Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[trident4370]

What is the PVR of the 94?

I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow

Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.

No reason why they couldn't be split between more than one garage, like the 13 plates

I did think that but If the PVR on the 94 IS 15, then you'd need at least 1 spare probably 2. For arguments sake say 1 that only leaves 4 buses. On the other hand there is PB38?

[Trident 4609]

With it being a figure of 20, sounds like it going to be a singular route as would not be enough to cover a corridor i.e 45/47 or 61/62/63.
Someone mentioned the 74 but would they convert the 74 and not the 75.

So maybe could be e.g 16 or 126 bla bla bla.

No new buses for WN this year so not for the 126 :)

[monkeyjoe]

I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.

[Sh4318]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

[winston]

I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.

I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

Travel London took the bulk of NX double decker deliveries for new Tfl contract wins during that year

[monkeyjoe]

I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.

I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

Travel London took the bulk of NX double decker deliveries for new Tfl contract wins during that year

Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.

[winston]

I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.

I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's

Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.

To be fair the 94 is long overdue an upgrade with a new fleet, particularly as Claribels puts new buses on the route annually. NX don't seem too bothered by Claribels existence, not like some independent operators over the years....

[monkeyjoe]

NXWM probably have got secret share in Claribels or have a deal with them as they might be ex TWM people involved. Also the fact that they have put new buses on that corridors probably means they have less pressure from Centro and they don't have to bother. Again not meaning to be cynical lol.

[winston]

NXWM probably have got secret share in Claribels or have a deal with them as they might be ex TWM people involved. Also the fact that they have put new buses on that corridors probably means they have less pressure from Centro and they don't have to bother. Again not meaning to be cynical lol.

Claribels is a family owned company with the mother & three sons all directors of both Claribels & Birmingham International coaches. Unless it's a joint fleet/infrastructure upgrade between NX & Centro, it's generally up to NX where they choose to allocate new investment.

[wbdriver]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

[monkeyjoe]

They should upgrade the 16.

[John]

I did hear garage whispers a few weeks ago, but no idea if there is any truth in what I heard

[nitromatt1]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...

20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn

[Sh4318]

I was thinking the 20 x Enviros could be for the Pershore Road, that PVR of that corridor couldn't be any more than 23 buses, so the unbranded 63 regs could also be used on the Pershore Road buses:
20 x Enviro400s new to BC
20 x Tridents BC to PE
20 x O405N PE to withdrawn

And if WB were to receive any E400s this year:
? x Enviro400s new to WB
8 x Gemini (46**/54 reg) WB to AG
8 x President AG to WB
? X B6LE & O405N WB to withdrawn

[monkeyjoe]

So people think the likely contenders are as follows:-

If PB = 16 or 94
If BC = 45/47


I put my money on 45/47