Alexander Dennis Enviro400 Discussion

[Mike K]

I'm fairly sure BC will want to hold onto the 13 reg Enviro 400s - could be used on the 97 for a start, although are there enough.

The decisions aren't made at garage level but I would suspect new buses into BC will mean that some of the still large population of older Tridents will be displaced elsewhere. BC operates some of the busiest corridors in the region but with an ageing fleet of vehicles as the E400s don't often stray from Harborne and the Coventry Road routes.

[the trainbasher]

Possibly the 9 to get some

[karl724223]

The 9 might get some brand new buses

[monkeyjoe]

Been told via NXWM Head office after complaint that 94 is getting upgraded, weather that means cascaded or new buses was not clear.

[Stu]

Been told via NXWM Head office after complaint that 94 is getting upgraded, weather that means cascaded or new buses was not clear.

Will probably be cascades. Are Geminis the usual allocation now then? And if so, what's so wrong with them that people are complaining?

I wouldn't mind having a few more Geminis at Acocks Green, if only to get shot of a few more Presidents! (which are really starting to show their age)

[Trident 4194]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

[Trident 4194]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

So does the 74, but it got brand new Enviros, Presidents will be high on the list for withdrawl and will need replacing!

[Stu]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

The Presidents are only used on the 11 because it doesn't go into the city centre. 'Rough areas' can't be used as an excuse for not upgrading routes, look at the 74/75 which many people comment on being routes through 'rough areas'. How are the new buses doing on those routes so far? I think I saw one post here about seat handles being sawn through, so its not like they've all been trashed yet.

[Alex]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

[Stuharris 6360]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

[Trident 4194]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

The Presidents are only used on the 11 because it doesn't go into the city centre. 'Rough areas' can't be used as an excuse for not upgrading routes, look at the 74/75 which many people comment on being routes through 'rough areas'. How are the new buses doing on those routes so far? I think I saw one post here about seat handles being sawn through, so its not like they've all been trashed yet.

What about the 16!!

[Stu]

I would think the 9 will get brand new vehicles, and then the e400s which used to be on 9 can go on 141/241/140 and 246

If the 9 gets new vehicles, i would expect the Enviros to be transferred out to another garage and the Tridents be kept for the 140/1/241!

Why?

Being as the Enviros are still "relatively" new, would have thought they would replace older buses at another garage, eg: Presidents at AG for the 11? Do the 140/1/241 really need Enviro 400s?

Not really, maybe the 246 though. The 11 is just an unlucky route. It goes through rough areas so won't get respected well and the only route the presidents can go on.

Also there are far too few of them to replace the Presidents for the AG11 (Only 29 E400's to the PVR of 42 for the AG11)

Yes but aren't Geminis also used on the 11?

Yes, but Presidents are still the majority, also used on the 1, 73 and 966.