Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[Wolves256]

In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014

UK Bus

The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.

So that's another 79 vehicles this year?

[winston]

In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014

UK Bus

The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.

So that's another 79 vehicles this year?

Potentially, but quoted under 'UK Bus', therefore it's still possible Dundee could get something new later in 2015 once NX have meet their commitments with Centro at NXWM

[Kevin_Brum12]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

[Stu]

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

I do personally think that the Scania bendibuses could well end up being withdrawn before expected. NXWM might want to get as much mileage out of them as they can, but if they spend less time on the road than they do off it, they can't be that cost effective to run.

[winston]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc

[Kevin_Brum12]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc

Or, if they do get a suitable contract elsewhere, export them.  Malta anybody?

[PM]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc

Moving them onto airside work would make a great deal of sense, along with the Merc artics as well. Both are non standard in the NXWM fleet, the Mercs will be especially so as Omnilinks must be fairly similar in terms of drivetrain and spares body parts etc I'd have thought? It doesn't seem the artics at either PB or CV are particularly versatile vehicles and seem to mostly appear on just 1 route at each garage they're suited to. Plus they seem to see more limited use on Sundays.

[PM]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc

Or, if they do get a suitable contract elsewhere, export them.  Malta anybody?

I don't think Maltese politicians will want any more artics on the island somehow!!

[winston]

Another factor may well be standardisation.   It would be tempting for NXWM to use the order to get rid of small fleets of vehicles which do not use standard components, do not have wide driver knowledge and are only used on a certain route or route(s).   This has been done in the past, West Midlands Travel dispatching the Alisa's very early on and in later years withdrawing H reg Scanias rather than older Metrobuses.

With that in mind, it would be tempting to send a further batch of E400's to Perry Barr to permanently eliminate the bendy-buses from the 67, which have no resale value (unlike Presidents.)

The Scania bendi's may have little re-sale value, but will have far higher residual value in NXWM's accounts. To withdraw those early at 10 years old until significantly depreciated would result in a loss on account. A better option may be to try & move them within NX to somewhere like Stansted or Heathrow on car park shuttles etc

Moving them onto airside work would make a great deal of sense, along with the Merc artics as well. Both are non standard in the NXWM fleet, the Mercs will be especially so as Omnilinks must be fairly similar in terms of drivetrain and spares body parts etc I'd have thought? It doesn't seem the artics at either PB or CV are particularly versatile vehicles and seem to mostly appear on just 1 route at each garage they're suited to. Plus they seem to see more limited use on Sundays.

Plus airport transfer work is low mileage which helps with their poor fuel consumption

[don]

In the NX interim statement from 31st October 2014

UK Bus

The UK Bus division performed strongly in the period with growth in both revenue and profit. Commercial revenue grew by 4% in the period, with concessionary revenues 3% higher, and passenger numbers up 1% in the year to date. We are delighted that our pioneering partnership with Centro – especially through our 'Transforming Bus Travel' agreement – won the Transport Partnership of the Year at the recent National Transport Awards. This agreement provides a stability that has delivered record rises in passenger satisfaction measured in recent Passenger Focus surveys and encourages us to invest – we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.

So that's another 79 vehicles this year?

Potentially, but quoted under 'UK Bus', therefore it's still possible Dundee could get something new later in 2015 once NX have meet their commitments with Centro at NXWM

Hercules Poirot suggests:-
12 months = October 2014 to September 2015

4961-4995 = 35
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 250

And
4911-4995 = 85
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 300 (meeting Centro pledge)

[winston]

Hercules Poirot suggests:-
12 months = October 2014 to September 2015

4961-4995 = 35
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 250

And
4911-4995 = 85
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 300 (meeting Centro pledge)

Hercules Poirot needs to retire....  :P

4914-4995 = 82 (only the 26 x PB E400's were included in the Centro Agreement i.e. 63 plate onwards)
831-860 = 30
751-764 = 14
Plus 171 = 297 (3 short of meeting Centro 300 pledge being petty)

[The Fox 4846]

Does anyone know what garages are getting the new buses arriving in March and April?

Also I think that if and when the 900 gets platinum BC should give PB some of the Enviro 400's used for the 900(the 13 plates) for the 7.

[Trident 4194]

Does anyone know what garages are getting the new buses arriving in March and April?

Also I think that if and when the 900 gets platinum BC should give PB some of the Enviro 400's used for the 900(the 13 plates) for the 7.

I would think that other routes are more needed than the 7.

[Liberator9]

I'm fairly sure BC will want to hold onto the 13 reg Enviro 400s - could be used on the 97 for a start, although are there enough.

[Trident 4194]

Pershore road may have some