TGB have been doing quite well on the 50. I was waiting for a NX 50 after college and saw a Metrobus with a good 35-40 people on board, like you'd see on a daytime NX 50.
It was a peak journey I saw, but I didn't think they were that successful on the 50.
From what I've seen on the 50a and 64 routes the Green Bus isn't that busy with mainly OAP's using it and on my local 64 route the upper deck is usually empty but I have seen the bus pretty full downstairs on occasions and it's mainly used by people travelling to the QE Hospital. I do like the company with their low price fares and their range of buses that they have which are done up well.
Quote from: Mike360 on May 29, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
From what I've seen on the 50a and 64 routes the Green Bus isn't that busy with mainly OAP's using it and on my local 64 route the upper deck is usually empty but I have seen the bus pretty full downstairs on occasions and it's mainly used by people travelling to the QE Hospital. I do like the company with their low price fares and their range of buses that they have which are done up well.
I did take a side picture of the bus showing the amount of people, and they weren't all OAPs, but it's on my iPod and I can't be bothered to upload it.
Most on the Green 558 in Wolves are OAP users but I'd rather pay £1 and enjoy a smoke,drug and chav free ride...even better if its an old Metro!
Quote from: 4006 on May 29, 2012, 09:48:50 PM
......even better if its an old Metro!
Couldn't agree more. Would take a metrobus over any other vehicle.
i was lucky enough to get a metro on the 64 today former a former f.... xof one and it was fantastic apart from theyd done a shoddy job of trying to remaint the floor. Tho good wm seats and even original front opening windows and this week this has been the coolest bus ride by far. the 64 is actually quite well used and I also got a ex london and country volvo citybus which was definitely showing its age a lot more than the metrobus. god these buses are ugly with the drooping front and they dont seem anywhere near as modern as a metrobus
I caught the 64 today and the two buses that I caught were busy and nearly full downstairs so this route is a lot more popular now than when it first started out, with young and old people on it and the buses going in the opposite direction had a fair few passengers. I do love the metrobuses and it's great to see what bus turns up as today I caught Plaxton President 101 and their bus that can be converted to an open top bus 365. The £1.00 all distance fare obviously makes it popular and the fact that the 64 is the only bus direct to and from Northfield and QE Hospital.
I also was on the 64 today but it was a volvo citybus today and a metrobus on wednesday. I agree they do get quite busy and their fleet is quirky and interesting and worth samplings. Id be keen to go on the dennis lance verdes as i remember them on the diamond 64-great buses-which route are they now usually found on?
Quote from: Peter123 on June 01, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
I also was on the 64 today but it was a volvo citybus today and a metrobus on wednesday. I agree they do get quite busy and their fleet is quirky and interesting and worth samplings. Id be keen to go on the dennis lance verdes as i remember them on the diamond 64-great buses-which route are they now usually found on?
They were on the 50A, but have now vanished. Two NK51 Tridents seem to have replaced them along with another Trident.
Oh right.. I wonder where they have gone hopefully not to be scrapped :(
For the people who use Green Bus, I wonder what is your favourite and worst bus of their fleet?
My favourite and probably a lot of peoples is the Metrobus as its great to still be able to travel on these and Green Bus Company have done them up really well and the interior looks good and I love the noise they make. My least favourite bus has to be the Volvo D10M as these look awful from the outside, really old and the height in them is terrible.
i like the metros and the volvos are pretty crap. ugly, squeaky, I can nowhere near stand up upstairs and the one I went on made dreadful noises when changing up the gearbox.
I really like the PO51 Presidents that they've done up to look very smart. All The Green Bus fleet looks smart, but I'm looking forward to the disposal of the Volvo B10M East Lancs and the Plaxton Verdes. I haven't yet gone on 452, the Northern Counties Dennis Lance.
I would like to see some Volvo B7TL's with The Green Bus, as replacements for the Olympians. The Olympians seem to have plenty of life left and do look very good though.
Some B7TL's on an Alexander chassis, and a Plaxton chassis would be nice. I think some early Wright Eclipse Geminis would be nice, though they cost slightly more as they would be 52 plates.
The Olympians look nice-tho it will be sad to see the verdes go as I have a lot of memories of these buses... And by the way-geminis would not have to be 52 plate onwards: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34017324@N08/6009101416/
Just to change the topic slightly, is this the reason why the X62 is becoming the 98/99 or whatever? So NXWM can provide a direct link from Northfield - QE and compete with TGB's 64? I've never seen it that full myself, but it's interesting to see that they might finally be taking them seriously as a competitor...
It will be good to have another bus running from Northfield to QE Hospital st there is nothing in the evening and weekends and will give the 64 Green Bus competition so what bus will people use but with the £1.00 fare should draw people to the Green Bus. I wonder if they will expand and operate any more routes? The 006 they operated wasn't successful though as it only really had a couple of elderly passengers using it.
I wonder why during half term such as this week they only operate the 64 route but not the 50A and 558?
Quote from: Mike360 on June 08, 2012, 10:47:58 PM
I wonder why during half term such as this week they only operate the 64 route but not the 50A and 558?
It must be because the 64 is only ran by Green Bus, so no other service is available, as the 558 will be covered by NXWM on the 1 between Dudley and Wolverhampton, and the 50A has the 50 to Maypole.
Quote from: John-s-91 on June 08, 2012, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: Mike360 on June 08, 2012, 10:47:58 PM
I wonder why during half term such as this week they only operate the 64 route but not the 50A and 558?
It must be because the 64 is only ran by Green Bus, so no other service is available, as the 558 will be covered by NXWM on the 1 between Dudley and Wolverhampton, and the 50A has the 50 to Maypole.
OK thanks for that.
Passed Green Bus' yard this evening. Is that an ex Rorala Bristol Park & Ride Gemini parked up in the yard? It is certainly the right livery.
Quote from: Michael on June 06, 2012, 07:57:28 PM
I think some early Wright Eclipse Geminis would be nice, though they cost slightly more as they would be 52 plates.
Bit random but there are actually 51 plate Gemini's, London United have some!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21611052@N02/4039353491/
Seen yesterday and today out on Green Bus work is ex Rotala Gemini EY 07 AXK
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/EY07AXK.html
Not sure if it is acquired, on loan or in use by someone else under contract as it has no legals and just a piece of paper with the Green Bus logo on and some writing I was unable to read as it went past in heavy rain this morning.
Hope it stays with green bus, be good to see one on the 1 or outside my house on the Camp Hill run!
Why on earth did Rotala sell this bus through ensignbus? They should have transferred it to Preston to replace an olympian there-which are incidentally being refurbished-surely they should just be withdrawn?
Pretty certain this bus along with another was being held at Volant PVS in Aldridge. It had been brought for use on a park and ride service for Wessex Connect but they were never awarded the tender, so the bus was returned back to them.
Just noticed that green bus are moving on two volvo citybus D10m`s for a fleet upgrade.A good reliable bus type that`s had its day?
Oh and their Dennis Lance`s as well.
I caught 658 their Volvo today on the 64 and even though I don't like them that much and their ugly I'm still going to miss them. I wonder if they will invest in any new single deckers or just have an entire double decker fleet and get rid of their other dennis lance northern countries single decker?
I used to drive these Volvos when they were at Arriva and I loved them. Probably a little out of date now but very reliable workhorses, the only major problem with them was that the power steering system was prone to dumping it's fluid and leaving you somewhat stuck! I'm sure the mechanics amongst you will give us a few other faults about them but I loved driving them. Admittedly these East Lancs examples were ugly and the lower ceiling height didn't suit everyone, the Northern Counties ones we had were much smarter and more comfortable.
I would have thought they'd become a fully double deck fleet to be more suited to school bus services which often get quite full.
Their Wolverhampton services only really need single deckers due to patronage
The Verdes are usually in Wolverhampton on the 558 and schools, everytime I'm in town with time to spare I'd hope a Metrobus turns up but its always on the days im busy the Metros turn up, anyone from Green Bus who reads this, Metrobuses on the 558 please lol
You occasionally see Verdes on the 50A too, one was out today on it.
Going through the fleet list, and other than the tridents they seem to be all ex Diamond, and the new Rotala gemini. Is there a reason for this? Some kind of deal with Rotala, or do they just happen to use the same second hand buyer?
Quote from: Badger on July 02, 2012, 09:43:34 PM
Going through the fleet list, and other than the tridents they seem to be all ex Diamond, and the new Rotala gemini. Is there a reason for this? Some kind of deal with Rotala, or do they just happen to use the same second hand buyer?
Diamond haven't operated Metrobuses, if I'm correct?
It's just a coincidence. Diamond aren't far from The Green Bus so it's practical.
i just got this of woestorshire bus sews site the 50a is to run an hourley service between birmingham and redditch between 7am and 5pm monday to firday and a new hourly saturday service between 9am anf 4pm it is to run the same way as the x50 this is due to start on the 3 spetember 2012
Maybe they could run to redditch instead of the 64-the loadings on this have plumetted since the new 98 service began
Quote from: adam 21 on August 03, 2012, 06:21:54 PM
i just got this of woestorshire bus sews site the 50a is to run an hourley service between birmingham and redditch between 7am and 5pm monday to firday and a new hourly saturday service between 9am anf 4pm it is to run the same way as the x50 this is due to start on the 3 spetember 2012
Find it good that this service is extended now ;)
So how much will a flat fare cost to Redditch then?
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 03, 2012, 06:26:27 PM
Quote from: adam 21 on August 03, 2012, 06:21:54 PM
i just got this of woestorshire bus sews site the 50a is to run an hourley service between birmingham and redditch between 7am and 5pm monday to firday and a new hourly saturday service between 9am anf 4pm it is to run the same way as the x50 this is due to start on the 3 spetember 2012
Find it good that this service is extended now ;)
Probably more than £1!!
just seen on the network west midlands website changing on the 3rd september 2012 service 64 will be extended in to the city centre and will have a 15 mins monday to firday and a new 30 mins saturday jounerys
Thats good and Ill be able to use it on a Saturday then to get to harborne :) Tho id say the 64's loadings have decreased recently dont know what others think
Quote from: Peter123 on August 04, 2012, 08:03:07 PM
Thats good and Ill be able to use it on a Saturday then to get to harborne :) Tho id say the 64's loadings have decreased recently dont know what others think
I think true because since the 98 was extended the 64 has less loadings (it used to be busy providing the only link between the QE Hospital and Northfield) and especially the last service of the day used to get quite busy
mmm extending to city I guess there will be some competition between TGB and NXWM as if it gos to city via Harborne (thats 10,22,23 routes) and its final destination is Rubery then people may just get the 98 to rubery instead
THough I still use TGB as £1 fare :D (though i suspect as Redditch is outside the region the fare would increase)
I do like using the Green Bus and will definitely be using this to go into town from Northfield. It's a great route and much quicker than the 29 for getting to Harborne and it's just £1 which is brilliant and I do hope that this will still continue. Now it's going to town will then mean it won't be able to use metro buses though. It also shouldn't take to long in getting into town and if it does keep the £1.00 cost then I can see the route doing really well. Plus Saturdays is a bonus!
Quote from: Mike360 on August 04, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
I do like using the Green Bus and will definitely be using this to go into town from Northfield. It's a great route and much quicker than the 29 for getting to Harborne and it's just £1 which is brilliant and I do hope that this will still continue. Now it's going to town will then mean it won't be able to use metro buses though. It also shouldn't take to long in getting into town and if it does keep the £1.00 cost then I can see the route doing really well. Plus Saturdays is a bonus!
That's fair enough as the 29 takes way too long :P
Probably needs new buses to meet emission rules
Theyve got a lot of tridents now plus a new volvo decker so they should be okay for emissions-the ex london ones will probably have traps too. I hope the service to town does well and I agree that the 29 is a super slow route. Plus green bus have nice buses (metros as my favourites) and good drivers. Itll do well on a Saturday too-Ill catch it for one!
Have they bought that B9TL from Volant PSV then?
Its from ensignbus-ex wessex connect
Im asking because on the day of the Aston Manor open day. I saw it parked in the yard of Volant PSV
Oh right-maybe they were doing work on it for GB. Has it been repainted into fleet livery yet?
I assume its being worked on now as one of the new GB Tridents was in one of the buildings having received fleet livery
Yes, and I havent seen it out and about recently-I did see it in service near Chelmsley Wood a fair while ago tho
Quote from: Peter123 on August 05, 2012, 03:37:51 PM
Yes, and I havent seen it out and about recently-I did see it in service near Chelmsley Wood a fair while ago tho
Ensign have now sold it on, along with its 3 sisters
Thats a shame-tho it didnt really fit in with the rest of the fleet. Theyve gone to an operator near london havent they?
I was going through Northfield on Friday and spotted a white Dennis Dart operating on the 64. I think the reg was MX55 HYA
Quote from: BC driver on August 05, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
I was going through Northfield on Friday and spotted a white Dennis Dart operating on the 64. I think the reg was MX55 HYA
Green Bus have had Central buses MY 56 HYA on hire for the last couple of weeks while they are committed to the Coventry Olympics work
Quote from: BC driver on August 05, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
I was going through Northfield on Friday and spotted a white Dennis Dart operating on the 64. I think the reg was MX55 HYA
Are Green Bus recruting for their extentions for the 50A to Redditch and the 64 to Birmingham
I doubt it!! Theyll just be utilising drivers that until now were just used for schools and I doubt the extensions to the routes will dramatically increase vehicle/drivers requirements many of whom I imagine will be happy to work saturdays
http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/the-green-bus-birmingham
seems very popular!
Seems like Green Bus have now sold their 2 Volvo Citybuses, or at least withdrawn them, as they've disappeared from the fleetlist on their website. Not a surprise as they tried (and failed) to sell them on eBay a month or two ago. Shame, as they were actually my favourite buses in the fleet - and the fastest too, H682 GPF in particular seemed ridiculously fast for its age as it could easily outpull the new NXWM Enviro400's. I guess they weren't to everybody's taste though.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
I guess they weren't to everybody's taste though.
You got that right!
I got on H658 in July and it was horrible, Green Bus worst kept vehicle, hideous design and quite slow compared to Metrobuses
Quote from: Ashley on August 21, 2012, 12:11:15 AM
I got on H658 in July and it was horrible, Green Bus worst kept vehicle, hideous design and quite slow compared to Metrobuses
Slower? It flies past them, trust me! It's not as fast as the other Citybus but much much faster than the Metros. My bus route includes a massive hill and many times 658 has cruised past Metros (dual carriageway not crazy drivers!). Metros on the other hand struggle to overtake cyclists up that hill.
Anyone no what route the 64 will follow into brum or where in the city centre wi will serve
I passed 113 (NK51 UCX) going through Oldswinford today, it was heading out of Birmingham, with nothing on the front but 64 on the rear display, I guess the driver forgot to turn it off although I don't know what he was doing there at about 4:20pm, obviously couldn't be heading back to the depot, maybe they're extending the 64 a lot further haha..
..but more importantly...it's been painted, at last! I was beginning to wonder whether they were actually going to give 112 & 113 TGB livery at all. Don't know whether 112 has been painted too as I haven't seen it in ages and their fleet details haven't been updated on their website but it most likely has :)
Resuming school services I presume, most of the Birmingham Grammar schools started Thursday 30th as they are now Academies and can alter term times.
50a - get around for a x offer
£1 maypole to birmingham
£2 wythall to birmingham
£3 redditch to birmingham
This is cheap as chips-might go out to redditch
Quote from: Peter123 on August 31, 2012, 06:08:17 PM
This is cheap as chips-might go out to redditch
Not that cheap, cost £6 to get to Redditch and back. An off-peak return on the train Birmingham to Redditch is £5.
Its cheaper than first though isnt it? Just wondering whether ppl think itll b a success what with there already being three routes from redditch to brum-will there be sufficient passenger numbers? I would bet that there wont be!!
£6.40 first day ticket
I think its something like £4.20 bham - redditch
The Dart Green bus had on the 50A today, W438CRN has previous has previous West Midlands history! It visited Walsall for a repaint when Travel London acquired it in 2006. A photo today, and in 2006 are here
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/W438CRN.html
Tony
Looks like its got aircon-hope green bus keep and use this feature tho I know its unlikely.....
Currently on 64 from birmingham to rubery on one of their tridents with the staircase bang in the middle and it is full to capacity, good load at brum and plenty at QE, .think the route is here to stay :)
Well done GreenBus!!
Quote from: danny on September 05, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Currently on 64 from birmingham to rubery on one of their tridents with the staircase bang in the middle and it is full to capacity, good load at brum and plenty at QE, .think the route is here to stay :)
Same
usually 64 is not busy as usual as now since it now goes to Birmingham via Cannon Hill Park
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 05, 2012, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: danny on September 05, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Currently on 64 from birmingham to rubery on one of their tridents with the staircase bang in the middle and it is full to capacity, good load at brum and plenty at QE, .think the route is here to stay :)
Same
usually 64 is not busy as usual as now since it now goes to Birmingham via Cannon Hill Park
Where did they all get off? I have been stood at the front of New Street Station all day from 08:00 until 15:30 (hello to the several people who came and said hello) and the highest load I saw on a Green Bus was 6
Mine was the 14:10 journey and their were defo more than six few got off at hosital majority were for northfield
Forgive me if I am not up to date but in Wolves today was Y118 HWB numbered 8008 (Dart/ALX) and V323 KWG numbered 9723 (Trident/DP) Working on the 558 with Green bus stickers but not in GB livery. I don't think they are on the fleet list on the main site are they on hire or summat??
Theyve come from abellio the london company some are for use at TGB and others are for sale
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2012, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 05, 2012, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: danny on September 05, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Currently on 64 from birmingham to rubery on one of their tridents with the staircase bang in the middle and it is full to capacity, good load at brum and plenty at QE, .think the route is here to stay :)
Same
usually 64 is not busy as usual as now since it now goes to Birmingham via Cannon Hill Park
Where did they all get off? I have been stood at the front of New Street Station all day from 08:00 until 15:30 (hello to the several people who came and said hello) and the highest load I saw on a Green Bus was 6
Hi Tony
Most of the time busy QE - Northfield up to Rubery (i know 98 is avaliable but the £1 fare is tempting)
Green Bus have now put most of the recent torrent of London buses up for sale, the only site where I found details was on Flickr. The vehicles for sale are:
- V304 KGW
- V309 KGW
- V314 KGW
- V316 KGW
- V317 KGW
- V319 KGW
- V322 KGW
- V324 KGW
- Y118 HWB
I assume all others are going to be kept, one or two have already been given TGB livery and are in service.
Here is a link to their Flickr page for vehicles for sale: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreenbus/sets/72157631441738918/
There's part of me that hopes Green Bus aren't going to get themselves in trouble, but my usual drive to work is along the NXWM route 1 into Wolverhampton and every day this week I've seen their buses being shadowed by Green Bus buses working the 558 with former Abellio vehicles. Are they officially timetabled to run so close?
Quote from: Mr Wood on September 08, 2012, 05:15:44 PM
There's part of me that hopes Green Bus aren't going to get themselves in trouble, but my usual drive to work is along the NXWM route 1 into Wolverhampton and every day this week I've seen their buses being shadowed by Green Bus buses working the 558 with former Abellio vehicles. Are they officially timetabled to run so close?
Part of the problem is different levels of frequency. NX run every 7/8 minutes and Green Bus every 20. I used the 558 on Monday, the 1 left Wolverhampton as timetabled 4 minutes ahead of the Green Bus which also left on time. The Green Bus soon caught NX up and they ran together. I also think Green Bus has a slightly shorter running time.
RA51KKD
http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/Independants/West-Midlands/The-Green-Bus-Company/22074144_PT8F4K#!i=2076327970&k=qMs7vNg&lb=1&s=A
RA51KKE
http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/Independants/West-Midlands/The-Green-Bus-Company/22074144_PT8F4K#!i=2076328460&k=P3VQt2H&lb=1&s=A
RA51KKG
http://tomonthebuses.smugmu
g.com/Independants/West-Midlands/The-Green-Bus-Company/22074144_PT8F4K#!i=2076328975&k=37GZPCD&lb=1&s=A
These are the 3 that are allocated to the 558 last week
These look good-I like Caetano Nimbuses
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 06, 2012, 11:13:38 PM
Green Bus have now put most of the recent torrent of London buses up for sale, the only site where I found details was on Flickr. The vehicles for sale are:
- V304 KGW
- V309 KGW
- V314 KGW
- V316 KGW
- V317 KGW
- V319 KGW
- V322 KGW
- V324 KGW
- Y118 HWB
I assume all others are going to be kept, one or two have already been given TGB livery and are in service.
Here is a link to their Flickr page for vehicles for sale: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreenbus/sets/72157631441738918/
There may be a bit more to all these ex Abellio arrivals at Greenbus, according to the London Bus Yahoo group there is a series of new school bus services in the Guilford area operating out of Abellio's Byfleet depot which involves 8 x Tridents & 1 x Dart SLF. As I currently understand those vehicles will eventually be operated under the Greenbus identity & receive Greenbus livery, at present Greenbus, Birmingham Tridents 109/110 which are also ex Abellio are providing cover down there. I'm not sure at present whether it's a new operation is connection with Abellio, a new operation for Greenbus Birmingham based at the Byfleet depot of Abellio or some sort of franchise?
Does anyone else know anymore? I've also asked the question on London Bus Group
Quote from: Winston on September 11, 2012, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 06, 2012, 11:13:38 PM
Green Bus have now put most of the recent torrent of London buses up for sale, the only site where I found details was on Flickr. The vehicles for sale are:
- V304 KGW
- V309 KGW
- V314 KGW
- V316 KGW
- V317 KGW
- V319 KGW
- V322 KGW
- V324 KGW
- Y118 HWB
I assume all others are going to be kept, one or two have already been given TGB livery and are in service.
Here is a link to their Flickr page for vehicles for sale: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreenbus/sets/72157631441738918/
There may be a bit more to all these ex Abellio arrivals at Greenbus, according to the London Bus Yahoo group there is a series of new school bus services in the Guilford area operating out of Abellio's Byfleet depot which involves 8 x Tridents & 1 x Dart SLF. As I currently understand those vehicles will eventually be operated under the Greenbus identity & receive Greenbus livery, at present Greenbus, Birmingham Tridents 109/110 which are also ex Abellio are providing cover down there. I'm not sure at present whether it's a new operation is connection with Abellio, a new operation for Greenbus Birmingham based at the Byfleet depot of Abellio or some sort of franchise?
Does anyone else know anymore? I've also asked the question on London Bus Group
The contract was won by Green Bus who have sub-contracted the operation to Abellio
The contract was won by Green Bus who have sub-contracted the operation to Abellio
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Thanks Tony!
I caught a metrobus E462SON on the 64 into town today, the last journey.
Abellio RA51KKG (8457) was seen in dudley this morning on the 558.
The Green Bus really have let standards slip of late. They are operating buses in old deliveries with just a sticker over the existing white or red liveries or just front and back repaints and a scrappy skirt repaint - no better than Travel Express and the likes.
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
Looks like another A2Z or Pete's Travel trying to expand too quickly.
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
The Green Bus really have let standards slip of late. They are operating buses in old deliveries with just a sticker over the existing white or red liveries or just front and back repaints and a scrappy skirt repaint - no better than Travel Express and the likes.
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
Looks like another A2Z or Pete's Travel trying to expand too quickly.
Agreed-they need to paint these newly acquired buses as they look sh*t especially on the 50 where all the other companies' buses are relatively smart. Maximum number of ppl seen on their deckers was about 4 tho they had a little alx200 which had about 20 on at one point.
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
The Green Bus really have let standards slip of late. They are operating buses in old deliveries with just a sticker over the existing white or red liveries or just front and back repaints and a scrappy skirt repaint - no better than Travel Express and the likes.
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
Looks like another A2Z or Pete's Travel trying to expand too quickly.
Did Pete's Travel expand too quickly? It was around for a decent amount of time before being sold off and becoming People's Express.
Quote from: Peter123 on September 30, 2012, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
The Green Bus really have let standards slip of late. They are operating buses in old deliveries with just a sticker over the existing white or red liveries or just front and back repaints and a scrappy skirt repaint - no better than Travel Express and the likes.
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
Looks like another A2Z or Pete's Travel trying to expand too quickly.
Agreed-they need to paint these newly acquired buses as they look sh*t especially on the 50 where all the other companies' buses are relatively smart. Maximum number of ppl seen on their deckers was about 4 tho they had a little alx200 which had about 20 on at one point.
I'd be more concerned about school services where they concentrate their business. They have targeted quite specific schools to start and it looks like they've got a foot in the door and now feels as though they don't need to make the effort.
Id like to think that greenbus have a repatable excuse for not painting the new stock, but i have seen 3 single deckers over the last few days and the standard has slipped dramatically, but i have not seen a rubbish double deck ever, cant help thinking the singles may be a tempory fixture as most of their school contracts demand double deckers, and on the bristol rd/wolverhampton road and 50 ibecause from an outsider looking in they seem like profitable routes to have a crack at oporating, this is strictly an opinion i have never seen a green bus on public routes bursting with passangers,
It is all part of a deal with Abellio where Green Bus have won some school contracts in Surrey, and Abellio are going to operate them using Green Bus owned vehicles. Green Bus have acquired a large batch of buses from Abellio and are needing to use some of these that are not staying while those that are staying are got up to standard. You only have to look at the quality of the first one fully done, Trident 114, to realise that they do intend keeping to their normal standards
The morning journey on school service CH3 has been operated by a Central Buses Volvo Olympian whenever I've seen it this term - always very smart and with the correct destination display, as one would expect with this operator.
Does anyone know if this is sub-contract, a vehicle loan or something else?
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
The Green Bus really have let standards slip of late. They are operating buses in old deliveries with just a sticker over the existing white or red liveries or just front and back repaints and a scrappy skirt repaint - no better than Travel Express and the likes.
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
Looks like another A2Z or Pete's Travel trying to expand too quickly.
Saw one of the Darts on the 50A in the week with full Abellio legal lettering on it, not what you would expect of Green Bus, as it is possibly illegal?
I read with interest comments about whether standards are slipping as some vehicles are being run in previous operators livery. Livery is one aspect of what makes a good bus company. Despite needing to operate some vehicles in previous liveries other important aspects have been maintained on the vehicles I have seen.
1. Polite and couteous driver in smart uniform.
2. Company name displyed front and side and sometimes around the destination box.
3. Destination information displayed in electronic form or on a destination board (single deckers on 558)
4. Buses usually have timetables on board - which other operator does this?
5. Fantastic value fares.
6. Well maintained vehicles very clean inside and out.
To liken them to Travel Express is extremely unfair. How succesful any additional operator can be on the 50 with NX and Diamond I'm not sure. Whether they are expanding too quickly only time will tell.
Green Bus have in the past been very fast with implementing very well formed and detailed liveries on their buses. I'm sure there's some reason, such as the fact these are models they didn't previously operate and are just waiting for the liveries to be cut etc. I don't think, at this point, they can be called a Travel Express; maybe in a few months if their fleet is a mishmash of styles then they're getting there, but even then there's more to Travel Express's problems than just it's liveries.
As can be seen here the livery change is in progress:
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/502.html
Quoteif NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
NXWM are hardly reputable for their livery! They're all over the place!
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
You're posting in the wrong thread....try the 'Avin a Laugh' thread in General.
Quote from: andy on September 30, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on September 30, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
if NXWM can operate over 1500 buses and STILL turn them out to a relatively high standard, why can't GB?
You're posting in the wrong thread....try the 'Avin a Laugh' thread in General.
Touche Andy! Greenbus have a fraction of the fleet and proportionately higher maintenance capacity.
As for the standards of uniform and friendly drivers, in the main, they are, however the regular driver on WG1 always has an earpiece welded to his head which I thought wasn't permitted, not to mention the mish mash of uniform that is worn. Giving a new driver a tie and justifying it ad a uniform is way off the mark.
My overall observations are mounting up and Greenbus are taking their eye off the ball.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 30, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
What vehciles will be used on the 125 service starting up. I presume they will use tridents or as i see with most routes any vehcile that is avaliable
On VOSA today Greenbus have withdrawn their 125 from 25th Nov
Does anyone know what the loadings are like on the 50A?
I think its quite average tbf whenever ive seen them arround they dont look empty, seem to be better at the peak hours
Quote from: sonic84 on October 09, 2012, 10:00:34 PM
Does anyone know what the loadings are like on the 50A?
Usually the service around 5pm I see every day is quite full and virtually empty at say 10am
Green Bus 558 Dart of official diversion in Dudley this morning trying to get up St James's road which is totally unsuitable for buses, especially at that time in the morning, this isn't the only stupid bit of driving I've seen on the 558, hope someone has a word otherwise this operator is bordering on being a little cowboyish which is a shame.
I got on a Lance on the 558 yesterday afternoon and my word it was quick, mind you i was actually shaking a little, good job for those chunky handrails lol
Speaking of their 558 service, I'm beginning to wonder if it's profitable to be worth being run. I pass a couple of the Caetano Nimbuses every morning on my way in to Wolverhampton and it's rare to even see one or two passengers on it. Plus passengers waiting at bus stops (between 7.30 and 8 when I'm normally on the road) are standing back from the kerbside when their buses approach, presumably as they have NXWM passes.
I don't use the 558 so can't say but the 64 seems to be well used when I see it. Their single Decker Dennis Dart I saw in Selly Oak going towards Rubery was nearly full.
I don't use the 558 but it runs across the top of my road and I only see pensioners on it, there's usually a few 'pramfaces' get on it at burton road (at the stop that leads to the wrens nest) towards dudley. But they must make some money otherwise I think they would have cancelled it.
I caught a Green 558 on Tuesday morning and was surprised at the amount of people that caught it, mostly fair paying taking advantage of the £1 fare. However there were complaints that it was not a step free bus and there was no room for pushchairs unless you folded them!
Its the Lances I see on the 558 on the days im out but there are a fair few fare payers making the most of the low fares and quick running time
On the Green Bus 558 page it is reported that this Saturday 10th November 558 will be run by 4 of their Metrobuses, potentially one of the last times to ever ride a Metrobus in normal standard fare paying role in the West Midlands as surely with all Green Bus's latest additions the Metro's haven't got long left. Ex-WN Metro 2989 will be running also, back on its orignal stomping ground. Should be a good day, I'll definetly be out in the morning.
Well thats my saturday sorted haha :D
Rowan Telmac have Green Bus Trident 121 on their stand at Euro Bus Expo (assume it was another ex Abellio London one), it has been converted to single door & refurbished to a high standard/spec with seat belted leather seats (American school bus style)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8161785410/in/set-72157631945085283
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8161793636/in/set-72157631945085283
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8161793906/in/set-72157631945085283
That interior looks fantastic
Are others going to get that treatment?
Waste of money! They'll only end up on school work!
Well not really, that's where they make the most money
I'm not sure spending that sort of money on a 12 year old trident will be good value for money. Green Bus obviously think it is. The vehicle is actually ex Travel London V324 KGW
I would be frightened to death to let anyone on, let alone a load of kids!!
There comes a time when you can no longer throw money @12 year old buses! Its ex London and if there was any chance of it being cost effective for this sort of refurbishment then tfl would be allowing there bus operators to put them out to tender on tfl work! It looks nice but ots an old,tired,worn out bus that is well past its best! The old saying "MUTTON dreesed as LAMB"
Quote from: andyr on November 07, 2012, 07:23:27 PM
There comes a time when you can no longer throw money @12 year old buses! Its ex London and if there was any chance of it being cost effective for this sort of refurbishment then tfl would be allowing there bus operators to put them out to tender on tfl work! It looks nice but ots an old,tired,worn out bus that is well past its best! The old saying "MUTTON dreesed as LAMB"
I think it's a bit more impressive than that. And if it's had substantial mechanical overhaul aswell, why shouldn't it go on for another 7 or 8 years?
They've probably spent more on it than it's worth!
Regardless of price and value for money, it is a fantastic looking interior.
Quote from: JackC on November 07, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Regardless of price and value for money, it is a fantastic looking interior.
A before and after of the exterior will appear on the main site in about 5 minutes
I was told by someone on the stand at the show that it was to be used for private hire.
I've been on the Greenbus service 125 to town on a Metrobus. Not since 2007 have I been on one (126 route) going down brim new rd and its been just over 2 yrs since I've rid on a Metrobus.
What a ride.
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: JackC on November 07, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Regardless of price and value for money, it is a fantastic looking interior.
A before and after of the exterior will appear on the main site in about 5 minutes
I thought they'd changed the front indicators. Pictures confirm that. Looks like the headlamps have been changed too?
Impeessive yes! cost effective? Cost to buy vehicle £---? Cost of refurd £-++? Life span of vehicle ? I do not think it can add up, its a time expired old bus that could not possibly justify this kind of investment. How many years to repay this investment?
Well the Trident is 12 years old and Green Bus are regularly using Metrobuses that are 24 years old, so by that maths, the Trident's got another 12 years left still!!
Should surely be recouped in 8 years or so on school work and lots of private hires. Plus a flagship bus for the company to show pictures of to get more people to travel with them
Quote from: Peter123 on November 07, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Should surely be recouped in 8 years or so on school work and lots of private hires. Plus a flagship bus for the company to show pictures of to get more people to travel with them
Totally agree, will be used for all the advertising work, my only wonder now is whether they'll stick a Private plate on it, TGB 1 or 1 TGB or something, or if there really trying and its not taken 121 TGB! We'll see, because as long as you remove the V plate no one will know outside the bus enthusiasts how old it is
Quote from: wilmotm on November 07, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Well the Trident is 12 years old and Green Bus are regularly using Metrobuses that are 24 years old, so by that maths, the Trident's got another 12 years left still!!
There are many buses that will never get anywhere near 24 year old. Do you really expect Spectras to still be in service at 24 years?
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy. The refurb has probably increased the book price by about 4 times but there is no way another operator would pay over £20,000 for a second hand V reg trident
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on November 07, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Well the Trident is 12 years old and Green Bus are regularly using Metrobuses that are 24 years old, so by that maths, the Trident's got another 12 years left still!!
There are many buses that will never get anywhere near 24 year old. Do you really expect Spectras to still be in service at 24 years?
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy. The refurb has probably increased the book price by about 4 times but there is no way another operator would pay over £20,000 for a second hand V reg trident
The spectras arn't far off 16 years old so you never know there stands a good chance but not with their first owner
Could there be a chance that Rowan Telmac have paid for or part paid for the work? It is certainly a showcase for them and could get some nice orders for them, being on display at the NEC.
Quote from: andy on November 07, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
I would be frightened to death to let anyone on, let alone a load of kids!!
I am a 'schoolkid' and I can safely say it would make my day to get this on my route one day instead of the usual Metrobuses. Such a shame that a few braindead little children feel the need to deface and damage buses for no good reason giving everyone else on the school runs a bad reputation
Metrobus 313 was on the 125 today, Dudley to Wolves, was brill
Either way 121 may have a good bill of health but what about the others! I'm not being funny other anything but i was on the 50A on 119 and it wasnt the best journey I've had on a Trident before. Now that could be due to the fact the First's are newer, but i the ruled that out when I was on the 97A. 119 had troubles with any type of hill, man made or other; but going down hill was fine just going up up hill was slow! Now 119 is a 51 plate and I seem to remember Red Diamonds S reg Scania's going up hill quicker when they were on the 178, I didn't think slip roads were that step or the hills around Beoley but maybe they are to Tridents.
As 121 goes i think Rowan Telmac may not have payed 50 to 100% of the refurb bill as they have done refurbs for First and Go-Ahead. So the question is why spend that kind of money on a School bus that might do other work other than School work when you have cretins who think its fun/funny to deface other peoples property. (rant over)
Quote from: tank90 on November 08, 2012, 12:51:13 AM
So the question is why spend that kind of money on a School bus that might do other work other than School work when you have cretins who think its fun/funny to deface other peoples property. (rant over)
See what I mean. I hate those people, maybe if they acted a bit more like human beings the rest of us wouldn't have to lose out on things because of the minority who are scum.
Quote from: tank90 on November 08, 2012, 12:51:13 AM
Either way 121 may have a good bill of health but what about the others! I'm not being funny other anything but i was on the 50A on 119 and it wasnt the best journey I've had on a Trident before. Now that could be due to the fact the First's are newer, but i the ruled that out when I was on the 97A. 119 had troubles with any type of hill, man made or other; but going down hill was fine just going up up hill was slow! Now 119 is a 51 plate and I seem to remember Red Diamonds S reg Scania's going up hill quicker when they were on the 178, I didn't think slip roads were that step or the hills around Beoley but maybe they are to Tridents.
As 121 goes i think Rowan Telmac may not have payed 50 to 100% of the refurb bill as they have done refurbs for First and Go-Ahead. So the question is why spend that kind of money on a School bus that might do other work other than School work when you have cretins who think its fun/funny to deface other peoples property. (rant over)
121 hasn't got a good bill of health. I believe it was towed to the NEC because the engine is unfit!
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on November 07, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Well the Trident is 12 years old and Green Bus are regularly using Metrobuses that are 24 years old, so by that maths, the Trident's got another 12 years left still!!
There are many buses that will never get anywhere near 24 year old. Do you really expect Spectras to still be in service at 24 years?
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy. The refurb has probably increased the book price by about 4 times but there is no way another operator would pay over £20,000 for a second hand V reg trident
A couple of weeks ago on ebay, the adminstrators for RH Transport had tridents for sale, 02 plate, and they wanted £25000 for each one. Doubt any were sold for that price
Isn't the point of this refurb to give a new lease of life to an older bus. It'd be a bit pointless doing it to a new bus
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy.
I very much doubt they paid 6 grand for that Trident.
http://www.staffordbuscentre.com/Buses-For-Sale.html
Here's an X reg example going for 15 grand. That V reg would have been between 10 and 15.
121 appears to have had the lights altered, the indicators appear to be clear LED and the headlights also look strange, like eyeballs? wonder if it has had a xenon conversion? Though i do not see headlight washers which xenons must have?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 08, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
121 appears to have had the lights altered, the indicators appear to be clear LED and the headlights also look strange, like eyeballs? wonder if it has had a xenon conversion? Though i do not see headlight washers which xenons must have?
They could've had LEDs fitted to the rim of the lamp? I did think that was maybe the case myself.
Quote from: Michael on November 08, 2012, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy.
I very much doubt they paid 6 grand for that Trident.
http://www.staffordbuscentre.com/Buses-For-Sale.html
Here's an X reg example going for 15 grand. That V reg would have been between 10 and 15.
I think you will find it was around £6,000. If you saw the bus at the NEC there was a sticker on the side with a list thanking all the companies in the refurbishment. There were about 12, not just Rowan Telmac. I was talking to one of the other companies at the NEC yesterday. Remember the one you put the link too is being advertised by a dealer. He will have bought that for much less than £15,000 as he will have his mark up on, his costs for making it presentable and usuable. I bet if you went to SBC with a pile of used banknotes you wouldn't need to pay the full £15,000 he is advertising it at
Green Bus bought all those buses from Abellio in basically a dealer capacity in as withdrawn condition
And i was reading something in route one saying that essentially 121 was completely knackered-that is why it was chosen for the work.
Quote from: Peter123 on November 08, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
And i was reading something in route one saying that essentially 121 was completely knackered-that is why it was chosen for the work.
I believe it had to be towed to the NEC because the engine is no good
Hasnt it been reengined with a euro 5 engine? Pretty sure it has, in that case it should be fine. Unless they havent done the mechanical work yet of course.
Is it not the case that most Expo vehicles are towed to the exhibition just so that they are pristine and in the best condition for display?
Quote from: andy on November 08, 2012, 08:57:33 PM
Is it not the case that most Expo vehicles are towed to the exhibition just so that they are pristine and in the best condition for display?
No, I have a photograph of the Claribels going down the M6 on Saturday. Why do you think the engine compartment on 121 was sealed? because the engine under there is still the worn one.
Was the claribels one on trade plates or something?
Or There is No engine in there :o and isnt viewable because no one would wnat to see an empty engine bay :-\
Either way it sounds like someone was laughing when Green Bus took them out of London. 119 sounded as if it was on its last legs going up the hills, some of the L/M reg Lances with FMR sound better and they've had years of tinkering from Midland Red Mechanics. And i say that because I was on one of First Presidents Going up Station Way today and it sounded fine and then Rough Hill Drive and that was a T reg!
Quote from: Peter123 on November 08, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Was the claribels one on trade plates or something?
Yes, I still don't have the correct reg for it
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2012, 06:50:39 PM
Quote from: Michael on November 08, 2012, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
That bus will have cost Green bus about £6.000 to buy.
I very much doubt they paid 6 grand for that Trident.
http://www.staffordbuscentre.com/Buses-For-Sale.html
Here's an X reg example going for 15 grand. That V reg would have been between 10 and 15.
I think you will find it was around £6,000. If you saw the bus at the NEC there was a sticker on the side with a list thanking all the companies in the refurbishment. There were about 12, not just Rowan Telmac. I was talking to one of the other companies at the NEC yesterday. Remember the one you put the link too is being advertised by a dealer. He will have bought that for much less than £15,000 as he will have his mark up on, his costs for making it presentable and usuable. I bet if you went to SBC with a pile of used banknotes you wouldn't need to pay the full £15,000 he is advertising it at
Green Bus bought all those buses from Abellio in basically a dealer capacity in as withdrawn condition
The V-reg Tridents had also been out of use for sometime & some arrived at Green Bus without seats & a few parts missing i.e. headlights etc. Abellio had unsuccessfully tried to sell them previously via an auction. Greenbus bought them as a job lot, no doubt at a knocked down price. I had thought 121 may have been one of the 51 plate ex Abellio one's though
Has anyone seen Green Bus 116 today? I was sent a message by someone earlier that it had been reregistered (to V16TGB?) by someone while I was at work, and I cannot find the message now to check the exact details.
DVLA still have it as V316 KGW so it is a very recent change
First ride on the infamous 119 today. It was even worse than I expected! It's fine on flat/downhill but going up a hill you're better off in nearly any other vehicle. I've been up that same hill faster in Metrobuses. Very bad for one of Green Bus' newest vehicles.
313, 989, 458 and 464 are the Metro's out, fantastic day, been years since a whole routes PVR was made up of Metro's. Slight timing issues aside as the Wolves are at home but excellent day, plenty of spotters out and plenty of sunshine to spot in! Thanks TGB
its weird hearing the gardner/voith howl of a metro pounding the streets of wolverhampton today. are these on their way out with tgb?
I was on a WN trident today and it bought back memories when it pulled up from speed sounded just like the retarder on a metro
They were to be withdrawn this month but they're all being kept until July and 989 is already on the preservation list> Hopefully another day like today will happen when they do reach the end of their lives
Quote from: Ashley on November 10, 2012, 10:41:05 PM
They were to be withdrawn this month but they're all being kept until July and 989 is already on the preservation list> Hopefully another day like today will happen when they do reach the end of their lives
Makes sense as 989 is in lovely condition, yes the idle rattle is a little loud, but the interior, still NXWM blue and orange puts most of WN'S 126 Trident's to shame, and good grief is it quick, flying down Dudley Road this morning
it was like going back in time when on 989 with a still close to immaculate interior and the good old thrash I used to love
2/989 has been bought by someone I know who is planning to restore it to the way it was 15-20 years ago, in the Wolverhampton livery. Including the opening front windows. Really looking forward to seeing it done.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 12, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
2/989 has been bought by someone I know who is planning to restore it to the way it was 15-20 years ago, in the Wolverhampton livery. Including the opening front windows. Really looking forward to seeing it done.
Would that be a Greenbus driver, formerly an engineer at NXWM who was relieved of his duties for taking a bus out of garage without permission???
No names mentioned, obviously ;)
Yeah that's him haha. Hadn't heard about the nxwm thing though. Bet it was a metro!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 13, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
Yeah that's him haha. Hadn't heard about the nxwm thing though. Bet it was a metro!
From what I was told by a bloke with a big chin, he took a load of bus spotters out on a Metrobus and had someone hanging out of the platform! What a Rodney Trotted lol!
He dropped a few of his old work chums in it - not very popular when he left!!!!
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Has anyone seen Green Bus 116 today? I was sent a message by someone earlier that it had been reregistered (to V16TGB?) by someone while I was at work, and I cannot find the message now to check the exact details.
DVLA still have it as V316 KGW so it is a very recent change
Still V316KGW, out on the 50 today.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 14, 2012, 11:12:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 13, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
Yeah that's him haha. Hadn't heard about the nxwm thing though. Bet it was a metro!
From what I was told by a bloke with a big chin, he took a load of bus spotters out on a Metrobus and had someone hanging out of the platform! What a Rodney Trotted lol!
He dropped a few of his old work chums in it - not very popular when he left!!!!
That might be so but he certainly knows how to drive a bus well!
Quote from: NEL111P on November 14, 2012, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Has anyone seen Green Bus 116 today? I was sent a message by someone earlier that it had been reregistered (to V16TGB?) by someone while I was at work, and I cannot find the message now to check the exact details.
DVLA still have it as V316 KGW so it is a very recent change
Still V316KGW, out on the 50 today.
& still carrying V316KGW today, but 115 is now V15TGB
Quote from: NEL111P on November 15, 2012, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: NEL111P on November 14, 2012, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Has anyone seen Green Bus 116 today? I was sent a message by someone earlier that it had been reregistered (to V16TGB?) by someone while I was at work, and I cannot find the message now to check the exact details.
DVLA still have it as V316 KGW so it is a very recent change
Still V316KGW, out on the 50 today.
& still carrying V316KGW today, but 115 is now V15TGB
What was 115 previously?
green bus had a metro e464son pounding the roads on the 558 this afternoon
The 558's going to be getting anything again, the SCC Darts have left.
Hopefully going to see a few more Metrobuses on there before they go.
464 on the 558 today, 313 and another metro on the 125
Quote from: John on November 15, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 15, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
What was 115 previously?
'V311 KGW' on Tony's fleetlist
Nope, V323KGW. V311 is still red & current on DVLA, V323 is neither.
Quote from: NEL111P on November 20, 2012, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: John on November 15, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 15, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
What was 115 previously?
'V311 KGW' on Tony's fleetlist
Nope, V323KGW. V311 is still red & current on DVLA, V323 is neither.
It was V311 on the initial list Green Bus posted on their own website which is where I took it from. They corrected it and I altered my websute a few days ago
121 (V324 KGW), the London Trident extensively refurbished by Green Bus has now been re-registered as V15 TGB. It was working school service HC1 morning and afternoon today so they clearly aren't worried about putting it on school routes!
It was one of quite an interesting assortment of buses working the HC's: 121 on the HC1, the two ex TWM Metrobuses 3(0)13 and (2)989 on the 3 and 4, and fleetnumberless YN51 KUX on the 2; this bus is not in Green Bus livery and never will be as it is on loan and is going back to London either this weekend or the next. It has great acceleration and gears and is certainly a lot better than its sister KVF (119) but has a rather depressing top speed of 38. Certainly doesn't take long to reach that though.
Driving to London at a mere 38mph...
Driving to Dundee must be depressing though.
Quote from: Michael on November 23, 2012, 08:49:33 PM
Driving to London at a mere 38mph...
Driving to Dundee must be depressing though.
Several of the Abellio/Travel London Tridents are restricted to 38mph, same as other London Operators. I have driven several between Battersea and Walsall at 38mph when Walsall was painting them
Quote from: Tony on November 23, 2012, 09:13:32 PM
Quote from: Michael on November 23, 2012, 08:49:33 PM
Driving to London at a mere 38mph...
Driving to Dundee must be depressing though.
Several of the Abellio/Travel London Tridents are restricted to 38mph, same as other London Operators. I have driven several between Battersea and Walsall at 38mph when Walsall was painting them
That is almost flashing orange light territory!!
Reminds me of our old ECW Olympians, one of which had a top speed of 42/43, not great when you emerge onto the Aston Expressway in the outside lane with traffic off the M6 whipping up your inside!
the green bus service 64 will be returning to harboure again instead of birmingham city centre seen on they website today
Quote from: adam 21 on November 24, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
the green bus service 64 will be returning to harboure again instead of birmingham city centre seen on they website today
Yeah
At least there is no gap in service during school periods now :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 23, 2012, 06:54:20 PM
121 (V324 KGW), the London Trident extensively refurbished by Green Bus has now been re-registered as V15 TGB.
Nope again. V15TGB is carried by 115 as I posted earlier - & replied to by yourself....
Quote from: vinh1000 on November 24, 2012, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: adam 21 on November 24, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
the green bus service 64 will be returning to harboure again instead of birmingham city centre seen on they website today
Yeah
At least there is no gap in service during school periods now :)
Yes, there is according to the timetable
Schooldays service runs every 15 minutes 0900/0930 - 1400
School holiday service runs every 15 minutes 0820 / 0900 - 1700 / 1800
Saturday timetable half hourly
Quote from: NEL111P on November 25, 2012, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 23, 2012, 06:54:20 PM
121 (V324 KGW), the London Trident extensively refurbished by Green Bus has now been re-registered as V15 TGB.
Nope again. V15TGB is carried by 115 as I posted earlier - & replied to by yourself....
Having seen it twice so far most recently on Friday I can assure you 121 carries V15 TGB, not sure why they chose that registration, but they have. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8161785410/
I cant add a photo to here, however last saturday i photoed 115 with the reg V15 TGB
Quote from: jc on November 25, 2012, 08:09:25 PM
I cant add a photo to here, however last saturday i photoed 115 with the reg V15 TGB
Do you have a Flickr account? Or Facebook? Would be interested to see that photo. Perhaps I've confused V15 TGB and V24 TGB, I know 121 has a 'TGB' reg and I was sure it was V15 TGB but both times iI got only a fleeting glance. However I know someone who works for Green Bus who said 121 has V15 TGB.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/8218591772/in/photostream/lightbox/
Not the best of photos but shows 115 with reg V15TGB.
Quote from: jc on November 25, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/8218591772/in/photostream/lightbox/
Not the best of photos but shows 115 with reg V15TGB.
I guess it must have been V24 TGB I saw on 121 then. Unless there's been a registration switch but that's very unlikely. I will double check with the guy at Green Bus when I get the chance.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 25, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: jc on November 25, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/8218591772/in/photostream/lightbox/
Not the best of photos but shows 115 with reg V15TGB.
I guess it must have been V24 TGB I saw on 121 then. Unless there's been a registration switch but that's very unlikely. I will double check with the guy at Green Bus when I get the chance.
Could it not have been V21GTB to match the fleet number?
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2012, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 25, 2012, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: jc on November 25, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/8218591772/in/photostream/lightbox/
Not the best of photos but shows 115 with reg V15TGB.
I guess it must have been V24 TGB I saw on 121 then. Unless there's been a registration switch but that's very unlikely. I will double check with the guy at Green Bus when I get the chance.
Could it not have been V21GTB to match the fleet number?
To be quite honest, the more I try and remember, the more blurred my memory gets. All I am certain of is that 121 had a V-TGB reg. Next time I see it I will make sure to notice the number.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on November 25, 2012, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on November 24, 2012, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: adam 21 on November 24, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
the green bus service 64 will be returning to harboure again instead of birmingham city centre seen on they website today
Yeah
At least there is no gap in service during school periods now :)
Yes, there is according to the timetable
Schooldays service runs every 15 minutes 0900/0930 - 1400
School holiday service runs every 15 minutes 0820 / 0900 - 1700 / 1800
Saturday timetable half hourly
oops
thanks for correction
After having looked on the DVLA Personalised Registrations site, I now think it's most likely that they are getting registrations based on their fleetnumbers rather than their original registrations, as V24 TGB is still available, but V15 TGB and V21 TGB are not. So it is most likely that 115 has V15 TGB and 121 has V21 TGB. Case closed.
on the plus side, a ex twm metro was on the 558 again today :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
So it is most likely that 115 has V15 TGB and 121 has V21 TGB. Case closed.
Case was closed almost a fortnight ago, but someone kept arguing the toss..... ::)
Quote from: NEL111P on November 26, 2012, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
So it is most likely that 115 has V15 TGB and 121 has V21 TGB. Case closed.
Case was closed almost a fortnight ago, but someone kept arguing the toss..... ::)
Multiple sources said 121 had V15. Only one source - this forum - said 115 had V15. After investigating I now know which is probably right. To be perfectly honest I won't know for sure until I get a proper look at it myself. So case most certainly was not closed a fortnight ago.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Quote from: NEL111P on November 26, 2012, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
So it is most likely that 115 has V15 TGB and 121 has V21 TGB. Case closed.
Case was closed almost a fortnight ago, but someone kept arguing the toss..... ::)
Multiple sources said 121 had V15. Only one source - this forum - said 115 had V15. After investigating I now know which is probably right. To be perfectly honest I won't know for sure until I get a proper look at it myself. So case most certainly was not closed a fortnight ago.
What more evidence do you need to see? The photo posted further up this thread clearly shows the registration 115 now carries.......
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/8218591772/in/photostream/lightbox/
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
Quote from: NEL111P on November 26, 2012, 09:58:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 26, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
So it is most likely that 115 has V15 TGB and 121 has V21 TGB. Case closed.
Case was closed almost a fortnight ago, but someone kept arguing the toss..... ::)
Multiple sources said 121 had V15. Only one source - this forum - said 115 had V15. After investigating I now know which is probably right. To be perfectly honest I won't know for sure until I get a proper look at it myself. So case most certainly was not closed a fortnight ago.
With respect, I only found one source stating incorrectly that 121 was V15TGB, that being a comment on a flickr photo, nothing wrong with that comment as it was possibly passed on in good intent. However, THREE sources here state 115 as V15TGB, ie me, said so after a) seeing said bus several times during the day, & b) doing a simple bit of online checking to correct the erroneous previous registration that both Tony & myself had. JC also posted a link to 115 carrying V15TGB. Finally, Tony's fleet list shows 115 as V15TGB....
I don't honestly see what "I won't know for sure until I get a proper look at it myself" implies, or perhaps "the memory is blurring again"?? To be frank though, & again apologies for labouring the point but 115 is V15TGB. I'm past caring now, but all but the hard of understanding know for sure, but PLEASE stop confusing the issue further.
Sorry. I was by no means trying to argue that I was right, just wanted you to see from my perspective how confused it was. After seeing the photo evidence, clearly I withdrew my case. I completely accept I was wrong and apologize for pushing the point on.
Looks like you can no longer "get around for a pound". Green Bus have announced fare increases on all local bus services.
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/
I don't think it will put paying Green Bus passengers off
Only the other week they were tweeting frantically about how their services were "still only £1". I suppose as long as they remain cheaper than NXWM then it shouldn't affect them too much. And I would take a Green Bus over a NXWM bus any day even if they were equal fares.
Sometimes if the 558 is due and theres a 1 waiting ill more than likely wait because the Green Bus vehicle will certainly overtake the NXWM vehicle and if im to have a brief dig, TGB drivers seem to have better customer service skills, some NX ones just look right through you i feel
I'd pick them simply for their range of vehicles. Not sure what's working the 558 now the darts have left? But as long as its a metro or oly then I'd be happy.
It was all Tridents yesterday. Apparently 2989 will be on the 558 on December 13th I think somebody said but I suppose its unpredictable
V310 KGW (TA10) and V311 KGW (TA11), two of the batch of tridents from London recently acquired by Green Bus, have been sold to Seaford & District, a small operator in.. Seaford. They have left and are both already in their new dark-green/cream colours which I think rather suit them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15973926@N07/8308501888/in/photostream
I didn't see any 558s in Wolverhampton on Christmas Eve or Thursday 28th - were they running?
No 558's until January 7th
Quote from: Ashley on December 28, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
No 558's until January 7th
558 finished on the last day of school as many of the drivers do their school route, work a local service throughout the day e.g 558 then do the school run again; and school finished on the 21st, and starts again on the 7th, hence why the 558 starts again on the 7th.
Could The Green Bus pulling out of the 126 route be due to the amount of vehicles available ? Its been more than a month since I've seen one on the 126 route. They were getting good loadings, especially in the mornings.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 28, 2012, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 28, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
No 558's until January 7th
558 finished on the last day of school as many of the drivers do their school route, work a local service throughout the day e.g 558 then do the school run again; and school finished on the 21st, and starts again on the 7th, hence why the 558 starts again on the 7th.
The 558 finished on Saturday 22nd. Since the timetable became 6 day from 7am - 7 pm (give or take) most of the drivers are on all day an don't go off to do schools. The 125 was started to fit around school duties but was withdrawn at the end of November, it was only ever seen as a short term experiment. From September 4 routes to King Edwards Stourbridge begin it will be interesting to see if the 125 or other local routes appear.
It does seem strange that both the 558 and 64 have not run for a full 2 weeks over the Christmas period. The 558 is generally a very good earner and Green need to reestablish themselves on the 64 since reverting back to the original route of Great Park to Harborne.
I'm not sure how much the 50% fare increase from £1 to £1.50 has impacted, still 50p cheaper from January.
There were only 2 buses out on the 558 on Friday 21st when I went on for a ride, a Lance and a Trident. Supposed to be 4 out.
I use school service HC2 (yes I'm still at school) and I know the usual driver of service HC3 does the school with 313, then takes the bus on the 558 throughout the day, then back to school in the afternoon. I think one or two of the other drivers do too, perhaps to the 64 or 50/A as well.
As for the fare increase, doesn't bother me in the slightest as I just get an nBus ticket if I'm going out on the buses.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 30, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
There were only 2 buses out on the 558 on Friday 21st when I went on for a ride, a Lance and a Trident. Supposed to be 4 out.
I use school service HC2 (yes I'm still at school) and I know the usual driver of service HC3 does the school with 313, then takes the bus on the 558 throughout the day, then back to school in the afternoon. I think one or two of the other drivers do too, perhaps to the 64 or 50/A as well.
As for the fare increase, doesn't bother me in the slightest as I just get an nBus ticket if I'm going out on the buses.
£4 NBUS any bus all day in the Midlands! and people moan about value!!! Coudn't buy a gallon of petrol for that!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 4006 on December 30, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 30, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
There were only 2 buses out on the 558 on Friday 21st when I went on for a ride, a Lance and a Trident. Supposed to be 4 out.
I use school service HC2 (yes I'm still at school) and I know the usual driver of service HC3 does the school with 313, then takes the bus on the 558 throughout the day, then back to school in the afternoon. I think one or two of the other drivers do too, perhaps to the 64 or 50/A as well.
As for the fare increase, doesn't bother me in the slightest as I just get an nBus ticket if I'm going out on the buses.
£4 NBUS any bus all day in the Midlands! and people moan about value!!! Coudn't buy a gallon of petrol for that!!!!!!!!
£2.70 for me, it's like heaven ;)
50A not running to and from Redditch.
Quote from: tank90 on January 18, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
50A not running to and from Redditch.
They are running their 50 to Maypole until 9, whereas NX have finished at 7. Good on them!!
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ServiceAlterations/alterations.aspx
MD Ian Mack is driving on the 50 tonight apparently...
The twitter page for green bus says look out for Metrobus 989 in Wolverhampton on Sunday. Does anybody know anything about this?
Nowhere near as many people as there should've been, only about 12 of us on 989 today. Great fun though, will put pictures/videos on my Flickr in due course.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 27, 2013, 06:55:33 PM
989 was doing a tour of wolverhampton today. It was an enthusiasts tour and when i passed it today it had a fair few people on there.
Where were we when you saw us?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 27, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nowhere near as many people as there should've been, only about 12 of us on 989 today. Great fun though, will put pictures/videos on my Flickr in due course.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 27, 2013, 06:55:33 PM
989 was doing a tour of wolverhampton today. It was an enthusiasts tour and when i passed it today it had a fair few people on there.
Where were we when you saw us?
Was the an event open to the general enthusiast or arranged by a specific group? Where was this publicised - the entusiasts page on Green Bus website would be an obvious place - I did look but the section was empty. I would certainly have come if I had known.
Only the MCW Metrobus group on Facebook as far as I know. Wasn't private though, as long as you knew you could've come. I'm sure something like this will happen again sometime, especially once the guy running it owns 989 outright.
Lance 207 is leaving for scrap tomorrow. Also saying their final goodbyes are two Tridents and a Dart - don't know their numbers yet though.
Wow!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 29, 2013, 09:40:16 PM
Lance 207 is leaving for scrap tomorrow. Also saying their final goodbyes are two Tridents and a Dart - don't know their numbers yet though.
Does anyone know who's bought 2 Tridents and a Dart? Probably ex-London knackered things.
Sad for the Lances to be leaving for scrap, having spent their whole life in the Black Country, having spent years with Diamond before moving to the Green Bus.
I wasn't expecting them to be selling Tridents either, with several Metrobuses and Olympians still in servive. I think they'd do well keeping Metrobuses for enthusiast events.
I meant the Tridents and Dart are going for scrap too. I suspect the Tridents are the V-KGW ones which they've been trying to sell for months. Seems a waste but I'm glad it's them not the Metrobuses or Olympians.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 29, 2013, 10:49:42 PM
I meant the Tridents and Dart are going for scrap too. I suspect the Tridents are the V-KGW ones which they've been trying to sell for months. Seems a waste but I'm glad it's them not the Metrobuses or Olympians.
But why did Greenbus think that they could sell them when Abellio couldn't?
Many of the V-KGW had been stored out of use with Abellio for up to a couple of years
They were just parts donors
This morning had I been on the road at the time not literally just watching my train come in I'd have had a fantastic photo of 2 Green Bus deckers passing on the bridge at Hamstead station ..... gutted
The fleetlist needs updating as 207 left for scrap a few weeks ago, I can't find confirmation of this on the internet but I know a driver/engineer there who told me
Another vehicle recently left (I believe for scrap) is Dennis Dart 501 R508 SJM.
Also, as a heads up for the future, in a couple of months' time Green Bus will be acquiring 3 Optare Spectras from Reading Buses, although they are already in TGB livery (albeit the older variation) having been working school services in the Reading area.
All are step-entrance:
711 - S879 BYJ
712 - S880 BYJ
713 - S881 BYJ
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 27, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nowhere near as many people as there should've been, only about 12 of us on 989 today. Great fun though, will put pictures/videos on my Flickr in due course.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 27, 2013, 06:55:33 PM
989 was doing a tour of wolverhampton today. It was an enthusiasts tour and when i passed it today it had a fair few people on there.
Where were we when you saw us?
Matt, any idea if this was put on by The Green Bus, or if arranged (ie hired bus with people chipping in) by an enthusiast?
Quote from: Neswulf on March 18, 2013, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 27, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nowhere near as many people as there should've been, only about 12 of us on 989 today. Great fun though, will put pictures/videos on my Flickr in due course.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 27, 2013, 06:55:33 PM
989 was doing a tour of wolverhampton today. It was an enthusiasts tour and when i passed it today it had a fair few people on there.
Where were we when you saw us?
Matt, any idea if this was put on by The Green Bus, or if arranged (ie hired bus with people chipping in) by an enthusiast?
Nope it was arranged by Matt Clarke, not really anything to do with TGB hence why there was no promotion on their website. The only place it was advertised was on the MCW Metrobus Facebook group and by word of mouth. There was a flat fare of £7, pay on the day, anyone could come.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 18, 2013, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: Neswulf on March 18, 2013, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on January 27, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nowhere near as many people as there should've been, only about 12 of us on 989 today. Great fun though, will put pictures/videos on my Flickr in due course.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 27, 2013, 06:55:33 PM
989 was doing a tour of wolverhampton today. It was an enthusiasts tour and when i passed it today it had a fair few people on there.
Where were we when you saw us?
Matt, any idea if this was put on by The Green Bus, or if arranged (ie hired bus with people chipping in) by an enthusiast?
Nope it was arranged by Matt Clarke, not really anything to do with TGB hence why there was no promotion on their website. The only place it was advertised was on the MCW Metrobus Facebook group and by word of mouth. There was a flat fare of £7, pay on the day, anyone could come.
Cheers. I'll keep my eyes on the FB group as mentioned.
On VOSA this morning Greenbus appear to be cancelling their 64 & 558 services from 20th May,
I was under the impression the 64 was quite well used?
PD1090982/20 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Rubery (Morrisons Superstore) and Queen Elizabeth Hospital given service number 64 effective from 20-May-2013.
PD1090982/21 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton City Centre and Dudley Town Centre given service number 558 effective from 20-May-2013.
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
I was under the impression the 64 was quite well used?
Not really, since 98 been introduced people choose to travel on instead of 64.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on March 28, 2013, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
I was under the impression the 64 was quite well used?
Not really, since 98 been introduced peoples choose to travel on instead of 64.
Thanks for the info!
Plus it only ran for a few hours in the daytime, presumably just to make use of the buses while not on school runs, which leads me to guess they've found another use for them?
Let's hope they have another Metrobus running day before it cancels!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 28, 2013, 11:54:41 AM
Let's hope they have another Metrobus running day before it cancels!
Hope so. I was lucky enough to be able to travel on two Metrobuses on the #558 on Monday, having booked the day off. Nostalgia all the way :)
Quote from: Neswulf on March 28, 2013, 12:01:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 28, 2013, 11:54:41 AM
Let's hope they have another Metrobus running day before it cancels!
Hope so. I was lucky enough to be able to travel on two Metrobuses on the #558 on Monday, having booked the day off. Nostalgia all the way :)
As it only runs during school hours I won't ever be able to travel on the 558 again, but it would be nice for the enthusiasts in Wolves/Dudley area who can
109,363,458 and 907 all operating a rail replacement bus service in Wolverhampton Bus Station
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 28, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
109,363,458 and 907 all operating a rail replacement bus service in Wolverhampton Bus Station
You beat me to it - just seen a Green Bus Metrobus leaving the bus station on rail replacement. Too quick a glance to spot which exactly. I've got some train travel planned this weekend, so will hopefully be on one, a Metrobus I hope.
Quote from: Neswulf on March 28, 2013, 05:06:41 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 28, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
109,363,458 and 907 all operating a rail replacement bus service in Wolverhampton Bus Station
You beat me to it - just seen a Green Bus Metrobus leaving the bus station on rail replacement. Too quick a glance to spot which exactly. I've got some train travel planned this weekend, so will hopefully be on one, a Metrobus I hope.
If 109 turns up, wait for the next one... you'd probably arrive first on the next one anyway, it's that slow! ;)
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
On VOSA this morning Greenbus appear to be cancelling their 558 services from 20th May,
PD1090982/21 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton City Centre and Dudley Town Centre given service number 558 effective from 20-May-2013.
Perhaps Green have given up on the 558 as now NXWM have their own new green buses on the route and i have never seen the 558 that well used.
Shame though, will miss the ex TWM metrobuses.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 28, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
109,363,458 and 907 all operating a rail replacement bus service in Wolverhampton Bus Station
They're running the rail replacement between Sandwell and Dudley and Wolverhampton? I'll have to travel to Wolverhampton
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 28, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
On VOSA this morning Greenbus appear to be cancelling their 558 services from 20th May,
PD1090982/21 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton City Centre and Dudley Town Centre given service number 558 effective from 20-May-2013.
Perhaps Green have given up on the 558 as now NXWM have their own new green buses on the route and i have never seen the 558 that well used.
Shame though, will miss the ex TWM metrobuses.
I said from the start that the NX Hybrids on the 1 would bring the demise of Green Bus on the 558! But what will happen to the surplus staff/buses if it is withdrawn?
Perhaps a new route/s are being planned, or maybe an increase of vehicles on the 50/A, although that's busy enough as it is
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:38:33 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 28, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
On VOSA this morning Greenbus appear to be cancelling their 558 services from 20th May,
PD1090982/21 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton City Centre and Dudley Town Centre given service number 558 effective from 20-May-2013.
Perhaps Green have given up on the 558 as now NXWM have their own new green buses on the route and i have never seen the 558 that well used.
Shame though, will miss the ex TWM metrobuses.
I said from the start that the NX Hybrids on the 1 would bring the demise of Green Bus on the 558! But what will happen to the surplus staff/buses if it is withdrawn?
Aren't there rumours that King Edward College are going to be served by Green Bus from September, maybe those services will run all day like the Halesowen College services from Prospect Coaches.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 29, 2013, 11:19:24 AM
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:38:33 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 28, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
On VOSA this morning Greenbus appear to be cancelling their 558 services from 20th May,
PD1090982/21 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton City Centre and Dudley Town Centre given service number 558 effective from 20-May-2013.
Perhaps Green have given up on the 558 as now NXWM have their own new green buses on the route and i have never seen the 558 that well used.
Shame though, will miss the ex TWM metrobuses.
I said from the start that the NX Hybrids on the 1 would bring the demise of Green Bus on the 558! But what will happen to the surplus staff/buses if it is withdrawn?
Aren't there rumours that King Edward College are going to be served by Green Bus from September, maybe those services will run all day like the Halesowen College services from Prospect Coaches.
They are according to this http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/schools/13-14/ (http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/schools/13-14/)
And running some Stourbridge college services, which potentially could be out, if not all day, most of the day and I firmly believe they will do very well, in part due to NXWM's neglect of Stourbridge services, in particular the 246. I was a student in Stourbridge for 2 years and the 246 was a nightmare, when the Enviro's first arrived they were at least 5 or 6 on the 246 but when BC stopped helping in the peaks they became unusual workings
Yes the 558 and 64 are to be withdrawn on may 20th, for reasons as yet unclear, possibly to do with these additional college services starting in september, most of their drivers havent got a clue about the withdrawals as yet either
Quote from: Ashley on March 31, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
Yes the 558 and 64 are to be withdrawn on may 20th, for reasons as yet unclear, possibly to do with these additional college services starting in september, most of their drivers havent got a clue about the withdrawals as yet either
The 558/64 have Probably been withdrawn due to low passenger numbers
I don't live or usually go to birmingham so i don't know about the loadings of the 64,
What are the passenger numbers like for the 64 on average.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 31, 2013, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 31, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
Yes the 558 and 64 are to be withdrawn on may 20th, for reasons as yet unclear, possibly to do with these additional college services starting in september, most of their drivers havent got a clue about the withdrawals as yet either
The 558/64 have Probably been withdrawn due to low passenger numbers
I don't live or usually go to birmingham so i don't know about the loadings of the 64,
What are the passenger numbers like for the 64 on average.
It can vary
Went on 4 different occassions last week
2 journeys say half full
1 journey few passengers
1 dead
These were all in middle of the day too
Today some man called Andy called me who is New Operations Manager for TGB who used to be for First Group in Redditch lol :-)
Article on The Green Bus in the latest Routeone:
Suggests the frequency of TGB 50 may be increased soon,
3 x further Tridents are due
Also pondering a strategic alliance with a big bus group to allow it to expand quickly, see's opportunities to grow in Europe & possibly North America
http://www.route-one.net/issues/481/index.html#/14/
http://www.route-one.net/issues/481/index.html#/28/
I have a funny feeling with an Ex FMR Redditch person working for them it wont be long until we see Green bus on the 57/58 and school services in Redditch.
Quote from: tank90 on April 04, 2013, 02:58:18 PM
I have a funny feeling with an Ex FMR Redditch person working for them it wont be long until we see Green bus on the 57/58 and school services in Redditch.
Quite Possible, especially if Diamond fail to sort out the over crowding/missing buses issues in Redditch. There doesn't seem to be the volume of complaints on their FB page, I'm not sure whether people have given up posting rather than the problems being resolved?
With regards to the 50 service I'm sure if diamond wanted to they could really up the competition on the 50 service against green bus similar to GRS travel on the 16. At the moment diamond seem happy to plod along on both the 16 and 50 but with the spare vehicles etc they could easily double the number of vehicles on both of these services which could lead to GRS leaving the 16 but I guess would have less effect on the 50 due to the £1 single fare and the 50A service.
Quote from: Ash on April 04, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
With regards to the 50 service I'm sure if diamond wanted to they could really up the competition on the 50 service against green bus similar to GRS travel on the 16. At the moment diamond seem happy to plod along on both the 16 and 50 but with the spare vehicles etc they could easily double the number of vehicles on both of these services which could lead to GRS leaving the 16 but I guess would have less effect on the 50 due to the £1 single fare and the 50A service.
That's why Diamond are continually loosing ground, they need to up their game whilst keeping a look over their shoulder. I would imagine any Arriva expansion will more than likely hurt the likes of Diamond rather than risk starting anything with likes of NX.
Quote from: Ash on April 04, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
With regards to the 50 service I'm sure if diamond wanted to they could really up the competition on the 50 service against green bus similar to GRS travel on the 16. At the moment diamond seem happy to plod along on both the 16 and 50 but with the spare vehicles etc they could easily double the number of vehicles on both of these services which could lead to GRS leaving the 16 but I guess would have less effect on the 50 due to the £1 single fare and the 50A service.
It is very hard for someone like Diamond to drive someone like GRS off a route. Diamond generally try to run to their registered times while GRS register and make every effort to be just in front of Diamond vehicles, without flooding the route, which would cost an awful lot of money for very little gain with NXWM on the route as well Diamond have no
legal way around dealing with someone intent on just running in front
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2013, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Ash on April 04, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
With regards to the 50 service I'm sure if diamond wanted to they could really up the competition on the 50 service against green bus similar to GRS travel on the 16. At the moment diamond seem happy to plod along on both the 16 and 50 but with the spare vehicles etc they could easily double the number of vehicles on both of these services which could lead to GRS leaving the 16 but I guess would have less effect on the 50 due to the £1 single fare and the 50A service.
It is very hard for someone like Diamond to drive someone like GRS off a route. Diamond generally try to run to their registered times while GRS register and make every effort to be just in front of Diamond vehicles, without flooding the route, which would cost an awful lot of money for very little gain with NXWM on the route as well Diamond have no legal way around dealing with someone intent on just running in front
Fair point Tony, I saw GRS on the 16 on Monday which i thought was strange but they must run on a sunday and therefore run on bank holidays. The 4 is a prime example diamond could sit and wait at Walsall and West Bromwich until another diamond arrives but as they have to run to timetable often they just arrive sit on the stand for about 30 seconds and leave rather than sitting there trying to get a full bus and they tend to just pick the passengers up on route. I use the 4 alot and the drivers on the diamond and NXWM always to seem to wave or make a signal (not an unpleasant) one when passing so don't think theres as much rivalry as there was in the Pete's Travel days of the 404E.
I believe that E989VUK has now been sold
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 07, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
I believe that E989VUK has now been sold
F313 XOF has recently been sold.
E989 VUK has been being gradually paid for by an enthusiast wanting to buy it, he should also be receiving ownership of it soon
F53 XOF is also currently undergoing work at The Green Bus depot
Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Are you going to put any photos of the buses in the garage on flickr.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
No it would just be alterations of the route around the Redditch area. It is planned for it to follow more of the 57/58 route which is very well used, so more passengers would be attracted.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
No it would just be alterations of the route around the Redditch area. It is planned for it to follow more of the 57/58 route which is very well used, so more passengers would be attracted.
I thought that might happen along with a 50C so one goes clockwise and the other goes anti.
460 has suddenly been sold this evening, to a small company in Tamworth! Already left.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 12:16:03 AM
460 has suddenly been sold this evening, to a small company in Tamworth! Already left.
I'd imagine they'll go one by one. They could possibly make good money off a well advertised Metrobus running day too.. (me hoping - I'd pay a fiver for a nostalgia trip) Not much chance if they're selling them off now.
Quote from: Neswulf on April 11, 2013, 07:52:56 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 12:16:03 AM
460 has suddenly been sold this evening, to a small company in Tamworth! Already left.
I'd imagine they'll go one by one. They could possibly make good money off a well advertised Metrobus running day too.. (me hoping - I'd pay a fiver for a nostalgia trip) Not much chance if they're selling them off now.
Well there'll only be 3 left very soon once 313 and 989 leave, and 464 is OTR at the moment leaving just 458 and 462
New addition 122 in the depot this week already painted up in TGB livery - V313 KGW
123, 124, 125 expected to join soon, more london tridents
Spectras 711, 712, 713 coming from Reading Buses in mid-late May.
Nitromatt's video on youtube of 313 is A video to watch. Probably the best metrobus i've heard in years!
Looks like 123, 124 and 125 are V305, V318 and V329 KGW. They are currently on their way up the M40 from London and are apparently already in the livery.
989 off the road again, looks like for good this time.
111 broke down today on school run
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 16, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
111 broke down today on school run
Which route was this?
Is Trident 121 only found on schools and private hire as it is seat-belted?
Have seen it around a few times, but never in service on the 50/64/558.
Quote from: John on April 16, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
Is Trident 121 only found on schools and private hire as it is seat-belted?
Have seen it around a few times, but never in service on the 50/64/558.
It is allocated to service SP1, it only appears on there (although it made a rare appearance on a Hagley service once), and of course private hire during the day
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 16, 2013, 09:10:55 PM
It is allocated to service SP1, it only appears on there (although it made a rare appearance on a Hagley service once), and of course private hire during the day
Thanks Matt
Quote from: John on April 16, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 16, 2013, 09:10:55 PM
It is allocated to service SP1, it only appears on there (although it made a rare appearance on a Hagley service once), and of course private hire during the day
Thanks Matt
No problem ;)
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111 broke down today on school run
Which route was this?
spotted in Stirchley by the Co-Op Border
I have no idea what it was doing there then, none of the school services serve that area as far as I know
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111 broke down today on school run
Which route was this?
spotted in Stirchley by the Co-Op Border
I have no idea what it was doing there then, none of the school services serve that area as far as I know
Ignore that, I was thinking of the Stirchley in Telford! Think it may have been on the FW4
Green bus 122 was on AH5 this afternoon.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 18, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Green bus 122 was on AH5 this afternoon.
It was on HC4 today, its first visit to Hagley!
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111 broke down today on school run
Which route was this?
spotted in Stirchley by the Co-Op Border
I have no idea what it was doing there then, none of the school services serve that area as far as I know
Ignore that, I was thinking of the Stirchley in Telford! Think it may have been on the FW4
It indeed was FW4 as seen it again
See from the Green Bus website that they running six services from King Edward VI college in Stourbridge from September.
As the buses are timetabled to arrive at Stourbridge at 08:30 and depart at 16:10, wonder what they will do for the rest of the day, Green Bus on the 246 perhaps?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 21, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
See from the Green Bus website that they running six services from King Edward VI college in Stourbridge from September.
As the buses are timetabled to arrive at Stourbridge at 08:30 and depart at 16:10, wonder what they will do for the rest of the day, Green Bus on the 246 perhaps?
Without wishing to reveal too much, that is a possibility, though not necessarily how you'd expect
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 22, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
The school service in Liverpool has only just begun. Some of the ex. Abellio Tridents (I think 3) were sent up there a few weeks ago
Also, you beat me to posting about the Metrobus running day! I don't know the date, but I do know there will be at least one ex. TWM Metrobus - most likely 313 as 989 is poorly lol
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 22, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
The school service in Liverpool has only just begun. Some of the ex. Abellio Tridents (I think 3) were sent up there a few weeks ago
Also, you beat me to posting about the Metrobus running day! I don't know the date, but I do know there will be at least one ex. TWM Metrobus - most likely 313 as 989 is poorly lol
Whats the matter with 989 Matt as it seemed ok a few weeks ago when i had a ride on it on the 558.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 22, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
The school service in Liverpool has only just begun. Some of the ex. Abellio Tridents (I think 3) were sent up there a few weeks ago
Also, you beat me to posting about the Metrobus running day! I don't know the date, but I do know there will be at least one ex. TWM Metrobus - most likely 313 as 989 is poorly lol
Whats the matter with 989 Matt as it seemed ok a few weeks ago when i had a ride on it on the 558.
I don't think I can say. But having said that, recently heard its condition may not be as bad as I first thought, may not be the end of 2989 quite yet after all
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 22, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
The school service in Liverpool has only just begun. Some of the ex. Abellio Tridents (I think 3) were sent up there a few weeks ago
Also, you beat me to posting about the Metrobus running day! I don't know the date, but I do know there will be at least one ex. TWM Metrobus - most likely 313 as 989 is poorly lol
Whats the matter with 989 Matt as it seemed ok a few weeks ago when i had a ride on it on the 558.
I don't think I can say. But having said that, recently heard its condition may not be as bad as I first thought, may not be the end of 2989 quite yet after all
Do hope it's not the end, its a lovely bus.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 22, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 22, 2013, 06:47:36 PM
Two questions
Anybody know how long GB have been running a School Service in Liverpool?
Anybody know any details about a Metrobus Running Day on 558? I hope it'll be a Saturday, even though they no longer run on Saturdays.
The school service in Liverpool has only just begun. Some of the ex. Abellio Tridents (I think 3) were sent up there a few weeks ago
Also, you beat me to posting about the Metrobus running day! I don't know the date, but I do know there will be at least one ex. TWM Metrobus - most likely 313 as 989 is poorly lol
Whats the matter with 989 Matt as it seemed ok a few weeks ago when i had a ride on it on the 558.
I don't think I can say. But having said that, recently heard its condition may not be as bad as I first thought, may not be the end of 2989 quite yet after all
Do hope it's not the end, its a lovely bus.
I agree! Personally I've always preferred 3013 but yes, 2989 is a great bus
64 going :(
64 Green Bus Company Birmingham - Rubery Parkway
via QE Hospital
Service Withdrawn
19th May 2013
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
64 going :(
64 Green Bus Company Birmingham - Rubery Parkway
via QE Hospital
Service Withdrawn
19th May 2013
Yes this was announced a fair few weeks ago. The 558 is also being cancelled.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 08:43:53 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
64 going :(
64 Green Bus Company Birmingham - Rubery Parkway
via QE Hospital
Service Withdrawn
19th May 2013
Yes this was announced a fair few weeks ago. The 558 is also being cancelled.
shows how slow centro annouces it :P
Accident in Halesowen town centre this morning involving a Green Bus Metrobus
Let's hope everyone is ok & which metro was
in the crash wonder if this will now be scrapped
as aren't the metros been withdrawn soon
Quote from: Solo1 on April 29, 2013, 12:08:07 PM
Let's hope everyone is ok & which metro was
in the crash wonder if this will now be scrapped
as aren't the metros been withdrawn soon
Not sure of ID of the Metrobus as a friend sent me the picture,
Looks as though the car is in the wrong, and appears to be on the wrong side of the road turning right on to the Queensway
I was onboard, it was F313 XOF (on the HC2). Luckily we were only doing about 10mph. The car was certainly in the wrong. The doors needed to be removed for everyone to get out.
Nobody on the bus or the driver was seriously harmed (although I think I might have minor whiplash) although I don't think the woman driving the car was so lucky as there were four ambulances, two fire engines and a police car
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 29, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
I was onboard, it was F313 XOF (on the HC2). Luckily we were only doing about 10mph. The car was certainly in the wrong. The doors needed to be removed for everyone to get out.
Nobody on the bus or the driver was seriously harmed (although I think I might have minor whiplash) although I don't think the woman driving the car was so lucky as there were four ambulances, two fire engines and a police car
Did they send another bus to get you to school Matt?
It looks like the car was turning out of Church Croft right onto the Queensway and didn't realise unlike all of the other cars, the bus was turning into the bus station and not going left up Church Croft.
Was the traffic on the Queensway been diverted through the bus station?
Quote from: John on April 29, 2013, 07:33:13 PM
It looks like the car was turning out of Church Croft right onto the Queensway and didn't realise unlike all of the other cars, the bus was turning into the bus station and not going left up Church Croft.
Was the traffic on the Queensway been diverted through the bus station?
To be honest, am surprised that an accident has never happened here before, have seen numerous near misses!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 29, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
I was onboard, it was F313 XOF (on the HC2). Luckily we were only doing about 10mph. The car was certainly in the wrong. The doors needed to be removed for everyone to get out.
Nobody on the bus or the driver was seriously harmed (although I think I might have minor whiplash) although I don't think the woman driving the car was so lucky as there were four ambulances, two fire engines and a police car
Did they send another bus to get you to school Matt?
Yes (although I felt like going back home and collapsing on my bed), they sent 125/9729 V329 KGW which had just worked the HC4
Hope your feeling better Matt
Physically I'm ok, just really sad about 313 :(
313 looks to have been written off :'(
A truly fantastic machine, the best Metrobus I've ever ridden, I will miss it so much
looks like RIP 313
Saw a Trident numbered 9718 in Wolves today anyone have any info? It's on the site as 124?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 01, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
313 looks to have been written off :'(
A truly fantastic machine, the best Metrobus I've ever ridden, I will miss it so much
R.I.P 313 :'(
Quote from: 4006 on May 01, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Saw a Trident numbered 9718 in Wolves today anyone have any info? It's on the site as 124?
9718 is another former Abellio/Travel London example
Quote from: Winston on May 01, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: 4006 on May 01, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Saw a Trident numbered 9718 in Wolves today anyone have any info? It's on the site as 124?
9718 is another former Abellio/Travel London example
Will be renumbered 124. V318 KGW
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 01, 2013, 01:57:22 PM
313 looks to have been written off :'(
A truly fantastic machine, the best Metrobus I've ever ridden, I will miss it so much
R.I.P 313 (3013) :'( WE'LL ALL MISS YOU
Just heard 313 is to be put back on the road!!!
Article in latest Routeone stating Greenbus are expanding in to Liverpool teaming up with Peoplesbus
http://www.route-one.net/issues/486/index.html#/12/
I did hear a rumour about this, somebody mentioned a few green bus tridents were going up to liverpool.
Back to brum and a bit of TGB metrobus news
313 isn't dead yet
460 has been sold to TJ of polesworth for use as a school bus if not mentioned already
TGB are doing a metrobus running day on the 558 on friday 17th, think its a farewell for the metros and for the end of the 558
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 09, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
I did hear a rumour about this, somebody mentioned a few green bus tridents were going up to liverpool.
Back to brum and a bit of TGB metrobus news
313 isn't dead yet
460 has been sold to TJ of polesworth for use as a school bus if not mentioned already
TGB are doing a metrobus running day on the 558 on friday 17th, think its a farewell for the metros and for the end of the 558
Just to say, I've already posted all of the above except the date of the Metro day
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 09, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
I did hear a rumour about this, somebody mentioned a few green bus tridents were going up to liverpool.
Back to brum and a bit of TGB metrobus news
313 isn't dead yet
460 has been sold to TJ of polesworth for use as a school bus if not mentioned already
TGB are doing a metrobus running day on the 558 on friday 17th, think its a farewell for the metros and for the end of the 558
Do you have any more details? times, buses etc?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhJp8cPfP8
The current Green Bus 558 timetable will show the times the day runs for, im guessing were having 458 462 464 and 989.
Not Metrobus related but TGB put 381 - R381LGH on the 558 today (the one time my camera was at home grrr)
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 10, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
The current Green Bus 558 timetable will show the times the day runs for, im guessing were having 458 462 464 and 989.
Not Metrobus related but TGB put 381 - R381LGH on the 558 today (the one time my camera was at home grrr)
I thought there were now only 3 buses on the 558 after the cuts?
No its still four buses a day
Just hope I get back in time Friday afternoon, what time do they stop running again and switch to schools? Could be the last oppurtunity we get to get a Metro on one of its old routes, used Metro's on the 558 for years
The last bus out of wolves is 14:07, similar time out of dudley
V318 KGW has had its 9718 fleetnumbers removed over the weekend and its 124 numbers added. I assume 123 and 125 will have had the same done, although I have still never seen 123
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
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Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Is this also the last day metro buses will be used by the green bus?
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
Is this also the last day metro buses will be used by the green bus?
No, they will run on school services for the rest of this academic year (and there's always the very remote chance of one being put on the 50's)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
Is this also the last day metro buses will be used by the green bus?
No, they will run on school services for the rest of this academic year (and there's always the very remote chance of one being put on the 50's)
I will make sure I am on on then thanks Matt
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:23:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:21:59 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
Is this also the last day metro buses will be used by the green bus?
No, they will run on school services for the rest of this academic year (and there's always the very remote chance of one being put on the 50's)
I will make sure I am on on then thanks Matt
What most people don't realise is that members of the public are just as entitled to use TGB's school services as kids are, if you see a Metro on a school route coming and you have £1.50 (or a conc. pass), flag it down and get on it ;)
Matt I'm afraid your wrong about a slight chance of Metros appearing on the 50. As SQP rules state NO step entrance buses, this prohibits Greenbus from using them on the route.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 16, 2013, 08:10:34 AM
Matt I'm afraid your wrong about a slight chance of Metros appearing on the 50. As SQP rules state NO step entrance buses, this prohibits Greenbus from using them on the route.
Well when I was at TGB a few weeks back we were taking Metrobus 313 to Redditch to do something, and we would've run an extra working of the 50 to Maypole on the way but it was after 9:30am so couldn't, nothing to do with it being a step entrance bus
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: richie on May 15, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 04:20:26 PM
Two Spectras arrived today, one is fleetnumber 711 (S897 BYJ) and unsure of the other one, possibly 710 or 712
Also one new Trident Y472 NHK (Voith) on loan from "Peoples Bus" but in Stagecoach livery, was on my school route this morning
Metrobuses on the final day of the 558 on Friday will be 464 and 458
Thought they would rum a wmpte metro for the last day! Oh well.
Both are poorly
Glad I got on 989 on the last Metro running day then! Will try and get out Friday afternoon if I finish in time
What most people don't realise is that members of the public are just as entitled to use TGB's school services as kids are, if you see a Metro on a school route coming and you have £1.50 (or a conc. pass), flag it down and get on it ;)
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shame nNetwork/nBus aint accepted :P
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What most people don't realise is that members of the public are just as entitled to use TGB's school services as kids are, if you see a Metro on a school route coming and you have £1.50 (or a conc. pass), flag it down and get on it ;)
shame nNetwork/nBus aint accepted :P
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I was under the impression they were?
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Quote from: vinh1000 on May 16, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
What most people don't realise is that members of the public are just as entitled to use TGB's school services as kids are, if you see a Metro on a school route coming and you have £1.50 (or a conc. pass), flag it down and get on it ;)
shame nNetwork/nBus aint accepted :P
I was under the impression they were?
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Nope, only on local bus services, which after Friday will be just the 50/A. You have to pay a fare on the school services unless you have a school pass or a concessionary pass
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What most people don't realise is that members of the public are just as entitled to use TGB's school services as kids are, if you see a Metro on a school route coming and you have £1.50 (or a conc. pass), flag it down and get on it ;)
shame nNetwork/nBus aint accepted :P
I was under the impression they were?
Nope, only on local bus services, which after Friday will be just the 50/A. You have to pay a fare on the school services unless you have a school pass or a concessionary pass
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:P bus full of school kids and elders :)
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:P bus full of school kids and elders :)
We've only had one member of the public board so far this year, on my part of the route anyway, it's a shame as anyone wanting to go from Halesowen to Bearwood (and anywhere in between) on a 9 may as well get the HC2 if they're paying single fare (or conc.) as it follows the same route
Spectras arrived are 711 and 712 (S879/880 BYJ), believe they're step-entrance
Yes those Spectras are step entrance
Just got of 464, quite a few people out spotting but sure more would have had 989 and 313 not be O/R
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 17, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Just got of 464, quite a few people out spotting but sure more would have had 989 and 313 not be O/R
I went on 458 the one infront then went to pub and then 256 home not the one that broke down the one behind that passed it ;-)
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Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 17, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Just got of 464, quite a few people out spotting but sure more would have had 989 and 313 not be O/R
I went on 458 the one infront then went to pub and then 256 home not the one that broke down the one behind that passed it ;-)
Fortunate! I saw a Spectra on it and thought oh I'll pop to Stourbridge, 2 hours and 2 breakdowns later I've nearly made it
464 was on the HC3 this afternoon, the one day that the right-hand lane of the Hagley Hill was coned off, meaning 464 took 2-3 minutes to crawl up with nothing able to get past (464 being by far the slowest Metrobus). The queue behind was hilarious
Do Green Bus do any of the school swimming contracts, 365 was seen pulling off the Haden Hill leisure Centre car park at 13:30 today?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 21, 2013, 06:06:18 PM
Do Green Bus do any of the school swimming contracts, 365 was seen pulling off the Haden Hill leisure Centre car park at 13:30 today?
I do not know of any such "school swimming contracts". It was most likely just private hire
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Do Green Bus do any of the school swimming contracts, 365 was seen pulling off the Haden Hill leisure Centre car park at 13:30 today?
I do not know of any such "school swimming contracts". It was most likely just private hire
Thanks Matt
It pulled off the car park empty and i didn't see where it headed.
Only normally see Prospect around Haden Hill.
Optare Spectra S879 BYJ was on the HC2 today, with fleetnumber 204. Certainly faster than the NXWM Spectras, cruised past two Metrobuses and a Trident up the Hagley Hill today
Any photo's of the Spectra's yet? I know its been half term so might not have been out and about as much lately
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 02, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Any photo's of the Spectra's yet? I know its been half term so might not have been out and about as much lately
Matt, there's some from here onwards from the depot
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreenbus/8750650270/
If anyone wants a photo of Spectra 204, it's usually on my school route HC2 and is at Halesowen bus station about 16:05 and Bearwood about 16:20. Having said that I'll probably get something else tomorrow knowing TGB ::)
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 02, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Any photo's of the Spectra's yet? I know its been half term so might not have been out and about as much lately
I've been told by Matt that these maybe on his school route from now on. Apparantly they sound the same as WN's but are much faster!
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Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 02, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Any photo's of the Spectra's yet? I know its been half term so might not have been out and about as much lately
I've been told by Matt that these maybe on his school route from now on. Apparantly they sound the same as WN's but are much faster!
Yes 204 in particular, can't say anything about 205 as have never had it. It is the fastest Green Bus decker now in terms of hill climbing, beating Olympians and ZF Tridents
Any news on 313?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 03, 2013, 05:04:27 PM
Any news on 313?
Still away being worked on (as of last night). Not scrapped though! I will let you know as soon as I hear anything more.
989 back on the road & in service on my route (HC2) this afternoon.
313 is fixed :)
Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
Nah I aint complaining, just had a minor accident in Digbeth, nothing major but cant see it being out and about tomorrow :P
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
Nah I aint complaining, just had a minor accident in Digbeth, nothing major but cant see it being out and about tomorrow :P
Any more detail? Got a photo?
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
Nah I aint complaining, just had a minor accident in Digbeth, nothing major but cant see it being out and about tomorrow :P
Any more detail? Got a photo?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/600807_560319227351485_1778683563_n.png
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
Nah I aint complaining, just had a minor accident in Digbeth, nothing major but cant see it being out and about tomorrow :P
Any more detail? Got a photo?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/600807_560319227351485_1778683563_n.png
Oh dear green bus-?reckless driving to get ahead of diamond? Ive seen it and had a laugh with a diamond driver on the 50 before about this.....
It wasn't necessarily reckless driving! Just simply an accident, didn't turn the wheel back round quick enough after pulling out to pass a stationary vehicle perhaps?
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Shame 119 is now off the road for a bit :P
Thought you didn't like ZF tridents ;) why, what happened?
Nah I aint complaining, just had a minor accident in Digbeth, nothing major but cant see it being out and about tomorrow :P
Any more detail? Got a photo?
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/600807_560319227351485_1778683563_n.png
Oh dear green bus-?reckless driving to get ahead of diamond? Ive seen it and had a laugh with a diamond driver on the 50 before about this.....
It wasn't necessarily reckless driving! Just simply an accident, didn't turn the wheel back round quick enough after pulling out to pass a stationary vehicle perhaps?
A cyclist was actually also involved in the incident. I didn't see it happen, but the cyclist had an obvious head injury but didn't want to hang around for help and promptly left the scene (nearly getting run over - possibly again - in the process).
Strangely, the police didn't arrive until nearly 1900 (at least 90 mins after the incident and once Green Bus engineers & officials had arrived), and no ambulance showed up at all (I thought one would have been called prior to the patient leaving the scene).
All the passengers transferred onto a passing NXWM 50.
Quote from: notepanel on June 05, 2013, 08:17:43 PM
A cyclist was actually also involved in the incident. I didn't see it happen, but the cyclist had an obvious head injury but didn't want to hang around for help and promptly left the scene (nearly getting run over - possibly again - in the process).
Why does this not surprise me... -_- They seem to have a death wish along the Moseley Road, and not too much better on the 35 route either, despite there being plenty of Cycle Paths in Balsall Heath/Highgate, they all prefer to hold the buses up!
313 back in service on my school route this morning. Somewhere else this afternoon as 989 was covering for it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
313 back in service on my school route this morning. Somewhere else this afternoon as 989 was covering for it
Great to hear 313 (3013) is back in service :D
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2013, 05:17:12 PM
313 back in service on my school route this morning. Somewhere else this afternoon as 989 was covering for it
Great to hear 313 (3013) is back in service :D
Yep, was great to literally 'hear' it too ;D
Anyone interested the dart is on 50s today
All Metrobuses sold bar 989.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 12, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
All Metrobuses sold bar 989.
Thats a shame, especially after 313 has been repaired.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 12, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
All Metrobuses sold bar 989.
Thats a shame, especially after 313 has been repaired.
All (458, 462, 464 and 313) to the same buyer I believe too but don't quote me on that one
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All Metrobuses sold bar 989.
Thats a shame, especially after 313 has been repaired.
All (458, 462, 464 and 313) to the same buyer I believe too but don't quote me on that one
Is it a company which has baught them or was it an individual?
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 12, 2013, 01:47:04 PM
All Metrobuses sold bar 989.
Thats a shame, especially after 313 has been repaired.
All (458, 462, 464 and 313) to the same buyer I believe too but don't quote me on that one
Is it a company which has baught them or was it an individual?
I don't know sorry, but judging by the quantity I'd say a company
Sad news! :( BUT Spectra's aren't that bad for Voith fans like me :P I'd sooner Spectras replaced the metrobuses than even more ZF Tridents :-\
Quote from: trident4370 on June 12, 2013, 07:41:50 PM
Sad news! :( BUT Spectra's aren't that bad for Voith fans like me :P I'd sooner Spectras replaced the metrobuses than even more ZF Tridents :-\
Ditto, especially as the Green Bus Spectras are faster than the ZF Tridents
Was at the garage last night and saw an Olympian (think 907) with front plates (including numberplate) removed and also rear plates removed and engine being worked on
313 parked at the front so clearly still in regular service
Also, the other spectra 205 was in service on my school route this morning
spectra 204 was on the 50 this morning 6.20 ish i had to look twice shame to went to routre to do schools as i would liked a photo of it
Matt told me the Hagley School routes were fully Metrobus today.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 18, 2013, 08:56:01 PM
Matt told me the Hagley School routes were fully Metrobus today.
Yes 204 was on in the morning but it got switched for 464 in the afternoon meaning it was 989 458 462 and 464 today. 989 was mine
the metro's havn't been sold as of yet
Quote from: Solo1 on June 19, 2013, 05:49:22 PM
the metro's havn't been sold as of yet
They have been sold but not leaving yet and still in service
who have the metro's been sold to as i was told by some one at green bus they they havn't been sold
Quote from: Solo1 on June 19, 2013, 09:50:36 PM
who have the metro's been sold to as i was told by some one at green bus they they havn't been sold
The last I heard, all to the same buyer. When were you told?
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who have the metro's been sold to as i was told by some one at green bus they they havn't been sold
The last I heard, all to the same buyer. When were you told?
i was trold on tuesday
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who have the metro's been sold to as i was told by some one at green bus they they havn't been sold
The last I heard, all to the same buyer. When were you told?
i was trold on tuesday
The deal may have fallen through then, hopefully
Had a lovely shock this morning, drove to the end of my road, and what should be caught in the traffic but 313, was good to see it!
It's not been on the Hagley routes lately but that's because I know some other route's nicked it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 20, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
It's not been on the Hagley routes lately but that's because I know some other route's nicked it
Must have been on one of the school routes today, as that's where it was coming from?
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 20, 2013, 07:28:59 PM
It's not been on the Hagley routes lately but that's because I know some other route's nicked it
Must have been on one of the school routes today, as that's where it was coming from?
It wasn't on the Hagley routes as it was 458, 462, 464 and 112 today
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It's not been on the Hagley routes lately but that's because I know some other route's nicked it
Must have been on one of the school routes today, as that's where it was coming from?
It wasn't on the Hagley routes as it was 458, 462, 464 and 112 today
Interesting Matt, well it was definitely 313 and it was on Worcester Lane in Stourbridge at 08:55 this morning, if it wasn't on school service, wonder what it was doing?
The HC* school routes don't go to stourbridge though?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 20, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
The HC* school routes don't go to stourbridge though?
No Nathan, the reason i thought it had been on the Hagley school route was that Worcester Lane leads to Hagley, so i just presumed that it had done the school route, and then was on it's way empty somewhere??
My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 20, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Oh well, doesn't really matter what it was up to, was just lovely to see it.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 20, 2013, 07:51:10 PM
My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Oh well, doesn't really matter what it was up to, was just lovely to see it.
Yep, it was parked up in the front of the garage when I was there the other day so it's obviously seeing regular use.
I will be there a bit more throughout next week so will let you know anything of interest (within reason!)
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My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Oh well, doesn't really matter what it was up to, was just lovely to see it.
Yep, it was parked up in the front of the garage when I was there the other day so it's obviously seeing regular use.
I will be there a bit more throughout next week so will let you know anything of interest (within reason!)
Thanks Matt
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My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Oh well, doesn't really matter what it was up to, was just lovely to see it.
Yep, it was parked up in the front of the garage when I was there the other day so it's obviously seeing regular use.
I will be there a bit more throughout next week so will let you know anything of interest (within reason!)
Thanks Matt
No worries ;) emphasis on the "within reason" though as I am being placed in a certain level of trust
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My only theory is that it was maybe 'practicing' the 6 new Stourbridge College routes for next year, although I can't remember if any go down Worcester Lane
Oh well, doesn't really matter what it was up to, was just lovely to see it.
Yep, it was parked up in the front of the garage when I was there the other day so it's obviously seeing regular use.
I will be there a bit more throughout next week so will let you know anything of interest (within reason!)
Thanks Matt
No worries ;) emphasis on the "within reason" though as I am being placed in a certain level of trust
We understand Matt, as the King Ed's contract TGB have if followed through correctly could be quite lucrative and hurt NXWM on the Stourbridge corridors, so they won't want to much info out there
Asked for a metro for this afternoon's journey as Nath was able to come for a ride due to finishing school early, and was lucky enough to get 313 :)
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Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
Not sure if this was answered before, but the new 50/50A timetable came into force from the 17th June. Basically the 50 has been increased to every 10 minutes, and I have seen Darts being used on it in the week as part of the increased number of the vehicles now required.
The 50A though is now reduced to just 1 journey in each direction. 50A TT link is:http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607)
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Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
Not sure if this was answered before, but the new 50/50A timetable came into force from the 17th June. Basically the 50 has been increased to every 10 minutes, and I have seen Darts being used on it in the week as part of the increased number of the vehicles now required.
The 50A though is now reduced to just 1 journey in each direction. 50A TT link is:http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607)
People dont seem to be happy with the reduced 50A, from what I heard on the S3 in Wythall. Also there were people in Birmingham waiting for it yesterday so obviously people dont know about the changes - i didnt until yesterday!
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Look out for a Metrobus, probably 313, around Maypole-Redditch area tomorrow ;)
Going back to what you told me earlier do you know what changes are being made to the 50A
Is it a well used route to redditch? Could they be increasing the frequency (What is the current frequency of the 50A?)
Not sure if this was answered before, but the new 50/50A timetable came into force from the 17th June. Basically the 50 has been increased to every 10 minutes, and I have seen Darts being used on it in the week as part of the increased number of the vehicles now required.
The 50A though is now reduced to just 1 journey in each direction. 50A TT link is:http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/chym/FileHandlers/BusServiceTimetable.pdf?ID=1607)
People dont seem to be happy with the reduced 50A, from what I heard on the S3 in Wythall. Also there were people in Birmingham waiting for it yesterday so obviously people dont know about the changes - i didnt until yesterday!
I thought Green Bus were intending to extend more 50's to Redditch & take in some of the 57/58 route?
According to yesterdays VOSA, the timetable for the 50/A changed on Wednesday?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 22, 2013, 09:58:52 PM
According to yesterdays VOSA, the timetable for the 50/A changed on Wednesday?
the 17th according to the Green Bus timetable
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/pdf/50_TT.pdf
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According to yesterdays VOSA, the timetable for the 50/A changed on Wednesday?
the 17th according to the Green Bus timetable
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/pdf/50_TT.pdf
PD1090982/11 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50A/50 effective from 19-Jun-2013. To amend Timetable.
Interesting, i wonder what happens when a company say one date & VOSA say another later date?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 21, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
Asked for a metro for this afternoon's journey as Nath was able to come for a ride due to finishing school early, and was lucky enough to get 313 :)
313 was round Sheldon today working AH5 which goes to Handsworth If that's correct :D It was great to see it nothing can beat the Metro's in my opinion :)
Quote from: Winston on June 22, 2013, 09:22:31 PM
I thought Green Bus were intending to extend more 50's to Redditch & take in some of the 57/58 route?
I was under this impression too until last week, I even asked a driver on the 50A two weeks ago if the A was staying when the 50 increased and he just grunted at me and nodded as if to say yes... It's not just the Wythall lot that miss the 50A either, I used it quite often too for Redditch when it combined with the X50, now it just isn't worth the bother :(
I don't know the ins and outs but from a "normals" point of view, It seems as though TGB are getting slightly greedy, first the 64 then 558 now the 50A all so they can flood the "cashcow" 50...
*awaits the jeers!*
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 21, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
Asked for a metro for this afternoon's journey as Nath was able to come for a ride due to finishing school early, and was lucky enough to get 313 :)
313 was round Sheldon today working AH5 which goes to Handsworth If that's correct :D It was great to see it nothing can beat the Metro's in my opinion :)
According to Matt this did the HC2 from hagley this afternoon
To be honest, you would have to be pretty stupid when you've built up a following on the 50 to focus elsewhere especially when they seem to be making a killing on there
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
With TGB increasing their frequency on the 50, it could provoke a response from NX if they succeed in attracting a fair few passengers from NX buses through either increased frequencies / fare promotions etc
Is TGB 50 reliable? Whenever I'm near Moor Street I always see a Green Bus loading up. They must have that route down to a T.
I'm not saying don't run the 50, I just don't see why the 50A had to go when it was used, took plenty of cash fares and when the 50A can be incorporated into the 50 timetable like it was before. It would also be nice if the drivers gave people the correct information!
Personally I can't wait to see if Diamond come back with something whether it be new buses, more buses, cheaper fares or what, then again they will just do what they did with the 37 and withdraw completely... It doesn't help they have just lost 4 of the 5 Nifty Fiftys!
Quote from: The Rat on June 24, 2013, 09:09:35 PM
Is TGB 50 reliable? Whenever I'm near Moor Street I always see a Green Bus loading up. They must have that route down to a T.
Yes Rat they seem to have the 50 down well, whenever your at Maypole the Greens seem to pull around and wait for a few minutes until an NXWM turns up, same story in town with them parking up at Selfridges, causes some lovely traffic chaos when Green, NXWM and Diamond are all in together plus a 35 behind...
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
With TGB increasing their frequency on the 50, it could provoke a response from NX if they succeed in attracting a fair few passengers from NX buses through either increased frequencies / fare promotions etc
I like TGB I think they are innovative and are very customer focused I hope they haven't bitten off more than they can chew!
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
I'm not saying don't run the 50, I just don't see why the 50A had to go when it was used, took plenty of cash fares and when the 50A can be incorporated into the 50 timetable like it was before. It would also be nice if the drivers gave people the correct information!
Personally I can't wait to see if Diamond come back with something whether it be new buses, more buses, cheaper fares or what, then again they will just do what they did with the 37 and withdraw completely... It doesn't help they have just lost 4 of the 5 Nifty Fiftys!
I wouldn't hold your breathe waiting for a response from Diamond, they'll probably just withdrawal rather than fight....
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
With TGB increasing their frequency on the 50, it could provoke a response from NX if they succeed in attracting a fair few passengers from NX buses through either increased frequencies / fare promotions etc
I can see an NXWM retaliation, with TGB's service starting/terminating at Maypole Island, it may give them a slight advantage
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
I'm not saying don't run the 50, I just don't see why the 50A had to go when it was used, took plenty of cash fares and when the 50A can be incorporated into the 50 timetable like it was before. It would also be nice if the drivers gave people the correct information!
Personally I can't wait to see if Diamond come back with something whether it be new buses, more buses, cheaper fares or what, then again they will just do what they did with the 37 and withdraw completely... It doesn't help they have just lost 4 of the 5 Nifty Fiftys!
I wouldn't hold your breathe waiting for a response from Diamond, they'll probably just withdrawal rather than fight....
Unfortunately I think you are right! NXWM on the other hand seeing as the current 50's are already almost 5 and a half years old, carry 0 branding and internally look worn in, maybe will put up more of a fight in terms of new buses or new branding/refurbishment... The only decent looking 50 at the moment is 4799.
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
With TGB increasing their frequency on the 50, it could provoke a response from NX if they succeed in attracting a fair few passengers from NX buses through either increased frequencies / fare promotions etc
I can see an NXWM retaliation, with TGB's service starting/terminating at Maypole Island, it may give them a slight advantage
Maybe a new fleet for the NX 50 from next years orders
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
I'm not saying don't run the 50, I just don't see why the 50A had to go when it was used, took plenty of cash fares and when the 50A can be incorporated into the 50 timetable like it was before. It would also be nice if the drivers gave people the correct information!
Personally I can't wait to see if Diamond come back with something whether it be new buses, more buses, cheaper fares or what, then again they will just do what they did with the 37 and withdraw completely... It doesn't help they have just lost 4 of the 5 Nifty Fiftys!
I wouldn't hold your breathe waiting for a response from Diamond, they'll probably just withdrawal rather than fight....
Unfortunately I think you are right! NXWM on the other hand seeing as the current 50's are already almost 5 and a half years old, carry 0 branding and internally look worn in, maybe will put up more of a fight in terms of new buses or new branding/refurbishment... The only decent looking 50 at the moment is 4799.
It would be quicker to order new than refurb the lot on the 50 I would have thought.
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Shaun on June 24, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
It sounds like TGB are really going for it on the 50. Best of luck to them
With TGB increasing their frequency on the 50, it could provoke a response from NX if they succeed in attracting a fair few passengers from NX buses through either increased frequencies / fare promotions etc
I can see an NXWM retaliation, with TGB's service starting/terminating at Maypole Island, it may give them a slight advantage
Maybe a new fleet for the NX 50 from next years orders
Hopefully, the 50 is a route that should receive new buses every few years. Do the TGB provide a Sunday service? On the timetable leaflet, they only advertised their Monday-Friday service
Quote from: richie on June 24, 2013, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 24, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
I'm not saying don't run the 50, I just don't see why the 50A had to go when it was used, took plenty of cash fares and when the 50A can be incorporated into the 50 timetable like it was before. It would also be nice if the drivers gave people the correct information!
Personally I can't wait to see if Diamond come back with something whether it be new buses, more buses, cheaper fares or what, then again they will just do what they did with the 37 and withdraw completely... It doesn't help they have just lost 4 of the 5 Nifty Fiftys!
I wouldn't hold your breathe waiting for a response from Diamond, they'll probably just withdrawal rather than fight....
Unfortunately I think you are right! NXWM on the other hand seeing as the current 50's are already almost 5 and a half years old, carry 0 branding and internally look worn in, maybe will put up more of a fight in terms of new buses or new branding/refurbishment... The only decent looking 50 at the moment is 4799.
It would be quicker to order new than refurb the lot on the 50 I would have thought.
As the 50 is high profile route for NX, I would have thought that they would be more likely to buy new for that route if TGB do make a big impact and cascade the older Enviro's elsewhere. Pensnett!?! ;)
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
I agree I hope Diamond do something, maybe with the Signature Network being upgraded to Hybrid, some Citaro 50 branding might work/at a stretch the 4 Solo SR's along with 30804 ;) They could always cut short at Maypole too as past there you only seem to ever see 3 or 4 people on at a time anyway.
To be honest on the 50 though, its diamond and johnsons who need to be worried not travel who will always do well on the route no matter what as people with travelcards are locked into travelling with them
GREEN BUS HAVE ALREADY MADE A HUGE IMPACT!!!!
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
The 16 does and i don't think that is as busy a route as the 50!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 24, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
The 16 does and i don't think that is as busy a route as the 50!
Fair point, it does at present, but if Tony's recent photo of to Solo's on it is anything to go by Diamond aren't doing that well on it
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 24, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
The 16 does and i don't think that is as busy a route as the 50!
Fair point, it does at present, but if Tony's recent photo of to Solo's on it is anything to go by Diamond aren't doing that well on it
It took this picture on Saturday, The one on the right was on the 50, unfortunately the destination didn't show in the photo
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 24, 2013, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
The 16 does and i don't think that is as busy a route as the 50!
Fair point, it does at present, but if Tony's recent photo of to Solo's on it is anything to go by Diamond aren't doing that well on it
It took this picture on Saturday, The one on the right was on the 50, unfortunately the destination didn't show in the photo
maybe no longer doing so well on the 50 as well as the 16, but they seem content to sit back and let others get the upper hand....
I think if you are going to do really well on a popular route, you need to offer an 18 hour a day, 7 day a week route.
Then offer passengers passes at a reasonable rate, then you stand a chance of success.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 24, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 21, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
Asked for a metro for this afternoon's journey as Nath was able to come for a ride due to finishing school early, and was lucky enough to get 313 :)
313 was round Sheldon today working AH5 which goes to Handsworth If that's correct :D It was great to see it nothing can beat the Metro's in my opinion :)
According to Matt this did the HC2 from hagley this afternoon
Yeah it was on mine this afternoon, so I assume you saw it in the morning, as we had Spectra 204 in the morning
Dart 502 is on the 50 today (along with 108, 110, 112, 116, 117 and 120)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 24, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 24, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on June 24, 2013, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 21, 2013, 07:21:46 PM
Asked for a metro for this afternoon's journey as Nath was able to come for a ride due to finishing school early, and was lucky enough to get 313 :)
313 was round Sheldon today working AH5 which goes to Handsworth If that's correct :D It was great to see it nothing can beat the Metro's in my opinion :)
According to Matt this did the HC2 from hagley this afternoon
Yeah it was on mine this afternoon, so I assume you saw it in the morning, as we had Spectra 204 in the morning
Yes I did see 313 at around 7:30am while I was on 4614 on the 900 came out of wagon lane when I seen it ;)
Quote from: Winston on June 24, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 24, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I really hope diamond put up a fight on the 50 as the buses on there do well-there just aren't enough. I'd say 10 mid life buses, paint em yellow advertise returns and have timetables etc drive competitively and it would take off.
Peter123, based on current evidence I just don't think it will happen, I think they've missed the opportunity to TGB. Could even the 50 support 3 operators, two running every 10 mins & NX running every 4/5mins which would no doubt be increased further if Diamond also increased their frequencies to match TGB
Don't usually pay attention to the 50 route but had a few rides today and Diamond appeared to be quite empty (not helped by using two of their smallest solos). However, the one last Nifty Fifty Centro was fairly busy all day. Does make you wonder had Diamond kept the Nifty Fifty brand going (even if they swapped the buses and kept them yellow) would they be any busier.
It doesn't help Diamonds case they have a few drivers who are quite happy to sit behind NXWM all the way rather than getting infront and taking some customers! Not saying thats what happened today but I know from past journeys some of their drivers are like that. I will admit this though, I still favour Diamond over Green Bus for a few reasons and will always try my best to use them if I catch the 50.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 25, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
It doesn't help Diamonds case they have a few drivers who are quite happy to sit behind NXWM all the way rather than getting infront and taking some customers! Not saying thats what happened today but I know from past journeys some of their drivers are like that. I will admit this though, I still favour Diamond over Green Bus for a few reasons and will always try my best to use them if I catch the 50.
Noticed one driver today who was behind 2 NXWM 50's and a Green Bus, on the other hand, there was one driver who was constantly in front (for the time I was watching at least) of a couple NXWM's (including 4799).
Today's 50s are 108, 110, 114, 116, 117, 120 and 502 - I can tell you the exact times each of them will depart Birmingham or Maypole if anyone wants to know
Quote from: trident4370 on June 25, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
It doesn't help Diamonds case they have a few drivers who are quite happy to sit behind NXWM all the way rather than getting infront and taking some customers! Not saying thats what happened today but I know from past journeys some of their drivers are like that. I will admit this though, I still favour Diamond over Green Bus for a few reasons and will always try my best to use them if I catch the 50.
Yeah some drivers do do this unfortunately-when their inspector came up they were taught to hold back but seem to have stopped doing this-I really like catching diamond on the 50 tho as ppl have said solos dont help-people need a brightly coloured reasonably sized bus they can notice. Yeah the yellow nifty branding was a good choice to be honest and 804 always seems busier than the other ones-should this tell management something??
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
Currently listening to 989 being revved by engineers and it is not a healthy sounding Metrobus!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
A shed for a shed... sounds about right!
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
A shed for a shed... sounds about right!
109 is a terrible bus due to fudged up gearbox, above 35mph not a problem but 3rd gear is messed up meaning going uphill it has a tendency to drop down a couple of gears, then shoot off and change up a couple, then lose power and drop a couple of gears again, etc...
Slowest bus in the fleet though is 121 which is not allowed on the Hagley services due to the fact it would not make it up the Hagley Hill!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
A shed for a shed... sounds about right!
109 is a terrible bus due to fudged up gearbox, above 35mph not a problem but 3rd gear is messed up meaning going uphill it has a tendency to drop down a couple of gears, then shoot off and change up a couple, then lose power and drop a couple of gears again, etc...
Slowest bus in the fleet though is 121 which is not allowed on the Hagley services due to the fact it would not make it up the Hagley Hill!
If its so useless why did they spend all that money refurbing it, seems a bit stupid
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 29, 2013, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
A shed for a shed... sounds about right!
109 is a terrible bus due to fudged up gearbox, above 35mph not a problem but 3rd gear is messed up meaning going uphill it has a tendency to drop down a couple of gears, then shoot off and change up a couple, then lose power and drop a couple of gears again, etc...
Slowest bus in the fleet though is 121 which is not allowed on the Hagley services due to the fact it would not make it up the Hagley Hill!
If its so useless why did they spend all that money refurbing it, seems a bit stupid
I don't think it was so 'useless' after the refurb but I believe the fuel pumps have gone hence the performance issues
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 29, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 29, 2013, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 28, 2013, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 28, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
109 on the 50 vice 116 which had ticket problems
A shed for a shed... sounds about right!
109 is a terrible bus due to fudged up gearbox, above 35mph not a problem but 3rd gear is messed up meaning going uphill it has a tendency to drop down a couple of gears, then shoot off and change up a couple, then lose power and drop a couple of gears again, etc...
Slowest bus in the fleet though is 121 which is not allowed on the Hagley services due to the fact it would not make it up the Hagley Hill!
If its so useless why did they spend all that money refurbing it, seems a bit stupid
I don't think it was so 'useless' after the refurb but I believe the fuel pumps have gone hence the performance issues
sods law aye!
I presume it will be getting repaired?
Metrobus on the 50 today. think it was 458, definitely an ex-Reading one :)
Quote from: John on July 04, 2013, 03:59:40 PM
Metrobus on the 50 today. think it was 458, definitely an ex-Reading one :)
Doubt 458 as it wouldn't fit in with the HC3 rota, then again they are very short of buses of late
It was 464 and I did it on its last 3 trips :) I may or may not post a picture to the MCW Metrobus facebook page later, depends how I feel :P
Would be interesting to have a picture as this breaks centro SQP rules step entrance buses should NOT be used on stage carriage routes in the City Centre
464 is the worst Metrobus in the fleet lol. Slower than a B6, shudders every time it stops and makes a weird sound when ticking over that makes it sound like an alien craft to me
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Trust me, any other Metrobus would have been better. Still, I'm probably saying that because I'm too used to them lol
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Trust me, any other Metrobus would have been better. Still, I'm probably saying that because I'm too used to them lol
Put it this way I wouldn't have bothered if it had been a ZF Trident so any metrobus is better than no metrobus in my eyes ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Trust me, any other Metrobus would have been better. Still, I'm probably saying that because I'm too used to them lol
Put it this way I wouldn't have bothered if it had been a ZF Trident so any metrobus is better than no metrobus in my eyes ;)
I agree with you there ;) besides they'll all be gone in a few weeks, except probably 989
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Trust me, any other Metrobus would have been better. Still, I'm probably saying that because I'm too used to them lol
Put it this way I wouldn't have bothered if it had been a ZF Trident so any metrobus is better than no metrobus in my eyes ;)
I agree with you there ;) besides they'll all be gone in a few weeks, except probably 989
Thought 989 had been sold Matt?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 04, 2013, 11:28:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:12:57 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 04, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
I thought it was great myself, it had a funny way of flicking into neutral which I was rather amused by and a loud / double? retarder :P
You can tell I've missed the metrobuses ;)
Trust me, any other Metrobus would have been better. Still, I'm probably saying that because I'm too used to them lol
Put it this way I wouldn't have bothered if it had been a ZF Trident so any metrobus is better than no metrobus in my eyes ;)
I agree with you there ;) besides they'll all be gone in a few weeks, except probably 989
Thought 989 had been sold Matt?
It has, but he's still letting them use it in service for now, he drives my HC2 with it usually. Not sure when he's going to take it out of service
Ahh, so its been sold to a TGB employee?
Greenbus 50A appears to be withdrawn from 1st September, the new registration has the 50 as going to Redditch bus station
Anyone know if more journeys are now extended through to Redditch?
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point: Birmingham City Centre
Via:
Service Number: 50
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2013
Other Details: Mondays to Saturdays.
PD1090982/11 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50A/50 effective from 01-Sep-2013.
Re: The Rat
E989VUK (2989) is owned by a TGB driver and I believe wont even be used on school runs as of the end of this school year, shame 313 cant also be preserved
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 10, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
Re: The Rat
E989VUK (2989) is owned by a TGB driver and I believe wont even be used on school runs as of the end of this school year, shame 313 cant also be preserved
Fair enough.
Which ones were Reading?
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 10, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
Re: The Rat
E989VUK (2989) is owned by a TGB driver and I believe wont even be used on school runs as of the end of this school year, shame 313 cant also be preserved
Correct! Matt said to me its the last few weeks of GB Metros
Something which has been known for months already. 464 (E464SON) has been withdrawn today
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 11, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Something which has been known for months already. 464 (E464SON) has been withdrawn today
Damn negative news there.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 11, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Something which has been known for months already. 464 (E464SON) has been withdrawn today
How did you find that out Ashley? Even I hadn't been made aware yet. Withdrawn for mechanical reasons or due to sale?
Quote from: The Rat on July 10, 2013, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 10, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
Re: The Rat
E989VUK (2989) is owned by a TGB driver and I believe wont even be used on school runs as of the end of this school year, shame 313 cant also be preserved
Fair enough.
Which ones were Reading?
458, 462 and 464 are ex Reading Buses and previously Harrow. 460 and 469 also were, but have been sold on since. 313 and 989 (and if anyone remembers back to 63 which was 3063, but left TGB about 2 years ago) are of course ex TWM :)
I just know matt. Just to add, 464 appeared on the 50 for a full day one day last week if anybodyy didnt know
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 12, 2013, 12:45:37 AM
I just know matt. Just to add, 464 appeared on the 50 for a full day one day last week if anybodyy didnt know
Yeah I heard about that - possibly the last public Metrobus working in Birmingham ever!
Having said that, the school routes are technically public routes too
I will check with contacts regarding 464.
Just to add, Spectra 204 was getting rather hot and bothered on the HC2 today! Even had steam coming out of its... ears
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 12, 2013, 12:45:37 AM
I just know matt. Just to add, 464 appeared on the 50 for a full day one day last week if anybodyy didnt know
Yeah I heard about that - possibly the last public Metrobus working in Birmingham ever!
Having said that, the school routes are technically public routes too
I will check with contacts regarding 464.
I saw 02 driving around and blinds say avaliable to general public (or Q2) so presumably they are public :-)
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 12, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 12, 2013, 12:45:37 AM
I just know matt. Just to add, 464 appeared on the 50 for a full day one day last week if anybodyy didnt know
Yeah I heard about that - possibly the last public Metrobus working in Birmingham ever!
Having said that, the school routes are technically public routes too
I will check with contacts regarding 464.
I saw 02 driving around and blinds say avaliable to general public (or Q2) so presumably they are public :-)
Yeah as long as you have money for a fare (or concessionary pass) anyone can ride any of the school routes. So if you see a Metrobus you can flag it down
Why don't TGB accept bus???
Doesn't every operator have to???
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 12, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on July 12, 2013, 12:45:37 AM
I just know matt. Just to add, 464 appeared on the 50 for a full day one day last week if anybodyy didnt know
Yeah I heard about that - possibly the last public Metrobus working in Birmingham ever!
Having said that, the school routes are technically public routes too
I will check with contacts regarding 464.
I saw 02 driving around and blinds say avaliable to general public (or Q2) so presumably they are public :-)
Yeah as long as you have money for a fare (or concessionary pass) anyone can ride any of the school routes. So if you see a Metrobus you can flag it down
weird how they accept concessionary and not nnetwork/nBus - i presume fares are same as 50/50A?
Do TGB have any dealings with Centro?
I think they accept N bus on the 50/A and public services but not on School services
Green Bus certainly accept nbus on their local bus services. I used mine many times on the 558 and a few times on 50/A including 2 Saturdays ago. I cannot say about school services.
Wonder if Swift works on school services
nBus/nNetwork is only valid on the 50 and 50A between Birmingham and Maypole. You cannot use nBus/nNetwork on school services but is it not worth paying £1.50 for a ride on a soon-to-be-withdrawn Metrobus?
I'm pretty sure Swift would be accepted on school services, but never noticed it as very few people seem to have it
464 is going for scrap.
I don't think it was ever posted on here, but Lance 206 was scrapped about 2 months ago
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
nBus/nNetwork is only valid on the 50 and 50A between Birmingham and Maypole. You cannot use nBus/nNetwork on school services but is it not worth paying £1.50 for a ride on a soon-to-be-withdrawn Metrobus?
I'm pretty sure Swift would be accepted on school services, but never noticed it as very few people seem to have it
I got swift
It can pay the £1.50 on the school services :P
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 14, 2013, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
nBus/nNetwork is only valid on the 50 and 50A between Birmingham and Maypole. You cannot use nBus/nNetwork on school services but is it not worth paying £1.50 for a ride on a soon-to-be-withdrawn Metrobus?
I'm pretty sure Swift would be accepted on school services, but never noticed it as very few people seem to have it
I got swift
It can pay the £1.50 on the school services :P
Except Swift cards reduce the fare to £1.30 (and 65p for a child)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 14, 2013, 03:09:59 PM
I don't think it was ever posted on here, but Lance 206 was scrapped about 2 months ago
Oh what a shame, I used to love travelling on that bus, it was an absolute flyer! And one of the first buses I think Ian Mack purchased
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 14, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 14, 2013, 03:09:59 PM
I don't think it was ever posted on here, but Lance 206 was scrapped about 2 months ago
Oh what a shame, I used to love travelling on that bus, it was an absolute flyer! And one of the first buses I think Ian Mack purchased
Ditto, glad I managed to film on it on the 558, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui8_61eK29Q
just found this
7. PD1090982/11 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50A/50 effective from 30-Aug-2013
Quote from: bewminster on July 17, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
just found this
7. PD1090982/11 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50A/50 effective from 30-Aug-2013
I think it's getting a major reworking
I can not see them pulling off the 50, they go get good loads. Wonder what will happen in terms of changes
Ive used the 50 alot the past two years for various reasons, i could never find much difference between TGB and NXWM other than TGB have much nicer drivers and the variety of tridents that aPpear on the route isnt something id ever moan about
This was registered back on the 5/7/13....
THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED - PD1050400/83
Registration Number:
Variation Number 0
Status Registered
Operator Name THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED
Service Number(s) 50 (50A)
Start Point Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point Birmingham City Centre
Via
Service Type Normal Stopping
Date Received 05-JUL-2013
Effective Date 01-SEP-2013
End Date -
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Local Authorities covered by route CENTRO<BR>Worcestershire County Council
N&P Reference 2179
On the other licence...
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED - PD1090982/11
Registration Number:
Variation Number 7
Status Cancelled
Operator Name THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Service Number(s) 50A (50)
Start Point Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point Birmingham City Centre
Via
Service Type Normal Stopping
Date Received 19-JUN-2013
Effective Date 30-AUG-2013
End Date -
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Local Authorities covered by route CENTRO<BR>Worcestershire County Council
N&P Reference
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on July 17, 2013, 11:40:22 PM
This was registered back on the 5/7/13....
THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED - PD1050400/83
Registration Number:
Variation Number 0
Status Registered
Operator Name THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED
Service Number(s) 50 (50A)
Start Point Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point Birmingham City Centre
Via
Service Type Normal Stopping
Date Received 05-JUL-2013
Effective Date 01-SEP-2013
End Date -
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Local Authorities covered by route CENTRO<BR>Worcestershire County Council
N&P Reference 2179
On the other licence...
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED - PD1090982/11
Registration Number:
Variation Number 7
Status Cancelled
Operator Name THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Service Number(s) 50A (50)
Start Point Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point Birmingham City Centre
Via
Service Type Normal Stopping
Date Received 19-JUN-2013
Effective Date 30-AUG-2013
End Date -
TAOs covered by route West Midlands
Local Authorities covered by route CENTRO<BR>Worcestershire County Council
N&P Reference
Of course, this is the new registration replacing the old one which has been cancelled
I believe tomorrow is the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Is there enough spare buses to cover, or will we be seeing any new arrivals before September?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Is there enough spare buses to cover, or will we be seeing any new arrivals before September?
New arrivals
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Is there enough spare buses to cover, or will we be seeing any new arrivals before September?
New arrivals
Can you say more about what type they will be?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Is there enough spare buses to cover, or will we be seeing any new arrivals before September?
New arrivals
Can you say more about what type they will be?
The Trident type
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 18, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 18, 2013, 05:02:20 PM
I believe that tomorrow will be the last day of Metrobus operation at TGB.
Is there enough spare buses to cover, or will we be seeing any new arrivals before September?
New arrivals
Can you say more about what type they will be?
The Trident type
That's boring. It was what I was expecting though. Standardization makes sense.
whats happing at green bus take a look at this site info for today and note the date as it is after school return
https://www.tan.gov.uk
altered as link does not work
it is the service registration site there are 29 cancelations for green bus services I know they are school ones but as I said
before if you look at date it is after schools and colleges return
Quote from: bewminster on July 19, 2013, 10:47:20 AM
whats happing at green bus take a look at this site info for today and note the date as it is after school return
https://www.tan.gov.uk
What is it?
see my pervious post as link does not work edit my post which will give you a idea
Clearly, they aren't actually withdrawing all those services. I guess they must be reregistering them, for some unknown reason.
I will try and find out what this is all about
The Green Bus no longer operates MCW Metrobuses as of the end of today.
989 to be sold to an enthusiast working at TGB
313 sold to a father & son for preservation, think I heard it's being made into a café
464 going for scrap
Unsure of the destination of 458 and 462 but both deserve saving
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 19, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
The Green Bus no longer operates MCW Metrobuses as of the end of today.
989 to be sold to an enthusiast working at TGB
313 sold to a father & son for preservation, think I heard it's being made into a café
464 going for scrap
Unsure of the destination of 458 and 462 but both deserve saving
OMG!!!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 19, 2013, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 19, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
The Green Bus no longer operates MCW Metrobuses as of the end of today.
989 to be sold to an enthusiast working at TGB
313 sold to a father & son for preservation, think I heard it's being made into a café
464 going for scrap
Unsure of the destination of 458 and 462 but both deserve saving
OMG!!!!
I know :(
They put it on its very last journey on my school route HC2 this afternoon (replacing 904 which did the morning run), really sad to see it pull off from my bus stop for the very last time.
I always maintain that 313 is the fastest and best sounding Metrobus I have been on. I love its screams and I will miss it such a lot. Its new owners had better keep it running and not touch the engine or anything!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 19, 2013, 05:41:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 19, 2013, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 19, 2013, 04:54:41 PM
The Green Bus no longer operates MCW Metrobuses as of the end of today.
989 to be sold to an enthusiast working at TGB
313 sold to a father & son for preservation, think I heard it's being made into a café
464 going for scrap
Unsure of the destination of 458 and 462 but both deserve saving
OMG!!!!
I know :(
They put it on its very last journey on my school route HC2 this afternoon (replacing 904 which did the morning run), really sad to see it pull off from my bus stop for the very last time.
I always maintain that 313 is the fastest and best sounding Metrobus I have been on. I love its screams and I will miss it such a lot. Its new owners had better keep it running and not touch the engine or anything!
What is this thing with buses being turned into Cafe, there is one on the border of Lye & Cradley.
Are Green bus pulling out of the WM, on the VOSA website today they have deregestered a lot of school services, the other day the 50 was also on there. Does anybody now if they are pulling out or not, all the services withdrawn are from September 2013
Quote from: woody38 on July 19, 2013, 06:55:10 PM
Are Green bus pulling out of the WM, on the VOSA website today they have deregestered a lot of school services, the other day the 50 was also on there. Does anybody now if they are pulling out or not, all the services withdrawn are from September 2013
I already said that the services aren't being withdrawn! They have already sold tens of thousands of pounds worth of passes for next years services, and let me just assure you they are not withdrawing off the 50
You have to remember green bus school routes do change depending on where the children who buy passes live, so it is very likely once they have collated the data there will be a ruck of new registrations.
Quote from: Steveminor on July 19, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
You have to remember green bus school routes do change depending on where the children who buy passes live, so it is very likely once they have collated the data there will be a ruck of new registrations.
Last I heard only one route was changing, one of the Five Ways routes
New Greenbus registrations on VOSA today:
PD1090982/24 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wednesbury, Holyhead Road
Finish Point: Bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW7
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/25 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Bearwood, Hagley Road West
Finish Point: Hagley Catholic School
Via:
Service Number: HC1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/26 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Winson Green, City Road
Finish Point: Hagley Catholic School
Via:
Service Number: HC2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/27 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Bearwood, Hagley Road West
Finish Point: Hagley Catholic School
Via:
Service Number: HC3
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/28 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Smethwick, High Street
Finish Point: Hagley Catholic School
Via:
Service Number: HC4
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/29 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Handsworth, Hall Road
Finish Point: Great Barr, Q3 Academy
Via:
Service Number: Q1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/30 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road
Finish Point: Hollywood, Woodrush Community School
Via:
Service Number: WR2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/31 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Handsworth, Hall Road
Finish Point: Great Barr, Q3 Acadeny
Via:
Service Number: Q2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/32 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Edgbaston, Harborne Road
Finish Point: Walsall, Queen Mary's High School
Via:
Service Number: QM1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/33 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Kidderminster Bus Station
Finish Point: Bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW6
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/34 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road
Finish Point: Hollywood, Woodrush Community School
Via:
Service Number: WR1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/35 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Little Aston, Rosemary Hill Road
Finish Point: King Edward VI Handsworth School
Via:
Service Number: AH2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/36 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hill Hook, Walsall Road
Finish Point: King Edward VI Handsworth School
Via:
Service Number: AH3
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/37 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Solihull Rail Station
Finish Point: King Edward VI Handsworth School
Via:
Service Number: AH5
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/38 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Northfield, Bristol Road South
Finish Point: King Edward VI Handsworth School
Via:
Service Number: AH6
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
Wednesbury to Bartley Green? Now there's a route and a half.
More registrations:
PD1090982/39 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Weoley Castle, Castle Road
Finish Point: King Edward VI Aston School
Via:
Service Number: AH7
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/40 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Newtown, Newtown Row
Finish Point: bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW1
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/41 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Erdington, Six Ways
Finish Point: Bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/42 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hockley Heath
Finish Point: Bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW4
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
PD1090982/43 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Solihull, Station Road
Finish Point: Bartley Green, King Edward Five Ways School
Via:
Service Number: FW5
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 16-SEP-2013
Other Details: School days only.
Has the Green Bus pulled out of its Stourbridge college etc routes? They have vanished from the Green bus site.
Quote from: s94 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Has the Green Bus pulled out of its Stourbridge college etc routes? They have vanished from the Green bus site.
I believe so
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 27, 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Has the Green Bus pulled out of its Stourbridge college etc routes? They have vanished from the Green bus site.
I believe so
They were a stupid idea though. How they thought routes to a college would work when the whole point of a college is people come and go throughout the day not like school when its arrival time and leaving time-how could you have travel times to suit everyones needs and would people at college really want to have to have the school pattern again which is what the routes would have to follow ie morning and afternoon they couldnt do all routes all day and so they wouldnt suit people
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 10:05:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 27, 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Has the Green Bus pulled out of its Stourbridge college etc routes? They have vanished from the Green bus site.
I believe so
They were a stupid idea though. How they thought routes to a college would work when the whole point of a college is people come and go throughout the day not like school when its arrival time and leaving time-how could you have travel times to suit everyones needs and would people at college really want to have to have the school pattern again which is what the routes would have to follow ie morning and afternoon they couldnt do all routes all day and so they wouldnt suit people
When i went to King Edward 6th form college in Stourbridge, it was more formalised than most colleges, with the day beginning at 09:00 & finishing at 15:30. However, for instance on Wednesday it was sports afternoon (think it still is) with many of the sports taking place away from the college. Plus the college finished at 15:00. So therefore it would be difficult to operate a bus service there.
Well Prospect seem to do very well with their Halesowen college service but then that is heavily subsidised I believe whereas with TGB and King Ed's speaking as a student who left just last year it was more of a case of the college begging TGB to start something just to satisfy some silly environmental cause! Which is even more rediculous considering most students already use public transport, the 246!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2013, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on July 27, 2013, 10:05:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 27, 2013, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: s94 on July 27, 2013, 09:37:57 PM
Has the Green Bus pulled out of its Stourbridge college etc routes? They have vanished from the Green bus site.
I believe so
They were a stupid idea though. How they thought routes to a college would work when the whole point of a college is people come and go throughout the day not like school when its arrival time and leaving time-how could you have travel times to suit everyones needs and would people at college really want to have to have the school pattern again which is what the routes would have to follow ie morning and afternoon they couldnt do all routes all day and so they wouldnt suit people
When i went to King Edward 6th form college in Stourbridge, it was more formalised than most colleges, with the day beginning at 09:00 & finishing at 15:30. However, for instance on Wednesday it was sports afternoon (think it still is) with many of the sports taking place away from the college. Plus the college finished at 15:00. So therefore it would be difficult to operate a bus service there.
Didnt realise it was as formal as that but as you have said still hard to operate a service there
I wouldn't expect many people to buy passes for the Stourbridge College services, as TGB set their pass prices high enough that you need to use the service almost every day in order to get your money's worth from buying the pass.
Many students would not be able to use the services every day, due to the flexibility of the hours they spend at college, therefore I expect that not many passes were sold. With most customers anticipated to be paying cash fares, it is likely that not enough money would be made from the services to make them financially viable, especially competing with the 246, 276, etc
Matt, Are anymore Tridents arriving in time for September (School Services) to replace the metrobuses. One more question (Forgot to ask earlier) are anymore Spectras coming to Green Bus?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Matt, Are anymore Tridents arriving in time for September (School Services) to replace the metrobuses. One more question (Forgot to ask earlier) are anymore Spectras coming to Green Bus?
Yes and yes
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 30, 2013, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 10:08:25 PM
Matt, Are anymore Tridents arriving in time for September (School Services) to replace the metrobuses. One more question (Forgot to ask earlier) are anymore Spectras coming to Green Bus?
Yes and yes
Thanks Matt:) More appropriate to ask tommorow ;)
Three more Spectra arrivals:
201 - S876 BYJ
202 - S877 BYJ
206 - S881 BYJ
One more Spectra (203 - S878 BYJ) is yet to arrive.
989 now in the process of being taken out of TGB livery.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 31, 2013, 08:15:07 PM
Three more Spectra arrivals:
201 - S876 BYJ
202 - S877 BYJ
206 - S881 BYJ
One more Spectra (203 - S878 BYJ) is yet to arrive.
Is that six Spectra in total with TGB?
Yes there are 6 in total
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on August 08, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 31, 2013, 08:15:07 PM
Three more Spectra arrivals:
201 - S876 BYJ
202 - S877 BYJ
206 - S881 BYJ
One more Spectra (203 - S878 BYJ) is yet to arrive.
Is that six Spectra in total with TGB?
Yes, 201-206. They are clearly a replacement for the 6 Metrobuses which have recently been withdrawn (313, 989, 458, 460, 462, 464)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
989 now in the process of being taken out of TGB livery.
Any idea what livery 989 is being put into Matt? :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 08, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
989 now in the process of being taken out of TGB livery.
Any idea what livery 989 is being put into Matt? :)
Last i heard the person at GB who now owns it may put it into Wolverhampton Corporation Livery
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 08, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 08, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
989 now in the process of being taken out of TGB livery.
Any idea what livery 989 is being put into Matt? :)
He is returning it to Wolverhampton Corporation livery, as seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55318994@N07/6209532706/
It's also being returned to original spec (windows, seats etc. all being replaced with originals)
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
201-206 are now Spectra. They have replaced the Metrobuses.
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
206 is a recently arrived Spectra at Green Bus. Matt should be able to help you ;)
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
Yes, 206 was a Lance L206 YAG, but that was scrapped several months ago. 206 is now an Optare Spectra, S881 BYJ. All of 201-206 should be in school service when school restarts in September.
I had not heard of any enthusiast event, are you sure the enthusiasts weren't just staff not in uniform?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
Yes, 206 was a Lance L206 YAG, but that was scrapped several months ago. 206 is now an Optare Spectra, S881 BYJ. All of 201-206 should be in school service when school restarts in September.
I had not heard of any enthusiast event, are you sure the enthusiasts weren't just staff not in uniform?
No I'm not sure, hence I put "enthusiasts / staff"
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
Yes, 206 was a Lance L206 YAG, but that was scrapped several months ago. 206 is now an Optare Spectra, S881 BYJ. All of 201-206 should be in school service when school restarts in September.
I had not heard of any enthusiast event, are you sure the enthusiasts weren't just staff not in uniform?
No I'm not sure, hence I put "enthusiasts / staff"
Oh sorry, thought you meant enthusiasts and staff.
Will see if I can find out what was going on.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: Kevin on August 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
A Decker passes me at Scott arms earlier, turning from Newton rd to Walsall rd, seemed to have fleet no. 206 but looking at the fleet list that's a Lance... also seemed to have about a dozen enthusiasts / staff on board. Anyone know any details?
Yes, 206 was a Lance L206 YAG, but that was scrapped several months ago. 206 is now an Optare Spectra, S881 BYJ. All of 201-206 should be in school service when school restarts in September.
I had not heard of any enthusiast event, are you sure the enthusiasts weren't just staff not in uniform?
No I'm not sure, hence I put "enthusiasts / staff"
Oh sorry, thought you meant enthusiasts and staff.
Will see if I can find out what was going on.
It was parked up in Perry Barr One Stop having their break
Yes staff were all in uniform
Blinds blank
On the Birmingham Mail website today:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/discounted-bus-fares-scheme-pupils-5745652
Quote from: Stu on August 18, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
On the Birmingham Mail website today:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/discounted-bus-fares-scheme-pupils-5745652
Sounds as though TGB may be forced to operate more commercial services during the day to help cover the costs of the school services now the reimbursement has been capped?
Quote from: Winston on August 18, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 18, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
On the Birmingham Mail website today:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/discounted-bus-fares-scheme-pupils-5745652
Sounds as though TGB may be forced to operate more commercial services during the day to help cover the costs of the school services now the reimbursement has been capped?
Or they'll have to increase the price of the child passes they currently offer?
Or more private hire
£250,000 (the money TGB claims they will lose in the Mail article is an awful lot of money to make up in a short time - plus the legal costs from the case as well.
Putting up the price of the child passes is an option, but it may result in some parents deciding that their children will travel to school by other means.
I think TGB will have to look at other options - running more commercial services (maybe along the 9 route using the buses employed to take students to the Hagley Schools, or in the Redditch area), and bidding for tender contracts from the likes of Centro and Worcestershire County Council as and when they come up.
p452 (the ex Diamond Lance) seen driving around duddeston at approx. 11:30AM and again at Witton at 15:30 Approx, both times with people aboard. Any ideas?
Quote from: Lukeee on August 18, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
p452 (the ex Diamond Lance) seen driving around duddeston at approx. 11:30AM and again at Witton at 15:30 Approx, both times with people aboard. Any ideas?
was thinking Football services, but don't think there were any matches today.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 18, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on August 18, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
p452 (the ex Diamond Lance) seen driving around duddeston at approx. 11:30AM and again at Witton at 15:30 Approx, both times with people aboard. Any ideas?
was thinking Football services, but don't think there were any matches today.
If you are on about Villa they played yesterday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 18, 2013, 09:18:15 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 18, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on August 18, 2013, 08:52:29 PM
p452 (the ex Diamond Lance) seen driving around duddeston at approx. 11:30AM and again at Witton at 15:30 Approx, both times with people aboard. Any ideas?
was thinking Football services, but don't think there were any matches today.
If you are on about Villa they played yesterday
I think TGB do football bus services for Birmingham City & WBA!
Best ask Matt! ;)
No way would the Lance be used on football services.
452 is seatbelted so it was most likely on private hire when you saw it. If the party hiring a bus is small then no reason not to use the Lance and keep a decker available.
Route training most likely; Green Bus will be covering some of the rail replacement diagrams on the Birmingham - Walsall - Rugeley line next weekend
Quote from: gac_uk on August 19, 2013, 06:16:42 AM
Route training most likely; Green Bus will be covering some of the rail replacement diagrams on the Birmingham - Walsall - Rugeley line next weekend
You mean they have a specific route to train drivers on? Last time I caught the green bus as a replacement bus from Hamstead to town he seemed to be making it up as he went along
Does anyone know if any Optare Spectras are on rail replacement tomorrow
Should b all weekend
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 23, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
Does anyone know if any Optare Spectras are on rail replacement tomorrow
They usuay use Olympians and Tridents on Rail Replacement
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:38:37 AM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 23, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
Does anyone know if any Optare Spectras are on rail replacement tomorrow
They usuay use Olympians and Tridents on Rail Replacement
Mostly Olympians due to fuel consumption. Depends how many vehicles are required though. A couple of Spectras were reported on rail replacement yesterday
I imagine there would be more buses required today than yesterday because there will be 2 an hour running from Tame Bridge to Rugeley, where yesterday, there was one an hour to Walsall, with the other extending to Rugeley
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 24, 2013, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 08:38:37 AM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 23, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
Does anyone know if any Optare Spectras are on rail replacement tomorrow
They usuay use Olympians and Tridents on Rail Replacement
Mostly Olympians due to fuel consumption. Depends how many vehicles are required though. A couple of Spectras were reported on rail replacement yesterday
P452BPH was on rail replacement yesterday as well
Saw 201 and 203 on rail replacement
Hope to travel on a few rail replacement Green Buses tomorrow morning on me way to Wythall, saturday service on the trains with the whole walsall rail line replaced = half hourly buses, so there should be a nice variety ;)
In case anyone was unaware Tridents 124 & 125 have left the Midlands fleet and are now in London. Shame as I was quite fond of 124!
As of last Friday I've ridden all TGB Spectras except 206 :)
380 on my school route (HC2) today, love it on the rare occasion they put an Olympian on there!
Is it me or is the Chase line always on rail replacement at weekends?
205 was in Stafford at tea time yesterday showing WB4 - presumably route learning, although as it passed the station they seemed to be looking to see if there were any punters!
Quote from: mikestone on September 26, 2013, 12:23:04 PM
205 was in Stafford at tea time yesterday showing WB4 - presumably route learning, although as it passed the station they seemed to be looking to see if there were any punters!
No it was in service. West Brom played Arsenal last night in the League Cup and TGB were operating their WB football services
I looked at the WBA website and didn't see anything
ULTRA RARE Dennis Lance 452 on my school service HC2 this afternoon. First time a single decker has been on any Hagley service (except once in 2011 when there were only a few people in school). Brilliant sounding bus but limped along with only a couple of breakdowns (see breakdowns thread)...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
ULTRA RARE Dennis Lance 452 on my school service HC2 this afternoon. First time a single decker has been on any Hagley service (except once in 2011 when there were only a few people in school). Brilliant sounding bus but limped along with only a couple of breakdowns (see breakdowns thread)...
Love the Lance
Use to ride it on the 63 :) out of service back to the petrol station (i live opposite it :P - so a lift home basically)
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 27, 2013, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
ULTRA RARE Dennis Lance 452 on my school service HC2 this afternoon. First time a single decker has been on any Hagley service (except once in 2011 when there were only a few people in school). Brilliant sounding bus but limped along with only a couple of breakdowns (see breakdowns thread)...
Love the Lance
Use to ride it on the 63 :) out of service back to the petrol station (i live opposite it :P - so a lift home basically)
Yes it was a great treat amongst the usual sea of Spectras, Tridents and the odd Olympian.
TGB did have 2 older lances, 206 & 207, but both are scrapped now :(
Centro site
HC1 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley RC School via Halesowen Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC2 Green Bus Company Winson Green - Hagley Catholic Sch via Bearwood Route curtailed to operate Winson Green to Lutley Lane (WM boundary only) Timetable amended accordingly
HC3 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley Catholic School via Bartley Grn Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC4 Green Bus Company Smethwick - Hagley Catholic Sch via Brandhall Route curtailed to operate Smethwick to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable revised accordingly
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 AM
Centro site
HC1 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley RC School via Halesowen Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC2 Green Bus Company Winson Green - Hagley Catholic Sch via Bearwood Route curtailed to operate Winson Green to Lutley Lane (WM boundary only) Timetable amended accordingly
HC3 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley Catholic School via Bartley Grn Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC4 Green Bus Company Smethwick - Hagley Catholic Sch via Brandhall Route curtailed to operate Smethwick to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable revised accordingly
I wonder what happens to the school kids when they get deposited in Lutley Lane?
Quote from: Winston on October 01, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 AM
Centro site
HC1 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley RC School via Halesowen Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC2 Green Bus Company Winson Green - Hagley Catholic Sch via Bearwood Route curtailed to operate Winson Green to Lutley Lane (WM boundary only) Timetable amended accordingly
HC3 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley Catholic School via Bartley Grn Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC4 Green Bus Company Smethwick - Hagley Catholic Sch via Brandhall Route curtailed to operate Smethwick to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable revised accordingly
I wonder what happens to the school kids when they get deposited in Lutley Lane?
They don't, the service number will change
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 01, 2013, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 01, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 01, 2013, 09:13:54 AM
Centro site
HC1 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley RC School via Halesowen Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC2 Green Bus Company Winson Green - Hagley Catholic Sch via Bearwood Route curtailed to operate Winson Green to Lutley Lane (WM boundary only) Timetable amended accordingly
HC3 Green Bus Company Bearwood - Hagley Catholic School via Bartley Grn Route curtailed to operate Bearwood to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable amended accordingly
HC4 Green Bus Company Smethwick - Hagley Catholic Sch via Brandhall Route curtailed to operate Smethwick to Lutley Lane (WM boundary) only Timetable revised accordingly
I wonder what happens to the school kids when they get deposited in Lutley Lane?
They don't, the service number will change
Is the Lutely lane - Hagley RC section funded by the school then or another?
907 back on the road, seen on service HC3 this morning.
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
In a New Bus Dealership? ;)
Quote from: trident4370 on October 04, 2013, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
In a New Bus Dealership? ;)
That will never happen. ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Your teasing us again Matt ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Your teasing us again Matt ;) ;) ;)
Is it the 226 :) (only joking!)
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 04, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Your teasing us again Matt ;) ;) ;)
Is it the 226 :) (only joking!)
All I can do for the time being Stu ;)
You wish Tom :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 04, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Your teasing us again Matt ;) ;) ;)
Is it the 226 :) (only joking!)
All I can do for the time being Stu ;)
You wish Tom :)
THE GREEN BUS, first bus operator to operate on the moon? ;) ;)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 04, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2013, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Your teasing us again Matt ;) ;) ;)
Is it the 226 :) (only joking!)
All I can do for the time being Stu ;)
You wish Tom :)
THE GREEN BUS, first bus operator to operate on the moon? ;) ;)
Nah I'm thinking its gonna be Redditch or Worcester or even on the 144.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 04, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Look out for TGB appearing where you might not expect them sometime soon.
Druids heath ;)
Well it wont be any were on a hill as there buses seem incapable of climbing them !
At least 202 and 206 on Chase line rail replacement today, along with a Central buses E200 and Midland Classic 83
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
That's a sick joke.
Are you sure you haven't got the wrong end of the stick?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
That's a sick joke.
Are you sure you haven't got the wrong end of the stick?
That would be ridiculous. I can remember when I used to get the bus from Hayley Green to Hagley to go to Haybridge High School, the fair on the 192 or the school services was £2.30 each way. A ridiculous price for a sixth form student.
Towards the end of my 2 years there, I started just catching the 247/248 services to Pedmore and walked from there to Hagley as it was so much cheaper.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
That's a sick joke.
Are you sure you haven't got the wrong end of the stick?
No, I have received an email from the MD explaining it all today
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 10, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
That's a sick joke.
Are you sure you haven't got the wrong end of the stick?
Could that potentially put TGB out of business or an eventual mass withdrawal of school routes?
If the fares increase significantly, I would have thought that others would follow suit & find a cheaper alternative to get to school
This is probably the fallout from this story from August:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/discounted-bus-fares-scheme-pupils-5745652
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
Have Centro given a reason for this? I personally don't agree with Centro subsidy to take kids to Haybridge, it's out the area and there is plenty of schools closer.
I believe they can give subsidy to anything up to a specific distance outside the PTE boundary if it benefits the residents the PTE
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 10, 2013, 05:53:24 PM
Centro have entirely withdrawn the subsidy for all TGB school services. The result is going to be a significant increase in child fares and pass prices. Also the Hagley services are at risk of being withdrawn as they will make considerable losses without the subsidy.
Looks like I might have to get the 9 then 276 to school soon
Afraid you are completely correct on this one Matt, it is an absolute mess, I already know students who have already cancelled their TGB passes, one has and I am absolutely telling the truth moved house because of it, my Dad works at KEFW where Ian Mack started it all from so get the news I really don't know what they are going to do as the prices are already extortionate and are limited in their commercial work because of their school routes/commitment any extra routes would miss both the AM and PM peak where they would make the most money unless they increase the fleet, but that would still mean lots of buses would sit doing nothing between the school runs
TGB have withdrawn the Hagley services, with effect from after half term (so 2 weeks of service remaining). I had a feeling this was going to happen.
What happens after that, nobody knows.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 14, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
TGB have withdrawn the Hagley services, with effect from after half term (so 2 weeks of service remaining). I had a feeling this was going to happen.
What happens after that, nobody knows.
Sounds as though the funding cuts are seriously going to hurt TGB's business model. I assume the school may have to part fund some replacement services as some pupils have to travel miles
The SP (St. Paul's) services have also been withdrawn
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 14, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
The SP (St. Paul's) services have also been withdrawn
:shock:
:o
That's an absolutely disgusting move from Centro. They've effectively closed down TGB. What services do they run on normal service now? Obviously the 50 but that won't keep it afloat...
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 14, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
That's an absolutely disgusting move from Centro. They've effectively closed down TGB. What services do they run on normal service now? Obviously the 50 but that won't keep it afloat...
They just run the 50 now, with peak time extras to Redditch on the 50A. Maybe they might have to take up more service work
Quote from: John on October 14, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 14, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
That's an absolutely disgusting move from Centro. They've effectively closed down TGB. What services do they run on normal service now? Obviously the 50 but that won't keep it afloat...
They just run the 50 now, with peak time extras to Redditch on the 50A. Maybe they might have to take up more service work
And is it true the fares are £3 single £5 return?
This isn't looking good for TGB. Shame as I genuinely like Green Bus.
The £3 single/£5 return is for the school services only, it is still £1.50 on the 50 for the time being
It has not yet been confirmed, but it is likely Thandi will be taking over the Hagley services
Very sad that an operator who has tried so hard to increse the quality of school transport finds it self in this position..h
The only way TGB can continue to provide the buses & drivers with continued work would be to diversify further in to commercial work, but even that comes with risks, as smaller operators are finding it increasingly more difficult to compete against NX. Even Centro tenders may not be an option as the costs of opetating double deckers may be not be able to compete with midis run by the likes of WMSNT.
It must be a tense time at TGB, they need to find alternative profitable work fast.....
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 14, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
The SP (St. Paul's) services have also been withdrawn
Wow, ok didn't expect that, thought it was just the Hagley services running outside the centro area, but this as well now? Considering the school services are how TGB started up I worry for their future
I cant see as they have a future, very sad. It seems even harder when u loose a good operator and cowboys like Thandi continue to prosper..... The industry seems to be set against the reputable operator.
Quote from: andyr on October 14, 2013, 06:43:24 PM
Very sad that an operator who has tried so hard to increse the quality of school transport finds it self in this position..
Indeed.
There are a number of issues. On the one hand, you have "parental choice" and schools being encouraged to work in a marketplace (indeed, on the bus home tonight I've seen an advert from a new Academy offering the first 150 kids who sign up for the school by the 31st October a free tablet.) On the other, you've got a declining pot of money and a system designed in the mid 1980's where the majority of kids attended their nearest school - rather than being sent to one the other side of the Midlands.
The result is a mess which is only going to get worse as the full effects of the marketisation of education kick in. The Green Bus have offered an excellent quality of service, but that has cost and other operators (notably NXWM) do not the have interest in running school services, chiefly because they don't want buses now solely doing school contracts and then spending most of the day cooped up in a depot not earning any revenue. The challenge for any operator running services designed for schools is to ensure their buses are earning money throughout the day, either on commercial bus routes or running special contracts for the education sector (e.g. school trips to libraries or the swimming baths).
Sadly, I can see many of the parents in this situation now giving up seeing the bus as a viable option for transporting their kids to and from school (especially following the sad story of Christina Edkins) and would rather drive their children even if that puts them out of their way. So, more cars clogging up the roads doing the school run, more kids not learning how to use public transport and more future customers lost to the bus industry.
Well done Centro - not. ::)
Very disappointing to hear that must be 6 routes withdrawn.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Green Bus step in to take over the Hagley School bus routes from Thandi because there were concerns about the quality of service, checks on drivers etc?
When I looked on the Green Bus website there was no info at all about pulling off these services.
Thinking about it, I can't see how Thandi would be able to operate the Hagley services, the double feckers TGB currently use get jam-packed, Thandi don't really have any suitable vehicles. If they were to use standard coaches they would need to use at least one more vehicle, but together with the 2 services operated by MHS, you can't park 7 full length coaches in the Hagley car park!
The only thing I can think of is if it's actually the 'red' Thandi aka Evergreen who have plenty of double decker buses which would be suitable
Quote from: andyr on October 14, 2013, 08:01:04 PM
No Thandi group vehicle is suitable to carry people !!. Look at there history, maintenance infrimgments, lack of insurance, un lisenced drivers, the list goes on and on. I have a daughter who is 7, i dread her going on a school trip because i know the school as to use the lowest priced tender for the trip..Working im the industry and knowing the operator reputation does mot make for a happy daddy !!
Yes I am very sad to see TGB go, they are SO much better than the various Thandi companies. I am very anxious to see what happens but it appears the decision to withdraw is final
Shame about Green Bus; never actually used them but they seem a good quality operator. I couldn't agree more with Kevin_Brum12. I currently use the 76 to get to school and I can see why parents would be anxious about sending their year 7 child on the bus. The buses sometimes have to leave people behind at stops and I have already had one incident of someone smoking on the top deck. My dad was saying that he wouldn't have sent me on the 76 all the way to Kings Heath when I was 11 and that he would have paid for the Green Bus. The Green Bus problem is that it is very expensive; the pass for a year is very expensive in comparison to the Nbus pass and I can see why demand is relatively low. If the price was actually lowered more people would use them, instead of NXWM etc.
Obviously it will be a shame to see green bus pull off these services but let's not forget theyre expanding in other areas through franchising-maybe this is the future for the business?? They still do routes to many other schools and the 50 seems to do fairly well but the thing is, GreenBus is prospering out of the fact that people outside the WM area who pay less council tax can benefit from our schools and subsidised bus routes which is totally and utterly wrong. Centro money should be spent on socially necessary routes in the WMids, not routes outside the boundary or kids who live over the boundary who for some reason want a birmingham school. Yes, it may be hard for those kids to get to a school but thats a decision for the parents who choose to live there-they cannot expect to have a place at a birmingham school, a subsidised yet still expensive bus to get them there and to pay less council tax!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 14, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Obviously it will be a shame to see green bus pull off these services but let's not forget theyre expanding in other areas through franchising-maybe this is the future for the business?? They still do routes to many other schools and the 50 seems to do fairly well but the thing is, GreenBus is prospering out of the fact that people outside the WM area who pay less council tax can benefit from our schools and subsidised bus routes which is totally and utterly wrong. Centro money should be spent on socially necessary routes in the WMids, not routes outside the boundary or kids who live over the boundary who for some reason want a birmingham school. Yes, it may be hard for those kids to get to a school but thats a decision for the parents who choose to live there-they cannot expect to have a place at a birmingham school, a subsidised yet still expensive bus to get them there and to pay less council tax!!
Totally agree, also centro need to stop wasting money on tendered services that are not required by the masses, and that a ford transit could handle.
Quote from: bususer12 on October 14, 2013, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 14, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Obviously it will be a shame to see green bus pull off these services but let's not forget theyre expanding in other areas through franchising-maybe this is the future for the business?? They still do routes to many other schools and the 50 seems to do fairly well but the thing is, GreenBus is prospering out of the fact that people outside the WM area who pay less council tax can benefit from our schools and subsidised bus routes which is totally and utterly wrong. Centro money should be spent on socially necessary routes in the WMids, not routes outside the boundary or kids who live over the boundary who for some reason want a birmingham school. Yes, it may be hard for those kids to get to a school but thats a decision for the parents who choose to live there-they cannot expect to have a place at a birmingham school, a subsidised yet still expensive bus to get them there and to pay less council tax!!
Totally agree, also centro need to stop wasting money on tendered services that are not required by the masses, and that a ford transit could handle.
Yep-they need to genuinely get some good transport planners in and work with operators to look at new links which they agree to subsidise for a bit with a view to the route becoming commercial. Then we would have new bits on the network.
Quote from: bususer12 on October 14, 2013, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 14, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
Obviously it will be a shame to see green bus pull off these services but let's not forget theyre expanding in other areas through franchising-maybe this is the future for the business?? They still do routes to many other schools and the 50 seems to do fairly well but the thing is, GreenBus is prospering out of the fact that people outside the WM area who pay less council tax can benefit from our schools and subsidised bus routes which is totally and utterly wrong. Centro money should be spent on socially necessary routes in the WMids, not routes outside the boundary or kids who live over the boundary who for some reason want a birmingham school. Yes, it may be hard for those kids to get to a school but thats a decision for the parents who choose to live there-they cannot expect to have a place at a birmingham school, a subsidised yet still expensive bus to get them there and to pay less council tax!!
Totally agree, also centro need to stop wasting money on tendered services that are not required by the masses, and that a ford transit could handle.
I do wonder sometimes how Centro work out where needs a tendered service and how often it should be.
As an example, the 240 was let on a one year tender last year to Diamond, and now in the new tenders it has been given a two year tender with WMSNT although a couple of journeys have been withdrawn. Why run the service, i see it very regularly at different times of the day, and there is no one on it. A Ford Transit would be to big for the 240.
Surely school buses should take a priority in funding to running a service where every passenger being carried is being heavily subsidised.
It is built into the West Midlands statute that every person that inside the West Midlands boundary should have a bus service within a set distance from their home & at a minimum frequency
These figures change dependant on the time & day & are deemed as socially necessary.
Now school services would take a back seat to these services as children are able to get to their schools if they live within the West Midlands, all be it by changing bus & walking a small distance.
IMHO greenbus sealed their own fate when the opted out of the Nbus scheme for their school services on the legal basis that excepting them would leave them worse off financially. That's just basically admitting your services aren't financially viable without getting the child fare top up from centro. This left centro technically subsidising a school network without entering into a tender to get the best value for money, now that's just wrong.
On the point that some routes have much bigger buses than is needed, we'll centro sets out a minimum vehicle standard that is required for a route if the winning company wishes to exceed these requirements then it's upto them. If memory serves the 240 spec was for a minimum seating capacity of 16 originally, so yes a low floor bread van could have been used if there was one to hand.
Was surprised to hear today that the school has met with NXWM to discuss a takeover of the Hagley services. The services must be operated by double deckers, not coaches, hence Thandi's fleet is unsuitable
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Was surprised to hear today that the school has met with NXWM to discuss a takeover of the Hagley services. The services must be operated by double deckers, not coaches, hence Thandi's fleet is unsuitable
Well has any NXWM garage got any spare capacity as far as Deckers go? Not at peak times I highly doubt it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Was surprised to hear today that the school has met with NXWM to discuss a takeover of the Hagley services. The services must be operated by double deckers, not coaches, hence Thandi's fleet is unsuitable
What is stopping Thandi going to Ensignbus and buying some deckers?
Quote from: gac_uk on October 15, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Was surprised to hear today that the school has met with NXWM to discuss a takeover of the Hagley services. The services must be operated by double deckers, not coaches, hence Thandi's fleet is unsuitable
What is stopping Thandi going to Ensignbus and buying some deckers?
They'd have 2 weeks to do so. The school don't really want Thandi back after the school swapped them for TGB a couple of years ago due to lack of safety, poor buses, unreliability, just a terrible service really
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: gac_uk on October 15, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
Was surprised to hear today that the school has met with NXWM to discuss a takeover of the Hagley services. The services must be operated by double deckers, not coaches, hence Thandi's fleet is unsuitable
What is stopping Thandi going to Ensignbus and buying some deckers?
They'd have 2 weeks to do so. The school don't really want Thandi back after the school swapped them for TGB a couple of years ago due to lack of safety, poor buses, unreliability, just a terrible really
I can't really see NXWM wanting to get involved with school services unless it was worth their while, I assume the services would also have to be operated out of BC to keep any dead mileage to a minimum. Is there one double decker required for each route i.e. HC1-4?
In reply to Winston (can't quote on phone),
Yes, all 4 services get jam-packed, the school have already confirmed that double deckers are required, coaches are too small and there would not be room to park them in the car park anyway
Diamond could always do the contracts-they seemed more than able to do school contracts back in 2006 at a fraction of the cost of greenbus
I came across a few days ago Spectra 202 parked under the Tunnel by the Markets, any reason why it was there ? no driver present
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
I came across a few days ago Spectra 202 parked under the Tunnel by the Markets, any reason why it was there ? no driver present
If it was on Sunday then it was probably on Rail Replacement Nathan
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 15, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
Diamond could always do the contracts-they seemed more than able to do school contracts back in 2006 at a fraction of the cost of greenbus
Diamond don't have any double deckers available.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
I came across a few days ago Spectra 202 parked under the Tunnel by the Markets, any reason why it was there ? no driver present
If it was on Sunday then it was probably on Rail Replacement Nathan
It was a Weekday ?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 15, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
Diamond could always do the contracts-they seemed more than able to do school contracts back in 2006 at a fraction of the cost of greenbus
Diamond don't have any double deckers available.
They have got the 3 ex Yourbus Presidents lying idle in Long Acre, but they may well need work doing to them to make them road worthy
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
I came across a few days ago Spectra 202 parked under the Tunnel by the Markets, any reason why it was there ? no driver present
If it was on Sunday then it was probably on Rail Replacement Nathan
It was a Weekday ?
Drivers sometimes park in the city centre in between jobs in different parts of the Midlands, rather than going back to garage, there is no significance to it
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:32:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
I came across a few days ago Spectra 202 parked under the Tunnel by the Markets, any reason why it was there ? no driver present
If it was on Sunday then it was probably on Rail Replacement Nathan
It was a Weekday ?
Drivers sometimes park in the city centre in between jobs in different parts of the Midlands, rather than going back to garage, there is no significance to it
Cheers
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
I'm sure you could always hire a n extra couple of double deckers off Dawson Rentals or Ensign at short notice if you needed too. In the main I can't see it being worth the hassle for most operators if they need to go out & acquire extra buses. It's only a couple of hours work per day for each bus
I doesn't sound as though the school can afford to be too picky & choosy with who or what they use as they've only got two weeks to get an alternative in place
What about Prospect Coaches, i know there not deckers, but they are reliable!
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
I'm sure you could always hire a n extra couple of double deckers off Dawson Rentals or Ensign at short notice if you needed too. In the main I can't see it being worth the hassle for most operators if they need to go out & acquire extra buses. It's only a couple of hours work per day for each bus
I doesn't sound as though the school can afford to be too picky & choosy with who or what they use as they've only got two weeks to get an alternative in place
VIP anyone? Theyve got a couple of deckers floating about-sure the school would love them to step in :P and there are 4 yourbus presidents at long acre, not 3
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 15, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
I'm sure you could always hire a n extra couple of double deckers off Dawson Rentals or Ensign at short notice if you needed too. In the main I can't see it being worth the hassle for most operators if they need to go out & acquire extra buses. It's only a couple of hours work per day for each bus
I doesn't sound as though the school can afford to be too picky & choosy with who or what they use as they've only got two weeks to get an alternative in place
VIP anyone? Theyve got a couple of deckers floating about-sure the school would love them to step in :P and there are 4 yourbus presidents at long acre, not 3
According to Tony's Flights Hallmark fleetlist there are 3, but you may know otherwise ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
It's not up to the school. Any company with a valid operators license can register a route. If the school does not invite them onto their grounds then they would simply pickup / drop off at the gate!
Quote from: gac_uk on October 15, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 15, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Winston, that would be only 3 deckers, where does the fourth come from?
What happens if one of them is in for service or is VOR?
Rotala is not one of the four operators the school is considering.
It's not up to the school. Any company with a valid operators license can register a route. If the school does not invite them onto their grounds then they would simply pickup / drop off at the gate!
Geoff, but in this instance wouldn't the school be funding the routes? Surely if it a viable option to operate the routes without funding, TGB wouldn't be pulling off them
Quote from: gac_uk on October 15, 2013, 08:41:00 PM
It's not up to the school. Any company with a valid operators license can register a route. If the school does not invite them onto their grounds then they would simply pickup / drop off at the gate!
No, that would not happen. Only the school has the data about where the potential customers (i.e. schoolkids) live, and would only disclose this data to an approved provider. Without this data, a company would not be able to design effective routes. What's more, the school would not advertise the existance of rogue routes and probably discourage students from using them
Also buses cannot pick up/drop off "at the gates", the only way to turn around is to go through the school grounds. Buses trying to do 93-point turns in the gridlock traffic in Hagley is not a good idea. The nearest drop off point would be the high street, where there are proper bus stops
Nitromatt you are correct but, any operator doesn't need the data at this stage as all they have to do is copy the ex GB routes and adjust them as required.
My feeling is though that these services are unsustainable given the new centro stance re child passes etc so I can't see who would want to do them without funding. Thandi may want to step into the breach short term but if there's no profit in it for him he'll soon be off
E458SON is parked up in Welford School playground on Hamstead Road just before the Lozells Road junction (on the right if going towards city) i initially thought it was for a school trip when i saw it yesterday, but it was parked up in the same spot today.
Sadly NXWM are out of the running.
The three operators being considered for takeover on Nov 4th are TGB, Evergreen Coaches and Finesse Coaches
The latter 2 are Thandi companies
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
The latter 2 are Thandi companies
Yes, Evergreen were the previous operator.
I had never heard of Finesse, what do they have in their fleet?
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
The latter 2 are Thandi companies
Do you think the school even realises the links?
Woah, sorry, I've totally lost track and I can't make heads nor tails of most of these posts.
So are TGB going to be doing schools again? What's Finesse got to do with the operations?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
The latter 2 are Thandi companies
Yes, Evergreen were the previous operator.
I had never heard of Finesse, what do they have in their fleet?
Basically Evergreen are Red Thandi and Finesse are Blue Thandi
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
Sadly NXWM are out of the running.
The three operators being considered for takeover on Nov 4th are TGB, Evergreen Coaches and Finesse Coaches
Full details are on Hagley RCs website
http://www.hagleyrc.com/attachments/article/376/Parents%20Letter%20re%20Buses_Oct13.pdf
Quote from: gac_uk on October 17, 2013, 03:39:55 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
Sadly NXWM are out of the running.
The three operators being considered for takeover on Nov 4th are TGB, Evergreen Coaches and Finesse Coaches
Full details are on Hagley RCs website
http://www.hagleyrc.com/attachments/article/376/Parents%20Letter%20re%20Buses_Oct13.pdf
Hi Geoff
That link doesn't seem to work
Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: gac_uk on October 17, 2013, 03:39:55 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
Sadly NXWM are out of the running.
The three operators being considered for takeover on Nov 4th are TGB, Evergreen Coaches and Finesse Coaches
Full details are on Hagley RCs website
http://www.hagleyrc.com/attachments/article/376/Parents%20Letter%20re%20Buses_Oct13.pdf
Hi Geoff
That link doesn't seem to work
Looks like they have updated the letter since my post
Try http://www.hagleyrc.com/ then click link on main page
It worked earlier tony I looked at it.
The basics of it were they were asking the parents to decide.
Greenbus offering private school transport for £795 per term. Evergreen offering the same for £650 per term & finesse offering to run as it does now as a regular bus service for £550 per term.
Quote from: 37351ml on October 16, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
E458SON is parked up in Welford School playground on Hamstead Road just before the Lozells Road junction (on the right if going towards city) i initially thought it was for a school trip when i saw it yesterday, but it was parked up in the same spot today.
I thought all the Metro's were withdrawn?
Anyway the two Spectra's I saw today, first time I've seen a TGB Spectra looked and sounded fantastic 201 and 208
Quote from: Steveminor on October 17, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
It worked earlier tony I looked at it.
The basics of it were they were asking the parents to decide.
Greenbus offering private school transport for £795 per term. Evergreen offering the same for £650 per term & finesse offering to run as it does now as a regular bus service for £550 per term.
Finesse or any of Blue Thandi only currently have 2 double decks. The black Trident on the Fort service and N737 JNO ex AM PM, so would have to acquire some more. Only cheap vehicles on the market at the moment are ex London which would not have an increase in capacity they claim to be able to provide, or Olympians, so I would presume some ex Stagecoach or Dublin Long wheelbase ones would need to be acquired
The comments about larger capacity double deckers are interesting. Given that TGB are currently using ex London double deck buses with the middle doors taken out where are they going to get these vehicles from? I understand you can remove the wheelchair space to increase seating but given that the vehicles may be needed for routes where DDA access will be required this seems something of a false economy.
The head has also not revealed what NXWM were proposing, though a Halesowen Bus Station - Hagley NXWM service with students using the conventional bus network to connect with this route might be a better option for parents on more limited incomes.
Quote from: gac_uk on October 17, 2013, 07:01:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: gac_uk on October 17, 2013, 03:39:55 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
Sadly NXWM are out of the running.
The three operators being considered for takeover on Nov 4th are TGB, Evergreen Coaches and Finesse Coaches
Full details are on Hagley RCs website
http://www.hagleyrc.com/attachments/article/376/Parents%20Letter%20re%20Buses_Oct13.pdf
Hi Geoff
That link doesn't seem to work
Looks like they have updated the letter since my post
Try http://www.hagleyrc.com/ then click link on main page
Info is here:
http://www.hagleyrc.com/index.php/component/content/article/64-othernews/376-letter-to-parents-ref-bus-review
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on October 17, 2013, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on October 16, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
E458SON is parked up in Welford School playground on Hamstead Road just before the Lozells Road junction (on the right if going towards city) i initially thought it was for a school trip when i saw it yesterday, but it was parked up in the same spot today.
I thought all the Metro's were withdrawn?
Anyway the two Spectra's I saw today, first time I've seen a TGB Spectra looked and sounded fantastic 201 and 208
208 does not exist, 206 perhaps?
Quote from: Steveminor on October 17, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
It worked earlier tony I looked at it.
The basics of it were they were asking the parents to decide.
Greenbus offering private school transport for £795 per term. Evergreen offering the same for £650 per term & finesse offering to run as it does now as a regular bus service for £550 per term.
The prices you have given are for annual passes not termly passes
It doesn't sound like NXWM were ever in the running for taking on the school services, more of what they may be able to provide to link existing services to the school
Quote from: Winston on October 17, 2013, 10:10:04 PM
It doesn't sound like NXWM were ever in the running for taking on the school services, more of what they may be able to provide to link existing services to the school
The only thing I can thing of is extra peak 276s going into Hagley
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 17, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 17, 2013, 10:10:04 PM
It doesn't sound like NXWM were ever in the running for taking on the school services, more of what they may be able to provide to link existing services to the school
The only thing I can thing of is extra peak 276s going into Hagley
Or possibly a new shuttle service between Hagley & Halesowen to link in with the 9 for pupils coming from B'ham, Bearwood areas etc & the 002 for Bartley Green etc
It is almost a certainty now that Evergreen will be taking over the Hagley services.
It has already been confirmed that they are taking over the St. Paul's services
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Currently on 105 on the last morning HC2, rather apt as 105 was the first Green Bus I ever rode on the HC2
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
I also wonder who 'Discount Travel Solutions' of Smethwick are who have bought 3 ex Stagecoach Darts
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
I also wonder who 'Discount Travel Solutions' of Smethwick are who have bought 3 ex Stagecoach Darts
Is that the company who operate 1 route in redditch??
Quote from: Dylan4579 on October 30, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2013, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
I also wonder who 'Discount Travel Solutions' of Smethwick are who have bought 3 ex Stagecoach Darts
Is that the company who operate 1 route in redditch??
No, they are City Line Travel who have yet to put in an appearance
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
They are Olympians, aren't they? They seem a little bit too old to be East Lancs bodies Tridents.
Are they the 85 seat deckers we have been promised?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
They are Olympians, aren't they? They seem a little bit too old to be East Lancs bodies Tridents.
Are they the 85 seat deckers we have been promised?
They are Volvo Olympians ex Go South Coast, new to Metrobus, Orpington.
They were new as H47/25D and are still in dual door format, so 85 seaters no chance.....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/londonbusesinexile/9061638780/
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: s94 on October 21, 2013, 08:23:23 PM
The Hagley school website today confirms Evergreen Coaches will be taking over the school services again.
Beat me to it! Yes, sadly Evergreen won the vote. On the plus side, the Spectras and Olympians might not be that bad. However if Thandi are anything to go by I'll have to get to my stop a bit earlier as, from experience of when they did the services before, they could turn up at absolutely any time.
Thandi have bought 4 R-reg deckers from Ensign during October, I assume for the Hagley RC services
Taken from Ensign Oct log:
Olympians R830 / 831 / 838 / 843MFR : Thandi Coaches, Birmingham.
They are Olympians, aren't they? They seem a little bit too old to be East Lancs bodies Tridents.
Are they the 85 seat deckers we have been promised?
Ex Metrobus Olympians
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33991893@N08/9061638780/
I'm sure I saw one passing through Aldridge yesterday. It was just a glance as I was in the car driving in the opposite direction, it was in this livery, at the island by the pub, heading down Northgate
Can't see them having the time or money to have them converted to single entrance buses, just to gain an extra couple of seats.
I'm pretty sure we're getting the 4 P-reg Olympians; perhaps these new R-reg Olympians will be moved onto the routes which the P-reg ones previously operated.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 08:37:19 PM
I'm pretty sure we're getting the 4 P-reg Olympians; perhaps these new R-reg Olympians will be moved onto the routes which the P-reg ones previously operated.
Evergreen have these 4 ex Lothian P-reg deckers, they are 81 seaters
http://wmbusphotos.com/Evergreen/iig6392.html
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 08:37:19 PM
I'm pretty sure we're getting the 4 P-reg Olympians; perhaps these new R-reg Olympians will be moved onto the routes which the P-reg ones previously operated.
Evergreen have these 4 ex Lothian P-reg deckers, they are 81 seaters
http://wmbusphotos.com/Evergreen/iig6392.html
Yes, as previously suggested by Tony, these may have their dual doors removed, to allow for the addition of 4 seats to make it up to 85. It seems certain to me that this is what will happen, given the Hagley routes have been promised 85 seat double deckers
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 31, 2013, 12:46:04 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 30, 2013, 08:37:19 PM
I'm pretty sure we're getting the 4 P-reg Olympians; perhaps these new R-reg Olympians will be moved onto the routes which the P-reg ones previously operated.
Evergreen have these 4 ex Lothian P-reg deckers, they are 81 seaters
http://wmbusphotos.com/Evergreen/iig6392.html
Yes, as previously suggested by Tony, these may have their dual doors removed, to allow for the addition of 4 seats to make it up to 85. It seems certain to me that this is what will happen, given the Hagley routes have been promised 85 seat double deckers
I'd be surprised if Evergreen/Thandi would convert them to single door format, more than likely they will just seal up the centre doors so they can't open & install two rows of extra seats
FW8 service cancelled, FW1 & FW7 rerouted to cover as much of the route as possible
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 04, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
FW8 service cancelled, FW1 & FW7 rerouted to cover as much of the route as possible
Matt,
Do you have any idea what Greenbus are planning to do with the deckers made redundant off the Hagley school routes & others?
Quote from: Winston on November 04, 2013, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 04, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
FW8 service cancelled, FW1 & FW7 rerouted to cover as much of the route as possible
Matt,
Do you have any idea what Greenbus are planning to do with the deckers made redundant off the Hagley school routes & others?
The last I was told was the Spectras are going to be kept parked in the garage as much as possible
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
One of these?
http://www.ensignbus.com/scania-omnicity-2008.html
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
One of these?
http://www.ensignbus.com/scania-omnicity-2008.html
That's a bit modern for Green Bus ;D
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
One of these?
http://www.ensignbus.com/scania-omnicity-2008.html
Not sure if it is an Ensign one. They have it on loan as a trial and if successful will lease some from one of the leasing companies who have had them returned from London
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
One of these?
http://www.ensignbus.com/scania-omnicity-2008.html
Not sure if it is an Ensign one. They have it on loan as a trial and if successful will lease some from one of the leasing companies who have had them returned from London
Santander have them listed as well but also for sale, the photos are identical to the ones on the Ensign web page
https://www.santanderusedassets.co.uk/pages/CF013/asset/11318.asp#
WMBus group has a post stating the one Greenbus currently have is LX08ECY
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
my thought exactly, the other day Green Bus had a bus parked at the end of Colmore Row for a few hours (Running Board was HC2), if buses can stand idle like that, surely they don't need any more buses.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
my thought exactly, the other day Green Bus had a bus parked at the end of Colmore Row for a few hours (Running Board was HC2), if buses can stand idle like that, surely they don't need any more buses.
Very interesting to see how their business progresses in the next few months. Unless tridents are going to other parts of the country for contracts.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2013, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
One of these?
http://www.ensignbus.com/scania-omnicity-2008.html
Not sure if it is an Ensign one. They have it on loan as a trial and if successful will lease some from one of the leasing companies who have had them returned from London
Santander have them listed as well but also for sale, the photos are identical to the ones on the Ensign web page
https://www.santanderusedassets.co.uk/pages/CF013/asset/11318.asp#
WMBus group has a post stating the one Greenbus currently have is LX08ECY
Yes it is Santandar who Green Bus are looking at, and it is for lease not purchase
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
my thought exactly, the other day Green Bus had a bus parked at the end of Colmore Row for a few hours (Running Board was HC2), if buses can stand idle like that, surely they don't need any more buses.
Running board HC2? I wonder why it had that
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 02, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
my thought exactly, the other day Green Bus had a bus parked at the end of Colmore Row for a few hours (Running Board was HC2), if buses can stand idle like that, surely they don't need any more buses.
Running board HC2? I wonder why it had that
Thats what i thought Matt!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2013, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 02, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2013, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Might seem a silly question but if they are losing work and have lost work, do they need more buses?
my thought exactly, the other day Green Bus had a bus parked at the end of Colmore Row for a few hours (Running Board was HC2), if buses can stand idle like that, surely they don't need any more buses.
It could have done a private hire for a school or group to the German market and was able to fit around HC2 requirements.
Running board HC2? I wonder why it had that
Thats what i thought Matt!
But Green Bus don't do the HC2 anymore. Passed to Evergreen Coaches in November so wouldn't fit round HC2 requirements
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 03, 2013, 04:03:19 PM
But Green Bus don't do the HC2 anymore. Passed to Evergreen Coaches in November so wouldn't fit round HC2 requirements
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Good point forgot that!
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98601496@N03/11207405266/
Must be strange seeing a London bus in Brum ;)
Quote from: John on December 04, 2013, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98601496@N03/11207405266/
Must be strange seeing a London bus in Brum ;)
I don't know why but it takes me back to the days of Spectras on the 50! Could be the similar back end/front windscreen I guess, It looks very nice though, to a certain extent it looks better than the NX 50s, mainly because all the red is the same shade with no faded patches!
Quote from: trident4370 on December 04, 2013, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: John on December 04, 2013, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 02, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
Ex Go Ahead London Scania Omnicity operating on the 50. Didn't see the reg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98601496@N03/11207405266/
Must be strange seeing a London bus in Brum ;)
I don't know why but it takes me back to the days of Spectras on the 50! Could be the similar back end/front windscreen I guess, It looks very nice though, to a certain extent it looks better than the NX 50s, mainly because all the red is the same shade with no faded patches!
And newer....
57 Regs to an 08 Reg, I guess it's newer but only by a matter of months!
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
What are they like to travel on / condition etc? Do you reckon its something Greenbus may go for?
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2013, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
What are they like to travel on / condition etc? Do you reckon its something Greenbus may go for?
The interior condition was fine, the bus seemed pretty nifty but comfortable. I'd say if TGB can afford them, then they will probably buy more.
I'm surprised TGB can afford such modern buses, I expect Ensign were selling them at a knock-down price
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2013, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
What are they like to travel on / condition etc? Do you reckon its something Greenbus may go for?
The interior condition was fine, the bus seemed pretty nifty but comfortable. I'd say if TGB can afford them, then they will probably buy more.
I'm surprised TGB can afford such modern buses, I expect Ensign were selling them at a knock-down price
I thought it had been posted that they were looking to lease some rather than buy?
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2013, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2013, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
What are they like to travel on / condition etc? Do you reckon its something Greenbus may go for?
The interior condition was fine, the bus seemed pretty nifty but comfortable. I'd say if TGB can afford them, then they will probably buy more.
I'm surprised TGB can afford such modern buses, I expect Ensign were selling them at a knock-down price
I thought it had been posted that they were looking to lease some rather than buy?
Ahh - that explains it. It will be interesting to see if they stick to the 50 or if they put them on school services.
I wish they still ran the 558, would've been nice seeing an Omnicity in Dudley/Wolves!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 07, 2013, 12:07:07 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2013, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2013, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 06, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
LX08 ECY was my 50 this afternoon, many people around Kings Heath thought it was a NX 50
What are they like to travel on / condition etc? Do you reckon its something Greenbus may go for?
The interior condition was fine, the bus seemed pretty nifty but comfortable. I'd say if TGB can afford them, then they will probably buy more.
I'm surprised TGB can afford such modern buses, I expect Ensign were selling them at a knock-down price
I thought it had been posted that they were looking to lease some rather than buy?
Ahh - that explains it. It will be interesting to see if they stick to the 50 or if they put them on school services.
I wish they still ran the 558, would've been nice seeing an Omnicity in Dudley/Wolves!
I assume they potentially trailing them to rent a batch or they could also be hire purchasing them?
I'd have thought they may be to upgrade the 50, the current school services fleet is more than adequate
I'm still surprised that have launched any more new commercial routes
Well with the state of 114 I would have thought they might be looking at the 50, it was almost bordering on dangerous it was that slow and it wasn't the driver
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 10, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
Well with the state of 114 I would have thought they might be looking at the 50, it was almost bordering on dangerous it was that slow and it wasn't the driver
114 has been like that for ages, should've seen it up the Hagley Hill ;)
Spectra 206 is on the 50 today
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:15:06 PM
Spectra 206 is on the 50 today
Its been some years since a Spectra operated the 50 ;) Very good Spot btw :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 12, 2013, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:15:06 PM
Spectra 206 is on the 50 today
Its been some years since a Spectra operated the 50 ;) Very good Spot btw :)
I've been waiting since they arrived from Reading for one to appear on the 50, but a day when I can not get a picture, one is on there. I always like to watch the Green Bus 50s for a bit when in Town to see if one has sneaked on there :D Only once before has one been on there, I think
Are TGB's Spectras allowed on the 50?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 12, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
Are TGB's Spectras allowed on the 50?
Technically no, it is a frequent service into the city centre. The Spectras are step entrance and of course not low-emissions compliant. However the rules state that a non-compliant vehicle may be used in order to keep a service running, i.e. if it is the last resort.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 12, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
Are TGB's Spectras allowed on the 50?
Technically no, it is a frequent service into the city centre. The Spectras are step entrance and of course not low-emissions compliant. However the rules state that a non-compliant vehicle may be used in order to keep a service running, i.e. if it is the last resort.
Think its such a shame that the Spectra's aren't compliant, it would be so nice to see them regularly on the 50 or on the 126 from WN.
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:15:06 PM
Spectra 206 is on the 50 today
Absolutely fuming that I missed this post or I'd have been out like a shot to snap it >:( I've had my eye on the 50 for months now waiting for it to happen >:(
I notice TGB is running the 142 service on Boxing Day
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 22, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
I notice TGB is running the 142 service on Boxing Day
And virtually al Arriva Midlands Sunday services at Wednesfield
Quote from: Nathan on December 22, 2013, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 22, 2013, 10:15:32 PM
I notice TGB is running the 142 service on Boxing Day
And virtually al Arriva Midlands Sunday services at Wednesfield using loaned buses from Central Buses
We do not know that they are using only Central Buses' vehicles. There is no reason why they won't bring some of their own buses out too.
Watch this space as they say ... ;)
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/jobs/inspector/
:)
Saw a green bus president go through Heath Town towards W'ton this morning. Learning Boxing Day duties on 28E/82 possibly?
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
Saw a green bus president go through Heath Town towards W'ton this morning. Learning Boxing Day duties on 28E/82 possibly?
Which type of Trident? 101-105 or 111-113? (can't be 108 or 112 as they're on the 50)
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
Saw a green bus president go through Heath Town towards W'ton this morning. Learning Boxing Day duties on 28E/82 possibly?
Which type of Trident? 101-105 or 111-113? (can't be 108 or 112 as they're on the 50)
Pretty sure it was one of the 101-105 tridents. It had quite a few staff onboard
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
Saw a green bus president go through Heath Town towards W'ton this morning. Learning Boxing Day duties on 28E/82 possibly?
Which type of Trident? 101-105 or 111-113? (can't be 108 or 112 as they're on the 50)
Pretty sure it was one of the 101-105 tridents. It had quite a few staff onboard
It's not very difficult to tell them apart... 101-105 have tinted black windows, the massive logo, different rear etc, 111-113 look more like NXWM's B7 Presidents & have the small logo
Well Matt i only caught a glimpse of it from the corner of my eye and i don't have much of an interest in Green Bus as you!!!
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Well Matt i only caught a glimpse of it from the corner of my eye and i don't have much of an interest in Green Bus as you!!!
Errrm... I guess that means you're not sure?
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 02:43:01 PM
Well Matt i only caught a glimpse of it from the corner of my eye and i don't have much of an interest in Green Bus as you!!!
Errrm... I guess that means you're not sure?
Yes sorry i'm not 100% but it was a 10*. Its just how you put that across "Its not hard to tell them apart" it might be easy for you but i don't see any green buses so i couldn't tell the difference between the two although the only thing that makes me say its 101-105 was the seats and seat moquette
Sorry if i snapped in my last message
Nathan, don't start one of your moral debates again. If you want to say something do it over PM.
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 02:55:29 PM
Nathan, don't start one of your moral debates again. If you want to say something do it over PM.
i'm not. Plus i just posted something and you were the one starting it!
Anyway as you said lets not argue on a Public forum.
I wonder if seeing this President means that routes like the 28E will operate with Presidents.
Now Now ladies, keep it civil...
Most likely was route learning, speaking of odd green bus sightings, I saw a Spectra at Maypole last week parked up in the 50 bay, but it drove off NIS as if it was going to Redditch (down the bypass)...
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
That's probably why TGB are loaning buses of Central Buses, I would think they may be loaning smaller Darts/E200's as TGB don't have any of their own
They do have 1 dart, S519 TCF
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
That's probably why TGB are loaning buses of Central Buses, I would think they may be loaning smaller Darts/E200's as TGB don't have any of their own
But isn't the timetable designed to interwork with the 82 and 545 (and after 545 the 229). If so a bigger bus would make more sense especially if it was promoted by Centro and the operators as a direct Wolvo to Merry Hill (albeit half hour longer than the 255) link
So will TGB running the Arriva Services in WA (8A/335)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 23, 2013, 05:15:30 PM
So will TGB running the Arriva Services in WA (8A/335)
I believe they are operating all services from Wednesfield operated on a Sunday so yes the 8A/335 are included.
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
That's probably why TGB are loaning buses of Central Buses, I would think they may be loaning smaller Darts/E200's as TGB don't have any of their own
Hi Winston. TGB have asked us to program the blinds on our vehicles for the 213/214 (MPD's)
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
I'm going to spend half the day on the 142 ;D
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
I'm going to spend half the day on the 142 ;D
Look out for Grern Bus vehicles on there Matt :)
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2013, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 07:41:47 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
I'm going to spend half the day on the 142 ;D
Look out for Grern Bus vehicles on there Matt :)
Yeah, better be careful not to miss a giant green Trident
Lets just say its a big possibility that will happen :)
Quote from: gac_uk on December 23, 2013, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
That's probably why TGB are loaning buses of Central Buses, I would think they may be loaning smaller Darts/E200's as TGB don't have any of their own
Hi Winston. TGB have asked us to program the blinds on our vehicles for the 213/214 (MPD's)
Hi Geoff, thanks for that, I thought anything bigger would be a bit tight around those routes
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: gac_uk on December 23, 2013, 07:39:15 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
Can't wait to see what they allocate to the 208! :-D
That's probably why TGB are loaning buses of Central Buses, I would think they may be loaning smaller Darts/E200's as TGB don't have any of their own
Hi Winston. TGB have asked us to program the blinds on our vehicles for the 213/214 (MPD's)
Hi Geoff, thanks for that, I thought anything bigger would be a bit tight around those routes
If I remember correctly diamond have allocated a DAF once before on the 213 or 214
It was 101, saw it on the 82 stand this morning in wolverhampton.
Quote from: Andrew on December 23, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
It was 101, saw it on the 82 stand this morning in wolverhampton.
Must have been on route training for the 82.
YN51 KVE seen on 257
106 and 123 on the 28E/530. Driver accidently missed out New Cross Hospital out so he did a u turn then turned into the hospital. Same driver also left the wrong way out of W'ton on the 530
101 is on the 545/82
111 on the 142
Some interesting photos will be appearing on flickr later then!
119 is on the 19, must say it suits the 19
113 is on the 208
102 is on the 229
I've spent most of this morning directing drivers along the 142 and 257 routes, and will be doing it again after lunch.
No Olympians or Spectras out today unsurprisingly. 104, 111 and 118 are on the 142/257 - 111 and 118 have 142/257 programmed into the Hanovers but 104 has pieces of paper in the windscreen.
105 - also has 82 on a piece of paper
122 v313kgw on the 8a in Walsall
Blowing a lot of black smoke
You say no Olympians out? Got one right by me in merry hill!!!
Had the pleasure of showing the driver of the central dart on the 213, 214 both routes!!
I've been told by a friend that Green Bus are close to collapse.
Any truth in this for The Green Bus Gurus?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 26, 2013, 02:40:20 PM
You say no Olympians out? Got one right by me in merry hill!!!
Had the pleasure of showing the driver of the central dart on the 213, 214 both routes!!
What route is the Olympian on Tom, the 208?
Came in displaying about how to hire a green bus then went back out 15 minutes later.
The central dart on the 213, 214 has gone back to depot without any visible replacement unless it was the Olympian?
This pizza is really nice!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 26, 2013, 02:40:20 PM
You say no Olympians out? Got one right by me in merry hill!!!
Had the pleasure of showing the driver of the central dart on the 213, 214 both routes!!
Had to show a driver the way on the 82 just. Yes i saw the Olympian at Merry Hill too whilst on 4828 on the X96
I had 102 on the 82 about half hour ago. I also caught 111 on a fast thrash on the 142.
Did TGB on loan 2 buses from Central Buses or was there more?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 04:56:32 PM
Did TGB on loan 2 buses from Central Buses or was there more?
I saw one of them
Saw one on the 335, which I tried so hard to photo, an one was reported working in Dudley (213/4). The rest seem to be TGB own (:
112 was on the 208
Quote from: OH25 on December 26, 2013, 06:13:33 PM
112 was on the 208
Also did the 82/545 and 229 aswell
122 - 8A;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11569142703/
101 - 229;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11569054175/
123 - 530;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11569048955/
113 - 545;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11569066714/
Really wanted to get one on the 142/82 :'(
I had 123 on the 28E this morning :) Got a photo of it leaving W'ton Bus Station onto Pipers Row on the 530
Anyone got pictures of TGB on the 142/82/28E/208, Only ones I didnt get to see
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 07:35:41 PM
Anyone got pictures of TGB on the 142/82/28E/208, Only ones I didnt get to see
I've got a photo of 113 on the 208 which i will upload to flickr later for you to see :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 07:35:41 PM
Anyone got pictures of TGB on the 142/82/28E/208, Only ones I didnt get to see
108 (208) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570374666/in/set-72157639053623233
380 (NIS) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570372136/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570355436/in/set-72157639053623233/
112 (208)- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570287244/in/set-72157639053623233/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570288124/in/set-72157639053623233
EU06KOX (213/214) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570226485/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570375966/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570397763/in/set-72157639053623233
Thanks Tom + Nath (:
I had a play around with 104 whilst waiting time in Stourbridge. Surprised to find "Harborne 64", "Rubery, Morrisons 64" and "QE Hospital 64E" still available. "Wolverhampton 558" is also still there. I tried 125 and 11E but they had gone.
I noticed today that Green Bus were operating the 28E on the 28's line of route (Straight down Linthouse Lane to Woodend Island) then up Prestwood Road West instead of Arriva's line of route of Ridge Lane,Moat-House Lane West,Bellamy Lane then onto Prestwood Rd West.
Heard a lit of people making comments today like "A Double Decker on the 142! I don't believe it!"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26024754@N07/9912500574/
Just seen this around The Mucro Petrol Station where TGB fill up
Had blinds roller saying 559 Ashmore Park via Wednesfield
I presume it has been sold and not belong to TGB anymore?
Yes i believe 2989 has been sold for preservation. Matt will be able to confirm
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 03, 2014, 02:05:16 PM
Yes i believe 2989 has been sold for preservation. Matt will be able to confirm
Yeah, it has been bought by an employee who's in the process of restoring it to original spec & heritage livery
Its opening front windows were donated by 3013
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 03, 2014, 02:05:16 PM
Yes i believe 2989 has been sold for preservation. Matt will be able to confirm
Yeah, it has been bought by an employee who's in the process of restoring it to original spec & heritage livery
Its opening front windows were donated by 3013
I prefer it when they only have one hopper. Gives it some character.
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 28-Feb-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL
Finish Point: MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE
Via: HARBORNE, BARTLEY GREEN AND HALSOWEN
Service Number: 22
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 28-FEB-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday service
Sounds as though is maybe providing some competition for Diamond's 002 & Hanson's 004 depending on actual routing.
The choice of route number also makes me think that there are NX 22 changes / or the route is being re-numbered as part of the South B'ham network review
Logically if you wanted to go to merry hill or halesowen from Birmingham what would you catch?
Same from Harborne?
Same from Bartley Green?
Same from Halesowen to Merry Hill/Birmingham?
Plus the harborne to city and halesowen corridors surely are saturated too much already?
Looks like the cat's out the bag...
The 22 will indeed follow the NX 22 route to Bartley Green, then turn right by the memorial and follow the 002's route to Merry Hill.
I believe it will have a 30 minute frequency, with Tridents 108-113 intended for use on there. It will also serve Five Ways school in Bartley Green at peak times. I presume this is to lighten the crowded load on the FW1 and FW7.
Regarding the 50/50A changes, the 50A to Redditch is being withdrawn. I think the 50's operating hours are being extended into the evening, but not sure on that one.
I hope it goes well for The Green Bus, a good move for them. But wouldn't it have more chance of success if it departed from Colmore Row rather than Paradise Circus?
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 06:11:27 PM
I hope it goes well for The Green Bus, an good move for them. But wouldn't it have more chance of success if it departed from Colmore Row rather than Paradise Circus?
You'd have thought so, the Tridents being used shouldn't be a problem for emissions & the half hourly frequency. On a side note, I didn't think the 22 was that busy out of the peaks?
I wonder if is proves to be successful, whether TGB would consider trialling a Sunday service? I think there would be demand for one
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2014, 06:18:27 PM
Quote from: John on January 09, 2014, 06:11:27 PM
I hope it goes well for The Green Bus, an good move for them. But wouldn't it have more chance of success if it departed from Colmore Row rather than Paradise Circus?
You'd have thought so, the Tridents being used shouldn't be a problem for emissions & the half hourly frequency. On a side note, I didn't think the 22 was that busy out of the peaks?
I wonder if is proves to be successful, whether TGB would consider trialling a Sunday service? I think there would be demand for one
WOuld be great to see SUnday service
meaning a 002 link then
Running time is over a hour i presume to merry hill
Yay, another route from Birmingham to Merry Hill, Reiss will be pleased! ;D
I presume the NX 22 will be changed/renumbered?
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
I presume the NX 22 will be changed/renumbered?
Probably not, why?
Quote from: Matt on January 09, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
I presume the NX 22 will be changed/renumbered?
Probably not, why?
Sorry i just reread the fact it will follow the 22 route. I would have thought maybe a variation number could be used such as the 22A as people would possibly get confused if one 22 is going to Bartley Green and the other continues to Merry Hill
I think this is a good move by GB :) But i wonder if the loadings will be any good.
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 09, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
I presume the NX 22 will be changed/renumbered?
Probably not, why?
Sorry i just reread the fact it will follow the 22 route. I would have thought maybe a variation number could be used such as the 22A as people would possibly get confused if one 22 is going to Bartley Green and the other continues to Merry Hill
I think this is a good move by GB :) But i wonder if the loadings will be any good.
I doubt it, the NX 50 continues beyond the Maypole to Druids Heath. The TGB 22 will continue beyond Bartley Green to Merry Hill. As long as passengers actually read the destination or check the driver I can't see much of a problem.
Quote from: Matt on January 09, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
I doubt it, the NX 50 continues beyond the Maypole to Druids Heath. The TGB 22 will continue beyond Bartley Green to Merry Hill. As long as passengers actually read the destination or check the driver I can't see much of a problem.
Ok thanks Matt :) This will be the second route Green Bus have competed against a Green Hybrid operated route by NX ;)
Also i briefly remember some time ago reading or hearing that the GB50 would recieve route branding? Is there any plan to do this?
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
Also i briefly remember reading or hearing that the GB50 would recieve route branding? Is there any plan to do this?
Not that I know of
Quote from: Matt on January 09, 2014, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
Also i briefly remember reading or hearing that the GB50 would recieve route branding? Is there any plan to do this?
Not that I know of
Oh ok thanks :)
I get a feeling this will be another route 125. IE Withdrawn soon after it starts..
Wonder what route it will take between Halesowen and Merry Hill, only a TGB bus was seen going up and down Barrs Road in Cradley several times today?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
Wonder what route it will take between Halesowen and Merry Hill, only a TGB bus was seen going up and down Barrs Road in Cradley several times today?
Via the 002 route i believe
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 09, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
Wonder what route it will take between Halesowen and Merry Hill, only a TGB bus was seen going up and down Barrs Road in Cradley several times today?
Via the 002 route i believe
Yes, as I said, it will follow the 002 route.
Nothing would surprise me with Green Bus now...even if they were to register the 226W to run 7 days a week using Spectras!
Reason I say that is the 22 Merry Hill to City is, well, illogical. If you was a passenger and you wanted to get to City from Merry hill or Halesowen you'd get the 141, yes?
If you wanted to get to city from Spies Lane you'd jump on a 9, yes?
If you wanted to get to the side of Five Ways where the Harborne routes run from from Halesowen you'd get a 004/2x as it's quicker.
If you wanted to get to Harborne from Halesowen or Merry Hill you'd jump on a 004, yes?
If you wanted to get to Bartley Green from Halesowen or Merry Hill you'd jump on a 002, yes?
There is too many buses already between Harborne and City without another operator taking a chance. Plus who wants to get off at the Town Hall when NXWM go all the way to snow Hill Station...unless it's planned to do a loop similar to the 10H by New Street Station or is a SQP dodge?
By the way, do Green Bus still have the Omnicity?
But equally, if you wanted to travel between Kings Heath and the city, people will travel on the NX bus... So how do you explain Green Bus loadings on that route?
I say fair play to them, they're competing on two different routes at the same time
I've noticed TGB changed all their blinds on the 50 route to show prices and a smiley face
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2014, 01:35:44 AM
Nothing would surprise me with Green Bus now...even if they were to register the 226W to run 7 days a week using Spectras!
Reason I say that is the 22 Merry Hill to City is, well, illogical. If you was a passenger and you wanted to get to City from Merry hill or Halesowen you'd get the 141, yes?
If you wanted to get to city from Spies Lane you'd jump on a 9, yes?
If you wanted to get to the side of Five Ways where the Harborne routes run from from Halesowen you'd get a 004/2x as it's quicker.
If you wanted to get to Harborne from Halesowen or Merry Hill you'd jump on a 004, yes?
If you wanted to get to Bartley Green from Halesowen or Merry Hill you'd jump on a 002, yes?
There is too many buses already between Harborne and City without another operator taking a chance. Plus who wants to get off at the Town Hall when NXWM go all the way to snow Hill Station...unless it's planned to do a loop similar to the 10H by New Street Station or is a SQP dodge?
By the way, do Green Bus still have the Omnicity?
It offers a few people few links, but the majority of the route is duplication or there are faster alternatives especially from B'ham to Merry Hill. Maybe TGB would been better to run via the 002 route to Bartley Green and continue on to Northfield & Kings Norton/Cotteridge or Northfield & Rubery via Longbridge (Bournville College)
Quote from: Kevin on January 10, 2014, 06:34:53 AM
But equally, if you wanted to travel between Kings Heath and the city, people will travel on the NX bus... So how do you explain Green Bus loadings on that route?
I say fair play to them, they're competing on two different routes at the same time
That's different if it is the same route as it will get there first and pick up cash payers etc.
I just think the route is totally pointless as Trainbasher has pointed out above and I totally agree with you. No one will get them from town to Bartley Green as that corridor must be one of the quieter ones anyway and you are competing against the best selection of buses on any corridor from NX with hybrids/refurbed tridents/b7rles/e200s. So that will struggle, as Diamond did on the 22. No one will get that from Harborne to Merry Hill with the 004 and mainly the 99 which is far more often. Then the rest of the 002 is a busy route, granted but many people have passes and a half an hour frequency is not great either. Plus it will get held up being such a long route with the congestion around Five Ways and Merry Hill meaning it is rarely ever on time. I am obviously hoping the route is withdrawn but I doubt it will be a success, after failure on the 558/64/50A-glad to see Johnsons have got back their route as they built it up... and loss of many contracts. I think they are desperate to put buses on a route and if it is Scania Omnicity's then they will need a lot of work if they are like the ones I caught in London yesterday. It seems that arriva/greenbus have missed the point with these long competing routes that try to fulfill so many journey requirements that they actually end up fulfilling none. I would have thought short routes with a high frequency and fast turnaround are the fastest way to make a quick buck?
Does anyone know what hours are planned to be run on this 22 service?
Surely the 16 would have provided better competition?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
Does anyone know what hours are planned to be run on this 22 service?
Surely the 16 would have provided better competition?
16 and 50 already have enough buses. I would have thought the 97 would be a good choice of service...
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2014, 06:05:06 PM
Does anyone know what hours are planned to be run on this 22 service?
Surely the 16 would have provided better competition?
I know the first one will arrive in Merry Hill around 9am, but I could not say how late it finishes, because I don't know! I will update you if/when I find out, I am in regular contact with people there
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
Quote from: sonic84 on January 11, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
Their whole business model seems to be to copy diamond with the 50 this and diamonds old school services.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 11, 2014, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 11, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
Their whole business model seems to be to copy diamond with the 50 this and diamonds old school services.
The early Green Bus routes to King Edward's Bartley Green were set up by green Bus and run on their behalf by Pete's / People's Express, Stagecoach Warwickshire and First Wyvern.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 11, 2014, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 11, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
Their whole business model seems to be to copy diamond with the 50 this and diamonds old school services.
But Diamond copied the 50 off NE, and i don't see that Diamond have set up a 22 already for TGB to compete with??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 12, 2014, 08:14:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 11, 2014, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 11, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
Their whole business model seems to be to copy diamond with the 50 this and diamonds old school services.
But Diamond copied the 50 off NE, and i don't see that Diamond have set up a 22 already for TGB to compete with??
They used to run the 22 and even the 22N as part of GWM's night network. It was ditched which is why I doubt that bit of TGB's 22 will catch on as the Harborne corridor seems hard to compete on as let's be honest there are less bus users on there anyway and even the NX22/23 seem more quiet during the day time as presumably other than OAP's in areas like Harborne most people would be at work, not like on the 61/63 :P
Don't get me wrong, i think that TGB have got the 22 wrong, just joining up 2 routes i don't think is a good idea. Think they would have been better, as someone else has said, looking at old routes that no longer exist and see if there is potential there.
I think potential routes to launch/relaunch would be the old 44 restoring several South Birmingham links or even the old 35. I really liked TGB at first with attempts to relaunch ex ludlows routes and the innovative 64 but they seem more focused on competing against diamond now, which is a shame. I think the 97/17 would be worth a try or even trying to bring back the 123 as a lot of links were lost when it was replaced. The old 443 as well?
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 12, 2014, 09:33:47 PM
I think potential routes to launch/relaunch would be the old 44 restoring several South Birmingham links or even the old 35. I really liked TGB at first with attempts to relaunch ex ludlows routes and the innovative 64 but they seem more focused on competing against diamond now, which is a shame. I think the 97/17 would be worth a try or even trying to bring back the 123 as a lot of links were lost when it was replaced. The old 443 as well?
The 123 was a good route used it a lot and had its fair share of loadings :-) the bit between six ways aston and booth street is only served by the 40X now
Quote from: sonic84 on January 11, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
Like everyone else has said, I can't see this being a success at all. There are far better links to all the areas this route will cover and much quicker that being said as well.
If Green Bus wanted to run a route between Birmingham and Merry Hill they would have been far better reintroducing the 258 or something similar as that would restore links to Merry Hill which have been lost.
I agree, the old 258 route would have been much better. The current route seems to take one that already have established operators and generally seem to provide the quickest links between the main points. But yes I would of that a return to a 258 style route via Saltwells, Blackheath then onwards to Birmingham would have been better as there is a missing link there I feel.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 12, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Don't get me wrong, i think that TGB have got the 22 wrong, just joining up 2 routes i don't think is a good idea. Think they would have been better, as someone else has said, looking at old routes that no longer exist and see if there is potential there.
Perhaps worth pointing out... NX 934 didn't originally go to Walsall, they just "joined up 2 routes"
Quote from: Kevin on January 12, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 12, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Don't get me wrong, i think that TGB have got the 22 wrong, just joining up 2 routes i don't think is a good idea. Think they would have been better, as someone else has said, looking at old routes that no longer exist and see if there is potential there.
Perhaps worth pointing out... NX 934 didn't originally go to Walsall, they just "joined up 2 routes"
But wasn't NX's 934 extension joining up two existing services, that would have still been used by existing passengers ? Where as TGB will be joining up two services to form a new route with the existing services still continuing and run at a higher frequency
One would hope that Green Bus have either done their homework and some research before deciding to launch this service, or Centro have suggested it based on passenger feedback.
Either way, it will be interesting to see how TGB fit these journeys in with the NXWM 22 and DIA 002, as both services are currently every 15 minutes, as well as how much they plan to charge.
I suppose we'll just have to see how it pans out for them, and how well they advertise/promote it, to see whether it will become a success or not.
Quote from: Matt on January 09, 2014, 07:31:12 PM
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Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2014, 07:19:16 PM
I presume the NX 22 will be changed/renumbered?
Probably not, why?
Sorry i just reread the fact it will follow the 22 route. I would have thought maybe a variation number could be used such as the 22A as people would possibly get confused if one 22 is going to Bartley Green and the other continues to Merry Hill
I think this is a good move by GB :) But i wonder if the loadings will be any good.
I doubt it, the NX 50 continues beyond the Maypole to Druids Heath. The TGB 22 will continue beyond Bartley Green to Merry Hill. As long as passengers actually read the destination or check the driver I can't see much of a problem.
Well people will see the 22GB and know its going to Merry Hill as its a different company?
Saying that green bus with the NXGreenBuses....
Not the first time Green Bus have operated along an NX Hybrid operated route. The 558 followed the 1 route between Dudley and Wolverhampton
The Green Bus will also compete against the 'green liveried' 002.
I think part of the choice of route, as mentioned earlier in this thread, is to help out with loadings on school services to / from KE Bartley Green. One thing which let Green Bus routes 64, 125 and 558 down was they only ran between 9.30 and 2.30 ish due to school commitments. With the 22 they can run in peak ytimes as well with a small diversion from which they can easily get to / from normal line of route.
They also tried running the 64 in peaks & it was a complete failure.
IMHO TGB would have been better off just running the 002 route rather than waste an extra 2 buses running into the city as has been said before the corridor they have chosen into city isn't a particularly busy one.
Very nice Spectra parked near New Street Station this morning.. about half 11..
I'm actually surprised that TGB aren't running the 22 permanently through to Balmoral Road and then onwards to Merry Hill since this would at least give the people of Kitwell a link to Merry Hill and also there would be no need for the peak time variant since all journeys would run past KE school.
I do believe they will struggle though as had already been said the routes they are competing on have established operators using newer buses.
361 broke down in northfield 640 this morning
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Looks more like a olympian lol
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Looks more like a olympian lol
Errrm, TGB still use all their Olympians as far as I am aware. One of the E-SON Metros?
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
yes probably
one of the older buses sitting there - have seen it in use as a classroom though
no idea when they obtained it
Looks more like a olympian lol
Errrm, TGB still use all their Olympians as far as I am aware. One of the E-SON Metros?
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 06:59:09 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Looks more like a olympian lol
Errrm, TGB still use all their Olympians as far as I am aware. One of the E-SON Metros?
yes probably
one of the older buses sitting there - have seen it in use as a classroom though
no idea when they obtained it
See if you can get a photo next time you see it, even if it's blurred/distant, it will be enough
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 07:07:18 PM
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Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Looks more like a olympian lol
Errrm, TGB still use all their Olympians as far as I am aware. One of the E-SON Metros?
yes probably
one of the older buses sitting there - have seen it in use as a classroom though
no idea when they obtained it
See if you can get a photo next time you see it, even if it's blurred/distant, it will be enough
James Brindley School have a converted bus, I can find no record of Welford Primary having one
Quote from: Tony on January 29, 2014, 07:19:02 PM
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Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 29, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Every day I seem to pass a green bus in welford primary school
Is this the one converted to a mobile classroom? As it has shutters now instead of doors
I went past it today on the 16
It was just sitting there
Where the door used to be there are green shutters
Still in TGB livery
I shall take a picture next time I pass
Is that one of the KGW Tridents?
Looks more like a olympian lol
Errrm, TGB still use all their Olympians as far as I am aware. One of the E-SON Metros?
yes probably
one of the older buses sitting there - have seen it in use as a classroom though
no idea when they obtained it
See if you can get a photo next time you see it, even if it's blurred/distant, it will be enough
James Brindley School have a converted bus, I can find no record of Welford Primary having one
One of there R reg double deckers was trundling along the M40 northbound by jct 15 this afternoon..Was barely moving with a bus full of children doing little above 30mph..Surely a danger. ?
Update: 16 was going too fast but looked at it morclosely and it resembles a metrobus
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 01, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
Update: 16 was going too fast but looked at it morclosely and it resembles a metrobus
It is a Metrobus. 'E458 SON' I think it is
Quote from: John on February 01, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 01, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
Update: 16 was going too fast but looked at it morclosely and it resembles a metrobus
It is a Metrobus. 'E458 SON' I think it is
That is the one with the distinctive smaller upper rear window, if it helps confirm it
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Quote from: John on February 01, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 01, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
Update: 16 was going too fast but looked at it morclosely and it resembles a metrobus
It is a Metrobus. 'E458 SON' I think it is
That is the one with the distinctive smaller upper rear window, if it helps confirm it
You can not see the back from the road (you may if sat on the top deck of the 16), I noticed it was in the school when I was sent out on the 16 to learn the route a few weeks back. If you look hard enough as the 16 goes past, you can see the numberplate (I read it from memory, that's why I'm not sure which it is)
Quote from: John on February 01, 2014, 05:40:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 01, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: John on February 01, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 01, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
Update: 16 was going too fast but looked at it morclosely and it resembles a metrobus
It is a Metrobus. 'E458 SON' I think it is
That is the one with the distinctive smaller upper rear window, if it helps confirm it
You can not see the back from the road (you may if sat on the top deck of the 16), I noticed it was in the school when I was sent out on the 16 to learn the route a few weeks back. If you look hard enough as the 16 goes past, you can see the numberplate (I read it from memory, that's why I'm not sure which it is)
I know exactly where you mean, but haven't been on the 16 for a while so can't quite remember how close to the road it is. Might have to go the slow way to work on monday to have a look
Any more news on the 22 service? Surprised nothing is on their website yet or on NWM.
Quote from: s94 on February 13, 2014, 02:20:39 AM
Any more news on the 22 service? Surprised nothing is on their website yet or on NWM.
Every 30 mins Mon - Sat between 9am & 7pm approx
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 08:27:37 AM
Quote from: s94 on February 13, 2014, 02:20:39 AM
Any more news on the 22 service? Surprised nothing is on their website yet or on NWM.
Every 30 mins Mon - Sat between 9am & 7pm approx
When is the route starting?
Quote from: OH25 on February 13, 2014, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 08:27:37 AM
Quote from: s94 on February 13, 2014, 02:20:39 AM
Any more news on the 22 service? Surprised nothing is on their website yet or on NWM.
Every 30 mins Mon - Sat between 9am & 7pm approx
When is the route starting?
Starts as of 28th February 2014
But when is it going to be officially announced? Is there any promotion activity taking place?
This starts in 15 days time, yet there is nothing on The Green Bus website, and nothing on NWM's service changes page as of yet.
Apart from a registration with VOSA, and some 'insider information' from Matt (which I've already shared on my Facebook page), nobody is going to have any idea about this new service when it starts. Doesn't bode well!
Quote from: Stu on February 13, 2014, 07:46:49 PM
But when is it going to be officially announced? Is there any promotion activity taking place?
This starts in 15 days time, yet there is nothing on The Green Bus website, and nothing on NWM's service changes page as of yet.
Apart from a registration with VOSA, and some 'insider information' from Matt (which I've already shared on my Facebook page), nobody is going to have any idea about this new service when it starts. Doesn't bode well!
Does bode well for Diamond though!
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Quote from: Matt on February 15, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Eh?
Green Bus employees(not drivers)handing out leaflets at Merry Hill,Halesowen and West Bromwich bus stations paying particular attention to drivers they used to work with at other companies......I found it most amusing
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 15, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Eh?
Green Bus employees(not drivers)handing out leaflets at Merry Hill,Halesowen and West Bromwich bus stations paying particular attention to drivers they used to work with at other companies......I found it most amusing
Is that ex-TGB drivers that have been approached or ex-TWM drivers working for TGB doing the approaching?
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 15, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Eh?
Green Bus employees(not drivers)handing out leaflets at Merry Hill,Halesowen and West Bromwich bus stations paying particular attention to drivers they used to work with at other companies......I found it most amusing
Surely Greenbus aren't desperate enough to resort to such measures?
Are they using the same stands as 002 at Halesowen nitromatt?
Quote from: nifty50 on February 15, 2014, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 15, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Eh?
Green Bus employees(not drivers)handing out leaflets at Merry Hill,Halesowen and West Bromwich bus stations paying particular attention to drivers they used to work with at other companies......I found it most amusing
Surely Greenbus aren't desperate enough to resort to such measures?
Are they using the same stands as 002 at Halesowen nitromatt?
I don't know yet, apologies, ask me again on Monday and I might be able to reveal more details
the new timetable for Green Bus 22 route is on Network West Midlands website (timetable section), Daytime is mainly hourly and every 30 minutes in peaks.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 15, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
the new timetable for Green Bus 22 route is on Network West Midlands website (timetable section), Daytime is mainly hourly and every 30 minutes in peaks.
Some of it on the NWM site looks a dogs dinner!!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 15, 2014, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 15, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
the new timetable for Green Bus 22 route is on Network West Midlands website (timetable section), Daytime is mainly hourly and every 30 minutes in peaks.
Some of it on the NWM site looks a dogs dinner!!!
That's being unfair to dogs dinners..
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 15, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
the new timetable for Green Bus 22 route is on Network West Midlands website (timetable section), Daytime is mainly hourly and every 30 minutes in peaks.
Lol diamond and NX really need to start worrying then :P
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 15, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 15, 2014, 05:21:24 PM
Quote from: 4747 on February 15, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 13, 2014, 07:58:20 PM
Patience people, patience. All will soon become clear.
If you can poach enough drivers that is ;)
Eh?
Green Bus employees(not drivers)handing out leaflets at Merry Hill,Halesowen and West Bromwich bus stations paying particular attention to drivers they used to work with at other companies......I found it most amusing
Is that ex-TGB drivers that have been approached or ex-TWM drivers working for TGB doing the approaching?
I would guess several approached diamond drivers as that is where a lot of TGB drivers used to work and then transferred when GWM's school contracts were taken on, certainly I know a couple who jumped ship then
They were ex diamond blokes and seemed to be mostly after Diamond dvrs and a couple of Central Buses dvrs as well
They posted this on their Facebook page yesterday:
QuoteWe are extending our local bus network in the West Midlands rapidly; demand for The Green Bus is also growing quickly in Berkshire and Surrey. In order to help us grow and to meet demand for our product, we have vacancies for outstanding candidates.
Further details are at www.thegreenbus.co.uk/jobs/
Jobs available include:
Operations Manager
Operations Controllers
PHP/MySQL Programmer
Skilled Engineers
PCV Drivers
If you are interested in finding out more about the positions listed, please call 0845 234 2222 or e-mail jobs@thegreenbus.co.uk
So could the 22 be the first of several new routes to be introduced? (Provided they can get the staff!)
Why don't these companies ever put the wage amount down? So annoying. Either way, it seems the School Bus funding has yet to affect TGB if they are expanding at this rate. Or it seems, shall I add!
Looks like the 22 will not serve Spies Lane/Howley Grange Road, instead going straight along Carter's Lane
Why is it not going to Colmore Row nitromatt?
Quote from: nifty50 on February 16, 2014, 02:23:42 PM
Why is it not going to Colmore Row nitromatt?
I was told it was to avoid traffic in the city centre, but personally I don't think it'll make much difference
Quote from: Matt on February 16, 2014, 01:40:46 PM
Looks like the 22 will not serve Spies Lane/Howley Grange Road, instead going straight along Carter's Lane
depending on timings this could be so as it gets to Halesowen in front of the 002 I would think.
the green bus doing the 002 I woundnt expect
Looks like some journeys have over 30 minutes layover in City?
Looked at the new timetable, 3 comments to make
1. B'ham - Merry Hill is not much different in time to 141.
2. The timetable seems to be hourly / half hourly and slightly different Mon - Fri to Saturday. This will cause
confusion as people won't always remember at what point in the day the frequency is half hourly.
3. Terminating at the Town Hall will mean buses leave town empty, people travelling in will probably be reluctant to
use the route as it turns at the Town Hall. When NXWM extended the 10 to Quinton, Tescos they curtailed it to the
Town Hall which virtually killed off the service. The 1 always ran to / from Town Hall almost empty. How did the
X62 / X64 do when they terminated at the Town Hall?
A great idea for a route and I hope it is a success but with changing frequencies and Town Hall terminus it will make success much harder to come by.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on February 17, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
Looked at the new timetable, 3 comments to make
1. B'ham - Merry Hill is not much different in time to 141.
2. The timetable seems to be hourly / half hourly and slightly different Mon - Fri to Saturday. This will cause
confusion as people won't always remember at what point in the day the frequency is half hourly.
3. Terminating at the Town Hall will mean buses leave town empty, people travelling in will probably be reluctant to
use the route as it turns at the Town Hall. When NXWM extended the 10 to Quinton, Tescos they curtailed it to the
Town Hall which virtually killed off the service. The 1 always ran to / from Town Hall almost empty. How did the
X62 / X64 do when they terminated at the Town Hall?
A great idea for a route and I hope it is a success but with changing frequencies and Town Hall terminus it will make success much harder to come by.
This is what confuses me, daytime the buses have plenty of time to go down to Colmore Row, then park up somewhere and then go back to Colmore Row to take up service again. I would have thought Colmore Row would make sense because the NE22 leaves from their and normally picks up a fair few passengers.
Maybe it's to do with the whole 'booking slots' with Centro process that they're trying to avoid? (for city centre terminus stops)
The Colmore Row stops look to me to be pretty full as it is, with all the services that currently go there. Maybe there is no room for the TGB 22 journeys?
In reference to the X62/X64 at Town Hall: You only used to pick up one or two in the Off-Peak, and only slightly more in the Peak. I'm sure B'ham Central Driver can back me up on this. Not a very busy part of Town at all. Well, in comparison to the 900, say.
989 313 464 all still parked in the yard
106 is/was on the 50 today
There are two inaccuracies on the 22 map on the Network West Midlands site.
The 22 will serve Howley Grange Road and Spies Lane, not Carters Lane.
The 22 will not serve Adams Hill and Romsley Road. After Jiggins Lane, it will take a left onto Genners Lane then right onto Field Lane. Service 22S will turn left at the island going up Scotland Lane to serve Five Ways, then return to the island and continue on Field Lane, joining the 002 route. There are approximately 4 22S journeys each schoolday, 2 am journeys and 2 pm journeys. All other 22 journeys will pass straight over the island on Field Lane. (I hope not literally!)
when does it start running Matt? :)
Just realised I have a photo of Spectra 201 with Green Bus 4 years ago!
It spent a short spell on loan in 2010, 2nd photo on this page
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/201.html
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
thanks Matt! The Network West Midland website is very misleading, it says 28 February!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
thanks Matt! The Network West Midland website is very misleading, it says 28 February!
Yes, I cannot see any mention of the 22S on the NWM site either, but I am reliably informed it will start on Mon 3rd
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
thanks Matt! The Network West Midland website is very misleading, it says 28 February!
Yes, I cannot see any mention of the 22S on the NWM site either, but I am reliably informed it will start on Mon 3rd
The timetable is included in the 22 timetable, although the timetable should show virtually every stop is beyond me. :)
Quote from: nifty50 on February 21, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
The registration with VOSA says 28th February though ?
There has been some indecision as to whether it starts on the Monday or Friday, the latest I understand is that it will now start on the Friday
Quote from: Matt on February 21, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 21, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
The registration with VOSA says 28th February though ?
There has been some indecision as to whether it starts on the Monday or Friday, the latest I understand is that it will now start on the Friday
odd day for it to start!
Quote from: Matt on February 21, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 21, 2014, 08:03:29 AM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
when does it start running Matt? :)
3rd of March. :)
The registration with VOSA says 28th February though ?
There has been some indecision as to whether it starts on the Monday or Friday, the latest I understand is that it will now start on the Friday
No publicly for it whatsoever. Very odd
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
Depends on what he was asked to do really. I for one wouldnt be too happy if I told someone to do one thing then they did another because they thought that would be more productive.
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
So are you employed with them now or is it voluntary? That is, presuming you're 16 now?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
So are you employed with them now or is it voluntary? That is, presuming you're 16 now?
Oh no, all voluntary. I don't want to be paid. I just go there to help out, when I can.
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
Indeed. I just find it odd that nobody knows about this new service. Marketing is non existent.. The 22 is a substantial investment / risk for TGG one would presume?
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
Indeed. I just find it odd that nobody knows about this new service. Marketing is non existent.. The 22 is a substantial investment / risk for TGG one would presume?
I am surprised they have not mentioned it on their Facebook/Twitter. I was going to suggest the use of their social media to the sales team, who I was working with, as they have over 1,000 followers on Facebook and over 1,500 on Twitter, but forgot
On the subject of Twitter, does anyone remember the name Rhys Hand? It appears he has taken an interest in an Inspector position at TGB... https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680 (https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680)
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
Indeed. I just find it odd that nobody knows about this new service. Marketing is non existent.. The 22 is a substantial investment / risk for TGG one would presume?
I am surprised they have not mentioned it on their Facebook/Twitter. I was going to suggest the use of their social media to the sales team, who I was working with, as they have over 1,000 followers on Facebook and over 1,500 on Twitter, but forgot
On the subject of Twitter, does anyone remember the name Rhys Hand? It appears he has taken an interest in an Inspector position at TGB... https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680 (https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680)
Thats a bit of a come down, thought he was a director of a bus company or is that history?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 23, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on February 23, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 23, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 22, 2014, 08:59:15 PM
My brother spotted V313KGW on route training in Merry Hill yesterday...
I was going to come with them, but was busy dismantling MoovBoxes...
MoovBoxes?
They are the technology used to provide onboard Wi-Fi and GPS location tracking. Most of them are in the blind boxes
Would it not be more productive to publicise the new 22 service and hand out flyers instead?
There are more than enough people working at TGB to enable more than one thing to be done at once. They know my strengths and weaknesses, and set me tasks to play to them. The job I was doing was certainly productive as, when finished, will save the company a considerable amount of money
Indeed. I just find it odd that nobody knows about this new service. Marketing is non existent.. The 22 is a substantial investment / risk for TGG one would presume?
I am surprised they have not mentioned it on their Facebook/Twitter. I was going to suggest the use of their social media to the sales team, who I was working with, as they have over 1,000 followers on Facebook and over 1,500 on Twitter, but forgot
On the subject of Twitter, does anyone remember the name Rhys Hand? It appears he has taken an interest in an Inspector position at TGB... https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680 (https://twitter.com/RhysHand/status/434072603188551680)
Thats a bit of a come down, thought he was a director of a bus company or is that history?
He still claims to be. He must be quite good at multi-tasking.
Maybe he's actually a woman? ;)
Well you had 6013 who was supposedly a girl!
Back on topic. Some may be interested to learn that, whilst Tridents will be the main allocation for the 22, due to its curtailment at the Town Hall anything in the fleet may be used where required, yes that includes step entrance Spectras and Olympians
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
Back on topic. Some may be interested to learn that, whilst Tridents will be the main allocation for the 22, due to its curtailment at the Town Hall anything in the fleet may be used where required, yes that includes step entrance Spectras and Olympians
Thats interesting news Matt, it will be good to see TGB operating in the Black Country, i just hope that it is a successful venture.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 23, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
Back on topic. Some may be interested to learn that, whilst Tridents will be the main allocation for the 22, due to its curtailment at the Town Hall anything in the fleet may be used where required, yes that includes step entrance Spectras and Olympians
Thats interesting news Matt, it will be good to see TGB operating in the Black Country, i just hope that it is a successful venture.
So do I, it's an extra service for me! A new direct link to Harborne from my doorstep
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
Back on topic. Some may be interested to learn that, whilst Tridents will be the main allocation for the 22, due to its curtailment at the Town Hall anything in the fleet may be used where required, yes that includes step entrance Spectras and Olympians
Thats interesting to hear :) Thanks :) Was going to ask about allocations but you've already answered it in the post
Quote from: Nathan on February 23, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
Back on topic. Some may be interested to learn that, whilst Tridents will be the main allocation for the 22, due to its curtailment at the Town Hall anything in the fleet may be used where required, yes that includes step entrance Spectras and Olympians
Thats interesting to hear :) Thanks :) Was going to ask about allocations but you've already answered it in the post
The first I heard was that 108-113 would be intended for the 22, but it is likely anything from 108-122 (excluding 121) will be used
Does that mean 101-107 won't be allocated whatsover or will any of these cover on the route?
Quote from: Nathan on February 23, 2014, 10:27:33 PM
Does that mean 101-107 won't be allocated whatsover or will any of these cover on the route?
101-107 are kept off public service where possible, particularly 101-105, as they are first choice for private hire after Olympians, as they have seatbelts
Yes of course they may cover at some point, it depends what's available, one cannot predict it. 106 got onto the 50 earlier this week, well it lasted half a day before arriving back at the garage with a dent in the corner!
Wouldn't mind seeing a spectra on there...especially if a wolverhampton spectra appears in merry hill and parks up alongside it...
Out on the 22 again this morning, in 113. "BUS 22" was on the display.
Also, bus stop flags are being changed this morning. Just seen them doing Spies lane about 8:45, working their way towards Halesowen, I think.
Quote from: N94 on February 24, 2014, 09:16:47 AM
Out on the 22 again this morning, in 113. "BUS 22" was on the display.
Also, bus stop flags are being changed this morning. Just seen them doing Spies lane about 8:45, working their way towards Halesowen, I think.
111 went along Manor Way at around 08:20 displaying 22 Merry Hill (in inverse LEDs). 113 also went down Manor Way about 09:00 displaying as you say Bus 22
They're running a free service this week and half price fares in March. Was speaking to a driver at the town hall who thought it was a 15 min service as per the leaflet and said it was a nice route. Some of the buses have had the destinations programmed while out in service
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on February 24, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
They're running a free service this week and half price fares in March. Was speaking to a driver at the town hall who thought it was a 15 min service as per the leaflet and said it was a nice route. Some of the buses have had the destinations programmed while out in service
The 22 should not be operating until Friday!
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2014, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on February 24, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
They're running a free service this week and half price fares in March. Was speaking to a driver at the town hall who thought it was a 15 min service as per the leaflet and said it was a nice route. Some of the buses have had the destinations programmed while out in service
The 22 should not be operating until Friday!
probably why it's free an not full service
Didn't Central Buses operate a service for free ahead of it's starting registration date?
I think this could be useful for them, maybe customise the LED display to promote this is a new service.
At least the info is now up on their website:
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/
Info now on Network West Midlands website although it seems it was only updated on Friday to say the service began week commencing Sunday 23 February.
The timetable has already been amended because of departures slot at Halesowen & Merry Hill bus station, and a "Route Variation" in Bartley Green has been corrected.
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2014, 03:02:08 PM
Didn't Central Buses operate a service for free ahead of it's starting registration date?
I think this could be useful for them, maybe customise the LED display to promote this is a new service.
At least the info is now up on their website:
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/
Yep
and Midland Classic also :)
X12 and 92 respectivly
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 24, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2014, 03:02:08 PM
Didn't Central Buses operate a service for free ahead of it's starting registration date?
I think this could be useful for them, maybe customise the LED display to promote this is a new service.
At least the info is now up on their website:
http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/
Yep
and Midland Classic also :)
X12 and 92 respectivly
As did Diamond on the 301
112, 113 & 118 were all on the 22 today. I saw 113 and an ALX400 almost in convoy on Manor Way, 113 was a 22E to Halesowen.
I have given up trying to catch one until Friday, I always end up stood at my bus stop for an eternity, no idea if they are running to a timetable or what...
Quote from: Matt on February 25, 2014, 05:57:41 PM
112, 113 & 118 were all on the 22 today. I saw 113 and an ALX400 almost in convoy on Manor Way, 113 was a 22E to Halesowen.
I have given up trying to catch one until Friday, I always end up stood at my bus stop for an eternity, no idea if they are running to a timetable or what...
The Green Bus posted this comment on my Facebook page today:
QuoteWe have drivers out on the road this week route learning and offering passengers free travel, but we aren't operating a full service. The service starts in full on Friday 28th February. We'll have some great travel offers so watch this space!
An olympian just left merry hill with
Birmingham 22
**Free Bus**
On the display, no passengers got on it though.
Quote from: Andrew on February 26, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
An olympian just left merry hill with
Birmingham 22
**Free Bus**
On the display, no passengers got on it though.
Which type?
Quote from: Matt on February 26, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: Andrew on February 26, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
An olympian just left merry hill with
Birmingham 22
**Free Bus**
On the display, no passengers got on it though.
Which type?
didn't get the fleet number but it was like 904, 907 & 929
Having looked at the 22 timetable it looks a bit nonsensical in that you've got journeys running as one number on weekdays (0907 arrival at merry hill according to the green bus site being a fw1??) which one will presume one won't be able to use a nbus? Unless it runs as a 22 which means the timetable is nonsensical.
Also 4 minutes to do Colley Gate to Merry Hill on that trip? What's being used - a formula1 car? Even NXWM wouldn't be able to manage that!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 26, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Having looked at the 22 timetable it looks a bit nonsensical in that you've got journeys running as one number on weekdays (0907 arrival at merry hill according to the green bus site being a fw1??) which one will presume one won't be able to use a nbus? Unless it runs as a 22 which means the timetable is nonsensical.
Also 4 minutes to do Colley Gate to Merry Hill on that trip? What's being used - a formula1 car? Even NXWM wouldn't be able to manage that!!
You could do it in 4 minutes, in a car, with some speeding, without stopping for the traffic lights...
That one does have a 17 min dropback in MH though.
Quote from: Matt on February 26, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 26, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Having looked at the 22 timetable it looks a bit nonsensical in that you've got journeys running as one number on weekdays (0907 arrival at merry hill according to the green bus site being a fw1??) which one will presume one won't be able to use a nbus? Unless it runs as a 22 which means the timetable is nonsensical.
Also 4 minutes to do Colley Gate to Merry Hill on that trip? What's being used - a formula1 car? Even NXWM wouldn't be able to manage that!!
You could do it in 4 minutes, in a car, with some speeding, without stopping for the traffic lights...
That one does have a 17 min dropback in MH though.
Depending if there's a space to lay over of course!
Quote from: Andrew on February 26, 2014, 11:58:33 AM
An olympian just left merry hill with
Birmingham 22
**Free Bus**
On the display, no passengers got on it though.
Free bus lol! Bet the 141 picked up!
101 on the 22 today
Quote from: Matt on February 26, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 26, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Having looked at the 22 timetable it looks a bit nonsensical in that you've got journeys running as one number on weekdays (0907 arrival at merry hill according to the green bus site being a fw1??) which one will presume one won't be able to use a nbus? Unless it runs as a 22 which means the timetable is nonsensical.
Also 4 minutes to do Colley Gate to Merry Hill on that trip? What's being used - a formula1 car? Even NXWM wouldn't be able to manage that!!
You could do it in 4 minutes, in a car, with some speeding, without stopping for the traffic lights...
That one does have a 17 min dropback in MH though.
Even then it's a bit of a struggle (I know only 1 person who's done it but there again he ended up infront of the boss to explain himself!!). But going back to the question. Will it be running as the green bus site as a fw1 service or as the network site as a 22
It'll start as a 22 and change to FW1, not sure where
Forgot to mention, if anyone needs a photo of the repainted Dart, it's on the 50 today.
Seen a couple of rammed 22's today, had to think twice before realising they were school boards!
Well, even though the green bus website timetable states that the 1654 ex merry hill is a fw1, we departed merry hill as a 22. So it looks like I'm using the Centro site now for accuracy
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 28, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Well, even though the green bus website timetable states that the 1654 ex merry hill is a fw1, we departed merry hill as a 22. So it looks like I'm using the Centro site now for accuracy
I'm currently sat on the 1654 ex Merry Hill! Brings back memories sitting on 107 again.
are the non school boards carrying anyone ? I saw 4 buses in Harborne today - all empty
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 28, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Well, even though the green bus website timetable states that the 1654 ex merry hill is a fw1, we departed merry hill as a 22. So it looks like I'm using the Centro site now for accuracy
Regarding the journeys marked on the timetable on the website as 'FW1':
QuoteFW1 On Schooldays serves King Edward VI Five Ways School and runs 5 mins later thereafter
Quote from: nifty50 on February 28, 2014, 05:51:28 PM
are the non school boards carrying anyone ? I saw 4 buses in Harborne today - all empty
I just did a trip into the city from Halesowen and back on 107, fairly decent loadings actually, say about 25 on the way in and 10 on the way out
107, 108, 110, 111, 112, 113, 120 all on 22's today
My 107 was running in convoy with 108 on the way back from city
Quote from: trident4370 on February 28, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
Forgot to mention, if anyone needs a photo of the repainted Dart, it's on the 50 today.
Does this meet the SQP criteria for a frequent bus service?
Quote from: nifty50 on February 28, 2014, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on February 28, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
Forgot to mention, if anyone needs a photo of the repainted Dart, it's on the 50 today.
Does this meet the SQP criteria for a frequent bus service?
It's low floor but Euro 2, so unless it's been modified like the Euro 2 Tridents, then I doubt it, although it was used on the 50 on a daily basis not so long ago
Have just got back from Harborne and have seen one of TGB's 22's travelling up the High Street towards Merry Hill. Looks as if the service is still free today as the destination display of the one I'd seen had the scrolling "free bus" on the display. Plenty of passengers on the bottom deck. Not sure if the Town Hall will work as a terminus and if the route is successful going into Colmore Row may be a better bet.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on March 01, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
Have just got back from Harborne and have seen one of TGB's 22's travelling up the High Street towards Merry Hill. Looks as if the service is still free today as the destination display of the one I'd seen had the scrolling "free bus" on the display. Plenty of passengers on the bottom deck. Not sure if the Town Hall will work as a terminus and if the route is successful going into Colmore Row may be a better bet.
Yes, today is the final day of free service
Rode the 1124 Merry Hill to City about 12 - 15 people into and out of Halesowen and about the same coming into Birmingham.
The publicity leaflet says the frequency from Monday is every 15 minutes!
With respect to SQP in the City Centre the Town Hall falls outside this requirement.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 02, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
Rode the 1124 Merry Hill to City about 12 - 15 people into and out of Halesowen and about the same coming into Birmingham.
The publicity leaflet says the frequency from Monday is every 15 minutes!
With respect to SQP in the City Centre the Town Hall falls outside this requirement.
The TGB website shows the timetable as every hour off peak and half hour peak.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 02, 2014, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 02, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
Rode the 1124 Merry Hill to City about 12 - 15 people into and out of Halesowen and about the same coming into Birmingham.
The publicity leaflet says the frequency from Monday is every 15 minutes!
With respect to SQP in the City Centre the Town Hall falls outside this requirement.
The TGB website shows the timetable as every hour off peak and half hour peak.
That's what I thought. I commented on this to the driver. He said he thought it was every half hour but with the number of new drivers recruited and route trained it will probably be every 15 minutes. The timetable on the website could be a temporary one for the free service.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 02, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 02, 2014, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 02, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
Rode the 1124 Merry Hill to City about 12 - 15 people into and out of Halesowen and about the same coming into Birmingham.
The publicity leaflet says the frequency from Monday is every 15 minutes!
With respect to SQP in the City Centre the Town Hall falls outside this requirement.
The TGB website shows the timetable as every hour off peak and half hour peak.
That's what I thought. I commented on this to the driver. He said he thought it was every half hour but with the number of new drivers recruited and route trained it will probably be every 15 minutes. The timetable on the website could be a temporary one for the free service.
The timetable in my bus stop says its hourly as well, I'm sure the valid from date at the top was some time in March
(I think it was the 20-something'th - I remember questioning why it said the end of March when the service actually started at the end of February). I could be wrong about the date, though. I'll have another look when I go out tomorrow.
EDIT: It's actually the 9th March. I have a photo if anyone thinks it's worth uploading, but a summary of the timetable is:
Mon-Fri
6-8am - 2 journeys, e.g. 0652, 0722 from my stop
8-9am - approx. every 15 mins (with an extra term-time journey)
9-10am - Half-hourly
10am-2pm - Hourly
2-7pm - Half-hourly
Sat - as above but every 20 mins 8-9am
Spectra 201 on the 22 this morning I think
On a side note, 201 has recently returned from Lincolnshire being the first Spectra to be fitted with seatbelts
Spectra 206 was this afternoon's FW7 so presumably had done a 22
452 (the Lance) is out on rail replacement on the New St - Wolves line tonight
Also, one of the NK51 Tridents is being prepared for some kind of overall wrap
204 on the 22 today
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
204 on the 22 today
Has anyone seen what the loadings are like on the 22? As I saw a Trident leave Merry Hill at about 4pm yesterday in front of an 002 & it only had 2 passengers on board
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
204 on the 22 today
Has anyone seen what the loadings are like on the 22? As I saw a Trident leave Merry Hill at about 4pm yesterday in front of an 002 & it only had 2 passengers on board
They were quite busy last week when it was free, but now, despite being considerably cheaper than Diamond/NX, it seems to be falling out of favour.
Did you see how many got on the 002 behind?
This was posted on my Facebook page yesterday by Jason Kelly:
QuoteWent on the 22(TGB) today. Should have left Brum at 1735, but left six mins late. Arrived at Merry Hill nine mins late. Nobody else got on the bus apart from me. I wonder if it will prove successful or not
Just needs a bit more promotion. Once more people are aware of this route's existence, and that cash fares are cheaper than NX & Diamond, it might start to take off.
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
204 on the 22 today
Has anyone seen what the loadings are like on the 22? As I saw a Trident leave Merry Hill at about 4pm yesterday in front of an 002 & it only had 2 passengers on board
They were quite busy last week when it was free, but now, despite being considerably cheaper than Diamond/NX, it seems to be falling out of favour.
Did you see how many got on the 002 behind?
No sorry, was walking back to my car when TGB Trident went past
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 04, 2014, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 04, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
204 on the 22 today
Has anyone seen what the loadings are like on the 22? As I saw a Trident leave Merry Hill at about 4pm yesterday in front of an 002 & it only had 2 passengers on board
They were quite busy last week when it was free, but now, despite being considerably cheaper than Diamond/NX, it seems to be falling out of favour.
Did you see how many got on the 002 behind?
Personally I am glad so far that NX and Diamond are holding their own on the 22/002. I am really not surprised though as both routes have a fair proportion of pass holders, whether it be NX travelcards or the Diamond Week ticket which a lot of people seem to have in the Black Country. Bizarre... no one really seems to know the timetable and I am just surprised TGB haven't really used any marketing strategy at all.
Having said that, 2 passengers leaving Merry Hill is appalling-the -004 once an hour gets considerably more than that!
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
The fares are an introductory offer, not a 'gimmick'. Even the full fare day, week and month tickets will still be considerably cheaper than Diamond and NX.
YJ51 EKF which we passed a couple of times doesn't look too modern to me. That's the magic of TGB, despite being 13+ years old, the unsuspecting passenger would not know the age difference between their Tridents and a B7RLE, let alone a knackered DAF... I'm limited as to what I should say on a public forum, but I do not think Diamond set a particularly high standard of competition
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
The fares are an introductory offer, not a 'gimmick'. Even the full fare day, week and month tickets will still be considerably cheaper than Diamond and NX.
YJ51 EKF which we passed a couple of times doesn't look too modern to me. That's the magic of TGB, despite being 13+ years old, the unsuspecting passenger would not know the age difference between their Tridents and a B7RLE, let alone a knackered DAF... I'm limited as to what I should say on a public forum, but I do not think Diamond set a particularly high standard of competition
I'm sorry but an "introductory offer" must be the definition of a gimmick: a cheap one off that won't last long. That is 1 out of the 6 buses on the 002, the same age as TGB's newest vehicles and I can assure you YJ51EKF is the one of the best DAFs and hasn't been knackered in London like TGB's tridents. I think the average passenger could work out a b7rle/centro is newer than a cold, damp ex London decker...!
In other news, a TGB decker will be put into a vinyl livery for KEFW and is being prepared for it.
Diamond do have newer buses than TGB, but I will side with Matt on the fact that the average passenger wouldn't really be able to tell that a trident is that much older than a b7.
To me it just seems that double Deckers age slower than single Deckers in the passengers eyes & I think that is a true fact I mean what lasted longer & aged better metrobuses or mk 2 nationals.
The one thing diamond do not do well is compete, they have lost a lot of head to head competative routes & much smaller operators have had quite a lot of success against them.
Time for diamond to up their game?
Its one of the NK51's being prepared for a wrap advert
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
Diamond do have newer buses than TGB, but I will side with Matt on the fact that the average passenger wouldn't really be able to tell that a trident is that much older than a b7.
To me it just seems that double Deckers age slower than single Deckers in the passengers eyes & I think that is a true fact I mean what lasted longer & aged better metrobuses or mk 2 nationals.
The one thing diamond do not do well is compete, they have lost a lot of head to head competative routes & much smaller operators have had quite a lot of success against them.
Time for diamond to up their game?
I think they need too, the 002 is an important route for Diamond. they need to fight back against TGB before they establish a customer base.
Diamond have never been as aggressive at competing as BCC used to be, the number of direct competing routes against NX has fallen dramatically over the years..... yet others like Claribels have gone from strength to strength
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
The fares are an introductory offer, not a 'gimmick'. Even the full fare day, week and month tickets will still be considerably cheaper than Diamond and NX.
YJ51 EKF which we passed a couple of times doesn't look too modern to me. That's the magic of TGB, despite being 13+ years old, the unsuspecting passenger would not know the age difference between their Tridents and a B7RLE, let alone a knackered DAF... I'm limited as to what I should say on a public forum, but I do not think Diamond set a particularly high standard of competition
I'm sorry but an "introductory offer" must be the definition of a gimmick: a cheap one off that won't last long. That is 1 out of the 6 buses on the 002, the same age as TGB's newest vehicles and I can assure you YJ51EKF is the one of the best DAFs and hasn't been knackered in London like TGB's tridents. I think the average passenger could work out a b7rle/centro is newer than a cold, damp ex London decker...!
In other news, a TGB decker will be put into a vinyl livery for KEFW and is being prepared for it.
I'm not sure you entirely know what you're talking about, I can assure you TGB's deckers are not cold or damp. Some Tridents are seatbelted and all are comfortable and clean. Not forgetting their extra deck, too. As I already said, all tickets other than single fares will remain considerably better value than Diamond/NX.
I was wondering how long until somebody found out about the vinyl wrap. It's an NK51 Trident, 112 I think.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
Diamond do have newer buses than TGB, but I will side with Matt on the fact that the average passenger wouldn't really be able to tell that a trident is that much older than a b7.
To me it just seems that double Deckers age slower than single Deckers in the passengers eyes & I think that is a true fact I mean what lasted longer & aged better metrobuses or mk 2 nationals.
The one thing diamond do not do well is compete, they have lost a lot of head to head competative routes & much smaller operators have had quite a lot of success against them.
Time for diamond to up their game?
But surely the winner in all this is the passenger, they have gained additional services between Birmingham & Woodgate & between Woodgate & Halesowen/Merry Hill. That can only be good.
Personally i think that Diamond do compete well with other companies, look at services like 4/4H & 226. Only saw a Diamond 4H heading out of Halesowen on Monday Lunchtime towards Walsall and there must have been 30 people on it, i don't remember the 417 doing that well when they ran it and now of course NE run the 4H to.
With the 226, now that Diamond run every a 15 minute frequency with Hanson, you tend to see buses equally loaded. Once again people on the 226 route benefit from an improved service.
Going to catch a 22 from Merry Hill on Friday and take it all the way to Birmingham, see what the loadings are like?
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
The fares are an introductory offer, not a 'gimmick'. Even the full fare day, week and month tickets will still be considerably cheaper than Diamond and NX.
YJ51 EKF which we passed a couple of times doesn't look too modern to me. That's the magic of TGB, despite being 13+ years old, the unsuspecting passenger would not know the age difference between their Tridents and a B7RLE, let alone a knackered DAF... I'm limited as to what I should say on a public forum, but I do not think Diamond set a particularly high standard of competition
TGB's offering is very appealing to the corridor it is serving. Whilst the 002 branding was good, it seems it is touched up with any type of green, bits of window branding is missing, dented skirts and reliability issues. The TGB service i caught today was on time, had no skirt damage and had a friendly driver who greeted you on entry. Whilst their priority is schools and therefore the service suffers in the peaks (where the day ticket may lose its appeal), but otherwise it seems a great job.
They're also making good use of their blinds to display promo fares, one thing that Diamond were good at...
Matt, people knew about the vinyl wrap on the 11* trident as you posted it further up in the thread.....
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Matt, people knew about the vinyl wrap on the 11* trident as you posted it further up in the thread.....
Sorry, officer. I'm turning a little senile in my old age.
In my defence, I was adding that I'm 99% sure it's 112. I'm reliably informed it's actually 113...
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Matt, people knew about the vinyl wrap on the 11* trident as you posted it further up in the thread.....
Sorry, officer. I'm turning a little senile in my old age.
In my defence, I was adding that I'm 99% sure it's 112.
Did anyone see which buses were on the 22 today? :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
Diamond do have newer buses than TGB, but I will side with Matt on the fact that the average passenger wouldn't really be able to tell that a trident is that much older than a b7.
To me it just seems that double Deckers age slower than single Deckers in the passengers eyes & I think that is a true fact I mean what lasted longer & aged better metrobuses or mk 2 nationals.
The one thing diamond do not do well is compete, they have lost a lot of head to head competative routes & much smaller operators have had quite a lot of success against them.
Time for diamond to up their game?
But surely the winner in all this is the passenger, they have gained additional services between Birmingham & Woodgate & between Woodgate & Halesowen/Merry Hill. That can only be good.
Personally i think that Diamond do compete well with other companies, look at services like 4/4H & 226. Only saw a Diamond 4H heading out of Halesowen on Monday Lunchtime towards Walsall and there must have been 30 people on it, i don't remember the 417 doing that well when they ran it and now of course NE run the 4H to.
With the 226, now that Diamond run every a 15 minute frequency with Hanson, you tend to see buses equally loaded. Once again people on the 226 route benefit from an improved service.
Going to catch a 22 from Merry Hill on Friday and take it all the way to Birmingham, see what the loadings are like?
The branded buses on the 226 have really had it though now. Going up Tiled House Lane and Rangeways Road 16 hours a day 7 days a week isn't the softest of rounds. Other than that the 226 has improved over the new year.
Re: the 226. Diamond split the headway with hansons because when they were head to head they were getting the ass kicked. Yes the 4h can carry some good loads but when it was Pete's 404E their takings were much healthier & more buses with these better loads.
Diamond could be so much better & profitable if only simon would stop holding back so much & just go for it like his brother Scott has done with your bus.
To be fair to Simon he had his fingers burned badly with the 37 35E &126 then lost a lot of ground on the 904 & 97 which is probably why he is so hesitant at head to head stuff now. But that is really down to lazy central connect drivers in a couple of cases & poor route choices in others. I don't think his management team is hungry enough & adept enough for the real fight that's needed to develop a competative business.
In the case of claribels going from strength to strength, I'd hardly call staying on the same 3 routes since time immemorial going from strength to strength & the only time they tried a new route the 57 all those years ago it was a COMPLETE FAILURE
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
Matt, people knew about the vinyl wrap on the 11* trident as you posted it further up in the thread.....
Sorry, officer. I'm turning a little senile in my old age.
In my defence, I was adding that I'm 99% sure it's 112.
Don't take that tone with me! Was just pinpointing something that you said which was incorrect (Which you are guilty of yourself)
Anyway moving on did anyone see which buses were on the 22 today? :)
I don't remember saying anything incorrect.
110, 111, 115, 117, 122, 123.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
Re: the 226. Diamond split the headway with hansons because when they were head to head they were getting the ass kicked. Yes the 4h can carry some good loads but when it was Pete's 404E their takings were much healthier & more buses with these better loads.
Diamond could be so much better & profitable if only simon would stop holding back so much & just go for it like his brother Scott has done with your bus.
To be fair to Simon he had his fingers burned badly with the 37 35E &126 then lost a lot of ground on the 904 & 97 which is probably why he is so hesitant at head to head stuff now. But that is really down to lazy central connect drivers in a couple of cases & poor route choices in others. I don't think his management team is hungry enough & adept enough for the real fight that's needed to develop a competative business.
In the case of claribels going from strength to strength, I'd hardly call staying on the same 3 routes since time immemorial going from strength to strength & the only time they tried a new route the 57 all those years ago it was a COMPLETE FAILURE
Steve if you were in Simon's shoes, seeing what Hansons offering is on the 226 (02 Reg Midi's), what would you allocate, go all out and go one better?
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
Its one of the NK51's being prepared for a wrap advert
It is not 112 as that was on the 50 today
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
Its one of the NK51's being prepared for a wrap advert
It is not 112 as that was on the 50 today
Yes, I've been reliably informed it's actually 113. Like I said, I'm going senile... ;)
I'd go all out with wright b7s & a low fare gimmick/offer (whatever you want to call it).
Put the buses back just in front of hansons & put my best drivers on it. It would take literally weeks before hansons started to really hurt & have to consider their next move "probably withdrawal".
If you want to be successful don't fanny about against your competitor be ruthless & just bully them about.
If hansons didn't withdraw after a month or so then double the frequency & run the 226 every 15 mins really starving hansons of passengers.
That was the line I took against diamond with AM PM on the 71 Sunday service. Run just in front with my most competative drivers & best darts I had (yes I know darts against centros, but it's all I had.)
When diamond didn't withdraw I registered every half our 71 sutton to Solihull inter working with a 71E every half hour chelmsley wood to Solihull. That gave us a 15 min service along the busiest section of route against diamonds 30 frequency. There was no way diamond wanted to fight that.
In fact not even NXWM wanted to compete with that when they introduced the 72 on Sundays they chose not to run beyond chelmsley until after the AMPM downfall & the 71 returning to half hourly frequency with diamond.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
I'd go all out with wright b7s & a low fare gimmick/offer (whatever you want to call it).
Put the buses back just in front of hansons & put my best drivers on it. It would take literally weeks before hansons started to really hurt & have to consider their next move "probably withdrawal".
If you want to be successful don't fanny about against your competitor be ruthless & just bully them about.
If hansons didn't withdraw after a month or so then double the frequency & run the 226 every 15 mins really starving hansons of passengers.
That was the line I took against diamond with AM PM on the 71 Sunday service. Run just in front with my most competative drivers & best darts I had (yes I know darts against centros, but it's all I had.)
When diamond didn't withdraw I registered every half our 71 sutton to Solihull inter working with a 71E every half hour chelmsley wood to Solihull. That gave us a 15 min service along the busiest section of route against diamonds 30 frequency. There was no way diamond wanted to fight that.
In fact not even NXWM wanted to compete with that when they introduced the 72 on Sundays they chose not to run beyond chelmsley until after the AMPM downfall & the 71 returning to half hourly frequency with diamond.
They would not be allowed to put there buses back in front of Hansons, am sure that Centro stopped them the last time.
Centro could not stop them if they wanted to do it. It is upto the operator to choose their commercial timetable not the authority.
Last time centro I believe acted as a "peace keeper" to try & get the best result for the passengers, which was a joint 15 min frequency. My plan would be to give centro what they want a 15 min frequency, but do it myself without hansons buses taken into account.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
I'd go all out with wright b7s & a low fare gimmick/offer (whatever you want to call it).
Put the buses back just in front of hansons & put my best drivers on it. It would take literally weeks before hansons started to really hurt & have to consider their next move "probably withdrawal".
If you want to be successful don't fanny about against your competitor be ruthless & just bully them about.
If hansons didn't withdraw after a month or so then double the frequency & run the 226 every 15 mins really starving hansons of passengers.
That was the line I took against diamond with AM PM on the 71 Sunday service. Run just in front with my most competative drivers & best darts I had (yes I know darts against centros, but it's all I had.)
When diamond didn't withdraw I registered every half our 71 sutton to Solihull inter working with a 71E every half hour chelmsley wood to Solihull. That gave us a 15 min service along the busiest section of route against diamonds 30 frequency. There was no way diamond wanted to fight that.
In fact not even NXWM wanted to compete with that when they introduced the 72 on Sundays they chose not to run beyond chelmsley until after the AMPM downfall & the 71 returning to half hourly frequency with diamond.
Thanks, the gung ho technique as you have explained, works either as the big man or little man for either side.(It appeared NX flooded the 246 when AMPM were on it, as well as the 9 when Diamond were on that.
I'm surprised either Hansons or Diamond haven't registered a 226E going Merry Hill - Kford only inbetween their 30 min departures so they coincided with the other op, as it would only use 2 buses and take some custom from the other op. Custom from Kford to Dudley seems to be patchy.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:20:12 PM
Re: the 226. Diamond split the headway with hansons because when they were head to head they were getting the ass kicked. Yes the 4h can carry some good loads but when it was Pete's 404E their takings were much healthier & more buses with these better loads.
Diamond could be so much better & profitable if only simon would stop holding back so much & just go for it like his brother Scott has done with your bus.
To be fair to Simon he had his fingers burned badly with the 37 35E &126 then lost a lot of ground on the 904 & 97 which is probably why he is so hesitant at head to head stuff now. But that is really down to lazy central connect drivers in a couple of cases & poor route choices in others. I don't think his management team is hungry enough & adept enough for the real fight that's needed to develop a competative business.
In the case of claribels going from strength to strength, I'd hardly call staying on the same 3 routes since time immemorial going from strength to strength & the only time they tried a new route the 57 all those years ago it was a COMPLETE FAILURE
Re: Claribels, I was referring to the quality of the operation not their size, they seem pretty happy with the size of operation that they have including the Birmingham International Coaches business. They regularly invest in new vehicles annually and now have a very modern fleet with a low average age. Also NX don't seem to be too bothered by them & seem fairly happy to co exist on the routes Claribels compete on
That certainly give whoever did that an advantage, as the bus that's a k'ford could just sit & wait for its target to appear in the distance then head off & take his passengers.
I learned the gung-ho approach from Kevin jones at Pete's travel, who used it to their advantage pretty much across the network. Kevin always said match them bus for bus. I tookit a step further by trying to outnumber the competition if possible & reduce the fares giving the passenger little choice but to catch our buses. We beat TWM several times with that approach markedly the night service where the 9N "arguably the busiest" was increased to every 15 mins at one point. Together with the full on attack on the 50 & 97 something had to give & it did. Pete's withdrew the 50 & strangely at the same time TWM withdrew ALL night buses in birmingham.
Now of course as you have pointed out NX use those tactics of dominate & control to attempt to smash the competition. If that happens you have to hold on & fight back. Not sit back & give up.
Simon held on in redditch "ok first ain't the best competitior" but for his troubles rotala now have control of redditch.
How long befor Ian Mack & TGB come calling in redditch.
That's what I'd do.
Steve,
If those tactics were so successful at Pete's Travel/People's Express, how come at the time of sale to Go-Ahead Group Plc Probus Management only made £118k profit on a turnover of £9.1 Million up to the year ending Dec 2004 i.e. a 1.3% profit margin?
http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=633&categoryid=0
You have to remember mr jones had his gingers in a lot of pies so to speak with a lot of ltd companies. Peoples express ltd lion speed ltd pro bus ltd Pete's travel ltd county bus ltd greyhound management services ltd Britannia travel ltd.
I won't say any more , you work it out & come to your own conclusions.
What I will say is if it wasn't successful how did they afford brand new tridents.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 10:02:30 PM
... match them bus for bus. I took it a step further by trying to outnumber the competition if possible & reduce the fares giving the passenger little choice but to catch our buses.
How long before Ian Mack & TGB come calling in redditch.
That's what I'd do.
I have never worked in the bus industry, but I know that "match them bus for bus" is a sound and usually necessary strategy in a bus competition situation (although North Birmingham Busways showed that does not always have to be the case). Stagecoach for example have used it in many parts of the country, such as North Devon and South Queensferry.
BUT ... for a smallish operator like TGB it sounds like a high risk strategy to me. Surely you need deep pockets to withstand the losses you will make until you win (assuming you do)? And very deep pockets indeed if you compete on several fronts?
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
You have to remember mr jones had his gingers in a lot of pies so to speak with a lot of ltd companies. Peoples express ltd lion speed ltd pro bus ltd Pete's travel ltd county bus ltd greyhound management services ltd Britannia travel ltd.
I won't say any more , you work it out & come to your own conclusions.
What I will say is if it wasn't successful how did they afford brand new tridents.
Yes, I'm aware it doesn't pay due to tax liabilities for your limited company to show it's earning large profits.
Fair point with the Tridents, but at the same time weren't they operating a large fleet ex London General Citybuses which looked pretty battered in the finish, many of which had paper route numbers in the windscreen
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 10:22:52 PM
You have to remember mr jones had his gingers in a lot of pies so to speak with a lot of ltd companies. Peoples express ltd lion speed ltd pro bus ltd Pete's travel ltd county bus ltd greyhound management services ltd Britannia travel ltd.
I won't say any more , you work it out & come to your own conclusions.
What I will say is if it wasn't successful how did they afford brand new tridents.
They didn't! Those Tridents were never paid for, that is why they went!
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
I'd go all out with wright b7s & a low fare gimmick/offer (whatever you want to call it).
Put the buses back just in front of hansons & put my best drivers on it. It would take literally weeks before hansons started to really hurt & have to consider their next move "probably withdrawal".
If you want to be successful don't fanny about against your competitor be ruthless & just bully them about.
If hansons didn't withdraw after a month or so then double the frequency & run the 226 every 15 mins really starving hansons of passengers.
So basically you're suggesting doing a Cardiff Bus then...the OfT would be pleased :-)
In fact couldn't it be a potential breach of S18(1) of the Competition Act 1998 (The 1998 Act.). This could be as per the Cardiff case. The 1998 Act herein states that Subject to section 19, any conduct on the part of one or more undertakings which amounts to the abuse of a dominant position in a market is prohibited if it may affect trade within the United Kingdom. (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/41/section/18)
Quote from: bususer12 on March 05, 2014, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
I'd go all out with wright b7s & a low fare gimmick/offer (whatever you want to call it).
Put the buses back just in front of hansons & put my best drivers on it. It would take literally weeks before hansons started to really hurt & have to consider their next move "probably withdrawal".
If you want to be successful don't fanny about against your competitor be ruthless & just bully them about.
If hansons didn't withdraw after a month or so then double the frequency & run the 226 every 15 mins really starving hansons of passengers.
That was the line I took against diamond with AM PM on the 71 Sunday service. Run just in front with my most competative drivers & best darts I had (yes I know darts against centros, but it's all I had.)
When diamond didn't withdraw I registered every half our 71 sutton to Solihull inter working with a 71E every half hour chelmsley wood to Solihull. That gave us a 15 min service along the busiest section of route against diamonds 30 frequency. There was no way diamond wanted to fight that.
In fact not even NXWM wanted to compete with that when they introduced the 72 on Sundays they chose not to run beyond chelmsley until after the AMPM downfall & the 71 returning to half hourly frequency with diamond.
I'm surprised either Hansons or Diamond haven't registered a 226E going Merry Hill - Kford only inbetween their 30 min departures so they coincided with the other op, as it would only use 2 buses and take some custom from the other op. Custom from Kford to Dudley seems to be patchy.
It's always been patchy - even when TWM did the 264/265. Why do you think that they came off?
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 05, 2014, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 05, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Seems passengers are starting to prefer the 22 over the 002, seen countless people asking how often they run and what times, and remarking on how good value it was (word is quickly spreading, with £1 single/£1.25 day ticket being displayed on the front LEDs). One gent on 117 this afternoon used some colourful language to describe how terrible he thinks Diamond are on the 002.
Business is looking good, I think.
Some people will always say that though... It seems moaning about diamond has become the new sport in Redditch,ever since they took over, again, much of it exaggerated and rude. I'm not being funny though but diamond are far more frequent, far newer buses and have more of a network in the black country so I'm surprised "countless" people prefer them. The truth of the matter is people will not wait behind another 15 minutes for a TGB when diamond aren't expensive in the first place. The fares are probably nothing more than an initial gimmick anyway...
The fares are an introductory offer, not a 'gimmick'. Even the full fare day, week and month tickets will still be considerably cheaper than Diamond and NX.
YJ51 EKF which we passed a couple of times doesn't look too modern to me. That's the magic of TGB, despite being 13+ years old, the unsuspecting passenger would not know the age difference between their Tridents and a B7RLE, let alone a knackered DAF... I'm limited as to what I should say on a public forum, but I do not think Diamond set a particularly high standard of competition
I'm sorry but an "introductory offer" must be the definition of a gimmick: a cheap one off that won't last long. That is 1 out of the 6 buses on the 002, the same age as TGB's newest vehicles and I can assure you YJ51EKF is the one of the best DAFs and hasn't been knackered in London like TGB's tridents. I think the average passenger could work out a b7rle/centro is newer than a cold, damp ex London decker...!
Being a regular user of the 002 I tell you as a passenger and as an enthusiast I would much prefer a Trident of any age over the Diamond 002 Centro's, they have to be some of the worst built buses going. Uncomfortable seats on the majority of them, especially the Urban 90 one, they all rattle and shake like crazy, and one has had a really loud axle knock for at least 2 years now. They are also fairly cramped and useless for the infirm and pushchairs due to having only one small buggy bay, and are often in desperate need of a wash most of the time, especially the black Royale ones, need I go on?
Winston the metrobuses & city buses were bought because the price they were offered at was too good to say no (even if they were crap) ultimately they proved more reliable than the tridents & when both were put on the same route carried the same amount of passengers, which is probably why Kevin got rid of the tridents.
Trainbasher the oft wouldn't get involved as neither are the major operator in the area & just because NX can't make a route pay doesn't mean someone else with lower overheads can't.
TGB 22 is carrying fresh air on the City end of route. Incorrect roadside publicity not helping. Perhaps its busier Merry Hill end?
Quote from: Steveminor on March 06, 2014, 07:20:18 AM
Winston the metrobuses & city buses were bought because the price they were offered at was too good to say no (even if they were crap) ultimately they proved more reliable than the tridents & when both were put on the same route carried the same amount of passengers, which is probably why Kevin got rid of the tridents.
Trainbasher the oft wouldn't get involved as neither are the major operator in the area & just because NX can't make a route pay doesn't mean someone else with lower overheads can't.
Metrobuses at Pete's travel?
If I remember correctly I was told by the MD of another operator who was offered the Tridents there was still £70,000 each owing on the HP. They were being sold because to keep payments up on them would have finished the company off. He was offered tham at about the £70,000 each so Pete's actually made no money out of the sale but did save themselves a lot of oustanding payments/interest.
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2014, 07:24:11 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on March 06, 2014, 07:20:18 AM
Winston the metrobuses & city buses were bought because the price they were offered at was too good to say no (even if they were crap) ultimately they proved more reliable than the tridents & when both were put on the same route carried the same amount of passengers, which is probably why Kevin got rid of the tridents.
Trainbasher the oft wouldn't get involved as neither are the major operator in the area & just because NX can't make a route pay doesn't mean someone else with lower overheads can't.
Metrobuses at Pete's travel?
If I remember correctly I was told by the MD of another operator who was offered the Tridents there was still £70,000 each owing on the HP. They were being sold because to keep payments up on them would have finished the company off. He was offered tham at about the £70,000 each so Pete's actually made no money out of the sale but did save themselves a lot of oustanding payments/interest.
Yeah Pete's had several BYV...X metrobuses amongst others.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44483738@N05/4285512977/in/photolist-7wGnGM-7wGYoV-aS1ykr-ipGWSX-kGQsm2-ipH5V1-8cASy5-aS1UnZ-kzyfdE-aS2BXc-aaugKC-aauhCu-dkAVek-jcSjSq-7XcpSh-aRZZKx-bxYfbY-bxYfdf-8EGujp-bNgzCR-8N65iS-aS2jUF-9kLTP4-kGQsKt-kzw7sz-81dNdE-8NkQeN-8EGkQz-8EG71v-8F2kVm-cBvaEf-8zQHhe-igccBo-8uGX9n-aoij5H-jzetXR-jzgG7q-hDU7sP-igctna-8h9P35-8qWDkd-8qWj4S-8u9kCx-jcPwBR
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Quote from: Steveminor on March 05, 2014, 09:39:31 PM
That was the line I took against diamond with AM PM on the 71 Sunday service. Run just in front with my most competative drivers & best darts I had (yes I know darts against centros, but it's all I had.)
When diamond didn't withdraw I registered every half our 71 sutton to Solihull inter working with a 71E every half hour chelmsley wood to Solihull. That gave us a 15 min service along the busiest section of route against diamonds 30 frequency. There was no way diamond wanted to fight that.
In fact not even NXWM wanted to compete with that when they introduced the 72 on Sundays they chose not to run beyond chelmsley until after the AMPM downfall & the 71 returning to half hourly frequency with diamond.
In fairness to Diamond their 71 was a centro tender not a commercial service.
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Its always been 30 minutes
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Its always been 30 minutes
Nope, it's been hourly from 10-2ish during the day
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Its always been 30 minutes
Nope, it's been hourly from 10-2ish during the day
Last Saturday they were running every 30 minutes throughout the day.
Pete's travel operated about 10 metrobuses between 2000 and 2002
EYE 331 / 333 V
BYX 260 / 265 V
GYE 530 / 531 / 532 / 597 W
OJD 855 Y
They were largely used on 74E Great Bridge - Birmingham (placing journeys), 894 / 894 A plus other Solihull school services and daytime 37 Birmingham - Solihull
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Its always been 30 minutes
Nope, it's been hourly from 10-2ish during the day
I must have been seeing things then....
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 06, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
22 is increasing to every 30 minutes throughout the day. Don't know when though. New timetables were on the 22's today.
Its always been 30 minutes
Nope, it's been hourly from 10-2ish during the day
I must have been seeing things then....
Timetable on Network West Midland now shows it as 30 minute frequency during the day?
The timetable in Merry Hill bus station showed hourly between 10 and 2, but the timetables on the bus, 111, showed every 30 mins today.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 07, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
The timetable in Merry Hill bus station showed hourly between 10 and 2, but the timetables on the bus, 111, showed every 30 mins today.
The timetable at my stop says hourly during the day. The last I heard it was set to stay that way. Unless Centro have made an error with the timetable, but I can't see TGB being allowed to adjust the frequency so quickly. Although I wouldn't put it past Centro, they have somehow managed to put timetables for both directions on one of my bus stops, and nothing on the other one.
Can I ask, when did you travel on 111 Eric?
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 07, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
The timetable in Merry Hill bus station showed hourly between 10 and 2, but the timetables on the bus, 111, showed every 30 mins today.
The timetable at my stop says hourly during the day. The last I heard it was set to stay that way. Unless Centro have made an error with the timetable, but I can't see TGB being allowed to adjust the frequency so quickly. Although I wouldn't put it past Centro, they have somehow managed to put timetables for both directions on one of my bus stops, and nothing on the other one.
Can I ask, when did you travel on 111 Eric?
The timetable on the greenbus website also shows 30 minutes during the day, as it has done the rest of this week
Quote from: nifty50 on March 07, 2014, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2014, 07:58:37 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 07, 2014, 07:34:15 PM
The timetable in Merry Hill bus station showed hourly between 10 and 2, but the timetables on the bus, 111, showed every 30 mins today.
The timetable at my stop says hourly during the day. The last I heard it was set to stay that way. Unless Centro have made an error with the timetable, but I can't see TGB being allowed to adjust the frequency so quickly. Although I wouldn't put it past Centro, they have somehow managed to put timetables for both directions on one of my bus stops, and nothing on the other one.
Can I ask, when did you travel on 111 Eric?
The timetable on the greenbus website also shows 30 minutes during the day, as it has done the rest of this week
I'm surprised they'd be allowed to change their mind at such short notice
Hi Matt,
Ithink it was 12.54 from Merry Hill, I went through to thr Town Hall on it. The timing seemed very tight.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 07, 2014, 08:29:05 PM
Hi Matt,
Ithink it was 12.54 from Merry Hill, I went through to thr Town Hall on it. The timing seemed very tight.
Ahh right, I was on 111, but the 17:24 from MH & back. I think the timetable is just right, other than too much time between Harborne & the Town Hall.
Quality right there, nobody knew about the service beforehand and now it's launched, nobody knows how often it is supposed to run and everyone gives the public contradicting timetables... :/
Sorry Matt,
111 must have been the 1354 from Merry Hill. I got into the City Centre in time to call in Ian Allan's and catch the 1538 No 59.
I rode 115 om the 09:54 from Merry Hill to City today, very fast Trident arriving at Town Hall at 10:43. Sadly not many passengers between Merry Hill & Bartley Green, although did get half a bus full past Bartley Green.
The Green Bus timetable to me says that it is every hour, although i did seem to see them regularly so who knows. Would have thought VOSA would have had to approve a timetable change?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 07, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
Sorry Matt,
111 must have been the 1354 from Merry Hill. I got into the City Centre in time to call in Ian Allan's and catch the 1538 No 59.
111 swapped boards during the day, so could have been anywhere for all I know
102 was also on a daytime 22 today strangely, although I think it was removed with a defect
Are you suggesting the 30 minute daytime timetable that is being operated hasn't been authorized by the traffic commissioner yet Matt ?
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 08:03:22 AM
Are you suggesting the 30 minute daytime timetable that is being operated hasn't been authorized by the traffic commissioner yet Matt ?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just confused by the sudden change.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 07, 2014, 09:54:23 PM
I rode 115 om the 09:54 from Merry Hill to City today, very fast Trident arriving at Town Hall at 10:43. Sadly not many passengers between Merry Hill & Bartley Green, although did get half a bus full past Bartley Green.
The Green Bus timetable to me says that it is every hour, although i did seem to see them regularly so who knows. Would have thought VOSA would have had to approve a timetable change?
The timetable on the NWM website (http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=26022&net=cen&project=y11&sup=%20&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=26022&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=%20&itdLPxx_lineVer=1&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=) now shows the service as half-hourly through the day.
Matt, do you know if this service is subsidised at all by Centro, or is it fully commercial?
Optare spectras on there today aswell as tridents
Currently on 123. The Spectra is 203. 111 and 118 (as well as 123) are the Tridents.
112 overheated on the 22 this morning. Made it as far as Bartley Green from Birmingham, where the driver put us onto the 002 (ex Diamond driver). Have not seen its replacement yet
currently sat on 203
just saw 123 and there are two Presidents on there too
I reckon 203 will do the 14:54 ex Merry Hill, juding by the time my mother said she saw it.
203 is on the 1454 (only just missed it!) and 1724 (rough guess) ex merry hill
They picked one of the best ones to put on the 22. Currently sat on 203, reminds me just how much they wipe the floor with NXWM's Spectras!
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 03:12:10 PM
They picked one of the best ones to put on the 22. Currently sat on 203, reminds me just how much they wipe the floor with NXWM's Spectras!
I agree. Shame not low floor !
203, a PO51 Trident, 111, 118, 123 are the 5 buses on the 22
Nothing wrong with step entrance. Stops the local delinquents (sorry - loving parents) with their massive tanks (sorry - 3 baby in one pushchairs)
Only problems with step entrance is that it's not disabled friendly (which in this day and age is required more now than ever especially with cut backs to ring and ride etc.)
Quote from: John on March 08, 2014, 01:42:58 PM
Currently on 123. The Spectra is 203. 111 and 118 (as well as 123) are the Tridents.
112 overheated on the 22 this morning. Made it as far as Bartley Green from Birmingham, where the driver put us onto the 002 (ex Diamond driver). Have not seen its replacement yet
So that was you who was sat just in front of me on 123.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
203, a PO51 Trident, 111, 118, 123 are the 5 buses on the 22
The PO51 Trident is the replacement for 112 this morning
I didn't realise you were on there as well Nathan on 123 this afternoon
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
203, a PO51 Trident, 111, 118, 123 are the 5 buses on the 22
I got off at Town Hall John (I had a black coat on). Was spotting buses at Merry Hill beforehand. The PO51 Trident on the 22 is 103
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Surprised nobody has noticed 102 on the 50
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
WiFi was working on 123 for most of the journey, bus as I tried as we were on Broad Street, it stopped working
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
203 is on the 1724 as I thought ex merry hill. I don't mind if I do :-)
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
203 is on the 1724 as I thought ex merry hill. I don't mind if I do :-)
I'll see you shortly then! Let me know if it's running on time.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
203 is on the 1724 as I thought ex merry hill. I don't mind if I do :-)
I'll see you shortly then! Let me know if it's running on time.
I'm only going to Quarry Bank because I have an appointment in 'Spoons...but I doubt it will be on time as traffic for Quarry Bank is as far as the bus station!
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
203 is on the 1724 as I thought ex merry hill. I don't mind if I do :-)
I'll see you shortly then! Let me know if it's running on time.
I'm only going to Quarry Bank because I have an appointment in 'Spoons...but I doubt it will be on time as traffic for Quarry Bank is as far as the bus station!
Ah right, well enjoy your short trip!
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on March 08, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
Don't think 118 likes the wifi to work on my Android...
Maybe they haven't paid the bill lol
Most of them work, they can be a bit stubborn, just keep trying.
203 should do the last 22E City - Halesowen tonight, 18:35 ex city, I hope to be on it for my second ride on 203 today.
203 is on the 1724 as I thought ex merry hill. I don't mind if I do :-)
I'll see you shortly then! Let me know if it's running on time.
I'm only going to Quarry Bank because I have an appointment in 'Spoons...but I doubt it will be on time as traffic for Quarry Bank is as far as the bus station!
Ah right, well enjoy your short trip!
I doubt it'll be on time arriving in city...it hasn't even got to the roundabout at Quarry Bank yet!
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Whereabouts did you get off 123?
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Whereabouts did you get off 123?
Manor Way, by the Black Horse. Were you sitting upstairs? There was only one lady downstairs, and a rather overly romantic couple.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 06:10:54 PM
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Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Whereabouts did you get off 123?
Manor Way, by the Black Horse. Were you sitting upstairs? There was only one lady downstairs, and a rather overly romantic couple.
None of those were me I can assure you! I just did a short hop from Harborne High St to Northfield Rd.
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 06:17:07 PM
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Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Whereabouts did you get off 123?
Manor Way, by the Black Horse. Were you sitting upstairs? There was only one lady downstairs, and a rather overly romantic couple.
None of those were me I can assure you! I just did a short hop from Harborne High St to Northfield Rd.
Ah right, I was sat in the back corner, same side as the doors.
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 06:20:51 PM
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Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 06:10:54 PM
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Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2014, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
Just been on 123 on the 22, first time I've used the Greenbus service. Friendly helpful driver with a sense of humour - breath of fresh air. I hope they stick around for a while and patronage increases.
Also great to see Spectras back in Harborne again.
So have I, I caught the 17:05 from city and just hopped off onto 203 coming the other way.
Whereabouts did you get off 123?
Manor Way, by the Black Horse. Were you sitting upstairs? There was only one lady downstairs, and a rather overly romantic couple.
None of those were me I can assure you! I just did a short hop from Harborne High St to Northfield Rd.
Ah right, I was sat in the back corner, same side as the doors.
So our paths briefly crossed, unknowingly. I was with an elderly couple (my in-laws) and my 2 kids.
Is this a commercial service, or do TGB receive any subsidy from Centro?
Commercially operated. Anyway it looks like the 1854 hasn't run (was hoping to get it before my 226!)
Edit - I stand corrected...it's just rolling into merry hill at 1859 so I don't think I'll risk it...especially as I've got a connection due in 15!
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
Commercially operated. Anyway it looks like the 1854 hasn't run (was hoping to get it before my 226!)
I figured that might be the case, didn't see why Centro would subsidise a route commercially covered by other operators. ;)
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
Thanks for that N94 ;)
A replacement for Trident/President 112 which overheated on the route in Bartley Green this morning
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
As I posted further up in the thread. It was pulling out of Manor One onto Manor Was as I was on 123
Quote from: Nathan on March 08, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
As I posted further up in the thread. It was pulling out of Manor One onto Manor Was as I was on 123
Sorry, I didn't see that! (three pages of new posts when I logged in! I did look through to see if anyone posted it but I missed it :()
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 08, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
As I posted further up in the thread. It was pulling out of Manor One onto Manor Was as I was on 123
Sorry, I didn't see that! (three pages of new posts when I logged in! I did look through to see if anyone posted it but I missed it :()
Sorry I didn't mean it like that :) I was just saying it to check if you had missed my post :)
Quote from: Nathan on March 08, 2014, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 08, 2014, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 08, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
103 was the PO51 trident on the 22. Was sat outside the Town Hall when I went past just before 6pm.
As I posted further up in the thread. It was pulling out of Manor One onto Manor Was as I was on 123
Sorry, I didn't see that! (three pages of new posts when I logged in! I did look through to see if anyone posted it but I missed it :()
Sorry I didn't mean it like that :) I was just saying it to check if you had missed my post :)
Don't worry about it, I knew what you meant :). Misuse of exclamation marks on my part I think. I meant it in a "whoops!" kind of way.
Spectra 205 is on the 22 today. 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35 from city.
EDIT - I think there is a second Spectra on, which will do the 17:05 from city.
205 is on the 22 again today.
Quote from: Matt on March 11, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
205 is on the 22 again today.
What time off merry hill??
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 11, 2014, 04:30:06 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 11, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
205 is on the 22 again today.
What time off merry hill??
Cannot be sure, but think 18:24 - it was my mother who saw it, not I. It could be the 17:54, though.
EDIT: my mother has now informed me it was on the FW7, so may not actually be on the 22!
203 is on the 22 all day today. Will do the 18:05 22E ex city to Halesowen (but is running a good 15 mins late!)
there was a TGB dart doing the rail replacement service this evening
saw it in Tividale around 10pm
Quote from: OH25 on March 12, 2014, 11:57:30 PM
there was a TGB dart doing the rail replacement service this evening
saw it in Tividale around 10pm
502, 452 (the Lance) and the Spectras are all being used on the rail replacement
205 on 22 today
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
205 on 22 today
204 was on there as well. They arrived in Merry Hill at almost the exact same time at around 1:10. I did the full trip on 205 between Broad St and Merry Hill and I was the only one to pay a cash fare. 204 was a couple of minutes in front between Halesowen and Merry Hill and looked a bit more full.
Quote from: N94 on March 13, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
205 on 22 today
204 was on there as well. They arrived in Merry Hill at almost the exact same time at around 1:10. I did the full trip on 205 between Broad St and Merry Hill and I was the only one to pay a cash fare. 204 was a couple of minutes in front between Halesowen and Merry Hill and looked a bit more full.
That's interesting, 204 was the am & pm FW7, I didn't realise this bus went onto the 22 in the day.
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater
Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
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Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
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Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater)
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Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater)
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It was out yesterday. Saw it on Richmond Road, Olton. Not sure what service though!
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Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830325583873&set=a.1389342817652.203700.1354552323&type=1&theater)
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It was out yesterday. Saw it on Richmond Road, Olton. Not sure what service though!
FW2 probably
Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 10:40:50 PM
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Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
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I Have just on the 22 in merry hill
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Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2014, 08:47:52 PM
Surprised nobody noticed this out today
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I was going to do that, but wanted people to see the comments. Here it is
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I Have just on the 22 in merry hill
http://www.flickr.com/photos/95403355@N06/13148305753/
That's an excellent all round advert!
Saw in Dudley about 6PM, apparently the pupil on the back isn't very happy about having his photo on the back of a bus!
Currently on 113, just left Bartley Green to Merry Hill, decent load, more than 30823 on the 002 just sat in front and on a side note the 002 is all over the place again with 2 following each other solidly since 8AM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on March 18, 2014, 12:35:08 PM
Currently on 113, just left Bartley Green to Merry Hill, decent load, more than 30823 on the 002 just sat in front and on a side note the 002 is all over the place again with 2 following each other solidly since 8AM
Sounds as though Diamond need to be careful, the 002 must be quite a lucrative route for them.
What happened to the 08 reg scania deckers on trial?
Quote from: nifty50 on March 18, 2014, 09:38:28 PM
What happened to the 08 reg scania deckers on trial?
I assume it was returned? there are none currently advertised for sale with Ensign or advertised for lease/sale with Santander. Not sure where they've gone?
I was in Harborne at 11:15 (waiting unsuccessfully for a spectra again!) and saw both Green Bus 22s crossing each other, the ALX400 heading into town had a mere 1 person on board, I think the President heading to Merry Hill had a couple of people on who had boarded in Harborne. Is it safe to say that perhaps the Town Hall terminus is putting off potential Passengers?
Is a dart normal on TGB 50? ain't seen one on there in ages
Travelled on 114 on the 1024 ex Merry Hill today, think it needs attention, taking 10 minutes between Lyde Green & Colley Gate and struggling up every other hill.
Other buses seen were 112,115,111,118!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 19, 2014, 04:32:21 PM
Travelled on 114 on the 1024 ex Merry Hill today, think it needs attention, taking 10 minutes between Lyde Green & Colley Gate and struggling up every other hill.
Other buses seen were 112,115,111,118!
114 is a VERY slow bus. Was that the bus Matt mentioned having work done at the Green Bus garage?
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 19, 2014, 09:41:42 AM
Is a dart normal on TGB 50? ain't seen one on there in ages
I think it occasionally appears on the 50 every now and again
Was good to see healthier loadings on the 22 today, although the amount of people that got on for the £1 fare was quite high, wonder how many will continue to travel when the fare goes up?
Quote from: vinh1000 on March 19, 2014, 09:41:42 AM
Is a dart normal on TGB 50? ain't seen one on there in ages
According to my dad the dart was involved in an RTC last week at the Town Hall, someone had come across and cut it up, the car driver trying to pull in to drop someone off. I'm sure it's marked out as Bus Stop or Bus Stand so the car shouldn't even be stopping there
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Quote from: vinh1000 on March 19, 2014, 09:41:42 AM
Is a dart normal on TGB 50? ain't seen one on there in ages
According to my dad the dart was involved in an RTC last week at the Town Hall, someone had come across and cut it up, the car driver trying to pull in to drop someone off. I'm sure it's marked out as Bus Stop or Bus Stand so the car shouldn't even be stopping there
My local stop for the 900 to Cov (Coalway Avenue Stop) there is always cars parking in the designated area for the bus stop and if the driver sees a car pulling into the bus stop he sounds his horn and half the time they just ignore it and then the driver blocks them in. ;)
I'll leave it there don't want to overload the thread :)
502 the dart was on the 22 today
Caught the 1401 from Town Hall today - the only passenger and we never stopped until Halesowen, arriving 5 minutes early. We caught a 22 up at War Lane and a 002 by Halesowen Cricket Club.
I was able to catch the 1444 out of Halesowen (10 minutes late). Several people got on / off and there were about 8 through passengers. We picked a few up Bartley Green / Jiggins Lane / Harborne arriving at the Town hall with 12 people on board 3 minutes late - all apart from me and an elderly couple baffled that the Town Hall was the end of route.
Speaking to a couple of drivers they are convinced the terminus needs to be Colmore Row. The boss needs convincing to male any change.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 22, 2014, 07:24:33 PM
Caught the 1401 from Town Hall today - the only passenger and we never stopped until Halesowen, arriving 5 minutes early. We caught a 22 up at War Lane and a 002 by Halesowen Cricket Club.
I was able to catch the 1444 out of Halesowen (10 minutes late). Several people got on / off and there were about 8 through passengers. We picked a few up Bartley Green / Jiggins Lane / Harborne arriving at the Town hall with 12 people on board 3 minutes late - all apart from me and an elderly couple baffled that the Town Hall was the end of route.
Speaking to a couple of drivers they are convinced the terminus needs to be Colmore Row. The boss needs convincing to male any change.
Myself, i can't see why the service can't terminate in Colmore Row, then run empty to The Town Hall, park up there until nearly departure time & then go back round to Colmore Circus to take up service.
As the service is only every 30 minutes, there will be no problem about which buses are used?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/13337754094/ came into city NIS from Digbeth
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Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 22, 2014, 07:24:33 PM
Caught the 1401 from Town Hall today - the only passenger and we never stopped until Halesowen, arriving 5 minutes early. We caught a 22 up at War Lane and a 002 by Halesowen Cricket Club.
I was able to catch the 1444 out of Halesowen (10 minutes late). Several people got on / off and there were about 8 through passengers. We picked a few up Bartley Green / Jiggins Lane / Harborne arriving at the Town hall with 12 people on board 3 minutes late - all apart from me and an elderly couple baffled that the Town Hall was the end of route.
Speaking to a couple of drivers they are convinced the terminus needs to be Colmore Row. The boss needs convincing to male any change.
Myself, i can't see why the service can't terminate in Colmore Row, then run empty to The Town Hall, park up there until nearly departure time & then go back round to Colmore Circus to take up service.
As the service is only every 30 minutes, there will be no problem about which buses are used?
Correct, they don't need to worry about whether the vehicles on the 22 meet the City Centre requirements.
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Caught the 1401 from Town Hall today - the only passenger and we never stopped until Halesowen, arriving 5 minutes early. We caught a 22 up at War Lane and a 002 by Halesowen Cricket Club.
I was able to catch the 1444 out of Halesowen (10 minutes late). Several people got on / off and there were about 8 through passengers. We picked a few up Bartley Green / Jiggins Lane / Harborne arriving at the Town hall with 12 people on board 3 minutes late - all apart from me and an elderly couple baffled that the Town Hall was the end of route.
Speaking to a couple of drivers they are convinced the terminus needs to be Colmore Row. The boss needs convincing to male any change.
Myself, i can't see why the service can't terminate in Colmore Row, then run empty to The Town Hall, park up there until nearly departure time & then go back round to Colmore Circus to take up service.
As the service is only every 30 minutes, there will be no problem about which buses are used?
Correct, they don't need to worry about whether the vehicles on the 22 meet the City Centre requirements.
They still need to meet basic criteria if serving colmore row no matter what the frequency is
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Caught the 1401 from Town Hall today - the only passenger and we never stopped until Halesowen, arriving 5 minutes early. We caught a 22 up at War Lane and a 002 by Halesowen Cricket Club.
I was able to catch the 1444 out of Halesowen (10 minutes late). Several people got on / off and there were about 8 through passengers. We picked a few up Bartley Green / Jiggins Lane / Harborne arriving at the Town hall with 12 people on board 3 minutes late - all apart from me and an elderly couple baffled that the Town Hall was the end of route.
Speaking to a couple of drivers they are convinced the terminus needs to be Colmore Row. The boss needs convincing to male any change.
Myself, i can't see why the service can't terminate in Colmore Row, then run empty to The Town Hall, park up there until nearly departure time & then go back round to Colmore Circus to take up service.
As the service is only every 30 minutes, there will be no problem about which buses are used?
Correct, they don't need to worry about whether the vehicles on the 22 meet the City Centre requirements.
They still need to meet basic criteria if serving colmore row no matter what the frequency is
Correct, the Spectras cannot be used if it terminates in Colmore Row, All vehicles on services into the SQP area must be low floor, whatever the frequency.
Yeah, sorry I keep forgetting their Spectras are not low floor. Just so used to NXWM Spectras being low-floor, I forget these buses were new to Eastbourne in step entrance days!
well i am sure that TGB has enough vehicles to ensure that the Spectra's don't operate on the 22.
When you think about the the fact that 101-107 are seatbelted and intended for school work, 121 also seems to be one they won't use on a public route, the fact that buses break down, and they need to make sure they have enough buses for the 50, I suppose the flexibility is good to have.
Perhaps fuel consumption is much better on the spectras. The 22 route involves alot of hilly terrain Merry Hill end and aren't ideal for the tridents
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Perhaps fuel consumption is much better on the spectras. The 22 route involves alot of hilly terrain Merry Hill end and aren't ideal for the tridents
That's true, when i was on 114 the other day and we turned right from Lyde Green to go to Colley Gate, it was such a struggle to climb the hill, i was sitting on the top deck and looked behind us, we had started a convoy!!!
yesterday 502 was on the 22
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/13362759293/
502 is on 50s today
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 24-Mar-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Maybe extending it to Colmore Row?
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PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 24-Mar-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Maybe extending it to Colmore Row?
Look at the date
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 25, 2014, 01:56:39 PM
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 24-Mar-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Maybe extending it to Colmore Row?
Look at the date
Sorry, its my eyesight, thought it said May!! ;)
Wonder what the route change is?
It's probably referring to the change that came into effect when the route started, to serve Howley Grange Road.
Just a tidying up exercise I guess, as the route hasn't changed since it started.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 24, 2014, 10:11:19 AM
502 is on 50s today
Out on the 50's again today, wanted a picture but was already running late :D
Finally managed to catch The Green Bus on the 50; impressed; driver was friendly and chatting with the passengers and the Trident one of the more unusual I've ridden. Had 118 and at first I thought why did it have the TWM seat colours, and the second door, then realised it was ex Travel London!
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 25, 2014, 08:53:05 PM
Finally managed to catch The Green Bus on the 50; impressed; driver was friendly and chatting with the passengers and the Trident one of the more unusual I've ridden. Had 118 and at first I thought why did it have the TWM seat colours, and the second door, then realised it was ex Travel London!
I wasn't massively impressed by them today, I must say. Fair enough, you could say I'm bound to say that but the sheer length of time the TGB 50 sat on the stand-well over 5 minutes-was causing chaos for Johnson's 1 service per hour and a nx behind which when it tried to set off and was virtually in line with the TGB 50, the TGB 50 suddenly decided it was time to go. Fortunately, while he was messing about, a diamond 50 had got past both of them :P
Within 20 minutes, managed to spot 3 22's toward City Centre (President, Spectra and KGW reg Trident). Only on President had a passenger but 2 of them completely empty.
Edit: I think the olly 50 only did one trip, or it may have replaced a failed trident.
113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
Are they still carrying fresh air or is the route picking up now?
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
Are they still carrying fresh air or is the route picking up now?
Picking up. The Spectra I was on a couple of weeks back was rammed downstairs, with one standee, plus a few upstairs. A good 25-30 in total.
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
Are they still carrying fresh air or is the route picking up now?
Picking up. The Spectra I was on a couple of weeks back was rammed downstairs, with one standee, plus a few upstairs. A good 25-30 in total.
It would do a lot better if it went to Colmore Row
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
Are they still carrying fresh air or is the route picking up now?
Picking up. The Spectra I was on a couple of weeks back was rammed downstairs, with one standee, plus a few upstairs. A good 25-30 in total.
It would do a lot better if it went to Colmore Row
Perhaps, but the Spectras, which are used on the 22 every weekday, are not allowed onto Colmore Row
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113 is on the 22 that should just have just left city
106, 111, 113, 115, 123 today.
Are they still carrying fresh air or is the route picking up now?
Picking up. The Spectra I was on a couple of weeks back was rammed downstairs, with one standee, plus a few upstairs. A good 25-30 in total.
It would do a lot better if it went to Colmore Row
Perhaps, but the Spectras, which are used on the 22 every weekday, are not allowed onto Colmore Row
I guess so. Hopefully they can invest in a modern fleet in due course so they can extend to Colmore Row
Also, 113 was involved in an RTA earlier in Halesowen. Front bumper damage.
Single decker 502 on the 22 today.
Quote from: ade on April 09, 2014, 12:14:53 PM
Single decker 502 on the 22 today.
Along with 206. The 22 seems to get anything out of the garage these days except Olympians and the Lance.
They could probably get away with an 8 seater judging by the loadings i saw today
Quote from: nifty50 on April 09, 2014, 08:55:55 PM
They could probably get away with an 8 seater judging by the loadings i saw today
Not all the time! See my earlier post
Quote from: Matt on April 05, 2014, 06:15:12 PM
The Spectra I was on a couple of weeks back was rammed downstairs, with one standee, plus a few upstairs. A good 25-30 in total.
103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
I'm not sure though! It was parked in Halesowen at 8:05. So it may or may not have taken up the 8:10. It should be on there somewhere, though.
Bus 123 seen on Tow in Lye High Street around 13:45. Presume it was on the 22 and had broken down as was being towed through Lye to get it on the by pass to head back towards Birmingham?
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
I'm not sure though! It was parked in Halesowen at 8:05. So it may or may not have taken up the 8:10. It should be on there somewhere, though.
119 was the 14:01 from Brum (running over 10 mins late at Lapal), 452 passed me by the swimming baths, so would be on the 14:24 from MH.
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
I'm not sure though! It was parked in Halesowen at 8:05. So it may or may not have taken up the 8:10. It should be on there somewhere, though.
119 was the 14:01 from Brum (running over 10 mins late at Lapal), 452 passed me by the swimming baths, so would be on the 14:24 from MH.
Did you manage to get it in the end?
I saw 452 running dead back to the garage with a person on it, anyone on here :P ?
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I saw 452 running dead back to the garage with a person on it, anyone on here :P ?
Not I! Probably a driver.
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
I'm not sure though! It was parked in Halesowen at 8:05. So it may or may not have taken up the 8:10. It should be on there somewhere, though.
119 was the 14:01 from Brum (running over 10 mins late at Lapal), 452 passed me by the swimming baths, so would be on the 14:24 from MH.
Did you manage to get it in the end?
Not today, I didn't have the time to wait for it to come back. I'd expect it will be on there again eventually. I did manage to get some good interior photos of the Trident though, so not a wasted trip.
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103, 452, 502 all on 22 today
Matt, do you know which journeys 452 is doing?
I think it was the 8:10 from Halesowen. So from city 9:01, 11:31, 14:01, 16:35, from MH 10:24, 12:54, 15:24, 17:54.
Cheers Matt. :) I'll pop out in a bit and try and catch it.
I'm not sure though! It was parked in Halesowen at 8:05. So it may or may not have taken up the 8:10. It should be on there somewhere, though.
119 was the 14:01 from Brum (running over 10 mins late at Lapal), 452 passed me by the swimming baths, so would be on the 14:24 from MH.
Did you manage to get it in the end?
Not today, I didn't have the time to wait for it to come back. I'd expect it will be on there again eventually. I did manage to get some good interior photos of the Trident though, so not a wasted trip.
Sorry I gave you the wrong times mate. Next time I'm down the garage I'll have a good look at the 22 boards as last time I was there they were still being drawn up
101 was on FW2 school service to Erdington six ways
I don't know if this regular or not but bravo for TGB for doing well on the 50, I saw it today the loadings and was almost full.
114,116,113 on 50
Currently sat on 205 on 22. Slow compared to our other Spectras but 14:31 & 17:05 ex city, 15:54 & 18:24 ex MH if anyone wants it
(also 114 is not a snail any more)
102 was out to play on the 50, too.
101 was today's oddball on the 22.
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101 was today's oddball on the 22.
Whats odd about that? isn't it usually operated with tridents
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101 was today's oddball on the 22.
Whats odd about that? isn't it usually operated with tridents
101-105 (I think) are fitted with seatbelts and are usually kept to Schools/Private Hire
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101 was today's oddball on the 22.
Whats odd about that? isn't it usually operated with tridents
101-105 (I think) are fitted with seatbelts and are usually kept to Schools/Private Hire
Yes that's correct, the Olympians are usually first choice for private hires but 101-107 are also belted and are thus kept off public service where possible. 123 and 201 are also belted. 201 lives on rail replacement though.
Unlike in other companies vehicles are allocated to jobs and 22/50s days/weeks before the job itself. Vehicles are parked the night before with consideration to the order in which they'll leave in the morning. However, the yard is spacious enough that accessing buses is rarely an issue. So if I was at TGB this week I could tell you which buses would be on the 22/50 each day this week, although there is obviously going to be some element of swapping (they are Tridents after all!).
A funny old day on the 22. 101, 104, 105 & 107 are all on (along with 111).
Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
I see Tony has already photoed it, but 113 (the KE Five Ways bus) was on the 50 again today (was on there yesterday as well).
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 16, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
I saw a bloke chatting to the driver going down Manor Way on that journey. Was that you by any chance?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 16, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
That doesn't sound very many people for a double decker?
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Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
That doesn't sound very many people for a double decker?
Maybe not but it is the first time I've seen any passengers, except me, get on at the Town Hall and we did pick more up as we went along. Bear in mind the Town Hall is not where people go and naturally wait for Harborne / Halesowen bound buses.
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Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
That doesn't sound very many people for a double decker?
Maybe not but it is the first time I've seen any passengers, except me, get on at the Town Hall and we did pick more up as we went along. Bear in mind the Town Hall is not where people go and naturally wait for Harborne / Halesowen bound buses.
Oh don't worry, I'm not like that! We have some good drivers on the 22 especially now the one causing problems is no longer with us. The drivers all like the route, especially those who have driven the 50 in the past, and the route is starting to bring in some decent cash totals.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 17, 2014, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on April 17, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
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Caught 105 for Merry Hill leaving from NIA at 1330. Already had 5 passengers on :
3 travelled to B Gardens, 1 to B Green and 1 to Colley Gate.
It's certainly picking up.
That doesn't sound very many people for a double decker?
Maybe not but it is the first time I've seen any passengers, except me, get on at the Town Hall and we did pick more up as we went along. Bear in mind the Town Hall is not where people go and naturally wait for Harborne / Halesowen bound buses.
If the 22 is starting to show signs of building up patronage, it sounds as though it would be in TGB's best long term interests to acquire further Euro 3 compliant double deckers if sufficient aren't available within the existing fleet & extend the 22 around to Colmore Row and terminate it with all the other Harborne / Halesowen bound services
Greenbus are doing 50p promotion on 22 and 50 routes over Easter for kids
Could somebody let me know which buses are on the 22 today? Many Thanks :)
Quote from: Nathan on April 19, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Could somebody let me know which buses are on the 22 today? Many Thanks :)
Only seen one today, 120.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 19, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 19, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Could somebody let me know which buses are on the 22 today? Many Thanks :)
Only seen one today, 120.
I spotted 114 on 22
does anybody know where this bus is preserved at? http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/63.html
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 19, 2014, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 19, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 19, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Could somebody let me know which buses are on the 22 today? Many Thanks :)
Only seen one today, 120.
I spotted 114 on 22
does anybody know where this bus is preserved at? http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/63.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/63.html)
They've actually allocated the right vehicles today. 109, 114, 118, 119, 120.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 19, 2014, 12:23:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 19, 2014, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 19, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Could somebody let me know which buses are on the 22 today? Many Thanks :)
Only seen one today, 120.
I spotted 114 on 22
does anybody know where this bus is preserved at? http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/63.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/63.html)
It's in a shed in Shropshire. No point looking for it.
I might be thick but has the green bus got any other garges as this bus https://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/13965373562/ is not in the birmingham
2 more reading or that way & Liverpool I believe
Quote from: Solo1 on April 22, 2014, 02:11:32 PM
2 more reading or that way & Liverpool I believe
No, Green Bus have not got any other depot, but three other operators have buses used on Green Bus services in their livery
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 22, 2014, 02:11:32 PM
2 more reading or that way & Liverpool I believe
No, Green Bus have not got any other depot, but three other operators have buses used on Green Bus services in their livery
Yes, the brand is also present in Surrey, Reading and Liverpool
There is still a 'Green Bus' bus stop installed in the car park at Becketts Farm, Wythall. TGB are still advertising a regular service on the 50 between Redditch and Birmingham !
Green bus sub contractors are
Abellio-Guildford
Arriva-Guildford
People bus-Liverpool
Reading bus-reading
Just a quick question, Does 106 have a Euro2 or Euro3 engine? I thought it was a Euro2 however it sounded like it had a Euro 3 engine when it passed me on the 50 today
Quote from: Nathan on April 22, 2014, 06:30:30 PM
Just a quick question, Does 106 have a Euro2 or Euro3 engine? I thought it was a Euro2 however it sounded like it had a Euro 3 engine when it passed me on the 50 today
Euro 2, although I can see why you might think it has a Euro 3
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 22, 2014, 06:30:30 PM
Just a quick question, Does 106 have a Euro2 or Euro3 engine? I thought it was a Euro2 however it sounded like it had a Euro 3 engine when it passed me on the 50 today
Euro 2, although I can see why you might think it has a Euro 3
Thought so. Thanks for that Matt :). It does sound very similar to say one of our 41**/43** Euro 3 tridents as apposed to a Euro 2 trident
Quote from: Nathan on April 22, 2014, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on April 22, 2014, 06:30:30 PM
Just a quick question, Does 106 have a Euro2 or Euro3 engine? I thought it was a Euro2 however it sounded like it had a Euro 3 engine when it passed me on the 50 today
Euro 2, although I can see why you might think it has a Euro 3
Thought so. Thanks for that Matt :) . It does sound very similar to say one of our 41**/43** Euro 3 tridents as apposed to a Euro 2 trident
A nice bus 106 is. To the best of my knowledge TGB have never had a Euro 3 Trident with a Voith box, except when they had a Stagecoach Y-NHK on loan for a short spell of time!
Allocations have gone to pot again. 102, 103, 105 all out to play on the 22 today.
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 09:28:05 PM
Allocations have gone to pot again. 102, 103, 105 all out to play on the 22 today.
^hahaha sorry my fault!!!
Quote from: bwsau cymru on April 22, 2014, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 09:28:05 PM
Allocations have gone to pot again. 102, 103, 105 all out to play on the 22 today.
^hahaha sorry my fault!!!
Tut tut, you can't get the staff these days ;)
23/04/14
106,108,109,110,114,116,118,119 were on 50 All Day
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 24, 2014, 08:36:40 AM
23/04/14
106,108,109,110,114,116,118,119 were on 50 All Day
The 50 was 7 vehicles last I checked...
Quote from: Matt on April 24, 2014, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 24, 2014, 08:36:40 AM
23/04/14
106,108,109,110,114,116,118,119 were on 50 All Day
The 50 was 7 vehicles last I checked...
They was problems yesterday in kings heath due to a broken down diamond
Here's a cash receipt (edited)
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Here's a cash receipt for a typical day on service 50
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
How do you know it is typical?
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Here's a cash receipt for a typical day on service 50
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
How do you know it is typical?
It's half term still at the moment, so if anything I'd expect that to be lower than usual!
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Here's a cash receipt for a typical day on service 50
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
How do you know it is typical?
edited.. :-X
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Here's a cash receipt for a typical day on service 50
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
How do you know it is typical?
edited.. :-X
The link just goes to the flickr homepage
Quote from: andy on April 24, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
Here's a cash receipt for a typical day on service 50
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
How do you know it is typical?
edited.. :-X
The link just goes to the flickr homepage
https://www.flickr.com/photos/97285854@N08/13991434642/
TGB Fleet No 363 stretched it's legs, and had a day out in the Potteries today. It took members of the Omnibus Society on a tour of bus/coach operators.
A single decker was on the 22 today. Probably 502 from the way my mother described it. 201 was out too.
Expect another Green Bus in King Edward's Livery in the near future; like this one http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/113.html
Except it shall be advertising Camp Hill instead of Five Ways; according to school sources.
452 on the 22
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
452 on the 22
8:10 ex Halesowen to city
Presumably the same board it was on last time then. It did the 14:24 from MH last time so it should do the 11:54 from MH as well? I'm going to head out and try to find it.
currently on 452 on the 1401 ex city.
the brakes on this are mega sharp
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
currently on 452 on the 1401 ex city.
the brakes on this are mega sharp
and then when i get off at Merry Hill, woman behind me falls down the steps and goes crashing into the railings!
502 was on FW2 to erdington
Quote from: N94 on April 29, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
452 on the 22
8:10 ex Halesowen to city
Presumably the same board it was on last time then. It did the 14:24 from MH last time so it should do the 11:54 from MH as well? I'm going to head out and try to find it.
No a different board to last time, would be the one you had 119 on.
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: N94 on April 29, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
452 on the 22
8:10 ex Halesowen to city
Presumably the same board it was on last time then. It did the 14:24 from MH last time so it should do the 11:54 from MH as well? I'm going to head out and try to find it.
No a different board to last time, would be the one you had 119 on.
There was one board missing, the 13:31 ex city (the bus i turned up for) didn't run, we had a driver but no bus.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: N94 on April 29, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
452 on the 22
8:10 ex Halesowen to city
Presumably the same board it was on last time then. It did the 14:24 from MH last time so it should do the 11:54 from MH as well? I'm going to head out and try to find it.
No a different board to last time, would be the one you had 119 on.
There was one board missing, the 13:31 ex city (the bus i turned up for) didn't run, we had a driver but no bus.
Doesn't surprise me! How was 452? It and 502 should be used on the 22 and not the PO51 Tridents which have been running amok on there lately
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 06:35:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: N94 on April 29, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 10:25:02 AM
452 on the 22
8:10 ex Halesowen to city
Presumably the same board it was on last time then. It did the 14:24 from MH last time so it should do the 11:54 from MH as well? I'm going to head out and try to find it.
No a different board to last time, would be the one you had 119 on.
There was one board missing, the 13:31 ex city (the bus i turned up for) didn't run, we had a driver but no bus.
Doesn't surprise me! How was 452? It and 502 should be used on the 22 and not the PO51 Tridents which have been running amok on there lately
452 was ok, quite powerful, however the brakes were shocking, the driver only had to touch them and the bus braked heavily.
502 was on the board I thought 452 was on. I managed to get 452 between Halesowen and Merry Hill (with only one other passenger on) and I didn't notice anything up with the brakes. Although to be honest, it didn't stop moving very often at all. I'm uploading a video of a couple of clips to youtube: should be done processing any time now...
http://youtu.be/5ygDblfmtn0
380 has also been on 22's today
Quote from: bwsau cymru on April 29, 2014, 11:37:28 PM
380 has also been on 22's today
You picked the best Olly there!
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on April 29, 2014, 11:37:28 PM
380 has also been on 22's today
You picked the best Olly there!
Haha wasnt a case of picking it, it was all that was there!!! 502 should be out again today!
Quote from: bwsau cymru on April 30, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on April 29, 2014, 11:37:28 PM
380 has also been on 22's today
You picked the best Olly there!
Haha wasnt a case of picking it, it was all that was there!!! 502 should be out again today!
I know I know ;) 452 and 502 are out again apparently
I personally think 380 and 502 are quite nice buses 😉that's a thought
Quote from: Daniel w on April 30, 2014, 08:24:18 PM
I personally think 380 and 502 are quite nice buses 😉that's a thought
380 yes, 502 no
206 and 502 should be on 22s today
502 just left town
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
I've noticed that sometimes they go missing. Maybe it's a time vortex that only a doctor can fix!
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
I've noticed that sometimes they go missing. Maybe it's a time vortex that only a doctor can fix!
It's caused by two parts of space and time that should never have touched... pressed together.
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
I've noticed that sometimes they go missing. Maybe it's a time vortex that only a doctor can fix!
It's caused by two parts of space and time that should never have touched... pressed together.
*two routes that should never have been touched...pressed together.
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
I've noticed that sometimes they go missing. Maybe it's a time vortex that only a doctor can fix!
It's caused by two parts of space and time that should never have touched... pressed together.
*two routes that should never have been touched...pressed together.
The 22 and 002 - TGB pressed them together
Quote from: nifty50 on May 01, 2014, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 02:47:58 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
The 11:31 hasnt even bothered to show up at all yet, assuming it isn't another centro timetable cock up...
seems to be hit & miss with them, tried to catch the 13:31 3 times now and only once turned up!
Buses seem to go missing on the 22. I think there's some kind of black hole somewhere on the route that the buses keep falling into.
I've noticed that sometimes they go missing. Maybe it's a time vortex that only a doctor can fix!
It's caused by two parts of space and time that should never have touched... pressed together.
*two routes that should never have been touched...pressed together.
The 22 and 002 - TGB pressed them together
A driver told me the 22 is coming off in July
Surely they are not going on the 246 to. ;) ;)
Just left merry hill on 452
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 03:28:53 PM
Just left merry hill on 452
The very bus I was hoping for this morning >:(
103, 107, 201, 204, 452, 502
Should all have been on the 22 at some point today
Quote from: Matt on May 02, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
103, 107, 201, 204, 452, 502
Should all have been on the 22 at some point today
I saw 104 & 111 earlier to Matt
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 02, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 02, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
103, 107, 201, 204, 452, 502
Should all have been on the 22 at some point today
I saw 104 & 111 earlier to Matt
I didn't know about 104. 111 lives on the 22 unfortunately
Should be just Tridents on the 22 today, if anyone was wondering.
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Not what I was referring to
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Not what I was referring to
Can we have a clue?
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Not what I was referring to
Can we have a clue?
The one I have highlighted in
bold is on the right lines
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:40:14 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Not what I was referring to
Can we have a clue?
The one I have highlighted in bold is on the right lines
Bank holiday service?
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:40:14 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: nifty50 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
You know, I'm surprised nobody has yet noticed something different about the 50.
A few guesses:
More buses?
Sunday Buses?
Different line of route/or Route Variation that follows a different route or doesn't terminate at Maypole?
I imagine all of those are wrong though?
All wrong, although one is on the right lines.
Wythall extension?
Not what I was referring to
Can we have a clue?
The one I have highlighted in bold is on the right lines
Bank holiday service?
No
I'm failing to understand what you mean by along the right lines?
Are TGB operating Sunday Buses on the 50 or not? :)
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
I'm failing to understand what you mean by along the right lines?
Are TGB operating Sunday Buses on the 50 or not? :)
No but it's a similar concept
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
I'm failing to understand what you mean by along the right lines?
Are TGB operating Sunday Buses on the 50 or not? :)
No but it's a similar concept
Sunday morning??!!
They either run buses on Sunday or not!
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 04, 2014, 10:48:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 04, 2014, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
I'm failing to understand what you mean by along the right lines?
Are TGB operating Sunday Buses on the 50 or not? :)
No but it's a similar concept
Sunday morning??!!
They either run buses on Sunday or not!
I give up lol. No Sunday buses.
It's been operating later into the evening since mid April
Two Spectras on the 22 and a Volvo on the 50 today.
This morning 502 was towed away from Harbourne and 452 was on the 22 going toward the City Centre with one passenger on board.
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 05:29:34 PM
Two Spectras on the 22 and a Volvo on the 50 today.
904, sadly it buggered off after one trip :(
Someone has told me that Greenbus have not submitted statutory accounts by the deadline, anyone no where the public can check??
Quote from: nifty50 on May 06, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
Someone has told me that Greenbus have not submitted statutory accounts by the deadline, anyone no where the public can check??
According to Company Check, they should have been submitted by 30/04/14, bit early to say they have not been submitted on time.
204, 363, 452 all on 22 today
Quote from: Matt on May 07, 2014, 10:33:39 AM
204, 363, 452 all on 22 today
Also 107 & regular 111 are on there.
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
What times should it be out of merry hill??
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 09, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
What times should it be out of merry hill??
I don't know, not seen it
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 09, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
What times should it be out of merry hill??
I don't know, not seen it
In Bartley Green half 4, B'ham 5 ish, don't know if it'll go another trip back to Merry Hill
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 09, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 09, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
What times should it be out of merry hill??
I don't know, not seen it
In Bartley Green half 4, B'ham 5 ish, don't know if it'll go another trip back to Merry Hill
Think it was swapped for 103 in Birmingham, was told it would only stay out till 5
The 13:44 22 from Halesowen towards City was at least 20 minutes late or didn't operate as i just gave up waiting and caught 4195 on the 241 (14:05 departure)
The 1524 ex merry hill didn't turn up either
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
The 13:44 22 from Halesowen towards City was at least 20 minutes late or didn't operate as i just gave up waiting and caught 4195 on the 241 (14:05 departure)
Or you missed it
Quote from: Matt on May 10, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
The 13:44 22 from Halesowen towards City was at least 20 minutes late or didn't operate as i just gave up waiting and caught 4195 on the 241 (14:05 departure)
Or you missed it
I got to the stand at 13:38-13:39 so unless it ran early?
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 10, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
The 13:44 22 from Halesowen towards City was at least 20 minutes late or didn't operate as i just gave up waiting and caught 4195 on the 241 (14:05 departure)
Or you missed it
I got to the stand at 13:38-13:39 so unless it ran early?
I can't understand why it didn't turn up, probably find a Trident snuffed it
Saw 452 heading up the Walsall Rd past Scott Arms heading towards Birmingham at 14:55 this afternoon
201 on the 22 this morning (Photo courtesy of N94)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/13984406210/
111,201,203,452,502 all seem to be pritty regular on 22's
22 should be "Spectra-cular" today
Quote from: Nathan on May 11, 2014, 08:08:08 PM
Saw 452 heading up the Walsall Rd past Scott Arms heading towards Birmingham at 14:55 this afternoon
This was out on a rail replacement
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on May 09, 2014, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 09, 2014, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
121 the exhibition bus should be on 22 today alongside the usual 452/502.
What times should it be out of merry hill??
I don't know, not seen it
In Bartley Green half 4, B'ham 5 ish, don't know if it'll go another trip back to Merry Hill
Think it was swapped for 103 in Birmingham, was told it would only stay out till 5
It went out on a private hire after it finished on 22's
Any Spectra's out today?
@Matt
@wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) 205 is out, not seen any others but there probably are more.
Rode 204 home today from school; excellent bus; good suspension and engine still. Never thought I'd say that about an Opatre ;)
@wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) It was 113, 117, 205, 452, 502 today. Any luck?
Quote from: Matt on May 15, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
@wilmotm (Matt Wilmot)
It was 113, 117, 205, 452, 502 today. Any luck?
Thanks
@Matt Saw the two singles and 113 out but no Spectra's, I'll hopefully be out again sometime next week
502 on 22 again
Was around 7 mins early into Harborne
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 16, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
502 on 22 again
Was around 7 mins early into Harborne
@vinh1000 452 & 502 are on the 22 every day along with usually one Spectra
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 16, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
502 on 22 again
Was around 7 mins early into Harborne
The burning question is, did he wait time?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: vinh1000 on May 16, 2014, 10:47:16 AM
502 on 22 again
Was around 7 mins early into Harborne
The burning question is, did he wait time?
Unless he was 23 minutes late. lol
Who knows! TGB 22 is a monster of a route combining 2 different corridors together with fairly elderly buses, Diamonds timetabling on the 002 is fairly hopeless with double the frequency, modern buses and not entering the City centre so TGB do fairly well if a bus completes 1 round trip in about 2 hours!
this is on vosa today wonder what the changes are
5. PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.
6. PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable
@Solo1 It'll be Summer Timetables surely?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
@Solo1
It'll be Summer Timetables surely?
The schools won't finish till the end of July though
Quote from: Matt on May 16, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
@Solo1
It'll be Summer Timetables surely?
The schools won't finish till the end of July though
Don't NXWM's start end of June...
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 04:30:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 16, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 16, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
@Solo1
It'll be Summer Timetables surely?
The schools won't finish till the end of July though
Don't NXWM's start end of June...
Probably, not sure why they start so early
My money's on this change being extended operating hours, but I don't know. Will see if I can find out.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 16, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
this is on vosa today wonder what the changes are
5. PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.
6. PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable
50A could that be linked to Green bus trying to cash in on the Redditch branch being closed over the summer?
Quote from: tank90 on May 16, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on May 16, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
this is on vosa today wonder what the changes are
5. PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.
6. PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable
50A could that be linked to Green bus trying to cash in on the Redditch branch being closed over the summer?
Is it not the fact that the VOSA registration still includes details of the 50A? And really, is it closing over summer?
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 16, 2014, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: tank90 on May 16, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on May 16, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
this is on vosa today wonder what the changes are
5. PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.
6. PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 07-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable
50A could that be linked to Green bus trying to cash in on the Redditch branch being closed over the summer?
Is it not the fact that the VOSA registration still includes details of the 50A? And really, is it closing over summer?
yes
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Birmingham_-_Redditch_Whats_happening.aspx
From observations of TGB on the 22 there seemed to be an extra bus meaning buses were having a 30 minute layover at the Town Hall. I went for the 1400 from the Town Hall which was already parked up at 1350 then as were pulling out 104 pulled up in front of us and unloaded. Also KEFW 113 was parked up in Paradise Circus at 1245 and we then passed it in Halesowen having made the 1444 departure.
Are buses now laying over for 30 mins at Town Hall?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on May 17, 2014, 07:11:16 PM
From observations of TGB on the 22 there seemed to be an extra bus meaning buses were having a 30 minute layover at the Town Hall. I went for the 1400 from the Town Hall which was already parked up at 1350 then as were pulling out 104 pulled up in front of us and unloaded. Also KEFW 113 was parked up in Paradise Circus at 1245 and we then passed it in Halesowen having made the 1444 departure.
Are buses now laying over for 30 mins at Town Hall?
That would explain why there were 6 buses on there today. I think you are correct, this must be very recent though.
In Dudley was one of the olmpians full was this a private hire or a tour by one of the bus groups
Has anyone got images or point me in the right direction for images of when green bus operated arriva's services on boxing day?
Quote from: NXDom on May 18, 2014, 08:46:17 PM
Has anyone got images or point me in the right direction for images of when green bus operated arriva's services on boxing day?
108 (208) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570374666/in/set-72157639053623233
380 (NIS) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570372136/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570355436/in/set-72157639053623233/
112 (208)- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570287244/in/set-72157639053623233/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570288124/in/set-72157639053623233
EU06KOX (213/214) - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570226485/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570375966/in/set-72157639053623233 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/11570397763/in/set-72157639053623233
Should there be a short 22 to Halesowen at around 10am? I can't see one on the timetable, but I saw 452 on Howley Grange Road at around 9:45, then after around 15 mins it was on Manor Way heading back to Birmingham.
Quote from: N94 on May 19, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
Should there be a short 22 to Halesowen at around 10am? I can't see one on the timetable, but I saw 452 on Howley Grange Road at around 9:45, then after around 15 mins it was on Manor Way heading back to Birmingham.
It will be something to do with the RTC on Broad Street this morning which meant it was taking 70 minutes from Harborne to City Centre
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
It's 112.
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
It's 112.
I take it, it's going somewhere?
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
It's 112.
I take it, it's going somewhere?
No
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
It's 112.
I take it, it's going somewhere?
No
I saw it crossing Newtown Row on the Ring Road heading back to the garage this evening. I presume it is the next bus to gain an all-over ad for King Edwards
Quote from: John on May 19, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 19, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
There is a green President on the 50 today with all logos and fleetnumbers removed. It's an NK51 but the reg I have noted is incorrect so it is either 113 with its advert removed or 112 but most likely 113.
It's 112.
I take it, it's going somewhere?
No
I saw it crossing Newtown Row on the Ring Road heading back to the garage this evening. I presume it is the next bus to gain an all-over ad for King Edwards
Not King Edwards
its returned after accident damage. 123 is back too
There is meant to be a Camp Hill for boys advert to be put on one of the buses....
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2014, 07:25:27 AM
There is meant to be a Camp Hill for boys advert to be put on one of the buses....
Not what 112's getting
364 on 22 today
As I was asked by somebody which vehicles are on the 22, I may as well post here.
101, 104, 105, 110 & have not seen number 5 yet.
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2014, 02:02:30 PM
As I was asked by somebody which vehicles are on the 22, I may as well post here.
101, 104, 105, 110 & have not seen number 5 yet.
104 has failed on Manor Lane! (Driver waiting for engineer).
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 02:26:50 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2014, 02:02:30 PM
As I was asked by somebody which vehicles are on the 22, I may as well post here.
101, 104, 105, 110 & have not seen number 5 yet.
104 has failed on Manor Lane! (Driver waiting for engineer).
104's by far the worst Trident, absolute nail
@Matt Tell me about ut! Crawled up Manor Way and up Manor Lane Hill and then just cut out.
Quote from: Nathan on May 24, 2014, 02:30:43 PM
@Matt Tell me about ut! Crawled up the Bypass and up Manor Lane Hill and then just cut out.
The 22 doesn't use the bypass. I think you mean Manor Way.
Shame, the PO51s are otherwise great buses, probably our best Tridents. 102 is the fifth bus on today.
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
There should be an Olympian out too, 361 I think
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
There should be an Olympian out too, 361 I think
361 and 365 are out.
Quote from: 4Q on May 25, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
There should be an Olympian out too, 361 I think
361 and 365 are out.
363 also.
Finally got a Pic of 121 as well!!
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
There should be an Olympian out too, 361 I think
Yes i saw 361/3/5 also
Abellio 9734-9737 are currently at Battersea garage
Quote from: Ex BC driver on May 25, 2014, 03:54:59 PM
Abellio 9734-9737 are currently at Battersea garage
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14257077561/ - 9734
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14073813577/in/photostream/ - 9735
Quote from: John on May 25, 2014, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: 4Q on May 25, 2014, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Noted on Rail Replacement today in Wolverhampton:
101/2/7/8/10/14/17/21
107 came into the bus station from the Exit on Pipers Row so he must have been lost!
There should be an Olympian out too, 361 I think
361 and 365 are out.
363 also.
Finally got a Pic of 121 as well!!
364 and 381 were out too. I think pretty much everything but a Spectra was out today.
113 noted @ Wolverhampton Bus Station about 18:30
@Nathan Is it on rail replacement.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 25, 2014, 03:59:18 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on May 25, 2014, 03:54:59 PM
Abellio 9734-9737 are currently at Battersea garage
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14257077561/ - 9734
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14073813577/in/photostream/ - 9735
I spy Mr T. Found out these are on rail replacement for South West Trains
108,113,117,361 and 907 noted on Rail Replacement in Wolverhampton this morning between 09:20 and 09:40.
108,117 and 907 were parked up on Tower St (Banga Services bus stops)
Does the rail replacement continue past today? Does it operate again next weekend?
101, 105, 364, 365 and the Central Buses trident were also out today
Nothing major til the redditch blockade
@fleetline6477 the rail replacement services were just for Sunday and Bank Holiday Monday. Normal service has resumed now ::D
An Olympian got onto the 22 this afternoon (Tues)
365 did half a journey on the 22 this evening running 40 minutes late.
108,112,113,115,116 on todays 50
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Wow. Epic fail to him :)
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU)
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Watch the video and read the caption, Dom, before saying my judgment is "harsh".
(the content owner disabled ratings as it was getting too many negative ratings!)
Diamond certainly seem to be winning the 'bringing customers into Merry Hill' competition while I was there today.
Green Bus 104 arrived with on concessionary card holder on board, 103 arrived 30 minutes later with 1 mother and child on board.
The three Diamond 002s I saw had between 18 & 30 passengers on.
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU)
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Watch the video and read the caption, Dom, before saying my judgment is "harsh".
(the content owner disabled ratings as it was getting too many negative ratings!)
I did, I don't want to argue but two sayings:
If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything!
Treat people how you want to be treated!
103 just failed on windmill hill...according to the driver he's ran out of fuel heading city bound
Correction - he's just gone past me at Drews Holloway right infront of 30826.
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU)
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Watch the video and read the caption, Dom, before saying my judgment is "harsh".
(the content owner disabled ratings as it was getting too many negative ratings!)
I did, I don't want to argue but two sayings:
If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything!
Treat people how you want to be treated!
You're telling me that, and not the creator of the video? Well done, good logic.
Of course, if the video was made to slag off NX, then there'd be mass uproar...
As an aside, I think the 22 is going to be a even bigger flop when it comes to any halesowen to harborne market as Hansons are doubling their 004 and NXWM run 3 buses a hour on that corridor anyway!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 07, 2014, 06:12:17 PM
103 just failed on windmill hill...according to the driver he's ran out of fuel heading city bound
Correction - he's just gone past me at Drews Holloway right infront of 30826.
103 was blowing out clouds of black smoke every time the driver touched the accelerator when I saw it at Merry Hill, so it was less than healthy
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU)
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Watch the video and read the caption, Dom, before saying my judgment is "harsh".
(the content owner disabled ratings as it was getting too many negative ratings!)
I did, I don't want to argue but two sayings:
If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything!
Treat people how you want to be treated!
You're telling me that, and not the creator of the video? Well done, good logic.
Of course, if the video was made to slag off NX, then there'd be mass uproar...
No it was his honest OPINIONS and as he stated HIS OPINIONS not your not anyone else's just HIS OPINIONS, so next time Matt keep your opinions to yourself.
I completely agree with him, he actually talks a lot of sense
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 07, 2014, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 07, 2014, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 06, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
Just thought I'd share something I found on Youtube...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i95RECU8qU)
Some people really have too much time on their hands! What rubbish, it almost made me laugh
Thats a bit harsh, how would you like it if someone said something to you on one of your videos.
Watch the video and read the caption, Dom, before saying my judgment is "harsh".
(the content owner disabled ratings as it was getting too many negative ratings!)
I did, I don't want to argue but two sayings:
If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything!
Treat people how you want to be treated!
You're telling me that, and not the creator of the video? Well done, good logic.
Of course, if the video was made to slag off NX, then there'd be mass uproar...
No it was his honest OPINIONS and as he stated HIS OPINIONS not your not anyone else's just HIS OPINIONS, so next time Matt keep your opinions to yourself.
I completely agree with him, he actually talks a lot of sense
You really aren't making any sense and just contradicted yourself, so just give it up.
His comments clearly highlighted any negative aspects of the operation without mentioning any positives. He exaggerated some points showing clear bias against TGB.
What I find even more astonishing is that one of his older videos is a cab view supposedly of himself driving a TGB Trident!
End of conversation - any more comments either for or against will be deleted
Anyone who wants to watch the 50 service review here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmVRgr4i6k&src_vid=0i95RECU8qU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_811378237
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on June 07, 2014, 07:11:54 PM
Anyone who wants to watch the 50 service review here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmVRgr4i6k&src_vid=0i95RECU8qU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_811378237
I wonder if he was at some point sacked from driving at TGB.
Randomly unrelated now but I saw 106 today and it has gained an orange LED on the front but kept the Green on the back.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 07, 2014, 07:20:28 PM
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on June 07, 2014, 07:11:54 PM
Anyone who wants to watch the 50 service review here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmVRgr4i6k&src_vid=0i95RECU8qU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_811378237 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmVRgr4i6k&src_vid=0i95RECU8qU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_811378237)
I wonder if he was at some point sacked from driving at TGB.
Randomly unrelated now but I saw 106 today and it has gained an orange LED on the front but kept the Green on the back.
It's had it for a bit now, I'm not sure exactly when it was changed. Shame as I prefer the green LEDs. I hope the Ollys keep theirs.
VOSA is notifying timetable changes to 22 from 7th July. Any idea what these are?
929 been on the 50 all afternoon/evening
502 is on the 22 again today if of interest to anyone. Should be the 16:05 from Town Hall.
when i try all the videos link they are saying This video is unavailable. !!!!!?
Quote from: Jon on June 11, 2014, 04:18:12 PM
when i try all the videos link they are saying This video is unavailable. !!!!!?
Presumably the creator has removed them
TGB have had Centro staff on the 22 checking passes recently. No idea if they're on the 50 too.
106,107,110,116,117,118 on 50
NK51UCX on rail replacement work today. Barnt Green-Alvechurch-Redditch.
202 on 22 again, 1231, 1501 etc from city.
EDIT - well, it was!!
@945am this morning green bus 111
Had a major oil leak from the o/s/r
Of this bus
I was travelling on the no 10 KX08HMF(122)
And it slid on tgb111 oil trail
The driver of the WMSNT no10 alerted the driver
Of the green bus, that he had a major oil leak
After parking up in harborne outside Walter smith
Butchers after losing all his oil, he then carried on
For a further mile or two and parked up just after
Harborne hill school on the path
Defiantly not good for the engine on the bus
He also left the pool and trail of oil and DID NOT
Report it or attempt to do anything with it
I think this as a professional driver is very bad
And had no care for other road users
He shouldn't be on the road!!!
Just Confirmed 111 blown engine
Quote from: Rainman13 on June 16, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
@945am this morning green bus 111
Had a major oil leak from the o/s/r
Of this bus
I was travelling on the no 10 KX08HMF(122)
And it slid on tgb111 oil trail
The driver of the WMSNT no10 alerted the driver
Of the green bus, that he had a major oil leak
After parking up in harborne outside Walter smith
Butchers after losing all his oil, he then carried on
For a further mile or two and parked up just after
Harborne hill school on the path
Defiantly not good for the engine on the bus
He also left the pool and trail of oil and DID NOT
Report it or attempt to do anything with it
I think this as a professional driver is very bad
And had no care for other road users
He shouldn't be on the road!!!
How do you know he didn't report it?
Who are you to say he shouldn't be on the road?
Perhaps he thought he was better off stopping it away from the busy High St?
Quote from: andy on June 16, 2014, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Rainman13 on June 16, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
@945am this morning green bus 111
Had a major oil leak from the o/s/r
Of this bus
I was travelling on the no 10 KX08HMF(122)
And it slid on tgb111 oil trail
The driver of the WMSNT no10 alerted the driver
Of the green bus, that he had a major oil leak
After parking up in harborne outside Walter smith
Butchers after losing all his oil, he then carried on
For a further mile or two and parked up just after
Harborne hill school on the path
Defiantly not good for the engine on the bus
He also left the pool and trail of oil and DID NOT
Report it or attempt to do anything with it
I think this as a professional driver is very bad
And had no care for other road users
He shouldn't be on the road!!!
How do you know he didn't report it?
Who are you to say he shouldn't be on the road?
Perhaps he thought he was better off stopping it away from the busy High St?
But surely the rule is, if you have an oil leak, you don't move the vehicle. Who has paid for the roads to be cleared of the oil.
Now TGB have a massive repair bill for the bus.
The bus was in a safe convenient place
And he possible made the engine worse
By driving further then needed
And been a professional driver should no
Better
206 & 452 have been on the 22 today, alongside regulars 101, 102, 112, 118
907 was seen heading up the A4124 Lichfield Rd past Wednesfield High School just after 3PM going towards Ashmore Park/Bloxwich
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
907 was seen heading up the A4124 Lichfield Rd past Wednesfield High School just after 3PM going towards Ashmore Park/Bloxwich
They're out on private hires every day. You could see them anywhere. Alternatively it could have been heading from a PH drop off to a school.
Quote from: Matt on June 18, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
907 was seen heading up the A4124 Lichfield Rd past Wednesfield High School just after 3PM going towards Ashmore Park/Bloxwich
They're out on private hires every day. You could see them anywhere. Alternatively it could have been heading from a PH drop off to a school.
Yes i am aware they are used on PH every day :) Was just odd to see one over this way. Cheers for the added info though :)
Im currently on board 929 on the 50
452 is enjoying a rare Saturday on the 22.
@Matt what's it's due times at merry hill???
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 21, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
@Matt what's it's due times at merry hill???
@the trainbasher it was the 10:45 ex Halesowen to Merry Hill, so would be 11:24, 13:54, 16:24, 18:54 22E from Merry Hill. Don't get too excited, it's an absolute shed!
@Matt cheers. Might head out in a bit as it's nice to see something different to a trident :-)
206-22
Do TGB actually run a timetable on the 50? I only ask, as this morning as I got to work at 8:25am, there were two Green Buses following each other up Bradford Street and turning onto Moseley Road, then about a minute later another one appeared! ???
Quote from: Stu on June 21, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Do TGB actually run a timetable on the 50? I only ask, as this morning as I got to work at 8:25am, there were two Green Buses following each other up Bradford Street and turning onto Moseley Road, then about a minute later another one appeared! ???
Yes, they do. You'll be surprised to learn that the 50 is actually a very congested and delay-prone route, so buses running together from any of the operators is no rare occurance!
One of them may also have been a duplicate working, which I know are permitted up to 9:30am
Quote from: Matt on June 21, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 21, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Do TGB actually run a timetable on the 50? I only ask, as this morning as I got to work at 8:25am, there were two Green Buses following each other up Bradford Street and turning onto Moseley Road, then about a minute later another one appeared! ???
Yes, they do. You'll be surprised to learn that the 50 is actually a very congested and delay-prone route, so buses running together from any of the operators is no rare occurance!
One of them may also have been a duplicate working, which I know are permitted up to 9:30am
Not this morning it wasn't. NXWM didn't have a single bus arrive in City more than 5 late until after 10:30, and the maximum lateness all day on the 50 was 8 minutes
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 21, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 21, 2014, 06:59:39 PM
Do TGB actually run a timetable on the 50? I only ask, as this morning as I got to work at 8:25am, there were two Green Buses following each other up Bradford Street and turning onto Moseley Road, then about a minute later another one appeared! ???
Yes, they do. You'll be surprised to learn that the 50 is actually a very congested and delay-prone route, so buses running together from any of the operators is no rare occurance!
One of them may also have been a duplicate working, which I know are permitted up to 9:30am
Not this morning it wasn't. NXWM didn't have a single bus arrive in City more than 5 late until after 10:30, and the maximum lateness all day on the 50 was 8 minutes
I must admit 3 buses within a couple of minutes of each other that early on a Saturday morning does seem odd (I lose track of what day of the week it is these days!). I can't really offer an explanation
on sunday 6th july due to engineering works between Walsall and rugeley trent valley.
The green bus will be operating rail replacements on the day
Today's allocations (can give exact departure times if anyone wants)
50 - 108, 109, 110, 112, 113, 114, 116
22 - 115, 117, 119, 452, 502
907 booked to do 50E Kings Heath church to Wythall if anyone interested, 15:50 Kings Heath
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
@Matt Any news on 111?
@Stuharris 6360 tracker says it's at depot, will see if I can find it in a mo
Quote from: Matt on June 23, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
@Matt Any news on 111?
@Stuharris 6360 tracker says it's at depot, will see if I can find it in a mo
Sure I followed it NIS leaving Halesowen this morning
Was just wondering after reports of a blown engine on it?
@Stuharris 6360 @wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) just taken a quick walk round the site, found 111 sitting in the corner of the garage with an engineer up its rear end, doesn't look like it's been anywhere recently
Metrobus 464 has left green bus to PVS for scrap
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729842377055261&set=a.232130366826467.55165.229823893723781&type=1&theater
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 23, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
Metrobus 464 has left green bus to PVS for scrap
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729842377055261&set=a.232130366826467.55165.229823893723781&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=729842377055261&set=a.232130366826467.55165.229823893723781&type=1&theater)
The last one owned by TGB
Has this had parts taken off to help preserve the other one?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 23, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Has this had parts taken off to help preserve the other one?
The other two remaining on site are both privately owned, so any donated parts would have had to be bought by the respective owners. I don't know if this has happened or not
201 currently being towed back from Drayton Manor
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 02:50:49 PM
201 currently being towed back from Drayton Manor
Brakes gone!
202 was at The Radleys this morning it followed the 17 (towards Tile Cross) so far down then stopped about halfway not sure what for though.
Quote from: Rob on June 25, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
202 was at The Radleys this morning it followed the 17 (towards Tile Cross) so far down then stopped about halfway not sure what for though.
202 did the CH4 this morning, then a 50X, then took some kids from Valley Infant School to Sheldon Heath Country Park. Its now sat at Woodrush about to do another 50X.
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2014, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Rob on June 25, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
202 was at The Radleys this morning it followed the 17 (towards Tile Cross) so far down then stopped about halfway not sure what for though.
202 did the CH4 this morning, then a 50X, then took some kids from Valley Infant School to Sheldon Heath Country Park. Its now sat at Woodrush about to do another 50X.
That explains it Thanks buddy :) Thought I'd mention it as its odd to see a dd down that road as there is 2 low bridges
104-FW2
502-50
You may find 502 becomes increasingly familiar with the 50 through the summer months. I'll let you all guess why.
Is 502 SQP compliant??
Cheers Tony, I didn't know where it had come from. It's the same story with our ex Metroline and ex Abellio Tridents which have euro 2 engines, but are allowed into the city centre.
101-105 being ex Reading are the only Tridents not technically allowed on the 50
203 has decided to follow me this week, Yesterday I go to Drayton Manor. Today I'm stood on Aldridge Road and here's 203
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/203.html
Two photos in two days, after never catching it before
Quote from: Tony on June 25, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
203 has decided to follow me this week, Yesterday I go to Drayton Manor. Today I'm stood on Aldridge Road and here's 203
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/203.html
Two photos in two days, after never catching it before
good shot tony
I captured 111 at moor street after on 50 running empty back to depot
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14320894848/
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Cheers Tony, I didn't know where it had come from. It's the same story with our ex Metroline and ex Abellio Tridents which have euro 2 engines, but are allowed into the city centre.
101-105 being ex Reading are the only Tridents not technically allowed on the 50
But 101-5 are 51 plate so will be euro3 anyway therefore allowed!
Imagine the spectras/olympians are the only vehicles not meant to be on there...
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 25, 2014, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Cheers Tony, I didn't know where it had come from. It's the same story with our ex Metroline and ex Abellio Tridents which have euro 2 engines, but are allowed into the city centre.
101-105 being ex Reading are the only Tridents not technically allowed on the 50
But 101-5 are 51 plate so will be euro3 anyway therefore allowed!
Imagine the spectras/olympians are the only vehicles not meant to be on there...
101-5 are Euro 2 engined i think
They were built at the end of 2001 though? I thought all vehicles at that time were euro3? Certainly darts were and NX tridents were back at Y reg?
DiamondDart... I love how you can tell what type of engine a bus has from its numberplate. As I said their engines are euro 2. Arriva's 51 plate darts at Wednesfield are too if you want another example
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
DiamondDart... I love how you can tell what type of engine a bus has from its numberplate. As I said their engines are euro 2. Arriva's 51 plate darts at Wednesfield are too if you want another example
The numberplate must surely be important-those euro regs are inextricably linked with when vehicles are delivered. If it is within a certain window, they have to comply with that regulation.
They're very rare in that though-I bet you'd struggle to find more examples of 51 plate original style MPDs.
Interestingly enough, didn't Dennis come under criticism at the time for switching to euro3 straight away, as opposed to allowing operators to order euro2 up until the deadline?
The fact is, if those Petes darts were built at the end of 2001, they would be euro3. The only way they wouldn't be is if they were bought as dealer stock and registered prior to entering service.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 25, 2014, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 25, 2014, 10:36:42 PM
DiamondDart... I love how you can tell what type of engine a bus has from its numberplate. As I said their engines are euro 2. Arriva's 51 plate darts at Wednesfield are too if you want another example
The numberplate must surely be important-those euro regs are inextricably linked with when vehicles are delivered. If it is within a certain window, they have to comply with that regulation.
They're very rare in that though-I bet you'd struggle to find more examples of 51 plate original style MPDs.
Interestingly enough, didn't Dennis come under criticism at the time for switching to euro3 straight away, as opposed to allowing operators to order euro2 up until the deadline?
The fact is, if those Petes darts were built at the end of 2001, they would be euro3. The only way they wouldn't be is if they were bought as dealer stock and registered prior to entering service.
Yes but as you said it is still possible. So you can't just assume a bus has a particular engine from its reg.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 25, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
They were built at the end of 2001 though? I thought all vehicles at that time were euro3? Certainly darts were and NX tridents were back at Y reg?
They were built a long time before 2001, they might have been first registered in 2001 but that is different, have a look at the chassis number in the fleetlist they are between 720 and 800. V894HLH which was at Redditch is chassis number 803 and the V-KGWs in Green bus' own fleet are mixed in amongst them
Two new additions to the fleet come today
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 12:37:28 PM
Two new additions to the fleet come today
Any clues to what they are :D
Quote from: John on June 26, 2014, 12:40:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 12:37:28 PM
Two new additions to the fleet come today
Any clues to what they are :D
They haven't come from far away
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
The one I've seen is an R reg
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
The one I've seen is an R reg
R seems quite old to be acquiring and putting vehicles into service...
An R reg......... dart? b6? :P Something else?
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
The one I've seen is an R reg
R seems quite old to be acquiring and putting vehicles into service...
An R reg......... dart? b6? :P Something else?
Something else ;)
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
The one I've seen is an R reg
R seems quite old to be acquiring and putting vehicles into service...
An R reg......... dart? b6? :P Something else?
Something else ;)
Volvo?
Scania?
MAN?
Mercedes?
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
Ooh...any more clues?
Dennis Darts would be my guess or is it something more heavy duty?
The one I've seen is an R reg
R seems quite old to be acquiring and putting vehicles into service...
An R reg......... dart? b6? :P Something else?
Something else ;)
Volvo?
Scania?
MAN?
Mercedes?
None of the above
I think you may be better off telling me now!! ;)
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:20:55 PM
I think you may be better off telling me now!! ;)
They haven't come very far at all..........
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos :o To allow plenty of room for the 22's busiest loads :P
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Nope! You're missing the obvious.
Is it optare excels? Looking at EYMS's fleet, 2 R reg plates excels off the road as from 18/06/14
Quote from: Sayeed on June 26, 2014, 01:50:00 PM
Is it optare excels? Looking at EYMS's fleet, 2 R reg plates excels off the road as from 18/06/14
No!
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
DTS ALX200s?
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Eh Tony, stop trying to steal my ideas..... :P
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Nope. You've all missed the obvious.
I never said they were buses!
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So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Nope. You've all missed the obvious.
I never said they were buses!
Now that's a curveball!
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Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Nope. You've all missed the obvious.
I never said they were buses!
Milk Floats?
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 02:02:23 PM
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Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Nope. You've all missed the obvious.
I never said they were buses!
Milk Floats?
Unless it's a Hackney carriage!
Quote from: Winston on June 26, 2014, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
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Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 26, 2014, 01:27:45 PM
So, single deck, R reg, local vehicles, not volvos, scanias, MANs, mercs and not dennis darts either...
I mean they could be Optare Solos ex NX :o
Nope. When I say local, I mean local!
I'm struggling... I can't really think of any common chassis makers I've missed out that were building back in 1998! As for it being local...well that makes it even harder.
Unless it is the old R reg ie ......R
Well there is Dennis (but not Darts) and Optare
Or DAF's & VIP is the most local to TGB.
They've actually come from an even closer source than VIP
The only people closer than VIP are anyone sharing your yard or Scrap Merchants... R reg DAFs...?
Nope. You've all missed the obvious.
I never said they were buses!
Milk Floats?
Haha, nope!
2 cars for inspectors/drivers
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
2 cars for inspectors/drivers
Near enough. It's a couple of cabs from the taxi place round the back!
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:10:16 PM
2 cars for inspectors/drivers
Near enough. It's a couple of cabs from the taxi place round the back!
Plenty big enough for the 22 if they're desperate.
And
@Tony-were Dennis building any single decks not darts back in 1998? Lances for export possibly...
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
All I know is someone specifically requested the open topper.
By the way, which bus spotter just phoned in asking about taxi services?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
Given the weather forecast, will probably spend the weekend having it's roof put back on!
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Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
All I know is someone specifically requested the open topper.
By the way, which bus spotter just phoned in asking about taxi services?
ive just phoned asking if I can look around their depot this Saturday but they said no due to limited staff
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
All I know is someone specifically requested the open topper.
By the way, which bus spotter just phoned in asking about taxi services?
ive just phoned asking if I can look around their depot this Saturday but they said no due to limited staff
Yes I was listening, another bloke phoned before you asking about taxis. Haven't you already been round here anyway?
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Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
All I know is someone specifically requested the open topper.
By the way, which bus spotter just phoned in asking about taxi services?
ive just phoned asking if I can look around their depot this Saturday but they said no due to limited staff
Yes I was listening, another bloke phoned before you asking about taxis. Haven't you already been round here anyway?
yes ive been round there before just wanted to go again
btw are you on work experience at TGB?
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Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 26, 2014, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Also 365 has been deroofed for the weekend. Was due to do PM FW5 service but been swapped at last minute as the school don't want an open topper!!
And 202's gone out on the 22
whats 365 gonna do over the weekend?
All I know is someone specifically requested the open topper.
By the way, which bus spotter just phoned in asking about taxi services?
ive just phoned asking if I can look around their depot this Saturday but they said no due to limited staff
Yes I was listening, another bloke phoned before you asking about taxis. Haven't you already been round here anyway?
yes ive been round there before just wanted to go again
btw are you on work experience at TGB?
No not work experience, I volunteer regularly. They've known me for ages here.
Spectra on the 22 halesowen bound about 100 yards ahead of my number 9 on manor lane.
Edit - just caught up at the Manor way lights and it's 202!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 26, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Spectra on the 22 halesowen bound about 100 yards ahead of my number 9 on manor lane.
Edit - just caught up at the Manor way lights and it's 202!!
Yeah, I did post when it got sent out earlier. I was surprised there was a Spectra free from private hires.
By the way, 365 has gone topless as it's taking staff including myself down to Reading for the open day on Sunday.
Yesterday afternoon I caught the 1454 22 Merry Hill - Birmingham which is shown on the timetable to be FW1 and operating via KEFW vSchool. It just operated the normal line of route. It dropped the last passengers off at the bottom of Jiggins Lane and didn't stop again until Town Hall.
Are Green Bus putting out any publicity encouraging people to travel to / from Birmingham on their buses to minimise delays with Tunnel closures affecting Gt. Charles Street?
Volvo Olympian 907 was on the 50 this afternoon - saw it leaving Moor Street for the Maypole around 1645.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on June 27, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
Volvo Olympian 907 was on the 50 this afternoon - saw it leaving Moor Street for the Maypole around 1645.
Expect more of the same, there is a big shortage of vehicles at the moment. Private hires are completely sold out through the summer, plus First are nabbing 15 low floor vehicles for the Commonwealth Games and there'll be 3 on the Redditch - Longbridge rail rep (for which I spent Monday & Tuesday setting up drivers duties, running boards and destination displays)
Also, 113 spent this evening at KEFW school with myself, Ian and a couple of staff members promoting TGB and providing information to prospective parents about the school services. NX were also present with their 4905. I'm doing the same at KE Aston school tomorrow morning (hopefully with 121!), then on Monday evening I'm representing TGB by myself at Queen Mary's Grammar School up Walsall.
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Quote from: Justin Tyme on June 27, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
Volvo Olympian 907 was on the 50 this afternoon - saw it leaving Moor Street for the Maypole around 1645.
Expect more of the same, there is a big shortage of vehicles at the moment. Private hires are completely sold out through the summer, plus First are nabbing 15 low floor vehicles for the Commonwealth Games and there'll be 3 on the Redditch - Longbridge rail rep (for which I spent Monday & Tuesday setting up drivers duties, running boards and destination displays)
Also, 113 spent this evening at KEFW school with myself, Ian and a couple of staff members promoting TGB and providing information to prospective parents about the school services. NX were also present with their 4905. I'm doing the same at KE Aston school tomorrow morning (hopefully with 121!), then on Monday evening I'm representing TGB by myself at Queen Mary's Grammar School up Walsall.
Has the duty start and end been changed over to Longbridge now then Matt?
Which 3 r to be used On the rail replacement
Service
@Russ Smith Yes I made sure all changeovers are in Longbridge. However the buses will of course run private to/from Redditch. If I'd done it further in advance I'd have asked to register 3 early morning 50trips City - Maypole & the reverse late at night to reduce dead mileage.
@Solo1 I don't know but I doubt they'll be low floor!!
Quote from: Matt on June 27, 2014, 11:50:40 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on June 27, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
Volvo Olympian 907 was on the 50 this afternoon - saw it leaving Moor Street for the Maypole around 1645.
Expect more of the same, there is a big shortage of vehicles at the moment. Private hires are completely sold out through the summer, plus First are nabbing 15 low floor vehicles for the Commonwealth Games and there'll be 3 on the Redditch - Longbridge rail rep (for which I spent Monday & Tuesday setting up drivers duties, running boards and destination displays)
Also, 113 spent this evening at KEFW school with myself, Ian and a couple of staff members promoting TGB and providing information to prospective parents about the school services. NX were also present with their 4905. I'm doing the same at KE Aston school tomorrow morning (hopefully with 121!), then on Monday evening I'm representing TGB by myself at Queen Mary's Grammar School up Walsall.
Surely the 15 low floor deckers working on Commonwealth Games shuttles will leave TGB only enough to cover the 50 & the 22 will have majority steppers during that period.
Have First subcontracted the Redditch rail replacement contract to TGB? as I thought they'd won it?
Is there not any likelihood of TGB buying any more low floor deckers in the near future to ensure that the 22 is consistantly allocated low floors and the could also then look at tagging on the Colmore Row loop
Makes more sense switching at Longbridge, can't understand why I couldn't just put it down as Longbridge in the first place haha.
New 22 timetable (and sort of route) a week Monday (I think it was then anyway), they shouldn't have many issues with not having enough low-floors for the 22 then.
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 28, 2014, 11:23:14 AM
Makes more sense switching at Longbridge, can't understand why I couldn't just put it down as Longbridge in the first place haha.
New 22 timetable (and sort of route) a week Monday (I think it was then anyway), they shouldn't have many issues with not having enough low-floors for the 22 then.
Someone told me there was a Russ down on work exp. last week, I gather that was yourself?
Aye, just a week between switching jobs, wondering what I did wrong to get mentioned now haha
What's the change with the 22
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 28, 2014, 12:17:50 PM
Aye, just a week between switching jobs, wondering what I did wrong to get mentioned now haha
Nothing, I think it was just a passing mention!
Quote from: Solo1 on June 28, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
What's the change with the 22
Wait & see!
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 28, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
What's the change with the 22
Wait & see!
Looking forward to seeing those Green Taxi's on there...
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108,113 I spotted on 50
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 28, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
108,113 I spotted on 50
They are regulars on the 50 mate :)
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Please tell me it's being cancelled.
Quote from: NXDom on June 28, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Please tell me it's being cancelled.
Now that wouldn't surprise me!
Quote from: Nathan on June 28, 2014, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 28, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Please tell me it's being cancelled.
Now that wouldn't surprise me!
No.
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 28, 2014, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 28, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Please tell me it's being cancelled.
Now that wouldn't surprise me!
No.
Well damn and blast!
Quote from: NXDom on June 29, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 28, 2014, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: NXDom on June 28, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 28, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
I wish I hadn't told you all about the taxis now. They are nothing significant, just to ease transport of drivers which is getting expensive!!
Oh and you'll all be surprised by the 22 "change".
Look out for topless 365 out and about tomorrow. Weather is forecast good, it's leaving depot at 6:30am, picking me up from home at 6:50 and should be back from Reading around 6pm. Hopefully 365 will provide a slightly quicker journey than Metrobus 462 did last year!
Please tell me it's being cancelled.
Now that wouldn't surprise me!
No.
Well damn and blast!
Colmore Row?
The moderators are currently getting complaints about this thread now as it is meant to be one about an operator and not a guessing game one.
Can we keep this one to facts, and start a new thread in the general discussions for guessing games?
John. It's registered on VOSA as a Timetable change only. You would think a week before the timetables change on both the 22 & 50 that TGB might actually bother to notify their customers of the change so they can see if will affect them in advance.
Technically I suppose the 22 isn't a route change, but the timetable's certainly new. Hopefully with Diamond (I hear) pulling off the 50, TGB's will be a real contender for NX with the improved frequency from next Monday
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 01:05:30 PM
Technically I suppose the 22 isn't a route change, but the timetable's certainly new. Hopefully with Diamond (I hear) pulling off the 50, TGB's will be a real contender for NX with the improved frequency from next Monday
And they are withdrawing the Wythall extension. Any idea what the improved frequency will be?
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on June 29, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 01:05:30 PM
Technically I suppose the 22 isn't a route change, but the timetable's certainly new. Hopefully with Diamond (I hear) pulling off the 50, TGB's will be a real contender for NX with the improved frequency from next Monday
And they are withdrawing the Wythall extension. Any idea what the improved frequency will be?
From WCC Website:
6th July 2014
Service 50 (Green Bus) Wythall–Maypole-Birmingham
This commercial service will be withdrawn from Worcestershire and will only operate between
the Maypole and Birmingham City Centre. The only journeys in Worcestershire will operate
to/from Woodrush High School as Services 50X and 50Y
or a journey on Service 50 until the 18thJuly 2014.Services X50 and 150, operated by Johnsons, will be unchanged
22 is operating hourly from 7th July
Quote from: gac_uk on June 29, 2014, 05:52:33 PM
22 is operating hourly from 7th July
Thanks Geoff, that will put end to all the guessing. Can't see it being even less popular as an hourly service.
No doubt the buses made redundant are being re-deployed on the 50.
Quote from: gac_uk on June 29, 2014, 05:52:33 PM
22 is operating hourly from 7th July
Indeed...puts an end to the stupid guesswork!!
Beginning of the end for that route I'd guess...
Presumably with the info yet to be released by them that leaves regular customers or those with passes 7 days or so to make other travel plans...
Perhaps they should re route it through saltwells now to cover the 297 section being cut.
50 is to be every 6 minutes with slightly longer operating hours, to Maypole only. 22's peak-only as a commuter service, between Halesowen and Birmingham only, four journeys daily (can't remember, but I think some of these four are Bartley Green part routes anyway). Terminus is still Town Hall.
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
50 is to be every 6 minutes with slightly longer operating hours, to Maypole only. 22's peak-only as a commuter service, between Halesowen and Birmingham only, four journeys daily (can't remember, but I think some of these four are Bartley Green part routes anyway). Terminus is still Town Hall.
I would think that NX may well respond to that frequency increase
When/if Diamond leave the 50 (I've heard they well, no idea when or even if they already have, nobody would notice) it'd still be the same number of buses per hour between Maypole and city, just in the form of stronger competition. I doubt it'd make sense economically for NX to increase their frequency long-term, so I'd imagine new buses or promotional tickets would be the only way for them to retain the large upper hand.
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 08:09:03 PM
When/if Diamond leave the 50 (I've heard they well, no idea when or even if they already have, nobody would notice) it'd still be the same number of buses per hour between Maypole and city, just in the form of stronger competition. I doubt it'd make sense economically for NX to increase their frequency long-term, so I'd imagine new buses or promotional tickets would be the only way for them to retain the large upper hand.
No cancellations from Diamond have been submitted to VOSA as yet, so they will be around for at least another two months (56 days) even if one was to go in Monday. If NX did increase their frequency, it would only be for long enough until TGB reduced theirs or moved off the 50.
I suspect the 50 will now become priority for new double deckers, possibly even E400 MMC's & upgraded to a 'Gold Corridor'. I agree it is also likely that NX will also introduce promotional singles/return cash fares etc
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 08:09:03 PM
When/if Diamond leave the 50 (I've heard they well, no idea when or even if they already have, nobody would notice) it'd still be the same number of buses per hour between Maypole and city, just in the form of stronger competition. I doubt it'd make sense economically for NX to increase their frequency long-term, so I'd imagine new buses or promotional tickets would be the only way for them to retain the large upper hand.
Come on, they would notice. Diamond do have some loyal customers on the 50 with season tickets and I don't think you can predict cancellations like that until they have appeared on VOSA. I doubt the 50 will be cancelled by Diamond somehow-Greenbus may be increasing their frequency but will their loadings increase by the same amount? They seem patchy at times as it is!
If they were to up the frequency to every 6 mins, NX would try to see them off one of their most important routes with returns/weeklies/monthlies just for the 50, as they did on the 37/59 and even 9.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 29, 2014, 08:25:37 PM
Diamond do have some loyal customers on the 50.
Diamond 50 is the only 50 I use unless im filming a rare olympian so Id notice! Hopefully Diamond are slowly pulling back some passengers with the 2 journies for £2 offer. Imagine how boring the 50 would be for us enthusiasts if it was just enviros and knackered ex london rubbish on it! I do think it's only a matter of time before nxwm respond. One other thing I would say is have green bus given a thought to stops MS1 and MS2 in town, it is bad enough watching buses now trying to get a space let alone once the frequency has gone up!
I would personally have done one of two things.
- Scrap the 22 and stop wasting money!
- Copy the 002, route number and frequency.
Quote from: Andrew on June 29, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Perhaps they should re route it through saltwells now to cover the 297 section being cut.
Yep, can't believe NXWM are going to leave this section without a replacement as I know for a fact it's well used by people there.
I don't think the 22 will run at all by this time next year...
Quote from: trident4370 on June 29, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 29, 2014, 08:25:37 PM
Diamond do have some loyal customers on the 50.
Diamond 50 is the only 50 I use unless im filming a rare olympian so Id notice! Hopefully Diamond are slowly pulling back some passengers with the 2 journies for £2 offer. Imagine how boring the 50 would be for us enthusiasts if it was just enviros and knackered ex london rubbish on it! I do think it's only a matter of time before nxwm respond. One other thing I would say is have green bus given a thought to stops MS1 and MS2 in town, it is bad enough watching buses now trying to get a space let alone once the frequency has gone up!
I agree-it is totally ridiculous especially when drivers sit on stand and fill out VCR's. Diamond have tried to ease the problem by ensuring driver changes are not done on those stops...
How is copying the 002 useful
@Matt? When diamond already offer cheaper returns what USP is there?
I agree
@the trainbasher!! I also wonder if upping the 50 frequency could cause a NX reaction as well which could not ultimately be advantageous.
I'm surprised though that the TGB 22 was one minute said to be carrying decent loads/attacking diamond etc and now it's a big loss maker?!!! That sure changed fast or perhaps it has been a dead route all along as I and others suggested!!
Couldnt agree more
@DiamondDart truth be told with the 50 I think TGB will become their own worst enemy but others will disagree and say Im talking cobblers. I also wonder if Centro will intervene regarding the stops in town, surely it can only get worse.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 29, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
Couldnt agree more @DiamondDart truth be told with the 50 I think TGB will become their own worst enemy but others will disagree and say Im talking cobblers. I also wonder if Centro will intervene regarding the stops in town, surely it can only get worse.
It seems like the worst possible place to have such busy stops as well. For a start, the sheer number of people waiting in such a small space often make it hard to actually walk past down to the stops below. I wonder if the 50 could be moved back up where the 16/424 etc now stop?
@DiamondDart many passengers hate Diamond on the 002 due mainly to their basic inability to run to a timetable. I still believe Diamond are open to attack on the 002 but to maximize revenue from the route customers would need to be made aware in as many ways as possible that the big green buses they see running around are simply the new & improved version of the 002! The service provided must also be of as high a quality as TGB are capable of, at the moment I don't think it is but with a bit of work it could be.
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point either the 50 or the 35/126 were moved tbh
Quote from: Matt on June 29, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
@DiamondDart many passengers hate Diamond on the 002 due mainly to their basic inability to run to a timetable. I still believe Diamond are open to attack on the 002 but to maximize revenue from the route customers would need to be made aware in as many ways as possible that the big green buses they see running around are simply the new & improved version of the 002! The service provided must also be of as high a quality as TGB are capable of, at the moment I don't think it is but with a bit of work it could be.
Surely if TGB ran the 002, they would also fall victim to the traffic between Merry Hill and Halesowen which affects all operators.
The issues with the 22 were as follows Matt:
1) Poor launch-no publicity, just random buses running round letting people on.
2) Poor vehicles-enthusiasts like lances/step entrance olympians but do members of the public with prams/OAPs etc?
3) No-one really knew, weeks after the launch, what the frequency was.
4) Poor route-tagging two routes together ended up trying to satisfy so many people it actually ended up not satisfying anyone.
And no,
@trident4370-it seems like that could be a solution, as especially the 126 stops with the 61/3 etc by the station anyway.
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
50 is to be every 6 minutes with slightly longer operating hours, to Maypole only. 22's peak-only as a commuter service, between Halesowen and Birmingham only, four journeys daily (can't remember, but I think some of these four are Bartley Green part routes anyway). Terminus is still Town Hall.
I would think that NX may well respond to that frequency increase
Maybe they already have responded with the introduction of the 24/7 timetable from 20th July?
Quote from: trident4370 on June 29, 2014, 10:00:50 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point either the 50 or the 35/126 were moved tbh
They've already changed the 126 enough as it is! ;)
Seeing as It has almost been like a game of musical bus stops on routes since the murder of Corporation St, One more change to the 126 would be nothing in Centros eyes! Plus the 10H could easily use the 16 stop by the Pavillions, infact it would make more sense.
@DiamondDart I agree entirely with all points you make there. They are amongst the issues which must, have and will be addressed. Publicity in particular was a bit of a non-event. The company has huge potential though, as long as the 'basics' can be nailed.
It is also worth remembering that local bus services are a tiny proportion of the company. The failure of the 22 is a mere drop in the ocean.
Don't forget
@DiamondDart the oversaturation of buses between Halesowen and Merry Hill (002 4bph, 004 2bph, 22 2bph, 141 2bph = 10bph between Merry Hill, Quarry Bank and Halesowen)
I am surpised that TGB did not look at the 35 instead of the 22
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 29, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
I am surpised that TGB did not look at the 35 instead of the 22
Please no!
Quote from: gac_uk on June 29, 2014, 10:07:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
50 is to be every 6 minutes with slightly longer operating hours, to Maypole only. 22's peak-only as a commuter service, between Halesowen and Birmingham only, four journeys daily (can't remember, but I think some of these four are Bartley Green part routes anyway). Terminus is still Town Hall.
I would think that NX may well respond to that frequency increase
Maybe they already have responded with the introduction of the 24/7 timetable from 20th July?
Centro have to approve time slots at the Moor Street stop, and if they say that the stop is already 'full' then VOSA will refuse the registration
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 29, 2014, 10:31:30 PM
Don't forget @DiamondDart the oversaturation of buses between Halesowen and Merry Hill (002 4bph, 004 2bph, 22 2bph, 141 2bph = 10bph between Merry Hill, Quarry Bank and Halesowen)
@the trainbasher I agree that there seem to be a lot but from my observations at least, it seems a busy corridor and whoever pulls into the stand towards Merry Hill-forget the letter-can get some decent loads. The Arriva 217 doesn't seem to do that badly either.
I am also surprised
@Matt that you agree with the points I raised! I agree that commercial bus operation is a small part of the company but I think TGB did have the basics sorted. The 64/50 launches, with leaflets etc, showed the company to be able to master the basics and do a great job of route selection and operation. Especially on the 64, some loyal customers were quickly built up. It just seemed to the casual observer as if the launch of the 22 showed things as actually going backwards on what had been achieved before.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 30, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 29, 2014, 10:31:30 PM
Don't forget @DiamondDart the oversaturation of buses between Halesowen and Merry Hill (002 4bph, 004 2bph, 22 2bph, 141 2bph = 10bph between Merry Hill, Quarry Bank and Halesowen)
@the trainbasher I agree that there seem to be a lot but from my observations at least, it seems a busy corridor and whoever pulls into the stand towards Merry Hill-forget the letter-can get some decent loads. The Arriva 217 doesn't seem to do that badly either.
I am also surprised @Matt that you agree with the points I raised! I agree that commercial bus operation is a small part of the company but I think TGB did have the basics sorted. The 64/50 launches, with leaflets etc, showed the company to be able to master the basics and do a great job of route selection and operation. Especially on the 64, some loyal customers were quickly built up. It just seemed to the casual observer as if the launch of the 22 showed things as actually going backwards on what had been achieved before.
I think the main purpose of the 22 was originally to give buses not suitable for private hire (i.e. Tridents) something to do during the day, instead of sitting around the garage gathering dust. Of course this then backfired with a shortage of buses (mainly due to Tridents failing here there and everywhere!), hence its significant cut-backs. The 22 was of course the lowest priority, which is likely to be why whenever there was a shortage of buses, the 22 was the first victim.
10 pages of shit later...
@Matt, what's new with TGB? Except for taxis.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 30, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
10 pages of shit later...
@Matt, what's new with TGB? Except for taxis.
Last time one bloke off here actually phoned in asking about taxi services, so I think I'll be keeping quiet from now on
@Liverpool Street!
Quote from: Matt on June 30, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 30, 2014, 09:33:20 PM
10 pages of shit later...
@Matt, what's new with TGB? Except for taxis.
Last time one bloke off here actually phoned in asking about taxi services, so I think I'll be keeping quiet from now on @Liverpool Street!
Was tempted to phone to ask how much is a Green Bus taxi from Town Hall to Moor Street is...but I think i will get the 10H :-)
You'd be quoted somewhere in the region of £200 for that
@the trainbasher, as your 'taxi' would have 70 seats! Besides, private hires are fully booked till at least September.
Quote from: Matt on June 30, 2014, 09:59:39 PM
You'd be quoted somewhere in the region of £200 for that @the trainbasher, as your 'taxi' would have 70 seats! Besides, private hires are fully booked till at least September.
I think I'll get the 10H :-)
As an aside, it will be interesting to see what the punters will say when the new changes come into force.
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
I understood there was an understanding between bus companies that drivers were allowed to travel for free. For example, NXWM drivers regularly travel on Diamond route 42A/C, 43 to / from Depot and 4H to / from Oldbury. Diamond drivers travel for free on the Metro and I've seen NXWM drivers get on the Green Bus 22 in / out of Merry Hill for free. So why are TGB drivers having to pay on NX buses and Metro, even if not in uniform just show their pass.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on June 30, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
I understood there was an understanding between bus companies that drivers were allowed to travel for free. For example, NXWM drivers regularly travel on Diamond route 42A/C, 43 to / from Depot and 4H to / from Oldbury. Diamond drivers travel for free on the Metro and I've seen NXWM drivers get on the Green Bus 22 in / out of Merry Hill for free. So why are TGB drivers having to pay on NX buses and Metro, even if not in uniform just show their pass.
I am not sure that drivers are technically allowed to hop on other operators buses. Even if they are, it is safer to have your own vehicles ready than to have to rely on public services.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on June 30, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
I understood there was an understanding between bus companies that drivers were allowed to travel for free. For example, NXWM drivers regularly travel on Diamond route 42A/C, 43 to / from Depot and 4H to / from Oldbury. Diamond drivers travel for free on the Metro and I've seen NXWM drivers get on the Green Bus 22 in / out of Merry Hill for free. So why are TGB drivers having to pay on NX buses and Metro, even if not in uniform just show their pass.
No, there is no such formal understanding, just drivers being friendly with each other
Quote from: Matt on June 30, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on June 30, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
I understood there was an understanding between bus companies that drivers were allowed to travel for free. For example, NXWM drivers regularly travel on Diamond route 42A/C, 43 to / from Depot and 4H to / from Oldbury. Diamond drivers travel for free on the Metro and I've seen NXWM drivers get on the Green Bus 22 in / out of Merry Hill for free. So why are TGB drivers having to pay on NX buses and Metro, even if not in uniform just show their pass.
I am not sure that drivers are technically allowed to hop on other operators buses. Even if they are, it is safer to have your own vehicles ready than to have to rely on public services.
There was a member of Green Bus staff on my train form Sutton Coldfield to New St the other day, in full uniform and hi viz.
WMPTE 6832 is parked at depot and Trent RC7927
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 05, 2014, 10:54:26 AM
WMPTE 6832 is parked at depot
Privately owned. Along with the ex Trent bus which left yesterday.
Quote from: Matt on July 05, 2014, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 05, 2014, 10:54:26 AM
WMPTE 6832 is parked at depot
Privately owned. Along with the ex Trent bus which left yesterday.
Thinks it's going Aston manor tomorrow for running day
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on June 30, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 26, 2014, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
So green bus now doing private hire with cabs as well as buses will
they b put into green bus livery
No! They're to be used where required, mainly to transport drivers to and from the city centre to save money on nBus/metro tickets.
I understood there was an understanding between bus companies that drivers were allowed to travel for free. For example, NXWM drivers regularly travel on Diamond route 42A/C, 43 to / from Depot and 4H to / from Oldbury. Diamond drivers travel for free on the Metro and I've seen NXWM drivers get on the Green Bus 22 in / out of Merry Hill for free. So why are TGB drivers having to pay on NX buses and Metro, even if not in uniform just show their pass.
No, there is no such formal understanding, just drivers being friendly with each other
Saw a Walsall based driver, who must live near me in Leamore, getting on a Diamond 301 from the Green Lane stop.
(It wasn't Mr Thacker by the way. He now lives abroad!)
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Quote from: Matt on July 07, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Yardley Wood have 4720 & 4731 out with them as well
Oh dear, 502 is on the 50 again
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: Matt on July 07, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Yardley Wood have 4720 & 4731 out with them as well
First WR have double deckers on the rail replacement service as well
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: Matt on July 07, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Yardley Wood have 4720 & 4731 out with them as well
First WR have double deckers on the rail replacement service as well
Central Buses too I hear
The taxis are also getting a run-around today!
Quote from: Matt on July 08, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: Matt on July 07, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Yardley Wood have 4720 & 4731 out with them as well
First WR have double deckers on the rail replacement service as well
Central Buses too I hear
The taxis are also getting a run-around today!
Don't start with those bloomin taxi's again...... :P
spotted TGB spectra at Coventry road 1520 torwards Yardley swan
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on June 29, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on June 29, 2014, 01:05:30 PM
Technically I suppose the 22 isn't a route change, but the timetable's certainly new. Hopefully with Diamond (I hear) pulling off the 50, TGB's will be a real contender for NX with the improved frequency from next Monday
And they are withdrawing the Wythall extension. Any idea what the improved frequency will be?
From WCC Website:
6th July 2014
Service 50 (Green Bus) Wythall–Maypole-Birmingham
This commercial service will be withdrawn from Worcestershire and will only operate between
the Maypole and Birmingham City Centre. The only journeys in Worcestershire will operate
to/from Woodrush High School as Services 50X and 50Y
or a journey on Service 50 until the 18thJuly 2014.Services X50 and 150, operated by Johnsons, will be unchanged
TGB 50 is
still running through to Wythall in the peaks today.
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 08, 2014, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
Quote from: Matt on July 07, 2014, 10:31:13 AM
108, 109, 119 on rail reps today. All seems to be going fine!
Yardley Wood have 4720 & 4731 out with them as well
First WR have double deckers on the rail replacement service as well
Central Buses too I hear
The taxis are also getting a run-around today!
Don't start with those bloomin taxi's again...... :P
Haven't seen one on the 22 yet? ;D ;D ;D
Here are the beasts!
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3862/14575051426_4f49c13cf2.jpg)
Quote from: Matt on July 08, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Oh dear, 502 is on the 50 again
And again today, just gone past my NX 50 in moseley.
Why aren't they green?
Quote from: Matt on July 09, 2014, 01:18:58 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on July 09, 2014, 12:59:17 PM
Why aren't they green?
Why should they be green?
Then they could set up a subsiduary company, Green Taxis!
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Starting Point: Walsall Broadway North
Finish Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Green)
Via: Tamebridge, Hamstead, Handsworth, Bearwood, Quinton
Service Number: 873
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/63 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hamstead (Green Lane)
Finish Point: Halesowen (Bus Station)
Via: Handsworth, Smethwick, Londonderry, Harborne, Quinton, Bartley Green
Service Number: 881
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/64 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Saltley (High Street)
Finish Point: Bartley Green (Scotland Lane)
Via: Yardley, Acocks Green, Moseley, Selly Oak
Service Number: 882
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/65 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stechford (Audley Road)
Finish Point: Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road)
Via: Tile Cross, Sheldon, Damsonwood, Solihull, Yardley Wood, Kings Heath, Northfield
Service Number: 883
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/66 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hay Mills, Coventry Road (Holder Road)
Finish Point: Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road)
Via: Solihull, Dorridge, Monkspath, Shirley, Dickens Heath, Kings Norton, Barnt Green
Service Number: 884
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/67 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Edgbaston (Harborne Road)
Finish Point: Walsall (lichfield Street)
Via: Bearwood, Handsworth, Hamstead, Great Barr
Service Number: 851
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/68 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hill Hook (Bishops Way)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Rose Hill Road)
Via: Mere Green, Roughley, Walmley
Service Number: 843
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
PD1090982/69 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Streetly (Foley Road West)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Grove Lane)
Via: Little Aston, Four Oaks, Sutton Coldfield, Wylde Green
Service Number: 842
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
PD1090982/70 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hill Hook (Bishops Way)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Rose Hill Rosd)
Via: Streetly, Kingstanding, Boldmere, Short Heath
Service Number: 841
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
TGB coming to Redditch:
PD1050400/87 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point: Redditch Bus Station
Via: Matchborough West, Matchborough East, Wibyates Green Circular
Service Number: 62
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Aren't one or two of those service numbers used by NX on some of their school services?!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 09, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
Aren't one or two of those service numbers used by NX on some of their school services?!
And? As long as the two clashing services do not share any bus stops there is no issue.
Quote from: Matt on July 09, 2014, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 09, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
Aren't one or two of those service numbers used by NX on some of their school services?!
And? As long as the two clashing services do not share any bus stops there is no issue.
It just seems stupid, especially seeing as the 88* series has plenty of space... They're not exactly making it easy for kids new to catching public transport!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 09, 2014, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 09, 2014, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 09, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
Aren't one or two of those service numbers used by NX on some of their school services?!
And? As long as the two clashing services do not share any bus stops there is no issue.
It just seems stupid, especially seeing as the 88* series has plenty of space... They're not exactly making it easy for kids new to catching public transport!
It wasn't my idea.
will this route go to south Yardley so like wheatsheif and hobs moat etc?
PD1090982/60 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Yardley, Coventry Road (Swan Centre)
Finish Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Road)
Via: Hampton in Arden, Solihull, Hall Green
Service Number: 871
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
More changes...again!
PD1050400/85 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Handsworth (Grove Lane)
Finish Point: Birmingham (livery Street)
Via: Hockley
Service Number: 78
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, Schooldays. Single Journey
What is the intended purpose of this? Positioning move for a 50 possibly?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 09, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
More changes...again!
PD1050400/85 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Handsworth (Grove Lane)
Finish Point: Birmingham (livery Street)
Via: Hockley
Service Number: 78
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, Schooldays. Single Journey
What is the intended purpose of this? Positioning move for a 50 possibly?
No, it's a new school service to Handsworth Grammar.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 09, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I wonder if the 22 will go back to Merry Hill to Birmingham Town Hall, to use up the buses that are coming off schools services.
Just seems odd that the curtailing of the service happened at the start of the school holidays.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 09, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 09, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
PD1050400/84 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I wonder if the 22 will go back to Merry Hill to Birmingham Town Hall, to use up the buses that are coming off schools services.
Just seems odd that the curtailing of the service happened at the start of the school holidays.
Would like to think the route change would be TGB making most of the ridiculous route changes from the 20th July seeing parts near Merry Hill and Old Hill without a decent bus service to Halesowen. I think TGB should leave Quarry Bank High st to Diamond and NXWM who clearly have the competition and frequency to out do TGB there. They should utilise areas now ridden of a decent service.
Problem with that is that parts of the route that requires buses in Old Hill can only accomodate single deckers due to a low bridge and Green Bus don't have that many single deckers.
Will be interesting if Green Bus do start running between Birmingham & Merry Hill again because they would have to start from scratch again. If they are just using the 22 as a filler for drivers & buses during school terms, it will never work , passengers want a bus service that runs Monday to Saturday 52 weeks a year.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 09, 2014, 08:52:20 PM
Problem with that is that parts of the route that requires buses in Old Hill can only accomodate single deckers due to a low bridge and Green Bus don't have that many single deckers.
Will be interesting if Green Bus do start running between Birmingham & Merry Hill again because they would have to start from scratch again. If they are just using the 22 as a filler for drivers & buses during school terms, it will never work , passengers want a bus service that runs Monday to Saturday 52 weeks a year.
Indeed, a 52 week service is a must. With regards to Old Hill, its only Station Road on the present 297 route in Old Hill that is the issue isnt it? Just avoiding that and following the rest of it would make much more sense imo. Trying to compete with NXWM or Diamond on the present 002/141 stretch is just going to be a struggle for them. Its been stated on here often about the passenger number differences and its clear Diamond/NXWM have a foothold. TGB should look to vary their route I think and target now underserved areas. Im still in disbelief anyway that Q Bank High St really needs 10 or 12 buses an hour just towards Halesowen.
TGB coming to Redditch:
PD1050400/87 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point: Redditch Bus Station
Via: Matchborough West, Matchborough East, Wibyates Green Circular
Service Number: 62
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
I wonder if the 50A wil be coming back to feed this service in redditch & wonder hoqw often wil be trunning
Quote from: Solo1 on July 10, 2014, 02:00:29 AM
TGB coming to Redditch:
PD1050400/87 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point: Redditch Bus Station
Via: Matchborough West, Matchborough East, Wibyates Green Circular
Service Number: 62
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
I wonder if the 50A wil be coming back to feed this service in redditch & wonder hoqw often wil be trunning
That's a bit of a surprise. On the Rotala board, Tony posted the results of the tenders and Diamond had won this. I did notice that Simon Dunn was being very cautious in commenting on the results on his management thread. Perhaps there's more to the process than I realise. My guess is that this is hourly, so would require only one bus. Combining the 60 and 61 to one bus an hour would save a journey to the town. Going via Matchborough West, then East to Winyates Green would cut out a large part of Paper Mill Drive. That would be a very roundabout route. Also no mention of Sainsburys, where the 61 goes presently. I wouldn't have thought it was decker territory.
502-50
Quote from: Nathan on July 10, 2014, 03:51:28 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 10, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
502-50
502 is a regular on the 50 at present
And should be until the next time something goes wrong with it!
Last time I checked 929 was stuck in mid air in the garage as the ramps holding it up had failed leaving it stranded. Did cause some amusement.
361 just been seen by the petrol station on the 4 route by Penncricket Lane
380 on 50
Quote from: trident4370 on July 18, 2014, 10:41:40 AM
380 on 50
I think 452 replaced it. 10 service Tridents (between 106 and 123) left for Glasgow this afternoon so expect more of the same over the next fortnight.
If all 10 Tridents make the journey up to Glasgow without dying I'll be gobsmacked. I'm expecting something more reminiscent of a Top Gear challenge.
.
Quote380 on 50
I think 452 replaced it.
Both 380 & 452 were on the 50 around 5ish at the Maypole. Also seen on the 50 today: 502, 113, 109
Just seen pics of buses on Main Page, didn't think TGB would be allowed in the city centre on the 50 with non-low floor buses on a frequent service?
Even the GRS Darts were at least Low Floor, if not Euro 3, and look what happened to them. TGB seem to be getting away with worse.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 20, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
Even the GRS Darts were at least Low Floor, if not Euro 3, and look what happened to them. TGB seem to be getting away with worse.
And did their 22 always run to compliance as well?!
The 22 never went into the SQP area
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2014, 07:38:10 PM
The 22 never went into the SQP area
I meant timekeeping compliance not SQBP compliance.
I don't think I've seen many 22s that have ran on time!
They never ran at all half the time...
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
I don't think I've seen many 22s that have ran on time!
Indeed! That's what I thought!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 20, 2014, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 20, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
Even the GRS Darts were at least Low Floor, if not Euro 3, and look what happened to them. TGB seem to be getting away with worse.
And did their 22 always run to compliance as well?!
Didn't need to as it didn't enter the city zone
907,452,502-50
Quote from: trident4370 on July 21, 2014, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 21, 2014, 08:39:52 AM
907,452,502-50
365 and 103 are also out to play.
I managed to photograph 907,452 and 502 at moor street
907-https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14707176622/
502-https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14684497536/in/photostream/
452-https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14707282402/in/photostream/
452 has now vanished seemingly with no replacement.
How is it TGB can put non-compliant buses out on the 50 during the duration of the Commonwealth Games?
Also, TGB must have some of the oldest buses at Glasgow for Commonwealth Games shuttles, most other operators have supplied new or nearly new buses.
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2014, 12:46:07 PM
How is it TGB can put non-compliant buses out on the 50 during the duration of the Commonwealth Games?
Also, TGB must have some of the oldest buses at Glasgow for Commonwealth Games shuttles, most other operators have supplied new or nearly new buses.
I know... If it was Thandi or GRS there would be outrage!!
Stagecoach London have sent tridents as well but other than them it is mostly new or nearly new buses eg NX enviros, reading Buses e400h's etc.
I phoned green bus if I can volunteer around the depot and they've kept my name and contact number in records and let me know when needed :)
Quote from: trident4370 on July 21, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
452 has now vanished seemingly with no replacement.
Just seen it - perhaps went for a break earlier?
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 21, 2014, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 21, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
452 has now vanished seemingly with no replacement.
Just seen it - perhaps went for a break earlier?
Not sure tbh, it Missed a whole trip out and was about 15 minutes late on the next one.
I took a look at the Olympian on the 50 today and thought 'I'm pretty sure this isn't allowed in the City Centre'. Will TGB receive a fine? A Euro 2 bus in the City Centre is one thing, but a step entrance one?
104,502,907,452-50
@Sh4318 I would assume so...
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
Really?! As much as I object to them using non low-floor buses on frequent city services, of course they will. The 50's doing ok, Private Hires plus Rail Reps to use the fleet during the daytime/school holidays and of course the school contracts which are the basis of their work.
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
I thought step entrances were banned totally though. ?
All core services have to have diptac compliant vehicles
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
I thought step entrances were banned totally though. ?
Not yet technically. Double decks are fine for 3 years or so...
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
I thought step entrances were banned totally though. ?
Not yet technically. Double decks are fine for 3 years or so...
They are not supposed to be used on frequent services in the Birmingham QPS area
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2014, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
I thought step entrances were banned totally though. ?
Not yet technically. Double decks are fine for 3 years or so...
They are not supposed to be used on frequent services in the Birmingham QPS area
Indeed. Do operators get fined for doing so as aren't there now cameras?
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 02:50:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2014, 02:39:12 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: ChrisMcCarthy on July 22, 2014, 11:18:53 AM
Some of TGB's older buses have particle boxes on, which convert the engines to a euro 3 hence why you see older buses from them in the city centre. Also TGB were supposed to send 15 buses to Glasgow for the commonwealth but have only managed to send 10! Personally I don't see TGB lasting much longer.
I thought step entrances were banned totally though. ?
Not yet technically. Double decks are fine for 3 years or so...
They are not supposed to be used on frequent services in the Birmingham QPS area
Indeed. Do operators get fined for doing so as aren't there now cameras?
Isn't it because the Tridents have gone to Glasgow for the Commonwealth games?
Surely they should make sure that their normal duties are booked out with compliant buses before going and sending 10 up to Glasgow
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Surely they should make sure that their normal duties are booked out with compliant buses before going and sending 10 up to Glasgow
Couldn't agree more! Yes they're sending them but if say VIP had hired several vehicles out on one particular day and then used non-dda compliant/lez compliant buses in service people would have slated them.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Surely they should make sure that their normal duties are booked out with compliant buses before going and sending 10 up to Glasgow
Couldn't agree more! Yes they're sending them but if say VIP had hired several vehicles out on one particular day and then used non-dda compliant/lez compliant buses in service people would have slated them.
I believe Centro are not happy with a few things Green Bus are doing on the 50
Can't TGB be fined for non compliant buses being used.
Two days in a row now they've had Tridents on with working LEDs that don't even have the 50 programmed into them... 103 yesterday, 104 today, thank goodness for A4!
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2014, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 22, 2014, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on July 22, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Surely they should make sure that their normal duties are booked out with compliant buses before going and sending 10 up to Glasgow
Couldn't agree more! Yes they're sending them but if say VIP had hired several vehicles out on one particular day and then used non-dda compliant/lez compliant buses in service people would have slated them.
I believe Centro are not happy with a few things Green Bus are doing on the 50
oh quelle surprise!!
50: 109, 115, 365
X-City rail replacement: 121, 502
Could somebody possibly tell me which buses are on the 50 today?
Cheers
Nathan
904-50
121 - Wedding Party today St Peters Church Pedmore
I'm sure I saw a Lance leaving Moor St yesterday (maybe on the 50)
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 25, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
I'm sure I saw a Lance leaving Moor St yesterday (maybe on the 50)
Yes - 452 and an Olympian (sorry - didn't see which one) were on the 50 yesterday morning.
This morning, the step entrance buses on the 50 were Olympians 904 (as already reported) and 907.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 25, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
I'm sure I saw a Lance leaving Moor St yesterday (maybe on the 50)
452,502 and various Olympians are appearing on the 50 each day at present
Quote from: Nathan on July 25, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 25, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
I'm sure I saw a Lance leaving Moor St yesterday (maybe on the 50)
452,502 and various Olympians are appearing on the 50 each day at present
But this isn't allowed? :o
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 25, 2014, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 25, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 25, 2014, 10:12:52 PM
I'm sure I saw a Lance leaving Moor St yesterday (maybe on the 50)
452,502 and various Olympians are appearing on the 50 each day at present
But this isn't allowed? :o
No it isn't. There is a post further down the thread stating that Centro are not happy with TGB's antics!
907,502-50
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 26, 2014, 08:28:25 AM
907-50
One of the regulars on the 50 atm
Does anyone know which buses have gone up to Scotland for Commonwealth Games Duties?
Yesterday evening I had a plan to travel on some of TGB 50s including some of the different routes they take...
17:33 city - Maypole (the one that goes via Yardley Wood)
18:22 Maypole - Wythall (Johnsons 150)
18:39 Wythall - Maypole
19:28 Maypole - City (the one that goes via Druids Heath and brandwood)
plan went completely to shit....
Got to the bus stop by Selfridges about 17:25, no Green Bus turned up til about quarter to (907 - displaying "Wythall")
While at the bus stop a Green Bus Dart pulled up behind, unloaded, and went off again, as did a Johnsons 150. We eventually left on time as the 17:53, and tootled along all the way to Wythall. I thought, no worries I can get the Johnsons X50 back at 18:52 and still do the other 50 back into the city.
Got back to the Maypole about 19:00, plenty of time for the 19:28 still, but I didn't know where it was gonna stop (best guess would be with the NX 50s not with the Wythall services), so caught NX4747 to Druids Heath, popped into the McDonalds there and waited for the Green Bus 50... Which of course failed to show up...
Gave up, got the 35 back into town about 19:55, went home disappointed.
Hope it was a one off, bit of a crap impression of a bus company if they manage to run some buses on a route on time but others either hideously late or not at all
Quote from: Kevin on July 30, 2014, 06:58:15 AM
Yesterday evening I had a plan to travel on some of TGB 50s including some of the different routes they take...
17:33 city - Maypole (the one that goes via Yardley Wood)
18:22 Maypole - Wythall (Johnsons 150)
18:39 Wythall - Maypole
19:28 Maypole - City (the one that goes via Druids Heath and Brandwood)
Hi Kevin,
I had no idea about the route variations on the 17:33 & 19:28 journeys...
Can you expand on the routes they take, please?
Quote from: Nathan on July 26, 2014, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 26, 2014, 08:28:25 AM
907-50
Does anyone know which buses have gone up to Scotland for Commonwealth Games Duties?
There was a list of 'possibles' posted on here a while back, from which any sighted locally can be deleted; I'm down to 10 from:
106 107 108 110 111 112 114 115 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 (15).
Has anyone seen any pictures of them in use in Glasgow? There are plenty of pics, of the shuttle buses to be found on the internet, but I've not seen a single Green Bus yet.
108, 115 and 121 are still here.
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 30, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 30, 2014, 06:58:15 AM
Yesterday evening I had a plan to travel on some of TGB 50s including some of the different routes they take...
17:33 city - Maypole (the one that goes via Yardley Wood)
18:22 Maypole - Wythall (Johnsons 150)
18:39 Wythall - Maypole
19:28 Maypole - City (the one that goes via Druids Heath and Brandwood)
Hi Kevin,
I had no idea about the route variations on the 17:33 & 19:28 journeys...
Can you expand on the routes they take, please?
Sorry - you can disregard this request, as I have found the detail on the Network West Midlands site. (Doh! Should have thought to look there first...)
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 30, 2014, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 30, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 30, 2014, 06:58:15 AM
Yesterday evening I had a plan to travel on some of TGB 50s including some of the different routes they take...
17:33 city - Maypole (the one that goes via Yardley Wood)
18:22 Maypole - Wythall (Johnsons 150)
18:39 Wythall - Maypole
19:28 Maypole - City (the one that goes via Druids Heath and Brandwood)
Hi Kevin,
I had no idea about the route variations on the 17:33 & 19:28 journeys...
Can you expand on the routes they take, please?
Sorry - you can disregard this request, as I have found the detail on the Network West Midlands site. (Doh! Should have thought to look there first...)
:D
that's exactly where I found them in the first place
A Green Bus broke down on Bradford Street today causing all 2, 3 & 50 route buses to have to be diverted
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2014, 07:12:36 PM
A Green Bus broke down on Bradford Street today causing all 2, 3 & 50 route buses to have to be diverted
One broke down yesterday afternoon on Park Street opposite Selfridges
V15TGB was the bus
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/14599572199/
Quote from: Ex BC driver on July 30, 2014, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2014, 07:12:36 PM
A Green Bus broke down on Bradford Street today causing all 2, 3 & 50 route buses to have to be diverted
Two days in a row now that heaps given up in town :/
Quote from: trident4370 on July 30, 2014, 09:45:49 PM
Two days in a row now that heaps given up in town :/
is it anything to do with their best buses being in Glasgow?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2014, 09:51:48 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 30, 2014, 09:45:49 PM
Two days in a row now that heaps given up in town :/
is it anything to do with their best buses being in Glasgow?
What best buses!
Quote from: trident4370 on July 30, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2014, 09:51:48 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on July 30, 2014, 09:45:49 PM
Two days in a row now that heaps given up in town :/
is it anything to do with their best buses being in Glasgow?
What best buses!
well lets say a little better than the ones that are left, they must be ok if they managed to get up to Glasgow, they shouldn't have any problem coming back, they can roll down hill. ;) ;)
If someone could tell me which buses (especially the olympians) are out on the 50 today, I'd be really grateful. Thanx guys
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 30, 2014, 05:03:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 26, 2014, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 26, 2014, 08:28:25 AM
907-50
Does anyone know which buses have gone up to Scotland for Commonwealth Games Duties?
There was a list of 'possibles' posted on here a while back, from which any sighted locally can be deleted; I'm down to 10 from:
106 107 108 110 111 112 114 115 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 (15).
Has anyone seen any pictures of them in use in Glasgow? There are plenty of pics, of the shuttle buses to be found on the internet, but I've not seen a single Green Bus yet.
I will have a look when I am Glasgow on Saturday...
Quote from: X94 on July 31, 2014, 08:47:22 AM
If someone could tell me which buses (especially the olympians) are out on the 50 today, I'd be really grateful. Thanx guys
108 (10:28 ex Maypole), 110 (10:38), 109 (10:49)...
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 31, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: X94 on July 31, 2014, 08:47:22 AM
If someone could tell me which buses (especially the olympians) are out on the 50 today, I'd be really grateful. Thanx guys
108 (10:28 ex Maypole), 110 (10:38), 109 (10:49)...
Cheers mate
Quote from: X94 on July 31, 2014, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 31, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
Quote from: X94 on July 31, 2014, 08:47:22 AM
If someone could tell me which buses (especially the olympians) are out on the 50 today, I'd be really grateful. Thanx guys
108 (10:28 ex Maypole), 110 (10:38), 109 (10:49)...
Cheers mate
There was an Olympian (possibly 907, but didn't get a positive id) on the 07:49 ex-Wythall to City this morning.
I'm currently at Gretna services on the way to Glasgow. Just passed the Green Bus tridents heading home.Also two Stagecoach London tridents on the back of tow trucks.Two Go-ahead B7s just pulled up besides me
103,108-50
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 04, 2014, 12:41:37 PM
103,108-50
Also 121, which I cannot recall seeing on there before.
452 spent the day on the 50... again!
101, 102 and 103 on the rail tonight. 102 has gained a hole in the roof, presumably from pruning the trees around Barnt Green and Alvechurch.
Green bus rail replacement was originally tendered as a single deck job, and they were meant to be getting Scania solars on loan from reading bus
Did anyone ever see any of TGB Tridents in action on Glasgow Commonwealth Games shuttles? I haven't come across any sightings / photos online
202 Spent the day on the 50 today, first Spectra appearance I've seen.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
202 Spent the day on the 50 today, first Spectra appearance I've seen.
There was meant to be one on there yesterday but never saw it
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
202 Spent the day on the 50 today, first Spectra appearance I've seen.
Does anyone know if there's one out today, please?
Quote from: tjwpsv on August 09, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
202 Spent the day on the 50 today, first Spectra appearance I've seen.
Does anyone know if there's one out today, please?
202 is currently on Moor St
364 was on 50 aswell
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2014, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: tjwpsv on August 09, 2014, 10:37:39 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:19:09 PM
202 Spent the day on the 50 today, first Spectra appearance I've seen.
Does anyone know if there's one out today, please?
202 is currently on Moor St
Appreciate that.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 09, 2014, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2014, 02:10:50 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 09, 2014, 01:50:37 PM
364 was on 50 aswell
Was? Has it been taken off?
502 is on 50 so probably 364 has been taken off
364 was heading towards Birmingham through Kings Heath around 2PM, was still in service then.
121 was on the 50 again today
Quote from: John on August 11, 2014, 09:17:54 PM
121 was on the 50 again today
Saw it on Moor St. The exterior is looking a bit tatty on the offside imo
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
Quote from: John on August 11, 2014, 09:17:54 PM
121 was on the 50 again today
here is 121 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14702963768/
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Yes but should I care? Why would it be noteworthy?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Yes but should I care? Why would it be noteworthy?
Didn't say it wasn't noteworthy and i didn't really expect you to care! Just an observation really
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Yes but should I care? Why would it be noteworthy?
Didn't say it wasn't noteworthy and i didn't really expect you to care! Just an observation really
No I'm not being nasty or smart or anything I just want to know why I should give two wags about it....
So are the postings on this thread just generic observations regardless if its the usual allocation?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Yes but should I care? Why would it be noteworthy?
Didn't say it wasn't noteworthy and i didn't really expect you to care! Just an observation really
No I'm not being nasty or smart or anything I just want to know why I should give two wags about it....
So are the postings on this thread just generic observations regardless if its the usual allocation?
I didn't think you would care anyway but others may be interested. Up till last week i don't recall ever seeing a Spectra on the GB50
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 11, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 11, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
Saw 202 on the 50. Is this a thing?
It was on there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday also
Yes but should I care? Why would it be noteworthy?
Didn't say it wasn't noteworthy and i didn't really expect you to care! Just an observation really
No I'm not being nasty or smart or anything I just want to know why I should give two wags about it....
So are the postiungs on this thread just generic observations regardless if its the usual allocation?
I didn't think you would care anyway but others may be interested. Up till last week i don't recall ever seeing a Spectra on the GB50
I think you're still misunderstanding me - that's no issue though, bud.
Back in the day Spectras were commonplace on the 50. Different operator though. But you knew this already :)
Oh ok :) I understand now.
202, 203 & 204 all on 50 today.
Well that lasted long... ;-) 209 days from start to finish...
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Quote from: the trainbasher on August 12, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Well that lasted long... ;-) 209 days from start to finish...
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 30-Sep-2014.
There's no other entry on a replacement I presume?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 12, 2014, 02:11:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 12, 2014, 01:03:12 PM
Well that lasted long... ;-) 209 days from start to finish...
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between BIRMINGHAM TOWN HALL and MERRY HILL SHOPPING CENTRE given service number 22 effective from 30-Sep-2014.
There's no other entry on a replacement I presume?
Correct...no replacement on the system
Quote from: trident4370 on August 12, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
202, 203 & 204 all on 50 today.
113, 115 also on 50 aswell
110 is on the Cross City Rail Replacement tonight, and has broken down. Run out of fuel, apparently.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 12, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
202, 203 & 204 all on 50 today below is 2 of the spectra's that were on the 50
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14723012258/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14723002838/in/photostream/
Quote from: Solo1 on August 13, 2014, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 12, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
202, 203 & 204 all on 50 today below is 2 of the spectra's that were on the 50
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14723012258/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14723002838/in/photostream/
Wonder what centro will make of that
Centro dont appear to be bothered. Before it was the spectras this week, Olympians / a lance have been a daily appearance for a short while now on the 50. Great for spotters.
Just seen a pic on flickr of 112 branded for King Eds Camp Hill school for Girls
62 timetable now online http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/route/62/
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 16, 2014, 01:19:11 AM
Just seen a pic on flickr of 112 branded for King Eds Camp Hill school for Girls
would of been nice to have the link
Quote from: Solo1 on August 16, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 16, 2014, 01:19:11 AM
Just seen a pic on flickr of 112 branded for King Eds Camp Hill school for Girls
would of been nice to have the link
It doesn't take much to find it
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/14929987722/
Quote from: Solo1 on August 16, 2014, 10:17:48 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 16, 2014, 01:19:11 AM
Just seen a pic on flickr of 112 branded for King Eds Camp Hill school for Girls
would of been nice to have the link
Sorry, my tablet is playing up with link copying...
Erm not meaning to be funny here but with the price of a return of two single journies being £4 for an adult and £16 for a week unlimited people will walk to the 57/58. If diamond had the fight id say they should stay and go in the opposite direction running as the 61. I hope the Redditch Connecta is aviable as that is cheaper and only 10p more than the Greenbus single of £2.20
this was out today on 50 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14796224959/
Anyone wonder why there is no pics of green out and about in Glasgow???? That's because First inspected there vehicles are said that they was not fit for service so the drivers had to use Firsts buses..... Vosa have also been hammering the Green Bus and Green bus has been getting stick about parking outside Selfridges.......NOT GOING GOOD AT ALL...... How long will there Redditch service last???
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 20, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Anyone wonder why there is no pics of green out and about in Glasgow???? That's because First inspected there vehicles are said that they was not fit for service so the drivers had to use Firsts buses..... Vosa have also been hammering the Green Bus and Green bus has been getting stick about parking outside Selfridges.......NOT GOING GOOD AT ALL...... How long will there Redditch service last???
About as long as the Wolverhampton Girls High services - not very lol
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 20, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Anyone wonder why there is no pics of green out and about in Glasgow???? That's because First inspected there vehicles are said that they was not fit for service so the drivers had to use Firsts buses..... Vosa have also been hammering the Green Bus and Green bus has been getting stick about parking outside Selfridges.......NOT GOING GOOD AT ALL...... How long will there Redditch service last???
A few months due to the price of the tickets. Do they think the people of Redditch are made of money.
Quote from: tank90 on August 21, 2014, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 20, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Anyone wonder why there is no pics of green out and about in Glasgow???? That's because First inspected there vehicles are said that they was not fit for service so the drivers had to use Firsts buses..... Vosa have also been hammering the Green Bus and Green bus has been getting stick about parking outside Selfridges.......NOT GOING GOOD AT ALL...... How long will there Redditch service last???
A few months due to the price of the tickets. Do they think the people of Redditch are made of money.
Why do they think that people will pay more than the price of a Diamond day ticket for a single journey on their 62? The new Connecta Redditch Town won't be much more than their single ticket price anyway....!
Quote from: DiamondDart on August 21, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: tank90 on August 21, 2014, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 20, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Anyone wonder why there is no pics of green out and about in Glasgow???? That's because First inspected there vehicles are said that they was not fit for service so the drivers had to use Firsts buses..... Vosa have also been hammering the Green Bus and Green bus has been getting stick about parking outside Selfridges.......NOT GOING GOOD AT ALL...... How long will there Redditch service last???
A few months due to the price of the tickets. Do they think the people of Redditch are made of money.
Why do they think that people will pay more than the price of a Diamond day ticket for a single journey on their 62? The new Connecta Redditch Town won't be much more than their single ticket price anyway....!
I know why; they wont make any money unless they charge that amount of money as it will cost alot to get a bus from hockley to redditch everyday. As far as WCC (Worcestershire County Council) know Greenbus wont be issusing any Redditch Connecta or County Connecta as they havent signed in well thats what i was told when i got in contact with WCC, but you can always buy it from Diamond and should be able to use it on the GBus 62.
they could run a 50a to/from Redditch to feed the new service
204s out yet again... surely there are enough tridents by now!
Quote from: trident4370 on August 22, 2014, 09:50:32 AM
204s out yet again... surely there are enough tridents by now!
Does it not depend on what First have said and done in Glasgow to what happens to them down here?
Quote from: Solo1 on August 21, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
they could run a 50a to/from Redditch to feed the new service
Maybe but that might be to simple to do. Logic would dictate that but it might be to glaringly obvious, on the other hand that might not work that well.
380,364,381,108,113 on rail replacement on new street-wolves
The Volvos are horrible things, nothing but trouble. Rail is good earner....
105
Displaying bus 3
Heading M6 north at 2pm today
Quote from: Rainman13 on August 25, 2014, 02:57:47 PM
105
Displaying bus 3
Heading M6 north at 2pm today
It was on rail replacement today
Sadly Britec destination equipment is very complicated..... rail replacement is programed though!
Quote from: Winston on July 09, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
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Registration Accepted
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Finish Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Road)
Via: Minkspath, Chewick Green, Dickens Heath, Hall Green
Service Number: 872
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/62 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Walsall Broadway North
Finish Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Green)
Via: Tamebridge, Hamstead, Handsworth, Bearwood, Quinton
Service Number: 873
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/63 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hamstead (Green Lane)
Finish Point: Halesowen (Bus Station)
Via: Handsworth, Smethwick, Londonderry, Harborne, Quinton, Bartley Green
Service Number: 881
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/64 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Saltley (High Street)
Finish Point: Bartley Green (Scotland Lane)
Via: Yardley, Acocks Green, Moseley, Selly Oak
Service Number: 882
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/65 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stechford (Audley Road)
Finish Point: Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road)
Via: Tile Cross, Sheldon, Damsonwood, Solihull, Yardley Wood, Kings Heath, Northfield
Service Number: 883
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/66 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hay Mills, Coventry Road (Holder Road)
Finish Point: Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road)
Via: Solihull, Dorridge, Monkspath, Shirley, Dickens Heath, Kings Norton, Barnt Green
Service Number: 884
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/67 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Edgbaston (Harborne Road)
Finish Point: Walsall (lichfield Street)
Via: Bearwood, Handsworth, Hamstead, Great Barr
Service Number: 851
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday School Term. Single Journey Each Way.
PD1090982/68 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hill Hook (Bishops Way)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Rose Hill Road)
Via: Mere Green, Roughley, Walmley
Service Number: 843
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
PD1090982/69 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Streetly (Foley Road West)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Grove Lane)
Via: Little Aston, Four Oaks, Sutton Coldfield, Wylde Green
Service Number: 842
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
PD1090982/70 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, BS18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Hill Hook (Bishops Way)
Finish Point: Handsworth (Rose Hill Rosd)
Via: Streetly, Kingstanding, Boldmere, Short Heath
Service Number: 841
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday, School Term. Single Journey Each Way
TGB coming to Redditch:
PD1050400/87 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Redditch Bus Station
Finish Point: Redditch Bus Station
Via: Matchborough West, Matchborough East, Wibyates Green Circular
Service Number: 62
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
that's good im getting TGB in my local area :)
Those still after a blast from the past... 202 is out today on 50s.
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Its a 51 plate trident so its allowed
Quote from: Ashley on August 28, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Its a 51 plate trident so its allowed
Putting my pedantic hat on again, you're actually both right, its a Plaxton President Trident ;)
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 28, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Its a 51 plate trident so its allowed
Putting my pedantic hat on again, you're actually both right, its a Plaxton President Trident ;)
Sorry to be even more pedantic but its a Dennis Trident with Plaxton President bodywork ;)
101-105 are Euro 2 despite being 51 plates so i presume they shouldn't be in the City Centre
Quote from: Nathan on August 28, 2014, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 28, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Its a 51 plate trident so its allowed
Putting my pedantic hat on again, you're actually both right, its a Plaxton President Trident ;)
Sorry to be even more pedantic but its a Dennis Trident with Plaxton President bodywork ;)
101-105 are Euro 2 despite being 51 plates so i presume they shouldn't be in the City Centre
I thought euro 2 spec vehicles met the emission regulations
Quote from: Ashley on August 28, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 28, 2014, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 28, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley on August 28, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 28, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
102 on the 50 too. Naughty Naughty... (It's a president)
Its a 51 plate trident so its allowed
Putting my pedantic hat on again, you're actually both right, its a Plaxton President Trident ;)
Sorry to be even more pedantic but its a Dennis Trident with Plaxton President bodywork ;)
101-105 are Euro 2 despite being 51 plates so i presume they shouldn't be in the City Centre
I thought euro 2 spec vehicles met the emission regulations
Nope, Euro3
all non low floors and 101-105 are not permitted in the city centre. shame really as 101-105 are decent vehicles
Dart 502 was also on last night.
203 passed radleys (sheldon) 1730
201 S876BYJ was a display at IWM Duxford Showbus 2014 today
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 21, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
201 S876BYJ was a display at IWM Duxford Showbus 2014 today
And it was towed back. Spotted on the M6 at around midnight near junction 3-4.
Quote from: Michael on September 22, 2014, 02:08:51 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 21, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
201 S876BYJ was a display at IWM Duxford Showbus 2014 today
And it was towed back. Spotted on the M6 at around midnight near junction 3-4.
I would expect nothing less!
Quote from: Michael on September 22, 2014, 02:08:51 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 21, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
201 S876BYJ was a display at IWM Duxford Showbus 2014 today
And it was towed back. Spotted on the M6 at around midnight near junction 3-4.
Went to Duxford, was that Greenbus the spectra?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 22, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: Michael on September 22, 2014, 02:08:51 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 21, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
201 S876BYJ was a display at IWM Duxford Showbus 2014 today
And it was towed back. Spotted on the M6 at around midnight near junction 3-4.
Went to Duxford, was that Greenbus the spectra?
yes it was
Just saw a TGB employee, probably a bus driver, wearing a National Express jacket while wearing a TGB uniform on the tram to Birmingham.
A driver on 142- always wears green bus uniform. Any ideas?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 23, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
A driver on 142- always wears green bus uniform. Any ideas?
well the 142 is operated by Kidderminster, so i would presume that he has transferred from TGB to Diamond and is awaiting his new uniform?
Does anybody know how things are going with the Redditch route 62?
I might have been able to tell you if the one I saw parked up in the bus station hadn't left early presumably in front of the Diamond service.
What vehicles are they running on the 62?
It was a Trident.
It would seem that Green Bus are finishing on the 62.
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/cms/pdf/2014-10-02%20Bus%20Service%20Changes%202.pdf (when open click on Redditch District)
PD1050400/86 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Birchfield Road Redditch (Foxlydiate Inn) and Ridgeway Middle School given service number S69 effective from 05-Dec-2014.
PD1050400/87 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Redditch Bus Station given service number 62 effective from 05-Dec-2014.
Presumably the TCs have assumed they'll just not turn up if they insist on 56 days?
Quote from: mikestone on October 27, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
Presumably the TCs have assumed they'll just not turn up if they insist on 56 days?
The cancellation application from Green Bus was received on 10 October, effective 5 December. Considering that Diamond were allowed to register their 62 effective 1 September by an application received 1 August, after having seen the Green Bus timetable and timing their service 2 minutes earlier, I would think that Green Bus would justifiably have a somewhat jaundiced view of the traffic commissioners.
In any case, the continuation of the Green Bus 62 even to 5 December has no public benefit.
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Redditch Bus Station and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50/50A effective from 05-Jan-2015. To amend Timetable.
Green Bus are currently advertising 51plate and V-reg Tridents for sale in the trade press 'due to fleet upgrade'
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Green Bus are currently advertising 51plate and V-reg Tridents for sale in the trade press 'due to fleet upgrade'
Missed that one, but aren't the 51 plate Tridents their newest buses, what about the steppers going?
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Green Bus are currently advertising 51plate and V-reg Tridents for sale in the trade press 'due to fleet upgrade'
Missed that one, but aren't the 51 plate Tridents their newest buses, what about the steppers going?
Steppers may be kept as I believe their more fuel efficient so maybe that takes a higher priority than slf on private hire contracts
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
No excuse for using a non complaint bus in B'ham City Centre on a Sat
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
No excuse for using a non complaint bus in B'ham City Centre on a Sat
That's because their tridents are down in London doing underground replacement work
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2014, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
No excuse for using a non complaint bus in B'ham City Centre on a Sat
That's because their tridents are down in London doing underground replacement work
Over stretching their fleet again then, as per during the Commonwealth games.
Given that, I don't understand why they aren't retaining all the 51 plate Tridents and adding to the low floor fleet, maybe dispose of some of the older T-reg ex Metroline Tridents. It would give TGB greater flexibility to take on these contracts & still provide suitable buses to meet their local obligations.
So thats were about 7 of there buses were going to last Saturday morning. Causing chaos on the M40 near Beaconsfield doing all of 30 mph....
Quote from: andyr on November 22, 2014, 06:48:37 PM
So thats were about 7 of there buses were going to last Saturday morning. Causing chaos on the M40 near Beaconsfield doing all of 30 mph....
Hahahaha!!!
New favourite photo from the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/502.html
You couldn't make this one up, could you?
A non-compliant bus ahead of another 3, totally blocking the area where Diamond often do driver changes.
Add to that, I have often seen TGB do driver changes on stand, completely blocking Diamond/NX/Johnsons plus other services from the stand just below.
Probably one sat on the main 50 stand as well... ::) :P
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 26, 2014, 10:21:20 PM
New favourite photo from the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/502.html
You couldn't make this one up, could you?
A non-compliant bus ahead of another 3, totally blocking the area where Diamond often do driver changes.
Add to that, I have often seen TGB do driver changes on stand, completely blocking Diamond/NX/Johnsons plus other services from the stand just below.
Probably one sat on the main 50 stand as well... ::) :P
Just after I took that photo a fifth joined the line, I have a photo from the rear of all 5 on my phone. That stop is also a stop for the 58, 59, 60, 97, 900 & 957, not sure how they were supposed to drop their passengers off
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
That was me ;)
Welcome back Matt :) :)
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 12:07:36 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 14, 2014, 12:02:26 AM
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
That was me ;)
Welcome back Matt :) :)
Cheers bud, good to hear from you
Yes, good to have you back on board Matt
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
That was me ;)
You driving for them now?
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 01:42:33 PM
Quote from: Kevin on December 14, 2014, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: Matt on December 13, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Cheese on November 15, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Just seen ex Dublin Bus Olympian 922 S922YOO on the 50 leaving Moor Street. Not one of their fleet I have seen before.
That was me ;)
You driving for them now?
Hi Kevin - nope, I'm not a driver. My most common role is controller when the usual staff are out driving or off work. It was I who sent 922 out to replace an unwell 380 (no low floors available). That's the only time I've sent a step on the 50, I'm good usually ;)
I also do running boards & bus destys, and loads of admin stuff which is too complicated (and confidential) to explain
They shouldn't EVER be on there though, surely?
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 07:15:27 PM
DiamondDart, they are not supposed to be, but when the only alternative is to lose mileage, what would you do?
Ensure there are sufficient low floor euro3 vehicles available, like every other operator operating into the Birmingham SQBP area.
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 14, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 07:15:27 PM
DiamondDart, they are not supposed to be, but when the only alternative is to lose mileage, what would you do?
Ensure there are sufficient low floor euro3 vehicles available, like every other operator operating into the Birmingham SQBP area.
Unfortunately I don't have any control of what vehicles we have in the fleet but if I did rest assured I would not have a low floor fleet of 22 Tridents!
How come? Reliability/fuel economy/ride quality/power?
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 14, 2014, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 14, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 07:15:27 PM
DiamondDart, they are not supposed to be, but when the only alternative is to lose mileage, what would you do?
Ensure there are sufficient low floor euro3 vehicles available, like every other operator operating into the Birmingham SQBP area.
Unfortunately I don't have any control of what vehicles we have in the fleet but if I did rest assured I would not have a low floor fleet of 22 Tridents!
How come? Reliability/fuel economy/ride quality/power?
Unreliable
Presumably ex London ones worse than the others? Tbh though some are at the end of what many would call their working lives ie 16 years old so it's understandable.
The 50 PVR is 6/7 (correct me if I'm wrong) and there are 23 tridents, at least 10 of which are compliant for the SQBP. So, with spare SQBP compliance of at least 30%-far higher than most operators-why is it any non euro3 vehicle ever appears on there?
Including other tridents, there are 16 spare vehicles, more than three times the number of vehicles the 50 needs. So, if the 3 spare euro3 vehicles are VOR are fair enough. But all the other 16 low floor tridents? Really?
Surely there are sufficient Olympians/Spectras for Private Hire at this time of the year and there is zero excuse for non compliant vehicles.
If the above is true, perhaps vehicle availability would have more to do with standards of maintenance than reliability. Interestingly enough, the most recent operator to use trident reliability as an excuse was Western Greyhound! :P
Unless of course, there are far more than 6/7 vehicles on the 50. Tony's photo: http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/502.html appears to show 4, later became 5, all in one place at the same time. This suggests big gaps in service or that far more vehicles are running on there than the timetable suggests.
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 08:23:39 PM
On the subject... Trident 118 came back from the dead this week. It was on the 50 yesterday. As far as I know the rest of 115 - 119 remain withdrawn. They and 108 have not had their MOTs renewed
Do you agree with the numbers I've posted above about PVR's and Percentage Spare Capacity-there are 18 vehicles to cover 7 vehicles work!!
Presumably withdrawn due to loss of/lack of work?
Why is it that newer tridents have been withdrawn in preference to older ones eg 106-8? Higher sale value?
Would it not make sense to sell vehicles that don't comply with SQBP instead of some of the, admittedly many!, which do, if TGB are still struggling to allocate the right vehicles onto the 50?!
Quote from: Matt on December 14, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
In response to your comments DiamondDart
I agree with your comment about ex London buses. The problem is not necessarily the maintenance here (Greenbus consistently receive positive feedback from VOSA) but the maintenance in London
The Tridents are withdrawn because they are unfit to be on the road - there is no point withdrawing perfectly good vehicles. All I can say on this matter is that all will become clear in time
There are 22 Tridents not 23. At least 5 of those are withdrawn/long term VOR. 6 more are not allowed on the 50. This leaves 11 SQBP Tridents available, of which many are likely to be unroadworthy or on their VI day. This should still be enough to keep the 50 SQBP, and it is - it's very rare a 'naughty' bus gets put on there. This is only necessary when excessive work is undertaken
1) Is it not true though that TGB vehicles weren't allowed on Commonwealth Games work due to maintenance and condition?
2) Unfit to be on the road? They're not the oldest ones withdrawn-most likely to be in worst condition-but some of the more modern tridents?
3) 11 tridents to cover a PVR of 7? That's nearly 37% spare capacity, way higher than anyone else in the area, and yet it's still happening. I find it astonishing. 1 VOR a day, yes, 1 FTS possibly but are you honestly saying 4/11 vehicles are unfit for service on a fairly regular basis. I'll bet this isn't happening that rarely at all...
4) Why is it the company willingly overstetches itself though? Other operators could get more money if they did overstretch themselves but they don't as they want to respect Centro's rules and bear it in mind.
Just explain to me-how is it fair TGB seem to just be about overstretching the fleet to get max profits when if other operators did this eg Thandi then people would be up in arms.
I'll also bet the PVR of the 50 is higher than 7...
202 noted parked up at the bottom of South Parade, Sutton Coldfield this morning. I don't think I've ever seen a Green Bus up in Sutton town centre before .... :)
Bit late but welcome back Matt :)
Are Green Bus coming off the 50?
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Quote from there website...
Service 50
2014-12-15
Please note that the final operating day for this service will be Friday 19th December 2014.
We would like to thank all passengers for using The Green Bus and take this opportunity to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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I wondered if this was for Xmas, but the NWM website mentions services aren't running after Xmas until 4th Jan, with a Saturday service next Monday-Wednesday. Surely if it was the message would say when they'd be back!
Have they any plans to operate anymore routes Matt or are they pulling out of bus services if you are allowed to say?
Seems a bit short notice to announce they're withdrawing this service, though I guess they won't be required to serve a notice period as there is adequate provision with the existing NXWM and Diamond journeys.
I'm sure Diamond will be happy as the 50 seems to actually do ok on a Sunday without TGB.
Just hope no one who has bought a month pass is left out of pocket though...
Does the 22 still run as i only have a half day at school on Friday and i want to go on the 2 Green Bus services before they're gone
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 17, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Does the 22 still run as i only have a half day at school on Friday and i want to go on the 2 Green Bus services before they're gone
Not really, no. Think it may still have one M-F peak journey?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 17, 2014, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 17, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Does the 22 still run as i only have a half day at school on Friday and i want to go on the 2 Green Bus services before they're gone
Not really, no. Think it may still have one M-F peak journey?
Think that is a 22S school journey. Wasn't the TGB 22 withdrawn a few months ago!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 17, 2014, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 17, 2014, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 17, 2014, 08:34:34 PM
Does the 22 still run as i only have a half day at school on Friday and i want to go on the 2 Green Bus services before they're gone
Not really, no. Think it may still have one M-F peak journey?
Think that is a 22S school journey. Wasn't the TGB 22 withdrawn a few months ago!
Shows how little i actually pay attention in Merry Hill, only went there frequently cause there was a direct(ish, well it was the 310, so maybe not, but..) bus link from near my house
Quote from: Matt on December 17, 2014, 07:58:45 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 17, 2014, 07:57:02 PM
Have they any plans to operate anymore routes Matt or are they pulling out of bus services if you are allowed to say?
I don't know of any plans for the West Midlands
I saw two buses out today allegedly on the 50. The first parked up @ the maypole for an extended period, engine running & unattended. The other was floating around with a visible PG9 offence.
Bearing in mind other info' that I have, all I can say is "Great news, good riddance to another shoddy cowboy op".
All very sudden.
Diamond will be pleased as they've lost a competitor and their buses might carry some additional passengers.
Centro will be happy as this will relieve some of the pressure on bus stop MS1 by the Bull Ring which has struggled to cope with the volume of buses.
Those who've bought monthly passes for The Green Bus 50 will not be happy about the sudden cancellation of the service.
Presumably TGB will now be focusing its efforts on schools, rail replacement and the private hire market.
Quote from: Matt on December 17, 2014, 10:08:42 PM
The business continues to expand in its most lucrative areas - without the distraction of public service, 2015 looks set to be a good and profitable year.
I hope so. Green Bus have been helpful to quite a few enthusiasts, so I wish the company well.
Only seemed to be 3 TGB 50's out today as well, I'm pretty sure there weren't 7...
They seemed a bit absent tbh!
From my experience in the days / weeks when routes 558 and 22 were about to finish Green seem to give up and only run a limited service.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 19, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
From my experience in the days / weeks when routes 558 and 22 were about to finish Green seem to give up and only run a limited service.
Guess that's it now as they won't be running tomorrow. Just surprised such a small amount of notice was given to passengers and they got away with it!! ::)
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 19, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
From my experience in the days / weeks when routes 558 and 22 were about to finish Green seem to give up and only run a limited service.
Guess that's it now as they won't be running tomorrow. Just surprised such a small amount of notice was given to passengers and they got away with it!! ::)
The only passengers who will have lost out are those that bought monthly tickets, but I guess there can't have been that many. There should be adequate capacity provided by NXWM and Diamond journeys. ;)
From what hear it wasn't really their choosing to come off. Something to do with non compliant buses & centro being extremely unhappy.
Quote from: Steveminor on December 19, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
From what hear it wasn't really their choosing to come off. Something to do with non compliant buses & centro being extremely unhappy.
I don't believe the council were very pleased with their habit of multiple drivers taking layovers at the back of Selfridges stopping Coventry Road services from unloading. That is a bus stop, not a bus stand so vehicles should not be there for longer than it takes to set down passengers.
The fleet list on the Green Bus web site shows the fleet reduced from 41 vehicles to 25, with some of the Tridents and Olympians missing and both single deckers gone.
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on December 19, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
From what hear it wasn't really their choosing to come off. Something to do with non compliant buses & centro being extremely unhappy.
I don't believe the council were very pleased with their habit of multiple drivers taking layovers at the back of Selfridges stopping Coventry Road services from unloading. That is a bus stop, not a bus stand so vehicles should not be there for longer than it takes to set down passengers.
I.e what your photo of 502 a while back showed Tony?
It does seem that non compliant vehicles were used more than occasionally on there, particularly during the Summer and timekeeping seemed poor when I went on there yesterday.
Also, they seemed mostly empty, unlike back when they really upped the 50 towards the end of 2012.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 19, 2014, 08:14:49 PM
The fleet list on the Green Bus web site shows the fleet reduced from 41 vehicles to 25, with some of the Tridents and Olympians missing and both single deckers gone.
118 was in service today and that isn't on the new fleetlist, I'm assuming everything missing is either sold or currently for sale.
Interesting though that it's some of the newer ie 51 plate tridents that have been sold and not the remaining step entrance vehicles...
That seems an odd move in a fleet with more step entry vehicles to remove than any other in the West Midlands (I'd have thought anyway).
Could selling more modern vehicles be a better way of raising money than selling step entry deckers?!
To me it does make some sort of sense, as Matt says the company intends to focus on private hire now. The 51 plate tridents were only ever really brought in for the 50 so now the 50 is gone, what would be the point in keeping them over an Olympian which has considerably more capacity and is seatbelted.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 08:37:17 PM
To me it does make some sort of sense, as Matt says the company intends to focus on private hire now. The 51 plate tridents were only ever really brought in for the 50 so now the 50 is gone, what would be the point in keeping them over an Olympian which has considerably more capacity and is seatbelted.
But surely most rail replacement work certainly would specify low floor vehicles?
Ensignbus, probably one of the companies which does the most private hire/rail reps, don't have mostly Olympians/Spectras in that side of the fleet...
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 08:37:17 PM
To me it does make some sort of sense, as Matt says the company intends to focus on private hire now. The 51 plate tridents were only ever really brought in for the 50 so now the 50 is gone, what would be the point in keeping them over an Olympian which has considerably more capacity and is seatbelted.
But surely most rail replacement work certainly would specify low floor vehicles?
Ensignbus, probably one of the companies which does the most private hire/rail reps, don't have mostly Olympians/Spectras in that side of the fleet...
I don't know how the Rail Rep contracts work tbh although they still have 13 low floor buses to choose from going by that latest fleetlist. From what I've seen lately though Central Buses seem to be getting most of them anyway.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 08:37:17 PM
To me it does make some sort of sense, as Matt says the company intends to focus on private hire now. The 51 plate tridents were only ever really brought in for the 50 so now the 50 is gone, what would be the point in keeping them over an Olympian which has considerably more capacity and is seatbelted.
But surely most rail replacement work certainly would specify low floor vehicles?
Ensignbus, probably one of the companies which does the most private hire/rail reps, don't have mostly Olympians/Spectras in that side of the fleet...
I don't know how the Rail Rep contracts work tbh although they still have 13 low floor buses to choose from going by that latest fleetlist. From what I've seen lately though Central Buses seem to be getting most of them anyway.
I imagine rail operators appreciate the guaranteed quality they get with Central Buses...
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
I imagine rail operators appreciate the guaranteed quality they get with Central Buses...
I'm not disagreeing with that ;D
You can turn up a whole variety of vintage vehicles on rail reps even I December 2014, maybe not in the West Mids but in areas just outside London, you can get Titans, Metrobuses, Leyland Olympians etc, sadly you have to be in some kind of click to get the full gen but anyway back to Green Bus who I wish well after the last couple of years on the 50, 64, 125, 558, 22 etc, always good services and enthusiast friendly
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
I imagine rail operators appreciate the guaranteed quality they get with Central Buses...
I'm not disagreeing with that ;D
Rail operators don't give two hoots about quality of rail replacement operators as they are just fulfilling an obligation to provide a service. As long as they fulfil their requirements and don't cost a fortune rail operators really don't care. They will almost always go for the most competitive tender package.
Quote from: andy on December 19, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
I imagine rail operators appreciate the guaranteed quality they get with Central Buses...
I'm not disagreeing with that ;D
Rail operators don't give two hoots about quality of rail replacement operators as they are just fulfilling an obligation to provide a service. As long as they fulfil their requirements and don't cost a fortune rail operators really don't care. They will almost always go for the most competitive tender package.
Depends which company. Southern for one, insist on full low floor vehicles on all planned rail replacement
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 19, 2014, 08:14:49 PM
The fleet list on the Green Bus web site shows the fleet reduced from 41 vehicles to 25, with some of the Tridents and Olympians missing and both single deckers gone.
Also drivers being made redundant and engineering staff.
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 01:05:13 PM
The fleetlist on the website is correct - just logged on to the system and the buses missing off the fleetlist have already been removed from the list available for allocation
Just to clarify each of the withdrawn buses is unroadworthy for whatever reason. I'm sure I've explained that before yet some people on here are still going on about SQBP guidelines etc which are not of relevance any more.
Most clients do not specify low floor vehicles in their booking yet there are still more than enough low floors available to cater for them, of which 100% should now be good runners.
The only slight concern is that both single deckers have gone. It's not often a low height vehicle is needed but it would be nice to have one available for such a case.
Hey Matt
Has the 50 cancellation as of yesterday been approved by VOSA? As I haven't seen anything on their website.
Also, are the Tridents being advertised for sale the unroadworthy ones that you refer to?
Cheers
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 01:05:13 PM
The fleetlist on the website is correct - just logged on to the system and the buses missing off the fleetlist have already been removed from the list available for allocation
Just to clarify each of the withdrawn buses is unroadworthy for whatever reason. I'm sure I've explained that before yet some people on here are still going on about SQBP guidelines etc which are not of relevance any more.
Most clients do not specify low floor vehicles in their booking yet there are still more than enough low floors available to cater for them, of which 100% should now be good runners.
The only slight concern is that both single deckers have gone. It's not often a low height vehicle is needed but it would be nice to have one available for such a case.
Hey Matt
Has the 50 cancellation as of yesterday been approved by VOSA? As I haven't seen anything on their website.
Also, are the Tridents being advertised for sale the unroadworthy ones that you refer to?
Cheers
Hi 3Q
Once again I'm limited as to what I should say, but I believe the lack of cancellation was legitimate and intentional. What I will say is, look back through the VOSA registrations in November.
Regarding the Tridents - that's correct (we need the good ones!!). In most cases though, it would not be too difficult to get them sorted - just not a worthwhile use of resources for Green Bus as they are surplus to requirements
Thanks Matt. I understand that the variation you refer to on VOSA in November is to suspend service over the Christmas period according to Centro's website but this doesn't take effect until after Christmas Eve.
Can you clarify if VOSA have accepted a cancellation since this date? Surely if not then Greenbus are still obliged to operate according to the registered timetable, up to and including Christmas Eve?
Cheers
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 01:05:13 PM
The fleetlist on the website is correct - just logged on to the system and the buses missing off the fleetlist have already been removed from the list available for allocation
Just to clarify each of the withdrawn buses is unroadworthy for whatever reason. I'm sure I've explained that before yet some people on here are still going on about SQBP guidelines etc which are not of relevance any more.
Most clients do not specify low floor vehicles in their booking yet there are still more than enough low floors available to cater for them, of which 100% should now be good runners.
The only slight concern is that both single deckers have gone. It's not often a low height vehicle is needed but it would be nice to have one available for such a case.
Hey Matt
Has the 50 cancellation as of yesterday been approved by VOSA? As I haven't seen anything on their website.
Also, are the Tridents being advertised for sale the unroadworthy ones that you refer to?
Cheers
Hi 3Q
Once again I'm limited as to what I should say, but I believe the lack of cancellation was legitimate and intentional. What I will say is, look back through the VOSA registrations in November.
Regarding the Tridents - that's correct (we need the good ones!!). In most cases though, it would not be too difficult to get them sorted - just not a worthwhile use of resources for Green Bus as they are surplus to requirements
Thanks Matt. I understand that the variation you refer to on VOSA in November is to suspend service over the Christmas period according to Centro's website but this doesn't take effect until after Christmas Eve.
Can you clarify if VOSA have accepted a cancellation since this date? Surely if not then Greenbus are still obliged to operator according to the registered timetable, up to and including Christmas Eve?
Cheers
Hi 3Q
No, the registration in November was a timetable amendment effective 5th Jan, after the Christmas break
Other than that I can only repeat what I said above, sorry.
Thanks Matt.
Is there any truth that Greenbus have been shortlisted to run the Guernsey bus franchise?
Cheers
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 07:01:31 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 20, 2014, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 20, 2014, 01:05:13 PM
The fleetlist on the website is correct - just logged on to the system and the buses missing off the fleetlist have already been removed from the list available for allocation
Just to clarify each of the withdrawn buses is unroadworthy for whatever reason. I'm sure I've explained that before yet some people on here are still going on about SQBP guidelines etc which are not of relevance any more.
Most clients do not specify low floor vehicles in their booking yet there are still more than enough low floors available to cater for them, of which 100% should now be good runners.
The only slight concern is that both single deckers have gone. It's not often a low height vehicle is needed but it would be nice to have one available for such a case.
Hey Matt
Has the 50 cancellation as of yesterday been approved by VOSA? As I haven't seen anything on their website.
Also, are the Tridents being advertised for sale the unroadworthy ones that you refer to?
Cheers
Hi 3Q
Once again I'm limited as to what I should say, but I believe the lack of cancellation was legitimate and intentional. What I will say is, look back through the VOSA registrations in November.
Regarding the Tridents - that's correct (we need the good ones!!). In most cases though, it would not be too difficult to get them sorted - just not a worthwhile use of resources for Green Bus as they are surplus to requirements
Thanks Matt. I understand that the variation you refer to on VOSA in November is to suspend service over the Christmas period according to Centro's website but this doesn't take effect until after Christmas Eve.
Can you clarify if VOSA have accepted a cancellation since this date? Surely if not then Greenbus are still obliged to operator according to the registered timetable, up to and including Christmas Eve?
Cheers
Hi 3Q
No, the registration in November was a timetable amendment effective 5th Jan, after the Christmas break
Other than that I can only repeat what I said above, sorry.
Thanks Matt.
Is there any truth that Greenbus have been shortlisted to run the Guernsey bus franchise?
Cheers
That is correct, unfortunately it was announced this week that we have not been successful
Thanks Matt
Probably for the best judging by your recent performance on the 50 service
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 19, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
I imagine rail operators appreciate the guaranteed quality they get with Central Buses...
I'm not disagreeing with that ;D
Although Central did put a Routemaster out to Redditch over the summer
Sat on board 111 on the number 50 heading into town as we speak!
Isn't the service meant to have finished?
Quote from: pjp1991 on December 23, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Isn't the service meant to have finished?
That was what i was going to ask, wasn't the final day of service 19/12/14?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 23, 2014, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: pjp1991 on December 23, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Isn't the service meant to have finished?
That was what i was going to ask, wasn't the final day of service 19/12/14?
According to the Company's website - yes. According to one of the drivers today, they are finishing tomorrow... Only the 3 buses out today, though.
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
I believe Green Bus have been asked by Centro to continue service until tomorrow.
Why?
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: pjp1991 on December 23, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
Sat on board 111 on the number 50 heading into town as we speak!
105, 111 & 113 are out today
Hey Matt
Is there not scope to provide a full service? There should be plenty of spare buses and drivers if there are no school operations this week?
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
I believe Green Bus have been asked by Centro to continue service until tomorrow.
Why?
Because they had the Christmas break down as starting from Christmas day, not the 20th
Quote from: 3Q on December 23, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: pjp1991 on December 23, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
Sat on board 111 on the number 50 heading into town as we speak!
105, 111 & 113 are out today
Hey Matt
Is there not scope to provide a full service? There should be plenty of spare buses and drivers if there are no school operations this week?
Spare buses yes, spare drivers no. The 50 drivers had all been told no work after the 19th. I was amazed three drivers were found, none of them were on the 50 rota
Hey Matt
Thanks for your response. Do you no how many buses will be out tomorrow? I would like to go for a ride on the Greenbus 50 for one last time.
Thanks
Must be one of the worst run companies in the country. All the gloss about how wonderful they are but clearly not.
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 23, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 08:59:59 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 03:12:07 PM
I believe Green Bus have been asked by Centro to continue service until tomorrow.
Why?
Because they had the Christmas break down as starting from Christmas day, not the 20th
Quote from: 3Q on December 23, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
Quote from: pjp1991 on December 23, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
Sat on board 111 on the number 50 heading into town as we speak!
105, 111 & 113 are out today
Hey Matt
Is there not scope to provide a full service? There should be plenty of spare buses and drivers if there are no school operations this week?
Spare buses yes, spare drivers no. The 50 drivers had all been told no work after the 19th. I was amazed three drivers were found, none of them were on the 50 rota
Hey Matt
Thanks for your response. Do you no how many buses will be out tomorrow? I would like to go for a ride on the Greenbus 50 for one last time.
Thanks
No worries 3Q. I have no idea - it'll be as many as they can find drivers for. No more than 3 or 4 probably. I'm in at 9am tomorrow so will let you know.
I'm sure VOSA would be a fan of the approach of "
it'll be as many as they can find drivers for".
Just seen one leaving Birmingham City Centre with the destination £35.00 for a months travel - anyone want one?
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
My main concern would be the risk of Public Inquiry Matt which could close the business overnight. Your comments already confirm the Greenbus has inadequate staff to fulfil its statutory obligations such as running the 50 service according to the schedules lodged along with vehicles that are not roadworthy such as the batch sent up to Glasgow in the Summer.
As the saying goes - turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.
I hope I am wrong and the Greenbus turns a corner in 2015 as you suggest it will
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
Matt
I generally dont comment on other company posts, but as you have suggested there is more chance of Diamond going bust, can you please explain
Are you saying the GreenBus are stronger financially than Rotala PLC?
Simon
Quote from: Simon Dunn on December 24, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
Matt
I generally dont comment on other company posts, but as you have suggested there is more chance of Diamond going bust, can you please explain
Are you saying the GreenBus are stronger financially than Rotala PLC?
Simon
Simon
I'm not an expert but the latest statutory financial accounts for The Green Bus would suggest they are insolvent with a negative net worth
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05456298/THE-GREEN-TRANSPORT-COMPANY-LIMITED
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
I thought you said the vehicles weren't worth TGB putting back on the road? If they aren't worth TGB doing so, why anyone else given the plentiful supply of 04 plate ALX400 ex Stagecoach tridents which, incidentally, WERE allowed to operate on Commonwealth Games contracts! ;D
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Simon Dunn on December 24, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
Matt
I generally dont comment on other company posts, but as you have suggested there is more chance of Diamond going bust, can you please explain
Are you saying the GreenBus are stronger financially than Rotala PLC?
Simon
Simon
I'm not an expert but the latest statutory financial accounts for The Green Bus would suggest they are insolvent with a negative net worth
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05456298/THE-GREEN-TRANSPORT-COMPANY-LIMITED
Isn't there more than one OpCo for Green Bus?
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Simon Dunn on December 24, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
Matt
I generally dont comment on other company posts, but as you have suggested there is more chance of Diamond going bust, can you please explain
Are you saying the GreenBus are stronger financially than Rotala PLC?
Simon
Simon
I'm not an expert but the latest statutory financial accounts for The Green Bus would suggest they are insolvent with a negative net worth
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/05456298/THE-GREEN-TRANSPORT-COMPANY-LIMITED
The last thing I want to do is infer they are insolvent. There are solvency tests and I am sure the Directors are aware of these and implications should they trade when the business insolvent
However, to suggest that they are more financially secure than Rotala PLC, is amazing. Rotala is AIM listed, has market forecasts and if we were going to be materially off those forecasts we would have to make a stock market announcement.
Anyone that follows our announcements knows we have millions in bank facilities for acquisitions and have loan note holders converting debt into equity
So, I am struggling with the inference in the comment and hence my response
Simon
I wouldn't pay much attention to that comment simon I think it's designed to take attention away from the fact TGB have failed miserably with their local bus service foray. Frequently failing to operate to schedules lodged for various insufficient reasons & failing to comply to sqp regulations.
The cancellation of the 50 is just a long line of cock ups.
Take nothing away from TGB when it comes to schools they are good, but with local services they are on a par with the failed Joes Travel.
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 05:30:28 PM
Quote from: Simon Dunn on December 24, 2014, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
Matt
I generally dont comment on other company posts, but as you have suggested there is more chance of Diamond going bust, can you please explain
Are you saying the GreenBus are stronger financially than Rotala PLC?
Simon
Simon
My personal opinion, based on a few things I have heard (which will not be posted on here) is that Diamond in the west midlands has reached its peak and in 5-10 years time will not be the force it is today. I cannot see that kind of decline happening to Green Bus.
That's my opinion, not anybody else's. I hope I turn out to be wrong as Diamond have a lot going for them. The regular drivers on the 002 are top class.
Matt
Matt
I have many things I could post.
Many people call me for surety on debts, and opinion so you can't imagine what I actually know about a lot of operators in the West Midlands.
I chose to look and focus my energy inwards and not worry about nothing
It is possible our Contracted operations will decrease over time the rest will grow
Simon
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: 3Q on December 24, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
3Q - 101, 111 & 113 on 50 today.
In other news, 117 finally returned from ADL Harlow last night.
Thanks Matt. I waited 40 minutes but nothing turned up.
It's a real shame as I thought the 50 routefor Greenbus had great potential, particularly when operating the £1 fare policy. Sadly I suspect 2015 will be a difficult year for Greenbus whilst it recovers from years of abysmal management
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services. This week NO buses have been VOR other than those undergoing routine inspections.
I have read some very amusing comments on Facebook suggesting the company is "going bust", etc. Believe me, there is more chance of seeing Diamond "going bust" (not a throwaway comment at all). I am not going to quote any figures but you would all be amazed by how much money the company turns over - not only from the West Midlands, but from operations in Reading, Surrey and Liverpool. Bookings from Hockley are already very busy throughout Spring next year with some days fully booked out (i.e. every belted bus on a hire).
Also just a reminder that the following vehicles are for sale. Most are not currently roadworthy but would not need much work to make them so. Anyone seriously interested should contact the company and ask for the sales department. I think the asking price for the Volvos is particularly reasonable.
9 Tridents 108, 110, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 122
4 Volvos 380, 381, 904, 907
1 Dart 502
1 Lance 452 (a runner as far as I know)
What is the asking price of the Volvo's Matt?
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
Just to clarify I am not disagreeing with the fact that the 50 has been a shambles lately. I always say you should play to your strengths not to your weaknesses. Green Bus have many strengths & many weaknesses. By focusing on hires, schools & contract work they are playing to their strengths and not their weaknesses.
3Q - if I remember correctly it's £5k.
I don't think anyone has any objections or issues with the fact that The Green Bus may have decided the 50 is not worth continuing.
What people do object to, or find very poor business practice, in this particular situation are:
* The fact that the drivers were informed possibly just over a week before the service was withdrawn that they would basically be made redundant just a week before Christmas
* That customers of a service with annual & monthly tickets for sale were given a weeks notice that the service was being withdrawn
* The Traffic Commissioner & Centro have not been informed (I.e. the standard 56 days notice period for withdrawing/changing a service)
The whole thing seems very rushed and very unprofessional to me.
Greenbus need to concentrate on what they do best unless they hire someone who knows local service & how to do it properly.
There is a saying "Jack of all trades, master of none"
That will meen that Green Buses fleet will be...
14 Alx 400 Tridents
6 Volvo Olimpians
And 6 Spectra's
Wouldn't it be a good idea to off removed the Olimpians and kept 6 more tridents.
Before the sale, current bus fleet is
23 Tridents
10 Olimpians
6 Spectra's
A dart and a lance.
Is the 78 available to the general public to use?
@Matt it was showing on the NWM app as stopping outside St Pauls Metro (city bound) at 1513hrs
(didn't get to see it as the tram I was on couldn't leave Jewellery Quarter until 1510 due to a tram in block)
It shows up on nwm website http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=26078&net=cen&project=y11&sup=%20&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=26078&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=%20&itdLPxx_lineVer=1&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
From Yahoo groups:
Oakleys, Plymouth are now using R380LGH in full Green Bus livery.
Assume now sold
Who has brought the ones that have
been sold
Matt what's this I hear about TGB returning to the 50 in april
Quote from: Matt on February 18, 2015, 01:36:24 PM
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 13-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
Cue bus wars on MS1/MS2, round 2 >:(
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2015, 11:17:25 PM
Engineers got 381 running today for the first time in ages. All being well it's leaving on Monday to join its sister 380.
Where is its sister?
Quote from: Rhys S on February 20, 2015, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2015, 11:17:25 PM
Engineers got 381 running today for the first time in ages. All being well it's leaving on Monday to join its sister 380.
Where is its sister?
Oakleys, Plymouth as
@Matt has posted already in this thread.
Quote from: DiamondDart on February 20, 2015, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on February 20, 2015, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2015, 11:17:25 PM
Engineers got 381 running today for the first time in ages. All being well it's leaving on Monday to join its sister 380.
Where is its sister?
Oakleys, Plymouth as @Matt has posted already in this thread.
Thank you for the reference
@DiamondDart
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services.
Quote from: Matt on February 18, 2015, 01:36:24 PM
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 13-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
For all those who believe that deregulation should continue and now be accepted as the status quo, silliness like coming off a route and giving passengers next to no notice, then coming back on it months later, suggests that the system needs reform.
Quote from: Matt on February 22, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on February 22, 2015, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 24, 2014, 04:30:04 PM
As I have already said 2015 is set to be the best year yet for Green Bus. It is a shame the company was unsuccessful in its bid for the Guernsey franchise (I believe simply due to another company having quoted a lower cost) but there will be plenty more opportunities for the company to shine in what it does best without the frivolous (pointless) distraction of local bus services.
Quote from: Matt on February 18, 2015, 01:36:24 PM
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 13-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
For all those who believe that deregulation should continue and now be accepted as the status quo, silliness like coming off a route and giving passengers next to no notice, then coming back on it months later, suggests that the system needs reform.
What a silly post. Do you really think this was not planned long in advance and done for very good reason?
No - I think this is an operator taking the proverbial, and just demonstrating to those of us who consider that buses primarily are a
service the fallacies of deregulation.
Here is hoping this time the Traffic Commissioner and Centro will be taking rather more of a keen interest, and tricks like clogging up the stops at Selfridges and the lay-by in Park Street will not be tolerated.
Well Matt the "reality" is that Green Bus does seem to be making their strategy up as they go along. One minute local bus services are "frivolous", the next is the company are re-registering for a route they've come off!
It is as daft as opening a shop, shutting down because you've not had enough custom and it's a distraction, then opening up again several months later!
As for reality, I've seen buses clog up MS1 and all operators are guilty of it.
If Green Bus have buses going spare how about going along the 8, or giving NXWM a run for their money down the Pershore Road, rather than carting fresh air and London cast offs up and down the 50.
If it was something planned long ago with good reason, then surely the travelling public should know, let's alone us bus nuts on here? Because even to them it's going to scream "dodgy", stopping operation for no reason and hardly any notice, then months later suddenly starting up again. Any passengers TGB might have considered "loyal" would seriously have to question whether they want to dare give them a chance again.
I don't doubt there is a reason, but at the same time it's don't think it's something that can be just brushed aside as "it's okay, it was planned"
Quote from: Matt on February 22, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on February 22, 2015, 11:23:47 PM
Well Matt the "reality" is that Green Bus does seem to be making their strategy up as they go along. One minute local bus services are "frivolous", the next is the company are re-registering for a route they've come off!
It is as daft as opening a shop, shutting down because you've not had enough custom and it's a distraction, then opening up again several months later!
As for reality, I've seen buses clog up MS1 and all operators are guilty of it.
If Green Bus have buses going spare how about going along the 8, or giving NXWM a run for their money down the Pershore Road, rather than carting fresh air and London cast offs up and down the 50.
Because that would be a complete and utter waste of money, as is in my personal opinion all public service work unless you have a monopoly on the area!...................................
Perhaps I'm getting confused and missing something here, but as Green Bus don't have a monopoly in the area and have ceased working the 50 once already, what chance do they have of making it a success in the future?
In my opinion 8/a/c or the 35 they should try running
Rhys the 35 has been tried by diamond & was a total failure.
Matt would the reason they are going back on, that they now have adequate sqp buses or is something else going on.
Quote from: Matt on February 23, 2015, 09:23:22 AM
Anyone who thinks I am going to explain everything on a public forum is clearly living in cloud cuckoo land. As of now I am not answering any more questions on here about Green Bus. End of.
But this would be something the travelling public should know about surely, because they would be asking questions as well
I'm afraid we just don't need another operator on the 50 - we already have NX running frequently on it and Diamond carrying some good loads as well. There is also Johnsons every hour providing another method of getting along from Birmingham to Maypole. We don't need Green bus returning to simply clog the stops back up, certainly in the city centre, carrying fresh air. At least Diamond are fairly sensible putting Solos and occasionally Versas/Centros on which carry reasonable loads for their size, as opposed to double decks which are excessive.
Plus I think you'll find "once bitten, twice shy"; passengers who used to have the passes on the route who were loyal may not come back, considering the poor notice given to them by the sounds of it. I could see competition on the 8 working, or the 6 - routes which actually might need some competition on considering the high loads which NX sometimes struggle to carry, especially in the peaks.
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 23, 2015, 05:23:03 PM
I'm afraid we just don't need another operator on the 50 - we already have NX running frequently on it and Diamond carrying some good loads as well. There is also Johnsons every hour providing another method of getting along from Birmingham to Maypole. We don't need Green bus returning to simply clog the stops back up, certainly in the city centre, carrying fresh air. At least Diamond are fairly sensible putting Solos and occasionally Versas/Centros on which carry reasonable loads for their size, as opposed to double decks which are excessive.
Plus I think you'll find "once bitten, twice shy"; passengers who used to have the passes on the route who were loyal may not come back, considering the poor notice given to them by the sounds of it. I could see competition on the 8 working, or the 6 - routes which actually might need some competition on considering the high loads which NX sometimes struggle to carry, especially in the peaks.
I have to agree, surely green bus have lost a lot of customers reputation, and customers will now think twice before buying a green bus pass, as you never know when there going to pull off. I also don't understand why an operator like green bus decides to go back on the highest frequency route in the west midlands( I believe). The 8 would be good competition, and I am still astounded no other operator has tried competing with nx buses.
At least they have sense not to bother on the 11, like SOCIAL TRAVEL, however they only have single deck buses, won't cause too much chaos
Well, the market will decide!
In danger of going off topic here, but I can't see the attraction in the 8. Outside the peaks does it really struggle to cope?
Quote from: Justin Tyme on February 23, 2015, 07:07:29 PM
Well, the market will decide!
In danger of going off topic here, but I can't see the attraction in the 8. Outside the peaks does it really struggle to cope?
The highest loadings ive ever seen on the 8 I could count on my fingers but that's just me
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 23, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on February 23, 2015, 07:07:29 PM
Well, the market will decide!
In danger of going off topic here, but I can't see the attraction in the 8. Outside the peaks does it really struggle to cope?
The highest loadings ive ever seen on the 8 I could count on my fingers but that's just me
As a semi regular 8 user, loadings are healthy during most times of the day. Doesn't need any competition though. That would just be more buses to get caught up in traffic at peak times.
Always wondered with green bus with the school routes they do, are most drivers part time? Surely it must be difficult to get drivers to work an all day shift on a route like the 50 rather than do a couple of schools and a private hire?
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 12:18:49 PM
For anyone who is interested Green Bus are doing rail replacement boards LM11 and LM12 on Saturday, these are booked Spectras subject to availability.
God help anyone who has to get the train Saturday then ::)
Spectras eh? Might take a trip over :-)
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 12:18:49 PM
For anyone who is interested Green Bus are doing rail replacement boards LM11 and LM12 on Saturday, these are booked Spectras subject to availability.
what rail line are they operating?
Yes that's the line
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 05:40:57 PM
Funny that, if Green Bus are that bad why do Cabline keep using them?
Perhaps slimebus undercut the opposition again?......
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 05:40:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on February 24, 2015, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 24, 2015, 12:18:49 PM
For anyone who is interested Green Bus are doing rail replacement boards LM11 and LM12 on Saturday, these are booked Spectras subject to availability.
God help anyone who has to get the train Saturday then ::)
Funny that, if Green Bus are that bad why do Cabline keep using them?
Because they are cheap?
This is the case with many sub contract business as with National Express etc that most often they go simply with the cheapest bid. Matt if you look back at a previous comment about the bidder of Gersey going to someone else because they were cheaper than Green!!
I think that answers the question
Dennis Lance 452 for sale
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dennis-Lance-Northern-Counties-Paladin-P452-BPH-with-seat-belts/261789380936?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3Da108f629789d496aba44a56d430a48dd%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D281592309607
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 28, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
Dennis Lance 452 for sale
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dennis-Lance-Northern-Counties-Paladin-P452-BPH-with-seat-belts/261789380936?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3Da108f629789d496aba44a56d430a48dd%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D281592309607
Could have had some up to date photos.
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 05:25:11 PM
I like my new title "Greenbus Guru" 8)
What vehicles are Greenbus using when they return to the 50 Matt?
Green Bus selling dart 502
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dennis-Dart-S519-TCF-SLF-10-7m-39-Seats-Long-MOT/261801703276?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D36e31541b50f41299984a148a4c2faa0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331495509332&rt=nc
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 07, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Green Bus selling dart 502
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dennis-Dart-S519-TCF-SLF-10-7m-39-Seats-Long-MOT/261801703276?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D36e31541b50f41299984a148a4c2faa0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331495509332&rt=nc
One of the interior pics looks like it's a Lance not the Dart!
Quote from: 3Q on March 07, 2015, 08:25:07 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 07, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Green Bus selling dart 502
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dennis-Dart-S519-TCF-SLF-10-7m-39-Seats-Long-MOT/261801703276?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D36e31541b50f41299984a148a4c2faa0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331495509332&rt=nc
One of the interior pics looks like it's a Lance not the Dart!
It is a lance pic
around 5pm spotted 104 on 844 towards town direction and 5 minutes after 360 on 845 heading same direction
GreenBus not making a "comeback" until June now... :D ::) :P
Why can't they just either run it or not? There's obviously a lot more going on than meets the eye...
The highly anticipated Green Bus comeback?
PD1050400/90 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road
Finish Point: Drakes Cross Woodrush Community School
Via: Druids Heath, Maypole
Service Number: 50Y
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-JUN-2015
Other Details: Monday to friday, school days only.
PD1050400/91 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Kings Heath, Vicarage Road
Finish Point: Drakes Cross Woodrush Community School
Via: Yardley Wood,, Maypole
Service Number: 50X
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-JUN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Friday, school days only
Could they have been on the main 50 registration Before?
The mystery deepens
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 25-May-2015.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 31, 2015, 02:39:31 PM
The mystery deepens
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 25-May-2015.
How odd... Wonder if there even will be a comeback at all now?!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 31, 2015, 02:39:31 PM
The mystery deepens
PD1050400/83 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Maypole and Birmingham City Centre given service number 50 effective from 25-May-2015.
Perhaps the Diamond 50 increasing to every 10 minutes from April has scared them off for good?
Quote from: 3Q on March 31, 2015, 06:41:14 PM
Perhaps the Diamond 50 increasing to every 10 minutes from April has scared them off for good?
I'm surprised Diamond didn't increase their frequency much sooner
S922 YOO has just passed me on the A5 in Dordon, heading in the direction of Tamworth (or the M42). Probably returning from a school trip I imagine.
What are the green bus running today? Seen three at oldbury
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 04, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
What are the green bus running today? Seen three at oldbury
Birmingham to Wolverhampton rail replacement
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 04, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
What are the green bus running today? Seen three at oldbury
Ive seen
107-Trident ALX400
109-Trident ALX400
363-Olympian
365-Olympian
929-Olympian
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 04, 2015, 04:58:06 PM
Ive seen
107-Trident ALX400
109-Trident ALX400
363-Olympian
365-Olympian
929-Olympian
There's also 101- 105 one
Currently on Spectra 203 heading back to North Birmingham Academy after a private hire to Kenilworth Castle for the day.
Metrobus 989 is at amrtm today
Looks as if Green Bus are trying to sell all the currently withdrawn Tridents on Tony's fleetlist for Green Bus. Found this out when I was looking on a website called coach and bus market.com. Don't think anyone has bought them yet though.
Green Bus have an unspecified number of Volvo Olympians and low height Optare Spectras for sale on page 27 0f this weeks Coach and Bus Week.
I was suprised to find ALX 400 110 at the Buses Festival last Sunday...
I'll modify this post with a photo later.
201 was on the 844 today.
Didn't know all their vehicles had free WIFI
They have really cut down on their fleet size as well!
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/enthusiast/fleet/
They've cut down their fleet size and number of school routes, axed commercial daytime routes, you just don't seem to see/hear anything about The Green Bus anymore. Not even sure whether the Liverpool/Surrey franchised operations are still going. All in all, just seems like work has been lost without replacement and they've run out of ideas of what to do with the business after the vast Centro subsidies to them were reduced.
Maybe I'm being unfair but can't see anything positive they've done recently...
PD1050400/92 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Saltley Trading Estate, Birmingham and King Edward V1 Five Ways School given service number 782 effective from 11-Apr-2016. To amend Timetable.
The Reading services are still running but I believe the buses are owned by Reading. The fleet of 6 have recently been replaced, but whereas the previous vehicles were in Green bus livery the replacements are in Reading generic livery which makes them more suitable to be used on Reading services if required. I have seen the green livered ones on Reading services while down there.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 16, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
The Reading services are still running but I believe the buses are owned by Reading. The fleet of 6 have recently been replaced, but whereas the previous vehicles were in Green bus livery the replacements are in Reading generic livery which makes them more suitable to be used on Reading services if required. I have seen the green livered ones on Reading services while down there.
The Reading Green Bus liveried Tridents are for sale via Ventura Bus & Coach sales
http://www.venturasales.co.uk/buses/dennis-trident.html
The Green Bus in Surrey is long gone, Abellio have control of it now and often bring the TAs from BF/New Haw out station upto Battersea for rail work
PD1050400/88 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between HANDSWORTH, BOOTH STREET and GREAT BARR, WILDERNESS LANE given service number Q2 effective from 01-May-2016.
PD1050400/89 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Handsworth, Hall Road and Great Barr, Wilderness Lane given service number Q1 effective from 01-May-2016.
PD1090982/71 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Worcester Bus Station
Finish Point: Sixways Stadium, Warriors Way, Worcester
Via:
Service Number: X15
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 03-JUN-2016
Other Details: 03/06/2016 only
One of the Olympians was on Rail Replacement today.
Quote from: 2206 on May 14, 2016, 08:02:25 PM
One of the Olympians was on Rail Replacement today.
Was it GWR rail reps?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on May 14, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Was it GWR rail reps?
New Street to Gloucester/Cheltenham Spa I think.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/120393.aspx
Quote from: 2206 on May 15, 2016, 10:04:07 AM
New Street to Gloucester/Cheltenham Spa I think.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/120393.aspx
That's the one. I was there yesterday and one bus had gone down apparently.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on May 15, 2016, 11:19:15 AM
That's the one. I was there yesterday and one bus had gone down apparently.
364, I think?
Quote from: 2206 on May 15, 2016, 12:21:00 PM
364, I think?
That was parked on Smallbrook Queensway around 11am yesterday, along with a couple of coaches.
Quote from: Cheese on May 15, 2016, 03:48:36 PM
That was parked on Smallbrook Queensway around 11am yesterday, along with a couple of coaches.
All on Rail Replacement.
If anyone hasn't already noticed. Green Bus' 365 was involved in the Leicester City parade yesterday.
I notice 104 has already been removed from the Green Bus fleet list on their website...
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/enthusiast/fleet/
Quote from: Adam 404 on May 24, 2016, 04:57:38 PM
I notice 104 has already been removed from the Green Bus fleet list on their website...
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/enthusiast/fleet/
Well I don't really think they are going to use it again.
They had the bus down as a coach fire
Just seen 111 (NK51UCH) in Kidderminster I'm assuming it's been on a private hire at West Midlands Safari Park
Quote from: Will on May 27, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
Just seen 111 (NK51UCH) in Kidderminster I'm assuming it's been on a private hire at West Midlands Safari Park
I'd knock the private hires on the head if I was them!
Quote from: BN on May 27, 2016, 07:34:54 PM
I'd knock the private hires on the head if I was them!
Why? They are good earners, especially at week-ends and school holidays. Green Bus are the only operator I can think of in the West Midlands that has a fleet of double deckers available for Private Hire.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on May 27, 2016, 09:00:36 PM
Why? They are good earners, especially at week-ends and school holidays. Green Bus are the only operator I can think of in the West Midlands that has a fleet of double deckers available for Private Hire.
Claribels have YJ54CKL.
@fleetline6477 NXWM have double deckers that can do Private Hires.
Zara Travel as well.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on May 27, 2016, 09:00:36 PM
Why? They are good earners, especially at week-ends and school holidays. Green Bus are the only operator I can think of in the West Midlands that has a fleet of double deckers available for Private Hire.
Why? Did you not see 104 on the M6? An old Trident all the way from Leicester bombing down the motorway. Not a good idea, leave it to the coach operators.
Green Bus are operating the 101 Ricoh shuttle on behalf of NX today. So far I've seen 101 and 102 on the shuttles.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2016, 09:46:30 AM
Green Bus are operating the 101 Ricoh shuttle on behalf of NX today. So far I've seen 101 and 102 on the shuttles.
113 is also on there.
They are "On Loan to Travel West Midlands"
There are no others that I came across.
Picture Album: https://www.facebook.com/Coventry-Bus-photo-page-369276339910972/photos/?tab=album&album_id=546176188887652
Quote from: 2206 on May 27, 2016, 10:22:49 PM
Claribels have YJ54CKL. @fleetline6477
NXWM have double deckers that can do Private Hires.
Zara Travel as well.
I did say in my post ..a fleet of double deckers... Claribels have 1 double decker, Zara 2 or 3. I suppose you can also throw into that mix Coastal Liner and Grosvenor. I agree NXWM do have a fleet of double deckers, Private Hires are obviously not a present priority as they wound up the dedicated fleet of private hire buses some years ago. Also they don't have spare capacity otherwise why are they hiring buses from Green Bus this week-end to do the Ricoh Stadium park and ride and only about half a dozen buses have tacographs.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on May 28, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
I did say in my post ..a fleet of double deckers... Claribels have 1 double decker, Zara 2 or 3. I suppose you can also throw into that mix Coastal Liner and Grosvenor. I agree NXWM do have a fleet of double deckers, Private Hires are obviously not a present priority as they wound up the dedicated fleet of private hire buses some years ago. Also they don't have spare capacity otherwise why are they hiring buses from Green Bus this week-end to do the Ricoh Stadium park and ride and only about half a dozen buses have tacographs.
A few more than half a dozen
4127; 4277; 4278; 4737; 4738; 4741; 4776; 4777; 4778; 4779; 4780; 4781; 6147; 6148; 6701; 6702
are all calibrated at the moment
along with single decks
861; 862; 2201; 2202 and 5 or 6 of Walsall's Scanias
Have they just hired the buses from The Green Bus? As in, have they just outsourced to TGB or literally hired buses and have put in NXWM drivers?
Quote from: MW on May 28, 2016, 05:18:41 PM
Have they just hired the buses from The Green Bus? As in, have they just outsourced to TGB or literally hired buses and have put in NXWM drivers?
subcontracted
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
A few more than half a dozen
4127; 4277; 4278; 4737; 4738; 4741; 4776; 4777; 4778; 4779; 4780; 4781; 6147; 6148; 6701; 6702
are all calibrated at the moment
along with single decks
861; 862; 2201; 2202 and 5 or 6 of Walsall's Scanias
4535 should be as well Tony.
wasn't 2120 fitted with a tacho whilst with its previous garage
Quote from: mranon on May 29, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
wasn't 2120 fitted with a tacho whilst with its previous garage
Quote from: busfan2847 on June 09, 2015, 07:55:09 PM
Tony had recently provided a list of tacho fitted buses.
"AG 2201/2 & 2120 have tachographs
BC have 6701/2; 4634 & a B7RLE
PB have 4777-81 & 1847 (not sure if 1844-6 have current tachos)
YW have 6147/8 & 3225
WA have 4127/8 & 4737; 4776
WN have 862; 863 & a trident
Two of the 47xx E400s transferred to WB have tachos, but they are not currently calibrated, so cannot be used at the moment
CV have two tridents, but they are not currently calibrated"
so no it is not all Platinum vehicles
Quote from: mranon on May 29, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
wasn't 2120 fitted with a tacho whilst with its previous garage
Yes, when it was at Acocks Green. Plus it was also repainted and retrimed.
PD1050400/92 - THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Saltley Trading Estate, Birmingham and King Edward V1 Five Ways School given service number 782 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/53 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Damsonwood and Handsworth, Grove Lane given service number 844 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD1090982/54 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Shirley (Monkspath Hall Road) and Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) given service number 845 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/54 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Shirley (Monkspath Hall Road) and Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) given service number 845 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/58 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Fairfield and Birmingham (Town Hall) given service number 885 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/60 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Yardley, Coventry Road (Swan Centre) and Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Road) given service number 871 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD1090982/62 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Broadway North and Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Green) given service number 873 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD1090982/63 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Hamstead (Green Lane) and Halesowen (Bus Station) given service number 881 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/65 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stechford (Audley Road) and Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road) given service number 883 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/66 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Hay Mills, Coventry Road (Holder Road) and Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road) given service number 884 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD1090982/68 - THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED T/A THE GREEN BUS, 386 PARK ROAD, HOCKLEY, BIRMINGHAM, B18 5ST
Variation Accepted: Operating between Hill Hook (Bishops Way) and Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) given service number 843 effective from 01-Sep-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
TGB Spectra 203 appears to have been sold:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aderoberts/28663630816/
Quote from: Winston on August 01, 2016, 09:53:58 PM
TGB Spectra 203 appears to have been sold:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aderoberts/28663630816/
If that's the Abus yard, what's with all the First scrap lol?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 02, 2016, 07:45:43 AM
If that's the Abus yard, what's with all the First scrap lol?
Bristol Bus & Coach share the yard who buy a lot of vehicles of first for export & non-PSV use
According to the fleet list on The Green Bus website 117, 118 and 120 have been reinstated. Preparing for 1st January 2017 perhaps?
Tridents Y38HWB and PO51WNF are on Longbridge-Droitwich rail replacements today
101 is on (Redditch - Selly Oak - New Street) rail replacement today.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
101 is on (Redditch - Selly Oak - New Street) rail replacement today.
103 PO51WNJ / 106 T61KLD / 107 T201CLO / 110 Y38HWB / 111 NK51UCH were also in use today on these
107 and 922 are for sale in today's RouteOne, by the same dealer who is offering NXWM vehicles.
Any ideas on the vehicle alongside 107 - mainly white with a huge crest?
113 or 114 could be the bus next to 107 advert for five ways Edwards school
Spectra 205 is parked up at an industrial unit coming through Central Gloucester, just before the turning for Sainsbury's.
Quote from: mikestone on December 14, 2016, 04:54:01 PM
107 and 922 are for sale in today's RouteOne, by the same dealer who is offering NXWM vehicles.
Any ideas on the vehicle alongside 107 - mainly white with a huge crest?
Which dealer is it Mike?
Quote from: Wumpty on December 27, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
Which dealer is it Mike?
It's not a dealer it is Green Bus
According to a facebook post, former Green Bus 202, 203 & 206 are going to make the move to Jamaica from Bristol Bus & Coach Sales.
Ex NXWM 4044 has been sighted on the 848 school bus today.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 04, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Ex NXWM 4044 has been sighted on the 848 school bus today.
I passed it on the Witton Road around half 3 this afternoon, devoid of logos and a blank LED. Was wondering who was operating it
Quote from: John on January 04, 2017, 06:28:12 PM
I passed it on the Witton Road around half 3 this afternoon, devoid of logos and a blank LED. Was wondering who was operating it
They are keeping 4102 as well
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
They are keeping 4102 as well
That would explain why it's at the back of yard then
Are 4044 and 4102 still in NXWM livery or now in Green Bus livery? Confusing if NXWM liveried buses are running around with another operator!!
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 05, 2017, 07:10:36 PM
Are 4044 and 4102 still in NXWM livery or now in Green Bus livery? Confusing if NXWM liveried buses are running around with another operator!!
4044 was still in NX livery, without fleetnames when I saw it the other day
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 05, 2017, 07:10:36 PM
Are 4044 and 4102 still in NXWM livery or now in Green Bus livery? Confusing if NXWM liveried buses are running around with another operator!!
How so?
Diamond had it's Ex First buses running around in the Barbie livery for a while, must have been very confusing in Worcester, Bromsgrove, Droitwich and Birmingham.
Just passed ex NXWM 4051 on the Birmingham Road near Broadway North doing a school service for Green Bus. Looks like it's another one they are keeping.
Quote from: tank90 on January 05, 2017, 10:02:28 PM
How so?
Diamond had it's Ex First buses running around in the Barbie livery for a while, must have been very confusing in Worcester, Bromsgrove, Droitwich and Birmingham.
The ex-First buses, from all those I saw, had Diamond fleet names prominently displayed. Also a whole network of routes passed from First to Diamond which would have been well publicised locally and bus top information would have displayed this.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 06, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
The ex-First buses, from all those I saw, had Diamond fleet names prominently displayed. Also a whole network of routes passed from First to Diamond which would have been well publicised locally and bus top information would have displayed this.
Ok forgive me but Green Bus don't do public services do they any more?
So there isn't an issue. I could understand confusion if they did compete on routes with NXWM but as they don't I can't see the issue. Granted a sticker like the ex Allibo London buses had would help but other than that as long as there aren't any fleet names from NXWM then it won't be to much of a problem.
I saw 4044 yesterday evening city bound at the Wheatsheaf Coventry Road showing 844 - damsonwood, returning to base after a school service.
4044 passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose about 10 minutes ago on the 844 to Damsonwood.
Quote from: tank90 on January 07, 2017, 12:04:45 AM
Ok forgive me but Green Bus don't do public services do they any more?
So there isn't an issue. I could understand confusion if they did compete on routes with NXWM but as they don't I can't see the issue. Granted a sticker like the ex Allibo London buses had would help but other than that as long as there aren't any fleet names from NXWM then it won't be to much of a problem.
The school services are available to the public.
Seen 4044 earlier on Warwick Road. Was baffled for a second as two 885's had just gone past. Then I saw the fleet number and thought, eh? I'm sure that's a WB Plaxton.
Quote from: MW on January 10, 2017, 07:10:25 PM
Seen 4044 earlier on Warwick Road. Was baffled for a second as two 885's had just gone past. Then I saw the fleet number and thought, eh? I'm sure that's a WB Plaxton.
Green bus now have 5 Presidentsm see nxwm fleetchanges page, and are going to take 5 more
Does anyone know why ex 1415 P415 EJW is parked up in the green buses yard its seen on the photo site when the photo of 4084 was took.
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on January 21, 2017, 09:19:24 PM
Does anyone know why ex 1415 P415 EJW is parked up in the green buses yard its seen on the photo site when the photo of 4084 was took.
Because that's where the owners park it
Most of their 2017/18 routes are now on their website.
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/schools/17-18/
How long before we see the ex travel wm president's in the green bus livery or have got them short term before selling them on.
Olympian S922YOO has been purchased by Ridleys Coaches (Kenilworth)
Theirs some pictures on their Facebook page.
Ex WM 4044 now carrying fleet no 344
None of the ex NXBUS bus ones at green bus are painted
V101 MOA carrying fleet number 301 at The National Arboretum today.
4044 (344) now has a Green Bus fleetname.
4101 (301) is on the 844 today. At Ward End, The Fox and Goose at 07:40 this morning.
V84 MOA is shown on the Green Bus fleet list as No 384. Disposals show it as sold to Transdev. Which is correct please? Are many of the Spectras and Olympians still in service? I haven't seen any of them for sometime.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on May 01, 2017, 07:34:00 PM
V84 MOA is shown on the Green Bus fleet list as No 384. Disposals show it as sold to Transdev. Which is correct please? Are many of the Spectras and Olympians still in service? I haven't seen any of them for sometime.
None of the Spectra and Olympians at Green Bus are in service anymore.
Have they kept 365 as it the open topper for private hire orvhas that gone as well & will convert 1 of the other buses
Quote from: 2206 on May 01, 2017, 07:36:20 PM
None of the Spectra and Olympians at Green Bus are in service anymore.
365 was in use on schools last week (with roof fitted!)
Olympian 365 is on the 782 today, On Edgbaston Road, by the Pershore Road and Edgbaston Cricket Ground at about 16:10 today.
Just passed President 351 (ex NXWM 4051) at Salford Circus. It's now had it's red front painted white.
120 is now the usual bus on the 844.
120 was on there on Tuesday and today, 121 yesterday.
It used to always be 4044.
101 parked up at Coventry station this afternoon
Quote from: 2206 on May 01, 2017, 07:36:20 PM
None of the Spectra and Olympians at Green Bus are in service anymore.
P929 RYO was working the 782 this morning...
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 10, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
P929 RYO was working the 782 this morning...
929 isn't DDA complaint is it? Don't they have to be DDA complaint on the school services as they are available to the general public and registered?
Quote from: 2206 on July 10, 2017, 10:02:22 PM
929 isn't DDA complaint is it? Don't they have to be DDA complaint on the school services as they are available to the general public and registered?
Some Green Bus schools are private contracts
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
Some Green Bus schools are private contracts
The 782 is available to the general public though and scrolls "service available to the general public on the display.
The "service available part is seen on its display there -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/35552247956/
Which ones are private contracts, all the ones shown on the website are available to the public and registered? Do they have others on top of them, or do you mean the private hires they do?
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2017, 05:21:14 PM
The 782 is available to the general public though and scrolls "service available to the general public on the display.
The "service available part is seen on its display there -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/35552247956/
Which ones are private contracts, all the ones shown on the website are available to the public and registered? Do they have others on top of them, or do you mean the private hires they do?
Sorry to off topic but that is such a half arsed repaint
Quote from: Lukeee on July 11, 2017, 10:57:11 PM
Sorry to off topic but that is such a half arsed repaint
Sticker in the upstairs window ought to read the white bus!!
Presidents 101, 301 and 304 are on London Midland Longbridge-Redditch Rail Replacement
PD1050400/92 Cancelled
THE GREEN TRANSPORT COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Saltley Trading Estate, Birmingham to King Edward V1 Five Ways School via Alum Rock, Yardley, Hay Mills, Acocks Green, Moseley, Bounville, Northfield
Service number: 782
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/59 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Tividale (Dudley Road West) to Bartley Green (Scotland Lane) via Dudley, Segeley, Penn, Stourbridge, Hagley, Halesowen
Service number: 886
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/58 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Fairfield to Birmingham (Town Hall) via Bromsgrove, Barnt Green, Rubery
Service number: 885
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/66 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Hay Mills, Coventry Road (Holder Road) to Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road) via Solihull, Dorridge, Monkspath, Shirley, Dickens Heath, Kings Norton, Barnt Green
Service number: 884
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/63 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Hamstead (Green Lane) to Halesowen (Bus Station) via Handsworth, Smethwick, Londonderry, Harborne, Quinton, Bartley Green
Service number: 881
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/62 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Walsall Broadway North to Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Green) via Tamebridge, Hamstead, Handsworth, Bearwood, Quinton
Service number: 873
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/61 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Dorridge (Grange Road) to Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Road) via Minkspath, Chewick Green, Dickens Heath, Hall Green
Service number: 872
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/60 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Yardley, Coventry Road (Swan Centre) to Kings Heath, Vicarage Road (Howard Road) via Hampton in Arden, Solihull, Hall Green
Service number: 871
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/67 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Edgbaston (Harborne Road) to Walsall (lichfield Street) via Bearwood, Handsworth, Hamstead, Great Barr
Service number: 851
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/57 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Aldridge (Walsall Road) to Aston (Albert Road) via Walsall, Yew Tree Estate, Great Barr, Hamstead
Service number: 848
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/56 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Northfield (lockwood Road) to Aston (Albert Road) via Harborne. Quinton, Londonderry
Service number: 847
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/55 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Selly Park (Pebble Mill Road) to Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) via Stirchley, Kings Heath, Moseley
Service number: 846
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/54 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Shirley (Monkspath Hall Road) to Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) via Hall Green, Hay Mills, Alum Roack
Service number: 845
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/53 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Damsonwood to Handsworth, Grove Lane via Solihull, Yardley, Stechford
Service number: 844
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/68 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Hill Hook (Bishops Way) to Handsworth (Rose Hill Road) via Mere Green, Roughley, Walmley
Service number: 843
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/69 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Streetly (Foley Road West) to Handsworth (Grove Lane) via Little Aston, Four Oaks, Sutton Coldfield, Wylde Green
Service number: 842
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/65 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Stechford (Audley Road) to Harborne, War Lane (Lordswood Road) via Tile Cross, Sheldon, Damsonwood, Solihull, Yardley Wood, Kings Heath, Northfield
Service number: 883
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/73 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Scotland Lane, Birmingham to King Edward VI Aston School for Boys via Lapal, Quinton Bearwood, Smethwick & Cape Hill
Service number: 841
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
PD1090982/72 Registered
THE GREEN BUS COMPANY LIMITED
Route: Great King Street North, Hockley. Birmingham to King Edward VI Five Ways School via Newtown, Saltley, Alum Rock, Hay Mills, Sparkhill, Moseley, Selly Park, Bournville
Service number: 882
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Sep 2017
They're just the new school services for September 2017 - July 2018 and they've been on the Green Bus website for all to see for over 5 months now, since February 19th, if anyone is interested
@Stuharris 6360 https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/schools/17-18/
Interesting that they're all effective from 18th September, not the actual start of the school year a couple of weeks before
Quote from: Kevin on August 01, 2017, 07:10:43 AM
Interesting that they're all effective from 18th September, not the actual start of the school year a couple of weeks before
Yes, the school year starts around the 4th September, so 2 weeks after the start, I wander why?
Quote from: 2206 on July 31, 2017, 10:28:07 PM
They're just the new school services for September 2017 - July 2018 and they've been on the Green Bus website for all to see for over 5 months now, since February 19th, if anyone is interested @Stuharris 6360
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/schools/17-18/
They may have been on the website since February, but until they are approved by VOSA they cannot actually operate them!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 01, 2017, 11:38:19 AM
They may have been on the website since February, but until they are approved by VOSA they cannot actually operate them!
Out of interest for what reasons would they not be approved by VOSA?
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Out of interest for what reasons would they not be approved by VOSA?
Because they can't be submitted anymore than 56 days before date of implementation only less than 56 days if a short notice registration.
If they were registered in Feb, they would have appeared on VOSA long before now.
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Out of interest for what reasons would they not be approved by VOSA?
Remember
@2206 that approval by VOSA is not just a rubber stamping exercise, they will want to make checks which would include to ensure that the service(s) that the company are asking to operate can be done so legally. For example, if the Traffic Commissioner had gave authority for Green Bus to operate 5 vehicles just say, and yet they had applied to run all those services, then VOSA would be asking how can you do it without illegallly operating extra vehicles, presumably they would also check that the company has had no restrictions applied to it by the TC and also to ensure that the correct paperwork has been sent to the Local Authority(s) that the service will operate in.
Quote from: Kevin on August 01, 2017, 07:10:43 AM
Interesting that they're all effective from 18th September, not the actual start of the school year a couple of weeks before
Couldn't they operate a free service for the first 2 weeks though, isn't that what they did when they first started on the 22? I assume that is what they'll do?
Thank for the explanation
@Stuharris 6360
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2017, 03:06:58 PM
Couldn't they operate a free service for the first 2 weeks though, isn't that what they did when they first started on the 22? I assume that is what they'll do?
Thank for the explanation @Stuharris 6360
Do Green Bus have termly passes, if so wouldn't really make much difference.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 01, 2017, 03:11:54 PM
Do Green Bus have termly passes, if so wouldn't really make much difference.
A single ticket for £2.50, you can use N bus passes and tickets on it and they have annual passess. So it would make a difference for anyone who'd buy a ticket.
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2017, 03:16:49 PM
A single ticket for £2.50, you can use N bus passes and tickets on it and they have annual passess. So it would make a difference for anyone who'd buy a ticket.
Ah right, so it would make no difference if they have bought termy passes, but anyone who would have to pay would have to go free maybe?
Saw 929 out on the 848 at Scott Arms this morning
Nice to see (and hear) an Olympian still out and about earning it's keep because I assumed this had gone by now. Can't be economic to keep it going though surely?
Quote from: Kevin on October 04, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Saw 929 out on the 848 at Scott Arms this morning
Nice to see (and hear) an Olympian still out and about earning it's keep because I assumed this had gone by now. Can't be economic to keep it going though surely?
Thandi also still run one for the SWB Academy services, it usually passes me going the other way down the Birmingham New Road most mornings, when I'm on my way into Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Kevin on October 04, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Saw 929 out on the 848 at Scott Arms this morning
Nice to see (and hear) an Olympian still out and about earning it's keep because I assumed this had gone by now. Can't be economic to keep it going though surely?
929, P929RYO was on the 844 this evening, on Flaxley Road in Stechford by Stechford Retail Park at about 16:50, following the 11 route to Acocks Green and then going towards Sheldon, Wheatsheaf.
It also displays that it's also "available to the General Public". So how come they can still use 929 on public bus services, when it wouldn't be DDA compliant, is it registered as a coach?
Olympian 364 operated this afternoons 844.
The bus on the 844 today, doesn't have a working destination display.
It was either, 101, 102, 103, or 105.
TGB have been complaining, according to this persons comments, on the news that they can't afford to upgrade there vehicles?
https://en-gb.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/1704287836299298
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
I cannot see any exclusions for infrequent services in the Solihull one - below is an extract...
1. SERVICE STANDARDS
1.1 ALL registered local bus services operating within the Scheme Area are required
to participate in the scheme, unless excluded due to being:
i) services which operate for the primary purpose of carrying schoolchildren
or students between their home and a school or Further Education College
at the start or finish of the day; or
ii) Community Transport or Ring and Ride services which are restricted to use
by pre-registered passengers only; or
iii) an excursion, tour service, inter-urban or other agreed non-scheduled
service with the exception of any Scheduled Coach Service which operates
outside the requirements to register as a local bus service under the
requirements contained in the Transport Act 1985; or
iv) any National Rail (whether procured directly by them or via a Train
Operating Company) which are not registered as a Local Service in
accordance with Section 6 of the Transport Act 1985. However any
operator of such a service MUST gain the permission from the WMCA to
use any of facilities specifically provided for this agreement; or
v) any Local Services operating within the Scheme Area but which do not stop
at any bus stop within the Scheme Area; or
vi) exempt from the requirements of Part II, Regulation 3 of the Public Service
Vehicle Accessibility Regulations 2000 (SI 1970 of 2000), by virtue of
according with Part II, Regulation 4(1)(f) of those Regulations (vehicle
being over 20 years old and not used to provide a local service or a
scheduled service for more than 20 days in any calendar year, hereafter
referred to as a "heritage vehicle"). However any operator of such a service
MUST gain the permission from WMCA to use any of facilities specifically
provided for this agreement;
vii) any service that has an allocated stop within the scheme area but also
does not have any registered stops within a two Kilometre straight line
distance outside of the scheme boundary and is operated using a vehicle
that meets the legal requirements of a coach.
"Matthew Reppin Mckenzie - Rotala are probably not going to be in business around the west Midlands soon anyway. Especially when these new clean air zone's come into force in solihull and Birmingham I can see lots of companies such as green bus, who were mentioned today on news feed. The owner said it if TfWM can't assist them with the conversions, they can't afford to. I would expect a lot more companies going bump or being bought out or moving to operate outside the west Midlands"
They don't enter Birmingham City Centre and only operate school services, so if it the Solihull scheme excludes school services what exactly would they be complaining about?
Quote from: 2206 on January 22, 2018, 07:53:44 PM
They don't enter Birmingham City Centre and only operate school services, so if it the Solihull scheme excludes school services what exactly would they be complaining about?
Realising too late the false economy of buying a load of knackered old buses on the cheap from NX Bus. ;D
Quote from: Stu on January 22, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
Realising too late the false economy of buying a load of knackered old buses on the cheap from NX Bus. ;D
I'm not sure. I have had the details of the Wolverhampton one again today, and that also excludes school services and Private Hires
Quote from: Stu on January 22, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
Realising too late the false economy of buying a load of knackered old buses on the cheap from NX Bus. ;D
That's probably just the excuse for not being bothered to paint them ::)
Quote from: 2206 on January 22, 2018, 07:53:44 PM
"Matthew Reppin Mckenzie - Rotala are probably not going to be in business around the west Midlands soon anyway. Especially when these new clean air zone's come into force in solihull and Birmingham I can see lots of companies such as green bus, who were mentioned today on news feed. The owner said it if TfWM can't assist them with the conversions, they can't afford to. I would expect a lot more companies going bump or being bought out or moving to operate outside the west Midlands"
NX, Diamond, Johnson's, Central Buses & Claribels are the safe ones. This is going to hit the smaller indepedan operators with the clapped out Darts. It'll allow these operators to turn up the notch to compete against each other. For example, one of the companies I've just mentioned will have the means to compete with NX on routes like the 71E/72/966.
As I said before, I reckon Sunny/Social/DTS and any others could perhaps join forces and compete on the 11, as that seems to be unaffected. That's what I'd do if I was one of these companies. Make a proper brand and slap £2 flat fares or something similar all over the buses. With the revenue, eventually invest in better stuff to compete with NX.
Quote from: MW on January 22, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
NX, Diamond, Johnson's, Central Buses & Claribels are the safe ones. This is going to hit the smaller indepedan operators with the clapped out Darts. It'll allow these operators to turn up the notch to compete against each other. For example, one of the companies I've just mentioned will have the means to compete with NX on routes like the 71E/72/966.
As I said before, I reckon Sunny/Social/DTS and any others could perhaps join forces and compete on the 11, as that seems to be unaffected. That's what I'd do if I was one of these companies. Make a proper brand and slap £2 flat fares or something similar all over the buses. With the revenue, eventually invest in better stuff to compete with NX.
Igo are safe as well.
New school services for September 2018 - July 2019 are now on there website.
Quote from: Stu on December 29, 2016, 07:47:23 AM
The bridge on Lincoln Road. Metrobuses used to get under, if they went down the middle of the road. Perhaps the height restriction has changed since then, but I used to get the 30 every day, the usual allocation was Metrobuses until it was initially withdrawn and replaced with the S3.
Looking at it as well there will be deckers going under the Lincoln Road bridge in Acocks Green from September as they've routed there 883 under it.
Quote from: MW on January 22, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
NX, Diamond, Johnson's, Central Buses & Claribels are the safe ones. This is going to hit the smaller indepedan operators with the clapped out Darts. It'll allow these operators to turn up the notch to compete against each other. For example, one of the companies I've just mentioned will have the means to compete with NX on routes like the 71E/72/966.
As I said before, I reckon Sunny/Social/DTS and any others could perhaps join forces and compete on the 11, as that seems to be unaffected. That's what I'd do if I was one of these companies. Make a proper brand and slap £2 flat fares or something similar all over the buses. With the revenue, eventually invest in better stuff to compete with NX.
They'll simply just teminate existing services early or just move on to other routes/areas that operate outside of the AQPS Emission Zones.
The latest fleetlist on the Green Bus website makes interesting reading. Where have all the ex NXWM Volvos gone?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 24, 2018, 10:51:22 AM
The latest fleetlist on the Green Bus website makes interesting reading. Where have all the ex NXWM Volvos gone?
They haven't gone anywhere, ex NX 4044 was on the 843 on Monday.
Thats not a new fleetlist, its been up for some time. They've never added the Presidents to that fleetlist.
Yes they did add the volvo's the list, not sure why they have removed them and shrunk the list for a select few of buses!!
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2018, 08:44:10 PM
I'm not sure. I have had the details of the Wolverhampton one again today, and that also excludes school services and Private Hires
Would I be right in thinking this would exclude Travel Express and Select, and possibly Banga too from the city centre unless they can afford to upgrade?
Quote from: DJ98 on January 25, 2018, 07:34:28 AM
Would I be right in thinking this would exclude Travel Express and Select, and possibly Banga too from the city centre unless they can afford to upgrade?
Remember Wolverhampton is still two years away before Euro 5 kicks in, so Select already have one bus fit for 2020, in the next two years some of the vehicles from those fleets will need replacing anyway, so they have had warning and will need to replace them with suitable vehicles. They have 3 years to sort out for Euro 6, by which time I would imagine some elderly London buses will be on the market with traps fitted for them to buy.
Travel Express will either also have to buy a tin of paint, or buy all their buses from one operator as livery is another specification, but again they could get around that by buying half a dozen trapped London Darts and just have London Red as their livery.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 08:33:35 AM
Remember Wolverhampton is still two years away before Euro 5 kicks in, so Select already have one bus fit for 2020, in the next two years some of the vehicles from those fleets will need replacing anyway, so they have had warning and will need to replace them with suitable vehicles. They have 3 years to sort out for Euro 6, by which time I would imagine some elderly London buses will be on the market with traps fitted for them to buy.
Travel Express will either also have to buy a tin of paint, or buy all their buses from one operator as livery is another specification, but again they could get around that by buying half a dozen trapped London Darts and just have London Red as their livery.
Diamond have many different liveries too. Will this rule apply to them?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 25, 2018, 09:44:38 AM
Diamond have many different liveries too. Will this rule apply to them?
The livery rule applies to everyone, so while your changing livery Diamond's Black & Blue are OK, at the moment they are breaking AQPS rules in Birmingham by using 30502 and the white Solos as the rules state you should not use vehicles in a previous operator's livery.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 09:49:38 AM
The livery rule applies to everyone, so while your changing livery Diamond's Black & Blue are OK, at the moment they are breaking AQPS rules in Birmingham by using 30502 and the white Solos as the rules state you should not use vehicles in a previous operator's livery.
Do operators currently get fined for breaking AQPS rules? Or just a wrap on the knuckles at present?
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2018, 10:00:59 AM
Do operators currently get fined for breaking AQPS rules? Or just a wrap on the knuckles at present?
It is for the TC to enforce AQPS.
If TfWM notice any rules being broken they can report them to the TC who can call operators to a Public Inquiry.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
It is for the TC to enforce AQPS.
If TfWM notice any rules being broken they can report them to the TC who can call operators to a Public Inquiry.
I assume TfWM are yet to do that.
Do all operators have to sign up to the AQPS Scheme? Or is a mandatory requirement to comply with requirements if they want to enter that area with their services
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2018, 10:13:49 AM
I assume TfWM are yet to do that.
Do all operators have to sign up to the AQPS Scheme? Or is a mandatory requirement to comply with requirements if they want to enter that area with their services
It is a requirement to sign up if you wish to use any of the bus stops within the AQPS area with a stage carriage service that meets the rules of that particular AQPS. So there would be nothing to stop an operator registering a service that ran through the area, as long as they didn't want to stop within it. They all normally have a rule that the service has to also stop within 2km of the area, so for instance someone could register a service starting in Solihull, running non-stop to Chelmsley Wood, then all stops to Sutton Coldfield and it wouldn't have to meet the rules
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 10:26:55 AM
It is a requirement to sign up if you wish to use any of the bus stops within the AQPS area with a stage carriage service that meets the rules of that particular AQPS. So there would be nothing to stop an operator registering a service that ran through the area, as long as they didn't want to stop within it. They all normally have a rule that the service has to also stop within 2km of the area, so for instance someone could register a service starting in Solihull, running non-stop to Chelmsley Wood, then all stops to Sutton Coldfield and it wouldn't have to meet the rules
Doesn't allowing an operator to still run through said areas using non compliant buses defeat the object of introducing low emission zones / raising quality standards etc? I expected the AQPS zone to be enforced / operators must comply once they enter the zone regardless.
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2018, 10:37:35 AM
Doesn't allowing an operator to still run through said areas using non compliant buses defeat the object of introducing low emission zones / raising quality standards etc? I expected the AQPS zone to be enforced / operators must comply once they enter the zone regardless.
The Birmingham one is being extended out as far as, and including the 8 route. No one in their right mind would register a service through that without stopping
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
The Birmingham one is being extended out as far as, and including the 8 route. No one in their right mind would register a service through that without stopping
If it's being extended that far out of the City then that's okay, I just think keep things simple / don't create any potential loop holes I.e. as per the London Congestion Scheme, one you cross the in to the zone you pay full stop.
The school buses that are excluded from AQPS emission requirements are typically the most polluting, even though they may only have 1 AM & PM departure
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 08:33:35 AM
Remember Wolverhampton is still two years away before Euro 5 kicks in, so Select already have one bus fit for 2020, in the next two years some of the vehicles from those fleets will need replacing anyway, so they have had warning and will need to replace them with suitable vehicles. They have 3 years to sort out for Euro 6, by which time I would imagine some elderly London buses will be on the market with traps fitted for them to buy.
Travel Express will either also have to buy a tin of paint, or buy all their buses from one operator as livery is another specification, but again they could get around that by buying half a dozen trapped London Darts and just have London Red as their livery.
Thanks for explaining it a bit better, I wasn't really aware of the details for Wolverhampton. From what I've seen over the past few months of commuting to Wolverhampton and back most days, Travel Express only really use their red vehicles with the 'Let's Go!' branding, I don't think I can recall seeing any of their non-red buses.
Do you know if any of Banga's buses are compliant at all? They have a nice uniform fleet, but their Solo's don't exactly seem to be the cleanest of buses. Also, how would this effect the council's free shuttle bus that runs round the centre? Would that have to be made compliant or would that be exempt?
Banga doesn't have any Euro 5 so needs to sort his fleet out by 2020
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 09:49:38 AM
The livery rule applies to everyone, so while your changing livery Diamond's Black & Blue are OK, at the moment they are breaking AQPS rules in Birmingham by using 30502 and the white Solos as the rules state you should not use vehicles in a previous operator's livery.
Technically though Tony 30502 is wessex which is their own operation while the white solos are dealer stock, so home of those are in a previous operators livery. However they couldn't use the arriva liveried darts as they are still in a previous operators livery.
Solihull aqps still has 2 operators breaking the scheme with drivers not having a uniform & buses taking extended breaks up at the station. The trouble with the schemes is that they aren't enforced as rigerously as they should be.
This is the form all operators signed for the Birmingham SQPS
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/1184/birmingham-city-centre-sqps-operator-undertaking.pdf
As you can see the maximum penalty is £550 times the number of vehicles operated or exclusion from some routes.
Steve you are wrong about 30502 and white vehicles.
The rules clearly state in 2.8.1
Vehicles must be..........in appropriate finished livery,
which clearly identifies either the bus operator or branded route.
so Claribels' E200 do not do either.
section 2.8.2 states
No vehicles are to be used which remain in a livery belonging to a
previous operator under any circumstances or bear any previous
operator's branding or other information.
Wessex while being in the same ownership is a separate operator with a separate operator's license
I thought select might have a couple of buses that meet criteria, would imagine their 2 enviros wouldn't be far off, and I'm sure their ex lothian spds might be trapped. as for banga, wouldnt their primo comply? arriva would have to watch what vehicles they use on the various versions of the 10, and 9 service too
Quote from: mranon on January 25, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
as for banga, wouldnt their primo comply?
It's 12 years old, older than all of NXWM's Enviro 400s and up to 4830 don't comply by 2020 and Even the Hybrids don't by 2021!
364 did the AM 843 this morning, usually 344.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2018, 03:08:35 PM
It's 12 years old, older than all of NXWM's Enviro 400s and up to 4830 don't comply by 2020 and Even the Hybrids don't by 2021!
Not sure where you got the idea a 60 plate (registered latter half of 2010, first 3 months of 2011), would be 12 years old in 2018 (8 years later, well 7 and a bit). The reg is YX60 DXF...
Is cash still accepted on TGB services and how much is it to use their services??
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 31, 2018, 01:27:52 AM
Is cash still accepted on TGB services and how much is it to use their services??
Single fares are shown for each service, looks to be £2.40 to 2.60:
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/school/
Cash fares are not accepted, need to use a SWIFT pay-as-you-go card:
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/swiftcard/
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 31, 2018, 01:27:52 AM
Is cash still accepted on TGB services and how much is it to use their services??
I caught a 782 a few months back, the driver told me you can either use a N Bus Pass and a Swift Pay as You Go Pass - it takes £2.60 of the Swift Card.
A photo has appeared on Flickr of V102 MOA and V104 MOA in Vamooz livery...
https://flic.kr/p/FqyuVc
I make it 9 ex nxbuses president's at green bus for the Birmingham school services they run .with 2 up north
Quote from: Solo1 on March 13, 2018, 10:30:25 PM
I make it 9 ex nxbuses president's at green bus for the Birmingham school services they run .with 2 up north
Quite ironic that the majority of their fleet won't actually be painted green then...
Quote from: metrocity on March 14, 2018, 07:11:43 AM
Quite ironic that the majority of their fleet won't actually be painted green then...
Seems like the Green Bus is struggling these days, presentation standards aren't what they used to be....
Wonder if they will be painting the ex nx bus president's as they have had them for quite a while & have had time with the school holidays they have Easter in a few weeks so never know may paint some of them
Quote from: Solo1 on March 14, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
Wonder if they will be painting the ex nx bus president's as they have had them for quite a while & have had time with the school holidays they have Easter in a few weeks so never know may paint some of them
4102 & 4104 have both just been painted, as per the message above
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2018, 10:16:13 AM
4102 & 4104 have both just been painted, as per the message above
I did read that I was saying the ones green bus has now will they be painting them
Quote from: Solo1 on March 14, 2018, 01:14:27 PM
I did read that I was saying the ones green bus has now will they be painting them
Yes, they have just repainted two
Just seen former Green Bus Olympian R363LGH parked outside Souls depot in Olney. Still in full Green Bus livery.
A VAMOOZ Plaxton President was sighted on the school 848 yesterday afternoon.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 21, 2018, 08:22:32 AM
A VAMOOZ Plaxton President was sighted on the school 848 yesterday afternoon.
Have any of the VAMOOZes actually Vamoozed or do they just do school services? The only one I've seen was running empty round about school chucking-out time and the destination was a phone number.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/39136128930/in/dateposted/
Quote from: DeanM66A on March 21, 2018, 10:06:40 PM
Have any of the VAMOOZes actually Vamoozed or do they just do school services? The only one I've seen was running empty round about school chucking-out time and the destination was a phone number.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/39136128930/in/dateposted/
First Vamooz is to Alton Towers on Friday 30th March, with pickups from Birmingham, Erdington, Wylde Green and Sutton Coldfield.
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/973971022591471619
https://twitter.com/goVAMOOZ/status/976538673855557632
Quote from: 2206 on March 21, 2018, 10:15:53 PM
First Vamooz is to Alton Towers on Friday 30th March, with pickups from Birmingham, Erdington, Wylde Green and Sutton Coldfield.
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/973971022591471619
https://twitter.com/goVAMOOZ/status/976538673855557632
The first of those twitter links states that the trip is available to Queen Mary's pupils (and presumably nobody else). So what's the difference between this Vamooz to Fawlty Towers and Queen Mary's Schools hiring a coach from any Walsall coach operator for a day trip to Fawlty Towers?
Quote from: DeanM66A on March 22, 2018, 11:07:00 AM
The first of those twitter links states that the trip is available to Queen Mary's pupils (and presumably nobody else). So what's the difference between this Vamooz to Fawlty Towers and Queen Mary's Schools hiring a coach from any Walsall coach operator for a day trip to Fawlty Towers?
It looks to me like its open to anyone and they're trying to get Queen Mary's pupils in Walsall to book tickets. The vamooz twitter says nothing about it only being open to certain people.
If it was only open to Queen Mary's pupils then surely the pickup point would be Queen Marys and not Birmingham, Wylde Green, Erdington and Sutton Coldfield.
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
It looks to me like its open to anyone and they're trying to get Queen Mary's pupils in Walsall to book tickets.
If it was only open to Queen Mary's pupils then surely the pickup point would be Queen Marys and not Birmingham, Wylde Green, Erdington and Sutton Coldfield.
Most QM kids live in Sutton and Brum so actually makes sense to me (was my old school)
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2018, 06:08:51 PM
It looks to me like its open to anyone and they're trying to get Queen Mary's pupils in Walsall to book tickets. The vamooz twitter says nothing about it only being open to certain people.
If it was only open to Queen Mary's pupils then surely the pickup point would be Queen Marys and not Birmingham, Wylde Green, Erdington and Sutton Coldfield.
This is what it says on the Green Bus Twitter:
Our first VAMOOZ trip to @altontowers on Friday 30 March 2018 picks up in Birmingham, Erdington, Wylde Green, and Sutton Coldfield and is available to pupils at @qmgs1554 and @QMHSOFFICIAL. Download the @goVAMOOZ app for more info!
My interpretation of that is that this is exclusively for QM pupils.
The Vamooz Twitter doesn't say anything specific. It seems to be necessary to download the app to find out more. So I've lost interest. ;D
V104 MOA is the bus to Alton Towers today.
Quote from: DeanM66A on March 22, 2018, 07:51:38 PM
This is what it says on the Green Bus Twitter:
Our first VAMOOZ trip to @altontowers on Friday 30 March 2018 picks up in Birmingham, Erdington, Wylde Green, and Sutton Coldfield and is available to pupils at @qmgs1554 and @QMHSOFFICIAL. Download the @goVAMOOZ app for more info!
My interpretation of that is that this is exclusively for QM pupils.
The Vamooz Twitter doesn't say anything specific. It seems to be necessary to download the app to find out more. So I've lost interest. ;D
The trip carried less than 10 passengers in the end so I don't think you were the only one
Quote from: metrocity on April 13, 2018, 03:24:06 PM
The trip carried less than 10 passengers in the end so I don't think you were the only one
Not many people are going to be looking at the Green Bus Twitter Page or Vamooz Twitter Page either, to find out about these trips, if they wanted to use it.
Most in the West Midlands have probably never heard of Vamooz.
Quote from: 2206 on April 13, 2018, 03:26:19 PM
Not many people are going to be looking at the Green Bus Twitter Page or Vamooz Twitter Page either, to find out about these trips, if they wanted to use it.
Most in the West Midlands have probably never heard of Vamooz.
The principle of VAMOOZ is good. I'm sure it will be a success providing Greenbus invest money in a robust marketing campaign
115 was in Stechford (30 minutes late, looking at the timetable) at 08:00 on the 844 this morning.
Vamooz trip to Potteries Bus & Coach Rally and Running Day - 24th June 2018
With no running days on in the West Midlands that weekend, why not join us to the Potteries?
Taking a former National Express Plaxton President bodied Volvo B7TL for some rare Motorway usage, we will zoom from Birmingham to Stafford and beyond to Stoke on Trent.
We will be making Pick Ups in Birmingham, Perry Barr, Walsall and Stafford.
07:40 - GreenBus Depot, Hockley.
08:00 - Birmingham Station Street (NS13)
08:10 - Perry Barr, Railway Station
08:20 - Great Barr, Scotts Arms (Outside Greggs)
08:30 - Walsall, Hatherton Road (Coach Pick Up)
09:10 - Stafford Railway Station
09:50 - Arrival at Potteries Bus & Coach Rally and Running Day
While here we will be operating a couple of trips on behalf of the event
17:00 - Departure on return.
By following the X51 route out of Birmingham to Walsall, if anyone wishes to board/Alight between the main points please let us know in advance
Prices start at £10 and reduce as more people join the trip!
Why not join us? When you download the Vamooz App, you get £5 of your first trip - Taking the price from £10 and cutting it in half!!
So why not join us!
Sorry folks, original poster was wrong, now correct one with correct date added
Quote from: jc on April 26, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
Vamooz trip to Potteries Bus & Coach Rally and Running Day - 24th June 2018
With no running days on in the West Midlands that weekend, why not join us to the Potteries?
Taking a former National Express Plaxton President bodied Volvo B7TL for some rare Motorway usage, we will zoom from Birmingham to Stafford and beyond to Stoke on Trent.
We will be making Pick Ups in Birmingham, Perry Barr, Walsall and Stafford.
07:40 - GreenBus Depot, Hockley.
08:00 - Birmingham Station Street (NS13)
08:10 - Perry Barr, Railway Station
08:20 - Great Barr, Scotts Arms (Outside Greggs)
08:30 - Walsall, Hatherton Road (Coach Pick Up)
09:10 - Stafford Railway Station
09:50 - Arrival at Potteries Bus & Coach Rally and Running Day
While here we will be operating a couple of trips on behalf of the event
17:00 - Departure on return.
By following the X51 route out of Birmingham to Walsall, if anyone wishes to board/Alight between the main points please let us know in advance
Prices start at £10 and reduce as more people join the trip!
Why not join us? When you download the Vamooz App, you get £5 of your first trip - Taking the price from £10 and cutting it in half!!
So why not join us!
Sorry folks, original poster was wrong, now correct one with correct date added
If they are anything like they were at NX then they will be 'zooming' at 40mph up the motorway !
Gearbox's and Engines have been modified to remove the lower restriction, obviously still restricted within the law but allows better use when on Private Hires on stuff like A roads and Motorways
Good Evening All, I hope the admin don't mind another Vamooz plug! Please delete if inappropriate.
In just under a week now, we will be travelling north to the Potteries Bus and Coach Rally and Running Day 2018, why not join us?
With pick ups from Hockley, Birmingham, Perry Barr, Walsall and Stafford amongst others along the route, why not take a trip out of the midlands with us at a bargain price!
The intention is to use former National Express 4112, W112DOP, Our current 312, The vehicle has had the Gearbox re-mapped so it can now run above the 45mph it was restricted to in former life, so why not have a ride?
Prices start at £10, however looking on the app this morning the price has already dropped to £9.52, for first time Vamoozer's there is a £5 off offer, so why not have a day out to Stoke on Trent for as little as £5?
Our pick up points will be
07:40 - GreenBus Depot, Hockley.
08:00 - Birmingham Station Street (NS13)
08:10 - Perry Barr, Railway Station
08:20 - Great Barr, Scotts Arms (Outside Greggs)
08:30 - Walsall, Hatherton Road (Coach Pick Up)
09:10 - Stafford Railway Station
09:50 - Arrival at Potteries Bus & Coach Rally and Running Day
While here we will be operating a couple of trips on behalf of the event
17:00 - Departure on return.
Hi, I've joined the trip and it's showing under My Trips, although on the home page it says it still needs a few more people to run. Will it be going ahead or not, as I need to plan an alternative way of getting there if not? Thanks.
Yes the trip will be running, please ignore that comment, the trip is definitely going ahead as planned!
Quote from: jc on June 23, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
Yes the trip will be running, please ignore that comment, the trip is definitely going ahead as planned!
Great, thanks. I guess I didn't need to ring up then had I checked here first. The only downside is that there aren't any buses running into Walsall until later in the day, so it looks like I'm having a nice gentle cycle along the canals to get there.
We are following the 51 route from Birmingham mate, is this any good for you?
Quote from: jc on June 23, 2018, 06:54:12 PM
We are following the 51 route from Birmingham mate, is this any good for you?
Nah, I'm coming from Tipton, I can do the whole route along the canals though pretty much so it's no issue.
Ah excellent stuff! Shame services are so poor on a Sunday morning in parts!
Quote from: jc on June 23, 2018, 08:22:29 PM
Ah excellent stuff! Shame services are so poor on a Sunday morning in parts!
Yeah, but it does mean I get more exercise I guess. Do you happen to know which stop is the coach pick up point in Walsall, as there's multiple stops on Hatherton Road? Thanks.
Quote from: StourValley98 on June 24, 2018, 08:24:39 AM
Yeah, but it does mean I get more exercise I guess. Do you happen to know which stop is the coach pick up point in Walsall, as there's multiple stops on Hatherton Road? Thanks.
You're better off ringing The Green Bus direct and asking.
Quote from: MW on June 24, 2018, 08:40:43 AM
You're better off ringing The Green Bus direct and asking.
It's all good, I had the wrong stop but I made it to the one further down the road. Off to Stoke we go! 😉
312 (W112DOP - Ex NXWM 4112) is in Birmingham City Centre today, on the High Street.
Its parked up outside Barclays (opposite Marks and Spencer).
I saw it there at about 09:45 advertising Vamooz and promoting catch the bus week.
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1012995700802637824
Quote from: 2206 on June 30, 2018, 11:25:14 AM
312 (W112DOP - Ex NXWM 4112) is in Birmingham City Centre today, on the High Street.
Its parked up outside Barclays (opposite Marks and Spencer).
I saw it there at about 09:45 advertising Vamooz and promoting catch the bus week.
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1012995700802637824
Promoting Catch the bus week??? The vehicle is almost 20 years old!! Hardly going to attract people out of their car...
Quote from: metrocity on June 30, 2018, 09:22:37 PM
Promoting Catch the bus week??? The vehicle is almost 20 years old!! Hardly going to attract people out of their car...
It was fun seeing it struggling to leave High Street with swarms of people coming from every direction there is possible.
344 (V544MOA - ex NXWM 4044) came down Dartmouth Middleway and Nechells Parkway heading towards Saltley at about 10:50 today and returned in the opposite direction at about 12:55 with "It's Coming Home" on the destination display.
And 121 passed the Fox And Goose approximately 10 minutes ago at about 15:05 travelling along Bromford Lane and Stechford Road going towards Stechford, with the same thing on the destination display whilst operating a Private Hire.
Looks like Green Bus have updated their destination blinds now that England have been knocked out of the World Cup...Saw a Green Bus Trident pass me in Kingstanding whilst running empty to do the 842, with a sad face ( :( ) emoji on the blind. Then just passed another on Newtown Row with "Football's not coming home" on the blind...Well that's one way to change the blind from "It's coming home!"
I've just got off Olympian 364 on a private hire and has just had a bucket of cold water thrown over it to cool it down from nearly overheating on Beeches Road.
Greenbus are advertising their 51 plate Tridents up for sale. Is a fleet upgrade imminent ?
According to a post on Facebook, Green Bus currently have demonstrator Streetdeck SK18 TKX on loan at the moment. It will be trialed on their school routes over the next couple of weeks.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on September 05, 2018, 07:36:25 PM
According to a post on Facebook, Green Bus currently have demonstrator Streetdeck SK18 TKX on loan at the moment. It will be trialed on their school routes over the next couple of weeks.
Acording to there Twitter page it was on the 882 yesterday morning.
King Edward VI Five Ways - via Bordesley Green, Small Heath, Sparkbrook, Moesley, Edgbaston Cricket Ground and Bournville.
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1037939783144820738
Does anyone know if TKX is still on loan to TGB?
105 was on 844 to KE Handsworth at the Swan at 08:15 earlier today. I don't usually see this service at this time. Looking at the timetable for some reason it was operating nearly 60 minutes late today.
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
No double decks on the 42/43 today
@Tony Do The Green Bus still have any Presidents in NX livery? I've just remembered that there's a school route that terminates at Owen Street, so it may have been that.
Quote from: StourValley98 on March 01, 2019, 08:38:05 PM
@Tony Do The Green Bus still have any Presidents in NX livery? I've just remembered that there's a school route that terminates at Owen Street, so it may have been that.
344 (4044) still has the NX livery.
347 (4047 and 397 (4097) also have it I think.
Are they using there tridents on the 38? Any ex nx presidents turned up anyone know?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 03, 2019, 10:37:45 PM
Are they using there tridents on the 38? Any ex nx presidents turned up anyone know?
117&118 on the break
Quote from: Solo1 on April 03, 2019, 11:08:55 PM
117&118 on the break
Or 110 I think. Has to be short length ones anyway
No Presidents shown up yet in service, although 395 was used for my break lounge today!
117 had an issue this morning and needed replacing with sister 118.
110 I believe is the booked bus for tomorrow and had been used a few days this week as the relief board
Did 395 do the 851 service later
No it went onto the 881 service
Ok thanks
Anyone know (out of interest) what's booked to be on the 38/PM 886 this week?
312 was on the 38 in place of the usual Trident ;D
For anyone interested, I believe NXWMs former 4023 is being used for spares for Green Bus' examples (I asked a driver today). A shame it has lead such a fate, being such an early built B7TL, but they can't all be saved and at least it's parts are living on.
The Green Bus are holding an open day at their depot on 31st August.. More information will be disclosed closer to the date; 1st July, I believe. So far, all they've said is that their National will be operational for rides throughout the day, as well as several other "invited vehicles"
Is the national the ex midland red one which they have
Quote from: Solo1 on May 26, 2019, 08:07:58 PM
Is the national the ex midland red one which they have
Yes HHA101L
The Bus and Coaches is advertising a Green Bus Running Day on Saturday 6th July http://busrunningdays.blogspot.com/ (scroll down to last entry)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 17, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
312 was on the 38 in place of the usual Trident ;D
And again today. Couldn't believe it when it turned out to be a president. Never thought I would be able to ride one of those again
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 29, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
And again today. Couldn't believe it when it turned out to be a president. Never thought I would be able to ride one of those again
They are very regular on Rail Replacements now. If not, you could do that you're advertised above or possibly at the open day.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 29, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
And again today. Couldn't believe it when it turned out to be a president. Never thought I would be able to ride one of those again
117 was unavailable in the morning and 312 was best parked in the garage and unallocated, so I took that after consulting with engineers
Quote from: jc on May 30, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
117 was unavailable in the morning and 312 was best parked in the garage and unallocated, so I took that after consulting with engineers
Very good driving too leave 5 minutes late and arrive early
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 30, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
Very good driving too leave 5 minutes late and arrive early
That to me reads that the driver was breaking speed limits
Quote from: Kevin on May 30, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
That to me reads that the driver was breaking speed limits
No there was just 3 passengers the entire journey. 312 didn't seem to struggle on route either so unsure why they only try and use the smaller tridents
Quote from: Kevin on May 30, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
That to me reads that the driver was breaking speed limits
Not at all.
On the A7/A8 in Solihull, you can leave 20 minutes late and still arrive early, all whilst driving at 20MPH along the whole route.
Quote from: Kevin on May 30, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
That to me reads that the driver was breaking speed limits
As the regular driver and driver in question, theres no need to speed on the service, the later two trips 1341 and 1441 from Northfield and return are usually pretty dead, only 1-2 people usually.
The timetable is built in a way that you can easily loose time Northfield end, but gain back time at the Selly Oak side
Timing points between Selly Oak and Stirchley allow too much time, but between Woodlands Park Road and Northfield quite tight.
The shorter tridents are used mostly for the 'just incase' situation, Wednesdays for example is bin lorry day and if you meet something in the wrong place, you could do with something shorter to help manoeuvre, I have taken 113 round, no issues
The Green Bus have turned out 365 in open top configuration for their last day on the 38!
Who's running the 38 afterwards then?
Quote from: mesub on June 15, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
Who's running the 38 afterwards then?
I believe its Kev's Car's & Coaches If I've got the name right :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 15, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
I believe its Kev's Car's & Coaches If I've got the name right :)
With what bus? They have new e200 MMCs but I can't think of what other buses they have.
Quote from: mesub on June 15, 2019, 08:58:45 PM
With what bus? They have new e200 MMCs but I can't think of what other buses they have.
Another Enviro 200 on the way. Quote from the Kev's thread.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 30, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
What will they be using on 38 solo from 355 or buying another new one
Quote from: igogeneral on June 01, 2019, 11:00:58 PM
Euro 6 E200 on the way, also one for the 42
Gold liveried Plaxton bodied Trident LR52 KWZ was on one of the KE Five Ways school runs this pm.
Quote from: tjwpsv on June 17, 2019, 11:08:47 PM
Gold liveried Plaxton bodied Trident LR52 KWZ was on one of the KE Five Ways school runs this pm.
I saw this in Cape Hill yesterday, i wondered who owned it now. This answers my question.
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2019, 11:20:02 AM
I saw this in Cape Hill yesterday, i wondered who owned it now. This answers my question.
Also available in white with LR52KXE
I have today seen V97MOA around 2PM heading from MALVERN TO WORCESTER (didn't see any passengers).
I MAY have seen this once before (?) -- can any of you tell me if Green Bus have a contract or frequent private hire in the area please ?
Frequent Private Hires, 365 was down there a few weeks ago without its roof!
Quote from: jc on June 19, 2019, 07:23:46 PM
Frequent Private Hires, 365 was down there a few weeks ago without its roof!
Thanks jc.
Had an absoloutely fantastic day at the Green Bus running day today! Their fleet of vehicles are impressive and I hope to travel on one again soon.
Hi all
I'm happy to say The Green Bus will be attending this year's Buses Festival at the British Motor Museum, Gaydon on Sunday 18th August and will be running two routes for those wishing to attend; please see below for the initial itinerary.
The vehicles we intend to use are 365 / R365 LGH (open-top Volvo Olympian) and 395 / V95 MOA (Volvo B7TL). The vehicles will swap routes for the return journey, allowing everyone a ride on both vehicles.
The routes are as follows:
ROUTE 1
0700 - The Green Bus Depot, Hockley
0720 - Birmingham City Centre, Station St (Stop NS13)
0735 - Selly Oak, Bristol Rd
0745 - Northfield, Bristol Rd S
0755 - West Heath, Man on the Moon
0810 - Alvechurch
0825 - Redditch
0835 - Studley
0930 - Buses Festival, Gaydon
ROUTE 2
0700 - Wolverhampton, Pipers Row
0725 - Walsall, Hatherton Rd
0745 - Perry Barr, One Stop
0805 - Birmingham City Centre, Station St (Stop NS13)
0820 - Kings Heath, High St
0840 - Wythall
0930 - Buses Festival, Gaydon
** Both routes will depart Gaydon at approx 1600 **
Pickup points are flexible depending on demand. Please feel free to suggest a location - we may move stops round once we have an idea of where people wish to board. The final itinerary will be posted shortly before the day, once pickups are confirmed.
The fare for return travel is only £5, please note entry to the event is not included. Payment can either be made over the phone to The Green Bus (please call 0121 401 1666) or you can pay cash on the day.
To book your place please message either myself or jc, stating your route and pickup point; alternatively you can book over the phone. Please make sure you stick to this as if no one has requested a stop we will not go there!
Hope to see some of you on the 18th.
The fleetlist on the website has been replaced with an up-to-date version
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/enthusiast/fleet/
The final itinerary for Sunday's trip to Buses Festival is confirmed as follows:
Route 1
0715 Hockley Depot
0735 Birmingham, Station St, Stop NS13
0805 West Heath Island
0830 Studley
0930 Buses Festival
Route 2
0720 Wolverhampton, Pipers Row
0750 West Bromwich, Town Hall
0820 Birmingham, Station St, Stop NS13
0835 Kings Heath, Wetherspoons
0930 Buses Festival
If anyone still needs to book their place please phone in or let me know ASAP. Tickets are £5 return to be paid on boarding the bus.
365 was on the Nicklin contract earlier this afternoon in Birmingham City Centre.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 15, 2019, 07:38:25 PM
365 was on the Nicklin contract earlier this afternoon in Birmingham City Centre.
Warming the old girl up ready for Sunday 8)
Is the open day still going ahead this saturday
@V102MOA @jc as everything seems to have gone quite about it on the Facebook page
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 28, 2019, 07:19:50 AM
Is the open day still going ahead this saturday @V102MOA @jc as everything seems to have gone quite about it on the Facebook page
It has been postponed to the autumn
Quote from: V102MOA on August 28, 2019, 08:35:53 PM
It has been postponed to the autumn
any reason it's been postponed
103 made its final journey on Monday, it has now started a second life as a classroom at a primary school in Erdington.
102 is also off-fleet.
V15TGB on service 885 in Bromsgrove around 16.30.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on September 09, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
V15TGB on service 885 in Bromsgrove around 16.30.
Myself driving it
Tridents 116 and 119 were collected by PVS this week. The only withdrawn vehicles still owned are now 102, 106 and 121 (and 4023, or what's left of it!)
365 is regaining its roof for use in service.
We will also be running a trip to Showbus this year.
SHOWBUS 2019
It's that time of year again!
The Green Bus will be attending Showbus at the Hertfordshire Showground on Sunday 29 September with Volvo B7TL 395 V95MOA.
We'll be offering pickups at our depot in Hockley at 07:00, and Station St, Birmingham at 07:20. We will then head straight onto the motorway and aim to arrive by 10:00, with a short break at a service station.
The return fare for travel will be just £10. Please contact myself or V102MOA (on here) to book your place.
I have been advised anyone arriving on an exhibit gets a reduced entry fee of £10 (everyone else pays £12) and under-16s arriving on an exhibit get free entry.
As always please drop either of us a message if there are any questions.
7 x Volvo B7TLs / Wright Gemini's have been acquired (ex Lothian)
One of the TGB School branded Presidents was in Stourbridge on Norton road around 2PM this afternoon
Quote from: metrocity on November 05, 2019, 08:23:21 PM
7 x Volvo B7TLs / Wright Gemini's have been acquired (ex Lothian)
Five
How come Green Bus hasn't operated any normal routes lately? I remember they used to operate on the 50 and the 22 (Birmingham to Merry Hill. I can see why that was withdrawn for more than one reason.) Is it due to the age of the fleet amid the Clean Air Zone or other factors?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 05, 2019, 09:41:19 PM
How come Green Bus hasn't operated any normal routes lately? I remember they used to operate on the 50 and the 22 (Birmingham to Merry Hill. I can see why that was withdrawn for more than one reason.) Is it due to the age of the fleet amid the Clean Air Zone or other factors?
Probably didn't work out for them, those routes went years ago. Can't have been very profitable otherwise they'd still be around today, presumably the school services/private hires are more profitable.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2019, 09:44:54 PM
Probably didn't work out for them, those routes went years ago. Can't have been very profitable otherwise they'd still be around today, presumably the school services/private hires are more profitable.
There were reliability issues for certain school routes - the Wolverhampton Girls' High School routes had huge reliability issues on afternoon journeys where buses were late back to cover having been on either stage work or private hires. The school were none-too-impressed, and couple this with pupils having Green Bus-only season tickets with the lengthy routes (some meandering via Wolverhampton, Wednesfield and Bloxwich to the other side of Walsall), pupils weren't getting back home until well after 5.30pm in some cases having either waited for the Green Bus to arrive or having to make their own way home via other buses at their own extra cost.
There's always a fine balance between maintaining service levels on school services and not having buses standing idle during the daytime.
Remember them on the 50, often used non compliant buses, belived Centro weren't to impressed with them running step entrance buses due to having unreliable trident's.
It is a shame that they stopped local bus services, enjoyed their buses on the 22, 64 and 558. They also began running commercial routes at the end of school services, for example some 6s back from Solihull to Birmingham and a 192 from Kidderminster back to Birmingham.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on November 07, 2019, 09:39:45 PM
They also began running commercial routes at the end of school services, for example some 6s back from Solihull to Birmingham and a 192 from Kidderminster back to Birmingham.
There used to be a timetabled journey for an 11A operated by Green Bus on the stops at Fox and Goose back in 2011. The timetables stated only one journey ran starting at Stechford and terminating at Winson Green. Operated at about 4PM so likewise would have come off a school service.
Two more Geminis have joined as of last night: SN56 AEL / SN56 AET
Quote from: CL on November 16, 2019, 08:25:07 AM
Two more Geminis have joined as of last night: SN56 AEL / SN56 AET
Santa came in the night and dropped off an early Christmas present!
SN55 BNU is now in service, SN56 AEL/AET should enter service towards the end of next week
SN55 BNK/BNX/BNY and SN56 AFJ are at Read's in Blackburn to be repainted and fitted with digital display equipment; I think BNX is likely to be the first one back here in green
Also, The Green Bus are in action doing rail replacement between Worcester and Kidderminster today, I will be driving a diagram this afternoon/evening (no Geminis out before anyone asks)
All being well, Gemini SN56 AEL may make an appearance on rail replacement between Worcester and Kidderminster tomorrow
I will be driving SN55 BPE (Lothian 747) from Edinburgh to Birmingham on Friday. This one brings the total number of Geminis acquired to eight.
SN55 BNX has also arrived back from Blackburn in green.
Quote from: V102MOA on December 24, 2019, 05:09:27 PM
I will be driving SN55 BPE (Lothian 747) from Edinburgh to Birmingham on Friday. This one brings the total number of Geminis acquired to eight.
SN55 BNX has also arrived back from Blackburn in green.
I take it as the quantity is still growing, they're proving good acquisitions
Quote from: Winston on December 24, 2019, 05:23:31 PM
I take it as the quantity is still growing, they're proving good acquisitions
Yes, they are a pleasure to drive compared to some of our older vehicles, and save a couple of minor electrical issues, the two in service so far have been performing well. They will be excellent vehicles for private hire once belted and opened up.
The passengers on my school route also seem to like the new bus, especially the heating which warms up very quickly.
I have now updated The Green Bus fleetlist to be correct as of now
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
115 has been withdrawn from service
SN55 BNK has been sold to Dews Coaches, Somersham
SN55 BPE is out for KEFW
I am sure everyone joins me in congratulating Aston Villa on reaching Wembley and to thank Green Bus for thier support with thier Football Special buses I know they were much appreciated in the town I live almost as much as Aston Villa themselves.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 29, 2020, 09:44:13 AM
I am sure everyone joins me in congratulating Aston Villa on reaching Wembley and to thank Green Bus for thier support with thier Football Special buses I know they were much appreciated in the town I live almost as much as Aston Villa themselves.
We have not run any football services in at least 6 years
Quote from: V102MOA on January 29, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
We have not run any football services in at least 6 years
I did use the phrase "they were" in the past tense
The new Geminis have now been assigned the following fleetnumbers
401 - SN55 BNU
402 - SN55 BNX
403 - SN55 BNY
404 - SN55 BPE
405 - SN56 AAY
406 - SN56 AEA
407 - SN56 AEL
408 - SN56 AET
409 - SN56 AEU
410 - SN56 AEV
411 - SN56 AEW
412 - SN56 AEX
413 - SN56 AEY
414 - SN56 AEZ
415 - SN56 AFA
416 - SN56 AFE
417 - SN56 AFJ
The vehicles in italics are yet to arrive
Quote from: V102MOA on January 31, 2020, 09:24:10 PM
The new Geminis have now been assigned the following fleetnumbers
401 - SN55 BNU
402 - SN55 BNX
403 - SN55 BNY
404 - SN55 BPE
405 - SN56 AAY
406 - SN56 AEA
407 - SN56 AEL
408 - SN56 AET
409 - SN56 AEU
410 - SN56 AEV
411 - SN56 AEW
412 - SN56 AEX
413 - SN56 AEY
414 - SN56 AEZ
415 - SN56 AFA
416 - SN56 AFE
417 - SN56 AFJ
The vehicles in italics are yet to arrive
17 in total, is that a complete fleet replacement? That must have hurt Ian's wallet.
Quote from: BN on January 31, 2020, 09:44:52 PM
17 in total, is that a complete fleet replacement? That must have hurt Ian's wallet.
The ex NX B7s are staying, and a handful of Tridents
The overall fleet size will be increasing this year
Quote from: V102MOA on January 31, 2020, 09:52:47 PM
The ex NX B7s are staying, and a handful of Tridents
The overall fleet size will be increasing this year
Venturing onto any non-school work?
Quote from: V102MOA on January 31, 2020, 09:52:47 PM
The ex NX B7s are staying, and a handful of Tridents
The overall fleet size will be increasing this year
Have TGB gained some extra work then?
Quote from: Winston on February 01, 2020, 12:32:58 AM
Have TGB gained some extra work then?
New school routes
Quote from: V102MOA on February 01, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
New school routes
Fair play, are the ex Lothian Volvo/Gemini's proving a good purchase?
Quote from: Winston on February 01, 2020, 12:49:54 AM
Fair play, are the ex Lothian Volvo/Gemini's proving a good purchase?
Yes definitely, barring a couple of electrical hiccups they are doing really well, we now have 5 in daily service. They are streets ahead of the existing fleet
Quote from: V102MOA on February 01, 2020, 10:50:50 AM
Yes definitely, barring a couple of electrical hiccups they are doing really well, we now have 5 in daily service. They are streets ahead of the existing fleet
You can't normally go wrong with ex Lothian. Plus the Wright Gemini bodywork was higher quality back then and still looks modern.
Quote from: V102MOA on January 31, 2020, 09:52:47 PM
The ex NX B7s are staying, and a handful of Tridents
The overall fleet size will be increasing this year
Are you able to say which Tridents are staying
@V102MOA ? I'm particularly after 126/127 which were the most recent Trident purchases so I'd assume they will stay ???
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 01, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Are you able to say which Tridents are staying @V102MOA ? I'm particularly after 126/127 which were the most recent Trident purchases so I'd assume they will stay ???
The PSVAR compliant ones. So 111/113, 117/118/120 and 126/127
Quote from: V102MOA on February 01, 2020, 09:03:29 PM
The PSVAR compliant ones. So 111/113, 117/118/120 and 126/127
Thank You, much appreciated :)
F/No 404 in Bromsgrove around an hour ago on the 885.
Both the 884 and 885 are booked as Gemini routes, 885 is usually 402, SN55BNX - the green one
Quote from: jc on February 06, 2020, 08:43:33 PM
Both the 884 and 885 are booked as Gemini routes, 885 is usually 402, SN55BNX - the green one
Cheers , will look out for the green one.
TGB will be doing rail replacement tomorrow between Bromsgrove and Longbridge via Barnt Green
Quote from: V102MOA on February 01, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
New school routes
New school services from September 2020 are now on their website.
Looks like they will be expanding from their current operating area, into Warwickshire.
Additionally new 831 school service from Sutton through East Birmingham then to Solihull, Shirley and Hall Green.
I see that the freehold of the depot site is up for auction on 14th March.
https://www.biddleandwebb.com/lotdetailzoom_property.cfm?auctionhallid=3&saleid=614&itemuuid=0F6A68A0-E7E7-AB7E-616749C7F76A8AAE&item_imageid=408689&action=catalogue&clientuuid=&campaignid=0&vendorcampaignid=0
I wonder if Green Bus have any (contingency) plans to relocate?
Quote from: tjwpsv on February 29, 2020, 06:39:10 PM
I see that the freehold of the depot site is up for auction on 14th March.
https://www.biddleandwebb.com/lotdetailzoom_property.cfm?auctionhallid=3&saleid=614&itemuuid=0F6A68A0-E7E7-AB7E-616749C7F76A8AAE&item_imageid=408689&action=catalogue&clientuuid=&campaignid=0&vendorcampaignid=0
I wonder if Green Bus have any (contingency) plans to relocate?
It looks like Green Bus have a lease in place until 2022 so will have security of occupation until at least then
In Hayley Green/Hasbury this morning, there was a Green Bus parked up with the display saying: KW4 Key Workers Service.
Is this a normal running thing, or something that has been brought in during the last couple of weeks?
Quote from: ellspurs on March 25, 2020, 06:44:58 PM
In Hayley Green/Hasbury this morning, there was a Green Bus parked up with the display saying: KW4 Key Workers Service.
Is this a normal running thing, or something that has been brought in during the last couple of weeks?
New operation, as TGB only do schools/rail replacement/private hire.
I have updated the Green Bus fleetlist on the main site
Could
@V102MOA check for any mistakes please?
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
Quote from: Tony on March 28, 2020, 01:31:16 PM
I have updated the Green Bus fleetlist on the main site
Could @V102MOA check for any mistakes please?
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
101 - is withdrawn but still owned
102 - scrapped, gone
115 - sold to a preservationist, gone
4023, or what is left of it, is also still owned but not mentioned. It never turned a wheel in service though
Everything else is correct, the Gemini registrations are all on the right fleetnumbers. 409-415 are still to arrive, they are expected in June/July when Lothian release them but may be delayed given recent events
The Geminis are all being upseated to 48/31, but none of the ones that have been done have actually been able to take their VTP5 examinations yet (DVSA not doing tests for obvious reasons) so all are still 44/30
106 has also left guys, sorry Matt missed this one, even though we watched it slowly get dragged away! Short memory, he's only young!
Quote from: jc on March 28, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
106 has also left guys, sorry Matt missed this one, even though we watched it slowly get dragged away! Short memory, he's only young!
Thanks
All corrected
TGB doing rail replacement between Wolverhampton and Stafford this weekend. 110 and 351 currently at Stafford and 404 and at least one other also in use.
In use today were;
110, 113, 117, 120 (Shuttle bus for driver to Birmingham), 126, 127, 301 (Standby New Street PM), 304 (Standby New Street AM), 312 (Standby Stafford), 351, 395, 402 and 404 (Shuttle bus for driver to Stafford)
Tony Hunter you missed 126/127 LR52KWZ/KXE on your fleet list
395 (ex NX 4095) is on the 843C school service today. At Ward End at 15:00.
The 228 at merry hill today was being operated by the green bus company
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 23, 2020, 05:18:11 PM
The 228 at merry hill today was being operated by the green bus company
Saw it on Facebook. I'm quite surprised actually. If Diamond can't make it work, then I'm doubtful whether The Green Bus could. Something interesting going on here...
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 23, 2020, 05:18:11 PM
The 228 at merry hill today was being operated by the green bus company
Yet its been tracking as 20530 according to diamonds site...
What vehicle were they using?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 23, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
What vehicle were they using?
One of the Lothian Geminis
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 23, 2020, 05:18:11 PM
The 228 at merry hill today was being operated by the green bus company
It was route learning, not in service.
The destination blind became stuck
Quote from: V102MOA on July 23, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
It was route learning, not in service.
The destination blind became stuck
So was it route learning for Green Bus drivers?
Quote from: Pat on July 23, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
So was it route learning for Green Bus drivers?
Yes
Great to see The green Bus back operating local bus routes.
Diamond have announced they will continue to operate the 228:
https://www.diamondbuses.com/west-midlands/bus-services/228/
QuoteWe have now agreed with the local authorities concerned to extend the withdrawal date, however given that the service cannot be maintained in its current loss making position, unless a suitable funding agreement can be found the service will be cancelled in the coming weeks.
Presumably The Green Bus are ready to step in and take over this service soon then.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on July 23, 2020, 06:05:27 PM
Great to see The green Bus back operating local bus routes.
It'll be a fair bit of dead mileage from Hockley to Merry Hill/Kinver.
Quote from: Pat on July 23, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
It'll be a fair bit of dead mileage from Hockley to Merry Hill/Kinver.
They run services dead to and from Wolverhampton and Walsall, so nothing major. Even more so in september with Stratford school services.
Kinver is within the Network NBus / Daytripper area but Network WM website says Green Bus doesn't accept them. If the 228 service is funded or part-funded by West MIdlands Combined Authority rather than just Staffordshire County Council, will Green Bus be mandated to accept the tickets?
Quote from: Smethwickian on July 24, 2020, 10:11:49 AM
Kinver is within the Network NBus / Daytripper area but Network WM website says Green Bus doesn't accept them. If the 228 service is funded or part-funded by West MIdlands Combined Authority rather than just Staffordshire County Council, will Green Bus be mandated to accept the tickets?
Yes. Select has to accept them during their time on the 50.
Service 242 will start from Monday and will run for 5 weeks during the summer holidays.
It will run between Kinver, Stourbridge and Merry Hill and will follow most of the 228 route, with a couple of changes. The route map and timetable will soon be up on our social media and I'll then post a link here.
We will be running a free service for the first two days (Monday 27 and Tuesday 28)
Quote from: V102MOA on July 24, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
Service 242 will start from Monday and will run for 5 weeks during the summer holidays.
It will run between Kinver, Stourbridge and Merry Hill and will follow most of the 228 route, with a couple of changes. The route map and timetable will soon be up on our social media and I'll then post a link here.
We will be running a free service for the first two days (Monday 27 and Tuesday 28)
242 eh? Almost going back to when WB/MH ran the Kinvers!
Is this service just for 5 weeks or initially for 5 weeks ?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on July 24, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
Is this service just for 5 weeks or initially for 5 weeks ?
Just for 5 weeks
Timetable and map below
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/113999565_3283394605040224_4034177220068374506_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=KaQ34eHzU6EAX8XEUHi&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&tp=14&oh=c68145ed1a8c90d3a24e58fa3bc548d4&oe=5F42C0A5)
Will the Dudley & Sandwell nbus (the £3.20 one) be issued/accepted?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 26, 2020, 01:36:17 PM
Will the Dudley & Sandwell nbus (the £3.20 one) be issued/accepted?
I presume it'll be accepted as far as the Vicarage Rd/Bridgnorth Rd junction, as that's where the boundary is according to the map on the WM Network site.
Can't see it picking up many passengers missing out Stourbridge ring road stop Wollaston and amblecote road areas
Surely, isn't this another nail in the 228s coffin?
Odd, it's competing with an under used section of route, a high frequency platinum service and a tender.
Quote from: V102MOA on July 26, 2020, 10:12:30 AM
Timetable and map below
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/113999565_3283394605040224_4034177220068374506_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=KaQ34eHzU6EAX8XEUHi&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&tp=14&oh=c68145ed1a8c90d3a24e58fa3bc548d4&oe=5F42C0A5)
Is this new 242 service running alongside Diamond's 228? There's no further information on Diamond's website as to whether they've now withdrawn this fully.
Quote from: Stu on July 27, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Is this new 242 service running alongside Diamond's 228? There's no further information on Diamond's website as to whether they've now withdrawn this fully.
@Stu from what I have seen it's only a temporary service for 5/6 weeks.
West Midlands fire service with the 242 bus to kinver
Hope all the veg are accounted for
Quote from: karl724223 on July 28, 2020, 11:38:50 AM
West Midlands fire service with the 242 bus to kinver
Hope all the veg are accounted for
395 (ex 4095) was the vehicle involved, I've checked and everyone is fine.
A trident is now on the 242
117 on the 242 today but not displaying a destination, instead displaying details about hiting the vehicle?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2020, 06:49:33 PM
117 on the 242 today but not displaying a destination, instead displaying details about hiting the vehicle?
Yeah, it replaced 395.
New service 582 - Saturday Shopper bus that will run every Saturday in August.
Travel will be free for the first Saturday (tomorrow, August 1)
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116719674_3299079653471719_4699145591102425203_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0qpvi3YqmQwAX-lsbhK&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=4e93e5556008c23dcb9407ddf251cd68&oe=5F4A6BDE)
Quote from: V102MOA on July 31, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
New service 582 - Saturday Shopper bus that will run every Saturday in August.
Travel will be free for the first Saturday (tomorrow, August 1)
Why are TGB running these services and only in August?
Will they run full time if there is demand for them? Otherwise why start a brand new service if your already going to scrap it in a few weeks?
And also is 4095 likely to be repaired, or will that now be withdrawn?
Quote from: 2206 on July 31, 2020, 06:11:00 PM
Why are TGB running these services and only in August?
Will they run full time if there is demand for them? Otherwise why start a brand new service if your already going to scrap it in a few weeks?
I think it was stated in another topic here about the 242 / 228 that TGB were looking to operate some services commercially during the school hoilidays. Otherwise as there would be no school services, TGB would have a lot of buses and drivers sat around doing nothing for the next six weeks. ::)
Plus I imagine a lot of their private hire work has dried up.
I'd also hazard a guess that they may be in receipt of bus operator grant money from the Government as well, so there may be little risk for them to operate a commercial service just for a few weeks. (That's just a guess by the way, I'm not stating that as a fact)
In a way I salute them for showing a bit of initiative and trying something different for a change, and you never know, if this new service enjoys some success, it could lead somewhere.
Quote from: Stu on July 31, 2020, 07:42:12 PM
I think it was stated in another topic here about the 242 / 228 that TGB were looking to operate some services commercially during the school hoilidays. Otherwise as there would be no school services, TGB would have a lot of buses and drivers sat around doing nothing for the next six weeks. ::)
Plus I imagine a lot of their private hire work has dried up.
I'd also hazard a guess that they may be in receipt of bus operator grant money from the Government as well, so there may be little risk for them to operate a commercial service just for a few weeks. (That's just a guess by the way, I'm not stating that as a fact)
In a way I salute them for showing a bit of initiative and trying something different for a change, and you never know, if this new service enjoys some success, it could lead somewhere.
@Stu Green Bus tried this in Halesowen with journeys on the 192 & its 22 and failed so interesting times ahead
Well 117 the other day hadn't got a ticket machine working, so no revenue was made on that day
Quote from: V102MOA on July 31, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
New service 582 - Saturday Shopper bus that will run every Saturday in August.
Travel will be free for the first Saturday (tomorrow, August 1)
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116719674_3299079653471719_4699145591102425203_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=0qpvi3YqmQwAX-lsbhK&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=4e93e5556008c23dcb9407ddf251cd68&oe=5F4A6BDE)
How does TGB expect to do well on this, and the 228/242, with barely any publicity? I can't find anything on their website or twitter page, with links to a proper timetable. How many potential customers are there who probably don't have a clue about the service? Without publicity, you have no passengers. Without passengers, you don't make money.
I'm curious to know why TGB have all of a sudden jumped back onto commercial services again? And why this route? Why the centring around Kinver?
It has hit the local(ish) news at least:
https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/18618678.green-bus-brings-double-decker-service-back-kinver/
Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2020, 12:00:33 AM
How does TGB expect to do well on this, and the 228/242, with barely any publicity? I can't find anything on their website or twitter page, with links to a proper timetable. How many potential customers are there who probably don't have a clue about the service? Without publicity, you have no passengers. Without passengers, you don't make money.
I'm curious to know why TGB have all of a sudden jumped back onto commercial services again? And why this route? Why the centring around Kinver?
I'm keen to know how said services are running, since there has been no registration or anything for them, to my knowledge atleast.
Quote from: Dom on August 01, 2020, 10:30:58 AM
I'm keen to know how said services are running, since there has been no registration or anything for them, to my knowledge atleast.
@Dom there is a registration for the 242:
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/558798/
Can't see one on there at present for this 582 though.
I don't think the 582 route has been particularly well thought out either. They've just picked two places and drawn up an unusual route between them.
Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
I don't think the 582 route has been particularly well thought out either. They've just picked two places and drawn up an unusual route between them.
The 582 looks like it is following the old Midland Red 582 http://midlandred.net/service/timetable/display.php?routeID=643
Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
I don't think the 582 route has been particularly well thought out either. They've just picked two places and drawn up an unusual route between them.
The 582 is serving the villages of Bobbington & Enville that were deprived of a regular bus service back in 2013 when the 584/5/6/7/8 were withdrawn! The residents of said villages are more than likely using services such as south Staffordshire connect (Which is a door to door service which needs to be booked by the passenger)to get their groceries etc. Thus I doubt this 582 would of been heavily used even if it was publicised as the locals will be use to their regular door to door service that they have been relying on for the best part of 7 years! On a side note I'm glad an old midland red service has been partially resurrected :-)
Quote from: BusMan Greg on August 01, 2020, 10:54:47 AM
The 582 is serving the villages of Bobbington & Enville that were deprived of a regular bus service back in 2013 when the 584/5/6/7/8 were withdrawn! The residents of said villages are more than likely using services such as south Staffordshire connect (Which is a door to door service which needs to be booked by the passenger)to get their groceries etc. Thus I doubt this 582 would of been heavily used even if it was publicised as the locals will be use to their regular door to door service that they have been relying on for the best part of 7 years! On a side note I'm glad an old midland red service has been partially resurrected :-)
I'm not sure how well used SSC is around there, but i'd expect it to be rather low as most people in those areas use their cars (other than those who don't drive, which i'd imagine the number would be pretty low).
The 582 timetable is rather ill thought out in my opinion. You can only go to Kidderminster & back from the looks of things. If you wanted to go to Wolves, or anywhere in that direction, you couldn't get a return journey. If I lived in Bobbington and wanted to go to Sainsbury's etc in Wolves and back for my shopping, I couldn't! I wouldn't want to go all the way to Kiddy just for my shopping. If TGB want to try and make a success of this, I really think they should have drawn up a better timetable. Even a return journey in each direction per day would be good!
Quote from: Pat on August 01, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
I'm not sure how well used SSC is around there, but i'd expect it to be rather low as most people in those areas use their cars (other than those who don't drive, which i'd imagine the number would be pretty low).
The 582 timetable is rather ill thought out in my opinion. You can only go to Kidderminster & back from the looks of things. If you wanted to go to Wolves, or anywhere in that direction, you couldn't get a return journey. If I lived in Bobbington and wanted to go to Sainsbury's etc in Wolves and back for my shopping, I couldn't! I wouldn't want to go all the way to Kiddy just for my shopping. If TGB want to try and make a success of this, I really think they should have drawn up a better timetable. Even a return journey in each direction per day would be good!
Route in Kidderminster also looks a bit strange from what I can see. Seems to go along the outskirts of the town centre, rather than running through the Bus Station and Exchange Street like Diamond and Arriva do.
Would it not make sense to serve the bus station as well as a "shoppers bus service". As there's a Tesco next to that for shoppers and other shops as well.
Interesting timings, I would have thought departing Wolverhampton at 9.00 or even 10.00 would be more appealing to potential users and then run the whole timetable 1 or 2 hours later. Although, the logic of an early morning shop and home for lunchtime may also have an appeal.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 31, 2020, 08:14:02 PM
Well 117 the other day hadn't got a ticket machine working, so no revenue was made on that day
Don't forget on Monday and Tuesday all journeys were Free!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 01, 2020, 07:21:10 PM
Don't forget on Monday and Tuesday all journeys were Free!
Wednesday was aswell once 117 took over
Appears Green Bus are upsetting people in Amblecote by using Kirkstone Way instead of Sandringham Way and just stopping to pick up /drop off passengers where they please. Local MP has said she will investigate.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
Appears Green Bus are upsetting people in Amblecote by using Kirkstone Way instead of Sandringham Way and just stopping to pick up /drop off passengers where they please. Local MP has said she will investigate.
The thing is if the route is registered as Hail and Ride on Kirkstone Way then the MP has no leg to stand on. Buses have served that stretch of route before (the 250/1 when they first launched)!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2020, 06:43:35 PM
Appears Green Bus are upsetting people in Amblecote by using Kirkstone Way instead of Sandringham Way and just stopping to pick up /drop off passengers where they please. Local MP has said she will investigate.
At least it is showing that the service is being used!
And man, is the complaint the fact that they're using Kirkstone Way or that they're not using Sandringham Way?
How busy is 242 compared to 228
242 to go on diversion possibly from monday...
https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/18646935.birmingham-street-will-one-way-works-take-place/
Quote from: Solo1 on August 09, 2020, 07:46:12 PM
How busy is 242 compared to 228
I would say not as busy, but I haven't seen may 228 journeys so I'd just be guessing.
Staffordshire CC website says the 242 will run from 27th September, but only Kinver to Stourbridge.
Should operate hourly frequency then
Just been reading the COVI 19 guidelines on the Green Bus site, adding measures to the DfE guidelines, including
'buses will operate like the quiet carriage on a train, without unnecessary talking'
School buses have always been like the quiet carriage of a train!!
It looked like one of the Presidents had broken down near Whitlocks end station on a school route today with a van in attendance.
Quote from: mikestone on September 04, 2020, 08:22:58 PM
Staffordshire CC website says the 242 will run from 27th September, but only Kinver to Stourbridge.
This is incorrect, though the number of journeys to Merry Hill is reduced to two per day.
Timetable attached
Quote from: V102MOA on September 05, 2020, 09:50:39 AM
This is incorrect, though the number of journeys to Merry Hill is reduced to two per day.
Sorry, I was mistaken, the timetable below will run until 27 September and then an hourly Kinver-Stourbridge service will run from then onwards
Quote from: V102MOA on September 05, 2020, 07:35:34 PM
Sorry, I was mistaken, the timetable below will run until 27 September and then an hourly Kinver-Stourbridge service will run from then onwards
Will it still be running via South Road and Stourbridge Junction or direct via Bridgenorth Road between Wollaston and Stourbridge
I didn't thing it was running currently? There is no registration showing on vosa search or traveline.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Will it still be running via South Road and Stourbridge Junction or direct via Bridgenorth Road between Wollaston and Stourbridge
I haven't seen the new timetable yet but I'm not aware of any route change -
@jc may know
Its still following the normal 242 route, just some terminate at Stourbridge rather than Merry Hill. School journey is kids only (742). It also now has an added Saturday timetable!
Saw a Gemini in Green Bus livery at Ward End on the 843 to Handsworth this morning. Possibly SN56AFJ.
And another Gemini in Lothian livery at Saltley on the 844 to Handsworth a short while later.
Both routes booked to operate as 78 seater Gemini's, 417 is the regular 843 bus
a TDC bus was on the 886 in Sedgley earlier today too
LX03 NGZ in full TDC livery but Green Bus legals on 502 (pm) today.
We operate 4 former De Courcey Tridents,
128 - LV52HHS
129 - LX03BYG
130 - LX03NGZ
131 - LX03OPU
129 - This is the regular 842 bus.
131 - This is the regular 504 bus.
The other pair currently float around services.
Quote from: jc on September 17, 2020, 08:07:03 PM
We operate 4 former De Courcey Tridents,
128 - LV52HHS
129 - LX03BYG
130 - LX03NGZ
131 - LX03OPU
129 - This is the regular 842 bus.
131 - This is the regular 504 bus.
The other pair currently float around services.
Were most of the fleet Pre-owned
Quote from: V102MOA on March 28, 2020, 04:41:26 PM
409-415 are still to arrive, they are expected in June/July when Lothian release them but may be delayed given recent events
The vehicles listed as to become 409-415 are currently with Stagecoach Yorkshire for Supertram rail replacement. According to
Buses they have been sold by Lothian to Moffat & Williamson, where they are expected after they finish in Sheffield. Can we take it that they are no longer due here, or is that report incorrect?
Quote from: tjwpsv on September 29, 2020, 06:01:09 PM
The vehicles listed as to become 409-415 are currently with Stagecoach Yorkshire for Supertram rail replacement. According to Buses they have been sold by Lothian to Moffat & Williamson, where they are expected after they finish in Sheffield. Can we take it that they are no longer due here, or is that report incorrect?
I no longer work full time at TGB as of a couple of months ago, and am currently away from the Midlands so am not up to speed on fleet updates, but I'll try and find out and get back to you
Quote from: tjwpsv on September 29, 2020, 06:01:09 PM
The vehicles listed as to become 409-415 are currently with Stagecoach Yorkshire for Supertram rail replacement. According to Buses they have been sold by Lothian to Moffat & Williamson, where they are expected after they finish in Sheffield. Can we take it that they are no longer due here, or is that report incorrect?
Just to follow up on this, I can confirm "409-415" have indeed been sold to Moffat & Williamson and will not be joining TGB
Quote from: V102MOA on October 09, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
Just to follow up on this, I can confirm "409-415" have indeed been sold to Moffat & Williamson and will not be joining TGB
Thanks for confirming,
@V102MOA.
noted 405 and 126 yesterday morning in Lichfield on the amazon services either A5 or A51
TGB now track on bustimes.org
Quote from: Pat on November 09, 2020, 07:17:33 AM
TGB now track on bustimes.org
Thanks, Pat. I'm far from convinced about the accuracy of the data here, though.
Quote from: tjwpsv on November 16, 2020, 12:42:23 PM
Thanks, Pat. I'm far from convinced about the accuracy of the data here, though.
Yes, it's not always 100% accurate, in terms of vehicle ID, as ticket machines can be swapped between vehicles without being reprogrammed etc.
Quote from: Pat on November 16, 2020, 12:50:42 PM
Yes, it's not always 100% accurate, in terms of vehicle ID, as ticket machines can be swapped between vehicles without being reprogrammed etc.
I understand that, Pat, but that wouldn't seem to explain it. Currently, there are 6 vehicles as showing on the 845; earlier today, a similar number were listed as being on the 242.
Within the last 5 minutes, 18 vehicles were 'tracking' on the 242...most off them well off-route!
Quote from: Pat on November 16, 2020, 12:50:42 PM
Yes, it's not always 100% accurate, in terms of vehicle ID, as ticket machines can be swapped between vehicles without being reprogrammed etc.
I believe the data comes from the company's internal tracking system rather than any ticket machines
Quote from: V102MOA on November 18, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
I believe the data comes from the company's internal tracking system rather than any ticket machines
Bustimes.org uses the data from the ticket machine GPS. AFAIK, it only gets data from Ticketer and ERG machines.
Quote from: Pat on November 18, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
Bustimes.org uses the data from the ticket machine GPS. AFAIK, it only gets data from Ticketer and ERG machines.
TGB have not been using ticket machines since pre-pandemic. Some vehicles may still be carrying them round but they are old Wayfarers which do not have that functionality.
There is also data appearing on bustimes.org that could only have come from the internal tracking/scheduling system (GreenEye). IIRC shortly before I left I was asked to help set it up but didn't get time to take a proper look
Quote from: Pat on November 18, 2020, 04:36:08 PM
Bustimes.org uses the data from the ticket machine GPS. AFAIK, it only gets data from Ticketer and ERG machines.
It gets it from a variety of sources, hence why some NXWM routes and vehicles appear which do not have Ticketer or ERG machines
Quote from: V102MOA on November 18, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
I believe the data comes from the company's internal tracking system rather than any ticket machines
Quote from: Tony on November 18, 2020, 08:23:17 PM
It gets it from a variety of sources, hence why some NXWM routes and vehicles appear which do not have Ticketer or ERG machines
BusTimes uses a variety of third-party open data source feeds for its information.
With regards to vehicle location tracking in the West Midlands, this is provided by the Transport For West Midlands API.
If operators make this data available to TfWM, then it can be presented via their API.
https://bustimes.org/data
Quote from: Stu on November 18, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
BusTimes uses a variety of third-party open data source feeds for its information.
With regards to vehicle location tracking in the West Midlands, this is provided by the Transport For West Midlands API.
If operators make this data available to TfWM, then it can be presented via their API.
https://bustimes.org/data
If it's using the TfWM API, does that explain why NX services that do track, stop tracking once they leave the West Midlands area, such as the X51?
Quote from: Tony on November 18, 2020, 08:23:17 PM
It gets it from a variety of sources, hence why some NXWM routes and vehicles appear which do not have Ticketer or ERG machines
so why don't nxwm buses all have ticketer or erg machines then & only some thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on November 19, 2020, 08:25:02 AM
so why don't nxwm buses all have ticketer or erg machines then & only some thanks
Because none of them do
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 08:03:10 AM
If it's using the TfWM API, does that explain why NX services that do track, stop tracking once they leave the West Midlands area, such as the X51?
No, because the WN10/A/B still track when in Staffordshire, as does the 5.
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 08:03:10 AM
If it's using the TfWM API, does that explain why NX services that do track, stop tracking once they leave the West Midlands area, such as the X51?
They don't stop tracking when they leave the area
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2020, 09:15:38 AM
They don't stop tracking when they leave the area
They do, the X51s stop just north of Bloxwich at the Staffordshire border.
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
They do, the X51s stop just north of Bloxwich at the Staffordshire border.
That's only the X51 then, as WN's services continue to track over the Staffordshire border.
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
They do, the X51s stop just north of Bloxwich at the Staffordshire border.
6726 is currently tracking in Cannock on the X51
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
They do, the X51s stop just north of Bloxwich at the Staffordshire border.
@DJ Are you referring to the bus stops themselves not having live times?
Such as here in Great Wyrley.
https://bustimes.org/stops/3800C610301
Meanwhile further along the route they show as live times.
https://bustimes.org/stops/43000626202
Vehicles still show their location beyond Bloxwich, as
@Tony has said.
On further inspection - they do appear to not track beyond Great Wyrley
6726 - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/179008#journeys/86793518
6739 -
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/178886#journeys/86794516
Quote from: DJ on November 19, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
They do, the X51s stop just north of Bloxwich at the Staffordshire border.
The 10/10A/937 all stop tracking at the top of Brownhills high street too.
X3s stop at the A5 island
Interesting post on
@Stu's site I noticed from what looks like a unhappy customer.
The part I was wondering about is this:
"Now, firstly IM is subject to DfT guidelines, not DfE, but as a former teacher, he is maybe a bit tunnel vision. Even if he was following DfE guidance though, he would have to allow exempt students the same rights as non-exempt ones. It's the law. All the government's coronavirus guidance, from whichever department it originates, insists that operators of public services must consider their compliance with existing equalities legislation when devising their coronavirus response measures. IM appears totally ignorant of this fact, despite having been challenged by several individual parents on the matter. He simply refuses to budge and is refusing access to any student (whether validly exempt or not) without a mask. He has even set up a dedicated line for children to "grass" on other children using the service if they are not wearing a mask throughout the journey to school! This totally goes against the DfT's "Coronavirus guidance for transport operators" which aims to encourage passenger compliance rather than to enforce it, and leaves room for valid exemptions. Imagine a shop or a cafe trying to open up without disabled access – this would exclude a whole set of people with a protected characteristic and therefore discriminate against them. This is exactly the same."
I would have thought they would allow access to the service to children with valid exemptions/disabled child with valid exemption. Particularly if they let the operator know on boarding the service.
Is there truth in what has been said I wander?
https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/community/discussion/problems-with-the-green-bus/
Disney stores do not allow for exemptions for mask wearing thing is with masks since some of the "exemptions" are not listed as formal disabilities the DDA wouldn't apply.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 20, 2020, 09:45:44 PM
Disney stores do not allow for exemptions for mask wearing thing is with masks since some of the "exemptions" are not listed as formal disabilities the DDA wouldn't apply.
Would it not still apply for the ones that are listed as formal disabilities? Or is that not how it works?
I would think they'd at the least be going against Government guidelines.
And i'd suppose Disney Store is a little different as well as I can't understand any reason why anyone would need to go there anyway, whereas the child probably needs to get to school.
The key there is "guidelines". The DDA legislation goes into fine detail regarding disability rights even down to the maximum degree angle for ramps etc however face coverings of any description are not mentioned. I guess it's one of those legal grey areas that's awaiting a landmark case..
The mixed messages over face coverings really needs sorting out though, as if you have certain respiratory problems then you are more susceptible to coronavirus & more likely to become seriously ill. However if you have that same respiratory illness then you may be exempt from wearing the one thing that may afford you "some" level of protection. It has been scientifically proven that wearing a face covering does NOT restrict your oxygen intake or lower the oxygen levels in your blood.
Anyway if you dont like wearing a mask you'd absolutely loathe wearing a respirator
Quote from: Steveminor on November 20, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
It has been scientifically proven that wearing a face covering does NOT restrict your oxygen intake or lower the oxygen levels in your blood.
Yeah I was making the assumption that its a genuine customer and the child is genuinely exempt for some physical/mental reason basically/causes them severe problem.
Rather than someone who believes that it lowers, oxygen in the blood, or someone who is annoyed/upset at having to wear one etc.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 20, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
The key there is "guidelines". The DDA legislation goes into fine detail regarding disability rights even down to the maximum degree angle for ramps etc however face coverings of any description are not mentioned. I guess it's one of those legal grey areas that's awaiting a landmark case..
The mixed messages over face coverings really needs sorting out though, as if you have certain respiratory problems then you are more susceptible to coronavirus & more likely to become seriously ill. However if you have that same respiratory illness then you may be exempt from wearing the one thing that may afford you "some" level of protection. It has been scientifically proven that wearing a face covering does NOT restrict your oxygen intake or lower the oxygen levels in your blood.
Anyway if you dont like wearing a mask you'd absolutely loathe wearing a respirator
Well said sir on the mask wearing situation
Trident in Travel Decourcey livery LX03BYG at Ward End on the 843 this afternoon.
In place of the the usual Gemini bus. SN55BNY I think normally, which also did the AM journey this morning.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Green Bus now that the catchment admissions system has been introduced for King Edwards schools, since nearly half their services run too and from these schools. I presume they'll start focusing more on public bus services or their bus hire.
Quote from: ayyHugo on November 23, 2020, 07:48:12 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Green Bus now that the catchment admissions system has been introduced for King Edwards schools, since nearly half their services run too and from these schools. I presume they'll start focusing more on public bus services or their bus hire.
I had a look and found the catchment area map.
The routes might be altered./Areas they run to changed.
Ward End, Erdington, Stechford, Yardley, Sutton, Walmley, Bordesley Green/Heartlands etc look to all come under Aston catchment area. So would think 843, 844 and 842 will be able to remain unchanged.
https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ALLBOYS.jpg
Quote from: 2206 on November 23, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
I had a look and found the catchment area map.
The routes might be altered./Areas they run to changed.
Ward End, Erdington, Stechford, Yardley, Sutton, Walmley, Bordesley Green etc look to all come under Aston catchment area. So would think 843, 844 and 842 will be able to remain unchanged.
https://www.schoolsofkingedwardvi.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ALLBOYS.jpg
I'm surprised they haven't introduced any services for Bishop Vesey/Sutton Coldfield Girls since they're essentially going to be the only grammars left in Birmingham without a catchment, so there's most likely going to be an influx of students coming from areas just outside of the Birmingham. I presume there's already good enough transport links with it being located just outside the town centre and train station.
Quote from: ayyHugo on November 23, 2020, 10:17:06 PM
I'm surprised they haven't introduced any services for Bishop Vesey/Sutton Coldfield Girls since they're essentially going to be the only grammars left in Birmingham without a catchment, so there's most likely going to be an influx of students coming from areas just outside of the Birmingham. I presume there's already good enough transport links with it being located just outside the town centre and train station.
They've tried both before without success. Like you say there are good alternatives available
Quote from: ayyHugo on November 23, 2020, 07:48:12 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Green Bus now that the catchment admissions system has been introduced for King Edwards schools, since nearly half their services run too and from these schools. I presume they'll start focusing more on public bus services or their bus hire.
Don't forget about existing students who use the service and may need it for another few years!
The catchment reduction has been on the horizon for a very long time and this is why TGB have been busy expanding into different areas, but demand will still remain within the Foundation schools and the services will evolve to reflect the new geography, as they do every year. At the point where I left to go to uni, pass sales for 2020/21 had actually reached a record high despite (a) new year 7s being restricted to the new catchment areas and (b) the pandemic.
There are also 6 new services to Warwickshire schools which started in September, I started the whole thing by designing two routes and the demand was so high that a whole network was devised. There are also subsidised services to schools in Solihull and Coventry, and there is likely to be more of this to come.
I believe the daily PVR and fleet size is currently the highest it has ever been in the history of the company and I would expect a further increase in coming months
A picture of Gemini 407 in Perry Barr shows the destination reading Handsworth 707, any idea what this route is, not showing on their website?
Could407 on service 707 be one of the school services that thandi ran I know thandi hsc put in a appeal
Quote from: Solo1 on January 23, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
Could407 on service 707 be one of the school services that thandi ran I know thandi hsc put in a appeal
A google search brought up an article from 2007, which mentioned "707 Great Bridge – Sandwell Colleges via West Bromwich", if it is possible realteration of that one.
Article in question: https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2007/06/23/diamond-to-axe-19-school-runs/
Quote from: ellspurs on January 23, 2021, 10:32:25 PM
A google search brought up an article from 2007, which mentioned "707 Great Bridge – Sandwell Colleges via West Bromwich", if it is possible realteration of that one.
Article in question: https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2007/06/23/diamond-to-axe-19-school-runs/
Bus Times suggests school service North Birmingham Academy to Handsworth operating off 845.
There is also one showing as 774 Birmingham City Centre - Handsworth. It tracks as operating off the 844.
There is also a "797 Fortis Academy - Handsworth" that tracks as doing that after the bus that does the 843 (SN55BNY).
They appear to be some sort of private school service from what I can make out, which is why they don't appear on the website. Though i'm not sure what they are other than that.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/258043?date=2021-01-20#
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/258033?date=2021-01-19#
They did used to have another private school route in the Solihull area. As it used to run dead back toward the depot via the X2 route using an Olympian. I'm not sure if that one still runs either. Edit this one seems to be "811 Hockley Heath to Tudor Grange Academy Solihull and St Peter's Catholic School"
Quote from: 2206 on January 23, 2021, 10:51:23 PM
Bus Times suggests school service North Birmingham Academy to Handsworth operating off 845.
There is also one showing as Birmingham City Centre - Handsworth. It tracks as operating off the 844. It appears to be some sort of private school service from what I can make out.
There is also a "797 Fortis Academy - Handsworth" that tracks as doing that after the bus that does the 843 (SN55BNY). Though i'm not sure what they are other than that.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/258043?date=2021-01-20#
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/258033?date=2021-01-19#
They did used to have another private school route in the Solihull area. As it used to run dead back toward the depot via the X2 route using an Olympian. I'm not sure if that one still runs either.
I always forget to check bustimes.org
Anywho, this journey (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/258041?date=2021-01-15#journeys/99614252) is from Handsworth to North Birmingham College (which is what bustimes is saying it is), so it must be that.
Quote from: 2206 on January 23, 2021, 10:51:23 PM
They did used to have another private school route in the Solihull area. As it used to run dead back toward the depot via the X2 route using an Olympian. I'm not sure if that one still runs either. Edit this one seems to be "811 Hockley Heath to Tudor Grange Academy Solihull and St Peter's Catholic School"
The 811 does still operate with 929 under contract to Solihull CC.
929 is normally parked in chelmsley wood in between the 811 driver goes home normally using 72 route from solihull
Quote from: cris 99 on January 24, 2021, 05:35:29 PM
929 is normally parked in chelmsley wood in between the 811 driver goes home normally using 72 route from solihull
Driver lives no where near Chelmsley Wood, its just more convenient for him to park the bus there in between the 811
What route does the 242 do around Kinver please?
I would like it both directions please?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 27, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
What route does the 242 do around Kinver please?
I would like it both directions please?
See: https://wmnetwork.co.uk/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_22242_%20_H_y11_3-3
Quote from: Stu on January 27, 2021, 06:35:42 PM
See: https://wmnetwork.co.uk/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_22242_%20_H_y11_3-3
Thanks
@Stu I wasn't too sure if it did do the one way loop at Kinver because it never used to when it was the 228...That's the only reason why I asked...As I didn't know if TfWM got it right... does it show it on any other website as a loop or not?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 27, 2021, 06:40:47 PM
Thanks @Stu I wasn't too sure if it did do the one way loop at Kinver because it never used to when it was the 228...That's the only reason why I asked...As I didn't know if TfWM got it right... does it show it on any other website as a loop or not?
It does the loop
Quote from: V102MOA on January 28, 2021, 01:19:36 PM
It does the loop
Hi
@V102MOAThanks for that.... What's the reasoning for it doing the loop? As it never used to do the loop when it was the 228..
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:29:47 PM
Hi @V102MOA
Thanks for that.... What's the reasoning for it doing the loop? As it never used to do the loop when it was the 228..
I don't know, I thought the 242 was identical to the 228 in Kinver. How did the 228 turn around if it didn't do the loop?
Quote from: V102MOA on January 28, 2021, 01:32:38 PM
I don't know, I thought the 242 was identical to the 228 in Kinver. How did the 228 turn around if it didn't do the loop?
I think we may be talking at cross purposes.... 😁 It did do the loop of Meddins Lane & Windsor Crescent but it didn't do the following road.
Hyde Road..
This part of the route is new!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:37:34 PM
I think we may be talking at cross purposes.... 😁 It did do the loop of Meddins Lane & Windsor Crescent but it didn't do the following road.
Hyde Road..
This part of the route is new!! 😁
The 242 doesn't use Hyde Lane at all, that looks like a mistake on the WMCA website
Quote from: V102MOA on January 28, 2021, 01:43:19 PM
The 242 doesn't use Hyde Lane at all, that looks like a mistake on the WMCA website
So it does replicate the 228 route in kinver propelry in and out then?!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:48:34 PM
So it does replicate the 228 route in kinver propelry in and out then?!! 😁
Yes it does
Quote from: V102MOA on January 28, 2021, 01:50:29 PM
Yes it does
Ok... Thanks for clearing that up..
I just want to know as well how come you've stopped doing the timetables with the map on you website? You used have the map of the route attached to the serive timetable PDF.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:55:11 PM
Ok... Thanks for clearing that up..
I just want to know as well how come you've stopped doing the timetables with the map on you website? You used have the map of the route attached to the serive timetable PDF.
I don't know, sorry - I'm currently away at uni. I do have a copy of the old route map (i.e. before Merry Hill was removed) if you want it
Quote from: V102MOA on January 28, 2021, 02:18:08 PM
I don't know, sorry - I'm currently away at uni. I do have a copy of the old route map (i.e. before Merry Hill was removed) if you want it
That would be helpful thanks if you don't mind?!! 😁
So there no reason you can think of why the timetable haven't got a map attached to them anymore...I understand that you're at uni... How's it going during this lookdown? How are you coping?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:21:48 PM
That would be helpful thanks if you don't mind?!! 😁
So there no reason you can think of why the timetable haven't got a map attached to them anymore...I understand that you're at uni... How's it going during this lookdown? How are you coping?
I can't attach the map here due to file size limitations but if you want to PM me your email I'm happy to send it - I'll respond via PM anyway to keep this thread on topic.
Quote from: V102MOA on January 29, 2021, 01:48:26 AM
I can't attach the map here due to file size limitations but if you want to PM me your email I'm happy to send it - I'll respond via PM anyway to keep this thread on topic.
Hi
@V102MOAThanks for the message I have PM'D you... Look forward to hearing from you soon..
Saw a Green Bus Olympian at Fox and Goose on Bromford Lane earlier. Looks like they've combined all of there school services (843, 844, etc) into a single service due to lockdown.
Whats more strange is the traking shows they've sent it down Chetwynd Road as well from Washwood Heath Road to Alum Rock Road. I've never heard of a bus going down there before, possibly the first time one ever has.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/264509?date=2021-02-04#journeys/104340729
We used that rd once to get a bus unstuck after an rtc on Washwood heath rd. Wont do it again
Notice they have a new website.
and new 871 school service starting in September on the Washwood Heath Road.
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus-route/871/
Quote from: 2206 on February 27, 2021, 06:07:27 PM
Notice they have a new website.
and new 871 school service starting in September on the Washwood Heath Road.
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus-route/871/
Doesn't Nxwm Perry Barr run the 871?
Quote from: Nxwm on February 28, 2021, 08:39:14 PM
Doesn't Nxwm Perry Barr run the 871?
Completely different route
Quote from: 2206 on February 27, 2021, 06:07:27 PM
Notice they have a new website.
and new 871 school service starting in September on the Washwood Heath Road.
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus-route/871/
The 871 is not a new service, it has ran for years, it is just being modified to account for changes in where people live, like most routes are each year
There are however several new routes to schools in Alcester and Stratford which can be viewed on the website
Who'd spend an hour and twenty five minutes going from Nechells to Camp Hill?
One of the VAMOOZ-wrapped MOA vehicles (302/304) was sunning itself in the layby at Chelmsley Wood this morning.
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Who'd spend an hour and twenty five minutes going from Nechells to Camp Hill?
A large number of students have their Green Bus passes subsidised by the KE Foundation. A long but direct "free" school bus is viewed by parents as a preferential option to catching two "public" buses even if the latter may save them a few minutes
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Who'd spend an hour and twenty five minutes going from Nechells to Camp Hill?
I would have thought it ideal, plenty of time to do your homework!!
Quote from: toomas2212 on March 13, 2021, 07:39:09 PM
Tony, sn56 acj isn't owned by green bus, its from jmb travel👍
Yes ACJ and two others are visiting TGB to be seatbelted
I noticed Kinver Parish Council were looking at agreeing changes to the 242 or 580 to approach Potters Cross from the Rock Houses instead of from the current route month ago
Quote from: V102MOA on March 13, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
Yes ACJ and two others are visiting TGB to be seatbelted
how come ACJ is at the old de courcy depot in miller at
Quote from: Solo1 on March 14, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
how come ACJ is at the old de courcy depot in miller at
See the comment two above - For seatbelting!
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2021, 10:46:16 AM
See the comment two above - For seatbelting!
I saw that .Have green bus moved into miller at then as I thought the green bus was in park road hockley
Quote from: Solo1 on March 14, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
I saw that have green bus moved into miller at then as I thought the green bus was in park lane
@Solo1 The Green Bus haven't moved from their Hockley Depot. I'm under the impression they've acquired the old Travel de Courcey Miller Street Depot for their new Birmingham Busworks venture.
Website: thebusworks.co.uk
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 14, 2021, 06:56:20 PM
@Solo1 The Green Bus haven't moved from their Hockley Depot. I'm under the impression they've acquired the old Travel de Courcey Miller Street Depot for their new Birmingham Busworks venture.
Website: thebusworks.co.uk
@michaelBevan thanks for that
344 has just this second come through Perry Beeches. Blast from the past haven't seen a President along here for a good 14/15 years, never seen a TGB bus through here either.
Quote from: Jack on May 07, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
344 has just this second come through Perry Beeches. Blast from the past haven't seen a President along here for a good 14/15 years, never seen a TGB bus through here either.
Most likely heading to/from Beeches swimming baths
Bus 126 is on the 242 today, missing it's rear number plate, surely illegal?
New livery coming soon...
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1414479766481215488
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2021, 08:25:47 AM
New livery coming soon...
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1414479766481215488
@the trainbasher Enviro 400's too by the looks of it...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 12, 2021, 08:36:32 AM
@the trainbasher Enviro 400's too by the looks of it...
Not necessarily, that's just a (fairly cheap) Photoshop template that's available for purchase online. By your logic, this (http://i.imgur.com/0qXIqch.jpg/) means that Chaserider are getting E400s too.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2021, 08:25:47 AM
New livery coming soon...
It will be interesting to see how many receive the livery or remain in former operator livery.
Quote from: DJ on July 12, 2021, 12:48:55 PM
Not necessarily, that's just a (fairly cheap) Photoshop template that's available for purchase online. By your logic, this (http://"https://i.imgur.com/0qXIqch.jpg") means that Chaserider are getting E400s too.
@DJ I was more referring to this sentence...
Quote from: The Green BusWe are really excited about our new buses hitting the roads very soon!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 12, 2021, 04:33:21 PM
@DJ I was more referring to this sentence...
Ah, I must've missed that bit!
Sooo did they get streetdecks, like they had with the demonstrator or?
Depends if by "new" they mean actual new buses, or "new"ly livered buses.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 13, 2021, 02:57:03 AM
Depends if by "new" they mean actual new buses, or "new"ly livered buses.
new livery 2nd hand buses from London i belive
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2021, 06:48:25 AM
new livery 2nd hand buses from London i belive
toying with the idea of ex-Abellio ones, with a number having been withdrawn at Battersea recently
https://flic.kr/p/2maMhHz
It wouldn't exactly be the first time they've had ex Abellio vehciles
Quote from: CL on July 13, 2021, 12:44:39 PM
toying with the idea of ex-Abellio ones, with a number having been withdrawn at Battersea recently
https://flic.kr/p/2maMhHz
Apart from one obvious one in that line up (the E400 MMC), I wonder if any of those other E400s have been trapped to Euro6 spec?
TGB have some school routes that operate within the CAZ I'm guessing, have they any Euro6 vehicles already?
I'm just hoping we don't have a repeat of when TGB started complaining about emissions standards after buying a load of Plaxton Presidents dirt cheap from NXWM! ;D
Quote from: Stu on July 13, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
TGB have some school routes that operate within the CAZ I'm guessing
I don't think they do have anything within the ring road at present
@Stu, some go round the ring road. So none within the CAZ. I've seen 846 for example in Ladywood area on the 8 route.
Only 1, 882 commencing September 2021 due to a route change. Which runs through the Jewellery Quarter from what I can see on the website. But none within the main City Centre area still though.
Quote from: 2206 on July 13, 2021, 07:17:12 PM
I don't think they do have anything within the ring road at present @Stu, some go round the ring road. So none within the CAZ. I've seen 846 for example in Ladywood area.
Only 1, 882 commencing September 2021 due to a route change. Which runs through the Jewellery Quarter from what I can see on the website. But none within the main City Centre area still though.
They refuel at the Shell service station on the corner of New John Street West and Summer Row, which is barely just in the zone (although I don't recall seeing a camera on Summer Row).
Are those E400s not what were meant to be the original 4800-4829 / destined for NXWM in 2008/9.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 13, 2021, 06:48:25 AM
new livery 2nd hand buses from London i belive
He's just bought 15 Lothian Gems so maybe just a new paint job.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 13, 2021, 07:31:36 PM
They refuel at the Shell service station on the corner of New John Street West and Summer Row, which is barely just in the zone (although I don't recall seeing a camera on Summer Row).
There is a camera on Summer Lane, just past the petrol station
Quote from: ellspurs on July 13, 2021, 07:31:36 PM
They refuel at the Shell service station on the corner of New John Street West and Summer Row, which is barely just in the zone (although I don't recall seeing a camera on Summer Row).
You can get in and out of that petrol station without entering the zone. The boundary on Summer Lane is just after the junction with Hatchett Street
Quote from: Stu on July 13, 2021, 07:00:27 PM
Apart from one obvious one in that line up (the E400 MMC), I wonder if any of those other E400s have been trapped to Euro6 spec?
TGB have some school routes that operate within the CAZ I'm guessing, have they any Euro6 vehicles already?
I'm just hoping we don't have a repeat of when TGB started complaining about emissions standards after buying a load of Plaxton Presidents dirt cheap from NXWM! ;D
Not just the CAZ, but there will be an Enhanced Partnership on the A45 and A34 starting in September so any route that serves at least one stop along these corridors will need to be Euro 6
Quote from: metrocity on July 14, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
Not just the CAZ, but there will be an Enhanced Partnership on the A45 and A34 starting in September so any route that serves at least one stop along these corridors will need to be Euro 6
Yes, even obscure routes like the 54, 424, or even the 77 in Walsall have to be Euro6
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
Yes, even obscure routes like the 54, 424, or even the 77 in Walsall have to be Euro6
Wonder where the Euro 6 vehicles for the 72/73 services are going to come from?
Like 11 and 1/1A they get the older non Euro 6 B7TL buses.
Quote from: metrocity on July 14, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
Not just the CAZ, but there will be an Enhanced Partnership on the A45 and A34 starting in September so any route that serves at least one stop along these corridors will need to be Euro 6
Quote from: 2206 on July 14, 2021, 03:07:45 PM
Wonder where the Euro 6 vehicles for the 72/73 services are going to come from?
Like 11 and 1/1A they get the older non Euro 6 B7TL buses.
Does the "enhanced partnership corridor" for the whole route or just the A45/A34?
The 72/73 just go across it at Sheldon, don't they? I don't recall them stopping on there. I know they stop on the B425 along with the X2 so they'd be included in that regards.
Quote from: V102MOA on July 14, 2021, 10:46:44 AM
You can get in and out of that petrol station without entering the zone. The boundary on Summer Lane is just after the junction with Hatchett Street
Quote from: John on July 14, 2021, 10:05:08 AM
There is a camera on Summer Lane, just past the petrol station
Ah, thought it'd be something like that. Also no idea why I called it Summer Row. I was staring at the map and everything.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 14, 2021, 04:34:42 PM
Does the "enhanced partnership corridor" for the whole route or just the A45/A34?
The 72/73 just go across it at Sheldon, don't they? I don't recall them stopping on there. I know they stop on the B425 along with the X2 so they'd be included in that regards.
Whole of Lode Lane and A45.
Have a look at page 13 of the below document.
https://cmispublic.walsall.gov.uk/CMIS/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=LvFFA7PozJmT3mLSAecdUYKO5kRT04O7RiXN7LW9OXEQRsOmSSt57g%3d%3d&rUzwRPf%2bZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3d%3d=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2fLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3d%3d&mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&kCx1AnS9%2fpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2bAJvYtyA%3d%3d=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&FgPlIEJYlotS%2bYGoBi5olA%3d%3d=NHdURQburHA%3d&d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3d
Quote from: 2206 on July 14, 2021, 04:36:26 PM
Whole of Lode Lane and A45.
Have a look at page 13 of the below document.
https://cmispublic.walsall.gov.uk/CMIS/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=LvFFA7PozJmT3mLSAecdUYKO5kRT04O7RiXN7LW9OXEQRsOmSSt57g%3d%3d&rUzwRPf%2bZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3d%3d=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2fLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3d%3d&mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&kCx1AnS9%2fpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2bAJvYtyA%3d%3d=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&FgPlIEJYlotS%2bYGoBi5olA%3d%3d=NHdURQburHA%3d&d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3d
Ah, ok. So it would include all services servicing Solihull Hospital, including the A2, A10 and S16.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2021, 08:25:47 AM
New livery coming soon...
https://twitter.com/The_Green_Bus/status/1414479766481215488
Hmm. Much prefer the current livery - brighter and more original.
Quote from: tjwpsv on July 19, 2021, 05:22:03 PM
Hmm. Much prefer the current livery - brighter and more original.
Its better than the red/white or white/maroon I often see on their vehicles! :D
The Green Bus will be running an excursion to Buses Festival 2021 at the East of England Showground (near Peterborough) on Sunday 8 August. We intend to use Gemini 417.
Return travel will be £10 and return travel + discounted entry will be £18 (entry on the gate would be £12.50). Tickets must be booked in advance, we won't be able to take any unexpected passengers on the day (unless you want to pay the higher price for entry on the gate).
The current itinerary is as follows, with some flexibility depending on demand:
06:30 - The Green Bus depot, Park Road, Hockley, B18 5ST
06:35 - Hockley Circus, city-bound 74 bus stop before the island
07:30 - Walsgrave Tesco, Coventry, bus stop on Parkway
09:15 - arriving at Buses Festival
To book your place please message me or call the office on 0121 515 0440 and ask for Matt.
Quote from: CL on July 13, 2021, 12:44:39 PM
toying with the idea of ex-Abellio ones, with a number having been withdrawn at Battersea recently
https://flic.kr/p/2maMhHz
LJ09 CCZ (former 9450) has been delivered, it seems
Quote from: CL on July 30, 2021, 01:07:29 PM
LJ09 CCZ (former 9450) has been delivered, it seems
CCX too
For those travelling to Buses Festival next Sunday, here is the updated timetable:
06:00 - The Green Bus depot, Hockley
06:20 - West Bromwich, New Street
06:30 - Oldbury, Birchley Crossing (bus stop just before island on A4034)
07:10 - Birmingham Airport, Cargo Terminal (bus stop just off A45)
07:40 - Walsgrave, Tesco Extra next to M6 J2 (bus stop on Parkway)
09:30 - arrive at East of England Showground
There are still plenty of spaces if anyone wants to book a seat.
I see the Green Bus have registered two new services
X92 Birmingham Station Street - Ludlow Corve Street
X94 Birmingham Station Street - Carding Mill Valley
Both registrations run from 23 July - 03 Sep
Quote from: Davismt2000 on August 03, 2021, 12:01:09 AM
I see the Green Bus have registered two new services
X92 Birmingham Station Street - Ludlow Corve Street
X94 Birmingham Station Street - Carding Mill Valley
Both registrations run from 23 July - 03 Sep
any times for the service + take it weekends only as a guess
Quote from: Solo1 on August 03, 2021, 08:34:30 AM
any times for the service + take it weekends only as a guess
X92 is Tuesdays only, X94 is Thursdays only.
Quote from: Davismt2000 on August 03, 2021, 12:01:09 AM
I see the Green Bus have registered two new services
X92 Birmingham Station Street - Ludlow Corve Street
X94 Birmingham Station Street - Carding Mill Valley
Both registrations run from 23 July - 03 Sep
There was a Green Bus Gemini heading out of City Centre displaying X92 Ludlow via Kidderminster and Cleobury Mortimer this morning infront of University branded 6887 on the X21 at about 09:00 on Holloway Head and Bath Row.
So they started new services that nobody new even existed basically, with no advertising at all.
Was anyone onboard
Nothing on their website about these, neither is there any timetable on the TfWM site.
I've read before here how they've set up temporary routes in the past, basically to give their drivers something to do during the school holidays.
But looking at the registrations for both these routes, they show as 'effective' from 3rd September, so that should be when they start.
Quote from: 2206 on August 03, 2021, 01:35:31 PM
There was a Green Bus Gemini heading out of City Centre displaying X92 Ludlow via Kidderminster and Cleobury Mortimer this morning infront of University branded 6887 on the X21 at about 09:00 on Holloway Head and Bath Row.
So they started new services that nobody new even existed basically, with no advertising at all.
Perhaps just doing some route learning (and some subtle advertising)? If the registration isn't effective until September, they can't collect fares from passengers surely?
I saw an 887 running down the A456 in Hagley either Wednesday or Friday last week. Assumed it was a Green Bus from the matrix despite it being in TWM colours. It's a good idea to use the down time to get route learning done ready for the next term.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 03, 2021, 08:31:02 PM
I saw an 887 running down the A456 in Hagley either Wednesday or Friday last week. Assumed it was a Green Bus from the matrix despite it being in TWM colours. It's a good idea to use the down time to get route learning done ready for the next term.
We don't have an 887 route, or any buses with Matrix displays, or any buses in TWM livery (we have a couple in NX red and white but not TWM) so was unlikely a Green Bus you saw
Quote from: V102MOA on August 03, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
We don't have an 887 route, or any buses with Matrix displays, or any buses in TWM livery (we have a couple in NX red and white but not TWM) so was unlikely a Green Bus you saw
The only one I can think of is NXWM's 4125, as that's in TWM livery and with a flipdot matrix display.
Quote from: V102MOA on August 03, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
We don't have an 887 route, or any buses with Matrix displays, or any buses in TWM livery (we have a couple in NX red and white but not TWM) so was unlikely a Green Bus you saw
It was a red/white one, I keep forgetting the TWM ones had the blue in them.
The matrix was distinctively in the style that The Green Bus uses.
I probably got the route number wrong as I saw it last week, and I'm not going to go diving for a pen/my phone to write things down when driving.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/twm1317.080317%20(1200%20x%20798).jpg
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/twm4698.131124.jpg
^ these are TWM liveries
Quote from: ellspurs on August 05, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
It was a red/white one, I keep forgetting the TWM ones had the blue in them.
The matrix was distinctively in the style that The Green Bus uses.
I probably got the route number wrong as I saw it last week, and I'm not going to go diving for a pen/my phone to write things down when driving.
It would have just been running dead to or from the 242 route as no other buses went out that way last week
Any timetables for the X92/94 yet?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 05, 2021, 08:05:15 PM
Any timetables for the X92/94 yet?
Or indeed any publicity? I mean Kudos for doing such a route in summer holidays but I've only heard about it through the veg-vine
Quote from: Kevin on August 06, 2021, 07:00:07 AM
Or indeed any publicity? I mean Kudos for doing such a route in summer holidays but I've only heard about it through the veg-vine
As
@Stu mentioned above, the routes don't start until September according to the registration.
I do hope the routes go well - I'm in Church Stretton every Wednesday and it is a lovely place.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2021, 02:50:18 PM
As @Stu mentioned above, the routes don't start until September according to the registration.
I do hope the routes go well - I'm in Church Stretton every Wednesday and it is a lovely place.
the two routes started this week
Quote from: karl724223 on August 06, 2021, 03:29:41 PM
the two routes started this week
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582231/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582235/
I guess they're running them as free services as the registration doesn't start until September?
EDIT: https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582507/ they're also starting a service 512 Meriden - Stratford-upon-Avon via Berkswell and Warwick. Probably 1 day a week like the other similarly-numbered services around south Solihull.
The 512 you mention is most likely a school route. They operate a number of Warks school routes in the 5xx series of service numbers
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2021, 03:57:28 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582231/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582235/
I guess they're running them as free services as the registration doesn't start until September?
EDIT: https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582507/ they're also starting a service 512 Meriden - Stratford-upon-Avon via Berkswell and Warwick. Probably 1 day a week like the other similarly-numbered services around south Solihull.
The X92 is Tuesdays only and X94 is Thursdays only its £6 single and £10 Return. I think these 2 routes are only running throughout August only but that im no to sure on.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 06, 2021, 05:19:26 PM
The X92 is Tuesdays only and X94 is Thursdays only its £6 single and £10 Return. I think these 2 routes are only running throughout August only but that im no to sure on.
Whats the point in running them if nobody knows they even exist?
I guess they leave Birmingham at 09.00? What time do they return?
The registration on the DVSA site says it starts on the 3rd September as well?
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2021, 05:22:59 PM
Whats the point in running them if nobody knows they even exist?
I guess they leave Birmingham at 09.00? What time do they return?
The registration on the DVSA site says it starts on the 3rd September as well?
The X92 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to Ludlow at 11:05 then departs at 13:20 to get to Birmingham for around 15:30
The X94 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to carding mill valley at 11:40 then departs at 14:00 to get to Birmingham at 16:35
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 06, 2021, 05:56:18 PM
The X92 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to Ludlow at 11:05 then departs at 13:20 to get to Birmingham for around 15:30
The X94 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to carding mill valley at 11:40 then departs at 14:00 to get to Birmingham at 16:35
Thankyou. Does X92 come through Kidderminster at about 14:30 then?
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
Thankyou. Does X92 come through Kidderminster at about 14:30 then?
Yes Kidderminster Station at 14:30
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 06, 2021, 05:56:18 PM
The X92 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to Ludlow at 11:05 then departs at 13:20 to get to Birmingham for around 15:30
The X94 leaves Birmingham at 9:00 gets to carding mill valley at 11:40 then departs at 14:00 to get to Birmingham at 16:35
How do you know this? Where is this information available please?
Quote from: Stu on August 06, 2021, 06:56:07 PM
How do you know this? Where is this information available please?
In the comments of this facebook post there is a timetable
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1885958994991792/permalink/2935237326730615/
These two routes are up and running and being driven by a ex member of pensnett
@pndriver
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 06, 2021, 07:22:51 PM
In the comments of this facebook post there is a timetable
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1885958994991792/permalink/2935237326730615/
So it's only for us bus veg to find out about then?
Quote from: Davismt2000 on August 06, 2021, 04:26:30 PM
The 512 you mention is most likely a school route. They operate a number of Warks school routes in the 5xx series of service numbers
512 is listed on The Green Bus website, yes:
https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus-route/512/
Quote from: karl724223 on August 06, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
These two routes are up and running and being driven by a ex member of pensnett
@pndriver
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2021, 03:57:28 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582231/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/582235/
I guess they're running them as free services as the registration doesn't start until September?
So unless the registration effective date is incorrect, these are currently 'free' services?
Quote from: Stu on August 07, 2021, 02:27:28 PM
So unless the registration effective date is incorrect, these are currently 'free' services?
no not free £6 single £10 return
If you are so worried why don't you contact greenbus
Quote from: Stu on August 07, 2021, 02:27:28 PM
So unless the registration effective date is incorrect, these are currently 'free' services?
Registration effective date is wrong. Service X92 started last Tuesday. X94 started Thursday.
X92 to Ludlow Runs Tuesday's in August only.
X94 to Carding Mill Valley runs Thursday's in August only.
Payment can be made by contact less payment methods only on board the bus. £6 single and £10 return. Concessionary passes are valid after 09:30am.
Both services start at Station Street from stand NS13 at 9am on their respective days.
Service X92 leaves city and operates along the Hagley Road to Quinton, then via Mucklow Hill to Halesowen. From Halesowen the route runs through Blakedown, Kidderminster (Serving Severn Valley Railway not the town centre) West Midlands Safari Park, Bewdley Town Centre, Far Forest, Cleobury Mortimer, Clee Hill and Terminating at Ludlow. Arriving at 11:05 and leaving again at 13:40.
Service X94 leaves city and operates along the Hagley Road to Quinton, this service then operates via Quinton expressway, Manor Way and serves Halesowen bus station, from here the service operates along Church Croft and Richmond Street to Stourbridge Road, Windmill Hill, Toys Lane, Oldnall Road, Brook Holloway, Wolloscote Road, Chawn Hill to Stourbridge Junction, then operates along the 242 route (Averting Bridle Road) to Kinver, Six Ashes, Bridgnorth High Street, Ironbridge, Buildwas Abbey, Longville, Church Stretton and terminating at Carding Mill Valley.
But no, it is not free. And it is operating.
Quote from: karl724223 on August 07, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
no not free £6 single £10 return
If you are so worried why don't you contact greenbus
I am not worried about this, I was just trying to get a straight answer to a straight question.
Quote from: pndriver on August 07, 2021, 04:54:29 PM
Registration effective date is wrong. Service X92 started last Tuesday. X94 started Thursday.
X92 to Ludlow Runs Tuesday's in August only.
X94 to Carding Mill Valley runs Thursday's in August only.
Payment can be made by contact less payment methods only on board the bus. £6 single and £10 return. Concessionary passes are valid after 09:30am.
Both services start at Station Street from stand NS13 at 9am on their respective days.
Service X92 leaves city and operates along the Hagley Road to Quinton, then via Mucklow Hill to Halesowen. From Halesowen the route runs through Blakedown, Kidderminster (Serving Severn Valley Railway not the town centre) West Midlands Safari Park, Bewdley Town Centre, Far Forest, Cleobury Mortimer, Clee Hill and Terminating at Ludlow. Arriving at 11:05 and leaving again at 13:40.
Service X94 leaves city and operates along the Hagley Road to Quinton, this service then operates via Quinton expressway, Manor Way and serves Halesowen bus station, from here the service operates along Church Croft and Richmond Street to Stourbridge Road, Windmill Hill, Toys Lane, Oldnall Road, Brook Holloway, Wolloscote Road, Chawn Hill to Stourbridge Junction, then operates along the 242 route (Averting Bridle Road) to Kinver, Six Ashes, Bridgnorth High Street, Ironbridge, Buildwas Abbey, Longville, Church Stretton and terminating at Carding Mill Valley.
But no, it is not free. And it is operating.
Thanks for the clarification and the details. I'd be happy to post about this on my website if thats okay. Are these just 'day out' services, or is there some other purpose behind them? (School holiday educational trips for example, which the public can also travel on, or something like that)
Quote from: Stu on August 07, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
I am not worried about this, I was just trying to get a straight answer to a straight question.
Thanks for the clarification and the details. I'd be happy to post about this on my website if thats okay. Are these just 'day out' services, or is there some other purpose behind them? (School holiday educational trips for example, which the public can also travel on, or something like that)
Just day out services. Anyone can get on at any stop along the route.
As per the picture you posted. Why us the service not listed on the bus stop.
Also presumably encts passes are accepted on them.
Quote from: pndriver on August 07, 2021, 05:14:42 PM
Just day out services. Anyone can get on at any stop along the route.
Thank you, can you provide the timetables so I can add them to my article?
https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/2021/08/the-green-bus-introduce-day-out-services-for-summer-2021/
Quote from: Stu on August 07, 2021, 05:53:04 PM
Thank you, can you provide the timetables so I can add them to my article?
https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/2021/08/the-green-bus-introduce-day-out-services-for-summer-2021/
Quote from: pndriver on August 07, 2021, 06:43:30 PM
Thanks again! Its a shame I am working throughout August, otherwise I'd have been interested in taking up this opportunity for a nice day out. I last went to Carding Mill Valley as a teenager in the Scouts and enjoyed a rigorous weekend walking along the Long Mynd.
Please do let whoever is responsible for this to let me know in future about these kinds of special services, as I am happy to promote and publicise them for free on my own website.
Slight update to the above, due to National Trust parking restrictions we are unable to take the X94 into Carding Mill Valley itself, therefore the X94 will be terminating in Church Stretton just 5 minutes walk away from the beautiful valley
Quote from: pndriver on August 07, 2021, 06:43:30 PM
How do people not on this site find timetables, not on Green Bus website, Bustimes or traveline from what I can see. Have you actually carried any passengers and how are the services being promoted??
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 07, 2021, 10:02:09 PM
How do people not on this site find timetables, not on Green Bus website, Bustimes or traveline from what I can see. Have you actually carried any passengers and how are the services being promoted??
In a way, I would feel bad if suddenly a hundred people turn up on Tuesday or Thursday now, only to get turned away because these services use one vehicle and thus spaces are limited.
I would guess that TGB have done some limited promotion of these services somewhere, just to get at least enough passengers to make the journey worthwhile for them.
The driver said can somebody turn up tomorrow
@pndriver
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2021, 08:06:22 PM
In a way, I would feel bad if suddenly a hundred people turn up on Tuesday or Thursday now, only to get turned away because these services use one vehicle and thus spaces are limited.
I would guess that TGB have done some limited promotion of these services somewhere, just to get at least enough passengers to make the journey worthwhile for them.
What a lovely problem for an operator to have !
Surely the service is operating against the Transport Act 1985 if the registration has not been accepted to commence until 3 September and is taking fares?
Quote from: Straightlines on August 09, 2021, 09:27:41 PM
Surely the service is operating against the Transport Act 1985 if the registration has not been accepted to commence until 3 September and is taking fares?
See pndriver's reply on the previous page:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=347.msg293444#msg293444
Quote from: V102MOA on August 07, 2021, 10:01:37 PM
Slight update to the above, due to National Trust parking restrictions we are unable to take the X94 into Carding Mill Valley itself, therefore the X94 will be terminating in Church Stretton just 5 minutes walk away from the beautiful valley
could you not drop off at carding Mill valley & then drive off to park in church Stretton
Quote from: Stu on August 10, 2021, 07:27:10 AM
See pndriver's reply on the previous page:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=347.msg293444#msg293444
I had already thank you, but it didn't answer my question. It looks to me like the services were attempted to be registered at short notice, but presumably this was not accepted.
Quote from: Straightlines on August 10, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
I had already thank you, but it didn't answer my question. It looks to me like the services were attempted to be registered at short notice, but presumably this was not accepted.
Or the service was accepted and a data entry error was made? It looks to me like 3rd Sept should show as the 'End Date' rather than 'Date Effective'. It has probably already been amended internally, but not updated on the VOL site.
Quote from: karl724223 on August 09, 2021, 08:14:31 PM
The driver said can somebody turn up tomorrow
@pndriver
Did anybody turn up for you across the whole route?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 10, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
Did anybody turn up for you across the whole route?
I had a passenger board at Station Street and 2 at Halesowen bus station. Both the X92 and X94 could potentially be filled. If a poster was put up in Halesowen there would be a bus full of pensioners going out for the day.
Quote from: pndriver on August 10, 2021, 10:19:56 PM
I had a passenger board at Station Street and 2 at Halesowen bus station. Both the X92 and X94 could potentially be filled. If a poster was put up in Halesowen there would be a bus full of pensioners going out for the day.
The City terminus is in a weird location as well. What about using the Priory Queensway as a terminus or put a poster on the stops there. As it surely has hundreds/thousands more people using the stops there than Station Street, so better place to promote them.
So loads of armchair web warriors are going with
@pndriver tomorrow after all the whinging done on here about the route
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
So loads of armchair web warriors are going with @pndriver tomorrow after all the whinging done on here about the route
Luckily..... I'm not driving tomorrow.
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
So loads of armchair web warriors are going with @pndriver tomorrow after all the whinging done on here about the route
The routes were announced, there was no information showing on TfWM and the registrations were showing that it didn't start until September. The timetable was posted on a restricted-access Facebook group and there was also no information on the operator's website/facebook/twitter. Do you not see where the concern could've come from?
@pndriver clarified the information and a timetable was posted so all is good.
I was over in Church Stretton today (looking as lovely as it always does) and am in Ludlow on Friday as per my normal work route. I just hope whomever is driving doesn't get snarled up in the traffic and closed roads that I endured today.
Quote from: pndriver on August 11, 2021, 07:28:34 PM
Luckily..... I'm not driving tomorrow.
I wonder who is!
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
So loads of armchair web warriors are going with @pndriver tomorrow after all the whinging done on here about the route
I have 3 days leave week beginning 23rd August, one possible idea is to visit Birmingham and do a day out on Tues or Thurs.
Two E400s have not long passed Hockley Circus
One was too far to ID, and the other I saw seems to be allocated fleet number 603
Nine E400s will be on rail replacement tomorrow between Birmingham, Water Orton and Coleshill.
To confuse matters more on the new services, Staffordshire Council is promoting the X94 as starting in September. This has only been added to the site in the past few days! If this is simply a registration typo, surely councils should have been updated with the new dates?
Does anyone have a list of the ex Abellio vehicles that have joined the fleet?
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 18, 2021, 09:31:57 AM
Does anyone have a list of the ex Abellio vehicles that have joined the fleet?
From what I seen:
9448 LJ09 CCX
9450 LJ09 CCZ
9451 LJ09 CDE
9452 LJ09 CDF
9453 LJ09 CDK
9454 LJ09 CDN
9455 LJ09 CDO
9456 LJ09 CDU
I'm told PO51 WNM has now been sold for preservation, although I've not got any other details yet.
609 will be on the X94 tomorrow if anyone wants a ride.
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 18, 2021, 09:53:04 AM
From what I seen:
9448 LJ09 CCX
9450 LJ09 CCZ
9451 LJ09 CDE
9452 LJ09 CDF
9453 LJ09 CDK
9454 LJ09 CDN
9455 LJ09 CDO
9456 LJ09 CDU
CCZ too
Quote from: metrocity on August 19, 2021, 05:21:48 PM
Have they been repainted yet?
Not as far as I am aware
At least 3 more E400s have arrived this week. There are now at least 12.
The DeCourcey Tridents have been withdrawn and gone away to storage, 109/110 have been sold to another operator and 105 is being sold to a preservationist.
Quote from: V102MOA on August 20, 2021, 09:15:28 PM
At least 3 more E400s have arrived this week. There are now at least 12.
Acting in a dealer capacity ?? ?? I have noted a few bus and coach companies who now "buy and sell" in addition to their more usual roles. Walters of Oxfordshire and Procters Coach Group from the North East are two that spring to mind.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on August 21, 2021, 10:58:30 AM
Acting in a dealer capacity ?? ?? I have noted a few bus and coach companies who now "buy and sell" in addition to their more usual roles. Walters of Oxfordshire and Procters Coach Group from the North East are two that spring to mind.
Nope. They are all for our fleet
Quote from: V102MOA on August 21, 2021, 05:13:35 PM
Nope. They are all for our fleet
Any in the new livery? What's Ian doing with all the Gems he's just bought?
Quote from: BN on August 22, 2021, 07:27:34 AM
Any in the new livery? What's Ian doing with all the Gems he's just bought?
Not yet, but I believe they will be starting on them soon, I certainly don't expect them to spend their lives with us in red.
The Geminis are all staying indefinitely, they have been converted to Euro 6 over the summer
Quote from: V102MOA on August 21, 2021, 05:13:35 PM
Nope. They are all for our fleet
Thanks V102 for all your updates.
Is anyone planning on doing the X92 on the last Tuesday in August?
Quote from: sonic84 on August 23, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
Is anyone planning on doing the X92 on the last Tuesday in August?
the driver
One of their Geminis was in Dudley today, with 'Recruitment Bus' and 'The Green Bus needs you!' on the blinds.
Quote from: DJ on August 25, 2021, 12:50:56 PM
One of their Geminis was in Dudley today, with 'Recruitment Bus' and 'The Green Bus needs you!' on the blinds.
You forgot 'immediate start' and free donuts
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 18, 2021, 09:53:04 AM
From what I seen:
9448 LJ09 CCX
9450 LJ09 CCZ
9451 LJ09 CDE
9452 LJ09 CDF
9453 LJ09 CDK
9454 LJ09 CDN
9455 LJ09 CDO
9456 LJ09 CDU
Looking back at all my photos from the Coleshill rail reps over the last couple of weeks, I believe these are the E400's TGB have acquired from Abellio London (not sure if any are missing from this list, so please feel free to correct me if I've missed anything).
LJ09 CCX (now 601)
LJ09 CCY (now 602)
LJ09 CCZ (now 603)
LJ09 CDE (now 604)
LJ09 CDF (now 605)
LJ09 CDK (now 606)
LJ09 CDN (now 607)
LJ09 CDO (now 608)
LJ09 CDU (now 609)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 27, 2021, 12:10:31 PM
Looking back at all my photos from the Coleshill rail reps over the last couple of weeks, I believe these are the E400's TGB have acquired from Abellio London (not sure if any are missing from this list, so please feel free to correct me if I've missed anything).
LJ09 CCX (now 601)
LJ09 CCY (now 602)
LJ09 CCZ (now 603)
LJ09 CDE (now 604)
LJ09 CDF (now 605)
LJ09 CDK (now 606)
LJ09 CDN (now 607)
LJ09 CDO (now 608)
LJ09 CDU (now 609)
Looks correct to me. 610-619 have now all arrived too but none are in service yet
There was a rail replacement bus at new Street today. I believe it was 603.
Quote from: mesub on August 27, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
There was a rail replacement bus at new Street today. I believe it was 603.
They are running out to Coleshill along Moor Street Queensway, Jennens Road, A47 Heartlands Parkway, etc I think today. I saw one on Moor Street and a second heading out of City Centre behind 4843.
I noted Enviro 400's LJ09 CDX, LJ09 CDY & LJ09 CEK outside Hockley garage yesterday. Could anyone advise what their fleet numbers will be as they didn't appear to have one. Thanks.
604 and 1 other were out on the 242 today!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2021, 06:58:35 PM
604 and 1 other were out on the 242 today!
Complete with paper blinds
The Green Bus will this year once again be providing travel from the West Midlands to the world's biggest bus show, Showbus, which is returning to the Hertfordshire County Showground on Sunday 26 September 2021.
We will start by picking up at our depot in Hockley, and then in Birmingham city centre, and will offer various pickups along the way, depending on demand. We'll aim to arrive between 0900 and 0930 and will depart at the end of show, which is normally around 1630. The gates don't open to the general public until 1100, so by arriving on our bus you'll get early entry while the site is still quiet.
Tickets will cost £10 per person for return travel only. Entry to the show is £10 payable on the gate at arrival.
Please send me a message to register your interest and book your place! Any questions as always feel free to ask.
617 is LJ09CEN.
618 is LJ09CEO.
The pickup points for Sunday's trip to Showbus will be as follows:
07:00 - The Green Bus depot, Hockley, B18 5ST
07:20 - Birmingham city centre, Station Street (stop NS13)
07:30 - Birmingham city centre, Snow Hill Queensway (stop SQ6)
08:05 - Walsgrave, Tesco (bus stop on Parkway)
We should arrive at Showbus for about 09:45, and will depart at approximately 16:30 at the end of the show.
Return travel will be £10 (payable by card either in advance or on the day).
The entry fee is £10 (payable on the gate on arrival).
610 is LJ09 CDV
611 is LJ09 CDX
613 is LJ09 CDZ
614 is LJ09 CEA
619 is LJ09 CEU
The other three reported as being here LJ09 CDY / CEF / CEK are presumably 612 / 615 / 616 - can anyone confirm, please?
LJ09 CEK confirmed as 616.
I am told Select are taking the 242 from Monday due to driver shortage.
Quote from: mikestone on September 24, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
I am told Select are taking the 242 from Monday due to driver shortage.
Yes that's right, they have won it on an a Staffs CC emergency tender
Quote from: mikestone on September 24, 2021, 05:21:05 PM
I am told Select are taking the 242 from Monday due to driver shortage.
The service costs more to run than it makes, with it gone the company can focus more on the jobs they specialise in. School services, private hire and rail replacements. All of which are helping the business grow. Drivers have recently had a 10% pay increase Monday to Friday and a 70% increase at weekends. The company is in no way struggling and is making profit where most are losing money at the moment.
Despite what little jumped up know it all wanna be engineers think. And her comments on Facebook once again have got her reported.
8)
Traveline Midlands also has it moving due to driver shortage
Quote from: V102MOA on September 21, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
The pickup points for Sunday's trip to Showbus will be as follows:
07:00 - The Green Bus depot, Hockley, B18 5ST
07:20 - Birmingham city centre, Station Street (stop NS13)
07:30 - Birmingham city centre, Snow Hill Queensway (stop SQ6)
08:05 - Walsgrave, Tesco (bus stop on Parkway)
We should arrive at Showbus for about 09:45, and will depart at approximately 16:30 at the end of the show.
Return travel will be £10 (payable by card either in advance or on the day).
The entry fee is £10 (payable on the gate on arrival).
SN56AFJ looked good at Showbus in the sun.
LJ09 CDY now confirmed as 612 and likewise LJ09 CEF as 615.
#607 now has a digital destination display - the first I have seen on one of 601-19.
Quote from: tjwpsv on October 01, 2021, 08:21:08 PM
LJ09 CDY now confirmed as 612 and likewise LJ09 CEF as 615.
#607 now has a digital destination display - the first I have seen on one of 601-19.
Just out of curiosity, where did you see 612 ?
Quote from: pndriver on October 01, 2021, 09:36:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, where did you see 612 ?
It was on the pm 512 today.
W112 DOP is now with Confidence of Leicester. It becomes their fleet number 96 and is currently running around still in Vamooz livery.
Quote from: 47609FireFly on October 02, 2021, 12:48:55 AM
W112 DOP is now with Confidence of Leicester. It becomes their fleet number 96 and is currently running around still in Vamooz livery.
302 and 304 too
Quote from: tjwpsv on October 01, 2021, 09:47:51 PM
It was on the pm 512 today.
I know that, I was driving it. Just wondered where you were.
By the big roundabout in Alcester.
Why does the 886 Sedgely - Bartley Green have such a long layover at the start of service?
It's usually parked in the bus layby on Bull Ring around 06.10-06.20 every morning (as it was today) and it's timetabled to leave at 06.53. The 1 and 27 can't pull into the layby and serve the stop correctly so has to pull either just behind still in the road, or just in front still blocking traffic approaching Bull Ring Island.
Shouldn't buses who are waiting time/waiting to start service park elsewhere to allow service buses to observe the stops properly?
Ask nx who block city stops regularly
Quote from: Steveminor on October 11, 2021, 05:12:48 PM
Ask nx who block city stops regularly
That doesn't answer the question posed though.
Off-topic discussion split into new topic:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6102.0
Quote from: Wumpty on October 11, 2021, 08:08:02 AM
Why does the 886 Sedgely - Bartley Green have such a long layover at the start of service?
It's usually parked in the bus layby on Bull Ring around 06.10-06.20 every morning (as it was today) and it's timetabled to leave at 06.53. The 1 and 27 can't pull into the layby and serve the stop correctly so has to pull either just behind still in the road, or just in front still blocking traffic approaching Bull Ring Island.
Shouldn't buses who are waiting time/waiting to start service park elsewhere to allow service buses to observe the stops properly?
As Green Bus don't have managerial representation on the forum, it would be a better idea to email them !
Quote from: metrocity on October 12, 2021, 09:51:39 AM
As Green Bus don't have managerial representation on the forum, it would be a better idea to email them !
Why would it be a better idea to email them? (!) It's a general question to a forum where some of their drivers post, and not every bus manager wants to be here formally.
It's an observation and not a complaint. I'm just intrigued as to why they are either scheduled to arrive that early, or driver chooses to arrive earlier than he needs to.
Maybe it's just favourable traffic meaning they're early
Quote from: Wumpty on October 12, 2021, 11:35:07 AM
Why would it be a better idea to email them? (!) It's a general question to a forum where some of their drivers post, and not every bus manager wants to be here formally.
It's an observation and not a complaint. I'm just intrigued as to why they are either scheduled to arrive that early, or driver chooses to arrive earlier than he needs to.
Very constructive...
I think
@metrocity was being sarcastic lol
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 12, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
Maybe it's just favourable traffic meaning they're early
It's certainly a possibility and something I'd considered. I'm all for arriving in good time to start service, though Sedgley's Dudley Street doesn't take much to create congestion, even at that early hour. The 1s have to park in the road and obstruct traffic - this partially obscures anyone trying to pull out of Vicar Street (especially if a 27 is trying to do so) and it can all get very messy. Just find it a bit odd that it's there some 30-45 minutes before service.
Good shout though.
929 Olympian on 843 this afternoon.
None of The Green Bus vehicles have tracked on bustimes.org this week. I assume this is down to a problem of data transmission as they're still operating.
Tracking has been hit or miss for a couple of weeks now , making it difficult for me to track down the ex-Lothian ones. :-\
I have updated The Green Bus fleetlist on my website tonight
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
would one of the staff there check I now have it correct please?
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2021, 07:08:19 PM
I have updated The Green Bus fleetlist on my website tonight
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
would one of the staff there check I now have it correct please?
From my personal observations . . . . . all correct with the buses I have seen.
ive been informed 105 is now in preservation and was seen at Brooklands yesterday
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2021, 07:08:19 PM
I have updated The Green Bus fleetlist on my website tonight
http://wmbusphotos.com/greenbus/fleetlist.html
would one of the staff there check I now have it correct please?
105 was sold to a preservationist in August
I believe 111 and 129 are also withdrawn in storage, and that 397 has not actually left the fleet,
@pndriver will be able to confirm as I am away from Birmingham
Everything else looks correct and Geminis/E400s are all correct
Do we know why there's been no tracking information for Green Bus on bustimes.org? It's been like this for at least the last week or so.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 02:54:23 PM
Do we know why there's been no tracking information for Green Bus on bustimes.org? It's been like this for at least the last week or so.
Not since October 9th it seems. I don't know the technicalities of how the tracking system works, but it would seem TGB have 'lost connection' to whatever source collects their data to feed it to TfWM.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 02:54:23 PM
Do we know why there's been no tracking information for Green Bus on bustimes.org? It's been like this for at least the last week or so.
There's been sporadic times during the last week where Stagecoach Oxfordshire's fleet has disappeared from tracking as well, so Green Bus might be having similar problems?
Tracking went down but was up and running again with 100% of the buses tracking. No buses running at the minute though except for the odd private hire. There'll be a few out on Sunday on rail replacements between Tipton, Wolverhampton and Stafford.
Quote from: V102MOA on October 26, 2021, 07:32:19 PM
105 was sold to a preservationist in August
I believe 111 and 129 are also withdrawn in storage, and that 397 has not actually left the fleet, @pndriver will be able to confirm as I am away from Birmingham
Everything else looks correct and Geminis/E400s are all correct
397 is still currently in storage but Confidence Travel want to buy it. So will be leaving the fleet very soon.
Also...... how do I go about changing my name on here now
Quote from: pndriver on October 28, 2021, 05:13:23 PM
Also...... how do I go about changing my name on here now
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2462.0
PM one of the Moderators/Tony it looks like.
Still nothing since the 9th of October as far as I can see. I have no idea how Bus Times works , do operators have the option to "opt - out" ?? ??
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on October 29, 2021, 11:19:38 AMI have no idea how Bus Times works , do operators have the option to "opt - out" ?? ??
Bustimes collects the data from BODS, the bus Open Data Service.
Bus open data regulations
The Public Service Vehicles (Open Data) (England) Regulations were made in July 2020 and set out the statutory deadlines for bus operators to legally publish their data.
31 December 2020 - Obligation to provide bus timetable data to the Bus Open Data Service.
7 January 2021 - Obligation to provide vehicle location and basic fares and tickets data to the Bus Open Data Service.
7 January 2023 - Obligation to provide complex fares and ticket data to the Bus Open Data Service.
All operators who run public bus services in England must publish their data from late 2020. Community bus operators are currently outside the scope of the new service (i.e. those with exemptions under Section 19 or Section 22 of the Local Government Act 1985).
Thank you 'trainbasher' , it's a bit more involved than I realised !!
Seems as though registered customers are not able to access the company's tracking either. (From the company's facebook page)
"Your tracking system on route 872 is not working again!!!!!!! It took you over 2 weeks!!!! To install a new system!! And this morning it isn't functioning again!!!!
Parents use your tracking system as a means to check their children have reached safely!!! So please fix it!!!!"
There's a couple of bus companies not tracking at the moment:
Quote from: Midland Classic (from Facebook)7/11/21 11:25. It seems our ticket machine supplier is doing some kind of change to their system and so our buses aren't tracking on the app or bustimes.org (along with other operators who use the same system). Our buses are out there!
Still no tracking information for the last two weeks. Whether it's the ticket machine suppliers/updates they still have an obligation to provide some information:
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 29, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
Bustimes collects the data from BODS, the bus Open Data Service.
Bus open data regulations
The Public Service Vehicles (Open Data) (England) Regulations were made in July 2020 and set out the statutory deadlines for bus operators to legally publish their data.
31 December 2020 - Obligation to provide bus timetable data to the Bus Open Data Service.
7 January 2021 - Obligation to provide vehicle location and basic fares and tickets data to the Bus Open Data Service.
7 January 2023 - Obligation to provide complex fares and ticket data to the Bus Open Data Service.
All operators who run public bus services in England must publish their data from late 2020. Community bus operators are currently outside the scope of the new service (i.e. those with exemptions under Section 19 or Section 22 of the Local Government Act 1985).
As one post has eluded:
Quote from: tjwpsv on November 06, 2021, 05:11:55 PM
Seems as though registered customers are not able to access the company's tracking either. (From the company's facebook page)
"Your tracking system on route 872 is not working again!!!!!!! It took you over 2 weeks!!!! To install a new system!! And this morning it isn't functioning again!!!!
Parents use your tracking system as a means to check their children have reached safely!!! So please fix it!!!!"
Parents do use this as a means of tracking their children's progress, especially as some routes have a running time of around an hour or more.
Disappointing that a a bus company whose core business is school transport has so many issues tracking these school services.
First "Worcestershire" not tracking today . . . . . .
. . . . neither are Diamond. :'(
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on November 08, 2021, 11:08:04 AM
. . . . neither are Diamond. :'(
That is a issue with their supploer, Ticketer
All ticketer operators are affected
Quote from: Steveminor on November 08, 2021, 01:59:59 PM
All ticketer operators are affected
Question is, who is liable for ensuring that operators are tracking? Is it the operator as they are responsible for providing the tracking information as it's their business, or is it the machine supplier as they have the contract to supply the tech that the bus companies are using.
I know which I'd be looking at.
Ticketer are always in constant dialogue with DFT over all BODS related issues. I dont know about other ETM suppliers.
Todays total trivia - Two months since Green Bus have "tracked". :-\
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on December 09, 2021, 10:41:00 AM
Todays total trivia - Two months since Green Bus have "tracked". :-\
You've anticipated my next post Sir!
Does seem very strange that a company that invests heavily in its fleet and school transport has a system that hasn't tracked for so long.
Not aware of any other local operators with Ticketer systems that have had the same lengths of outage.
Quote from: Wumpty on December 09, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
You've anticipated my next post Sir!
Does seem very strange that a company that invests heavily in its fleet and school transport has a system that hasn't tracked for so long.
Not aware of any other local operators with Ticketer systems that have had the same lengths of outage.
I was under the impression that Greenbus dont use Ticketer or any ticket machines for that matter?
Quote from: metrocity on December 09, 2021, 01:42:16 PM
I was under the impression that Greenbus dont use Ticketer or any ticket machines for that matter?
Correct, greenbus buses don't have any ticket machines fitted
Quote from: Lukeee on December 09, 2021, 03:16:02 PM
Correct, greenbus buses don't have any ticket machines fitted
No ticket machines, the vehicle tracker is working on all of them though. Except 120 which disappeared yesterday.
Quote from: pndriver on December 09, 2021, 09:00:21 PM
No ticket machines, the vehicle tracker is working on all of them though. Except 120 which disappeared yesterday.
Are these the vehicle trackers used by GB themselves as the bustimes tracking is still not showing?
Quote from: Lukeee on December 09, 2021, 03:16:02 PM
Correct, greenbus buses don't have any ticket machines fitted
To be fair , I have never looked to see . . . . . :-\
Green Bus has now started tracking on bus times with 2 Enviro 400s tracking as rail replacement
Heard some rumours that The Green bus have put in a bid for the ex Walsall 17** B7RLE'S aswell not sure how true this is or just aload of rubbish but would be interesting if they did buy them what exactly would they use them for
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on December 31, 2021, 11:02:43 PM
Heard some rumours that The Green bus have put in a bid for the ex Walsall 17** B7RLE'S aswell not sure how true this is or just aload of rubbish but would be interesting if they did buy them what exactly would they use them for
Long distance rail replacements between Edinburgh and London.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on December 31, 2021, 11:02:43 PM
Heard some rumours that The Green bus have put in a bid for the ex Walsall 17** B7RLE'S aswell not sure how true this is or just aload of rubbish but would be interesting if they did buy them what exactly would they use them for
that would be quite cool to see but I think claribels should get some so that they can expand and operate more routes
Quote from: bbs on January 01, 2022, 12:38:59 PM
that would be quite cool to see but I think claribels should get some so that they can expand and operate more routes
Do you realise how much it costs to start a new route? Claribels have cut off services in favour of tenders I can't see them starting anything new commercially especially with the current ongoing situation. As well as that I doubt Claribels would want them, their fleet is all Euro 6 apart from 3 vehicles...
Long distance rail replacement between London and Edinburgh? Blimey, that's some distance! Presumably they'll be converted to Euro 6?
Quote from: Jack on January 01, 2022, 06:06:46 PM
Do you realise how much it costs to start a new route? Claribels have cut off services in favour of tenders I can't see them starting anything new commercially especially with the current ongoing situation. As well as that I doubt Claribels would want them, their fleet is all Euro 6 apart from 3 vehicles...
We will always look at any commercial opportunities, there just isnt any at present. As stated they aren't euro 6 & I doubt nx would sell them to a competitor anyway
Quote from: BNH2004 on December 31, 2021, 10:22:04 PM
Green Bus has now started tracking on bus times with 2 Enviro 400s tracking as rail replacement
Tracking up to yesterday, but not today...
Nice to see 127 out in service the other day. :)
Does anybody know why NX 1756 is showing reversing out of Green Bus depot in today's photo of 402?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on February 22, 2022, 11:18:51 PM
Does anybody know why NX 1756 is showing reversing out of Green Bus depot in today's photo of 402?
Because TGB own it
Quote from: fleetline6477 on February 22, 2022, 11:18:51 PM
Does anybody know why NX 1756 is showing reversing out of Green Bus depot in today's photo of 402?
I believe 1750-1772 have been sold to green bus with the earlier examples being sold on from greenbus and the later ones being used for Rail Replacement works and etc
Although im welcome on being correctex
UK Buses website has BX56XCD on fleet as their 702. The following fleetlist correct as of 19.02.2022.
I look at both this and
@Tony 's website to compare any movements.
https://www.ukbuses.co.uk/fleet/greenbus.pdf
Excellent use of the multi-coloured LED destination displays on this morning's 886 from Sedgley - displayed route, number and the Ukranian flag on the displays.
714 had her first day in service with the green bus today. Operated the 723 and 882 this afternoon.
365 at Hartshorne Volvo Pensnett.
A little surprised to see printed blinds with Rail Replacement Coleshill Parkway, and presumably in error, Birmingham International, on Saturday.
.
Are they done in house?
Quote from: mikestone on April 27, 2022, 04:16:07 PMA little surprised to see printed blinds with Rail Replacement Coleshill Parkway, and presumably in error, Birmingham International, on Saturday.
.
Are they done in house?
They were made by an external company last summer and were fitted to most E400s as a cheap and quick alternative to LEDs. They have all the regular rail destinations (and the bus routes) but for some reason when you select "Rail Replacement" the display they wind round to is "Rail Replacement International" or something like that, probably a typing error when they were ordered
Enviro400 Trident 611 (LJ09 CDX) has been repainted into overall dark green (like the B7RLEs), the first of the batch to be done, I believe. I'm still not convinced about the new colours, though my opinion may change when the lighter green & names, etc. are added. On a dull day, when I first saw it at distance, I thought it was a WM Platinum.
Quote from: V102MOA on April 27, 2022, 06:15:46 PMThey were made by an external company last summer and were fitted to most E400s as a cheap and quick alternative to LEDs. They have all the regular rail destinations (and the bus routes) but for some reason when you select "Rail Replacement" the display they wind round to is "Rail Replacement International" or something like that, probably a typing error when they were ordered
I would have thought these days LEDs would be cheaper than paying printers - or even the blank blinds.
Quote from: mikestone on May 09, 2022, 05:13:17 PMI would have thought these days LEDs would be cheaper than paying printers - or even the blank blinds.
GreenBus have always been a bit quirky and, I'm assuming that, the blinds fitted to these buses are to maintain their London look with New Johnstone typeface too.
Yes, there is a cost and the risk of typos on these blinds, but they do look fantastic!
Quote from: Wumpty on May 11, 2022, 09:33:38 AMGreenBus have always been a bit quirky and, I'm assuming that, the blinds fitted to these buses are to maintain their London look with New Johnstone typeface too.
Yes, there is a cost and the risk of typos on these blinds, but they do look fantastic!
Famously. Birmingham Coach Company on the 103 to Ford Dwellings!!
Quote from: fleetline6477 on May 11, 2022, 07:29:08 PMFamously. Birmingham Coach Company on the 103 to Ford Dwellings!!
I also remember Chase had a misprint on their blinds showing "Litchfield" with an erroneous 'T'!
https://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/20179420.bus-firm-aims-recruit-50-drivers-commonwealth-games
One of the ex-Lothian deckers appears to have been resprayed without the use of masking tape - and rather surprisingly its not an unattractive result!
620 to 635 have all arrived from Abellio, they are "mark 2" Enviro400s (originally Euro 5) unlike 601 to 619.
Everything that is not an E400, Gemini or B7RLE is now withdrawn from service, except for 365. This also includes 619 which is being cut up for seatbelt pull-testing following a major RTC earlier this year.
Quote from: V102MOA on August 03, 2022, 09:08:11 PM620 to 635 have all arrived from Abellio, they are "mark 2" Enviro400s (originally Euro 5) unlike 601 to 619.
Everything that is not an E400, Gemini or B7RLE is now withdrawn from service, except for 365. This also includes 619 which is being cut up for seatbelt pull-testing following a major RTC earlier this year.
Do you have a list of the acquired buses, please? Also, can anyone confirm the GB fleet numbers of the retained B7RLEs? it's tempting to assume that they have been numbered in sequence, but confirmation (or otherwise) would be appreciated, Thanks.
Quote from: tjwpsv on August 04, 2022, 07:15:16 PMDo you have a list of the acquired buses, please? Also, can anyone confirm the GB fleet numbers of the retained B7RLEs? it's tempting to assume that they have been numbered in sequence, but confirmation (or otherwise) would be appreciated, Thanks.
These are Ex NXWM 17** B7RLEs
Quote from: V102MOA on August 03, 2022, 09:08:11 PM620 to 635 have all arrived from Abellio, they are "mark 2" Enviro400s (originally Euro 5) unlike 601 to 619.
Everything that is not an E400, Gemini or B7RLE is now withdrawn from service, except for 365. This also includes 619 which is being cut up for seatbelt pull-testing following a major RTC earlier this year.
Are they all entering service in London red? If so, should they not rename as The Red Bus Company!!
Quote from: tjwpsv on August 04, 2022, 07:15:16 PMDo you have a list of the acquired buses, please? Also, can anyone confirm the GB fleet numbers of the retained B7RLEs? it's tempting to assume that they have been numbered in sequence, but confirmation (or otherwise) would be appreciated, Thanks.
This is the list of new E400s I have
620 - LJ09 OKW
621 - LJ09 OKX
622 - LJ09 OKZ
623 - LJ09 OLA
624 - LJ09 OLB
625 - LJ09 OLC
626 - LJ09 OLE
627 - LJ09 OLH
628 - LJ09 OLK
629 - LJ09 OLM
630 - LJ09 OLN
631 - LJ09 OLO
632 - LJ09 OLP
633 - LJ09 OLR
634 - LJ09 OLT
635 - LJ09 OLU
And the B7RLEs currently showing as in use are
701 - BX56 XCC
702 - BX56 XCD
703 - BX56 XCE
704 - BX56 XCF
705 - BX56 XCG
710 - BX56 XCM
714 - BX56 XCR
Thank you. :smiley:
As TGB have not been tracking on Bustimes since mid-May, can anyone advise which, if any, of this year's routes are routinely scheduled for B7RLE operation, please?
Quote from: tjwpsv on September 15, 2022, 06:54:06 PMAs TGB have not been tracking on Bustimes since mid-May, can anyone advise which, if any, of this year's routes are routinely scheduled for B7RLE operation, please?
884 and 885 are the regulars, but not every day
Volvo 710 (?) BX56 XCM seen in Manchester on Metrolink replacement:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemcniven/52291857116/
For 'Transpora group' read Manchester Bus Tours Ltd. Is this a sale or a hire, please? It is, of course, one of those painted green for intended use with TGB, as opposed to those purchased solely for resale.
QuoteVolvo 710 (?) BX56 XCM seen in Manchester on Metrolink replacement:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemcniven/52291857116/
For 'Transpora group' read Manchester Bus Tours Ltd. Is this a sale or a hire, please? It is, of course, one of those painted green for intended use with TGB, as opposed to those purchased solely for resale.
Has been sold to Transpora
They acquired 1756 aswell but that was in red now in New Livery
(126) LR52 KWZ & (127) LR52 KXE are now with E & M Horsburgh, Livingston.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/52393238403/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/52392071462/in/dateposted/
Quote from: V102MOA on August 03, 2022, 09:08:11 PM620 to 635 have all arrived from Abellio, they are "mark 2" Enviro400s (originally Euro 5) unlike 601 to 619.
Everything that is not an E400, Gemini or B7RLE is now withdrawn from service, except for 365. This also includes 619 which is being cut up for seatbelt pull-testing following a major RTC earlier this year.
Can anyone confirm which withdrawn Olympians / Tridents / B7s remain in stock, please? The PSV Circle are now showing 365 as 'gone 12/21', but we know from reliable reports on here that is not correct. They also record 635 as renumbered 619 ??
Quote from: cris 99 on September 26, 2022, 09:05:25 PMThey acquired 1756 as well but that was in red now in New Livery
Photographs online would suggest that should be 1755.
With coventry requiring buses to be zero emissions by 2025 will the green bus still operate in the area or will they gave up there school routes
Probably either buy compliant secondhand or re-engine existing ones.
QuoteProbably either buy compliant secondhand or re-engine existing ones.
You cannot 're-engine' to zero emission. It would need to be a full electric rebuild.
If the service are closed door they are may be exempt from Electric City. I haven't looked that closely, but it is no different to the coach operators that run school services into Coventry
Green Bus are apparently returning to public bus services other than schools, have got the Ward End 25 if bus times is correct. Wonder what it will use. Perhaps the bus off the 843 if a deckers possible.
25 - Ward End - Erdington – The Green Bus – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/services/25-ward-end-erdington)
Interesting since they gave up the 242 due to lack of drivers. However yes they are going to run the 25. It's a neat fit as the service operates from 10am to 2pm meaning it will likely utilise a bus otherwise on schools.
Quote from: 2206 on December 14, 2022, 11:36:58 AMGreen Bus are apparently returning to public bus services other than schools, have got the Ward End 25 if bus times is correct. Wonder what it will use. Perhaps the bus of the 843 if a deckers possible.
25 - Ward End - Erdington – The Green Bus – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/services/25-ward-end-erdington)
Deckers are possible
QuoteThey also record 635 as renumbered 619 ??
LJ09 OLU confirmed as 635.
I hold a Green Bus fleet list, and im not showing 635 LJ09 OLU
635 tracked on the 882 today.
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on December 15, 2022, 03:08:19 PMI hold a Green Bus fleet list, and im not showing 635 LJ09 OLU
See message #2444.
635 is LJ09 OLU. (Not 619 renumbered)
365 is parked in the yard at Miller Street. (Can't miss it, it's by the gates)
619 doesn't exist.
All of the services operated are public services, not school buses.*
*All services are open to the general public. However, they are not included in the nNetwork or Warwick multi operator tickets. Instead you can buy a single, return or week ticket by following the link on the website. (Single £3.60 Return £6 and week tickets £30)
Presumably that only applies to the school services, not the 25 service they will be operating from January.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 17, 2022, 06:36:06 PMPresumably that only applies to the school services, not the 25 service they will be operating from January.
Yes - this is a requirement of any operator operating tendered services to accept Network products. TFWM also set the maximum fare that can be charged (in line with NX fare structure)
25 status changed on December 16th from retained with changes to decision pending.
Perhaps as with what happened to the 242 Green Bus haven't managed to get the drivers for the service so the route has gone out on an emergency tender.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 18, 2022, 03:33:42 PMPerhaps as with what happened to the 242 Green Bus haven't managed to get the drivers for the service so the route has gone out on an emergency tender.
There's not a shortage of drivers at green bus. The 242 was taking less than £20 per day, with no funding. This is the reason it was withdrawn.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 18, 2022, 03:33:42 PMPerhaps as with what happened to the 242 Green Bus haven't managed to get the drivers for the service so the route has gone out on an emergency tender.
Looking at the timetable, it would use one bus and presumably as it only operates for five hours, just needs one driver, maybe two at most, so I doubt that's the problem.
Unless they tack the 600 on the end of it, as that one appears to still be awaiting a decision as well.
Quote from: 2206 on December 18, 2022, 02:15:29 PM25 status changed on December 16th from retained with changes to decision pending.
The following is on the TfWM website. Ridiculous from TFWM - these changes are due to take effect in a fortnight !
25 (Erdington to Ward End) has been removed from this list as its status was updated from Retained with Changes to Decision Pending on 16 December 2022. We will update on the outcome of this service as soon as possible.
Quote from: 2206 on December 18, 2022, 02:15:29 PM25 status changed on December 16th from retained with changes to decision pending.
Now showing on Diamond website with changes so it looks like Greenbus will not be the new operator after all !
Quote from: pndriver on December 18, 2022, 03:55:31 PMThere's not a shortage of drivers at green bus. The 242 was taking less than £20 per day, with no funding. This is the reason it was withdrawn.
Quote from: pndriver on December 18, 2022, 03:55:31 PMThere's not a shortage of drivers at green bus. The 242 was taking less than £20 per day, with no funding. This is the reason it was withdrawn.
Thats funny since select took on the 242 we have been taking at least 100 a day
Wonder what taking was like with Hanson's /diamond
Quote from: ntw456 on December 24, 2022, 05:02:11 PMThats funny since select took on the 242 we have been taking at least 100 a day
I think Select are operating more journeys plus passenger numbers will have increased as we've moved further away from COVID lockdowns and restrictions.
Just read they could potentially cover some NX services outside school times and have offered this to TFWM. Think this would be a good solution temporarily.
Could cover the 94 and a few others hopefully.
Am I correct in thinking 871 is a registered local bus service as the website say available to the general public. And people can therefore use these during the strikes as well?
Does this mean they accept concession passes as well? Or are there any local bus services that don't accept these?
I see from the website you can purchase a £3.60 adult single through the app?
https://mytrip.today/tickets/product-category/22b0470c-eec9-5af7-9153-cf67b8405404
Quote from: 2206 on March 21, 2023, 11:14:45 AMAm I correct in thinking 871 is a registered local bus service as the website say available to the general public. And people can therefore use these during the strikes as well?
Does this mean they accept concession passes as well? Or are there any local bus services that don't accept these?
I see from the website you can purchase a £3.60 adult single through the app?
https://mytrip.today/tickets/product-category/22b0470c-eec9-5af7-9153-cf67b8405404
It does state that ALL services are open to the general public including the 871. This applies at any time not just during the strike. (The services were closed to the general public during lockdown). As for what passes are accepted, I would suggest you contact The Green Bus for clarification.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 21, 2023, 01:01:15 PMIt does state that ALL services are open to the general public including the 871. This applies at any time not just during the strike. (The services were closed to the general public during lockdown). As for what passes are accepted, I would suggest you contact The Green Bus for clarification.
Was a nice driver. But maybe good if he does not smoke while carrying children and driving in service along Coventry Road and Muntz Street in Small Heath.
Also maybe good to cut the route into 2 separate ones some of these children are spending 2.5 hours trying to get to their destination.
Quote from: 2206 on March 21, 2023, 06:21:10 PMWas a nice driver. But maybe good if he does not to smoke while carrying children and driving in service along Coventry Road and Muntz Street in Small Heath.
Also maybe good to cut the route in 2 separate ones some of these children are spending 2.5 hours trying to get to there destination.
Smoking?
Is that not against the law and a stackable offence
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on March 21, 2023, 06:46:17 PMSmoking?
Is that not against the law and a stackable offence
Very stackable.
Does anyone know what's happened to (418) SN56 AHC, please? It's still on Tony's fleet list, but shows on the DVLA as 'untaxed' from 31May22, with a new v5 issued 12/22, suggesting to me that it may no longer be with them.
I'm assuming there's no truth in these comments? With most of their services being commercial as well, don't they have to give TFWM the standard 70 days notice when cancelling a service, especially those which run solely in the TFWM area as well?
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Quote from: 2206 on April 10, 2023, 05:07:11 PMI'm assuming there's no truth in these comments? With most of their services being commercial as well, don't they have to give TFWM the standard 70 days notice when cancelling a service, especially those which run solely in the TFWM area as well?
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I thought it was 56 days notice?
Besides, most of their services are closed-door and not available to the public anyway. Without knowing exactly which services are being withdrawn its hard to do any further digging.
What I found more interesting is that The Green Bus appear to have totally disappeared from social media - or all three of the links on their website are broken!
Quote from: Stu on April 10, 2023, 06:12:44 PMI thought it was 56 days notice?
Besides, most of their services are closed-door and not available to the public anyway. Without knowing exactly which services are being withdrawn its hard to do any further digging.
What I found more interesting is that The Green Bus appear to have totally disappeared from social media - or all three of the links on their website are broken!
TFWM says 70.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-do/bus-services/bus-service-registrations-within-the-west-midlands/#:~:text=Operators%20wishing%20to%20submit%20bus%20service%20registrations%20that,an%20account%20will%20receive%20an%20invitation%20by%20email.
They're all listed on the website as available to the public other than the 2 coventry ones. Though they charge higher fares than the standard TFWM rate. £3.60 single and £6.00 return.
And yes they disappeared from social media in the last few weeks.
Quote from: 2206 on April 10, 2023, 05:07:11 PMI'm assuming there's no truth in these comments? With most of their services being commercial as well, don't they have to give TFWM the standard 70 days notice when cancelling a service, especially those which run solely in the TFWM area as well?
Green Bus services withdrawn in Birmingham | RailUK Forums (railforums.co.uk) (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/green-bus-services-withdrawn-in-birmingham.246669/)
They had 70 days notice.
Also quite easy to work out which services have been cancelled by looking on the website :lipsrsealed:
Quote from: tjwpsv on March 22, 2023, 07:35:48 PMDoes anyone know what's happened to (418) SN56 AHC, please? It's still on Tony's fleet list, but shows on the DVLA as 'untaxed' from 31May22, with a new v5 issued 12/22, suggesting to me that it may no longer be with them.
Still in the yard at Miller Street.
Now then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
Quote from: hlliwmai on April 10, 2023, 07:11:48 PMNow then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
Selling passes for September services and out on rail replacement today. I'd highly doubt it. 6 services cancelled because of passenger loads. Caused by catchment areas. One service had 14 passengers whereas others have 80+
Let's hope not another Webberbus (ex Weston / Burnham) situation, who went bump in 2016.(The week after I was in the area!)
Quote from: hlliwmai on April 10, 2023, 07:11:48 PMNow then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
I'm sure it would be a great loss to the employees who would lose their jobs and their families though !
Quote from: metrocity on April 10, 2023, 08:04:32 PMI'm sure it would be a great loss to the employees who would lose their jobs and their families though !
Well there's always Diamond....
Quote from: hlliwmai on April 10, 2023, 07:11:48 PMNow then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
I very much hope it doesn't, but if that ever did happen I presume it'd be worthwhile other operators stepping in on some of the core network. The direct Damsonwood/Warwick Road to Camp Hill link for instance seems well used and probably an important link. And to be honest that isn't really well linked by NX without at least 2 changes or so, for those passengers it would probably be a loss to lose that route. And there are probably other examples of important links as well. maybe the fox & goose to aston/handsworth route.
It may be the services that are showing as not continuing beyond July 2023 that are stopping with immediate effect then?
TFWM have also answered my query regarding this, this morning with the following.
"Having spoken with TfWM's Bus Services team, who liaise with the region's bus companies, I can advise that we have not received any applications to terminate, suspend or alter The Green Bus company's services.
Should we receive any notices from the bus company, these will be communicated on our website with urgency."
Could be a plausible explanation they plan to actually stop running these from July 2023 rather than with immediate effect?
Quote from: hlliwmai on April 10, 2023, 07:11:48 PMNow then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
This would be a great loss to the area, if it ever were to happen. They transport hundreds of pupils to and from school each day, mainly those who travel considerable distances to attend selective schools. They run a number of swimming and sports contracts and trips for school. They make a significant contribution to Rail Replacement services. All staff would be out of work, so would represent a significant loss to the area if your prediction were ever to come true.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on April 11, 2023, 07:05:16 PMThis would be a great loss to the area, if it ever were to happen. They transport hundreds of pupils to and from school each day, mainly those who travel considerable distances to attend selective schools. They run a number of swimming and sports contracts and trips for school. They make a significant contribution to Rail Replacement services. All staff would be out of work, so would represent a significant loss to the area if your prediction were ever to come true.
Well there's always Diamond :grin:
Quote from: pndriver on April 10, 2023, 07:18:47 PMSelling passes for September services and out on rail replacement today. I'd highly doubt it. 6 services cancelled because of passenger loads. Caused by catchment areas. One service had 14 passengers whereas others have 80+
Did everyone here miss this or something? I'm sure pndriver works there.
The main cause of concern seems to be the removal of all the social media accounts.
Quote from: ellspurs on April 11, 2023, 07:40:47 PMThe main cause of concern seems to be the removal of all the social media accounts.
I believe for some reason the social media accounts were already rather inactive though, so they probably didn't have anyone managing it. And they definitely wouldn't respond to a passenger query as the NX and Diamond ones do, though they can still ask TFWM I guess.
Quote from: hlliwmai on April 10, 2023, 07:11:48 PMNow then I wonder if this means they're on the brink of collapse maybe?...I'll probably get hatred for this but it'll be no great loss if that happens...
Since they have services registered to start after the summer holidays I highly doubt they are on the brink of collapse.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on April 11, 2023, 07:47:40 PMSince they have services registered to start after the summer holidays I highly doubt they are on the brink of collapse.
As I have been dealing with them lately I am fairly confident rumours of their demise are greatly exaggerated, to quote a famous comedian. (roughly translated bullsh*t) so this subject can be finished.
Quote from: ellspurs on April 11, 2023, 07:40:47 PMDid everyone here miss this or something? I'm sure pndriver works there.
The main cause of concern seems to be the removal of all the social media accounts.
I never said it was a 'concern'. As there are people (outside of this forum) who misinterpret what I posted here, this was what I actually said:
Quote from: Stu on April 10, 2023, 06:12:44 PMWhat I found more interesting is that The Green Bus appear to have totally disappeared from social media - or all three of the links on their website are broken!
Maybe they shut down their social media accounts because they were fed up with people whining and complaining, I don't know.
But the lesson to be learned here is to be careful what you might see posted on other forums or elsewhere, especially if it is unsubstantiated or unverifiable.
SN55BNY in tudor grange rear car park at 11AM.
SN56AET was on the coach stand a short distance away.
Been in Birmingham yesterday and today and popped via Miller Street to see what's occurring.
Just a handful of training buses at NX, but 4 of the Greenbus fleet parked on the double yellows outside and one in the neighbouring street at the rear.
Is this because of a shortage of space in the yard or are they awaiting further use? The 4+1 buses hadn't moved since yesterday.
As part of further service cuts to Green Bus services following those a few weeks ago. Green Bus have informed Camp Hill Schools that they intend to cease operation of the 871 service due to low usage. Students have been advised that the 11A/C and 76 services cover much of this route and to use these routes instead from September 2023 and as Green Bus do not participate in the N Bus scheme this will see passengers save up to £600 year on year. And to contact Transport For West Midlands for more information and any further enquiries.
A final decision on service cuts to be made on Friday 21st July.
Quote from: toomas2212 on August 01, 2023, 11:45:25 AMFollowing on from what some people have said already, I can now confirm Greenbus is no more
So all services have finished with immediate effect then? If so hopefully TFWM can put up a service notice on the website to, for the people who used green bus.
Quote from: toomas2212 on August 01, 2023, 11:45:25 AMFollowing on from what some people have said already, I can now confirm Greenbus is no more
For those that can't work it out, this is also why Birmingham busworks latest post is advertising over 50 buses available, this is old Greenbus vehicles a lot of which have already had interest before being out up officially for sale
They've gone bust?
The meeting was literally half hour ago give them chance :angry: :angry:
Quote from: toomas2212 on August 01, 2023, 11:45:25 AMFollowing on from what some people have said already, I can now confirm Greenbus is no more
For those that can't work it out, this is also why Birmingham busworks latest post is advertising over 50 buses available, this is old Greenbus vehicles a lot of which have already had interest before being out up officially for sale
RIP Greenbus, never used them but i could tell they were a decent operator from some of the comments on this thread, especially in the 2010s with their diverse fleet
I work at The Green Bus, this is not the case at all. Birmingham Busworks is expanding in size, The Green Bus is reducing in size.
The managing Director of The Green Bus has just spoken to me on the phone to confirm what PN driver has just posted that
The Green Bus is reducing in size, but is not closing.
Birmingham Busworks is expanding with them expecting to do a lot of sales of second hand vehicles
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2023, 12:42:39 PMThe managing Director of The Green Bus has just spoken to me on the phone to confirm what PN driver has just posted that
The Green Bus is reducing in size, but is not closing.
Birmingham Busworks is expanding with them expecting to do a lot of sales of second hand vehicles
Just a simple case of diversifying and adapting to the changing face of the bus industry. As the bus operation is reducing, it is simply drawing on its years of engineering and sales experience to provide a different offering.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people jump to the absolutely wrong conclusions just because an operator is selling vehicles - something it's been doing for a good 10 years!
Which buses from the green bus are for sale
All the Gemini's most have already left
Quote from: Solo1 on August 01, 2023, 03:28:12 PMWhich buses from the green bus are for sale
Shop Archive - Birmingham Busworks (thebusworks.co.uk) (https://thebusworks.co.uk/shop/)
This is the link to sales - only shows the ex NXWM B7RLEs, though there are others for sale upon enquiry.
All of the social media accounts for The Green Bus have disappeared...Although according to Companies House, the company is still active.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 26, 2023, 03:39:02 PMAll of the social media accounts for The Green Bus have disappeared...Although according to Companies House, the company is still active.
They've been gone since February
There's people asking about school runs
Have the green bus not told anybody that there downsizing
The green bus has just informed there customers today that they are withdrawing there school routes and refunding there customers that bought a bus pass
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on August 26, 2023, 04:29:26 PMThere's people asking about school runs
Have the green bus not told anybody that there downsizing
The website has had all services removed.
Looks like they've gone from local bus work completely now.
Bus Services Running from 2023/24 - The Green Bus - Safe, reliable and affordable buses for your family. (https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/school-routes/bus-services/)
Quote from: HARVEYCLLEE on August 26, 2023, 05:17:23 PMThe green bus has just informed there customers today that they are withdrawing there school routes and refunding there customers that bought a bus pass
A bit last minute to be doing that, be interesting to see who will operate the routes now
Quote from: Lukeee on August 26, 2023, 09:18:15 PMA bit last minute to be doing that, be interesting to see who will operate the routes now
Warwickshires school routes will probably be awarded to stagecoach or another Warwickshire based company
The remaining west midlands ones at least were comercially operated. I expect those probably will not be replaced. They'll have to use existing NX/Diamond services instead I imagine.
They'd already scrapped several mostly West Midlands routes earlier this year.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2023, 09:23:01 PMThe remaining west midlands ones at least were comercially operated. I expect those probably will not be replaced. They'll have to use existing NX/Diamond services instead I imagine.
They'd already scrapped several mostly West Midlands routes earlier this year.
Apparently they had an operator that bidded for the west midlands ones but they withdrew there offer on Thursday
Quote from: HARVEYCLLEE on August 26, 2023, 10:37:15 PMApparently they had an operator that bidded for the west midlands ones but they withdrew there offer on Thursday
Seen a letter from Green Bus which says:
"We spent August 2023 to try to place our services with another bus operator. After lengthy negotiations we came to an agreement with a large firm earlier this week. They would have operated services on our behalf. Sadly they withdrew from the agreement on Thursday morning. We now have no choice but to withdraw our services".
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2023, 08:58:49 PMThe website has had all services removed.
Looks like they've gone from local bus work completely now.
Bus Services Running from 2023/24 - The Green Bus - Safe, reliable and affordable buses for your family. (https://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/school-routes/bus-services/)
Just noting that these services were showing on there when I read this topic yesterday and looked at their website, so they've been removed at some point between 3pm and 9pm on Saturday.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2023, 10:51:01 PMSeen a letter from Green Bus which says:
"We spent August 2023 to try to place our services with another bus operator. After lengthy negotiations we came to an agreement with a large firm earlier this week. They would have operated services on our behalf. Sadly they withdrew from the agreement on Thursday morning. We now have no choice but to withdraw our services".
Hopefully the large firm concerned will instead concentrate on reliably running the services they already have!
Quote from: Straightlines on August 27, 2023, 11:54:20 AMHopefully the large firm concerned will instead concentrate on reliably running the services they already have!
They currently don't run any stage carriage work
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/green-bus-scraps-school-services-27603862
Someone's working at the papers on a Sunday.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 27, 2023, 05:56:21 PMhttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/green-bus-scraps-school-services-27603862
Someone's working at the papers on a Sunday.
Camp Hill, Aston and Handsworth are well served by NX bus already and a lot of children already use the NX Bus which is about £600 cheaper and Stratford is on the Snow Hill Lines.
The majority of comments I have seen, seem to refer to the service between Alcester School and The Maypole and inparticular the rather limited service on the 150 in the morning peak.
I would be interested to hear from anyone else who used the 502 service, with regards to how well used it was?
Quote from: Tony on August 27, 2023, 03:25:30 PMThey currently don't run any stage carriage work
Was this company Johnson's as I heard a rumour about them taking over Alcester schools services. May not be accurate of course though!
Another question about this. Are Green Bus giving up all other operations, such as private hire and rail replacement work? I believe that Birmingham Busworks is continuing?
Quote from: Justin Tyme on August 28, 2023, 10:58:42 AMAnother question about this. Are Green Bus giving up all other operations, such as private hire and rail replacement work? I believe that Birmingham Busworks is continuing?
The Gov.uk website shows operator licences PD1090982 The Green Bus Company Limited & PD1050400 The Green Transport Company Limited 'Surrender under consideration', suggesting that
all operations have ceased. Reports suggest that Birmingham Busworks will continue in business.
Thoughts and best wishes to all those staff who have lost their jobs. As an enthusiast and a private hire user, I always found the staff to be very friendly and helpful.
Quote from: tjwpsv on August 28, 2023, 10:45:44 PMThe Gov.uk website shows operator licences PD1090982 The Green Bus Company Limited & PD1050400 The Green Transport Company Limited 'Surrender under consideration', suggesting that all operations have ceased. Reports suggest that Birmingham Busworks will continue in business.
Thoughts and best wishes to all those staff who have lost their jobs. As an enthusiast and a private hire user, I always found the staff to be very friendly and helpful.
Thank you. I agree with you about the staff who have lost their jobs.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on August 26, 2023, 09:19:19 PMWarwickshires school routes will probably be awarded to stagecoach or another Warwickshire based company
Looks like Ridleys may partially replace them. They seem to also have new Warwickshire closed door school services starting RID 12 and RID 13. In addition to what they already operate.
Timetables – Ridleys Coaches (https://www.ridleyscoaches.co.uk/timetables)
Diamond Buses also running the 502 Kings Heath to Alcester.
https://www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/ww/ww-502-alcester-sch/
Quote from: 2206 on August 30, 2023, 01:30:44 AMLooks like Ridleys may partially replace them. They seem to also have new Warwickshire closed door school services starting RID 12 and RID 13. In addition to what they already operate.
Timetables – Ridleys Coaches (https://www.ridleyscoaches.co.uk/timetables)
Diamond Buses also running the 502 Kings Heath to Alcester.
https://www.diamondbuses.com/bus-services/ww/ww-502-alcester-sch/
Yes, Ridleys have taken on some work, and looking at their Facebook page they have had a manic week (and Bank Holiday weekend) dealing with it all.
Diamond have also extended a 247A Alcester schools journey to start from Alvechurch.
Well done to both operators for stepping in a short notice.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on September 02, 2023, 09:21:55 PMYes, Ridleys have taken on some work, and looking at their Facebook page they have had a manic week (and Bank Holiday weekend) dealing with it all.
Diamond have also extended a 247A Alcester schools journey to start from Alvechurch.
Well done to both operators for stepping in a short notice.
If Green Bus could not make them pay how will Ridley's and Diamond ?
Quote from: igogeneral on September 02, 2023, 09:53:39 PMIf Green Bus could not make them pay how will Ridley's and Diamond ?
Possibly combining the route journeys with other operations so to minimise wastage. Like with the 247. Green Bus must have suffered a lot of dead milage not having other routes the vehicles could run on during the day. Maybe these companies will be better placed to minimise these additional costs.
I think green bus used to park up in alcester or somewhere by there as cheaper to park up than run back to depot unless they also done private hire for schools there
Quote from: Justin Tyme on September 02, 2023, 09:21:55 PMYes, Ridleys have taken on some work, and looking at their Facebook page they have had a manic week (and Bank Holiday weekend) dealing with it all.
Diamond have also extended a 247A Alcester schools journey to start from Alvechurch.
Well done to both operators for stepping in a short notice.
Diamond will also start operating the 502 Kings Heath - Alcester Schools.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 03, 2023, 08:56:43 AMI think green bus used to park up in alcester or somewhere by there as cheaper to park up than run back to depot unless they also done private hire for schools there
Yes , in the car park of Alcester Rugby Club along side the main A435 , as many as eight d/d's if my memory is correct.
Quote from: igogeneral on September 02, 2023, 09:53:39 PMIf Green Bus could not make them pay how will Ridley's and Diamond ?
Green Bus stated their routes were unviable due to the insurance premiums going up. Everyones insurance will cost different so even if everyone had the exact same costs for drivers wage, general operations etc, the insurance cost could be what sways things.
What I don't understand though is why aren't the schools and councils trying to put more kids onto the local bus network. Would save everyone significant sums of money.
Quote from: IMarkeh on September 04, 2023, 08:42:46 PMWhat I don't understand though is why aren't the schools and councils trying to put more kids onto the local bus network. Would save everyone significant sums of money.
Whilst operators are prepared to provide tailored and direct bus travel at little expense to the local authority, as Green Bus did on a commercial basis, then there's no need to. Local authority had little/no outlay, piggyback off operator's marketing and take the credit for a "partnership" that looks good to the tax paying public.
What I don't understand is street will bail out NXWM but he won't help green bus, double standards or what
Quote from: woody38 on September 05, 2023, 07:22:19 AMWhat I don't understand is street will bail out NXWM but he won't help green bus, double standards or what
Totally different, Green Bus are quite happy just running Birmingham Busworks, and didn't ask for money to keep running their services
Quote from: woody38 on September 05, 2023, 07:22:19 AMWhat I don't understand is street will bail out NXWM but he won't help green bus, double standards or what
How exactly did Andy Street bail out NXWM
@woody38 ?
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@Tony has eluded, NXWM (or any large bus company) provide the backbone of the region's bus operation, majority of it commercially. The Green Bus business model was effectively as near to 'door to door' school transport on commercially operated, tailored routes plotted from the passenger base that predominantly bought their travel passes.
What *I* don't understand is why some folk are getting themselves all worked up over a commercial business decision made by a private company, to close a business down. It happens everyday all over the world. What Green Bus attempted to do (after exhausting all other possibilities), was to arrange alternative cover out of courtesy. Nowt more.
Parents of students affected at the Birmingham King Edward schools (Camp Hill, Five Ways etc.) have received information suggesting that Endeavour coaches are looking at running services to replace the withdrawn Green Bus services. They are currently looking at the commercial viability of such routes so this is certainly something to look out for.
This morning the former Green Bus 501 service to Alcester Schools was operated by Royal Motorways using their longest, and presumably highest capacity, coach SW09 UMD. This vehicle is a 15m Volvo B12BT with Plaxton Panther bodywork and was new in 2009 to Trathens, Plymouth as KSK 949.
Quote from: bususer28 on September 06, 2023, 02:09:31 PMParents of students affected at the Birmingham King Edward schools (Camp Hill, Five Ways etc.) have received information suggesting that Endeavour coaches are looking at running services to replace the withdrawn Green Bus services. They are currently looking at the commercial viability of such routes so this is certainly something to look out for.
Would be surprised if anything replaces the 871. 35, 11a/c and 76 seem to good enough job servicing it and the term started today to.
3 Ridley d/d's at AGS just before 15.00 this afternoon.
Let's hope they pay them back
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/bus-company-axed-fails-give-27797322?utm_source=coventry_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on October 10, 2023, 09:08:42 AMLet's hope they pay them back
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/bus-company-axed-fails-give-27797322?utm_source=coventry_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email
Points to make:
1. The company didn't go bust, it was a business decision to close.
2. That story is just a repeat of a story run weeks ago.
3. Parents have and are being refunded but it's a massive and tedious job.
If they didn't go bust then they should be chasing the paper to print a retraction
107 T201CLO is for sale on Routeone trader, open to sensible offers.
Quote from: Mayfield on October 31, 2023, 09:02:44 PM107 T201CLO is for sale on Routeone trader, open to sensible offers.
Sold the same day
Noticed an UID Gemini heading south on the M5 in Gloucestershire this afternoon in the two tone green colours devoid of fleet names, could have just been a local operator who hasn't bothered to put fleet names on it or could it be on delivery from Green bus/ Birmingham coach works
Quote from: Mayfield on July 03, 2024, 07:29:57 PMNoticed an UID Gemini heading south on the M5 in Gloucestershire this afternoon in the two tone green colours devoid of fleet names, could have just been a local operator who hasn't bothered to put fleet names on it or could it be on delivery from Green bus/ Birmingham coach works
John Dix. They have 405 and 416. The other 2 that were in that livery are now painted. One painted white with Bill's minibuses and one cream and blue with Fourways Coaches.