Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[don]

Some of the next buses due to arrive are Coventry's 4983-90. registrations are now here

http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html

Some could be here next week

Any clues as to why these were built/delivered before WB 4960-4982? A little curious and I'm presuming NX decided these were needed more urgently rather than other possibilities such as ADL ran out of NX red paint? Or maybe NX didn't want too many of WB's new vehicles fall due for maintenance cycles or MOT at the same time in the future?

Whatever, it's one of those great bus enthusiast curiosities currently!!

Nothing more sinister than this
NX orders 20 new Enviro 400s in time for the Commonwealth games. (Order number E406 - see body numbers)
These are later allocated to BC/WB
NX orders 36 new Enviro 400s (Order number E424) to be split between CV (13 to be delivered first, followed by WB (23)
CV delivery first, but to keep WB fleetnumbers in one block the CV ones are numbered at the end of the batch

Thanks, Tony. Interesting coincidence but double deckers with 28xx and 69xx numbers matching the new vehicles have also worked at/ started new at Coventry in the past.

[Sh4318]

Probably a silly question, but that's the difference between the E40D and Dennis Trident engine? I thought the latest Enviros had a Dennis Trident 2 engine, which is Euro 5. I probably sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, which I probably don't, any help?

[Trident 4609]

Probably a silly question, but that's the difference between the E40D and Dennis Trident engine? I thought the latest Enviros had a Dennis Trident 2 engine, which is Euro 5. I probably sound like I don't know what I'm talking about, which I probably don't, any help?

I presume you mean a Cummins Engine. I know Euro 3 Tridents have a Cummins ISce 225 30 engine (Just reading off the manufacturers plate). Then i would imagine the 47** and 48** (4800-29) would have a Euro 4 spec Cummins Engine and 4830 onwards will have a Euro 5 Spec Cummins engine.

No doubt there is somebody on here who could explain in detail :)

[Stevo]

Tridents had the Cummins C series 8.3 litre engine, which was also fitted to early E400s including 4698. This engine was not offered for Euro4 and instead the B series engine - as fitted to the Dart and Metrorider  - was modified, including being enlarged from 5.9 litre to 6.7 litre. Later E400s including all of NXWM's deliveries have the B series, the Isbe4.  This was later upgraded to Euro 5 and now Euro 6 spec.
One of the very first Euro4 B series was fitted to WN's 4585 experimentally. Has it still got that engine?

[mranon]

stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?

[Trident 4609]

stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?

Yes 4586 has a Euro 4 spec engine compared to the Euro 3 spec fitted to the rest of the batch.

[Stevo]

Sorry - I thought afterwards it was 4586 not 4585. I did travel on it on the 79 from Wolves to Brum (some years past!) and it sounded different to the normal Tridents but not as different as I expected. It was more similar than different - if that makes sense. I did see it broken down in Birmingham, again some years ago - lots of smoke - and wondered if it was the experimental engine that had given up the ghost.

[Trident 4609]

stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?

4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge

[winston]

stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?

4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge

There's more than that: add 4148, 4172, 4178/9, 4185, 4619 & 4633/4 to the above

[Trident 4609]

stevo think its 4586 that has that engine as it has extra filler on o/s (adblue)? it sounds a bit different but i haven't travelled on it for a while. is it this b series engine that some of the y reg tridents were to be fitted with once up on a time?

4166,4176,4177 and 4186 all have Euro 4 engines to my knowledge

There's more than that: add 4148, 4172, 4178/9, 4185, 4619 & 4633/4 to the above

Cheers Winston. I forgot to put 4633/4 on the list but apart from that i wasn't aware of the ones you posted

[Tony]

Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html

[Liverpool Street]

Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html

I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?

[P419 EJW]

Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html

I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?

Hahaha! I didn't notice the "OCD" on the reg plate until now! ;)

[Ally]

Registrations for all E400s up to 4995 are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4700-4879.html

I wonder if the driver of 4960 would keep having to wash his hands after a spin in that?

Hahaha! I didn't notice the "OCD" on the reg plate until now! ;)

The same goes for those who drive Coventry's 4409: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4409.html
Looks like a friend of mine now has 2 buses suited for him ;)
Of note, some of the E400s for Coventry have the same endings on their registrations as some Coventry Tridents do, nice coincidence!

[2900]

The general concensous here at west brom garage regarding the new ADL E40D,s is drivers like them vast improvement some say , slow to pull away is only issue I hear, one said its a safety feature so passengers don't go flying out the back windows, ah the metrobus was great for this in my younger days when some twat annoyed me I,d pull away sharp,ish and watch the moron eat fabric and the same when he,d get off heavy with the brakes eat the bulk head , Oh before any one starts not condoning what I use to do ,very hot headed naive 20 year old back then.  The drivers saying there is power cause they fly up hill.