seems the Enviro 400 has had a revamp
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/the-all-new-enviro400-designed-by-the-industry-for-the-industry/ (http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/the-all-new-enviro400-designed-by-the-industry-for-the-industry/)
Thanks for posting that link Stu.
I actually quite like it and it reminds me of the MCV decker and almost the Levante coach at the front with those lights.
In the right livery it could look quite nice.
Anyone know what is happening with the e200/300 for euro6
I think it looks good! At least they haven't fallen into Volvo's trap of making the windows tiny! If anything they look bigger
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2014, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
seems the Enviro 400 has had a revamp
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/the-all-new-enviro400-designed-by-the-industry-for-the-industry/
And from June onwards we will get to see the new facelifted E400 in the NX fleet. Tbh i prefer the current design....
I wouldn't have though that any are due this summer if ADL have only announced details of the new design today. I would think they would be the current design and the design might change over towards the end of 2014?
I quite like the revised design, as per DiamondDart comments the headlight cluster do look very 'Caetano Levante'
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
Thanks for posting that link Stu.
I actually quite like it and it reminds me of the MCV decker
I thought exactly the same thing, it looks very good. Lets hope the ones NX get keep the black light surrounds, although I doubt it. The only thing I would say is that the way the red side panels curve towards the centre of the front round the upper windscreen looks slightly awkward.
There's a couple more photos here:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/enviro400-euro6/
An excellent design. I like the wrap-around windscreen particularly. I look forward to seeing these around Birmingham.
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2014, 10:23:53 PM
Winston, Wssn't it mentioned by BN that the first of the new deliveries were in June (Please correct me if i'm wrong)? I suppose if this is the case then could these possibly be E200's for WA like mentioned during the WA tour?
It was, the dates could have gone back a bit by now?
We still don't actually know what types/quantities are due of the 100 new ADL vehicles due during the second half of this year
We were only told that WA garage had bid for E200's, it doesn't mean they will get them. Plans / allocations have probably changed numerous times since then.
Quote from: N94 on May 01, 2014, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
Thanks for posting that link Stu.
I actually quite like it and it reminds me of the MCV decker
I thought exactly the same thing, it looks very good. Lets hope the ones NX get keep the black light surrounds, although I doubt it. The only thing I would say is that the way the red side panels curve towards the centre of the front round the upper windscreen looks slightly awkward.
There's a couple more photos here:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/enviro400-euro6/
The shaping of the rear engine compartment & light clusters give an air of coach styling
A quick mock-up of what it might look like in NX livery...
Quote from: N94 on May 01, 2014, 10:56:35 PM
A quick mock-up of what it might look like in NX livery...
You are good N94!!! Thanks a lot for posting. After looking at it again I have decided it would look better if the upper deck windscreen didn't bulge forwards. Reminds me slightly of the distinctive Nottingham decker design in that respect. Looks ok tho in NX livery.
Quote from: Winston on May 01, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2014, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
seems the Enviro 400 has had a revamp
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/the-all-new-enviro400-designed-by-the-industry-for-the-industry/
And from June onwards we will get to see the new facelifted E400 in the NX fleet. Tbh i prefer the current design....
I wouldn't have though that any are due this summer if ADL have only announced details of the new design today. I would think they would be the current design and the design might change over towards the end of 2014?
I quite like the revised design, as per DiamondDart comments the headlight cluster do look very 'Caetano Levante'
Whilst the design has only just been formally unveiled, this picture from late January appears to show an albeit heavily disguised version of the new design - it does look to be the same as that on the ADL website - so maybe we can expect to see these quite soon?
https://cy-gb.facebook.com/busesingapore/posts/1483514995209164
I assume the bodywork will be available on other chassis too, and not just as part of a complete ADL product.
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 11:24:13 PM
I assume the bodywork will be available on other chassis too, and not just as part of a complete ADL product.
Well I assume these will have the facelifted bodywork but as mentioned in another thread Stagecoach have purchased 18 ADL bodied Volvo B5L Hybrids for its Tayside operation:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/stagecoach-orders-adl-bodied-volvo-hybrids/
Quote from: Mike K on May 01, 2014, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 01, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2014, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
seems the Enviro 400 has had a revamp
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/the-all-new-enviro400-designed-by-the-industry-for-the-industry/
And from June onwards we will get to see the new facelifted E400 in the NX fleet. Tbh i prefer the current design....
I wouldn't have though that any are due this summer if ADL have only announced details of the new design today. I would think they would be the current design and the design might change over towards the end of 2014?
I quite like the revised design, as per DiamondDart comments the headlight cluster do look very 'Caetano Levante'
Whilst the design has only just been formally unveiled, this picture from late January appears to show an albeit heavily disguised version of the new design - it does look to be the same as that on the ADL website - so maybe we can expect to see these quite soon?
https://cy-gb.facebook.com/busesingapore/posts/1483514995209164
You may well be right, I'm surprised it's been kept under raps this long. The windscreen does look to be rectangular on that photo, but it could be camouflaged?
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2014, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 01, 2014, 11:24:13 PM
I assume the bodywork will be available on other chassis too, and not just as part of a complete ADL product.
Well I assume these will have the facelifted bodywork but as mentioned in another thread Stagecoach have purchased 18 ADL bodied Volvo B5L Hybrids for its Tayside operation:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/stagecoach-orders-adl-bodied-volvo-hybrids/
It says in the article 'with a new style ADL double deck bodywork'
Have to say this impresses me 100 times more than the Gemini 3, kind of looks like the MCV decker and Levante had some influence imo but I'm just glad it actually looks like a bus, rather than a big plastic box.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 02, 2014, 08:47:10 PM
Have to say this impresses me 100 times more than the Gemini 3, kind of looks like the MCV decker and Levante had some influence imo but I'm just glad it actually looks like a bus, rather than a big plastic box.
Another press release from Alexander dennis
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/80m-flying-start-for-enviro400-as-adl-also-confirms-175m-export-wins/
Are there any pictures of the rear yet apart from this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dy709qPf7Mk/UvqXB23aHuI/AAAAAAAAAmw/RN7VdxRwIfQ/s1600/1798925_477673805678381_1232847791_o.jpg
It's looks amazing! :D - Although, i'd probably still stick to the current one, For now... Definitely looks WAYYY Better than the Volvo buses, and imo, takes over the NBfL (Borismasters, now, aren't they, not really so new) by a tiny bit! I can't wait to see them on our roads... (That's if NX keeps placing orders with ADL, which I highly suspect might keep happening for the coming years.)
EDIT: Personally, I'd think they'd benefit from producing this as another type of vehicle altogether, like the E300 & E350H. Possibly E450?
There's a good picture of the non London spec model here:
https://twitter.com/passtrans/status/462164811045154816/photo/1
Looks very smart. Although I doubt, unfortunately, that NXWM will go for the bonded glazed version pictured here.
not brilliant but I've mocked up an Enviro 200 with the new front.
If the new ADL quick release system of glass replacement is available for bonded glass examples, I'm sure they will jump at the chance.
Glass replacement in 3minutes? They'd be mad not to!
Quote from: Gareth on May 03, 2014, 02:36:58 PM
If the new ADL quick release system of glass replacement is available for bonded glass examples, I'm sure they will jump at the chance.
Glass replacement in 3minutes? They'd be mad not to!
I was wondering if the quick glass replacement system referred to bonded or gasket glazed examples.
If available on bonded glazing then in theory the main reason not to buy it would be gone.
It could be that the new bonded glass exlpains the pictures of the E200 shown in the announcement of the £100m order. The vehicle shown could be the first for NX.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on May 03, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
It could be that the new bonded glass exlpains the pictures of the E200 shown in the announcement of the £100m order. The vehicle shown could be the first for NX.
It didn't have a NX interior, the handrails were yellow
Quote from: Winston on May 03, 2014, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on May 03, 2014, 06:19:09 PM
It could be that the new bonded glass exlpains the pictures of the E200 shown in the announcement of the £100m order. The vehicle shown could be the first for NX.
It didn't have a NX interior, the handrails were yellow
And was a short base example. NX's (If they keep the same practice) will be Long Wheelbase
I hope they do switch to Bonded glazing now, it looks much better.
Quote from: Andrew on May 02, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Are there any pictures of the rear yet apart from this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dy709qPf7Mk/UvqXB23aHuI/AAAAAAAAAmw/RN7VdxRwIfQ/s1600/1798925_477673805678381_1232847791_o.jpg
There's one of the London type in the pdf file that ADL has. It's of the new Eurp 6 Specs, although, the picture is quite small...
Don't know if pdf links work on here but here it is:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398943981NewEnviro400specification.pdf
Quote from: clayderman on May 03, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Andrew on May 02, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Are there any pictures of the rear yet apart from this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dy709qPf7Mk/UvqXB23aHuI/AAAAAAAAAmw/RN7VdxRwIfQ/s1600/1798925_477673805678381_1232847791_o.jpg
There's one of the London type in the pdf file that ADL has. It's of the new Eurp 6 Specs, although, the picture is quite small...
Don't know if pdf links work on here but here it is:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398943981NewEnviro400specification.pdf
Hopefully the back is gloss black
Love it. Well done ADL. I really hope the 'new' engines/ECU don't suffer the same lag that the current E400 has. Although, I suspect it's NXWM's idea with fuel economy etc. They've nearly eliminated kick-down totally on new XF boxes, the ones most prone to doing it!
Although I'd say again, absolute top work from ADL here.
Quote from: clayderman on May 03, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Andrew on May 02, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Are there any pictures of the rear yet apart from this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dy709qPf7Mk/UvqXB23aHuI/AAAAAAAAAmw/RN7VdxRwIfQ/s1600/1798925_477673805678381_1232847791_o.jpg
There's one of the London type in the pdf file that ADL has. It's of the new Eurp 6 Specs, although, the picture is quite small...
Don't know if pdf links work on here but here it is:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398943981NewEnviro400specification.pdf
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398944137NewEnviro400brochure.pdf
from looking at the pictures in the brochure, the windows are changed from inside and the seat behind the driver has been removed
Quote from: Nathan on May 04, 2014, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 04, 2014, 08:50:10 PM
Love it. Well done ADL. I really hope the 'new' engines/ECU don't suffer the same lag that the current E400 has. Although, I suspect it's NXWM's idea with fuel economy etc. They've nearly eliminated kick-down totally on new XF boxes, the ones most prone to doing it!
Although I'd say again, absolute top work from ADL here.
Certainly 100x better than the Gemini 3 bodywork ;)
Btw i guess XF is a typo for ZF? ;)
Sorry, yes, typo!
Quote from: Andrew on May 05, 2014, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 03, 2014, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Andrew on May 02, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Are there any pictures of the rear yet apart from this one http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dy709qPf7Mk/UvqXB23aHuI/AAAAAAAAAmw/RN7VdxRwIfQ/s1600/1798925_477673805678381_1232847791_o.jpg
There's one of the London type in the pdf file that ADL has. It's of the new Eurp 6 Specs, although, the picture is quite small...
Don't know if pdf links work on here but here it is:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398943981NewEnviro400specification.pdf
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1398944137NewEnviro400brochure.pdf
from looking at the pictures in the brochure, the windows are changed from inside and the seat behind the driver has been removed
Yes, this is correct. It's more of a latch system that I can see, hence why it can get changed in 3 minutes.
Which length will NXWM have? The short length 10.3m now has 74 seats. What length are the current E400s?
Quote from: Stevo on May 07, 2014, 06:17:33 PM
Which length will NXWM have? The short length 10.3m now has 74 seats. What length are the current E400s?
We haven't got long to wait now, some should be built next month
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I haven't seen the list yet.
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I haven't seen the list yet.
No worries-I'm just surprised NX don't want to show off a bit more about how good the new buses that will soon be arriving are.
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I haven't seen the list yet.
No worries-I'm just surprised NX don't want to show off a bit more about how good the new buses that will soon be arriving are.
I know about the first batch, but have been swarn
to secrecy.
Quote from: BN on May 07, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I haven't seen the list yet.
No worries-I'm just surprised NX don't want to show off a bit more about how good the new buses that will soon be arriving are.
I know about the first batch, but have been swarn
to secrecy.
Do you think the location of the first batch is likely to spark any surprises from us bus liking types BN?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 07, 2014, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: BN on May 07, 2014, 07:51:44 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 07:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I haven't seen the list yet.
No worries-I'm just surprised NX don't want to show off a bit more about how good the new buses that will soon be arriving are.
I know about the first batch, but have been swarn
to secrecy.
Do you think the location of the first batch is likely to spark any surprises from us bus liking types BN?
Please don't ask him for clues, I know I am told I can only reveal allocations once the first one arrives
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I'd imagine WN? They seem to lack newer buses, despite the recent B7RLEs and E400H's. But from what I see, most of their fleet are made up of Tridents (Possibly to replace the Spectras?) . If not WN, then AG - definitely lacking some ADL vehicles there! :D
Quote from: clayderman on May 07, 2014, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I'd imagine WN? They seem to lack newer buses, despite the recent B7RLEs and E400H's. But from what I see, most of their fleet are made up of Tridents (Possibly to replace the Spectras?) . If not WN, then AG - definitely lacking some ADL vehicles there! :D
I'd say BC for the Pershore/Bristol Road Routes :)
Quote from: Nathan on May 07, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 07, 2014, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I'd imagine WN? They seem to lack newer buses, despite the recent B7RLEs and E400H's. But from what I see, most of their fleet are made up of Tridents (Possibly to replace the Spectras?) . If not WN, then AG - definitely lacking some ADL vehicles there! :D
WN are not having any new buses this year. My money is on BC recieving the first batch of the new order with cascaded Tridents to WN and PE to replace the remaining mercs there
I would think BC will most likely receive some of new E400's due in summer 2014, but I'd be very surprised if both the Pershore & Bristol Roads got upgraded within the same year, that would be swallow circa 50 new buses.
Dundee also look set to be getting 10 x Y-reg Tridents from NXWM for new Fife schools work gained from August, as BC still has 55 of these Tridents, chances are that is the most likely source.
Hope NXWM pull their finger out and sort out the 94. Find it embarrassing that the competition continue to investment in new vehicles i.e 14 plates etc. Just my humble view had to say that as not said it in a while.
Quote from: Winston on May 07, 2014, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 07, 2014, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 07, 2014, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 07, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
Do we have any more indication of where they might be going and what they might be replacing?
I'd imagine WN? They seem to lack newer buses, despite the recent B7RLEs and E400H's. But from what I see, most of their fleet are made up of Tridents (Possibly to replace the Spectras?) . If not WN, then AG - definitely lacking some ADL vehicles there! :D
WN are not having any new buses this year. My money is on BC recieving the first batch of the new order with cascaded Tridents to WN and PE to replace the remaining mercs there
I would think BC will most likely receive some of new E400's due in summer 2014, but I'd be very surprised if both the Pershore & Bristol Roads got upgraded within the same year, that would be swallow circa 50 new buses.
Dundee also look set to be getting 10 x Y-reg Tridents from NXWM for new Fife schools work gained from August, as BC still has 55 of these Tridents, chances are that is the most likely source.
If so, and if BC is planning on replacing their tridents, better make the most of my journeys to school! :D
WB hasn't had new deckers for 8 years..
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 08, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
WB hasn't had new deckers for 8 years..
I'd like to see some of these at WB and maybe they'll get a few but as many have stated before, WB desperately needs new full size singles as a priority. We currently only have little over a dozen single deckers that over 15 years old and that number needs to come up sooner rather than later.
Quote from: JackC on May 08, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 08, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
WB hasn't had new deckers for 8 years..
I'd like to see some of these at WB and maybe they'll get a few but as many have stated before, WB desperately needs new full size singles as a priority. We currently only have little over a dozen single deckers that over 15 years old and that number needs to come up sooner rather than later.
I think they'd be great for the 48, y'know, to step up their game a bit to match the rest of the Harborne Buses, otherwise, do something with the 53? The 82 & 87 are already top-notch, they don't need upgrading, but maybe the 83/89? Or 74/75?
Quote from: clayderman on May 08, 2014, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: JackC on May 08, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 08, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
WB hasn't had new deckers for 8 years..
I'd like to see some of these at WB and maybe they'll get a few but as many have stated before, WB desperately needs new full size singles as a priority. We currently only have little over a dozen single deckers that over 15 years old and that number needs to come up sooner rather than later.
I think they'd be great for the 48, y'know, to step up their game a bit to match the rest of the Harborne Buses, otherwise, do something with the 53? The 82 & 87 are already top-notch, they don't need upgrading, but maybe the 83/89? Or 74/75?
Either 82/87 and 74/75 would get first dibs on new buses you would think as they're showcase routes. Everything else has sufficiently adequate deckers already
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 08, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 08, 2014, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: JackC on May 08, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 08, 2014, 12:27:19 AM
WB hasn't had new deckers for 8 years..
I'd like to see some of these at WB and maybe they'll get a few but as many have stated before, WB desperately needs new full size singles as a priority. We currently only have little over a dozen single deckers that over 15 years old and that number needs to come up sooner rather than later.
I think they'd be great for the 48, y'know, to step up their game a bit to match the rest of the Harborne Buses, otherwise, do something with the 53? The 82 & 87 are already top-notch, they don't need upgrading, but maybe the 83/89? Or 74/75?
Either 82/87 and 74/75 would get first dibs on new buses you would think as they're showcase routes. Everything else has sufficiently adequate deckers already
Despite WB recently claiming a few new E200's! Also, i've noticed, WB's B7TL ALX400 is slightly slower than PB's B7TL ALX400/Gemini, when it comes to climbing Hockley Hill/Constitution Hill. Which is why I prefer journeys on the 16! :) (Still, I'd want to see the Stratford Road having a few of these new E400s, on services like the 2 & 3? They could change the frequency, if so...)
I'm going to say Coventry, just to be different :P I do think WB have more of a chance though.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 08, 2014, 09:36:04 PM
I'm going to say Coventry, just to be different :P
I'll be very different then and say AG for the circle. ;)
Nothing wrong with the Presidents on the O/C, they have a couple of years left in them yet ;) However Enviros at AG is an interesting thought
Quote from: trident4370 on May 08, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Nothing wrong with the Presidents on the O/C, they have a couple of years left in them yet ;) However Enviros at AG is an interesting thought
The presidents may have a couple of years left in them yet, but can they continue to operate the O/C, as they get older and older, breakdowns will no doubt increase and the 11 route isn't the easiest if a breakdown requires a tow back to Acocks Green.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 08, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 08, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Nothing wrong with the Presidents on the O/C, they have a couple of years left in them yet ;) However Enviros at AG is an interesting thought
The presidents may have a couple of years left in them yet, but can they continue to operate the O/C, as they get older and older, breakdowns will no doubt increase and the 11 route isn't the easiest if a breakdown requires a tow back to Acocks Green.
True, but an end of an era would probably be a start of a new one in this case! lol.
I suppose you are right Stu but I'd imagine NX will act when that becomes a major problem. I just don't see why people are so fascinated with the 11 having new all the while!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 08, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Nothing wrong with the Presidents on the O/C, they have a couple of years left in them yet ;) However Enviros at AG is an interesting thought
Yeah, the Presidents are doing a good job on the Outer Circle for the time being. I'd like to see the 11 go back to 100% Gemini, probably won't see that again though
I definitely think when the presidents do go, the Geminis should be refurbed and return, maybe even rebranded again! I think new Enviro 400 on there would be a waste tbh.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 08, 2014, 10:52:04 PM
I definitely think when the presidents do go, the Geminis should be refurbed and return, maybe even rebranded again! I think new Enviro 400 on there would be a waste tbh.
Agreed! We can only dream and hope. Enviro's.. In fact anything Alexander Dennis would look strange on the Outer Circle. Can see first batch Enviros going on either Dudley or Pershore Roads, but that's just a hunch
I'd agree about putting refurbed Geminis on the 11. The Geminis are still excellent buses and suit the 11 well
Just read in this article that the new E400 won't have the option of gasket glazed windows which is excellent news:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/operators-bus/
HI guys. Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between gasket glazed windows and bond glazing if that's the other option. Also loving the new design. The revised seating at the back looks comfy as.
Quote from: danny on May 15, 2014, 12:10:23 AM
HI guys. Excuse my ignorance but what is the difference between gasket glazed windows and bond glazing if that's the other option. Also loving the new design. The revised seating at the back looks comfy as.
Bonded glazing is generally more aesthetic & is alleged to aid structural integrity. The main difference though is downtime when some oik puts a window through. You can replace gasket glazing & have the bus back on the road in under an hour, the glass & glue residue is more difficult to remove from bonded glazing & there's about a 24 hour* curing time
* Or there was the last time I enquired.
The only problem with glass aiding structural integrity is that when several windows are broken the strength of the vehicle is compromised. A TWM manager told me when the B10Ls entered service on Line 33 that if three windows are broken, the vehicle can't be driven until strengthening has been fitted.
Interesting to see that the E200 will have an automated manual transmission. I wonder if they'll be at all like B5LHs, which have AMT.
Hoped that NX to get this first, oh well...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/14201326104/
There's a full article in this months Buses Magazine on Page 23-26
Quote from: Sayeed_M on May 17, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Hoped that NX to get this first, oh well...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/14201326104/
Bound to be Stagecoach first, particularly the fact the Brian Souter privately owns a stake in ADL
Firsts of all thanks @dave47449 for explaining the glass types. Secondly WOW. Loving the actual new enviro now seeing it in a livery. Hopefully NXWMs will look just as good and set a new standard of style for the surrounding area.
Quote from: danny on May 18, 2014, 01:34:40 AM
Firsts of all thanks @dave47449 for explaining the glass types. Secondly WOW. Loving the actual new enviro now seeing it in a livery. Hopefully NXWMs will look just as good and set a new standard of style for the surrounding area.
That's the general consensus across our community it seems. I think this has made more of a storm then the first E400's and the second "facelift" was just pathetic to be honest.
Some good pictures of the London spec demo new E400 on the M6 here, including a rear view:
http://benjibusesnewsandviews.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/bus-and-coach-news-and-views-updated_11.html?m=1
I always preferred Volvo / Wright products over ADL, but I have to say this knocks spots off the new Gemini 3.
Any ideas for fleet numbers for the new Enviros?
Could be from 4940 upwards,but my bet is they will be 3001 upwards.
@arrifirststage 4900 upwards I would think. The Hybrids are 54** & 55**, so there's plenty of space
Quote from: arrifirststage on May 18, 2014, 07:54:30 PM
Any ideas for fleet numbers for the new Enviros?
Could be from 4940 upwards,but my bet is they will be 3001 upwards.
4940 is a near certainty I would've thought!
Shows your age when with certain fleet numbers mentioned, you remember what the previous bus to hold that particular number was!
I guess that was a Fleetline.
The Eclipses that begin 2001, I remember those being Mark One Metrobuses!
There has so far never been a 4940 in the West Midlands fleet. However some of the Midland Red D9s in the 494* batch did pass to WMPTE.
Been reported on London Bus Group that the new Enviro 400 (Enviro 400 MMC) was launched today at Wembley Stadium.
There's an article on the E400 MMC in the new BUSES magazine. It also mentions that NXWM will be taking the new 400's
Quote from: Gareth on May 21, 2014, 12:05:06 AM
There's an article on the E400 MMC in the new BUSES magazine. It also mentions that NXWM will be taking the new 400's
I already mentioned it on the last page Gareth :) It also mentions as long as Euro 5 is avaliable the old E400 model will still be avaliable
Looks like there's now competition...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cybertect/14257349733/
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 21, 2014, 03:04:29 PM
Looks like there's now competition...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cybertect/14257349733/
News article here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10846546/Metrodecker-the-new-London-bus.html
Eek! It's awfully exciting.
Although that MetroDecker has some questionable design, I do quite like it!
Indeed, doesn't look at half as well put together as does the E400, in hindsight.
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 21, 2014, 03:04:29 PM
Looks like there's now competition...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cybertect/14257349733/
Looks like the double deck version of the Optare Metrocity Midibus designed to TfL Spec for London Operators:
http://www.optare.com/pr_08_10_13.htm
Will be interesting to see if there is much interest in this in London, there are still 300+ New Routemasters to arrive over the next 18 months/ 2 years, plus the Enviro 400 is popular in London also.
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/100m-deal-set-to-revitalise-national-express-fleets-and-boost-uk-bus-industry/
I guess they are getting some Euro6 vehicles after all. :D
Quote from: clayderman on May 22, 2014, 09:02:15 PM
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/100m-deal-set-to-revitalise-national-express-fleets-and-boost-uk-bus-industry/
I guess they are getting some Euro6 vehicles after all. :D
Yes i think it was mentioned further back in the thread that the next batch onwards will have Euro 6 engines (The MMC E400 isn't avaliable with Euro 5)
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: clayderman on May 22, 2014, 09:02:15 PM
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/news/100m-deal-set-to-revitalise-national-express-fleets-and-boost-uk-bus-industry/
I guess they are getting some Euro6 vehicles after all. :D
Yes i think it was mentioned further back in the thread that the next batch onwards will have Euro 6 engines (The MMC E400 isn't avaliable with Euro 5)
Are we sure that the first batch of Euro 6 double deckers will actually be E400 MMC's? Or could they be the current E400 design with Euro 6 engines similar to First 33788 ?
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
EDIT: I have just found out my copy of last months edition of Buses (May Edition on sale Mid April) .
There is an article on page 10 about the NX/ADL five year contract entitled 'Alexander Dennis Wins entire five-year order from NatEx'
It says:
"National Express Group has placed a groundbreaking order with Alexander Dennis to meet all its UK Bus requirements for the next five years. The mix of single- and double-deckers,all with Euro 6 engines, will go to its West Midlands and Dundee fleets beginning in the second half of this year. In all, NatEx anticipates taking around 600 vehicles by 2018, starting this year with 100-plus and settling at 125 a year for the next 4 years. The single-deckers will be midi-size, currently represented by the Enviro 200,
While the double deckers will be of the new generation Enviro400 successor expected to be unveiled in May
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
@Nathan @Winston With National Express making this sort of commitement to ADL, i wonder what sort of price or discount ADL are offering?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 22, 2014, 11:02:43 PM
@Nathan @Winston With National Express making this sort of commitement to ADL, i wonder what sort of price or discount ADL are offering?
I can't imagine they'd get much of a discount as such, but the rule of thumb with these sort of things is the more units you buy, the less you pay for each unit
Quote from: Matt on May 22, 2014, 11:09:24 PM
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@Nathan @Winston With National Express making this sort of commitement to ADL, i wonder what sort of price or discount ADL are offering?
I can't imagine they'd get much of a discount as such, but the rule of thumb with these sort of things is the more units you buy, the less you pay for each unit
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I should imagine there was some incentive, as it guarantees ADL orders/production for the next five years and production slots can be booked well in advance
I'd imagine whatever deal it was, either unit price or aftercare or both, it was extremely attractive!
@Nathan Buses Magazine isn't always the most reliable source of info, but at the time of the NX deal being announced, the E400 MMC had yet to be publically launched by ADL. That could be the reason why details at the time of the NX deal were a bit vague.
I'm now looking forward to seeing the first delivered, it could explain why NX have waited until the second half of 2014 for deliveries, as they now need to take delivery on 274 new buses in little over a year to meet their commitments to Centro
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
Quote from: BN on May 23, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
Thanks BN, I thought it seemed a bit soon for full production to start after only launching the E400 MMC this month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDdJPzqoc0o
Quite long, but somewhat a documentary of how ADL has developed their buses over the past 2 years but mainly about MMC (Major Model Change).
EDIT: From 12:40, it's more of a review (only of the TfL spec)
Quote from: BN on May 23, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
The first batch
due to arrive in the West Midlands in August have now been allocated fleetnumbers, registrations and body numbers. They are on the main site at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Changes at the DVLA and closure of the Birmingham LVLO mean these are being registered by Alexander Dennis.
Short E200s will probably arrive before these.
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: BN on May 23, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
The first batch due to arrive in the West Midlands in August have now been allocated fleetnumbers, registrations and body numbers. They are on the main site at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Changes at the DVLA and closure of the Birmingham LVLO mean these are being registered by Alexander Dennis.
Short E200s will probably arrive before these.
Thanks for the info Tony. Shame that they're no longer locally registered. So we now know 20 of these are coming in August-hope my maths is right :P-and then some e200's around July.
Is it safe to assume the e200's will be for WB but as for the e400's-anyone got any ideas?
MMC? Do we know?
Don't think so, seating numbers are the same, sure the MMC has a couple more?
I might have a guess that these are for WB; there's 20 of them and there are currently 21 Mercedes 0-405s at WB. Although would they replace all single decks with double decks? Another thought would be the replacement of the Optare Spectras - there are 20 Spectras at Wolverhampton - same number as the new Enviro 400s.
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: BN on May 23, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
The first batch due to arrive in the West Midlands in August have now been allocated fleetnumbers, registrations and body numbers. They are on the main site at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Changes at the DVLA and closure of the Birmingham LVLO mean these are being registered by Alexander Dennis.
Short E200s will probably arrive before these.
I hadn't realised all local DVLA offices had closed. Does this mean all future vehicles will be registered by the manufacturer? That would be a great shame and the end of a long era of locally registered vehicles. I noticed on trip to Manchester recently that some of Stagecoach's newest E400s carry Scottish plates whereas most vehicles before have carried Manchester plates. Would this be for the same reason?
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
I might have a guess that these are for WB; there's 20 of them and there are currently 21 Mercedes 0-405s at WB. Although would they replace all single decks with double decks? Another thought would be the replacement of the Optare Spectras - there are 20 Spectras at Wolverhampton - same number as the new Enviro 400s.
The Spectra's will be in service till next year at the earliest so i've been told. Only buses that will most likley be replaced at WN over the coming months are the Mercs (With cascaded Tridents)
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: BN on May 23, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 22, 2014, 09:49:14 PM
@Winston i'm sure i read somewhere that NX are having the new MMC Euro 6 E400's.
Will double check now to see if i can find the article i read
It will be good if they are going to all be MMC's, as it's pretty damn stylish. I think ADL have excelled themselves on this project, the revamp appears far superior to Wrightbus Gemini 3. The MMC may be part of the reason why NX have chosen ADL solely for the next five years.
I don't think I've seen two different articles that actually state the same quantities...... ???
I'm sure that the first batch are the normal E400 diesel and also the xmas deliveries.
The first batch due to arrive in the West Midlands in August have now been allocated fleetnumbers, registrations and body numbers. They are on the main site at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Changes at the DVLA and closure of the Birmingham LVLO mean these are being registered by Alexander Dennis.
Short E200s will probably arrive before these.
Do we know if the E400s or new single deckers will be used for the Commonwealth Games contract before being used in normal service? Or will existing vehicles be used?
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Short E200s will probably arrive before these.
You say short, actual short wheelbase ones or more of the same?
Pity if the 400's are not MMC. ADL offloading 'old' models unwanted by other operators on NXWM or NX going for the cheaper model whilst it's still available?
Quote from: RW on June 07, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Pity if the 400's are not MMC. ADL offloading 'old' models unwanted by other operators on NXWM or NX going for the cheaper model whilst it's still available?
ADL aren't offloading 'old' models as they are all made to order!
Operators which will be taking E400 MMC this year only seem to be taking smaller quantities, so I don't think this type will enter full production until end of 2014/early 2015
The April 27th 654 timetable shows WB as the garage for lost property not PB. Is this a mistake, or will the 645 transfer to WB, when they receive the new short Enviro 200's?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 07, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
The April 27th 654 timetable shows WB as the garage for lost property not PB. Is this a mistake, or will the 645 transfer to WB, when they receive the new short Enviro 200's?
Ok I've definitely missed something here (been away from the forum for a few months) Short E200s? Makes sence to replace the darts and solos, but don't recall seeing any mention of it on here?
Quote from: Kevin on June 08, 2014, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 07, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
The April 27th 654 timetable shows WB as the garage for lost property not PB. Is this a mistake, or will the 645 transfer to WB, when they receive the new short Enviro 200's?
Ok I've definitely missed something here (been away from the forum for a few months) Short E200s? Makes sence to replace the darts and solos, but don't recall seeing any mention of it on here?
Yup short E200s. Sorry everyone else for repeating what must have been mentioned before, but the NX order is for both short (mini) and midi type E200s and the E400 double decks.
I'm not sure if I'm correct here but I'm sure I read somewhere that the MMC Enviro400 will be produced exclusively at Scarborough. Perhaps the initial 2014 orders including this 20 for NXWM are being produced in Falkirk as Scarborough may need time to adjust to producing the MMC version? After all, the prototype MMCs were made in Falkirk.
Quote from: Pulsar on June 08, 2014, 11:00:43 AM
I'm not sure if I'm correct here but I'm sure I read somewhere that the MMC Enviro400 will be produced exclusively at Scarborough. Perhaps the initial 2014 orders including this 20 for NXWM are being produced in Falkirk as Scarborough may need time to adjust to producing the MMC version? After all, the prototype MMCs were made in Falkirk.
The first batch of E400's for NXWM are the old version.
Which depot is to have the 1st batch of
the envrio E400 in august
With it being a figure of 20, sounds like it going to be a singular route as would not be enough to cover a corridor i.e 45/47 or 61/62/63.
Someone mentioned the 74 but would they convert the 74 and not the 75.
So maybe could be e.g 16 or 126 bla bla bla.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 02:26:17 PM
With it being a figure of 20, sounds like it going to be a singular route as would not be enough to cover a corridor i.e 45/47 or 61/62/63.
Someone mentioned the 74 but would they convert the 74 and not the 75.
So maybe could be e.g 16 or 126 bla bla bla.
YW for the 50?
Don't think there are enough for the 50; there are 25 57 reg Enviro 400s which were ordered for and still are used for the 50. Although YW does deserve some new double decks soon - next year perhaps?
What is the PVR of the 94?
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Quote from: John on June 08, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.
No reason why they couldn't be split between more than one garage, like the 13 plates
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high
enough for 20.
Isn't there supposed to be 10 Y tridents heading to dundee for school contracts only WA,BC,CV,PN have any, PN & CV i doubt will lose any so BC,WA most probable location for E400 suggested YW because tridents could move from there to replace any BC or WA Y reg tridents that may go to dundee?
Quote from: Matt on June 08, 2014, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.
No reason why they couldn't be split between more than one garage, like the 13 plates
I did think that but If the PVR on the 94 IS 15, then you'd need at least 1 spare probably 2. For arguments sake say 1 that only leaves 4 buses. On the other hand there is PB38?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 02:26:17 PM
With it being a figure of 20, sounds like it going to be a singular route as would not be enough to cover a corridor i.e 45/47 or 61/62/63.
Someone mentioned the 74 but would they convert the 74 and not the 75.
So maybe could be e.g 16 or 126 bla bla bla.
No new buses for WN this year so not for the 126 :)
I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.
I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
Travel London took the bulk of NX double decker deliveries for new Tfl contract wins during that year
Quote from: Winston on June 08, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.
I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
Travel London took the bulk of NX double decker deliveries for new Tfl contract wins during that year
Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 08, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.
I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's
Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.
To be fair the 94 is long overdue an upgrade with a new fleet, particularly as Claribels puts new buses on the route annually. NX don't seem too bothered by Claribels existence, not like some independent operators over the years....
NXWM probably have got secret share in Claribels or have a deal with them as they might be ex TWM people involved. Also the fact that they have put new buses on that corridors probably means they have less pressure from Centro and they don't have to bother. Again not meaning to be cynical lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
NXWM probably have got secret share in Claribels or have a deal with them as they might be ex TWM people involved. Also the fact that they have put new buses on that corridors probably means they have less pressure from Centro and they don't have to bother. Again not meaning to be cynical lol.
Claribels is a family owned company with the mother & three sons all directors of both Claribels & Birmingham International coaches. Unless it's a joint fleet/infrastructure upgrade between NX & Centro, it's generally up to NX where they choose to allocate new investment.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
They should upgrade the 16.
I did hear garage whispers a few weeks ago, but no idea if there is any truth in what I heard
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
I was thinking the 20 x Enviros could be for the Pershore Road, that PVR of that corridor couldn't be any more than 23 buses, so the unbranded 63 regs could also be used on the Pershore Road buses:
20 x Enviro400s new to BC
20 x Tridents BC to PE
20 x O405N PE to withdrawn
And if WB were to receive any E400s this year:
? x Enviro400s new to WB
8 x Gemini (46**/54 reg) WB to AG
8 x President AG to WB
? X B6LE & O405N WB to withdrawn
So people think the likely contenders are as follows:-
If PB = 16 or 94
If BC = 45/47
I put my money on 45/47
What about 20 to PE to upgrade the 9. The PVR for the 9 must be around 20 buses
The current 09 plate E400s have very high mileage and at one time were due to be swapped with YW 57 plate E400s
This would release 20 09 plate E400s to another depot and maybe cascade 20 tridents back to PE as Merc replacements
@Wolves256 it will certainly be interesting to see more e400s at Pensnett, especially with the e200s I assume are due too
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 02:15:48 PM
I was thinking the 20 x Enviros could be for the Pershore Road, that PVR of that corridor couldn't be any more than 23 buses, so the unbranded 63 regs could also be used on the Pershore Road buses:
20 x Enviro400s new to BC
20 x Tridents BC to PE
20 x O405N PE to withdrawn
And if WB were to receive any E400s this year:
? x Enviro400s new to WB
8 x Gemini (46**/54 reg) WB to AG
8 x President AG to WB
? X B6LE & O405N WB to withdrawn
WB aren't due any new deckers this year, wbdriver has already confirmed that 20 x E200's only are due (10 x mini & 10 x standard length)
Don't forget Dundee are due 10 x Y-reg Tridents for Fife Schools work during August, most likely to be from BC as it has the largest allocation of them.
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 09, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...
Same as someone upthread suggesting that 8 Geminis should go WB-AG and 8 Presidents AG-WB a completely pointless excercise
Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?
Quote from: Stu on June 09, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?
That might have been stated, but is not completely correct
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: John on June 08, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 08, 2014, 07:18:29 PM
What is the PVR of the 94?
I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow
Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.
The 94 PVR is exactly 15, 14 from garage in the morning and the 15th is a PM peak
Quote from: Winston on June 08, 2014, 10:36:25 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 08, 2014, 10:18:01 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 08, 2014, 10:13:24 PM
I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.
I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's
Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.
To be fair the 94 is long overdue an upgrade with a new fleet, particularly as Claribels puts new buses on the route annually. NX don't seem too bothered by Claribels existence, not like some independent operators over the years....
Thinking about it, all of the main Chelmsley Wood - City routes need upgrading.
The 14 is ran by 13 year old Tridents.
The 94 is mainly 13 year old slow Volvos
The 97 is ran by 11 year old Tridents
I would be surprised if PB gets more new buses.
The 45 and 47 would be my guess. There again the 50 has always been the 'jewel in the crown' and currently has 7 year old buses running on it.
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 09, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?
That might have been stated, but is not completely correct
Glasgow
Being that NE have bought new buses to be used in the west Midlands, they should be used in the West Midlands first! If they want any buses for the Commonwealth Games, then send them some Spectra's!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 09, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Being that NE have bought new buses to be used in the west Midlands, they should be used in the West Midlands first! If they want any buses for the Commonwealth Games, then send them some Spectra's!
Perhaps you might like to drive a Spectra 300 miles, if it could actually manage to go 300 miles on a motorway
Quote from: karl724223 on June 09, 2014, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 09, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?
That might have been stated, but is not completely correct
Glasgow
Obviously I meant NX Dundee, who were meant to be operating contract services at the Games in Glasgow! ;)
Not an NXWM vehicle, but there is an Enviro 500 in Birmingham at the moment
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 09, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...
It's not gonna get any better by the looks of it.
@Winston I thought
@wbdriver confirmed there were no new Enviro 400s any time soon, I didn't know he meant this year
An Enviro 500 in Gay Pride Livery by the looks of it! ;D ;D ;D
Wonder what ASE 6165 is doing there, still got it's route number on which it last worked on the 04 June 2014?
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place
But if you take it to that extreme, they are not WBs buses, they are National Express's to be used as they see fit, unfortunately!
@Tony I thought.. Nope, never mind, I'm not gonna explain myself.
Personally I think the 16 would be higher up the pecking order than the 94, I'd like to see some new buses on the Pershore Road 8)
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 09, 2014, 08:59:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place
But if you take it to that extreme, they are not WBs buses, they are National Express's to be used as they see fit, unfortunately!
That is exactly what I said!
To me any new buses from now on will mostly go to Birmingham garages.
All the issues about no B6s, Mercs, Spectra's & Presidents being allowed into Birmingham has now been solved, some new E200s will go to WB for withdrawl of Mercs, with Tridents to PE & WN to eliminate there Mercs.
To National Express, Birmingham is there number one target, most visitors to Birmingham don't visit places like Cradley Heath & Ashmore Park, so give Birmingham the best new buses and the older ones (some on there last legs) to garages away from Birmingham.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 09, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...
It's not gonna get any better by the looks of it. @Winston I thought @wbdriver confirmed there were no new Enviro 400s any time soon, I didn't know he meant this year
@Sh4318 I take anytime soon to mean no double deckers due at WB from the current deliveries due. WB will have to have some new or newer cascaded deckers sooner rather than later. My money is on the Dudley Road being upgraded next year. The 8 x 54 plate Gemini could be moved back to AG with the rest of the batch but if only if replaced by something newer. There's no point swapping them for older Presidents or ALX 400's from PB as WB looses out.
@Winston But didn't AG loose out in the first place, loosing all there Geminis from the 11 to WB and getting Presidents instead?
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 09, 2014, 09:19:28 PM
@Winston But didn't AG loose out in the first place, loosing all there Geminis from the 11 to WB and getting Presidents instead?
@Stuharris 6360 strictly speaking yes AG did loose out. But back then certain routes had to have Euro 3 buses, certain routes could do without them. The buses were therefore moved for operational reason / to comply with the City Centre emission requirements.
With all the new buses due over the next 18 months, there should be plenty to go around & allow newer cascades to be moved around those garages with routes which can't support brand new investment. Ultimately, NX will only allocate the brand new buses to the routes which will generate the most returns / growth or have competition.
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it
@Sh4318 There's no harm in speculating where the deliveries might end up / what will be withdrawn, we just need to take in to account the bits info already confirmed.
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!
My thoughts exactly......
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:39:05 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it
@Sh4318 There's no harm in speculating where the deliveries might end up / what will be withdrawn, we just need to take in to account the bits info already confirmed.
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...
@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable
Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.
Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!
My thoughts exactly......
Just to make it clear, I didn't have a problem with any of your comments
@Winston. I agree with
@Matt, as they say, treat others the way you expect to be treated. Now, back to the subject at hand.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 09:45:20 PM
Just to make it clear, I didn't have a problem with any of your comments @Winston. I agree with @Matt, as they say, treat others the way you expect to be treated. Now, back to the subject at hand.
@Sh4318 No worries, I didn't think you did.
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
Quote from: Mike K on June 09, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
@Mike K, now that's just been greedy.....
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2014, 08:11:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 09, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Being that NE have bought new buses to be used in the west Midlands, they should be used in the West Midlands first! If they want any buses for the Commonwealth Games, then send them some Spectra's!
Perhaps you might like to drive a Spectra 300 miles, if it could actually manage to go 300 miles on a motorway
i bet it would manage it too. not fast but they have a heavy feel to them, which in my opinion means they feel sturdier. didnt either r1/2 neg get abroad when fairly new? better still a one way trip to barnsley would be better
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2014, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 09, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 09, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Quote from: Matt on June 09, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on June 09, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 08, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006
i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.
i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.
That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...
20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn
Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...
It's not gonna get any better by the looks of it. @Winston I thought @wbdriver confirmed there were no new Enviro 400s any time soon, I didn't know he meant this year
@Sh4318 I take anytime soon to mean no double deckers due at WB from the current deliveries due. WB will have to have some new or newer cascaded deckers sooner rather than later. My money is on the Dudley Road being upgraded next year. The 8 x 54 plate Gemini could be moved back to AG with the rest of the batch but if only if replaced by something newer. There's no point swapping them for older Presidents or ALX 400's from PB as WB looses out.
Does that mean WA B6/B10L will outlive Mercs at pensnett although 2 years older
Quote from: Mike K on June 09, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
Hahaha
@Mike K, they should upgrade the 22/23 corridor... those poor ageing Hybrids could do with retirement!
As Karl mentioned long time ago,
Quote from: karl724223 on March 20, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
Brum garages and Walsall will have the new buses
West brom wolves pensnett will have cascaded buses
Pensnett will probably have tridents or early enviro 400s
Pensnett mercs will go on till the end of 2014 at least
Maybe those 20 x E400's it could be for WA and replace 997 and X51 fleets? Looking at the fleetlist, it requires 21 fleets.
we had the new E 400 demonstrator in dundee two weeks ago .its new design is brilliant for the driver ,but wont be delivered until the 2015 order .
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
On the subject do you think NX will re-register them with a B prefix or keep the S prefix that they are arriving with?
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
On the subject do you think NX will re-register them with a B prefix or keep the S prefix that they are arriving with?
They will all be registered at ADL from now on with Scottish marks, it was posted somewhere else on here that the Birmingham DVLA office had closed, so no more BX reg's for NXWM :-[
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
On the subject do you think NX will re-register them with a B prefix or keep the S prefix that they are arriving with?
They will all be registered at ADL from now on with Scottish marks, it was posted somewhere else on here that the Birmingham DVLA office had closed, so no more BX reg's for NXWM :-[
How does the new bus registration process work? Brand new cars supplier through West Midlands dealerships are still allocated Bx prefixed registrations but I suppose with buses there often isn't the concept of a dealer acting as an intermediary between the manufacturer and the buyer. Apologies for straying off topic, just curious.
Oh, and why do so many new Volvo Wright buses carry Birmingham plates (e.g. First, Brighton & Hove etc)?
Quote from: Mike K on June 11, 2014, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on June 11, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: Stevo on June 11, 2014, 05:54:58 PM
Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
On the subject do you think NX will re-register them with a B prefix or keep the S prefix that they are arriving with?
They will all be registered at ADL from now on with Scottish marks, it was posted somewhere else on here that the Birmingham DVLA office had closed, so no more BX reg's for NXWM :-[
How does the new bus registration process work? Brand new cars supplier through West Midlands dealerships are still allocated Bx prefixed registrations but I suppose with buses there often isn't the concept of a dealer acting as an intermediary between the manufacturer and the buyer. Apologies for straying off topic, just curious.
Oh, and why do so many new Volvo Wright buses carry Birmingham plates (e.g. First, Brighton & Hove etc)?
Reason for the Birmingham plates on Volvos is their UK Head Office is in Warwick
Quote from: Mike K on June 09, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
No point. The 24 sees Hybrids and the odd E400 on there everyday. There's nothing wrong with the tridents at all... Also, whilst on the topic of tridents, a fair few have gained numerous different ads - been on one of these today. Are all of BC tridents getting them? Anyway, when on the bus, I noticed the windows are slightly darker, dare I say tinted, but they seemed as if they were... (Forgot the fleet number, 416*)
Quote from: clayderman on June 11, 2014, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 09, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
No point. The 24 sees Hybrids and the odd E400 on there everyday. There's nothing wrong with the tridents at all... Also, whilst on the topic of tridents, a fair few have gained numerous different ads - been on one of these today. Are all of BC tridents getting them? Anyway, when on the bus, I noticed the windows are slightly darker, dare I say tinted, but they seemed as if they were... (Forgot the fleet number, 416*)
4139 4159 4165 4180 4182 have adverts above the doors :) They're maybe others that have aswell but I know these have adverts at least :)
Quote from: clayderman on June 11, 2014, 10:03:09 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 09, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
I reckon some of this latest batch should go to BC to upgrade the 24. It's been a while since there were any new buses on this side of the city.
(Ducks for cover...)
No point. The 24 sees Hybrids and the odd E400 on there everyday. There's nothing wrong with the tridents at all... Also, whilst on the topic of tridents, a fair few have gained numerous different ads - been on one of these today. Are all of BC tridents getting them? Anyway, when on the bus, I noticed the windows are slightly darker, dare I say tinted, but they seemed as if they were... (Forgot the fleet number, 416*)
@clayderman my comment was tongue in cheek (hence my "ducks for cover" comment, and Winston's response). I appreciate that the Harborne corridors have had loads of new buses over the last couple of years. Not sure I agree with you on the Tridents though. Some of them are sh*te.
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Does that mean no Euro 6 E400s will come to NXWM this year, or is it just NX Dundee's vehicles that won't come till 2015?
Correct, whether for the West Midlands or Dundee they are all part of the NX order, so no MMC's until 2015.
They are fitting euro 6 engines to the now old e400 if requested?
I know, but the original comment from Jim C up in Dundee referred to the E400 MMC not being delivered to NX until 2015 which I suspect what the 'Euro 6' comment related to
On the subject do you think NX will re-register them with a B prefix or keep the S prefix that they are arriving with?
They will all be registered at ADL from now on with Scottish marks, it was posted somewhere else on here that the Birmingham DVLA office had closed, so no more BX reg's for NXWM :-[
I don't think this would stop NX reregistering them with "BX" plates if they so desired, but I can't imagine they'd see it as a good use of money
Although on the bright side for fans of Birmingham registrations, any future purchases from Volvo should still be delivered with "BX" and the like
Except there won't be any purchases from Volvo for the foreseeable future :-[
But can they fit Euro 6 engines to the old E400? According to the article in buses the E400 MMC has a longer engine compartment to fit the new engine.
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But can they fit Euro 6 engines to the old E400? According to the article in buses the E400 MMC has a longer engine compartment to fit the new engine.
Yes i believe there are several E400's in London with Prototype Euro6 engines?
@Stuharris 6360, I'd already posted this video - at the bottom of page two of this thread. :)
Aah right, my mistake for not checking topic, will delete my post
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But can they fit Euro 6 engines to the old E400? According to the article in buses the E400 MMC has a longer engine compartment to fit the new engine.
Yes i believe there are several E400's in London with Prototype Euro6 engines?
plus s/c 10000 which has been used in Manchester and the north east
more pics of stagecoach's
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/77612607@N07/14422092322/in/photolist-nGmQah-nGkSh5-nGkDJR-nYweuH-nYuKe6-nYtzsp-nWHFV3-nWHFUS-nGhqoB-nG8obt-nYqZAb-nYqZhA-nYqYbs-nG4dhu-nYpLkq-nYstjt-nFWUyA-nFWUmb-nFWUz7-nYgXUd-nFT9Dh-o19Puk-nWkdyU-nFRExR-nWeAUC-nWeB2b-nFwFnA-nZFUsk-nFnpKG-nFmUbb-nFiMF2-nFhmh6-nFgcvF-nFeGzX-nFdDdF-nXqZzL-nVt7ts-nF2XAT-nF1kf9-nWV7yV-nYW2m8-nEDo5S-nYV2pg-nX8ELk-nECXkS-nX17K7-nX1H49-nECQEV-nYTPLZ-nYRLik/
and the demonstrator
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrahamm/14212368109/in/photolist-nECQEV-nYTPLZ-nYRLik-nEzhhM-nEAagP-nWY2Af-nWY5hs-nWWdrf-nEyCH9-nExTN9-nEx8wW-nEx8Ad-nWCT9v-nErwLH-nUvuUb-nE18yS-nWutnT-nDXY4o-nW8uYr-nW83tH-nDVNMu-nW6xm6-nDU6Tt-nDUqxU-nUme9w-nDPhCx-nVWLgT-nUctTu-nVVEXD-nUbqj7-nDJPct-nVUcAX-nVNAiy-nVMtRh-nVMtLY-nDnUJU-nXDJmz-nVJUHC-nVJ7Dd-nVxyta-nTJ1Bj-nDfVyV-nVKEgc-nVCZ4L-nVzruv-nVhhz6-nD5RW4-nX4KuV-nTc5xh-nVPDaX/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrahamm/14375896386/in/photolist-nECQEV-nYTPLZ-nYRLik-nEzhhM-nEAagP-nWY2Af-nWY5hs-nWWdrf-nEyCH9-nExTN9-nEx8wW-nEx8Ad-nWCT9v-nErwLH-nUvuUb-nE18yS-nWutnT-nDXY4o-nW8uYr-nW83tH-nDVNMu-nW6xm6-nDU6Tt-nDUqxU-nUme9w-nDPhCx-nVWLgT-nUctTu-nVVEXD-nUbqj7-nDJPct-nVUcAX-nVNAiy-nVMtRh-nVMtLY-nDnUJU-nXDJmz-nVJUHC-nVJ7Dd-nVxyta-nTJ1Bj-nDfVyV-nVKEgc-nVCZ4L-nVzruv-nVhhz6-nD5RW4-nX4KuV-nTc5xh-nVPDaX/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrahamm/14211428687/in/photolist-nECQEV-nYTPLZ-nYRLik-nEzhhM-nEAagP-nWY2Af-nWY5hs-nWWdrf-nEyCH9-nExTN9-nEx8wW-nEx8Ad-nWCT9v-nErwLH-nUvuUb-nE18yS-nWutnT-nDXY4o-nW8uYr-nW83tH-nDVNMu-nW6xm6-nDU6Tt-nDUqxU-nUme9w-nDPhCx-nVWLgT-nUctTu-nVVEXD-nUbqj7-nDJPct-nVUcAX-nVNAiy-nVMtRh-nVMtLY-nDnUJU-nXDJmz-nVJUHC-nVJ7Dd-nVxyta-nTJ1Bj-nDfVyV-nVKEgc-nVCZ4L-nVzruv-nVhhz6-nD5RW4-nX4KuV-nTc5xh-nVPDaX/
I think this is a first. I think this is a truly beautiful vehicle. (no homo, srs)
And NXWM will go and spoil it with their livery!!
What a fantastic looking vehicle, can't wait to see these in Brum.
@BU07 LGO would I be right by assuming they have Voith gearboxes?
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@BU07 LGO would I be right by assuming they have Voith gearboxes?
I honestly couldn't tell you mate
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@BU07 LGO would I be right by assuming they have Voith gearboxes?
If you are refering to the Stagecoach ones i'd imagine so. Voith seems to be the standard gearbox for Stagecoaches ADL double deckers (Tridents/E40D)
Not always, they do have some ZF Tridents
Methinks A trip to Manchester is in order. Haha predicting they will upgrade the 192, their version of the 50 im led to believe
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Methinks A trip to Manchester is in order. Haha predicting they will upgrade the 192, their version of the 50 im led to believe
Not that long ago upgraded with a considerable amount of E400 hybrids though, so I don't think it will be the 192 that is the first to receive the E400 MMC.
Cheers Mike K wasn't aware they used the hybrids. Last time I went they were using the diesels
@danny I thought they used a mixture of both :o
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@danny I thought they used a mixture of both :o
They acquired 40 Hybrids specifically for the 192 although like all hybrid routes the odd standard vehicle does appear. The MMC Stagecoach demonstrator could I suppose feature on all sorts of routes but I don't think the 192 will be due an upgrade for some time yet.
4943 and 4946 along with what looks like two others are currently in Glasgow and sporting large National Express fleetnames (No Dundee/WestMids) look very smart!
There is a photo on the facebook group 'West Midlands PTE buses, predecessors and successors'.
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4943 and 4946 along with what looks like two others are currently in Glasgow and sporting large National Express fleetnames (No Dundee/WestMids) look very smart!
There is a photo on the facebook group 'West Midlands PTE buses, predecessors and successors'.
photos of the first 8 will appear on the main site in the next 15 minutes
Brilliant! I do think with the right livery, it'll look amazing. Although, NX needs to 'step up' their livery - i.e. ask the public. Red & White seems too plain, I guess that's their main colours now, since the reduced size & quantity of the grey bars... ::) Who's with me? Since I do paperbus liveries, I'll probably post some designs on my flickr page...
Note: Just saw this, obviously for a repaint I had to ask the creator, which I did. hopefully he'll give me permission! :)
EDIT: Silly me. Forgot to put the link: http://tomspaperbusnets.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/starliner-leeds-new-gen-adl-enviro-400/#comments
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4943 and 4946 along with what looks like two others are currently in Glasgow and sporting large National Express fleetnames (No Dundee/WestMids) look very smart!
There is a photo on the facebook group 'West Midlands PTE buses, predecessors and successors'.
photos of the first 8 will appear on the main site in the next 15 minutes
Finally managed to get my laptop to update the website
New photos on there now
4943 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4943.html
4944 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4944.html
4946 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4946.html
I we assume there going to be on commonwealth games duty first,before entering servive?
I do like that logo. Makes them look far less bland than the grey 'West Midlands'.
When are they likely to announce which routes getting them then?
the logo might be temporary for the commonwealth games?
Hope the large coloured side fleet names are retained. Much better than the current grey or is it silver fleet names which in certain light conditions are virtually invisible. Still hold out the hope that at some point in time they will experiment with the livery in general and come up with something more eye catching than the current bland offering which simply says 'I'm the cheap and easy option'!
I really hope the logo is temporary for the Games.
There needs to be a clear distinction between the long distance express coach operations run by nice coaches with leather seats etc., and the local operations run by buses which we know are sometimes in a very scruffy condition!
The fleet names are temporary for the Commonwealth Games to promote the National Express brand /group
When they go to AG in August they will receive NXWM fleet names
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The fleet names are temporary for the Commonwealth Games to promote the National Express brand /group
When they go to AG in August they will receive NXWM fleet names
Which route have you heard they are for then?
37
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I hope you're right, keep the damn things over the other side of Birmingham!
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I hope you're right, keep the damn things over the other side of Birmingham!
37 back to decker operation? Now there's a turn up for the book, don't think anyone guessed AG.
Personally I think it's time to scrap the NXWM/nx dundee local identities and just go for one national express brand between bus, coach and train.
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I hope you're right, keep the damn things over the other side of Birmingham!
37 back to decker operation? Now there's a turn up for the book, don't think anyone guessed AG.
It is not often NXWM don't order enough vehicles for the complete PVR of a route
They're not going to put a handful of 400's into a garage that doesn't operate any ADL products are they!
Surely sooner or later with this new contract AG will end up having something ADL?
With the new 6 year ADL deal I assume all garages will end up with ADL products.
Regarding the 37, NXWM likes to run the route with some single deckers so the E400s + some Scanias will make up the pvr
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They're not going to put a handful of 400's into a garage that doesn't operate any ADL products are they!
By that reasoning, AG and WB (disregarding the handful of ALX Darts) wouldn't receive any new buses for years to come.
What is the PVR of the 37?
Also the first 20 E400s (NXD have plans for 25 Commonwealth Games buses) will be followed by more E200/400s deliveries in 2014
If it is for the 37 why is it these people are so focused on just a few routes that get investment regularly and other causes where they could create growth are just passed over. Doesn't seem very fair .
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Also the first 20 E400s (NXD have plans for 25 Commonwealth Games buses) will be followed by more E200/400s deliveries in 2014
I think you may find 4940 etc may not be the first deliveries, These 20 seem to being spread far and wide at the moment, Wolverhampton, West Bromwich and now Acocks Green have all been posted on here as fact. Probably because management haven't actually announced where they are going so it seems lots of guesses going on
So Tony are you going to let us in on the secret ?
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So Tony are you going to let us in on the secret ?
No, because management haven't announced it, and if I do know in advance I get in trouble if I post commercial decisions on a public domain before the official announcement
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So Tony are you going to let us in on the secret ?
Oh so you don't know they are going on the 37 then
@Wolves256 if you are now asking
@Tony where they are going! Getting hard to separate the fact from prediction in this topic
It's clear the new deliveries will be used on high frequency routes/ corridors so that means 37, 50, Bristol road, Pershore road, Cov road, Dudley road and maybe the 11 ( if you can find a home for around 46 Tridents)
Sorry I meant to say Presidents
Yes, but 20 Enviro's won't touch the 11 PVR!
My thoughts on all of this, given current trends is that somehow they will result in the withdrawal of more Mercs, either through going to a garage that currently operates Mercs or going to a garage that can then cascade out Tridents, B7's or B7 ALX's or Gemini's to WN, PE and WB to remove more Mercs
They're for PN to upgrade the 9 with the current E400's cascaded onto the 140 & 241.
Thats my thoughts but it's pointless guessing, just have to wait and see
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They're for PN to upgrade the 9 with the current E400's cascaded onto the 140 & 241.
Thats my thoughts but it's pointless guessing, just have to wait and see
Wishful thinking!
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They're for PN to upgrade the 9 with the current E400's cascaded onto the 140 & 241.
Thats my thoughts but it's pointless guessing, just have to wait and see
I had the same thought, but I hope they hold out until the MMC. I think the 9 has more than 20 boards anyway doesn't it? I'm sure I remember seeing one 9/22 before. Still, someone did say it would be surprising which garage they're going to.
I thought the most reasonable guess was BC for the Pershore Road? Where the heck has the 37 come from?
have I missed something ? https://www.facebook.com/SpottedInDudleyAyYa/posts/803151466364103
According to the comments someone has had a letter from an mp to say the 126 is getting an upgrade
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They're for PN to upgrade the 9 with the current E400's cascaded onto the 140 & 241.
Thats my thoughts but it's pointless guessing, just have to wait and see
Wishful thinking!
Something like that, lol
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I thought the most reasonable guess was BC for the Pershore Road? Where the heck has the 37 come from?
I'd go for BC or WA as there supposed to be Y reg tridents going to dundee for school services WA 997 & possibly X51 upgrade????
We're due for new buses on the 37 - they've been changed every 4 years since the B10Bs came in 1996 and the Scanias are well past 4 years. I'd like new style E400s, please.
10 reg buses aren't new enough... dear me
My money is on the 37
High frequency routes such as the 37, 50 are likely to get upgraded fairly regularly. However, this doesn't explain why the 97 hasn't been upgraded ???
Back to reality!
The next 8 should be delivered to Glasgow this weekend
Just briefly touching on the 37 again...
As well as upgrading the buses on this route, the other obvious benefit is that this does then free up 20 new-ish full length single deckers (I fear that it would actually be the B7RLEs that get displaced, not the Omnilinks) to be cascaded to other garages to replace older single-deck vehicles such as Mercs and B10Ls, where it wouldn't be appropriate to replace those with smaller E200s...
Just my thoughts... now please feel free to get back to topic! :D
Quote from: Stu on June 18, 2014, 08:11:24 PM
Just briefly touching on the 37 again...
As well as upgrading the buses on this route, the other obvious benefit is that this does then free up 20 new-ish full length single deckers (I fear that it would actually be the B7RLEs that get displaced, not the Omnilinks) to be cascaded to other garages to replace older single-deck vehicles such as Mercs and B10Ls, where it wouldn't be appropriate to replace those with smaller E200s...
Just my thoughts... now please feel free to get back to topic! :D
Apart from the fact it has been reported elsewhere that Dundee needs an extra 10 double deckers, so somewhere through these new buses arriving 10 doubles will need to be cascaded to replace those heading north. That is one reason why the 37 seems an unlikely choice
Quote from: Stu on June 18, 2014, 08:11:24 PM
Just briefly touching on the 37 again...
As well as upgrading the buses on this route, the other obvious benefit is that this does then free up 20 new-ish full length single deckers (I fear that it would actually be the B7RLEs that get displaced, not the Omnilinks) to be cascaded to other garages to replace older single-deck vehicles such as Mercs and B10Ls, where it wouldn't be appropriate to replace those with smaller E200s...
Just my thoughts... now please feel free to get back to topic! :D
Stu,
I agree with your points, as the 37 has typically had new buses every 4 years previously as per the 50.
It wouldn't surprise me if both of these routes were upgraded to 'Gold Corridors' at a later date, as you say I can see the remaining B7RLE being cascaded out of AG to allow other older single deckers to be withdrawn
Tony it depends what will be transferd to Dundee. People have mentioned Tridents but toady NXD is 100% Volvo (except the hybrids and old solos) so the obvious choice is Presidents
I assume 4111>5 will go to Dundee as originally planed to replace B10s plus a possibly another 10 for the schools contract
AG has the biggest President location
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Tony it depends what will be transferd to Dundee. People have mentioned Tridents but toady NXD is 100% Volvo (except the hybrids and old solos) so the obvious choice is Presidents
I assume 4111>5 will go to Dundee as originally planed to replace B10s plus a possibly another 10 for the schools contract
AG has the biggest President location
It is/has been confirmed for some time that Dundee are expecting 10 x Y-reg Tridents for schools work despite not currently operating the type. It doesn't now appear anymore Presidents will move to Dundee
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 18, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Tony it depends what will be transferd to Dundee. People have mentioned Tridents but toady NXD is 100% Volvo (except the hybrids and old solos) so the obvious choice is Presidents
I assume 4111>5 will go to Dundee as originally planed to replace B10s plus a possibly another 10 for the schools contract
AG has the biggest President location
Which would make your theory of the new buses for the 37 even more unlikely, which route currently operated by Presidents would you put the scanias off the 37 on?
Tony, so if the 37 is updated I assume Scanias replace Volvo B7s (AG now have the smallest alocation) to PE,PL or CV to replace mercs
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 18, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
Tony, so if the 37 is updated I assume Scanias replace Volvo B7s (AG now have the smallest alocation) to PE,PL or CV to replace mercs
But you are also moving Presidents out, that would leave Acocks Green a bit short of buses. Your logic doesn't work.
If 10 double decks are going to Dundee of any type if you replace 20 Scanias with 20 new Double decks then one route somewhere will have to be converted from double deck to single deck
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Quote from: Wolves256 on June 18, 2014, 10:14:54 PM
Tony it depends what will be transferd to Dundee. People have mentioned Tridents but toady NXD is 100% Volvo (except the hybrids and old solos) so the obvious choice is Presidents
I assume 4111>5 will go to Dundee as originally planed to replace B10s plus a possibly another 10 for the schools contract
AG has the biggest President location
It is/has been confirmed for some time that Dundee are expecting 10 x Y-reg Tridents for schools work despite not currently operating the type. It doesn't now appear anymore Presidents will move to Dundee
Presumably presidents could no longer be within the age range specified for the school contracts, as they are that bit older?
Tony, the Presidents move to NXD? If the E400s move to the 11 route
I think the pvr of the 11 is 46 ??? So that's probably all the 2014 order of E400s
My money is on the 37
I hear it will branded using a gold colour
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Tony it depends what will be transferd to Dundee. People have mentioned Tridents but toady NXD is 100% Volvo (except the hybrids and old solos) so the obvious choice is Presidents
I assume 4111>5 will go to Dundee as originally planed to replace B10s plus a possibly another 10 for the schools contract
AG has the biggest President location
It is/has been confirmed for some time that Dundee are expecting 10 x Y-reg Tridents for schools work despite not currently operating the type. It doesn't now appear anymore Presidents will move to Dundee
Presumably presidents could no longer be within the age range specified for the school contracts, as they are that bit older?
I assume that to be the reason, but then again 10 x Volvo/ALX400's could have gone to Dundee to keep in line with Volvo's double deckers been allocated, that might take a bit more cascading around to free Volvo/ALX up though
Unless perry barr are getting them to send their 51 or even the ex dundee 02 plates up to Dundee so dundee can keep Volvos?
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 19, 2014, 12:20:19 AM
Unless perry barr are getting them to send their 51 or even the ex dundee 02 plates up to Dundee so dundee can keep Volvos?
@the trainbasher no definitely 10 x Y-reg Tridents going.
@Winston ok then, as an idea, Pensnett get deckers for the 241/140/141 with 10 of the existing y plate tridents and 10 Mercs getting the bullet. Would that work?? (with the urbans getting put on the 246)
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Quote from: the trainbasher on June 19, 2014, 12:20:19 AM
Unless perry barr are getting them to send their 51 or even the ex dundee 02 plates up to Dundee so dundee can keep Volvos?
@the trainbasher no definitely 10 x Y-reg Tridents going.
@Winston it'll be sad to see some 41** tridents leave the West Midlands fleet. I just hope it's not 4125-34, although I suppose that could depend on which garage gets the Enviros
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 19, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
@Winston ok then, as an idea, Pensnett get deckers for the 241/140/141 with 10 of the existing y plate tridents and 10 Mercs getting the bullet. Would that work?? (with the urbans getting put on the 246)
@the trainbasher I reckon Pensnett will only get more cascaded Tridents this year. The only option for new E400's at Pensnett would be if the 9 was upgraded, possibly even to a gold corridor?
It looks as though the 276 has lost it's Tridents to convert the 140/141 & 241 all to double decker at present.
@Sh4318 BC is the most likely source of Y-reg Tridents, as it has over half of the 100 batch of them
Quote from: Winston on June 19, 2014, 12:47:53 AM
It looks as though the 276 has lost it's Tridents to convert the 140/141 & 241 all to double decker at present.
The 140/241 was mostly singles today & Monday
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Quote from: Winston on June 19, 2014, 12:47:53 AM
It looks as though the 276 has lost it's Tridents to convert the 140/141 & 241 all to double decker at present.
The 140/241 was mostly singles today & Monday
I can only go on what's posted, I'm 250 miles away in Western Greyhound land at present, I suspect that come July that the 276 may revert to single deckers daily until cascades can be sourced
Woo..... wild speculation at it's best :)
Ok I'll throw in my tuppence worth:
New buses to Pensnett - Tridents to Dundee
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 18, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
Tony, so if the 37 is updated I assume Scanias replace Volvo B7s (AG now have the smallest alocation) to PE,PL or CV to replace mercs
But you still haven't answered what you think will replace the double deckers going to Dundee!
Your idea of putting them on the 37 releases 20 Scanias. The 20 buses that need replacing are 10 DD to Dundee and 10 old SD for scrap, so which route currently operated by DD are you going to put the single decks on, either Scanias or B7s?
i did here the other day (not sure this true) that PN will not get new buses for some time but most likely get more older deckers
Send the 37 branded scanias to either pensnett or Coventry allowing more mercs to be withdrawn assuming the new buses are for the 37.
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 02:01:15 AM
Send the 37 branded scanias to either pensnett or Coventry allowing more mercs to be withdrawn assuming the new buses are for the 37.
Thus introducing yet another type of vehicle into the fleet of said depot. I have the feeling WA will be getting these so they can withdraw the B10L and cascade some the YxxxTOHs that they have to Dundee
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 02:01:15 AM
Send the 37 branded scanias to either pensnett or Coventry allowing more mercs to be withdrawn assuming the new buses are for the 37.
Thus introducing yet another type of vehicle into the fleet of said depot. I have the feeling WA will be getting these so they can withdraw the B10L and cascade some the YxxxTOHs that they have to Dundee
Coventry have already had scanias before and I'm sure they will again. There is going to be a shortage of single deckers once the new enviros come in September to replace the mercs so makes sense for Coventry to get some scanias. If pensnett got them, it would be good and give them a more varies fleet.
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 02:01:15 AM
Send the 37 branded scanias to either pensnett or Coventry allowing more mercs to be withdrawn assuming the new buses are for the 37.
Thus introducing yet another type of vehicle into the fleet of said depot. I have the feeling WA will be getting these so they can withdraw the B10L and cascade some the YxxxTOHs that they have to Dundee
Coventry have already had scanias before and I'm sure they will again. There is going to be a shortage of single deckers once the new enviros come in September to replace the mercs so makes sense for Coventry to get some scanias. If pensnett got them, it would be good and give them a more varies fleet.
Why will there be a shortage of Single decks, I think you may find some new single decks may arrive before the E400s even get to Birmingham
Quote from: Tony on June 20, 2014, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 07:47:33 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on June 20, 2014, 02:01:15 AM
Send the 37 branded scanias to either pensnett or Coventry allowing more mercs to be withdrawn assuming the new buses are for the 37.
Thus introducing yet another type of vehicle into the fleet of said depot. I have the feeling WA will be getting these so they can withdraw the B10L and cascade some the YxxxTOHs that they have to Dundee
Coventry have already had scanias before and I'm sure they will again. There is going to be a shortage of single deckers once the new enviros come in September to replace the mercs so makes sense for Coventry to get some scanias. If pensnett got them, it would be good and give them a more varies fleet.
Why will there be a shortage of Single decks, I think you may find some new single decks may arrive before the E400s even get to Birmingham
Plus NXWM are actively increasing the proportion of double deckers within their fleet and standardising vehicle types at various garages, not increase the number of variations
Apologies if this has already been confirmed, but what makes people so sure that these enviros that Tony has posted pics of are for West Midlands. It would appear that they've been registered in Scotland judging by the registrations, so maybe these are for Dundee?? Again apologies if this has already been confirmed!
Secondly, I think the 11 would be due an upgrade more than the 37!!
Quote from: 966 on June 21, 2014, 06:19:53 PM
Apologies if this has already been confirmed, but what makes people so sure that these enviros that Tony has posted pics of are for West Midlands. It would appear that they've been registered in Scotland judging by the registrations, so maybe these are for Dundee?? Again apologies if this has already been confirmed!
Secondly, I think the 11 would be due an upgrade more than the 37!!
It is likely that all the buses delivered from ADL in the current order will have either Scottish or Yorkshire registrations depending on which plant they are built in due to the closure of the Birmingham LVLO office making it more difficult to register them locally, so ADL will be registering them. These 20 are due to be delivered to the West Midlands in August.
Thanks for the reply Tony!
Quote from: Winston on June 19, 2014, 01:11:08 AM
Quote from: Matt on June 19, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: Winston on June 19, 2014, 12:47:53 AM
It looks as though the 276 has lost it's Tridents to convert the 140/141 & 241 all to double decker at present.
The 140/241 was mostly singles today & Monday
I can only go on what's posted, I'm 250 miles away in Western Greyhound land at present, I suspect that come July that the 276 may revert to single deckers daily until cascades can be sourced
My thoughts exactly. A shame for the 276 as for a busy route it deserves better than the Mercs. Some passengers may feel things have gone a step back. But hopefully it won't be too long before better buses are back.
First new buses of this year's order to arrive are not expected to be 4940-4959, but 751-764 which are expected to be delivered between 8th & 21st of July. No registrations for them yet, but will probably be Yx nn xxx and not Birmingham registrations again
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
First new buses of this year's order to arrive are not expected to be 4940-4959, but 751-764 which are expected to be delivered between 8th & 21st of July. No registrations for them yet, but will probably be Yx nn xxx and not Birmingham registrations again
Why 751 & not 831 Tony?
751-64 will be the shorter version. Presumably.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 23, 2014, 07:51:56 PM
751-64 will be the shorter version. Presumably.
correct, 831 will arrive at some point
@Tony @uniquicity Thanks for the info.
What a lot of brand new buses!
Is that the new First Glasgow depot? Guess thats being used as a base for Commonwealth Games buses.
Quote from: Cheese on June 23, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
Is that the new First Glasgow depot? Guess thats being used as a base for Commonwealth Games buses.
Yes it is Gusset Folds or something like that! Largest bus depot in the UK with room for 450 buses
Gushetfaulds on the south side of Glasgow.
Originally a goods yard run by the Caledonian Railway, the site became a Freightliner container terminal under
British Rail and became redundant when the new Euroterminal railfreight depot was built in Coatbridge in the
early 1990s. The yard has been derelict ever since. The new facility on the 10-acre site on Cathcart Road will
be the biggest bus depot in the UK with space for up to 450 buses and more than 1,200 employees.
The new depot will hold 150 more buses than the existing full depot at nearby Larkfield, which will later be
demolished. Balfour Beatty will be responsible for constructing a bus maintenance facility, a dedicated service
tunnel, with a deep clean facility and a specialist long-term vehicle repair unit. The service tunnel will be fitted
with an automated chassis clean unit, two high-specification automated vehicle washes, fuel installation and
facilities for vehicle testing and body shop repairs. Rainwater harvesting is expected to capture 2.2 million litres
of water a year from roof gutters for cleaning the buses.
Groundworks for the construction have already been completed and construction is due to be complete in
October with the site fully operational in November 2014.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
Gushetfaulds on the south side of Glasgow.
Originally a goods yard run by the Caledonian Railway, the site became a Freightliner container terminal under
British Rail and became redundant when the new Euroterminal railfreight depot was built in Coatbridge in the
early 1990s. The yard has been derelict ever since. The new facility on the 10-acre site on Cathcart Road will
be the biggest bus depot in the UK with space for up to 450 buses and more than 1,200 employees.
The new depot will hold 150 more buses than the existing full depot at nearby Larkfield, which will later be
demolished. Balfour Beatty will be responsible for constructing a bus maintenance facility, a dedicated service
tunnel, with a deep clean facility and a specialist long-term vehicle repair unit. The service tunnel will be fitted
with an automated chassis clean unit, two high-specification automated vehicle washes, fuel installation and
facilities for vehicle testing and body shop repairs. Rainwater harvesting is expected to capture 2.2 million litres
of water a year from roof gutters for cleaning the buses.
Groundworks for the construction have already been completed and construction is due to be complete in
October with the site fully operational in November 2014.
Oh I know exactly what it is called really, I have got to drive there in a couple of weeks time, (who remembers the old standing joke from years ago about the X51 being extended to Dundee? Walsall to Glasgow is nearly there)
Camera will be in overdrive for a couple of days!
Tony are NX only supplying 20 new E400s or will some of the last batch of WM E400s be used aswell?
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Cheese on June 23, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
Is that the new First Glasgow depot? Guess thats being used as a base for Commonwealth Games buses.
Yes it is Gusset Folds or something like that! Largest bus depot in the UK with room for 450 buses
Excellent! How do you pronounce 'Gushetfaulds'? I suspect it only sounds right when you say it with a Scottish accent.
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 23, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
Tony are NX only supplying 20 new E400s or will some of the last batch of WM E400s be used aswell?
No buses currently in the West Midlands will be going up.
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Cheese on June 23, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
Is that the new First Glasgow depot? Guess thats being used as a base for Commonwealth Games buses.
Yes it is Gusset Folds or something like that! Largest bus depot in the UK with room for 450 buses
Excellent! How do you pronounce 'Gushetfaulds'? I suspect it only sounds right when you say it with a Scottish accent.
First thoughts were "Gushing Folds" but that conjures up all sorts of wrongness.
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 08:51:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 08:41:18 PM
Gushetfaulds on the south side of Glasgow.
Originally a goods yard run by the Caledonian Railway, the site became a Freightliner container terminal under
British Rail and became redundant when the new Euroterminal railfreight depot was built in Coatbridge in the
early 1990s. The yard has been derelict ever since. The new facility on the 10-acre site on Cathcart Road will
be the biggest bus depot in the UK with space for up to 450 buses and more than 1,200 employees.
The new depot will hold 150 more buses than the existing full depot at nearby Larkfield, which will later be
demolished. Balfour Beatty will be responsible for constructing a bus maintenance facility, a dedicated service
tunnel, with a deep clean facility and a specialist long-term vehicle repair unit. The service tunnel will be fitted
with an automated chassis clean unit, two high-specification automated vehicle washes, fuel installation and
facilities for vehicle testing and body shop repairs. Rainwater harvesting is expected to capture 2.2 million litres
of water a year from roof gutters for cleaning the buses.
Groundworks for the construction have already been completed and construction is due to be complete in
October with the site fully operational in November 2014.
Oh I know exactly what it is called really, I have got to drive there in a couple of weeks time, (who remembers the old standing joke from years ago about the X51 being extended to Dundee? Walsall to Glasgow is nearly there)
Camera will be in overdrive for a couple of days!
The good old days of Wmbus, think we had a 951D going from Birmingham calling Scott Arms, Walsall, Cannock and Dundee only. Pretty sure someone mocked up a DP Metro with 951D Dundee in the blind at some point. Think there were a few other silly 951 variants suggested...
Is Gushetfaulds due to replace a number of First Glasgow depots, guess Larkfield would be one, Parkhead maybe also?
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 23, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
Tony are NX only supplying 20 new E400s or will some of the last batch of WM E400s be used aswell?
No buses currently in the West Midlands will be going up.
Tony, is it the same as the Olympics, all National Express branding and legals, plus ticket machines removed?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2014, 09:13:18 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 09:09:13 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on June 23, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
Tony are NX only supplying 20 new E400s or will some of the last batch of WM E400s be used aswell?
No buses currently in the West Midlands will be going up.
Tony, is it the same as the Olympics, all National Express branding and legals, plus ticket machines removed?
There was still very large National Express fleetnames on the pictures Tony posted so presumably not?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 23, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 23, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: Cheese on June 23, 2014, 08:33:57 PM
Is that the new First Glasgow depot? Guess thats being used as a base for Commonwealth Games buses.
Yes it is Gusset Folds or something like that! Largest bus depot in the UK with room for 450 buses
Excellent! How do you pronounce 'Gushetfaulds'? I suspect it only sounds right when you say it with a Scottish accent.
First thoughts were "Gushing Folds" but that conjures up all sorts of wrongness.
Liverpool Street :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
What a lot of brand new buses!
One of the few times you'll see a nx livery bus in the same depot as a first liveried one!
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
i'm pretty confident that it won't be any of the ex LH services benefiting with an upgrade, (however might get casts offs from the usual suspects).
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
Oh Christ here we go, wild speculation time...
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
B6s, B10s and Darts for the chop I wonder.I still think the O405Ns will be here a bit longer, as well as the Spectras
Quote from: John on June 24, 2014, 08:03:43 AM
B6s, B10s and Darts for the chop I wonder.I still think the O405Ns will be here a bit longer, as well as the Spectras
Optare Solo's too, for withdrawal :)
I'm thinking enviro200s for west bromwich to replace the darts and b6s and wolverhampton to replace the midis there
I really doubt it would go like this but.....
20 for wb
10 for bc
10 for pb
10 for yw
10 for ag
10 for wa
10 for wn
10 for pn
10 for cv
Quote from: Andrew on June 24, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
I really doubt it would go like this but.....
20 for wb
10 for bc
10 for pb
10 for yw
10 for ag
10 for wa
10 for wn
10 for pn
10 for cv
Just out of curiosity, why only 20 for WB? Just wondering,
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 24, 2014, 03:02:09 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 24, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
I really doubt it would go like this but.....
20 for wb
10 for bc
10 for pb
10 for yw
10 for ag
10 for wa
10 for wn
10 for pn
10 for cv
Just out of curiosity, why only 20 for WB? Just wondering,
Wasn't it confirmed they were getting 20 E200's ?
@Andrew, I'm sure it was mentined in the WB thread?
Iirc it is 10× Short wheelbase E200's and 10× Long wheelbase E200's
Quote from: Nathan on June 24, 2014, 04:23:38 PM
There isn't any new buses for WN this year ... so no E200's for WN :) ...
That's a real shame, eh
@Tony
Lets just say it will be an exciting time for most garages between now and the end of the year. Looking at the list I certainly am.
Quote from: Nathan on June 24, 2014, 04:12:51 PM
@Andrew, I'm sure it was mentined in the WB thread?
Iirc it is 10× Short wheelbase E200's and 10× Long wheelbase E200's
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
First new buses of this year's order to arrive are not expected to be 4940-4959, but 751-764 which are expected to be delivered between 8th & 21st of July
Quote from: uniquicity on June 23, 2014, 07:51:56 PM
751-64 will be the shorter version
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
Plus, 831 will arrive at some point
Will 831 be the first longer E200? What were those secondhand E200s for Dundee numbered?
Quote from: Stevo on June 24, 2014, 05:09:59 PM
Will 831 be the first longer E200? What were those secondhand E200s for Dundee numbered?
731 - 734
I assume 751/64 will replace solos at pb and darts at wb (thats 2 types withdrawn from the fleet )
831 onwards, my guess is they will replace B10s at WA and YW (thats the 3 rd type eliminated from the fleet) with some also going to wb to see off some mercs and B6s depending how many are on order
PE-CASCADES, BC- NEW, WB-NEW, WA-NEW, CV-NEW, WN-CASCADES, DUNDEE-NEW-SEC/HAND, BY-NONE, PB-NEW, AG-CASCADES,
Solo's-B10's-ALX200's withdrawn.
All guess work???????
Free bus pass for the winner who gets all the correct allocations :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What about E400s to by (can they get dds in the workshop?)for the 8, scanias to ag to replace b7s to cv, pe or pl as merc replacements
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 24, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 24, 2014, 04:23:38 PM
There isn't any new buses for WN this year ... so no E200's for WN :) ...
That's a real shame, eh @Tony
Yes. Real shame
Quote from: BN on June 24, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
Lets just say it will be animpressiontime for most garages between now and the end of the year. Looking at the list I certainly am.
Hi BN,
Are you able to confirm how many new buses we can expect by the end of the year? I was under the impression that the largest proportion of the new deliveries would be arriving during 2015 to meet NX's commitment with Centro?
Tony has confirmed 100 by September this year so that leaves 174 next year to meet the centro 'commitment' of 300 new buses
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
I'll go for Yardley Wood, replacing some of the Presidents or the Tridents. The latter being replaced would be better allowing some Tridents to be cascaded to the likes of WB/PE to replace the Mercs. I don't think it'll be PB as they received the new E400s for the Sutton Routes recently, or WN considering the investment there over the last two years. YW could do with some new double deck buses - no bias in this at all (I use the 76 5 days a week ;) )
How many of these 100 buses are E400's and how many are E200's ?
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
Paddy Power have given me 100-1 on the E400s going to Bordesley Green.
Yardley wood 6 or 2/3 or just to be further into randomness BY 55
Quote from: Mike K on June 24, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
Paddy Power have given me 100-1 on the E400s going to Bordesley Green.
That's good odds considering they'd have to be open toppers.....
Quote from: Mike K on June 24, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
Paddy Power have given me 100-1 on the E400s going to Bordesley Green.
Hahaha! The 8 going to rerouted to allow for Double Deck usage! Confirmed: here (https://i.imgflip.com/7vf51.jpg) and here (http://m.memegen.com/ecd69x.jpg)
@Mike K,
@Tony,
@Winston,
@BN
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 24, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 24, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
No problems on the 8 with low bridges! Now the 17 errr.
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
Paddy Power have given me 100-1 on the E400s going to Bordesley Green.
Hahaha! The 8 going to rerouted to allow for Double Deck usage! Confirmed: here (https://i.imgflip.com/7vf51.jpg) and here (http://m.memegen.com/ecd69x.jpg) @Mike K, @Tony, @Winston, @BN
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 24, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: Mike K on June 24, 2014, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2014, 06:18:21 AM
NXs promise of 100 new buses this year is going to be kept and all 100 should be delivered by the end of September so expect a lot of withdrawals soon including the elimination of three vehicle types?
Several people on here are going to be surprised by where the new buses are allocated to as well. I javen't seen too many correct guesses yet!
So far people have guessed at Wolverhampton, Acocks Green, Yardley Wood, Birmingham Central, West Bromwich, Pensnett... so if its none of those I guess its going to be Walsall and Perry Barr again?
For a laugh, I'm going to guess at Coventry! :D
Paddy Power have given me 100-1 on the E400s going to Bordesley Green.
Hahaha! The 8 going to rerouted to allow for Double Deck usage! Confirmed: here (https://i.imgflip.com/7vf51.jpg) and here (http://m.memegen.com/ecd69x.jpg) @Mike K, @Tony, @Winston, @BN
i do like them link
@Liverpool Street
WB for the 82/87 and or 61/63 Bristol road would be good to see. As for the three vehicle types to be withdrawn, I reckon Solos, Darts and Liberators.
Quote from: Lukeee on June 24, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
WB for the 82/87 and or 61/63 Bristol road would be good to see. As for the three vehicle types to be withdrawn, I reckon Solos, Darts and Liberators.
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
Quote from: D10 on June 25, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on June 24, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
WB for the 82/87 and or 61/63 Bristol road would be good to see. As for the three vehicle types to be withdrawn, I reckon Solos, Darts and Liberators.
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
There is a possibility of one surviving as a replacement for the poorly 241
a solo or a dart tony? whats up with 241
Quote from: mranon on June 25, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
a solo or a dart tony? whats up with 241
They are looking at a dart at the moment, Can't actually remember what they told me was wrong with 241, just it wasn't worth repairing
Quote from: Tony on June 25, 2014, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: D10 on June 25, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on June 24, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
WB for the 82/87 and or 61/63 Bristol road would be good to see. As for the three vehicle types to be withdrawn, I reckon Solos, Darts and Liberators.
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
There is a possibility of one surviving as a replacement for the poorly 241
Well surely they can find another B6, there are afterall a good number in the 'reserve fleet'
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 25, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 25, 2014, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: D10 on June 25, 2014, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on June 24, 2014, 10:12:35 PM
WB for the 82/87 and or 61/63 Bristol road would be good to see. As for the three vehicle types to be withdrawn, I reckon Solos, Darts and Liberators.
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
There is a possibility of one surviving as a replacement for the poorly 241
Well surely they can find another B6, there are afterall a good number in the 'reserve fleet'
241 is a Merc! They just need a small bus for what 241 does
Many apologies
@Tony was getting in a muddle with 244, incidentally is that still in good health?
Would be nice to see 241 preserved as it's one of very few surviving alx100 minibuses that are of the last sort to be built prior to solos/MPDs etc.
Ah the alx100 on staff bus duty back in the day flying down the m5 an interesting experience . I was given one as a change bus on the 87 service great day passengers refused to get on thinking I was an Independant operator , I had this minibus all nite great stuff. Shame it would never happen now.
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Ah the alx100 on staff bus duty back in the day flying down the m5 an interesting experience . I was given one as a change bus on the 87 service great day passengers refused to get on thinking I was an Independant operator , I had this minibus all nite great stuff. Shame it would never happen now.
Bet you had a nice shift on the 87 then ;)
I must admit I really like minibuses like this-most enthusiasts hate them but they accessed areas otherwise unserved by public transport. Shame much of the "Mini-Link" network has now been lost...
Completely forgot about Mini link something else long gone, not enough profit in it I guess as with so many things.
Quote from: 2900 on June 26, 2014, 12:04:29 AM
Completely forgot about Mini link something else long gone, not enough profit in it I guess as with so many things.
Looking back at a leaflet, it was a pretty comprehensive network of services.
Out of interest
@2900 did drivers not dislike being given what they no doubt didn't regard as proper buses?
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 25, 2014, 11:53:43 PM
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 11:04:56 PM
Ah the alx100 on staff bus duty back in the day flying down the m5 an interesting experience . I was given one as a change bus on the 87 service great day passengers refused to get on thinking I was an Independant operator , I had this minibus all nite great stuff. Shame it would never happen now.
Bet you had a nice shift on the 87 then ;)
I must admit I really like minibuses like this-most enthusiasts hate them but they accessed areas otherwise unserved by public transport. Shame much of the "Mini-Link" network has now been lost...
Just looking through Tonys pics, 232 appeared on the 82 once
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/232.html
Vast majority of drivers I know hated the merc mini buses unbearable cabs in hot weather with engine rite next to you , great in winter month though, pensioners didn't like the steps ,they vibrated terribly . I found them amusing on routes they had no business being on Dudley road and Portland road services for example .
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 25, 2014, 10:33:47 PM
Would be nice to see 241 preserved as it's one of very few surviving alx100 minibuses that are of the last sort to be built prior to solos/MPDs etc.
Well if someone makes NX a sensible offier I am sure they will sell it for preservation, same as they are still waiting for an offer for the last Excels if any one wants to preserve one
Drove all the minibuses brand new when at west brom
And even had them on the 140
I've mentioned before that one of those appeared on the 120 the once (when operated by West Brom), that was a fun journey into town! :D
I reckon they might go to newish growth routes and my guess is a split between bc = 70 and PN = 141/140/241
I don't know if it is just the camera or me (!), but I am sue the shade of red has changed again on these new Enviro 400s - the red looks slightly lighter than the 13reg and 63reg enviro 400s. Surely the red shade can't have changed again?
Compare the red shade between the two batches
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4912.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4944.html
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2014, 07:12:48 PM
I don't know if it is just the camera or me (!), but I am sue the shade of red has changed again on these new Enviro 400s - the red looks slightly lighter than the 13reg and 63reg enviro 400s. Surely the red shade can't have changed again?
Compare the red shade between the two batches
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4912.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4944.html
Probably just the camera. The photos of the new ones were taken on a phone and sent to me by one of the First Group managers
Someone who commented on this photo seems to think they are are going to BC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wda2t/14418393266/
Quote from: Ex BC driver on June 27, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
Someone who commented on this photo seems to think they are are going to BC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wda2t/14418393266/
The comment that he has made is not correct
Quote from: Tony on June 27, 2014, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on June 27, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
Someone who commented on this photo seems to think they are are going to BC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wda2t/14418393266/
The comment that he has made is not correct
Wild guess WB ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Nathan on June 27, 2014, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 27, 2014, 08:02:27 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on June 27, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
Someone who commented on this photo seems to think they are are going to BC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wda2t/14418393266/
The comment that he has made is not correct
I suspect he was just making a guess as to where they are going. I did guess BC at first but as you have said they are not for BC.
I haven't said not BC, just that the comment was incorrect
From what i have heard, there has been a mistake made by ADL on registering the vehicles and the registration of 4943 has now changed to SL14 LNO, SL14 LRO is now a Stagecoach London Enviro 400 destined for Bow Depot (fleet number 12324).
There is an example that I believe is destined for London of the brand new Enviro400 at a company on the elmdon trading estate near the airport, not sure how long its going to be there for but its currently missing its front panel that holds the reg plate and also all of the windows are covered in camo vinyls, I did manage to get a couple of pictures but unfortunatley they are too large to upload on here, maybe Tony might want them to add to the page himself :]
Overall though they do look quite nice and spacious and I will be excited to see if NXWM buys any of these and what garages they go to, personally I think they should go to AG as the only new deckers they have had in recent years are the 54 plated B7TL geminis :]
Personally it would be nice to see new vehicles at depots that havn't had any new for quite a while AG-YW for example, i'm sure the drivers would appreciate some thing new to drive,wherever they go lets hope there not vandalized or set alight by mindless idiots who have nothing better to do. :)
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
With PB having the small envrios when will wb sent one of there buses
to PB so the drivers can be type trained for the
654 service
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 11:44:36 AM
The Solos and Darts are definitely going. The UK Bus Director confirmed this recently in one of his weekly e-mails to staff. 14 Short E200s going to WB and PB to replace these.
With PB having the small envrios when will wb sent one of there buses
to PB so the drivers can be type trained for the
654 service
WB haven't had their own short E200's yet. What's stopping PB waiting & using one of their new deliveries for type training?
Wb already has some envrios that's what I was saying
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
Wb already has some envrios that's what I was saying
Why would it have to be a WB one then? BC have much closer links with PB than WB.
There is no rush to actually get them into service. The solos don't disintegrate a midnight on a specific date (they do that over a length of time)
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
Wb already has some envrios that's what I was saying
Why would it have to be a WB one then? BC have much closer links with PB than WB.
There is no rush to actually get them into service. The solos don't disintegrate a midnight on a specific date (they do that over a length of time)
no that's the MERCS!
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
Two weeks - v soon then. Are any long ones expected for WA (or maybe even YW) to replace B10Ls ....... or B6s (at Walsall)
Quote from: don on June 29, 2014, 02:05:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
Two weeks - v soon then. Are any long ones expected for WA (or maybe even YW) to replace B10Ls ....... or B6s (at Walsall)
A batch of longer ones are due. I will post allocations closer to the date of arrival, not long to wait!
Oh great more rattling tin cans that mascerade as buses , think I should order a few thousand bottles of headache pain killers , probably keep gsk going single handed.
Mascerade - didn't they manufacture the O405N ?
The mercedes 0405n may not be perfect , some rattle more than others, a big plus on the merc,s side is the power train all that power under your right foot felt great , the sound of those engines just superb when you compare to the feeable cummins effort ,great in a straight line not so much around bends the lean on some could be alarming ,use to leave black cab , vans for dust, you can't say the same for the enviro 200. Most of my colleagues hate them.
I,ve re read your post reall 4778 , lol good one
LOL - interesting stuff though - thanks for posting, 2900!
With these new short E200s arriving at PB and WB, they'll be allowed into Birmingham City Centre, meaning we'll start seeing midibuses on double decker routes again ;) can't wait to see a midibus on the 16 or the Sutton Lines!
And I'd like to see some new doubles on the 97, it's one of the regions busiest and most frequent routes so deserving of them. Or I'd like to see the 55 get moved back to BC, so it could start using deckers (maybe new E400s?), maybe in return for the 98 and 99 to BY.
Quote from: JB93 on July 01, 2014, 03:28:19 AM
With these new short E200s arriving at PB and WB, they'll be allowed into Birmingham City Centre, meaning we'll start seeing midibuses on double decker routes again ;) can't wait to see a midibus on the 16 or the Sutton Lines!
I'd put money on them doing something as retarded as that, perhaps not the sutton lines but almost guaranteed on the 16/66/101 etc, and the 28
Hope they don't obviously, but seriously worried they will
It will happen at some point may be when a double decker isn't available and only a compliant midi bus is about for change bus purposes , if it saves on lost mileage it will be used. I,ve seen enviro 200 on West Bromwich 83/89 services when no deckers are available.
Quote from: 2900 on July 01, 2014, 09:05:50 AM
It will happen at some point may be when a double decker isn't available and only a compliant midi bus is about for change bus purposes , if it saves on lost mileage it will be used. I,ve seen enviro 200 on West Bromwich 83/89 services when no deckers are available.
Three out of the 4 will be on the 654 all day
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 01, 2014, 09:05:50 AM
It will happen at some point may be when a double decker isn't available and only a compliant midi bus is about for change bus purposes , if it saves on lost mileage it will be used. I,ve seen enviro 200 on West Bromwich 83/89 services when no deckers are available.
Three out of the 4 will be on the 654 all day
Guaranteed? Cause isn't that meant to be the case atm with the solos, but I swear an Omnilink has been on there
Quote from: Kevin on July 01, 2014, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 01, 2014, 09:05:50 AM
It will happen at some point may be when a double decker isn't available and only a compliant midi bus is about for change bus purposes , if it saves on lost mileage it will be used. I,ve seen enviro 200 on West Bromwich 83/89 services when no deckers are available.
Three out of the 4 will be on the 654 all day
Guaranteed? Cause isn't that meant to be the case atm with the solos, but I swear an Omnilink has been on there
Sorry I'm a little confused, there are 3 short E200s on the 654 today?
Quote from: Matt on July 01, 2014, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 01, 2014, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2014, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 01, 2014, 09:05:50 AM
It will happen at some point may be when a double decker isn't available and only a compliant midi bus is about for change bus purposes , if it saves on lost mileage it will be used. I,ve seen enviro 200 on West Bromwich 83/89 services when no deckers are available.
Three out of the 4 will be on the 654 all day
Guaranteed? Cause isn't that meant to be the case atm with the solos, but I swear an Omnilink has been on there
Sorry I'm a little confused, there are 3 short E200s on the 654 today?
I thought that at first. It sounds like we are getting 4 for the 654, with one spare each day
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the rest going to WB?
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that seems like a lot.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that sounds like a lot.
There are only 14. 751-64. See http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html)
Quote from: uniquicity on July 01, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that sounds like a lot.
There are only 14. 751-64. See http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html)
Ok, so unless
@Tony made a mistake, there's six short Enviro200s unaccounted for.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 01, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that sounds like a lot.
There are only 14. 751-64. See http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html)
Ok, so unless @Tony made a mistake, there's six short Enviro200s unaccounted for.
Typo. There are 14 which are not far off being delivered, hence why they are on the fleetlist
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2014, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 01, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that sounds like a lot.
There are only 14. 751-64. See http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html)
Ok, so unless @Tony made a mistake, there's six short Enviro200s unaccounted for.
Typo. There are 14 which are not far off being delivered, hence why they are on the fleetlist
Is there only a total of 14 short Enviro200s being delivered this year?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2014, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 01, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 01, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 01, 2014, 07:21:12 PM
Yes i assume 4 short wheelbase E200's will go to PB with the other 10 going to WB?
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 29, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Any idea of when the new envrios will entre service
at PB & Wb
The 20 short Enviro 200s should start to be delivered in the next two weeks
It sounds like WB are getting 16, though that sounds like a lot.
There are only 14. 751-64. See http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html)
Ok, so unless @Tony made a mistake, there's six short Enviro200s unaccounted for.
Typo. There are 14 which are not far off being delivered, hence why they are on the fleetlist
Is there only a total of 14 short Enviro200s being delivered this year?
All I am allowed to say is that there are 100 buses, all Alexander Dennis vehicles being delivered this year, of which the first 14 are short E200s. As everyone has realised there are also 20 E400s in Glasgow which will come south after the games. No-one has guessed the exact allocations for these yet, but I have been told I cannot say until they are delivered. Senior management had told people/Unions that the 14 E200s are for West Bromwich and the 654 so that is no secret, but for the rest of the information I am afraid you will have to wait for the time being
Will the E200s will all be Euro 5? The new Euro 6 E200 isn't coming for some months.
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
That's a surprise, wouldn't have thought that the Soho Road was the best use of new buses?
I,m thinking they the management are saving the mmc enviro 400 for more high profile routes , at least company can say it's invested in the soho road even if it's the out going model .
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
If correct that might explain AG sending it's presidents to dundee, WB gemini's & presidents to replace them?
Quote from: pb2012 on July 04, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
If correct that might explain AG sending it's presidents to dundee, WB gemini's & presidents to replace them?
are Dundee still receiving the 10 Y reg Tridents or are they just having Presidents now
Quote from: Andrew on July 04, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 04, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
If correct that might explain AG sending it's presidents to dundee, WB gemini's & presidents to replace them?
are Dundee still receiving the 10 Y reg Tridents or are they just having Presidents now
It's looking likely by the recent transfers that 10 x Presidents are now going to Dundee to operate the new Fife School routes
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 04, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 04, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
If correct that might explain AG sending it's presidents to dundee, WB gemini's & presidents to replace them?
are Dundee still receiving the 10 Y reg Tridents or are they just having Presidents now
It's looking likely by the recent transfers that 10 x Presidents are now going to Dundee to operate the new Fife School routes
That means NXD will need another 10 buses for August 2015 as the Presidents will be too old to operate the Fife school contracts. It also means that 4103 will have to be replaced by January!
Quote from: Kiewii on July 04, 2014, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 04, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 04, 2014, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 03, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: 2900 on July 03, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
Talk at west brom garage of new vehicles are of 10 short wheel based adl enviro 200 arriving any day now , later standard lengh enviro and enviro 400 for soho road services , by September 53 new buses that's what I,ve heard from Union office . Rather surprised by that .
53 new buses should be enough to signal the end of the Mercs, B6s and Darts.
If correct that might explain AG sending it's presidents to dundee, WB gemini's & presidents to replace them?
are Dundee still receiving the 10 Y reg Tridents or are they just having Presidents now
It's looking likely by the recent transfers that 10 x Presidents are now going to Dundee to operate the new Fife School routes
That means NXD will need another 10 buses for August 2015 as the Presidents will be too old to operate the Fife school contracts. It also means that 4103 will have to be replaced by January!
To be fair it finds a use for 10 x Presidents for another 12 months, by which time NX will be in the process of taking delivery of another 175 new buses which will provide numerous cascade options to send newer deckers to Dundee
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
53 new buses? Nice way to celebrate the 100th anniversary of West Bromwich Corporation
Quote from: uniquicity on July 04, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
53 new buses? Nice way to celebrate the 100th anniversary of West Bromwich Corporation
100 would have been even appropriate
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Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
Agreed, they are solid buses. Much better than the new crop of Enviros
I,ve been reading the adl website I noticed the mmc enviro 400 is also available for volvo/ scania chassis. Just wandering if any part of this 5 year deal will feature alexander volvos , just a thought we do have such buses at west brom/ perry Barr .
Quote from: 2900 on July 06, 2014, 12:00:30 PM
I,ve been reading the adl website I noticed the mmc enviro 400 is also available for volvo/ scania chassis. Just wandering if any part of this 5 year deal will feature alexander volvos , just a thought we do have such buses at west brom/ perry Barr .
I don't think so, as the 5 year deal was agreed with ADL only, if Volvo were involved I'd have expected them to have issued a press release
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 04, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
Unless you are a driver!
Looking at the Brochure .pdf file, all I can say to NX is 'God forbid you brand this bus' - Unless it's the Ticket branding at the upper deck windscreen, Route branding on the Screenwash panel would look a mess. It's so narrow, they'll just about fit the logo on there, even if they'd remove the ADL Badge. Or, they could use some vinyls (they are vinyls aren't they?) on the lower part of the windscreen...
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Quote from: DiamondDart on July 04, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
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Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
Unless you are a driver!
I'm sure there are some drivers on here who think they're ok? Mr 2900 for instance, I think Tony said the cab gave great visibility, and I think one of the BC drivers said 4116 was his favourite bus.
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2014, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 04, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
Unless you are a driver!
I'm sure there are some drivers on here who think they're ok? Mr 2900 for instance, I think Tony said the cab gave great visibility, and I think one of the BC drivers said 4116 was his favourite bus.
The cab does indeed give great visibility.....if you can get in it!! You can't turn to your right without smacking your elbow on the door. I have seen more generous straight jackets.
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2014, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 04, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 04, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 04, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
Could we start to see Presidents in Miller Street soon? :D :D :D
With the number of new buses due next year, I can see most if not all of the President fleet going next year. That quantity + this years deliveries is enough to see off all Solo's/Darts/B6LE/B10L/Mercs/Spectra's & Presidents. Unless any new services are planned next year, I can't see the total fleet increasing. At least the Presidents are likely to find buyers & be sold on for further service etc
Seems sensible, with the amount of money NX has spent on the Presidents then I don't think they'd be scrapped. Be weird seeing NX-spec Presidents in foreign areas.
I agree, I have thought they may be quite sought after by smaller companies for school services compared to dual ex London examples. They're already DDA spec as well.
I bet compared to an ex London example they are in far better condition as well with their 2007/8 flooring and repainted/refurbed interiors. Some have even been refurbed twice... Still, will be a shame to see them go as they're some of the best buses in the fleet...
Unless you are a driver!
I'm sure there are some drivers on here who think they're ok? Mr 2900 for instance, I think Tony said the cab gave great visibility, and I think one of the BC drivers said 4116 was his favourite bus.
The cab does indeed give great visibility.....if you can get in it!! You can't turn to your right without smacking your elbow on the door. I have seen more generous straight jackets.
I do like the Presidents, and have never had a problem with space
I've always preferred the Presidents to the Tridents - the Presidents actually have suspension, whilst the Tridents just bang straight into every gutter, drain etc. in the road. The Presidents also have decent heating and air flow - unlike the Tridents...
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 06, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
I've always preferred the Presidents to the Tridents - the Presidents actually have suspension, whilst the Tridents just bang straight into every gutter, drain etc. in the road. The Presidents also have decent heating and air flow - unlike the Tridents...
Agreed!
The placky president b7tl superior bus compared alx400 b7 tl, excellent visibility , if the cab has the small steering wheel cab is fine , the buses which have the steering wheel from a sailing ship not so good. Placky,s are from perfect I have always felt left hand side mirror is in a poor location , where the cab door parks and locks there is this chunky steel strip on occasions I have caught me knee cap on its excruciating pain, many drivers will have. When 4072 - 4082 came to Hockley new they were light years ahead of metrobus. It's a first generation low floor decker it's better than most ,still looks modern IMO , I,ve seen some refurbed transdev examples very very impressive vehicles .
Continuing on various b7tl,s , the wrightbus Gemini b7tl 4500 series on the whole excellent buses few dogs in that bunch, west brom only has a handful of the 4600 series Gemini so can't really give a fair assessment couple I,ve come across very slow. 4700 series Gemini,s on the whole disappointing compared to the 4500,s they rattle more ,not as fast , they do feel different drive. Having spent the last 8 years on the Dudley road it has taken its toll on them though. I hear that the Coventry Gemini have voith gearboxes and the alx 400 zf boxes , I prefer the zf box more suited to b7 , voith box seems to sap a lot of power before anything happens.
I saw one of the new models assuming it was a demonstrator bus going up the A1 in Doncaster earlier. They look really slick but at the same time rugged. So when PB assign the new versions next year to the 904/33 maybe the 94 might get some of the current versions. :P
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 10, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
I saw one of the new models assuming it was a demonstrator bus going up the A1 in Doncaster earlier. They look really slick but at the same time rugged. So when PB assign the new versions next year to the 904/33 maybe the 94 might get some of the current versions. :P
To be honest I quite like the Geminis on the 94. I do hope the 45/47 or the 97 get them though. I still stand by the fact that as a flagship 24 hour and extremely busy route, it shouldn't be running with 12 year old messy looking Tridents with awful, awful branding stuck all over them like a toddler got too excited with its sticker book.
@JB93 - There's something about the 97 branding that doesn't make me feel that its going to stay long. For me, I think that the new branding (with the 'band' separating the red and white) seals the deal, on Sutton Coldfield services and on the new Harborne Branding, which in my opinion should've been branded as Network Harborne...
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Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 10, 2014, 10:13:30 PM
I saw one of the new models assuming it was a demonstrator bus going up the A1 in Doncaster earlier. They look really slick but at the same time rugged. So when PB assign the new versions next year to the 904/33 maybe the 94 might get some of the current versions. :P
To be honest I quite like the Geminis on the 94. I do hope the 45/47 or the 97 get them though. I still stand by the fact that as a flagship 24 hour and extremely busy route, it shouldn't be running with 12 year old messy looking Tridents with awful, awful branding stuck all over them like a toddler got too excited with its sticker book.
The 97 branding would look much better on the refurbished tridents or geminis, rather than on the tridents with the poor repaints done back in 2010.
Quote from: 2900 on July 07, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
The placky president b7tl superior bus compared alx400 b7 tl, excellent visibility , if the cab has the small steering wheel cab is fine , the buses which have the steering wheel from a sailing ship not so good. Placky,s are from perfect I have always felt left hand side mirror is in a poor location , where the cab door parks and locks there is this chunky steel strip on occasions I have caught me knee cap on its excruciating pain, many drivers will have. When 4072 - 4082 came to Hockley new they were light years ahead of metrobus. It's a first generation low floor decker it's better than most ,still looks modern IMO , I,ve seen some refurbed transdev examples very very impressive vehicles .
I can concur with all that, the ones I drove all had the large steering wheel, hence the elbow bashing. I too did the knee thing! And the nearside mirror is virtually invisible on many of them, and because it is those cheap nasty plastic ones from the 90's they are generally so scuffed you can't see anything in them anyway.
4956 awaits Commonwealth duties...
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Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm thought it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i
thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Dear me. Let's be pedantic then.
"Sure" and "thought" have different definitions. Sure means you are completely confident that it was mentioned blah blah somewhere. Thought means you -think- it was mentioned blah blah somewhere.
I can't see anywhere in your comment saying "you think...".
Ughh...
The generic-ness of the Enviro 400 reminds me of this:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.lib.umn.edu%2Fmeyer769%2Fpsy_1001%2F2012%2F03%2F03%2Firobotsunny1.png&hash=ef365026c0846360c6c758db134e419560c60a18)
Sunny the robot!
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Dear me. Let's be pedantic then.
"Sure" and "thought" have different definitions. Sure means you are completely confident that it was mentioned blah blah somewhere. Thought means you -think- it was mentioned blah blah somewhere.
I can't see anywhere in your comment saying "you think...".
Ok so 2900 said WB will get them cause thats what he heard but Tony has the knowledge but can't say till he has been given the green light by the greater good at NXWM.
Rumour hurts when it doesn't or does happen. Lets just wait till we are told rather then going around the web with thoughts and he said she said chinese wispers as they don't help anyone.
Spotted 4773 on west brom ring road round 1pm heading towards the garage , weird seeing 997 branding in these parts , couple of the new short wheel based enviro 200 out in service on Monday so not wasting no time in garage up on arrival .
Quote from: 2900 on July 16, 2014, 12:05:28 AM
Spotted 4773 on west brom ring road round 1pm heading towards the garage , weird seeing 997 branding in these parts , couple of the new short wheel based enviro 200 out in service on Monday so not wasting no time in garage up on arrival .
Why is 4773 at WB, not at WA? Anyone could explain? Thanks a lot. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 16, 2014, 07:39:24 AM
Quote from: 2900 on July 16, 2014, 12:05:28 AM
Spotted 4773 on west brom ring road round 1pm heading towards the garage , weird seeing 997 branding in these parts , couple of the new short wheel based enviro 200 out in service on Monday so not wasting no time in garage up on arrival .
Why is 4773 at WB, not at WA? Anyone could explain? Thanks a lot. :)
Will probably be for MoT
Quote from: tank90 on July 15, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Dear me. Let's be pedantic then.
"Sure" and "thought" have different definitions. Sure means you are completely confident that it was mentioned blah blah somewhere. Thought means you -think- it was mentioned blah blah somewhere.
I can't see anywhere in your comment saying "you think...".
Ok so 2900 said WB will get them cause thats what he heard but Tony has the knowledge but can't say till he has been given the green light by the greater good at NXWM.
Rumour hurts when it doesn't or does happen. Lets just wait till we are told rather then going around the web with thoughts and he said she said chinese wispers as they don't help anyone.
Rumour can hurt when personal and private lives are concerned but buses? They're just buses after all. Nothing wrong with a bit of lively forum speculation.
Quote from: Mike K on July 16, 2014, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: tank90 on July 15, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Dear me. Let's be pedantic then.
"Sure" and "thought" have different definitions. Sure means you are completely confident that it was mentioned blah blah somewhere. Thought means you -think- it was mentioned blah blah somewhere.
I can't see anywhere in your comment saying "you think...".
Ok so 2900 said WB will get them cause thats what he heard but Tony has the knowledge but can't say till he has been given the green light by the greater good at NXWM.
Rumour hurts when it doesn't or does happen. Lets just wait till we are told rather then going around the web with thoughts and he said she said chinese wispers as they don't help anyone.
Rumour can hurt when personal and private lives are concerned but buses? They're just buses after all. Nothing wrong with a bit of lively forum speculation.
Going soft are we Mike? Man up. Geez. ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 16, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 16, 2014, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: tank90 on July 15, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 13, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 13, 2014, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Any clues where they will end up WB 74/75
I'm sure it was mentioned that there are no new double deckers due for WB this year.
Not true. 2900 announced 53 new buses coming to West Bromwich. See here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2834.msg103683#msg103683
I said i thought i read somewhere.... Obviously not. Cheers for the link though as i missed that post :)
Dear me. Let's be pedantic then.
"Sure" and "thought" have different definitions. Sure means you are completely confident that it was mentioned blah blah somewhere. Thought means you -think- it was mentioned blah blah somewhere.
I can't see anywhere in your comment saying "you think...".
Ok so 2900 said WB will get them cause thats what he heard but Tony has the knowledge but can't say till he has been given the green light by the greater good at NXWM.
Rumour hurts when it doesn't or does happen. Lets just wait till we are told rather then going around the web with thoughts and he said she said chinese wispers as they don't help anyone.
Rumour can hurt when personal and private lives are concerned but buses? They're just buses after all. Nothing wrong with a bit of lively forum speculation.
Going soft are we Mike? Man up. Geez. ;)
I do try to stay in touch with my feminine side LS.
Problem is it keeps telling me that I don't listen, can't multitask and keep leaving the toilet seat up.
Do you think nxwm might buy some enviro 300s?
Quote from: Chris2301 on July 16, 2014, 06:10:18 PM
Do you think nxwm might buy some enviro 300s?
I'd hope that they'd consider it. The product will have been developed considerably since the likes of 1908.
The deal was for a mix of 'double-deck and midibuses', no mention was made of full-length single-decks, so pretty much rules out E300s.
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2014, 06:22:17 PM
The deal was for a mix of 'double-deck and midibuses', no mention was made of full-length single-decks, so pretty much rules out E300s.
I thought so. That covers the next five years?
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2014, 06:22:17 PM
The deal was for a mix of 'double-deck and midibuses', no mention was made of full-length single-decks, so pretty much rules out E300s.
So we're stuck with Omnilinks...
Or maybe hope for some more Eclipses?
Quote from: Kevin on July 16, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 16, 2014, 06:22:17 PM
The deal was for a mix of 'double-deck and midibuses', no mention was made of full-length single-decks, so pretty much rules out E300s.
So we're stuck with Omnilinks...
Or maybe hope for some more Eclipses?
The deal means all buses produced over the next 5 years for NXBus UK are built by ADL therefore no Eclipses (The B8RLE as it is about to become)
Does the deal mean that NXWM can buy no other makes of bus during the next few years? I thought it was just a 5 year order for ADL products. While these should be enough (more or less) could NX not buy small batches of Volvos or other types?
Quote from: Stevo on July 17, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
Does the deal mean that NXWM can buy no other makes of bus during the next few years? I thought it was just a 5 year order for ADL products. While these should be enough (more or less) could NX not buy small batches of Volvos or other types?
NX have signed an 'exclusive' deal with ADL to only buy their products over the 5 year period.
Wow, so no new full length singles at all for 5 years?
Quote from: Kevin on July 17, 2014, 12:11:47 PM
Wow, so no new full length singles at all for 5 years?
Not necessarily. NX can take some E300s if needed and may well do
Quote from: Kevin on July 17, 2014, 12:11:47 PM
Wow, so no new full length singles at all for 5 years?
Not necessarily, I believe it was suggested on here at some point that NX could be taking E300's from next years orders.
NX don't have that much of a requirement for Midi's, by the time this years 100 new buses are delivered, there shouldn't be any Midi's left in need of replacement
Quote from: Winston on July 17, 2014, 12:29:10 PM
NX don't have that much of a requirement for Midi's, by the time this years 100 new buses are delivered, there shouldn't be any Midi's left in need of replacement
So what do the figures say? If you take out the amount of Midi's being delivered, and the Deckers, surely there's some numbers unaccounted for, which could be E300's? Obviously not this year, but think about it for next.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 17, 2014, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 17, 2014, 12:29:10 PM
NX don't have that much of a requirement for Midi's, by the time this years 100 new buses are delivered, there shouldn't be any Midi's left in need of replacement
So what do the figures say? If you take out the amount of Midi's being delivered, and the Deckers, surely there's some numbers unaccounted for, which could be E300's? Obviously not this year, but think about it for next.
Potentially there are up to another 500 new buses unaccounted for due between 2015-2018, assuming the full 600 due over 5 years is fulfilled.
I should image the press release was based upon the make-up of the 2014 orders and specific quantities for each type for the subsequent years is reasonably fluid to allow for changes in requirements.
Bus & Coach buyer claim 400 deckers & 200 midis have been ordered, but what would NXWM want with 200 Midi's when they only operate circa 84 now including Dundee.
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/natexs-100m-adl-order/
Quote from: Winston on July 17, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 17, 2014, 03:11:04 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 17, 2014, 12:29:10 PM
NX don't have that much of a requirement for Midi's, by the time this years 100 new buses are delivered, there shouldn't be any Midi's left in need of replacement
So what do the figures say? If you take out the amount of Midi's being delivered, and the Deckers, surely there's some numbers unaccounted for, which could be E300's? Obviously not this year, but think about it for next.
Potentially there are up to another 500 new buses unaccounted for due between 2015-2018, assuming the full 600 due over 5 years is fulfilled.
I should image the press release was based upon the make-up of the 2014 orders and specific quantities for each type for the subsequent years is reasonably fluid to allow for changes in requirements.
Bus & Coach buyer claim 400 deckers & 200 midis have been ordered, but what would NXWM want with 200 Midi's when they only operate circa 84 now including Dundee.
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/natexs-100m-adl-order/
By "Midis" they probably mean "Full Sized Single Deck" - It's not the first time B&C Magazine has got its wording wrong.
I think I'm right in saying the E200 comes in a long version for around 41 seats - as this is so close to a 12m E300 which is around a 43 - 44 seater perhaps there is no need for E300s.
Do you think they will order any scania engined e400s?
Quote from: Stevo on July 19, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
I think I'm right in saying the E200 comes in a long version for around 41 seats - as this is so close to a 12m E300 which is around a 43 - 44 seater perhaps there is no need for E300s.
The largest E200 can seat 39 people, while the largest E300 can seat 46 people.
Quote from: Stevo on July 19, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
I think I'm right in saying the E200 comes in a long version for around 41 seats - as this is so close to a 12m E300 which is around a 43 - 44 seater perhaps there is no need for E300s.
I don't think the E200's come that big, unless they are planning a longer version similar to the Streetlite Max. That kind of length would be equivalent to a Super pointer Dart.
Out of the blue here, but... Would anybody like it is NX had got some E400s with the Scania (N230UD) Chassis? I'd love to see one. Makes for changes...
EDIT: Hadn't realised Lauren had said something regarding Scania. And thanks for clearing it up, Tony.
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 19, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
Do you think they will order any scania engined e400s?
As the deal is exclusive Alexander Dennis it will not include any Scania Chassis
There's no such thing as a Scania-engined E400. What Stagecoach has is the ADL E400 body on the Scania chassis, quite different from the ADL chassis. The strange thing is that Scania is to use the Cummins engine for Euro6, so there won't be so much difference, although I think the Scania ride is better.
Quote from: Stevo on July 19, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
I think I'm right in saying the E200 comes in a long version for around 41 seats - as this is so close to a 12m E300 which is around a 43 - 44 seater perhaps there is no need for E300s.
Longest E200 seats 39,E300s seem to range from 41-45 Seating
Looking at the ADL website (which I should have done before posting) the euro 5 E200 comes in an 11.3m version which should seat over 40, but the Euro 6 only goes up to 10.8m which would be 37 - 39 seats.
If scania are to use cummins euro 6 engines in there chassis then why bother ordering it when adl own in house chassis will have it any way plus it will have zf axles on the e400 mmc should give a far better ride.
Quote from: Stevo on July 20, 2014, 08:44:13 PM
Looking at the ADL website (which I should have done before posting) the euro 5 E200 comes in an 11.3m version which should seat over 40, but the Euro 6 only goes up to 10.8m which would be 37 - 39 seats.
I Dont think ive ever seen a 11.3m 1 Door version,think london has a few that seat around 34
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
Does that mean some tridents or president might be transferring from wb maybe to pn
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 01, 2014, 07:33:14 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
Does that mean some tridents or president might be transferring from wb maybe to pn
West Brom don't have any Tridents. ;)
Potentially come September west brom won't have any full size single decker bus that will be weird. Not 100% if this going to be the case.
BC Enviros must be for the 24 then
Either the 59,60 or 24 would make sense. Is the 24 currently single deck operated? Because if it was couldn't these new Enviro 400s displace some Wright Eclipse Urbans which could then be sent to AG, to release some Scanias to YW, to therefore replace the Liberators there? Just an idea.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 01, 2014, 02:48:04 PM
Either the 59,60 or 24 would make sense. Is the 24 currently single deck operated? Because if it was couldn't these new Enviro 400s displace some Wright Eclipse Urbans which could then be sent to AG, to release some Scanias to YW, to therefore replace the Liberators there? Just an idea.
They are for the 24.
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
Quote from: Michael on August 01, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
That's because they are for Soho Rd
With 53 buses going to WB there are still 10 buses outstanding. 10 LWB E200's maybe?
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Michael on August 01, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
That's because they are for Soho Rd
With 53 buses going to WB there are still 10 buses outstanding. 10 LWB E200's maybe?
I believe it was already stated here earlier that WB would get 10 short (8.9m) E200s and 10 long (10.7m) E200s.
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
Thanks for clarifying that Nathan - really had no clue on the 24's operations. So some Tridents to be displaced then - maybe to WN to allow more Spectras to be withdrawn? The Tridents on the Soho Road at the moment I will assume shall be replacing the last of the Mercs at WB then.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
Same old? Soho Road has exactly the same buses you complain about on the94
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 01, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
Thanks for clarifying that Nathan - really had no clue on the 24's operations. So some Tridents to be displaced then - maybe to WN to allow more Spectras to be withdrawn? The Tridents on the Soho Road at the moment I will assume shall be replacing the last of the Mercs at WB then.
As mentioned above WB don't have any tridents :) They have ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL's which is the same bodywork used on our tridents. Easy mistake to make though
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
Same old? Soho Road has exactly the same buses you complain about on the94
I am well aware of that. I did say I am happy about the soho rd, my comment is more to do with allocation of resource and yet again the same area consistently getting the attention. However the Soho Road is a sign of them thinking outside the box for a change.
Quote from: Stu on August 01, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Michael on August 01, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
That's because they are for Soho Rd
With 53 buses going to WB there are still 10 buses outstanding. 10 LWB E200's maybe?
I believe it was already stated here earlier that WB would get 10 short (8.9m) E200s and 10 long (10.7m) E200s.
10 BC - 53 WB - 4 PB=67
Isn't there 33 outstanding buses still to come?
Quote from: pb2012 on August 01, 2014, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 01, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Michael on August 01, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
That's because they are for Soho Rd
With 53 buses going to WB there are still 10 buses outstanding. 10 LWB E200's maybe?
I believe it was already stated here earlier that WB would get 10 short (8.9m) E200s and 10 long (10.7m) E200s.
10 BC - 53 WB - 4 PB=67
Isn't there 33 outstanding buses still to come?
100 buses will be delivered by September. I keep hearing talk of E200's coming to WN soon (To replace the mercs) but i don't know if its true although it seems likely
Quote from: pb2012 on August 01, 2014, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 01, 2014, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Michael on August 01, 2014, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 06:30:28 AM
The reason no-one guessed where 4940 upwards are going correctly is you all presumed they were all going to the same garage.
4940~4949 BC
4950~4982 WB
33 for West Brom? Sounds like Soho Road's getting them!
That's because they are for Soho Rd
With 53 buses going to WB there are still 10 buses outstanding. 10 LWB E200's maybe?
I believe it was already stated here earlier that WB would get 10 short (8.9m) E200s and 10 long (10.7m) E200s.
10 BC - 53 WB - 4 PB=67
Isn't there 33 outstanding buses still to come?
neither the total of 53 for WB or the 10 long E200s for WB is correct.
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
Apologies then Tony. A member on here posted something about 53 buses going to WB
Sorry i meant currently left to come?
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 06:38:16 PM
Apologies then Tony. Cheers for clarifying that. A member on here posted something about 53 buses going to WB
I also recall something posted on here a while back about 10X LWB E200s
Not disputing it has been posted on here, just clarifying that the figure is not correct
Are the 10? E400 allocated to BC to replace 10 tridents going to dundee or have those plans now changed?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
If DTS is such a threat, then I'm going to eat a camera!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I was the first one to say the Enviros were for the 24, but everyone seems to have eluded that comment. It does make sense upgrading the 24 as the 22/23 has Hybrids and the 29/A has B7RLE
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
Hahahahaha! This post pleases me!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2014, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
Hahahahaha! This post pleases me!
Quick to react, is it new management these days? They have done ££&*( all to react to certain other corridors. 16 one I will name for a change lol.
Is Coventry due to have new E400's too?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14801954944/
Quote from: Sayeed on August 02, 2014, 05:05:07 PM
Is Coventry due to have new E400's too?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14801954944/
If the date is right, they must be. They might be to replace Mercedes, or even to displace some deckers to a WM garage
Quote from: Sayeed on August 02, 2014, 05:05:07 PM
Is Coventry due to have new E400's too?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45060815@N07/14801954944/
I would say CV is to get some if not all the remaning balance of E400 due?
There is a 14 plate stagecoach in the group of pics taken?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 02, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 02, 2014, 11:56:19 AM
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
Hahahahaha! This post pleases me!
Quick to react, is it new management these days? They have done ££&*( all to react to certain other corridors. 16 one I will name for a change lol.
NX has invested over recent years on corridors and more minor services - they invested in the 6 and 37 back in 2010, 2011 involved new buses for PB's 33 route, WA's 51, and BC's Harborne services. Then in 2012 much deserved new single deckers went to PE, WN, AG and BC. There was also the new Enviro 200s for the 99, 222 and some WB services. In 2013 there was the 900 and 957 Enviro 400s, which had not seen new buses for a while, the Sutton routes which allowed good condition E400s to get to YW (replacing some Tridents there) plus there were new Wrights and Enviros for CV. WB is now getting its turn for much needed new buses, and seemingly CV could be due some more. PB already last year received a bunch of new buses for the Sutton lines - they can't just receive another load of new buses the year after in a large amount. I could equally moan about the lack of new buses at YW currently, but I am sure NX will get round to getting some in the near future - they need to basically balance out the number of new buses for each depot.
The previous comment regarding the fact NX always invest in the same old areas - well that's not really true - they seem to spread it out fairly evenly really - remember all those Scania Omnilinks on the Chelmsley Wood and Lea Hall services back in 2008. Those at BY/PB were meant to replace some of the older buses in East Birmingham, which included the likes of the 97, 16 and others. They will get their turn again I am sure one day.
Quote from: Mike K on August 01, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
Typical once again West Brum as if Harborne are lacking newer vehicles and investment (same old same old). Not even like those routes have much competition. Resource in same old same old. WTF is going on with this management. Invest is same areas and generate profits and make no investments in area where people have no &^^%$ choice. Makes me sooooooo angry. I am glad about the WB soho rd ones though :). Right back to work to have another argument over trading terms with a certain supermarket chain.
I told you the 24 needed new buses. I'm led to believe that management had to act fast to combat the threat posed by Discount Travel Solutions on the Harborne corridor.
Take it PE may be due some new Enviro 400s for the 246 then, with GRS being such strong competition (Not) ;) ;) ;)
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I went on hybrid 24 on Saturday and there was a quite a few aswell as a enviro 400. I don't think they need them.
When will the wb ones be in service i know they r on the way
back to the west midlands
Quote from: Solo1 on August 04, 2014, 01:37:01 PM
When will the wb ones be in service i know they r on the way
back to the west midlands
They're not on their way down yet. I have just photographed 4 in service in Glasgow today. At least a week before any venture south yet
I would have thought the Enviro's in Glasgow would be needed for the V Festival.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
Quote from: clayderman on August 04, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 04, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Why are people still questioning this?!?!?! BC are getting TEN for the TWENTY FOUR.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 04, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Why are people still questioning this?!?!?! BC are getting TEN for the TWENTY FOUR.
I'm not questioning anything, I'm just making the point that ten wouldn't be enough for the Bristol Road or Pershore Road corridor
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
Quote from: wbdriver on August 05, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
AG are currently down 5 x Deckers i.e Presidents 4025/6, 4103, 4111 & 4112, something will need to replace these come end of August/early Sept
Quote from: wbdriver on August 05, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
PB need their Scanias to operate their single deck routes.
Quote from: Winston on August 05, 2014, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: wbdriver on August 05, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
AG are currently down 5 x Deckers i.e Presidents 4025/6, 4103, 4111 & 4112, something will need to replace these come end of August/early Sept
AG could get their 46**s back from WB and send 3 Presidents to Dundee, or 5 Presidents could transfer from WB to AG
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 05, 2014, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 05, 2014, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: wbdriver on August 05, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
AG are currently down 5 x Deckers i.e Presidents 4025/6, 4103, 4111 & 4112, something will need to replace these come end of August/early Sept
AG could get their 46**s back from WB and send 3 Presidents to Dundee, or 5 Presidents could transfer from WB to AG
To add to that, Dundee will still need another 5 Presidents to fulfill their new Fife School Bus contracts by end of August
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
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I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Why are people still questioning this?!?!?! BC are getting TEN for the TWENTY FOUR.
Sorry LS. Hadn't read a few pages. Although this was a rumour a while back? Nice to see we're getting new buses for the 24... Makes for a difference to school, but I can assure myself it will get boring after a while... Better cherish the Tridents while I can. As long as they don't stick anything in the rear windows. NX have got a tendency of doing this more recently... ::)
Alexander Dennis haven't wasted any time.
at 09:30 I was still photographing this batch in Glasgow. When I got back to Walsall 4940 was in the paintshop
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2014, 08:00:48 PM
Alexander Dennis haven't wasted any time.
at 09:30 I was still photographing this batch in Glasgow. When I got back to Walsall 4940 was in the paintshop
Is there going to be any sort of big launch for these buses or will it just be a case of into service asap Tony?
Quote from: clayderman on August 05, 2014, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 04, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Why are people still questioning this?!?!?! BC are getting TEN for the TWENTY FOUR.
Sorry LS. Hadn't read a few pages. Although this was a rumour a while back? Nice to see we're getting new buses for the 24... Makes for a difference to school, but I can assure myself it will get boring after a while... Better cherish the Tridents while I can. As long as they don't stick anything in the rear windows. NX have got a tendency of doing this more recently... ::)
Clayderman. The words 'cherish' and 'Tridents' don't belong in the same sentence. That is all.
The above post wins at every level.
in the grand scheme of things, the earlier Tridents haven't got that long left before withdrawl, after all with deckers when the Spectra's and Presidents have gone, they are next.
Quote from: Mike K on August 05, 2014, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 05, 2014, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 04, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2014, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 04, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 04, 2014, 07:58:18 AM
Quote from: JB93 on August 04, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
I do have to agree with the comments about Harborne being given maybe too much of the attention - the majority of buses running through Harborne are already brand new and to pass up a chance to invest in corridors that desperately need new buses to upgrade yet another Harborne service (which already regularly sees Enviro400s and hybrids anyway) seems like a wasted opportunity to me. A much used example is the 94. NX is competing with brand new, clean and attractive looking buses run by Claribels on the Washwood Heath Rd. corridor, and they still haven't responded with newer buses to combat it, instead using decade old buses on a route that hasn't seen any investment in over a decade. I understand there's method to their madness but it would just be nice to see NX really spreading the investment fairly over their services.
Yeighhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Someone actually agrees with me. What a start to a Monday lol.
I probably would've said otherwise... But it does seem fair, Harborne gets a fair share of current unbranded E400s, not to mention the whole ex-WN B5s being branded for services 22/23/24 and maybe 29... But 94 is a PB service. I think I remember somebody saying they were going to BC (and WB), which would make sense to upgrade the Pershore Road, or maybe Bristol Road.
BC are getting ten, which wouldn't be enough to upgrade either of those corridors.
Why are people still questioning this?!?!?! BC are getting TEN for the TWENTY FOUR.
Sorry LS. Hadn't read a few pages. Although this was a rumour a while back? Nice to see we're getting new buses for the 24... Makes for a difference to school, but I can assure myself it will get boring after a while... Better cherish the Tridents while I can. As long as they don't stick anything in the rear windows. NX have got a tendency of doing this more recently... ::)
Clayderman. The words 'cherish' and 'Tridents' don't belong in the same sentence. That is all.
You say that now, but when they're gone, you'll regret it! Mark my words... ;) lol, jk. But I will miss them on the 24, much like the Presidents.
Quote from: wbdriver on August 05, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
was thinking about this last night. Just me thinking out loud now:
33 new enviros to WB
54 plate and some 53 plate Geminis to WA
Tridents from WA to WN
Spectras withdrawn.
OR
new enviros to WB
ALX400 and Geminis to PB
Scanias from PB to YW and WA
B10s withdrawn
any other possibles?
I reckon they could refurb some WB Geminis and use them as a bit of an upgrade of sorts for the 94
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 10 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents.
E400s to BC (10 for the 24 @Liverpool Street!!) and cascade 10 Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!)
E400s to Coventry to replace all Mercs
E400s to PE to replace Mercs
Any Mercs in NX livery in good condition with long MOTs could replace any TWM livery ones left at PL.
E200s to WL, PL, WB and YW to replace B6 and B10 (suggested on basis type training may be happening at PL @nathan)
NB all of this is total conjecture and possible fantasy based on little pointers given in various posts recently. I would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and thus allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 10 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents.
E400s to BC (10 for the 24) and cascade 10 Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!)
E400s to Coventry to replace all Mercs
E400s to PE to replace Mercs
Any Mercs in NX livery in good condition with long MOTs could replace any TWM livery ones left at PL.
E200s to WL, PL, WB and YW to replace B6 and B10 (suggested on basis type training may be happening at PL).
NB all of this is total conjecture and possible fantasy based on little pointers given in various posts recently. I would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and this allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
All pretty plausible except
E400s to PE to replace Mercs & I think the B10L's could see in the new year
As I wrote in another thread, why send Gemini's from WB to AG to replace their Presidents when WB could use said Gemini's to replace their own Presidents. That would be a better attempt at upgrading the 5
Quote from: Winston on August 06, 2014, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 10 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents.
E400s to BC (10 for the 24) and cascade 10 Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!)
E400s to Coventry to replace all Mercs
E400s to PE to replace Mercs
Any Mercs in NX livery in good condition with long MOTs could replace any TWM livery ones left at PL.
E200s to WL, PL, WB and YW to replace B6 and B10 (suggested on basis type training may be happening at PL).
NB all of this is total conjecture and possible fantasy based on little pointers given in various posts recently. I would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and this allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
All pretty plausible except E400s to PE to replace Mercs & I think the B10L's could see in the new year
Curious to know why re PE? I'm presuming possibly 86 E400s making up 100 vehicles with 14 short E200s received so far. I tend to agree re B10 and this may apply to some B6 also. It looks like top priority is replacement of Mercs.
There won't be 86 E400's as more E200's are due for WN. But there was a pic on Flickr taken on1st August 2014 showing a E400 on the production line at the Falkirk ADL factory but in sky blue livery. Are CV having E400's soon?
Wow East brum might get some of the new shaped 400's then next year.
Quote from: Ashley on August 06, 2014, 11:32:16 PM
As I wrote in another thread, why send Gemini's from WB to AG to replace their Presidents when WB could use said Gemini's to replace their own Presidents. That would be a better attempt at upgrading the 5
Because AG will need 10 buses to replace Presidents going to Dundee and I would have thought reducing the imbalance of Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC will become a problem and skew vehicle age profiles at depots if all 100 odd are replaced in the same period of time. Reallocating would avoid this.
Quote from: Nathan on August 06, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
There won't be 86 E400's as more E200's are due for WN. But there was a pic on Flickr taken on1st August 2014 showing a E400 on the production line at the Falkirk ADL factory but in sky blue livery. Are CV having E400's soon?
Do you know how many E200s? Generally PL have had about 18 Mercs, presuming this is what will be replaced.
I based the suggestion of E400s to Coventry on that pic and the fact they have quite a few Mercs (and have withdrawn a couple in TWM livery recently)
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 06, 2014, 11:29:17 PM
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 10 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents.
E400s to BC (10 for the 24) and cascade 10 Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!)
E400s to Coventry to replace all Mercs
E400s to PE to replace Mercs
Any Mercs in NX livery in good condition with long MOTs could replace any TWM livery ones left at PL.
E200s to WL, PL, WB and YW to replace B6 and B10 (suggested on basis type training may be happening at PL).
NB all of this is total conjecture and possible fantasy based on little pointers given in various posts recently. I would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and this allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
All pretty plausible except E400s to PE to replace Mercs & I think the B10L's could see in the new year
Curious to know why re PE? I'm presuming possibly 86 E400s making up 100 vehicles with 14 short E200s received so far. I tend to agree re B10 and this may apply to some B6 also. It looks like top priority is replacement of Mercs.
PE have had a decent intake of new buses the past couple of years, I think cascaded Tridents at the most may release any Mercs from PE in poor condition for withdrawal. PE could get something new next year, possibly new E400's for the Hagley Rd if that become a gold corridor to coincide with Sprint in the future?
Don't forget there are also LWB E200's due, with approx 10 destined for WB in addition to the 10 x SWB examples
Could Coventry be gaining enviros to replace the Volvo/Alexanders they have, to cascade them to west bromwich (or Gemini's to Acocks Green?)
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 07, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Could Coventry be gaining enviros to replace the Volvo/Alexanders they have, to cascade them to west bromwich (or Gemini's to Acocks Green?)
Somehow I don't think WB will be needing any cascades
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 07, 2014, 02:50:13 PM
Could Coventry be gaining enviros to replace the Volvo/Alexanders they have, to cascade them to west bromwich (or Gemini's to Acocks Green?)
Highly unlikely as 4420 has just gone for repaint/refurb and 4422 has just recently been repainted/refurbed. I think they would have waited if they were planning to transfer them, and the geminis are needed at CV, otherwise there would be no decent buses left!!
At yesterday's "Your Public Transport Matters" event in Coventry a NX senior manager openly stated the new Enviros due for Coventry are for route 13, initially not branded. So who knows the Gemini's might be off!
Quote from: JoNi on August 08, 2014, 10:28:30 AM
At yesterday's "Your Public Transport Matters" event in Coventry a NX senior manager openly stated the new Enviros due for Coventry are for route 13, initially not branded. So who knows the Gemini's might be off!
There is only one Gemini on the 13 today. Coventry are getting 4983-4995 (13 Enviro 400s) which will be enough to fully convert the 13 to new buses. It needs more than 10 buses so currently cannot be fully Gemini anyway
So that's 56 Enviro 400s accounted for so far, is this the complete order for 2014?
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
Bearing in mind any cascading to the West Midlands requires the cost of repainting or covering the sky-blue in red, I would hope and expect the new Enviros will just replace end of life Mercs, not to mention bolster the double-deck allocation :D. Coventry's Geminis will hopefully find themselves a new niche, service 10 would be nice. 8)
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 08, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
So that's 56 Enviro 400s accounted for so far, is this the complete order for 2014?
I meant to say in my last post that we know the CV E400s are the 'old' type and I thought NXWM expected some new-style E400s this year. Perhaps the first new-style E400s won't be here till 2015.
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Thank god for that! It would be beyond stupid to keep the mercs and transfer the Geminis. I still think they should've kept the Scanias allowing an extra 15 Mercs to be withdrawn last year.
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Thank god for that! It would be beyond stupid to keep the mercs and transfer the Geminis. I still think they should've kept the Scanias allowing an extra 15 Mercs to be withdrawn last year.
But then B10Ls still would've been at PB
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Thank god for that! It would be beyond stupid to keep the mercs and transfer the Geminis. I still think they should've kept the Scanias allowing an extra 15 Mercs to be withdrawn last year.
But then B10Ls still would've been at PB
PB could have replaced them with their new enviros they received last year and kept some of the older ones also and put them on the 952 etc freeing up their scanias for the 66? Or they could've kept their ex Dundee ones and 1837?
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:33:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:30 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Thank god for that! It would be beyond stupid to keep the mercs and transfer the Geminis. I still think they should've kept the Scanias allowing an extra 15 Mercs to be withdrawn last year.
But then B10Ls still would've been at PB
PB could have replaced them with their new enviros they received last year and kept some of the older ones also and put them on the 952 etc freeing up their scanias for the 66? Or they could've kept their ex Dundee ones and 1837?
But then would Yardley Wood have received 4718-4732 and WB got 4247-4250 from PB, which then allowed YW and WB to withdrawn some of their older vehicles respectively.
Pls you couldn't have b10's as the main allocation of the 952 because of the emission zone
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 08, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM
Are the Geminis leaving!? Someone please tell me, I'm getting worried now! :( Anyone...?
Doubt it, they will more than likely cascade the Gemini's on to other routes and withdraw Mercs instead
The Commercial Director's staff 'business brief' newsletter today says they are to replace Mercedes.
Thank god for that! It would be beyond stupid to keep the mercs and transfer the Geminis. I still think they should've kept the Scanias allowing an extra 15 Mercs to be withdrawn last year.
I can only think that last years complex cascade of vehicles, which ultimately replaced Mercs and maybe odd B10 and B6 was done because the remaining CV Mercs were in better condition than those replaced elsewhere.
They could've transferred 15 Tridents from CV to YW, allowing them to transfer Scanias to PB?
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 09, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
They could've transferred 15 Tridents from CV to YW, allowing them to transfer Scanias to PB?
YW doesn't want to loose it's Omnilinks from the 6
Quote from: Winston on August 09, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 09, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
They could've transferred 15 Tridents from CV to YW, allowing them to transfer Scanias to PB?
YW doesn't want to loose it's Omnilinks from the 6
YW does not need any more old buses - in particular not Tridents! I'd welcome any bus to YW apart from any more Tridents. I'm hoping at some point some more Scanias will make the transfer over when the sad day comes when B10Ls are withdrawn at YW.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 09, 2014, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 09, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 09, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
They could've transferred 15 Tridents from CV to YW, allowing them to transfer Scanias to PB?
YW doesn't want to loose it's Omnilinks from the 6
YW does not need any more old buses - in particular not Tridents! I'd welcome any bus to YW apart from any more Tridents. I'm hoping at some point some more Scanias will make the transfer over when the sad day comes when B10Ls are withdrawn at YW.
I can see some AG or the ex LH Scanias going to YW eventually, replacing the B10s. Either that or some more Tridents.
Changed predictions:-
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 19 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents 10 and 9 Scanias to YW to replace B10Ls
E400s to BC (10 for the 24 @Liverpool Street!!) and cascade 9Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!) 2 via Walsall and 1 to Walsall
E400s to Coventry to replace 13Mercs
26 - E200s to WL to replace B6 and B10 and PL to replace Mercs or B6
4 E400s to ?????? (I'd say Washwood Heath if this was BCT/WMPTE days - so say PB!!
The level of bus fantasy and excitement is so high when new deliveries are happening - it's been the same since the BCT GON Fleetlines for me! But in the age of the internet information is much quicker - it'd take weeks/months after deliveries had been completed and buses withdrawn/transferred to figure out what had happenedI would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and thus allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
Quote from: don on August 10, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
Changed predictions:-
Quote from: don on August 06, 2014, 11:17:58 PM
Here's a controversial idea ..........
E400s to WB to replace all Mercs and cascade 19 B7TL to AG to replace Presidents 10 and 9 Scanias to YW to replace B10Ls
E400s to BC (10 for the 24 @Liverpool Street!!) and cascade 9Tridents (old) to WN to replace Mercs (fabulous if they were ones which were at PL when new!!) 2 via Walsall and 1 to Walsall
E400s to Coventry to replace 13Mercs
26 - E200s to WL to replace B6 and B10 and PL to replace Mercs or B6
4 E400s to ?????? (I'd say Washwood Heath if this was BCT/WMPTE days - so say PB!!
The level of bus fantasy and excitement is so high when new deliveries are happening - it's been the same since the BCT GON Fleetlines for me! But in the age of the internet information is much quicker - it'd take weeks/months after deliveries had been completed and buses withdrawn/transferred to figure out what had happenedI would also expect the remaining Presidents at AG and early Tridents at BC to be reallocated to reduce the numbers at these depots and thus allow a more orderly and even replacement programme - thus a final allocation of 20 at each depot (including Dundee) would deal with this.
What about WA to replace the B6 & B10?
Part of the 26 E200s suggested, mentioned above.
Not sure if any of the other enthusiasts of advancing years have noticed this but 33 E400s to WB for the Soho Rd is very reminiscent of 32 Fleetlines in 1971 for the one person operation conversion (4099-4108 and 4136-4157) - but they were supplemented by 32 others (17 at Hockley and 15 at Wolverhampton (4082-4098 and 4036-4050). And the previous batch was 4051-4081 for Harborne services so further similarities!!
Quote from: don on August 10, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
Part of the 26 E200s suggested, mentioned above.
Don,
There can't be any more than 29 x E200's LWB due in total:
100 x New buses delivered during 2014
10 x E400's to BC
33 x E400's to WB
13 x E400's to CV
10 x E200 SWB to WB
4 x E200's SWB to PB
Circa 10 x E200's LWB to WB
Circa 14 x E200's LWB to WN
That leaves approx 6 new buses unaccounted for
Quote from: Winston on August 10, 2014, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: don on August 10, 2014, 11:48:58 AM
Part of the 26 E200s suggested, mentioned above.
Don,
There can't be any more than 29 x E200's LWB due in total:
100 x New buses delivered during 2014
10 x E400's to BC
33 x E400's to WB
13 x E400's to CV
10 x E200 SWB to WB
4 x E200's SWB to PB
Circa 10 x E200's LWB to WB
Circa 14 x E200's LWB to WN
That leaves approx 6 new buses unaccounted for
Winston,
I was presuming a round number of E400s as in previous deliveries and WB having no more buses for now (43 being the total - Tony has said previous quoted numbers for WB were wrong). But we'll have to wait and see. Your total for WN seems high bearing in mind Trident cascades have already started (presumably to replace Mercs).
4950 4951 and 4952 were all on the 74/75 service on friday all noted at West bromwich bus stn. can anyone tell me where the last 13 new vehicles are destined for? Ie The sequence from 4983-4995? poss YW maybe?? :-\ :-\
Quote from: windy miller on August 10, 2014, 05:59:35 PM
4950 4951 and 4952 were all on the 74/75 service on friday all noted at West bromwich bus stn. can anyone tell me where the last 13 new vehicles are destined for? Ie The sequence from 4983-4995? poss YW maybe?? :-\ :-\
Coventry mate!
Coventry? do you have any idea which vehicles they are likely to replace by any chance.. :-\
Quote from: windy miller on August 10, 2014, 06:43:14 PM
Coventry? do you have any idea which vehicles they are likely to replace by any chance.. :-\
Tony has already posted further up this thread that 4983-4995 will replace Mercs at NXC
thanks winston... I must have missed the previous post :-[ :)
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Annoyingly, there's no ST14 LST :( (Roughly 14th Saint Liverpool Street... In my mind)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 13, 2014, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Annoyingly, there's no ST14 LST :( (Roughly 14th Saint Liverpool Street... In my mind)
I have typed ST for the Coventry ones, they should be SL same as the Glasgow ones. I will correct the main site in about an hour
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 13, 2014, 08:13:43 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Annoyingly, there's no ST14 LST :( (Roughly 14th Saint Liverpool Street... In my mind)
I have typed ST for the Coventry ones, they should be SL same as the Glasgow ones. I will correct the main site in about an hour
Thanks Tony - I initially thought it was not erroneous on your part.
So again the body numbers are not in sequence with the fleet numbers.
4944 on 24 today, highest numbered BC one i have seen.
What service are the new envrios in Coventry going to
be on
Quote from: Solo1 on August 14, 2014, 08:27:15 AM
What service are the new envrios in Coventry going to
be on
The 13, this has been discussed earlier
Quote from: 37351ml on August 14, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
4944 on 24 today, highest numbered BC one i have seen.
Saw one on the 957 this morning in the city centre, *think* it was 4945, although now I get a feeling it may have been 4943
Quote from: Kevin on August 14, 2014, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: 37351ml on August 14, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
4944 on 24 today, highest numbered BC one i have seen.
Saw one on the 957 this morning in the city centre, *think* it was 4945, although now I get a feeling it may have been 4943
4943 is out on the 957
4945 was on the 59 this evening. I think it was the extra that comes out for the evening peak. If so it was it's first run in service from BC.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 14, 2014, 07:50:10 PM
4945 was on the 59 this evening. I think it was the extra that comes out for the evening peak. If so it was it's first run in service from BC.
That's also a Noteworthy Working as its usually 100% Trident. I'll keep an eye on the 900/957 just in case 4945 appears on either :)
Quote from: Rob on August 14, 2014, 07:54:31 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 14, 2014, 07:50:10 PM
4945 was on the 59 this evening. I think it was the extra that comes out for the evening peak. If so it was it's first run in service from BC.
That's also a Noteworthy Working as its usually 100% Trident. I'll keep an eye on the 900/957 just in case 4945 appears on either :)
Im sure its been said that theres a peak bus that starts on the 59 then goes onto the 900 so this could be a usual working?
Looking at 4943 today I see it's identical to the earlier E400s including weight, so they must be Euro 5 and not Euro 6 which was suggested earlier and which would add 500 kgs or so. I'd guess that the recent E200s are Euro 5 too.
4949 on 45 yesterday morning
While parked in the lay over bay at WB bus station an E400 E40D pulled in so I thought let's have look around, first impressions of the lower saloon how roomy it feels, it seems wider than any of the B7TL,s, I do like the grey look inside I feel this will age better , I know not every one likes it. IMO it looks way better than the blue never been a fan of it, it needs to be kept clean to look good, as every one can see it's rarely the case. I did like the cab it looked spacious,bright and airy, it made me realise how dated the b7TL,s have become. Engine sounds quite smooth to me. While chatting away with other drivers I told them this is now an old model wait till you see the replacement it's light years ahead of this, there jaws dropped when I mentioned the spec of the e400 mmc.
Quote from: 2900 on August 17, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
While parked in the lay over bay at WB bus station an E400 E40D pulled in so I thought let's have look around, first impressions of the lower saloon how roomy it feels, it seems wider than any of the B7TL,s, I do like the grey look inside I feel this will age better , I know not every one likes it. IMO it looks way better than the blue never been a fan of it, it needs to be kept clean to look good, as every one can see it's rarely the case. I did like the cab it looked spacious,bright and airy, it made me realise how dated the b7TL,s have become. Engine sounds quite smooth to me. While chatting away with other drivers I told them this is now an old model wait till you see the replacement it's light years ahead of this, there jaws dropped when I mentioned the spec of the e400 mmc.
I agree, the grey does look good, modern-wise, however, it makes the interior seem darker, but more (for lack of a better word) posh. I do like the blue. I think it adds character and brightness during those gloomy winter days... Presidents in particular.
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Any clues as to why these were built/delivered before WB 4960-4982? A little curious and I'm presuming NX decided these were needed more urgently rather than other possibilities such as ADL ran out of NX red paint? Or maybe NX didn't want too many of WB's new vehicles fall due for maintenance cycles or MOT at the same time in the future?
Whatever, it's one of those great bus enthusiast curiosities currently!!
Quote from: don on August 17, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Any clues as to why these were built/delivered before WB 4960-4982? A little curious and I'm presuming NX decided these were needed more urgently rather than other possibilities such as ADL ran out of NX red paint? Or maybe NX didn't want too many of WB's new vehicles fall due for maintenance cycles or MOT at the same time in the future?
Whatever, it's one of those great bus enthusiast curiosities currently!!
Nothing more sinister than this
NX orders 20 new Enviro 400s in time for the Commonwealth games. (Order number E406 - see body numbers)
These are later allocated to BC/WB
NX orders 36 new Enviro 400s (Order number E424) to be split between CV (13 to be delivered first, followed by WB (23)
CV delivery first, but to keep WB fleetnumbers in one block the CV ones are numbered at the end of the batch
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2014, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: don on August 17, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Some could be here next week
Any clues as to why these were built/delivered before WB 4960-4982? A little curious and I'm presuming NX decided these were needed more urgently rather than other possibilities such as ADL ran out of NX red paint? Or maybe NX didn't want too many of WB's new vehicles fall due for maintenance cycles or MOT at the same time in the future?
Whatever, it's one of those great bus enthusiast curiosities currently!!
Nothing more sinister than this
NX orders 20 new Enviro 400s in time for the Commonwealth games. (Order number E406 - see body numbers)
These are later allocated to BC/WB
NX orders 36 new Enviro 400s (Order number E424) to be split between CV (13 to be delivered first, followed by WB (23)
CV delivery first, but to keep WB fleetnumbers in one block the CV ones are numbered at the end of the batch
Thanks, Tony. Interesting coincidence but double deckers with 28xx and 69xx numbers matching the new vehicles have also worked at/ started new at Coventry in the past.
Probably a silly question, but that's the difference between the E40D and Dennis Trident engine? I thought the latest Enviros had a Dennis Trident 2 engine, which is Euro 5. I probably sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, which I probably don't, any help?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 18, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Probably a silly question, but that's the difference between the E40D and Dennis Trident engine? I thought the latest Enviros had a Dennis Trident 2 engine, which is Euro 5. I probably sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, which I probably don't, any help?
I presume you mean a Cummins Engine. I know Euro 3 Tridents have a Cummins ISce 225 30 engine (Just reading off the manufacturers plate). Then i would imagine the 47** and 48** (4800-29) would have a Euro 4 spec Cummins Engine and 4830 onwards will have a Euro 5 Spec Cummins engine.
No doubt there is somebody on here who could explain in detail :)
Tridents had the Cummins C series 8.3 litre engine, which was also fitted to early E400s including 4698. This engine was not offered for Euro4 and instead the B series engine - as fitted to the Dart and Metrorider - was modified, including being enlarged from 5.9 litre to 6.7 litre. Later E400s including all of NXWM's deliveries have the B series, the Isbe4. This was later upgraded to Euro 5 and now Euro 6 spec.
One of the very first Euro4 B series was fitted to WN's 4585 experimentally. Has it still got that engine?
stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?
Quote from: mranon on August 19, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?
Yes 4586 has a Euro 4 spec engine compared to the Euro 3 spec fitted to the rest of the batch.
Sorry - I thought afterwards it was 4586 not 4585. I did travel on it on the 79 from Wolves to Brum (some years past!) and it sounded different to the normal Tridents but not as different as I expected. It was more similar than different - if that makes sense. I did see it broken down in Birmingham, again some years ago - lots of smoke - and wondered if it was the experimental engine that had given up the ghost.
Quote from: mranon on August 19, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?
4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge
Quote from: Nathan on August 19, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: mranon on August 19, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?
4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge
There's more than that: add 4148, 4172, 4178/9, 4185, 4619 & 4633/4 to the above
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 19, 2014, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: mranon on August 19, 2014, 11:10:58 AM
stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?
4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge
There's more than that: add 4148, 4172, 4178/9, 4185, 4619 & 4633/4 to the above
Cheers Winston. I forgot to put 4633/4 on the list but apart from that i wasn't aware of the ones you posted
Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 19, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?
Hahaha! I didn't notice the "OCD" on the reg plate until now! ;)
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 19, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 19, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?
Hahaha! I didn't notice the "OCD" on the reg plate until now! ;)
The same goes for those who drive Coventry's 4409: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4409.html
Looks like a friend of mine now has 2 buses suited for him ;)
Of note, some of the E400s for Coventry have the same endings on their registrations as some Coventry Tridents do, nice coincidence!
The general concensous here at west brom garage regarding the new ADL E40D,s is drivers like them vast improvement some say , slow to pull away is only issue I hear, one said its a safety feature so passengers don't go flying out the back windows, ah the metrobus was great for this in my younger days when some twat annoyed me I,d pull away sharp,ish and watch the moron eat fabric and the same when he,d get off heavy with the brakes eat the bulk head , Oh before any one starts not condoning what I use to do ,very hot headed naive 20 year old back then. The drivers saying there is power cause they fly up hill.
Haha 2900 I love it!!! Back when we didn't live in this silly nanny complain culture I presume??
back then not every one had mobile fone, nobody had even heard of multi media, theres no fun in the job anymore, just sit in the cab turn the steering wheel gently. Here at west brom we get monthly traffic log print outs of our driving standards so far i,ve had gold,silver and red, to much idling,i know switch engine off at timing points.
OMG WHAT A PILE OF CRAP.
Are the West Brom Enviro400s still going to be gaining Soho Rd branding? I'm waiting to see one appear on the 5
Quote from: John on August 20, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
Are the West Brom Enviro400s still going to be gaining Soho Rd branding? I'm waiting to see one appear on the 5
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Hope they do. I'd imagine they'd go along the lines of the Harborne Branding though.
'city centre | Hockley | Soho Road | West Bromwich'
Quote from: John on August 20, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
Are the West Brom Enviro400s still going to be gaining Soho Rd branding? I'm waiting to see one appear on the 5
4950 appeared on the 5 Friday peak
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 19, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html
I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?
Nice spot
Can anyone tell me if these new decker enviro's actually work after 7pm... ? I spent an hour in B'ham tonight ..only saw one, 4940 (on a cranes pk service). Maybe they don't like me :) :'(
Quote from: windy miller on August 20, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
Can anyone tell me if these new decker enviro's actually work after 7pm... ? I spent an hour in B'ham tonight ..only saw one, 4940 (on a cranes pk service). Maybe they don't like me :) :'(
4943 is still out (on the 900)
4949 is still out (also on the 60)
4956 & 4959 are still out on the 74/75
Many thanks Tony. Do you happen to know the PVR for the 74/75 please? (daytime) :-\
Quote from: windy miller on August 20, 2014, 09:27:15 PM
Many thanks Tony. Do you happen to know the PVR for the 74/75 please? (daytime) :-\
Between 31 and 33, don't know exactly
With NXWM deal with ADL, onces thats finish (forgot how long it was for) would that mark the end for all tridents?
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
With NXWM deal with ADL, onces thats finish (forgot how long it was for) would that mark the end for all tridents?
The deal is for 500 vehicles, so even if it was to replace all deckers (which is isn't) that would only take out 4001-4500, so no!
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
With NXWM deal with ADL, onces thats finish (forgot how long it was for) would that mark the end for all tridents?
It was for 5 years and no, as it wouldn't include the 03/53/04/54 plate Tridents at WN & BC, possibly neither some of the 52 plate Tridents at YW & CV
Tony, I thought thebdel was for 600 vehicles?
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 21, 2014, 11:52:01 PM
Tony, I thought thebdel was for 600 vehicles?
It was, but 100 will have delivered by end of Sept
I saw three Coventry E400s coming south over the Thelwall viaduct on the M6 at about 1030 this morning - I couldn't catch the numbers.
Quote from: Stevo on August 26, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
I saw three Coventry E400s coming south over the Thelwall viaduct on the M6 at about 1030 this morning - I couldn't catch the numbers.
They were 4991, 4992 & 4993 :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWRNvbWaIc
Not so surprising the E400 was the subject of "How It's Made"'s Double Decker bus build.
Do you think there will be anymore 64 plates buses coming or is the next batch due when the 15 plates arrive
about half an hour ago I saw an E400 parked up by the Birmingham Test Centre on Wharton street (near star city), too far away to get an id and was in a rush to get me lunch at the cafe, and by the time id finished it had gone already
Quote from: Chris2301 on September 03, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Do you think there will be anymore 64 plates buses coming or is the next batch due when the 15 plates arrive
If the January date for Platinum services is correct, then yes, more will be 64 plates.
Do you know which routes these higher spec services will be?
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 04, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Do you know which routes these higher spec services will be?
Walsall Road 51/X51 which may now include the 997 as the X51/997 will interwork from end of Oct
900 & 957
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2014, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 04, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Do you know which routes these higher spec services will be?
Walsall Road 51/X51 which may now include the 997 as the X51/997 will interwork from end of Oct
900 & 957
One would think that the 97 would get the 900/957 buses to replace the Tridents as the 97 is one of the premier services due to it being 24hrs.
Quote from: tank90 on September 04, 2014, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2014, 12:11:22 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 04, 2014, 11:45:58 AM
Do you know which routes these higher spec services will be?
Walsall Road 51/X51 which may now include the 997 as the X51/997 will interwork from end of Oct
900 & 957
One would think that the 97 would get the 900/957 buses to replace the Tridents as the 97 is one of the premier services due to it being 24hrs.
I don't think there would be enough to upgrade the 97, Pershore Road or something though?
The 94 is being upgraded towards the latter half of the year. Cast offs I suspect but that what an email from NXWM said.
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Quote from: Chris2301 on September 03, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Do you think there will be anymore 64 plates buses coming or is the next batch due when the 15 plates arrive
If the January date for Platinum services is correct, then yes, more will be 64 plates.
Guna sound like a noob but what are platinum services?
Quote from: Chris2301 on September 04, 2014, 07:20:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Quote from: Chris2301 on September 03, 2014, 03:39:46 PM
Do you think there will be anymore 64 plates buses coming or is the next batch due when the 15 plates arrive
If the January date for Platinum services is correct, then yes, more will be 64 plates.
Guna sound like a noob but what are platinum services?
These will be the select 'upgraded' services operating along Centro's designated 'gold corridors' as has been previously discussed here.
My fitness first branch has platinum status but looking at the state if it, means jack. Not being hinting at anything lol.
4961 was heading south on the M6 around 6pm, north of junction 16
Not about the E400, not even in the UK - but heres the progression of MMC in North America, starting with their new styled E500s... They do look nicer, in my opinion, I think the front bumper gives the overall look a better finish. However, on all American ADL products, I find the rear lights are too big (stylewise) - I'm sure it helps during dark hours of the night... :)
Quote from: clayderman on October 21, 2014, 11:24:34 PM
Not about the E400, not even in the UK - but heres the progression of MMC in North America, starting with their new styled E500s... They do look nicer, in my opinion, I think the front bumper gives the overall look a better finish. However, on all American ADL products, I find the rear lights are too big (stylewise) - I'm sure it helps during dark hours of the night... :)
Do you have any pictures?
Quote from: Nathan on October 22, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: clayderman on October 21, 2014, 11:24:34 PM
Not about the E400, not even in the UK - but heres the progression of MMC in North America, starting with their new styled E500s... They do look nicer, in my opinion, I think the front bumper gives the overall look a better finish. However, on all American ADL products, I find the rear lights are too big (stylewise) - I'm sure it helps during dark hours of the night... :)
Do you have any pictures?
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/gallery/enviro500-north-america-exterior/
I wonder with this new BBC3 reality TV show coming, it might make potential stars out of the Chelmsley Wood crew. Surely routes like 97 & 94 might qualify for an upgrade then, these routes will probably end up carrying TV stars. :) ::)
Quote from: clayderman on October 22, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 22, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: clayderman on October 21, 2014, 11:24:34 PM
Not about the E400, not even in the UK - but heres the progression of MMC in North America, starting with their new styled E500s... They do look nicer, in my opinion, I think the front bumper gives the overall look a better finish. However, on all American ADL products, I find the rear lights are too big (stylewise) - I'm sure it helps during dark hours of the night... :)
Do you have any pictures?
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/gallery/enviro500-north-america-exterior/
Au contraire. I dislike the bumpers, it doesn't look right to me.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 22, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
I wonder with this new BBC3 reality TV show coming, it might make potential stars out of the Chelmsley Wood crew. Surely routes like 97 & 94 might qualify for an upgrade then, these routes will probably end up carrying TV stars. :) ::)
I extremely doubt it, i mean when have our buses carried celebrities... and i reckon the 94 could be given a bit of an upgrade next year, if the Platinum buses replace 13 Plate E400's, so those could be cascaded for the 94. Just an idea, no one bite my head off
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 22, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
I wonder with this new BBC3 reality TV show coming, it might make potential stars out of the Chelmsley Wood crew. Surely routes like 97 & 94 might qualify for an upgrade then, these routes will probably end up carrying TV stars. :) ::)
Didn't work for the 101 with Benefits Street.
Ha ha fair point. That was just a Street, this is a whole area lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 22, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
I wonder with this new BBC3 reality TV show coming, it might make potential stars out of the Chelmsley Wood crew. Surely routes like 97 & 94 might qualify for an upgrade then, these routes will probably end up carrying TV stars. :) ::)
I had Wendy Richards as a passenger on 3225 once!
Asin Pauline Fowler Wendy Richards!!!! Wow I'd of been star struck
Quote from: danny on October 23, 2014, 01:37:15 AM
Asin Pauline Fowler Wendy Richards!!!! Wow I'd of been star struck
Yes, but she was Miss Brahms to me (are you being served)
That was nice Tony, I had Nora Batty get on a No 9 in broad street once she was very chatty all the way to the strathallon hotel, cant remember her real name?
Quote from: midlandred2003 on October 23, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
That was nice Tony, I had Nora Batty get on a No 9 in broad street once she was very chatty all the way to the strathallon hotel, cant remember her real name?
Kathy Staff?
Quote from: midlandred2003 on October 23, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
That was nice Tony, I had Nora Batty get on a No 9 in broad street once she was very chatty all the way to the strathallon hotel, cant remember her real name?
Would that be during her time on Crossroads? There's many stories about the cast using local buses to get to the ATV/Central studios.
I've got a great photo of Noele Gordon and Tony Adams on board a WMPTE fleetline. Another story is Noele Gordon telling the producer that a cast member was going to be late. 'Ive just passed her at the bus stop' as she drove into the studio in her Rolls Royce.
Apologies for going off topic!
May be of interest - someone's blog post on the Enviro 400MMC and their ride on it
http://wltmauc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/the-major-model-change-part-1.html
I am slightly concerned to see that the ride is slightly harder than previously. The ride couldn't get any firmer than the current Enviro 400s surely!
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 22, 2014, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: clayderman on October 22, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 22, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: clayderman on October 21, 2014, 11:24:34 PM
Not about the E400, not even in the UK - but heres the progression of MMC in North America, starting with their new styled E500s... They do look nicer, in my opinion, I think the front bumper gives the overall look a better finish. However, on all American ADL products, I find the rear lights are too big (stylewise) - I'm sure it helps during dark hours of the night... :)
Do you have any pictures?
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/gallery/enviro500-north-america-exterior/
Au contraire. I dislike the bumpers, it doesn't look right to me.
Yeah the design for that has had a heavy influence from USA road laws. Larger rear light clusters, the big bumpers, the generic steering wheel etc etc
Video I've found of a ride taken on one of the new Enviro 400 MMCs in Oxford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3q90AbXH1I
Seems to make a few horrible sounds around the 2 minute mark.
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 31, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
Video I've found of a ride taken on one of the new Enviro 400 MMCs in Oxford.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3q90AbXH1I
Seems to make a few horrible sounds around the 2 minute mark.
Maybe the road is in a poor state. But in a world of silly management of roads we need to cut slack on the bus builders and not moan they dont lay the roads. Just saying...
If they're like that when new what'll they be like after a few years on Black Country roads?
Quote from: Stevo on November 02, 2014, 08:36:57 PM
If they're like that when new what'll they be like after a few years on Black Country roads?
From memory when in the smoother roads and stationary it didn't rattle one bit. Our greatest problem in this country we always go for a cheap fix and we end up with a poor result thus meaning things wear quicker and rattle.
I say spend less on redressing roads and spend it on resufacing; ironing out problems and if utilites then have to dig up the roads they redo the whole road and not patched. But this will never happen.
I wonder how long it will be until one is towed in...
Sampled one of Reading's Enviro MMC today.
Smooth ride, plenty of leg room upstairs at the front.
The large screen in upstairs windscreen is next stop info not CCTV.
As evident in the attached image the windows upstairs are slightly deeper. Seats in new Enviro's aren't as deep as on Reading's older ones but at least the one at the front above the driver isn't just a piece of hardboard covered in moquette.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/S654Ji
Impressed by subtle difference in the livery branding without loosing the impact.
That's the sort of livery we need for NXWM. Substitute red for the claret at the front and white for the red and you'd have a simple improvement to the current livery. Then use dark grey instead of white and you'd have a platinum livery.
Not sure if it's been shown yet, but heres a Reading Buses E400MMC in their generic grey livery. Looks astounding!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/londonstreetscenes/15457316108/in/pool-2640054@N24
Best Impression!
Could see that in NX red, with silver, in that style - really like that livery.
Really impressed with the livery and the new E400MMC. Looks very very good. Looking forward to NX's examples.
You know 4776 has now got NXWM seating,
Does anyone know if that's going to happen to the rest (4763 - 4775)?
I mean have NXWM seating instead of leather seating
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:31:52 PM
You know 4776 has now got NXWM seating,
Does anyone know if that's going to happen to the rest (4763 - 4775)?
I mean have NXWM seating instead of leather seating
I would presume so when they get refurbished. The same with 1847 (that also has the grey NX seating) and I guess 1844 will also when it comes back from refurb
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
They wouldn't ge withdrawn they would proble stay at WA or be transferred to another Garage
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
When the Platinum E400MMC's arrive, the early Y reg Tridents are going, so i would say 4763-4776 should stay at WA
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 04, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
When the Platinum E400MMC's arrive, the early Y reg Tridents are going, so i would say 4763-4776 should stay at WA
at the moment I don't think theres a actual date for delivery of new Platinum buses should be during 2015 though
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 04, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
When the Platinum E400MMC's arrive, the early Y reg Tridents are going, so i would say 4763-4776 should stay at WA
No one said the Y Reg tridents were leaving WA....
Quote from: Matt on January 04, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 04, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
When the Platinum E400MMC's arrive, the early Y reg Tridents are going, so i would say 4763-4776 should stay at WA
There are 70 odd euro 2 B7TLs which will surely be replaced before withdrawal of euro 3 Tridents begins.
And the Spectras!
Quote from: Stu on January 04, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 04, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 04, 2015, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 04, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
Does anyone know if anything's going to happen to 4763 - 4776 when WA gets platinum buses?
When the Platinum E400MMC's arrive, the early Y reg Tridents are going, so i would say 4763-4776 should stay at WA
There are 70 odd euro 2 B7TLs which will surely be replaced before withdrawal of euro 3 Tridents begins.
And the Spectras!
Atleast get the Tridents transferred. Don't want those to go :(
I have been told the MMC's are due the end of next month and deliveries will take place until September. They should be delivered to Walsall or Miller Street before being allocated to their depots.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 09, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
I have been told the MMC's are due the end of next month and deliveries will take place until September. They should be delivered to Walsall or Miller Street before being allocated to their depots.
NXWM have issued a press release which has been discussed in other topics clearly stating deliveries start in
March, not next month and who says the first deliveries are to be 400MMCs. In fact the press release clearly states the Palitinum MMCs will be the last delivered in September
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2015, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 09, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
I have been told the MMC's are due the end of next month and deliveries will take place until September. They should be delivered to Walsall or Miller Street before being allocated to their depots.
NXWM have issued a press release which has been discussed in other topics clearly stating deliveries start in March, not next month and who says the first deliveries are to be 400MMCs. In fact the press release clearly states the Palitinum MMCs will be the last delivered in September
Tony, the NX press release contradicts itself, first it says 'due to hit the streets next month i.e. Feb, then in the next sentence it says March
National Express West Midlands and Centro have today announced the timetable for the region's record £34million investment into new buses, with the first of the new buses due to hit the streets next month. On average a new bus will be hitting the region's streets every day between March and August.
The Express & Star have picked up on the "next month" announcement.
In terms of the oldest buses in the fleet, there are 15 x B6 (WN), 14 x B10L (WA), 53 x Mercs (CV, PE, WB), 18 x Spectras (WN) and 80 x Presidents (AG, WB, YW). That's a total of 180 buses older than the oldest Trident.
Quote from: Roy on January 09, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
The Express & Star have picked up on the "next month" announcement.
In terms of the oldest buses in the fleet, there are 15 x B6 (WN), 14 x B10L (WA), 53 x Mercs (CV, PE, WB), 18 x Spectras (WN) and 80 x Presidents (AG, WB, YW). That's a total of 180 buses older than the oldest Trident.
Roy, I make it 14 x B6LE left at WN
Hi Winston
You're probably right. I had to do an edit on my original post because I still had 1669 at WN. I must run an audit of my file against Tony's to make sure that mine is 100% correct.
In terms of the press release, I am wondering whether the first deliveries may be taking place in February with the buses having 15 plates, meaning that they couldn't be placed into service until March.
Quote from: Roy on January 09, 2015, 11:32:09 AM
Hi Winston
You're probably right. I had to do an edit on my original post because I still had 1669 at WN. I must run an audit of my file against Tony's to make sure that mine is 100% correct.
In terms of the press release, I am wondering whether the first deliveries may be taking place in February with the buses having 15 plates, meaning that they couldn't be placed into service until March.
Roy, I agree with all your other quantities, other than the B6LE total. Although, there are 179 buses that could potentially be withdrawn from NXWM as a result of the new intake, don't forget there are 6 x B10L & 22 x B10BLE's that need to be removed from service before the end on 2015 due to DDA. As Dundee doesn't appear to be getting anything new, cascades from NXWM seem the most likely.
I'd have thought the reserve fleet might be having a clearout imminently to clear some room for the next lot
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 11:42:46 AM
Quote from: Roy on January 09, 2015, 11:32:09 AM
Hi Winston
You're probably right. I had to do an edit on my original post because I still had 1669 at WN. I must run an audit of my file against Tony's to make sure that mine is 100% correct.
In terms of the press release, I am wondering whether the first deliveries may be taking place in February with the buses having 15 plates, meaning that they couldn't be placed into service until March.
Roy, I agree with all your other quantities, other than the B6LE total. Although, there are 179 buses that could potentially be withdrawn from NXWM as a result of the new intake, don't forget there are 6 x B10L & 22 x B10BLE's that need to be removed from service before the end on 2015 due to DDA. As Dundee doesn't appear to be getting anything new, cascades from NXWM seem the most likely.
I'd have thought the reserve fleet might be having a clearout imminently to clear some room for the next lot
Winston/Roy - all I would add to this is there have been reports on the forum (but not in much detail) of a further couple or more Spectras which haven't moved for a while and also similar for a handful of bendis at Coventry. Also I have 13 B10Ls at Walsall following December's changes reported.
Regarding withdrawals as has been said before, they rarely occur in an oldest out first pattern when there is a large pool of vehicles due for withdrawal - more likely to be based on condition etc. some of the early Tridents are amongst the earlier repaints to NX livery - would these get repainted now? Who knows but withdrawals may go beyond the oldest vehicles. This has always happened in the past with Midland Red, BCT, WMPTE, TWM etc so I wouldn't be surprised to see buses beyond 4125 withdrawn.
Regarding Dundee, there is also a vehicle age issue with the Presidents and the school bus contract which requires even more either new or cascaded vehicles to go there.
Quote from: don on January 09, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
Winston/Roy - all I would add to this is there have been reports on the forum (but not in much detail) of a further couple or more Spectras which haven't moved for a while and also similar for a handful of bendis at Coventry. Also I have 13 B10Ls at Walsall following December's changes reported.
Regarding withdrawals as has been said before, they rarely occur in an oldest out first pattern when there is a large pool of vehicles due for withdrawal - more likely to be based on condition etc. some of the early Tridents are amongst the earlier repaints to NX livery - would these get repainted now? Who knows but withdrawals may go beyond the oldest vehicles. This has always happened in the past with Midland Red, BCT, WMPTE, TWM etc so I wouldn't be surprised to see buses beyond 4125 withdrawn.
Regarding Dundee, there is also a vehicle age issue with the Presidents and the school bus contract which requires even more either new or cascaded vehicles to go there.
Don, no it's still 14 excluding 1433 which was withdrawn during Dec. Just checked mine against / Tony's NXWM fleetlist.
The Presidents could just go on to commercial routes with 54 plate Gemini's going on to Fife schools to overcome that issue short term
In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014
UK Bus
The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.
So that's another 79 vehicles this year?
Quote from: Wolves256 on January 09, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014
UK Bus
The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.
So that's another 79 vehicles this year?
Potentially, but quoted under 'UK Bus', therefore it's still possible Dundee could get something new later in 2015 once NX have meet their commitments with Centro at NXWM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
I do personally think that the Scania bendibuses could well end up being withdrawn before expected. NXWM might want to get as much mileage out of them as they can, but if they spend less time on the road than they do off it, they can't be that cost effective to run.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc
Or, if they do get a suitable contract elsewhere, export them. Malta anybody?
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc
Moving them onto airside work would make a great deal of sense, along with the Merc artics as well. Both are non standard in the NXWM fleet, the Mercs will be especially so as Omnilinks must be fairly similar in terms of drivetrain and spares body parts etc I'd have thought? It doesn't seem the artics at either PB or CV are particularly versatile vehicles and seem to mostly appear on just 1 route at each garage they're suited to. Plus they seem to see more limited use on Sundays.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc
Or, if they do get a suitable contract elsewhere, export them. Malta anybody?
I don't think Maltese politicians will want any more artics on the island somehow!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 09, 2015, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on January 09, 2015, 08:50:32 PM
Another factor may well be standardisation. It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s). This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.
With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)
The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc
Moving them onto airside work would make a great deal of sense, along with the Merc artics as well. Both are non standard in the NXWM fleet, the Mercs will be especially so as Omnilinks must be fairly similar in terms of drivetrain and spares body parts etc I'd have thought? It doesn't seem the artics at either PB or CV are particularly versatile vehicles and seem to mostly appear on just 1 route at each garage they're suited to. Plus they seem to see more limited use on Sundays.
Plus airport transfer work is low mileage which helps with their poor fuel consumption
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2015, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on January 09, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014
UK Bus
The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.
So that's another 79 vehicles this year?
Potentially, but quoted under 'UK Bus', therefore it's still possible Dundee could get something new later in 2015 once NX have meet their commitments with Centro at NXWM
Hercules Poirot suggests:-
12 months = October 2014 to September 2015
4961-4995 = 35
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 250
And
4911-4995 = 85
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 300 (meeting Centro pledge)
Quote from: don on January 09, 2015, 11:32:00 PM
Hercules Poirot suggests:-
12 months = October 2014 to September 2015
4961-4995 = 35
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 250
And
4911-4995 = 85
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 300 (meeting Centro pledge)
Hercules Poirot needs to retire.... :P
4914-4995 = 82 (only the 26 x PB E400's were included in the Centro Agreement i.e. 63 plate onwards)
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 297 (3 short of meeting Centro 300 pledge being petty)
Does anyone know what garages are getting the new buses arriving in March and April?
Also I think that if and when the 900 gets platinum BC should give PB some of the Enviro 400's used for the 900(the 13 plates) for the 7.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 10, 2015, 09:41:14 AM
Does anyone know what garages are getting the new buses arriving in March and April?
Also I think that if and when the 900 gets platinum BC should give PB some of the Enviro 400's used for the 900(the 13 plates) for the 7.
I would think that other routes are more needed than the 7.
I'm fairly sure BC will want to hold onto the 13 reg Enviro 400s - could be used on the 97 for a start, although are there enough.
Pershore road may have some
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 10, 2015, 10:47:10 AM
I'm fairly sure BC will want to hold onto the 13 reg Enviro 400s - could be used on the 97 for a start, although are there enough.
The decisions aren't made at garage level but I would suspect new buses into BC will mean that some of the still large population of older Tridents will be displaced elsewhere. BC operates some of the busiest corridors in the region but with an ageing fleet of vehicles as the E400s don't often stray from Harborne and the Coventry Road routes.
Possibly the 9 to get some
The 9 might get some brand new buses
Been told via NXWM Head office after complaint that 94 is getting upgraded, weather that means cascaded or new buses was not clear.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 10, 2015, 05:47:50 PM
Been told via NXWM Head office after complaint that 94 is getting upgraded, weather that means cascaded or new buses was not clear.
Will probably be cascades. Are Geminis the usual allocation now then? And if so, what's so wrong with them that people are complaining?
I wouldn't mind having a few more Geminis at Acocks Green, if only to get shot of a few more Presidents! (which are really starting to show their age)
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
So does the 74, but it got brand new Enviros, Presidents will be high on the list for withdrawl and will need replacing!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
The Presidents are only used on the 11 because it doesn't go into the city centre. 'Rough areas' can't be used as an excuse for not upgrading routes, look at the 74/75 which many people comment on being routes through 'rough areas'. How are the new buses doing on those routes so far? I think I saw one post here about seat handles being sawn through, so its not like they've all been trashed yet.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
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Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
The Presidents are only used on the 11 because it doesn't go into the city centre. 'Rough areas' can't be used as an excuse for not upgrading routes, look at the 74/75 which many people comment on being routes through 'rough areas'. How are the new buses doing on those routes so far? I think I saw one post here about seat handles being sawn through, so its not like they've all been trashed yet.
What about the 16!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.
Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.
Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.
Yes I suppose, I think they need newer but not brand new buses, would like to see more leather seated e400 on 9 maybe?
or maybe they may resurrect the plan to put send them to YW thereby releasing some of the earlier Enviros to be cascaded.
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
WN no longer operate Mercs in service.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!
Unfortunately, will the entire of the fleet in the next few years be all e400s?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 08:16:07 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!
Unfortunately, will the entire of the fleet in the next few years be all e400s?
Yes because all NE have ordered is ADL products, though many of them will be the new Enviro 400MMC!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.
Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.
That's presuming that 29 Enviros elsewhere frees up 29 Geminis to cascade to Acocks Green. To completely upgrade the 11 with new buses would require approx 42 new vehicles.
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)
Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?
Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.
Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.
That's presuming that 29 Enviros elsewhere frees up 29 Geminis to cascade to Acocks Green. To completely upgrade the 11 with new buses would require approx 42 new vehicles.
Why couldn't AG have Enviro 400s?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! The E200's saw them off to PN
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! The E200's saw them off to PN
Think Tom meant B6s!
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN
I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.
I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's
Quote from: Nathan on January 10, 2015, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN
I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.
I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's
I thought the 126 was due e400 mmc
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 08:36:33 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 10, 2015, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 10, 2015, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN
I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.
I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's
I thought the 126 was due e400 mmc
Nothing confirmed yet as to what routes are to get the new buses, even if it was confirmed NE are very likely to change there mind, they are good at that!
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 10, 2015, 05:47:50 PM
Been told via NXWM Head office after complaint that 94 is getting upgraded, weather that means cascaded or new buses was not clear.
Will probably be cascades. Are Geminis the usual allocation now then? And if so, what's so wrong with them that people are complaining?
I wouldn't mind having a few more Geminis at Acocks Green, if only to get shot of a few more Presidents! (which are really starting to show their age)
This was before they started getting Geminis, with the competition from Claribels and volumes definately deserves brand new branded bus, last time i recall was 2002.
I'd happily have Geminis - good buses for their age. I'd rather have them than some ADL stuff - build quality on the 14 regs are shocking.
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
and send 4680 - 86 to Dundee, I'd add
Quote from: Sayeed on January 10, 2015, 09:38:02 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 10, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.
Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
and send 4680 - 86 to Dundee, I'd add
I hope Coventry do NOT lose their geminis! They're by far the best buses at Coventry at the moment!
It'd make more sense to send 4680 - 4686 to Coventry, to keep the fleet numbers together with 4687-4696, as Coventry already operates the type anyway, so I don't see why they couldn't receive more geminis.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 10, 2015, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Or they could just be cascaded on to the 120 or 276 to release B7RLE to replace Mercs?
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: don on January 09, 2015, 11:32:00 PM
Hercules Poirot suggests:-
12 months = October 2014 to September 2015
4961-4995 = 35
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 250
And
4911-4995 = 85
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 300 (meeting Centro pledge)
Hercules Poirot needs to retire.... :P
4914-4995 = 82 (only the 26 x PB E400's were included in the Centro Agreement i.e. 63 plate onwards)
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 297 (3 short of meeting Centro 300 pledge being petty)
Hercules Poirot is outraged at such a suggestion :D however not so much as to not make a couple more suggestions:-
Perhaps when Walsall receives its platinum E400 (major model change) buses (surely ADL will come up with a better name for the production run) - they may like to send some 56 reg B7RLEs to Dundee to replace their aging single deckers.
He also predicts Wolverhampton might receive a batch of E400s for the 126 and replace those fabulous Spectras. Wolverhampton has endured around 35 (or more) of the oldest vehicles in the fleet for so many years now it will seem strange when the Spectras and B6s are gone.
@don - What's with all the 'Hercules Poirot' crap?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 02:21:55 AM
@don - What's with all the 'Hercules Poirot' crap?
Is that a technical term, boss!! It was simply that these predictions of what buses will go where and how many, and some of the other mysteries like is it 171 or 250 buses, and how many Spectras are really out of service are rather like a Hercules Poirot mystery.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2015, 08:20:40 PM
That's presuming that 29 Enviros elsewhere frees up 29 Geminis to cascade to Acocks Green. To completely upgrade the 11 with new buses would require approx 42 new vehicles.
Why couldn't AG have Enviro 400s?
At some point, it is inevitable that AG will end up with Enviro400s, probably more likely new ones though if they do.
Quote from: don on January 11, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Hercules Poirot is outraged at such a suggestion :D however not so much as to not make a couple more suggestions:-
Perhaps when Walsall receives its platinum E400 (major model change) buses (surely ADL will come up with a better name for the production run) - they may like to send some 56 reg B7RLEs to Dundee to replace their aging single deckers.
He also predicts Wolverhampton might receive a batch of E400s for the 126 and replace those fabulous Spectras. Wolverhampton has endured around 35 (or more) of the oldest vehicles in the fleet for so many years now it will seem strange when the Spectras and B6s are gone.
I suspect some B7RLE of some description may get cascaded to Dundee to see off B10L / B10BLE's this year, it could be a mixture of 56 plate from WA & possibly 12 plate from AG. As AG's remaining batch is already down to 15 (from 23 delivered new). I wonder if the 37 might get new double deckers as part of the Warwick Rd Gold Corridor improvements
Can our resident sleuths hazard a guess as to fleet numbers?..........I predict 3001 upwards.
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: don on January 11, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Hercules Poirot is outraged at such a suggestion :D however not so much as to not make a couple more suggestions:-
Perhaps when Walsall receives its platinum E400 (major model change) buses (surely ADL will come up with a better name for the production run) - they may like to send some 56 reg B7RLEs to Dundee to replace their aging single deckers.
He also predicts Wolverhampton might receive a batch of E400s for the 126 and replace those fabulous Spectras. Wolverhampton has endured around 35 (or more) of the oldest vehicles in the fleet for so many years now it will seem strange when the Spectras and B6s are gone.
I suspect some B7RLE of some description may get cascaded to Dundee to see off B10L / B10BLE's this year, it could be a mixture of 56 plate from WA & possibly 12 plate from AG. As AG's remaining batch is already down to 15 (from 23 delivered new). I wonder if the 37 might get new double deckers as part of the Warwick Rd Gold Corridor improvements
I did suspect that myself also. I can't help but feel that with the seeming increase of Geminis on the 37 service, as well as helping out peak-time loads, I wonder whether the use of double-decks is being scoped out, with regards to concerns about increased anti-social activity.
20-odd new double-decks for the 37 could see AG's remaining B7RLEs being transferred elsewhere to replace other older single-decks (Coventry's Mercs spring to mind!) along with a handful of Omnilinks to WA (to replace B10Ls?). The remaining Omnilinks would then be used on the 71 and 72 services, however this would then break NX's agreement with Centro to use new buses on that corridor.
The Smart Route works are underway in Acocks Green and are due for completion sometime in May, which would fit in with the timescale of new bus deliveries, bulk of which are due in July.
I personally don't think the 37 will see new buses this year though, though I'd be happy to be proved wrong! Under the Birmingham Connected proposals, the 37 route is proposed as one of the 'City Link' bus routes (number 13), so could potentially become a Platinum service in future.
Quote from: Stu on January 11, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
I did suspect that myself also. I can't help but feel that with the seeming increase of Geminis on the 37 service, as well as helping out peak-time loads, I wonder whether the use of double-decks is being scoped out, with regards to concerns about increased anti-social activity.
20-odd new double-decks for the 37 could see AG's remaining B7RLEs being transferred elsewhere to replace other older single-decks (Coventry's Mercs spring to mind!) along with a handful of Omnilinks to WA (to replace B10Ls?). The remaining Omnilinks would then be used on the 71 and 72 services, however this would then break NX's agreement with Centro to use new buses on that corridor.
The Smart Route works are underway in Acocks Green and are due for completion sometime in May, which would fit in with the timescale of new bus deliveries, bulk of which are due in July.
I personally don't think the 37 will see new buses this year though, though I'd be happy to be proved wrong! Under the Birmingham Connected proposals, the 37 route is proposed as one of the 'City Link' bus routes (number 13), so could potentially become a Platinum service in future.
Stu, have you got a link to the 'Cink Link' bus routes proposals please?
Is there currently enough B7RLE left at AG to cover all 71/72 requirements?
With 10 Gold Corridors planned, I doubt they will all be implemented within the deliveries of the the 2015 (171 bus order), so you could find the implementation of some could run in to 2016.
@Winston I think the pvr for the 71 & 72 is around 20 the current allocation is a mixture of Omnilinks/B7RLE's it can be half/mostly Omnilinks hope this helps :)
Birmingham Connected website:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SystemAdmin%2FCFPageLayout&cid=1223486345242&packedargs=website%3D4&pagename=BCC%2FCommon%2FWrapper%2FCFWrapper&rendermode=live
See document Technical Package 2, the City Link info is on pages 29 and 30, and a map is shown on page 42
At least three doors for boarding! ADL had better build us a Borismaster (a Boremaster, I suppose.)
Impressed you can read that map
Quote from: Stu on January 11, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
Birmingham Connected website:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&childpagename=SystemAdmin%2FCFPageLayout&cid=1223486345242&packedargs=website%3D4&pagename=BCC%2FCommon%2FWrapper%2FCFWrapper&rendermode=live
See document Technical Package 2, the City Link info is on pages 29 and 30, and a map is shown on page 42
Thanks for that Stu, interesting reading... pity the maps go blurred when you try & enlarge them.
Interesting the potential extension of Sprint to Halesowen, with a bus variant of the 9 running from Stourbridge to Halesowen section then Limited stop to B'ham
Also interesting, is the proposed next Sprint routes running along the A45 (to NEC & Airport) & A34 to Walsall covering the X51, 900 & 957 bus routes, which are being upgraded first to 'Platinum' before potential future upgrade to Sprint
Also the Adderley Metro Park & Ride which appears to be on the site of BC garages bus park
All buses on 'core' services will also have to be min Euro 4 by May 2017 (SQPS), as NX have a high concentration of Euro 3 deckers it looks as though the current investment levels are set to continue. NX don't have that many Euro 4 deckers, as that was during the period when the new deliveries were focused on Travel London expansion & towards the end of Euro 4 ECML/high debts
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
I think it was rumoured years ago that BC garage would be gobbled up by the East Side redevelopment work, but it never happened. The proposed Park & Ride site only appears to include the Adderley St bus park, not the main garage. Even that appears to be a few years away yet.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
They won't close BC. At all. Ever.
Quote from: arrifirststage on January 11, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Can our resident sleuths hazard a guess as to fleet numbers?..........I predict 3001 upwards.
I can't see any reason why they couldn't start at 4996, but I tend to agree with you that a new sequence will be started - 3001 seems a good bet, but could also be 5001 (although they would need to renumber or bypass the hybrids before too long).
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
They won't close BC. At all. Ever.
Crikey - let's hope not. These old BCT garages are becoming rare - at least one should be a candidate for listed status as part of transport heritage - perhaps Liverpool Street (the garage I mean!!)
Quote from: don on January 12, 2015, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: arrifirststage on January 11, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Can our resident sleuths hazard a guess as to fleet numbers?..........I predict 3001 upwards.
I can't see any reason why they couldn't start at 4996, but I tend to agree with you that a new sequence will be started - 3001 seems a good bet, but could also be 5001 (although they would need to renumber or bypass the hybrids before too long).
Surely they'll just carry on up to the hybrids, another few hundred fleetnumbers there to play with
Quote from: don on January 12, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
Crikey - let's hope not. These old BCT garages are becoming rare - at least one should be a candidate for listed status as part of transport heritage - perhaps Liverpool Street (the garage I mean!!)
Liverpool Street himself is already listed anyway, he just prefers not to talk about it ;-)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
They won't close BC. At all. Ever.
If the Sprint buses are based from a new site then I can't believe that all existing garages are going to survive. Isn't one of the proposed Sprint routes going to the Bristol Road?
Quote from: don on January 12, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
They won't close BC. At all. Ever.
Crikey - let's hope not. These old BCT garages are becoming rare - at least one should be a candidate for listed status as part of transport heritage - perhaps Liverpool Street (the garage I mean!!)
Hmm..! I'll let that one slide ;-)
Quote from: Kevin on January 12, 2015, 06:22:13 AM
Quote from: don on January 12, 2015, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: arrifirststage on January 11, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
Can our resident sleuths hazard a guess as to fleet numbers?..........I predict 3001 upwards.
I can't see any reason why they couldn't start at 4996, but I tend to agree with you that a new sequence will be started - 3001 seems a good bet, but could also be 5001 (although they would need to renumber or bypass the hybrids before too long).
Surely they'll just carry on up to the hybrids, another few hundred fleetnumbers there to play with
Quote from: don on January 12, 2015, 12:13:01 AM
Crikey - let's hope not. These old BCT garages are becoming rare - at least one should be a candidate for listed status as part of transport heritage - perhaps Liverpool Street (the garage I mean!!)
Liverpool Street himself is already listed anyway, he just prefers not to talk about it ;-)
Okay now that's just taking the mick ;-) haha
Quote from: JoNi on January 12, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 11, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
I thought it had been rumoured for ages BC was going with the extension of the Metro and HS2 coming etc.
They won't close BC. At all. Ever.
If the Sprint buses are based from a new site then I can't believe that all existing garages are going to survive. Isn't one of the proposed Sprint routes going to the Bristol Road?
This still won't mean they'll close BC for it. Slight rebuild of the already refreshed Adderly Bus Park, but the whole unit will remain.
Remember the rumours that AG would be knocked down and a Sainburys be built in its way? Remember YW to be closed because residents didn't like the engine noise?
Where will 220 buses, 600 drivers and 100+ ancillary and office staff be absorbed to?
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I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246
If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!
Why?
Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?
Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.
The Presidents are only used on the 11 because it doesn't go into the city centre. 'Rough areas' can't be used as an excuse for not upgrading routes, look at the 74/75 which many people comment on being routes through 'rough areas'. How are the new buses doing on those routes so far? I think I saw one post here about seat handles being sawn through, so its not like they've all been trashed yet.
What about the 16!!
And the 101? And the 7? Or the 65?
They're all services which are normally B7TL allocation - which does occasionally see the light of an E400/Scania. They shouldn't be upgraded, yet. And as a regular PB bus passenger, I can say (from passenger's POV) - they still seem 'durable' for a few more years to go...
Which routes are getting the new MMC's?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.msg127747#msg127747
Anyone know anything besides 22 going to PE
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 27, 2015, 07:47:35 AM
Anyone know anything besides 22 going to PE
No, if they did it would have been already posted
If the 50 gets new MMC's what will happen to the 57 plate enviro's that currently run on the 50?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 27, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
If the 50 gets new MMC's what will happen to the 57 plate enviro's that currently run on the 50?
I wouldn't worry about that yet, as it hasn't even been confirmed whether the 50 is actually being upgraded
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 27, 2015, 03:50:45 PM
If the 50 gets new MMC's what will happen to the 57 plate enviro's that currently run on the 50?
You could say that about the buses on any route, why pick on the 50? because I highly doubt new E400MMCs will end up on routes currently run by Mercs, B10Ls, B6s or any other buses due for withdrawal
will the 94 get new buses
Quote from: Solo1 on January 27, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
will the 94 get new buses
No, cast offs. Probably presidents :)
Quote from: Solo1 on January 27, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
will the 94 get new buses
No comment could have "yeah right" but I didn't lol.
In Stourbridge for the driver to get use to the new buses https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16257303527/
Any more news on NX's MMC's?
What will the fleet numbers be?
Quote from: Stevo on February 05, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
What will the fleet numbers be?
I'll know that the end of next week
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Quote from: Stevo on February 05, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
What will the fleet numbers be?
I'll know that the end of next week
Suppose it should be 4996 onwards, but NX might opt for a different (lower or higher) number range for a new batch of buses.
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2015, 10:15:12 AM
Quote from: Stevo on February 05, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
What will the fleet numbers be?
I'll know that the end of next week
Is that because the first deliveries are due then ........ Valentines Day :o
Drove one of these the other day for the first time in a while. A few annoying points, I'm not sure if
@2900 or
@Liverpool Street or
@John would agree?
The indicators - When you put the indicators on it seems there's a second delay from when you pull down or up the indicator stalk to when the indicators actually flash, the bleeping noise isnt instant like the Tridents or Volvos. There are times when you need that indicator on fast and it feels infuriating.
The door open button - 9 times out of 10 this works fine, but in some cases you press to open the doors and nothing happens, then you press it again and again and again and eventually they open with passengers looking at you as if to say what are you doing. Annoying.
Pulling away - Very sluggish, a 14 year old 41 hundred is quicker.
Almost on the verge of being dangerous at 5 ways island or the watering hole at Bordesley. Why is this? In todays traffic we need something that can pull away quick. Again, very annoying.
Those 2 front seats - Never had these on the older buses, but when passengers sit there you feel they are watching you, you dont feel relaxed, you might need to pick your nose or scratch your genatalia (ok that was too much info!) but you get where I'm coming from).
Overall - They are pleasant enough to drive, but I'm not a big fan of them.
All valid points,
@Bham Central Driver . Those dashboard buttons are shocking. The MMC has addressed this, apparently.
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Amazing regarding the gearbox. What the drivers class as a fault, was in fact self inflicted by the company. I'm sure they'll be an accident due to the slow pull off. I remember 805 when new got rear ended because a car driver 'thought the bus would of pulled away quicker' haha
They really are slow at times to get moving - I've been on some of the Southampton Enviro 400s they use on their University services and they have no such problem - fairly quick off the mark and keep good speed. The older Enviro 400s at YW are a bit quicker, although still at times are slow. Best ones are the Scanias or the old Tridents - no problems getting off to a quick start at roundabouts.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
Probably their E400s have different chassis, Scania N230UD?
Quote from: Sayeed on February 10, 2015, 10:09:32 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
Probably their E400s have different chassis, Scania N230UD?
Oh, dear. Goes to show how limited my knowledge in buses outside the West Midlands is! :-[ I didn't know E400s had different chassis, always have assumed the only chassis were Alexander Dennis Trident2 and Alexander Dennis E40D (depending how old the bus is). I had a quick search on Google and found them. You are right, they have different chassis, Scania N230UD! 625, YN14 MUP (http://www.nctfleetlist.co.uk/photos/showphoto.php/photo/901/title/625-yn14-mup/cat/501) and 615, YN14 MTU (http://www.nctfleetlist.co.uk/photos/showphoto.php/photo/891/title/615-yn14-mtu/cat/501).
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
Sorry I meant the flash from the outside seems very rapid compared to its E200 counterparts. I'm surprised they haven't used the LED excuse for the slow flashing, even though that wouldn't wash as a diode which emits light does so faster then a filament within a glass tomb.
Either way I still maintain that near all new buses have annoying flaws, and in comparison to its equivalent a generation ago, the 20 year old buses are better!
Oh, and another thing whilst were slating E200's... Their bandit alarm is the horn. Which I'm shocked and disgusted at if I'm honest as it just makes the driver look like an idiot for 'pressing the horn' and makes no one aware of the drivers true peril. NXWM should address this.
Another point that I forgot is the bandit alarm is in a stupid position - twice I accidently knocked it causing it to go off. And felt embaressed as car drivers are looking up at me thinking wtf!
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
I thought Excels and Mercs have a very very weak 'dink dink dink' for an indicator sound? And the E200's don't have sound.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
I thought Excels and Mercs have a very very weak 'dink dink dink' for an indicator sound? And the E200's don't have sound.
Yeah it's just the normal indicator relay sound. 831 onwards have the same sound as the E400's.
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
I thought Excels and Mercs have a very very weak 'dink dink dink' for an indicator sound? And the E200's don't have sound.
Yeah it's just the normal indicator relay sound. 831 onwards have the same sound as the E400's.
I did not know this information. Thank you for the enlightenment. Do you know if 831+ also has a bandit alarm of correct specification?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
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Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
I thought Excels and Mercs have a very very weak 'dink dink dink' for an indicator sound? And the E200's don't have sound.
Yeah it's just the normal indicator relay sound. 831 onwards have the same sound as the E400's.
I did not know this information. Thank you for the enlightenment. Do you know if 831+ also has a bandit alarm of correct specification?
What is a bandit alarm used for?
Quote from: Matt on February 11, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
- attracting attention if the bus is under threat
- letting other vehicles know they're stopped in a stupid position or are driving like an arse
- saying hi to other drivers
Thanks
Fairly poor some of those E200s don't have the Alarms - they can come in handy. Remember the driver activating it on the 6 once when someone decided to get on without paying, and sitting in protest at the back. A flick of the switch and he soon got off as soon as he heard the words "Please call 999". The YW drivers are sometimes quite keen on using the Scanias to say hello to each other on the 6; better than using the horns on them which sound like foghorns!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 08:12:50 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 11, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: NXDom on February 11, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 10, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Yeah, I don't like how slow the E200s and E400s indicates... When I was visiting Nottingham and I notice their E400s indicates at a normal pace, I was surprised about that... This got me thinking - did NXWM specify to have slow pace indicating or it was the default spec?
I personally don't think the B7RLEs' indicates fast, it's at the normal pace. I like their noise 'dink dink dink'. Will miss hearing the soft beep beep from B6s and B10Ls.
If I'm honest I like the B6 'orginal' indicator, the E400/200 is ok but just boring (if you can call an indicator noise boring). I don't like when buses dont have a sound like in mercs and excels because you can't really tell when there on or not and quite strange (or the fact that i'm strange).
I thought Excels and Mercs have a very very weak 'dink dink dink' for an indicator sound? And the E200's don't have sound.
Yeah it's just the normal indicator relay sound. 831 onwards have the same sound as the E400's.
I did not know this information. Thank you for the enlightenment. Do you know if 831+ also has a bandit alarm of correct specification?
99% sure they do. :)
Quote from: Matt on February 11, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
The Tridents are the best, they ring in your ears for days!
Agreed. There were times I used to hear the alarm on the 529 in Walsall and sometimes in Wolverhampton, it was quite amusing to see the WN inspector to be alert and look everywhere to find which Trident set the alarm. :P I have a noise reduction setting on my processor but that alarm still rings so loud. ;)
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 11, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
Fairly poor some of those E200s don't have the Alarms - they can come in handy. Remember the driver activating it on the 6 once when someone decided to get on without paying, and sitting in protest at the back. A flick of the switch and he soon got off as soon as he heard the words "Please call 999". The YW drivers are sometimes quite keen on using the Scanias to say hello to each other on the 6; better than using the horns on them which sound like foghorns!
Heard this used only once on an Omnilink on the 37 late one evening, it's a voice that says "This bus is under attack, please call 999" as part of the alarm.
Yeah it is - there's a video of it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tby7SoJGbEk
I must say the bandit convos is the one thing I miss while waiting for a bus home at Redditch Bus Station. First RH drivers would near enough always us them to greet or make each other jump. The Lances where also fitted with them, tho I never heard the whole alarm it was mainly the loud wheeps (not beeps as it was more of a wheep) they even had a code.........
Quote from: Stu on February 11, 2015, 09:08:53 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 11, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
Fairly poor some of those E200s don't have the Alarms - they can come in handy. Remember the driver activating it on the 6 once when someone decided to get on without paying, and sitting in protest at the back. A flick of the switch and he soon got off as soon as he heard the words "Please call 999". The YW drivers are sometimes quite keen on using the Scanias to say hello to each other on the 6; better than using the horns on them which sound like foghorns!
Heard this used only once on an Omnilink on the 37 late one evening, it's a voice that says "This bus is under attack, please call 999" as part of the alarm.
The E400 MMC demo at Pensnett has the same alarm.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on February 10, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Pulling away - Very sluggish, a 14 year old 41 hundred is quicker.
Almost on the verge of being dangerous at 5 ways island or the watering hole at Bordesley. Why is this? In todays traffic we need something that can pull away quick. Again, very annoying.
I've had a few rides on Arriva's Sapphire Enviro 400s on the 110 between Birmingham and Erdington. They certainly don't have the 'pulling away' problem.
They seem to be livelier than NXWM's 400s on the 902 group, although they are pushed harder and don't normally carry the quantity of passengers that NXWM's do.
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
Have some patience! And maybe read through other topics and comments. Tony already commented that he may have them by the end of the week. When he knows and is allowed to tell us, he will.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
6101 onwards on tony's fleet list.
Quote from: pb2012 on February 13, 2015, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
6101 onwards on tony's fleet list.
I wondered when someone would notice!
Why 61**?
I wonder if 4782-4798 will ever be given some buses as a fleetnumber.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 13, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
I wonder if 4782-4798 will ever be given some buses as a fleetnumber.
Is there any reason those were omitted?
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on February 13, 2015, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
6101 onwards on tony's fleet list.
I wondered when someone would notice!
Of course, when they get to PN/PE - it'll give me a reason to catch Hagley Road services to school more often... And given the first of Platinum arrives mid-2015, will give me another great excuse for a day out in Coventry, Solihull, or Walsall...
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on February 13, 2015, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
6101 onwards on tony's fleet list.
I wondered when someone would notice!
Of course, when they get to PN/PE - it'll give me a reason to catch Hagley Road services to school more often... And given the first of Platinum arrives mid-2015, will give me another great excuse for a day out in Coventry, Solihull, or Walsall...
Need to revise more often try early 2015.
Quote from: 979 on February 13, 2015, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on February 13, 2015, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 12, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 12, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
When will you know the fleet numbers for the MMC's?
I hear you ask too many questions. Please, just be patient. ;)
6101 onwards on tony's fleet list.
I wondered when someone would notice!
Of course, when they get to PN/PE - it'll give me a reason to catch Hagley Road services to school more often... And given the first of Platinum arrives mid-2015, will give me another great excuse for a day out in Coventry, Solihull, or Walsall...
Need to revise more often try early 2015.
My bad... :-\ I'm sure I've heard somewhere the last of the deliveries this year were around Summertime, for the Platinum services. Or am I making up my own stories again?
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
My bad... :-\ I'm sure I've heard somewhere the last of the deliveries this year were around Summertime, for the Platinum services. Or am I making up my own stories again?
In the NX press release it was stated that all 171 new buses would be delivered/on the road by September
Quote from: Winston on February 13, 2015, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
My bad... :-\ I'm sure I've heard somewhere the last of the deliveries this year were around Summertime, for the Platinum services. Or am I making up my own stories again?
In the NX press release it was stated that all 171 new buses would be delivered/on the road by September
Alright. Thanks for the clarity, Winston. :) I appreciate it.
I don't see why the 9 gets to go first to be honest. Surely the 50 should be priority.
Within a few years we should be in classic Fleetline fleetnumber territory 😃
Quote from: Gareth on February 14, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
Within a few years we should be in classic Fleetline fleetnumber territory 😃
If it wasn't for the bendies - they could have started at a round 6001. Will No's 4996-5400 ever be used?
Quote from: Gareth on February 14, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
Within a few years we should be in classic Fleetline fleetnumber territory 😃
You must be quite a young member..........we ARE in fleet line territory,most of these numbers were used from 1973 With the transfer of Midland Red fleet lines in Birmingham and the Black Country.
Actually it would be fascinating to know the reason for the 61xx series,perhaps if he knows,Tony could explain,although to be fair,the NXWM numbering has often been somewhat haphazard.
Quote from: arrifirststage on February 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 14, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
Within a few years we should be in classic Fleetline fleetnumber territory 😃
You must be quite a young member..........we ARE in fleet line territory,most of these numbers were used from 1973 With the transfer of Midland Red fleet lines in Birmingham and the Black Country.
Actually it would be fascinating to know the reason for the 61xx series,perhaps if he knows,Tony could explain,although to be fair,the NXWM numbering has often been somewhat haphazard.
6101 etc were Daimler Fleetlines back in the early 1970s. 6101/2/3/5/8/9/10/11/13 were all operated by either Stourbridge, Harts Hill or Dudley garage, so these numbers are not strangers to this area. Maybe it is appropriate that the new buses are allocated numbers in the 61xx range.
Quote from: arrifirststage on February 14, 2015, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Gareth on February 14, 2015, 01:28:08 PM
Within a few years we should be in classic Fleetline fleetnumber territory 😃
You must be quite a young member..........we ARE in fleet line territory,most of these numbers were used from 1973 With the transfer of Midland Red fleet lines in Birmingham and the Black Country.
Actually it would be fascinating to know the reason for the 61xx series,perhaps if he knows,Tony could explain,although to be fair,the NXWM numbering has often been somewhat haphazard.
There has been some rather large jumps in the numbering series; 1954-2000 have been left unused - and the vast 3xxx series was left largely untouched after the last Metrobus numerically speaking (the 32xx Scania's and the vehicles transferred to the West Mids within the NX group, aside). I presume the remaining numbers in the 54xx & 55xx range (and beyond) are for further Hybrids, if any more are ever ordered, but a huge collection of 5xxx numbers may go unused seemingly. The same applies to 6033-6100 for articulated buses, although I don't think NX are going to order any more Bendibuses any time soon!
I assume Gareth meant the standard PTE Fleetlines from 6301 onwards.
'Quite a young member', I like that! 😃 I'm 35. So as a child growing up in the 80s it's the 6301 onwards batch that I know of the most. I have vague memories of the 45** batch that lasted until 1987, but late BCT, early WMPTE and ex Midland Red are a bit too early for me.
WMPTE introduced some logic into its fleet numbering in 1984 or so - minibuses from 501 up and single deckers from 1001 up. Metrobuses were already numbered from 2001 up and WMT started low-floor double deckers from 4001 up, artics from 6001 up. So the B7RLEs 2001-2177 should clearly have been numbered 1001 - 1077. This would have let the E400 MMCs be numbered 2001 up in the older double-deck series and not in the artic series.
Sorry - I meant 2001-2177 should have been 1001-1177.
Quote from: Gareth on February 15, 2015, 04:05:50 AM
'Quite a young member', I like that! 😃 I'm 35. So as a child growing up in the 80s it's the 6301 onwards batch that I know of the most. I have vague memories of the 45** batch that lasted until 1987, but late BCT, early WMPTE and ex Midland Red are a bit too early for me.
No offence meant........believe me 35 to me is very young,I have Grandchildren that age.
Seriously,we all remember our favourite era as being when we were in our teens.......my favourites are Bimingham City Transport early post-war buses,immaculate and reaching a standard we will never see again.
Just wait a while,these new MMC's will be officially vandalised with pointless branding before you know it.
Quote from: Stevo on February 15, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
WMPTE introduced some logic into its fleet numbering in 1984 or so - minibuses from 501 up and single deckers from 1001 up. Metrobuses were already numbered from 2001 up and WMT started low-floor double deckers from 4001 up, artics from 6001 up. So the B7RLEs 2001-2177 should clearly have been numbered 1001 - 1077. This would have let the E400 MMCs be numbered 2001 up in the older double-deck series and not in the artic series.
Yes, I thought that might be the case; returning to the lowest possible 1xxx number (restarting the single-deck numbering series, as it were). NX have had a propensity to start the numbering of new batches of vehicles in separate number ranges - or at a more notable number. 1750 for the first Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclipse Urban's and 2001 for the Urban 2's, missing out 1708-42/44-49 and 1954-2000 respectively. In fact, I would have just renumbered that additional Mercedes O405N 1743 to 1708 (the matching reg and fleet number hardly matters these days) and started the new Volvo's at 1709. While 2001 etc would have commenced 1954 and carried-on into the 2xxx series. '1908' doesn't exist currently - but that number has at-least been used (several times!). These gaps look a bit untidy!
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 15, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: Stevo on February 15, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
WMPTE introduced some logic into its fleet numbering in 1984 or so - minibuses from 501 up and single deckers from 1001 up. Metrobuses were already numbered from 2001 up and WMT started low-floor double deckers from 4001 up, artics from 6001 up. So the B7RLEs 2001-2177 should clearly have been numbered 1001 - 1077. This would have let the E400 MMCs be numbered 2001 up in the older double-deck series and not in the artic series.
Yes, I thought that might be the case; returning to the lowest possible 1xxx number (restarting the single-deck numbering series, as it were). NX have had a propensity to start the numbering of new batches of vehicles in separate number ranges - or at a more notable number. 1750 for the first Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclipse Urban's and 2001 for the Urban 2's, missing out 1708-42/44-49 and 1954-2000 respectively. In fact, I would have just renumbered that additional Mercedes O405N 1743 to 1708 (the matching reg and fleet number hardly matters these days) and started the new Volvo's at 1709. While 2001 etc would have commenced 1954 and carried-on into the 2xxx series. '1908' doesn't exist currently - but that number has at-least been used (several times!). These gaps look a bit untidy!
To the people who have to
use the fleet numbering system, as opposed to those who look at it the current system works. The people that allocate buses to service have a much easier life the way it is.
If you are told where possible allocate Scanias to the 4 route life is much easier if you just have to think 18xx. gaps in fleet numbering don't make the slightest difference to anyone within the company
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 15, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: Stevo on February 15, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
WMPTE introduced some logic into its fleet numbering in 1984 or so - minibuses from 501 up and single deckers from 1001 up. Metrobuses were already numbered from 2001 up and WMT started low-floor double deckers from 4001 up, artics from 6001 up. So the B7RLEs 2001-2177 should clearly have been numbered 1001 - 1077. This would have let the E400 MMCs be numbered 2001 up in the older double-deck series and not in the artic series.
Yes, I thought that might be the case; returning to the lowest possible 1xxx number (restarting the single-deck numbering series, as it were). NX have had a propensity to start the numbering of new batches of vehicles in separate number ranges - or at a more notable number. 1750 for the first Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclipse Urban's and 2001 for the Urban 2's, missing out 1708-42/44-49 and 1954-2000 respectively. In fact, I would have just renumbered that additional Mercedes O405N 1743 to 1708 (the matching reg and fleet number hardly matters these days) and started the new Volvo's at 1709. While 2001 etc would have commenced 1954 and carried-on into the 2xxx series. '1908' doesn't exist currently - but that number has at-least been used (several times!). These gaps look a bit untidy!
To the people who have to use the fleet numbering system, as opposed to those who look at it the current system works. The people that allocate buses to service have a much easier life the way it is.
If you are told where possible allocate Scanias to the 4 route life is much easier if you just have to think 18xx. gaps in fleet numbering don't make the slightest difference to anyone within the company
I know it doesn't matter what fleet number buses receive, at the end of the day. I prefer the 3 & 4-digit number system used by NX and for new double-deckers, there are huge unused numbers available for future deliveries; 6101-6999 presumably (which will take years to be used-up).
Curious myself as to why they didn't start at 5000 for the MMCs. Cause there's 400 fleetnumbers right there before we hit the hybrids, and surely that would easily cover the remainder of the contract with ADL, once that's up new buses from other manufacturers could start with the 61xx series
It's a new generation start at 1!
Any delivery dates for the MMC's?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 15, 2015, 05:03:47 PM
Any delivery dates for the MMC's?
Throughout march and april for the 9
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 15, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: Stevo on February 15, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
WMPTE introduced some logic into its fleet numbering in 1984 or so - minibuses from 501 up and single deckers from 1001 up. Metrobuses were already numbered from 2001 up and WMT started low-floor double deckers from 4001 up, artics from 6001 up. So the B7RLEs 2001-2177 should clearly have been numbered 1001 - 1077. This would have let the E400 MMCs be numbered 2001 up in the older double-deck series and not in the artic series.
Yes, I thought that might be the case; returning to the lowest possible 1xxx number (restarting the single-deck numbering series, as it were). NX have had a propensity to start the numbering of new batches of vehicles in separate number ranges - or at a more notable number. 1750 for the first Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclipse Urban's and 2001 for the Urban 2's, missing out 1708-42/44-49 and 1954-2000 respectively. In fact, I would have just renumbered that additional Mercedes O405N 1743 to 1708 (the matching reg and fleet number hardly matters these days) and started the new Volvo's at 1709. While 2001 etc would have commenced 1954 and carried-on into the 2xxx series. '1908' doesn't exist currently - but that number has at-least been used (several times!). These gaps look a bit untidy!
To the people who have to use the fleet numbering system, as opposed to those who look at it the current system works. The people that allocate buses to service have a much easier life the way it is.
If you are told where possible allocate Scanias to the 4 route life is much easier if you just have to think 18xx. gaps in fleet numbering don't make the slightest difference to anyone within the company
Perhaps then a better fleet numbering system would be one that told you automatically the type of bus, not that relied on your knowledge of the fleet. So perhaps we should have codes like many London operators. We could have SS for Scania single deck, DS for OmniCity deckers, VP for Presidents, and so on. It would be great fun!
I would imagine, on the basis Tony has described, the platinum and two tone E400s will be in different number series to make it easier for allocators. So maybe 5001 onwards will yet be used!!
Back to the 6101 - 6301 history, 6101-6140, 6156-6225 and 6261-6293 were Midland Red Fleetlines - does anyone remember what 6294-6298 were in the Midland Red fleet - a songle decker to rival an E200 in naffness IIRC - and the first of over 100 cheap and cheerful Fords - with Plaxton bodies!!
Will it be Walsall and BC after the 9 then, sorry if this has already been posted?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 15, 2015, 07:00:40 PM
Will it be Walsall and BC after the 9 then, sorry if this has already been posted?
Only vehicles officially announced so far are
6101-22 (E400MMC standard for Pensnett - 9) deliveries staring end of February
861-875 (E200 same as up to 860 in all respects) split between Coventry (2/3); Pensnett (243/4) & Wolverhampton - delivery starting in March
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Amazing regarding the gearbox. What the drivers class as a fault, was in fact self inflicted by the company. I'm sure they'll be an accident due to the slow pull off. I remember 805 when new got rear ended because a car driver 'thought the bus would of pulled away quicker' haha
I have driven one of the modified Enviro400s this afternoon, 4939. All I can say is they're awful. When pulling away, the gear changes up at not even 1500RPM, and kickdown is virtually non-existant. You can feel then engine struggling to build up revs because it is in too high a gear for the road speed when accelerating, and it seems to be affecting the retarder somehow, because I found it difficult to brake smoothly when pulling up at bus stops
Good news is that so many drivers have complained about it, they are slowly been changed back!
Sounds awful
@John - bet you're all glad they're going to change them back. ;) Must be a safety issue really when trying to pull away from Traffic islands etc when the acceleration is so poor.
Quote from: John on February 15, 2015, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 10, 2015, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 17, 1970, 12:26:45 PM
I've had that problem with the door open button. People start to look at you, then you have to move them all back so I could get out of the cab and press the emergency door button to open the doors.
I also agree about the indicators, they start to flash well after the first beeping nose is heard
I went on a 49** on the 907 the other day, and the gearboxes have been programmed to get through the gears really quick to save diesel, make it even slower pulling away as the gear changes are too soon and you can not build up enough speed. I've heard that the 33 Enviro400s are also getting the same modifications
On the plus side, I do think that they are the best buses to drive though
I've noticed on new buses now the dashboard indicator light is unsynchronized with the actual rate if flash from the outside. And the beeps don't link up either. Of course the E200's don't beep at all and the B7rle flash quite annoyingly fast.
Amazing regarding the gearbox. What the drivers class as a fault, was in fact self inflicted by the company. I'm sure they'll be an accident due to the slow pull off. I remember 805 when new got rear ended because a car driver 'thought the bus would of pulled away quicker' haha
I have driven one of the modified Enviro400s this afternoon, 4939. All I can say is they're awful. When pulling away, the gear changes up at not even 1500RPM, and kickdown is virtually non-existant. You can feel then engine struggling to build up revs because it is in too high a gear for the road speed when accelerating, and it seems to be affecting the retarder somehow, because I found it difficult to brake smoothly when pulling up at bus stops
Good news is that so many drivers have complained about it, they are slowly been changed back!
Ha! I knew their poor decision making would be the making of those Enviros! I bet without NX's ECU set up these new E200's/400's are very quick. I only wish the interlock wouldn't exist and that annoying 'rock' that the buses do before they pull away from stops and traffic lights.. The Metrobuses never rocked before pulling off and nor did the Tridents iirc.
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2015, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 15, 2015, 07:00:40 PM
Will it be Walsall and BC after the 9 then, sorry if this has already been posted?
Only vehicles officially announced so far are
6101-22 (E400MMC standard for Pensnett - 9) deliveries staring end of February
861-875 (E200 same as up to 860 in all respects) split between Coventry (2/3); Pensnett (243/4) & Wolverhampton - delivery starting in March
How many are WN having? I've been told its 3 E200's
Allocations & Registrations for the first 37 new buses are now on the main site
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
Allocations & Registrations for the first 37 new buses are now on the main site
Thats interesting, wonder if 823/4 will be added to the pool for the 243/4?
Are the three for Wolverhampton for a specific route?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on February 16, 2015, 06:42:11 PM
Are the three for Wolverhampton for a specific route?
Presumably to supplement the ones we already have allowing a couple more B6's to be withdrawn
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on February 16, 2015, 06:42:11 PM
Are the three for Wolverhampton for a specific route?
Presumably to supplement the ones we already have allowing a couple more B6's to be withdrawn
Not far off Nathan. A couple of B6s do need to come off the road soon and the easiest way to replace them was with these three, so they will be just mixed in with the 840-852, but with a couple covering B6 routes
Any idea which 2 PL b6's are due for the chop, is this because the MOT's are due.
Quote from: 37351ml on February 18, 2015, 10:42:24 PM
Any idea which 2 PL b6's are due for the chop, is this because the MOT's are due.
Not much to chose from there is only 14
They are
508
582
586
598
601
620
632/3/4
638/40
662/69
677
Quote from: Rhys S on February 18, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on February 18, 2015, 10:42:24 PM
Any idea which 2 PL b6's are due for the chop, is this because the MOT's are due.
Not much to chose from there is only 14
They are
508
582
586
596
601
620
632/3/4
638/40
662/69
677
Has 600 gone? :( :( :(
Quote from: Rhys S on February 18, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on February 18, 2015, 10:42:24 PM
Any idea which 2 PL b6's are due for the chop, is this because the MOT's are due.
Not much to chose from there is only 14
They are
508
582
586
596
601
620
632/3/4
638/40
662/69
677
@Rhys S 598 is still in service, not 596
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2015, 10:50:29 PM
Has 600 gone? :( :( :(
Sorry to say but it has
Withdrawn 600 R160 YON Volvo B6LE
Quote from: Alex on February 18, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
@Rhys S 598 is still in service, not 596
Thanks !!!!
@Alex Rhys, can you edit your posts in future to save double posting
Sorry winston
You've all forgotten 244
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2015, 06:27:26 AM
You've all forgotten 244
Which was still going strong on the 11's yesterday (Although intitially allocated to 59's in garage!)
The enviro 400 mmc could it be referred to as a mk 2 enviro 400 or am I missing something.
Quote from: 2900 on February 20, 2015, 09:56:13 AM
The enviro 400 mmc could it be referred to as a mk 2 enviro 400 or am I missing something.
Could do but the MMC is major model change. If your referring to Mk1 and Mk2 Metrobuses then the difference isn't the same as between a E400 and a MMC. A more balanced assumption would be between the early 47's, 48's, being Mk1 and the E40D's late 48's and 49's hundreds as Mk2's. The MMC is totally new body which looks nothing like the original E400. Suppose if you want to stretch it it'll be a Mk3.
Can they not just be Enviro 400's? After all a VW Golf is a golf is a golf, despite many different versions.
Quote from: Gareth on February 20, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
Can they not just be Enviro 400's? After all a VW Golf is a golf is a golf, despite many different versions.
Which Golf, the original or the MMC?.............
When referring to cars my main passion the current golf is the mk7 with the iconic original being the mk1 legend, when ordering spares it helps to know which mk you have, hope this helps.
LS I agree with what you are with the metrobuses there were subtle differences between 2and3 more so on the mk1, enviro 400 e40d chassis changes were quite exstensive I imagine by relocating the engine to the left same as Volvo b7tl , wander why they did that.
As for the enviro 400 body other than the head light pods and upper rear ermgency window being of a different design, it the same all the way through its production run.
47**, 4800-4829 - Mk1
4830-4982 - Mk1a
E400 MMC - Mk2
That's how I think about it
When I saw the type trainer MMC in Stourbridge what struck me was how similar it was to the earlier ones - much less of a change than Trident to E400. The front and rear have been tweaked and made more 'muscular' which I liked, and it had the new flush windows, which were also better, but it still felt like an E400, which I'm sure is the idea.
Forgot to say, the MMC demo passed me by Burntree Tesco earlier on in the week. Looks very smart and can't wait to see the first ones in service
Quote from: Stevo on February 22, 2015, 10:53:20 AM
When I saw the type trainer MMC in Stourbridge what struck me was how similar it was to the earlier ones - much less of a change than Trident to E400. The front and rear have been tweaked and made more 'muscular' which I liked, and it had the new flush windows, which were also better, but it still felt like an E400, which I'm sure is the idea.
Well.. Yes Stevo it is still supposed to feel like an E400, its still called the Enviro .. If it was a totally new name then I guess it would be completely reworked inside, outside and chassis.
Must be differences though as drivers require training on them!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 22, 2015, 09:08:39 PM
Must be differences though as drivers require training on them!
Yeah the cab is totally reworked for, I imagine, ergonomics etc.
are due by the end of the month they must be on site at ADL awaiting collection and delivery. En route to the West Midlands or hidden away somewhere by NX. Any thoughts?
They won't arrive till early next month as they have been assigned 15 regs.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:36:13 PM
They won't arrive till early next month as they have been assigned 15 regs.
That doesn't mean they won't arrive in February, just they will enter service in March
With Scottish regs I presume they're built at Falkirk and will come down the M6. I'm keeping a close look-out during my journeys up and down it.
Quote from: Stevo on February 24, 2015, 06:42:44 PM
With Scottish regs I presume they're built at Falkirk and will come down the M6. I'm keeping a close look-out during my journeys up and down it.
Yes, all the first 37 new buses are built at Falkirk, hopefully the 200s will be a better build quality than Scarborough buult earlier ones
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2015, 06:19:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 24, 2015, 05:36:13 PM
They won't arrive till early next month as they have been assigned 15 regs.
That doesn't mean they won't arrive in February, just they will enter service in March
A hint of something imminent perhaps?
@Tony Is the 9 to receive branding?
Please no branding. At least let them hit the road in pristine livery before anyone is let loose on them with yards of vinyl. Sadly!
Quote from: RW on February 25, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
Please no branding. At least let them hit the road in pristine livery before anyone is let loose on them with yards of vinyl. Sadly!
At last!!!........someone else who recognises the aesthetic damage caused by this legalised vandalism.
Where have you been these last couple of years while I have been almost a lone voice in stridently criticising this mutilation.
Alas,We still appear to be very much in the minority.......these PR wonks have convinced themselves of the huge illusory benefits of this "branding".
I imagine that people who scribble on buses with felt tip pens are still prosecuted if caught,although,other than being the legal owner of the vehicle,I cannot see much difference.
It brightens up otherwise drab liveries
Some 9 buses to be branded
I noticed some E400's with blue branding but it wasn't advertising any routes, just fares etc. So if they're all going to be in either route branding or fare branding, is it safe to assume the standard livery will have some sort of blue involved. (Standard being the drab red and white)
No
I like the branding of routes makes the plain red/white livery a bit more eye catching
Quote from: karl724223 on February 25, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Some 9 buses to be branded
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/new-dundee-bus-boss-promises-to-bring-a-bit-more-pride-back-to-our-service-1.843859?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
- Posted in NXDundee Thread. I picked up on the branding. If it's a confirmed branding design, it looks nicer, and better than the current one, imo... Suits the MMCs well, mostly. I don't think the branding 'ring' around the destination display is necessary... :-\
Perhaps the 9 branding will be red?? ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 26, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Perhaps the 9 branding will be red?? ::) ::) ::)
@Stuharris 6360 Probably not, as the main colour is red, so i doubt branding would be red as well
Quote from: Alex on February 26, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 26, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
Perhaps the 9 branding will be red?? ::) ::) ::)
@Stuharris 6360 Probably not, as the main colour is red, so i doubt branding would be red as well
For some reason im thinking the branding will be gold
Quote from: clayderman on February 26, 2015, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on February 25, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Some 9 buses to be branded
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/new-dundee-bus-boss-promises-to-bring-a-bit-more-pride-back-to-our-service-1.843859?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
- Posted in NXDundee Thread. I picked up on the branding. If it's a confirmed branding design, it looks nicer, and better than the current one, imo... Suits the MMCs well, mostly. I don't think the branding 'ring' around the destination display is necessary... :-\
But will it be used on the rest of the Dundee fleet? Presidents in British Racing Green - that I'd like to see!
Quote from: Stevo on February 27, 2015, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 26, 2015, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on February 25, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
Some 9 buses to be branded
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/new-dundee-bus-boss-promises-to-bring-a-bit-more-pride-back-to-our-service-1.843859?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
- Posted in NXDundee Thread. I picked up on the branding. If it's a confirmed branding design, it looks nicer, and better than the current one, imo... Suits the MMCs well, mostly. I don't think the branding 'ring' around the destination display is necessary... :-\
But will it be used on the rest of the Dundee fleet? Presidents in British Racing Green - that I'd like to see!
It's not even confirmed that it will become the new NXD livery yet, it is a proposal only at present
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
Personally I don't think of changing 47xx Geminis for 47xx Enviro 400s an upgrade! But one thing it will do will mean there are enough buses from one batch for the corridor so a bit of uniformity instead of the current mix on there
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
Maybe its to cascade the gemini's on the dudley road route to AG to upgrade the 11A/C to all geminis and withdraw the presidents or cascade them to over garages
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
0r PN to see off Mercs
That's a shame when the 35 and 50 are finally consistent allocation wise, must admit I am annoyed 4745 is going. Why not use the chance to upgrade the 2/3 and see off some Presidents and 02 plate Tridents to PE.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
But the Dudley Road routes are being 'upgraded' with seven year old buses (new in 2008). Prior to the upgrade to brand new Geminis in 2006, the 82 and 87 were Metrobus operated. It's not like the 82 and 87 are getting brand new buses.
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Cv for the gems to see off some tridents to PE
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Sorry just realised that, so deleted the post. Why transfer the E400s to WB for the Dudley Road services when buses have only recently been branded for the route.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Sorry just realised that, so deleted the post. Why transfer the E400s to WB for the Dudley Road services when buses have only recently been branded for the route.
82/87 83/89 plus they would probably stray onto other routes
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Cv for the gems to see off some tridents to PE
Doubt that because it would involve repainting all the buses. I still think someway will be found to throw up more Tridents so they can go to WN to see off the Spectra's with excess to PE to further see off the Mercs??!!
Also depends what happens next week when PEs E400s are transferred to PB, yes the Bendis are going, but what about the excess?
But the point is PN need to get rid of mercs as well as WB
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
But the point is PN need to get rid of mercs as well as WB
true but we still have the E200s to arrive for the 243/4, that will see off 7 more Mercs.
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
But the point is PN need to get rid of mercs as well as WB
Well if PE don't loose any more E400's when all the MMC's are introduced they'll still have a gain overall to loose a few Mercs won't they?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
So in a
@monkeyjoe world putting refurbished 9 year old buses on a route is disgusting (Geminis on 94) but putting 8 year old unrefurbished buses on a route is a biased upgrade
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on March 06, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
But the point is PN need to get rid of mercs as well as WB
Well if PE don't loose any more E400's when all the MMC's are introduced they'll still have a gain overall to loose a few Mercs won't they?
I thought it was 22 MMCs for 22 09 Enviros to PB, so no net gain or loss?
Delighted to see YW are going to receive new double decks at last; however disappointed to see that the Enviro 400s are instead leaving instead of going to upgrade the 2/3/76 really, seeing off some Presidents and Tridents.
However this will likely mean the YW Scania Omnilinks will be refurbished soon I reckon leading to the 6 and 27 seeing a nice little upgrade in interior quality. That can happen once YW are done sending off their remaining old NX livery repaint Tridents, they can move straight on to the Omnilinks considering there won't be a need to re do the more worn out E400s from the 50. Although if they do that put them in the new livery; would mean the 6 could be seen as "upgraded"! ;)
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
2007 E400s for 2006 Geminis is a downgrade.
Actually may have been quick to judge if it means the 11 will move to all Gem's.
Quote from: Mike K on March 06, 2015, 08:44:11 PM
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Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
2007 E400s for 2006 Geminis is a downgrade.
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The WB Gemini's have been repainted & most refurb'd since new. The YW ex 50 E400's will come with original paintwork & moquette
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
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Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Cv for the gems to see off some tridents to PE
Doubt that because it would involve repainting all the buses. I still think someway will be found to throw up more Tridents so they can go to WN to see off the Spectra's with excess to PE to further see off the Mercs??!!
Also depends what happens next week when PEs E400s are transferred to PB, yes the Bendis are going, but what about the excess?
May as well throw in my ten pence worth. ALX400's from PB to WB perhaps. I'm sure WN will get its Spectra replacements from somewhere
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 06, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 06, 2015, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 06, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 06, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
Today's announcement from the MD on the new vehicle front was
26 E400MMCs for Yardley Wood for the 50 arriving from Mid April onwards
E400s currently on the 50 moving to West Bromwich for the Dudley Road services
So where are them gems off to ?
My bet would be to WN to see off the Spectra's!
Why introduce a new type to WN when tridents should be able to transfer in with all the new orders I'd have thought?!
Cv for the gems to see off some tridents to PE
Doubt that because it would involve repainting all the buses. I still think someway will be found to throw up more Tridents so they can go to WN to see off the Spectra's with excess to PE to further see off the Mercs??!!
Also depends what happens next week when PEs E400s are transferred to PB, yes the Bendis are going, but what about the excess?
May as well throw in my ten pence worth. ALX400's from PB to WB perhaps. I'm sure WN will get its Spectra replacements from somewhere
An idea would be that the ALX400's in YW stay on the same routes but at WB the Gemini's see somewhere else, or maybe they can get introduced to Pensnett.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Seems the pecking order is consistent.
I don't see why the Dudley Rd routes should get ANOTHER upgrade when they were upgraded in 2006, when other potentially busier corridors have had jack since the early 2000s.
Yay! ;D, this is great news. Maybe I will opt for the 87 rather than the train in the future then. Sunday allocations at WB are going to become very interesting
Out of interest, is NX going to keep demo, YX64 AOO?
I reckon the WB Geminis will be coming to AG. If so, that's excellent news. I should be on the road at NX in 6-8 weeks so that would be exciting :)
Quote from: Sayeed on March 07, 2015, 02:08:09 AM
Out of interest, is NX going to keep demo, YX64 AOO?
More than likely a no, it left weeks ago
I also think the b7tl will leave pb for wb
Or WB could keep the Gemini's to see off their Mercs?
I think the WB 06 reg Geminis will be going to Dundee
Didn't think of that but I would have thought would make sense to put them on the 11. Not sure if they would get way with sending the presidents to Dundee.
So my fears have materialised more enviros to west brom oh crap, and how is replacing gems with enviro 400s of a similar age an upgrade, gems wipes the floor with enviros. It all so depressing
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 07, 2015, 10:15:29 AM
Didn't think of that but I would have thought would make sense to put them on the 11. Not sure if they would get way with sending the presidents to Dundee.
Dundee already have more than enough Presidents, they are now too old to use on Fife School. They could do with more modern deckers
@2900 Does seem a bit of downgrade for you there regarding the Geminis - although these YW E400s are pretty good actually - quite good at accelerating and actually pretty well built. I use them quite a bit and once they've had a refresh inside/out they'll be good as new again.
I assume these 57 plate enviro 400s have the trident chassis with the 8.3 litre cummins c series engine, which type gearboxes do these have. Guess I,ll have plenty to compare.
Wil the remaining 4500 gems be off else where then
Quote from: 2900 on March 07, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
I assume these 57 plate enviro 400s have the trident chassis with the 8.3 litre cummins c series engine, which type gearboxes do these have. Guess I,ll have plenty to compare.
Wil the remaining 4500 gems be off else where then
I'm sure the Euro 4 E400's are fitted with Cummins B series engine. The C series was fitted to our Tridents and 4698
They're on their way down the M74...
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The first 7 are already at Pensnett garage as of today - see Pensnett Garage thread, Winston
Please... No more Gemini transfers out of WB. We've gone from having a large batch (4503-4514, 4517-4534, 4635-4642, 4700-4717) to having 14 45** Gems and 18 47**s. Hopefully Perry Barr's 44**s will transfer to WB, but I think more likely destinations are WA or AG.
Quote from: 2900 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
So my fears have materialised more enviros to west brom oh crap, and how is replacing gems with enviro 400s of a similar age an upgrade, gems wipes the floor with enviros. It all so depressing
To be fair, Geminis wipe the floor with everything
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2015, 11:15:02 AM
Please... No more Gemini transfers out of WB. We've gone from having a large batch (4503-4514, 4517-4534, 4635-4642, 4700-4717) to having 14 45** Gems and 18 47**s. Hopefully Perry Barr's 44**s will transfer to WB, but I think more likely destinations are WA or AG.
Quote from: 2900 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
So my fears have materialised more enviros to west brom oh crap, and how is replacing gems with enviro 400s of a similar age an upgrade, gems wipes the floor with enviros. It all so depressing
To be fair, Geminis wipe the floor with everything
Don't forget, Perry Barr might lose the 42** B7TLs instead of Geminis
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2015, 11:15:02 AM
Please... No more Gemini transfers out of WB. We've gone from having a large batch (4503-4514, 4517-4534, 4635-4642, 4700-4717) to having 14 45** Gems and 18 47**s. Hopefully Perry Barr's 44**s will transfer to WB, but I think more likely destinations are WA or AG.
Quote from: 2900 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
So my fears have materialised more enviros to west brom oh crap, and how is replacing gems with enviro 400s of a similar age an upgrade, gems wipes the floor with enviros. It all so depressing
To be fair, Geminis wipe the floor with everything
Don't forget, Perry Barr might lose the 42** B7TLs instead of Geminis
Good point, looking at the ALX/Gemini ratio at PB that makes a lot more sense ::)
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2015, 11:15:02 AM
Please... No more Gemini transfers out of WB. We've gone from having a large batch (4503-4514, 4517-4534, 4635-4642, 4700-4717) to having 14 45** Gems and 18 47**s. Hopefully Perry Barr's 44**s will transfer to WB, but I think more likely destinations are WA or AG.
Quote from: 2900 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:57 AM
So my fears have materialised more enviros to west brom oh crap, and how is replacing gems with enviro 400s of a similar age an upgrade, gems wipes the floor with enviros. It all so depressing
To be fair, Geminis wipe the floor with everything
Don't forget, Perry Barr might lose the 42** B7TLs instead of Geminis
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis? I would have thought the most likely place for a batch of Geminis to end up is in the two tone green livery of Dundee - this would match their other double deckers and allow the non less than 15 yr age compliant Presidents to be withdrawn. How many have they got - 16 so that matches a certain batch fairly evenly??
The Hagley Road will look very different when the 22 MMCs enter service. All we need now is a special 126 livery by Best Impressions to extol the virtues of Dudley Zoo and the Black Country museum to complement the 9s!!!
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?
We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?
We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses
I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?
We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses
I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.
Don't forget that Pensnett are also having 7 new E200's to replace Mercs as well, I should imagine the remaining Mercs will be withdrawn by cascading Tridents in
Quote from: Winston on March 08, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?
We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses
I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.
Don't forget that Pensnett are also having 7 new E200's to replace Mercs as well, I should imagine the remaining Mercs will be withdrawn by cascading Tridents in
Yeah possibly - but cascading in a further 20 Tridents??? The 4125-4224 don't seem to be being repainted except 4177 any longer so I would think it questionable whether any non refurbed/re engined ones even get cascaded or simply replaced.
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 08, 2015, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
Quote from: John on March 08, 2015, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?
We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses
I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.
Don't forget that Pensnett are also having 7 new E200's to replace Mercs as well, I should imagine the remaining Mercs will be withdrawn by cascading Tridents in
Yeah possibly - but cascading in a further 20 Tridents??? The 4125-4224 don't seem to be being repainted except 4177 any longer so I would think it questionable whether any non refurbed/re engined ones even get cascaded or simply replaced.
It will become priority for the B'ham depots to reduce quantities of Euro 3 B7TL's & Tridents over the next two years in order to comply with the new B'ham SQPS rule of Min Euro 4 on all frequent routes within B'ham City Centre from Spring 2017. And there are a lot, particularly at BC. It's highly unlikely any more Tridents will be re-engined, as there aren't enough years left in them to get payback on new engines.
wouldnt there need to be replacement of all mercs/b6/spectras before tridents start going?
Quote from: mranon on March 08, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
wouldnt there need to be replacement of all mercs/b6/spectras before tridents start going?
Yes, B6LE's, B10L's & Mercs all need to be gone before the end of this year.
Spectra's will most likely go due to poor reliability, but don't have to be withdrawn
Consideration on reducing the concentration of Euro 3 double deckers at B'ham garages also needs to be taken in to consideration when allocating new buses/cascading. Otherwise large batches of new buses will all have to be put in to B'ham garages during 2016/early 2017. BC currently has 129 Tridents, other than circa 12 which have re-engined the rest wont comply come Spring 2017. PB also has 80 x B7TL ALX400's & Gemini which wont comply after Min Euro 4 comes in. That's nearly 200 deckers that need replacing/removing from those garages & you've also got AG (routes 5 & 31), WB (routes 80, 89, 127 & 128) & YW (routes 2 & 3) on top of that lot.
I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.
Quote from: NXDom on March 08, 2015, 02:14:45 PM
I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.
By who? Quite a bit of money has just been spent swapping engines and gearboxes around to get 16 fit
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2015, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 08, 2015, 02:14:45 PM
I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.
By who? Quite a bit of money has just been spent swapping engines and gearboxes around to get 16 fit
NX may have a chance of selling the Spectra's on for further service schools etc rather than scrapping.
Any idea how many e400'mmc are coming out tommorow?
3
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
ok but was only on about PN
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
ok but was only on about PN
Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.
I personally think with the amount of buses coming this year, both the Pershore Rd and Bristol Rd will be upgraded cascading Y Reg Tridents to garages such as WA, CV and PE to see off Mercs and B10Ls and 4610-34 to WN to see off Spectra's and B6's.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
ok but was only on about PN
Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.
The only time you will see the e400 mmc on other pn routes will be most likely weekend as the 9 needs all 22 for weekdays service.
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 08, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
ok but was only on about PN
Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.
The only time you will see the e400 mmc on other pn routes will be most likely weekend as the 9 needs all 22 for weekdays service.
Still think that you will see the new ones on the 53, 246 etc!
Quote from: Matt on March 08, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 08, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:07:20 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
*blows whistle* calm down folks!
ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9
It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.
Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!
ok but was only on about PN
Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.
The only time you will see the e400 mmc on other pn routes will be most likely weekend as the 9 needs all 22 for weekdays service.
Talk is that unbranded ones will be on the Sunday 141s
I am surprised no ones mentioned which routes will get the 7 09 plate e400 that are staying at pn. Tbh i think they will float between any trident operated route
222 x96 205 297
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:55:18 PM
222 x96 205 297
Think that the 246 should be made 100% decker.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 08, 2015, 08:57:58 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 08:55:18 PM
222 x96 205 297
Think that the 246 should be made 100% decker.
@Stuharris 6360 Agreed, the 246 is most likely to be given the 09 plate E400's
@Rhys S The 222 already has dedicated E200's, the X96 may get them, if any are spare, the 205 will probably get either E200's, if spare, and B7RLE's otherwise, the 297'll be the same, i reckon
Will the 141 still get the 09's then or have I missed something?
Quote from: Nathan on March 08, 2015, 08:24:28 PM
I personally think with the amount of buses coming this year, both the Pershore Rd and Bristol Rd will be upgraded cascading Y Reg Tridents to garages such as WA, CV and PE to see off Mercs and B10Ls and 4610-34 to WN to see off Spectra's and B6's.
46xx's have just been branded for the 14. They'll be staying for a while.
BC will be getting MMC's for the 900/957, cascading E400's to Pershore Road (and BR?) Opening up 41's to the other garages
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 08, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
I am surprised no ones mentioned which routes will get the 7 09 plate e400 that are staying at pn. Tbh i think they will float between any trident operated route
I would have thought that the mathematics were quite simple.
Until recently, Pensnett had 54 double deckers - 29 E400's and 25 Tridents. After the remaining 18 09-reg have gone to PB, Pensnett will have 54 double deckers - 29 E400's and 25 Tridents (albeit with 22 of the E400's being MMC).
Therefore, apart from the 9 going to MMC operation (although probably with the odd Trident or 09-reg E400), the number of double deckers available for other routes will be exactly the same as now. Therefore, Pensnett double deckers will probably be used on the same routes that they are now.
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 08, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
I am surprised no ones mentioned which routes will get the 7 09 plate e400 that are staying at pn. Tbh i think they will float between any trident operated route
I would have thought that the mathematics were quite simple.
Until recently, Pensnett had 54 double deckers - 29 E400's and 25 Tridents. After the remaining 18 09-reg have gone to PB, Pensnett will have 54 double deckers - 29 E400's and 25 Tridents (albeit with 22 of the E400's being MMC).
Therefore, apart from the 9 going to MMC operation (although probably with the odd Trident or 09-reg E400), the number of double deckers available for other routes will be exactly the same as now. Therefore, Pensnett double deckers will probably be used on the same routes that they are now.
That's what i thought lol
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
I too enjoyed 6102, it's fan was rather loud, but you have to love the bell noice, really good interior, all be it the seats are very hard, and the fire door is diagonal. Also do these buses have one less seat than the current e400s as there is no seat behind the driver? Very pleased with buses, I am also pleased that I got on one that has not been trashed yet, no rattles and very smooth
9/10 for me
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
I too enjoyed 6102, it's fan was rather loud, but you have to love the bell noice, really good interior, all be it the seats are very hard, and the fire door is diagonal. Also do these buses have one less seat than the current e400s as there is no seat behind the driver? Very pleased with buses, I am also pleased that I got on one that has not been trashed yet, no rattles and very smooth
9/10 for me
They have more seats
Quote from: Andrew on March 09, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
I too enjoyed 6102, it's fan was rather loud, but you have to love the bell noice, really good interior, all be it the seats are very hard, and the fire door is diagonal. Also do these buses have one less seat than the current e400s as there is no seat behind the driver? Very pleased with buses, I am also pleased that I got on one that has not been trashed yet, no rattles and very smooth
9/10 for me
They have more seats
Yes same number downstairs, two more upstairs
What Trident 4194 means is the heater fan downstairs, which certainly was loud and almost drowned out the engine sound. It went on reduced power and became quieter later.
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
What Trident 4194 means is the heater fan downstairs, which certainly was loud and almost drowned out the engine sound. It went on reduced power and became quieter later.
Talking of the heater fan, hopefully heating is better on the MMC than on old style Enviro400's some of which can be pretty freezing in the winter...
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
Another spelling mistake?! Is it work experience kids in the graphics department? I know we all make the odd mistake every now and again, but to get it wrong on leaflets and even worse, the branding is poor show.
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed.
Also my mom went on one from quinton to halesowen, and said she didn't even realise it coming, she was impressed with them
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed
I think they are a bit longer than the 48**
Extra two seats upstairs because the staircase is shorter, hence loss of seat underneath
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed
I think they are a bit longer than the 48**
Extra two seats upstairs because the staircase is shorter, hence loss of seat underneath
Are they the same length then?
I haven't got the dimensions yet to compare
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed
I think they are a bit longer than the 48**
Extra two seats upstairs because the staircase is shorter, hence loss of seat underneath
Are they the same length then?
I haven't got the dimensions yet to compare
According to the New Enviro400mmc brochure, the full length version can seat up to 7 people more, so perhaps these are not full length. Strangly thr brochure doesn't give dimensions.
Are the original style Enviro400s still being built, or are only MMC being built now?
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
I too enjoyed 6102, it's fan was rather loud, but you have to love the bell noice, really good interior, all be it the seats are very hard, and the fire door is diagonal. Also do these buses have one less seat than the current e400s as there is no seat behind the driver? Very pleased with buses, I am also pleased that I got on one that has not been trashed yet, no rattles and very smooth
9/10 for me
Way too warm though, were the heaters stuck on??
@Matt shouldn't have been and i quote
"ADL engineers have made profound changes. These are
based on a new approach that incorporates a heating unit
located in the lower saloon. This forces air to all corners
of the bus quickly and efficiently, providing a constant
temperature throughout and combined with an air
chiller can contain heat to circa 17-18°C ensuring that
passengers remain warm in the winter and cool in the
summer months."
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 09, 2015, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 09, 2015, 04:20:26 PM
I rode on 6102 today from Colmore Row to Stourbridge and was impressed. The ride seemed better than the previous E400s and there was nothing wrong with performance - it was quick off the mark and got into 6th gear through Five Ways underpass. I liked the interior too. The new moquette with red dots was attractive and I approved of the 'don't put your feet on the seats' signs. The engine had a nice throb, too. It was lighter at 11.2 something tonnes. Two girls were handing out leaflets for passenger's opinions with free tickets as a reward. But learn how to use a spell check, people! Automically?
I too enjoyed 6102, it's fan was rather loud, but you have to love the bell noice, really good interior, all be it the seats are very hard, and the fire door is diagonal. Also do these buses have one less seat than the current e400s as there is no seat behind the driver? Very pleased with buses, I am also pleased that I got on one that has not been trashed yet, no rattles and very smooth
9/10 for me
Way too warm though, were the heaters stuck on??
@Matt shouldn't have been and i quote
"ADL engineers have made profound changes. These are
based on a new approach that incorporates a heating unit
located in the lower saloon. This forces air to all corners
of the bus quickly and efficiently, providing a constant
temperature throughout and combined with an air
chiller can contain heat to circa 17-18°C ensuring that
passengers remain warm in the winter and cool in the
summer months."
It was way too warm though... @Trident 4194 will back me up haha
@Matt Would love to know where the figure 17 - 18 degress comes from? That would be slightly to warm for me!
Anything hotter than -10 is hot for me!
Quote from: John on March 09, 2015, 08:51:53 PM
Are the original style Enviro400s still being built, or are only MMC being built now?
I should imagine so. It's still on their website, i'd imagine the MMC is their new flagship model, so they'd promote it more(?), as a greener vehicle, definitely. ???
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed
I think they are a bit longer than the 48**
Extra two seats upstairs because the staircase is shorter, hence loss of seat underneath
Are they the same length then?
I haven't got the dimensions yet to compare
Perhaps this may help? On that day when the E400MMC demonstrator visited Birmingham, I had a look through the info booklet and took a picture of the dimensions. Picture of the dimensions (http://i.imgur.com/oNi8zeb.jpg).
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 09, 2015, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 09, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
How has it got 2 extra seats upstairs? Also I'm glad to see the buggy space is a lot more spacious and well designed
I think they are a bit longer than the 48**
Extra two seats upstairs because the staircase is shorter, hence loss of seat underneath
Are they the same length then?
I haven't got the dimensions yet to compare
Perhaps this may help? On that day when the E400MMC demonstrator visited Birmingham, I had a look through the info booklet and took a picture of the dimensions. Picture of the dimensions (http://i.imgur.com/oNi8zeb.jpg).
The ones currently being delivered to NXWM are 10.9M long I believe
What about leg room for 6 footers! on the new ones? Can I sit comfortably without my knees in my belly or one leg out in the passageway like on a majority of seats on an Omnilinks?!
Quote from: suavegarv on March 09, 2015, 11:25:02 PM
What about leg room for 6 footers! on the new ones? Can I sit comfortably without my knees in my belly or one leg out in the passageway like on a majority of seats on an Omnilinks?!
I am six foot as well and tried loads of seats and every one had about 3 inches spare legroom for me
I had a short ride on 6107 today and was very impressed with the wheelchair and buggy provision .It must be the best on any double decker and better than almost all single deckers.
Currently on 6104 heading out of the city and I'm not gonna lie, loving the leg room, all 6ft 4in fits with room to spare! And the rides nice and smooth as well
@Kevin I can concur with you on that
My brothers went on one today, they said they are very nice, but he said " it was like Barbados on there, with heating on all the way from halesowen to stourbridge. He also said the seats seem wider."
My other brother said" they have a low ceiling, And was too hot"
Just thought I'd share some non enthusiasts opinions
Quite a few passengers I've heard say that they're quieter, roomy and better. you could even smell the newness!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 10, 2015, 07:36:54 PM
My brothers went on one today, they said they are very nice, but he said " it was like Barbados on there, with heating on all the way from halesowen to stourbridge. He also said the seats seem wider."
My other brother said" they have a low ceiling, And was too hot"
Just thought I'd share some non enthusiasts opinions
A It's March, I would expect the heating to be on (may be too warm, but heaters are normally on in March.
B Low ceiling? compared to what? as they are no lower than other buses
Oddly enough I had the distinct impression that the ceiling height towards the rear of the lower deck was lower than before.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 10, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
Quite a few passengers I've heard say that they're quieter, roomy and better. you could even smell the newness!
I caught 6101 this morning. I could definitely smell something 'pleasant'... A bus equivalent to new car smell? :P
Brilliant bus(es) - I hope I can catch them to school most mornings... Of course a 100% chance when all 22 are in service. I agree with some statements, regarding the cooling fan(?), my opinion: It seems a tad bit loud, though, it shouldn't really 'block' speech, so to speak, no pun intended. It did seem a bit too warm, though, nonetheless pleasant. It is very spacious, compared to the Euro 5 version, especially around the door... The interior did seem stupendously well-lit...
What's more, he driver was awfully friendly, and quite talkative to his passengers, seeing as the new cab door 'protrudes' outwards slightly, giving a more sociable, and an approachable feel to it. We exchanged thanks when I got off my stop. Other passengers' reaction were mostly, if not, all positive, from what I could see...
I have a day off school on Friday, so I hope I can spend the whole day on some MMCs, and possibly a cheeky round trip. ;)
Overall, I'd give this bus a whopping
9/10, despite the ever so slightly askew (in my opinion) temperature, and the relatively loud cooling fan.
The other day I was parked behind a new enviro 400 mmc looking at the rear engine cover it appears to be made of GRP reason I say there's hell of lot of ripples in the finish made obvious by dark new paint, to me it just looked cheap, to get grp moulds perfect extremely hard work.
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
The other day I was parked behind a new enviro 400 mmc looking at the rear engine cover it appears to be made of GRP reason I say there's hell of lot of ripples in the finish made obvious by dark new paint, to me it just looked cheap, to get grp moulds perfect extremely hard work.
I thought the very same on Saturday when I got stuck behind one between Colley Gate and Halesowen. Looked like a team of panel beaters had been having a go at the bonnet. What is GRP by the way?
Glass reinforced plastic bus industry and metrocabs love the stuff
If you ever notice Any panel on a bus that has shape swage lines etc will be made from grp cause it's cheap rather than aluminium which would require press machines to be made up which is costly
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 11:28:55 PM
If you ever notice Any panel on a bus that has shape swage lines etc will be made from grp cause it's cheap rather than aluminium which would require press machines to be made up which is costly
Fibre glass?
On the mercs the only thing on the outside you'll find that was grp was the front bumper every thing else all mild steel, most buses I find the entire front and rear ends except bonnets in the most case are made from grp panels unstressed I might add. There's a picture somewhere of a metrobus at Hockley garage it's worth seeing completely fire ravaged all the ally panels have long melted away but the grp panels still there it stands out like a sore thumb, Tony probably knows which bus I,m on about.
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 11:43:14 PM
On the mercs the only thing on the outside you'll find that was grp was the front bumper every thing else all mild steel, most buses I find the entire front and rear ends except bonnets in the most case are made from grp panels unstressed I might add. There's a picture somewhere of a metrobus at Hockley garage it's worth seeing completely fire ravaged all the ally panels have long melted away but the grp panels still there it stands out like a sore thumb, Tony probably knows which bus I,m on about.
2964, I believe. It has a front and rear end with very little left inbetween!
Glass reinforced plastic, GRP, glass fibre same thing, horrible stuff to work with.
Alexander alx400 and enviro 200 400 interiors are awash with this grp but finished with blue or grey gel coat, all smooth and shiny just looks cheap and nasty, granted its easy to clean, Wrightbus is the same but they,ve given it a textured finish with a matt blue colour looks so much better, not cheap looking. 4709 gained a shiny front dash area after its bump with a tree, the finish to be honest is crap its been applied with a paint brush there loads of crap in the paint a simple pre clean would have helped the finish, it really does look hopeless. There's one president that's had its whole cab painted in this shiny blue its awfull nothing appears to be masked up or even cleaned its a joke.
I think that when 4768-4776 move, they move to PB for the 907 which could then pass on the omnicity's to the 46 which would then only leave the 65, 67 & 94 not euro 4+ (Birmingham routes).
It's been a while. Not NX related, but something to do with ADL, and I figured I may as well use this thread, to save creating a new one. Also I've no idea if it has been mentioned here...
ADL E400MMC Demonstrator YX64 VOO has been bought by EYMS: [credit to photographers] I think the livery suits the MMCs very well. They also seem to be branded for the X46, like the MCV Evoseti - and in the description of one of the photos, actually explains that they were both bought around the same time, though i'm not 100% on that - just going off on what I've read.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/6228_leeds/21537517012/in/photolist-yPcpsd-yxyXm5-yQA4mt-ywW9gA-yrDi4Q-xJHm9t-yCoqgq-yxTGJX-yfzhyq-yvrAQT-ytLNKu-xrBtHw-xNDEuq-xNKfBe-y2836i-xHQA7q-y28LV6-xY9phh-xHQrpC-y27Pbk
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dearingbuspix/20926012154/in/photolist-xTahn1-yMSHYj-yxAfC5-yQc4Nv-yPcw8h-yMSpyU-yQbLPR-xT9TEh-yPchTw-yQbH7v-yxEFst-yQXwNk-yxyQBd-yMSeMu-yPcb5G-yMSct1-yxyLbQ-yQbxRM-yQbwut-xTi3zz-yMS611-yQbsEp-yQbrtg-xThXSt-xT9xdA-yPbWpL-yQXdzg-yMRWU1-yxyvwj-yxyu5w-yQbgH4-xThMnF-yxEdb4-yMRMPC-xT9ied-yQb9nc-yxzgxo-yxygCh-yxzdcf-yPbAC1-yxycCd-xT951u-yQaSCB-xT8Z9L-yxDPTP-yQaNuX-yQaMd8-yPbkmj-yMQCTd-yMQBu1
Sorry to drag out an old topic, but the adl deal, how many buses has nx had out of the 600 exclusive deal?
Quote from: Chris on January 30, 2016, 11:29:20 PM
Sorry to drag out an old topic, but the adl deal, how many buses has nx had out of the 600 exclusive deal?
Counting the Crimson Enviro400MMCs & their Platinum equivalents I have it at 106 currently although I could be wrong but thats what I can make out. I'm personally not aware of when this deal was made so hence me only including last years deliveries.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 30, 2016, 11:41:42 PM
Counting the Crimson Enviro400MMCs & their Platinum equivalents I have it at 106 currently although I could be wrong but thats what I can make out. I'm personally not aware of when this deal was made so hence me only including last years deliveries.
I think it 2013? So all buses after the 13 plate e400?
Quote from: Chris on January 30, 2016, 11:43:16 PM
I think it 2013? So all buses after the 13 plate e400?
If that is the case, you could possibly extend my estimation to include the 30 E400Hs as well if any green vehicles were meant to be apart of it
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 30, 2016, 11:46:04 PM
If that is the case, you could possibly extend my estimation to include the 30 E400Hs as well if any green vehicles were meant to be apart of it
Signed in March 2014 so from the 14 plate e400s 100 in 2014 and 125 on average each year. 171ish in 2015 so current total is 271ish out of the 600 so far. Not sure on the exact number for 2015
Quote from: Chris on January 30, 2016, 11:51:00 PM
Signed in March 2014 so from the 14 plate e400s 100 in 2014 and 125 on average each year. 171ish in 2015 so current total is 271ish out of the 600 so far. Not sure on the exact number for 2015
It's probably fair to say that all ADL buses delivered after the signing would mean their part of the deal not to mention and is the deal for 5 years ? With the emission regulations about to kick in soon enough, I'd surmise a lot more vehicles are to arrive
In the estimate i was including the e200/mmcs too
Quote from: Chris on January 31, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
In the estimate i was including the e200/mmcs too
I forgot about them ! I suppose other forum members would probably know better not to mention it was recently mentioned quite a few Platinums will be coming for the Black County
I'm pretty sure that it was said that the 58 platinum buses in 2015 weren't part of the order