I've thought about withdrawing the 4 and upping the frequency of the 4H/M. The 4 has always seemed a pretty pointless route to me.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on November 30, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
I've thought about withdrawing the 4 and upping the frequency of the 4H/M. The 4 has always seemed a pretty pointless route to me.
How about extending the 4 to Hayley Green replacing the 4H and then increase the frequency based on the loss of the 4H. That makes much more sense to me.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 30, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
How about extending the 4 to Hayley Green replacing the 4H and then increase the frequency based on the loss of the 4H. That makes much more sense to me.
That makes no sense at all
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on November 30, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
I've thought about withdrawing the 4 and upping the frequency of the 4H/M. The 4 has always seemed a pretty pointless route to me.
The 4 provides a 6-7 minute service between Walsall and Blackheath combined with the 4H and 4M, if the 4 was withdrawn then the 4H and 4M would have to be increased and that would be a waste of money and it would lose money.
The 4H is one service Diamond Bus do well I use it 7 days a week 364 days a year. I have lived on the route in Coombes Wood long enough to know it as Midland Red 217, WMPTE 417, Midland Red West 233 and the utterly pathetic useless LUDLOWS 417. The NXWM service is an utter shambles with drivers not knowing the route, what a Sandwell & Dudley Daysaver is & do not ever think of asking for any N bus tickets the service operated by NXWM is laughable for all Diamond Bus many faults the service they operate is the best I have known in 51 years of living on Gorsty Hill you cannot trust NXWM in Blackheath look at the recent cuts to the longstanding 127 now 13A & the shambles they have made of the 140 & yes I work in Birmingham as far as I am concerned there is no need for an expansion of the 4H by them they cannot get 3 buses per hour right so who wants more from them?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on November 30, 2019, 08:17:52 PM
The 4H is one service Diamond Bus do well I use it 7 days a week 364 days a year. I have lived on the route in Coombes Wood long enough to know it as Midland Red 217, WMPTE 417, Midland Red West 233 and the utterly pathetic useless LUDLOWS 417. The NXWM service is an utter shambles with drivers not knowing the route, what a Sandwell & Dudley Daysaver is & do not ever think of asking for any N bus tickets the service operated by NXWM is laughable for all Diamond Bus many faults the service they operate is the best I have known in 51 years of living on Gorsty Hill you cannot trust NXWM in Blackheath look at the recent cuts to the longstanding 127 now 13A & the shambles they have made of the 140 & yes I work in Birmingham as far as I am concerned there is no need for an expansion of the 4H by them they cannot get 3 buses per hour right so who wants more from them?
Looks like you're not a fan of NXWM.
Tony no wonder the X8 is such a shambles for NXWM the security question I have been asked to complete on the forum would only accept 126 as the answer for the question what bus runs from Wolverhampton to Birmingham after 13 months of the utter hopelessness of the X8 funny that.........
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 30, 2019, 08:31:30 PM
Looks like you're not a fan of NXWM.
It's not me being a fan of any bus operator I am commenting on
me using the 4H 13A & X8 most days and what I experience you wouldn't have had to post that comment in early 2017 as I would not have criticized NXWM about the 127 or 140 or half hourly NXWM 4H but times change sadly not for the better if you use NXWM in Blackheath
Quote from: richardjones210368 on November 30, 2019, 08:59:04 PM
It's not me being a fan of any bus operator I am commenting on
me using the 4H 13A & X8 most days and what I experience if you had posted that comment in early 2017 I would have not have criticised NXWM about the 127 or 140 or half hourly NXWM 4H but times change sadly not for the better if you use NXWM in Blackheath
How bad is it?
Numerous mornings I get 2 X8's at 6.48 in the morning or none at all so thankfully there is the 13A to fall back on. I cannot remember the last time I got the X8 back to Blackheath from Colmore Row the 13A always arrives first and usually on time. I met some mates at The Stag and one night the last X8 was 90mins late the old 140 was a good service with old buses the X8 is a very bad service with posh buses but that's life NXWM seem to think they know best!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 30, 2019, 08:09:15 PM
The 4 provides a 6-7 minute service between Walsall and Blackheath combined with the 4H and 4M, if the 4 was withdrawn then the 4H and 4M would have to be increased and that would be a waste of money and it would lose money.
But I don't see why Blackheath needs a 6 min frequency. If the 4 was withdrawn, the vehicles from that could be redeployed and increase the frequency of the 4H/M and provide more services to Merry Hill/Halesowen & Hayley Green.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on November 30, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
But I don't see why Blackheath needs a 6 min frequency. If the 4 was withdrawn, the vehicles from that could be redeployed and increase the frequency of the 4H/M and provide more services to Merry Hill/Halesowen & Hayley Green.
Walsall to Blackheath is the main part of the corridor, as it always has been, Blackheath to Merry Hill/Hayley Green are essentially extensions
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 30, 2019, 11:46:49 PM
Walsall to Blackheath is the main part of the corridor, as it always has been, Blackheath to Merry Hill/Hayley Green are essentially extensions
It certainly has NOT always been so with the 4H. Walsall to Blackheath as a thru service began on 26th October 1986 as 404 previously the service was the 415 from Cradley Health & 417 from Halesowen to West Bromwich only which had previously been cut earlier from Hayley Green. Before 1976 it was the 217 from Hayley Green to Oldbury & 15 from Oldbury to West Bromwich. The section of route from Halesowen to Blackheath in 1986 became Midland Red West 233 later Ludlows 417. The section of route from Blackheath to Hayley Green known as 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a direct replacement for Ludlows later Diamond Bus 417 which was joined with short workings of Diamond Bus 404E to create the 4H. For many years after 1986 West Midlands Travel failed to serve Gorsty Hill & Coombes Wood. The 4 is the successor to 404 while the 4H is the successor to the 417 & 404E The 4H is NOT an extension of the 4 but a direct successor of the Diamond Bus 417 & 404E the 4M yes is an extention of what was the 404 as 404M.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 05:31:17 AM
It certainly has NOT always been so with the 4H. Walsall to Blackheath as a thru service began on 26th October 1986 as 404 previously the service was the 415 from Cradley Health & 417 from Halesowen to West Bromwich only which had previously been cut earlier from Hayley Green. Before 1976 it was the 217 from Hayley Green to Oldbury & 15 from Oldbury to West Bromwich. The section of route from Halesowen to Blackheath in 1986 became Midland Red West 233 later Ludlows 417. The section of route from Blackheath to Hayley Green known as 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a direct replacement for Ludlows later Diamond Bus 417 which was joined with short workings of Diamond Bus 404E to create the 4H. For many years after 1986 West Midlands Travel failed to serve Gorsty Hill & Coombes Wood. The 4 is the successor to 404 while the 4H is the successor to the 417 & 404E The 4H is NOT an extension of the 4 but a direct successor of the Diamond Bus 417 & 404E the 4M yes is an extention of what was the 404 as 404M.
The current 4H replaced the 244 between Halesowen & Hayley Green.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on December 01, 2019, 09:32:50 AM
The current 4H replaced the 244 between Halesowen & Hayley Green.
My post refers to the MAIN Diamond 4H service which operates 7 days a week over it's full length unlike the less regular 4H which you refer to that follows a different route between Hayley Green & Blackheath by the hapless NXWM. The Hasbury loop of NXWM has been everything from 234/5 to a 205 to 445 to 218 & 131/2 to more recently 241 & 19 then 244 amongst others as NXWM can never make up it's mind the Diamond 4H is unchanged since it commenced as Ludlows 417 and did not replace the 244 that is a different route.
Don't forget the late night 609 service that west brom used to run around hasbury
Quote from: karl724223 on December 01, 2019, 01:27:59 PM
Don't forget the late night 609 service that west brom used to run around hasbury
And the 619 daytime variation.
404M? I think people mean the 404A... the old 404A was Walsall to Cradley Heath... and the 404H? Was a weekends only extension to Merry Hill.
'Essential extensions', the 4M is the most quickest route to Merry Hill from Blackheath, granted the 3 is similar timing, but it feels longer as soon as it goes through Brickhouse... then there's the 14A and 24 which essentially go all round the wrekin before reaching Merry Hill... if anything Blackheath to Merry Hill section of the 4M is just as important as the Blackheath to Walsall section.
Withdrawing the 4 wouldn't work at all, the combined frequency works out great, with the Diamond 4H compensating... hazards a guess if Diamond would extend the 4 to Blackheath and reintroduce the 4M?
404A & 404H were again Travel West Midlands services I was referring to the Black Diamond 404M & yes along with services 609 and 619 there was the infamous 417E ghostbus and the weekend only Diamond 9A bringing even more variety to the Hasbury loop, strangely enough the 217 Merry Hill to West Bromwich was the first Birmingham Coach Company service to serve Blackheath on tender and after being registered commercially met competition from a WMT 217 from Blackheath to Merry Hill and later a 317 eventually the 217 was withdrawn Diamond Bus have since tried a 404M and 4M none of which succeeded at all. Travel Merry Hill, Central Connect/Blue Diamond at times held the 123 contract from Blackheath to Merry Hill along with Petes Travel albeit via Perry Park not Powke Lane after the commercial withdrawal of the Midland Red West later Birmingham Coach Company 123. I can only ever see another Diamond 4M under a West Midlands Bus Alliance agreement.
@richardjones210368 - Can you please take more care when 'quoting' other peoples posts
How to quote here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2781.0
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
My post refers to the MAIN Diamond 4H service which operates 7 days a week over it's full length unlike the less regular 4H which you refer to that follows a different route between Hayley Green & Blackheath by the hapless NXWM. The Hasbury loop of NXWM has been everything from 234/5 to a 205 to 445 to 218 & 131/2 to more recently 241 & 19 then 244 amongst others as NXWM can never make up it's mind the Diamond 4H is unchanged since it commenced as Ludlows 417 and did not replace the 244 that is a different route.
100% agree diamond do a much better job on the 4H than nx. However there performance is far from perfect on peak times. Often running 30-45 mins late of an evening. And the Sunday service is horrifically unreliable. On Saturdays you can pretty much guarantee every service will run on time
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 01, 2019, 06:41:30 PM
100% agree diamond do a much better job on the 4H than nx. However there performance is far from perfect on peak times. Often running 30-45 mins late of an evening. And the Sunday service is horrifically unreliable. On Saturdays you can pretty much guarantee every service will run on time
First off all please accept my full apologies as a new poster I am finding it hard how to quote and reply and it's very much trial and error working out how to do it just think of me as the Little Red Bus of the forum at present but many apologies. Yes I fully agree with you the 4H is at times a challenge to keep running due to conditions beyond Diamonds control however it is a plus for Diamond that they often have a Dart parked up by Cheswicks in the bus stand in Blackheath to try and restore some frequency on the Halesowen section this is the opposite of NXWM on the 4H as i saw a recent 4H terminate in Halesowen Bus Station & Leave picking up no passengers leaving those with NXWM tickets stranded the whole attitude of NXWM to the 4H leaves at lot to be desired. As for the Sunday service I put with the erroneous timetable as an accountant I fully understand the cost implications of a Sunday bus service for Coombes Wood with such tight margins the slightest disruption can cause major delays but I would rather wait and wait for the bus operated by Diamond on a Sunday or have no bus at all when the service was operated by the useless Ludlows.
As a new poster if the moderator is not happy about my posts and to post here is more difficult than how we post info to HMRC on our AAM & thats hard enough its just whilst we are in PURDAH. I thought you mightt enjoy an insiders view on West Midlands bus scene I just thought for once I would pass on my own comments on the bus world of Blackheath I fully enjoy this forum I will happily disengage for the forum as I will have to do on 13th December anyway I just thought I could after 50 years of using buses in Blackheath bring a little local insight to the forum many apologies to other forum members if you disagree SORRY
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
As a new poster if the moderator is not happy about my posts and to post here is more difficult than how we post info to HMRC on our AAM & thats hard enough its just whilst we are in PURDAH. I just thought for once I would pass on my comments on the bus world of Blackheath I fully enjoy this forum I will happily disengage for the forum as I will have to do on 13th December anyway I just thought I could after 50 years of using buses in Blackheath bring a little local insight to the forum many apologies to other forum members if you disagree SORRY
No problem with your postings, Winston was just showing how to quote as it makes posts quite difficult to read, but please carry on
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2019, 07:27:21 PM
No problem with your postings, Winston was just showing how to quote as it makes posts quite difficult to read, but please carry on
Ahh Winston say no more now that takes me back I didn't realise that in my long life however from my brief postings on this excellent forum I think it's plain to see no one knows our great bus service in Blackheath like me anyway no probs I will delete my account no worries before I go can I wish you all a very Merry Christmas & wish the forum best wishes for the future your forum is as the great philosopher Tina Turner would say SIMPLY THE BEST☺
Cannot find how to delete my account as an newbee "Winstons" tone and attitude is not to someone of my standings with TfWM, , WMCA, Rotala or FirstGroup I am all for guidance and help in a private email capacity but will not tolerate comments made public so please ask the moderator to delete my account and good luck and best wishes for the future on all on this excellent forum.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 09:41:03 PM
Cannot find how to delete my account so please ask the moderator to do so and good luck and best wishes for the future on all on this excellent forum.
Why are you leaving as soon as you've joined? I only asked you take care when quoting & sent you link to show you how to quote:
Seems a little dramatic...
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2019, 10:00:32 PM
Why are you leaving as soon as you've joined? I haveonly asked you take care when quoting & sent you link to show you how to quote:
Seems a little dramatic...
I am not "dramatic" as you would put it but the upmost professional when working as a bus champion amongst other thing for WMCA, whilst we are in purdah I foolishy felt I could add a bit of insight of Blackheath buses to this excellent site for a short time without BELITTLEMENT, sadly my understanding of how to post was limited oh for a Commodore 64 however I think the detail of my knowledge in my posts speak for themselves please feel free to ask any SENIOR management at WMTLTD, Diamond or TfWM who will assure you I am not a "dramatic" person in any means but do not tolerate fools but I am always the ultimate professional working alongside the stakeholders to achieve a bus service achieve the best bus service for all in the West Midlands.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
I am not "dramatic" as you would put it but the upmost professional when working as a bus champion amongst other thing for WMCA, whilst we are in purdah I foolishy felt I could add a bit of insight of Blackheath buses to this excellent site for a short time without BELITTLEMENT, sadly my understanding of how to post was limited oh for a Commodore 64 however I think the detail of my knowledge in my posts speak for themselves please feel free to ask any SENIOR management at WMTLTD, Diamond or TfWM who will assure you I am not a "dramatic" person in any means but do not tolerate fools but I am always the ultimate professional working alongside the stakeholders to achieve a bus service achieve for all in the West Midlands.
You're blowing it completely out of proportion, if you were struggling, is all you needed to do was ask, a thread already existed explaining how to quote. There's no fools here.
As regards being the "ultimate professional", some of your comments regarding operators don't come across very professional.
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2019, 11:08:31 PM
You're blowing it completely out of proportion, if you were struggling, is all you needed to do was ask, a thread already existed explaining how to quote. There's no fools here.
As regards being the "ultimate professional", some of your comments regarding operators don't come across very professional.
I use the phrase ultimate professional in my work no one anyone you ask could deny that as for the operators Ludlows has this rose tinited reflection if you lived on Gorsty Hill and had to use them historically you would know how awful an operator they were the last bus from West Brom was 1715 what use was that and a different fare structure from Blackheath to Halesowen no 32p on Ludlows as for NXWM if like me you are waiting for the 0648 X8 and it doesn't arrive the old 140 never missed what would your opinion of NXWM be & coming home from Colmore Row and waiting for a non exisitant X8 to appear to go home this on top of the 13A which I usually have to get has been reduced in frequency compared with the old 127. I respect the operators when they respect the passengers which is something NXWM does not do in Blackheath at present until you have to use the service level provided at present take my advice GROW UP & listen to someone who uses buses in Blackheath 7days a week 364 days a year the only operator to respect at present is Diamond, Winston its SIMPLES......
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 11:38:16 PM
I use the phrase ultimate professional in my work no one anyone you ask could deny that as for the operators Ludlows has this rose tinited reflection if you lived on Gorsty Hill and had to use them historically you would know how awful an operator they t the last bus from West Brom was 1715 what use was that and a different fare structure from Blackheath to Halesowen no 32p on Ludlows as for NXWM if like me you are waiting for the 0648 X8 and it doesn't arrive the old 140 never missed what would your opinion of NXWM be & coming home from Colmore Row and waiting for a non exisitant X8 to appear to go home this on top of the 13A which I usually have to get has been reduced in frequency compared with the old 127. I respect the operators when they respect the passengers which is something NXWM does not do in Blackheath at present until you have to use the service level provided at present take my advice GROW UP & listen to someone who uses buses in Blackheath 7days a week 364 days a year the only operator to respect at present is Diamond, Winston its SIMPLES......
It's always the new members that come on all full of themselves..... There's only one thing that's SIMPLES.
Ludlow's are not a operator I would call "Utterly Useless" & you're basing you're statements on operators using just only a handful of their services, how narrow minded is that. There's a much bigger world beyond Gorsty Hill & Blackheath.
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2019, 11:50:09 PM
It's always the new members that come on all full of themselves..... There's only one thing that's SIMPLES.
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Ludlow's are not a operator I would call "Utterly Useless" & you're basing you're statements on operators using just only a handful of their services, how narrow minded is that. There's a much bigger workd beyond Gorsty Hill & Blackheath.
You are so funny have you ever waited 2 hours in Bromsgrove waiting for a 007 or 202 that never appeared or gone for a 006 on the Dunstall estate and it's not turned up or thier 192 tender that never got to Kiddeminster or the missing 230 when your off to the baths at Haden Hill or the 002 that never came at Bartley Green Memorial do NOT lecture me on the pathetic excuse of a bus company that was LUDLOWS I used thier services most days DID YOU?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 05:31:17 AM
It certainly has NOT always been so with the 4H. Walsall to Blackheath as a thru service began on 26th October 1986 as 404 previously the service was the 415 from Cradley Health & 417 from Halesowen to West Bromwich only which had previously been cut earlier from Hayley Green. Before 1976 it was the 217 from Hayley Green to Oldbury & 15 from Oldbury to West Bromwich. The section of route from Halesowen to Blackheath in 1986 became Midland Red West 233 later Ludlows 417. The section of route from Blackheath to Hayley Green known as 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a direct replacement for Ludlows later Diamond Bus 417 which was joined with short workings of Diamond Bus 404E to create the 4H. For many years after 1986 West Midlands Travel failed to serve Gorsty Hill & Coombes Wood. The 4 is the successor to 404 while the 4H is the successor to the 417 & 404E The 4H is NOT an extension of the 4 but a direct successor of the Diamond Bus 417 & 404E the 4M yes is an extention of what was the 404 as 404M.
Obviously I didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.
The 4H is an extension of the normal 4 between Blackheath and Hayley Green, a service between Walsall and Hayley Green never previously existed
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
You are so funny have you ever waited 2 hours in Bromsgrove waiting for a 007 or 202 that never appeared or gone for a 006 on the Dunstall estate and it's not turned up or thier 192 tender that never got to Kiddeminster or the missing 230 when your off to baths at Haden Hill or the 002 that never came at Bartley Green Memorial do NOT lecture me on the pathetic excuse of a bus company that was LUDLOWS I used thier services most days DID YOU?
It's called 'Hasbury' not Dunstall estate, and funny you should mention that, Fyi - I grew up on that estate, lived there years and used Ludlows & other operators frequently and didn't experience all the problems you did, you must just be unlucky. Ludlow's were certainly not an operator I'd refer to a being pathetic, neither have I ever heard anyone share your feelings.
Winston if you were really did grow up in Halesowen & Rowley it was always called the Dunstall estate & I went to Halesowen College with mates off the DUNSTALL estate perhaps its a generational thing I started work in 1996 & you could not depend on Ludlows buses they were hopeless I had to use them because of medical reasons I can't drive. If I repeated to my mates all from Halesowen & Rowley their views on Ludlows they would all say the same they were USELESS I am 51 & had to use them for work if you cannot argue your point by calling a respected and TfWM bus champion as "simples" without keeping your points to bus-related topics then as I pointed out in an earlier post GROW UP and keep your comments constructive at least in order to retain a modicum of respect blatant insults are so unbecoming when you are dealing with is someone who does not drive and has used the local bus network for 50 years ok Winston bring it on..........
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 12:20:04 AM
Oh & Winston if you cannot argue your point by calling a respected and TfWM bus champion as "simples" without keeping your points to bus-related topics then as I pointed out in an earlier post GROW UP and keep your comments constructive at least in order to retain a modicum of respect blatant insults are so unbecoming when you are dealing with is someone who does not drive and has used the local bus network for 50 years ok Winston bring it on..........
Lol - I'll think you'll find my responses are all very bus related. As for 'respect' it works both ways.
I fully agree Winston as moderator please delete my account as my comments and knowledge of the bus services in Halesowen & Rowley is not to your personal perceptions it is so sad when you have to result to such derogatory insults when someone comes along with.such detailed knowledge of Halesowen & Rowley bus services to aid the site and you are unable to accept it please accept my apologies to all posters during purgatory I was only hoping to put a Blackheath perspective on the site as a TfWM Sandwell Bus Champion. SORRY & HAPPY CHRISTMAS
Obviously I didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.
The 4H is an extension of the normal 4 between Blackheath and Hayley Green, a service between Walsall and Hayley Green never previously existed
R
You are wrong the 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a merger of the Diamond Bus 404E and 417 please feel free to correct me if you feel I am wrong I do agree however it created a thru service from Walsall to Hayley Green.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 01:45:52 AM
Obviously I didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.
The 4H is an extension of the normal 4 between Blackheath and Hayley Green, a service between Walsall and Hayley Green never previously existed
R
You are wrong the 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a merger of the Diamond Bus 404E and 417 please feel free to correct me if you feel I am wrong I do agree however it created a thru service from Walsall to Hayley Green.
So what would you do with the Walsall-Blackheath corridor?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 06:54:42 AM
So what would you do with the Walsall-Blackheath corridor?
The corridor is currently a sound financial model with two operators both running high frequency services personally I would like the services bought within a West Midlands Bus Alliance agreement to allow better coordination on the corridor sadly however there is no chance at present when the idea was floated at the bus champion meetings whilst TfWM was in favour the operators were not keen on taking any hit on their margins on the 4 4H & 4M hence the 42 & 43 and 31 & 32 being used. To be honest they are not very keen on the West Midlands Bus livery roll out either.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 10:43:54 AM
The corridor is currently a sound financial model with two operators both running high frequency services personally I would like the services bought within a West Midlands Bus Alliance agreement to allow better coordination on the corridor sadly however there is no chance at present when the idea was floated at the bus champion meetings whilst TfWM was in favour the operators were not keen on taking any hit on their margins on the 4 4H & 4M hence the 42 & 43 and 31 & 32 being used. To be honest they are not very keen on the West Midlands Bus livery roll out either.
Is that why they've started using standard liveried vehicles?
The livery is mandatory as part of the agreement but subject to vehicle availability the roll out is still underway and the Mayor aims to achieve all buses non platinum by the Commonwealth games will be in West Midlands Bus colours from what I understand
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
The Mayor aims to achieve all buses non platinum by the Commonwealth games will be in West Midlands Bus colours from what I understand
What the Mayor wants & gets are two very different things.
As NX are still refurbishing their non Platinum fleet in Crimson, it's highly unlikey they will be repainting them again within 3 years in TfWM WMB livery prior to 2022. Plus, Platinum is only a NX brand, why should other operators give up their unique identities.
The Mayor & TfWM would do well to ditch white elephants like using artics on Sprint & spending hundreds of millions extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre and causing endless distruption. The money would be far better spent improving bus priorities / infrasture / bus lanes / park & ride schemes that benefit the majority rather than minority.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
What the Mayor wants & gets are two very different things.
As NX are still refurbishing their non Platinum fleet in Crimson, it's highly unlikey they will be repainting them again within 3 years in TfWM WMB livery prior to 2022. Plus, Platinum is only a NX brand, why should other operators give up their unique identities.
The Mayor & TfWM would do well to ditch white elephants like using artics on Sprint & spending hundreds of millions extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre and causing endless distruption. The money would be far better spent improving bus priorities / infrasture / bus lanes / park & ride schemes that benefit the majority rather than minority.
Well said
@Winston. I dread to think how much taxpayers money is being wasted.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
What the Mayor wants & gets are two very different things.
As NX are still refurbishing their non Platinum fleet in Crimson, it's highly unlikey they will be repainting them again within 3 years in TfWM WMB livery prior to 2022. Plus, Platinum is only a NX brand, why should other operators give up their unique identities.
The Mayor & TfWM would do well to ditch white elephants like using artics on Sprint & spending hundreds of millions extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre and causing endless distruption. The money would be far better spent improving bus priorities / infrasture / bus lanes / park & ride schemes that benefit the majority rather than minority.
The statutory bus partnership agreement I was involved in drawing up requires the operators to adopt the West Midlands Bus livery and what the Mayor wants IS what he will get we have statutory powers within the new Buses Act to compell operators this is not what we actually want as voluntary agreements are preferred however everything could change in May anyway. There are no plans currently to not proceed with Sprint.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 01:37:30 PM
The statutory bus partnership agreement I was involved in drawing up requires the operators to adopt the West Midlands Bus livery and what the Mayor wants IS what he will get we have statutory powers within the new Buses Act to compell operators this is not what we actually want as voluntary agreements are preferred however everything could change in May anyway.
If that's the case, why didn't the Mayor force NXWM & Diamond to the jointly operate the 4 / 4H & 4M a pilot scheme under the WM Bus brand? You clearly said "OPERATORS WEREN'T KEEN" so the 31/32 & 42/43 were instead chosen.
Having the statutory powers & actually enforcing them are two very different things, the NEXUS quality contracts never happened, and TfGM quality contracts is getting very far/very fast. Bus operators are not going to give up commercial bus services without being compensated financially.
The Buses Act had not passed into statute when the 42 & 43 and 31 & 32 plans were drawn up granting the powers to compel operators only voluntary agreements could be drawn up, while bus priority measures and bus lanes are not devolved to the Mayor and outside the scope of my comments. There is no provision within the act to compensate operators
The act is floored then, because It won't happen as per Nexus & now TfGM is looking increasingly likely not to happen.
Operators are simply not going to give up their commercial businesses without any financial compensation. Even properties / land in the way of new road / instrastruture schemes have to be 'compulsory purchased' & owners compensated / relocated.
TfGM are planning to buy the garages of the incumbent operators using the normal government compulsory purchase ratios the act allows this. The Bus Services Act passed into statute on 27th November 2017 it provides a comprehensive framework for the provision of bus services I cannot see any flaws in it & I was happy to contribute to the drafting of the act and gave evidence to a commons select committee on the matter.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
TfGM are planning to buy the garages of the incumbent operators using the normal government compulsory purchase ratios the act allows this. The Bus Services Act passed into statute on 27th November 2017 it provides a comprehensive framework for the provision of bus services I cannot see any flaws in it & I was happy to contribute to the drafting of the act and gave evidence to a commons select committee on the matter.
TfGM may be 'planning' on buying the garages, but nothing has happened yet, and with a potential change in Mayor In Greater Manchester as well, that plan may still get shelved.
Despite all the cost & time of putting together these comprehensive frameworks, not ONE has actually been delivered.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
What the Mayor wants & gets are two very different things.
As NX are still refurbishing their non Platinum fleet in Crimson, it's highly unlikey they will be repainting them again within 3 years in TfWM WMB livery prior to 2022. Plus, Platinum is only a NX brand, why should other operators give up their unique identities.
The Mayor & TfWM would do well to ditch white elephants like using artics on Sprint & spending hundreds of millions extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre and causing endless distruption. The money would be far better spent improving bus priorities / infrasture / bus lanes / park & ride schemes that benefit the majority rather than minority.
Why should all the buses in the West Midlands be painted into the same livery? Are we trying to be a "Mini London"? I've always liked the fact that buses can be different colours, it's just nice. It gets boring seeing all the buses with the same colour. Even in London before they made operators paint buses all red, there was a little bit of variety in them. Arriva had their cream strip down the side, Metroline had a blue bar on the bottom of the buses and First had yellow streaks on the bottom as well. So yeah that's my take on the WMB livery.
End of rant.
Feel free to ridicule me; I don't care.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 02:28:40 PM
TfGM may be 'planning' on buying the garages, but nothing has happened yet, and with a potential change in Mayor In Greater Manchester as well, that plan may still get shelved.
Despite all the cost & time of putting together these comprehensive frameworks, not ONE has actually been delivered.
Ours has been agreed by all the operators in the West Midlands and delievered our next aim the Mayors legally binding conditions of carrage rules due to be signed off in January
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 02:40:16 PM
Why should all the buses in the West Midlands be painted into the same livery? Are we trying to be a "Mini London"? I've always liked the fact that buses can be different colours, it's just nice. It gets boring seeing all the buses with the same colour. Even in London before they made operators paint buses all red, there was a little bit of variety in them. Arriva had their cream strip down the side, Metroline had a blue bar on the bottom of the buses and First had yellow streaks on the bottom as well. So yeah that's my take on the WMB livery.
End of rant.
Feel free to ridicule me; I don't care.
It's because everyone wants to model their regional transports systems on what they consider is the perfect model i.e. 'London' wholly managed by TfL. However, it's rarely publicised how much tax payers money TfL gobbles up to subsidise it all.
West Midlands Trains are certainly a shining local example delivering a top class service....
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 02:40:16 PM
Why should all the buses in the West Midlands be painted into the same livery? Are we trying to be a "Mini London"? I've always liked the fact that buses can be different colours, it's just nice. It gets boring seeing all the buses with the same colour. Even in London before they made operators paint buses all red, there was a little bit of variety in them. Arriva had their cream strip down the side, Metroline had a blue bar on the bottom of the buses and First had yellow streaks on the bottom as well. So yeah that's my take on the WMB livery.
End of rant.
Feel free to ridicule me; I don't care.
I fully agree with you personally I cannot see any point in.corporate livery's of any kind my fave was the post dereg Midland Red West livery swept away by Barbie unfortunately the final decisions on these matters are made well above my pay grade by people who would never be seen dead on a bus! I also agree TfL is a money pit and their ideas in London are deeply flawed my opinion is franchising and the London system is stupid and lines the operators coffers mind you the MD of Tower Transit still refuses to speak to me after we had a very heated debate at last years Tory Party Conference I did feel sorry for the chair Prof David Begg!!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 12:19:23 PM
The livery is mandatory as part of the agreement but subject to vehicle availability the roll out is still underway and the Mayor aims to achieve all buses non platinum by the Commonwealth games will be in West Midlands Bus colours from what I understand
I would say the chances are zero. Not only would you have to find the money to do it, you would have to find the capacity and provide the operators with vehicles to cover those extras away for repaint
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2019, 03:39:38 PM
I would say the chances are zero. Not only would you have to find the money to do it, you would have to find the capacity and provide the operators with v
ehicles to cover those extras away for repaint
Yes your most likley right as always Tony but all the operators have agreed in the legally binding bus alliance document to it & -TfWm are planning for it but not paying for it but everything could change in May
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Yes your most likley right as always Tony but all the operators have agreed in the legally binding bus alliance document to it & -TfWm are planning for it but not paying for it but everything could change in May
I don't think they have all agreed to it by 2022
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Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2019, 04:33:04 PM
I don't think they have all agreed to it by 2022
Well they all did at a meeting I attended at TfWM and I raised the matter at the last meeting I attended last month & TfWM and the operators present all seemed to agree on this shall you tell the WMCA differently or shall i !!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
Well they all did at a meeting I attended at TfWM and I raised the matter at the last meeting I attended last month & TfWM and the operators present all seemed to agree on this shall you tell the WMCA differently or shall i !!!
Well I am still planning company livery repaints for 2020 and not one other operator is currently even making a start. That would leave 1000 repaints to do in 2021 many of which would have been repainted in 2020 so would be an awful waste of money
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
Well I am still planning company livery repaints for 2020 and not one other operator is currently even making a start. That would leave 1000 repaints to do in 2021 many of which would have been repainted in 2020 so would be an awful waste of money
Wouldn't 1000 repaints also be approx. 3 years work for NXWM's paintshop, based on capacity of circa 17 at anyone time.
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2019, 05:16:23 PM
Well I am still planning company livery repaints for 2020 and not one other operator is currently even making a start. That would leave 1000 repaints to do in 2021 many of which would have been repainted in 2020 so would be an awful waste of money
That is very intersting to know Tony would you mind if I raised your points at our next Bus Alliance meeting on the 28th Jan as TfWM & the operators all seem to be in the belief that the majority of buses other than your Platnum and cross boundry buses will be in West Midlands Bus colours by the Commonwealth Games.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
It's because everyone wants to model their regional transports systems on what they consider is the perfect model i.e. 'London' wholly managed by TfL. However, it's rarely publicised how much tax payers money TfL gobbles up to subsidise it all.
West Midlands Trains are certainly a shining local example delivering a top class service....
Isn't TFL in a huge pool of debt right now?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 05:24:32 PM
That is very intersting to know Tony would you mind if I raised your points at our next Bus Alliance meeting on the 28th Jan as TfWM & the operators all seem to be in the belief that the majority of buses other than your Platnum and cross boundry buses will be in West Midlands Bus colours by the Commonwealth Games.
I've also heard this about West Midlands being one colour/operator from a employee in Halesowen bus station
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
Isn't TFL in a huge pool of debt right now?
Yes Tfl is loss making overall, largely due to the bus subsidies & growing Tube revenue & profits. Even though the entire London network is under the control of just Tfl, bud passenger numbers have been falling for the past 4 years and it's not even profitable & is gobbling up tax payers funds.
And this is the model some Cities Mayor's want to adopt.... :o
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/tfl-set-for-742m-loss-thanks-to-bus-subsidies-a4096581.html
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 12:14:26 AM
It's called 'Hasbury' not Dunstall estate, and funny you should mention that, Fyi - I grew up on that estate, lived there years and used Ludlows & other operators frequently and didn't experience all the problems you did, you must just be unlucky. Ludlow's were certainly not an operator I'd refer to a being pathetic, neither have I ever heard anyone share your feelings.
I'm sure Derek and Andy would have something to say about this.
In my eyes growing up within the industry and close to the business it was a fantastic company with a good turned out fleet. Also I knew it as the Squirrels never Dunstall estate.
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
I'm sure Derek and Andy would have something to say about this.
In my eyes growing up within the industry and close to the business it was a fantastic company with a good turned out fleet. Also I knew it as the Squirrels never Dunstall estate.
I agree. Having lived in Hayley Green the Ludlows 006 and 417 were far more reliable that the majority of other routes which served Hayley Green. By far the least reliable was the First 192 service which rarely on time (probably as at one point it interworked with the 143 to Redditch!)
I also used the 002 004 and 007 as well. I can only think of one occasion waiting for a 007 on Unicorn Hill in Redditch at 5.30 wondering whether it would turn up - I used to travel between Halesowen and Redditch quite regularly before the Bromsgrove to Redditch section was cut. Otherwise they were generally on time with friendly drivers!
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
I'm sure Derek and Andy would have something to say about this.
In my eyes growing up within the industry and close to the business it was a fantastic company with a good turned out fleet. Also I knew it as the Squirrels never Dunstall estate.
I totally agree, I was fairly close to Ludlows when they had a solid National fleet, as a family friend drove for them. I still see Derek from time to time. Also, for a pathetic excuse of a company, how come all their let down passengers stood by them when Birmingham Coach Company registered over every one of their routes trying to force them out of business.
Squirrels Estate is the next one up then comes out on Lutely Lane. There's only Dunstall Road, which I lived on for 25 years & my parents are still there.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 01, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
You are so funny have you ever waited 2 hours in Bromsgrove waiting for a 007 or 202 that never appeared or gone for a 006 on the Dunstall estate and it's not turned up or thier 192 tender that never got to Kiddeminster or the missing 230 when your off to the baths at Haden Hill or the 002 that never came at Bartley Green Memorial do NOT lecture me on the pathetic excuse of a bus company that was LUDLOWS I used thier services most days DID YOU?
@sonic84 - Do you ever remember Ludlows operating the 192 tender to Kidderminster ?? ☝️☝️ As I don't.....
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
Isn't TFL in a huge pool of debt right now?
I should have a look at some of TfL budgets and his pressing need to cut bus routes due to the mounting losses on the London Bus system
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 08:44:56 PM
Yes Tfl is loss making overall, largely due to the bus subsidies & growing Tube revenue & profits. Even though the entire London network is under the control of just Tfl, bud passenger numbers have been falling for the past 4 years and it's not even profitable & is gobbling up tax payers funds.
And this is the model some Cities Mayor's want to adopt.... :o
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/tfl-set-for-742m-loss-thanks-to-bus-subsidies-a4096581.html
Winston, thank you I have been at the gym but your spot on with this and the level of debt facing TfL
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2019, 09:06:49 PM
I'm sure Derek and Andy would have something to say about this.
In my eyes growing up within the industry and close to the business it was a fantastic company with a good turned out fleet. Also I knew it as the Squirrels never Dunstall estate.
Ludlows was a terrible company that relied on the patronage of concessionaires and provided a terrible service for those us that had to depend on them with third rate drivers who could not understand how Centro tickets worked, white Leyland Nationals that reeked of oil, white touring coaches regularly put on the 230 and fares that would make impress Stagecoach South West in Devon. The best day for Blackheath was when Rotala bought the company and we were rid of them for good very soon we had 2 unreliable 417s an hour from this awful firm I was so sad when the Birmingham Coach Company failed to run them off the right as I thought we we would be rid of them however Diamond Bus got there in the end and we have 4 4Hs an hour an evening service and Sunday service nothing we never had from Ludlows the best day of my life was when Diamond Bus liberated Gorsty Hill from the rubbish that was Ludlows. it must be a generational thing when I was at Halesowen College my mates never called it The Squirrels but the Dunstall estate.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 10:09:52 PM
@sonic84 - Do you ever remember Ludlows operating the 192 tender to Kidderminster ?? ☝️☝️ As I don't.....
They operated 3 journeys on tender to WCC after Midland Red West withdrew the 192 292 and 392 . I used to have to travel to Aggborough then often and Ludlows rarely turned up to operate their tender routes they were the worst bus company in England
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 10:23:33 PM
Ludlows was a terrible company that relied on the patronage of concessionaires and provided a terrible service for those us that had to depend on them with third rate drivers who could not understand how Centro tickets worked, white Leyland Nationals that reeked of oil, white touring coaches regularly put on the 230 and fares that would make impress Stagecoach South West in Devon. The best day for Blackheath was when Rotala bought the company and we were rid of them for good very soon we had 2 unreliable 417s an hour from this awful firm I was so sad when the Birmingham Coach Company failed to run them off the right as I thought we we would be rid of them however Diamond Bus got there in the end and we have 4 4Hs an hour an evening service and Sunday service nothing we never had from Ludlows the best day of my life was when Diamond Bus liberated Gorsty Hill from the rubbish that was Ludlows. it must be a generational thing when I was at Halesowen College my mates never called it The Squirrels but the Dunstall estate.
The Birmingham Coach Companies fleet of Nationals were always rough, and not in the best of condition & it was their drivers who I would have considered third rate. Then there was the lunchtime window where there was a gap in service on the 9 & they could all be found parked on Earl's Island for lunch.
It may be what you & your mates called it, but there's no such place as Dunstall Est. As for a generation thing, we're from around the same generation. I left Windsor High in 93 & did two years at Haleswoen College & used buses frequently then.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 10:27:17 PM
They operated 3 journeys on tender to WCC after Midland Red West withdrew the 192 292 and 392 . I used to have to travel to Aggborough then often and Ludlows rarely turned up to operate their tender routes they were the worst bus company in England
Don't remember those, probably as only odd journeys. Who ran the daytime 192 at that time?
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 08:44:56 PM
Yes Tfl is loss making overall, largely due to the bus subsidies & growing Tube revenue & profits. Even though the entire London network is under the control of just Tfl, bud passenger numbers have been falling for the past 4 years and it's not even profitable & is gobbling up tax payers funds.
And this is the model some Cities Mayor's want to adopt.... :o
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/tfl-set-for-742m-loss-thanks-to-bus-subsidies-a4096581.html
Some of the reasons why bus passenger numbers have been falling in London are:
1. Half the road space in Central London streets are now cycle super highways so slowing traffic down.
2. Most major junctions have been altered with separate phases for the cyclists extending the time it takes to get through the junction.
3. One way systems have been removed e.g. Tottenham Court Road two years ago was a 3 lane road northbound, now it is has 1 lane each way and when you get a lorry parked in a layby delivering two buses cannot pass each other creating delays.
4. The number of private hire vehicles (Uber etc) have increased dramatically, also they don't pay the congestion charge and most of them do not know how to drive properly.
5. The introduction of free buses (Borismasters) where a high proportion of the passengers don't touch the oyster or contactless will show as a reduction in passenger numbers.
The TfL model is not the model to follow, it is very costly to Londoners from their council tax even though there has been the fares freeze which has done no good for TfL's financies.
At present the initials TfL could stand for: Totally xxxx London:-)
Mate I do not think we are of the same generation I started at Halesowen College in 1984 and my mates I am still in touch with were known as the Dunstall lads from the municipal housing and the posh lot were from the Squirrels & Abbeyfields I was just thought of as pond life because I went to Britannia High in Blackheath but most of us are still in touch I cannot believe all this praise for Ludlows. I did my accountancy training at Midland Red West & Badgerline Holdings under the great late Ken Mills a visionary of his time and the company before GRT prided itself of the the up most professional service we provided to Birmingham, The Black Country, Herefordshire and Worcestershire. I was as an trainee accountant but was even passed out on a yellow Mk1 yellow Leyland National 101 HHA 101L and still hold my PCV. We used to just laugh and laugh at the amateur nature and the ridiculous messes Ludlows used to get themselves into it was really amateur night in an On The Buses tribute act that's how we perceived Ludlows and I had to live on Gorsty Hill and suffer it daily knowing what a quality service we operated at MRW and I never liked how they get rid of our 233. I have great admiration for Geoff Howle and The Birmingham Coach Company who in a time of recession offered low fares, bus services where people wanted to go to and ran a fleet of Leyland Nationals smartly turned out in Red & Cream. I was so sad when he failed to run Ludlows off the road but Diamond Bus prevailed in the end just remind me who is running up Gorsty Hill now is it Ludlows or The Birmingham Coach Company aka Diamond Bus?
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 10:38:47 PM
Don't remember those, probably as only odd journeys. Who ran the daytime 192 at that time?
It was Midland Red West X93 X92 AND X94 THE TENDER REPLACED WITHDRAWN JOURNEYS ON 192, 292 AND 392.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 01:45:52 AM
Obviously I didn't mean "always" in a literal sense.
The 4H is an extension of the normal 4 between Blackheath and Hayley Green, a service between Walsall and Hayley Green never previously existed
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You are wrong the 4H is not an extension of the 4 but a merger of the Diamond Bus 404E and 417 please feel free to correct me if you feel I am wrong I do agree however it created a thru service from Walsall to Hayley Green.
Well, no, I'm not. The 4 (then 404) never went to Halesowen until the 4H was introduced
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 02, 2019, 11:02:56 PM
Well, no, I'm not. The 4 (then 404) never went to Halesowen until the 4H was introduced
I did NOT POST that the 4 and the 4H were introduced together I have NEVER said the 404 went to Halesowen if you read my post I said the 4H grew from the Diamond Bus 404E West Brom to Walsall which was merged with the Diamond Bus 417 West Brom to Hayley Green you are completely wrong the 4 was never extended to Hayley Green for Diamond Bus it was the 404E joined with 417 why cant you understand this before attacking my posts I suggest you in future get your facts right before commenting on me & Blackheath buses .
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2019, 10:35:37 PM
The Birmingham Coach Companies fleet of Nationals were always rough, and not in the best of condition & it was their drivers who I would have considered third rate. Then there was the lunchtime window where there was a gap in service on the 9 & they could all be found parked on Earl's Island for lunch.
It may be what you & your mates called it, but there's no such place as Dunstall Est. As for a generation thing, we're from around the same generation. I left Windsor High in 93 & did two years at Haleswoen College & used buses frequently then.
I have nothing but praise for Geoff Howle & The Birmingham Company Company a bus company that offered low fares at time of high unemployment in Blackheath offering buses where folks wanted to go and nothing but contempt for Ludlows a company with high fares, white Leyland Nationals that stank of oil, drivers who looked down and sneered at Blackheath.folk and ran a third rate service thru Blackheath that benefited Ludlows but took Blackheath folk for a ride I am not a regious man but I prayed for joy when Rotala got Ludlows off the road for good a great day for Blackheath.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 11:55:08 PM
Why do I get the feeling that this argument is going to go into next year?
I think.we have a North South divide here the posh boys of leafy middle class Halesowen loved Ludlows because they never had to use them us working class lads in Blackheath saw straight thru them ignored them and bought our West Midlands Travelcards or 7 day Bham Coach Company tickets I really can see for the first time what Halesowen folk perceive of Ludlows and what Blackheath folk did it really is an amazing clash of social cohesion isn't it ?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
Mate I do not think we are of the same generation I started at Halesowen College in 1984 and my mates I am still in touch with were known as the Dunstall lads from the municipal housing and the posh lot were from the Squirrels & Abbeyfields I was just thought of as pond life because I went to Britannia High in Blackheath but most of us are still in touch I cannot believe all this praise for Ludlows. I did my accountancy training at Midland Red West & Badgerline Holdings under the great late Ken Mills a visionary of his time and the company before GRT prided itself of the the up most professional service we provided to Birmingham, The Black Country, Herefordshire and Worcestershire. I was as an trainee accountant but was even passed out on a yellow Mk1 yellow Leyland National 101 HHA 101L and still hold my PCV. We used to just laugh and laugh at the amateur nature and the ridiculous messes Ludlows used to get themselves into it was really amateur night in an On The Buses tribute act that's how we perceived Ludlows and I had to live on Gorsty Hill and suffer it daily knowing what a quality service we operated at MRW and I never liked how they get rid of our 233. I have great admiration for Geoff Howle and The Birmingham Coach Company who in a time of recession offered low fares, bus services where people wanted to go to and ran a fleet of Leyland Nationals smartly turned out in Red & Cream. I was so sad when he failed to run Ludlows off the road but Diamond Bus prevailed in the end just remind me who is running up Gorsty Hill now is it Ludlows or The Birmingham Coach Company aka Diamond Bus?
You posted you started work in 1996 last night when you were having your tant, logic would suggest you were at college before that. There's no municipal housing on Dunstall Road or most surrounding roads.
We'll have to agree to disagree on our perceptions of Ludlows, I've not come across such negatively towards Ludlows before, neither have others by the looks of it.
BCC didn't have all it's Nationals smartly turned out, there were numerous examples in ex Brighton & Hove livery racing up/down Dunstall Road on the 247/248. Plus the BCC drivers were on bonuses based on takings & would do anything just to get infront of WMT inc illegal & dangerous manoeuvre's etc. A number of them were rust buckets covered in dents & scrapes.
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2019, 12:19:02 AM
You posted you started work in 1996 last night when you were having your tant, logic would suggest you were at college before that. There's no municipal housing on Dunstall Road or most surrounding roads.
We'll have to agree to disagree on our perceptions of Ludlows, I've not come across such negatively towards Ludlows before, neither have others by the looks of it.
BCC didn't have all it's Nationals smartly turned out, there were numerous examples in ex Brighton & Hove livery racing up/down Dunstall Road on the 247/248. Plus the BCC drivers were on bonuses based on takings & would do anything just to get infront of WMT inc illegal & dangerous manoeuvre's etc. A number of them were rust buckets covered in dents & scrapes.
You are so wrong again when the Squirrels was built as you call it half was sold as private housing half was in the control of Dudley Council and let out to tenants as municipal housing and many of mates called it the Dunstall estate who lived in the rented houses the squirrels was for the owner occupiers most were sold naturally to the owners under right to buy I am not a Halesowen man I am from.Blackheath I doubt you really are if you didn't know that. I started work in practice as an accountant in 1996 but oddly had to qualify first and so under my BA/MBA sandwich degree I was placed for my training contract with Midland Red West/Bagerline Holdings for nearly 18 months during my degree and loved my internship I hate Ludlows with all my heart as most Blackheath folk do. I loved those dual door Mk1s that kept the BH&D colours on the 247 The Birmingham Coach Company did and still does today as Diamond Bus offers Blackheath a quality low cost service something that Ludlows never did a third rate company loved in Halesowen and hated in.Blackheath and good riddance to them you cannot argue Diamond Bus has served Blackheath since 1987 and is still here today while the Ludlows cut and run and left Halesowen high and dry ironic isn't it as for the BCC drivers did you not understand The Transport Act 1986 and the phrase competition if not can I refer you to Maslows Hierarchy of Needs or Micheal Porters Competitive Strategy whicj outlines the BCC approach taken I did my dissertation on The Birmingham Coach Company and the impact it had on the deregulated bus market of the West Midlands and got a 1st ironic that when you look at what they did to MRW oh and WMT gave as good it got remember the 317 against the BCC 217?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 12:42:34 AM
You are so wrong again when the Squirells was built as you call it half was sold as private housing half was in the control of Dudley Council and let out to tennants as muncipal housing and many of mates called it the Dunstall estate who lived in the rented houses the squirells was for the owner occupiers most were sold naturally to the owners under right to buy I am not a Halesowen man I am from.Blackheath I doubt you really are if you didnt know that. I started work in practice as an accountant in 1996 but oddly had to qualify first and so under my BA/MBA sandwich degree I was placed for my training contract with Midland Red West/Bagerline Holdings for nearly 18 months during my degree and loved my internship I hate Ludlows with all my heart as most Blackheath folk do. I loved those dual door Mk1s that kept the BH&D colours on the 247 The Birmingham Coach Company did and still does today as Diamond Bus offers Blackheath a quality low cost service something that Ludlows never did a third rate company loved in Halesowen and hated in.Blackheath and good riddance to them you cannot argue Diamond Bus has served Blackheath since 1987 and is still here todsy while the Ludlows cut and run and left Halesowen high and dry ironic isnt it as for the BCC drivers did you not understsnd The Transport Act 1986 and the phrase competition and WMT gave as good it got remember the 317 against the BCC 217?
Really I'm wrong....🤦♂️ For the FINAL time (take it from someone's who's lived there....) Dunstall Road is on HASBURY estate. The Squirrels is a completely seperate estate with municple housing some of which falls under HAYLEY GREEN.
Ludlows didn't cut & run they sold out for good offer, just like Birmingham Coach Company did to Go-Ahead & then Go-Ahead sold the combined BCC / Pete's Travel ops to Rotala.
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2019, 01:03:40 AM
Really I'm wrong....🤦♂️ For the FINAL time (take it from someone's who's lived there....) Dunstall Road is on HASBURY estate. The Squirrels is a completely seperate estate with municple housing some of which falls under HAYLEY GREEN.
Ludlows didn't cut & run they sold out for good offer, just like Birmingham Coach Company did to Go-Ahead & then Go-Ahead sold the combined BCC / Pete's Travel ops to Rotala.
Ok I will agree with you on Dunstall Rd that we are both from the posh and poor sides of Halesowen I respect you for that and our perceptions are different but lets agree that different generations look at things different I respect you Winston.for moderating such a wonderfull site as this and lets be honest are Blackheath & Halesowen lads ever going to agree? Thank you for your correct Diamond Bus timeline. However Ludlows did cut and run if check on Companies House register Diamond Bus still has the same Company Registeration number as the Bham Coach Company had on formation ownership changes happen in companies thats normal business but I dare you legally to prove Diamond Bus Ltd is not the same company in law that was The Bham Coach Company Ltd and so would you not agree Diamond Bus Ltd has served the people of Blackheath since 1987 and continues today whereas for all thier praise the Ludlows cut and run left Halesowen high and dry and sold out I cannot find on the Companies House database a company called Ludlows Coaches but oddly one called Diamond Bus Limited previously known as The Birmingham Coach Company Limited funny that isnt it which makes me proud of Diamond serving Blackheath for over 30 years they are still here the SAME company offering low fares as they have done for Blackheath for 33 years while the Ludlows they sold out so couldnt care less about Halesowen and people praise them on here they obviously never used them or are aware Diamond Bus Ltd have served Blackheath for 33 years which is more than you can say for Ludlows....
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 01:19:35 AM
Ok I will agree with you on Dunstall Rd that we are both from the posh and poor sides of Halesowen I respect you for that and our perceptions are different but lets agree that different generations look at things different I respect you Winston.for moderating such a wonderfull site as this and lets be honest are Blackheath & Halesowen lads ever going to agree? Thank you for your correct Diamond Bus timeline. However Ludlows did cut and run if check on Companies House register Diamond Bus still has the same Company Registeration number as the Bham Coach Company had on formation ownership changes happen in companies thats normal business but I dare you legally to prove Diamond Bus Ltd is not the same company in law that was The Bham Coach Company Ltd and so would you not agree Diamond Bus Ltd has served the people of Blackheath since 1987 and continues today whereas for all thier praise the Ludlows cut and run left Halesowen high and dry and sold out I cannot find on the Companies House database a company called Ludlows Coaches but oddly one called Diamond Bus Limited previously known as The Birmingham Coach Company Limited funny that isnt it which makes me proud of Diamond serving Blackheath for over 30 years they are still here the SAME company offering low fares as they have done for Blackheath for 33 years while the Ludlows they sold out so couldnt care less about Halesowen and people praise them on here they obviously never used them.
Our generations really aren't that far apart, I remember when Ludlows first started the 006 after deregulation & BCC. I think you'll find after the BCC attack, Ludlows started investing quite heavily in low floor buses & quickly ditched the Nationals, whilst it took Geoffrey Howle until 2001 to first put his hand in his pocket and buy his first brand new buses in the form of 8 x DAF/Wright Cadets & then only bought another 6 after that in 2002. Pat & Derek Ludlow were both at retirement age when they sold out to Rotala, the same can't be said of Geoffrey Howle.
Ludlows of Halesowen Limited was dissolved in 2014:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01352987
The current Rotala Diamond Bus Limited legal entity originates from the same limited company number that The Birmingham Coach Company started out with, but ownership has changed hands a number of times since then. Additionally, the current Diamond Bus Limited operation also includes elements of various acquisitions including Go West Midlands / First Kidderminster & Redditch / Ludlows / Hansons & Central Buses - don't think there's anything left of Central Connect / Zak's or BMT.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02531054
That said, if you want to split hairs, the actual route serving Gorsty Hill (4H) was formed from the merger of 417 (Ludlow's origin) & 404E's (Diamond Bus / Peoples Express / Pete's Travel origin), the original Birmingham Coach Company route West Bromwich to Merry Hill via Blackheath (217) was withdrawn sometime prior.
I think you'll find that all of us who disagree with your view Ludlows used their buses. I used to travel around on their buses frequently in the mid 90's with my sisters friends dad who drove for Ludlows and his brother also joined. And I know Derek Ludlow & he still drives for Diamond Bus Kidderminster, and Hanson's prior to that.
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2019, 02:04:25 AM
Our generations really aren't that far apart, I remember when Ludlows first started the 006 after deregulation & BCC. I think you'll find after the BCC attack, Ludlows started investing quite heavily in low floor buses & quickly ditched the Nationals, whilst it took Geoffrey Howle until 2001 to first put his hand in his pocket and buy his first brand new buses in the form of 8 x DAF/Wright Cadets & then only bought another 6 after that in 2002. Pat & Derek Ludlow were both at retirement age when they sold out to Rotala, the same can't be said of Geoffrey Howle.
Ludlows of Halesowen Limited was dissolved in 2014:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/01352987
The current Rotala Diamond Bus Limited legal entity originates from the same limited company number that The Birmingham Coach Company started out with, but ownership has changed hands a number of times since then. Additionally, the current Diamond Bus Limited operation also includes elements of various acquisitions including Go West Midlands / First Kidderminster & Redditch / Ludlows / Hansons & Central Buses - don't think there's anything left of Central Connect / Zak's or BMT.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02531054
That said, if you want to split hairs, the actual route serving Gorsty Hill (4H) was formed from the merger of 417 (Ludlow's origin) & 404E's (Diamond Bus / Peoples Express / Pete's Travel origin), the original Birmingham Coach Company route West Bromwich to Merry Hill via Blackheath (217) was withdrawn sometime prior.
I think you'll find that all of us who disagree with your view Ludlows used their buses. I used to travel around on their buses frequently in the mid 90's with my sisters friends dad who drove for Ludlows and his brother also joined. And I know Derek Ludlow & he still drives for Diamond Bus Kidderminster, and Hanson's prior to that.
Well Geoffrey Howle bought the Cadets for Centro contracts you cannot buy brand new stock and still offer the good people of Blackheath low fares from a £1 return I am sure he was happy to let the good people of Halesowen pay higher fares to fund the purchase of the Ludlows Darts. I do not split hairs Winston that is childish I pride myself as a professional and yes I fully agree with all your comments i too cannot find an active company on the register called Ludlows you are spot on therefore you will agree that Diamond Bus Limited have served Blackheath for 33 years from the 217 to the 4H and continue to provide a bus service today whereas Ludlows are company that sold out and has not provided Halesowen with a bus service for anything like 33 years has it. Dereck & Pat took the money dangled in front of them by Rotala and ran. If the Birmingham Coach Company / Diamond Bus are so bad as you describe on the 247/8 and Ludlows so good funny that it is Diamond Bus still offering the good people of Blackheath a commercial service between Blackheath & West Bromwich after 33 years and your so called superior Ludlows are the Woolworths of Blackheath buses gone but not forgotten sadly I am pleased you finally.acknowledge the long lasting sucess that continues as Diamond Bus long after Ludlows sold up and left Halesowen high and dry glad your proud of a company like that I too are very proud of Diamond Bus which is also one of Sandwells biggest employers and that is something for everyone to be proud off.
Oh well if you really want to split hairs lifes too short to be professional who needs it as an accountant the origin of the 417 was actually WMPTE in 1976 and just remind me between the end of the WMPTE 417 on 25th October 1986 and Ludlows reintroducing it in 1988 who was it who ran it so professionally as the 233 & became much missed when Ludlows elbowed them out of the way in such an unprofessionaly way which we all came to expect from such an unprofessional shambles of a bus company and ran 2 minuets ahead of the incumbent showing what hypocrities they were for all the moaning and outrage when BCC did the same I am glad you are so proud of such a firm that was such a disgrace to Blackheath and is missed by no one I know. Oh and I think our generations are very very much apart sadly I cannot see anyone at school in 1993 wearing White Socks and going to the Royal Albert Hall to see A/ha live last month..... For what its worth Winston.I really think we have to agree to disagree on Ludlows & The Birmingham.Coach Company .that is all in the past what is more important than everything is we all work together to continue to build a better bus service for all today and the future that is why I am a TfWM Bus Champion to move forward with buses not live in the past dont you agree?
Why do I get the feeling there's going to be some moderator editing on the last few posts?
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
Why do I get the feeling there's going to be some moderator editing on the last few posts?
No, because they are valid opinions.
It's only when opinions are posted as facts they get deleted
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
Why do I get the feeling there's going to be some moderator editing on the last few posts?
What relevance do your comments have with what's been discussed ?
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2019, 09:19:15 AM
What relevance do your comments have with what's been discussed ?
I think Westy has missed the point with his comments I think its very clear Winston was very proud to grow up in Halesowen and loved his Mk1 Leyland Nationals painted overall White whilst I grew up in Blackheath and loved my Mk1 Leyland Nationals painted Red & Cream. I think Winston and myself have argued the case for each others company very very well & I respect Winstons knowledge of the company he enjoyed using its for others on the forum to decide whose comments they agree with and not. The conclusion I have drawn is you have two posters who used buses when they were young and still use them regularly today and enjoy them with a passion and to be frank the bus industry needs people who stand up for it. As for generations I am sure Winston is hapy to confirm he does not love White Socks & attends A/ha concerts! White Mk1 Leyland Nationals & Dennis Darts yes I am sure.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
I think Westy has missed the point with his comments I think its very clear Winston was very proud to grow in Halesowen and loved his Mk1 Leyland Nationals painted overall White whilst I grew up in Blackheath and loved my Mk1 Leyland Nationals painted Red & Cream. I think Winston and myself have argued the case for each others company very very well & I respect Winstons knowledge of the company he enjoyed using its for others on the forum to decide whose comments they agree with and not. The conclusion I have drawn is you have two posters who used buses when they were young and still use them regularly today and are enjoy them with a passion and to be frank the bus industry needs people who stand up for it. As for generations I am sure Winston is hapy to confirm he does not wear White Socks & attends A/ha concerts! White Mk1 Leyland Nationals yes I am sure.
Westy hasn't missed the point - he just needs to put his wooden spoon away & stop stirring!
I agree the Ludlows / BCC debate has been exhausted. Fyi - I don't now use buses that often now, only when time allows / if I fancy a few trips out. I drive most places if I need to go anywhere & I don't generally commute as work freelance from home.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 03:27:15 PM
I fully agree with you personally I cannot see any point in.corporate livery's of any kind my fave was the post dereg Midland Red West livery swept away by Barbie unfortunately the final decisions on these matters are made well above my pay grade by people who would never be seen dead on a bus! I also agree TfL is a money pit and their ideas in London are deeply flawed my opinion is franchising and the London system is stupid and lines the operators coffers mind you the MD of Tower Transit still refuses to speak to me after we had a very heated debate at last years Tory Party Conference I did feel sorry for the chair Prof David Begg!!!
Just going back to one of your earlier comments, I was a little a surprised at the perception towards senior TfWM executives & the thought of using a bus - in my opinion, these are the very people that are responsible for designing our future transport infrastructure / changing current provisions, surely they are the ones that need to get their a*ses out of their offices and experience the existing transport provisions / see the current issues first hand. TfWM are the body that should be leading by example to promote the systems they are creating, all employee's should be actively encouraged to commute using public transport.
TfWM and WMCA do a very good job at what they do and the level of professionalism they do behind the scences is quite a surprise from the meetings I attend. I have had a driving licence since I was 18 and ended up with a PCV I chose to use the bus every day for work, visit clients etc most of my mates have always known me to be the same and say I use Buses as taxis around the West Midlands. The operational structure and ethos has changed totally since Centro morphed into TfWM & WMCA it really is know led top down by the mayor as long as you are doing a good job and TfWM is in my opinion I do not think it really matters what your own mode of transport is perhaps due to my knowlege and usage of buses that why I was aaked to contribute and I find both the management of NXWM & Rotala equally professional and engaging at the meetings I attend. I am very lucky being self employed it doesn't matter if I am stuck on the Hagley Rd on the X8 for an hour and half others are not so lucky mind you I am surprised how evasive you are about White Socks and A/ha to honest.
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
I'm no stirrer, thank you very much.
It just seemed it was getting a little tetchy!
I disagree I think Winston has his views on Ludlows in Halesowen and I have mine on The Birmingham Coach Company in Blackheath and you have to remember there was a great rivalry between the two companies akin to Rangers & Celtic in football except this was white or red & cream you were firmly on one side or the other. I think we argued our respective cases with quite eloquence it is for others now on the site to decide whose opinion is most relevant to them.
To be honest, the only time I saw a Ludlow vehicle in Walsall, was after Diamond took them over & stuck a vehicle on the then new 301.
In fact, according to the old Centro website of the time, the Diamond 301 was originally registered as a Ludlow service ISTR.
For the first couple of weeks, it was a free service as A2Z went bump overnight!
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
To be honest, the only time I saw a Ludlow vehicle in Walsall, was after Diamond took them over & stuck a vehicle on the then new 301.
In fact, according to the old Centro website of the time, the Diamond 301 was originally registered as a Ludlow service ISTR.
For the first couple of weeks, it was a free service as A2Z went bump overnight!
The 9 was also registered initially as a Ludlows service
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
To be honest, the only time I saw a Ludlow vehicle in Walsall, was after Diamond took them over & stuck a vehicle on the then new 301.
In fact, according to the old Centro website of the time, the Diamond 301 was originally registered as a Ludlow service ISTR.
For the first couple of weeks, it was a free service as A2Z went bump overnight!
Yes mate you are quite correct after Rotala bought Ludlows the company as Winston confirmed remained active and many service registerations were on Ludlows discs the most famous Diamond Bus 9 was which actually registered to Ludlows of Halesowen. The rivarly between Ludlows & BCC was as Winston will confirm is legendry it was normal to see drivers fighting amongst themselves and Leyland Nationals being rammed into each other we will never see anything like it again where we live. Now Winston & I have made our comments very plain and agreed we both love our respective companies I am sure everyone on this forum wonders why someone who is so pro bus lives just out Halesowen can hate Ludlows so much. The answer is simple the reason why BCC declared war on Ludlows is in the early days of the BCC 217 upon retendering Ludlows registered a 217 to run 2 mins in front of the BCC 217. BCC registered it commercially in Blackheath and threw everything at them and Ludlows withdrew in a matter of weeks and registered the 417 from that moment onwards I knew Ludlows were wolfs in sheep clothing and as you have seen all these years later I still hate them so much and hold those views to this day.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
Yes mate you are quite correct after Rotala bought Ludlows the company as Winston confirmed remained active and many service registerations were on Ludlows discs the most famous Diamond Bus 9 was which actually registered to Ludlows of Halesowen. The rivarly between Ludlows & BCC was as Winston will confirm is legendry it was normal to see drivers fighting amongst themselves and Leyland Nationals being rammed into each other we will never see anything like it again where we live. Now Winston & I have made our comments very plain and agreed we both love our respective companies I am sure everyone on this forum wonders why someone who is pro bus can hate Ludlows so much. The answer is simple the reason why BCC declared war on Ludlows is in the early days of the BCC 217 upon retendering Ludlows registered a 217 to run 2 mins in front of the BCC 217. BCC registered it commercially in Blackheath and threw everything at them and Ludlows withdrew in a matter of weeks and registered the 417 from that moment onwards I knew Ludlows were wolfs in sheep clothing and as you have seen all these years later I still hold those views.
The above practises of registering a few mins infront in the incumbent was rife at that time. They all did it including BCC, they were either registered as such or would deliberatly hang back to be just a few mins ahead on various services in competition against WMT i.e. 6, 9, 16, 51, 74, 87, 120, 247/248 etc, all of which are now gone bar the 16.
Diamond do it now against Claribel's tendered 75, where prior to the change of tender, Claribel's did it to Diamond. That's all political.
We must move on Winston but you can see why I hate Ludlows so much they made the first move against BCC in Blackheath every one forgets that and from that day onwards I was a red and cream man as you were White. The 6 was an odd one for BCC with a strange irregular timetable mind you Diamond did have a good try at the Torchwood 37. I think the 9, 51, 74, 87, 120 & 247/8 were fair game as they were WMT and competition is good and the by word at the time against the incumbent those all failed because of the dominance of the WMT Travelcard even BCC's riddicuously low fares were not enough perhaps it would be different know with Swift & I really don't want this to keep going on and on between us I get sick to the back teeth of everyone saying how wonderful and brilliant Ludlows were they were an utter rubbish third rate cowboy of a bus company in my opinion, that is if you saw their behaviour on the 217 against BCC you would know why I hate even today Ludlows so much with so much venom but lets move on mate I am sure with my insiders knowledge of TfWM I can bring another value to your excellent forum I must be doing something right I have been approached today by Avanti West Coast to join their new customer panel oh & you are still being very cagey about white socks and A/ha....
I've found it better since Swift came along, so I can catch any bus!
Totally agree the Mayor is very proud of Swift and its successful uptake the long term goal is for its use on West Midlands Railways as well i understand.
Right then Winston moving on remember the Little Red Bus brilliantly whacky operations did you ever use their Service 99 from Blackheath to Birmingham and could this route work today with another operator as NXWM have slashed the Blackheath to Birmingham frequencies recently and are now taking the Blackheath patronage for granted when people notice me in the Market Place I really get in the ear how awful the X8 is and yes it is and the cuts to the 127/13A anyone have ideas how Blackheath could get back its service to Brum it actually deserves?
Yes, remember the Little Red Bus co with Dodge S56 minibuses. Didn't use the 99, they did the Halesowen - Hasbury circular evening & Sunday tendered route 609.
I have lived in blackheath for the past 26 years and worked for a short time for BCC, I regularly worked on the 217 service from the very beginning and I have to acknowledge ludlows drivers were a right miserable lot.
Wow thats amazing I have loved living in Blackheath all my 51 years and have great respect for the drivers in the early days of the BCC & very fond memories of 56, HHA 115L the Orange ex Midland Red Mk1 National bought from Shearings - Respect to you mate.
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2019, 03:50:29 PM
Yes, remember the Little Red Bus co with Dodge S56 minibuses. Didn't use the 99, they did the Halesowen - Hasbury circular evening & Sunday tendered route 609.
Winston with regard to your comments on me being a lone voice and those of midlandred2003 just posted are you absolutly sure everyone on your forum loves Ludlows...............
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 04:31:09 PM
Winston with regard to your comments on me being a lone voice and those of midlandred2003 just posted are you absolutly sure everyone on your forum loves Ludlows...............
I thought we were moving on....
We are sorry many apologies I was gobsmacked someone else voiced a negative ŕeaction that was childish of me onwards and upwards I respect your views of Ludlows I just could not believe a BCC driver posted - top man - again sorry time to move on mind you, your still very evasive on what I think is our ultimate generational difference white socks and A/ha.........
I wouldn't been seen dead in white socks.... nuff said.
The first 217 from cradley heath was HHA 115L with me driving it I have a picture but it's a bit dark.
See I said we had a generational divide in Halesowen me and my mates at Halesowen College lived in white socks heaven knows how our mums kept them white for what its worth I take the bus world very seriously sorry for that final Ludlows post tonight I am meeting a senior Megabus controller from Leamington Spa Garage for a curry in Blackheath towm centre lfor the latest insider information on all things Stagecoach take it your not an A/ha fan either.......
Quote from: midlandred2003 on December 03, 2019, 05:04:04 PM
The first 217 from cradley heath was HHA 115L with me driving it I have a picture but it's a bit dark.
Wow mate brilliant top man very happy memories cheers thanks it does show all on this site I know my buses thank you.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 03, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
See I said we had a generational divide in Halesowen me and my mates at Halesowen College lived in white socks heaven knows how our mums kept them white for what its worth I take the bus world very seriously sorry for that final Ludlows post tonight I am meeting a senior Megabus controller from Leamington Spa Garage for a curry in Blackheath towm centre lfor the latest insider information on all things Stagecoach take it your not an A/ha fan either.......
Yes - see if there's any hint of what if anything Stagecoach Group are planning having lost their UK Rail Business & are now solely reliant on UK bus i.e. any plans to diversify in to other markets.
Now keep calm & control yourself......
Competing 217's:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/5529209362
(it may even be Derek Ludlow at the wheel, back turned chatting to the female passengers no doubt....)
BCC HHA115L on 417:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/24655636847
HHA115L in it's second life in the WM @ Falcon Travel:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/53055234@N08/42367389145
Ex Shearings BCC OVO559L:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/32478106033
If you wish to reminisce, have a scroll through the pages on these Flickr sites, there's quite a few WM independents:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eagle50043/albums/72157629405080838
https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/albums/72157691928520695
or Flickr search:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=birmingham%20coach%20company
Winston my whole life has just flashed in front of me very very very happy memories as someone who was heavily bullied at school for just being wierdo buses and swimming was my lifeline my world changed at Halesowen College and that got me to Wolves Poly and I had such a great time I used buses throughout my time for internship, dissertations and assignments that was a life changer I am very up for tonight with a good mate as the last rites are given to Virgin Trains it really is a new dawn for Stagecoach & for me cheers mate and if anyone wonders why I have suddenly burst onto the forum now the answer is simple since 2011 I have been a Government advisor on transport well buses and was not allowed to post on social media after Parliament was disolved and we entered purdah I made it clear I would not be returning to my role after the election so it looks like your stuck with me.........
Blimey, reading this thread is like watching somebody going through a midlife crisis...
Quote from: MW on December 03, 2019, 08:53:16 PM
Blimey, reading this thread is like watching somebody going through a midlife crisis...
No, it's more like people not ready to give up the past and move on.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 03, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
No, it's more like people not ready to give up the past and move on.
Makes a change from the usual arguments over Noteworthy Workings...
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 30, 2019, 11:46:49 PM
Walsall to Blackheath is the main part of the corridor, as it always has been, Blackheath to Merry Hill/Hayley Green are essentially extensions
This was my quote, it is in no way incorrect.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 02, 2019, 11:30:33 PM
I did NOT POST that the 4 and the 4H were introduced together I have NEVER said the 404 went to Halesowen if you read my post I said the 4H grew from the Diamond Bus 404E West Brom to Walsall which was merged with the Diamond Bus 417 West Brom to Hayley Green you are completely wrong the 4 was never extended to Hayley Green for Diamond Bus it was the 404E joined with 417 why cant you understand this before attacking my posts I suggest you in future get your facts right before commenting on me & Blackheath buses .
I'd probably watch your attitude if you want to make friends around here.
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 03, 2019, 10:48:57 PM
This was my quote, it is in no way incorrect.
I'd probably watch your attitude if you want to make friends around here.
I am not going thru a mid life cřisis I have resigned from the government from a job i have done for 8 years I do not give a toss about my attitude if you were bullied as I was at Britannia High School in Blackheath you know how to defend yourself I have resigned after being an advisor to the Gov on transport affairs after 8 years, it has allowed me to finally post what I know for the first time on Winstons website I was hoping be able to post on TfWM affairs but if the majority do not want an insider's view of what happens at TfWM that's fine your loss not mine. I could not give a toss what you think I was hoping my insiders knowledge would assist this wonderful website of Tony & Winston but if you do not want it that's fine I do not give a toss its your loss.
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 03, 2019, 10:48:57 PM
I'd probably watch your attitude if you want to make friends around here.
Personally I think this chap is doing a very good job of portraying the general tfwm attitude on the forum! 8)
We give a toss about people with attitude / being argumentative, it causes problems for me, Tony & Stu, there's no need for it on here, personal lives outside of the forum don't come in to it either. Lively debates are fine, differences of opinion's are fine as long as it's kept friendly. There's rules in place on the forum to keep the harmony, those that don't abide by them have generally found themselves having a break on the side lines or headed for the exit.
Everyone shares a mutual hobby for pleasure, additionally, there's many others on here that work within the industry for different bodies, operators etc in various capacities including senior positions.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
I have resigned after being an advisor to the Gov on transport affairs after 8 years, it has allowed me to finally post what I know for the first time on Winstons website I was hoping be able to post on TfWM affairs but if the majority do not want an insider's view of what happens at TfWM that's fine your loss not mine.
I for one would love to hear some TfWM insiders opinions and perspectives. If you do indeed have some revelations to share, please do so, but please start a new topic in the relevant section of this forum.
If you have any questions on the political parties plans for public transport after the election all the candidates standing in the Halesowen & Rowley Regis ward will be attending a hustings at Holy Trinity Church Old Hill on Monday at 7pm. No tickets are required and the event is organised by the vicar not the political parties.
Thank you Winston that is most kind, I am happy to try to answer any question on Blackheath buses since 1968 for a start I wonder if anyone remembers The Birmingham Coach Company 217.................................................
Present Blackheath services include the following services
3/3A
4/H/M
13A
14/14A,
24
231
X8
Halesowen services include the following
002
4H
9
13
14
17
19
28
142
147
192
202
231
X10
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on November 30, 2019, 06:32:01 PM
I've thought about withdrawing the 4 and upping the frequency of the 4H/M. The 4 has always seemed a pretty pointless route to me.
I am currently sat at the dining room table at my Mom & Dad's house in Dunstall Road, Hasbury with 7 x 4H's per hour in total passing by (inc Diamond & NXWM 4H's), all carrying very few passangers & more fresh air, some journey's aren't far off following each other.
It certainly doesn't need a frequency increase!
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 11:34:13 AM
I am currently sat at the dining room table at my Mom & Dad's house in Dunstall Road, Hasbury with 7 x 4H's per hour in total passing by (inc Diamond & NXWM 4H's), all carrying very few passangers & more fresh air, some journey's aren't far off following each other.
It certainly doesn't need a frequency increase!
If there's 7 journeys on the 4H currently following eachother (on different operators) then someone needs to tell their route managers for that route, whether that be one of us or a Driver. As I know it's know nice to see two services running together even if it's two different operators.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 04, 2019, 11:41:31 AM
If there's 7 journeys on the 4H currently following eachother (on different operators) then someone needs to tell their route managers for that route, whether that be one of us or a Driver. As I know it's know nice to see two services running together even if it's two different operators.
That's not what I said, I said 'some', there's an NXWM & Diamond journey every hour that are not spaced far apart because of the difference in frequencies between the two operators. Those journey's can end up following each other.
Update:
A Diamond 4H has just gone past with a handful of passangers on, with an NXWM 4H approx 2-3 mins begind that with another NXWM 4H less than 30 seconds behind that.
The Gorsty Hill section of the 4H is very busy on a late afternoon with halesowen college students and workers coming off Coombes Wood Business Park it is surprising aside from the students how many use the Diamond Value tickets. There is a hardcore of NXWM users who let the Diamond fly by mind you many Diamonds simply fly past the stops to be fair as there not very good a stopping at the stops to pick up and set down passengers NXWM drivers seem to understand the idea of picking up and setting down passengers a lot more it's just the NXWM 4H is very unreliable a lot of the time with large gaps.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 11:50:05 AM
That's not what I said, I said 'some', there's an NXWM & Diamond journey every hour that are not spaced far apart because of the difference in frequencies between the two operators. Those journey's can end up following each other.
Update:
A Diamond 4H has just gone past with a handful of passangers on, with an NXWM 4H approx 2-3 mins begind that with another NXWM 4H less than 30 seconds behind that.
Now you know how useless NX are on daytime frequency on the 4H. Most of the time the NXWM aren't scheduled to be with the diamond, but more often than not they appear together. Diamond usually first one up the hill out of Halesowen due to the fact it doesn't need to go round the stupid Halesowen island to go back up the hill
Have to agree totally with that mind you it is always a bonus when a Diamond actually makes it up Gorsty Hill !
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 04, 2019, 01:02:18 PM
Now you know how useless NX are on daytime frequency on the 4H. Most of the time the NXWM aren't scheduled to be with the diamond, but more often than not they appear together. Diamond usually first one up the hill out of Halesowen due to the fact it doesn't need to go round the stupid Halesowen island to go back up the hill
I don't base my opinion's on just 2 hours of seeing the coming & going's on just one day alone.
That said, Diamond seemed to carry more than NXWM by Dunstall Road average approx 6-8 passengers, NXWM typically 4 or under. However, by Dunstall Road, most passangers from Halesowen will have disembarked & it then shifts to picking up again for Halesowen & beyond....
Another factor is Halesowen Bus Station as they do not pick up together most people unless they are NXWM ticket holders always seem to wait at the Diamond departure gates as their service is more frequent additionally oddly you see a lot of the time the outbound to Walsall NXWM 4H if there is no one to set down just skip the bus station and head off past the police station personally I only ever use the Diamond one its always more fun and the drivers do not have the very bad attitude problem the Walsall NXWM drivers seem to have if due to personal devilment I need to visit Merry Hell I always get the 3, 14A or 24 as the Pensnett drivers are a lot friendlier and chipper I never the get the 4M the Walsall drivers are such a sour faced lot. The Diamond drivers are much more friendlier especially if your learn a few phrases of the drivers native language.
A Diamond 4H (30816 I think in two tone blue) has just been followed up by an NXWM 4H approx 20 sec apart - Daft !
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
A Diamond 4H (30816 I think in two tone blue) has just been followed up by an NXWM 4H approx 20 sec apart - Daft !
Yes the service really should on Bus Alliance Partnership like 42/3 31/2 as the current situation benefits no one if and it's a big if Andy Street gets reelected sadly i think the power of prayer may not be enough I understand he wants a move to more of them being set up.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Yes the service really should on Bus Alliance Partnership like 42/3 31/2 as the current situation benefits no one if and it's a big if Andy Street gets reelected sadly i think the power of prayer may not be enough I understand he wants a move to more of them being set up.
Whilst a jointly operated service would benefit passengers & provide a coordinated / regular frequency, there's clearly little benefit to the operators themselves to go down that route, that's always going to be the stumbling block.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's a problem along the route and that's why there running arse over toe around Hayeley Green following each other. It also doesn't help its two different operators so their fighting for passengers. If only it could be brought into the 21st century by a proper partnership service like the 42/43 & 31/32. I again wouldn't be surprised if this will be the next service to become jointly operated. I haven't heard of anything, but how's to say it won't happen. There definitely needs to be more like the 42/43 & 31/32 partnerships.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:34:10 PM
Whilst a jointly operated service would benefit passengers & provide a coordinated / regular frequency, there's clearly little benefit to the operators themselves to go down that route, that's always going to be the stumbling block.
I don't think that's a problem. I've heard that both operators are happy with the way things are going for these routes. Not holding my breath to say that there's definite room for more like this.
Going back to my previous, post.
If these routes were to become a jointly operated service, it may mean that Diamond may think of reintroducing the 4M. Again not holsing my breath, but if it does come to a partnership route then who's to say they won't.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 04, 2019, 02:39:56 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if there's a problem along the route and that's why there running arse over toe around Hayeley Green following each other. It also doesn't help its two different operators so their fighting for passengers. If only it could be brought into the 21st century by a proper partnership service like the 42/43 & 31/32. I again wouldn't be surprised if this will be the next service to become jointly operated. I haven't heard of anything, but how's to say it won't happen. There definitely needs to be more like the 42/43 & 31/32 partnerships.
Same again, a Diamond, NXWM, Diamond over the space of 5 mins, oh add another NXWM 30 secs behind the last one - at least they're moving the air around. Rediculous.
Maybe things may start to run a bit smoother when the M5 Viaduct Roadways are finished, which I understand is very close.
As I said above, unless there's any benefit / incentive for operators, why should they jointly operate the route. The 4's was the service that was meant to be jointly operated, only no agreement could be reached with operators, hence why the 31/32 & 42/43 was chosen.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 04, 2019, 02:42:54 PM
I don't think that a problem. I've heard that both operators are happy with the way things are going for these routes. Not holding my breath to say that there's definite room for more like tist.
There make be a slightly higher chance of something happening jointly with the 4's in the future, as Diamond & NXWM Pvr's are too far apart. But something like the 50's or 16's in Birmingham isn't going to happen where there's a big difference in Pvr & frequencies, why should NXWM give up lucrative revenue & profit to a competing operator?
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Same again, a Diamond, NXWM, Diamond over the space of 5 mins, oh add another NXWM 30 secs behind the last one - at least they're moving the air around. Rediculous.
As I said above, unless there's any benefit / incentive for operators, why should they jointly operate the route. The 4's was the service that was meant to be jointly operated, only no agreement could be reached with operators, hence why the 31/32 & 42/43 was chosen.
I grant you that, but as I said from what I've heard the current services are going from strength to strength, so who's not to say that they are looking at more route one of which could be the 4's. Again not saying it won't be but there's always a chance of something.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Same again, a Diamond, NXWM, Diamond over the space of 5 mins, oh add another NXWM 30 secs behind the last one - at least they're moving the air around. Rediculous.
As I said above, unless there's any benefit / incentive for operators, why should they jointly operate the route. The 4's was the service that was meant to be jointly operated, only no agreement could be reached with operators, hence why the 31/32 & 42/43 was chosen.
Diamond are the winning operator round here. Offering higher frequency and most of the time stick to a timetable, and therefore are winning the competition between Hayley green and blackheath. After blackheath pick up loadings decrease a lot to nx, due to there much higher frequency and people having nx travelcards. Hardly anyone round Hayley green has a only nx traveldcard, and in fact instead many purchase the diamond monthly tickets where they can get to Halesowen, Oldbury, blackheath, West Brom and merry hill. These places are typically where is folks go to shop
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 04, 2019, 02:52:33 PM
I grant you that, but as I said from what I've heard the current services are going from strength to strength, so who's not to say that they are looking at more route one of which could be the 4's. Again not saying it won't be but there's always a chance of something.
That's not the version I've heard from an operators perspective, I think it may depend on who you hear it from.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Same again, a Diamond, NXWM, Diamond over the space of 5 mins, oh add another NXWM 30 secs behind the last one - at least they're moving the air around. Rediculous.
Maybe things may start to run a bit smoother when the M5 Viaduct Roadways are finished, which I understand is very close.
As I said above, unless there's any benefit / incentive for operators, why should they jointly operate the route. The 4's was the service that was meant to be jointly operated, only no agreement could be reached with operators, hence why the 31/32 & 42/43 was chosen.
Everything now is completely dependent on the May Mayoral elections for the WMCA and what powers under The Bus Services Act the elected mayor chooses to use the current incumbent has no plans to increase his statutory powers I understand however under the Act the Bus Alliance Agreement can simply be imposed on the operators without choice I understand that is not the current incumbents plans though.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
There make be a slightly higher chance of something happening jointly with the 4's in the future, as Diamond & NXWM Pvr's are too far apart. But something like the 50's or 16's in Birmingham isn't going to happen where there's a big difference in Pvr & frequencies, why should NXWM give up lucrative revenue & profit to a competing operator?
I understand there's some way to go especially with the routes you mention. I'm only talking about the 4's not the 50's and 16's. But again who's to say that they can't make a route work that has a different PVR. I understand that it would be costly for one operator than the other, but if they want to mak it work then they will, regardless of PVR's
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 04, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Diamond are the winning operator round here. Offering higher frequency and most of the time stick to a timetable, and therefore are winning the competition between Hayley green and blackheath. After blackheath pick up loadings decrease a lot to nx, due to there much higher frequency and people having nx travelcards. Hardly anyone round Hayley green has a only nx traveldcard, and in fact instead many purchase the diamond monthly tickets where they can get to Halesowen, Oldbury, blackheath, West Brom and merry hill. These places are typically where is folks go to shop
From loadings where they're passing me on Dunstall Road, I'd tend to agree with that statement based on my obs from today. Can't comment on the overall picture though & as I said I'm on the part of the route where the passangers shift from getting off/to heading towards Halesowen, so not a true picture.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 02:55:11 PM
That's not the version I've heard from an operators perspective, I think it may depend on who you hear it from.
Under the Bus Services Act the operators would powerless to stop the plans of the elected mayor of the WMCA they would only have to impose an AQPS.
The way in which an Advanced Quality Partnership proposal should be developed
and implemented is summarised in the flow chart below:
1-
WMCA
gives public notice
of its intention to
prepare an AQPS
2-
WMCA must then
prepare and publish its draft
proposals
3-
WMCA consults.
4-
Mandatory consultees
include operators
affected.
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The Act sets
out further detail on the
other parties to be
consulted
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WMCA amends the AQPS
as it sees fit in response to
consultation responses
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WMCA
introduces the
AQPS
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 02:56:22 PM
Everything now is completely dependent on the May Mayoral elections for the WMCA and what powers under The Bus Services Act the elected mayor chooses to use the current incumbent has no plans to increase his statutory powers I understand however under the Act the Bus Alliance Agreement can simply be imposed on the operators without choice I understand that is not the current incumbents plans though.
I don't see how it can be imposed on an operator without choice, I don't know all the clauses in the Bus Alliance Agreements that they're signed up for, however, equally I sure they'll be get out clauses for the operators as well. I don't see how TfWM can't just simply take control of commercially operated routes & kick NXWM or Diamond off them if they won't operate them jointly. TfWM could make things more difficult to encourage them or even incentivise them to work togther....
The only way I can see TfWM ever taking control of the entire WM bus network would be to re-regulate the market and acquire all the commercial routes, depots & posisbly fleets as a compuslory purchase. Otherwise, it's not going to get off the starting blocks. Bus operators are not just going to sit back & effectively give away their businesses when they shareholders to answer to.
Additionally, not one Transport Authority has actually got far enough to impose it, NEXUS in Tyne & Wear have got the closest & we all know how that ended....
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 03:01:49 PM
Under the Bus Services Act the operators would powerless to stop the plans of the elected mayor of the WMCA they would only have to impose an AQPS.
If that's the case then, why didn't TfWM enforce it on the 4's? Instead oopting to go to Plan B (31/32 & 42/43) becuase operators on the 4's weren't so keen.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 03:37:38 PM
If that's the case then, why didn't TfWM enforce it on the 4's? Instead oopting to go to Plan B (31/32 & 42/43) becuase operators on the 4's weren't so keen.
It had not passed into statute then Winston and so a Statutory Quality Partnership Agreement was used. I was part of the team that drafted the legislation the powers within it are huge if an authority or mayor wants an AQPS then the operators have very little say or legal redress to stop it there is a 2nd part of the act is the Enhanced Partnerships which can also be imposed whilst the 3rd part of the act is Franchising the mad idea TfGM seem to be hell bent on pushing through sadly. The AQPS however would allow the 4H to be better spaced and coordinated one of the pieces of evidence used to draw up the act was the operators refusals to allow a SQPA on the 4H so we drew into the legislation a mandatory system rather than one of agreement.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 03:34:56 PM
I don't see how it can be imposed on an operator without choice, I don't know all the clauses in the Bus Alliance Agreements that they're signed up for, however, equally I sure they'll be get out clauses for the operators as well. I don't see how TfWM can't just simply take control of commercially operated routes & kick NXWM or Diamond off them if they won't operate them jointly. TfWM could make things more difficult to encourage them or even incentivise them to work togther....
The only way I can see TfWM ever taking control of the entire WM bus network would be to re-regulate the market and acquire all the commercial routes, depots & posisbly fleets as a compuslory purchase. Otherwise, it's not going to get off the starting blocks. Bus operators are not just going to sit back & effectively give away their businesses when they shareholders to answer to.
Additionally, not one Transport Authority has actually got far enough to impose it, NEXUS in Tyne & Wear have got the closest & we all know how that ended....
Reregulation is the 3rd part of the Act Franchising, need I say any more!other than NEXUS failed because it did not have the powers granted under the new act. I personally feel that should be a matter of last resort after the other options have failed.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 03:47:20 PM
It had not passed into statute then Winston and so a Statutory Quality Partnership Agreement was used. I was part of the team that drafted the legislation the powers within it are huge if an authority or mayor wants an AQPS then the operators have very little say or legal redress to stop it there is a 2nd part of the act is the Enhanced Partnerships which can also be imposed whilst the 3rd part of the act is Franchising the mad idea TfGM seem to be hell bent on pushing through sadly. The AQPS however would allow the 4H to be better spaced and coordinated one of the pieces of evidence used to draw up the act was the operators refusals to allow a SQPA on the 4H so we drew into the legislation a mandatory system rather than one of agreement.
I can't argue as I'm not a legal eagle & don't know all the in's & outs. But put simply, you're basically suggesting that the Mayor (Andy Street) has the power to effectively take control of all NXWM's commercial routes, NX Group & their shareholders can do nothing about it, should they wish to use that power.
The thing I don't understand, why are the Mayor's so reluctant to use these powers?
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 03:59:09 PM
I can't argue as I'm not a legal eagle & don't know all the in's & outs. But put simply, you're basically suggesting that the Mayor (Andy Street) has the power to effectively take control of all NXWM's commercial routes, NX Group & their shareholders can do nothing about it, should they wish to use that power.
The thing I don't understand, why are the Mayor's so reluctant to use these powers?
Yes Winston exactly. A Conservative Mayor would not use his powers against one of the West Midlands biggest and most successfully businesses when he can get voluntary agreements well not if wants me advising the WMCA anyway its as simple as that but beware a mayor from another party.
Personally I believe that councils and the combined authorities should be allowed to set up their own operations or force franchising on operators. What we need is a Mayor whose not obsessed with trams or Sprint and more keen to curb the powers of fat cat companies who can reduce or cancel services with only 72 days notice.
In my opinion there should be only two service change dates allowed with those tying up with the national rail timetable, with tender rounds commencing on those two dates as well, with a minimum 6 month notice period (with a 2 month consultation period as part of it.)
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 04, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
Personally I believe that councils and the combined authorities should be allowed to set up their own operations or force franchising on operators. What we need is a Mayor whose not obsessed with trams or Sprint and more keen to curb the powers of fat cat companies who can reduce or cancel services with only 72 days notice.
In my opinion there should be only two service change dates allowed with those tying up with the national rail timetable, with tender rounds commencing on those two dates as well, with a minimum 6 month notice period (with a 2 month consultation period as part of it.)
When the evidence was produced to the select committies it was found that Birmingham & The Black Country had the best bus service outside London with the lowest average fares and 93% commercial with the lowest burden on ratepayers so why on earth would you want to change the status quo the current Mayor is quite right to concentrate on Light Rail & Sprint as the funding for these schemes cannot be used for bus.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
When the evidence was produced to the select committies it was found that Birmingham & The Black Country had the best bus service outside London with the lowest average fares and 93% commercial with the lowest burden on ratepayers so why on earth would you want to change the status quo the current Mayor is quite right to concentrate on Light Rail & Sprint as the funding for these schemes cannot be used for bus.
As I've said previously, extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre costing hundreds of millions & creating no end of disruption to buses serving the City (from the West) benefits very few, even worse these extensions are walking distance. Introducing new Metro lines such as the Wednesbury to Brierly Hill via Merry Hill will be far more beneficial, creates new journey opportunities and has the potential to remove some cars off the road.
I know Sprint is marketed as a tram, but effectively it is just an articulated bus.
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2019, 05:59:53 PM
As I've said previously, extending the Metro short distances within B'ham City Centre costing hundreds of millions & creating no end of disruption to buses serving the City (from the West) benefits very few, even worse these extensions are walking distance. Introducing new Metro lines such as the Wednesbury to Brierly Hill via Merry Hill will be far more beneficial, creates new journey opportunities and has the potential to remove some cars off the road.
I know Sprint is marketed as a tram, but effectively it is just an articulated bus.
To be honest I agree Winston but the funding for these projects could not be used for improving normal bus services so as infrastructure projects and the employment they create they can only benefit the West Midlands in the long term.
You are incorrect about enhanced partnerships, these cannot be "imposed" on operators. There is an objection method in which operators can stop the ep if they do not agree. Basically is all about "partnerships" & we are fortunate in the West Midlands that the authority & operators have a close working relationship which allows these schemes to progress without much contention between parties. That's why imo we wont go down the franchise route in the West Midlands because as a group of individuals we're all working to the same goal.
Quote from: Steveminor on December 04, 2019, 08:27:28 PM
You are incorrect about enhanced partnerships, these cannot be "imposed" on operators. There is an objection method in which operators can stop the ep if they do not agree. Basically is all about "partnerships" & we are fortunate in the West Midlands that the authority & operators have a close working relationship which allows these schemes to progress without much contention between parties. That's why imo we wont go down the franchise route in the West Midlands because as a group of individuals we're all working to the same goal.
Yes Steve I fully agree partnerships work so well in the West Midlands and none of us want it here what TfGM are proposing and technically it can be stopped by the operators but would it be in their interest? however I am not talking about our Mayor but if the operators object to the AQPS and EP the Mayor will most likely move on to the Franchise system that is what I meant by imposed my phrasing was poor it is not in the operators interest to object to AQPS or EP as the Mayor can use his powers to propose the the Franchise method ultimately that is how we drafted the legislation.as a carrot and stick approach with the 3 clearly defined strategy the AQPS, EP & Franchise as I discussed with.you at the West Midlands Bus Alliance public meeting on the 21st May.
Personally I'm not a fan of these partnership routes (31/32 etc). My gut feeling is if Diamond and NX run routes together then how long till the Diamond weekly and monthly tickets will go up in value. Competition helps keep bus fares down and provides more buses for passengers to choose from.
Quote from: Lukeee on December 04, 2019, 10:39:40 PM
Personally I'm not a fan of these partnership routes (31/32 etc). My gut feeling is if Diamond and NX run routes together then how long till the Diamond weekly and monthly tickets will go up in value. Competition helps keep bus fares down and provides more buses for passengers to choose from.
I am.a big fan of compeition and unlike others feel Transport Act 1986 was the best thing that ever happeneed however we cannot get away from the fact year on year bus usership is falling across the board even London. The alliances are one way to make buses more attractive and make life simplier I always strongly argue that entry fares should be pegged at existing values hence a Diamomd Value Day & Week valid on NXWM & vice versa with Daysavers etc.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 04, 2019, 10:53:13 PM
I am.a big fan of compeition and unlike others feel Transport Act 1986 was the best thing that ever happeneed however we cannot get away from the fact year on year bus usership is falling across the board even London. The alliances are one way to make buses more attractive and make life simplier I always strongly argue that entry fares should be pegged at existing values hence a Diamomd Value Day & Week valid on NXWM & vice versa with Daysavers etc.
Isn't praising competition, then praising quality partnerships where there is no competition a bit of a contradiction
Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2019, 06:26:14 AM
Isn't praising competition, then praising quality partnerships where there is no competition a bit of a contradiction
Sadly after all research into the industry we did for the drafting of the act with my heart I would be more than happy with the status quo and keep full deregulation, as a realist with bus patronage falling so heavily in England & Wales and even here in the West Midlands I have been persuaded that the customer should be offered a model that is more attractive and personally I feel partnerships are the way forward I see what is wrong with the current system 6 days a week with constantly your 4H following a Diamond 4H up Gorsty Hill then nothing for 15 Min's that to me is sending out the wrong message to customers of an industry incapable of organizing itself.
An example of where a partnership agreement would work is on the Blackheath to Merry Hill a very popular route but if you just stand in bus stop at Salnsbury's the comments of a 4M stuck in front of 3 is worth standing in the stop alone for its gives a bad image of two buses to Merry Hill leaving together yes I know the 3 does Brickhouse & Saltwells but if the 3A was axed and the 14 rerouted via Stuart Rd with the 14A doing the reverse of Bell End a 20 min frequency on the 3 could coordinate with the 4M and the customer gets a 10mim frequency to Merry Hill equally get the E40Ds off the 13A and 13 & put the Omnis back on at 20 Min's frequency then the X8 & 13A would offer a 10min fitted timetable to Brum since July the X8 & 13A are always fighting into the marketplace together at 35Min's again now the cut of the 13A has not gone down well its the image being portrayed to the customer of an uncoordinated shambles that's where I think partnerships would work on routes with no competition.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 05, 2019, 07:14:12 AM
An example of where a partnership agreement would work is on the Blackheath to Merry Hill a very popular route but if you just stand in bus stop at Salnsbury's the comments of a 4M stuck in front of 3 is worth standing in the stop alone for its gives a bad image of two buses to Merry Hill leaving together yes I know the 3 does Brickhouse & Saltwells but if the 3A was axed and the 14 rerouted via Stuart Rd with the 14A doing the reverse of Bell End a 20 min frequency on the 3 could coordinate with the 4M and the customer gets a 10mim frequency to Merry Hill equally get the E40Ds off the 13A and 13 & put the Omnis back on at 20 Min's frequency then the X8 & 13A would offer a 10min fitted timetable to Brum since July the X8 & 13A are always fighting into the marketplace together at 35Min's again now the cut of the 13A has not gone down well its the image being portrayed to the customer of an uncoordinated shambles that's where I think partnerships would work on routes with no competition.
Stuart Road has had at least an every 30 minute frequency as long as I remember, is it really a good idea to reduce it to hourly?
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 05, 2019, 01:31:03 PM
Stuart Road has had at least an every 30 minute frequency as long as I remember, is it really a good idea to reduce it to hourly?
The days of the 128 & 129 are long gone I know Stuart Road very well all my relatives are buried in St Giles and I was baptized and confirmed there it had the 238 every 20 mins at one point but honestly when I am on the 3A I cannot remember when I saw any one get on or off on it. Bell End, Spies Lane, Kent Road & Perry Park have all seen frequency reductions without a massive outcry increasing the main service up Hanover Road would surely be preferable and the little E200s on the 14 would help the drivers with the horrendous double parking in Stuart Road.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 05, 2019, 07:14:12 AM
An example of where a partnership agreement would work is on the Blackheath to Merry Hill a very popular route but if you just stand in bus stop at Salnsbury's the comments of a 4M stuck in front of 3 is worth standing in the stop alone for its gives a bad image of two buses to Merry Hill leaving together yes I know the 3 does Brickhouse & Saltwells but if the 3A was axed and the 14 rerouted via Stuart Rd with the 14A doing the reverse of Bell End a 20 min frequency on the 3 could coordinate with the 4M and the customer gets a 10mim frequency to Merry Hill equally get the E40Ds off the 13A and 13 & put the Omnis back on at 20 Min's frequency then the X8 & 13A would offer a 10min fitted timetable to Brum since July the X8 & 13A are always fighting into the marketplace together at 35Min's again now the cut of the 13A has not gone down well its the image being portrayed to the customer of an uncoordinated shambles that's where I think partnerships would work on routes with no competition.
The 3 (in my opinion) just mirrors off the smaller estates the 4M stops outside of. You've mentioned the Brickhouse which the 4M stops outside of, you've even got the 24 going along the border with the 3 connecting to it. The 3 isn't really that much of an 'important service' as you are trying to put, people in Blackheath would pick the 4M out of the rest because they don't want to be dwinding down on a bus through every estate (yes the 3 and 4M take around the same time to get to Mezza, but the 4M does beat it by a few minutes...)
The 4M serves more key areas than the 3 as well, Cradley Heath Station, Quarry Bank etc...
Something the 4M needs is a frequency increase because the route is quite important, being probably one of the most important in the Black Country with all the key links...
I can see your point about moving the 3 off Stuart Road, it doesn't help that longer buses can get stuck with parking on both sides.
Bell End/Mincing Lane (again) these roads are only short length and there's more frequent routes at either end, yes you did have the 127 serving it but I don't really see what point the 14A gives to that small section just being a handful of the same people... You've also got Britannia Road... I'm sure most people would walk to either end to get a more frequent route rather than a tendered service going everywhere before reaching Merry Hill.
One thing I could suggest to not lose time on the 4M would be to skip out Rowley Regis Hospital as it can take some time getting up and down from there, but that woud never happen with them removing the 3 and just the hourly 24...
Quote from: Jack on December 05, 2019, 08:22:55 PM
The 3 (in my opinion) just mirrors off the smaller estates the 4M stops outside of. You've mentioned the Brickhouse which the 4M stops outside of, you've even got the 24 going along the border with the 3 connecting to it. The 3 isn't really that much of an 'important service' as you are trying to put, people in Blackheath would pick the 4M out of the rest because they don't want to be dwinding down on a bus through every estate (yes the 3 and 4M take around the same time to get to Mezza, but the 4M does beat it by a few minutes...)
The 4M serves more key areas than the 3 as well, Cradley Heath Station, Quarry Bank etc...
Something the 4M needs is a frequency increase because the route is quite important, being probably one of the most important in the Black Country with all the key links...
I can see your point about moving the 3 off Stuart Road, it doesn't help that longer buses can get stuck with parking on both sides.
Bell End/Mincing Lane (again) these roads are only short length and there's more frequent routes at either end, yes you did have the 127 serving it but I don't really see what point the 14A gives to that small section just being a handful of the same people... You've also got Britannia Road... I'm sure most people would walk to either end to get a more frequent route rather than a tendered service going everywhere before reaching Merry Hill.
One thing I could suggest to not lose time on the 4M would be to skip out Rowley Regis Hospital as it can take some time getting up and down from there, but that woud never happen with them removing the 3 and just the hourly 24...
Very good well argued points there; top man; however I don't think my 71 year old cousin who has just had a new hip would be too happy walking down to Oldbury Rd or from Tesco Express who lives in Uplands Avenue off Bell End and always uses the 14 it is vital these links continue for everyone to access public transport imagine the extra burden on Ring & ride without them. I think you need a regular service such as the 4M from Sandwell Hospital to Rowley Hospital I have on more than one occasion attended an out patients appointment at one and ended up at the other using the 4M so that link is vital to our community. I also have to say the residents of Lion Farm regard the 3 as an important service. There is no sound business case for increasing the 4M the churn rate above the current frequency would reduce the break even ratio on the route which is not a sound business method. My argument is by tweaking the 3 into a fitted timetable with the 4M a 10 minuet frequency to the benefit of all passengers to Merry Hill would be created albeit by different routes but mate I really can see where your coming from with those comments they are a valuable insight from a younger busman and you are the future of buses aa to where the priorities should lie from your perspective Merry Hill to Blackheath to Oldbury we need more of these.CHEERS
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 05, 2019, 08:46:04 PM
Very good well argued points there; top man; however I don't think my 71 year old cousin who has just had a new hip would be too happy walking down to Oldbury Rd or from Tesco Express who lives in Uplands Avenue off Bell End and always uses the 14 it is vital these links continue for everyone to access public transport imagine the extra burden on Ring & ride without them. I think you need a regular service such as the 4M from Sandwell Hospital to Rowley Hospital I have on more than one occasion attended an out patients appointment at one and ended up at the other using the 4M so that link is vital to our community. I also have to say the residents of Lion Farm regard the 3 as an important service. There is no sound business case for increasing the 4M the churn rate above the current frequency would reduce the break even ratio on the route which is not a sound business method. My argument is by tweaking the 3 into a fitted timetable with the 4M a 10 minuet frequency to the benefit of all passengers to Merry Hill would be created albeit by different routes but mate I really can see where your coming from with those comments they are a valuable insight from a younger busman and you are the future of buses aa to where the priorities should lie from your perspective Merry Hill to Blackheath to Oldbury we need more of these.CHEERS
Of course, not everyone likes changes, but you get use to it after a while. The 4M link to Rowley Regis Hospital is vital, seeing as it's really the only commercial service to go up there now. You had the 289 (3) and the old 208 but it does get chaotic at times, especially with people parking for cemetery along Moor Lane. I do think Rowley Regis Hospital does need a better service that connects to Dudley, I mean it's fine if you want go all round the Black Country on the journey the 24 takes...
Lion Farm is really served by the 3 but if they rerouted it to not serve Stuart Road and re-route the 3A to do a loop up Hanover Road and down Stuart Road to Throne Road I'm sure it would help.
The main thing the 4M suffers (like other services) is the amount of traffic hotspots it gets into: getting in and out of Merry Hill can be chaos at this time of year and then it leads to Quarry Bank like a car park. Blackheath can be a particularly en route to Mezza, those traffic lights at the Oldbury Road/Henderson Way junction seem to be out of sync. Birchley Island/J2 is probably the worst, seems worse on the Merry Hill direction because getting onto the roundabout you have to wait until it's safe to go onto it with no traffic lights and it does back itself up. All Saints Way can be very clear but when the M5 is blocked then All Saints Way is blocked and then holds all surrounding roads and areas up... Stone Cross can get congested too during rush hour too. The 4 and 4H suffer all these (well upto Blackheath).
With the 4/4H/4M being quite important services I'd of thought they'd be getting upgraded, but if I remember correctly they only got upgraded when Diamond got the Centro's back in 2008/2009.
Quote from: Jack on December 06, 2019, 12:00:50 AM
Of course, not everyone likes changes, but you get use to it after a while. The 4M link to Rowley Regis Hospital is vital, seeing as it's really the only commercial service to go up there now. You had the 289 (3) and the old 208 but it does get chaotic at times, especially with people parking for cemetery along Moor Lane. I do think Rowley Regis Hospital does need a better service that connects to Dudley, I mean it's fine if you want go all round the Black Country on the journey the 24 takes...
Lion Farm is really served by the 3 but if they rerouted it to not serve Stuart Road and re-route the 3A to do a loop up Hanover Road and down Stuart Road to Throne Road I'm sure it would help.
The main thing the 4M suffers (like other services) is the amount of traffic hotspots it gets into: getting in and out of Merry Hill can be chaos at this time of year and then it leads to Quarry Bank like a car park. Blackheath can be a particularly en route to Mezza, those traffic lights at the Oldbury Road/Henderson Way junction seem to be out of sync. Birchley Island/J2 is probably the worst, seems worse on the Merry Hill direction because getting onto the roundabout you have to wait until it's safe to go onto it with no traffic lights and it does back itself up. All Saints Way can be very clear but when the M5 is blocked then All Saints Way is blocked and then holds all surrounding roads and areas up... Stone Cross can get congested too during rush hour too. The 4 and 4H suffer all these (well upto Blackheath).
With the 4/4H/4M being quite important services I'd of thought they'd be getting upgraded, but if I remember correctly they only got upgraded when Diamond got the Centro's back in 2008/2009.
Yes I really agree with you there on those points I am.surprised NXWM hasnt upgraded the 4s with E200s as with the Brum 4s but continue with those tatty down at heal Volvos on the 4H you would have thought they would cascade the surplus YW E200S to it it is odd & your are quite correct the last upgrade for Diamond were the Black Diamond Plaxton.Centros.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 12:11:37 AM
Yes I really agree with you there on those points I am.surprised NXWM hasnt upgraded the 4s with E200s as with the Brum 4s but continue with those tatty down at heal Volvos on the 4H you would have thought they would cascade the surplus YW E200S to it it is odd & your are quite correct the last upgrade for Diamond were the Black Diamond Plaxton.Centros.
The 4 isn't run by 'down at heel' Volvos. 11 E200MMC at YW is nowhere near enough buses to run the 4. Every full size Single deck at Walsall has had a refurb since those were delivered so is smarter anyway.
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2019, 06:31:05 AM
The 4 isn't run by 'down at heel' Volvos. 11 E200MMC at YW is nowhere near enough buses to run the 4. Every full size Single deck at Walsall has had a refurb since those were delivered so is smarter anyway.
The 4/H/M isn't even operated by Volvos it's Scanias.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 06, 2019, 07:16:07 AM
The 4/H/M isn't even operated by Volvos it's Scanias.
It does see them quite often, not as much no since the 45 but you do get them on it often.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 12:11:37 AM
Yes I really agree with you there on those points I am.surprised NXWM hasnt upgraded the 4s with E200s as with the Brum 4s but continue with those tatty down at heal Volvos on the 4H you would have thought they would cascade the surplus YW E200S to it it is odd & your are quite correct the last upgrade for Diamond were the Black Diamond Plaxton.Centros.
I think that could be the worst upgrade 😂 those E200MMC's down have the strength the Omnilinks and B7RLE's have, the hills the 4M goes up are probably the worst ones you get anywhere, the Omnilinks do struggle but they are tough up them hills, Powke Lane isn't one you'd fancy walking up. Also I'm not sure the E200MMC's will actually do some of the tight corners on the 4M with their shoddy turning circle, I don't think they'd get round Rowley Hospital in one piece, and I can't see them getting round in one piece. Also I'm not sure how they manage the bumps at Cradley Heath, they have quite low suspension so I'd imagine it would damage them underneath. I'm not sure if one of WB's has creeped onto the 3 but if one has I'd be surprised how it got along Stuart Road...
One suggestion that has popped up into my head is if the 3A was to do the loop I earlier suggested, then I would re-route the 3 to go up Mincing Lane and then Bell End upto to Tesco Express, I mean that sounds a little pointless, but at least they've still got a bus service, frequency like the old 127 instead of the 14A.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 06, 2019, 07:16:07 AM
The 4/H/M isn't even operated by Volvos it's Scanias.
If you used the NXWM 4H which you obviously do not you will find Volvo B7s on it most days alongside the Scanias .
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 08:00:12 AM
If you used the NXWM 4H which you obviously do not you will find Volvo B7s on it most days alongside the Scanias .
The E200's fo creep onto them if you want to include them.
Quote from: Jack on December 06, 2019, 08:03:48 AM
The E200's fo creep onto them if you want to include them.
Yes quite right Jack even the short wheel bases too.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 08:16:43 AM
Yes quite right Jack even the short wheel bases too.
Walsall don't have any SWB? It's just 8** examples.
Quote from: Jack on December 06, 2019, 08:18:17 AM
Walsall don't have any SWB? It's just 8** examples.
I have only ever seen one on it once & that was well over a year ago it was a funny sight and yes its always the 8** ones know.
A earlier 4M from blackheath to merry hill would be benifit all the staff working there who start at between 5&6am.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on December 06, 2019, 09:16:50 AM
A earlier 4M from blackheath to merry hill would be benifit all the staff working there who start at between 5&6am.
Ok I will raise the matter at the next meeting on the 28th Jan & raise the matter with NXWM management about a commercial option or to TfWM if the 14A tender could be tweeked
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 08:37:18 AM
I have only ever seen one on it once & that was well over a year ago it was a funny sight and yes its always the 8** ones know.
Walsall have never used a mini on the full 4H. PN may have done on the Sunday or Late night short journies
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
Walsall have never used a mini on the full 4H. PN may have done on the Sunday or Late night short journies
Yes Tony I was taking about the one that used to come off the 241 in Halesowen Bus Station it was equally strange to see a Trident leave completly empty with 4H Hayley Green I use the the 241/14 after 8pm regulary as its our only bus to Blackheath at this time & the bus came in as a 4H & went out as a 241.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 06, 2019, 09:41:08 AM
Yes Tony I was taking about the one that used to come off the 241 in Halesowen Bus Station it was equally strange to see a Trident leave completly empty with 4H Hayley Green I use the the 241/14 after 8pm regulary as its our only bus to Blackheath at this time & the bus came in as a 4H & went out as a 241.
My old man always comments about the 4H just before midnight that's double decker with no one board, have to explain the reason behind it.
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2019, 12:16:00 PM
My old man always comments about the 4H just before midnight that's double decker with no one board, have to explain the reason behind it.
It used to come of the 241 which was usually a Trident know I only usually see B7s & E200s now on the 14 so that ones a mystery.
Going slightly of topic I didn't know PN ran journeys on the 4H, which journeys do they run (assuming it's to reduce dead milage)
Quote from: Lukeee on December 06, 2019, 01:16:06 PM
Going slightly of topic I didn't know PN ran journeys on the 4H, which journeys do they run (assuming it's to reduce dead milage)
The Evening & Sunday Shorts on the Hasbury Circle
Quote from: Lukeee on December 06, 2019, 01:16:06 PM
Going slightly of topic I didn't know PN ran journeys on the 4H, which journeys do they run (assuming it's to reduce dead milage)
They literally run off the back off 14's evening and Sundays. They do Halesowen to Hayley Green and back (there are a couple of early morning trips as well). The double deckers during the evening are due to several 14's coming off 12 & 126 boards respectively (well at last check they did, certainly one is off a 126 all week, and one of the Sunday night trips comes off a 12, might be the case rest of the week too)
Quote from: Nathan on December 06, 2019, 03:05:47 PM
They literally run off the back off 14's evening and Sundays. They do Halesowen to Hayley Green and back (there are a couple of early morning trips as well). The double deckers during the evening are due to several 14's coming off 12 & 126 boards respectively (well at last check they did, certainly one is off a 126 all week, and one of the Sunday night trips comes off a 12, might be the case rest of the week too)
Thats good to know Nathan cheers I did wonder how I ended up with Platty on the 14 a few weeks ago on the 2015 ex Dudley.
Quote from: Nathan on December 06, 2019, 03:05:47 PM
They literally run off the back off 14's evening and Sundays. They do Halesowen to Hayley Green and back (there are a couple of early morning trips as well). The double deckers during the evening are due to several 14's coming off 12 & 126 boards respectively (well at last check they did, certainly one is off a 126 all week, and one of the Sunday night trips comes off a 12, might be the case rest of the week too)
Yh I've had a 4H at night where the driver then goes onto a 14 to Dudley and then 126 to Birmingham. Although haven't been on a late night 4H for a while
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 05, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
The days of the 128 & 129 are long gone I know Stuart Road very well all my relatives are buried in St Giles and I was baptized and confirmed there it had the 238 every 20 mins at one point but honestly when I am on the 3A I cannot remember when I saw any one get on or off on it. Bell End, Spies Lane, Kent Road & Perry Park have all seen frequency reductions without a massive outcry increasing the main service up Hanover Road would surely be preferable and the little E200s on the 14 would help the drivers with the horrendous double parking in Stuart Road.
Stuart Road has seen ALX400s, Gemini's, Metrobuses, Tridents, E400s running along it, without much bother. Still doesn't justify cutting the frequency
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 07, 2019, 12:15:24 AM
Stuart Road has seen ALX400s, Gemini's, Metrobuses, Tridents, E400s running along it, without much bother. Still doesn't justify cutting the frequency
Well the Scania 3A I was on.got stuck on Monday with the double parking and that happens on most journeys I use the route once a week and cant remember the last time anyone got on in Stuart Rd so why keep the staus quo when I never see anyone boarding or alighting in Stuart Rd if you know different let me know thats fine the buses you quote are historic from the 129 & 238 & are of no relevance in 2019 .
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 07, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Well the Scania 3A I was on.got stuck on Monday with the double parking and that happens on most journeys I use the route once a week and cant remember the last time anyone got on in Stuart Rd so why keep the staus quo when I never see anyone boarding or alighting in Stuart Rd if you know different let me know thats fine the buses you quote are historic from the 129 & 238 & are of no relevance in 2019 .
If Stuart Rd wasn't used, it wouldn't be served. The only difference between the 3 and 3A between West Bromwich and Blackheath is that the 3A serves Stuart Road and the 3 serves Portway
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 07, 2019, 12:47:31 AM
If Stuart Rd wasn't used, it wouldn't be served. The only difference between the 3 and 3A between West Bromwich and Blackheath is that the 3A serves Stuart Road and the 3 serves Portway
My comments were to axe the 3A and make the 3 every 20 mins to Merry Hill & have the E200 minis rerouted on.the 14 to serve Stuart Rd to help the drivers negotiate such an difficult road with the 14A doing Bell End in reverse and match demand to those using it I comment as a regular user who wants the best for the operators and passengers of Blackheath
Perry Park, Bell End and Kent Road have all coped with an hourly service so why wouldnt Stuart Rd for the benefit of all?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 07, 2019, 12:57:29 AM
My comments were to axe the 3A and make the 3 every 20 mins to Merry Hill & have the E200 minis rerouted on.the 14 to serve Stuart Rd to help the drivers negotiate such an difficult road with the 14A doing Bell End in reverse and match demand to those using it I comment as a regular user who wants the best for the operators and passengers of Blackheath
Perry Park, Bell End and Kent Road have all coped with an hourly service so why wouldnt Stuart Rd for the benefit of all?
I agree with you there, or you could make the 3A a circular service covering Throne Road, Stuart Road, Hanover Road, Rowley Village, Bell End/Mincing Lane, Oldbury Road and back into Throne Road, every 30 mins. And increase the 3 to every 20 mins. Tbf I don't see why they couldn't of put the 8** E200's on the 3A, and displace Omnilinks onto the more frequent 3 and onto the 49 which does see more Deckers now.
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
I agree with you there, or you could make the 3A a circular service covering Throne Road, Stuart Road, Hanover Road, Rowley Village, Bell End/Mincing Lane, Oldbury Road and back into Throne Road, every 30 mins. And increase the 3 to every 20 mins. Tbf I don't see why they couldn't of put the 8** E200's on the 3A, and displace Omnilinks onto the more frequent 3 and onto the 49 which does see more Deckers now.
Yes mate good alternative that or send the TfWM 20/1 round the loop
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 07, 2019, 04:45:36 PM
Yes mate good alternative that or send the TfWM 20/1 round the loop
To be honest, I think a few of the routes in Rowley are in need of entire rethink, a few of the changes last year weren't great, like the 13B. And the complete pointless renumbering, should of changed the number 126 to make it even.
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2019, 01:35:58 AM
To be honest, I think a few of the routes in Rowley are in need of entire rethink, a few of the changes last year weren't great, like the 13B. And the complete pointless renumbering, should of changed the number 126 to make it even.
I tottaly agree with renumbering the 126, but NX think because it's such an iconic number it should stay. Which I can see both sides of the argument.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 11:47:09 AM
I tottaly agree with renumbering the 126, but NX think because it's such an iconic number it should stay. Which I can see both sides of the argument.
The was nothing more iconic than 140 and were stuck.now with the rubbish that is the X8
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 11:52:37 AM
The was nothing more iconic than 140 and were stuck.now with the rubbish that is the X8
Everyone Kew about the 126 more that the 140 as the 126 is much more faster to Birmingham than the 140 was. Aprt from in rush hour when everything seems to come to a stand still!!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 11:52:37 AM
The was nothing more iconic than 140 and were stuck.now with the rubbish that is the X8
The whole re-numbering scheme is daft, especially now there's multiple services all with the same single digit route number. Even London don't duplicate route numbers, they're all individual.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 11:58:33 AM
The whole re-numbering scheme is daft, especially now there's multiple services all with the same single digit route number. Even London don't duplicate route numbers, they're all individual.
Yes it gets confusing at Five Ways when your asked about an 8 do the want sunny Blackheath or the deepest darkest Inner Circle it's just daft Halesowen has a 13 & so does Blackheath
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 11:58:33 AM
The whole re-numbering scheme is daft, especially now there's multiple services all with the same single digit route number. Even London don't duplicate route numbers, they're all individual.
I agree it is daft but we have to put up with it. I don't think there's any problem with having duplicate numbers. It only matters if they cross each other along the route and I don't think there's any services that are duplicate and cross each other along the route?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:04:22 PM
I agree it is daft but we have to put up with it. I don't think there's any problem with having duplicate numbers. It only matters if they cross each other along the route and I don't think there's any services that are duplicate and cross each other along the route?
2 8s and 2 10s at Five Ways
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:02:38 PM
Yes it gets confusing at Five Ways when your asked about an 8 for Blackheath or Inner Circle it's just daft Halesowen has a 13 & so does Blackheath
As I've just posted though these services don't cross each other. So there shouldn't be and confusion. It's also that the 13 is operated by a different operator. I never ask for the 8 to Blackheath I would ask for the X8. That's just the way I'd ask but everyone's different.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
2 8s and 2 10s at Five Ways
Again with the 10s one is a X route and the other is a normal 10 service. So no confusion there. As far as I can see!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
Again with the 10s one is a X route and the other is a normal 10 service. So no confusion there.
Right then explain to me why most nights I have to send passengers off to the right stop at Five Ways as they don't differentiate between A C & X ? It never happened with the 140 and don't start me on 13 & 13A that one is so stupid ending up in different towns the number of passengers who ask as I get off at Sainsburys when do we get to Oldbury is unbelievable it does confuse folk so much.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:04:22 PM
I agree it is daft but we have to put up with it. I don't think there's any problem with having duplicate numbers. It only matters if they cross each other along the route and I don't think there's any services that are duplicate and cross each other along the route?
It's not all about whilst on the ground, what about for infrequent or new passengers that are searching for timetables online that aren't familiar with the network:
Route No 3 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=3&show%5Broutes%5D=1&utm_source=nav
Route No 4 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=4&site%5Bsubmit%5D=SUBMIT
Route No 5 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=5&site%5Bsubmit%5D=SUBMIT
Even on the forum it causes confusion, as people have to post which depot & route number they're referring too
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
As I've just posted though these services don't cross each other. So there shouldn't be and confusion. It's also that the 13 is operated by a different operator. I never ask for the 8 to Blackheath I would ask for the X8. That's just the way I'd ask but everyone's different.
From me experience no one uses the prefix I think you will find the 13 & 13A are both operated by NXWM luckily in the Marketplace most Blackheath folk still say has the 140 gone yet sound folk Blackheath folk! the confusion I see at Five Ways with 2 8s and 2 10s has to be seen to be believed.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
Right then explain to me why most nights I have to send passengers off to the right stop at Five Ways as they don't differentiate between A C & X ? It never happened with the 140 and don't start me on 13 & 13A that does confuse folk so much.
Maybe they need to start saying the X10 or the 8A or 8C then. As if it's so confusing then they better get used to using the pre fix or suffex of the letters. Then they may get used to it. Not saying that us bus buffins should treat them as idiots. Just treat them as people how don't use the bus often enough to know these things and also for the people how keep asking then maybe treat them as idiots, as they should know better!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:20:23 PM
Maybe they need to start saying the X10 or the 8A or 8C then. As if it's so confusing then they better get used to using the pre fix or suffex of the letters. Then they may get used to it. Not saying that us bus buffins should treat them as idiots. Just treat them as people how don't use the bus often enough to know these things and also for the people how keep asking then maybe treat them as idiots, as they should know better!
Remember a high proportion of users in Edgbaston English is not their first language and that's were the confusion lies mind you for us Blackheath folk our first language certainly isn't the Queen's English as Frank Skinner points out regularly about a lady from the BSR who had aliens land in her garden by St Giles, they had come 1 million miles across the galaxy and understood her perfect yet I find Harborne folk struggle to understand me funny that!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:19:11 PM
From me experience no one uses the prefix I think you will find the 13 & 13A are both operated by NXWM luckily in the Marketplace most Blackheath folk still say has the 140 gone yet sound folk Blackheath folk!
Yes but they don't go to the same place as each other one goes to Oldbury and the other goes to Blackheath. Yes I grant you that they go along the same route for part of their journey but then they deviate to there terminuses. I also grant you that it's normally when another operator is on the route that people have trouble knowing which bus to get. I assumed when you said theres two 13s in Blackheath or the area of somewhere then one must be operated by another company.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:25:42 PM
Remember a high proportion of users in Edgbaston English is not their first language and that's were the confusion lies mind you for us Blackheath folk our first language certainly isn't the Queen's English as Frank Skinner points out regularly about a lady from the BSR who had aliens land in her garden by St Giles, they had come 1 million miles across the galaxy and understood her perfect yet I find Harborne folk struggle to understand me funny that!
Yes there's that problem as well. You just have to give them the benifit of the doubt when it comes to that. But when it's people how do speak English as there first language Blackheath people included then they shouldn't have any trouble.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:19:11 PM
From me experience no one uses the prefix I think you will find the 13 & 13A are both operated by NXWM luckily in the Marketplace most Blackheath folk still say has the 140 gone yet sound folk Blackheath folk! the confusion I see at Five Ways with 2 8s and 2 10s has to be seen to be believed.
When I use the X20 regularly, I hear people refer to it as the X20. I've never seen anyone refer to it as the 20, or anyone who still calls it the 98.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
Yes there's that problem as well. You just have to give them the benifit of the doubt when it comes to that. But when it's people how do speak English as there first language Blackheath people included then they shouldn't have any trouble.
Not from my experience or I wouldn't be posting I am still asked about 417 in Blackheath now wasn't that a Ludlows service not sure if I have mentioned that in the past........................
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2019, 12:30:39 PM
When I use the X20 regularly, most people refer to it as the X20. I've never seen anyone refer to it as the 20, or anyone who still calls it the 98.
I totally agree with you there. It's the same with the 8 in my area I never/very realy hear any refer to it as the X96. Even I have got uesd to it as the 8 and that's saying something.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:33:16 PM
Not from my experience or I wouldn't be posting I am still asked about 417 in Blackheath now wasn't that a Ludlows service
Yep that was a Ludlow service. Now Diamond as service 4H
Quote from: 2206 on December 08, 2019, 12:30:39 PM
When I use the X20 regularly, I hear people refer to it as the X20. I've never seen anyone refer to it as the 20, or anyone who still calls it the 98.
I've heard the X21 referred to as 'the 21' on more than one occasion.
Definitely not the X64 though. That was split between the X21 and X22 anyway.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:34:56 PM
Yep that was a Ludlow service. Now Diamond as service 4H
Going back onto the topic if you use buses regularly there is no problem with the single digits but for the occasional traveller I am amazed at the confusion it causes and forget even the 289 I am was asked outside Sainsburys this morning has the 238 gone yet in Blackheath it is funny how Edgbaston, Selly Oak & Weoley Castle struggle with my Blackheath accent & on Friday while waiting for the 002 in Field Lane a bloke said to me when asking for peoples thoughts on the 002 "Your not from round here are you mate". Priceless.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 12:42:03 PM
Going back onto the topic if you use buses regularly there is no problem with the single digits but for the occasional traveller I am amazed at the confusion it causes and forget even the 289 I am was asked outside Sainsburys this morning has the 238 gone yet in Blackheath it is funny how Edgbaston, Selly Oak & Weoley Castle struggle with my Blackheath accent & on Friday while waiting for the 002 in Field Lane a bloke said to me when asking for peoples thoughts on the 002 "Your not from round here are you mate". Priceless.
I get where you're coming from but still if a person is asking for the 8 at Five Ways I would say there's no 8 around here unless you want the inner circle 8A/8C. I think when NX think up these single digits they don't think waht confusion to may cause for the unseasoned traveller!!! For us boffins we know what wave length NX work to, but for the unseasoned traveller they don't.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
I get where you're coming from but still if a person is asking for the 8 at Five Ways I would say there's no 8 around here unless you want the inner circle 8A/8C. I think when NX think up these single digits they don't think waht confusion to may cause for the unseasoned traveller!!! For us boffins we know what wave length NX work to, but for the unseasoned traveller they don't.
Yes I agree I never came across it before the renumbering.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 11:58:33 AM
The whole re-numbering scheme is daft, especially now there's multiple services all with the same single digit route number. Even London don't duplicate route numbers, they're all individual.
Apparently they done it "to make the numbers local". I don't see the issue with the old numbering system. It made it local already. If it was in London, it would make more sense considering it's size but not in Birmingham and the West Midlands (excluding Coventry).
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
It's not all about whilst on the ground, what about for infrequent or new passengers that are searching for timetables online that aren't familiar with the network:
Route No 3 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=3&show%5Broutes%5D=1&utm_source=nav
Route No 4 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=4&site%5Bsubmit%5D=SUBMIT
Route No 5 search:
https://nxbus.co.uk/search/west-midlands/?site%5Bsearch%5D=5&site%5Bsubmit%5D=SUBMIT
Even on the forum it causes confusion, as people have to post which depot & route number they're referring too
I don't know what's more ridiculous: the fact that the WN25 is in the 4&5 search results or the number of 4 and 5 services we have.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 12:57:23 PM
Apparently they done it "to make the numbers local". I don't see the issue with the old numbering system. It made it local already. If it was in London, it would make more sense considering it's size but not in Birmingham and the West Midlands (excluding Coventry).
Yes, it was done to make the buses local, but because of the number of duplicate single or double digit route numbers there were, they've then had to resort to using letter prefixes which then put s the route number back up to 3 digits - so for those routes, they've gained nothing.
In addition, whilst having a quick search of NXWM timetables, I notice that NXC 8's & 9's also come up with NXWM search results, but not for other NXC services with the same numbers.
At least the NXC duplicate numbers are operated by a different brand with a different livery.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Yes, it was done to make the buses local, but because of the number of duplicate single or double digit route numbers there were, they've then had to resort to using letter prefixes which then put s the route number back up to 3 digits - so for those routes, they've gained nothing.
In addition, whilst having a quick search of NXWM timetables, I notice that NXC 8's & 9's also come up with NXWM search results, but not for other NXC services with the same numbers.
At least the NXC duplicate numbers are operated by a different brand with a different livery.
Yes NX link the two websites together so that all services with the same number comes up in the list on the NXWM site but not the other way. I will contact one of the Marketing executives tomorrow to ask why it doesn't work if searching via NXC website but does when searching the other way around. .
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 12:59:39 PM
I don't know what's more ridiculous: the fact that the WN25 is in the 4&5 search results or the number of 4 and 5 services we have.
Yes as I've said in one of my previous posts it does make it difficult for the unseasoned traveller. At least we can take something away from this and say at least non of the duplicate services overlap each other. Correct me if I'm wrong!! I'm not normally wrong when talking about buses!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Yes as I've said in one of my previous posts it does make it difficult for the unseasoned traveller. At least we can take something away from this and say at least non of the duplicate services overlap each other. Correct me if I'm wrong!! I'm not normally wrong when talking about buses!!
Really, you were wrong about NEAT. You really shouldn't make such statements!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 01:15:56 PM
Yes NX link the two websites together so that all services with the same number comes up in the list on the NXWM site but not the other way. I will contact one of the Marketing executives tomorrow to ask why it doesn't work if searching via NXC website but does when searching the other way around. .
No they don't, NXC 3's, 4's, 5's, 6's & 7's didn't come up in search results, only 8's & 9's
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Yes as I've said in one of my previous posts it does make it difficult for the unseasoned traveller. At least we can take something away from this and say at least non of the duplicate services overlap each other. Correct me if I'm wrong!! I'm not normally wrong when talking about buses!!
None of them overlap but some do go a bit close to each other. For example NX had to renumber the PB46 to 52 because it would stop too close to the WB46.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Yes as I've said in one of my previous posts it does make it difficult for the unseasoned traveller. At least we can take something away from this and say at least non of the duplicate services overlap each other. Correct me if I'm wrong!! I'm not normally wrong when talking about buses!!
Well it might not be the best accountant in the world but I can tell when numbers are the same as I walk round Five Ways I find two 8s and two 10s despite whatever you may believe so Five Ways Island definatly has two routes with the same numbers albiet different suffixs
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 02:34:26 PM
Well it might not be the best accountant in the world but I can tell when numbers are the same as I walk round Five Ways I find two 8s and two 10s despite whatever you may believe so Five Ways Island definatly has two routes with the same numbers albiet different suffixs
i drive the X10 daily and I don't experience the problems that you seem to
And I drive the pn 8 and I don't get people asking for the x96
Funny that
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
i drive the X10 daily and I don't experience the problems that you seem to
And I drive the pn 8 and I don't get people asking for the x96
Funny that
I think Karl most people would ask others in the bus stop if they were at the right stop before boarding in the peaks there doesnt a day go by without someone being in the wrong stop at Five Ways I was never asked at all when it was the 9 127 128 140 or 141 the current numbers cause a lot of confusion at Five Ways even more so with the Xs not picking up at Morrisions Id rather have it as 9 127 128 140 141 simple easy to follow for non regular users NXWM have no idea of the confusion they have created.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 03:03:55 PM
I think Karl most people would ask others in the bus stop if they were at the right stop before boarding in the peaks there doesnt a day go by without someone being in the wrong stop at Five Ways I was never asked at all when it was the 9 127 128 140 or 141 the current numbers cause a lot of confusion at Five Ways even more so with the Xs not picking up at Morrisions Id rather have it as 9 127 128 140 141 simple easy to follow for non regular users NXWM have no idea of the confusion they have created.
Having driven 5 ways services, I've never experienced this. The only real question I'd get asked is which bus goes to a certain location. A question you'd see asked anywhere. If I'm being honest, you just seem to have some form of issue with NX when there quite frankly isn't one.
Also, a TfWM bus champion? Last time I checked that means absolutely nothing, you don't get made aware of any information that isn't public.
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
Having driven 5 ways services, I've never experienced this. The only real question I'd get asked is which bus goes to a certain location. A question you'd see asked anywhere. If I'm being honest, you just seem to have some form of issue with NX when there quite frankly isn't one.
Also, a TfWM bus champion? Last time I checked that means absolutely nothing, you don't get made aware of any information that isn't public.
I dont think I have said I do as a TfWM bus champion i quote ot as its a public forum I have other work for WMCA & untill last month H M Gov I am not allowed to quote the Bus Champion work is a minor part of my work and try standing at the actual stops on Five Ways I feel sorry for the non regular traveller and so am always happy to help.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
I dont think I have said I do as a TfWM bus champion i quote ot as its a public forum I have other work for WMCA & untill last month H M Gov I am not allowed to quote the Bus Champion work is a minor part of my work and try standing at the actual stops on Five Ways I feel sorry for the non regular traveller and so am always happy to help.
Strange I've stood at Five Ways as an Inspector in full uniform and never had anyone confused by the 8A/8C. Mind those routes have been numbered as such for 40 odd years.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 03:45:17 PM
Strange I've stood at Five Ways as an Inspector in full uniform and never had anyone confused by the 8A/8C. Mind those routes have been numbered as such for 40 odd years.
Well Tony I can only speak as I find a lot of people unfortunatly mix up the 8A & C and the X8 at Five Ways RPOs are usually on the City bound side but I cannot remember the last time save NX office staff I found anyone from NXWM.at the out of city side of Hagley Rd. It doesnt bother me what the numbers are and lets face it waiting for the X8 you spend a lot of time waiting at the Five Ways bus stop unless the 13A comes first so it passes the time helping the confused.
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 03:16:54 PM
Having driven 5 ways services, I've never experienced this. The only real question I'd get asked is which bus goes to a certain location. A question you'd see asked anywhere. If I'm being honest, you just seem to have some form of issue with NX when there quite frankly isn't one.
Also, a TfWM bus champion? Last time I checked that means absolutely nothing, you don't get made aware of any information that isn't public.
I disagree with this as I'm also a champion and I know quite a lot of things that's going on at the moment even down to production of the area maps. The stuff that you don't see in public domain until it goes out much like the Solihull Map which I've done lots of work on.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 03:55:15 PM
Well Tony I can only speak as I find a lot of people unfortunatly mix up the 8A & C and the X8 at Five Ways RPOs are usually on the City bound side but I cannot remember the last time save NX office staff I found anyone from NXWM.at the out of city side of Hagley Rd. It doesnt bother me what the numbers are and lets face it waiting for the X8 you spend a lot of time waiting at the Five Ways bus stop unless the 13A comes first so it passes the time helping the confused.
Amazing it's you that gets asked lots of times as a random accountant stood waiting for a bus though. In full uniform (and I still do wear uniform so I can go out and help when there are major problems) I expect to get asked questions, but as someone that uses public transport everywhere whenever possible it is still quite unusual for a stranger to walk up and ask a question when I am not wearing it.. I presume you are using a pseudonym on here, if not you have not made much of an impression of TfWM/NX staff at the bus champions events.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 03:56:59 PM
I disagree with this as I'm also a champion and I know quite a lot of things that's going on at the moment even down to production of the area maps. The stuff that you don't see in public domain until it goes out much like the Solihull Map which I've done lots of work on.
I have the upmost respect for all the TfWM Bus Champions the wealth and quality of the contributions is outstanding and they really do make such a difference to TfWM and NXWM with the detailed knowlege.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
I have the upmost respect for all the TfWM Bus Champions the wealth and quality of the contributions is outstanding and they really do make such a difference to TfWM and NXWM with the detailed knowlege.
Thanks
@richardjones210368 it does pay off to have a lot of knowlege. I also point out mistakes on the timetables/timetable maps.
I also do a lot of work for NX with regard to services.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 04:01:43 PM
Amazing it's you that gets asked lots of times as a random accountant stood waiting for a bus though. In full uniform (and I still do wear uniform so I can go out and help when there are major problems) I expect to get asked questions, but as someone that uses public transport everywhere whenever possible it is still quite unusual for a stranger to walk up and ask a question when I am not wearing it.. I presume you are using a pseudonym on here, if not you have not made much of an impression of TfWM/NX staff at the bus champions events.
No its my real name and my main work was for H M Gov until last month when I resigned and you get mistaken by strangers for an official that's life when your in uniform most people wouldn't have a clue who was an NXWM official in uniform or someone else with H M Government on them in an uniform, why would I want to make an "impression" at meetings were there to get a better bus service for all its not the X Factor & if i see someone looking confused I approach them and offer to help isn't that what life's all about to help others for the good of the bus network as a TfWM Bus Champion or am I missing something?
I'm going straight to the point
I don't believe half the crap you two are posting on this forum
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I'm going straight to the point
I don't believe half the crap you two are posting on this forum
I don't like your tone. I don't put crap on this forum and I am a Passenger chapmion. Also I do help out a lot with things for TfWM and NX.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I'm going straight to the point
I don't believe half the crap you two are posting on this forum
Ok that's your choice and your opinion counts as it will on Thursday but other than when I am corrected I always acknowledge that when I am, how much of the information I have posted is not 100% accurate I just wasn't allowed to use social media before you believe what you wish it's no skin off my nose & we may differ on some things but the work Bus Man K2 does for TfWM is excellent and very much respected at TfWM for the knowledge of routes, maps and timetables I for one am in awe of him and respect him greatly for what he does.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
Ok that's your choice and your opinion counts as it will on Thursday but other than when I am corrected I always acknowledge that when I am, how much of the information I have posted is not 100% accurate I just wasn't allowed to use social media before you believe what you wish it's no skin off my nose.
So true couldn't of put it better myself.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 04:34:05 PM
So true couldn't of put it better myself.
Ok that's your choice and your opinion counts as it will on Thursday but other than when I am corrected I always acknowledge that when I am, how much of the information I have posted is not 100% accurate I just wasn't allowed to use social media before you believe what you wish it's no skin off my nose & we may differ on some things but the work Bus Man K2 does for TfWM is excellent and very much respected at TfWM for the knowledge of routes, maps and timetables I for one am in awe of him and respect him greatly for what he does.
Hang on I'll get the violin out for the two of ya
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
Ok that's your choice and your opinion counts as it will on Thursday but other than when I am corrected I always acknowledge that when I am, how much of the information I have posted is not 100% accurate I just wasn't allowed to use social media before you believe what you wish it's no skin off my nose & we may differ on some things but the work Bus Man K2 does for TfWM is excellent and very much respected at TfWM for the knowledge of routes, maps and timetables I for one am in awe of him and respect him greatly for what he does.
Why thanks I know the staff at TFWM are greatful for me and the work I do for them.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:40:22 PM
Hang on I'll get the violin out for the two of ya
I am quite the worker and I don't need the music from a voialin.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
I am quite the worker and I don't need the music from a voialin.
Forget a violin its synth only for me
@karl724223 as an 80s lad & lets face it mate I end on your bus regularly when your driving need I say more when we file our onboard reports to TfWM as a fellow PCV holder.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
Forget a violin its synth only for me @karl724223 as an 80s lad & lets face it mate I end on your bus regularly when your driving need I say more when we file our onboard reports to TfWM as a fellow PCV holder.
not your mate
And now your a fellow pcv holder mmm
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:59:58 PM
not your mate
And now your a fellow pcv holder mmm
Ok yes held it since I did my accountancy training contract at Badgerline Holdings and was passed out on MK1 Leyland National 101 HHA 101L always kept it valid my CPC too if not mate would you prefer comrade?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 04:07:04 PM
I also do a lot of work for NX with regard to services.
Such as.....
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
Such as.....
Bus Man K2 is well known to us for the consultative advice he gives to both TfWM & NXWM with regard to maps and timetables he cannot be faulted for his knowledge of maps and other related information he is one of the best in the business
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 05:36:04 PM
Bus Man K2 is well known to us for the consultative advice he gives to both TfWM & NXWM with regard to maps and timetables he cannot be faulted for his knowledge of maps and other related information he is one of the best in the business
Yet doesn't even know what a company name is
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
Such as.....
I can't say as I am leagly bided to NX. So can't say any more on this subject.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I'm going straight to the point
I don't believe half the crap you two are posting on this forum
Yes Karl! I've been biting my tongue with these two as well. Looks like you've got two more villages idiots in your side of the city.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Yet doesn't even know what a company name is
I don't know the leagle entity of names of companies. Shoot be down for not knowing one thing.
Quote from: MW on December 08, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
Yes Karl! I've been biting my tongue with these two as well. Looks like you've got two more villages idiots in your side of the city.
That's not very nice. You wouldn't like it if I called you a Village idiot.
Quote from: MW on December 08, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
Yes Karl! I've been biting my tongue with these two as well. Looks like you've got two more villages idiots in your side of the city.
There's no crap from me.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Yet doesn't even know what a company name is
Well I doubt whether many people know the full name on the Companies House register yours is West Midlands Travel Limited Company number 02652253 but I was asked by a senior member of your management to refer to it as National Express West Midlands which I am happy to oblige then there is First Midland Red Buses Limited Company number 01556327 and then there's Diamond Bus Limited Company number 02531054 but I do not quite follow your train of thought to be honest.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 05:52:25 PM
Well I doubt whether many people know the full name on the Companies House register yours is West Midlands Travel Limited Company number 02652253 but I was asked by a senior member of your management to refer to it as National Express West Midlands which I am happy to oblige then there is First Midland Red Buses Limited Company number 01556327 and then there's Diamond Bus Limited Company number 02531054 but I do not quite follow your train of thought to be honest.
I was referring to K2 who told me I was wrong here
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5483.msg269714#msg269714
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
I was referring to K2 who told me I was wrong here
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5483.msg269714#msg269714
Righto but its actually WEST MIDLANDS ACCESSIBLE TRANSPORT LIMITED
Company number 02327223
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 06:14:48 PM
I was referring to K2 who told me I was wrong here
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5483.msg269714#msg269714
I had apoligised for that. Sorry.
What was the meeting on the 22nd October that started all this anyway?
Doesn't appear to have been a Dudley review meeting on that date
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 05:44:57 PM
I can't say as I am leagly bided to NX. So can't say any more on this subject.
Legally bided? Yet you work for WMCA? That's a rather large conflict of interest.
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
Legally bided? Yet you work for WMCA? That's a rather large conflict of interest.
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
What was the meeting on the 22nd October that started all this anyway?
Doesn't appear to have been a Dudley review meeting on that date
Nothing what so ever to do with West Dudley Review it centers on a remark I made at it about the protests against it at the meeting which some forum members were at and I dont think either of us are employed by WMCA well Im not anyway I am invitited as a stakeholder and thats another story.........
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 06:33:05 PM
Legally bided? Yet you work for WMCA? That's a rather large conflict of interest.
I don't work for WMCA I just volunteer for them. Unlike NX which I am leagly binded to keep quiet.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 04:43:37 PM
I am quite the worker and I don't need the music from a voialin.
Nah...... Just the men in white coats.
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 06:53:18 PM
Nah...... Just the men in white coats.
Nither do I need the men in white coats.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
Nither do I need the men in white coats.
Ignore them I have had to stand up to bullies all my life for my love of buses when forum members have to resort to posts like that they have clearly lost the argument log out & chill just remember two of the posters claim to be PN drivers it doesn't give you much.confidence in their professionalism and their respect to thier passengers does it!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
Ignore them I have had to stand up to bullies all my life for my love of buses when forum members have to resort to posts like that they have clearly lost the argument log out & chill just remember two of the posters claim to be PN drivers it doesn't give you much.confidence in their professionalism and their respect to thier passengers does it!
You tell him Champ
Quote from: MW on December 08, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
You tell him Champ
I didnt do a charity boxing match for our Institute this year and last a whole 7 seconds in the ring before being floored by an fellow accountant from Wigan for nothing I can tell you.
As this thread is rapidly getting out of control again, may I please remind ALL members of the FORUM RULES (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0) and to refrain from making personal attacks, and to keep the thread on-topic.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 08, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
Ignore them I have had to stand up to bullies all my life for my love of buses when forum members have to resort to posts like that they have clearly lost the argument log out & chill just remember two of the posters claim to be PN drivers it doesn't give you much.confidence in their professionalism and their respect to thier passengers does it!
unlike you people know who I am and my driving record speaks for itself
Nobody knows who you two are except yourselves
My professionalism and respect for passengers is higher than the stories your posting
BUS CHAMPION JUMPED UP NAME FOR PROFESSIONAL COMPLAINER
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I'm going straight to the point
I don't believe half the crap you two are posting on this forum
So you meant this is professional. I think not. If you say this is proffetional then I doubt that you really are a driver.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 08:17:40 PM
unlike you people know who I am and my driving record speaks for itself
Nobody knows who you two are except yourselves
My professionalism and respect for passengers is higher than the stories your posting
Everyone knows who I am, ain't that right
@karl724223 Professionalism and dealing with idiots are 2 very different things
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 08:26:38 PM
Everyone knows who I am, ain't that right @karl724223
Professionalism and dealing with idiots are 2 very different things
Again proffesionalisum is not your strong point when posting on here. If you post this sort of thing again I will report you. As this is a personal attack on two people.
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Ooh ooh..... Me Sir......
I'm not a driver 8)
I didn't say anything about you being a driver.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 08:31:11 PM
Again proffesionalisum is not your strong point when posting on here. If you post this sort of thing again I will report you. As this is a personal attack on two people.
neither is your spelling
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 08:31:11 PM
Again proffesionalisum is not your strong point when posting on here. If you post this sort of thing again I will report you. As this is a personal attack on two people.
Not just 2 people.... there are more idiots on here than just you 2.
You can report me if you like, if it makes you feel good. Does it turn you on having power ::)
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 08:17:40 PM
unlike you people know who I am and my driving record speaks for itself
Nobody knows who you two are except yourselves
My professionalism and respect for passengers is higher than the stories your posting
I have been a bus driver Bus Man K2 So really
@karl724223 if you say so, mind you your postings on here do not give the appearance of anything professional does it that said I enjoyed my internship so much after being passed out at MRW to cover the Centro contracts if drivers such as yourself went on strike at MRW I ended up Sunday & Evening relief driver on Kiddys 209 Centro contract one duty working you had a Merc L608D or L609D others a Mk1 Leyland National or a cascaded Lynx after the Lances arrived so don't lecture me about bus driving been there done that and loved every minuet the daytime service on the 209 was Digbeths a typical MRW quirk and it beat working in McDonalds when your at Uni & I stayed as a Kiddy weekend relief until Ian Humphrys arrived and stopped it all.
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Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 08:32:14 PM
neither is your spelling
OK I agree with the spelling but personal attacks aren't the way to go.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 08:57:02 PM
I have no personal affection to the so called boyfriend... Again with the personal attacks. Can you not just write nice replies? Is that hard to ask..
He his barking up the wrong tree anyway
@Bus Man K2 the love of my life was The Birmingham Coach Company......................
Great professionalism from 2 PN staff there. . Ever heard of not rising to it if you think what they say is nonsense? Would never work for a company that seems to invite such miserable people.
And no I'm not taking sides as I've wasted 10 minutes reading tripe from both sides
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
Should you not be having those discussions with your boyfriend then, perhaps some professional help could help your relationship. It's not a personal attack, next you'll be calling me homophobic.
You pair seriously need to get out more. More excitement in your lives and all your personal issues will sort themselves out.
@richardjones210368 how old do you think I am, when I went on strike you were driving nationals. I'm from the B10 era, @karl724223 is the decrepit one 8)
Other than some crappy B10 coaches for school runs well after my time dont think MRW had any Volvo B10s so I doubt whether you were even on strike in my time at MRW so your point is & I think I am out enough on Diamond Bus but thanks for the advice.
Are we going to talk about the main topic or are we going to continue to argue like babies?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
Are we going to talk about the main topic or are we going to continue to argue like babies?
I am happy to go back to the joys of using the bus in Blackheath
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 09:09:26 PM
My point is....... I was a child, a real child.
Not a childish adult that pretends he has a job...........
I agree you seem about 7 from your posts but your right there I resigned from my job last month I will grant you that so your quite right I will have to pretend I have a full time job now if it pleases you?
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 09:22:05 PM
more rubbish comes from you than them two put together
Yes but its professional rubbish isnt it oh you made an odd remark about me having a PCV all the so called management had them at MRW even the interns to drive the buses on contracts on strike days thats how I ended up with a PCV are you not following this thread?
For the absence of doubt,
@Stu was pretty clear, knock it on the head now, Winston
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 09:27:21 PM
For the absence of doubt, @Stu was pretty clear, knock it on the head now, Winston
I've missed you Winnie
Quote from: pndriver on December 08, 2019, 09:39:05 PM
I've missed you Winnie
Shame I haven't missed you, as you clearly can't read, enjoy the break! 😘
What has this thread become?
That shows how PN drivers are most rudest drivers in NX, never seem to have a smile and always miserable!
Quote from: karl724223 on December 08, 2019, 08:17:40 PM
unlike you people know who I am and my driving record speaks for itself
Nobody knows who you two are except yourselves
My professionalism and respect for passengers is higher than the stories your posting
BUS CHAMPION JUMPED UP NAME FOR PROFESSIONAL COMPLAINER
No it's not. It's just telling NX how driver appear and deal with Passenger. Clearly you wouldn't get a good review from us.... That said stop with the personal attacks now.. Please. That's all I ask.
@Bus Man K2 - knocking it on the head includes you aswell, the slanging match was finished last night, stop trying to reignite it! Winston
Quote from: richardjones210368 on November 30, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
Numerous mornings I get 2 X8's at 6.48 in the morning or none at all so thankfully there is the 13A to fall back on. I cannot remember the last time I got the X8 back to Blackheath from Colmore Row the 13A always arrives first and usually on time. I met some mates at The Stag and one night the last X8 was 90mins late the old 140 was a good service with old buses the X8 is a very bad service with posh buses but that's life NXWM seem to think they know best!
Part of the reason, as I understand it, for changes to the 126 which led to the creation of the X8 and withdrawal of the 140 was delays the 126 was experiencing due to the length of the route. Whilst I accept the old 140 route from Dudley to Birmingham is less congested than the 126 route it is longer. Whilst they may have reduced some of the issues on the 126 it appears that they may have just transferred them onto the X8.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 10, 2019, 09:34:10 PM
Part of the reason, as I understand it, for changes to the 126 which led to the creation of the X8 and withdrawal of the 140 was delays the 126 was experiencing due to the length of the route. Whilst I accept the old 140 route from Dudley to Birmingham is less congested than the 126 route it is longer. Whilst they may have reduced some of the issues on the 126 it appears that they may have just transferred them onto the X8.
Tell me about it on the X8 thank goodness for the 13A there was not anything wrong with the 140 for 49 years of my life it provided a quality bus service from Blackheath to Birmingham and I doubt whether anyone from NXWM stands in the Blackheath Market Place and waits and waits and waits for the X8 & coming home at FIVE WAYS waits and waits and waits for an X8 oh for the 140 again but then again NATIONAL EXPRESS WEST MIDLANDS thought they knew better.............................
Doesnt life seem to pass you by when you see a 13A passing the traffic lights by The Plough & Harrow and then you end up waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for an X8 & to think people pay good money for such an god awfull service run by a pathetic bunch of amateurs called a bus company. I wonder what will come first tonight the X8 or The Second Coming?
Well it was The Second Coming I am on another 13A so there must be a god after all!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 11, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
Doesnt life seem to pass you by when you see a 13A passing the traffic lights by The Plough & Harrow and then you end up waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for an X8 & to think people pay good money for such an god awfull service run by a pathetic bunch of amateurs called a bus company. I wonder what will come first tonight the X8 or The Second Coming?
If you thought the X8 was gonna be that long coming why didn't you get the first 13A, not been rude just wondering
Quote from: Lukeee on December 11, 2019, 08:47:32 PM
If you thought the X8 was gonna be that long coming why didn't you get the first 13A, not been rude just wondering
No thats fine the 13A had left the stop and was passing the Plough & Harrow as I came round the corner otherwise I would have been on it.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 11, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
Doesnt life seem to pass you by when you see a 13A passing the traffic lights by The Plough & Harrow and then you end up waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for an X8 & to think people pay good money for such an god awfull service run by a pathetic bunch of amateurs called a bus company. I wonder what will come first tonight the X8 or The Second Coming?
If NX was ran by amateurs surely it would of gone bust by now. The X8 does run along possibly two of the busiest roads on the west side of Birmingham. Birmingham new road is traffic light junction after traffic light junction and during peak can take forever to get to Dudley then you have the hagley road and the chaos that is the diversions with broad street closed.
If you have not figured out buses can not fly and s*it happens that can cause disruption and the knock on effect to recover the service
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 11, 2019, 11:04:25 PM
If NX was ran by amateurs surely it would of gone bust by now. The X8 does run along possibly two of the busiest roads on the west side of Birmingham. Birmingham new road is traffic light junction after traffic light junction and during peak can take forever to get to Dudley then you have the hagley road and the chaos that is the diversions with broad street closed.
If you have not figured out buses can not fly and s*it happens that can cause disruption and the knock on effect to recover the service
Get real I used the 140 from work from 1997 to 2018 the service was rarely late and first class the hopeless out of touch idiot bus company that runs the X8 turned a quality service into one that is so bad its a laughing stock and a total.disgrace to those that use it did you use the 140 for 21 years before it was car crashed into the X8 there has in my 50 year life always been disruption and chaos on Broad St can.you not remember the ICC being built the 140 was a great service it has been replacrd by an out of touch bus company by a premier platnium service that is so awfull it would make its so bad its laughable
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 11, 2019, 11:13:48 PM
Get real I used the 140 from work from 1997 to 2018 the service was rarely late and first class the hopeless out of touch idiot bus company that runs the X8 turned a quality service into one that is so bad its a laughing stock and a total.disgrace to those that use it did you use the 140 for 21 years before it was car crashed into the X8?
The 140 followed the same route as the X8 between Birmingham & Dudley - with more stops may I add - and interworked with the 241 - and the 141 for a while. Was it really the Holy Grail you perceived it as?
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 11, 2019, 11:19:12 PM
The 140 followed the same route as the X8 between Birmingham & Dudley - with more stops may I add - and interworked with the 241 - and the 141 for a while. Was it really the Holy Grail you perceived it as?
Yes I had no.complaints about 140 it has been replaced by a service that is bad its a so good to post about it shows how out of touch NXWM is with its passengers a few days ago I had 2 X8s at 06.48 if they cant get the service right at this time what does that tell you about the idiots that run the X8?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 11, 2019, 11:22:03 PM
Yes I had no.complaints about 140 it has been replaced by a service that is bad its a so good to post about
Have to wonder why it was withdrawn and replaced with a limited stop service if it was as good as you say it was
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 11, 2019, 11:23:18 PM
Have to wonder why it was withdrawn and replaced with a limited stop service if it was as good as you say it was
Well you tell me or better still NXWM the X8 is worst decision a bus company has ever made give me back my all stops HALF HOURLY 140 tomorrow the X8 is mis timed run by incompetent route managers and replaced an excellent service a few days ago I had 2 X8s at 06.52 in.Blackheath if the idiots at NXWM cant get it right at the time what does that tell you. The X8 is HATED by everyone in Blackheath NXWM have destroyed an.excellent service with thier utter incompetence and should be totally ashamed of thier actions. I can only assume with quoting the long forgotten 141 than ran down Powke Lane you have no idea at all how bad the X8 is and are looking at the idiots at NXWM thru rose coloured or crimson glasses care to join me in the Blackheath Market Place and enjoy the pathetic incompetence and a disgrace to the bus world that is the X8 tomorrow at 06.48?
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 11, 2019, 11:23:18 PM
Have to wonder why it was withdrawn and replaced with a limited stop service if it was as good as you say it was
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of
@Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with
@Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the 140 back and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the X8!
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of
@Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with
@Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 run from PN came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 from WN is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the PN 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the WN X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the PN 140 back the WN X8 off and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the WN X8!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 06:54:48 AM
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of @Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with @Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 run from PN came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 from WN is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the PN 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the WN X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the PN 140 back the WN X8 off and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the WN X8!
The 06:48 journey from Blackheath was bus 6787 and left at exactly 06:48
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 06:53:53 AM
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of @Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with @Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the 140 back and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the X8!
Why did you not catch 6787 on the X8 that left at 06:48?
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 08:21:28 AM
The 06:48 journey from Blackheath was bus 6787 and left at exactly 06:48
I think he meant yesterday so didn't bother today and caught the first route that turned up. I thought his comments were a bit harsh as well. PN did once have the accolade of running the palest pink buses of all (maybe still does with the unrepainted 61 B7RLEs) but that's probably down to the washing equipment and outside parking rather than anything else! And 6787 is a WN bus?
However in terms of service reliability, unless you're jollying around as an enthusiast, that is how people start to feel if the service is perceived as unreliable.
Quote from: don on December 12, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
I think he meant yesterday so didn't bother today and caught the first route that turned up. I thought his comments were a bit harsh as well. PN did once have the accolade of running the palest pink buses of all (maybe still does with the unrepainted 61 B7RLEs) but that's probably down to the washing equipment and outside parking rather than anything else! And 6787 is a WN bus?
However in terms of service reliability, unless you're jollying around as an enthusiast, that is how people start to feel if the service is perceived as unreliable.
The 06:48 was 6780 yesterday and also left spot on time
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 08:22:41 AM
Why did you not catch 6787 on the X8 that left at 06:48?
The 13A came in first and the X8 was not live tracking there was no sign of it coming down Rowley Hill so why would I wait for a bus that is so unreliable if NXWM wasnt such a terrible operator offering Blackheath a third world service to Brum I would but but NOT with the pathetic excuse for a bus service they operate on the X8 thank goodness for the 13A otherwise the traffic commisioner would be on speed dial.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 08:47:32 AM
The 06:48 was 6780 yesterday and also left spot on time
The X8 yesterday again was not live tracking so I got the 13A why would I wait for an X8 in the vain hope of it turning up strangly I was going to work not playing russian roulete with a bus company so bad and awfull that its not fot for purpose? The old 140 at the same was WB working driven by one of finest drivers in the country now we have a bunch of cowboys who think its a laugh if they turn up or not PATHETIC
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 10:52:55 AM
The 13A came in first and the X8 was not live tracking there was no sign of it coming down Rowley Hill so why would I wait for a bus that is so unreliable if NXWM wasnt such a terrible operator offering Blackheath a third world service to Brum I would but but NOT with the pathetic excuse for a bus service they operate on the X8 thank goodness for the 13A otherwise the traffic commisioner would be on speed dial.
The 06:48 X8 has left exactly on time every day this week
6787 is recorded as tracking for 99% of the journey, and was 100% compliant with the timetable (less than 4 min late) for the whole route.
The 13A is recorded as leaving 44 seconds behind the X8
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 11:04:22 AM
The X8 yesterday again was not live tracking so I got the 13A why would I wait for an X8 in the vain hope of it turning up strangly I was going to work not playing russian roulete with a bus company so bad and awfull that its not fot for purpose?
Yesterday 6780 tracked for 100% of the journey and was also 100% compliant with DVSA timing
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 11:07:06 AM
Yesterday 6780 tracked for 100% of the journey and was also 100% compliant with DVSA timing
No it didn't it was not showing live in Blackheath Market Place or I would have waited for it doesn't hold up, don't try to explain the pathetic excuse for a service for those of us who end waiting waiting waiting what makes it worse the old 140 at the time was WB & it never missed and was driven by one of the most professional drivers I have ever met and was credit to NXWM only to be replaced by the pathetic excuse for a bus service that is the X8.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
The 06:48 X8 has left exactly on time every day this week
6787 is recorded as tracking for 99% of the journey, and was 100% compliant with the timetable (less than 4 min late) for the whole route.
The 13A is recorded as leaving 44 seconds behind the X8
How could it behind the X8 when the 13A came into the Market Place first and has done EVERY day this week the X8 has NOT turned up in front of it on ANY morning I WAS STANDING IN THE BUS STOP WAITING FOR IT whatever your looking at is like everything about NXWM SO SO WRONG. At NO point this week has the X8 turned up at 06.48 or we would not be having this conversation. As ever NXWM is making pathetic excuses about the rotten service it delvers I urge everyone to use their vote wisely and get a better bus service for all with TOTAL partnership agreements on all routes to end the misery of NXWM taking its passengers on the X8 for a ride, thank god its my last day at work on it in 2019 one can only hope the idiots at NXWM sort out the X8 in 2020 but I do not hold out much hope unless they are forced too
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
No it didn't it was not showing live in Blackheath Market Place or I would have waited for it doesn't hold up, don't try to explain the pathetic excuse for a service for those of us who end waiting waiting waiting what makes it worse the old 140 at the time was WB & it never missed and was driven by one of the most professional drivers I have ever met and was credit to NXWM only to be replaced by the pathetic excuse for a bus service that is the X8.
Yesterday the driver arrived in Blackheath at 06:47 and left at 06:48 how much better service do you want
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 11:33:29 AM
How could it behind the X8 when the 13A came into the Market Place first and has done EVERY day this week the X8 has NOT turned up in front of it on ANY morning I WAS STANDING IN THE BUS STOP WAITING FOR IT whatever your looking at is like everything about NXWM SO SO WRONG. At NO point this week has the X8 turned up at 06.48 or we would not be having this conversation. As ever NXWM is making pathetic excuses about the rotten service it delvers I urge everyone to use their vote wisely and get a better bus service for all with TOTAL partnership agreements on all routes to end the misery of NXWM taking its passengers on the X8 for a ride, thank god its my last day at work on it in 2019 one can only hope the idiots at NXWM sort out the X8 in 2020 but I do not hold out much hope unless they are forced too
I have attached a screenshot from Traffilog which is an outside company that tracks where vehicles are (not just NXWM) it shows 6787 in Blackheath not moving at 06:47 this morning
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 11:43:05 AM
I have attached a screenshot from Traffilog which is an outside company that tracks where vehicles are (not just NXWM) it shows 6787 in Blackheath not moving at 06:47 this morning
Whats that supposed to prove It wasnt live tracking & I left on the 13A ? You are proving my point conclusively NXWM is not bothered about running the X8 now at 11.50 for the benefit for users LIVE but obsessed with trying to explain its actions historically I know what bus came first this morning and it wasnt the X8. I was in the bus stop at 06.47 the X8 WAS NOT.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
Whats that supposed to prove It wasnt live tracking & I left on the 13A ? You are proving my point conclusively NXWM is not bothered about running the X8 now at 11.50 for the benefit for users LIVE but obsessed with trying to explain its actions historically I know what bus came first this morning and it wasnt the X8. I was in the bus stop at 06.47 the X8 WAS NOT.
No NXWM isn't obsessed, because I am not at work today. I am at home tidying up my website, but I do find someone complaining about the unreliability of a bus that has run on time every day for a week a bit stupid.
As regards vehicles tracking, how many of your beloved Diamond 4H show as real time on the screens in Bus Stations/Stops?
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Yesterday the driver arrived in Blackheath at 06:47 and left at 06:48 how much better service do you want
One that live tracks then I would know it was coming and would not have got on the 13A first would I? Do not forget I still have to go home on the pathetic excuse for a bus service that NXWM operates along Hagley Rd to Blackheath one last time in 2019 so as they say in Marineville where I understand they have the best bus service on the planet using ADL Hoverbuses - Stand By For Action Anything Can Happen In The Next Half Hour..........................................
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 12:00:22 PM
No NXWM isn't obsessed, because I am not at work today. I am at home tidying up my website, but I do find someone complaining about the unreliability of a bus that has run on time every day for a week a bit stupid.
As regards vehicles tracking, how many of your beloved Diamond 4H show as real time on the screens in Bus Stations/Stops?
Well I must be stupid to use such a pathetic bus service such as the hopeless X8 hadn't I? I never find any faults in the Diamond Bus 4H they live track perfectly on the app I use its the NXWM X8 that doesnt. NXWM should look at the Diamond 4H to see how a bus service should run given the shambles and unreliable issues on the equally shambolic NXWM 4H but NXWM does not care about its passengers does it or it wouldn't run such a poor service down Hagley Rd to Blackheath.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 12:00:22 PM
No NXWM isn't obsessed, because I am not at work today. I am at home tidying up my website, but I do find someone complaining about the unreliability of a bus that has run on time every day for a week a bit stupid.
As regards vehicles tracking, how many of your beloved Diamond 4H show as real time on the screens in Bus Stations/Stops?
That's me done at work for 2019 no need to get the pathetic excuse for a bus service that NXWM run on the X8 again this year & surprise surprise at Francis Rd there is not a single X8 live tracking however I can see the familiar sight of the 13A coming down the road. How NXWM gets away with running such a pathetic third rate service along Hagley Rd to Blackheath is beyond me mind you they are giant monopolistic monster that cares for no one but the company at least I can vote when I get back to Blackheath to change things to get bus partnerships in place to stop NXWM taking the good people of Blackheath for a ride in 2020. Oh for the ghosts of Christmas Past the 127/258 & 140 happy days, happy holidays!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:46 PM
One that live tracks then I would know it was coming and would not have got on the 13A first would I? Do not forget I still have to go home on the pathetic excuse for a bus service that NXWM operates along Hagley Rd to Blackheath one last time in 2019 so as they say in Marineville where I understand they have the best bus service on the planet using ADL Hoverbuses - Stand By For Action Anything Can Happen In The Next Half Hour..........................................
Sometimes live info doesn't work for several reason, I catch the 15 every day to merry hill the first bus normal shows scheduled time and it still turns up bang on time, the app is not the most reliable. 10 years ago there wasn't an app to track bus just had to wait for the bus to show!
End of the day congestion as a whole is getting worse, roadworks are not helping, buses have not got wings, NX/Diamond etc tried to adjust to daily changes.
If the 8 from Wollaston Farm to Wolverhampton happens, the X8 may become limited stop between Wolves and Dudley to help with time keeping. If the 140 still existed it would have the same problems as the X8 has now
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
Sometimes live info doesn't work for several reason, I catch the 15 every day to merry hill the first bus normal shows scheduled time and it still turns up bang on time, the app is not the most reliable. 10 years ago there wasn't an app to track bus just had to wait for the bus to show!
End of the day congestion as a whole is getting worse, roadworks are not helping, buses have not got wings, NX/Diamond etc tried to adjust to daily changes.
If the 8 from Wollaston Farm to Wolverhampton happens, the X8 may become limited stop between Wolves and Dudley to help with time keeping. If the 140 still existed it would have the same problems as the X8 has now
I doubt it... the Wolverhampton to Dudley section warrants it's frequent all stopping service.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 12:54:47 PM
Sometimes live info doesn't work for several reason, I catch the 15 every day to merry hill the first bus normal shows scheduled time and it still turns up bang on time, the app is not the most reliable. 10 years ago there wasn't an app to track bus just had to wait for the bus to show!
End of the day congestion as a whole is getting worse, roadworks are not helping, buses have not got wings, NX/Diamond etc tried to adjust to daily changes.
If the 8 from Wollaston Farm to Wolverhampton happens, the X8 may become limited stop between Wolves and Dudley to help with time keeping. If the 140 still existed it would have the same problems as the X8 has now
The 140 WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS it worked perfectly up to September 2018 offering a quality bus service half hourly timed correctly what has changed since then other than it has a new number and is a car crash of a bus service called the X8 is NOW hopelessly unreliable?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 12:51:29 PM
That's me done at work for 2019 no need to get the pathetic excuse for a bus service that NXWM run on the X8 again this year & surprise surprise at Francis Rd there is not a single X8 live tracking however I can see the familiar sight of the 13A coming down the road. How NXWM gets away with running such a pathetic third rate service along Hagley Rd to Blackheath is beyond me mind you they are giant monopolistic monster that cares for no one but the company at least I can vote when I get back to Blackheath to change things to get bus partnerships in place to stop NXWM taking the good people of Blackheath for a ride in 2020. Oh for the ghosts of Christmas Past the 127/258 & 140 happy days, happy holidays!
Every X8 currently currently on time and all showing on my screen where they are. Just put the Public App on my phone and all on there as well
Quote from: Nathan on December 12, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
I doubt it... the Wolverhampton to Dudley section warrants it's frequent all stopping service.
Fair point Nathan! I just don't know how he expect every journey to track correctly and doesn't give the X8 a chance. Tony has said both day the 06.48 from blackheath has departed on time...
Are you
@richardjones210368 judging the X8 on a few timed departures or the full days working?
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Every X8 currently currently on time and all showing on my screen where they are
Well there wasn't one at 12.48 only the 13A 12.52 that I am on yet more excuses try standing at stop!
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 01:01:37 PM
Fair point Nathan! I just don't know how he expect every journey to track correctly and doesn't give the X8 a chance. Tony has said both day the 06.48 from blackheath has departed on time...
Are you @richardjones210368 judging the X8 on a few timed departures or the full days working?
Well I think using it the last 14 months I have given it more of a chance you try waiting and waiting and waiting at the stop for the hopeless rubbish that is the X8 then you can criticize my comments or simply ask anyone in the Blackheath Market Place everyone hates it & funny enough the journeys are the ones I am actually using strange that when I am not doing a full route audit.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 01:03:41 PM
Well there wasn't one at 12.48 only the 13A 12.52 that I am on yet more excuses try standing at stop!
6787 was the 12:39 from City which has run exactly on time, currently at Long Lane
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
6787 was the 12:39 from City which has run exactly on time, currently at Long Lane
And your point is? There were no X8s live tracking and so I got the 13A why would I wait a stop in the forlorn hope one would turn up at the next timetabled time & you call me stupid!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 01:19:39 PM
And your point is? There were no X8s live tracking and so I got the 13A why would I wait a stop in the forlorn hope one would turn up at the next timetabled time & you call me stupid!
It is live tracking. I can see it on my phone through the public app
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 01:23:40 PM
It is live tracking. I can see it on my phone through the public app
Its this thru a crystal ball as no X8 came when I was at Francis Rd or was live tracking as ever excuses excuses excuses that the problem with NXWM they will not admit the X8 is timmed hopelessly wrong have you not thought its odd I praise constantly the 140 & THE 13A and rubbish the X8 instead of keep trying to defend the undefendable.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 01:28:37 PM
Its this thru a crystal ball as no X8 came when I was at Francis Rd or was live tracking as ever excuses excuses excuses that the problem with NXWM they will not admit the X8 is timmed hopelessly wrong have you not thought its odd I praise constantly the 140 & THE 13A and rubbish the X8 instead of keep trying to defend the undefendable.
I think you are X8 blind, as I said the bus is tracking, have a look for yourself on the NX app for yourself you will see they are all showing as real time and are all running on time. Perhaps if they are not showing on the bus stops you use it is a TfWM problem, not an NX problem. The only Wolverhampton buses not tracking properly are 848, 4331 & 5412
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
I think you are X8 blind, as I said the bus is tracking, have a look for yourself on the NX app for yourself you will see they are all showing as real time and are all running on time. Perhaps if they are not showing on the bus stops you use it is a TfWM problem, not an NX problem. The only Wolverhampton buses not tracking properly are 848, 4331 & 5412
Why would I want to look for an X8 that never come on an APP I don't use as its so horribily unreliable compared to the WMCA one, you try using the X8 as your main bus service before criticising me and there were about 30 folks just waiting outside Poundland in the rain for it it's pathetic & my mates dad was one of them I cannot post on here his comments about the the X8 as I don't want to be banned & he blames me! I am in Blackheath after using the excellent 13A and going to vote to get Blackheaths bus service regulated and get our bus service back from the clutches of the evil NXWM they just don't listen to their passengers if they did we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The X8 is tracking ok on my phone whilst the 13s are showing timetabled times
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 01:57:04 PM
The X8 is tracking ok on my phone whilst the 13s are showing timetabled times
Well it's usually the opposite on the WMCA app typical isn't it they are running to time mind you I don't trust the NXWM app its as useless as the bus company itself and I won't be using the X8 again till next year so who cares NXWM certainly don't.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 12:00:22 PM
No NXWM isn't obsessed, because I am not at work today. I am at home tidying up my website, but I do find someone complaining about the unreliability of a bus that has run on time every day for a week a bit stupid.
As regards vehicles tracking, how many of your beloved Diamond 4H show as real time on the screens in Bus Stations/Stops?
1855 I believe on 4H went completely wrong way out of Halesowen to Hayley green heading up the hagley road, 15 minutes late I must add
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 12, 2019, 03:03:27 PM
1855 I believe on 4H went completely wrong way out of Halesowen to Hayley green heading up the hagley road, 15 minutes late I must add
Nothing surprises me with NXWM on the 4H they are utterly hopeless its lucky we have Diamond Bus showing them how to do it on Gorsty Hill with the 231 round the corner who needs NXWM with 5 Diamonds an hour.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 12:51:29 PM
That's me done at work for 2019 no need to get the pathetic excuse for a bus service that NXWM run on the X8 again this year & surprise surprise at Francis Rd there is not a single X8 live tracking however I can see the familiar sight of the 13A coming down the road.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
I think you are X8 blind, as I said the bus is tracking, have a look for yourself on the NX app for yourself you will see they are all showing as real time and are all running on time. Perhaps if they are not showing on the bus stops you use it is a TfWM problem, not an NX problem. The only Wolverhampton buses not tracking properly are 848, 4331 & 5412
The stop being mentioned at Five Ways, Francis Road doesn't have an RTI screen either. So don't think its a problem with the bus stop.
Quote from: 2206 on December 12, 2019, 04:55:19 PM
The stop being mentioned at Five Ways, Francis Road doesn't have an RTI screen either. So don't think its a problem with the bus stop.
No its a problem with the bus company called National Express West Midlands they are utter rubbish at running the X8 from Edgbaston to Blackheath and showing real time information about the terrible service they operate on an app.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 12, 2019, 03:03:27 PM
1855 I believe on 4H went completely wrong way out of Halesowen to Hayley green heading up the hagley road, 15 minutes late I must add
Wrong thread dude, this is the X8 thread ;)
Quote from: Mike K on December 12, 2019, 05:09:34 PM
Wrong thread dude, this is the X8 thread ;)
No the thread is right the NXWM 4H is almost as bad as the X8 but that doesnt matter the difference for Blackheath passengers is there is a straight choice Diamond or NXWM on the 4H your trapped in a living death on the X8 with a zombie bus company with no alternative except the 13A
The sheer joy of being free of the X8 for 2019 and being on the top quality service that is Diamond Bus 4H off club lane swimming then Spoons a perfect night. The DIAMOND 4H is on time and live on the app if only other bus companies could do the same......................................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 06:54:48 AM
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of @Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with @Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 run from PN came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 from WN is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the PN 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the WN X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the PN 140 back the WN X8 off and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the WN X8!
If the reliability of the X8 was that bad don't you think it would have been addressed by now?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 01:04:52 PM
Well I think using it the last 14 months I have given it more of a chance you try waiting and waiting and waiting at the stop for the hopeless rubbish that is the X8 then you can criticize my comments or simply ask anyone in the Blackheath Market Place everyone hates it & funny enough the journeys are the ones I am actually using strange that when I am not doing a full route audit.
Why don't you get a 14 and x10 or 9 if there isn't a x8 for ages ?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 12, 2019, 08:59:34 PM
If the reliability of the X8 was that bad don't you think it would have been addressed by now?
Ha Ha That is so so funnny NXWM adressing reliability issues for the benefit of its customers its about as likley as me being the next Chief Rabbi SHALOM
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 12, 2019, 09:37:32 PM
Why don't you get a 14 and x10 or 9 if there isn't a x8 for ages ?
Why when I get the excellent 13A to Blackheath & lie back & enjoy the ride when the hopeless X8 fails to turn up would I get 2 buses?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
The sheer joy of being free of the X8 for 2019 and being on the top quality service that is Diamond Bus 4H off club lane swimming then Spoons a perfect night. The DIAMOND 4H is on time and live on the app if only other bus companies could do the same......................................
Do you mind giving a suggestion on what you would do instead of complaining about the X8?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 09:41:54 PM
Ha Ha That is so so funnny NXWM adressing reliability issues for the benefit of its customers its about as likley as me being the next Chief Rabbi SHALOM
Reliability issues they actually try to sort i.e. the X20/X21/X22, the 997 etc. If reliability was an issue don't you think the TC would get involved?
I think you live in a fantasy world where the X8 is running late and Tony has proven they both occasions you questioned ran on time! I think you are talking out your ass...
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
The sheer joy of being free of the X8 for 2019 and being on the top quality service that is Diamond Bus 4H off club lane swimming then Spoons a perfect night. The DIAMOND 4H is on time and live on the app if only other bus companies could do the same......................................
Diamond are not always on time... even on a Sunday...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 09:55:57 PM
Diamond are not always on time... even on a Sunday...
I will grant you Sundays the 4H is too tightly timed but i am grateful for a commercial sunday service on Gorsty Hill as NXWM cannot be bothered to operate they treat BLACKHEATH folk as cash cows as they are not bothered about their passengers in Blackheath or see it in their interest to offer a 7 day service to Gorsty Hill they are an utter disgrace to the bus industry and are not fit or proper to serve BLACKHEATH. Diamond Bus has its faults but its head and shoulders over the pathetic NXWM in Blackheath. DIAMOND BUS are not perfect but at least they respect their customers in BLACKHEATH which is more than NXWM does. DIAMOND BUS is based LOCALLY in Tividale & are a local company for local people quoted on the AIM where as NXWM is part of a corporate company that is only bothered about its PLC shareholders and their dividends & not the people of Blackheath NXWM is only bothered in lining the pockets of rich fat cats.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 12, 2019, 09:51:39 PM
Reliability issues they actually try to sort i.e. the X20/X21/X22, the 997 etc. If reliability was an issue don't you think the TC would get involved?
I think you live in a fantasy world where the X8 is running late and Tony has proven they both occasions you questioned ran on time! I think you are talking out your ass...
Fantasy world well come leave your keyboard and join me on the X8 next year and you will see Tony statistics are utter tosh you can make stats work each anyway that was my job Tony insults the people of Blackheath with his comments I stand in the Market Place laughing at his stats because its the opposite of what arrives in the bus stop its easy to stand a preach from afar but I am waiting for the rubbish service that is the X8 day in day out his comments are laughable, WHY WOULD I GET ON A 13A IF THE X8 COMES FIRST YOUR COMMENTS ARE EVEN MORE LAUGHABLE if you believe Tony well i fell sorry for you have you sought medical advice lately?, have you noticed I have no fault with the 13A ASK YOURSELF WHY? BEFORE YOU INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE USING THE OLD 140 5 days a week for over 20 years the 140 was perfect and come & stand in Blackheath Market Place and talk to real people and mention the 140 then you would see you see how stupid your comments are I got off the 13A today and a mates dad was waiting for the X8 blamed me for the pathetic service that the third rate NXWM operates in Blackheath get real and try the X8 its the WORST bus service in the UK run by the evilest nastiest bus company in in the world that doesn't care a bit about the people of Blackheath and sees them them as a CASH COW NXWM feel BLACKHEATH people have no relevance well there wrong I will fight for the BEST bus service In Blackheath to my dying days and will not accept any comments from anyone who does not use buses in Blackheath 7 days a week. GET REAL AND USE THE PATHETIC SERVICE THAT IS THE X8
Well I advised everyone to use their votes wisely and its happened it now looks from a projected Conservative majority new legislation will follow as to FORCE pathetic cowboy operators such as NXWM to participate in our AQPS which will force them to provide a better bus service for Blackheath. With such a large Conservative majority we can get Blackheath folk the bus service its deserves and get on with getting our AQPS on ALL routes and get the X8 revised for the good of everyone in Blackheath. Liberation coming from the ternary of NXWM and a better bus service for all in Blackheath and not just to suite the idiots at NXWM & and finally an end for NXWM taking the good people of Blackheath for a ride and treating them as mugs. STATUTORY POWERS WILL NOW FOLLOW and a better bus service for all in Blackheath will follow great news for all.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 12, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
Do you mind giving a suggestion on what you would do instead of complaining about the X8?
SIMPLE reintroduce the old 140 timetable from before September 2018 there was nothing wrong with it I would be so grateful to go back to a lower frequency with more stops if it restores reliability back to August 2018 levels scrap the idiotic Dudley to Wolverhampton section and run it again on the old 140 timetable from Dudley to Birmingham it was perfect which shows how out of touch NXWM is with its customers and how they have arrogantly taken Blackheath folk for mugs with their we know better X8 I couldn't care less what the number of the bus is I just want the reliability levels of the old 140 back.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 11:55:25 PM
Fantasy world well come leave your keyboard and join me on the X8 next year and you will see Tony statistics are utter tosh you can make stats work each anyway that was my job Tony insults the people of Blackheath with his comments I stand in the Market Place laughing at his stats because its the opposite of what arrives in the bus stop its easy to stand a preach from afar but I am waiting for the rubbish service that is the X8 day in day out his comments are laughable, WHY WOULD I GET ON A 13A IF THE X8 COMES FIRST YOUR COMMENTS ARE EVEN MORE LAUGHABLE if you believe Tony well i fell sorry for you have you sought medical advice lately?, have you noticed I have no fault with the 13A ASK YOURSELF WHY? BEFORE YOU INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE USING THE OLD 140 5 days a week for over 20 years the 140 was perfect and come & stand in Blackheath Market Place and talk to real people and mention the 140 then you would see you see how stupid your comments are I got off the 13A today and a mates dad was waiting for the X8 blamed me for the pathetic service that the third rate NXWM operates in Blackheath get real and try the X8 its the WORST bus service in the UK run by the evilest nastiest bus company in in the world that doesn't care a bit about the people of Blackheath and sees them them as a CASH COW NXWM feel BLACKHEATH people have no relevance well there wrong I will fight for the BEST bus service In Blackheath to my dying days and will not accept any comments from anyone who does not use buses in Blackheath 7 days a week. GET REAL AND USE THE PATHETIC SERVICE THAT IS THE X8
6781 just arriving in Dudley Bus Station on time and tracking on the app to make the 06:48 from Blackheath
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 01:58:46 AM
SIMPLE reintroduce the old 140 timetable from before September 2018 there was nothing wrong with it I would be so grateful to go back to a lower frequency with more stops if it restores reliability back to August 2018 levels scrap the idiotic Dudley to Wolverhampton section and run it again on the old 140 timetable from Dudley to Birmingham it was perfect which shows how out of touch NXWM is with its customers and how they have arrogantly taken Blackheath folk for mugs with their we know better X8 I couldn't care less what the number of the bus is I just want the reliability levels of the old 140 back.
I agree with you on the X8 for me it didn't need to be an express service, the old 141 did since it went all the way to Merry Hill, but if you want your reliability back, it might not happen due to the closure of the Hagley Road underpass which May never reopen to traffic will cause Five Ways to be gridlocked at peak times. (Not that is already bad anyways.)
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 07:36:33 AM
I agree with you on the X8 for me it didn't need to be an express service, the old 141 did since it went all the way to Merry Hill, but if you want your reliability back, it might not happen due to the closure of the Hagley Road underpass which May never reopen to traffic will cause Five Ways to be gridlocked at peak times. (Not that is already bad anyways.)
I agree with all your points except Five Ways underpass it has made no difference to reliability of the 13A whilst when timed correctly the diversion via the edge of St Pauls Square a few years ago made no difference to the reliability of the 140 either.
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2019, 06:28:47 AM
6781 just arriving in Dudley Bus Station on time and tracking on the app to make the 06:48 from Blackheath
Who cares I am on holiday now till Tuesday 7th January 2020 & lets face it with such a pathetic excuse for a bus service that is the X8 I doubt very much it will turn up at 06.48 on the 7th and I will be on the 13A. I couldn't give a toss about your pathetic excuses for the X8 for the rest of the year I look forward to hearing them next year, what joy, now I can sit back and enjoy life on the excellent Diamond Bus 4H and enjoy the workings of a proper bus company with such happy memories of the ghosts of The Birmingham Coach Company that offers its passengers a top quality service to the people of Blackheath unlike other bus operators of the Crimson shade. HAPPY CHRISTMAS
But if the Wolves to Dudley section was scrapped, you may as well send the 126 to Wolves and do the original route again, especially with the fact there is X8 shorts...
It's hardly an express route is the X8, I mean after the limited stop section, it does the 140 route which does feel like it takes forever through Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixions Green, then Dudley onto Wolves.
I still think the X7 had more publicity then it would of done well...
Quote from: Jack on December 13, 2019, 01:15:42 PM
But if the Wolves to Dudley section was scrapped, you may as well send the 126 to Wolves and do the original route again, especially with the fact there is X8 shorts...
It's hardly an express route is the X8, I mean after the limited stop section, it does the 140 route which does feel like it takes forever through Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixions Green, then Dudley onto Wolves.
I still think the X7 had more publicity then it would of done well...
Yes scrap the X8 and bring back the 140 & old 126 Jack
Quote from: Jack on December 13, 2019, 01:15:42 PM
But if the Wolves to Dudley section was scrapped, you may as well send the 126 to Wolves and do the original route again, especially with the fact there is X8 shorts...
It's hardly an express route is the X8, I mean after the limited stop section, it does the 140 route which does feel like it takes forever through Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixions Green, then Dudley onto Wolves.
I still think the X7 had more publicity then it would of done well...
X8 is limited stop between Quinton and Birmingham
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 13, 2019, 02:29:11 PM
X8 is limited stop between Quinton and Birmingham
I know that, and so is the X10. Still gets stuck in Hagley Road, Five Ways and the Broad Street diversions traffic so goes the same speed the 9 would go. Still the 9 serves all stops between Quinton and Birmingham.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
Who cares I am on holiday now till Tuesday 7th January 2020 & lets face it with such a pathetic excuse for a bus service that is the X8 I doubt very much it will turn up at 06.48 on the 7th and I will be on the 13A. I couldn't give a toss about your pathetic excuses for the X8 for the rest of the year I look forward to hearing them next year, what joy, now I can sit back and enjoy life on the excellent Diamond Bus 4H and enjoy the workings of a proper bus company with such happy memories of the ghosts of The Birmingham Coach Company that offers its passengers a top quality service to the people of Blackheath unlike other bus operators of the Crimson shade. HAPPY CHRISTMAS
You think diamond is better than Natex?? 😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Jack on December 13, 2019, 02:36:07 PM
I know that, and so is the X10. Still gets stuck in Hagley Road, Five Ways and the Broad Street diversions traffic so goes the same speed the 9 would go. Still the 9 serves all stops between Quinton and Birmingham.
Will be happy once these broad street/five ways diversion end! The traffic flow around Birmingham may improve
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 13, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
Will be happy once these broad street/five ways diversion end! The traffic flow around Birmingham may improve
For over the 20 years I used the 140 daily I can never remember a time there wasnt some kind of building work or diversion on the route in the City nothing changes. As I have said previously the so called Limited Stop X8 is the stupidist idea ever in NXWM history only such a bunch of idiots at NXWM could have replaced the perfectly good 140 with the utter shambles that is the X8.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 13, 2019, 03:09:25 PM
You think diamond is better than Natex?? 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes NXWM is a shambolic company run by idiots that treat Blackheath customers with disdain with unprofessional drivers who are down right rude on the X8 and the 4H withstupidestidist fleet of buses anyone could imagine whereas Diamond Bus has friendly drivers, buses thatcharacterfulrfull and run to thier published timetabes.l Diamond Bus is far superior than the utter rubbish that is NXWM they are HATED in Blackheath
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Yes NXWM is a shambolic company run by idiots the treat Blackheath customers with disdain whereas Diamond Bus has friendly drivers, buses that are very charactorfull and run to thier published timetables. Diamomd Bus is far superior the utter rubbish that is NXWM they are HATED in Blackheath
So bus drivers who think it's ok to go on their phones while driving and buses that set a-light more times than a fireplace on a cold winters evening are superior standards???????
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 13, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
So bus drivers who think it's ok to go on their phones while driving and buses that set a-light more times than a fireplace on a cold winters evening are superior standards???????
Diamond Bus is far superior to NXWM in every respect I have found that since day one of their operations as The Birmingham Coach Company on the 27th October 1986 but I do agree I do not know how NXWM get away with it either I really don't the number of NXWM drivers I have reported for using their phones and the level of breakdowns and fires at NXWM is appalling.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Yes NXWM is a shambolic company run by idiots that treat Blackheath customers with disdain with unprofessional drivers who are down right rude on the X8 and the 4H withstupidestidist fleet of buses anyone could imagine whereas Diamond Bus has friendly drivers, buses thatcharacterfulrfull and run to thier published timetabes.l Diamond Bus is far superior than the utter rubbish that is NXWM they are HATED in Blackheath
Now as a former employee of TfWM, I should warn you that you simply cannot make comments like that as it can be seen as a favouring one operator over another.
Quote from: Dom on December 13, 2019, 05:52:42 PM
Now as a former employee of TfWM, I should warn you that you simply cannot make comments like that as it can be seen as a favouring one operator over another.
I am not employed in any manner by Transport for West Midlands and have never have been in any form under a contract of employment subject to PAYE. I have never have been an employee, yes I am a TfWM Bus Champion but that is purely voluntary and has no relevance to my comments on this forum as they are well known by the other members, in addition I am not subject to a contract of employment of any kind with the WMCA and so would why would I not be able to make my own comments about operators on this site. I was employed by H M Government and was not allowed to use social media but resigned last month at the start of Purdah & was cleared to post on the forum do you think I would be stupid enough to break any GDPR rules so on what grounds are asking me NOT make my comments this to me smacks of censorship of a forum not happy with the opinions of a member?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 06:23:18 PM
I am not employed in any manner by Transport for West Midlands and have never have been in any form under a contract of employment subject to PAYE. I have never have been an employee, yes I am a TfWM Bus Champion but that is purely voluntary and has no relevance to my comments on this forum as they are well known by the other members, in addition I am not subject to a contract of employment of any kind with the WMCA and so would why would I not be able to make my own comments about operators on this site. I was employed by H M Government and was not allowed to use social media but resigned last month at the start of Purdah & was cleared to post on the forum do you think I would be stupid enough to break any GDPR rules so on what grounds are asking me NOT make my comments this to me smacks of censorship of a forum not happy with the opinions of a member?
None of the 3 moderators have done any form of censorship on you
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2019, 06:38:49 PM
None of the 3 moderators have done any form of censorship on you
I have not mentioned anything about the moderators in my post if you bothered to read it I was replying to
@Dom who if you read the post accused me of not being able to post about operators as I was a former employee of TfWM which I was not to me that to me is poster using his comments to try to censor mine there was nothing in my posts that relate to the moderators I for one admire your honesty in defending the X8 although I don't agree with them I fully respect your comments but am curious to your comments as I have not referred to the moderators in my comments but was replying to
@Dom who i felt was in his opinion was trying to censor my comments as mine which were clearly not directed at the moderators & if I thought you were were I would direct them to you not via a third party but from your reply perhaps I was right you are worried about my comments and your using this to defend yourself when it is not neccesary, most odd I cannot think why?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 13, 2019, 04:22:22 PM
So bus drivers who think it's ok to go on their phones while driving and buses that set a-light more times than a fireplace on a cold winters evening are superior standards???????
What's wrong with that?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 06:54:48 AM
Its 06.48 in Blackheath Market Place no sign of @Sh4318 waiting for the X8 just us regulars with @Sh4318 yesterday asking was the 140 such a Holy Grail? The answer is YES the 140 run from PN came to the bus stop and took me to work daily. The X8 from WN is the WORST bus service in the UK it is run buy a totally inept and incompetent bus operator. They are absolutely pathetic who in the rights minds replaces a good service like the PN 140 with this complete and unmitigated disaster not someone who is competent anyway. As ever no sign of the WN X8 I am on the 13A that's come, but that's not the point why should I have to use an indirect route when an utterly shambolic company cannot get its main service to the stop on time at this time in the morning what hope is there for the rest of the day. They are not fit for purpose as a bus company and today use your vote wisely lets get Blackheaths bus services back regulated and partnership contracts on all routes and get this third rate operator held to account, lets get the PN 140 back the WN X8 off and get this cowboy bus operator regulated for the good of all bus users not just us sad souls who have to use the shambles that is the WN X8!
Do you mind not tagging me in posts? I really couldn't give a toss, I was just getting fed up with your moaning about having an every 20 minute limited stop service to the city centre with high tech platinum buses
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 12, 2019, 03:14:46 PM
Nothing surprises me with NXWM on the 4H they are utterly hopeless its lucky we have Diamond Bus showing them how to do it on Gorsty Hill with the 231 round the corner who needs NXWM with 5 Diamonds an hour.
I would take NX over Diamond anyday, simply watch them on the 16 if your bored and watch how many Diamond drivers run red lights or how many use the hockley flyover instead of going around it
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 13, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
Do you mind not tagging me in posts? I really couldn't give a toss, I was just getting fed up with your moaning about having an every 20 minute limited stop service to the city centre with high tech platinum buses
Why would I want a 20 minute limited stop service to the city centre with high tech platinum buses that never turn up when previously had a 30 minuet stopping service with Tridents that did? I will cease to "tagging" you at your request BUT IT WAS YOU THAT ASKED ME WAS THE 140 A "HOLY GRAIL" SO WHY MOAN WHEN I REPLY AND WHY ASK IN THE FIRST PLACE IF YOU DONT GIVE A TOSS ODD THAT. CHEERS
Quote from: Lukeee on December 13, 2019, 07:22:29 PM
I would take NX over Diamond anyday, simply watch them on the 16 if your bored and watch how many Diamond drivers run red lights or how many use the hockley flyover instead of going around it
I know the Hockley Flyover well and visit the the Boulton Industrial Business Park in Ickneild Street twice a week and always use the Diamond 16 as it is a quality premiere route and would never ever dream of using the inferior NXWM 16 or 74 I always wait oppoisite the TSB for Diamond & outside the newsagents next to the fish & chip shop at the flyover coming back I always use the Diamond 16 never ever NXWM & never ever see them miss the roundabout perhaps you have been unlucky and seen an NIS so your point is?
I drive the NX 16 and have seen Diamond use the flyover whilst in service on more than one occasion
Quote from: Lukeee on December 13, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
I drive the NX 16 and have seen Diamond use the flyover whilst in service on more than one occasion
Funny that I never have and I use it twice a week.I often see NXWM buses cutting up cars at the island and sailing past the stop when NXWM Travelcard holders are waiting luckly I always wait for the Diamond Bus 16 its far better than NXWM isnt it so who could blame me?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Funny that I never have and I use it twice a week.I often see NXWM buses cutting up cars at the island and sailing past the stop when NXWM Travelcard holders are waiting luckly I always wait for the Diamond Bus 16 its far better than NXWM isnt it so who could blame me?
If Diamond are so much better than NX, then remind me why all their popular routes are joint with NX (4,4H,16,31,32 and the 50). They use 9-11 year old buses on their popular routes only the 50 and 226 have newer Euro 6 buses. They failed to compete with NX on the 17,37 and the 97. The only popular route that they have that isn't joint with NX is the 226 and that speaks volumes to me.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Why would I want a 20 minute limited stop service to the city centre with high tech platinum buses that never turn up when previously had a 30 minuet stopping service with Tridents that did? I will cease to "tagging" you at your request. CHEERS
So you would rather have 14 year old Tridents that are almost at the end of their life than new MMCs?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
If Diamond are so much better than NX, then remind me why all their popular routes are joint with NX (4,4H,16,31,32 and the 50). They use 9-11 year old buses on their popular routes only the 50 and 226 have newer Euro 6 buses. They failed to compete with NX on the 17,37 and the 97. The only popular route that they have that isn't joint with NX is the 226 and that speaks volumes to me.
From my own experience Diamond Bus are the best but its subjective I admire them holding thier own and competing against NXWM the difference of thier net worth is huge so why not support someone who is giving the major operator competition in a very tough market and remember the 4H was always a Ludlows & Diamond route as the 404E & 417 & its NXWM who chose to compete against them between West Bromwich & Hayley Green albeit badly oh and Diamond 002 has new Streetlites on it and runs 7 days a week & remember Diamond run a lot of TfWM contracts to those who would not have a service otherwise at the lowest cost to the Council Tax payer & they have been operating sucessfully with various owners for 33 years they must be doing something right.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
If Diamond are so much better than NX, then remind me why all their popular routes are joint with NX (4,4H,16,31,32 and the 50). They use 9-11 year old buses on their popular routes only the 50 and 226 have newer Euro 6 buses. They failed to compete with NX on the 17,37 and the 97. The only popular route that they have that isn't joint with NX is the 226 and that speaks volumes to me.
Don't forget the 002 which has surely got to be one of their most popular routes which also has no competition.
Quote from: sonic84 on December 13, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Don't forget the 002 which has surely got to be one of their most popular routes which also has no competition.
Yes
@sonic84 I think with Diamond Bus you either love them or loathe them I have loved them for 33 years of service that alone must prove they are doing something right I was on one first of thier 16s on 27th October 1986 & the 217 shortly after.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
So you would rather have 14 year old Tridents that are almost at the end of their life than new MMCs?
Hardly at the end of their life when they've got Euro 6 traps and Crimson repaints and interiors... and those MMC's aren't even new, 3 years old isn't new at all, especially for a bus that does route that are busy quite often.
Quote from: Jack on December 13, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
Hardly at the end of their life when they've got Euro 6 traps and Crimson repaints and interiors... and those MMC's aren't even new, 3 years old isn't new at all, especially for a bus that does route that are busy quite often.
Whats wrong with the 3 year old MMC.
The ones at BC are still in a good internal condition from what I've seen, no different to the newer 69XX.
And these are mostly used on busy routes such as the X1/X2, X20/X21/X22 and 23/24.
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 09:16:35 PM
Whats wrong with the 3 year old MMC.
The ones at BC are still in a good internal condition from what I've seen, no different to the newer 69XX.
And these are mostly used on busy routes.
What did I say was wrong with the 3 year old MMC's? Nothing, all I said was they wasn't new anymore.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
So you would rather have 14 year old Tridents that are almost at the end of their life than new MMCs?
Yes give me my PN Tridents or B7s back tomorrow on the 140 they were reliable, never let me down and operated a quality service now I am stuck with over spec rubbish MMCs with stupid seats that when they actually turn up they often break down so what would you chose to go to work on an old bus running half hourly that runs a reliable service you can rely on or the 20min frequency which is laughable with a heap of over spec rubbish that never turns up when you want it the Plattys are the most stupid buses ever sourced for routes like the X8/140 I was always happy with a Leyland Lynx or B7 on the 140 not the rubbish that we have on it today. I hate the Plattys with all my heart give me the 13A E400s & Tridents any they are reliabile.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 09:33:25 PM
Yes give me my PN Tridents or B7s back tomorrow on the 140 they were reliable, never let me down and operated a quality service now I am stuck with over spec rubbish MMCs with stupid seats that when they actually turn up they often break down so what would you chose to go to work on an old bus running half hourly that runs a reliable service you can rely on or the 20min frequency which is laughable with a heap of over spec rubbish that never turns up when you want it the Plattys are the most stupid buses ever sourced for routes like the X8/140 I was always happy with a Leyland Lynx or B7 on the 140 not the rubbish that we have on it today. I hate the Plattys with all my heart give me the 13A E400s & Tridents any they are reliabile.
The ones I regularly use at BC don't break down regularly and I can rely on them . Don't know how often they actually break down, but I don't see them broken down more often than I see any other vehicle type broken down.
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
The ones I regularly use at BC don't break down regularly and I can rely on them . Don't know how often they actually break down, but I don't see them broken down more often than I see any other vehicle type broken down.
The WN ones are utterly hopeless they remind me of the ex Hull Atlanteans we had on the 140 in.1976 that replaced the BMMO D9s along with the Hull.hulks the Plattys are the worst buses ever to operate on.the route on the 140(X8) even.more worse than a B6LE I can assure you
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 09:53:31 PM
The WN ones are utterly hopeless they remind me of the ex Hull Atlanteans we had on the 140 in.1976 that replaced the BMMO D9s along with the Hull.hulks the Plattys are the worst buses ever to operate on.the route on the 140(X8) even.more worse than a B6LE I can assure you
I get platinums mixed in with E400 (63 plates) and hybrids on the 15 and never has one broke down on me. Saw a e400 brokedown on portway the other day and that's the first time I seen NX broke down on THAT route. 15/16/17 are quite reliable barring if roadworks in Stourbridge stop popping up and when the traffic is crap from Stourbridge to Wordsley during peaks.
No bus company is perfect goes for NX, Diamond and all the other operators in the Midlands. Compare the traffic levels between 2000 and 2019, it's got a lot worse hence all the rail/tram extensions, new stations etc to curb people using their car. Various events can take a bus out of action including diamond, shortage of drivers which diamond has got in Manchester that is causing short term problems , late minute sickness or passengers throwing up or spilling something etc.
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 09:38:27 PM
The ones I regularly use at BC don't break down regularly and I can rely on them . Don't know how often they actually break down, but I don't see them broken down more often than I see any other vehicle type broken down.
One broke down this morning, but generally they are quite reliable.
Quote from: mesub on December 13, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
One broke down this morning, but generally they are quite reliable.
Not on the X8 they are not utter rubbish buses that are not fit for purpose the 15plate E400s on.the PN 9, 140 and 141 were far superior and joy to ride on the WN Plattys are only fit for the scrappers.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 09:53:31 PM
The WN ones are utterly hopeless they remind me of the ex Hull Atlanteans we had on the 140 in.1976 that replaced the BMMO D9s along with the Hull.hulks the Plattys are the worst buses ever to operate on.the route on the 140(X8) even.more worse than a B6LE I can assure you
The Platinums, from a passenger perspective at least, are decent buses. Good seats, excellent legroom and generally decent build quality. I don't understand the issue with them and the WN ones are no different to others in the same batch.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 13, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
If Diamond are so much better than NX, then remind me why all their popular routes are joint with NX (4,4H,16,31,32 and the 50). They use 9-11 year old buses on their popular routes only the 50 and 226 have newer Euro 6 buses. They failed to compete with NX on the 17,37 and the 97. The only popular route that they have that isn't joint with NX is the 226 and that speaks volumes to me.
To be fair to Diamond, the rate of their growth percentage wise is far more than NX. They just invest in new markets rather than existing ones unlike NX who reinvest. In other words, compare Rotala 14 years ago to where they are now and then compare NX and then talk about what speaks volumes. Quality is obviously a trade off, but growth wise, they're doing very well.
Quote from: MW on December 14, 2019, 02:07:26 AM
To be fair to Diamond, the rate of their growth percentage wise is far more than NX. They just invest in new markets rather than existing ones unlike NX who reinvest. In other words, compare Rotala 14 years ago to where they are now and then compare NX and then talk about what speaks volumes. Quality is obviously a trade off, but growth wise, they're doing very well.
Fair point the West Midlands is a hard market Rotala seem happy with little Organic Growth & Competitive Growth but mainly growth by acquisitions typified in Stourbridge the new Government and its AQP & EP's will be more to Rotalas Benefit than NEPLC. NEPLC have worked hard at the synergy's of scale at NXWM and been successfully but growth has still been only about 2%. The savage cuts on Hagley Rd Services on the 12 & 12A compared to the 120 & A and on the 13 & A compered to 127 & 128 and the 9 are well cloaked by the Platinum introductions on the 140 and 9 but there is no denying the PVR cut on the 9 from every 7 Min's to every 10 Min's with just 1 extra 140 per hour to Quinton instead. Its clever but very bad news for passengers as the drive for margins for shareholders outweighs the needs of customers which is why EPs and AQPs will be so important under the new government. The reason I do not like NXWM.so much is because the so called reviews they have mask massive cuts to its core network each time its a very clever PR look at Lion Farm cut from 3 120A's & 2 289s to 4 3s as & 4 140/241 to 3 X8s with the 9 every 10Min's instead of 7 Min's. Clever marketing poor poor results for passengers NXWM is a nasty company running a poor service overall due to its savage synergy's of scale and obsessive vertical integration I hate it
Quote from: Mike K on December 13, 2019, 11:06:56 PM
The Platinum's, from a passenger perspective at least, are decent buses. Good seats, excellent legroom and generally decent build quality. I don't understand the issue with them and the WN ones are no different to others in the same batch.
Vile buses with horrid seats that sweat you in summer so dark inside its like being down a coal mine with so many rattles they out do a snake they harbour bad behaviour at the upper rear and are so unreliable give me the old PN 15 plate E400 any day or the B7S nice and comfy they are the worst buses on the 140 since the 1976 Hull Atlanteans how anyone can see these as an improvement on a Trident is beyond me they are just a third rate gimmick and were stuck with the vile hulks of scrap on the X8.
Quote from: Mike K on December 13, 2019, 11:06:56 PM
The Platinums, from a passenger perspective at least, are decent buses. Good seats, excellent legroom and generally decent build quality. I don't understand the issue with them and the WN ones are no different to others in the same batch.
Not the best build quality in my opinion. Fair bit of rattles - and no not just on Quinton road where the road is an atrocious state.
See a fair few breakdowns on them too, not sure if that's because how many there are though. Certainly can fly on roads - X8 drivers drive them very fast down the hagley road from my experience
The Platinums are decent buses, the only gripe is the back seats on the older ones (2015 examples) have now gone rock hard after carrying busy loads. But I guess that's to be expected.
I have seen the 2016 ones break down the most out of the rest of the other Platinums.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 14, 2019, 09:42:08 AM
Not the best build quality in my opinion. Fair bit of rattles - and no not just on Quinton road where the road is an atrocious state.
See a fair few breakdowns on them too, not sure if that's because how many there are though. Certainly can fly on roads - X8 drivers drive them very fast down the hagley road from my experience
The X8 drivers have to drive them fast on Hagley Rd they are always late that's why. Far from over 20 years the 140 dates back to the early part of the last century however I dont bother what number the service is from Blackheath to Birmingham my complaint is a regular quaulity service being replaced by an unreliable service that is abysmal if it wasnt so serious it would be laughable beyond contempt.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 09:53:31 PM
The WN ones are utterly hopeless they remind me of the ex Hull Atlanteans we had on the 140 in.1976 that replaced the BMMO D9s along with the Hull.hulks the Plattys are the worst buses ever to operate on.the route on the 140(X8) even.more worse than a B6LE I can assure you
Yes they must be utterly hopeless, 34 out of 34 on the road most days. What terrible buses they are!! Shall I go into charging your phone, better legroom, brighter LED tubes, wifi. Need I go on? Awful buses.
Quote from: BN on December 14, 2019, 09:53:45 AM
Yes they must be utterly hopeless, 34 out of 34 on the road most days. What terrible buses they are!! Shall I go into charging your phone, better legroom, brighter LED tubes, wifi. Need I go on? Awful buses.
Why anyone would want to charge their phone or be bothered about legroom or have to squint in the dark due to hideous LED on a local short journey bus from Blackheath to Birmingham is beyond me for a half hour journey they are the work of the devil and the sooner they axe the failure of X8 the better and get a normal stopping bus back on Hagley Rd to get these hideous wreaks off the road and restore proper buses fit for purpose on the 140 I doubt anyone who comments how good they are has to use the rotten buses day in day out like me again next year when they actually turn up. VILE BUSES VILE SERVICE.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 14, 2019, 10:06:27 AM
Why anyone would want to charge their phone or be bothered about legroom or have to squint in the dark due to hideous LED on a local short journey bus from Blackheath to Birmingham is beyond me for a half hour journey they are the work of the devil and the sooner they axe the failure of X8 the better and get a normal stopping bus back on Hagley Rd to get these hideous wreaks off the road and restore proper buses fit for purpose on the 140 I doubt anyone who comments how good they are has to use the rotten buses day in day out like me again next year when they actually turn up. VILE BUSES VILE SERVICE.
I use the 23 which is also Platinum every single weekday, twice a day. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on as we are fast descending into another X8 thread.
Quote from: Mike K on December 14, 2019, 10:14:04 AM
I use the 23 which is also Platinum every single weekday, twice a day. Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on as we are fast descending into another X8 thread.
I will agree with you the ones on the 23. I use the X22 regularly when coming from Brum to Balmoral Rd thankfully I can get a Diamond home mind you and persumb they are the same on the X22 as the 23 and have no complaints about your Platys nor the new ones on the 9, the ones on the X8 came of the 126 & are the most vile hulks ever created.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 14, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
I will agree with you the ones on the 23. I use the X22 regularly when coming from Brum to Balmoral Rd thankfully I can get a Diamond home mind you and persumb they are the same on the X22 as the 23 and have no complaints about your Platys nor the new ones on the 9, the ones on the X8 came of the 126 & are the most vile hulks ever created.
The 16/66 batch are used by services 529/X8/X1/X2/X3/X4/X5/X14 so they all must be vile dirty, late running services....
Let's be frank you are sour that the 140 has gone (after 20 years) been replaced by up to every 20 mins service
The 15 I used is about to change again. It has been as long as I have lived and used it been renumbered, re-routed several times... 260/261 then 254/255 then 255/E then 15/A now coming January it's changing again with the mysterious 57 which will probably be the wall heath shortens and the 15 going the current 16 between kford and Spring Hill and then probably via Merry Hill (Wolverhampton) to Wolves (current 4) every change it's been reliable barring the roadworks etc.
Changing routes is adapting to new and coming needs. If they kept to the old routes then well the first effect would happen cuts and more cuts. The problem is people get so used to the old way that when changes occurs it's time to get the pitch forks out.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 14, 2019, 04:57:32 PM
The 16/66 batch are used by services 529/X8/X1/X2/X3/X4/X5/X14 so they all must be vile dirty, late running services....
23/24 and X20/X21/X22 as well see a number of 66 plates a daily, as well as the usual route banded ones.
Topic split off from Wolverhampton garage thread.
For complaining about services in Blackheath (also including the X8), please use the existing thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5586.0
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 14, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
Known locally to my cousin who lives locally and uses them as Misery Motors he perceives them to be terrible operator and not a patch on the excellent service provided by Saregent Brothers. I know when I was at Midland Red West we ran the 435 and the Knighton 7s but they mainly ran about carrying fresh air and little else with terrible funding from.Shropshire County Council, Herefordshire CC was far better at procurement i remember when at MRW we treated Misery Motors like Ludlows of Halesowen as a joke operator to just laugh at. I seem to remember my cousin saying they had a bad crash with a lorry on the A49 a few years ago and he never feels safe on their buses.
I think it really unfair to call Ludlows of Halesowen a joke operator. Unlike many other operators they started their own routes rather than directly competing against TWM, one of which, the 002, is still operating, replaced National with low-floor modern vehicles in fleet livery, operated coach trips. They withstood a period when Birmingham Coach Company ran buses 5 minutes infront of every journey they operated. ROTALA obviously considered them be a respectable and profitable operator otherwise they wouldn't have purchased them. I consider them to be a highly respected operator. If you're calling Ludlows a joke how would you describe operators like Thandi, GRS, Sandwell Travel, Travel Express...?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 14, 2019, 07:23:38 PM
I think it really unfair to call Ludlows of Halesowen a joke operator. Unlike many other operators they started their own routes rather than directly competing against TWM, one of which, the 002, is still operating, replaced National with low-floor modern vehicles in fleet livery, operated coach trips. They withstood a period when Birmingham Coach Company ran buses 5 minutes infront of every journey they operated. ROTALA obviously considered them be a respectable and profitable operator otherwise they wouldn't have purchased them. I consider them to be a highly respected operator. If you're calling Ludlows a joke how would you describe operators like Thandi, GRS, Sandwell Travel, Travel Express...?
I am not going to make any further comment on Ludlows of Halesowen it is clear in the earlier posts I have made on the forum in the Blackheath & Halesowen forum why I consider Ludlows a "joke" in Blackheath the matter is closed.
I think this guy is having a break down (pardon the pun)! Try living just over the border in South Staffs where buses in Cannock and Stafford stop running around 8pm and are none existent on Sundays due to council cut backs. You'd soon want to go back to your area.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Funny that I never have and I use it twice a week.I often see NXWM buses cutting up cars at the island and sailing past the stop when NXWM Travelcard holders are waiting luckly I always wait for the Diamond Bus 16 its far better than NXWM isnt it so who could blame me?
If the Diamond bus is better than the NX then why don't Diamond run it as often or as late as NX
Quote from: Lukeee on December 15, 2019, 12:17:06 AM
If the Diamond bus is better than the NX then why don't Diamond run it as often or as late as NX
Economies of scale sadly Lukeee & to be honest I think I have made enough of my personal feelings of Diamond Bus & The Birmingham Coach Company known. Everyone is well aware of them and those I hold of Ludlows, NXWM and the X8 & i would rather move on to more important subjects on buses in the West Midlands if thats ok.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on December 14, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
I think this guy is having a break down (pardon the pun)! Try living just over the border in South Staffs where buses in Cannock and Stafford stop running around 8pm and are none existent on Sundays due to council cut backs. You'd soon want to go back to your area.
Sadly its not me having the breakdown its the X8 day in day out & whats the point in having a bus service that is so rubbish and not fit for purpose that it is so unusable leading to me getting the indirect 13A instead, that said I won't be using it again till the 7th January my moans about how dire the X8 are over for this year I think I have done them to death anyway and have reached the terminus. Who cares about the X8 I dont for now I am now on holiday so it will be nice now to sit back and enjoy the comments from other posters in the forum many of which from the posts they make have never set foot on a bus in years and are armchair bus users or car drivers let alone ever used the 140 and X8 5 days a week for over 20 years but thats it from me till 06:48 on 7/1/20; I wonder if that will be on time or even bother to turn up, we will have to wait to see?; until then lets us see what excuses and opinions come next on this thread. Mind you none of them are as funny as NXWMs on the route but keep trying..............
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 04:52:20 AM
Sadly its not me having the breakdown its the X8 day in day out & whats the point in having a bus service that is so rubbish and not fit for purpose that it is so unusable leading to me getting the indirect 13A instead, that said I won't be using it again till the 7th January my moans about how dire the X8 are over for this year I think I have done them to death anyway and have reached the terminus. Who cares about the X8 I dont for now I am now on holiday so it will be nice now to sit back and enjoy the comments from other posters in the forum many of which from the posts they make have never set foot on a bus in years and are armchair bus users or car drivers let alone ever used the 140 and X8 5 days a week for over 20 years but thats it from me till 06:48 on 7/1/20; I wonder if that will be on time or even bother to turn up, we will have to wait to see?; until then lets us see what excuses and opinions come next on this thread. Mind you none of them are as funny as NXWMs on the route but keep trying..............
You are saying that the X8 is rubbish, doesn't turn up and the buses are "vile", but that is just your opinion.
If the service is as bad as you say it is, which i very much doubt, then find another method of making your journey.
All you seem to have done since joining this forum is to moan and groan and make out you know better than everyone else. I come on here to read about what is going on in the transport world in the West Midlands, not to see someone moaning 24/7.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 15, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
You are saying that the X8 is rubbish, doesn't turn up and the buses are "vile", but that is just your opinion.
If the service is as bad as you say it is, which i very much doubt, then find another method of making your journey.
All you seem to have done since joining this forum is to moan and groan and make out you know better than everyone else. I come on here to read about what is going on in the transport world in the West Midlands, not to see someone moaning 24/7.
Have Found Alternative Transport :13A Blackheath - Birmingham it leaves also at 06.48(Excellent Service) Not another moan untill 06:48 Tuesday 7th January 2019 I am now on holiday from moaning & are not using the X8, as I posted I have reached the terminus on the matter for 2019.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
Have Found Alternative Transport :13A Blackheath - Birmingham it leaves also at 06.48(Excellent Service) Not another moan untill 06:48 Tuesday 7th January 2019 I am now on holiday from moaning & are not using the X8, as I posted I have reached the terminus on the matter for 2019.
Not another moan till the 7th Jan, sure you said that 3 days ago haha.
Quote from: BN on December 15, 2019, 06:13:42 PM
Not another moan till the 7th Jan, sure you said that 3 days ago haha.
I am not aware of any moans today. I have only changed my strapline today on the thread start the clock..
Its a wet night got on brand new Enviro, clear destination, smiling driver, lovely warm bright interior red cumfy seats with yellow hand rails, USB port, leg room, bus number sign to give feedback.
But its not a Platinum bus, it's a 278 to Heathrow Airport.
Perhaps it's time to inspire travellers theres a future thats a different colour to anthracite!
Quote from: JoNi on December 15, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
Its a wet night got on brand new Enviro, clear destination, smiling driver, lovely warm bright interior red cumfy seats with yellow hand rails, USB port, leg room, bus number sign to give feedback.
But its not a Platinum bus, it's a 278 to Heathrow Airport.
Perhaps it's time to inspire travellers theres a future thats a different colour to anthracite!
By a wierd chance as ever with me and this is NOT A MOAN hasnt TfL Heathrow Airport 140 stopped running now too!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 08:13:45 PM
By a wierd chance as ever with me and this NOT A MOAN hasnt TfL Heathrow Airport 140 stopped running now too!
Curtailed to Hayes & Harlington, with a new X140 replacing the cut section of the route, I believe
Quote from: CL on December 15, 2019, 08:16:02 PM
Curtailed to Hayes & Harlington, with a new X140 replacing the cut section of the route, I believe
Right cheers thanks thought I had heard of similar changes to the TfL 140 as to ours in the West Midlands County.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 08:19:58 PM
Right cheers thanks thought I had heard of similar changes to the TfL 140 as to ours in the West Midlands County.
The X140 is actually limited stop. Last time I caught an "X" route to Dudley I had a scenic tour of the Black Country!
Quote from: JoNi on December 15, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
The X140 is actually limited stop. Last time I caught an "X" route to Dudley I had a scenic tour of the Black Country!
I should have a detailed look at this thread as it refers to an actual specific Limited Stop service that serves selected stops only between Blackheath Market Place (Quinton Church) & Birmingham Colmore Row it serves all stops to Dudley & Wolverhampton from Blackheath.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
Have Found Alternative Transport :13A Blackheath - Birmingham it leaves also at 06.48(Excellent Service) Not another moan untill 06:48 Tuesday 7th January 2019 I am now on holiday from moaning & are not using the X8, as I posted I have reached the terminus on the matter for 2019.
If only there was a train station in Blackheath with fast and frequent trains to Birmingham 🤔
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 15, 2019, 11:06:05 PM
If only there was a train station in Blackheath with fast and frequent trains to Birmingham 🤔
A what?. Sorry I dont follow or understand the concept.......
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 15, 2019, 11:06:05 PM
If only there was a train station in Blackheath with fast and frequent trains to Birmingham 🤔
Interesting the suggestion is then I walk.past the X8 bus stop in Blackheath to walk the extra half a mile to get a train to Snow Hill from Rowley Regis Station to then get the X8 from outside Snow Hill Station back to Edgbaston Francis Rd well its a different concept I will grant you.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 16, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
It would give you something else to MOAN about
SORRY Not In Service (untill 06.48 7/1/20)
Quote from: karl724223 on December 16, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
It would give you something else to MOAN about
There is no need to delete
@karl724223 posts to me I used to deal with many drivers who thought they had ideas above thier Leyland Lynxes at Midland Red West so know most have a large Almex sorry Chip on thier shoulder - its fine by me.
I deleted Karl's post - It's much better on the forum when PN's finest are quiet! Plus no reference to buses in his comments.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 15, 2019, 11:56:18 PM
Interesting the suggestion is then I walk.past the X8 bus stop in Blackheath to walk the extra half a mile to get a train to Snow Hill from Rowley Regis Station to then get the X8 from outside Snow Hill Station back to Edgbaston Francis Rd well its a different concept I will grant you.
It's hardly half a mile from Blackheath High Street to Rowley Regis Station, you could easily get a 4 down to the stop and just walk down Station Road... it's not that hard.
Quote from: Jack on December 16, 2019, 08:35:15 PM
It's hardly half a mile from Blackheath High Street to Rowley Regis Station, you could easily get a 4 down to the stop and just walk down Station Road... it's not that hard.
it's like one stop and it's about 100-200yards past the jct with station road so easier just walking tbh
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 16, 2019, 09:09:16 PM
it's like one stop and it's about 100-200yards past the jct with station road so easier just walking tbh
Exactly, I don't understand what he is moaning about it being 'half a mile'. It only takes 15 minutes at most to walk it.
Quote from: Jack on December 16, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
Exactly, I don't understand what he is moaning about it being 'half a mile'. It only takes 15 minutes at most to walk it.
And then get from Snow Hill to Five Ways. Whilst I may disagree with his views on the X8 why woud anyone takeva 15 minute walk, a train, another walk and then a bus, and pay more for the privilege when there is a direct bus
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
And then get from Snow Hill to Five Ways. Whilst I may disagree with his views on the X8 why woud anyone takeva 15 minute walk, a train, another walk and then a bus, and pay more for the privilege when there is a direct bus
Although I would never use the train myself as the station is in a stupid location; I blame GWR; they also don't tend to have a top deck in the UK so you cant see anything off them and i am not one to stand about waiting let alone its goes nowhere near Edgbaston as Five Ways is on another line. I understand from mates who have an abject fear using the bus and will only use them with me when I wave a Daysaver5 under their noses the rail services from Rowley Regis of West Midlands Railway & Chiltern are quite popular and well used by some who prefer it to the bus service from Blackheath to the City.
@richardjones210368 - Blackheath/Halesowen thread & X8 thread have been merged in to the above as suggested.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 14, 2019, 09:03:45 AM
Known locally to my cousin who lives locally and uses them as Misery Motors he perceives them to be terrible operator and not a patch on the excellent service provided by Saregent Brothers....
Trying to work out the logic in dragging up a half year old topic just to slag off the operator...
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2019, 01:43:23 AM
@richardjones210368 - Blackheath/Halesowen thread & X8 thread have been merged in to the above as suggested.
Thanks
@Winston we can get Blackheath's world of bus in an one stop place for NXWM, Diamond Bus & Green Bus services and TfWM decisions effecting the town.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 14, 2019, 08:12:45 PM
I am not going to make any further comment on Ludlows of Halesowen it is clear in the earlier posts I have made on the forum in the Blackheath & Halesowen forum why I consider Ludlows a "joke" in Blackheath the matter is closed.
I think you need to get your facts right mate I have know the old owner of Ludlows and his family very well for many years how dare you go around slagging them off. They were a very well respected company by passengers, drivers and even bus and coach seen. If u have problem with his company and his family that's your issue but don't u dare start say stuff like that!! And for the record Minsterley one miserable driver and he works the 552/553!
Quote from: Reece on December 18, 2019, 10:55:47 AM
I think you need to get your facts right mate I have know the old owner of Ludlows and his family very well for many years how dare you go around slagging them off. They were a very well respected company by passengers, drivers and even bus and coach seen. If u have problem with his company and his family that's your issue but don't u dare start say stuff like that!! And for the record Minsterley one miserable driver and he works the 552/553!
I repeat I am not going to make any further comment on Ludlows of Halesowen Limited save that I have the up most respect for its former owners and admire them greatly I wish them well in their retirement and in NO way wish to as you describe "go around slagging them off" which I have not done in any post it is clear in the earlier posts I have made on the forum in the Blackheath forum why I consider the now defunct COMPANY a "joke" in Blackheath the matter is closed. By the way Reece you have an excellent selection of photos on your flickr page they are first class and would recommend anyone to have a look at them & the Diamonds!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 18, 2019, 11:03:41 AM
I repeat I am not going to make any further comment on Ludlows of Halesowen Limited save that I have the up most respect for its former owners and admire them greatly I wish them well in their retirement and in NO way wish to as you describe "go around slagging them off" which I have not done in any post it is clear in the earlier posts I have made on the forum in the Blackheath forum why I consider the now defunct COMPANY a "joke" in Blackheath the matter is closed. By the way Reece you have an excellent selection of photos on your flickr page they are first class and would recommend anyone to have a look at them & the Diamonds!
I cannot see how in the light of comments you made about the Ludlows and their company in the Blackheath post on December 3rd that you can now claim to have the up most respect for them. Your comments have been very scathing and disrespectful to the company and therefore to them. It is interesting to note that when the Ludlow's put their company up for sale rather than simply closing down it was Diamond Bus who purchased their vehicles, took on most of their routes and employed their drivers. If Ludlows was the joke operator you are claiming them to be why would a reputable company like Diamond Bus want to waste money on purchasing them? You say that you don't want to make further comments on Ludlows I wonder if that is because of the high regard they were and are still held in by many?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 19, 2019, 10:47:13 PM
I cannot see how in the light of comments you made about the Ludlows and their company in the Blackheath post on December 3rd that you can now claim to have the up most respect for them. Your comments have been very scathing and disrespectful to the company and therefore to them. It is interesting to note that when the Ludlow's put their company up for sale rather than simply closing down it was Diamond Bus who purchased their vehicles, took on most of their routes and employed their drivers. If Ludlows was the joke operator you are claiming them to be why would a reputable company like Diamond Bus want to waste money on purchasing them? You say that you don't want to make further comments on Ludlows I wonder if that is because of the high regard they were and are still held in by many?
As an accountant I admire anyone starting a company and operating it I admire Derek & Pat I would NEVER have anything said about them and have the up most respect for them its is Ludlows of Halesowen Ltd a separate legal entity now struck off at Companies House which my comments are directed at as a regular user no one in Blackheath will ever forget Ludlows of Halesowen Limited and its attack on The Birmingham Coach Company Ltd 217 which set the tone for the next decade in Blackheath you were are a Birmingham Coach Company Ltd fan, in Halesowen you were a Ludlows of Halesowen Ltd fan it really was like Rangers & Celtic and you tell me why Ludlows of Halesowen Ltd drivers on Gorsty Hill used to REFUSE to accept my BUSMASTER & would not let me board the 417 unless I paid again? I HATE Ludlows of Halesowen Ltd as a bus company but admire the owners for having the balls to have a go as I do Geoffrey Howle of BCC do you not think it was ironic that Ludlows of Halesowen ended up selling out to the company that has proudly serverd Blackheath for 33 years do you not realize The Birmingham Coach Company Ltd & Diamond Bus Ltd are the same company with the same Companies House registration number but frankly no one wants to keep hearing my views on the ghosts of xmas past I consider the matter closed why keep bringing.it up?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 19, 2019, 11:11:12 PM
Sorry for the late reply @Jack just got in from my lane swimming in over 10 years of using the 24 regularly with Igo, Diamond and now NXWM I have never ever seen a single person board in Siviters Lane or use it between Cradley Heath & Merry Hill so why run a bus to places no one uses when I did my audit on the route no one boarded in Siviters Lane also and the numbers using the bus to Merry Hill were well below the TfWM the contract minimum it continued due to the business case of NXWM to interwork with the 14A on the tender renewal replacing the 208 other than the change to the 24 this year I cannot recall any other change to the 24 other than it using Perry Park & Codsall to replace the NXWM 129 which was AXED by NXWM proving my point NXWM doesn't care about Blackheath. It is your opinion then Blackheath folk should continue to have the awful service it currently has instead of simple change that benefit all? My argument is to use the bus stop outside Poundland in order to benefit the majority of users of the 24 and for it to operate Cradley Heath to Dudley via Birmingham Road & frankly I would also curtail the 14A to Cradley Heath Interchange as its a total waste of resources for them both to serve Merry Hill when there are plenty of commercial alternatives.
NX clearly doesn't care about Blackheath, they gave the X8 Platinums, new Omnilinks on the 404 in 2008/9, the key services that serve the town centre have had investment and clearly NX do care about Blackheath... at least the key services through Blackheath have had an investment compared to East Birmingham where the route with newest buses was back in the 2003... yes you are correct, I'd shorten the 24 to Cradley Heath interchange and leave the 14A at Merry Hill.
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 11:44:19 AM
NX clearly doesn't care about Blackheath, they gave the X8 Platinum's, new Omnilinks on the 404 in 2008/9, the key services that serve the town centre have had investment and clearly NX do care about Blackheath... at least the key services through Blackheath have had an investment compared to East Birmingham where the route with newest buses was back in the 2003... yes you are correct, I'd shorten the 24 to Cradley Heath interchange and leave the 14A at Merry Hill.
Yes Jack your so right NX clearly doesn't care about Blackheath with 11 year old Scanias on the trunk 4 4H 4M & cast off Platinum's cascaded from another route on the X8 whilst brand new examples are allocated to Halesowens 9 & X10.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 12:11:45 PM
Yes Jack your so right NX clearly doesn't care about Blackheath with 11 year old Scanias on the trunk 4 4H 4M & cast off Platinum's cascaded from another route on the X8 whilst brand new examples are allocated to Halesowens 9 & X10.
Your seriously moaning about not having a 68/69 plate platinum. Wow. You wouldn't be able to tell unless you were an enthusiast. Scanias have all recently been retrimmed and repainted which was hugely needed. There is no difference between any of the 66-69 plate platinums. People soon mess them up.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
Your seriously moaning about not having a 68/69 plate platinum. Wow. You wouldn't be able to tell unless you were an enthusiast. Scanias have all recently been retrimmed and repainted which was hugely needed. There is no difference between any of the 66-69 plate platinum's. People soon mess them up.
Yes the buses are in a terrible state on the X8 and an utter disgrace attracting numerous acts of unsocial behaviour directed towards me from other passengers which have had to be reported under the mayors "See Something Say Something" which never once occured in twenty years of the 140. Oh & SURPRISE SURPRISE the 12.50 X8 from the Market Place hasnt turned up so have got a Diamond Bus 4H to get an 9 what an utter disgrace the X8 service is & I am on holiday!!!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
Yes the buses are in a terrible state on the X8 and an utter disgrace attracting numerous acts of unsocial behaviour directed towards me from other passengers which have had to be reported under the mayors "See Something Say Something" which never once occured in twenty years of the 140.
That's just how people are changing nothing to do with the bus. Platinum vehicles have very high levels of cctv, thus in theory deterring sensible people.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
That's just how people are changing nothing to do with the bus. Platinum vehicles have very high levels of cctv, thus in theory deterring sensible people.
Its never working on the X8 when it actually turns up crap buses I am afraid.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
Its never working on the X8 when it actually turns up crap buses I am afraid.
Do you ever not complain?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 01:04:41 PM
Do you ever not complain?
No not when people defend the X8 on this forum and the 12.50 from Blackheath Market to Brum has FAILED TO TURN UP!!!!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
No not when people defend the X8 on this forum and the 12.50 from Blackheath Market to Brum has FAILED TO TURN UP!!!!!
Before we take your word for it, I think Tony should confirm whether or not you're right, or if you're lying again.
Quote from: MW on December 20, 2019, 01:28:15 PM
Before we take your word for it, I think Tony should confirm whether or not you're right, or if you're lying again.
The 12:50 ex Market Place DID NOT TURN UP BEFORE I.GOT A DIAMOND BUS 4H I AM.NO LIAR IF IT DID IT WAS HOPELESSLY LATE PROVING HOW UNRELIABLE THE SERVICE IS.
Well.Tony Over To You did the X8 arrive at 12.50?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
The 12:50 ex Market Place DID NOT TURN UP BEFORE I.GOT A DIAMOND BUS 4H I AM.NO LIAR IF IT DID IT WAS HOPELESSLY LATE PROVING HOW UNRELIABLE THE SERVICE IS.
Well.Tony Over To You did the X8 arrive at 12.50?
Yes it was late due to Wolverhampton grinding to a halt, the same as most towns in the West Midlands. Diamond's 4H as well as NXWM's 4H's are also running late today
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
The 12:50 ex Market Place DID NOT TURN UP BEFORE I.GOT A DIAMOND BUS 4H I AM.NO LIAR IF IT DID IT WAS HOPELESSLY LATE PROVING HOW UNRELIABLE THE SERVICE IS.
Well.Tony Over To You did the X8 arrive at 12.50?
Diamond are also running late on the 4H. And of course NX are. It's 5 days before Christmas of course traffic is going to cause buses to be late
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
Diamond are also running late on the 4H. And of course NX are. It's 5 days before Christmas of course traffic is going to cause buses to be late
Ha Ha you finally cannot defend the hopeleslly unreliable utter disgrace that is the X8 my DIAMOND BUS 4H TURNED UP thats the difference the sooner we can get QEPs across the West Midlands to regulate such a cowboy operator like NXWM the better! & A Very Merry Christmas to you & your family
@Tony.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 02:08:21 PM
Ha Ha you finally cannot defend the hopeleslly unreliable utter disgrace that is the X8 my DIAMOND BUS 4H TURNED UP thats the difference the sooner we can get QEPs across the West Midlands to regulate such a cowboy operator like NXWM the better! & A Very Merry Christmas to you & your family @Tony.
They both turned up, and they were both late
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
The 12:50 ex Market Place DID NOT TURN UP BEFORE I.GOT A DIAMOND BUS 4H I AM.NO LIAR IF IT DID IT WAS HOPELESSLY LATE PROVING HOW UNRELIABLE THE SERVICE IS.
Well.Tony Over To You did the X8 arrive at 12.50?
You lied on the other post where I told you the time and fleet number of every 4H. You stated that there wasn't 226 branded Streetlites on the 4H, when in fact 3 out of 4 buses where 226 branded Streetlites.
You spoke to me in the same manner that you're doing now, with your caps lock on. When I corrected you, you shrivelled up and edited all your posts presumably out of embarrassment that you'd been caught out talking rubbish and eventually apologised.
So forgive me (and the vast majority of other members on this forum) if I don't believe a single post of yours.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 02:17:46 PM
They both turned up, and they were both late
NXWM has to be the WORST bus company in the UK the 48 I have just boarded at the QE after having a bioposy is 20 mims late the company is an utter disgrace and not fit to run a bath let alone a bus company!
Quote from: MW on December 20, 2019, 02:20:35 PM
You lied on the other post where I told you the time and fleet number of every 4H. You stated that there wasn't 226 branded Streetlit es on the 4H, when in fact 3 out of 4 buses where 226 branded Streetlit es.
You spoke to me in the same manner that you're doing now, with your caps lock on. When I corrected you, you shrivelled up and edited all your posts presumably out of embarrassment that you'd been caught out talking rubbish and eventually apologized.
So forgive me (and the vast majority of other members on this forum) if I don't believe a single post of yours.
Your choice but the moderator confirmed the X8 failed to arrive at 12.50 today! As for the 226 Streetlites that's a genuine mistake I am sorry about I honestly hadn't noticed the branding on the 226 till I looked at one in Dudley Bus Station this week its so minimal I was expecting branding as we have on the 002 so I apologies for that I didn't realize the Streetlites were actually 226 branded!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 03:05:04 PM
NXWM has to be the WORST bus company in the UK the 48 I have just boarded at the QE after having a bioposy is 20 mims late the company is an utter disgrace and not fit to run a bath let alone a bus company!
How can a bus arriving 20 mins late make NXWM the worst bus company in the UK? No one can predict the traffic, the roads will be busier all throughout today as a lot of people are breaking up from work / going to works Xmas parties / last minute Xmas shopping..... my Uber trip to Kinver has just doubled in price due to demand.
This is the same bus company / group that wins awards for safety amongst other things....
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
How can a bus arriving 20 mins late make NXWM the worst bus company in the UK? No one can predict the traffic, the roads will be busier all throughout today as a lot of people are breaking up from work / going to works Xmas parties / last minute Xmas shopping..... my Uber trip to Kinver has just doubled in price due to demand.
This is the same bus company / group that wins awards for safety amongst other things....
We currently have widespread congestion across the network, causing severe delays across many core services, particularly those serving the shopping areas. This congestion is being intensified by many schools breaking up for the Christmas festive holidays.
The congestion and disruption to services is expected to intensify further as we approach the afternoon peak.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 03:17:09 PM
We currently have widespread congestion across the network, causing severe delays across many core services, particularly those serving the shopping areas. This congestion is being intensified by many schools breaking up for the Christmas festive holidays.
The congestion and disruption to services is expected to intensify further as we approach the afternoon peak.
Exactly! It will be busy all througout the day, as everyone is breaking up at random times.... Plus the weather will not be helping matters either.
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2019, 03:12:23 PM
How can a bus arriving 20 mins late make NXWM the worst bus company in the UK? No one can predict the traffic, the roads will be busier all throughout today as a lot of people are breaking up from work / going to works Xmas parties / last minute Xmas shopping..... my Uber trip to Kinver has just doubled in price due to demand.
This is the same bus company / group that wins awards for safety amongst other things....
Awards for ineptness no doubt! Have you not considered the excellent Diamond Bus service to Kinver just at Kings Head and 2 Quinton 9s have arrived together NXWM is utterly hopeless and a bit of rain is no excuse!
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2019, 03:18:57 PM
Exactly! It will be busy all througout the day, as everyone is breaking up at random times.... Plus the weather will not be helping matters either.
Passenger numbers in the West Midlands are growing by more than all the other PTE area put together at the moment. I don't think that would be happening if 87% of service were run by a 'cowboy operator
see https://www.wmca.org.uk/news/millions-more-bus-journeys-in-the-west-midlands-following-investment-in-network
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 03:22:11 PM
Passenger numbers in the West Midlands are growing by more than all the other PTE area put together at the moment. I don't think that would be happening if 87% of service were run by a 'cowboy operator
see https://www.wmca.org.uk/news/millions-more-bus-journeys-in-the-west-midlands-following-investment-in-network
Passenger growth is due to emphisis The Mayor and the priority he is giving buses with the Bus Partnerships to get a better service for all nothing to do with NXWM & the other operators and there really is no need to direct to me a survey I was part off!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 03:05:04 PM
NXWM has to be the WORST bus company in the UK the 48 I have just boarded at the QE after having a bioposy is 20 mims late the company is an utter disgrace and not fit to run a bath let alone a bus company!
But your not moaning till 06:48 on the 7th Jan are you!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 03:26:18 PM
Passenger growth is due to emphisis The Mayor and the priority he is giving buses with the Bus Partnerships to get a better service for all nothing to do with NXWM & the other operators and there really is no need to direct to me a survey I was part off!
So the operators have nothing to do with it?
We all know you hate NXWM, but the infrastructure improvements on routes only happen when operators agree to vehicle improvements.
And the link is not to a survey and nothing you were involved in. It is a statement about passenger numbers.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 01:04:41 PM
Do you ever not complain?
Apparently he's not moaning until 7th Jan???
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
Its never working on the X8 when it actually turns up crap buses I am afraid.
CCTV is working on all the WN Platinums
Quote from: BN on December 20, 2019, 04:02:17 PM
Apparently he's not moaning until 7th Jan???
Well not unless I have to use the X8 beforehand so glad to be back now on a competent bus operator again thank god as the Diamond Bus 231 I am on has left bang on time. Good Old Diamond!
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 03:57:19 PM
So the operators have nothing to do with it?
We all know you hate NXWM, but the infrastructure improvements on routes only happen when operators agree to vehicle improvements.
And the link is not to a survey and nothing you were involved in. It is a statement about passenger numbers.
OK if you say so. Hopefully I will have no need of your rotten bus service again till 7th January today was a hospital call back that came out of the blue to the QE and the total incompetency of MXWM ability to run a competent bus service today was staggering so on that note Have A Very Merry Christmas Tony.
Quote from: BN on December 20, 2019, 04:03:32 PM
CCTV is working on all the WN Platinums
I have not used it this week and it failed to turn up at 12.50 today so cannot comment.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 04:37:31 PM
I have not used it this week and it failed to turn up at 12.50 today so cannot comment.
As a passenger you cannot tell if the CCTV is working anyway
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 03:05:04 PM
NXWM has to be the WORST bus company in the UK the 48 I have just boarded at the QE after having a bioposy is 20 mims late the company is an utter disgrace and not fit to run a bath let alone a bus company!
The 48 is one of the most reliable bus services that nx operate. I travel on it every day twice a day very rarely late at all.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 04:39:50 PM
As a passenger you cannot tell if the CCTV is working anyway
HAPPY CHRISTMAS Tony! See You Next Year.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 04:41:34 PM
The 48 is one of the most reliable bus services that nx operate. I travel on it every day twice a day very rarely late at all.
It was today totally unreliable!!!
DRIVE THEN, stop moaning about NXWM, its getting boring.
Your moaning about a bus service that runs every 20 minutes, not every journey is going to be perfect, road conditions see to that....
I would love to have a bus service every 20 minutes to my stop, neh even every 30 minutes or an hourly service, but no I don't, I have one every 1hour 40minutes. And that is only when the Schools are off and a Saturday, I don't have a sunday service at all. It doesn't run to time at all, big bottle neck mid route, sometimes runs 20plus mins late if I am lucky, can't rely on it for anything important. And when it doesn't show like once last week, (got turned) I have a 3 and a half gap....
Think yourself lucky..
Diamond isn't the greatest operator in the WM, neither are they the worst....
I will believe Tony's word about a bus turning up when it does and doesn't over you. Diamond run late all the time, but because you see them thru rose tinted glasses it doesn't matter.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 04:20:22 PM
Ok if you say so. Hopefully I will have no need of your rotten bus service again till 7th January today was a hospital call back that came out of the blue to the QE so Have A Very Merry Christmas Tony.
To be honest you don't have to use the "rotten bus service" again, if the service is so "terrible" find an alternative.
But no you just moan and moan spoiling the forum for everyone else.
The X8 is operated by 66reg Enviro 400 MMCs in Platinum livery which are operated by many operators around the country, to get such success they can hardly be crumby buses, in fact i travelled on several a few weeks ago and was really impressed by how clean they still are and the services I travelled on were 100% to time.
You have complained that the services are running late, yet you have been told that the service you catch was on time, then you try and fudge the argument by saying the buses weren't reporting.
I hear that if buses aren't being operated correctly, the operators can be called up in front of the Traffic Commissioner, strange I haven't heard that National Express have been so all i can assume is someone has a grudge against National Express.
My solution, easy, withdraw the X8, reinstate the 140 but renumbered 14B, hourly service with E200 shorts then you might have cause to complain and moan.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 04:55:58 PM
My solution, easy, withdraw the X8, reinstate the 140 but renumbered 14B, hourly service with E200 shorts then you might have cause to complain and moan.
My solution is better. Get a mugshot of this guy and any X8 drivers who see him waiting, just continue driving.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 04:55:58 PM
To be honest you don't have to use the "rotten bus service" again, if the service is so "terrible" find an alternative.
But no you just moan and moan spoiling the forum for everyone else.
The X8 is operated by 66reg Enviro 400 MMCs in Platinum livery which are operated by many operators around the country, to get such success they can hardly be crumby buses, in fact i travelled on several a few weeks ago and was really impressed by how clean they still are and the services I travelled on were 100% to time.
You have complained that the services are running late, yet you have been told that the service you catch was on time, then you try and fudge the argument by saying the buses weren't reporting.
I hear that if buses aren't being operated correctly, the operators can be called up in front of the Traffic Commissioner, strange I haven't heard that National Express have been so all i can assume is someone has a grudge against National Express.
My solution, easy, withdraw the X8, reinstate the 140 but renumbered 14B, hourly service with E200 shorts then you might have cause to complain and moan.
To me that is the perfect solution an hourly 14B that turned up with buses like the B6s which were perfect on the 140 & 258 and gave it such a reliable service what a good idea would you suggest it to NXWM they might listern to you & I have to use an alternative most days its called the 13A
Quote from: MW on December 20, 2019, 04:58:34 PM
My solution is better. Get a mugshot of this guy and any X8 drivers who see him waiting, just continue driving.
Thats what they usually do now!
Quote from: Rob T on December 20, 2019, 04:44:38 PM
DRIVE THEN, stop moaning about NXWM, its getting boring.
Your moaning about a bus service that runs every 20 minutes, not every journey is going to be perfect, road conditions see to that....
I would love to have a bus service every 20 minutes to my stop, neh even every 30 minutes or an hourly service, but no I don't, I have one every 1hour 40minutes. And that is only when the Schools are off and a Saturday, I don't have a sunday service at all. It doesn't run to time at all, big bottle neck mid route, sometimes runs 20plus mins late if I am lucky, can't rely on it for anything important. And when it doesn't show like once last week, (got turned) I have a 3 and a half gap....
Think yourself lucky..
Diamond isn't the greatest operator in the WM, neither are they the worst....
I will believe Tony's word about a bus turning up when it does and doesn't over you. Diamond run late all the time, but because you see them thru rose tinted glasses it doesn't matter.
Come & live in Blackheath you would feel right at home if you have such a terrible bus service too and the Diamond 231 was the only bus on time today need I say more. Good old Diamond
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 04:43:57 PM
It was today totally unreliable!!!
Just seen this on Facebook from DIAMOND BUSES
"Delays to our 50 Service due to high congestion around the city centre"
Seems National Express aren't the only operator experiencing problems today.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 05:14:33 PM
Just seen this on Facebook from DIAMOND BUSES
"Delays to our 50 Service due to high congestion around the city centre"
Seems National Express aren't the only operator experiencing problems today.
My Diamond Bus 231 was smack on time I cant comment on others sadly.
The 4Hs are running early/ on time the majority of them this evening now. Very surprising indeed. Suppose those slow working men on the m5 junction 1 have gave up for Christmas, hence why it's moving so smoothly
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 05:53:08 PM
The 4Hs are running early/ on time the majority of them this evening now. Very surprising indeed. Suppose those slow working men on the m5 junction 1 have gave up for Christmas, hence why it's moving so smoothly
Excellent news good old Diamond BusI I had noticed looking out of Spoons Blackheath meeting my non bus using mates for Fish Friday about an hour ago 2 NXWM 4Hs running together towards West Bromwich need I say more...............
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
Excellent news good old Diamond BusI I had noticed looking out of Spoons Blackheath meeting my non bus using mates for Fish Friday about an hour ago 2 NXWM 4Hs running together towards West Bromwich need I say more...............
NO!!!
Shame you didn't make a New Years resolution to not moan about the 'state' of Blackheath's buses, because they aren't in any bad state whatsoever! It's just Diamond and all their liveries that they throw on YOUR favourite 4H!
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 07:47:43 PM
Shame you didn't make a New Years resolution to not moan about the 'state' of Blackheath's buses, because they aren't in any bad state whatsoever! It's just Diamond and all their liveries that they throw on YOUR favourite 4H!
We havent got to New Years Resolutions yet Jack and you tell me honestly Blackheath has not got a worse bus service now than 2017 when there were 4 140/241s across the Rowley Road not 3 , 3 120As and 2 289s to Lion Farm not 4, 4 127/9s per hour off peak not 2 and a reliable 140 to Birmingham and convince me that Blackheaths buses are better today and not in a right old state from NXWM using Blackheath as a CASH COW aside from the Diamond 4H?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 07:56:08 PM
We havent got to New Years Resolutions yet Jack and you tell me honestly Blackheath has now got a worse bus service than 2017 when there were 4 140/241s across the Rowley Road, 3 120As and 2 289s to Lion Farm, 3 127/9s per hour off peak and a reliable 140 to Birmingham and convince me the state of Blackheaths buses are better today aside from the Diamond 4H?
No it's better, less bus services that were in all fairness not needing a replacement. Let's start with the 129, which it's replacement had already been withdrawn, the pointless 13B. Which the 13A is now working. The 127 was a little pointless after Blackheath to Dudley, again this section was tendered and the roads the 127 served had more frequent services at either end. And hardly anyone used the 127 from end to end because it just took forever. Yes a reliable 140 which the X8 has replaced and is limited stop along Hagley Road West/Hagley Road. Lion Farm doesn't require a high frequency, it's a small area and Stuart Road doesn't require a high frequency at all!
Already been mentioned that the Omnilinks on the 4/4H/4M have all been Crimsoned and look loads better than what they did. Even the B7RLE's that regularly put onto the routes are in good condition. The X8 is Platinum operated, and that is better than a 16 year old Trident on the 140, let alone with high backed seats, WiFi and next stop announcements. The tendered routes are operated by SWB E200's that have Euro 6 traps and one is in Crimson. The 3 and 3A are operated by Crimson Omnilinks, it's the Diamond's that alternatively let it down!
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:23:18 PM
No it's better, less bus services that were in all fairness not needing a replacement. Let's start with the 129, which it's replacement had already been withdrawn, the pointless 13B. Which the 13A is now working. The 127 was a little pointless after Blackheath to Dudley, again this section was tendered and the roads the 127 served had more frequent services at either end. And hardly anyone used the 127 from end to end because it just took forever. Yes a reliable 140 which the X8 has replaced and is limited stop along Hagley Road West/Hagley Road. Lion Farm doesn't require a high frequency, it's a small area and Stuart Road doesn't require a high frequency at all!
Already been mentioned that the Omnilinks on the 4/4H/4M have all been Crimsoned and look loads better than what they did. Even the B7RLE's that regularly put onto the routes are in good condition. The X8 is Platinum operated, and that is better than a 16 year old Trident on the 140, let alone with high backed seats, WiFi and next stop announcements. The tendered routes are operated by SWB E200's that have Euro 6 traps and one is in Crimson. The 3 and 3A are operated by Crimson Omnilinks, it's the Diamond's that alternatively let it down!
Thats not what I posted Jack I said the level of bus services Blackheath had in 2017 and the current pitifull state of what NXWM is running today. I regularly see standing loads on the 3 & 3A perhaps you dont. A unreliable Platnum X8 giving stop start announcements is NOT better than a 16 year old Trident when it doesnt turn up at 06.48 do you use it ? The 127 I used to Dudley always carried good loads its reduced to hourly. It is an utter disgrace NXWM are using buses over 10 years on a trunk route its taking passengers for fools. Diamond uses far superior brand new Mellors on its tenders as I used on the 231 this afternoon. NXWM have increased thier margins at the expense of Blackheath passengers when you compere 2017 & 2019 which is why a QEP needs to be agreed asap. I had no complaints about WMT before 2018 when I realised they were using thier monopoly to use Blackheath as a Cash Cow thankfully there are the powers in.The Buses Act for TfWM to reverse this.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
Thats not what I posted Jack I said the level of bus services Blackheath had in 2017 and the current pitifull state of what NXWM is running today NXWM have increased thier margins at the ecpense of Blackheath passengers when you compere 2017 & 2019 which is why a QEP needs to be agreed asap. I had no complaints about WMT before 2018 when I realised they were using thier monopoly to use Blackheath as a Cash Cow thankfully there are the powers in.The Buses Act for TfWM to reverse this.
Well make it more clear then! You didn't say anything about 'Blackheath's level of bus services'! Maybe you should exactly explain NX's 'pitiful state' because from what I can see they aren't pitiful, it's only you moaning about the X8 of which you make and claim is 'pitiful'. What monopoly? NX only do better because they are the main operator in Blackheath and the West Mids and the high majority of people have NX travel passes, whereas Diamond run a few services and generally for some routes just pick the slack NX don't get. Oh and NX don't throw buses onto services that struggle up the slightest of inclines... at least they sort the buses issues, even if it takes a few months, they still fix it as they want to provide their passengers with a good service.
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:39:03 PM
Well make it more clear then! You didn't say anything about 'Blackheath's level of bus services'! Maybe you should exactly explain NX's 'pitiful state' because from what I can see they aren't pitiful, it's only you moaning about the X8 of which you make and claim is 'pitiful'. What monopoly? NX only do better because they are the main operator in Blackheath and the West Mids and the high majority of people have NX travel passes, whereas Diamond run a few services and generally for some routes just pick the slack NX don't get. Oh and NX don't throw buses onto services that struggle up the slightest of inclines... at least they sort the buses issues, even if it takes a few months, they still fix it as they want to provide their passengers with a good service.
I posted this" tell me honestly Blackheath has not got a worse bus service now than 2017" Your answer did not answer any of my points about the state of Blackheaths buses today & in 2017 sadly does it do you ever actually use them I fear not as you fail to see the god awfull service NXWM operates in Blackheath funny that!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 08:43:41 PM
That doesnt answer any of my points about the state of Blackheaths buses does it do you ever actually use them I fear not!
Clearly I don't use them, hence I wouldn't know Rowley Regis or the surrounding areas and not have a good knowledge of them!!!!! Yes I do use them often and see them often especially the 4's. You asked about the state of Blackheath's buses and then gave no further reference of what you were talking about until you last reply (the levels), all I could of said was that you was talking about the state of the buses themselves, not the levels of the services! For the life of the X8, Blackheath's other bus services and members of this forum, get a car instead of whinging gripe everyday!
Oh yeah I fail to see what NX has done soooo bad to Blackheath, because from what I see they've made it better, and also listened to the people of Blackheath and Rowley in the consultation last year. What would you rather have? An X8 operated with high spec and limited stops or the 140 being operated with 16 year old Tridents and stopping at every stop?
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:51:47 PM
Clearly I don't use them, hence I wouldn't know Rowley Regis or the surrounding areas well!!!! Yes I do use them often and see them often especially the 4's. You asked about the state of Blackheath's buses and then gave no further reference of what you were talking about until you last reply (the levels), all I could of said was that you was talking about the state of the buses themselves, not the levels of the services! For the life of the X8, Blackheath's other bus services and members of this forum, get a car instead of whinging gripe everyday!
I am not referring to Rowley Regis it has not existed since 1974 anyway my posts are on Blackheath. I was critsened in Rowley Regis Church St Giles in 1968 and it has a railway station but my posts are on BLACKHEATH and its links. I do not think NXWM took any notice of Blackheath in the consultation save for Bell End keeping its bus service and why would I want a Limited Stop Platnum that didnt turn up at 12.50 today over a Trident thst always did answer me that? Why get a car when I love buses and you do not answer the question do you use the 3 3A X8 13A 14 14A 24 as well as the X8 as regular as I use them to comment objectively on the state of Blackheaths bus service before criticizing my comments when all I want is Blackheaths buses restored to the level of demand and not have the town treated as a cash cow for an PLCs shareholders that is what idea of the QEPs are which are hopefully coming to Blackheath in due in course.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
I am not referring to Rowley Regis it has not existed since 1974 anyway my posts are on Blackheath. I was critsened in Rowley Regis Church St Giles in 1968 and it has a railway station but my posts are on BLACKHEATH and its links. I do not think NXWM took any notice of Blackheath in the consultation save for Bell End keeping its bus service and why would I want a Limited Stop Platnum that didnt turn up at 12.50 today over a Trident thst always did answer me that? Why get a car when I love buses and you do not answer the question do you use the 3 3A X8 13A 14 14A 24 as well as the X8 as regular as I use them to comment objectively on the state of Blackheaths bus service before criticizing my comments when all I want is Blackheaths buses restored to the level of demand and not have the town treated as a cash cow for an PLCs shareholders that is what idea of the QEPs are which are hopefully coming to Blackheath in due in course.
Hmm, seen as Blackheath is just the name of the name of the town centre, which is apart of Rowley Regis, like Rowley Village...
Has it not come across to you that NX may have taken the more frequent bus service from Bell End and Mincing Lane because it doesn't require it and doesn't have many people using it? You should be grateful NX have decided to let a bus still serve the roads, and from experience not many people use it, hence because there is more frequent services at either end and take less time than the to get to a place than the 14A does. At first you thought my decisions for Rowley and Blackheath were good, because I actually explained them in enough detail which can't be said for some of yours, makes me wonder do you ride buses for the sake of moaning about them not following your expectations? Oh an X8 didn't turn up, I thought you was going to whinge about it until the 7th January 2020? I've used the routes enough to make up my own judgement of them, if I didn't know them then you wouldn't hear me say anything in your so called beloved Blackheath thread! Where you are in denial about every single bus! I'm criticising your opinions because I don't agree with them, I'm allowed to have my opinions and you have yours, it's my freedom of speech. So I can say what I want regardless like you can say what you want. And it brings discussions... but you don't like it because you think you are best with X8, I'm not and know you aren't either...
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 09:21:53 PM
Hmm, seen as Blackheath is just the name of the name of the town centre, which is apart of Rowley Regis, like Rowley Village...
Has it not come across to you that NX may have taken the more frequent bus service from Bell End and Mincing Lane because it doesn't require it and doesn't have many people using it? You should be grateful NX have decided to let a bus still serve the roads, and from experience not many people use it, hence because there is more frequent services at either end and take less time than the to get to a place than the 14A does. At first you thought my decisions for Rowley and Blackheath were good, because I actually explained them in enough detail which can't be said for some of yours, makes me wonder do you ride buses for the sake of moaning about them not following your expectations? Oh an X8 didn't turn up, I thought you was going to whinge about it until the 7th January 2020? I've used the routes enough to make up my own judgement of them, if I didn't know them then you wouldn't hear me say anything in your so called beloved Blackheath thread! Where you are in denial about every single bus! I'm criticising your opinions because I don't agree with them, I'm allowed to have my opinions and you have yours, it's my freedom of speech. So I can say what I want regardless like you can say what you want. And it brings discussions... but you don't like it because you think you are best with X8, I'm not and know you aren't either...
Well funny enough the 127 was commercial but the PLC wanted NXWM to increase its margins hence the Bell End changes, that is one example of shareholder greed over company best practice and yes I see where your coming from with the 14A & 24. I use buses to get from A to B I had to use the X8 or not as it transpired as I had a call back to go the QE for a biopsy or I wouldn't have been on it I really enjoy your opinions and thoughts on Blackheath buses as it give me an insight to others thoughts aside to chatting at the bus stop and we all voted last Thursday so your opinion count but can you really say you use the X8 as much as me & for someone who loves buses so much why was I so happy with the timetable pre September 2018 compared with now & as someone born well in Brum but bought up in Blackheath all my life & are well known in the town I keep having everyone asking me when are you going to get the busses sorted Rich day after day at the bus stop and that is what I intend to do one way or another
@Jack hopefully through a QEP in the long term it all depends on the Mayor Elections in May if Andy wins we can work with the operators if and its a big if another party wins as Mayor then its franchising here we come & nobody wants that even in Blackheath!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
Well funny enough the 127 was commercial but the PLC wanted NXWM to increase its margins hence the Bell End changes, that is one example of shareholder greed over company best practice and yes I see where your coming from with the 14A & 24. I use buses to get from A to B I had to use the X8 or not as it transpired as I had a call back to go the QE for a biopsy or I wouldn't have been on it I really enjoy your opinions and thoughts on Blackheath buses as it give me an insight to others thoughts aside to chatting at the bus stop and we all voted last Thursday so your opinion count but can you really say you use the X8 as much as me & for someone who loves buses so much why was I so happy with the timetable pre September 2018 compared with now & as someone born well in Brum but bought up in Blackheath all my life & are well known in the town I keep having everyone asking me when are you going to get the busses sorted Rich day after day at the bus stop and that is what I intend to do one way or another @Jack hopefully through a QEP in the long term it all depends on the Mayor Elections in May if Andy wins we can work with the operators if and its a big if another party wins as Mayor then its franchising here we come & nobody wants that even in Blackheath!
Was it? I'm sure the Blackheath to Dudley section was tendered hence it never ran evenings and Sundays. I'm regular with that side of the Black Country, I spent most of my younger self all round Sandwell, and I have family who work and live around it... and I'm familiar with the area's, I still go to Rowley often now, hence why I have knowledge of these services. If the local councillor was to get involved would they not get in touch with Sandwell and NX?
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 09:50:22 PM
Was it? I'm sure the Blackheath to Dudley section was tendered hence it never ran evenings and Sundays. I'm regular with that side of the Black Country, I spent most of my younger self all round Sandwell, and I have family who work and live around it... and I'm familiar with the area's, I still go to Rowley often now, hence why I have knowledge of these services. If the local councillor was to get involved would they not get in touch with Sandwell and NX?
No only evenings and some sunday journeys were tendered when it was the Diamond Bus 205 interestingly
@Jack WMT once withdrew the 127 & 128 on a Evening & Sunday hoping to win it on tender only for Central Buses to win the Centro tender. WMT reregistered the route commercially quickly that's one example of WMTs tactics anyway mate were both on the same side so lets agree to disagree on some points and move on that's what life's all about and look carefully at some of my posts I cant post it on here but I really do not need to contact local councillors, NXWM,.James Morris MP or even TfWM hasn't it made you wonder why I seem.such an annoying know all & why I mention the excellent Metro Mayor we have leading the WMCA so so much now I wonder who I was at Harvard with studying for my MBA with..........................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 10:03:12 PM
No only evenings and some sunday journeys were tendered when it was the Diamond Bus 205 interestingly @Jack WMT once withdrew the 127 & 128 on a Evening & Sunday hoping to win it on tender only for Central Buses to win the Centro tender. WMT reregistered the route commercially quickly that's one example of WMTs tactics anyway mate were both on the same side so lets agree to disagree on some points and move on that's what life's all about and look carefully at some of my posts I cant post it on here but I really do not need to contact local councillors, NXWM,.James Morris MP or even TfWM hasn't it made you wonder why I seem.such an annoying know all & why I mention the excellent Metro Mayor we have leading the WMCA so so much now I wonder who I was at Harvard with studying for my MBA with..........................
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure NX did the same tactic for the 31 (Acocks Green to Solihull) which was up for tender with the ex-Signature services in Solihull. In the end, NX retained it commercially.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 10:03:12 PM
No only evenings and some sunday journeys were tendered when it was the Diamond Bus 205 interestingly @Jack WMT once withdrew the 127 & 128 on a Evening & Sunday hoping to win it on tender only for Central Buses to win the Centro tender. WMT reregistered the route commercially quickly that's one example of WMTs tactics anyway mate were both on the same side so lets agree to disagree on some points and move on that's what life's all about and look carefully at some of my posts I cant post it on here but I really do not need to contact local councillors, NXWM,.James Morris MP or even TfWM hasn't it made you wonder why I seem.such an annoying know all & why I mention the excellent Metro Mayor we have leading the WMCA so so much now I wonder who I was at Harvard with studying for my MBA with..........................
Hang on.
Central put in for an evening & Sunday tender?
They never operated evening & Sundays anywhere as far as I know!
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Hang on.
Central put in for an evening & Sunday tender?
They never operated evening & Sundays anywhere as far as I know!
Didn't they operate the 609 (or was that Central Connect) at one stage.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 10:03:12 PM@Jack WMT once withdrew the 127 & 128 on a Evening & Sunday hoping to win it on tender only for Central Buses to win the Centro tender. WMT reregistered the route commercially quickly that's one example of WMTs tactics anyway
Wasn't that the same tactic they pulled with AMPM, VIP and Central Connect on some south Birmingham and sandwell routes in 2009-2011
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
Elections in May if Andy wins we can work with the operators if and its a big if another party wins as Mayor then its franchising here we come & nobody wants that even in Blackheath!
Franchising is good though as it means that it'd stop the monopoly NX have in some areas (such as parts of the Dudley borough where the main corridors are majority NX operated - Dudley to Stourbridge, Dudley to Merry Hill, Stourbridge to Hales for example)
Conservatives like Andy Street are obsessed with playing trams and not bothered about cuts to local bus services. There again Street is a typical Tory thinking about fat cats and not the ordinary bloke on the street)
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Hang on.
Central put in for an evening & Sunday tender?
They never operated evening & Sundays anywhere as far as I know!
Yes it was a complete surprise when the tender was awarded to Central Buses as I agree it was far from the norm for Geoff in the event the tender was cancelled after WMT registered the route commercially which it still is as the 13 & 13A
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 01:07:28 PM
Franchising is good though as it means that it'd stop the monopoly NX have in some areas (such as parts of the Dudley borough where the main corridors are majority NX operated - Dudley to Stourbridge, Dudley to Merry Hill, Stourbridge to Hales for example)
Conservatives like Andy Street are obsessed with playing trams and not bothered about cuts to local bus services. There again Street is a typical Tory thinking about fat cats and not the ordinary bloke on the street)
Franchising is unlikely in the West Midlands unless there is a change of party for Mayor. To be fair Andy Street pushed through the Bus Partnerships on 42 and 43 & 31 & 32 which have been the pilot for QEPs & EPs which the WMCA plan to move forward with in the second mayoral term and although no one seems to have told NXWM according to
@Tony but I have attended meetings when its been agreed by the top management the aim is for West Midlands Bus livery to be universal by the Commonwealth Games and I can assure TfWM is unrecognisable on the buses side from Centro he has really be driving force behind the scenes for a better bus service together with putting a lot of resources into Swift the plan now is to utilise The Buses Act across the West Midlands and there is nothing that is a typical Tory about Andy like myself he has not come from a background of a Tory Toff like Boris & his lot he is most genuine level headed politician I have ever met and constantly puts others ahead of himself it will be up to electorate in May to decide if they agree.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Didn't they operate the 609 (or was that Central Connect) at one stage.
Wasn't that the same tactic they pulled with AMPM, VIP and Central Connect on some south Birmingham and sandwell routes in 2009-2011
VIP famously ran a Dart on the Centro QE 99 tender now 19 that had a missing side passenger window before having all their contracts stripped.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 01:21:47 PM
VIP famously ran a Dart on the Centro QE 99 tender now 19 that had a missing side passenger window before having all their contracts stripped.
Yes. I remember that VIP ran the tender but didn't NXWM also run it commercially at the same time. It wasn't unusual to see a VIP and NXWM following each other on a Sunday!
Quote from: sonic84 on December 21, 2019, 01:43:21 PM
Yes. I remember that VIP ran the tender but didn't NXWM also run it commercially at the same time. It wasn't unusual to see a VIP and NXWM following each other on a Sunday!
Yes you are quite right VIP ran commercialy against WMT in the daytimes to the QE s and then they ran the evening tender having One Foot In The Grave I use the 636 637 99 244 19 or whatever the number is this week regularly VIP I am not sure understood the word timetable and the buses perhaps not the best for wear but it was excellent to see someone take aim at WMT its just VIP were even worse!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 01:21:47 PM
VIP famously ran a Dart on the Centro QE 99 tender now 19 that had a missing side passenger window before having all their contracts stripped.
Recall them swapping reg plates on some of their darts also
Quote from: Lukeee on December 21, 2019, 04:30:30 PM
Recall them swapping reg plates on some of their darts also
Yes & you can take three guesses who reported the matter to the traffic commissioner I was so looking forward to their public enquiry held round the corner from my office in George Rd their receptionist at Office of Traffic Commissioner says they need a loyalty scheme for the amount of time I spend in there but its so handy it made me laugh yesterday one of the posters asked about why the traffic commissioners don't step in on my X8 woes well its funny they posted it shows they knew nothing about how buses are regulated the OfTC only act on information provided I haven't got enough evidence yet to submit and present to the OfTC for the route to be checked statutory but give me time and................................................
I remember VIP operating a trident with an ex ampm dart reg. I was asked "as a solihull traffic warden" to get photographic evidence. So when I took out my camera the driver threw everyone off at solihull hospital pulled the plates off & drove away with mo reg plates., I photographed everything.
Regarding the TC when it comes to taking action ld caagainst operators, their hands are tied when it comes to large operators on what action can be taken after all if he withdrew nx o licence or even Diamond bus for that matter then that would cause significant disruption to thousands of travelling passengers.
Quote from: Steveminor on December 23, 2019, 07:53:19 PM
I remember VIP operating a trident with an ex ampm dart reg. I was asked "as a solihull traffic warden" to get photographic evidence. So when I took out my camera the driver threw everyone off at solihull hospital pulled the plates off & drove away with mo reg plates., I photographed everything.
Regarding the TC when it comes to taking action ld caagainst operators, their hands are tied when it comes to large operators on what action can be taken after all if he withdrew nx o licence or even Diamond bus for that matter then that would cause significant disruption to thousands of travelling passengers.
Yes thats quite mate the OfTC will only ever act as a last resort as with VIP and now with R&B on the 292 based on evidence based submissions I mean the perfect example of Catch 22 powers is the Diamond Bus Enquiry in the Stourport Civic Buildings a few years back whos for a bit of free travel then. My piont on the X8 is enough evidence to trigger route monitoring by the OfTC in order in.the long run for everyone to get a better reliable.service I dont think even I would ever want West Midlands Travel Ltd to lose thier O licence! Hope all is going well with you and your family not too many sleepless nights!!!! HAPPPY CHRISTMAS AND BEST WISHES.
Christmas has started my Diamond 4H is smack on time with a B7 on it towards WEST BROM this morning no sign of Santa using it though........
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 24, 2019, 08:01:55 AM
Christmas has started my Diamond 4H is smack on time with a B7 on it towards WEST BROM this morning no sign of Santa using it though........
It's not going to Walsall then? If it's 'bang smack on time' shouldn't it be going down to Walsall and not West Brom?
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
It's not going to Walsall then? If it's 'bang smack on time' shouldn't it be going down to Walsall and not West Brom?
I was only going to West Brom on it i fully expect at some point it would have arrived in Walsall just come back on for the first time an ex Central Buses Excel to Gorsty Hill after lane swimming this Diamond Bus was also on time & one would hope at some point today it would reach Hayley Green but who knows it like and its a busy day for him with donkeys and wise men "is the pope catholic" isnt it?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 24, 2019, 11:48:01 AM
I was only going to West Brom on it i fully expect at some point it would have arrived in Walsall just come back on for the first time an ex Central Buses Excel to Gorsty Hill after lane swimming this Diamond Bus was also on time & one would hope at some point today it would reach Hayley Green but who knows it like and its a busy day for him with donkeys and wise men "is the pope catholic" isnt it?
It's a Versa, not an Excel. They can handle hills pretty well.
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
It's a Versa, not an Excel. They can handle hills pretty well.
Righto it remind me of Blackpools Excels sorry never been on a Versa before in my life an early christmas present your right though decent buses I grant you love the very bright hanover!
@Tony can breath a sigh of relief am meeting my mates at The Stag tonight but have taken the wise decision to get the last Diamond Bus 231 of the day , I do love a Mellor and its 80s disco PA no one wants me ranting about the X8 on Xmas Eve do they! HAPPY CHRISTMAS
@Jack
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2019, 12:56:24 PM
It's a Versa, not an Excel. They can handle hills pretty well.
Those Versas are probably the fastest buses I've ever driven. Well 30967/68 were anyway.
30168 (Streetlite) & 30967 (Versa) were once "lined up" in Solihull and 30967 left the Streetlite for dust lol.
Quote from: MW on December 24, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Those Versas are probably the fastest buses I've ever driven. Well 30967/68 were anyway.
30168 (Streetlite) & 30967 (Versa) were once "lined up" in Solihull and 30967 left the Streetlite for dust lol.
To be honest after using one I am surprised it wasnt more popular it seems head and shoulders over a E200 it must have bern the cost and NBV writedown value for the big groups.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 24, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
Righto it remind me of Blackpools Excels sorry never been on a Versa before in my life an early christmas present your right though decent buses I grant you love the very bright hanover! @Tony can breath a sigh of relief am meeting my mates at The Stag tonight but have taken the wise decision to get the last Diamond Bus 231 of the day , I do love a Mellor and its 80s disco PA no one wants me ranting about the X8 on Xmas Eve do they! HAPPY CHRISTMAS @Jack
Never understand the drivers who drive those in silence. Wtf is wrong with them? You have a radio and will rather sit in silence
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 24, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
Never understand the drivers who drive those in silence. Wtf is wrong with them? You have a radio and will rather sit in silence
Nothing better in life than speeding up Mucklow Hill on a Mellor with Dave from Depeche Mode belting out "I Just Cant Get Enough" on Absolute GHR from all speakers on the bus it ought to really be my Diamond Bus Anthem heres an idea for an album - Now Thats What I Call Diamond Bus featuring the best tracks heard on a Mellor.......................................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 24, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
To be honest after using one I am surprised it wasnt more popular it seems head and shoulders over a E200 it must have bern the cost and NBV writedown value for the big groups.
My biggest gripe with any Optare I've driven is the terrible cab design. Optare cabs are very small. If you're over 6ft, legroom is terrible. Wrightbus have the roomiest cabs from my experience. A B7TL / Gemini / Eclipse Urban and the Streetlite DF have excellent cabs. MMCs have good cabs too.
Second biggest gripe with Optares is the driving position. The angle of the steering wheel etc, and the massive steering wheel. Again, the buses I listed above are superior.
I think a Cummins Versa with a cab similar to an MMC / Streetlite or a Wright bodied Volvo would make it one of my favourite buses to drive.
One thing Optare gets right, especially on Solos, is the suspension. Perfectly swallows up imperfections in the road.
Quote from: MW on December 24, 2019, 01:42:38 PM
My biggest gripe with any Optare I've driven is the terrible cab design. Optare cabs are very small. If you're over 6ft, legroom is terrible. Wrightbus have the roomiest cabs from my experience. A B7TL / Gemini / Eclipse Urban and the Streetlite DF have excellent cabs. MMCs have good cabs too.
Second biggest gripe with Optares is the driving position. The angle of the steering wheel etc, and the massive steering wheel. Again, the buses I listed above are superior.
I think a Cummins Versa with a cab similar to an MMC / Streetlite or a Wright bodied Volvo would make it one of my favourite buses to drive.
One thing Optare gets right, especially on Solos, is the suspension. Perfectly swallows up imperfections in the road.
Never ever driven any Optare have to say at 6foot 1ins the Dennis Lances had great driving positions well superior to a Lynx at MRW and my god could they shift a beast of a bus I am sure the Merc 608s started the trend for DVT!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 24, 2019, 01:38:55 PM
Nothing better in life than speeding up Mucklow Hill on a Mellor with Dave from Depeche Mode belting out "I Just Cant Get Enough" on Absolute GHR from all speakers on the bus it ought to really be my Diamond Bus Anthem heres an idea for an album - Now Thats What I Call Diamond Bus featuring the best tracks heard on a Mellor.......................................
Get the branding right.
It's either Absolute or Greatest Hits Radio!
Quote from: Westy on December 24, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
Get the branding right.
It's either Absolute or Greatest Hits Radio!
They are both owned by Bauer & on my Absolute Radio app its Absolute GHR & so your point is?
Just got this text from my mate Deano whilst sitting on my Diamond 231 'I'm on the x8 bro f*** Uber followed you knew you would luv me on a bus its on time great bus dude about 15 mins away get me a Stella in" Im speechless Happy Christmas everyone
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 24, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
Never understand the drivers who drive those in silence. Wtf is wrong with them? You have a radio and will rather sit in silence
Possibly due to the fact it's a bus and can easily cause a distraction,
potentially putting passengers at risk. and also the fact it doesn't look very professional when you have passengers that may be hard of hearing and can't hear the driver over the sound of the radio.
Quote from: pndriver on December 25, 2019, 09:34:41 AM
Possibly due to the fact it's a bus and can easily cause a distraction, potentially putting passengers at risk. and also the fact it doesn't look very professional when you have passengers that may be hard of hearing and can't hear the driver over the sound of the radio.
My late mum was completly deaf and despite
@pndriver comments would have considered being deaf an total advantage from her point of view when Depeche Mode are blasting out on a Diamond Bus Mellor I doubt she would have wanted to.hear the driver either unless coming dowm Mucklow Hill he was shouting "the breaks have gone"................................
This forms the basis for Boris Johnsons plans to improve Blackheath's bus services in 2020 & provide the framework for the future of Transport for West Midlands.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-better-deal-for-bus-users/a-better-deal-for-bus-users
Diamond Bus new low fare structure which allows Blackheath Bus Users to travel within Sandwell & Dudley for just £2.85 all day is avaliable from today. 7 & 28 day versions are also avaliable. Full details of all Diamond Bus ticket products are on the link. Other bus operators serving Blackheath have increase fares for Swift & Contactless tickets by 4.4%. The current rate of RPI is 2.2% (data from ONS on 19th December 2019)
https://www.diamondbuses.com/news/fares-revisions-midlands/
Full Details of Fares of Other Operators:
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/fares-frozen-again-for-2020
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets/#/
Only £3 for NXWM Sandwell & Dudley considering the amount of services & buses they operate that's not bad value for money.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 02, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Diamond Bus new low fare structure which allows Blackheath Bus Users to travel within Sandwell & Dudley for just £2.85 all day is avaliable from today. 7 & 28 day versions are also avaliable. Full details of all Diamond Bus ticket products are on the link. Other bus operators serving Blackheath have increase fares for Swift & Contactless tickets by 4.4%. The current rate of RPI is 2.2% (data from ONS on 19th December 2019)
https://www.diamondbuses.com/news/fares-revisions-midlands/
Full Details of Fares of Other Operators:
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/fares-frozen-again-for-2020
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/tickets/#/
Would these "other operators" be the one that has had a fare freeze?
Quote from: Kevin on January 02, 2020, 08:09:47 PM
Would these "other operators" be the one that has had a fare freeze?
I fail to understand your concept of a fare freeze when another operator in the West Midlands has increased it fares by twice the rate of RPI on some of its products perhaps that is the accountant in me seeing thru the spin & just to let eveyone know as I post both good and bad in my world of Diamond Bus on the way to my lane swimmng tonight my Diamond Value 4H B7 ended up hitched to the back of a RSS Recovery Truck!
" 08:04:06 AM »
Quote
Hartshornes:- 2074; 2100; 2109; 2176; 4289; 5509
RWT, Lye:- 4494
Powertrain, Willenhall:- 4434; 4799
MAN, Bedworth:- 1858
PCS, Wootton Bassett:- 5409
Graysons, Tyseley:- 4760; 4809; 5401
Plaxtons, Anston:- 2136
AG:- 4496
BC:- 4266; 4546; 4550
PB:- 2243; 4588
WB:- 6953
YW:- 4654"
Blimey
@Tony some of your haulks are in as worse state as the Diamond Value 4H B7 which gave out a hissy fit in BLACKHEATH last night and spewed oil all other the road. Mind you isnt sawdust a very usefull product in the bus industry? Brace yourself I wonder how well your companies buses will be running today from BLACKHEATH to Bearwood, only time will tell as I have to be at the QE for 3pm................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 08:29:02 AM
" 08:04:06 AM »
Quote
Hartshornes:- 2074; 2100; 2109; 2176; 4289; 5509
RWT, Lye:- 4494
Powertrain, Willenhall:- 4434; 4799
MAN, Bedworth:- 1858
PCS, Wootton Bassett:- 5409
Graysons, Tyseley:- 4760; 4809; 5401
Plaxtons, Anston:- 2136
AG:- 4496
BC:- 4266; 4546; 4550
PB:- 2243; 4588
WB:- 6953
YW:- 4654"
Blimey @Tony some of your haulks are in as worse state as the Diamond Value 4H B7 which gave out a hissy fit in BLACKHEATH last night and spewed oil all other the road. Mind you isnt sawdust a very usefull product in the bus industry? Brace yourself I wonder how well your companies buses will be running today from BLACKHEATH to Bearwood, only time will tell as I have to be at the QE for 3pm................
Perhaps you could look at which of the large groups was the only one in 2019 not to have a single vehicle fire, even a minor one caused by the vehicle themselves.
Perhaps you could also look at which transport group was not responsible for a single death (employee, passenger or other road user) in 2019 anywhere in the world.
Two statistics every other large transport group would love to have.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 08:41:22 AM
Perhaps you could look at which of the large groups was the only one in 2019 not to have a single vehicle fire, even a minor one caused by the vehicle themselves.
Perhaps you could also look at which transport group was not responsible for a single death (employee, passenger or other road user) in 2019 anywhere in the world.
Two statistics every other large transport group would love to have.
@Tony I look back at 2019 as a very lucky year for me on Diamond Bus the last Diamond Bus I was on that caught fire was in 2017 mind you coming back from Tipton Baths me & my mate did stop and enjoy the early bonfire treat at the garage in October its amazing how a burning Plaxton President lights up the night sky & in 2019 I was only on two Diamonds that had crashes, a third I was waiting for was your fault in West Brom Bus Sta when a Trident went berserk and smashed up a Solo. On the whole I am very proud of the excellent standards of vehicle maintenance and top class driving skills were have come to expect from Diamond Bus and the 33 years of professionalism from the operator having never met my death on them ; last night I am sure you will fully agree was a rare blip; its funny the only bus I fear for my life on and never feel safe whilst onboard is one of your companies buses the X8......
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 09:22:55 AM
@Tony I look back at 2019 as a very lucky year for me on Diamond Bus the last Diamond Bus I was on that caught fire was in 2017 mind you coming back from Tipton Baths me & my mate did stop and enjoy the early bonfire treat at the garage in October its amazing how a burning Plaxton President lights up the night sky & in 2019 I was only on two Diamonds that had crashes, a third I was waiting for was your fault in West Brom Bus Sta when a Trident went berserk and smashed up a Solo. On the whole I am very proud of the excellent standards of vehicle maintenance and top class driving skills were have come to expect from Diamond Bus and the 33 years of professionalism from the operator having never met my death on them ; last night I am sure you will fully agree was a rare blip; its funny the only bus I fear for my life on and never feel safe whilst onboard is one of your companies buses the X8......
NX cannot be held responsible for you meeting some undesirable who you could just as easily meet on the street or any other vehicle.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 09:28:02 AM
NX cannot be held responsible for you meeting some undesirable who you could just as easily meet on the street or any other vehicle.
Never have any trouble on any other bus of any operator including the 11 or in 22 years of using the old 140 in the first 15 months I have had to make numerous "See Something Say Something" reports to TfWM that alone must in tell you there is something very wrong with that route and with regard to the street I rarely encounter any problems on the street I am in Brum very late at night regulary & in 22 years have only been stabbed once in 2001 shortly afterwards I took up white collar boxing so your argument simply doesnt hold up the problem is National Express West Midlands failing to take responsibility and just admit the X8 has been a total fiasco.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 09:49:46 AM
Never have any trouble on any other bus of any operator including the 11 or in 22 years of using the old 140 in the first 15 months I have had to make numerous "See Something Say Something" reports to TfWM that alone must in tell you there is something very wrong with that route and with regard to the street I rarely encounter any problems on the street I am in Brum very late at night regulary & in 22 years have only been stabbed once in 2001 shortly afterwards I took up white collar boxing so your argument simply doesnt hold up the problem is National Express West Midlands failing to take responsibility and just admit the X8 has been a total fiasco.
You do get undesirables on other routes as well. Not restricted to the X8, at all.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 09:49:46 AM
Never have any trouble on any other bus of any operator including the 11 or in 22 years of using the old 140 in the first 15 months I have had to make numerous "See Something Say Something" reports to TfWM that alone must in tell you there is something very wrong with that route and with regard to the street I rarely encounter any problems on the street I am in Brum very late at night regulary & in 22 years have only been stabbed once in 2001 shortly afterwards I took up white collar boxing so your argument simply doesnt hold up the problem is National Express West Midlands failing to take responsibility and just admit the X8 has been a total fiasco.
So, you have been stabbed once in the street!
My point exactly
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
So, you have been stabbed once in the street!
My point exactly
One incident in 22 years at work on the street against 12 SERIOUS incidents on a single bus route in 15 months reported to TfWM I am not greatest accountant in the world but those statistics are shocking.
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2020, 10:06:21 AM
You do get undesirables on other routes as well. Not restricted to the X8, at all.
Well I never see them I have never made a "See Something Say Something" report on the 140 or any other route yet I have reported 12 on the X8 in 15 months.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 10:22:18 AM
Well I never see them I have never made a "See Something Say Something" report on the 140 or any other route yet I have reported 12 on the X8 in 15 months.
I saw 2012 earlier on the X8 in Blackheath with a full load and a Platinum right behind carrying a handful towards Birmingham. If you're interested...
Quote from: Jack on January 03, 2020, 05:27:53 PM
I saw 2012 earlier on the X8 in Blackheath with a full load and a Platinum right behind carrying a handful towards Birmingham. If you're interested...
Hello
@Jack just turned my phone back on I used the 4H/19 to the QE today but thank you for noting an example of the total idiotic and disgracefull operations of NXWM on the X8 that are constantly defended by
@Tony who should be ashamed of this service and take note of your comment which are undefendable and others on this forum who comment how good the X8 is, it is an utter disgrace to National Express West Midlands an operator not fit to practice in my opinion when you consider what you saw today. Now
@Tony the excuse the other Friday everyone was breaking up for Christmas and it was beyond NXWM control, oh hang on isnt it the 3rd of January and Saturday Service for lighter traffic today?
Oh No a Single decker on the X8 that could be on there as it was the only bus in garage that was available at the time as other buses were off the road being repaired or having inspections done. if the X8 bothers you that much use a different service or drive into Birmingham.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 05:32:49 PM
Hello @Jack just turned my phone back on I used the 4H/19 to the QE today but thank you for noting an example of the total idiotic and disgracefull operations of NXWM on the X8 that are constantly defended by @Tony who should be ashamed of this service and take note of your comment which are undefendable and others on this forum who comment how good the X8 is, it is an utter disgrace to National Express West Midlands an operator not fit to practice in my opinion when you consider what you saw today.
So a Passenger throws up on 6784 running into Wolverhampton. Spare 2012 is placed on the service on time with no lost mileage and carries every waiting passenger on time, yet it is undefendable. I would put money on your beloved Diamond NEVER being able to do that as they don't have spare buses parked up in strategic locations.
Your rants get more stupid every day!
Quote from: WB Driver on January 03, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
Oh No a Single decker on the X8 that could be on there as it was the only bus in garage that was available at the time as other buses were off the road being repaired or having inspections done. if the X8 bothers you that much use a different service or drive into Birmingham.
See my reply. It's even more stupid
@WB Driver
Quote from: WB Driver on January 03, 2020, 05:47:48 PM
Oh No a Single decker on the X8 that could be on there as it was the only bus in garage that was available at the time as other buses were off the road being repaired or having inspections done. if the X8 bothers you that much use a different service or drive into Birmingham.
No excuse
@WB Driver . Why should I use a different service when I used the 140 for 51 years where there isnt one and am determined to expose the disgrace that is the X8 and I cant drive now for medical reasons so how would I get from Blackheath to the Kings Head, Fly perhaps ?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 05:54:13 PM
No excuse @WB Driver . Why should I use a different service when I used the 140 for 51 years where there isnt one and am determined to expose the disgrace that is the X8 and I cant drive now for medical reasons so how would I get from Blackheath to the Kings Head, Fly perhaps ?
13A and Walk/11.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 05:50:22 PM
So a Passenger throws up on 6784 running into Wolverhampton. Spare 2012 is placed on the service on time with no lost mileage and carries every waiting passenger on time, yet it is undefendable. I would put money on your beloved Diamond NEVER being able to do that as they don't have spare buses parked up in strategic locations.
Your rants get more stupid every day!
@Tony your excuses for the X8 get more bizzarre every day why not just admit two buses together on the X8 is an utter disgrace and finally admit the service has failed as has West Midlands Travel Ltd replacing the 140 its not me commenting today I used fhe 4H/19,rather than your rotten X8 its a good job I.did otherwise would I have got to.the QE? I.do not know how you can continue to defend it the X8 is a failure admit and my Diamond 4H didnt break.down but got me to Halesowen to get the PN19 not even an operator so bad as NXWM could muck up the 19 could they?
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
13A and Walk/11.
Rubbish NXWM have cut the 13A off peak and the 11 doesnt even go to the entrance of the QE so
@Tony your suggestion is plain.stupid or do you not know the 11 doesnt serve the entrance to the QE? You just cannot accept someone else noted how rotten the X8 is and backs up my posts that NXWM is not fit to run a bath let alone a bus service your defence of the X8 against me is finally blown apart admit it the 140 was an excellent bus service the X8 is the worst in living memory so why not finally admit it, it was
@Jack observation not mine!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
@Tony your excuses for the X8 get more bizzarre every day why not just admit two buses together on the X8 is an utter disgrace and finally admit the service has failed as has West Midlands Travel Ltd replacing the 140 its not me commenting today I used fhe 4H/19,rather than your rotten X8 its a good job I.did otherwise would I have got to.the QE? I.do not know how you can continue to defend it the X8 is a failure admit and my Diamond 4H didnt break.down but got me to Halesowen to get the PN19 not even an operator so bad as NXWM could muck up the 19 could they?
Your sole purpose of joining this forum seem to be to try an wind me up. I have no idea who you are, and strangely neither have many people you claim to have spoken to at NXWM and other operators / TfWM. As you claim to have been threatened on buses and stabbed in the street I presume you can easily wind people up. The only reason your outrageous, obviously exaggerated claims haven't had you removed from here is I don't want to be seen removing people because they are anti NX, but claiming running a service on time is undefendable, idiotic and disgraceful really is showing you to be as stupid as most members say you are.
This is my last ever reply to any of your posts!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 05:32:49 PM
it is an utter disgrace to National Express West Midlands an operator not fit to practice in my opinion
So someone apparently sees one late running bus and the whole operation is unfit for purpose?
The NXWM 94's I caught today (4811 and 4812) were on time and it usually is when I use it regularly, same for the NXWM 28 yesterday and on Sunday.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
Rubbish NXWM have cut the 13A off peak and the 11 doesnt even go to the entrance of the QE so @Tony your suggestion is plain.stupid or do you not know the 11 doesnt serve the entrance to the QE? You just cannot accept someone else noted how rotten the X8 is and backs up my posts that NXWM is not fit to run a bath let alone a bus service your defence of the X8 against me is finally blown apart admit it the 140 was an excellent bus service the X8 is the worst in living memory so why not finally admit it, it was @Jack observation not mine!
You said Kings Head, not the QE. In that case you can get the 48.
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
You said Kings Head, not the QE. In that case you can get the 48.
@Tony to say you know where your buses are the direct route from Blackheath to the QE was 140-448 now with the 48 frequency cut and the utter unreliability of the useless X8 if you had an appointment would you trust such a disgusting service reliability the last time I was at the QE wasnt the 48 I got on was 20 mins late how you can defend such a disgracefull service is beyond me you obviously never use the routes you defend do you?
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
So someone apparently sees one late running bus and the whole operation is unfit for purpose? You said Kings Head, not the QE. In that case you can get the 48.
One late running bus have you ever used the disgrace that is the X8!
@Jack backs up my argument that West Midlands Travel and its performance on the X8 proves its not a fit or proper operator in any means.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2020, 06:11:09 PM
Your sole purpose of joining this forum seem to be to try an wind me up. I have no idea who you are, and strangely neither have many people you claim to have spoken to at NXWM and other operators / TfWM. As you claim to have been threatened on buses and stabbed in the street I presume you can easily wind people up. The only reason your outrageous, obviously exaggerated claims haven't had you removed from here is I don't want to be seen removing people because they are anti NX, but claiming running a service on time is undefendable, idiotic and disgraceful really is showing you to be as stupid as most members say you are.
This is my last ever reply to any of your posts!
@Tony I have the upmost respect for you and the management at West Midlands Travel Ltd speak very highly of you and I respect that. Sadly as a PEP - a politically exposed person for my former work for HM Gov - I am.protected marked so you will never get comments from NXWM, TfWM or the WMCA about me I am cIoaked. You are so right for some strange reason I do seen to wind people up easily that is very perceptive of you. I think its time to call time on the X8 and leave it at that and its funny your opinion of me being stupid is shared by a lot of other people not on this forum but in real life anyone who gets to know me soon finds out otherwise after being heavily bullied at school for my love of buses I turned into a tough little fighter thanks to my Uni which you have seen on the forum its not personal it never is with me just my passion I left school with not a single qualification to my name and ended up one of Birminghams most sucessfull accountants ask anyone in my Accountancy Institute its just I love buses with a passion I hope we will speak again I have the upmost respect for you and if you wont you are in very good company because as she declares her standing for Labour leadership Jess Philips wont speak to me or look me in the eye at meetings either but thats another story..............
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
So someone apparently sees one late running bus and the whole operation is unfit for purpose?
The NXWM 94's I caught today (4811 and 4812) were on time and it usually is when I use it regularly, same for the NXWM 28 yesterday and on Sunday. You said Kings Head, not the QE. In that case you can get the 48.
Funny enough the Claribells 94 & 55 I use to Nechells Place are usually.on time to as is the NXWM 13A & 19.
Me & my 85 year old dad on the ever excellent DIAMOND BUS 4H Short Journey to Oldbury after Spoons Halesowen Fish Friday for dad the Diamond 4H left on time from Halesowen and this one looks like this one is making it up Gorsty Hill tonight had a local anesthetic this afternoon at the QE & dad came with me as I coudnt be discharged alone hence 4H/19 I forget I didn't use it today but did I mention the X8 when I was on the on time PN19 from the QE?...................................
..
For the love of god shut up...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 03, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
For the love of god shut up...
Your wish is my command got to have part of my tounge removed at the QE on the 10th of Feb to remove a tumor so silence will be golden and that really will shut me up Happy New Year
I didn't say the X8 was being messed up by NX... all I said was that 2012 was on it and being followed by an almost empty Platinum... and I pointed that out because you are so ever much fascinated with it. But in a way you would think PL would swap a a 'compliant' DD off a route and stick 2012 on there, but the Platinum was directly behind 2012 so it acted as a back up and could easily carry passengers if 2012 couldn't let anymore on...
Hmm 'ever so great Diamond', because 30943 I've seen numerous times during the day and the door alarms kept going off and then making the bus move off slowly into limp mode, dread to think how this was in limp getting up Gorsty Hill...
Quote from: Jack on January 03, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
I didn't say the X8 was being messed up by NX... all I said was that 2012 was on it and being followed by an almost empty Platinum... and I pointed that out because you are so ever much fascinated with it. But in a way you would think PL would swap a a 'compliant' DD off a route and stick 2012 on there, but the Platinum was directly behind 2012 so it acted as a back up and could easily carry passengers if 2012 couldn't let anymore on...
Ok
@Jack thats fine I think I have upset
@Tony and everyone enough for one night its no defence on my part but while I was posting on the 19 I was still under a local anashetic from my procedure at the QE I have most likley upset @Winton too the moral of the story dont leave a bus freak with an android after having a local anasthetic I am sorry if I upset anyone but I love my buses mate sorry.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
Rubbish NXWM have cut the 13A off peak and the 11 doesnt even go to the entrance of the QE so @Tony your suggestion is plain.stupid or do you not know the 11 doesnt serve the entrance to the QE? You just cannot accept someone else noted how rotten the X8 is and backs up my posts that NXWM is not fit to run a bath let alone a bus service your defence of the X8 against me is finally blown apart admit it the 140 was an excellent bus service the X8 is the worst in living memory so why not finally admit it, it was @Jack observation not mine!
Erm... no. They haven't?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 03, 2020, 09:58:00 PM
Erm... no. They haven't?
Well the 258 then the 127 then then the 127/9 then the 13A & 13B were on a fitted time every 20 minuets now the 13A is off peak every 30 mins is it me or does nobody else understand the old fitted timetables in Blackheath we have since 1980 always had 3 off peak 127s or whatever the number was no we only have 2 per hour !!!
Quote from: Jack on January 03, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
I didn't say the X8 was being messed up by NX... all I said was that 2012 was on it and being followed by an almost empty Platinum... and I pointed that out because you are so ever much fascinated with it. But in a way you would think PL would swap a a 'compliant' DD off a route and stick 2012 on there, but the Platinum was directly behind 2012 so it acted as a back up and could easily carry passengers if 2012 couldn't let anymore on...
Hmm 'ever so great Diamond', because 30943 I've seen numerous times during the day and the door alarms kept going off and then making the bus move off slowly into limp mode, dread to think how this was in limp getting up Gorsty Hill...
A mellor replaced it. And I followed 30885 with black smoke pouring out the exhaust
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 03, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
A mellor replaced it. And I followed 30885 with black smoke pouring out the exhaust
Goid old Diamond Bus always putting the customer first!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 10:07:29 PM
Goid old Diamond Bus always putting the customer first!
By having a rubbish bus out to start with? And 30885 bellowing black smoke is not great either. I like diamond but you can't excuse them for things like having bad maintenance
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 03, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
By having a rubbish bus out to start with? And 30885 bellowing black smoke is not great either. I like diamond but you can't excuse them for things like having bad maintenance
I do not have rose coloured glasses as far as Diamond Bus are the picture on my home page is my Diamond Bus 4H last night being towed away by RSS I fully agree with your comments.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 03, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
By having a rubbish bus out to start with? And 30885 bellowing black smoke is not great either. I like diamond but you can't excuse them for things like having bad maintenance
30828 was also having issues, that was stuck in limp mode and struggled up the hill by Tame Bridge Parkway.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 10:04:56 PM
Well the 258 then the 127 then then the 127/9 then the 13A & 13B were on a fitted time every 20 minuets now the 13A is off peak every 30 mins is it me or does nobody else understand the old fitted timetables in Blackheath we have since 1980 always had 3 off peak 127s or whatever the number was no we only have 2 per hour !!!
The 13A off peak was 2 an hour, with a 20 minute gap then a 40 minute gap between services, it's not every half an hour, this is not a reduction.
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 03, 2020, 11:25:10 PM
The 13A off peak was 2 an hour, with a 20 minute gap then a 40 minute gap between services, it's not every half an hour, this is not a reduction.
The 13A was on a fitted timetable with the 13B the idiots at NXWM turned the 127 and 129 into the stupid timetable which proved untenable and proves what an incompetent.company NXWM is and only interested in the dividends of National Express PLC
Just got my Diamond Bus 4H to go lane swiming.in.Halesowen Baths smack on tine at the stop in Gorsty Hill however there was a poor lady with a NXWM Travelcard at the stop who been waiting and waiting she said for a NXWM 4H as the awfull disgracefull service West Midlands Travel provide to Blackheath is getting beyond a joke I feel very sorry for the lady putting her money and trust in such a third rate operator but unfortunatly as
@Tony refuses now to reply.to my posts we he no answer to the rubbish service of NXWM he constantly defends so we will never know why the NXWM 4H failed to arrive for this lady, sadly he has no valid defence of NXWM peformance in Blackheath as he has given up on replying to my conscructive comments we will never know why the NXWM 4H had failed to turn up according to this lady but I swiped the lady in on Diamond Bus which was of course smack on time with my.PAYG SWIFT card i use when I am out with my mates it allowed her to board the Diamiond Bus sadly we will.never know from.
@Tony why this poor lady had waited so long for a NXWM 4H again it shows sadly.the contempt National Express West Midlands shows for its customers in Blackheath and I for one are so greatfull to Diamond Bus in Blackheath now
@Tony has given up trying to defend his failing company so sad.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 10:07:29 PM
Goid old Diamond Bus always putting the customer first!
So Diamond is good for replacing a bus, and NXWM is bad for doing the exact same thing when a single deck was put onto the X8?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 07:50:41 AM
Just got my Diamond Bus 4H to go lane swiming.in.Halesowen Baths smack on tine at the stop in Gorsty Hill however there was a poor lady with a NXWM Travelcard at the stop who been waiting and waiting she said for a NXWM 4H as the awfull disgracefull service West Midlands Travel provide to Blackheath is getting beyond a joke I feel very sorry for the lady putting her money and trust in such a third rate operator but unfortunatly as @Tony refuses now to reply.to my posts we he no answer to the rubbish service of NXWM he constantly defends so we will never know why the NXWM 4H failed to arrive for this lady, sadly he has no valid defence of NXWM peformance in Blackheath as he has given up on replying to my conscructive comments we will never know why the NXWM 4H had failed to turn up according to this lady but I swiped the lady in on Diamond Bus which was of course smack on time with my.PAYG SWIFT card i use when I am out with my mates it allowed her to board the Diamiond Bus sadly we will.never know from.@Tony why this poor lady had waited so long for a NXWM 4H again it shows sadly.the contempt National Express West Midlands shows for its customers in Blackheath and I for one are so greatfull to Diamond Bus in Blackheath now @Tony has given up trying to defend his failing company so sad.
Another bullshit post.
The 4H was 1 minute 26 seconds late on Gorsty Hill Road.
Quote from: pndriver on January 04, 2020, 09:03:03 AM
Another bullshit post.
The 4H was 1 minute 26 seconds late on Gorsty Hill Road.
Just turned my phone back on after my 32 lengths, on the ever excellent Diamond Bus 4H home, Blackheath is very very lucky to have at least one reliable punctual operator you can depend on with Diamond Bus. I cannot comment on your post as I do not use the unreliable hopeless NXWM 4H sadly someone who does differs from your view and I am inclined to believe the lady actually waiting at the bus stop to be fair as it walked to the bus stop it wasn't live tracking on the TfWM app and showing as a timetabled journey so I doubt it turned up the Diamond Bus that arrived on time was.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 09:42:22 AM
Just turned my phone back on after my 32 lengths, on the ever excellent Diamond Bus 4H home, Blackheath is very very lucky to have at least one reliable punctual operator you can depend on with Diamond Bus. I cannot comment on your post as I do not use the unreliable hopeless NXWM 4H sadly someone who does differs from your view and I am inclined to believe the lady actually waiting at the bus stop to be fair as it walked to the bus stop it wasn't live tracking on the TfWM app and showing as a timetabled journey so I doubt it turned up the Diamond Bus that arrived on time was.
Right I live on the 4H route in Hayley green. Nx are shit at operating it. Constantly late, and for us folks in Hayley green whenever there's a problem on route they just skip us out. But your constant postings is getting extremely irritating. I don't need to know every time you leave the house.!
Quote from: Kevin on January 04, 2020, 08:49:56 AM
So Diamond is good for replacing a bus, and NXWM is bad for doing the exact same thing when a single deck was put onto the X8?
As far as I am aware the Diamond Bus services serving Blackheath are all single deck and therefore capacity is not an issue for the operator. When a third rate bus operator such as NXWM cuts the frequency of a service from every 15 mins to every 20 mins simply to increase the dividends paid to the shareholders of National Express PLC and then schedule a single deck bus is downright irresponsible and proves yet again NXWM is not a fit and proper operator. It is yet another example of National Express West Midlands not caring a single jot for the bus users of Blackheath the sooner the WMCA bring in QEPs and EPs the better to regulate these cowboys with the return of the Government they now have the mandate to do this in The Buses Act.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
As far as I am aware the Diamond Bus services serving Blackheath are all single deck and therefore capacity is not an issue for the operator. When a third rate bus operator such as NXWM cuts the frequency of a service from every 15 mins to every 20 mins simply to increase the dividends paid to the shareholders of National Express PLC and then schedule a single deck bus is downright irresponsible and proves yet again NXWM is not a fit and proper operator. It is yet another example of National Express West Midlands not caring a single jot for the bus users of Blackheath the sooner the WMCA bring in QEPs and EPs the better to regulate these cowboys with the return of the Government they now have the mandate to do this in The Buses Act.
From what I can see you weren't even intending to use that trip anyway. So unless you were left behind by it, or someone else was, I don't see how you can complain.
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
From what I can see you weren't even intending to use that trip anyway. So unless you were left behind by it, or someone else was, I don't see how you can complain.
@2206 he speaks on behalf of the people of Blackheath
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
From what I can see you weren't even intending to use that trip anyway. So unless you were left behind by it, or someone else was, I don't see how you can complain.
Funny enough I was going to get the X8 to Bearwood to change to 49 to the QE but knowing what a rotten bus service it is I changed to the Diamomd Bus 4H & PN19 its a good job I did with the terrible mess NXWM were making of the service according to another poster
Quote from: pndriver on January 04, 2020, 09:58:51 AM
@2206 he speaks on behalf of the people of Blackheath
Quite right the good people of Blackheath need someone to stand up against NXWM being the terrible operator they are thankfully the good people of Blackheath have Diamond Bus to depend on, on the 4H
Well as some one who lives in the area he speaking for me..
Quote from: midlandred2003 on January 04, 2020, 10:17:50 AM
Well as some one who lives in the area he speaking for me..
Thanks mate see you on the Diamond 231 you will easily recognise me I am on the only person under 60 on the bus.
Sorry my previous post should have said Not speaking for me.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on January 04, 2020, 11:33:45 AM
Sorry my previous post should have said Not speaking for me.
Ok thats fine no problem at all. if your happy with the 140/241 every 15mins being replaced by the X8 at a 20 min frequency thats ok by me the people I speak to daily outside Poundland & Market Place certainly agree with my.views as do those waiting for half hourly 13A that replaced the 127 & 129 which ran every 15 mins if your happy with the massive frequency cuts imposed by West Midlands Travel Ltd in Blackheath to increase the dividend payments to shareholders of National Express PLC then thats fine as a TfWM Bus Champion my comments simply reflect the views of the people I speak to in Blackheath on a daily basis. I am very proud my business case to the WMCA that kept the 231 running off New John Street your local bus service. Mind you though I do try to.hide from my mate Karls dad if you think I complain about NXWM you should meet him waiting for the 13A.........................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
As far as I am aware the Diamond Bus services serving Blackheath are all single deck and therefore capacity is not an issue for the operator. When a third rate bus operator such as NXWM cuts the frequency of a service from every 15 mins to every 20 mins simply to increase the dividends paid to the shareholders of National Express PLC and then schedule a single deck bus is downright irresponsible and proves yet again NXWM is not a fit and proper operator. It is yet another example of National Express West Midlands not caring a single jot for the bus users of Blackheath the sooner the WMCA bring in QEPs and EPs the better to regulate these cowboys with the return of the Government they now have the mandate to do this in The Buses Act.
3rd rate, ever thought about stand up comedy?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 11:47:08 AM
Ok thats fine no problem at all. if your happy with the 140/241 every 15mins being replaced by the X8 at a 20 min frequency thats ok by me the people I speak to daily outside Poundland & Market Place certainly agree with my.views as do those waiting for half hourly 13A that replaced the 127 & 129 which ran every 15 mins if your happy with the massive frequency cuts imposed by West Midlands Travel Ltd in Blackheath to increase the dividend payments to shareholders of National Express PLC then thats fine as a TfWM Bus Champion my comments simply reflect the views of the people I speak to in Blackheath on a daily basis. I am very proud my business case to the WMCA that kept the 231 running off New John Street your local bus service. Mind you though I do try to.hide from my mate Karls dad if you think I complain about NXWM you should meet him waiting for the 13A.........................
All those hard done by people in Blackheath, isn't there about 10 NX services that serve there?
I shall be using the 4H Monday about 1pm for a drink in Halesowen, I use the first bus to arrive, coming back until last year I waited at the slims gate stop for the diamond 4H but walk to the bus station now, the reason being I was stood at slims gate 50 minutes 1 diamond came sailing by with out stopping the others presumably missed that section of route completely not so perfect as you make out.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
As far as I am aware the Diamond Bus services serving Blackheath are all single deck and therefore capacity is not an issue for the operator..... Blah blah words etc...
So NXWM replace a decker with a full sized single deck, capacity reduced by a bit, not much, and you lose your mind
Diamond replace a full sized single deck with a minibus and it's absolutely fine?
Get a grip
Quote from: Kevin on January 04, 2020, 12:47:33 PM
So NXWM replace a decker with a full sized single deck, capacity reduced by a bit, not much, and you lose your mind
Diamond replace a full sized single deck with a minibus and it's absolutely fine?
Get a grip
Because the 4H is a high frequency service I am pretty sure a Mellor could quite easily cope with the loads on the 4H well they can when I am on a Mellor on the 4H so you argument is pointless the X8 does not operate at frequent intervals and since the route frequency reduction a single decker contact cope you obviously never used the 140/241 previously to compare it with the X8 or we would not be having this discussion and frankly who ever decided to put a single decker on the X8 at NXWM is a total idiot and confirms my view the company is not fit for purpose as was the case this morning when the NXWM 4H failed to arrive to take a Wilko worker to work they are an utter disgrace and how anyone can defend such a company is beyond me.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 12:57:48 PM
Because the 4H is a high frequency service I am pretty sure a Mellor could quite easily cope with the loads on the 4H well they can when I am on a Mellor on the 4H so you argument is pointless the X8 does not operate at frequent intervals and since the route frequency reduction a single decker contact cope you obviously never used the 140/241 previously to compare it with the X8 or we would not be having this discussion and frankly who ever decided to put a single decker on the X8 at NXWM is a total idiot and confirms my view the company is not fit for purpose as was the case this morning when the NXWM 4H failed to arrive to take a Wilko worker to work they are an utter disgrace and how anyone can defend such a company is beyond me.
You can't really claim the 4H runs high frequency when it's only every 15 minutes...
And no, you would be wrong, I did use the 140/241, and they were frequently empty, so a 15 minute frequency in my view was not justified. Likewise the frequency of the 4H if they're as little used as you suggest.
Don't get me wrong, I love Diamond, I'd sometimes wait for them over the NXWM 16 from Hamstead into Brum, but they were horribly unreliable on that route. But they're not a patch on NXWM
Quote from: Kevin on January 04, 2020, 01:19:37 PM
You can't really claim the 4H runs high frequency when it's only every 15 minutes...
And no, you would be wrong, I did use the 140/241, and they were frequently empty, so a 15 minute frequency in my view was not justified. Likewise the frequency of the 4H if they're as little used as you suggest.
Don't get me wrong, I love Diamond, I'd sometimes wait for tķhem over the NXWM 16 from Hamstead into Brum, but they were horribly unreliable on that route. But they're not a patch on NXWM
Are you for real? You obviously dont live in Blackheath to make such riddiculous comments I used the 140 for 51 years I rarely saw it empty it and the 241 were a cash cow for West Midlands Travel Ltd if the service was so not used why was the frequency retained from 1984 to 2018 if as you say it was always empty which frankly is a laughable comment. National Express PLC saw the frequency reduction as way to boost its margins on the route for the benefit of its shareholders not the customers in Blackheath and I may be the worst accountant in Birmingham but a route that has 7 buses per hour such as the 4H is classed as High Frequency by TfWM.
Quote from: BN on January 04, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
3rd rate, ever thought about stand up comedy?
I have actually I think my tales of woe about NXWM would have everyone in hysterics in the Comedy Club on Broad Street dont you?
Quote from: BN on January 04, 2020, 12:29:53 PM
All those hard done by people in Blackheath, isn't there about 10 NX services that serve there?
Yes but who needs 10 NXWM routes when they are so hopelessly unreliable and of no benefit to anyone because of the sheer incompetence of West Midlands Travel Ltd.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on January 04, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
I shall be using the 4H Monday about 1pm for a drink in Halesowen, I use the first bus to arrive, coming back until last year I waited at the slims gate stop for the diamond 4H but walk to the bus station now, the reason being I was stood at slims gate 50 minutes 1 diamond came sailing by with out stopping the others presumably missed that section of route completely not so perfect as you make out.
I would strongly advise anyone with a TfWM ticket or pass to get the first bus that comes first regardless of operator my 85 year old dad certainly does on the 4H. If you have an issue with any aspect of Diamond Buses Limited operations I suggest you contact the operator direct as I have no problems with them.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
Yes but who needs 10 NXWM routes when they are so hopelessly unreliable and of no benefit to anyone because of the sheer incompetence of West Midlands Travel Ltd.
You say the 13A is reliable. The 4 and 4M corridor don't seem to be so bad, somehow the 4H is always late but I think that's just bad scheduling. The 14,24 are reliable.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2020, 02:36:52 PM
You say the 13A is reliable. The 4 and 4M corridor don't seem to be so bad, somehow the 4H is always late but I think that's just bad scheduling. The 14,24 are reliable.
The 14A and 24 are operated under contract to TfWM I put the business case to amend the timetables as NXWM was incapable of running the original timetable. I have no complaints about the 13A or 4M but I never use the later as I monitor the 14A & 24 for TfWM or use the NXWM 4H. If someone is waiting for a bus at the stop I always introduce myself as a TfWM Bus Champion for Sandwell and the views I post are based on the collective views I hear.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2020, 02:36:52 PM
You say the 13A is reliable. The 4 and 4M corridor don't seem to be so bad, somehow the 4H is always late but I think that's just bad scheduling. The 14,24 are reliable.
Tbf even though the 4M hits many traffic hotspots they don't even seem VERY late, nothing like what the 4H is like.
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2020, 03:07:45 PM
Tbf even though the 4M hits many traffic hotspots they don't even seem VERY late, nothing like what the 4H is like.
Thats the good to hear
@Jack personally towards Merry Hill I always use the 14A & 24 to support the TfWM contracted routes.
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2020, 03:07:45 PM
Tbf even though the 4M hits many traffic hotspots they don't even seem VERY late, nothing like what the 4H is like.
I think it's got to be to do with the fact that there is no layover time for them only 5 minutes in Halesowen bus station on return to walsall. Quite frankly it's a miracle if they even arrive 5 minutes late into Halesowen. It seems nx cant deal with us in their scheduling. The 244 used to be absolutely awful with reliability, when it came by us and now it's the 4H
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2020, 03:37:55 PM
I think it's got to be to do with the fact that there is no layover time for them only 5 minutes in Halesowen bus station on return to walsall. Quite frankly it's a miracle if they even arrive 5 minutes late into Halesowen. It seems nx cant deal with us in their scheduling. The 244 used to be absolutely awful with reliability, when it came by us and now it's the 4H
To be honest
@Trident 4194 you are so so right and to be honest and I am sick to death of banging on about it sorry but that is what is so wrong with the X8 - The Scheduling.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2020, 03:37:55 PM
I think it's got to be to do with the fact that there is no layover time for them only 5 minutes in Halesowen bus station on return to walsall. Quite frankly it's a miracle if they even arrive 5 minutes late into Halesowen. It seems nx cant deal with us in their scheduling. The 244 used to be absolutely awful with reliability, when it came by us and now it's the 4H
I do remember how bad the 244 could get, not really sure on the 4H much. But yes, the 244's often turned short at Halesowen whenever they were badly late leaving Hayley Green out.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
I have actually I think my tales of woe about NXWM would have everyone in hysterics in the Comedy Club on Broad Street dont you?
No.
Quote from: BN on January 04, 2020, 04:27:01 PM
No.
You are so wrong I love stand up I chair our Institutes Conferences and Meetimg and my totally warped sense of humor is legendry toe curling its one of the reasons Jess Philips refuses to be in.the same room.as me you would think wouldnt you someone who.wishes to be the next leader of the Labour Party would have a sense of humor....
Can we just not feed the troll. Because that's exactly what this has become. Trolling for trolling's sake.
I don't use buses in many different areas, but I like to read various threads to try and keep up to date with various goings on. But the forum is filling up with dross. I'm incredibly laid back and very tolerant and drama free and I agree with freedom of speech but it's really getting to the enough is enough stage. Or is there a function on the forum such as a block facility?
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
Can we just not feed the troll. Because that's exactly what this has become. Trolling for trolling's sake.
I don't use buses in many different areas, but I like to read various threads to try and keep up to date with various goings on. But the forum is filling up with dross. I'm incredibly laid back and very tolerant and drama free and I agree with freedom of speech but it's really getting to the enough is enough stage. Or is there a function on the forum such as a block facility?
I've been wanting to ask if there's a facility where these threads don't show up in "Unread posts". I'm sick of seeing this nonsense too. Perhaps the moderators need to do away with trying to appear to be overly politically correct, and simply remove him.
I can't find a function that hides these threads from unread posts unfortunately.
Quote from: MW on January 04, 2020, 05:14:57 PM
I've been wanting to ask if there's a facility where these threads don't show up in "Unread posts". I'm sick of seeing this nonsense too. Perhaps the moderators need to do away with trying to appear to be overly politically correct, and simply remove him.
I can't find a function that hides these threads from unread posts unfortunately.
I am not a troll I am someone who loves buses and uses them 364 days a year and give my views on buses in the town I love I regret upsetting
@Tony but I give my views from my heart on Blackheaths buses I am proud of that others do not agree with my comments but
@Winston has set up the Blackheath thread for me to post my comments I am very greatfull to him. I have agreed not to post my drivel on the other parts of the forum. I do not wish to spoil anyones enjoyment of the forum and so if your are not interested in Blackheaths buses please ignore the thread and enjoy this excellent forum.
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
Can we just not feed the troll. Because that's exactly what this has become. Trolling for trolling's sake.
I don't use buses in many different areas, but I like to read various threads to try and keep up to date with various goings on. But the forum is filling up with dross. I'm incredibly laid back and very tolerant and drama free and I agree with freedom of speech but it's really getting to the enough is enough stage. Or is there a function on the forum such as a block facility?
It's really quite simple, If you don't read/post anything in the 'Blackheath Bus Services' thread there's no issue.
I didn't think pointing out an Urban 2 on the X8 would turn out like this, I mean some people are over-dramatic about their routes...
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 03, 2020, 06:39:40 PM
@Tony I have the upmost respect for you and the management at West Midlands Travel Ltd speak very highly of you and I respect that. Sadly as a PEP - a politically exposed person for my former work for HM Gov - I am.protected marked so you will never get comments from NXWM, TfWM or the WMCA about me I am cIoaked. You are so right for some strange reason I do seen to wind people up easily that is very perceptive of you. I think its time to call time on the X8 and leave it at that and its funny your opinion of me being stupid is shared by a lot of other people not on this forum but in real life anyone who gets to know me soon finds out otherwise after being heavily bullied at school for my love of buses I turned into a tough little fighter thanks to my Uni which you have seen on the forum its not personal it never is with me just my passion I left school with not a single qualification to my name and ended up one of Birminghams most sucessfull accountants ask anyone in my Accountancy Institute its just I love buses with a passion I hope we will speak again I have the upmost respect for you and if you wont you are in very good company because as she declares her standing for Labour leadership Jess Philips wont speak to me or look me in the eye at meetings either but thats another story..............
I work in financial services and have to undertake anti-bribery and corruption training, so am familiar with the definition of Politically Exposed Persons. Examples include heads of government or heads of state, senior politicians and government officials, military or judicial officials, senior executives of state-owned organisations and high-up political party officials. You must have held some VERY senior position, but regardless, how does that protect you now and how is it relevant here? All that PEP status means is that due to the risks that person's position may present, they are subject to far greater compliance, due diligence and Know Your Client checks by businesses that may wish to do business with them.
And also, aren't the most successful accountants in Birmingham partners at major firms - the likes of Price Waterhouse Coopers, Deloitte, KPMG, EY etc?
Quote from: Mike K on January 04, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
I work in financial services and have to undertake anti-bribery and corruption training, so am familiar with the definition of Politically Exposed Persons. Examples include heads of government or heads of state, senior politicians and government officials, military or judicial officials, senior executives of state-owned organisations and high-up political party officials. You must have held some VERY senior position, but regardless, how does that protect you now and how is it relevant here? All that PEP status means is that due to the risks that person's position may present, they are subject to far greater compliance, due diligence and Know Your Client checks by businesses that may wish to do business with them.
And also, aren't the most successful accountants in Birmingham partners at major firms - the likes of Price Waterhouse Coopers, Deloitte, KPMG, EY etc?
Deloitte, KPMG, EY are mainly interested in audits and PLC's and Management Accounting and they are facing major reforms but you would be surprised how much work they outsource. Most of my work is preparing cases on tax law for 1st & 2nd tier tribunals bought by HMRC for other accountants. In twenty years I have never lost a case but I do also have my own client list. Your definition of PEP is quite correct and applied to me with the work I undertook at The Treasury which I cannot discuss on here as it was "Protected Marked". I now undertake voluntary work for an elected official outside of the Government however all the work I undertook for H M Government finally ended in November hence joining social media for the first time in my life. Technically my PEP status also ended then though that still has to be declared during any due diligence personally I use the Institutes Approved AML package for my due diligence of clients and yes I did hold a very senior Government position from 2011 to 2015 if you wish to know anything further please private message me and I am happy to explain as I have nothing to hide. I loved every minute it ended with a change of leadership of the political party involved though I am still very heavily involved with the party conferences when held in Birmingham the PEP status does though follows you about like a bad smell and some organisations really don't know how to deal with it my professional indemnity insurance is horrendous but luckily I am supervised for the money laundering regulations by the institute who renewed my practicing certificate on January 1st. To be fair I love my work like my buses its just I am weirdo and fully admit it.
Blackheath Bus & Train users continue to benefit from Swift as an alternative to the NXWM Travelcard although this operators own products are available on it. The Mayor announces 50 million journeys were made using the smartcard. Transport for West Midlands continues to lead the way Swift as alternative to the NXWM Travelcard for Blackheath Bus Users. Certain excellent value Diamond Bus products are also available on Swift.
https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/blackcountry/18136181.swift-cards-used-50-million-journeys-west-midlands/
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 04, 2020, 01:47:25 PM
Are you for real? You obviously dont live in Blackheath to make such riddiculous comments I used the 140 for 51 years I rarely saw it empty it and the 241 were a cash cow for West Midlands Travel Ltd if the service was so not used why was the frequency retained from 1984 to 2018 if as you say it was always empty which frankly is a laughable comment. National Express PLC saw the frequency reduction as way to boost its margins on the route for the benefit of its shareholders not the customers in Blackheath and I may be the worst accountant in Birmingham but a route that has 7 buses per hour such as the 4H is classed as High Frequency by TfWM.
Yes, yes I am "for real". May not live in Blackheath or for that matter anywhere along the route that isn't the centre of the universe you believe it to be. But that doesn't mean I haven't used the route, it does go to other places you know...
Of the two routes the 140 was the one that had more passengers, ergo that was the one that was increased to a 20 minute frequency. The slight loss of capacity on the northern stretch is more than adequately covered by other routes (what was the 14, now the 14/14A/24). I'd potentially agree that the X8 shouldn't go all the way to Wolves, but I'm in no position really to know whether or not that is useful for people.
For the record I was taking just the 4H Diamond frequency, as I thought you'd be of the view that the NXWM and Diamond services are separate, what with your evident disdain of one of them, but my bad you do count it. Either way, I'm sure the accountant in you would realise the use of full size single decks on a route that a minibus could cope with isn't really financially sensible
Quote from: Gareth on January 04, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
Can we just not feed the troll. Because that's exactly what this has become. Trolling for trolling's sake.
I don't use buses in many different areas, but I like to read various threads to try and keep up to date with various goings on. But the forum is filling up with dross. I'm incredibly laid back and very tolerant and drama free and I agree with freedom of speech but it's really getting to the enough is enough stage. Or is there a function on the forum such as a block facility?
If you don't open the subject, then when you have read the other click 'mark all as read' it will delete the subject from the unread ones
Quote from: Kevin on January 05, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Yes, yes I am "for real". May not live in Blackheath or for that matter anywhere along the route that isn't the centre of the universe you believe it to be. But that doesn't mean I haven't used the route, it does go to other places you know...
Of the two routes the 140 was the one that had more passengers, ergo that was the one that was increased to a 20 minute frequency. The slight loss of capacity on the northern stretch is more than adequately covered by other routes (what was the 14, now the 14/14A/24). I'd potentially agree that the X8 shouldn't go all the way to Wolves, but I'm in no position really to know whether or not that is useful for people.
For the record I was taking just the 4H Diamond frequency, as I thought you'd be of the view that the NXWM and Diamond services are separate, what with your evident disdain of one of them, but my bad you do count it. Either way, I'm sure the accountant in you would realise the use of full size single decks on a route that a minibus could cope with isn't really financially sensible
Oh
@Kevin I think Blackheath is almost at the centre of the universe we have the legendry market, for those that use it a direct train service to London, a large number of curry houses & real pubs and nearby a historic park linked to The Gunpowder Plot next to a Lesiure Center great for lane swimming & a few miles away we have 2 Premiership Teams & 2 Championship Teams with direct Green Buses, a world class cricket ground and a ladies world class tennis tournament via the 140 & Number 1 and thanks to SWBHA & QEHB some of the best hospitals in the world refered to from our GPs oh and a Poundland what more could you want in life! So where do you live
@Kevin .The 4H is a long service the Friar Park section is the busiest but that section of route is also served by the 4, 4M & 45 so capacity would not be an issue, the Gorsty Hill end is quieter but B7s are the norm because its is busy in the peaks but if and when required the Mellors can cope because the route is high frequency. The 241 despite you occasional ride on it was very well used in fact after the cuts it continued half hourly as the 14 however NXWM have killed this route by diverting via the 205 route to Dudley showing how out of touch they are with route planning and have now reduced it to hourly. The 14A & 24 are currently operated under contact to Transport for West Midlands and were previously operated by Diamond Bus these services should not be included in any comparison as they operated previously as the 208 & 224. The idea of a Limited Stop service from Blackheath to Birmingham is ludicrous running every twenty minutes no uses the X8 only thugs and hooligans I know plenty who now drive because the bus sails past the stop they previously used and its too much hassle to get off a Quinton to get a 9. The idea of the X8 was obviously done by someone who never used the 140 and 241 and was frankly brain dead thinking it was a good idea. The X8 should be scrapped or rerouted to replace the 126 and a half hourly 9A serving all stops with normal standard buses instead of the idiotic Platinum hulks is the only answer with the 14A & 24 going commercial on a fitted 15 minute frequency restoring the old pattern NXWM took an excellent service and just mucked it up and a 9A lets face it, it would shut me up for a start.
The 4, 4H, 4M and 45 don't serve Friar Park and from as far back as can remember they never have. They do stop literally outside but that's Stone Cross/Tame Bridge. The 40 goes directly through Friar Park. The 45 goes through Charlemont Farm...
Quote from: Jack on January 05, 2020, 01:52:13 PM
The 4, 4H, 4M and 45 don't serve Friar Park and from as far back as can remember they never have. They do stop literally outside but that's Stone Cross/Tame Bridge. The 40 goes directly through Friar Park. The 45 goes through Charlemont Farm...
Yes that's what I meant the stop by by Tame Bridge Railway Station I call it Friar Park because I have a number of clients on the estate and get off the 4H there no one this end knows what Tame Bridge Station is & classes Stone Cross as where the Wollies was. Does the Diamond 66 still use Friar Park Rd thats the only one that comes off the main road and runs right through the estate isn't it at one stage it was the 616 I never seem to see it now?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 05, 2020, 02:05:30 PM
Yes that's what I meant the stop by by Tame Bridge Railway Station I call it Friar Park because I have a number of clients on the estate and get off the 4H there no one this end knows what Tame Bridge Station is & classes Stone Cross as where the Wollies was. Does the Diamond 66 still use Friar Park Rd thats the only one that comes off the main road and runs right through the estate isn't it at one stage it was the 616 I never seem to see it now?
The 66 doesn't serve it; no. The 41 serves a small section but then turns off to go and serve the residential streets.
Quote from: Jack on January 05, 2020, 07:51:16 PM
The 66 doesn't serve it; no. The 41 serves a small section but then turns off to go and serve the residential streets.
Thanks
@Jack Cheers
I just happened to be looking at an ABC Midland Red from 1964 earlier, and the 140 route is listed in it. However that was 55 yrs ago - the enthusiast in me laments the loss of longstanding services but surely travel patterns must have changed since then not least from residential development, massive changes in industry and also shopping patterns. So I'm not surprised NXWM change things around to try and improve performance and match changing demand.
I see myself as having been mentally scarred by travel in Torbay in around 1990 by an operator who thought high frequency Mellor minibuses was the way to provide a public transport service - the usual pattern was to wait until half a dozen full ones passed, and you'd eventually get on, having got soaked in the rain waiting, to join the elderly ladies attempting to stand whilst stopping their shopping rolling around the bus. Anyone who thinks that is the way to run a bus service is sadly demented - so I view any operator taking the same view in 2019 with great suspicion. Good for costs and profit but an abysmal standard of service - I'm presuming Rotala has to answer to shareholders in the same way as NXWM.
It's interesting that the incumbent in Torbay runs full size double deckers with apparent healthy passenger usage on high frequencies where once someone thought minibuses were the way forward.
The incumbent operator in the area I live has reintroduced one or two of those dreadful Mellor contraptions also - and the comments from users at stops saying they hope a proper bus turns up rather than those stupid minibuses.
It would be interesting to see such operator's satisfaction surveys. Credit to NXWM they haven't gone down this bargain basement approach.
Quote from: don on January 05, 2020, 10:38:09 PM
I just happened to be looking at an ABC Midland Red from 1964 earlier, and the 140 route is listed in it. However that was 55 yrs ago - the enthusiast in me laments the loss of longstanding services but surely travel patterns must have changed since then not least from residential development, massive changes in industry and also shopping patterns. So I'm not surprised NXWM change things around to try and improve performance and match changing demand.
I see myself as having been mentally scarred by travel in Torbay in around 1990 by an operator who thought high frequency Mellor minibuses was the way to provide a public transport service - the usual pattern was to wait until half a dozen full ones passed, and you'd eventually get on, having got soaked in the rain waiting, to join the elderly ladies attempting to stand whilst stopping their shopping rolling around the bus. Anyone who thinks that is the way to run a bus service is sadly demented - so I view any operator taking the same view in 2019 with great suspicion. Good for costs and profit but an abysmal standard of service - I'm presuming Rotala has to answer to shareholders in the same way as NXWM.
It's interesting that the incumbent in Torbay runs full size double deckers with apparent healthy passenger usage on high frequencies where once someone thought minibuses were the way forward.
The incumbent operator in the area I live has reintroduced one or two of those dreadful Mellor contraptions also - and the comments from users at stops saying they hope a proper bus turns up rather than those stupid minibuses.
It would be interesting to see such operator's satisfaction surveys. Credit to NXWM they haven't gone down this bargain basement approach.
Well
@don thank you so much for your comments but you will never believe it in March 2001 my mum and dad retired to Torquay I stayed in the family.home.in.Blackheath but my mum and dad retired to Malborough Avenue a road opposite St Mathias Church by the Kents Pub I know Wellswoods bus services so well the 32, 85, 120, 12A,12B,.32T and the Open Top 12D/200 and later 11 & 22 pluss Firsts X80 which ran to Babacoombe and the brilliant 64/66 which went via Hesketh Cresecent I knew all the First drivers now wirh Torbay Buses if you see a lovley lady driver with blonde hair on the Torbay Buses 64 ask her if she remembers Brummie Rich & his mum & dad I am sure she will to be honest I dont want the 140 back it was a bus of its day I want a half hourly service regardless of service number I can depend on.to.get me to & from work and frankly.whatever its public persona is West Midlands Travel Ltd is an utter disgrace to the West Midlands a PLC that cares all for it shareholders not its passengers unlike ROTALA PLC who are a local company based in Sandwell who actualy care abour thier passengers and have CUT thier fares for local users while NXWM have increased some of thier fares by 4.4% double RPI an utter disgrace for the level of pathetic service they deliver give me Stagecoach South West anyday I lived on thier Megabus from Exeter to Brum. Via X46
@don think Countrybus then Think Diamond Bus dont believe the hype West Midlands Travel are the worst bus company in the UK & the sooner the WMCA bring in regulations under The Buses Act the better to clip these cowboys wings the better & how is Nick Bye I doubt he will ever forget me & I love a Mellor on.the Diamond 231 they are mainly for tendered routes contracted to Transport for West Midlands they creep onto commercial routes only when necessary these are the preserve of brand new Streetlites but nothing better than a Mellor when its belting out Depeche Mode & I Just Cant Get Enough!
A very nicely presented green wolves trident was on the X8 today ran by the award winning bus company national express West Midlands
Did you see it billy?
Quote from: karl724223 on January 06, 2020, 07:56:36 PM
A very nicely presented green wolves trident was on the X8 today ran by the award winning bus company national express West Midlands
Did you see it billy?
Its Rich actually. I return to work on the 06.48 X8 Tomorrow and so have had no need to use West Midlands Travel Limited in any form today thank goodness I have as always used the ever excellent and Sandwell's own Diamond Buses Limited today as Tina Turner would agree with me "Simply The Best & Better Than All The Rest".
Excellent News the 13A was waitng with its doors open outside Sainsburys as I was walking down Halesowen Stréet so heading to Brum on a dependable reliabile bus sèrvice and it saved waiting in The Market Place for a useless unreliable bus service that most likley failed to turn up anyway!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 07, 2020, 07:00:31 AM
Excellent News the 13A was waitng with its doors open outside Sainsburys as I was walking down Halesowen Stréet so heading to Brum on a dependable reliabile bus sèrvice and it saved waiting in The Market Place for a useless unreliable bus service that most likley failed to turn up anyway!
I took the liberty of 'monitoring' the X8 from the Market Place stop on Long Lane using YourStop:
https://yourstop.info/
The 'scheduled' 06:48 journey showed 'predicted 06:48', so as far as I can see it arrived and departed on time.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2020, 07:06:15 AM
I took the liberty of 'monitoring' the X8 from the Market Place stop on Long Lane using YourStop:
https://yourstop.info/
The 'scheduled' 06:48 journey showed 'predicted 06:48', so as far as I can see it arrived and departed on time.
Wouldnt know I am the 13A & as
@Tony has given up trying to defend his rotten excuse for a bus service we will never know will we?
Mind you I wouldnt have been surprised if that moronic green bus of a long forgotten corporation was on the X8 if it actually turned up just to confuse everyone knowing the idiots who run NXWM just for the record it was WB 4442 on the 13A
PN 4442, WB doesn't have Tridents
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 07, 2020, 07:10:04 AM
Wouldnt know I am the 13A & as @Tony has given up trying to defend his rotten excuse for a bus service we will never know will we?
Well, we know, because the available data Stu looked up showed us that, but let's not let facts get in the way eh?
Quote from: Zander on January 07, 2020, 07:58:32 AM
PN 4442, WB doesn't have Tridents
Sorry I have West Brom on the brain I was talking to a Baggies fan on the way Cheers
Quote from: Kevin on January 07, 2020, 08:03:19 AM
Well, we know, because the available data Stu looked up showed us that, but let's not let facts get in the way eh?
So you say but I can assure you, you have no concept of facts when your like me and are currently attending financial stability briefing facts are for wimps!
We are all now mercifully free of me & the X8 thank god as I am going home via Halesowen on 6920 a really nice tidy bus on the 9 and not at work again untill 28th January and will be using the 13A as today so for now back to the wonderfull world of Diamond Bus.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2020, 07:06:15 AM
I took the liberty of 'monitoring' the X8 from the Market Place stop on Long Lane using YourStop:
https://yourstop.info/
The 'scheduled' 06:48 journey showed 'predicted 06:48', so as far as I can see it arrived and departed on time.
And it was 4535 just as a 1 day treat.
Quote from: BN on January 07, 2020, 12:26:57 PM
And it was 4535 just as a 1 day treat.
Now as I have throughly enjoyed my morning on West Midlands Travel Ltd 13A - 74 - 16 - 9 - NXWM 4H I really arent going to let you spoil my day I may just round it off and get the last NXWM 4H to go lane swimming tonight................
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2020, 07:06:15 AM
I took the liberty of 'monitoring' the X8 from the Market Place stop on Long Lane using YourStop:
https://yourstop.info/
The 'scheduled' 06:48 journey showed 'predicted 06:48', so as far as I can see it arrived and departed on time.
Having enjoyed myself so much in the company of West Midlands Travel Limited today i am off now to enjoy NXWM 4H to do my lane swimming.....................
This basically The Birmingham Mail take on the meeting I attended this morning;
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiENeQ9x6gX_yDRPl7TczaMhsqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2c77CjC-yfQCMJzg0wU?hl=en-GB&gl=GB&ceid=GB%3Aen
2141 on WNX8
I would presume the excuse for this totally unacceptable single decker bus on this route from West Midlands Travel Limited will be the ongoing crisis with Megan Markle given the ludicrous excuses previously and no doubt the WN NXWN Route Schedulers were having to take part in the fraught conference call with The Ginger One, Camillas Squezze, My Fellow Villa Suppportor & Her Majesty that to me can be the only explanation of the utter incompetence of the schedulders at WN who one must presume they not only consider themeselves as royality & live like The Ginger One & The Suites Actress on a different planet from the rest of us have they thought of moving to Canada too?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 14, 2020, 12:49:51 PM
2141 on WNX8
I would presume the excuse for this totally unacceptable single decker bus on this route from West Midlands Travel Limited will be the ongoing crisis with Megan Markle given the ludicrous excuses previously and no doubt the WN NXWN Route Schedulers were having to take part in the fraught conference call with The Ginger One, Camillas Squezze, My Fellow Villa Suppportor & Her Majesty that to me can be the only explanation of the utter incompetence of the schedulders at WN who one must presume they not only consider themeselves as royality & live like The Ginger One & The Suites Actress on a different planet from the rest of us have they thought of moving to Canada too?
Was the vehicle full?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 14, 2020, 02:14:28 PM
Was the vehicle full?
My response was not intended to be taken too serious
@Trident 4194 !
West Midlands Travel Ltd have just posted timetable changes to the X10 14 14A and 24 from 26th January 2020 which even I wasnt aware of most odd as the change regards TfWM contracted services mind you the WMCA also do not seem to be aware of the changes registered with the Traffic Commisioner at short notice either most odd indeed. We really do need the powers of the Traffic Commisioner transfered to the Metro Mayor to stop this arrogance and make West Midlands Travel Limited accountable to all.stakeholders and not just its shareholders.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-26th-january-2020-2020-01-06
From The Repaint Thread:
"But how anyone can think a 'Mellor Marrow Bone Massager' is an improvement on anything defeats me!! You try travelling on one when you're over 65 with shopping bags - you might change your view.
From where I'm standing Diamond is a bit of a minor operator in the West Midlands. They don't appear to have any double deckers in the area mostly making do with lightweight mini/midi bus stuff. The modern day equivalent of a Bedford OB operation of the 50s in my view."
Using the Diamond Bus 208 and 24 I cannot recall a Mellor being allocated the route when Rotala held the contract so do not understand your point as I am comparing like for like as short wheelbased Darts were used on the route please explain?
Mellor's did the 208 right till it went to NX...
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 08:25:48 AM
Mellor's did the 208 right till it went to NX...
The regular allocation were Short Wheelbased Darts and Solos I was a relief driver for Midland Red West in the early 90s on the 209 on a Sunday driving a Merc Mini 609 so ejoyed the very last journey and the regular Diamond driver I knew well was stunned to discover I used to drive the route.. Mellors were not regulars on the 208 in its final months as I used it regulary to visit someone in Rowley Hospital before carrying on to Dudley.and never used one remember I am a big fan of the Mellors and would have welcomed then on the route if it hadnt been withdrawn. The 208/209/238/239 had ran for all of my 51 years as it passed one of my Aunties houses and I was quite sad to see it withdrawn.
To be honest, I don't want to argue with this you about this as I was really talking very generically. Specifically, NXWM 829 is not a short wheelbase Dart - it's an E200 and not even a short wheelbased one. NXWM have short wheelbased E200s as well, but 829 is not one.
In a generic sense you guys who like Diamond are not comparing apples and apples. NXWM is a much bigger operator running a large amount of commercial services - the fact they have a fleet of over 1000 double deckers and over 500 single deckers, mostly under 10 yrs old should tell you that. In comparison Diamond operate some competitive and some tendered routes but is a much smaller operation in the West Midlands. My main beef with this is that some of their commercial operation is not about running a full service but running some journeys where they feel they can cream off passengers and make some money.
However taste is a personal thing and I'm willing to accept some people like the under dog, maybe prefer blue buses etc etc and although I think they do a great job generally NXWM do make odd cock ups or mistakes. So it's not really worth arguing about taste, and if you want to sing the praises of Diamond there are Rotala threads where that can be done! And PS as a user I hate minibuses - they were a definite product of some of the worst aspects of Tory Policies in the 1980s - funny the coincidental reappearance eh?!!! It usually means there is not enough money being put into public services and engineering/economic aspects over ride customer service - on the rails the equivalent was/is the Pacer - how long before Pacer the second appears - oh it already has on Marston Vale..... 😏
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
To be honest, I don't want to argue about you with this as I was really talking very generically. Specifically, NXWM 829 is not a short wheelbase Dart - it's an E200 and not even a short wheelbased one. NXWM have short wheelbased E200s as well, but 829 is not one.
In a generic sense you guys who like Diamond are not comparing apples and apples. NXWM is a much bigger operator running a large amount of commercial services - the fact they have a fleet of over 1000 double deckers and over 500 single deckers, mostly under 10 yrs old should tell you that. In comparison Diamond operate some competitive and some tendered routes but is a much smaller operation in the West Midlands. My main beef with this is that some of their commercial operation is not about running a full service but running some journeys where they feel they can cream off passengers and make some money.
However taste is a personal thing and I'm willing to accept some people like the under dog, maybe prefer blue buses etc etc and although I think they do a great job generally NXWM do make odd cock ups or mistakes. So it's not really worth arguing about taste, and if you want to sing the praises of Diamond there are Rotala threads where that can be done! And PS as a user I hate minibuses - they were a definite product of some of the worst aspects of Tory Policies in the 1980s - funny the coincidental reappearance eh?!!! It usually means there is not enough money being put into public services and engineering/economic aspects over ride customer service - on the rails the equivalent was/is the Pacer - how long before Pacer the second appears - oh it already has on Marston Vale..... 😏
I thought the class 139 is the pacers second coming 😂 but you hit the nail on the head there
@don
@SL 16 YPN I'd forgotten about the class 139 - similar to minibuses as well! The class 230, if you haven't experienced one between Bedford and Bletchley, are quite something - but heavily recycled London Underground trains.
To be fair the Pacers aren't that bad - just not good if you experience one which is completely full of people and luggage, such as around Manchester or say, Newton Abbott to Torquay.
@richardjones210368, I definitely also miss those old Midland Red routes around the Black Country and would dearly love to experience the D2, S56 etc etc. However travel patterns have changed so much, not least with the loss of so much manufacturing in the early 80s, I guess it's really nostalgia.
Perhaps we could persuade museums like Wythall and Aldridge to bring some relevant buses over and have a running day - I for one would love to hear the Leyland engined Fleetline, 6311, howling up the hill from Blackheath to the church, or up Portway Road. Some D9s and the S17 would be good as well. A VR maybe (Dudley-Wolverhampton).
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
@SL 16 YPN I'd forgotten about the class 139 - similar to minibuses as well! The class 230, if you haven't experienced one between Bedford and Bletchley, are quite something - but heavily recycled London Underground trains.
To be fair the Pacers aren't that bad - just not good if you experience one which is completely full of people and luggage, such as around Manchester or say, Newton Abbott to Torquay.
@richardjones210368, I definitely also miss those old Midland Red routes around the Black Country and would dearly love to experience the D2, S56 etc etc. However travel patterns have changed so much, not least with the loss of so much manufacturing in the early 80s, I guess it's really nostalgia.
Perhaps we could persuade museums like Wythall and Aldridge to bring some relevant buses over and have a running day - I for one would love to hear the Leyland engined Fleetline, 6311, howling up the hill from Blackheath to the church, or up Portway Road. Some D9s and the S17 would be good as well. A VR maybe (Dudley-Wolverhampton).
To be honest
@don we do not need a running day in Blackheath on many Sundays someone has an old Fleetline or National or Ailsa parked up by Sainsburys as many come with their mates to enjoy the traditional pubs in the town. You often see a WMPTE Fleetline being thrashed past St Giles Church on a ghostly 140 to be honest on a regular basis its surprising how many positive comments you get waiting for the 4H. In regard to your other comments I personally do not rate West Midlands Travel Limited as a competent operator that is fit for purpose in serving the needs of its customers all I see is a PLC using a Cash Cow to increase its dividends. The Company is only interested in own profits has no social conscious and treats the passenger authority with disdain and contempt. I fully welcome the increased regulation planned to be announced on March 11th which will finally clip the wings of company that operates solely for its own self serving needs. I support Diamond Bus Ltd simply because as a Sandwell resident I am supporting a local business, a local employer and a company that actually listens to its passengers together with offering highly competitive fares to one of the poorest areas of the country. The 2018 changes to bus services in Blackheath by West Midlands Travel are testimant to a company operating in an oligopoly market which is of no benefit to anyone but the shareholders of National Express PLC. With regard to the Mellors I applaud them as they offer an low cost alternative to the council tax payer when procuring socially necessary services.such as the 231 I use regulary I much perfer them them and the Solos to the awfull E200s used by other operators in Blackheath which seem to frequently be reported as broken down on this forum.
I think a Dudley running day would be great!
On your objections to NXWM, do Diamond publish passenger satisfaction results on a regular basis for their West Midlands operation? I know NXWM do, and this has indicated, for instance an ongoing perceived improvement in the standard of vehicles. NXWM have gone out of their way to bring it's fleet to Euro 6 standard - that doesn't accord with your description. NXWM have a base in Sandwell as well, you know!! Not sure if that alone is bigger than Diamond's Tividale Depot, allocation wise.
When/if wider regulation occurs, I am hopeful that TfWM won't water down the spec of services so that operators who don't provide double deckers currently aren't excused from doing so in the future at the expense of passengers on routes like the 16 in Birmingham, which benefit from a regular service of high quality double deck capacity. They should keep passenger needs at the forefront of this.
Again harking back to the 80s, I lived in a town for a while where the local (Municipal) operator was replacing double deckers with single deckers - fine in the off peak - rubbish in the peak as many had to stand or got left behind on the pavement. The operator really shouldn't have been doing this as the level of service deteriorated significantly - the buses were also less manouverable so were subject to greater delays owing to parking (and standee single deckers were proven to be useless, passenger need wise, in Birmingham on the 36 as long ago as 1967-68 - they may be OK on Red Arrow 507 but elsewhere? Not really. On the 36 they were replaced ultimately by Jumbo Fleetlines 3967-79).
So let's hope TfWM get this right. As you will guess, I don't share your view of NXWM.
I am a fairly regular user of London's regulated buses - whilst many standards are very good (the oldest buses I regularly encounter are now 08 Trident/E400s) they seemingly don't require buses to have heaters for use in the winter. The buses provided in the Midlands are really of a similar and in many cases better (Platinum) standard.
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 01:52:06 PM
I think a Dudley running day would be great!
On your objections to NXWM, do Diamond publish passenger satisfaction results on a regular basis for their West Midlands operation? I know NXWM do, and this has indicated, for instance an ongoing perceived improvement in the standard of vehicles. NXWM have gone out of their way to bring it's fleet to Euro 6 standard - that doesn't accord with your description. NXWM have a base in Sandwell as well, you know!! Not sure if that alone is bigger than Diamond's Tividale Depot, allocation wise.
When/if wider regulation occurs, I am hopeful that TfWM won't water down the spec of services so that operators who don't provide double deckers currently aren't excused from doing so in the future at the expense of passengers on routes like the 16 in Birmingham, which benefit from a regular service of high quality double deck capacity. They should keep passenger needs at the forefront of this.
Again harking back to the 80s, I lived in a town for a while where the local (Municipal) operator was replacing double deckers with single deckers - fine in the off peak - rubbish in the peak as many had to stand or got left behind on the pavement. The operator really shouldn't have been doing this as the level of service deteriorated significantly - the buses were also less manouverable so were subject to greater delays owing to parking (and standee single deckers were proven to be useless, passenger need wise, in Birmingham on the 36 as long ago as 1967-68 - they may be OK on Red Arrow 507 but elsewhere? Not really. On the 36 they were replaced ultimately by Jumbo Fleetlines 3967-79).
So let's hope TfWM get this right. As you will guess, I don't share your view of NXWM.
I am a fairly regular user of London's regulated buses - whilst many standards are very good (the oldest buses I regularly encounter are now 08 Trident/E400s) they seemingly don't require buses to have heaters for use in the winter. The buses provided in the Midlands are really of a similar and in many cases better (Platinum) standard.
In Response:
1. To be honest I think Platnuim buses are the stupist concept ever in the West Midlands the concept is totally unsuitable for the urban routes they are they dark filthy hit evey bump in the road have seats like sitting on a comode and fèel as though you are in a travelling prison cell while the rest of WMT stock seems to be tired Tridents, Scanias falling apart and E200s that are poorly maintained giving the overall apperance of a PLC using a company as a cashcow with a total disregard to its customers.
2. Rotalas corporate head quarters are in Sandwell therefore as a Sandwell resident they are the only locally based bus company.
3. All operators passenger satisfaction levels are reviewed at the Bus Champion Meetings
4. It is interesting even a Conservative government elected on a large majority sees the need to place greater controls of the activities on bus operators thru authorities such as the WMCA.
5. The London Model is fundamently flawed and only exists due to the huge level of subsidy to support it.
I would like to refer all posters who do not agree with my comments about West Midlands Travel Ltd and its operations in Blackheath to page 52 of todays Birmingham Mail ; the readers letter page - Talkback - and the lead letter writers comments about thier experience of using the company on the 97 or will this letter writer also be attacked for thier honest views of West Midlands Travel Limited too part of a PLC that is currently in breach of its legal obligations under The Companies Act 2006 for failing to file a CS01 for one of its companies and whose Directors will ultimatly face prosecution if the matter is not rectified posters question why the company is not fit and proper!
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00775806
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 02:12:11 PM
In Response:
1. To be honest I think Platnuim buses are the stupist concept ever in the West Midlands the concept is totally unsuitable for the urban routes they are they dark filthy hit evey bump in the road have seats like sitting on a comode and fèel as though you are in a travelling prison cell while the rest of WMT stock seems to be tired Tridents, Scanias falling apart and E200s that are poorly maintained giving the overall apperance of a PLC using a company as a cashcow with a total disregard to its customers.
I doubt a majority of passengers would agree with your comments about Platinum buses - and 'knackered Tridents' aren't a majority of NXWM buses. The fact Rotala does not operate double deckers in West Midlands suggests they are not fit to operate many of the services, which is why I would worry if they were invited to operate many of them
2. Rotalas corporate head quarters are in Sandwell therefore as a Sandwell resident they are the only locally based bus company.
Is their corporate HQ the ex Birmingham Coach Company depot at Tividale?
3. All operators passenger satisfaction levels are reviewed at the Bus Champion Meetings
Are Rotala's better than NXWM's
4. It is interesting even a Conservative government elected on a large majority sees the need to place greater controls of the activities on bus operators thru authorities such as the WMCA.
I think they recognise the value of public transport, unlike previous Tory Governments - however whether they provide the money to operate Regulation satisfactorily is a moot point - any failure will be blamed on TfWM
5. The London Model is fundamently flawed and only exists due to the huge level of subsidy to support it.
It's certainly the best and most reliable and most integrated system I've encountered - I'd like to hear the alternative and also wonder under who's analysis it's been proven as flawed
I have annotated against your responses. You do seem to have a 'downer' on NXWM.
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
I have annotated against your responses. You do seem to have a 'downer' on NXWM.
In.Response:
1. I have only seen Tridents all week on the 13A that are scruffy old and not fit to be on a main trunk route to the UKs 2nd City. I cannot see why anyone who uses Plantnum could ever like such monsterous hulks compered with Stagecoach Gold. When were out for an evening on a Daysaver5 my car driving mates share the same opinion they laugh at them and have nicknamed them zombie buses and they are the very folk we should be getting out of thier cars and onto buses. If required as Rotala operates double deckers in Redditch & Bolton why would Tividale be a problem if required.
3. I suggest you make Freedom of Information request to the WMCA .
4. The Buses Act is a sound foundation to build further regulation on through QEPs & EPs
5. Having worked in Whitehall I have never seen so much money spent on a pathetic public service I used daily late buses overcrowded buses buses broken down massive fare evision stabbings and muggings and more fires than diamond constantly hardly a model to suggest as such after using it for 5 years it is frankly laughable. I personally would always use the Paris model of RAPT .The London.version is a joke.
Response to point 1 of this gentleman's response...
If Im really honest as long as a bus turns up I couldn't care less if its a volvo, E400MMC, old trident, or eclipse so long as it gets me from A-Z... My local route the 12/12A has a cheeky bit of everything on it, and I find it adds to the routes charm. Never know what's going to turn up... Reminds me of being a child in the 90s and it being a toss up between a metrobus or lynx on the 120... happy days, so long as a bus turns up, does the job and gets me where I need to go I couldn't give a hoot what turns up... And I think looking at it from a commuter's point of view I think most are of the same opinion, how many regular none enthusiasts know what a trident is, or a enviro 200.
The Platinum concept is really no different to those brands operated by pretty much every other major operator up and down the country: E400MMCs with high backed seating, Wi-Fi and USB ports. The only real differences are the interior colour schemes. That sort of spec is now pretty much the norm on all new buses. Really can't see what the issue is. There a far more important things in life to moan about than modern grey buses.
Quote from: Mike K on January 17, 2020, 05:42:44 PM
The Platinum concept is really no different to those brands operated by pretty much every other major operator up and down the country: E400MMCs with high backed seating, Wi-Fi and USB ports. The only real differences are the interior colour schemes. That sort of spec is now pretty much the norm on all new buses. Really can't see what the issue is. There a far more important things in life to moan about than modern grey buses.
They are so depressing and awfull Andrew Lincon could do with slaying the lot of them along with his zombies and how you can compere them to the Stagecoach Gold Scannias on the X80 From Torquay to Plymouth is just flabergasting .
Quote from: Mike K on January 17, 2020, 05:42:44 PM
The Platinum concept is really no different to those brands operated by pretty much every other major operator up and down the country: E400MMCs with high backed seating, Wi-Fi and USB ports. The only real differences are the interior colour schemes. That sort of spec is now pretty much the norm on all new buses. Really can't see what the issue is. There a far more important things in life to moan about than modern grey buses.
I'd agree that spec is pretty much standard across most of the major groups, the main difference I can see is that Stagecoach Gold / Arriva Sapphire seats do come with much deeper padding. The Platinum seats are a bit too firm for me.
Quote from: danny on January 17, 2020, 05:10:13 PM
Response to point 1 of this gentleman's response...
If Im really honest as long as a bus turns up I couldn't care less if its a volvo, E400MMC, old trident, or eclipse so long as it gets me from A-Z... My local route the 12/12A has a cheeky bit of everything on it, and I find it adds to the routes charm. Never know what's going to turn up... Reminds me of being a child in the 90s and it being a toss up between a metrobus or lynx on the 120... happy days, so long as a bus turns up, does the job and gets me where I need to go I couldn't give a hoot what turns up... And I think looking at it from a commuter's point of view I think most are of the same opinion, how many regular none enthusiasts know what a trident is, or a enviro 200.
To me a Trident is ok on.the WB 3 or 3A but on a trunk route in one of the biggest European Cities well till the 31st anyway its an utter disgrace the monoploisic bus company uses bueses over 10 years old on a main trunk route West Midlands Travel Limited show yet again thier contempt fot the countrys 2nd city with this.
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
I'd agree that spec is pretty much standard across most of the major groups, the main difference I can see is that Stagecoach Gold / Arriva Sapphire seats do come with much deeper padding. The Platinum seats are a bit too firm for me.
The spec of NX buses can't be that bad, after all they were asked to contribute to the bus pool in London during the Olympics in 2012.
Not all operators got that honour!
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
I'd agree that spec is pretty much standard across most of the major groups, the main difference I can see is that Stagecoach Gold / Arriva Sapphire seats do come with much deeper padding. The Platinum seats are a bit too firm for me.
The interiors of Stagecoach South Wests Golds X80 from Torquay to Plymouth are much brighter and cleaner while the Scannias give a much better ride on much worse roads I have had easier smoother rides on the old Long Flume On Blackpool Pleasure Beach the Plantnums are awfull buses totally unsuitable to urban routes the biggest mistake in West Midlands Bus History since the Jumbos especially if you have to use the rottern haulks give me a Streetdeck Double Decker anyday now that is a fine urban bus and the idiots at WMT only bought five or so that tells you so much about a company that puts cheap and nasty before quality.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2020, 06:02:55 PM
The spec of NX buses can't be that bad, after all they were asked to contribute to the bus pool in London during the Olympics in 2012.
Not all operators got that honour!
Some honour the overall contract was awarded to FirstGroup what a PLC to compere yourself too!!! Mind you I cannot recall these god awfull grey zombie buses on the 140 in 2012 unless you know better and wasnt the main interior scheme then the lovley bright TWM Blue & Red or do you know different?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2020, 06:02:55 PM
The spec of NX buses can't be that bad, after all they were asked to contribute to the bus pool in London during the Olympics in 2012.
Not all operators got that honour!
Where did I say they were bad??
I simply said, the Platinum seats are too firm for me, the seat spec aren't coach seats, nowhere near as comfy as Timesaver or DP Nationals seats were!!
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
Where did I say they were bad??
I simply said, the seats are too firm for me, nothing like as comfy as Timesaver seats or DP Nationals!!
Now that I do agree on that with WMPTE the brown leather seats on the R reg Suburban Nationals were wicked and never bettered & I went to my swimmng club every saturday morning on one on the 202 & they were a beast of bus
@Winston and quite right in the Blackheath thread.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
They are so depressing and awfull Andrew Lincon could do with slaying the lot of them along with his zombies and how you can compere them to the Stagecoach Gold Scannias on the X80 From Torquay to Plymouth is just flabergasting .
You being able to read something I didn't write is even more flabbergasting. You said that the Platinum concept was stupid and that they were unsuitable for the urban routes they operate on. My point was that this concept is really no different to what all the big operators do.
Stagecoach operate high back seated, Wifi equipped MMCs on urban routines in numerous towns and cities. As do Arriva, First etc.
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 06:09:55 PM
Where did I say they were bad??
I simply said, the seats are too firm for me, the seat spec aren't coach seats, nowhere near as comfy as Timesaver or DP Nationals seats were!!
Sorry
@Winston, didn't mean to quote you, my point was to be it seems that a forum member is obviously once again criticising the spec of NX buses and that they can't be that bad if they were used during the Olympics.
I can agree with you about the seats, but then these days a lot of buses have these kind of seats as well as trains (try the seats on the class 802 on GWR, my bottom was sore after 1/2 an hour, imagine travelling between London and Penzance on one).
I suppose it comes at the end of the day to money, if you want buses with a higher spec, then you have to pay a higher price and that means higher fares for the passenger.
Quote from: Mike K on January 17, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
You being able to read something I didn't write is even more flabbergasting. You said that the Platinum concept was stupid and that they were unsuitable for the urban routes they operate on. My point was that this concept is really no different to what all the big operators do.
Stagecoach operate high back seated, Wifi equipped MMCs on urban routines in numerous towns and cities. As do Arriva, First etc.
You cannot compere the Stagecoach Gold Scannias on the X80 From.Torquay to Plymouth with those utter rubbish hulks we have had forced on us on the X8 at least the X10 gets a fine quality Streetdeck if only I lived a little bit closer to The Stag I would be a happy man on this forum.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
Sorry @Winston, didn't mean to quote you, my point was to be it seems that a forum member is obviously once again criticising the spec of NX buses and that they can't be that bad if they were used during the Olympics.
I can agree with you about the seats, but then these days a lot of buses have these kind of seats as well as trains (try the seats on the class 802 on GWR, my bottom was sore after 1/2 an hour, imagine travelling between London and Penzance on one).
I suppose it comes at the end of the day to money, if you want buses with a higher spec, then you have to pay a higher price and that means higher fares for the passenger.
What on earth has an GWR CLASS 802 train.got to do with Blackheath? and for the record I thinlk the NXWM spec X10 Streetdecks are the best buses on the roads of the West Midlands since the 1976 WMPTE Ailsas so where does that leave your constant crticisim of my comments?
With response to
@richardjones210368...
Where as I can see your point of view the point still stands that a trident is a double decker on a double decker route. Nxwm have invested heavily In new state of the art buses and standardised platinum on all new orders aswell as invested heavily in a refurbisment program on most older buses both inside and out... A 10 year old trident with a luck of paint and a new interiors.
I fully acknowledge that the platiums may not be to everybody's taste, as winston has said he much prefers the first generation of high spec buses of the 80s, personally my only recolection of such buses are when travel your bus where transfered some DP lynxes which were a regular on my once local 81Y service... I unfortunately have never had the privaledge of riding a DP national or metro bus as there were never in my local garages. But realistically how long are we on buses for for any one time, any single journey I make locally takes between 20-40 minutes, if I have to transfer onto another bus or make a connection I don't tend to be on it for much longer than the time quoted. This is ofcourse discounting traffic, unexpected holdups or three odd mishap.
If I need to go further or there is an alternate I take the train...
I look forward to what nx offering will be this year as we await the long anticipated all electric deckers...
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2020, 06:21:47 PM
Sorry @Winston, didn't mean to quote you, my point was to be it seems that a forum member is obviously once again criticising the spec of NX buses and that they can't be that bad if they were used during the Olympics.
I can agree with you about the seats, but then these days a lot of buses have these kind of seats as well as trains (try the seats on the class 802 on GWR, my bottom was sore after 1/2 an hour, imagine travelling between London and Penzance on one).
I suppose it comes at the end of the day to money, if you want buses with a higher spec, then you have to pay a higher price and that means higher fares for the passenger.
As I already said via PM, you now have the tools to block that certain member or certain members topics if you don't like them....
Platinum's didn't exist until 2015, so I don't see where the reference to 2012 Olympics has any baring, and the only other comments I've seen (not read them all) were regarding elderly Tridents being used on core routes.
To be honest one could make comments on any of these 'uprated spec' buses - I travelled on an Arriva Sapphire bus that was not only uncomfortable, it was filthy inside, full of litter and was driven by a driver who seemed to think he was driving a private car, throwing the passengers around so much.
Stagecoach SE has introduced an inter urban service which sometimes runs from North Greewich to Canterbury (M2) - it is sometimes run by high spec coaches but equally you might find yourself on a relatively old E400 (Scania or ADL). This is run to an extent in competition with SE trains operated by class 395 or 375 or Kings Ferry's superb coaches. It appears a bit of a half hearted effort!!
I caught a Stagecoach Gold bus from Paignton to Torquay once and the high seats do make them clostrophobic in some conditions - but who gave them permission to have the Prince of Wales feathers logo embossed in the seat headrest backs? I thought they were maybe getting a bit above their station.
The Bournemouth to Salisbury Morebus high spec Go Ahead buses even have tables upstairs.
So I don't see why NXWM is singled out on this.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
You cannot compere the Stagecoach Gold Scannias on the X80 From.Torquay to Plymouth with those utter rubbish hulks we have had forced on us on the X8 at least the X10 gets a fine quality Streetdeck if only I lived a little bit closer to The Stag I would be a happy man on this forum.
I really wouldn't put Streetdeck & Quality in the same sentence, they seem to spend far more time parked up in Pensnett garage doing nothing (VOR), particularly 3304.
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 06:29:21 PM
To be honest one could make comments on any of these 'uprated spec' buses - I travelled on an Arriva Sapphire bus that was not only uncomfortable, it was filthy inside, full of litter and was driven by a driver who seemed to think he was driving a private car, throwing the passengers around so much.
Stagecoach SE has introduced an inter urban service which sometimes runs from North Greewich to Canterbury (M2) - it is sometimes run by high spec coaches but equally you might find yourself on a relatively old E400 (Scania or ADL). This is run to an extent in competition with SE trains operated by class 395 or 375 or Kings Ferry's superb coaches. It appears a bit of a half hearted effort!!
I caught a Stagecoach Gold bus from Paignton to Torquay once and the high seats do make them clostrophobic in some conditions - but who gave them permission to have the Prince of Wales feathers logo embossed in the seat headrest backs? I thought they were maybe getting a bit above their station.
The Bournemouth to Salisbury Morebus high spec Go Ahead buses even have tables upstairs.
So I don't see why NXWM is singled out on this.
The seats will never ever suit all, it's down to personal preference, it was always depend on a persons height, body shape, posture, weight, length of journey etc
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 06:29:21 PM
To be honest one could make comments on any of these 'uprated spec' buses - I travelled on an Arriva Sapphire bus that was not only uncomfortable, it was filthy inside, full of litter and was driven by a driver who seemed to think he was driving a private car, throwing the passengers around so much.
Stagecoach SE has introduced an inter urban service which sometimes runs from North Greewich to Canterbury (M2) - it is sometimes run by high spec coaches but equally you might find yourself on a relatively old E400 (Scania or ADL). This is run to an extent in competition with SE trains operated by class 395 or 375 or Kings Ferry's superb coaches. It appears a bit of a half hearted effort!!
I caught a Stagecoach Gold bus from Paignton to Torquay once and the high seats do make them clostrophobic in some conditions - but who gave them permission to have the Prince of Wales feathers logo embossed in the seat headrest backs? I thought they were maybe getting a bit above their station.
The Bournemouth to Salisbury Morebus high spec Go Ahead buses even have tables upstairs.
So I don't see why NXWM is singled out on this.
As my mum and dad used to live in Torquay I asked the Paignton Operations Manager just that not long after they took over the X80 from First and the offical line was they are not the Prince of Wales feathers but are Fleur De Leys...........................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
Having worked in Whitehall I have never seen so much money spent on a pathetic public service I used daily late buses overcrowded buses buses broken down massive fare evision stabbings and muggings and more fires than diamond constantly hardly a model to suggest as such after using it for 5 years it is frankly laughable. I personally would always use the Paris model of RAPT .The London.version is a joke.
Everyone is entitled to a view but this is frankly ill informed and silly. Londoners rely on the public transport system and it is extremely reliable and well used (and generally well presented). I would be furious if someone tried to impose a different system when the existing one provides such a good service.
Ive used several elements of it daily for a number of years - apart from when road works affects things or there's a tram or rail incident, which is about every three weeks or so, it runs like clockwork. In comparison I'm about to claim South Eastern delay repay for over 2 hrs on one journey on S Eastern high speed - the one I eventually got on had 100+ people standing in my carriage - at 125 mph!!
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
The seats will never ever suit all, it's down to personal preference, it was always depend on a persons height, body shape, posture, weight, length of journey etc
At 6foot 1 and built like a navvy I find the 15plate E400s far more comfotable with better leg room personally than the awfull Plantnums but I do have a soft spot for the Wright Streetdecks light comfoy and a lovley ride.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:25:50 PM
You cannot compere the Stagecoach Gold Scannias on the X80 From.Torquay to Plymouth with those utter rubbish hulks we have had forced on us on the X8 at least the X10 gets a fine quality Streetdeck if only I lived a little bit closer to The Stag I would be a happy man on this forum.
I didn't. I really didn't. I'm talking about the standard offerings of First, Go Ahead, Arriva, Stagecoach etc for use on local urban services. They all offer pretty much the same spec in terms of WiFi, usb, etc. Platinum is now the norm / standard spec for NX deliveries. My point was that this 'stupid' concept differs in no way to what other big operators offer.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:33:54 PM
the offical line was they are not the Prince of Wales feathers but are Fleur De Leys...........................
Pies rather than royalty then ;D
(That's a bit 1960s - Fleur de Lys pies!!)
Quote from: danny on January 17, 2020, 06:27:57 PM
With response to @richardjones210368...
Where as I can see your point of view the point still stands that a trident is a double decker on a double decker route. Nxwm have invested heavily In new state of the art buses and standardised platinum on all new orders aswell as invested heavily in a refurbisment program on most older buses both inside and out... A 10 year old trident with a luck of paint and a new interiors.
I fully acknowledge that the platiums may not be to everybody's taste, as winston has said he much prefers the first generation of high spec buses of the 80s, personally my only recolection of such buses are when travel your bus where transfered some DP lynxes which were a regular on my once local 81Y service... I unfortunately have never had the privaledge of riding a DP national or metro bus as there were never in my local garages. But realistically how long are we on buses for for any one time, any single journey I make locally takes between 20-40 minutes, if I have to transfer onto another bus or make a connection I don't tend to be on it for much longer than the time quoted. This is ofcourse discounting traffic, unexpected holdups or three odd mishap.
If I need to go further or there is an alternate I take the train...
I look forward to what nx offering will be this year as we await the long anticipated all electric deckers...
I have no complaints about the NXWM Wright Streetdecks on PN X10 the perfect urban bus in my opinion.and a credit to the operator
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Pies rather than royalty then ;D
(That's a bit 1960s - Fleur de Lys pies!!)
From what I was told
@don oh & I am very happy as I am now on a NXWM Wright Streetdeck on the X1O a credit to the operator as I am heading for Halesowen & not Blackheath and a joy to ride on.
Quote from: don on January 17, 2020, 06:35:53 PM
Everyone is entitled to a view but this is frankly ill informed and silly. Londoners rely on the public transport system and it is extremely reliable and well used (and generally well presented). I would be furious if someone tried to impose a different system when the existing one provides such a good service.
Ive used several elements of it daily for a number of years - apart from when road works affects things or there's a tram or rail incident, which is about every three weeks or so, it runs like clockwork. In comparison I'm about to claim South Eastern delay repay for over 2 hrs on one journey on S Eastern high speed - the one I eventually got on had 100+ people standing in my carriage - at 125 mph!!
I am.not sure how using London Buses for 5 years 3 days a week how on earth I could be described as silly and ill informed as I never used the underground or trains once it was 100% bus all the way with my annual TfL.Oyster Bus Pass is there anyone one the forum who has used TfL Buses more than me I would welcome thier conscrutive opinions rather than personal attacks and yes I really did used to stay 3 days a week in where else Blackheath South London so we are not off thread.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:51:07 PM
I am.not sure how using London Buses for 5 years 3 days a week how on earth I could be described as silly and ill informed as I never used the underground or trains once it was 100% bus all the way with my annual TfL.Oyster Bus Pass.
And of course, London would never use a bus over 10 years old on a main trunk route would they?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 06:55:04 PM
And of course, London would never use a bus over 10 years old on a main trunk route would they?
TfL contract the buses to the most appropriate routes TfWM do not they have to put up with whatever the operator puts on the route subject to emissions legislation did you not realise that
@Tony
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
TfL contact the buses to the most appropriate routes TfWM do not they have to put up with whatever the operator puts on the route subject to emissions legislation did you not realise thst @Tony
Perhaps you ought to go down to London then. I was photographing 14 year old E400s on New Bus For London Routes last week.
Arriva London were using 15 year old ALX400s exactly the same bus you moan about on the 2 route past Buckingham palace up until 18 months ago.(as per TfL spec)
Stagecoach London have only just taken 18 year old second hand darts off the road.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Perhaps you ought to go down to London then. I was photographing 14 year old E400s on New Bus For London Routes last week.
Arriva London North were using 15 year old ALX400s exactly the same bus you moan about on the 2 route past Buckingham palace up until 18 months ago.(as per TfL spec)
Stagecoach London have only just taken 18 year old second hand darts off the road.
I cannot see your argument here
@Tony the buses are specified in the contracts agreed with the operators and are fit for purpose the Tridents I have been on on the 13A this week are scheduled by an operator that is not required to meet the specifications laid down for London under TfL's tendering scheme your company can put out any vechicle that meets the current emissions standards and does not have to meet any standards of quality as required by TfL I doubt whether the Tridents used on the 13A would meet TfL contract requirements from the quality of vechicle I have been on this week.so I fail to see any credence in your argument just to remind you I will be using TfL 11 on the 19th March and 18 months is a long time I fail to see how the 2 is a defence for the 13A or did you travel to London in a Tardis I am using the Megabus?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
I cannot see your argument here the buses are specified in the contracts agreed with the operators and are fit for for purpose the Tridents I have been on on the 13A this week are scheduled by an operator that is not required to meet the specifications laid down for London under TfL's tendering scheme your company can put out any vechicle that meets the current emissions standards and does not have to meet any standards of quality as required by TfL I doubt whether the Tridents used on the 13A would meet TfL contract requirements from the quality of vechicle I have been on this week.so I fail to see any credence in argument.
And what is your argument?
TfL were happy to specifiy 15 year old ALX400s upgraded with traps to Euro 5 on a major route into the city past major landmarks on a very busy route and that is acceptable
NXWM use identical 15 year old vehicles upgraded to Euro 5 emission an a route into the city centre and it is not acceptable
This photo of one of them I took in 2015 shows far more bodywork damage and etched windows than any of Pensnett's 44xx tridents have
http://wmbusphotos.com/ArrivaUK/ArrivaLondonVLA1.html
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 07:24:46 PM
And what is your argument?
TfL were happy to specifiy 15 year old ALX400s upgraded with traps to Euro 5 on a major route into the city past major landmarks on a very busy route and that is acceptable
NXWM use identical 15 year old vehicles upgraded to Euro 5 emission an a route into the city centre and it is not acceptable
This photo of one of them I took in 2015 shows far more bodywork damage and etched windows than any of Pensnett's 44xx tridents have
http://wmbusphotos.com/ArrivaUK/ArrivaLondonVLA1.html
Lovley pictures
@Tony but then again I was witness for your company when the 6 was damaged in a vandal attack near Dudley Top Church on a Sunday in September and have enjoyed the etching on the 11 so I am not sure what your trying to prove there the ALX400s specifications were set by TfL and not the operator and so how could the standard of a commercial operation be judged against the public sector not for profit percument as an accountant the economies of scale are uncomparable in terms of quality your company is only concerned with its profit margin TfL Buses are most certainly not profit motivated
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 05:57:48 PM
its an utter disgrace the monoploisic bus company uses bueses over 10 years old on a main trunk route
You quote above
So why is it OK for monoplosic TfL to use buses over 10 years old on a main trunk route?
Even the NBfL are planned for a 14 year life and some are now 8 years old and just starting their second 7 year spells
And of course TfL were quite happy with these shockingly bad second hand 16 year old buses being used!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LonGen/DMN12.html
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 07:46:28 PM
And of course TfL were quite happy with these shockingly bad second hand 16 year old buses being used!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LonGen/DMN12.html
It is of course TfL's responsibility as the procurment authority to judge what is fit and proper for the contracts its awards sadly NXWM can do what it wants on its commercial services its only accountable to TfWM for its contract service I am sure you like me are looking forward to the 11th March announcrment when TfWM hopefully will be able to set the same standards to operators as TfWM hopefully this may bring an end to Tridents on the 13A a bus of this age and poor quality is not really fit for purpose in 2020 in a major European City ; well till 31st; is it
@Tony ?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 07:09:27 PM
Perhaps you ought to go down to London then. I was photographing 14 year old E400s on New Bus For London Routes last week.
Arriva London were using 15 year old ALX400s exactly the same bus you moan about on the 2 route past Buckingham palace up until 18 months ago.(as per TfL spec)
Stagecoach London have only just taken 18 year old second hand darts off the road.
The 2 is operated by Arriva London South not Arriva London North Tony.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 07:56:06 PM
It is of course TfL's responsibility as the procurment authority to judge what is fit and proper for the contracts its awards sadly NXWM can do what it wants on its commercial services its only accountable to TfWM for its contract service I am sure you like me are looking forward to the 11th March announcrment when TfWM hopefully will be able to set the same standards to operators as TfWM hopefully this may bring an end to Tridents on the 13A a bus of this age and poor quality is not really fit for purpose in 2020 in a major European City ; well till 31st; is it @Tony ?
Sorry! They are quite happy with these refurbished tridents. In fact 2 BC tridents are currently at Grayson's being made up to Euro6 with the help of money from TfWM !
Regarding the platinums as I saw it posted somewhere:
Pros:
Fast, good heating, USB ports, fairly professional looking with clear displays, good for environment
Cons:
The dull interior, worsened by some platinums having blacked out rear windows not allowing any light into the vehicle. Common occurrence is for lights to flicker on and off. They are fairly lifeless from a enthusiast perspective. Seat cushions on the rear are extremely hard, give me a tridents rear cushions to these.
The Voith ones are far superior to ZF in my opinion
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 08:06:35 PM
Sorry! They are quite happy with these refurbished tridents. In fact 2 BC tridents are currently at Grayson's being made up to Euro6 with the help of money from TfWM !
Well thank goodness you finally agree with me TfWM are happy like TfL to procure buses that meet the highest quality standards rather than those of a commercial operator such as NXWM and so should be applauded for upgrading buses to fit and proper modern standards that are acceptable to the transport authority rather than operator cheers
@Tony will have a large red in Spoons tonight in your honour.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 08:14:26 PM
Well thank goodness you finally agree with me TfWM are happy like TfL to procure buses that meet the highest quality standards rather than those of a commercial operator such as NXWM and so should be applauded for upgrading buses to fit and proper modern standards that are acceptable to the transport authority rather than operator cheers @Tony will have a large red in Spoons tonight in your honour.
Percentage of fleet NXWM is actually ahead of London for Euro 6!
I have to say etching on NX buses has definitely improved, there's hardly any buses now that have serious etching than say there was back in 2008/2009 time. There's a photo of a DD on the 63 on the main site from about ten years ago and the upper deck etching was atrocious, however you don't see anything like that now!
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 08:20:44 PM
I have to say etching on NX buses has definitely improved, there's hardly any buses now that have serious etching than say there was back in 2008/2009 time. There's a photo of a DD on the 63 on the main site from about ten years ago and the upper deck etching was atrocious, however you don't see anything like that now!
NXWM have come on leaps & bounds since 2005-7 when TWM/NWXM's fleet was very neglected / starved of new fleet investment due to priority being on expanding Travel London. Nothing was refurbished back then, and new vehicle investment levels since 2011 & emphasis on quality has been impressive.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 08:17:21 PM
Percentage of fleet NXWM is actually ahead of London for Euro 6!
Excellent news and partly I gather with TfWM support you say well thats the way forward I fully agree much more Quality Partnerships with TfWM even I cant argue with that Cheers
@Tony
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
NXWM have come on leaps & bounds since 2006-8 when TWM/NWXM's fleet was very neglected / starved of new fleet investment due to priority being on expensing Travel London. Nothing was refurbished back then, and new vehicle investment levels since 2011 & emphasis on quality has been impressive.
The first proper start was the mass investment in the Presidents in 2007 and then all the E400's...
Billy X8 is seriously on another planet...
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 08:25:55 PM
Excellent news and partly I gather with TfWM support you say well thats the way forward I fully agree much more Quality Partnerships with TfWM even I cant argue with that Cheers @Tony
Mainly because of the 342 Platinums (about 22% of the fleet) 96 other Euro 6 bought new and Graysons are now past the 400 mark with conversions giving a total of over 50% of the entire fleet.
Every Enviro 400 is now Euro 6
Only a few E200s to do
only a few B7RLEs to do
only 2 of the BC Hybrids left to do
Graysons are now starting on Tridents, Gemini & Scanias along with the Wolverhampton Hybrids
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 17, 2020, 08:13:39 PM
Regarding the platinums as I saw it posted somewhere:
Pros:
Fast, good heating, USB ports, fairly professional looking with clear displays, good for environment
Cons:
The dull interior, worsened by some platinums having blacked out rear windows not allowing any light into the vehicle. Common occurrence is for lights to flicker on and off. They are fairly lifeless from a enthusiast perspective. Seat cushions on the rear are extremely hard, give me a tridents rear cushions to these.
The Voith ones are far superior to ZF in my opinion
I will agree with your points, but please remember that the vast majority of bus passengers are not 'enthusiasts'.
Non-enthusiast passengers like myself just want a clean, comfortable bus that will take them where they need to go.
On the services I regularly use, the 2 and 3 (YW), the buses are mostly battered old Tridents with grubby interiors and worn seats. I don't really care myself about this, as long as I can get a seat and get to and from work, I don't mind really. But when a Platinum does turn up on these routes, I consider it a 'rare treat'. From a non-enthusiast passenger perspective, they are perceived as 'nice buses'.
Of course when I lived in South Yardley, I regularly travelled on the Platinum X1 and X2 services, so I was spoilt for a couple of years...
But please lets not start the whole "which gearbox is better" debate again...
Quote from: Winston on January 17, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
NXWM have come on leaps & bounds since 2006-8 when TWM/NWXM's fleet was very neglected / starved of new fleet investment due to priority being on expensing Travel London. Nothing was refurbished back then, and new vehicle investment levels since 2011 & emphasis on quality has been impressive.
Now the fleet is starting to look good, the aim is now to have the presentation perfect. That will be impossible to achieve with the current passenger base, but each engineering manager will get a list of buses noticed by staff, passengers who complain, or enthusiasts posting on the oddities page, which is why that thread needs to be just genuine oddities once a month and expected to get them sorted.
This includes
Fleetnames etc on the outside
Seat backs, etched windows, wrong or damaged seatbacks or poles. Incorrect seat covers on the inside.
Things like missing route branding will also be fixed now, but replacements have to be ordered and fitted by a contractor, so will take a little longer to fix
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
The first proper start was the mass investment in the Presidents in 2007 and then all the E400's...
Billy X8 is seriously on another planet...
My dates were a bit out, it was 2005-7
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 08:38:59 PM
Now the fleet is starting to look good, the aim is now to have the presentation perfect. That will be impossible to achieve with the current passenger base, but each engineering manager will get a list of buses noticed by staff, passengers who complain, or enthusiasts posting on the oddities page, which is why that thread needs to be just genuine oddities once a month and expected to get them sorted.
This includes
Fleetnames etc on the outside
Seat backs, etched windows, wrong or damaged seatbacks or poles. Incorrect seat covers on the inside.
Things like missing route branding will also be fixed now, but replacements have to be ordered and fitted by a contractor, so will take a little longer to fix
I know your a sticker for the rules
@Stu and there is a Blackheath connection thank goodness I too regularly use the YW2 go home on the 18 and cough ahem 002 / 4H as one of our biggest clients who I always insist on visiting lives in walking distance of Birmingham Corporations Yardley Wood Cathedral a joy to pray outside and view the papal gems inside.................
@Tony, will Walsall's Urban 1's be getting anything done or will they be left as they are?
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 08:49:42 PM
@Tony, will Walsall's Urban 1's be getting anything done or will they be left as they are?
The aim is to have every vehicle in the fleet as Euro 6 (or better) by June 2021, so it depends if they get replaced before then
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 09:00:31 PM
The aim is to have every vehicle in the fleet as Euro 6 (or better) by June 2021, so it depends if they get replaced before then
It will be a shame if they do go by then, they still look fresh from the paintshop, these and the Omnilinks are the only decent Single Deckers left with NX...
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 09:41:36 PM
It will be a shame if they do go by then, they still look fresh from the paintshop, these and the Omnilinks are the only decent Single Deckers left with NX...
I don't understand e200s at all. How have they got worse as they Years have gone by. I travelled on 30929 and it was pretty much perfect in every way. Then you get the rattle boxes on the 19. I avoid the 19 at all costs because of the atrocious vehicles they put on there. It seems early e200as are built far better Than the later ones
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 17, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
I don't understand e200s at all. How have they got worse as they Years have gone by. I travelled on 30929 and it was pretty much perfect in every way. Then you get the rattle boxes on the 19. I avoid the 19 at all costs because of the atrocious vehicles they put on there. It seems early e200as are built far better Than the later ones
I haven't ridden an NX E200 for over a year now, 30929 is a rattlebox and is dreadful. Dart E200's are the worse ones you can get. The ex-Central ones was good but they've been wrecked, 30977 sounds like a drill when at speed, and by drill I don't mean the drill sound the later NX ones have.
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 09:51:34 PM
I haven't ridden an NX E200 for over a year now, 30929 is a rattlebox and is dreadful. Dart E200's are the worse ones you can get. The ex-Central ones was good but they've been wrecked, 30977 sounds like a drill when at speed, and by drill I don't mean the drill sound the later NX ones have.
I was on an NXWM one yesterday on the PN24 & to be honest I half expected it to collapse like a clowns car at a circus with just the driver left holding the steering wheel now that would be a sight in Siviters Lane the last time anything remotly similar happened was when the Nazis decided to drop a bomb on T W Lench and blew up the tennis courts instead!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 10:49:56 PM
I was on an NXWM one yesterday on the PN24 & to be honest I half expected it to collapse like a clowns car at a circus with just the driver left holding the steering wheel now that would be a sight in Siviters Lane the last time anything remotly similar happened was when the Nazis decided to drop a bomb on T W Lench and blew up the tennis courts instead!
I'm sure the residents on Siviters Lane and the Ross would have a sight to see there...
Quote from: Stu on January 17, 2020, 08:36:45 PM
I will agree with your points, but please remember that the vast majority of bus passengers are not 'enthusiasts'.
Non-enthusiast passengers like myself just want a clean, comfortable bus that will take them where they need to go.
On the services I regularly use, the 2 and 3 (YW), the buses are mostly battered old Tridents with grubby interiors and worn seats. I don't really care myself about this, as long as I can get a seat and get to and from work, I don't mind really. But when a Platinum does turn up on these routes, I consider it a 'rare treat'. From a non-enthusiast passenger perspective, they are perceived as 'nice buses'.
Of course when I lived in South Yardley, I regularly travelled on the Platinum X1 and X2 services, so I was spoilt for a couple of years...
But please lets not start the whole "which gearbox is better" debate again...
Sorry just switched my phone back.on the get PN14 home and realised I had posted this wrongly:
I know your a sticker for the rules
@Stu and there is a Blackheath connection thank goodness I too regularly use the YW2 go home on the 18 and cough ahem 002 / 4H as one of our biggest clients who I always insist on visiting lives in walking distance of Birmingham Corporations Yardley Wood Cathedral a joy to pray outside and view the papal gems inside.................
Quote from: Jack on January 17, 2020, 10:54:07 PM
I'm sure the residents on Siviters Lane and the Ross would have a sight to see there...
Well my late mum was playing on the tennis courts at time the Nazi bomb was dropped and watched the bomb land thankfully it didnt explode fully or you wouldnt have pearls of bus wisdom on the forum today from me the uxb squad disarmed it while at time just an hourly Midland Red 123 served Powke Lane funny enough my mum voted to leave the EU in 2016 she never did trust the Germans and was very reluctant to use Arriva.
Excellent service tonight from West Midlands Travel 14 departs from.Halesowen to Blackheath smack on time as ever mind you it would wouldnt it as it has an excellent pedigree as
@Tony kindly pointed out a few days ago its on the 140 registeration so you wouldnt expect anything less would you from the 14(0)?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 10:49:56 PM
I was on an NXWM one yesterday on the PN24 & to be honest I half expected it to collapse like a clowns car at a circus with just the driver left holding the steering wheel now that would be a sight in Siviters Lane the last time anything remotly similar happened was when the Nazis decided to drop a bomb on T W Lench and blew up the tennis courts instead!
That bus would have had a Driver trained and developed among the highest standards in the industry keeping the residents of blackheath safe, a euro 6 upgrade helping the residents of blackheath breath easy and multiple cctv cameras preserving evidence should anything unfortunate happen to you guessed it a blackheath resident.
Does your preferred Sandwell operator have any of those as standard fitted / utilised on / to their fleet ?
It's a rhetorical question.
Quote from: richie on January 17, 2020, 11:30:30 PM
That bus would have had a Driver trained and developed among the highest standards in the industry keeping the residents of blackheath safe, a euro 6 upgrade helping the residents of blackheath breath easy and multiple cctv cameras preserving evidence should anything unfortunate happen to you guessed it a blackheath resident.
Does your preferred Sandwell operator have any of those as standard fitted / utilised on / to their fleet ?
It's a rhetorical question.
As Diamond Buses are so well maintained and of such a better standard when Diamond held the contract for the 24 the matter would never have arisen so your point is worthless I always felt safe on the Diamond 24 yesterday I wondered should I ring my parish priest to come out to perform the last rites I always keep him on Speed Dial 6 on my smartphone its easy to remember 6(66) thats popular in the church, in case he is needed when I am on West Midlands Travel Limited and as the next highest point to St Giles Church are the Russian Ural Mountains I doubt if air quality is at top of Siviters Lane residents worries.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 06:51:07 PM
I am.not sure how using London Buses for 5 years 3 days a week how on earth I could be described as silly and ill informed as I never used the underground or trains once it was 100% bus all the way with my annual TfL.Oyster Bus Pass is there anyone one the forum who has used TfL Buses more than me I would welcome thier conscrutive opinions rather than personal attacks and yes I really did used to stay 3 days a week in where else Blackheath South London so we are not off thread.
Maybe you took the wrong travel option - Blackheath to London Bridge by class 465 (now 700 Thameslink as well) and Jubilee Line to Westminster. Far quicker and more reliable than bus in that instance as South London's roads are quite seriously congested in that area especially in the peak as the main routes are A2 and A20, both affected by traffic avoiding Blackwall Tunnel queuing.
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 01:53:27 AM
Maybe you took the wrong travel option - Blackheath to London Bridge by class 465 (now 700 Thameslink as well) and Jubilee Line to Westminster. Far quicker and more reliable than bus in that instance as South London's roads are quite seriously congested in that area especially in the peak as the main routes are A2 and A20, both affected by traffic avoiding Blackwall Tunnel queuing.
I dont understand your concept of your travel suggestion I used to walk across Greenwich Park to the 53 Terminus and change onto the 453 at Depford and get off in Parlament Square it was usually about two hours in the peaks it was perfect if you have ever read any of my previous posts and read about my passion for buses why in gods name would I ever board a train? If I left my cousins flat at 0730 I was always in for 1000 so your point is?
My compliments to
@Tony this morning absolutely charming lady driver of scania 1889 on NXWM 4H who wished me a very cherry good morning and thank you when using my Nbus Pass as I stood dripping on her platform after my lane swimming I really must start getting changed when I come out the baths.............
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 11:38:40 PM
Diamond Buses are so well maintained
Back before the 002 got an upgrade, half of the buses on there had their diesel flaps open and the destination displays were always too high!
Quote from: mesub on January 18, 2020, 12:36:58 PM
Back before the 002 got an upgrade, half of the buses on there had their diesel flaps open and the destination display were always too high!
Mate this holds me and Diamond Bus to perspective after my regular lane swimming in the showers afterwards I have long come to the conclusion that half of us have our diesel flaps open the half have them shut depending on religion and medical needs and most definitely size does not matter I can assure you I apply the same principles to Diamond Bus!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 17, 2020, 11:38:40 PM
As Diamond Buses are so well maintained and of such a better standard when Diamond held the contract for the 24 the matter would never have arisen so your point is worthless I always felt safe on the Diamond 24 yesterday I wondered should I ring my parish priest to come out to perform the last rites I always keep him on Speed Dial 6 on my smartphone its easy to remember 6(66) thats popular in the church, in case he is needed when I am on West Midlands Travel Limited and as the next highest point to St Giles Church are the Russian Ural Mountains I doubt if air quality is at top of Siviters Lane residents worries.
I was on a Hanson's 250 yesterday?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 18, 2020, 01:53:52 PM
I was on a Hanson's 250 yesterday?
Excellent every little helps for the profitability of Diamond Buses Limited
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 04:55:13 AM
If I left my cousins flat at 0730 I was always in for 1000 so your point is?
The train journey from either Maze Hill or Bkackheath to Charing Cross is about 35 mins - even allowing for a 15 min walk at each end that is a saving of about 90 mins :-\
The downside is if one loves buses enough to spend an extra 3 hrs a day travelling in them, when they are stationary or walking pace (in this case) for longer than they are moving, then the quicker option may not be the best. The slow option (at current fares) is about £3 a day against £9 a day plus by rail/tube.
I'd wager you may not typify most passengers doing that journey (including me, my daughter and her partner - they used to live in Blackheath and work in the City.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 02:30:40 PM
Excellent every little helps for the profitability of Diamond Buses Limited
Helps to pay back their AIM backers :) or not dependent on how good they and their 20 double deckers really are!!
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Helps to pay back their AIM backers :) or not dependent on how good they and their 20 double deckers really are!!
20 double deckers?? Errrr Bolton....
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Helps to pay back their AIM backers :) or not dependent on how good they and their 20 double deckers really are!!
The alternative investment market works on the same principles as the stock market dividends are paid for investors it is up to the PLC in this case Rotala and to decide their future share capital in consultation with shareholders at AGMS I do not understand your term "pay back their AIM bakers" as I am one of them and are am NOT expecting to be paid back as it would be against stock exchange rules I will just realise my investment when it matures in the normal economic cycle of the company.
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 03:24:09 PM
The train journey from either Maze Hill or Bkackheath to Charing Cross is about 35 mins - even allowing for a 15 min walk at each end that is a saving of about 90 mins :-\
The downside is if one loves buses enough to spend an extra 3 hrs a day travelling in them, when they are stationary or walking pace (in this case) for longer than they are moving, then the quicker option may not be the best. The slow option (at current fares) is about £3 a day against £9 a day plus by rail/tube.
I'd wager you may not typify most passengers doing that journey (including me, my daughter and her partner - they used to live in Blackheath and work in the City.
I enjoyed using the TfL 53/453
@don and for the record I worked in Whitehall not The City and am not the slightest bit interested in the cost I dont need too anyway if its any of your business which why I use a Network NBus Monthly Direct Debit ticket today. I cannot understand someone criticising something someone enjoyed so much I am not frogmarching commuters onto buses its a personal choice it just seems to be typical that everyone else knows best on this forum but the person actually doing it. I have posted previously on this forum I enjoyed every minuet of my time in Whitehall especially using the buses I used in London there are times on this forum I wonder am I the only person who loves using buses..............................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 04:42:28 PM
I do not understand your term "pay back their AIM bakers" as I am one of them and are am NOT expecting to be paid back as it would be against stock exchange rules
This is an interesting revelation given your ongoing complaints about and dissing of one of their competitors, NXWM. Presumably they can pay dividends if they're successful enough?
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 04:51:12 PM
This is an interesting revelation given your ongoing complaints about and dissing of one of their competitors, NXWM. Presumably they can pay dividends if they're successful enough?
Rotala PLC accounts can and details of dividend payments can be freely downloaded from the corporate section of the PLC website. I do not "diss" West Midlands Travel Limited I make constructive comments and observations based on using the company as I did this morning and praised
@Tony for the journey I undertook.
Quote from: Winston on January 18, 2020, 03:29:58 PM
20 double deckers?? Errrr Bolton....
Sorry I was only thinking about the new ones they've bought for Bolton, plus existing Redditch. How many have they got countrywide (not that that would matter in respect of the West Midlands as if they moved any of these they'd no doubt be affecting existing customers negatively (which I'm sure such a principled and first class operator like Diamond/Rotala would NEVER do). I've just read in Buses magazine they've bought even more bread van boneshakers for Tividale :-X :-[
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 04:56:20 PM
Sorry I was only thinking about the new ones they've bought for Bolton, plus Reading. How many have they got countrywide (not that that would matter in respect of the West Midlands as if they moved any of these they'd no doubt be affecting existing customers negatively (which I'm sure such a principled and first class operator like Diamond/Rotala would NEVER do). I've just read in Buses magazine they've bought even more bread van boneshakers for Tividale :-X :-[
Excellent news the more Mellors the better, great little bus on Blackheaths 231 and a credit to Diamond Bus offering brand new buses on a local tendered route I doubt that happens anywhere else in the UK.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 02:30:40 PM
Excellent every little helps for the profitability of Diamond Buses Limited
Clearly missing his point that it was a Hansons bus....
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 04:58:23 PM
Excellent news the more Mellors the better, great little bus on Blackheaths 231 and a credit to Diamond Bus offering brand new buses on a local tendered route I doubt that happens anywhere else in the UK.
Of course it happens all over the UK, when a tendered service is specified to have new buses new buses will be used....
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
I enjoyed using the TfL 53/453 @donthere are times on this forum I wonder am I the only person who loves using buses..............................
I think you may have misconstrued and I think there are lots of bus fans on this forum - in fact why would they be here otherwise - I certainly do but am not only a bus enthusiast, but also a rail enthusiast, and a Transportation Professional (so take a very broad view, including private car and freight). You asked me what the point of my comment about the London journey you quoted was and I've told you. I know lots of people who prefer to take a bus, and vice versa. It is their decision, as was yours to take the bus - not a problem for me if that's the decision they make.
Quote from: Kevin on January 18, 2020, 05:04:28 PM
Clearly missing his point that it was a Hansons bus....
Of course it happens all over the UK, when a tendered service is specified to have new buses new buses will be used....
I think if you check on Hanson Limited at Companies House there is so such thing as a "Hansons" Bus the point is bus is owned by Diamond Buses Limited whatever anyone may think to the contrary on this forum and
@Kevin when Diamond Bus was rewarded the TfWM contract for the 231 it was on the basis of brand new buses the Mellors being procured for the service please substainsate your comment
Of course it happens all over the UK, when a tendered service is specified to have new buses new buses will be used..by providing outside London of:
1. The Tendering Authority
2. The buses that were s
pecifically ordered specifically for the contract - not diverted or cascaded
3. The service they are operated on
4. If the service is operated 6 days a week.
Not including other TfWM ContractorsI am sure we all look forward to your reply
@Kevin ?
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 05:08:27 PM
I think you may have misconstrued and I think there are lots of bus fans on this forum - in fact why would they be here otherwise - I certainly do but am not only a bus enthusiast, but also a rail enthusiast, and a Transportation Professional (so take a very broad view, including private car and freight). You asked me what the point of my comment about the London journey you quoted was and I've told you. I know lots of people who prefer to take a bus, and vice versa. It is their decision, as was yours to take the bus - not a problem for me if that's the decision they make.
I certainly don't remember asking for your point of view on any bus journey I have ever made or will ever make I commented on a journey I enjoyed every day and it was you who made the comment that I may have chosen the wrong travel option why when I have made it clear I only use buses you would suggest a train journey is beyond me and then it was you who came up with this frankly stupid idea of using a train from Blackheath to Whitehall I just expanded on the journey I enjoyed on the 53/453 frankly i would never be seen dead on a train so why you thought your journeys comments would be of a relevance to me is unbelievable I couldn't care less what you or other people think of me or my love of bus journeys or I wouldnt still be enjoying my buses after 51 years I have no idea where you got that from I couldn't care a toss what anyone thinks of me and my buses but I don't like criticism from others who do not use buses 7 days a week 364 days a year as I do and just post on this forum to criticize others.
Diamond Tividale have 7 new ones. My concern is:-
1) they'll almost certainly turn up (when not required on the allocated service and for engineering/operational convenience) on unsuitable routes (eg 4H).
2) They are less suitable than a short E200 or Solo for many users.
3) They seem to be bargain basement (as have minibuses since popularisation in the mid 80s) beloved of companies like Stagecoach (Sir Brian himself has waxed very lyrically and quite recently about Mercedes minibuses for cost and engineering reasons - notably not customer satisfaction) - so if anything is a cash cow these may be it. After introducing them on a wide basis in Ashford a couple of years ago, Stagecoach has now seen sense and replaced many with 'proper' buses!!
I worry this will be a creeping epidemic!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
I think if you check on Hanson Limited at Companies House there is so such thing as a "Hansons" Bus the point is bus is owned by Diamond Buses Limited whatever anyone may think to the contrary on this forum and @Kevin when Diamond Bus was rewarded the TfWM contract for the 231 it was on the basis of brand new buses the Mellors being procured for the service please substainsate your comment
Of course it happens all over the UK, when a tendered service is specified to have new buses new buses will be used..
by providing outside London of:
1. The Tendering Authority
2. The buses that were specifically ordered specifically for the contract - not diverted or cascaded
3. The service they are operated on
4. If the service is operated 6 days a week.
Not including other TfWM Contractors
I am sure we all look forward to your reply @Kevin ?
Kev's cars bought new buses for some contracts, so did claribels with the 424 and 604 and landflight
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 05:38:00 PM
Diamond Tividale have 7 new ones. My concern is:-
1) they'll almost certainly turn up (when not required on the allocated service and for engineering/operational convenience) on unsuitable routes (eg 4H).
2) They are less suitable than a short E200 or Solo for many users.
3) They seem to be bargain basement (as have minibuses since popularisation in the mid 80s) beloved of companies like Stagecoach (Sir Brian himself has waxed very lyrical about Mercedes minibuses for cost and engineering reasons - notable not customer satisfaction) - so if anything is a cash cow these may be it.
I worry this will be a creeping epidemic!!
The bus supplied by the operator has to meet the requirements of the tendering authority for which the contract is awarded.
Quote from: Lukeee on January 18, 2020, 05:39:00 PM
Kev's cars bought new buses for some contracts, so did claribels with the 424 and 604 and landflight
Did you not read my post
@Lukeee :
"Not including other TfWM Contractors"
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 05:40:07 PM
The bus supplied by the operator has to meet the requirements of the tendering authority for which the contract is awarded.
Well if the tender allows these abominations, maybe the tendering authority should look to closing loopholes!! Is there sensible luggage space and wheelchair space on them?
Quote from: don on January 18, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
Well if the tender allows these abominations, maybe the tendering authority should look to closing loopholes!! Is there sensible luggage space and wheelchair space on them?
I have no problem with a Mellor on the 4H
@don .As a council tax payer I welcome any authority that maintains a vital service in today's cash strapped times and a lovely lady In Woodbury Ave who used to be in the Hurst Green townswomen's guild with my late Aunty seems to have little problem getting herself and her wheelchair onto the 231 to do her shopping in Asda in Halesowen and has nothing but praise for the service again
@don this is an example of someone actually using the bus service and appreciating it. Oh and she is 86 the same age my Aunty would have been as they went to school together. The downside she talks to me on the bus as if I was still 11.....
Just to clarify something before anyone else does I posted to
@Tony a point about Clapham Junction and said I stayed close by this was for my work I undertook in.London post 2016 as I stopped staying with my cousin and his partner in Blackheath in respect of them having started a family after having the sack from my regular job in 2016.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
I think if you check on Hanson Limited at Companies House there is so such thing as a "Hansons" Bus the point is bus is owned by Diamond Buses Limited whatever anyone may think to the contrary on this forum and @Kevin when Diamond Bus was rewarded the TfWM contract for the 231 it was on the basis of brand new buses the Mellors being procured for the service please substainsate your comment
Of course it happens all over the UK, when a tendered service is specified to have new buses new buses will be used..
by providing outside London of:
1. The Tendering Authority
2. The buses that were specifically ordered specifically for the contract - not diverted or cascaded
3. The service they are operated on
4. If the service is operated 6 days a week.
Not including other TfWM Contractors
I am sure we all look forward to your reply @Kevin ?
And how long has Diamond been in ownership of Hanson's YET IN 2020 they are still sporting the old livery!
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 18, 2020, 08:18:26 PM
And how long has Diamond been in ownership of Hanson's YET IN 2020 they are still sporting the old livery!
Personally as an accountant I would look at the Net Book Value of the buses and take a decision is it worth repainting to be honest I would say no especially the ones branded for the 228 its just hard economics.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 08:21:49 PM
Personally as an accountant I would look at the Net Book Value of the buses and take a decision is it worth repainting to be honest I would say no especially the ones branded for the 228 its just hard economics.
So the 228 buses are 15/65 plates not even 5 years old are not worth repainting?!?! Yet diamond are repainting buses older than that?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 18, 2020, 09:21:30 PM
So the 228 buses are 15/65 plates not even 5 years old are not worth repainting?!?! Yet diamond are repainting buses older than that?
It depends on the Net Book Value of the bus I would repaint an 09 plate B7 into the new diamonds livery rather than a 15 plate E200 because the asset life is deemed to longer its just how accountants look at an asset an 09 B7 is worth more on the Balance Sheet than a 15 plate E200 that has most likley under current rules been fully written down whereas the B7 wouldnt be I am not saying ideally that is right with my bus enthusiast hat on but its right with my accountants hat on.
@Dom One of my roles was to oversee the vehicle maintenance schedules when I worked at Midland Red West so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 19, 2020, 12:16:45 PM
"Are you a qualified engineer aswell now?
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@don One of my roles was to oversee the vehicle maintenance schedules when I worked at Midland Red West so I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.
@richardjones210368, that post was made by
@Dom not me. Easy mistake to make and an apology would be accepted ;)
Ps if you're worried about maintenance you could report the matter to the TC. However if it's just rattling from an E200 cab door (and farebox) I suspect it's not a reportable issue. Wait till those Diamond Mellors are 8 yrs old like NXWM 731-733!
Quote from: don on January 19, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
@richardjones210368, that post was made by @Dom not me. Easy mistake to make and an apology would be accepted ;)
Ps if you're worried about maintenance you could report the matter to the TC. However if it's just rattling from an E200 cab door (and farebox) I suspect it's not a reportable issue. Wait till those Diamond Mellors are 8 yrs old like NXWM 731-733!
I would be very surprised if any operator including Diamond wasn't working on the basis that Mellors aren't life expired by the time they are 8 years old and depreciating them accordingly
An E200 is expected to have a life of around 15 years. They are not fully depreciated after 5years.
Quote from: don on January 19, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
@richardjones210368, that post was made by @Dom not me. Easy mistake to make and an apology would be accepted ;)
Ps if you're worried about maintenance you could report the matter to the TC. However if it's just rattling from an E200 cab door (and farebox) I suspect it's not a reportable issue. Wait till those Diamond Mellors are 8 yrs old like NXWM 731-733!
Sorry about that
@don please accept my fullest apologies no offense intended a genuine mistake I am more than happy to apologise for and have no fear the receptionist at the traffic commissioners by my office says I deserve a tesco style loyalty card for the time I spend in there and as for the Mellors the Merc 609s and 709s had an expected life of 8 years I drove on relief at Midland Red West just remind how long they actually lasted?
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
An E200 is expected to have a life of around 15 years. They are not fully depreciated after 5years.
Yes and no it depends what accountancy method is used some AIM assets are depreciated within 12 months on paper under FRS1 others are depreciated over a longer life expectancy it is up to the operator to chose the method adopted on its CT600 frankly I would write the batch off for scrap on the Balance Sheet and claim a loss to be carried forward against ACT to get rid of the wreaks.
Quote from: metrocity on January 19, 2020, 04:58:04 PM
I would be very surprised if any operator including Diamond wasn't working on the basis that Mellors aren't life expired by the time they are 8 years old and depreciating them accordingly
Not sure where that would have left the Merc 609 and 709s I drove for Midland Red West!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 19, 2020, 07:23:20 PM
Not sure where that would have left the Merc 608 and 708s I drove for Midland Red West!
I suspect they were far cheaper than a Mellor !!
Quote from: metrocity on January 19, 2020, 07:47:46 PM
I suspect they were far cheaper than a Mellor !!
Great little buses I loved them especially thrashing one up Turners Hill on a Kiddy 209 when doing a MRW relief on a Sunday afternoon I am sure there was a gear somewhere for the Rowley Hills I never found it usually had a trail of black smoke emitting but if you gross up the asset value I reckon in real terms there wouldn't be that much difference from a Mellor to a Beaver to be honest.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 19, 2020, 07:58:49 PM
Great little buses I loved them especially thrashing one up Turners Hill on a Kiddy 209 when doing a MRW relief on a Sunday afternoon I am sure there was a gear somewhere for the Rowley Hills I never found it usually had a trail of black smoke emitting but if you gross up the asset value I reckon in real terms there wouldn't be that much difference from a Mellor to a Beaver to be honest.
I'm not sure how much a Beaver used to cost but I'm led to believe about £115K for a Mellor? Not much cheaper than an SWB E200
Might be an unpopular opinion but does anyone else find the mellor a rough ride... Was on one the other day on the 74A and sat over the rear wheels.... Needless to say my back wasn't impressed.
Quote from: metrocity on January 19, 2020, 08:06:07 PM
I'm not sure how much a Beaver used to cost but I'm led to believe about £115K for a Mellor? Not much cheaper than an SWB E200
Yes that's about right for a Mellor I think in 1996 the Beavers were about £18000 each so if you uprate it by RPI it's not far off today's Mellors cost only by about £19000 I think I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong the difference is the fuel consumption between a Mellor & E200.
Quote from: danny on January 19, 2020, 08:18:24 PM
Might be an unpopular opinion but does anyone else find the mellor a rough ride... Was on one the other day on the 74A and sat over the rear wheels.... Needless to say my back wasn't impressed.
Love them on the 231 I am 6ft 1ins & built like a navvy because of swimming and have no probs with them enjoying the road holding abilities much prefer them to a short E200 which are horrid little buses
Re: VERY Late running services
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Quote from: OH25 on Yesterday at 11:25:08 PM
Around 22:50 there was two X8's by Quinton Stag both heading for Wolverhampton
That is not a surprise is it on such a rottern totally incomptent bus route run by on operator not fit for purpose I once had the last X8 on Sunday due at 23.57 at The Stag 90mins late yes 90mins late after coming out of The Stag Sizzler how anyone can defend the X8 on this forum is beyond me! well
@Tony and other WN staff what's your latest excuse for this observation it looks to me total incompetence from your so called bus company? Ha Ha bus company I do like a good laugh- How much longer must Blackheath put up with this total incompetence for the good people of Blackheath it's no laughing matter.perhaps the answer is to put a clapped out old Trident on the route in a stupid forgotten livery no one bothers about that will do nicely wont it well thats the answer from West Midlands Travel isnt it?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 01:28:40 AM
How much longer must Blackheath put up with this total incompetence for the good people of Blackheath it's no laughing matter.perhaps the answer is to put a clapped out old Trident on the route in a stupid forgotten livery no one bothers about that will do nicely wont it well thats the answer from West Midlands Travel isnt it?
With all your knowledge and experience, I think you'd be very successful if you were to start your own bus company up.
The "Blackheath Bus Company" would no doubt serve the people of Blackheath very well; you could compete against the 'not fit for purpose' NX Bus, as everyone would be eager to use your services that are always on time and never delayed.
Come on please, make it happen in 2020, then maybe you can give your ranting against 'West Midlands Travel' a rest for a while...
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 06:58:01 AM
With all your knowledge and experience, I think you'd be very successful if you were to start your own bus company up.
The "Blackheath Bus Company" would no doubt serve the people of Blackheath very well; you could compete against the 'not fit for purpose' NX Bus, as everyone would be eager to use your services that are always on time and never delayed.
Come on please, make it happen in 2020, then maybe you can give your ranting against 'West Midlands Travel' a rest for a while...
Blackheath has excellent reliable service from Rotala and needs no competition from me and my days of working at a bus company are long over mind you Midland Red West were a very successful bus company at the enjoyable time I had there so been there done that got the t shirt funny enough I still have the t shirt with good old Wyvern on it think he is now doing Christmas Ads for John Lewis but remember a poster; not me; on here last night proved yet again what an complete bunch of idiots they are at West Midlands Travel PN with 2 X8's observed together on a Sunday Evening at The Stag if proved correct its proof of an utterly pathetic performance from a bus company not fit for purpose West Midlands Travel Limited should ashamed of the disgracefull bus service it operates in Blackheath if the observation is proved wrong then Blackheath was benefiting from an unusually good level of level of service from the company.
WYVERNS CURRENT JOB AFTER BEING SACKED FROM MIDLAND RED WEST ON 26TH MARCH 1999:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9D-uvKih_k
I have updated this thread with the up to date details of former Midland Red West employee and dragon Wyverns current employment after he left the company in March 1999. In the above post he is playing the role of Edgar for John Lewis.
Just on one of Geoffs Versas on the 4H they really are nippy buses cannot fault NXWM 4H & 19 to the QE This Afternoon and back to Halesowen excellent service even I can't find in any fault in today's service...............
Wyvern was great to work with at Midland Red West we were very much the same person in spirit he really was how he appears in the advert with his fire breathing we had a fire with a Midland Red Coaches Leyland Tiger officially it was an electrical fire however my own thoughts were as Wyvern was wondering around Padmore Street yard that night that...........
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 07:22:00 AM
...but remember a poster; not me; on here last night proved yet again what an complete bunch of idiots they are at West Midlands Travel PN with 2 X8's observed together on a Sunday Evening at The Stag if proved correct its proof of an utterly pathetic performance from a bus company not fit for purpose West Midlands Travel Limited should ashamed of the disgracefull bus service it operates in Blackheath if the observation is proved wrong then Blackheath was benefiting from an unusually good level of level of service from the company.
@richardjones210368 Yes, it was someone else who observed that two X8 buses were following each other yesterday evening, but it was also pointed out by another poster that there had been an event at Arena Birmingham (or the NIA for those who still refer to it as that!) that evening. With all the roadworks and diversions in place at the moment, this causes huge strain on the surrounding roads as people in cars drive to and from the car parks at the Arena, and this is why bus services normally get diverted (from their diversion).
I don't know exactly what happened in this situation and there could be any number of permutations - driver missing a call to go on diversion, disruptive passengers, traffic incident etc - it could be the case that NX Bus were at fault somehow, or there could have been circumstances beyond their control which caused that journey to be delayed.
I'm pretty sure that on Sunday there were hundreds of bus journeys that ran on time or within acceptable standards, so to claim that one observed late running journey demonstrates "utterly pathetic performance" from a "not fit for purpose" bus operator providing a "disgraceful service" is a bit much really.
Your postings in this forum are getting on a lot of peoples' nerves, and we have had numerous complaints. I myself am fairly tolerant of people, and I am passionate about freedom of speech and freedom of expression, so I am not one to go start banning people just because I don't agree with their opinion.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, and are free to express it. But I am asking you politely to stop your incessant ranting and rambling, which is proving really annoying to other members and is disrupting the general atmosphere of this forum, and if you really do feel that NX West Midlands is providing an "utterly pathetic performance", please start documenting your observations and present your evidence in a more constructive manner.
I will of course also take the opportunity to remind ALL members of the
Forum Rules (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0) which have been updated as of yesterday.
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
@richardjones210368 Yes, it was someone else who observed that two X8 buses were following each other yesterday evening, but it was also pointed out by another poster that there had been an event at Arena Birmingham (or the NIA for those who still refer to it as that!) that evening. With all the roadworks and diversions in place at the moment, this causes huge strain on the surrounding roads as people in cars drive to and from the car parks at the Arena, and this is why bus services normally get diverted (from their diversion).
I don't know exactly what happened in this situation and there could be any number of permutations - driver missing a call to go on diversion, disruptive passengers, traffic incident etc - it could be the case that NX Bus were at fault somehow, or there could have been circumstances beyond their control which caused that journey to be delayed.
I'm pretty sure that on Sunday there were hundreds of bus journeys that ran on time or within acceptable standards, so to claim that one observed late running journey demonstrates "utterly pathetic performance" from a "not fit for purpose" bus operator providing a "disgraceful service" is a bit much really.
Your postings in this forum are getting on a lot of peoples' nerves, and we have had numerous complaints. I myself am fairly tolerant of people, and I am passionate about freedom of speech and freedom of expression, so I am not one to go start banning people just because I don't agree with their opinion.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, and are free to express it. But I am asking you politely to stop your incessant ranting and rambling, which is proving really annoying to other members and is disrupting the general atmosphere of this forum, and if you really do feel that NX West Midlands is providing an "utterly pathetic performance", please start documenting your observations and present your evidence in a more constructive manner.
I will of course also take the opportunity to remind ALL members of the Forum Rules (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0) which have been updated as of yesterday.
That is utter rubbish
@Stu beside using the 140 late at night from the office when events were on at the NIA I find your comments highly insulting and personally so stupid they are laughable using the NIA and redevelopments is no excuse at all I have worked in Brum 22 years and there is always some disruption going on for some building works on Broad Street it shows how you belittle my intelligence with comments such as that that is just you trying to make excuse to other posters who do not like to hear the truth about the X8 I have no complaints at all about the NXWM 13A
@Stu additionally I have been to see numerous concerts with my mates to see A/ha , Pet Shop Boys, Human League, Simply Red, Culture Club, ABC etc the Premiership Darts etc at the NIA most weeks on the 140 and never was the service ever disrupted so I will not accept that as an excuse for any delay on the X8 it is simply the incompetent operations of West Midlands Travel Limited at PN and if you want to ban me for telling the truth about me using a bus I normally use 7 days a week usually that's fine I am not going to change my comments about a rotten bus service. I am not using it daily at moment because I am having my latest cancer treatment that's fine if others don't like the truth tough but I will not stop my comments about the X8 while the service is the incompetent shambles I have today praised West Midlands Travel Limited for the excellent service I have used on the 4H and 19 to and from the QE I have no complaints and posted praise so if you want to ban me ban me it's the forums loss on my insider's knowledge on the mayor. Fighting my latest cancer battle I really have other priorities than the feelings of posters who never use the X8 don't have any idea what they replaced the 140 with and look from afar so ban me
@Stu ! By the way do you remember Wyvern The Dragon at Midland Red West he was very popular in his day and we had Yellow Wyvern T Shirts, Little cuddley Wyvern toys, keyrings and Wyvern himself used to join passengers at Bus Stations, Worcs Xmas Markers, Hospices , Malvern Steam Fairs etc it was so sad when he was sacked from what become First Midland Red but great to see him back on the John Lewis Christmas Advert anyway if you want to ban me ban me simply for telling the truth about X8 very democratic I am sure. My lane swimming keeps me fit to fight my cancer I use the bus for that as I do 7 days a week 364 days a year other than when i am too ill to use it and I depend on my 85 year dad or partner so if people don't like me for my opinions ban me I have harder battles to fight that the armchair bus users who jump in their cars on your excellent forum. I am not going to change how I post I am a political veteran used to the rough and tumble of debate and take great offense of you asking me to be more constructive when I am giving my views from the heart I am not going to change ask anyone who knows me what you see is what you get so its up to you
@Stu
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 06:57:59 PM
@richardjones210368 Yes, it was someone else who observed that two X8 buses were following each other yesterday evening, but it was also pointed out by another poster that there had been an event at Arena Birmingham (or the NIA for those who still refer to it as that!) that evening. With all the roadworks and diversions in place at the moment, this causes huge strain on the surrounding roads as people in cars drive to and from the car parks at the Arena, and this is why bus services normally get diverted (from their diversion).
I don't know exactly what happened in this situation and there could be any number of permutations - driver missing a call to go on diversion, disruptive passengers, traffic incident etc - it could be the case that NX Bus were at fault somehow, or there could have been circumstances beyond their control which caused that journey to be delayed.
I'm pretty sure that on Sunday there were hundreds of bus journeys that ran on time or within acceptable standards, so to claim that one observed late running journey demonstrates "utterly pathetic performance" from a "not fit for purpose" bus operator providing a "disgraceful service" is a bit much really.
Your postings in this forum are getting on a lot of peoples' nerves, and we have had numerous complaints. I myself am fairly tolerant of people, and I am passionate about freedom of speech and freedom of expression, so I am not one to go start banning people just because I don't agree with their opinion.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, and are free to express it. But I am asking you politely to stop your incessant ranting and rambling, which is proving really annoying to other members and is disrupting the general atmosphere of this forum, and if you really do feel that NX West Midlands is providing an "utterly pathetic performance", please start documenting your observations and present your evidence in a more constructive manner.
I will of course also take the opportunity to remind ALL members of the Forum Rules (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0) which have been updated as of yesterday.
Or,
@Stu , the original posting could have been complete rubbish. (possibly to wind Mr Jones up)
The X8 is only hourly at that time of night.
The 21:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was 8 minutes late at 21:57 (bus 6780)
The 22:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was exactly on time (bus 6762)
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2020, 07:43:00 PM
Or, @Stu , the original posting could have been complete rubbish. (possibly to wind Mr Jones up)
The X8 is only hourly at that time of night.
The 21:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was 8 minutes late at 21:57 (bus 6780)
The 22:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was exactly on time (bus 6762)
I did say in my post I would withdraw the comment and apologise if the observation was proved to be inaccurate which I am quite happy to do.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 07:25:13 PM
The NIA is no excuse @Stu I have been to see numerous concerts with my mates to see A/ha , Pet Shop Boys, Human League on the 140 and never was the service ever disrupted so I will not accept that as an excuse for any delay on the X8 it is simply the incompetent operations of West Midlands Travel Limited
But you're talkiing about a time before Broad Street was closed off and before Paradise Circus was demolished. Buses never had to travel round by the NIA, and now all vehicles attempting to access the NIA have to use the same roads.
You may find this hard to believe but it is not just the X8 that struggles at time for reliability, but all other Hagley Road bus services, and it probably has something to do with having to use what are essentially back streets between Five Ways and Paradise Circus.
And the reason for all of this... is Andy Street and the WMCA for wanting their Metro tram extended to Edgbaston.
Quote... if you want to ban me ban me it's the forums loss on my insider's knowledge on the mayor.
What insider knowledge? You hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' and 'politically exposed person' and haven't really exposed anything, or presented any insider knowledge to the best of my knowledge.
QuoteFighting my latest cancer battle I really have other priorities than the feelings of posters who never use the X8 dont have any idea what they replaced the 140 with and look from afar!
Well I'm sorry to hear about your cancer battle and I hope it all goes well for you.
QuoteBy the way do you remember Wyvern The Dragon at Midland Red West he was very popular in his day and we had Yellow Wyvern T Shirts, Litlle cuddles Wyvern toys, keyrings and Wyvern himself used to join passengers at Bus Stations, Worcs Xmas Markers, Hospices , Malvern Steam Fairs etc it was so sad when he was sacked from what become First Midland Red but great to see him back on the John Lewis Christmas Advert
To be frankly honest, no I don't remember Wyvern The Dragon, and I don't really care about John Lewis' Christmas adverts.
Quoteanyway if you want to ban me ban me simply for telling the truth about X8 very democratic I am sure.
I have no intention of banning you, not unless you break any of our Forum Rules. If you want to tell the 'truth' about the X8, then please present your evidence constructively and in a professional manner, as I can tell you are a professional person, but the way you are going about things at present is upsetting and annoying other long-standing members of this forum
West Midlands travel pn don't run the X8
Wokverhampton garagec run it
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
But you're talkiing about a time before Broad Street was closed off and before Paradise Circus was demolished. Buses never had to travel round by the NIA, and now all vehicles attempting to access the NIA have to use the same roads.
You may find this hard to believe but it is not just the X8 that struggles at time for reliability, but all other Hagley Road bus services, and it probably has something to do with having to use what are essentially back streets between Five Ways and Paradise Circus.
And the reason for all of this... is Andy Street and the WMCA for wanting their Metro tram extended to Edgbaston.
What insider knowledge? You hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' and 'politically exposed person' and haven't really exposed anything, or presented any insider knowledge to the best of my knowledge.
Well I'm sorry to hear about your cancer battle and I hope it all goes well for you.
To be frankly honest, no I don't remember Wyvern The Dragon, and I don't really care about John Lewis' Christmas adverts.
I have no intention of banning you, not unless you break any of our Forum Rules. If you want to tell the 'truth' about the X8, then please present your evidence constructively and in a professional manner, as I can tell you are a professional person, but the way you are going about things at present is upsetting and annoying other long-standing members of this forum
First of all leave Andy out of this he is one of the most kindest loyalist people you could ever meet and has been of great support to me over my my battles with ill health over the years and this is nothing to do with him frankly
@Stu your reply about construction in Broad Street is simply laughable around five years ago the 140 was being diverted by St Paul's square and Lionel Richie was in concert and the 140 was smack on time I take great offense from you about the my comments not being constructive as I rpide myself of being the ultimate professional how can you be more constructive can you be when the X8 is a rubbish bus service operated by a company that doesn't listen to its passengers and your comment about other Hagley Rd services is just pathetic the 13A is on time most of the time and offers an excellent service to Blackheath so where does that leave your opinion on Hagley Rd services when I am perfectly happy with the quality of service on the 13A? I bet you never use the X8 before you make your comments well I did 5 days a week like I did before my latest treatment plan and perhaps you have not bothered to read some of my posts as some of the information I have shared on this forum I have had cleared by the WMCA before it has been announced as some other posters have privately email me on the forum. Frankly I don't need your false sympathy for my cancer battle I have been fighting it since 2003 and I will fight as long as I can and value the support of those who those who do care including many of my colleagues and frankly can I make it any clearer to you my posts are not going to change in any way what so ever no one will ever tell me what to do just ask any of my colleagues so either put with my comments or ban me because I am not going to change and frankly to be honest I don't care what your opinion is or anyone else's is and what sort of bus enthusiast are you if you have never heard of Midlands Red Wests Wyvern The Dragon it was the companies symbol from 1985 to 1999 so that just shows how much more I know about buses than you do before you start criticizing me therefore either ban me or stop criticising me my posts about the X8 they are not going to change whatever you might want so the choice is yours oh and if you don't ban me I will take that as an acceptance for me to keep attacking West Midlands Travel Limited and its operation of the X8 in the same way I have done since I joined the forum until I get an acceptable improvement on the route so the choice is yours
@Stu
Quote from: karl724223 on January 20, 2020, 08:10:07 PM
West Midlands travel pn don't run the X8
Wokverhampton garagec run it
Yes sorry that's right my mistake apologies PN run the 14 & WN run the X8 sorry I got it wrong
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 08:25:36 PM
...your reply about construction in Broad Street is simply laughable around five years ago the 140 was being diverted by St Paul's square and Lionel Richie was in concert and the 140 was smack on time... and your comment about other Hagley Rd services is just pathetic the 13A is on time most of the time and offers an excellent service to Blackheath so where does that leave your opinion on Hagley Rd services
Granted, I don't use the X8 myself, but I do on occasion on a Sunday use the 12 service when I go and visit my parents, and even on a Sunday, this service sometimes fails to operate on time, but I at least see for myself travelling on it from the city centre to appreciate where it is being held up and why it is happening. And from my own experience, it has been down to delays caused by queuing traffic on Hagley Road towards Five Ways, if the service is late entering the city then it is usually late leaving it. If it is late arriving in Bearwood, then it usually has little chance of making up time then is late arriving in Dudley.
I get around this issue by using the NX Bus app, so at least when I'm ready to leave my parents house on Sunday, I have an idea of when the 12 is going to come, regardless of whether it is late or not.
The truth, whether you choose to accept it or not, is that the Broad Street / Five Ways Metro extension works are causing disruption to all Hagley Road services not just the X8, and in my opinion National Express West Midlands are doing the best they can. My regular local services 2 and 3 run very well and I have very few complaints about them, and you don't see me complaining regularly about the 12 here either.
There's more to life than Blackheath and the X8 you know.
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 08:59:17 PM
Granted, I don't use the X8 myself, but I do on occasion on a Sunday use the 12 service when I go and visit my parents, and even on a Sunday, this service sometimes fails to operate on time, but I at least see for myself travelling on it from the city centre to appreciate where it is being held up and why it is happening. And from my own experience, it has been down to delays caused by queuing traffic on Hagley Road towards Five Ways, if the service is late entering the city then it is usually late leaving it. If it is late arriving in Bearwood, then it usually has little chance of making up time then is late arriving in Dudley.
I get around this issue by using the NX Bus app, so at least when I'm ready to leave my parents house on Sunday, I have an idea of when the 12 is going to come, regardless of whether it is late or not.
The truth, whether you choose to accept it or not, is that the Broad Street / Five Ways Metro extension works are causing disruption to all Hagley Road services not just the X8, and in my opinion National Express West Midlands are doing the best they can. My regular local services 2 and 3 run very well and I have very few complaints about them, and you don't see me complaining regularly about the 12 here either.
There's more to life than Blackheath and the X8 you know.
I use the 2 to Yardley Wood Bus Garage regularly and find it a great little service from Town but prefer the Tridents to the Scannias and have no complaints about YW. I never use the 12(0) so cannot comment on that service I do use the 13A and find it an excellent service and usually on time so why isn't the X8 therefore I cannot accept your comments about Hagley rd/Broad St as being valid as they do not hold up from my personal usage of the routes. It is you
@Stu not telling the truth about Hagley Rd and your ideas about the the Metro Works you and many others on this forum blame everything and everyone except West Midlands Travel so answer me this if the Metro works are causing so much problem and frankly they are not and remember my office is right in front of them and unless you are calling me a liar and if so either prove it or shut up moaning at my comments how does the 13A keep to time you have no answer to that do you you would rather just ramble on about Metro works and simply resort to playground levels and attack my comments instead. Since 1908 the 140/X8 has been the main trunk route through Blackheath so I am not sure what your comment are about the 140, from the City it is Blackheaths main bus service even as the X8 so no as ever in your sad attacks there isnt more to Blackheath than the 140 unless as an expert on Blackheath you can come up with more answers on that one I doubt it though if your other comments are anything to go by. I stand by my comments in my previous post I am not going to accept advice from you or anyone else in my private or professional life to be honest that is just me I am just a little fighter and I will never change my "
incessant ranting and ramblings" whatever you or any other poster say if you do not accept my opinions on West Midlands Travel Limited and the X8 on the forum then either ban me or put up with my comments they are not going to change in any form what so ever for you or anybody else
@Stu the choice is yours?
Oh & this was Wyvern The Dragon:
https://www.google.com/search?q=midland+red+west+symbol&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&source=android-browser&prmd=ismvn&sxsrf=ACYBGNTMyIh87e-AdYbcBSP_RoiM8Phf8Q:1579557038609&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiggMHBlJPnAhWMi1wKHe1uAwUQ_AUoAXoECA8QAQ&biw=412&bih=716&dpr=2.63#imgrc=X1yB5-EjESYvvM
Well with all this complaining about NXWM's short E200s, I actually travelled on the same type of bus today for about 15 mins - not an NXWM one. Now I didn't used to like these but this one was about 4 yrs old and apart from some rattles when it went over poor surfaces, plus a squeaky seat (which stopped when the person sat on it got off the bus), it was a mighty fine vehicle and helped me avoid part of a disrupted train trip home (unfortunately not the other hour and a half disruption to service).
If I used Blackheath's buses I would welcome this type of bus - thankfully the regulator of the service I used doesn't permit the Mellor type vehicle - I'm not sure why - I'm guessing lower capacity can get away with less accessibility and the Regulator doesn't like that.
I can see the point of these Mellor/Mercedes etc vehicles for specialist patient transport and the like which requires low capacity but not for local bus services!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 09:09:57 PM
... It is you @Stu not telling the truth about Hagley Rd and your ideas about the the Metro Works you and many others on this forum blame everything and everyone except West Midlands Travel so answer me this if the Metro works are causing so much problem and frankly they are not and remember my office is right in front of them and unless you are calling me a liar and if so either prove it or shut up moaning at my comments how does the 13A keep to time you have no answer to that do you you would rather just ramble on about Metro works and simply resort to playground levels and attack my comments instead.
Are you genuinely suggesting that massive roadworks on one of the key routes into the city isn't disruptive? And your 13A is never late?
Stu has told you what he's seen with his own eyes on his own travels, so I presume you're calling him a liar
@richardjones210368 can I just pick you up on a point. You said you were on one of geoffs optares, but geoff hasn't owned any optare for over 2 years
Quote from: Kevin on January 21, 2020, 08:00:36 AM
Are you genuinely suggesting that massive roadworks on one of the key routes into the city isn't disruptive? And your 13A is never late?
Stu has told you what he's seen with his own eyes on his own travels, so I presume you're calling him a liar
Yesterday afternoon at 3pm buses were stuck on the hagley road outbound in traffic. I was on a x10 and a 13A was behind, so to say they aren't late is nonsense.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 21, 2020, 08:20:12 AM
Yesterday afternoon at 3pm buses were stuck on the hagley road outbound in traffic. I was on a x10 and a 13A was behind, so to say they aren't late is nonsense.
It certainly isn't nonsense I find the 13A totally reliable on average its rarely late and actually met someone off one last night outside Poundland to go in The Ashley it was smack on time so how do you answer that in terms of reliability? I'm off to get the 10.02 I fully expect it to be on time whatever your comments.
Quote from: Steveminor on January 21, 2020, 08:01:30 AM
@richardjones210368 can I just pick you up on a point. You said you were on one of geoffs optares, but geoff hasn't owned any optare for over 2 years
I am aware Geoff sold his Optares to Rotala isnt everyone but they are currently in Geoffs livery and not that of the current operator so to me personally they are still Geoffs Optares perhaps in spirit only a much missed member of the bus world.
Quote from: Kevin on January 21, 2020, 08:00:36 AM
Are you genuinely suggesting that massive roadworks on one of the key routes into the city isn't disruptive? And your 13A is never late?
Stu has told you what he's seen with his own eyes on his own travels, so I presume you're calling him a liar
Yes @Kevin the is exactly what I am suggesting about the roadworks I use the 13A
@Stu doesnt.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 21, 2020, 08:20:12 AM
Yesterday afternoon at 3pm buses were stuck on the hagley road outbound in traffic. I was on a x10 and a 13A was behind, so to say they aren't late is nonsense.
I presume
@Trident 4194 its utter
nonsense that the 13A I am on has just left smack on time at 10.03 and isn't the slightest bit late!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
I presume @Trident 4194 its utter nonsense that the 13A I am on has just left smack on time at 10.03 and isn't the slightest bit late!
Maybe because the terminus for the 13A happens to be right next to where you board. Any lateness is recovered and therefore when you board it 2 minutes from where it's terminated, it's going to be ontime
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 21, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
Maybe because the terminus for the 13A happens to be right next to where you board. Any lateness is recovered and therefore when you board it 2 minutes from where it's terminated, it's going to be ontime
Frankly that's
nonsense as you put it the 13A is usually on time that is what I post and very rarely late from despite
@Stu and others on the forums telling me the opposite I stand by my comments the 13A is rarely late when I board it and would like others on the forum to prove otherwise. When coming from the direction of Birmingham I normally get a PN9 to Halesowen and change onto a 4H unless a 13A or X8 is in sight therefore I stand by my comments the 13A is rarely late when I board it and would like others to prove otherwise.
Quote from: Steveminor on January 21, 2020, 08:01:30 AM
@richardjones210368 can I just pick you up on a point. You said you were on one of geoffs optares, but geoff hasn't owned any optare for over 2 years
I thought Geoff sold Birmingham Coach Company (Diamond) to Go Ahead many years ago - they in turn sold it to Rotala - also a long while back? Or are we talking someone else?
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 11:25:27 AM
I thought Geoff sold Birmingham Coach Company (Diamond) to Go Ahead many years ago - they in turn sold it to Rotala - also a long while back? Or are we talking someone else?
Wrong Geoff, Geoff Central Buses
My apologies to the moderators in advance, but I really, really have to post this.
@richardjones210368 As my avi picture once said. Are you drunk?! I have never, ever read such a load of rubbish in all my years in various forums. The moderators and especially Tony who owns this site have been so patient with you and your rudeness and ranting.
I'd be over the bloody moon with the various services that Blackheath/Rowley have, try sitting in a cold, dark West Brom bus station for the WB89 which is invariably late, is every hour from just after 6pm and I
have to do that because it's the only bus that goes past my house.
I don't complain because it's a bloody hard job scheduling buses although it would be lovely if a short to Cape Hill could be scheduled for around 18.30 Tony!
Quote from: Stu on January 20, 2020, 07:58:44 PM
But you're talkiing about a time before Broad Street was closed off and before Paradise Circus was demolished. Buses never had to travel round by the NIA, and now all vehicles attempting to access the NIA have to use the same roads.
You may find this hard to believe but it is not just the X8 that struggles at time for reliability, but all other Hagley Road bus services, and it probably has something to do with having to use what are essentially back streets between Five Ways and Paradise Circus.
And the reason for all of this... is Andy Street and the WMCA for wanting their Metro tram extended to Edgbaston.
What insider knowledge? You hide behind 'confidentiality agreements' and 'politically exposed person' and haven't really exposed anything, or presented any insider knowledge to the best of my knowledge.
Well I'm sorry to hear about your cancer battle and I hope it all goes well for you.
To be frankly honest, no I don't remember Wyvern The Dragon, and I don't really care about John Lewis' Christmas adverts.
I have no intention of banning you, not unless you break any of our Forum Rules. If you want to tell the 'truth' about the X8, then please present your evidence constructively and in a professional manner, as I can tell you are a professional person, but the way you are going about things at present is upsetting and annoying other long-standing members of this forum
How do you multi-quote like that?
Quote from: PinkBus on January 21, 2020, 12:00:26 PM
My apologies to the moderators in advance, but I really, really have to post this.
@richardjones210368 As my avi picture once said. Are you drunk?! I have never, ever read such a load of rubbish in all my years in various forums. The moderators and especially Tony who owns this site have been so patient with you and your rudeness and ranting.
I'd be over the bloody moon with the various services that Blackheath/Rowley have, try sitting in a cold, dark West Brom bus station for the WB89 which is invariably late, is every hour from just after 6pm and I have to do that because it's the only bus that goes past my house.
I don't complain because it's a bloody hard job scheduling buses although it would be lovely if a short to Cape Hill could be scheduled for around 18.30 Tony!
And your argument is what exactly?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 12:20:45 PM
And your argument is what exactly?
That basically Rowley/Blackheath are blessed to have better services than in West Smethwick... which they do...
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
That basically Rowley/Blackheath are blessed to have better services than in West Smethwick... which they do...
Yes we do in Blackheath thanks to Diamond Bus
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 01:05:52 PM
Yes we do in Blackheath thanks to Diamond Bus
Diamond... who run 1 commercial service, all the rest tendered... more frequent NX buses.
West Smethwick who have NX run a number of services at every 30 mins, 48, 89 etc and then hourly on evenings and Sundays.
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
That basically Rowley/Blackheath are blessed to have better services than in West Smethwick... which they do...
Thanks Jack, my point exactly.
I can't catch another bus to my home from West Brom because there isn't one. I'm also unable to walk very far so catching the 80/A to the High Street in Smethwick is too far for me to walk or walking along dark streets, past a park. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm female and feel unsafe doing that.
I'd love it if there was one extra 89 short to the Cape around 18.30 as there is on Saturdays, it would make my life easier, but I also understand that there may not be a need for a bus at that time.
In a ideal world, there would be a bus service that goes exactly where everyone wants to go, but in the real world that can't happen. Traffic is appalling these days, the route I live o has so many bottlenecks, I feel sorry for the drivers at times.
I've said before on hers, I would love to see the old 444 return in some form, but as this is going off topic, I'll leave it at that.
ETA: the platinum are lovely, I was on a 87 on Saturday and it was the warmest bus I've been on in a long time. The only thing I'm not keen on is the legroom, being short, there's rather too much for me!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 01:05:52 PM
Yes we do in Blackheath thanks to Diamond Bus
Unfortunately they desert Hayley Green and even Blackheath on the commercial service a bit early in the evening.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 02:51:36 PM
Unfortunately they desert Hayley Green and even Blackheath on the commercial service a bit early in the evening.
If there was a commercial demand Diamond would provide it another company provides the service round the Hasbury Circle under contract to TfWM.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 02:51:36 PM
Unfortunately they desert Hayley Green and even Blackheath on the commercial service a bit early in the evening.
Still run far later than NX do on the 4H corridor
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 21, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Still run far later than NX do on the 4H corridor
NXWM provide services until quite late from Hasbury to Halesowen - presumably connecting to other services from there. I was just pointing out that Diamond 'go home early', like many commercial operators. However NXWM provide a more extensive and intergrated service (4M and 4H, for instance between West Bromwich and Walsall), extending to quite late in the evening.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
NXWM provide services until quite late from Hasbury to Halesowen - presumably connecting to other services from there. I was just pointing out that Diamond 'go home early', like many commercial operators. However NXWM provide a more extensive and intergrated service (4M and 4H, for instance between West Bromwich and Walsall), extending to quite late in the evening.
The evening 4H comes off the commercial 14 of NXWM an excellent service the 4M is the commercial evening service of NXWM simply because it serves Merry Hill.
Quote from: PinkBus on January 21, 2020, 01:23:33 PM
Thanks Jack, my point exactly.
I can't catch another bus to my home from West Brom because there isn't one. I'm also unable to walk very far so catching the 80/A to the High Street in Smethwick is too far for me to walk or walking along dark streets, past a park. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm female and feel unsafe doing that.
I'd love it if there was one extra 89 short to the Cape around 18.30 as there is on Saturdays, it would make my life easier, but I also understand that there may not be a need for a bus at that time.
In a ideal world, there would be a bus service that goes exactly where everyone wants to go, but in the real world that can't happen. Traffic is appalling these days, the route I live o has so many bottlenecks, I feel sorry for the drivers at times.
I've said before on hers, I would love to see the old 444 return in some form, but as this is going off topic, I'll leave it at that.
ETA: the platinum are lovely, I was on a 87 on Saturday and it was the warmest bus I've been on in a long time. The only thing I'm not keen on is the legroom, being short, there's rather too much for me!!
Diamond Buses tried the 87 and no used the level of service you have obviously meets the demands as passengers didn't use an alternative offered.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
NXWM provide services until quite late from Hasbury to Halesowen - presumably connecting to other services from there. I was just pointing out that Diamond 'go home early', like many commercial operators. However NXWM provide a more extensive and intergrated service (4M and 4H, for instance between West Bromwich and Walsall), extending to quite late in the evening.
The last full commercial 4H leaves Hayley Green at 7pm (earlier) than Diamond (Mon - Sat only). Beyond that, the Halesowen - Hasbury 4H which NXWM operate is tendered.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
NXWM provide services until quite late from Hasbury to Halesowen - presumably connecting to other services from there. I was just pointing out that Diamond 'go home early', like many commercial operators. However NXWM provide a more extensive and intergrated service (4M and 4H, for instance between West Bromwich and Walsall), extending to quite late in the evening.
The PN4H journeys are operated under contract to TfWM
Quote from: PinkBus on January 21, 2020, 01:23:33 PM
Thanks Jack, my point exactly.
I can't catch another bus to my home from West Brom because there isn't one. I'm also unable to walk very far so catching the 80/A to the High Street in Smethwick is too far for me to walk or walking along dark streets, past a park. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm female and feel unsafe doing that.
I'd love it if there was one extra 89 short to the Cape around 18.30 as there is on Saturdays, it would make my life easier, but I also understand that there may not be a need for a bus at that time.
In a ideal world, there would be a bus service that goes exactly where everyone wants to go, but in the real world that can't happen. Traffic is appalling these days, the route I live o has so many bottlenecks, I feel sorry for the drivers at times.
I've said before on hers, I would love to see the old 444 return in some form, but as this is going off topic, I'll leave it at that.
ETA: the platinum are lovely, I was on a 87 on Saturday and it was the warmest bus I've been on in a long time. The only thing I'm not keen on is the legroom, being short, there's rather too much for me!!
There is obviously no demand for commercial services in the area at the time you require may I suggest you contact TfWM on the following link if you feel there is a demand for more from TfWM
customerservices@tfwm.org.uk
Whatever you or anyone else thinks on this forum I will never stop campaigning for the people of Blackheath to get the best possible bus service possible within the current legislation if you do not want that for the good people of Blackheath that is entirely up to you but having a very privileged position that is what I will post and campaign for and frankly I don't care at all what you, the moderators and other posters think about my comments I just want what is best for Blackheath a town I have lived in for 51 years and proud to serve them as the TfWM Bus Champion for the town whatever you or anyone posts will never change my opinions and love for my town. This is the Blackheath thread I am not sure why you are posting comments buses about Smethwick here as it is a long time since there was a direct bus to Smethwick from Blackheath so your comments are irrelevant to this thread. Thank you for your comments
@PinkBus but I could not care less what you think about me but thank you for your comments which I have noted.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 05:33:11 PM
There is obviously no demand for commercial services in the area at the time you require may I suggest you contact TfWM on the following link if you feel there is a demand for more from TfWM
customerservices@tfwm.org.uk
Whatever you or anyone else thinks on this forum I will never stop campaigning for the people of Blackheath to get the best possible bus service possible within the current legislation if you do not want that for the good people of Blackheath that is entirely up to you but having a very privileged position that is what I will post and campaign for and frankly I don't care at all what you, the moderators and other posters think about my comments I just want what is best for Blackheath a town I have lived in for 51 years and proud to serve them as the TfWM Bus Champion for the town whatever you or anyone posts will never change my opinions and love for my town. This is the Blackheath thread I am not sure why you are posting comments buses about Smethwick here as it is a long time since there was a direct bus to Smethwick from Blackheath so your comments are irrelevant to this thread.
Please do not answer me in that rude way, it was a comparison, nothing else. I think it is best if you don't answer my posts anymore as you are extremely rude and condescending.
I suggest if you feel so strongly about bus services, you stand as a independent candidate in the next council elections. I'm sure the many people outside Poundland will vote for you.
Please do not bother to reply, this is my last post on the subject.
ETA: the 89 was the last direct bus from Smethwick to Blackheath, that stopped running around 2/3 years ago, so not that long really.
That really is my last words on the subject.
@PinkBus - the below notice/additional forum functions apply to both you & everybody that keeps whining....
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5631.0
Quote from: PinkBus on January 21, 2020, 05:49:49 PM
Please do not answer me in that rude way, it was a comparison, nothing else. I think it is best if you don't answer my posts anymore as you are extremely rude and condescending.
I suggest if you feel so strongly about bus services, you stand as a independent candidate in the next council elections. I'm sure the many people outside Poundland will vote for you.
Please do not bother to reply, this is my last post on the subject.
ETA: the 89 was the last direct bus from Smethwick to Blackheath, that stopped running around 2/3 years ago, so not that long really.
That really is my last words on the subject.
Oh & @PinkBus thanks for the link @PinkBus it is very kind of you
- the below notice/additional forum functions apply to both you & everybody that keeps whining....
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5631.0
but frankly I dont care what you or the moderators feel about my comments if I have breached the forum rules I have made it clear if I need to be banned then ban me its that simple but I do not think the moderators need posters like you giving them advice if I am deleeted then so be it but I do not like other posters such as @PinkBus telling me what to do no one does that even you.
@PinkBus - the below notice/additional forum functions apply to both you & everybody that keeps whining....
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5631.0
I am still not sure why your comments about buses in Smethwick are relevant to a thread about Blackheath but
@Jack please correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the last 89 to Blackheath in 2014 as you know I am hopeless with numbers? I work with politicians
@PinkBus so that is most likely why you think I'm rude and condescing I will take that as a compliment as I must be doing something right so draw your own conclusions and funny enough I was asked to stand as the Change Uk candidate for Halesowen & Rowley at the last election think that was a lucky escape and I think most people I know well outside Poundland in Blackheath know I certainly do not need Anna Sourby to influence bus services in Blackheath.....................................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 06:06:25 PM
@Jack please correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the last 89 to Blackheath in 2014 as you know I am hopeless with numbers? I work with politicians @PinkBus so that is most likely why you think I'm rude and condescing I will take that as a compliment as I must be doing something right so draw your own conclusions and funny enough I was asked to stand as the Change Uk candidate for Halsowen & Rowley at the last election think that was a lucky escape and I think most people I know well outside Poundland in Blackheath know I certainly do not need Anna Sourby to influence bus services in Blackheath.....................................
The 89 stopped going to Blackheath in 2017, at the same time the 83 went because it replaced it. Technically Blackheath does still have a bus that goes to the Western side of Smethwick, the Warley... the 13A serves it!
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 06:09:52 PM
The 89 stopped going to Blackheath in 2017, at the same time the 83 went because it replaced it. Technically Blackheath does still have a bus that goes to the Western side of Smethwick... the 13A....
Ok
@Jack cheers thought it went to Oldbury instead of Blackheath from 2014 Cheers but the the 13A doesn't hit the Cape like the good old 129 does it mate but I agree it touches just on smethwick.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 06:14:03 PM
Ok @Jack cheers thought it went to Oldbury instead of Blackheath from 2014 Cheers but the the 13A doesn't hit the Cape like the good old 129 does it mate but I agree it touches just on smethwick.
Well the 13A crosses over Bearwood at the Bear Tavern, so it does go into Smethwick...
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 06:17:08 PM
Well the 13A crosses over Bearwood at the Bear Tavern, so it does go into Smethwick...
To my age its Warley but yes its a Smethwick postal address my Gran lived nearby so yes your right
@Jack
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2020, 07:43:00 PM
Or, @Stu , the original posting could have been complete rubbish. (possibly to wind Mr Jones up)
The X8 is only hourly at that time of night.
The 21:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was 8 minutes late at 21:57 (bus 6780)
The 22:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was exactly on time (bus 6762)
@Tony It would appear YOUR observations were correct on the X8 on Sunday so please accept my apologies for my comments and please pass my thanks to West Midlands Travel Limited for the excellent level of service it operated on the service on Sunday Night. I am most sorry for my comments and wish to withdraw them fully. After today's mishap for Diamond Buses in West Brom Bus station think I may partake in the NXWM 4H to go lane swimming tonight...............................................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 21, 2020, 06:21:06 PM
To my age its Warley but yes its a Smethwick postal address my Gran lived nearby so yes your right @Jack
@richardjones210368 I agree entirely with you, that is actually Bearwood (the north end of the High Street). Prior to 1974 when that odd beast called Sandwell was created it was part of Warley LA area - maybe it was part of Smethwick LA area before that (1966?).
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2020, 04:33:29 PM
The last full commercial 4H leaves Hayley Green at 7pm (earlier) than Diamond (Mon - Sat only). Beyond that, the Halesowen - Hasbury 4H which NXWM operate is tendered.
Thanks I didn't realise that. Presumably the services in the evening at Halesowen are commercial (eg 9 etc)?
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
Thanks I didn't realise that. Presumably the services in the evening at Halesowen are commercial (eg 9 etc)?
The 9 is commercial of an evening, the very bottom end of Hasbury/Lutely is walkable from the 9 route, Hayley Green is a good 1-1.5 miles away.
Quote from: don on January 21, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
Thanks I didn't realise that. Presumably the services in the evening at Halesowen are commercial (eg 9 etc)?
Before Diamond Bus took over the 4H/417 the family business that ran the service up Gorsty Hill previously had the last bus of the day departing at 17.15 to West Bromwich from Halesowen the current service level is a marked improvement over the late 80s and 90s timetable and should be applauded. The 9 is commercial until 1am every weekday and later at weekends from Colmore Row I have regularly used the 1am journey from the office it usually well used then walked home from the picture house.
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2020, 07:43:00 PM
Or, @Stu , the original posting could have been complete rubbish. (possibly to wind Mr Jones up)
The X8 is only hourly at that time of night.
The 21:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was 8 minutes late at 21:57 (bus 6780)
The 22:49 journey from Quinton Stag to Wolverhampton was exactly on time (bus 6762)
If this is referring to my observation in the late running thread, then you are wrong. I saw them both following each other at the time I stated and it wasn't to wind anyone up because quite frankly the amount of posting to do with that one bus service is a bit over the top.
This isn't me moaning or having a dig, I'm just letting people know.
Quote from: OH25 on January 21, 2020, 09:32:28 PM
If this is referring to my observation in the late running thread, then you are wrong. I saw them both following each other at the time I stated and it wasn't to wind anyone up because quite frankly the amount of posting to do with that one bus service is a bit over the top.
This isn't me moaning or having a dig, I'm just letting people know.
@OH25 - Yes it was in relation to your obs.
Don't suppose you saw the fleet numbers of the two X8's so we can put this to bed?
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
@OH25 - Yes it was in relation to your obs.
Don't suppose you saw the fleet numbers of the two X8's so we can put this to bed?
The matter is closed as far I am concerned
"
2141 - X8."
@2206 has noted a completely unsuitable bus yet again on this route. Is it me or are NXWM completely unable to route schedule this route with a suitable bus it really is unbelievable day after day after day just complete and utter incompetence from the operator.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 12:12:23 PM
"2141 - X8."
@2206 has noted a completely unsuitable bus yet again on this route. Is it me or are NXWM completely unable to route schedule this route with a suitable bus it really is unbelievable day after day after day just complete and utter incompetence from the operator.
Rather have a bus than no bus hun.... so it's more acceptable to miss a bus out or put a bus with issues (which I heard a diamond bus driver state the other day) in service? You need your head testing.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 22, 2020, 12:16:43 PM
Rather have a bus than no bus hun.... so it's more acceptable to miss a bus out or put a bus with issues (which I heard a diamond bus driver state the other day) in service? You need your head testing.
If the company was fit and proper to operate the matter would not arise & thank you for your medical advice it is most kind of you but had that done at the QE on Monday they seemed to agree with your comments oddly. HAPPY BIRTHDAY for Tomorrow
@SL 16 YPN
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 12:19:48 PM
If the company was fit and proper to operate the matter would not arise & thank you for your medical advice it is most kind of you but had that done at the QE on Monday they seemed to agree with your comments oddly. HAPPY BIRTHDAY for Tomorrow @SL 16 YPN
There is no issue though, all operators do it? Even diamond the 226 has the branded streetlites but sometimes you get a b7 (31/32 WMB branded one was noted earlier this month) covering if there's not enough streetlites to cover.
First does it, Stagecoach does it, Go Ahead group of buses do it etc. Think all companies would rather have a bus running the route than miss out one because it is not the right type or not the right branded one.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 22, 2020, 12:50:26 PM
There is no issue though, all operators do it? Even diamond the 226 has the branded streetlites but sometimes you get a b7 (31/32 WMB branded one was noted earlier this month) covering if there's not enough streetlites to cover.
First does it, Stagecoach does it, Go Ahead group of buses do it etc. Think all companies would rather have a bus running the route than miss out one because it is not the right type or not the right branded one.
My issue is capacity problems when Leasowes & St Micheal schoolchildern use this service this afternoon causing severe overcrowding for Blackheath bus users. Have you ever seen The Stag & St Giles after 3pm. A single decker is totally unsuitable for the route if the idiots at WN knew the area they would know that there were never capacity issues on the PN140/241 it demonstrates the utter incompetence of West Midland Travel Limited
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 01:10:01 PM
My issue is capacity problems when Leasowes & St Micheal schoolchildern use this service this afternoon causing severe overcrowding for Blackheath bus users. Have you ever seen The Stag & St Giles after 3pm. A single decker is totally unsuitable for the route if the idiots at WN knew the area they would know that there were never capacity issues on the PN140/241 it demonstrates the utter incompetence of West Midland Travel Limited
But that B7 could be replaced at the first chance if a decker becomes available WN would swap it when it comes back into wolves bus station.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 22, 2020, 01:17:21 PM
But that B7 could be replaced at the first chance if a decker becomes available WN would swap it when it comes back into wolves bus station.
I doubt it I see severe overcrowding on the X8 for Blackheath Schoolchildren when a B7 is on it leading to completely unsafe conditions of operation to me that is not acceptable behaviour from a bus company which why I say WMT are not a fit and proper company. People think I moan for moans sake but I genuinely worry about the safety of passengers on the X8.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 01:31:35 PM
I doubt it I see severe overcrowding on the X8 for Blackheath Schoolchildren when a B7 is on it leading to completely unsafe conditions of operation to me that is not acceptable behaviour from a bus company which why I say WMT are not a fit and proper company. People think I moan for moans sake but I genuinely worry about the safety of passengers on the X8.
You could say the same for the 226 specially when the crestwood school finishes the 226 gets packed
Caught 6783 on the X8 earlier, only a few minutes late and it had 16 minutes layover in the City Centre so would have departed on time on its outbound journey to Wolverhampton.
No complaints about the bus or journey in my opinion.
Board X8/09.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 22, 2020, 01:42:06 PM
You could say the same for the 226 specially when the crestwood school finishes the 226 gets packed
Not really that service gets normally the bus allocated the operator feels appropriate I am not aware of any deckers at Tividale. There are always well over 100 kids at The Stag and the service requires double deckers on the route since the frequency was cut from 4 buses per hour to 3. West Midlands Travel have no respect for the social welfare of its passengers when allocating an unsuitable vehicle to the X8 therefore it is not an operator that is fit for purpose.
Quote from: 2206 on January 22, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
Caught 6783 on the X8 earlier, only a few minutes late and it had 16 minutes layover in the City Centre so would have departed on time on its outbound journey to Wolverhampton.
No complaints about the bus or journey in my opinion.
Board X8/09.
I take note of
@2206 comment
"a few minutes late" so no change there but if the correct vehicle is allocated to the X8 and it departed on time then what is the point of the post and what actually is there to complain about I dont follow?
"Over 100 school kids" wouldn't fit on a double decker either
Quote from: Gareth on January 22, 2020, 02:11:30 PM
"Over 100 school kids" wouldn't fit on a double decker either
Not they wouldnt
@Gareth would they but they would on an X8 Double Deck Platinum and a PN14 towards Blackheath if the buses were corrected allocated wouldn't they matey so your point is?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Not the wouldnt @Gareth would they but they would on an X8 Double Deck Platinum and a PN14 towards Blackheath if the buses were corrected allocated wouldn't they matey so your point is?
No school kids about at midday either, when I saw 2141.
Better than no bus at all surely as well.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 02:53:26 PM
Not they wouldnt @Gareth would they but they would on an X8 Double Deck Platinum and a PN14 towards Blackheath if the buses were corrected allocated wouldn't they matey so your point is?
But a B7RLE does have a maximum capacity of 100 whereas a decker doesn't!
Quote from: 2206 on January 22, 2020, 02:55:36 PM
No school kids about at midday either, when I saw 2141.
Better than no bus at all surely as well.
No
@2206 totally irresponsible scheduling from an operator who has no care for its passengers and is not fit to hold its operators licence a lot of St Micks finish at 12pm on a Wednesday for extracurricular activities so the bus was completely unsuitable for St Giles Church. The sooner we get regulation imposed by the WMCA to be announced on the 11th March 2020 by H M Government to end the cowboy activities of this operator the better.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 01:51:56 PM
Not really that service gets normally the bus allocated the operator feels appropriate I am not aware of any deckers at Tividale. There are always well over 100 kids at The Stag and the service requires double deckers on the route since the frequency was cut from 4 buses per hour to 3. West Midlands Travel have no respect for the social welfare of its passengers when allocating an unsuitable vehicle to the X8 therefore it is not an operator that is fit for purpose.
So NXWM is not a fit and proper operator because it occasionally substitutes a single decker, whereas Diamond is a fit and proper operator even though it can't be asked to equip itself with vehicles appropriate for the job? This seems a somewhat biased viewpoint by any analysis??!! ::)
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
But a B7RLE does have a maximum capacity of 100 whereas a decker doesn't!
So you expect over 60s & those with disabilities such as myself or other concessionary pass holders to stand up amongst youngsters
@Tony a very caring approach from a bus company I must say. I must mention that to The Mayor he likes a good laugh and HS2.
Quote from: don on January 22, 2020, 03:02:28 PM
So NXWM is not a fit and proper operator because it occasionally substitutes a single decker, whereas Diamond is a fit and proper operator even though it can't be asked to equip itself with vehicles appropriate for the job? This seems a somewhat biased viewpoint by any analysis??!! ::)
@don I do not regard a single decker as a safe vehicle on the X8 for its passengers only an idiot would schedule one on it. I am not aware of any issues regarding
"vehicles appropriate for the job" or capacity problems on the Diamond Buses I use the only capacity problems I witness are on the X8 if you are aware of capacity problems or
"vehicles appropriate for the job" on Diamond Buses I suggest you contact the operator on:
comments@diamondbuses.com
for its consideration of the issue.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 03:03:47 PM
So you expect over 60s concessionary holders to stand up amongst youngsters @Tony a very caring approach from bus company I must say. I must mention that to The Mayor he likes a good laugh and HS2.
You mean like they have to on the 301/302 now your precious Mayor has cut the number of buses and capacity?
Quote from: V89MOA on January 22, 2020, 03:12:15 PM
You mean like they have to on the 301/302 now your precious Mayor has cut the number of buses and capacity?
The route is part of the bus alliance and was agreed by all the relevant stakeholders if you have any comment on a
"West Midlands Bus" service please forward them to:
customerservices@tfwm.org.uk
for consideration by the WMCA, all comments are welcomed and will be taken onboard when the service is next reviewed.
By the way @V89MOA I do not seem to have received an invitation to join your X8 fan club is this an oversight?
I think you should be grateful an B7RLE was actually available, at least you didn't get an SWB E200 and I doubt we'd be hearing the last of it!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 03:19:36 PM
The route is part of the bus alliance and was agreed by all the relevant stakeholders if you have any comment on a "West Midlands Bus" service please forward them to:
customerservices@tfwm.org.uk
for consideration by the WMCA, all comments are welcomed and will be taken onboard when the service is next reviewed.
By the way @V89MOA I do not seem to have received an invitation to join your X8 fan club is this an oversight?
In others words it is ok for people to suffer a below adequate service as long as tfwm have signed it off, but No no no National Express cannot make people stand on their buses😲😲😲 The fact that you are unable to defend the capacity issues on these routes tells me everything I needed to know!
No oversight either we just don't allow people to join who constantly spout rubbish :)
Quote from: Jack on January 22, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
I think you should be grateful an B7RLE was actually available, at least you didn't get an SWB E200 and I doubt we'd be hearing the last of it!
You do make me smile
@Jack anyone would think I am on this forum simply to moan about the X8 and cause trouble for
@Tony mind you in November NXWM did actually allocate a SWB E200 to a afternoon journey on the X8 from Dudley I was on & so I decided to stay on it to Brum & come right back on it to monitor the capacity of the journey and the following day I reported the overcrowding to the traffic commissioner its funny I always sense a collective sigh when I pop in to the OfTC by my office mind you its very convenient I must say the lovely lady on reception always says the OfTC should join the Nector card scheme as I would end up with record points a really lovely thought don't you think?
Quote from: V89MOA on January 22, 2020, 03:39:38 PM
In others words it is ok for people to suffer a below adequate service as long as tfwm have signed it off, but No no no National Express cannot make people stand on their buses😲😲😲 The fact that you are unable to defend the capacity issues on these routes tells me everything I needed to know!
No oversight either we just don't allow people to join who constantly spout rubbish :)
The route capacity has been signed off by the stakeholders I am not defending it if you have comments on it I have posted where to address your concerns too for consideration by the WMCA and right
@V89MOA I understand fully your membership issues I persumb your comment that you do not allow membership to your X8 club who constantly spout rubbish includes the Mayor too.............
Quote from: Jack on January 22, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
I think you should be grateful an B7RLE was actually available, at least you didn't get an SWB E200 and I doubt we'd be hearing the last of it!
Don't think he even intended to use it, so not sure how he knows there was a problem with the allocation.
Leaving the City Centre at midday there wasn't.
Quote from: 2206 on January 22, 2020, 03:55:29 PM
Don't think he even intended to use it, so not sure how he knows there was a problem with the allocation.
Leaving the City Centre at midday there wasn't.
It is not me I worry about personally i am not one of life's complainers its my fellow Blackheath bus users I worry about when I am not on the service to observe matters Blackheath bus users deserve so much better than the service they receive from West Midlands Travel Ltd there are times I cannot sleep at night due to worry about the third world bus service we all have to put with in Blackheath aside from the Diamond Bus 4H of course.
Quote from: 900 on January 22, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
And then.....
..... the matter reviewed by all the stakeholders and on any action point a decision will be made on how to address it if any.
Quote from: 900 on January 22, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
Yawn..
You do know people are just laughing at you with the bollocks your spouting so why don't you just shut up cause nobody really cares if you don't like the bus service learn how to drive a car simple
Its funny how the Admins are just sitting back and watching but if this was anyone else they would be blue penned and removed for off here 1 rule for one.
I will take your comments fully on board and address the issues you have raised in due course in the appropriate manner just for the record I hold a full car driving licence and a PCV and I have no idea where you got the idea I do not like the bus service in the West Midlands I use them 7 days a week 364 days a week and can only find fault in one route out of hundreds in my opinion we have a network of bus services that are the best in England and should fully praise the work of Transport For West Midlands and The West Midlands Combined Authority honestly I cannot see how anyone cannot like the bus service network we have across Birmingham & the Black Country led by Diamond Buses Limited I certainly do.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
You do make me smile @Jack anyone would think I am on this forum simply to moan about the X8 and cause trouble for @Tony mind you in November NXWM did actually allocate a SWB E200 to a afternoon journey on the X8 from Dudley I was on & so I decided to stay on it to Brum & come right back on it to monitor the capacity of the journey and the following day I reported the overcrowding to the traffic commissioner its funny I always sense a collective sigh when I pop in to the OfTC by my office mind you its very convenient I must say the lovely lady on reception always says the OfTC should join the Nector card scheme as I would end up with record points a really lovely thought don't you think?
If that doesn't clarify what a moaner you are I don't know what does. Try having a B7RLE on the uni services or Bristol road then you will see that's it not just the X8 that suffers capacity issues. It's been mentioned that the 55 should certainly have bigger buses than omnilinks, however people don't post everyday moaning about it, they get on with it instead. Do you think it's acceptable diamondbuses uses mellors on 4H/002, and small darts on there?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 22, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
If that doesn't clarify what a moaner you are I don't know what does. Try having a B7RLE on the uni services or Bristol road then you will see that's it not just the X8 that suffers capacity issues. It's been mentioned that the 55 should certainly have bigger buses than omnilinks, however people don't post everyday moaning about it, they get on with it instead. Do you think it's acceptable diamondbuses uses mellors on 4H/002, and small darts on there?
Well as the great Keith Chegwin used to say on Cheggers Plays Pop one man's moan is another man's regulatory issue wheyhey so let's give a big Cheggers welcome to this - I use the 55 to the Necheles Place and are not aware of any capacity problems on the journeys I use or would report the matter to the OfTC. Both the 4H and 002 are frequent services running every 15 minutes with extra capacity on part of the route from Diamond Bus 202 and NXWM 4H so vehicle substitution is not an issue on these routes and strangely enough I regularly used the 636 and then the 99 to and from Birmingham from Blackheath well The Stag and also the X64 from weoley castle and cannot recall capacity issues on the journeys I used either mind you I do agree with you completely I do not know how the Bristol Road corridor will cope with the 144 frequency reduction from 26th January that is most worrying.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 04:24:21 PM
I will take your comments fully on board and address the issues you have raised in due course in the appropriate manner just for the record I hold a full car driving licence and a PCV and I have no idea where you got the idea I do not like the bus service in the West Midlands I use them 7 days a week 364 days a week and can only find fault in one route out of hundreds in my opinion we have a network of bus services that are the best in England and should fully praise the work of Transport For West Midlands and The West Midlands Combined Authority honestly I cannot see how anyone cannot like the bus service network we have across Birmingham & the Black Country led by Diamond Buses Limited I certainly do.
As NXWM runs the vast majority of services in the West Midlands, and generally a high frequency commercial service, and Diamond Bus is a small independent in that context, I just don't get why you can't recognise the level of effort NXWM gives to providing the generally excellent service in the West Midlands you describe above - whilst TfWM and WMCA has an involvement, the commercial bus service underpins everything and I don't see how WMCA and TfWM provides a great deal of input to that other than some Regulatory tasks. I really think it's insulting to the point of delusion to ignore all operators except Diamond, who frankly operate comparatively few competitive services. As has been pointed out above, one of the 'WM Bus' corridors has had its service cut - presumably the commercial operators are not permitted to top this up.
I really do worry that the service levels on these 'WM Bus' routes will be defined by smaller operator's ability to provide their contribution to the necessary level of service rather than the larger's - to the detriment of the travelling public. As you say, no double deckers at Tividale - NXWM have over 1000!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
I do not know how the Bristol Road corridor will cope with the 144 frequency reduction from 26th January that is most worrying.
I think you should write to The Times about it. As far as the Birmingham boundary does the 144 contribution even count?
Presumably rail to Bromsgrove and Worcester is a far better bet for most passengers.
@don You quite right NXWM runs the vast majority of services in the West Midlands, and generally a high frequency commercial service, and Diamond Bus is a small independent in that context, but of course no one of any intelligence can recognise any level of effort NXWM make at all to providing a quality service to benefit of passengers in the West Midlands and not the shareholders of National Express PLC. TfWM and WMCA has an involvement and of course that is invaluable I agree the commercial bus service underpins everything such as Diamond Bus 4H 16 41 50 226 & 002 and soon WMCA and TfWM will provide a great deal more of an input and undertake all Regulatory tasks all will be revealed by H M Gov on 11th March. If the poster earlier has issues with one of the 'WM Bus' corridors and feels it has had a "service cut" I suggest his makes his comments known by telephone on 0345 303 6760, email to customerservices@tfwm.org.uk or writes personally to The Mayor, 16 Summer Lane, Birmingham.
Quote from: don on January 22, 2020, 04:54:28 PM
I think you should write to The Times about it. As far as the Birmingham boundary does the 144 contribution even count?
Presumably rail to Bromsgrove and Worcester is a far better bet for most passengers.
or perhaps
@don write to the Evening Standard take it from me a jolly nice chap is the Editor of that rag I am an "i" man myself this could be one for simon calder couldn't it and I have used the 144 for over 50 years and value its contribution to the West Midlands Bus Network and to be honest I did odd the relief duty working with a 708D those were the days...................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
It is not me I worry about personally i am not one of life's complainers its my fellow Blackheath bus users I worry about when I am not on the service to observe matters Blackheath bus users deserve so much better than the service they receive from West Midlands Travel Ltd there are times I cannot sleep at night due to worry about the third world bus service we all have to put with in Blackheath aside from the Diamond Bus 4H of course.
Well at least bus users in Blackheath have the excellent 13A service to rely on then. :)
But that is also run by "West Midlands Travel Ltd" is it not?
Please stop being so dramatic - in case you didn't know it, apart from my technical and moderating duties in this forum, I also run the West Midlands Bus Users website and Facebook page. Trust me, while I am concerned with the interests of all bus users across the West Midlands, I certainly don't lose any sleep at night as a result despite this overwhelming burden I carry.
In fact, as a TfWM Bus Champion, I'd like to cordially invite you to check out my website, where I have recently added a community forum, with the intention of allowing bus users from across the West Midlands to connect with each other and raise any concerns about the standards of bus services in this region, and to engage in lively discussions. Barring an initial introductory posting on my Facebook page, I have not yet done any active promotion of this new feature on my website, due to being busy since Christmas with personal and work related matters, which has resulted in me having to pass up an opportunity to be interviewed by someone from ITV News regarding the recently announced Birmingham Transport Plan.
You and your fellow Blackheath bus users are more than welcome to sign up and join in, and tell all your friends too. :)
As a driver on the x10 on a very regular basis I have never seen a x8 dangerously overcrowded like you say both single and double deckers. Yet more bull shit from you
I to feel sorry for people in blackheath having you around them and I wonder if they are safe
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2020, 09:47:57 PM
@OH25 - Yes it was in relation to your obs.
Don't suppose you saw the fleet numbers of the two X8's so we can put this to bed?
It was definitely two platinums and I believe they were both purple X8 branded buses.
Thank you
@Stu for your kind invitation I will of course check out your web thingy and look forward to signing up in due course I dont do Facebook or Twit I have never been described dramatic well not since I was at Uni and on one of our compulsory residential weekends and pushed someone accidentally in the River Avon while we where crossing it as assignment and being the strong swimmer I am took off my boots and top and jumped in the Avon in my boxers and saved the non swimmer who I may have mentioned previously on the forum. Anyway I will pass your details to my former line manager in Whitehall to see if you are an fit and proper person whose own website I can post on. Cheers
@Stu you are very lucky I am still not allowed to comment on television I do admire you mind you I did once get the clearance to do The Budget Analysis on Al Jezerer and I bought new socks in case I had to take my boots off.......................
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
As a driver on the x10 on a very regular basis I have never seen a x8 dangerously overcrowded like you say both single and double deckers. Yet more bull shit from you
I to feel sorry for people in blackheath having you around them and I wonder if they are safe
Isnt the X8 WN not PN or
@karl724223 is x ray vision another of your key skills?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 08:34:45 PM
Isnt the X8 WN not PN or @karl724223 is x ray vision another of your key skills?
Karl drives the X10, which shares the same route as the X8 between city centre and Quinton (The Stag).
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 08:34:45 PM
Isnt the X8 WN not PN or @karl724223 is x ray vision another of your key skills?
Oh so the x8 doesn't go the same way from the stag to town and back as the x10
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 05:04:05 PM
@don You quite right NXWM runs the vast majority of services in the West Midlands, and generally a high frequency commercial service, and Diamond Bus is a small independent in that context, but of course no one of any intelligence can recognise any level of effort NXWM make at all to providing a quality service to benefit of passengers in the West Midlands and not the shareholders of National Express PLC.
Paying a return to shareholders and providing a high quality customer service are not mutually exclusive you know - in fact they underpin the financial system the country operates in (capitalism). In the same way that Diamond Bus need to provide investors with a return for their investment. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this but my view is NXWM aims to provide a professional and high quality service to achieve good customer experience and thus be profitable.
It does bother me that Diamond operate a commercial service on the 16 and 50 in competition with NXWM but with inferior vehicles. So if TfWM wanted either of those run as a quality partnership what level of service do they specify - or would both of them run a mile if that was suggested? An interesting thought!! But if I lived on the 16 route I know I would prefer the higher quality bus.
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
As a driver on the x10 on a very regular basis I have never seen a x8 dangerously overcrowded like you say both single and double deckers. Yet more bull shit from you
I to feel sorry for people in blackheath having you around them and I wonder if they are safe
The 140 was apparently an excellent service, and run with B7RLEs. As the X8 makes fewer stops if it is getting overcrowded with mostly double deck, then NX were obviously correct in introducing it
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
The 140 was apparently an excellent service, and run with B7RLEs. As the X8 makes fewer stops if it is getting overcrowded with mostly double deck, then NX were obviously correct in introducing it
forgot to tell Billy I've drove the 140 from West Bromwich and pensnett garages
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 20, 2020, 08:25:36 PM
Frankly I don't need your false sympathy for my cancer battle.
I am not going to change and frankly to be honest I don't care what your opinion is
Considering your vile tirade of abuse towards Stu, a site moderator the other day, I would say you're very lucky to be invited to look at and use his website. Hopefully you can be more constructive in your criticism on a forum more for bus users than enthusiasts.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
Thank you @Stu for your kind invitation I will of course check out your web thingy and look forward to signing up in due course.
Quote from: Gareth on January 22, 2020, 08:48:44 PM
Considering your vile tirade of abuse towards Stu, a site moderator the other day, I would say you're very lucky to be invited to look at and use his website. Hopefully you can be more constructive in your criticism on a forum more for bus users than enthusiasts.
I never think of myself as lucky
@Gareth just as a survivor I will pass
@Stu details to my line manager in Whitehall and if
@Stu is judged to be a fit and proper person I am able to engage with as was judged with
@Tony and WM BUS FORUM I will be happy to contribute we can only hope I get clearance that is out of my hands sadly.
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 08:46:17 PM
forgot to tell Billy I've drove the 140 from West Bromwich and pensnett garages
I have no complaints with the service operated by WB & PN by West Midlands Travel Limited on the 140 it was an excellent service and the best bus service in England as
@Tony himself pointed out a few days ago the X8 is not on the 140 service registeration at OfTC therefore your comments are completely irrelevant
@karl724223
Quote from: Stu on January 22, 2020, 08:38:05 PM
Karl drives the X10, which shares the same route as the X8 between city centre and Quinton (The Stag).
He does not drive the X8
@Stu and has no idea therefore of the X8 service between The Stag & Dudley via Blackheath therefore cannot comment on a Blackheath bus service I would have thought as an intelligent person
@Stu you would have understood that perhaps not then.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 09:01:03 PM
I have no complaints with the service operated by WB & PN by West Midlands Travel Limited on the 140 it was an excellent service and the best bus service in England as @Tony himself pointed out a few days ago the X8 is not on the 140 service registeration at OfTC therefore your comments are completely irrelevant @karl724223
dont you like it I have a good few years expiriance in driving the 140/241 at two garages
Never mind Billy
Why do you keep editing all your posts Billy
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2020, 08:44:22 PM
The 140 was apparently an excellent service, and run with B7RLEs. As the X8 makes fewer stops if it is getting overcrowded with mostly double deck, then NX were obviously correct in introducing it
The 140/241 were every 15 minutes and the B7RLEs were perfect on a fitted service to The Stag from Dudley while with the 9 from College Rd every 7mins the Hagley Rd services were perfect now Blackheath bus users cannot get off a stop local to their place of work due to the limited stop format and are faced with hopeless unreliability. The 140 B7RLEs coped perfectly well with the 9 and 241 if you follow my logic who would want to change an excellent bus service that worked perfectly just remind me
@Tony what is the name of the bus company that changed a perfectly excellent bus service.........
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 09:12:34 PM
dont you like it I have a good few years expiriance in driving the 140/241 at two garages
Never mind Billy
Why do you keep editing all your posts Billy
I thank you
@karl724223 for the excellent bus service you provided on the 140/241 and the good people of Blackheath will always be grateful too it's just a shame it has been replaced with the WNX8 so so sad and so regctable and a good political speech writer is never happy with his first draft.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
The 140/241 were every 15 minutes and the B7RLEs were perfect on a fitted service to The Stag from Dudley while with the 9 from College Rd every 7mins the Hagley Rd services were perfect now Blackheath bus users cannot get off a stop local to thier place of work due to the idiotic limited stop format and are faced with hopeless unreliability. The 140 B7RLEs coped perfectly well with the 9 and 241 only an idiotic bus company with no regard to its passengers would want to change an excellent bus service that worked perfectly just remind me @Tony what is the name of the bus company.........
i have also drove single deckers from pensnett on the 9 /X10 and never had a problem with dangerously overcrowding
You must be really unlucky billy
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
i have also drove single deckers from pensnett on the 9 /X10 and never had a problem with dangerously overcrowding
You must be really unlucky billy
I do not post any complaints ever
@karl724223 about the PN9 or X10 or PN13A which I still regard as excellent services of West Midlands Travel Limited which I use regularly to Halesowen or Blackheath on the 13A and are a credit to yourself and everyone at PN and have never made any post whatsoever of any over crowding on those services my complaints are directed towards WN and the X8 which you obviously do not have experience of unlike myself and the good people of Blackheath and are listening to hearsay posts on the forum and excuses from employees of West Midlands Travel who are involved directly with the X8.
Am looking forward to this Sunday when the good people of Stourbridge will be experiencing the wonderful Platinum buses from Wolverhampton garage on the number 8 service.
They will then experience the high level of customer care, driving and general comfort of these buses and their drivers that the good people of Blackheath have been experiencing, although 6 buses an hour between Stourbridge and Wolverhampton (8 and 16) is slightly overdoing it IMO.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
I do not post any complaints ever @karl724223 about the PN9 or X10 or PN13A which I still regard as excellent services of West Midlands Travel Limited which I use regularly to Halesowen or Blackheath on the 13A and are a credit to yourself and everyone at PN and have never made any post whatsoever of any over crowding on those services my complaints are directed towards WN and the X8 which you obviously do not have experience of unlike myself and the good people of Blackheath and are listening to hearsay posts on the forum and excuses from employees of West Midlands Travel who are involved directly with the X8.
You regard the 9 as excellent when it also gets allocated B7RLES from time to Time. Today an E200made an appearance. How is that excellent when you criticise the X8 for having the same issues
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 22, 2020, 09:53:08 PM
You regard the 9 as excellent when it also gets allocated B7RLES from time to Time. Today an E200made an appearance. How is that excellent when you criticise the X8 for having the same issues
@Trident 4194 the WNX8 is infrequent the PN9 runs at frequent intervals up to every 10 mins while the X10 compliments it whilst being Limited Stop from The City to The Picture House and so overcrowding is never an issue the two services cannot be compered.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 22, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
Am looking forward to this Sunday when the good people of Stourbridge will be experiencing the wonderful Platinum buses from Wolverhampton garage on the number 8 service.
They will then experience the high level of customer care, driving and general comfort of these buses and their drivers that the good people of Blackheath have been experiencing, although 6 buses an hour between Stourbridge and Wolverhampton (8 and 16) is slightly overdoing it IMO.
I wish everyone involved with the new services following the consultations good luck and best wishes from Sunday which
@Stuharris 6360 I am sure you would agree with
I do agree, but time will tell whether they are successfull!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
It is not me I worry about personally i am not one of life's complainers
Really?
Quote from: Lukeee on January 22, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
Really?
Yes
@Lukeee I and Blackheath bus users follow the words of one the worlds greatest philosophers of all time Tears For Fears its a very very
Mad World
Quote from: don on January 22, 2020, 08:43:54 PM
Paying a return to shareholders and providing a high quality customer service are not mutually exclusive you know - in fact they underpin the financial system the country operates in (capitalism). In the same way that Diamond Bus need to provide investors with a return for their investment. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this but my view is NXWM aims to provide a professional and high quality service to achieve good customer experience and thus be profitable.
It does bother me that Diamond operate a commercial service on the 16 and 50 in competition with NXWM but with inferior vehicles. So if TfWM wanted either of those run as a quality partnership what level of service do they specify - or would both of them run a mile if that was suggested? An interesting thought!! But if I lived on the 16 route I know I would prefer the higher quality bus.
Diamond Bus 226 is a quality partnership service with TfWM unfortunately as an accountant
@don I do not understand your definition of capitalism or recognise it sadly and its role in the UK financal system and equally I am unable to relate to your interpretation of a return to shareholders and providing a high quality customer service being mutually exclusive i as I did my internship with the artist now known as FirstGroup.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 22, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
Well as the great Keith Chegwin used to say on Cheggers Plays Pop one man's moan is another man's regulatory issue wheyhey so let's give a big Cheggers welcome to this - I use the 55 to the Necheles Place and are not aware of any capacity problems on the journeys I use or would report the matter to the OfTC. Both the 4H and 002 are frequent services running every 15 minutes with extra capacity on part of the route from Diamond Bus 202 and NXWM 4H so vehicle substitution is not an issue on these routes and strangely enough I regularly used the 636 and then the 99 to and from Birmingham from Blackheath well The Stag and also the X64 from weoley castle and cannot recall capacity issues on the journeys I used either mind you I do agree with you completely I do not know how the Bristol Road corridor will cope with the 144 frequency reduction from 26th January that is most worrying.
Obviously you never see the X20's then, the decker can have full standing loads from University North Gate at peak times and have to drive past all the other stops into the City Centre. Same for the 13:20 X22 from the QE which is always rammed and overcrowded with school kids. Single decker wouldn't cope with a lot of journeys on the X20/X21/X22.
Whether they'd have coped 5 years ago on the 99 is irrelavent.
NX 94 and 55 get bet busy at peak times as well, so clearly you never see that route either. I'm currently on a very overcrowded 6801 on the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on January 23, 2020, 08:31:48 AM
Obviously you never see the X20's then, the decker can have full standing loads from University North Gate at peak times and have to drive past all the other stops into the City Centre. Same for the 13:20 X22 from the QE which is always rammed with school kids. Single decker wouldn't cope with a lot of journeys on the X20/X21/X22.
Whether they'd have coped 5 years ago on the 99 is irrelavent.
NX 94 and 55 get bet busy at peak times as well, so clearly you never see that route either
I visit two different clients on Boultbee Business Park in Nechelles and never see the 94 full and use both companies 55. They are more busier since 70s were cut I grant you.I only use the X22 to Balmoral Road and that's always empty compared with the old 22. You obviously never use these service or wouldn't be making such statements and what it has to do with Blackheath other than for me using them is anybody's guess. I never use X20 or X21 therefore cannot comment on these services.
However if you a daily user of the 55/94 & X20/1/2 as I would usually be on the X8 I am happy to withdraw my comments @2206 and agree with your comments as I would never dispute the views and comments of a daily user. Many Apologies @2206[/b0
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 08:40:39 AM
You do post some utter rubbish I visit two different clients on Boultbee Business Park in Nechelles and never see the 94 full and use both companies 55. They are more busier since 70s were cut I grant you.I only use the X22 to Balmoral Road and that's always empty compared with the old 22. You obviously never use these service or wouldn't be making such statements and what it has to do with Blackheath other than for me using them is anybody's guess. I never use X20 or X21 therefore cannot comment on these services.
I use the 55/94 and X20/X21/X22 daily.
And say that on a completely rammed 6801 on the 94.
Both routes are full in the peaks between City Centre and Ward End on the 55/94 and Selly Oak/Quinton Road on the X20's, anyone who say they are empty has never used them.
And 6801 will be leaving the City Centre on the 94 fairly busy as well.
Not rubbish at all, the only rubbish I can see is your post stating they are never busy.
Quote from: 2206 on January 23, 2020, 08:46:53 AM
I use the 55/94 and X20/X21/X22 daily.
And say that on a completely rammed 6801 on the 94.
Both routes are full in the peaks between City Centre and Ward End on the 55/94 and Selly Oak/Quinton Road on the X20's, anyone who say they are empty has never used them.
The other reason could be I am going against the flow of traffic at the times I use them as I am many things but not a peak time commuter I really couldn't be arsed with that sort of palaver
You misquoted me I actually said "I never see them busy" which I don't!
However if you a daily user of the 55/94 & X20/1/2 as I would usually be on the X8 I am happy to withdraw my comments @2206 and agree with your comments as I would never dispute the views and comments of a daily user. Many Apologies @2206
There are major disruptions for Blackheath Bus Users Live as the road is closed outside the Classic Cinema disrupting X8 X10 19
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-hagley-road-west-police-17616362.amp
@nxwestmidlands
DIVERSION: #19, #X8, #X10 Due to a police road closure on Hagley Road West services are being diverted from Quinton Church to Spies Lane, Kent Road and then normal line of route. This is currently impacting services out of Birmingham Apologies for any delays to your journey
UPDATE AT 12.17
45 Year Old Man Dead, 24 Year Old Arrested in Ridgeway Avenue, X8 now resuming normal route and returning to its normal level of complete unreliability
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
There are major disruptions for Blackheath Bus Users Live as the road is closed outside the Classic Cinema disrupting X8 X10 19
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-hagley-road-west-police-17616362.amp
@nxwestmidlands
DIVERSION: #19, #X8, #X10 Due to a police road closure on Hagley Road West services are being diverted from Quinton Church to Spies Lane, Kent Road and then normal line of route. This is currently impacting services out of Birmingham Apologies for any delays to your journey
UPDATE AT 12.17
45 Year Old Man Dead, 24 Year Old Arrested in Ridgeway Avenue, X8 now resuming normal route and returning to its normal level of complete unreliability
You doing it again, you're X8 bashing - why can't just leave it alone, you've made your point many times so please just stop it
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 23, 2020, 01:23:34 PM
You doing it again, you're X8 bashing - why can't just leave it alone, you've made your point many times so please just stop it
Thank your for your kind comments
@Steve3229vp but if you are not interested in my very honest comments about Blackheath Bus Services may I suggest you refrain from clicking on the thread as my comments about the X8 will only cease when the unreliability issues of the service cease I am not going to change my postings or views of the X8 for you or anybody.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 01:39:13 PM
Thank your for your kind comments @Steve3229vp but if you are not interested in my very honest comments about Blackheath Bus Services may I suggest you refrain from clicking on the thread as my comments about the X8 will only cease when the unreliability issues of the service cease I am not going to change my postings or views of the X8 for you or anybody.
Guess the entirety of Quinton came to a standstill this morning. I was stuck in it. Got of the 9 to catch the 24 and it took a good 45 mins from Tesco to harborne baths. Not just the X8 affected
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 23, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
Guess the entirety of Quinton came to a standstill this morning. I was stuck in it. Got of the 9 to catch the 24 and it took a good 45 mins from Tesco to harborne baths. Not just the X8 affected
@Trident4194 awfull loss of life again, a lad I went to school with was knocked down crossing the road the rd to get the 140 home back outside the Classic in 1980 and he still walks with a limp today when I bumped into in Sainsbury's 39 years later it's the killing fields of Quinton there sadly.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
X8 now resuming normal route and returning to its normal level of complete unreliability
What is your measurement to determine service unreliability? What percentage of journeys disrupted and by what time period. Without such information this statement is basically rhetoric with no objective yardstick, unlike the rest of the information in your post which was useful.
I suspect in reality the level of reliability is high and would be even higher if it weren't for the odd unfortunate incident and the Birmingham roadworks which I guess have been agreed by TfWM and Birmingham City Council as a necessary evil to enable a better transport system in the long run.
So I suspect you're generally complaining about something which is caused by TfWM and no other transport user or operator has any control over it.....
If you stopped the platitude/rhetoric nonsense I'm sure everybody would feel a lot better...
Quote from: don on January 23, 2020, 05:11:20 PM
What is your measurement to determine service unreliability? What percentage of journeys disrupted and by what time period. Without such information this statement is basically rhetoric with no objective yardstick, unlike the rest of the information in your post which was useful.
I suspect in reality the level of reliability is high and would be even higher if it weren't for the odd unfortunate incident and the Birmingham roadworks which I guess have been agreed by TfWM and Birmingham City Council as a necessary evil to enable a better transport system in the long run.
So I suspect you're generally complaining about something which is caused by TfWM and no other transport user or operator has any control over it.....
If you stopped the platitude/rhetoric nonsense I'm sure everybody would feel a lot better...
It's really weird
@don the measurement to determine service unreliability or reliability I use personally is oddly standing at the bus stop and then waiting to see if the bus I am waiting for arrives at the stop at the time registered with OfTC that is solely the operators responsibility on a commercial service. I record every journey I use in my diary I carry with me at all times except when I am in the swimming pool and corelate it with the service registration. Operators can amend timetables to reflect planned disruptions and roadworks as the regulatory authorities consult all stakeholders in advance the simple fact sadly is West Midlands Travel Limited is just utterly incompetent. I used to be contracted by DfT/ONS to collect stats which are published annually and I have posted them in another thread for 2019 on this forum and the most unreliable route within the TfWM area monitored by me over a 6hr period with the stats up linked to H M Gov in 2019 was....................
.
So it's not objective - indeed your journey could be the only one delayed - in some cases you and others have stated delay when there wasn't any.
I don't doubt your hard felt opinions on this but what you've described is not an objective measure it's totally subjective and certainly does not justify you concluding that NXWM is an unfit operator and all the other stuff etc etc.
Quote from: don on January 23, 2020, 05:52:05 PM
So it's not objective - indeed your journey could be the only one delayed - in some cases you and others have stated delay when there wasn't any.
I don't doubt your hard felt opinions on this but what you've described is not an objective measure it's totally subjective and certainly does not justify you concluding that NXWM is an unfit operator and all the other stuff etc etc.
When your wearing a yellow high vis and sitting on the same bus route for six hours recording departure and arrival & passenger usage it's not objectivity but simply recording the data I am not allowed to post any of that data here but dont tell
@Tony it was bad news for Blackheath Bus Users I was rather pleased with the final 2019 stats I recorded for H M Gov you would never guess what was officially the most unreliable bus service I recorded that was registered with the OfTC in the TfWM area and that service was.........................
Quote from: don on January 23, 2020, 05:52:05 PM
So it's not objective - indeed your journey could be the only one delayed - in some cases you and others have stated delay when there wasn't any.
I don't doubt your hard felt opinions on this but what you've described is not an objective measure it's totally subjective and certainly does not justify you concluding that NXWM is an unfit operator and all the other stuff etc etc.
It may be just his journey that is delayed but just think of the other people who travle along this route and may be cought up in this delay. No one wants to see two buses running together do they!! I certainly don't like to see ywo buses running together. I have the same problem with one of my local routes, (which I won't mention in this thread as the route is changeing in a couple of day).
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
When your wearing a yellow high vis and sitting on the same bus route for six hours recording departure and arrival & passenger usage it's not objectivity but simply recording the data
Hmm, I thought you said you were an accountant?
I hope the change does make a change!! I doubt it though.
Quote from: Stu on January 23, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Hmm, I thought you said you were an accountant?
I am
@Stu been the principal of our family accountancy practice in Edgbaston since 2001. I go out to visit our clients and take tax cases to HMRC/HMCTS tax tribunals but my cousin who is AAT runs the office day to day. In 2011 the accountancy institute took part in HMRC Working Together and I ended up attached to the BIS, in 2014 I became attached to The Treasury sadly I had to leave the role in 2016 after a bit of bother with Europe and the incoming PM scrapped the working together scheme as she knew better however whilst working alongside the DfT I was asked to join their data recording teams for the DfT/ONS which I continued to do until parliament was dissolved in November and the work ceased and was able to join the forum throughout all this I am still a fully qualified accountant and principal of our family practice hope that clears up any confusion for you.
Rail operators get the opportunity to recover from the organisation providing the infrastructure (Network Rail) for their contribution to delays (eg signalling; level crossing and other failure; delays caused by trees down or OHE problems - travellers can in turn claim delay repay.
Not so on buses - so TfWM create delay by tram works; various organisations relay cables. As bus travel is directly affected by this on regular occasions then it is per se a bit of a lottery - including for a commercial or any other operator. This is likely the main reason for X8 delays.
As for a valid survey, no one in their right mind would propose any transport facility based on I journey - maybe two or three at representative times over several weeks. I'm aware that LA subsidies are often based on very limited survey information - in the dim and distant past I was actually responsible for them amongst a host of other things, for a large local authority. I'm afraid these type of surveys are not statistically valid. Gone are the days when WMPTE carried out proper Transportation surveys that would deliver a coherent network based on defined needs - why - because the overwhelming national political flavour of the last 40 yrs has failed to understand of comprehend how 'to do' transport - or any other public service for that matter. Unfortunately the electorate either don't use the services of get duped by platitudes and rhetoric, or silly politicians who could power an entire fleet of barrage balloons by the hot air they spout!!!
That firms like NXWM manage to provide the excellent quality service they do and remain commercially successful is nothing short of miraculous in my view!!
Quote from: don on January 23, 2020, 06:32:52 PM
Rail operators get the opportunity to recover from the organisation providing the infrastructure (Network Rail) for their contribution to delays (eg signalling; level crossing and other failure; delays caused by trees down or OHE problems - travellers can in turn claim delay repay.
Not so on buses - so TfWM create delay by tram works; various organisations relay cables. As bus travel is directly affected by this on regular occasions then it is per se a bit of a lottery - including for a commercial or any other operator. This is likely the main reason for X8 delays.
As for a valid survey, no one in their right mind would propose any transport facility based on I journey - maybe two or three at representative times over several weeks. I'm aware that LA subsidies are often based on very limited survey information - in the dim and distant past I was actually responsible for them amongst a host of other things, for a large local authority. I'm afraid these type of surveys are not statistically valid. Gone are the days when WMPTE carried out proper Transportation surveys that would deliver a coherent network based on defined needs - why - because the overwhelming national political flavour of the last 40 yrs has failed to understand of comprehend how 'to do' transport. That firms like NXWM manage to provide the excellent quality service they do and remain commercially successful is nothing short of miraculous in my view!!
The delays on the X8
@don are simply down to the utter incompetence of NXWM and its staff at WN nothing else otherwise I would be compaining about the PN13A as well as I am not lets face it they are a olioplic company not fit for purpose. The stats were not based on 1 journey you used to spend 7 days on a route recording the data if you want to look at the stats reports I used to help collate follow the link on one of my other threads it's all in here however I cannot comment publicly on any aspect the data:
2019 H M GOV BUS STATISTICS
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/bus-statistics
Started by richardjones210368
Right firstly Billy you talk and post a load of bullshit
I've been on x10 all day today
I was caught up in the fatal this morning that caused traffic problems
Then going into town the bus lane by the dog public house is out of use the sewage pipe has blown to much shit from blackheath
The traffic was backed up to quinton
Then at five ways it was down to one lane going up to the island
So come on Billy how do buses on the x8 get past all that lot and keep on time going to town
Then at five ways outbound its down to one lane again tram works
ALSO I WOULD SERIOUSLY QUESTION YOUR RESULTS ON SURVEYS FROM SO CALLED BLACKHEATH RESIDENTS
I ASKED A TFWM SUPERVISOR IF HE HAD EVER HEARD OR KNEW OF YOU
AND GUESS WHAT HE SAID NO
Quote from: karl724223 on January 23, 2020, 07:05:46 PM
Right firstly Billy you talk and post a load of bullshit
I've been on x10 all day today
I was caught up in the fatal this morning that caused traffic problems
Then going into town the bus lane by the dog public house is out of use the sewage pipe has blown to much shit from blackheath
The traffic was backed up to quinton
Then at five ways it was down to one lane going up to the island
So come on Billy how do buses on the x8 get past all that lot and keep on time going to town
Then at five ways outbound its down to one lane again tram works
ALSO I WOULD SERIOUSLY QUESTION YOUR RESULTS ON SURVEYS FROM SO CALLED BLACKHEATH RESIDENTS
I ASKED A TFWM SUPERVISOR IF HE HAD EVER HEARD OR KNEW OF YOU
AND GUESS WHAT HE SAID NO
I doubt whether anyone at TfWM have ever heard of me why would they
@karl724223 other than those few who report directly to the WMCA. Why would I have any day to day dealings with TfWM? I have never ever said on this forum i work for TfWM and frankly have very very little to do with them directly? I think you will find the WMCA is separate body with its own governance from TfWM even there I work directly with only one person. The only surveys I do on Blackheath residents are asking normal Blackheath folk at the bus stop and are you not a PN driver as you regularly point out so how can you comment on WN duty workings?
So come on Billy bullshit
I go the same way as the X8 to brum and back from the stag
With what happened this morning how do you suggest the X8 keeps to time
Awaiting your bullshit reply
Quote from: karl724223 on January 23, 2020, 07:05:46 PM
Right firstly Billy you talk and post a load of bullshit
I've been on x10 all day today
I was caught up in the fatal this morning that caused traffic problems
Then going into town the bus lane by the dog public house is out of use the sewage pipe has blown to much shit from blackheath
The traffic was backed up to quinton
Then at five ways it was down to one lane going up to the island
So come on Billy how do buses on the x8 get past all that lot and keep on time going to town
Then at five ways outbound its down to one lane again tram works
ALSO I WOULD SERIOUSLY QUESTION YOUR RESULTS ON SURVEYS FROM SO CALLED BLACKHEATH RESIDENTS
I ASKED A TFWM SUPERVISOR IF HE HAD EVER HEARD OR KNEW OF YOU
AND GUESS WHAT HE SAID NO
Be careful Karl you might get blue penned for a personal attack
Quote from: 900 on January 23, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
Be careful Karl you might get blue penned for a personal attack
No he is fine as a politically active person I happy for any comments good or bad it goes with the territory!
Quote from: karl724223 on January 23, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
So come on Billy bullshit
I go the same way as the X8 to brum and back from the stag
With what happened this morning how do you suggest the X8 keeps to time
Awaiting your bullshit reply
Yes
@karl724223 thats the problem you do not go to Blackheath, Rowley or Dudley know do you frankly I wished you did or move the X8 to PN at least that would be start from the idiots at WN the route management of the X8 is appalling give me the X10 anyday.
TONKA TOY ON 231 SERVICE ALL THIS WEEK BEEN RUNNING AROUND WITH A NON COMPLIANT FRONT DESTINATIN BLIND TO SMALL AND NUMBER ON THE WRONG SIDE
BET YOU HAVNT REPORTED THAT
Quote from: karl724223 on January 23, 2020, 07:36:06 PM
TONKA TOY ON 231 SERVICE ALL THIS WEEK BEEN RUNNING AROUND WITH A NON COMPLIANT FRONT DESTINATIN BLIND TO SMALL AND NUMBER ON THE WRONG SIDE
BET YOU HAVNT REPORTED THAT
I think you will find I have
@karl724223 cannot comment on it further right off for my lane swimming cheers
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 23, 2020, 07:38:33 PM
Think you will find I have @karl724223 right off for my lane swimming cheers
you still haven't answered my question I put to you
Right, I've had enough of this...
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This thread has become 61 pages of mostly drivel, and now comes to a timely end.
The arguments, bickering and rantings stop here.
A firm line is being drawn in the sand. If any member chooses to cross that line after this point, then they will be warned or removed from this forum.