Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[Stuharris 6360]

An Enviro 500 in Gay Pride Livery by the looks of it!  ;D ;D ;D

Wonder what ASE 6165 is doing there, still got it's route number on which it last worked on the 04 June 2014?

[Sh4318]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

[Tony]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place

[Stuharris 6360]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place

But if you take it to that extreme, they are not WBs buses, they are National Express's to be used as they see fit, unfortunately!

[Sh4318]

@Tony I thought.. Nope, never mind, I'm not gonna explain myself.
Personally I think the 16 would be higher up the pecking order than the 94, I'd like to see some new buses on the Pershore Road 8)

[nitromatt1]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

[Tony]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

But they are not 'AG's' buses, they're WB's. Only enthusiasts think a bus belongs to the first garage it was allocated to. Management think it is an asset to be used at the most appropriate place

But if you take it to that extreme, they are not WBs buses, they are National Express's to be used as they see fit, unfortunately!

That is exactly what I said!

[Stuharris 6360]

To me any new buses from now on will mostly go to Birmingham garages.

All the issues about no B6s, Mercs, Spectra's & Presidents being allowed into Birmingham has now been solved, some new E200s will go to WB for withdrawl of Mercs, with Tridents to PE & WN to eliminate there Mercs.

To National Express, Birmingham is there number one target, most visitors to Birmingham don't visit places like Cradley Heath & Ashmore Park, so give Birmingham the best new buses and the older ones (some on there last legs) to garages away from Birmingham.

[winston]

The PVR of the 82/87 is around 23/24. Only 18 Geminis were ordered for these routes in 2006

i have already confirmed no new deckers for WB at the minute.

i have a feeling these new enviros will go to PB, and WB will have the ALX400 to replace mercs.

That was my original thought. The only issue is, would WB then have a too large DD/SD ratio? Here's my wild idea...

20 x Enviro400s new to PB
20 x ALX400s PB to WB
12 x Mercs/B6s WB to withdrawn
8 x Geminis (the 54 plates) WB to WA
8 x Tridents WA to PN
8 x Mercs PN to withdrawn

Thereby further worsening the WB double-deck age profile...

It's not gonna get any better by the looks of it. @Winston I thought @wbdriver confirmed there were no new Enviro 400s any time soon, I didn't know he meant this year

@Sh4318 I take anytime soon to mean no double deckers due at WB from the current deliveries due. WB will have to have some new or newer cascaded deckers sooner rather than later. My money is on the Dudley Road being upgraded next year. The 8 x 54 plate Gemini could be moved back to AG with the rest of the batch but if only if replaced by something newer. There's no point swapping them for older Presidents or ALX 400's from PB as WB looses out.

[Stuharris 6360]

@Winston  But didn't AG loose out in the first place, loosing all there Geminis from the 11 to WB and getting Presidents instead?

[winston]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

@Winston  But didn't AG loose out in the first place, loosing all there Geminis from the 11 to WB and getting Presidents instead?

@Stuharris 6360 strictly speaking yes AG did loose out. But back then certain routes had to have Euro 3 buses, certain routes could do without them. The buses were therefore moved for operational reason / to comply with the City Centre emission requirements.

With all the new buses due over the next 18 months, there should be plenty to go around & allow newer cascades to be moved around those garages with routes which can't support brand new investment. Ultimately, NX will only allocate the brand new buses to the routes which will generate the most returns / growth or have competition.

[Sh4318]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it

[nitromatt1]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!

[winston]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it

@Sh4318 There's no harm in speculating where the deliveries might end up / what will be withdrawn, we just need to take in to account the bits info already confirmed.

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!

My thoughts exactly......

[Sh4318]

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

@Winston, I can take people's opinions, that's no problem, I actually enjoy these discussions, but there's a certain way to go about it

@Sh4318 There's no harm in speculating where the deliveries might end up / what will be withdrawn, we just need to take in to account the bits info already confirmed.

@Tony the whole reason I suggested that is because it means AG have all their 46**s back. But there's no point sharing my opinion sometimes...

@Sh4318 it's 2014 mate, unfortunately stating one's own opinion is no longer acceptable

Anyone can share their opinions, but they've also got to be prepared to listen / accept other people's as well.

Quite right, such a shame some people seem incapable of doing so!

My thoughts exactly......

Just to make it clear, I didn't have a problem with any of your comments @Winston. I agree with @Matt, as they say, treat others the way you expect to be treated. Now, back to the subject at hand.