Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[don]

I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?

We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses

I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.

Don't forget that Pensnett are also having 7 new E200's to replace Mercs as well, I should imagine the remaining Mercs will be withdrawn by cascading Tridents in

Yeah possibly - but cascading in a further 20 Tridents??? The 4125-4224 don't seem to be being repainted except 4177 any longer so I would think it questionable whether any non refurbed/re engined ones even get cascaded or simply replaced.

[winston]

I thought they were just losing 11 bendis?

We are supposed to be getting 22 ex-Pensnett Enviro400s (unless plans have changed), so we will more than likely lose an additional 10 buses

I can't imagine why when Pensnett have 27 Mercs to replace. Unless cascades for President replacement happen first.

Don't forget that Pensnett are also having 7 new E200's to replace Mercs as well, I should imagine the remaining Mercs will be withdrawn by cascading Tridents in

Yeah possibly - but cascading in a further 20 Tridents??? The 4125-4224 don't seem to be being repainted except 4177 any longer so I would think it questionable whether any non refurbed/re engined ones even get cascaded or simply replaced.

It will become priority for the B'ham depots to reduce quantities of Euro 3 B7TL's & Tridents over the next two years in order to comply with the new B'ham SQPS rule of Min Euro 4 on all frequent routes within B'ham City Centre from Spring 2017. And there are a lot, particularly at BC. It's highly unlikely any more Tridents will be re-engined, as there aren't enough years left in them to get payback on new engines.

[mranon]

wouldnt there need to be replacement of all mercs/b6/spectras before tridents start going?

[winston]

wouldnt there need to be replacement of all mercs/b6/spectras before tridents start going?

Yes, B6LE's, B10L's & Mercs all need to be gone before the end of this year.

Spectra's will most likely go due to poor reliability, but don't have to be withdrawn

Consideration on reducing the concentration of Euro 3 double deckers at B'ham garages also needs to be taken in to consideration when allocating new buses/cascading. Otherwise large batches of new buses will all have to be put in to B'ham garages during 2016/early 2017. BC currently has 129 Tridents, other than circa 12 which have re-engined the rest wont comply come Spring 2017. PB also has 80 x B7TL ALX400's & Gemini which wont comply after Min Euro 4 comes in. That's nearly 200 deckers that need replacing/removing from those garages & you've also got AG (routes 5 & 31), WB (routes 80, 89, 127 & 128) & YW (routes 2 & 3) on top of that lot.

[domino.99]

I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.

[Tony]

I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.

By who? Quite a bit of money has just been spent swapping engines and gearboxes around to get 16 fit

[winston]

I got told spectras will be gone by the end of the month.

By who? Quite a bit of money has just been spent swapping engines and gearboxes around to get 16 fit

NX may have a chance of selling the Spectra's on for further service schools etc rather than scrapping.

[Trident 4194]

Any idea how many e400'mmc are coming out tommorow?

[Tara4352]

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[Tara4352]

*blows whistle* calm down folks!

ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9

[Stuharris 6360]

*blows whistle* calm down folks!

ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9

It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.

Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!

[Tara4352]

*blows whistle* calm down folks!

ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9

It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.

Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!

ok but was only on about PN

[Stuharris 6360]

*blows whistle* calm down folks!

ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9

It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.

Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!

ok but was only on about PN

Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.

[Trident 4609]

I personally think with the amount of buses coming this year, both the Pershore Rd and Bristol Rd will be upgraded cascading Y Reg Tridents to garages such as WA, CV and PE to see off Mercs and B10Ls and 4610-34 to WN to see off Spectra's and B6's.

[Chris2301]

*blows whistle* calm down folks!

ok what other routes will the mmcs be on apart from the 9

It has been announced by Tony that the 50 will get new MMcs next month with the old Enviros transferred to WB for the 82/7. apart from that nothing else has been eannounced.

Think it will be fairly certain that some may go to BC for the Bristol Road!

ok but was only on about PN

Don't think PE will get anymore, we only getting them for the 9 because the older ones have accumulated heavy mileages and need replacing before breakdowns start occuring more regularly.

The only time you will see the e400 mmc on other pn routes will be most likely weekend as the 9 needs all 22 for weekdays service.