01, 2020, 08:42:01 PM
Have 4568 4569 left Walsall they was down as transfers in June 2020 but no trace after and not been seen.
Yes, Last month. I need to add them to the August list
Full list of tomorrow's moves are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 04:55:44 PM
Full list of tomorrow's moves are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Very interesting, looks like Yardley Wood lose 9 DDs replaced by 10 Scanias (+1 Trident)
2 and 3 going single deck again then? :o Or will they just be mixed about?
Does this mean all the walsall loans will be going back too
Quote from: cris 99 on October 03, 2020, 05:31:49 PM
Does this mean all the walsall loans will be going back too
Well they are not going to stay at Bordesley when it shuts are they!
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 04:55:44 PM
Full list of tomorrow's moves are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Will 1925 be going back to YW too? Its not listed.
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 04:55:44 PM
Full list of tomorrow's moves are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Can E400MMC be used on the 8A/8C now?
Quote from: MW on October 03, 2020, 06:41:19 PM
Can E400MMC be used on the 8A/8C now?
8 is being restricted to single deck only to save any confusion on vehicle types
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2020, 09:01:48 PM
Yes, Last month. I need to add them to the August list
Think 1876 and 1877 were missed off March fleetchanges as well. As the fleetlist still says they are BY buses.
With all those transfers occurring/occurred - is now a good time to post my garage totals (by vehicle type) list?! Does this look right - I've excluded trainers, preserved buses and the NX coaches and obviously all the withdrawn vehicles:
Acocks Green
19 Scania (1788-90/92-1807)
31 E200MMC (2201-31)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
35 B7/Gemini (4525-34; 4635-59)
47 E400MMC (6115-48; 6701-10; 7515-17)
___
149
Birmingham Central
3 E200MMC (765/67-68)
62 Trident (4441-9/55-74; 4570-77; 4608-23/25-28/30-34)
50 E400 (4871-80/95-921/37-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
90 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50; 7518-33)
___
223
Coventry
10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
___
178
Pensnett
34 Dart/E200 (729-34/54/56-57/801-4/21-30/34-36/63-70)
18 B7RLE (2094-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
10 Trident (4323-25/27/31-33/59-60/63)
9 E400 (4753-59/61-62)
40 E400MMC (6101-3/5-7/9-14; 6915-42)
___
116
Perry Barr
3 Wright StreetLite (431/3/5)
66 Scania (1808-33; 1863-77; 1899-907/25; 7019-33)
31 B7/Gemini (4475-96/98-4505/7)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
41 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-53)
51 E400MMC (6796-6824; 6994-7000/7500-14)
___
196
Walsall
12 E200 (805-8/55-62)
50 Scania (1834-62/78-98)
44 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-35)
31 Trident (4125; 4306/34/40/42/44/46/48-49/51-52/54/58/65/67; 4568-69/94-4607)
22 E400 (4733-37; 4854-70)
48 E400MMC (6711-58)
___
207
West Bromwich
20 E200 (755/58-64; 809-20)
21 Scania (1918/34-53)
7 E200MMC (2232-38)
13 B7/ALX (4237/39-41/44-45/53-54/66/70-73)
28 B7/Gemini (4506/8-19/21-24; 4679/87-96)
49 E400 (4738-52/60; 4950-82)
28 E400MMC (6104/8; 6968-93)
___
166
Wolverhampton
13 E200 (751-53; 845-54)
75 B7RLE (2001-29/59-93; 2120-23/36-42)
41 Trident (4310-12/14/17-18; 4425-40; 4535-42/53/55-64)
10 E400 (4927-36)
30 E400H (5401-21; 5422-30)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
206
Yardley Wood
19 E400EV (E001-19)
23 Scania (1909-17/19-24/26-33)
40 Trident (4321/82-90/92-94; 4544-52/65-67/78-92)
20 E400 (4718-32; 4922-26)
29 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44; 7534-38)
___
131
Total 1572
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
With all those transfers occurring/occurred - is now a good time to post my garage totals (by vehicle type) list?! Does this look right - I've excluded trainers, preserved buses and the NX coaches and obviously all the withdrawn vehicles:
Acocks Green
19 Scania (1788-90/92-1807)
31 E200MMC (2201-31)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
35 B7/Gemini (4525-34; 4635-59)
47 E400MMC (6115-48; 6701-10; 7515-17)
___
149
Birmingham Central
3 E200MMC (765/67-68)
62 Trident (4441-9/55-74; 4570-77; 4608-23/25-28/30-34)
50 E400 (4871-80/95-921/37-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
90 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50; 7518-33)
___
223
Coventry
10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
___
178
Pensnett
34 Dart/E200 (729-34/54/56-57/801-4/21-30/34-36/63-70)
18 B7RLE (2094-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
10 Trident (4323-25/27/31-33/59-60/63)
9 E400 (4753-59/61-62)
40 E400MMC (6101-3/5-7/9-14; 6915-42)
___
116
Perry Barr
3 Wright StreetLite (431/3/5)
66 Scania (1808-33; 1863-77; 1899-907/25; 7019-33)
31 B7/Gemini (4475-96/98-4505/7)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
41 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-53)
51 E400MMC (6796-6824; 6994-7000/7500-14)
___
196
Walsall
12 E200 (805-8/55-62)
50 Scania (1834-62/78-98)
44 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-35)
31 Trident (4125; 4306/34/40/42/44/46/48-49/51-52/54/58/65/67; 4568-69/94-4607)
22 E400 (4733-37; 4854-70)
48 E400MMC (6711-58)
___
207
West Bromwich
20 E200 (755/58-64; 809-20)
21 Scania (1918/34-53)
7 E200MMC (2232-38)
13 B7/ALX (4237/39-41/44-45/53-54/66/70-73)
28 B7/Gemini (4506/8-19/21-24; 4679/87-96)
49 E400 (4738-52/60; 4950-82)
28 E400MMC (6104/8; 6968-93)
___
166
Wolverhampton
13 E200 (751-53; 845-54)
75 B7RLE (2001-29/59-93; 2120-23/36-42)
41 Trident (4310-12/14/17-18; 4425-40; 4535-42/53/55-64)
10 E400 (4927-36)
30 E400H (5401-21; 5422-30)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
206
Yardley Wood
19 E400EV (E001-19)
23 Scania (1909-17/19-24/26-33)
40 Trident (4321/82-90/92-94; 4544-52/65-67/78-92)
20 E400 (4718-32; 4922-26)
29 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44; 7534-38)
___
131
Total 1572
There's one error I can see, there's only 3 Streetlites at PN, the other 2 are still here in Dundee.
i do believe 1925 is also going to YW too just missed of the list
Quote from: cris 99 on October 04, 2020, 10:50:39 AM
i do believe 1925 is also going to YW too just missed of the list
I have 1925 at PB. I also have StreetLites 431/3/5 at PB (not PN) with 432/4 still at Dundee.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
I have 1925 at PB. I also have StreetLites 431/3/5 at PB (not PN) with 432/4 still at Dundee.
Main site says 7515 - 7517 are going back to BC.
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
With all those transfers occurring/occurred - is now a good time to post my garage totals (by vehicle type) list?! Does this look right - I've excluded trainers, preserved buses and the NX coaches and obviously all the withdrawn vehicles:
Acocks Green
19 Scania (1788-90/92-1807)
31 E200MMC (2201-31)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
35 B7/Gemini (4525-34; 4635-59)
47 E400MMC (6115-48; 6701-10; 7515-17)
___
149
Birmingham Central
3 E200MMC (765/67-68)
62 Trident (4441-9/55-74; 4570-77; 4608-23/25-28/30-34)
50 E400 (4871-80/95-921/37-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
90 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50; 7518-33)
___
223
Coventry
10 E400EV (E020-29)
16 E200 (831-33/37-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
17 Trident (4370/99/4403/6-14; 4450-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
17 B7/Gemini (4660-75/78)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
20 E400MMC (6951-67; 7539-41)
___
178
Pensnett
34 Dart/E200 (729-34/54/56-57/801-4/21-30/34-36/63-70)
18 B7RLE (2094-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
10 Trident (4323-25/27/31-33/59-60/63)
9 E400 (4753-59/61-62)
40 E400MMC (6101-3/5-7/9-14; 6915-42)
___
116
Perry Barr
3 Wright StreetLite (431/3/5)
66 Scania (1808-33; 1863-77; 1899-907/25; 7019-33)
31 B7/Gemini (4475-96/98-4505/7)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
41 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-53)
51 E400MMC (6796-6824; 6994-7000/7500-14)
___
196
Walsall
12 E200 (805-8/55-62)
50 Scania (1834-62/78-98)
44 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-35)
31 Trident (4125; 4306/34/40/42/44/46/48-49/51-52/54/58/65/67; 4568-69/94-4607)
22 E400 (4733-37; 4854-70)
48 E400MMC (6711-58)
___
207
West Bromwich
20 E200 (755/58-64; 809-20)
21 Scania (1918/34-53)
7 E200MMC (2232-38)
13 B7/ALX (4237/39-41/44-45/53-54/66/70-73)
28 B7/Gemini (4506/8-19/21-24; 4679/87-96)
49 E400 (4738-52/60; 4950-82)
28 E400MMC (6104/8; 6968-93)
___
166
Wolverhampton
13 E200 (751-53; 845-54)
75 B7RLE (2001-29/59-93; 2120-23/36-42)
41 Trident (4310-12/14/17-18; 4425-40; 4535-42/53/55-64)
10 E400 (4927-36)
30 E400H (5401-21; 5422-30)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
206
Yardley Wood
19 E400EV (E001-19)
23 Scania (1909-17/19-24/26-33)
40 Trident (4321/82-90/92-94; 4544-52/65-67/78-92)
20 E400 (4718-32; 4922-26)
29 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44; 7534-38)
___
131
Total 1572
According to the fleet list 7515-7517 have went to Birmingham Central
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
Main site says 7515 - 7517 are going back to BC.
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Yes, they do indeed; so 146 total at AG and a mere 226 at BC (93 MMC's there!).
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
Yes, they do indeed; so 146 total at AG and a mere 226 at BC (93 MMC's there!).
Tony also changed it first it said 7518-7528 now 7515-7528
It's been missed off the transfer lists but 4568 & 4569 are back at Yardley Wood from Walsall
@paulb1973
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 04, 2020, 11:46:12 AM
It's been missed off the transfer lists but 4568 & 4569 are back at Yardley Wood from Walsall @paulb1973
Yes, noted, I'll update my list. I've tried to avoid loans as Tony updates us on those on a separate thread.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 04, 2020, 04:04:25 PM
Yes, noted, I'll update my list. I've tried to avoid loans as Tony updates us on those on a separate thread.
All the planned transfers happened today except
AG 1794 at MAN for MoT prep
AG 1802 still dead at BY awaiting a part
PB 1930 in paint at WA
WA 1834 at MAN for MoT prep
BC 7524 at AG receiving RTC repairs
There are now no E200s at BC, all of the white ones are now running from Aston
263; 264; 265 & 266 are now fitted with ticket machines for bus work at BC
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2020, 06:16:53 PM
263; 264; 265 & 266 are now fitted with ticket machines for bus work at BC
That'll be odd seeing one of them on bus work as they seem to be coaches.
Wander what they'll see use on? Will they see use on all bus work at BC, or peak duplicates like the 08:09 X2 Swan - St Peters via Solihull Town duplicate?
With the BY fleet now spread over three different garages, what happens to the contract with MAN regarding 1788-1836?
Will one of the coaches at BC now be on staff shuttle or will it be a decker as 2137 & the white ones have moved
Quote from: Solo1 on October 04, 2020, 06:24:11 PM
Will one of the coaches at BC now be on staff shuttle or will it be a decker as 2137 & the white ones have moved
4627 on there today.
Quote from: Gareth on October 04, 2020, 06:22:22 PM
With the BY fleet now spread over three different garages, what happens to the contract with MAN regarding 1788-1836?
The contract is finishing. That is one of the savings
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2020, 06:20:09 PM
That'll be odd seeing one of them on bus work as they seem to be coaches.
Wander what they'll see use on? Will they see use on all bus work at BC, or peak duplicates like the 08:09 X2 Swan - St Peters via Solihull Town duplicate?
My guess is that you won't see them on regular public services, just schools/works runs not available to general public. Which frees up vehicles for regular public service.
Quote from: Stu on October 04, 2020, 07:17:19 PM
My guess is that you won't see them on regular public services, just schools/works runs not available to general public. Which frees up vehicles for regular public service.
Do BC run any isolated closed door school runs that don't do other services after, as a lot of school runs used to do other routes after? And which ones are these please?
Quote from: Stu on October 04, 2020, 07:17:19 PM
My guess is that you won't see them on regular public services, just schools/works runs not available to general public. Which frees up vehicles for regular public service.
Correct. The 50s is one
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2020, 07:32:35 PM
The 50s is one
Where does that one go to please? Does it follow the normal 50 route or go somewhere else?
Edit - Just found it on this site it says Highgate Road, JC College to Birmingham City Centre at 16:18.
https://nxswiftconnect.com/birminghamnationalexpress/search?date=2020-10-05&direction=1&route=50S%20-%20YWAO050S-SER50S
1918 WB-PB
1952 WB-PB
4507 PB-AG
757 now at WB, saw it on the 22 earlier
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
1952 WB-PB
4507 PB-AG
Another single decker, it's bad enough they're now appearing more often on double decker routes, unless they're going to bring back the 28E (Dyas Road to Tyburn)........ nah, of course they won't !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 06, 2020, 06:02:01 PM
Another single decker, it's bad enough they're now appearing more often on double decker routes, unless they're going to bring back the 28E (Dyas Road to Tyburn)........ nah, of course they won't !
Perry Barr asked for an extra single deck as they were struggling to maintain their single deck services
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2020, 06:21:07 PM
Perry Barr asked for an extra single deck as they were struggling to maintain their single deck services
After gaining a high majority of Bordesley Omnilink's? Don't remember them struggling before they had the Bordesley ones...
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2020, 06:46:05 PM
After gaining a high majority of Bordesley Omnilink's? Don't remember them struggling before they had the Bordesley ones...
The ex-BY Scanias aren't just sitting around, they transferred along with the 8A/8C.
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2020, 06:21:07 PM
Perry Barr asked for an extra single deck as they were struggling to maintain their single deck services
So if they're struggling to maintain their single deck services why do they keep appearing on the 7 ?
Quote from: StourValley98 on November 06, 2020, 06:48:04 PM
The ex-BY Scanias aren't just sitting around, they transferred along with the 8A/8C.
Yes I know that, but you would expect there to be spares. I have to agree with Steve, the Omnilinks are creeping more onto the Decker routes now and it isn't fairing well when you take social distancing into consideration.
If they are 'struggling' why are the making more often appearances on the 33?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 06, 2020, 06:49:11 PM
So if they're struggling to maintain their single deck services why do they keep appearing on the 7 ?
Change buses, peak buses required back in garage for inspection. There's many reasons
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2020, 06:52:05 PM
Yes I know that, but you would expect there to be spares.
Yes the same percentage of spares whichever garage they run from, so no gain or loss
757 PN-WB
435 PB-WN
Quote from: BN on November 06, 2020, 07:54:25 PM
435 PB-WN
What route could we be seeing this streetlite on
Quote from: BH2004 on November 06, 2020, 08:36:08 PM
What route could we be seeing this streetlite on
61/62? Where the swb e200s normally haunt?
Quote from: BN on November 06, 2020, 07:54:25 PM
435 PB-WN
No spare Streetlite at PB for the 54 route then?
Does that mean its going to WB? Or can a Ominlink be used if one breaks down, or would they use a bus from another garage?
Quote from: 2206 on November 07, 2020, 12:39:39 PM
No spare Streetlite at PB for the 54 route then?
Does that mean its going to WB? Or can a Ominlink be used if one breaks down, or would they use a bus from another garage?
In cases before the (6)54 has had a B10L appear on it when Perry Barr had them. Pretty sure when a B6 was loaned it got round the route.
756 PN-WB
754 PN-WB
431 PB-WN (via paint)
4322 withdrawn-reserve (awaiting its new home)
How come the streetlites moved to Wolverhampton would of thought West brom & kept for 54
Quote from: Solo1 on November 21, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
How come the streetlites moved to Wolverhampton would of thought West brom & kept for 54
Why send 3 spurious vehicles into a depot that would inevitably hold a majority of a another type? WN only need 3 swb vehicles.
751 is now at PS on 14A today
433 PB-WN
Quote from: BN on November 25, 2020, 07:24:38 PM
433 PB-WN
I've been watching that tonight, still parked on the drive at PB!
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
I've been watching that tonight, still parked on the drive at PB!
Should be moving in the next hour.
Just seen 4507 not in service in the afternoon quite a surprise to see these back at Acocks Green.
Quote from: bbs on November 26, 2020, 12:06:44 AM
Just seen 4507 not in service in the afternoon quite a surprise to see these back at Acocks Green.
Not remotely relevant but 4475-4516 will always be PB buses in my eyes, and 4517-4534 / 4635-4679 belonging to AG lol.
But yeah, 4507 is at AG. Has it still got it's LED display? I remember back in 2015 it received the latest Hanover USB interface thing, same as 2201-2250 & onwards.
yes i totally agree with you there i remember when new acocks green had a nice batch. 4507 does still have LED blinds saw it on 72 a couple of weeks ago. from a distance i thought it was one of the 46** batch so i didnt put my hand out and didnt realise until it was too late :( :(
Quote from: MW on November 26, 2020, 02:29:28 AM
Not remotely relevant but 4475-4516 will always be PB buses in my eyes, and 4517-4534 / 4635-4679 belonging to AG lol.
But yeah, 4507 is at AG. Has it still got it's LED display? I remember back in 2015 it received the latest Hanover USB interface thing, same as 2201-2250 & onwards.
Yep the orange dest. Kinda fools you might think it's 4653 or 4637 but it's 4507
Also 45** move around frequently mostly PB and WB.
752; 753 WN-PN
If a street lite is off what will be in its place
Quote from: Solo1 on November 27, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
If a street lite is off what will be in its place
E200?? Any decker due to wheel base?
Quote from: Solo1 on November 27, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
If a street lite is off what will be in its place
So 3 E200s have been replaced by 3 StreetLites, so exactly the same as before
Quote from: Solo1 on November 27, 2020, 06:40:45 PM
If a street lite is off what will be in its place
You'll see next week as 435 is now VOR for MOT.
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
So 3 E200s have been replaced by 3 StreetLites, so exactly the same as before
I thought they used all 3 1 on 61& 2 on 62a/c. So all.3 would be used can they use 84* batch
Quote from: Solo1 on November 27, 2020, 10:05:55 PM
I thought they used all 3 1 on 61& 2 on 62a/c. So all.3 would be used can they use 84* batch
84* is on the 62/A
1806, 1807 AG-PB
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
1806, 1807 AG-PB
Two more single deckers, I make that 68, it's too many. PB do the (
estimated PVR) 8A/C (16), 28 (15), 66 (7), 71(7) and 96 (5). I make that 50, even if you include the 52 that would make no more than 57, even with spares that is far too many. I know operating a fleet with a large amount of single deckers isn't easy during this pandemic BUT some double decker routes with have overcrowding issues making social distancing very difficult. If (it's only if) the West Midlands moves into tier two from the 16th December this problem will get worse.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 30, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
Two more single deckers, I make that 68, it's too many. PB do the (estimated PVR) 8A/C (16), 28 (15), 66 (7), 71(7) and 96 (5). I make that 50, even if you include the 52 that would make no more than 57, even with spares that is far too many. I know operating a fleet with a large amount of single deckers isn't easy during this pandemic BUT some double decker routes with have overcrowding issues making social distancing very difficult. If (it's only if) the West Midlands moves into tier two from the 16th December this problem will get worse.
Yes, your being an expert without knowing the facts again. These two are there so that PB can have 6 Scanias at Graysons for Euro 6 conversion at a time not 4. AG Scanias are now all Euro 6 hence them being able to lose them as their programme has just finished
Thank you for the explanation
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 30, 2020, 08:57:30 AM
Thank you for the explanation
I have just done PB on my normal Monday morning fleet check and PB currently only have one Scania on a Double deck board (7024 on the 7 service), but have 2 doubles on a nominally single deck route (4799 & 4801 on the 52) which shows they have the correct number of each type.
1903, 1905 Luckett's to AG
Quote from: karl724223 on January 02, 2021, 08:25:09 PM
buses or coached ?
Minibuses.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/solenteer/14634457733/in/photolist-rdVVXE-nfUkgZ-ZDFpdx-g5W8mY-asx1td-2gac9NN-n2QQXx-oicqqM-kt6aGK-27BBPJR-24798EV-2dEgncB-ViossU-Yy6b89-n7kBw4-n7kBCr-2gXTfn2-oaCUmt
Wander what they're for?
1903 /5 luckets at ag as a guess for driver changes use
Quote from: 2206 on January 02, 2021, 08:33:34 PM
Minibuses.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/solenteer/14634457733/in/photolist-rdVVXE-nfUkgZ-ZDFpdx-g5W8mY-asx1td-2gac9NN-n2QQXx-oicqqM-kt6aGK-27BBPJR-24798EV-2dEgncB-ViossU-Yy6b89-n7kBw4-n7kBCr-2gXTfn2-oaCUmt
Wander what they're for?
The 801 and 802 YW circular services are withdrawn today, maybe these minibuses are for staff-only replacement shuttle service.
Quote from: Stu on January 03, 2021, 09:55:19 AM
The 801 and 802 YW circular services are withdrawn today, maybe these minibuses are for staff-only replacement shuttle service.
YW are getting one as well, but I have had no confirmation that one has arrived yet.
One of the AG ones will be in Bearwood Bus Station most of the day from tomorrow
Whats the luckets minibus that ag has doing at bearwood bus station tomorrow
Quote from: Solo1 on January 03, 2021, 11:06:03 AM
Whats the luckets minibus that ag has doing at bearwood bus station tomorrow
Parked there like I said, why the stupid questions
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2021, 11:31:48 AM
Parked there like I said, why the stupid questions
will it be used as crew bus for 82 drivers the minibus that isat bearwood tomorrow
Quote from: Solo1 on January 03, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
will it be used as crew bus for 82 drivers the minibus that isat bearwood tomorrow
I am sorry, but what NX are using vehicles for other than carrying passengers, are none of your business, you wouldn't ask any other industry what their assetts were used for would you?. I have told you where you will be able to see or photograph it when covid restrictions allow, why do you need to know anything else
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
1903, 1905 Luckett's to AG
I'm not familiar with bus leasing so it probably sounds stupid but will they be repainted into some sort of NX livery?
Quote from: bususer28 on January 03, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
I'm not familiar with bus leasing so it probably sounds stupid but will they be repainted into some sort of NX livery?
Doubtful. It is not known how long they will be up here for
Can we keep this thread on-topic please?
If anyone is wondering, a number of off-topic replies have been removed, including some made after I put up this request.
Is it true 2246 has returned from Xplore?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 04, 2021, 11:25:55 PM
Is it true 2246 has returned from Xplore?
Probably, have a look at the fleetlist on the main site. All above 2238 gone except 2246.
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 04, 2021, 11:25:55 PM
Is it true 2246 has returned from Xplore?
if it has where is it going to be based at then.
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 04, 2021, 11:25:55 PM
Is it true 2246 has returned from Xplore?
No, still parked in Dundee, but not part of the desl
4323; 4324 PN-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on February 09, 2021, 07:33:19 PM
4323; 4324 PN-withdrawn
Another 20 to follow this month!
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
Another 20 to follow this month!
PVS better hurry up with collections then.
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
Another 20 to follow this month!
Seems like there will be no more 43** by the end of 2021.
Quote from: bbs on February 09, 2021, 08:41:13 PM
Seems like there will be no more 43** by the end of 2021.
There will be very few 19 year old buses in service with any operator at the end of the year
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2021, 08:50:06 PM
There will be very few 19 year old buses in service with any operator at the end of the year
Is this the last year for the B7TL ALX400s then, too?
4359 & 4421 also now withdrawn
Will.any 42** be withdrawn in this 20 to be withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2021, 11:28:19 AM
4359 & 4421 also now withdrawn
First one in that CV B7TL batch 4415-24. I took a picture of 4421 on Saturday (6th) - my last one of it!
I saw 4421 in Birmingham of all places back in 2006/7 on rail replacement work.
4325 PN-withdrawn
4363 PN-withdrawn
4383, 4384, 4385 & 4388 all withdrawn from YW
Quote from: Tony on February 21, 2021, 01:07:12 PM
4383, 4384, 4385 & 4388 all withdrawn from YW
Will 6104 and 6108 stay at West Bromwich as a transfer or are they moving to PN soon?
Quote from: bbs on February 21, 2021, 01:27:56 PM
Will 6104 and 6108 stay at West Bromwich as a transfer or are they moving to PN soon?
As I say regularly I do not do future transfers
Quote from: Tony on February 21, 2021, 01:39:32 PM
As I say regularly I do not do future transfers
Right...
4237, 4273, 4306, 4323, 4324. 4325, 4344, 4359, 4363, 4367, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4388, 4421 & 4422 all now retired this month
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
4237, 4273, 4306, 4323, 4324. 4325, 4344, 4359, 4363, 4367, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4388, 4421 & 4422 all now retired this month
Full list of 20 February withdrawals
4237, 4273
4306, 4323, 4324, 4325, 4342, 4344, 4346, 4351, 4358, 4359, 4363, 4367, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4388
4421, 4422.
The last bus with Connection bars, 4423 was originally on the list, but that has had a reprieve and is currently getting a new MoT.
Shame Bauer Media didn't get their hands on 4346, as it was advertising their Greatest Hits Radio!
Quote from: Westy on March 01, 2021, 07:22:17 PM
Shame Bauer Media didn't get their hands on 4346, as it was advertising their Greatest Hits Radio!
Which expired 18 months ago along with several other buses. It has several pieces missing and loads peeling off somehow I wouldn't think they would be slightly interested as it would be much cheaper to buy another vinyl wrap to put on a decent bus
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2021, 05:39:14 PM
Full list of 20 February withdrawals
4237, 4273
4306, 4323, 4324, 4325, 4342, 4344, 4346, 4351, 4358, 4359, 4363, 4367, 4383, 4384, 4385, 4388
4421, 4422.
The last bus with Connection bars, 4423 was originally on the list, but that has had a reprieve and is currently getting a new MoT.
Forgive me for speculating here, but am I right in thinking that owing to the reduced PVR at present due to the current lockdown, these 20 vehicles have been withdrawn in advance of the impending arrival of the 20 hydrogen vehicles? I believe I read elsewhere before that these hydrogen buses were due to be in service around April.
Quote from: Stu on March 01, 2021, 08:31:43 PM
Forgive me for speculating here, but am I right in thinking that owing to the reduced PVR at present due to the current lockdown, these 20 vehicles have been withdrawn in advance of the impending arrival of the 20 hydrogen vehicles? I believe I read elsewhere before that these hydrogen buses were due to be in service around April.
No, these are the withdrawals due to the arrival of the 29 electrics last year
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2021, 08:33:06 PM
No, these are the withdrawals due to the arrival of the 29 electrics last year
Presumably frees up sufficient revenue equipment though?
Should we expect more withdrawals as not only are there 9 more new electric vehicles than withdrawals but I don't recall that many withdrawals when the last batch of Platinums before the electrics arrived?
Quote from: don on March 01, 2021, 09:49:51 PM
Presumably frees up sufficient revenue equipment though?
Should we expect more withdrawals as not only are there 9 more new electric vehicles than withdrawals but I don't recall that many withdrawals when the last batch of Platinums before the electrics arrived?
That will depend on service levels at the end of lockdown which are still not known
Looks like the rumour I heard was true, and 3301-3305 are transferring to Walsall. 3302's page now lists it as 'transferred to Walsall garage 3/21'.
Quote from: DJ on March 03, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Looks like the rumour I heard was true, and 3301-3305 are transferring to Walsall. 3302's page now lists it as 'transferred to Walsall garage 3/21'.
I thought those were meant to go AG and WB
Quote from: DJ on March 03, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Looks like the rumour I heard was true, and 3301-3305 are transferring to Walsall. 3302's page now lists it as 'transferred to Walsall garage 3/21'.
I wish these were going to WN to replace some 43** tridents
Quote from: bbs on March 03, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
I thought those were meant to go AG and WB
What are you on about?
I have never even heard that completely incorrect rumour, and why would you split a batch of 5 buses between two garages?
Quote from: Tony on March 03, 2021, 11:21:09 AM
What are you on about?
I have never even heard that completely incorrect rumour, and why would you split a batch of 5 buses between two garages?
There were rumours that was going to happen.
Quote from: bbs on March 03, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
I thought those were meant to go AG and WB
5 buses between WB and AG... These are the diesel versions from 2016. Keeping them together is better on maintenance costs etc.
Quote from: bbs on March 03, 2021, 11:32:44 AM
There were rumours that was going to happen.
Where, apart from you?
I here most rumours, just ignore most, but never a sniff of this one.
Tony
In the February fleet changes what does
"In addition
19, 33, 39 have all been sold in the last few months"
mean?
Quote from: busfan2847 on March 03, 2021, 04:18:45 PM
Tony
In the February fleet changes what does
"In addition
19, 33, 39 have all been sold in the last few months"
mean?
Just that. They gave been sold some time in the last four months, but who to and exactly when I don't know
Quote from: bbs on March 03, 2021, 11:32:44 AM
There were rumours that was going to happen.
I would suggest that you take no notice of whoever is providing these 'rumours' to you.
Quote from: DJ on March 03, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Looks like the rumour I heard was true, and 3301-3305 are transferring to Walsall. 3302's page now lists it as 'transferred to Walsall garage 3/21'.
Your source is clearly a bit more reliable! ;D
I wonder if this means that the new hydrogen buses will be going to Walsall then? Seems a sensible move to keep all the Wrightbus vehicles together in one place, I guess that apart from the engine and drivetrain, these might share some similar components.
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2021, 05:55:33 PM
I would suggest that you take no notice of whoever is providing these 'rumours' to you.
Your source is clearly a bit more reliable! ;D
I wonder if this means that the new hydrogen buses will be going to Walsall then? Seems a sensible move to keep all the Wrightbus vehicles together in one place, I guess that apart from the engine and drivetrain, these might share some similar components.
It 'is likely' the first 20 Hydrogens will be allocated to Walsall
4317, 4318 WN-WA
I thought they was going to refuel them at tyseley
Quote from: Solo1 on March 03, 2021, 07:02:30 PM
I thought they was going to refuel them at tyseley
As far as I'm aware, no hydrogen fuelling station has ever been built there. And I'm sure plans change over the years it's been since originally mentioned.
Quote from: Solo1 on March 03, 2021, 07:02:30 PM
I thought they was going to refuel them at tyseley
Quote from: Gareth on March 03, 2021, 07:19:53 PM
As far as I'm aware, no hydrogen fuelling station has ever been built there. And I'm sure plans change over the years it's been since originally mentioned.
See: https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/news/article/727/hydrogen_buses_coming_to_birmingham_next_spring
QuoteThe council have also collaborated with ITM, who will be producing and dispensing the hydrogen fuel from the new re-fuelling hub at Tyseley Energy Park.
I believe its located just off Small Heath Highway:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4614593,-1.8423102,351m/data=!3m1!1e3
Plans have obviously changed if they are 'likely' to be allocated to WA
Quote from: Gareth on March 03, 2021, 07:28:17 PM
Plans have obviously changed if they are 'likely' to be allocated to WA
Unless that press release was bogus, which stated that Birmingham City Council were purchasing the vehicles, it is still feasible that they could be allocated to WA for use on routes that go into Birmingham, lets say the 51 and X51. Tyseley Energy Park isn't that far from the city centre for vehicles to run 'dead' and back for refuelling.
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
Unless that press release was bogus, which stated that Birmingham City Council were purchasing the vehicles, it is still feasible that they could be allocated to WA for use on routes that go into Birmingham, lets say the 51 and X51. Tyseley Energy Park isn't that far from the city centre for vehicles to run 'dead' and back for refuelling.
They are likely to run on the sprint route as mentioned in the last press release which is Walsall to Solihull via the 51/X2 routes
Quote from: Tony on March 03, 2021, 07:54:49 PM
They are likely to run on the sprint route as mentioned in the last press release which is Walsall to Solihull via the 51/X2 routes
That is true, but that is not due to start until next year though? So these hydrogen buses will presumably have to be utilised 'elsewhere' in the meantime.
Unless a 'forerunner' to the Sprint route is going to be launched 'beforehand'?
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2021, 08:03:47 PM
That is true, but that is not due to start until next year though? So these hydrogen buses will presumably have to be utilised 'elsewhere' in the meantime.
Unless a 'forerunner' to the Sprint route is going to be launched 'beforehand'?
Surely the likely outcome will be they are used on the current X51 for a year until the Sprint route starts. Maybe any extras also on the normal 51 too. That way the current platinums could be redesignsted onto other routes to upgrade them too and see off more Tridents.
Quote from: j789 on March 03, 2021, 09:43:07 PM
Surely the likely outcome will be they are used on the current X51 for a year until the Sprint route starts.
Possibly X51/997 I would think, as think it interworks.
The main site says there's currently 18 branded (6723 - 6740), so probably wouldn't be many spares for the normal 51?
Quote from: DJ on March 03, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
Looks like the rumour I heard was true, and 3301-3305 are transferring to Walsall. 3302's page now lists it as 'transferred to Walsall garage 3/21'.
Wonder what they will replace......
Quote from: 2206 on March 03, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
Possibly X51/997 I would think, as think it interworks.
The main site says there's currently 18 branded (6723 - 6740), so probably wouldn't be many spares for the normal 51?
If the Hydrogens end up going on the 51/X51, the current X51/997 branded buses and the 51 branded buses could be debranded, then 997 and X51 could stop interworking. 997 could be rebranded on the platinums and the 51/X51 could be branded together on the hydrogens. The current 51 branded buses could be debranded and transfered to WN to replace the current 43** and 44**/45** Tridents
Quote from: BH2004 on March 03, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
51/X51 could be branded together on the hydrogens.
Would they brand them for the X51 only to debrand them possibly less than a year later when they move onto the sprint route? I would be surprised. I would have though they'd remain unbranded for a route they are only being used on in the short term, like when the 75XX were new for the YW 6?
Quote from: markcf83 on March 03, 2021, 10:04:25 PM
Wonder what they will replace......
The most I could see happening is some single decks being moved elsewhere, as Walsall have been short on deckers for a long time from what I've been told.
Is it a coincidence that the only Wrightbus double deckers in the fleet, 3301 - 5, are being allocated to a garage that may have the Wrightbus double deckers H1001-20? (B7TLs are Wright bodied Volvos of course.)
4331, 4332, 4333 PN-WA
4760, 6104, 6108 WB-PN
3302 PN-WA
4360 & 3305 PN-WA
2136, 2137 WN-PN
4327 PN-WN
4507 AG-WB
4505, 4506 Perry Barr to West Bromwich
819, 4752 West Bromwich to Pensnett
Quote from: Tony on April 02, 2021, 12:47:55 PM
4505, 4506 Perry Barr to West Bromwich
819, 4752 West Bromwich to Pensnett
I hope Perry Barr doesn't get any more single deckers in return !
Unless the intention is to increase the 28
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 02, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
I hope Perry Barr doesn't get any more single deckers in return !
Unless the intention is to increase the 28
No I don't either, hopefully 1952 returns soon to WB. They've been creeping onto the 33 this week which I doubt is great even more so with social distancing if taken into account, as well as other Decker routes.
Is AG getting anything in return?
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 05, 2021, 05:01:35 PM
7522 is on the coventry road tracking as X21 but if you look at is journeys they say X2- but the routes have been either X1 or X2 all day
7522 is a BC bus and X21, X1 and X2 are all BC routes, so I'm not sure where the transfer is?
Quote from: Gareth on April 05, 2021, 05:24:58 PM
7522 is a BC bus and X21, X1 and X2 are all BC routes, so I'm not sure where the transfer is?
oh sorry i thought this was in the bus time section wasn't looking
820 WB-PN
837; 839 CV-WN
2138; 2140 WN-PN
Quote from: BN on April 06, 2021, 05:31:52 PM
820 WB-PN
837; 839 CV-WN
2138; 2140 WN-PN
That's the two red-fronted E200's leaving Cov then.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 06, 2021, 07:54:13 PM
That's the two red-fronted E200's leaving Cov then.
gutted 838 got painted in the new colours, messed the numbers up now there's 1 missing
Quote from: BN on April 06, 2021, 08:14:22 PM
gutted 838 got painted in the new colours, messed the numbers up now there's 1 missing
If it doesn't get converted to electric it will have to go somewhere soon.
Quote from: BN on April 06, 2021, 05:31:52 PM
820 WB-PN
837; 839 CV-WN
2138; 2140 WN-PN
is AG getting anything?
2135 WA-PN
Quote from: BN on April 07, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
2135 WA-PN
Interesting that PN is receiving more b7s is a route being converted to single deck operate or Is a route moving to PN?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on April 07, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
Interesting that PN is receiving more b7s is a route being converted to single deck operate or Is a route moving to PN?
2135 moving may be related to WA gaining PN's Streetdecks ?
4525: AG to WB.
Can't see it mentioned but is tracking on the 80A.
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
4525: AG to WB.
Can't see it mentioned but is tracking on the 80A.
seems like AG getting 4 buses back
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 12:05:38 AM
seems like AG getting 4 buses back
Only 3 Geminis have moved so far unless more are going, third comment you've said about AG how about just being patient and see if anything transfers over instead of constantly asking when one bus moves...
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 12:05:38 AM
seems like AG getting 4 buses back
What 4 buses are you referring to?
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2021, 06:08:26 AM
What 4 buses are you referring to?
oh wait I meant 3 lol. Sorry I miscounted
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 11:06:05 AM
oh wait I meant 3 lol. Sorry I miscounted
Which 3 buses are AG getting back?
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2021, 12:10:14 PM
Which 3 buses are AG getting back?
I don't know? 4507, 4525 and 4526 have went. Normally those buses were usually 1s or 4s. Also 4527 still has that Sandwell and Dudley orange sticker on the right window
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 12:22:58 PM
I don't know? 4507, 4525 and 4526 have went. Normally those buses were usually 1s or 4s. Also 4527 still has that Sandwell and Dudley orange sticker on the right window
Those buses were used on majority of AG's decker routes actually, 4527 had those stickers from its last spell at WB and never had them removed, wait and see as we don't know any future transfers...
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 12:22:58 PM
I don't know? 4507, 4525 and 4526 have went. Normally those buses were usually 1s or 4s.
I believe unless they have received a "second conversion" to Euro 6 they would incur a GBP 50 daily charge if they are used on the 4 in a couple of months time.
4443 BC-WN
Quote from: bbs on April 09, 2021, 12:22:58 PM
I don't know? 4507, 4525 and 4526 have went. Normally those buses were usually 1s or 4s. Also 4527 still has that Sandwell and Dudley orange sticker on the right window
4505 & 4506 also went from PB to WB. Altogether, WB now have 8 ZF Geminis for the Birmingham services
2139 WN-PN
4442 BC to WN
Quote from: Jack on April 09, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
Those buses were used on majority of AG's decker routes actually, 4527 had those stickers from its last spell at WB and never had them removed, wait and see as we don't know any future transfers...
4527 has went to WB I guess we all kinda expected that
Quote from: bbs on April 20, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
4527 has went to WB I guess we all kinda expected that
Physically it hasn't because its tracking on the 11A? Why don't you just wait for Tony to post?
1952 has finally gone back to WB, saw it on the 5 yesterday.
Quote from: bbs on April 20, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
4527 has went to WB I guess we all kinda expected that
What has made you post that?
It hasn't, and there's no plans for it to go
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2021, 05:13:47 PM
What has made you post that?
It hasn't, and there's no plans for it to go
On the main site fleet changes it says that 4527 has gone to WB
Quote from: SN65 OMC on April 20, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
On the main site fleet changes it says that 4527 has gone to WB
ahh
Thank you, I am correcting the typo now
regards
4441 BC-WN
2141 WN-PN
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4931 WN-BC
Happened or happening today
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4931 WN-BC
Happened or happening today
All done, 4 more tomorrow.
Are BC getting all of WN's 49xx enviros then?
Just been told 4604 has transferred from WA to BC, with 4459 going the other way to WA.
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2021, 12:46:06 PM
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4931 WN-BC
Happened or happening today
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 28, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
Are BC getting all of WN's 49xx enviros then?
I'm guessing this has something to do with the Clean Air Zone (CAZ) that starts on 1st June?
Yes, reduce payments to a minimum A few non-compliant vehicles will still enter the CAZ, 4619/33/34 for instance who's exhaust kits haven't arrived from Germany yet
4456 BC to WN seen in Dudley on the 1
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 28, 2021, 04:33:04 PM
4456 BC to WN seen in Dudley on the 1
4455 and 4456 seem to be in service on the 1, have they been defrauded from the 97
4594 WA-BC. Currently on BC24.
Quote from: SN65 OMC on May 28, 2021, 04:38:51 PM
4455 and 4456 seem to be in service on the 1, have they been defrauded from the 97
No in 97 branding still Tony said it will be next week they will be debranded
4455 is currently parked on Piper's Row outside the bus station, if anyone is after it and is near Wolves.
4448; 4455; 4456 BC-WN
4930; 4932; 4933; 4934 WN-BC
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 28, 2021, 05:11:11 PM
No in 97 branding still Tony said it will be next week they will be debranded
How many 97 ones are going?
4459 4460 both at WA
Transfers so far happened this month
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447, 4448, 4455, 4456, 4457, 4458 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4930, 4931, 4932, 4933, 4934, 4935, 4936 WN-BC
6113, 6114 PN-PB
4594, 4595, 4597, 4599, 4600, 4602, 4604, 4606 WA-BC
4459, 4460, 4461, 4463, 4570, 4573, 4574, 4577 BC-WA
A few more will happen today
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
Transfers so far happened this month
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447, 4448, 4455, 4456, 4457, 4458 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4930, 4931, 4932, 4933, 4934, 4935, 4936 WN-BC
6113, 6114 PN-PB
4594, 4595, 4597, 4599, 4600, 4602, 4604, 4606 WA-BC
4459, 4460, 4461, 4463, 4570, 4573, 4574, 4577 BC-WA
A few more will happen today
Finally Perry Barr get the Crimson e400mmc
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
Transfers so far happened this month
4444, 4445, 4446, 4447, 4448, 4455, 4456, 4457, 4458 BC-WN
4927, 4928, 4929, 4930, 4931, 4932, 4933, 4934, 4935, 4936 WN-BC
6113, 6114 PN-PB
4594, 4595, 4597, 4599, 4600, 4602, 4604, 4606 WA-BC
4459, 4460, 4461, 4463, 4570, 4573, 4574, 4577 BC-WA
A few more will happen today
Are all the ex WA Tridents moved to BC emission zone compliant? Quite an increase in old NX liveried buses at BC and reduction at WA!!
Quote from: don on May 31, 2021, 01:27:51 PM
Are all the ex WA Tridents moved to BC emission zone compliant? Quite an increase in old NX liveried buses at BC and reduction at WA!!
That's the idea, Tony has already explained this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg291278#msg291278
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2021, 01:58:46 PM
That's the idea, Tony has already explained this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg291278#msg291278
Yes I'm aware of that - this is why I asked the question as I thought generally the crimson ones are compliant and the non crimson ones not (with exception like the YW 45xx). Presumably some have not been updated whereas the the WA ones have been?
Quote from: don on May 31, 2021, 02:26:32 PM
Yes I'm aware of that - this is why I asked the question as I thought generally the crimson ones are compliant and the non crimson ones not (with exception like the YW 45xx). Presumably some have not been updated whereas the the WA ones have been?
None of YW's are compliant. It is basically all those now at BC along with 4125 & 4535
There's still some to swap, so that isn't 100% accurate yet
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 02:35:21 PM
None of YW's are compliant. It is basically all those now at BC along with 4125 & 4535
There's still some to swap, so that isn't 100% accurate yet
Isn't 4601 also Euro 6?
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 02:35:21 PM
None of YW's are compliant. It is basically all those now at BC along with 4125 & 4535
There's still some to swap, so that isn't 100% accurate yet
So that means there'll be no more Tridents on the 2 and 3 from tomorrow?
Quote from: Stu on May 31, 2021, 06:25:47 PM
So that means there'll be no more Tridents on the 2 and 3 from tomorrow?
Only in an emergency when no other vehicle is available. The company have set up a system for paying for non compliant vehicles, but want to keep them to a minimum
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 06:27:15 PM
Only in an emergency when no other vehicle is available. The company have set up a system for paying for non compliant vehicles, but want to keep them to a minimum
Are the B7TL ALX400 and Crimson Gemini at AG & WB compliant for the 4/4A & 80A?
Quote from: 2206 on May 31, 2021, 07:10:04 PM
Are the B7TL ALX400 and Crimson Gemini at AG & WB compliant for the 4/4A & 80A?
No Volvos at AG are. WB have 11 compliant Gemini
Will any ALX 400 B7TL be allowed in the city. I've seen quite a few omnilinks on 13A and they do seem to struggle with loadings
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 31, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
Will any ALX 400 B7TL be allowed in the city. I've seen quite a few omnilinks on 13A and they do seem to struggle with loadings
I've just answered that question right above you asking!
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2021, 08:29:04 PM
I've just answered that question right above you asking!
All PB Gemini's are compliant aren't they? Or (at a guess) the Crimson MMC's may be replacing some?
New Charges apply tommorow. A big problem to garages like AG who dont have enough euro 6 buses.
Compliance can be checked on the government website using the vehicle registration number https://www.gov.uk/clean-air-zones
AG can always use 11 branded E400MMCs on city routes. Maybe some shortages will be catered for by transfers when the hydrogen buses arrive at Walsall
Quote from: cardew on May 31, 2021, 09:15:39 PM
Compliance can be checked on the government website using the vehicle registration number https://www.gov.uk/clean-air-zones
That link seems to be saying the last few of the PB batch 4498 - 4504 aren't compliant and have a £50 charge.
Quote from: cardew on May 31, 2021, 09:15:39 PM
Maybe some shortages will be catered for by transfers when the hydrogen buses arrive at Walsall
And possibly more new buses/cascades if there are still potentially 200 coming this year?
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2021, 10:29:26 AM
Because it is not worth making the entire fleet 'Euro 6' as there is a possibility of around 200 new buses in 2021
Quote from: 2206 on May 31, 2021, 09:21:31 PM
That link seems to be saying the last few of the PB batch 4498 - 4504 aren't compliant and have a £50 charge.And possibly more new buses/cascades if there are still potentially 200 coming this year?
All of AG's geminis arent compliant either and thats a problem for the 4 then. Also ALX400 too
AG does have enough compliant vehicles. They just wear Outer Circle branding!
I expect to see Geminis & ALX400s return properly to the Outer Circle from tomorrow then.
Quote from: MW on May 31, 2021, 09:43:57 PM
AG does have enough compliant vehicles. They just wear Outer Circle branding!
I expect to see Geminis & ALX400s return properly to the Outer Circle from tomorrow then.
Oh yeah. Expect a lot of outer circle brandeds and 67** on the 4 a lot then. Also omnilinks are on the 4 quite a lot too.Also thats good for the 5 too because the 5 can have E400MMC and platinums on the 4 sometimes.
Quote from: bbs on May 31, 2021, 09:48:22 PM
Oh yeah. Expect a lot of outer circle brandeds and 67** on the 4 a lot then. Also omnilinks are on the 4 quite a lot too.
I don't think they had enough MMC for the 11 as it is anyway as the ALX400 and Gemini are always on there anyway, including 4295 & 4301.
Maybe the 11 could get new buses and then the 61XX can move onto the 4/4A or other City routes at other garages full time as part of the 200 new buses if thats still happening?
Quote from: bbs on May 31, 2021, 09:48:22 PM
Oh yeah. Expect a lot of outer circle brandeds and 67** on the 4 a lot then. Also omnilinks are on the 4 quite a lot too.
The 67** are pretty much kept to the 5, theres no other compliant Deckers apart from the Circle Branded 61** that are allowed on the 5, they'll most likely use any branded 61** on the 4/4A that will make up for the B7TL's coming off, unless they give the 5 the single deckers and keep the 67** on other routes but I highly doubt that.
When AG had 6111-6114, then 6101-6108/10 there was enough for the 11 but they seemed to be kept to the other AG services as well as the 11.
I have to say its a shame to no longer see B7TL's on the 4/4A anymore, they've pretty much been usual on it since they first came to AG.
Quote from: Jack on May 31, 2021, 09:52:54 PM
The 67** are pretty much kept to the 5, theres no other compliant Deckers apart from the Circle Branded 61** that are allowed on the 5, they'll most likely use any branded 61** on the 4/4A that will make up for the B7TL's coming off, unless they give the 5 the single deckers and keep the 67** on other routes but I highly doubt that.
When AG had 6111-6114, then 6101-6108/10 there was enough for the 11 but they seemed to be kept to the other AG services as well as the 11.
I have to say its a shame to no longer see B7TL's on the 4/4A anymore, they've pretty much been usual on it since they first came to AG.
I completely agree with you.it will be a real shame not seeing geminis on the 4 anymore.ill deeply miss them on the 4 but its for the better.But i also agree with my friend because branded buses are for specific routes. if they arent going o their allocated routes then whats the point in branding them.
Quote from: bbs on May 31, 2021, 10:02:44 PM
I completely agree with you.it will be a real shame not seeing geminis on the 4 anymore.ill deeply miss them on the 4 but its for the better.But i also agree with my friend because branded buses are for specific routes. if they arent going o their allocated routes then whats the point in branding them.
Lets be honest AG have never been great with the E200MMC's since they was new, I think theres too many branded for the 4/4A, considering they are never always on there and off trotting about on other routes. It was worse when they had the 71/72 branded as they would be going anywhere and they still seem to.
Quote from: Jack on May 31, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
Lets be honest AG have never been great with the E200MMC's since they was new, I think theres too many branded for the 4/4A, considering they are never always on there and off trotting about on other routes. It was worse when they had the 71/72 branded as they would be going anywhere and they still seem to.
Yeah i always see 4/4A brandeds on 58/31,32 & 17. Oh the 71/72 brandeds those were chaotic.Also seeing 2203 the other day didnt surprise me wither
Are there gonna be any transfers today?
Quote from: 2206 on May 31, 2021, 09:51:27 PM
I don't think they had enough MMC for the 11 as it is anyway as the ALX400 and Gemini are always on there anyway, including 4295 & 4301.
Maybe the 11 could get new buses and then the 61XX can move onto the 4/4A or other City routes at other garages full time as part of the 200 new buses if thats still happening?
They have started unbranding the 11 on 61**
First transfers in June are
4571 BC-WA
4603 WA-BC
I see 4503 and 4504 coming to Acocks Green on Warwick road.
The compliance charges for the clean air zone got delayed two weeks as apparently (according to the incessant reports on BBC Radio 2 today) not enough people were aware of it being a thing.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-clean-air-zone-drivers-20715266
Quote from: ellspurs on June 01, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
The compliance charges for the clean air zone got delayed two weeks as apparently (according to the incessant reports on BBC Radio 2 today) not enough people were aware of it being a thing.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-clean-air-zone-drivers-20715266
Its a bit ridiculous really, I don't drive, I don't live or work in the city centre and I hardly ever travel there now. Yet I've known about this CAZ for months.
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2021, 06:09:22 PM
Its a bit ridiculous really, I don't drive, I don't live or work in the city centre and I hardly ever travel there now. Yet I've known about this CAZ for months.
people will say anything to get it delayed, there's enough signs and cameras telling you advance about the clean, I've seen one of those scrolling things from as far back as Coleshill road
Quote from: Trident4590 on June 01, 2021, 06:43:21 PM
people will say anything to get it delayed, there's enough signs and cameras telling you advance about the clean, I've seen one of those scrolling things from as far back as Coleshill road
I think it is more got to do with the borderline. I read that ring road is in CAZ because of the reminder letters they were receiving even though it is not highlighted on the map.
Quote from: Sayeed on June 01, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
I think it is more got to do with the borderline. I read that ring road is in CAZ because of the reminder letters they were receiving even though it is not highlighted on the map.
The ring road has never been in the ring road. It has always been described as inside the ring road
As of up to today now added
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Stu on June 01, 2021, 06:09:22 PM
Its a bit ridiculous really, I don't drive, I don't live or work in the city centre and I hardly ever travel there now. Yet I've known about this CAZ for months.
The unofficial reason for the delay is a problem with one of the contractors, over a procurement contract - an official committee "call-in", according to other sources.
Three more now moved
2142 WN-PN (loan made permanent)
753 PN-WB (to allow WB minis to be painted)
4751 WB-PN
I wonder if PN will receive any more deckers, they've effectively lost 1 as things stand. On a couple of occasions I've seen B7RLEs on the 12/A, 13/A and 126 at capacity or near full
4475 & 4499 PB-AG
6147 AG-PB
4603 WA-BC
4462 BC-WA
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2021, 03:05:02 PM
6147 AG-PB
4603 WA-BC
4462 BC-WA
4603 is already at BC? I had that yesterday on a 14...
Presume its 4605?
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2021, 03:05:02 PM
6147 AG-PB
presume all MMCs that are getting debranded are moving over to PB
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 05, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
presume all MMCs that are getting debranded are moving over to PB
All the MMCs transferred to PB (6113-4, 6147-8) aren't branded
Quote from: Jack on June 04, 2021, 03:11:54 PM
4603 is already at BC? I had that yesterday on a 14...
Presume its 4605?
Yes, 4605.
Just 4572 & 4576 left to go to WA
and 4596 & 4607 left to go to BC
Are all the low emission moves complete or are a few more left to occur?
We still have some 97 Tridents at BC (4464 - 74) are these compliant for the low emissions zone or will these transfer out too?
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 06, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
We still have some 97 Tridents at BC (4464 - 74) are these compliant for the low emissions zone or will these transfer out too?
Looking on gov.uk, it's just 4464 & 4465 that aren't complaint. 4465 hasn't used since mid April, according to bustimes
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 06, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
Looking on gov.uk, it's just 4464 & 4465 that aren't complaint. 4465 hasn't used since mid April, according to bustimes
For operational reasons 4464/5 will be staying at BC for the time being
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
For operational reasons 4464/5 will be staying at BC for the time being
4449 is still at BC, will this one be moving to in due course?
Quote from: Jack on June 06, 2021, 04:27:08 PM
4449 is still at BC, will this one be moving to in due course?
No, it is Euro 6
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
For operational reasons 4464/5 will be staying at BC for the time being
Presumably they're 'trapped' in BC because if they emerge they'll be caught because theyr'e not trapped. ;)
Quote from: Stevo on June 08, 2021, 06:30:07 PM
Presumably they're 'trapped' in BC because if they emerge they'll be caught because theyr'e not trapped. ;)
Cameras only get you coming in!
They are alright on the BC staff bus, never go past a camera!
At the moment no vehicles else where they can be swapped with
4464 4465 are welcome at WA
BC can have 4869 4870
Quote from: PB2938 on June 08, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
4464 4465 are welcome at WA
BC can have 4869 4870
They can't, Walsall are already struggling in the afternoon peak for Euro 6 doubles
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2021, 06:57:27 PM
They can't, Walsall are already struggling in the afternoon peak for Euro 6 doubles
2 E400 from Coventry? Or do Coventry need Euro6 buses?
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2021, 06:57:27 PM
They can't, Walsall are already struggling in the afternoon peak for Euro 6 doubles
Trap 4601?
Will be tighter once 4596/4607 leave as they are pretty much being used on the peak boards I've noticed...
Quote from: Jack on June 08, 2021, 08:23:20 PM
Trap 4601?
No more traps are being bought when there's likely to be 220 new buses in the next 12 months. It's cheaper to pay the odd incursion
If 4601 wasn't painted in Walsall colours, presumably that would've gone as well, if there had been a trap available!
Slightly off topic, but by the time 4125 had been painted into Twm colours, had all the remaining 41xx 's gone from the fleet, because I'm surprised a 46xx got painted into Walsall colours (ditto the Wolves 45xx vehicle!), because surely 4125 will be withdrawn from day to day service, to go full time into the heritage fleet long before the equivalent 45xx & 46xx vehicles?
Just wondering the reasoning.
Quote from: Westy on June 08, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
If 4601 wasn't painted in Walsall colours, presumably that would've gone as well, if there had been a trap available!
Slightly off topic, but by the time 4125 had been painted into Twm colours, had all the remaining 41xx 's gone from the fleet, because I'm surprised a 46xx got painted into Walsall colours (ditto the Wolves 45xx vehicle!), because surely 4125 will be withdrawn from day to day service, to go full time into the heritage fleet long before the equivalent 45xx & 46xx vehicles?
Just wondering the reasoning.
were all wondering what the hell your on about
Quote from: Westy on June 08, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
If 4601 wasn't painted in Walsall colours, presumably that would've gone as well, if there had been a trap available!
Slightly off topic, but by the time 4125 had been painted into Twm colours, had all the remaining 41xx 's gone from the fleet, because I'm surprised a 46xx got painted into Walsall colours (ditto the Wolves 45xx vehicle!), because surely 4125 will be withdrawn from day to day service, to go full time into the heritage fleet long before the equivalent 45xx & 46xx vehicles?
Just wondering the reasoning.
4148, 4176, 4177 and 4185 were still in service when 4125 was done, they may have been others too, but those lasted until August 2019 at BC.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 09, 2021, 12:46:28 AM
were all wondering what the hell your on about
Well someone took the time to read the post properly unlike you!
Quote from: DJ on June 09, 2021, 01:09:47 AM
4148, 4176, 4177 and 4185 were still in service when 4125 was done, they may have been others too, but those lasted until August 2019 at BC.
Thank you.
Quote from: Westy on June 09, 2021, 07:17:38 AM
Well someone took the time to read the post properly unlike you!
That bit was the easy bit to understand. I have no idea what you are on about with the rest of the post
Quote from: Westy on June 08, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
If 4601 wasn't painted in Walsall colours, presumably that would've gone as well, if there had been a trap available!
Slightly off topic, but by the time 4125 had been painted into Twm colours, had all the remaining 41xx 's gone from the fleet, because I'm surprised a 46xx got painted into Walsall colours (ditto the Wolves 45xx vehicle!), because surely 4125 will be withdrawn from day to day service, to go full time into the heritage fleet long before the equivalent 45xx & 46xx vehicles?
Just wondering the reasoning.
As I remember 4601 was badly damaged and repaired using parts off deroofed 4391 so the chance was taken to do it while it was in the works. I expect 4535 was done being the first of the batch. Just my reasoning.
Quote from: filbus1 on June 09, 2021, 08:24:39 AM
As I remember 4601 was badly damaged and repaired using parts off deroofed 4391 so the chance was taken to do it while it was in the works. I expect 4535 was done being the first of the batch. Just my reasoning.
4535 was selected as it is Wolverhampton's tachograph bus and needed a tidy up
Quote from: Westy on June 08, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
If 4601 wasn't painted in Walsall colours, presumably that would've gone as well, if there had been a trap available!
Slightly off topic, but by the time 4125 had been painted into Twm colours, had all the remaining 41xx 's gone from the fleet, because I'm surprised a 46xx got painted into Walsall colours (ditto the Wolves 45xx vehicle!), because surely 4125 will be withdrawn from day to day service, to go full time into the heritage fleet long before the equivalent 45xx & 46xx vehicles?
Just wondering the reasoning.
Yeah 4125 is going to be withdrawn some day.
Quote from: bbs on June 10, 2021, 05:26:49 PM
Yeah 4125 is going to be withdrawn some day.
Why do you say that?
Quote from: bbs on June 10, 2021, 05:26:49 PM
Yeah 4125 is going to be withdrawn some day.
I'm sure it'll be put in some sort of museum or preserved, although I don't see that happening in the near future.
Quote from: mesub on June 10, 2021, 06:35:18 PM
I'm sure it'll be put in some sort of museum or preserved, although I don't see that happening in the near future.
3225 has never been withdrawn and that is now 68 years old
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2021, 06:36:52 PM
3225 has never been withdrawn and that is now 68 years old
It will be withdrawn from normal service won't it?
When was the last time 3225 operated a normal service (not special or private hire services)?
Quote from: 2206 on June 10, 2021, 06:56:30 PM
It will be withdrawn from normal service won't it?
When was the last time 3225 operated a normal service (not special or private hire services)?
Yes but 3225 isn't compliant for normal service. 4125 is as compliant as the newest diesel Platinum in the fleet, so until Diesel engines are banned*, 4125 will theoretically survive.
*and that can be stretched if one day it was converted t Electric. Unlikely but possible.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2021, 07:35:10 PM
Yes but 3225 isn't compliant for normal service. 4125 is as compliant as the newest diesel Platinum in the fleet, so until Diesel engines are banned*, 4125 will theoretically survive.
*and that can be stretched if one day it was converted t Electric. Unlikely but possible.
That makes sense, and presumably the open door at the back might have something to do with why it wouldn't be suitable for use as well.
Though if NX want a zero emission fleet by 2030, 4125 might be taken out of normal service by then maybe.
Quote from: 2206 on June 10, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
That makes sense, and presumably the open door at the back might have something to do with why it wouldn't be suitable for use as well.
Though if NX want a zero emission fleet by 2030, 4125 might be taken out of normal service by then maybe.
Preserved bus soon maybe
Historic vehicles like my 1930 Standard Teignmouth saloon are allowed into the CAZ. Does this not apply to buses over 40 years old too?
Quote from: Stevo on June 12, 2021, 08:36:17 AM
Historic vehicles like my 1930 Standard Teignmouth saloon are allowed into the CAZ. Does this not apply to buses over 40 years old too?
Not if used commercially
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2021, 09:38:07 AM
Not if used commercially
I take it that'll mean none of the heritage fleet will return to the city centre then?
I know Wythall have switched to running their stuff non-commercially now, so that they'll be able to continue running their event day service.
Quote from: DJ on June 12, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
I take it that'll mean none of the heritage fleet will return to the city centre then?
I know Wythall have switched to running their stuff non-commercially now, so that they'll be able to continue running their event day service.
YW's 4722 & PB Scania omnicity can go city centre
Quote from: bbs on June 12, 2021, 03:02:40 PM
YW's 4722 & PB Scania omnicity can go city centre
4535, 4722, 4780 & 2102 are part of the normal service fleet, not heritage fleet?
I think they mean 2957, 3225, etc.
Everything can go into the city, just some vehicles have to pay. 4125 is Euro6 so doesn't have to pay. Any heritage vehicle not used commercially doesn't have to pay either. If you check TOB997H on the checker you will see it is exempt
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2021, 03:43:08 PM
Everything can go into the city, just some vehicles have to pay. 4125 is Euro6 so doesn't have to pay. Any heritage vehicle not used commercially doesn't have to pay either. If you check TOB997H on the checker you will see it is exempt
Can't anything be used until the CAZ is properly in force? So AG and WB could still send anything uncompliant until it's properly in force?
Quote from: Jack on June 12, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Can't anything be used until the CAZ is properly in force? So AG and WB could still send anything uncompliant until it's properly in force?
The CAZ becomes 'enforceable' from Monday 14th June. As Tony has stated, any vehicle can be used within the CAZ, but any that are not compliant will be subject to charges, for buses and HGVs this is £50 per day per vehicle.
NX did their fleet movements ahead of the initial June 1st start date in order to be prepared and to minimise the amount of charges that could have been incurred. Its not just AG and WB either, don't forget YW now have a number of Tridents that can't be used on their city routes, which is why they no longer appear on the 2 and 3 services, even though they could have been during this short postponement.
Quote from: Jack on June 12, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
Can't anything be used until the CAZ is properly in force? So AG and WB could still send anything uncompliant until it's properly in force?
Sure. 4523 was on the 12/A & 13/A just yesterday
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 12, 2021, 08:37:00 PM
Sure. 4523 was on the 12/A & 13/A just yesterday
That's because it is Euro 6
Quote from: Stu on June 12, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
The CAZ becomes 'enforceable' from Monday 14th June. As Tony has stated, any vehicle can be used within the CAZ, but any that are not compliant will be subject to charges, for buses and HGVs this is £50 per day
YW now have a number of Tridents that can't be used on their city routes, which is why they no longer appear on the 2 and 3 services, even though they could have been during this short postponement.
could use enviro 400 on there transfer the ones at Coventry on 13 & send tridents in place
Quote from: Solo1 on June 13, 2021, 08:47:14 AM
could use enviro 400 on there transfer the ones at Coventry on 13 & send tridents in place
That could mean costly repainting. It may be cheaper to pay the charges.
Quote from: Gareth on June 13, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
That could mean costly repainting. It may be cheaper to pay the charges.
Some buses of the blue and white ones, might be due a repaint anyway though I would have thought?
How much does it cost to repaint one as well?
Though if they were just temporary moves until new buses arrive as well they could operate in the West Midlands in blue, like 2155 when that was on the 55 last September?
Quote from: Gareth on June 13, 2021, 09:33:55 AM
That could mean costly repainting. It may be cheaper to pay the charges.
And it would mean moving non-Euro 6 red buses into Coventry to replace them which wouldn't go down well as the Coventry upgrades have been paid for out of a fund specifically for Coventry buses.
Lots of people seem to think I haven't done my job as best is possible?
Surely Alexander Dennis could have provided a few euro 6 demonstrator vehicles on loan (at a very low rate) after all the business NXWM have put their way over recent times!
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
And it would mean moving non-Euro 6 red buses into Coventry to replace them which wouldn't go down well as the Coventry upgrades have been paid for out of a fund specifically for Coventry buses.
Lots of people seem to think I haven't done my job as best is possible?
As there's a lot of change going on, I think everyone's just speculating (as enthusiasts often do) and thinking out loud.
Presumably the Coventry fleet is another complexity altogether for the reason you've mentioned and as its intended to be zero emissions much sooner. By saying this, I hope I won't set another pile of speculation going but presumably both fleets will be subject to a combination of both replacement (new buses) and conversion to zero emissions, potentially? Add to that different emission regimes in different towns on different timescales, failure of previously converted compliant buses requiring further work, and the little matter that no one knows how services will bounce back, usage wise after Covid and the job of fleet management is even harder than it would normally be? Plus budgets, engineering challenges (for example it must be frustrating having only 1 out of 5 Euro 6 Streetdecks in use) - you guys must have your work cut out!! Oh and the imminent arrival of 20 hydrogen buses - yet another fuel type to be brought into use.
I suspect we're going to see lots of changes going forward - a very interesting time for observers of the fleet.
Are you able to enlighten us at all on potential conversion programmes to zero emissions, or progress with the Coventry project (that is, presumably subject to Government funding also)?
Quote from: don on June 13, 2021, 11:35:08 AM
As there's a lot of change going on, I think everyone's just speculating (as enthusiasts often do) and thinking out loud.
Presumably the Coventry fleet is another complexity altogether for the reason you've mentioned and as its intended to be zero emissions much sooner. By saying this, I hope I won't set another pile of speculation going but presumably both fleets will be subject to a combination of both replacement (new buses) and conversion to zero emissions, potentially? Add to that different emission regimes in different towns on different timescales, failure of previously converted compliant buses requiring further work, and the little matter that no one knows how services will bounce back, usage wise after Covid and the job of fleet management is even harder than it would normally be? Plus budgets, engineering challenges (for example it must be frustrating having only 1 out of 5 Euro 6 Streetdecks in use) - you guys must have your work cut out!! Oh and the imminent arrival of 20 hydrogen buses - yet another fuel type to be brought into use.
I suspect we're going to see lots of changes going forward - a very interesting time for observers of the fleet.
Are you able to enlighten us at all on potential conversion programmes to zero emissions, or progress with the Coventry project (that is, presumably subject to Government funding also)?
In addition to the 29 electrics and 20 hydrogens due management have said that they hope to have 150 electrics at Coventry, 100 Hydrogens at walsall, 100 Hydrogens at both of the depots to replace BC within the next 2 years
Just 1 more needed after that for the 500 target. Given the pandemic it is rather unlikely that having them by the Commonwealth games target will be achieved though.
Rumours are yet again 55/94 to merge
@Tony can you confirm
Quote from: Nxwm on June 13, 2021, 08:55:29 PM
Rumours are yet again 55/94 to merge @Tony can you confirm
I have no idea what you are on about.
Quote from: Nxwm on June 13, 2021, 08:55:29 PM
Rumours are yet again 55/94 to merge @Tony can you confirm
How could you possibly merge two routes which only run together between Ward and and City.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 13, 2021, 09:20:05 PM
How could you possibly merge two routes which only run together between Ward and and City.
Only way would be making a circular from how I see it. Completely stupid and that would make that corridor worse than it is in my opinion... Sounds worse than the cross city routes...
Just seen a photo of 6146 parked up at PB. Is that another transfer
@Tony?
Quote from: Stu on June 12, 2021, 07:32:02 PM
The CAZ becomes 'enforceable' from Monday 14th June. As Tony has stated, any vehicle can be used within the CAZ, but any that are not compliant will be subject to charges, for buses and HGVs this is £50 per day per vehicle.
NX did their fleet movements ahead of the initial June 1st start date in order to be prepared and to minimise the amount of charges that could have been incurred. Its not just AG and WB either, don't forget YW now have a number of Tridents that can't be used on their city routes, which is why they no longer appear on the 2 and 3 services, even though they could have been during this short postponement.
are all YW's tridents not compliant? They do have a lot of tridents that's for sure.
Quote from: bbs on June 15, 2021, 08:49:07 AM
are all YW's tridents not compliant? They do have a lot of tridents that's for sure.
I would have thought three big routes, 18, 76 and 49, which don't enter the CAZ zone, would take up most of the YW Trident allocation...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 15, 2021, 08:37:32 AM
Just seen a photo of 6146 parked up at PB. Is that another transfer @Tony?
Yes, swapped with 4498
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
Yes, swapped with 4498
is 6146 still in outer circle branding?
Quote from: bbs on June 15, 2021, 01:10:48 PM
is 6146 still in outer circle branding?
Yes - been on the Staff Bus today.
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2021, 09:03:47 PM
I have no idea what you are on about.
Do you know whats changing from July
@Tony. As Bus Times says "route change" for 55?
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/22
Is it going back to its old route via Stechford Ln, something else, or does it not mean much.
4500 PB - AG. At Ward End, Bromford Lane on the 11A this morning.
4390 YW-withdrawn
4383 rescued from PN scrapyard and to be reinstated at YW
4572 BC-WA
4596 WA-BC
After a year out of service 4501 is out on the 1 today after transferring PB-AG last night
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2021, 09:31:06 AM
After a year out of service 4501 is out on the 1 today after transferring PB-AG last night
Thats great!
4390 reinstated back at YW with a replacement engine.
4382 withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2021, 02:43:29 PM
4390 reinstated back at YW with a replacement engine.
4382 withdrawn
Serious question please Tony: What mileage does NXWM record for re-engined buses? Is it the last-known mileage of a recycled engine, zero mileage for a new engine or not really a factor overall?
Quote from: Wumpty on July 22, 2021, 12:23:18 PM
Serious question please Tony: What mileage does NXWM record for re-engined buses? Is it the last-known mileage of a recycled engine, zero mileage for a new engine or not really a factor overall?
recorded mileage is for the bus, not the engine. Any 43xx getting replacement engines now will be ones form other reserve fleet vehicles anyway, so not zero mileage engines anyway, I think 4390's engine came from 4388
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
recorded mileage is for the bus, not the engine. Any 43xx getting replacement engines now will be ones form other reserve fleet vehicles anyway, so not zero mileage engines anyway, I think 4390's engine came from 4388
Thanks for the answer Tony. Hope you're well!
Just Curious, When did 831/832 leave AG?
Quote from: bbs on August 12, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
Just Curious, When did 831/832 leave AG?
October 2019 8)
Quote from: bbs on August 13, 2021, 01:46:11 PM
ah ok
There's a great website where you find all this information yourself:
http://wmbusphotos.com/
;)
4447, 6766 WN-Withdrawn
Why 6766 withdrawn?
Quote from: Jack D on August 13, 2021, 05:44:38 PM
Why 6766 withdrawn?
It was clearly too expensive to repair its damage from the arson attack and cost more than the vehicle is worth...
Quote from: BN on August 13, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
4447, 6766 WN-Withdrawn
Was 4447 also damaged in a fire?
That must be the first platinum to be withdrawn
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 13, 2021, 06:13:52 PM
Was 4447 also damaged in a fire?
It had repairs to be made which were too expensive compared to what it was worth
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 13, 2021, 06:50:19 PM
It had repairs to be made which were too expensive compared to what it was worth
Are you really going to copy pretty much what I said 3 posts above.... ::)
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 08:26:15 PM
Are you really going to copy pretty much what I said 3 posts above.... ::)
You replied about 6766
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2021, 08:42:27 PM
You replied about 6766
I know... but he could of at least reworded it instead of copy and paste 🙄
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 09:06:12 PM
I know... but he could of at least reworded it instead of copy and paste 🙄
I mean, they did. It's not an identical message...
2141 PN to CV
1806 PB to AG
2142 PN to CV
2142 not in CV livery?
Quote from: RW on August 20, 2021, 07:46:33 AM
2142 not in CV livery?
pvr increase & save having to repaint it crimson when the electric ones come if this was in blue
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2021, 07:50:26 AM
see main site for photo
Bit confused. That was the photo I was referring to. I assume it's not going into CV blue?
4464 BC to CV
4576 BC-CV
4606 BC-YW
Interesting group of transfers to CV - are these likely to enable cascade repaints to crimson to commence (presuming new vehicles are due soon at CV to allow cascades to happen)?
Quote from: don on August 26, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
Interesting group of transfers to CV - are these likely to enable cascade repaints to crimson to commence (presuming new vehicles are due soon at CV to allow cascades to happen)?
No all transfers in are to cover service increases
Thanks, Tony.
4476 PB-WB
4442 WN-withdrawn
(4484 currently at AG is a loan covering for the non-appearance of 4502)
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
4476 PB-WB
4442 WN-withdrawn
(4484 currently at AG is a loan covering for the non-appearance of 4502)
More to come tomorrow!
2120 WN-WA
2135 PN-WA
1760/2 WA- withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on September 02, 2021, 12:23:58 PM
2120 WN-WA
2135 PN-WA
Hope they remember to change the fleetnames on them?
Quote from: Westy on September 02, 2021, 12:49:58 PM
Hope they remember to change the fleetnames on them?
If you see something wrong the critisize it, but there's no need for sarcasm. Yes, Wolverhampton fleetnames have been changed
Has 4477 transferred to WB?
Quote from: Tony on September 02, 2021, 12:23:58 PM
1760/2 WA- withdrawn
Wasn't expecting this...
4476, 4477 PB to WB
4750 WB to PN
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
4476 PB-WB
4442 WN-withdrawn
(4484 currently at AG is a loan covering for the non-appearance of 4502)
@Tony IS 4442 withdrawn, people on Facebook saying that it has now been MOT'd?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 02, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
@Tony IS 4442 withdrawn, people on Facebook saying that it has now been MOT'd?
Yes, WN initially asked for it to be withdrawn, but now a different Trident will be instead
Quote from: Tony on September 02, 2021, 02:34:53 PM
If you see something wrong the critisize it, but there's no need for sarcasm. Yes, Wolverhampton fleetnames have been changed
Apologies for the sarcasm,but why was Wolverhampton having separate fleetnames anyway?
Don't recall it ever being explained.
Isn't Wolverhampton fleetnames celebrating 100 years of transport
Quote from: Westy on September 02, 2021, 08:51:10 PM
Apologies for the sarcasm,but why was Wolverhampton having separate fleetnames anyway?
Don't recall it ever being explained.
Buses were branded to celebrate 100 years of National Express West Midlands (as
@PB2938 rightly states), and its predecessors TWM/WM Buses/WMT/WMPTE/Wolverhampton Corporation, and sported the City of Wolverhampton crest.
Todays Transfers
2093 WN-PN
2121 WN-WA
2136 PN-WA
4748 WB-PN
4749 WB-PN
1755 WA-withdrawn
1771 WA-withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
Todays Transfers
2093 WN-PN
2121 WN-WA
2136 PN-WA
4748 WB-PN
4749 WB-PN
1755 WA-withdrawn
1771 WA-withdrawn
Eclipse 1's starting to be withdrawn. Great buses they were
Are these Mk1 Volvos likely to find there way into the training fleet?
i wonder if the mk1 b7s will be held onto as reserve, or sold on.
Quote from: mranon on September 03, 2021, 04:55:16 PM
i wonder if the mk1 b7s will be held onto as reserve, or sold on.
I would think they are candidates to be sold on, 15 years old they don't look their age at all. In fact I still think they have life in them. Still thought they would of lasted another few years yet...
Quote from: Jack on September 03, 2021, 05:09:31 PM
I would think they are candidates to be sold on, 15 years old they don't look their age at all. In fact I still think they have life in them. Still thought they would of lasted another few years yet...
Probably been chosen as they are euro 3 single decks as well and no longer required. Makes sense rather than deckers going.
Once these go the single deck fleet will all be euro 6 I think.
Quote from: Wumpty on September 03, 2021, 06:38:39 AM
Amazing how passengers perceive 12 year old Scanias are better than the younger Platinums that occasionally strayed onto the route!
Strange opinion. I'd have a platinum or any decker (I caught 4844 today) over a rammed packed scania on busy 94/95, 14's etc. The platinums also have next stop announcements, USB charging ponts, etc that an omnilink doesn't have.
Also having extra space onboard (deckers) might encourage people to return to using the bus as well, which they are obviously hoping for as there's some buses carrying rear adverts and an NX Bus advert on a telephone box in Ward End.
Quote from: 2206 on September 03, 2021, 06:51:57 PM
Also having extra space onboard (deckers) might encourage people to return to using the bus as well, which they are obviously hoping for as there's some buses carrying rear adverts and an NX Bus advert on a telephone box in Ward End.
The Scanias and other single decks might seem more spacious though, for the elderly and those that are less mobile. They are way less likely to use the upper deck, and the OmniLinks are longer than a decker, with more room than the lower deck of one.
Quote from: DJ on September 03, 2021, 08:50:55 PM
The Scanias and other single decks might seem more spacious though, for the elderly and those that are less mobile. They are way less likely to use the upper deck, and the OmniLinks are longer than a decker, with more room than the lower deck of one.
Means more people will go upstairs though and that leaves more room for people who tend to stay downstairs, including the elderly/less mobile and people with pushchairs on the lower deck. Good those scanias are now gone from the 55/95 I think, they would get overcrowded with standing passengers when they were used on there, I don't remember them feeling spacious.
4576 not coming to WA
4607 not going to BC
1755 1760 1762 1771 withdrawn a shame.
2137 PN-WA
1752 WA-Withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
Todays Transfers
1755 WA-withdrawn
1771 WA-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on September 05, 2021, 07:55:38 PM
2137 PN-WA
1752 WA-Withdrawn
I guess its a little sad to hear these MK1 Wright Eclipse B7RLEs being withdrawn from service.
But on the other hand, is it not true that NX Bus have a 'surplus' of single deck vehicles?
I wonder if, with the impending arrival of these Hydrogen Streetdecks to Walsall, could we see some OmniLinks from elsewhere being shuffled around?
(Or is that just wishful thinking on my part! ;D )
Quote from: Stu on September 05, 2021, 08:42:11 PM
But on the other hand, is it not true that NX Bus have a 'surplus' of single deck vehicles?
As a matter of interest, what was the total number of Singles and Double Decker buses in service for NXWM in Sep 2012 - compared to the number in 2021?
2021 = 431 Singles? 946 Doubles?
Quote from: wulfrun on September 06, 2021, 09:21:55 AM
As a matter of interest, what was the total number of Singles and Double Decker buses in service for NXWM in Sep 2012 - compared to the number in 2021?
2021 = 431 Singles? 946 Doubles?
Not sure where you have those numbers from, but as of 1/9/21 the fleet allocated to garages for service (not trainers or reserve fleet) was 1061 doubles and 486 singles
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Not sure where you have those numbers from, but as of 1/9/21 the fleet allocated to garages for service (not trainers or reserve fleet) was 1061 doubles and 486 singles
Thanks Tony. I got the totals from the NXWM vehicle list on bustimes.org – a starting point to load my hook with bait :D
If I add the figures for NXC vehicles listed on bustimes.org (50 Singles, 127 Doubles) that makes the total for NX Buses on bustimes.org of 1073 doubles and 481 singles, which is closer to yours. Are your totals for NXWM or NXWM + NXC?
OT I know, but If anyone has a record of the Single and Decker totals from their logs for NXWM or NXWM+NXC in Sep 2012 (excluding trainers and reserve fleet), that would be handy to know.
Quote from: wulfrun on September 06, 2021, 12:51:27 PM
OT I know, but If anyone has a record of the Single and Decker totals from their logs for NXWM or NXWM+NXC in Sep 2012 (excluding trainers and reserve fleet), that would be handy to know.
Do the PSV Circle keep historic records of this (though I'm sure
@Tony does anyway!).
If you find out
@wulfrun, I'd be just as interested to see how the fleet has evolved in less than 10 years!
Todays transfers:
1751, 1757, 1769 withdrawn
2122, 2123 WN-WA
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2021, 02:10:39 PM
Todays transfers:
1751, 1757, 1769 withdrawn
2122, 2123 WN-WA
Has WN lost some work / Pvr ?
Allocation is back under 200
Quote from: winston on September 09, 2021, 02:22:48 PM
Has WN lost some work / Pvr ?
Allocation is back under 200
The last Hybrid, 5421, returned from Euro 6 conversion today, so no cover needed for that, No buses left to paint, so no cover needed for that, and any spares kept until the September PVR was known are removed.
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2021, 02:48:05 PM
The last Hybrid, 5421, returned from Euro 6 conversion today, so no cover needed for that, No buses left to paint, so no cover needed for that, and any spares kept until the September PVR was known are removed.
Have the two hybrids returned from EYMS?
Quote from: Wumpty on September 06, 2021, 01:19:30 PM
Do the PSV Circle keep historic records of this (though I'm sure @Tony does anyway!).
If you find out @wulfrun, I'd be just as interested to see how the fleet has evolved in less than 10 years!
These figures may not be 100% accurate but the figures I have at 30 September 2012 are - Total 1616, SD 724, DD 892.
EDIT : The above figures include 18 DD and 62 SD at Dundee, so the West Midlands figures are SD 662, DD 874
2138 PN-WA
2139 PN-WA
2140 PN-WA
Is the ultimate aim to get all or the majority of the Eclipse 2's into Walsall?
1751 previously remembered as Walsall's Skegness 'rear end advert' bus & also a 301 branded bus.
Quote from: BN on September 10, 2021, 04:13:59 PM
Along with 1754, 1766 WA-Withdrawn.
Can I confirm that is 1766 (and not 1765) withdrawn - Tony has listed 10 ex-WA withdrawals so far on Facebook, and mentions 1765 instead. Suppose it could be both!
I've lost track of 4317 and 4322 - do they remain in service at WA / WN respectively?
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 10, 2021, 11:03:20 PM
Can I confirm that is 1766 (and not 1765) withdrawn - Tony has listed 10 ex-WA withdrawals so far on Facebook, and mentions 1765 instead. Suppose it could be both!
I've lost track of 4317 and 4322 - do they remain in service at WA / WN respectively?
Think it's both, plus 1 more withdrawn at WA which wasn't collected.
4317 is withdrawn, 4322 is on the road at WN.
1753, 1773 WA-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on September 19, 2021, 12:23:15 PM
1753, 1773 WA-withdrawn
Has 1763 (and possibly 4332) gone too?
4566 YW-WA
4578 YW-WA
Quote from: RW on August 20, 2021, 07:46:33 AM
2142 not in CV livery?
Just seen photos of these, what on earth have they done to them. Looks like a big blue plaster on the front of it
Quote from: BN on October 03, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
Just seen photos of these, what on earth have they done to them. Looks like a big blue plaster on the front of it
they also have. 2141 & 2 deckers PVR increase to save going into blue as Coventry will.soon be all.electic buses there was a post on here about the 4 in red
Quote from: BN on October 03, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
Just seen photos of these, what on earth have they done to them. Looks like a big blue plaster on the front of it
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51532527393_fd3fef449e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvKF2B)NX Coventry 2142 on Route 16, Coventry (https://flic.kr/p/2mvKF2B) by Aubrey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/), on Flickr
Quote from: Solo1 on October 03, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
they also have. 2141 & 2 deckers PVR increase to save going into blue as Coventry will.soon be all.electic buses there was a post on here about the 4 in red
I know the reasons behind the moves but Tony had the company logos changed whi h looked quite smart, now they look a mess.
Quote from: Stu on October 03, 2021, 12:08:42 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51532527393_fd3fef449e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mvKF2B)NX Coventry 2142 on Route 16, Coventry (https://flic.kr/p/2mvKF2B) by Aubrey (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/), on Flickr
Got to say, this is striking! It's much better than the bad old days of whacking any old decal over the existing one - they've clearly thought out how to maintain brand and appearance and reduce the cost of a respray for a relatively short term cover.
1756 WA - Withdrawn
4569 YW - WA
Only 4 B7RLE mk1 left 1761 1767 1770 1772
Quote from: PB2938 on October 04, 2021, 06:34:43 PM
1756 WA - Withdrawn
4569 YW - WA
Only 4 B7RLE mk1 left 1761 1767 1770 1772
Woah that was a quick one by NX
4604/4608 BC-YW
4603 BC-YW
Out on the 76 this afternoon.
4567 YW-WA
4609 BC-YW
4605 also at YW seen on the 2/3 in city.
752 PN-WN
837 WN-PN
4419, 4601 now withdrawn
839 WN to CV
4340, 4416 now withdrawn
822 PN-WB
819; 823 PN-WB
Quote from: BN on February 05, 2022, 08:38:10 AM
819; 823 PN-WB
823 isn't really a stranger at WB as it spent some time there when they reduced the 222 a few months after it was new at PN
Is 809 a transfer to Walsall or a loan?
820 PN-WB
753 WB-PN
Summary of February transfers so far
4280, 4499 AG - withdrawn
4633 BC-WN
4403, 4408, 4412, 4673 CV - withdrawn
819, 820, 821, 822, 823 PN-WB
4577 WA - withdrawn
753 WB-PN
4254, 4266, 4270 WB - withdrawn
4327, 4457 WN - withdrawn
4546 YW - withdrawn
more to come
Quote from: Tony on February 22, 2022, 06:09:33 PM
Summary of February transfers so far
4280, 4499 AG - withdrawn
4633 BC-WN
4403, 4408, 4412, 4673 CV - withdrawn
819, 820, 821, 822, 823 PN-WB
4577 WA - withdrawn
753 WB-PN
4254, 4266, 4270 WB - withdrawn
4327, 4457 WN - withdrawn
4546 YW - withdrawn
more to come
will miss seeing 4280 on the 41s with the old worn out paint
Quote from: Tony on February 22, 2022, 06:09:33 PM
Summary of February transfers so far
4280, 4499 AG - withdrawn
4633 BC-WN
4403, 4408, 4412, 4673 CV - withdrawn
819, 820, 821, 822, 823 PN-WB
4577 WA - withdrawn
753 WB-PN
4254, 4266, 4270 WB - withdrawn
4327, 4457 WN - withdrawn
4546 YW - withdrawn
more to come
4499 may get a reprieve.
2142 CV-WA
1432 training-withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
4499 may get a reprieve.
2142 CV-WA
1432 training-withdrawn
hopefully it does
More transfers in the last couple of days
1811, 1822, 7022, 7024, 7027, 7032 PB - reserve
1949, 1950 WB-PB
4387 YW - withdrawn
4568 WA - withdrawn
4619 BC-WN
4748 PN-WB
Sad to see WA 4568 & 4577 Withdrawn while 4348 still running.
Intresting to see PB newer scanias 7xxx 10 plate to Reserve while 57 plate red/white examples still running.
All the 7xxx parked up need expensive repairs, similarly 4568 isn't going anywhere without an axle change, and 4577 needs a replacement engine
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2022, 03:50:57 PM
All the 7xxx parked up need expensive repairs,
Is there a chance we will see these return? I know 7027 hasn't been in service for a good 2 years.
Also 1951 and 1952 are also at Perry Barr.
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2022, 03:50:57 PM
All the 7xxx parked up need expensive repairs, similarly 4568 isn't going anywhere without an axle change, and 4577 needs a replacement engine
That's explains it well about 70xx Scania.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 25, 2022, 05:12:05 PM
That's explains it well about 70xx Scania.
What's happened to 1811 and 1822, 1811 was only a very recent repaint and refurb?
Quote from: Jack on February 25, 2022, 05:13:54 PM
What's happened to 1811 and 1822, 1811 was only a very recent repaint and refurb?
Have a guess after my 70xx comeents
Quote from: Jack on February 25, 2022, 05:13:54 PM
What's happened to 1811 and 1822, 1811 was only a very recent repaint and refurb?
Surplus to requirements
Quote from: Jack on February 25, 2022, 05:09:12 PM
Is there a chance we will see these return? I know 7027 hasn't been in service for a good 2 years.
Also 1951 and 1952 are also at Perry Barr.
They will return if needed, don't know where you get 7027 hasn't seen service for 2 years from.
One more
754 WB-PN
4426 WN-withdrawn
4578 WA to YW
1953 WB - PB
Full list of February changes here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2022, 07:28:34 PM
Full list of February changes here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4748 PN-WB isn't shown on the monthly list? (In the 25th February post)
Quote from: don on February 28, 2022, 08:13:47 PM
4748 PN-WB isn't shown on the monthly list? (In the 25th February post)
should be
Upset to see 4285 go absolute beast she was
2110 PN-WA
Lots of movements still going on. 323 & 326 have left for Bus & Coach Solutions
755 WB to NEAT, Aston
1755 has gone to Green Bus.
2110 PN-WA
1844, 1891 WA-reserve
2111 PN-WA
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
4499 may get a reprieve.
2142 CV-WA
1432 training-withdrawn
4577 will also see further service after a desicion on its condition.
4577 withdrawn-WN
2141 CV-WA
755 delivered to NEAT Aston yesterday
1813 PB-reserve
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
2141 CV-WA
755 delivered to NEAT Aston yesterday
1813 PB-reserve
what's the reason in the omnilinks reserving?
Quote from: bbs on March 05, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
what's the reason in the omnilinks reverseing?
I mean I thought the Omnilinks weren't going anywhere yet...
Quote from: bbs on March 05, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
what's the reason in the omnilinks reverseing?
Tony has explained this a couple of pages back:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg299258#msg299258
Quote from: Stu on March 05, 2022, 10:19:57 AM
Tony has explained this a couple of pages back:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg299258#msg299258
ah right thank you
4749 now back at WB too, on the 80.
Can't see it mentioned but 1948 has also moved to Perry Barr.
Summary of March changes so far are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
must be quite a surplus of vehicles then Scanias to reserve
plus all the withdrawals
any more new vehicles ?
4634 BC to WN
( I think I have posted what new vehicles are due, along with the many press reports.. 130 electrics for Coventry
With AG starting to lose ALX400 b7tls, what will they be replaced by?
Changes today
800 sold to Bus & Coach Solutions
1450 sold privately to be dismantled for spares for preserved B10Ls
1837, 1839 WA - reserve
4277 AG - withdrawn
4465 sold to PVS for scrap
4733 WA - YW
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2022, 05:43:00 PM
Changes today
800 sold to Bus & Coach Solutions
1450 sold privately to be dismantled for spares for preserved B10Ls
1837, 1839 WA - reserve
4277 AG - withdrawn
4465 sold to PVS for scrap
4733 WA - YW
4277 a AG classic Bus
Could 1841/1847 be the next candidate to Reserve.
They've got the old fashioned assault screen and driver interior mirror on the ceiling.
Quote from: PB2938 on March 08, 2022, 07:06:56 PM
Could 1841/1847 be the next candidate to Reserve.
They've got the old fashioned assault screen and driver interior mirror on the ceiling.
No, they are being swapped out.
6146 PB-AG
4456 WN-withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
6146 PB-AG
Nice... PB losing another Decker, yet Omnilinks now seem to making more and more appearances on Decker services...
Quote from: Jack on March 09, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
Nice... PB losing another Decker, yet Omnilinks now seem to making more and more appearances on Decker services...
How do you know whats happening with fleets movements, please tell me what your crystal ball is telling you, Perry Barr are standing down a few omnilinks and maybe Tony is trying to keep batches together so 6113/14 could go back to PN and AG getting 6146-48. Maybe Perry Barr may get some E400s or Geminis from elsewhere and you do know there are potentially circa 73 double deckers from Coventry which will need new homes from when the electric buses arrive.
Rather have omnilink turn up than no bus at all
Tony mentioned that the new PB garage will support a full fleet of electric buses so is in a better position than some other garages to receive new electric double deckers when they are next purchased
I am of course not predicting this will happen imminently
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 09, 2022, 03:58:32 PM
How do you know whats happening with fleets movements, please tell me what your crystal ball is telling you, Perry Barr are standing down a few omnilinks and maybe Tony is trying to keep batches together so 6113/14 could go back to PN and AG getting 6146-48. Maybe Perry Barr may get some E400s or Geminis from elsewhere and you do know there are potentially circa 73 double deckers from Coventry which will need new homes from when the electric buses arrive.
Rather have omnilink turn up than no bus at all
this is just a guess but i believe acocks greens ALX400s will bw withdrawn with Perry barrs 44* geminis going AG. Walsalls E400 to perry barr then
Quote from: bbs on March 09, 2022, 04:46:38 PM
this is just a guess but i believe acocks greens ALX400s will bw withdrawn with Perry barrs 44* geminis going AG. Walsalls E400 to perry barr then
Anything is possible but one of walsalls e400 have gone to YW
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 09, 2022, 05:11:30 PM
Anything is possible but one of walsalls e400 have gone to YW
I meant the Ex 51 brandeds
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 09, 2022, 03:58:32 PM
How do you know whats happening with fleets movements, please tell me what your crystal ball is telling you, Perry Barr are standing down a few omnilinks and maybe Tony is trying to keep batches together so 6113/14 could go back to PN and AG getting 6146-48. Maybe Perry Barr may get some E400s or Geminis from elsewhere and you do know there are potentially circa 73 double deckers from Coventry which will need new homes from when the electric buses arrive.
I think the new buses for Coventry were said to be about 9 months away yet.
6146 may be a replacement for one of the 42XX. Presumably some of the buses were surplus to requirements given recent changes, so they could be stood down.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 09, 2022, 05:11:30 PM
Anything is possible but one of walsalls e400 have gone to YW
Yes they have 4733
Quote from: cardew on March 09, 2022, 04:23:12 PM
Tony mentioned that the new PB garage will support a full fleet of electric buses so is in a better position than some other garages to receive new electric double deckers when they are next purchased
I am of course not predicting this will happen imminently
It has been stated already that the next load of electric buses (130 in total) are for Coventry garage, which won't start being delivered until the end of this year, for entering service in early 2023.
So it will be some time before Perry Barr sees any electric vehicles I suspect.
As for other transfers of vehicles within the fleet this year, service cuts/reductions may see some vehicles becoming surplus to requirement, and once Walsall can get all their hydrogen vehicles in regular service on the 51, there will be a few double-decks that could be reallocated to replace some older withdrawn ones.
Quote from: Stu on March 09, 2022, 08:30:43 PM
It has been stated already that the next load of electric buses (130 in total) are for Coventry garage, which won't start being delivered until the end of this year, for entering service in early 2023.
So it will be some time before Perry Barr sees any electric vehicles I suspect.
As for other transfers of vehicles within the fleet this year, service cuts/reductions may see some vehicles becoming surplus to requirement, and once Walsall can get all their hydrogen vehicles in regular service on the 51, there will be a few double-decks that could be reallocated to replace some older withdrawn ones.
The press quote about 130 buses early next year was a bit misleading, that is when they hope to have all 130 in service, the first ones are already on the production line at falkirk
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 08:34:41 PM
The press quote about 130 buses early next year was a bit misleading, that is when they hope to have all 130 in service, the first ones are already on the production line at falkirk
How long do these buses take to construct? Is it around the same time as a conventional bus?
1953 PB-YW
1924 YW - reserve
1815 PB-AG
I assume recent transfers to PL 4619, 4633 and 4634 are now fitted with Euro 6 engines?
Brand new engines - or retro fitted exhausts?
Quote from: wulfrun on March 11, 2022, 07:15:12 PM
I assume recent transfers to PL 4619, 4633 and 4634 are now fitted with Euro 6 engines?
Brand new engines - or retro fitted exhausts?
No, It is because they are not euro 6 they have been moved out of an area where they cost £50 per day to operate
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2022, 07:16:34 PM
No, It is because they are not euro 6 they have been moved out of an area where they cost £50 per day to operate
Thanks Tony.
You mentioned in the Walsall Garage thread these were up for a Euro 6 upgrade.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
....
all buses in the range 4718-4995
5401/3-8/13/14/16/18 all others in this range are in process
4619/33/34 will follow these
You also said back in Nov 2021 on BC Garage Thread
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2021, 05:40:01 PM
[4633] is in the garage and will be back on the road soon. It has just had a replacement engine fitted
So I presumed this may have been the planned Euro 6 upgrade - but just an like for like engine swap?
Does this mean it looks increasingly likely that NXWM will not be compliant when all journeys into Wolverhampton AQPS require Euro 6 emission standards from 24th April 2022? PL needs around 44 Euro 6 deckers for NXWM to be compliant - if current level of service is to be maintained.
Quote from: wulfrun on March 11, 2022, 07:46:11 PM
Thanks Tony.
You mentioned in the Walsall Garage thread these were up for a Euro 6 upgrade.
You also said back in Nov 2021 on BC Garage ThreadSo I presumed this may have been the planned Euro 6 upgrade - but just an like for like engine swap?
Does this mean it looks increasingly likely that NXWM will not be compliant when all journeys into Wolverhampton AQPS require Euro 6 emission standards from 24th April 2022? PL needs around 44 Euro 6 deckers for NXWM to be compliant - if current level of service is to be maintained.
You cannot put a euro 6 engine in an older bus, they physically don't fit. The plan was for those three to have exhausts fitted, but because of their different engines they couldn't have standard trident kits fitted which is why they initially stayed at BC
Yes it does look like the euro 6 deadline will be missed, same as Solihull and Coventry which should also be 100% euro 6 now. It was drawn up before Covid happened which has delayed everything by two years, NX always plan on 100 new buses a year which they were unable to do for the last two years, they had planned to be completely euro 6 by the end of 2020 well ahead of all the deadlines. TfWM are aware of the situation.
I saw 4456 being driven to Miller Street at approx 1400 this afternoon - is this just where buses are stored or is there potential for it to re-enter service at some point?
Quote from: Raedwald on March 11, 2022, 11:30:44 PM
I saw 4456 being driven to Miller Street at approx 1400 this afternoon - is this just where buses are stored or is there potential for it to re-enter service at some point?
For a 4400 it was a good bus so it will be stripped of major units before being sold.
No sign of 1815 at Acocks Green Yet
Quote from: bbs on March 12, 2022, 04:45:08 PM
No sign of 1815 at Acocks Green Yet
Yes there is, it was taken there Friday, I dropped an AG engineer at PB to collect it
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2022, 05:01:15 PM
Yes there is, it was taken there Friday, I dropped an AG engineer at PB to collect it
oh right great to here
4464 has been withdrawn from Coventry (engine problems), but is currently on the back of a tow truck to Wolverhampton to see if it is worth fixing to replace 4310 which unfortunately has been found to not have enough chassis left to be worth putting through another MoT
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
4464 has been withdrawn from Coventry (engine problems), but is currently on the back of a tow truck to Wolverhampton to see if it is worth fixing to replace 4310 which unfortunately has been found to not have enough chassis left to be worth putting through another MoT
Would I be correct in thinking an engine swap might be in order?
Quote from: Westy on March 14, 2022, 02:32:10 PM
Would I be correct in thinking an engine swap might be in order?
No
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 08:34:41 PM
The press quote about 130 buses early next year was a bit misleading, that is when they hope to have all 130 in service, the first ones are already on the production line at falkirk
Will these start at E029 - E159 :-\
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on March 14, 2022, 04:49:51 PM
Will these start at E029 - E159 :-\
E030 - E160, E029 already exists
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 14, 2022, 05:07:37 PM
E030 - E160, E029 already exists
They won't be E030-E159 either, you will see why in a couple of months
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
4464 has been withdrawn from Coventry (engine problems), but is currently on the back of a tow truck to Wolverhampton to see if it is worth fixing to replace 4310 which unfortunately has been found to not have enough chassis left to be worth putting through another MoT
Gutted, 4310 was the most reliable vehicle in the WN fleet. Fairly tidy replacement though, hope to have 4464 done by next week.
Quote from: BN on March 14, 2022, 08:39:00 PM
Gutted, 4310 was the most reliable vehicle in the WN fleet. Fairly tidy replacement though, hope to have 4464 done by next week.
Don't forget to have the blue stckers taken of
@BN
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2022, 08:53:04 PM
Don't forget to have the blue stckers taken of @BN
Definitely, it looks awful!
Quote from: BN on March 14, 2022, 09:13:59 PM
Definitely, it looks awful!
wernt there white nx Coventry stickers on those crimson buses or were they blue for the whole time
Quote from: bbs on March 15, 2022, 04:09:28 PM
wernt there white nx Coventry stickers on those crimson buses or were they blue for the whole time
According to the pics on this site, they had 'National Express Coventry' on a red background, before changing them to a 'standout' blue label.
Quote from: Westy on March 15, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
According to the pics on this site, they had 'National Express Coventry' on a red background, before changing them to a 'standout' blue label.
what was the point in adding blue stickers then
Quote from: bbs on March 15, 2022, 08:25:08 PM
what was the point in adding blue stickers then
I suspect it was to reflect the sky blue of the standard NXC fleet. Whilst to some they look garish, they do amplify the brand and would be far more recognisable to local passengers as NXC bus.
Personally, I think its a very smart move by NX to keep vehicles on brand whilst enabling cross-fleet transfers.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2022, 05:53:18 PM
They won't be E030-E159 either, you will see why in a couple of months
New electric buses to christen the new pb garage?
With a large amount of changes happening in the last couple of weeks I have done a mid-month update listing them all
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Interesting to hear about 4230, any more information on what these 'tests' are?
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2022, 05:59:42 PM
With a large amount of changes happening in the last couple of weeks I have done a mid-month update listing them all
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
1 more to add, 1809 PB-reserve. Coming over in the morning.
Quote from: BN on March 17, 2022, 07:40:03 PM
1 more to add, 1809 PB-reserve. Coming over in the morning.
Where do the reserves get stored?
Quote from: Jack on March 17, 2022, 06:42:07 PM
Interesting to hear about 4230, any more information on what these 'tests' are?
Likely tests for seatbelting them, as I believe you need to basically pull one apart as part of the test process, hence why there was half of an ex-London Gemini in their yard back in 2020.
Quote from: Jack on March 17, 2022, 06:42:07 PM
Interesting to hear about 4230, any more information on what these 'tests' are?
Typo Tony, should 4545 read 4546?
Quote from: John Stait on March 20, 2022, 08:01:48 PM
Typo Tony, should 4545 read 4546?
No, 4546 was withdrawn in February
Oh sorry mate. So 4545 off too now? Thank you!
Has 4589 been withdrawn?
Quote from: Jack on March 22, 2022, 05:08:20 PM
Has 4589 been withdrawn?
Not officially yet, but it's looking likely along with 4586
1807 PB-Reserve
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2022, 02:21:25 PM
4464 has been withdrawn from Coventry (engine problems), but is currently on the back of a tow truck to Wolverhampton to see if it is worth fixing to replace 4310 which unfortunately has been found to not have enough chassis left to be worth putting through another MoT
4464 has now been repaired and should be out today.
I have got all the changes that have happened so far in March, and think I have got all those due in the last 3 days, although it is possible there may be a couple more withdrawals
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4610 BC-YW
4578 YW-WA
809 WB to WA
853; 854 WN-WA
4564 WN-Withdrawn
4449 BC to WN
4611 - BC to YW
Out on the 35.
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2022, 11:12:01 AM4611 - BC to WN
Out on the 35.
Transfered to Yardley Wood Not Wolverhampton
1899 PB-WA
Quote from: bbs on April 14, 2022, 11:22:50 AMTransfered to Yardley Wood Not Wolverhampton
Simple typo, thanks.
6148 PB-AG
Quote from: CL on April 15, 2022, 12:27:03 PM6148 PB-AG
Im guessing as soon as 6147 is repaired and back on the road she will be joining her sisters at Acocks Green
Has 4600 transferred to Yardley Wood?
Quote from: GoldenSquid on April 16, 2022, 12:13:29 PMHas 4600 transferred to Yardley Wood?
Yeah it was on the 6 last night
Quote from: bbs on April 16, 2022, 12:17:14 PMYeah it was on the 6 last night
Sounds like 4600/4611 and possibly 4612 have all made that same move: BC-YW.
1812 PB - AG
1953 YW - PB
4282 AG - withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2022, 02:58:32 PM1812 PB - AG
1953 YW - PB
4282 AG - withdrawn
Glad to see 1812 at Acocks Green
1810 PB to AG
1909 YW to PB
4547 YW withdrawn
4612 BC to YW
Any more E200 for WA
Quote from: PB2938 on April 22, 2022, 07:07:45 PMAny more E200 for WA
Tony doesn't post future plans. Only when they've actually happened.
QuoteAny more E200 for WA
Nope. See: https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=300578
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2022, 04:48:19 PM1810 PB to AG
1909 YW to PB
4547 YW withdrawn
4612 BC to YW
Is there any confirm date of 6147s return
Quote from: bbs on April 22, 2022, 10:13:04 PMIs there any confirm date of 6147s return
31st April
Quote from: uniquicity on April 22, 2022, 11:46:55 PM31st April
Nice one mate didn't get fooled but let's see how the rest do
4430 WN-WITHDRAWN
2143, 2144 & 2145 all into reserve while they are painted crimson
4599 BC-WA. Won't be staying long, and will move on elsewhere soon, but helping out while Walsall are struggling
2143 CV-WA. This is long term
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2022, 05:00:24 PM4599 BC-WA. Won't be staying long, and will move on elsewhere soon, but helping out while Walsall are struggling
2143 CV-WA. This is long term
I take it, this is connected with the loss of 4601 & the Trident that went up in flames over Brownhills recently?
QuoteI take it, this is connected with the loss of 4601 & the Trident that went up in flames over Brownhills recently?
No
Has 4572 been withdrawn?
it was but its been towed to Wolverhampton and may receive an engine from one of the withdrawn tridents. Tony did say it will be reinstated to Wolverhampton if all is ok.
Quote from: cris 99 on April 29, 2022, 10:51:50 PMit was but its been towed to Wolverhampton and may receive an engine from one of the withdrawn tridents. Tony did say it will be reinstated to Wolverhampton if all is ok.
It had a whole new engine last year, seems a waste if it was withdrawn not even 12 months later.
QuoteIt had a whole new engine last year, seems a waste if it was withdrawn not even 12 months later.
No it didn't have a new engine last year. The reason it was initially withdrawn was the engine had gone
Quote from: Jack on April 29, 2022, 10:53:52 PMIt had a whole new engine last year, seems a waste if it was withdrawn not even 12 months later.
We have engine repair facilties at Wolverhampton, the vehicle is in good condition so it was bought over to have the engine repaired rather than changed. It will be back on the road soon. This allows them to withdraw something in worse condition.
6147 PB-AG
Quote from: CL on May 09, 2022, 11:25:04 AM6147 PB-AG
I was on that this morning on the 907 (0702 from Sutton, arriving City at 0745)
2144 First day at Walsall out on the 4
4597 BC - WN
Quote4597 BC - WN
And I have just returned to BC with 4439 for component recovery before scrapping
Can't see it mentioned but 4602 is now at YW.
QuoteCan't see it mentioned but 4602 is now at YW.
Yes, no red/white tridents left at BC
4596 BC-WN
754 PN - WN
3 leaving us today
1952, 7020, 7022 off to Pensnett (reserve)
I presume no transfers required for the BC - PB 14, 94, 95 swop?
QuoteI presume no transfers required for the BC - PB 14, 94, 95 swop?
No
All depots have plenty of buses at the moment with reduced timetables
4555; 4557 WN-withdrawn
2094; 2095 PN-WN
Quote from: BN on August 07, 2022, 09:55:55 AM4555; 4557 WN-withdrawn
2094; 2095 PN-WN
Why has 2094 2095 gone to Wolverhampton
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 07, 2022, 08:48:31 PMWhy has 2094 2095 gone to Wolverhampton
To replace 2 trident that have been withdrawn
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 07, 2022, 08:50:29 PMTo replace 2 trident that have been withdrawn
Ohh okay
4599 WA to WN
4858 WA - PB
4854 WA to PB
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2022, 04:40:02 PM4854 WA to PB
Is there plans for the 51 to be fully Hydrogen in September.
4495 PB-AG
4479 PB - WB
4527 AG-WB
Quote4527 AG-WB
Not sure where you have that from, but it is completely incorrect.
The vehicle is currently sat in AG garage and isn't going anywhere
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2022, 06:11:08 PM4495 PB-AG
Be nice if AG would utilise this and 4496 to be used on City duties with them being Euro 6 and if they will get more of PB's would make sense as the 4/4A is always welcome to having more Deckers.
QuoteBe nice if AG would utilise this and 4496 to be used on City duties with them being Euro 6 and if they will get more of PB's would make sense as the 4/4A is always welcome to having more Deckers.
But you still have the problem of where else to use the 22xx
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2022, 05:20:57 PMBut you still have the problem of where else to use the 22xx
Yes, I just think Deckers should be utilised more on there when they can be.
I also see 4857 has moved to PB.
QuoteYes, I just think Deckers should be utilised more on there when they can be.
I also see 4857 has moved to PB.
Maybe the influx of vehicles from Coventry and when the 124 hydrogen vehicles arrive next may lead to cascades that will give the 4s deckers but as you are well aware NXWM has too many singles ATM
Quote from: Jack on August 24, 2022, 05:29:35 PMYes, I just think Deckers should be utilised more on there when they can be.
I also see 4857 has moved to PB.
Hydrogen delived at Walsall late December 2021 never had many Fleet Movements. Maybe the 51 will be fully Hydrogen operated now as 48xx transfer out.
QuoteMaybe the influx of vehicles from Coventry and when the 124 hydrogen vehicles arrive next may lead to cascades that will give the 4s deckers but as you are well aware NXWM has too many singles ATM
Most likely the 75 and 69**from CV to be honest
All of 4854-8 now transferred WA-PB
4480 PB-WB
4483 PB-WB
August fleet moves now on the main site
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
Quote4483 PB-WB
Im guessing the 449* batch is heading to AG and the rest to WB. Really wished 4484 came AG but guess not
1900 1901 PB-YW
Quote1900 1901 PB-YW
Not transfers
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 11, 2022, 05:45:39 PM1900 1901 PB-YW
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2022, 06:26:33 PMNot transfers
Both have been out in service on PB routes today, so presumably will be loans to YW to replace out-of-action vehicles?
Though I would have presumed that YW already had far more single-decks than they actually need.
QuoteBoth have been out in service on PB routes today, so presumably will be loans to YW to replace out-of-action vehicles?
Though I would have presumed that YW already had far more single-decks than they actually need.
Aren't the single decks used on 27, 20 and 144A. Including the uncommon 2/3
Quote from: BBS on September 11, 2022, 08:27:36 PMAren't the single decks used on 27, 20 and 144A. Including the uncommon 2/3
76, 49 & 18 as well I think.
Quote from: BBS on September 11, 2022, 08:27:36 PMAren't the single decks used on 27, 20 and 144A. Including the uncommon 2/3
The only route at YW that
requires single decks is the 27. The 20 interworks with the 27 during the daytime.
With a surplus of OmniLinks, naturally they will be used on other routes when there are no 'spare' double-decks.
QuoteBoth have been out in service on PB routes today, so presumably will be loans to YW to replace out-of-action vehicles?
Though I would have presumed that YW already had far more single-decks than they actually need.
Neither of them have been near YW, and are not on loan, so I have no idea where some of the bullshit originates from.
1904 PB to reserve.
1811 reserve to PB
Quote1904 PB to reserve.
1811 reserve to PB
Loved 1811, happy to see it again :)
4905 (pride livery bus) is a west bromwich bus
when did that happen
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on September 20, 2022, 10:41:36 AM4905 (pride livery bus) is a west bromwich bus
when did that happen
Its a loan
4906 on 74 (WB loan as well)?
4905/6 on loan to WB
6835 on loan to AG
Quote4905/6 on loan to WB
6835 on loan to AG
Wasn't 6856 meant to be on loan to AG too?
Also when are these returning to their depots?
6856 never made it to AG and the loans will be back at BC in time for frequency changes on the 2ND Oct
Quote from: BBS on September 20, 2022, 04:32:08 PMWasn't 6856 meant to be on loan to AG too?
Also when are these returning to their depots?
Quote from: cris 99 on September 20, 2022, 08:32:40 PM6856 never made it to AG and the loans will be back at BC in time for frequency changes on the 2ND Oct
I presume the loans will be until other vehicles can start to be released from Coventry once the electrics stored at BC make their way over there to enter full service.
6958 6960 6962 CV-BC
Quote6958 6960 6962 CV-BC
This is not correct
QuoteHow come they are at bc now
Because drivers are collecting electrics from BC so leave them there for their new garage to collect. If you notice they are parked with the electrics that also aren't BC buses
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2022, 09:22:30 PMBecause drivers are collecting electrics from BC so leave them there for their new garage to collect
Ohh okay is it west brom
QuoteOhh okay is it west brom
My guess would be Acocks Green or West Bromwich to be honest
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 28, 2022, 09:23:11 PMOhh okay is it west brom
Why don't you just wait till it's is announced , they'll go to where ever they do
Quote from: BBS on September 28, 2022, 09:28:43 PMMy guess would be Acocks Green or West Bromwich to be honest
Just be patient, goodness me...
6962 CV to PB
4859 transferred from Walsall garage or is it on loan?
Quote4859 transferred from Walsall garage or is it on loan?
Transfer along with 1898
QuoteJust be patient, goodness me...
I literally said "guess", no need to show attitude all the time
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2022, 09:36:04 AM6962 CV to PB
Hoping to have the 695* buses too. 25 years after the previous incarnations last ran round my local area. (Even though they wouldn't have been on the 14)
If PB is there permanent home and they don't go elsewhere later on. I wonder if they will be put on any specific route like the ones on the 16 and Sutton routes.
33, 101, or 14 could become fully platinum maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2022, 05:49:58 PMIf PB is there permanent home and they don't go elsewhere later on. I wonder if they will be put on any specific route like the ones on the 16 and Sutton routes.
33, 101, or 14 could become fully platinum maybe?
There's only 20 E400MMCs at Coventry and they may not all be going to PB. As they're now unbranded, I guess they will go on any route that needs a double-deck.
QuoteThere's only 20 E400MMCs at Coventry and they may not all be going to PB. As they're now unbranded, I guess they will go on any route that needs a double-deck.
No they are not all going to Perry Barr. The ones that do go may not stay, they are just going for now to remove all Geminis from PB.
QuoteNo they are not all going to Perry Barr. The ones that do go may not stay, they are just going for now to remove all Geminis from PB.
Which batch of gemini will go to West Bromwich?
6955, 6956, 6957 CV to AG
6958 6963, CV to WB
6959, 6960, 6961 CV to PB
4905, 4906 returned off loan to BC
6852, 7515, 7518 returned off loan to BC
1899, 4861, 4862 WA to PB
4481 4487 PB-WB
4860 WA-PB
6114 PB - AG
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2022, 06:49:03 PMNo they are not all going to Perry Barr. The ones that do go may not stay, they are just going for now to remove all Geminis from PB.
The Geminis have served PB well. Really nice buses, sturdy and reliable. I'm sure they'll be missed by many.
Quote from: Gareth on September 30, 2022, 04:25:20 PMThe Geminis have served PB well. Really nice buses, sturdy and reliable. I'm sure they'll be missed by many.
They're just moving to another garage I think. You can get them on the 1, 72, 73, 11, etc. 11 in Perry Barr itself as well. Or Soho Road, 5, 12/12A/13/13A, 48/48A/49, 80 from West Bromwich.
I used to like them at Walsall.
Full list of September transfers is here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: 2206 on September 30, 2022, 05:52:12 PMThey're just moving to another garage I think. You can get them on the 1, 72, 73, 11, etc. 11 in Perry Barr itself as well. Or Soho Road, 5, 12/12A/13/13A, 48/48A/49, 80 from West Bromwich.
I meant missed from Perry Barr.
QuoteThey're just moving to another garage I think. You can get them on the 1, 72, 73, 11, etc. 11 in Perry Barr itself as well. Or Soho Road, 5, 12/12A/13/13A, 48/48A/49, 80 from West Bromwich.
Mostly those Geminis are on 1,72 and Outer circle
Quote from: BBS on September 30, 2022, 07:16:37 PMMostly those Geminis are on 1,72 and Outer circle
4481 4485 4486 4487 which have gone will go on 12s 13s 80s 74s 89s 87s etc
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 30, 2022, 07:18:28 PM4481 4485 4486 4487 which have gone will go on 12s 13s 80s 74s 89s 87s etc
Am I right in thinking the incoming Geminis will be replacing the remaining ALX400 bodied B7TL at West Bromwich?
QuoteAm I right in thinking the incoming Geminis will be replacing the remaining ALX400 bodied B7TL at West Bromwich?
The E400mmcs have nearly replaced all of Acocks Greens ones. And a couple ex Perry Barr Gemini 1s have also replaced them.
Quote4481 4485 4486 4487 which have gone will go on 12s 13s 80s 74s 89s 87s etc
They will just be used the same as any WB bus, on any double deck route
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2022, 07:24:39 PMThey will just be used the same as any WB bus, on any double deck route
That's what i mean but these ones can go in city
6791 WV-WB
QuoteIsn't this a loan?
Yes, I posted the full list of transfers last night, but some people know better
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 01, 2022, 08:35:07 AM6791 WV-WB
It's WN and it's not a transfer, it's on loan. May send another.
QuoteIt's WN and it's not a transfer, it's on loan. May send another.
I took 6964 as an extra to WB today, so hopefully only need the one.
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2022, 05:06:53 PMI took 6964 as an extra to WB today, so hopefully only need the one.
So is 6964 a transfer to west brom
QuoteSo is 6964 a transfer to west brom
Yes, as per the transfers I posted yesterday!
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2022, 06:05:29 PMYes, as per the transfers I posted yesterday!
Ohh are these gonna be at west brom longer then 3 months
QuoteOhh are these gonna be at west brom longer then 3 months
You do ask/post silly questions. Transfers are not told in advance, Tony has already said some of these transfers may be short term and may move on to another garage. They are all transfers, regardless of time spent temporary (if they are destined to move again) because they have left Coventry and aren't going back!
4667 CV to AG
Quote4667 CV to AG
Great to see these back at AG. Hope they go on routes like 4 and 41 etc.
4765; 4766; 4767 CV-WB
4489; 4494 PB-AG
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2022, 12:37:51 PM4765; 4766; 4767 CV-WB
4489; 4494 PB-AG
yeap in the garage now they don,t half stand out, saw a blue Cov Gemni on the 11C in Bearwood looks good summat different,
should help out with morning shortages , quite a few off the road in the workshop bays.
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2022, 12:37:51 PM4765; 4766; 4767 CV-WB
4489; 4494 PB-AG
With all these ex NXC liveried double deckers moving in to NXWM garages, are the paintshop any closer to getting the new paint booth installed / restarting double decker repaints?
831 CV-PN
Has 6962 transferred to AG
@Tony? It's tracking on the 11S this afternoon.
6962 PB-AG
Not a transfer, only on loan
831 CV to PN
so yet again it seems someone is sitting on bustimes and posting false information. Happening rather a lot lately and isnt learning from his mistakes. Twice last week and again today. please stop posting false information and spamming the page. Personaly i think the only person that should post on this thread is the person that knows and thats Mr
Hunter
4549 YW - withdrawn
Quote from: winston on October 04, 2022, 01:05:31 PMWith all these ex NXC liveried double deckers moving in to NXWM garages, are the paintshop any closer to getting the new paint booth installed / restarting double decker repaints?
What's supposed to be classed as able to be repainted into 'Platinum ' style livery?
Taking a guess, the Eclipse 2's, the E200's, the Streetlites & the E400's!
Quote from: Westy on October 04, 2022, 06:36:42 PMWhat's supposed to be classed as able to be repainted into 'Platinum ' style livery?
Taking a guess, the Eclipse 2's, the E200's, the Streetlites & the E400's!
I'd have thought so.
There's too many different shades of red & grey in existence. Standards seem to be slipping, as there's already an increasing number of buses with new panels painted in incorrect shades/ branding missing longterm etc.
Quote from: winston on October 04, 2022, 07:52:01 PMI'd have thought so.
There's too many different shades of red & grey in existence. Standards seem to be slipping, as there's already an increasing number of buses with new panels painted in incorrect shades/ branding missing longterm etc.
I suppose the Scanias are now classed as 'too old' to receive Platinum, but what about the 5 Walsall 'standard' Streetdecks?
Quote from: Westy on October 04, 2022, 06:36:42 PMWhat's supposed to be classed as able to be repainted into 'Platinum ' style livery?
Taking a guess, the Eclipse 2's, the E200's, the Streetlites & the E400's!
I believe Tony has previously stated any vehicle expected to still be in service after 2025.
QuoteWhat's supposed to be classed as able to be repainted into 'Platinum ' style livery?
Taking a guess, the Eclipse 2's, the E200's, the Streetlites & the E400's!
Can you count the streetdecks and trident enviros?
QuoteCan you count the streetdecks and trident enviros?
Streedecks are only going to be 9/10 years old so will most likely receive a repaint. Trident Enviros will be pushing on 17/18 years old.
I believe 61 plates and upwards will receive the grey livery
Feel free to move to a separate thread, but noticing 2001 on the 529 earlier in new livery, this is it's 3rd livery since entry into service.
Does anyone have an idea which bus / buses past or present may have been painted in the most different liveries, over its service life, not counting branding, unless it changes the livery substantially?
Can include training livery as well.
Quote from: Westy on October 04, 2022, 10:18:21 PMFeel free to move to a separate thread, but noticing 2001 on the 529 earlier in new livery, this is it's 3rd livery since entry into service.
Does anyone have an idea which bus / buses past or present may have been painted in the most different liveries, over its service life, not counting branding, unless it changes the livery substantially?
Can include training livery as well.
4128 might've been a solid contender.
Quote from: Westy on October 04, 2022, 10:18:21 PMFeel free to move to a separate thread, but noticing 2001 on the 529 earlier in new livery, this is it's 3rd livery since entry into service.
Does anyone have an idea which bus / buses past or present may have been painted in the most different liveries, over its service life, not counting branding, unless it changes the livery substantially?
Can include training livery as well.
Please start a new topic for further discussion, lets keep this one 'on-topic'.
Quote from: Westy on October 04, 2022, 10:18:21 PMFeel free to move to a separate thread, but noticing 2001 on the 529 earlier in new livery, this is it's 3rd livery since entry into service.
Does anyone have an idea which bus / buses past or present may have been painted in the most different liveries, over its service life, not counting branding, unless it changes the livery substantially?
Can include training livery as well.
Never quite understood the vehicle repaint system, back in the day there use to be stickers displaying dates for next repaint in Metrobus cabs roughly every 5 years.
i would say the least painted buses would have to be the 4200s B7TL'S unloved this batch interiors are shocking on some too
Back on topic, not sure why a repaint question ever ended up in the transfers thread,
838 CV-PN
752 WN-WB
4493 PB-AG
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2022, 08:42:33 AMBack on topic, not sure why a repaint question ever ended up in the transfers thread,
838 CV-PN
Does that mean a question that may only get one or two replies has to start a new topic, even if it is slightly related to the original topic?
I did say if it caused an issue, it could be moved.
Oops just noticed it was in Transfers.
Sorry.
754 PN-Neat
Sources please...
While looking for trams I did see 4767 on the 49 in West Brom. Looked totally out of place but until the paintshop is up and running for deckers, will be a common sight
QuoteWhile looking for trams I did see 4767 on the 49 in West Brom. Looked totally out of place but until the paintshop is up and running for deckers, will be a common sight
Can say the same for 4667
QuoteSources please...
754 is correct
Quote from: BBS on October 08, 2022, 01:18:58 PMCan say the same for 4667
Didn't they put Blue Coventry stickers over Crimson vehicles when a couple got moved over there not so long back?
How come the reverse hasn't happened for these Coventry to Wm transfers?
6963 6964 WB-PB
Is this a loan or transfer
753 PN-WV
Quote753 PN-WV
Are you just going through bus times to see if any buses have changed depots as you posted "seeing" 6963/4 at PB then 5 mins later you "see" 753 at WN...
Seriously stop posting things as it's happened and just wait for Tony or BN to confirm it!!!!
This guy just doesnt learn he did exactly the same last week. I think a rule should be made now where only Tony or BN posts transfers.
Well hes missed 6113 PB - AG and 6962 now back at PB
QuoteWell hes missed 6113 PB - AG and 6962 now back at PB
6113 is not a transfer, 6962 was only ever a loan
753, 6963 & 6964 are all transfers.
All of 4549; 4584 & 4665 have now finished
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2022, 05:11:45 PM6113 is not a transfer, 6962 was only ever a loan
753, 6963 & 6964 are all transfers.
All of 4549; 4584 & 4665 have now finished
How was 6963 6964 a transfer to west brom when it was only there for a week plus surely west brom need more platuims for the 87 as they seem to be lots of old buses on there
Because they transferred there from Coventry and weren't going back to Coventry, so were not a loan.
4482 & 4484 have gone the other way in exchange
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2022, 05:29:02 PMBecause they transferred there from Coventry and weren't going back to Coventry, so were not a loan.
4482 & 4484 have gone the other way in exchange
West brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones
QuoteWest brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones
In the last 10 years WB has had a higher percentage of brand new vehicles than any other garage!
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2022, 05:46:59 PMIn the last 10 years WB has had a higher percentage of brand new vehicles than any other garage!
I just dont get why west brom dont get a few more platuims to cover 87
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 11, 2022, 05:42:37 PMWest brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones
every garage has older buses.
YW & BC have Tridents. WB & AG Gemini, PB Omnilinks, etc.
Quote from: 2206 on October 11, 2022, 05:53:17 PMevery garage has older buses.
YW & BC have Tridents. WB & AG Gemini, PB Omnilinks, etc.
I know but west brom do not have enough platuims
QuoteI know but west brom do not have enough platuims
So you know your quote "
[font="Open Sans", sans-serif]West brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones"[/font] is completely incorrect then?
Again, another enthusiast can do my job better than me. West Bromwich have plenty enough platinums to run the 87. The amount of spares over PVR is way higher than most operators would even dream of allocating
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 11, 2022, 05:42:37 PMWest brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones
Wolverhampton always gets old buses too they haven't had new buses since 2016 and are always getting tridents and Walsall hasn't had new buses since 2015. New buses go where there needed
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2022, 06:04:01 PMSo you know your quote "West brom always gets the rotten old buses never new ones" is completely incorrect then?
Again, another enthusiast can do my job better than me. West Bromwich have plenty enough platinums to run the 87. The amount of spares over PVR is way higher than most operators would even dream of allocating
28 boards on 87 and they only have 26 platuims
Quote28 boards on 87 and they only have 26 platuims
So you think they can't use the same bus in the afternoon as the morning
QuoteWolverhampton always gets old buses too they haven't had new buses since 2016 and are always getting tridents and Walsall hasn't had new buses since 2015
Sir sir! The hydrogens would like a word on behalf of WA "new in 21" Wolves actually have quite a young fleet, 61/12 plate Volvo's, 14/64 plate E200, 61/13 plate E400 Hybrids, 16/66 plate platinums 65 plate streetlites. Yes the tridents are the oldest but there are another 100 odd buses to move from Coventry. WN may get something.
So will you both calm down Beyonce!!
The current order for garages starting with the oldest average age is
1 -AG
2 -WN
3 -WB
4 -YW
5 -PB
6 -WA
7 -CV
=8 -BC
This will change considerably over the next 3 months with CV moving down to 9th and other changing order as the cascade of vehicles happens
=8 -PN
Quote6113 is not a transfer, 6962 was only ever a loan
753, 6963 & 6964 are all transfers.
All of 4549; 4584 & 4665 have now finished
If 6113 isn't a transfer to AG, could it go back to PN?
QuoteIf 6113 isn't a transfer to AG, could it go back to PN?
No. It is a Perry Barr bus on loan to AG for a short time until the last couple of Geminis at PB are ready to move over.
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2022, 05:46:59 PMIn the last 10 years WB has had a higher percentage of brand new vehicles than any other garage!
However that surely is because of the 50 odd E400 and E200 vehicles new in 2014 (8 yrs ago). They must also have the largest proportion of vehicles in the pre 2015 livery also?
825 PN to WB
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 11, 2022, 06:07:58 PM28 boards on 87 and they only have 26 platuims
5 of these boards are morning and afternoon peaks that started on the 2nd oct any compliant bus will do, there are few platinum buses being worked on by engineers , average punter does'nt care what type of bus it when its cold and raining they,re just glad to be going about there business
4490 PB-AG
4425 WN-withdrawn
4411 & 4665 CV-withdrawn
6110; 6111 PN-AG
4666 CV-withdrawn
752 WB-PN
Quote752 WB-PN
Please don't post anymore transfers on this page
@18WilliamsLi I understand it's "exciting as a bus enthusiast" to post transfers first but only Tony and BN will know.
I feel that only
@Tony and
@BN plus the few drivers on here should post transfers.
Bustimes is not a reliable source as loans sometimes show up as "transfers"
Quote from: BK63 YWP on October 13, 2022, 06:30:29 PMPlease don't post anymore transfers on this page @18WilliamsLi I understand it's "exciting as a bus enthusiast" to post transfers first but only Tony and BN will know.
I feel that only @Tony and @BN plus the few drivers on here should post transfers.
Bustimes is not a reliable source as loans sometimes show up as "transfers"
Im not using bus times an engineer told me
Yes, It is a transfer, Initially went to WB as they were going to operate the 54 service again, so needed two extra buses, but because of the driver shortage it is now going to stay with Diamond so 752 has left again
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2022, 06:48:21 PMYes, It is a transfer, Initially went to WB as they were going to operate the 54 service again, so needed two extra buses, but because of the driver shortage it is now going to stay with Diamond so 752 has left again
Oh okay thanks for the info
Has 6958 gone to PB yet or is it still currently at wb Tony
QuoteHas 6958 gone to PB yet or is it still currently at wb Tony
Still at WB until 4478/88 move, or WB can cope with one less bus
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2022, 07:21:40 PMStill at WB until 4478/88 move, or WB can cope with one less bus
Any idea roughly how long 6958 will be staying at wb
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 13, 2022, 07:28:17 PMAny idea roughly how long 6958 will be staying at wb
Looks like the answer is in the text you quoted, TBH!
4478 has moved to WB now
4672 CV-AG
6958 WB - PB
4488 PB-WB (hasn't physically moved yet as it needs a lot of electrical work doing, but is to be towed to WB)
6112 PN - AG
6955; 6956; 6957 AG-WN
Quote6955; 6956; 6957 AG-WN
And that puts a end to USB buses at AG
QuoteAnd that puts a end to USB buses at AG
Don't they have some 75xx or have they gone?
QuoteDon't they have some 75xx or have they gone?
They had 6852,6835,7515,7518 but were loans that have been returned
4675 CV to AG
Quote4675 CV to AG
So will the ones that have passed MOT also come?
QuoteSo will the ones that have passed MOT also come?
I have already stated it is the Euro 6 ones. This is the last of the three.
QuoteI have already stated it is the Euro 6 ones. This is the last of the three.
Right okay.
4983 CV-WN
4595 BC-WN
4632 BC-WN
4407 CV-withdrawn
all awaiting collection
E059; E060; E070 to CV for service
Quote from: Tony on October 25, 2022, 12:14:12 PM4983 CV-WN
4595 BC-WN
4632 BC-WN
4407 CV-withdrawn
all awaiting collection
E059; E060; E070 to CV for service
First 49 from CV to get transferred
Are the ex cv double deckers going to be repainted with having the panels and moquette as they come in or is the paint booth not ready for them?
6113 PB-AG
4987 CV-WN
4627 BC-WN
E072 to CV for service
Quote6113 PB-AG
4987 CV-WN
4627 BC-WN
E072 to CV for service
Will the 610* from PN going AG
824 PS-WB not seen this reported anywhere unless its a loan can anyone can confirm?
QuoteWill the 610* from PN going AG
How many times do I have to post that I cannot list future transfers
QuoteHow many times do I have to post that I cannot list future transfers
Oop my bad, i will certainly keep that in mind now
4492 PB-AG
Quote from: cris 99 on October 26, 2022, 04:47:34 PM824 PS-WB not seen this reported anywhere unless its a loan can anyone can confirm?
It's on the 46 today.
4432; 4433; 4434; 4436; 4438; 4540; 4553; 4556; 4559; 4563 WN-withdrawn
Quite a mammoth list this month, so the summary so far is now on the main site. There may be one or two more happen Monday
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
Will 4491 be coming over to AG along with the batch that you recently posted on your website Tony?
Quote from: A2tornado on October 27, 2022, 10:25:02 PMWill 4491 be coming over to AG along with the batch that you recently posted on your website Tony?
After MOT
QuoteWill 4491 be coming over to AG along with the batch that you recently posted on your website Tony?
4491 hasn't been tracking for some time now. Good to see it back soon.
4563 was on the Wolves 59 on Monday (I travelled on her)
Quote from: Rachvince53 on October 28, 2022, 10:31:36 AM4563 was on the Wolves 59 on Monday (I travelled on her)
How is that linked with tranfer
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 28, 2022, 10:34:31 AMHow is that linked with tranfer
Because it was listed as withdrawn by BN further up this thread
Quote from: winston on October 28, 2022, 11:22:25 AMBecause it was listed as withdrawn by BN further up this thread
Ohhh
QuoteQuite a mammoth list this month, so the summary so far is now on the main site. There may be one or two more happen Monday
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
Add to the October list 4614 BC to YW
4636 AG withdrawn
E084 into service at CV
I make it about 13 Tridents left at BC...
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 28, 2022, 03:13:41 PMI make it about 13 Tridents left at BC...
I was adding up the 46xx, forgot about the 97 branded 44xx ones :laugh:
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 28, 2022, 03:13:41 PMI make it about 13 Tridents left at BC...
Of these later 46xx, though, aren't a few a long while out of traffic?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 28, 2022, 05:37:32 PMOf these later 46xx, though, aren't a few a long while out of traffic?
4624 and 4629 went because of fires a while ago.
Quote4624 and 4629 went because of fires a while ago.
I think he is referring to 4628 & 4631. 4628 hasn't run this year, but is currently having its chassis welded up to get a new MoT and 4631 has just had a replacement engine fitted
What happened to 4613 it was on the October transfers list earlier but has since been removed
And it said on its picture page
Transferred to Yardley Wood 10/22
This has also since been removed
4986 CV-WN
4613 BC - YW
Quote from: cris 99 on October 31, 2022, 08:27:15 PM4613 BC - YW
sucks that wont be able to see it on your 94s 95s 97s anymore
4763 CV-WB
Quote4763 CV-WB
E073 & E077 have both gone to CV for service today
4836, 4837 CV - PN
E078, E086 new to CV
4431 WN-withdrawn
Quote4836, 4837 CV - PN
E078, E086 new to CV
That's the first time PN got standard E400s right?
QuoteThat's the first time PN got standard E400s right?
4750-62?
Quote4750-62?
I mean the non trident engine ones,the E40D E400s
QuoteI mean the non trident engine ones,the E40D E400s
They are not 'Trident engine' ones. All Tridents were built with Euro 3 engines, the only E400 built with the same engine was 4698
QuoteThey are not 'Trident engine' ones. All Tridents were built with Euro 3 engines, the only E400 built with the same engine was 4698
Ohh i see. However, i can't wait to find 4837. Absolutely love her.
Quote from: BBS on November 02, 2022, 08:32:55 PMThat's the first time PN got standard E400s right?
not the first, they had the 4800-4829 batch (4799 included as that was 4816) back from 2010-2015
Quotenot the first, they had the 4800-4829 batch (4799 included as that was 4816) back from 2010-2015
And before that they had a YW 473x on loan for type training
4284, 4645 AG - withdrawn
Quote from: EK40 on November 03, 2022, 01:05:10 PMnot the first, they had the 4800-4829 batch (4799 included as that was 4816) back from 2010-2015
Think he means the later batch (4830 upwards) with different dash layout
Not a planned retirement but 4448 WN-withdrawn
4832 CV-PN
Are these incoming Enviros into PN going to allow the remaining E400MMCs to go to AG?
4771 CV-YW
4833 CV-PN
6107/6109 PN-AG
Talking to some of Westbrom engineers they are'nt impressed with ex Perrybarrs 4400s rot boxes was the term used, 20 years OLD hammered to death, fit for banger racing then the scrapper.
4989 CV-WN
Quote4989 CV-WN
Once it's repaired?
QuoteOnce it's repaired?
No. It is already at WN
6108 PN-AG
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2022, 02:45:06 PM6108 PN-AG
Any idea when all the 61xx from pensnet will be gone
QuoteAny idea when all the 61xx from pensnet will be gone
As you can see, they are all going... The remaining ones are 6101-6106
Quote from: BBS on November 17, 2022, 04:36:17 PMAs you can see, they are all going... The remaining ones are 6101-6106
Yes I know what Im just wondering roughly how long will the 61xx be at pensnet for
QuoteYes I know what Im just wondering roughly how long will the 61xx be at pensnet for
How many times does tony need to say no advance notice of transfer, either ride/photo them now or go to AG and find them...
Wish I had the time to ride buses all day...
Wish I had the time to ride buses all day...
[/quote]or watch bustimes all day then claiming to see the bus
4594 BC-WN
4488 has come to BC for repair before transfer out of PB
4990 CV-WN
E083, E106 to Coventry for service
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2022, 05:46:07 PM4990 CV-WN
E083, E106 to Coventry for service
Are they gonna debrand 4990 before it enters service
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on November 25, 2022, 05:53:09 PMAre they gonna debrand 4990 before it enters service
Nah man NXWM will leave as is punters don't read what bus they are getting on any way they see a box turn up and oh oh that's my bus.
4988 CV-WN
E080; E082 to CV for service
4995 CV-WN
4991 CV-WN
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
November fleet moves
4560 WN-Withdrawn
431 WN to PN
4491 PB - AG (out on the 72)
4764 CV-WB
4674 has now appeared on the national Express bustimes so possibly CV - AG. I will wait for confirmation though first?
6991 is in Wolverhampton surely not a transfer to Wolverhampton
Quote4674 has now appeared on the national Express bustimes so possibly CV - AG. I will wait for confirmation though first?
No, some idiot messing around
no problem thanx
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on December 11, 2022, 02:11:54 PM6991 is in Wolverhampton surely not a transfer to Wolverhampton
It hasn't tracked today, so has not been used in public service. What makes you think it has transferred?
Quote from: Stu on December 11, 2022, 04:58:15 PMIt hasn't tracked today, so has not been used in public service. What makes you think it has transferred?
It's in Wolverhampton maybe hire or loan
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2022, 12:59:32 PM431 WN to PN
Has this transferred back to WN as its currently tracking as 25?
QuoteHas this transferred back to WN as its currently tracking as 25?
On loan, as until all the drivers are trained it can't be used at PN
2091 WN-PN
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2022, 04:21:56 PMOn loan, as until all the drivers are trained it can't be used at PN
Wouldn't it be more logical to send 753 or a 84* to PN as there already type trained on E200s and with the 50 going and 27/27A surely that frees up some E200s
As per Tony's comments, we don't usually announce future transfers, however I will say that Monday will be busy.
837; 838 PN -WN
2092; 2095 WN-PN
Quote from: BN on December 19, 2022, 06:17:57 PM837; 838 PN -WN
2092; 2095 WN-PN
Presume lots of e200s from pensnet will go as from January pensnet loosing a few routes
QuotePresume lots of e200s from pensnet will go as from January pensnet loosing a few routes
It's Pensnett
PN will be gaining WA11/A and the WN7 back from wolves hence the b7s coming back. They are only losing 17/A/E, 57 and 17H. I have no idea what's happening to the 28 but I presume they are being replaced diamonds 142/A but have no idea of it's routing as it's not clear.
They have also lost the 18 along with all the 12/12A/13/13A to west Bromwich
QuoteThey have also lost the 18 along with all the 12/12A/13/13A to west Bromwich
I completely forgot about those 😂
QuoteIt's Pensnett
PN will be gaining WA11/A and the WN7 back from wolves hence the b7s coming back. They are only losing 17/A/E, 57 and 17H. I have no idea what's happening to the 28 but I presume they are being replaced diamonds 142/A but have no idea of it's routing as it's not clear.
The 142/A is covering the Withymoor side of things
834 PN-WN
2089 WN-PN
835 PN-WN
2087 WN-PN
803; 804 PN-WA
2095 WN-PN
2088 WN-PN
What depot has 4881 & 4882 gone to?
1893-97 WA-PB
4881 4882 CV-BC
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on December 21, 2022, 08:13:40 PM4881 4882 CV-BC
So they've returned to the depot they came from almost exactly 6 years ago.
4883 CV- BC
2090 WN-PN
6958; 6959 PB-WN
Full list of transfers so far this month with still quite a lot more due next week
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
BN has 2090 as moving to PN, that's missing on the NXWM fleet changes
QuoteBN has 2090 as moving to PN, that's missing on the NXWM fleet changes
refresh your page, looks like your cookies have kept an early version before I added it.
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2022, 04:34:40 PMrefresh your page, looks like your cookies have kept an early version before I added it.
2090 Still not showing on my phone or desktop - but if you've added it all good
Quote2090 Still not showing on my phone or desktop - but if you've added it all good
Strange! I did miss it when I typed the first list, and 2088 & 2089 were the wrong way around, but I corrected it after about 5 minutes and it is showing correctly on my laptop
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2022, 04:41:15 PMStrange! I did miss it when I typed the first list, and 2088 & 2089 were the wrong way around, but I corrected it after about 5 minutes and it is showing correctly on my laptop
It's just updated to show 2090 + 2088 & 2089 in correct order thanks.
Only other thing I noticed, was 4991 is listed underneath 4491
and 4417 is showing as 4471
Quoteand 4417 is showing as 4471
4417/71 was corrected at the same time as 2090. I don't know why some people are getting the previous version
Looks like 762 763 either loans or transfer for Wolverhampton
QuoteLooks like 762 763 either loans or transfer for Wolverhampton
Transfers
4768 CV-WB
QuoteIs 764 761 going to Wolverhampton with 762 763
Tony doesn't reveal future transfers, stop asking
7513; 7514 PB-BC
4529; 4532; 4533; 4534 AG - withdrawn
764 WB-WN
Quote7513; 7514 PB-BC
4529; 4532; 4533; 4534 AG - withdrawn
764 WB-WN
Quite upset to hear 4529s withdrawal, It was quite fast to see these buses getting withdrawn now.
4923; 4926 YW-BC
1909; 1948 PB-YW
1788 AG - YW
This may be a loan correct me if wrong
Quote from: BBS on December 31, 2022, 05:20:10 PM1788 AG - YW
This may be a loan correct me if wrong
What makes you say this?
QuoteWhat makes you say this?
I've read it on a Facebook Page, that 1788 was transferred. If wrong then apologies
Quote from: BBS on December 31, 2022, 06:21:43 PMI've read it on a Facebook Page, that 1788 was transferred. If wrong then apologies
No need to apologise, but you're posting 'second-hand information' which may or may not be correct.
If members who aren't Tony (or anyone who actually works for NX Bus) are going to continue posting vehicle loans or transfers, we're going to start to insist that members state where these claims are coming from.
QuoteNo need to apologise, but you're posting 'second-hand information' which may or may not be correct.
If members who aren't Tony (or anyone who actually works for NX Bus) are going to continue posting vehicle loans or transfers, we're going to start to insist that members state where these claims are coming from.
Fairs, i think there should be an eye on Facebook just to avoid any false information.
YW are having 3 Scania temporary from AG until more double deck are released by Coventry
Quote from: BBS on December 31, 2022, 06:41:19 PMFairs, i think there should be an eye on Facebook just to avoid any false information.
Or maybe just don't believe everything you read on Facebook...
Full December list now here
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
4768 missing
Not sure if transfer or loan but 753 is parked at Pensnett. Im sure Tony will clarify
QuoteNot sure if transfer or loan but 753 is parked at Pensnett. Im sure Tony will clarify
It's there because 3 of PN's short ones are currently VoR
1788; 1790 & 1792 are all temporarily transferred AG-YW
753 WN-PE
Quote1788; 1790 & 1792 are all temporarily transferred AG-YW
753 WN-PE
1789 staying at AG i see
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2023, 12:05:23 PM1788; 1790 & 1792 are all temporarily transferred AG-YW
753 WN-PE
Just as well I saw 1790 on the 17 at Tile Cross on Saturday then ......
Has 1906 transferred to YW?
731 PN-Wb possibly
Quote731 PN-WB
Posting false info again, Vehicle was even parked in pensnett garage when you posted that!
QuoteHas 1906 transferred to YW?
No, but it is on loan
1860 on 12
1906 PB-YW
It is a loan according to Tony in a previous post from the 5/1/23 not a transfer
Quote1906 PB-YW
Why do you keep inventing ficticious transfers?
It hasn't even been at YW for the last couple of days
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2023, 05:09:54 PMWhy do you keep inventing ficticious transfers?
I even answered it by saying it was a loan from the 5th Jan via a post from you and Jack enquiring
1860 has been there for almost 2 weeks now and you know this because you asked Tony how long it was going to be there for. Why do you consistently post crap on this page. Everyone is getting sick of it now as everytime you post something its either false or has already been posted before.
Quote from: cris 99 on January 07, 2023, 09:53:37 PM1860 has been there for almost 2 weeks now and you know this because you asked Tony how long it was going to be there for. Why do you consistently post crap on this page. Everyone is getting sick of it now as everytime you post something it's either false or has already been posted before.
Agreed, he's been told not to post and that only staff who work for NX should post transfers, he's not the only one who does it either though...
Quote from: cris 99 on January 07, 2023, 09:53:37 PM1860 has been there for almost 2 weeks now and you know this because you asked Tony how long it was going to be there for. Why do you consistently post crap on this page. Everyone is getting sick of it now as everytime you post something its either false or has already been posted before.
If you look hes telling people what route it's on because it dont track so leave him alone he was telling people what route 1860 was on.
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on January 08, 2023, 10:49:50 AMIf you look hes telling people what route it's on because it dont track so leave him alone he was telling people what route 1860 was on.
That's not what he originally posted about 1860, its since been edited to say it was on the 12 & is now in the wrong thread!
Its not the first time he's been pulled up for what he posts.
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on January 08, 2023, 10:49:50 AMIf you look hes telling people what route it's on because it dont track so leave him alone he was telling people what route 1860 was on.
and if you look hes posted it in the wrong place so get your facts right and dont get involved when it doesnt concern you
1889 WA-PB
1887 on transfer or a loan?
Transfer along with 1860
Quote from: cris 99 on January 17, 2023, 05:50:58 PMTransfer along with 1860
Short term transfer so could go back to Walsall soon
4834 CV-PN
4774 CV-YW
6106 PN-AG
2060 WN-TR
Possibly awaiting turn for the paintshop
2059 also now withdrawn for use as a trainer
Quote from: cris 99 on February 07, 2023, 08:08:23 PM2059 also now withdrawn for use as a trainer
2059 is still very much a wolverhampton bus, not withdrawn at all.
Quote from: BN on February 08, 2023, 08:19:03 AM2059 is still very much a wolverhampton bus, not withdrawn at all.
It was Tony that updated Bustimes with 2059's withdrawal
Quote from: winston on February 08, 2023, 01:51:08 PMIt was Tony that updated Bustimes with 2059's withdrawal
It is still at Wolverhampton for some work to be done on it, so still a Wolverhampton bus at the moment, but won't be used in service again
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2023, 02:11:38 PMIt is still at Wolverhampton for some work to be done on it, so still a Wolverhampton bus at the moment, but won't be used in service again
Maybe if people stopped reporting Bustimes updates for transfers & withdrawals & waited for you or BN instead, it wouldn't cause so much confusion....
Which garage has 4831 gone to as it shown to have transferred form Coventry on bustimes.org
QuoteWhich garage has 4831 gone to as it shown to have transferred form Coventry on bustimes.org
Pensnett
2061; 2062 WN-TR
Quote from: BN on February 14, 2023, 06:44:59 PM2061; 2062 WN-TR
Are these temporary trainers - or will they be fully converted, not to run in normal service?
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 14, 2023, 06:49:33 PMAre these temporary trainers - or will they be fully converted, not to run in normal service?
Suspect they'll be permanent training buses.
4615 BC-YW
Quote from: HARVEYCLLEE on February 13, 2023, 08:23:52 PMWhich garage has 4831 gone to as it shown to have transferred form Coventry on bustimes.org
4831 is actually at PN now, was at BC.
Seen by RHH NIS with an engineer driving
Quote from: winston on February 17, 2023, 03:34:07 PM4831 is actually at PN now, was at BC.
Seen by RHH NIS with an engineer driving
See message 5779
6102 6103 PN-AG
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 22, 2023, 12:06:45 PMI'll wait for Tony to confirm this
It's definitely transferred
As your name isn't Tony or BN you shouldn't be posting transfers now. As said on thread 5777 only those can post transfers now
Quote from: cris 99 on February 22, 2023, 01:13:06 PMAs your name isn't Tony or BN you shouldn't be posting transfers now. As said on thread 5777 only those can post transfers now
You've misread post 5777 - it was a suggestion only. In this instance it appears
@18WilliamsLi was correct as well so bravo!!
Quote6102 6103 PN-AG
Great News!
QuoteNo they need to be kept at pensnet
Why? Pensnett is getting 48** from Coventry. What's wrong with the other 28 mmcs PN has?
It's a bus that you can still see if you travel to AG...
Quote from: BK63 YWP on February 22, 2023, 07:33:40 PMWhy? Pensnett is getting 48** from Coventry. What's wrong with the other 28 mmcs PN has?
It's a bus that you can still see if you travel to AG...
The 61xx have been at pensnet for ages sad to see them get recked on 11A/C
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on February 22, 2023, 10:39:21 PMThe 61xx have been at pensnet for ages sad to see them get recked on 11A/C
They've been at AG before and will probably have a refurb soon. Not being funny but they are in a similar state to those at AG so won't make much difference 😭😂
QuoteNo they need to be kept at pensnet
No they don't why would they have to be kept at pensnett when AG needs them.
Quote from: BBS on February 22, 2023, 04:44:08 PMGreat News!
just 6101, 6104 & 6105 to go before AG has all of them
Quotejust 6101, 6104 & 6105 to go before AG has all of them
These are coming to probably replace the Geminis that have been withdrawn. However that doesn't sound enough to replace all the Geminis.
Quote from: BBS on February 24, 2023, 04:36:59 PMThese are coming to probably replace the Geminis that have been withdrawn. However that doesn't sound enough to replace all the Geminis.
Unless they're in line to get some of the Coventry Platinum buses that haven't as yet moved.......
QuoteUnless they're in line to get some of the Coventry Platinum buses that haven't as yet moved.......
Don't think they will, I'm guessing their going Wolverhampton along with the rest /
Quote from: BBS on February 24, 2023, 04:36:59 PMThese are coming to probably replace the Geminis that have been withdrawn. However that doesn't sound enough to replace all the Geminis.
The only buses that need to be replaced in the short-term are the non-Euro6 ones, due to TfWM requirements coming into effect from May 2023.
Quote from: Stu on February 26, 2023, 07:37:43 PMThe only buses that need to be replaced in the short-term are the non-Euro6 ones, due to TfWM requirements coming into effect from May 2023.
Thats about 23 buses (according to bus times) at AG to be withdrawn in the next 2 months then assuming that day is met.
Possible blue E400 to another garage and then platinums to AG perhaps.
QuoteThats about 23 buses (according to bus times) at AG to be withdrawn in the next 2 months then assuming that day is met.
Possible blue E400 to another garage and then platinums to AG perhaps.
Can't AG have the Blue E400 themselves? They had a couple E400 loans from BC once
Quote from: BBS on February 26, 2023, 09:50:37 PMCan't AG have the Blue E400 themselves? They had a couple E400 loans from BC once
It would mean introducing a new type to a depot, training all the drivers etc. Whereas the drivers are already trained on MMC's, maybe the MMC's could go to WB and the Euro 6 46** Gems move to AG.
QuoteIt would mean introducing a new type to a depot, training all the drivers etc. Whereas the drivers are already trained on MMC's, maybe the MMC's could go to WB and the Euro 6 46** Gems move to AG.
I'd absolutely love those 46** Geminis making a return to AG, but again it's up to Tony. The Coventry Mmc are most likely heading for Wolverhampton in my opinion to follow their sisters, not sure about them 75** at Coventry though
Quote from: BBS on February 26, 2023, 11:40:21 PMI'd absolutely love those 46** Geminis making a return to AG, but again it's up to Tony. The Coventry Mmc are most likely heading for Wolverhampton in my opinion to follow their sisters, not sure about them 75** at Coventry though
5 of the ex Coventry platinums went to Perry Barr replacing Gemini there. Often see them on the 14.
And of course only Tony/NX know where those Coventry MMC are "most likely" heading to.
WA2116 was on WN1 today, is this a loan or transfer?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 27, 2023, 12:45:09 PMWA2116 was on WN1 today, is this a loan or transfer?
loan along with 4752
4752 is back at Pensnett today, did the 16 from Wombourne to Stourbridge and now on DY6.
Quote from: Stu on February 26, 2023, 07:37:43 PMThe only buses that need to be replaced in the short-term are the non-Euro6 ones, due to TfWM requirements coming into effect from May 2023.
That will be interesting. That's only three months away and by my calculations there are currently around 40 more non E6 double deckers than can be replaced by the E6 double deckers still to be cascaded from Coventry - although replacing some with Coventry single deckers could be an option and if all the Hydrogens can be utilised daily that will also help.
Quote from: 2206 on February 26, 2023, 08:00:47 PMThats about 23 buses (according to bus times) at AG to be withdrawn in the next 2 months then assuming that day is met.
Possible blue E400 to another garage and then platinums to AG perhaps.
Cannot see AG getting Platinums, they seem to not want more than 11 there right now, there seems to have been a tendancy for a while now, for AG to mostly get older cascaded vehicles, seems strange that both YW & BC get the newest and AG get the oldest im sure there is a reason, but at the moment it seems a mystery
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on March 01, 2023, 06:43:59 PMCannot see AG getting Platinums, they seem to not want more than 11 there right now, there seems to have been a tendancy for a while now, for AG to mostly get older cascaded vehicles, seems strange that both YW & BC get the newest and AG get the oldest im sure there is a reason, but at the moment it seems a mystery
At present BC and PB both have and require a fully euro 6 fleet, wheras until May 2023 AG/YW doesn't require that. For quite a long time now buses that can't run into the City Centre have been used on routes like the 11/1/72 and 18/49/76.
But BC also has euro 6 19/20 year old tridents, so they do still have some of the oldest buses in the fleet to as well as some of the newest. And also AG have the 61XX 22XX MMC.
4443 - withdrawn
QuoteAt present BC and PB both have and require a fully euro 6 fleet, wheras until May 2023 AG/YW doesn't require that. For quite a long time now buses that can't run into the City Centre have been used on routes like the 11/1/72 and 18/49/76.
But BC also has euro 6 19/20 year old tridents, so they do still have some of the oldest buses in the fleet to as well as some of the newest. And also AG have the 61XX 22XX MMC.
Will the E400mmc and 200mmc be enough for all their routes though?
QuoteCannot see AG getting Platinums, they seem to not want more than 11 there right now, there seems to have been a tendancy for a while now, for AG to mostly get older cascaded vehicles, seems strange that both YW & BC get the newest and AG get the oldest im sure there is a reason, but at the moment it seems a mystery
Back when 7515-7528 were transferred to AG and moved back after 5 months, along with 6955-6957 coming and going after a month. Doesn't seem like they need those newer platinums
4990 seen in Birmingham just - unsure if potential transfer
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 02, 2023, 03:29:31 PM4990 seen in Birmingham just - unsure if potential transfer
It's currently on the 59
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 02, 2023, 03:29:31 PM4990 seen in Birmingham just - unsure if potential transfer
You haven't seen 4990 on Birmingham
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 02, 2023, 03:29:31 PM4990 seen in Birmingham just - unsure if potential transfer
According to Bustimes.org she's been on 59s in Wolves and was tracking as such until an hour ago. You might have seen 4980 which was on the 74.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 02, 2023, 03:29:31 PM4990 seen in Birmingham just - unsure if potential transfer
Are you sure it was this number
Quote from: karl724223 on March 02, 2023, 04:23:42 PMAre you sure it was this number
Possibly saw 4980 which has been on 74s.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 02, 2023, 04:21:05 PMAccording to Bustimes.org she's been on 59s in Wolves and was tracking as such until an hour ago. You might have seen 4980 which was on the 74.
4980 is a completely different colour to 4990
Quote from: winston on March 02, 2023, 04:27:35 PM4980 is a completely different colour to 4990
and 4980 carries Soho Road branding, so clearly not a transfer.
4992 CV to WN
Quote from: BNH2004 on March 02, 2023, 03:32:12 PMIt's currently on the 59
And is still on there now so I don't know what bus Trident 4194 saw.
He might have seen 4992 on its way to Wolverhampton
Possibly.
4984 CV-WN
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2023, 04:46:53 PM4992 CV to WN
Was you driving this on the day posted? And if so did you drive through Birmingham past the bullring? I thought it was you Driving the bus I posted about.
Has 4884 transferred to Birmingham central
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on March 07, 2023, 08:03:49 AMHas 4884 transferred to Birmingham central
It hasn't transferred anywhere it is in paint
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2023, 08:17:01 AMIt hasn't transferred anywhere it is in paint
It's off covertry fleet list
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on March 07, 2023, 11:11:16 AMIt's off covertry fleet list
It's off Coventry list & gone straight in to paint, as Tony has already said
QuoteIt's off covertry fleet list
Maybe it's awaiting it's repaint/refurb then a decision will be made where it's going. Why do you need to know now? Patience is a virtue, as Tony says he doesn't announce advance changes.
Quote from: winston on March 07, 2023, 11:13:51 AMIt's off Coventry list & gone straight in to paint, as Tony has already said
Yes, it will be at least 4 weeks until it reappears as that is when we hope the new spray booth will be ready, so even if I said today's thoughts that might change before it emerges
Nobody noticed 4891 has transferred to BC and is out on the 97?
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2023, 06:04:13 PMNobody noticed 4891 has transferred to BC and is out on the 97?
Given what's transferred across already, educated guess that all of 4881-4894 will eventually move to BC to displace Tridents, leaving BC with a large batch from 4871 to 4949.
(I know you can't provide info on future transfers so this isn't a question, just my musings).
6104 PN-AG
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on March 14, 2023, 07:52:53 AM6104 PN-AG
Fake news. It is currently at pensnett and has been off the road for the last 5 days. Please STOP posting guesses on here
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2023, 08:02:06 AMFake news. It is currently at pensnett and has been off the road for the last 5 days. Please STOP posting guesses on here
I thought I saw it on 11
QuoteI thought I saw it on 11
You saw 6109 not 6104
Quote from: BBS on March 14, 2023, 04:07:36 PMYou saw 6109 not 6104
You don't know what I saw definitely wasn't 6109
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on March 14, 2023, 04:18:35 PMYou don't know what I saw definitely wasn't 6109
Nor you don't by the look of it
You saw a bus in service that's dead at pensnett😂
7539 CV to AG
QuoteYou don't know what I saw definitely wasn't 6109
Then why don't you actually stop making false claims and wait for tony or anyone else to announce it
Quote7539 CV to AG
These don't last long at AG and seem to move to other garages
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2023, 04:30:08 PM7539 CV to AG
Right, here is a prediction (not fake news!),
If the remaining Platinums from CV are transferred to AG (6951-4, 6965-7, 7540/1), could that lead to 6701-10 to go to WA to keep the 6701-58 batch in one place
OR
Could the remaining Platinums from CV be for the 4 and 4A
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 14, 2023, 06:42:04 PMRight, here is a prediction (not fake news!), If the remaining Platinums from CV are transferred to AG (6951-4, 6965-7, 7540/1), could that lead to 6701-10 to go to WA to keep the 6701-58 batch in one place
OR
Could the remaining Platinums from CV be for the 4 and 4A
The 4/4A is largely single deck. Maybe it will be Platinums in, Gemini withdrawn.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 14, 2023, 06:42:04 PMRight, here is a prediction (not fake news!), If the remaining Platinums from CV are transferred to AG (6951-4, 6965-7, 7540/1), could that lead to 6701-10 to go to WA to keep the 6701-58 batch in one place
OR
Could the remaining Platinums from CV be for the 4 and 4A
Possible but as AG still have 23 Non-Euro6 which are supposed to be gone by May I would guess 7539-41 as being additions, rather than replacements for other Euro 6 vehicles. Maybe if YW get electrics, 7534-7538 may follow? I know guess work is not always favoured on here so I'll bail out.
Quote from: cardew on March 14, 2023, 06:55:48 PMI know guess work is not always favoured on here so I'll bail out.
"Guess work" is fine and acceptable as long as you make it clear that you're guessing or speculating.
It is the posting stuff "as fact" by certain members which is becoming annoying.
QuoteRight, here is a prediction (not fake news!), If the remaining Platinums from CV are transferred to AG (6951-4, 6965-7, 7540/1), could that lead to 6701-10 to go to WA to keep the 6701-58 batch in one place
OR
Could the remaining Platinums from CV be for the 4 and 4A
Wouldn't it make sense to move 6965-6967 to Perry Barr since the rest are there? Maybe as Cardew Said, 7534-7538 could follow along but with Coventrys E400s that Yardley Wood are Getting
Quote from: BBS on March 14, 2023, 11:46:32 PMWouldn't it make sense to move 6965-6967 to Perry Barr since the rest are there? Maybe as Cardew Said, 7534-7538 could follow along but with Coventrys E400s that Yardley Wood are Getting
Does Perry Barr have any non-Euro6 vehicles that need replacing?
It makes more sense to transfer in Euro6 vehicles to replace non-Euro6 vehicles that need to be off the road before May.
4616 BC-YW
QuoteDoes Perry Barr have any non-Euro6 vehicles that need replacing?
It makes more sense to transfer in Euro6 vehicles to replace non-Euro6 vehicles that need to be off the road before May.
I'm not too sure what types of buses PB have but are those Scania double deckers Euro 6?
4892 CV-BC
Quote from: Stu on March 15, 2023, 07:26:17 AMDoes Perry Barr have any non-Euro6 vehicles that need replacing.
Every bus at Perry Barr is euro 6 as all the double deck routes run into the City and Omnilinks are euro 6 as well.
No doubt if I don't post this someone will see it on Bus times within 5 minutes.
4661; 4663 CV - withdrawn
4994 CV -WN
6101 PN-AG
4769 CV-WB
Where's the confirmation of 4769 transfer? Nobody believes your transfers anymore
Quote from: cris 99 on March 17, 2023, 04:17:57 PMWhere's the confirmation of 4769 transfer
Looks like the info could be from bustimes as its parked in west brom according to the tracking
Quote from: cris 99 on March 17, 2023, 04:17:57 PMWhere's the confirmation of 4769 transfer? Nobody believes your transfers anymore
Someone has changed it on Bus times as well with a comment that tracking proves the transfer. It does nothing of the sort as I regularly move vehicles to other garages for repairs.
In this case it is a transfer, but it was all guesswork it could have been coming to the body bay at WB who do a lot of repairs for other garages. I will probably be driving 4887 from CV to WA on Monday, but that's not a transfer
My point exactly Tony the only people I trust on transfers is either you or BN. Yes I have posted transfers myself off bustimes but that's only because it was yourself that did it.
@18WilliamsLi Everyone's asked you already stop posting transfers and let people who are most known to let them announce it
Quote from: BBS on March 17, 2023, 04:45:09 PM@18WilliamsLi Everyone's asked you already stop posting transfers and let people who are most known to let them announce it
@BBS its not a rule and people have always posted observations on the forum - I agree Bustimes is not a good source to assume a transfer but getting info early is always useful - which may not be possible for official channels to do - maybe it's best to query whether it's a transfer or loan, as some people have done in the past and not to rely on Bustimes?
@Tony is 4887 going to the body shop at WA?
Quote from: don on March 17, 2023, 05:53:26 PM@BBS its not a rule and people have always posted observations on the forum - I agree Bustimes is not a good source to assume a transfer but getting info early is always useful - which may not be possible for official channels to do - maybe it's best to query whether it's a transfer or loan, as some people have done in the past and not to rely on Bustimes?
@Tony is 4887 going to the body shop at WA?
It will actually go to Aldridge first for a chassis clean and wax, and then it will get a refurb
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2023, 06:00:36 PMIt will actually go to Aldridge first for a chassis clean and wax, and then it will get a refurb
Thanks
@Tony
4769 CV-WB
4445 WN-withdrawn
4838 CV - PN
Quote from: BN on February 14, 2023, 06:44:59 PM2061; 2062 WN-TR
Has 2063 and 2064 joined 2059 - 2062 in the training fleet as they've been withdrawn from the bustimes list?
Quote from: BNH2004 on March 23, 2023, 06:17:06 PMHas 2063 and 2064 joined 2059 - 2062 in the training fleet as they've been withdrawn from the bustimes list?
Yes
4840 CV - WN
E094 to Coventry for service
4835 CV-PN
Have 6104-5 transferred to AG yet? They haven't tracked on bustimes recently.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 06, 2023, 12:48:24 PMHave 6104-5 transferred to AG yet? They haven't tracked on bustimes recently.
6104 has 6105 not yet
6105 PN-AG
Quote from: BN on April 07, 2023, 03:19:47 PM6105 PN-AG
Finally got all the Crimson MMCs together
Quote from: busboy31 on April 07, 2023, 10:24:38 PMFinally got all the Crimson MMCs together
Nope, 6137 isn't with them
E124 to CV
4773 CV to WB
4659 AG - withdrawn
Quote from: busboy31 on April 07, 2023, 10:24:38 PMFinally got all the Crimson MMCs together
did i miss something, i thought 6102 / 6103 have yet to move
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on April 11, 2023, 06:36:41 PMdid i miss something, i thought 6102 / 6103 have yet to move
They have moved
QuoteThey have moved
They have been moved to AG for a while now
4617 BC-YW
Quote from: Tony on April 13, 2023, 11:55:56 AM4617 BC-YW
How many tridents do we have left at BC now Tony?
Quote from: dw1308 on April 13, 2023, 03:15:36 PMHow many tridents do we have left at BC now Tony?
19 left I think with the loss of 4617.
9 44XX 10 46XX.
When did 4618 move ?
Quote from: cris 99 on April 13, 2023, 03:39:32 PMWhen did 4618 move ?
Typo. I meant 4617 sorry.
Though it wouldn't be surprising if it joins the others at Yardley Wood soon to.
1949 YW-WB
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2023, 09:00:59 AM1949 YW-WB
The cleaning notice is correct again. :grin:
Quote from: Stu on April 17, 2023, 06:51:27 PMThe cleaning notice is correct again. :grin:
Out of curiosity, why wasn't the cleaning notice a generic one, rather than for individual depots, as presumably things at the time were on a tight schedule, plus the message would have to be changed on every transfer?
Don't forget previous attempts to localise branding didn't last in the long run.
Quote from: Westy on April 17, 2023, 11:31:00 PMOut of curiosity, why wasn't the cleaning notice a generic one, rather than for individual depots, as presumably things at the time were on a tight schedule, plus the message would have to be changed on every transfer?
Don't forget previous attempts to localise branding didn't last in the long run.
It's all psychological. We all in this together. We, the local community care about local community. We're going to clean your buses and make you safe.
Local branding and signs much more personal, and while I appreciate nwm as very large fleet these signs could easily be removed or replaced
2065 WN-training
2066 WN-training
2110; 2111 WA to WN
4830 CV-PN
Quote from: BN on May 16, 2023, 01:41:56 PM4830 CV-PN
is 4886 following suit? hasn't tracked in almost a month
Quote from: Danthebusman on May 16, 2023, 02:21:40 PMis 4886 following suit? hasn't tracked in almost a month
Given that 4881-4 and 4887/91/92 have already moved to BC, my educated guess would be that 4886 will eventually end up there too.
E108; E114 into service @ CV
4839 CV-WN
4539 WN-YW
Ive always wondered, (Excluding Euro 6 etc)
how are decisions made on
A) which bus is moving
B) where a bus moves from / too ?
(going back a bit now but 2979 - 2983 AG - CV)
just curious
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on May 30, 2023, 02:30:04 PMIve always wondered, (Excluding Euro 6 etc)
how are decisions made on
A) which bus is moving
B) where a bus moves from / too ?
(going back a bit now but 2979 - 2983 AG - CV)
just curious
@Tony decides - such is his power and influence :wink:
Quote from: Wumpty on May 30, 2023, 06:12:10 PM@Tony decides - such is his power and influence :wink:
Yes, It is based on several factors. The main one is to keep as few vehicle types, even sub-types, at each garage. You will see some swaps happening in the next week to eliminate a sub type from a garage.
If possible I will always try to keep fleetnumber blocks together on newer buses. When garages were told to 'move 3 Metrobuses' you could guarantee the three ropiest buses moved, by choosing by fleetnumber shows no preference between garages.
Other things can decide some moves. for instance YW needed a bus to replace 4544, but with nothing immediately available from Coventry 4539, which was due to be withdrawn, moved from WN to see out the last three months of its MoT until something better can be found.
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on May 30, 2023, 02:30:04 PMIve always wondered, (Excluding Euro 6 etc)
how are decisions made on
A) which bus is moving
B) where a bus moves from / too ?
(going back a bit now but 2979 - 2983 AG - CV)
just curious
This transfer was to allow AG 37 to become lynx operation.
2979 - 2983 3068 AG - CV
1239/40 1270 -1273 WT - AG
2087 PN-WN
2110 WN-PN
Quote from: BN on May 31, 2023, 07:31:58 AM2087 PN-WN
2110 WN-PN
2110 seems to be getting around. Moved from Walsall recently to Wolverhampton and now moving again to Pensnett.
6955; 6956 WN-WB
4979; 4981 WB-WN
Quote from: BN on May 31, 2023, 03:11:09 PM6955; 6956 WN-WB
4979; 4981 WB-WN
Presuming 74 branded batch to wolv to make Wolverhampton have most of 49xx and then west brom have platuim for 74 and for 87
QuotePresuming 74 branded batch to wolv to make Wolverhampton have most of 49xx and then west brom have platuim for 74 and for 87
De-platinuming the 529, 8 and X8?? Doubt it
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 31, 2023, 03:57:38 PMDe-platinuming the 529, 8 and X8?? Doubt it
No not 67xx I mean 69xx 6955 to 6959
I don't think 4 extra platinums will be enough for the 74
Quote from: cris 99 on May 31, 2023, 05:24:34 PMI don't think 4 extra platinums will be enough for the 74
Well if pb give 6960 to 6964 to wb and covertry give 6965 6966 6967 to wb
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 31, 2023, 05:27:16 PMWell if pb give 6960 to 6964 to wb
But they're not and even that would be nowhere near enough for the 74
Full list of May moves now on the main site
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
QuoteFull list of May moves now on the main site
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
1801 withdrawn? I'm guessing this is due to a rotten Chassis?
6957; 6958 WN-WB
4982 WB-WN
Quote from: PB2938 on May 30, 2023, 07:52:30 PMThis transfer was to allow AG 37 to become lynx operation.
2979 - 2983 3068 AG - CV
1239/40 1270 -1273 WT - AG
you missed the point that was an example, what i was after is how do decide Bus (A) is to be transferred, why not Bus (B) or (C) is it a mileage thing ?
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on June 01, 2023, 07:25:24 PMyou missed the point that was an example, what i was after is how do decide Bus (A) is to be transferred, why not Bus (B) or (C) is it a mileage thing ?
I explained that
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2023, 06:22:51 PMYes, It is based on several factors. The main one is to keep as few vehicle types, even sub-types, at each garage. You will see some swaps happening in the next week to eliminate a sub type from a garage.
If possible I will always try to keep fleetnumber blocks together on newer buses. When garages were told to 'move 3 Metrobuses' you could guarantee the three ropiest buses moved, by choosing by fleetnumber shows no preference between garages.
Other things can decide some moves. for instance YW needed a bus to replace 4544, but with nothing immediately available from Coventry 4539, which was due to be withdrawn, moved from WN to see out the last three months of its MoT until something better can be found.
thank you thats exactly what i wanted to know, so going back a few years (not so far) 4573 BU04 BJX was working the 126, my wife was injured on this vehicle (this is not a claim) we contacted Wolverhampton Garage and was told they did not have the bus its not one of there's, we presented the ticket, they then said they did have 4573 but she was in garage off the road all week, when i sent the photograph of the bus they admitted 4573 was on the road and on the 126, but the video was not working so they were unwilling to discuss matters further - from then on 4573 was not seen over here and very quickly transferred to WA - we gave up in the end, all i actually wanted was an apology anyway, i was wondering if you could shed any light on why 4573 was transferred so quickly.
as i said before its not a claim 4573 was probably not very old from what i remember (2005 maybe) just tidying up a loose end thats always bugged me
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on June 01, 2023, 07:25:24 PMyou missed the point that was an example, what i was after is how do decide Bus (A) is to be transferred, why not Bus (B) or (C) is it a mileage thing ?
my bad
4573 was moved, along with all the other 45xx to Yardley Wood, swapped with 43xx along with many other 45xx because they were the newest Tridents and Yardley Wood needed buses to have exhaust traps fitted and it was far more sensible to fit 45xx than 43xx
2088 PN-WN
2111 WN-PN
I believe 4905 has gone to Wolverhampton today for the pride festival
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Quote from: mrboshell on June 02, 2023, 07:16:18 PMI believe 4905 has gone to Wolverhampton today for the pride festival
Correct, done the wheels too.
Quote from: BN on June 02, 2023, 09:30:10 PM[url="https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=4205;type=preview;file"]image.jpg[/url]Correct, done the wheels too.
Thought so, BC training was trying to find it yesterday! Didn't realise it went to Wolverhampton
6959 WN-WB
4980 WB-WN
Can we please get back to the original use of this thread please?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on June 05, 2023, 10:31:18 AMCan we please get back to the original use of this thread please?
Yes, I agree, thank you!
Is 6955 to 6959 tempory transfers or long term transfer or permanent transfer
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 06, 2023, 09:22:22 PMIs 6955 to 6959 tempory transfers or long term transfer or permanent transfer
Is that really important?
QuoteIs 6955 to 6959 tempory transfers or long term transfer or permanent transfer
Seriously mate, after all the nagging you had and now you're asking stupid questions
Quote from: Jack on June 06, 2023, 09:26:26 PMIs that really important?
Yes I need to know how long they are there for
The only person that knows that is Tony himself and after what you said about him the other day you will be lucky to get an answer. And if I remember correctly I said you would want information from him soon enough and you said ' I will find out myself ' so nows your chance
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 06, 2023, 09:51:50 PMYes I need to know how long they are there for
You'll see how long they are there until whenever they may be transferred out...
@WilliamsLi, @gentlemen - it wouldn't surprise me if the Coventry batch end up at West Bromwich - they have a largish number of non Euro 6 Geminis to get rid of and Scanias - and the next batch of Platinums is already allocated to West Brom so a fairly good bet. As for converting the 74, I would have thought there are other West Brom routes which would be contenders.
They will be there for as long as they're need at WB, or until they are needed elsewhere.
A spotter does not 'need' to know how long a bus will be anywhere.
Quote from: don on June 07, 2023, 09:28:20 AM@WilliamsLi, @gentlemen - it wouldn't surprise me if the Coventry batch end up at West Bromwich - they have a largish number of non Euro 6 Geminis to get rid of and Scanias - and the next batch of Platinums is already allocated to West Brom so a fairly good bet. As for converting the 74, I would have thought there are other West Brom routes which would be contenders.
80 maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on June 07, 2023, 10:05:19 AM80 maybe?
Yeah - my thought as well
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2023, 09:37:27 AMThey will be there for as long as they're need at WB, or until they are needed elsewhere.
A spotter does not 'need' to know how long a bus will be anywhere.
Enthusiasts don't 'need' to know anything, but we would all love to know everything as soon as possible, if not before!!!!
Quote from: don on June 07, 2023, 10:27:07 AMYeah - my thought as well
Enthusiasts don't 'need' to know anything, but we would all love to know everything as soon as possible, if not before!!!!
From a drivers perspective we don't care how long a vehicle is at a particular garage for as long as its got wheels and good tyres and no defects we just do our walk round checks and hit the road
4886, 4888 to BC
Any idea if 4978 due to go to Wolverhampton
some of the 69xx buses on the Dudley Road corridor are in a god awful state, grafitti & particularly etching i think its called, i think it was 6984 i saw that was especially bad, but i may have the number wrong, been a busy week to & from Hospital visiting the Mrs
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on June 15, 2023, 05:52:22 PMsome of the 69xx buses on the Dudley Road corridor are in a god awful state, grafitti & particularly etching i think its called, i think it was 6984 i saw that was especially bad, but i may have the number wrong, been a busy week to & from Hospital visiting the Mrs
6984 isn't bad at all 6968 is the worst one moaning about them it's on every route get over it atleast nobody is setting them on fire like 6988
QuoteAny idea if 4978 due to go to Wolverhampton
Tony has said several times before no advance warnings of transfers. With Coventry getting more charging points Tony has said on FB that diesel double deckers will be gone from CV within next few weeks.
4993 CV-WN (on loan, as posted)
4772 CV-WB (on loan at BC)
2174 CV-AG
4841 CV-WN
Quote2174 CV-AG
4841 CV-WN
AG previously had those B7RLE Urban 2 haven't they
Quote from: BBS on June 16, 2023, 03:52:25 PMAG previously had those B7RLE Urban 2 haven't they
2099 - 2123 have ran from AG. For the 71/72.
Not the same batch.
Quote2099 - 2123 have ran from AG. For the 71/72.
Not the same batch.
Oh right, they just have experience with these. Can't wait to go on them again :)
Quote from: BN on June 16, 2023, 10:04:55 AM4993 CV-WN (on loan, as posted)
Now arrived at WN
4630; 4631 BC-WN
4561 WN-Withdrawn
Is 6713/14 on loan to bc or transferred?
Quote from: Trident4590 on June 24, 2023, 06:04:16 AMIs 6713/14 on loan to bc or transferred?
Neither, they are Walsall buses on Cricket extras, but at BC to save mileage
Has 4664 transferred to AG
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 27, 2023, 08:39:13 PMHas 4664 transferred to AG
No? And i'm sure you would know if it had just by looking on vegweb...
QuoteHas 4664 transferred to AG
You do know Tony said before only 4667,4672 & 4675 are going AG. Your only 13 so it's obvious you woudnt understand
Quote from: BBS on June 28, 2023, 12:14:00 AMYou do know Tony said before only 4667,4672 & 4675 are going AG. Your only 13 so it's obvious you woudnt understand
Again I'm not 13 and secondly I've heard that 4664 had gone so just wanted to see if this was true but obviously not
4558 WN-Withdrawn
Is 2171 at AG or gone back to coverty in the grey.
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 28, 2023, 03:56:20 PMIs 2171 at AG or gone back to coverty in the grey.
AG? Like the other 217* are?
Quote from: Jack on June 28, 2023, 03:57:18 PMAG? Like the other 217* are?
Well Tony mixes everything around so how do you expect me to know!
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 28, 2023, 03:56:20 PMIs 2171 at AG or gone back to coverty in the grey.
On Tony's "away from home" list it's stated as being in paint
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 28, 2023, 03:58:34 PMWell Tony mixes everything around so how do you expect me to know!
Then be patient like everyone else.
@Jack I thought you were in Manchester these days?!! 😀
It's pretty likely 2171 will end up at AG given 2174 is involved in driver familiarisation there (unless I've misunderstood previous posts).
Quote@Jack I thought you were in Manchester these days?!! 😀
It's pretty likely 2171 will end up at AG given 2174 is involved in driver familiarisation there (unless I've misunderstood previous posts).
Judging from what I've heard, they're replacing the scania's. In total, AG has around 11 scania's. Which means around 11 B7RLEs should come unless Tony has thought of a different strategy
Acocks Green has 15 scanias
QuoteAcocks Green has 15 scanias
Does that include the withdrawn ones?
Quote from: BBS on June 29, 2023, 06:17:43 PMDoes that include the withdrawn ones?
According to the active fleet list shown on BusTimes, AG has 15 Scanias.
Full list of June moves on the main site (not expecting anything to happen tomorrow!)
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
2171 CV - AG
4772 has now arrived at WB after the loan spell at BC
4626 BC - YW
4842, 4985 CV to WN
4885, 4889 CV to BC
Happening today
6965 CV - WB
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2023, 06:45:46 PM6965 CV - WB
Do you think it will be out tomorrow and will it track straight away
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 14, 2023, 06:57:06 PMDo you think it will be out tomorrow and will it track straight away
Just be patient!
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 14, 2023, 06:57:06 PMDo you think it will be out tomorrow and will it track straight away
Won't be out tomorrow, it is currently at BC until I bring it over tomorrow afternoon.
No it won't track immediately, while transfers between the other 8 garages will as they are on the same database, Coventry are on a separate one
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2023, 07:02:28 PMWon't be out tomorrow, it is currently at BC until I bring it over tomorrow afternoon.
No it won't track immediately, while transfers between the other 8 garages will as they are on the same database, Coventry are on a separate one
Okay thank you probably take a couple of weeks then to track
With Wolverhampton being fully euro 6. I assume the new transfers into West Brom will prioritise the replace of their non-euro 6 - 45**s , and the 49**s will not be leaving west brom anytime soon.
6951/54 CV - AG
Quote from: Owen on August 14, 2023, 09:16:55 PMWith Wolverhampton being fully euro 6. I assume the new transfers into West Brom will prioritise the replace of their non-euro 6 - 45**s , and the 49**s will not be leaving west brom anytime soon.
I know the 49s are not leaving soon there only 9 year old but I don't think 44s 45s 46s have to long now
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 15, 2023, 11:27:09 AMI know the 49s are not leaving soon there only 9 year old but I don't think 44s 45s 46s have to long now
The Euro 6 ones are staying as well for a while so its only non Euro 6 atm, that has been said how many times...
Apparently 6954 has gone to AG aswell
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 15, 2023, 01:40:41 PMApparently 6954 has gone to AG aswell
No, 6954 has gone to AG instead of 6952
6965 now at WB.
4842; 4885; 4889: 4985; 6951; 6965 Should all track later this week
Quote from: Tony on August 15, 2023, 04:05:13 PM6965 now at WB.
4842; 4885; 4889: 4985; 6951; 6965 Should all track later this week
Guessing more platuims to go to West brom 6966 6967 to match 6968 but I know you cannot say what happens in future
Are the influx of platinums at WB to allow another service to go platinum, or just to strength the 82/87?
Quote6965 now at WB.
4842; 4885; 4889: 4985; 6951; 6965 Should all track later this week
6954 missed out?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 15, 2023, 04:37:11 PMAre the influx of platinums at WB to allow another service to go platinum, or just to strength the 82/87?
I presume its to make 82/87 fully platuim and so that wb have another buses for September seems like they put platuims on 5 74 and 80 regularly
Quote from: BBS on August 15, 2023, 04:40:03 PM6954 missed out?
Because I wasn't expecting it to go today, so not sure whether the update will be done in time
are 6966 and 6967 likely to follow 6965
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 15, 2023, 04:37:11 PMAre the influx of platinums at WB to allow another service to go platinum, or just to strength the 82/87?
Or just because WB have the second highest number of Euro3 buses to oust, any Euro6 buses they can get will help and 6965-6967 fit in with their existing fleet.
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 15, 2023, 04:37:11 PMAre the influx of platinums at WB to allow another service to go platinum, or just to strength the 82/87?
The whole purpose of the current series of transfers is so that non-Euro6 vehicles can be withdrawn.
At this point in time, its not really about upgrading particular services - Tony knows what needs removing, what is available, and where best for those vehicles to go.
Quote from: Stu on August 15, 2023, 07:02:28 PMThe whole purpose of the current series of transfers is so that non-Euro6 vehicles can be withdrawn.
At this point in time, its not really about upgrading particular services - Tony knows what needs removing, what is available, and where best for those vehicles to go.
This will likely replace 4516 which hasn't been out for 7 weeks anyway
Quote from: Tony on August 15, 2023, 07:09:20 PMThis will likely replace 4516 which hasn't been out for 7 weeks anyway
Presume 45s are getting more problems now due to ages wear and tear as I've noticed lots of black smoke coming out of a lot of them
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 15, 2023, 07:30:25 PMPresume 45s are getting more problems now due to ages wear and tear as I've noticed lots of black smoke coming out of a lot of them
If you mean the exhaust smoke that's usual, they all used to let out smoke before they most of them got traps...
Quote from: Jack on August 15, 2023, 07:42:38 PMIf you mean the exhaust smoke that's usual, they all used to let out smoke before they most of them got traps...
Ohh okay thought it wasn't meant to do that thanks for telling me
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 15, 2023, 07:30:25 PMPresume 45s are getting more problems now due to ages wear and tear as I've noticed lots of black smoke coming out of a lot of them
As Tony has said somewhere non compliant buses that need money spending on them will die.
come September there will be PVR increase to the 87s board count so more bags of shite (platiums) required
2167 CV - AG
Quote2167 CV - AG
Is the branding going to be stripped immediately after arrival?
I would imagine so they aren't that short of buses as 2171 74 haven't been out for a few days
2166 CV -AG
Not physically moved yet, but transferred on the system
1795; 1796 AG-WB
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2023, 06:00:50 PMNot physically moved yet, but transferred on the system
1795; 1796 AG-WB
Assuming these are 1945/46's replacements? Whens 1948 going to return to WB?
Quote from: Jack on August 17, 2023, 08:20:06 PMAssuming these are 1945/46's replacements? Whens 1948 going to return to WB?
YW need transfers in, not out
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2023, 08:23:13 PMYW need transfers in, not out
Really? I think they need something better than ex BC Tridents that have seen better days...
Quote from: Jack on August 17, 2023, 08:31:39 PMReally? I think they need something better than ex BC Tridents that have seen better days...
Tony knows best I've noticed good job recently keep good work up 4765 which is in paint has a really loud squeky rattle when moving all the drivers are complaining about it I think it's the doors anyway you can report it to get fixed
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 17, 2023, 08:37:32 PMTony knows best I've noticed good job recently keep good work up 4765 which is in paint has a really loud squeky rattle when moving all the drivers are complaining about it I think it's the doors anyway you can report it to get fixed
Oh you really have changed your tune haven't you!
Apparently you knew better than him a few weeks ago!
4894 CV - BC
6967 Cv-wb
Just saw 6967 on Gads lane West Bromwich.
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 21, 2023, 10:53:36 AM6967 Cv-wb
Just saw 6967 on Gads lane West Bromwich.
Possible replacement for 6988?
831 PN-WN
6955 to 6959 have come after 6988 so doubt its a replacement for that bus it's probably due to the 45s going soon and west brom being short of buses
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 21, 2023, 10:53:36 AM6967 Cv-wb
Just saw 6967 on Gads lane West Bromwich.
@Tony mentioned in the Coventry thread that the remaining Platinums and E400s, possibly some E200s and B7RLEs are likely to move imminently (and 4450 be withdrawn this week).
Quote from: Tony on 20/08/2023, 16:38:22The Trident will be off this week.One E400 is at Miller Street for engine work, the other should head to BC next week, two E400MMCs are on Blind games contract, but it's possible all 6 will be gone this week along with a couple of E200s and some B7RLEs.
6952 CV - AG
4450 CV - WA for the final couple of weeks of its life!
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2023, 01:39:19 PM6952 CV - AG
4450 CV - WA for the final couple of weeks of its life!
Would I be correct in thinking that's the only Coventry colours bus allocated to Walsall so far?
(One to flag on the Walsall Chit Chat & Natter Facebook page, for the odd spotter on there!)
Quote from: Westy on August 22, 2023, 03:17:51 PMWould I be correct in thinking that's the only Coventry colours bus allocated to Walsall so far?
(One to flag on the Walsall Chit Chat & Natter Facebook page, for the odd spotter on there!
There is actually an ex Nx (?) driver surname Llewlleyn(?) on there as well.
Is he known to Tony?)
Did Walsall ever operate any Metrobuses with Coventry Blue back 2006-2009?
Quote from: Jack on August 22, 2023, 03:18:54 PMDid Walsall ever operate any Metrobuses with Coventry Blue back 2006-2009?
Yes
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2023, 04:09:42 PMYes
Thank you, I recall them at PB and YW, so it's not the first blue bus at Walsall!
4890 CV - BC
2173 CV - AG
Quote from: cris 99 on August 23, 2023, 12:02:11 PM2173 CV - AG
Are they going to bother debranding these like the ex 13 E400's or just leave them as they are.
832 CV-WN
Quote from: BN on August 23, 2023, 02:37:41 PM832 CV-WN
E157 leaving Walsall in its place. Is this the first instance of the blue stripe being exchanged for red?
Quote from: Westy on August 22, 2023, 03:17:51 PMWould I be correct in thinking that's the only Coventry colours bus allocated to Walsall so far?
(One to flag on the Walsall Chit Chat & Natter Facebook page, for the odd spotter on there!)
According to an ex driver, 4450 spotted on the Brownhills route today, according to Chit Chat!
Quote from: Westy on August 23, 2023, 08:37:03 PMAccording to an ex driver, 4450 spotted on the Brownhills route today, according to Chit Chat!
My son rang me when he was on his way home on the 10 (Brownhills-Walsall), he said the bus was in Coventry colours and was a Trident, so he was on 4450 !
6967 CV-WB
Quote6967 CV-WB
Quite late on that buddy 😂
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 23, 2023, 08:47:09 PMMy son rang me when he was on his way home on the 10 (Brownhills-Walsall), he said the bus was in Coventry colours and was a Trident, so he was on 4450 !
Out of curiosity, has it had a NX West Midlands sticker slapped on it, or is it still saying Coventry?
Quote from: Westy on August 23, 2023, 10:44:48 PMOut of curiosity, has it had a NX West Midlands sticker slapped on it, or is it still saying Coventry?
Still saying Coventry
2176 2177 CV-AG
1789/93 AG - YW
2169 CV to AG
1810 AG to PB
Are the Omnilinks transferring out of AG still got reasonable time left in service? Or are they nearing death?
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2023, 06:11:00 PM2169 CV to AG
1810 AG to PB
Did 1810 also break down as I saw it being towed in Birmingham city centre
Quote from: Jack on August 24, 2023, 08:41:32 PMAre the Omnilinks transferring out of AG still got reasonable time left in service? Or are they nearing death?
My understanding is that the next influx of new vehicles will see off the OmniLinks, which will all be gone by the end of next year.
AG have the oldest examples of these, so those transferring to YW will see out their days there I guess.
From a purely passenger perspective, there is a notable difference between the older 17xx Scanias and the newer 19xx ones - as I've commented before the 19xx ones at YW with the grey interiors are still in remarkably clean and tidy condition interior-wise, and don't look their age, while the recent 17xx transfers with their older 'blue' interiors just look worn, tired and grubby, and feel like clapped-out old bangers to travel on.
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 09:03:26 PMMy understanding is that the next influx of new vehicles will see off the OmniLinks, which will all be gone by the end of next year.
AG have the oldest examples of these, so those transferring to YW will see out their days there I guess.
From a purely passenger perspective, there is a notable difference between the older 17xx Scanias and the newer 19xx ones - as I've commented before the 19xx ones at YW with the grey interiors are still in remarkably clean and tidy condition interior-wise, and don't look their age, while the recent 17xx transfers with their older 'blue' interiors just look worn, tired and grubby, and feel like clapped-out old bangers to travel on.
I thought that the next influx of new buses (170 BYD E400 Electrics) wont get rid of all the Omnilinks because they have to get rid of all the pre-2007 vehicles first.
Unless there's more buses planned to enter or NX plan to keep the 2007 Enviro 400s longer than the Scanias.
The 2007 ones have newer/ later refurbishments, to the 2008-10. They just don't look as if they had.
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 24, 2023, 09:20:54 PMI thought that the next influx of new buses (170 BYD E400 Electrics) wont get rid of all the Omnilinks because they have to get rid of all the pre-2007 vehicles first.
Unless there's more buses planned to enter or NX plan to keep the 2007 Enviro 400s longer than the Scanias.
The priority now is getting rid of non-euro 6. Then will be to decrease the the single deck fleet, then depending on the delivery sizes' of new EV's the older euro 6 vehicles will start to get withdrawn either at the same time or will be next. However there will always be a requirement for single deckers.
Quote from: HARVEYCLLEE on August 24, 2023, 08:44:52 PMDid 1810 also break down as I saw it being towed in Birmingham city centre
Yes it blew a brake chamber in city so had to be recovered, was chatting to the driver and recovery op whilst waiting for my duty to turn up in city
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2023, 09:03:26 PMMy understanding is that the next influx of new vehicles will see off the OmniLinks, which will all be gone by the end of next year.
AG have the oldest examples of these, so those transferring to YW will see out their days there I guess.
From a purely passenger perspective, there is a notable difference between the older 17xx Scanias and the newer 19xx ones - as I've commented before the 19xx ones at YW with the grey interiors are still in remarkably clean and tidy condition interior-wise, and don't look their age, while the recent 17xx transfers with their older 'blue' interiors just look worn, tired and grubby, and feel like clapped-out old bangers to travel on.
The blue interiors feel more refreshing, the grey ones are so drab and miserable and i've been saying that for years now. Much nicer than any E200MMC which seem very costly to keep in service now.
QuoteThe blue interiors feel more refreshing, the grey ones are so drab and miserable and i've been saying that for years now. Much nicer than any E200MMC which seem very costly to keep in service now.
Do the scania's have more seats than the E200mmcs?
Quote from: Jack on August 24, 2023, 11:24:20 PMThe blue interiors feel more refreshing, the grey ones are so drab and miserable and i've been saying that for years now. Much nicer than any E200MMC which seem very costly to keep in service now.
Tbf, I think if they were cleaned properly and routinely over the years they wouldn't look half as bad. Tho i do prefer the more hard wearing grey. I see that grey gives it a more cramped view imo.
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 24, 2023, 09:20:54 PMI thought that the next influx of new buses (170 BYD E400 Electrics) wont get rid of all the Omnilinks because they have to get rid of all the pre-2007 vehicles first.
Unless there's more buses planned to enter or NX plan to keep the 2007 Enviro 400s longer than the Scanias.
300 new double decks by the end of next year.
1795 first day in use at WB today.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2023, 07:56:16 AM1795 first day in use at WB today.
Come to WB to die slowly, plenty of used spares here as long its not an engine needed.
i look at some of WB omnilinks they do still look and drive really well, few i would say outstanding.
PLATINUMS the non WB examples drive a lot better than those delivered new here i wonder why, some of the WB examples are incredibly loud to drive, they have over heating issues and the engineers have set the cooling fans to operate full time so not funny on a warm day with windows open on a 5 hour stint, you cant even hear punters talking to you etc without opening the cab door.
833 CV-WN
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2023, 07:36:58 AM300 new double decks by the end of next year.
Much more than I expected. Gonna be very weird to see Enviro 400s start to get withdrawn for sure. Cheers for the info.
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 24, 2023, 09:20:54 PMI thought that the next influx of new buses (170 BYD E400 Electrics) wont get rid of all the Omnilinks because they have to get rid of all the pre-2007 vehicles first.
Unless there's more buses planned to enter or NX plan to keep the 2007 Enviro 400s longer than the Scanias.
Sorry, I just re-read your post again and wanted to add to my reply.
There isn't a requirement to "get rid of pre-2007" vehicles first. The only pressing requirement is to dispose of any non-Euro6 vehicles before January 2024, as per the agreement reached with TfWM.
There is however a desire to reduce the number of single-deck vehicles in the fleet, being the oldest now, the OmniLinks will be the first to be withdrawn. I count 149 of these currently.
There will of course be a requirement for some garages to continue to have single-decks, for those routes that pass under low bridges or where there are issues with low-hanging tree branches, so that's where I'd expect to see more of the Eclipse 2s or Enviro200s dispersed elsewhere, as OmniLinks get removed from service.
There is a confirmed order of 170 BYD ADL E400EVs, as well as a further other 130 electric double decks on order, possibly Wright Electroliner Streetdecks, which I understand are all due to be delivered and in service by the end of next year, though I'm happy to be corrected on the timeframe if I'm wrong. (Just going by what I've read here, and been told elsewhere)
There are already a number of E400EVs built and awaiting delivery, Tony has already suggested that Perry Barr is the likely front-runner, but its all dependent on garages having the charging infrastructure installed.
As to which vehicles have some kind of long-term future, the clue is in the ones that are getting a repaint into the 'new' grey livery.
The remaining Tridents (60) and Geminis (66) will likely be gone before any Enviro400s get withdrawn.
Appreciate the info!
I take it there's roughly 30-50 buses that are not euro 6; with most of them at WB, AG, WA and YW, NX have some work to do. Gonna be some exciting and some sad times coming up.
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 25, 2023, 08:03:28 PMAppreciate the info!
I take it there's roughly 30-50 buses that are not euro 6; with most of them at WB, AG, WA and YW, NX have some work to do. Gonna be some exciting and some sad times coming up.
I admit I don't know exactly how many non-Euro6 vehicles there are left now, the recent influx of vehicles from Coventry has reduced their number I would think.
The next few months will be interesting though, as new deliveries start coming through to the West Midlands garages.
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2023, 08:39:10 PMI admit I don't know exactly how many non-Euro6 vehicles there are left now, the recent influx of vehicles from Coventry has reduced their number I would think.
The next few months will be interesting though, as new deliveries start coming through to the West Midlands garages.
Non Euro 6 buses are now down to 46
Just saw 6953 heading towards Birmingham on Warwick road at around 11:31 ish? New transfer?
Quote from: BBS on August 29, 2023, 11:34:52 AMJust saw 6953 heading towards Birmingham on Warwick road at around 11:31 ish? New transfer?
Yes, 6953 & 7540 CV-AG today
2170 & 2172 CV-AG
2168 & 2175 are due to move early next week along with 7541 after doing Bus Driver of the Year in Blackpool this weekend leaving just two vehicles to move out, 4770 & 6966 both requiring engine repairs
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2023, 10:22:47 AM2170 & 2172 CV-AG
2168 & 2175 are due to move early next week along with 7541 after doing Bus Driver of the Year in Blackpool this weekend leaving just two vehicles to move out, 4770 & 6966 both requiring engine repairs
How bad 6966 presume it was meant to come to wb as 6965 6967 there also isn't rest of b7s due to move
2168 has now moved today as well
1806 now at PB, 1810 to follow
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2023, 10:50:52 AM2168 has now moved today as well
1806 now at PB, 1810 to follow
Is 1810 a typo? You've previously confirmed that 1810 had already moved 24th August, see above post #6043
Quote2168 has now moved today as well
1806 now at PB, 1810 to follow
A red and white returns to PB!
Quote from: BBS on September 01, 2023, 11:06:18 AMA red and white returns to PB!
I thought the red/whites were to be placed into reserve?
Quote from: Jack on September 01, 2023, 12:47:53 PMI thought the red/whites were to be placed into reserve?
Presume it's just a case of keeping the most mechanically sound ones running
Quote from: winston on September 01, 2023, 11:04:29 AMIs 1810 a typo? You've previously confirmed that 1810 had already moved 24th August, see above post #6043
Yes apologies, 1810 has gone and is in service today
1812 is going, but still parked in AG
QuoteYes apologies, 1810 has gone and is in service today
1812 is going, but still parked in AG
Saw 1810 on the inner circle at evening!
1806 is on the 17 today thought it had transferred to PB
Quote from: cris 99 on September 02, 2023, 07:36:17 AM1806 is on the 17 today thought it had transferred to PB
I corrected it, it is 1810/2 going to PB
Looks like 7541 has transferred to AG this morning
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 04, 2023, 12:37:29 PMLooks like 7541 has transferred to AG this morning
Along with 2175, just defective 4770 & 6966 to leave Coventry now. E104 has gone to Coventry today meaning all 140 are now there
Just to clarify, 4770 has been stored in the Miller Street yard for several weeks now.
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2023, 12:48:10 PMAlong with 2175, just defective 4770 & 6966 to leave Coventry now. E104 has gone to Coventry today meaning all 140 are now there
Presume wb get 4770
1796 whats with the black go faster roof spoiler :smiley: i noticed it in garage early this morning is a sensor/radar equipment etc
Quote from: RichardD9 on September 05, 2023, 11:23:41 AMJust to clarify, 4770 has been stored in the Miller Street yard for several weeks now.
Presumably awaiting engine work - at 15 yrs old, plus needing a refurb (or at least paint), I wonder how close to marginal it is re withdrawal?
1815 AG to PB,
1799 AG withdrawn
4450 is off on its travels again!
It's on its way to Wolverhampton to see if it will pass an inspection and see out the last 6 weeks of its MoT there!
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2023, 12:33:00 PM4450 is off on its travels again!
It's on its way to Wolverhampton to see if it will pass an inspection and see out the last 3 weeks of its MoT there!
Send it to pensnett to retire and not so far to go to the top yard
Funny that it's only managed 2 days in service after someone mentioned days ago that if it failed its inspection it would be scrapped and everyone slagged them off.
Quote from: Mayfield on September 11, 2023, 07:11:48 PMFunny that it's only managed 2 days in service after someone mentioned days ago that if it failed its inspection it would be scrapped and everyone slagged them off.
It hasn't done any days in service since its last inspection expired, and it hasn't failed any inspection. Walsall just ran it until the last day they could, then parked it.
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2023, 12:33:00 PM4450 is off on its travels again!
It's on its way to Wolverhampton to see if it will pass an inspection and see out the last 6 weeks of its MoT there!
Off out now onto the 79's. But only AM peak board
1803 AG - WA as seen on national express group on FB posted by Tony Hunter
Quote from: cris 99 on September 13, 2023, 11:17:17 AM1803 AG - WA as seen on national express group on FB posted by Tony Hunter
and 1806, I was waiting until I knew both had got there
Quote from: cris 99 on September 13, 2023, 11:17:17 AM1803 AG - WA as seen on national express group on FB posted by Tony Hunter
Already out on the 9 service.
Quote from: Tony on September 13, 2023, 01:52:29 PMand 1806, I was waiting until I knew both had got there
Thought that was meant to die...
Quote from: Jack on September 13, 2023, 03:13:16 PMThought that was meant to die...
No, Tony originally had that one going to PB, but then 1810 & 1812 went.
Quote from: winston on September 13, 2023, 03:31:32 PMNo, Tony originally had that one going to PB, but them 1810 & 1812 went.
I heard it was the remaining red/whites to die not move...
Quote from: Jack on September 13, 2023, 03:37:26 PMI heard it was the remaining red/whites to die not move...
It's got 8 months MoT and no defects, so not going to waste it
QuoteIt's got 8 months MoT and no defects, so not going to waste it
Seems like AG kept it in top spec!
Quote from: BBS on September 13, 2023, 09:17:39 PMSeems like AG kept it in top spec!
No, just kept it to NX standards
QuoteNo, just kept it to NX standards
Great to hear it's in NX standards at least considering it's part of the older batch omnilinks
Red & White 1806, first day in use at WA is on the 37 (first trip is a 34)
6966 CV-WB currently on 49 if anybody wants it
NXC full livery 4450 is on WN16 today. Is this a temporary switch from Walsall?
4450 had gone to Wolverhampton for its last 3 weeks of life I believe.
Quote from: cris 99 on September 16, 2023, 10:18:22 AM4450 had gone to Wolverhampton for its last 3 weeks of life I believe.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on September 16, 2023, 10:08:16 AMNXC full livery 4450 is on WN16 today. Is this a temporary switch from Walsall?
@Tony confirmed this week that it was going to WN for an inspection - it passed and will see out the last of its days there.
According to bustimes WN has gained 4753 in exchange for 5403 and 5407 from Pensnett. Is this true?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on September 18, 2023, 05:39:07 PMAccording to bustimes WN has gained 4753 in exchange for 5403 and 5407 from Pensnett. Is this true?
These are loans not transfers
how come they're loaned?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on September 18, 2023, 05:55:08 PMhow come they're loaned?
As they are short of vehicles clearly.
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on September 18, 2023, 05:39:07 PMAccording to bustimes WN has gained 4753 in exchange for 5403 and 5407 from Pensnett. Is this true?
What it actually says on BusTimes:
"Garage" information is worked out automatically, using the Garage field in the operator's timetable data and the last trip a vehicle worked.Therefore it should not be automatically 'assumed' that a vehicle has transferred, because vehicles on loan will show the garage that runs the route the bus was last used on.
1792 YW-PB
more to follow, we're losing a few E40Ds as well
1788 YW-PB
Quote from: CL on September 29, 2023, 12:54:06 PM1792 YW-PB
more to follow, we're losing a few E40Ds as well
1788 YW-PB
PB loosing a few E40Ds, I don't think YW have any of those? Not sure as of recently anyway.
Quote from: Owen on September 29, 2023, 02:22:14 PMPB loosing a few E40Ds, I don't think YW have any of those? Not sure as of recently anyway.
YW will probably get 46xx tridents ousted by E40Ds going to BC
4843/46 also in service at BC possible transfers I will await confirmation though
I'm surprised BC need more E40Ds, having received 4881-4894 from CV. Maybe the transfers are to do with October service changes and routes changing garage - or possibly to cover for ex CV vehicles going for paint (I wondered whether the two ex hybrids from WN to PN were to cover for two of theirs ex CV in for paint also).
Quote from: don on September 29, 2023, 04:24:09 PMI'm surprised BC need more E40Ds, having received 4881-4894 from CV. Maybe the transfers are to do with October service changes and routes changing garage - or possibly to cover for ex CV vehicles going for paint (I wondered whether the two ex hybrids from WN to PN were to cover for two of theirs ex CV in for paint also).
I guess with the tridents seemingly on their way out, they would need something to replace those
1788/90/92 YW to PB
4843/4/6 PB to BC
4621/2/3 BC to YW
To deal with complaints of overcrowding on YW school time services since Green Bus cessation
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2023, 04:39:33 PM1788/90/92 YW to PB
4843/4/6 PB to BC
4621/2/3 BC to YW
To deal with complaints of overcrowding on YW school time services since Green Bus cessation
More Scania's at PB !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 29, 2023, 04:46:58 PMMore Scania's at PB !
Yes ready for the 96 when it comes back... don't forget your umbrellas!
With 4881-4894 I would have thought a few more tridents would have been cast out (meaning the 46** , not the 97 brands)
The 97 brandeds haven't moved ?
Quote from: cris 99 on September 29, 2023, 05:03:33 PMThe 97 brandeds haven't moved ?
As I said. Not the 97 brands. The 46** have been heading out far and few for months. Which are expected to go since there's only 4 left at bc
Quote from: Owen on September 29, 2023, 05:05:44 PMAs I said. Not the 97 brands. The 46** have been heading out far and few for months. Which are expected to go since there's only 4 left at bc
At a guess they may have 4845 etc...
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 29, 2023, 04:46:58 PMMore Scania's at PB !
Both YW and PB have more single decks than is ideal, however I'd say in proportion YW have far more singles than are actually required, and will 'need' even less once the 27 is curtailed.
Anyway I'm sure this is just a short-term thing until the next lot of new vehicles start to get delivered, and more OmniLinks start to get withdrawn.
Quote from: Stu on September 29, 2023, 05:36:28 PMBoth YW and PB have more single decks than is ideal, however I'd say in proportion YW have far more singles than are actually required, and will 'need' even less once the 27 is curtailed.
Anyway I'm sure this is just a short-term thing until the next lot of new vehicles start to get delivered, and more OmniLinks start to get withdrawn.
Yes, Yardley Wood will only actually
need 5
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2023, 05:21:57 PMAt a guess they may have 4845 etc...
I would assume the same.
I'm gutted to hear 4621 isn't at BC anymore it was actually one of my favourite tridents to drive......ah well suppose its more E40Ds to drive at BC now
Is 4770 new home at WB or YW?
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2023, 04:48:41 PMYes ready for the 96 when it comes back... don't forget your umbrellas!
They've already got enough for the 96, there's around 60-65 single deckers at PB, they're only required for the 8A/C, 28, 66, 71 and eventually the 96, the PVR for all of these is well below that !
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2023, 04:39:33 PM1788/90/92 YW to PB
4843/4/6 PB to BC
4621/2/3 BC to YW
To deal with complaints of overcrowding on YW school time services since Green Bus cessation
Guessing that 4618 will be moving once the engine is done at Wolverhampton. That's the batch gone then isn't it?
Quote from: BN on September 30, 2023, 09:42:20 AMGuessing that 4618 will be moving once the engine is done at Wolverhampton. That's the batch gone then isn't it?
4620 as well which needs an engine swap out of 4451
Quote from: Owen on September 29, 2023, 11:44:17 PMIs 4770 new home at WB or YW?
WB when it gets repaired I saw on this forum somewhere if I remember correctly.
Quote from: BN on September 30, 2023, 09:42:20 AMGuessing that 4618 will be moving once the engine is done at Wolverhampton. That's the batch gone then isn't it?
4625/8 havent gone anywhere yet either.
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2023, 04:39:33 PM1788/90/92 YW to PB
4843/4/6 PB to BC
4621/2/3 BC to YW
To deal with complaints of overcrowding on YW school time services since Green Bus cessation
Presume the 33 branded examples will be debranded then
Quote from: Lukeee on October 01, 2023, 02:27:55 PMPresume the 33 branded examples will be debranded then
The ones that have left for bc have been 'generic branded' a while. Remember there's only 4 'ish I wanna say, tridents left and the rest are e400, b5lh mmc.
So I doubt PB will loose all the 33 branding/vehicles, when after tridents that's exactly what bc have.
The nine, 97 branded vehicles aren't expected to be moved but I'll let some someone else confirm that.
4772 WB to WA. This one did surprise me
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on October 03, 2023, 07:53:58 AM4772 WB to WA. This one did surprise me
You sure that's not a loan?
Nice too see it back it on its old stomping ground however!
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Follow what? it's not a transfer read Tony's comment above
2159/60/1 at Walsall and in service
Edit: Apologies there on loan sorry
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on October 03, 2023, 07:53:58 AM4772 WB to WA. This one did surprise me
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on October 03, 2023, 02:56:55 PM2159/60/1 at Walsall and in service
Edit: Apologies there on loan sorry
More BusTimes watchers I see. :rolleyes:
As I have pointed out previously, vehicles on BusTimes show the garage of the last route it tracked on.
It should not be assumed that vehicles have transferred, as they could just be on loan.
Quote from: Stu on October 03, 2023, 07:16:20 PMMore BusTimes watchers I see. :rolleyes:
As I have pointed out previously, vehicles on BusTimes show the garage of the last route it tracked on.
It should not be assumed that vehicles have transferred, as they could just be on loan.
Firstly, can I just say that maybe you shouldn't assume that everybody has seen the things that you've "pointed out previously". Secondly, you can't really call me a BusTimes watcher when I physically saw 4772 on the X51. I do apologise for not realising that it could be on loan, however.
QuoteMore BusTimes watchers I see. :rolleyes:
As I have pointed out previously, vehicles on BusTimes show the garage of the last route it tracked on.
It should not be assumed that vehicles have transferred, as they could just be on loan.
Firstly i am not a Bus Times watcher I was on my way back from Aston Villa Brookvale Academy where I train if you must know. This is then where I saw the 3 buses listed in Walsall Bus station waiting for the 29 service home
Just a little mistake on my part not looking at the loans section on this page before I typed it on this page like I said I do apologise about it.
1800 AG - PB
4848 PB-BC
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2023, 01:54:05 PM4848 PB-BC
Spotted it on the 822, that's a quick turnaround
Quote from: mesub on October 06, 2023, 07:20:20 PMSpotted it on the 822, that's a quick turnaround
Transfers are nearly always straight out. Company rules only require a wheel nut check on any vehicle changing site which is only a 5 minute task
4859 PB-BC
That was quick it was on 907A less than an hour ago
Quote from: CL on October 25, 2023, 09:52:26 AM4859 PB-BC
Wasn't expecting them all to be going so soon, blimey.
6825 BC to PB
Quote from: Lukeee on October 25, 2023, 04:48:40 PMFor the X14?
For any PB route that uses double deckers
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 25, 2023, 05:20:14 PMFor any PB route that uses double deckers
He's probably right, given the fact that a standard E400 went the other way. By the "any route that uses double deckers" logic the standard E400 would've sufficed?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 25, 2023, 05:59:55 PMHe's probably right, given the fact that a standard E400 went the other way. By the "any route that uses double deckers" logic the standard E400 would've sufficed?
Interesting they sent 4859 instead of 4847/4849. Could that mean BC will get more of that 4843 - 4862 batch eventually.
Quote from: 2206 on October 25, 2023, 06:18:56 PMInteresting they sent 4859 instead of 4847/4849. Could that mean BC will get more of that 4843 - 4862 batch eventually.
I'm sure the decision maker will have had a fully justified and sensible rationale.
Quote from: Straightlines on October 25, 2023, 06:36:40 PMI'm sure the decision maker will have had a fully justified and sensible rationale.
Nobody is suggesting otherwise?
Quote from: 2206 on October 25, 2023, 06:18:56 PMInteresting they sent 4859 instead of 4847/4849. Could that mean BC will get more of that 4843 - 4862 batch eventually.
It feels inevitable that eventually BC will have all of the E40Ds ;)
Quote from: CL on October 25, 2023, 09:52:26 AM4859 PB-BC
Quote from: Jack on October 25, 2023, 12:32:12 PMWasn't expecting them all to be going so soon, blimey.
Quote from: 2206 on October 25, 2023, 06:18:56 PMInteresting they sent 4859 instead of 4847/4849. Could that mean BC will get more of that 4843 - 4862 batch eventually.
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 25, 2023, 07:34:41 PMIt feels inevitable that eventually BC will have all of the E40Ds ;)
Why do people assume that whole batches will transfer just because one bus has? Just curious.
Quote from: Stu on October 25, 2023, 08:33:54 PMWhy do people assume that whole batches will transfer just because one bus has? Just curious.
While I do try to keep numbers together buses have to be selected for transfer when they have to be 'on the road', not defective obviously, have decent lengths MoTs unless the receiving garage agrees otherwise, and swaps between garages generally tend to try to match inspection dates if possible
Quote from: Tony on October 25, 2023, 08:53:31 PMWhile I do try to keep numbers together buses have to be selected for transfer when they have to be 'on the road', not defective obviously, have decent lengths MoTs unless the receiving garage agrees otherwise, and swaps between garages generally tend to try to match inspection dates if possible
ie not as easy as it seems!
Keeping the number of vehicle types down is another consideration, Tony mentioned long a go, spare part provisions etc,type training, so in my case unless i change garage i,ll never get to drive a B7RLE, all i can see arriving at WB are E40D's 200/400 mmc's. so getting rid of gemnis/tridents will be 2 less headaches in a way, Is AG the only garage not to operate the E40D.
May be something new for C.C 50/82/87
Quote from: 2900 on October 26, 2023, 10:33:02 AMKeeping the number of vehicle types down is another consideration, Tony mentioned long a go, spare part provisions etc,type training, so in my case unless i change garage i,ll never get to drive a B7RLE, all i can see arriving at WB are E40D's 200/400 mmc's. so getting rid of gemnis/tridents will be 2 less headaches in a way, Is AG the only garage not to operate the E40D.
May be something new for C.C 50/82/87
Yes, AG is the only garage never to have standard E400s, which is another headache in it's own as it restricts what vehicles can replace their Geminis.
WB will get vehicles from PB when their electrics go into service to replace their Geminis, not sure which yet.
QuoteYes, AG is the only garage never to have standard E400s, which is another headache in it's own as it restricts what vehicles can replace their Geminis.
WB will get vehicles from PB when their electrics go into service to replace their Geminis, not sure which yet.
Are they able to have street decks?
QuoteAre they able to have street decks?
5 streetdecks will most likely stay at walsall has they have the hydroliners.
With PB getting the first batch of electrics (possibly for the Sutton lines WB will probably get the 4799-815/17-29 batch (purely speculation as it's unknown how many electric they'll get)
Quote from: BK63 YWP on October 26, 2023, 11:36:52 AM5 streetdecks will most likely stay at walsall has they have the hydroliners.
With PB getting the first batch of electrics (possibly for the Sutton lines WB will probably get the 4799-815/17-29 batch (purely speculation as it's unknown how many electric they'll get)
That's one batch they definitely won't get ( I can't post the reason here), not sure why pick on those out of all PB's buses. Only the four Scanias doubles don't match WB's vehicle profile.
Could be wrong but didn't a few years back when the 4799 to 4829 batch of buses on the 9 clock up too many ( or close to the limit ) with their mileage allowance and rumours they were going to be changed for the 47xx enviro 400 off the 50.
QuoteThat's one batch they definitely won't get ( I can't post the reason here), not sure why pick on those out of all PB's buses. Only the four Scanias doubles don't match WB's vehicle profile.
I chose those as they were the oldest E400s at PB but It was purely speculation rather than fact
4847 PB-BC
Quote from: 2900 on October 26, 2023, 10:33:02 AMKeeping the number of vehicle types down is another consideration, Tony mentioned long a go, spare part provisions etc,type training, so in my case unless i change garage i,ll never get to drive a B7RLE, all i can see arriving at WB are E40D's 200/400 mmc's. so getting rid of gemnis/tridents will be 2 less headaches in a way, Is AG the only garage not to operate the E40D.
May be something new for C.C 50/82/87
You're right-except for when they have taken them on loan(if they have done)
Quote from: markcf83 on October 26, 2023, 03:10:08 PMYou're right-except for when they have taken them on loan(if they have done)
BC have sent them on loan before but then had to swap them for platinums when drivers haven't been able to drive them, I think twice one has got out on a leak board before being swapped
Quote5 streetdecks will most likely stay at walsall has they have the hydroliners.
With PB getting the first batch of electrics (possibly for the Sutton lines WB will probably get the 4799-815/17-29 (tel:4799-815/17-29) batch (purely speculation as it's unknown how many electric they'll get)
Isn't AG getting the Electroliners?
Quote from: BBS on October 26, 2023, 07:35:31 PMIsn't AG getting the Electroliners?
Maybe they are, but won't be for some time yet.
As Tony has pointed out, the diesel Streetdecks are a different type of bus to drive.
The only reason I can think of to keep these at Walsall would be if they have some 'commonality' of parts, for maintenance purposes, for example the Streetdecks might use the same brake pads as the Hydroliners.
If that's the case, makes no sense to transfer them elsewhere as they are so few in number.
Quote from: Stu on October 26, 2023, 08:45:22 PMMaybe they are, but won't be for some time yet.
As Tony has pointed out, the diesel Streetdecks are a different type of bus to drive.
The only reason I can think of to keep these at Walsall would be if they have some 'commonality' of parts, for maintenance purposes, for example the Streetdecks might use the same brake pads as the Hydroliners.
If that's the case, makes no sense to transfer them elsewhere as they are so few in number.
WA Engineers have just about got used to them now, and they are as reliable as they have ever been, most time off the road now is waiting for parts, and 3304 is currently off the road where a car came through a red light straight into the front of it.
Moving them to another garage where no-one has seen them before would end up with them off the road most of the time like they were when they first arrived at WA
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2023, 09:01:21 PMWA Engineers have just about got used to them now, and they are as reliable as they have ever been, most time off the road now is waiting for parts, and 3304 is currently off the road where a car came through a red light straight into the front of it.
Moving them to another garage where no-one has seen them before would end up with them off the road most of the time like they were when they first arrived at WA
Pensnett don't want them back either 😂
It's nice to see them on other Walsall routes occasionally, certainly as I managed to catch one on the WA 9 the day of the Wolves open day.
The main routes I'm seeing them on are the 41 & 10, plus the 159 school service.
Not seen it reported but 6826 is now at PB on the X14 today maybe Tony can confirm?
Quote from: cris 99 on October 27, 2023, 09:29:07 AMNot seen it reported but 6826 is now at PB on the X14 today maybe Tony can confirm?
Yes, swapped with 4847 yesterday
6827 BC-PB
4860 4861 PB-BC
6828 BC-PB. This completes the swaps to give PB extra platinums to cover the X14
2112-2116 WA-WN
4628 BC-WA-WN
Quote from: BN on October 28, 2023, 08:41:12 AM2112-2116 WA-WN
4628 BC-WA-WN
are these official ?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 30, 2023, 08:52:01 AMare these official ?
I think 2111 has also gone with these. I would say that it was official because of Wolverhampton running the 9 service now. They would require the buses.
There are 2 people on here that can post transfers and withdrawals and will always be 100 percent correct and that's Tony Hunter and BN . 2111 hasn't gone it's still in service at Pensnett today. Walsall sent 5 Volvo's with the 9 that's more than enough
Quote from: cris 99 on October 30, 2023, 08:58:44 AMThere are 2 people on here that can post transfers and withdrawals and will always be 100 percent correct and that's Tony Hunter and BN . 2111 hasn't gone it's still in service at Pensnett today. Walsall sent 5 Volvo's with the 9 that's more than enough
Sorry my mistake about 2111. I was forgetting it's at Pensnett garage.
Are 1794/8, 1803/6 transfers or loans? As I'm hearing too many different speculations.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2023, 08:07:28 AMAre 1794/8, 1803/6 transfers or loans? As I'm hearing too many different speculations.
Far as I'm aware transfers but I could be wrong.
1803/06 are transfers 1794/98 are loans
754 WN-WB
825 WB-WN
824 WB-WN
755 WN-(probably) WB
Are these transfers to make the 54/54A and 89 allocation 100% SWB Enviro 200s?
November changes on the main site
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2023, 08:15:32 PMNovember changes on the main site
NXWM Fleet changes (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html)
Has 4770 transferred to Walsall or Wolverhampton Depot as on the fleet changes it says Walsall but on 4770s pictures it says Wolverhampton
https://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4770.html
Quote from: BNH2004 on December 01, 2023, 09:38:58 PMHas 4770 transferred to Walsall or Wolverhampton Depot as on the fleet changes it says Walsall but on 4770s pictures it says Wolverhampton
https://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4770.html
Walsall
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2023, 09:54:05 PMWalsall
Thought it was due to go to West Brom did that plan change then.
Is that permanent or just until Hydrogens fuelling gets fixed
Is 4959 a permanent transfer to Walsall or not? Only asking as I saw it in Central Birmingham last night and again this morning in Walsall.....
Quote from: markcf83 on December 29, 2023, 04:22:47 PMIs 4959 a permanent transfer to Walsall or not? Only asking as I saw it in Central Birmingham last night and again this morning in Walsall.....
I believe Tony Said it is a loan
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on December 30, 2023, 11:39:59 AMI believe Tony Said it is a loan
Thanks. I thought I was seeing things when I stumbled across it on Carr's Lane yesterday.....
2089 PN-WN
4987 now in paint
2116 WN-WA
5408 returning off loan to Wolverhampton
Quote from: WA4317 on February 14, 2024, 04:02:30 PM2116 WN-WA
5408 returning off loan to Wolverhampton
2116 is still at WN
Quote from: BN on February 14, 2024, 06:13:49 PM2116 is still at WN
Don't upset more kids on the forum boss 😂
Quote from: WA4317 on February 14, 2024, 04:02:30 PM2116 WN-WA
5408 returning off loan to Wolverhampton
5408 still at Walsall on the 70 this morning.
Quote from: PB50 on February 15, 2024, 09:03:21 AM5408 still at Walsall on the 70 this morning.
And is now heading back to Wolverhampton, I'm just 1 of "those kids" though that knows nothing. 2116 isn't out today, that's weird🤔
Quote from: karl724223 on February 14, 2024, 06:17:20 PMDon't upset more kids on the forum boss 😂
Judging by his posts I would strongly suspect that like you he works for NX.
Edit: and lo and behold, 2116 in service at Walsall and 5408 in service at Wolverhampton today.
764 WN-PN
823 WB-WN
4815/17 PB-WB
Loan or transfer?
They will be loans they would have been debranded first if they were transfers. I'm sure Mr hunter will confirm
Quote from: busboy31 on April 30, 2024, 04:44:22 PM4815/17 PB-WB
Loan or transfer?
probably loans WB short on buses, 14 buses awaiting parts/repairs i am told
1887 WB-WA