For those who want to know that the area maps that TfWM produce will be produced as follows.
Solihull & Walsall in December 2019
Sandwell/Dudley & Wolverhampton in January 2020 to coinside with the West Dudley Changes.
Birmingham & Coventry in April 2020
Although on the Network West Midlands website you will see that they have added an 27th Oct 19 editions of the Birmingham and Sandwell & Dudley Map & Guides. These will not be produced until the other dates which I mentioned above.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 30, 2019, 05:58:10 PM
For those who want to know that the area maps that TfWM produce will be produced as follows.
Solihull & Walsall in December 2019
Sandwell/Dudley & Wolverhampton in January 2020 to coinside with the West Dudley Changes.
Birmingham & Coventry in April 2020
Thanks for the info
@Bus Man K2. Issuing the maps to coincide with the changes makes good sense as opposed to sticking to particular times of year. In the past there have been occasions where maps have been obsolete by the time they've become available. I'm also hoping that the maps continue to be produced in printed form for a good while to come as they're really useful in my opinion.
How did you find out?
Quote from: WMT3000 on October 30, 2019, 06:30:31 PM
Thanks for the info @Bus Man K2. Issuing the maps to coincide with the changes makes good sense as opposed to sticking to particular times of year. In the past there have been occasions where maps have been obsolete by the time they've become available. I'm also hoping that the maps continue to be produced in printed form for a good while to come as they're really useful in my opinion.
That's ok. I think that the maps will continue to be produced much like the printed timetables will. Although I know some timetables have been discontinued, this being because they're either a tendered one partly between two councils and the one council say that they'll produce it but they never do. The other reason is that the times/route don't change it's just the operator that does, so there's no need to reissue it.
Quote from: Westy on October 30, 2019, 06:35:00 PM
How did you find out?
I am the person who puts lots of the mistakes right on the current maps and they ask me to look at them and give feedback.
Excellent news. Thanks for the update.
Hope you don't mind me pointing out all of the following in the Coventry map (online) in the hope that you'll have it sorted for the April update...
74 - not shown at Bulkington village & does not serve Paradise Way at Walsgrave Triangle.
78/78A - loop at Hawkesbury should be Anti-Clockwise.
42 - part of the route around Overslade Cres is served on outbound journey only, inbound journey variance isn't shown.
60/61 - routing is incorrect at Eastern Green.
61 - does not serve nor terminate at Allesley Park terminus
60/61 - does not run along the segment of Charter Avenue between Mitchell Ave and Sir Henry Parkes Rd.
580 - does not run along Quinton Rd and Daventry Rd, it runs along London Road (between Ring Road and Daventry Rd) instead & The occasional journeys do not run along Rowley Road in Baginton.
41 - route amended on 27/10/19 to serve eastern segment of Middle Ride.
21A - At Middlemarch Business Park I believe this also serves Siskin Parkway West and East (a loop), can anybody clarify?.
Thanks!
Quote from: JPC on October 30, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Hope you don't mind me pointing out all of the following in the Coventry map (online) in the hope that you'll have it sorted for the April update...
74 - not shown at Bulkington village & does not serve Paradise Way at Walsgrave Triangle.
78/78A - loop at Hawkesbury should be Anti-Clockwise.
42 - part of the route around Overslade Cres is served on outbound journey only, inbound journey variance isn't shown.
60/61 - routing is incorrect at Eastern Green.
61 - does not serve nor terminate at Allesley Park terminus
60/61 - does not run along the segment of Charter Avenue between Mitchell Ave and Sir Henry Parkes Rd.
580 - does not run along Quinton Rd and Daventry Rd, it runs along London Road (between Ring Road and Daventry Rd) instead & The occasional journeys do not run along Rowley Road in Baginton.
41 - route amended on 27/10/19 to serve eastern segment of Middle Ride.
21A - At Middlemarch Business Park I believe this also serves Siskin Parkway West and East (a loop), can anybody clarify?.
Thanks!
Hi JPC
Thank you for your imput. I Had picked up on some of the points that you make.
1. 61 doesn't serve the terminus at Allselley Park.
2. Routing of the 60/61 around Eastern Green.
Is the last point on the 60/61 where the 4a is mentioned?
I did pick up on one point that you haven't mentioned (not saying that you should have!). Some journeys on these routes operate up Keresley Green Road to the junction of Penny Park Lane but this isn't mentioned.
Could you please elaborate on the 42 journeys. What is currently wrong with this? As I thought both outbound and inbound do operate along Overslade Cres.
The other points I will check in against the printed timetable map. Not saying I don't trust you as I don't know the area that well but also don't know if you live in that area? I assume that you do though as you seam to know more detail than me if it's all correct!!!
Thanks again.
If anyone else has got miskates that thay want to point out on other area maps please share and I'll try to get them implemented. Not saying that they will be implemented for this round of amendments.
Couple of things.
Is the number 2 now correct on the Walsall map, as it now goes via the Pinfold & Blakenall, rather than Somerfield Road & Leamore Lane?
Why are the Dudley & Sandwell & the Coventry maps in slightly different formats to the other areas?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 30, 2019, 09:26:12 PM
Is the last point on the 60/61 where the 4a is mentioned?
I did pick up on one point that you haven't mentioned (not saying that you should have!). Some journeys on these routes operate up Keresley Green Road to the junction of Penny Park Lane but this isn't mentioned.
Could you please elaborate on the 42 journeys. What is currently rong with this? As I thought both outbound and inbound do operate along Overslade Cres.
Yes - that bit of Charter Ave which the 4A also goes along.
The 60/61 journeys operating via Keresley Green Rd and Penny Park Lane are numbered 60S and 61S, adding them to the map would just make it complicated.
The 42 towards Coventry journeys currently runs... Brownshill Green Rd, Norman Place Rd to Duncroft Avenue.
Will agree that it *should* follow the reverse of the outbound journey as the current arrangement just makes the service half useless for the residents in the Overslade Crescent area.
Here's one more for you... On Westwood Way the 60A and 61A needs deleting and the arrows for 60 and 61 should be in the opposite direction.
Quote from: Westy on October 30, 2019, 09:54:05 PM
Couple of things.
Is the number 2 now correct on the Walsall map, as it now goes via the Pinfold & Blakenall, rather than Somerfield Road & Leamore Lane?
Why are the Dudley & Sandwell & the Coventry maps in slightly different formats to the other areas?
Hi Westy
Thanks for the note on the 2 route in Walsall. I have now added this to the list.
To answer your question I don't know why the Dudley and Coventry maps are in a slightly different format.
Quote from: JPC on October 30, 2019, 10:02:35 PM
Yes - that bit of Charter Ave which the 4A also goes along.
The 60/61 journeys operating via Keresley Green Rd and Penny Park Lane are numbered 60S and 61S, adding them to the map would just make it complicated.
The 42 towards Coventry journeys currently runs... Brownshill Green Rd, Norman Place Rd to Duncroft Avenue.
Will agree that it *should* follow the reverse of the outbound journey as the current arrangement just makes the service half useless for the residents in the Overslade Crescent area.
Here's one more for you... On Westwood Way the 60A and 61A needs deleting and the arrows for 60 and 61 should be in the opposite direction.
Hi JPC the 60/61 journeys that operated up Keresley Green Rd were mentioned in previous editions of the map.
Thanks for the other points though. I will add them on my list of amendments.
Quote from: JPC on October 30, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Hope you don't mind me pointing out all of the following in the Coventry map (online) in the hope that you'll have it sorted for the April update...
74 - not shown at Bulkington village & does not serve Paradise Way at Walsgrave Triangle.
78/78A - loop at Hawkesbury should be Anti-Clockwise.
42 - part of the route around Overslade Cres is served on outbound journey only, inbound journey variance isn't shown.
60/61 - routing is incorrect at Eastern Green.
61 - does not serve nor terminate at Allesley Park terminus
60/61 - does not run along the segment of Charter Avenue between Mitchell Ave and Sir Henry Parkes Rd.
580 - does not run along Quinton Rd and Daventry Rd, it runs along London Road (between Ring Road and Daventry Rd) instead & The occasional journeys do not run along Rowley Road in Baginton.
41 - route amended on 27/10/19 to serve eastern segment of Middle Ride.
21A - At Middlemarch Business Park I believe this also serves Siskin Parkway West and East (a loop), can anybody clarify?.
Thanks!
Hi JPC
I have just checked the 60/61 Charter Ave issue against the operators website map and they have the 60 operating along Charter Ave and the 61 operating along the route that your saying it doesn't do. It is also mentioned on the map in the timetable doing that route so I'll double check with them.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 31, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
Hi JPC
I have just checked the 60/61 Charter Ave issue against the operators website map and they have the 60 operating along Charter Ave and the 61 operating along the route that your saying it doesn't do. It is also mentioned on the map in the timetable doing that route so I'll double check with them.
The 60 and 61 route map on the Traveline or Network West Midlands timetable websites are generally correct.
This has made me notice one more issue on the Coventry bus map, a most obvious one at that... At the University of Warwick all routes now run along Gibbet Hill Road only, they no longer run on/loop around University Road, a bus interchange is now located by the roundabout at the southern end of University Rd. N.B University Road has seemingly been renamed: Lord Bhattacharyya Way. And to add to that service U1 and limited number of U2 journeys now extends from the University of Warwick via Kirby Corner Road to Cannon Park Shopping Centre.
Hopefully I'll not find anything else now - Thanks!
Quote from: JPC on October 31, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
The 60 and 61 route map on the Traveline or Network West Midlands timetable websites are generally correct.
This has made me notice one more issue on the Coventry bus map, a most obvious one at that... At the University of Warwick all routes now run along Gibbet Hill Road only, they no longer run on/loop around University Road, a bus interchange is now located by the roundabout at the southern end of University Rd. N.B University Road has seemingly been renamed: Lord Bhattacharyya Way. And to add to that service U1 and limited number of U2 journeys now extends from the University of Warwick via Kirby Corner Road to Cannon Park Shopping Centre.
Hopefully I'll not find anything else now - Thanks!
Hi JPC I have already picked up on the U1/U2 journeys that go to Cannon Park.
I haven't checked Traveline's map for the 60/61. I only checked Travel De Courcey's website and the printed timetable that TfWM produce.
Aren't there some services that do the loop of the Uni at the Uni of Warwick?
An effort has been made to put routes outside West Midlands county that are geographically on the map.
It's a great pity there are so many mistakes on what will become an historical document for this set of service changes.
Other things of note:
U1 and U2 go via Kenilworth rather than A46
Route 6/A incorrectly shown at malfunction junction.
Quote from: JoNi on October 31, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
An effort has been made to put routes outside West Midlands county that are geographically on the map.
It's a great pity there are so many mistakes on what will become an historical document for this set of service changes.
Other things of note:
U1 and U2 go via Kenilworth rather than A46
Route 6/A incorrectly shown at malfunction junction.
Hi JoNi
Thanks for the info.
Where about is the malfunction junction?
I noticed the 55 routing at Fox and Goose isn't up to date, the current route from Fox and Goose is they serve Coleshill Road, Stechford Road and Hodge Hill Road. The map shows still shows the old route (Stechford Lane and Stechford Road).
The 48 is also incorrectly listed on Mindelsohn Way. Only the X22, 19 and 10S use Mindelsohn Way. On the online map on the NWM website.
The 99 is also listed on Sheldon Heath Road though that no longer exists.
X12/X70 are also listed on Nechells Parkway. Though they don't stop along Nechells Parkway, so surely shouldn't be listed, the route is also variable (some journeys will take that route, others don't and take other routes such as the Aston Expressway and Tyburn Road, its the non - stop section of the service)
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 31, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Hi JoNi
Thanks for the info.
Where about is the malfunction junction?
It's the junction of Tile Hill Lane and A45 Fletchamstead Highway by Sainsbury's superstore. It got the name from drivers as the traffic lights didn't work logically with each other.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 31, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
Aren't there some services that do the loop of the Uni at the Uni of Warwick?
DeCourcey's route 43W, what is essentially a works service and therefore not on the map is apparently the only service still using the University Road (both ways).
Quote from: JoNi on October 31, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
U1 and U2 go via Kenilworth rather than A46
Route 6/A incorrectly shown at malfunction junction.
U1 and U2 only runs through Kenilworth (non stop) when they divert due to traffic congestion.
As the 6/6A is now only using bus stops along Tile Hill Lane do we really need to map it going around the Malfunction Junction?.
Quote from: JPC on October 31, 2019, 09:18:26 PM
DeCourcey's route 43W, what is essentially a works service and therefore not on the map is apparently the only service still using the University Road (both ways).
U1 and U2 only runs through Kenilworth (non stop) when they divert due to traffic congestion.
As the 6/6A is now only using bus stops along Tile Hill Lane do we really need to map it going around the Malfunction Junction?.
Hi JPC I suppose it doesn't need to be shown. However if all the other major junctions are mentioned then it should be.
Quote from: 2206 on October 31, 2019, 08:45:35 PM
I noticed the 55 routing at Fox and Goose isn't up to date, the current route from Fox and Goose is they serve Coleshill Road, Stechford Road and Hodge Hill Road. The map shows still shows the old route (Stechford Lane and Stechford Road).
The 48 is also incorrectly listed on Mindelsohn Way. Only the X22, 19 and 10S use Mindelsohn Way. On the online map on the NWM website.
The 99 is also listed on Sheldon Heath Road though that no longer exists.
X12/X70 are also listed on Nechells Parkway. Though they don't stop along Nechells Parkway, so surely shouldn't be listed, the route is also variable (some journeys will take that route, others don't and take other routes such as the Aston Expressway and Tyburn Road, its the non - stop section of the service)
Hi 2206
Isn't the routing of the 55 temporary? if not I will get them to change it.
Thanks for pointing out the 48 is wrong around QEH.
With regards to the 99 if you look at the B'ham map dated the 27th Oct then that issues has already been amended.
As for the X12/X70 they should be mentioned on Nechells Parkway although they don't stop along there. In all honesty the X12 should also be shown on all the other diversionary routes that it takes as for the X70 I'm not sure on that route if it takes any other diversionary routes.
Hi Bus Man K2
One minor thing I would like to add. In Birmingham and Solihull, the 49 is no longer a high-frequency route. It was reduced from every 10 mins to every 15 mins a few years back.
Thanks.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on November 03, 2019, 09:36:54 PM
Hi Bus Man K2
One minor thing I would like to add. In Birmingham and Solihull, the 49 is no longer a frequency route. It was reduced from every 10 mins to every 15 mins a few years back.
Thanks.
Hi Justin
Thanks for this info.
Is this on the actual map or is it on the frequency guide? I assume it's on the actual map. I think if it is on the map it because there are other services that serve the part of the roads that the 49 serves. So the colour of the roads that the 49 serve can't be changed unless there is only that service serving it. If that's the case then I'll try and get it changed.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 04, 2019, 09:48:57 AM
Hi Justin
Thanks for this info.
Is this on the actual map or is it on the frequency guide? I assume it's on the actual map. I think if it is on the map it because there are other services that serve the part of the roads that the 49 serves. So the colour of the roads that the 49 serve can't be changed unless there is only that service serving it. If that's the case then I'll try and get it changed.
It is on the map. Some of the route is indeed covered by other services, only a small part is shared with a "high frequency" service. I appreciate that it may be a moot point whether some roads are "high frequency" roads. For example, I see that Lichfield Road between Sutton Coldfield town centre and Mere Green is not in "high frequency" colour. I would agree with this because while there are 7 buses per hour on this section, this is formed of three half-hourly services and one hourly service.
On this basis, on the 49 route, I would suggest that Danford Lane in Solihull and the Haslucks Green Rd/Newborough Road - Maypole section would justify a change of colour.
Also,
The 'high frequency' demarcation on the maps is something I like but once you start looking carefully there are numerous inaccuracies versus the 10 minutes or less definition such as Walmley Ash Road and Walmley Road being shown as a HF route from Minworth to Sutton.
I also think it was a backwards step to lose the frequency guide on the back of the most recent paper versions in favour of the overly simplistic day of the week a service operates tick.
Quote from: Busmapper on November 07, 2019, 11:22:21 PM
The 'high frequency' demarcation on the maps is something I like but once you start looking carefully there are numerous inaccuracies versus the 10 minutes or less definition such as Walmley Ash Road and Walmley Road being shown as a HF route from Minworth to Sutton.
I also think it was a backwards step to lose the frequency guide on the back of the most recent paper versions in favour of the overly simplistic day of the week a service operates tick.
Hi Busmapper
I will look at all the 'higher frequncey' service roads on the next re-printed of the area maps as this will tack longer that I have got this time around.
With regards to the tick aspect on the Frequency guide I will ask if it's possible to have the 'higher frequency routes' re added to the list in respect to 10 mins or less. With the others being as they are now. This is only as they are looking for other ways to show how frequent services are and also what days those services operate on. If possible for the routes that operate up to 15 mins I will see if it's possible to have both the tick show and the frequency. That will only then leave the services that operate half hourly and hourly. Which I think is better to just have a tick by the days of operation.
Thank you for your input.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Justin Tyme on November 05, 2019, 09:09:39 PM
It is on the map. Some of the route is indeed covered by other services, only a small part is shared with a "high frequency" service. I appreciate that it may be a moot point whether some roads are "high frequency" roads. For example, I see that Lichfield Road between Sutton Coldfield town centre and Mere Green is not in "high frequency" colour. I would agree with this because while there are 7 buses per hour on this section, this is formed of three half-hourly services and one hourly service.
On this basis, on the 49 route, I would suggest that Danford Lane in Solihull and the Haslucks Green Rd/Newborough Road - Maypole section would justify a change of colour.
Also,
Hi Justin
I will see if they agree with your suggestion. I do agree, but it's up to them how thay show stuff like that.
Also, as I said to Busmapper it will take me longer than I have to look through all the 'higher frequency' routes. So this may take until the next reprint or may be the one offer. It's a very hard job to do. I only do this as they know I'll put miskates wrong that they have overlooked.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Cov map now in Walsall.
Quote from: Westy on November 08, 2019, 06:29:27 PM
Cov map now in Walsall.
That w would probably be the 22 Sept 19 edition and not the one that we'll be working on. We'll be producing the latest edition in April 2020.
All of these comments have now been added to the changes list for the next reprint of each map.
Thanks to all who contributed.
I now can confirm that the Maps should be reprinted around the time of any major changes.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Would you have anything to do with the timetable leaflets as well?
If so, the Walsall 19 / 29 leaflet hasn't been updated to account for Nx taking over all the 19 since Igo went bump!
Quote from: Westy on November 15, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Would you have anything to do with the timetable leaflets as well?
If so, the Walsall 19 / 29 leaflet hasn't been updated to account for Nx taking over all the 19 since Igo went bump!
Hi Westy
I do also help out with the timetables.
The reason being for them not producing the timetables for the Igo issue as the timetables didn't change that much. Also the cost of all the changes to timetable and maps is put back on the taxpayer.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Another question.
What is the official reason for only certain services appearing on a leaflet?
We had to wait for the joint service before we saw the Diamond journeys on the Walsall to Bloxwich leaflet & until Thandi took over the 37 daytime journeys, their journeys never appeared on the Darlaston leaflet.
We never saw the Diamond 29 journeys on the Nwm leaflet either!
No wonder some services don't last long, when they don't go on the leaflet!
Also when will we see rebranded WMN timetable leaflets start to appear?
Quote from: Westy on November 15, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
Another question.
What is the official reason for only certain services appearing on a leaflet?
We had to wait for the joint service before we saw the Diamond journeys on the Walsall to Bloxwich leaflet & until Thandi took over the 37 daytime journeys, their journeys never appeared on the Darlaston leaflet.
We never saw the Diamond 29 journeys on the Nwm leaflet either!
No wonder some services don't last long, when they don't go on the leaflet!
Also when will we see rebranded WMN timetable leaflets start to appear?
The official reason for only some timetables having one operator on them instead of two is because the other operate doesn't pay into the WMN scheme to be mentioned on it. Every time the timetable is reissued they are asked and then if they say yes they will be added. I know that probably sounds rubbish but that's the reason. So it's basically down to the operator. Also if they produce their own edition then that whay the WMN edition stops.
I don't know when the timetables will be showing WMN instead of NMW. Sorry.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 15, 2019, 07:04:33 PM
The official reason for only some timetables having one operator on them instead of two is because the other operate doesn't pay into the WMN scheme to be mentioned on it. Every time the timetable is reissued they are asked and then if they say yes they will be added. I know that probably sounds rubbish but that's the reason. So it's basically down to the operator. Also if they produce their own edition then that whay the WMN edition stops.
I don't know when the timetables will be showing WMN instead of NMW. Sorry.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Ok fair enough, but Diamond for example, despite being told on here on a few occasions, never sent any of their own timetables over to Walsall, when they ran separate journeys on the 301 & 302 & 29.
I believe Arriva had an agreement to supply their own leaflets to NWM at one point, in place of the NWM versions, but, again told on several occasions, they failed to do so. It's only since Simon took over, that this situation has got better!
As for Thandi, unless you go on NWM's site, god knows!
I do hope that you are now involved, things continue to improve.
Quote from: Westy on November 16, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
OK fair enough, but Diamond for example, despite being told on here on a few occasions, never sent any of their own timetables over to Walsall, when they ran separate journeys on the 301 & 302 & 29.
I believe Arriva had an agreement to supply their own leaflets to NWM at one point, in place of the NWM versions, but, again told on several occasions, they failed to do so. It's only since Simon took over, that this situation has got better!
As for Thandi, unless you go on NWM's site, god knows!
I do hope that you are now involved, things continue to improve.
As I said if the operator produces a timetable for their own services then they should send it to the Travelshops. As for Diamond they are somewhat silly as they don't always pay into the NWM scheme so they aren't mentioned on some timetables, also they probably didn't produce a separate timetable for the 301/302 or 29.
As for Thandi they are a small company how can't even be bothered to email people back if people email them. I've had the problem with trying to contact them - with no reply. They can't even be bothered with answering question on here as they aren't on this forum according to Tony.
Bus Man K2
Wish you the best of luck mate!
New Solihull Map now available at NWM.com. The others will be available in January.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 18, 2019, 05:17:12 PM
New Solihull Map now available at NWM.com. The others will be available in January.
Thanks for the alert :)
Here's one more issue on the Coventry map...
The 88/88A in Balsall Common needs extended along Station Rd and Hallmeadow Rd to it's current terminus location.
Quote from: JPC on November 18, 2019, 06:54:52 PM
Thanks for the alert :)
Here's one more issue on the Coventry map...
The 88/88A in Balsall Common needs extended along Station Rd and Hallmeadow Rd to it's current terminus location.
Hi JPC
I have already brought that one to their attention. This should be shown on the new edition which is due in April.
Thanks anyway.
Bus Man K2
1st Dec 2019 edition of Solihull area map available at Stourbridge Bus staton now.
I'm thinking, on Birmingham, Walsall, Wolverhampton maps, whether to colour code the operator such as NEWM routes would be red, Diamond, navy blue, Arriva light blue, Stagecoach maybe orange, other operators grey, like County Durham do on there map, or would that be too much of a mess?
http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durhamPT/images/Durham%20County%20Map.pdf
Quote from: Crosville on December 08, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
I'm thinking, on Birmingham, Walsall, Wolverhampton maps, whether to colour code the operator such as NEWM routes would be red, Diamond, navy blue, Arriva light blue, Stagecoach maybe orange, other operators grey, like County Durham do on there map, or would that be too much of a mess?
http://www.cartogold.co.uk/durhamPT/images/Durham%20County%20Map.pdf
No it they wouldn't look a mess, but it would cost the tax payers a lot of money. I know S&D and Cov have been colour coded, but the operator wanted those to be colour coded. Also Cov one works as NXC want to keep there network separate to the other areas.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 08:49:06 AM
No it they wouldn't look a mess, but it would cost the tax payers a lot of money. I know S&D and Cov have been colour coded, but the operator wanted those to be colour coded. Also Cov one works as NXC want to keep there network separate to the other areas.
Fair enough, was just an idea. :)
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 08:49:06 AM
No it they wouldn't look a mess, but it would cost the tax payers a lot of money. I know S&D and Cov have been colour coded, but the operator wanted those to be colour coded. Also Cov one works as NXC want to keep there network separate to the other areas.
If colour coding works so well, explain why are NX taking the branding off their buses in Coventry unlike other urban areas that continue to successfully use the route colour coding policy!
Quote from: JoNi on December 08, 2019, 11:00:59 AM
If colour coding works so well, explain why are NX taking the branding off their buses in Coventry unlike other urban areas that continue to successfully use the route colour coding policy!
It could very well be because they are thinking of rebranding that service, or it could be just that their running out of buses so by Debrading buses it's adding capacity to the unbranded routes.either of those options are a psooiblity. Or last one could be their finding it more and more difficult to brand routes as there are only so many colours in the rainbow so to speak!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 08, 2019, 11:08:05 AM
It could very well be because they are thinking of rebranding that service, or it could be just that their running out of buses so by Debrading buses it's adding capacity to the unbranded routes.either of those options are a psooiblity. Or last one could be their finding it more and more difficult to brand routes as there are only so many colours in the rainbow so to speak!!
There are easily a sufficient number of colours for a small city like Coventry. Judging by the fact incorrectly branded buses have been put out today it can be a lack of vehicles. Look at Bustimes and you will see 20 branded 2166 on 16 today! Mind you it isn't correctly branded on the system. I'm often left wondering is there anything requiring attention to detail relating to NX that can be done properly!!
Quote from: JoNi on December 08, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
There are easily a sufficient number of colours for a small city like Coventry. Judging by the fact incorrectly branded buses have been put out today it can be a lack of vehicles. Look at Bustimes and you will see 20 branded 2166 on 16 today! Mind you it isn't correctly branded on the system. I'm often left wondering is there anything requiring attention to detail relating to NX that can be done properly!!
For Coventry yes I agree there's enough colours for branding buses but look at the other areas how cluttered are they with different colours.
Yes a friend burst out laughing when I showed him the TfWM bus route diagram colour coded by departure hub not by route. When I went to a hub it only has details for that hub. It's been a long time since I caught a bus in Birmingham!
Quote from: JoNi on December 08, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
Yes a friend burst out laughing when I showed him the TfWM bus route diagram colour coded by departure hub not by route. When I went to a hub it only has details for that hub. It's been a long time since I caught a bus in Birmingham!
Colour coding does work but only in smaller area ie Coventry being one of them. I think Walsall and Wolverhampton would also work.
Hello
@Bus Man K2The WMNetwork website has recently updated with supposedly new versions of the Birmingham and Coventry area maps (https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/) which are dated 23/24 Dec 2019,
But the Coventry map is completely wrong as it is showing NXC routes as they were prior to the review in September as well as virtually all of the errors I commented about a few weeks ago.
I thought the next issue of the Cov map wasn't due until March? - in any case it is probably best if the website reverts back to the September version for the time being.
Quote from: JPC on December 27, 2019, 07:55:32 PM
Hello @Bus Man K2
The WMNetwork website has recently updated with supposedly new versions of the Birmingham and Coventry area maps (https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/) which are dated 23/24 Dec 2019,
But the Coventry map is completely wrong as it is showing NXC routes as they were prior to the review in September as well as virtually all of the errors I commented about a few weeks ago.
I thought the next issue of the Cov map wasn't due until March? - in any case it is probably best if the website reverts back to the September version for the time being.
Hi
@JPC Thanks for the heads up. I will contact the person who I work with sometime in the next week and ask why the Cov and Birmingham map has been update from 23/24 Dec. I will also ask why the Cov map has been reverted back to pre September 19.
I was under the impression that the Cov and Birmingham maps would be changed/updated in April and the changes mentioned on this forum and the ones I picked up would be added.
Was there any changes added to either maps, other that the revert to pre Sept map?
Regards
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 27, 2019, 08:41:54 PM
Hi @JPC
Thanks for the heads up. I will contact the person who I work with sometime in the next week and ask why the Cov and Birmingham map has been update from 23/24 Dec. I will also ask why the Cov map has been reverted back to pre September 19.
I was under the impression that the Cov and Birmingham maps would be changed/updated in April and the changes mentioned on this forum and the ones I picked up would be added.
Was there any changes added to either maps, other that the revert to pre Sept map?
The online Cov map has the 5/1/2020 alteration to the 87 and 88 routes plus new variant 87A added, The online Solihull map also seems to be have been updated with this (URL date is 24 Dec).
Maybe it's the printed version of the map which isn't due to be issued until March/April, the online version might be updated more frequently?.
Obviously in their attempt to update the online Cov map they've worked on an older version of the map instead of the last update. ::)
Thinking whether the reverse side of the maps should be PDFed as well, with route listings & frequencies which did happen briefly a couple of years ago, i know routes change all the time but they give idea of the frequencies ecc?
I know West Yorkshire Metro do this with there online bus maps.
Quote from: Crosville on December 28, 2019, 01:26:49 PM
Thinking whether the reverse side of the maps should be PDFed as well, with route listings & frequencies which did happen briefly a couple of years ago, i know routes change all the time but they give idea of the frequencies ecc?
I know West Yorkshire Metro do this with there online bus maps.
Hi
@Crosville when I'm next in at their offices I'll ask if it's possible for the other side of each area map could be added as a PDF to the website. I will also try to get them to re add the correct Coventry map with the Sep changes added to it.
For everyone who noticed the Coventry area map on the West Midlands Network site being wrong except for the changes from January, this includes you
@Crosville. The Coventry map should be updated, by the end of today to what it was after Sept 22nd also with the Jan changes added. Thanks to
@Crosville for pointing this out. :D
Bus Man K2
Cheers
@Bus Man K2, on some maps especially the Birmingham &, Sandwell & Dudley area maps, there's a few duplicate numbers, like Birmingham there's a couple of 5s, 6s & so on, so it can be handy to pdf the reverse side.
Just thought the Cov map will now probably be updated onto the website either tomorrow or when TfWM do their data reset on Thursday. So for now there won't be any Cov map available on the website.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 30, 2019, 07:32:23 PM
Just thought the Cov map will now probably be updated onto the website either tomorrow or when TfWM do their data reset on Thursday. So for now there won't be any Cov map available on the website.
Cov map now available to see on WMN website if needed. Yes I also know there are still mistakes on it. The new one (with my maendments on it) won't be added umtil April.
Hi all
The new edition of the Wolverhampton CC Map and Guide is available here
wolverhampton-city-centre-20200202.pdf
The Sandwell and Dudley Area Map and Guide and the Wolverhampton Area Map and Guides are also available.
jan20-dudley_and_sandwell_mg_web.pdf
jan20-wolverhampton_area_map_web.pdf
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2020, 05:06:06 PM
Hi all
The new edition of the Wolverhampton CC Map and Guide is available here
wolverhampton-city-centre-20200202.pdf
The Sandwell and Dudley Area Map and Guide and the Wolverhampton Area Map and Guides are also available.
jan20-dudley_and_sandwell_mg_web.pdf
jan20-wolverhampton_area_map_web.pdf
Can you provide the full links please?
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
Can you provide the full links please?
Hi
@Stu these are the full links. Unless you can get them as I have only managed to copy them from downloading the file on my phone. This may be why they aren't a proper link.
Sorry
@Stu. My phone doesn't allow me to copy the link nore does my Ipad.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
Hi @Stu these are the full links. Unless you can get them as I have only managed to copy them from downloading the file on my phone. This may be why they aren't a proper link.
See: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/
The link that you have just posted
@Stu is just to the main area map page. I was trying to do the separate links so people would bypass the main page and go straight to the map that thry want to look at.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
The link that you have just posted @Stu is just to the main area map page. I was trying to do the separate links so people would bypass the main page and go straight to the map that thry want to look at.
Why bypass the main page? It is much easier to just provide a link to the Maps page on the Network West Midlands website, and all the links to the various maps are there in one place.
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2020, 06:15:55 PM
Why bypass the main page? It is much easier to just provide a link to the Maps page on the Network West Midlands website, and all the links to the various maps are there in one place.
Because some people may just want to look at the one area map and not go to the map page. I see where you're coming from, however I still think having the link to the actual map.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2020, 06:23:43 PM
Because some people may just want to look at the one area map and not go to the map page. I see where you're coming from, however I still think having the link to the actual map.
The link to the main maps page will remain a 'constant'. Providing direct links to the map PDF files is okay, until the maps change and so do their filenames, then the direct links will no longer work.
Anyway, just for you, here are the direct links to the PDF files from the NWM Maps page:
The new edition of the Wolverhampton CC Map and Guide is available here
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3264/wolverhampton-city-centre-20200202.pdf
The Sandwell and Dudley Area Map and Guide and the Wolverhampton Area Map and Guides are also available.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3261/jan20-dudley_and_sandwell_mg_web.pdf
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3262/jan20-wolverhampton_area_map_web.pdf
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2020, 07:16:09 PM
The link to the main maps page will remain a 'constant'. Providing direct links to the map PDF files is okay, until the maps change and so do their filenames, then the direct links will no longer work.
Anyway, just for you, here are the direct links to the PDF files from the NWM Maps page:
The new edition of the Wolverhampton CC Map and Guide is available here
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3264/wolverhampton-city-centre-20200202.pdf
The Sandwell and Dudley Area Map and Guide and the Wolverhampton Area Map and Guides are also available.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3261/jan20-dudley_and_sandwell_mg_web.pdf
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3262/jan20-wolverhampton_area_map_web.pdf
I grant you
@Stu that evey time the map are updated the file links would be copied onto this page and the old ones deleted of the page. I'm just thinking of all the other people who are on this stie and also who just view the posts but don't coment as they aren't a member of this group
I'm sticking up for thoes people. I know that some of them would just go onto the main page and look at it that way but I'm just giving them another way of looking at them.
Hi all
Here are all the new links to the area maps and City Centre guides for the west midlands .
Here's the 24 Dec 19 web link for the Birmingham Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3218/birmingham_mg_web-24-dec.pdf
Here's the 2 Feb 20 web link for the Birmingham City Centre Map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3265/birmingham-city-centre-27-01.pdf
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Covnetry Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3268/coventry_area_map_300120-web.pdf
More to come in next post.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 01, 2020, 11:03:06 AM
Hi all
Here are all the new links to the area maps and City Centre guides for the west midlands .
Here's the 24 Dec 19 web link for the Birmingham Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3218/birmingham_mg_web-24-dec.pdf
Here's the 2 Feb 20 web link for the Birmingham City Centre Map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3265/birmingham-city-centre-27-01.pdf
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Coventry Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3268/coventry_area_map_300120-web.pdf
More to come in next post.
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Coventry City Centre Map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3259/coventry-city-centrewebsitev1.pdf
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Sandwell & Dudley Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3261/jan20-dudley_and_sandwell_mg_web.pdf
Here's the 24 Dec 19 web link for the Solihull Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3219/solihull_mg_web-24-dec.pdf
Here's the 15 May 19 web link for the Walsall Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/2848/walsall_area_map_web.pdf
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Wolverhampton Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3262/jan20-wolverhampton_area_map_web.pdf
Here's the 2 Feb 20 web link for the Wolverhampton City Centre Map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3278/wolverhampton-city-centre-20200202-website.pdf
Could I ask if anybody spots any mistakes could you please post below?
Thank you
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 01, 2020, 11:03:06 AM
Hi all
Here are all the new links to the area maps and City Centre guides for the west midlands .
Here's the 24 Dec 19 web link for the Birmingham Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3218/birmingham_mg_web-24-dec.pdf
Here's the 2 Feb 20 web link for the Birmingham City Centre Map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3265/birmingham-city-centre-27-01.pdf
Here's the 26 Jan 20 web link for the Covnetry Area map.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3268/coventry_area_map_300120-web.pdf
More to come in next post.
On the Birmingham area map, you have graphical glitches in the Terminating box for Solihull. The ♦ is displaying as a t. This error was on the previous Solihull map as well, but it appears fixed for the latest one.
EDIT: there may be more of these glitches. Another one I just noticed is on the 937A on Portland Road, Aldridge.
On the Birmingham City Centre map, the road that turns right from Digbeth onto Moat Lane is still closed and barricaded off.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 01, 2020, 12:54:52 PM
On the Birmingham City Centre map, the road that turns right from Digbeth onto Moat Lane is still closed and barricaded off.
Hi
@ellspurs thanks for this. I'll pass this onto them. I also don't think there's any services that do this section of Bradford St and Moat Lane/Digbeth. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 01, 2020, 12:49:07 PM
On the Birmingham area map, you have graphical glitches in the Terminating box for Solihull. The ♦ is displaying as a t. This error was on the previous Solihull map as well, but it appears fixed for the latest one.
EDIT: there may be more of these glitches. Another one I just noticed is on the 937A on Portland Road, Aldridge.
Hi
@ellspurs thanks for this. I'll pass this on also.
Just to let everone know that the New Coventry Cc Map 26 Jan 20, Sandwell/Dudley Area map 2/2/20, Wolverhampon cc and Area maps 2/2/20 are now available at travelshops near you.
Others to follow in April/May time.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 18, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Just to let everone know that the New Coventry Cc Map 26 Jan 20, Sandwell/Dudley Area map 2/2/20, Wolverhampon cc and Area maps 2/2/20 are now available at travelshops near you.
Others to follow in April/May time.
And a slight error on the map. It shows the 50 (Wednesfield-Wolverhampton) as going to the top of Hyde Rd then going onto Moathouse Lane and following the road around, when it actually turns off slightly before and serves Wright Avenue. It also shows the short section of Lichfield Rd between Peacock Avenue and New Invention in dark blue, when it's less frequent than every 10 along that bit.
Quote from: Nathan on February 18, 2020, 12:15:47 PM
And a slight error on the map. It shows the 50 (Wednesfield-Wolverhampton) as going to the top of Hyde Rd then going onto Moathouse Lane and following the road around, when it actually turns off slightly before and serves Wright Avenue. It also shows the short section of Lichfield Rd between Peacock Avenue and New Invention in dark blue, when it's less frequent than every 10 along that bit.
Thanks for that Nathen I'll bring that to their attention
Quote from: Nathan on February 18, 2020, 12:15:47 PM
And a slight error on the map. It shows the 50 (Wednesfield-Wolverhampton) as going to the top of Hyde Rd then going onto Moathouse Lane and following the road around, when it actually turns off slightly before and serves Wright Avenue. It also shows the short section of Lichfield Rd between Peacock Avenue and New Invention in dark blue, when it's less frequent than every 10 along that bit.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 18, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
Thanks for that Nathen I'll bring that to their attention
I have just looked over the timetables for the routes that run along Lichfield Rd between Peacock Ave and New Invention. The timetables states that between Peacock Ave and Coppice Farm Way the frequency is roughly 10 mins then between Coppice Farm Way and Essington Rd the frequency is 20 mins. Then between Essington Rd and New invention it's again roughly every 10 mins. So I think between the following road it should be as follows. What do you think/everyone else on here think?
Between Peacock Ave and Coppice Farm Way stays dark blue.
Between Coppice Farm Way & Essington Rd changed to light blue.
Lastly
Between Essington Rd and New Invention stays dark blue.
regards
Slight error on the Sandwell and Dudley map, the Dudley inset shows the 8 going both it's current route and still out towards Wrens Nest
Quote from: Kevin on February 21, 2020, 11:03:44 AM
Slight error on the Sandwell and Dudley map, the Dudley inset shows the 8 going both it's current route and still out towards Wrens Nest
Hi Kevin
I had already picked up on this mistake, which should be rectified when the next new edition is produced.
One small error on the Sandwell and Dudley map. It shows the 15 and 16 as both going around Wombourne Green. The 15 doesn't go around the Green as it turns right into Planks Lane just before.
Quote from: Roy on February 21, 2020, 01:19:01 PM
One small error on the Sandwell and Dudley map. It shows the 15 and 16 as both going around Wombourne Green. The 15 doesn't go around the Green as it turns right into Planks Lane just before.
Again thanks Roy. However I had pick yp that mistake as well.
Hi
Just to let everybody know that the new Birmingham area map and guides will be added to the WMN website by next Thursday.
In the mean time see attachment
See attachment
Quote from: mesub on March 05, 2020, 07:26:47 PM
There's nothing attached...
I know I've contacted Tech support to help.
Any ideas when the new Walsall map will be added to the NWM website.
The one on the NWM still shows the Arriva 2 operating the old route towards Bloxwich
Quote from: sonic84 on March 13, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Any ideas when the new Walsall map will be added to the NWM website.
The one on the NWM still shows the Arriva 2 operating the old route towards Bloxwich
The new Walsall Area map should be added by the end of April. They aren't reprinting it just for the 2 amendment and 8 Wolverhampton extention.
Just a quick note to say the Birmimgham Area Map and BIrmingham City Centre Centre map dated 15th zmarch 2020 is now available on this link below.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 14, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
Just a quick note to say the Birmimgham Area Map and BIrmingham City Centre Centre map dated 15th zmarch 2020 is now available on this link below.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/
53 runs along Alum Rock Road, Cotterills Lane and Belchers Lane.
The map actually shows it as taking both of the previous two routes.
Bowyer Road/College Road and Adderley Road/Ash Road - both routes are no longer served. The Bordesley Green area is no longer served by this service either.
25 does not go down Brockhurst Road and Madison Road.
The 28 doesn't terminate where the 73 and 36 do either as the map suggests it does. Continues down to Little Bromwich Road.
Shouldn't Icknield Port Road and Ladywood Middleway be dark blue as well, as thought the 80/80A combine to every 10 minutes.
While the part of Stechford Road only served by Claribels peak time only 55 should be light blue.
How can a map that's supposed to show all these routes have so many errors? I'm not criticising anyone I'm just baffled.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 14, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
How can a map that's supposed to show all these routes have so many errors? I'm not criticising anyone I'm just baffled.
How many mistakes do you make in anything you do?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 14, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
Just a quick note to say the Birmimgham Area Map and BIrmingham City Centre Centre map dated 15th zmarch 2020 is now available on this link below.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/map-and-guides/area-maps/
For the City Centre guide, service 25 will serve stops MS3, BS5 and SH1 between Moor Street and Colmore Row instead of the current MS and SH stops. Other City stops are the same.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
How many mistakes do you make in anything you do?
One would persumb that is of course the mission statement of West Midlands Travel Limited and the operation of the X8 isnt it
@Tony ? With the Mayor Elections suspended for 12 months its really great to be back on your excellent forum. We are very lucky in the West Midlands that the Mayor, the WMCA & Transport for West Midlands continue to support the provision of free maps and timetables in paper form and other media for the vast majority of bus services within the West Midlands County for the benefit of all I doubt whether the PLC owned bus companies with the exception of smaller AIM listed companies would provide adequate provision today.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
How many mistakes do you make in anything you do?
I don't know either. I'm only the person who puts them right. I'm not the one making them.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 14, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
How can a map that's supposed to show all these routes have so many errors? I'm not criticising anyone I'm just baffled.
I know, I don't know how some if these mistake aren't picked up before the maps are sent to print. I blame operaors that keep on changing routes for no need at all.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 14, 2020, 12:45:45 PM
I blame operaors that keep on changing routes for no need at all.
They do have a reason or they wouldn't do it
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2020, 12:49:12 PM
They do have a reason or they wouldn't do it
When they do consultations then never seem to listern to people, though. I did the last one of the NX consutaions and they didn't listen to me. So why bother taking part if they just go on and change them. I though operators are supposed to listern to their customers and not jst ignore them. I persnioally think they just do it for the sake of it and don't care about passenger or people who may have to pay twice.
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2020, 12:49:12 PM
They do have a reason or they wouldn't do it
From the meetings I attend at WMCA I can assure you West Midlands Travel Limited do not take any notice what so ever of the contribution received from the public in thier so called public consultations all decisions are made from a purely commercial decision making process thankfully The Buses Act will allow in the long term the WMCA to tailor services to actual passengers needs thru the EPs & QEPs thus taking it out of the hands of a commercial bus operator who is only interested in the dividends of its shareholders.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on March 14, 2020, 01:03:29 PM
From the meetings I attend at WMCA I can assure you West Midlands Travel Limited do not take any notice what so ever of the contribution received from the public in thier so called public consultations
Well that must be one of those grossly inaccurate statements we've come to expect from amateur public transport advisors to politicians. If this is repeated across all subject areas, no wonder the current crop of politicians appear so out of touch with reality.
Proof of NX not listerning to passengers.
A news paper article.
Having trouble attaching file.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 15, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
Proof of NX not listerning to passengers.
A news paper article.
Having trouble attaching file.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AmRCStjKaIx7tgeghRFNUfnLJNfE
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 15, 2020, 02:23:27 PM
If the link is cutting people off surely WMCA would say something or pay NX run down that part of the estate. Not every road can be served by a bus....
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 15, 2020, 02:03:36 PM
Proof of NX not listerning to passengers.
A news paper article.
Having trouble attaching file.
Someone mentioned this about a month ago. It's mostly elderly people who are complaining. Ring and Ride is a thing which is more convenient than a bus.
If it was the no. 8 that has been changed, surely that was Mr Jones' fault, not NXWM's.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 15, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
If the link is cutting people off surely WMCA would say something or pay NX run down that part of the estate. Not every road can be served by a bus....
Maybe if NX hadn't of changed the route in the first place then no one would be complaining. They all have the right to complain if they can't contact R&R or walk to far.
Quote from: ellspurs on March 15, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
If it was the no. 8 that has been changed, surely that was Mr Jones' fault, not NXWM's.
Not supprising your stating it's Mr Jone's fault. I doubt it though as he wouldn't wish for someone else to mone. I also highly doubt he would agree for the X8 to interwork with the 8. When there's lots going on in Brum and no doubt with the dealys it is having that it's having a nock on effect on the 8.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 15, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
Someone mentioned this about a month ago. It's mostly elderly people who are complaining. Ring and Ride is a thing which is more convenient than a bus.
You can't say that as I used to use the 8 up to that estate and now I have to get two buses. Also I am not an elderly person and I'm moaning about the same thing that they are.
Can we now just get back to the main reason why I started this topic. It was started to help me and WMCA correct all the mistakes on the area maps.
@Bus Man K2 the current Solihull map that is up still has glitches in the "terminating services" box for Solihull town centre.
Quote from: ellspurs on May 04, 2020, 05:41:23 PM
@Bus Man K2 the current Solihull map that is up still has glitches in the "terminating services" box for Solihull town centre.
I think the corrections to this will be done at the next reprint so won't be corrected until after Summer. As NX are looking at changes to service after summer. Before anyone asks I don't know what they will be or whether it will effect any maps at all except for the X15. .
@Bus Man K2 Is there a reason why service 94 has been completely removed from the Birmingham and Solihull area maps that are on display currently?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3509/birmingham_area_map_web.pdf
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3511/solihull_area_map_web.pdf
Even the roads that only that service uses have been decoloured.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 04, 2020, 05:19:10 PM
@Bus Man K2
Is there a reason why service 94 has been completely removed from the Birmingham and Solihull area maps that are on display currently?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3509/birmingham_area_map_web.pdf
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3511/solihull_area_map_web.pdf
Even the roads that only that service uses have been decoloured.
28A (Ward End to Small Heath) has also gone as well for some reason.
I can also see they still haven't got the 53 route right in the Alum Rock and Stechford areas and 49 is still shown on Lode Lane.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 04, 2020, 05:19:10 PM
@Bus Man K2
Is there a reason why service 94 has been completely removed from the Birmingham and Solihull area maps that are on display currently?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3509/birmingham_area_map_web.pdf
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/3511/solihull_area_map_web.pdf
Even the roads that only that service uses have been decoloured.
Hi
@ellspurs &
@2206Thanks for bringing these mistakes to my attenrion. I will add them to my lists for thoes two areas.
To answer your question I do not know why the 94 or 28A has been totally taken off the maps.
The only thing I can think of why the 28A isn't show is because the service has been suspended or fully withdrawn by the operator.
The 94 is just a mistory to me though!
I have already got the 49 on lode Lane to be hot rid of.
I would guess that the maps will be produced in Oct to co-inside with the Tender Changes as wellas any other changes.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on September 05, 2020, 08:51:53 AM
The only thing I can think of why the 28A isn't show is because the service has been suspended or fully withdrawn by the operator.
No it hasn't be withdrawn or suspended.
I saw the red Omnicity used on there, parked on the 55/94 stop towards City Centre at Fox & Goose on Thursday afternoon.
Quote from: 2206 on September 05, 2020, 09:32:01 AM
No it hasn't be withdrawn or suspended.
I saw the red Omnicity used on there, parked on the 55/94 stop towards City Centre at Fox & Goose on Thursday afternoon.
Ok May be it hasn't been withdrawn or temp suspended. It might just be an error. I'll add it to the list for Birmimgham and Solihull.
Hi all
Any amendments for any of the areas maps apart from what's already been mentioned? if so please state as WMN are looking at the maps.
P. S the maps will not be printed though. They will only appear updated on web.
Thanks
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 20, 2020, 10:03:55 AM
Hi all
Any amendments for any of the areas maps apart from what's already been mentioned? if so please state as WMN are looking at the maps.
P. S the maps will not be printed though. They will only appear updated on web.
Thanks
Bus Man K2
Are they ever going to be printed again or has some higher power deemed that to be not useful anymore?
Quote from: Kevin on October 20, 2020, 11:41:19 AM
Are they ever going to be printed again or has some higher power deemed that to be not useful anymore?
Hi
@Kevin Yes they will be produced/printed. Just at the moment because of all the ahort notice change due to the pandemic. TfWM deam it not viable to produce any printed information as there's a chance the documents would bw out of date with in a week or so of them being produced/printed. once there is a definitive chance of the network getting back to 'normality' then the only things that are being produced through NX are timetables. Obviously the timetables that are being produced are only for NX services. You got to remember that all TfWM's do is use public money to produce stuff. so just think when there's several changes wether minor or major during this time the only timetable available will be NX editions No TfWM productions.
I hope I've made clear why TfWM aren't producing anything.
Let me know if you don't understand.
Regards
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 20, 2020, 10:03:55 AM
Hi all
Any amendments for any of the areas maps apart from what's already been mentioned? if so please state as WMN are looking at the maps.
P. S the maps will not be printed though. They will only appear updated on web.
Thanks
Bus Man K2
Have they got the route extension of the A10 through to Chelmsley Wood, replacing the 91A/C that
@2206 mentioned in one of the network changes threads?
Other than that, and seeing that no service seems to use Coleshill Heath Road now on the rerouting of the X12 (which surprised me), I don't recall anything else.
EDIT: oh the Claribels 94A has been readded to bus flags around here, so that may need reinstating as well on the full route.
Solihull/Birmingham maps.
The X529 on the Wolves & Walsall maps, plus on the Walsall one, is the 2 showing as going down Somerfield Road again?
(In fact, what about the Arriva 1 & 3, as they're not operating as normal, will they be included as the proper route or the 'temporary ' route?
I know the 1 isn't running before anyone says!)
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 20, 2020, 11:59:24 AM
Hi @Kevin
Yes they will be produced/printed. Just at the moment because of all the ahort notice change due to the pandemic. TfWM deam it not viable to produce any printed information as there's a chance the documents would bw out of date with in a week or so of them being produced/printed. once there is a definitive chance of the network getting back to 'normality' then the only things that are being produced through NX are timetables. Obviously the timetables that are being produced are only for NX services. You got to remember that all TfWM's do is use public money to produce stuff. so just think when there's several changes wether minor or major during this time the only timetable available will be NX editions No TfWM productions.
I hope I've made clear why TfWM aren't producing anything.
Let me know if you don't understand.
Regards
'Every' service?
I know the 326 didn't change, as that stayed at the same times!
I don't know if every NX Travel Shop is doing this, but Walsall have what appears to be printouts from the NX website on a rack just as you walk in, obviously NX only, but couldn't they extend it to feature non NX services as well, bearing in mind the timetable posters on the bus stops are slow in being updated?
(Or because it's NX staff, they're not allowed to do other companies timetables at the moment!)
Quote from: Westy on October 20, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
The X529 on the Wolves & Walsall maps, plus on the Walsall one, is the 2 showing as going down Somerfield Road again?
(In fact, what about the Arriva 1 & 3, as they're not operating as normal, will they be included as the proper route or the 'temporary ' route?
I know the 1 isn't running before anyone says!)
According to every Arriva driver ive spoken to the 1 is dead and buried and not coming back
Quote from: Westy on October 20, 2020, 09:46:32 PM
'Every' service?
I know the 326 didn't change, as that stayed at the same times!
I don't know if every NX Travel Shop is doing this, but Walsall have what appears to be printouts from the NX website on a rack just as you walk in, obviously NX only, but couldn't they extend it to feature non NX services as well, bearing in mind the timetable posters on the bus stops are slow in being updated?
(Or because it's NX staff, they're not allowed to do other companies timetables at the moment!)
Yes they are looking at every timetable regardless of operator.
NX are only doing their timetables as they have not got enough money to spend on printing all other operator timetables.
I know TfWM are updating on road posters and flags with correct information, but for timetables and map production everything is on hold. As it is an uncertain time for all operators, so although they are looking at all timetables there's no timescale on when they will re start production.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 21, 2020, 07:51:39 AM
Yes they are looking at every timetable regardless of operator.
NX are only doing their timetables as they have not got enough money to spend on printing all other operator timetables.
I know TfWM are updating on road posters and flags with correct information, but for timetables and map production everything is on hold. As it is an uncertain time for all operators, so although they are looking at all timetables there's no timescale on when they will re start production.
To be honest, I was only suggesting photocopies off the website for the other operators!
Quote from: Westy on October 21, 2020, 10:33:58 AM
To be honest, I was only suggesting photocopies off the website for the other operators!
Again though they would be using their printer paper and ink to photocopy the other operators website. So it would be upto
@Adam 404 to decide production of any other operator timetable regardless of wether it would be a photocopy or a proper copy.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 21, 2020, 11:40:26 AM
Again though they would be using their printer paper and ink to photocopy the other operators website. So it would be upto @Adam 404 to decide production of any other operator timetable regardless of wether it would be a photocopy or a proper copy.
And also, why would you print off a competitor's timetables anyway? You're effectively advertising their services too. It's like Morrisons producing leaflets for Asda.
Quote from: Pat on October 21, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
And also, why would you print off a competitor's timetables anyway? You're effectively advertising their services too. It's like Morrisons producing leaflets for Asda.
I'm not saying they would, but it would be helpful if they did. As I said though it's up to
@Adam 404 to decide. I asume as there is only NX timetables available at NX travelshops.
Quote from: Pat on October 21, 2020, 11:45:48 AM
And also, why would you print off a competitor's timetables anyway? You're effectively advertising their services too. It's like Morrisons producing leaflets for Asda.
Well, I got an Arriva printout off Walsall back in the 'bad old days' of Arriva being a PITA over not sending leaflets to West Midlands enquiry offices!
Quote from: Westy on October 21, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
Well, I got an Arriva printout off Walsall back in the 'bad old days' of Arriva being a PITA over not sending leaflets to West Midlands enquiry offices!
On the odd occasion, to help someone out, I wouldn't see a problem. It's just common courtesy really. What I'm really getting at is why print out loads of competitor timetables, advertising their services and do the work for them? Not to mention incurring unnecessary costs!
Quote from: Pat on October 21, 2020, 01:22:18 PM
On the odd occasion, to help someone out, I wouldn't see a problem. It's just common courtesy really. What I'm really getting at is why print out loads of competitor timetables, advertising their services and do the work for them? Not to mention incurring unnecessary costs!
I was saying to print the competetors timetable out in colour. I would expect a black and white print out for competeors timetable. For their own services I'd like to think they would continue to produce a coloued timetable like they do now.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 21, 2020, 05:23:32 PM
I was saying to print the competetors timetable out in colour. I would expect a black and white print out for competeors timetable. For their own services I'd like to think they would continue to produce a coloued timetable like they do now.
To be honest, nobody really cares whether the timetable is in colour or black and white. As a passenger, all I want is the times of the service.
On the Walsall map currently on the Network West Midlands website, on the Burntwood inset the 10A uses Spring Hill Road and Chase Road, not Cannock Road. Has always gone this way. Also, the 62 terminates at Sankeys Corner and doesn't carry on along Bridge Cross Road, Cannock Road and then onwards to Lichfield, this change happened sometime in 2019, so reference could probably be removed altogether of that.
Also, on the Walsall map according to Traveline the 8 does a one-way loop at Brownhills West i.e. Chester Road North, terminates at the Rising Sun, then back via Watling Street and The Parade.
I thought that one of the remit's of West Midlands Network was to provide transport publicity, but if they do not then the operators should produce their own.
But why should NXWM produce timetables showing their competitors services, those operators should produce their own leaflets and provide them to the travel centres. If they are operating on the same route as NXWM then pay NXWM to show their services in the NXWM leaflet.
For example Go Ahead's Brighton & Hove operation produces a Brighton Bus Times book twice a year. It shows all bus services in the Brighton area including those operated by Stagecoach, The Big Lemon & Compass Bus. However these other operators pay B&H a fee for inclusion of their services in the book.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on October 21, 2020, 09:10:21 PM
I thought that one of the remit's of West Midlands Network was to provide transport publicity, but if they do not then the operators should produce their own.
But why should NXWM produce timetables showing their competitors services, those operators should produce their own leaflets and provide them to the travel centres. If they are operating on the same route as NXWM then pay NXWM to show their services in the NXWM leaflet.
For example Go Ahead's Brighton & Hove operation produces a Brighton Bus Times book twice a year. It shows all bus services in the Brighton area including those operated by Stagecoach, The Big Lemon & Compass Bus. However these other operators pay B&H a fee for inclusion of their services in the book.
WMN do publicise timetables and map, but with the uncertainty of Covid on the bus industry they have decided not to publicise new editions of any documents. As the operators keep changing what services are operating to what services are suspended. just look at the 80 and 80A. Both of these were running and now they are operating all journeys as 80A, which mean NO 80. Another is a tendered service 228 all through lockdown it was operating at every 2 hours but no timetable was produced. now it's been replaced by the 242 theres still no timetable, and the 242 now operates hourly between Stourbridge and Kinver.
I'm not saying NX should produce all operators timetables but if they could have a range of timetables all be it photocopies of other operators ones that would help passengers. I understabd that they would be adevtising competetors operations but it's all in the interest of customers.
May be your example coyld be taken forward by operators. I know that not all operators are on this forum but the ones that are might benefit for being mentioned on NX leaflets?
May be
@Adam 404 could talk to all operators concernd and come to some agreement?
This seems the best thread for this question.
Are the Travelshops, now they have the screens up, classed as 'essential'?
Will they be closing for at least a month, from next Thursday or not?
Quote from: Westy on November 01, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
This seems the best thread for this question.
Are the Travelshops, now they have the screens up, classed as 'essential'?
Will they be closing for at least a month, from next Thursday or not?
I would assume they will close as in the previous lockdown, so they will close again.
Unless they are offering some sort of service that can't either be done on line or over the phone, I don't know as I don't use them?
But I would have thought you'd be able to purchase, passess and find timetables on line. People making essential journeys would be familiar with the journeys they are making I would have thought.
Quote from: 2206 on November 01, 2020, 06:51:56 PM
I would assume they will close as in the previous lockdown, so they will close again.
Unless they are offering some sort of service that can't either be done on line or over the phone, I don't know as I don't use them?
But I would have thought you'd be able to purchase, passess and find timetables on line. People going to work and school kids would be familiar with the journeys they are making.
I would've thought, now the screens are up, they shouldn't need to close.
Personally, my current pass is up this weekend, & there's no way to renew it, except at the Travelshop, as I signed up for the Swiftcard, when they had that leaflet flyer in there a few years ago, & it didn't say on said leaflet, that you could not renew it online, until the lady in Walsall Travelshop told me, the first time I renewed it.
I wasn't going to reapply again, so I kept it, plus surely the Travelcard agents should be upgraded to issue Swift as well, but they're not!
Quote from: Westy on November 01, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
I would've thought, now the screens are up, they shouldn't need to close.
Personally, my current pass is up this weekend, & there's no way to renew it, except at the Travelshop, as I signed up for the Swiftcard, when they had that leaflet flyer in there a few years ago, & it didn't say on said leaflet, that you could not renew it online, until the lady in Walsall Travelshop told me, the first time I renewed it.
I wasn't going to reapply again, so I kept it, plus surely the Travelcard agents should be upgraded to issue Swift as well, but they're not!
It does seems like unnecessary travel to catch the bus to the travelshop and a bus back just to renew the pass though. At a time when people are supposed to be travelling less.
If it can't be renewed online it would make sense for them to make it possible at least temporarily, for it to be renewed either on the phone or online.
Quote from: 2206 on November 01, 2020, 07:36:39 PM
If it can't be done online. It seems like unnecessary travel to catch the bus to the travelshop and a bus back just to renew the pass. At a time when people are supposed to be travelling less.
If it can't be renewed online it would make sense for them to make it possible to be renewed over the phone.
I have to go out, for my work lunch shopping anyway at the weekend , or get my magazines, so it isn't an hardship to go to Walsall to renew, otherwise if I'm asked to go to the chippy in Leamore on the way home, it's easier to go via Walsall instead, but at other times I do use the 326 from Bloxwich to Willenhall, for my commute or do my work lunch shopping in Bloxwich or Leamore instead.
Quote from: Westy on November 01, 2020, 07:46:26 PM
I have to go out, for my work lunch shopping anyway at the weekend , or get my magazines, so it isn't an hardship to go to Walsall to renew, otherwise if I'm asked to go to the chippy in Leamore on the way home, it's easier to go via Walsall instead, but at other times I do use the 326 from Bloxwich to Willenhall, for my commute or do my work lunch shopping in Bloxwich or Leamore instead.
Assuming you want to purchase a 4-week nBus Walsall or Regional, the WMN website says (https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/swift/topping-up/) Swift smartcards can be renewed at over 800 'Payzone' retailers across the West Midlands, there's about 15 within a mile of Leamore, including 4 on Bloxwich High St, certainly a higher concentration compared to the traditional travelcard agents - of course some may close for the lockdown.
Quote from: JPC on November 02, 2020, 12:53:40 AM
Assuming you want to purchase a 4-week nBus Walsall or Regional, the WMN website says (https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/swift/topping-up/) Swift smartcards can be renewed at over 800 'Payzone' retailers across the West Midlands, there's about 15 within a mile of Leamore, including 4 on Bloxwich High St, certainly a higher concentration compared to the traditional travelcard agents - of course some may close for the lockdown.
I'll have a look.
Thanks
Quote from: Westy on November 01, 2020, 06:38:05 PM
This seems the best thread for this question.
Are the Travelshops, now they have the screens up, classed as 'essential'?
Will they be closing for at least a month, from next Thursday or not?
@Westy Travelshops are essential and will remain open at their current hours.
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 02, 2020, 05:41:36 PM
@Westy
Travelshops are essential and will remain open at their current hours.
Cheers
Hi all
I need to know observations for the Birmingham Area map if any asap.
Thanks
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 19, 2020, 05:33:16 PM
Hi all
I need to know observations for the Birmingham Area map if any asap.
Thanks
Bus Man K2
Hi. The revised 145 route in the Rubery and Rednal area is absent although I understand the 202 is returning imminently so it may not be an issue for too much longer anyway.
Quote from: SO6597 on November 20, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
Hi. The revised 145 route in the Rubery and Rednal area is absent although I understand the 202 is returning imminently so it may not be an issue for too much longer anyway.
I believe the 145 route is changing back alongside the 202.
Quote from: SO6597 on November 20, 2020, 01:01:00 PM
Hi. The revised 145 route in the Rubery and Rednal area is absent although I understand the 202 is returning imminently so it may not be an issue for too much longer anyway.
Quote from: DJ on November 20, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
I believe the 145 route is changing back alongside the 202.
Has the 202 change been confirmed yet? Or is Diamond having trouble with Worcestershire CC?
Can anybody shead some light on the full length of the Thandi 53 route please?
Thanks
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 20, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
Can anybody shead some light on the full length of the Thandi 53 route please?
Thanks
Regards
Bus Man K2
In Smith's Wood (sorry, Smithwood), it uses Lanchester Way in both directions now to its' terminus. The portion of Auckland Drive between both ends of Lanchester Way isn't served.
In Alum Rock/Bordesley Green, the route has been simplified to go Bordesley Green East - Belchers Lane - Cotterills Lane (currently unmarked on the Birmingham map) - Alum Rock Road.
https://bustimes.org/services/53-birmingham-smiths-wood-via-saltley-shard-end#map
Comparing the bustimes.org map to the bus map seems to show these to be the only changes.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 20, 2020, 05:31:20 PM
In Smith's Wood (sorry, Smithwood), it uses Lanchester Way in both directions now to its' terminus. The portion of Auckland Drive between both ends of Lanchester Way isn't served.
In Alum Rock/Bordesley Green, the route has been simplified to go Bordesley Green East - Belchers Lane - Cotterills Lane (currently unmarked on the Birmingham map) - Alum Rock Road.
https://bustimes.org/services/53-birmingham-smiths-wood-via-saltley-shard-end#map
Comparing the bustimes.org map to the bus map seems to show these to be the only changes.
Thanks for this
@ellspurs I can't make any sense of the bustimes. org map. Does the 53 still serve Albert Road& Fredrick Road as Google show it as operating down Station Road and onto the nunamed road (on the B'ham map) as Lyndhurst Road I think. which is it?
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 20, 2020, 05:55:27 PM
Thanks for this @ellspurs I can't make any sense of the bustimes. org map. Does the 53 still serve Albert Road& Fredrick Road as Google show it as operating down Station Road and onto the nunamed road (on the B'ham map) as Lyndhurst Road I think. which is it?
Regards
Bus Man K2
Never heard of a Lyndhurst Road, in Stechford, so I looked it up and I can't see one that exists.
I think this might answer your question anyway though
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_GEOOBJECT_REQUEST?language=en&command=bothDirections&line=cen:20053:%20:H:y11:5:5::1:3&hideBannerInfo=1&coordOutputFormat=MRCV
Quote from: 2206 on November 20, 2020, 05:58:55 PM
Never heard of a Lyndhurst Road, in Stechford, so I looked it up and I can't see one that exists.
I think this might answer your question anyway though
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_GEOOBJECT_REQUEST?language=en&command=bothDirections&line=cen:20053:%20:H:y11:5:5::1:3&hideBannerInfo=1&coordOutputFormat=MRCV
Sorry
@2206 it's lyttleton Road not Lyndhurst Road.
Sorry.
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 20, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Sorry @2206 it's lyttleton Road not Lyndhurst Road.
Sorry.
Regards
Bus Man K2
As
@2206's link shows, the bus can't be going down Lyttleton Road/Station Road, as the bus goes down Manor Road after that stop, so it would need to be coming in from the opposite direction.
Funnily enough, Google sent its vehicles out there in September, so the latest images are up-to-date. Unfortunately there are no bus stops on any of Albert Road/Victoria Road/Lyttleton Road, although you can see a Diamond 53 on Albert Road in previous versions.
I'm going with
@2206 with saying that part of the route is correct. The thing that is confusing me is the kink on Manor Road. I can't imagine for the life of me why the route kinks around Rattle Croft/Bagshaw Road/Hill House Lane. It doesn't help that it seems to be Hail and Ride around there, as there are no bus shops showing up on Google Street View.
edit: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_20053_%20_H_y11_3-3 shows it just going down Manor Road as well.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 20, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
As @2206's link shows, the bus can't be going down Lyttleton Road/Station Road, as the bus goes down Manor Road after that stop, so it would need to be coming in from the opposite direction.
Funnily enough, Google sent its vehicles out there in September, so the latest images are up-to-date. Unfortunately there are no bus stops on any of Albert Road/Victoria Road/Lyttleton Road, although you can see a Diamond 53 on Albert Road in previous versions.
I'm going with @2206 with saying that part of the route is correct. The thing that is confusing me is the kink on Manor Road. I can't imagine for the life of me why the route kinks around Rattle Croft/Bagshaw Road/Hill House Lane. It doesn't help that it seems to be Hail and Ride around there, as there are no bus shops showing up on Google Street View.
edit: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_20053_%20_H_y11_3-3 shows it just going down Manor Road as well.
If you look at Google Street View you can turn right onto Staton Road from Lyttleton Road and then left into Manor Road. and the same in reverse for the other direction of travel.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 20, 2020, 07:23:26 PM
If you look at Google Street View you can turn right onto Staton Road from Lyttleton Road and then left into Manor Road. and the same in reverse for the other direction of travel.
You can, but you can't do that and also service the bus stops on Station Road. The 53 is marked up on those bus stops as per the September 2020 Google Street map capture.
On the Birmingham map, i dont believe there are any journeys on the 002 which serve Balmoral Road in Kitwell anymore. They all run direct along Field Lane to Bartley Green
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on November 20, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
Has the 202 change been confirmed yet? Or is Diamond having trouble with Worcestershire CC?
https://www.diamondbuses.com/west-midlands/bus-services/202/
Quote from: SO6597 on November 24, 2020, 07:53:38 PM
https://www.diamondbuses.com/west-midlands/bus-services/202/
Does the route map not function properly for anyone else?
Quote from: ayyHugo on November 24, 2020, 08:07:01 PM
Does the route map not function properly for anyone else?
Quite a few of the Diamond route maps don't seem to work for whatever reason. The news section confirms that it is following the same route that it did until its withdrawal.
Does anybody know if the 35 still serves Moor Street Q'way anymore?
Thank you
Kind regards
Bus Man K2
The 35 has NEVER has a stop on Moor Street Queensway
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 02:54:27 PM
Does anybody know if the 35 still serves Moor Street Q'way anymore?
Thank you
Kind regards
Bus Man K2
It still serves its stop on Moor Street, outside Selfridges, if that's what you were referring to?
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
It still serves its stop on Moor Street, outside Selfridges, if that's what you were referring to?
Thanks
@Pat I was referring to the terminus.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 03:17:44 PM
The 35 has NEVER has a stop on Moor Street Queensway
I NEVER said it stops on Moor Street. I actually said does it serve the road NOT terminat on it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 03:40:00 PM
Thanks @Pat I was referring to the terminus.
I NEVER said it stops on Moor Street. I actually said does it serve the road NOT terminat on it.
Serving is the same as stopping. If a route serves a street, it stops on it to basically provide a 'service'.
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 03:42:18 PM
Serving is the same as stopping. If a route serves a street, it stops on it to basically provide a 'service'.
In my eyes and I expext most peoeples eyes Serving it would meen both things
1 stppoing on it.
2. operating along it.
Although I actuall know it doesnt fully operate along Moor St Q'way, It does serve it in some way.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
In my eyes and I expext most peoeples eyes Serving it would meen both things
1 stppoing on it.
2. operating along it.
Although I actuall know it doesnt fully operate along Moor St Q'way, It does serve it in some way.
The 35 uses the turning circle on Moor Street Queensway to head back down Moor Street towards Digbeth.
If the bus doesn't provide a service i.e picking up/dropping of people, then it technically does not serve the street.
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 03:49:47 PM
The 35 uses the turning circle on Moor Street Queensway to head back down Moor Street towards Digbeth.
Yes I gathered that from what you said in the first post. When you said it stops on Moor St outside selfridges.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
In my eyes and I expext most peoeples eyes Serving it would meen both things
1 stppoing on it.
2. operating along it.
Although I actuall know it doesnt fully operate along Moor St Q'way, It does serve it in some way.
So you think the X51 serves Birchfield Road and Newtown Row?
Try telling that to passengers who end up at the Alexander Stadium
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 04:06:51 PM
So you think the X51 serves Birchfield Road and Newtown Row?
Try telling that to passengers who end up at the Alexander Stadium
It does 'serve' thoes two roads, butas I said to
@Pat it doesn't stop along there.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 04:14:05 PM
It does 'serve' thoes two roads, butas I said to @Pat it doesn't stop along there.
It doesn't serve them, check the definition of serve?
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 04:16:42 PM
It doesn't serve them, check the definition of serve?
So why do TfWM use the defintion of 'Bus Served roads? You answer that and I'll try and answer your question.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 04:23:37 PM
So why do TfWM use the defintion of 'Bus Served roads? You answer that and I'll try and answer your question.
And show me where TfWM say the 35 serves Moor Street Queensway or the X51 serves Birchfield Road
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 04:25:24 PM
And show me where TfWM say the 35 serves Moor Street Queensway or the X51 serves Birchfield Road
It says it in the Key on the may 'Other bus served road'. so I would say the the 35 does serve Moor street Q'way. It doesnt stop on it but it serves it.
Yes I also know that the colour makes a difference however it doesn't matter what road is coloured what shade of blue it a bus served road.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 04:32:10 PM
It says it in the Key on the may 'Other bus served road'. so I would say the the 35 does serve Moor street Q'way. It doesnt stop on it but it serves it.
Yes I also know that the colour makes a difference however it doesn't matter what road is coloured what shade of blue it a bus served road.
TfWM mean that the bus goes along that road, more as a reference as to which way the service goes. Anyway, can't you just accept that the 35 DOESN'T serve Moor Street Queensway?
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 04:44:18 PM
TfWM mean that the bus goes along that road, more as a reference as to which way the service goes. Anyway, can't you just accept that the 35 DOESN'T serve Moor Street Queensway?
I am only going by what it says on the map in the key. So I'm sticking with serve. If anybody doesn't like me using that word then sorry, but that's what I'm used to seeing.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 04:53:09 PM
I am only going by what it says on the map in the key. So I'm sticking with serve. If anybody doesn't like me using that word then sorry, but that's what I'm used to seeing.
The map says that as Moor Street Queensway is served by other services (they actually pick up here). As the 35 does not pick up on Moor Street Queensway, it does not provide a service there, so doesn't serve it.
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 04:59:11 PM
The map says that as Moor Street Queensway is served by other services (they actually pick up here). As the 35 does not pick up on Moor Street Queensway, it does not provide a service there, so doesn't serve it.
I am still going to use serve as it operates along part of it. Where do TfWM say that it doesn't provide a service to that road?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 04:53:09 PM
I am only going by what it says on the map in the key. So I'm sticking with serve. If anybody doesn't like me using that word then sorry, but that's what I'm used to seeing.
Going back to your original question, nowhere on the map has the 35 ever been marked on Moor Street Queensway
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Going back to your original question, nowhere on the map has the 35 ever been marked on Moor Street Queensway
Yes but you can say that for any of the services that operate along Moor St Q'way as there are no serves marked on it.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Going back to your original question, nowhere on the map has the 35 ever been marked on Moor Street Queensway
They do have X12/X70 marked on Nechells Parkway. Which is strange in my opinion.
And Diamond 25 on Madison Road/Brockhurst Road when it doesn't go that way anyway.
And an X16 service on the Tyburn Road. Which i didn't know went anywhere near there either?
I even just noticed X15 is marked on Lichfield Road, Aston as well.
And more.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:04:50 PM
Going back to your original question, nowhere on the map has the 35 ever been marked on Moor Street Queensway
Considering I'm not a bus enthusiast but I do live on the 35, I do recall that the 35 up until around 2012 used to terminate at Corporation Street before metro works started. How it got there I have absolutely no idea but logically looking at the map it would use Moor Street Queenway and Priory Queensway.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:07:11 PM
Yes but you can say that for any of the services that operate along Moor St Q'way as there are no serves marked on it.
Why can't you just accept what people are telling you? For the purposes of your question, the 35 does not serve Moor Street Queensway, only Moor Street, as I have already told you.
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 05:07:59 PM
They do have X12/X70 marked on Nechells Parkway. Which is strange in my opinion.
And Diamond 25 on Madison Road/Brockhurst Road when it doesn't go that way anyway.
And an X16 service on the Tyburn Road. Which i didn't know went anywhere near there either?
Yes the X12 and X70 should be shown on Nechelles Parkway as it does go that way as one of the routes in congestion.
With regards to the 25 according to Google maps it does serve thoes roads and also the current timetable shows that.
The X16 goes to a Tamworth estate and only operates peaks. It does serve Kingsbury Road as Google maps, show it there too.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:15:37 PM
Yes the X12 and X70 should be shown on Nechelles Parkway as it does go that way as one of the routes in congestion.
With regards to the 25 according to Google maps it does serve thoes roads and also the current timetable shows that.
The X16 goes to a Tamworth estate and only operates peaks. It does serve Kingsbury Road as Google maps, show it there too.
I've see Diamond 25 in person regularly. And your not correct.
It goes towards Ward End via Ventor Avenue and Coleshill Road. Towards Erdington it goes via Coleshill Road and Bromford Road.
Doesn't matter what your map says.
The point in regards to X12/X70/X16 is they don't serve those roads as they stop nowhere near them.
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 05:15:09 PM
Why can't you just accept what people are telling you? For the purposes of your question, the 35 does not serve Moor Street Queensway, only Moor Street, as I have already told you.
Because it operates along Moor Street Queensway it therefore serves it. Obviously in your eyes and Tony's a bus that serves that said road should terminate and start there. but as I said in my eyes and other people 'not in the know' they would say it serves that road.
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
I've see Diamond 25 in person regularly. And your not correct.
It goes towards Ward End via Ventor Avenue and Coleshill Road. Towards Erdington it goes via Coleshill Road and Bromford Road.
Doesn't matter what your map says.
The point in regards to X12/X70/X16 is they don't serve those roads as they stop know here near them.
so why does google maps have it serving Madison Rd and Brockhurst Road?
With regards to the X12/X70/X16 they operate along there so they should be shown along thoes roads.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:18:45 PM
Because it operates also Moor Street Queensway it therefore serves it. Obviously in your eyes and Tony's a bus that serves that said road should terminate and start there. but as I said in my eyes and other people 'not in the know' they would say it serves that road.
At what point did Tony or myself say that the bus should start/terminate there? Despite someone who has a vast experience in the bus industry telling you that you're definition of a bus 'serving' a street is wrong, you still refuse to accept him? And why ask a question to answer it yourself and refuse any alternative (in other words, correct) answer by anyone else?
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 05:07:59 PM
They do have X12/X70 marked on Nechells Parkway. Which is strange in my opinion.
I agree, looks like someone who checks maps doesn't actually do it as a customer friendly publication. Not only doesn't it serve the road, you could actually stand on there all day and not see one go past.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:22:10 PM
so why does google maps have it serving Madison Rd and Brockhurst Road?
With regards to the X12/X70/X16 they operate along there so they should be shown along thoes roads.
They don't most days! Not sure an X16 has ever travelled along those roads, and some days not one X12 or X70 will either
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 05:23:26 PM
At what point did Tony or myself say that the bus should start/terminate there? Despite someone who has a vast experience in the bus industry telling you that you're definition of a bus 'serving' a street is wrong, you still refuse to accept him? And why ask a question to answer it yourself and refuse any alternative (in other words, correct) answer by anyone else?
Again a bus that operates along a road serves it but doesnt stop along it 'in many peoples eyes'. I am not refusing it just an opinion. Yes I know it seems like I am refusing it but I'm only going by what it says in the key. So be it if it's the wrong assumption! 😁
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:25:21 PM
They don't most days! Not sure an X16 has ever travelled along those roads, and some days not one X12 or X70 will either
So why does it say it in the currect timetable for the X12?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Again a bus that operates along a road serves it but doesnt stop along it 'in many peoples eyes'. I am not refusing it just an opinion. Yes I know it seems like I am refusing it but I'm only going by what it says in the key. So be it if it's the wrong assumption! 😁
You're relying on the fact that what the key says is gospel, which it isn't. Maybe you could understand it like this:
An Avanti service from Wolverhampton to Euston travels through Bletchley station. It does not stop there. Therefore, does the service serve Bletchley? No.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:26:58 PM
Again a bus that operates along a road serves it but doesnt stop along it 'in many peoples eyes'. I am not refusing it just an opinion. Yes I know it seems like I am refusing it but I'm only going by what it says in the key. So be it if it's the wrong assumption! 😁
Which key?
Here's a question for you.
If you were in Birmingham, got on an X51, asked the driver if he served Newtown Row and, got the reply "yes", and then ended up three miles away and missed an important appointment would you be happy?
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 05:31:24 PM
You're relying on the fact that what the key says is gospel, which it isn't. Maybe you could understand it like this:
An Avanti service from Wolverhampton to Euston travels through Bletchley station. It does not stop there. Therefore, does the service serve Bletchley? No.
Again I understand that but it still serves the route but not the station. If you can provide evidence from TfWM where it say it to fisically serve a stop on a said road then I'll stop. But so far I'm only seeing things frrom Tony and you which again I can't take as you would say 'gospel'! 😁 So if you can provide my with some evidence then I'll stop
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:29:48 PM
So why does it say it in the currect timetable for the X12?
Nechells Parkway does not feature on either the website timetable or travelshop leaflet.
Quote from: Adam 404 on January 07, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
Nechells Parkway does not feature on either the website timetable or travelshop leaflet.
Hi
@Adam 404 I am looking at the old TfWM timetable dated 1 Sept 19. and that one does show it operating along Nechells Parkway. And anyway in the case of conjestion what routes does it do?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Again I understand that but it still serves the route but not the station. If you can provide evidence from TfWM where it say it to fisically serve a stop on a said road then I'll stop. But so far I'm only seeing things frrom Tony and you which again I can't take as you would say 'gospel'! 😁 So if you can provide my with some evidence then I'll stop
Oh ffs! What part of this is so difficult to understand? NO service is provided at the station, so the train does not serve it. And what you're saying basically is that Tony knows nothing about what the definition of 'serving' means?
I've got the Wolverhampton network map right in front of me and to me, I can understand it perfectly. The "other bus served road" means that a service (or multiple) does serve that particular road. In the case of the 35, you've got multiple other services, such as the 17, 60, 61 & X1 that travel along Moor Street Queensway and physically atop there to pick up/drop off passengers.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:35:47 PM
Again I understand that but it still serves the route but not the station. If you can provide evidence from TfWM where it say it to fisically serve a stop on a said road then I'll stop. But so far I'm only seeing things frrom Tony and you which again I can't take as you would say 'gospel'! 😁 So if you can provide my with some evidence then I'll stop
This is always your attitude.
Whatever you guess to be correct you argue forever that it is correct however many people prove you are wrong. Even down to you latest guesswork that the X12 states Nechells Parkway. Here is the current timetable, no mention of anywhere between Bromford and City Centre. Even the registration with DVSA states that the vehicle may take various routes between those places
https://nxbus.co.uk/media/3562/bx12-x70-01-november2020.pdf
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:44:17 PM
Hi @Adam 404
I am looking at the old TfWM timetable dated 1 Sept 19. and that one does show it operating along Nechells Parkway. And anyway in the case of conjestion what routes does it do?
It is not just a case of congestion, during normal traffic most drivers use the Aston Expressway, Tyburn Road, Bromford Lane outbound
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:45:18 PM
This is always your attitude.
Whatever you guess to be correct you argue forever that it is correct however many people prove you are wrong. Even down to you latest guesswork that the X12 states Nechells Parkway. Here is the current timetable, no mention of anywhere between Bromford and City Centre. Even the registration with DVSA states that the vehicle may take various routes between those places
https://nxbus.co.uk/media/3562/bx12-x70-01-november2020.pdf
Wellacordimg to tge TfWM edition it states Nechells Parkway and then it also mentions Astop Expressway and Tyburn Road. The timetable you've linked to is the NX website one and it doesn't state which roads it is serves between Bromford and Birmimgham. And is it no wonder when I'm so arsy when people are also coming across arsy.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 05:50:03 PM
It is not just a case of congestion, during normal traffic most drivers use the Aston Expressway, Tyburn Road, Bromford Lane outbound
But obviously in the timetable (Not
@Adam 404's it states in case of congestion
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:52:46 PM
Wellacordimg to tge TfWM edition it states Nechells Parkway and then it also mentions Astop Expressway and Tyburn Road. The timetable you've linked to is the NX website one and it doesn't state which roads it is serves between Bromford and Birmimgham. And is it no wonder when I'm so arsy when people are also coming across arsy.
We only come across arsey because we are fed up of constantly being subject to your stubbornness and ignorant attitude.
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 05:55:07 PM
We only come across arsey because we are fed up of constantly being subject to your stubbornness and ignorant attitude.
If my attitude comes across arsey I dont mean it. It's just the way I am and speak my mind. can we just get back to the point now.
Sorry to everyone.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:57:51 PM
If my attitude comes across arsey I dont mean it. It's just the way I am and speak my mind. can we just get back to the point now.
Sorry to everyone.
Yes, I am the same (as you can probably tell). It just becomes annoying when multiple people try to explain something to you and you don't accept their answer, resulting in us going round in circles.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 05:52:46 PM
Wellacordimg to tge TfWM edition it states Nechells Parkway and then it also mentions Astop Expressway and Tyburn Road. The timetable you've linked to is the NX website one and it doesn't state which roads it is serves between Bromford and Birmimgham. And is it no wonder when I'm so arsy when people are also coming across arsy.
I've just gone to TfWM website and it tells me to go to Network West Midlands site for timetables, and X12 timetable shows this
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables#/route/cen_33X12_B_H_y11_6-6 and even downloading the full timetable no mention of Nechells Parkway
Quote from: Pat on January 07, 2021, 06:01:00 PM
Yes, I am the same (as you can probably tell). It just becomes annoying when multiple people try to explain something to you and you don't accept their answer, resulting in us going round in circles.
All I'm saying though is that I would say the the 35 does serve Moor street Q'way. Obviously if it doesnt actually stop/terminate or start there then it may not actually 'serve' the road. But it all comes down to the definition of 'serve' and as no one has given a definition I still would say it serves it. Now lets call that the end and beg to differ!! 😁
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:01:58 PM
I've just gone to TfWM website and it tells me to go to Network West Midlands site for timetables, and X12 timetable shows this
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables#/route/cen_33X12_B_H_y11_6-6 and even downloading the full timetable no mention of Nechells Parkway
I'm talking about the printed timetable (TfWM) Obviously the web will be up to date and also will only show the one route which it would 'normally' use.
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC TO THE THREAD TITLE
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Sorry about that.
In the updated Birmingham map on the TfWM site, the 53 route is still showing the wrong route in the Alum Rock area. See previous posts from myself/2206, specifically: https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.msg274711#msg274711
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
All I'm saying though is that I would say the the 35 does serve Moor street. Obviously if it doesnt actually stop/terminate or start here then it may not actually 'serve' the road. But it all comes down to the definition of 'serve' and as no one has given a definition I still would say it serve it. Now lets call thet the end and beg to differ!! 😁
It does serve Moor Street, but not Moor Street Queensway, they are two different roads, If you are saying these for your own records to 'share with a few friends' like the destinations you have been asking for, then fine, If this is part of your voluntary checking for TfWM you say you do, then you need to be correct. I am as pro public transport as you can get, and one of my pet hates is confusing information going to possible passengers. It is really hard to attract people onto buses, but really easy to drive them away, something like telling a first time traveller the X51 served Newtown Row would probably stop them using buses for ever.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 07, 2021, 06:12:46 PM
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC TO THE THREAD TITLE
*cough*
Sorry about that.
In the updated Birmingham map on the TfWM site, the 53 route is still showing the wrong route in the Alum Rock area. See previous posts from myself/2206, specifically: https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1565.msg274711#msg274711
Yes I think I have already added this to my observations. I'm trying to go through all the old (TfWM) timetables and marry up what's changed. It's taking me forever!! 😁 That's why I was asking about the 35 and that's when all that on the last page kicked off! 😁 😁 I also wnat to get back on topic now.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:19:12 PM
Yes I think I have already added this to my observations. I'm trying to go through all the old (TfWM) timetables and marry up what's changed. It's taking me forever!! 😁 That's why I was asking about the 35 and that's when all that on the last page kicked off! 😁 😁 I also wnat to get back on topic now.
As far as I can see, the 35 on the map is correct, terminating on Moor Street, where it has been for many years, so what is the query
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
All I'm saying though is that I would say the the 35 does serve Moor street Q'way. Obviously if it doesnt actually stop/terminate or start there then it may not actually 'serve' the road. But it all comes down to the definition of 'serve' and as no one has given a definition I still would say it serves it. Now lets call that the end and beg to differ!! 😁
A bus serves a road when it has a stop there for people to use.
Line of route is a different matter, because there may be certain roads that a service operates along but does not stop, for example the 2 and 3 services operate along Highgate Road in Sparkbrook, but do not serve them as they do not stop there.
In your example, the 35's line of route includes Moor Street Queensway, but it does not serve that road.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:16:50 PM
It does serve Moor Street, but not Moor Street Queensway, they are two different roads, If you are saying these for your own records to 'share with a few friends' like the destinations you have been asking for, then fine, If this is part of your voluntary checking for TfWM you say you do, then you need to be correct. I am as pro public transport as you can get, and one of my pet hates is confusing information going to possible passengers. It is really hard to attract people onto buses, but really easy to drive them away, something like telling a first time traveller the X51 served Newtown Row would probably stop them using buses for ever.
Again
@Tony I am still going with 'Serve' even if it actually doesn't properly stop on a road. Much like what the X12 dose between Bitmingham and Bromford. Now I know that sound confilted but it 'serces the Q' way in my eyes but not actually!! 😁
And yes it is for my voluntary job.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2021, 06:23:52 PM
A bus serves a road when it has a stop there for people to use.
Line of route is a different matter, because there may be certain roads that a service operates along but does not stop, for example the 2 and 3 services operate along Highgate Road in Sparkbrook, but do not serve them as they do not stop there.
In your example, the 35's line of route includes Moor Street Queensway, but it does not serve that road.
You've hit the nail on the head there
@Stu.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
Again @Tony I am still going with 'Serve' even if it actually doesn't properly stop on a road. Much like what the X12 dose between Bitmingham and Bromford.
If you tried to flag an X12 on Nechells Parkway, they would most certianly drive past you and you'd probably be stood there all day.
So no it does not serve Nechells Parkwway.
Does anybody know if the 94A has re-started up again?
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
If you tried to flag an X12 on Nechells Parkway, they would most certianly drive past you and you'd probably be stood there all day.
So no it does not serve Nechells Parkwway.
But it does operate along there in Cases of conjestion. I know it dooes drews Lane and Washwood Heath Road and I travelled on it and it did that route. I think it even stopped a d dropped off and picked up. But obviously that was way before the first lockdown.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
Again @Tony I am still going with 'Serve' even if it actually doesn't properly stop on a road. Much like what the X12 dose between Bitmingham and Bromford. Now I know that sound confilted but it 'serces the Q' way in my eyes but not actually!! 😁
And yes it is for my voluntary job.
I think it is about time for me to advise TfWM then because as I said incorrect information is worse than no information.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:28:19 PM
Does anybody know if the 94A has re-started up again?
Bustimes says it has: https://bustimes.org/services/94a-birmingham-chelmsley-wood-via-ward-end
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/196522 shows that YJ12 CHH did a journey on it today.
Also the bus stop flags show 94A on them on the route.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:31:41 PM
I think it is about time for me to advise TfWM then because as I said incorrect information is worse than no information.
No I try my best. Infact most of my previous observations have been taken on. So I must be doing something right.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
No I try my best. Infact most of my previous observations have been taken on. So I must be doing something right.
Listen to me speaking not angrily, but as someone who spent some years advising the public both as a City Inspector and a Travelshop manager.
Putting the X12/X70 on Nechells Parkway is just confusing and wrong, not only can you not catch it or get off there, some days you won't even see one there. I don't dispute you do your best and will have done a good job correcting many of their errors, but you need to listen to us that you are not always right. It is not just me, but three others have told you about the X12, but we are all wrong. On a map the X12 (and the X70) should not appear anywhere between The Priory Queensway and Bromford Lane/Bromford Road junction that way no-one walks along any roads looking for a stop with the number on, no passengers on the bus think they can get off there. And the passengers using the bus for valid journeys don't care which way it goes as long as it gets them where they are going on time
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:46:43 PM
Listen to me speaking not angrily, but as someone who spent some years advising the public both as a City Inspector and a Travelshop manager.
Putting the X12/X70 on Nechells Parkway is just confusing and wrong, not only can you not catch it or get off there, some days you won't even see one there. I don't dispute you do your best and will have done a good job correcting many of their errors, but you need to listen to us that you are not always right. It is not just me, but three others have told you about the X12, but we are all wrong. On a map the X12 (and the X70) should not appear anywhere between The Priory Queensway and Bromford Lane/Bromford Road junction that way no-one walks along any roads looking for a stop with the number on, no passengers on the bus think they can get off there. And the passengers using the bus for valid journeys don't care which way it goes as long as it gets them where they are going on time
If it is essential that the route is marked from Bromford to the city centre (because I can see people getting confused about it not showing a route), they should probably consider using a different colour to indicate "service does not stop on this road", which they could then use for the other services that are limited stop/direct services. In the case of X12/X70 // X1/X2 that can use multiple routes to get between one place and another, the route marked should be the default route the services are asked to use.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:46:43 PM
Listen to me speaking not angrily, but as someone who spent some years advising the public both as a City Inspector and a Travelshop manager.
Putting the X12/X70 on Nechells Parkway is just confusing and wrong, not only can you not catch it or get off there, some days you won't even see one there. I don't dispute you do your best and will have done a good job correcting many of their errors, but you need to listen to us that you are not always right. It is not just me, but three others have told you about the X12, but we are all wrong. On a map the X12 (and the X70) should not appear anywhere between The Priory Queensway and Bromford Lane/Bromford Road junction that way no-one walks along any roads looking for a stop with the number on, no passengers on the bus think they can get off there. And the passengers using the bus for valid journeys don't care which way it goes as long as it gets them where they are going on time
I can see where you're coming from Tony. But if they are going to put in the timetables when they produced them that it goes different ways in the cass of congestion then I think it should be show on the area map. Also they have to put it on the main route that it would normally do otherwise passenger are going to think it flys from A to B to pick up the route from Bromfrod. Now I know it wouldn't fly but think if a 'New passenger' was looking at the map they could probably think how does it get from the City to Bromford?
Quote from: ellspurs on January 07, 2021, 06:52:53 PM
If it is essential that the route is marked from Bromford to the city centre (because I can see people getting confused about it not showing a route), they should probably consider using a different colour to indicate "service does not stop on this road", which they could then use for the other services that are limited stop/direct services. In the case of X12/X70 // X1/X2 that can use multiple routes to get between one place and another, the route marked should be the default route the services are asked to use.
There is no need, and with the X12/X70 there is no default route, drivers are free to take whichever they prefer unless instructed not to by a supervisor.
Heartlands Parkway is shown on the current Birmingham map as blue with the X12/X70 yet as I said you could stand there for hours and not see a bus either way, that should be white.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 07, 2021, 06:52:53 PM
If it is essential that the route is marked from Bromford to the city centre (because I can see people getting confused about it not showing a route), they should probably consider using a different colour to indicate "service does not stop on this road", which they could then use for the other services that are limited stop/direct services. In the case of X12/X70 // X1/X2 that can use multiple routes to get between one place and another, the route marked should be the default route the services are asked to use.
That is a brilliant idea. Iwish I thought of that!! 😁 Thanks
@ellspurs l.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:57:41 PM
Also they have to put it on the main route that it would normally do otherwise passenger are going to think it flys from A to B to pick up the route from Bromfrod. Now I know it wouldn't fly but think if a 'New passenger' was looking at the map they could probably think how does it get from the City to Bromford?
Bus enthusiasts care, new passengers don't care. All they worry about is where they can get on, does it stop where they want to get off and that it should take 10 minutes to get there, please take that from someone who has spent years talking to new passengers in person, not sat at a computer screen trying to work out what people want
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 07:02:25 PM
Bus enthusiasts care, new passengers don't care. All they worry about is where they can get on, does it stop where they want to get off and that it should take 10 minutes to get there, please take that from someone who has spent years talking to new passengers in person, not sat at a computer screen trying to work out what people want
I am just like you
@Tony the amount of mistakez I've picked up on is astronomica to say the leastl!! 😁 Now I know you've worked in the industry a long time but the people who I talk to have also worken in the industry a long time and still think that they are doing it correct. I'm not disputing it's a hard job but when theres somany things wrong with them I do begin to wonder why thay ask me to look as them as setimes they don't take it on board.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 06:57:41 PM
I can see where you're coming from Tony. But if they are going to put in the timetables when they produced them that it goes different ways in the cass of congestion then I think it should be show on the area map. Also they have to put it on the main route that it would normally do otherwise passenger are going to think it flys from A to B to pick up the route from Bromfrod. Now I know it wouldn't fly but think if a 'New passenger' was looking at the map they could probably think how does it get from the City to Bromford?
But to a passenger, if the 'next stop' after the city centre is Bromford, does it really matter which way the bus goes? And vice-versa of course.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
But to a passenger, if the 'next stop' after the city centre is Bromford, does it really matter which way the bus goes? And vice-versa of course.
Yes, exactly my experience of dealing with real people.
If someone came in to the travelshop and asked me how to get to Merry Hill, you tell them the X10, next question where do I catch it, then how long does it take. I never got asked which route it took.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2021, 07:31:20 PM
But to a passenger, if the 'next stop' after the city centre is Bromford, does it really matter which way the bus goes? And vice-versa of course.
I suppose you've got a poin there.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 07:36:20 PM
Yes, exactly my experience of dealing with real people.
If someone came in to the travelshop and asked me how to get to Merry Hill, you tell them the X10, next question where do I catch it, then how long does it take. I never got asked which route it took.
I like to know which way the buses go and I'm a Bus emthusiast so what's the difference?
I like to travel onthe bus and see which way it goes. Ijust don't ask when I go to the travelshop.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 07:40:15 PM
I suppose you've got a poin there.
I like to know which way the buses go and I'm a Bus emthusiast so what's the difference?
I like to travel onthe bus and see which way it goes. Ijust don't ask when I go to the travelshop.
You have just agreed with my point earlier. It is bus enthusiasts who want to know which way a bus goes, not joe public
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 07:45:37 PM
You have just agreed with my point earlier. It is bus enthusiasts who want to know which way a bus goes, not joe public
Before I became a enthusiast I was Joe public. So no I don't see your point.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 07:50:17 PM
Before I became a enthusiast I was Joe public. So no I don't see your point.
The majority of the general public.
As long as its going via a fairly direct route to their destination, I doubt the majority of people are interested in which places it will be going through.
Other errors on the TFWM maps are the 55 - part of Stechford Road should be white. And 28A is not on there for some reason.
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 07:53:04 PM
The majority of the general public.
As long as its going via a fairly direct route to their destination, I doubt the majority of people are interested in which places it will be going through.
Other errors on the TFWM maps are the 55 - part of Stechford Road should be white. And 28A is not on there for some reason.
Hi
@2206 Which part of Stechford Road should be white?
Also for your other observation I had alreafy noticed that. But thanks anyway
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 07:53:04 PM
As long as its going via a fairly direct route to their destination, I doubt people are bothered about which places it will be going through.
Other errors on the TFWM maps are the 55 - part of Stechford Road should be white. And 28A is not on there for some reason.
Yea, the "certain journeys" part of the 55 doesn't seem to happen at all any more - the bustimes timetable doesn't list it, and Google shows no stops at all on Stechford Road any more (ironically bringing us back to what has been mentioned above!)
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 08:03:58 PM
Hi @2206
Which part of Stechford Road should be white?
Also for your other observation I had alreafy noticed that. But thanks anyway
Nothing operates along the part of Stechford Road between Stechford Lane and Hodge Hill Road.
No bus stops on the other part either.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 07, 2021, 08:05:05 PM
Yea, the "certain journeys" part of the 55 doesn't seem to happen at all any more - the bustimes timetable doesn't list it
Yes, they were Claribels ran. It was confirmed that they are no longer run as buses are used on school routes now.
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 07:53:04 PM
The majority of the general public.
As long as its going via a fairly direct route to their destination, I doubt the majority of people are interested in which places it will be going through.
Other errors on the TFWM maps are the 55 - part of Stechford Road should be white. And 28A is not on there for some reason.
It must be just my OCD playing havock as I think it should show it on all roads that it operates along
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 08:05:44 PM
Nothing operates along the part of Stechford Road between Stechford Lane and Hodge Hill Road.
I think it's a new part of the 55 route. Unless you're saying you've seen all 55 do the 'normal route'?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
I think it's a new part of the 55 route. Unless you're saying you've seen all 55 do the 'normal route'?
Nothing has used that stretch of road since Claribels came off the 55. Again you must accept what people tell you. 2206 lives there, he knows his local routes
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 08:14:09 PM
Nothing has used that stretch of road since Claribels came off the 55. Again you must accept what people tell you. 2206 lives there, he knows his local routes
I wasn't aurguing at all I was jist clarifing it as I was sure if Some NX journeys did it due to conjestion on Coleshill Road. I also seem to remember that there was a change on the 55 a long time ago mind but It was the Nx one that changed and I though it may be what I said abovw. in this post.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2021, 08:51:14 PM
I wasn't aurguing at all I was jist clarifing it as I was sure if Some NX journeys did it due to conjestion on Coleshill Road. I also seem to remember that there was a change on the 55 a long time ago mind but It was the Nx one that changed and I though it may be what I said abovw. in this post.
No.
NX service was rerouted from Stechford Lane to Coleshill Road 2 years ago. The reroute was due to congestion on Stechford Lane.
It was the Claribels service that continued to serve it till March 2020.
I've just read the last 5 pages on the definition of the word serve. Did I dream that?
Quote from: Gareth on January 07, 2021, 10:06:14 PM
I've just read the last 5 pages on the definition of the word serve. Did I dream that?
No you didn't dream it!😁
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2021, 09:04:07 PM
No.
NX service was rerouted from Stechford Lane to Coleshill Road 2 years ago. The reroute was due to congestion on Stechford Lane.
It was the Claribels service that continued to serve it till March 2020.
Ok
@2206 I'm was pritty sure that the NX change to serve Streachford Road between Hoghe Hill Road and Steachford Lane. But ias you say it doesn't I believe you.
Hi
@Tony are the B'ham 16's running? Only as Google maps are not showing any journeys?
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 12:54:48 PM
Hi @Tony are the B'ham 16's running? Only as Google maps are not showing any journeys?
Thanks in advance.
Which 16
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 01:00:46 PM
The B'ham 16's to Hamstead?
Yes, but on diversion all week due to closure of Moor Street Queensway
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
Yes, but on diversion all week due to closure of Moor Street Queensway
Thanks
@Tony. Could you tell me why there not tracking on Google Maps then, please? Doesn't matter if it you don't know.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 01:11:08 PM
Thanks @Tony. Could you tell me why there not tracking on Google Maps then, please? Doesn't matter if it you don't know.
Have you asked Google? Tony works for NX.
Quote from: Gareth on January 08, 2021, 03:28:06 PM
Have you asked Google? Tony works for NX.
No I haven't it's normally up to the operator to bring it up with Google. As I have tried to amend and ask thing before and it refers to only the company can amend or ask things. This is why I've asked someone at NX (
@Tony).
Hopefullly he may beable to get something out if Google!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
No I haven't it's normally up to the operator to bring it up with Google. As I have tried to amend and ask thing before and it refers to only the company can amend or ask things. This is why I've asked someone at NX (@Tony).
Hopefullly he may beable to get something out if Google!! 😁
Nothing to do with NX, or our job to query it. NX don't supply the data to google
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 03:57:29 PM
Nothing to do with NX, or our job to query it. NX don't supply the data to google
So who does then? As that's what Google are saying. I'm only going on what has been said to me.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
So who does then? As that's what Google are saying. I'm only going on what has been said to me.
I presume TfWM as the tracking system I use to tell people where buses are has an internet address starting http//centro
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 04:23:04 PM
I presume TfWM as the tracking system I use to tell people where buses are has an internet address starting http//centro
But they get the info from NX as well, I think?
I'm not trying to start another argument. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
But they get the info from NX as well, I think?
I'm not trying to start another argument. 😁
Why haven't you queried why Diamonds aren't showing? NX don't provide that. Don't you think that the fact both companies are missing means the fault isn't worth the bus companies themselves
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 04:34:55 PM
Why haven't you queried why Diamonds aren't showing? NX don't provide that. Don't you think that the fact both companies are missing means the fault isn't worth the bus companies themselves
I was going to as well... I thought one stage at a time though. They both seem to be traking on the WMN App though.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
I was going to as well... I thought one stage at a time though. They both seem to be traking on the WMN App though.
Which tells you the company data is working, what did google actually reply then?
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 04:43:58 PM
Which tells you the company data is working, what did google actually reply then?
I haven't actually asked that specific question to google. I asked something else but couldn't actually send it off as it reported an on screen message back it's up to the company manager or whoever to contact them and give them the correct details. Soo I just assumed to contaced someone in NX to let them know. Obviously I could be wrong to assume that but I don't know how it all works!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 04:03:15 PM
So who does then? As that's what Google are saying. I'm only going on what has been said to me.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 04:47:55 PM
I haven't actually asked that specific question to google. I asked something else but couldn't actually send it off as it reported an on screen message back it's up to the company manager or whoever to contact them and give them the correct details. Soo I just assumed to contaced someone in NX to let them know. Obviously I could be wrong to assume that but I don't know how it all works!! 😁
hmmm
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
hmmm
As I said I only assume that they would say the same thing.... sorry for the assumption! 😁
My assumption is that NX (and other operators) provide data to TfWM, who then provide the open feeds that external apps 'consume' via API calls, these external apps would include Google I presume.
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2021, 06:11:06 PM
My assumption is that NX (and other operators) provide data to TfWM, who then provide the open feeds that external apps 'consume' via API calls, these external apps would include Google I presume.
That's probably what it is
@Stu. However as I also said I tried to amended something on Google a long time ago and I got so far and couldn't send my feedback. But it was reporing that only the company director/manager could amend suggest that it could be amended! I don't know whether that's correct/true?
Quote from: ellspurs on January 07, 2021, 06:52:53 PM
If it is essential that the route is marked from Bromford to the city centre (because I can see people getting confused about it not showing a route), they should probably consider using a different colour to indicate "service does not stop on this road", which they could then use for the other services that are limited stop/direct services. In the case of X12/X70 // X1/X2 that can use multiple routes to get between one place and another, the route marked should be the default route the services are asked to use.
You've hit the nail on the head there
@ellspurs. I will suggest this. I don't think the X1 and X2 have different routes that it would serve between Birmingham and Sheldon or anywhere else?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:39:47 PM
You've hit the nail on the head there @ellspurs. I will suggest this. I don't think the X1 and X2 have different routes that it would serve between Birmingham and Sheldon or anywhere else?
There's another problem another way showing a route though. If they are shown down Hartlands Parkway and someone is following a map to see where they are and the bus uses Tyburn Road it is likely to cause even more confusion
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:39:47 PM
You've hit the nail on the head there @ellspurs. I will suggest this. I don't think the X1 and X2 have different routes that it would serve between Birmingham and Sheldon or anywhere else?
The X1 and X2 services are limited-stop services that run express between Bordesley station and Hay Mills (Kings Road).
While most of the time they operate direct along Small Heath Highway (but do not serve it as there are no stops!) they will on occasion divert along Coventry Road through Small Heath either in full or in part, depending on road/traffic conditions. But still, they do not call at any stops, so don't serve them either.
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 07:42:57 PM
There's another problem another way showing a route though. If they are shown down Hartlands Parkway and someone is following a map to see where they are and the bus uses Tyburn Road it is likely to cause even more confusion
Yes I understand that however it has to be shown on one of the routes it uses even if it doesn't stop lalong it. That's whay I link and probably what TfWM are running to.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:48:14 PM
Yes I understand that however it has to be shown on one of the routes it uses even if it doesn't stop lalong it. That's whay I link and probably what TfWM are running to.
Why? If its shown on the map as an "other bus served road" it'd suggest it serves it to be honest.
Why not just put a note on the map at Bromford Bridge saying "X12/X70 Run non - stop to Birmingham City Centre".
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
The X1 and X2 services are limited-stop services that run express between Bordesley station and Hay Mills (Kings Road).
While most of the time they operate direct along Small Heath Highway (but do not serve it as there are no stops!) they will on occasion divert along Coventry Road through Small Heath either in full or in part, depending on road/traffic conditions. But still, they do not call at any stops, so don't serve them either.
I also understand that the X1 & X2 are limited stop however again it needs to be show on a route rlthat it does normally or even in the case of congestion so I think it may be the only way round this problem! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:48:14 PM
Yes I understand that however it has to be shown on one of the routes it uses even if it doesn't stop lalong it. That's whay I link and probably what TfWM are running to.
I still say the best is the number against the city centre, and the next number against Bromford lane on the map. There is a solid blue line between them via Tyburn Road (which is the route the vast majority of drivers use, so it doesn't look like it has to jump a gap, but it also doesn't give the impression of stopping on that route.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:51:46 PM
I also understand that the X1 & X2 are limited stop however again it needs to be show on a route rlthat it does normally or even in the case of congestion so I think it may be the only way round this problem! 😁
It certainly doesn't need to show both. You don't show all the other diversions that are used, which is many every single day, so why do you need to show one for the X1/X2. All this week they are terminating on Smallbrook Queensway, instead of Moor Street Queensway, but you wouldn't show that
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 07:51:52 PM
I still say the best is the number against the city centre, and the next number against Bromford lane on the map. There is a solid blue line between them via Tyburn Road (which is the route the vast majority of drivers use, so it doesn't look like it has to jump a gap, but it also doesn't give the impression of stopping on that route.
But if it's in a different colour and is highlighted in the Key then I don't see there's a problem?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:55:16 PM
But if it's in a different colour and is highlighted in the Key then I don't see there's a problem?
Please explain why one possible diversion is important, but not any other.
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 07:54:30 PM
It certainly doesn't need to show both. You don't show all the other diversions that are used, which is many every single day, so why do you need to show one for the X1/X2. All this week they are terminating on Smallbrook Queensway, instead of Moor Street Queensway, but you wouldn't show that
You are right on that..however on a normal service that is Limited stop and does different routes to the same place I think it would help passenger. Yes I know you dont think so, but that's your own oppinion. I'm not saying that you can't have your opinion but I am also entitled to an opioion as well aren't I?
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Please explain why one possible diversion is important, but not any other.
I can explain....if its omly a temp divertion like the Moor St closure I don't think it should be on the ma0 as it's only a temp one. Wherear in the case of the X12 or X1 if it goes a sligjt ly dofferent route in congested times them thenk it should be shown I think.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 07:59:36 PM
You are right on that..however on a normal service that is Limited stop and does different routes to the same place I think it would help passenger.
Not really. You can't get off or on there. Then it doesn't help the passenger.
Quote from: 2206 on January 08, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
Not really. You can't get off or on there. Then it doesn't help the passenger.
Ok.. I understand where you're coming from but TfWM are the people who take the viiew that it needs to be shown and I can't force them to change it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 08:03:29 PM
I can explain....if its omly a temp divertion like the Moor St closure I don't think it should be on the ma0 as it's only a temp one. Wherear in the case of the X12 or X1 if it goes a sligjt ly dofferent route in congested times them thenk it should be shown I think.
But as has been stated previously, it makes no difference to the average passenger which way the route goes, where is the next stop?
Honestly, this discussion is going around in circles and I don't know where you're going with this, but it is all starting to get a bit tedious now.
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
But as has been stated previously, it makes no difference to the average passenger which way the route goes, where is the next stop?
Honestly, this discussion is going around in circles and I don't know where you're going with this, but it is all starting to get a bit tedious now.
I know it is getting a bit tedious now. I only suggest changes to the maps. It's TfWM that have the last say. let's leave it at that now, please?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 08, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
No I haven't it's normally up to the operator to bring it up with Google.
Hopefullly he may beable to get something out if Google!! 😁
Only today have I had to report an issue to Google, as they have listed the Monday to Saturday daytime 530 as being run by Diamond from Bilston Street and not Banga. This is why I never use Google for public transport information, as it can often be inaccurate.
@Bus Man K2 what is the criteria for "limited service" on these maps?
The 72A only does 4 journeys in the evening, but isn't marked as a limited service.
(I was just about to compare this to the 89 Coventry - Solihull but, on looking at the timetable on TfWM's website, I find that it doesn't even do a full journey from Solihull to Coventry any more unless you request it on the last bus of the day!)
Quote from: Pat on January 08, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
Only today have I had to report an issue to Google, as they have listed the Monday to Saturday daytime 530 as being run by Diamond from Bilston Street and not Banga. This is why I never use Google for public transport information, as it can often be inaccurate.
I only use Google as I find it somtimes more upto date that TfWM when it works! 😁
Quote from: ellspurs on January 09, 2021, 07:11:44 AM
@Bus Man K2 what is the criteria for "limited service" on these maps?
The 72A only does 4 journeys in the evening, but isn't marked as a limited service.
(I was just about to compare this to the 89 Coventry - Solihull but, on looking at the timetable on TfWM's website, I find that it doesn't even do a full journey from Solihull to Coventry any more unless you request it on the last bus of the day!)
@ellspurs I don't know what the criteria is for a 'limited service' but I can only asume it to be certain journeys unlike the 'limited stop' services.
Saying that it looks like 'limited service' is highlighted be a red diamond.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 08:14:30 AM
I don't know what the criteria is for a 'limited service' but I can only asume it to be certain journeys unlike the 'limited stop' services.
There's a different symbol for "certain journeys" though.
The limited service symbol seems to be used for services that don't have a frequent service (ie the flexibus services in Solihull/Warwickshire/89).
Can you ask them what they're using as their criteria?
Quote from: ellspurs on January 09, 2021, 08:26:31 AM
There's a different symbol for "certain journeys" though.
The limited service symbol seems to be used for services that don't have a frequent service (ie the flexibus services in Solihull/Warwickshire/89).
Can you ask them what they're using as their criteria?
Yes there is it's the occasional service symbol.
I can try but they don't always give me an answer.
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:58:55 PM
There is no need, and with the X12/X70 there is no default route, drivers are free to take whichever they prefer unless instructed not to by a supervisor.
Heartlands Parkway is shown on the current Birmingham map as blue with the X12/X70 yet as I said you could stand there for hours and not see a bus either way, that should be white.
Hi
@Tony Ok then I will suggest that it either should be show on all three routes that they take between Bitmingham and Bromford or none at all.
However when TfWM go back to printing their vertiono of the timetables how would you suggest that they show them running between B'ham and Bromford
@Tony and
@Adam 404? As you say
@Adam 404 you don't show it in the timetable that you've produced. Which in my eyes doesnt seem right but hay ho lets just carry on with this topic now and move past this. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 10:41:13 AM
Hi @Tony Ok then I will suggest that it either should be show on all three routes that they take between Bitmingham and Bromford or none at all.
However when TfWM go back to printing their vertiono of the timetables how would you suggest that they show them running between B'ham and Bromford @Tony and @Adam 404? As you say @Adam 404 you don't show it in the timetable that you've produced. Which in my eyes doesnt seem right but hay ho lets just carry on with this topic now and move past this. 😁
All it needs to say is 'Runs non-stop between Bromford Lane and City Centre.'
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2021, 11:31:37 AM
All it needs to say is 'Runs non-stop between Bromford Lane and City Centre.'
Is that along the routes it might take or just in general?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 11:33:34 AM
Is that along the routes it might take or just in general?
Just a note on the map I think.
Also I think 80A should be shown in dark blue as well. As 80/80A (currently just 80A) have ran at every 10 minutes for a number of years now. Icknield Port Road, Ladywood Middleway, etc.
Quote from: 2206 on January 09, 2021, 11:47:08 AM
Just a note on the map I think.
Also I think 80A should be shown in dark blue as well. As 80/80A (currently just 80A) have ran at every 10 minutes for a number of years now. Icknield Port Road, Ladywood Middleway, etc.
Ok I have added that note to my list.
I will also add the 80A observation to my list.
I have a lot of abservations. I have 18 pages!!! and thats not the finished version!!😁
Most of them may be my OCD playing havok!! 😁
The 53 in Smith's Wood should be revised to using Lanchester Way in both directions up to its terminus. Bus stop flags have been updated on the road to show it is supposed to use it in both directions, and not use Auckland Drive.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 09, 2021, 12:19:38 PM
The 53 in Smith's Wood should be revised to using Lanchester Way in both directions up to its terminus. Bus stop flags have been updated on the road to show it is supposed to use it in both directions, and not use Auckland Drive.
Thanks for this
@ellspurs. Although I had already got this observation.... it good to know that someone else has pick it up!! 😁
Does anybody know how the 75A operates between B'ham Int stn and Sutton (Bishop Walsh School) and vice-versa? As the current timetable map shows it operating two routes.
One via the 75 route from Coleshill Road (M42 bridge) to Wylde Green Road and then up Wylde Green Road and Birmingham Road to Queen Street and South Parade.
The second is via Middleton.
OMG 9 PAGES OF CRAP IVE JUST READ THROUGH FROM MR WOLLASTON
AND I THOUGH MR BLACKHEATH WAS BAD
Quote from: karl724223 on January 09, 2021, 12:55:41 PM
OMG 9 PAGES OF CRAP IVE JUST READ THROUGH FROM MR WOLLASTON
AND I THOUGH MR BLACKHEATH WAS BAD
@karl724223 Ok you don't need to say that. Yes it may be CRAP to you but tp anyone else it may be important. Yes I also know I can go on and on but that's just how I am and my OCD! 😁 Sorry to everyone who had to read through all 9 pages of this to get to this only. I don't mean any harm. 😁 I just want to do a proper job and if I'm using the wrong terminology tben I'm sorry but I'm only goning on what it says on the map in the key. Yes I know that might be wrong but it's just the way I work it out!! 😁
The Walsall map (in an attempt to change the subject!).
Notice the 3 has been truncated at Brownhills, but should the 1 & 2E be taken off as well now?
Quote from: Westy on January 09, 2021, 02:31:01 PM
The Walsall map (in an attempt to change the subject!).
Notice the 3 has been truncated at Brownhills, but should the 1 & 2E be taken off as well now?
Hi
@Westy I also just want to get back on track! 😁
They have only asked me to look at the Birmingham map to start off with. So I'm concentrating on Birmingham, however yes Walsall will be another area to look at but I dont know when! 😁
Quote from: Westy on January 09, 2021, 02:31:01 PM
The Walsall map (in an attempt to change the subject!).
Notice the 3 has been truncated at Brownhills, but should the 1 & 2E be taken off as well now?
P. s.
Thanks for that observation
@Westy.
Can anybody please tell me/help me?
On the Birmingham map it shows that there are some services that operate up Vicarage Road onto an unnamed road then onto Stoney Lane. Which services do this please?
Also does the 89 operate both directions along Devonshire Road or is it just towards B'ham?
I know that Smethwick High Street has become one way with Tollhouse Way becoing served by bus services. I assume all the routes on High Street now only operate in the direction of Rolfe Street down the High Street?
Also does the 89 still run all the way along Stoney Lane in Smethwick?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Regards
anyway now we've short of cleard the previous post up in a wa. Can we just get back to the topic no, please?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
I'm only goning on what it says on the map in the key. Yes I know that might be wrong but it's just the way I work it out!! 😁
You're misunderstanding what that key in the map actually means. The key shows that that stretch of road is served by another service that
stops to pick up and drop off passengers
Quote from: Tony on January 07, 2021, 06:21:03 PM
As far as I can see, the 35 on the map is correct, terminating on Moor Street, where it has been for many years, so what is the query
Just to answer your queation
@Tony I was just asking if the 35 still operated along Moor St Q'way. So when I said serve I meant operate along it. As I said though in my eyes it still serves it even though it doesnt actuallly stop along it. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point and move on. Get back onto topic now. Otherwise I would say I'd stop posting and to delete the tread but I'd only want to start another one up in the future. so there's no point in delivering it.
Quote from: Pat on January 09, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
You're misunderstanding what that key in the map actually means. The key shows that that stretch of road is served by another service that stops to pick up and drop off passengers
If that is correct
@Pat then surely havening the X12 and X70 on that road or other roads shouldn't matter as if other services serve the road by stopping on it then the X12 and X70 is ok to be on there even though it doesnt stop along there?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 05:23:38 PM
If that is correct @Pat then surely havening the X12 and X70 on that road or other roads shouldn't matter as if other services serve the road by stopping on it then the X12 and X70 is ok to be on there even though it doesnt stop laong there?
Not sure what your on about to be honest.
The 55/94 don't go to the same places as X12/X70.
And nothing serves Heartlands Parkway.
But you've been told that the X12/X70 DO NOT serve Nechells Parkway. Why do you need to keep arguing about it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 10:41:13 AM
Hi @Tony Ok then I will suggest that it either should be show on all three routes that they take between Bitmingham and Bromford or none at all.
However when TfWM go back to printing their vertiono of the timetables how would you suggest that they show them running between B'ham and Bromford @Tony and @Adam 404? As you say @Adam 404 you don't show it in the timetable that you've produced. Which in my eyes doesnt seem right but hay ho lets just carry on with this topic now and move past this. 😁
The timetables show timing points only and don't feature a map so I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. All information on the latest X12 timetable leaflet is correct.
Quote from: 2206 on January 09, 2021, 05:25:01 PM
Not sure what your on about to be honest.
The 55/94 don't go to the same places as X12/X70.
And nothing serves Heartlands Parkway.
But you've been told that the X12/X70 DO NOT serve Nechells Parkway. Why do you need to keep arguing about it.
I have just checked Google maps and you are correct that no services operate along Heartlands Parkway. I was jist going by what the TfWM timetable map was saying. sorry to everyone who read all 9 pages of the augument. Now that's sorted properly, can we get back to the topic please?
I did not brig this back up. I only replyed to
@Tony and then I said to got back onto track and topic.
So can we just get back to the topic please?
Quote from: Adam 404 on January 09, 2021, 05:28:28 PM
The timetables show timing points only and don't feature a map so I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. All information on the latest X12 timetable leaflet is correct.
@Adam 404 That is your edition and not TfWM's isn't it? I'm looking at the TfWM edition (dated 1 Sept 19). 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 03:33:26 PM
On the Birmingham map it shows that there are some services that operate up Vicarage Road onto an unnamed road then onto Stoney Lane. Which services do this please?
Which Vicarage Road and Stoney Lane are you asking about?
Quote from: Stu on January 09, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
Which Vicarage Road and Stoney Lane are you asking about?
Hi
@StuI'm talking about the Vicarage Road and Stoney Lane in Smethwick if that's any help? 😁
Thanks for answering the post.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 03:33:26 PM
Can anybody please tell me/help me?
On the Birmingham map it shows that there are some services that operate up Vicarage Road onto an unnamed road then onto Stoney Lane. Which services do this please?
Also does the 89 operate both directions along Devonshire Road or is it just towards B'ham?
I know that Smethwick High Street has become one way with Tollhouse Way becoing served by bus services. I assume all the routes on High Street now only operate in the direction of Rolfe Street down the High Street?
Also does the 89 still run all the way along Stoney Lane in Smethwick?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Regards
anyway now we've short of cleard the previous post up in a wa. Can we just get back to the topic no, please?
89 turns left onto Devonshire Road. Only a school bus serves the other part of Stoney Lane.
No current bus uses that Vicarage Road/Green Street segment you have mentioned. I'd feel very sorry for any bus driver that had to try and squeeze down there unless in a minibus.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 09, 2021, 06:30:56 PM
89 turns left onto Devonshire Road. Only a school bus serves the other part of Stoney Lane.
No current bus uses that Vicarage Road/Green Street segment you have mentioned. I'd feel very sorry for any bus driver that had to try and squeeze down there unless in a minibus.
Hi
@ellspursThanks for that clarification.
does the 89 run both direction along Devonshire Road? or just in the one direction? 😁
Does anyone know what route the 604 does in Sutton Coldfield?
Thanks
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 06:39:07 PM
Hi @ellspurs
Thanks for that clarification.
does the 89 run both direction along Devonshire Road? or just in the one direction? 😁
Both.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 06:40:51 PM
Does anyone know what route the 604 does in Sutton Coldfield?
Thanks
Regards
Bus Man K2
Pretty much the route shown on the map, with the exception that no bus serves the tiny bottom part of Somerville Road between Braemar Road and Jockey Road.
If you go on the TfWM website, it gives you the option to view a map of the route: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_13604_%20_H_y11_7-7
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 06:24:02 PM
Hi @Stu
I'm talking about the Vicarage Road and Stoney Lane in Smethwick if that's any help? 😁
Thanks for answering the post.
Unless anyone can state otherwise, that is wrong. Vicarage Road does not connect to High Street anyway like that.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4953744,-1.9724943,18z
Quote from: Stu on January 09, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
Unless anyone can state otherwise, that is wrong. Vicarage Road does not connect to High Street anyway like that.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4953744,-1.9724943,18z
It's probably a fudge bunging Trinity Street on the end of it. It all just needs to be removed anyway.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 09, 2021, 06:48:15 PM
Both.
Pretty much the route shown on the map, with the exception that no bus serves the tiny bottom part of Somerville Road between Braemar Road and Jockey Road.
If you go on the TfWM website, it gives you the option to view a map of the route: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_13604_%20_H_y11_7-7
Thanks for that
@ellspurs.
Quote from: Stu on January 09, 2021, 06:50:56 PM
Unless anyone can state otherwise, that is wrong. Vicarage Road does not connect to High Street anyway like that.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4953744,-1.9724943,18z
Thanks
@Stu I'll get them to amend that and take Vicarage road and Stoney lane off and Lso rectifiy the vicarage road hicup! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 05:34:00 PM
@Adam 404
That is you edition and not TfWM's isn't it? I'm looking at the TfWM edition (dated 1 Sept 19). 😁
That's not what you said. Either way, TfWM don't appear to be producing leaflets of any kind any time soon.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 09, 2021, 10:41:13 AM
As you say @Adam 404 you don't show it in the timetable that you've produced. Which in my eyes doesnt seem right but hay ho
Quote from: Adam 404 on January 09, 2021, 11:22:35 PM
That's not what you said. Either way, TfWM don't appear to be producing leaflets of any kind any time soon.
Hi
@Adam 404I did say the TfWM edition in my first reply to you and not yours...
Anyway from Easter they are going to start producing leaflets again, that's why I'm looking at the TfWM timetables and area maps to correct the mistakes so when they produce the timetables and area maps they are all upto date and correct.
Actually I have just checked Google Maps again ant it does show both the X12 and X70 operating along Heartlands Parkway. Traveline West Midlands have it operating along Lichfield Road and Aston Expressway.
I am currently looking at the Coventry area map and as I don't live in this area. I was just wondering does anybody know are there any services that operate along the Ringway between Foleshill Road & London Road?
I need to know as soon as posible.
Thank you in advance
Bus Man K2
I need some help with Coventry please???
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
I need some help with Coventry please???
If you don't know yourself, and no-one here can help you, then you obviously can't help TfWM with this, so don't worry about it.
Quote from: Stu on January 16, 2021, 04:45:40 PM
If you don't know yourself, and no-one here can help you, then you obviously can't help TfWM with this, so don't worry about it.
I have had responses for Coventry before. I also have old tinetables to help if I don't know. I was just re asking if anybody could help on here? Obviously not....unless
@Adam 404 can?
Quote from: Stu on January 16, 2021, 04:45:40 PM
If you don't know yourself, and no-one here can help you, then you obviously can't help TfWM with this, so don't worry about it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
I need some help with Coventry please???
What Stu says makes sense. It should really be someone who is familiar with the area who does this voluntary checking
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
I am currently looking at the Coventry area map and as I don't live in this area. I was just wondering does anybody know are there any services that operate along the Ringway between Foleshill Road & London Road?
I need to know as soon as posible.
Thank you in advance
Bus Man K2
I see the old 22 September 2019 Coventry Map & Guide has that section coloured dark blue [the city wide larger map] suggesting it is used. But, off the top of my head I can't think of anything that uses that stretch of the Ring Road on a regular basis (but I could be wrong!).
Does the 735 School journey to Blue Coats School still run and does it use that eastern section of the Ring Road?
Historically there's never been great use of the Ring Road (bar the obvious Holyhead Rd to Upper Well St and New Union St/Little Park St to London Rd etc sections).
Quote from: Pat on January 16, 2021, 04:56:28 PM
What Stu says makes sense. It should really be someone who is familiar with the area who does this voluntary checking
I can see where both of you are coming from... however they have nn one whoes from Coventry... So their stuck with me!!! 😁 and anything I come up with.. They have also let me offer it out to people.. That's why I am on here. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 05:05:38 PM
I can see where both of you are coming from... however they have nn one whoes from Coventry... So their stuck with me!!! 😁 and anything I come up with.. They have also let me offer it out to people.. That's why I am on here. 😁
There's plenty of people who work at Coventry both TfWM or NXWM who they could ask if needed who know every route in Coventry
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 16, 2021, 05:03:09 PM
I see the old 22 September 2019 Coventry Map & Guide has that section coloured dark blue [the city wide larger map] suggesting it is used. But, off the top of my head I can't think of anything that uses that stretch of the Ring Road on a regular basis (but I could be wrong!).
Does the 735 School journey to Blue Coats School still run and does it use that eastern section of the Ring Road?
Historically there's never been great use of the Ring Road (bar the obvious Holyhead Rd to Upper Well St and New Union St/Little Park St to London Rd etc sections).
I know that the section between Hales Street/Bus Station and Walsgrave Road is.. its only the little bit the other direction... I think the 735 does still run...eventhough the current map which is available on the WMN website doesn't show it..but if you search for the timetable it popps up!! 😁
I was racking my brains to remember if I've seen a bus on that section of the road. I didn't comment as I couldn't confirm that I could remember.
Looking at the routes that serves the roads around there, there doesn't appear to be a reason why a bus would be using that part of the ring road unless returning to garage/leaving garage. The only possible one I thought of originally was the X6, but that leaves/enters Coventry via Gosford Street and the roundabout by Stabby Village.
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2021, 05:15:19 PM
There's plenty of people who work at Coventry both TfWM or NXWM who they could ask if needed who know every route in Coventry
I'm not disputing that
@Tony however if they did would they actually know? As I know I've asked people who wotk in an area and they don't always know everythinj. Before you ask for an example... I can't give one because it's been such a long time since I asked a question and I can't rememver the respons anyway!😁
Quote from: ellspurs on January 16, 2021, 05:20:03 PM
I was racking my brains to remember if I've seen a bus on that section of the road. I didn't comment as I couldn't confirm that I could remember.
Looking at the routes that serves the roads around there, there doesn't appear to be a reason why a bus would be using that part of the ring road unless returning to garage/leaving garage. The only possible one I thought of originally was the X6, but that leaves/enters Coventry via Gosford Street and the roundabout by Stabby Village.
Thanjs
@ellspurs... The onky one that I could think of is the schools service 58 that comes down Foleshill road (according to Google maps)... which before people tell me is noymt a good transport map to use...9 times out of 10 it is correct, but as the 58 only runs Schooldays only I cant check the route.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
however if they did would they actually know?
Yes, as I said there are plenty that know every route in Coventry down to minute detail. Are you seriously saying they ask someone who doesn't actually know any of the routes, or is it more a case of you volunteering to check it?
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
Yes, as I said there are plenty that know every route in Coventry down to minute detail. Are you seriously saying they ask someone who doesn't actually know any of the routes, or is it more a case of you volunteering to check it?
I'm saying that there is know one from Coventry that they know that could volunteer like me.... Also as I said when I asked something (which I can't remwmber what ifmt way) the person didn't know and they actually worked for NX or TfWM.. I can't remember which company it was but it was definatly someone from NX or TfWM... 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 05:32:47 PM
Thanjs @ellspurs... The onky one that I could think of is the schools service 58 that comes down Foleshill road (according to Google maps)... which before people tell me is noymt a good transport map to use...9 times out of 10 it is correct, but as the 58 only runs Schooldays only I cant check the route.
Off the NXC website; the 58/58A is a Schools service running Four Pounds Ave/Allesley Park to West Coventry Academy, with one journey leaving Trinity St at 07.26 heading to the same school.
In the afternoons one service heads to town via Jubilee Crescent (Radford) and one just to Jubilee Crescent. I can't imagine much use of the Ring Road would be needed for these.
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 16, 2021, 05:45:30 PM
Off the NXC website; the 58/58A is a Schools service running Four Pounds Ave/Allesley Park to West Coventry Academy, with one journey leaving Trinity St at 07.26 heading to the same school.
In the afternoons one service heads to town via Jubilee Crescent (Radford) and one just to Jubilee Crescent. I can't imagine much use of the Ring Road would be needed for these.
Then when you actuall go onto the Foleshill Road the stop at Leicester Row says 57 & 57A so I don't know which one to beleave!!!😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 05:43:00 PM
I'm saying that there is know one from Coventry that they know that could volunteer like me.... Also as I said when I asked something (which I can't remwmber what ifmt way) the person didn't know and they actually worked for NX or TfWM.. I can't remember which company it was but it was definatly someone from NX or TfWM... 😁
If you don't know, then you don't know, there's no shame in admitting that.
If you're just a volunteer for TfWM then you should be under no obligations to do so.
They employ enough people as it is on paid salaries who should be expected to 'know' this kind of trivial information.
Don't beat yourself up over this, and don't expect others to provide this information voluntarily.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Then when you actuall go onto the Foleshill Road the stop at Leicester Row says 57 & 57A so I don't know which one to beleave!!!😁
That sounds like the completely separate Stagecoach service up the Foleshill Rd (nothing to do with the NXC schools 58/58A). In fact Stagecoach only run the 55/55A/56 run that way now (with the 48/X48).
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 16, 2021, 06:17:00 PM
That sounds like the completely separate Stagecoach service up the Foleshill Rd (nothing to do with the NXC schools 58/58A). In fact Stagecoach only run the 55/55A/56 run that way now (with the 48/X48).
I forgot about the Stagecoach 57 and 57A. I thought it was the NXC school 57 and probably a variation of that service.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
I am currently looking at the Coventry area map and as I don't live in this area. I was just wondering does anybody know are there any services that operate along the Ringway between Foleshill Road & London Road?
The NXC X30 is probably the only normal bus service running along that section of the Ringway... Outbound from White St to Sky Blue Way and Inbound from Sky Blue Way to the Eaton Rd link, this is clearly and correctly shown on the Traveline Midlands map for the service.
The withdrawn NXC 27A and some Stagecoach services along the London Road had previously ran that section of the Ringway but not anymore.
Quote from: JPC on January 16, 2021, 08:17:27 PM
The NXC X30 is probably the only normal bus service running along that section of the Ringway... Outbound from White St to Sky Blue Way and Inbound from Sky Blue Way to the Eaton Rd link, this is clearly and correctly shown on the Traveline Midlands map for the service.
The withdrawn NXC 27A and some Stagecoach services along the London Road had previously ran that section of the Ringway but not anymore.
Thanks
@JPC.. I knew the X30 did the section of Rigway between White Street and Sky Blue Way out bound and from Sky Blue Way to Eaton Road inbound along the ringway. Its just the section between White Street and Foleshill Road that I needed to know.. Which I think you've cleared up... I assume you're saying nothing now operates along the bit of ringway between White Street and Foleshill Road then?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 16, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
Thanks @JPC.. I knew the X30 did the section of Ringway between White Street and Sky Blue Way out bound and from Sky Blue Way to Eaton Road inbound along the ringway. Its just the section between White Street and Foleshill Road that I needed to know.. Which I think you've cleared up... I assume you're saying nothing now operates along the bit of ringway between White Street and Foleshill Road then?
Yes, Nothing.
Tfwm must be desperate that all I can say asking somebody to help them that doesn't know and keeps asking all the questions on this forum
Quote from: karl724223 on January 16, 2021, 09:44:52 PM
Tfwm must be desperate that all I can say asking somebody to help them that doesn't know and keeps asking all the questions on this forum
Hi
@karl724223No TfWM aren't desperate...they saw an opportunity to invite me in as an outsider and a enthusiast. Also as they carnt always get things right, with my expertise in detail (except for Coventry) I do pritty well considering... also they said to get as many people envolved as possible... I can only assue its because of the workload that they gets so much wrong!! 😁
So that's another reason why they asked me to get envolved as I have very little to do during the day except for my other things that envlove NX and stop lists!!!!😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 07:01:24 AM
Hi @karl724223
No TfWM aren't desperate...they saw an opportunity to invite me in as an outsider and a enthusiast. Also as they carnt always get things right, with my expertise in detail (except for Coventry) I do pritty well considering... also they said to get as many people envolved as possible... I can only assue its because of the workload that they gets so much wrong!!...
Still struggling to buy that.
TfWM isn't going to favour asking some random enthusiast to provide things like this over liaising with the actual bus companies that run the actual routes. Their very existence is to to just that: working in partnership with bus operators, providing information to passengers and updating timetables and maps, literally taken from their "about us" section on their website.
I can absolutely get that it'd be something you're personally interested in and I can see someone taking it upon themselves to
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 08:15:03 AM
Still struggling to buy that.
TfWM isn't going to favour asking some random enthusiast to provide things like this over liaising with the actual bus companies that run the actual routes. Their very existence is to to just that: working in partnership with bus operators, providing information to passengers and updating timetables and maps, literally taken from their "about us" section on their website.
I can absolutely get that it'd be something you're personally interested in and I can see someone taking it upon themselves to
I can see where you're coming from... however they do liase with the nain operator but not every time deso the operator pick up as many observations as I do... I've picked up 129 observations which is a 19 page doc on the Birmingham map.... For Coventry I have only pick up so far around 5 pages...So can you now see how much I pick up to was the actual people who work for the comapies can... Not trying to start an argument or to have this topic locked.... however it is a good place for me to post... Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at the operators but that's not what I'm trying to do. Plus they want to know these thing from a passenger point of view...so if they want to canvers 'passengers' to help them then thay can do that surely?
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 08:15:03 AM
Their very existence is to to just that: working in partnership with bus operators, providing information to passengers and updating timetables and maps, literally taken from their "about us" section on their website.
Yeah, they're excelling at that at the moment.
From their website, the "upcoming bus changes" hasn't been updated since the 11th of March, 2020.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/buses/upcoming-bus-changes/
They also have this buried under the "current travel advice" heading, which is just telling people to check the individual operator's website for details. Before this update, the last update I saw on here was regarding the extending of the A10 from Cranes Park over the 91 route into Chelmsley Wood. This information should be on the "upcoming bus changes" page. There's been no mention on here of Chaserider overtaking the Arriva services in the Walsall/Brownhills/Wolverhampton areas.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/current-travel-advice/bus-updates-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
TfWM need to do a better job at communicating and updating their information. Most of the things I've seen been mentioned to
@Bus Man K2 here have actually been incorporated into those maps (like the reinstatement of the 94 service that got removed when Claribels withdrew their service), so it is actually making a difference, highlighting that TfWM needs to get a grip on it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 08:55:52 AM
I can see where you're coming from... however they do liase with the nain operator but not every time deso the operator pick up as many observations as I do... I've picked up 129 observations which is a 19 page doc on the Birmingham map.... For Coventry I have only pick up so far around 5 pages...So can you now see how much I pick up to was the actual people who work for the comapies can... Not trying to start an argument or to have this topic locked.... however it is a good place for me to post... Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at the operators but that's not what I'm trying to do.
It's not so much about the number of observations you've picked up, but more so that it is somewhat unusual that TfWM, the authority whose responsibility it is to produce information, is relying on an enthusiast (who they aren't paying) to check over maps etc in areas in which you yourself are unfamiliar with. There are people in these areas who, like already said, will know every little detail about every route. If you don't know the information you are being asked to check, instead relying on Google etc, how can TfWM and passengers be sure that the map is correct?
I've done some work for WMCA/NWM in the past, and even though I volunteered to do this, I was still given some form of payment for it. I find it strange that even though this is their domain, they still get an unpaid enthusiast to do this.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 17, 2021, 09:05:51 AM
Yeah, they're excelling at that at the moment.
From their website, the "upcoming bus changes" hasn't been updated since the 11th of March, 2020.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/buses/upcoming-bus-changes/
They also have this buried under the "current travel advice" heading, which is just telling people to check the individual operator's website for details. Before this update, the last update I saw on here was regarding the extending of the A10 from Cranes Park over the 91 route into Chelmsley Wood. This information should be on the "upcoming bus changes" page. There's been no mention on here of Chaserider overtaking the Arriva services in the Walsall/Brownhills/Wolverhampton areas.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/current-travel-advice/bus-updates-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
TfWM need to do a better job at communicating and updating their information. Most of the things I've seen been mentioned to @Bus Man K2 here have actually been incorporated into those maps (like the reinstatement of the 94 service that got removed when Claribels withdrew their service), so it is actually making a difference, highlighting that TfWM needs to get a grip on it.
Thank you
@ellspurs for backing me up on this I do really appreciate it and all the help I, get on here... even if sometime I do brass people off with my contiuning posts!!! 😁 I also tryed to find the upcoming service changes which I gave up in the end because they've normally attached to the bottom of the Disruptioms page... I also know that they have updated them since March of last year.... but you can understand why they haven't... with all the short term changes during lockdowns and that.... hopefully in the not so distant future you'll start to see the document being updated again...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 07:01:24 AM
Hi @karl724223
No TfWM aren't desperate...they saw an opportunity to invite me in as an outsider and a enthusiast. Also as they carnt always get things right, with my expertise in detail (except for Coventry) I do pritty well considering... also they said to get as many people envolved as possible... I can only assue its because of the workload that they gets so much wrong!! 😁
So that's another reason why they asked me to get envolved as I have very little to do during the day except for my other things that envlove NX and stop lists!!!!😁
your so called expertise is that why your on here asking questions all the while
Because yow ay gorra scooby doo
Quote from: karl724223 on January 17, 2021, 10:04:42 AM
your so called expertise is that why your on here asking questions all the while
Because yow ay gorra scooby doo
Then tell me this then
@karl724223 Why have I got 129 observations for Birmingham.. yes I grant you that some of those are observatios from on here but not all of them are...so get your facts right before you question me on here. Sorry if I come acroos arsey I don't mean it but as you come across arsey then why shouldn't I? I know two Wrongs don't make a right..but I have backed myself up also some prople on here are also backing me up. so I have obviously got a Scooby Doo as you put it.... Now can we just get back to the topic on hand please? I don't want another topic of mine being looked or deleated... As this does help be when I don't know the area as well as I should! 😁 Plus I have had althority from TfWM themselves to shrae it with other passengers or staff how work with the varius companies.. So actually that's why I'm on here as you say all the while... so whats the saying 'don't shoot the messenger'!! 😁, Which I am the messenger.
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 08:15:03 AM
Still struggling to buy that.
TfWM isn't going to favour asking some random enthusiast to provide things like this over liaising with the actual bus companies that run the actual routes. Their very existence is to to just that: working in partnership with bus operators, providing information to passengers and updating timetables and maps, literally taken from their "about us" section on their website.
I can absolutely get that it'd be something you're personally interested in and I can see someone taking it upon themselves to
Hi
@Kevin why do yousay that?? As I have clearly stated before that they invted me to give observations on all literature that the Passenger information team work on..
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 08:15:03 AM
Still struggling to buy that.
TfWM isn't going to favour asking some random enthusiast to provide things like this over liaising with the actual bus companies that run the actual routes. Their very existence is to to just that: working in partnership with bus operators, providing information to passengers and updating timetables and maps, literally taken from their "about us" section on their website.
I can absolutely get that it'd be something you're personally interested in and I can see someone taking it upon themselves to
Plus as I've just said to
@karl724223Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 10:46:22 AM
Then tell me this then @karl724223 Why have I got 129 observations for Birmingham.. yes I grant you that some of those are observatios from on here but not all of them are...so get your facts right before you question me on here. Sorry if I come acroos arsey I don't mean it but as you come across arsey then why shouldn't I? I know two Wrongs don't make a right..but I have backed myself up also some prople on here are also backing me up. so I have obviously got a Scooby Doo as you put it.... Now can we just get back to the topic on hand please? I don't want another topic of mine being looked or deleated... As this does help be when I don't know the area as well as I should! 😁 Plus I have had althority from TfWM themselves to shrae it with other passengers or staff how work with the varius companies.. So actually that's why I'm on here as you say all the while... so whats the saying 'don't shoot the messenger'!! 😁, Which I am the messenger.
If you can answer this then I must be waisting my time!!! 😁 Which I'm obviously not in my opinion!! 😁 Obviously some people on here think I am...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 11:05:15 AM
Plus as I've just said to @karl724223
If you can answer this then I must be waisting my time!!! 😁 Which I'm obviously not in my opinion!! 😁 Obviously some people on here think I am...
But many of those are giving people the idea they can catch buses where they cannot. (35 Moor Street Queensway is the most stupid, any bus along Heartlands Parkway etc)
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 11:12:25 AM
But many of those are giving people the idea they can catch buses where they cannot. (35 Moor Street Queensway is the most stupid, any bus along Heartlands Parkway etc)
Ok
@Tony I did hold my hands up on both of thoes points..
Firstly the 35 operates along Moor Street Queensway
Secondly The X12 & X70 are shown on the map on the timeyable (TfWM edition and not Adam's) as operating along Heartlands Parkway.
Thirdly if there are variations of a route TfWM are of the mind to show the most direct route and if that's voa Heatlands Parkway then that's wjat the do.... I can suggest they just have a little note at bromford and in the city to say it operates different ways between here and the City/Bromford. They may take it on but they may still wahi to show the fastest route. You'd have to take it up with them then!! 😁
Quote from: Pat on January 17, 2021, 09:07:53 AM
It's not so much about the number of observations you've picked up, but more so that it is somewhat unusual that TfWM, the authority whose responsibility it is to produce information, is relying on an enthusiast (who they aren't paying) to check over maps etc in areas in which you yourself are unfamiliar with. There are people in these areas who, like already said, will know every little detail about every route. If you don't know the information you are being asked to check, instead relying on Google etc, how can TfWM and passengers be sure that the map is correct?
I've done some work for WMCA/NWM in the past, and even though I volunteered to do this, I was still given some form of payment for it. I find it strange that even though this is their domain, they still get an unpaid enthusiast to do this.
Although
@Pat I am an enthusiast I do other stuff for TfWM and NX as voluntary. but can't go into any detail.. but they are still greatful for it...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 11:26:02 AM
Ok @Tony I did hold my hands up on both of thoes points..
Firstly the 35 operates along Moor Street Queensway
Secondly The X12 & X70 are shown on the map on the timeyable (TfWM edition and not Adam's) as operating along Heartlands Parkway.
Thirdly if there are variations of a route TfWM are of the mind to show the most direct route and if that's voa Heatlands Parkway then that's wjat the do.... I can suggest they just have a little note at bromford and in the city to say it operates different ways between here and the City/Bromford. They may take it on but they may still wahi to show the fastest route. You'd have to take it up with them then!! 😁
You really need to know what it is like dealing with the general public, I was Pavilions shop manager for 3 years, all you are doing by putting things like the 35 along Moor Street Queensway is causing grief and abuse to front line staff. That is why I am so angry about it. If a bus is shown on a map going down a road people expect to be able to catch or get off a bus there. I have had a member of my staff physically assaulted when trying to explain something similar.
(incidently have you included the other 3 services that do exactly the same as the 35? I don't think there is enough room on the map to print 4 service numbers in about 4mm)
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 11:42:04 AM
You really need to know what it is like dealing with the general public, I was Pavilions shop manager for 3 years, all you are doing by putting things like the 35 along Moor Street Queensway is causing grief and abuse to front line staff. That is why I am so angry about it. If a bus is shown on a map going down a road people expect to be able to catch or get off a bus there. I have had a member of my staff physically assaulted when trying to explain something similar.
(incidently have you included the other 3 services that do exactly the same as the 35? I don't think there is enough room on the map to print 4 service numbers in about 4mm)
As I said though
@Tony I omly suggest the amendmets it's up to them to accept and change it or leave it as it is.
I'm sorry to hear that you've had trouble with passengers when you worked in the travelshop environment and also I'm sorry to hear thay you also had a colleague physically abuse... Again as I say you need to take it up with TfWM and not me as I am only a volunteer snd not everything I say they d take on board.
Plus the fact I was ascing if tge 35 still operated along/served Moor Street Queensway was because I wasn't sure if it had changed at all and to terminate at Markets or somewhere differeny.
I havent sugessted to add the numbers to Moor Street Queensway it was m9re of a case of showing operating along it.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 11:49:28 AM
As I said though @Tony I omly suggest the amendmets it's up to them to accept and change it or leave it as it is.
I'm sorry to hear that you've had trouble with passengers when you worked in the travelshop environment and also I'm sorry to hear thay you also had a colleague physically abuse... Again as I say you need to take it up with TfWM and not me as I am only a volunteer snd not everything I say they d take on board.
And are you recommending the other 3 services that make the same manoeuvre as the 35 on Moor Street Queensway as well?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 11:51:24 AM
And are you recommending the other 3 services that make the same manoeuvre as the 35 on Moor Street Queensway as well?
See statememt above in prevoous post.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 11:53:37 AM
See statememt above in prevoous post.
Do you know the other 3 services?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 11:55:15 AM
Do you know the other 3 services?
Ithey are the
50 to Matpolr/Druids Heath
150 Redditch.
I think 150 anyway.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 11:59:53 AM
Ithey are the
50 to Matpolr/Druids Heath
150 Redditch.
I think 150 anyway.
Yes, those two, but not the other one?
Proves someone else's point about knowledge.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:01:06 PM
Yes, those two, but not the other one?
Proves someone else's point about knowledge.
97..
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:02:40 PM
97..
The knowledge is there I just have to think a little..
So you saying the other persons right.. I have no knowledge at alll? Id beg to differ there. Yes I know on soke route I am rubbish but on theres I'm great. Thats why they include me and allow me to let others have their say.. That's why I'm on here.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:02:40 PM
97..
Yes, so you are going to put a route on Moor Street Queensway that both TfWM and NXWM have advertised as being taken off there by saying it is being cut back to Terminate on Moor Street?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:07:37 PM
Yes, so you are going to put a route on Moor Street Queensway that both TfWM and NXWM have advertised as being taken off there by saying it is being cut back to Terminate on Moor Street?
No I wanted to ask if it had been cut back and not serving Moor Street/Queensway anymore.. Obviously not if your saying it still operates there...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
No I wahted to ask if it had been cut back and not serving Moor Street/ Queensway anymore.. Obviously not if your saying it still operates there...
No it serves Moor Street, but not Moor Street Queensway
On the same subject what about the other end of the 97 & 14 routes, do you intend putting the roads on they have to use to turn around to go back to city?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
No I wanted to ask if it had been cut back and not serving Moor Street/Queensway anymore.. Obviously not if your saying it still operates there...
I have never know anyone who is so intent on conflict, even intent on trying to cause it to people trying to help the general public, see my comments about public facing jobs and your map suggestions
Just out of curiosity, not stirring things up in the slightest:
Suppose a bus finishes service on Moor Street where the 35/50 stop and starts service the other side of the road where the 97 stops.
Now suppose the u-turn facility isn't there and buses on this entirely make-believe route had to turn around by using Carrs Lane, Dale End and Albert Street. Would you suggest this be marked as operating along those roads?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:13:18 PM
No it serves Moor Street, but not Moor Street Queensway
On the same subject what about the other end of the 97 & 14 routes, do you intend putting the roads on they have to use to turn around to go back to city?
No.... As I sated I was just asking abodt the 35 as I wasn't sure if it had changed and no longer serving Moor Street/Queensway. I just wanted to make sure it still uses Moor Street, Moor Street Queensway and the u-turn on Moor Street Queensway. you've answered the question thank you... now sorry if this sounds rude but can we get back on track again!!! 😁 I don't want anybody else posting about another 9 pages of a small argument!! 😁 Sorry
@Tony
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 12:18:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, not stirring things up in the slightest:
Suppose a bus finishes service on Moor Street where the 35/50 stop and starts service the other side of the road where the 97 stops.
Now suppose the u-turn facility isn't there and buses on this entirely make-believe route had to turn around by using Cards Lane, Dale End and Albert Street. Would you suggest this be marked as operating along those roads?
You mean like When Moor Street Queensway was closed last week and to ease congestion on that U-turn the X1 and X2 were sent through the tunnel, along St Martins Queensway, Smallbrook Queensway and U turning at Holloway Circus, or Sutton services can sometimes use Carrs Lane, like they are currently?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
No.... As I sated I was just asking abodt the 35 as I wasn't sure if it had changed and no longer serving Moor Street/Queensway. I just wanted to make sure it still uses Moor Street, Moor Street Queensway and the u-turn on Moor Street Queensway. you've answered the question thank you... now sorry if this sounds rude but can we get back on track again!!! 😁 I don't want anybody else posting about another 9 pages of a small argument!! 😁 Sorry @Tony
And the other end of the 14 and 97 route question?
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2021, 12:18:01 PM
Just out of curiosity, not stirring things up in the slightest:
Suppose a bus finishes service on Moor Street where the 35/50 stop and starts service the other side of the road where the 97 stops.
Now suppose the u-turn facility isn't there and buses on this entirely make-believe route had to turn around by using Carrs Lane, Dale End and Albert Street. Would you suggest this be marked as operating along those roads?
Again no I wouldn't it's only if it on out bound journeys that I am talking about and not inbound... And I'm not suggesting that the 2 services that terminate on the up road of Moor Street should be shown on the Queensway it's just if it operates along the whole road if there's room I'd like to see it mentione in a list of services.. Again I'm not suggeting that moor Street Queensway should show all services listed as I can seee these not enough room on it.. 😁
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:21:26 PM
And the other end of the 14 and 97 route question?
I hope that the post that I've just done to
@Kevin answers you question
@Tony?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:24:44 PM
Again no I wouldn't it's only if it on out bound journeys that I am talking about and not inbound... And I'm not suggesting that the 2 services that terminate on the up road of Moor Street should be shown on the Queensway it's just if it operates along the whole road if there's room I'd like to see it mentione in a list of services.. Again I'm not suggeting that moor Street Queensway should show all services listed as I can seee these not enough room on it.. 😁
So if it uses the first 20m yes if it uses 200m no?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
So if it uses the first 20m yes if it uses 200m no?
When you put it like that
@Tony yes it does sound a bit silly but as it only serves the 200m on inboud journeys I don't think it's worth the hassle but if it's just the 20yrds then yes.. but again I wouldn't list it as I know there's no room to do it... except at the other end of the 97 or 14 route. but again that would be silly as it has to turn around somewhere to start the journey back to the City.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 12:35:09 PM
When you put it like that @Tony except at the other end of the 97 or 14 route. but again that would be silly as it has to turn around somewhere to start the journey back to the City.
So it is silly on the outer end of the route, but a must on the inner end, despite both being just to turn around somewhere to get to the first loading stop?
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
So it is silly on the outer end of the route, but a must on the inner end, despite both being just to turn around somewhere to get to the first loading stop?
Agian as you put it like that.. I can see where you're coming from.. I hold my hands up again.... I haven't suggest it anyway... I was just mearly asking if the 35 sill operated onto Moor Street Queensway.. I didn't expect it to get blown up out of all proportion!! I will now stop it... 😁
Does anybody know what the route of the Coventry 41 is in Willenhall? As the map in the timetable says it serves Dunsmore Avenue, St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Dunsmore Ave and then St James Lane to London Road and does St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Donesmore Avenue, then the loop again via St James Lane back to Dunsmore Avenue and then to Coventry. It can't do that loop twice surely?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Does anybody know what the route of the Coventry 41 is in Willenhall? As the map in the timetable says it serves Dunsmore Avenue, St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Dunsmore Ave and then St James Lane to London Road and does St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Donesmore Avenue, then the loop again via St James Lane back to Donesmore Avenue and then to Coventry. It can't do that loop twice surely?
As a commuter, I'm really worried that TfWM is using people like you to find information for maps and timetables etc. They are supposed to communicate with operators aren't they? And on top of all that you're arguing with someome who quite clearly knows what they're talking about.
Quote from: bususer28 on January 17, 2021, 03:04:32 PM
As a commuter, I'm really worried that TfWM is using people like you to find information for maps and timetables etc. They are supposed to communicate with operators aren't they? And on top of all that you're arguing with someome who quite clearly knows what they're talking about.
@bususer28 They are supposted to konw these things... They also do lease with the operator but they can't alway get things right as I have proved with my 129 observatiins of Birminghamd map... Plus the current timetable for the 41 shows the above route but the area map shows a different route. so which one is the correct one?! 😁
Quote from: bususer28 on January 17, 2021, 03:04:32 PM
As a commuter, I'm really worried that TfWM is using people like you to find information for maps and timetables etc. They are supposed to communicate with operators aren't they? And on top of all that you're arguing with someome who quite clearly knows what they're talking about.
@bususer28 They aren't properly using me.. They probably check that I correct before they amend it and if I'm wrong then it won't get amended.
As stated before mist of my observations have been taken on board... 😁 So I must be doing something right aren't I? 😁
Quote from: bususer28 on January 17, 2021, 03:04:32 PM
As a commuter, I'm really worried that TfWM is using people like you to find information for maps and timetables etc. They are supposed to communicate with operators aren't they? And on top of all that you're arguing with someome who quite clearly knows what they're talking about.
@bususer28 Plus I'm not arguing with them I'm just simply pointing out that they could be wrong!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Does anybody know what the route of the Coventry 41 is in Willenhall? As the map in the timetable says it serves Dunsmore Avenue, St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Dunsmore Ave and then St James Lane to London Road and does St James Lane, Yarningdale Road, Middle Ride, St James Lane, Rememberance Road, Donesmore Avenue, then the loop again via St James Lane back to Dunsmore Avenue and then to Coventry. It can't do that loop twice surely?
It's a circular route.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_05041_%20_H_y11_2-2
It goes from Cov down the London Road to Willenhall, does that loop, then goes and does a full loop of the Stonehouse Estate, then take the route back to Coventry through the Whitely estate (Abbey Road) back to Cov.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 17, 2021, 04:24:24 PM
It's a circular route.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_05041_%20_H_y11_2-2
It goes from Cov down the London Road to Willenhall, does that loop, then goes and does a full loop of the Stonehouse Estate, then take the route back to Coventry through the Whitely estate (Abbey Road) back to Cov.
Thanks
@ellspursDo you know if it does London Road between St James Lane and Chace Ave back towards Cov or does it do the loop in both directions?
I know the web page that you've given above shows it operating along London Road but 'normally' the route would do the same route in both directions and not just in one direction..
Do you also know if the loop at Cannon Park is done in both directions? Or is it a one way loop I think it is a one way look but I can't remember if it is as it's been such a long time since I was last over there...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 04:31:28 PM
Thanks @ellspurs
Do you know if it does London road between St James Lane and Chace Av back towards Cov or does it do the loop in both directions?
I know the web page that you've given above shows it operating along London Road but 'normally' the route would do the same route in both directions and not just in one direction..
Do you also know if the lopp at Cannon Park is done in both directions? Or is it a one way loop I think it is a one way look but I cant remember if it is as it's been such a long time since I was last over...
I have this (my own notes) for service 41:
Pool Meadow, Fairfax Street, Cox Street, Jordan Well, Earl Street, Much Park Street, St Johns Street, Little Park Street, Martyrs Memorial, Ringway St Johns, London Road, Riverside Close, Tonbridge Road, The Avenue, Abbey Road, London Road, Chace Avenue, Dunsmore Avenue, Stretton Avenue, Robin Hood Road, Remembrance Road, St James'Lane, Middle Ride, Yarningale Road, St James'Lane, London Road, Sunbury Road, Sunnybank Avenue, Sedgemoor Road, Stonehouse Lane, London Road, Ashington Grove, Abbey Road, The Avenue, Tonbridge Road, Riverside Close, London Road, Ringway St Johns, Martyrs Memorial, Little Park Street, Earl Street, Jordan Well, Cox Street, Fairfax Street, Pool Meadow Bus Station.
So around Whitley (Tonbridge Rd area etc) inbound and outbound and once around Willenhall Wood/the Stonehouse estate.
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 17, 2021, 05:01:19 PM
I have this (my own notes) for service 41:
Pool Meadow, Fairfax Street, Cox Street, Jordan Well, Earl Street, Much Park Street, St Johns Street, Little Park Street, Martyrs Memorial, Ringway St Johns, London Road, Riverside Close, Tonbridge Road, The Avenue, Abbey Road, London Road, Chace Avenue, Dunsmore Avenue, Stretton Avenue, Robin Hood Road, Remembrance Road, St James'Lane, Middle Ride, Yarningale Road, St James'Lane, London Road, Sunbury Road, Sunnybank Avenue, Sedgemoor Road, Stonehouse Lane, London Road, Ashington Grove, Abbey Road, The Avenue, Tonbridge Road, Riverside Close, London Road, Ringway St Johns, Martyrs Memorial, Little Park Street, Earl Street, Jordan Well, Cox Street, Fairfax Street, Pool Meadow Bus Station.
So around Whitley (Tonbridge Rd area etc) inbound and outbound and once around Willenhall Wood/the Stonehouse estate.
Hi
@paulb1973 What part of Middle Ride does it do? As currently it shows it going lef out of Yarningale Road and rigitr onto St James Lane.. but the timetable show it turning right out of Yarningale Road and left onto St James Lane.
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 05:07:43 PM
Hi @paulb1973
What part of Middle Ride does it do? As currently it shows it going lef out of Yarningale Road and rigitr onto St James Lane.. but the timetable show it turning right out of Yarningale Road and left onto St James Lane.
Thanks in advance.
On its return to the city centre; up Remembrance Rd, left onto St James Lane, right onto Middle Ride (passing the chip shop) most of the way round Middle Ride, then left in Yarningale Rd and left again back onto St James Lane for the short distance to London Road.
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 17, 2021, 07:47:08 PM
On its return to the city centre; up Remembrance Rd, left onto St James Lane, right onto Middle Ride (passing the chip shop) most of the way round Middle Ride, then left in Yarningale Rd and left again back onto St James Lane for the short distance to London Road.
Thanjs
@paulb1973..
So they have got it wrong currently on the Area Map... The timetable is corrrect though..
Must confirm ellspurs is correct on the current 41 route as it was quietly changed again recently to run... From City along the London Rd to the big Willenhall loop Clockwise, then the ACW loop of Stonehouse, Whitley estate is then eventually served on the inbound leg, which frankly must be frustrating for potential elderly passengers around there who may wish to carry some shopping from Cov.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 17, 2021, 08:12:50 PM
Thanjs @paulb1973..
So they have got it wrong currently on the Area Map... The timetable is corrrect though..
The Area Map has it as a right turn onto St James Lane upon leaving Remembrance Rd (outbound) - it should be left and most of the way round Middle Ride etc.
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 17, 2021, 08:47:04 PM
The Area Map has it as a right turn onto St James Lane upon leaving Remembrance Rd (outbound) - it should be left and most of the way round Middle Ride etc.
Sorry
@paulb1973 When I said the area map I meant the timetable map... 😁
Quote from: JPC on January 17, 2021, 08:24:19 PM
Must confirm ellspurs is correct on the current 41 route as it was quietly changed again recently to run... From City along the London Rd to the big Willenhall loop Clockwise, then the ACW loop of Stonehouse, Whitley estate is then eventually served on the inbound leg, which frankly must be frustrating for potential elderly passengers around there who may wish to carry some shopping from Cov.
JPC, so the Whitley segment is only served inbound - I'd better amend my own notes! (the route from the Willenhall terminus to Middle Ride to London Rd, listed above, is right though)..
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 17, 2021, 08:52:32 PM
JPC, so the Whitley segment is only served inbound - I'd better amend my own notes! (the route from the Willenhall terminus to Middle Ride to London Rd, listed above, is right though)..
Yes, I've made an adjustment to your route description....
Pool Meadow, Fairfax Street, Cox Street, Jordan Well, Much Park Street, St Johns Street, Little Park Street, Martyrs Memorial, Ringway St Johns, London Road, Chace Avenue, Dunsmore Avenue, Stretton Avenue, Robin Hood Road, Remembrance Road, St James' Lane, Middle Ride (eastern segment), Yarningale Road, St James' Lane, London Road, Sunbury Road, Sunnybank Avenue, Sedgemoor Road, Stonehouse Lane, London Road, Ashington Grove, Abbey Road, The Avenue, Tonbridge Road, Riverside Close, London Road, Ringway St Johns, Martyrs Memorial, Little Park Street, Earl Street, Jordan Well, Cox Street, Fairfax Street, Pool Meadow Bus Station.
I suppose the right turn from Abbey Rd to London Rd being very dangerous is one reason Whitley estate was dropped from the outward route.
Quote from: JPC on January 17, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
Yes, I've made an adjustment to your route description....
Pool Meadow, Fairfax Street, Cox Street, Jordan Well, Much Park Street, St Johns Street, Little Park Street, Martyrs Memorial, Ringway St Johns, London Road, Chace Avenue, Dunsmore Avenue, Stretton Avenue, Robin Hood Road, Remembrance Road, St James' Lane, Middle Ride (eastern segment), Yarningale Road, St James' Lane, London Road, Sunbury Road, Sunnybank Avenue, Sedgemoor Road, Stonehouse Lane, London Road, Ashington Grove, Abbey Road, The Avenue, Tonbridge Road, Riverside Close, London Road, Ringway St Johns, Martyrs Memorial, Little Park Street, Earl Street, Jordan Well, Cox Street, Fairfax Street, Pool Meadow Bus Station.
I suppose the right turn from Abbey Rd to London Rd being very dangerous is one reason Whitley estate was dropped from the outward route.
This service only runs 3 times a day (a minibus at that) Monday to Friday! But it serves a purpose I suppose.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 17, 2021, 09:05:51 AM
Yeah, they're excelling at that at the moment.
From their website, the "upcoming bus changes" hasn't been updated since the 11th of March, 2020.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/buses/upcoming-bus-changes/
They also have this buried under the "current travel advice" heading, which is just telling people to check the individual operator's website for details. Before this update, the last update I saw on here was regarding the extending of the A10 from Cranes Park over the 91 route into Chelmsley Wood. This information should be on the "upcoming bus changes" page. There's been no mention on here of Chaserider overtaking the Arriva services in the Walsall/Brownhills/Wolverhampton areas.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/current-travel-advice/bus-updates-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
TfWM need to do a better job at communicating and updating their information. Most of the things I've seen been mentioned to @Bus Man K2 here have actually been incorporated into those maps (like the reinstatement of the 94 service that got removed when Claribels withdrew their service), so it is actually making a difference, highlighting that TfWM needs to get a grip on it.
To everyone who hates me posting on here. If this isn't testiment of what I do I don't know what is?
I will be doing the last little bit of Coventry tomorrow.. I will then start on Wolverhampton and possibly Walsall.. So the 1 and 2E will be mentioned on my observations...
Again I don't mean to come across arsey but if people still think I'm wasting my time posing here then you may as well lock all my topics andblock me. Which I'm not saying to do that... 😁 I am only trying to make passenger information from TfWM better. Like everyone else wants to do...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 18, 2021, 06:13:27 PM
To everyone who hates me posting on here. If this isn't testiment of what I do I don't know what is?
I will be doing the last little bit of Coventry tomorrow.. I will then start on Wolverhampton and possibly Walsall.. So the 1 and 2E will be mentioned on my observations...
Again I don't mean to come across arsey but if people still think I'm wasting my time posing here then you may as well lock all my topics andblock me. Which I'm not saying to do that... 😁 I am only trying to make passenger information from TfWM better. Like everyone else wants to do...
At least I can be of some help tomorrow regarding Wolverhampton...
Quote from: Pat on January 18, 2021, 06:47:26 PM
At least I can be of some help tomorrow regarding Wolverhampton...
Yes that would be great.. Thanks
@Pat.. I wasn't trying to start another argument or get this topic locked.... I was just fed up of all the negative posts... Lets hope that this will be the end and we can get back to some sort of normality.., I know some of the augments were fuled be my thoughts... but I dont think before I speek!!!😁
Does anybody know if the Johnsons 88 service serves the JLR site at Fen End?
Thanks in advance
Regards
Bus Man K2
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 12:58:01 PM
Does anybody know if the Johnsons 88 service serves the JLR site at Fen End?
Thanks in advance
Regards
Bus Man K2
88 yes, 88a no:
https://www.johnsonscoaches.co.uk/contentfiles/files/87%2087A%2088%2088A%20(Sept%202020).pdf
Quote from: ellspurs on January 19, 2021, 01:16:40 PM
88 yes, 88a no:
https://www.johnsonscoaches.co.uk/contentfiles/files/87%2087A%2088%2088A%20(Sept%202020).pdf
Thanks
@ellspurs.
Much appreciated...
I assume the 87A doesn't though?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 01:38:16 PM
Thanks @ellspurs.
Much appreciated...
I assume the 87A doesn't though?
It doesn't.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_3287A_%20_H_y11_3-3
EDIT: the 87a is literally the "87 that doesn't go to the JLR site" that runs as the last service of the day. It only runs Coventry to Solihull so you may need to use your snazzy arrows if you're representing it on the map.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 19, 2021, 02:03:41 PM
It doesn't.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_3287A_%20_H_y11_3-3
EDIT: the 87a is literally the "87 that doesn't go to the JLR site" that runs as the last service of the day. It only runs Coventry to Solihull so you may need to use your snazzy arrows if you're representing it on the map.
@ellspurs The arrows already exist.
Does the 86 run both ways along Fen End Road, Honiley Road & Holly Lane, also does it run both directions along Alder Lane?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 02:16:37 PM
@ellspurs
The arrows already exist.
Does the 86 run both ways along Fen End Road, Honiley Road & Holly Lane, also does it run both directions along Alder Lane?
The 86... goes nowhere near those roads?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_39086_%20_H_y11_19-19
Quote from: ellspurs on January 19, 2021, 02:18:57 PM
The 86... goes nowhere near those roads?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_39086_%20_H_y11_19-19
Typo shouls have said the 87 sorry
@ellspurs
Ok
@Pat and everyone else I am now on Wolverhampton..any observations please? all are welcom.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 02:45:49 PM
Ok @Pat and everyone else I am now on Wolverhampton..any observations please? all are welcom.
- 53 to Rocketpool is currently shown as departing from stand B at the bus station. This is incorrect, as it departs from Stand J.
- Stand UL is still on the map, nothing uses that stop now. It was only really used on the odd occasion as an alighting point for Banga services, but that doesn't happen now.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 03:08:09 PM
- 53 to Rocketpool is currently shown as departing from stand B at the bus station. This is incorrect, as it departs from Stand J.
- Stand UL is still on the map, nothing uses that stop now. It was only really used on the odd occasion as an alighting point for Banga services, but that doesn't happen now.
I assume you're talking about the CC map
@Pat? I was thinking of the Area map personally But tthis is a valid point. I'll add it in.
Does the 2 run Clockwise in Bushbury Hill & Warstones.
Does the 3 run clockwise around Castlecroft?
Does the 4 serve the Business Park ay Pendeford or not?
Does the 11 run anti-clockwise around Underhill?
I think that should start me off! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 03:15:11 PM
I assume you're talking about the CC map @Pat? I was thinking of the Area map personally But tthis is a valid point. I'll add it in.
Does the 2 run Clockwise in Bushbury Hill & Warstones.
Does the 3 run clockwise around Castlecroft?
Does the 4 serve the Business Park ay Pendeford or not?
Does the 11 run anti-clockwise around Underhill?
I think that should start me off! 😁
2 clockwise, 3 anti-clockwise, 4 doesn't serve the trading estate and 11 runs anti clockwise at Underhill (both operators)
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 04:24:23 PM
2 clockwise, 3 anti-clockwise, 4 doesn't serve the trading estate and 11 runs anti clockwise at Underhill (both operators)
so its as follows then..
2 East Croft Road onto Enville Road to Warstones
return
Enville Road, East Croft Road from Warstones.
3
Towards Castlecroft
finchfield Road West, Windmill Lane, Castlecroft (terminus road) whatever the name of that road is?!! 😁
From Castlecroft.
terminus road, Castlecroft Road, Finchfield Road.
4 I thought it didn't do the Business Park..so O was right!! 😁
11
To Underhill
Tennyson Road, right Wildtree Avenue, left West Croft Ave
Towards Wolvo sorry (Wolverhampton for those who don't like the saying Wolvo!)
Westcroft Avenue, left Underhill Lane, Left Edghill Avenue, onto Wildtree Ave then right Tennyson Road.
Thanks
@Pat
Can anybody confirm if the 5A still operates in Wolverhampton and if not is is lt temp withdrawn or properly withdrawn?
Also can anybody confirm if the 6 & 6A in Blakeley Green still does the loop. To Wobaston via Green Lane part of Aldersley Ave back onto Green lane then Pendeford Ave and returning via Pendeford Ave and Aldersley Ave onto Green Lane?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 04:44:18 PM
so its as follows then..
2 East Croft Road onto Enville Road to Warstones
return
Enville Road, East Croft Road from Warstones.
3
Towards Castlecroft
finchfield Road West, Windmill Lane, Castlecroft (terminus road) whatever the name of that road is?!! 😁
From Castlecroft.
terminus road, Castlecroft Road, Finchfield Road.
4 I thought it didn't do the Business Park..so O was right!! 😁
11
To Underhill
Tennyson Road, right Wildtree Avenue, left West Croft Ave
Towards Wolvo sorry (Wolverhampton for those who don't like the saying Wolvo!)
Westcroft Avenue, left Underhill Lane, Left Edghill Avenue, onto Wildtree Ave then right Tennyson Road.
Thanks @Pat
The 3 does Castlecroft Rd, Castlecroft Ave (terminus), Windmill Lane, Castlecroft Road.
5A is permanently withdrawn.
6/A doesn't do any loop round Aldersley. Towards Wobaston: Aldersley Ave, Green Ln, Pendeford Ave. Same towards Wolves.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 02:24:05 PM
Typo shouls have said the 87 sorry @ellspurs
Just to finish this one off (no need to reply).
The 87 doesn't do any looping around the Balsall Common area. It runs in both directions along Fen End Road, Honiley Road & Holly Lane. It does
not serve Alder Lane at all.
Sorry to butt in, Pat.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 05:13:58 PM
The 3 does Castlecroft Rd, Castlecroft Ave (terminus), Windmill Lane, Castlecroft Road.
5A is permanently withdrawn.
6/A doesn't do any loop round Aldersley. Towards Wobaston: Aldersley Ave, Green Ln, Pendeford Ave. Same towards Wolves.
Thanks
@Pat for the clarification on the 6, and 3.I read it as Anti-Clockwise for the 3 which is the route I explained!!😁 Sorry!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 05:24:16 PM
Thanks @Pat for the clarification on the 6, and 3.I read it as Anti-Clockwise for the 3 which is the route I explained!!😁 Sorry!
No worries👍
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 05:29:56 PM
No worries👍
Hi
@Pat just re-read the original post that you sent and it did say Anti-Clockwise wise for the 3... So which is it? 😁 As the Anti-Clockwise loop would be the one that I mentioned but as you stated in the last post iit goes clockwise.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 19, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
Just to finish this one off (no need to reply).
The 87 doesn't do any looping around the Balsall Common area. It runs in both directions along Fen End Road, Honiley Road & Holly Lane. It does not serve Alder Lane at all.
Sorry to butt in, Pat.
Hi
@ellspurs I wanted to reply.
Is Alder Lane opposite Holly Lane? Only as looking at the TfWM timetable it shows Balsall Street East as the road that on the area map says Alder Lane.
@PatDo any services serve Fryer Street and stop AG?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 05:38:34 PM
Hi @Pat just re-read the original post that you sent and it did say Anti-Clockwise wise for the 3... So which is it? 😁 As the Anti-Clockwise loop would be the one that I mentioned but as you stated in the last post iit goes clockwise.
Sorry, my mistake. It goes clockwise round Castlecroft via the route I mentioned.
Fryer Street isn't served by anything. Only used by TEX 1 to turn round back to Tettenhall and occasionally the 891 to get into the bus station, before the new one way routing.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 07:01:25 PM
Sorry, my mistake. It goes clockwise round Castlecroft via the route I mentioned.
Fryer Street isn't served by anything. Only used by TEX 1 to turn round back to Tettenhall and occasionally the 891 to get into the bus station, before the new one way routing.
@Pat I heard that the TEX service does the same route as the NX service. This meaning it operates from Bilston St not Lichfield Street.
Ok about the route of the 3..
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 07:13:40 PM
@Pat
I heard that the TEX service does the same route as the NX service. This meaning it operates from Bilston St not Lichfield Street.
Ok about the route of the 3..
No. The TEX service starts from Lichfield Street. It is only going down Bilston Street currently due to the one way system in place, meaning it can't operate its normal line of route along Darlington Street and Queen Square on inbound journeys. It doesn't serve Bilston Street, only boarding passengers at Lichfield Street.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
No. The TEX service starts from Lichfield Street. It is only going down Bilston Street currently due to the one way system in place, meaning it can't operate its normal line of route along Darlington Street and Queen Square on inbound journeys. It doesn't serve Bilston Street, only boarding passengers at Lichfield Street.
@Pat Oh ok...
It's only that I heard it does the same as the NX one. And if you look at the thimetable on the NWM site it shws it as starting from the Police Station. So you coul bord at the Police station if you wanted to now....I don't know if it'll ever go back to normal! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
@Pat
Oh ok...
It's only that I heard it does the same as the NX one. And if you look at the thimetable on the NWM site it shws it as starting from the Police Station. So you coul bord at the Police station if you wanted to now....I don't know if it'll ever go back to normal! 😁
It very rarely went to the police station, most of their drivers would do a quick turn around somewhere near Stafford Street to sit on Lichfield Street until an NXWM bus pulled up behind then leave just in front
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
It very rarely went to the police station, most of their drivers would do a quick turn around somewhere near Stafford Street to sit on Lichfield Street until an NXWM bus pulled up behind then leave just in front
Hi
@TonyI see where your coming from, however I'm only going on what I can see on the NWM website and also from what I've heard... In 'normal times' yes it probably did do the route that you and
@Pat say... but at the moment it's not 'normal times'.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 08:04:49 PM
Hi @Tony
I see where your coming from, however I'm only going on what I can see on the NWM website and also from what I've heard... In 'normal times' yes it probably did do the route that you and @Pat say... but at the moment it's not 'normal times'.
I know on that one, the map should show the registered route, but 'registered' and 'Travel Express' don't very often match
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2021, 08:05:57 PM
I know on that one, the map should show the registered route, but 'registered' and 'Travel Express' don't very often match
They probably have regestered it from the Police Station and that's why it timetable from there.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
@Pat
Oh ok...
It's only that I heard it does the same as the NX one. And if you look at the thimetable on the NWM site it shws it as starting from the Police Station. So you coul bord at the Police station if you wanted to now....I don't know if it'll ever go back to normal! 😁
Like Tony says, 'Travel Express' and 'registered' don't mix well. During normal times, they operate from Lichfield Street, adjacent to The Grand. I didn't realise that they were starting from Bilston Street during current times, however, it's best to just leave the map as it is, without changing it to Bilston Street, as there's no point changing it for it to be changed back again. I'd only seen them operating via Bilston Street and Pipers Row, but haven't seen them actually stop there.
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 08:44:30 PM
Like Tony says, 'Travel Express' and 'registered' don't mix well. During normal times, they operate from Lichfield Street, adjacent to The Grand. I didn't realise that they were starting from Bilston Street during current times, however, it's best to just leave the map as it is, without changing it to Bilston Street, as there's no point changing it for it to be changed back again. I'd only seen them operating via Bilston Street and Pipers Row, but haven't seen them actually stop there.
I can understand that!!! 😁 Yep in current times they registered it as starting from Biilston Street.So that's the only reason whyI sort of aurguing!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 08:50:20 PM
I can understand that!!! 😁 Yep in current times they registered it as starting from Biilston Street.So that's the only reason whyI sort of aurguing!! 😁
Yes, I don't know why they registered to start from Bilston Street. To be honest, people on the Tettenhall Road don't really know who they are. They're just known as 'the little bus'. It's always ENCTS who use it, except at school kicking out time where it's full of students.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 19, 2021, 05:43:25 PM
Hi @ellspurs I wanted to reply.
Is Alder Lane opposite Holly Lane? Only as looking at the TfWM timetable it shows Balsall Street East as the road that on the area map says Alder Lane.
The road to the left is Balsall Street East. Alder Lane is when you go right at that junction up to the crossroads. The bus doesn't serve that bit.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 20, 2021, 02:33:37 AM
The road to the left is Balsall Street East. Alder Lane is when you go right at that junction up to the crossroads. The bus doesn't serve that bit.
Hi
@ellspursI assume the crossroad you're talking about is The Kenilworth Road one? 😁 Thanks for all the help... I do really appreciate it....
Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2021, 08:53:05 PM
Yes, I don't know why they registered to start from Bilston Street. To be honest, people on the Tettenhall Road don't really know who they are. They're just known as 'the little bus'. It's always ENCTS who use it, except at school kicking out time where it's full of students.
@Pat I'll leave Fryer Street highlighted then.. As I would have said to them to take it off... unles you say otherwise? 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 07:48:09 AM
@Pat
I'll leave Fryer Street highlighted then.. As I would have said to them to take it off... unles you say otherwise? 😁
No, i'd take it off. People will just think that they can get on a bus there, when they can't. As TEX and NX operate the same route on the 1, i'd just have an identification that the TEX 1 starts from Lichfield Street.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 10:34:52 AM
No, i'd take it off. People will just think that they can get on a bus there, when they can't. As TEX and NX operate the same route on the 1, i'd just have an identification that the TEX 1 starts from Lichfield Street.
Hi
@PatOk.. I'll ask for it to be taken off... Do you think when everytging goes back to 'normal' that TEX will start the 1 operating from Lichfield St and not the Police Station..
Also to everyone on here do you think it would help to have all services mentioned on the area maps i.e. School services as well? I'm only thinking outside the box, or should I stop that!! 😁
Just quickly going back to Coventry. Can anybody confirm what the flexibus 233 does from Red Lane in Burton Green to Balsall Common? May be
@ellspurs may be able to help with this one?
Only as the current map shows the following route.
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Duggins Lane, Nailcote Lane, Waste Lane, Kelsey Lane, Kenilworth Road, Station Road & Balsall Street East/Balsall Street.
But the map on the WMN website timetable page shows the following:-
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Tanners Lane, Spencers Lane, Truggist Lane, Station Avenue, Balsall StreetEast/Balsall Street.
Which route is correct?
Also I have made a suggestion for the 55A route as it seems to go the following route according to WMN website map.:-
Wheelwright Lane, Winding House Lane, Central Boulevard, Bennetts Road, Bennetts Road North, Howat Road, Charity Road, Somers Road, Parkfield Road, Exhall Road, New Road onto Ash Green Lane/Royal Oak Lane to Nuneaton.
&
New Road, Exhall Road, Bennets Road, Central Boulevard, Winfing House Lane, Wheelwright Lane to Coventry.
The suggestion is to add a note under the current numbers along that part of the route to say which way it's operating...
What does everyone think...especially
@ellspurs or
@Adam 404?
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 11:06:48 AM
Hi @Pat
Ok.. I'll ask for it to be taken off... Do you think when everytging goes back to 'normal' that TEX will start the 1 operating from Lichfield St and not the Police Station..
Also to everyone on here do you think it would help to have all services mentioned on the area maps i.e. School services as well? I'm only thinking outside the box, or should I stop that!! 😁
I'm presuming they will do, but the timetable will no doubt still say Bilston Street, knowing TEX.
With regards to school services, I think it's best to just leave them off. Joe Public isn't going to want to get on a bus that's loaded with schoolkids.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
I'm presuming they will do, but the timetable will no doubt still say Bilston Street, knowing TEX.
With regards to school services, I think it's best to just leave them off. Joe Public isn't going to want to get on a bus that's loaded with schoolkids.
Ok about the School Services.... I won't mention them on the maps then....
@Pat or
@Tony Does the 10/10A/10B still do the loop of the city?
Also at Perton does it still do the Parkway clockwise?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 12:39:54 PM
@Pat or @Tony
Does the 10/10A/10B still do the loop of the city?
Also at Perton does it still do the Parkway clockwise?
No, they go straight up Darlington Street, Queen Square, Princess Sq, Broad Street and then up the bus only road into the bus station.
In Perton, they still do The Parkway clockwise, as far as Coleridge Drive. 10A/B then backtrack to the Stephenson Drive roundabout, taking the second exit there and following the road until Wrottesley Park Road.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 01:09:03 PM
No, they go straight up Darlington Street, Queen Square, Princess Sq, Broad Street and then up the bus only road into the bus station.
In Perton, they still do The Parkway clockwise, as far as Coleridge Drive. 10A/B then backtrack to the Stephenson Drive roundabout, taking the second exit there and following the road until Wrottesley Park Road.
@PatWhen did they go back to using Darlington Street in both directions? As far as I know though they don't serve any stops on Datlington Street and Lichfield St?
As far as I'm aware they show operate Dalington Street as far as Schools Street then does a loopto the Bus station via School Street, Cleveland Street, Garrick Street, Bilsyon Street then the bus lane to the bis station.
P. s. thanks for the route in Perton.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 01:20:55 PM
@Pat
When did they go back to using Darlington Street in both directions? As far as I know though they don't serve any stops on Datlington Street and Lichfield St?
As far as I'm aware they show operate Dalington Street as far as Schools Street then does a loopto the Bus station via School Street, Cleveland Street, Garrick Street, Bilsyon Street then the bus lane to the bis station.
P. s. thanks for the route in Perton.
They're using that route for the moment, like everything coming from that side of town into the City Centre.
Quote from: Pat on January 20, 2021, 01:54:07 PM
They're using that route for the moment, like everything coming from that side of town into the City Centre.
@PatThanks
Do you konw when it'll go back to 'normal' if ever?!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Just quickly going back to Coventry. Can anybody confirm what the flexibus 233 does from Red Lane in Burton Green to Balsall Common? May be @ellspurs may be able to help with this one?
Only as the current map shows the following route.
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Duggins Lane, Nailcote Lane, Waste Lane, Kelsey Lane, Kenilworth Road, Station Road & Balsall Street East/Balsall Street.
But the map on the WMN website timetable page shows the following:-
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Tanners Lane, Spencers Lane, Truggist Lane, Station Avenue, Balsall StreetEast/Balsall Street.
Which route is correct?
Also I have made a suggestion for the 55A route as it seems to go the following route according to WMN website map.:-
Wheelwright Lane, Winding House Lane, Central Boulevard, Bennetts Road, Bennetts Road North, Howat Road, Charity Road, Somers Road, Parkfield Road, Exhall Road, New Road onto Ash Green Lane/Royal Oak Lane to Nuneaton.
&
New Road, Exhall Road, Bennets Road, Central Boulevard, Winfing House Lane, Wheelwright Lane to Coventry.
The suggestion is to add a note under the current numbers along that part of the route to say which way it's operating...
What does everyone think...especially @ellspurs or @Adam 404?
Thanks in advance.
Also does anyone know what route does the 79 do in Kerseley? As the map on thwe timetable page on WMN's website shows a little detour via Mercers Meadow but google don't have it operating that little detour.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 03:15:46 PM
@Pat
Thanks
Do you konw when it'll go back to 'normal' if ever?!! 😁
Whenever WCC decide!
Does anybody also know if there are journeys on the 48 that still serve Johnson Road?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 03:29:45 PM
Also does anyone know what route does the 79 do in Kerseley? As the map on the timetable page on WMN's website shows a little detour via Mercers Meadow but google don't have it operating that little detour.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 04:14:24 PM
Does anybody also know if there are journeys on the 48 that still serve Johnson Road?
79 is a clockwise loop of Exhall Rd, Bennetts Rd North, Howat Rd, Charity Rd, Somers Rd, Parkfield Rd, Exhall Rd.
That detour is just the system incorrectly guessing the route - it just thinks the bus stop is located within the Croft off Mercers Meadow. ::)
The first Weekday and Sunday 48C journey towards Coventry is via Marston Lane & Johnson Road, Another early Sun journey from Coventry also terminates there by doing clockwise loop then returns to Cov.
Quote from: JPC on January 20, 2021, 05:40:31 PM
79 is a clockwise loop of Exhall Rd, Bennetts Rd North, Howat Rd, Charity Rd, Somers Rd, Parkfield Rd, Exhall Rd.
That detour is just the system incorrectly guessing the route - it just thinks the bus stop is located within the Croft off Mercers Meadow. ::)
The first Weekday and Sunday 48C journey towards Coventry is via Marston Lane & Johnson Road, Another early Sun journey from Coventry also terminates there by doing clockwise loop then returns to Cov.
Hi
@JPCthanks for the info.
I am right in thinking that the 79 then terminates on Charity Road/Somers Road?
So the 48 that is mentioned on Johnson Road should be there then...But changed to the 48C now?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 05:48:59 PM
I am right in thinking that the 79 then terminates on Charity Road/Somers Road?
So the 48 that is mentioned on Johnson Road should be there then...But changed to the 48C now?
The 79 uses the stop on Exhall Road (opp Beaumont Road) to wait time, reset blind to the other direction. etc
Yes, the service is currently numbered 48C between Coventry & Nuneaton (i.e through journeys to Atherstone or Leicester no longer possible).
Quote from: JPC on January 20, 2021, 06:13:53 PM
The 79 uses the stop on Exhall Road (opp Beaumont Road) to wait time, reset blind to the other direction. etc
Yes, the service is currently numbered 48C between Coventry & Nuneaton (i.e through journeys to Atherstone or Leicester no longer possible).
@JPC Thanks
So the 79 terminats on Exhall Road but then does the loop via Bennetts Road North, Howat Road, Charity Road, Somers Road, Parkfield Road and back to Exhall Road.
is it a separate route from Nuneaton to Atherstone or Leicester now? 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 11:22:18 AM
Just quickly going back to Coventry. Can anybody confirm what the flexibus 233 does from Red Lane in Burton Green to Balsall Common? May be @ellspurs may be able to help with this one?
Only as the current map shows the following route.
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Duggins Lane, Nailcote Lane, Waste Lane, Kelsey Lane, Kenilworth Road, Station Road & Balsall Street East/Balsall Street.
But the map on the WMN website timetable page shows the following:-
Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Tanners Lane, Spencers Lane, Truggist Lane, Station Avenue, Balsall StreetEast/Balsall Street.
Which route is correct?
Also I have made a suggestion for the 55A route as it seems to go the following route according to WMN website map.:-
Wheelwright Lane, Winding House Lane, Central Boulevard, Bennetts Road, Bennetts Road North, Howat Road, Charity Road, Somers Road, Parkfield Road, Exhall Road, New Road onto Ash Green Lane/Royal Oak Lane to Nuneaton.
&
New Road, Exhall Road, Bennets Road, Central Boulevard, Winfing House Lane, Wheelwright Lane to Coventry.
The suggestion is to add a note under the current numbers along that part of the route to say which way it's operating...
What does everyone think...especially @ellspurs or @Adam 404?
Thanks in advance.
For the 233, Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Tanners Lane, Spencers Lane, Truggist Lane, Station Avenue, Balsall StreetEast/Balsall Street. is correct.
For the 55a, I am just going to throw my hands in the air. The 4 Coventry - Nuneaton journeys all take a different route. 2 of the 4 Nuneaton - Coventry journeys follow the same route, but then one of the other ones randomly starts in Hinckley!
For those, use the timetable to work out what roads they serve and just throw the "occasional journeys" sign on them all.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 06:27:27 PM
@JPC Thanks
So the 79 terminats on Exhall Road but then does the loop via Bennetts Road North, Howat Road, Charity Road, Somers Road, Parkfield Road and back to Exhall Road.
is it a separate route from Nuneaton to Atherstone or Leicester now? 😁
For the purposes of the map, 48C currently runs Coventry - Nuneaton.
48A runs Nuneaton to Atherstone and 48L runs Nuneaton to Leicester.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 20, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
For the 233, Red Lane, Cornwall Lane, Station Avenue, Tanners Lane, Spencers Lane, Truggist Lane, Station Avenue, Balsall StreetEast/Balsall Street. is correct.
For the 55a, I am just going to throw my hands in the air. The 4 Coventry - Nuneaton journeys all take a different route. 2 of the 4 Nuneaton - Coventry journeys follow the same route, but then one of the other ones randomly starts in Hinckley!
For those, use the timetable to work out what roads they serve and just throw the "occasional journeys" sign on them all.
For the purposes of the map, 48C currently runs Coventry - Nuneaton.
48A runs Nuneaton to Atherstone and 48L runs Nuneaton to Leicester.
Hi
@ellspursI did say that I was going to suggest that the 4 journeys that do the different routes to include the words to Nuneaton or to Coventry.. What do you think about that?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 20, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Hi @ellspurs
I did say that I was going to suggest that the 4 journeys that do the different routes to include the words to Nuneaton or to Coventry.. What do you think about that?
Well either the words or the usual arrows would probably be appropriate.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 20, 2021, 06:46:50 PM
Well either the words or the usual arrows would probably be appropriate.
I might suggest both options. so they can choose...
Plus I am right in thinking that they do Parkfield Road & the loop of Kerseley to Nuneaton only and Exhall Road to Coventry?
Quote from: ellspurs on January 20, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
...
For the purposes of the map, 48C currently runs Coventry - Nuneaton.
48A runs Nuneaton to Atherstone and 48L runs Nuneaton to Leicester.
Isn't that just a Covid-19 thing? Is it then even worth marking the number as 48C on the Coventry map?
Quote from: Kevin on January 20, 2021, 06:56:14 PM
Isn't that just a Covid-19 thing? Is it then even worth marking the number as 48C on the Coventry map?
Well, it's been in place for at least the last 9 months now. If the map is being updated online, may as well keep it up to date with what is currently running.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 20, 2021, 07:31:43 PM
Well, it's been in place for at least the last 9 months now. If the map is being updated online, may as well keep it up to date with what is currently running.
I'm with you
@ellspurs.. I'd like to see every route on them even if it's not a 'public' bus service.... but I can see why they haven't put them on in the first place.. The map is also being updated to be produced and printed... not only on the website.
Quote from: Kevin on January 20, 2021, 06:56:14 PM
Isn't that just a Covid-19 thing? Is it then even worth marking the number as 48C on the Coventry map?
Hi
@Kevin Who knows if Stagecoach will revert to using the old number when everything goes back to 'normal'.
Anybody else found any mis-prints in the Wolverhampton area map? That inclusmdes you
@Pat!! 😁
@Pat do you know are there any services that serve Blackhalve Lane between Blackeood Ave & Pear Tree Lane/Long Knowle Lane?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 11:39:16 AM
Anybody else found any mis-prints in the Wolverhampton area map? That inclusmdes you @Pat!! 😁
@Pat do you know are there any services that serve Blackhalve Lane between Blackeood Ave & Pear Tree Lane/Long Knowle Lane?
No, no stops they're. The 65 carries on straight up Belton Avenue, whilst the 71 carries on along Blackhalve Lane
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 12:12:20 PM
No, no stops they're. The 65 carries on straight up Belton Avenue, whilst the 71 carries on along Blackhalve Lane
Hi
@Pat according ro Google maps certain journeys on the 71 do that section.. Have you ever seen these journeys happen?? I know I can't trust Google but that's what I'm used to using!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 01:02:08 PM
Hi @Pat according ro Google maps certain journeys on the 71 do that section.. Have you ever seen these journeys happen?? I know I can't trust Google but that's what I'm used to using!!
The 71 has a few variations, here's the timetable:
https://0cbd1818-e65c-4bb0-9a26-f5786b10e273.filesusr.com/ugd/8e2b7f_297c8d243ba44e458d97ed66e961a166.pdf
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 01:18:42 PM
There are some 71 journeys that do go down there, yes. The 71 has a few variations, here's the timetable:
https://0cbd1818-e65c-4bb0-9a26-f5786b10e273.filesusr.com/ugd/8e2b7f_297c8d243ba44e458d97ed66e961a166.pdf
Thanks for the timetable... do you think it should be shown on that part of the road? Much like what is shown on the Cannock Road..
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
Thanks for the timetable... do you think it should be shown on that part of the road? Much like what is shown on the Cannock Road..
There is 1 variation that goes down there, towards Wolverhampton only. Most go either via Wednesfield or via Cannock Rd, so maybe show it in a different colour/style? It's the 0700 journey from Cannock
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 01:34:30 PM
There is 1 variation that goes down there, towards Wolverhampton only. Most go either via Wednesfield or via Cannock Rd, so maybe show it in a different colour/style? It's the 0700 journey from Cannock
How does the 71 get from Blackhalve Lane to Cannock Road normally on other journeys, unless they operate as the 71A all the way down Cannock Road?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 02:20:39 PM
How does the 71 get from Blackhalve Lane to Cannock Road normally on other journeys, unless they operate as the 71A all the way down Cannock Road?
The 0700 from Cannock goes down Blackhalve Lane, past Lidl at The Scotlands, then takes the 1st exit on the roundabout down Cannock Road. No journeys towards Cannock operate Blackhalve Lane & Cannock Road
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 02:41:38 PM
The 0700 from Cannock goes down Blackhalve Lane, past Lidl at The Scotlands, then takes the 1st exit on the roundabout down Cannock Road. No journeys towards Cannock operate Blackhalve Lane & Cannock Road
I have added that one now... Any others? That goes to anybody else, as well! 😁
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 02:41:38 PM
The 0700 from Cannock goes down Blackhalve Lane, past Lidl at The Scotlands, then takes the 1st exit on the roundabout down Cannock Road. No journeys towards Cannock operate Blackhalve Lane & Cannock Road
Hi
@Pat have added that comment...
Do you know if the 530 DIA service still uses Tower Street, Market Street, Bilston Street? I though it does Pipers Row to Bilston St?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Hi @Pat have added that comment...
Do you know if the 530 DIA service still uses Tower Street, Market Street, Bilston Street? I though it does Pipers Row to Bilston St?
No, Diamond don't use Tower Street (and neither do Banga for that matter). From the Bus Station, they exit left onto Pipers Row and left Bilston Street. Banga's 0630 service (that runs from the bus station) uses that route too.
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
No, Diamond don't use Tower Street (and neither do Banga for that matter). From the Bus Station, they exit left onto Pipers Row and left Bilston Street. Banga's 0630 service (that runs from the bus station) uses that route too.
I thought so. I also thing inbound daytime jrnys operate via St Georges Parade and Garrick St don't they
@Pat?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 21, 2021, 07:12:06 PM
I thought so. I also thing inbound daytime jrnys operate via St Georges Parade and Garrick St don't they @Pat?
Yes, inbound 530s and 545s operate via St George's & Garrick Street. They don't set down at St George's, only the stand on Bilston Street.
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 07:33:46 PM
Yes, inbound 530s and 545s operate via St George's & Garrick Street. They don't set down at St George's, only the stand on Bilston Street.
Thanks
@Pat I thought so.... anymore observations??? I'm currently up to the 57 timetable..
Does anybody know in Tettenhall is there a road called Wood Road High? If there is does it go into Wood Road then Church Road?
Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Does anybody know in Tettenhall is there a road called Wood Road High? If there is does it go into Wood Road then Church Road?
Thanks in advance.
No, that's completely wrong. High Street, by the green, becomes Wood Road adjacent to the college. Wood Road doesn't become Church Road at all.
Also how does the 63 route run now? as according to the timetable it serves Victoria St in both directions. Now I know there's a one way loop in operation at the moment.... but how does this affect the 63?
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 10:48:16 AM
No, that's completely wrong. High Street, by the green, becomes Wood Road adjacent to the college. Wood Road doesn't become Church Road at all.
@Pat Church Road is at the bottom of Wood Road isn't it? Which then goes into the Holloway and onto Henwood Road/Compton Road.
Wheres the college on that road (is it called Nuffield Hospital)?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
@Pat
Church Road is at the bottom of Wood Road isn't it? Which then goes into the Holloway and onto Henwood Road/Compton Road.
Wheres the college on that road (is it called Nuffield Hospital)?
No, Church Road starts at the crossroads by The Institute. Wood Road starts at Tettenhall College, which is further up from the Nuffield.
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 11:02:19 AM
No, Church Road starts at the crossroads by The Institute. Wood Road starts at Tettenhall College, which is further up from the Nuffield.
and Where's the institute and cross roads? Is it where it's shown now?
Quote from: Pat on January 21, 2021, 07:33:46 PM
Yes, inbound 530s and 545s operate via St George's & Garrick Street. They don't set down at St George's, only the stand on Bilston Street.
It depends, I've had them set down there multiple times, usually when the driver has a break before the next trip. I don't think they are timetabled to do so, though.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 11:07:10 AM
and Where's the institute and cross roads? Is it where it's shown now?
Just had a look at the map. The current map shows Wood Road as ending on Church Road, which is incorrect. My suggestion would be to move 'Church Road' text down, and add in Mount Road (which starts at the crossroads with School Road, Wood Road and Church Road) as more of a reference, like Wightwick Bank has been.
With regards to the 63, it doesn't serve Victoria Street at all.
Outbound:
Darlington Street, School Street, Salop Street, Peel Street, Pitt Street, Worcester Street, Ring Road St Marks, Great Brickkiln Street
Inbound:
Great Brickkiln Street, Ring Road St Marks, School Street, Pitt Street, Cleveland Street, Garrick Street, Bilston Street, to bus station.
Quote from: DJ on January 23, 2021, 11:15:58 AM
It depends, I've had them set down there multiple times, usually when the driver has a break before the next trip. I don't think they are timetabled to do so, though.
They used to, but now set down on the Police Station stop, then go for break.
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
Just had a look at the map. The current map shows Wood Road as ending on Church Road, which is incorrect. My suggestion would be to move 'Church Road' text down, and add in Mount Road (which starts at the crossroads with School Road, Wood Road and Church Road) as more of a reference, like Wightwick Bank has been.
With regards to the 63, it doesn't serve Victoria Street at all.
Outbound:
Darlington Street, School Street, Salop Street, Peel Street, Pitt Street, Worcester Street, Ring Road St Marks, Great Brickkiln Street
Inbound:
Great Brickkiln Street, Ring Road St Marks, School Street, Pitt Street, Cleveland Street, Garrick Street, Bilston Street, to bus station.
With regards to the Mount Road and Church Road situation I've just looked at both Google Maps and the website timetable map and that shows Wood Road as being where it is now on the area map all the way past the Nuffield and the college then changing into High Street...
With regards to the 63 the map on the timetable page and Google maps show it operating up the little bit of Worcester Street between Pitt Street and Clevland Street. I thought there were no services that did that little bit of Worcester Street. All went via Temple Street and Sommer Row?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 11:52:15 AM
With regards to the Mount Road and Church Road situation I've just looked at both Google Maps and the website timetable map and that shows Wood Road as being where it is now on the area map all the way past the Nuffield and the college then changing into High Street...
With regards to the 63 the map on the timetable page and Google maps show it operating up the little bit of Worcester Street between Pitt Street and Clevland Street. I thought there were no services that did that little bit of Worcester Street. All went via Temple Street and Sommer Row?
Yes, the positioning of Wood Road, it is correct. It just needs 'Church Road' text to be moved down slightly and Mount Road to be added, just to make it a bit clearer.
The 63 can go either way. For passenger reference, it doesn't really matter the line of route on that section, as there are no stops between Pitt Street and the Wulfrun Centre.
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 12:11:41 PM
Yes, the positioning of Wood Road, it is correct. It just needs 'Church Road' text to be moved down slightly and Mount Road to be added, just to make it a bit clearer.
The 63 can go either way. For passenger reference, it doesn't really matter the line of route on that section, as there are no stops between Pitt Street and the Wulfrun Centre.
Oh Right what about High Street? Does that need adding?
Also it is a little strange as all other services serve Temple St & Summer Row which I'd have thought the 63 would also do and not serve Worcester Street... Obviously it doesn't matter although for the CC map that little bit needs to be readded as currently I originally said to them that there's mo services that serve that part of Worcester Street...but your saying the the 63 does... It doez seem a bit strange why that service would do that but none of the other do?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
Oh Right what about High Street? Does that need adding?
Also it is a little strange as all other services serve Temple St & Summer Row which I'd have thought the 63 would also do and not serve Worcester Street... Obviously it doesn't matter although for the CC map that little bit needs to be readded as currently I originally said to them that there's mo services that serve that part of Worcester Street...but your saying the the 63 does... It doez seem a bit strange why that service would do that but none of the other do?
Yes, High Street could be added.
For the purposes of the City Centre map, it can stay the same, as mentioned previously, it doesn't matter which way it goes as there are no stops between Pitt Street & Cleveland Street. This is a Diamond route we're talking about, so each journey can take a different route ;D
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
Yes, High Street could be added.
For the purposes of the City Centre map, it can stay the same, as mentioned previously, it doesn't matter which way it goes as there are no stops between Pitt Street & Cleveland Street. This is a Diamond route we're talking about, so each journey can take a different route ;D
Ok
Well if that's the case then TfWM need to stipulate to the operator that all journeys should run either via Worcester Street or Temple St and Summer Row.
Just out of interest
@PatDo any services do the bit of Horsley Fields between Middle Cross and St David's?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 12:27:46 PM
Well if that's the case then TfWM need to stipulate to the operator that all journeys should run either via Worcester Street or Temple St and Summer Row.
Personally, I don't see the point. No passengers are inconvenienced and the timetable isn't affected. It's not like the service is skipping any stops.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
Just out of interest @Pat
Do any services do the bit of Horsley Fields between Middle Cross and St David's?
No, not anymore. 529s used to, when Pipers Row was closed for metro works.
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 12:34:31 PM
Personally, I don't see the point. No passengers are inconvenienced and the timetable isn't affected. It's not like the service is skipping any stops.
No, not anymore. 529s used to, when Pipers Row was closed for metro works.
Yes I get where you're coming for...however if different drivers are using different routes then it needs to be address with the operator as they have register a route which the timetable has been produced for which shows one route but when someone uses the service they are expecting it to go up Worcester St but it doesn't and it goes up Temple St and Summer Row.. Yes I know it doesnt effect any stops but as all other routes and some journeys on the service in question does Temple Street and Summer Row then all journeys should do the same routing and not different routes?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Yes I get where you're coming for...however if different drivers are using different routes then it needs to be address with the operator as they have register a route which the timetable has been produced for which shows one route but when someone uses the service they are expecting it to go up Worcester St but it doesn't and it goes up Temple St and Summer Row.. Yes I know it doesnt effect any stops but as all other routes and some journeys on the service in question does Temple Street and Summer Row then all journeys should do the same routing and not different routes?
As I said, no one is inconvenienced. There are no stops between Pitt Street and the Wulfrun that the service is registered to use. For the purposes of your general question, I have already said that the map does not need to be changed, as it doesn't really matter.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Yes I get where you're coming for...however if different drivers are using different routes then it needs to be address with the operator as they have register a route which the timetable has been produced for which shows one route but when someone uses the service they are expecting it to go up Worcester St but it doesn't and it goes up Temple St and Summer Row.. Yes I know it doesnt effect any stops but as all other routes and some journeys on the service in question does Temple Street and Summer Row then all journeys should do the same routing and not different routes?
Oh christ not this again.....
No
Customers will only "expect" that a bus doesn't miss out bus stops....
Quote from: Kevin on January 23, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Oh christ not this again.....
No
Customers will only "expect" that a bus doesn't miss out bus stops....
@Kevin I am thinking of the bigger picture though... If I wasn't a bus enthusiasts I would like to know the correct route of a service meaning that I would be tracking the route via the timetable map and when I get to that point I expect it to turn left into Worcester Street and it doesnt it instead turns right and then left into Temple Street and right Into Summer Row I would be a little worried as although it eventually gets to Clevland Street it hasn't taken the route that I expected... so sorry if I'm bining this up again but as you can possibly see where I'm coming from now maybe you can understand why I am questioning everything that is posted?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 01:00:31 PM
I am thinking of the bigger picture though... If I wasn't a bus enthusiasts I would like to know the correct route of a service meaning that I would be tracking the route via the timetable map and when I get to that point I expect it to turn left into Worcester Street and it doesnt it instead turns right and then left into Temple Street and right Into Summer Row I would be a little worried as although it eventually gets to Clevland Street it hasn't taken the route that I expected... so sorry if I'm bining this up again but as you can possibly see where I'm coming from now maybe you can understand why I am questioning everything that is posted?
This is getting stupid now. I've already told you twice now that the map doesn't need to be updated. It seems like you're going round looking for an argument.
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 01:06:16 PM
This is getting stupid now. I've already told you twice now that the map doesn't need to be updated. It seems like you're going round looking for an argument.
No I'm just stating a fact that what I'd be doing. I'm not looking for a anugument. zIf yuo thimk it's stupid. I bet lodes of people do what I'm saying!! May be not people who know the area or the network.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 01:10:04 PM
No I'm just stating a fact that what I'd be doing. I'm not looking for a anugument. zIf yuo thimk it's stupid. I bet lodes of people do what I'm saying!! May be not people who know the area or the network.. 😁
Proves my point exactly....
Quote from: Pat on January 23, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Proves my point exactly....
I sort of do know the network but not as good as you or Tony or may be anyone who is on this forum.. But I know most of the network... I only ask on here as TfWM have said I can share it with the wider public Yes I know that means listerning to them but when I look at something I think of the bigger picture and not only for the purperses of getting everthimg correct but also for what I feel it should looklike. Yes again I know I'm supposed to be open minded but when it comes to something as close to my heart at this then I may strat a few arguments but I don't meant to... 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 01:10:04 PM
No I'm just stating a fact that what I'd be doing. I'm not looking for a anugument. zIf yuo thimk it's stupid. I bet lodes of people do what I'm saying!! May be not people who know the area or the network.. 😁
They don't!
You are asking for help and Pat is giving you expert advise for Wolverhampton. I have kept quiet as Pat knows it in far more detail than me and you need to listen to him, not argue with him. You only 'guess' what the public want working on the basis of what you personally want. You have never had a public facing job, or asked what people want. Nobody other than obsessive spotter sit their with a TfWM map in front of them checking the bus goes down the correct route. People will sit with a map phone app with the place where they want to get to highlighted to know when to get off (I do that in a strange town) Bus route maps are only used by the general public as reference to see which nus to get to somewhere. That is from experience of operating West Midlands Travel's information Leyland National many years ago when I gave out thousands of maps before the internet and also being a Travelshop manage giving them out.
So please, ask for advice, but take it when it is given and give up this 'I must have last word' attitude because you think you know everything the public want.
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
They don't!
You are asking for help and Pat is giving you expert advise for Wolverhampton. I have kept quiet as Pat knows it in far more detail than me and you need to listen to him, not argue with him. You only 'guess' what the public want working on the basis of what you personally want. You have never had a public facing job, or asked what people want. Nobody other than obsessive spotter sit their with a TfWM map in front of them checking the bus goes down the correct route. People will sit with a map phone app with the place where they want to get to highlighted to know when to get off (I do that in a strange town) Bus route maps are only used by the general public as reference to see which nus to get to somewhere. That is from experience of operating West Midlands Travel's information Leyland National many years ago when I gave out thousands of maps before the internet and also being a Travelshop manage giving them out.
So please, ask for advice, but take it when it is given and give up this 'I must have last word' attitude because you think you know everything the public want.
Yes I understand that, however I am also general public and I want to see the correct routing and not have different routes for the same service... Now I am taking on board everything that
@Pat has said but if i don't agree with someting can I not have my say? Am I allowed. I don't mean to sound arsry or argumenative but as I have said when it's something as close to my heart as this I what ever little bit of help but also a say in things.. Sorry if that feels like I'm not listerning but I do and I am greatful for everytilhing..
My observations on the Walsall map, based on what I remember from trips in the area at various points, plus a few questions for other people with better knowledge to ponder over.
Should the 2 be left on the map, as it is, with a 'box' saying 'at time of issue, Service 2 suspended between Cheslyn Hay & Walsall, due to current Covid restrictions. For details of replacement facility, contact Tfwm' ?
Besides references to the 1 & 2E being deleted, including that section of Walsall Road past Holly Lane, I've noticed in square B5, unless I'm mistaken, that the section of Essington Road to the Coppice Farm turn off should be deleted, as it was left over from the old Arriva 68, that was introduced when Warstone Motors (Green Bus) went bump.
Not sure about Bursnips Road, as I suppose that comes under 'Occasional Journeys'.
Square B6, the section of Stroud Avenue that is the 37 occasional route, shouldn't that also have a direction of travel arrow, as it's one way? The bus journey, not the road itself, as Stroud Avenue is 2 way itself.
Square C6 - Wasn't service 36 rerouted one way via Wolverhampton Road, due to parked cars in Blay Avenue, or has that been resolved?
Wasn't there a comment recently about service 334 going back to Bilston, rather than looping Rough Hay, as the map shows?
Square D5, the 25 operates the one way in the Forest Estate the opposite way to what is shown.
Aldridge - Does the 36 actually terminate on the By Pass? The little star needs moving slightly, also does Aldridge need one of those little boxes says what terminates there & what calls there?
Where does the 3 turn round in Brownhills, if it doesn't use the Parade?
Should Service 8 Evening & Sunday journeys be shown as terminating in Brownhills itself?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 10:37:54 AM
Does anybody know in Tettenhall is there a road called Wood Road High? If there is does it go into Wood Road then Church Road?
Thanks in advance.
Ever heard of Google Maps?
Quote from: Dom on January 23, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
Ever heard of Google Maps?
Yes
@Dom I have heard of Google maps... however as has been said before Google maps aren't always correct/upto date.. that's why I posted here... I did in facrlt look at Google Maps before
@Pat respondeed and notined it was High Street that led into Wood Road.
Quote from: Westy on January 23, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
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Should the 2 be left on the map, as it is, with a 'box' saying 'at time of issue, Service 2 suspended between Cheslyn Hay & Walsall, due to current Covid restrictions. For details of replacement facility, contact Tfwm' ?
...
Surely any temporary changes due to Covid issues should be ignored, otherwise you'd be updating the map for every diversion of a service due to roadworks as well
Quote from: Kevin on January 23, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
Surely any temporary changes due to Covid issues should be ignored, otherwise you'd be updating the map for every diversion of a service due to roadworks as well
Roadworks, I'd agree with you, but Covid is a different matter.
The map gets updated once a year, let's say & despite what has been said, nobody knows for sure how long, that's why I suggested putting it in a box.
(You could argue the same for the 1 & 3, as it hasn't been confirmed what is happening, despite what people have been saying over the months.)
And it can be removed the next issue of the map anyway.
Quote from: Kevin on January 23, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
Surely any temporary changes due to Covid issues should be ignored, otherwise you'd be updating the map for every diversion of a service due to roadworks as well
Quote from: Westy on January 23, 2021, 04:57:25 PM
Roadworks, I'd agree with you, but Covid is a different matter.
The map gets updated once a year, let's say & despite what has been said, nobody knows for sure how long, that's why I suggested putting it in a box.
(You could argue the same for the 1 & 3, as it hasn't been confirmed what is happening, despite what people have been saying over the months.)
And it can be removed the next issue of the map anyway.
They normally get updated twice a year it's only because of Covid that the latest printed editions are either dated Nov/Dec 19 or earlier.
The web editions are updated twice a year normally. First in April and Second in Oct.. then occasionally inbetween.
I would agree with
@Westy.. I'll sugget
@Westy option to them.. its up to them then!!! 😁
Can anyboys shead some light on the Darlaston service 30, please?
As the timetable states it serves Heathfield Road West but the area map states Berry Avenue in Herberrs Park. Which toad is the correct name?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2021, 02:27:52 PM
Can anyboys shead some light on the Darlaston service 30, please?
As the timetable states it serves Heathfield Road West but the area map states Berry Avenue in Herberrs Park. Which toad is the correct name?
Both:
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_45030_%20_H_y11_3-3
Quote from: ellspurs on January 24, 2021, 02:39:09 PM
Both:
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_45030_%20_H_y11_3-3
Quote from: Dom on January 23, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
Ever heard of Google Maps?
Thanks
@ellspurs.
I did try Google Maps straight after I posted and that said it doesn't do those road in either direction... 😁 Then I did check WMN's but I still didn't know if they got it wrong on that map as well!!😁
I don't always trust Google or WMN!! 😁 This is why I post here!! 😁
Hi
@PatDo you know if any 71 journeys still serve Brownshore Lane, Upper Sneyd Lane and Bursnips Road in Essington?
also are there any services that serve the little bit of Essington Road between Coppice Farm Way and Upper Sneyd Lane?
Also is the ring road between Stafford Street and Waterloo Road called Ring Road St Peters Andrews? I though it was just either Peters or Andrews... can you or anybody confirm?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2021, 02:27:52 PM
Can anyboys shead some light on the Darlaston service 30, please?
As the timetable states it serves Heathfield Road West but the area map states Berry Avenue in Herberrs Park. Which toad is the correct name?
The 30 is a hail and ride round Herberts Park. Whenever I've used it, it's done Wells Ave and Stanbury Ave.
As for the 71, I have no idea. Don't live Essington way and never really been there.
Quote from: Pat on January 24, 2021, 04:27:35 PM
The 30 is a hail and ride round Herberts Park. Whenever I've used it, it's done Wells Ave and Stanbury Ave.
As for the 71, I have no idea. Don't live Essington way and never really been there.
Hi
@PatThanks for that.. it's only as the map shows is serving Stanbury Ave, Wells Ave, Park Road, Heathfield Lane West, Berry Ave, Wiley Ave, Patk Street.
I was just wondering if it does all the above road or if it differs?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Hi @Pat
Thanks for that.. it's only as the map shows is serving Stanbury Ave, Wells Ave, Park Road, Heathfield Lane West, Berry Ave, Wiley Ave, Patk Street.
I was just wondering if it does all the above road or if it differs?
Sorry, missed your comment about the ring road. Between Stafford Street and Waterloo road is St Peters.
I think that is the correct route, as like I say, the 30 is hail and ride throughout that section. As far as I'm aware, the route hasn't changed.
Quote from: Pat on January 24, 2021, 06:07:23 PM
Sorry, missed your comment about the ring road. Between Stafford Street and Waterloo road is St Peters.
I think that is the correct route, as like I say, the 30 is hail and ride throughout that section. As far as I'm aware, the route hasn't changed.
That's ok
@Pat thanks for the conformation of the ring road name. As the Ring road is St Andrews from Waterloo Road around to Chaple Ash... Although the City Centre map says part of St Peters is also St Andrews but as you say it isn't. That thing should be corrected on the next edition..
Thanks again.
Walsall Map - changes to the Burntwood/Norton Canes inset:
Remove the 62 from the plan, as it terminates at Sankeys Corner and has done for a while not going through to Lichfield so not worth showing.
10A - uses Spring Hill Road and Chase Road not Cannock Road. Always has done since the service started.
Remove the part of the blue line going North from Swan Island (Cannock Road/Chase Road/Lichfield Road junction), no service here.
3 - in Norton Canes runs via Hednesford Road then Walsall Road, Chapel Street, Church Road, Norton Green Lane, Walsall Road, then Burntwood Road as shown. Terminates in Brownhills via High Street, Church Street, Short Street, Brickkiln Street and High Street.
60A missing entirely from inset (currently suspended due to Covid) - runs via Hednesford Road, Brownhills Road, Norton East Road, Burntwood Road the as per route 60 to Chase Road then Spring Hill Road, Cannock Road and as per route 60. 60A (and 10A for that matter) numbers to be added to top right of box, with 62 removed.
Quote from: Cheese on January 25, 2021, 10:58:29 AM
Walsall Map - changes to the Burntwood/Norton Canes inset:
Remove the 62 from the plan, as it terminates at Sankeys Corner and has done for a while not going through to Lichfield so not worth showing.
10A - uses Spring Hill Road and Chase Road not Cannock Road. Always has done since the service started.
Remove the part of the blue line going North from Swan Island (Cannock Road/Chase Road/Lichfield Road junction), no service here.
3 - in Norton Canes runs via Hednesford Road then Walsall Road, Chapel Street, Church Road, Norton Green Lane, Walsall Road, then Burntwood Road as shown. Terminates in Brownhills via High Street, Church Street, Short Street, Brickkiln Street and High Street.
60A missing entirely from inset (currently suspended due to Covid) - runs via Hednesford Road, Brownhills Road, Norton East Road, Burntwood Road the as per route 60 to Chase Road then Spring Hill Road, Cannock Road and as per route 60. 60A (and 10A for that matter) numbers to be added to top right of box, with 62 removed.
Thanks
@CheeseI'll add them to my observations when I get round to Walsall.
Slightly off topic, but is there any reason why NX Walsall service 8a is on the bus displays as going to Pelsall, but TfWM infrastructure refer to the terminal point as 'Pelsall Wood'?
If anybody else has pick up on any mistakes on the Wolverhampton map and guide, please share here? I would like to thank
@Pat for all the expert help on it...It is much appreciated.. Although I know sometimes I can be greating on people and possibly throuing rubbish out there!! I don't mean any harm on any of the previous posts if I come across aggressive/arsry..
Let's draw a line underneath it now and move on.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 24, 2021, 03:09:45 PM
Hi @Pat
Do you know if any 71 journeys still serve Brownshore Lane, Upper Sneyd Lane and Bursnips Road in Essington?
also are there any services that serve the little bit of Essington Road between Coppice Farm Way and Upper Sneyd Lane?
...
Unsure of the route of the 71 around Essington proper, but there's nothing linking down to New Invention anymore along Essington Road
Quote from: Kevin on January 26, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
Unsure of the route of the 71 around Essington proper, but there's nothing linking down to New Invention anymore along Essington Road
Is there anyone on here from the operator or is no one from the operator on here? Could anybody clarify it or not? No worry if you can't... if an ybody is out in that area who is on here and can answer I'd be very gratefull!! 😁
P. S Sorry
@Kevin thanks...
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 26, 2021, 04:50:53 PM
Is there anyone on here from the operator or is no one from the operator on here? Could anybody clarify it or not? No worry if you can't... if an ybody is out in that area who is on here and can answer I'd be very gratefull!! 😁
P. S Sorry @Kevin thanks...
@Busman Jamie
Jumping onto Sandwell & Dudley area map nor any mistakes please post here!!! 😁
Just waiting on the last thing from
@Busman Jamie to confirm on Wolverhampton map... Then will send it to TfWM.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 27, 2021, 10:40:25 AM
Jumping onto Sandwell & Dudley area map nor any mistakes please post here!!! 😁
Just waiting on the last thing from @Busman Jamie to confirm on Wolverhampton map... Then will send it to TfWM.
5 is shown on New Road on the Solihull map. Its been years since it used to go that way. (The large map, not the town one).
Quote from: 2206 on January 27, 2021, 10:42:38 AM
5 is shown on New Road on the Solihull map. Its been years since it used to go that way. (The large map, not the town one).
Thanks
@2206.. I will get round to doing Solihull soon.. I just wanted to do all the maps that also had CC maps with them then the next biggest which is S&D then whichever is the next biggest!!😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 27, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Thanks @2206.. I will get round to doing Solihull soon.. I just wanted to do all the maps that also had CC maps with them then the next biggest which is S&D then whichever is the next biggest!!😁
(https://i.imgur.com/VfdITGG.png)
That section seems to suggest the 229 goes down the 11/11A route to the Pie Factory, whereas it doesn't serve that section of Dudley Road.
Another thing, the WB5 on the map is coloured yellow to suggest route branding, which it hasn't had for a while now. If that had a yellow colour for it's branding though, surely routes like the 16, 74, 226 etc should have coloured lines on the map to match their route branding?
I'll let you know if I spot anything else that needs sorting on it.
Quote from: DJ on January 27, 2021, 03:55:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VfdITGG.png)
That section seems to suggest the 229 goes down the 11/11A route to the Pie Factory, whereas it doesn't serve that section of Dudley Road.
Another thing, the WB5 on the map is coloured yellow to suggest route branding, which it hasn't had for a while now. If that had a yellow colour for it's branding though, surely routes like the 16, 74, 226 etc should have coloured lines on the map to match their route branding?
I'll let you know if I spot anything else that needs sorting on it.
Hi
@DJThanks for this...
I look forwrd to hearing from you if you find anything else!! 😁
,
I take your point about the 5, 16 & 74, howevere with the 226 as its not a NX route they will probably not add it as a branded route...As its NX who pay for the two publications that are currently produced.. Nx wanted the S&D map and Coventry map colour coded... I think with the other areas it would make it a litte bit confusing as some routes cross over into several area maps.
Just wondering has anybody else found any mistakes on the S&D map?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Just wondering has anybody else found any mistakes on the S&D map?
Yes, there is a problem with the 80.
It doesn't serve Wilkinson Avenue, and only serves Brierley Lane as far as Batmans Hill Road, where it does the loop round Weddell Wynd & Peter Avenue.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
Yes, there is a problem with the 80.
It doesn't serve Wilkinson Avenue, and only serves Brierley Lane as far as Batmans Hill Road, where it does the loop round Weddell Wynd & Peter Avenue.
Hi
@Pat thanks for that..
I don't understand the Wilkinson Avenue bit if what you're saying.. As it isn't mentioned on on Wilkinson Ave.. however the 53 is and that is correct... 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 12:42:15 PM
Hi @Pat thanks for that..
I don't understand the Wilkinson Avenue bit if what you're saying.. As it isn't mentioned on on Wilkinson Ave.. however the 53 is and that is correct... 😁
Ah sorry, missed that. Yes, Wilkinson Ave is fine, it's just Brierley Lane that needs sorting
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
Ah sorry, missed that. Yes, Wilkinson Ave is fine, it's just Brierley Lane that needs sorting
That's ok we all make mistakes!! you can see whow TfWM do!!! 😁
In Dudley how many services operate along Trindle Road.... May be
@Tony is the best person to answer this?! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 12:50:25 PM
That's ok we all make mistakes!! you can see whow TfWM do!!! 😁
In Dudley how many services operate along Trindle Road.... May be @Tony is the best person to answer this?! 😁
Yes, it's somewhat confusing having multiple different services shown as the same colour.
Only the 11/A use Trindle Road.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Yes, it's somewhat confusing having multiple different services shown as the same colour.
Only the 11/A use Trindle Road.
Hi
@PatThanks for that.... didnt the 74 used to do Trindle Road? I also thought there was a few others that did it... obviously not though!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:26:26 PM
Hi @Pat
Thanks for that.... didnt the 74 used to do Trindle Road? I also thought there was a few others that did it... obviously not though!! 😁
No, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 all use Castle Hill
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 01:46:27 PM
No, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 all use Castle Hill
Didn't the 74 used to? As I did travel on it and it did do Trindle Road... So it's obviously changed again since I travelled on it!!! -
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:50:04 PM
Didn't the 74 used to? As I did travel on it and it did do Trindle Road... So it's obviously changed again since I travelled on it!!! -
Don't think the 74 has changed in many years except for roadworks
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2021, 01:51:15 PM
Don't think the 74 has changed in many years except for roadworks
Yes, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 were using Trindle Road temporarily due to roadworks, but are back to normal line of route.
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2021, 01:51:15 PM
Don't think the 74 has changed in many years except for roadworks
I can safley say when I travelled on it it there wasn't any roadworks... So that's why I'm asking as it did do Trindle Road on journeys outbound to Birmingham..
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Yes, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 were using Trindle Road temporarily due to roadworks, but are back to normal kin of route.
It was strange then as you can probably see what I said to
@Tony.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 01:57:53 PM
I can safley say when I travelled on it it there wasn't any roadworks... So that's why I'm asking as it did do Trindle Road on journeys outbound to Birmingham..
Recently, due to Castle Hill metro works, everything has been diverted. The 74 has always gone up Castle Hill normally.
I've not been down Castle Hill for a while, so not sure if the works are still there?
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2021, 01:51:15 PM
Don't think the 74 has changed in many years except for roadworks
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Yes, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 were using Trindle Road temporarily due to roadworks, but are back to normal kin of route.
I will take you words for it now... and get back on topic!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:00:40 PM
I will take you words for it now... and get back on topic!! 😁
It was made one way due to the Metro works.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 01:59:59 PM
Recently, due to Castle Hill metro works, everything has been diverted. The 74 has always gone up Castle Hill normally.
I've not been down Castle Hill for a while, so not sure if the works are still there?
I'm talking about on outbound journeys to Birmingham omly not in reverse!!!! 😁 As I've just posted I'll take both your words for it..and get back onto topic before it alll gets like it did last time!! 😁
Can I just double check with you
@Tony that NX are not changing the 17E to just 17 anytime soon.. Only as I have heard rumers of that change!! 😁 I wanted to just check that they are rumers and not true!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:03:19 PM
I'm talking about on outbound journeys to Birmingham omly not in reverse!!!! 😁 As I've just posted I'll take both your words for it..and get back onto topic before it alll gets like it did last time!! 😁
Both inbound and outbound use Castle Hill.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:10:16 PM
Both inbound and outbound use Castle Hill.
Thanks for that
@Pat.
I do really appreciate the help that everybody is giving... In fact some of the observatioms I haven't picked up... its only now that I have due to everyone on here and also I have time to compare the timetable map time the area map.
On another note is the 1 (Wolveehampton) still branded or has it been de-branded? I don't think it isanymoe!! 😁 but not sure!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Thanks for that @Pat.
I do really appreciate the help that everybody is giving... In fact some of the observatioms I haven't picked up... its only now that I have due to everyone on here and also I have time to compare the timetable map time the area map.
On another note is the 1 (Wolveehampton) still branded or has it been de-branded? I don't think it isanymoe!! 😁 but not sure!!! 😁
I have just updated the entire fleet on the main site with all the branded buses so you can see which routes currently have branding. The 1 hasn't been branded since the buses were used in Dundee nearly 2 years ago
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Thanks for that @Pat.
I do really appreciate the help that everybody is giving... In fact some of the observatioms I haven't picked up... its only now that I have due to everyone on here and also I have time to compare the timetable map time the area map.
On another note is the 1 (Wolveehampton) still branded or has it been de-branded? I don't think it isanymoe!! 😁 but not sure!!! 😁
1 is de branded. Only branded routes are 2,3,4,6,10/A/B,59,8/X8
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:21:50 PM
1 is de branded. Only branded routes are 2,3,4,6,10/A/B,59,8/X8
Thanks
@PatDo you know why it was de-branded or not? No worries if you don't... I was just curious!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:23:14 PM
Thanks @Pat
Do you know why it was de-branded or not? No worries if you don't... I was just curious!!! 😁
They were de branded when put into crimson when they went up to Dundee to do shuttles for the golf.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
They were de branded when put into crimson when they went up to Dundee to do shuttles for the golf.
Right that explains it all then...
Have you come across any other mistakes yet?
I certainly have since you pointed out the trindle road thing... Do you know if Bishop Milner has changed name as I think it has but not sure? 😁
In the blown up map of Dudley. Do you know if Dudley Colege is still where it's currently shown.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:23:14 PM
Thanks @Pat
Do you know why it was de-branded or not? No worries if you don't... I was just curious!!! 😁
I told you that in my reply
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Right that explains it all then...
Have you come across any other mistakes yet?
I certainly have since you pointed out the trindle road thing... Do you know if Bishop Milner has changed name as I think it has but not sure? 😁
Are you referring to the school? It hasn't changed it's name.
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2021, 02:39:06 PM
I told you that in my reply
I think he possibly didn't know why they went to Dundee, hence my additional post.
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2021, 02:39:06 PM
I told you that in my reply
Sorry
@TonyI was replying to another post when your post came through.. So I didn't read it.. That's why I asked
@Pat sorry...
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:40:32 PM
Are you referring to the school? It hasn't changed it's name.
I think he possibly didn't know why they went to Dundee, hence my additional post.
Plus that's right
@Pat.. I also was replying to your post I think and I didn't read
@Tony post I know something had come thtough but when I posted the message I didn't read the one that had come through!!! 😁
Does anybody think it's a good idea to show the 42 with a half coloured circle at Dudley and along that route?
Also if it's a half coloured circle for the Dudley journeys is correct what should the symbol be for the Tipton terminators have?
Does the Diamond 4H do the same route out of Halesowen towads Walsall as the NX one? I think it done but again I'm not sure!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Right that explains it all then...
Have you come across any other mistakes yet?
I certainly have since you pointed out the trindle road thing... Do you know if Bishop Milner has changed name as I think it has but not sure? 😁
In the blown up map of Dudley. Do you know if Dudley Colege is still where it's currently shown.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
Does anybody think it's a good idea to show the 42 with a half coloured circle at Dudley and along that route?
Also if it's a half coloured circle for the Dudley journeys is correct what should the symbol be for the Tipton terminators have?
I also want to know the answers for these question if anybody knows!! 😁
Thanks in advance
Regards
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 28, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
Does the Diamond 4h do the same route out of Halesowen towads Walsall as the NX one? I think it done but again I'm not sure!!! 😁
No, Diamond go via Hagley Road out of Hayley Green.
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
No, Diamond go via Hagley Road out of Hayley Green.
Hi
@Pat I was talking about the outbound journey to Walsall from Halesowen and not alll the way from Hayley Green!! Thanks anyway..
As I said I think it was changed recently to run the same route as the NX service between Halesowen and Walsall. May be
@Tony or
@Simon Dunn could clarifiy if Im correct or now?
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
No, Diamond go via Hagley Road out of Hayley Green.
I also want to know what the Diamond route 4H does on the journeys from Halesowen Bus Station towards Walsall?
Quote from: Pat on January 28, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Yes, the 74, 87, 126 & 229 were using Trindle Road temporarily due to roadworks, but are back to normal line of route.
The 74, 87 and 126 actually use Trindle Road, as they aren't down as stopping on Castle Street or Castle Hill. The only routes that go that way to Castle Gate are the 42 and 229.
Quote from: DJ on January 29, 2021, 05:38:57 AM
The 74, 87 and 126 actually use Trindle Road, as they aren't down as stopping on Castle Street or Castle Hill. The only routes that go that way to Castle Gate are the 42 and 229.
Hi
@DJThanks for the message.
Do thoes services use Trindle Road temp or for good now? No worries if you don't know... I suspect that they may revert to useing Castle Hill when the Metro Works are finished... may be
@Tony could clarifiy that?
Quote from: DJ on January 29, 2021, 05:38:57 AM
The 74, 87 and 126 actually use Trindle Road, as they aren't down as stopping on Castle Street or Castle Hill. The only routes that go that way to Castle Gate are the 42 and 229.
Can anyone confirm that the 11 & 11A still operate out of Dudley via Trindle Road?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 11:38:37 AM
Can anyone confirm that the 11 & 11A still operate out of Dudley via Trindle Road?
You've had an answer to this already:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5556.msg288261#msg288261
Quote from: Stu on January 29, 2021, 11:40:44 AM
You've had an answer to this already:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5556.msg288261#msg288261
Sorry
@Stu.
I forgote about that reply... 😁 But that post is short of right but wrong as its not the only service that uses Trndle Road... as stated by
@DJ but I had forgot that someone had already pointed this out.. Sorry again.. 😁
In Wednesbury does the 67 do both directions along Ridding Lane? Only as the map on WMN shows it does... but the area map shows an arrow on Ridding Lane going towards Cedar Road.
@Adam 404,
@Pat or
@Tony is the 1 ever going to be colour coded again.. or since all buses are now in Crimzon will the 1 say as a 'normal' serive like the 27 & 27A. Sorry if I'm asking the same question again but I want to make douvble sure that there no chance of it being re added as a colour coded route?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 12:28:31 PM
@Adam 404, @Pat or @Tony is the 1 ever going to be colour coded again.. or since all buses are now in Crimzon will the 1 say as a 'normal' serive like the 27 & 27A. Sorry if I'm asking the same question again but I want to make douvble sure that there no chance of it being re added as a colour coded route?
Highly unlikely, as they've been in Crimson for 2-3 + years.
Quote from: Pat on January 29, 2021, 12:32:27 PM
Highly unlikely, as they've been in Crimson for 2-3 + years.
Hi
@Pat thanks for the confirmation... I thought not but I wanted to check as the S&D map have it in red currently!!! 😁
Hi all
I want to know the following if pssible?
1. Do any joyrneys on the 231 still serve Narrow Lane or Old Barn Lane.
2. Diamond service 4H route between Halesowen and Dudley Road Shenstone Island.
3. Does the 202 run as it did before via Ridgeway Avenue and not Kent Road?
4.Are there any journeys on the 002 that still serve Mucklow Hill?
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
6. At Dudley bus station and Tipton rail staton shouldn't there be a symbol by the 42 as it is alternate daytime journeys that terminate at Tipton or Dudley?
7. Is the loop at Lodge Farm (Dudley) served both direction on the 11 & 11A or is it just in one direction (to Dudley)?
8. Are there any plans for the 2 & 2A to be branded again or not? As I know it was de-branded when it was renumbered.
I think that sould keep everyone busy!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Hi all
I want to know the following if pssible?
1. Do any joyrneys on the 231 still serve Narrow Lane or Old Barn Lane.
2. Diamond service 4H route between Halesowen and Dudley Road Shenstone Island.
3. Does the 202 run as it did before via Ridgeway Avenue and not Kent Road?
4.Are there any journeys on the 002 that still serve Mucklow Hill?
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
6. At Dudley bus station and Tipton rail staton shouldn't there be a symbol by the 42 as it is alternate daytime journeys that terminate at Tipton or Dudley?
7. Is the loop at Lodge Farm (Dudley) served both direction on the 11 & 11A or is it just in one direction (to Dudley)?
8. Are there any plans for the 2 & 2A to be branded again or not? As I know it was de-branded when it was renumbered.
I think that sould keep everyone busy!!! 😁
Last time I went down there, which was admittedly nearly a year ago, I'm pretty sure it served both directions, but ISTR it's one of those areas, where you could see from the 'main road', if there was anyone in the stop or not, then you had the 'option' whether you go there or not. (Admittedly against company rules of course!)
There's another area nearby ISTR where you could do the same, but looking at the map now, I think that has been eliminated nowadays. I think it was the Saltwells Road area?
Quote from: Westy on January 29, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
Last time I went down there, which was admittedly nearly a year ago, I'm pretty sure it served both directions, but ISTR it's one of those areas, where you could see from the 'main road', if there was anyone in the stop or not, then you had the 'option' whether you go there or not. (Admittedly against company rules of course!)
There's another area nearby ISTR where you could do the same, but looking at the map now, I think that has been eliminated nowadays. I think it was the Saltwells Road area?
Hi
@WestyThanks for this..
I know it used to operate to Dudley via the loop but to merry hill it only serves the bus stop on the hill at the island... I wasn't sure if it should do it in one directon ot both!!! 😁 May be
@Tony or someone who drives the route who may be on this forum may know better. not saying you don't but you don't sound so sure!! 😁
Quote from: Westy on January 29, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
Last time I went down there, which was admittedly nearly a year ago, I'm pretty sure it served both directions, but ISTR it's one of those areas, where you could see from the 'main road', if there was anyone in the stop or not, then you had the 'option' whether you go there or not. (Admittedly against company rules of course!)
There's another area nearby ISTR where you could do the same, but looking at the map now, I think that has been eliminated nowadays. I think it was the Saltwells Road area?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Hi all
I want to know the following if pssible?
1. Do any joyrneys on the 231 still serve Narrow Lane or Old Barn Lane.
2. Diamond service 4H route between Halesowen and Dudley Road Shenstone Island.
3. Does the 202 run as it did before via Ridgeway Avenue and not Kent Road?
4.Are there any journeys on the 002 that still serve Mucklow Hill?
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
6. At Dudley bus station and Tipton rail staton shouldn't there be a symbol by the 42 as it is alternate daytime journeys that terminate at Tipton or Dudley?
7. Is the loop at Lodge Farm (Dudley) served both direction on the 11 & 11A or is it just in one direction (to Dudley)? Sort of answerd
8. Are there any plans for the 2 & 2A to be branded again or not? As I know it was de-branded when it was renumbered.
I think that sould keep everyone busy!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 04:29:19 PM
Hi @Westy
Thanks for this..
I know it used to operate to Dudley via the loop but to merry hill it only serves the bus stop on the hill at the island... I wasn't sure if it should do it in one directon ot both!!! 😁 May be @Tony or someone who drives the route who may be on this forum may know better. not saying you don't but you don't sound so sure!! 😁
Admittedly there was one driver I could've asked(Tony knows who I mean), but as the person concerned has been on long term sick since 'this' started, plus I'm no longer catching the Bradford Place routes since last June, due to job changes, that is a non starter.
Well, if someone else knows, fair enough. I can only go by memory.
Quote from: Westy on January 29, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
Admittedly there was one driver I could've asked(Tony knows who I mean), but as the person concerned has been on long term sick since 'this' started, plus I'm no longer catching the Bradford Place routes since last June, due to job changes, that is a non starter.
Well, if someone else knows, fair enough. I can only go by memory.
Hi
@Westy I'm not having a go at you... I was just mearly pointing it out that someone else may know more than us two put together!! 😁
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
The 54/54a use it going towards West Bromwich
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 04:55:10 PM
Hi @Westy I'm not having a go at you... I was just mearly pointing it out that someone else may know more than us two put together!! 😁
Makes a change. Mentioning no names, but you know who you are!
Quote from: Zander on January 29, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
The 54/54a use it going towards West Bromwich
Thanks
@ZanderIt really does help haveing acess to people who know more than me in some ways!! 😁
I am right in thinking that the 43A operates into/out of Bilston via Oxford Street and the 43 operates via Black Country Route to the island with Oxford Street then back along Black Country Route to Bankfield Road? If that's correct there should be a orange line and route number on Oxford Street?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 30, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
I am right in thinking that the 43A operates into/out of Bilston via Oxford Street and the 43 operates via Black Country Route to the island with Oxford Strret then back along Black Country Route to Bankfield Road? If that's correct there should be a orange line and route number on Oxford Street?
Yes, 43A goes down the A41/Oxford Street. The 43 goes out of the bus station gia Hall Street, past the war memorial, onto the roundabout, Black Country Route, then turning left at Morrisons to go down Bankfield Road.
Quote from: Pat on January 30, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Yes, 43A goes down the A41/Oxford Street. The 43 goes out of the bus station gia Hall Street, past the war memorial, onto the roundabout, Black Country Route, then turning left at Morrisons to go down Bankfield Road.
Hi
@Pat I thought the 43A goes both direction along Hall St and Oxford Street and the 43 goes in to the bus station via Black Country Route and then returns to West Bromwich via Black Country Road, island of Oxford Street and Black Country Route to Bankfiled Road?
You didn't say that unless the 43 is supposed to do Oxford Street in the one direction? As when I travelled on it, it did the route that I said..
Just checked the map and there is an orange line on Oxford Street already...it's the Black Country Route that is missing it!! 😁 Sorry
@Pat..
IWhen I travelled on the 43 it went out via Black, Country Route and then Bnakfield Road... Can anybody confirm if it's supposed to do that or do Oxford Street & Black Country Route out and just Black Country Route in?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Hi all
I want to know the following if pssible?
1. Do any journeys on the 231 still serve Narrow Lane or Old Barn Lane?
2. Diamond service 4H route between Halesowen Bus Station and Dudley Road Shenstone Island?
3. Does the 202 run as it did before via Ridgeway Avenue and not Kent Road?
4.Are there any journeys on the 002 that still serve Mucklow Hill?
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22? Answerd. Thanks to @Zander
6. At Dudley bus station and Tipton rail staton shouldn't there be a symbol by the 42 as it is alternate daytime journeys that terminate at Tipton or Dudley?
7. Is the loop at Lodge Farm (Dudley) served both direction on the 11 & 11A or is it just in one direction (to Dudley)? Sort of answerd, but need more clarity. thanks to @Westy for part of the answer.
8. Are there any plans for the 2 & 2A to be branded again or not? As I know they were de-branded when it was renumbered from 222.
9. Does the 67 in Wednesbury operate along Ridding Lane in both directions?
I think that sould keep everyone busy!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 30, 2021, 12:05:06 PM
Just checked the map and there is an orange line on Oxford Street already...it's the Black Country Route that is missing it!! 😁 Sorry @Pat..
IWhen I travelled on the 43 it went out via Black, Country Route and then Bnakfield Road... Can anybody confirm if it's supposed to do that or do Oxford Street & Black Country Route out and just Black Country Route in?
No, 43 goes Black Country Route and past Morrisons
Quote from: Pat on January 30, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
No, 43 goes Black Country Route and past Morrisons
Do you mean it doesnt do Oxford Street at all
@Pat and it does Black Country Route in both direction by turning at the island for Oxford Street?, Sorry if this is getting on your nerves!! I don't meant to!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 30, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
Do you mean it doesnt do Oxford Street at all @Pat and it does Black Country Route in both direction by turning at the island for Oxford Street?, Sorry if this is getting on your nerves!! I don't meant to!! 😁
Yes. 43 does not serve Oxford Street and operates via Black Country Route in both directions.
Quote from: Pat on January 30, 2021, 04:44:48 PM
Yes. 43 does not serve Oxford Street and operates via Black Country Route in both directions.
Thanks for clarifing that
@Pat...
Now I'll leave you in peace unless you can answer any of the other questions I have posted earlier?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 29, 2021, 03:50:10 PM
Hi all
I want to know the following if pssible?
1. Do any journeys on the 231 still serve Narrow Lane or Oak Barn Road?
2. Diamond service 4H route between Halesowen Bus Station and Dudley Road Shenstone Island?
3. Does the 202 run as it did before via Ridgeway Avenue and not Kent Road?
4.Are there any journeys on the 002 that still serve Mucklow Hill?
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22? Answerd. Thanks to @Zander
6. At Dudley bus station and Tipton rail staton shouldn't there be a symbol by the 42 as it is alternate daytime journeys that terminate at Tipton or Dudley?
7. Is the loop at Lodge Farm (Dudley) served both direction on the 11 & 11A or is it just in one direction (to Dudley)? Sort of answerd, but need more clarity. thanks to @Westy for part of the answer.
8. Are there any plans for the 2 & 2A to be branded again or not? As I know they were de-branded when it was renumbered from 222.
9. Does the 67 in Wednesbury operate along Ridding Lane in both directions?
I think that sould keep everyone busy!!! 😁
updates list of questions... 😁
Quote from: Westy on January 29, 2021, 04:23:03 PM
Last time I went down there, which was admittedly nearly a year ago, I'm pretty sure it served both directions, but ISTR it's one of those areas, where you could see from the 'main road', if there was anyone in the stop or not, then you had the 'option' whether you go there or not. (Admittedly against company rules of course!)
There's another area nearby ISTR where you could do the same, but looking at the map now, I think that has been eliminated nowadays. I think it was the Saltwells Road area?
Quote from: Zander on January 29, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
5. In Bearwood are there any other services that serve Grange Road between Bearwood Road & Waterloo Road execpt for the 22?
The 54/54a use it going towards West Bromwich
One more question to add to the list above. 😁
In Stone Cross is there a road in the middle of the island that the 40 turns around in, or does it do what the other routes do by operating around the whole island? I think it does the whole island but cant remember if there is a small cut through? 😁
I can't seam to attach a photo of what I'm talking about.. It says it's too big but I don't think it is!! 😁 It's 3.26meg.. Dimentions 3096 X 4128
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
One more question to add to the list above. 😁
In Stone Cross is there a road in the middle of the island that the 40 turns around in, or does it do what the other routes do by operating around the whole island? I think it does the whole island but cant remember if there is a small cut through? 😁
I can't seam to attach a photo of what I'm talking about.. It says it's too big but I don't think it is!! 😁 It's 3.26meg.. Dimentions 3096 X 4128
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_33040_S_H_y11_22-22?direction=Inbound&when=0
Click the "change direction" button, you'll see it goes around the roundabout that I'm assuming you are talking about.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 31, 2021, 01:17:00 PM
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_33040_S_H_y11_22-22?direction=Inbound&when=0
Click the "change direction" button, you'll see it goes around the roundabout that I'm assuming you are talking about.
Thanks for that
@ellspurs.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
One more question to add to the list above. 😁
In Stone Cross is there a road in the middle of the island that the 40 turns around in, or does it do what the other routes do by operating around the whole island? I think it does the whole island but cant remember if there is a small cut through? 😁
I can't seam to attach a photo of what I'm talking about.. It says it's too big but I don't think it is!! 😁 It's 3.26meg.. Dimentions 3096 X 4128
I've no idea what you are on about with a road through the middle of the roundabout, that would be an impossibility as there is a pub and block of flats there.
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 02:14:09 PM
I've no idea what you are on about with a road through the middle of the roundabout, that would be an impossibility as there is a pub and block of flats there.
Hi
@Tony If you look at the S&D area map it doesn't show the 40 as operating the loop in the Stone Cross area (Island).. This is why I posed... I can't attach the photo of what I mean as it's too big. But as
@ellspurs did with the map off the WMN timetable page is just as adequate!!! As that shows it as operating around the island and not through it (if you look at the S&D map it look like there's a road where you've said the pub and flats are.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 02:26:00 PM
Hi @Tony If you look at the S&D area map it doesn't show the 40 as operating the loop in the Stone Cross area (Island).. This is why I posed... I can't attach the photo of what I mean as it's too big. But as @ellspurs did with the map off the WMN timetable page is just as adequate!!! As that shows it as operating around the island and not through it (if you look at the S&D map it look like there's a road where you've said the pub and flats are.. 😁
The S&D map is sort of correct, in that the other services continue up Walsall Road, where it joins back as a dual carriageway, while only the 40 goes round the island to head south along Walsall Road.
Quote from: Stu on January 31, 2021, 02:38:41 PM
The S&D map is sort of correct, in that the other services continue up Walsall Road, where it joins back as a dual carriageway, while only the 40 goes round the island to head south along Walsall Road.
Yes
@Stu I understand that the service has to do a loop at that island to head down to West Brom,, but I'd have thought that the line for that service would follow the other list a a circle and not a square, As I stated in my first post it looks like there's a road where ther isn't one.
Can I just ask how did you
@Stu get that map attached as I tried and it said the picture was too big?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 02:46:49 PM
Yes @Stu I understand that the service has to do a loop at that island to head down to West Brom,, but I'd have thought that the line for that service would follow the other list a a circle and not a square, As I stated in my first post it looks like there's a road where ther isn't one.
Can I just ask how did you @Stu get that map attached as I tried and it said the picture was too big?
It doesn't follow the others because they don't go around the roundabout,
@Stu explained that
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 02:46:49 PM
Yes @Stu I understand that the service has to do a loop at that island to head down to West Brom,, but I'd have thought that the line for that service would follow the other list a a circle and not a square, As I stated in my first post it looks like there's a road where ther isn't one.
Can I just ask how did you @Stu get that map attached as I tried and it said the picture was too big?
Look again at Google Maps and the road layout there, actually the S&D map is correct albeit more simplistic than my crude overlaying ;D
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 02:59:16 PM
It doesn't follow the others because they don't go around the roundabout, @Stu explained that
Yes
@Tony I understand that they it doesn't follow the same route as all the other except it should show it actually operating around the island and as I though it looks like there's a road where you're saying the pub and flats are. So I think it should be shown operating around the island like all the other services!! 😁 Sorry if it seems a bit trivial but to me it looks like there is a road where you say the flats are if you don't look at Google maps you would possibly think the same thing if you've never travelled in the area before (Which obviously I have but I dont not the road layouts that well!) As they seem to change so offten!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
Yes @Tony I understand that they it doesn't follow the same route as all the other except it should show it actually operating around the island and as I though it looks like there's a road where you're saying the pub and flats are. So I think it should be shown operating around the island like all the other services!! 😁 Sorry if it seems a bit trivial but to me it looks like there is a road where you say the flats are if you don't look at Google maps you would possibly think the same thing if you've never travelled in the area before (Which obviously I have but I dont not the road layouts that well!) As they seem to change so offten!! 😁
How difficult is it to get,
@Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
I think it should be shown operating around the island like all the other services!! 😁
How difficult is it to get,
@Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:06:21 PM
(Which obviously I have but I don't not the road layouts that well!) As they seem to change so offten!! 😁
Do you know any routes well?
Stone cross road layout hasn't changed for many years, let alone regularly. Certainly not since 2000 when I was a driver at Walsall garage
Quote from: Stu on January 31, 2021, 03:01:22 PM
Look again at Google Maps and the road layout there, actually the S&D map is correct albeit more simplistic than my crude overlaying ;D
If you say it's correct I will agree to disagree as I've just postes back to
@Tony post. To be honest it looks to me as if it's not the same loop but maybe it's because google maps is less cluttered!! 😁 I would have thought it would look better if all the lines were in the same place all be it with the line doing the loop as slight grey line to the own but with the line following the Black Line to the junction where the black liine then contiues up to Walsall and comes back down towards West Bromwich.
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
How difficult is it to get, @Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
How difficult is it to get, @Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
Do you know any routes well?
Stone cross road layout hasn't changed for many years, let alone regularly. Certainly not since 2000 when I was a driver at Walsall garage
If you look at what Ive just said to
@Stu may be we can get back on track? I was only asking and also may be because of my OCD it just doesn't look right!! 😁. Sorry for having my operation!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:13:32 PM
If you say it's correct I will agree to disagree as I've just postes back to @Tony post. To be honest it looks to me as if it's not the same loop but maybe it's because google maps is less cluttered!! 😁 I would have thought it would look better if all the lined were in. the same plae all be it with the line doing the loop as shlight grey line to the own but with the line following the Black Line to the junction where the black liine then contiues up to Walsall and comes back down towards West Bromwich.
Have you looked at
@Stu drawing above where he has drawn the routes on top of a genuine map? The TfWM looks exactly the same as Stu's drawing.
Just stop being awkward, where you have to disagree with people because you cannot possibly be wrong
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
Have you looked at @Stu drawing above where he has drawn the routes on top of a genuine map? The TfWM looks exactly the same as Stu's drawing.
Just stop being awkward, where you have to disagree with people because you cannot possibly be wrong
I am not an Idiot (Thanks
@Tony for the derogatory statement) or awkward... As I cleatly stated in my last post to you or
@Stu was that my OCD is always a factor in me disagreeing with people.. To answer you queation Yes I did see his map... Again though it's all down to my OCD and if you don't like that then I'm sorry... It's the way I have been for a long time... Sorry
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
How difficult is it to get, @Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
How difficult is it to get, @Stu has shown you with his drawing the map is correct. ONLY THE 40 GOES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. That is why it gets a separate line.
None of the other services do!
Do you know any routes well?
Stone cross road layout hasn't changed for many years, let alone regularly. Certainly not since 2000 when I was a driver at Walsall garage
To answer you question
@Tony I only know my local area routes well!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:48:08 PM
To answer you question @Tony I only know my local area routes well!! 😁
So why are you checking TfWM maps voluntarily, if you don't know the majority of what you are checking?
Quote from: Pat on January 31, 2021, 03:51:43 PM
So why are you checking TfWM maps voluntarily, if you don't know the majority of what you are checking?
I collect all the timetables so I can check the maps agains the timetable maps and or and online map or asking everyonw on here... Yes I know I can get into alot of augments on here but most of the stuff I don't argue with I take on board.. It's also down to the case of my OCD in some cases I'd agree with people on here but in other cases can't I have an option? What's the saying 'free speach' on here you can't say anything as an option unles you get into an argument!! 😁 Which I don't reallly want, but it's all down to my OCD as I keep on saying.... So if I get on peoples nerves sorry, but it's the way I'm built!! 😁
Quote from: Pat on January 31, 2021, 03:51:43 PM
So why are you checking TfWM maps voluntarily, if you don't know the majority of what you are checking?
Plus I was asked by the team who look after producing them as my attention to detail is great in some cases, but obviously not in some cases.. plus as well with my OCD it doesnt help!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 03:58:28 PM
I collect all the timetables so I can check the maps agains the timetable maps and or and online map or asking everyonw on here... Yes I know I can get into alot of augments on here but most of the stuff I don't argue with I take on board.. It's also down to the case of my OCD in some cases I'd agree with people on here but in other cases can't I have an option? What's the saying 'free speach' on here you can't say anything as an option unles you get into an argument!! 😁 Which I don't reallly want, but it's all down to my OCD as I keep on saying.... So if I get on peoples nerves sorry, but it's the way I'm built!! 😁
But the thing is, you think that your opinions is what the public want, despite being told on numerous occasions by someone who has worked on this field of expertise for many years that it is not. It isn't a case of having an opinion, it is a case of what is best for the public.
Quote from: Pat on January 31, 2021, 04:22:50 PM
But the thing is, you think that your opinions is what the public want, despite being told on numerous occasions by someone who has worked on this field of expertise for many years that it is not. It isn't a case of having an opinion, it is a case of what is best for the public.
I take your point
@Pat.. However I am part of the 'generap public' and if I think it looks wrong then I'm darn sure others might.... Agan I take the point abot listening to people who have been in the business for a long time, but time after time there will be things that I disagree with... and if I think I'm right I've got to stand by what I say.... 😁 To be subject to abuse from a moderator isn't good.. but if I don't agree with something I dont expect to be subject to abuse....all be it if I deserve it!! 😁
So can you now see where I'm coming from..
Lastly all I want is what passengers expect.. also may be it's all down to my OCD and may ve it doesnt help if people post thinfs like saying Idiot, although it may seem like I may be thag is quite hurtful and if I said that to you or someone I'd be trown off of banned for a while.. 😁 Not saying
@Tony should be but if he uses hurtful language like that I think there should be some repercussion!! 😁
Yes I may be an idiot in some peoples opinion but there's no need to use that language on here... 😁 You don't see me using that if someone is wrong or constantly on someones nerves!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 04:01:57 PM
Plus I was asked by the team who look after producing them as my attention to detail is great in some cases, but obviously not in some cases.. plus as well with my OCD it doesnt help!!! 😁
Attention to detail is one thing.
Knowledge is a different thing.
Both combined together are very useful. But attention to detail without the relevant knowledge is useless.
You're wasting your time looking for errors if you don't know what is actually correct. Or even incorrect for that matter.
And it also seems a waste of time asking others for help, if you're not going to listen to what you're being told and just start arguments.
There's no shame in telling TfWM that there are some area maps you can't help them with, because you don't know those areas.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 04:43:07 PM
I take your point @Pat.. However I am part of the 'generap public'
So can you now see where I'm coming from..
This is the bit you don't understand at all. You are not representative. Your OCD and enthusiasm is completely different to 99% of the people who are travelling. All they want to know is where they can catch a bus to where they want to go, and what time it runs.
Where it does a U-turn to restart in the other direction, which of two parallel roads it uses without stopping, whether it goes through a roundabout or round it are all totally irrelevant.
I am with you on wanting accuracy on maps and timetables, but sometimes too much information is as bad as none at all.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 04:43:07 PM
I take your point @Pat.. However I am part of the 'generap public' and if I think it looks wrong then I'm darn sure others might.... Agan I take the point abot listening to people who have been in the business for a long time, but time after time there will be things that I disagree with... and if I think I'm right I've got to stand by what I say.... 😁 To be subject to abuse from a moderator isn't good.. but if I don't agree with something I dont expect to be subject to abuse....all be it if I deserve it!! 😁
So can you now see where I'm coming from..
Lastly all I want is what passengers expect.. also may be it's all down to my OCD and may ve it doesnt help if people post thinfs like saying Idiot, although it may seem like I may be thag is quite hurtful and if I said that to you or someone I'd be trown off of banned for a while.. 😁 Not saying @Tony should be but if he uses hurtful language like that I think there should be some repercussion!! 😁
If you are working voluntarily for TfWM, helping them to produce something, then you technically aren't classed as 'the public' in that scenario. You have been proved wrong on multiple occasions about your ideas by many different people, but still don't seem to want to take any notice.
You say you "think" you're right. That proves that you don't know what you're doing, and asking someone in the know to tell you. Therefore, you should take this onboard.
If you disagree with someone with so much more knowledge and experience than you, and don't listen to what they have to tell you, then they're quite right to be annoyed with you. It is Tony's site, and he can do and say what he likes.
Quote from: Pat on January 31, 2021, 05:06:19 PM
If you are working voluntarily for TfWM, helping them to produce something, then you technically aren't classed as 'the public' in that scenario. You have been proved wrong on multiple occasions about your ideas by many different people, but still don't seem to want to take any notice.
You say you "think" you're right. That proves that you don't know what you're doing, and asking someone in the know to tell you. Therefore, you should take this onboard.
If you disagree with someone with so much more knowledge and experience than you, and don't listen to what they have to tell you, then they're quite right to be annoyed with you. It is Tony's site, and he can do and say what he likes.
Well they still class me as the 'general public' so that's what I am.. As I am not paid by them.. Yess
@Stu I can see were you're coming form but if TfWM what help and they have said I can share this with the wider public I don't lexpect to get abuse of the owner of the site.. Yes I know I'm asking for help but if I don't agree with something why can't I have my say without getting abuse thrown back at me.
I don't like confrontatiion and in other terms I wouldn't throw words out that could be hurtful.. Yes I know it's
@Tony site so he may be able to get away with it for a bit but when it's somthing as close to my heart as this is then I don't expect to get abused. I know it may seem that I don't listern but most of the time I do...and if my opinion isn't correct but I stick to what I think it should be then I again don't expect any abuse...especially from the site owner... Now my rant is over I do appreciate the help even if I don't always agree with somethings and some people!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 05:25:18 PM
but if I don't agree with something
What do you not agree with? As far as I can see you've been shown the route it uses, so I don't understand.
Quote from: 2206 on January 31, 2021, 05:28:19 PM
What do you not agree with? As far as I can see you've been shown the route it uses, so I don't understand.
Hi
@2206I think the green line should follow the grey lines to where thre 30 and 66 terminate then come down the Walsall Road towards West Bromwich. If you catch my drift!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 05:25:18 PM
Well they still class me as the 'general public' so that's what I am.. As I am not paid by them.. Yess @Stu I can see were you're coming form but if TfWM what help and they have said I can share this with the wider public I don't lexpect to get abuse of the owner of the site.. Yes I know I'm asking for help but if I don't agree with something why can't I have my say without getting abuse thrown back at me.
I don't like confrontatiion and in other terms I wouldn't throw words out ghat could be hurtful.. Yes I know it's @Tony site so he may be able to get away with it for a bit but when it's somthing as close to my heart as this is then I don't expect to get abused. I know it may seem that I don't listern but most of the time I do...and if my opinion isn't coreect but I stick to wat I think it should be then I again don't expect any abuse...especially from the site owner... Now my rant is over I do appreciate the help even if I don't always agree woth somethings and some people!! 😁
For starters, no-one is 'abusing' you, you were referred to as an 'idiot' because that's what you're presenting yourself as.
You're asking for help, and then arguing with people who are pointing out where you are wrong.
As Tony has previously pointed out, facts are crucial when it comes to determining accuracy, and opinions are not the same as facts.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 05:32:34 PM
Hi @2206
I think the green line should follow the grey lines to where thre 30 and 66 terminate then come down the Walsall Road towards West Bromwich. If you catch my drift!! 😁
Have you thought that the 33 & 66 terminal point star is in the wrong place?
I was parked in that lay-bye on Friday
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1808.html
There is no road where the 30/66 star is. You can see the lay-bye carries on to zig-zags of the crossing of the dual carriageway past the slip road the 40 uses. What isn't shown is that the 30 uses the same road as the 40 to go back. (The 66 doesn't use that bit of road)
Quote from: Stu on January 31, 2021, 05:35:43 PM
For starters, no-one is 'abusing' you, you were referred to as an 'idiot' because that's what you're presenting yourself as.
You're asking for help, and then arguing with people who are pointing out where you are wrong.
As Tony has previously pointed out, facts are crucial when it comes to determining accuracy, and opinions are not the same as facts.
I see where you're coming from but as that word is hurtful I certainly wouldn't use it to describe someone who may not know something but as I've said numerous times I don't mean to start the arguments but I am still the 'general public' and that's TfWM' words and not mine... so I still yhink it loos incorrect although the map that you posted shows it as correct... but on the map that is broduce it doesn't look right... because it looks like its going straight through the Pub and flats. eventhough it clearly doesnt shows it on the google map one... 😁 I'm sorry for the assumption/arguments I dont mean to start them it's just my OCD and some knowledge of the network.. obviously not in great detail, like
@Tony can giv or anyone else on here.. I'm darn sure though if I had said something hurtful and agressive I'd have something done on here... again not saying tony should as he is the owner.. all I can say may be is that before anybody posts anything that could come across hurtflu think of the person who's going to receive it and think if that was me then what woyld I feel..
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 05:42:12 PM
Have you thought that the 33 & 66 terminal point star is in the wrong place?
I was parked in that lay-bye on Friday
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1808.html
There is no road where the 30/66 star is. You can see the lay-bye carries on to zig-zags of the crossing of the dual carriageway past the slip road the 40 uses. What isn't shown is that the 30 uses the same road as the 40 to go back. (The 66 doesn't use that bit of road)
Thanks
@Tony I don't meant to start arguments or disagree with anything but if I think it's right or wrong I have to stick with what I 🤔!! 😁
So does the terminal point need to be moved backwards?
Can we now move past this and get back on track? I know that it was me that started the 'argumemts'!!! Let's move past it now and agree to disagree but hay ho onwards abd upwards!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 05:53:55 PM
Thanks @Tony I don't meant to start arguments or disagree with anything but if I think it's right or wrong I have to stick with what I 🤔!! 😁
So It is a waste of time me trying to help, because as you have just said you will stick with your own opinion anyway whether you are right or wrong
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 05:53:55 PM
So does the terminal point need to be moved backwards?
Well as I have just said the 30 goes down the road which is shown before the terminal point
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 06:01:22 PM
So It is a waste of time me trying to help, because as you have just said you will stick with your own opinion anyway whether you are right or wrong
Well as I have just said the 30 goes down the road which is shown before the terminal point
Not all the time though!! 😁. This time I'm leaving it alone..
But doesn't the 30 and 66 terminate at that stop where you were parked?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 06:06:18 PM
Not all the time though!! 😁. This time I'm leaving it alone..
But doesn't the 30 and 66 terminate at that stop where you were parked?
It is a long lay-bye. The first two bays, where I was parked are 'bus stands' not stops, the two stops, for the 4, 30, 45 & 66 are at the beginning of the lay-bye, although there is no problem with the 66 taking time in the front one as it carries straight on
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2021, 06:15:06 PM
It is a long lay-bye. The first two bays, where I was parked are 'bus stands' not stops, the two stops, for the 4, 30, 45 & 66 are at the beginning of the lay-bye, although there is no problem with the 66 taking time in the front one as it carries straight on
Thanks
@Tony.
I do really appreciate the help. Eventhough sometimes I may come across arsey and argumentative!! 😁
I am getting fed up of this thread and all the problems it is causing by mr Wollaston
Now he keeps ramming his OCD down our throats
Other members are also trying to help and are now getting fed up of him
Please admin lock this thread
Quote from: karl724223 on January 31, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
I am getting fed up of this thread and all the problems it is causing by mr Wollaston
Now he keeps ramming his OCD down our throats
Other members are also trying to help and are now getting fed up of him
Please admin lock this thread
Sorry
@karl724223 I don't mean to offend anybody, however I also have to have asay.. yes I know that other people are helping, but am I 'not' allowed my opinion/suggestion? I know some people don't like my p
options/suggestions but surely I should get a say in the same matter?
Please Admin do not lock it.... I will try and rain my OCD and arguments down to a minimum now!!! 😁
Plust I am Not 'Mr Wollaston'. I don't like the name calling either.. I can take it from
@Tony once in a while but when it's coming for someone else who is 'just' a member I expect more professionalisum!! 😁 I also know that sometimes I can come across a bit argumentative and I am sorry for that... 😁
You won't get no professionalism from me I am fed up of you and the crap you keep posting
And the constant your right everybody else is wrong
Quote from: karl724223 on January 31, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
You won't get no professionalism from me I am fed up of you and the crap you keep posting
And the constant your right everybody else is wrong
I have never said anybody is wrong and I'm always right...I am only suggeting what I think is correct and may be as I'm the 'general public' I'd expect to have a say... yes it may be thst you and others are sick of me posing what you would say is 'crap'... Which in your eyes it probably is but in mine it's not..... also although I am a volunteer TfWM aer still implying I am unxer 'general public' although I am also an enthusiast as well now I'm still the 'general public' in my eyes!! 😁 Now anyway can we just get back onto topic now as I am sick and tired of posing tge same sort of reply to everyone who posts the same as you or Tony... Yes I understand I can get om peoples nerves but I don't mean too!! 😁
I'm sorry you feel like that.... I don't want to come across as if I'm arguing all the time but if I think I'm right I got to stand by what I say... 😁 Like you do and probably would do in other instances!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 31, 2021, 09:17:05 PM
I have never said anybody is wrong and I'm always right...I am only suggeting what I think is correct and may be as I'm the 'general public' I'd expect to have a say... yes it may be thst you and others are sick of me posing what you would say is 'crap'... Which in your eyes it probably is but in mine it's not..... also although I am a volunteer TfWM aer still implying I am unxer 'general public' although I am also an enthusiast as well now I'm still the 'general public' in my eyes!! 😁 Now anyway can we just get back onto topic now as I am sick and tired of posing tge same sort of reply to everyone who posts the same as you or Tony... Yes I understand I can get om peoples nerves but I don't mean too!! 😁
I'm sorry you feel like that.... I don't want to come across as if I'm arguing all the time but if I think I'm right I got to stand by what I say... 😁 Like you do and probably would do in other instances!! 😁
Now you get how we feel having to post the same reply to you time and time again because you won't listen.
Agree with Karl, this thread is getting ridiculous now. Should have been locked a long time ago.