An Unexpected visitor to Mary Stevens Park yesterday was this Volvo B12B/Plaxton Panther operating the 125 instead of the usual Dennis/Dart
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/134764_10151201552138116_551266094_o.jpg?dl=1)
Whats the least expected visitor you have seen??
Whittle have also put a coach on the 192 as well. This one has been on it at least twice,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6198478866/in/set-72157627664280575
Evening all,
I'm not sure if anyone knows this but Whittle Coach & Bus Ltd of Kidderminster have recently had ex-EYMS fleet no.334 (Y213 HWJ) transferred from EYMS to KidderminsterSee here -> (http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/vehicle.aspx?intvehicleid=112) Should I see anymore "new" additions to Whittles I will post them here.
- Will, Kidderminster
They have also acquired the below vehicle from Central Buses.
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Does anyone know how much it costs for an adult fare on the 192 between Halesowen and Stourport (a return fare if possible or whatever is cheaper if they do a day ticket) I have tried their website but no information is there on any fare prices. Thanks in advance.
Those wonderful people at Traveline don't seem to have caught up with the sale to EYMS yet, still showing services as operated by RA & DL Whittle.
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EYMS MB 418 YX51MUO was in service last week at Kidderminster still in EYMS livery.
here is a link from whittles site giving details of the the fleet and recent renunberings
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
whittles are advertising for bus drivers, coach drivers and fitters in local paper
Might be because they are propering to start a war on diamond for services like the X3 303 and then maybe some Services in Redditch to interwork with the X3. Just a thought....
or even whittles and diamond start one in Worcester, , think though maybe one in the Kidderminster area
Quote from: bowler on February 08, 2013, 10:07:33 AM
whittles are advertising for bus drivers, coach drivers and fitters in local paper
as well I have heard whittles are getting more vehicles coming down , do not know if they are replacement or extra ones
This could prove to be very interesting. After all Whittles are a much more recognised name in Kidderminster as opposed to Diamond Bus... and lets not forget that Whittles saw First withdraw off the 1 Kidderminster - Rifle Range circular a few years back.
I imagine things are going to hot up on the 2 & 3 routes in particular, with perhaps Whittles also moving in on the 10 Spennels route as well.
Quote from: sonic84 on February 20, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
This could prove to be very interesting. After all Whittles are a much more recognised name in Kidderminster as opposed to Diamond Bus... and lets not forget that Whittles saw First withdraw off the 1 Kidderminster - Rifle Range circular a few years back.
I imagine things are going to hot up on the 2 & 3 routes in particular, with perhaps Whittles also moving in on the 10 Spennels route as well.
Whittle's may as well seize the opportunity, I don't think Rotala will have much muscle.....
If we're honest about it, if just redditch on its own had been for sale, rotala would probably have just bought that and not kidderminster as its redditch they were clearly after.
Quote from: Peter123 on February 20, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
If we're honest about it, if just redditch on its own had been for sale, rotala would probably have just bought that and not kidderminster as its redditch they were clearly after.
I agree, I think it was Redditch & Kidderminster together or nothing for prospective bidders
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2013, 06:00:09 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on February 20, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
This could prove to be very interesting. After all Whittles are a much more recognised name in Kidderminster as opposed to Diamond Bus... and lets not forget that Whittles saw First withdraw off the 1 Kidderminster - Rifle Range circular a few years back.
I imagine things are going to hot up on the 2 & 3 routes in particular, with perhaps Whittles also moving in on the 10 Spennels route as well.
Whittle's may as well seize the opportunity, I don't think Rotala will have much muscle...
whittles did run on the 10 for sometime but they pulled off as first changed there timetable so they where just in front. of them.
Quote from: sonic84 on February 20, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
This could prove to be very interesting. After all Whittles are a much more recognised name in Kidderminster as opposed to Diamond Bus... and lets not forget that Whittles saw First withdraw off the 1 Kidderminster - Rifle Range circular a few years back.
I imagine things are going to hot up on the 2 & 3 routes in particular, with perhaps Whittles also moving in on the 10 Spennels route as well.
Agree totally, I have friends in Kidderminster and they all say that Whittles are a well respected operator anda trusted name in the town, compared to First after all the cutbacks of recent years.
It is very much a case of who are Diamond Bus, so if Diamond struggle with reliability in their first few months, then Whittles could go in and clean up.
Quote from: D10 on February 20, 2013, 09:21:48 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on February 20, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
This could prove to be very interesting. After all Whittles are a much more recognised name in Kidderminster as opposed to Diamond Bus... and lets not forget that Whittles saw First withdraw off the 1 Kidderminster - Rifle Range circular a few years back.
I imagine things are going to hot up on the 2 & 3 routes in particular, with perhaps Whittles also moving in on the 10 Spennels route as well.
Agree totally, I have friends in Kidderminster and they all say that Whittles are a well respected operator and trusted name in the time, compared to First after all the cutbacks of recent years.
It is very much a case of who are Diamond Bus, so if Diamond struggle with reliability in their first few months, then Whittles could go in and clean up.
I live there and you see whittles buses with more people on than first on the 2/ 2a/2c bewdley route and and the 3 the stourport route
Hello people, just to let you all know I was at Whittle's depot this afternoon (28/02/13) and I can confirm that V429 DNB is now off the road pending scrappage also whilst I was there I noted that YX03 MWK is V.O.R. pending an MOT/Service unsure when YX03 will return to service no other updates at present. I will report back as and when I find out new information.
is the MPD from Valley Travel W reg'd one now painted into fleet livery & does it every do the 192 or 125 service
Quote from: Solo1 on February 28, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Is the MPD from Valley Travel W reg'd one now painted into fleet livery & does it do the 192 or 125 service?
W694 EOP has been in Whittle livery since at least December and so far I have seen it on the 1/3/15 services in Kidderminster
Not sure about the 192 or 125 as they tend to be larger vehicles but its not uncommon to see an MPD either!
Quote from: Will1992 on February 28, 2013, 04:56:52 PMYX03 MWK is V.O.R. pending an MOT/Service unsure when YX03 will return to service no other updates at present.
Saw this vehicle on the 192 today...
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
whittles fleet list shows a wright cadet not crusader
Quote from: bewminster on March 07, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
whittles fleet list shows a wright cadet not crusader
Its on dart chassis so trust me its a crusader
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: bewminster on March 07, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
whittles fleet list shows a wright cadet not crusader
Its on dart chassis so trust me its a crusader
I do not know the difference between wright bodies
Quote from: bewminster on March 07, 2013, 08:29:51 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
Quote from: bewminster on March 07, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
whittles fleet list shows a wright cadet not crusader
Its on dart chassis so trust me its a crusader
I do not know the difference between wright bodies
The bodies are basically the same but have different names depending on which chassis they are on
Cadets are always on DAF chassis
Crusaders were the same body, but on Dennis Dart or Volvo B6 chassis
Cadets are wider than the crusaders as well
Quote from: Peter123 on March 07, 2013, 07:18:16 PM
Has the ex diamond crusader been seen yet?
I haven't seen it yet, having seen or been on just about all (by chance!) of the Whittle fleet since Christmas. From earlier posts I would assume it is a replacement for V429 DNB?
I think one of the things to kill off first in Kidderminster was the cost of there fares. I personally really hope diamond do well in Kidderminster but they must change there fares.....
my journey was the 292 to Kidderminster £3.70 then the 125 Kidderminster to Stourbridge £1.90 and shocking is that the journey length was about the same on both routes.
the fares really need to change to encourage people to use public transport!
Quote from: dannygill on March 20, 2013, 12:56:52 PM
I think one of the things to kill off first in Kidderminster was the cost of there fares. I personally really hope diamond do well in Kidderminster but they must change there fares.....
my journey was the 292 to Kidderminster £3.70 then the 125 Kidderminster to Stourbridge £1.90 and shocking is that the journey length was about the same on both routes.
the fares really need to change to encourage people to use public transport!
Totally agree. On Whittles it costs me £1.30 for a 16-19 day ticket that's valid throughout Stourport, Bewdley and Kidderminster.
The equivalent on Diamond would cost me £2.60 per day.
It's a no brainer for me!
(Plus the Whittle 192 goes closer to where I need to be)
Quote from: StourportSam on February 28, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on February 28, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Is the MPD from Valley Travel W reg'd one now painted into fleet livery & does it do the 192 or 125 service?
W694 EOP has been in Whittle livery since at least December and so far I have seen it on the 1/3/15 services in Kidderminster
Not sure about the 192 or 125 as they tend to be larger vehicles but its not uncommon to see an MPD either!
yes seen it on both 125/192 in the last few days
Whittles is the latest operator I have got up to the standard I want all the pages to be eventually with all my photos I have since 2005 now on an full vehicle histories (except on the 3 vehicles I don't have photos of yet)
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/fleetlist.html
Any error or correction please report via the Bugs & errors
152 looks rather interesting now with the new headlights and clear indicator covers. Still debating whether I like it or not.
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
Whittles is the latest operator I have got up to the standard I want all the pages to be eventually with all my photos I have since 2005 now on an full vehicle histories (except on the 3 vehicles I don't have photos of yet)
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/fleetlist.html
Any error or correction please report via the Bugs & errors
which do you not have tony lf I can will try and get them for you
Quote from: bewminster on April 04, 2013, 11:04:36 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
Whittles is the latest operator I have got up to the standard I want all the pages to be eventually with all my photos I have since 2005 now on an full vehicle histories (except on the 3 vehicles I don't have photos of yet)
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/fleetlist.html
Any error or correction please report via the Bugs & errors
which do you not have tony lf I can will try and get them for you
According to the fleetlist, its 21, 83 and 418.
there lease is up soon and deckers acquired by eyms some are suppose to be coming here
Competition is expecting from the likes of Whittle and not always a bad thing but as I'm guessing Rotala is the larger group if they really wanted to increase and turn up the competition on Whittle's they could, but it's similar in the west midlands on most of diamond's commercial services such as the 4 both NXWM and diamond have made money out the of the service for years and the rivalry has not been tense for a few years since Pete's Travel days.
place being considered by eyms management could hold up to 70 vehicles
Where r they thinking of moving somewhere in the town centre
Quote from: Ash on May 04, 2013, 11:33:03 PM
Competition is expecting from the likes of Whittle and not always a bad thing but as I'm guessing Rotala is the larger group if they really wanted to increase and turn up the competition on Whittle's they could, but it's similar in the west midlands on most of diamond's commercial services such as the 4 both NXWM and diamond have made money out the of the service for years and the rivalry has not been tense for a few years since Pete's Travel days.
Rotala is the larger group, but not by that much. At present Rotala are probably the under dogs in Kidderminster owning the ex First operation, as Whittle's have built up a loyal following & already compete on most of Diamond's town routes
Quote from: Solo1 on May 05, 2013, 05:40:48 PM
Where r they thinking of moving somewhere in the town centre
the senior managent of eyms have been visting a site very close in same area
Has whittles 2 yards as the the yard I've seen
looks small
Quote from: Solo1 on May 06, 2013, 10:47:56 AM
Has whittles 2 yards as the the yard I've seen
looks small
the place being looked at is by the recycling plant(might be within) that can be seen from the current yard.
nothing 1005 yet
Do you have any more information at the moment please Bewminster? Double Deckers sound exciting...
I have no more information on this
Spoke to someone from whittle today he
didn't know any think about the deckers
Does anybody know what Whittle's single fares are on local services?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Does anybody know what Whittle's single fares are on local services?
I'm not sure if this helps but to cover the whole Wyre Forest area i.e. Stourport Bewdley and Kidderminster a day ticket costs £2.30
They can probably help you on 01562 820002
Quote from: StourportSam on May 23, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Does anybody know what Whittle's single fares are on local services?
I'm not sure if this helps but to cover the whole Wyre Forest area i.e. Stourport Bewdley and Kidderminster a day ticket costs £2.30
They can probably help you on 01562 820002
Thanks - is that child or adult rate?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 23, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 23, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Does anybody know what Whittle's single fares are on local services?
I'm not sure if this helps but to cover the whole Wyre Forest area i.e. Stourport Bewdley and Kidderminster a day ticket costs £2.30
They can probably help you on 01562 820002
Thanks - is that child or adult rate?
Pick up a whittles guide from Stourbridge Bus Station. I am sure they have the prices for all tickets in there. I will try to find mine and post prices.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 23, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 23, 2013, 02:42:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Does anybody know what Whittle's single fares are on local services?
I'm not sure if this helps but to cover the whole Wyre Forest area i.e. Stourport Bewdley and Kidderminster a day ticket costs £2.30
They can probably help you on 01562 820002
Thanks - is that child or adult rate?
Adult rate.
I don't know what the child price is but there is also a ticket for people aged 16-19 and students at £1.30, valid same as above.
There is also an option for a Wyre Forest + 192 to Halesowen ticket, I believe this costs around £3/4.
Unlimited travel on all Whittle services costs £6.50 I think adult or £4.50 16-19, can't remember child prices.
Hope this helps.
As an example a single from Areley Kings to Stourport is around £1.20 and single Stourport to Kidderminster about £2 - I think.
I only buy the 16-19 day ticket so am unfamiliar with other fares.
Of course as mentioned in other topics there is a Kidderminster Connecta ticket at £3 adult.
This gives unlimited travel in the Wyre Forest on ALL Whittle, Diamond, R&B, Woosh, Hollands services, etc. for a day.
One of Whittle's Buses caught fire yesterday -> http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/10516152.Bus_on_fire_in_Hagley/?ref=mr
It wasnt one of their Mercs like PE is it? Lol.
Quote from: s94 on June 29, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
One of Whittle's Buses caught fire yesterday -> http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/10516152.Bus_on_fire_in_Hagley/?ref=mr
It wasnt one of their Mercs like PE is it? Lol.
nothing with PE in there fleetlist here is link to fleetlist on there site http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
Quote from: bewminster on June 29, 2013, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 29, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
One of Whittle's Buses caught fire yesterday -> http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/10516152.Bus_on_fire_in_Hagley/?ref=mr
It wasnt one of their Mercs like PE is it? Lol.
nothing with PE in there fleetlist here is link to fleetlist on there site http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
He meant NXWM's PE (Pensnett) garage, who've had a few Mercs catching fire too.
Quote from: bewminster on June 29, 2013, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 29, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
One of Whittle's Buses caught fire yesterday -> http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/10516152.Bus_on_fire_in_Hagley/?ref=mr
It wasnt one of their Mercs like PE is it? Lol.
nothing with PE in there fleetlist here is link to fleetlist on there site http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
No I know that, I meant Whittles have Mercs like Pensnett garage for NXWM.
As per the Network West Midlands and Staffs CC Service Changes pages, a Sunday service will operate on the 125 during the main Summer School Holidays. :)
Not sure if this is a Commercial development of subsidised by one or more of the local authorities, but well done whoever thought of this, hopefully it will be well used and perhaps can continue on other Sundays too.
Particularly useful for providing links to Kidderminster and Bewdley. For the latter town it will restore Sunday bus services if only for a limited time.
Quote from: D10 on June 29, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
As per the Network West Midlands and Staffs CC Service Changes pages, a Sunday service will operate on the 125 during the main Summer School Holidays. :)
Not sure if this is a Commercial development of subsidised by one or more of the local authorities, but well done whoever thought of this, hopefully it will be well used and perhaps can continue on other Sundays too.
Particularly useful for providing links to Kidderminster and Bewdley. For the latter town it will restore Sunday bus services if only for a limited time.
just looked at WCC website for the times it looks more like a leisure service for people from Stourbridge to get to Kidderminster or bewdley for a couple of hours or to go on to bridgnorth following the severn valley
Quote from: D10 on June 29, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
As per the Network West Midlands and Staffs CC Service Changes pages, a Sunday service will operate on the 125 during the main Summer School Holidays. :)
Not sure if this is a Commercial development of subsidised by one or more of the local authorities, but well done whoever thought of this, hopefully it will be well used and perhaps can continue on other Sundays too.
Particularly useful for providing links to Kidderminster and Bewdley. For the latter town it will restore Sunday bus services if only for a limited time.
taken from wwc website july 28th start
Service 125 (Whittle Coach & Bus)
Stourbridge – Kidderminster – Bewdley - Bridgnorth
A commercial service will be introduced of three journeys per day on Sundays for the school
summer holiday period, until 8th September 2013.
No service on Late Summer Bank Holiday Monday and no change to the Monday to Saturday
service.
Quote from: bewminster on July 01, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: D10 on June 29, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
As per the Network West Midlands and Staffs CC Service Changes pages, a Sunday service will operate on the 125 during the main Summer School Holidays. :)
Not sure if this is a Commercial development of subsidised by one or more of the local authorities, but well done whoever thought of this, hopefully it will be well used and perhaps can continue on other Sundays too.
Particularly useful for providing links to Kidderminster and Bewdley. For the latter town it will restore Sunday bus services if only for a limited time.
taken from wwc website july 28th start
Service 125 (Whittle Coach & Bus)
Stourbridge – Kidderminster – Bewdley - Bridgnorth
A commercial service will be introduced of three journeys per day on Sundays for the school
summer holiday period, until 8th September 2013.
No service on Late Summer Bank Holiday Monday and no change to the Monday to Saturday
service.
Kidderminster - Bridgnorth section competing with the SVR? ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 01, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
Quote from: bewminster on July 01, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: D10 on June 29, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
As per the Network West Midlands and Staffs CC Service Changes pages, a Sunday service will operate on the 125 during the main Summer School Holidays. :)
Not sure if this is a Commercial development of subsidised by one or more of the local authorities, but well done whoever thought of this, hopefully it will be well used and perhaps can continue on other Sundays too.
Particularly useful for providing links to Kidderminster and Bewdley. For the latter town it will restore Sunday bus services if only for a limited time.
taken from wwc website july 28th start
Service 125 (Whittle Coach & Bus)
Stourbridge – Kidderminster – Bewdley - Bridgnorth
A commercial service will be introduced of three journeys per day on Sundays for the school
summer holiday period, until 8th September 2013.
No service on Late Summer Bank Holiday Monday and no change to the Monday to Saturday
service.
Kidderminster - Bridgnorth section competing with the SVR? ;D
it does but it does serve villages along that part of the route that are no where near railway and it is another way to go along the severn valley. could this be start of things to come in the area
Quote from: Stu on June 29, 2013, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: bewminster on June 29, 2013, 12:37:52 PM
Quote from: s94 on June 29, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
One of Whittle's Buses caught fire yesterday -> http://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/news/10516152.Bus_on_fire_in_Hagley/?ref=mr
It wasnt one of their Mercs like PE is it? Lol.
nothing with PE in there fleetlist here is link to fleetlist on there site http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
anyone know if vehicle was badley damaged .
He meant NXWM's PE (Pensnett) garage, who've had a few Mercs catching fire too.
Does anyone know which vehicle was involved in the fire please? Also how damaged it was? Thanks
Quote from: StourportSam on July 10, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
Does anyone know which vehicle was involved in the fire please? Also how damaged it was? Thanks
Judging by the DVLA records, it appears V428 DNB fleet number 152 was the bus involved in the fire a few weeks ago, as it has been SORNED.
Joining sister V429 DNB which has been off the road for some time...
Presumably to replace the fire damaged bus:
Quote from: EYMS Enthusiasts Twitter, 16th July
Bus 309 (W409 JAT) is on its way to Whittles on loan.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 18, 2013, 01:19:34 AM
Presumably to replace the fire damaged bus:
Quote from: EYMS Enthusiasts Twitter, 16th July
Bus 309 (W409 JAT) is on its way to Whittles on loan.
think it is already here as I saw a eyms liveried bus with a rear add on going in to Kidderminster busstation around 1pm today to far away to id it
Quote from: bewminster on July 18, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
think it is already here as I saw a eyms liveried bus with a rear add on going in to Kidderminster busstation around 1pm today to far away to id it
Just a thought - was what you saw 418? It's in EYMS livery and has been around since 2012 per Tony's webpage:
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/418.html
I saw it in Kidderminster bus station last Saturday.
Quote from: Ossie on July 18, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: bewminster on July 18, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
think it is already here as I saw a eyms liveried bus with a rear add on going in to Kidderminster busstation around 1pm today to far away to id it
Just a thought - was what you saw 418? It's in EYMS livery and has been around since 2012 per Tony's webpage:
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/418.html
I saw it in Kidderminster bus station last Saturday.
no seen that mini loads of times this was a full size vehicle
Quote from: bewminster on July 18, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Ossie on July 18, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: bewminster on July 18, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
think it is already here as I saw a eyms liveried bus with a rear add on going in to Kidderminster busstation around 1pm today to far away to id it
Just a thought - was what you saw 418? It's in EYMS livery and has been around since 2012 per Tony's webpage:
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/418.html
I saw it in Kidderminster bus station last Saturday.
no seen that mini loads of times this was a full size vehicle
Yes, that Beaver sticks out like a sore thumb in Whittle's mainly dart fleet!
think it was this is saw309 (W409 JAT) it is a volo. on loan from eyms coach 83 has gone the other way on loan until October
and also 65 VX55 OBU has gone there on loan has well but was sold to plaxton 12/12 so its a loan from them
Quote from: bewminster on July 19, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
think it was this is saw309 (W409 JAT) it is a volo. on loan from eyms coach 83 has gone the other way on loan until October
and also 65 VX55 OBU has gone there on loan has well but was sold to plaxton 12/12 so its a loan from them
I saw this bus today, passed it stopped on birchen coppice showing NOT IN SERVICE - ?
Whittles appeared to be running a reduced service on the 3 yet again today...
Quote from: bewminster on July 19, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
think it was this is saw309 (W409 JAT) it is a volo. on loan from eyms coach 83 has gone the other way on loan until October
and also 65 VX55 OBU has gone there on loan has well but was sold to plaxton 12/12 so its a loan from them
309 is venturing out today into the West Midlands on service 192. Might be worth a picture as you don't often see East Yorkshire buses in Halesowen!
Quote from: D10 on July 20, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
Quote from: bewminster on July 19, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
think it was this is saw309 (W409 JAT) it is a volo. on loan from eyms coach 83 has gone the other way on loan until October
and also 65 VX55 OBU has gone there on loan has well but was sold to plaxton 12/12 so its a loan from them
309 is venturing out today into the West Midlands on service 192. Might be worth a picture as you don't often see East Yorkshire buses in Halesowen!
Ah yes, didn't get a photo but saw it in kidder bus station while waiting for the 125
EYMS website now shows fleet no. 152 (V428 DNB) as sold.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 28, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
EYMS website now shows fleet no. 152 (V428 DNB) as sold.
wonder if 309 will become a replacement for it peremant
Quote from: bewminster on July 28, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 28, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
EYMS website now shows fleet no. 152 (V428 DNB) as sold.
wonder if 309 will become a replacement for it peremant
It would be nice if a few of the Wxxx JATs came down here permanently.
A new addition to the Whittle family is that of W409 JAT (ex-EYMS) although on it states on the EYMS website that it's on loan to Whittle's I however don't believe that's true I think it has been transferred down here and will eventually alongside (YX51 MUO - 418) be re-sprayed into Whittle colours could any corroborate whether 409 / 418 are here to stay ?
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
A new addition to the Whittle family is that of W409 JAT (ex-EYMS) although on it states on the EYMS website that it's on loan to Whittle's I however don't believe that's true I think it has been transferred down here and will eventually alongside (YX51 MUO - 418) be re-sprayed into Whittle colours could any corroborate whether 409 / 418 are here to stay ?
There could be further fleet changes during the next few months once First Manchester start releasing the Fingland's fleet back to EYMS
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
A new addition to the Whittle family is that of W409 JAT (ex-EYMS) although on it states on the EYMS website that it's on loan to Whittle's I however don't believe that's true I think it has been transferred down here and will eventually alongside (YX51 MUO - 418) be re-sprayed into Whittle colours could any corroborate whether 409 / 418 are here to stay ?
EYMS would not lie on their website which is extremely enthusiast friendly with an always up to date fleetlist. Why do you suspect they are not being truthful
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
A new addition to the Whittle family is that of W409 JAT (ex-EYMS) although on it states on the EYMS website that it's on loan to Whittle's I however don't believe that's true I think it has been transferred down here and will eventually alongside (YX51 MUO - 418) be re-sprayed into Whittle colours could any corroborate whether 409 / 418 are here to stay ?
They are on loan and W 409 JAT fleet number is 309 . and 418 would have been repainted by now the length of time it has been here
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2013, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
A new addition to the Whittle family is that of W409 JAT (ex-EYMS) although on it states on the EYMS website that it's on loan to Whittle's I however don't believe that's true I think it has been transferred down here and will eventually alongside (YX51 MUO - 418) be re-sprayed into Whittle colours could any corroborate whether 409 / 418 are here to stay ?
There could be further fleet changes during the next few months once First Manchester start releasing the Fingland's fleet back to EYMS
some of the Fingland's fleet are on loan to eyms already as shown on there site. .I think myself that maybe some single deckers could come down to whittles to replace some of the older darts , and the double deckers replace the older ones in Eyms fleet
I'm not suggesting that EYMS are lying but with the amount of time that YX51 MUO has been down here suggests to me that it's here for good as is W409 JAT what makes me think that is they have put a sticker on the near-side of both buses with the Whittle address on and have removed East Yorkshire's address on both vehicle's in the process surely if they weren't going to keep them both they would of left the East Yorkshire address on them right?
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 05:16:18 PM
I'm not suggesting that EYMS are lying but with the amount of time that YX51 MUO has been down here suggests to me that it's here for good as is W409 JAT what makes me think that is they have put a sticker on the near-side of both buses with the Whittle address on and have removed East Yorkshire's address on both vehicle's in the process surely if they weren't going to keep them both they would of left the East Yorkshire address on them right?
No - Any bus with an operator for over two weeks must operate on that operator's operating license. The legal address on the side of a vehicle should always match the operator's disc displayed, so it is a legal requirement that change is made
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 05:16:18 PM
I'm not suggesting that EYMS are lying but with the amount of time that YX51 MUO has been down here suggests to me that it's here for good as is W409 JAT what makes me think that is they have put a sticker on the near-side of both buses with the Whittle address on and have removed East Yorkshire's address on both vehicle's in the process surely if they weren't going to keep them both they would of left the East Yorkshire address on them right?
No - Any bus with an operator for over two weeks must operate on that operator's operating license. The legal address on the side of a vehicle should always match the operator's disc displayed, so it is a legal requirement that change is made
the legal lettering reads whittles part of the EYMS group can not remember exeact wording , and any vehicles to are transferred are usually painted before for they come down to whittles
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 13, 2013, 05:16:18 PM
I'm not suggesting that EYMS are lying but with the amount of time that YX51 MUO has been down here suggests to me that it's here for good as is W409 JAT what makes me think that is they have put a sticker on the near-side of both buses with the Whittle address on and have removed East Yorkshire's address on both vehicle's in the process surely if they weren't going to keep them both they would of left the East Yorkshire address on them right?
No - Any bus with an operator for over two weeks must operate on that operator's operating license. The legal address on the side of a vehicle should always match the operator's disc displayed, so it is a legal requirement that change is made
was on 418 this afternoon the correct eyms legal lettering is on the nearside side panel . and the whittles lettering is just on a sticker in the window by the door
I have been led to believe that the two buses from eyms recently are here because of a simple vehicle shortage. The latest bus for the whittle fleet w694 eop was bought in from outside eyms last December. Both 309 and 418 are non standard for whittle with most of the fleet being darts or enviro 200s. Let's not forget that 309 is only here because 153 was SORNED after the fire in June.
Quote from: StourportSam on August 16, 2013, 12:20:26 AM
I have been led to believe that the two buses from eyms recently are here because of a simple vehicle shortage. The latest bus for the whittle fleet w694 eop was bought in from outside eyms last December. Both 309 and 418 are non standard for whittle with most of the fleet being darts or enviro 200s. Let's not forget that 309 is only here because 153 was SORNED after the fire in June.
I mean 152. Also R409 FFC came in January from outside EYMS!
R409ffc was x diamond bus in the west midlands
Quote from: StourportSam on August 16, 2013, 12:20:26 AM
I have been led to believe that the two buses from eyms recently are here because of a simple vehicle shortage. The latest bus for the whittle fleet w694 eop was bought in from outside eyms last December. Both 309 and 418 are non standard for whittle with most of the fleet being darts or enviro 200s. Let's not forget that 309 is only here because 153 was SORNED after the fire in June.
418 has been here for about 12 months it came down for none psv work oridgandlly .
What exactly happened to 152? I know you said it was fire damaged but what exactly happened to it and where? And I also have an update on 418 today (17/08/13) I noticed that all East Yorkshire lettering (except the number) has been removed from it which leads me to believe that Whittle's now officially own it and will in due course spray it in their colours and number it in their fleet as "418" whether this is will happen remains to be seen...
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 17, 2013, 08:27:27 PM
What exactly happened to 152? I know you said it was fire damaged but what exactly happened to it and where? And I also have an update on 418 today (17/08/13) I noticed that all East Yorkshire lettering (except the number) has been removed from it which leads me to believe that Whittle's now officially own it and will in due course spray it in their colours and number it in their fleet as "418" whether this is will happen remains to be seen...
they may be just getting it ready for the none psv work it came down for oridgeanlly will not say what in case I am wrong.
Oh do you know something I don't??....
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 20, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
Oh do you know something I don't??....
I do know what it oridgeanlly came to be used. which was drivers rest room in Kidderminster bus station instead of using a coach .but never used for that they are using a transit van for that at this time, but with there being a diversion on the 2a on the Queensway bewdley which is only just about big enough for 418 you could more than likey right as the diversion is on for 6 months and maybe another mini joining it . I know no more than you. the spell check will not work on my pc
Quote from: bewminster on August 20, 2013, 03:32:18 PM
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 20, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
Oh do you know something I don't??....
I do know what it oridgeanlly came to be used. which was drivers rest room in Kidderminster bus station instead of using a coach .but never used for that they are using a transit van for that at this time, but with there being a diversion on the 2a on the Queensway bewdley which is only just about big enough for 418 you could more than likey right as the diversion is on for 6 months and maybe another mini joining it . I know no more than you. the spell check will not work on my pc
saw this today and legal lettering on the panel reads as the one in the window did when I saw it
last. and with east Yorkshire name paint out looks as it could being re painted or it,s for disposal after loan
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
I think it has been mentioned a while back it was withdrawn. I think both of the O405Ns are withdrawn, but don't take my work for it :)
Quote from: John on September 24, 2013, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
I think it has been mentioned a while back it was withdrawn. I think both of the O405Ns are withdrawn, but don't take my work for it :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
according to there fleetlist on there site it is , and tonys whittles fleet list it is , will keep my eyes open for it and let you know if isee it
think it was only 152 that was withdrawn not 100% sure thought
Quote from: bewminster on September 24, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
according to there fleetlist on there site it is , and tonys whittles fleet list it is , will keep my eyes open for it and let you know if isee it
I am planning to have a Whittles day sometime soon, possibly Saturday, and would love to be able to ride 153 and compare it to NXWM's
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: bewminster on September 24, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
according to there fleetlist on there site it is , and tonys whittles fleet list it is , will keep my eyes open for it and let you know if isee it
I am planning to have a Whittles day sometime soon, possibly Saturday, and would love to be able to ride 153 and compare it to NXWM's
It is definitely not in service and hasn't been for any of 2013. I'm quite sure it was removed from service back in late 2011/early 2012. 152 and 153 are certainly not operating any more :(
Quote from: iamwilljh92 on August 17, 2013, 08:27:27 PM
What exactly happened to 152? I know you said it was fire damaged but what exactly happened to it and where? And I also have an update on 418 today (17/08/13) I noticed that all East Yorkshire lettering (except the number) has been removed from it which leads me to believe that Whittle's now officially own it and will in due course spray it in their colours and number it in their fleet as "418" whether this is will happen remains to be seen...
just been looking through this thread post 33 has something about 152 from april this year.
Coach RCE 510 on the 3 today. Driver said it was because three buses were in for MOT and others are in for service meaning no buses available!
Quote from: StourportSam on September 25, 2013, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: bewminster on September 24, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
according to there fleetlist on there site it is , and tonys whittles fleet list it is , will keep my eyes open for it and let you know if isee it
I am planning to have a Whittles day sometime soon, possibly Saturday, and would love to be able to ride 153 and compare it to NXWM's
It is definitely not in service and hasn't been for any of 2013. I'm quite sure it was removed from service back in late 2011/early 2012. 152 and 153 are certainly not operating any more :(
For proof to my comment see http://www.flickr.com/photos/76008923@N04/9485457947 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76008923@N04/9485457947) (not my photo)
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
YX 51 MUO eyms 418 is shown on there list as allocated to hull but on whittles list is shown as on loan which it has be for about a year if not longer. W 409 JAT eyms 309 is shown on there list as on loan to whittles and does not even show on there list .
link to whittles site http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/
link to EYMS site http://www.eyms.co.uk/
I know bewminster this is the thing it says "on-loan" but it's more likely indefinite for both vehicles tbh
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:52:59 PM
I know bewminster this is the thing it says "on-loan" but it's more likely indefinite for both vehicles tbh
think the mini bus might be on extend loan while the work on the Queensway in Bewdley is taking place which is as you are most likely aware is part of the 2a route as that is all I have seen it work . and think as for 309 it might be a short term loan
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
It seems to be on the 192 most days, still looks odd to me though
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 27, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
It seems to be on the 192 most days, still looks odd to me though
W409 JAT is usually on the 192
YX51 is usually on the 2A
This is the case most days I've seen, but I have seem them both on the 3 before now.
W409 JAT is here after the vehicle fire which left Whittle one vehicle short for their operations I believe. I presume it was either a case of sending down what EYMS could spare OR a sign on things to come fleetwise once vehicles are released from Finglands.
YX51 has now been de-branded from EY markings and according to what Bewminster has said previously is destined to be used as the 'staff facilities' in Kidderminster bus station, which is currently done by a converted transit van. It does not appear to be needed back in Yorkshire due to its step access. I too like Bewminster thought it was seeing so much use on the 2A because of the roadworks in Wribbenhall. Those roads are bumpy at the best of times anyway.
I think Whittles need at least one more bus to cover their needs still. A driver I spoke to told me they were short of buses, he was driving a coach on service 3 at the time... :)
Quote from: StourportSam on October 28, 2013, 01:14:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 27, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
It seems to be on the 192 most days, still looks odd to me though
W409 JAT is usually on the 192
YX51 is usually on the 2A
This is the case most days I've seen, but I have seem them both on the 3 before now.
W409 JAT is here after the vehicle fire which left Whittle one vehicle short for their operations I believe. I presume it was either a case of sending down what EYMS could spare OR a sign on things to come fleetwise once vehicles are released from Finglands.
YX51 has now been de-branded from EY markings and according to what Bewminster has said previously is destined to be used as the 'staff facilities' in Kidderminster bus station, which is currently done by a converted transit van. It does not appear to be needed back in Yorkshire due to its step access. I too like Bewminster thought it was seeing so much use on the 2A because of the roadworks in Wribbenhall. Those roads are bumpy at the best of times anyway.
I think Whittles need at least one more bus to cover their needs still. A driver I spoke to told me they were short of buses, he was driving a coach on service 3 at the time... :)
what I said about 418 was true at the time it came down as I am a good friend with the person from the company took the driver up to Yorkshire and bring it back down here . but do not know what they have planed for it now , and not seen my friend for a long time to ask him
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 24, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
Is 153 (V429 DNB) still with Whittles?
I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages.
saw my friend from whittles tonight and askd him about 152/53 that have both been scraped l
Excellent piece of info that now Tony can officiallt mark them as having left the fleet.
Quote from: StourportSam on October 28, 2013, 01:14:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 27, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
It seems to be on the 192 most days, still looks odd to me though
W409 JAT is usually on the 192
YX51 is usually on the 2A
This is the case most days I've seen, but I have seem them both on the 3 before now.
W409 JAT is here after the vehicle fire which left Whittle one vehicle short for their operations I believe. I presume it was either a case of sending down what EYMS could spare OR a sign on things to come fleetwise once vehicles are released from Finglands.
YX51 has now been de-branded from EY markings and according to what Bewminster has said previously is destined to be used as the 'staff facilities' in Kidderminster bus station, which is currently done by a converted transit van. It does not appear to be needed back in Yorkshire due to its step access. I too like Bewminster thought it was seeing so much use on the 2A because of the roadworks in Wribbenhall. Those roads are bumpy at the best of times anyway.
I think Whittles need at least one more bus to cover their needs still. A driver I spoke to told me they were short of buses, he was driving a coach on service 3 at the time... :)
both the vehicle in eyms livery are only on loan and due to go back . 418 is of the road due to engine trouble, not sure when . some more buses are due can not say when or where from yet
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
or even maybe on more local routes in there operating area which is not just in kidderminster area
in the same advert It also sais for coach drivers for there own type of work & for national express coach drivers
think we will have to watch this space. ??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
The people of Kiddiminster want services to run later in the evening & Sunday's, I'd have thought that might come out in the Kiddiminster review.
Aren't Whittle's a bit limited for spare depot space?
Hmmmm sounds intriguing perhaps they will start doing 125 Kidder - Bridgnorth again like they were doing in the summer
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
The people of Kiddiminster want services to run later in the evening & Sunday's, I'd have thought that might come out in the Kiddiminster review.
Aren't Whittle's a bit limited for spare depot space?
think they are looking around as before the fire at the recycling plant they where looking at spare space there
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
The people of Kiddiminster want services to run later in the evening & Sunday's, I'd have thought that might come out in the Kiddiminster review.
Aren't Whittle's a bit limited for spare depot space?
This is what diamond are going to provide I imagine and Whittles also want to up their game. Nothing against whittles but their network is hardly comprehensive and the buses never seem particularly well presented. I think whittles managed to expand because first gave up-diamond certainly have not given up and I think they could give whittles a big run for their money, after all many of whittles routes are tendered or replicate diamond routes
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Don't see that diamond will be fighting them for the 125 when theyve got routes like the X3. The 125 can hardly be that profitable anyway.
Well it must be as it's been going nearly 40 years
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Well it must be as it's been going nearly 40 years
I'm sure its profitable for a small firm but I can't see its any contender compared to the money diamond can make on their other routes. Think whittles and diamond can co-exist but diamond will be looking to take back market share that was given to whittles.
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
As a customer though, if I looked at 30382 and 30388 and whittles darts I would think the diamond ones are newer as they are immaculate whereas some of whittles are battered at the very least.
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
Well it must be as it's been going nearly 40 years
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do you mean whittles or the route ? the company and route have been going a lot longer than 40 years
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 03, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
As a customer though, if I looked at 30382 and 30388 and whittles darts I would think the diamond ones are newer as they are immaculate whereas some of whittles are battered at the very least.
Those two should be, as they've just be pulled out of reserve & added to KR's allocation, are they also repainted allover blue?
Would they think the same if 30428 S405JUA & 30445 T418MNH pulled up alongside a Whittle's bus?
I was referring to the route 125
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 03, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
As a customer though, if I looked at 30382 and 30388 and whittles darts I would think the diamond ones are newer as they are immaculate whereas some of whittles are battered at the very least.
Those two should be, as they've just be pulled out of reserve & added to KR's allocation, are they also repainted allover blue?
Would they think the same if 30428 S405JUA & 30445 T418MNH pulled up alongside a Whittle's bus?
Yeah, 30382 at least is definitely overall blue but haven't seen 30388. And thats true about the other two darts-would imagine though that these two along with the ex first dart will be the next kidderminster buses to be withdrawn
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
The people of Kiddiminster want services to run later in the evening & Sunday's, I'd have thought that might come out in the Kiddiminster review.
Aren't Whittle's a bit limited for spare depot space?
Just a quick pointer Winston, in case it wasn't a typo, it's spelt Kidd
erminster :), despite its pronounciation by the locals!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 03, 2013, 06:19:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Saw an advert today for bus drivers for Whittles, interestingly it said it is to cover shifts Monday to Daturday days, although this may change due to company requirements.
Are Whittles looking to start evening/Sunday services?
The people of Kiddiminster want services to run later in the evening & Sunday's, I'd have thought that might come out in the Kiddiminster review.
Aren't Whittle's a bit limited for spare depot space?
Just a quick pointer Winston, in case it wasn't a typo, it's spelt Kidderminster :), despite its pronounciation by the locals!
Yes, I do know how to spell Kidderminster normally, trying to work at the same time as replying...... Just got the shortened locals version of 'Kiddi' in my head
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 03, 2013, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 03, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
As a customer though, if I looked at 30382 and 30388 and whittles darts I would think the diamond ones are newer as they are immaculate whereas some of whittles are battered at the very least.
Those two should be, as they've just be pulled out of reserve & added to KR's allocation, are they also repainted allover blue?
Would they think the same if 30428 S405JUA & 30445 T418MNH pulled up alongside a Whittle's bus?
Yeah, 30382 at least is definitely overall blue but haven't seen 30388. And thats true about the other two darts-would imagine though that these two along with the ex first dart will be the next kidderminster buses to be withdrawn
I can't really see those two being repainted, but you never know!
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 03, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
Yh that's all very well but I can't see Whittle's giving up ANY of they're routes to Diamond for example Whittles have been doing the 125 since at least the 1970s I can't see them giving that up with out a fight
Whittle's have also built up quite a loyal following, which Diamond will have to try & break if they are looking to increase ridership & market share. The fleets of both Diamond KR & Whittle's are pretty much like for like standardized on Darts, but now the older long Dart SLF's have been drafted in to KR replacing newer Solo's, Whittle's appear to have a more modern fleet than Diamond at present
As a customer though, if I looked at 30382 and 30388 and whittles darts I would think the diamond ones are newer as they are immaculate whereas some of whittles are battered at the very least.
Really?
When I travelled on KU52 RXW the other week it was filthy and in desperate need of a deep clean. Whittles buses are usually cleaner, and in summer are always clean on the outside. The buses I travel on are always clean and tidy and a few have had the seat mochette replaced very recently.
Also the two Diamond YJ06 solos that have just been bought are tired inside and have chewing gum on the seats, etc etc!!
Quote from: StourportSam on October 28, 2013, 01:14:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 27, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Will on October 27, 2013, 03:12:54 PM
What's the crack with the EYMS buses (namely YX51 MUO and W409 JAT respectively) are they staying or are they going back up to Yorkshire? They're obviously both still here (with W409 JAT doing the 125 run to Bridgnorth the other day I saw it) seems to me that they're going nowhere but I'm not entirely 100% sure what do we think here to stay or departing?
'W409 JAT' was on the 192 yesterday, strange sight in Halesowen!
It seems to be on the 192 most days, still looks odd to me though
W409 JAT is usually on the 192
YX51 is usually on the 2A
This is the case most days I've seen, but I have seem them both on the 3 before now.
W409 JAT is here after the vehicle fire which left Whittle one vehicle short for their operations I believe. I presume it was either a case of sending down what EYMS could spare OR a sign on things to come fleetwise once vehicles are released from Finglands.
YX51 has now been de-branded from EY markings and according to what Bewminster has said previously is destined to be used as the 'staff facilities' in Kidderminster bus station, which is currently done by a converted transit van. It does not appear to be needed back in Yorkshire due to its step access. I too like Bewminster thought it was seeing so much use on the 2A because of the roadworks in Wribbenhall. Those roads are bumpy at the best of times anyway.
I think Whittles need at least one more bus to cover their needs still. A driver I spoke to told me they were short of buses, he was driving a coach on service 3 at the time... :)
YY51 is now back on the road
Kidderminster Shuttle website reports Whittle services 7, 580, 192, 830, 831, 834 and 835 are likely to be withdrawn next September after Worcestershire County Council plans to scrap a £3 million taxpayer's subsidy for public transport.
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/local/10787910.Twenty_Wyre_Forest_bus_services_face_the_chop/
Quote from: StourportSam on November 07, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
Kidderminster Shuttle website reports Whittle services 7, 580, 192, 830, 831, 834 and 835 are likely to be withdrawn next September after Worcestershire County Council plans to scrap a £3 million taxpayer's subsidy for public transport.
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/local/10787910.Twenty_Wyre_Forest_bus_services_face_the_chop/
sam 3 of thoses are school services the 580 is only a couple times, the 7 and 192 are the only full time services
Quote from: bewminster on November 07, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 07, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
Kidderminster Shuttle website reports Whittle services 7, 580, 192, 830, 831, 834 and 835 are likely to be withdrawn next September after Worcestershire County Council plans to scrap a £3 million taxpayer's subsidy for public transport.
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/local/10787910.Twenty_Wyre_Forest_bus_services_face_the_chop/
sam 3 of thoses are school services the 580 is only a couple times, the 7 and 192 are the only full time services
I know
The 15 is also at risk
Quote from: StourportSam on November 08, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
The 15 is also at risk
the 15 should go back to running Kidderminster-bewdley via burlish and stourport and the 7 go back to be Kidderminster -sion hill via greenhill. the fairfield section should be added back on to diamonds 4/5 a more direct route tp faireld
Does anyone know when the sale of Finglands to First is likely to be completed please? So that their buses can be released back to EYMS to hopefully sort Whittle's bus shortage crisis. Whittle need about 1 or 2 more buses I think to cover their service, as demonstrated by buses not turning up or being replaced by coaches on the 3.
I see Bullocks or a similar name have bought the coach operation.
Quote from: bewminster on November 09, 2013, 12:41:55 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 08, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
The 15 is also at risk
the 15 should go back to running Kidderminster-bewdley via burlish and stourport and the 7 go back to be Kidderminster -sion hill via greenhill. the fairfield section should be added back on to diamonds 4/5 a more direct route tp faireld
It was the 11 that ran Kidderminster-Burlish/Lickhill-Bewdley
The 14 and 15 ran between Kidderminster/Stourport and Wilden.
I think I agree with your suggestions about the 4/5 and 7, but having not travelled on those routes am unable to comment RE: loadings.
sam
eyms services have update there website yesterday the 15/11/13 found this on there
•Bus 354 has been transferred to Whittles and renumbered 171.
•Bus 418 has returned from loan at Whittles
Quote from: bewminster on November 16, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
sam
eyms services have update there website yesterday the 15/11/13 found this on there
•Bus 354 has been transferred to Whittles and renumbered 171.
•Bus 418 has returned from loan at Whittles
That's good news!
Hmmm sounds interesting no mention of 309 though I reckon that's staying... although it's probably not
Quote from: Will on November 17, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
Hmmm sounds interesting no mention of 309 though I reckon that's staying... although it's probably not
as far as I know 309 is still classed as a loaned vehicle, do not think it will stop myself as it is a volo and whittles bus fleet is made up of darts/enviros . I am gusseing
Quote from: bewminster on November 17, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Will on November 17, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
Hmmm sounds interesting no mention of 309 though I reckon that's staying... although it's probably not
as far as I know 309 is still classed as a loaned vehicle, do not think it will stop myself as it is a volo and whittles bus fleet is made up of darts/enviros . I am gusseing
I think you could be right Bewminster, after all 418 stayed on loan for at least a year!
Quote from: StourportSam on November 16, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 16, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
sam
eyms services have update there website yesterday the 15/11/13 found this on there
•Bus 354 has been transferred to Whittles and renumbered 171.
•Bus 418 has returned from loan at Whittles
That's good news!
EYMS 355 also went through the paintshop at the time of 354, not sure if that could also follow to Whittle's?
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 16, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 16, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
sam
eyms services have update there website yesterday the 15/11/13 found this on there
•Bus 354 has been transferred to Whittles and renumbered 171.
•Bus 418 has returned from loan at Whittles
That's good news!
EYMS 355 also went through the paintshop at the time of 354, not sure if that could also follow to Whittle's?
you could be right there Winston as whittles 157 to 160 arrived 2 at once
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 16, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 16, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
sam
eyms services have update there website yesterday the 15/11/13 found this on there
•Bus 354 has been transferred to Whittles and renumbered 171.
•Bus 418 has returned from loan at Whittles
That's good news!
EYMS 355 also went through the paintshop at the time of 354, not sure if that could also follow to Whittle's?
I thought the same when I saw that, think *hope* you could be right!
Quote from: bewminster on November 17, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Will on November 17, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
Hmmm sounds interesting no mention of 309 though I reckon that's staying... although it's probably not
as far as I know 309 is still classed as a loaned vehicle, do not think it will stop myself as it is a volo and whittles bus fleet is made up of darts/enviros . I am gusseing
Went on 309 on the 3 today, so it is still here at the moment. Whittle obviously feel strongly about the withdrawal of subsidy as the bus was plastered with posters asking bus users to participate in the WCC consultation.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 19, 2013, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 17, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Will on November 17, 2013, 01:08:32 PM
Hmmm sounds interesting no mention of 309 though I reckon that's staying... although it's probably not
as far as I know 309 is still classed as a loaned vehicle, do not think it will stop myself as it is a volo and whittles bus fleet is made up of darts/enviros . I am gusseing
Went on 309 on the 3 today, so it is still here at the moment. Whittle obviously feel strongly about the withdrawal of subsidy as the bus was plastered with posters asking bus users to participate in the WCC consultation.
I thought they might do that because if you look at the list on the wcc websites there are a lot of there routes on that list
Coach 62 is out on nx work again, yesterday is was on 545/410
Quote from: dannygill on November 22, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
Coach 62 is out on nx work again, yesterday is was on 545/410
did you get the reg has they do not have a coach with fleet no 62
Quote from: bewminster on November 22, 2013, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: dannygill on November 22, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
Coach 62 is out on nx work again, yesterday is was on 545/410
did you get the reg has they do not have a coach with fleet no 62
I wonder if it is EYMS 62 A15EYC
Whittle also have EYMS 83 YY63OEO in loan for NX work (according to EYMS website)
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 22, 2013, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: dannygill on November 22, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
Coach 62 is out on nx work again, yesterday is was on 545/410
did you get the reg has they do not have a coach with fleet no 62
I wonder if it is EYMS 62 A15EYC
Whittle also have EYMS 83 YY63OEO in loan for NX work (according to EYMS website)
They also have a 83 of there own for nx work YX07 HJF 2007 Volvo B12B
Caeteno Levante - 49 Seats
Quote from: bewminster on November 23, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 22, 2013, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: dannygill on November 22, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
Coach 62 is out on nx work again, yesterday is was on 545/410
did you get the reg has they do not have a coach with fleet no 62
I wonder if it is EYMS 62 A15EYC
Whittle also have EYMS 83 YY63OEO in loan for NX work (according to EYMS website)
They also have a 83 of there own for nx work YX07 HJF 2007 Volvo B12B
Caeteno Levante - 49 Seats
I've re-read the section on EYMS website and it looks as though I've misread it, it was actually Whittle's 83 that went on loan for NX coaching and was repainted whilst up in Hull
159 YX56 HVH on the 192 today not seen an E200 on there in quite a while.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 25, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
159 YX56 HVH on the 192 today not seen an E200 on there in quite a while.
Yes, they were quite common at one point but it seems to be full length darts and MPDs recently.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 25, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 25, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
159 YX56 HVH on the 192 today not seen an E200 on there in quite a while.
Yes, they were quite common at one point but it seems to be full length darts and MPDs recently.
Probably just coincidence but I haven't seen the B10BLE on there in quite a few days as well
B10BLE?
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 25, 2013, 07:14:15 PM
B10BLE?
Is that W409 JAT?
Seems to be put on the 3 instead nowadays. It was on the 192 everyday at one point.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 25, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 25, 2013, 07:14:15 PM
B10BLE?
Is that W409 JAT?
Seems to be put on the 3 instead nowadays. It was on the 192 everyday at one point.
Yes, the one still in East Yorkshire livery. I used to see it on the 192 every day as well (I almost always see the 16:10 from Halesowen). My mate used to drive it in Yorkshire, he liked it, said it was a fast bus.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 25, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 25, 2013, 07:14:15 PM
B10BLE?
Is that W409 JAT?
Seems to be put on the 3 instead nowadays. It was on the 192 everyday at one point.
Yes, on extended loan from EYMS
No service appeared to be running on the 3 at times today - AGAIN
Driverless buses allocated to the 3 were noted parked at the bus station however...
Maybe whittles aren't the threat to diamond that some make out then...
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 26, 2013, 08:08:43 PM
Maybe whittles aren't the threat to diamond that some make out then...
Or it could just be that they've currently got a number of drivers off sick & no cover
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 26, 2013, 08:08:43 PM
Maybe whittles aren't the threat to diamond that some make out then...
think the road works on the Queensway in bewdley could be the problem , as I know through experncing a trip on the 2a
the buses are running real late and if drivers have to change to do a 3 they are too late to do it, they did have standby drivers
and vehicles . in the bus station at on time to slot in but now, they are short of both drivers and vehicles I think.
W409 JAT has been on the 16:10 from Halesowen today and yesterday
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
I don't think the bus operation is big enough for any of the big boys to be interested, unless any of them particularly wanted to complete against Rotala/Diamond
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
I don't think anything is happening in East Yorkshire, I suspect EYMS have just decided to pull out of Manchester as Finglands was loss making, First Group on paid £50k for the business (which obviously excluded vehicles etc)
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
I don't think anything is happening in East Yorkshire, I suspect EYMS have just decided to pull out of Manchester as Finglands was loss making, First Group on paid £50k for the business (which obviously excluded vehicles etc)
Winston
I do not think there is either,
wonder if this might improve things next year only 7/192/580 routes not affected not counting schools
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Quote from: bewminster on November 29, 2013, 11:50:08 AM
wonder if this might improve things next year only 7/192/580 routes not affected not counting schools
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Very interesting that routes are being amended as well-wonder if diamond have similar route changes planned...
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wonder if this might improve things next year only 7/192/580 routes not affected not counting schools
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Very interesting that routes are being amended as well-wonder if diamond have similar route changes planned...
Don't see how Diamond can do if they're only sitting down today to discuss the results of the network review
Quote from: Winston on November 29, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 29, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
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Very interesting that routes are being amended as well-wonder if diamond have similar route changes planned...
Don't see how Diamond can do if they're only sitting down today to discuss the results of the network review
theres only the 2a/2c/3 that they both run on
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
I don't think anything is happening in East Yorkshire, I suspect EYMS have just decided to pull out of Manchester as Finglands was loss making, First Group on paid £50k for the business (which obviously excluded vehicles etc)
Winston
I do not think there is either,
The other thing if management have lost interest, could be that they are not getting the resources the want from EYMS and the sale of Finglands sale has cast doubt over Whittle's future under EYMS?
Quote from: Winston on November 29, 2013, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
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Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
I don't think anything is happening in East Yorkshire, I suspect EYMS have just decided to pull out of Manchester as Finglands was loss making, First Group on paid £50k for the business (which obviously excluded vehicles etc)
Winston
I do not think there is either,
The other thing if management have lost interest, could be that they are not getting the resources the want from EYMS and the sale of Finglands sale has cast doubt over Whittle's future under EYMS?
Apparently the son of whoever owns EYMS has been put in charge of Whittle.
That means one of two things into me, either he has been installed to run it into the ground for a quick cheap sale or he has been put in to turn it around and improve the business. I'm inclined to say it is the first
Route and timetable changes look concerning. I would guess they are reductions in service.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 30, 2013, 01:02:43 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 29, 2013, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:19:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 10:07:58 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: bewminster on November 28, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 28, 2013, 09:07:57 PM
Spoke to a Whittle driver today.
It is not sickness, it is not the 2A.
The company are short of both buses and drivers, and when there are too few to run an entire service the 3 is taken off and just not run, as has been the case for most of this week.
Very poor if you ask me.
Apparently the management just don't care.
interesting ?
I wonder if Whittle's could be the next EYMS disposal?
Winston whittles have just brought out there 2014 holiday tours book and this year there are a few where you change to a eyms coach , so seams unlikely from that . but who knows what 2014 will bring to the bus side
Unless they sell off the bus side to say NX, Arriva or Stagecoach and then run the coach side of Whittles as EYMS?
we only know about the midlands , we do not know whats happing in Yorkshire, except they have sold there Manchester operations , which is the only thing that is know in the public domain .
I don't think anything is happening in East Yorkshire, I suspect EYMS have just decided to pull out of Manchester as Finglands was loss making, First Group on paid £50k for the business (which obviously excluded vehicles etc)
Winston
I do not think there is either,
The other thing if management have lost interest, could be that they are not getting the resources the want from EYMS and the sale of Finglands sale has cast doubt over Whittle's future under EYMS?
Apparently the son of whoever owns EYMS has been put in charge of Whittle.
That means one of two things into me, either he has been installed to run it into the ground for a quick cheap sale or he has been put in to turn it around and improve the business. I'm inclined to say it is the first
Route and timetable changes look concerning. I would guess they are reductions in service.
But why would you run the business in to the ground if you were intending to sell it? Surely if they were looking to sell it, the better shape the business is in, the higher the asking/sale price!
Whittle's fleet could benefit from more newer cascades once the the sale of Finglands goes through, which was suggested to be early Decemeber, can't see why it wouldn't go through on competition concerns
I would have to agree with Sam here-reducing service levels to cut losses and let's face it, the whittle's fleet hasn't seen much investment recently. And much of finglands fleet is deckers and e300s which I doubt eyms would want to put into kidderminster
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
I would have to agree with Sam here-reducing service levels to cut losses and let's face it, the whittle's fleet hasn't seen much investment recently. And much of finglands fleet is deckers and e300s which I doubt eyms would want to put into kidderminster
E300's are non-standard at EYMS, so why not cascade them to Whittle's? They would fit in with E200's already there. The Finglands deckers moving back to EYMS could result in single deck cascades to Whittle's rather than the actual deckers moving
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
I would have to agree with Sam here-reducing service levels to cut losses and let's face it, the whittle's fleet hasn't seen much investment recently. And much of finglands fleet is deckers and e300s which I doubt eyms would want to put into kidderminster
E300's are non-standard at EYMS, so why not cascade them to Whittle's? They would fit in with E200's already there. The Finglands deckers moving back to EYMS could result in single deck cascades to Whittle's rather than the actual deckers moving
Do any of whittles routes need such expensive, large buses on them though? I agree they would fit in with the existing fleet. And I would think the deckers would replace the step entry olympians they still have in service first, as opposed to cascading single deckers
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
I would have to agree with Sam here-reducing service levels to cut losses and let's face it, the whittle's fleet hasn't seen much investment recently. And much of finglands fleet is deckers and e300s which I doubt eyms would want to put into kidderminster
E300's are non-standard at EYMS, so why not cascade them to Whittle's? They would fit in with E200's already there. The Finglands deckers moving back to EYMS could result in single deck cascades to Whittle's rather than the actual deckers moving
Do any of whittles routes need such expensive, large buses on them though? I agree they would fit in with the existing fleet. And I would think the deckers would replace the step entry olympians they still have in service first, as opposed to cascading single deckers
They're 56 plate & 7 years old+, so can't imagine that they'd be that much more expensive than a similar aged E200. EYMS have already stated that they're not intending to buy any new Euro 6 next year, instead they're buying ex London to replace step entry deckers. The first is ex Transdev London SK52--- B7TL/ALX400
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2013, 02:01:26 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:53:35 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2013, 01:50:53 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 30, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
I would have to agree with Sam here-reducing service levels to cut losses and let's face it, the whittle's fleet hasn't seen much investment recently. And much of finglands fleet is deckers and e300s which I doubt eyms would want to put into kidderminster
E300's are non-standard at EYMS, so why not cascade them to Whittle's? They would fit in with E200's already there. The Finglands deckers moving back to EYMS could result in single deck cascades to Whittle's rather than the actual deckers moving
Do any of whittles routes need such expensive, large buses on them though? I agree they would fit in with the existing fleet. And I would think the deckers would replace the step entry olympians they still have in service first, as opposed to cascading single deckers
They're 56 plate & 7 years old+, so can't imagine that they'd be that much more expensive than a similar aged E200. EYMS have already stated that they're not intending to buy any new Euro 6 next year, instead they're buying ex London to replace step entry deckers. The first is ex Transdev London SK52--- B7TL/ALX400
Can't really say I blame them-there's some good secondhand stuff out there if you're not picky.
EYMS 354 is now with whittles as there 171
Quote from: bewminster on December 04, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
EYMS 354 is now with whittles as there 171
Have you seen it?
Quote from: StourportSam on December 04, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: bewminster on December 04, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
EYMS 354 is now with whittles as there 171
Have you seen it?
Sam
saw it yester day and today it's on the 3 when I saw it today
Is it in Whittle colours bewminster?
Quote from: Will on December 04, 2013, 05:40:10 PM
Is it in Whittle colours bewminster?
yes it is in whittles colours
Had a ride on YX57 BXB today. Nice bus, pretty much the same as the e200s with Whittle already.
EYMS website now confirms that YX57 BXC has been transferred down here.
Hopefully these two additions will help alleviate the problems experienced recently by Whittle.
Quote from: StourportSam on December 07, 2013, 12:31:05 AM
EYMS website now confirms that YX57 BXC has been transferred down here.
Hopefully these two additions will help alleviate the problems experienced recently by Whittle.
It looks as though they are due another transfer, this time an ex Finglands coach 379 FC07MCF Volvo 9700
Yes I noticed that too, strange as I thought the Finland's coach business had been sold.
Perhaps that too did not include the vehicles, or at least all of them.
Quote from: StourportSam on December 07, 2013, 01:01:10 AM
Yes I noticed that too, strange as I thought the Finland's coach business had been sold.
Perhaps that too did not include the vehicles, or at least all of them.
It has to Bullock's, but not all vehicles were involved
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2013, 01:22:45 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 07, 2013, 01:01:10 AM
Yes I noticed that too, strange as I thought the Fingland's coach business had been sold.
Perhaps that too did not include the vehicles, or at least all of them.
It has to Bullock's, but not all vehicles were involved
Thanks for the info Winston
Quote from: bewminster on November 29, 2013, 12:35:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 29, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 29, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: bewminster on November 29, 2013, 11:50:08 AM
wonder if this might improve things next year only 7/192/580 routes not affected not counting schools
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Very interesting that routes are being amended as well-wonder if diamond have similar route changes planned...
Don't see how Diamond can do if they're only sitting down today to discuss the results of the network review
theres only the 2a/2c/3 that they both run on
It could be argued that they also run along part of the 15 route with the 295.
Does anyone know if the new timetables for the Whittle services that are changing in less than a month are available anywhere yet?
No sign on their website or the WCC one.
Quote from: StourportSam on December 09, 2013, 03:30:15 PM
Does anyone know if the new timetables for the Whittle services that are changing in less than a month are available anywhere yet?
No sign on their website or the WCC one.
sam
there on the WWC website now
Quote from: bewminster on December 10, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 09, 2013, 03:30:15 PM
Does anyone know if the new timetables for the Whittle services that are changing in less than a month are available anywhere yet?
No sign on their website or the WCC one.
sam
there on the WWC website now
What changes are being made then out of interest?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 10, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: bewminster on December 10, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 09, 2013, 03:30:15 PM
Does anyone know if the new timetables for the Whittle services that are changing in less than a month are available anywhere yet?
No sign on their website or the WCC one.
sam
there on the WWC website now
What changes are being made then out of interest?
Sam just look quick one thing I did spot is the 1 is no longer serving stourport road on the inward journey it is going back to run via swan centre as on the outward journey, which means it is
going back to how it was before the last change
Quote from: bewminster on December 10, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 10, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
What changes are being made then out of interest?
Sam just look quick one thing I did spot is the 1 is no longer serving stourport road on the inward journey it is going back to run via swan centre as on the outward journey, which means it is
going back to how it was before the last change
It wasn't me that asked that Bewminster, it was Diamond Dart.
As far as I can see there are no major changes, apart from withdrawal of the early 7am service on the 3.
Most of it seems to address long standing timing issues. Fair play to Whittle for improving these.
YX57 BXC on the 192 yesterday.
What with two new (to Whittle) buses, new ticket machines, planned improvemnets from 06/01/14 and new signage on board buses all appearing in the last few weeks, things are looking up!
161 R409 FFC has been transferred up to EYMS.
Quote from: StourportSam on December 13, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
161 R409 FFC has been transferred up to EYMS.
Surprised EYMS are taking on such an old Dart SLF
Quote from: Winston on December 13, 2013, 11:59:29 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 13, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
161 R409 FFC has been transferred up to EYMS.
Surprised EYMS are taking on such an old Dart SLF
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not sure in this case but sometimes they do get sent up there for heavy maintiance, and when they are for sale . I know of one that went up there and now it is being used by a operator in Birmingham think it was dart with reg w 477 uag
Quote from: StourportSam on December 13, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
161 R409 FFC has been transferred up to EYMS.
Glad it has though but surprising as you say, maybe it is for use as a trainer?
Could somebody please remove (161, R409 FFC) off the fleetlist on here and replace it with (172, YX57 BXC), saw it parked up at Tesco bus station in Kiddy on Monday
Quote from: Will on December 18, 2013, 06:34:10 PM
Could somebody please remove (161, R409 FFC) off the fleetlist on here and replace it with (172, YX57 BXC), saw it parked up at Tesco bus station in Kiddy on Monday
In actual fact, 418 and 161 have gone up to EYMS. 171 and 172 have come down here. 309 is still down here.
Quote from: StourportSam on December 13, 2013, 11:49:59 PM
161 R409 FFC has been transferred up to EYMS.
Just found this pic of it
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eybusman/11293512564/
Does look comical :)
Haha that is awesome all though why on earth have they only sprayed the front part?
Quote from: Will on December 20, 2013, 11:28:40 PM
Haha that is awesome all though why on earth have they only sprayed the front part?
wonder why that is not done when vehicles come down from EYMS to whittles, wonder if back is sprayed as well.
supprised they did not have 309 back instead
If you read the article on EYMS in this weeks CBW you will see they state Whittles is loss making, although they intend perservering with it, so don't expect any major investments in the near future
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
If you read the article on EYMS in this weeks CBW you will see they state Whittles is loss making, although they intend perservering with it, so don't expect any major investments in the near future
can not read article as it will not let me as I do not subcribe
Quote from: bewminster on December 21, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
If you read the article on EYMS in this weeks CBW you will see they state Whittles is loss making, although they intend perservering with it, so don't expect any major investments in the near future
can not read article as it will not let me as I do not subcribe
You can buy it in whsmith's if you arent a subscriber. I am not surprised it is a loss maker but I am surprised they intend to persevere with it. Though tbf didnt go ahead say it would persevere with diamond weeks before rotala bought it?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: bewminster on December 21, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
If you read the article on EYMS in this weeks CBW you will see they state Whittles is loss making, although they intend perservering with it, so don't expect any major investments in the near future
can not read article as it will not let me as I do not subcribe
You can buy it in whsmith's if you arent a subscriber. I am not surprised it is a loss maker but I am surprised they intend to persevere with it. Though tbf didnt go ahead say it would persevere with diamond weeks before rotala bought it?
It largely depends on the size of the loss, it may be that it could be turned profitable following some major investment?
Can see diamond and arriva taking over some of whittles stuff if they go, wonder what would happen with the nx coach work??
Quote from: dannygill on December 21, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Can see diamond and arriva taking over some of whittles stuff if they go, wonder what would happen with the nx coach work??
DeCourcey again I would have thought, then the former Veolia Birmingham operations would be back to one operator again.
If EYMS are unhappy with the financial performance of Whittle's, I'd have thought a sale would be more likely
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
What's the significance of April/May 2014?
Well it isn't significant it's just obviously that will be half way through the year so maybe thats when they will decide to sell up.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
I think NXWM will buy them (just because its a logical move to me)
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2013, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
I think NXWM will buy them (just because its a logical move to me)
I'm not so sure on that, if NXWM were seriously interested in expanding in those areas, they would have been far better buying RH & KR operations from First Group
Quote from: Winston on December 21, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: dannygill on December 21, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Can see diamond and arriva taking over some of whittles stuff if they go, wonder what would happen with the nx coach work??
DeCourcey again I would have thought, then the former Veolia Birmingham operations would be back to one operator again.
If EYMS are unhappy with the financial performance of Whittle's, I'd have thought a sale would be more likely
The 19:00 410 service off London to Walsall has not ran several times over the past few weeks
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 21, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 21, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: dannygill on December 21, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Can see diamond and arriva taking over some of whittles stuff if they go, wonder what would happen with the nx coach work??
DeCourcey again I would have thought, then the former Veolia Birmingham operations would be back to one operator again.
If EYMS are unhappy with the financial performance of Whittle's, I'd have thought a sale would be more likely
The 19:00 410 service off London to Walsall has not ran several times over the past few weeks
Can't see NX being happy with that, aren't Whittle's short of NX drivers as well?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2013, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
I think NXWM will buy them (just because its a logical move to me)
I doubt it. I think NX are settled now, they don't really want any more risk as such.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 21, 2013, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2013, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
I think NXWM will buy them (just because its a logical move to me)
I doubt it. I think NX are settled now, they don't really want any more risk as such.
NX have said they would make bolt-on acquisitions which RH & KR or Whittle's would be for NXWM. At the £1.5 Million agreed takeover price for RH & KR, it would have been exposing much risk for NX
Quote from: dannygill on December 21, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Can see diamond and arriva taking over some of whittles stuff if they go, wonder what would happen with the nx coach work??
If that does happen can see maybe arriva being interested in the shropshire operation, and as for the Kidderminster area the 1,7,580 are the only three routes that diamond do not operate on the 2a/2c, diamond operate on 95% of the route and the 15 about 50% of the route , and the 3 100% of the route the 192 90% of the sectionof theroute between Kidderminster and stourport
so it would be easy for them to take over the Kidderminster bus work they only have start on the 1 &7 and re jig the other services to fit in with there own
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Will on December 21, 2013, 07:49:12 PM
I'm completely in favour of takeover (if EYMS sell Whittle's) of course but on a serious note mark my words by April/May 2014 - EYMS will no longer own Whittle's just wait and see and I bet I'm right
It does seem likely if the turnaround plan is unsuccessful which I would have thought it would be if they are unprepared to throw resources at it. Shame as I like whittles which is a longstanding traditional company with a lot tobe proud about. Maybe the coach side is more profitable though?
heard something a long time ago that mr whittle still owns the yard and it is just leased and eyms where looking around for some where else. and he was interested in getting back the coaching
side and trying to get the use of the whittle name back by getting eyms to change the name.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 21, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: bewminster on December 21, 2013, 10:11:00 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
If you read the article on EYMS in this weeks CBW you will see they state Whittles is loss making, although they intend perservering with it, so don't expect any major investments in the near future
can not read article as it will not let me as I do not subcribe
You can buy it in whsmith's if you arent a subscriber. I am not surprised it is a loss maker but I am surprised they intend to persevere with it. Though tbf didnt go ahead say it would persevere with diamond weeks before rotala bought it?
the kiddermins wh smiths had not got cbw wonder where else I could get it ? there are no other big newagents in the area
Rather frustratingly, the Whittle website has not been updated with the service changes in force from today.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 06, 2014, 04:34:08 PM
Rather frustratingly, the Whittle website has not been updated with the service changes in force from today.
still not changed
YX04 JVW broke down today........
The 545 that they operate to London had problems again
Quote from: Ex BC driver on January 10, 2014, 07:20:24 PM
The 545 that they operate to London had problems again
Are there normally problems with Whittle's National Express services?
Any sightings of W409 JAT lately? Has it gone to be painted into Whittles livery?
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
Any sightings of W409 JAT lately? Has it gone to be painted into Whittles livery?
saw it yesterday still in EYMS livery
Quote from: bewminster on January 11, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
Any sightings of W409 JAT lately? Has it gone to be painted into Whittles livery?
saw it yesterday still in EYMS livery
Ohh, which service was it on? I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages - it seems to spend spells of time on particular routes, rather than hopping between them each day.
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2014, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: bewminster on January 11, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
Any sightings of W409 JAT lately? Has it gone to be painted into Whittles livery?
saw it yesterday still in EYMS livery
Ohh, which service was it on? I haven't seen it on the 192 in ages - it seems to spend spells of time on particular routes, rather than hopping between them each day.
it was either 192 or 125 can not just remember as I saw it a couple of times
Would Whittle accept nBus on the 192 between Halesowen and Hayley Green?
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Would Whittle accept nBus on the 192 between Halesowen and Hayley Green?
unsure has not seen a whittles bus with the nbus sticker on like first used to display
Quote from: bewminster on January 12, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Would Whittle accept nBus on the 192 between Halesowen and Hayley Green?
unsure has not seen a whittles bus with the nbus sticker on like first used to display
Yes they do inside the NWM area as I use their 125 occasionally if the 276 isn't due from work or to work...
I saw YX04 JVW today in Kidderminster but I noticed something peculiar about it that is the green grill panel on the front was just green it hasn't even got the "Whittles" sticker on it I know it might sound odd but maybe it's in the process of being completely de-stickered to be withdrawn maybe I don't know does anybody know anything or the reasons?
Quote from: Will on January 14, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
I saw YX04 JVW today in Kidderminster but I noticed something peculiar about it that is the green grill panel on the front was just green it hasn't even got the "Whittles" sticker on it I know it might sound odd but maybe it's in the process of being completely de-stickered to be withdrawn maybe I don't know does anybody know anything or the reasons?
Its been like this for a bit now. This is usually just when a new body part has been used and has not had the vinyl applied. This is quite common and might not mean anything.
Quote from: bewminster on January 12, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Would Whittle accept nBus on the 192 between Halesowen and Hayley Green?
unsure has not seen a whittles bus with the nbus sticker on like first used to display
They should accept it up to the boundary as there buses do displays then sticker in the window, but on more than one occasion I have been refused travel to Hayley Green and have had to wait for the Diamond Bus to come.
Quote from: sonic84 on January 15, 2014, 07:00:30 AM
Quote from: bewminster on January 12, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Would Whittle accept nBus on the 192 between Halesowen and Hayley Green?
unsure has not seen a whittles bus with the nbus sticker on like first used to display
They should accept it up to the boundary as there buses do displays then sticker in the window, but on more than one occasion I have been refused travel to Hayley Green and have had to wait for the Diamond Bus to come.
Perhaps they'd accept if one boarded in Hayley Green to go into Halesowen
309 / W409 JAT at home on the 192 yesterday.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 06, 2014, 04:34:08 PM
Rather frustratingly, the Whittle website has not been updated with the service changes in force from today.
they have finally put new time tables on website
What's the score with W409 JAT does anybody know anything? I'm guessing that it's staying here in Kidderminster now that R409 FFC has gone to EYMS I reckon that a part-ex has taken place between both buses basically they've had that and we've had that (nice swap have to admit it) because as we know FFC is 16 this year and JAT will be 14 this year if it is staying what will happen will it be re-sprayed and re-stickered or will they just peel off the EYMS stickers off and replace with Whittle branding (how odd would that look!)..
Quote from: Will on January 18, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
What's the score with W409 JAT does anybody know anything? I'm guessing that it's staying here in Kidderminster now that R409 FFC has gone to EYMS I reckon that a part-ex has taken place between both buses basically they've had that and we've had that (nice swap have to admit it) because as we know FFC is 16 this year and JAT will be 14 this year if it is staying what will happen will it be re-sprayed and re-stickered or will they just peel off the EYMS stickers off and replace with Whittle branding (how odd would that look!)..
it came down as a loan and still think that's all it will be
Nope I reckon it's staying put..
Quote from: Will on January 19, 2014, 12:15:40 PM
Nope I reckon it's staying put..
still official listed as a long term loan like 418 was here for well over a year with east Yorkshire markings on think some ex finglands vehicles my come down. depending on what happens
from the WCC subsideds bus services review as consultaion has now finished , and there are a far few of whittles services on the list. we will have to wait till septmember to see what happens has
that is when any changes come in to force.
I would say W409 JAT is deintitely a loan only. Most Whittle buses have received stickers by the cab inside detailing fares, CCTV, etc. 309 has also received these, but with the East Yorkshire logo on as opposed to Whittle. This suggests to me that it will leave eventually.
Its hardly a part exchange - they're the same company!
The fact that only the front of R409 FFC has been repainted into EYMS colours suggests one of two things. Either it will soon be withdrawn or will be transferred back to Whittle at some point.
Both 171 YX57 BXB and 172 YX57 BXC are now in regular service with Whittle. W409 JAT is still here and mainly used as spare at Kidderminster and on the 192 or 3.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 24, 2014, 12:19:53 AM
Both 171 YX57 BXB and 172 YX57 BXC are now in regular service with Whittle. W409 JAT is still here and mainly used as spare at Kidderminster and on the 192 or 3.
172 was on the 192 today
Quote from: OH25 on January 24, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 24, 2014, 12:19:53 AM
Both 171 YX57 BXB and 172 YX57 BXC are now in regular service with Whittle. W409 JAT is still here and mainly used as spare at Kidderminster and on the 192 or 3.
172 was on the 192 today
I must say, that livery looks superb on an Enviro!
What I'm about to say is slightly off topic but go with me on it I was thinking the other day and I can't help but imagine that by August (as a rough guess) EYMS will no longer own Whittle Coach & Bus Ltd. What makes me think & say this I hear you say well think about it people on here last November were saying that they are struggling to compete with Diamond (although that was to be expected) and also they are running services everyday that people aren't using (i.e. Not many people on a bus at any one time) for example the (101, Bridgnorth Town Circular; aka Sydney Cottage Drive and the Grove Estate), the 580 being another, 7 (et al) my grandmother who lives in Bridgnorth uses the 101 on occasions and she herself has said that on some occasions she could be the only person on it it baffles me how EYMS have kept Whittle's going for this long and also as was noted on here last year it [Whittle's] can't make a great deal of money for EYMS as if it had I am absolutely sure Whittle's would of invested in probably half-a-dozen or so brand spanking new Single deckers (similar to the one's Diamond purchased for use in Redditch in Sep/Oct last year) where as Diamond will sell off old-ish fleet Whittle won't sell any at all now to me it doesn't make sense because the 56-plated Enviros if they sold 2 of those they could probably make around £130/40,000 (if sold for between £65-70k each) they coud probably buy 2 Wright Streetlites (around 3/4 years old) for the amount of each of the Enviro's sold but anyway it may not happen but who knows...
Bear in mind though that the the 7, 101 and 580 and numerous other services are all tendered. Therefore it doesn't really matter how much Whittles are taking in fares as they are getting paid by the relevant local authority to run the service. As long as they put in the right price, they can still make a profit.
Quote from: Will on January 25, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
What I'm about to say is slightly off topic but go with me on it I was thinking the other day and I can't help but imagine that by August (as a rough guess) EYMS will no longer own Whittle Coach & Bus Ltd. What makes me think & say this I hear you say well think about it people on here last November were saying that they are struggling to compete with Diamond (although that was to be expected) and also they are running services everyday that people aren't using (i.e. Not many people on a bus at any one time) for example the (101, Bridgnorth Town Circular; aka Sydney Cottage Drive and the Grove Estate), the 580 being another, 7 (et al) my grandmother who lives in Bridgnorth uses the 101 on occasions and she herself has said that on some occasions she could be the only person on it it baffles me how EYMS have kept Whittle's going for this long and also as was noted on here last year it [Whittle's] can't make a great deal of money for EYMS as if it had I am absolutely sure Whittle's would of invested in probably half-a-dozen or so brand spanking new Single deckers (similar to the one's Diamond purchased for use in Redditch in Sep/Oct last year) where as Diamond will sell off old-ish fleet Whittle won't sell any at all now to me it doesn't make sense because the 56-plated Enviros if they sold 2 of those they could probably make around £130/40,000 (if sold for between £65-70k each) they coud probably buy 2 Wright Streetlites (around 3/4 years old) for the amount of each of the Enviro's sold but anyway it may not happen but who knows...
Whittle's are currently making operating losses and the losses have increased from 31/12/2011 to 31/12/2012 which are the most recent figures, both the bus & coach businesses underperformed due to management issues (whatever they maybe) & increased costs. But I don't think those figures reflected a full years contribution from the NX contracts only part, The size of the losses aren't significant enough that they couldn't be turned around with cost cutting & better use of resources etc
EYMS is profitable, but even they only make profit margins of under 3%
For me it was always a bit of a surprise when EYMS bought Whittles in the first place, but whether EYMS retrench back to East Yorkshire remains to be seen. EYMS Group themselves could always sell out in the future to a larger group?
11 RUI 2116 14 T638 XNP both are Whittles coaches . have been seen in EYMS hull depot . do not think they would have been on
tour work as one is from 1999 and one from 2000. think the may be up there for sale as a least one ex finglands coaches have come down here
What about it?
Quote from: D10 on January 25, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Bear in mind though that the the 7, 101 and 580 and numerous other services are all tendered. Therefore it doesn't really matter how much Whittles are taking in fares as they are getting paid by the relevant local authority to run the service. As long as they put in the right price, they can still make a profit.
the 7 always has had good loads on when I have seen it
Oh never well in that case I guess we can assume that they have been withdrawn from Whittle's & "retired" sadtimes
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
11 RUI 2116 14 T638 XNP both are Whittles coaches . have been seen in EYMS hull depot . do not think they would have been on
tour work as one is from 1999 and one from 2000. think the may be up there for sale as a least one ex finglands coaches have come down here
I always thought they looked really old compared to the rest of the coach fleet. Glad to see they have been replaced with more newer vehicles from Finglands.
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: D10 on January 25, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Bear in mind though that the the 7, 101 and 580 and numerous other services are all tendered. Therefore it doesn't really matter how much Whittles are taking in fares as they are getting paid by the relevant local authority to run the service. As long as they put in the right price, they can still make a profit.
the 7 always has had good loads on when I have seen it
The 7 usually looks underused when I see it, but that's mainly at off peak times.
Yes Sam that's because they were both in "original" Whittle colours which I preferred tbf from they're era that livery was used on all vehicles from mid the 1970s-2004 (to my knowledge at least)
Quote from: Will on January 25, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
What I'm about to say is slightly off topic but go with me on it I was thinking the other day and I can't help but imagine that by August (as a rough guess) EYMS will no longer own Whittle Coach & Bus Ltd. What makes me think & say this I hear you say well think about it people on here last November were saying that they are struggling to compete with Diamond (although that was to be expected) and also they are running services everyday that people aren't using (i.e. Not many people on a bus at any one time) for example the (101, Bridgnorth Town Circular; aka Sydney Cottage Drive and the Grove Estate), the 580 being another, 7 (et al) my grandmother who lives in Bridgnorth uses the 101 on occasions and she herself has said that on some occasions she could be the only person on it it baffles me how EYMS have kept Whittle's going for this long and also as was noted on here last year it [Whittle's] can't make a great deal of money for EYMS as if it had I am absolutely sure Whittle's would of invested in probably half-a-dozen or so brand spanking new Single deckers (similar to the one's Diamond purchased for use in Redditch in Sep/Oct last year) where as Diamond will sell off old-ish fleet Whittle won't sell any at all now to me it doesn't make sense because the 56-plated Enviros if they sold 2 of those they could probably make around £130/40,000 (if sold for between £65-70k each) they coud probably buy 2 Wright Streetlites (around 3/4 years old) for the amount of each of the Enviro's sold but anyway it may not happen but who knows...
Whittle make a loss but EYMS have said they want to persevere with it.
The 3 usually gets an average of 15 passengers on its journey Areley Kings to Kidderminster. Now the timetable has been tweaked passenger levels appear to have improved.
The 101 has always appeared very well used by all ages when I've seen it. But that's a contract route anyway.
Don't expect any fleet investment with a loss making business! Swapping a 56 plate for a 59 plate hardly seems very advantageous. The fleet of MPDs are all 14 years old this year and still going strong with apparent investment in new seat covers and LED destination displays in 2013. So I think the way forward for Whittle this year at least is to maintain the fleet and ensure it is presentable (the interiors of 162 and 163 are by far the most tired) and provide a reliable service as the company has in the past removing customer fears about buses not turning up as a happened an awful lot in 2013.
Quote from: Will on January 27, 2014, 12:19:56 AM
Yes Sam that's because they were both in "original" Whittle colours which I preferred tbf from they're era that livery was used on all vehicles from mid the 1970s-2004 (to my knowledge at least)
That's a good point. I've seen photos of X147 JWP, V930 EWP and an S reg dart in what is now the coach livery and they look quite good. I think I prefer it to the current livery.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 27, 2014, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: D10 on January 25, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Bear in mind though that the the 7, 101 and 580 and numerous other services are all tendered. Therefore it doesn't really matter how much Whittles are taking in fares as they are getting paid by the relevant local authority to run the service. As long as they put in the right price, they can still make a profit.
the 7 always has had good loads on when I have seen it
The 7 usually looks underused when I see it, but that's mainly at off peak times.
the times I have seen the 7 with good loads on have been off peak
Quote from: bowler on January 27, 2014, 12:31:29 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 27, 2014, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: D10 on January 25, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Bear in mind though that the the 7, 101 and 580 and numerous other services are all tendered. Therefore it doesn't really matter how much Whittles are taking in fares as they are getting paid by the relevant local authority to run the service. As long as they put in the right price, they can still make a profit.
the 7 always has had good loads on when I have seen it
The 7 usually looks underused when I see it, but that's mainly at off peak times.
the times I have seen the 7 with good loads on have been off peak
Just goes to show that bus loading can vary a lot with no set pattern!
I'm happy to hear it is used well, but fear that may not be enough to save it, at least in its post 2011 guise...
Quote from: Will on January 27, 2014, 12:19:56 AM
Yes Sam that's because they were both in "original" Whittle colours which I preferred tbf from they're era that livery was used on all vehicles from mid the 1970s-2004 (to my knowledge at least)
I prefer the real original colours of red and blue from years gone bye (at least the 50s)when the only had a depot in highly and mill street in Kidderminster
I know [Sam] me too I mean who ever decided that green & white would be a good colour scheme needs they're head testing
Quote from: bowler on January 27, 2014, 12:36:44 AM
Quote from: Will on January 27, 2014, 12:19:56 AM
Yes Sam that's because they were both in "original" Whittle colours which I preferred tbf from they're era that livery was used on all vehicles from mid the 1970s-2004 (to my knowledge at least)
I prefer the real original colours of red and blue from years gone bye (at least the 50s)when the only had a depot in highly and mill street in Kidderminster
That is quite eye catching on the bus preserved in that livery.
Quote from: Will on January 27, 2014, 12:39:17 AM
I know [Sam] me too I mean who ever decided that green & white would be a good colour scheme needs they're head testing
varation of EYMS livery
Tossers! in my opinion there was nothing wrong with the old livery it's like the old saying goes "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Quote from: Will on January 27, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
Tossers! in my opinion there was nothing wrong with the old livery it's like the old saying goes "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Exactly
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 01, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/1799936_674937602559032_1961618203_o.jpg?dl=1
Quote from: StourportSam on February 01, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
can not find anything where it says which vehicle its on or where it has come from. you heard any more sam
Quote from: bowler on February 01, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on February 01, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
can not find anything where it says which vehicle its on or where it has come from. you heard any more sam
I guessed this was the case as 379 FC07 MCF has just been in the paint shop before transfer to Whittle.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 02, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on February 01, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on February 01, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
can not find anything where it says which vehicle its on or where it has come from. you heard any more sam
I guessed this was the case as 379 FC07 MCF has just been in the paint shop before transfer to Whittle.
that's what i thought as well but did not put it down in case it was not that one. the gold name reminds me of when whittles had a Kidderminster to London service run under the name gold------- can not remember full name
Quote from: bowler on February 02, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on February 02, 2014, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on February 01, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on February 01, 2014, 12:19:45 AM
Interesting photo on the Whittle Facebook page - appears the ex Finglands coach has been repainted into a new Whittle Gold livery.
can not find anything where it says which vehicle its on or where it has come from. you heard any more sam
I guessed this was the case as 379 FC07 MCF has just been in the paint shop before transfer to Whittle.
that's what i thought as well but did not put it down in case it was not that one. the gold name reminds me of when whittles had a Kidderminster to London service run under the name gold------- can not remember full name
Another photo on Facebook, it is FC07 MCF. Looks good.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 27, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
11 RUI 2116 14 T638 XNP both are Whittles coaches . have been seen in EYMS hull depot . do not think they would have been on
tour work as one is from 1999 and one from 2000. think the may be up there for sale as a least one ex finglands coaches have come down here
I always thought they looked really old compared to the rest of the coach fleet. Glad to see they have been replaced with more newer vehicles from Finglands.
according to EYMS enthusiast section of there site 11 and 14 are now sold
and ex finglands 379 is to become whittles no24 with whittles and
whittles161 which went to EYMS as it 161 is now delicened so that is may be why it only had front end repainted
Quote from: bowler on February 06, 2014, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 27, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: bowler on January 26, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
11 RUI 2116 14 T638 XNP both are Whittles coaches . have been seen in EYMS hull depot . do not think they would have been on
tour work as one is from 1999 and one from 2000. think the may be up there for sale as a least one ex finglands coaches have come down here
I always thought they looked really old compared to the rest of the coach fleet. Glad to see they have been replaced with more newer vehicles from Finglands.
according to EYMS enthusiast section of there site 11 and 14 are now sold
and ex finglands 379 is to become whittles no24 with whittles and
whittles161 which went to EYMS as it 161 is now delicened so that is may be why it only had front end repainted
That's a shame about 161. It was a nice bus and hadn't been with the company long. I suppose with the incoming vehicles from Finglands it was surplus to requirements.
379 FC07 has arrived and was running around Stourport today, seemingly on driver familiarisation.
It's big!
Quote from: StourportSam on January 15, 2014, 12:34:33 AM
Quote from: Will on January 14, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
I saw YX04 JVW today in Kidderminster but I noticed something peculiar about it that is the green grill panel on the front was just green it hasn't even got the "Whittles" sticker on it I know it might sound odd but maybe it's in the process of being completely de-stickered to be withdrawn maybe I don't know does anybody know anything or the reasons?
Its been like this for a bit now. This is usually just when a new body part has been used and has not had the vinyl applied. This is quite common and might not mean anything.
170 YX04 JVW has now regained a yellow 'Whittle' logo on the front panel.
161 has been reinstated at Hull
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
they now have 171 , 172 which are ex eyms 354,355 enviros which are in whittles colours .
a link worth looking at http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/EYMS-close-Driffield-depot-seeks-protect-bus/story-20725549-detail/story.html
no it is not whittles news but ,could the same affect happen here
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
Quote from: bususer12 on March 01, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
why whould they if that did happen, as it whould be a gap filled. other than whittles 2a/2c /3 there is only one other Kidderminster route of whittles that is not subsidesd that is the 1 all the rest are on the list that wcc is looking at in there buget cuts
Quote from: bowler on March 01, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 01, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
why whould they if that did happen, as it whould be a gap filled. other than whittles 2a/2c /3 there is only one other Kidderminster route of whittles that is not subsidesd that is the 1 all the rest are on the list that wcc is looking at in there buget cuts
I agree it would provide one unified network of services but the OFT would undoubtedly think that it would stifle competition as Diamond would then be the dominant operator.
Quote from: bowler on March 01, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 01, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
why whould they if that did happen, as it whould be a gap filled. other than whittles 2a/2c /3 there is only one other Kidderminster route of whittles that is not subsidesd that is the 1 all the rest are on the list that wcc is looking at in there buget cuts
It's called the Office of Fair trading, there would be an overly dominant operator in the area. Apart from the West Midlands, this is seen rarely across the country due to the OFT. 1 operator can have a monopoly, starving investment and hiking prices.
Yes, but in this case having 2 operators is having a detrimental effect. Neither operator is making money thus depriving the area of Investment by either of them. But then again the OfT are a bunch of London based bureaucrats with no idea what happens in the real world outside Quangoland!
Quote from: D10 on March 01, 2014, 09:12:14 PM
Yes, but in this case having 2 operators is having a detrimental effect. Neither operator is making money thus depriving the area of Investment by either of them. But then again the OfT are a bunch of London based bureaucrats with no idea what happens in the real world outside Quangoland!
put it this way nobody else wanted first because Kidderminster ops where losing money so if eyms did decied to sell whittles whould anyone be
interested in them with them making a loss
Quote from: bowler on March 01, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 01, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
why whould they if that did happen, as it whould be a gap filled. other than whittles 2a/2c /3 there is only one other Kidderminster route of whittles that is not subsidesd that is the 1 all the rest are on the list that wcc is looking at in there buget cuts
The 125 is largely a commercial service, only 2 or 3 services a day are supported by Shropshire Council, which I have documented somewhere. The 125 is the main route for Whittle.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 02, 2014, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 01, 2014, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 01, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
The OFT may have something to say about that.
why whould they if that did happen, as it whould be a gap filled. other than whittles 2a/2c /3 there is only one other Kidderminster route of whittles that is not subsidesd that is the 1 all the rest are on the list that wcc is looking at in there buget cuts
The 125 is largely a commercial service, only 2 or 3 services a day are supported by Shropshire Council, which I have documented somewhere. The 125 is the main route for Whittle.
the 125 was the only whittles route in kidderminster apart from a few market day ones
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
I know I saw it today it looks quite peculiar I'll say that much for it but yes I knew as soon as it came down here that it wasn't going to go back I mean why would it when they [Whittle's] sent (161, R409 FFC) upto Yorkshire as I said a while back I reckon it was a swap although I admit it was bit odd to swap a 1998 vehicle for a 2000 although stranger things happen with Diamond I suppose...
Quote from: StourportSam on March 03, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
still official classed as loan down here as well, and as for the finglands vehicles going back to eyms the will not improve age much as they are around same age as W409 JAT they are going back home as they came from Eyms
Quote from: bowler on March 03, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 03, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
still official classed as loan down here as well, and as for the finglands vehicles going back to eyms the will not improve age much as they are around same age as W409 JAT they are going back home as they came from Eyms
I thought the 56 plate Enviro 300s were new to Finglands?
I know there are some old deckers but otherwise there are the W reg ALX 200s, 52 plate darts, 08 Geminis and 56 plate Enviro 300s that could potentially replace P, R, S and T registration vehicles in Yorkshire.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 04, 2014, 12:28:23 AM
Quote from: bowler on March 03, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 03, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
still official classed as loan down here as well, and as for the finglands vehicles going back to eyms the will not improve age much as they are around same age as W409 JAT they are going back home as they came from Eyms
I thought the 56 plate Enviro 300s were new to Finglands?
I know there are some old deckers but otherwise there are the W reg ALX 200s, 52 plate darts, 08 Geminis and 56 plate Enviro 300s that could potentially replace P, R, S and T registration vehicles in Yorkshire.
no the 56/57 plate enviros where new to eyms
Quote from: bowler on March 04, 2014, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 04, 2014, 12:28:23 AM
Quote from: bowler on March 03, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 03, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
still official classed as loan down here as well, and as for the finglands vehicles going back to eyms the will not improve age much as they are around same age as W409 JAT they are going back home as they came from Eyms
I thought the 56 plate Enviro 300s were new to Finglands?
I know there are some old deckers but otherwise there are the W reg ALX 200s, 52 plate darts, 08 Geminis and 56 plate Enviro 300s that could potentially replace P, R, S and T registration vehicles in Yorkshire.
no the 56/57 plate enviros where new to eyms
Yes the 56/57 plate Enviro
200s were new to EYMS as you seem to be referring, like the ones transferred to Whittle. I mean the 56 plate Enviro
300s currently with Finglands, the same design as First Midland Red's Enviro 300s the 54 plate ones.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 04, 2014, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 04, 2014, 10:45:13 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 04, 2014, 12:28:23 AM
Quote from: bowler on March 03, 2014, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 03, 2014, 08:29:36 PM
Quote from: Will on March 01, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Yes I noticed that on Facebook maybe they will decide to sell off Whittles and you can bet pound to a penny that Rotala would purchase it in my opinion they really would have they're fingers in the "Kidderminster pie" anyway although IF or even when it happens we'll have to wait and see...
Yes, but the OFT question aside, Rotala never wanted Kidderminster in the first place - it just came with Redditch. Kidderminster's operations are hardly a lucrative business to be enthusiastic about and spend money on.
Quote from: StourportSam on February 14, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Will on February 14, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
309 - W409 JAT is still in Kidderminster it's been with Whittle's since July 2013 and I am convinced that it's staying with Whittle's and nothing will change that maybe I need to phone up Andy.
What I don't understand about Whittle's is they don't sell or withdraw any of there vehicles unlike Diamond..
It is listed as a loan everywhere. It would have been repainted by now if it was staying. Don't forget 418 stayed on loan for well over a year.
Is there any need to sell or withdraw the fleet? It works and runs the service and is all low floor etc.
Both 152 and 153 have been withdraw in the past year or so. 161 has been transferred.
Why would they sell any vehicles? They don't have any fleet capacity to do so and almost certainly don't have the capital to upgrade.
Diamond on the other hand have had a lot of clapped out rubbish that's step entrance non DDA and go knows what else to get rid of. As well as the MAN/MCV evolution saga!
Whittle is documented as being a loss making operation, so its understandable to maintain an existing fleet rather than spend vast amounts of money...
Will, you may have been right all along as W409 JAT has gained Whittle logos front and back - still EY everywhere else though. Perhaps it is staying. The forthcoming ex. Finglands cascades should hopefully improve the average age of the EYMS fleet.
EYMS website still lists it as loan though.
Double posts merged, Winston
still official classed as loan down here as well, and as for the finglands vehicles going back to eyms the will not improve age much as they are around same age as W409 JAT they are going back home as they came from Eyms
I thought the 56 plate Enviro 300s were new to Finglands?
I know there are some old deckers but otherwise there are the W reg ALX 200s, 52 plate darts, 08 Geminis and 56 plate Enviro 300s that could potentially replace P, R, S and T registration vehicles in Yorkshire.
no the 56/57 plate enviros where new to eyms
Yes the 56/57 plate Enviro 200s were new to EYMS as you seem to be referring, like the ones transferred to Whittle. I mean the 56 plate Enviro 300s currently with Finglands, the same design as First Midland Red's Enviro 300s the 54 plate ones.
only just found the finglands list I see the ones you mean on there I was using a eyms list showing vehicles transferd to finglands
I have seen elsewhere on flickr that all of the ex Finglands buses will depart from Rusholme for the last time this weekend and former Finglands routes will be operated solely by First vehicles from 9th March. This presumably means the ex Finglands vehicles should be arriving in Yorkshire now if not very soon.
Will be interesting to see if this means anything for Whittle in the form of fleet changes. My guess is probably not, as Whittle is not growing it's operations and has all the buses it needs which are all low-floor and ramps etc.
(309.) W309JAT has now got Whittle fleet name stickers on the front and rear window as I saw it doing route 3 today.
Quote from: Martin on March 11, 2014, 03:46:14 PM
(309.) W309JAT has now got Whittle fleet name stickers on the front and rear window as I saw it doing route 3 today.
it's had them on since at least last Monday
The last coach from the old whittles days javelin 12 has now been sold along with 153 details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1062
EYMS 309 could be staying after all as ex 314 to 317 of that batch are being transferred to whittles they had been at finglands for a while
fingland details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1061
wonder if they will replace the w reg mpd as there just same amount of vehicles
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
EYMS 309 could be staying after all as ex 314 to 317 of that batch are being transferred to whittles they had been at finglands for a while
fingland details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1061
wonder if they will replace the w reg mpd as there just same amount of vehicles
Do Whittle's have a need for more higher capacity single deckers? The bus fleet is already fully low floor isn't it?
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
EYMS 309 could be staying after all as ex 314 to 317 of that batch are being transferred to whittles they had been at finglands for a while
fingland details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1061
wonder if they will replace the w reg mpd as there just same amount of vehicles
Do Whittle's have a need for more higher capacity single deckers? The bus fleet is already fully low floor isn't it?
suppose EYMS are just sharing out the Ex Finglands vehicles
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
EYMS 309 could be staying after all as ex 314 to 317 of that batch are being transferred to whittles they had been at finglands for a while
fingland details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1061
wonder if they will replace the w reg mpd as there just same amount of vehicles
Do Whittle's have a need for more higher capacity single deckers? The bus fleet is already fully low floor isn't it?
suppose EYMS are just sharing out the Ex Finglands vehicles
I'm sure they'll come in handy for some of the longer distance work & offer a better quality journey.
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
Quote from: bowler on March 17, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
EYMS 309 could be staying after all as ex 314 to 317 of that batch are being transferred to whittles they had been at finglands for a while
fingland details in link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1061
wonder if they will replace the w reg mpd as there just same amount of vehicles
Do Whittle's have a need for more higher capacity single deckers? The bus fleet is already fully low floor isn't it?
suppose EYMS are just sharing out the Ex Finglands vehicles
I'm sure they'll come in handy for some of the longer distance work & offer a better quality journey.
just looked at the whole list of vehicles going back to eyms these are the oldest single deck vehicles so perhaps that is why they arrived down here.
Good to see some good quality full size buses coming down here, but I wonder what they will replace seeing as the fleet seems fine as it is.
Y213 HWJ and Y214 HWJ seem a bit knackered though.
Unless there is a need for more buses at Kidderminster? More routes/work perhaps? Doubt it!
I see 173 has already gone through the paint shop.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 18, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Good to see some good quality full size buses coming down here, but I wonder what they will replace seeing as the fleet seems fine as it is.
Y213 HWJ and Y214 HWJ seem a bit knackered though.
Unless there is a need for more buses at Kidderminster? More routes/work perhaps? Doubt it!
I see 173 has already gone through the paint shop.
I was thinking that they may use the B10BLE's to allow Darts to cascade on to other routes & allow the W-reg MPD's to be withdrawn.
Or could they be launching a new service in competition with Diamond?
Did someone say a while ago that Whittle's current depot was at capacity?
Quote from: Winston on March 18, 2014, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 18, 2014, 09:17:39 PM
Good to see some good quality full size buses coming down here, but I wonder what they will replace seeing as the fleet seems fine as it is.
Y213 HWJ and Y214 HWJ seem a bit knackered though.
Unless there is a need for more buses at Kidderminster? More routes/work perhaps? Doubt it!
I see 173 has already gone through the paint shop.
I was thinking that they may use the B10BLE's to allow Darts to cascade on to other routes & allow the W-reg MPD's to be withdrawn.
Or could they be launching a new service in competition with Diamond?
Did someone say a while ago that Whittle's current depot was at capacity?
Unless there is a need for more buses at Kidderminster? More routes/work perhaps? Doubt it!
they may use the on the 3 which would give them slightly bigger bus than diamond m I think (not 100% sure )
I have regularly seen 125 journeys leaving Stourbridge full, particularly on Saturdays. I suspect it is a popular route now to take folks from the Black Country down to the Severn Valley for a day out.
So that may be a good place to upgrade the route from smaller vehicles.
Quote from: D10 on March 19, 2014, 09:34:27 PM
I have regularly seen 125 journeys leaving Stourbridge full, particularly on Saturdays. I suspect it is a popular route now to take folks from the Black Country down to the Severn Valley for a day out.
So that may be a good place to upgrade the route from smaller vehicles.
I'm surprised Whittle's have not tried extending some/all 125 journeys to Merry Hill or even introduce a new variant of the 125 running Merry Hill - Kidderminster via Stourbridge at hourly intervals fitted to provide a half hourly combined service over common sections
I'll have to take a look at that 125 one day.
Mind you, from where I am, Bridgnorth is easier via Wolverhampton, unless I really fancy Bewdley for a day trip.
Last time I went that way a few years ago, I went on the Svr!
Is that chippy still there by the side of the river?
Quote from: Westy on March 19, 2014, 10:38:12 PM
I'll have to take a look at that 125 one day.
Mind you, from where I am, Bridgnorth is easier via Wolverhampton, unless I really fancy Bewdley for a day trip.
Last time I went that way a few years ago, I went on the Svr!
Is that chippy still there by the side of the river?
Go by SVR, its much more scenic! Or even 125 one way and SVR the other.
And yes, the Merchants is still next to the river bridge in Bewdley serving fish and chips as good as ever!
Just happened to do a vehicle enquiry on the DVLA website and it would appear that T638 XNP is no longer in Whittle ownership (see below) shame really as I liked these coaches the same also goes for RUI 2116
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for T638 XNP and RUI 2116 are:
Date of Liability
03 02 2014 (for T638 XNP)
04 02 2014 (for RUI 2116)
Date of First Registration
17 05 1999 (T638 XNP)
01 01 2000 (RUI 2116)
Year of Manufacture
1999, 2000 (both)
Cylinder Capacity (cc) Not Available
CO₂ Emissions Not Available
Fuel TypeHEAVY OIL
Export Marker Export (both)
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
Quote from: Will on March 27, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Just happened to do a vehicle enquiry on the DVLA website and it would appear that T638 XNP is no longer in Whittle ownership (see below) shame really as I liked these coaches the same also goes for RUI 2116
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for T638 XNP and RUI 2116 are:
Date of Liability
03 02 2014 (for T638 XNP)
04 02 2014 (for RUI 2116)
Date of First Registration
17 05 1999 (T638 XNP)
01 01 2000 (RUI 2116)
Year of Manufacture
1999, 2000 (both)
Cylinder Capacity (cc) Not Available
CO₂ Emissions Not Available
Fuel TypeHEAVY OIL
Export Marker Export (both)
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
'Tis a shame but they were getting on a bit and have been replaced by newer vehicles...
Quote from: StourportSam on March 28, 2014, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Will on March 27, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Just happened to do a vehicle enquiry on the DVLA website and it would appear that T638 XNP is no longer in Whittle ownership (see below) shame really as I liked these coaches the same also goes for RUI 2116
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for T638 XNP and RUI 2116 are:
Date of Liability
03 02 2014 (for T638 XNP)
04 02 2014 (for RUI 2116)
Date of First Registration
17 05 1999 (T638 XNP)
01 01 2000 (RUI 2116)
Year of Manufacture
1999, 2000 (both)
Cylinder Capacity (cc) Not Available
CO₂ Emissions Not Available
Fuel TypeHEAVY OIL
Export Marker Export (both)
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
'Tis a shame but they were getting on a bit and have been replaced by newer vehicles...
think they where the last vehicles that where left in the fleet from before the EYMS takeover.
Quote from: bowler on March 28, 2014, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on March 28, 2014, 06:11:59 PM
Quote from: Will on March 27, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Just happened to do a vehicle enquiry on the DVLA website and it would appear that T638 XNP is no longer in Whittle ownership (see below) shame really as I liked these coaches the same also goes for RUI 2116
The enquiry is complete.
The vehicle details for T638 XNP and RUI 2116 are:
Date of Liability
03 02 2014 (for T638 XNP)
04 02 2014 (for RUI 2116)
Date of First Registration
17 05 1999 (T638 XNP)
01 01 2000 (RUI 2116)
Year of Manufacture
1999, 2000 (both)
Cylinder Capacity (cc) Not Available
CO₂ Emissions Not Available
Fuel TypeHEAVY OIL
Export Marker Export (both)
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval Not Available
'Tis a shame but they were getting on a bit and have been replaced by newer vehicles...
think they where the last vehicles that where left in the fleet from before the EYMS takeover.
Yes, Cedric I think you may be right as they were in original Whittle livery and remained that way throughout they're life with Whittle's however all the other vehicle's changed to ghastly White & Green I much preferred the previous livery god only knows why EYMS had to change it
The coach fleet retains a revised version of the original while, yellow and blue livery.
Only the local bus fleet is in white and green.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 28, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
The coach fleet retains a revised version of the original while, yellow and blue livery.
Only the local bus fleet is in white and green.
Yhyh the point I was making Sam, is that they had to mess around changing the livery when the original was perfectly fine the way it was
Not strictly Whittle's related, but in addition to all the ex Fingland buses that have returned to parent EYMS Group, they also have a number of new buses currently have 14 new buses on order
From the EYMS website:
-There are six new Volvo B9TL buses on order. Their fleet numbers will be 780 to 785 and their registration numbers will be YX14 HEJ, YX14 HEU, YX14 HEV, YX14 HFA, YX14 HFB and YX14 HFC..
- There are four new Volvo B7RLE buses on order. Their fleet numbers will be 382 to 385 and their registration numbers will be YX14 HDU, YX14 HDV, YX14 HDY and YX14 HDZ..
- There are four new Dennis Dart E200 buses on order. Their fleet numbers will be 378 to 381, and their registration numbers will be YX14 RXD, YX14 RXF, YX14 RXG and YX14 RXH.
The 6 x Gemini's are believed to be Volvo dealer stock and may be the one's already at Bus & Coach world presumably to be painted in fleet colours & have destination equipment fitted.
I wonder if Whittle's may be in-line to receive any more newer E200 cascades from EYMS
165 and 166 W462 UAG and W466 UAG have returned to EYMS at Hull.
Photo on Flickr dated today (31/03/14) shows the pair there.
So that's what the transferred buses are replacing... Thought that would be the case. Hope 169 is not withdrawn, a really nice bus.
Quote from: StourportSam on March 31, 2014, 11:20:19 PM
165 and 166 W462 UAG and W466 UAG have returned to EYMS at Hull.
Photo on Flickr dated today (31/03/14) shows the pair there.
So that's what the transferred buses are replacing... Thought that would be the case. Hope 169 is not withdrawn, a really nice bus.
sam thought it might be those that go . was on 166 on Saturday the last service to bewdley of the night that would have been it's last run with whittles as I think most finish about that time 6.20
just seen this on eyms website dated to day 1/4/14
162
Whittles
Hull
163
Whittles
Hull
164
Whittles
Delicensed
165
Whittles
Delicensed the ones that are ;listed in service are to keep there whittles fleet numbers as 161 has. my guess is that they will not be there long
with the new vehicles eyms have on order.
know 166 is up there as well as saw the picture Sam spoke of yesterday
-------------------------------------------------
173 (1706)
(Finglands)
Whittles
174 (1707)
(Finglands)
Whittles
175 (1708)
(Finglands)
Whittles
176 (1709)
(Finglands)
Whittles
Hopefully that is an error and they mean 165 and 166.
164 is a good bus, I hope that does not go.
Ex Finglands B10BLE's 173 & 176 were painted in Whittle's colours at Hull during March, so those two at least can't be far from being seen out in service, especially with a number of Whittle's MPD's returned to EYMS
Sam, can you post/forward a link for the pictures of the ex Whittle's buses back in EY
I don't think 163 (Y214 HWJ) is departing as I saw it this afternoon on Minster Road in Stourport on the number 3 whether in time it will depart Kidderminster will remain to be seen but anyway as of 1st April it was still in Kidderminster
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2014, 11:14:40 PM
Ex Finglands B10BLE's 173 & 176 were painted in Whittle's colours at Hull during March, so those two at least can't be far from being seen out in service, especially with a number of Whittle's MPD's returned to EYMS
Sam, can you post/forward a link for the pictures of the ex Whittle's buses back in EY
Winston, I am currently on my mobile so am unable to post the link, I did initially post the link but deleted it out of respect for the owner as it was not my photo. I have also seen a photo on Flickr this evening of one of the repainted JAT buses sat spare at Kidderminster bus station, I will post both links later.
I am now beginning to wonder whether W409 JAT was sent down here specifically for driver familiarisation EYMS having a long term plan to transfer the four ALX300s down here once Finglands was sold? The question is now will 309 return oop north?
Quote from: StourportSam on April 02, 2014, 01:53:54 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 01, 2014, 11:14:40 PM
Ex Finglands B10BLE's 173 & 176 were painted in Whittle's colours at Hull during March, so those two at least can't be far from being seen out in service, especially with a number of Whittle's MPD's returned to EYMS
Sam, can you post/forward a link for the pictures of the ex Whittle's buses back in EY
Winston, I am currently on my mobile so am unable to post the link, I did initially post the link but deleted it out of respect for the owner as it was not my photo. I have also seen a photo on Flickr this evening of one of the repainted JAT buses sat spare at Kidderminster bus station, I will post both links later.
I am now beginning to wonder whether W409 JAT was sent down here specifically for driver familiarisation EYMS having a long term plan to transfer the four ALX300s down here once Finglands was sold? The question is now will 309 return oop north?
Sam,
I think I may have found some of them?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/sets/72157642506965255
W415JAT
https://www.flickr.com/photos/willstransportphotos/13410752384/in/pool-1045857@N21
Quote from: Will on April 01, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
I don't think 163 (Y214 HWJ) is departing as I saw it this afternoon on Minster Road in Stourport on the number 3 whether in time it will depart Kidderminster will remain to be seen but anyway as of 1st April it was still in Kidderminster
will here is the link to page I got info from http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1067 as you will see they have go 163 allocated to hull so I think it will be going at some time when the jats are all down. unless eyms have had a last minute change of plan .
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: Will on April 01, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
I don't think 163 (Y214 HWJ) is departing as I saw it this afternoon on Minster Road in Stourport on the number 3 whether in time it will depart Kidderminster will remain to be seen but anyway as of 1st April it was still in Kidderminster
will here is the link to page I got info from http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1067 as you will see they have go 163 allocated to hull so I think it will be going at some time when the jats are all down. unless eyms have had a last minute change of plan .
At least 173/174 are in Kidderminster seen them both this morning on the 3
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 12:29:10 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: Will on April 01, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
I don't think 163 (Y214 HWJ) is departing as I saw it this afternoon on Minster Road in Stourport on the number 3 whether in time it will depart Kidderminster will remain to be seen but anyway as of 1st April it was still in Kidderminster
will here is the link to page I got info from http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1067 as you will see they have go 163 allocated to hull so I think it will be going at some time when the jats are all down. unless eyms have had a last minute change of plan .
At least 173/174 are in Kidderminster seen them both this morning on the 3
I read that but I saw 163 again in Kidder again today on the 192 maybe I should phone up Andy at Whittle's and ask him what's what in regards to the fleet movement(s) he's a nice chap tbf
Unless he is in management there
in a high position he proberlay not
know any more that he could tell you
it is more than likely that 163 replacement
is late coming down here.
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Unless he is in management there
in a high position he proberlay not
know any more that he could tell you
it is more than likely that 163 replacement
is late coming down here.
I believe Andy is Peter Shipp's son i.e. Chairman/owner of EYMS group
Quote from: Winston on April 02, 2014, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Unless he is in management there
in a high position he proberlay not
know any more that he could tell you
it is more than likely that 163 replacement
is late coming down here.
I believe Andy is Peter Shipp's son i.e. Chairman/owner of EYMS group
Bald chap wears glasses that right?
Quote from: Will on April 02, 2014, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 02, 2014, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Unless he is in management there
in a high position he proberlay not
know any more that he could tell you
it is more than likely that 163 replacement
is late coming down here.
I believe Andy is Peter Shipp's son i.e. Chairman/owner of EYMS group
Bald chap wears glasses that right?
If you mean Andy, don't know never seen a picture of him
Quote from: Winston on April 02, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
Quote from: Will on April 02, 2014, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 02, 2014, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 02, 2014, 09:40:23 PM
Unless he is in management there
in a high position he proberlay not
know any more that he could tell you
it is more than likely that 163 replacement
is late coming down here.
I believe Andy is Peter Shipp's son i.e. Chairman/owner of EYMS group
Bald chap wears glasses that right?
If you mean Andy, don't know never seen a picture of him
Winston that is virtual a description of me as well
contacted EYMS twitter page about whittles buses going up there 162/163 are going into service at hull . and 165/166 are withdrawn . nothing about 164 being . that is what they told me and all they know it is a official twitter page . they did say that the could be more coming this way in the future. as there driffield depot is shutting .
I wonder if 309 will be getting a repaint into Whittle livery (and new fleetnumber?), with the repainted B10BLEs coming down from Yorkshire. I haven't seen 309 in quite a while. Have any arrived yet?
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
I wonder if 309 will be getting a repaint into Whittle livery (and new fleetnumber?), with the repainted B10BLEs coming down from Yorkshire. I haven't seen 309 in quite a while. Have any arrived yet?
That is indeed a very good point mate as I haven't seen it either maybe it's just gone for respray or I guess assume the worst that it may well of returned to Yorkshire...
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
I wonder if 309 will be getting a repaint into Whittle livery (and new fleetnumber?), with the repainted B10BLEs coming down from Yorkshire. I haven't seen 309 in quite a while. Have any arrived yet?
StourportSam reported one parked up in KR bus station last week
173,174 w 414 jat, w 415 jat have arrived saw them
thursday
Quote from: bowler on April 06, 2014, 04:57:50 PM
173,174 w 414 jat, w 415 jat have arrived saw them
thursday
In Whittle livery, I presume?
Whittles livery the Green looks
a shade ligter
Quote from: bowler on April 06, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Whittles livery the Green looks
a shade ligter
Not lighter, just fresh and clean!
I too have seen W414 JAT and W415 JAT.
I have seen photos of completed W417 JAT in Hull so that could be here Monday, possibly along with W416 JAT.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 06, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 06, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Whittles livery the Green looks
a shade ligter
Not lighter, just fresh and clean!
I too have seen W414 JAT and W415 JAT.
I have seen photos of completed W417 JAT in Hull so that could be here Monday, possibly along with W416 JAT.
But no sign of W409 JAT Sam?
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 06, 2014, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 06, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Whittles livery the Green looks
a shade ligter
Not lighter, just fresh and clean!
I too have seen W414 JAT and W415 JAT.
I have seen photos of completed W417 JAT in Hull so that could be here Monday, possibly along with W416 JAT.
But no sign of W409 JAT Sam?
I have not seen it, although that doesn't mean it isn't here.
There is a photo of it on Flickr in service on the 125 on 1st April.
Personally I think it will return to EYMS when its other two siblings arrive in Kidderminster.
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
Quote from: Will on April 08, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
It's already been on loan a long, long time and with others of the same type now arriving at Whittle's I reckon it will end up staying. Can't see EYMS needing it with all the other ex Finglands & new buses due to arrive
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
it was ferrying them back then
Quote from: Winston on April 08, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Will on April 08, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
It's already been on loan a long, long time and with others of the same type now arriving at Whittle's I reckon it will end up staying. Can't see EYMS needing it with all the other ex Finglands & new buses due to arrive
Winston I used twitter to find about about the recent transfer to and from whittles . and I to think some more vehicles of the WJAT batch may well com down as as well as the new bus due to arrive soon and the ex Finglands ones EYMS are closing there dirifield depot down and there are only a fe WJat buses which are none standard to rest of the fleet
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 08:54:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 08, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Will on April 08, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 08, 2014, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 08, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
It's already been on loan a long, long time and with others of the same type now arriving at Whittle's I reckon it will end up staying. Can't see EYMS needing it with all the other ex Finglands & new buses due to arrive
Winston I used twitter to find about about the recent transfer to and from whittles . and I to think some more vehicles of the WJAT batch may well com down as as well as the new bus due to arrive soon and the ex Finglands ones EYMS are closing there dirifield depot down and there are only a fe WJat buses which are none standard to rest of the fleet
Problem with Twitter & Facebook you don't know who is managing the EYMS account. It could be internal or an external third party, both of which could just be answering questions off the companies data base. Which obviously would still show it on loan.
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309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
It's already been on loan a long, long time and with others of the same type now arriving at Whittle's I reckon it will end up staying. Can't see EYMS needing it with all the other ex Finglands & new buses due to arrive
Winston I used twitter to find about about the recent transfer to and from whittles . and I to think some more vehicles of the WJAT batch may well com down as as well as the new bus due to arrive soon and the ex Finglands ones EYMS are closing there dirifield depot down and there are only a fe WJat buses which are none standard to rest of the fleet
Problem with Twitter & Facebook you don't know who is managing the EYMS account. It could be internal or an external third party, both of which could just be answering questions off the companies data base. Which obviously would still show it on loan.
Winston, I have always got the impression the EYMS enthusiasts updates are either done by an external party or someone with little inside knowledge just using the fleetlist database.
Noticed on the main site Tony has acquired a photo of 174 / W415 JAT in Kiddy bus station
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/174.html
309 W409 JAT was on the 125 today (9th April)
Quote from: StourportSam on April 09, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
309 W409 JAT was on the 125 today (9th April)
I hope it's on the 192 on Friday, specifically the 07:40 ex Halesowen as I have to catch the 192 to school due to the HC services not running!
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 11:09:24 PM
Noticed on the main site Tony has acquired a photo of 174 / W415 JAT in Kiddy bus station
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/174.html
Yes, it's mine :P
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
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Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
Yes, I have no shame in saying that the B10 in all its various forms (including beastly B10M coaches) is my favourite bus of all time.
Have any strayed from the 3 yet (excluding 409)? I'm hoping for one on the 07:40 ex Halesowen or 16:51 ex Hagley 192 tomorrow!
Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
Yes, I have no shame in saying that the B10 in all its various forms (including beastly B10M coaches) is my favourite bus of all time.
Have any strayed from the 3 yet (excluding 409)? I'm hoping for one on the 07:40 ex Halesowen or 16:51 ex Hagley 192 tomorrow!
Judging by how dirty W414 JAT was the other day, I would say it has been on the 125...
And I think I saw one of them on the 1
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
Yes, I have no shame in saying that the B10 in all its various forms (including beastly B10M coaches) is my favourite bus of all time.
Have any strayed from the 3 yet (excluding 409)? I'm hoping for one on the 07:40 ex Halesowen or 16:51 ex Hagley 192 tomorrow!
Judging by how dirty W414 JAT was the other day, I would say it has been on the 125...
And I think I saw one of them on the 1
LOL, soot from the steam trains I'm sure ;)
Do Whittles still do their 16-19 tickets? If so, any idea how much the Wyre Forest & 192 one is?
Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
Yes, I have no shame in saying that the B10 in all its various forms (including beastly B10M coaches) is my favourite bus of all time.
Have any strayed from the 3 yet (excluding 409)? I'm hoping for one on the 07:40 ex Halesowen or 16:51 ex Hagley 192 tomorrow!
Judging by how dirty W414 JAT was the other day, I would say it has been on the 125...
And I think I saw one of them on the 1
LOL, soot from the steam trains I'm sure ;)
Do Whittles still do their 16-19 tickets? If so, any idea how much the Wyre Forest & 192 one is?
Well, no - they're not running in the week at the moment! Just the muddy country roads around Highley make a bus filthy after one trip when there has been a bit of rain!
Please see my PM regarding 16-19 tickets
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 10, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 10, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
As I write this I am sat on W416 JAT on the 3.
No sign yet of 417
What are your thoughts on W416 JAT?
Much better quality bus that the Enviro 200s Whittle have, seems to have something about it like B7RLEs. Volvos always seem to be the most beefy buses.
Sounds a bit more tired than its siblings 414 and 415 which I have also been on now.
Nicely presented bus, very good interior and exterior for 14 years of age. Well done Finglands for keeping them so well.
Yes, I have no shame in saying that the B10 in all its various forms (including beastly B10M coaches) is my favourite bus of all time.
Have any strayed from the 3 yet (excluding 409)? I'm hoping for one on the 07:40 ex Halesowen or 16:51 ex Hagley 192 tomorrow!
Judging by how dirty W414 JAT was the other day, I would say it has been on the 125...
And I think I saw one of them on the 1
LOL, soot from the steam trains I'm sure ;)
Do Whittles still do their 16-19 tickets? If so, any idea how much the Wyre Forest & 192 one is?
Well, no - they're not running in the week at the moment! Just the muddy country roads around Highley make a bus filthy after one trip when there has been a bit of rain!
Please see my PM regarding 16-19 tickets
Haha, I was only joking anyway. I will have to give the 125 a go soon, I love the Severn Valley.
from the 2/6/14 diamond have registered a service 1 for rifle range see my post on the vosa thread
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from the 2/6/14 diamond have registered a service 1 for rifle range see my post on the vosa thread
Bad news for Whittle, perhaps they will retaliate and register again on the 10...
Caught the 192 7:40 ex Halesowen and 16:51 ex Hagley today as planned. Sods law, I got two Enviros!
7:40 was 157, left Halesowen dead on time and arrived in Hagley dead on time. Good, helpful driver. Bus was a bit rattly though.
16:51 was 158 and arrived in Hagley 21 minutes late at 17:12, no doubt due to the notorious Kiddy traffic. Again a nice friendly driver and I preferred this Enviro to 157. Arrived in Halesowen 16 minutes late at 17:25 but was held up by the 202 and did not leave till 17:30.
The 16-19 Wyre & 192 ticket was £3.70 (oddly a 16-19 return Halesowen - Hagley was £3.80)
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 09, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
309 W409 JAT was on the 125 today (9th April)
I hope it's on the 192 on Friday, specifically the 07:40 ex Halesowen as I have to catch the 192 to school due to the HC services not running!
How come the Thandi Hagley services were not running? :o
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Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 09, 2014, 11:46:22 PM
309 W409 JAT was on the 125 today (9th April)
I hope it's on the 192 on Friday, specifically the 07:40 ex Halesowen as I have to catch the 192 to school due to the HC services not running!
How come the Thandi Hagley services were not running? :o
Hagley Catholic was closed
Quote from: Winston on April 08, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Will on April 08, 2014, 08:07:57 PM
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309 W409 JAT is still here, just passed it on Stourport Road not in service with one fitter driving and two more on board.
W415 JAT is on the 3
W414 JAT is spare K
interesting I wonder could it be on its way to EYMS and the others expected coming down with maybe 1 more . but is more than likely that the fitter was ferrying drivers to Kidderminster for a change over
part of a tweet I reccived from eyms twitter page
I think they are all down there now. 162 & 163 are on the pits here, 165 and 166 are parked on our rear car park.
Your assumptions could be correct, had it not been travelling in the direction of the Whittle garage away from town...
I've had it comfirmed by EYMS via Facebook that 309 is defintely going back:
"..Hi Will. As far as we know, 309 is still on loan, so will return here at some stage. If you're on Twitter, you may find it useful to follow @EYMSEnthusiasts, who tweet information such as this.."
So thats it unfortuneatly..
It's already been on loan a long, long time and with others of the same type now arriving at Whittle's I reckon it will end up staying. Can't see EYMS needing it with all the other ex Finglands & new buses due to arrive
309 is still in Kidderminster seen this morning 16/04/14
If anyone sees any of the new B10BLEs or 309 on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday next week (22nd - 25th), I'd be really grateful if they could let me know the service number and time/location
If Y213 and 214 HWJ had still been with Whittle they both would of had they're 13th birthday today
Both registered: 19/04/2001
Shame they had to leave but I guess once the "JAT" buses came down from Yorkshire the HWJ Darts were surpless to requirements
176 W417 JAT is now in service.
Quote from: Matt on April 18, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
If anyone sees any of the new B10BLEs or 309 on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday next week (22nd - 25th), I'd be really grateful if they could let me know the service number and time/location
Are you sure you'd like me to report every sighting? I see them everyday on the 3...
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 18, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
If anyone sees any of the new B10BLEs or 309 on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday next week (22nd - 25th), I'd be really grateful if they could let me know the service number and time/location
Are you sure you'd like me to report every sighting? I see them everyday on the 3...
Haha, ok maybe not. Rephrase: if one gets onto any other route than the 3, can they let me know ;)
So is the 3 fully operated by the B10s now? How many buses are on there during the day?
Quote from: Matt on April 19, 2014, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 18, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
If anyone sees any of the new B10BLEs or 309 on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday next week (22nd - 25th), I'd be really grateful if they could let me know the service number and time/location
Are you sure you'd like me to report every sighting? I see them everyday on the 3...
Haha, ok maybe not. Rephrase: if one gets onto any other route than the 3, can they let me know ;)
So is the 3 fully operated by the B10s now? How many buses are on there during the day?
The 3, ironicly, requires 3 vehicles all day! One vehicle is normally swapped with the 'spare' bus at Kidderminster around 5pm.
B10s are mainly being used, it is too early yet to see if they remain the main allocation. For example one of the days this week YX56 HVG and YX03 MWG were on there. B10BLEs also seem common on the 1 now.
Seeing as the transferred away 163, 165 And 166 were very much regulars on the 3 I would say the B10BLEs will stay on that service mainly, we shall see now all 4 are here.
W414 JAT was on the 1845 ex Bridgnorth 125 last Saturday if that helps.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 19, 2014, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 08:13:08 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 18, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
If anyone sees any of the new B10BLEs or 309 on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday next week (22nd - 25th), I'd be really grateful if they could let me know the service number and time/location
Are you sure you'd like me to report every sighting? I see them everyday on the 3...
Haha, ok maybe not. Rephrase: if one gets onto any other route than the 3, can they let me know ;)
So is the 3 fully operated by the B10s now? How many buses are on there during the day?
The 3, ironicly, requires 3 vehicles all day! One vehicle is normally swapped with the 'spare' bus at Kidderminster around 5pm.
B10s are mainly being used, it is too early yet to see if they remain the main allocation. For example one of the days this week YX56 HVG and YX03 MWG were on there. B10BLEs also seem common on the 1 now.
Seeing as the transferred away 163, 165 And 166 were very much regulars on the 3 I would say the B10BLEs will stay on that service mainly, we shall see now all 4 are here.
W414 JAT was on the 1845 ex Bridgnorth 125 last Saturday if that helps.
So I guess it's just a case of stand in the bus station and one'll turn up before long!
Look out for me on Wednesday, I'll be coming down for the day. Possibly one or two other days too.
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Thanks for that, I forgot that Diamond were previously competing in KR. Didn't that date back to Pete's Travel/People's Express days rather than Diamond Bus (Birmingham Coach Company)?
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Thanks for that, I forgot that Diamond were previously competing in KR. Didn't that date back to Pete's Travel/People's Express days rather than Diamond Bus (Birmingham Coach Company)?
If it was 2011 it would have been Red Diamond as Red Diamond was branded in 2008 if my memory serves me rightly.
Quote from: tank90 on April 20, 2014, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Thanks for that, I forgot that Diamond were previously competing in KR. Didn't that date back to Pete's Travel/People's Express days rather than Diamond Bus (Birmingham Coach Company)?
If it was 2011 it would have been Red Diamond as Red Diamond was branded in 2008 if my memory serves me rightly.
should read first & whittles completing with each other pete's travel BCC diamond did run on some tendred route but first or whittles never ran on them at the same time. not got time go in to detail now will do latter
I
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:25:22 AM
Quote from: tank90 on April 20, 2014, 12:48:17 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 20, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 19, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Thanks for that, I forgot that Diamond were previously competing in KR. Didn't that date back to Pete's Travel/People's Express days rather than Diamond Bus (Birmingham Coach Company)?
If it was 2011 it would have been Red Diamond as Red Diamond was branded in 2008 if my memory serves me rightly.
should read first & whittles completing with each other pete's travel BCC diamond did run on some tendred route but first or whittles never ran on them at the same time. not got time go in to detail now will do latter
I seem to remember Pete's travel operated on the X33 and 300/303 services in Kidderminster. When they lost the tender and First regain the services from WCC, Pete's travel registered the X33 on a commercial basis, although I seem to remember the frequency was quite irregular.
The info I said I would give earlier first & whittles both ran on the 1 for a while first pull off and left it to whittles, the 2 whittles did some evening
tendred runs for a while , and ages ago petes travel ran a tendred service to bewdley following the route of the present 2a .
4/4a was run by first and the 5 was run by whittles but a different route it is shorter now as some of it as been added to the 7 which whittles run now , the old 7 had been run by first pete's travel diamond wihittles, there is now a 7a replacing part of the old 7 run by woosh . the 10 was run by first and whittles who pull of leaving it to first. the 192 weekdays had been run by first but for quite a while by diamond going back to BCC days, the sundays service joined with the 292 over quite a few years had been run by first pete's travel, whittles central connect .
pete's travel(under the name busy bee ) did have a few tendred runs on the 125 for a while the 300 over the years has been run by kestrel , woodstones first pete's travel . the x3 evening tendred service by petes travel , the sunday x3 had been first and petes travel over the years
but the where know as the 333 and 334 can not remember which was which. there might be a few erorrs . only posted this here as it is answer to earlier post
Quote from: Will on April 19, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
If Y213 and 214 HWJ had still been with Whittle they both would of had they're 13th birthday today
Both registered: 19/04/2001
Shame they had to leave but I guess once the "JAT" buses came down from Yorkshire the HWJ Darts were surpless to requirements
will diamond have Y 211 HWJ and Y 212 HWJ do not know if the are still in service
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
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Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
Thanks guys.
Also out of interest, when was the last time they put a coach on a bus route?
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
will according to whittles own fleet list and uk bus fleet list The fleet number for W 462 UAG is 165 not 162
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
will according to whittles own fleet list and uk bus fleet list The fleet number for W 462 UAG is 165 not 162
Oh christ yh bloody Whittle fleet numbers confusing me
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
Thanks guys.
Also out of interest, when was the last time they put a coach on a bus route?
Matt personal I have not seen a coach on a bus route for a very long time .
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
will according to whittles own fleet list and uk bus fleet list The fleet number for W 462 UAG is 165 not 162
Oh christ yh bloody Whittle fleet numbers confusing me
Will if the fleet numbers I put are confusing you take a look at the whittles website and look at the fleet information section it is a bit out of date
here is the link will http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
will according to whittles own fleet list and uk bus fleet list The fleet number for W 462 UAG is 165 not 162
Oh christ yh bloody Whittle fleet numbers confusing me
Will if the fleet numbers I put are confusing you take a look at the whittles website and look at the fleet information section it is a bit out of date
here is the link will http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
Matt - nope no coaches have been in use on any route for about 18 months or more sadly I love it when they use a coach on the 125 route but as I say it hasn't been for a good while
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 10:01:33 PM
Matt - nope no coaches have been in use on any route for about 18 months or more sadly I love it when they use a coach on the 125 route but as I say it hasn't been for a good while
I used to see them quite a bit on the 192 in Halesowen. I must admit they suit the 192 with the fast running along the A456 between Hayley Green and Kiddy but it does strike me that prospective passengers at bus stops along the route might not realise that the coach was the 192 until the last second, hopefully the driver would stop at any bus stop with people waiting to check whether they wanted the 192.
whats the price of a day return on 125 or 192 planning to down soon thanks
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Will on April 19, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
If Y213 and 214 HWJ had still been with Whittle they both would of had they're 13th birthday today
Both registered: 19/04/2001
Shame they had to leave but I guess once the "JAT" buses came down from Yorkshire the HWJ Darts were surpless to requirements
will diamond have Y 211 HWJ and Y 212 HWJ do not know if the are still in service
Yes I believe they are and both vehicles are based in Tividale or LAC I think wouldn't it be "deja-vu" if they were ever transferred to Kidderminster..
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
whats the price of a day return on 125 or 192 planning to down soon thanks
A Whittle day ticket is £6.20 I think mate and you can use it all day on ANY service
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
whats the price of a day return on 125 or 192 planning to down soon thanks
It depends on where to and from, and of course your age. Bear in mind that there has also been a considerable fare increase this year. I know that a 16-19 Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70 and it's a little over £5 adult I think. Whittle's single/return fares are so expensive it's usually better to buy a day ticket. For example, the 16-19 Halesowen - Hagley return is £3.80 (only 14 mins each way) but the entire Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70.
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Will on April 19, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
If Y213 and 214 HWJ had still been with Whittle they both would of had they're 13th birthday today
Both registered: 19/04/2001
Shame they had to leave but I guess once the "JAT" buses came down from Yorkshire the HWJ Darts were surpless to requirements
will diamond have Y 211 HWJ and Y 212 HWJ do not know if the are still in service
Yes I believe they are and both vehicles are based in Tividale or LAC I think wouldn't it be "deja-vu" if they were ever transferred to Kidderminster..
Diamond Y211/2 WHJ I think were at Redditch later branded for 226 service now de branded
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Will not just that one do not know what Shropshire services whittles have in bridgnorth and Ludlow areas
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Will not just that one do not know what Shropshire services whittles have in bridgnorth and Ludlow areas
they don't do any other services in Shropshire the Ludlow garage closed a number of years ago
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Will not just that one do not know what Shropshire services whittles have in bridgnorth and Ludlow areas
they don't do any other services in Shropshire the Ludlow garage closed a number of years ago
that quite a supprize to me knew Ludlow had closed but thought some where still running around there
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
The 2A/2C as well surely?
Quote from: Matt on April 21, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
The 2A/2C as well surely?
Yes mate like he said any service
Quote from: Matt on April 21, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
The 2A/2C as well surely?
do not know what made me forget the 2a/2c as I use those quite a bit
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:25:22 AM
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Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Sam,
Do you know whether Whittles route 1 is tendered or is it commercial?
As far as I am aware Winston it is fully commercial.
Oh right, I wrongly assumed it was tendered, therefore Diamond are launching a competing service from 2nd June on the 1 then.
Yes, up until 2011 First and Diamond competed on the 1, as they also did on the 10, 5 and 5A.
Thanks for that, I forgot that Diamond were previously competing in KR. Didn't that date back to Pete's Travel/People's Express days rather than Diamond Bus (Birmingham Coach Company)?
If it was 2011 it would have been Red Diamond as Red Diamond was branded in 2008 if my memory serves me rightly.
should read first & whittles completing with each other pete's travel BCC diamond did run on some tendred route but first or whittles never ran on them at the same time. not got time go in to detail now will do latter
I'm sorry, that typo came out of nowhere! It should of course read First and Whittle.
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Yes. Have seen them all in service over the past two weeks, particularly 169 frequently.
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:37:17 PM
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 08:38:36 PM
I've lost track of what's been withdrawn and what hasn't. Are 167, 168 and 169 still in service?
Matt 167/68/69 are all still in service
the ones that have been replaced are 162/163/165/166, and 161 went a long time ago which is in service at EYMS as are 162/163 all at hull
165/166 are in a yard at the back of hull depot
162 (W462 UAG) and 166 (W466 UAG) are now "SORN Not Due". I did a DVLA enquiry last week
will according to whittles own fleet list and uk bus fleet list The fleet number for W 462 UAG is 165 not 162
Oh christ yh bloody Whittle fleet numbers confusing me
Will if the fleet numbers I put are confusing you take a look at the whittles website and look at the fleet information section it is a bit out of date
here is the link will http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/fleet.asp
Matt - nope no coaches have been in use on any route for about 18 months or more sadly I love it when they use a coach on the 125 route but as I say it hasn't been for a good while
Don't say things you can't be sure of Will. RCE 510 and others were used on the 3 route more than once last October, due to vehicle shortages.
Quote from: Will on April 20, 2014, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 20, 2014, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Will on April 19, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
If Y213 and 214 HWJ had still been with Whittle they both would of had they're 13th birthday today
Both registered: 19/04/2001
Shame they had to leave but I guess once the "JAT" buses came down from Yorkshire the HWJ Darts were surpless to requirements
will diamond have Y 211 HWJ and Y 212 HWJ do not know if the are still in service
Yes I believe they are and both vehicles are based in Tividale or LAC I think wouldn't it be "deja-vu" if they were ever transferred to Kidderminster..
They were in fact registered to Bus Eirean in 1999 then registered in the UK 2001. They still are that old, just not in Worcestershire!
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
whats the price of a day return on 125 or 192 planning to down soon thanks
It depends on where to and from, and of course your age. Bear in mind that there has also been a considerable fare increase this year. I know that a 16-19 Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70 and it's a little over £5 adult I think. Whittle's single/return fares are so expensive it's usually better to buy a day ticket. For example, the 16-19 Halesowen - Hagley return is £3.80 (only 14 mins each way) but the entire Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70.
Whittle don't (or at least never used to) do 16-19 single and return fares. That sound to me like the adult price. An adult 192+WF day ticket is around £5 so the return still represents a saving.
Whittle fares are cheap, not expensive. You should visit Cornwall, a return for a ten minute journey from Par to Fowey on the 524/5 is £4.50
They need to try and make a profit somewhere...
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
Any, particularly the 101, 125 and 192.
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Will not just that one do not know what Shropshire services whittles have in bridgnorth and Ludlow areas
they don't do any other services in Shropshire the Ludlow garage closed a number of years ago
that quite a supprize to me knew Ludlow had closed but thought some where still running around there
Whittle appear to have lost a lot of the old Ludlow routes around 2010.
The only "Shropshire" services now are the 101 and 125.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 21, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 20, 2014, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
whats the price of a day return on 125 or 192 planning to down soon thanks
It depends on where to and from, and of course your age. Bear in mind that there has also been a considerable fare increase this year. I know that a 16-19 Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70 and it's a little over £5 adult I think. Whittle's single/return fares are so expensive it's usually better to buy a day ticket. For example, the 16-19 Halesowen - Hagley return is £3.80 (only 14 mins each way) but the entire Wyre Forest + 192 day ticket is £3.70.
Whittle don't (or at least never used to) do 16-19 single and return fares. That sound to me like the adult price. An adult 192+WF day ticket is around £5 so the return still represents a saving.
Whittle fares are cheap, not expensive. You should visit Cornwall, a return for a ten minute journey from Par to Fowey on the 524/5 is £4.50
They need to try and make a profit somewhere...
I thought, when the driver showed me on the ticket machine, it was a 16-19 price. If not I stand corrected. That does make more sense.
The single/return fares aren't exactly cheap, although I agree the day/week tickets are good value, especially the Wyre Forest ones.
I know all about expensive ticketing - try Stagecoach in Cumbria, when I was up there last year I had to cough up £5 for a child Dayrider only valid on services 77/A and 78 (both only a few journeys per day), although it was more than worth it. If you want an adult Dayrider for Cumbria & Lancashire it'll set you back over £10.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 21, 2014, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 10:50:51 AM
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Quote from: Will on April 21, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Quote from: bowler on April 21, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
Quote from: Nathan on April 20, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 20, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
what service are the envrios that whittle have found on
There was one on the 192. I have seen them on 125's/192's but couldn't comment on any other Whittles routes if the have E200's or not
they can be found on anyone . of whittles services 1,3,7,125,15,192,580 and Shropshire services do not know the service numbers
Cedric, do you mean the 101 (Bridgnorth Town Circular) by any chance?
Will not just that one do not know what Shropshire services whittles have in bridgnorth and Ludlow areas
they don't do any other services in Shropshire the Ludlow garage closed a number of years ago
that quite a supprize to me knew Ludlow had closed but thought some where still running around there
Whittle appear to have lost a lot of the old Ludlow routes around 2010.
The only "Shropshire" services now are the 101 and 125.
Aye and both of those are subsids of Shropshire Council
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Matt what's the ride like on 173 not been on that type yet
Quote from: bowler on April 22, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Matt what's the ride like on 173 not been on that type yet
Nice and smooth. ZF gearbox, I think it was 5 speed although I could be mistaken. I'm sure I counted 5 gears though. Cannot comment on performance as the driver was in no rush.
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
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Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Matt what's the ride like on 173 not been on that type yet
Nice and smooth. ZF gearbox, I think it was 5 speed although I could be mistaken. I'm sure I counted 5 gears though. Cannot comment on performance as the driver was in no rush.
thanks for that matt ,
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Just by chance, I passed the very same service on the bus to work on its way to Stourport around 10:50.
Appears the ALX300s are elsewhere today - the 3 was worked by 164, 167 and 170.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 22, 2014, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 22, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
173 is on the 192 I'm currently sat at the back of it on the 10:10 ex Halesowen. Very nice bus.
Just by chance, I passed the very same service on the bus to work on its way to Stourport around 10:50.
Appears the ALX300s are elsewhere today - the 3 was worked by 164, 167 and 170.
And YX57 BXC was today in service on the 101 in Bridgnorth
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
Quote from: Will on April 23, 2014, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
My post above should have read 19 buses in total, not 20.
154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 164, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176 and 309.
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Will on April 23, 2014, 06:59:35 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:55:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 23, 2014, 06:36:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM
Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
No Sam not at all the last 101 service is about 19:09 and once it's done that the bus goes out of service and returns to Kidderminster
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Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
No Sam not at all the last 101 service is about 19:09 and once it's done that the bus goes out of service and returns to Kidderminster
I thought that was what would happen, it just seems a waste of fuel/driver hours not to interwork it with the 125, i.e provide an additional service to Bridgnorth in the morning and an additional one back to Kidderminster in the evening... I suppose running empty along the A442 would save time.
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Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
No Sam not at all the last 101 service is about 19:09 and once it's done that the bus goes out of service and returns to Kidderminster
I thought that was what would happen, it just seems a waste of fuel/driver hours not to interwork it with the 125, i.e provide an additional service to Bridgnorth in the morning and an additional one back to Kidderminster in the evening... I suppose running empty along the A442 would save time.
It does mate yes like I say it leaves Bridgnorth at about 19:15/20 and goes along the A442 and gets into Kidder at about 19:30/35
To answer my own question, 309 is on the 3 today, on the hh55 ex Kidder I think.
Quote from: Matt on April 24, 2014, 09:20:11 AM
To answer my own question, 309 is on the 3 today, on the hh55 ex Kidder I think.
I apologise if it has been said but is 309 in Whittles Livery or still in EYMS livery?
Thanks :)
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To answer my own question, 309 is on the 3 today, on the hh55 ex Kidder I think.
I apologise if it has been said but is 309 in Whittles Livery or still in EYMS livery?
Thanks :)
EYMS. I think it is still unknown whether it is to be painted at all.
164 just been swapped for 159 on the 1 for the 16:50 departure (grrr). Is this normal?
Edit - looks like it's 164 back for the 17:30.
Been on the 15 today anyway having a rabbit to the driver really nice chap tbh anyway I mentions 309 (W409 JAT) and he say's "oh they was on about respraying it into our colours but it ain't happened" thus confirming it's staying with Whittle's.
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Been on the 15 today anyway having a rabbit to the driver really nice chap tbh anyway I mentions 309 (W409 JAT) and he say's "oh they was on about respraying it into our colours but it ain't happened" thus confirming it's staying with Whittle's.
still official classed as a loan to whittles from hull depot. of eyms Will if it is not being painted into to whittles livery why do you think that is confirming it is staying down here , look how long 418 was down here in EYMS colours and that went back
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Quote from: Will on April 25, 2014, 04:28:44 PM
Been on the 15 today anyway having a rabbit to the driver really nice chap tbh anyway I mentions 309 (W409 JAT) and he say's "oh they was on about respraying it into our colours but it ain't happened" thus confirming it's staying with Whittle's.
still official classed as a loan to whittles from hull depot. of eyms Will if it is not being painted into to whittles livery why do you think that is confirming it is staying down here , look how long 418 was down here in EYMS colours and that went back
Because he works for them so he would know!..
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Been on the 15 today anyway having a rabbit to the driver really nice chap tbh anyway I mentions 309 (W409 JAT) and he say's "oh they was on about respraying it into our colours but it ain't happened" thus confirming it's staying with Whittle's.
still official classed as a loan to whittles from hull depot. of eyms Will if it is not being painted into to whittles livery why do you think that is confirming it is staying down here , look how long 418 was down here in EYMS colours and that went back
Because he works for them so he would know!..
Will as others (of a certain age) on here might agree with me on this . driver's do not know every thing that is going on, and some will tell you anything I have learnt this over my 60+ years.
here is 309 with whittles everyone is talking about https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14000923126/
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Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
No Sam not at all the last 101 service is about 19:09 and once it's done that the bus goes out of service and returns to Kidderminster
I thought that was what would happen, it just seems a waste of fuel/driver hours not to interwork it with the 125, i.e provide an additional service to Bridgnorth in the morning and an additional one back to Kidderminster in the evening... I suppose running empty along the A442 would save time.
It does mate yes like I say it leaves Bridgnorth at about 19:15/20 and goes along the A442 and gets into Kidder at about 19:30/35
Just by chance on Friday I was on the last 3 from Kidderminster at around 19:50 and what follows us from the Worcester Road island to Foley Park? YX56 HVG still showing 101 Bridgnorth! For me to have never seen it before and see it just after our discussion on here is quite a coincidence!!
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Overheard conversation today suggests 6 ALX300s are to come to Whittle in total eventually with "5 already here" so perhaps 309 is staying after all??
309 not out today unless it was on the 101
Yes but the PVR of Whittle services is about 14/15 and they have 20 buses, so it could have been hiding in Foley Park...
Probably was, I was just adding that point out of interest.
Two Volvos on the 125 (173/176) and one on the 192 (174).
nope I saw YX57 BXC on the 101 today it looks to me like they use BXC as the assigned "101" bus as I've seen it in Bridgnorth for the past 2 / 3 days
No it changes every week, BXC was around Kidderminster last week.
The bus for the 101 appears to be outstationed somewhere though, I have always wondered whether it is based at Arriva's Bridgnorth garage on a weekly basis...
No Sam not at all the last 101 service is about 19:09 and once it's done that the bus goes out of service and returns to Kidderminster
I thought that was what would happen, it just seems a waste of fuel/driver hours not to interwork it with the 125, i.e provide an additional service to Bridgnorth in the morning and an additional one back to Kidderminster in the evening... I suppose running empty along the A442 would save time.
It does mate yes like I say it leaves Bridgnorth at about 19:15/20 and goes along the A442 and gets into Kidder at about 19:30/35
Just by chance on Friday I was on the last 3 from Kidderminster at around 19:50 and what follows us from the Worcester Road island to Foley Park? YX56 HVG still showing 101 Bridgnorth! For me to have never seen it before and see it just after our discussion on here is quite a coincidence!!
Well I did tell you :P it's odd that the driver didn't change the destination blind before he left Bridgnorth usually he changes it to either "Out of Service" or I've seen the hannover displays read on occasions "Whittle Coach & Bus"
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
will it did leave as it was seen in hull over the pits in the depot so maybe it just went for work to be done on it and it is now back
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
will it did leave as it was seen in hull over the pits in the depot so maybe it just went for work to be done on it and it is now back
It definitely left. Is still in full Whittle livery but sounds a lot more knackered than before!
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
309 was on the 192 yesterday
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
309 was on the 192 yesterday
Best news ever!, I wrote a question to @EYMSEnthusiasts on Twitter last night asking what was going on with 163 (Y214 HWJ) anyway I had a direct responce from them this morning and it turns out 163 is back for good! or as they put it to me on Twitter "has returned to Whittles for the forseeable" which makes me wonder why did it go in the first place? okay so I know that social media isn't always kosher [so before Cedric, Sam (etc) start getting on your high horse] but at the end of the day this info has come from EYMS themselves so I think we can say that its legit but I could still ring Andy Breakwell if necessary..
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
309 was on the 192 yesterday
Best news ever!, I wrote a question to @EYMSEnthusiasts on Twitter last night asking what was going on with 163 (Y214 HWJ) anyway I had a direct responce from them this morning and it turns out 163 is back for good! or as they put it to me on Twitter "has returned to Whittles for the forseeable" which makes me wonder why did it go in the first place? okay so I know that social media isn't always kosher [so before Cedric, Sam (etc) start getting on your high horse] but at the end of the day this info has come from EYMS themselves so I think we can say that its legit but I could still ring Andy Breakwell if necessary..
WILL
first of all the information I have posted before has been from that soruce and when I said about the official fleet list that is on Eyms own website so that is from EYMS themselves which must be right . and I take foreseeable as it is on loan. and I think you owe myself and sam
a apology for the comments you made about us.
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 07:22:50 PM
Which routes do they operate in stourport
they run there number 3 the 15 and 192 that I know of
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Which routes do they operate in stourport
3 - Kidder to Areley Kings via Stourport
15 (and S15) - Kidder to Bewdley via Stourport
192 - Stourport to Halesowen via Kidder
link to EYMS official allocation listed dated 2/5/14 . http://www.eyms.co.uk/content/enthusiasts/newsitem.aspx?id=1079
shows info on ex whittles 163
The 3 was fully ALX300 this evening - 174, 176 and 309.
Quote from: StourportSam on May 06, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
The 3 was fully ALX300 this evening - 174, 176 and 309.
Any sign of 175? I've still never seen it
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The 3 was fully ALX300 this evening - 174, 176 and 309.
Any sign of 175? I've still never seen it
I think I have seen it, can't be sure. It could well be that 163 is here until 175 arrives.
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The 3 was fully ALX300 this evening - 174, 176 and 309.
Any sign of 175? I've still never seen it
I think I have seen it, can't be sure. It could well be that 163 is here until 175 arrives.
the first two I saw was 174 and 175 when they first started coming down I have not seen 176. maybe something is away for work to be done
or they need extra buses
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The 3 was fully ALX300 this evening - 174, 176 and 309.
Any sign of 175? I've still never seen it
I think I have seen it, can't be sure. It could well be that 163 is here until 175 arrives.
the first two I saw was 174 and 175 when they first started coming down I have not seen 176. maybe something is away for work to be done
or they need extra buses
175 is in Kidderminster it happened to pull into the bus station this afternoon as I was stood there and 163 is still here I smiled to myself and said "it's like it never left" and that unsurprisingly was on the 3
Still no sign of 160 anyone?
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
Not necessarily sometimes they don't use certain buses and the ones they don't use will be parked up in the yard for example W409 JAT was parked up out of use a few weeks back in there yard leading me, Cedric and Sam into thinking it had gone back to Hull even though it hadn't
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
Not necessarily sometimes they don't use certain buses and the ones they don't use will be parked up in the yard for example W409 JAT was parked up out of use a few weeks back in there yard leading me, Cedric and Sam into thinking it had gone back to Hull even though it hadn't
Exactly, missing from service
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
Not necessarily sometimes they don't use certain buses and the ones they don't use will be parked up in the yard for example W409 JAT was parked up out of use a few weeks back in there yard leading me, Cedric and Sam into thinking it had gone back to Hull even though it hadn't
Exactly, missing from service
Yhyh but that doesn't mean "dissapeared"
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
Not necessarily sometimes they don't use certain buses and the ones they don't use will be parked up in the yard for example W409 JAT was parked up out of use a few weeks back in there yard leading me, Cedric and Sam into thinking it had gone back to Hull even though it hadn't
Exactly, missing from service
Yhyh but that doesn't mean "dissapeared"
Which is why I didn't use the word "disappeared"
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Still no sign of 160 anyone?
Yes mate it was on the 2C this afternoon I saw it
Oh right. YX56 HVJ? Was missing for a while
Not necessarily sometimes they don't use certain buses and the ones they don't use will be parked up in the yard for example W409 JAT was parked up out of use a few weeks back in there yard leading me, Cedric and Sam into thinking it had gone back to Hull even though it hadn't
Exactly, missing from service
Yhyh but that doesn't mean "dissapeared"
Which is why I didn't use the word "disappeared"
Now now, settle down!!
It could have just been having an MOT or longer term repairs.
Appears to have been some issues this week - a lot of buses parked up in Kidderminster bus station and a number of service 3s not turning up.
Quote from: StourportSam on May 16, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
Appears to have been some issues this week - a lot of buses parked up in Kidderminster bus station and a number of service 3s not turning up.
Oh dear... I thought the quality would have increased with these Volvo ALX300's. Lucky Diamond are upping the frequency then...!
I was in stoup ort the other day & saw quite a few 3 ' s ( both diamond & whistles running in pairs in both directions, then large gaps. Presumably there's a hold up somewhere along the route
Quote from: Steveminor on May 17, 2014, 05:25:15 AM
I was in stoup ort the other day & saw quite a few 3 ' s ( both diamond & whistles running in pairs in both directions, then large gaps. Presumably there's a hold up somewhere along the route
Traffic lights were in use for roadworks on the Stourport Road through Foley Park at the start of this week, causing long tailbacks and significant delays. Even though the timetables space them apart now, Whittle and Diamond buses still seem to bunch up. Obvious really - if one bus picks up all the passengers and/or hits traffic the one behind will catch up quickly (and empty as well).
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Appears to have been some issues this week - a lot of buses parked up in Kidderminster bus station and a number of service 3s not turning up.
Oh dear... I thought the quality would have increased with these Volvo ALX300's. Lucky Diamond are upping the frequency then...!
@DiamondDart The quality has most certainly improved -- in fact Whittle seem to have adopted a policy of only using MPDs on the 2A and 15. Indeed, I recently have seen quite a few Whittle 3s very well loaded indeed at different times of day, would say at least 30+ passengers on board.
I got the impression the issues were caused by problems with driver availability - the buses were all in Kidderminster bus station but with no drivers! Indeed yesterday I saw W694 EOP with Bewdley - 2AC on the blinds which made me think they were running one service on hour to cover both routes. At least this can be done for those routes without missing any stops...
@StourportSamDiamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
Levante 85 FJIIGJY-545 To London
Levante 87 FJIIGKA-409 To London
(Spotted these at digbeth coach station)
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@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
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@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I waited for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
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@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduced revenues
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
they are already a shadow of there former selves. you will be to young to remember them change virtual all the fleet every year or two. they used to have a contract to supply workers transport to and from the raf 25mu sites around the hartlbury area . you could see around thirty or more coaches lined up on the Worcester rd from where the island is now down the road while workers changed to the right coach to take them home. and they had a subsidiary company M&M coaches of cleobury Mortimer who had a depot up the franhce rd .
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Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
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Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usually while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittles will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittles can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14. things might get worse with diamond starting to run on the 1 even though a slightly different route on the outward run and running more buses on the 3 and change the route between stourport and Arley kings to a circular one. which cut out them following each other there
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Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
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Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Driffield is closing due to the sheer loss of tendered work due to local council cuts.
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Stastically if EYMS did decide to axe Whittle's all together who would have the work (i.e. The routes) answers on a postcard to (Diamond Bus Company Ltd) and also as I think about it they [Diamond] would also gain the fleet which knowing Simon Dunn (albeit not personally) would probably withdraw most of them! & the coaches Whittle own well they would more than likely be moved to Long Acre (aka "Flights Hallmark") I really hope it doesn't come to that but I guess if it does we are powerless as is everybody else
why can't Whittle & Diamond work together rather than in compete with each other this way hopefully more people will used the buses in
Kidderminster ie the new 1 have it every hour by both making it a 30 min service
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usually while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Stastically if EYMS did decide to axe Whittle's all together who would have the work (i.e. The routes) answers on a postcard to (Diamond Bus Company Ltd) and also as I think about it they [Diamond] would also gain the fleet which knowing Simon Dunn (albeit not personally) would probably withdraw most of them! & the coaches Whittle own well they would more than likely be moved to Long Acre (aka "Flights Hallmark") I really hope it doesn't come to that but I guess if it does we are powerless as is everybody else
some of whittles routes are ones listed on the WCC proposed subsides cuts list for September so we will have to wait and see what happens then. know some of diamonds are on there as well.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 18, 2014, 10:28:30 PM
why can't Whittle & Diamond work together rather than in compete with each other this way hopefully more people will used the buses in
Kidderminster ie the new 1 have it every hour by both making it a 30 min service
one reason at this time they do not actcept each other tickets
another they run on same routes. exactly the same was happing in the first's days
for example whittles started to run on the 10 and had there time table set to give a 15mins service with first 10 but first altered there time table to run about 5 mins before whittles (the timetable changed twice by both companies) and whittles puled off after a while as the where not making enough on the route
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Stastically if EYMS did decide to axe Whittle's all together who would have the work (i.e. The routes) answers on a postcard to (Diamond Bus Company Ltd) and also as I think about it they [Diamond] would also gain the fleet which knowing Simon Dunn (albeit not personally) would probably withdraw most of them! & the coaches Whittle own well they would more than likely be moved to Long Acre (aka "Flights Hallmark") I really hope it doesn't come to that but I guess if it does we are powerless as is everybody else
If EYMS were to ever to put Whittle's up for sale, I doubt Diamond could buy them as that would give them a monopoly on Kidderminster town services, similar to the situation in Redditch where the takeover of First's operations were investigated by he Oft. If EYMS were to ever pull the plug on Whittle's which is unlikely, as it would cost them more to shut the business down than to sell it as going concern for a nominal amount. Diamond could win the WCC tenders currently held by Whittle's and are increasing competition with them, if Whittle's was ever shut down, no doubt Rotala would be more likely to draft in spares buses form elsewhere in the group
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Stastically if EYMS did decide to axe Whittle's all together who would have the work (i.e. The routes) answers on a postcard to (Diamond Bus Company Ltd) and also as I think about it they [Diamond] would also gain the fleet which knowing Simon Dunn (albeit not personally) would probably withdraw most of them! & the coaches Whittle own well they would more than likely be moved to Long Acre (aka "Flights Hallmark") I really hope it doesn't come to that but I guess if it does we are powerless as is everybody else
If EYMS were to ever to put Whittle's up for sale, I doubt Diamond could buy them as that would give them a monopoly on Kidderminster town services, similar to the situation in Redditch where the takeover of First's operations were investigated by he Oft. If EYMS were to ever pull the plug on Whittle's which is unlikely, as it would cost them more to shut the business down than to sell it as going concern for a nominal amount. Diamond could win the WCC tenders currently held by Whittle's and are increasing competition with them, if Whittle's was ever shut down, no doubt Rotala would be more likely to draft in spares buses form elsewhere in the group
Is Kidderminster in the same boat as Cannock where it can realistically only support one operator?
Quote from: Westy on May 18, 2014, 11:00:50 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 18, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Will on May 18, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: bowler on May 18, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on May 18, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 18, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
@StourportSam
Diamond are still busier on the 3 though still?
Arguably that is worse and could get them in trouble. They seem to have been driver issues for a while now...
I'd say its about the same at the moment. Until this week just gone Whittle were being more reliable than Diamond, with nicer buses for passengers too. Diamond seem determined at the moment to flood the 3 with MPDs which isn't helping matters. Full darts have been making appearances though. Whittle 3s in comparison have been mostly ALX300s and 163 with Enviro 200s and 170/154/164/155/156 also making appearances.
I wait for the last 2a to bewdley last night it did not show (good job for the last diamond 292 of the day) usualy while waiting there for the 2a there are several other whittles buses leave like 1,3, 7, and 15 leave but only saw a 1 leave, and the 125 was leaving bus station as I got there
, something does not seam right, several whittles drivers are ex diamond drivers
It makes me wonder how much longer Whittle's will survive because with what I've read (above) it really doesn't put them in a very good light I'm afraid now should the worst ever happen (not saying it will or even could) that is [they collapse] then it really will be a heartbreaking day for all involved
Whittle's can't collapse, they have a parent company i.e. EYMS Group. They could however be closed down or sold off by EYMS if losses were to increase due to driver shortages / missing journeys & reduce revenues
which is why EYMS sold Finglands (I think) and they are closing a depot of there own at driffield on the 2/6/14.
Stastically if EYMS did decide to axe Whittle's all together who would have the work (i.e. The routes) answers on a postcard to (Diamond Bus Company Ltd) and also as I think about it they [Diamond] would also gain the fleet which knowing Simon Dunn (albeit not personally) would probably withdraw most of them! & the coaches Whittle own well they would more than likely be moved to Long Acre (aka "Flights Hallmark") I really hope it doesn't come to that but I guess if it does we are powerless as is everybody else
If EYMS were to ever to put Whittle's up for sale, I doubt Diamond could buy them as that would give them a monopoly on Kidderminster town services, similar to the situation in Redditch where the takeover of First's operations were investigated by he Oft. If EYMS were to ever pull the plug on Whittle's which is unlikely, as it would cost them more to shut the business down than to sell it as going concern for a nominal amount. Diamond could win the WCC tenders currently held by Whittle's and are increasing competition with them, if Whittle's was ever shut down, no doubt Rotala would be more likely to draft in spares buses form elsewhere in the group
Is Kidderminster in the same boat as Cannock where it can realistically only support one operator?
before EYMS purchased whittles and before first and MRW, whittles only had the the 125 and a few market day services in Kidderminster area
they where just a coach operator . there was only one bus operator in Kidderminster that was Bmmo the good old friendly midland red
roadworks on the main Kidderminster stourport road have now finished so the 3 delays should less now (the same goes for the diamond 3 and x3), while I was in Kidderminster today took a look in the bus station and there was only one whittles bus parked there. and at that time of day there are usually 3 or 4 parked in the middle
Quote from: bowler on May 19, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
roadworks on the main Kidderminster stourport road have now finished so the 3 delays should less now
They've been set back up this morning and are still in operation, have been at work all day so not witnessed myself but gather they have caused some delays.
Just to update, 309 W409 JAT is still here and in East Yorkshire livery.
As an observation, 173, 174 and 176 all seem to be in use more regularly than 175.
Quote from: StourportSam on May 23, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
Just to update, 309 W409 JAT is still here and in East Yorkshire livery.
As an observation, 173, 174 and 176 all seem to be in use more regularly than 175.
Yes mate I saw it today it makes wonder if they will eventually get it resprayed as for 175 I reckon they use it more as a spare "staff" vehicle tbh
Quote from: Westy on May 18, 2014, 11:00:50 PM
Is Kidderminster in the same boat as Cannock where it can realistically only support one operator?
I would have said so.
This photo (not mine) shows the 2AC combination I described the other day...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/119887357@N03/14020588700/in/photolist-nmXbxW-nmX9UA-nmXeuN-nDdUsU-nFcwxn-nF6smt-nCW4Ez-nCVaS9-nmre8f-nAGPGs-nmf3qn-nmeKVQ-nmecgb-nmeceN-nAEW25-nAEW1J-nm2mga-nkP24g-nC5fNY-nC1qwc-nC1wsF-nE5sr6-nE5xGM-nC5i87-nCi2UY-nkNCw1-nkNMYj-nCifUB-nkNSrz-nkNF5D-nC1xjF-nE4422-nC1LvS-nCbntb-nkFj4d-nkFj1h-nA6FxG-nC6gW9-nBMAYv-nku6tY-nzFRJw-nBJCV6-nkf4Qn-nBJphy-nkeQsx-nzG1Yd-nkeo6V-nzEZiG-nkakDX-nBDs3o-nzzfJo
I think that Diamond could buy Whittles at some point. The OFT report on Redditch naturally found that there was a substantial lessening of competition, but at the end said that because the market in Redditch was worth only £2-3m, it was below the £3m point where a reference to the Competition Commission was normally justified. Why they did all the work analysing the different routes in Redditch is a mystery when they must have known that at the start. http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/mergers_ea02/2013/Diamond_Bus.pdf
As the Kidderminster market is smaller than Redditch, there's a deal to be done. I can't see what's in it at present for EYMS, as Whittle is isolated.
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163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
I was hoping to find 163 on the 3 this afternoon, but alas, three Volvos, 174/5/6. Is it still "oot and aboot"?
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Yes, I know I read it on Twitter plus I've been told by EYMS via Twitter that it's with Whittle for the forseeable
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
Incorrect Sam! It's been with Whittle's (since February 2005)
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
They both went Connex in 2004 from To EYMS fleet numbers 334/335. Diamond have/had Y211 HWJ Y212 HWJ from same batch
Quote from: Will on June 03, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
Incorrect Sam! It's been with Whittle's (since February 2005)
I knew it was some time around then. That was from memory whereas presumably you've checked Tony's fleetlist!
Quote from: StourportSam on June 04, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: Will on June 03, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
Incorrect Sam! It's been with Whittle's (since February 2005)
I knew it was some time around then. That was from memory whereas presumably you've checked Tony's fleetlist!
Yus :P
Quote from: bowler on June 03, 2014, 08:12:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
They both went Connex in 2004 from To EYMS fleet numbers 334/335. Diamond have/had Y211 HWJ Y212 HWJ from same batch
I can find no evidence of Y214 HWJ ever operating for EYMS? It went to Central Parking after leaving Connex. Then to Whittle?
Rotala still own Y211/2 HWJ.
Quote from: StourportSam on June 04, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 03, 2014, 08:12:02 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on June 03, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Quote from: bowler on June 01, 2014, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 30, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: bowler on April 29, 2014, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Will on April 29, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on April 29, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
163 Y214 HWJ on the 3 today.
:O Wtf I thought that had gone :O
And me Will as it is down on EYMS official fleetlist as allocated to hull, Might just be back while something has gone up there for some work done ,
perhaps 309 has gone up there for a repaint you.
Maybe Cedric but maybe it never left and maybe it ain't going to...
Will, 163 did originally leave Whittle's for a while at least, it is pictured here in Hull on 14.4.14
https://www.flickr.com/photos/78232101@N08/13857920784/in/pool-1045857@N21/
Winston I am glad you posted the picture of 163 in hull showing that it did go up there post edited due to error on eyms website which
I asked them if it was right or wrong the 163 had gone back as there site was showing and had a reply ,and there site amend to show 163 still here on loan
162 (Y213 HWJ) has definitely gone back to Hull so there's no reason why 163 (Y214 HWJ) won't eventually go [again] either.
Perhaps it was for sentimental reasons - 162 was an EYMS vehicle straight after purchase from Connex whereas 163 was always Whittle since (I think) about 2007.
They both went Connex in 2004 from To EYMS fleet numbers 334/335. Diamond have/had Y211 HWJ Y212 HWJ from same batch
I can find no evidence of Y214 HWJ ever operating for EYMS? It went to Central Parking after leaving Connex. Then to Whittle?
Rotala still own Y211/2 HWJ.
I think you could be right mate I've just looked on Google and I can only find Y213 HWJ in East Yorkshire colours so perhaps Y214 never was
I believe the history of Y214HWJ to be
New to Bus Eirann 12/99 registered 99-D-80584
to Connex Bus 4/01, returned to owner Dawson Rentals 10/03
to Hackney Community Transport, Hackney 11/03
to Central Parking, Heathrow 8/04
acquired by Whittle 2/05
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
I believe the history of Y214HWJ to be
New to Bus Eirann 12/99 registered 99-D-80584
to Connex Bus 4/01, returned to owner Dawson Rentals 10/03
to Hackney Community Transport, Hackney 11/03
to Central Parking, Heathrow 8/04
acquired by Whittle 2/05
So that means EYMS never owned it at any point
Quote from: Will on June 04, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
I believe the history of Y214HWJ to be
New to Bus Eirann 12/99 registered 99-D-80584
to Connex Bus 4/01, returned to owner Dawson Rentals 10/03
to Hackney Community Transport, Hackney 11/03
to Central Parking, Heathrow 8/04
acquired by Whittle 2/05
So that means EYMS never owned it at any point
Well technically they own it now as they own Whittle Coach & Bus Ltd.
As an aside, Y214 HWJ was Spare K in the bus station today.
Is 163 a good bus
@Sam? I'm hoping it sticks around long enough for me to have another go at finding it! Still not seen it since it "reappeared".
Quote from: Matt on June 04, 2014, 11:16:42 PM
Is 163 a good bus @Sam? I'm hoping it sticks around long enough for me to have another go at finding it! Still not seen it since it "reappeared".
Well it was on the 1 on Tuesday afternoon and the 3 on either Saturday or Monday but can't remember which and yh mate it runs quite well tbf
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
I believe the history of Y214HWJ to be
New to Bus Eirann 12/99 registered 99-D-80584
to Connex Bus 4/01, returned to owner Dawson Rentals 10/03
to Hackney Community Transport, Hackney 11/03
to Central Parking, Heathrow 8/04
acquired by Whittle 2/05
sorry tony you and other are correct I was wrong here is answer to a tweet I sent
Y213 HWJ was EY 334, but 1st EY 335 was YX04 JVW now Whittles 170 and 2nd EY 335 was YX03 MWG now Whittles 154. (Y214 never at EY)
copy of fb post on my timeline
Whittle Coach & Bus's status.
As many of you will be aware there has been a lot of concern over the future of subsidised bus services in Worcestershire and in particular for our customers, here in the Wyre Forest area. The Council agreed to a funding cut rather than a total funding withdrawal at the last cabinet meeting which means that many services will not be lost. There may well be changes though to look out for as operators have been in discussions with the Council over changes that will help maintain services with a reduced subsidy. We will be in a position very soon to announce changes to Whittles services which we will publicise on here and in the local media.
Quote from: bowler on June 20, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
copy of fb post on my timeline
Whittle Coach & Bus's status.
As many of you will be aware there has been a lot of concern over the future of subsidised bus services in Worcestershire and in particular for our customers, here in the Wyre Forest area. The Council agreed to a funding cut rather than a total funding withdrawal at the last cabinet meeting which means that many services will not be lost. There may well be changes though to look out for as operators have been in discussions with the Council over changes that will help maintain services with a reduced subsidy. We will be in a position very soon to announce changes to Whittles services which we will publicise on here and in the local media.
Yes, I saw that too it makes me wonder if they will return the 192 to Diamond if they did it would be marvellous because that will be one of them thats funded and also it may well return to B/Ham (via Halesowen) which is as it used to be
Why would it return to Birmingham when that would cost more in times of budget cuts??!!
Every day 192 operation qas in question a while back so even to maintain it as it currently is people should count themselves very lucky!
found on twitter some new of the 192
http://m.halesowennews.co.uk/news/11300289.192_bus_service_saved_but_will_be_rerouted_to_make_up_for_axed_197_route/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
For those interested and don't already know, I have just seen an advert that 'On the Yorkshire buses' starts next Friday at 8pm on Channel Five.
Sam or Will have you seen 309 on the road I have not seen it myself, wondered may be it was having a repaint
Quote from: bowler on July 08, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
Sam or Will have you seen 309 on the road I have not seen it myself, wondered may be it was having a repaint
Nope not seen myself either so in that respect it could well of "gone home"...
Quote from: Will on July 08, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 08, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
Sam or Will have you seen 309 on the road I have not seen it myself, wondered may be it was having a repaint
Nope not seen myself either so in that respect it could well of "gone home"...
309 was operating the 3 today, still in EY livery...!
Quote from: StourportSam on July 08, 2014, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: Will on July 08, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 08, 2014, 09:08:33 PM
Sam or Will have you seen 309 on the road I have not seen it myself, wondered may be it was having a repaint
Nope not seen myself either so in that respect it could well of "gone home"...
309 was operating the 3 today, still in EY livery...!
Thanks Sam for that
51. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
52. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
53. PD1030553/81 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Sion Hill and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 834 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
54. PD1030553/82 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Marlpool Lane and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 835 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
55. PD1030553/84 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Areley Kings given service number 3 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
56. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Chaddesley Corbett
Finish Point: Wolverley CE School
Via: Mustow Green, Comberton Hill
Service Number: 833
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: School days
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
51. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
52. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
53. PD1030553/81 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Sion Hill and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 834 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
54. PD1030553/82 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Marlpool Lane and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 835 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
55. PD1030553/84 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Areley Kings given service number 3 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
56. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Chaddesley Corbett
Finish Point: Wolverley CE School
Via: Mustow Green, Comberton Hill
Service Number: 833
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: School days
Interesting they are withdrawing from the 3 EDIT: and the 1 (Thanks Winston for the info). Not the first time is it either, seeing as the 3 was reintroduced from October 2012 ish if I'm right? Clearly Diamond's increased frequency has had an impact, as has their starting the 1 service.
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
51. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
52. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
53. PD1030553/81 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Sion Hill and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 834 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
54. PD1030553/82 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Marlpool Lane and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 835 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
55. PD1030553/84 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Areley Kings given service number 3 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
56. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Chaddesley Corbett
Finish Point: Wolverley CE School
Via: Mustow Green, Comberton Hill
Service Number: 833
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: School days
Oh my good god! They have given up the fight with the 3 and the 1 :O I never saw that happening mindshew I guess they can't compete with Diamond now they have upped they're frequency oh well fair play to Diamond thats all I can say they fought and they've won, Go Diamond!
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
I reckon by end of August early September they will be up for sale don't think EYMS will continue bothering with them now harsh as it sounds
I still think Whittle's tickets in the Wyre Forest are too cheap. If their fares had been a bit higher for a considerable length of time they may have brought in enough revenue to keep the operation of the now withdrawn services sustainable, especially as the quality of their vehicles is far superior to that of the other main operator in the area.
So what will be done with the vehicles freed from the 1 & 3? Increased frequency on the 2A/2C?
Quote from: Will on July 11, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
51. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
52. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
53. PD1030553/81 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Sion Hill and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 834 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
54. PD1030553/82 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Marlpool Lane and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 835 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
55. PD1030553/84 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Areley Kings given service number 3 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
56. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Chaddesley Corbett
Finish Point: Wolverley CE School
Via: Mustow Green, Comberton Hill
Service Number: 833
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: School days
Oh my good god! They have given up the fight with the 3 and the 1 :O I never saw that happening mindshew I guess they can't compete with Diamond now they have upped they're frequency oh well fair play to Diamond thats all I can say they fought and they've won, Go Diamond!
will since diamond started there service 1 up it only completes with whittles on the inward journey to Kidderminster and diamonds and whittles 3 run different ways from stourport to areley kings and back so they only complete between Kidderminster and stourport . and as was said on one of the boards do not take every thing in the n&p as done. someone will correct me if I am wrong
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: Will on July 11, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:04:45 PM
51. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
52. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
53. PD1030553/81 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Sion Hill and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 834 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
54. PD1030553/82 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster, Marlpool Lane and Wolverley Secondary School given service number 835 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
55. PD1030553/84 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Bus Station and Areley Kings given service number 3 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
56. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Chaddesley Corbett
Finish Point: Wolverley CE School
Via: Mustow Green, Comberton Hill
Service Number: 833
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2014
Other Details: School days
Oh my good god! They have given up the fight with the 3 and the 1 :O I never saw that happening mindshew I guess they can't compete with Diamond now they have upped they're frequency oh well fair play to Diamond thats all I can say they fought and they've won, Go Diamond!
will since diamond started there service 1 up it only completes with whittles on the inward journey to Kidderminster and diamonds and whittles 3 run different ways from stourport to areley kings and back so they only complete between Kidderminster and stourport . and as was said on one of the boards do not take every thing in the n&p as done. someone will correct me if I am wrong
Yhyh but why should EYMS carry on everybody knows Whittle is loss making so they [EYMS] should call time
@Matt-I don't actually know Whittle's fares so if you or anyone else could fill me in that'd be great-it isn't in their useful guide. Diamond's fares are incredibly cheap as well, don't forget!
Not sure on the quality of the operation. Obviously I'm not going to dispute their vehicles are newer but many members of the fleet look pretty tatty with adverts peeling off etc though it had improved the last time I was over there.
There were also reliability issues at one time as well, if I'm correct?
In terms of not taking everything as seen in N and P, that was in relation to WCC contracts not commercial competing services.
Potentially, cutting these presumably loss making services could improve Whittles no end, allowing them to withdraw older vehicles and create a more streamlined, efficient, smaller operation EYMS would want to keep? Resources could even be focussed on winning more NX/coaching work instead of bus work in the future to potentially utilise spare drivers?
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
@Matt-I don't actually know Whittle's fares so if you or anyone else could fill me in that'd be great-it isn't in their useful guide. Diamond's fares are incredibly cheap as well, don't forget!
Not sure on the quality of the operation. Obviously I'm not going to dispute their vehicles are newer but many members of the fleet look pretty tatty with adverts peeling off etc though it had improved the last time I was over there.
There were also reliability issues at one time as well, if I'm correct?
In terms of not taking everything as seen in N and P, that was in relation to WCC contracts not commercial competing services.
Potentially, cutting these presumably loss making services could improve Whittles no end, allowing them to withdraw older vehicles and create a more streamlined, efficient, smaller operation EYMS would want to keep? Resources could even be focussed on winning more NX/coaching work instead of bus work in the future to potentially utilise spare drivers?
thanks for clearing the point I made about N&P up.
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Quote from: Cheese on July 11, 2014, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Do you have a source/reasoning for this please Cheese?
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
Sadly looks as though Whittle are losing the fight. The 2/2A/2C/125/292/291 corridor is, in my opinion, not busy enough to compete on properly.
Exactly DD, what will they do with 4 spare vehicles, and what was the point of transferring 4 ALX300s down from EYMS?
A sad day for Whittle coming off the 3, just as the operation had become reliable and upgraded with a good stream of ALX300s......
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
diamonds and whittles 3 run different ways from stourport to areley kings and back so they only complete between Kidderminster and stourport .
Actually Cedric, Whittle and Diamond still serve exactly the same stops on the 3 in Areley Kings and the Walshes, its just once they have served them they turn different ways back to Stourport.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
Sadly looks as though Whittle are losing the fight. The 2/2A/2C/125/292/291 corridor is, in my opinion, not busy enough to compete on properly.
Exactly DD, what will they do with 4 spare vehicles, and what was the point of transferring 4 ALX300s down from EYMS?
A sad day for Whittle coming off the 3, just as the operation had become reliable and upgraded with a good stream of ALX300s......
@StourportSam I guess the 192 means they still maintain presence on the Kidderminster-Stourport corridor but still. I agree it is a shame for them and that they are losing the fight. They still have their contracts and coaching to fall back on so all is not lost! I guess as well an operator only truly stops running a route when their buses are no longer out operating on it as opposed to when VOSA registrations pop up in advance.
Maybe the 2 is as you say not busy enough to compete on but was Whittles 1 ever particularly busy? MPDs with a few OAPs whenever I saw it and Diamond competed on that!
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
Sadly looks as though Whittle are losing the fight. The 2/2A/2C/125/292/291 corridor is, in my opinion, not busy enough to compete on properly.
Exactly DD, what will they do with 4 spare vehicles, and what was the point of transferring 4 ALX300s down from EYMS?
A sad day for Whittle coming off the 3, just as the operation had become reliable and upgraded with a good stream of ALX300s......
I strongly believe that some vehicles (although which ones will remain to be seen) will return to Yorkshire once the routes have ceased running otherwise they will be parked up in the yard dis-used!
But it is as you say Sam sad times but that's life at the end of the day I'm afraid the truth is Whittle's are very slowly dying off but when or even IF they do even really does remain to be seen and even if they do then at least they still have the coaching side & private contract side of the business
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
@Matt-I don't actually know Whittle's fares so if you or anyone else could fill me in that'd be great-it isn't in their useful guide. Diamond's fares are incredibly cheap as well, don't forget!
Not sure on the quality of the operation. Obviously I'm not going to dispute their vehicles are newer but many members of the fleet look pretty tatty with adverts peeling off etc though it had improved the last time I was over there.
There were also reliability issues at one time as well, if I'm correct?
In terms of not taking everything as seen in N and P, that was in relation to WCC contracts not commercial competing services.
Potentially, cutting these presumably loss making services could improve Whittles no end, allowing them to withdraw older vehicles and create a more streamlined, efficient, smaller operation EYMS would want to keep? Resources could even be focussed on winning more NX/coaching work instead of bus work in the future to potentially utilise spare drivers?
The fares were even cheaper until January this year. Now a day ticket for Kidderminster is £2.50 (Diamond £2.60) for example. Indeed fares on the 3 were cheaper but from January have been Kidderminster - Areley Kings Single £2.10 (Diamond £2) and Areley Kings - Stourport Single £1.40 (Diamond £1.20). Most tickets used on the 3 are Connectas anyway.
Reliability issues have all but disappeared since the April fleet changes. Indeed, Diamond is the less reliable operator nowadays with darts breaking down left right and centre!! Just this Thursday gone KU52 RYH decided to seemingly break its gearbox on the X3 coming through Stourport where all passengers were eventually crammed onto Y3 JPT on a 3 service.
I do agree with what you say about streamlining the business and hope this works out for the company.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:11:49 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
I reckon this is the tipping point in Kidderminster from over the last few years Whittle being more successful against First and then Diamond to Diamond pretty much taking over there...
My money is now on the 2 getting competitive between the two operators.
This frees up/means Whittles are losing 4 vehicles' worth of work...
It also leaves the bus station even more empty if their 3 is no longer serving there...
Sadly looks as though Whittle are losing the fight. The 2/2A/2C/125/292/291 corridor is, in my opinion, not busy enough to compete on properly.
Exactly DD, what will they do with 4 spare vehicles, and what was the point of transferring 4 ALX300s down from EYMS?
A sad day for Whittle coming off the 3, just as the operation had become reliable and upgraded with a good stream of ALX300s......
@StourportSam I guess the 192 means they still maintain presence on the Kidderminster-Stourport corridor but still. I agree it is a shame for them and that they are losing the fight. They still have their contracts and coaching to fall back on so all is not lost! I guess as well an operator only truly stops running a route when their buses are no longer out operating on it as opposed to when VOSA registrations pop up in advance.
Maybe the 2 is as you say not busy enough to compete on but was Whittles 1 ever particularly busy? MPDs with a few OAPs whenever I saw it and Diamond competed on that!
I would say the 1 had reasonable loadings - it is the only bus serving a large low income estate. That said, loadings only seem good at peak times and are probably only able to support one operator on the route. You say Diamond have competed with Whittle on the 1 but I think its more a case of pushed them off (not undeservedly) with a better service, better fares and better route, although worse quality buses!
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 11, 2014, 03:56:50 PM
@Matt-I don't actually know Whittle's fares so if you or anyone else could fill me in that'd be great-it isn't in their useful guide. Diamond's fares are incredibly cheap as well, don't forget!
Not sure on the quality of the operation. Obviously I'm not going to dispute their vehicles are newer but many members of the fleet look pretty tatty with adverts peeling off etc though it had improved the last time I was over there.
There were also reliability issues at one time as well, if I'm correct?
In terms of not taking everything as seen in N and P, that was in relation to WCC contracts not commercial competing services.
Potentially, cutting these presumably loss making services could improve Whittles no end, allowing them to withdraw older vehicles and create a more streamlined, efficient, smaller operation EYMS would want to keep? Resources could even be focussed on winning more NX/coaching work instead of bus work in the future to potentially utilise spare drivers?
The fares were even cheaper until January this year. Now a day ticket for Kidderminster is £2.50 (Diamond £2.60) for example. Indeed fares on the 3 were cheaper but from January have been Kidderminster - Areley Kings Single £2.10 (Diamond £2) and Areley Kings - Stourport Single £1.40 (Diamond £1.20). Most tickets used on the 3 are Connectas anyway.
Reliability issues have all but disappeared since the April fleet changes. Indeed, Diamond is the less reliable operator nowadays with darts breaking down left right and centre!! Just this Thursday gone KU52 RYH decided to seemingly break its gearbox on the X3 coming through Stourport where all passengers were eventually crammed onto Y3 JPT on a 3 service.
I do agree with what you say about streamlining the business and hope this works out for the company.
I guess Diamond do have an older fleet so perhaps there is the potential for more breakdowns and reliability issues. Out of interest, how much is a Whittle's Network ticket as planning to explore their whole network at some point? Thanks :)
Thanks for the info on the 1-you reckon the route Diamond picked is better then? Do you see scope to double the frequency to every 20 mins?
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Meh!
Tom-ato - Tomato
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Out of interest, how much is a Whittle's Network ticket as planning to explore their whole network at some point?
Sorry I don't know exact fare. Have never needed to buy one. It is around the £6.50 mark. Do the trip before end of August!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM1-you reckon the route Diamond picked is better then?
Knowing Kidderminster, without a doubt. It is far, far more logical and saves on pointless doubling back.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Do you see scope to double the frequency to every 20 mins?
Not really, at the moment.
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Meh!
Tom-ato - Tomato
In KidderminsterWhittle's oldest bus - 2000 / Newest - 2007
Diamond's oldest - 1998 / Newest - 2004
I reckon Whittles won't exist in the bus side by this time 2015. I'm going to place odds on them selling out to NXWM, First or Arriva
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Meh!
Tom-ato - Tomato
In Kidderminster
Whittle's oldest bus - 2000 / Newest - 2007
Diamond's oldest - 1998 / Newest - 2004
So what?!
So Whittle's have got better buses than Diamond whats your point?!
Correct me if I'm wrong but are Diamond doing better than them answers on a postcard..
@the trainbasher my point exactly!
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Meh!
Tom-ato - Tomato
In Kidderminster
Whittle's oldest bus - 2000 / Newest - 2007
Diamond's oldest - 1998 / Newest - 2004
So what?!
So Whittle's have got better buses than Diamond whats your point?!
Correct me if I'm wrong but are Diamond doing better than them answers on a postcard...
My point
was the fact that Whittle have a better fleet.
Diamond do appear to be doing better that Whittle in Kidderminster, I don't dispute that, I think it is just about clear which operator we each prefer...
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: Will on July 12, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Whittle's are very slowly dying off
Hardly. The bus operation in its current form seems bigger than ever before (pre-September), vehicle standard is the best it has ever been, corporate image has been improved in the past few years, new ticket machines last year, etc.!!
Meh!
Tom-ato - Tomato
In Kidderminster
Whittle's oldest bus - 2000 / Newest - 2007
Diamond's oldest - 1998 / Newest - 2004
So what?!
So Whittle's have got better buses than Diamond whats your point?!
Correct me if I'm wrong but are Diamond doing better than them answers on a postcard...
My point was the fact that Whittle have a better fleet.
Diamond do appear to be doing better that Whittle in Kidderminster, I don't dispute that, I think it is just about clear which operator we each prefer...
Well as a Rotala employee (which I was albeit for 3 days - my decision not theres) I am obliged to stick up for my former employer
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:29:50 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Out of interest, how much is a Whittle's Network ticket as planning to explore their whole network at some point?
Sorry I don't know exact fare. Have never needed to buy one. It is around the £6.50 mark. Do the trip before end of August!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM1-you reckon the route Diamond picked is better then?
Knowing Kidderminster, without a doubt. It is far, far more logical and saves on pointless doubling back.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
Do you see scope to double the frequency to every 20 mins?
Not really, at the moment.
Thanks for the info Sam! Yes, planning to do it next week sometime so I can sample their full network as is. Interesting info re the 1.
Would NX, Arriva or First really want to be bothered with them? Arriva owning EYMS as a whole I'll give you or possibly NX but why would any multinational want a small, possibly loss-making operation? First sold their own more successful KR operation, and closed Truronian Holidays right down after taking over, Arriva could just win work off them anyway and I can't see them being bothered with a 20 bus operation. As for NX, they could have easily bought KR and RH last year had they been interested. I can see and hope to see Whittles still in KR running contracts, the 125, 2A/C etc and its successful coaching side.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Cheese on July 11, 2014, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Do you have a source/reasoning for this please Cheese?
The registration document which I was reading last week...
Quote from: Cheese on July 13, 2014, 09:16:59 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Cheese on July 11, 2014, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Do you have a source/reasoning for this please Cheese?
The registration document which I was reading last week...
the Kidderminster to Stourbridge part of the 125 is well used. if any of the 125 is going to be cut to every 2 hours think it would be more the bridgnorth to Kidderminster section as it always used every 2 hours
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:11:29 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 11, 2014, 03:43:37 PM
diamonds and whittles 3 run different ways from stourport to areley kings and back so they only complete between Kidderminster and stourport .
Actually Cedric, Whittle and Diamond still serve exactly the same stops on the 3 in Areley Kings and the Walshes, its just once they have served them they turn different ways back to Stourport.
knew they where slightly different but not quite sure how it was thank Sam for clearing that up for me
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
I reckon Whittles won't exist in the bus side by this time 2015. I'm going to place odds on them selling out to NXWM, First or Arriva
Arriva where interested in buying the Kr & Rh operation of first the same as NXWM did . so I do not think they well be interested and also they run most of the routes around Shropshire that Whittles once did. , and can not see first coming back in to Kidderminster . nor go ahead as they once owned diamond. Stagecoach might be the one it sold too ?
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 10:09:48 AM
Quote from: Cheese on July 13, 2014, 09:16:59 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 12, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Cheese on July 11, 2014, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 11, 2014, 03:11:06 PM
PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Do you have a source/reasoning for this please Cheese?
The registration document which I was reading last week...
the Kidderminster to Stourbridge part of the 125 is well used. if any of the 125 is going to be cut to every 2 hours think it would be more the bridgnorth to Kidderminster section as it always used every 2 hours
I thought that section of the route carried decent loads at times. If it is being cut back to 2 hourly, It could always provide Diamond or possibly even Hanson's with an opportunity?
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
I reckon Whittles won't exist in the bus side by this time 2015. I'm going to place odds on them selling out to NXWM, First or Arriva
Arriva where interested in buying the Kr & Rh operation of first the same as NXWM did . so I do not think they well be interested and also they run most of the routes around Shropshire that Whittles once did. , and can not see first coming back in to Kidderminster . nor go ahead as they once owned diamond. Stagecoach might be the one it sold too ?
I don't really see anyone other than Rotala/Diamond being interested in Whittle's operation on its own, the bus operations will have shrunk come 1st Sept, none of the bus groups are interested in coaching & Whittle only operate 6 coached on NX work. At last count, the business was loss making, whether the streamlining has any impact remains to be seen.
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PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/62 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between kidiminster town hall and kidiminster town hall given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2014.
PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Think the 125 is reducing to every 2 hours between Stourbridge and Kidderminster, still hourly or so between Kidderminster and Bridgnorth.
Do you have a source/reasoning for this please Cheese?
The registration document which I was reading last week...
the Kidderminster to Stourbridge part of the 125 is well used. if any of the 125 is going to be cut to every 2 hours think it would be more the bridgnorth to Kidderminster section as it always used every 2 hours
I thought that section of the route carried decent loads at times. If it is being cut back to 2 hourly, It could always provide Diamond or possibly even Hanson's with an opportunity?
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
I reckon Whittles won't exist in the bus side by this time 2015. I'm going to place odds on them selling out to NXWM, First or Arriva
Arriva where interested in buying the Kr & Rh operation of first the same as NXWM did . so I do not think they well be interested and also they run most of the routes around Shropshire that Whittles once did. , and can not see first coming back in to Kidderminster . nor go ahead as they once owned diamond. Stagecoach might be the one it sold too ?
I don't really see anyone other than Rotala/Diamond being interested in Whittle's operation on its own, the bus operations will have shrunk come 1st Sept, none of the bus groups are interested in coaching & Whittle only operate 6 coached on NX work. At last count, the business was loss making, whether the streamlining has any impact remains to be seen.
the none NX coach side is losing money as well, some of the holiday tours passangers have switch to a EYMS coach . and the same goes for EYMS tours they have to switch to a whittles coach , so is EYMS losing money themselves
Sadly I could see EYMS closing the Whittles operation down. Being an Independent group, I don't see why they would want to risk Whittles being a financial drain on their operations in Yorkshire. Unless EYMS wanted to sell out as a whole, but they seem quite proud of being Independent still (as per the Channel 5 series).
No, I could see EYMS pull out and then let everyone else fight it out to replace their services, which would mainly be to the benefit of Diamond. But, to be fair with the whole area being under Rotala control, they might be able to carve out a successful complete local Network of town and interurban services.
The last accounts for Whittle's I saw, they're weren't making a massive loss but that could have since got worse since competition on the 1 & 3 has intensified with Diamond.
Even EYMS profit are fairly small, the last accounts (end of 2012) show it has an operating profit margin of 3.9%, after interest/tax etc the retained profit margin was 2.6% margin. I suspect it may have deteriorated further since then with all the cuts etc in East Yorkshire
The remaining Whittle's bus operation would be better being sold to Rotala, KR isn't really big enough//busy enough to support two operators. At least if Whittle's tendered/commercial routes were brought in to the Diamond network, it would make the network tickets more useful & open up new journey opportunities
Quote from: Winston on July 13, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
The last accounts for Whittle's I saw, they're weren't making a massive loss but that could have since got worse since competition on the 1 & 3 has intensified with Diamond.
Even EYMS profit are fairly small, the last accounts (end of 2012) show it has an operating profit margin of 3.9%, after interest/tax etc the retained profit margin was 2.6% margin. I suspect it may have deteriorated further since then with all the cuts etc in East Yorkshire
Just out of interest was Finglands losing money as well ? and if so did EYMS sell for that reason ? Whittles have just got the contract to supply the Kidderminster football team with the team coach for the 2014/15 season using the whittles gold coach
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Winston on July 13, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
The last accounts for Whittle's I saw, they're weren't making a massive loss but that could have since got worse since competition on the 1 & 3 has intensified with Diamond.
Even EYMS profit are fairly small, the last accounts (end of 2012) show it has an operating profit margin of 3.9%, after interest/tax etc the retained profit margin was 2.6% margin. I suspect it may have deteriorated further since then with all the cuts etc in East Yorkshire
Just out of interest was Finglands losing money as well ? and if so did EYMS sell for that reason ? Whittles have just got the contract to supply the Kidderminster football team with the team coach for the 2014/15 season using the whittles gold coach
Yes Finglands was loosing money, I believe the sale was down to the losses it was making. Plus not including the buses in the sale to First has helped EYMS to replace step entrance deckers & early low floor single deckers.
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
Sounds more than interesting!
Quote from: StourportSam on July 13, 2014, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
Sounds more than interesting!
Maybe Whittle's haven't given up after all?
I'm also interested to wait and find out about the potential new September changes.
I can agree with what has been said further down the thread though-the Kidderminster-Stourbridge bit of the route looked very busy yesterday.
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
I'd reckon the 125 is far busier, hence why it is a) a supported service and b) only of "medium importance" as found out by WCC's extensive surveying. The 125 is consistently pretty busy, whenever I've used the 192 it's pretty much always less than 10.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
I'd reckon the 125 is far busier, hence why it is a) a supported service and b) only of "medium importance" as found out by WCC's extensive surveying. The 125 is consistently pretty busy, whenever I've used the 192 it's pretty much always less than 10.
That's one reason why I think the 125 is less busy, because it's a supported service (implying it needs the support to run). It's always nice when I get a quiet 192 like that but unfortunately I always end up with a busy one! It's quite understandable though, with the 192 serving mostly urban areas (Halesowen, Hagley, Kidderminster, Stourport) whilst the 125 serves mostly rural areas.
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
I'd reckon the 125 is far busier, hence why it is a) a supported service and b) only of "medium importance" as found out by WCC's extensive surveying. The 125 is consistently pretty busy, whenever I've used the 192 it's pretty much always less than 10.
That's one reason why I think the 125 is less busy, because it's a supported service (implying it needs the support to run). It's always nice when I get a quiet 192 like that but unfortunately I always end up with a busy one! It's quite understandable though, with the 192 serving mostly urban areas (Halesowen, Hagley, Kidderminster, Stourport) whilst the 125 serves mostly rural areas.
The 125 isn't supported-it is only PART supported and mostly run as commercial. The 192 by contrast is entirely supported by WCC. Perhaps you catch it mostly in the peaks, or at times when school students use it, the review document does mention that. Well, yes the 192 does serve Halesowen, Kidderminster and Stourport-not part of the original 192 but the 125 serves Stourbridge, Kidderminster, Bewdley and of course Bridgnorth.
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Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
I'd reckon the 125 is far busier, hence why it is a) a supported service and b) only of "medium importance" as found out by WCC's extensive surveying. The 125 is consistently pretty busy, whenever I've used the 192 it's pretty much always less than 10.
That's one reason why I think the 125 is less busy, because it's a supported service (implying it needs the support to run). It's always nice when I get a quiet 192 like that but unfortunately I always end up with a busy one! It's quite understandable though, with the 192 serving mostly urban areas (Halesowen, Hagley, Kidderminster, Stourport) whilst the 125 serves mostly rural areas.
The 125 isn't supported-it is only PART supported and mostly run as commercial. The 192 by contrast is entirely supported by WCC. Perhaps you catch it mostly in the peaks, or at times when school students use it, the review document does mention that. Well, yes the 192 does serve Halesowen, Kidderminster and Stourport-not part of the original 192 but the 125 serves Stourbridge, Kidderminster, Bewdley and of course Bridgnorth.
I'm surprised the 192 is supported, but it can't be a bad thing though to know its future is secure.
Regarding schools, it's rare to see kids from Haybridge or Hagley on there due to the stupid way in which the timetable is set. In the morning they arrive from Kidder at 0722 (too early) and 0852 (too late) and from Halesowen at 0754 (too early). In the afternoon the one from Kidder to Halesowen is due in the high street at 1532 which is too early, yet it then sits around in Halesowen for 20 minutes! If it was made 10 mins later kids from both schools would be able to use it and could potentially take passengers from Evergreen's services. The same goes for towards Kidder, the first one after school isn't till 1624...
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 15, 2014, 09:59:27 AM
I saw an e200 come into Stourbridge full and standing. Quite why they don't put the alx300's on here that are that bit bigger/better for interurban services? I saw one on the 192 and that is much quieter.
The 192 is surely Whittle's busiest non-school route, I've seen crowds getting on at Halesowen
I'd reckon the 125 is far busier, hence why it is a) a supported service and b) only of "medium importance" as found out by WCC's extensive surveying. The 125 is consistently pretty busy, whenever I've used the 192 it's pretty much always less than 10.
That's one reason why I think the 125 is less busy, because it's a supported service (implying it needs the support to run). It's always nice when I get a quiet 192 like that but unfortunately I always end up with a busy one! It's quite understandable though, with the 192 serving mostly urban areas (Halesowen, Hagley, Kidderminster, Stourport) whilst the 125 serves mostly rural areas.
The 125 isn't supported-it is only PART supported and mostly run as commercial. The 192 by contrast is entirely supported by WCC. Perhaps you catch it mostly in the peaks, or at times when school students use it, the review document does mention that. Well, yes the 192 does serve Halesowen, Kidderminster and Stourport-not part of the original 192 but the 125 serves Stourbridge, Kidderminster, Bewdley and of course Bridgnorth.
I'm surprised the 192 is supported, but it can't be a bad thing though to know its future is secure.
Regarding schools, it's rare to see kids from Haybridge or Hagley on there due to the stupid way in which the timetable is set. In the morning they arrive from Kidder at 0722 (too early) and 0852 (too late) and from Halesowen at 0754 (too early). In the afternoon the one from Kidder to Halesowen is due in the high street at 1532 which is too early, yet it then sits around in Halesowen for 20 minutes! If it was made 10 mins later kids from both schools would be able to use it and could potentially take passengers from Evergreen's services. The same goes for towards Kidder, the first one after school isn't till 1624...
Indeed-I agree re the 192.
Interesting info about how it doesn't fit in with school movements-I'm sure Whittle's management would be interested in hearing suggestions. How much they can do, I don't know as it is a supported service. Perhaps September will bring some timetable changes anyway?
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Why? ???
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Hardly, the 125 is Whittle's own commercial service whereas the 292 is run under tender from Worcestershire County Council - its their choice who they award the contract to!
This rumour has come from several sources where I work, possibly all originating from the same source (a First bus driver) so could be a load of rubbish, just thought I would post anyway.
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Why? ???
Because Diamond would run it better than they do and in anycase they would probably run the route differently
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
I understand you are unwilling to release further details Cedric, but would you be able to indicate whether this 'surprise' is good or bad for Whittle please?
Thanks
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look perculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Why? ???
Because Diamond would run it better than they do and in anycase they would probably run the route differently
I disagree. You can't choose how you run a subsidised service.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
I understand you are unwilling to release further details Cedric, but would you be able to indicate whether this 'surprise' is good or bad for Whittle please?
Thanks
I agree Sam!
Can't say something like that and then say NOTHING!!
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 13, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
we will all be in for a suprize in septmember , from what I have heard this afternoon. this is from a realiable soruce. but I can not reval it
as things are still being put togther
I understand you are unwilling to release further details Cedric, but would you be able to indicate whether this 'surprise' is good or bad for Whittle please?
Thanks
I agree Sam!
Can't say something like that and then say NOTHING!!
Sam & will it not that am unwilling to say Nothing it is a gave my word that I would not disclose the little bit I was told . but one thing I will say keep yours eyes on the 2A that is one place there maybe a supprize , and also the 15. do not know much more myself, think it could be a good one thing to finalize 100% yet.
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
not heard that one Sam , on face book whittles are saying they will be posting things about there services very soom
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
309 has had the messy Whittle logo on the front where it was applied over the East Yorkshire one removed and a fresh Whittle logo applied in its place. Looks as though a repaint is due no time soon.
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
Yes I've seen that too mate it does look peculiar I must admit and them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
will many years ago Whittles ran the 192/292 sunday service from Birmingham to Ludlow but centeral connect where the last operator to run it think it was 2 years since it stop running , thinking about the 292 again all thought it is hourly it only goes to Ludlow every 2 hours and hales park every 2 hours so a big maybe it may be the hales park 292s whittles run which would fit it with there 2a just guessing that
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Hardly, the 125 is Whittle's own commercial service whereas the 292 is run under tender from Worcestershire County Council - its their choice who they award the contract to!
This rumour has come from several sources where I work, possibly all originating from the same source (a First bus driver) so could be a load of rubbish, just thought I would post anyway.
is the 292 also under tender from Shropshire County Council for the section that runs in Shropshire
Quote from: bowler on July 17, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:46:36 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Will on July 17, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on July 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
The rumour mill informs me Whittle will be operating the 292 from September. Whether this is true; we shall see.
them running the 292 who on earth has said that?
I really hope it's true!
Well if that IS the case then Diamond can run the 125 fairs fair in my opinion
Hardly, the 125 is Whittle's own commercial service whereas the 292 is run under tender from Worcestershire County Council - its their choice who they award the contract to!
This rumour has come from several sources where I work, possibly all originating from the same source (a First bus driver) so could be a load of rubbish, just thought I would post anyway.
is the 292 also under tender from Shropshire County Council for the section that runs in Shropshire
Yes, according the The Worcs CC website says the service is "largely funded by Shropshire Council".
In other words, absolutely nothing to do with WCC changes so unlikely that Shropshire have decided to suddenly re-tender it from the same date as Worcestershire have changed their services!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 17, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
In other words, absolutely nothing to do with WCC changes so unlikely that Shropshire have decided to suddenly re-tender it from the same date as Worcestershire have changed their services!!
1) Who said it was changing on the same date?
2) What is wrong with Shropshire updating their services at the start of September? It seems a sensible time.
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 17, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
In other words, absolutely nothing to do with WCC changes so unlikely that Shropshire have decided to suddenly re-tender it from the same date as Worcestershire have changed their services!!
1) Who said it was changing on the same date?
2) What is wrong with Shropshire updating their services at the start of September? It seems a sensible time.
I agree with you matt as septmember is when the new term starts in both counties but not exactaly the same date
Quote from: Matt on July 17, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 17, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
In other words, absolutely nothing to do with WCC changes so unlikely that Shropshire have decided to suddenly re-tender it from the same date as Worcestershire have changed their services!!
1) Who said it was changing on the same date?
2) What is wrong with Shropshire updating their services at the start of September? It seems a sensible time.
Well, may not be the same date but "September" was mentioned.
Nothing, only I'd have thought there was enough upheaval for passengers and operators in Worcestershire come September as it is, without them changing already set up contracts they have organised/tendered. A sensible time? Are you having a laugh?! The Damory Dorset experience and Arriva Malta shows you the danger of fast, all in one go changes. They cause confusion and chaos for operators and passengers alike, at a time of the year when people are going back to school/finding their feet and people are going back to work after holidays etc so guaranteed to cause maximum disruption as it is!!
Sam, Will I have posted message in rotala board about closure of the birmingham road
Quote from: bowler on July 18, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
Sam, Will I have posted message in rotala board about closure of the birmingham road
Causing an issue with the 125.
I was on the 1015 from Stourbridge, which was about 10 minutes late.
Should have got to Bewdley by 1100am, but still on the bus outside Kidderminster by then.
Had to change bus at Kidderminster.
Should have waited for the next 125 to turn up but a friendly 2a driver let me on his bus so eventually got there about 12.
Wonder if they'll manage some through 125s soon back to civilisation?
Quote from: Westy on July 23, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 18, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
Sam, Will I have posted message in rotala board about closure of the birmingham road
Causing an issue with the 125.
I was on the 1015 from Stourbridge, which was about 10 minutes late.
Should have got to Bewdley by 1100am, but still on the bus outside Kidderminster by then.
Had to change bus at Kidderminster.
Should have waited for the next 125 to turn up but a friendly 2a driver let me on his bus so eventually got there about 12.
Wonder if they'll manage some through 125s soon back to civilisation?
road works should be finished around the 2/8/14 approx
Quote from: bowler on July 23, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
Quote from: Westy on July 23, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: bowler on July 18, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
Sam, Will I have posted message in rotala board about closure of the birmingham road
Causing an issue with the 125.
I was on the 1015 from Stourbridge, which was about 10 minutes late.
Should have got to Bewdley by 1100am, but still on the bus outside Kidderminster by then.
Had to change bus at Kidderminster.
Should have waited for the next 125 to turn up but a friendly 2a driver let me on his bus so eventually got there about 12.
Wonder if they'll manage some through 125s soon back to civilisation?
road works should be finished around the 2/8/14 approx
Managed a through journey from Bewdley around 1330.
photographed whittles coach 20 YX07HKM at riverside coach park Stratford-upon-Avon
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/14741009042/
I these photos on 16/07/14 I was surprised to see Caetano Levante Whittle livery ex National Express no. 83 YX07HJF on a school trip. Is seen in Kidderminster after being one of 3 Whittle Coaches that went on a School trip to Telford for the day. There is also a photo of the leather interior after I asked the kind driver to get a photo it. :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14787594493/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14787594493/in/photostream/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14744998176/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14744998176/in/photostream/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14581876737/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14581876737/in/photostream/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14581868829/in/photostream/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/111243429@N03/14581868829/in/photostream/)
Saw a Whittles Levante going through Heath Town on Saturday heading down Wednesfield Rd going into Wolverhampton City Centre. Any ideas where it was coming from/where it was heading?
Any idea why Wolverhampton Bus Station have the Whittle's timetable book?
Saw a few in the Travel Shop.
Quote from: Westy on July 29, 2014, 07:37:36 PM
Any idea why Wolverhampton Bus Station have the Whittle's timetable book?
Saw a few in the Travel Shop.
know at one time there was a service 890 run by various operators , A big maybe with whittles pulling of the 1 and 3 in Kidderminster may they are going to try to get services back in a area where they use to be a big operator of services as they did start up in highley near bridgnorth and had a few bus services around sropshire
May be of interest to some on here, EYMS 418 YX51 MUO, formerly on long term loan to Whittle, has been delicensed from their Beverley depot.
Quote from: StourportSam on August 01, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
May be of interest to some on here, EYMS 418 YX51 MUO, formerly on long term loan to Whittle, has been delicensed from their Beverley depot.
sam had notice that and 318 has been delicensed as well from scarborough depot wonder If it will join what where 314/15/16/17 before they went to finglands
Quote from: bowler on August 01, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on August 01, 2014, 01:12:19 PM
May be of interest to some on here, EYMS 418 YX51 MUO, formerly on long term loan to Whittle, has been delicensed from their Beverley depot.
sam had notice that and 318 has been delicensed as well from scarborough depot wonder If it will join what where 314/15/16/17 before they went to finglands
Are you thinking of the ALX 300s? Think the last one was W417 JAT, this 318 at least is an S reg Dennis Dart with Caetano Compass body. Apparently it was loaned to Whittle for a month in 2009.
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
The 11:10 entering halesowen had broken down by the harvester on the hagley road
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
will just been looking on the worcetershire county council website the are sone details of the 1/9/14 changes . and one I have seen is whittles are taking over the 833 school service which comes through offmore from chaddesdley to wolverley school
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Will did not mean that it was on that service today. know whittles drvers have being doing some route learning so that is maybe what it was being used on or a fitter try it out after repair
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Will did not mean that it was on that service today. know whittles drvers have being doing some route learning so that is maybe what it was being used on or a fitter try it out after repair
I genuinely have no idea but I reckon it was what I said i.e. it did a diversion
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Will did not mean that it was on that service today. know whittles drvers have being doing some route learning so that is maybe what it was being used on or a fitter try it out after repair
I genuinely have no idea but I reckon it was what I said i.e. it did a diversion
will are proberly right, what do you think of the change to the 2A/2C
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Will did not mean that it was on that service today. know whittles drvers have being doing some route learning so that is maybe what it was being used on or a fitter try it out after repair
I genuinely have no idea but I reckon it was what I said i.e. it did a diversion
will are proberly right, what do you think of the change to the 2A/2C
Hmm might have to have a little ride on that I wonder if as you said they MIGHT start running to Wolverhampton would be very interesting if they do/did
Is that the ex East Yorkshire one as that was the one I said had broken down on the hagley road with back up
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 05, 2014, 08:45:18 AM
Is that the ex East Yorkshire one as that was the one I said had broken down on the hagley road with back up
was it the one still in EYMS livery if so it was the one which is still classed as on loan. I was asking will the other poster will about it as I live near him
Yes it was still in old East Yorkshire livery but had the whittle logo on
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 05, 2014, 09:19:02 AM
Yes it was still in old East Yorkshire livery but had the whittle logo on
that is the one I was talking about to the other poster
Maybe going back to depot as he had obviously overheated or trying to get back on track for the 192 from Kidderminster to stourport
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 03:51:21 PM
Quote from: bowler on August 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: Will on August 04, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
**Unusual Working**
309, W409 JAT just went past my house on Tennyson Way, Offmore!!! I am utterly gobsmacked due to the fact Whittle don't run up here.........
Will What time was that I missed it which way was it going towards the Birmingham road or the Bromsgrove road ,over the last couple of weeks I have seen several first buses on offmore . back to whittles maybe they might be starting on the 10 again ?
Just after 12 Cedric and it was going towards Borrington Road from the Husum Way end of Offmore
how about this for a change in the 2A/2C Kidderminster - Habberley - Wribbenhall - Bewdley - Bark Hill -
Bewdley - Birchen Coppice - Kidderminster (Circular) 2A the 2C runs the reveres way run and the go through stourport so is this why they are coming of the 3.
Still can't think why W409 JAT was on Offmore though I mean theres no schools in (obviously) so it couldn't of been a private contract the ONLY thing I can think of is the 192 made a diversion from Birmingham Road down Husum Way and then along Tennyson Way probably because of traffic if nothing else
Will did not mean that it was on that service today. know whittles drvers have being doing some route learning so that is maybe what it was being used on or a fitter try it out after repair
for details of whittles service changes from 1st of next month check this link
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/bus.asp#Service_Changes_-_from_01_September_2014
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
Quote from: bowler on September 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
I'm back!!!...
Yes 169 still in use I was on it last Tuesday and Sam! I completely agree with what you said "where has 164 gone" I haven't seen it for months myself so perhaps it's "ill" who knows as for 163 however it's looks as if it's as you say it's staying here with Whittle
Quote from: Will on September 08, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: bowler on September 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
I'm back!!!...
Yes 169 still in use I was on it last Tuesday and Sam! I completely agree with what you said "where has 164 gone" I haven't seen it for months myself so perhaps it's "ill" who knows as for 163 however it's looks as if it's as you say it's staying here with Whittle
just found this on eyms website 163 Y214 HWJ Loan to Whittles. from another source found out a bit about 169 being used with whittles till sale link to page with info about 163 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print . info on 169 from @EYMSEnthusiasts page on twitter it is a tweet from me and reply from them .
updated information about 161/163/169 as 12/9/14 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print
Quote from: Ced on September 09, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Will on September 08, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: bowler on September 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
I'm back!!!...
Yes 169 still in use I was on it last Tuesday and Sam! I completely agree with what you said "where has 164 gone" I haven't seen it for months myself so perhaps it's "ill" who knows as for 163 however it's looks as if it's as you say it's staying here with Whittle
just found this on eyms website 163 Y214 HWJ Loan to Whittles. from another source found out a bit about 169 being used with whittles till sale link to page with info about 163 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print . info on 169 from @EYMSEnthusiasts page on twitter it is a tweet from me and reply from them .
updated information about 161/163/169 as 12/9/14 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print
Just read about 161 up for sale I see! Clearly Whittle aren't having it back then! Nothing on the EYMS website about 169 can't understand why they are getting rid of that as theres nothing at all wrong with it but if they say it's going then it will
Quote from: Ced on September 09, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Will on September 08, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: bowler on September 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
I'm back!!!...
Yes 169 still in use I was on it last Tuesday and Sam! I completely agree with what you said "where has 164 gone" I haven't seen it for months myself so perhaps it's "ill" who knows as for 163 however it's looks as if it's as you say it's staying here with Whittle
just found this on eyms website 163 Y214 HWJ Loan to Whittles. from another source found out a bit about 169 being used with whittles till sale link to page with info about 163 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print . info on 169 from @EYMSEnthusiasts page on twitter it is a tweet from me and reply from them .
updated information about 161/163/169 as 12/9/14 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print
will here is the link for the page for the info on 169 http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/enthusiasts-news-item?id=1122
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
First few days seemed virtually empty. Now I have seen very healthy loads and even a few full buses! Mainly ALX 300s with the YX03 darts and e200s also making appearances. A few MPDs have made their way on too. Have yet to travel on it myself however.
Quote from: StourportSam on September 14, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
First few days seemed virtually empty. Now I have seen very healthy loads and even a few full buses! Mainly ALX 300s with the YX03 darts and e200s also making appearances. A few MPDs have made their way on too. Have yet to travel on it myself however.
I second what Sam has written and to add on I have travelled on both routes 3 times all ready also I have been on the 15 which now includes the as yet unopened Tesco Superstore
Quote from: StourportSam on September 14, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
First few days seemed virtually empty. Now I have seen very healthy loads and even a few full buses! Mainly ALX 300s with the YX03 darts and e200s also making appearances. A few MPDs have made their way on too. Have yet to travel on it myself however.
Thanks for the info! Does it seem fairly busy between Bewdley and Stourport or just on the bits that correspond to the old 2A/C/3 corridors?
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 14, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
First few days seemed virtually empty. Now I have seen very healthy loads and even a few full buses! Mainly ALX 300s with the YX03 darts and e200s also making appearances. A few MPDs have made their way on too. Have yet to travel on it myself however.
Thanks for the info! Does it seem fairly busy between Bewdley and Stourport or just on the bits that correspond to the old 2A/C/3 corridors?
Yes most of the time as the 2C for example goes via The Coppice so it is handy for Coppice residents etc
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 14, 2014, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 14, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
Anyone seen how the new 2A/C is doing? Are any vehicles in particular being put on it ie darts/MPDs/volvo's/e200's? Thanks :)
First few days seemed virtually empty. Now I have seen very healthy loads and even a few full buses! Mainly ALX 300s with the YX03 darts and e200s also making appearances. A few MPDs have made their way on too. Have yet to travel on it myself however.
Thanks for the info! Does it seem fairly busy between Bewdley and Stourport or just on the bits that correspond to the old 2A/C/3 corridors?
the one time I used it from Kidderminster to birchen coppice there where 4 people on (including me) 3 got of there and 2 got on so there where 3 of use between there and stourport 2 got of in stourport leaving just me to bewdley load street where I got of think a couple got on there to bark hill. friends I have in bewdley do not like the service has in is not very clear which way the bus is going as it displays Kidderminster both ways and the via points are to small and fast scrolling through . and even worse when in is a bus with roller blind it just shows Kidderminster a card in the windscreen whould help .and service not very reliable for timekeeping
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 22-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2014, 04:06:14 PM
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 22-Sept-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
did see a notice on a whittles bus last week apologising for the unreliability of the service and they where working hard to do a more realable timetable
here is a link to whittles facebook page with more details about the 2a/2c changes and some things about the 831/833/192 https://www.facebook.com/WhittleCoachBus?fref=nf
PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 22-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service number 192 effective from 22-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Chaddesley Corbett and Wolverley CE School given service number 833 effective from 22-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I found a picture of 162 (Y213 HWJ) on flickr the other day she looks in a very sorry state here is the link to the pic (https://flic.kr/p/oGzeLW) :'(
Quote from: Ced on September 08, 2014, 04:45:51 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on September 03, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
EYMS fleet news for September 2014
309 W409 JAT has returned to Hull from loan.
169 W694 EOP has been listed as delicensed (although I saw it today or yesterday in Kidderminster).
This would be the result of Whittle PVR reducing by 2 buses after the September changes.
Interestingly it now looks as though 163 Y214 HWJ is staying (was in service today), although 162 Y213 HWJ never came back.
Has anyone seen 164 GK03 NFT recently? It doesn't seem to see much use.
sam 169 is still here today
saw 164 in service last night around 6pm did not catch service number
Is the East Yorkshire Motor Services mentioned in this thread the same one involved in the recent Channel 5 programme?
If so, I'm surprised there wasn't a passing mention of Whittle in the programme maybe in connection of transferring vehicles to the Midlands & vice versa?
Quote from: Westy on September 21, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Is the East Yorkshire Motor Services mentioned in this thread the same one involved in the recent Channel 5 programme?
If so, I'm surprised there wasn't a passing mention of Whittle in the programme maybe in connection of transferring vehicles to the Midlands & vice versa?
No mention of Whittle whatsoever in the series that was the only reason if I'm honest why I watched it as I thought they would be given a mention but nothing at all...
Quote from: Westy on September 21, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Is the East Yorkshire Motor Services mentioned in this thread the same one involved in the recent Channel 5 programme?
If so, I'm surprised there wasn't a passing mention of Whittle in the programme maybe in connection of transferring vehicles to the Midlands & vice versa?
think it was because title . and it only feature two depots 99% of the time , idid notice whittles name in one episode where the where going through some paperwork
Whittles provided some coaches for the Ryder Cup in Gleneagles over the weekend - YN60 FLR & YX07 HKL were the two I could find on Flickr.
buses with digital displays on the 2A/2C now display wyre forest link as there destination .
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Their accounts at Companies House were overdue and have only been uploaded yesterday, up to end of Dec 2013 losses had increased from the previous year.
Diamond/Rotala would be the obvious buyer, but would the Oft allow it? They may need another 'City Line Travel' scenario to provide new competition etc
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Their accounts at Companies House were overdue and have only been uploaded yesterday, up to end of Dec 2013 losses had increased from the previous year.
Diamond/Rotala would be the obvious buyer, but would the Oft allow it? They may need another 'City Line Travel' scenario to provide new competition etc
Well Diamond would be the logical buyer as you said Winston lets hope so
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Their accounts at Companies House were overdue and have only been uploaded yesterday, up to end of Dec 2013 losses had increased from the previous year.
Diamond/Rotala would be the obvious buyer, but would the Oft allow it? They may need another 'City Line Travel' scenario to provide new competition etc
Well Diamond would be the logical buyer as you said Winston lets hope so
I can only see Rotala being interested in the bus business, can't see them wanting to get involved with NX coaches again, nor the the tours part of the coach business.
Plus Whittle's bus fleet is newer than Diamond's current KR age profile, particularly the E200's. The B10BLE/ALX300's would be interesting though on the X3 etc. It would certainly fill up Diamond's KR depot and link KR in with the Diamond WM network at both Stourbridge & Halesowen
I guess it depends on anyone else being interested that might be prepared to take the lot on including the depot & all coaching activities etc
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Their accounts at Companies House were overdue and have only been uploaded yesterday, up to end of Dec 2013 losses had increased from the previous year.
Diamond/Rotala would be the obvious buyer, but would the Oft allow it? They may need another 'City Line Travel' scenario to provide new competition etc
Well Diamond would be the logical buyer as you said Winston lets hope so
I can only see Rotala being interested in the bus business, can't see them wanting to get involved with NX coaches again, nor the the tours part of the coach business.
Plus Whittle's bus fleet is newer than Diamond's current KR age profile, particularly the E200's. The B10BLE/ALX300's would be interesting though on the X3 etc. It would certainly fill up Diamond's KR depot and link KR in with the Diamond WM network at both Stourbridge & Halesowen
I guess it depends on anyone else being interested that might be prepared to take the lot on including the depot & all coaching activities etc
Tbh,
If they [Rotala/Diamond] do buy Whittle they'd probably transfer the coach side of the business to "Flights Hallmark" @ Long Acre in Birmingham
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 08:12:41 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 09, 2014, 06:19:24 PM
EYMS have put Whittles up for sale see following link for details
http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11526595.Job_loss_fears_as_bus_company_put_up_for_sale/
I hate to say I told everyone so but I did! I said back in January that this would happen but I was shot down in flames but now look what's occured.....
Their accounts at Companies House were overdue and have only been uploaded yesterday, up to end of Dec 2013 losses had increased from the previous year.
Diamond/Rotala would be the obvious buyer, but would the Oft allow it? They may need another 'City Line Travel' scenario to provide new competition etc
Well Diamond would be the logical buyer as you said Winston lets hope so
I can only see Rotala being interested in the bus business, can't see them wanting to get involved with NX coaches again, nor the the tours part of the coach business.
Plus Whittle's bus fleet is newer than Diamond's current KR age profile, particularly the E200's. The B10BLE/ALX300's would be interesting though on the X3 etc. It would certainly fill up Diamond's KR depot and link KR in with the Diamond WM network at both Stourbridge & Halesowen
I guess it depends on anyone else being interested that might be prepared to take the lot on including the depot & all coaching activities etc
Tbh,
If they [Rotala/Diamond] do buy Whittle they'd probably transfer the coach side of the business to "Flights Hallmark" @ Long Acre in Birmingham
But 'Flights Hallmark' don't get involved with holiday tours & day trips. And Rotala took NX coaches to court recently, so can't see either parties wishing to work together again anytime soon. I'm not sure how much of Whittle's coach business is private charter & contracts, I'm assuming very little.
Based on Peter Shipp's comments in the article, is doesn't sound as though EYMSare very hopeful of selling the entire business as a going concern.
Whilst it has not worked for us, it could well be that for one or more other operators perhaps based in the area, there could be some synergies which would make the operation worthwhile and we are contacting anyone we think might be interested in buying all or part of the business.
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
Just totted up if Rotala did purchase then Diamond would have a total of 50 vehicles at Kiddy (providing Diamond didn't withdraw any of the 19 vehicles Whittle currently operate)
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
Quote from: Will on October 09, 2014, 08:50:36 PM
Just totted up if Rotala did purchase then Diamond would have a total of 50 vehicles at Kiddy (providing Diamond didn't withdraw any of the 19 vehicles Whittle currently operate)
Will, I doubt it would work like that if Rotala acquired the bus business or at least not for long. Whittle's would not doubt be adsorbed in to Diamond, the number of services soon rationalized & the combined pvr reduced. The Whittle's fleet could be used to update the existing Diamond fleet and allow older MPD's to be withdrawn, or EYMS may choose to keep the 6 x 56/57 plate E200's & the B10BLE/ALX300's for it's own fleet?
KR bus station will be like ghost town if Whittle's get sold.
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
What's that Winston, are Sunny the favourite now? ;D
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 09, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
What's that Winston, are Sunny the favourite now? ;D
Sunny are 1000/1 outsider
Rapt are 3/7 favourite
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 09, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
What's that Winston, are Sunny the favourite now? ;D
Sunny are 1000/1 outsider
Rapt are 3/7 favourite
Reading my post back made me realise it made no sense at all. Like a lot of things I say.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
Why put First at 100/1. First are the masters of doing something way ward or odd. Personally I can't see Rotala buying Whittle's due to the OFT fees they had at Redditch it didn't help them at all. Sunny Travel may want to buy Whittle as it gives them a name with history of good and also a good livery to put its fleets into. I can't see Stagecoach buying it as its to far away from Gloucester and Stratford, if you lok at Stagecoach's map they have depots close together. Arriva more likely than Stagecoach as it has a base near by and a presents in the area. NX, well they sniffed at FMR RH and KR over two years ago so its likely they will have a look at Whittle. Johnson's would be another name to throw into the ring as they have ex First drivers from RH and KR I think. Abellio its to close to NX and Green Bus, RAPT they would be an outsider in my view unless you know of something we don't.
As for Independent well I throw my hat in there if I win euro millions tommorrow, if I don't then my hat is out.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 09, 2014, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 08:38:57 PM
I'm willing to give the following odds on who buys it
RAPT 3/7
Abellio 5/1
NX 30/1
stagecoach 45/1
Rotala 50/1
return to independent 60/1
Other Groups 75/1
First 100/1
Arriva 250/1
Sunny Travel 1000/1
You'll never be a book maker with those odds on the favourite!
What's that Winston, are Sunny the favourite now? ;D
Sunny are 1000/1 outsider
Rapt are 3/7 favourite
Nope, Rotala being way down at 50/1
If you could cover the bet, you could stick me down for a lump of cash on Rotala at 50/1 ;D Why does everyone suggest Abellio, they've bought no other bus businesses since acquiring Travel London from NX in 2009, they're more interested in trains.
My top 4 would be:
1. Rotala
2. RAPT
3. NX
4. Arriva
With Rotala only being interested in their bus operations
Another one for the bus business that's expanding rapidly that no-one has mentioned, WMSNT (aka Igo)?
Quote from: tank90 on October 09, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
Why put First at 100/1. First are the masters of doing something way ward or odd. Personally I can't see Rotala buying Whittle's due to the OFT fees they had at Redditch it didn't help them at all. Sunny Travel may want to buy Whittle as it gives them a name with history of good and also a good livery to put its fleets into. I can't see Stagecoach buying it as its to far away from Gloucester and Stratford, if you lok at Stagecoach's map they have depots close together. Arriva more likely than Stagecoach as it has a base near by and a presents in the area. NX, well they sniffed at FMR RH and KR over two years ago so its likely they will have a look at Whittle. Johnson's would be another name to throw into the ring as they have ex First drivers from RH and KR I think. Abellio its to close to NX and Green Bus, RAPT they would be an outsider in my view unless you know of something we don't.
As for Independent well I throw my hat in there if I win euro millions tommorrow, if I don't then my hat is out.
Another option, Diamond could just register competing services on the 125, 192 & any other bits of interest that Whittle operate commercially? Then not a lot left of the bus business for anyone to acquire & no concerns with the Oft, no doubt followed by closure.
This is the reason I behind the odds
All of this is of course pure speculation...
RAPT 3/7 - Favourite due to the fact they're on the purchase of many operators they can get. Whittles is quite similar in parts to Selwyns in that the both run bus, schools, NX Contacts and days out. They're both PTE border opeators.
Abellio 5/1 - abellio are on a high at the moment. All they need is a few provincial bus operations and a coach business and they could be the next NX Group. Plus they seem to sniff in places where NX have been (London, Scotrail, Anglia...)
NX 30/1 - Could be the potential for a way to make a New Midland Red (notice the irony in both Midland Red and NX both being controlled at one time or another from the digbeth area...) plus also provide more competition between NX and Rotala
stagecoach 45/1 - Souter has made most things work, like Magic Bus, Megabus, Chester and the Wirral so why not Worcestershire. A base in Kiddy could set stagecoach up to take on NX to the north and Rotala in Redditch.
Rotala 50/1 - synergies could be attracted here in having one operator for the town a la Redditch. But watch out as the Authorities could investigate if we don't see another City Line Travel style set up come into place.
return to independent 60/1 - possible if the Whittles founding family want to repurchase it to set themselves back up, or if some enterprising businessman wanted a challenge
Other Groups 75/1 - Not really much chance of people like go ahead or Transdev wanting a go. It would be a failure for them.
First 100/1 - loads of debt and also they seem to want to concentrate on the profitable wyvern area of Worcester and Hereford.
Arriva 250/1 - Way out of area. Non core
Sunny Travel 1000/1 - although they've been on the buying table and would buy any operator for the right price, would sunny really want Whittles?
Quote from: Winston on October 09, 2014, 10:38:31 PM
Quote from: tank90 on October 09, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
Why put First at 100/1. First are the masters of doing something way ward or odd. Personally I can't see Rotala buying Whittle's due to the OFT fees they had at Redditch it didn't help them at all. Sunny Travel may want to buy Whittle as it gives them a name with history of good and also a good livery to put its fleets into. I can't see Stagecoach buying it as its to far away from Gloucester and Stratford, if you lok at Stagecoach's map they have depots close together. Arriva more likely than Stagecoach as it has a base near by and a presents in the area. NX, well they sniffed at FMR RH and KR over two years ago so its likely they will have a look at Whittle. Johnson's would be another name to throw into the ring as they have ex First drivers from RH and KR I think. Abellio its to close to NX and Green Bus, RAPT they would be an outsider in my view unless you know of something we don't.
As for Independent well I throw my hat in there if I win euro millions tommorrow, if I don't then my hat is out.
Another option, Diamond could just register competing services on the 125, 192 & any other bits of interest that Whittle operate commercially? Then not a lot left of the bus business for anyone to acquirea & no concerns with the Oft, no doubt followed by closure.
only leaves the 7 and 580 where diamond do not run on, the 2a/2c and 15 diamond service run on a least part of the route. the 101 in bridgnorth may be more of interest to arriva as they run town services there. the only other routes I know of are school runs so they who have to be retender. that is of course if the worst happens and there Closure. which I hope not for the staff.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 09, 2014, 10:46:44 PM
This is the reason I behind the odds
All of this is of course pure speculation...
RAPT 3/7 - Favourite due to the fact they're on the purchase of many operators they can get. Whittles is quite similar in parts to Selwyns in that the both run bus, schools, NX Contacts and days out. They're both PTE border opeators.
Abellio 5/1 - abellio are on a high at the moment. All they need is a few provincial bus operations and a coach business and they could be the next NX Group. Plus they seem to sniff in places where NX have been (London, Scotrail, Anglia...)
NX 30/1 - Could be the potential for a way to make a New Midland Red (notice the irony in both Midland Red and NX both being controlled at one time or another from the digbeth area...) plus also provide more competition between NX and Rotala
stagecoach 45/1 - Souter has made most things work, like Magic Bus, Megabus, Chester and the Wirral so why not Worcestershire. A base in Kiddy could set stagecoach up to take on NX to the north and Rotala in Redditch.
Rotala 50/1 - synergies could be attracted here in having one operator for the town a la Redditch. But watch out as the Authorities could investigate if we don't see another City Line Travel style set up come into place.
return to independent 60/1 - possible if the Whittles founding family want to repurchase it to set themselves back up, or if some enterprising businessman wanted a challenge
Other Groups 75/1 - Not really much chance of people like go ahead or Transdev wanting a go. It would be a failure for them.
First 100/1 - loads of debt and also they seem to want to concentrate on the profitable wyvern area of Worcester and Hereford.
Arriva 250/1 - Way out of area. Non core
Sunny Travel 1000/1 - although they've been on the buying table and would buy any operator for the right price, would sunny really want Whittles?
I'm not sure Whittle's & KR would be of that much interest to NX due to the size of the operation/town & limited scope for expansion.
However, if NX were interested, I would have thought that it would have to been operated as a low cost unit with a similar age profile of vehicles to Diamond, might be a way to utilize some of the reserve fleet a little longer?
Bringing back the 'Midland Red' fleetname would be a good idea, although I'm not sure if anyone owns any rights to it?
Whilst any interested parties are negotiating for Whittle's, I wonder if Mr Shipp would be ready to part with EYMS if the right offer was tabled?
With regard to Whittles bus services, there isn't much to buy except for the depot and whoever buys it has the prospect of a battle with Rotala. I'm sure igo would love it- and see how Rotala has reacted to the 145- but their ownership makes the raising of a capital sum difficult. With First it would break the unofficial non-aggression pact. If Stagecoach is to have a battle with anyone, it makes sense to battle with someone like Rotala. I expect them to double the 26 into Redditch at some point. Some 'upstart' could buy it and try to do to Rotala what Rotala did to First, but surely it would start in Redditch? I do think that it does slot in a bit with Arriva from their Shropshire base. But the favourite would be Rotala who would absorb it and remove competition- it's got to be worth more to them than anyone else.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 10, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
With regard to Whittles bus services, there isn't much to buy except for the depot and whoever buys it has the prospect of a battle with Rotala. I'm sure igo would love it- and see how Rotala has reacted to the 145- but their ownership makes the raising of a capital sum difficult. With First it would break the unofficial non-aggression pact. If Stagecoach is to have a battle with anyone, it makes sense to battle with someone like Rotala. I expect them to double the 26 into Redditch at some point. Some 'upstart' could buy it and try to do to Rotala what Rotala did to First, but surely it would start in Redditch? I do think that it does slot in a bit with Arriva from their Shropshire base. But the favourite would be Rotala who would absorb it and remove competition- it's got to be worth more to them than anyone else.
think the only bit that would arriva be interest in is the 101 bridgnorth town service , and the bridgnorth section of the 125
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 10, 2014, 10:19:07 AM
With regard to Whittles bus services, there isn't much to buy except for the depot and whoever buys it has the prospect of a battle with Rotala. I'm sure igo would love it- and see how Rotala has reacted to the 145- but their ownership makes the raising of a capital sum difficult. With First it would break the unofficial non-aggression pact. If Stagecoach is to have a battle with anyone, it makes sense to battle with someone like Rotala. I expect them to double the 26 into Redditch at some point. Some 'upstart' could buy it and try to do to Rotala what Rotala did to First, but surely it would start in Redditch? I do think that it does slot in a bit with Arriva from their Shropshire base. But the favourite would be Rotala who would absorb it and remove competition- it's got to be worth more to them than anyone else.
Whittle's is/was still a £4 Million+ turnover business up to end of Dec 2013, not sure what the bus/coach split is. Whittle's don't own the depot, they rent it.
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
think the only bit that would arriva be interest in is the 101 bridgnorth town service , and the bridgnorth section of the 125
Arriva have recently closed their Bridgnorth outstation though.
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
think the only bit that would arriva be interest in is the 101 bridgnorth town service , and the bridgnorth section of the 125
Arriva have recently closed their Bridgnorth outstation though.
Doesn't matter they operate the 297 from the Telford garage now so nothing to stop them operating the 101 (which they operated previously while at B/North I'd like to add) and operate the 125 from the TF garage also
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 10:31:59 AM
think the only bit that would arriva be interest in is the 101 bridgnorth town service , and the bridgnorth section of the 125
Arriva have recently closed their Bridgnorth outstation though.
Doesn't matter they operate the 297 from the Telford garage now so nothing to stop them operating the 101 (which they operated previously while at B/North I'd like to add) and operate the 125 from the TF garage also
It's unlikely just those two routes would be available for Arriva to take on, they would no doubt have to buy the rest of the KR business to get those.
what National express services do whittles run ? and how long is the tender for ?.
another link to some more I have found about sale
http://www.busandcoach.com/newspage.aspx?id=8717&categoryid=0
little bit more in this
a press release is now on the whittles website
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/index.asp
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
what National express services do whittles run ? and how long is the tender for ?.
545 Pwllheli to London
409 Aberystwyth to London
444 Worcester to London
and it interworks with a single 410 back to Birmingham.
Contracts were awarded for 5 years from 27th June 2011.
Quote from: BN on October 10, 2014, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
what National express services do whittles run ? and how long is the tender for ?.
545 Pwllheli to London
409 Aberystwyth to London
444 Worcester to London
and it interworks with a single 410 back to Birmingham.
Contracts were awarded for 5 years from 27th June 2011.
thanks for that .
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Quote from: BN on October 10, 2014, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
what National express services do whittles run ? and how long is the tender for ?.
545 Pwllheli to London
409 Aberystwyth to London
444 Worcester to London
and it interworks with a single 410 back to Birmingham.
Contracts were awarded for 5 years from 27th June 2011.
thanks for that .
I guess what happens to these depends on how Whittles is purchased. Of course if Diamond takes over, Rotala would end up with NX Contracts again!
If the contracts weren't taken over by the new operator I guess the 410/545 diagram would transfer to Travelstar or DeCourcey (this board starts/ends in Birmingham/Walsall).
There is then a 444 diagram and a 444/409 diagram - in theory the dead mileage to Worcester is no different to the dead mileage to Stratford some DeCourcey vehicles currently take some a Birmingham based operator could take over the routes, alternatively I guess Yeomans is the nearest current operator?
This is my opinion of who I think might buy Whittles or at least part of it.
Could Buy just Whittles Coaches
Woodstones Coaches of Kidderminster
Astons Coaches
Hardings Coaches
Johnsons Coaches
Could Buy just Whittles Buses
Central Buses
Arriva
Diamond bus
Hansons bus
Could Buy both Whittle Coaches and Buses
Claribels Coaches of Birmingham
RATP Group
Management Buy Out
Ron Whittle
Quote from: LM 172 on October 10, 2014, 05:44:33 PM
This is my opinion of who I think might buy Whittles or at least part of it.
Could Buy just Whittles Coaches
Woodstones Coaches of Kidderminster Quote from: LM 172 on October 10, 2014, 05:44:33 PM
This is my opinion of who I think might buy Whittles or at least part of it.
Could Buy just Whittles Coaches
Woodstones Coaches of Kidderminster
Astons Coaches
Hardings Coaches
Johnsons Coaches
Could Buy just Whittles Buses
Central Buses
Arriva
Diamond bus
Hansons bus
Could Buy both Whittle Coaches and Buses
Claribels Coaches of Birmingham
RATP Group
Management Buy Out
Ron Whittle
Astons Coaches
Hardings Coaches
Johnsons Coaches
Could Buy just Whittles Buses
Central Buses
Arriva
Diamond bus
Hansons bus
Could Buy both Whittle Coaches and Buses
Claribels Coaches of Birmingham
RATP Group
Management Buy Out
Ron Whittle
Woodstones are to small to but whittles coach side
hardings of droitwich would be my favourite has I have seen them doing private hire in Kidderminster
Management buyout for the bus side is a no go I think as the manager is a mr d ship
diamond would be my favourite .
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 09:51:17 AM
Bringing back the 'Midland Red' fleetname would be a good idea, although I'm not sure if anyone owns any rights to it?
First Midland Red Buses (operating name on legal address) may have something to say about that in Worcestershire!!!! Kidderminster is just not big enough for 2 operators to make a profit, I would seriously doubt at the moment if Diamond are making any real profit there either. If one operator could buyout the other than it would be a decent operation but always at risk of new competition, so it is hardly going to spark a bidding war!
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
diamond would be my favourite .
And maybe by using means other than cash to force EYMS down the closure route:
http://www.diamondbuses.com/news/RecruitmentOpenDay_269.html
Quote from: j789 on October 10, 2014, 08:05:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 09:51:17 AM
Bringing back the 'Midland Red' fleetname would be a good idea, although I'm not sure if anyone owns any rights to it?
First Midland Red Buses (operating name on legal address) may have something to say about that in Worcestershire!!!! Kidderminster is just not big enough for 2 operators to make a profit, I would seriously doubt at the moment if Diamond are making any real profit there either. If one operator could buyout the other than it would be a decent operation but always at risk of new competition, so it is hardly going to spark a bidding war!
It's only the limited company name!!!! The trading name on VOSA is 'First Midland Red' but First call it 'Wyvern' Unless 'Midland Red' is a registered trading name of First, there may not be anything to stop anyone else using it.
"Midland Red" name is trademarked to Stagecoach
the MRW logo is trademarked to First Group Holding Limited (http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00001357146) but the name "Midland Red West" is no longer trademarked.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 10, 2014, 08:30:48 PM
"Midland Red" name is trademarked to Stagecoach
the MRW logo is trademarked to First Group Holding Limited (http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00001357146) but the name "Midland Red West" is no longer trademarked.
Fair enough but reputation also holds sway legally so another company could not just start in the same area with a similar name as you could argue that they were using that other companies reputation to gain custom. I don't think any company would be that daft as they would be involved in a law suit pretty quickly.
I think the best out come for Whittles would for Ron Whittle to buy the business back.
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
Damn...I was going to get my cheque book out :-)
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
That's the asking price..
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
That's the asking price..
That doesn't sound bad at all, depends what's included vehicle wise and obviously the depot isn't owned etc
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
will are you sure your source info is accrute and I know you say you will not name them , but can you just answer me this is your source from Whittles or EYMS and is that for the whole company or is the bus side and coach side being split. if as you say whittle is being sold for that amount has the deal been done then
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Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
will are you sure your source info is accrute and I know you say you will not name them , but can you just answer me this is your source from Whittles or EYMS
Peter Shipp himself...but my source has spoken with him
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
will are you sure your source info is accrute and I know you say you will not name them , but can you just answer me this is your source from Whittles or EYMS
Peter Shipp himself...but my source has spoken with him.
think your source could be at whittles a Mr D Shipp who is his son
A few more other company's that could may be buy some or part of Whittles are...
Minsterley Motors
Celtic Travel
Elcock Reisen
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 10, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Will on October 10, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
I have been told by a source that EYMS is selling Whittle for £385,000 I am not willing to reveal who told me this information.
Are you saying that a sale has been agreed for £385k or the asking price is £385k?
will are you sure your source info is accrute and I know you say you will not name them , but can you just answer me this is your source from Whittles or EYMS
Peter Shipp himself...but my source has spoken with him
I have never known an asking price as specific as that, because any company knows asking prices are guidelines and so someone then makes an offer and negotiations then settle the selling price. That is why asking prices will normally say c£400,000 not a specific figure
Quote from: LM 172 on October 11, 2014, 03:31:43 PM
A few more other company's that could may be buy some or part of Whittles are...
Minsterley Motors
Celtic Travel
Elcock Reisen
A friend of mine mentioned the company behind King Long could be interested, having recently taken over Bakers of Biddulph and Tates of Barnsley, I could see Whittles fitting in. Bakers have a coaching operation like Whittles, although don't believe either do Nat Ex work.
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
I like the Whittle colours as they are why change them.
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
Allover blue :P
It will be interesting to see how many drivers & engineers Diamond manage to poach from Whittle's during tomorrow's KR recruitment drive. Whether Diamond get Whittle's bus business or not, I would think it is highly likely that KR's depot Pvr will expand & Diamond may well register on Whittle's remaining commercial routes to derail any sale should someone they don't want in KR be interested.
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Quote from: Ced on October 11, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a converstation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
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Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a converstation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
I am unable to comment on this futher.
Quote from: Ced on October 12, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 11, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a converstation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
You mean the firm in Bristol that has never had an operator's license who had a picture of a Claribel's bus 'as part of their group'?
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2014, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 12, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 11, 2014, 10:42:57 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a converstation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
You mean the firm in Bristol that has never had an operator's license who had a picture of a Claribel's bus 'as part of their group'?
Tony, don't knock em... they're going places, they have a brand new Gemini on test and are conducting Whittle takeover talks via Twitter PMSL
https://www.facebook.com/cityfoxltd/photos/pb.589656001048868.-2207520000.1413123845./960451120636019/?type=1&theater
Quote from: Will on October 12, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
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Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a converstation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
I am unable to comment on this futher.
you need not your answer has told me all I need to know .
Quote from: Winston on October 12, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
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Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles repainted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a conversation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
You mean the firm in Bristol that has never had an operator's license who had a picture of a Claribel's bus 'as part of their group'?
Tony, don't knock em... they're going places, they have a brand new Gemini on test and are conducting Whittle takeover talks via Twitter PMSL
https://www.facebook.com/cityfoxltd/photos/pb.589656001048868.-2207520000.1413123845./960451120636019/?type=1&theater
there also know claming to have a taxi firm,and Post firm and something in rye & hastings and the have just sold a hot dog business .
Quote from: Ced on October 12, 2014, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 12, 2014, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2014, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 12, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
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Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles repainted in? Give me ideas folks!!
the traditional red and blue scheme. a lot of you would be to young to remember . think your source maybe having you on will as if another operator took over they would either chose there own livery or keep the same colours .
Will looking on the internet today especial on in twitter and face book I have found out who you source is has they openly say they are trying to make a accusation in the Birmingham area .and display a pic of a whittles bus in Kidderminster and there is a conversation on twitter between them and peter ship and the picture was taken on the 10th the day after they news broke they are the md of a firm in Bristol if I am right and only in there 20s Will am I right
You mean the firm in Bristol that has never had an operator's license who had a picture of a Claribel's bus 'as part of their group'?
Tony, don't knock em... they're going places, they have a brand new Gemini on test and are conducting Whittle takeover talks via Twitter PMSL
https://www.facebook.com/cityfoxltd/photos/pb.589656001048868.-2207520000.1413123845./960451120636019/?type=1&theater
there also know claming to have a taxi firm,and Post firm and something in rye & hastings and the have just sold a hot dog business .
Well my application checker has just authorised Mr City Fox to be a member of this forum so he will presumably answer any questions you may have ced
This was posted on the CityFox Group twitter page this morning. A photo of the inside of the Whittle depot in Kidderminster.
http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE (http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE)
Quote from: LM 172 on October 13, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
This was posted on the CityFox Group twitter page this morning. A photo of the inside of the Whittle depot in Kidderminster.
http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE (http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE)
Well lets see if Cityfox end up buying them shall we......
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2014, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on October 13, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
This was posted on the CityFox Group twitter page this morning. A photo of the inside of the Whittle depot in Kidderminster.
http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE (http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE)
Well lets see if Cityfox end up buying it them shall we......
This all looks a bit desperate to me. Given the length of time First Kiddy and Redditch were for sale, Diamond didn't exactly bite First's hand off, and they were right because no-one else did.
CityFox have appeared in these pages before......
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.75 (http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.75)
Well I would be surprised if any one takes whittles over, can see the coach side being sold to may be to Harding's and if Diamond have got any sense they would increase there presence in Kidderminster to deter any one who may have an interest.Kiddy isn't large enough to sustain 2 operators competing in my opinion.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2014, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on October 13, 2014, 10:32:31 AM
This was posted on the CityFox Group twitter page this morning. A photo of the inside of the Whittle depot in Kidderminster.
http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE (http://t.co/sDiHl3PgaE)
Well lets see if Cityfox end up buying it them shall we......
This all looks a bit desperate to me. Given the length of time First Kiddy and Redditch were for sale, Diamond didn't exactly bite First's hand off, and they were right because no-one else did.
NX were going to buy RH & KR prior to Rotala
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
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Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
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Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
Much that I like Whittles, probably the best thing for bus services in the area to all be operated by Diamond. At least it should provide enough volume of customers to maintain a network
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles repainted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
I think exactly the same tony, just the coach side taken over by someone like harris of catshill, elcocks of telford, as both do holiday tours that you can join in Kidderminster, if not them hardings,of droitwich
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
Much that I like Whittles, probably the best thing for bus services in the area to all be operated by Diamond. At least it should provide enough volume of customers to maintain a network
I agree there Tony. Kidderminster does seem too small for competition to ever be particularly useful to passengers in the long run. Interchangeability of tickets in Bewdley between say the 125 and the 2 will help passengers-presumably Diamond would try and up the frequency of the 2 if Whittle's services were rationalized. It would certainly help to link up Diamond's Black Country and Worcestershire network, at the moment linked by the 202 and would make their "Network" ticket even better value. Hopefully whatever happens, the 125 cuts will be reversed and instead something properly done to sort out reliability there.
The other interesting thing to consider is what happens to the Bewdley to Stourport link? Whittle's commercialized it and cut it out of the 15 therefore it has to be hoped either another operator is also prepared to run it commercially or WCC step in to ensure that link is maintained.
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
Much that I like Whittles, probably the best thing for bus services in the area to all be operated by Diamond. At least it should provide enough volume of customers to maintain a network
I agree there Tony. Kidderminster does seem too small for competition to ever be particularly useful to passengers in the long run. Interchangeability of tickets in Bewdley between say the 125 and the 2 will help passengers-presumably Diamond would try and up the frequency of the 2 if Whittle's services were rationalized. It would certainly help to link up Diamond's Black Country and Worcestershire network, at the moment linked by the 202 and would make their "Network" ticket even better value. Hopefully whatever happens, the 125 cuts will be reversed and instead something properly done to sort out reliability there.
The other interesting thing to consider is what happens to the Bewdley to Stourport link? Whittle's commercialized it and cut it out of the 15 therefore it has to be hoped either another operator is also prepared to run it commercially or WCC step in to ensure that link is maintained.
in answer to your question about the Bewdley to Stourport link it is now just the 2a & 2c .apart from 1 run of the 15 which is a school run . the 15 now is Kidderminster to stourport a few runs mostly it runs from Tesco stourport to various areas of stourport think Tesco might be subsiding it
The old or new Hardings have never had a interest in operating Nat Ex contracts. They now as they always have concentrate on incoming tourists and there contracts reflect this. There is very little money to be made in coaching these days.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
Much that I like Whittles, probably the best thing for bus services in the area to all be operated by Diamond. At least it should provide enough volume of customers to maintain a network
I agree there Tony. Kidderminster does seem too small for competition to ever be particularly useful to passengers in the long run. Interchangeability of tickets in Bewdley between say the 125 and the 2 will help passengers-presumably Diamond would try and up the frequency of the 2 if Whittle's services were rationalized. It would certainly help to link up Diamond's Black Country and Worcestershire network, at the moment linked by the 202 and would make their "Network" ticket even better value. Hopefully whatever happens, the 125 cuts will be reversed and instead something properly done to sort out reliability there.
The other interesting thing to consider is what happens to the Bewdley to Stourport link? Whittle's commercialized it and cut it out of the 15 therefore it has to be hoped either another operator is also prepared to run it commercially or WCC step in to ensure that link is maintained.
in answer to your question about the Bewdley to Stourport link it is now just the 2a & 2c .apart from 1 run of the 15 which is a school run . the 15 now is Kidderminster to stourport a few runs mostly it runs from Tesco stourport to various areas of stourport think Tesco might be subsiding it
That's what I thought, the 2A/C replaced the full 15 as you say the S15 is a full run and an exception to the standard daytime service. It seems likely that Tesco had some input, given the mention in the Whittle's guide.
About that, was a guide showing the 22nd September changes ever produced or an insert or something for the existing 1st September guide?
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
I think it is the threat of competition that does it. There was no upping of the frequencies in Redditch. Duplications were naturally cut out and the opportunity to improve the network was not taken. There have been reductions on the 55/56, 70, 247, and the peak hour extras on 143 have gone. The service on the 57/58 is diabolical. The 146 has been improved. I think that's a fair summary
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
I think it is the threat of competition that does it. There was no upping of the frequencies in Redditch. Duplications were naturally cut out and the opportunity to improve the network was not taken. There have been reductions on the 55/56, 70, 247, and the peak hour extras on 143 have gone. The service on the 57/58 is diabolical. The 146 has been improved. I think that's a fair summary
Services have been improved there though! The 146 is probably one of the best examples-now it has an hourly, clockface timetable that will hopefully lead to growth in attracting commuters back to the bus.
The 143, simplified and sped up, has later departures and reliability seems much improved now the route is shorter.
Services to Studley are improved in frequency.
The 55/6H is simplified and gains later and Sunday departures. If reliability improves and the service outgrows the current frequency then no doubt it can be increased again in the future.
The 57A link was re-established.
I'll agree the 70/A has been cut back considerably but especially after the WCC cuts, Diamond kept most of the old links, some newly commercialised.
Did frequencies need upping in Redditch compared to Kidderminster? Frequencies had stayed far higher there due to the bus war and anyone that took over was going to have to scale back the amount of resources being deployed there to make any money at all.
In Kidderminster, services previously every 10 mins were down to every 30 mins and so there was far more potential there I would have thought.
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
I think it is the threat of competition that does it. There was no upping of the frequencies in Redditch. Duplications were naturally cut out and the opportunity to improve the network was not taken. There have been reductions on the 55/56, 70, 247, and the peak hour extras on 143 have gone. The service on the 57/58 is diabolical. The 146 has been improved. I think that's a fair summary
Services have been improved there though! The 146 is probably one of the best examples-now it has an hourly, clockface timetable that will hopefully lead to growth in attracting commuters back to the bus.
The 143, simplified and sped up, has later departures and reliability seems much improved now the route is shorter.
Services to Studley are improved in frequency.
The 55/6H is simplified and gains later and Sunday departures. If reliability improves and the service outgrows the current frequency then no doubt it can be increased again in the future.
The 57A link was re-established.
I'll agree the 70/A has been cut back considerably but especially after the WCC cuts, Diamond kept most of the old links, some newly commercialised.
Did frequencies need upping in Redditch compared to Kidderminster? Frequencies had stayed far higher there due to the bus war and anyone that took over was going to have to scale back the amount of resources being deployed there to make any money at all.
In Kidderminster, services previously every 10 mins were down to every 30 mins and so there was far more potential there I would have thought.
The 146 is really the only example and that had to be done because First's timetable was idiotic. Buses to Brum at 0555 and then next 0855 was it? Last bus to Brum 1525 was it?
The peak-time extras on the 143 have gone. There's no 143 between 0820 and 1048 from Bromsgrove.
There were more 143s going to Studley than there are 67s. Peak-time 247s have reduced, meaning a poorer service to Studley. The idea of a better service to Studley is pure Diamond propaganda.
The 55/56 group went from being every 20 minutes each way to every half-hour, half of which are now diverted to Webheath. The Hospital has lost 4 journeys an hour (5 including the 143), so the 57A isn't much compensation. Cutting out the Hospital on half the journeys also means that the service is irregular for much of the inward route.
Surely the complaints about the 57/58 must have reached everyone's ears?
Kidderminster has improved in order to push Whittles out. Once it's gone...........
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
I think it is the threat of competition that does it. There was no upping of the frequencies in Redditch. Duplications were naturally cut out and the opportunity to improve the network was not taken. There have been reductions on the 55/56, 70, 247, and the peak hour extras on 143 have gone. The service on the 57/58 is diabolical. The 146 has been improved. I think that's a fair summary
Services have been improved there though! The 146 is probably one of the best examples-now it has an hourly, clockface timetable that will hopefully lead to growth in attracting commuters back to the bus.
The 143, simplified and sped up, has later departures and reliability seems much improved now the route is shorter.
Services to Studley are improved in frequency.
The 55/6H is simplified and gains later and Sunday departures. If reliability improves and the service outgrows the current frequency then no doubt it can be increased again in the future.
The 57A link was re-established.
I'll agree the 70/A has been cut back considerably but especially after the WCC cuts, Diamond kept most of the old links, some newly commercialised.
Did frequencies need upping in Redditch compared to Kidderminster? Frequencies had stayed far higher there due to the bus war and anyone that took over was going to have to scale back the amount of resources being deployed there to make any money at all.
In Kidderminster, services previously every 10 mins were down to every 30 mins and so there was far more potential there I would have thought.
Since Diamond have taken on all the services in Redditch it has gotten worse. Frequency and timetables and haling at bus stops doesnt mean much to some of the drivers. My route the 55 and 56 has been drasticly changed for the worse one thing it has done is got people off the bus walking and into taxis if they have the money for them. Diamond are ok if they have another operator on there back. I hate to say it if Whittle is not bought Kidderminster will suffer as at the moment Whittle can put pressure on Diamond but as soon as its gone they drop off. the only reason why Diamond increased the 146 when they did was because I and others told them about the closing of the Redditch rail way line over the summer but if we hadnt it was going to stay the same or get cut.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
I've never seen anyone have a good to thing to say about Diamond's Redditch operation. This is despite it being 18 months since being acquired and 12 months since receiving clearance from the Oft. There seems to be constant complaints about late running, unreliable services & unsuitable packed buses being used. A lot of complaints seem tocentre around the 57/58 which should be the most lucrative route. People want First back and they weren't much cop up to selling out.......
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: Will on October 13, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
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blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
What??
you Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: Will on October 11, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
I mentioned the other day that I have a source well my source has asked me if another operator took them over which it looks possible what colour scheme would people like to see the vehicles re-painted in? Give me ideas folks!!
blue with a diamond on , not blue with a animal on
You where ask about livery for your contact The livery I would like to see is blue with diamond on , I would not like to see one in blue white a animal on the side. my last word on this tony
So basically what your saying is you want Diamond to take them over??
Yep. Diamond are doing better in KR than in Redditch. I fail to see how City Fox with a hot dog business & some sort of Taxi business (if it exists) who never appear to have even run a bus company expect to take over a loss making business with a £4 million turnover in an area they don't even know & turn it around. Buying DTS with 2 buses would be a more realistic propsect.
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2014, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
I've never seen anyone have a good to thing to say about Diamond's Redditch operation. This is despite it being 18 months since being acquired and 12 months since receiving clearance from the Oft. There seems to be constant complaints about late running, unreliable services & unsuitable packed buses being used. A lot of complaints seem tocentre around the 57/58 which should be the most lucrative route. People want First back and they weren't much cop up to selling out.......
To be honest the problems in Redditch are of Diamonds own doing over previous years. People can bang on about competition all day long saying it is good for passengers but in the long run it leads to decreased services. In the MRW and early First days before the competition Redditch had a really profitable network of routes and was a good place to be a passenger. This changed with competition as the less lucrative routes went in an effort to complete on the profitable routes and they have never been replaced since. I do not think that there is now enough potential in that area to make it worthwhile investing heavily because the custom has been lost over many years so the status quo will remain. Bad for passengers and a good example of how competition is rarely a good thing in smaller areas.
Cityfox bristol limited exists
https://www.duedil.com/company/08143091/cityfox-bristol-limited
Ironically the annual returns are overdue!
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
there area only 2 areas in Kidderminster where there is compition . and in the other areas things
have improved since diamond arrived
I think it is the threat of competition that does it. There was no upping of the frequencies in Redditch. Duplications were naturally cut out and the opportunity to improve the network was not taken. There have been reductions on the 55/56, 70, 247, and the peak hour extras on 143 have gone. The service on the 57/58 is diabolical. The 146 has been improved. I think that's a fair summary
Services have been improved there though! The 146 is probably one of the best examples-now it has an hourly, clockface timetable that will hopefully lead to growth in attracting commuters back to the bus.
The 143, simplified and sped up, has later departures and reliability seems much improved now the route is shorter.
Services to Studley are improved in frequency.
The 55/6H is simplified and gains later and Sunday departures. If reliability improves and the service outgrows the current frequency then no doubt it can be increased again in the future.
The 57A link was re-established.
I'll agree the 70/A has been cut back considerably but especially after the WCC cuts, Diamond kept most of the old links, some newly commercialised.
Did frequencies need upping in Redditch compared to Kidderminster? Frequencies had stayed far higher there due to the bus war and anyone that took over was going to have to scale back the amount of resources being deployed there to make any money at all.
In Kidderminster, services previously every 10 mins were down to every 30 mins and so there was far more potential there I would have thought.
The improvements on the 146 only appeared to happen after comments on here about Diamond not using the opportunity of the Redditch rail line closure to their advantage. Similar with 002 & 4 Sunday services.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 13, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
Cityfox bristol limited exists
https://www.duedil.com/company/08143091/cityfox-bristol-limited
Ironically the annual returns are overdue!
just come across this https://twitter.com/hashtag/kidderminster?f=realtime&src=hash
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 16, 1974, 05:02:33 PM
Cityfox bristol limited exists
https://www.duedil.com/company/08143091/cityfox-bristol-limited
Ironically the annual returns are overdue!
No-one is disputing the limited company exists. It costs 100 quid to register one, I run my business as a limited company.
Try finding any records of City Fox running bus services in Bristol or an operator license. Couldn't even find any record of a private hire license(but didn't waste much time looking)......
How many ptofessional businesses show their interests/intentions via Facebook & Twitter???
I know about setting up limited companies myself as well (my site as per the signature is run through a limited company itself too) but I just thought I'd make it noted that there seems to be a limited company in their name and the outlook for them looks interesting...
Quote from: Ced on October 13, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 13, 2014, 06:49:13 PM
Cityfox bristol limited exists
https://www.duedil.com/company/08143091/cityfox-bristol-limited
Ironically the annual returns are overdue!
just come across this https://twitter.com/hashtag/kidderminster?f=realtime&src=hash
The Header Photo on Twitter of the person who posted what you are referring to is a picture of a CityFox bus supposedly going over the Mill Pond Bridge in Pembroke in South West Wales.
Quite clearly CityFox do not operate any buses in Pembroke, so how much else of this is pure fantasy as well? ???
I'm sure it was established previously that CityFox is a fantasy company, created for a university project.
We went through all this before when they claimed they had taken over Claribels. They will not be acquiring Whittles, not in 'real-life' anyway.
Looking at the Webcheck facility at the Companies House website, the status of Cityfox Bristol Limited (Company No 08143091) is Active - Proposal to Strike Off.
I suppose this very public way of selling Whittles is required for employee consultation reasons because it might actually just close down, but all the publicity will be doing the coach side no good because people won't book and employees will start jumping ship. If only it could have been done with a few discreet feelers to likely buyers.
might I make a suggestion the md of city fox is now a member of this forum , I might be nice for him to post on
here. what the city fox group is about and what companies they have and his plans for whittles in the future if
they are luck enough. to be the buyers and to answer members question, in the general discussion section so
city fox md it over to you
Quote from: Ced on October 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
might I make a suggestion the md of city fox is now a member of this forum , I might be nice for him to post on
here. what the city fox group is about and what companies they have and his plans for whittles in the future if
they are luck enough. to be the buyers and to answer members question, in the general discussion section so
city fox md it over to you
We'll may be someone could try to contact him via his Twitter page and ask him if he would answer some questions about his company on this site?
Quote from: Ced on October 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
might I make a suggestion the md of city fox is now a member of this forum , I might be nice for him to post on
here. what the city fox group is about and what companies they have and his plans for whittles in the future if
they are luck enough. to be the buyers and to answer members question, in the general discussion section so
city fox md it over to you
Oh, please do. I'm in desperate need of a good laugh!
This was just put on CityFox Group twitter page. Something about they are looking for a general manager at Kidderminster.
http://t.co/lvuSN0DBjM
This tweet had now been removed from their twitter page.
Quote from: LM 172 on October 14, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
This tweet had now been removed from their twitter page.
It would appear they haven't bought it then!
I've just been looking on Streetview at the registered office of the company: Top Floor 49 Hanham Road Kingswood Bristol BS15 8PY. From the numbers of other properties, 49 appears to be the Kingswood Café, and there's definitely a window in the roof. Obviously a modest office.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
And 'you folk' are quite wrong. My journeys on the 3 have become quite problematic since a lack of competition from Whittle. The phrase not really bothered comes to mind.
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 13, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
In Kidderminster, services previously every 10 mins were down to every 30 mins and so there was far more potential there I would have thought.
Which ones are you referring to?
Quote from: StourportSam on October 14, 2014, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
And 'you folk' are quite wrong. My journeys on the 3 have become quite problematic since a lack of competition from Whittle. The phrase not really bothered comes to mind.
They do still have competition on the 3 though in the form of the 2C. Are you saying that the 2A/C have failed to take off and really compete with Diamond?
Well the whole of the Kidderminster town network really. In Redditch, the 51/5/6/7/8 had always stayed frequent. In Kidderminster, frequencies on the 2 and even 3 had been reduced in recent years. Wyre Forest Shuttle services many years ago were far more frequent, admittedly using smaller buses, many at every 10 mins.
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 15, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on October 14, 2014, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 13, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
You folk at Kiddy have yet to meet Diamond where they have no competition. See Redditch.
And 'you folk' are quite wrong. My journeys on the 3 have become quite problematic since a lack of competition from Whittle. The phrase not really bothered comes to mind.
They do still have competition on the 3 though in the form of the 2C. Are you saying that the 2A/C have failed to take off and really compete with Diamond?
Well the whole of the Kidderminster town network really. In Redditch, the 51/5/6/7/8 had always stayed frequent. In Kidderminster, frequencies on the 2 and even 3 had been reduced in recent years. Wyre Forest Shuttle services many years ago were far more frequent, admittedly using smaller buses, many at every 10 mins.
the 2A/2C are only competition to the 3 between Kidderminster and stouport as they do not go to areley kings is where the 3 finishes
they are also more competition to the 2 as they have been rererouted through habberley .
anyone heard more news on the sale ?
diamond are holding another recruitment day sunday at Kidderminster
Quote from: Ced on October 16, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
anyone heard more news on the sale ?
diamond are holding another recruitment day sunday at Kidderminster
In the halesowen news there is an article on 192
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 16, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 16, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
anyone heard more news on the sale ?
diamond are holding another recruitment day sunday at Kidderminster
In the halesowen news there is an article on 192
What about the 192?
Anything new from the fantasy bus operator yet or is he still resting after his tour of the depot?
Quote from: justlookingaround on October 17, 2014, 02:53:15 PM
Anything new from the fantasy bus operator yet or is he still resting after his tour of the depot?
we will have to wait and if you notice on one of my pervious post as he his a member of this forum
in which I said to him about coming on here to answer members question we will have to see if he does.
also said the same to him on twtiter
Quote from: Winston on October 16, 2014, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 16, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 16, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
anyone heard more news on the sale ?
diamond are holding another recruitment day sunday at Kidderminster
In the halesowen news there is an article on 192
What about the 192?
"50 will lose jobs if buses finish"
The bulk of it is a quote from Peter Shipp
https://www.flickr.com/gp/101550299@N05/094890
Quote from: N94 on October 17, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 16, 2014, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 16, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: Ced on October 16, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
anyone heard more news on the sale ?
diamond are holding another recruitment day sunday at Kidderminster
In the halesowen news there is an article on 192
What about the 192?
"50 will lose jobs if buses finish"
The bulk of it is a quote from Peter Shipp
https://www.flickr.com/gp/101550299@N05/094890
that is just a small article the Kidderminster papers have a bigger one if you go to the whittles website there is a full press statement on there from peter ship .
anyone heard of a buyer coming forward. other than you know who
I hope Whittle survives for the sake of the staff, the routes and the history. Stratford, a much smaller town than Kidderminster, manages to sustain Stagecoach and Johnsons.
If Whittles doesn't survive, I hope the routes do. Expect the County Council will step in for a time with temporary contracts, but don't suppose they will want to pay more than now. On Shropshire's website it says that there was only one tender for the 125 (and incidentally only two for Arriva's 297). Despite the lack of interest, it seems that the subsidy is already too close to the bone.
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 21, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
I hope Whittle survives for the sake of the staff, the routes and the history. Stratford, a much smaller town than Kidderminster, manages to sustain Stagecoach and Johnsons.
If Whittles doesn't survive, I hope the routes do. Expect the County Council will step in for a time with temporary contracts, but don't suppose they will want to pay more than now. On Shropshire's website it says that there was only one tender for the 125 (and incidentally only two for Arriva's 297). Despite the lack of interest, it seems that the subsidy is already too close to the bone.
but with Stratford being on the international tourist map that makes a big difference to numbers carried on buses
Quote from: Ced on October 21, 2014, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 21, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
I hope Whittle survives for the sake of the staff, the routes and the history. Stratford, a much smaller town than Kidderminster, manages to sustain Stagecoach and Johnsons.
If Whittles doesn't survive, I hope the routes do. Expect the County Council will step in for a time with temporary contracts, but don't suppose they will want to pay more than now. On Shropshire's website it says that there was only one tender for the 125 (and incidentally only two for Arriva's 297). Despite the lack of interest, it seems that the subsidy is already too close to the bone.
but with Stratford being on the international tourist map that makes a big difference to numbers carried on buses
I accept that tourists make a difference, though I don't see many on the 26 to Redditch. It's just that you Kiddy folk make it sound that Kidderminster is hopelessly small in the middle of Nowhere, like Tenbury Wells.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 21, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 21, 2014, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on October 21, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
I hope Whittle survives for the sake of the staff, the routes and the history. Stratford, a much smaller town than Kidderminster, manages to sustain Stagecoach and Johnsons.
If Whittles doesn't survive, I hope the routes do. Expect the County Council will step in for a time with temporary contracts, but don't suppose they will want to pay more than now. On Shropshire's website it says that there was only one tender for the 125 (and incidentally only two for Arriva's 297). Despite the lack of interest, it seems that the subsidy is already too close to the bone.
but with Stratford being on the international tourist map that makes a big difference to numbers carried on buses
I accept that tourists make a difference, though I don't see many on the 26 to Redditch. It's just that you Kiddy folk make it sound that Kidderminster is hopelessly small in the middle of Nowhere, like Tenbury Wells.
it might has well be there are only two large places you can get to which are Redditch and Worcester by bus with a hourly service and when I said about numbers on buses at stratford I was meaning around the town and to place where they are staying not Redditch as I did not know there was a service from redditch
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 21, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
2 months to leave people dangling..... & just before Xmas, nice!
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 21, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
2 months to leave people dangling..... & just before Xmas, nice!
there already leaving . I feel sorry for some drivers who have not long left diamond to go and work for whittle, just had a thought was it not around this time last year that EYMS announced they where selling finglands .
Quote from: Ced on October 21, 2014, 11:47:40 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 21, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
2 months to leave people dangling..... & just before Xmas, nice!
there already leaving . I feel sorry for some drivers who have not long left diamond to go and work for whittle, just had a thought was it not around this time last year that EYMS announced they where selling finglands .
Due to on-going uncertainty/Diamond recruitment campaigns, you'll probably find staff will leave in their droves leaving Whittle's unable to provide services and ultimately force closure of the business.
The Finglands sales was announced during early August, not sure when it was put up for sale.
Western Greyhound are having similar problems in Cornwall and appear to be on a downward spiral.
Has anyone heard if any other company's have showed interest in buying Whittles. I do already know about CityFox but has there been anyone else?
So that's zero so far then.
The trouble is whittles don't really have anything anyone really wants & the price is far too high for what they have got.
Sunny travel did have a brief look but the price would have to be much lower.
not as far as I know , according to whats been in papers there are supposed to be a couple of interested parties , but personal I think they will close by end of the year. papers refer to whittles being a historical firm. but to me, whittles as it is now has only been going since 2004.
Quote from: Ced on October 21, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
not as far as I know , according to whaacceptable papers there w are supposed to be a couple of interested parties , but personal I think they will close by end of the year. papers refer to whittles being a historical firm. but to me, whittles as it is now has only been going since 2004.
Cedric,
The trouble is 'a couple of interesed parties' doesn't necessarily mean a firm offer will be received that is acceptable to EYMS. CityFox are an interesed party.....
I'd think drivers would expect/hope to know well in advance of then-the article referred to EYMS consulting over the weeks to come, not months to come. I think for all parties a speedy sale would be by far the best thing, not only for drivers but also for EYMS who would want to concentrate efforts on their main Yorkshire business, not to mention passengers uncertain about their local bus routes.
Quote from: Ced on October 21, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
not as far as I know , according to whats been in papers there w are supposed to be a couple of interested parties , but personal I think they will close by end of the year. papers refer to whittles being a historical firm. but to me, whittles as it is now has only been going since 2004.
Winston
I realize that just quoiting from EYMS press realease
Will or Stourport Sam
have any of you seen 163 about lately I have not seen it, wonder what will happen to it as in the EYMS fleet list it is shown as on loan to whittles
here are two links showing that http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/fleet-list?intselectedpage=2
and strangely whittles are still advertiseing for drivers some hope of people appling http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/career.asp
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 21, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
2 months to leave people dangling..... & just before Xmas, nice!
Presumably that is the earliest possible date after statutory staff consultation?
Quote from: mikestone on October 22, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2014, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 21, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
apparently drivers will be told at the latest by 20/12/2014 what's happening, this coming from a source which my boss knows...
2 months to leave people dangling..... & just before Xmas, nice!
Presumably that is the earliest possible date after statutory staff consultation?
No idea, if EYMS are in active discussions with a buyer I would hope they would agree a deal asap & announce to staff to remove the uncertainty, with Diamond's on-going re-recruitment drive the longer it drags on more staff will leave, Whittle's may then be unable to operate it's services and closure is forced upon it.
Quote from: Winston on October 22, 2014, 10:59:06 AM
No idea, if EYMS are in active discussions with a buyer I would hope they would agree a deal asap & announce to staff to remove the uncertainty, with Diamond's on-going re-recruitment drive the longer it drags on more staff will leave, Whittle's may then be unable to operate it's services and closure is forced upon it.
I struggle to see why anyone would want to buy it. Whittles ops fall into three categories:
a) Tour work
b) NatEx contracts
c) Local stage work
All three categories share one common demominator, that being there's very little potential profit to be had in this case. Tour work being high-risk, the NatEx contracts can be negligible profit wise - before you factor in the unreliability of the Levante's, & as for stage work in Kidderminster, forget it. The fares are ridiculously cheap due to competition. It should therefore come as no shock to hear EYMS have been losing hand over fist.
The only real value of the Company is, as Ced(?) pointed out, the history behind the name. But you can't trade a profit on that these days.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 22, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 22, 2014, 10:59:06 AM
No idea, if EYMS are in active discussions with a buyer I would hope they would agree a deal asap & announce to staff to remove the uncertainty, with Diamond's on-going re-recruitment drive the longer it drags on more staff will leave, Whittle's may then be unable to operate it's services and closure is forced upon it.
I struggle to see why anyone would want to buy it. Whittles ops fall into three categories:
a) Tour work
b) NatEx contracts
c) Local stage work
All three categories share one common demominator, that being there's very little potential profit to be had in this case. Tour work being high-risk, the NatEx contracts can be negligible profit wise - before you factor in the unreliability of the Levante's, & as for stage work in Kidderminster, forget it. The fares are ridiculously cheap due to competition. It should therefore come as no shock to hear EYMS have been losing hand over fist.
The only real value of the Company is, as Ced(?) pointed out, the history behind the name. But you can't trade a profit on that these days.
I'm already aware of Whittle's trading losses and that they have grown significantly between Dec 2012 & Dec 2013 (latest published accounts). At best the NX contracts will either be handed back, the coach business may find a buyer or just the name & Goodwill/ tours, private hire & contracts order book. The only value that bus business has is to Diamond to add to it's KR network. As Diamond has shown it's hand via it's recruitment drive, I suspect that Diamond all piling on the pressure by trying to recruit Whittle's staff to force closure, therefore, the stage carriage work that is of interest to Diamond (125 & 192) can be picked up F.O.C by simply registering on former Whittle's routes, the tendered work will no doubt then follow by default.
latest news on whittles http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11554075.Staff_exodus_puts_bus_fears_under_threat/hittles
Quote from: Ced on October 23, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
latest news on whittles http://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/11554075.Staff_exodus_puts_bus_fears_under_threat/hittles
Not really a surprise.... Whittle's will end up closing and Diamond will pick up the routes they wants for nothing.
Not surprised thought it would happen like this, shame to lose an established company like whittles.
this is more than likely just coinsdense Harding's are advertising the various services they do in the local Kidderminster paper which I have never seen on before . and the first time for a long while woodstones have as well.
Quote from: Ced on October 23, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
this is more than likely just coinsdense Harding's are advertising the various services they do in the local Kidderminster paper which I have never seen on before . and the first time for a long while woodstones have as well.
Possibly not a coincidence, no doubt the vultures are waiting to pounce on the coach side as well......
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
The depot is leased but I guess the modern vehicles would be welcome at any EYMS depot...
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Quote from: Ced on October 24, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Cedric, it doesn't sound like it. Closure now seems the most likely, with Diamond picking up the pieces on the bus side. What's the betting we see a new registration on the 125 & 192 soon from Diamond following it's recruitment drive......?
any one know if city fox are really interested as I can not find any reference to any service
any where they run nor a registration of any route in any traffic area , or a operators licence
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 24, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Cedric, it doesn't sound like it. Closure now seems the most likely, with Diamond picking up the pieces on the bus side. What's the betting we see a new registration on the 125 & 192 soon from Diamond following it's recruitment drive......?
I would think that Arriva might well want to take over the 125 rather than Diamond as Arriva have some presents in both Bridgnorth and Stourbridge. If Diamond was to take over the 125 would this mean they may take over the 101 Bridgnorth town service as well then?
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 24, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Cedric, it doesn't sound like it. Closure now seems the most likely, with Diamond picking up the pieces on the bus side. What's the betting we see a new registration on the 125 & 192 soon from Diamond following it's recruitment drive......?
I would think that Arriva might well want to take over the 125 rather than Diamond as Arriva have some presents in both Bridgnorth and Stourbridge. If Diamond was to take over the 125 would this mean they may take over the 101 Bridgnorth town service as well then?
I expect Diamond would want to take over everything that Whittle's currently operate to consolidate their position & prevent anyone expanding within Kidderminster
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 24, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Cedric, it doesn't sound like it. Closure now seems the most likely, with Diamond picking up the pieces on the bus side. What's the betting we see a new registration on the 125 & 192 soon from Diamond following it's recruitment drive......?
I would think that Arriva might well want to take over the 125 rather than Diamond as Arriva have some presents in both Bridgnorth and Stourbridge. If Diamond was to take over the 125 would this mean they may take over the 101 Bridgnorth town service as well then?
I expect Diamond would want to take over everything that Whittle's currently operate to consolidate their position prevent anyone expanding within Kidderminster
except the 101 which would be giving them just 1 route in Shropshire and it is just a town service so that one think arriva may just rejig there services around bridgnorth to cover it
will
have you seen 163 about lately , there seam to be a few I have not seen for a while , and I think they
are now struggling to maintain the services as 2 Saturday last month I went to catch the last 2a to bewdley
and they did not show nor the 2c, driver have left and gone to diamond, and travel star European , and
even left the industry for other work
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ced on October 24, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 24, 2014, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on October 23, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 23, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Maybe showing that openly announcing a business is up for sale is never a good idea?
It's suicide.... they should have approached other interested parties and kept it all confidential/even with staff until such time that they had a firm offer on the table or had decided the only option was closure. Who's going to want to buy anything now? They may as well wait for it to all come crashing down and pick up the pieces they want for free or a token amount.
Especially when you admit it will shut if there's no sale! Who's going to push for a sale now when they can just sit back and wait or recruit their staff?!
Alternately, you can sell your assets (property / vehicles etc) & minimise exposure to redundancy payments. Not such a bad move after all.
Dave, I see where you're coming from, but other than it's fleet, Whittle's doesn't appear to have many assets other than it's fleet, order book, name & goodwill and we don't actually what liabilities they have. The 6 x Levante's will no doubt be on operating leases, as with the Finglands sale, EYMS may prefer to retain the fleet to update its own, they may well opt to do the same with Whittle's coach & bus fleet. From seeing Peter Shipp in 'On the Yorkshire Buses' I can't help feel he's just a genuinely nice bloke and cares about all his staff, EYMS Group is more than just about money to him, he doesn't come across as profit driven.
Anyone who's done any length of service at Whittle's would be daft to defect to Diamond/others, they should stay put & wait for the redundancy payout at least.
Winston quite a few Staff have already left or leaving soon. do not think there are that many that have done a great length of service on the bus side , think a few on the coach side have. do not think it will before the end comes , think it will be soon than people think (just my view)
Cedric, it doesn't sound like it. Closure now seems the most likely, with Diamond picking up the pieces on the bus side. What's the betting we see a new registration on the 125 & 192 soon from Diamond following it's recruitment drive......?
I would think that Arriva might well want to take over the 125 rather than Diamond as Arriva have some presents in both Bridgnorth and Stourbridge. If Diamond was to take over the 125 would this mean they may take over the 101 Bridgnorth town service as well then?
I expect Diamond would want to take over everything that Whittle's currently operate to consolidate their position & prevent anyone expanding within Kidderminster
Diamond at the moment have got a big shortage of long buses and these kind of buses are needed to operate services like the 125 and 192. How can Diamond run the 125 and 192 services on MPDs if Whittle's is not purchased.
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
Diamond at the moment have got a big shortage of long buses and these kind of buses are needed to operate services like the 125 and 192. How can Diamond run the 125 and 192 services on MPDs if Whittle's is not purchased.
Exactly the same way they currently do, i.e. allocating MPD's on unsuitable services.....
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
Diamond at the moment have got a big shortage of long buses and these kind of buses are needed to operate services like the 125 and 192. How can Diamond run the 125 and 192 services on MPDs if Whittle's is not purchased.
Exactly the same way they currently do, i.e. allocating MPD's on unsuitable services.....
So if Arriva did get the 125 and 192 Whittle's services would they be better than Diamond running them?
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2014, 05:07:58 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 03, 2014, 05:01:13 PM
Diamond at the moment have got a big shortage of long buses and these kind of buses are needed to operate services like the 125 and 192. How can Diamond run the 125 and 192 services on MPDs if Whittle's is not purchased.
Exactly the same way they currently do, i.e. allocating MPD's on unsuitable services.....
even whittle use MPD & E200 some of time , in answer to your question about Arriva being any better than diamond at running the 125/192
do not think so as all companies are suffering the same challenges at the moment. (do not know much about arriva though) the only bit I could see the may do was if the 125 was spilt to just bridgnorth to Kidderminster as it always was
I'm surprised Hansons haven't started a Kidderminster to Stourbridge service to compete against/replace the Whittles 125.
Or Diamond extending every other 142 down to Kidderminster?
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 03, 2014, 05:54:26 PM
I'm surprised Hansons haven't started a Kidderminster to Stourbridge service to compete against/replace the Whittles 125.
Or Diamond extending every other 142 down to Kidderminster?
you never know what might happen, think we should get some idea soon
as companies interested in doing anything with the whittle routes will have to
put registrations in soon
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 15-Dec-2014.
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 15-Dec-2014.
Those new services didn't last long
johnsons coaches have now started advertising holidays from Kidderminster in todays local papers
as well as hardings .
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 15-Dec-2014.
The section between Stourport and Bewdley will definitely need replacing, so will Diamond step in commercially or will Worcestershire CC have to subsidise...
Quote from: D10 on November 06, 2014, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 15-Dec-2014.
The section between Stourport and Bewdley will definitely need replacing, so will Diamond step in commercially or will Worcestershire CC have to subsidise...
Diamond have moved extra buses in to KR, so why not take the opportunity to add to its own existing services/register new with the addition of potential frequency increases etc
Quote from: D10 on November 06, 2014, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
PD1030553/83 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Kidderminster Town Hall and Kidderminster Town Hall given service number 2A/2C effective from 15-Dec-2014.
The section between Stourport and Bewdley will definitely need replacing, so will Diamond step in commercially or will Worcestershire CC have to subsidise...
Simple answer is no Diamond won't they're not interested in the 2A/C I've been told that by a driver friend of mine so it looks as if Worcs CC will have to come up with something very quickly!!
Well they've got over a month! Whittles haven't gone bust.
I imagine the 15 would regain the section between Stourport and Bewdley and be re-tendered.
Did anyone on here use this bit of the 2A/C to see how it was doing?
I don't imagine Diamond would want the 2A/C as it is unnecessarily confusing for passengers.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Well they've got over a month! Whittles haven't gone bust.
I imagine the 15 would regain the section between Stourport and Bewdley and be re-tendered.
Did anyone on here use this bit of the 2A/C to see how it was doing?
I don't imagine Diamond would want the 2A/C as it is unnecessarily confusing for passengers.
Yes I have! On the last 2 occasions that I have been on the late afternoon 2C service they're has only been ME as a passenger!! so it can't make much revenue
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Well they've got over a month! Whittles haven't gone bust.
I imagine the 15 would regain the section between Stourport and Bewdley and be re-tendered.
Did anyone on here use this bit of the 2A/C to see how it was doing?
I don't imagine Diamond would want the 2A/C as it is unnecessarily confusing for passengers.
doubt if the 15 would regain the stourport bewdley section as now just some runs (not sure how many) go from Kidderminster to stourport
most of if runs go to tescos stourport from different parts of the town . with the 2a it gets most people using it from Kidderminster to bewdley
and stourport to Kidderminster, and the 2c is the same but in reverse. the 7 is well used as are the 125 and 192. can not say about the 580 as it is only twice a day I have not seen much, and with the 101 being up in bridgnorth know nothing about it the only other service I know about are school ones
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Well they've got over a month! Whittles haven't gone bust.
I imagine the 15 would regain the section between Stourport and Bewdley and be re-tendered.
Did anyone on here use this bit of the 2A/C to see how it was doing?
I don't imagine Diamond would want the 2A/C as it is unnecessarily confusing for passengers.
doubt if the 15 would regain the stourport bewdley section as now just some runs (not sure how many) go from Kidderminster to stourport
most of if runs go to tescos stourport from different parts of the town . with the 2a it gets most people using it from Kidderminster to bewdley
and stourport to Kidderminster, and the 2c is the same but in reverse. the 7 is well used as are the 125 and 192. can not say about the 580 as it is only twice a day I have not seen much, and with the 101 being up in bridgnorth know nothing about it the only other service I know about are school ones
Thanks for info Will and Ced!
Yes, the 2A does better as it competes with the Diamond 2 which doesn't seem that regular-that corridor should be able to support more than 2 Diamond buses per hour.
Whereas the 2C is trying to compete with the 3 from Kidderminster town hall when there's pretty much always one sat on stand loading.
I agree the 7 when I have seen it has had decent loadings vs the 15. I know only 1/2 journeys now continue to Bewdley but re-instating those as before would be the easiest way of keeping the Bewdley to Stourport link with a frequency that matches demand.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 03:08:37 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Well they've got over a month! Whittles haven't gone bust.
I imagine the 15 would regain the section between Stourport and Bewdley and be re-tendered.
Did anyone on here use this bit of the 2A/C to see how it was doing?
I don't imagine Diamond would want the 2A/C as it is unnecessarily confusing for passengers.
doubt if the 15 would regain the stourport bewdley section as now just some runs (not sure how many) go from Kidderminster to stourport
most of if runs go to tescos stourport from different parts of the town . with the 2a it gets most people using it from Kidderminster to bewdley
and stourport to Kidderminster, and the 2c is the same but in reverse. the 7 is well used as are the 125 and 192. can not say about the 580 as it is only twice a day I have not seen much, and with the 101 being up in bridgnorth know nothing about it the only other service I know about are school ones
Thanks for info Will and Ced!
Yes, the 2A does better as it competes with the Diamond 2 which doesn't seem that regular-that corridor should be able to support more than 2 Diamond buses per hour.
Whereas the 2C is trying to compete with the 3 from Kidderminster town hall when there's pretty much always one sat on stand loading.
I agree the 7 when I have seen it has had decent loadings vs the 15. I know only 1/2 journeys now continue to Bewdley but re-instating those as before would be the easiest way of keeping the Bewdley to Stourport link with a frequency that matches demand.
just looked on the whittle timetable page to check there ar only 2 journies between stourport and bewdley and they are school days only a bit of the 2a/2c that is not covered by the 2 is the Queensway estate in bewdley
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Google search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
think it will more than likely be the 2 altered to run around the Queensway estate in bewdley as it used too before the 2A/2C went around there
as for bewdley to stourport section of the 2a/2c think it will just be dropped
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
think it will more than likely be the 2 altered to run around the Queensway estate in bewdley as it used too before the 2A/2C went around there
as for bewdley to stourport section of the 2a/2c think it will just be dropped
Would it be a big diversion or not? The 2 is currently close to an hour round trip as it is so they'd be limited in what they could do without increasing the PVR by 1.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
think it will more than likely be the 2 altered to run around the Queensway estate in bewdley as it used too before the 2A/2C went around there
as for bewdley to stourport section of the 2a/2c think it will just be dropped
Would it be a big diversion or not? The 2 is currently close to an hour round trip as it is so they'd be limited in what they could do without increasing the PVR by 1.
not that big diversion it maybe even quicker
instead of going on to the main road at catchmes end and having to go up to traffic island and do a double run on same bit of road to divert to run through the Queensway is only a right turn of the road it comes along and it comes out by the church on the main road. unless you are from the area or use the 2 group of routes. you will not really know the Queensway
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
think it will more than likely be the 2 altered to run around the Queensway estate in bewdley as it used too before the 2A/2C went around there
as for bewdley to stourport section of the 2a/2c think it will just be dropped
Would it be a big diversion or not? The 2 is currently close to an hour round trip as it is so they'd be limited in what they could do without increasing the PVR by 1.
not that big diversion it maybe even quicker
instead of going on to the main road at catchmes end and having to go up to traffic island and do a double run on same bit of road to divert to run through the Queensway is only a right turn of the road it comes along and it comes out by the church on the main road. unless you are from the area or use the 2 group of routes. you will not really know the Queensway
No, I was going to say I'm not from the area and when I catch the 2 I get off in Bewdley anyway.
Would that diversion leave parts currently served un-served or not really?
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 06, 2014, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
Steve
Presumably it is the 2 group that Diamond could alter to cover them? Do you mean divert it to serve an estate the 2A/C currently does or extend the route to Stourport?
WCC would have to look at the 7/15/192 routes as WCC support those?
Is the bidder not interested in the bus side//competing with Diamond?
think it will more than likely be the 2 altered to run around the Queensway estate in bewdley as it used too before the 2A/2C went around there
as for bewdley to stourport section of the 2a/2c think it will just be dropped
Would it be a big diversion or not? The 2 is currently close to an hour round trip as it is so they'd be limited in what they could do without increasing the PVR by 1.
not that big diversion it maybe even quicker
instead of going on to the main road at catchmes end and having to go up to traffic island and do a double run on same bit of road to divert to run through the Queensway is only a right turn of the road it comes along and it comes out by the church on the main road. unless you are from the area or use the 2 group of routes. you will not really know the Queensway
No, I was going to say I'm not from the area and when I catch the 2 I get off in Bewdley anyway.
Would that diversion leave parts currently served un-served or not really?
just a little bit of the main road where the 2 turns left to got to the traffic island to come back down think it only two stops that would not be severed
Had a look on traveline's maps.
As I see it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but:
Diamond 2/L miss out Queensway by continuing on the main road.
Whittle's 2A/C diverts to serve it.
If Diamond sent the 2 through Queensway then the main road would still have the 125/2L serving it anyway.
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road. Then you could have 2 buses per hour going to Hales Park direct and the other two going to Bark Hill.
Then you'd keep existing links and speed up journeys for people going all the way round Hales Park when they live on Richmond Road/Lyttleton Road.
People from Hales Park going into Kidderminster wouldn't have to go through Bark Hill either, speeding up their journeys.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Had a look on traveline's maps.
As I see it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but:
Diamond 2/L miss out Queensway by continuing on the main road.
Whittle's 2A/C diverts to serve it.
If Diamond sent the 2A/C through Queensway then the main road would still have the 125 serving part of it anyway.
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road. Then you could have 2 buses per hour going to Hales Park direct and the other two going to Bark Hill.
Then you'd keep existing links and speed up journeys for people going all the way round Hales Park when they live on Richmond Road/Lyttleton Road.
People from Hales Park going into Kidderminster wouldn't have to go through Bark Hill either, speeding up their journeys.
you are correct but none of them come down the main Kidderminster to bewdley road as the divert at Kidderminster hospital an run around habberley estate more often than not one about 2mins behind , and as for going around hales park and bark hill it hardly makes a difference in journey time except when the main road down in to bewdley is busy. I go to bewdley a lot and have friends there and say they would rather have 2 buses an hour that that turn up than 4 buses an hour where some do not turn up. in those figure I have not included the 2L, or 125 or 291 , . a couple of weeks ago I caught a 2l to bewdley and when we got to load street at the stop was the 2l/ 2A/2c all at the same time
and on the other side of the road there was a 125 a 2a
I believe it's the Queensway that diamond have agreed to serve as that's one of the only concerns wcc have.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 07, 2014, 11:15:24 AM
I believe it's the Queensway that diamond have agreed to serve as that's one of the only concerns wcc have.
Steve
diamond and first 2 used to serve the Queensway before the previous whittles 2a/2c came in to being .
and to severe the bewdley stourport section of the 2a/2c the X3 could always carry on from Kidderminster
hospital instead of turning left to go on to the main stourport road in to bewdley go round the church
and then go along the route of the 2a/2c it would probably be quicker than going along the main Kidderminster
stourport road as the road is far less busy. like the 334/300 did on a sunday Cedric
Cedric
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Google search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Google search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
WHITTLE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Google search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
from what I can make out that was just a possibility it was going to
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
that's the 15th of decmember from what was on the vosa site the other day
Quote from: Steveminor on November 06, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I have it on good authority the 2A/C will finish on 17th November. Diamond are altering a service slightly to cover part of it but wcc are not looking to tender it out. There is a bid for Whittles at the moment but the council are preparing for a worst case scenario.
According to traveline? journey planner reached through Network West Midlands, the 2A/C is stopping this Friday 14/11/14.
PD1030553/80 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between BRIDGNORTH GROVE ESTATE and BRIDGNORTH SYDNEY COTTAGE DRIVE given service number 101 effective from 17-Nov-2014.
Well there isn't going to be a lot left of them this time next week then ::)
Hopefully operators will be allowed to continue/start these services under short notice so as passengers aren't left unable to travel.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 10, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Well there isn't going to be a lot left of them this time next week then ::)
Hopefully operators will be allowed to continue/start these services under short notice so as passengers aren't left unable to travel.
think some one could be lined up for the 101. part of a answer to post of mine of whittle facebook page
on the 15th Dec as indicated is that we will stop running the 2A/2C service. It is also likely that the 101 Bridgnorth town service will be run by a different operator from 17 Nov
Quote from: Ced on November 10, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 10, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Well there isn't going to be a lot left of them this time next week then ::)
Hopefully operators will be allowed to continue/start these services under short notice so as passengers aren't left unable to travel.
think some one could be lined up for the 101.
Probably Arriva
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 10, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 10, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Well there isn't going to be a lot left of them this time next week then ::)
Hopefully operators will be allowed to continue/start these services under short notice so as passengers aren't left unable to travel.
think some one could be lined up for the 101.
Probably Arriva
you are more than likely right will as the have the majority of work in bridgnorth
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Google search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
WHITTLE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD
No, because if they had the news would have been released to the stock exchange, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't agreed to buy them on a set date subject to various financial checks, and that information needn't have been released to anyone.
At least one of the editors of one of the trade magazines believes a buyer is lined up and journalists normally have better information than people living in their own fantasy world (That does not refer to you, Will)
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Goggle search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
WHITTLE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD
No, because if they had the news would have been released to the stock exchange, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't agreed to buy them on a set date subject to various financial checks, and that information needn't have been released to anyone.
At least one of the editors of one of the trade magazines believes a buyer is lined up and journalists normally have better information than people living in their own fantasy world (That does not refer to you, Will)
hope it does not refer to me either tony. as all information I have sent is what I have seen in print or given to me by realibe sources that I know . the only things that have been wrong is ones about city fox I got fooled by them
Quote from: Ced on November 10, 2014, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Goggle search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
WHITTLE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD
No, because if they had the news would have been released to the stock exchange, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't agreed to buy them on a set date subject to various financial checks, and that information needn't have been released to anyone.
At least one of the editors of one of the trade magazines believes a buyer is lined up and journalists normally have better information than people living in their own fantasy world (That does not refer to you, Will)
hope it does not refer to me either tony. as all information I have sent is what I have seen in print or given to me by realibe sources that I know . the only things that have been wrong is ones about city fox I got fooled by them
No, not you either Ced, but you post is a clue!
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 10, 2014, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 10, 2014, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: tank90 on November 06, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Interesting that someone on Midland Red net has said he/she believes that Whittle have been sold to a firm in North Shropshire. Now after doing a Goggle search I find GHA Coaches and they have a chappy from Diamond who moved to Your Bus and is now at GHA. If it is GHA I think Whittle would do well and Diamond might have a wee problem.
But that is if it is true.
Has anyone else heard any more about this firm from North Shropshire who have apparently saved/brought Whittles at some point in last few weeks? :)
WHITTLE HAS NOT BEEN SOLD
No, because if they had the news would have been released to the stock exchange, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't agreed to buy them on a set date subject to various financial checks, and that information needn't have been released to anyone.
At least one of the editors of one of the trade magazines believes a buyer is lined up and journalists normally have better information than people living in their own fantasy world (That does not refer to you, Will)
hope it does not refer to me either tony. as all information I have sent is what I have seen in print or given to me by realibe sources that I know . the only things that have been wrong is ones about city fox I got fooled by them
No, not you either Ced, but you post is a clue!
got you. i have been pm Winston with certain things i did not know if it was ok to post on here ,
What's the last day for Whittles 2A/2C services? :)
Quote from: LM 172 on November 11, 2014, 07:22:15 AM
What's the last day for Whittles 2A/2C services? :)
put this link on for you to see travel line had made a error this has only just gone on whittles website
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/bus.asp
Quote from: Will on November 10, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 10, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 10, 2014, 01:43:37 PM
Well there isn't going to be a lot left of them this time next week then ::)
Hopefully operators will be allowed to continue/start these services under short notice so as passengers aren't left unable to travel.
think some one could be lined up for the 101.
Probably Arriva
From Monday 17 November Whittles will no longer operate the 101 Bridgnorth Town Service. This will be taken over in the short term by Arriva.
for more info on whittles click on link in my previous post to LM172
Anyone got any more updates on Whittle's?
Quote from: LM 172 on November 12, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Anyone got any more updates on Whittle's?
no more info yet keep looking on here and the whittle website.
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/bus.asp
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/index.asp
I believe you live in the area if you do keep a eye out it local papers
The withdrawal of the 2A/2C is basical down to number of staff leaving and due to these
being the ones that use most staff these are going to try to keep the others running
to time. Will & Sam there is a article in this weeks shuttle about this , anyone who
can get hold of a copy it is a length article and worth reading nothing in it about
the 101 because that is out of the papers area
cedric
What is The 192A?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
What is The 192A?
It's a variation of the 192 that diverts to cover the 197 that was withdrawn in the WCC changes
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
What is The 192A?
It's a variation of the 192 that diverts to cover the 197 that was withdrawn in the WCC changes
Thanks, never seen it before
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
What is The 192A?
It's a variation of the 192 that diverts to cover the 197 that was withdrawn in the WCC changes
Thanks, never seen it before
never seen displayed on vehicles
yet another company from a nearby town is advertising holiday tours for 2015 in local paper never done it before that makes 3
now it is bowens from Halesowen I have never heard of them from there the only bowens I have heard of was from tamworth I think it was.
and they closed down, do not know if there is any connection between them both ?
Quote from: Ced on November 13, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
What is The 192A?
It's a variation of the 192 that diverts to cover the 197 that was withdrawn in the WCC changes
Thanks, never seen it before
never seen displayed on vehicles
yet another company from a nearby town is advertising holiday tours for 2015 in local paper never done it before that makes 3
now it is bowens from Halesowen I have never heard of them from there the only bowens I have heard of was from tamworth I think it was.
and they closed down, do not know if there is any connection between them both ?
It's a Thandi company I believe
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 14, 2014, 12:27:02 AM
Quote from: Ced on November 13, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 05:01:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 13, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
What is The 192A?
It's a variation of the 192 that diverts to cover the 197 that was withdrawn in the WCC changes
Thanks, never seen it before
never seen displayed on vehicles
yet another company from a nearby town is advertising holiday tours for 2015 in local paper never done it before that makes 3
now it is bowens from Halesowen I have never heard of them from there the only bowens I have heard of was from tamworth I think it was.
and they closed down, do not know if there is any connection between them both ?
It's a Thandi company I believe
Thandi bought the 'Bowens' name when Bowens Group collapsed in to administration, so definitely not the same Bowen's you remember, only by name!
just found this noted the date it is when the 2a/2c finishes
is it replacement for the bewdley stourport section of 2A/2c
Worcestershire County Council
Route: 16
Operating Between: Stourport Tesco and Load Street, Bendley
Application to register received: 07/11/2014
Effective Date: 15/12/2014
any know if any more routes are going to be dropped soon ,
Quote from: Ced on November 17, 2014, 10:45:07 PM
any know if any more routes are going to be dropped soon ,
I'm sure we'll find out in due course - we can't expect daily updates and there's no point in wishing the company to close down.
I was on the 125 today - newly recruited happy driver, clean bus 164, ran on time etc. Considering both companies are going through a similar process it presented a stark contrast to Western Greyhound who I had the pleasure of using last week visiting family in Cornwall - knackered MPDs with no destination equipment and very tired interiors, services not turning up, rude (or just over-harassed by passengers) drivers, etc.
Whittle are doing the sensible thing by scaling down their operations to what they can manage with driver shortages - removing the 101 which involved a lot of dead mileage for bus and driver positioning and removing the 2A + 2C a loss making service with comparatively high PVR of 4. I believe unless there is now a further mass exodus of staff to Diamond or elsewhere (i.e. a lot of the long term staff not just ones who have generally been with the company for a year or two) we will see the operations stay the same until decision time in December.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road.
I think from memory this is what First operated up until around 2010/11 when they ran a joint 2/2A service with good frequency. I might add that Dennis Lances were used too. Of course, that was back in the halcyon days when there were subsided evening services to Bewdley until 2300 and buses on Sundays (my oh my, sounds like fantasy in this time of austerity doesn't it!).
To confirm a post which I can't find now from I think Ced - Y214 HWJ was still in service a week or two ago.
The PVR can only be about 11 now with an extra spare at Kidder bus station. Unless there have been/are going to be withdrawals or transfers back to East Yorkshire the fleet is still 20 strong.
PVR will be just 7 when the 2A and 2C finish - that means its halved in the past 3 months (PVR of 14 pre-September).
Quote from: StourportSam on November 18, 2014, 01:59:25 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road.
I think from memory this is what First operated up until around 2010/11 when they ran a joint 2/2A service with good frequency. I might add that Dennis Lances were used too. Of course, that was back in the halcyon days when there were subsided evening services to Bewdley until 2300 and buses on Sundays (my oh my, sounds like fantasy in this time of austerity doesn't it!).
sam
it was before first days that the bewdley service ran till 23.00 and then it went till about 20.00 now it is about 18.00
Quote from: StourportSam on November 18, 2014, 02:19:08 AM
To confirm a post which I can't find now from I think Ced - Y214 HWJ was still in service a week or two ago.
The PVR can only be about 11 now with an extra spare at Kidder bus station. Unless there have been/are going to be withdrawals or transfers back to East Yorkshire the fleet is still 20 strong.
PVR will be just 7 when the 2A and 2C finish - that means its halved in the past 3 months (PVR of 14 pre-September).
it was my post sam seen 163 since but not for a while stil suppose they all will be goning soon
looks like the end is 3/1/15 seen next post
7. PD1030553/7 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge BS and Bridgnorth, Stanmore given service number 125 effective from 05-Jan-2015
8. PD1030553/64 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Kidderminster and Kidderminster given service number 7 effective from 05-Jan-2015.
9. PD1030553/76 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Franche Road and Wolverley CE School given service number 831 effective from 05-Jan-2015.
10. PD1030553/77 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourport High Street and Halesowen BS given service 192 effective from 05-jan-2015
11. PD1030553/78 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and BEWDLEY LOAD STREET given service number S15/15 effective from 05-Jan-2015.
12. PD1030553/79 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between KIDDERMINSTER BUS STATION and KINVER BROCKLEYS WALK given service number 580 effective from 05-Jan-2015.
13. PD1030553/85 - WHITTLE COACH & BUS LTD, FOLEY BUSINESS PARK STOURPORT ROAD, KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Cancellation Accepted by SN: Operating between Chaddesley Corbett and Wolverley CE School given service number 833 effective from 05-Jan-2015.
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
That only leaves the national express routes
But suppose they will have. gone by then
Quote from: Ced on November 18, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
That only leaves the national express routes
But suppose they will have. gone by then
They're registered to NX coaches, not the sub contractor
Quote from: Ced on November 18, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 18, 2014, 01:59:25 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road.
I think from memory this is what First operated up until around 2010/11 when they ran a joint 2/2A service with good frequency. I might add that Dennis Lances were used too. Of course, that was back in the halcyon days when there were subsided evening services to Bewdley until 2300 and buses on Sundays (my oh my, sounds like fantasy in this time of austerity doesn't it!).
sam
it was before first days that the bewdley service ran till 23.00 and then it went till about 20.00 now it is about 18.00
Whittle ran subsidised services to Bewdley on the 2 definitely in 2009/10. First tickets were accepted on these services. I think the services were scrapped after the major changes in September 2011, the first round of WCC cuts. I have the timetable somewhere if you would like proof!
Quote from: StourportSam on November 18, 2014, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 18, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 18, 2014, 01:59:25 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 06, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Unless, frequency of the 2 was doubled. You then get 2 BPH through Queensway, 2 stick to main road.
I think from memory this is what First operated up until around 2010/11 when they ran a joint 2/2A service with good frequency. I might add that Dennis Lances were used too. Of course, that was back in the halcyon days when there were subsided evening services to Bewdley until 2300 and buses on Sundays (my oh my, sounds like fantasy in this time of austerity doesn't it!).
sam
it was before first days that the bewdley service ran till 23.00 and then it went till about 20.00 now it is about 18.00
Whittle ran subsidised services to Bewdley on the 2 definitely in 2009/10. First tickets were accepted on these services. I think the services were scrapped after the major changes in September 2011, the first round of WCC cuts. I have the timetable somewhere if you would like proof!
Sam
Sorry forgot all about that one cedric
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
Very sad news indeed, but it was becoming more and more inevitable. Hopefully Kidderminster, Stourport and Bewdley will be better off with one main operator.
Looks like a round of emergency WCC tenders then - the only concern is if Rotala deem the services tendered not commercially viable and don't bid as Simon Dunn hinted with the 16.
the 830/31/33 school service where only pick up in September after reorganisation of school service which where run both by diamond and whittle jointly .
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 18, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
That only leaves the national express routes
But suppose they will have. gone by then
They're registered to NX coaches, not the sub contractor
Winston,
I'm positive DeCourcey will go for the 444, 409 diagram. Maybe even the 545 run too and have all the old crew back.
Quote from: BN on November 18, 2014, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 18, 2014, 06:04:03 PM
That only leaves the national express routes
But suppose they will have. gone by then
They're registered to NX coaches, not the sub contractor
Winston,
I'm positive DeCourcey will go for the 444, 409 diagram. Maybe even the 545 run too and have all the old crew back.
Thanks BN,
Have DeCourcey even got much spare capacity left at Miller St?
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
Quote from: LM 172 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
I second that^^
Quote from: LM 172 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
Where they don't have a proper base? Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm hoping Diamond decide to run as much as possible that stacks up commercially and fits in with the wider network, ultimately benefitting passengers.
Quote from: Will on November 18, 2014, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
I second that^^
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 18, 2014, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
Where they don't have a proper base? Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm hoping Diamond decide to run as much as possible that stacks up commercially and fits in with the wider network, ultimately benefitting passengers.
did hear a while ago that arriva where think about finishing on the 297 with the coming from telford or is it srewsbury is it ?
anyone heared if the coach side has been sold or been kept going or just closed down
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 18, 2014, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on November 18, 2014, 09:09:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Looks like closure of Whittle's bus business at least is set for 5th Jan.
No doubt Diamond will pick up the 125 & 192 at least, those two routes will link KR routes with their WM services
I am still hope in that Arriva will pick up the 125 rather than Diamond. Then Arriva have full control of Bridgnorth services which makes more sense.
Come on Arriva don't let me down now save us from Rotala Vill!
Where they don't have a proper base? Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm hoping Diamond decide to run as much as possible that stacks up commercially and fits in with the wider network, ultimately benefitting passengers.
As I don't live in the Kidderminster area, it's perhaps cheeky of me to say, but I feel that Diamond is a very competitive company-see how it's driven Green Bus off the 62 and is trying to do the same to igo on the 145/149 - even on what are non-viable services. I think a company like First is different. Diamond was born out of competition and equally it needs some competition to keep it up to the mark. Simon Dunn has said that no application has been made regarding the reduction of the 2 though I think the Council have been talking to Diamond about Wribbenhall and the other services in the area and it's obviously been an idea floating around. So I think some presence from a company like Arriva would be beneficial- Diamond would always be on its toes. True, Diamond has cut my 247 to two-hourly from hourly- incidentally Worcestershire Council hasn't even noticed that the service between two Worcestershire Towns has reduced- now someone like Johnsons would I'm sure be delighted to run an hourly service, but of course Diamond would drive them off the road
The last whittles holiday tour for 2014 returns to Kidderminster on the 2/1/15
yet the day and theatre trips are list April 2015 , I wonder if the coach side
will run till April . ?
Just seen a comment on facebook about Johnsons taking over part of Whittles. I'm assuming that will be the coach side of operations?
Quote from: Gareth on November 19, 2014, 03:58:50 PM
Just seen a comment on facebook about Johnsons taking over part of Whittles. I'm assuming that will be the coach side of operations?
where abouts on facebook was that, you could be right. I know something that might be happing on the bus side
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: Gareth on November 19, 2014, 03:58:50 PM
Just seen a comment on facebook about Johnsons taking over part of Whittles. I'm assuming that will be the coach side of operations?
where abouts on facebook was that, you could be right. I know something that might be happing on the bus side
Oh yes Cedric?... Do tell I'm very eager to know anything...
The comment is also on the Johnsons thread in this forum
just seen 2 pictures on a face book page
2 EYMS open toppers in whittles yard
tonight
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Will they be green.and white diamond then or will they
Go back to eyms. 💎
Quote from: Will on November 19, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Highly unlikely Diamond KR will end up with any of the Whittle's fleet, the E200's especially are too new & will no doubt return to EYMS.
Diamond could always looks to acquire Whittle's 03 & 04 plate full size Darts to boost numbers though
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: Will on November 19, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Highly unlikely Diamond KR will end up with any of the Whittle's fleet, the E200's especially are too new & will no doubt return to EYMS.
Diamond could always looks to acquire Whittle's 03 & 04 plate full size Darts to boost numbers though
No and tbh I hope they don't either because Simon Dunn would no doubt probably transfer the Enviros to Redditch and then give the preposterous claim that "they're to good to be used in Kidderminster" like he has said many times in relation to Centros & Volvo's coming here
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: Will on November 19, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Highly unlikely Diamond KR will end up with any of the Whittle's fleet, the E200's especially are too new & will no doubt return to EYMS.
Diamond could always looks to acquire Whittle's 03 & 04 plate full size Darts to boost numbers though
No and tbh I hope they don't either because Simon Dunn would no doubt probably transfer the Enviros to Redditch and then give the preposterous claim that "they're to good to be used in Kidderminster" like he has said many times in relation to Centros & Volvo's coming here
It's not that they are too good for KR, it is that the revenue/profit generated from KR routes can't support the vehicles such as those. This is why old Darts are the mainstay of the KR fleet.
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: Will on November 19, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Highly unlikely Diamond KR will end up with any of the Whittle's fleet, the E200's especially are too new & will no doubt return to EYMS.
Diamond could always looks to acquire Whittle's 03 & 04 plate full size Darts to boost numbers though
No and tbh I hope they don't either because Simon Dunn would no doubt probably transfer the Enviros to Redditch and then give the preposterous claim that "they're to good to be used in Kidderminster" like he has said many times in relation to Centros & Volvo's coming here
It's not that they are too good for KR, it is that the revenue/profit generated from KR routes can't support the vehicles such as those. This is why old Darts are the mainstay of the KR fleet.
Winston,
What you have said is correct.
Simon
Quote from: Simon Dunn on November 20, 2014, 06:25:30 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 20, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
Quote from: Will on November 19, 2014, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 11:03:34 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 19, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
So come on ced what you heard about whittles. You can't leave us all hanging like this.
I afraid I can not say anything because I was told not to disclose anything, but I will say this bit as it is not realey saying it much but I will just say this one thing if it is 100% right .buses will not be caught up in traffic jams on the road back to the depot after at night or after there duties are finished the will be parking up near b&q that's all I can realey say . and please no one else ask
Not too far from Island Drive then :P
no to far
As of early Jan there will be no Whittle's buses.
No because they will all be "Diamond" [cough cough]....
Highly unlikely Diamond KR will end up with any of the Whittle's fleet, the E200's especially are too new & will no doubt return to EYMS.
Diamond could always looks to acquire Whittle's 03 & 04 plate full size Darts to boost numbers though
No and tbh I hope they don't either because Simon Dunn would no doubt probably transfer the Enviros to Redditch and then give the preposterous claim that "they're to good to be used in Kidderminster" like he has said many times in relation to Centros & Volvo's coming here
It's not that they are too good for KR, it is that the revenue/profit generated from KR routes can't support the vehicles such as those. This is why old Darts are the mainstay of the KR fleet.
Winston,
What you have said is correct.
Simon
But as you've always said Simon you and your team review everything at all times. So if things pick up at Kidderminster in the future I am sure Diamond will change Vechicals according to profits and revenue going up.
the following vehicle was transferred to EYMS in april but never left whittles and as shown of the latest EYMS fleet list it is only on loan
and still use whittles fleet number on there list so with the 101 finished it may have gone or be going to Yorkshire soon
163 Y214 HWJ 2001 Dennis Dart SLF 10.7m Plaxton Pointer Loan to Whittles
here is a link to the EYMS fleetlist page http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
the following vehicle was transferred to EYMS in april but never left whittles and as shown of the latest EYMS fleet list it is only on loan
and still use whittles fleet number on there list so with the 101 finished it may have gone or be going to Yorkshire soon
163 Y214 HWJ 2001 Dennis Dart SLF 10.7m Plaxton Pointer Loan to Whittles
Why on earth would EYMS want a knackered 13-year old vehicle back...
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
the following vehicle was transferred to EYMS in april but never left whittles and as shown of the latest EYMS fleet list it is only on loan
and still use whittles fleet number on there list so with the 101 finished it may have gone or be going to Yorkshire soon
163 Y214 HWJ 2001 Dennis Dart SLF 10.7m Plaxton Pointer Loan to Whittles
Why on earth would EYMS want a knackered 13-year old vehicle back...
Will I have amend my posted with a link to there fleet list as you will see it is newer than some on the list ,
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
the following vehicle was transferred to EYMS in april but never left whittles and as shown of the latest EYMS fleet list it is only on loan
and still use whittles fleet number on there list so with the 101 finished it may have gone or be going to Yorkshire soon
163 Y214 HWJ 2001 Dennis Dart SLF 10.7m Plaxton Pointer Loan to Whittles
Why on earth would EYMS want a knackered 13-year old vehicle back...
Will I have amend my posted with a link to there fleet list as you will see it is newer than some on the list ,
Oh well I'll Tweet them and ask...
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 11:40:03 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: Will on November 20, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 20, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
the following vehicle was transferred to EYMS in April but never left whittles and as shown of the latest EYMS fleet list it is only on loan
and still use whittles fleet number on there list so with the 101 finished it may have gone or be going to Yorkshire soon
163 Y214 HWJ 2001 Dennis Dart SLF 10.7m Plaxton Pointer Loan to Whittles
Why on earth would EYMS want a knackered 13-year old vehicle back...
Will I have amend my posted with a link to there fleet list as you will see it is newer than some on the list ,
Oh well I'll Tweet them and ask...
already done that will the to eyms enthusiast's site which has helped before with a query it is maintained by some one from eyms
Quote from: Ced on November 19, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
just seen 2 pictures on a face book page
2 EYMS open toppers in whittles yard
tonight
found out why the are down here , it is to do with the stourport 3 kings parade which is part of the Christmas lights switch on , one is due to take part in the parade , and there are open top bus rides around the town ,do not know the second one is doing that. or its come down as a spare, wonder if they have come down with two drivers to take two buses back, they will need someone on the upper deck to supervise as the roads in some parts are narrow
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
409 is that's the whittles route to London from aberwristwith (think I got the spelling wrong)
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
Will that is very interesting if it is correct, but they should still have a few of that type coach as there are 07 regs in coach livery nos 22 ,83
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
Quote from: BN on November 22, 2014, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
did not think they had given them up just yet. A BIG IF the coach side is sold would the new owner be able to take over the running of these service ?
Quote from: BN on November 22, 2014, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
For the past three weeks or so, the 410/545 diagram has been operated by Whittles but crewed by drivers from Llew Jones.
Quote from: notepanel on November 22, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: BN on November 22, 2014, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
For the past three weeks or so, the 410/545 diagram has been operated by Whittles but crewed by drivers from Llew Jones.
Quote from: notepanel on November 22, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: BN on November 22, 2014, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
For the past three weeks or so, the 410/545 diagram has been operated by Whittles but crewed by drivers from Llew Jones.
Is that Jones from market drayton
Quote from: Ced on November 22, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: notepanel on November 22, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
For the past three weeks or so, the 410/545 diagram has been operated by Whittles but crewed by drivers from Llew Jones.
Is that Jones from market drayton
There is no operator called Jones in Shropshire.
It is Llew Jones Limited from Llanwrst
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 22, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: notepanel on November 22, 2014, 05:29:32 PM
For the past three weeks or so, the 410/545 diagram has been operated by Whittles but crewed by drivers from Llew Jones.
Is that Jones from market drayton
There is no operator called Jones in Shropshire.
It is Llew Jones Limited from Llanwrst
. Thanks for. That tony
Quote from: Ced on November 22, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: BN on November 22, 2014, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2014, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Will on November 21, 2014, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on November 21, 2014, 10:04:02 PM
I believe the 409 to London had to terminate at Birmingham coach station today as there was no driver to take it to London
If it's right will they have to pay a penalty
Well if I'm correct in thinking Whittle's haven't got the National Express contracts or in fact the Caetano Levante Coaches anymore and haven't had so for well over 3 weeks or more so I'm not entirely sure who's operating the contracts or who indeed now has the vehicles @Tony can you shed some light?
I saw one with Whittles legals still on this week
Whittles are still running the services.
did not think they had given them up just yet. A BIG IF the coach side is sold would the new owner be able to take over the running of these service ?
To be fair there isn't a lot involved in running the X-country services. The 409 and 545 lads live in Aber and Phwelli and both services driver change in Brum.
They are easy services to run.
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Well obviously the fueller at Whittle obviously didn't put enough fuel in them both last night makes you wonder how many others he hasn't put enough in
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Will one was 168 and the other was a 03 reg one . there seamed to be a few people in hi viz vest on around one had eyms logo on do you get free express and star today there is a short statement from david shipp on front page . see what you think of it
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 03:21:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Will one was 168 and the other was a 03 reg one . there seamed to be a few people in hi viz vest on around one had eyms logo on do you get free express and star today there is a short statement from david shipp on front page . see what you think of it
Yeah I read it - do you think those buses might be going/have gone back to East Yorkshire perhaps??
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 03:21:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Will one was 168 and the other was a 03 reg one . there seamed to be a few people in hi viz vest on around one had eyms logo on do you get free express and star today there is a short statement from david shipp on front page . see what you think of it
Yeah I read it - do you think those buses might be going/have gone back to East Yorkshire perhaps??
would not like to say realey . but the 101 has finished and the 2a/2c are finishing very soon so less routes run less buses needed, they maybe going north
but if they are included in any sale they maybe staying
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Well obviously the fueller at Whittle obviously didn't put enough fuel in them both last night makes you wonder how many others he hasn't put enough in
I very much doubt that is the problem
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2014, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Well obviously the fueller at Whittle obviously didn't put enough fuel in them both last night makes you wonder how many others he hasn't put enough in
I very much doubt that is the problem
Why?
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 03:53:40 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2014, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 27, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Quote from: Will on November 27, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on November 27, 2014, 02:34:18 PM
2 whittles buses where at Tesco filling station today getting diesel which seam strange .
My god! That is perculiar I didn't know they could do that
Of course you can as long as the forecourt is big enough, no different to filling up a HGV & in the case of the double deckers that the canopy is high enough
Well obviously the fueller at Whittle obviously didn't put enough fuel in them both last night makes you wonder how many others he hasn't put enough in
I very much doubt that is the problem
Why?
If more than one bus is filling up at a fuel station part way through the day I would strongly suspect that there has been a supply problem and the depot has no fuel. I am not going to speculate on a reason for that, it could be many, but is far more likely than someone not, filling the buses properly. If that was the case a company would normally swap buses with another from the depot, or send tham back to the depot to be filled
Would you be able to summarise the statement on here please Ced, we don't get the Express and Star in Areley Kings.
Quote from: StourportSam on November 27, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Would you be able to summarise the statement on here please Ced, we don't get the Express and Star in Areley Kings.
Sam,
What's your name on Facebook as I have taken a picture of the Whittle thing out of the Express & Star I have tried uploading it on here but it's too big so if you want to read it I can send it you via Facebook if that's alright with you pm me on here
Quote from: StourportSam on November 27, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
Would you be able to summarise the statement on here please Ced, we don't get the Express and Star in Areley Kings.
Sam I have just sent you a personal message with the main part of the article
163 and 169 both still in use yesterday.
I have not seen any ALX 300s in use for a week or two, just Darts and Enviro 200s. Has anyone seen 173-176 in use recently?
Quote from: StourportSam on November 30, 2014, 01:03:09 PM
163 and 169 both still in use yesterday.
I have not seen any ALX 300s in use for a week or two, just Darts and Enviro 200s. Has anyone seen 173-176 in use recently?
Yes, I saw a Volvo (don't ask which one) on Friday night coming along Chester Road North displaying "192 Stourport, via Kidderminster" so they are being used
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Tis a shame Diamond can't take a leaf out of there book
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Tis a shame Diamond can't take a leaf out of there book
The next question now is who will take over the Kidderminster - Bridgnorth section of the 125?
Please be ARRIVA! :)
Quote from: LM 172 on December 01, 2014, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Tis a shame Diamond can't take a leaf out of there book
The next question now is who will take over the Kidderminster - Bridgnorth section of the 125?
Please be ARRIVA! :)
Notice the use of the word closure .so. It does look as this is the end. Of whittles
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Tis a shame Diamond can't take a leaf out of there book
Quote from: LM 172 on December 01, 2014, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 01, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Will on December 01, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 01, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
for new operator of Kidderminster Stourbridge section of the 125 click link
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/4January.aspx
that makes for interesting reading shame that they won't be any threat to Diamond
They'll be operating the newest buses in to KR
Tis a shame Diamond can't take a leaf out of there book
The next question now is who will take over the Kidderminster - Bridgnorth section of the 125?
Please be ARRIVA! :)
maybe centeral will tender for the Kidderminster bridgnorth section with WCC/SCC whoever it is that does the tender .
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
They ay gone yet mate :P
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
Reece to me being a lot older than your self the real Whittles ended in 2004
when Ronald Whittle sold out to East Yorkshire . you and Will are probably to young to remember when they changed 99% of
the fleet every year.
Quote from: Will on December 02, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
They ay gone yet mate :P
there not here for much longer
Quote from: Ced on December 02, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
Reece to me being a lot older than your self the real Whittles ended in 2004
when Ronald Whittle sold out to East Yorkshire . you and Will are probably to young to remember when they changed 99% of
the fleet every year.
Ced do you think Whittle Coach & Bus would still be going strong now if Ronald Whittle had not sold out to EYMS Group in 2004?
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 02, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 02, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Whittle Coach & Bus the end of an era 1929 - 2015 :'(
Reece to me being a lot older than your self the real Whittles ended in 2004
when Ronald Whittle sold out to East Yorkshire . you and Will are probably to young to remember when they changed 99% of
the fleet every year.
Ced do you think Whittle Coach & Bus would still be going strong now if Ronald Whittle had not sold out to EYMS Group in 2004?
Reece with the current fincal situation of the country it is hard to say but I think they may have been because it was mainly coach holidays , day trips , private hire , on the bus side they only had the 125 bridgnorth to highley daily service in Kidderminster there where quite a few market day and school services , they had some in bridgnorth but not sure on exactly what and in ludow as well . and a big contract with the MOD to take work to the raf maintance site around hartlbury area,
Do we know what operator will take over the 192?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 02, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
Do we know what operator will take over the 192?
No information yet on the 192, or who will be the operator on the remainder of the routes
and also nothing on the Kidderminster Bridgnorth section of the 125
Are the B10BLE's still in use?
Quote from: Will on December 03, 2014, 12:00:37 AM
Quote from: Ashley on December 02, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
Are the B10BLE's still in use?
Yes
Yes can confirm Will is right, there was one in KR bus station Monday.
look on diamond board under Kidderminster service revision ,
could be replacements for whittle routes
According to latest Bus & Coach buyer, all staff have been issued with redundancy notices with varying end dates.
It's looking as though the NX coach wok c/w coaches may move elsewhere
They are still in talks with two other interested parties regarding the coach side.
exactly the info I was told, think it is a complte shut down though . as far as my friends know there is no one interested in the firm my one friend has left and the other one is going on holiday one the 11th and there is no job when he comes back, would not have minded read the article you talked about but unable to get up online
I can confirm 163 (Y214 HWJ) is still in Kiddy (as I suspected) just seen it go past my house on Offmore, Kidderminster operating the 833 (Wolverley High School - Chaddesley Corbett) school contract.
Quote from: Will on December 04, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
I can confirm 163 (Y214 HWJ) is still in Kiddy (as I suspected) just seen it go past my house on Offmore, Kidderminster operating the 833 (Wolverley High School - Chaddesley Corbett) school contract.
saw it to will and saw it on the 2c this morning . it is still listed on the EYMS site as been transfered from whittle in april, but on loan to whittle now . even thought it is classed as such we know it never left here or if it did just for a very short time before it came back
Anyone know what is happening to the coach side of the business ?
Quote from: moley67 on December 04, 2014, 08:04:57 PM
Anyone know what is happening to the coach side of the business ?
Take a look at post 960 on this board it will give you some idea
it is different to what I knew
Quote from: Will on December 04, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
I can confirm 163 (Y214 HWJ) is still in Kiddy (as I suspected) just seen it go past my house on Offmore, Kidderminster operating the 833 (Wolverley High School - Chaddesley Corbett) school contract.
Will just seen on EYMS the former 162 that transferred up there in april , has now been repainted and renumbered it had been operating in whittles livery
and kept it whittles fleet number now it has the number 334 , which was it's number original eyms number
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 04, 2014, 03:41:46 PM
I can confirm 163 (Y214 HWJ) is still in Kiddy (as I suspected) just seen it go past my house on Offmore, Kidderminster operating the 833 (Wolverley High School - Chaddesley Corbett) school contract.
Will just seen on EYMS the former 162 that transferred up there in april , has now been repainted and renumbered it had been operating in whittles livery
and kept it whittles fleet number now it has the number 334 , which was it's number original eyms number
I've just read that myself how strange! It's taken them until now (December 2014) to decide to re-paint it and re-instate it back in service after it left Kidderminster earlier this year how bizzare
Will I wonder if the former 161 that went up there will get the same treatment, it did get the front end painted in the EYMS colours if I remember right , ?
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 03:22:07 PM
Will I wonder if the former 161 that went up there will get the same treatment, it did get the front end painted in the EYMS colours if I remember right , ?
No as that has been up for sale since at least October and it is now in plain white if you have a look on Flickr you will see it on there in plain white it looks lovely tbh
Y214 HWJ on the 833 again just seen it go past my house on Offmore.
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I have been told by a friend of mine that Bennetts Coaches of Gloucester might be taking on one of Whittles NX routes. :)
if Bennettts do take one of the NX routes think it would more than likely be this one 444 Worcester-London as not to far away the other routes are
ones the go into north wales
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Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
Quote from: Will on December 05, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
When you say everything has been transferred will do you jus mean the NX work on it's own ? or with coaching side as well ? or even the bus siae as well , and with where you say it is has NX WESTMIDS taken it over
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 05, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
We'll that has surprised me!
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 05, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
Trainbasher
do not mind me asking where did you hear /see this . could not really see them getting the 7 as it is a local that goes in the countryside, the 192 maybe
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 05, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
Trainbasher
do not mind me asking where did you hear /see this . could not really see them getting the 7 as it is a local that goes in the countryside, the 192 maybe
It's what I've heard from a couple of Frankley depot drivers plus a couple of other people.
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Will on December 05, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
When you say everything has been transferred will do you jus mean the NX work on it's own ? or with coaching side as well ? or even the bus siae as well , and with where you say it is has NX WESTMIDS taken it over
It is just NX Coach diagrams. Nothing else is going to NXWM.
Whittle Bus Routes/Services To Date Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 15
7: WMSNT/igo
15: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
101: Arriva
125: ? (Kidderminster - Bridgnorth) Section
125: Central Buses (Kidderminster - Stourbridge) Section
192: WMSNT/igo
580: ? (Kidderminster - Kinver)
Not 100% about 7 and 192 going to WMSNT/igo at the moment.
Hope this list helps make service changes at Whittle a bit more clear. :)
Quote from: D10 on December 05, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Will on December 05, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
When you say everything has been transferred will do you jus mean the NX work on it's own ? or with coaching side as well ? or even the bus siae as well , and with where you say it is has NX WESTMIDS taken it over
It is just NX Coach diagrams. Nothing else is going to NXWM.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services To Date Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 15
7: WMSNT/igo
15: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
101: Arriva
125: ? (Kidderminster - Bridgnorth) Section
125: Central Buses (Kidderminster - Stourbridge) Section
192: WMSNT/igo
580: ? (Kidderminster - Kinver)
Not 100% about 7 and 192 going to WMSNT/igo at the moment.
Hope this list helps make service changes at Whittle a bit more clear. :)
The 2a/2C have also been partly placed in another part of the route by the 2 and the 15 WCC on (oridgreanly shown as going 16) between bewdley and stourport is another 15 not the whittles one
the 7 not heard anything about that
the 15 Kidderminster stourport stourport Tesco still whittles
the 101 arriva
the 125 the two sections as you say the Kidderminster bridgnorth is a Shropshire tender
the 192 not heard anything about that
the 580 is more than likely a Staffordshire tender and think it may not be replaced with hason doing a service from Stourbridge which runs more often there are only two runs each way on the 580 and the last on to Kidderminster is around 13.25 . i
Quote from: D10 on December 05, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Will on December 05, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
When you say everything has been transferred will do you jus mean the NX work on it's own ? or with coaching side as well ? or even the bus siae as well , and with where you say it is has NX WESTMIDS taken it over
It is just NX Coach diagrams. Nothing else is going to NXWM.
do you know when it moved/moving ? and who is running them ?
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher link=topic=996.msgpotentially see21112 date=1417808322
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
We'll that has surprised me!
I'd have expected Diamond to pick up the both the 125 & 192 to enable KR services to be linked in to the WM operation, but yet we potentially see two new entrants in to KR in the shape of Central Buses & Igo.
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher link=topic=996.msgpotentially see21112 date=1417808322
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
We'll that has surprised me!
I'd have expected Diamond to pick up the both the 125 & 192 to enable KR services to be linked in to the WM operation, but yet we potentially see two new entrants in to KR in the shape of Central Buses & Igo.
Winston,
To be honest Diamond probably aren't interested in the 192 because I've been told by a driver friend of mine that Centro told Whittle that they were "barred" from running it to Birmingham so this is why it now only runs to Halesowen so it stands to reason that if they told Whittle that they would say the same to Diamond or infact any operator who decided to take it on and as for the 125 Simon would no doubt say it wouldn't be commercially viable for Diamond to operate bizzare as that sounds.
Quote from: Will on December 06, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher link=topic=996.msgpotentially see21112 date=1417808322
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
We'll that has surprised me!
I'd have expected Diamond to pick up the both the 125 & 192 to enable KR services to be linked in to the WM operation, but yet we potentially see two new entrants in to KR in the shape of Central Buses & Igo.
Winston,
To be honest Diamond probably aren't interested in the 192 because I've been told by a driver friend of mine that Centro told Whittle that they were "barred" from running it to Birmingham so this is why it now only runs to Halesowen so it stands to reason that if they told Whittle that they would say the same to Diamond or infact any operator who decided to take it on and as for the 125 Simon would no doubt say it wouldn't be commercially viable for Diamond to operate bizzare as that sounds.
The traffic commissioner dictates where an operator serves, no one else. Sounds to me more like 'dithering Diamond' & someone else has moved in first!
two things the 192 was cut to Halesowen when the Birmingham coach company /go ahead west midlands where running the192. and my friend
who is still at whittles has heard about the 125. but as far as the 192/7 but not heard anything about them, and my other friend who worked at whittles is now working at igo he has heard nothing about the 192/7 either
Quote from: Ced on December 06, 2014, 06:53:56 AM
two things the 192 was cut to Halesowen when the Birmingham coach company /go ahead west midlands where running the192. and my friend
who is still at whittles has heard about the 125. but as far as the 192/7 but not heard anything about them, and my other friend who worked at whittles is now working at igo he has heard nothing about the 192/7 either
Ced,
Worcestershire tendered a number of services last week. Including the 15, 192 and the 7.
I am sure results will be made formal shortly
Simon
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: D10 on December 05, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 05, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Will on December 05, 2014, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ex BC driver on December 05, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
I heard a rumour about their NX work this morning, only for it to actually be said by the drivers too
Whose taking it on?
I heard the same thing apparently everything has been transferred over to NXWM's Walsall garage and it is operating and being based from there
When you say everything has been transferred will do you jus mean the NX work on it's own ? or with coaching side as well ? or even the bus siae as well , and with where you say it is has NX WESTMIDS taken it over
It is just NX Coach diagrams. Nothing else is going to NXWM.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services To Date Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 15
7: WMSNT/igo
15: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
101: Arriva
125: ? (Kidderminster - Bridgnorth) Section
125: Central Buses (Kidderminster - Stourbridge) Section
192: WMSNT/igo
580: ? (Kidderminster - Kinver)
Not 100% about 7 and 192 going to WMSNT/igo at the moment.
Hope this list helps make service changes at Whittle a bit more clear. :)
The 2a/2C have also been partly placed in another part of the route by the 2 and the 15 WCC on (oridgreanly shown as going 16) between bewdley and stourport is another 15 not the whittles one
the 7 not heard anything about that
the 15 Kidderminster stourport stourport Tesco still whittles
the 101 arriva
the 125 the two sections as you say the Kidderminster bridgnorth is a Shropshire tender
the 192 not heard anything about that
the 580 is more than likely a Staffordshire tender and think it may not be replaced with hason doing a service from Stourbridge which runs more often there are only two runs each way on the 580 and the last on to Kidderminster is around 13.25 . i
The 580 is not a Staffordshire tender. Will be a Worcestershire one.
Quote from: Will on December 06, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 06, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 05, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher link=topic=996.msgpotentially see21112 date=1417808322
Apparently Igo have gained the 192 and 7...
We'll that has surprised me!
I'd have expected Diamond to pick up the both the 125 & 192 to enable KR services to be linked in to the WM operation, but yet we potentially see two new entrants in to KR in the shape of Central Buses & Igo.
Winston,
To be honest Diamond probably aren't interested in the 192 because I've been told by a driver friend of mine that Centro told Whittle that they were "barred" from running it to Birmingham so this is why it now only runs to Halesowen so it stands to reason that if they told Whittle that they would say the same to Diamond or infact any operator who decided to take it on and as for the 125 Simon would no doubt say it wouldn't be commercially viable for Diamond to operate bizzare as that sounds.
Will
I don't know where your information comes from!
The service is tendered by Worcestershire County Council, a few years ago to save money they stopped the service running into Birmingham
Simon
For details of the 2a/ 2c replacement the revised 2 Saturday 3rd January 2015
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/Bushome.htm
you will see the main Kidderminster bewdley services is one every 40 mins
Service 4A will have new route and timetable introduced from Monday 5th January 2015(4A is a diamond service)
Services 7, 15, 125, 192, 831, 833 & S15 will have new operators, routes and timetables introduced
from Monday 5th January 2015
Service 580 will have new timetables introduced from Monday 5th January 2015
looks like 3rd of January
Courtesy of Route 1
An outline agreement for the sale of the coaching part of the Whittle business could be concluded in the next few days.
It follows the decision by parent EYMS Group to put the Kidderminster-based firm, which runs 35 vehicles with 50 staff, up for sale.
However, with no buyer for the bus part of the operation, all registered services are being cancelled with the required 56 days' notice, effective on 5 January 2015, with the only purely commercial route (2A/2C) finishing on 15 December.
Parts of this route and most of the others (which are already operated wholly or mainly on contract to Worcestershire County Council) have been put up for re-tender by the Council. One route supported by Shropshire County Council has already transferred to Arriva.
National Express (NX) operations are being found new homes by NX – and are likely to transfer in mid-January with the five coaches required being rented by the new operator in the short term (until they receive new coaches ordered by NX for 2015), or all six if they need a spare for the time being.
Says EYMS Chairman Peter Shipp: "We are still in discussion with a couple of interested parties about the coaching part of the business, hoping to reach outline agreement in the next few days, and if so with completion by mid-January at the latest so as to maintain continuity on the coach side as much as possible."
All staff have been issued with redundancy notices, with varying end dates depending on individual situations, but have also been told that efforts to sell the coaching business are continuing and if agreed, relevant employees are likely to be given the opportunity to transfer to the new owner, or in the case of NX, to whoever takes over the diagrams.
Inevitably some staff – almost all drivers – have resigned but the firm is keeping operations going with the help of casual staff and other operators, "notably Llew Jones International of Llanwrst, which has been very helpful, supplying coaches and/or drivers to help cover National Express work," adds Mr Shipp.
Most of the 11 non-NX coaches are likely to form part of the sale if it is agreed, while the more modern (mainly DDA) buses (probably 14) will transfer to EYMS in Hull, where they will replace older buses, and the remaining six sold. Any coaches not part of any deal will also probably transfer to EYMS and replace older ones.
Quote from: Ced on December 08, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
For details of the 2a/ 2c replacement the revised 2 Saturday 3rd January 2015
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/Bushome.htm
you will see the main Kidderminster bewdley services is one every 40 mins
I'm sorry but personally I think a 40 min frequency between two quite large towns is pretty pathetic. Could they not interwork something to at least get a half hourly service? I understand sometimes due to number of buses etc a 40 or 45 min frequency might be required but it just looks awkward, it'd be better being more "clockface "
Quote from: Kevin on December 10, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 08, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
For details of the 2a/ 2c replacement the revised 2 Saturday 3rd January 2015
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/Bushome.htm
you will see the main Kidderminster bewdley services is one every 40 mins
I'm sorry but personally I think a 40 min frequency between two quite large towns is pretty pathetic. Could they not interwork something to at least get a half hourly service? I understand sometimes due to number of buses etc a 40 or 45 min frequency might be required but it just looks awkward, it'd be better being more "clockface "
a 40 min frequency is going to be a joke when you think as well as the 2A/2C running every 30 mins and diamonds 2 at every 30 mins as well. it means instead of 4 buses a hour you will only be getting 3 buses every 2 hours.
Quote from: Ced on December 10, 2014, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Kevin on December 10, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 08, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
For details of the 2a/ 2c replacement the revised 2 Saturday 3rd January 2015
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/Bushome.htm
you will see the main Kidderminster bewdley services is one every 40 mins
I'm sorry but personally I think a 40 min frequency between two quite large towns is pretty pathetic. Could they not interwork something to at least get a half hourly service? I understand sometimes due to number of buses etc a 40 or 45 min frequency might be required but it just looks awkward, it'd be better being more "clockface "
a 40 min frequency is going to be a joke when you think as well as the 2A/2C running every 30 mins and diamonds 2 at every 30 mins as well. it means instead of 4 buses a hour you will only be getting 3 buses every 2 hours.
I agree with you Ced absolute joke the 3 service including the X3 are up to every 10 mins Stourport at peak time. Then Diamond have the cheek to rejuice the frequency of the 2 from every 30 min to every 40 mins after the withdrawal of the 2A/2C services. >:( And the 10 to spennells is still every 30 mins!
Quote from: LM 172 on December 10, 2014, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 10, 2014, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Kevin on December 10, 2014, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 08, 2014, 06:56:12 PM
For details of the 2a/ 2c replacement the revised 2 Saturday 3rd January 2015
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/Bushome.htm
you will see the main Kidderminster bewdley services is one every 40 mins
I'm sorry but personally I think a 40 min frequency between two quite large towns is pretty pathetic. Could they not interwork something to at least get a half hourly service? I understand sometimes due to number of buses etc a 40 or 45 min frequency might be required but it just looks awkward, it'd be better being more "clockface "
a 40 min frequency is going to be a joke when you think as well as the 2A/2C running every 30 mins and diamonds 2 at every 30 mins as well. it means instead of 4 buses a hour you will only be getting 3 buses every 2 hours.
I agree with you Ced absolute joke the 3 service including the X3 are up to every 10 mins Stourport at peak time. Then Diamond have the cheek to rejuice the frequency of the 2 from every 30 min to every 40 mins after the withdrawal of the 2A/2C services. >:( And the 10 to spennells is still every 30 mins!
I glad the 10 to spennells is still every 30 mins as that is my bus home and wills bus home there are different times during the if you look at the new time table there is one hour of the day where it goes to about 45 mins for just that hour
Feel sorry for me my bus home is the 4A and is only hourly and with the extra passages from Fairfield from January it's going to full and standing at peak time something for me to look forward to.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 10, 2014, 03:37:32 PM
Feel sorry for me my bus home is the 4A and is only hourly and with the extra passages from Fairfield from January it's going to full and standing at peak time something for me to look forward to.
lets hope they use the extension to Fairfield or the might loose it,
I just don't understand Diamond's reasoning on this. I realise it's difficult integrating the 2L so that Bewdley has a half hour service through the day from Diamond. If Diamond operates the 125, their offering might become a little better. With an hourly service at least you automatically know the times. With half-hourly, ditto, and you don't have to worry too much about missing one. Forty minute services are awkward: you need a timetable. In Redditch for 60 years right back to BMMO days, buses to Astwood Bank were half hourly, but after First gave up competing on the service, Diamond cut it to 40 minutes. Forty minute frequencies do put people off using the service. Now it's gone hourly. When the school kids get on, ordinary passengers get left at the stop, particularly with Diamond's small buses.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 10, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
I just don't understand Diamond's reasoning on this. I realise it's difficult integrating the 2L so that Bewdley has a half hour service through the day from Diamond. If Diamond operates the 125, their offering might become a little better. With an hourly service at least you automatically know the times. With half-hourly, ditto, and you don't have to worry too much about missing one. Forty minute services are awkward: you need a timetable. In Redditch for 60 years right back to BMMO days, buses to Astwood Bank were half hourly, but after First gave up competing on the service, Diamond cut it to 40 minutes. Forty minute frequencies do put people off using the service. Now it's gone hourly. When the school kids get on, ordinary passengers get left at the stop, particularly with Diamond's small buses.
You'll probably find the 40min frequency is to keep the Pvr as low as possible & cut costs
Quote from: Winston on December 10, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 10, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
I just don't understand Diamond's reasoning on this. I realise it's difficult integrating the 2L so that Bewdley has a half hour service through the day from Diamond. If Diamond operates the 125, their offering might become a little better. With an hourly service at least you automatically know the times. With half-hourly, ditto, and you don't have to worry too much about missing one. Forty minute services are awkward: you need a timetable. In Redditch for 60 years right back to BMMO days, buses to Astwood Bank were half hourly, but after First gave up competing on the service, Diamond cut it to 40 minutes. Forty minute frequencies do put people off using the service. Now it's gone hourly. When the school kids get on, ordinary passengers get left at the stop, particularly with Diamond's small buses.
You'll probably find the 40min frequency is to keep the Pvr as low as possible & cuts costs
If a service is full and standing and passages are being left at there bus stops because the service is only hourly and buses are not the correct size. Then there is space for a another operate to come a long and fill the gap in.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 10, 2014, 04:15:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 10, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 10, 2014, 03:47:47 PM
I just don't understand Diamond's reasoning on this. I realise it's difficult integrating the 2L so that Bewdley has a half hour service through the day from Diamond. If Diamond operates the 125, their offering might become a little better. With an hourly service at least you automatically know the times. With half-hourly, ditto, and you don't have to worry too much about missing one. Forty minute services are awkward: you need a timetable. In Redditch for 60 years right back to BMMO days, buses to Astwood Bank were half hourly, but after First gave up competing on the service, Diamond cut it to 40 minutes. Forty minute frequencies do put people off using the service. Now it's gone hourly. When the school kids get on, ordinary passengers get left at the stop, particularly with Diamond's small buses.
You'll probably find the 40min frequency is to keep the Pvr as low as possible & cuts costs
If a service is full and standing and passages are being left at there bus stops because the service is only hourly and buses are not the correct size. Then there is space for a another operate to come a long and fill the gap in.
I agree, that is the risk you take when cutting service frequencies of routes that are well used.
Did post this before the 2 used to be every 1/2 hour and
2A/2C used to be every 1/2 hour and as the 2 is replacing
The 2A/2C a bus 🚌 every 40 minutes will not be enough
At peak times.I known the 2L is shown on the same timetable
But that's is just the section. That runs over the same ground
the 2L is a completely sperate service
Is the NX service 444 Hereford London a whittles service as
I see on today's vosas it's being changed in febuary
Quote from: Ced on December 10, 2014, 06:13:58 PM
Did post this before the 2 used to be every 1/2 hour and
2A/2C used to be every 1/2 hour and as the 2 is replacing
The 2A/2C a bus 🚌 every 40 minutes will not be enough
At peak times.I known the 2L is shown on the same timetable
But that's is just the section. That runs over the same ground
the 2L is a completely sperate service
Is the NX service 444 Hereford London a whittles service as
I see on today's vosas it's being changed in febuary
What is being changed on 444 Febuary ?
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
So basically Diamond have bought Whittle Coaches then?
The Whittle name will die out under Diamond then. :(
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
So basically Diamond have bought Whittle Coaches then?
The Whittle name will die out under Diamond then. :(
I would think so ?.
Simon might know if the Whittle name might stay or go?
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 08:12:25 AM
Simon might know if the Whittle name will stay or go?
I doubt it mate as all the coach stuff Rotala operate is under the name of "Flights Hallmark" so I'd imagine that they will all be re-sprayed and re-branded as that on another note it is interesting what Tony wrote on here yesterday from "Route 1" it appears that the service buses are going back to East Yorkshire once finished with Whittle although I thought about that yesterday and I reckon Rotala will offer to buy some of them I have a theory Simon will buy all the Whittle Darts (apart from the MPD's) for Kidderminster and he'll buy the Enviro's for Redditch or Long Acre I don't think he will acquire the Volvo's as Rotala to my knowledge don't own any Volvo B6's
Quote from: Will on December 11, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 08:12:25 AM
Simon might know if the Whittle name will stay or go?
I doubt it mate as all the coach stuff Rotala operate is under the name of "Flights Hallmark" so I'd imagine that they will all be re-sprayed and re-branded as that on another note it is interesting what Tony wrote on here yesterday from "Route 1" it appears that the service buses are going back to East Yorkshire once finished with Whittle although I thought about that yesterday and I reckon Rotala will offer to buy some of them I have a theory Simon will buy all the Whittle Darts (apart from the MPD's) for Kidderminster and he'll buy the Enviro's for Redditch or Long Acre I don't think he will acquire the Volvo's as Rotala to my knowledge don't own any Volvo B6's
So basically your calling the owner/MD of EYMS a liar
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 08:35:56 AM
Quote from: Will on December 11, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 08:12:25 AM
Simon might know if the Whittle name will stay or go?
I doubt it mate as all the coach stuff Rotala operate is under the name of "Flights Hallmark" so I'd imagine that they will all be re-sprayed and re-branded as that on another note it is interesting what Tony wrote on here yesterday from "Route 1" it appears that the service buses are going back to East Yorkshire once finished with Whittle although I thought about that yesterday and I reckon Rotala will offer to buy some of them I have a theory Simon will buy all the Whittle Darts (apart from the MPD's) for Kidderminster and he'll buy the Enviro's for Redditch or Long Acre I don't think he will acquire the Volvo's as Rotala to my knowledge don't own any Volvo B6's
So basically your calling the owner/MD of EYMS a liar
Huh?! 😳 No!! All I'm saying is I would hope that Diamond buy the Darts/Enviros off them as it'd be a shame to see them go
everyone is just going to wait and see what does happen , nobody realy knows yet
what is going to happen , we including myself will just have to stop gussing , and not
ask simon about whats happing. about it , as I bet he his busy. know I have posted
things about the whittle situation which came from good friends who worked there
but have now left, so I have no contacts there now
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Quote from: Winston on December 11, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Yes the coaches are going to be kept at Kidderminster
Quote from: Winston on December 11, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Maybe Rotala will have a heart and keep the Whittle name and rebrand all Hallmark Coaches as Whittle Coaches because its a more established company than Hallmark is. Whittle is also a well respected company in the industry.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 11, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Maybe Rotala will have a heart and keep the Whittle name and re-brand all Hallmark Coaches as Whittle Coaches because its a more established company than Hallmark is. Whittle is also a well respected company in the industry.
Recce the Flights part of the of the Rotala group has been going a long time and also well respect in the industry and if I remember right they
used to do holidays and day trips, and private hire, and where a family firm m I believe on of the flight family is a director of Rotala do not much about the hallmark side as the are from down south. could one of the members from the west midlands area help me was it flights coaches that had the dorsal fin on the back. recce you and will are far to young to remember this. and Flights/Hallmark provide team coaches for football teams such as Aston Villa ,
Quote from: Ced on December 11, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
everyone is just going to wait and see what does happen , nobody realy knows yet
what is going to happen , we including myself will just have to stop gussing , and not
ask simon about whats happing. about it , as I bet he his busy. know I have posted
things about the whittle situation which came from good friends who worked there
but have now left, so I have no contacts there now
Quote from: Winston on December 11, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Maybe even diamonds Kidderminster operation might be renamed , if the whittle name has been bought as well .
Quote from: Ced on December 11, 2014, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 11, 2014, 09:25:13 AM
everyone is just going to wait and see what does happen , nobody realy knows yet
what is going to happen , we including myself will just have to stop gussing , and not
ask simon about whats happing. about it , as I bet he his busy. know I have posted
things about the whittle situation which came from good friends who worked there
but have now left, so I have no contacts there now
Quote from: Winston on December 11, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 07:33:49 AM
Diamond have bought the coaches (not NX which are going to NXWM)
I wasn't expecting the buyer to be Rotala, I didn't think they were interested in coach holidays / tours etc. I expect the Whittle's name & livery will be retained as it has a good name / reputation in the area. The newly acquired coach business may just move in to Diamond's KR depot or alternatively Long Acre
Maybe even diamonds Kidderminster operation might be renamed , if the whittle name has been bought as well .
Ced let's hope Diamond have purchased the Whittle name as we'll then.
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
Quote from: notepanel on December 11, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
Do you mean Whittles NX coaches going to NXWM.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 12:37:23 PM
Quote from: notepanel on December 11, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
Do you mean Whittles NX coaches going to NXWM.
I already knew that - yes they're moving the NX work over to NXWM's Walsall garage according to a mate of mine
Quote from: notepanel on December 11, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
Notepanel seeing no one picked up that interesting point of tonys post
please do point it out to us all
This is the wording of the Rotala press release, so yes, they have acquired the Whittle name
Whittles - Aquisition of Coaching Business
We are pleased to announce that following the recent news that Whittle Bus and Coach were
to close from late January that we have finalised a deal with East Yorkshire Motor Service
to purchase the trade and some assets relating to coaching, excursions and school contract
business of Whittle Coach & Bus.
The purchase includes 7 coaches, transfer of contracted drivers, various equipment, coaching
order book and excursion programme, along with rights to the Whittle trading name.
We expect to complete the purchase in the first two weeks of January 2015.
The coaching unit will fall into our Diamond Bus operating company and will operate from our
existing Kidderminster depot.
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
This is the wording of the Rotala press release, so yes, they have acquired the Whittle name
Whittles - Aquisition of Coaching Business
We are pleased to announce that following the recent news that Whittle Bus and Coach were
to close from late January that we have finalised a deal with East Yorkshire Motor Service
to purchase the trade and some assets relating to coaching, excursions and school contract
business of Whittle Coach & Bus.
The purchase includes 7 coaches, transfer of contracted drivers, various equipment, coaching
order book and excursion programme, along with rights to the Whittle trading name.
We expect to complete the purchase in the first two weeks of January 2015.
The coaching unit will fall into our Diamond Bus operating company and will operate from our
existing Kidderminster depot.
We'll at least some jobs have been saved as well as the Whittle name which will live on. 7 coaches out of the 11 they could of had. I guess that Diamond have got 6 Plaxton Panthers not including YN60FLR and maybe they also could of got FC07MCF for the Harriers football team coach as we'll. This is what I think.
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
This is the wording of the Rotala press release, so yes, they have acquired the Whittle name
Whittles - Aquisition of Coaching Business
We are pleased to announce that following the recent news that Whittle Bus and Coach were
to close from late January that we have finalised a deal with East Yorkshire Motor Service
to purchase the trade and some assets relating to coaching, excursions and school contract
business of Whittle Coach & Bus.
The purchase includes 7 coaches, transfer of contracted drivers, various equipment, coaching
order book and excursion programme, along with rights to the Whittle trading name.
We expect to complete the purchase in the first two weeks of January 2015.
The coaching unit will fall into our Diamond Bus operating company and will operate from our
existing Kidderminster depot.
Great news all round this!
Maybe Hallmark coaching at LAC could also move across so as coaches are concentrated at Kidderminster?
Hopefully Rotala will persevere with the day trips/holidays as not many groups want to these days!
Quote from: moley67 on December 10, 2014, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 10, 2014, 06:13:58 PM
Did post this before the 2 used to be every 1/2 hour and
2A/2C used to be every 1/2 hour and as the 2 is replacing
The 2A/2C a bus 🚌 every 40 minutes will not be enough
At peak times.I known the 2L is shown on the same timetable
But that's is just the section. That runs over the same ground
the 2L is a completely sperate service
Is the NX service 444 Hereford London a whittles service as
I see on today's vosas it's being changed in febuary
What is being changed on 444 Febuary ?
444 from Hereford is Yeomans.
The whittles 444 is from Worcester.
Quote from: notepanel on December 11, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
NXWM are now advertising for coach drivers at Walsall on the internet, see very bottom of this page
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 06:50:57 PM
Quote from: notepanel on December 11, 2014, 12:34:26 PM
I find it amazing no-one seems to have picked up on, what I find to be, an interesting part of Tony's post this morning.
NXWM are now advertising for coach drivers at Walsall on the internet, see very bottom of this page
Ahh so my mate was right then!
Quote from: LM 172 on December 11, 2014, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
This is the wording of the Rotala press release, so yes, they have acquired the Whittle name
Whittles - Aquisition of Coaching Business
We are pleased to announce that following the recent news that Whittle Bus and Coach were
to close from late January that we have finalised a deal with East Yorkshire Motor Service
to purchase the trade and some assets relating to coaching, excursions and school contract
business of Whittle Coach & Bus.
The purchase includes 7 coaches, transfer of contracted drivers, various equipment, coaching
order book and excursion programme, along with rights to the Whittle trading name.
We expect to complete the purchase in the first two weeks of January 2015.
The coaching unit will fall into our Diamond Bus operating company and will operate from our
existing Kidderminster depot.
We'll at least some jobs have been saved as well as the Whittle name which will live on. 7 coaches out of the 11 they could of had. I guess that Diamond have got 6 Plaxton Panthers not including YN60FLR and maybe they also could of got FC07MCF for the Harriers football team coach as we'll. This is what I think.
I suspect the 7 coaches acquired might be Whittle's 15-20 & 24. The two newest i.e. 21 & 23 will be amongst the 4 not acquired & possibly the two Levante.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Great news all round this!
Maybe Hallmark coaching at LAC could also move across so as coaches are concentrated at Kidderminster?
Hopefully Rotala will persevere with the day trips/holidays as not many groups want to these days!
I don't see the point of moving the Hallmark coaches over to KR, most of their work is centered on the other-side of B'ham. Certainly not until the fate of Long Acre is decided anyway, there's not benefit at present.
I have not seen Whittle Gold 24 FC07MCF around anyone seen it recently?
I am absolutely delighted that Diamond have bought the coaching side of Whittle I'm hoping that I can re-secure a position within Diamond Kiddy once they have acquired the coaches well I hope so anyway
The Diamond purchase of Whittle's coaching division has fallen through due to Diamond being unable to get the school contracts transferred and it is understood that Whittles have now received another offer from another operator that includes their site and more vehicles etc....
Wonder if it now includes the buses or is it to late to save that part
Quote from: Solo1 on December 15, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
Wonder if it now includes the buses or is it to late to save that part
Depends whether it is a 'City Fox' type operator
Don't let's go there again 😂
Quote from: Steveminor on December 15, 2014, 02:12:10 PM
Don't let's go there again 😂
I agree steve lets hope it is some local coach operator with a good reputation for service and clean vehicles and smart helpful friendly staff ,
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2014, 11:31:37 AM
The Diamond purchase of Whittle's coaching division has fallen through due to Diamond being unable to get the school contracts transferred and it is understood that Whittles have now received another offer from another operator that includes their site and more vehicles etc....
Thank goodness the Diamond offer fell through otherwise we would have had dirty Whittle Coaches as well as dirty Diamond buses in the town. Let's hope who ever it is has put in a offer for all 11 Whittles Coaches and kepted the Whittle name as we'll? :)
Quote from: Solo1 on December 15, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
Wonder if it now includes the buses or is it to late to save that part
Quote from: Solo1 on December 15, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
Wonder if it now includes the buses or is it to late to save that part
I doubt when you look at the bottom of this link and then clicked download
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/downloads/file/4614/christmas_2014_wyre_forest_bus_information
think that's already decied that is my take on the info on 5/1/15 others might read itdifferent to me .
Thought the diamonds buses offer went through ? They not having it now ?
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
Thought the diamonds buses offer went through ? They not having it now ?
No it wasn't going to be completed until mid Jan.
You might find someone else has come in with a higher offer?
oh dear wundur whooo its going too be .
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Any information I post about Rotala/Diamond is from senior management. It is up to you what you personally believe, but I don't post 'canteen gossip' without saying it is canteen gossip.
The information I posted is from a staff notice to drivers issued today, so most drivers will not have seen it when you asked them
thankyou tony it was whittle bus driver spoke with
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Yes mate that's it
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Yes mate that's it
I see, any idea why Diamond aren't very popular at Shropshire Council?
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:25:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Yes mate that's it
I see, any idea why Diamond aren't very popular at Shropshire Council?
I'm guessing maybe they think Diamond would end up being unreliable or something..
Can't think why Will...
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 15, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
Can't think why Will...
Well I don't either but in anycase Shropshire Council have said they're bit so that's it
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
Quote from: Ced on December 15, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 15, 2014, 07:43:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
Quote from: LM 172 on December 15, 2014, 07:49:03 PM
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
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been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 15, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
Can't think why Will...
I agree with you trainbasher, the only bit of the whittles operation now the 101 is finished is the small bit of the 125 from where it crosses the Worcestershire / Shropshire border some where between arley and highley on to bridgnorth
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 07:53:12 PM
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been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
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been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
That's correct Ced there's never been a school contract in Bridgnorth not what I know of anyway.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 15, 2014, 07:48:35 PM
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Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Yes mate that's it
I see, any idea why Diamond aren't very popular at Shropshire Council?
I'm guessing maybe they think Diamond would end up being unreliable or something..
Diamond Bus can be very unreliable and the following councils and district councils have had bad dealings with Diamond in the past and currently. Whether with poor service frequency or just buses not turning up at all to being very dirty.
Worcestershire County Council
Wyre Forest District Council
Redditch Borough Council
Recce please take this advice putting something like this about oragnisation, is not really the correct thing to do , you could find yourself in trouble
legal. not having ago just a wise older person giving a younger person some advice
Quote from: Ced on December 15, 2014, 07:58:19 PM
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Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
Right then Whittle send 3 coaches from Kidderminster every school day to Highley they pick up the school kids from all the villages in between Highley & Bridgnorth and then they go to Bridgnorth Endowed and Oldbury Wells
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Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
Yes mate that's it
I see, any idea why Diamond aren't very popular at Shropshire Council?
Recce please take this advice putting something like this about oragnisation, is not really the correct thing to do , you could find yourself in trouble
legal. not having ago just a wise older person giving a younger person some advice
Thanks for the advise Ced that bit of stuff was what I have over here'd but I always say this It's a free country and people have send worse about stuff like this I.e City Fox. I have now deleted the post anyway.
Quote from: Will on December 15, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
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been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
Right then Whittle send 3 coaches from Kidderminster every school day to Highley they pick up the school kids from all the villages in between Highley & Bridgnorth and then they go to Bridgnorth Endowed and Oldbury Wells
Will I have just look up the name of the school as the name rang a bell it is a private school and at one time whittles had at lest one coach lettered with the school name instead of whittles. and the school has nothing to do with SCC the contract is directly with the school
Wonder of Johnson's are the
ones that have made an offer as wasn't they some think on
here a while back about Johnson's
Quote from: Ced on December 15, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
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Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
Right then Whittle send 3 coaches from Kidderminster every school day to Highley they pick up the school kids from all the villages in between Highley & Bridgnorth and then they go to Bridgnorth Endowed and Oldbury Wells
Will I have just look up the name of the school as the name rang a bell it is a private school and at one time whittles had at lest one coach lettered with the school name instead of whittles. and the school has nothing to do with SCC the contract is directly with the school
Will is completely correct. I travel on the Bridgnorth to Highley road very frequently and every school day there are three coaches come from Bridgnorth and drop kids off in Highley etc. I should think SC (there is no county council, just Shropshire Council, it has been a unitary authority since 2009) would have something to do with it being the local authority.
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been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
Right then Whittle send 3 coaches from Kidderminster every school day to Highley they pick up the school kids from all the villages in between Highley & Bridgnorth and then they go to Bridgnorth Endowed and Oldbury Wells
Will I have just look up the name of the school as the name rang a bell it is a private school and at one time whittles had at lest one coach lettered with the school name instead of whittles. and the school has nothing to do with SCC the contract is directly with the school
Will is completely correct. I travel on the Bridgnorth to Highley road very frequently and every school day there are three coaches come from Bridgnorth and drop kids off in Highley etc. I should think SC (there is no county council, just Shropshire Council, it has been a unitary authority since 2009) would have something to do with it being the local authority.
Sam!,
I could kiss you! Nobody on here would believe me I'm glad there's someone who knew what I was talking about thank you :D
Rotala diamond not buying whittle coaches ?
Quote from: StourportSam on December 15, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
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Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 06:00:32 PM
been told by bus driver diamonds buses still buying whittle so what to believe ?
Nope I have it on good authority that they have indeed pulled out of the deal because I am lead to believe Shropshire Council hadn't taken the news that Diamond were buying the coach side of the business with great pleasure and it is them who have scuppered the deal
What's Shropshire Council got to do with the proposed takeover? Is that who supported the school routes that scuppered the deal?
no it Worcestershire council supported the school routes
No it isnt Cedric!!
Yes it is Will
No because Shropshire Council have a contract with Whittle to do the Bridgnorth school runs
will tell me which bridgnorth school runs whittles do ? the only school runs I know they do are the one in Kidderminster to the wolverly school
Right then Whittle send 3 coaches from Kidderminster every school day to Highley they pick up the school kids from all the villages in between Highley & Bridgnorth and then they go to Bridgnorth Endowed and Oldbury Wells
Will I have just look up the name of the school as the name rang a bell it is a private school and at one time whittles had at lest one coach lettered with the school name instead of whittles. and the school has nothing to do with SCC the contract is directly with the school
Will is completely correct. I travel on the Bridgnorth to Highley road very frequently and every school day there are three coaches come from Bridgnorth and drop kids off in Highley etc. I should think SC (there is no county council, just Shropshire Council, it has been a unitary authority since 2009) would have something to do with it being the local authority.
Sam when will said the name of the school I looked it up and it is a private school and the contract is direct wth the school
here is a link to the website http://bridgnorthendowed.co.uk/news/page/4/
Quote from: moley67 on December 15, 2014, 10:15:36 PM
Rotala diamond not buying whittle coaches ?
Why do you doubt what I put? you have put your doubts on here once and I explained where my info comes from, so you post another queery?
soory i get confused with everything . im sorry tony.
Will & sam
I owe you both a aplogy , I have realized we where talking about 2 differnet type of services
I was talking about the school services like in Kidderminster , the contracts which you
both where talking about do not bear a service number, and general not advertised
public only to the school who pass it on to parents, and unlike a school service
the drivers are usual the same one and they get to know the children who use it
. one again sorry cedric
just spotted this
PD0001660/45 - WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL T/A INTEGRATED TRANSPORT SERVICES UNIT, PAVILLION E1, COUNTY HALL, SPETCHLEY ROAD, WORCESTER, WR5 2NP
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Kidderminster Bus Station
Finish Point: Bockleys Walk, Kinver
Via: The Luck Inn, Wolverley, Kingsford Caravan Park
Service Number: 580
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 05-JAN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
think one buses is all they will need as it is only 2 run each way a day uuuuuuuuuuuuuu===============================================================================
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 03:40:54 PM
just spotted this
PD0001660/45 - WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL T/A INTEGRATED TRANSPORT SERVICES UNIT, PAVILLION E1, COUNTY HALL, SPETCHLEY ROAD, WORCESTER, WR5 2NP
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Kidderminster Bus Station
Finish Point: Bockleys Walk, Kinver
Via: The Luck Inn, Wolverley, Kingsford Caravan Park
Service Number: 580
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 05-JAN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
think one buses is all they will need as it is only 2 run each way a day uuuuuuuuuuuuuu===============================================================================
Lock Inn?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on December 16, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 03:40:54 PM
just spotted this
PD0001660/45 - WORCESTERSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL T/A INTEGRATED TRANSPORT SERVICES UNIT, PAVILLION E1, COUNTY HALL, SPETCHLEY ROAD, WORCESTER, WR5 2NP
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Kidderminster Bus Station
Finish Point: Bockleys Walk, Kinver
Via: The Luck Inn, Wolverley, Kingsford Caravan Park
Service Number: 580
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 05-JAN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
think one buses is all they will need as it is only 2 run each way a day uuuuuuuuuuuuuu===============================================================================
Lock Inn?
tony
did not notice that error the lock in is a nice canal side pub at wolverly
Does anyone know the Council's thinking behind having an 'in-house' bus operator like Woosh? Is it because no-one else is interested in operating the route or wants too much money to do so?
Just been reading the online version of the
Kidderminster shuttle a item in there timed
At 16.59 announced the sale of whittles to
Johnson s of Henley in arden
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 16, 2014, 05:13:44 PM
Does anyone know the Council's thinking behind having an 'in-house' bus operator like Woosh? Is it because no-one else is interested in operating the route or wants too much money to do so?
More than likely a bit of both. The 580 was part of a package of routes previously I believe and on its own would not be worth much I suspect.
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 06:16:01 PM
Just been reading the online version of the
Kidderminster shuttle a item in there timed
At 16.59 announced the sale of whittles to
Johnson s of Henley in arden
Article on Hereford Times as well
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/regional/11670529.Bus_services_set_to_be_saved/?ref=rss
For more there is a article on bus & coach.com
There is a statement about the sale on Whittles website.
http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/index.asp (http://www.whittlecoach.co.uk/index.asp)
So Johnson's of Henley-in-Arden have brought Whittle Coaches with all 11 coaches and the depot as we'll. I am now VERY HAPPY :D :D with this much better out come than Rotala Group buying them. Johnson's a quality coach and bus operator with a good reputation for clean tidy vehicles! :D
So I was right then as I asked this yesterday
Quote from: LM 172 on October 10, 2014, 05:44:33 PM
This is my opinion of who I think might buy Whittles or at least part of it.
Could Buy just Whittles Coaches
Woodstones Coaches of Kidderminster
Astons Coaches
Hardings Coaches
Johnsons Coaches
Could Buy just Whittles Buses
Central Buses
Arriva
Diamond bus
Hansons bus
Could Buy both Whittle Coaches and Buses
Claribels Coaches of Birmingham
RATP Group
Management Buy Out
Ron Whittle
Quote from: Solo1 on December 16, 2014, 07:56:43 PM
So I was right then as I asked this yesterday
We'll as you can see when they were first put up for sale in early October. I did say that Johnson's Coaches might buy Whittles coaching side of the business then. :)
The Johnsons take over actually includes 9 vehicles (Fact)
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
The Johnsons take over actually includes 9 vehicles (Fact)
Any Proof?
I haven't the registration details yet but trust me it's true
The sale included the yard rental at Foley Business Park, 9 coaches, 10 drivers, 3 office staff and 3 mechanics
Quote from: Will on December 16, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
The Johnsons take over actually includes 9 vehicles (Fact)
Any Proof?
Will, what are you looking for proof of?
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2014, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: Will on December 16, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
The Johnsons take over actually includes 9 vehicles (Fact)
Any Proof?
Will, what are you looking for proof of?
Well I read somewhere they had acquired 11 vehicles not 9!!
What year did Whittles coaches start 1926 or 1929?
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
I haven't the registration details yet but trust me it's true
The sale included the yard rental at Foley Business Park, 9 coaches, 10 drivers, 3 office staff and 3 mechanics
3 Mechanics sounds high for a fleet of 9 coaches. It wouldn't surprise me if Johnson's aren't looking to expand further in the area, possibly in to local tendered bus work to fill the depot site
What a pity though that it took so long to do a deal. The business is bound to have been harmed by the delay and uncertainty. I wonder why Johnsons didn't buy it earlier.
how I understand all the things I have read there taking all the coaches, except nX ones and the are being loaned out and maybe coning back
even if the only take nine coaches surely the will need more than ten driver. barry where does your proof come from ?
Quote from: Matt on December 16, 2014, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
I haven't the registration details yet but trust me it's true
The sale included the yard rental at Foley Business Park, 9 coaches, 10 drivers, 3 office staff and 3 mechanics
3 Mechanics sounds high for a fleet of 9 coaches. It wouldn't surprise me if Johnson's aren't looking to expand further in the area, possibly in to local tendered bus work to fill the depot site
3 mechanics seems like the bare minimum even for a small fleet - one to work earlys, one on lates and one spare/on call?
We'll Diamond Bus in Kidderminster have only got one!
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 16, 2014, 10:46:20 PM
What a pity though that it took so long to do a deal. The business is bound to have been harmed by the delay and uncertainty. I wonder why Johnsons didn't buy it earlier.
I could be their original offer was considered too low and when the Rotala sale fell through they were a good last resort before it really was the end, who knows, at least the Whittle name has survived.
Quote from: 111 Roughley on December 16, 2014, 10:46:20 PM
What a pity though that it took so long to do a deal. The business is bound to have been harmed by the delay and uncertainty. I wonder why Johnsons didn't buy it earlier.
could it be a certain gent and his imagery cf company
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
how I understand all the things I have read there taking all the coaches, except nX ones and the are being loaned out and maybe coning back
even if the only take nine coaches surely the will need more than ten driver. barry where does your proof come from ?
Central Coachways ran a fleet of 14 coaches when they were taken over by WMPTE with a staff of 6 full time drivers, because that was as many as they could guarantee being out each day. All other work was covered by part time, casual, or other staff driving. 10 full time drivers sounds about the right number, remember most coaches keep the same driver for the whole day unlike major operators buses
Quote from: Matt on December 16, 2014, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2014, 10:40:19 PM
Quote from: barry on December 16, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
I haven't the registration details yet but trust me it's true
The sale included the yard rental at Foley Business Park, 9 coaches, 10 drivers, 3 office staff and 3 mechanics
3 Mechanics sounds high for a fleet of 9 coaches. It wouldn't surprise me if Johnson's aren't looking to expand further in the area, possibly in to local tendered bus work to fill the depot site
3 mechanics seems like the bare minimum even for a small fleet - one to work earlys, one on lates and one spare/on call?
Possibly? But it's a coach operation not buses, coaches tend to spend far more time in the depot compared with buses, so would you need all those shifts?
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
how I understand all the things I have read there taking all the coaches, except nX ones and the are being loaned out and maybe coning back
even if the only take nine coaches surely the will need more than ten driver. barry where does your proof come from ?
Inside Info... That's all I can say.
The 9 Coaches are all Volvos, including the tri-axle KHFC ex MCFC Team Coach. No Lavantes are part of the deal. If you look at the Whittles website/fleet list it is easy to work out which arte the nine.
Quote from: barry on December 17, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
how I understand all the things I have read there taking all the coaches, except nX ones and the are being loaned out and maybe coning back
even if the only take nine coaches surely the will need more than ten driver. barry where does your proof come from ?
Inside Info... That's all I can say.
The 9 Coaches are all Volvos, including the tri-axle KHFC ex MCFC Team Coach. No Lavantes are part of the deal. If you look at the Whittles website/fleet list it is easy to work out which arte the nine.
So basically they have got all 8 Plaxtons and the Volvo coach.
Quote from: barry on December 17, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 16, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
how I understand all the things I have read there taking all the coaches, except nX ones and the are being loaned out and maybe coning back
even if the only take nine coaches surely the will need more than ten driver. barry where does your proof come from ?
Inside Info... That's all I can say.
The 9 Coaches are all Volvos, including the tri-axle KHFC ex MCFC Team Coach. No Lavantes are part of the deal. If you look at the Whittles website/fleet list it is easy to work out which arte the nine.
22 is a lavante in whittles colours not national express colours all the coaches are Volvos 15 to 23 are all the non national express coaches in the fleet
83 is a lavante as well in whittle that makes the non natex fleet 15 to 83
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
Don't forget:
1 - withdrawn 01/09/14
3 - withdrawn 01/09/14
Quote from: StourportSam on December 18, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
Don't forget:
1 - withdrawn 01/09/14
3 - withdrawn 01/09/14
I thought Central Buses were only operating the Kidderminster to Stourbridge section of the 125?
Have a look at the link Sam. :)
http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf (http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf)
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 18, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
Don't forget:
1 - withdrawn 01/09/14
3 - withdrawn 01/09/14
I thought Central Buses were only operating the Kidderminster to Stourbridge section of the 125?
Have a look at the link Sam. :)
http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf (http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf)
Yep just modified my post after reading Central Buses thread!
Good news the route is being retained as a whole. a shame the last bus through Highley has been made earlier than previously, it was handy catching the bus home from Chelmarsh at 1855, but only by 30 mins so I suppose we can't complain.
I wonder who will get the 192
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 18, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
I wonder who will get the 192
May be WMSNT/igo, Central Buses or Hansons?
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 18, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
I wonder who will get the 192
May be WMSNT/igo, Central Buses or Hansons?
I thought WMSNT had already won it?
Anyway, I know its been discussed before (but quite a while ago, so things may have changed?), but if I was to take a trip on the 192 Halesowen - Kidderminster and back what would be the best ticket option? There's no info on Whittles' website as to tickets or prices so i've got pretty much no idea.
What tends to run on the 192 nowadays? Last time I spent any amount of time down Halesowen (which was a good few months ago) it was the ALX B10s, hopefully that's still the case :)
Thanks
Quote from: N94 on December 18, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 18, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
I wonder who will get the 192
May be WMSNT/igo, Central Buses or Hansons?
I thought WMSNT had already won it?
Anyway, I know its been discussed before (but quite a while ago, so things may have changed?), but if I was to take a trip on the 192 Halesowen - Kidderminster and back what would be the best ticket option? There's no info on Whittles' website as to tickets or prices so i've got pretty much no idea.
What tends to run on the 192 nowadays? Last time I spent any amount of time down Halesowen (which was a good few months ago) it was the ALX B10s, hopefully that's still the case :)
Thanks
Yes they do seem to use those vehicles on that particular route and from what I do know is a Whittle network ticket for an adult is £6.00
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on December 18, 2014, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
Don't forget:
1 - withdrawn 01/09/14
3 - withdrawn 01/09/14
I thought Central Buses were only operating the Kidderminster to Stourbridge section of the 125?
Have a look at the link Sam. :)
http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf (http://centralbuses.com/timetables/125.pdf)
part of the 2a/2c was replaced by rerouting the 2 as well
Was looking at the 580 route just now, cause I never realised it still existed... Anyone reckon it'd make some sense incorporating it into an occasional extension to the 228? Recreate a link through to Merry Hill from Kiddy?
Quote from: Kevin on December 19, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Was looking at the 580 route just now, cause I never realised it still existed... Anyone reckon it'd make some sense incorporating it into an occasional extension to the 228? Recreate a link through to Merry Hill from Kiddy?
the 580 only does 2 runs each way a day. where does the 228 come from go to is it the hansons one that goes to kinver
well with the schools closed now that is whittle on some more route the 830,831.833
Quote from: Will on December 18, 2014, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: N94 on December 18, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 18, 2014, 06:42:56 PM
I wonder who will get the 192
May be WMSNT/igo, Central Buses or Hansons?
I thought WMSNT had already won it?
Anyway, I know its been discussed before (but quite a while ago, so things may have changed?), but if I was to take a trip on the 192 Halesowen - Kidderminster and back what would be the best ticket option? There's no info on Whittles' website as to tickets or prices so i've got pretty much no idea.
What tends to run on the 192 nowadays? Last time I spent any amount of time down Halesowen (which was a good few months ago) it was the ALX B10s, hopefully that's still the case :)
Thanks
Yes they do seem to use those vehicles on that particular route and from what I do know is a Whittle network ticket for an adult is £6.00
When I saw it today it was an e200, could get either
Quote from: Ced on December 19, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: Kevin on December 19, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Was looking at the 580 route just now, cause I never realised it still existed... Anyone reckon it'd make some sense incorporating it into an occasional extension to the 228? Recreate a link through to Merry Hill from Kiddy?
the 580 only does 2 runs each way a day. where does the 228 come from go to is it the hansons one that goes to kinver
Yeah, Merry Hill - Stourbridge - Stourton - Kinver - Enville, so I don't see any reason why some journeys couldn't go as far as kinver then along the 580 route to Kidd
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Vehicle disposals already begun?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrmbuses/16031521846/in/faves-stobbysam212/
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 09:44:37 PM
Vehicle disposals already begun?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrmbuses/16031521846/in/faves-stobbysam212/
No mate that got transferred back to EYMS in the middle of this year then they sold it to the operator as seen on Flickr
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Diamond getting the 192 is far more beneficial as passengers can then make use of the wider network, which is an issue when small operators gain isolated services.
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Matt, as far as I'm aware Bigbury Lane is still the same and yes the 15 does indeed still go down the back lanes and round Power Station housing estate etc - anyway inbox me
Quote from: Will on December 23, 2014, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Matt, as far as I'm aware Bigbury Lane is still the same and yes the 15 does indeed still go down the back lanes and round Power Station housing estate etc - anyway inbox me
Coniston are buying some buses they where trying to see if they could buy some off whittles.
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: Will on December 23, 2014, 09:57:06 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Matt, as far as I'm aware Bigbury Lane is still the same and yes the 15 does indeed still go down the back lanes and round Power Station housing estate etc - anyway inbox me
Coniston are buying some buses they where trying to see if they could buy some off whittles.
Are they Cedric?, how lovely at least then there will be some lasting memory of Whittle as I imagine they'd leave them as green & white for the time being
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Diamond getting the 192 is far more beneficial as passengers can then make use of the wider network, which is an issue when small operators gain isolated services.
The main reason people from Hagley, Blakedown and Kidderminster travel into the West Midlands is to visit Merry Hill. The majority of non car-users use the train to do this (off at Cradley Heath, short hop on a bus). Nobody in their right mind is going to get a Diamond day ticket and take the scenic route to save a few pence.
I can't see any real benefit to these people of Diamond taking the 192 as opposed to WMSNT.
I wasn't thinking that. For example, a resident living on the Rifle Range estate wants to go to Halesowen. Now they need just one ticket! Yes, there's connecta but that's no help on cross-border services. Surely you must concede there's a benefit in an operator building up a network for passengers?
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Diamond getting the 192 is far more beneficial as passengers can then make use of the wider network, which is an issue when small operators gain isolated services.
The main reason people from Hagley, Blakedown and Kidderminster travel into the West Midlands is to visit Merry Hill. The majority of non car-users use the train to do this (off at Cradley Heath, short hop on a bus). Nobody in their right mind is going to get a Diamond day ticket and take the scenic route to save a few pence.
I can't see any real benefit to these people of Diamond taking the 192 as opposed to WMSNT.
people go to Halesowen to catch the nxwmids 9 to Birmingham and people I know personal catch the 192 to come down to bewdley or stourport to spend the weekend In there caravans and people from the black country that do the same with the 125
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2014, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
Quote from: Ced on December 23, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on December 18, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Whittle Bus Routes/Services Update Not Including School Services.
2A/2C: Withdrawn as of the 15/12/2014 partly replaced by the 16
7: ? (Kidderminster - Sion Hill) Fairfield bit of the 7 replaced by a rerouted 4A as of 5/1/2015
15: ? (Kidderminster - Stourport)
101: Arriva Bus
125: Central Buses (Stourbridge - Kidderminster - Bridgnorth)
192: ? (Kidderminster - Halesowen)
580: Worcestershire CC Fleet Services
Updated with new information.
7 diamond a bit of the 7 added to rerouted 4A
15 Coniston coaches of stourport
16 WCC
101 arriva
125 central bus
192 diamond
580 WCC
take a look at this link for full details
of new operators an time tables
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/worcesterfolk/TTWF.pdf
Shame about Diamond getting the 192, I was hoping WMSNT would take it (for the sake of the people of Hagley & Blakedown!!)
Interesting to see Coniston taking the 15. Does the 15 still go down all those funny back lanes? I was just wondering how they'd get one of their whoppers along there before I remembered they have some smaller vehicles too.
On a side note, has Bigbury Lane been resurfaced yet? Riding a Dart along there was like sitting in a tumble drier.
Diamond getting the 192 is far more beneficial as passengers can then make use of the wider network, which is an issue when small operators gain isolated services.
The main reason people from Hagley, Blakedown and Kidderminster travel into the West Midlands is to visit Merry Hill. The majority of non car-users use the train to do this (off at Cradley Heath, short hop on a bus). Nobody in their right mind is going to get a Diamond day ticket and take the scenic route to save a few pence.
I can't see any real benefit to these people of Diamond taking the 192 as opposed to WMSNT.
people go to Halesowen to catch the nxwmids 9 to Birmingham and people I know personal catch the 192 to come down to bewdley or stourport to spend the weekend In there caravans and people from the black country that do the same with the 125
I do agree that Diamond getting the 192 is better for connectivity on the Diamond Day tickets but on the other hand unless Diamond is using buses from there Tividale Depot then it's going to very very unreliable service. So overall I would have preferred WMSNT/igo to have got the 192.
192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The connecta tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.
It's disappointing the link to stourport is being lost as that was very useful.
If diamond had any sense they would extend the 192 back into birmingham as it was use particular well during peaks and for the people of hayley green provided the only direct link to the city centre.
I do believe there is also scope for the 125 to be extended to Merry Hill. I am award it hasn't worked in the past, but as Whittles have built up to Stourbridge to Kidderminster section it forms perfect grounding to build on it further.
PD1021409/73 - CEN GROUP LIMITED, UNIT 14A, TAMEBRIDGE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, ALDRIDGE ROAD, PERRY BARR, BIRMINGHAM, B42 2TX
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Stourbridge Bus Station
Finish Point: Bridgnorth
Via: Kidderminster, Bewdley, Highley
Service Number: 125
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 05-JAN-2015
Other Details: Monday to Saturday, excluding public holidays
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 23, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The connecta tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.
Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.
there are various types on conecta ticket rather than list them all and how they area valid
the main one Is valid on all services within Worcestershire and any operator
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/info/20021/buses/836/about_the_connecta_scheme
Quote from: Ced on December 24, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
there are various types on conecta ticket rather than list them all and how they area valid
the main one Is valid on all services within Worcestershire and any operator
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/info/20021/buses/836/about_the_connecta_scheme
But not on connecting services which enter the WM. So, Halesowen bus station to Bromsgrove to Redditch could be done on a Diamond Network ticket. But, if you wanted to catch the 147 you would need a single to the border and then a Connecta which would be far more costly. Using the Kidderminster services as an example. Currently, to use a Diamond network to go from Halesowen to Kidderminster, you have to catch the 202 and X3. But, fairly soon it'll be possible on just the 192 which is more passenger friendly. Such journeys may be rare but integrated transport seems to be a political buzz-word and this is what networks offer.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 24, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 23, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The connecta tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.
Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.
Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 24, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 24, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 23, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The connecta tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.
Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.
Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.
They are though! There's a Sussex explorer as well, plus Ride Cornwall.
I'm not disagreeing with what you say above ie county councils wanting to priortise their own areas. My point is, Connecta is all well and good for journeys WITHIN Worcestershire. Where it falls down is routes like the 192/202 where people either have to buy singles on top, a one operator ticket which limits them to their services or an nbus for services to the Worcestershire border. Surely I'm not the only one to find it easier to get one ticket than several?!
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 24, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 24, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on December 23, 2014, 11:50:56 PM
192 a tendered service? So the operator could change next time! On the whole the tendering authorities aren't interested in building networks for any one company. The connecta tickets mean you don`t need a single operator to build a network because all buses can be accessed through one ticket whoever runs them.
Not true as Connecta isn't valid in the West Midlands. Example: 144 to Worcester and then another non First bus. You'd have to buy the ticket to the border and then a Connecta etc or buy a Wyvern and then a ticket for another operator. If only, like the North East, Centro could organise a region-wide ticket like Explorer. £9.50 or so for West Midlands and Worcestershire etc.
Missed my point diamond dart.
A supporting authority doesn't want people on a route their supporting going out of area ,they want the support that they give to benefit town centres/ communities inside their areas which is why with the exception of the north east multi area tickets are not supported.
There is always the problem of where do you draw the line to stop validity. However large the area becomes there will always be someone wanting to use it on the bus to the next town down the road, That's before the complications of splitting the revenue up between all participating operators becomes so expensive there is actually no money left to split up!
Whittles Kidderminster School services 831 & 833 have gone to Diamond Bus. :)
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8)
Quote from: LM 172 on December 24, 2014, 09:31:24 PM
Whittles Kidderminster School services 831 & 833 have gone to Diamond Bus. :)
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8 (http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4719/bus_service_changes_24-12-2014#page8)
the new 833 is to a new route Blakebrook - stourport rd-worcester road-spennels- offmore- wolverley school
the chadsley section is now a school contract not advertised
well today see's the start of last week of whittles bus services
19.53 is the last bus back in to Kidderminster a 125 from bridgnorth
does not finish at bus station finish at swan centre
YX07HJJ made an appearance on NX409 (Duplicate) today
I know when it was thought diamond where taking over (before it fell through) the whittles name was just going to be a brand name , not a company. What is the situation with Johnson take over will whittles be a brand name or a company within in the Johnson group ?
are the whittles buses all going back to hull , or have/will some of them be sold , I know Coniston where trying to buy some from them or else where as there coaches will be no good for the 15 or there own service 213 when the DDA act comes in
Quote from: Ced on December 28, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
I know when it was thought diamond where taking over (before it fell through) the whittles name was just going to be a brand name , not a company. What is the situation with Johnson take over will whittles be a brand name or a company within in the Johnson group ?
are the whittles buses all going back to hull , or have/will some of them be sold , I know Coniston where trying to buy some from them or else where as there coaches will be no good for the 15 or there own service 213 when the DDA act comes in
I suspect if Coniston do buy some buses from EYMS 167, 168 and 169 would be likely candidates. EYMS seem to have little requirement for them, especially as former Whittle 165 and 166 were sold after returning to EY.
Apart from 163 and possibly 173-176, all other Whittle buses seem to have a lot of life left in them. 164 and 170 never seem all that healthy though.
Had 164 on the 192 today. Brilliant bus this, a fast euro3 dart with scarcely a rattle and certainly most passengers would not realise it's coming up to its 12th birthday.
The e200's seem to have more rattles but are pretty fast and were being used on more rural roads on the 125 so perhaps an unfair comparison.
Didn't see a single alx300 out though...
Overall, all the Whittle's buses I caught today were clean, on time, with very polite drivers and passengers were wishing drivers all the best/asking about what's happening with services.
It'll be good to see one operator in a stronger position with a bigger and better network in an area unsuitable for competition but I think looking back, people will remember Whittle's bus services and speak of them very positively indeed. They've set a high bar for operation on the 125/192 and credit to management, particularly in maintaining quality when they knew they were for sale/potentially being closed down as it's all too easy to give up.
What I really hope is the fantastic drivers and supervisory staff are all able to find jobs in the area and that Johnson's continue the proud Whittle's name with their own trademark quality they're famous in Warwickshire for!
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 30, 2014, 08:07:12 PM
Had 164 on the 192 today. Brilliant bus this, a fast euro3 dart with scarcely a rattle and certainly most passengers would not realise it's coming up to its 12th birthday.
The e200's seem to have more rattles but are pretty fast and were being used on more rural roads on the 125 so perhaps an unfair comparison.
Didn't see a single alx300 out though...
Overall, all the Whittle's buses I caught today were clean, on time, with very polite drivers and passengers were wishing drivers all the best/asking about what's happening with services.
It'll be good to see one operator in a stronger position with a bigger and better network in an area unsuitable for competition but I think looking back, people will remember Whittle's bus services and speak of them very positively indeed. They've set a high bar for operation on the 125/192 and credit to management, particularly in maintaining quality when they knew they were for sale/potentially being closed down as it's all too easy to give up.
What I really hope is the fantastic drivers and supervisory staff are all able to find jobs in the area and that Johnson's continue the proud Whittle's name with their own trademark quality they're famous in Warwickshire for!
wonder if axl300 have made the journey back to hull , alltough Saturday is the last day of the bus services. if I remember right the deal is supposed to be completed by the 10th hope the whittle name is kept but using Johnson livery to show that it is a new company .
Quote from: Ced on December 30, 2014, 08:51:55 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 30, 2014, 08:07:12 PM
Had 164 on the 192 today. Brilliant bus this, a fast euro3 dart with scarcely a rattle and certainly most passengers would not realise it's coming up to its 12th birthday.
The e200's seem to have more rattles but are pretty fast and were being used on more rural roads on the 125 so perhaps an unfair comparison.
Didn't see a single alx300 out though...
Overall, all the Whittle's buses I caught today were clean, on time, with very polite drivers and passengers were wishing drivers all the best/asking about what's happening with services.
It'll be good to see one operator in a stronger position with a bigger and better network in an area unsuitable for competition but I think looking back, people will remember Whittle's bus services and speak of them very positively indeed. They've set a high bar for operation on the 125/192 and credit to management, particularly in maintaining quality when they knew they were for sale/potentially being closed down as it's all too easy to give up.
What I really hope is the fantastic drivers and supervisory staff are all able to find jobs in the area and that Johnson's continue the proud Whittle's name with their own trademark quality they're famous in Warwickshire for!
wonder if axl300 have made the journey back to hull , alltough Saturday is the last day of the bus services. if I remember right the deal is supposed to be completed by the 10th hope the whittle name is kept but using Johnson livery to show that it is a new company .
I wouldn't be surprised as the op this week won't be running school services or the 2A/C which finished a while back.
Yeah I'm sure they'll keep the name and hopefully the Johnsons livery but with green in place of the yellow/blue.
With Johnson's buying the coach
Part of whittle why didn't they buy the bus side
as well
Quote from: Solo1 on December 31, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
With Johnson's buying the coach
Part of whittle why didn't they buy the bus side
as well
Oh give them time!!... I'll say give it a year and they'll start operating buses in Kiddy
Quote from: Solo1 on December 31, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
With Johnson's buying the coach
Part of whittle why didn't they buy the bus side
as well
because I belive it was only the none Nat/Ex coach side that was for sale the bus side was not put up for sale by Eyms, if anyone else knows different
please feel free to correct me as I am not 100% sure on this.just how I read the press release
do not think there is not enough work for 2 operators on local services .
154/155/156/159/164 where all working today in Kidderminster bus station no sign of the volos
Probably will, have meant to go for a while to get a Whittles bus
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Anyone else making the trip down to Kidder on Saturday for Whittle's last day?
I am Matt I am going to try and cover all of the Whittles services in one day 7, 15, 125 & 192! But not 580 due to it running only twice a day. :)
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Anyone else making the trip down to Kidder on Saturday for Whittle's last day?
I may do. How much is a Child Whittles day ticket?
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
No Rob!
£6.00 for a Wyre Forest Plus for an adult anyway
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Anyone else making the trip down to Kidder on Saturday for Whittle's last day?
Only if the B10BLE's are still active, if not ill be in Stoke
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Do you have to buy a ticket I'm confused or do you get on the bus to kiddy and pay the bus fare or what ?
Quote from: Tara4352 on December 31, 2014, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Do you have to buy a ticket I'm confused or do you get on the bus to kiddy and pay the bus fare or what ?
Standard procedure for catching a bus applies. Get on, pay driver as on most service buses.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Tara4352 on December 31, 2014, 07:09:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Do you have to buy a ticket I'm confused or do you get on the bus to kiddy and pay the bus fare or what ?
Standard procedure for catching a bus applies. Get on, pay driver as on most service buses.
I got confused sorry I thought you had to buy a ticket from somewhere else
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Ah, thanks DD. I can do the full 125 then :) the adult fare is £6 though not £8, according to the nice lady on the phone.
Fair enough! Full 125 is well worth it, especially if a transbus dart is on there. E200's not so much!
Quote from: Ashley on December 31, 2014, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Anyone else making the trip down to Kidder on Saturday for Whittle's last day?
Only if the B10BLE's are still active, if not ill be in Stoke
Quote from: Ashley on December 31, 2014, 07:06:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 02:13:17 PM
Anyone else making the trip down to Kidder on Saturday for Whittle's last day?
Only if the B10BLE's are still active, if not ill be in Stoke
Did not ser any of the B10BLE's today
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Ah, thanks DD. I can do the full 125 then :) the adult fare is £6 though not £8, according to the nice lady on the phone.
Fair enough! Full 125 is well worth it, especially if a transbus dart is on there. E200's not so much!
I dunno, I do like the E200s, 157 in particular
Been ages since I've been on a Whittles bus (except the 192 from Hayley Green into town a few times)
The 57 plate ones are a bit rattly. They're fast though. Suspension is a bit more bumpy than the transbus darts though.
I haven't seen a B10BLE in a while...
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 07:34:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 06:46:15 PM
£8 for those over 19.
Matt there's only two tickets now.
Wyre Forest and Wyre Forest Plus. You can travel on any route with the Wyre Forest Plus for £4 for under 19's and £8 for those over 19.
Ah, thanks DD. I can do the full 125 then :) the adult fare is £6 though not £8, according to the nice lady on the phone.
Fair enough! Full 125 is well worth it, especially if a transbus dart is on there. E200's not so much!
I dunno, I do like the E200s, 157 in particular
Been ages since I've been on a Whittles bus (except the 192 from Hayley Green into town a few times)
The 57 plate ones are a bit rattly. They're fast though. Suspension is a bit more bumpy than the transbus darts though.
I haven't seen a B10BLE in a while...
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I think they've gone back to hull, only darts and e200s now working 192.
So to clarify, the ticket i need to buy is Child Wyre Forest plus ticket for £4?
And does this cover the full 125 from Stourbridge?
Thanks
Nathan
Quote from: Nathan on December 31, 2014, 08:16:22 PM
So to clarify, the ticket i need to buy is Child Wyre Forest plus ticket for £4?
And does this cover the full 125 from Stourbridge?
Thanks
Nathan
Yes to both! Apart from it's called a Young Person's ticket but pretty much the same thing!
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 31, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on December 31, 2014, 08:16:22 PM
So to clarify, the ticket i need to buy is Child Wyre Forest plus ticket for £4?
And does this cover the full 125 from Stourbridge?
Thanks
Nathan
Yes to both! Apart from it's called a Young Person's ticket but pretty much the same thing!
Cheers for the info :) Appreciated very much ;)
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
Coniston may source vehicles from elsewhere I belive they where after 4. are DDA complient
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
No Coniston won't purchase any.
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
No Coniston won't purchase any.
And you know that do you?!
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
No Coniston won't purchase any.
And you know that do you?!
Sorry, but yes I do.
Do Whittles have any diagrams involving Gatwick?
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Do Whittles have any diagrams involving Gatwick?
Not as far as I know I don't think they have any to Heathrow either
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Do Whittles have any diagrams involving Gatwick?
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
No Coniston won't purchase any.
And you know that do you?!
Sorry, but yes I do.
they will need to get(have got) some buses from some where as the coaches are unsuitable for bus work ,
Whittles last hoilidays tour arrives back today from London
whittles NATEX routes
444 Worcester-London
409 Aberystwyth-London
545 Pwllheli-London.
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 01, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
Do Whittles have any diagrams involving Gatwick?
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: BN on January 01, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
Quote from: Will on January 01, 2015, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 01, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
163 is shown on the EYMs fleet list as on loan to whittles since april last year so that will be one going/gone back to hull
Cedric,
All the buses will be going back apart from I assume (167/168/169) which no doubt Coniston will purchase
No Coniston won't purchase any.
And you know that do you?!
Sorry, but yes I do.
they will need to get(have got) some buses from some where as the coaches are unsuitable for bus work ,
Whittles last hoilidays tour arrives back today from London
whittles NATEX routes
444 Worcester-London
409 Aberystwyth-London
545 Pwllheli-London.
also 410 London-Birmingham.
:'( Well the final day for the bus side is here tomorrow sat 3/1/15, the final day for the coach side under EYMS is next Saturday the 10/1/15
Quote from: Ced on January 02, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
:'( Well the final day for the bus side is here tomorrow sat 3/1/15, the final day for the coach side under EYMS is next Saturday the 10/1/15
Sadly it is or so forecast to be Heavy rain tomorrow as we'll so that will put an extra dampener on things :'(
:'( GOODBYE WHITTLE BUS YOU WILL BE MISSED!!! :'(
You will be badly missed by many of your daily passengers and by me as we'll :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
MPD 169 is on the 125 - too small for this route!
not seen it for a while
the volos and the 37/38 seater darts where usually used but not seen volos for just over a week and the 56/57 regs have been rare this week mainly the older vehicles on the road that might be why plus being the last day some vehicles may being prepared for the journey north or even gone north
unwell so unable to get in to town for the last day to take some pictures.
what has been used today please
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
unwell so unable to get in to town for the last day to take some pictures.
what has been used today please
7 - 164
580 - 158
125 - 171, 172, 169
15 - 169 then 168
192 - 154, 163, 170 (I think)
thanks for the info matt the 580 is now finished , so that just another couple of hours for the 7/15/125/192 and then no whittles bus services
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
Got in on the 1210 192 from Halesowen, went out on the 125 that came in, got back in on the same 125 from Stourbridge (bus was 169), waited for a bit, got 171 on the next 125 to Stourbridge
163 did the last 192 from Halesowen (1815 ex halesowen)
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
When were you around? I don't think I saw any other enthusiasts in Kidder.
matt more enthusiasts go around different parts of the town , like the town hall, and swan centre as you see more buses , as shall we say the bus station is just used by tendered services, like from Monday you will see a few more diamond vehicles departing from there and central buses and Coniston coaches vehicles
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
When were you around? I don't think I saw any other enthusiasts in Kidder.
There were a couple of photographers when we were there. Was looking out if we could see you. Any idea who the man with the long hair on the 125 back to Stourbridge shortly before 3pm filming was?
the end of the whittles bus side is all most here
the last
580 arrived back in Kidderminster at 13.55
15 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.36
7 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.42
192 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.50
and the very last whittles bus to arrive back in Kidderminster is the 18.50 125 has just left bridgnorth and arrives back in Kidderminster at 19.53. which terminates at the swan centre not the bus station
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
Johnson new owners of the coach side have been going since 1909 which I make 105 years. still in the hands of the same family
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
the end of the whittles bus side is all most here
the last
580 arrived back in Kidderminster at 13.55
15 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.36
7 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.42
192 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.50
and the very last whittles bus to arrive back in Kidderminster is the 18.50 125 has just left bridgnorth and arrives back in Kidderminster at 19.53. which terminates at the swan centre not the bus station
Can not decide if to go for a 20 mins walk down the road to spot the last ever Whittle Bus what do you all think I should do?
Quote from: LM 172 on January 03, 2015, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
the end of the whittles bus side is all most here
the last
580 arrived back in Kidderminster at 13.55
15 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.36
7 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.42
192 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.50
and the very last whittles bus to arrive back in Kidderminster is the 18.50 125 has just left bridgnorth and arrives back in Kidderminster at 19.53. which terminates at the swan centre not the bus station
Can not decide if to go for a 20 mins walk down the road to spot the last ever Whittle Bus what do you all think I should do?
I would go, your last ever chance!
Quote from: Nathan on January 03, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
When were you around? I don't think I saw any other enthusiasts in Kidder.
There were a couple of photographers when we were there. Was looking out if we could see you. Any idea who the man with the long hair on the 125 back to Stourbridge shortly before 3pm filming was?
That was me :) I think I came into Kiddy on the same 192 as you as well.
171 was unable to issue tickets this afternoon, whether that was due to a broken Wayfarer or a lack of ticket paper I don't know. It was £3.40 for a single on the 192 Halesowen - Kiddy and £2.10 Kiddy - Stourbridge on the 125 if anyone is interested.
I was back and forth between the bus station and town hall over a couple of hours this afternoon, I think I saw about 7 people taking photos.
Quote from: LM 172 on January 03, 2015, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
the end of the whittles bus side is all most here
the last
580 arrived back in Kidderminster at 13.55
15 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.36
7 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.42
192 arrived back in Kidderminster at 18.50
and the very last whittles bus to arrive back in Kidderminster is the 18.50 125 has just left bridgnorth and arrives back in Kidderminster at 19.53. which terminates at the swan centre not the bus station
Can not decide if to go for a 20 mins walk down the road to spot the last ever Whittle Bus what do you all think I should do?
I all depends how far off the 125 route you live , I would not myself but the decision can only be your own choice /? you have about 30mins . I bet it will be on time tonight or even early .
Quote from: N94 on January 03, 2015, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 03, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
When were you around? I don't think I saw any other enthusiasts in Kidder.
There were a couple of photographers when we were there. Was looking out if we could see you. Any idea who the man with the long hair on the 125 back to Stourbridge shortly before 3pm filming was?
That was me :) I think I came into Kiddy on the same 192 as you as well.
171 was unable to issue tickets this afternoon, whether that was due to a broken Wayfarer or a lack of ticket paper I don't know. It was £3.40 for a single on the 192 Halesowen - Kiddy and £2.10 Kiddy - Stourbridge on the 125 if anyone is interested.
I was back and forth between the bus station and town hall over a couple of hours this afternoon, I think I saw about 7 people taking photos.
If you'd came into Kidderminster on 163 doing the 1210 Halesowen departure, then yeah, you were on the same bus as Nathan and i, first visit to Kidderminster for a while, seemed like a bit of a ghost town at the station, and can anyone answer, why were 154 and 164 parked up all afternoon, is it just because they work services in the morning and not the afternoon maybe?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: N94 on January 03, 2015, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 03, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 03, 2015, 05:45:07 PM
For those of you who weren't able to make the journey to see the last Whittles buses, i have uploaded my photos from earlier today to my Flickr page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/sets/72157649679805649/
RIP Whittles :(, although to be honest, 85 years of running is nothing short of impressive.
When were you around? I don't think I saw any other enthusiasts in Kidder.
There were a couple of photographers when we were there. Was looking out if we could see you. Any idea who the man with the long hair on the 125 back to Stourbridge shortly before 3pm filming was?
That was me :) I think I came into Kiddy on the same 192 as you as well.
171 was unable to issue tickets this afternoon, whether that was due to a broken Wayfarer or a lack of ticket paper I don't know. It was £3.40 for a single on the 192 Halesowen - Kiddy and £2.10 Kiddy - Stourbridge on the 125 if anyone is interested.
I was back and forth between the bus station and town hall over a couple of hours this afternoon, I think I saw about 7 people taking photos.
If you'd came into Kidderminster on 163 doing the 1210 Halesowen departure, then yeah, you were on the same bus as Nathan and i, first visit to Kidderminster for a while, seemed like a bit of a ghost town at the station, and can anyone answer, why were 154 and 164 parked up all afternoon, is it just because they work services in the morning and not the afternoon maybe?
there where usually a couple of whittles buses parked up in the bus station, one is a spare the other one is used as a rest room for drivers
:'( Sadly the last ever Whittle Bus 18:50 dep from 125 Bridgnorth was a no show. I got to the bus stop just out side Kidderminster Hospital on cross roads at 19:38 and waited for 25 mins in freezing cold and no show. There is no way that bus could have been earlier because it was not timetabled to leave Bewdley till 19:38! :'(
Quote from: LM 172 on January 03, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
:'( Sadly the last ever Whittle Bus 18:50 dep from 125 Bridgnorth was a no show. I got to the bus stop just out side Kidderminster Hospital on cross roads at 19:38 and waited for 25 mins in freezing cold and no show. There is no way that bus could have been earlier because it was not timetabled to leave Bewdley till 19:38! :'(
it either broke down then or did not run It as at 17.41 when it was due to leave Kidderminster on a Saturday night doubt if there would be many if any people waiting to go to bridgnorth , or there where people stopping it at every village thanking the driver for the good service and wishing him all the best for the future. as that was whittles oldest route if not the original one the end of a era
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 08:07:05 PM
... no complaints about any of the buses or services. To say Diamond have a hard act to follow is an understatement
Ermmm, :
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:'( Sadly the last ever Whittle Bus 18:50 dep from 125 Bridgnorth was a no show. I got to the bus stop just out side Kidderminster Hospital on cross roads at 19:38 and waited for 25 mins in freezing cold and no show. There is no way that bus could have been earlier because it was not timetabled to leave Bewdley till 19:38! :'(
Glass houses etc. Yes, Whittles were respected, but that doesn't mean their timetable adherence wasn't hit & miss over the last few years.
Daft as it sounds, although I expect fares to rise in the Wyre Forest in the near future, I think services will settle down to what is financially viable. Definitely a case of 'less is more'.
I was toying with the idea of spending the day in Bridgnorth & coming back on the last trip. Good job I didn't, although the thought that this journey would be FTO was high in my mind anyway. Still, they were always a damned sight more reliable & will be missed a whole lot more than another unscrupulous shower that's recently departed.
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 03, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
:'( Sadly the last ever Whittle Bus 18:50 dep from 125 Bridgnorth was a no show. I got to the bus stop just out side Kidderminster Hospital on cross roads at 19:38 and waited for 25 mins in freezing cold and no show. There is no way that bus could have been earlier because it was not timetabled to leave Bewdley till 19:38! :'(
it either broke down then or did not run as at 17.41 when it was due to leave Kidderminster on a Saturday night doubt if there would be many if any people waiting to go to bridgnorth , or there where people stopping it at every village thanking the driver for the good service and wishing him all the best for the future. as that was whittles oldest route if not the original one the end of a era
The strange thing about people claiming it was a no show on here is Phil Tonks has just posted pictures of it on Facebook at Bridgnorth and he travelled on it!
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 03, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 03, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
:'( Sadly the last ever Whittle Bus 18:50 dep from 125 Bridgnorth was a no show. I got to the bus stop just out side Kidderminster Hospital on cross roads at 19:38 and waited for 25 mins in freezing cold and no show. There is no way that bus could have been earlier because it was not timetabled to leave Bewdley till 19:38! :'(
it either broke down then or did not run as at 17.41 when it was due to leave Kidderminster on a Saturday night doubt if there would be many if any people waiting to go to bridgnorth , or there where people stopping it at every village thanking the driver for the good service and wishing him all the best for the future. as that was whittles oldest route if not the original one the end of a era
The strange thing about people claiming it was a no show on here is Phil Tonks has just posted pictures of it on Facebook at Bridgnorth and he travelled on it!
Tony the one phil has posted a picture and travelled one was the last bridgnorth to Stourbridge leaves bridgnorth at 16.50 and gets to Stourbridge at 18.18 and leaves Stourbridge at 16.20 arriving back at Kidderminster at 18.41 and terminating in Kidderminster . the one I was answering Recces question about was the 18.50 from bridgnorth terminating in Kidderminster at 19.53 the 17 50 from bridgnorth is also a short
just to Kidderminster at 18.53 this next bit is the wording taken from the article you are on about from phil travelled on the final Whittle Coach & Bus 125 from Bridgnorth to Stourbridge, just notice on my first message the vehicle I was on about left Stourbridge at 17.20 and Kidderminster at 17.41 which was the last Stourbridge to bridgnorth journey .
I went to catch the last ever Whittle 125 from Bridgnorth to Kidderminster at 1850. Was at the Old Smithfield main town centre stop for 1830, waited until 1930. It was a definite no show. Luckily I had a back-up lift home and we drove to Kidderminster along the entire 125 route (by chance) and there was no sign of a bus anywhere. Think we went past you LM172 - at the stop by the hospital?
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
I went to catch the last ever Whittle 125 from Bridgnorth to Kidderminster at 1850. Was at the Old Smithfield main town centre stop for 1830, waited until 1930. It was a definite no show. Luckily I had a back-up lift home and we drove to Kidderminster along the entire 125 route (by chance) and there was no sign of a bus anywhere. Think we went past you LM172 - at the stop by the hospital?
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
thanks sam think I confused people a bit by putting to much detail in my post it timings where taken from the whittles timetable
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Yes that's right. I was actually on my way to work but missed the 0822 and then the 0835 service 3 from Areley Kings decided not to turn up and I had to catch the X3 at 0900, so decided to get off and catch the 192 from Stourport High St. It was a bit quicker at getting to Kidderminster than the X3.
Yes, for some reason you looked familiar, even though I've never met you before, must be your avatar I suppose.
So the last ever 125 didn't run?!
Oh diddums 😂
Quote from: Will on January 03, 2015, 11:15:32 PM
So the last ever 125 didn't run?!
Oh diddums 😂
I know, its quite a funny anti-climax really, even if I did spend an hour waiting for it!!
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: Will on January 03, 2015, 11:15:32 PM
So the last ever 125 didn't run?!
Oh diddums 😂
I know, its quite a funny anti-climax really, even if I did spend an hour waiting for it!!
Well I'm hardly surprised it never tbf
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 11:03:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
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Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Yes that's right. I was actually on my way to work but missed the 0822 and then the 0835 service 3 from Areley Kings decided not to turn up and I had to catch the X3 at 0900, so decided to get off and catch the 192 from Stourport High St. It was a bit quicker at getting to Kidderminster than the X3.
Yes, for some reason you looked familiar, even though I've never met you before, must be your avatar I suppose.
Oops....were you late for work?
I'm surprised you can make anything out of that avatar, might take a new one soon 8)
Yes I was late - got there 0930 should have been 0855 to open a shop. Oh well I'm not usually late and I wonder if there were actually any customers during that time. I must catch the 0822 as usual next time, could be something to do with not getting home until 0130 am last night from my other work...
Quote from: Matt on January 04, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
I believe a few people were wondering if the B10BLEs had returned to EYMS, well they have not, they are still at Whittle's depot (as of Friday).
noticed this morning at sometime the fleet information has been taken off the whittles site
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 05, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Admit it, you couldn't get "Strangers in the night" out of your head too? ;D
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on January 05, 2015, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 05, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Admit it, you couldn't get "Strangers in the night" out of your head too? ;D
You got me hahaha good old Frank and his enchanting chords haha
Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
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Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Don't worry LS, there's a lady always on the 246 looking for lurrvvee... I'll give her your details next time I see her.
Whose that Matt?
Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2015, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 05, 2015, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 05, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Don't worry LS, there's a lady always on the 246 looking for lurrvvee... I'll give her your details next time I see her.
Whose that Matt?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3206.msg125129#msg125129
There used to be a large woman on the 246 years ago who was always after men, she used to sell the Express & Star out of a hut in Stourbridge. One day the local yobs got hold of the hut with her in it and turned it on it's side.
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Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2015, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 05, 2015, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 05, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 03, 2015, 10:41:48 PM
Matt I caught the 0912 192 from Stourport this morning, was it you that got off?
Indeed it was
I thought you looked like an enthusiast!
Did you sit roughly above the driver-side rear wheel arch? I thought it might be you too, as you looked back at me a few times 8)
Sounds like a couple of star crossed lovers!! Calm it down you two hahaha
Don't worry LS, there's a lady always on the 246 looking for lurrvvee... I'll give her your details next time I see her.
Whose that Matt?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3206.msg125129#msg125129
There used to be a large woman on the 246 years ago who was always after men, she used to sell the Express & Star out of a hut in Stourbridge. One day the local yobs got hold of the hut with her in it and turned it on it's side.
Hahahahahahahahaaaa!!!! Oh dear I'm crying hahahahahaha
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Will do you know if the coaches that are not part of the deal with johnsons where in the convoy, suppose the natex was will go later or have already gone
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Let's hope that someone has taken some photos of the 'WHITTLE BUSES CONVOY' at some point on there long journey north to Hull. What a sight that convoy would of been?
A very sad day for Whittle and a Final Goodbye to Whittle Bus :'( :'(
Quote from: Ced on January 07, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Will do you know if the coaches that are not part of the deal with johnsons where in the convoy, suppose the natex was will go later or have already gone
At least 2 of the 6 NX coaches were still at the Whittle depot on Friday 2 January. Only 1 of the 2 ex NX coaches was there on Friday.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/)
Quote from: LM 172 on January 07, 2015, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 07, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Will do you know if the coaches that are not part of the deal with johnsons where in the convoy, suppose the natex was will go later or have already gone
At least 2 of the 6 NX coaches were still at the Whittle depot on Friday 2 January. Only 1 of the 2 ex NX coaches was there on Friday.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/)
I think the Whittle's NX work moves to NXWM WA garage within the next week
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2015, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 07, 2015, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 07, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Will do you know if the coaches that are not part of the deal with johnsons where in the convoy, suppose the natex was will go later or have already gone
At least 2 of the 6 NX coaches were still at the Whittle depot on Friday 2 January. Only 1 of the 2 ex NX coaches was there on Friday.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/)
I think the Whittle's NX work moves to NXWM WA garage within the next week
Quote from: Winston on January 07, 2015, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 07, 2015, 05:15:59 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 07, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Will on January 07, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
All the Whittle buses have today made they're journey back to Hull so I've been told by a mate of mine who saw them apparently he said they were all in a convoy (one behind the other) going along Stourport Road so that's it officially the end of an era
Goodbye Whittle's :'(
Will do you know if the coaches that are not part of the deal with johnsons where in the convoy, suppose the natex was will go later or have already gone
At least 2 of the 6 NX coaches were still at the Whittle depot on Friday 2 January. Only 1 of the 2 ex NX coaches was there on Friday.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15990035257/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989832469/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/djangell1902/15989883399/)
I think the Whittle's NX work moves to NXWM WA garage within the next week
Winston seam to remember seeing on here a date of 11/1/15 when whittles NX work would be over at NXWM WA garage,
which seams about right has also seen on here that the sale of whittles by EYMS to johnsons was due to be complete by the 10/1/15
171.172are back at hull
picture of 172 here
https://twitter.com/EYMSEnthusiasts/status/553118452043776000/photo/1
Whittle Coaches 22 YX07HJJ Levante looks to be spending the night in tonight Aberystwyth. 8)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128181123@N05/16230809181/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128181123@N05/16230809181/)
Quote from: Matt on January 08, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 08, 2015, 11:02:03 PM
Whittle Coaches 22 YX07HJJ Levante looks to be spending the night in tonight Aberystwyth. 8)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128181123@N05/16230809181/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/128181123@N05/16230809181/)
Lucky driver, wouldn't mind a catered for trip to Aber once in a while as part of my job!
Apart from the fact the driver lives there. Whittle hire in Welsh drivers to do Aberystwyth to Birmingham and back
154/155/157/158/159/170/173/174/175/176 are all back in EYMS land different depots
https://twitter.com/EYMSEnthusiasts/status/553503151744372736/photo/1
more photos here https://twitter.com/EYMSEnthusiasts/media
Has anybody seen what is operating the Whittles NX contracts today?
All six coaches 84-89 were parked at Walsall garage when I popped in this afternoon.
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2015, 05:35:54 PM
Has anybody seen what is operating the Whittles NX contracts today?
All six coaches 84-89 were parked at Walsall garage when I popped in this afternoon.
thanks for that info tony two more buses to add to list of buses back with eyms 156 YX 56 MWK (dart) , 160 YX 56 HVJ (enviro) , are all the other coaches sold to johnsons, do you think whittle coaches will get repainted in Johnson livery. when does the change of ownership actually take effect from cedric
Johnsons take over today (10th January).
They said in a press release recently, " We look forward to continuing the Whittle brand."
Hopefully, this answers your question. :D
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
whittles stuff that as actually arrived with eyms
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/enthusiasts-news-item?id=1177
the last two I posted about are on there way but not shown as arrived
YX07 HKL on the 409 to London today
Quote from: Ex BC driver on January 10, 2015, 12:27:48 PM
YX07 HKL on the 409 to London today
see Tony's post a bit lower down that may explain why whittles livered coach is on the 409 think it is today whittles last day on NAT/EX . and it's whittles last day under EYMS ownership so it's good bye EYMS hello JOHNSON'S
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
What does with TUPE mean pleas
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
What does with TUPE mean pleas
Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment.
What I assume Johnsons will do is run Whittles as normal from Kidderminster as it sounds as though they have taken some staff over as well and they are staying there.
Basically
@Ced this explains it
Quote from: out-law.com Basic Guide To TUPEEmployees who are employed in the undertaking which is being transferred have their employment transferred to the new employer. Employees can refuse to transfer (or "opt-out"), but depending on the circumstances of the case, they can lose valuable legal rights if they do. TUPE states that "all the transferor's rights, powers, duties and liabilities under or in connection with the transferring employees' contracts of employment are transferred to the transferee". This all-embracing concept encompasses rights under the contract of employment, statutory rights and continuity of employment and includes employees' rights to bring a claim against their employer for unfair dismissal, redundancy or discrimination, unpaid wages, bonuses or holidays and personal injury claims etc.
Employees therefore have the legal right to transfer to the new employer on their existing terms and conditions of employment and with all their existing employment rights and liabilities intact (although there are special provisions dealing with old age pensions under occupational pension schemes). Effectively, the new employer steps into the shoes of the old employer and it is as though the employee's contract of employment was always made with the new employer. For this reason it is essential that employers know all about the employees they might inherit if they are planning to take over a contract or buy a business and that they make sure that the contract protects them from any employment liabilities which arose before they became the employer. This is helped by the fact that the old employer is required to provide to the new employer written details of all employee rights and liabilities that will transfer (see below).
For example, if Armadillo plc has been carrying out a contract to supply an insurance company with IT services and then loses the contract to Bear Ltd, Bear Limited will not only take over the contract to supply IT services, but will also inherit all the employees of Armadillo plc who were formerly involved in supplying the IT services to the insurance company. If Armadillo plc has failed to pay its employees their wages for the past few weeks, Bear Limited will inherit the liability to the employees for the unpaid wages under TUPE.
Any dismissals will be automatically unfair, where the sole or principal reason for the dismissal is the transfer. This is also the case where the sole or principal reason for the dismissal is a reason connected to the transfer, unless it is for an economical, technical or organisational reason (an "ETO" reason) requiring a change in the workforce. This ETO defence is narrow in scope and can be difficult to rely upon. Even if the employer can rely upon an ETO defence and the dismissal is not automatically unfair, it may still be unfair for other reasons (such as a failure to consult properly in a redundancy situation).
As the new employer is required to take on the employees on their existing terms and conditions of employment, it is prohibited from making any changes to the terms and conditions of employment of the transferred employees if the sole or principal reason for the variation is the transfer. This is also the case where the sole or principal reason is connected to the transfer, unless there is an ETO reason for the change, usually requiring a change in number of the workforce. This often makes it difficult, if not impossible, for incoming employers to harmonise terms and conditions of employment of staff after a TUPE transfer.
Where an independent trade union has been recognised by the outgoing employer in respect of transferring employees, recognition will transfer to the incoming employer to the same extent.
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
What does with TUPE mean pleas
Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment.
What I assume Johnsons will do is run Whittles as normal from Kidderminster as it sounds as though they have taken some staff over as well and they are staying there.
thanks for that info wonder if they will keep the whittle colours and the coaches as most of them seam a bit old for the Johnson fleet
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
What does with TUPE mean pleas
Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment.
What I assume Johnsons will do is run Whittles as normal from Kidderminster as it sounds as though they have taken some staff over as well and they are staying there.
thanks for that info wonder if they will keep the whittle colours and the coaches as most of them seam a bit old for the Johnson fleet
Whittles coach fleet is fairly decent to be fair.
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 10, 2015, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: BN on January 10, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
I have heard that they will initially keep the brand and the site on Foley Business park. Also some jobs are safe too with TUPE.
What does with TUPE mean pleas
Transfer of Undertakings and Protection of Employment.
What I assume Johnsons will do is run Whittles as normal from Kidderminster as it sounds as though they have taken some staff over as well and they are staying there.
thanks for that info wonder if they will keep the whittle colours and the coaches as most of them seam a bit old for the Johnson fleet
Whittles coach fleet is fairly decent to be fair.
Aggree with you about coach fleet being fairly decent.
Something missed out in my last post meant to say
about whittles volos are none standard for Johnsons
Statement on Whittle's Facebook Page:
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Well as Johnsons is now officially running things I wonder they've bought them off EYMS perhaps because surely to god they'd of gone when the others did?..
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: Will on January 11, 2015, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Well as Johnsons is now officially running things I wonder they've bought them off EYMS perhaps because surely to god they'd of gone when the others did?..
Why would Johnsons have any interest in buying them?
Well who knows!!..
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: Will on January 11, 2015, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Well as Johnsons is now officially running things I wonder they've bought them off EYMS perhaps because surely to god they'd of gone when the others did?..
Why would Johnsons have any interest in buying them?
I presumed they were either awaiting driving up to Yorkshire or have been sold locally. I very much doubt Johnson's would have them though, looking at their bus fleet.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: Matt on January 11, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: Will on January 11, 2015, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Well as Johnsons is now officially running things I wonder they've bought them off EYMS perhaps because surely to god they'd of gone when the others did?..
Why would Johnsons have any interest in buying them?
I presumed they were either awaiting driving up to Yorkshire or have been sold locally. I very much doubt Johnson's would have them though, looking at their bus fleet.
On the other hand maybe Coniston have purchased them now that would be good stuff
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Sam the only ones I have know have not gone you to EYMS are 163/164/167/168/169.
and as for 163 that is shown on EYMS on website fleetlist as on loan to whittles link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print and 164 that was shown on uk bus fleetlists page
whittles list as withdrawn so if you id 169 the other 2 where more than likely 167/168. and just guessing
from there age they could be waiting for a vist from a tow truck from Barnsley .
welcome to the new era
Quote from: Ced on January 11, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Sam the only ones I have know have not gone you to EYMS are 163/164/167/168/169.
and as for 163 that is shown on EYMS on website fleetlist as on loan to whittles link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print and 164 that was shown on uk bus fleetlists page
whittles list as withdrawn so if you id 169 the other 2 where more than likely 167/168. and just guessing
from there age they could be waiting for a vist from a tow truck from Barnsley .
welcome to the new era
164 was in use up until the last Saturday though and never withdrawn, it was a typo on the EYMS website which should have read 165 which was sold.
167, 168 and 169 seem in too good condition for scrapping - 165 and 166 were sold on for further use instead of scrapping last April. Who knows though, we will see.
A couple of questions
NATEX liveried coaches 84- 89 are now at NATEX west mids Walsall depot list as on loan does this mean they will be coming back at any time ?
what coaches out 15-23 and 83 are now in Johnson ownership ?
and anyone know when the few remaining buses are leaving to go north, or are they sold locally . or stopping
Quote from: Ced on January 11, 2015, 12:04:30 PM
A couple of questions
NATEX liveried coaches 84- 89 are now at NATEX west mids Walsall depot list as on loan does this mean they will be coming back at any time ?
what coaches out 15-23 and 83 are now in Johnson ownership ?
and anyone know when the few remaining buses are leaving to go north, or are they sold locally . or stopping
The National Express coaches are owned by East Yorkshire MS, and are on loan to West Midlands Travel from them at the moment.
EYMS will have three options
sell them to National Express group
put them in the East Yorkshire fleet to replace older coaches
sell them on the open market
when the loan ends
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 11, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Sam the only ones I have know have not gone you to EYMS are 163/164/167/168/169.
and as for 163 that is shown on EYMS on website fleetlist as on loan to whittles link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print and 164 that was shown on uk bus fleetlists page
whittles list as withdrawn so if you id 169 the other 2 where more than likely 167/168. and just guessing
from there age they could be waiting for a vist from a tow truck from Barnsley .
welcome to the new era
164 was in use up until the last Saturday though and never withdrawn, it was a typo on the EYMS website which should have read 165 which was sold.
167, 168 and 169 seem in too good condition for scrapping - 165 and 166 were sold on for further use instead of scrapping last April. Who knows though, we will see.
May be and this is just a may be Conistons may have been asked by the WCC if it would like to operate services 16 Stourport-Bewdley and the 580 Kidderminster-Kinver services? That may be why they might have acquired these 167, 168 and 169 exWhittles Dennis Dart MPDs if they have of course?
Quote from: LM 172 on January 11, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 11, 2015, 06:34:20 AM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
169 W694 EOP was still in yard this evening, along with two other Darts I couldn't ID.
Rather poignantly displaying 125 and sorry not in service on the blinds.
Other two were most likely to have been 167 and 168 but could have been 163 or 164 there.
Sam the only ones I have know have not gone you to EYMS are 163/164/167/168/169.
and as for 163 that is shown on EYMS on website fleetlist as on loan to whittles link
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/current-fleet-print and 164 that was shown on uk bus fleetlists page
whittles list as withdrawn so if you id 169 the other 2 where more than likely 167/168. and just guessing
from there age they could be waiting for a vist from a tow truck from Barnsley .
welcome to the new era
164 was in use up until the last Saturday though and never withdrawn, it was a typo on the EYMS website which should have read 165 which was sold.
167, 168 and 169 seem in too good condition for scrapping - 165 and 166 were sold on for further use instead of scrapping last April. Who knows though, we will see.
May be and this is just a may be Conistons may have been asked by the WCC if it would like to operate services 16 Stourport-Bewdley and the 580 Kidderminster-Kinver services? That may be why they might have acquired these 167, 168 and 169 exWhittles Dennis Dart MPDs if they have of course?
Reece very much doubt that as I think WCC would have awarded Coniston or someone else the tender instead of doing it themselves, .
Whittle 83 YX07HJF was still in Whittle colours as of yesterday. :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76466268@N06/16068490898/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/76466268@N06/16068490898/)
Quote from: Ced on January 11, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 11, 2015, 06:11:49 PM
Whittle 83 YX07HJF was still in Whittle colours as of yesterday. :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76466268@N06/16068490898/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/76466268@N06/16068490898/)
Reece think the new coach fleet is 15 to 24 and 83
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
interesting news about the 3 you have seen wonder what happing to them the former 162 has been repainted in the last couple of weeks in to eyms livery and regained it original fleet-no 334
A comment on one of my photos on flickr suggests that 164 is now with 1st Call Travel, Merthyr Tydfil
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/16253721591/
Any reason why WA r running the coaches from
Whittle's rather than BC as is it nearer for the services unless
it's space
Quote from: Solo1 on January 11, 2015, 08:53:01 PM
Any reason why WA r running the coaches from
Whittle's rather than BC as is it nearer for the services unless
it's space
Nearer to where? Nearer to Chester? Nearer to Pwllhelli; Nearer to Aberystwyth? Nearer to Kidderminster where they used to run from
The services that run into Birmingham
Quote from: Solo1 on January 11, 2015, 09:00:13 PM
The services that run into Birmingham
They don't finish in Birmingham though. The duties and the diagrams are quite complicated. SR 173 left Walsall garage today and doesn't get back until Tuesday with driver swap over at places like Chester. which garage was running them is quite irrelevant
SR 173 .... do the National coaches have different fleet numbers now , I was on the understanding they where 84 to 89 .
Quote from: moley67 on January 11, 2015, 09:25:34 PM
SR 173 .... do the National coaches have different fleet numbers now , I was on the understanding they where 84 to 89 .
SR 173 is an NX Op's coach on loan from Sipson Road
Whittles Buses
154: EYMS
155: EYMS
156: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
157: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
158: EYMS
159: EYMS
160: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
163: ?
164: 1st Call Travel of Merthyr Tydfil
167: ? Was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
168: ?
169: ?
170: EYMS
171: EYMS
172: EYMS
173: EYMS
174: EYMS
175: EYMS
176: EYMS
I thought this list might help a little bit. :)
Quote from: LM 172 on January 11, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Whittles Buses
154: EYMS
155: EYMS
156: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
157: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
158: EYMS
159: EYMS
160: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
163: ?
164: 1st Call Travel of Merthyr Tydfil
167: ? Was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
168: ?
169: ?
170: EYMS
171: EYMS
172: EYMS
173: EYMS
174: EYMS
175: EYMS
176: EYMS
I thought this list might help a little bit. :)
Quote from: LM 172 on January 11, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Whittles Buses
154: EYMS
155: EYMS
156: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
157: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
158: EYMS
159: EYMS
160: EYMS was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
163: On loan to Whittles from EYMS from APRIL 2014 info from EYMS own fleet list on there own website
164: 1st Call Travel of Merthyr Tydfil
167: ? Was VOR in the last month of Whittle Bus
168: ?
169: ?
170: EYMS
171: EYMS
172: EYMS
173: EYMS
174: EYMS
175: EYMS
176: EYMS
I thought this list might help a little bit. :)
Recce hope you do not mind put so info that I know about 163 in your list , I have not seen anything about 164 going to first call
Whittles Coaches
15: Whittle:Johnsons
16: Whittle/Johnsons
17: Whittle/Johnsons
18: Whittle/Johnsons
19: Whittle/Johnsons
20: Whittle/Johnsons
21: Whittle/Johnsons
22: ?
23: Whittle/Johnsons
24: Whittle/Johnsons
83: ?
84: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
85: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
86: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
87: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
88: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
89: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 11:29:19 AM
Whittles Coaches
15: Whittle:Johnsons
16: Whittle/Johnsons
17: Whittle/Johnsons
18: Whittle/Johnsons
19: Whittle/Johnsons
20: Whittle/Johnsons
21: Whittle/Johnsons
22: due to go back to EYMS
23: Whittle/Johnsons
24: Whittle/Johnsons
83: due to go back to EYMS
84: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
85: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
86: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
87: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
88: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
89: EYMS tempo lease to NXWM
22//83 are both expected back at EYMS very soon
The 9 Coaches remaining in the Whittles fleet following the Johnsons takeover are...
XKH 455 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 57 Seats
RCE 510 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 53 Seats
YX07 HKJ 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKK 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKL 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YX07 HKM 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YN60 FLR 2011 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Panther 2 - 53 Seats
YX62 FLC 2012 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Elite - 51 Seats
FC07 MCF 2007 Volvo B12BT Volvo Volvo 9700 Prestige Plus (13.8m) - 32 Seats
No Lavantes or Buses are part of the deal & if any are still on the ground in Kidderminster it is only a matter of time before they disappear.
Johnsons are running Whittles as a total separate Brand, so the Whittles identity still remains.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
not much point removing the logos if they are going to be repainted in fleet livery,
Quote from: barry on January 12, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
The 9 Coaches remaining in the Whittles fleet following the Johnsons takeover are...
XKH 455 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 57 Seats
RCE 510 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 53 Seats
YX07 HKJ 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKK 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKL 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YX07 HKM 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YN60 FLR 2011 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Panther 2 - 53 Seats
YX62 FLC 2012 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Elite - 51 Seats
FC07 MCF 2007 Volvo B12BT Volvo Volvo 9700 Prestige Plus (13.8m) - 32 Seats
No Lavantes or Buses are part of the deal & if any are still on the ground in Kidderminster it is only a matter of time before they disappear.
Johnsons are running Whittles as a total separate Brand, so the Whittles identity still remains.
is whittles still a LTD company or just a brand name with johnsons
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: barry on January 12, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
The 9 Coaches remaining in the Whittles fleet following the Johnsons takeover are...
XKH 455 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 57 Seats
RCE 510 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 53 Seats
YX07 HKJ 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKK 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKL 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YX07 HKM 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YN60 FLR 2011 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Panther 2 - 53 Seats
YX62 FLC 2012 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Elite - 51 Seats
FC07 MCF 2007 Volvo B12BT Volvo Volvo 9700 Prestige Plus (13.8m) - 32 Seats
No Lavantes or Buses are part of the deal & if any are still on the ground in Kidderminster it is only a matter of time before they disappear.
Johnsons are running Whittles as a total separate Brand, so the Whittles identity still remains.
is whittles still a LTD company or just a brand name with johnsons
Cedric,
Yes I would imagine it is and at a guess the legal address will read as:
Whittle Coaches Ltd.,
Part of Johnsons Bus & Coach
Foley Business Park,
Stourport Road,
Kidderminster,
Worcestershire,
DY11 7QL
Quote from: Will on January 12, 2015, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
Quote from: barry on January 12, 2015, 01:46:14 PM
The 9 Coaches remaining in the Whittles fleet following the Johnsons takeover are...
XKH 455 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 57 Seats
RCE 510 2005 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Paragon - 53 Seats
YX07 HKJ 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKK 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 53 Seats
YX07 HKL 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YX07 HKM 2007 Volvo B12B Volvo Plaxton Panther - 49 Seats
YN60 FLR 2011 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Panther 2 - 53 Seats
YX62 FLC 2012 Volvo B9R Volvo Plaxton Elite - 51 Seats
FC07 MCF 2007 Volvo B12BT Volvo Volvo 9700 Prestige Plus (13.8m) - 32 Seats
No Lavantes or Buses are part of the deal & if any are still on the ground in Kidderminster it is only a matter of time before they disappear.
Johnsons are running Whittles as a total separate Brand, so the Whittles identity still remains.
is whittles still a LTD company or just a brand name with johnsons
Cedric,
Yes I would imagine it is and at a guess the legal address will read as:
Whittle Coaches Ltd.,
Part of Johnsons Bus & Coach
Foley Business Park,
Stourport Road,
Kidderminster,
Worcestershire,
DY11 7QL
Will it's showing on website now. Your where right except
For second line which is not on version on website
1st Call Travel of Merthyr Tydfil ex Whittle Bus 164 GK03NFT in Swansea. :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34239514@N07/16060439237/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/34239514@N07/16060439237/)
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
1st Call Travel of Merthyr Tydfil ex Whittle Bus 164 GK03NFT in Swansea.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/34239514@N07/16060439237/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/34239514@N07/16060439237/)
just seen the photo just remember they had a fire there recently with 30 vehicles destroyed ,
wonder if the 3 left in Kidderminster with logos removed maybe joining it
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
It has already been said in this thread by someone clearly "in-the-know" that Coniston won't be purchasing any buses from Whittle.
I remember that as well, in answer to recce's question A BIG if 167/168/169 where joining 164 at 1st call travel they may have need some work done on them.
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
It has already been said in this thread by someone clearly "in-the-know" that Coniston won't be purchasing any buses from Whittle.
I did not know this at the time Matt.
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
It has already been said in this thread by someone clearly "in-the-know" that Coniston won't be purchasing any buses from Whittle.
I remember that as well, in answer to recce's question A BIG if 167/168/169 where joining 164 at 1st call travel they may have need some work done on them.
Look at the 1603 YY52KXM ex Finglands EYMS Group being Scrapped this could well happen to ex Whittle MPDs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/)
Quote from: LM 172 on January 13, 2015, 06:25:42 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
It has already been said in this thread by someone clearly "in-the-know" that Coniston won't be purchasing any buses from Whittle.
I remember that as well, in answer to recce's question A BIG if 167/168/169 where joining 164 at 1st call travel they may have need some work done on them.
Look at the 1603 YY52KXM ex Finglands EYMS Group being Scrapped this could well happen to ex Whittle MPDs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/)
I understand this vehicle was written off in a serious accident very shortly before Finglands closed.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 13, 2015, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 13, 2015, 06:25:42 AM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 12, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: LM 172 on January 12, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Ced on January 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on January 11, 2015, 06:44:15 PM
Further to my previous post, had another look and the other dart next to 169 is 168. Still couldn't see the other bus presume it is 167. All three have had all Whittle logos removed. Which is interesting as all the buses back in Yorkshire still have their logos.
No sign of 163 and 164. Seeing as 162 and 170 are the same as 163 and 164 respectively I would assume these will see further use with EYMS.
Sam seing they are having there logos removed they maybe joining 164 at 1st call as just seen a picture of it in Swansea
still in whittles livery
Ced Wouldn't they have all gone up together to 1st Call Travel in one go rather than this situation if they had purchased them all wouldn't they? So I am still going on the assumption that Conistons have purchased them. :)
It has already been said in this thread by someone clearly "in-the-know" that Coniston won't be purchasing any buses from Whittle.
I remember that as well, in answer to recce's question A BIG if 167/168/169 where joining 164 at 1st call travel they may have need some work done on them.
Look at the 1603 YY52KXM ex Finglands EYMS Group being Scrapped this could well happen to ex Whittle MPDs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14357675345/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14356127512/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15560527239/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16081566321/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15253087849/)
I understand this vehicle was written off in a serious accident very shortly before Finglands closed.
yes it was on loan to first at the time, till they could get enough of there buses at the depot
Not long posted on Johnsons website news about Whittle Coaches
http://www.johnsonscoaches.co.uk/news-detail.php?NewsID=207 (http://www.johnsonscoaches.co.uk/news-detail.php?NewsID=207)
One Coniston Coaches and one plain white coach noticed on the Highley school runs today. Presumably on hire.
Also noticed the 07 plate Whittle van in Stourport with engineer driving - Johnsons must have kept that as well.
Quote from: StourportSam on January 15, 2015, 12:17:23 AM
One Coniston Coaches and one plain white coach noticed on the Highley school runs today. Presumably on hire.
Also noticed the 07 plate Whittle van in Stourport with engineer driving - Johnsons must have kept that as well.
The whittles van and engineer where also seen at the crowngate bus station in Worcester the
Same date attending to a Johnsons. Solo
169 + 1 other unidentified one of 168/167 where seen at Leominster services on the 15th with trade plates in windows any ideas where they
WHITTLES FLEET
at change of owner ship no details of where vehicles sold are now
15 Johnsons
16 Johnsons
17 Johnsons
18 Johnsons
19 Johnsons
20 Johnsons
21 Johnsons
22 For sale I think is at EYMS
23 Johnsons
24 Johnsons
83 For sale I think is at EYMS
84 On Loan to National Express
85 On Loan to National Express
86 On Loan to National Express
87 On Loan to National Express
88 On Loan to National Express
89 On Loan to National Express
154 now EYMS 335
155 now EYMS 336
156 now EYMS 337
157 now EYMS 349
158 now EYMS 350
159 now EYMS 351
160 now EYMS 352
163 was a EYMS vehicle on loan to whittle from april 2014 showing on there list as 163 more than like to be renumbered into main eyms series
164 sold no details of who to
166 sold no details of who to
167 sold no details of who to
168 sold no details of who to
169 sold no details of who to
170 now EYMS 332
171 now EYMS 354
172 now EYMS 355
173 now EYMS 314
174 now EYMS 315
175 now EYMS 316
176 now EYMS 317
information taken from this link From EYMS own website
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/enthusiasts-news-item?id=1180
By a bit of a curious coincidence, EYMS 89 was at Stourton Park, Stourbridge last Saturday; it was the Hull RUFC team coach. But that 89 was YX14SFY, in full EYMS livery. It wasn't Whittle's 89, which was FJ11GLV, I believe, so EYMS - as a group - must have had duplicate fleet numbers?
Quote from: Ossie on January 27, 2015, 10:52:51 PM
By a bit of a curious coincidence, EYMS 89 was at Stourton Park, Stourbridge last Saturday; it was the Hull RUFC team coach. But that 89 was YX14SFY, in full EYMS livery. It wasn't Whittle's 89, which was FJ11GLV, I believe, so EYMS - as a group - must have had duplicate fleet numbers?
Whittles 84 to 89 are whittles numbers and where new to whittles when loan to nxwesmids
Is over they will go to eyms for the first time and think they will get repainted
In eyms livery from natex livery .
EYMS 351 YX56HVH exWhittle 159 now in EYMS livery at Hull depot. 8)
https://flic.kr/p/qZzaoz (https://flic.kr/p/qZzaoz)
https://flic.kr/p/qH9iRp (https://flic.kr/p/qH9iRp)
Ex Whittle 168 W469UAG and ex Whittle 169 W694EOP Plaxton Dennis Dart MPD's have been SOLD to Cymru Coaches of Swansea. No photos of W694EOP yet with Cymru Coaches. 8)
https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86 (https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86) 168
https://flic.kr/p/pVhQsF (https://flic.kr/p/pVhQsF) 168
Seen on A38 heading past Derby on 4th Feb around 1745, still with Whittle service 3 on blinds.
There is a pic on Flickr of W466UAG leaving Hull for Oakwood/Catch 22 Bus of Blackpool earlier this week.
Quote from: Cheese on February 06, 2015, 11:11:46 AM
There is a pic on Flickr of W466UAG leaving Hull for Oakwood/Catch 22 Bus of Blackpool earlier this week.
This is the photo nice to see its still got its Whittle stickers on. :)
https://flic.kr/p/r4PiKH (https://flic.kr/p/r4PiKH) 166
WHITTLES FLEET
at change of owner ship no details of where vehicles sold are now
details amended 6/2/15 At 20:29
15 Johnsons
16 Johnsons
17 Johnsons
18 Johnsons
19 Johnsons
20 Johnsons
21 Johnsons
22 For sale I think is at EYMS
23 Johnsons
24 Johnsons
83 For sale I think is at EYMS
84 On Loan to National Express
85 On Loan to National Express
86 On Loan to National Express
87 On Loan to National Express
88 On Loan to National Express
89 On Loan to National Express
154 now EYMS 335
155 now EYMS 336
156 now EYMS 337
157 now EYMS 349
158 now EYMS 350
159 now EYMS 351
160 now EYMS 352
162 first call
163 fist call
164 first call
166 classic buses catch22
167 classic buses catch22
168 cymru coaches
169 cymru coaches
170 now EYMS 332
171 now EYMS 354
172 now EYMS 355
173 now EYMS 314
174 now EYMS 315
175 now EYMS 316
176 now EYMS 317
information taken from this link From EYMS own website
http://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/enthusiasts-news-item?id=1180
and welsh yahoo bus group and a couple of links on here
http://cbnw.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/further-mpds-join-fleet.html?m=1
Quote from: Matt on February 06, 2015, 05:38:31 PM
W468 UAG was in Hebden Bridge on Thursday, wonder why??? Long way from Blackpool
I was going on info on link in previous post saying it had been collected along
With W466UAG by Oakwood
Quote from: Matt on February 06, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: Cedric on February 06, 2015, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 06, 2015, 05:38:31 PM
W468 UAG was in Hebden Bridge on Thursday, wonder why??? Long way from Blackpool
I was going on info on link in previous post saying it had been collected along
With W466UAG by Oakwood
Not saying it's wrong, just wondering what business it would have in Hebden Bridge
[/quote
Matt don't quite known where hebden bridge is in relation to hull & Blackpool
Could it have been on its way to Blackpool from. Hull
That's all I can think of .
taken from EYMS website All ex-Whittles vehicles which have transferred to EYMS have been delicensed pending depot reallocation.
only 22 & 83 to trace now as I have amend list again showing all the other accounted for
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 10, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Not really, Whittles are gone and Johnsons have there own thread!
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=205.0
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 10, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Not really, Whittles are gone and Johnsons have there own thread!
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=205.0
Whittles have not gone, they are still a company in their own right, just the ownership that has changed. No one said West Midlands Travel had finished when it became part of the National Express Group
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2015, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 10, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Not really, Whittles are gone and Johnsons have there own thread!
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=205.0
Whittles have not gone, they are still a company in their own right, just the ownership that has changed. No one said West Midlands Travel had finished when it became part of the National Express Group
But still no need for a new thread surely?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2015, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 10, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Not really, Whittles are gone and Johnsons have there own thread!
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=205.0
Whittles have not gone, they are still a company in their own right, just the ownership that has changed. No one said West Midlands Travel had finished when it became part of the National Express Group
But still no need for a new thread surely?
I agree there was nothing wrong with the other Whittles thread. If it ant broke don't fix it.
Quote from: LM 172 on February 10, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 07:04:35 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2015, 07:01:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 10, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 10, 2015, 05:33:11 PM
Whittle are now with Johnsons. They're a coach only business...
A new era deserves a new thread so here we are...
:)
Not really, Whittles are gone and Johnsons have there own thread!
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=205.0
Whittles have not gone, they are still a company in their own right, just the ownership that has changed. No one said West Midlands Travel had finished when it became part of the National Express Group
But still no need for a new thread surely?
I agree there was nothing wrong with the other Whittles thread. If it ant broke don't fix it.
Recce I agree with you it's still whittles. Just in the hands of
The Third owner
http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1
Whittles dart enters service in blackpool
Quote from: Steveminor on February 16, 2015, 04:06:26 PM
http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1
Whittles dart enters service in blackpool
W 466 UAG is also with them but being repainted
Before entering service
ex Whittle Bus Dennis Dart MPD's
165 W462UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Lanes Coaches of Dunstable, Bedfordshire
https://flic.kr/p/o5aUFr (https://flic.kr/p/o5aUFr)
166 W466UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Classic Bus North West / Catch22 of Blackpool
http://cbnw.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/further-mpds-join-fleet.html?m=1 (http://cbnw.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/further-mpds-join-fleet.html?m=1)
167 W468UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Classic Bus North West / Catch22 of Blackpool
http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1 (http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1)
168 W469UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Cymru Coaches of Swansea
https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86 (https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86)
169 W694EOP Dennis Dart MPD: Cymru Coaches of Swansea
No Photos as of yet.
8)
Quote from: Reece on February 16, 2015, 08:05:41 PM
ex Whittle Bus Dennis Dart MPD's
165 W462UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Lanes Coaches of Dunstable, Bedfordshire
https://flic.kr/p/o5aUFr (https://flic.kr/p/o5aUFr)
166 W466UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Classic Bus North West / Catch22 of Blackpool
http://cbnw.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/further-mpds-join-fleet.html?m=1 (http://cbnw.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/further-mpds-join-fleet.html?m=1)
167 W468UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Classic Bus North West / Catch22 of Blackpool
http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1 (http://blackpooltram.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/whittle-dart-enters-service-in-blackpool.html?m=1)
168 W469UAG Dennis Dart MPD: Cymru Coaches of Swansea
https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86 (https://flic.kr/p/qYSv86)
169 W694EOP Dennis Dart MPD: Cymru Coaches of Swansea
No Photos as of yet.
8)
Reece 165 left whittles quite sometime before the end of bus service at whittles
and 162./163/164 are all with first call and 164 is now repainted in a all white livery.
ex Whittle Bus Dennis Dart SLF's
163: Y214HWJ
https://flic.kr/p/qWYryh (https://flic.kr/p/qWYryh)
164: GK03NFT
https://flic.kr/p/qBHZjc (https://flic.kr/p/qBHZjc)
All Other ex Whittle Dennis Dart SLF's Returned to EYMS.
:)
Sadly ex Whittle Bus 156 YX03MWK Dennis Dart is currently in a very sorry looking state at the very back of EYMS's Hull depot. I do not know if this has anything to do with it being VOR in the 2 months of Whittle Bus?
https://flic.kr/p/rmcy9d (https://flic.kr/p/rmcy9d)
:-[ :-[
do whittles still own
YX62FLC Plaxton Elite
Plaxton Panther 21
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 08, 2015, 06:06:40 PM
do whittles still own
YX62FLC Plaxton Elite
Plaxton Panther 21
It's still owned by them
Some pictures of it on there
New website and new facebook
Page
and now fleetname has had the S added back on. reverting to the old pre Eyms days regaining the original family name WHITTLES
Any one think any Johnson coaches will ever get transferred over to the whittles fleet. when the get new vehicles . ?
Quote from: Cedric on March 31, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Any one think any Johnson coaches will ever get transferred over to the whittles fleet. when the get new vehicles . ?
Only if Whittles need any extra coaches, but I would think Johnsons would want both fleets to be of the same standard that everyone looks to with Johnsons.
Quote from: tank90 on March 31, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Only if Whittles need any extra coaches, but I would think Johnsons would want both fleets to be of the same standard that everyone looks to with Johnsons.
I was meaning to replace whittles vehicles that are sold as johnsons vehicle are newer.
Quote from: Cedric on March 31, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Any one think any Johnson coaches will ever get transferred over to the whittles fleet. when the get new vehicles . ?
We'll I am having a tour of Whittles depot tomorrow Cedric
Ex Whittles 22 YX07HJJ is at Digbeth coach station after working NX339 into birmingham
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 07, 2015, 12:57:02 PM
Ex Whittles 21 YX07HJJ is at Digbeth coach station after working NX339 into birmingham
That's Ex Whittles 22 which went back to EYMS carries fleet number 66
21 is one of the vehicles involved in the sale
Quote from: Cedric on April 07, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
That's Ex Whittles 22 which went back to EYMS carries fleet number 66
21 is one of the vehicles involved in the sale
ex 22 & 83 where used by EYMS from February till this month and now sold according to update on there website dated yesterday
(22) YX07HJJ is now with Little, Ilkeston.
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2015, 12:45:34 PM
Does anyone know what became of the two Merc O405Ns owned by Whittles, last time I saw one was mid-2013 and I remember one caught fire in Hagley. Were they scrapped or sold on for further use, I suspect the former as I cannot find anything on the internet later than mid-2013, it seems they just disappeared.
Scrapped as far as I know
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2015, 12:45:34 PM
Does anyone know what became of the two Merc O405Ns owned by Whittles, last time I saw one was mid-2013 and I remember one caught fire in Hagley. Were they scrapped or sold on for further use, I suspect the former as I cannot find anything on the internet later than mid-2013, it seems they just disappeared.
At least one (429 I think) spent a very long time VOR in the Whittle depot, but was gone by the end of 2014.
*Brand NEW* Plaxton Panther YX15ZSO has joined the Whittles Coaches fleet today. :D This brings the amount of coaches in Whittles fleet to 10. 8)
https://www.facebook.com/whittlescoaches/photos/a.346166918903821.1073741830.344961875690992/407627149424464/?type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/whittlescoaches/photos/a.346166918903821.1073741830.344961875690992/407627149424464/?type=1)
Not 100% correct. The fleet isn't increasing as the new Plaxton is a replacement for the 07 Gold Coach which will leave the fleet in part exc. sadly not enough work for this specialist vehicle so she has to go but at least the 15 plate is a full exec vehicle which fits the fleet profile better.
Quote from: barry on June 10, 2015, 10:18:07 PM
Not 100% correct. The fleet isn't increasing as the new Plaxton is a replacement for the 07 Gold Coach which will leave the fleet in part exc. sadly not enough work for this specialist vehicle so she has to go but at least the 15 plate is a full exec vehicle which fits the fleet profile better.
Has the 07 Gold Coach gone yet or is it still there?
I thought is was to go when the new one came... But the 15 plate actually arrived a day early so it might still be there... Haven't been on site today
do you know if there are any more replacements due ?
Nothing else at the moment. 9 vehicles is the optimum fleet strength. The 07 Gold Coach has now gone. It is highly unlikely that there would be vehicle transfers from Johnson's even though vehicles of both fleets appear at either depot for maintenance or body repairs. There is talk of one of the 08 midi coaches crossing to Kiddi now that Johnson's have taken delivery of their 3 brand new midi coaches ( 2 x 29 Merc Unvi's & 1 x 19 Merc Sprinter) but no decision has been made.
I just happened to be walking along New Road, Water Orton this morning and look what came towards me!
http://wmbusphotos.com/Whittle/22a.html
YX07 HKM passed me today at Hodge Hill common travelling out of town at 13:45
So is YX15ZSO brand new then because when you search this registration on flickr, there are some photos of a coach with Logans with this registration. It has red seats on those photos but blue seats on the one that Whittles got.
Quote from: saiwah007 on June 16, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
So is YX15ZSO brand new then because when you search this registration on flickr, there are some photos of a coach with Logans with this registration. It has red seats on those photos but blue seats on the one that Whittles got.
The Whittles one was first taxed 10th June, so is new, either it was never delivered to Logans, or it has the incorrect registration plate on in the photo
Thanks Tony for confirming that. Its funny I can't find any info on the Logans one anywhere.
I believe the answer to this is that for some unknown reason Logan's rejected the original registration prior to delivery so their vehicles were re-registered by Plaxtons leaving YX15ZSO still available. I haven't any explanation as to why they didn't want this batch but they are definitely NOT the same vehicles.
Never heard of anything like this before!
Quote from: barry on June 18, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
I believe the answer to this is that for some unknown reason Logan's rejected the original registration prior to delivery so their vehicles were re-registered by Plaxtons leaving YX15ZSO still available. I haven't any explanation as to why they didn't want this batch but they are definitely NOT the same vehicles.
Never heard of anything like this before!
The Logans ones all ended up with MX15... registrations
anyone got a up to date fleet list for whittles please
I can not find mine to up date . and the one that
was on this site does not seam to be there
many thanks in advance
Quote from: Cedric on July 27, 2015, 12:02:26 AM
anyone got a up to date fleet list for whittles please
I can not find mine to up date . and the one that
was on this site does not seam to be there
many thanks in advance
forget what I said in my last post just look on the fleetlist section of the site for the first time today and I see whittles vehicles are now listed with johnsons
messaged Whittles on facebook
YX62FLC Elite will be at depot for MOT if anyone wants a photograph
YN60FLR and YX15ZSO (Panthers) will be out
this is Thursday 06/08/15
2 of whittles darts now in catch 22 fleet livery in blackpool https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20364128394/in/album-72157657519966048/ & https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20960857016/in/album-72157657519966048/
Quote from: Solo1 on August 30, 2015, 10:36:38 PM
2 of whittles darts now in catch 22 fleet livery in blackpool https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20364128394/in/album-72157657519966048/ & https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20960857016/in/album-72157657519966048/
Catch 22 had closed down a few weeks ago I thought.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 30, 2015, 10:38:13 PM
Catch 22 had closed down a few weeks ago I thought.
No, still running. Seen plenty of them about on the 6 Between Grange Park and Blackpool Town Centre and on the promenade on the 12
They keep going to get a new licence every time they shave a PI
just spent a week going round the highlands , in the 15 reg coach nice motor smooth ride comfortable seats
Plaxton Elite YX62FLC 23 Was at NEC today for Clothes Show
ex whittles 87 FJ 11 GKA is up at EYMS main depot at hull for sale expect the rest of the batch will end up there as NXWM Walsall where the batch had been loaned to cover the ex whittles NX work is in the process of getting some new ones
Quote from: Cedric on January 19, 2016, 09:50:01 PM
ex whittles 87 FJ 11 GKA is up at EYMS main depot at hull for sale expect the rest of the batch will end up there as NXWM Walsall where the batch had been loaned to cover the ex whittles NX work is in the process of getting some new ones
Only one left in use now
former 88 FJ 11 GKC has been returned to EYMS by NXWM Walsall depot of loan
and is now in use at EYMS hull depot and renumbered 91 still in NX colours
Just found ex-Whittle 169 (W694 EOP) up for sale on eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/262237632169)
Quote from: Will on January 31, 2016, 05:35:04 PM
Just found ex-Whittle 169 (W694 EOP) up for sale on eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/262237632169)
That was a lovely bus, seemed well looked after.
Quote from: Cedric on January 30, 2016, 03:54:11 PM
former 88 FJ 11 GKC has been returned to EYMS by NXWM Walsall depot of loan
and is now in use at EYMS hull depot and renumbered 91 still in NX colours
all the ex whittles coaches except the one above are not going to be used by EYMS link below
https://www.eyms.co.uk/enthusiasts/enthusiasts-news-item?id=1299
click on read newsletter
EYMS have reccived FJ11 GKA, FJ11 GJX and FJ11 GJY back from NXWM Walsall and they have now been sold
Saw ex Whittles Dart SLF Y214HWJ in Swansea bus station this afternoon operating for 1st Call Travel. Still in full Whittles green/white livery.
Seen today in Swansea also with 1st Call Travel is another ex Whittle Dart SLF GK03NFT. This one is in their livery.
Quote from: Cedric on February 27, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
EYMS have reccived FJ11 GKA, FJ11 GJX and FJ11 GJY back from NXWM Walsall and they have now been sold
ex 89 FJ 11 GLV has arrived back at EYMS from loan at NXWM Walsall so that is all the old whittles vehicles which did not pass to johnsons back with EYMS.
so that is the end of the old Whittles chapter
Quote from: Cedric on February 27, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
EYMS have reccived FJ11 GKA, FJ11 GJX and FJ11 GJY back from NXWM Walsall and they have now been sold
McGill's have acquired them as their 0607-0609:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/25208078604/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/25212060413/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/25208094784/in/dateposted/
On n&p Whittle has put in a application for 13 vehicles at their
old base
Quote from: Solo1 on January 06, 2017, 12:42:11 PM
On n&p Whittle has put in a application for 13 vehicles at their
old base
13 vehicles is that buses or coaches as if it's buses then maybe they will be starting running against Diamond....
Quote from: Solo1 on January 06, 2017, 12:42:11 PM
On n&p Whittle has put in a application for 13 vehicles at their
old base
very interesting there base is still in the same place in Kidderminster, in there latest holiday tours book there are some johnsons tours in as well so maybe that is the reason for the application ,
Quote from: Will on January 06, 2017, 01:13:39 PM
13 vehicles is that buses or coaches as if it's buses then maybe they will be starting running against Diamond....
Will think it is for coaches rather than buses
The directors of this company
WHITTLE COACH & BUS LIMITED, ie.
PETER JOHNSON, JONATHON JOHNSON
are also directors of JOHNSONS (HENLEY) LIMITED (who I believe took the coach / holidays side of the business over).
So looks like Johnsons setting up a separate entity (rather than old owners starting up again).
Quote from: Walsall1955 on January 06, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
The directors of this company
WHITTLE COACH & BUS LIMITED, ie.
PETER JOHNSON, JONATHON JOHNSON
are also directors of JOHNSONS (HENLEY) LIMITED (who I believe took the coach / holidays side of the business over).
So looks like Johnsons setting up a separate entity (rather than old owners starting up again).
this is how it has been since Johnson took over it just a case of have more vehicles need in Kidderminster I thinks as since they took over things are going well
Is it a tight fit with all the buses & coaches then now at
the depot in Henley in arden
Quote from: Solo1 on January 06, 2017, 05:36:32 PM
Is it a tight fit with all the buses & coaches then now at
the depot in Henley in arden
do not know about Henley in arden , but I know that whittles are doing real well and .I think it is just a case of 3 extra vehicles for whittles fleet
Was just woundering does anyone know what happened to Mercedes O405N's V428DNB & V429DNB ?
one got destroyed by fire a long time before the changes at whittles and I think the other one had been withdrawn for some time
Quote from: Wright liberator on January 20, 2017, 02:34:09 PM
Was just woundering does anyone know what happened to Mercedes O405N's V428DNB & V429DNB ?
I was told the one that did not catch fire had been purchased for preservation but have heard nothing since then. Not sure what happen to it to be honest.
PD2000825 SI
WHITTLE COACH & BUS LIMITED
Director(s): PETER JOHNSON, JONATHON JOHNSON
LIVERIDGE HOUSE, LIVERIDGE HILL, HENLEY
-
IN
-
ARDEN, B95 5QS
Operating Centre: FOLEY BUSINESS PARK, STOURPORT ROAD,
KIDDERMINSTER, DY11 7QL
Authorisation: 13 vehicle(s)
Transport Manager(s): PETE
R GRAHAM JOHNSON, DEE
-ANNE MICHELLE
JACKSON
New Undertaking: (a) The operator will advise the traffic commissioner of the
make; model and registration number of vehicles used under that licence, and will
advise of any changes.
(b) In respect of any vehicle with eight or less passengers seats used under the
licence, the operator will provide an audit trail to the traffic commissioner or any
enforcement body on request that demonstrates compliance with PSV requirements.
This includes paperwork as to how in r
espect of any service separate fares were
paid and one of the two conditions set out in Question 1 were met. Note this
undertaking does not apply when the vehicle is being used under the provisions of
Section 79A.
(c) Each small vehicle to be used under t
he licence will have a V5C registration
certificate, and the operator must possess and produce, when asked to do so, a
document confirming this.
(d) Each small vehicle will receive a full safety inspection (maximum every 10
weeks) in premises suitable for the vehicle to ensure that its roadworthiness is
maintained. Records of all inspections must be kept in accordance with the Guide to
Maintaining Roadworthiness.
(e) At no time will the small vehicle carry more than eight passengers.
(f) The operator wil
l at all times comply with the legislation in respect of the
charging of separate fares and retain 12 months’ evidence of this compliance for
each journey.
(g) Drivers of small vehicles will carry with them documentary evidence that
separate fares have been charged for the current journey.
(h) The operator will not use a vehicle that does not meet the ECWVTA standards,
British construction and use requirements or the Road Vehicles Approval
Regulations 2009 (as amended).
(i) The operator or driver will not break the alcohol laws. Attached to Licence.
New Undertaking: Limousines and novelty type vehicles are not to be operated
under this operator’s licence. Attached to Licence
whittles have a new 53 seat coach due . as mention on some booklets I had today from them. does not say make
Volvo/Plaxton - Similar to the 15 Plate. It is due by the end of the month
Quote from: barry on March 20, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
Volvo/Plaxton - Similar to the 15 Plate. It is due by the end of the month
this has arrived at whittles no futher info on it yet
Quote from: Cedric on April 05, 2017, 11:00:50 PM
this has arrived at whittles no futher info on it yet
I saw it yesterday morning in Kingswinford, first part of the reg is YX17---. Plaxton Panther
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2017, 11:05:31 PM
I saw it yesterday morning in Kingswinford, first part of the reg is YX17---. Plaxton Panther
thanks winston picture now on whittles website reg is YX 17 OGW fleet number 24
https://www.facebook.com/whittlescoaches/photos/a.344962539024259.1073741825.344961875690992/676611745859335/?type=3&theater
http://images.johnsonscoaches.co.uk/whittlesheaders/whittlesnew2017coach.jpeg
Johnson,s YJ 04 GYD Bova FHD12-340XL9AA18P431003314 Bova Futura C49FT
is operating in Kidderminster still in johhsons colours with whittles legal lettering
In the December 2017 PSV Circle newsletter (I am a month behind on my reading!), there is reference to K400 MMS (formerly BA04 GHA) a VDL SB120 with Wrights B38F body arriving from Minsterley Motors circa September 2017 to Whittles.
Has anyone seen this bus, and it is a bus as opposed to a coach working for Whittle anywhere?
@D10https://www.flickr.com/photos/westmids-buspics/38042915116/in/photolist-ZXHTgA
OK thanks Winston.
So possibly this bus is regularly used on this Worcester Uni P & R by Whittles on behalf of sister company to Johnsons as Johnsons actually have the contract?
Quote from: D10 on January 25, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
In the December 2017 PSV Circle newsletter (I am a month behind on my reading!), there is reference to K400 MMS (formerly BA04 GHA) a VDL SB120 with Wrights B38F body arriving from Minsterley Motors circa September 2017 to Whittles.
Has anyone seen this bus, and it is a bus as opposed to a coach working for Whittle anywhere?
This plain white vehicle is working in Stratford on Avon this morning on service 5 for Johnsons. Johnsons legal lettering on a piece of paper.
volo plaxton YX 17 OGW fleet number 24
still not showing on fleet list
link to a picture on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/whittlescoaches/photos/a.344962539024259.1073741825.344961875690992/676611745859335/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Cedric on April 22, 2018, 08:33:21 AM
volo plaxton YX 17 OGW fleet number 24
still not showing on fleet list
link to a picture on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/whittlescoaches/photos/a.344962539024259.1073741825.344961875690992/676611745859335/?type=3&theater
I have updated the Whittles / Johnsons page today
Whittles have a Merecedes-Benz Tourismo BF67WLG on demo. This is the first time I have seem them use a demo.
Sometimes they are short of coaches and use coaches from Johnsons or Minsterley.
They had SF07XNU (no.26) last year and had YN10AAY earlier this year.
2 new volo b8 53 seater plaxton panther should be on the road from saturday YX19MLU will be fleet number 1, and YX19MLV will be fleet number 2. They are additions to the fleet, taking it from 9 coaches to 11
only delivered today
Whittles are running a duplicate alongside Arriva on the 0733 436, presumably to aid with overcrowding during school peaks.
Just seen a report of a coach fire
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on June 14, 2023, 03:04:42 PMJust seen a report of a coach fire
This is correct it happened just outside of Ledbury Herefordshire
Seen today in Whittles Platinum livery , Mercedes minibus YJ69XWG, which I believe was last with Tyrers ,Manchester. Caught me by surprise so unable to see a fleet number.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 09, 2024, 06:29:34 PMSeen today in Whittles Platinum livery , Mercedes minibus YJ69XWG, which I believe was last with Tyrers ,Manchester. Caught me by surprise so unable to see a fleet number.
Can confirm it is fleet number 9.
Whittles have had a new izara delivered this week I seen it on Facebook.