Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.

Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.

[Trident 4194]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.

Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.

Yes I suppose, I think they need newer but not brand new buses, would like to see more leather seated e400 on 9 maybe?

[Stuharris 6360]

or maybe they may resurrect the plan to put send them to YW thereby releasing some of the earlier Enviros to be cascaded.

[the trainbasher]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

[Stuharris 6360]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!

[Trident 4609]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

WN no longer operate Mercs in service.

[Trident 4194]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!

Unfortunately, will the entire of the fleet in the next few years be all e400s?

[Stuharris 6360]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

True, but with the amount of Enviros on order, surely all garages will have an allocation of Enviros before to long?!

Unfortunately, will the entire of the fleet in the next few years be all e400s?

Yes because all NE have ordered is ADL products, though many of them will be the new Enviro 400MMC!

[Stu]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.

Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.

That's presuming that 29 Enviros elsewhere frees up 29 Geminis to cascade to Acocks Green. To completely upgrade the 11 with new buses would require approx 42 new vehicles.

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.

Yes but 29 Enviros would see off a fair few of the Presidents (well 29 of them actually) and give a better experience for the passengers of the 11 without the need for brand new buses.

That's presuming that 29 Enviros elsewhere frees up 29 Geminis to cascade to Acocks Green. To completely upgrade the 11 with new buses would require approx 42 new vehicles.

Why couldn't AG have Enviro 400s?

[Alex]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! The E200's saw them off to PN

[Stuharris 6360]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! The E200's saw them off to PN

Think Tom meant B6s!

[Trident 4609]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN

I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.

I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's

[Trident 4194]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN

I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.

I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's

I thought the 126 was due e400 mmc

[Stuharris 6360]

Really you're better off sending enviros to a depot that already has the type and has the spares.

Realistic options are:
Send them to Yardley and you could see off some tridents to Coventry, cascading Gemini's to Acocks Green and also see off presidents.
Send them to Birmingham and you could give Yardley tridents to see off presidents.
Keep them at Pensnett to see off Mercs
Send them to wolverhampton to see off mercs
Send them to Walsall to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Perry barr to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green.
Send them to west brom to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green
Send them to Coventry to cascade Gemini's to Acocks Green

Mercs have been gone from WN for about 3 months now! E200's saw them off to PN

I've mentioned above. Only two Mercs (1670/77) were transferred to PE from WN.

I have a feeling this year will be the year the 126 will have new buses. New buses for the 126 would see off Spectra's. I recon some tridents will be displaced to WN (from BC) to see off the B6's

I thought the 126 was due e400 mmc

Nothing confirmed yet as to what routes are to get the new buses, even if it was confirmed NE are very likely to change there mind, they are good at that!