Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[Wolves256]

What about 20 to PE to upgrade the 9. The PVR for the 9 must be around 20 buses
The current 09 plate E400s have very high mileage and at one time were due to be swapped with YW 57 plate E400s

This would release 20 09 plate E400s to another depot and maybe cascade 20 tridents back to PE as Merc replacements

[the trainbasher]

@Wolves256 it will certainly be interesting to see more e400s at Pensnett, especially with the e200s I assume are due too

[winston]

I was thinking the 20 x Enviros could be for the Pershore Road, that PVR of that corridor couldn't be any more than 23 buses, so the unbranded 63 regs could also be used on the Pershore Road buses:
20 x Enviro400s new to BC
20 x Tridents BC to PE
20 x O405N PE to withdrawn

And if WB were to receive any E400s this year:
? x Enviro400s new to WB
8 x Gemini (46**/54 reg) WB to AG
8 x President AG to WB
? X B6LE & O405N WB to withdrawn

WB aren't due any new deckers this year, wbdriver has already confirmed that 20 x E200's only are due (10 x mini & 10 x standard length)

Don't forget Dundee are due 10 x Y-reg Tridents for Fife Schools work during August, most likely to be from BC as it has the largest allocation of them.

[PM]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...

20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn

Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...

[Tony]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...

20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn

Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...

Same as someone upthread suggesting that 8 Geminis should go WB-AG and 8 Presidents AG-WB a completely pointless excercise

[Stu]

Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?

[Tony]

Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?

That might have been stated, but is not completely correct

[John]

What is the PVR of the 94?

I think its around 15. I will get a definite answer tomorrow

Ah that's alright John, I was just thinking PB Already have plenty of Euro 5 Enviro 400 so wouldn't be difficult for them to have more but the PVR probably isn't high enough for 20.

The 94 PVR is exactly 15, 14 from garage in the morning and the 15th is a PM peak

[B.C Driver]

I did think it could be the 94 with claribels regularly using 13/14 plates, but didn't want to say that as always blabbing about the 94 lol.

I doubt the 94 will be upgraded with new buses this year, but you may stand a decent chance next year with 174+ new buses due to arrive. It may be worth your while waiting a little longer, as they would be likely to be E400 MMC's

Call me cynical but PB management would probably take the new 400s and redeploy them to their City -PB corridors and give the 94 their cast offs after all the branding has fallen off.

To be fair the 94 is long overdue an upgrade with a new fleet, particularly as Claribels puts new buses on the route annually. NX don't seem too bothered by Claribels existence, not like some independent operators over the years....

Thinking about it, all of the main Chelmsley Wood - City routes need upgrading.

The 14 is ran by 13 year old Tridents.
The 94 is mainly 13 year old slow Volvos
The 97 is ran by 11 year old Tridents

I would be surprised if PB gets more new buses.

The 45 and 47 would be my guess. There again the 50 has always been the 'jewel in the crown' and currently has 7 year old buses running on it.

[karl724223]

Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?

That might have been stated, but is not completely correct

Glasgow

[Stuharris 6360]

Being that NE have bought new buses to be used in the west Midlands, they should be used in the West Midlands first! If they want any buses for the Commonwealth Games, then send them some Spectra's!

[Tony]

Being that NE have bought new buses to be used in the west Midlands, they should be used in the West Midlands first! If they want any buses for the Commonwealth Games, then send them some Spectra's!

Perhaps you might like to drive a Spectra 300 miles, if it could actually manage to go 300 miles on a motorway

[Stu]

Wasn't it stated previously that some of this years 'new order' would see service first in Dundee for use on Commonwealth Games contracts?

That might have been stated, but is not completely correct

Glasgow

Obviously I meant NX Dundee, who were meant to be operating contract services at the Games in Glasgow!  ;)

[Tony]

Not an NXWM vehicle, but there is an Enviro 500 in Birmingham at the moment

[Sh4318]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...

20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn

Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...

It's not gonna get any better by the looks of it. @Winston I thought @wbdriver confirmed there were no new Enviro 400s any time soon, I didn't know he meant this year