Platinum is NX's vision for high quality travel on key corridors capable of generating revenue growth using next generation Enviro double deckers.
Routes X51 and 900 seem to be front runners for the upgrade.
This has been announced at a couple of meetings I have been to recently involving user groups.
A livery of black with a red front, driven by staff proud to provide customers with enhanced service.
So basically what NX is introducing is an equivalent to Arriva's Sapphire scheme? (Crossing my fingers for WiFi & Power Outlets! :P) I do like the name, Platinum - but by your description of the livery, (not saying you have a bad description) it does seem quite strange for NX to use Black and Red, as opposed to, well, Platinum (or at least silver)...
NX Logic, eh? I hope they're wise with this choice of livery, and not just slap black over the current red design...
Quote from: clayderman on October 09, 2014, 10:10:08 PM
So basically what NX is introducing is an equivalent to Arriva's Sapphire scheme? (Crossing my fingers for WiFi & Power Outlets! :P) I do like the name, Platinum
First have platinum in Aberdeen and Stagecoach have gold.
Perhaps Go Ahead should call it's version plutonium??!! 😄 I guess you can't use silver or bronze because it immediately sounds inferior to gold and platinum!!
It will be interesting to see the planned livery and vehicle specs NXWM propose.
Quote from: JoNi on October 09, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Platinum is NX's vision for high quality travel on key corridors capable of generating revenue growth using next generation Enviro double deckers.
Routes X51 and 900 seem to be front runners for the upgrade.
This has been announced at a couple of meetings I have been to recently involving user groups.
A livery of black with a red front, driven by staff proud to provide customers with enhanced service.
I remember someone mentioning that it was going to use a silver and red scheme, and tbh the X51 needs new buses more than the 900 (54 plate Gemini's, compared to 13 plate E400's), either way this is gonna be interesting...
Quote from: ARJ2901 on October 10, 2014, 07:50:22 AM
Quote from: JoNi on October 09, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Platinum is NX's vision for high quality travel on key corridors capable of generating revenue growth using next generation Enviro double deckers.
Routes X51 and 900 seem to be front runners for the upgrade.
This has been announced at a couple of meetings I have been to recently involving user groups.
A livery of black with a red front, driven by staff proud to provide customers with enhanced service.
I remember someone mentioning that it was going to use a silver and red scheme, and tbh the X51 needs new buses more than the 900 (54 plate Gemini's, compared to 13 plate E400's), either way this is gonna be interesting...
The 'Platinum' buses that are expected to upgrade the 900 will be a higher spec compared with standard E400's that currently operate the route, therefore age is irrelevant. The 13 plate E400's will no doubt be cascaded on to another route to upgrade that with nearly new buses.
If JoNi is right and NXWM are intending to use a black with red front livery on its Platinum vehicles then I will know that they have finally and totally lost the plot. This will be their opportunity to introduce a livery that has been 'designed' and has the 'wow' factor rather than a fairly basic livery based on a simplistic paint the front 1/3rd one colour and the rest another colour, oh and let's set it at an angle where the colours meet. Don't let this opportunity pass you by NX.
Black with a red front.
MSPaint 1998 at its finest.
What did they do? Look at a child's drawing and said "yes! That's what I want for Platinum"
More of a front to cost saving, it being one colour and all... And then the red front being already red I guess it'll be a black stickers like that other god awful stickered red and white... Appease the peeling!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 11, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Black with a red front.
MSPaint 1998 at its finest.
What did they do? Look at a child's drawing and said "yes! That's what I want for Platinum"
More of a front to cost saving, it being one colour and all... And then the red front being already red I guess it'll be a black stickers like that other god awful stickered red and white... Appease the peeling!
The original quote of black with a red front is a very poor description.
Perhaps this might give an idea of the livery on these kind of buses?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3132.msg110055#msg110055
When does the first bus come into service
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 11, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
When does the first bus come into service
Please read before asking that question. The answer is in the link I provided above.
Why is it only recent members ask that question again and again and again and f*cking again? >:(
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 12, 2014, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 11, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
When does the first bus come into service
Please read before asking that question. The answer is in the link I provided above.
Why is it only recent members ask that question again and again and again and f*cking again? >:(
I did read it all there is no date all it says is next year I was just trying to find out
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 12, 2014, 01:21:53 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 12, 2014, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 11, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
When does the first bus come into service
Please read before asking that question. The answer is in the link I provided above.
Why is it only recent members ask that question again and again and again and f*cking again? >:(
I did read it all there is no date all it says is next year I was just trying to find out
Then, wait. Have patience. Details normally reveal later.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 12, 2014, 01:38:47 AM
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 12, 2014, 01:21:53 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 12, 2014, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 11, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
When does the first bus come into service
Please read before asking that question. The answer is in the link I provided above.
Why is it only recent members ask that question again and again and again and f*cking again? >:(
I did read it all there is no date all it says is next year I was just trying to find out
Then, wait. Have patience. Details normally reveal later.
Ok
Do not even dare say this bus doesn't look like a better NX livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124512893@N05/15350678790/ - Credit to Owner
Would be nice, and does suit the description of NX Platinum...
I sense a bit of unnecessary attitude with somebody asking a simple question or have a mis read. Umm chill pill or something required. :-\ ::)
Oh, well, tough. There is a button 'Report to Moderator' if you don't like it rather than making an indirect comment.
Not really that bothered, ::)
Gentlemen, stop your bickering.
Here's me thinking page two had something of worthwhile substance. Mistaken.
~
Yes, that VirginTrains livery does look similar to what the new NX livery should've been. I think they could've adapted the greystripes or 'cconnexion bars' to something, perhaps a block black background to them - similar to the Virgin livery on that E300.
Maybe Platinum would give us a clue to what the standard livery could transform into.
Hehe, I would say the only was is up from now on, but given NX's track record.... I'll hold my tongue for the time being.
C.
If Stagecoach had took NXWM over, that livery might not have been too far from a reality!
That virgin bus livery does look very good indeed, it would like an evolution of the current livery so joe public could reckonize it as an nx product.
Will the new Platinum buses have Wi Fi and power sockets (for mobiles) etc. After my experience going on a Sapphire 110 bus yesterday, which was the most impressive environment I've experienced on a bus, then surely NXWM should go the same way !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 28, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Will the new Platinum buses have Wi Fi and power sockets (for mobiles) etc. After my experience going on a Sapphire 110 bus yesterday, which was the most impressive environment I've experienced on a bus, then surely NXWM should go the same way !
I believe both are included.
I hope the E400's that are going to operate the platinum routes are full height......after getting on a arriva saphire 110 to the city centre the other day, I sat upstairs and firstly the seats are fantastic and comfortable and the wifi is a great idea along with the plug sockets but because they are only 13 foot 10 inches tall the upstairs ceiling is a tad too low for my liking as im over 6 foot tall and not the size of a mouse........So NXWM take note please make sure your platinum E400's are 14 foot 6 iches tall please :]
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2014, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 28, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Will the new Platinum buses have Wi Fi and power sockets (for mobiles) etc. After my experience going on a Sapphire 110 bus yesterday, which was the most impressive environment I've experienced on a bus, then surely NXWM should go the same way !
I believe both are included.
Aside from the (slightly disappointing) description of the livery, Platinum is beginning to sound quite promising! :D It'll give me an excuse to visit Walsall more (on the X51), as well as Coventry, I guess. :-\ However, if all goes to plan, and my sister gets the job in Solihull, it would be a 'blessing' to use all services on these allocated buses. :P :P
Quote from: dw1308 on October 28, 2014, 10:40:01 PM
I hope the E400's that are going to operate the platinum routes are full height......after getting on a arriva saphire 110 to the city centre the other day, I sat upstairs and firstly the seats are fantastic and comfortable and the wifi is a great idea along with the plug sockets but because they are only 13 foot 10 inches tall the upstairs ceiling is a tad too low for my liking as im over 6 foot tall and not the size of a mouse........So NXWM take note please make sure your platinum E400's are 14 foot 6 iches tall please :]
It does amuse me that people go on about this. How much of your journey is spent sat in the comfortable seat with extra legroom, and how much of it is spent stood up on the top deck?
There have always been lowheight double deckers, it makes having double deckers more flexible. Tamworth always tended to have them as they would go under the railway bridge in Lichfield where full height wouldn't.
WMPTE and its successors generally tended to go for full height as far as I know, possibly as on more urban routes passengers are up and down and on and off more than they would be on say the 110.
It does seem to be a standard option for Arriva nationally to order low height deckers with the exception in the past of Leicester, Derby and London. I'm not sure why Leicester and Derby have been different to the rest of the UK!
Quote from: tc on October 29, 2014, 09:14:38 PM
It does seem to be a standard option for Arriva nationally to order low height deckers with the exception in the past of Leicester, Derby and London. I'm not sure why Leicester and Derby have been different to the rest of the UK!
Maybe the people of Leicester and derby are taller ;)
Quote from: Lukeee on October 29, 2014, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: tc on October 29, 2014, 09:14:38 PM
It does seem to be a standard option for Arriva nationally to order low height deckers with the exception in the past of Leicester, Derby and London. I'm not sure why Leicester and Derby have been different to the rest of the UK!
Maybe the people of Leicester and derby are taller ;)
Arriva's use of low height double deckers may simply be a hangover from NBC days, parts of which had used low height Bristol (the maker) buses since the mid 50s and earlier. BMMOs D9s at Tamworth (and earlier types) were certainly not low height but all Fleetlines up until the introduction of the bus grant in 1968 were - but had standard height interiors - one of the reasons it sold so well. The bus grant in 1968 set two vehicle heights (13ft 9in) (for NBC) and 14ft 6in (for London Transport - yes something else which they could be blamed for) - WMPTE negotiated successfully with the ministry for an intermediate height to which their standard Fleetlines were built. The earlier Jumbo Fleetlines as 3913 at Wythall were to original bus grant height and wouldn't go under a number of key bridges on the system.
Going back to the E400 Major Model Change buses planned for Platinum routes, I can't see them being anything but normal height - I'm not over 6ft and have banged my head both upstairs and downstairs getting up to get off Arriva's hybrid B5s - perhaps they need to re-think passenger safety and focus v operating convenience outside of London, Derby and Leicester - I'm guessing if they had sufficient injury claims they might well do!!!
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2014, 10:49:29 AM
That virgin bus livery does look very good indeed, it would like an evolution of the current livery so joe public could reckonize it as an nx product.
Whilst it's resemblance to NXWM West Midlands and Dundee livery is undeniable, wouldn't its adoption by West Midlands simply serve to confuse people into thinking there is a tie up between Virgin Trains (which operates in the West Midlands) and NX Group?
I still think employing professionals such as Best Impressions to come up with a livery would be the best solution. Livery is such an important brand identifier that to not do so would potentially waste an opportunity - and who knows, perhaps Ray Stenning might run more Midlands themed articles in Classic Bus if they did............ poor old David Harvey appears to have been relegated to the letters page of late!!!
If anyone wants a preview of what the Platinum livery will look like then have a look on Snow Hill Queensway Thursday 8am to10am
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
If anyone wants a preview of what the Platinum livery will look like then have a look on Snow Hill Queensway Thursday 8am to10am
I've been asked to drive the Platinum launch bus on Thursday now, so an old face with a new liveried bus
Unfortunately won't be there, but eagerly await the photos of the new scheme.
Oooh! Looking forward intently!
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
If anyone wants a preview of what the Platinum livery will look like then have a look on Snow Hill Queensway Thursday 8am to10am
I work by there so I'll be taking a look. Where in particular will we see this preview?
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 06:48:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
If anyone wants a preview of what the Platinum livery will look like then have a look on Snow Hill Queensway Thursday 8am to10am
I've been asked to drive the Platinum launch bus on Thursday now, so an old face with a new liveried bus
Would you be willing to say which vehicle type? Or would we have to wait and see? ;) :D I'd be willing to skip school for this. lol
Quote from: Mike K on November 11, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
If anyone wants a preview of what the Platinum livery will look like then have a look on Snow Hill Queensway Thursday 8am to10am
I work by there so I'll be taking a look. Where in particular will we see this preview?
I think is is going to be parked in the out of city lay-by where the 74/75 stop
Shame not the near thehigh street or the bull ring bull area if shows exhibitions etc ca still gain access or is Snow hill designed to catch the eye of train commuters and office workers etc.
I'll come along and have a look.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 11, 2014, 08:51:02 PM
Shame not the near thehigh street or the bull ring bull area if shows exhibitions etc ca still gain access or is Snow hill designed to catch the eye of train commuters and office workers etc.
It is not the launch of Platinum, that is a few months off. It is to do with the council launch of 'Birmingham Connected' see http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/bmap It is basically just an advert of what NX wants to do to improve public transport in Birmingham
More of Mr Bore, hope it goes well. About time I saw where council tax goes.
This is what you will see in Birmingham this morning http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723A.html
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2014, 06:19:49 AM
This is what you will see in Birmingham this morning http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723A.html
Now that is undeniably smart. A real livery.
That is really smart, they could do that on some ALX400s!
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 13, 2014, 06:32:30 AM
That is really smart, they could do that on some ALX400s!
...but they probably won't. And why should they?
I must admit that looks great. Substitute the light grey with white, and the dark grey with red/sky blue, and there you have a great new livery for the 'standard' buses. :D
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2014, 07:31:38 AM
I must admit that looks great. Substitute the light grey with white, and the dark grey with red/sky blue, and there you have a great new livery for the 'standard' buses. :D
Does look smart, of interest is the branding. Is it just a mock-up or will the 957 become the X1?
Must say that I'm really not a fan of that at all, looks incredibly boring
I think it looks incredible, been to see it in person this morning... Not bad at all, although the grey is darker than i anticipated... And will the X1 be an actual service? Or was it just for a branding example? (Which is more likely)
If the 957 becomes the X1, will the 900 be the X2? Maybe the 900E would be the X1.5 haha
Seriously though would they renumber all the "Platinum" services to the X prefix?
Maybe the X64 should lose its X. Its hardly platinum.
According to capital radio, 58 new buses and 10 platinum routes in birmingham and the black country.
As for the livery, change the dark grey to blue, the light grey to silver/white and it's basically a modern version of the old livery
Quote from: clayderman on November 13, 2014, 08:36:13 AM
I think it looks incredible, been to see it in person this morning... Not bad at all, although the grey is darker than i anticipated... And will the X1 be an actual service? Or was it just for a branding example? (Which is more likely)
I agree, the lighter of the two greys does look far darker in the flesh. It's certainly a livery that will need to be kept looking clean and tidy. Very smart though.
Quote from: Andrew on November 13, 2014, 10:18:19 AM
According to capital radio, 58 new buses and 10 platinum routes in birmingham and the black country.
As for the livery, change the dark grey to blue, the light grey to silver/white and it's basically a modern version of the old livery
Just heard the same of Free Radio, surely 58 new buses isn't going to be enough to upgrade 10 routes to Platinum??
When compared to Arriva's Sapphire it's just boring; the grey is too matte.
And couldn't they have used a bus with the grey interior? It just looks odd.
What bits will the normal livery keep? The dark grey the same, the light grey as cargo white, and the red as either red or blue? Or will the whole of the dark grey become red/blue?
Quote from: Oozells on November 13, 2014, 11:24:16 AM
When compared to Arriva's Sapphire it's just boring; the grey is too matte.
And couldn't they have used a bus with the grey interior? It just looks odd.
What bits will the normal livery keep? The dark grey the same, the light grey as cargo white, and the red as either red or blue? Or will the whole of the dark grey become red/blue?
The bus on display is to demonstrate how the new 'Platinum' paint scheme will look only.
The current interior is irrelevant.
Just showed the photo to one of my mates (none of whom care about buses), one of them says "a bus shouldn't be the same colour as tarmac", I totally agree. Not really gonna stand out in the city centre I must say.
I didn't manage to see it in the flesh (woke up late and then got held up in traffic on the Hagley Rd and by the time I got there it was gone :()
I'm not sure I like it... I will probably look better on the new style E400 body but the first time I saw it it just made me think of Lothian's livery with the curve behind the front wheel - and so many operators have used the downward curve below the front upper deck window (Stagecoach Gold springs to mind). I expected it to have more in common with the current livery. The red bands below the windows give it a nice link back to TWM red stripe livery though, whether that was intentional or not - paint the top part blue on the standard buses please!
I can see the interior being the same as the demo bus at the 100yrs event (below), but slightly darker greys - would fit nicely with the colours on the exterior
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/14915415236/in/set-72157646086515768
Look smart
Quote from: Cheese on November 13, 2014, 07:19:36 AM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 13, 2014, 06:32:30 AM
That is really smart, they could do that on some ALX400s!
...but they probably won't. And why should they?
"And why should they?" What a sense of humour. Because the Platinum livery shown has the look of having been designed to compete with other companies ever improving liveries as opposed to the current standard livery which certainly was not 'designed' by anyone with a forward thinking 21st century mindset. Never was there a more boring livery. Now for the standard livery NX.
Here are the pics I took of 4723;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15595449947/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15595450147/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15595450157/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15595450167/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15595450297/
will they have another one on Saturday so those who couldn't make it like 10- 4
Really annoyed I missed it now I know it was 4723 :( looks much better than the current rubbish though, a bit grey but I suppose it is supposed to look more professional which it certainly does. My only worry is will it look as good on the MMC? Time will tell.
Quote from: Cheese on November 13, 2014, 07:19:36 AM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 13, 2014, 06:32:30 AM
That is really smart, they could do that on some ALX400s!
...but they probably won't. And why should they?
Because they can use some on branded routes.
Nice photos, really want to see it will it be shown at the weekend?
I wonder what routes will have platinum?
Please *modify* your previous post in future to prevent double posting, Winston
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2014, 04:09:58 PM
I wonder what routes will have platinum?
My views are the 50, 45/47, 61/63, 900, 74, 87, 900, 957, 529, 51, most of the Aston Expressway routes and the 97. Mainly the routes that have branding could maybe get it.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 13, 2014, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2014, 04:09:58 PM
I wonder what routes will have platinum?
My views are the 50, 45/47, 61/63, 900, 74, 87, 900, 957, 529, 51, most of the Aston Expressway routes and the 97. Mainly the routes that have branding.
Your views will be incorrect then, there's a list on the Centro website of which roads/routes are becoming 'Gold Corridors' & most likely destinations for some/all the 'Platinum' buses
You'd need 158 buses to do that lot.....
Looking at the photos it looks really good - smart livery and like the use of red, silver and grey.
Where on centro is the list?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2014, 04:32:10 PM
Where on centro is the list?
http://www.mynetwork.org.uk/Programme.aspx
From 'Gold Corridor' thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3294.0
Thanks, Winston
I see that the improvements shall be delivered by 2015 - with the Warwick Road being mentioned does that mean that the 37 shall receive new buses next year? As TWM/NX decided to convert the route single deck back in 2007, for vandalism issues, wonder if they will still keep it single deck? Enviro 200MMCs? Or will they refurbish the Scanias into the new grey/silver livery. I could see that working - would save them from refurbishment later on and with a new interior fitted, no one would notice the difference. ]]
My other question is - is what is going to happen to 4723 now? Will it keep the livery and work at YW as it used to?
- Tank 90 - I agree - it does look like the Signature livery in a way.
This is a great looking livery, it brings a sense of Signature livery to things which is a good thing.
And it looks like you could change it to go where ever you want it too. Platinum and the lower Red band could be light blue or cobalt blue for Coventry and for Dundee saltire blue (as I think Dundee should be Saltire blue anyway to reflect the fact they are Scottish).
AS for the main livery taking bits from the platinum and current livery would work well and maybe liveries of old. Maybe change the mid grey for a silvery white and keep the the rest or go down a new road as too define a new look but as this would be counter productive due to the fact youve just got most of the fleet into the dealer red front dip livery there is not much of a point just yet.
What's happening to 4723?
Is it going to BC or staying at YW?
If it's going to BC then will some other 472* buses join it?
To answer a few questions, If you missed it today, you've missed it. I took it back to Walsall to be painted Red & White.
When I left Snow Hill with it I took the directors back to Bordesley garage in it, then drove it around Digbeth 3 times for the Press office to get some photos and then back via Moor Street Queensway, Miller Street and Walsall town centre to Walsall garage, during all the time I was driving it I didn't see any enthusiasts photograph it which is quite amazing considering where I drove it.
It is the aim that only new buses will carry this livery, of which 58 will be delivered next year.
The MD did tell the press today that these 58 buses are in addition to the agreement with Centro for 600 new buses in five years, so it looks like 658 new buses at least
I really like it. It looks very smart. Yes it's mostly grey, but there's something slightly reminiscent of the old Tracline livery - which makes me smile.
Do you know for sure any platinum routes?
Very impressed. As it has been mentioned, looks like a proper transition from older WMT/pte liveries. Forget the whole of 1993-2014 liveries hahaha.
Quote from: trident4370 on November 13, 2014, 03:59:07 PM
Really annoyed I missed it now I know it was 4723 :( looks much better than the current rubbish though, a bit grey but I suppose it is supposed to look more professional which it certainly does. My only worry is will it look as good on the MMC? Time will tell.
Tbh, I do think the 'Platinum' font on the logo doesn't suit, but regarding your question about if it'll look good on the E400MMC, I think it would. For example, in one of Rob's photos (which are great quality, btw) at the front, you can see a red strip go across the bottom of the windshield, which, personally, will suit the MMC and would certainly look 'flush'.
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
To answer a few questions, If you missed it today, you've missed it. I took it back to Walsall to be painted Red & White.
When I left Snow Hill with it I took the directors back to Bordesley garage in it, then drove it around Digbeth 3 times for the Press office to get some photos and then back via Moor Street Queensway, Miller Street and Walsall town centre to Walsall garage, during all the time I was driving it I didn't see any enthusiasts photograph it which is quite amazing considering where I drove it.
It is the aim that only new buses will carry this livery, of which 58 will be delivered next year.
The MD did tell the press today that these 58 buses are in addition to the agreement with Centro for 600 new buses in five years, so it looks like 658 new buses at least
Tony,
Has the partnership agreement being extended further? As originally it was 300 new buses by Summer 2015.
Even more new buses & high spec, impressive levels of investment! :)
I have added a couple more shots of 4723 today, one at Bordesley, one on Walsall Road, amazing how the grey changes depending on the light
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723.html
I really hate being a miserable old Git,but isn't the world dull enough without dreary,dark colours on the buses?
Is it actually beyond designers to choose a livery which conveys cheerfulness?
Still ,suppose it could be worse (although not much) ...........could have copied the Diamond Bus funeral hearses.
If this livery is supposed to attract passengers then It is about as likely as Wolves winning the Champions League.
The Silver/Grey combination, with the red stripe looks smart - it's a massive improvement on the standard red/white livery (rather have this as a standard livery across the whole fleet!)
All looks and sounds very promising, it just seems a bit ?????? (you decide); nearly 20 years to effectively bring back the West Midlands Travel "Timesaver" network. Okay we didn't have Wifi in those days lol.
Mind I suppose there has been a recession so can let the management off on those grounds.
Their is a map in the evening mail outlining longer term plans include rapid sprint routes etc, can't find it on the council site though. Yippee Washwood heath rd via Hodge Hill to Coleshill parkway station is getting on according to this map. Probably not in my life time though.
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
To answer a few questions, If you missed it today, you've missed it. I took it back to Walsall to be painted Red & White.
When I left Snow Hill with it I took the directors back to Bordesley garage in it, then drove it around Digbeth 3 times for the Press office to get some photos and then back via Moor Street Queensway, Miller Street and Walsall town centre to Walsall garage, during all the time I was driving it I didn't see any enthusiasts photograph it which is quite amazing considering where I drove it.
It is the aim that only new buses will carry this livery, of which 58 will be delivered next year.
The MD did tell the press today that these 58 buses are in addition to the agreement with Centro for 600 new buses in five years, so it looks like 658 new buses at least
.
Tony when you say "....only new buses will carry this livery......." is that all new buses in future or only vehicles destined for gold corridor routes? If the latter is any consideration being given to 'refreshing'/updating the standard livery?
Saw 4723 in the flesh this morning, it looked fantastic even on a grey morning.
I think it looks really stylish and modern, and should hide the dirt! The red helps to lift the livery and provides a bright contrast to prevent the greys being too dull. :)
Hey tony this is like deja vu! Remember when they painted the tracline A reg Metrobus into Timesaver livery in the 80s for publicity shots prior to the real things being delivered. I always wondered what happened to it did it go on timesaver routes?
How would the fleet numbers be as 4*** or 5*** or 6*** or 7*** or 8***
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 13, 2014, 08:08:44 PM
All looks and sounds very promising, it just seems a bit ?????? (you decide); nearly 20 years to effectively bring back the West Midlands Travel "Timesaver" network. Okay we didn't have Wifi in those days lol.
Mind I suppose there has been a recession so can let the management off on those grounds.
Their is a map in the evening mail outlining longer term plans include rapid sprint routes etc, can't find it on the council site though. Yippee Washwood heath rd via Hodge Hill to Coleshill parkway station is getting on according to this map. Probably not in my life time though.
Found this online, but no map
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/4bn-birmingham-transport-improvements-revealed-8098875
B'ham congestion charges still being considered:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-congestion-charges-could-still-8103383
When will the 58 buses be in service in this livery
Wasnt it a bit of a waste of money painting the bus in the new livery only for a day would of been better of had it do the rounds
for a month then see what folks think of the livery at each road show it went to
https://www.centro.org.uk/media/358890/Prospectus_Presentation.pdf
The map I was referring to, is slide 11. I have to say lack of attention to detail in some of the formatting, council needs to have a word with who ever produced this lol.
Tell a lie above map looks like the one that was in yesterdays evening mail, but has been changed again. This one has part of the 70 route as a proposed sprint route.
I think it was a bit of a waste to paint it in that livery then suddenly change it back within 2 days.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 14, 2014, 07:20:58 AM
I think it was a bit of a waste to paint it in that livery then suddenly change it back within 2 days.
It was painted specifically for yesterday's event, so I do see how it was a waste, had NX been able to build one E400MMC in Platinum early for the event I'm sure they would of done,
It never ceases to amaze me how NX wastes money on one hand while operating financial cultures that result in buses being cancelled most days. If it was for a day I would have thought it would have been "wrapped".
In North Kent Arriva refurbished 58 plate Enviros complete with fitting them with full rear destination blinds. If NX knew this event then they could refurbished an existing bus to Platinum standard, but I suspect that would have exceeded that "silos" budget!
Quote from: JoNi on November 14, 2014, 10:13:42 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how NX wastes money on one hand while operating financial cultures that result in buses being cancelled most days. If it was for a day I would have thought it would have been "wrapped".
In North Kent Arriva refurbished 58 plate Enviros complete with fitting them with full rear destination blinds. If NX knew this event then they could refurbished an existing bus to Platinum standard, but I suspect that would have exceeded that "silos" budget!
NX (Dean Finch) has previously said he would rather buy brand new than refurbish older midlife vehicles, those type of refurbishments are only cosmetic and you wouldn't gain the benefits of more fuel efficient Euro 6 engines
That implies a positive change of policy on Dean Finch's part as wasn't he the one who signed a partnership agreement that saw the Trident's refurbished on the first place. Or is just the spectre of NEXUS style franchising!
Quote from: JoNi on November 14, 2014, 10:47:55 AM
That implies a positive change of policy on Dean Finch's part as wasn't he the one who signed a partnership agreement that saw the Trident's refurbished on the first place. Or is just the spectre of NEXUS style franchising!
That policy has been pretty much been in place the last couple of years or so when the Mercs refurbs ceased, NX continue to 'lightly re-furbishing their existing double decker fleet' with repaints/re-trims etc. However, they now favour to buy new vehicles & replace existing, as opposed to heavy refurb's to extend existing vehicle's lives and are targeting a low overall average age.
But is that smoke and mirrors where you have massive investment to get the age down over 5 years rather than stating specific aspirations for average vehicle by 2020, 2025 and better still be committed to having no vehicle older than 3 years old out at night and Sundays just like in the mid 80s. As already mentioned platinum is 21st century Timesaver. The back to the future initiative. A far from convinced driver spoke to me recently and said "it's b*ll**ks" sounds like a communication problem!
Quote from: JoNi on November 14, 2014, 02:24:45 PM
But is that smoke and mirrors where you have massive investment to get the age down over 5 years rather than stating specific aspirations for average vehicle by 2020, 2025 and better still be committed to having no vehicle older than 3 years old out at night and Sundays just like in the mid 80s. As already mentioned platinum is 21st century Timesaver. The back to the future initiative. A far from convinced driver spoke to me recently and said "it's b*ll**ks" sounds like a communication problem!
They may have already stated the average age that they are aiming towards, I can't remember, you'll have to check their RNS's,
Who cares if it's a 21st Centuary 'Timesaver', the routes that are being upgraded will benefit from brand new, fuel efficient, high spec buses that produce lower emissions. As long as passengers benefit and the relaunch has the potential to remove car journey's off the road & help ease congestion, does it really matter...... ?
RNS you beat me there despite having 74 to choose from!
http://www.acronymattic.com/RNS.html
Quote from: JoNi on November 14, 2014, 03:30:25 PM
RNS you beat me there despite having 74 to choose from!
http://www.acronymattic.com/RNS.html
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/products-and-services/rns/rns.htm
I agree with Winston here - the buses Platinum will bring shall be an improvement on the buses NX already have out - it's hardly back to the future, considering these buses will have Wi-Fi, Leather Seats, etc. which Timesaver did not.
From what I remember of the timesavers i bet 100% they were a lot for comfortable than leather on these new platinums will be. As i said earlier apart from the fact their has been a recession can't understand how come it has taken so long.
Arriva have themselves only just introduced a premium service - NX have been investing in the fleet consistently over the last few years which is good - and at least NX are introducing the premium service now - better late than never. It's certainly an improvement over 2010 when the future of NXWM was in doubt.
If, as seems likely, this livery will only be applied to 'new' Platinum vehicles then surely it must be a given that NX will review the existing 'standard' livery. The 2 liveries are like chalk and cheese and if the standard cheap and cheerful livery is not revised to reflect in some way the more sophisticated and impressive Platinum livery it will be like having 2 separate bus companies. At the very least the platinum liveried vehicles will put the standard liveried vehicles in the shade, metaphorically speaking. Something along the lines adopted by Arriva, where their Sapphire vehicles are still recognisable as being part of the Arrive stable will surely have to happen within NXWM. Does anyone know who is responsible for the Platinum livery. In house or outside designers?
In house I believe - and I swear I saw on the forum that at some point over the last few months that the current livery is going to be revised.
On this topic
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3132.45
Andrew's post, 12th post down the page.
Has it been said that if this Platinum livery was in blue, it'll be a proper evolution of the Metrobus livery. (Or TWM none-low-floor)
When was the livery released for Platinum?
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
When was the livery released for Platinum?
...Tony showed it off yesterday using an old E400. It'll be in full swing next year. It is all explained in the previous 7 pages of this thread.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
When was the livery released for Platinum?
...Tony showed it off yesterday using an old E400. It'll be in full swing next year. It is all explained in the previous 7 pages of this thread.
Ok cheers mate. I take it it was to put to rest the debates about the livery on the forum haha.
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
When was the livery released for Platinum?
...Tony showed it off yesterday using an old E400. It'll be in full swing next year. It is all explained in the previous 7 pages of this thread.
Ok cheers mate. I take it it was to put to rest the debates about the livery on the forum haha.
Yeah it's really impressive.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723.html
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Also read in yesterdays evening mail as part of the this Platinum/Birmingham connected scheme, they are planning a bus route to do the A4540 inner ring road, I bet their will be long queues at Brum central garage to drive that route, lol.
I was given the impression drivers would be smartly dressed with new uniforms and Platinum ties (colour not substance).
Anyone with urges to design a new livery can use the hyperlink below from Lothian Buses children's section. I appreciate NX are not buying Wright buses.
http://lothianbuses.com/our-community/schools/design-a-bus
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
*formerly* Black Diamond. ;) - to the commenter above, arrifirststage, they've all been named Diamond now, with most, if not all of Long Acre garage carrying a blue livery. I think Tividale garage still has some buses to go for repaint...
As the 58 Platinum buses are not part of the agreement for 600 from Alexander Dennis, will they be supplied by Alexander Dennis as well?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 14, 2014, 08:49:32 PM
As the 58 Platinum buses are not part of the agreement for 600 from Alexander Dennis, will they be supplied by Alexander Dennis as well?
Yes, as ADL are exclusive suppliers to NX Uk Bus for the next 5 years
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Yes,that's the one.....was arguably the worst livery ever..............although this platinum runs it close.
Why can we not have something bright and cheerful,this platinum has about as much chance of attracting passengers as Wolves have of winning the Champions League.
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Yes,that's the one.....was arguably the worst livery ever..............although this platinum runs it close.
Why can we not have something bright and cheerful,this platinum has about as much chance of attracting passengers as Wolves have of winning the Champions League.
Dark coloured liveries can be effective too. Black hasn't done the Transdev 36 Leeds to Harrogate service any harm.
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Yes,that's the one.....was arguably the worst livery ever..............although this platinum runs it close.
Why can we not have something bright and cheerful,this platinum has about as much chance of attracting passengers as Wolves have of winning the Champions League.
How many brightly coloured limo's and executive cars do you see on the roads? you don't, because more luxurious vehicles are normally dark colours, it's more sophisticated.
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Yes,that's the one.....was arguably the worst livery ever..............although this platinum runs it close.
Why can we not have something bright and cheerful,this platinum has about as much chance of attracting passengers as Wolves have of winning the Champions League.
How many brightly coloured limo's and executive cars do you see on the roads? you don't, because more luxurious vehicles are normally dark colours, it's more sophisticated.
There seems to be a lot of budding Ray Stennings on here
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2014, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 14, 2014, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 14, 2014, 08:02:33 PM
Certainly doesn't impress me.......dark,gloomy and depressing,marginally better than Diamond Bus old funeral hearse livery.........but no other obvious advantages.
Funeral hearse? ...Black Diamond?
Yes,that's the one.....was arguably the worst livery ever..............although this platinum runs it close.
Why can we not have something bright and cheerful,this platinum has about as much chance of attracting passengers as Wolves have of winning the Champions League.
How many brightly coloured limo's and executive cars do you see on the roads? you don't, because more luxurious vehicles are normally dark colours, it's more sophisticated.
There seems to be a lot of budding Ray Stennings on here
But even Ray Stenning doesn't win every job....
TBH I don't see why everyone is slagging it off. I like it! It gives off the idea 'platinum' should, a slick and swarve livery with a nice tone in colour.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 14, 2014, 08:15:54 PM
Also read in yesterdays evening mail as part of the this Platinum/Birmingham connected scheme, they are planning a bus route to do the A4540 inner ring road, I bet their will be long queues at Brum central garage to drive that route, lol.
Hahahahahaha!!!! Imagine the delays!!! And need a quick bus for those islands ;-)
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
TBH I don't see why everyone is slagging it off. I like it! It gives off the idea 'platinum' should, a slick and swarve livery with a nice tone in colour.
I agree, I like it very much!
It's sophisticated and not childish like some other examples of "premium" routes!
There is an old saying.... You'll never please everyone... and that's the case here.
If NXWM hadn't done a "platinum" livery, everybody would of been saying that they aren't trying, they release a new livery and upgrade major routes into "platinum" routes, probably won't charge people any extra to travel on them (unlike some others) and still people moan, quite frankly it's unbelievable!
Just my two pence worth.
Quote from: Driver03 on November 15, 2014, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: NXDom on November 14, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
TBH I don't see why everyone is slagging it off. I like it! It gives off the idea 'platinum' should, a slick and swarve livery with a nice tone in colour.
I agree, I like it very much!
It's sophisticated and not childish like some other examples of "premium" routes!
There is an old saying.... You'll never please everyone... and that's the case here.
If NXWM hadn't done a "platinum" livery, everybody would of been saying that they aren't trying, they release a new livery and upgrade major routes into "platinum" routes, probably won't charge people any extra to travel on them (unlike some others) and still people moan, quite frankly it's unbelievable!
Just my two pence worth.
Exactly, it looks professional, which a name like platinum should produce.
Whatever the bus looks like it's the all round service that matters.
Will the bus shelters be upgraded to be more like tramstops illuminated at all times and be kept immaculate after all they are 24 hour a day advert for the service, special stop signs?
Will platinum be well marketed, timetables available even at Bus stops,
If a platinum bus isn't available and a normal bus is substituted will customers get a free day ticket.
All these things happen elsewhere!
Platinum could be the start of a customer lead culture, but that requires a change in vision, cultures and communication.
The bus shelters are already being replaced across the region, with the new silver design - with lighting fitted. I'm yet to come across a bus stop in the whole region without a timetable - I've been to other areas of the country where the timetables are either too confusing, give no approximate journey times or not even there. I'm sure NX will try and avoid substituting a bus whenever possible - but I am sure customers would rather have a normal NX bus turn up rather than none at all - hardly worth a free day ticket if there is an occasional problem which means that a normal NX bus is needed - as long as it turns up on time. I don't think Arriva provide a free day ticket when a Sapphire bus fails to be run.
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 15, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
I don't think Arriva provide a free day ticket when a Sapphire bus fails to be run.
They daren't in Derby at the moment. The PVR is one less than the current fleet! When the Wright Streetdeck enters service this will be fixed but still need every bus to be fit every Monday to Friday
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 15, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
I don't think Arriva provide a free day ticket when a Sapphire bus fails to be run.
They daren't in Derby at the moment. The PVR is one less than the current fleet! When the Wright Streetdeck enters service this will be fixed but still need every bus to be fit every Monday to Friday
Crikey - that's sailing close to the wind!! I guess they could drive some up the road from Burton or Leicester if really neccessary.
On the platinum branded bus, I thought it looked rather good. My one concern is the size and contrast of colour of the fonts. It looks too small to me. Having driven down the M40 last week and seen the Oxford Tube coaches - these are instantly recognisable - and memorable even from driving a car - if I was thinking of travelling from Oxford to Central London I would definitely have that in my mind as a possibility. Would I with the platinum branding - well I would have to stand and read it to take it in based on current fonts.
On the standard NX bus livery I've never understood why the standard NX colours aren't used on the logo. Those E400s in Glasgow looked superb to my mind with the red and blue logo. This would add a touch of blue to each vehicle and most importantly, set LS's mind at rest concerning the need for blue on Birmingham's buses (albeit not of the dark or Oxford variety)!!! Serious point though - the logo and its colours are all important as part of NX's brand.
Quote from: don on November 16, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 15, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
I don't think Arriva provide a free day ticket when a Sapphire bus fails to be run.
They daren't in Derby at the moment. The PVR is one less than the current fleet! When the Wright Streetdeck enters service this will be fixed but still need every bus to be fit every Monday to Friday
Crikey - that's sailing close to the wind!! I guess they could drive some up the road from Burton or Leicester if really neccessary.
On the platinum branded bus, I thought it looked rather good. My one concern is the size and contrast of colour of the fonts. It looks too small to me. Having driven down the M40 last week and seen the Oxford Tube coaches - these are instantly recognisable - and memorable even from driving a car - if I was thinking of travelling from Oxford to Central London I would definitely have that in my mind as a possibility. Would I with the platinum branding - well I would have to stand and read it to take it in based on current fonts.
On the standard NX bus livery I've never understood why the standard NX colours aren't used on the logo. Those E400s in Glasgow looked superb to my mind with the red and blue logo. This would add a touch of blue to each vehicle and most importantly, set LS's mind at rest concerning the need for blue on Birmingham's buses (albeit not of the dark or Oxford variety)!!! Serious point though - the logo and its colours are all important as part of NX's brand.
I agree; Although I'd prefer rather then red and white it should be blue and white. Always need a bit of blue: although I fear that's a thing of the past.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 16, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: don on November 16, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2014, 03:18:45 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 15, 2014, 03:13:10 PM
I don't think Arriva provide a free day ticket when a Sapphire bus fails to be run.
They daren't in Derby at the moment. The PVR is one less than the current fleet! When the Wright Streetdeck enters service this will be fixed but still need every bus to be fit every Monday to Friday
Crikey - that's sailing close to the wind!! I guess they could drive some up the road from Burton or Leicester if really neccessary.
On the platinum branded bus, I thought it looked rather good. My one concern is the size and contrast of colour of the fonts. It looks too small to me. Having driven down the M40 last week and seen the Oxford Tube coaches - these are instantly recognisable - and memorable even from driving a car - if I was thinking of travelling from Oxford to Central London I would definitely have that in my mind as a possibility. Would I with the platinum branding - well I would have to stand and read it to take it in based on current fonts.
On the standard NX bus livery I've never understood why the standard NX colours aren't used on the logo. Those E400s in Glasgow looked superb to my mind with the red and blue logo. This would add a touch of blue to each vehicle and most importantly, set LS's mind at rest concerning the need for blue on Birmingham's buses (albeit not of the dark or Oxford variety)!!! Serious point though - the logo and its colours are all important as part of NX's brand.
I agree; Although I'd prefer rather then red and white it should be blue and white. Always need a bit of blue: although I fear that's a thing of the past.
Yeah - think you're right and indeed the front one would need to be - red on red is worse than white on light grey!! Perhaps blue could be used in the lettering on the platinum - after all red white and blue are NX house colours - looks great on the c2c train fleet also.
Paint them in Wolverhampton green and yellow....that would be noticeable,but since most members quote words like refined and sophisticated then the most splendid livery you are ever likely to see was West Bromwich Corporation two blues and cream with lining out.
By the way,refined and sophisticated makes me imagine passengers must at least wear evening dress or top hats.
Wmpte blue and cream
In certain lighting conditions, particularly direct sunlight, the current colour used for the logos, silver or whatever, makes them virtually invisible. The use of red and/or blue and/or white would be good for making them clear at all times.
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 16, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
Paint them in Wolverhampton green and yellow....that would be noticeable,but since most members quote words like refined and sophisticated then the most splendid livery you are ever likely to see was West Bromwich Corporation two blues and cream with lining out.
By the way,refined and sophisticated makes me imagine passengers must at least wear evening dress or top hats.
Wolverhampton Corporations colours are horrid, makes the buses look like a giant lump of snot.
West Bromwich Corporation are by far the smartest, but totally impracticable due to all the lining, would double the time in the paintshop. Best left to the history books.
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on November 16, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
Paint them in Wolverhampton green and yellow....that would be noticeable,but since most members quote words like refined and sophisticated then the most splendid livery you are ever likely to see was West Bromwich Corporation two blues and cream with lining out.
By the way,refined and sophisticated makes me imagine passengers must at least wear evening dress or top hats.
Wolverhampton Corporations colours are horrid, makes the buses look like a giant lump of snot.
West Bromwich Corporation are by far the smartest, but totally impracticable due to all the lining, would double the time in the paintshop. Best left to the history books.
Blasphemy!!
BCT colours should come back. And trolleybuses whilst we're at it. Haha
what if the NXWM Platinum was put on the 301 and 302 to challenge Arriva sapphire from Bloxwich to Walsall?
If Stagecoach decided to make Foleshill Road to Bedworth and Nuneaton a Gold route and NXWM made Foleshill Road to Bedworth a Platinum route things might get confusing, particularly in the city centre where they might meet Diamond vehicles!
Yes, I agree but let's get back to birmingham.
Is their any point making any of the Chelmsley Wood routes into one, how would they speed up time. Can't see the 994 coming back with the state of the Chester Road etc.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 27, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
Yes, I agree but let's get back to birmingham.
Why? This forum is West Midlands, That includes Coventry
Having read what quite a few contributors have said about the 'Platinum' livery, it's nice to see I'm not alone in not being inspired by the livery.
In my opinion it does look different, but not in a positive way. Far too grey and miserable to create passenger growth.
I remember in June 2013 being asked by someone in Leicester, who saw me taking bus photos, if I had seen the new Arriva 'Sapphire' buses which had been introduced a few days earlier. I have to add this person and his girlfriend asked why I took photos of buses, so they can hardly be classed as enthusiasts, but they had noticed the vehicles in a positive way and told me where to find them. I doubt if the 'Platinum' livery and specification will have the same impact, with the vehicles looking like those from an independent operator.
Figure banding about on Midlands Today this morning for new buses 58 Platimun 171 in total for 2015
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 28, 2014, 07:26:11 AM
Figure banding about on Midlands Today this morning for new buses 58 Platimun 171 in total for 2015
Hmmmm.
NX announced in their most recent Interim Management Statement
we will replace more than 250 vehicles over the next 12 months.. Don't see how they can achieve that with a total of 171 new buses being delivered. Where the 171 excludes some for Dundee?
Smoke and mirrors Winston.
What was the date of the statement
The 250 buses probably includes buses that have recently entered service!
Quote from: JoNi on November 28, 2014, 09:38:40 AM
Smoke and mirrors Winston.
What was the date of the statement
The 250 buses probably includes buses that have recently entered service!
30th Oct
Further extract:
-- We are deploying capital selectively to protect and grow the business, investing in over 250 new buses over the next 12 months in UK Bus;
Birmingham bus drivers to wear suits on posh new £34 million "platinum" vehicles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/new-platinum-buses-promise-suit-wearing-8201166
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2014, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 27, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
Yes, I agree but let's get back to birmingham.
Why? This forum is West Midlands, That includes Coventry
Why does National Express Coventry have a separate thread then? Shouldn't it be just listed as one of the garages in this thread?
In that article theres a bit that says revamped paintwork will be maroon. Does that mean red and white is going? ??
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
In that article theres a bit that says revamped paintwork will be maroon. Does that mean red and white is going? ??
See the 'Hey Tony Anything.....' thread
Quote from: Oozells on November 30, 2014, 03:38:13 PM
Why does National Express Coventry have a separate thread then? Shouldn't it be just listed as one of the garages in this thread?
It was requested by one of the members, I believe that was requested 2 years ago and many of them agreed via poll to create seperate section for Coventry.
These are the routes I would but the new platinum buses on
X51 Walsall-Birmingham fast 24 hours
X62 Chemsley Wood-Birmingam via collecter Rd
X90 Birmingham-Coventry 24 hours
Anybody else agree with me or have there own ideas
I wonder if the cannock extensions will continue on the X51 when it goes platinum or be spun off into another service ie a return to 951A days
Bob I think the X51 north off Walsall are never going to happen except for the peak Journeys, I still miss the X31 never understood why nobody else ever took it on
No thats what I meant Woody, whether the extensions will stay once the route goes platinum or whether theyll just hive the three AM & two pm journeys into another route. Like when you had the X51 & the 951A. I miss the X31 as well, but Arriva were mental expecting a route to be able to run reliably on the M6. Even some drivers warned them off doing it. Must have been a fantastic service for people who lived in Bentley though!
What will happen when the new Platinum vehicles arrive
Which garages are going to get which buses.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 07, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
What will happen when the new Platinum vehicles arrive
Which garages are going to get which buses.
at the moment
Birmingham central , Wolverhampton and Walsall might get the new E400MMC's but I think its 50/50 at the moment
will have to wait until they've been delivered
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on December 07, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 07, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
What will happen when the new Platinum vehicles arrive
Which garages are going to get which buses.
at the moment
Birmingham central , Wolverhampton and Walsall might get the new E400MMC's but I think its 50/50 at the moment
will have to wait until they've been delivered
I think it's the 126, x51, and 900
900-BC
x51-WA
126-WN
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on December 07, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 07, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
What will happen when the new Platinum vehicles arrive
Which garages are going to get which buses.
at the moment
Birmingham central , Wolverhampton and Walsall might get the new E400MMC's but I think its 50/50 at the moment
will have to wait until they've been delivered
BC and WA are definitely getting some new ones. As services 900/957/X51 & 997* will be upgraded to Platinum. I agree with you about the 50/50 chance of WN/PL getting some MMCs, as livery prototypes show them on service 126. However, I think AG are due some new vehicles - as do YW & PN (PE).
*Not initially mentioned, yet, as the 997 now interworks with the X51, they will (technically) get new vehicles.
The only artist impressions I've seen show the 126 as new livery E400 MMC's, not platinum ones. It's also very rare that NX announce what bus routes get new buses this far in advance, so I wouldn't get too excited over a computer mock up just in case.
What garage is getting the new buses for platinum 1st out off BC or WA
Quote from: clayderman on December 07, 2014, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on December 07, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 07, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
What will happen when the new Platinum vehicles arrive
Which garages are going to get which buses.
at the moment
Birmingham central , Wolverhampton and Walsall might get the new E400MMC's but I think its 50/50 at the moment
will have to wait until they've been delivered
BC and WA are definitely getting some new ones. As services 900/957/X51 & 997* will be upgraded to Platinum. I agree with you about the 50/50 chance of WN/PL getting some MMCs, as livery prototypes show them on service 126. However, I think AG are due some new vehicles - as do YW & PN (PE).
*Not initially mentioned, yet, as the 997 now interworks with the X51, they will (technically) get new vehicles.
Surely there's nothing stopping WA altering schedules, so there's no 997/x51 interworking?
NX Managing Director stated at public meeting I attended yesterday that first platinum buses will enter service on 900/957 in May.
I wonder if the 900, 934/5/6, 957, 997 and X51 will be renumbered X1 (like the mock up e400) to X7 to show their platinum status but wouldn't that confuse people due the 1, 2, 3, 5 and 7 already exist in Birmingham and putting an X in front of those number might confuse people think they were express service of those routes. I would keep the numbers as they are and just upgrade them to platinum
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 13, 2015, 12:53:08 AM
I wonder if the 900, 934/5/6, 957, 997 and X51 will be renumbered X1 (like the mock up e400) to X7 to show their platinum status but wouldn't that confuse people due the 1, 2, 3, 5 and 7 already exist in Birmingham and putting an X in front of those number might confuse people think they were express service of those routes. I would keep the numbers as they are and just upgrade them to platinum
You've just answered your own question there.
How about P1, etc? You could have the display in white characters as the Arriva E400s.
The current numbering system is confusing enough with all it's duplicates without added X variations too.
From what I gather the route renumbering is a success and locals seem to prefer it, but for me who once knew the entire WM network, a lot of this forum and it's unusual workings etc or any mention of a non Birmingham route, you may as well be taking in Japanese for all the sense it makes.
I believe X services are express services and simply adding another prefix to the route number will probably confuse passengers who'll probably just end up waiting for the usual service. I think they should just keep it simple, stay with the route number/ route and merely change the bus.
I was under the assumption the vehicles will be existing Enviros which are upgraded, turns out it's new ones which leads me onto. Were will the fleet numbers be starting ?! My guess is either continuing from the Enviro 400MMC or just a new block altogether.
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 03:56:02 PM
I believe X services are express services and simply adding another prefix to the route number will probably confuse passengers who'll probably just end up waiting for the usual service. I think they should just keep it simple, stay with the route number/ route and merely change the bus.
I was under the assumption the vehicles will be existing Enviros which are upgraded, turns out it's new ones which leads me onto. Were will the fleet numbers be starting ?! My guess is either continuing from the Enviro 400MMC or just a new block altogether.
Well the X4/5/6/7 where Midland Red West numbers X6/7 being the express services between Evesham Redditch and Birmingham.
As for fleet numbers I have a feeling they will start at 5000 as I can't see the number of platinums being more than 5399.
Quote from: tank90 on April 13, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Well the X4/5/6/7 where Midland Red West numbers X6/7 being the express services between Evesham Redditch and Birmingham.
As for fleet numbers I have a feeling they will start at 5000 as I can't see the number of platinums being more than 5399.
I think them being Johnson buses, people will know to differentiate between them but NXWM thats something else.
5000 upwards isn't a bad idea although It'll have to be after the hybrids
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 06:34:30 PM
I think them being Johnson buses, people will know to differentiate between them but NXWM thats something else.
5000 upwards isn't a bad idea although It'll have to be after the hybrids
How do you get Johnsons from (First) Midland Red West? I'm confused how Johnsons got in the act.
As for 5000 upwards, why after the hybrids?
I ask as I don't think Nxwm is planning to have hundreds of Platinums, just for the routes they think need them so 399 slots will be enough surely.
Quote from: tank90 on April 13, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
How do you get Johnsons from (First) Midland Red West? I'm confused how Johnsons got in the act.
As for 5000 upwards, why after the hybrids?
I ask as I don't think Nxwm is planning to have hundreds of Platinums, just for the routes they think need them so 399 slots will be enough surely.
Johnson buses are white/ yellow and blue (Not to dissimilar to the Stagecoach livery) while NXWM are white/ red for the main fleet, green/ white for hybrids and bue/ white for Coventry
5001 - 5518 are hybrid buses, hence my reasoning.
It's probably worth starting the Platinum naming scheme from 5100 in case NXWM may want more hybrids in the future
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 10:59:59 PM
Johnson buses are white/ yellow and blue (Not to dissimilar to the Stagecoach livery) while NXWM are white/ red for the main fleet, green/ white for hybrids and bue/ white for Coventry
5001 - 5518 are hybrid buses, hence my reasoning.
It's probably worth starting the Platinum naming scheme from 5100 in case NXWM may want more hybrids in the future
Think you mean 5401
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 13, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
Think you mean 5401
I stand corrected, for someone who's writing a Dissertation, that's a fantastic mistake to make considering I looked at it twice to make sure ::)
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 11:17:29 PM
I stand corrected, for someone who's writing a Dissertation, that's a fantastic mistake to make considering I looked at it twice to make sure ::)
I completed mine roughly this time last year, so I can relate. NXWM seem reluctant to use the 5000 series numbers on anything other than Hybrids. As the Platinum buses will be in a different livery, I can see them having a different set of fleet numbers
Quote from: BusFan on April 13, 2015, 10:59:59 PM
Johnson buses are white/ yellow and blue (Not to dissimilar to the Stagecoach livery) while NXWM are white/ red for the main fleet, green/ white for hybrids and bue/ white for Coventry
5001 - 5518 are hybrid buses, hence my reasoning.
It's probably worth starting the Platinum naming scheme from 5100 in case NXWM may want more hybrids in the future
Ok Johnsons had nothing to do with Midland Red West which was Crimson and Cream or if express nationals a yellow and red and I think white. But this was back in the 80's. So what you where trying to say about Stagecoach Johnsons and NXWM had no relevance to what I was saying which was the X4 X5 X6 and X7 will be remembered by older people who used Midland Red Wests Xs.
As for the NXs Platinum it is a unique livery in the west mids. As for Johnsons and Stagecoach you can't mistake them at all, as if they did Johnsons would have changed it by now.
As for the numbering NX as I understand from what has been said about them, the numbers will be low so using 5001-5399 will be ample which then leaves 56xx plus free for any other hybrids NX may want. But if you went for 5601 to 5999 for plats then if NX decided to have more hybrids say another 200 on top of what they have they will need to go back down to 5001 which could get very confusing.
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 14, 2015, 12:05:06 AM
I completed mine roughly this time last year, so I can relate. NXWM seem reluctant to use the 5000 series numbers on anything other than Hybrids. As the Platinum buses will be in a different livery, I can see them having a different set of fleet numbers
Granted NX could have started the hybrids at 5001 but maybe it was a ploy to stop too many hybrids and platinums being bought. Which set of numbers would you suggest as 1-999 is mid 1001-2999 is singles 4001-4995 are DDs bought from spectres to E400s pre MMC, 5401-5518 are so far are hybrid DDs 6001-6099 are bendi buses 6101-6999 are E400MMC 7001-7999 is for Dundee 8001-8999 is for Airport buses and 9001-9999 is training and others. So I can see 3001-3999 is free but if NX wants singles that are hybrids then they may use 3401-3599 as per DDs in the 5000 series. Looking at that NX could have all plats and hybrids in the same series ie singles in 3001 - 3999 and DDs 5001-5999 and would make sense.
Maybe the platinums will be numbered with the rest of the mmcs there only going to be 58 of them unless more platinum routes to come in 2016
I'm putting my money on them being in the same number sequence as the other Enviro 400MMCs. The logic behind this is Walsall's 4680-86 have dual purpose seating, setting them apart from other vehicles, but they are not given a different number sequence.
The managing Director has made this announcement in his weekly business brief today
Our shiny new two-tone grey Platinum buses will start arriving very soon.
18 buses are going to Birmingham Central for services 900 and 957, arriving from early May (the existing E400s on there will be cascaded to the Pershore Road).
40 buses are going to Walsall for the X51, 997 and 934/5/6, arriving from June. The existing fleet on there will leave Walsall for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC.
When you say existing buses tony...all the DP 54 plate Gemini's, all 57 plate leather seated E400s some 57 plate ordinary E400 & the entire fleet of 934/5/6 branded 61 plates, all going or are some going to stay?
Quote from: Bob on April 17, 2015, 07:39:45 PM
When you say existing buses tony...all the DP 54 plate Gemini's, all 57 plate leather seated E400s some 57 plate ordinary E400 & the entire fleet of 934/5/6 branded 61 plates, all going or are some going to stay?
Well they are obviously all moving off the 934/5/6, X51 & 997. Unlike Arriva NX do buy 10% spares when they upgrade a route so they should all leave
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 07:47:36 PM
Well they are obviously all moving off the 934/5/6, X51 & 997. Unlike Arriva NX do buy 10% spares when they upgrade a route so they should all leave
Im thankful they haven't bought spares for cannocks sapphire services, even a clapped out dart or cadet is more pleasant to travel on than a dreaded streetlite!
So BC is getting 18 new buses but nothing is going to be cascaded out, they must have a good team managing all those buses, spare Tridents are never a bad thing.
Quote from: BusFan on April 17, 2015, 08:21:41 PM
So BC is getting 18 new buses but nothing is going to be cascaded out, they must have a good team managing all those buses, spare Tridents are never a bad thing.
Am sure 18 buses will be cascaded if BC get 18 newer buses, just probably not been confirmed where they will go.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 17, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
Am sure 18 buses will be cascaded if BC get 18 newer buses, just probably not been confirmed where they will go.
I just thought they wouldn't be as Tony didn't mention ut although I can see it happening as it would be an abundance of buses
Would have liked the 97 to get Enviros but oh well !
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
18 buses are going to Birmingham Central for services 900 and 957, arriving from early May (the existing E400s on there will be cascaded to the Pershore Road).
40 buses are going to Walsall for the X51, 997 and 934/5/6, arriving from June. The existing fleet on there will leave Walsall for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC.
Tony's post says the BC ones will cascade the existing E400s on the routes to be upgraded to the Pershire Road.
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
Tony's post says the BC ones will cascade the existing E400s on the routes to be upgraded to the Pershire Road.
and then the existing Pershore Road buses to be cascaded elsewhere!
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 08:33:52 PM
Tony's post says the BC ones will cascade the existing E400s on the routes to be upgraded to the Pershire Road.
I meant their was no mention of buses leaving BC with the addition of the new buses like in the case of Walsall where existing buses will go to Coventry, Dundee and even BC.
Quote from: BusFan on April 17, 2015, 08:37:47 PM
I meant their was no mention of buses leaving BC with the addition of the new buses like in the case of Walsall where existing buses will go to Coventry, Dundee and even BC.
Logic would say that 18 older buses will leave, especially as BC has a high concentration of Euro 3 Tridents. Why would BC suddenly need 18 extra buses?
Quote from: Winston on April 17, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Logic would say that 18 older buses will leave, especially as BC has a high concentration of Euro 3 Tridents. Why would BC suddenly need 18 extra buses?
I can see my mistake although I was just highlighting them going where wasn't mentioned, although having a spare is never a bad thing but 18 is something else !
Quote from: Winston on April 17, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Logic would say that 18 older buses will leave, especially as BC has a high concentration of Euro 3 Tridents. Why would BC suddenly need 18 extra buses?
Gut feeling is some early Tridents will go to PE to finally see the Mercs all withdrawn, but that is just a guess.
Quote from: Winston on April 17, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Logic would say that 18 older buses will leave, especially as BC has a high concentration of Euro 3 Tridents. Why would BC suddenly need 18 extra buses?
If you notice in the Walsall statement it also mentions some of the buses displaced from Walsall are going to BC, so there will be more than 18 extra buses at BC to sort out
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 17, 2015, 08:45:28 PM
Gut feeling is some early Tridents will go to PE to finally see the Mercs all withdrawn, but that is just a guess.
Potentially, plus further will likely go to WN to replace the last of the Spectra's & B6LE indirectly through revised vehicle allocations
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
If you notice in the Walsall statement it also mentions some of the buses displaced from Walsall are going to BC, so there will be more than 18 extra buses at BC to sort out
Yes, saw that
PE and WN could both see Tridents from BC to see off the last of Mercs, B6's and Spectra's.
4125-33 will join its sisters at WN soon too maybe?
Quote from: Nathan on April 17, 2015, 08:48:20 PM
I'd imagine PE and WN would both see Tridents from BC to see off the last of Mercs, B6's and Spectra's.
I'd also imagine 4125-33 will join its sisters at WN soon too.
There is actually a good reason why not, although fare play I wouldn't possibly expect you to know why
All we need to know now is their fleet numbers!
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 08:51:53 PM
There is actually a good reason why not, although fare play I wouldn't possibly expect you to know why
I had 4132 tonight, it was a nice bus
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 08:51:53 PM
There is actually a good reason why not, although fare play I wouldn't possibly expect you to know why
Is it because a couple have tachos for the Walsall college contract? And that one or two are early NXWM repaints, unlikely to be painted/retrimmed as they have short life expectancy. I was wondering whether some from BCs 4141 onwards batch may transfer instead?
I'm quite surprised people aren't looking broader regarding withdrawals - there are only around 80 Mercs, B6, B10 and Spectra left - and only 50 odd of 171 new buses have arrived. This must mean there will be significant withdrawal of newer stock - you would expect some of BCs more knackered, non re-engined Tridents could be candidates for withdrawal on receipt of new and transferred vehicles.
Quote from: Stevo on April 17, 2015, 09:42:59 PM
All we need to know now is their fleet numbers!
9001-9058??!
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
Is it because a couple have tachos for the Walsall college contract? And that one or two are early NXWM repaints, unlikely to be painted/retrimmed as they have short life expectancy. I was wondering whether some from BCs 4141 onwards batch may transfer instead?
I'm quite surprised people aren't looking broader regarding withdrawals - there are only around 80 Mercs, B6, B10 and Spectra left - and only 30 odd of 171 new buses have arrived. This must mean there will be significant withdrawal of newer stock - you would expect some of BCs more knackered, non re-engined Tridents could be candidates for withdrawal on receipt of new and transferred vehicles.
Don,
Don't forget that Dundee also have B10L / early B10BLE's that need replacing this year
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 11:02:37 PM
9001-9058??!
Or 5001-5058
Or even 5101-5158 to be similar to the other MMCs but different as they are a new class of bus.
Quote from: Winston on April 17, 2015, 11:06:26 PM
Don,
Don't forget that Dundee also have B10L / early B10BLE's that need replacing this year
Yes - about 49 if you include all of the Presidents either there or earmarked for there.
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 11:21:17 PM
Yes - about 49 if you include all of the Presidents either there or earmarked for there.
I doubt the Presidents will be leaving anytime soon seeing as though more are currently intended to go up/have gone up, more likely allocations will just swap around to ensure the buses on Fife School routes will comply
Quote from: Winston on April 17, 2015, 11:23:49 PM
I doubt the Presidents will be leaving anytime soon seeing as though more are currently intended to go up/have gone up, more likely allocations will just swap around to ensure the buses on Fife School routes will comply
We will have to wait and see - however, by my calculation,there are enough vehicles due for delivery in the next few months to replace all stock pre 2000 plus a few. This presumes that the 11 PB Bendis were replaced by some of 6101-6122. I suspect some of the older ones may actually linger whilst a few newer vehicles in worse condition are withdrawn.
Quote from: don on April 17, 2015, 11:39:15 PM
We will have to wait and see - however, by my calculation,there are enough vehicles due for delivery in the next few months to replace all stock pre 2000 plus a few. This presumes that the 11 PB Bendis were replaced by some of 6101-6122. I suspect some of the older ones may actually linger whilst a few newer vehicles in worse condition are withdrawn.
I thought the E400 MMCs for Pesnett replaced the old E400s which have moved on, as for 6022-6032 they are in the reserve fleet and have been there for a while the last one going in just before the first MMC arrived.
As for 6011-6021 I thought the plan so far was to keep them for as long as possible then replace with other DD cascades or have I misread so much info that Tony has put on here.
With the Fife School contracts the new rules mean that Dundee need some newer buses to release the Geminii to do the Schools and not to replace newish (in Dundee terms) with old presidents they are going to gain some displaced E400s from the platinum update, as well as some more presidents to reduce the number of B10s.
Or failing all of that why not give Dundee back there 10 plate Scainas if and when Acocks Green get there 50 E200 MMCs which would make sense to me, as well as the four at Perry Barr.
WA probably to lose 19-57 plate / 5-13 plate E400 & 15 gemini's when they get the 40 new?+ 1 extra?
It would make more sense for Dundee to get AG's B7RLEs as that's a type operated there whereas there are no Omnilinks in Dundee.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
The managing Director has made this announcement in his weekly business brief today
Our shiny new two-tone grey Platinum buses will start arriving very soon.
18 buses are going to Birmingham Central for services 900 and 957, arriving from early May (the existing E400s on there will be cascaded to the Pershore Road).
40 buses are going to Walsall for the X51, 997 and 934/5/6, arriving from June. The existing fleet on there will leave Walsall for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC.
Interesting. Does it only take 18 buses to fully upgrade the 900 & 957? Thought it was more. Anyway; the Pershore Road requires about 24 buses at peak if I remember correctly, so it still needs about 5 Enviros from Walsalls transfer in to be fully upgraded.
4895 - 4913 = 19 buses
Say, Walsall's 4880 - 4884 transfer, that gives 24 buses in total for the Pershore Road.
Obviously this also means 24 Tridents of some description will be departing BC for pastures not-so-new, namely, most likely, the 41's. Unless they want to really tidy up BC's Trident allocation and delete such vehicles like 4218, 4315, 4316, 4317, 4318, 4320, 4321, (Possibly 4366, 67 and 68 if they were willing to let go of the Engineers done-up bus)
If not then they'd probably keep the ad-blu Trident's and deplete the rest to other depots.
Quote from: Stevo on April 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
It would make more sense for Dundee to get AG's B7RLEs as that's a type operated there whereas there are no Omnilinks in Dundee.
Or possibly walsall's?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 18, 2015, 12:25:33 PM
Interesting. Does it only take 18 buses to fully upgrade the 900 & 957? Thought it was more. Anyway; the Pershore Road requires about 24 buses at peak if I remember correctly, so it still needs about 5 Enviros from Walsalls transfer in to be fully upgraded.
4895 - 4913 = 19 buses
Say, Walsall's 4880 - 4884 transfer, that gives 24 buses in total for the Pershore Road.
Obviously this also means 24 Tridents of some description will be departing BC for pastures not-so-new, namely, most likely, the 41's. Unless they want to really tidy up BC's Trident allocation and delete such vehicles like 4218, 4315, 4316, 4317, 4318, 4320, 4321, (Possibly 4366, 67 and 68 if they were willing to let go of the Engineers done-up bus)
If not then they'd probably keep the ad-blu Trident's and deplete the rest to other depots.
How are they going to be branded for the X51, 934/5/6, 997 services?
Will the normal 51 get to see them too?
Quote from: leewhayward29 on April 18, 2015, 02:03:31 PM
How are they going to be branded for the X51, 934/5/6, 997 services?
Will the normal 51 get to see them too?
some night 51s come off the 935a so ...
It'd be nice if Coventry got the Geminis, they'd fit in numerically too and would create a bigger batch that could be allocated to a single service rather than them being all over the place as per the current situation. One can but wish!
Quote from: leewhayward29 on April 18, 2015, 02:03:31 PM
How are they going to be branded for the X51, 934/5/6, 997 services?
Will the normal 51 get to see them too?
I would say that branding wouldn't be needed! Platinum is a brand of its own!
Quote from: Nathan on April 18, 2015, 06:12:28 PM
I would say that branding wouldn't be needed! Platinum is a brand of its own!
I dunno, I'd be willing to bet they'd brand them, would be good as a group branding, ie "Express along the Cov road" or "Fast to North Birmingham" or something similar, so they could get away with using any of the walsall ones on any of those 3 corridors
Quote from: Kevin on April 18, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
I dunno, I'd be willing to bet they'd brand them, would be good as a group branding, ie "Express along the Cov road" or "Fast to North Birmingham" or something similar, so they could get away with using any of the walsall ones on any of those 3 corridors
If the prototype example was anything to go by they will be branded, but in a subtle way, without day-glo green slapped liberally all over them. The demonstration of the livery was 'X1' branded but was more along the lines of Stagecoach gold and Arriva Sapphire, i.e. understated.
Quote from: Mike K on April 19, 2015, 09:07:01 AM
If the prototype example was anything to go by they will be branded, but in a subtle way, without day-glo green slapped liberally all over them. The demonstration of the livery was 'X1' branded but was more along the lines of Stagecoach gold and Arriva Sapphire, i.e. understated.
So include it within the livery I.e. Arriva Sapphire (110) as opposed to plastering it with stick on branding.
I get the feeling the branding won't be to dissimilar to what the 9 & 50 have on the MMCs.
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2015, 06:54:21 PM
The managing Director has made this announcement in his weekly business brief today
Our shiny new two-tone grey Platinum buses will start arriving very soon.
18 buses are going to Birmingham Central for services 900 and 957, arriving from early May (the existing E400s on there will be cascaded to the Pershore Road).
40 buses are going to Walsall for the X51, 997 and 934/5/6, arriving from June. The existing fleet on there will leave Walsall for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC.
@Tony, when you say 'for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC do you mean just these garages or these garages and other garages?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 19, 2015, 04:55:56 PM
@Tony, when you say 'for various other places including Coventry, Dundee and BC do you mean just these garages or these garages and other garages?
That is not 'what I say' that is the quote from the MD's business brief he sends to all staff each week. It is fairly self explanatory if you read it properly, but I don't discuss future plans until they are made public!
From what I can see they won't be branded, they are rumoured to have full size rear destinations like the go ahead group use
do drivers get to see the business brief?
Quote from: mranon on April 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
do drivers get to see the business brief?
It gets sent to every employee with an @Nationalexpress email address. Any driver can have one of those if they wish
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 19, 2015, 05:52:58 PM
From what I can see they won't be branded, they are rumoured to have full size rear destinations like the go ahead group use
Or Reading Buses? (I think the photo is of an E400MMC Hybrid; but the point still stands)
http://www.route-one.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Enviro400-rear-view.jpg
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2015, 09:25:28 PM
It gets sent to every employee with an @Nationalexpress email address. Any driver can have one of those if they wish
I had the platinum training today, to be honest most of what they said was known on here months ago
Quote from: clayderman on April 19, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
Or Reading Buses? (I think the photo is of an E400MMC Hybrid; but the point still stands)
http://www.route-one.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Enviro400-rear-view.jpg
Yes like that and led interior lights like the newer buses in London
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 19, 2015, 10:04:03 PM
I had the platinum training today, to be honest most of what they said was known on here months ago
Didn't they say the drivers would wear suits? Have you been measured for yours yet?
They're asking for my measurements but haven't done it yet, its going to be grey. i really cant see it working to be honest, look at the 997 when they tried the leather seats and tinted windows etc.
I'd have personally carried on the premier name and called it national express premier instead of platinum which has already been done by first
Apparently Stagecoach has gold so NX chose platinum and they got the chap from Stagecoach who created Gold to implement it.
Quote from: JoNi on April 20, 2015, 12:45:11 PM
Apparently Stagecoach has gold so NX chose platinum and they got the chap from Stagecoach who created Gold to implement it.
It just doesn't seem very creative as first already use platinum.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 20, 2015, 02:02:06 PM
It just doesn't seem very creative as first already use platinum.
Besides the 19 in Aberdeen where else it's the brand name Platinum used in First Group?
I ask as the Excel X1 Peterborough to Lowestoft route is using premier liveried buses it's not called Platinum. So saying NX is sort of cheating it's customers by coping First is a little unfair as First Platinum is one route not the amount NX are planning and NX are using brand new buses to launch it into service not repainted and re upholstered buses, that aren't new.
its like an easy way of copying stagecoach gold, by trying to go one better.
If they stuck to premier then it would be original and continuing on from the last two generation 997s
Fleetnumbers will be 6701-58. The new single decks at AG will be 2201-50. Full details will be on the main site when deliveries are about to start
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2015, 06:32:45 PM
Fleetnumbers will be 6701-58. The new single decks at AG will be 2201-50. Full details will be on the main site when deliveries are about to start
I don't think anybody would have guessed those for the Platinum vehicles! Odd choice.
Am I right in saying the bc ones are due first? With walsall's due through June
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 20, 2015, 07:30:14 PM
Am I right in saying the bc ones are due first? With walsall's due through June
Yes. BC's are due in Early May.
NX clutching at straws for fleet numbers now, 67** and 22** very interesting choices I must say.
Might get to see some 67xx buses in Coventry again (ideally from 6721). Creates a nice gap [6149-6699] for plenty more non-Platinum double-decks in the future.
Wow.
So genuinely no logic at all with the fleetnumbers then.
Why such separate numbers for the E400s when the E200's will pretty much just carry on from current single decks?
Quote from: Kevin on April 21, 2015, 06:22:44 AM
Wow.
So genuinely no logic at all with the fleetnumbers then.
Why such separate numbers for the E400s when the E200's will pretty much just carry on from current single decks?
Possibly because the next used number after 2201 is 4001. a large block to use. With the double deckers the next used number after 4995 is 5401 so not so many numbers to use, unless they renumber the Hybrids.
Wow that is some platinum livery shown in the main site photo of 6702 leaving Scarborough. Can't fail to be impressed by it. Please, please NX don't ruin it with strips of vinyl. Make any branding a classy looking part of the livery not something that looks completely at odds with the colours used.
Will they have xenon headlights like the sapphire enviros ?
It looks very dark - almost black. Is it just the photo, I wonder? Still, I agree about spoiling it with garish colours.
is they a confirmed date yet when MMC's will enter service on 900 , 957?
Quote from: RW on May 07, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
Wow that is some platinum livery shown in the main site photo of 6702 leaving Scarborough. Can't fail to be impressed by it. Please, please NX don't ruin it with strips of vinyl. Make any branding a classy looking part of the livery not something that looks completely at odds with the colours used.
I agree. Also NX, please dont obscure the windows by covering them in branding or adverts. The 110s still look great, the exterior and interiors still look so bright.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 07, 2015, 09:34:21 AM
is they a confirmed date yet when MMC's will enter service on 900 , 957?
They'll be on the 900 this month, and then on the 957 shortly afterwards:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-bus-update?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=new-bus-update&utm_medium=image
6701 parked inside BC yesterday. Jumped on, had a quick look, looks very stylish inside and out :)
Photos of interior, and general branding now on main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6702.html
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2015, 10:01:22 PM
Photos of interior, and general branding now on main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6702.html
OMG!!!!!!!!!!! That genuinley looks amazing
Do they have plug sockets?
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2015, 10:01:22 PM
Photos of interior, and general branding now on main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6702.html
In a word, fantastic.
Can't help thinking the "greener emissions" bit is wrong. Surely it should be lower emissions? The live bus tracking upper deck notice would have looked better done in a different colour as well, as per front nearside lozenges.
They look excellent - very smart - just showed it to someone who's not that interested in buses and commented that the colouring and design is very good. Can't wait to ride one of these! Well done NX!
I have to say, this looks great !! Fantastic job by NXWM !
Absolutely fantastic.
Well done nx.
Well Done NX :) Spot on Job imo! Looks brilliant
branding looks cool along with seats
Quote from: Matt on May 09, 2015, 10:23:08 PM
"Extra leg room". In comparison to what, and how is this achieved?
Two less seats on each deck than a 61xx MMC
I'm glad they didn't spoil the effect with the usual dark red stanchions. I think white stanchions and grab handles would improve the look of the standard interior.
Don't get me wrong it's nice but the seats look too normal I was expecting sonething special but to me the leTher enviros looked nicer inside when they was new.
The Harrogate and district geminis have much better interiors
Difficult to tell from the photos but do they have full width rear route number and destination displays or a route number only display?
From the picture of 6702, it looks like a "full width" rear destination display.
Love it! They look really smart! Props to NX on the advertising of this one - so, by these two, I gather Platinum won't be a sea of grey, route branded buses? I think the seats are perfect... And also, the "£12.50 Unlimited Travel" advert seems 'smaller' yet, very subtle... I notice, in the photo of 6702, that the fare sheet/sticker is grey, rather than red. Nice touch. Though, perhaps 'branding' could be less repetitive on the left side of the bus...
Any ideas of the actual date that these will enter service?
Quote from: Stevo on May 09, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
I'm glad they didn't spoil the effect with the usual dark red stanchions. I think white stanchions and grab handles would improve the look of the standard interior.
Aren't the colours of stanchions etc covered by the DDA?
I think it just says 'contrasting colours'. Arriva has had a sort of ivory colour for some time now and I think it looks better than red or orange. The strange thing is that Diamond's Merc Citaros have grey stanchions in a grey interior - totally non contrasting!
I can't quite make out the names on them (eyesight isn't what it used to be)
It looks like 6701 is 'Diana Ann' and 6702 is 'Charlotte Ellen'
Can anyone confirm?
Thanks
Alan
Quote from: wmacb13 on May 10, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
I can't quite make out the names on them (eyesight isn't what it used to be)
It looks like 6701 is 'Diana Ann' and 6702 is 'Charlotte Ellen'
Can anyone confirm?
Thanks
Alan
6701 - Deana Ann
6702 - Charlotte Ellen
I will put the full list on the main site soon
Many thanks Tony.
Alan
Are the seats like fabric versions of the leather ones on the 997 buses? Or something a bit more luxurious
Does anyone know When they will be in service??
Are their likely to be any more after the Walsall lot, or will we have to wait and see. I couldn't really see which group could be next apart from the Sutton routes.
Very likely there will be - I'd say the Sutton routes are a good bet actually - either them or the Harborne routes.
Quote from: Bob on May 13, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
Are the seats like fabric versions of the leather ones on the 997 buses? Or something a bit more luxurious
Half leather round edge then standard fabric for the most part. Pretty disappointing in my view.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 13, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
Very likely there will be - I'd say the Sutton routes are a good bet actually - either them or the Harborne routes.
I don't see why the Harborne it's not like they are fast/ limited stop or rail alternatives etc.
Yeah but they are well used, and have benefitted from regular investment over the years (Hybrids, B7s, E400s) - like the 900/957 they get good attention. So it wouldn't surprise me if they converted the Harborne corridor at some point. Would free up a sizeable batch of emission zone compliant vehicles for other Birmingham routes, which will need converting to euro 4 + compliant vehicles in the near future. You never know, perhaps that will mean you'll get Hybrids on the 97 ;)
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 14, 2015, 06:23:21 AM
Yeah but they are well used, and have benefitted from regular investment over the years (Hybrids, B7s, E400s) - like the 900/957 they get good attention. So it wouldn't surprise me if they converted the Harborne corridor at some point. Would free up a sizeable batch of emission zone compliant vehicles for other Birmingham routes, which will need converting to euro 4 + compliant vehicles in the near future. You never know, perhaps that will mean you'll get Hybrids on the 97 ;)
To me that would make absolutely no sense, the amount of investment they have had takes the mick anyway. I would see a potential Platinum network like the 90s Timesaver network if it ever takes off, however will see.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 13, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
Very likely there will be - I'd say the Sutton routes are a good bet actually - either them or the Harborne routes.
I agree with upgrading the sutton lines. Gives Arriva Sapphire a competitor. ;) Would the 485* - 49** batch be enough to upgrade 65, 67, 94, etc... ???
I'd like for the 126 to go Platinum. I believe that, from my experience, it's a highly respected service - and although a contender for regular MMC's, i'd love to see some Platinums go into Wolves, too.
Quote from: clayderman on May 14, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
I'd like for the 126 to go Platinum. I believe that, from my experience, it's a highly respected service - and although a contender for regular MMC's, i'd love to see some Platinums go into Wolves, too.
Doubt it would, Platinum with the routes currently revealed to me says "express", so unless they make an express variant of it which seems unlikely then I'd imagine just the Crimson livery
Quote from: clayderman on May 14, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
I agree with upgrading the sutton lines. Gives Arriva Sapphire a competitor. ;) Would the 485* - 49** batch be enough to upgrade 65, 67, 94, etc... ???
I'd like for the 126 to go Platinum. I believe that, from my experience, it's a highly respected service - and although a contender for regular MMC's, i'd love to see some Platinums go into Wolves, too.
@clayderman Yeah it would rival the Sapphire branding - I will have a look at my 65/67 etc PVRs to see if it would be enough.
Quote from: clayderman on May 14, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
I agree with upgrading the sutton lines. Gives Arriva Sapphire a competitor. ;) Would the 485* - 49** batch be enough to upgrade 65, 67, 94, etc... ???
I could see the Suttons getting MMCs in the next few years, but personally I couldn't see them getting Platinum MMCs. Arriva are not really a threat to NX on the 110/116. The 110 does carry good loads in the peaks, but most people come from outside the NWM area. The 116 isn't really busy anytime from what I've seen
30 Enviro400s wouldn't be enough for 65, 67 & 94 combined
That's true - Arriva aren't really a competitor along there, so no real rush to upgrade it to MMCs for a while. Thanks
@John - saved me having to find my list :)
Quote from: John on May 14, 2015, 06:34:50 PM
I could see the Suttons getting MMCs in the next few years, but personally I couldn't see them getting Platinum MMCs. Arriva are not really a threat to NX on the 110/116. The 110 does carry good loads in the peaks, but most people come from outside the NWM area. The 116 isn't really busy anytime from what I've seen
30 Enviro400s wouldn't be enough for 65, 67 & 94 combined
Should've been clearer, I was meant to say either one of them three, but thanks. Suppose PB get some more cascades, from other services, or garages, like WA - I don't see these three recieving new buses anytime soon...
As for Sapphire. I guess you're right, about NX/Arriva not having competition, but I guess there's a separate 'audience' for either operators, i.e. Where a passenger will opt for the other operator, vice versa. NX Platinum would be nice to rival Sapphire's benefits, despite not including power outlets. NX has developed a striking, if not, elegant livery which may bring new passengers to NX's many services into Sutton.
Centro and NXWM have kindly let me put some of their official publicity shots for the new Platinum buses on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6702.html
Excellent images of 6702 there - thanks for uploading them :)
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 14, 2015, 06:23:21 AM
Yeah but they are well used, and have benefitted from regular investment over the years (Hybrids, B7s, E400s) - like the 900/957 they get good attention. So it wouldn't surprise me if they converted the Harborne corridor at some point. Would free up a sizeable batch of emission zone compliant vehicles for other Birmingham routes, which will need converting to euro 4 + compliant vehicles in the near future. You never know, perhaps that will mean you'll get Hybrids on the 97 ;)
I disagree. If you're gonna put platinum buses on the Harborne routes, you might as well put platinum buses on the 9/126/140/141 and 82/83/87/89, cause they're all part of busy corridors, arguably busier than the Harborne.
Platinum spec buses would be a waste of excellent buses for Dudley road might as as well use dust carts with seats from I see on daily basis, personally refurbished buses plenty good enough for Dudley road, your average punter wouldn't have a clue any way.
Quote from: 2900 on May 15, 2015, 11:06:46 AM
Platinum spec buses would be a waste of excellent buses for Dudley road might as as well use dust carts with seats from I see on daily basis, personally refurbished buses plenty good enough for Dudley road, your average punter wouldn't have a clue any way.
I was being hypothetical.
What happened to the 900 and 957 type routes being changed to X1, etc? That's the impression I got from the mock-up they did.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcZWqag4.jpg&hash=d6f9b5ecceed9874bb23b774c7fca2666f0067ac)
Quote from: Oozells on May 15, 2015, 11:19:47 PM
What happened to the 900 and 957 type routes being changed to X1, etc? That's the impression I got from the mock-up they did.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcZWqag4.jpg&hash=d6f9b5ecceed9874bb23b774c7fca2666f0067ac)
I'm guessing it was something to cover up which routes were to go Platinum - same when 4723 when in for it's promotional repaint... Call me late, but I don't think they're changing the route numbers - also, will cause confusion & will have to change all the bus stops, timetable sheets (not timings, just route number), etc...
Quote from: Oozells on May 15, 2015, 11:19:47 PM
What happened to the 900 and 957 type routes being changed to X1, etc? That's the impression I got from the mock-up they did.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcZWqag4.jpg&hash=d6f9b5ecceed9874bb23b774c7fca2666f0067ac)
Is the 126 being upgraded ?!
We don't know yet. It's an artists impression that's been round for months to show what the new buses and livery would be like. They needed some kind of destination to show and went for 126.
Does anyone know which routes were timesaver routes?
In coventry a blokes told me
@Alex that platinums are starting on June 1
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 16, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Does anyone know which routes were timesaver routes?
901 Birmingham - Lichfield via Kingsbury Rd - Walsall (for a bit)
901a Birmingham - LIchfield via Sutton / Roughley
900 Did extend to bearwood at one point
962 Birmingham - C Wood
964 Birmingham - Gannow
926 Birmingham - Gornal Wood
979 Birmingham - Wolverhampton via Dudley rd
966 Airport - Wolverhampton via Sutton Walsall / Cwood Collector rd
Can't be bothered to do any more bit that's a start
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 16, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Does anyone know which routes were timesaver routes?
Off the top of my head, here are some I can remember from over the years. 900, 926, 962, 963, 966, 950, 951, 952.
These being at different times from 1986-early/mid 1990s. And not all have similar service numbers to the 'regular' version. For example 963 was Bristol Road, yet 962 was Chelmesley Wood.
How could I have forgotten the Walsall ones. I think they have always been the busiest ones and most frequent.
At some point one of the Brum to Cannock/Hednesford ones extended to Rugeley for very occasional trips im sure. Also 952 went to Heath Hayes as well for a time. Sad these services were all killed off by the train, they died a pretty slow death to be fair. Now all weve got is a dreadful rammed train service where you cant get a seat a lot of the time and the three trips into brum and two trips out on the X51
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 16, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
901 Birmingham - Lichfield via Kingsbury Rd - Walsall (for a bit)
901a Birmingham - LIchfield via Sutton / Roughley
900 Did extend to bearwood at one point
962 Birmingham - C Wood
964 Birmingham - Gannow
926 Birmingham - Gornal Wood
979 Birmingham - Wolverhampton via Dudley rd
966 Airport - Wolverhampton via Sutton Walsall / Cwood Collector rd
Can't be bothered to do any more bit that's a start
It was the 951 (B'ham to Bloxwich) that went to Bearwood for a short while. 900 went through to Halesowen initially, and later as far as Hasbury.
I still think there is scope for a new 19 19s or 919 on the Hag rd.
I give it 3 months before the WiFi burns itself out.
Apparently we will have to give out business cards if a passenger complains which will give them free travel next time as an apology. Lots of drivers aren't very happy because its like helping them to complain about you!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 16, 2015, 09:54:13 PM
Apparently we will have to give out business cards if a passenger complains which will give them free travel next time as an apology. Lots of drivers aren't very happy because its like helping them to complain about you!
Imagine the amount of people who'll try to get free travel on this plus it's not fair on the driver either !
Quote from: BusFan on May 16, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Imagine the amount of people who'll try to get free travel on this plus it's not fair on the driver either !
I know, why pay if you can get it free
@BU07 LGO and what's the odds you'll have to fund the cost of dry cleaning the suits yourself
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 16, 2015, 10:11:45 PM
@BU07 LGO and what's the odds you'll have to fund the cost of dry cleaning the suits yourself
I know would rather drive an old trident around all day personally
On another note, I love the Platinum branding! Certainly one done well... ;) However, I find the green & white colour choice reminds me of a London Midland vibe... Good-looking buses all round, nonetheless. :) Will be very happy on future trips to Coventry.
Quote from: BusFan on May 16, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
Imagine the amount of people who'll try to get free travel on this plus it's not fair on the driver either !
Not fair on the driver, not sure what you mean by that. NXWM are running a business, people complain it relates to the business more often than not. When your working and people complain if people takes things personally then they need to grow up really. That is if I am reading that correctly.
All sounds like positive stuff, especially if these services charge the same fares (not sure if has been confirmed or not).
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 17, 2015, 07:22:34 AM
Not fair on the driver, not sure what you mean by that. NXWM are running a business, people complain it relates to the business more often than not. When your working and people complain if people takes things personally then they need to grow up really. That is if I am reading that correctly.
All sounds like positive stuff, especially if these services charge the same fares (not sure if has been confirmed or not).
I take on board what you mean, I meant it In the sense that some people may complain about a driver for the sake of getting free travel which may potentially affect the driver in some way.
As 1 of the younger members on this forum (I think), I know some people, especially of my generation will attempt to do something dodgy.
Quote from: BusFan on May 17, 2015, 09:42:12 AM
I take on board what you mean, I meant it In the sense that some people may complain about a driver for the sake of getting free travel which may potentially affect the driver in some way.
As 1 of the younger members on this forum (I think), I know some people, especially of my generation will attempt to do something dodgy.
The Platinum buses have voice recording as well as CCTV in the cab area, so any complaints against a driver's attitude can be verified. It will also catch passengers abusing drivers which is what it is actually there for!
Traffilog will check for poor driving or late running
Quote from: Tony on May 17, 2015, 09:47:54 AM
The Platinum buses have voice recording as well as CCTV in the cab area, so any complaints against a driver's attitude can be verified. It will also catch passengers abusing drivers which is what it is actually there for!
Traffilog will check for poor driving or late running
I was told the voice recording was a rumour made up by drivers with no truth whatsoever ?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 17, 2015, 10:03:26 AM
I was told the voice recording was a rumour made up by drivers with no truth whatsoever ?
6101-6148 have voice recording around the cab area also according to a sign onboard
That will just make people reluctant to help Incase anything comes back, when asked for directions etc it will be easier to say you don't know instead of opening yourself up for trouble if you give the wrong info?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 17, 2015, 10:19:12 AM
That will just make people reluctant to help Incase anything comes back, when asked for directions etc it will be easier to say you don't know instead of opening yourself up for trouble if you give the wrong info?
Why would anyone get in trouble for giving the wrong information with good intentions? That's surely no worse than a complaint about lack of knowledge?
If it was something obvious, such as the driver saying the 934 runs 24 hours or you can use your NXWM Daysaver on the Diamond 56, which is a clear lie, and a complaint came in regarding that information then you'd expect something to be done. But it will be quite clear to see and hear if a driver believes they are giving correct information - the worse thing that could happen is that you might have some extra training on a particular product?
Ultimately, I'd imagine the majority of complaints regarding driver conduct are at the very least slightly exaggerated and in several cases will be downright lies. In most cases it will back the driver up and prove they've done nothing wrong.
If as a driver you are doing nothing wrong in terms of your behaviour you will have nothing to worry about - if anything the CCTV should reassure you that if a complaint does come in, it will back you up.
Doubtless all involved will monitor the working of the new systems. It's important that a driver feels valued by both employer and passengers but I too am slightly concerned about the prospect of low-lifes finding out they only have to complain to get a free journey. It reminds me that the London artics were known as the free buses by the great unwashed.
Quote from: Stevo on May 17, 2015, 11:20:36 AM
I too am slightly concerned about the prospect of low-lifes finding out they only have to complain to get a free journey. It reminds me that the London artics were known as the free buses by the great unwashed.
Has this actually been confirmed though? I'd heard rumours about refunds if the bus was late (which would probably be covered in T&Cs as within the companies control and with a bus being considered late after a time period long enough to cover the next bus due meaning in reality it would never be used).
I stand to be corrected, but a general complaint = free journey system seems very vague and unlikely to me.
I'd imagine most people making a complaint to customer relations currently, which is then proven, get free Daysavers etc. as 'compensation'.
I once received £10 in vouchers from NX when customer relations lost a complaint I made via the web which disappeared into the ether. Rather than giving out cards I would have thought a redeemable ticket would have been better. It's then logged on the ticket machine. It doesn't sound very practical passing cards through the assault screen to someone who's not going to very happy in the first place.
I know, time will tell but I can't see it lasting. Look at the 997 how that was upgraded and then let fall by the wayside
Are you serious about voice recording,
@Tony?
Jesus wept, what a country we're living in.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 17, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Are you serious about voice recording, @Tony?
Jesus wept, what a country we're living in.
I know, ridiculous
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 17, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
Are you serious about voice recording, @Tony?
Jesus wept, what a country we're living in.
yes we have them on our mmc,s at pensnett
I'm surprised the voice recording hasn't kicked up a fuss amongst the drivers, some from elsewhere have refused to drive buses with it fitted because it "invades their privacy", but I can see how it does come in handy where bogus complaints are concerned.
As for the free journey cards, as long as they are only handed out to people with verified complaints then it shouldn't be too bad. If they're just handed out to someone every time they scream blue murder then they'll be handing them out like crumbs to pigeons!
I've seen elsewhere complains be as silly as, and to quote: "stopping 4 inches away from the kerb", "letting his 13 year old daughter drive the bus (it was an 18 year old new starter)" and my personal favourite "running 7 seconds early!". It really get does get that bad when a freebie is concerned. - I genuinely wish I was making that up, but I'm really not...
I imagine as Tony mentioned the voice recording equipment and the traffilog system that the cards will only be handed out if either of these confirm the complaint?
Mic,s in the cab like CCTV is there for driver protection and false claims
Quote from: karl724223 on May 17, 2015, 08:06:55 PM
Mic,s in the cab like CCTV is there for driver protection and false claims
I have been told the first prosecution for abusing a driver is already in progress
Quote from: Tony on May 17, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
I have been told the first prosecution for abusing a driver is already in progress
I think its a good idea for protecting the drivers video evidence without audio can only help to a certain point
Well it will be good if it means that it will help to prosecute those abusing drivers, as it sounds like it already has.
As long as they don't sack drivers for accidentally swearing when someone cuts them up (as a natural human reaction would be as you apply the brakes or whatever)
I certainly wouldn't want to drive a bus knowing every single little thing you do is recorded. Whoops, just farted. Sorry management.
I presume there is a camera on these mmc's pointing directly at the driver too like the buses in London?
:) Would be a bit off putting at times knowing every thing you do is being recorded - however sure management will only listen to recordings if a complaint is made by a passenger or if a driver reports he has been verbally or physically abused. Sure normal actions such as swearing when cut up won't be found out or matter - after all we're all human.
This just epitomises reactive cultures that exist where "evidence" is collected to deal with unacceptable behaviour by passengers. Why not have a named picture of the leader of the company whose vehicle it is stating what constitutes acceptable behaviour on his buses which is plain for all to see.
Quote from: JoNi on May 18, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
This just epitomises reactive cultures that exist where "evidence" is collected to deal with unacceptable behaviour by passengers. Why not have a named picture of the leader of the company whose vehicle it is stating what constitutes acceptable behaviour on his buses which is plain for all to see.
Why on earth would you need that?
Reasonable behaviour to others is taught to everyone from a very early age, It is just some people decide to forget or ignore it especially when in groups or after the consumption of certain products.
Perhaps it's just me thinking outside the box (as some might say) ;)
I passed a Platinum MMC on the Expressway this afternoon, on its way to Central
Quote from: John on May 18, 2015, 08:14:02 PM
I passed a Platinum MMC on the Expressway this afternoon, on its way to Central
6706/7/8 all due this week
Quote from: John on May 18, 2015, 08:14:02 PM
I passed a Platinum MMC on the Expressway this afternoon, on its way to Central
Any further comments?
Now on the NX website
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnxbus.co.uk%2Fshow_image%2F1432025215%2F941.gif&hash=826c10a9d7423265569d00848242f1bd21face84)
Quote from: NXDom on May 19, 2015, 07:54:38 PM
Now on the NX website
I can see that logo coming in handy with a certain someone's Round-Up project...
@NXDom
If all goes to plan, all 900s will be Platinum on Monday, of course all might not go to plan
Are we still on for a Monday platinum?
NXWM say so
6702 was running along the A45 near Stonebridge this afternoon, presumably not in service.
With the 900 expected to be in service on Monday, when will the 957 see its Platinum days
Quote from: BusFan on May 22, 2015, 10:07:32 PM
With the 900 expected to be in service on Monday, when will the 957 see its Platinum days
I'm guessing early-mid June :)
06:27 and 6702 appeared with driver suited and booted.
This is going to a long journey as the loud next stop says the same as the full description on the bus stop.
Surprised it didn't say welcome aboard Platinum, instead it said the next stop is the Burges.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/5085VB
Zooms along happily enough and the destination display stands out. Not as grey as expected inside but has corny internal adverts.
how many are out today?
Quote from: jack4325 on May 25, 2015, 07:25:17 AM
how many are out today?
Should be 6701-6707 (As long as 6707 was ready)
@Tony told me the other day.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/5J0642
Saw 6708 running dead in Deritend seemingly to take up service and passed another Platinum near Meriden. 900 isn't all Platinum today as 08:00 from Brum is 4944.
Quote from: NXDom on May 25, 2015, 07:37:05 AM
Should be 6701-6707 (As long as 6707 was ready) @Tony told me the other day.
6702,6705 is out on 900
Quote from: NXDom on May 25, 2015, 07:37:05 AM
Should be 6701-6707 (As long as 6707 was ready) @Tony told me the other day.
No, I said 6701-8 should be out
A good start to platinum with the driver waiting for a running passenger! Good to see!
4944 has just passed me on the 900 just at Digbeth. So not all Platinum then?
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
4944 has just passed me on the 900 just at Digbeth. So not all Platinum then?
only 4944 is out and rest are platinum :)
This is good, I'm contemplating trying out the service today so hopefully won't be waiting too long, undecided wether I'm going to do the whole route or just the brum-airport section.
I'm on 6705. I am very impressed. Comfy seats, There is more legroom and the WI-FI is fast (I'm using it now). There appears to be no plug sockets though?
The Drivers suits look very smart. Well Done NX.
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
I'm on 6705. I am very impressed. Comfy seats, There is more legroom and the WI-FI is fast (I'm using it now). There appears to be no plug sockets though?
The Drivers suits look very smart. Well Done NX.
Someone said that there wasn't going to be plug sockets.
As long as the 1.30 900 from Brum is a Platinum, then I'll be happy. I finish at 1.21
Quote from: Nathan on May 25, 2015, 11:16:00 AM
I'm on 6705. I am very impressed. Comfy seats, There is more legroom and the WI-FI is fast (I'm using it now). There appears to be no plug sockets though?
The Drivers suits look very smart. Well Done NX.
I was on 6705 this morning 0630 to Coventry from my stop :)
they should've put plug sockets in though
Saw 6705 at 8:30 at the priory Queensway lights on outward 900 looking as good in the flesh as in the pictures on the main site. Look forward to hopefully riding on one of these beauties soon
Quote from: John on May 25, 2015, 11:18:15 AM
Someone said that there wasn't going to be plug sockets.
As long as the 1.30 900 from Brum is a Platinum, then I'll be happy. I finish at 1.21
4944 left Brum on the 1100 to Cov, unless there is a large drop-back at Coventry that may well form the 1330 off Birmingham as well.
@Nathan it was me who said hello as I was getting off by the way; remember you from the WN open day! :)
Quote from: Cheese on May 25, 2015, 11:26:35 AM
4944 left Brum on the 1100 to Cov, unless there is a large drop-back at Coventry that may well form the 1330 off Birmingham as well.
4944 did the 10:30 from Brum (left at 10:38), also scheduled to do the 13:00 & 16:00 from B'ham to avoid disappointment
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on May 25, 2015, 11:28:21 AM
@Nathan it was me who said hello as I was getting off by the way; remember you from the WN open day! :)
I thought it was you :) This bus is pretty popular. A fullish load.
@Cheese 4944 was the one behind. The 11am departure was 6705
The woman in front of me wondered where it got to as it was 15 minutes late at the airport. She said to her young daughter look you wanted a silver bus when it appeared!
Who does the Next Stop Announcements?
Quote from: JoNi on May 25, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
The woman in front of me wondered where it got to as it was 15 minutes late at the airport. She said to her young daughter look you wanted a silver bus when it appeared!
members of the public will notice now that 900 has been upgraded to platinum's :)
I have boarded on 6707 from Birmingham, very impressed with the bus. Comfortable seats. I like how the stair handle or the glass lights blue - couldn't see where it was coming from when briefly going up the stairs.
She noticed it was 15 minutes late and real time wasn't working at the stop. Who ever makes the announcements he only recounts the stop names and never says what you can reach at a stop e.g. markets, shops etc. They have an excellent turn of speed and plenty of legroom too.
I photographed possibly the first of the new black/charcole Envir'o buses coming into Coventry today. And I ask. Do we really want black buses on our routes?
The bus was YX15 OXU 6702 OK it looks smart well appointed and there's red on it to give some relief, but would prefer the Birmingham red and dark red. I have emailed a picture taken at 8.45am for the dforum.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 25, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
they should've put plug sockets in though
They'd soon get vandalised. If people can't go 90 minutes without using their phone if it runs out of charge, it shows how sad some people are
@John on the other hand what about those who's phone battery doesn't work properly, cutting out after 30 minutes of usage, and can't swap batteries because the phones are "sealed units"?
Quote from: John on May 25, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
They'd soon get vandalised. If people can't go 90 minutes without using their phone if it runs out of charge, it shows how sad some people are
True, I could imagine them poking stuff inside the socket holes.
Speaking of which, does the driver control next stop announcements? I mean, from the cab? If so, the driver on 6704 has left it on 'The Burges' for quite a while now - from Coventry...
6704 seems to have lost the red plastic covering the stop button - downstairs on the priority seats bell (left side)
4944 on the 900? Nice to see an old bus on there! ;D
I was hoping to catch one today but ended up working :( will try for thirsday
@John yes it was confirmed no plug sockets
Just got on 6705 from cov audio announcement not on screen stuck on perimeter road airport way, must say out of the two journeys I've made I an very impressed well done NXWM.
A couple of observations from my two short trips today.
6705 from Birmingham to Yardley. First impressions were excellent. Lots of 'oohs and aahs' from passengers. Next stop display was working, but the audio didn't come on until the stop after the coach station. And no problems with the wifi.
6707 from Yardley to Birmingham. No audio and the display was stuck on Belgrade theatre for the whole journey.
Bus stop displays were no showing real time, but I'd imagine in a day or two that will be sorted. I'm surprised that timetabled times were not showing instead. Looked as if no 900's were running.
The seats are not really 'extra comfy'. They are still comfortable, but so are most brand new buses. Padding seemed the same as any bus. Nothing will ever beat the comfort on the old Timesavers.
The MMCs have an air circulation system, and although it can be heard on most buses, it seemed extra loud on 6707. Maybe I was sat near the vent? (Near the rear upstairs?) it was almost like white noise!
All in all, great buses and welcome additions to the fleet. I think deep down though if I had to pick between these and the original 6705/7 then there's no contest! 😝
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
My 900 to Coventry was 4944 and my 900 back is 4898. Guess I'll have to try again another day LOL
im gonna try Wednesday hopefully no BX13/SL14 appear on 900
Quote from: Matt on May 25, 2015, 03:58:22 PM
My 900 to Coventry was 4944 and my 900 back is 4898. Guess I'll have to try again another day LOL
Bad luck, champ.
3 of the new 900 buses
6704 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17463763214/in/dateposted-public/
6705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/18087372881/in/dateposted-public/
6707 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17900174459/in/dateposted-public/
I also had a non platinum day . Let th
e 13:20 at the swan pass cos it wasn't new!! Nipped into tesco and missed the next one cos my watch was wrong. Crossed over to go to town on the 14; 04. Gave up at 14:20 cos it disappeared off the real time display. As I got over the road, it appeared! It wasn't to be. The ones I saw all seemed rammed. :-(
Nowadays I use my phone to take pictures which are then posted on this Web forum. By the time one of my photos was "faved" this morning my battery level was down to 75% and the 900 hadn't reached the Airport, so USB ports aren't only for my benefit. Forgot about Wi-fi because it wasn't advertised for all to see on board e.g. by using the next stop signs.
@Solo1 were all drivers in a suit as the driver on one of your photos looks like he's not wearing a suit!!!!!
I personally think that they should bump up the fares on all these services, getting better services they should re claw investment back , like they used to on Timesavers and the areas left with considerably less investment can pay standard fares. At the end of the day more affluent areas in general are benefiting and if NXWM are looking at driving people away from more expensive cars and trains, they will be used to paying higher transport costs. Finally why should NXWM make a bit of extra margin.
Wait for the reaction........ lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 25, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
I personally think that they should bump up the fares on all these services, getting better services they should re claw investment back , like they used to on Timesavers and the areas left with considerably less investment can pay standard fares. At the end of the day more affluent areas in general are benefiting and if NXWM are looking at driving people away from more expensive cars and trains, they will be used to paying higher transport costs. Finally why should NXWM make a bit of extra margin.
Wait for the reaction........ lol
These vehicles will surely pay for themselves over their lifetime so why should the passenger pay more?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 25, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
I personally think that they should bump up the fares on all these services, getting better services they should re claw investment back , like they used to on Timesavers and the areas left with considerably less investment can pay standard fares. At the end of the day more affluent areas in general are benefiting and if NXWM are looking at driving people away from more expensive cars and trains, they will be used to paying higher transport costs. Finally why should NXWM make a bit of extra margin.
Wait for the reaction........ lol
and what happens if a non Platinum vehicle operates the service (which is bound to happen)
If the concept is a "success" then presumably these buses can be cascaded to other routes and new buses bought for what are premium bus routes in the era of Sprint.
@Liverpool Street just an idea; do you think Platinum should be a sticky topic as they are now live?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 25, 2015, 06:03:05 PM
I personally think that they should bump up the fares on all these services, getting better services they should re claw investment back , like they used to on Timesavers and the areas left with considerably less investment can pay standard fares. At the end of the day more affluent areas in general are benefiting and if NXWM are looking at driving people away from more expensive cars and trains, they will be used to paying higher transport costs. Finally why should NXWM make a bit of extra margin.
Wait for the reaction........ lol
A good many of the areas along the 900/957 and 934/5/6, X51/997 would arguably not be described as 'affluent'. And besides, pretty much every service in the region that serves an affluent area will also serve less desirable areas. So I'm not sure that particular economic model of charging the wealthier people more for bus travel could ever work.
Do you then reduce fares each year as the buses become older?
Here is some pics of the Platinums I got today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/
I travelled on both 6706 and 6707 today, and I don't think I've ever been this impressed with new buses as I was today.
Couple of observations of my own, which pretty much coincide with others so far:
None of the Platinum vehicles appeared to be tracking today, but the apps and the realtime screens were showing timetabled info, however both buses I caught were running several minutes late.
The next stop system on 6707 wasn't working; there was no audio, and the display was just scrolling 'Belgrade Theatre'.
It was working perfectly on 6706, and the audio announcements weren't nearly as annoying as I expected them to be. Phil Upton's voice appears to have been replaced with a more 'neutral' male voice. My one criticism is that the display should be higher, so it is above people's heads, then it becomes easier to see towards the rear.
The seats were quite comfortable, and I did notice a bit more legroom.
The driver of 6707 was fully suited up, but the driver on 6706 had removed his jacket (maybe he was too warm in it!).
The wi-fi was working, but be warned, as its free its not a secure connection, so be wary about doing personal stuff like online banking. Probably not a feature I'll use much, as I'm not one of those who has to constantly play with their phone! Likewise, the lack of power sockets is not an issue for me (charge your phone up before you set out!).
These buses are very smart, very striking, and even the little touches like the LED 'mood' lighting on the staircase just ooze quality. I'd be very happy if I lived on this route and had to catch these buses every day!
Real time was definitely being sent from 6702 and 6704 this morning. The screens were not showing real time in Pool Meadow today despite correct departure times shown for Sunday services being operated. I went on three whose next stop information worked correctly.
6702 (On-Board) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo03Aooc_AU
6707 in Sheldon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0IDAZR-YLg
I have uploaded my photos of the Platinums to flickr and thought i'd share:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/sets/72157653378757436/
Feel free to view (For anyone on flickr, feel free to fave and comment)
On the road for the first time today https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/18089327091/in/dateposted-public/
Here is my vid of 6705 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=038_9wJ1o0I
Videos of 6701/6704/6707 will come after this weekend.
One wag said this morning I've seen one of those new platinum buses but it was painted red and white as a disguise so that I'd miss seeing it!
Well, i'm on 6707 now - approaching Small Heath Highway - however, thr Audio Announcements seem to be a real let down. Whether GPS controlled or from the cab, it hasn't changed from 'Park Street' - same goes for 6704 yesterday. As well as not having a red plastic cover for a stop button, the announcement screen downstairs was frozen...
Quote from: clayderman on May 26, 2015, 10:21:03 AM
Well, i'm on 6707 now - approaching Small Heath Highway - however, thr Audio Announcements seem to be a real let down. Whether GPS controlled or from the cab, it hasn't changed from 'Park Street' - same goes for 6704 yesterday. As well as not having a red plastic cover for a stop button, the announcement screen downstairs was frozen...
6703 and 6706 are stuck on Birmingham Coach Station. I've yet to hear any audio announcements
Well impressed with the platinum buses been on (6703/4), apart from a crying child screaming the bus down from Airport to Coventry...
Quote from: Matt on May 26, 2015, 01:27:16 PM
On my way into city to have another go at getting a platinum...to prevent a repeat of yesterday any help in avoiding "older" Enviros would be useful!
i think the older ones are grouped together, if you see 4902 you've probably got a long wait. I think most of the platinums are on 900Es at the moment, probably either arriving in or leaving Brum. (i don't know the route very well though, so can't be sure - I've already miscalculated which of them would be doing the Coventry bit!)
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 26, 2015, 01:24:02 PM
Well impressed with the platinum buses, apart from a crying child screaming the bus down from Airport to Coventry...
Hardly a feature of the bus or Platinum spec!
I noticed, when looking into the cab - the Platinums are shorter than Euro V E400s?
I saw the sticker on 6707 in the driver's cab, which read: Overall Height 14'2" - isn't it usually 14'6"?
@Matt the one I'm on just passing through Sheldon should be im brum in 20 if you wanted to wait for one
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 26, 2015, 01:44:08 PM
Hardly a feature of the bus or Platinum spec!
Parental skills (or the lack of) can be irritating of course, but Platinum buses are intended to carry customers (including those that are children).
I'm guessing that a decent load of enthusiasts has been carried over the the last day and a half!!
Quote from: don on May 26, 2015, 02:22:34 PM
Parental skills (or the lack of) can be irritating of course, but Platinum buses are intended to carry customers (including those that are children).
I'm guessing that a decent load of enthusiasts has been carried over the the last day and a half!!
i just realised that post did not make sense. Platinum itself is brilliant comfy seat love the wifi And the leg room
Quote from: Matt on May 26, 2015, 02:19:09 PM
@danny thanks but it's cool, might be a 900a. I'll just make sure I get one on the way back.
Unlikely would need to be very late (about 6 hours) to be a 900a
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 26, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
i just realised that post did not make sense. Platinum itself is brilliant comfy seat love the wifi And the leg room
The Real 4778 was referring to a screaming child - and Yeah - can't wait to go on one! Won't be for a while though - how many enthusiasts per bus currently, do you reckon?
Quote from: Matt on May 26, 2015, 02:33:05 PM
Hmm ok, thought every other 900 was a 900A to the airport. I must be stuck in the past as usual.
900a is the very early morning variation that goes through Small Heath, not via the bypass
6709 now out. Passed me just on Small Heath Bypass.
6707 is speaking now (just leaving Coventry)
Quote from: N94 on May 26, 2015, 02:53:44 PM
6707 is speaking now (just leaving Coventry)
Do we know the voice, is it male or female?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 26, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
Do we know the voice, is it male or female?
It's nobody I recognise, just a generic male voice.
Quote from: N94 on May 26, 2015, 02:57:32 PM
It's nobody I recognise, just a generic male voice.
Thanks
@N94 , just wondered if it was Phil Upton again!
The next stop display on 6703 showed Birmingham coach station all the way from the airport to Birmingham.
Had a long ride on 6705 this afternoon from Birmingham to Coventry - brilliant bus - best interior I've had on a bus and really smooth running, well built bus. Can't wait to go on some more!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 26, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
Thanks @X94 , just wondered if it was Phil Upton again!
Thank you but you've got the wrong 94. Lol
Quote from: X94 on May 26, 2015, 04:40:42 PM
Thank you but you've got the wrong 94. Lol
Sorry, have corrected it!
Travelled into town on the 51 (4858) and as it turned left by the LaTour hotel, a Platinum 900 passed the other way.
A girl sat upstairs on the 51 turned her head right round looking at the Platinum bus as it went past. :)
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 26, 2015, 10:46:31 PM
Travelled into town on the 51 (4858) and as it turned left by the LaTour hotel, a Platinum 900 passed the other way.
A girl sat upstairs on the 51 turned her head right round looking at the Platinum bus as it went past. :)
Presumably the bird in question was an owl.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 26, 2015, 11:45:05 PM
Presumably the bird in question was an owl.
Haha, well she didnt turn it round that much. She did have a nice pair of hooters. (See what I did there?)
platinums today (27/5/15)
6708
6709
6707
6702
6705
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on May 27, 2015, 12:03:25 AM
Haha, well she didnt turn it round that much. She did have a nice pair of hooters. (See what I did there?)
I suppose on a bus forum there's always space for a couple of nicely turned out Bristol DDs.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 27, 2015, 07:54:25 AM
platinums today (27/5/15)
6708
6709
6707
6702
6705
and 6701 & 6703
WiFi on 6701 is quite sluggish, compared to 6702 or 6705... Still, loving the livery!
Been on both 'promo' platinums today. Very happy with myself.
The general consensus is that these Platinum vehicles seem to really good, living up to their hype somewhat. Guess I need to make a journey to the Airport !
Quote from: BusFan on May 27, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
The general consensus is that these Platinum vehicles seem to really good, living up to their hype somewhat. Guess I need to make a journey to the Airport !
Possibly worth a break of commute at BHI tonight then....
I had a couple of rides today - announcements were pretty good. I think the combination of moquette and leather is a good one. Leather alone is slippy on a bus. One thing, though: the stop before the Swan going towards Coventry is next to the premises of Platinum Executive Travel - Rolls Royces for hire. Expect the lawsuit next week, NXWM!
One thing I noticed was that approaching St Martins church inbound the driver changed the display to Coventry 900, whereupon the next stop announcement said 'Birmingham Coach Station' though we hadn't yet arrived at Moor St. Presumably it's worked by GPS and thought the bus was already outbound.
Timetables changed in shelters to show 900/957 as platinum services!
Just found one in Allesley Village
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/P1Zah4
Travelled on 6705 and 6707, neither driver in suits and 6705 completely silent announcements wise, fairly impressed though with the amount of side support can see the seats actually being less comfier for the wider person
I was on 6707 about 1754 from the Wheatsheaf to the Swan. Nice and smooth. Like the legroom and brief use of wifi.No stop announcements but the " next stop" in continous display was "Avis Retail Park". Slight teething problems with the announcements which maybe should have been checked prior to the buses going into full time passenger service.
6702 on 6.15 ex city on 900 service
900 is currently 100% platinum for the first time
Good to hear - assume the 957 may go Platinum either next week or the week after?
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 28, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
Good to hear - assume the 957 may go Platinum either next week or the week after?
6711 & 6712 may arrive tomorrow
@Tony Thanks - looking forward to seeing the 957 go Platinum as well - ones on the 900 are really good.
http://www.route-one.net/industry/newm-platinum-the-platinum-partners/?utm_source=Route+One+Master+Subscribers&utm_campaign=bf39019839-routeONE+News+Digest%3A+27+May+2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_584b65a2d5-bf39019839-99272977
Is 6704 out on 900?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 28, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
Is 6704 out on 900?
Yes it should work the 13:03 from Airport then the 13:50 from Birmingham
Does any one know how many platinum is out today and which R/Bs they're on?
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 29, 2015, 12:45:30 PM
Does any one know how many platinum is out today and which R/Bs they're on?
6702
6704
6707
6709
Are out today
6709 will do 1250 Birmingham-Airport
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 29, 2015, 12:47:59 PM
6702
6704
6707
6709
Are out today
6709 will do 1250 Birmingham-Airport
Cheers
@nxwmbusfan1999
Just come back from town & saw 6701/06/07/09 on the 900.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/8f93s7
Quote from: JoNi on May 29, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/8f93s7
Lovely pic, I love that little park in Meriden 8)
Quote from: Stu on May 29, 2015, 06:55:57 PM
Lovely pic, I love that little park in Meriden 8)
I first viewed the photo on my phone and was wondering why has a nature photograph been posted ! I just jumped on my laptop and after a proper view, I can see the Platinum in the distance !
I was on the 16:45 87 which overtook the 900 when it went round Park hill and spotted the sun was in a nice place in Meriden. Ran back from next stop and found a gap in the trees (easier said than done) and took shots to nothing as the bus soon zoomed by.
The other shot ended up with bus behind a tree!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/5UU5GL
The Platinum vehicles are not bad, although one I traveled on had more than its fair share of rattles for such a new vehicle.
However, the front destination displays are great, by far the clearest I ever remember seeing on any bus. If only all buses had these!
Quote from: Bryan on May 30, 2015, 10:08:06 PM
The Platinum vehicles are not bad, although one I traveled on had more than its fair share of rattles for such a new vehicle.
However, the front destination displays are great, by far the clearest I ever remember seeing on any bus. If only all buses had these!
It may just be me, but i'm just throwing it out there... The Full Colour displays are a pain to program in HELEN! lol ;)
Quote from: clayderman on May 31, 2015, 12:26:44 PM
It may just be me, but i'm just throwing it out there... The Full Colour displays are a pain to program in HELEN! lol ;)
Tell me about it, having to change the colour for each individual 'slide'.
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 12:32:52 PM
Tell me about it, having to change the colour for each individual 'slide'.
@Dom Well, that I have no problem with... It's the fact that, on some slides, the colour that you change the font to fills the ENTIRE editor. And worse, if it's on 'SuperX', then the 'Preview' takes forever to change. ::) Long story short, I'm sticking to the normal LEDs, lol. :)
Quote from: clayderman on May 31, 2015, 12:38:15 PM
@Dom Well, that I have no problem with... It's the fact that, on some slides, the colour that you change the font to fills the ENTIRE editor. And worse, if it's on 'SuperX', then the 'Preview' takes forever to change. ::) Long story short, I'm sticking to the normal LEDs, lol. :)
I've created every NX route and the last few weeks I've finally found the right settings for the super X displays and have now finally completed changing all the destination displays... and now they introduce scrolling via's on WN routes!!!
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2015, 12:41:39 PM
I've created every NX route and the last few weeks I've finally found the right settings for the super X displays and have now finally completed changing all the destination displays... and now they introduce scrolling via's on WN routes!!!
How unfortunate! I have contemplated doing this, and have attempted BC's several times, although, I always seem to get bored of it quickly, and carry on with some of my make believe routes...
(05/06/15 and 06/06/15)
NXWM are displaying their platinum buses today from 10am at Bullring
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 05, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
(05/06/15 and 06/06/15)
NXWM are displaying their platinum buses today from 10am at Bullring
6124 and 6702 are there today.
when will Walsall get them?
And what route will be done 1st
as mentioned on route branded buses off route thread
6711 (957)-900E (Birmingham-Birmingham Airport)
Currently on the last 51, and curiosity got the better of me.
When Walsall get Platinum buses, will the late evening timetables have to change? Because else the 51 will be getting Platinum or the 934/935A will get lesser 51 branded Enviro400s
Quote from: Kevin on June 06, 2015, 12:22:13 AM
Currently on the last 51, and curiosity got the better of me.
When Walsall get Platinum buses, will the late evening timetables have to change? Because else the 51 will be getting Platinum or the 934/935A will get lesser 51 branded Enviro400s
I don't know how true it is, but someone has commented on my Facebook page that according to a Walsall driver, from July there will be extra evening journeys on the X51, so could well be timetable changes to keep the Platinum buses on Platinum routes.
I asked this at the platinum training and the lady doing it said she honestly didn't know and would try to find out. I think they will have to change some running boards
6701 on the 957:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/17896989134/
Not the best quality in the world but here is 6711 on Moor St today:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/18518909115/
Is it just me or is the back destination too dull?> It doesn't stand out from the branding at all. Unless it is due to the law about having no rear facing white bulbs?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 06, 2015, 01:17:38 PM
Is it just me or is the back destination too dull?> It doesn't stand out from the branding at all. Unless it is due to the law about having no rear facing white bulbs?
Doesn't seem to be an issue with Arriva's Sapphire vehicles.
Quite a few people appear to be excited about the introduction of these Platinum vehicles, but West Midlands PTE had similar upmarket vehicles on the 'Timesaver' routes. It has just been that over the years the services have been downgraded in vehicle specification and now, lo and behold, everyone is supposed to get excited.
Wasn't around at the time of Timesaver vehicles, but going by my interpretation, the Platinums look far smarter inside/externally, they of course didn't have Wi-Fi, weren't low emissions. The Platinum brand is probably a stepup on the Timesavers - and wouldn't say over the years that the main corridors into Birmingham have seen any downgrade in vehicle spec - Tridents in early 2000s, Geminis, E400s, and now MMCs.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 06, 2015, 07:02:45 PM
Wasn't around at the time of Timesaver vehicles, but going by my interpretation, the Platinums look far smarter inside/externally, they of course didn't have Wi-Fi, weren't low emissions. The Platinum brand is probably a stepup on the Timesavers - and wouldn't say over the years that the main corridors into Birmingham have seen any downgrade in vehicle spec - Tridents in early 2000s, Geminis, E400s, and now MMCs.
Timesaver 'improvements' as far as the passenger was concerned was comfy seats. No other difference to normal buses of the time if they were used on the same routes
Thanks
@Tony - thought they didn't have much above their counterparts at the time.
The comparison should be between the Platinums and their contemporaries, the MMC E400s. The Timesavers, with much more comfortable seats, a four speed gearbox, higher top speed and revised interior colours were a greater improvement on contemporary Metrobuses than Platinums are over the MMC E400s This isn't to disparage the Platinums in any way.
Quote from: Stevo on June 06, 2015, 09:29:52 PM
The comparison should be between the Platinums and their contemporaries, the MMC E400s. The Timesavers, with much more comfortable seats, a four speed gearbox, higher top speed and revised interior colours were a greater improvement on contemporary Metrobuses than Platinums are over the MMC E400s This isn't to disparage the Platinums in any way.
And the Platinums and their contemporaries have more comfortable seats, higher top speed, revised interior colours (notice the similarities), but then also have wifi and have got councils to improve bus priority because of the investment (watch out for bus lane cameras appearing on the 934/5/6, 997 & X51 corridor), Watch out for roadworks to improve Bordesley Circus on the 900/957 corridor. The only thing missing is the extra gear which I doubt passengers really noticed on the Metrobuses, and is not needed on the E400s as they are quite capable of 62mph without it
Very impressive vehicles - I'm hoping to get a trip on one and a crimson MMC next week.
Is it my imagination or has the influx of new vehicles from ADL slowed to a snail's pace? They seemed to be arriving at the rate of half a dozen a week a month or so back.
and when are Wolverhampton, Dudley & Stourbridge going to get Platinum!
Quote from: Bryan on June 06, 2015, 06:45:06 PM
Quite a few people appear to be excited about the introduction of these Platinum vehicles, but West Midlands PTE had similar upmarket vehicles on the 'Timesaver' routes. It has just been that over the years the services have been downgraded in vehicle specification and now, lo and behold, everyone is supposed to get excited.
Didn't the Timesavers get trashed much quicker though because of the graffiti era?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 06, 2015, 09:55:13 PM
Didn't the Timesavers get trashed much quicker though because of the graffiti era?
Yes, Most also only had dummy CCTV,
When delivered they had carpets which were a disaster which soon became an oily mess and was removed.
They were delivered with only 23 seats downstairs, 4 of which faced backwards at the rear another bad decision which had to be changed with the addition of four extra seats.
The seats, while very comfy could easily be broken by moronic idiots pushing them back & forth a couple of times.
But they are from the past so they must have been better!
The timesaver seats were far more comfortable than seats on any newer bus werent they
Quote from: Bob on June 06, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
The timesaver seats were far more comfortable than seats on any newer bus werent they
Have you been on a Platinum yet Bob?
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Yes, Most also only had dummy CCTV,
When delivered they had carpets which were a disaster which soon became an oily mess and was removed.
They were delivered with only 23 seats downstairs, 4 of which faced backwards at the rear another bad decision which had to be changed with the addition of four extra seats.
The seats, while very comfy could easily be broken by moronic idiots pushing them back & forth a couple of times.
But they are from the past so they must have been better!
Showing my lack of age. I saw a picture somewhere online of a rear shot of a Timesaver and you could see the rear seats upstairs. Well what was left of them. You know already my idea of nostalgia, but I'm still to sample a Platinum.
Not sure if this is because I'm quite broad and tall, but I found the Platinum's seats really uncomfortable, the height of the headrest and the padding on the sides seemed to squash my upper body in a bit. Maybe they could have some 'Big Boy' seats like at Drayton Manor haha
I personally found the platinum seats to be as comfortable as any new bus. Nothing out of the ordinary. I actually found the seats on the ex PB batch of leather Enviros to be more comfortable when new.
On the old Timesavers, wasn't there supposed to be public address systems on them, according to what I remember of the prelaunch publicity?
If there was, they never got used did they?
(Union reasons?)
I'll wait for the Platinums until they appear at Walsall personally.
If they appear on the Bloxwich & Cannock extensions, it'll be a culture shock!
Quote from: Westy on June 06, 2015, 11:52:32 PM
On the old Timesavers, wasn't there supposed to be public address systems on them, according to what I remember of the prelaunch publicity?
If there was, they never got used did they?
(Union reasons?)
I'll wait for the Platinums until they appear at Walsall personally.
If they appear on the Bloxwich & Cannock extensions, it'll be a culture shock!
I was told earlier that the Platinums have a PA System
Not been on one yet tony no. Will they appear pn the cannock trips on X51s?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 06, 2015, 09:55:13 PM
Didn't the Timesavers get trashed much quicker though because of the graffiti era?
I can recall LS-operated 27xx & 28xx Metrobuses in the late 159/early 900 era heading in to and out of Coventry covered in graffiti upstairs. The Timesavers, presumably caught the full force, in that 1986-88 'graffiti era'
6701,6711 on 957 today
I didn't realise Platinums have a higher top speed. Is it a higher rear axle ratio or more powerful engine?
Quote from: Stevo on June 07, 2015, 10:06:34 AM
I didn't realise Platinums have a higher top speed. Is it a higher rear axle ratio or more powerful engine?
Different speed limiter setting. Crimson =50; Platinum =62mph
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Different speed limiter setting. Crimson =50; Platinum =62mph
Do they accelerate any quicker? The higher top speed won't be a benefit on normal service as the max is 50 on the a5 (935a)
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2015, 10:19:30 AM
Different speed limiter setting. Crimson =50; Platinum =62mph
Is it because the roads they go on the way to coventry
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 07, 2015, 12:03:26 PM
Do they accelerate any quicker? The higher top speed won't be a benefit on normal service as the max is 50 on the a5 (935a)
Your routes maybe, the 900 has a long stretch of 60mph Along the A45
Fleet news in BUSES magazine mentions that 6715 is branded for route 947. (6703-10 900 & 6711-14 957).
Anyone fancy a limited stop to Turves Green? 😂
Quote from: Gareth on June 19, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Fleet news in BUSES magazine mentions that 6715 is branded for route 947. (6703-10 900 & 6711-14 957).
Anyone fancy a limited stop to Turves Green? 😂
Sounds daft but there was a (short lived) Pershore Road Timesaver to Barnt Green back in the day. I wonder whether at some stage Platinum will be introduced on non Limited Stop routes, like Stagecoach Gold and Arriva Sapphire have.
I'm curious to know when any more are likely to be delivered - seems a bit strange delivering only part of the BC order and then stopping for several weeks. Anyone know when any more are likely to materialise?
Maybe that was always the delivery plan. 'You can have 11 by this date, and all 18 by this date'.
Or maybe the cellotape and paper clips holding them together like AG's E200's have come loose and they are being rebuilt. 😝😝😝
Bus stop flags along the 957 route to at least Sheldon have been updated, assuming this is to do with the upgrade to platinum. They are now black, similar to the ones which were in the City Centre
6714 is out on 957 if anyone wants a picture
On its way to Solihull now 0940
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 02, 2015, 09:40:00 AM
6714 is out on 957 if anyone wants a picture
On its way to Solihull now 0940
6713; 6714 & 6715 all out
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
6713; 6714 & 6715 all out
6713- 1027 Birmingham-Solihull
6715- 1042 Birmingham-Solihull
6714- 1055 Birmingham-Solihull
What will be the maximum speed of the Walsall Platinums?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on July 02, 2015, 05:36:20 PM
What will be the maximum speed of the Walsall Platinums?
I remember a post stating it was 60mph.
Quote from: BusFan on July 02, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
I remember a post stating it was 60mph.
Most NXWM buses are set at 50. BC's Platinums are set at 62 (Maximum Speed you are allowed to set it to). Is there any roads that the X51/934/5/6/997 serve that are higher than a 50mph limit? If not then WA's will probably be set like the rest of the NXWM fleet.
Quote from: Nathan on July 02, 2015, 06:16:31 PM
Most NXWM buses are set at 50. BC's Platinums are set at 62 (Maximum Speed you are allowed to set it to). Is there any roads that the X51/934/5/6/997 serve that are higher than a 50mph limit? If not then WA's will probably be set like the rest of the NXWM fleet.
There are now quite a few buses being set at 62mph, including 6147 I was driving yesterday
Meanwhile the Plaxtons are around 44mph except for 4023 which isn't limited (is that still the case?)
Quote from: Nathan on July 02, 2015, 06:16:31 PM
Most NXWM buses are set at 50. BC's Platinums are set at 62 (Maximum Speed you are allowed to set it to). Is there any roads that the X51/934/5/6/997 serve that are higher than a 50mph limit? If not then WA's will probably be set like the rest of the NXWM fleet.
A short section of the a5 by the rising sun is 50 on the 935A
Just one 'non-Platinum' 900/957 today, 4159 is on the 957
6718 is out on the 900E this evening
Dave
Apparently walsall have rejected 2 (or 3) platinums due to oil leaks !
6715 seen this morning at Coventry Road/Clay Lane To City with engineers in attendance.
Dave
It must be serious...6715 on suspended tow back to BC. Been there all day.
Dave
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2015, 08:34:52 PM
Apparently walsall have rejected 2 (or 3) platinums due to oil leaks !
Extraordinary!
An interesting cover to Coach and Bus Week. One of the articles is about Platinums and another about the scrapping of First Cymru bendies in Swansea. I wonder If Centro are taking this into consideration before going ahead with Sprint. It seems to me that NXWM have a much better solution with the faster services going on the longer routes as is happening with Platinum.
Considering the 957 is a Platinum service, I only noted one MMC on there this afternoon. The rest were standard E400' s with 2124 putting in an appearance.
So far today every journey on both the 900 & 957 has been operated by a Platinum, every journey has run, and there has been no excessive late running, just a couple of journies around 10 minutes late.
If BC can keep that up it should start impressing the punters!
Quote from: Tony on July 06, 2015, 06:41:54 PM
So far today every journey on both the 900 & 957 has been operated by a Platinum, every journey has run, and there has been no excessive late running, just a couple of journies around 10 minutes late.
If BC can keep that up it should start impressing the punters!
Apart from the bus not functioning properly, whats to happen for BC not to send out a Platinum bus ?!
6718 on 957
On it's way to Birmingham 1005
6716 just left Solihull on 957 1010
6718 sent back to garage just after 14:00 because of an ABS light coming on or something like that, had to get off and wait for the next platinum on 957 6716
Doesn't that entitle you to some sort of compensation?
Quote from: danny on July 07, 2015, 02:32:21 PM
6718 sent back to garage just after 14:00 because of an ABS light coming on or something like that, had to get off and wait for the next platinum on 957 6716
This latest 2015 batch of ADL vehicles seem to be having a lot of problems! I know they are all new models but this is taking the p*** surely! I know an ABS light is minor and probably the sensor, but still.
What with Walsall rumoured to have rejected them, the problems YW are having, AG, and evidently BC. Not good at all. I wonder if this will influence any decision NX make with future orders. I know it's all covered under warranty, but surely there is a line between that and having to constantly adjust whats out on the road due to faults!
@MW Hopefully it's just a set of teething issues....what's up with the YW ones? However really if this persists, NX should switch to Wright/Volvo again. B7RLEs are a good set of reliable vehicles I'm led to believe.
It was probably the cheapest package!
6716 on 900 (going Coventry) 0958
6717 on 957 (going Solihull) 0945
Quote from: MW on July 07, 2015, 11:05:05 PM
This latest 2015 batch of ADL vehicles seem to be having a lot of problems! I know they are all new models but this is taking the p*** surely! I know an ABS light is minor and probably the sensor, but still.
What with Walsall rumoured to have rejected them, the problems YW are having, AG, and evidently BC. Not good at all. I wonder if this will influence any decision NX make with future orders. I know it's all covered under warranty, but surely there is a line between that and having to constantly adjust whats out on the road due to faults!
Yeah 2 or 3 WA ones have oil leaks!
6702 has lost it's £12.50 blob and lettering from the front upper deck windscreen.
6721 and 6722 now branded, same as 6701 and 6702
Are any of the WA Platinums in service yet?
10th August they're out
Which routes?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 22, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
Which routes?
934/5/6 inter work and x51 and 997 do so I'm not sure what will happen on the 10th but apparently the streetly Rota (934/5/6) and City express (x51 and 997) are been put back together as one list, so word goes!
Sorry if this has been posted previously but have any more been delivered yet - presumably they need more than have been delivered for 10th August?
Have the faulty ones been rectified?
I'm not sure if they back yet, but it believe Falkirk were on summer shut down. Deliveries will commence when back at work.
I haven't noticed anymore
Quote from: Gareth on July 23, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
I'm not sure if they back yet, but it believe Falkirk were on summer shut down. Deliveries will commence when back at work.
Tony's post suggests some should be due around now - the two week shutdown was at the beginning of July, so they would have been back a week ago last Monday.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg149969#msg149969
Quote from: don on July 23, 2015, 12:28:52 PM
Tony's post suggests some should be due around now - the two week shutdown was at the beginning of July, so they would have been back a week ago last Monday.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg149969#msg149969
Yes hopefully more this week
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2015, 12:59:41 PM
Yes hopefully more this week
Any news on the ones that had oil leaks Tony?
Has the Wi-Fi policy changed?. When I signed on, I was asked for my name,email and route number {957}instead of just clicking the "confirm" button. I was only the bus for less than 5 minutes (between Moor Street and Park Street) and I was logged off with a message saying "I've used up my data allowance"!!. Dodgy Wi-Fi connection on bus 6713 maybe?
I used the wifi on 6705 on the first day in service weeks ago. I had to sign in with route number and email address
Quote from: Gareth on August 04, 2015, 08:25:36 AM
I used the wifi on 6705 on the first day in service weeks ago. I had to sign in with route number and email address
@Gareth when its first time you've used their wifi you will be able to use it anytime you want when riding 900 or 957
Quote from: http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinumPlease note that Wi-Fi on our Platinum buses has a personal daily download limit.
And yes, the first time you use the service you have to 'sign up' by providing your email address, but then it should remember you next time, at least it does on Chiltern Railways (same provider).
Do also bear in mind that as it is a 'free' service, it is not a secured connection, so I'd be vary about doing things like online banking. It's fine for checking emails, social media accounts and light web-browsing, but don't expect to be able to stream Eastenders in HD.
Seems to be a quirk with the X51 journeys from Cannock, when you get a bus with the public address system working, when it gets to Walsall, it jumps from announcing Walsall Bus Station to announcing the Six Ways stop before it even gets to the Bus Station!
GPS maybe?
Just a thought, would Coventry get a 'platinum' route? Or would they brand the premium service different maybe NXC Diamond (darker blue with a silver strip?)
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
Just a thought, would Coventry get a 'platinum' route? Or would they brand the premium service different maybe NXC Diamond (darker blue with a silver strip?)
Or just Platinum with 'Coventry' instead of West Mids fleetname. I'd keep the exact same grey livery too.
Quote from: Nathan on February 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Or just Platinum with 'Coventry' instead of West Mids fleetname. I'd keep the exact same grey livery too.
Fair poinr was curious, maybe the 4 could be their platinum route to withdraw the bendis?
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
Just a thought, would Coventry get a 'platinum' route? Or would they brand the premium service different maybe NXC Diamond (darker blue with a silver strip?)
Hardly likely to use the name Diamond
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2016, 09:37:21 PM
Hardly likely to use the name Diamond
No offence to Rotala, its not the standard to live up to......
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 09:11:30 PM
Just a thought, would Coventry get a 'platinum' route? Or would they brand the premium service different maybe NXC Diamond (darker blue with a silver strip?)
Any way if you want a gem why not sapphire (I know Arriva use it but they aren't in the area), but regionalising the Platinum Livery would be a good idea, the Blue for Coventry the Green for Dundee and Crimson/Red for West Midlands (which is the current).
As for route, the 4 isn't such a good idea, the 12 which is a half way house might be a good idea and moving the buses there to the 4. But the Mercs are in my view a symbol of peace, a way of getting over the war and going forward stronger.
No one ever stated NX Platinum buses have to be new vehicles. Arriva has used older Enviro's and converted them to Sapphire standard to look as new.
An obvious route to upgrade to a premium service in Coventry is the 9/A by upgrading Wright single deckers as it serves posh southern suburbs and has competition at hospital end.
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 09:22:56 PM
Fair poinr was curious, maybe the 4 could be their platinum route to withdraw the bendis?
I was only thinking about this earlier today. I would guess that they would keep the same livery, but with blue in place of the red to differentiate between NXC and NXWM platinums.
As for route, I would think something like the 8/9 would be candidates, as they serve the station and generally seem busy. The 9 could be converted to deckers (which from what I've seen, it could do with at times) and the Eclipses could move to some of the ex-0405N routes, freeing up ALXs for the 4.
The 20 could also be a candidate as I think they have competition with Stagecoach(?), though I guess it depends if we get platinum single deckers.
Quote from: S570 on February 14, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
As for route, I would think something like the 8/9 would be candidates, as they serve the station and generally seem busy. The 9 could be converted to deckers (which from what I've seen, it could do with at times) and the Eclipses could move to some of the ex-0405N routes, freeing up ALXs for the 4.
If that did happen.
Maybe they could replace the Gemini which could go to Dundee then some of there Presidents could be withdrawn?
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
If that did happen.
Maybe they could replace the Gemini which could go to Dundee then some of there Presidents could be withdrawn?
Or maybe wb for the 5
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
If that did happen.
Maybe they could replace the Gemini which could go to Dundee then some of there Presidents could be withdrawn?
I think it would depend what happens with the Bendies. I'm guessing there are a few off the road atm, as recently ALXs have been appearing on the 4 quite regularly (so much so I don't bother posting them as noteworthy workings any more).
Although CVs Geminis are pretty terrible, I would think that replacing the bendies would be a priority.
Hello. Not posted for a while but i've noticed that the stop flags on the Sutton Lines bus stops have recently been changed to the black flags.
Does this mean it's likely that Platinum is on its way for the Sutton Lines?
Quote from: james99 on February 18, 2016, 02:44:20 AM
Hello. Not posted for a while but i've noticed that the stop flags on the Sutton Lines bus stops have recently been changed to the black flags.
Does this mean it's likely that Platinum is on its way for the Sutton Lines?
Ive noticed some of the Bloxwich Road stops now have the new style stops so I suspect they may rolling them out gradually.
Quote from: james99 on February 18, 2016, 02:44:20 AM
Hello. Not posted for a while but i've noticed that the stop flags on the Sutton Lines bus stops have recently been changed to the black flags.
Does this mean it's likely that Platinum is on its way for the Sutton Lines?
I think those are for the 110, being the same spec as Platinum, rather than the Suttons going Platinum. I know I keep saying it but I really can't see us getting Platinum buses for the Suttons
Quote from: John on February 18, 2016, 07:44:19 AM
I think those are for the 110, being the same spec as Platinum, rather than the Suttons going Platinum. I know I keep saying it but I really can't see us getting Platinum buses for the Suttons
As I have said in my post before my source has confirmed the Sutton lines will be going platinum when is the million dollar question
Quote from: Nxwm on February 18, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
As I have said in my post before my source has confirmed the Sutton lines will be going platinum when is the million dollar question
I love how people can confirm thing before the management have even decided!
Quote from: Tony on February 18, 2016, 10:20:16 AM
I love how people can confirm thing before the management have even decided!
IF the Sutton routes do get Platinum, it wouldn't be bad going.
New buses in 2000 - 4110 etc
New buses in 2001 - 4280 etc
New buses in 2007 - 4718 etc
New buses in 2013 - 4914 etc
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on February 18, 2016, 12:29:08 PM
IF the Sutton routes do get Platinum, it wouldn't be bad going.
New buses in 2000 - 4110 etc
New buses in 2001 - 4280 etc
New buses in 2007 - 4718 etc
New buses in 2013 - 4914 etc
What routes were 4475-4516 new for other than the 33? They did make regular appearances on the Suttons, but what routes were they actually new for?
I'm not sure but they appeared on the 7 often.
Quote from: MW on February 18, 2016, 12:40:24 PM
What routes were 4475-4516 new for other than the 33? They did make regular appearances on the Suttons, but what routes were they actually new for?
34 as well
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on February 18, 2016, 12:29:08 PM
IF the Sutton routes do get Platinum, it wouldn't be bad going.
New buses in 2000 - 4110 etc
New buses in 2001 - 4280 etc
New buses in 2007 - 4718 etc
New buses in 2013 - 4914 etc
Takes the ?,,;( lol
It's my view.
94 platinum to please
@monkeyjoe lol :)
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/0up3p5
6707 floor has build up of dirt and dried stain on both sides upstairs at the front. Regrettably these "standards" have become more prevalent on 900 recently.
@JoNi - why don't you re-post it in the 'Oddities' thread, then hopefully it will get sorted
Quote from: JoNi on March 14, 2016, 09:00:19 AM
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/0up3p5
6707 floor has build up of dirt and dried stain on both sides upstairs at the front. Regrettably these "standards" have become more prevalent on 900 recently.
@JoNi - why don't you re-post it in the 'Oddities' thread, then hopefully it will get sorted
Yep. Standard procedure. Don't blame the company though, blame the dirty buggers who use the service. I travelled on the 957 not so long ago and there was rubbish everywhere. And some yobs tried kicking the doors in.
I thought to myself "the company paid all this money for these buses and just look how the public treat them"
in my honest opinion I don't think any Birmingham routes should be platinum. The passengers simply do not deserve it
So how do you come to that conclusion Liverpool Street? Trying not to sound blunt here but not everybody who has to use a bus is scum. Comments like yours are so typical.
Quote from: Bususer79 on March 15, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
So how do you come to that conclusion Liverpool Street? Trying not to sound blunt here but not everybody who has to use a bus is scum. Comments like yours are so typical.
And you wonder why
Treat the buses with respect and I could understand
But they don't
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 15, 2016, 06:34:24 PM
And you wonder why
Treat the buses with respect and I could understand
But they don't
Agreed they should ban eating and drinking for a start
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 15, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
Agreed they should ban eating and drinking for a start
I don't see how NX would be able to stop people eating and drinking on their buses. If they take there rubbish with them then I don't see anything wrong with it.
I think they should do something about smoking on buses though.
Personally, I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on buses, as long as they take their rubbish with them. I'm never normally on a bus long enough to even think about doing either, I'll usually wait until I get to where I'm going, or have something to eat before setting out. But even if I did, I wouldn't dream of just discarding my rubbish on the bus, I'd take it with me, and dispose of it in a bin when I got off.
It just boils down to people basically; I don't like tarring all people with the same brush, but I certainly do ask questions of people who think it is perfectly acceptable to leave half-eaten food and other litter on a bus seat that somebody else will have to use. Simple lack of respect, not just for other people, but for themselves too. And it makes you wonder what they're like at home, bet they wouldn't like it if I came round their house and tossed an empty cider can on their carpet or left chip wrappers on their sofa!
@Stu, its the abundance of sucked-clean chicken bones that get me....
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/Legal-2015/MicrosoftWord-CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2015.pdf
6.11 - eating isn't allowed officially!
My mom was on the 50 the other day and said there was all spit all over the floor!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 15, 2016, 10:14:01 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/Legal-2015/MicrosoftWord-CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2015.pdf
6.11 - eating isn't allowed officially!
My mom was on the 50 the other day and said there was all spit all over the floor!
Arguably, the fare table on the drivers cab door does state that you shouldn't bring any food/drink which may spill onto the bus - on board the bus; then again, arguments which may arise will be that this is not outruling all food/drink from the vehicle; or the general public moaning that they hadn't seen this notice at all...
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 15, 2016, 10:14:01 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/Legal-2015/MicrosoftWord-CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2015.pdf
6.11 - eating isn't allowed officially!
My mom was on the 50 the other day and said there was all spit all over the floor!
Why would anyone do that?!
They're worse than wild pigs
You could totally ban all eating & drinking, but what then do you about a people who needs to eat and drink for medical reasons, eg: someone with diabetes?
I do personally feel that hot food should be banned, the smell is awful and makes far more mess than cold food.
A bus after a school run... the mess...
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 15, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
You could totally ban all eating & drinking, but what then do you about a people who needs to eat and drink for medical reasons, eg: someone with diabetes?
I do personally feel that hot food should be banned, the smell is awful and makes far more mess than cold food.
I don't think anybody will mind somebody on the verge of a diabetic coma having a biscuit. They don't need a full meal on a bus.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2016, 11:44:16 AM
Yep. Standard procedure. Don't blame the company though, blame the dirty buggers who use the service. I travelled on the 957 not so long ago and there was rubbish everywhere. And some yobs tried kicking the doors in.
I thought to myself "the company paid all this money for these buses and just look how the public treat them"
in my honest opinion I don't think any Birmingham routes should be platinum. The passengers simply do not deserve it
I can guarantee its not just Birmingham - I recently travelled on a nearly new Arriva Southern Counties Sapphire Enviro and was appalled at the litter - there was a chap eating fish and chips and a couple of girls with their feet up on the seats.
To be honest, litter removal and cleaning is something which has to be boosted if you're going to operate premium services in urban areas - many trains, especially longer distance into Victoria (South Eastern - not sure about Southern) get a litter squad boarding at the terminal. There are roving cleaners on TfL Tramlink - get on at one stop, clear extraneous litter then get off and deal with the stop area. It just means that most passengers don't encounter the crap the small minority leave behind.
Also, and I'm sure it's difficult to achieve, but why run premium vehicles on school services? I'm sure someone will say xyz board does an abc school journey, then one trip on service def (which is not a premium service) before taking up duty on the service for which its intended, by which time it's in no fit state presentation wise.
So although it is true there are a certain proportion of anti social idiots in any given area, it is often in the gift of the operator to think outside the box and change its approach to ensure the least possible chance of its flagship operations failing to live up to expectations.
Oh and finally, the Arriva Sapphire was 15 mins late on a 30 min frequency at 8pm.... not a good image to have left with a first time customer!!
All that said the customer satisfaction scores for Platinum are excellent news. Good to hear a success story.
Quote from: Gareth on March 16, 2016, 12:34:31 AM
I don't think anybody will mind somebody on the verge of a diabetic coma having a biscuit. They don't need a full meal on a bus.
If there was a litter bin provided to put the wrapper in there'd be less chance of it being thrown on the floor also....
Quote from: don on March 16, 2016, 12:47:30 AM
If there was a litter bin provided to put the wrapper in there'd be less chance of it being thrown on the floor also....
There are litter bins at the majority of bus stops; if people took their rubbish with them and disposed of it themselves we wouldn't need on-bus cleaners! ;)
There's a female bus cleaner at the 934/5/6/7/997 bus stop in Lower Bull Street, she never cleans the Platinums (at least the several Platinums I was on) - she boards on the bus with a smile and tries to flirt and/or have a hearty chat with the drivers while they sign the paper to "confirm" she has actually cleaned the bus. She gets her paperwork back and gets off the bus.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 16, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
There's a female bus cleaner at the 934/5/6/7/997 bus stop in Lower Bull Street, she never cleans the Platinums (at least the several Platinums I was on) - she boards on the bus with a smile and tries to flirt and/or have a hearty chat with the drivers while they sign the paper to "confirm" she has actually cleaned the bus. She gets her paperwork back and gets off the bus.
I know who you're on about. She does clean the buses. She'll quickly go through the bus picking up rubbish.
I wondering if the 5 and the 77 might convert to this as they were part of centro's original experiment back in the day when the 1, 997 and 33's all got converted buses. The name of it I can't remember was it back around 2000 ish.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 16, 2016, 07:57:40 AM
I wondering if the 5 and the 77 might convert to this as they were part of centro's original experiment back in the day when the 1, 997 and 33's all got converted buses. The name of it I can't remember was it back around 2000 ish.
Was this when the Plaxton/B10L were done for the 1, 377 & 451, or are you talking of another time?
Yep, complete waste of money that was ?? Or was it
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 16, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
There's a female bus cleaner at the 934/5/6/7/997 bus stop in Lower Bull Street, she never cleans the Platinums (at least the several Platinums I was on) - she boards on the bus with a smile and tries to flirt and/or have a hearty chat with the drivers while they sign the paper to "confirm" she has actually cleaned the bus. She gets her paperwork back and gets off the bus.
Same with the cleaners in Wolverhampton. Clean routes such as 126 and 529.
Even platinum routes such as the 997 get hammered by school kids from great Barr. There's usually a floor full of ripped up newspaper!
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 16, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
There's a female bus cleaner at the 934/5/6/7/997 bus stop in Lower Bull Street, she never cleans the Platinums (at least the several Platinums I was on) - she boards on the bus with a smile and tries to flirt and/or have a hearty chat with the drivers while they sign the paper to "confirm" she has actually cleaned the bus. She gets her paperwork back and gets off the bus.
You sound jealous you're not the one flirting with the drivers... ;-)
I think the X10 will be platinum
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 16, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
You sound jealous you're not the one flirting with the drivers... ;-)
Haha, noooo. ;) I can be very observant, as a deaf person my ears are dead so I rely on my eyes more. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 16, 2016, 09:33:24 PM
Haha, noooo. ;) I can be very observant, as a deaf person my ears are dead so I rely on my eyes more. :)
That's invasion of privacy and I shall be reporting you to the mayor! hahaha
Wonder if the 529 will retain its pink branding when converted into platinum?
Quote from: Chris on April 08, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Wonder if the 529 will retain its pink branding when converted into platinum?
All Platinum branding seems to be green, so I'd doubt it...
Quote from: clayderman on April 08, 2016, 12:16:05 PM
All Platinum branding seems to be green, so I'd doubt it...
More coincidental I think, previous 900/957 and Kingstanding branding was green. Granted why the X51/997 became green as well is beyond me.
Pink would look decent on the platinum I reckon
Quote from: Kevin on April 08, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
More coincidental I think, previous 900/957 and Kingstanding branding was green. Granted why the X51/997 became green as well is beyond me.
Pink would look decent on the platinum I reckon
Well the colours would fit together since the 529's current branding is pink and the past variation of the 126 branding was purple so would fit together very well.
Quote from: Kevin on April 08, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
More coincidental I think, previous 900/957 and Kingstanding branding was green. Granted why the X51/997 became green as well is beyond me.
Pink would look decent on the platinum I reckon
Quote from: Dom on April 08, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Well the colours would fit together since the 529's current branding is pink and the past variation of the 126 branding was purple so would fit together very well.
Suppose so, then. I mean, it would make sense (pink and purple, I mean) - and i'm sure it could be pulled off. But then also, you could argue that half of the branding on the X51/997 is red; which makes the speculation of a variation of colours more viable/reasonable. May have just contradicted myself, but I'm willing to see the outcome.
I've been thinking recently about the whole idea of Platinum routes. I thought originally it was going to be reserved for main road express routes, but with the recent announcement that the 529 and 126 are getting the upgrade then my logic had gone out of the window, so...
As a potential other route for upgrade in the future, how about the 5 (West Brom to Sutton)? A longer distance route with a lot of people using it for a fair distance in one journey. Would in one fell swoop replace a number of older buses. In a way it kind of competes against rail (I know lots of people for example in Great Barr who go all the way down the hill to Hamstead and travel by rail to Sutton)
Personally I wouldn't waste Platinum on the denizens of Kingstanding but they've already got the 93x routes so someone thinks differently there
Is the shortened 966 getting them ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 03, 2016, 07:44:41 PM
Is the shortened 966 getting them ?
Shortened 966? Wasn't the 966 getting shortened just a rumor?
I've been told apparently it's been confirmed that the 966 will be going Platinum in September. Can anyone confirm?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 24, 2016, 08:29:50 AM
I've been told apparently it's been confirmed that the 966 will be going Platinum in September. Can anyone confirm?
Yes, announced today, although obviously as it is in 'The East' and is a route that has not had new buses since 1986 that cannot possibly be true!
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
Yes, announced today, although obviously as it is in 'The East' and is a route that has not had new buses since 1986 that cannot possibly be true!
Good news ! It helps with having the buses serving Birmingham Airport looking good.
Imagine people coming into the country looking at a nicely specced Platinum Enviro400MMC, a refurbished crimson Trident and shoddy Plaxton :D
Tony, could you possibly comment on (Or possibly add an opinion) on whether all future Platinum vehicles will ADL Enviro400MMC or will other vehicles get the Specced up treatment ? I.e will we ever see a Platinum Streetdeck ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 24, 2016, 08:42:46 AM
Good news ! It helps with having the buses serving Birmingham Airport looking good.
Imagine people coming into the country looking at a nicely specced Platinum Enviro400MMC, a refurbished crimson Trident and shoddy Plaxton :D
Tony, could you possibly comment on (Or possibly add an opinion) on whether all future Platinum vehicles will ADL Enviro400MMC or will other vehicles get the Specced up treatment ? I.e will we ever see a Platinum Streetdeck ?
Sorry, but until orders are placed no-one knows, not even the directors!
Wtf.... Really? A route as convoluted as that getting Platinum? Unless it's getting rerouted to be more direct and a better frequency then what's the point?
Quote from: Kevin on June 24, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Wtf.... Really? A route as convoluted as that getting Platinum? Unless it's getting rerouted to be more direct and a better frequency then what's the point?
It has never been stated that only express/direct routes could be upgraded to Platinum.
The 900 operates every 30mins (albeit with the 900E short journeys every 30 mins also), as does the 966.
Quote from: Kevin on June 24, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Wtf.... Really? A route as convoluted as that getting Platinum? Unless it's getting rerouted to be more direct and a better frequency then what's the point?
So what about the 126? Or the 529?
Quote from: Dom on June 24, 2016, 05:50:05 PM
So what about the 126? Or the 529?
I think the point he's making is that it's quite a low profile and low frequency route that doesn't really serve a major corridor, compared to some of the other Platinum routes.
We know with the 126 and 529 that it won't just be limited stop routes.
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
Yes, announced today, although obviously as it is in 'The East' and is a route that has not had new buses since 1986 that cannot possibly be true!
That tickled me a bit ;D. I wonder if there's any true in this rumour about the 966 being curtailed as it would affect PVR
Quote from: Mike K on June 24, 2016, 05:59:58 PM
I think the point he's making is that it's quite a low profile and low frequency route that doesn't really serve a major corridor, compared to some of the other Platinum routes.
Exactly!! Ok it serves the airport but hell the route isn't exactly attractive to potential new passengers when it's using the quiet residential streets of Castle Bromwich instead of a more direct route along the Chester Road. To me it really does water the idea of the Platinum brand.
I dunno. People will disagree and think I'm stupid for thinking this. Whatever.
Quote from: Kevin on June 24, 2016, 06:47:01 PM
Exactly!! Ok it serves the airport but hell the route isn't exactly attractive to potential new passengers when it's using the quiet residential streets of Castle Bromwich instead of a more direct route along the Chester Road. To me it really does water the idea of the Platinum brand.
I dunno. People will disagree and think I'm stupid for thinking this. Whatever.
I thinks it's removing the whole idea of platinum routes. Too many now.
Why can't 126 have normal mmc? And 966? They are not limited stop
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 24, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
I thinks it's removing the whole idea of platinum routes. Too many now.
Why can't 126 have normal mmc? And 966? They are not limited stop
So you are effectively saying the 529 is more worthy of Platinums than the 126!?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 24, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
I thinks it's removing the whole idea of platinum routes. Too many now.
Why can't 126 have normal mmc? And 966? They are not limited stop
There's no criteria for allocation of platinum spec buses. I personally think it's great that the 966 is going platinum. I'll miss seeing Geminis on there though
We have been "what - ing this space" for ages and still, it has not updated.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-bus-update/
Quote from: Dom on June 24, 2016, 07:03:16 PM
So you are effectively saying the 529 is more worthy of Platinums than the 126!?
The 529 should just get cascaded e400
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 24, 2016, 07:30:34 PM
The 529 should just get cascaded e400
And why?
There are plenty of good reasons for the 529 to get new buses, which is why it has been chosen
I posted on here months ago that the 966 would be an ideal route to go Platinum
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 24, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
I posted on here months ago that the 966 would be an ideal route to go Platinum
You hit the jackpot :D Im just breathing a sigh of despair that AG will be getting potentially more ADL vehicles
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 24, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
You hit the jackpot :D Im just breathing a sigh of despair that AG will be getting potentially more ADL vehicles
I wish there was a prize!
Lets hope they have made improvements since the last batch of platinums!
Not really surprised by the 966 for the following reasons:-
It was part of the original Timesaver collective.
Birmingham A452 investment corridor plan ( council bunces)
nxwm are probably being given , "support" by the Airport & JLR
It's all political
This weeks staff business gives the other routes going Platinum
Other new Platinum buses will be coming later this year to:
Pensnett (for a new express route to Merry Hill)
Perry Barr (for several Sutton routes)
Birmingham Central (for a new Bristol Road express and new Coventry Road express)
Acocks Green (for a revamped 966)
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2016, 10:14:51 AM
This weeks staff business gives the other routes going Platinum
Other new Platinum buses will be coming later this year to:
Pensnett (for a new express route to Merry Hill)
Perry Barr (for several Sutton routes)
Birmingham Central (for a new Bristol Road express and new Coventry Road express)
Acocks Green (for a revamped 966)
I'm presuming the 'new express route to Merry Hill' is the X10, unless something else is in the pipeline?
And the 'new Coventry Road express' is the proposed 960, so this has been decided already then?
Bristol road express 961 or 963???????
Several Sutton routes? 902/4/5/7/14?
Quote from: Chris on July 01, 2016, 10:53:55 AM
Several Sutton routes? 902/4/5/7/14?
77 since it is moving to Perry Barr?
Quote from: Stu on July 01, 2016, 10:36:49 AM
I'm presuming the 'new express route to Merry Hill' is the X10, unless something else is in the pipeline?
And the 'new Coventry Road express' is the proposed 960, so this has been decided already then?
My thoughts exactly. Why bother pretending to consider the public's views when you've already allocated new deliveries to these "proposed" new services?
Quote from: Stu on July 01, 2016, 10:36:49 AM
I'm presuming the 'new express route to Merry Hill' is the X10, unless something else is in the pipeline?
And the 'new Coventry Road express' is the proposed 960, so this has been decided already then?
No. Extra fast buses are needed to cope with passenger numbers, if the 960 is rejected then extra buses will be put on another way, so BC still need these new buses
Quote from: Chris on July 01, 2016, 10:53:55 AM
Several Sutton routes? 902/4/5/7/14?
I would have thought the 902/4/5/14 definitely. Not too sure about the 907 though.
Quote from: Dom on July 01, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
77 since it is moving to Perry Barr?
77 isn't going on the Sutton rota. It's going with the 38.
The Bristol Rd has had its fair share of express routes over the recent years. 64, ,963, 964, 961, 949.
The trouble with the Bristol Rd, compared to say the 907 route for example is that the 907, previously 107 has plenty of underpasses and flyovers to make an express route work. The 904 etc use the expressway, again ideal (when its not congested!).
There's nothing like that on the Bristol Rd, so it will get stuck in the same traffic as the 61 and 63. And not stopping at stops it passes that the 61 and 63 use results in passenger arguements.
I've always thought the junction of Bristol St and Belgrave Rd would have been ideal for a flyover.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 01, 2016, 01:11:19 PM
77 isn't going on the Sutton rota. It's going with the 38.
It says 'several Sutton routes'. It Doesn't say Birmingham to Sutton routes though
Quote from: markcf83 on July 01, 2016, 12:43:28 PM
I would have thought the 902/4/5/14 definitely. Not too sure about the 907 though.
I really don't think the 907 will be included. I wonder if this will be the end of 907/914 late night interworking. The 914 deserves to go Platinum, I was slowly changing my views to think that we would get Platinum buses either this or next year, just something different from Enviro400 MMCs would be nice!
Quote from: John on July 01, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
It says 'several Sutton routes'. It Doesn't say Birmingham to Sutton routes though
I really don't think the 907 will be included. I wonder if this will be the end of 907/914 late night interworking. The 914 deserves to go Platinum, I was slowly changing my views to think that we would get Platinum buses either this or next year, just something different from Enviro400 MMCs would be nice!
I personally think that only the 902/4/5 should go Platinum as it helps compete directly with Arriva's 110.
I personally feel as though with the more routes going Platinum the more the uniqueness wears off.
Quote from: John on July 01, 2016, 01:24:04 PM
It says 'several Sutton routes'. It Doesn't say Birmingham to Sutton routes though
Which is where ny idea about the 77. With it getting spare platinums at WA, due to it moving to pb would be understandable if it does become platinum.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 01, 2016, 02:13:32 PM
I personally think that only the 902/4/5 should go Platinum as it helps compete directly with Arriva's 110.
I personally feel as though with the more routes going Platinum the more the uniqueness wears off.
Totally agree GeminiFan.
Still not convinced 'Platinum' feels right. Couldn't they have done 'Gold' routes, as this stands out far more. The Platinum colour is dull looking to me. And after all, gold is the most precious of metals.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on July 01, 2016, 02:29:52 PM
Totally agree GeminiFan.
Still not convinced 'Platinum' feels right. Couldn't they have done 'Gold' routes, as this stands out far more. The Platinum colour is dull looking to me. And after all, gold is the most precious of metals.
I actually get the Platinum status. Arriva have Sapphire, Stagecoach have Gold so National Express choosing Platinum seems good and logical.
I think the first round of Platinum routes were good and they made sense although I feel as though it's being somewhat milked. My only only wish is that I would love another vehicle type to get the Platinum treatment. I like the idea of a Platinum Gemini 3 at AG for the 966.
I think it's great to see the Bristol Rd finally getting some new buses as it is one of the main BC corridors yet still has their oldest buses on it. Maybe these Platinums will directly replace some Y reg tridents?
And I agree there with you GeminiFan, the first Platinum routes were good choices but now I think it's worn off a bit and there's going to be too many Platinum routes, I would prefer more gold routes
I disagree, I think there's plenty of room for more Platinum routes, they still make up just a small percentage of all the routes across the West Midlands. But any further Platinum routes should continue to be 'key' corridor routes; I think the 966 is a sensible choice, providing the north-south link from the Airport & NEC to Chelmsley Wood and Solihull, complementing the east-west link that the 900 provides between Birmingham and Coventry.
Quote from: Stu on July 01, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
I disagree, I think there's plenty of room for more Platinum routes, they still make up just a small percentage of all the routes across the West Midlands. But any further Platinum routes should continue to be 'key' corridor routes; I think the 966 is a sensible choice, providing the north-south link from the Airport & NEC to Chelmsley Wood and Solihull, complementing the east-west link that the 900 provides between Birmingham and Coventry.
Completely agree Stu. I think the routes that have been chosen are
key in one way or another, I.e. Express, high frequency, key links
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 01, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
Completely agree Stu. I think the routes that have been chosen are key in one way or another, I.e. Express, high frequency, key links
Do we think the 9 will go Platinum?
I would also consider the 4/H/M as a potential Platinum route, not happening this year, but perhaps within the next couple of years - it may not be an express route, but does provide a key link between Walsall, West Brom, Oldbury and Blackheath, as well as on to Halesowen and Merry Hill.
Quote from: Stu on July 01, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
I would also consider the 4/H/M as a potential Platinum route, not happening this year, but perhaps within the next couple of years - it may not be an express route, but does provide a key link between Walsall, West Brom, Oldbury and Blackheath, as well as on to Halesowen and Merry Hill.
With Platinum single deckers?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2016, 06:55:38 PM
With Platinum single deckers?
Of course, Arriva do single-deck Sapphire routes, so why not have Platinum-spec E200MMCs?
Is there not a reason if the 4 series of routes couldn't be double decker??? From my observations and using the route regularly it seems to get decent loadings, and from what I have seen of both the 4/4M (I have little use for the 4H beyond Blackheath) the route doesn't seem to pass under any low bridges. Just curious.
Quote from: danny on July 02, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Is there not a reason if the 4 series of routes couldn't be double decker??? From my observations and using the route regularly it seems to get decent loadings, and from what I have seen of both the 4/4M (I have little use for the 4H beyond Blackheath) the route doesn't seem to pass under any low bridges. Just curious.
No obvious reason not to. Boxing day service sees deckers on the 4
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 01, 2016, 02:40:14 PM
I like the idea of a Platinum Gemini 3 at AG for the 966.
As much as I agree with you, I doubt that'll happen. The E400 MMC are the same as the E200MMC cab wise and obviously many more parts will be the same. Introducing the E400 at AG is not quite the same as introducing a whole new vehicle make/model as its so similar.
It's a shame, couple years ago AG and WB were the only "anti ADL" garages.
Quote from: danny on July 02, 2016, 10:21:50 AM
Is there not a reason if the 4 series of routes couldn't be double decker??? From my observations and using the route regularly it seems to get decent loadings, and from what I have seen of both the 4/4M (I have little use for the 4H beyond Blackheath) the route doesn't seem to pass under any low bridges. Just curious.
Perhaps the frequency wouldn't be so high if it was regular deckers
Quote from: MW on July 02, 2016, 02:25:48 PM
As much as I agree with you, I doubt that'll happen. The E400 MMC are the same as the E200MMC cab wise and obviously many more parts will be the same. Introducing the E400 at AG is not quite the same as introducing a whole new vehicle make/model as its so similar.
It's a shame, couple years ago AG and WB were the only "anti ADL" garages.
WB has some some for many years, it had darts 3601-14 before it had 4950 upwards
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2016, 03:35:47 PM
WB has some some for many years, it had darts 3601-14 before it had 4950 upwards
Oh yeah I forgot about that. A better way to put it would be that AG/WB were the more Volvo based garages. The ALX400s, forgot about them too lol
Would like to see the Pink Branding (platinum styled) retained for the 529, return of the purple branding for the 126. X10 maybe yellow? Bristol Road could have red? And the Coventry Road express shade of green to match 957 and 900. What are people's verdict for the new Platinum's branding
Quote from: Chris on July 06, 2016, 09:58:44 PM
Would like to see the Pink Branding (platinum styled) retained for the 529, return of the purple branding for the 126. X10 maybe yellow? Bristol Road could have red? And the Coventry Road express shade of green to match 957 and 900. What are people's verdict for the new Platinum's branding
I think the colour of the branding should be considered very carefully, given the darker shades of black and grey used in the livery. It needs to be easy on the eye, so they may steer clear of brighter colours
I've said it ever since it was said that Platinums for the 126 and 529 I have said I'd love to see purple branding back on the 126, it'd need to be quite a dark shade of purple though, dark shade of pink as well.
Quote from: Chris on July 06, 2016, 09:58:44 PM
Would like to see the Pink Branding (platinum styled) retained for the 529, return of the purple branding for the 126. X10 maybe yellow? Bristol Road could have red? And the Coventry Road express shade of green to match 957 and 900. What are people's verdict for the new Platinum's branding
Was it not posted some time back that the plan was for all routes along key corridors to share the same branding colours (33, 93x and 997 are green, 35 and 50 are blue etc). So would that mean yet more green for the X10 and possibly the 126? I would assume the 529 will stay pink and the 960 will be green (again).
The Bristol Road used to be red but not many corridors have kept their original route branding colours.
Quote from: Mike K on July 06, 2016, 10:19:14 PM
Was it not posted some time back that the plan was for all routes along key corridors to share the same branding colours (33, 93x and 997 are green, 35 and 50 are blue etc). So would that mean yet more green for the X10 and possibly the 126? I would assume the 529 will stay pink and the 960 will be green (again).
The Bristol Road used to be red but not many corridors have kept their original route branding colours.
Nope, although it would've been nice to see the Pershore Road branded in that off-pale green again. Orange has never went well with red.
Is anyone else gobsmacked the Bristol is going platinum? Newer Enviros I suppose if you HAVE to spend money but a
Platinum? Those leatherette seats will be carved up on the first day. And you know for a fact that little emergency window poppers will be activated.
Very shocked even still.
Quote from: Dom on July 06, 2016, 10:05:14 PM
I've said it ever since it was said that Platinums for the 126 and 529 I have said I'd love to see purple branding back on the 126, it'd need to be quite a dark shade of purple though, dark shade of pink as well.
the 71/72 shade of purple branding or even darker than that
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 07, 2016, 10:59:38 AM
the 71/72 shade of purple branding or even darker than that
@Squiz1971 A little bit darker. I'll make a mock up at some point and put in on my flickr.
Quote from: Dom on July 07, 2016, 11:15:09 AM
@Squiz1971 A little bit darker. I'll make a mock up at some point and put in on my flickr.
As the original 126 branding was more like a lilac than a purple (metrobus or Trident)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 07, 2016, 02:21:56 AM
Nope, although it would've been nice to see the Pershore Road branded in that off-pale green again. Orange has never went well with red.
Is anyone else gobsmacked the Bristol is going platinum? Newer Enviros I suppose if you HAVE to spend money but a
Platinum? Those leatherette seats will be carved up on the first day. And you know for a fact that little emergency window poppers will be activated.
Very shocked even still.
A bit of an exaggeration. The Bristol Rd has had 4940 etc from when they were brand new. And also the twilight 63 is always an Enviro. Also had 4355 etc brand new and don't recall anything bad happening.
Anyhow, from what I can gather is that there will be one Bristol Rd express route (maybe similar to 964). And it is this route that will be Platinum. Leaving the 61 and 63 to run along side. I maybe wrong though.
I still dont think the Bristol Rd is suitable for an express route, it's been tried before. Take the 907, 934, 935, 936, 937, 997 X51 for example, they make full use of the long bus lane in Newtown, then an underpass at 6 ways, a flyover by Trinity Rd, underpass at Perry Barr, flyover by UCE.
That's 2 underpasses and 2 flyovers. The Bristol Rd doesnt have any! The express route would be taking the same route as the 61 and 63 and be stuck in the same traffic.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on July 07, 2016, 12:01:10 PM
A bit of an exaggeration. The Bristol Rd has had 4940 etc from when they were brand new. And also the twilight 63 is always an Enviro. Also had 4355 etc brand new and don't recall anything bad happening.
Anyhow, from what I can gather is that there will be one Bristol Rd express route (maybe similar to 964). And it is this route that will be Platinum. Leaving the 61 and 63 to run along side. I maybe wrong though.
I still dont think the Bristol Rd is suitable for an express route, it's been tried before. Take the 907, 934, 935, 936, 937, 997 X51 for example, they make full use of the long bus lane in Newtown, then an underpass at 6 ways, a flyover by Trinity Rd, underpass at Perry Barr, flyover by UCE.
That's 2 underpasses and 2 flyovers. The Bristol Rd doesnt have any! The express route would be taking the same route as the 61 and 63 and be stuck in the same traffic.
They could also re-instate the old 963 to Gannow via Rubery etc as well. Any express service could take the Northfield By-Pass which may make some time up it might not save much but there is that option to take into account
@Bham Central Driver
True Squiz, but by using Northfield bypass it is missing out the main shopping area, and I dont think the council would want buses stopping on the bypass...
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on July 07, 2016, 12:45:59 PM
True Squiz, but by using Northfield bypass it is missing out the main shopping area, and I dont think the council would want buses stopping on the bypass...
They could stop by Sainsbury's/Black Horse Pub & by the Bell Pub is it in & outbound then people can walk to Northfield High Street (Bristol Road) though the OAP's may struggle with that I guess
Anyone who gets a chance to look at Coach & Bus week this week there is a picture of 6761 under construction on page 18
Just had a look and does it have different rims
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 09, 2016, 08:52:20 PM
Just had a look and does it have different rims
It tells you it does in the photo caption!
Quote from: Tony on July 09, 2016, 08:58:29 PM
It tells you it does in the photo caption!
I haven't got the magazine so will these "rims" be used in service?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 10, 2016, 02:51:15 AM
I haven't got the magazine so will these "rims" be used in service?
Yes, they're having alloy wheels
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2016, 09:34:53 AM
Yes, they're having alloy wheels
They should look quite effective against the darker exterior Platinum livery.
Platinum colours are too dissimilar to Kings Ferry latest VIP colours
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2016, 09:34:53 AM
Yes, they're having alloy wheels
Any special cleaning arrangements for these
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 10, 2016, 11:08:10 AM
Any special cleaning arrangements for these
Yep, make sure they stay clean ;D
I also believe that much more frequent and regular checks will be carried out to ensure that the alloys are not suffering any structural damage from the pot holed roads... That is however just a rumour I have been hearing.
I can just see the cleaners polishing the alloys and keeping them looking mint
Quote from: mranon on July 10, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
I can just see the cleaners polishing the alloys and keeping them looking mint
Have a look at the current fleet, you will notice a lot of vehicles now having the wheels kept clean
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2016, 06:14:02 PM
Have a look at the current fleet, you will notice a lot of vehicles now having the wheels kept clean
Makes a massive difference
The only reason they black is from months of shit on them
New wheel nut indicators and the hub painted black really sets that apart
One for Tony to answer if he knows. When the next Platinum buses start to arrive,are they going to be numbered from 6759 upwards or not?
Quote from: markcf83 on July 12, 2016, 09:34:01 PM
One for Tony to answer if he knows. When the next Platinum buses start to arrive,are they going to be numbered from 6759 upwards or not?
Fleet numbers are already on the fleetlist (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html), along with the registrations on some of them
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 10, 2016, 07:40:07 PM
Makes a massive difference
The only reason they black is from months of shit on them
New wheel nut indicators and the hub painted black really sets that apart
to be honest there should be no reason for filthy wheels. it makes it harder to spot defects plus appearances. the quality of the current repaints look really good, so clean wheels and minor bumps repaired in correct colour will definitely improve the image
Quote from: Sayeed on July 12, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Fleet numbers are already on the fleetlist (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html), along with the registrations on some of them
I hadn't looked there. Therefore I will do. Thanks very much.
Clean wheels
I notice now when we take buses back to garage at west brom whilst refuelling and if it's a wash day the slaves spray a solution on the wheels before the bus enters the wash.
11:40 Platinum from Coventry to Birmingham cancelled despite only being 5 minutes late!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/26F6kT
Quote from: JoNi on July 20, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
11:40 Platinum from Coventry to Birmingham cancelled despite only being 5 minutes late!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/26F6kT
How do you know there wasn't a defect?
BU07 LGO when I get a reply from the complaint I made I'll be in a position to update you.
All bus stop flags on the 529 are now white on black style.
529 going Platinum then.
So they can smoke their weed in comfort (allegedly!)
This mornings Platinum experience on 900 better than yesterday. Punctual, polite driver, lovely cool interior threadbare seathttps://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/iC9hq1
...and the offer of free sex...
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/h62X1P
Quote from: JoNi on July 21, 2016, 01:41:32 PM
This mornings Platinum experience on 900 better than yesterday. Punctual, polite driver, lovely cool interior threadbare seathttps://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/iC9hq1
...and the offer of free sex...
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/h62X1P
Makes you wonder why NE actually bother buying high quality buses when all people do is abuse them.
Tbh I think that Platinum routes should have a premium fare structure, where if you want to travel on the best buses, you pay a flat rate, eg: £4 and those with travelcards etc should have to pay an excess.
Quote from: JoNi on July 21, 2016, 01:41:32 PM
This mornings Platinum experience on 900 better than yesterday. Punctual, polite driver, lovely cool interior threadbare seathttps://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/iC9hq1
...and the offer of free sex...
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/h62X1P
maybe it's a platinum service on offer give it a call
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Makes you wonder why NE actually bother buying high quality buses when all people do is abuse them.
Tbh I think that Platinum routes should have a premium fare structure, where if you want to travel on the best buses, you pay a flat rate, eg: £4 and those with travelcards etc should have to pay an excess.
So who do I see about a refund when a 957 is operated by a standard E400 when there's a platinum off the road?
Quote from: karl724223 on July 21, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
maybe it's a platinum service on offer give it a call
More likely that would be on a Penisnett service, surely?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Makes you wonder why NE actually bother buying high quality buses when all people do is abuse them.
Tbh I think that Platinum routes should have a premium fare structure, where if you want to travel on the best buses, you pay a flat rate, eg: £4 and those with travelcards etc should have to pay an excess.
That will then reduce passenger usage.... :-\ the whole idea of Platinum is to
appeal to new and existing users not to differentiate the rich from the poor.....
Personally I think we should all be proud that NX are still investing in the fleet and trying to add value where possible.
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
So who do I see about a refund when a 957 is operated by a standard E400 when there's a platinum off the road?
If a non Platinum vehicle operates on the service, then normal fares are charged and no excess fares for travelcards etc.
Quote from: Gareth on July 21, 2016, 02:29:49 PM
So who do I see about a refund when a 957 is operated by a standard E400 when there's a platinum off the road?
email customer care with your complaint asking for a refund see what happens
My opinion isn't a bus better then no bus just my opinion
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 21, 2016, 02:32:24 PM
More likely that would be on a Penisnett service, surely?
not really snetters don't travel that far because of the asbo tags on there ankles they have to be home for 1900
Quote from: JoNi on July 21, 2016, 01:41:32 PM
This mornings Platinum experience on 900 better than yesterday. Punctual, polite driver, lovely cool interior threadbare seathttps://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/iC9hq1
...and the offer of free sex...
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/h62X1P
Could you please post what that phone number is? I can only read the first part of it from that photo.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Makes you wonder why NE actually bother buying high quality buses when all people do is abuse them.
Tbh I think that Platinum routes should have a premium fare structure, where if you want to travel on the best buses, you pay a flat rate, eg: £4 and those with travelcards etc should have to pay an excess.
I'm not sure who in their right frame of mind would pay a premium to travel on a bus with more legroom and wifi. 4G these days is fine for most people's purposes and the legroom is not likely to be a deal breaker. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept of Platinum is a good idea but you wouldn't expect people in a pub for example to pay more for their drinks if they sit on a sofa than if they sit on a barstool. They're still paying for the same end product or service.
Quote from: Mike K on July 21, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
I'm not sure who in their right frame of mind would pay a premium to travel on a bus with more legroom and wifi. 4G these days is fine for most people's purposes and the legroom is not likely to be a deal breaker. Don't get me wrong, I think the concept of Platinum is a good idea but you wouldn't expect people in a pub for example to pay more for their drinks if they sit on a sofa than if they sit on a barstool. They're still paying for the same end product or service.
But couldn't you say that about a train, you travel 1st class on a London Midland service from Birmingham to London, you get a nicer seat in a quieter carriage (usually) but you are on the same train as everybody in standard class.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2016, 02:57:53 PM
But couldn't you say that about a train, you travel 1st class on a London Midland service from Birmingham to London, you get a nicer seat in a quieter carriage (usually) but you are on the same train as everybody in standard class.
but the riff raff is not in your carriage
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 21, 2016, 02:57:53 PM
But couldn't you say that about a train, you travel 1st class on a London Midland service from Birmingham to London, you get a nicer seat in a quieter carriage (usually) but you are on the same train as everybody in standard class.
But you have a choice. With Platinum it isn't always the case that you can take a standard bus instead. And let's face it the 'upgrades'' on Platinum and the relatively short time your average person travels on a bus means that they won't be willing to pay extra for a few minutes wifi and a bit of leather on their seats. It would never work.
Quote from: karl724223 on July 21, 2016, 02:36:57 PM
not really snetters don't travel that far because of the asbo tags on there ankles they have to be home for 1900
You DID notice my spelling of PN, I trust? ;)
I do not get back to the West Midlands very often, am getting old, and have health problems :'( . I feel a lot of discomfort when travelling.
Last time I was here, a journey on a Trident (route 529) was immediately followed by a Platinum MMC (X51). Having memories of the Walsall to Birmingham Timesavers, I was looking forward to it. Though I noted the extra legroom of the Platinum, I did not like the seat. The cushion was too firm and the seat back was too upright and not supportive. When demands were made on the suspension, far too many hard bumps came through to the occupants. Rather than considering it a premium service, I was glad to be off the vehicle. Even the livery is, I feel, less classy looking than the crimson.
My next two buses were a crimson MMC and 3301. I found the seats on all three of the other vehicles more comfortable than the Platinum, (softer cushion, dished supportive seat backs), and the suspension on 3301 far superior to the others; indeed it was nearly as good as I remember the B7TL/Plaxtons when they were new. The only "premium" feature I see in the X51 is the faster running time.
I appreciate that many aspects of bus travel are subjective to an enthusiast, but not to my joints and myalgia! Some of my views on buses past and present would surprise many, but to me, Platinum is all image and no substance, and is certainly not worth a premium fare.
6720 currntly parked on Bus Stop J at Stourbridge Bus station.
Bit odd as no Stourbridge services are getting Platinum?
Off NXWM's Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1235559879822377/?type=3&theater
Popped over to Meriden this afternoon on the 900, actually the furthest I've been on the route since it was upgraded to Platinum!
A certain someone elsewhere often complains about how 'slow' and 'sluggish' the E400MMC Platinums are, but I would tend to disagree; under the right circumstances (ie less traffic and late running!) they really do shift, especially along the long stretches of the A45 without stops, my return bus did Meriden Green to the Airport in 10mins, must have easily been doing 50mph.
Quote from: Stu on August 20, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
Popped over to Meriden this afternoon on the 900, actually the furthest I've been on the route since it was upgraded to Platinum!
A certain someone elsewhere often complains about how 'slow' and 'sluggish' the E400MMC Platinums are, but I would tend to disagree; under the right circumstances (ie less traffic and late running!) they really do shift, especially along the long stretches of the A45 without stops, my return bus did Meriden Green to the Airport in 10mins, must have easily been doing 50mph.
Come on, 50mph is nothing. I've done that on the 37 route lol
Quote from: MW on August 20, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Come on, 50mph is nothing. I've done that on the 37 route lol
Traffic Office: Exactly when !
I remember being in a car doing 50mph and a Trident kept up with us so much so we couldn't pull into the Bus Lane to come off the dual carriageway
Quote from: MW on August 20, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Come on, 50mph is nothing. I've done that on the 37 route lol
Just before coming into Solihull? The e200 mmc are very fast.
Quote from: MW on August 20, 2016, 07:46:21 PM
Come on, 50mph is nothing. I've done that on the 37 route lol
Our 200MMC's are slow compared to some other companies examples.
The 400MMC's as Stu says. Right place, right time, buffeting!
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 20, 2016, 08:22:10 PM
Traffic Office: Exactly when !
I remember being in a car doing 50mph and a Trident kept up with us so much so we couldn't pull into the Bus Lane to come off the dual carriageway
I had a similar situation when I was doing 40 and a Trident was overtaking quite quickly.
Quote from: Stu on August 20, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
Popped over to Meriden this afternoon on the 900, actually the furthest I've been on the route since it was upgraded to Platinum!
A certain someone elsewhere often complains about how 'slow' and 'sluggish' the E400MMC Platinums are, but I would tend to disagree; under the right circumstances (ie less traffic and late running!) they really do shift, especially along the long stretches of the A45 without stops, my return bus did Meriden Green to the Airport in 10mins, must have easily been doing 50mph.
They're fine once moving but pull off is very slow! Especially onto a busy island the only way is to rev with handbrake and use it for a boost!
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure I read somewhere on this forum or somewhere else on the net that the E400 MMC that is used for the 900 are limited to 62mph for the long stretch of the Coventry road between Meriden and coventry? Although I do remember being on 6704 going along the perimeter road of the airport easily doing 55mph looking at the speedo from the seat over the front axle by the door
Quote from: dw1308 on August 21, 2016, 02:13:34 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure I read somewhere on this forum or somewhere else on the net that the E400 MMC that is used for the 900 are limited to 62mph for the long stretch of the Coventry road between Meriden and coventry? Although I do remember being on 6704 going along the perimeter road of the airport easily doing 55mph looking at the speedo from the seat over the front axle by the door
Yeah as far as I'm aware, the Platinum ones are limited to 62, whilst the normal ones aren't. Normal ones are around 44 I'd imagine
From what I can gather the Platinums at my garage have a tv screen in the cab that can be switched from upper saloon view to showing the outside of the bus. That is all well and good, but why oh why dont bus manufacturers ever ask drivers what they would like to see on their buses. For example a tv screen focused on the upstairs back seat rather than the side of the vehicle.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 03, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
From what I can gather the Platinums at my garage have a tv screen in the cab that can be switched from upper saloon view to showing the outside of the bus. That is all well and good, but why oh why dont bus manufacturers ever ask drivers what they would like to see on their buses. For example a tv screen focused on the upstairs back seat rather than the side of the vehicle.
The AG ones have that. You've got to keep the button pressed to see the sides of the bus. Never used it, don't think anyone has lol. A reversing camera would be more useful in garage
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 03, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
From what I can gather the Platinums at my garage have a tv screen in the cab that can be switched from upper saloon view to showing the outside of the bus. That is all well and good, but why oh why dont bus manufacturers ever ask drivers what they would like to see on their buses. For example a tv screen focused on the upstairs back seat rather than the side of the vehicle.
@Bham Central Driver Exactly - they probably haven't done that option as it involves too much commonsense ;)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=welcome-to-platinum&utm_medium=image
I know it's been mentioned on the forum that the new WN Platinums has USB power points for passengers; I'd hate to be 'that guy' but is there even a slight possibility that we could see them implemented into the older Platinums?
I'd assume that it's highly unlikely; I wouldn't want to instigate an argument about which route is the best - but surely the 900 would recieve high admirailty to its international passengers to and from Birmingham Airport (first impressions) - as well as persuade the locals to ditch their cars for the bus once in a while.
I could understand cost, and I realise this entire post must make me sound ungrateful and biased, but I suppose you could call it wishful thinking. :)
Quote from: clayderman on September 04, 2016, 02:09:26 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=welcome-to-platinum&utm_medium=image
I know it's been mentioned on the forum that the new WN Platinums has USB power points for passengers; I'd hate to be 'that guy' but is there even a slight possibility that we could see them implemented into the older Platinums?
I'd assume that it's highly unlikely; I wouldn't want to instigate an argument about which route is the best - but surely the 900 would recieve high admirailty to its international passengers to and from Birmingham Airport (first impressions) - as well as persuade the locals to ditch their cars for the bus once in a while.
I could understand cost, and I realise this entire post must make me sound ungrateful and biased, but I suppose you could call it wishful thinking. :)
The 900 will get them later in the year anyway, as it has been said that no garage will have both types of Platinum, so when BC gets their new buses for the BR Express they will get more for ther 900 and 957 and the current 6701-6718 will get moved away.
Quote from: Dom on September 04, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
The 900 will get them later in the year anyway, as it has been said that no garage will have both types of Platinum, so when BC gets their new buses for the BR Express they will get more for ther 900 and 957 and the current 6701-6718 will get moved away.
Plus the 960 if/when it happens.
Quote from: 2206 on September 04, 2016, 02:58:51 PM
Plus the 960 if/when it happens.
yeah, that is the BR Express I mentioned!
Quote from: Dom on September 04, 2016, 03:04:09 PM
yeah, that is the BR Express I mentioned!
No its not. The 960 is the proposeed express replacement for the 60.
Quote from: 2206 on September 04, 2016, 03:06:39 PM
No its not. The 960 is the proposeed express replacement for the 60.
Oh is it? My apologies then.
Quote from: NX West Midlands
This feature is in addition to what is already in place on over 100 existing Platinum vehicles on our route
(from link posted by
@clayderman )
Wasn't aware there was already in excess of 100 Platinums...
Quote from: Dom on September 04, 2016, 02:12:05 PM
The 900 will get them later in the year anyway, as it has been said that no garage will have both types of Platinum, so when BC gets their new buses for the BR Express they will get more for ther 900 and 957 and the current 6701-6718 will get moved away.
From everything I've heard at BC garage (and I know it's just drivers and engineers talk), the BR express has been shelved.
That is a shame, the recent X62/X64 never really had a fair chance, in my opinion, with the Town Hall terminus.
Off subject slightly, but with the pending implementation of these on the Bristol Road does any one have any inclination as to what is happening to the current routes or if these these (including the X64) will remain the same?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 03, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
From what I can gather the Platinums at my garage have a tv screen in the cab that can be switched from upper saloon view to showing the outside of the bus. That is all well and good, but why oh why dont bus manufacturers ever ask drivers what they would like to see on their buses. For example a tv screen focused on the upstairs back seat rather than the side of the vehicle.
I think this idea of a screen inside the cab is a good idea. It could potentially have multiple functionalities such as an inbuilt satnav, camera views, bus status and so on although if something happened to the system it could debilitate the overall bus.
I agree with a earlier post there should be a camera on the one place a driver can't see the back of the bus
I saw a discussion on Facebook earlier regarding platinum drivers and how they aren't allowed to wear their hi viz when driving because it lowers the high quality of 'Platinum' so what are drivers who aren't on a platinum route rota and get overtime on a platinum route meant to do as they wouldn't have the tie or the jacket.
The notion all Platinum drivers wear jackets/suits call them what you will fails to reflect reality. Indeed the 900 I'm on now is being well driven by someone wearing a fleece and which is a regular sight.
Judging by a notice I have seen on the 255 earlier. 126 branding to be green? Surely NX are bored of the 50 shades of green? Would of thought purple would of been better
Quote from: Chris on September 05, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
Judging by a notice I have seen on the 255 earlier. 126 branding to be green? Surely NX are bored of the 50 shades of green? Would of thought purple would of been better
9 (Hagley Road) branding is green, probably to keep consistent along that corridor
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2016, 05:42:49 PM
9 (Hagley Road) branding is green, probably to keep consistent along that corridor
I understand to keep with the corriders but the 93*s and X51/997E have green too (the numbers in the circles) and 900/957also it's a bit boring. I know it's a colour at the end of the day but the 529 retained its pink branding I feel the different colours gives the route it's identity.
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2016, 05:42:49 PM
9 (Hagley Road) branding is green, probably to keep consistent along that corridor
I thought because it is a city route, and all the other current city platinum routes have green branding that it may be green, but after seeing the 126 stand in Wolverhampton it had a red roundel with 126 on it.
Quote from: Dom on September 05, 2016, 05:55:42 PM
I thought because it is a city route, and all the other current city platinum routes have green branding that it may be green, but after seeing the 126 stand in Wolverhampton it had a red roundel with 126 on it.
The 529 stand is the same though. Branding isn't red though.
Quote from: Chris on September 05, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
Judging by a notice I have seen on the 255 earlier. 126 branding to be green? Surely NX are bored of the 50 shades of green? Would of thought purple would of been better
Given this policy of keeping everything along a common corridor in the same colour (albeit different shades) it does seem that it will be more green branding. The 9 used to be purple too, a much smarter colour than the hi-viz green of today.
Assume the 960 will also be green when it's introduced, in keeping with the 900 and 957.
I'm having trouble getting onto the free WiFi for some reason. It used to be fine.
I wonder if nx might retrofit (if that's the word) existing buses to make the platinum brand single dockers aswell like arriva have done with sapphire?
I think the uniqueness of platinum is being ruined, I thought they were for express routes. Any old route is getting them now.
I don't really like them either, diamond royales far more comfortable, and I don't recognise the legroom and i have something called 4G??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:16:54 PM
I think the uniqueness of platinum is being ruined, I thought they were for express routes. Any old route is getting them now.
I don't really like them either, diamond royales far more comfortable, and I don't recognise the legroom and i have something called 4G??
Why should they only be for express/limited stop routes? Plus why do they have to be unique?
Quote from: 2206 on September 06, 2016, 06:19:02 PM
Why should they only be for express/limited stop routes? Plus why do they have to be unique?
How much are platinum spec mmcs compared to normal e400mmc?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:16:54 PM
I think the uniqueness of platinum is being ruined, I thought they were for express routes. Any old route is getting them now.
I don't really like them either, diamond royales far more comfortable, and I don't recognise the legroom and i have something called 4G??
Diamond royals are comfortable?? Sellotaped seats where vandals have cut them? I slide on the seats and it's a nightmare in the summer when the leather burns you? 4G wow... drains your data and you get FREE WiF on a platinum which could of charged for and usb power, prefer to use free WiFi when I can and save on data.
@Trident 4194 I have feeling your just anti national express, hate any vehicle they buy especially the E200s. Royal doesn't exist anymore it's just a diamond with leather seats...
Diamond have got some decent vehicles but they chop and change what the buses look like so you get a multi coloured fleet. That red eclipse urban they have is still red after how many months moving from redditch to tividale?
They could in fairness do a signature brand again they just need to focus on a route eg 16
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:16:54 PM
I think the uniqueness of platinum is being ruined, I thought they were for express routes. Any old route is getting them now.
I don't really like them either, diamond royales far more comfortable, and I don't recognise the legroom and i have something called 4G??
What do you mean by not recognising the leg room
Quote from: Chris on September 06, 2016, 06:27:20 PM
Diamond royals are comfortable?? Sellotaped seats where vandals have cut them? I slide on the seats and it's a nightmare in the summer when the leather burns you? 4G wow... drains your data and you get FREE WiF on a platinum which could of charged for and usb power, prefer to use free WiFi when I can and save on data. @Trident 4194 I have feeling your just anti national express, hate any vehicle they buy especially the E200s. Royal doesn't exist anymore it's just a diamond with leather seats...
Diamond have got some decent vehicles but they chop and change what the buses look like so you get a multi coloured fleet. That red eclipse urban they have is still red after how many months moving from redditch to tividale?
They could in fairness do a signature brand again they just need to focus on a route eg 16
I like nx b7rle and just wish that there were more of them, but in 2018 there should be some more. So bring on 2018!! Why didn't nx have full leather seats. I usually sit at the back of the platinum and there is no leather whatsoever there.
I agree that diamond could improve in certain areas, eg there buses can't go up any incline but the e200s are a pathetic excuse for a bus and obviously quite cheap to buy.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:33:48 PM
I like nx b7rle and just wish that there were more of them, but in 2018 there should be some more. So bring on 2018!! Why didn't nx have full leather seats. I usually sit at the back of the platinum and there is no leather whatsoever there.
A bit difficult as the B7RLE went out of production a couple of years ago!
I don't like full leather seats. They are slippy, make you sweat in summer and are cold in winter. I have just driven an E200MMC for two spells of 2 hours with leather drivers seat and ended up with a soaking wet shirt
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:33:48 PM
I like nx b7rle and just wish that there were more of them, but in 2018 there should be some more. So bring on 2018!! Why didn't nx have full leather seats. I usually sit at the back of the platinum and there is no leather whatsoever there.
I agree that diamond could improve in certain areas, eg there buses can't go up any incline but the e200s are a pathetic excuse for a bus and obviously quite cheap to buy.
Doubt nx will get many new single deckers as the youngest are the 56 plate b7rles. They are starting to replace presidents and next year probably start on the oldest tridents Y-reg
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 06, 2016, 06:33:48 PM
I like nx b7rle and just wish that there were more of them, but in 2018 there should be some more. So bring on 2018!! Why didn't nx have full leather seats. I usually sit at the back of the platinum and there is no leather whatsoever there.
What in the name of all that is legal are you smoking!? More B7RLE's in 2018? 2017's order won't of even be decided yet so how do you, mystic meg, know that more B7RLE's are coming in 2018?
Why didn't NX go for full leather? Probably because they didn't want them damaged and sliced open by the yobbos that catch them!If you want the leather there's an easy solution, don't sit at the back!
You don't 'recognise the leg room' unless you're 4ft tall I don't get how you can't! There is an obvious difference in leg room between standard vehicles and Platinums vehicles leg room.
I (and it appears many others) really can't understand any of the points in your NX slating spree.
Since I moved up to South Yardley a few months, I've become a regular on the Platinum 900/957 services.
Going from a Platinum bus onto any other type of NX bus, I really notice the difference now. The interiors of the Platinums are sleek and modern, while any other bus seems cramped, grubby and jaded.
No problem with the leg room either, so I don't know what you're complaining about, unless you're 7ft tall, in which case any bus is going to be uncomfortable!
And as for the Wi-Fi, I don't really use it myself, but while it has limitations remember one thing, IT'S FREE, and everyone else using it is sharing the same connection, which is a mobile broadband connection itself, so don't expect super-fast speeds like you get at home.
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2016, 06:37:24 PM
A bit difficult as the B7RLE went out of production a couple of years ago!
I don't like full leather seats. They are slippy, make you sweat in summer and are cold in winter. I have just driven an E200MMC for two spells of 2 hours with leather drivers seat and ended up with a soaking wet shirt
That's what the metro newspaper is for lol
Quote from: Dom on September 06, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
What in the name of all that is legal are you smoking!? More B7RLE's in 2018? 2017's order won't of even be decided yet so how do you, mystic meg, know that more B7RLE's are coming in 2018?
Why didn't NX go for full leather? Probably because they didn't want them damaged and sliced open by the yobbos that catch them!If you want the leather there's an easy solution, don't sit at the back!
You don't 'recognise the leg room' unless you're 4ft tall I don't get how you can't! There is an obvious difference in leg room between standard vehicles and Platinums vehicles leg room.
I (and it appears many others) really can't understand any of the points in your NX slating spree.
just think some village has lost its idiot if they have try Halesowen
Confirmation in latest Bus & Coach buyer:
BC is due 34 new Platinum's, it's current 18 existing Platinum's (6701-18) will be split between AG (8), PN (9) & WA (1)
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2016, 10:20:54 AM
Confirmation in latest Bus & Coach buyer:
BC is due 34 new Platinum's, it's current 18 existing Platinum's (6701-18) will be split between AG (8), PN (9) & WA (1)
Why one to Walsall? Unless it is one of the tachograph Platinums?
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 07, 2016, 10:50:28 AM
Why one to Walsall? Unless it is one of the tachograph Platinums?
Oh great. Being from a different factory does that mean we will get all excited and its movements will be documented in minute detail? '6718 on the 997. Mega rare!!!' '6718 is on the 935 it sounds different!!!' '6718 isn't built as well as the other Walsall platinums. It's a nail!!!'
Quote from: Gareth on September 07, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
Oh great. Being from a different factory does that mean we will get all excited and its movements will be documented in minute detail? '6718 on the 997. Mega rare!!!' '6718 is on the 935 it sounds different!!!' '6718 isn't built as well as the other Walsall platinums. It's a nail!!!'
More than likely
@Gareth as some people feel that way about different bus makes but it is something we have to deal with I'm afraid mate
Quote from: Gareth on September 07, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
Oh great. Being from a different factory does that mean we will get all excited and its movements will be documented in minute detail? '6718 on the 997. Mega rare!!!' '6718 is on the 935 it sounds different!!!' '6718 isn't built as well as the other Walsall platinums. It's a nail!!!'
Be quiet. I am curious, not excited.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 07, 2016, 10:50:28 AM
Why one to Walsall? Unless it is one of the tachograph Platinums?
Increased Pvr on the 937
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 07, 2016, 11:54:12 AM
Be quiet. I am curious, not excited.
'Be quiet'?! Pardon? Well that's not rude at all is it?
Am I hallucinating or wasn't WA due extra Platinums due to the X51 frequency increase ?
So BC is gaining 16 Platinums?
If roughly 5 of them are for the 960, 2 of them to replace 4870/71 as back ups that leaves 9. Bristol Road Express?
6738 in Stourbridge earlier
Quote from: MW on September 07, 2016, 03:58:37 PM
So BC is gaining 16 Platinums?
If roughly 5 of them are for the 960, 2 of them to replace 4870/71 as back ups that leaves 9. Bristol Road Express?
Lets not forget the 900 frequency increase, with someone mentioning on here that the BR has been shelved I'm thinking the remainder could be spares.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 07, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
Lets not forget the 900 frequency increase, with someone mentioning on here that the BR has been shelved I'm thinking the remainder could be spares.
9 buses = over £2,000,000, spares, really, over £2m of assets just in case?
Thought 900E was withdrawn and 900 every 20 mins?
The East Birmingham/North Solihull changes have not yet been confirmed, but Tony did state here elsewhere that even if the 960 doesn't go ahead, there will be more Platinums along the Coventry Road, so as well as the proposed frequency increase of the 900, no doubt we might see a frequency increase on the 957 also if the 960 is abandoned?
Quote from: Chris on September 07, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
Thought 900E was withdrawn and 900 every 20 mins?
If the proposed changes happened the Coventry to Airport section would have a frequency increase from every 30 minutes to every 20 minutes.
Wonder why Platinums keep showing up at Stourbridge!
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 07, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
......with someone mentioning on here that the BR has been shelved I'm thinking the remainder could be spares.
I recall certain people moaning about it but not that it had been shelved!! I would have thought the BR would a similar level to the X10 - and if the 960 happens it would simply add to the frequency of Platinum along the A45 corridor between the City and Sheldon (Sheaf Lane) - so only a handful? Pure conjecture of course!!
I also thought WA was intended to have 5 more - if so 9 for the X10 and 4 for AG (966) - could the number shown for WA in the article be a misprint?!!
Quote from: don on September 07, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
I recall certain people moaning about it but not that it had been shelved!! I would have thought the BR would a similar level to the X10 - and if the 960 happens it would simply add to the frequency of Platinum along the A45 corridor between the City and Sheldon (Sheaf Lane) - so only a handful? Pure conjecture of course!!
I also thought WA was intended to have 5 more - if so 9 for the X10 and 4 for AG (966) - could the number shown for WA in the article be a misprint?!!
966 PVR is 6. I'd have thought AG get at least 7 of them. It'll probably be 7 for AG, 10 for PE and 1 for WA.
Quote from: MW on September 07, 2016, 11:25:49 PM
966 PVR is 6. I'd have thought AG get at least 7 of them. It'll probably be 7 for AG, 10 for PE and 1 for WA.
Platinum Article here:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
Platinum Article here:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
Interesting, it also mentions the Sutton Express services going Platinum as well.
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
Platinum Article here:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
Ah okay, 8 for AG then. That'll mean we'll see some rare workings. Maybe one on the 11 !
I did programme 6148's destination for the 11A last year, looked interesting to say the least.
Interesting that they're 3 speed Voith, as oppose to the 4 speed voith E200MMCs
Quote from: MW on September 08, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Ah okay, 8 for AG then. That'll mean we'll see some rare workings. Maybe one on the 11 !
I did programme 6148's destination for the 11A last year, looked interesting to say the least.
Interesting that they're 3 speed Voith, as oppose to the 4 speed voith E200MMCs
I'd already confirmed quantities earlier from the article.
My guess of allocations would be:
6701-8 to AG (AG seem to do some private hires & sometimes have to borrow YW tacho fitted MMC's)
6709-17 to PN
6718 to WA
Quote from: Winston on September 08, 2016, 12:12:53 AM
I'd already confirmed quantities earlier from the article.
My guess of allocations would be:
6701-8 to AG (AG seem to do some private hires & sometimes have to borrow YW tacho fitted MMC's)
6709-17 to PN
6718 to WA
That would make sense.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 07, 2016, 10:56:17 PM
Wonder why Platinums keep showing up at Stourbridge!
Mobility scooter training
I would have hoped 6711-18 would be the ones coming to AG. Number plates are consistent with 2201-2250 lol
But then Walsall would have an odd one I suppose
Any more due at Wolverhampton this week?
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2016/09/08/all-aboard-8m-luxury-buses-take-to-streets-of-the-black-country/
Now that the cat's out the bag regarding new Platinums heading to Birmingham Central for the 900 and 957, I wonder when the moaning will start about those routes getting new buses after a year, and the X10 and 966 getting 'cast-offs'? ::)
I understand the reasoning behind it, but not everyone sees things as we do! "Always the Birmingham garages that get the new buses" etc
I take it then that this years deliveries are just going to be Platinum buses?
I'll start 2017 rumers
9 to go platinum second Half of the year
120 to have the new electric single deckers
244 to have new mmc single deckers ( to shut trident 4194 up)
Quote from: karl724223 on September 08, 2016, 07:23:33 PM
I'll start 2017 rumers
9 to go platinum second Half of the year
120 to have the new electric single deckers
244 to have new mmc single deckers ( to shut trident 4194 up)
Well they said in the newspaper article that all districts would receive Platinum, so the 9 i reckon is a fair bet,
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 07:38:31 PM
Well they said in the newspaper article that all districts would receive Platinum, so the 9 i reckon is a fair bet,
Dudley Gets the X10 & 126;
Sandwell the X10
Walsall the 529
Wolverhampton the 529 & 126
That's what it means by all districts
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2016, 07:40:52 PM
Dudley Gets the X10 & 126;
Sandwell the X10
Walsall the 529
Wolverhampton the 529 & 126
That's what it means by all districts
Typical, Stourbridge being treated as second class again, tbh NX should take away the MMCs and operate the 9 with Tridents!!
Latest rumour just in
X96 going single decker mmc
Quote from: karl724223 on September 08, 2016, 08:03:24 PM
Latest rumour just in
X96 going single decker mmc
More likely it will be operated by Mercs again if NE had it's way!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
Typical, Stourbridge being treated as second class again, tbh NX should take away the MMCs and operate the 9 with Tridents!!
2nd class? How do you work that out? The area was the first to receive the MMCs. I would say the X10 is more deserving of Platinums than the 9, simply because it is linking Merry Hill and Birmingham, I personally think there is a lot more at Merry Hill than Stourbridge
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2016, 07:40:52 PM
Dudley Gets the X10 & 126;
Sandwell the X10
Walsall the 529
Wolverhampton the 529 & 126
That's what it means by all districts
Plus the 126 operates in Sandwell.
Quote from: Dom on September 08, 2016, 08:06:44 PM
2nd class? How do you work that out? The area was the first to receive the MMCs. I would say the X10 is more deserving of Platinums than the 9, simply because it is linking Merry Hill and Birmingham, I personally think there is a lot more at Merry Hill than Stourbridge
Only because NE were forced into it because the original E400s were in need of replacing.
Thwe X10, well look at it, an express service to replace the 141 which on certain journeys takes more time than the 141, surely the premium service is the 9 operating for the most hours in the West Midlands of any service.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:11:42 PM
Only because NE were forced into it because the original E400s were in need of replacing.
9 operating for the most hours in the West Midlands of any service.
Apart from the 97, the 50, the 900, the 74, the 63 of course
2nd class mmm
Look at all the investment gone into pensnett to operate Black Country routes
New enviro 200,s
New Volvo Single deckers
New double deckers
Tridents being refurbished
Platinum buses for X10 not very old
And five brand new street decks
Told you that pensnett were having volvos 2018
The x10 is not express as you could easily get a 9 and 002 and reduce journey times.
The 126 and 529 are quite direct routes and so is the 9 so it would make sense if it went platinum.
And the only reason we get mmc on 9 was because of the drivers nailing them all day long thinking there f1 drivers.
Witnessing some drivers today the mmc will get moved soon aswell, if they continue to attempt to run them into the ground.
Why have 9 reliability gone awful again? See lots in convoy nowadays
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2016, 08:14:04 PM
Apart from the 97, the 50, the 900, the 74, the 63 of course
Exactly, NIGHT SERVICES and although the 9 must operate for some 21/22 hours a day, NE can't be bothered to ass a couple of journeys in and make it 24 hours, surely the Hagley Road could do with a night service.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
Exactly, NIGHT SERVICES and although the 9 must operate for some 21/22 hours a day, NE can't be bothered to ass a couple of journeys in and make it 24 hours, surely the Hagley Road could do with a night service.
maybe X10 brum to Halesowen shorts
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
Exactly, NIGHT SERVICES and although the 9 must operate for some 21/22 hours a day, NE can't be bothered to ass a couple of journeys in and make it 24 hours, surely the Hagley Road could do with a night service.
No the 900 is not a 24 hour service.
Quote from: karl724223 on September 08, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
2nd class mmm
Look at all the investment gone into pensnett to operate Black Country routes
New enviro 200,s
New Volvo Single deckers
New double deckers
Tridents being refurbished
Platinum buses for X10 not very old
@karl724223 So PN aren't getting new Platinums?
Did NE invest in PN because they wanted to or because they had NO CHOICE!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
@karl724223 So PN aren't getting new Platinums?
Did NE invest in PN because they wanted to or because they had NO CHOICE!
They spoil us with all them vibrating boxes which we have far too many of
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:11:42 PM
Only because NE were forced into it because the original E400s were in need of replacing.
Thwe X10, well look at it, an express service to replace the 141 which on certain journeys takes more time than the 141, surely the premium service is the 9 operating for the most hours in the West Midlands of any service.
Someone hasn't heard the latest X10 rumours
Quote from: pndriver on September 08, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
Someone hasn't heard the latest X10 rumours
withdrawn and replaced by the 141?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 08, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
Told you that pensnett were having volvos 2018
The x10 is not express as you could easily get a 9 and 002 and reduce journey times.
The 126 and 529 are quite direct routes and so is the 9 so it would make sense if it went platinum.
And the only reason we get mmc on 9 was because of the drivers nailing them all day long thinking there f1 drivers.
Witnessing some drivers today the mmc will get moved soon aswell, if they continue to attempt to run them into the ground.
Why have 9 reliability gone awful again? See lots in convoy nowadays
wtf are you on about again?
That entire post is rubbish
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
@karl724223 So PN aren't getting new Platinums?
Did NE invest in PN because they wanted to or because they had NO CHOICE!
pn having bc platinums
Quote from: karl724223 on September 08, 2016, 08:46:03 PM
pn having bc platinums
PMSL, so my comment on 2nd class is right, tell you what BC keep there Platinums and PN can carry on with the buses they have.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
PMSL, so my comment on 2nd class is right, tell you what BC keep there Platinums and PN can carry on with the buses they have.
Now you're complaining for the sake of it.
The 9, has received more batches of new buses in the last 10 years than the 126, 529, 79, 255/6 and 59 (Wolverhampton arguably most known routes) put together!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
PMSL, so my comment on 2nd class is right, tell you what BC keep there Platinums and PN can carry on with the buses they have.
PN already has one of the lowest average fleet ages and will be gaining yet more nearly new buses, you can't please some folk!
Quote from: Winston on September 08, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
PN already has one of the lowest average fleet ages and will be gaining yet more nearly new buses, you can't please some folk!
THANK YOU! Someone realising the truth!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
PMSL, so my comment on 2nd class is right, tell you what BC keep there Platinums and PN can carry on with the buses they have.
The rationale for PN not having new Platinums has already been explained, the new ones have Voith gearboxes and PN already has a sizeable fleet of ZF ones. No garages are having both types.
Relative to fleet size PN must have had one of the largest influx of new or nearly new buses than any other garage over the last 4 years.
Quote from: Mike K on September 08, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
The rationale for PN not having new Platinums has already been explained, the new ones have Voith gearboxes and PN already has a sizeable fleet of ZF ones. No garages are having both types.
Relative to fleet size PN must have had one of the largest influx of new or nearly new buses than any other garage over the last 4 years.
that was my point on my post 780
Quote from: Mike K on September 08, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
The rationale for PN not having new Platinums has already been explained, the new ones have Voith gearboxes and PN already has a sizeable fleet of ZF ones. No garages are having both types.
Relative to fleet size PN must have had one of the largest influx of new or nearly new buses than any other garage over the last 4 years.
And we're having new Electric buses next year too
Quote from: pndriver on September 08, 2016, 09:24:31 PM
And we're having new Electric buses next year too
my post 769 branded nine on the four seen at messy hell
@pndriver
Quote from: Mike K on September 08, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
Relative to fleet size PN must have had one of the largest influx of new or nearly new buses than any other garage over the last 4 years.
They have, that's why the have one of lowest average fleet ages across all NXWM garages.
Quote from: Dom on September 08, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
THANK YOU! Someone realising the truth!
WILL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT IN FUTURE!!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 09:44:26 PM
WILL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT IN FUTURE!!!
No you just couldn't recognise the facts that Stourbridge is hardly a neglected area.
@Tony the combination of the 9 and 002/004 is a quicker route than the x10.
The 9 is most direct route from stoutbridge to bham so surely should receive platinum treatment.
I guess that the mileage is already quite high on the BC platinums, so running them into the ground on the 9 would be a bad idea.
The electric volvos are for the 120.
Stoutbridge isn't as neglected as some areas, we just seem to have the worst buses from enthusiasts point of view.
I'm guessing no more e200s can be purchased?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 09, 2016, 09:13:04 AM
@Tony the combination of the 9 and 002/004 is a quicker route than the x10.
The 9 is most direct route from stoutbridge to bham so surely should receive platinum treatment.
I guess that the mileage is already quite high on the BC platinums, so running them into the ground on the 9 would be a bad idea.
The electric volvos are for the 120.
Stoutbridge isn't as neglected as some areas, we just seem to have the worst buses from enthusiasts point of view.
I'm guessing no more e200s can be purchased?
The X10 is an Express route between Birmingham city centre and Halesowen, it is a LOT faster than the 9. It is NOT an express service to merry hill. Passengers have even started waving the 9 past to catch the X10.
Quote from: pndriver on September 09, 2016, 09:27:45 AM
The X10 is an Express route between Birmingham city centre and Halesowen, it is a LOT faster than the 9. It is NOT an express service to merry hill. Passengers have even started waving the 9 past to catch the X10.
A lot faster?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 09, 2016, 09:13:04 AM
@Tony the combination of the 9 and 002/004 is a quicker route than the x10.
The 9 is most direct route from stoutbridge to bham so surely should receive platinum treatment.
I guess that the mileage is already quite high on the BC platinums, so running them into the ground on the 9 would be a bad idea.
The electric volvos are for the 120.
Stoutbridge isn't as neglected as some areas, we just seem to have the worst buses from enthusiasts point of view.
I'm guessing no more e200s can be purchased?
And what about about the waiting time between jumping off a 9 & on to a 002/004. Not to mention that the 3 routes are operated by 3 different operators.
Where are getting the idea from that the electric buses are Volvo from?
1. Volvo currently only supply the 7900 with Volvo bodywork as an electric option, those are vastly different to anything currently oeprated. ADL or Wrightbus would be the most likely suppliers.
2. I doubt even NX Group know what they're ordering for 2017/18 yet, let alone you
3. E200's are still being built as ADL stock up to the end of this year
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2016, 09:44:26 PM
WILL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT IN FUTURE!!!
just stop typing that,ll do nicely stuharris
Quote from: MW on September 08, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Ah okay, 8 for AG then. That'll mean we'll see some rare workings. Maybe one on the 11 !
I did programme 6148's destination for the 11A last year, looked interesting to say the least.
Interesting that they're 3 speed Voith, as oppose to the 4 speed voith E200MMCs
They're not - they're 4 speed. Not the first time Bus and Coach buyer has got it wrong.
Is the Bristol Road still getting a platinum service?
Quote from: Chris on September 10, 2016, 03:22:38 PM
Is the Bristol Road still getting a platinum service?
No apparently it has been shelved as per an earlier quote on here
@Chris
City to Castle Brom is getting one instead ::) (Oh they do already Claribels).
I saw a 529 platinum yesterday driving down Smallbrook Queensway whilst driving my 144. How come it was in Birmingham?
Quote from: j789 on September 11, 2016, 02:35:00 PM
I saw a 529 platinum yesterday driving down Smallbrook Queensway whilst driving my 144. How come it was in Birmingham?
6771 was in Upper Bull Street yesterday or it could just of been doing a 126 maybe
@j789
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 11, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
6771 was in Upper Bull Street yesterday or it could just of been doing a 126 maybe
Tony drove 6771 to Birmingham. Don't know why though?
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 11, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
Tony drove 6771 to Birmingham. Don't know why though?
Bus Users UK were holding a meeting in Birmingham and I took them on a mini tour in 6771. What was nice was the rep from Brighton saying she wished they had buses like 6771 in Brighton!
See
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6771.html
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2016, 03:07:21 PM
Bus Users UK were holding a meeting in Birmingham and I took them on a mini tour in 6771. What was nice was the rep from Brighton saying she wished they had buses like 6771 in Brighton!
See
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6771.html
Its a great picture alongside the Metro tram
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2016, 03:07:21 PM
Bus Users UK were holding a meeting in Birmingham and I took them on a mini tour in 6771. What was nice was the rep from Brighton saying she wished they had buses like 6771 in Brighton!
See
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6771.html
Thanks for explaining, wondered why. :) Picture looks good! I like how you captured the tram and the bus together.
6762, the driver keeps stalling it!
Quote from: Westy on September 12, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
6762, the driver keeps stalling it!
Aren't they fitted with stop start technology?
Quote from: Mike K on September 12, 2016, 05:42:04 PM
Aren't they fitted with stop start technology?
Yes, but some passengers don't read the notice on them that tells you the engine will stop at Bus Stops to save fuel and emissions.
Quote from: Westy on September 12, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
6762, the driver keeps stalling it!
Keeps stalling an automatic?
I think you'll find that if it kept stalling (aside from the fact that it's an automatic gearbox) the vehicle would be jerking back and forwards. Stop start only occurs when the handbrake is applied, so it's not stalling my friend.
Quote from: MW on September 12, 2016, 05:46:37 PM
Keeps stalling an automatic?
I think you'll find that if it kept stalling (aside from the fact that it's an automatic gearbox) the vehicle would be jerking back and forwards. Stop start only occurs when the handbrake is applied, so it's not stalling my friend.
It also only happens when the doors are open on the Platinums, so only as bus stops, not traffic lights etc.
Well I dont know, do I!
Im only used to car drivers over the years!
A stall is a stall to me!
Quote from: Tony on September 12, 2016, 05:48:24 PM
It also only happens when the doors are open on the Platinums, so only as bus stops, not traffic lights etc.
I've just ridden on 6765 and the engine seemed to stop both when the door was open, as usual, but also when stopped in traffic. Also, after standing with the door open for one minute, the engine will restart.
For anyone that hasn't seen the 126 branding, it's a lovely shade of green. The same as the 957
Quote from: pndriver on September 13, 2016, 03:26:54 PM
For anyone that hasn't seen the 126 branding, it's a lovely shade of green. The same as the 957
Nice. Looking forward to seeing what shade of green the X10 will be.
Soon we'll have some forum members getting all excited over the Platinums fifty shades of green.
Sounds like a new NXWM Movie
@Mike K.
Presenting...50 Shades of Green Platinums
Quote from: Mike K on September 13, 2016, 06:59:35 PM
Nice. Looking forward to seeing what shade of green the X10 will be.
Soon we'll have some forum members getting all excited over the Platinums fifty shades of green.
Same as the 9 no doubt
Since the Platinums arrived the 529s have become even more gregarious than before. Is there any reason for this? I don't know of any road works etc at the moment.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on September 15, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
Since the Platinums arrived the 529s have become even more gregarious than before. Is there any reason for this? I don't know of any road works etc at the moment.
Gregarious - brilliant and inspired, that man!!!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 15, 2016, 05:05:27 PM
Gregarious - brilliant and inspired, that man!!!
Acknowledgements to Flanders and Swann, Transport of Delight.
6775 parked at WA
It was making very horrible sounds yesterday so could they be lookinf at it ??
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 15, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
It was making very horrible sounds yesterday so could they be lookinf at it ??
It wasn't when I caught it on the 1938 ex Wolverhampton
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on September 15, 2016, 04:27:18 PM
Since the Platinums arrived the 529s have become even more gregarious than before. Is there any reason for this? I don't know of any road works etc at the moment.
I thought Platinum routes were supposed to have their own dedicated managers, who the public could easily approach for a direct response to their concerns?
Region's first Platinum buses hit the streets (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/regions-first-platinum-buses-hit-the-streets)
22nd May 2015
Quote
...
Drivers of the services will also wear suits and each route will have a dedicated manager who will be responsible for making sure that buses run on time and responding directly to customers' concerns.
...
Who is the Platinum manager for the 529?
How do the public contact them?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 15, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
6775 parked at WA
And 6774 is at Perry Barr for our type training
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 18, 2016, 01:03:56 PM
The Bus and Coach article states that 34 Platinum buses are going to Birmingham Central which will displace the existing Platinum buses to other garages, At the moment BC have 18 which they will have 16 more. So if the 900 and 957 retain there allocation (16 I think) and the new 960 having 60 that totals 22 and with the Bristol Road express route possibly being shelved why do BC need 34 platinums.
The 900 and 957 currently have 18 platinums. So if they do retain there allocation they'd still have 18 wouldn't they?
Its not been confirmed that the Bristol Road express has been shelved has it?
Quote from: 2206 on September 18, 2016, 01:09:05 PM
The 900 and 957 currently have 18 platinums. So if they do retain there allocation they'd still have 18 wouldn't they?
Its not been confirmed that the Bristol Road express has been shelved has it?
OK then, if they retain there 18 plus maybe 6 more for the 960 that makes 24, will the new Bristol Road express need let's say 8 platinums, really ?
The Bus and Coach article states that 34 Platinum buses are going to Birmingham Central which will displace the existing Platinum buses to other garages, At the moment BC have 18 which they will have 16 more. So if the 900 and 957 retain there allocation and the new 960 having 6 that totals 24 and with the Bristol Road express route possibly being shelved why do BC need 34 platinums ?. Even If the Bristol Road express goes ahead will it require let's say 8 ?
Harborne corridor can have the remainder of platinums :)
Looks like the Suttons are next for the platinum treatment will the 914 be platinum too as the majority of the 914s are existing 63 plate E400
Rumour has it that perry barr to start receiving platinums from
Next week any truth in it?
Quote from: Nxwm on September 19, 2016, 11:32:37 AM
Rumour has it that perry barr to start receiving platinums from
Next week any truth in it?
Wouldn't 6780-6795 come first before 6796-6805 arrives??
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 18, 2016, 01:41:19 PM
The Bus and Coach article states that 34 Platinum buses are going to Birmingham Central which will displace the existing Platinum buses to other garages, At the moment BC have 18 which they will have 16 more. So if the 900 and 957 retain there allocation and the new 960 having 6 that totals 24 and with the Bristol Road express route possibly being shelved why do BC need 34 platinums ?. Even If the Bristol Road express goes ahead will it require let's say 8 ?
I still think they are making a mistake by having an express route on the Bristol Rd. The 900 / 957 take full advantage of the Small Heath bypass, as do the 934 etc in Six Ways Aston and Birchfield / Perry Barr. The Sutton routes also have the Expressway. There is nothing like that on the Bristol Rd.
Also I think a 960 would be a mistake.
The Bristol Rd have had a 921, 949, 961, 963, 964 - all have been withdrawn.
Quote from: Chris on September 19, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
Wouldn't 6780-6795 come first before 6796-6805 arrives??
Would be logical in theory
@Chris, though the debacle with MCW & Park Royal with the Fleetlines in the 70's nothing would surprise me lol
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 19, 2016, 12:31:14 PM
I still think they are making a mistake by having an express route on the Bristol Rd. The 900 / 957 take full advantage of the Small Heath bypass, as do the 934 etc in Six Ways Aston and Birchfield / Perry Barr. The Sutton routes also have the Expressway. There is nothing like that on the Bristol Rd.
Also I think a 960 would be a mistake.
The Bristol Rd have had a 921, 949, 961, 963, 964 - all have been withdrawn.
But would it also be also not be fair to say, that any people that commute along the Bristol Rd may opt to use First's 144 as it is currently quicker than NXWM's Bristol Rd routes over similar sections. A limited stop Bristol Road Platinum service should be able to match those journey times to key stops along the route
Quote from: Winston on September 19, 2016, 12:42:40 PM
But would it also be also not be fair to say, that any people that commute along the Bristol Rd may opt to use First's 144 as it is currently quicker than NXWM's Bristol Rd routes over similar sections. A limited stop Bristol Road Platinum service should be able to match those journey times to key stops along the route
True as the 963 I believe worked fairly well back in the 80's & 90's before it became the 64 first I think despite using DP Timesaver(waster) Metrobuses but also the Bristol Road has changed a lot in certain places and is much busier now I would surmise
Quote from: Winston on September 19, 2016, 12:42:40 PM
But would it also be also not be fair to say, that any people that commute along the Bristol Rd may opt to use First's 144 as it is currently quicker than NXWM's Bristol Rd routes over similar sections. A limited stop Bristol Road Platinum service should be able to match those journey times to key stops along the route
Very few people travelling between Longbridge and City use the 144, as most have NX passes / daysavers, and the others just tend to stick to the 61 and 63. The ammount of times Ive been behind a 144 and it pulls in to a crowded stop and then pulls out again without anybody getting on.
In the days of the 964 people would ask to get off at non 964 stops, open the emergency door button. Not straying from the 63 route (apart from briefly at Rubery) didnt help.
There are no flyovers, underpasses on the Bristol Rd. The A34 is spoilt!
Quote from: Chris on September 19, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
Wouldn't 6780-6795 come first before 6796-6805 arrives??
It's not unknown - previous batches of E400s had later numbered vehicles delivered out of sequence (e.g Coventry in advance of some of the West Bromwich ones in the 49xx series). It depends how NXWM have specified them to arrive.
Quote from: don on September 19, 2016, 02:04:06 PM
It's not unknown - previous batches of E400s had later numbered vehicles delivered out of sequence (e.g Coventry in advance of some of the West Bromwich ones in the 49xx series). It depends how NXWM have specified them to arrive.
If you look the registrations of the CV E40d's they followed on from the previous batch of WM E40D's even though they were numbered later in the sequence
Quote from: Nxwm on September 19, 2016, 11:32:37 AM
Rumour has it that perry barr to start receiving platinums from
Next week any truth in it?
No!............this week
6779 has come out for the first time, on the 126.
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2016, 04:04:13 PM
No!............this week
when can pensnett have one to play with
6777 was in dudley at 4 on 126 Wolverhampton
Quote from: don on September 19, 2016, 02:04:06 PM
It's not unknown - previous batches of E400s had later numbered vehicles delivered out of sequence (e.g Coventry in advance of some of the West Bromwich ones in the 49xx series). It depends how NXWM have specified them to arrive.
The reason for the out of sequence deliveries last year and this year is nothing sinister, It is purely because Alexander Dennis have the vehicles coming down two production lines
Quote from: Dom on September 19, 2016, 05:31:21 PM
6779 has come out for the first time, on the 126.
WOW they look even better in the dark.
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2016, 04:04:13 PM
No!............this week
@Tony cheers mate any idea when they come into service then? End of the month maybe?
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2016, 06:07:15 PM
The reason for the out of sequence deliveries last year and this year is nothing sinister, It is purely because Alexander Dennis have the vehicles coming down two production lines
Thanks for the info Tony - sounds like they could be arriving even quicker. Ps I wasn't suggesting anything sinister, merely that out of sequence delivery had occurred before from AD.
Most (all?) 529 Platinums have an 'Investing in the Black Country' banner on a ns window.
Normally walk to work with someone who's partner is a PB driver, & he apparantly had a text while on holiday, informing him about Platinium training.
Wonder what the Suttons branding will be? An electric blue would be awesome and suit the platinum livery
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
Wonder what the Suttons branding will be? An electric blue would be awesome and suit the platinum livery
Sutton already has a branding colour
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
Wonder what the Suttons branding will be? An electric blue would be awesome and suit the platinum livery
Could be a similar shade to the 110 Sapphire livery to match that corridor but knowing us lot it will be another shade of green like all the other branded Platinum's apart from the 529
@Chris
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 02:05:26 PM
Sutton already has a branding colour
Won't the current black/blue branding look lost against the dark Platinum livery?
So I suspect that the 82/87 will get the Sutton cast offs as nxwm tend to have a habit of re distributing to routes that have had re hashes ( what ever you want to call it) months apart lol
Will the 907 be in the Sutton Platinum mix?
If it is that will definitely take the mick in my humble view, it shouldn't be
Quote from: RW on September 20, 2016, 08:28:11 PM
Will the 907 be in the Sutton Platinum mix?
No, just the 902/4/5
Quote from: John on September 20, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
No, just the 902/4/5
Will the 914 go platinum?
As 25 are due and some of the 26 current E400 are used on the 914.
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
That too would be a piss take
Given the number of vehicles on order (10) it looks like only the Express trio will be getting the upgrade.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 20, 2016, 08:53:18 PM
Given the number of vehicles on order (10) it looks like only the Express trio will be getting the upgrade.
No 25 are for PB.
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2016, 08:54:16 PM
No 25 are for PB.
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
I was wondering 10 does seem a lot less :D
I'm guessing PB might do what WA does with their Platinums and they might make appearances on other routes, so 914 might see some Platinums 1 way or another.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 20, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
If it is that will definitely take the mick in my humble view, it shouldn't be
Why shouldn't the 907 be Platinum (I never expected it to be, it's been neglected for years), it runs Limited Stop between City and Perry. If that's the case then the 914 shouldn't be either.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2016, 09:07:56 PM
Why shouldn't the 907 be Platinum (I never expected it to be, it's been neglected for years), it runs Limited Stop between City and Perry. If that's the case then the 914 shouldn't be either.
How has it been neglected for years?
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2016, 09:10:34 PM
Hows it been neglected for years?
I've been living on this route since 1994, the frequency has fallen through the floor, at least twice a week I have to get the 934-7 routes to Hawthorn Road and walk down to College Road because the 907 fails to show(and before anyone says anything yes I can get the 7 but it's on the other side of the City and takes too long and it's hardly the point really), New Oscott is a nightmare you can be sitting on a bus between the top of College Road and Tesco for 10-15 mins and hardly move.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
I've been living on this route since 1994, the frequency has fallen through the floor, at least twice a week I have to get the 934-7 routes to Hawthorn Road and walk down to College Road because the 907 fails to show(and before anyone says anything yes I can get the 7 but it's on the other side of the City and takes too long and it's hardly the point really), New Oscott is a nightmare you can be sitting on a bus between the top of College Road and Tesco for 10-15 mins and hardly move.
Thanks for the information.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2016, 09:07:56 PM
Why shouldn't the 907 be Platinum (I never expected it to be, it's been neglected for years), it runs Limited Stop between City and Perry. If that's the case then the 914 shouldn't be either.
I don't think either of them should their are a lot of other cases that get treated a lot worse than thoose two although they are busier and if those two routes got Platinum, in my view would take the utter &*^^%
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
Thanks for the information.
How is that even a response to a valid point?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 20, 2016, 11:08:51 PM
I don't think either of them should their are a lot of other cases that get treated a lot worse than thoose two although they are busier and if those two routes got Platinum, in my view would take the utter &*^^%
You don't live in Birmingham anymore! How's your contribution valid when the 94 as we all know is one of the scummiest on the network.
If the people only arsed about fleet numbers etc want to know then theoretically 25 Platty's would cover 902/4/5. The BX61's would be a sufficient sub. Unless as with all mainstream media, the figures are wrong and the amount PB will receive WILL definitely be enough for all four routes.
Seems a bit childish to imply I was even referring to that route with a derogatory description when I didn't even make any reference to it, however each to their own.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 20, 2016, 11:16:53 PM
when the 94 as we all know is one of the scummiest on the network.
You obviously don't use the 94!
Which Platinums are on the 126 today please?
I'm currently on board 6777 on my way to college, its currently at the priory.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 20, 2016, 11:16:53 PM
How is that even a response to a valid point?
You don't live in Birmingham anymore! How's your contribution valid when the 94 as we all know is one of the scummiest on the network.
If the people only arsed about fleet numbers etc want to know then theoretically 25 Platty's would cover 902/4/5. The BX61's would be a sufficient sub. Unless as with all mainstream media, the figures are wrong and the amount PB will receive WILL definitely be enough for all four routes.
The buses the Platinums will replace on the 902/4/5 are actually
BK63's not BX61's
@Ashley 60171
Sorry to harp on about this, but daytime reliability on the 529 has gone down the pan. Could there be any link to the stop/start technology? Though in my own experience it does not seem to cause delays at bus stops. Or is there some other reason? No roadworks etc at the moment.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 20, 2016, 11:16:53 PM
How is that even a response to a valid point?
You don't live in Birmingham anymore! How's your contribution valid when the 94 as we all know is one of the scummiest on the network.
If the people only arsed about fleet numbers etc want to know then theoretically 25 Platty's would cover 902/4/5. The BX61's would be a sufficient sub. Unless as with all mainstream media, the figures are wrong and the amount PB will receive WILL definitely be enough for all four routes.
That is quite a stupid comment. No the 94 is not one of the scummiest routes on the network. I've used the route for 11 years now and have rarely seen any incidents on there.
How often do you use the route? You obviously do not use it.
Any deliveries for perry barr yet on the platinums
I like how the drivers can override the stop start thing on the new Platinums. Bus comes to stop, opens doors, engine stops and immediately starts again. Surely that wastes evenmore fuel than leaving it running?
Quote from: Kevin on September 25, 2016, 11:01:51 AM
I like how the drivers can override the stop start thing on the new Platinums. Bus comes to stop, opens doors, engine stops and immediately starts again. Surely that wastes evenmore fuel than leaving it running?
Its annoying on the 529, when Ive been on those.
I take it the Walsall & current BC vehicles either dont have this option or the drivers have got used to them?
Quote from: Westy on September 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Its annoying on the 529, when Ive been on those.
I take it the Walsall & current BC vehicles either dont have this option or the drivers have got used to them?
Ours don't have stop start its just 6759-
Quote from: Westy on September 25, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Its annoying on the 529, when Ive been on those.
I take it the Walsall & current BC vehicles either dont have this option or the drivers have got used to them?
The stop/start option is only on the new platinum deliveries as these are now Voith whereas 6701-6758 are ZF geared
@Westy
Am I correct in saying current deliveries are: WN 6759-95 (37 buses), PB 6796-6820 (25) and presumably BC 6821-54 (34). On the fleetlist page Tony has 6821 due at Perry Barr, should that be BC instead?
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 26, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
Am I correct in saying current deliveries are: WN 6759-95 (37 buses), PB 6796-6820 (25) and presumably BC 6821-54 (34). On the fleetlist page Tony has 6821 due at Perry Barr, should that be BC instead?
No you're not correct, the main site is correct
So does this mean the 914 is being branded to platinum??? And when will PB receive there 1st platty???
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
No you're not correct, the main site is correct
Ah right. Although 25 going to Perry Barr has been mentioned on other sources - it could be getting [at least one] more than that? 6796-6821 is 26 vehicles already.
A Platinum experience on Saturday night!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/r6Xu93
Sitting on the staircase wasn't that much more uncomfortable than the seats and I was able to appreciate the mood lighting!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/016sau
Reducing the headway before shops close....just dim.
Quote from: JoNi on October 03, 2016, 09:19:53 AM
A Platinum experience on Saturday night!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/r6Xu93
Sitting on the staircase wasn't that much more uncomfortable than the seats and I was able to appreciate the mood lighting!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/016sau
Reducing the headway before shops close....just dim.
Surely not safe?
Can't say my first experience of Platinum today was like that. Smart friendly driver, sat upstairs on comfy seat with an unbelievable amount of legroom and used FAST wifi to get up to date with emails. The X51 really did seem fast, all in all, top marks NXWM, it really is a way to grow patronage and promote the bus.
That was probably due to the horrendous traffic caused by the blues game delaying everything I was stuck in my car on the small heath by pass sat eve.
Dear Mr Hunter,
What is happening to the 529? Yes, I know it is very susceptable to congestion caused by roadworks* or accidents, but now almost every day sees buses running in convoys of two, three or even four. Passengers are blaming the stop/start technology, but I cannot see dwell times being extended. So what is the problem?
*eg Thurs 29/9
Looks like the Sutton routes are going Platinum....
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum)
I wonder where the current allocation on the Sutton lines will go ; any indicators yet?? Apologies if been discussed already .
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on October 07, 2016, 07:11:05 PM
Looks like the Sutton routes are going Platinum....
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum)
No mention of the X10, lets hope NE have dropped that idea!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 07, 2016, 07:13:26 PM
No mention of the X10, lets hope NE have dropped that idea!
X10 not having new platinum buses Second hand from bc
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2016, 07:13:14 PM
I wonder where the current allocation on the Sutton lines will go ; any indicators yet?? Apologies if been discussed already .
I'd have thought Birmingham Central, to upgrade the Bristol Road corridor and allow a cascade, with the more elderly vehicles including the Presidents falling out of the bottom.
Also will be interesting to see if Arriva respond given the 110 which goes the same way is one of their flagship "Sapphire" routes.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on October 07, 2016, 07:31:53 PM
I'd have thought Birmingham Central, to upgrade the Bristol Road corridor and allow a cascade, with the more elderly vehicles including the Presidents falling out of the bottom.
Also will be interesting to see if Arriva respond given the 110 which goes the same way is one of their flagship "Sapphire" routes.
Could also possibly stay at PB for the 94, 65, or 67.
Quote from: 2206 on October 07, 2016, 07:48:15 PM
Could also possibly stay at PB for the 94, 65, or 67.
Yeah. Maybe we'll see some more ALX400s heading for AG/WA. And maybe 4506 will join the rest of the 53 plates at AG.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on October 07, 2016, 07:11:05 PM
Looks like the Sutton routes are going Platinum....
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/welcome-to-platinum)
It mentions that the 914 is also to go Platunum. There won't be enough new buses for all 902/914 running boards
Just seen a pic of the branding on 6802, it is grey and looks the smartest branding on the MMCs yet
Quote from: MW on October 07, 2016, 07:52:02 PM
Yeah. Maybe we'll see some more ALX400s heading for AG/WA. And maybe 4506 will join the rest of the 53 plates at AG.
I think the opportunity is there to cascade out some of the ALX400 B7TLs to directly replace more Presidents at AG, WA and WB.
Quote from: Stu on October 07, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
I think the opportunity is there to cascade out some of the ALX400 B7TLs to directly replace more Presidents at AG, WA and WB.
WA are losing there B7TL ALX400 to AG and WB.
No mention of the infamous 'stop start' technology on that page then.
Quote from: Stu on October 07, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
I think the opportunity is there to cascade out some of the ALX400 B7TLs to directly replace more Presidents at AG, WA and WB.
Well there are 26 Enviro400s currently on the Suttons, and 33 ALX400s left at Perry Barr (according to my fleetlist). If the powers that be wanted to get rid of them all, then they could when the remaining Geminis from Coventry arrive
Just to clarify , is it 6796-6802 that are ready to roll?
That's it then, it's now on the NX website that the 902, 904, 905 AND THE 914 will go platinum, so the 907 route loses out, I'm very bitter about this
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 07, 2016, 08:23:59 PM
That's it then, it's now on the NX website that the 902, 904, 905 AND THE 914 will go platinum, so the 907 route loses out, I'm very bitter about this
Whats there to be bitter about? The announcement says that it is the Sutton Lines routes that are being upgraded (ie those that go express via Aston Expressway and Erdington). The 907 might go to Sutton Coldfield, but it is not part of the same group.
Aren't most of the original PB to city routes getting fairly new buses anyway.
I'm just curious why routes like 900 957 and Sutton routes etc get new buses with rebrands etc and then get replaced by a new lot of couple of month laters with another lot of buses having to be rebranded and changed etc etc.
I'm just curious when routes like Bristol Rd and others for example don't get any attention. Just trying to understand the process and logic.
Why get new buses in the 900 for example with branding and keep changing when a new higher spec comes in, is that like 3 changes/reorg's in as many years or possibly less.
Just seen an image on Facebook of 6802 in the new silver Sutton branding with another one parked behind. The branding looks very similar to the Streetly branding.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2016, 08:41:20 PM
I'm just curious why routes like 900 957 and Sutton routes etc get new buses with rebrands etc and then get replaced by a new lot of couple of month laters with another lot of buses having to be rebranded and changed etc etc.
I'm just curious when routes like Bristol Rd and others for example don't get any attention. Just trying to understand the process and logic.
Why get new buses in the 900 for example with branding and keep changing when a new higher spec comes in, is that like 3 changes/reorg's in as many years or possibly less.
We know that the 60 is getting Platinums as well as extra buses on the 900.
From an engineering point of view, the new Platinums are obviously different (gearbox wise/start stop etc). The company can either split the remainder Platinums up, or send all of them to BC. Basically it's easier than having two different spec Platinums in one garage.
Also, PE already operate ZF boxed MMCs. AG also already operate MMCs.
It just seems to be from an operational point of view. The 900/957/960 I'd say are more high profile than the X10 and 966.
O I see, was just curious really.
Having seen there are further orders for the Platinum's, I travelled recently on one of the new Platinum buses I am very surprised NX have continued to reorder. I thought they would be much better ordering more of the Green Hybrids.
I have two complaints about the Platinum's, one is sitting at the front upstairs the window demister is very noisy, but the most irritating thing of all is the stop starting of the diesel engine everytime it stops at a stop, it is so noise and annoying. The green Hybrids are much better. What do others think.
Graham Taylor, Willenhall, Wolverhampton
PS, 6800 was seen at Heysham Docks this weekend
Quote from: g4jzfgraham on October 09, 2016, 11:21:34 AM
Having seen there are further orders for the Platinum's, I travelled recently on one of the new Platinum buses I am very surprised NX have continued to reorder. I thought they would be much better ordering more of the Green Hybrids.
I have two complaints about the Platinum's, one is sitting at the front upstairs the window demister is very noisy, but the most irritating thing of all is the stop starting of the diesel engine everytime it stops at a stop, it is so noise and annoying. The green Hybrids are much better. What do others think.
Graham Taylor, Willenhall, Wolverhampton
PS, 6800 was seen at Heysham Docks this weekend
What, you mean those hybrids with the annoying stop start technology?
Personally I don't see what the fuss is about with stop start technology. My car has it and i don't even think about it now, it just works and the engine fires up in an instant when it needs to. Not been on a Platimum of any sort but on my local route the B5LHs have it and whilst it's not the same system as the Platinums, and doesn't kick in all the time, it works fine and certainly doesn't impact journey times.
Be interesting to hear a driver perspective on the new Platinums.
Quote from: Mike K on October 09, 2016, 12:31:09 PM
Personally I don't see what the fuss is about with stop start technology. My car has it and i don't even think about it now, it just works and the engine fires up in an instant when it needs to. Not been on a Platimum of any sort but on my local route the B5LHs have it and whilst it's not the same system as the Platinums, and doesn't kick in all the time, it works fine and certainly doesn't impact journey times.
Be interesting to hear a driver perspective on the new Platinums.
I agree - my car has it and also an automatic electronic handbrake and collision assist - all these gizmos take a short time to get used to but don't create delay at all and become second nature. From what I've seen of start/stop bus technology in use, it makes no difference to journey times but drivers probably take a day or two to get used to it. That is also shown by the Voith video posted by Walsall1955.
However I'm curious why ADL-built Platinum buses would have been at Heysham or in Eire.
Quote from: don on October 09, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
I agree - my car has it and also an automatic electronic handbrake and collision assist - all these gizmos take a short time to get used to but don't create delay at all and become second nature. From what I've seen of start/stop bus technology in use, it makes no difference to journey times but drivers probably take a day or two to get used to it. That is also shown by the Voith video posted by Walsall1955.
However I'm curious why ADL-built Platinum buses would have been at Heysham or in Eire.
With 2203/4 there's sometimes a second or two delay with the engine starting again. A lot of drivers don't actually engage the handbrake at stops where there is one or two people getting on or off. It doesn't affect running time though so not sure what the fuss with the 529 is all about.
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
It doesn't affect running time though so not sure what the fuss with the 529 is all about.
You'll probably find that the service is as unreliable as it was before the Platinums were introduced. However, many ill-informed passengers believe the buses "keep breaking down" due to the stop/start technology being unfamiliar to the average passenger, so its only now the reliability is being complained about now there is something to supposedly complain about. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Stu on October 09, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
You'll probably find that the service is as unreliable as it was before the Platinums were introduced. However, many ill-informed passengers believe the buses "keep breaking down" due to the stop/start technology being unfamiliar to the average passenger, so its only now the reliability is being complained about now there is something to supposedly complain about. Just my opinion.
Having lived on the route my whole life, and being kinda used to convoys of 2, and maybe 3s at peak, even i'll admit that it is a bit ridiculous when 3 turn up within the same 5 minutes, at 10 in the morning, despite there being no traffic...
And yeah, I know the 529 passes 3 major traffic points (Junction 10, Portobello Island & Neachells Lane Junction) which can cause delays, but on days when all of those are relatively clear, and still having 2 or 3 turn up together, it's a bit poor...
I can't say the Stop-Start annoys or bothers me. Seems to work quite well on 2203 and 2204 from my experience on them and it's not noisy at all. I drive cars with Stop-Start and again have no issue with it.
Quote from: Alex on October 09, 2016, 05:31:31 PM
Having lived on the route my whole life, and being kinda used to convoys of 2, and maybe 3s at peak, even i'll admit that it is a bit ridiculous when 3 turn up within the same 5 minutes, at 10 in the morning, despite there being no traffic...
And yeah, I know the 529 passes 3 major traffic points (Junction 10, Portobello Island & Neachells Lane Junction) which can cause delays, but on days when all of those are relatively clear, and still having 2 or 3 turn up together, it's a bit poor...
My experience also...
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on October 10, 2016, 08:09:57 AM
My experience also...
What is disappointing is that the bunching is not new - and not aways peak hours - see the following Saturday 22nd October 2005 instance where three 529s were running in convoy though Willenhall bound for walsall at 1.24pm ... 11 years ago.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/4846618959/
And it doesn't end there ... we see big investment by the bus operator with little or no matching contribution from the regional transport authority in terms of overdue bus priorities and junction improvements. There wil be no flyover at junction 10 (costs too much, alleged traffic flow conflicts) when the 2019/20 remodelling takes place. A word search "bus" in the various public documents show only one mention of the word "bus" in 52 pages.
Quote from: Walsall1955 on October 10, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
What is disappointing is that the bunching is not new - and not aways peak hours - see the following Saturday 22nd October 2005 instance where three 529s were running in convoy though Willenhall bound for walsall at 1.24pm ... 11 years ago.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/4846618959/
And it doesn't end there ... we see big investment by the bus operator with little or no matching contribution from the regional transport authority in terms of overdue bus priorities and junction improvements. There wil be no flyover at junction 10 (costs too much, alleged traffic flow conflicts) when the 2019/20 remodelling takes place. A word search "bus" in the various public documents show only one mention of the word "bus" in 52 pages.
Or one afternoon in September 2010 when seven 529's and two 333's pulled round the back of the E&S together...
Random theory I was thinking about NXWM do seem to favour upgrading routes that have had recent upgrades so could the (not 71 on basis can't do DDecks) 72 be due an upgrade (especially if Land Rover put in some cash), or even an X20 to Harborne via the Hagley Rd and the 37 seems to have been neglected recently.
Just thought I would put it out there, whilst I'm finishing a presentation I really don't want to do lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 12, 2016, 07:29:37 AM
Random theory I was thinking about NXWM do seem to favour upgrading routes that have had recent upgrades so could the (not 71 on basis can't do DDecks) 72 be due an upgrade (especially if Land Rover put in some cash), or even an X20 to Harborne via the Hagley Rd and the 37 seems to have been neglected recently.
Just thought I would put it out there, whilst I'm finishing a presentation I really don't want to do lol.
I hope they wouldn't duplicate the X20 number as Johnsons use it for the Stratford-upon- Avon route.
Yeah fair enough call it the x21 (not to be compared to 921) ;D
Route number duplication doesn't seem to be high on anyone's avoidance list.
If Platinum is such a big thing why aren't routes numbered P1 etc. X is generally considered to indicate limited stop but in the case of route X1 it will call at more stops and I expect it to take longer than Timesaver 900 ever did.
Quote from: JoNi on October 12, 2016, 12:49:58 PM
If Platinum is such a big thing why aren't routes numbered P1 etc. X is generally considered to indicate limited stop but in the case of route X1 it will call at more stops and I expect it to take longer than Timesaver 900 ever did.
Surely X means express, meaning fast.
How many Platinum routes are there?
Quote from: YN63 BYJ on October 12, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
How many Platinum routes are there?
900
957
126
529
X51
997
934/5/6/7
and soon to be
902/4/5
914
Quote from: John on October 12, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
900
957
126
529
X51
997
934/5/6
and soon to be
902/4/5
914
Let's not forget about the X10 and the 966 and potentially the Bristol Road express !
And 937
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 12, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Let's not forget about the X10 and the 966 and potentially the Bristol Road express !
The Bristol Rd express isnt potential, it IS happening. The X61.
Washwood heath road should get one.
Don't forget X9 and X96
Is it actually going to happen or has the 2017 rumours begun!
Expectations of a premium bus service that Platinum doesn't deliver.
Off bus
1) Timetable that details stops on map, city centre diagram and fares
2) Timetables available at key bus stops.
3) Bus stop info in large font easily understandable. No codes
4) Brand emphasised, how many people would know where the platinum goes from if you asked them.
On Bus
5) Attractive livery, heard it described as those grey buses.
6) Halo happy way up
7) Branding with clear headway info, not multiplicity
8 On bus ticketing to state fares not blob
9) Branding with real customers not pair of high heeled shoes
10) Large destinations that constantly show all via points
11) Driver who can speak through assault screen that lowers
12) Hello sign in bus at head height
13) Racks containing leaflets for specific route
14) Seats with comfort on a par with Sapphire
15) Announcements that state "welcome aboard Platinum" at key points
16) Announcements that state route and destination at key points
17) Announcements to alert customers that bus short will terminate short of scheduled destination.
18) Announcements to advise customers of expected journey time to key destinations
19) Stop announcements start after leaving city centre.
20) Announcements to have varied next stop intros.
21) Announcements supplemented by information on connections/attractions at specific stops
22) Announcements that encourage positive behaviour.
23) Consistency between stop announcements, bus stop flag names and timetables.
24) Public address able to be used to alert customers of delays.
25) When bell pushed next stop sign should say "Stopping at....."
26) Clock (with correct time!)
27) On bus route maps to show all stops.
28) Maps to have connections with other Operators routes (in the spirit of Alliance)
29) Map future proofed to avoid going out of date. (900 buses say 12 goes to Warwick University)
30) Internal vinyls with direct messages to miscreants (not police sometimes travel on this bus)
31) Internal vinyls that feature cleaning staff not batman!
32) Internal vinyls encouraging feedback good or bad!
33) Refund/credit when non Platinum bus used on Platinum services.
34) Picture of route manager on bus
35 )Vandalism dealt with as soon as found/reported
36) All services show full rear destination
37) Platinum buses only used on Platinum routes
38) Platinum charter displayed on vehicle.
39) No condensation
Come as standard in the customer experience in other parts of the UK!
Platinum is not a panacea!
Quote from: JoNi on October 12, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
Expectations of a premium bus service that Platinum doesn't deliver.
Off bus
1) Timetable that details stops on map, city centre diagram and fares
2) Timetables available at key bus stops.
3) Bus stop info in large font easily understandable. No codes
4) Brand emphasised, how many people would know where the platinum goes from if you asked them.
On Bus
5) Attractive livery, heard it described as those grey buses.
6) Halo happy way up
7) Branding with clear headway info, not multiplicity
8 On bus ticketing to state fares not blob
9) Branding with real customers not pair of high heeled shoes
10) Large destinations that constantly show all via points
11) Driver who can speak through assault screen that lowers
12) Hello sign in bus at head height
13) Racks containing leaflets for specific route
14) Seats with comfort on a par with Sapphire
15) Announcements that state "welcome aboard Platinum" at key points
16) Announcements that state route and destination at key points
17) Announcements to alert customers that bus short will terminate short of scheduled destination.
18) Announcements to advise customers of expected journey time to key destinations
19) Stop announcements start after leaving city centre.
20) Announcements to have varied next stop intros.
21) Announcements supplemented by information on connections/attractions at specific stops
22) Announcements that encourage positive behaviour.
23) Consistency between stop announcements, bus stop flag names and timetables.
24) Public address able to be used to alert customers of delays.
25) When bell pushed next stop sign should say "Stopping at....."
26) Clock (with correct time!)
27) On bus route maps to show all stops.
28) Maps to have connections with other Operators routes (in the spirit of Alliance)
29) Map future proofed to avoid going out of date. (900 buses say 12 goes to Warwick University)
30) Internal vinyls with direct messages to miscreants (not police sometimes travel on this bus)
31) Internal vinyls that feature cleaning staff not batman!
32) Internal vinyls encouraging feedback good or bad!
33) Refund/credit when non Platinum bus used on Platinum services.
34) Picture of route manager on bus
35 )Vandalism dealt with as soon as found/reported
36) All services show full rear destination
37) Platinum buses only used on Platinum routes
38) Platinum charter displayed on vehicle.
39) No condensation
Come as standard in the customer experience in other parts of the UK!
Platinum is not a panacea!
You make a lot of points about the announcements but after driving platinums the most complaints I've had off passengers are "can you turn them bloody announcements off driver?"
"F*** sake not that commentary again!"
Thats the point bus passengers in the West Midlands aren't encouraged to have higher expectations. I agree with you the announcements could be softer, announcements that are more easy on the ear are usually female. I challenge even the most die hard NX fan to say their ability to communicate is good, after all the first I heard about X routes was on this web forum.
Fair points, personal response to some
1) as per London I suppose, I'd expect it at major stops but then we do have general schematic route maps available at major interchanges, should be rolled out more widespread though
2) and 13) face it they won't last, scum are scum and will scatter them all across the floor at any opportunity
3) my personal gripe with this is the X51 timetables on bus stops that says it runs to Cannock, with a symbol next to all but 2 journeys saying it only runs as far as Walsall (or Bloxwich)
4) not sure how much further it can be emphasised?
5) personal opinion, I know of a lot of "normal" people who like it
6) wtf does this even mean????
7) as in "up to every 10 mins"? Surely that's what they say? No?
8) window just as you're entering the bus
9) and 12) personally I'd find that too cheesey
10), 18), 20) why?
11) they can speak through it, surely? Alas Birmingham being Birmingham it's a safety issue
14) I find the seats comfortable
17), 24) I've heard drivers announce this tbf
19) where would you draw the line though? Because some people get off outbound services as if it were one of the inbound terminal stops (Corporation Street Tesco with the X51'S an example)
22), 30) will just be laughed at by those misbehaving
27) all stops? Apart from the X51 that's going to be too many and so end up in too small writing to be of use. Unless it was as per the 51 once alongside the stairs. I'd say a map with most stops, but not all
29) kind of unavoidable here, bus routes are always changing, just have to keep updating
35) so take a bus out of service?
36) they do already don't they?
38) different to the normal charter?
39) not possible with people who insist on keeping the windows shut when it's the slightest bit nippy
Apology for not responding sooner
1) relates to actual timetable showing all stops on route map and expanded town centres
2) I'm talking about manned places like bus stations and many rail stations have them even in "undesirable" places
3) couldn't agree more with current bus stop displays having numbers for "short workings"
4) Sapphire, Fastway and Gold have far more presence than Platinum
What percentage of people if surveyed would know what platinum meant.
5) It is a love it or hate it livery!
6) A number of people including myself noticed the line around the front destination is the "sad" way up. Might have been put on upside down.
7) 900s have 7 minutes on front 15 and 30 on side, 30 on back. Appreciate service likely to change in December.
9/12) matter of opinion but real passengers set the tone for service (not the yob who was playing loud music on 900!)
10) So that intending passengers can see all major points
18) Wish I had pound for every time someone boarded at Birmingham Airport and asked how long it took to the city centre.
20) You would appreciate it if you encountered it. It cuts the monotony and you develop a sixth sense to where you are!
11) Company policy, but other companies have moveable ones or none at all.
14) Compare Platinum with Fastway, Sapphire and even Timesaver and look at the cushion depth.
17) 24) gives consistency and saves driver having to shout out especially with two decks.
19) Ringroad in Coventry, end of Small Heath By pass on 900.
Understand your point does X51 etc. drive round in a loop with only a hesitation?
22) 30) reflects cultures of dealing with poor performance.
27) Ive seen 80 stops on poster, also ever been on the tube in London.
29) Where you can go rather than route.
35) You can still have free sex on 6704!
36) I've seen number only and certainly when on non platinum routes.
38) yes, look on NX website
39) thats about two panes of glass appreciate it would affect the weight of the vehicle.
Thank you for counter pointing arguments there is always more than one point of view!
Quote from: JoNi on October 12, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
15) Announcements that state "welcome aboard Platinum" at key points
16) Announcements that state route and destination at key points
17) Announcements to alert customers that bus short will terminate short of scheduled destination.
18) Announcements to advise customers of expected journey time to key destinations
21) Announcements supplemented by information on connections/attractions at specific stops
Some good points here. I was surprised how simple the next stop announcements are. I imagined it would be a bit more like train announcements, where connections, service info etc are mentioned.
Would also be good if it told people about upcoming destinations, e.g. when approaching the airport, tell passengers the number of stops to the main airport terminus. As soon as 'airport' is mentioned on the stop announcements, you can guarantee someone gets up to ask the driver where to get off.
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33) Refund/credit when non Platinum bus used on Platinum services.
Don't really understand this tbh, they don't cost any extra so what is there to refund? Should passengers on other routes be charged extra if a platinum turns up?
17) and 24) driver has a mic thats connected to the same announcement system, it's not them just shouting.
Point taken though, the system probably could be connected to what's on the display so if that's showing a short journey or "on diversion" as I've seen some normal services do recently, then potential for the audio to reflect
Very good points being used here. Personally platinum is very good but still has minor faults. The seats will please some, but certainly not me.
Having just completed a trip to Coventry and back, allow me to offer my insights. I like the legroom, its a nice compromise between adequate seating and nice legroom. I can see why people find the announcements annoying as at times I kept hearing them above my headphones ! I personally don't like Platinums going onto other routes but then the argument of better this bus than no bus rings true.
It's a nice upgrade over the current fleet but I just don't see any reason to add more "luxuries" because customers don't really respect what they're already given. My 2 buses (To & From journeys) were both littered. NX aren't at fault, it's those customers who just treat such good service with disrespect.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 13, 2016, 06:32:57 PM
Very good points being used here. Personally platinum is very good but still has minor faults. The seats will please some, but certainly not me.
Nothing ever does please you with NX so why bother moaning. You enjoy the Diamond leather seats instead I prefer half and half seats nx have because they ain'the bloody cold in the winter and sweaty stick and hot in the summer...
Quote from: Chris on October 13, 2016, 07:07:40 PM
Nothing ever does please you with NX so why bother moaning. You enjoy the Diamond leather seats instead I prefer half and half seats nx have because they ain'the bloody cold in the winter and sweaty stick and hot in the summer...
Actually I said platinum was very good as a whole
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 13, 2016, 07:16:12 PM
Actually I said platinum was very good as a whole
Your opinion is void..... you like 4194. Enough said.
Quote from: JoNi on October 12, 2016, 09:56:54 PM
Expectations of a premium bus service that Platinum doesn't deliver.
Off bus
1) Sounds OK
2) Well, that should be there
3) What???
4) ---
5) It's great!
6) What???
7) ---
8) ---
9) OK...
10) ---
11) Keep the screen up then!
12) Bad idea
13) They'll just make the bus messy
14) Great!!!
15) Annoying
16) OK!
17) Great!
18) OK...
19) ---
20) Annoying
21) Annoying
22) Very annoying!
23) Good idea
24) ---
25) Great idea
26) Great!!!
27) Great!!!
28) Too much on a map makes it hard to read
29) Good
30) ---
31) ---
32) Annoying
33) Not much point - a bus is a bus
34) WHAT???
35)Great!!!
36) OK!
37) What about a bus shortage?
38) ---
39) Can't be helped
What I think
I live on the dead mileage route for PB services but unfortunately I still haven't seen any PB allocations actually in service yet?? Where are they? On a recent rush hour jaunt from Wolverhampton to Birmingham (moor st).on the 126 service. via Dudley,( after An hour and a half and a stiff leg).. I saw all bar one of the branded allocations up to 6785 on this service and a few unbranded ones as well.
Quote from: windy miller on October 15, 2016, 04:15:44 PM
I live on the dead mileage route for PB services but unfortunately I still haven't seen any PB allocations actually in service yet?? Where are they? On a recent rush hour jaunt from Wolverhampton to Birmingham (moor st).on the 126 service. via Dudley,( after An hour and a half and a stiff leg).. I saw all bar one of the branded allocations up to 6785 on this service and a few unbranded ones as well.
6799 was in the City Centre on the 902 at about 12:50 today.
4 at least were out today
Are BC's Platinums due before the end of the year ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 15, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
Are BC's Platinums due before the end of the year ?
As BC's existing Platinum's are being de-branded, I would expect the first of BC's new Platinum's may be imminent, they might be following on the production line that has just completed WN's batch, thus deliveries to PB & BC may run in tandem
How many more platinums are left to arrive at Park Lane
Quote from: Solo1 on October 16, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
How many more platinums are left to arrive at Park Lane
The only two I haven't seen reports of on delivery or arrived at WN for are 6791 & 6795, but I suspect that they are both already there by now.
Quote from: Winston on October 16, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
The only two I haven't seen reports of on delivery or arrived at WN for are 6791 & 6795, but I suspect that they are both already there by now.
6795 is showing as taxed, 6791 isn't
How long before the remaining platinums enter service 6790 to 95
Quote from: Solo1 on October 16, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
How long before the remaining platinums enter service 6790 to 95
6790 is already in service
Quote from: Solo1 on October 16, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
How long before the remaining platinums enter service 6790 to 95
6790 and 6792 are already in service.
The X61 that's being introduced soon - is this a replacement for, or in addition to the 61?
I thought it might have been the 63 that had a limited stop variant, with it covering much more of the faster Bristol Rd South to Frankley, and serving the redeveloped Longbridge and Rubery village.
At some point or another all of the original 61/62/63 routes will have had a limited stop variant.
Quote from: James4368 on October 17, 2016, 08:45:20 AM
Any Platinums out on the Suttons today?
They won't be sitting in the garage doing nothing
Quote from: John on October 17, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
They won't be sitting in the garage doing nothing
Really never thought of that genius 😂
Quote from: Nxwm on October 17, 2016, 11:46:51 AM
Really never thought of that genius 😂
Well if the first 6 have already been out and ex Suttons going to WB work that out genius...😂
had my first experience of travelling on a platinum this morning on the 126 6785 i think. very impressed with them. the only thing i didn't like was the announcements were a bit loud.
Quote from: wbdriver on October 17, 2016, 01:18:01 PM
had my first experience of travelling on a platinum this morning on the 126 6785 i think. very impressed with them. the only thing i didn't like was the announcements were a bit loud.
Also had my first experience on 6776 I think and the announcements were a bit loud I also thought. Any ideas who's voice it is? Very good overall, can't tell the voith from the zf gearbox, and I think there is a way of overriding stop start
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 17, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
Also had my first experience on 6776 I think and the announcements were a bit loud I also thought. Any ideas who's voice it is? Very good overall, can't tell the voith from the zf gearbox, and I think there is a way of overriding stop start
As far as I'm aware it is the driver speaking for example if you heard a man speaking and a man was driving it would be the driver. If it was a women and a women was driving the same. Whereas If a man was driving and a women spoke it is computed generated.
Also what was the point in Platinumising the 529 if it goes Wolverhampton to Walsall I think it would make more sense to Platinumise the 79 it goes further than the 529 from Wolvo to West Brom
It's not the driver and it's not computer generated speech as such. They are pre recorded by real people. For example Phil Upton on the 22 and 23 in Birmingham.
Length of route also has nothing to do with which routes should and shouldn't be Platinum.
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 17, 2016, 04:37:35 PM
As far as I'm aware it is the driver speaking for example if you heard a man speaking and a man was driving it would be the driver. If it was a women and a women was driving the same. Whereas If a man was driving and a women spoke it is computed generated.
Why does a men never drive?
I guess it's all those women drivers!
6805 entered service today. Done the 757 and a 904/5 this afternoon
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 17, 2016, 04:37:35 PM
As far as I'm aware it is the driver speaking
Oh jesus christ, so every driver has the same voice?
Quote from: Dom on October 17, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
Oh jesus christ, so every driver has the same voice?
The one on BC hybrids are much better than this guy.
Quote from: Dom on October 17, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
Oh jesus christ, so every driver has the same voice?
Haha, I wouldn't even know half the stops. Next stop is "just after the traffic lights"
The next stop is "by the motorway bridge " lol
Just moaning for the sake of moaning and nit picking as per.
After five years (next month) of next stop annoucements, various voices and services. I still don't see the issue, can sometimes feel weird without them, especially on the 1.
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 17, 2016, 04:37:35 PM
As far as I'm aware it is the driver speaking for example if you heard a man speaking and a man was driving it would be the driver. If it was a women and a women was driving the same. Whereas If a man was driving and a women spoke it is computed generated.
Also what was the point in Platinumising the 529 if it goes Wolverhampton to Walsall I think it would make more sense to Platinumise the 79 it goes further than the 529 from Wolvo to West Brom
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femoticoner.com%2Ffiles%2Femoticons%2Fsmiley_faces%2Flaughbounce3-smiley-face.gif&hash=c1db97f6ac55d589bd9aba5889cec098e646a858) You've obviously never travelled on any bus with talking announcements.
As for 'Platinumising', its nothing to do with the length of the route, but its role within the network as a whole. The Platinum routes are those operating along key corridors connecting key areas, Wolverhampton to Walsall, Wolverhampton to Birmingham, Birmingham to Walsall, Birmingham to Coventry etc.
If length was the main factor for making a route into Platinum, AG would be due a sizeable order to replace roughly a 1/3 of the fleet ;)
I find it theirs become quite a bit of nit picking in regards to these Platinum buses, their a clear upgrade over the E400s they've succeeded to no cost to the end passenger. If you don't like the announcements, might I suggest head/earphones. I use them and it makes the journey all the more pleasant not to mention these announcements help announce key stops along the journey.
6773 has a different stop start to the others, it shuts down when the handbrake is applied in general, a driver friend of mine demonstrated this to me yesterday.
6794 on the 529 today.
Quote from: Stu on October 17, 2016, 08:06:26 PM
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femoticoner.com%2Ffiles%2Femoticons%2Fsmiley_faces%2Flaughbounce3-smiley-face.gif&hash=c1db97f6ac55d589bd9aba5889cec098e646a858) You've obviously never travelled on any bus with talking announcements.
As for 'Platinumising', its nothing to do with the length of the route, but its role within the network as a whole. The Platinum routes are those operating along key corridors connecting key areas, Wolverhampton to Walsall, Wolverhampton to Birmingham, Birmingham to Walsall, Birmingham to Coventry etc.
I have travelled on the X51 but announcements were switched off but visually I could see them
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 18, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
announcements were switched off but visually I could see them
How do other bus users like to see announcements? Me, I prefer to visually taste and smell them. ;D
Quote from: BusFan94 on October 18, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
I have travelled on the X51 but announcements were switched off but visually I could see them
Which is pretty useless if you're blind or partially sighted.
Once you get used to all public transport having announcements and displays (as you would be if travelling in some regions now such as London) it would be second nature, a bit like the start/stop technology. I don't understand the reluctance with these things - although they're obviously not intended for local bus enthusiasts who may know the routes inside out anyway.
Any more new on latest deliveries or despatches from ADL?
6795 on the 126 today
I don't notice them in London and very useful being new to west London so "useful" and a modern approach
6731 being towed up Stafford Street towards Walsall garage now.
Is Walsall slightly short of Platinums at the moment, as I spotted a red & white E400 on the X51 tonight?
Quote from: Westy on October 24, 2016, 07:10:43 PM
Is Walsall slightly short of Platinums at the moment, as I spotted a red & white E400 on the X51 tonight?
I'm sure I read on here that they have 40 buses for 40 boards so if 1 is unavailable (i.e engineering related issue and so on) an E400 will be used. When BC get their new Platinums, I believe 1 of them (6718 I think to keep the fleet numbers uniform) will make its way to WA.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
I'm sure I read on here that they have 40 buses for 40 boards so if 1 is unavailable (i.e engineering related issue and so on) an E400 will be used. When BC get their new Platinums, I believe 1 of them (6718 I think to keep the fleet numbers uniform) will make its way to WA.
It's been confirmed by an AG driver that Walsall will not receive 1 Platinum from Birmingham Central. 6701-6710 are going to Acocks Green for the 966 and the rest to Pensnett.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 24, 2016, 07:53:41 PM
It's been confirmed by an AG driver that Walsall will not receive 1 Platinum from Birmingham Central. 6701-6710 are going to Acocks Green for the 966 and the rest to Pensnett.
6709/17 to pn I thought
So it looks like the 960 isn't happening then, at least not this year. :-\
So where does this leave the 966? My understanding was that it would be the 'new' shortened version (Chelmsley Wood to Solihull) that would be Platinum, but so far I haven't seen anything more about this.
Will be great if the 900 and 957 (sorry X1 and X2!) get a frequency increase though, even without the 960.
Most interesting.
It's been said in a previous post that AG will be getting 10 Platinums so a shortened 966 doesn't likely unless I'm mistaken and it has a high PVR.
Do we know more about the X61 as in the route itself and so on, will it follow the 61 route but less stops served ?
With the new X1 replacing the 900 and X2 replacing the 957, I have some questions ?
1. Will the variant on service X1 to Coleshill Heath Road be X1A ?
2. Will the combined frequency of every 7-8 minutes be increased ?
3. Will the X1 run 24 hours and will it be on full route or City to Airport only ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
Most interesting.
It's been said in a previous post that AG will be getting 10 Platinums so a shortened 966 doesn't likely unless I'm mistaken and it has a high PVR.
Do we know more about the X61 as in the route itself and so on, will it follow the 61 route but less stops served ?
Believe that 6701-6708 to AG = 8 6709-6717 to PN and 6718 to Walsall wasn't it?
Quote from: karl724223 on October 24, 2016, 07:56:38 PM
6709/17 to pn I thought
Apparently not, according to that driver, 6711-6718 would go to Pensnett. Will wait and see what happens.
Quote from: Chris on October 24, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
Believe that 6701-6708 to AG = 8 6709-6717 to PN and 6718 to Walsall wasn't it?
I didn't read anywhere which Platinums would be transferring to three garages. Could you show me, please?
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 24, 2016, 09:07:43 PM
I didn't read anywhere which Platinums would be transferring to three garages. Could you show me, please?
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
Platinum Article here:
http://www.busandcoachbuyer.com/platinum-black-country/
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 08:07:24 PM
Most interesting.
It's been said in a previous post that AG will be getting 10 Platinums so a shortened 966 doesn't likely unless I'm mistaken and it has a high PVR.
Do we know more about the X61 as in the route itself and so on, will it follow the 61 route but less stops served ?
So this talk of a extended 966 (x72) serving the city and Bromford, does have some scope then. ( Would that be a 3rd upgrade for the 72 in as many years).
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 25, 2016, 02:36:45 AM
So this talk of a extended 966 (x72) serving the city and Bromford, does have some scope then. ( Would that be a 3rd upgrade for the 72 in as many years).
I was thinking 10 Platinums seems high for a shortened version of the 966 or potentially even the full route but if it was City - Bromford - Chelmsley Wood - Airport - Solihull then 10 does seem about right if that is the proposed X72.
In the recent changes were X61 was introduced, the 960 and X72 weren't mentioned so that makes you wonder (Well me anyway).
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 25, 2016, 02:43:58 AM
I was thinking 10 Platinums seems high for a shortened version of the 966 or potentially even the full route but if it was City - Bromford - Chelmsley Wood - Airport - Solihull then 10 does seem about right if that is the proposed X72.
In the recent changes were X61 was introduced, the 960 and X72 weren't mentioned so that makes you wonder (Well me anyway).
As far as I'm aware, 8 are going to AG, 9 to PE and 1 to WA.
Who is this driver that someone's spoken to at AG?
Will the X14/914 gain it's own branding or will it just use the generic platinum branding?
I saw route 900 Platinum MMCs in COventry on Saturday. The route board with its LEDs are great!
Another £10 quids worth of NX vouchers due to validator not working on 6718.
Quote from: JoNi on October 27, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Another £10 quids worth of NX vouchers due to validator not working on 6718.
You're turning into the Bob of Coventry
Quote from: JoNi on October 27, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
Another £10 quids worth of NX vouchers due to validator not working on 6718.
What's a validator?
Well fair play for the vouchers, but I think I'd rather NX spent the £10 on fixing the card reader!
HaHa . Love the comparison with Bob especially as I'm a great fan of Arriva in certain parts of country, and I'm envious of Sapphire bus users when able to make direct comparisons with Platinum.
I've always used validator because it's giving me authority to travel. I recently boarded an NX bus that said no product loaded as the incorrect "shire" fare stage set couldn't relate to my nBus product.
Personally I'd rather see Operators/WMCA making a publicised donation to charity for each justified complaint!
Quote from: JoNi on October 28, 2016, 04:38:16 PM
HaHa . Love the comparison with Bob especially as I'm a great fan of Arriva in certain parts of country, and I'm envious of Sapphire bus users when able to make direct comparisons with Platinum.
I've always used validator because it's giving me authority to travel. I recently boarded an NX bus that said no product loaded as the incorrect "shire" fare stage set couldn't relate to my nBus product.
Personally I'd rather see Operators/WMCA making a publicised donation to charity for each justified complaint!
Sorry I don't understand what you complained about? Was the card reader not working? As when it's not working you just show the driver your card and you can manually input it on the Wayfarer. Why would you complain about that or am I missing something ?
Quote from: MW on October 28, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
Sorry I don't understand what you complained about? Was the card reader not working? As when it's not working you just show the driver your card and you can manually input it on the Wayfarer. Why would you complain about that or am I missing something ?
The first Swift card I had failed completely. A meeting was arranged with the Swift team after I encountered difficulties obtaining a refund for unused credit. They advised me to report any subsequent failures encountered.
6702 is on the 666 tonight, is that a PA system installed in the cab ?
Quote from: pndriver on October 31, 2016, 08:22:21 PM
6702 is on the 666 tonight, is that a PA system installed in the cab ?
All the Platinums have it as far as I'm aware
6817 was parked behind the NEC earlier this evening, no doubt in readiness for the Euro Bus Expo show.
I have now put all the registrations to the end of the batch on the main site, although they seem to be taking their time to actually appear
Looks as though PB are now having an extra 3 Platinum's, with BC now due 30.
So do we know if the new 61 replacement will be Platinum or was that just an assumption?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 01, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
So do we know if the new 61 replacement will be Platinum or was that just an assumption?
If you mean the X61, yes been told it will be Platinum.
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
Looks as though PB are now having an extra 3 Platinum's, with BC now due 30.
29 buses for 30 running boards. Unless the school boards will not get Platinum buses
Quote from: John on November 02, 2016, 11:15:16 AM
29 buses for 30 running boards. Unless the school boards will not get Platinum buses
I assume like you say, it will be the school board that go without Platinum buses when there are insufficient available
Quote from: Winston on November 02, 2016, 12:21:54 PM
I assume like you say, it will be the school board that go without Platinum buses when there are insufficient available
BC will have spare
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
BC will have spare
But I thought looking at your latest NXWM fleetlist updates, PB have since gained 6822-4 which were originally earmarked for BC.
But the 30 running boards is incorrect
I think John may be referring to running boards at PB, not BC?
I wonder if the 934, 935, 936, 937 and 997 will be renumbered in 2017 into the X series.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 05, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
I wonder if the 934, 935, 936, 937 and 997 will be renumbered in 2017 into the X series.
Numbered X34-37/X52 perhaps?
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 05, 2016, 07:57:41 PM
Numbered X34-37/X52 perhaps?
Doubt it, as there is already an X35...
Granted, it's infrequent, but it would still cross with the 935 at Walsall
Quote from: Alex on November 05, 2016, 07:59:06 PM
Doubt it, as there is already an X35...
Granted, it's infrequent, but it would still cross with the 935 at Walsall
Ok how about 934-7 becoming X54, X55, X56, X57 and 997, 997E becoming X77 and X78
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 05, 2016, 08:07:44 PM
Ok how about 934-7 becoming X54, X55, X56, X57 and 997, 997E becoming X77 and X78
Why a different number for the 997E?
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2016, 08:20:03 PM
Why a different number for the 997E?
997's coming from Walsall do not serve The Deers Leap on journeys to Birmingham.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 05, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
997's coming from Walsall do not serve The Deers Leap on journeys to Birmingham.
I think he meant, why X77 not X97 etc etc....
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 05, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
997's coming from Walsall do not serve The Deers Leap on journeys to Birmingham.
Seems unlikely that'd happen though. The X1 shorts will serve Birmingham Buisness Park and X1s to/from Coventry will not and both are being numbered X1.
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2016, 11:05:57 PM
Can't see that happening though. The X1 shorts will serve Birmingham Birmingham Park and X1s to/from Coventry will not and both are being numbered X1.
Which won't last, remember they did that with the 97, buses showed 97 whether travelling to via the Chelmsley Loop or Airport or to Pine Square only. Passengers got confused so eventually the Chelmsley Loop stayed as 97, Airport became 97A and Pine Sqaure only became 97P.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 13, 2016, 11:12:55 PM
Which won't last, remember they did that with the 97, buses showed 97 whether travelling to via the Chelmsley Loop or Airport or to Pine Square only. Passengers got confused so eventually the Chelmsley Loop stayed as 97, Airport became 97A and Pine Sqaure only became 97P.
Has the 97p been discontinued ? I live off the route and I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen it.
There's no different numbers for the X51's to Bloxwich and Cannock, nor the Boney Hay extension to the 937
Don't really see why the X1 needs a different number for Business Park runs.
If it were a different route along the way (as in the current 900A journeys or the evening/Sunday 937A) then fair enough
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 13, 2016, 11:18:02 PM
Has the 97p been discontinued ? I live off the route and I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen it.
I hadn't seen one for ages (I don't live on the route but use it fairly regularly) but i saw one in the city last Monday just before the evening rush hour.
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2016, 07:28:41 AM
There's no different numbers for the X51's to Bloxwich and Cannock, nor the Boney Hay extension to the 937
Don't really see why the X1 needs a different number for Business Park runs.
If it were a different route along the way (as in the current 900A journeys or the evening/Sunday 937A) then fair enough
There was no difference between the 141 to Pensnett and the 141 to merry hill. Same as there's no difference with the X10
On another subject could the x3 be being saved for a 960 equivalent when they finally do the postponed east Brum network review??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 14, 2016, 06:38:02 PM
On another subject could the x3 be being saved for a 960 equivalent when they finally do the postponed east Brum network review??
No. The 902 is being renumbered X3.
Oh year dur on my part
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2016, 06:40:37 PM
No. The 902 is being renumbered X3.
I really wish they'd leave the route numbers the f**k ALONE. Waste of time and needless confusion. Tossers.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 14, 2016, 06:52:22 PM
I really wish they'd leave the route numbers the f**k ALONE. Waste of time and needless confusion. Tossers.
I agree it doesn't seem all that long ago that they went from 102/4/5/14 to 902/4/5/14 so it seems pointless to me for this X* numbering system. Really NXWM should just leave them as they are, but NXWM/TfWM will do what they deem fit with the route numbers
I have to say the national express marketing team are pretty crap shouldn't they be pushing these changes in peoples faces by now and offering free trials, making sure people know about it. I thought my marketing team were crap.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 14, 2016, 07:01:21 PM
I agree it doesn't seem all that long ago that they went from 102/4/5/14 to 902/4/5/14 so it seems pointless to me for this X* numbering system. Really NXWM should just leave them as they are, but NXWM/TfWM will do what they deem fit with the route numbers
Not sure about the 114. But the 102/4/5 changed almost 17 years ago. So it has been quite a while. But I am in agreement that I don't like route number changes and lack of promotion. 4th December is going to be very confusing for many people.
Hope they've got the leaflets ready?
Notice Walsall has run out of the 902 etc leaflet already!
Quote from: Gareth on November 14, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
Not sure about the 114. But the 102/4/5 changed almost 17 years ago. So it has been quite a while. But I am in agreement that I don't like route number changes and lack of promotion. 4th December is going to be very confusing for many people.
I agree, these service changes are going to be very confusing for many.
Back in 1960s Midland Red ran some Limited Stop services radiating from Birmingham - I recall an X8 Birmingham to Walsall and there was another to Hasbury. So this approach does have its precedents - most of the X services linked beyond the County Boundary however - such as to Bewdley, Redditch etc.
Quote from: don on November 15, 2016, 12:48:11 AM
Back in 1960s Midland Red ran some Limited Stop services radiating from Birmingham - I recall an X8 Birmingham to Walsall and there was another to Hasbury. So this approach does have its precedents - most of the X services linked beyond the County Boundary however - such as to Bewdley, Redditch etc.
Yep
The X5/X6/X7 all ran through or to Redditch then on to Evesham. With NXWM going down this road it makes hard for the old MR/MRW route numbers to be revived if an operator wanted to at any point.
6825-8 out on 957 today.
Quote from: filbus1 on November 16, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
6825-8 out on 957 today.
6825 (SN66WEK) on 12:07 from Solihull
6826 (SN66WEO) on 12:37 from Solihull
Quote from: filbus1 on November 16, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
6825-8 out on 957 today.
They are getting them out fasssst now!
Remember when BC had new buses in the past they would take an eternity to enter service.
6711 parked up at BC with X10 branding. It's no surprise that the colour of it is green.
Quote from: Nathan on November 16, 2016, 03:04:00 PM
6711 parked up at BC with X10 branding. It's no surprise that the colour of it is green.
Oh dear, not again!!
Did spot Centro in my area this afternoon after getting off 6826
Applying new bus stop signs to the shelters : 60 , X1 , X2
Quote from: James4368 on November 16, 2016, 07:06:04 PM
Did spot Centro in my area this afternoon after getting off 6826
Applying new bus stop signs to the shelters : 60 , X1 , X2
Blue/white flags, or the black ones?
Quote from: Stu on November 16, 2016, 07:22:32 PM
Blue/white flags, or the black ones?
X1s in Sheldon seem to be Blue/white
I got out bed, half asleep
On Monday at 7am boarded S stock District line train and was immediately wide awake.
Today at 7am boarded 6703 and only fully woke up when the bus didn't go via Small Heath by pass without warning!
Quote from: JoNi on November 17, 2016, 10:48:15 AM
Today at 7am boarded 6703 and only fully woke up when the bus didn't go via Small Heath by pass without warning!
What difference does it make??? It doesn't stop along Small Heath bypass anyway... ::)
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 11:34:02 AM
What difference does it make??? It doesn't stop along Small Heath bypass anyway... ::)
The point was about the differance the interior can make to ones state of mind. I wonder how much anti social behaviour on NX buses is caused by drabness of their vehicles!
Idiots are only idiots because of the interior decor?
What a pathetic criticism
www.nxplatinum.com
Any more x10 buses spotted yet
@Nathan
Platinum gets the X factor, bi cringey isnt it!?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/platinum-services-get-the-x-factor
I know the frequencies, route maps and via points are often wrong on the NX site, but it's a bit poor that the frequencies are wrong on a brand new service:
http://nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/BX61/?timetable[day]=&tab=
This further emphasises my thoughts on their marketing department pmsl. "Cringe" indeed.
Quote from: Dom on November 17, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
Platinum gets the X factor, bi cringey isnt it!?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/platinum-services-get-the-x-factor
The fact that they don't appear to proof read any of their articles before publishing them is most certainly cringeworthy.
I would blame a placement student. The timetable part on the X61 timetable ; states x62 above it. Also where is the explanation of the extension to the Eastside. I'm assuming they rushed it through and will finish it tomorrow. You would think anyway.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 17, 2016, 06:49:10 PM
I would blame a placement student. The timetable part on the X61 timetable ; states x62 above it. Also where is the explanation of the extension to the Eastside. I'm assuming they rushed it through and will finish it tomorrow. You would think anyway.
It was this error strewn sentence that caught my eye:
"
In addition to some existing services are changing numbers, we are also introducing a brand new Platinum buses for our Bristol Road customers"
My attention to detail is not great, so needed it pointing out. That is really quite bad though. They have time to redeem ;)
Quote from: Mike K on November 17, 2016, 06:55:24 PM
It was this error strewn sentence that caught my eye:
"In addition to some existing services are changing numbers, we are also introducing a brand new Platinum buses for our Bristol Road customers"
It would have made sense if they'd finished the sentence with 'innit bro'. 8)
I think the X10 should have a Black Country accent doing the stop then the brummys still wouldn't have a clue what we're saying
Quote from: Dom on November 17, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
Platinum gets the X factor, bi cringey isnt it!?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/platinum-services-get-the-x-factor
No mention of the X10 or 966 there either.
Quote from: Stu on November 17, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
No mention of the X10 or 966 there either.
I suppose the X10 already "has the X factor" and in regards to the 966, is it really an express service ?
Quote from: Stu on November 17, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
No mention of the X10 or 966 there either.
Because they aren't changing to X routes from Sunday 4th December?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 17, 2016, 07:35:38 PM
I suppose the X10 already "has the X factor" and in regards to the 966, is it really an express service ?
Quote from: 2206 on November 17, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
Because they aren't changing to X routes from Sunday 4th December?
But they are both going to become Platinum routes. And now the new buses are arriving at BC, and some are already being prepped for the X10, why can't they be ready for 4th December?
966 I believe the east brum changes have been postponed guess it will be part of that. Mind you they can't even get the details behind the these changes right yet, let alone future ones.
There isn't a need to mention the x10 or the 966 in that article. It's about routes that are changing their numbers into the X series on 4th December. The X61 is mentioned as it a new platinum route on that day. The X10 changed months ago and the 966 isn't changing its number.
So the X61 will be having a new terminus, what's the point in it being separated from the 63? Surely move them both and free up Carrs Lane a bit?
Is 6791 back at pl and in service yet?
6833 has left Falkirk today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/30289464973/
Quote from: John on November 18, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
6833 has left Falkirk today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/30289464973/
Wander if they will all come in time for Dec 4th?
Quote from: John on November 18, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
6833 has left Falkirk today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/30289464973/
Seeing 6831 behind seems strange. I still remember the 'proper' one as a child, with its unique interior. Such a shame it didn't survive.
Was just reading the Volvo B5LH brochure.
A Platinum Hybrid with that chassis would be very interesting. I wonder if we'll ever see any Platinum Hybrids.
Quote from: John on November 18, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
6833 has left Falkirk today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/30289464973/
6831 as well:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/31060991316/in/photostream/
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 19, 2016, 07:58:56 AM
6831 as well:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/31060991316/in/photostream/
'Travel West Midlands' on the display - if only!
Is the 900 normally rammed between City & Nec?
Quote from: Westy on November 19, 2016, 01:49:24 PM
Is the 900 normally rammed between City & Nec?
Yes from my experiences
Quote from: Westy on November 19, 2016, 01:49:24 PM
Is the 900 normally rammed between City & Nec?
Whenever there's something big on at the NEC (so quite often), then yes
Quote from: Kevin on November 19, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
Whenever there's something big on at the NEC (so quite often), then yes
Ah, I went to Comic Con with my sister.
Very weird & wonderful.
Quote from: Westy on November 19, 2016, 05:06:20 PM
Ah, I went to Comic Con with my sister.
Very weird & wonderful.
The motorcycle show was also on too
both of my journeys from and to NEC was packed
It and the 97A are going to busy next Saturday as Free Radio Live, featuring Olly Murs, Busted, Little Mix, Craig David and Professor Green amongst others are going to be performing at the Genting.
Can't wait!!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 19, 2016, 07:03:53 PM
It and the 97A are going to busy next Saturday as Free Radio Live, featuring Olly Murs, Busted, Little Mix, Craig David and Professor Green amongst others are going to be performing at the Genting.
Can't wait!!!
Gutted. I'm going to the Warley on Saturday. Already dreading the hordes of teeny-boppers. Lol.
The radio station was a lot better when it was Beacon & Wabc in my opinion!
Tend to listen to the Am(Dab) side rather than the current stuff nowadays!
Quote from: Westy on November 20, 2016, 01:23:37 AM
The radio station was a lot better when it was Beacon & Wabc in my opinion!
Tend to listen to the Am(Dab) side rather than the current stuff nowadays!
Couldn't blame you can't stand that Justin Bieber, Ellie Golding stuff I only listen to rap music, Pharrell Williams Happy, BBC WM for the Baggies games and BBC Radio 5 live for any other Football the modern crap is just awful. Especially when young girls were singing Justin Bieber songs really loud on the 79 just put in my earphones and listened to some Rap.
Quote from: BusFan94 on November 20, 2016, 10:58:25 AM
Couldn't blame you can't stand that Justin Bieber, Ellie Golding stuff I only listen to rap music, Pharrell Williams Happy, BBC WM for the Baggies games and BBC Radio 5 live for any other Football the modern crap is just awful. Especially when young girls were singing Justin Bieber songs really loud on the 79 just put in my earphones and listened to some Rap.
Since when has that been rap ?
6711/6712/6713/6714 all on the X10 today
Quote from: pndriver on November 20, 2016, 11:49:07 AM
Since when has that been rap ?
I think he's associating skin colour with rap...
I'm not I meant to say the only Pop music I listen to is Parnell Williams Happy.
Quote from: BusFan94 on November 20, 2016, 10:58:25 AM
Couldn't blame you can't stand that Justin Bieber, Ellie Golding stuff I only listen to rap music, Pharrell Williams Happy, BBC WM for the Baggies games and BBC Radio 5 live for any other Football the modern crap is just awful. Especially when young girls were singing Justin Bieber songs really loud on the 79 just put in my earphones and listened to some Rap.
Give me Free Radio80's(The old WABC!) & Gold(If you're heading in the right direction, as it's only on the Brum DAB transmitter round here!) anyday!
(Smooth also, if I'm really desparate!)
Quote from: Westy on November 20, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Give me Free Radio80's(The old WABC!) & Gold(If you're heading in the right direction, as it's only on the Brum DAB transmitter round here!) anyday!
(Smooth also, if I'm really desparate!)
Are these wireless stations for young people? I manage with BBC Radios 2,3, and mostly 4 myself!
Quote from: Westy on November 20, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Give me Free Radio80's(The old WABC!) & Gold(If you're heading in the right direction, as it's only on the Brum DAB transmitter round here!) anyday!
(Smooth also, if I'm really desparate!)
DAB? Whats that?
Give me my FM/AM only radio any day
The X61 is to be coloured in a blue similar to Arriva's base colour.
http://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 22, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
The X61 is to be coloured in a blue similar to Arriva's base colour.
http://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
How come the 900s aren't X routes on the website?
And what are those two "coming soon" routes?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 22, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
How come the 900s aren't X routes on the website?
And what are those two "coming soon" routes?
966 is one I presume.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 22, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
How come the 900s aren't X routes on the website?
Because the numbers have not changed yet. Having the X numbers on there before the 4th December will confuse people
Quote from: John on November 22, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Because the numbers have not changed yet. Having the X numbers on there before the 4th December will confuse people
People will be more confused when the route numbers change on 4th December if they haven't been publicised properly.
Quote from: John on November 22, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Because the numbers have not changed yet. Having the X numbers on there before the 4th December will confuse people
But neither has the 61 and that is on there.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 22, 2016, 09:03:45 PM
But neither has the 61 and that is on there.
The X61 is a new service, whereas the X1/2 are just the renumbering of a current service
Unless the 63 is moving to Eastside too, I personally feel that loadings will be quite slim on the X61 and the 63 will become overcrowded.
Quote from: Gareth on November 22, 2016, 10:30:33 PM
Unless the 63 is moving to Eastside too, I personally feel that loadings will be quite slim on the X61 and the 63 will become overcrowded.
Agreed, it would seem strange to have different terminal points in the city, it was tried with the X62 and that never worked. Maybe the 63 will move.
Quote from: Mike K on November 22, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
Agreed, it would seem strange to have different terminal points in the city, it was tried with the X62 and that never worked. Maybe the 63 will move.
The X61 will still stop at Moor St and New St and Smallbrook Qway which it will share with the 63, 98 and X64.
So 6830, 32 and 33 are out today. I hope 6834 - 54 will arrive before 4th Dec....
I saw 6832 0n the 957 today and it has no branding at all. I think the branding on 6825-8 leaves no room for route branding.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 23, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
I saw 6832 0n the 957 today and it has no branding at all. I think the branding on 6825-8 leaves no room for route branding.
Those four look like they'll just carry generic Platinum branding, as 6701/6702 and 6716-8 do.
Something I've just noticed.
PB 6819 has branding on the front window for "Unlimited bus travel in the Black Country..."
None of PBs routes let alone Platinum go into the black country so curious why this would even be put on. Maybe other buses this side of the region have it as well I've just never seen it
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
Something I've just noticed.
PB 6819 has branding on the front window for "Unlimited bus travel in the Black Country..."
None of PBs routes let alone Platinum go into the black country so curious why this would even be put on. Maybe other buses this side of the region have it as well I've just never seen it
I've just been looking at the NX travelcard zone map:
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/maps/travelcardareasmap-01.jpg
If Little Aston is covered by the Black Country travelcard, would Hill Hook be also? If so, then it's technically correct, but it does seem strange to advertise it when it only serves a tiny bit of the Black Country area.
I believe that the 902 terminus is inside the West Midlands county boundary as shown on that map and therefore it doesn't cross into Black Country travelcard territory.
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
Something I've just noticed.
PB 6819 has branding on the front window for "Unlimited bus travel in the Black Country..."
None of PBs routes let alone Platinum go into the black country so curious why this would even be put on. Maybe other buses this side of the region have it as well I've just never seen it
The 77 goes into the Black Country.
Quote from: 2206 on November 26, 2016, 11:28:20 AM
The 77 goes into the Black Country.
Didn't know the 77 was a platinum route...
Quote from: Dom on November 26, 2016, 11:40:42 AM
Didn't know the 77 was a platinum route...
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2016, 10:07:04 AM
None of PBs routes let alone Platinum go into the black country so curious why this would even be put on.
Its not, but he said none of PBs routes go into the black country. The 77 goes to Walsall which is in the Black Country.
Quote from: 2206 on November 26, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
Its not, but he said none of PBs routes go into the black country. The 77 goes to Walsall which is in the Black Country.
That will open up a can of worms whether Walsall is in the Black Country or not!
When the 77 was at Walsall, it did use spare Platinums at times.
Is there now spare Platinums at Perry Barr for this to continue?
I suspect not as I've only seen standard vehicles on the 77 since the change.
Where do Walsall's spare Platinums go now, or is there no such thing as a spare Platinum these days at Walsall?
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
That will open up a can of worms whether Walsall is in the Black Country or not!
When the 77 was at Walsall, it did use spare Platinums at times.
Is there now spare Platinums at Perry Barr for this to continue?
I suspect not as I've only seen standard vehicles on the 77 since the change.
Where do Walsall's spare Platinums go now, or is there no such thing as a spare Platinum these days at Walsall?
I've sent them on the 7 in Walsall on Saturdays
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
That will open up a can of worms whether Walsall is in the Black Country or not!
When the 77 was at Walsall, it did use spare Platinums at times.
Is there now spare Platinums at Perry Barr for this to continue?
I suspect not as I've only seen standard vehicles on the 77 since the change.
Where do Walsall's spare Platinums go now, or is there no such thing as a spare Platinum these days at Walsall?
At least 3 Platinums on the 6/7 today, had 6754 from Sutton to Walsall. The one I saw on the 7 was a 934 etc branded on I think.
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2016, 02:27:23 PM
That will open up a can of worms whether Walsall is in the Black Country or not!
When the 77 was at Walsall, it did use spare Platinums at times.
Is there now spare Platinums at Perry Barr for this to continue?
I suspect not as I've only seen standard vehicles on the 77 since the change.
Where do Walsall's spare Platinums go now, or is there no such thing as a spare Platinum these days at Walsall?
On a Saturday their probably is a spare Platinum lying around due to the lower PVR compared to Mon - Fri which is why in the past at WA they were at times found on the 77.
I find myself conflicted on a issue. I feel as though Platinum buses should be strictly for Platinum routes but then again its the age old argument, your lucky to get a bus at all and I suppose if your waiting for a bus to turn up, a Platinum bus isn't a bad consolation.
Quote from: 2206 on November 26, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
Its not, but he said none of PBs routes go into the black country. The 77 goes to Walsall which is in the Black Country.
Touchée. Forgot PB ran that now
The 377 was a prime route or what ever they called it when they upgraded the 1 , 451 @ 997 etc . Could it be related
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 26, 2016, 02:57:00 PM
On a Saturday their probably is a spare Platinum lying around due to the lower PVR compared to Mon - Fri which is why in the past at WA they were at times found on the 77.
I find myself conflicted on a issue. I feel as though Platinum buses should be strictly for Platinum routes but then again its the age old argument, your lucky to get a bus at all and I suppose if your waiting for a bus to turn up, a Platinum bus isn't a bad consolation.
They may aswell use them after spending £230k instead of having them sat around idle on a saturday
Don't know if reported elsewhere but I noticed yesterday that 6832 has been named Ronnie Morgan. Well done NXWM very nice touch!
Dave
6825 , 6832 and 6839 are out on 900 today
Rode on 6834 on X1.
Surprisingly brighter inside without the black cove adverts and no advert over rear windows on both decks.
Next stop info showing National Express West Midlands.
Only realised there is a Platinum website when I read notice in Carrs Lane stating X63 doesn't stop here.
Well I guess that the Bristol rd have had new buses, it's got to be East Brum's turn again soon. I only say this has Bristol rd got new buses same time as the original x62/64 came out then 72 got the upgrade.If by the time I move back there might be an X72 lol. So if any type of logic is being applied East Brum most surely be in for something, or will they up grade the 33 and Sutton lines just one more time again beforehand.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 05, 2016, 08:43:43 PM
Well I guess that the Bristol rd have had new buses, it's got to be East Brum's turn again soon. I only say this has Bristol rd got new buses same time as the original x62/64 came out then 72 got the upgrade.If by the time I move back there might be an X72 lol. So if any type of logic is being applied East Brum most surely be in for something, or will they up grade the 33 and Sutton lines just one more time again beforehand.
966 is going platinum imminently, that serves a lot of east Birmingham
Yeah heard that still wondering if this combined 966 and 72 will ever come to anything?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 05, 2016, 08:43:43 PM
Well I guess that the Bristol rd have had new buses, it's got to be East Brum's turn again soon. I only say this has Bristol rd got new buses same time as the original x62/64 came out then 72 got the upgrade.If by the time I move back there might be an X72 lol. So if any type of logic is being applied East Brum most surely be in for something, or will they up grade the 33 and Sutton lines just one more time again beforehand.
I'm assuming you meant when the 72 got upgraded with the B7RLEs mk2? If so, then the 72 has had another upgrade last year, the E200MMCs.
Well aware of that, my point is the East for a change has got to be due something else be that the 966 or some new creation. I await with baited anticipation.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 05, 2016, 09:23:36 PM
Well aware of that, my point is the East for a change has got to be due something else be that the 966 or some new creation. I await with baited anticipation.
I live in Saltley, I use buses everyday. The buses may not be new, but they are the smartest and cleanest they've been for years. And on the whole, they are fairly reliable most of the time. As a passenger these are the things that matter.
Quote from: dingding on November 27, 2016, 06:33:30 PM
Don't know if reported elsewhere but I noticed yesterday that 6832 has been named Ronnie Morgan. Well done NXWM very nice touch!
Dave
It has been a couple of times but more than welcome to reiterate the point again.
Quote from: 2206 on December 05, 2016, 10:43:50 PM
Most are, or will look smart but there are still some tatty B7TL ALX400 and Y reg tridents appearing on the 14, 56, 70 and 94 daily that won't repainted and refurbished now.
The Y-reg Tridents will be reduced at BC once they get all of their outstanding Platinums
Most services do, or will look smart in East Birmingham, the 28, 71, 72 and 55 certainly do. However there are still tatty Y reg Tidents appearing on the 56, 70, 73, 14 and 97 plus tatty B7TL ALX400 on the 94, 67 and the 11 daily.
Sorry but how can you complain about East Birmingham.
The latest batch of buses in the company are being used on the X1/X2
And last years MMCs are being used on routes 37/71/72 and soon 966...
Which of the new platinum buses will branded for X1 X2 X61 I know 6836 is 1 for x61
Quote from: MW on December 05, 2016, 11:48:57 PM
Sorry but how can you complain about East Birmingham.
The latest batch of buses in the company are being used on the X1/X2
And last years MMCs are being used on routes 37/71/72 and soon 966...
He doesn't class Cov road as East Brum
6841 is on X2 today
Currently on it to Solihull
Quote from: 2206 on December 05, 2016, 11:26:39 PM
Most services do, or will look smart in East Birmingham, the 28, 71, 72 and 55 certainly do. However there are still tatty Y reg Tidents appearing on the 56, 70, 73, 14 and 97 plus tatty B7TL ALX400 on the 94, 67 and the 11 daily.
NXC, PN, WA & WN all have their share of Tatty Y-reg Tridents (as you put it) & WB with B7TL/ALX400's, they're pretty evenly spread around the various garages. Unless NXWM are given a new bus budget the size of what Trident4194 thinks they have, there's only so many buses that can be replaced each finanacial year.
Generally speaking, NX's buses are in good condition. Compared to other bus operators, they have vehicles which are generally well. Yeah sure some buses are tatty but for a 15 year old vehicle what can you expect. Anyone who thinks NX doesn't have quality vehicles, they need to have a go on some of AG's finest Geminis.
Strictly speaking, most buses would be better if some members of the public treated them well. Was in 1 of BC's newest Platinums a few days ago and it was festererd with trash. Buses leave the depot clean, just a shame some idiots can't take their rubbish with them.
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2016, 09:52:54 AM
NXC, PN, WA & WN all have their share of Tatty Y-reg Tridents (as you put it) & WB with B7TL/ALX400's, they're pretty evenly spread around the various garages. Unless NXWM are given a new bus budget the size of what Trident4194 thinks they have, there's only so many buses that can be replaced each financial year.
I get all that , makes sense and in terms of the East Brum I'm constantly saying is being neglected no Cov rd is not part of that, but they could more a tad more ........ Urm equally proportionate on distribution of resources. (Who knows they might even get some growth out of them).
Dare I say it lol. Can't wait to move back happy days.
I remember when Quniton closed most of those routes started getting up graded, I wrongly assumed because they had saved overheads in that part of the city and were therefore reinvesting in that area, as they had saved on overheads. Shame same can't be said when Lea Hall closed. However I guess those were the days when they were making a loss. Wish I'd actually done Bsc Transport management now.
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2016, 09:52:54 AM
NXC, PN, WA & WN all have their share of Tatty Y-reg Tridents (as you put it) & WB with B7TL/ALX400's, they're pretty evenly spread around the various garages. Unless NXWM are given a new bus budget the size of what Trident4194 thinks they have, there's only so many buses that can be replaced each financial year.
The fact he's complaining about y reg Tridents yet the bus mentioned in his username is a y reg trident is really quite amusing.
@Dom it wasn't Trident4194 complaining about Y-reg tridents, it was '2206'
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 05, 2016, 09:03:59 PM
966 is going platinum imminently, that serves a lot of east Birmingham
But it's not the 94!!,
Quote from: Chris on December 07, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
But it's not the 94!!,
The 94 does perfectly finewith the Geminis it has now. It will look smarter when they are all repainted. The same with the 97, the Tridents look immaculate
Quote from: John on December 07, 2016, 02:21:56 PM
The 94 does perfectly fine with the Geminis it has now. It will look smarter when they are all repainted. The same with the 97, the Tridents look immaculate
I agree in regards to the 97. It's the closest route to my house and it's been Tridents ever since I've known the route back in the 96/97 days. I don't have a problem with the buses and the new interior is an improvement on the old.
I caught the 94 last week and the passenger thought it was a new bus to be honest both liveries look smart. Though I doubt there will be many or if any platinum buses in the 2017 deliveries. Though with the EU regs coming in next year for emissions I would not be surprised if nx acquires new Streetdecks long with the MMC (what's left of the deal)
Quote from: Chris on December 07, 2016, 02:35:19 PM
I caught the 94 last week and the passenger thought it was a new bus
No wonder that route needs subsidy 8)
Surely these passengers who think it's a new bus can see the number plate?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 07, 2016, 02:29:31 PM
I agree in regards to the 97. It's the closest route to my house and it's been Tridents ever since I've known the route back in the 96/97 days. I don't have a problem with the buses and the new interior is an improvement on the old.
It had new Omnilinks as the main allocation from 2007 till Lea Hall closed in 2010, so it hasn't had Tridents as the main allocation since when the 96/97 operated.
Quote from: 2206 on December 07, 2016, 04:19:57 PM
It had new Omnilinks as the main allocation from 2007 till Lea Hall closed in 2010, so it hasn't had Tridents as the main allocation since when the 96/97 operated.
Being pedantic, I seem to remember Tridents being used on Sundays during this period
6830 is now X2 branded.
Quote from: John on December 07, 2016, 09:05:15 PM
Is it green?.............
photo on the main site, within the hour, of 6832
Bit of a shame that the bus named after Ronnie will spend its time on the X2, and not the side of the city that he was from. It would have been nice if the lower numbered ones had been branded for the X61.
Will 6850 - 54 branded in time
Regarding the stop/start feature. How significant will fuel savings be when you compare one passenger getting on/off en-route to a heavy loading at the city centre or outer terminus stops?
Quote from: Solo1 on December 22, 2016, 10:20:52 PM
Will 6850 - 54 branded in time
What routes would they be branded for?
Incidently, 6705 is still hanging on at BC
6731 in Stourbridge bus station
WA 6721 on 703 School run in New Invention 07.20 yesterday morning. This is usually a WB Enviro, have I missed something has the contract change hands.
Quote from: 888DUK on January 05, 2017, 04:26:41 AM
WA 6721 on 703 School run in New Invention 07.20 yesterday morning. This is usually a WB Enviro, have I missed something has the contract change hands.
WA operate the 703 now. The AM trip is on an X51 running board.
I notice that the 966 hasn't been added to the separate Platinum website. Is there a reason for this?
Suspect might be because of these rumoured changes.
Quote from: Nathan on January 05, 2017, 07:48:57 AM
WA operate the 703 now. The AM trip is on an X51 running board.
Thanks Nathan much appreciated :)
If my eyes don't deceive me 6850 appears to have an advert frame?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 07, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
If my eyes don't deceive me 6850 appears to have an advert frame?
As have 6851-4, on the offside atleast.
That's a shame. Personally I think it cheapens the brand. The current platinum fleet are quite eye catching, with advert frames watering it all down, not so much eye catching.
Quote from: Gareth on January 07, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
That's a shame. Personally I think it cheapens the brand. The current platinum fleet are quite eye catching, with advert frames watering it all down, not so much eye catching.
I'd be interested to know just how much income is brought in through bus advertising. NXWM go to great lengths to maximise advertising space, and recent modifications to the branding and vinyls on the hybrid vehicles, and now putting advert frames on non-branded Platinums are examples of that. Some operators however seem to have pretty much done away with bus advertising, e.g. Go North East, Brighton & Hove.
I think they probably make a huge amount with ad revenue, and with extra platinums replacing normal livery and therefore advert space, there must be a slight dip in that income.
Have Perry Barr's drivers got to grip with their Platties compared to Wolves, as I caught 6818 on the Suttons earlier, and compared to the 529's, they didnt have to 'restart' once.
Quote from: Westy on January 07, 2017, 04:53:12 PM
Have Perry Barr's drivers got to grip with their Platties compared to Wolves, as I caught 6818 on the Suttons earlier, and compared to the 529's, they didnt have to 'restart' once.
What do you mean by didn't have to restart?
Quote from: Dom on January 07, 2017, 05:21:05 PM
What do you mean by didn't have to restart?
The driver must of overrode the stop/start system to avoid having the bus stop and start everytime they pulled up at lights or any bus stops
That doesn't mean that the drivers have adjusted to the buses better though. They just don't wish to use the stop start so they override it. Simples.
Quote from: Dom on January 07, 2017, 05:21:05 PM
What do you mean by didn't have to restart?
I reckon, by "restarting", he means the ability to override the stop/start feature? That's what I would assume, anyway. ;)
I follow the Sutton Lines 5 days a week and they all stop start at bus stops from what I can tell. As I have previously posted it also causes no delay on departure from stops. I also think the Platinum buses look superb. The presentation on the Sutton Lines is always good. The 110 Saphire in Sutton look dirty and drab in comparison the last week or so.
Am I right in thinking the stop/start only works when the driver applies the parking brake? In that case a driver sitting on the footbrake at stops would prevent it working.
Quote from: Stevo on January 08, 2017, 07:59:58 PM
Am I right in thinking the stop/start only works when the driver applies the parking brake? In that case a driver sitting on the footbrake at stops would prevent it working.
The doors can not be opened without the handbrake applied
Quote from: John on January 08, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
The doors can not be opened without the handbrake applied
That's weird, they can in the E200s, or at least they could
Quote from: John on January 08, 2017, 08:02:47 PM
The doors can not be opened without the handbrake applied
They can on ours :p
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 09, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
They can on ours :p
What is the point in the company investing in fuel saving and emissions saving technology if the driver can routinely override it? And apart from certain situations why would they want to override it.
If the system is anything like those in modern cars, when it senses an instance like engine not up to temperature, or a higher load such as air conditioning on, then the system doesn't operate anyway.
I really don't see what the problem is - my car had this, automatic braking and electronic handbrake amongst other gizmos - yes difficult for about 2 hrs - then second nature. In fact when I had a 'normal' hire car for a day recently, with DSG gearbox, I tried to drive with the handbrake on for the first couple of minutes - not used to one any more!!
Quote from: don on January 10, 2017, 01:01:11 AM
What is the point in the company investing in fuel saving and emissions saving technology if the driver can routinely override it? And apart from certain situations why would they want to override it.
If the system is anything like those in modern cars, when it senses an instance like engine not up to temperature, or a higher load such as air conditioning on, then the system doesn't operate anyway.
I really don't see what the problem is - my car had this, automatic braking and electronic handbrake amongst other gizmos - yes difficult for about 2 hrs - then second nature. In fact when I had a 'normal' hire car for a day recently, with DSG gearbox, I tried to drive with the handbrake on for the first couple of minutes - not used to one any more!!
The start stop in your car will no doubt be a lot quicker than the ones on the MMCs. It feels like an age to switch back on.
I'm not 100% but I think they can also be overridden if you put your foot on the accelerator
6847 validator stated dead, carry on mate, probably why the real time didn't work either! No wonder the driver didn't look happy. Another £10 travel voucher.....
Quote from: JoNi on January 10, 2017, 06:48:10 AM
6847 validator stated dead, carry on mate, probably why the real time didn't work either! No wonder the driver didn't look happy. Another £10 travel voucher.....
Well I'm glad we got that cleared up! :D
Quote from: JoNi on January 10, 2017, 06:48:10 AM
6847 validator stated dead, carry on mate, probably why the real time didn't work either! No wonder the driver didn't look happy. Another £10 travel voucher.....
Why would the driver care? Makes loading faster? Assuming validator is the card scanner ?
Quote from: JoNi on January 10, 2017, 06:48:10 AM
6847 validator stated dead, carry on mate, probably why the real time didn't work either! No wonder the driver didn't look happy. Another £10 travel voucher.....
I don't quite understand why you are complaining about the scanner not being functional? You had free travel after all. It's NX who is losing money if the scanner is broken.
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 10, 2017, 10:32:37 AM
I don't quite understand why you are complaining about the scanner not being functional? You had free travel after all. It's NX who is losing money if the scanner is broken.
Compensation culture and a misguided sense of entitlement?
Quote from: WMT3000 on January 10, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
Compensation culture and a misguided sense of entitlement?
Sounds about right
Quote from: WMT3000 on January 10, 2017, 11:11:33 AM
Compensation culture and a misguided sense of entitlement?
I think so. It doesn't stop you completing your journey, with a swift PAYG card, it is to your advantage anyway. With a travel pass loaded onto a Swift card, it is no difference
Quote from: John on January 10, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
I think so. It doesn't stop you completing your journey, with a swift PAYG card, it is to your advantage anyway. With a travel pass loaded onto a Swift card, it is no difference
Its complaining for the sake of complaining as I remember him saying he gets a 4 week NX travel card, which those vouchers the therefore contribute to.
So you get a free journey and end up £12+ in credit. And not for the first time either. No wonder my travel costs go up each year! Don't get me wrong, it's not your fault, it's the 'system', but it's a practice that needs to be stopped.
I appreciate NX and front line staff are doing their best with life expired equipment and NX have committed to replacing the machines.
I actually get a four weekly nbus ticket so the voucher is of no value to me. I'll keep it and flog it at a bus rally in 10-20 years time!
Defective validators are one of those things that should work, just like defective Real Time Information or destination displays.
Rather than going through a labourious complaints process there should be an app similar to See Something Say Something where leaders of the local alliance should pay 10 pence for each instance out of their own pocket!
Quote from: JoNi on January 10, 2017, 04:53:56 PM
I appreciate NX and front line staff are doing their best with life expired equipment and NX have committed to replacing the machines.
I actually get a four weekly nbus ticket so the voucher is of no value to me. I'll keep it and flog it at a bus rally in 10-20 years time!
Defective validators are one of those things that should work, just like defective Real Time Information or destination displays.
Rather than going through a labourious complaints process there should be an app similar to See Something Say Something where leaders of the local alliance should pay 10 pence for each instance out of their own pocket!
not being funny but if validator not working on one bus use the next bus to validate your smart card can't see what the problem is other than just a pointless moan
Quote from: karl724223 on January 10, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
not being funny but if validator not working on one bus use the next bus to validate your smart card can't see what the problem is other than just a pointless moan
Seeing as though nx are so pendantic about faulty buses In services, should it have been kept in garage??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2017, 06:17:11 PM
Seeing as though nx are so pendantic about faulty buses In services, should it have been kept in garage??
So you'd rather a bus doesn't turn up than having one you couldn't scan your card on?
They don't have infinite buses to send out when there's a minor defect!
If the card reader is not working, all the driver can do is wave people on. If your card carries a season ticket, you're not really losing out, so I don't think that compensation is necessary.
I remember maybe a couple of years ago now, there was a system wide failure on the on-bus ticket machines, so the drivers were instructed to just let cash-paying customers on for free. No need for compensation if you're travelling for free!
As long as any defective equipment has been reported, there shouldn't be any issues if the revenue team turn up!
If there's a problem with the wayfarer/ticket printer, in my experience the instruction normally is to take single fares but tell passengers requiring any Day tickets to purchase on their next bus. I actually disagree with this as I'm sure it's required for a ticket to be issued if one is paid for. Therefore I plug up the cash chute and everybody rides for free!!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 10, 2017, 06:20:33 PM
So you'd rather a bus doesn't turn up than having one you couldn't scan your card on?
They don't have infinite buses to send out when there's a minor defect!
Then the 9 or 244 doesn't turn up which leads to a different moan.
If Arriva ran your local service, given the number of times their machines don't work. If they had a similar reimbursement policy. Joni would bankrupt the bloody lot in a matter of weeks!
Serious commuters factor delay repay against annual train fare increases and thus always claim it - why not for buses as well if available. Most people get about 8% of the cost back (train commuting into London) - far more on one unnamed operator currently!!
6751 noted at wb bus station today.
Quote from: 37351ml on January 12, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
6751 noted at wb bus station today.
there one there quite a few times can't recall why they are there
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
there one there quite a few times can't recall why they are there
They use them for mobility scooter training
Why can't they use one of west Bromwich envrio's deckers for training instead
Quote from: pndriver on January 12, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
mobility scooter training
I thought all the Solos had been withdrawn now :P
I notice several platinum's appear to be causing a few problems recently?.... and not just one garage either.. 6804 failed with no lights (907) earlier in the week, 6791 (126) failed on Saturday around 4.10pm just short of Wolverhampton town centre.. accompanied by more 'yellow coats' than Maplins!. :).and 6840 was another casualty an hour later (X61).. blocking the through lane at the smallbrook Queensway traffic lights although they did manage to move it to the other end of the tunnel ??? ???
There was an X1 yesterday with hazard lights going near the bottom of Carrs Lane.
It seems that the platinum vehicles are suffering I was following 6705 on the 966 earlier today and noticed that on all 4 of the led brake lights there was a strange lightning bolt shape of dead LEDS I know it's not a mechanical failure and purely a cosmetic one but for a 15 plate vehicle costing in excess of £150,000 you would expect better build quality other than that I think the batch of platinums (6701-6710) that were transferred to AG are some of the best of the bunch and that includes the crimson standard spec vehicles.
(Sorry for the long winded reply guys had a lot to say 😂)
How is the X1 performing on going down the Coleshill Heath Road?
Which Platinum route goes to Coventry?
Quote from: YN63 BYJ on January 16, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Which Platinum route goes to Coventry?
X1 (formerly the 900)
Quote from: YN63 BYJ on January 16, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Which Platinum route goes to Coventry?
See: http://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
X1 branded bus on the 24 broad st about 1725 going to town
Noticed today rather strangely, 6854 only had an ad frame on the offside, and had been branded as normal on the nearside and rear. Surely it would look better with ad frames on both sides and smaller Platinum branding around the frames?
Any reason why the 529's don't audio announce the next stop until you're actually on top of the stop?
Me & my brother sat at the front of one tonight, going to Monmore Green & we had to change seats so we could see when to get off at Hickman Avenue.
Quote from: Westy on January 22, 2017, 01:09:33 AM
Any reason why the 529's don't audio announce the next stop until you're actually on top of the stop?
Me & my brother sat at the front of one tonight, going to Monmore Green & we had to change seats so we could see when to get off at Hickman Avenue.
Also, both Eastbound, the display shows 'Churchull Road' and Queen Elizabeth Drive'. Both correct West bound!
6852 has advert frame on offside and has gained yellow Batman advert!
6718 on the X10; I presume this is the same case on all Platinums, where "Art Gallery" and "Municipal Offices" (not sure of inbound stops) are announced by Phil Upton. Hate to nitpick, especially since the announcements do work as advertised - but I can't help but justify the blatant inconsistency - especially when stops such as "Broad Street, Sheepcote Street" are announced with the new voice. ???
I noticed earlier that 6719 and 6720 have the offside branding missing on both vehicle's. I might be wrong, but does anyone know if these are having ad frames installed? Or is it just panel repairs?
6795 has had its branding removed.
Wonder if any will have an all over ad or will they be kept grey
6728 taken out of service after smashing a window against a tree in dyas road whilst doing a 997 run
2 platinums have gained side ads 2 far to id 1 was ad for lego batman at bc
Some Walsall Platinum's have now had advert frames fitted to the offside of the vehicle. So far I've seen 6720 and 6757 (which both have an advert on the frame) along with 6758.
Is the X14 going to get branding? I am asking because I noticed our allocation sheets mention X14 branded Platinums as the allocation for the running boards. This just used to read Platinum before
Quote from: John on February 12, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Is the X14 going to get branding? I am asking because I noticed our allocation sheets mention X14 branded Platinums as the allocation for the running boards. This just used to read Platinum before
Platinum website (http://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=welcome-to-platinum&utm_medium=image) seems to suggest it's Grey/silver
Quote from: Solo1 on February 08, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
2 platinums have gained side ads 2 far to id 1 was ad for lego batman at bc
Here's 6854:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/32799962741/in/dateposted/
I know its revenue to the company but having these adverts on these premium buses IMO it makes them look less premium less classy ,when platinum was launched the dark colours were meant to reflect executive cars, you don't see executive cars with garish crap plastered on its sides do you now.
Unless it says Uber
I think it's a shame they spoil the image like that. Fleets like Nottingham, Brighton and Hove, Reading and others can do without advertising on their entire fleets.
Quote from: Stevo on February 16, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
I think it's a shame they spoil the image like that. Fleets like Nottingham, Brighton and Hove, Reading and others can do without advertising on their entire fleets.
Unfortunately, that's not true with Brighton & Hove these days. Most unbranded buses now have advertising frames.
I'd be willing to bet it was an advertising company that first approached NX saying they'd pay more to put their adverts on "premium" buses, and being money NX probably hard put to say no
Quote from: Roy on February 16, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
Unfortunately, that's not true with Brighton & Hove these days. Most unbranded buses now have advertising frames.
And on page 74 of the March edition of Buses out today is a photo of a brand new Reading Enviro 400 bodied gas Scania fitted with a advert frame
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
And on page 74 of the March edition of Buses out today is a photo of a brand new Reading Enviro 400 bodied gas Scania fitted with a advert frame.
Most Nottingham buses also have advertising
Its funny how some stabdard red/white tridents have never had adverts like 430-6 and 4308, also I think 4258?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on February 16, 2017, 05:52:35 PM
Its funny how some standard red/white tridents have never had adverts like 4306 and 4308, also I think 4258?
@BU07 LGO, yeah, it was 4258 - had advert frames on the offside but never had advert when it was at Walsall.
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2017, 01:18:50 PM
Most Nottingham buses also have advertising
I must go and get myself the new Buses!
Rumours going around Walsall that we're getting another new batch of "series 3" mmc's without stop start and ours will be displaced elsewhere?
Can't see it myself
So we have rumours of a 3306. And now more platinums surely more standard buses are coming ??
Quote from: BU07 LGO on February 22, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
Rumours going around Walsall that we're getting another new batch of "series 3" mmc's without stop start and ours will be displaced elsewhere?
Can't see it myself
Do the rumours suggest which part of this year they could be arriving?
30th and 31st February. And 1st April but they might be running late
Quote from: karl724223 on February 22, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
30th and 31st February. And 1st April but they might be running late
Or they may arrive the day you post something credible, suggesting they will be long way off....
Quote from: BU07 LGO on February 22, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
Rumours going around Walsall that we're getting another new batch of "series 3" mmc's without stop start and ours will be displaced elsewhere?
Can't see it myself
may be number 9 service could be upgraded to platinum, pennsnet already operate that spec of E400mmc , as i understand it no garage will operate both types.
Quote from: 2900 on February 23, 2017, 01:21:58 PM
may be number 9 service could be upgraded to platinum, pennsnet already operate that spec of E400mmc , as i understand it no garage will operate both types.
It could be that WA will inherit the other 18 from AG & PN with new one's replacing those??
Quote from: pb2012 on February 23, 2017, 05:37:13 PM
It could be that WA will inherit the other 18 from AG & PN with new one's replacing those??
The E400 MMC on the 9 would then also have to leave PN. If each garage can only have one spec of MMC.
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2017, 06:16:14 PM
The E400 MMC on the 9 would then also have to leave PN. If each garage can only have one spec of MMC.
Why? They are the same as 6711-8 and the ex Walsall ones.
Incidently the rumour is rubbish anyway
What is the logic behind this 'no garage can have both spec E400 rumour?'
How does that even make sense?
Quote from: MW on February 23, 2017, 09:05:10 PM
What is the logic behind this 'no garage can have both spec E400 rumour?'
How does that even make sense?
I think its engineering related. I believe the initial batch have a different engine to those delivered last year.
Quote from: MW on February 23, 2017, 09:05:10 PM
What is the logic behind this 'no garage can have both spec E400 rumour?'
How does that even make sense?
I have to agree but think it's due to some being voith and some ZF
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 23, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
I have to agree but think it's due to some being voith and some ZF
What about 4475-4507 and 4687-4696 being at the same garage?
4535-4609 were at the same garage for years.
BC has, and still has, Tridents in both gearbox options, along with WN & PN.
The engine is most likely the same in the MMCs. Just the fact that they have slight differences, i.e. gearbox, start stop, USB ports
I think there's either a bigger reason to this or it's just a rumour.
Quote from: MW on February 23, 2017, 09:05:10 PM
What is the logic behind this 'no garage can have both spec E400 rumour?'
How does that even make sense?
There are things like the wheels that need different equipment to change, and other items that if replaced with the wrong parts would create a PG9 offense
6717 was running quite late this morning. Think there was an issue with bus 😜.
Why have 6717 and 6718 not been branded for X10, as there aren't platinums as it is anyway??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 24, 2017, 03:33:56 PM
6717 was running quite late this morning. Think there was an issue with bus 😜.
Why have 6717 and 6718 not been branded for X10, as there aren't platinums as it is anyway??
As if you have asked that question
@Trident 4194 it's for advertising boards and they can be used on other routes!!!! Not every route that's branded has every bus branded for example 6101-15
9 branded
and 6116-6122 unbranded so can be used on other routes if spare...
Seriously stupid question
Quote from: Chris on February 24, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
As if you have asked that question @Trident 4194 it's for advertising boards and they can be used on other routes!!!! Not every route that's branded has every bus branded for example 6101-15 9 branded and 6116-6122 unbranded so can be used on other routes if spare...
Seriously stupid question
Not really when there are more mmc than board for the 9.
Even with all the platinum branded mmc out they need the unbranded Ines on there too!! What I'm trying to say is there shouldn't be any spare platinum if all on the x10??)
@Chris can you tell me the last time the x10 was fully platinum operated?
Also 6717 and 6718 have announcements for X10 anyway
Quote from: Chris on February 24, 2017, 10:38:34 PM
As if you have asked that question @Trident 4194 it's for advertising boards and they can be used on other routes!!!! Not every route that's branded has every bus branded for example 6101-15 9 branded and 6116-6122 unbranded so can be used on other routes if spare...
Seriously stupid question
To an extent its a valid question.
That logic works if PN has another Platinum route so they can be used interchangeably like when BC had the initial batch of Platinums, some were branded for 900, others for 957 and some were generic. If PN has just the 1 Platinum route and those buses for it, it makes sense you brand them all for it. The logic can also be extended to the hybrid buses at BC, half of them possess Harboune corridor despite all buses almost exclusively ever running on that corridor.
I'm happy to be corrected on this and I can't believe I'm agreeing with the guy on this.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 24, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
I can't believe I'm agreeing with the guy on this.
You've gone to the dark side bro
In all seriousness, aren't these used on the X96 on weekends/Sunday?
No idea about that side of the West Midlands.
Quote from: MW on February 24, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
You've gone to the dark side bro
In all seriousness, aren't these used on the X96 on weekends/Sunday?
No idea about that side of the West Midlands.
Yes, Sunday operation on the X96 is usually Platinum spec MMC's (subject to if they are avaliable for sevice)
6822 having an ad frame and advert fitted now. Our first one
Quote from: John on March 04, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
6822 having an ad frame and advert fitted now. Our first one
What a waste of branding that got applied to it.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/national-express-launches-the-uks-first-bus-infotainment-system?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_source=Facebook
Quote from: 2206 on March 06, 2017, 06:37:17 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/national-express-launches-the-uks-first-bus-infotainment-system?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_source=Facebook
So NE launch a service so people can watch films etc on there phones, but can't afford an extra bus for the 99, rather pathetic isn't it.
Once again the people of Birmingham & Coventry winning over the rest of the West Midlands.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 06, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
So NE launch a service so people can watch films etc on there phones, but can't afford an extra bus for the 99, rather pathetic isn't it.
Once again the people of Birmingham & Coventry winning over the rest of the West Midlands.
Haha you just the situation rather well.
Quote from: 2206 on March 06, 2017, 06:37:17 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/national-express-launches-the-uks-first-bus-infotainment-system?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_source=Facebook
One word.
Why?
Quote from: Westy on March 06, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
One word.
Why?
The first film mentioned, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, is 131 minutes long apparently.
Are we seriously meant to believe that anyone will watch this over the course of several journeys?
Unless NX is insuring itself against the prospect of massively lengthening journey times, of course!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 09, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
The first film mentioned, Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, is 131 minutes long apparently.
Are we seriously meant to believe that anyone will watch this over the course of several journeys?
Unless NX is insuring itself against the prospect of massively lengthening journey times, of course!
I kid ye not, you could watch the whole of The Lord of the Rings trilogy between the city centre and Harborne in the evening peak
6716 now sports a new side ad bright yellow really spoils the platinum livery
Quote from: Mike K on March 09, 2017, 07:32:43 PM
I kid ye not, you could watch the whole of The Lord of the Rings trilogy between the city centre and Harborne in the evening peak
My precious!!!
How much did that crap film system cost per bus??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
How much did that crap film system cost per bus??
Says someone that hasn't been on one. It's not just films, there's shorter TV programmes as well through Sky TV
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
Says someone that hasn't been on one. It's not just films, there's shorter TV programmes as well through Sky TV
How much it cost NX for privilege??
Quote from: Westy on March 06, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
One word.
Why?
There are thousands of National express journies in the UK of several hours long.
Why do Airlines have film systems when you are sat for similar journey times?
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
There are thousands of National express journies in the UK of several hours long.
Why do Airlines have film systems when you are sat for similar journey times?
Not sure if you've been on aeroplane recently but for short haul less than 4 HOURS they got rid of it on most airline.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2017, 09:16:09 PM
Not sure if you've been on aeroplane recently but for short haul less than 4 HOURS they got rid of it on most airline.
I suspect I have been on more plains than you
Wonder when they are going to install wifi on all buses so we can all use this service or is it just for the select few?
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
I suspect I have been on more plains than you
Probably also there isn't the option of getting of mid journey on a plane!! You tell me not many people use full routes of buses anyway
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
Probably also there isn't the option of getting of mid journey on a plane!! You tell me not many people use full routes of buses anyway
It's not compulsory to use the service, if you don't like the idea of it don't use it. Simple solution.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 09, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
Probably also there isn't the option of getting of mid journey on a plane!! You tell me not many people use full routes of buses anyway
It's for coaches, some journies are up to 10 hours long. The X1 and X2 is just an add on to the coach system as a trial. There's a world outside Halesowen.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 09:40:23 PM
It's for coaches, some journies are up to 10 hours long. The X1 and X2 is just an add on to the coach system as a trial. There's a world outside Halesowen.
Oh yeah I agree about coaches but buses seems a waste of money and ridivulous
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 09:40:23 PM
It's for coaches, some journies are up to 10 hours long. The X1 and X2 is just an add on to the coach system as a trial. There's a world outside Halesowen.
So how about an "add on " to the fare to?
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 09:40:23 PM
It's for coaches, some journies are up to 10 hours long. The X1 and X2 is just an add on to the coach system as a trial. There's a world outside Halesowen.
If this trial proves to work well, will it be rolled out to other Platinum routes?
I can see the logic to an extent as some bus journeys can be long so whilst attempting to combat the ever lasting issue of traffic, you could also make the journeys more tolerable. Having said that, I don't think a movie being shown on the bus is a good idea as unless someone is doing a lap of the Outer Circle, most bus journeys are considerably shorter. Something along the lines of the news is probably better suited.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 09, 2017, 09:45:19 PM
So how about an "add on " to the fare to?
It's to attract passengers. It works. There's been a lot of positive comments about it. Much better than the old system of a driver putting a video on where everyone had to put up with it. If you don't like it you ignore it, I really don't see your problem other than trying to find something wrong with everything
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 09, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
I can see the logic to an extent as some bus journeys can be long so whilst attempting to combat the ever lasting issue of traffic, you could also make the journeys more tolerable. Having said that, I don't think a movie being shown on the bus is a good idea as unless someone is doing a lap of the Outer Circle, most bus journeys are considerably shorter. Something along the lines of the news is probably better suited.
Hmmmm.... Or not. Remember the irritating news broadcasts that used to be cycling on the TV screens fitted to the Class 323 fleet. It received very negative passenger reaction, and was removed within a couple of years. Different if the pax can opt out of the broadcast, of course - or has to opt in, maybe I should say.
I'm not sure that in this era of personal infotainment devices, there's much of a market for mall-style broadcsating, subsidized by advert breaks; but then I'm one of the grumpy old blokes who likes to enjoy any public transport journey untroubled even by audio announcements!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 10, 2017, 11:52:35 AM
Hmmmm.... Or not. Remember the irritating news broadcasts that used to be cycling on the TV screens fitted to the Class 323 fleet. It received very negative passenger reaction, and was removed within a couple of years. Different if the pax can opt out of the broadcast, of course - or has to opt in, maybe I should say.
I'm not sure that in this era of personal infotainment devices, there's much of a market for mall-style broadcsating, subsidized by advert breaks; but then I'm one of the grumpy old blokes who likes to enjoy any public transport journey untroubled even by audio announcements!
You watch this through your personal information device. It is not on a screen
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
You watch this through your personal information device. It is not on a screen
Does that not increase the chance of theft? Doubt people would watch movies on phone perhaps more bigger items??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 10, 2017, 12:05:59 PM
Does that not increase the chance of theft? Doubt people would watch movies on phone perhaps more bigger items??
What theft?
Quote from: Dom on March 10, 2017, 12:16:55 PM
What theft?
Would you be brave enough to sit on the top deck of an X61 watching an movie / show on an expensive Ipad or Smart Phone whilst passing through Frankley?
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
Would you be brave enough to sit on the top deck of an X61 watching an movie / show on an expensive Ipad or Smart Phone whilst passing through Frankley?
I sit on the 529 through Willenhall on my phone. I don't see an issue if you keep yourself to yourself
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
You watch this through your personal information device. It is not on a screen
Ah okay, thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
Would you be brave enough to sit on the top deck of an X61 watching an movie / show on an expensive Ipad or Smart Phone whilst passing through Frankley?
As a matter of fact, yes, I have done, at night
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2017, 12:20:20 PM
Would you be brave enough to sit on the top deck of an X61 watching an movie / show on an expensive Ipad or Smart Phone whilst passing through Frankley?
It would have to be a short movie, from City to Frankley is only 31 mins at night!
The X61 isnt a bad route, since the X61 has been introduced smoking is almost non existant, and of course when they do smoke the driver can now use the microphone to tell them to stop which is really good. I havnt heard of any robbery or theft on the X61 or even the 61 prior to that. And any would be thief knows the cctv is crystal clear too.
Quote from: B.C Driver on March 10, 2017, 01:37:44 PM
It would have to be a short movie, from City to Frankley is only 31 mins at night!
The X61 isnt a bad route, since the X61 has been introduced smoking is almost non existant, and of course when they do smoke the driver can now use the microphone to tell them to stop which is really good. I havnt heard of any robbery or theft on the X61 or even the 61 prior to that. And any would be thief knows the cctv is crystal clear too.
Fair play, wouldn't have expected that kind of improvement.
Do they take any notice of the driver over the mircophone?
Although the CCTV on board is high quality, it doesn't stop anyone being followed & mugged after alighting, having advertized what they have on their possesion whilst viewing on board.
Quote from: B.C Driver on March 10, 2017, 01:37:44 PM
It would have to be a short movie, from City to Frankley is only 31 mins at night!
The X61 isnt a bad route, since the X61 has been introduced smoking is almost non existant, and of course when they do smoke the driver can now use the microphone to tell them to stop which is really good. I havnt heard of any robbery or theft on the X61 or even the 61 prior to that. And any would be thief knows the cctv is crystal clear too.
31 minutes - perfect timing for most TV programmes
6711 back at the farm hopefully fixed of its problem
Just received on Twitter
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/fM7AAw
Some route numbers don't go away!
Group of elderly walkers conversation. "I thought the 900 still ran" was met with a reply "No the black one is now X1"
Spotted a new type of "chip and pin" style numbered card reader on an X2 earlier on today. Are they for the new ticket machine?
Quote from: suavegarv on March 30, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
Spotted a new type of "chip and pin" style numbered card reader on an X2 earlier on today. Are they for the new ticket machine?
Eh?!
Quote from: suavegarv on March 30, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
Spotted a new type of "chip and pin" style numbered card reader on an X2 earlier on today. Are they for the new ticket machine?
X1 accepting contactless
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
X1 accepting contactless
have all the X1. &X2 now got the new ticket machines
Quote from: Solo1 on March 30, 2017, 10:37:33 PM
have all the X1. &X2 now got the new ticket machines
I've noticed the new card readers that have been installed alongside the existing ones, the ticket machines (Wayfarers) are still the same.
I'm curious to learn why the new card readers appear to have a keypad on them? As well as contactless, will they be accepting chip and PIN cards too? I think I did see a slot at the front?
I did also notice this evening as I was waiting to disembark from 6852, that inside the drivers cab, next to the Wayfarer, there appeared to be some kind of mounting bracket, like you'd have for a smartphone or small tablet in a car. It had a white sticker on it, with 6844 printed on. Not sure of the significance of this number, unless its been installed in the wrong bus?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/contactless-arrives-on-national-express-buses
picture of it
How long are you allowed on the wifi for?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 10, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
How long are you allowed on the wifi for?
Until you use up your bandwidth.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 10, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
How long are you allowed on the wifi for?
Until you've used up the allocated amount.
Quote from: Dom on April 10, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
Until you've used up the allocated amount.
That's not a very helpful reply - do you know what is the bandwidth limit? Unusual to be limited by that - more usual for public transport wifi to be time limited (certainly is on trains, with the option to buy more. I wouldn't have thought a bus journey was long enough to use that much anyway.
Quote from: don on April 11, 2017, 12:38:05 AM
That's not a very helpful reply - do you know what is the bandwidth limit? Unusual to be limited by that - more usual for public transport wifi to be time limited (certainly is on trains, with the option to buy more. I wouldn't have thought a bus journey was long enough to use that much anyway.
I think you may be allowed 40 minutes a day
Quote from: John on April 11, 2017, 09:28:00 AM
I think you may be allowed 40 minutes a day
40 mins a day is about right as I got timed out after having been on the bus 35 mins.
With journeys such as the X1 this means you only allow half your journey on wifi
Just sitting on WN 6769 on a 529 service. The bus itself seems clean and tidy although I am sitting downstairs. Just a pity that the driver is not smartly dressed as they were when Platinum service was first introduced. Seems to let down the image.
Quote from: andyr on May 27, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Just sitting on WN 6769 on a 529 service. The bus itself seems clean and tidy although I am sitting downstairs. Just a pity that the driver is not smartly dressed as they were when Platinum service was first introduced. Seems to let down the image.
What would you class as smartly dressed ?
@andyr
Quote from: pndriver on May 27, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
What would you class as smartly dressed ? @andyr
must admit wolves drivers do look scruffy on the 126
The regular driver on the morning Plattie I catch never wears one.
Think I've only ever seen one Walsall driver wear the proper Plattie uniform & that was early in the Walsall Platties life!
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
The regular driver on the morning Plattie I catch never wears one.
Think I've only ever seen one Walsall driver wear the proper Plattie uniform & that was early in the Walsall Platties life!
They're not issuing the uniform anymore, just 2 ties and a pullover
Quote from: pndriver on May 27, 2017, 11:13:14 PM
They're not issuing the uniform anymore, just 2 ties and a pullover
Cost cutting?
Quote from: pndriver on May 27, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
What would you class as smartly dressed ? @andyr
ironed shirt and a tie neatly tied. a aknowledgment when you board the bus not a indifferernt scowl
Quote from: andyr on May 28, 2017, 01:53:26 AM
ironed shirt and a tie neatly tied. a aknowledgment when you board the bus not a indifferernt scowl
I don't understand passengers like you. I could complain about passengers not wearing a ironed shirt and a neat tied tie. You seem to think you're boarding a Rolls Royce.
It's a bus.
You're paying under a fiver.
Quote from: andyr on May 28, 2017, 01:53:26 AM
ironed shirt and a tie neatly tied. a aknowledgment when you board the bus not a indifferernt scowl
look at other bus company drivers jeans and t shirt or shorts this weather radio plugged into one ear
I see both sides, however if NX are putting in significant investment in trying to create and brand image and increase passengers, the drivers should follow the basic standards if they are on those routes. The same way the people in other service industry jobs are expected too. I've never been on one of these buses and not sure if they brought them to my area would make me ditch the uber, be interested to see how newish routes x61 & x12 & the Platinum sub brand overall performs when they release end of year figures.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 28, 2017, 10:18:35 AM
I see both sides, however if NX are putting in significant investment in trying to create and brand image and increase passengers, the drivers should follow the basic standards if they are on those routes. The same way the people in other service industry jobs are expected too. I've never been on one of these buses and not sure if they brought them to my area would make me ditch the uber, be interested to see how newish routes x61 & x12 & the Platinum sub brand overall performs when they release end of year figures.
I don't think NX are likely to break their figures down into Platinum operations and non Platinum. But you can draw some conclusions from the facts that Platinum has been around for a couple of years now and that in that time NX's figures have revealed a consistent, if very minimal, drop in revenue at U.K. Bus. At the same time there is also a very sudden and unexpected rationalisation programme (i.e. East Birmingham ) and a move towards discounting, a policy NX have rarely if atall resorted to so widely as they appear to be now. So perhaps there are conclusions to be drawn from that evidence.
Quote from: andy41 on May 28, 2017, 10:42:01 AM
I don't think NX are likely to break their figures down into Platinum operations and non Platinum. But you can draw some conclusions from the facts that Platinum has been around for a couple of years now and that in that time NX's figures have revealed a consistent, if very minimal, drop in revenue at U.K. Bus. At the same time there is also a very sudden and unexpected rationalisation programme (i.e. East Birmingham ) and a move towards discounting, a policy NX have rarely if atall resorted to so widely as they appear to be now. So perhaps there are conclusions to be drawn from that evidence.
Plus Platinum buses have had ad frames / adverts fitted to increase revenues (Something you'd never see on Megabus Gold or Sapphire), the Platinum uniform appears to be being dropped, NX have been upgrading elderly Tridents & B7TL's that are worthy of Crimson refurbs with full Euro 6 upgrades & there's still no sign of a new bus order.
NX UK bus is the only division within NX that isn't growing profits, they are in fact reversing.... it will be interesting to see what further changes UK coach management make within UK bus to reverse it's fortunes.....
Quote from: Winston on May 28, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
Plus Platinum buses have had ad frames / adverts fitted to increase revenues (Something you'd never see on Megabus Gold or Sapphire), the Platinum uniform appears to be being dropped, NX have been upgrading elderly Tridents & B7TL's that are worthy of Crimson refurbs with full Euro 6 upgrades & there's still no sign of a new bus order.
I think those (and particularly the last one) points are especially significant and indicative. When you upgrade and rebrand in such a fashion as Platinum, the investment is supposed to be rewarded with passenger growth and increased revenue in order to help cover it. On bus advertising should be a seperate revenue stream and should certainly not be occupying space on vehicles that you invested in specifically to increase your own marketing and brand awareness, it's almost an admission that you're not pushing the brand anymore and are just looking to recoup the costs of the vehicles in other ways.
They are in $]it basically then, i guess political uncertainty can't be helping either. Does the drop in the value of the pound effect these guys at all, although there as been some recovery.
So we think that new orders for this year have had the plug pulled? Darn to think the 94 was going to upgraded will now probably get the 51 plates again after the 4th lol.
The fall in the pound has benefited NX Group, as over two thirds of their revenue is generated in Dollars & Euro's.
Plus this year, the benefits from fuel hedging at much lower prices from 12 months ago will start to positive a positive impact on profits.
I suspect there will be new buses late this year, possibly in smaller quantities & most likely delivered in the last quarter of the year
So with all that background margin enhancing stuff going on, the bus group must be more in the ..... than we thought then.
Or could just be a new management taking a different strategic direction.
The Tesco staff called their CEO Dave Lewis Drastic Dave, maybe that is what the new UK BUS boss is having to do.
UK Bus revenue only grew by £400k in the last financial year, whilst profits fell by £2 million. UK bus growth has stagnated & passenger numbers are falling overall despite growth on Platinum routes.
Whilst UK coach profits grew by £1 million on increased revenues of £1.5 million.
Latest NX Group report here:
http://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/investors/reports/
Quote from: andy41 on May 28, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
When you upgrade and rebrand in such a fashion as Platinum, the investment is supposed to be rewarded with passenger growth and increased revenue in order to help cover it.
I believe it was initially reported that following the Platinum launch on the then 900 and 957, passenger numbers did increase.
The problem as I see it is that passenger numbers on the whole are decreasing, mainly due to unreliability caused by traffic congestion. And in the case of the X1 and X2, when large gaps in service appear, I'll just get the 58/59/60 instead, whichever comes first.
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
The regular driver on the morning Plattie I catch never wears one.
Think I've only ever seen one Walsall driver wear the proper Plattie uniform & that was early in the Walsall Platties life!
I disagree. I see quite a few Walsall Platinum drivers wearing the proper Platinum uniform (blazer, jumper, shirt and tie). A lot of drivers do take pride in their appearance on Platinum routes. I remember hearing a story on the first day about one driver who got himself smartly dressed in his Platinum uniform, had a shave and haircut to make himself look smart...only to get a 42** on the 997(E)/X51...
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2017, 11:04:18 PM
The regular driver on the morning Plattie I catch never wears one.
Think I've only ever seen one Walsall driver wear the proper Plattie uniform & that was early in the Walsall Platties life!
I agree. Even though I don't use the 997 that often because of the slugs that are used on their, the drivers seem to be wearing the usual red tie and no blazer. I haven't see a Driver wear the Platnium Uniform since the Platniums started service at Walsall.
Quote from: andyr on May 28, 2017, 01:53:26 AM
ironed shirt and a tie neatly tied. a aknowledgment when you board the bus not a indifferernt scowl
The trouble is drivers are only human and the vast majority of passengers don't even glance at the driver when boarding as they have passes, cards or tickets. So if you're regarded as unimportant you'll behave like that.
Platinum question:
When is X12's next stop announcements going to work.
Also when is X12 buses going to be X12 branded?
Quote from: Jack D on June 10, 2017, 02:36:43 PM
Platinum question:
When is X12's next stop announcements going to work.
Also when is X12 buses going to be X12 branded?
Give NXWM a chance the route has only been going a week & they have to sort out what colour and style the X12 branding will eventually be
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 10, 2017, 07:51:52 PM
Give NXWM a chance the route has only been going a week & they have to sort out what colour and style the X12 branding will eventually be
It was a valid question. After all, NX have known about the X12 for several weeks. OK granted they may not have wanted to brand up the buses in advance, however they could have at least had all the audio/visual announcements sorted out well in advance ready to go from the start.
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2017, 07:57:44 PM
It was a valid question. After all, NX have known about the X12 for several weeks. OK granted they may not have wanted to brand up the buses in advance, however they could have at least had all the audio/visual announcements sorted out well in advance ready to go from the start.
True
@Stu I may of been a bit hasty with my comment and granted have not used the X12 yet only the X70 but agreed the next stop announcements should of been sorted when they updated the blinds ready for the start of the X12 last weekend. Unless it is not that simple a job to undertake in a short space of time
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 10, 2017, 07:51:52 PM
Give NXWM a chance the route has only been going a week & they have to sort out what colour and style the X12 branding will eventually be
It's red according to the network map. No reason it couldn't have been sorted, given the reduced PVR in the run up to the changes. X61 branding was sorted prior to that being launched.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 10, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
True @Stu I may of been a bit hasty with my comment and granted have not used the X12 yet only the X70 but agreed the next stop announcements should of been sorted when they updated the blinds ready for the start of the X12 last weekend. Unless it is not that simple a job to undertake in a short space of time
Again, they've known about the X12 for weeks. The equipment is already installed in the buses. It could have all been set up and preloaded in advance, just wouldn't have done anything until the driver sets the displays to the X12 route. (If, as I understand correctly how this works, it is linked to how the driver sets the Hanover display)
I can understand the delay to getting the X1 and X2 announcements updated, as its updating data for current routes. But I can't see any reason why the X12 couldn't have had working audio/visual announcements from the date of launch.
Apparently theres something wrong with them but will be on within the next couple of days.
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
Again, they've known about the X12 for weeks. The equipment is already installed in the buses. It could have all been set up and preloaded in advance, just wouldn't have done anything until the driver sets the displays to the X12 route. (If, as I understand correctly how this works, it is linked to how the driver sets the Hanover display)
I can understand the delay to getting the X1 and X2 announcements updated, as its updating data for current routes. But I can't see any reason why the X12 couldn't have had working audio/visual announcements from the date of launch.
Ok mate I'm sorry I wasn't sure how the next stop announcements worked when a new route is set-up, so thank you for educating me.
@Stu. I agree totally with what you're saying about NXWN knowing about the X12 for quite a while prior to the actual announcement of the new routes for the 4/6/17 changes. Hopefully this will be sorted out in the next few days to a week and the next stop announcements will be up and running complete with the new red branding which
@Mike K has said in an earlier post.
(from the AG thread to save veering a bit off topic)
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2017, 07:52:27 PM
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Like with the X70, I like the idea of better serving passengers from outlying areas, by avoiding the parts of a route that slow down a journey through 'inner' areas. As long as there are still regular 'all-stops' services through these inner areas, such as Washwood Heath and Ward End for example, due to their proximity to the city centre, they're not missing out when it comes to journey time, compared to passengers at the outer ends of a route. The problem really though is a lack of main trunk roads from the city centre that buses could 'express' along.
As evident from the X61 and X10, express buses don't necessarily need bypass roads to work, but even then I can't really think of another route that could support an express service, beyond potentially the 50 (non stop Digbeth - Moseley?) or a "flexible" route to some point along the Stratford Road (Hall Green?). Something to Dudley perhaps?
Quote from: Kevin on June 11, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
(from the AG thread to save veering a bit off topic)
As evident from the X61 and X10, express buses don't necessarily need bypass roads to work, but even then I can't really think of another route that could support an express service, beyond potentially the 50 (non stop Digbeth - Moseley?) or a "flexible" route to some point along the Stratford Road (Hall Green?). Something to Dudley perhaps?
The difference with the X12 and X70 is that they use 'express' trunk roads as a 'launchpad' in order to get to outlying areas beyond the inner city.
If there were never any problems with the M6 (which there always are so this next bit will always remain a pipedream), you could potentially have an 'X74', which used Aston Expressway, M6 and M5 to get to West Bromwich, before continuing along the regular 74 route. Or potentially even after West Brom, use the Black Country New Road to Great Bridge. All this of course is hypothetical, and I don't know how many passengers would actually benefit from this, as large parts of the route would be missed out (while served by a 'regular' 74 service alongside it). Hope you get the theory though. But as I said at the start, due to constant congestion on the motorway, the idea is a non-starter. So there, I've made a suggestion, and rubbished it in the same post! ;)
Quote from: Stu on June 11, 2017, 08:32:21 PM
The difference with the X12 and X70 is that they use 'express' trunk roads as a 'launchpad' in order to get to outlying areas beyond the inner city.
If there were never any problems with the M6 (which there always are so this next bit will always remain a pipedream), you could potentially have an 'X74', which used Aston Expressway, M6 and M5 to get to West Bromwich, before continuing along the regular 74 route. Or potentially even after West Brom, use the Black Country New Road to Great Bridge. All this of course is hypothetical, and I don't know how many passengers would actually benefit from this, as large parts of the route would be missed out (while served by a 'regular' 74 service alongside it). Hope you get the theory though. But as I said at the start, due to constant congestion on the motorway, the idea is a non-starter. So there, I've made a suggestion, and rubbished it in the same post! ;)
Those areas have a fast link into Birmingham in the Metro
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2017, 09:12:20 PM
Those areas have a fast link into Birmingham in the Metro
But the Metro will no longer be anything to do with NX soon
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2017, 09:20:14 PM
But the Metro will no longer be anything to do with NX soon
But you'll not compete with the Metro on speed into Birmingham whichever route you take whoever's operating it.
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
But you'll not compete with the Metro on speed into Birmingham whichever route you take whoever's operating it.
No but you can on capacity, its forever completely wedged at peaks as the trams aren't big enough and people stand the whole trip.
More to do with frequency than size of trams. Should be every 4 mins in peak now.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 11, 2017, 10:05:33 PM
More to do with frequency than size of trams. Should be every 4 mins in peak now.
But whoever operates it, would they operate a 4 minute frequency and if they could, would it work and would they have enough trams.
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
But you'll not compete with the Metro on speed into Birmingham whichever route you take whoever's operating it.
I agree that the Metro has the advantage over quicker journey times in to B'ham, those can't be matched by the bus, but using the Metro is quite a lot more expensive. Once the management contract moves from NX to TfWM, NX are no longer obliged not to compete with Metro for passenegrs to increase the number using their buses along the Soho Rd corridor.
If NX could offer a combination of both faster journey times & special promotional fares, that may be enough to attract some Metro passengers back on to the bus.
Would an 'X29' between Walsall and Wolverhampton, using the Black Country Route be a possibility?
Or are there other places where the BCRs could be used?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 12, 2017, 12:19:13 PM
Would an 'X29' between Walsall and Wolverhampton, using the Black Country Route be a possibility?
Or are there other places where the BCRs could be used?
Merry Hill - Dudley - Walsall via BCR
Did I read the X12 changes drivers in town? If so wouldnt this route be more suited to BC?
I used the X12 on Thursday when I was in Birmingham and the driver of the bus I travelled on changed over with a colleague at Solihull.
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2017, 10:21:01 AM
I agree that the Metro has the advantage over quicker journey times in to B'ham, those can't be matched by the bus, but using the Metro is quite a lot more expensive. Once the management contract moves from NX to TfWM, NX are no longer obliged not to compete with Metro for passenegrs to increase the number using their buses along the Soho Rd corridor.
If NX could offer a combination of both faster journey times & special promotional fares, that may be enough to attract some Metro passengers back on to the bus.
I actually think the moving of the Metro from NX to TfWM is a bit of a kick in the teeth for NX.
Why didn't Centro run it from the beginning instead of letting NX have all the initial teething problems and then when it starts to show signs of being a success saying, right we will run it now.
If i were NX, when TfWM take over i would flood the route with extra buses and promotional fares, see how TfWM like it then.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
I actually think the moving of the Metro from NX to TfWM is a bit of a kick in the teeth for NX.
Why didn't Centro run it from the beginning instead of letting NX have all the initial teething problems and then when it starts to show signs of being a success saying, right we will run it now.
If i were NX, when TfWM take over i would flood the route with extra buses and promotional fares, see how TfWM like it then.
It was only an operating contract, so didn't generate that much revenue & I think from memory based on latest accounts was making a small loss.
By TfWM taking over the operation of the Metro, the Metro + Bus travelcard option & Metro Passes which currently include unlimted travel on NX buses could be withdrawn at the same time, leaving Metro passengers faced with having to pay more for Metro passes + Nbus which is typically more expensive.
If the above scenario happens, TfWM are effectively isloating the Metro from the NX bus network which could have a negative effect on Metro passenger numbers.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 12, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
Did I read the X12 changes drivers in town? If so wouldnt this route be more suited to BC?
They change in Town on the Priory Queensway, yes.
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
It was only an operating contract, so didn't generate that much revenue & I think from memory based on latest accounts was making a small loss.
By TfWM taking over the operation of the Metro, the Metro + Bus travelcard option & Metro Passes which currently include unlimted travel on NX buses could be withdrawn at the same time, leaving Metro passengers faced with having to pay more for Metro passes + Nbus which is typically more expensive.
If the above scenario happens, TfWM are effectively isloating the Metro from the NX bus network which could have a negative effect on Metro passenger numbers.
So much for the 'integrated multi-modal' network they're supposedly trying to push then. Perhaps TfWM should send a team down to London armed with some Oyster cards, to see how it should be done. One Oyster card, that seamlessly allows travel on buses, the Tube, and Overground train services, as well as the DLR. We're still so far behind here in the West Midlands...
Quote from: Stu on June 12, 2017, 07:54:43 PM
So much for the 'integrated multi-modal' network they're supposedly trying to push then. Perhaps TfWM should send a team down to London armed with some Oyster cards, to see how it should be done. One Oyster card, that seamlessly allows travel on buses, the Tube, and Overground train services, as well as the DLR. We're still so far behind here in the West Midlands...
You have hit the nail on the head there
@Stu , the West Midlands does need a system like London where you can travel around with your oyster card and you don't have to worry, even contactless if some form of agreement can be reached with all the operators so that price caps can apply in line with NBus fares or daytrippers.
The system also needs to be as reliable as the Oyster system is, you hear of very very few breakdowns and also it needs to have a dedicated hotline so issues can be sorted out quickly and efficiently.
Platinum X12 Next Stop announcements weren't even showing the national express west midlands it usually does today. A sign of the announcements coming tomorrow?
Quote from: Jack D on June 12, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
Platinum X12 Next Stop announcements weren't even showing the national express west midlands it usually does today. A sign of the announcements coming tomorrow?
They appear to have sorted out the ones on the X1 and X2, since yesterday I haven't heard them announcing 'Deakins Road'. Which has removed some uncertainty for passengers, or at least those slightly bemused when the bus has sailed straight past...
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
You have hit the nail on the head there @Stu , the West Midlands does need a system like London where you can travel around with your oyster card and you don't have to worry, even contactless if some form of agreement can be reached with all the operators so that price caps can apply in line with NBus fares or daytrippers.
The system also needs to be as reliable as the Oyster system is, you hear of very very few breakdowns and also it needs to have a dedicated hotline so issues can be sorted out quickly and efficiently.
My biggest issue is that I have one SWIFT card with my monthly NX Direct Debit Regional Faresaver on, which I use on NX Bus services. I also have another, with some nBus Day Tickets loaded on (for future occasional use, when I plan a day out using other operators buses). If I also then wanted a Pay-As-You-Go (for occasional infrequent use), that would be THREE SWIFT cards I'd have in total.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
You have hit the nail on the head there @Stu , the West Midlands does need a system like London where you can travel around with your oyster card and you don't have to worry, even contactless if some form of agreement can be reached with all the operators so that price caps can apply in line with NBus fares or daytrippers.
The system also needs to be as reliable as the Oyster system is, you hear of very very few breakdowns and also it needs to have a dedicated hotline so issues can be sorted out quickly and efficiently.
The problem is that just because TfWM has a TfL like name, it has a fraction of the funding per head of population and none of the vast back office facilities that are required for the Oyster system, or the infrastructure. Don't forget that everything in London is effectively still state owned and run whereas here the operators are expected to invest alongside TfWM. It is scandalous that there is still such a variance between regions but it is there.
I see on the news that a platinum bus caught fire in Birmingham City Centre today.
6839 I believe
Travelled on the X12 today on 6706/07 & both had full stopping points info working.
6701 next stop working as well.
Also gained unlimited bus travel for under £2 per day on upper deck front windows
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Also gained unlimited bus travel for under £2 per day on upper deck front windows
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Had that since the fares went up in January. @Brummie45
I stand to be corrected but I think the X10 was fully platinum today 6712 ex rear Rta damage back on the road
@Tony
None in the garage when I was there at 1530
Quote from: karl724223 on June 16, 2017, 05:46:20 PM
I stand to be corrected but I think the X10 was fully platinum today 6712 ex rear Rta damage back on the road @Tony
Has the X10 going Platinum made any noticeable difference to passenger numbers?
Quote from: Brummie45 on June 16, 2017, 02:12:30 PM
6701 next stop working as well.
Also gained unlimited bus travel for under £2 per day on upper deck front windows
It's working on 6702 as well.
The unlimited bus travel for under £2 on the upper deck front window isn't new and it's had it since January.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 16, 2017, 05:46:20 PM
I stand to be corrected but I think the X10 was fully platinum today 6712 ex rear Rta damage back on the road @Tony
Well the full platinum x10 didn't last long
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 17, 2017, 04:44:23 PM
Well the full platinum x10 didn't last long
Pensnett only has enough platinums for route no spares. Rather have a bus show than have a 40 mins wait.
Maybe another platinum required attention...
Quote from: Chris on June 17, 2017, 05:42:24 PM
Pensnett only has enough platinums for route no spares. Rather have a bus show than have a 40 mins wait.
Maybe another platinum required attention...
Every bus has to have an inspection every 28 days as well, so each bus is going to be missing once a month even if it is running to 100% availability
Quote from: Brummie45 on June 16, 2017, 02:12:30 PM
6701 next stop working as well.
Also gained unlimited bus travel for under £2 per day on upper deck front windows
I've noticed that the next stop announcement declares that the bus runs non stop from City to Bromford as it leaves Birmingham. I think this is quite a good move from NX and I think it could be good to implement on other Platinum routes such as the X51? As I see a lot of people get on the X51 thinking it stops at the same stops as the other Platinum routes (934/5/6/7/A and 997/E) along Newtown Row.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 18, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
I've noticed that the next stop announcement declares that the bus runs non stop from City to Bromford as it leaves Birmingham. I think this is quite a good move from NX and I think it could be good to implement on other Platinum routes such as the X51? As I see a lot of people get on the X51 thinking it stops at the same stops as the other Platinum routes (934/5/6/7/A and 997/E) along Newtown Row.
It's an interesting suggestion, however the announcement would need to be made before the bus sets off, in order to give passengers the chance to get off.
I did catch the X51 myself on Thursday, and was surprised at how few stops there were. No complaints from me though, got from city centre to the Scott Arms in just over 15 minutes.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 18, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
I've noticed that the next stop announcement declares that the bus runs non stop from City to Bromford as it leaves Birmingham. I think this is quite a good move from NX and I think it could be good to implement on other Platinum routes such as the X51? As I see a lot of people get on the X51 thinking it stops at the same stops as the other Platinum routes (934/5/6/7/A and 997/E) along Newtown Row.
It says,
"The next stop in Priory Queensway Birmingham City Centre, this bus will now run express, non stop to the City Centre where this bus will terminate, all change, all change"
and
"The next stop is Bromford Road, Bromford Lane, this bus will now run express, non stop to Bromford".
It announces it as the bus leaves the stop in the City Centre and on Farmhurst Road.
The other day I was on a City bound X51. When we stopped at Perry Avenue the driver used the PA to announce that the next stop would be Aston University and then waited a few seconds to see if anyone wanted to get off. Well done that man!
But could not the automatic system make a similar announcement before the stop at Perry Avenue, and not until the bus has left the stop as at present? A bit late then...
If the announcement was made at Walsall those joining the bus along the route would not hear it.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 18, 2017, 05:31:46 PM
The other day I was on a City bound X51. When we stopped at Perry Avenue the driver used the PA to announce that the next stop would be Aston University and then waited a few seconds to see if anyone wanted to get off. Well done that man!
But could not the automatic system make a similar announcement before the stop at Perry Avenue, and not until the bus has left the stop as at present? A bit late then...
If the announcement was made at Walsall those joining the bus along the route would not hear it.
I'm on 6731 on the X51 from City at the moment and the driver has just done it at the Children's Hospital. Possibly the same one then. I suppose it saves the aggro when passengers come and start moaning when the bus doesn't stop in-between City and Perry Avenue.
Just a quick one,
Ive noticed on X12 towards Solihull in smiths wood the bus announces Smiths Wood School when there is no stop and then chester road when there is no stop is that meant to happen. I think its because there is a stop towards City only.
Quote from: Jack D on June 22, 2017, 06:05:40 PM
Just a quick one,
Ive noticed on X12 towards Solihull in smiths wood the bus announces Smiths Wood School when there is no stop and then chester road when there is no stop is that meant to happen. I think its because there is a stop towards City only.
The stops are shown on the route page:
https://journeyplanner.networkwestmidlands.com/Timetables/cen_33X12_A_H_y11/2/Outbound/0
Perhaps the to city stops show 'And Opposite'?
Quote from: Stu on June 22, 2017, 06:50:16 PM
The stops are shown on the route page:
https://journeyplanner.networkwestmidlands.com/Timetables/cen_33X12_A_H_y11/2/Outbound/0
Perhaps the to city stops show 'And Opposite'?
There's not even and opposite on the stops towards Birmingham either by Smiths Wood School.
Towards Solihull there is a stop at Woodoecker Grove then the next one is on the Chester Road.
Rules for platinum drivers have been relaxed drivers don't have to wear a tie in the summer months now and they can have the top button of their shirt undone
Quote from: karl724223 on June 23, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
Rules for platinum drivers have been relaxed drivers don't have to wear a tie in the summer months now and they can have the top button of their shirt undone
What are you? Attending secondary school again?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 23, 2017, 04:18:32 PM
What are you? Attending secondary school again?
If you ever get into the real world you will find all employers have some rules. Part of the reason for the Secondary school regime is to actually get people into the mind set that employers want.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 18, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
I've noticed that the next stop announcement declares that the bus runs non stop from City to Bromford as it leaves Birmingham
Just experienced this on 6710 into city. Made me wonder why the effort putting the announcement there when it would make more sense announcing something at the old Clock Garage stop, because at least then there's an easier opportunity to change onto a local route, Farnhurst Road you just have the 11
X96 and X10 fully platinum today first time in ages I think
Looks like the Platinum's with advert frames have had vinyls stuck on the side advertising features of Platinum such as Free Wi-Fi, extra legroom or USB sockets (on the Voith one's).
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 14, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
Looks like the Platinum's with advert frames have had vinyls stuck on the side advertising features of Platinum such as Free Wi-Fi, extra legroom or USB sockets (on the Voith one's).
......when the plug sockets on them work,that is.....
Is the x10 the most common route to not be fully platinum operated?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 14, 2017, 07:49:43 PM
Is the x10 the most common route to not be fully platinum operated?
The platinum X12 has Gemini on it most days
@Trident 4194
Happens most days as said before there are only enough platinums to cover the x10 if one platinum is unavailable then an standard MMC covers. Same goes for the Suttons I have seen a few days when the odd pretenda-platinum Gemini goes on them.
End of the day I think NX rather a substitute pretenda-platinum goes on to the route than a lose of revenue without running that board.
BC has the E400 4781/2/5 on stand by for X1/2
PN has their MMC and maybe a B7rle on stand by
AG has the Geminis on standby for the x12
WA have e400s and b7rles if needed
WN have a surplus of platinums hence the odd one or two sneak on the 255 sometimes failing the surplus the odd non compliant Trident which Tony has stated they can use if no other "emissions compliant" buses are available
Quote from: Chris on July 14, 2017, 08:19:06 PM
BC has the E400 4781/2/5 on stand by for X1/2
From what I've seen they don't really get on there very often anymore.
Also what do you mean by on standby, surely they don't have them all parked up waiting to go out specifically for when theres no platinums available, or one breaks down?
As in if a platinum is not available they will use that type instead