Vehicle Transfers

[the trainbasher]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

[BCMobile]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.

I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?

[Mike K]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.

[BCMobile]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.

But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.

[Mike K]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.

But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.

All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

[winston]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.

I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?

Not neccesarily, it may be more a case that its not worth investing the money to re-engine 13/14 year old Presidents when they are well over half way through their service lives. The years of service they have left will not be enough to recoup the cost in maintainence/fuel efficiency savings. NX policy seems to be favouring buying new buses rather the refurbishing/re-engineering the existing fleet.

You'll notice that of the latter Tridents to be re-engined with Euro 5- engines, they all have all been 54 plate 46-- examples, the Y-reg examples initially treated were deemed too old to recoup the cost of the work, I thought I saw in Routeone or somewhere that each bus was costing NX £30k to re-engine?

[Stevo]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

Seriously? Sounds like a pretty unprofessional ruling to be honest.

I expect then the B7's aren't able to take a Euro5(?) engine?

[winston]

All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above

[BCMobile]

But saying that why is AG allowed to run B7tl Presidents into the city but BC had to lose the B7's to YW?

Because the 73 is only every 30 therefore presidents can enter on routes every 30 or less frequent iirc

And journeys on the 1 to the Town Hall don't enter the emissions zone.

But what about the Pre-Euro'd Tridents? Some kick out so much smoke they need a nicorette patch.

All of NXWM's Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.

But what about the 42xx engines?

And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?

[nitromatt1]

All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above

Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?

[BCMobile]

All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above

Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?

Is AdBlue Euro5 then? Or did 4586 have Euro4 from new or refurbed mate?

[winston]

Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.

But what about the 42xx engines?

And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?

No the emission ruling in B'ham City Centre is minimum Euro 3 on high frequency services, all NXWM's double deck fleet comply except Spectras & Presidents. If the service is at a half hourly frequency earlier non Euro 3 buses such as Presidents (AG 73) or Mercs WB (83) are acceptable

42-- ALX400 are all Euro 3

Although to re-engine buses does extend their lives, you would need to take in account the condition of other major components, the chassis & body structure before determining whether its a viable option to spend ten sof thousand of pounds on a 10 year + older vehicle

[BCMobile]

Yeah but isn't the Emission ruling only for Euro 4 and over? I've spoke to engineering about this but they don't give a straight answer.

But what about the 42xx engines?

And thanks Winston, £30,000 - £50,000 per bus but they sometimes prefer that as they say they get 5 refurbs to every new bus?

No the emission ruling in B'ham City Centre is minimum Euro 3 on high frequency services, all NXWM's double deck fleet comply except Spectras & Presidents. If the service is at a half hourly frequency earlier non Euro 3 buses such as Presidents (AG 73) or Mercs WB (83) are acceptable

42-- ALX400 are all Euro 3

Although to re-engine buses does extend their lives, you would need to take in account the condition of other major components, the chassis & body structure before determining whether its a viable option to spend ten sof thousand of pounds on a 10 year + older vehicle

You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?

I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.

[winston]

All of NXWM's early Tridents are Euro 3 apparently.

That's correct, 4125 onwards are all Euro3 & above

Other than 4586, do any other NXWM ALX400 Tridents have a Euro4 engine?

Is AdBlue Euro5 then? Or did 4586 have Euro4 from new or refurbed mate?

4586 & 4186 had Euro 4 engines fitted as replacements with Adblue

Whilst the other Y-reg & 54 plate Tridents at BC have be re-engined with the Euro 5 - combination

I've got 4148, 4166, 4172, 4176-9, 4185, 4613?, 4619, 4633 & 4634 as re-engined with Euro 5-. I thought the article in Routeone stated 30 Tridents would be treated, that makes 12 to date unless I'm missing any? I haven't seen or heard of any more being re-engined for a while now

[winston]

You're very well educated. Do you work for us in some serious height or are you just a deep nut?

I think the first Trident to scrapped (outside of fire damage etc) will be 4180.

No, don't work in the bus industry, I'm a CAD draughtsman, I fall in to your 'deep nut category' I guess ;-)

I have a keen interest in the NX group