Does anybody know how the 'Towards werever' on bus stops works is it
- By the next Closet point
- route with the highest frequency
etc
Just curious
i belive it the next waypoint on the 81 it say toward roseville then toward dudley then toward netherton then toward merry hill
Not really related to the question, but I keep seeing bus stop shelters on the back of trucks parked in Halesmere Way in Halesowen. I went past yesterday and there were two there! Just wondering if anyone knows of any reasons why?
Quote from: N94 on August 29, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Not really related to the question, but I keep seeing bus stop shelters on the back of trucks parked in Halesmere Way in Halesowen. I went past yesterday and there were two there! Just wondering if anyone knows of any reasons why?
I've seen that as well before, that's on my estate, I thought at first they were putting a ring & ride shelter in but it disappeared.
My only idea is that the guy whose job is to move those shelters around lives in Halesmere Way, and stops off at home whilst in the process of moving shelters around? Far fetched I know, but no idea otherwise.
Quote from: N94 on August 29, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Not really related to the question, but I keep seeing bus stop shelters on the back of trucks parked in Halesmere Way in Halesowen. I went past yesterday and there were two there! Just wondering if anyone knows of any reasons why?
Maybe they're upgrading bus shelters nearby?
I know the last couple of weeks they've been upgrading bus shelters on the Warwick Road between Acocks Green and Tyseley, caused a right nightmare last night where they were replacing the one outside SCC as well as the one by Reddings Lane, traffic was crawling in both directions because of two sets of temporary traffic lights, luckily I got a lift home!
As for the 'towards' designation, it does seem to be a little random at times. Generally I suppose it shows 'towards' the next common major waypoint of the most frequent route(s) serving that stop. I guess you shouldn't read it as gospel, especially for example the 36/37 stop on the Warwick Road (Knights Road) outside Cousins, which reads as 'Towards Acocks Green', although at this point the 36 is not going towards Acocks Green as it has already been there! Likewise, you have the stop in Acock Green Village, shared by the 30, 31/A, 36, 96 and 99, which shows 'Towards Olton, Sheldon' despite the 31/A not going there!
Quote from: Stu on August 29, 2013, 07:20:06 PM
Quote from: N94 on August 29, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
Not really related to the question, but I keep seeing bus stop shelters on the back of trucks parked in Halesmere Way in Halesowen. I went past yesterday and there were two there! Just wondering if anyone knows of any reasons why?
Maybe they're upgrading bus shelters nearby?
I've not seen any change in bus stops nearby, and I would've noticed a new bus stop anywhere around my area as I quite regularly travel along the various corridors out of Halesowen.
Was on the 37 this evening on my way home, and noticed the upgraded shelter for the St John's Road stop on the Warwick Road in Sparkhill, has inside a map proudly showing you 'where to catch your bus in Selly Oak'. ::)
Quote from: Stu on August 30, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Was on the 37 this evening on my way home, and noticed the upgraded shelter for the St John's Road stop on the Warwick Road in Sparkhill, has inside a map proudly showing you 'where to catch your bus in Selly Oak'. ::)
Is that like all the Asda's in the West Midlands having a bus map of Bloxwich displayed by the entrance?
Saw them installing a new bus stop shelter near Russells Hall Hosp this evening. They were putting in a silver one next to the existing blue one.
Another 'new' shelter on the Warwick Road, this time the Stockfield Road stop towards the city (outside Acocks Green Medical Centre) has timetable information for the 24, 141, 244, 297 and 297A! (the sheet is supposed to be on Halesowen Road in Old Hill presumably).
;D
Quote from: Stu on September 04, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Another 'new' shelter on the Warwick Road, this time the Stockfield Road stop towards the city (outside Acocks Green Medical Centre) has timetable information for the 24, 141, 244, 297 and 297A! (the sheet is supposed to be on Halesowen Road in Old Hill presumably).
;D
Oh dear!
Why is this happening?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 04, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 04, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Another 'new' shelter on the Warwick Road, this time the Stockfield Road stop towards the city (outside Acocks Green Medical Centre) has timetable information for the 24, 141, 244, 297 and 297A! (the sheet is supposed to be on Halesowen Road in Old Hill presumably).
;D
Oh dear!
Why is this happening?
I would say that the bus stop that has been put in on the Warwick road was taken out of Old Hill, replaced by another one there, and the timetables have not been taken out and replaced with the Warwick Road services. That is probably not the job of the people that install the bus stops
I thought timetables would be taken out before the bus stop is moved, but obviously not
Quote from: Kevin on August 30, 2013, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 30, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Was on the 37 this evening on my way home, and noticed the upgraded shelter for the St John's Road stop on the Warwick Road in Sparkhill, has inside a map proudly showing you 'where to catch your bus in Selly Oak'. ::)
Is that like all the Asda's in the West Midlands having a bus map of Bloxwich displayed by the entrance?
Well the one at Great Bridge is correct, last time I got a lift down there, to pick up 'supplies' for the office!
I noticed today that all the bus stops in Lode Lane as far as Land Rover have 37 on them and also have 37 timetable in shelters.
Quote from: settlerman on November 07, 2013, 01:31:46 PM
I noticed today that all the bus stops in Lode Lane as far as Land Rover have 37 on them and also have 37 timetable in shelters.
Some early and evening 37 journey's go to Land Rover to transport workers :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: settlerman on November 07, 2013, 01:31:46 PM
I noticed today that all the bus stops in Lode Lane as far as Land Rover have 37 on them and also have 37 timetable in shelters.
Some early and evening 37 journey's go to Land Rover to transport workers :)
Thanks for that info.
Quote from: settlerman on November 07, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 07, 2013, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: settlerman on November 07, 2013, 01:31:46 PM
I noticed today that all the bus stops in Lode Lane as far as Land Rover have 37 on them and also have 37 timetable in shelters.
Some early and evening 37 journey's go to Land Rover to transport workers :)
Thanks for that info.
Do the buses display a different destination/route variation?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 07, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
Do the buses display a different destination/route variation?
I'm sure it is 37 'Land Rover, Lode Lane'. Saw a B7RLe put it in the display by accident while on a normal 37
There's a bus stop on the Bristol road, by the,university of Birmingham, that has the time table of the WN1,81, and 82
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 07, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
There's a bus stop on the Bristol road, by the,university of Birmingham, that has the time table of the WN1,81, and 82
The electronic bus stop on the Hagley Road, into City, just after the Sandon Rd junction, when first put up, had Pheasey, Collingwood Drive on it, with services 46A, 451, 651, and 997 on it.
The name on the stop was then changed to Hagley Rd/Sandon Rd a short time after installation
Quote from: John on November 07, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 07, 2013, 02:02:59 PM
Do the buses display a different destination/route variation?
I'm sure it is 37 'Land Rover, Lode Lane'. Saw a B7RLe put it in the display by accident while on a normal 37
Most of them I see displays Solihull Station
Then to land rover
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 07, 2013, 05:35:30 PM
There's a bus stop on the Bristol road, by the,university of Birmingham, that has the time table of the WN1,81, and 82
You can report incorrect timetable information at stops to Network West Midlands here:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/comments/fixit.aspx
Or post a comment with the stop number/location on their Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/networkwestmidlands
The bus stop on Devonshire Road allotments only displays the 55 timetable when the 55 & 83 stop there
Was in Merry Hill last weekend. The route board (not the timetable board) for Stand E in the bus station looks like it was written by a child, the writing is near illegible. I took a pic on my phone but can not get it onto my PC. With all mistakes, here is what it says
276 - Woolistan
214 - Farterless Barn
213 - Farterless Barn
251 has the proper blue and white sign
28 228 - Kniver
296 - Stoubridge, Brookmoor
310 - Wh Willenhall, Wednesbury
Both Walsall terminals need a serious sorting out.
Missing numbers, incorrect destinations & generally grotty signs.
Must admit I prefered the old black & yellow signs to these blue & white ones.
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
Was in Merry Hill last weekend. The route board (not the timetable board) for Stand E in the bus station looks like it was written by a child, the writing is near illegible. I took a pic on my phone but can not get it onto my PC. With all mistakes, here is what it says
276 - Woolistan
214 - Farterless Barn
213 - Farterless Barn
251 has the proper blue and white sign
28 228 - Kniver
296 - Stoubridge, Brookmoor
310 - Wh Willenhall, Wednesbury
Probably the scrawlings of the Bus Station Supervisor
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
Was in Merry Hill last weekend. The route board (not the timetable board) for Stand E in the bus station looks like it was written by a child, the writing is near illegible. I took a pic on my phone but can not get it onto my PC. With all mistakes, here is what it says
276 - Woolistan
214 - Farterless Barn
213 - Farterless Barn
251 has the proper blue and white sign
28 228 - Kniver
296 - Stoubridge, Brookmoor
310 - Wh Willenhall, Wednesbury
I'm liking the 213 and 214 destination. A barn without anyone who farts.
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Oo, no full colour RTI on that stop then.
Any list of full colour RTI's?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 17, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Oo, no full colour RTI on that stop then.
Any list of full colour RTI's?
Several places in Wolverhampton I can remember
Marston Green Interchange I believe has them :)
Quote from: vinh1000 on November 17, 2013, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 17, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Oo, no full colour RTI on that stop then.
Any list of full colour RTI's?
Several places in Wolverhampton I can remember
Marston Green Interchange I believe has them :)
Bearwood Bus Station also
Also the majority of stops on the Pershore Road and Bristol, but then some have those useless LED ones, which says 'due in 3minutes' - well that's weird cause I'm about to board? And it was NOT running early. (And 3 minute early is nothing, really)
Several have appeared in Coventry, one opposite the Whitmore Park terminus only served by Stagecoach routes towards city which doesn't show realtime! They seem to show via points as long list of areas that has to scroll as it is wider than the screen. l will update tomorrow. l'm sure i'm not alone in despising scrolling messages. Technology used for the sake of it.
I agree with that, it was a nightmare when the Orange LED ones were scrolling 11A/C Destinations, you could wait upto 20 seconds before the Due time came up and there was an annoying blank gap half way through...
Quote from: trident4370 on November 17, 2013, 05:46:26 PM
I agree with that, it was a nightmare when the Orange LED ones were scrolling 11A/C Destinations, you could wait upto 20 seconds before the Due time came up and there was an annoying blank gap half way through...
The 4M destinations at Cradley Heath are like that >:(
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 17, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 17, 2013, 05:46:26 PM
I agree with that, it was a nightmare when the Orange LED ones were scrolling 11A/C Destinations, you could wait upto 20 seconds before the Due time came up and there was an annoying blank gap half way through...
The 4M destinations at Cradley Heath are like that >:(
It is a nuisance!
Holly Hall Road (X26/X96) has the new Full Colour ones. Hawbush Road (225/226/250/251) is to have them fitted apparently soon
I believe First Avenue in Bushbury Hill and Showell Circus aswell.
Does the stops on the 246 have full colour RTI's? Can't remember exactly
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 17, 2013, 08:12:46 PM
I believe First Avenue in Bushbury Hill and Showell Circus aswell.
Does the stops on the 246 have full colour RTI's? Can't remember exactly
Some do, but many still have LED displays
Also a few in Wolverhampton:
Patshull Avenue and Marsh Lane (3 and 25/25A route)
There maybe one or two on Birmingham New Rd too
Northfield have them, and the Pershore road by the cricket ground.
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 18, 2013, 06:25:57 PM
Northfield have them, and the Pershore road by the cricket ground.
And Cotteridge, and outside the British Oak
When looking at a new one in Holbrooks, Coventry this afternoon the via messages were scrolling despite being short enough not to!
4 University Hosp via Whitmore Park, Edgwick, Bishopsgate Green, Coventry, Gosford Green, Upper Stoke, Stoke, Wyken Green, Wyken!
55 Coventry via Whitmore Park, Edgwick, Bishopsgate Green
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
When Solihull Town Centre was closed off, the NX inspector got in contact with someone who put a notice on the bigger screens in the town centre (within 3 minutes apparently) telling people what was happening, but I dont think it was displayed on the screens within the bus stops.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
Shame really, would be great for PR
Quote from: neale95 on November 18, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
When Solihull Town Centre was closed off, the NX inspector got in contact with someone who put a notice on the bigger screens in the town centre (within 3 minutes apparently) telling people what was happening, but I dont think it was displayed on the screens within the bus stops.
Most people don't pay attention to the big electronic screens in the town centre, there aren't any real-time electronic screens in the bus shelters though.
Quote from: Stu on November 18, 2013, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: neale95 on November 18, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
When Solihull Town Centre was closed off, the NX inspector got in contact with someone who put a notice on the bigger screens in the town centre (within 3 minutes apparently) telling people what was happening, but I dont think it was displayed on the screens within the bus stops.
Most people don't pay attention to the big electronic screens in the town centre, there aren't any real-time electronic screens in the bus shelters though.
I meant in the shelters towards the Town Centre to inform people hoping to get to the town centre. I cant remember if they did haha
Quote from: Stu on November 18, 2013, 07:14:47 PM
Quote from: neale95 on November 18, 2013, 06:54:08 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 06:48:03 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:45:56 PM
Seems an appropriate enough thread to put this....
Obviously the live times on bus stops these days are all updated wirelessly somehow (Internet? Radio? GPS? Magic?). Would it not be possible to put useful information on there regarding delays etc as well? Such as if a bus has broken down and there won't be one for over half an hour, or if there's a sudden diversion or whatever? That would go a fair way towards put passengers a bit more at ease and less likely to take it out on the driver of the next bus to turn up as is all too common at the moment.
They used to do it on the orange LED wigwam things in the city centre, but its all dried up now.
But you're quite right, they have the technology to do it now, but it fails to have been correctly implemented.
When Solihull Town Centre was closed off, the NX inspector got in contact with someone who put a notice on the bigger screens in the town centre (within 3 minutes apparently) telling people what was happening, but I dont think it was displayed on the screens within the bus stops.
Most people don't pay attention to the big electronic screens in the town centre, there aren't any real-time electronic screens in the bus shelters though.
IMO, that's because the screens are facing wrong way. Both of the screens in Solihull Town Centre should be facing to the bus shelters, not away from it.
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Still the same yesterday. Be sorted soon. :)
Quote from: settlerman on November 20, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Struggled to get the bus stop plate and the real time in focus, but according to Centro's Real time the next buses at Six Ways Erdington are a 63, a 61, and the 144!
Still the same yesterday. Be sorted soon. :)
Now showing "Information available from December 1st"
According to RTI in Coventry NXC's 20 has been shown as going to Atherstone on the last few Sundays!
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
Why has the 144 and the 45/47 stop at New Street swapped? The 144 doesn't even go up that far to serve the old Pershore Road stop.
Obviously an error on their part,
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
I never knew the and s2 came into kings heath :p
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 07, 2014, 01:56:40 PM
I never knew the and s2 came into kings heath :p
Didn't you know, the 5 does too ;)
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
You'll have to go there and find out
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
You'll have to go there and find out
Come on, spill the beans! I'm not travelling all the way to Bearwood just to see something that may not actually turn out to be that interesting! :P
In return, I'll tell you what they've done to stand AL at Acocks Green village interchange, otherwise you'll have to go and look for yourself! ;) :D
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
You'll have to go there and find out
Come on, spill the beans! I'm not travelling all the way to Bearwood just to see something that may not actually turn out to be that interesting! :P
In return, I'll tell you what they've done to stand AL at Acocks Green village interchange, otherwise you'll have to go and look for yourself! ;) :D
It's talking.
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
You'll have to go there and find out
Come on, spill the beans! I'm not travelling all the way to Bearwood just to see something that may not actually turn out to be that interesting! :P
In return, I'll tell you what they've done to stand AL at Acocks Green village interchange, otherwise you'll have to go and look for yourself! ;) :D
It's talking.
Sure it's not voices in your head? :p
Joking aside, talking how? Announcing next buses due?
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
Have noticed on a number of bus stopos around Stourbridge that the flags are looking very worn, how often do they get changed?
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Have noticed on a number of bus stopos around Stourbridge that the flags are looking very worn, how often do they get changed?
When the routes at the stops themselves get changed by the looks of it. I've seen a few round by me that have faded very badly, must be where they're exposed to long periods of direct sunlight, noticeable examples can be found on Shaftmoor Lane in Hall Green/Acocks Green. Hopefully they'll be reapplied soon as the 31A is being withdrawn from 27th April.
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
. What is it
You'll have to go there and find out
Come on, spill the beans! I'm not travelling all the way to Bearwood just to see something that may not actually turn out to be that interesting! :P
In return, I'll tell you what they've done to stand AL at Acocks Green village interchange, otherwise you'll have to go and look for yourself! ;) :D
It's talking.
Sure it's not voices in your head? :p
Joking aside, talking how? Announcing next buses due?
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
It announces the next few departures in real time when a bus pulls up VERY LOUDLY LIKE THIS SO THAT EVERYONE ON THE BUS CAN HEAR IT! I think it's the same voice used on the stops around Bartley Green.
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
And the ones on Broad Street opposite the Library.
Quote from: Matt on April 07, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
If anybody was to pay a visit to Bearwood interchange, they might notice something interesting about the Stourbridge 9 stop...
It's talking.
The one on the opposite side of the road didn't have any timetables in it today, just the RTI display
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
Strange that they haven't done this to the other shelters in Acocks Green village.
Is it to save money on the cleaning contract with OCS I wonder? (less shelter = less for OCS to clean lol :D)
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
Strange that they haven't done this to the other shelters in Acocks Green village.
Is it to save money on the cleaning contract with OCS I wonder? (less shelter = less for OCS to clean lol :D)
This has happened in Coventry, especially on the Holyhead Rd, it appears only shelters carrying double-sided adverts [some scrolling on one side and fixed the other] have been altered. Presumably Network WM & Clear Channel Adshel have come to a recent agreement whereby the frontal piece of some shelters - the bit nearest the kerb - can be removed allowing the ad to be seen from the road more easily. On a similar theme Adshel's 10-year exclusive right to advertise on Centro/NWM's shelters comes to an end in July, I guess expressions of interest etc will be issued soon, if they haven't already.
Only noticed yesterday that the 37 stop in Acocks Green (outside Wilko) has gained a TFT real-time information display inside.
Also I see NWM have been busy updating more bus stop flags, the badly faded ones on Shaftmoor Lane have finally been replaced late last week, and they've done the ones on Bradford Street and Stratford Road today.
Is the really old 590A flag by Water Orton station on the 70 route still there?
Quote from: Matt on April 14, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Is the really old 590A flag by Water Orton station on the 70 route still there?
I have been travelling on 70 couple of weeks ago, I did see a few of old bus stop flags of 590A.
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 14, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 14, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Is the really old 590A flag by Water Orton station on the 70 route still there?
I have been travelling on 70 couple of weeks ago, I did see a few of old bus stop flags of 590A.
Walk around the corner, over the bridge with the station on, follow the road to the right and at the bottom of the hill opposite the Dog Inn you will see a flag with Mid-Warwickshire Motors on!
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 08, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
Strange that they haven't done this to the other shelters in Acocks Green village.
Is it to save money on the cleaning contract with OCS I wonder? (less shelter = less for OCS to clean lol :D)
This has happened in Coventry, especially on the Holyhead Rd, it appears only shelters carrying double-sided adverts [some scrolling on one side and fixed the other] have been altered. Presumably Network WM & Clear Channel Adshel have come to a recent agreement whereby the frontal piece of some shelters - the bit nearest the kerb - can be removed allowing the ad to be seen from the road more easily. On a similar theme Adshel's 10-year exclusive right to advertise on Centro/NWM's shelters comes to an end in July, I guess expressions of interest etc will be issued soon, if they haven't already.
To confirm what you've stated re the advertising...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/midlands-bus-shelter-ads-leave-6983241
I travelled on the 70 a couple of weeks ago, saw a few stops that still had 590C on the flags, the ones outside the Network West Midlands area. Through Coleshill, all the stops show the 70 on the timetable display, but not on the flags themselves.
Quote from: Stu on April 14, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
I travelled on the 70 a couple of weeks ago, saw a few stops that still had 590C on the flags, the ones outside the Network West Midlands area. Through Coleshill, all the stops show the 70 on the timetable display, but not on the flags themselves.
I've seen these, I find it quite nostalgic from the Metrobus days.
If it wasn't clear enough how frequent the 50 is. I saw 5 50 depatures all at 13:53 (Moor Street/Bullring stop). Also the 31A terminus is Three May Poles, according to the stop outside Moor Street station
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 14, 2014, 08:32:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 14, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
I travelled on the 70 a couple of weeks ago, saw a few stops that still had 590C on the flags, the ones outside the Network West Midlands area. Through Coleshill, all the stops show the 70 on the timetable display, but not on the flags themselves.
I've seen these, I find it quite nostalgic from the Metrobus days.
If it wasn't clear enough how frequent the 50 is. I saw 5 50 depatures all at 13:53 (Moor Street/Bullring stop). Also the 31A terminus is Three May Poles, according to the stop outside Moor Street station
Technically yes, the part of Shirley by Marshall Lake Road (near The Green Business Park) is Three Maypoles.
Quote from: notepanel on April 14, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 08, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
(That does trump stand AL in Acocks Green, for some reason, they've taken off the side next to the road, so the whole shelter is open on that side. The shelter's not been replaced, still the same one. No idea why they've done it.)
They have done that to most of the stops on Hawthorn Road, plus the 7/28 stop at the Crossways
Strange that they haven't done this to the other shelters in Acocks Green village.
Is it to save money on the cleaning contract with OCS I wonder? (less shelter = less for OCS to clean lol :D)
This has happened in Coventry, especially on the Holyhead Rd, it appears only shelters carrying double-sided adverts [some scrolling on one side and fixed the other] have been altered. Presumably Network WM & Clear Channel Adshel have come to a recent agreement whereby the frontal piece of some shelters - the bit nearest the kerb - can be removed allowing the ad to be seen from the road more easily. On a similar theme Adshel's 10-year exclusive right to advertise on Centro/NWM's shelters comes to an end in July, I guess expressions of interest etc will be issued soon, if they haven't already.
To confirm what you've stated re the advertising...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/midlands-bus-shelter-ads-leave-6983241
I presumed that was the reason - but that article confirms it. Here in Coventry, whenever a shelter carrying ads has been removed for renewal/road-works/accident damage etc - and a new bus shelter is installed, rarely do NWM/Adshel re-install the advert. Corporation St, Upper Well St, Burges, Greyfriars Rd in the city-centre, Jubilee Crescent, some stops on London Rd are examples, the list goes on. These are apparently prominent positions - but Adshel don't seem that bothered, bearing in-mind they are paying for the privilege.
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2014, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 14, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 14, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
Is the really old 590A flag by Water Orton station on the 70 route still there?
I have been travelling on 70 couple of weeks ago, I did see a few of old bus stop flags of 590A.
Walk around the corner, over the bridge with the station on, follow the road to the right and at the bottom of the hill opposite the Dog Inn you will see a flag with Heart of England on!
And here is a photograph of it!
It's like in Burton Green the old stop is still there for services like the 44 and 4 others on there
I've noticed the bus stop poles along the bottom of Moor St, by Hotel Lator have been removed and replaced by 'old style' ones.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 02, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
I've noticed the bus stop poles along the bottom of Moor St, by Hotel Lator have been removed and replaced by 'old style' ones.
Most of the 'modern' poles have been replaced. I think the only one still standing (excuse the pun) is the one on Pershore Street for the 16, 16A, 45 & 47.
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2014, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 02, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
I've noticed the bus stop poles along the bottom of Moor St, by Hotel Lator have been removed and replaced by 'old style' ones.
Most of the 'modern' poles have been replaced. I think the only one still standing (excuse the pun) is the one on Pershore Street for the 16, 16A, 45 & 47.
And all those on the other side of Moor Street Queensway, Moor Street, Bull Street, Colmore Row, The Priory Queensway, Corporation Street, and several more
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2014, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: clayderman on November 02, 2014, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 02, 2014, 12:39:14 PM
I've noticed the bus stop poles along the bottom of Moor St, by Hotel Lator have been removed and replaced by 'old style' ones.
Most of the 'modern' poles have been replaced. I think the only one still standing (excuse the pun) is the one on Pershore Street for the 16, 16A, 45 & 47.
And all those on the other side of Moor Street Queensway, Moor Street, Bull Street, Colmore Row, The Priory Queensway, Corporation Street, and several more
Oh, I didn't mean those big slabs of a bus stop... :P But yeah, those too. I meant the flagpole bus stops. I'd forgotten the words at the time. :o :)
One at Robin Hood Island looked like it had collapsed and one on Highgate road had got its window smashed.
The electronic displays were playing up this morning on Colmore Row - service numbers were showing on the wrong stops. Fixed by the time I came home.
The one for the 50 was completely dead this morning too.
Quote from: Matt on January 30, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 30, 2015, 08:45:07 PM
The one for the 50 was completely dead this morning too.
Was going to say, makes a nice change from blank!
Nothing but a cock up from the start but what do I know!
Thursday night was fun on colmore row all the stops changed service, harborne services moved to the dudley rd stop, hagley Rd to harborne stop, and finally dudley Rd to hagley Rd stop. Good fun people running around like headless chickens, I,d like to think somebody at centro was being mischivious with the computer. To be be honest it made sense to group all buses heading up the hagley road together.
Quote from: 2900 on January 31, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
Thursday night was fun on colmore row all the stops changed service, harborne services moved to the dudley rd stop, hagley Rd to harborne stop, and finally dudley Rd to hagley Rd stop. Good fun people running around like headless chickens, I,d like to think somebody at centro was being mischivious with the computer. To be be honest it made sense to group all buses heading up the hagley road together.
It works a lot better now though as the Harborne services do not block Colmore Row any more while they are changing drivers
I have also noticed today that quite a few electronic bus stop displays were not working, 2 I can remember are the Aston Uni stop and the 65/7 stop on The Priory Queensway
For some reason the RTI screen at the Bromford Lane, Old Bromford lane stop (Clockwise), is showing that the next 11C due there is at 05:09 (AM).
Quote from: 2206 on January 02, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
For some reason the RTI screen at the Bromford Lane, Old Bromford lane stop (Clockwise), is showing that the next 11C due there is at 05:09 (AM).
RTI screens on the 11 route don't appear to be working properly at the minute. Bromford Lane Old Bromford Lane hasn't been working properly for over a month.
They're always stuck on something, frozen on something different each day, today I got to the Old Bromford Lane stop and it was showing 57 minutes (which didn't seem right), but then it was going down to 56 and it wasn't frozen and by the time it got to 49 minutes I thought that it might actually be correct as it looked like it was working, though it turned out to still not be working and a 11 turned up. Others that aren't working properly are the big display at the Swan that was stuck on 02:29 AM and the 11A stop at Stechford Station.
RTI screen at the 51 stand in Walsall Bus Station hasn't worked properly for the last 2 months now.
The one RTI screen for the 93* and 99* services on Bull Street looks like it's been stolen as the wires are the visible inside the glass.
The Perry Barr, Station Bridge bus stop has been replaced a pole stop as has the Newtown Shopping Centre outbound stop which is now a pole stop.
Quote from: Jack on February 27, 2018, 08:54:00 PM
RTI screen at the 51 stand in Walsall Bus Station hasn't worked properly for the last 2 months now.
The one RTI screen for the 93* and 99* services on Bull Street looks like it's been stolen as the wires are the visible inside the glass.
The RTI Screen at the 11C stop at Bromford Lane, Old Bromford Lane hasn't been working properly since Christmas now.
The big RTI Screens at the Fox and Goose haven't been working properly for months either.
There was a fire before Christmas involving a Diamond vehicle, destroying the shelter at Bloxwich Road / Green Lane southbound towards Walsall.
While the shelter was replaced, the RTI display hasn't been to date.
Quote from: Westy on April 02, 2018, 09:13:33 PM
There was a fire before Christmas involving a Diamond vehicle, destroying the shelter at Bloxwich Road / Green Lane southbound towards Walsall.
While the shelter was replaced, the RTI display hasn't been to date.
Wasn't that 20845 on the 302 that deceided to toast itself?
Quote from: Jack on April 02, 2018, 05:35:59 PM
The Perry Barr, Station Bridge bus stop has been replaced a pole stop as has the Newtown Shopping Centre outbound stop which is now a pole stop.
Newtown is a temp one I believe
But the Perry Barr one baffles me, no shelter at a busy stop like that?
Quote from: Kevin on April 03, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
Newtown is a temp one I believe
But the Perry Barr one baffles me, no shelter at a busy stop like that?
I was surprised when I first saw it, it is a busy stop so it should have its shelter back.
Quote from: Jack on April 03, 2018, 09:09:11 AM
I was surprised when I first saw it, it is a busy stop so it should have its shelter back.
Quote from: Kevin on April 03, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
Newtown is a temp one I believe
But the Perry Barr one baffles me, no shelter at a busy stop like that?
Right, let me address this. If a stop is to be changed from a shelter to a pole or visa versa a survey, by the team I work on is conducted. This survey consists of someone being stood at the stop from 7am-7pm over the course of two days monitoring boarders and alighters, this information is then passed on to a different department and is reviewed.
They obviously did not feel that the stop was busy enough to justify a shelter.
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 10:40:43 AM
Right, let me address this. If a stop is to be changed from a shelter to a pole or visa versa a survey, by the team I work on is conducted. This survey consists of someone being stood at the stop from 7am-7pm over the course of two days monitoring boarders and alighters, this information is then passed on to a different department and is reviewed.
They obviously did not feel that the stop was busy enough to justify a shelter.
And of course there is a possibility that more streetworks are planned, so reinstating a shelter to have to remove it again when streetworks start is just extra costs
TfWM do have portable shelters which have appeared in Coventry city centre from time to time. I appreciate there may well be need for local council involvement.
Could the bus shelters at merry hill D and E be changed to a enclosed shelter since the matalan canopy has been removed?
Quote from: Chris on April 03, 2018, 12:08:56 PM
Could the bus shelters at merry hill D and E be changed to a enclosed shelter since the matalan canopy has been removed?
No.
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 10:40:43 AM
Right, let me address this. If a stop is to be changed from a shelter to a pole or visa versa a survey, by the team I work on is conducted. This survey consists of someone being stood at the stop from 7am-7pm over the course of two days monitoring boarders and alighters, this information is then passed on to a different department and is reviewed.
They obviously did not feel that the stop was busy enough to justify a shelter.
Straight up never seen you guys there and I pass the stop twice a day, hell even use it myself a couple times a week but I'll take your slightly arrogant word for it - you guys apparently have data proving me wrong
Quote from: Tony on April 03, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
And of course there is a possibility that more streetworks are planned, so reinstating a shelter to have to remove it again when streetworks start is just extra costs
That scenario seems plausible but if they know there's more works likely couldn't they just leave the temp one further round the corner? Or if it's done on a "we don't know if there's more streetworks" then could you not apply that logic to literally every single bus stop?
Quote from: Kevin on April 03, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
Straight up never seen you guys there and I pass the stop twice a day, hell even use it myself a couple times a week but I'll take your slightly arrogant word for it - you guys apparently have data proving me wrong
Not arrogant at all Kevin. Simply I am telling you how it is. We don't just think oh let's make that a flag pole there has to be evidence to back up the decision. I had one a few months back on Wrens Nest, they reviewed the data and decided to keep it as a shelter.
These surveys have also been carried out around Walsall. You may not see people as theseen surveys can be carried out from the surveyours car.
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
Not arrogant at all Kevin. Simply I am telling you how it is. We don't just think oh let's make that a flag pole there has to be evidence to back up the decision. I had one a few months back on Wrens Nest, they reviewed the data and decided to keep it as a shelter.
These surveys have also been carried out around Walsall. You may not see people as theseen surveys can be carried out from the surveyours car.
Your guys have obviously not seen this stop, it's 95% busy during the day!
Quote from: Kevin on April 03, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
Straight up never seen you guys there and I pass the stop twice a day, hell even use it myself a couple times a week but I'll take your slightly arrogant word for it - you guys apparently have data proving me wrong
That scenario seems plausible but if they know there's more works likely couldn't they just leave the temp one further round the corner? Or if it's done on a "we don't know if there's more streetworks" then could you not apply that logic to literally every single bus stop?
That Stop has been many times during the last few months and that naff temporary Stop was placed by the relief point for the 52. I agree it should be moved down slightly where the shelter could stay and not be messed around with.
While were on about this but could the 907 share a Stop with the 33 at the One Stop bus station? Sorry but I don't see the point that it's shares the Stop with the 46. Not only that but the 46 always has a lot of people waiting for it compared to the 907. Also they don't really follow each other. But it probably won't happen, the 907 is neglected so it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Jack on April 03, 2018, 08:47:42 PM
Your guys have obviously not seen this stop, it's 95% busy during the day!
That Stop has been many times during the last few months and that naff temporary Stop was placed by the relief point for the 52. I agree it should be moved down slightly where the shelter could stay and not be messed around with.
While were on about this but could the 907 share a Stop with the 33 at the One Stop bus station? Sorry but I don't see the point that it's shares the Stop with the 46. Not only that but the 46 always has a lot of people waiting for it compared to the 907. Also they don't really follow each other. But it probably won't happen, the 907 is neglected so it doesn't matter.
I agree with you on the 907 (my route) on both counts. I wish the would move it away from the X51 stop in Lower Bull Street, the amount of times a 907 can't get in is countless. I wonder if it would be better stopping with the 934-4/997, I know there are more buses from this stop but the present stop with the X51 is in a very tight spot.
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 10:40:43 AM
Right, let me address this. If a stop is to be changed from a shelter to a pole or visa versa a survey, by the team I work on is conducted. This survey consists of someone being stood at the stop from 7am-7pm over the course of two days monitoring boarders and alighters, this information is then passed on to a different department and is reviewed.
They obviously did not feel that the stop was busy enough to justify a shelter.
And here lies some of the money wasted by TfWM!
Quote from: Straightlines on April 03, 2018, 10:16:10 PM
And here lies some of the money wasted by TfWM!
Haha you do have a point. I couldn't care less whether it was a pole or bus shelter, just go out for when the bus is due and you don't have to use the shelter anyway
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 03, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
Haha you do have a point. I couldn't care less whether it was a pole or bus shelter, just go out for when the bus is due and you don't have to use the shelter anyway
Unless it's the 9 and regardless of when it's due you could still be waiting 40 minutes in the rain? 😉😉
The new bus shelters are crap anyway with half the walls missing, might as well be a pole for what good they are in the rain. Tfwm don't care about passengers at all.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 03, 2018, 10:39:56 PM
The new bus shelters are crap anyway with half the walls missing, might as well be a pole for what good they are in the rain. Tfwm don't care about passengers at all.
That's another good point the amount that have glass shattered by the youths!
Quote from: Mike K on April 03, 2018, 10:36:05 PM
Unless it's the 9 and regardless of when it's due you could still be waiting 40 minutes in the rain? 😉😉
Just have to pray it's not raining in those circumstances 😁
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 03, 2018, 10:41:02 PM
That's another good point the amount that have glass shattered by the youths!
I meant the perfectly good stops tfwm are ripping out across Birmingham and replacing with short silver ones that have half the walls missing, just to cash in on adverts!
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
Not arrogant at all Kevin. Simply I am telling you how it is. We don't just think oh let's make that a flag pole there has to be evidence to back up the decision. I had one a few months back on Wrens Nest, they reviewed the data and decided to keep it as a shelter.
These surveys have also been carried out around Walsall. You may not see people as theseen surveys can be carried out from the surveyours car.
Have the stops on Green Lane in Walsall that are only served by the X51 been looked at?
Only 2 to 3 journeys each way & a few shelters on that section.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 03, 2018, 10:39:56 PM
The new bus shelters are crap anyway with half the walls missing, might as well be a pole for what good they are in the rain. Tfwm don't care about passengers at all.
The green and yellow ones (from the late 90s) are like that too. Just so an advert display can be put into the side of a grey one.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 03, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
I agree with you on the 907 (my route) on both counts. I wish the would move it away from the X51 stop in Lower Bull Street, the amount of times a 907 can't get in is countless. I wonder if it would be better stopping with the 934-4/997, I know there are more buses from this stop but the present stop with the X51 is in a very tight spot.
Yes you are right at the City stop, the frequent non-limited stop services (33/51/52/52A) make it hard for the X51 and 907 to get into their Stop. Either put the 907 with the other 9** routes or swap the X51/907 Stop with the non-limited Stop services.
Has anyone seen the state of the shelter at the Reedswood Sainsbury's? Has no seats, half of the windows are missing (some dumped into the bushes) and you can barely stand inside it as it's full of trolleys.
@Westy have you seen this one? It's a poxy small (I mean small) blue and orange one, may as well put a pole stop there, but TfWM don't want to fix it, so putting a Pole Stop up will probably save money (//)
Quote from: Straightlines on April 03, 2018, 10:16:10 PM
And here lies some of the money wasted by TfWM!
Well said sir
Quote from: Dom on April 03, 2018, 11:08:21 PM
You're one to talk with your FoI requests!
Yeah yeah, whatever, DILLIGAF what you think. I'm entitled to an opinion just like everyone else, same as I'm entitled as a council taxpayer to know what frivolity the Combined Authority is coming up with such as swapping perfectly good bus shelters to poles or crap such as Whim.
Quote from: Jack on April 03, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
The green and yellow ones (from the late 90s) are like that too. Just so an advert display can be put into the side of a grey one.
Yes you are right at the City stop, the frequent non-limited stop services (33/51/52/52A) make it hard for the X51 and 907 to get into their Stop. Either put the 907 with the other 9** routes or swap the X51/907 Stop with the non-limited Stop services.
Has anyone seen the state of the shelter at the Reedswood Sainsbury's? Has no seats, half of the windows are missing (some dumped into the bushes) and you can barely stand inside it as it's full of trolleys. @Westy have you seen this one? It's a poxy small (I mean small) blue and orange one, may as well put a pole stop there, but TfWM don't want to fix it, so putting a Pole Stop up will probably save money (//)
Know the stop you mean, but its not to often I go down as its slightly 'off the beaten track' to my normal route.
Bromford Drive, Sandown Road stop inbound has had its blue and orange shelter very recently replaced with a grey one (with walls)! The blue and orange one wasn't that old.
Had it confirmed by TfWM that the pole on Birchfield Road opposite Perry Barr bus station is indeed temporary, and the utility company responsible for the works are contributing towards a replacement shelter
Any body seen the new bus stop poles and flag type they are putting up with a red reflective stripe running from top to bottom so at night when the lights of the bus hits it it lights up in red
Quote from: karl724223 on April 29, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
Any body seen the new bus stop poles and flag type they are putting up with a red reflective stripe running from top to bottom so at night when the lights of the bus hits it it lights up in red
The pole stop opposite Perry Barr bus station has those red reflective stripes.
Are all stops getting it noticed one in brownhills has got the red stripe too.
I noticed today, that TFWM have not removed the 59A route number from the flag at the Old Yardley Park stop on Sedgmere Road in Yardley (towards Solihull on the 73). Though the service was withdrawn 13 months ago in June 2017.
Shady Lane, Aldridge Road inbound stop has recently reverted back to a pole stop. I remember the whole fiasco with getting a mini-shelter at that stop a couple of years ago.
The 46/907 stop at Perry Barr Bus station has been removed and a temporary stop with one those huge bases has appeared. I have a gut feeling the new shelter won't have walls just so money is cashed in from advertisers ::)
I see the 1A/76 stop on Aston Webb Boulevard still says 'Towards Northfield'...
One I haven't noticed since the reintroduction of the 952, they moved the stop for it at Lower Tower Street (Newtown Row outbound) so it's now with the Aldridge Road services instead of with the 51. Don't understand the logic behind that
Quote from: Kevin on July 28, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
One I haven't noticed since the reintroduction of the 952, they moved the stop for it at Lower Tower Street (Newtown Row outbound) so it's now with the Aldridge Road services instead of with the 51. Don't understand the logic behind that
I noticed that too, nobody even uses it there outbound anyway so doesn't make a difference.
Why is it that all buses around Smallbrook Queensway now only have one stop bar the 80/A? Why does it need both?
Also I notice the Smallbrook Interchange info has been updated. Everything apart from Weoley Castle that is that still states X64. More proof that they don't give a toss.
Seen a few red and grey pillared bus stops around in wordsley and amblecote road
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 07, 2018, 04:46:40 PM
Why is it that all buses around Smallbrook Queensway now only have one stop bar the 80/A? Why does it need both?
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Too many buses likely, isn't enough space outside Boots for that many vehicles an hour to stop, even off peak it easily got chaotic there
On a side note from this, I did note the other day that all the outbound Stratford Road services now call at both the Palmerston Road and Stoney Lane stops.
Previously the 2, 3 and 37 out of city would only stop at Palmerston Road, with the 5, 6 and 31 stopping at Stoney Lane. Now the 4, 4A, 5 and 6 serve both stops.
(Obviously the 2 and 3 now both serve Stoney Lane directly)
Perhaps an example of how a simplified network works for the benefit of passengers?
(On another side note, its nice how the bus route numbers are sequenced on how they veer away from Stratford Road, first the 2 and 3 at Stoney Lane, then the 4 and 4A at Warwick Road, and then the 5 at Court Road/Showell Green Lane, leaving the 6 to continue on to Hall Green and Shirley :) )
Quote from: Kevin on August 07, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Too many buses likely, isn't enough space outside Boots for that many vehicles an hour to stop, even off peak it easily got chaotic there
Yeah that's fine, so why keep the 80/A there when they stop just down the road?
Or better that stop could've been for the 80/A only with the 23/24 staying where they were. Don't see what the point in moving them was.
First stop on the Warwick Rd outbound after Stratford Road still has 37 on the flag
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 07, 2018, 09:38:31 PM
Yeah that's fine, so why keep the 80/A there when they stop just down the road?
Or better that stop could've been for the 80/A only with the 23/24 staying where they were. Don't see what the point in moving them was.
Granted I don't quite see the point in that as well
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2018, 11:41:33 AM
First stop on the Warwick Rd outbound after Stratford Road still has 37 on the flag
Its the same for all the 'electronic' flags along Warwick Road. To the best of my knowledge, the Boscombe Road one has never shown any route number.
Not sure if this has been posted already, but I've just seen this photo on Flickr by Elliott Brown...Looks like these will be the new bus stop flags that are being introduced...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/30096275448/
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 10, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
Not sure if this has been posted already, but I've just seen this photo on Flickr by Elliott Brown...Looks like these will be the new bus stop flags that are being introduced...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/30096275448/
Dull...Uninspiring...Insipid
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 10, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
Not sure if this has been posted already, but I've just seen this photo on Flickr by Elliott Brown...Looks like these will be the new bus stop flags that are being introduced...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/30096275448/
What a shame, I always thought the VAG rounded font looked smart and well suited, this is just very basic and underwhelming.
Who on earth thought white would be a good colour choice, remember how filthy and grubby the TWM flags ended up looking!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 10, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
What a shame, I always thought the VAG rounded font looked smart and well suited, this is just very basic and underwhelming.
Who on earth thought white would be a good colour choice, remember how filthy and grubby the TWM flags ended up looking!
Oh no, what is the thing with white? These new flats look awful. It doesn't look very pleasing at all, ugh TfWM.
There's about 5-6 of these new flags on the 50 route between Kings Heath & Maypole. I noticed one between Moseley & Kings Heath too.
Quote from: Jack on August 12, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
Oh no, what is the thing with white? These new flats look awful. It doesn't look very pleasing at all, ugh TfWM.
If you zoom in on the top section, left hand side, you can already see patches of dirt and it's still brand new!
Quote from: MW on August 12, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
There's about 5-6 of these new flags on the 50 route between Kings Heath & Maypole.
Probably hoping to make up for the stops they've closed on that section!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 12, 2018, 05:18:06 PM
If you zoom in on the top section, left hand side, you can already see patches of dirt and it's still brand new!
Oh wonderful... these flags look cheap and tacky.
Quote from: Jack on August 12, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
these flags look cheap and tacky.
It's probably to save 1p on the blue ink...
Now that the 'anti-TfWM' crew have had their say, I think this look quite smart to be honest.
A clean simple design, very similar to the TFL design in London, and yes, reminiscent of the old Travel West Midlands flags. Although to be honest, I thought the backgrounds of the route numbers might have been colour-coded, in the same way they appear on Google Maps, and as per route brandings.
While I like the blue NWM design, lets face it, they were prone to fading, especially when positioned facing direct sunlight for long periods of the day.
I would question why they didn't use this design when replacing all the flags recently for the South Birmingham review, unless there is to be a strategy of gradual replacement.
As
@Stu says, clear and simple. It looks a darn sight better and clearer than the horrible black ones!
One thing I miss from the past is the reflective strip on the WMPTE stops. This was highly effective, and useful to passengers and occasionally drivers in less familiar territory on a dark or dreary night.
I've been wanting to put my twopence in, but haven't found the right words to express my emotions, but here goes...
I don't know what to make of it; it's just a bus stop flag, and it does the job. Simple and concise may be two words to describe it; dull and uninspiring are two others that come to my mind. As I've said, it does the job, but I can't help but think it looks a little too basic.
I'll agree with
@Stu in saying that a dash of colour won't hurt. Even having a tech-giant like Google colour code the routes according to their corresponding branding is a welcome touch - an opportunity that seems to have gone amiss here. I suppose the problem with colour coding routes like the 50 is the competition between two operators (which I know TfWM hopes to sort out through integration)... If rolled out onto other routes, like the 7 for example, purple blobs would be a nice feature.
My main irk with the new flags are the typeface. I'd have liked to have seen the font match the one of the corporate branding, as per with the current design. It's hard to compare its aesthetic nature to the bus stops in London, whose longstanding transport infrastructure has resulted in their own in-house Johnston typeface being produced/used. Now I'm not suggesting the West Midlands goes out of their way to produce a new typeface, but one which matches the brand identity of West Midlands Bus would definitely feel more welcoming to the new franchise.
Appearance wise, I can see where the London element comes from. You've got the grey here, and the red there. Sad to see the eradication of blue from both buses and bus stops alike, now. Though, in terms of fading, surely red, or any other colour for that matter, would eventually begin to fade as well? Having said that, I have seen a few faded (but predominantly blue) NWM flags, and they're not pretty! On a similar topic (regarding colours), the silver bus stops, as both a shelter and a pole, have blue and orange trims. What's to become of those? A new lick of paint, perhaps?
Overall, I know most of what I've said sounds negative. Of course, I've no political agenda with TfWM... Yet. But, admittedly, I'm not a fan of change. Especially if it's not executed properly. I didn't like National Express West Midlands' red and white livery because of how basic it was. And yet, I appear to have adapted to it. ;)
I went on the number 6 to Sutton Coldfield (lovely route) where I saw a very old bus stop shelter made out of wood and the passenger got on and I overheard him saying that the bus stop is full of spide webs and creepy crawlers and he might go to an alternative bus stop
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 25, 2018, 11:31:34 PM
I went on the number 6 to Sutton Coldfield (lovely route) where I saw a very old bus stop shelter made out of wood and the passenger got on and I overheard him saying that the bus stop is full of spide webs and creepy crawlers and he might go to an alternative bus stop
I know which one you're on about...
In Little Aston, out of the WM boundary so are under Staffs, hence why it's wood, many of the bus shelters around Staffs are wood.
Quote from: Jack on August 26, 2018, 12:15:08 AM
I know which one you're on about...
In Little Aston, out of the WM boundary so are under Staffs, hence why it's wood, many of the bus shelters around Staffs are wood.
But I never noticed it before and thanks for the info
Why can't TfWM come to some arrangement over certain Staffs bus stops like the ones on the 6, where it dips in & out of the WM county, & be allowed to put their information in the stop?
(Or alternatively, based on what I saw yesterday going to Lichfield, NX could put it's own info in the stops, as they're the only operator serving the stops concerned!)
Quote from: Westy on August 26, 2018, 12:15:23 PM
Why can't TfWM come to some arrangement over certain Staffs bus stops like the ones on the 6, where it dips in & out of the WM county, & be allowed to put their information in the stop?
(Or alternatively, based on what I saw yesterday going to Lichfield, NX could put it's own info in the stops, as they're the only operator serving the stops concerned!)
Probably because it's got nothing to do with TFWM. TFWM don't manage the bus services and bus shelters in Staffordshire, Staffordshire Council do, so it's probably down to the council/operator to put info up at stops.
In Warwickshire in Coleshill and Water Orton (the last time I went there - a few weeks back now), the old 590A/C route number was still on some of the flags with TWM logos as well, some in Coleshill had old 75X route numbers as well, and the 590A/C hasn't operated for about 10 years now.
Though I can't see what's stopping NX from putting there own X70 info up on the flags in the area, Central buses did and put Connection 75 and route info for there 75 service on some flags in the Coleshill area only a year or two ago.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2018, 12:32:15 PM
Probably because it's got nothing to do with TFWM. TFWM don't manage the bus services and bus shelters in Staffordshire, Staffordshire Council do, so it's probably down to the council/operator to put info up at stops.
In Warwickshire in Coleshill and Water Orton (the last time I went there - a few weeks back now), the old 590A/C route number was still on some of the flags with TWM logos as well, some in Coleshill had old 75X route numbers as well, and the 590A/C hasn't operated for about 10 years now.
Though I can't see what's stopping NX from putting there own X70 info up at stops in the area, Central buses did and put Connection 75 and route info for there 75 service on some flags in the Coleshill area only a year or two ago.
Spot on. When it's not in the TfWM boundary, they have no right to put TfWM flags up.
For example, First have put Salt Road branded flags through Rubery village.
Also it's no secret staffs is no lover of TfWM or their policies so putting a TfWM stop in staffs would go down like the titanic
Quote from: Dom on August 26, 2018, 04:01:46 PM
Spot on. When it's not in the TfWM boundary, they have no right to put TfWM flags up.
For example, First have put Salt Road branded flags through Rubery village.
There is only one on the Whetty Lane though.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2018, 12:32:15 PM
Though I can't see what's stopping NX from putting there own X70 info up at stops in the area, Central buses did and put Connection 75 and route info for there 75 service on some flags in the Coleshill area only a year or two ago.
If you actually look at the printed timetables at those stops, you'll find the X70 timetables shown on them. Last time I went through Coleshill (when it was the 70) they did at least I did notice.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2018, 07:57:56 PM
If you actually look at the printed timetables at those stops, you'll find the X70 timetables shown on them. Last time I went through Coleshill (when it was the 70) they did at least I did notice.
There's a standard Warwickshire timetable at the stops with the departure times from the stop, yes.
What I meant was covering up old 590A/590C route numbers and Travel West Midland logos on the flags with a NXWM logo and a X70 , like Central Buses did when they put the 75 on the flags (along with a list of placed served.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2018, 08:04:38 PM
There's a standard Warwickshire timetable at the stops with the departure times from the stop, yes.
What I meant was covering up old 590A/590C route numbers and Travel West Midland logos on the flags with a NXWM logo and a X70 , like Central Buses did when they put the 75 on the flags (along with a list of placed served.
As has previously been stated, as those stops are outside the TfWM area, what appears on the flags is up to that local authority to provide, and what arrangements bus operators need to make.
Central Buses may have made an arrangement to put stickers on those flags, which NXWM haven't done. If it really bothers you, take this up with Warwickshire CC and NXWM, and you'll probably find the same reason for why bus stops in Burton Green still show the 192 and have Travel West Midlands shown on them.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2018, 09:30:58 PM
As has previously been stated, as those stops are outside the TfWM area, what appears on the flags is up to that local authority to provide, and what arrangements bus operators need to make.
Central Buses may have made an arrangement to put stickers on those flags, which NXWM haven't done. If it really bothers you, take this up with Warwickshire CC and NXWM, and you'll probably find the same reason for why bus stops in Burton Green still show the 192 and have Travel West Midlands shown on them.
I know that it has nothing to do with TFWM, it was me who originally stated that above.
I know that it is down to the council and the operator to make arrangements with them, though I see no reason why it couldn't be done if NX were to do that (removing outdated information in the process) and Central Buses made an arrangement NX haven't. I was just using the Central Buses 75 flags as an example.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
I know that it has nothing to do with TFWM, it was me who originally stated that above.
I know that it is down to the council and the operator to make arrangements with them, though I see no reason why it couldn't be done if NX were to do that and Central Buses made an arrangement NX haven't. I was just using the Central Buses 75 flags as an example.
How come NX can only do it on the 10A but not any other routes that go out of TfWM boundary?
Trying to show the new extension of the 10A?
Why do the stops around the Airport say both the 966 and X12?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 27, 2018, 12:33:11 PM
Why do the stops around the Airport say both the 966 and X12?
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_48966_%20_H_y11-11
Quote from: Jack on August 26, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
How come NX can only do it on the 10A but not any other routes that go out of TfWM boundary?
Trying to show the new extension of the 10A?
They have only put a timetable up, no flag. Staffs wont put a penny towards shelters, flags or anything like that so consequently it's down to the operators to sort.
Arriva have their own signs and flags in random places like Lichfield, parts of Stafford and Sankeys Corner but nowhere else that I have seen.
Quote from: Stu on August 27, 2018, 12:53:42 PM
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/timetables/#/route/cen_48966_%20_H_y11-11
I see. I thought the X12 replaced the 966? So why does it do one trip each way on a Monday between Solihull and Erdington? Sorry if it's a silly question, I'm not familiar with this part of the City.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 27, 2018, 02:23:18 PM
I see. I thought the X12 replaced the 966? So why does it do one trip each way on a Monday between Solihull and Erdington? Sorry if it's a silly question, I'm not familiar with this part of the City.
As DTS don't want to pay for the flags saying 966 to be removed.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 27, 2018, 02:23:18 PM
I see. I thought the X12 replaced the 966? So why does it do one trip each way on a Monday between Solihull and Erdington? Sorry if it's a silly question, I'm not familiar with this part of the City.
The flags refer to the DTS 966.
The X12 and 96 replaced the NX 966.
However the DTS 966 continued for a few months, before being reduced to one journey a day at the end of August 2017, that was then cut down to one journey a week in January 2018.
As was said it appears that DTS don't want to pay for the 966 route number to be removed from every stop on the route.
Quote from: 2206 on August 27, 2018, 05:41:02 PM
The flags refer to the DTS 966.
The X12 and 96 replaced the NX 966.
However the DTS 966 continued for a few months, before being reduced to one journey a day at the end of August 2017, that was then cut down to one journey a week in January 2018.
As was said it appears that DTS don't want to pay for the 966 route number to be removed from every stop on the route.
It's one journey a week now? That's hilarious
Surely someone somewhere has to step in, otherwise we'll start ending up with parliamentary bus services
Regarding the new outbound WM Bus Hagley Road, Francis Road (Five Ways) flag I noticed they've strangely listed X10 before X8 on the flag.
Normally and on every other flag I looked at on the route X8 would be listed before X10.
Quote from: 2206 on August 30, 2018, 09:09:28 PM
Regarding the new outbound WM Bus Hagley Road, Francis Road (Five Ways) flag I noticed they've strangely listed X10 before X8 on the flag.
Normally and on every other flag I looked at on the route X8 would be listed before X10.
I've also noticed the other day that one of the flags at Solihull Station says "S16 Damsonwood", though the S16 doesn't go to the Damsonwood, neither does it go to the Station.
Quote from: 2206 on August 31, 2018, 02:27:58 PM
I've also noticed the other day that one of the flags at Solihull Station says "S16 Damsonwood", though the S16 doesn't go to the Damsonwood, neither does it go to the Station.
Should be S1. I have reported this via the website but nothing seems to have been done...
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 27, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
They have only put a timetable up, no flag. Staffs wont put a penny towards shelters, flags or anything like that so consequently it's down to the operators to sort.
Arriva have their own signs and flags in random places like Lichfield, parts of Stafford and Sankeys Corner but nowhere else that I have seen.
I did notice last week on the 10A runnning day there were certainly 1 or 2 stops where NX had put up 10A flags.
Can't remember exactly where they were now though - Burntwood/Chasetown area.
Quote from: 2206 on September 07, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
I did notice last week on the 10A runnning day there were certainly 1 or 2 stops where NX had put up 10A flags.
Can't remember exactly where they were now though - Burntwood/Chasetown area.
I did the 10A yesterday, I noticed a fair lot more than '1 or 2' in total.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on August 27, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
They have only put a timetable up, no flag. Staffs wont put a penny towards shelters, flags or anything like that so consequently it's down to the operators to sort.
Arriva have their own signs and flags in random places like Lichfield, parts of Stafford and Sankeys Corner but nowhere else that I have seen.
That explains the disgraceful state of most of the stops, shelters etc. around the Tamworth estates.
Quote from: filbus1 on September 08, 2018, 08:06:11 AM
That explains the disgraceful state of most of the stops, shelters etc. around the Tamworth estates.
I did notice a few of the older style flags on the 10A route as we got closer to Lichfield were damaged, with corners snapped off, and one with most of the flag snapped off, presumably from where they've been hit by a bus and never been fixed.
Quote from: 2206 on September 07, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
I did notice last week on the 10A runnning day there were certainly 1 or 2 stops where NX had put up 10A flags.
Can't remember exactly where they were now though - Burntwood/Chasetown area.
I went the week before, for the Food Festival, & the one was after you crossed the county boundary & negociated the various islands.
It was the first stop!
Quote from: StourValley98 on September 08, 2018, 08:24:11 AM
I did notice a few of the older style flags on the 10A route as we got closer to Lichfield were damaged, with corners snapped off, and one with most of the flag snapped off, presumably from where they've been hit by a bus and never been fixed.
Yes they won't put the route numbers on so you have to guess which services pass unless you are close enough to read the timetable, assuming there is one. They never add new services in staffs so it's not like they will have to change the numbers ever again!
Quote from: 2206 on August 30, 2018, 09:09:28 PM
Regarding the new outbound WM Bus Hagley Road, Francis Road (Five Ways) flag I noticed they've strangely listed X10 before X8 on the flag.
Normally and on every other flag I looked at on the route X8 would be listed before X10.
Same at the Ivy Bush citybound stop, where the X10 is listed before the X8.
Another incident in Solihull where S15 is listed before S2 on the Blossomfield Road/Charles Road stop
Stop NS9 is displaying a message that cuts off, "From the 21st of September services 61, 63, X20, X21 & X22 will alight from stop" because of an error at the start of it saying 'text allign style center' etc. Could anybody expand on that?
Quote from: CL on September 14, 2018, 02:55:52 PM
Same at the Ivy Bush citybound stop, where the X10 is listed before the X8.
Another incident in Solihull where S15 is listed before S2 on the Blossomfield Road/Charles Road stop
They will be.
If you try sorting S2 and S15 by a computer it will always put S15 first, same a computer will always put X10 before X8
And 12A before 12!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2018, 04:20:13 PM
They will be.
If you try sorting S2 and S15 by a computer it will always put S15 first, same a computer will always put X10 before X8
you might think I'm a smarty pants but I'm just explaining it more so say as mentioned by Tony X10 and X8 the 1 is smaller than the 8 so therefore I think the X10 gets put first than the X8
Sorry again that I'm being a smarty pants I know you people will complain about this comment
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 14, 2018, 10:31:04 PM
you might think I'm a smarty pants but I'm just explaining it more so say as mentioned by Tony X10 and X8 the 1 is smaller than the 8 so therefore I think the X10 gets put first than the X8
Sorry again that I'm being a smarty pants I know you people will complain about this comment
The computer won't see 'X10' and 'X8' as a number.
Go onto excel and put X1-X100 in 100 cells and then sort it by ascending. You'll understand if you do this.
Quote from: MW on September 14, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
The computer won't see 'X10' and 'X8' as a number.
Go onto excel and put X1-X100 in 100 cells and then sort it by ascending. You'll understand if you do this.
It's different on different websites
@MW
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2018, 04:20:13 PM
They will be.
If you try sorting S2 and S15 by a computer it will always put S15 first, same a computer will always put X10 before X8
Maybe all bus stops should be like that then? 1, 10, 11, 2, 22, 3, 4... Or not because that would be ridiculous!
Let's be honest here, does it really matter that much? It's hardly like people look at them!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2018, 04:20:13 PM
They will be.
If you try sorting S2 and S15 by a computer it will always put S15 first, same a computer will always put X10 before X8
Quote from: MW on September 14, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
The computer won't see 'X10' and 'X8' as a number.
Go onto excel and put X1-X100 in 100 cells and then sort it by ascending. You'll understand if you do this.
I get it now... :P :-X
Quote from: Dom on September 14, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Let's be honest here, does it really matter that much? It's hardly like people look at them!
They will probably struggle to read them now anyway!
Quote from: V89MOA on September 14, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
They will probably struggle to read them now anyway!
Hardly.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 14, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
They will probably struggle to read them now anyway!
I'd tend to agree to be honest
I mean it's not hard to read them but definitely harder than the previous style, and that's someone with good eyes obviously there's others who cannot see as well
Quote from: Kevin on September 15, 2018, 06:03:46 AM
I'd tend to agree to be honest
I mean it's not hard to read them but definitely harder than the previous style, and that's someone with good eyes obviously there's others who cannot see as well
Agreed here too. My eyesight is perfectly fine but the new stops are very difficult to read until you're really close to them. The older style white on navy are much clearer.
Anyone know if there are any plans to site new bus stops along the X7 route along Cranston Street and Heath Street ?
I imagine they'll put some up near the new houses and hospital site and then nearer to the lights by the prison ?
Quote from: TT90 on September 16, 2018, 08:32:49 AM
Anyone know if there are any plans to site new bus stops along the X7 route along Cranston Street and Heath Street ?
I imagine they'll put some up near the new houses and hospital site and then nearer to the lights by the prison ?
Yes, I believe they're just waiting for the locations to be confirmed.
If NX aren't going to reinstate the stops on Harborne Lane, will they at least get new ones put in for the X20/X21 to serve the Selly Oak Shopping Park? It's already very busy and there's still more shops to come. Seems silly to me to skip past it.
What about for the AG 5 on Wake Green Road between Springfield Road and College Road? It seems quite stupid no new stops installed as that's quite a long section and people seem to be walking quite a distance who use it on that section to get to a stop.
tfwm can't even keep the stops they have now up to date, let alone adding more onto the system!
Can anybody explain why the X20s seem to have moved stop on Smallbrook Queensway to the 23/24 stop?
Does anybody know if the tempoary bus stop by the NIA car park heading town direction is in use or is it just outbound stop in use? I've been told by an X8 driver it's not for them. Thanks in advance :)
So the Hatfield Road stop outbound has had a new shelter, yet the flag is still displaying 52 and 52A! I reported this two weeks back and yet nothing has happened, well done TfWM.
X7 is almost a month old and still no stops sited between Smethwick and City Hospital along Heath Street and Cranston Street. It's a long way without a stop.
Planning issues perhaps causing a delay ?
Quote from: TT90 on September 29, 2018, 11:41:14 PM
X7 is almost a month old and still no stops sited between Smethwick and City Hospital along Heath Street and Cranston Street. It's a long way without a stop.
Planning issues perhaps causing a delay ?
Prehaps its limited stop. I know theres stops outside old college in smethwick then nexts ones are on oldbury road outside train station then kwik save
Quote from: TT90 on September 29, 2018, 11:41:14 PM
X7 is almost a month old and still no stops sited between Smethwick and City Hospital along Heath Street and Cranston Street. It's a long way without a stop.
Planning issues perhaps causing a delay ?
It's Cranford Street, not Cranston, TT90.
It is limited stop, ginger66, but the September 2 timetable leaflet's list of stops said new ones were to be installed on Heath Street and/or Cranford Street, without specifying exactly where.
One near all the new housing opposite the rear north end of the new hospital would make sense.
Aren't the bus stops down to network wm to fit
Quote from: TT90 on September 29, 2018, 11:41:14 PM
X7 is almost a month old and still no stops sited between Smethwick and City Hospital along Heath Street and Cranston Street. It's a long way without a stop.
Planning issues perhaps causing a delay ?
Personally don't think there's any need for stops along there. It's almost like saying there's a huge stretch of the Small Heath bypass with no stops
I was kinda under the impression that the X7 was registered as a flexible route so it can use the 87 route if that's quicker
Quote from: Kevin on October 01, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Personally don't think there's any need for stops along there. It's almost like saying there's a huge stretch of the Small Heath bypass with no stops
I was kinda under the impression that the X7 was registered as a flexible route so it can use the 87 route if that's quicker
It is a flexible route, but only between Galton Bridge and Rolfe Street. It can either use the high street or the dual carriageway.
Heath St and Cranford St is the registered route. However, I agree that no stops are required. Ideally the route should continue all the way down the dual carriageway. However the regent st stop is needed fpr the Rolfe Street and High Street connection.
Will there ever been an actual stop put in by Westmere, Edgebaston Park Road outbound? As it is people just stand in that general area.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 01, 2018, 07:16:50 PM
Will there ever been an actual stop put in by Westmere, Edgebaston Park Road outbound? As it is people just stand in that general area.
The Birmingham bound stop says "And Opposite" on the flag, this means you can hail the bus on the other side of the road and get on there even though there is no bus stop there.
There are a few other examples on the 58/S16 routes - one is Gilberston Avenue, Gothem Road (located just of the Coventry Road).
Quote from: 2206 on October 01, 2018, 07:23:44 PM
The Birmingham bound stop says "And Opposite" this means you can hail the bus on the other side of the road thought there is no stop there.
There are a few other examples on the 58/S16 routes - one is Gilberston Avenue, Gothem Road (located just of the Coventry Road).
Ah fair enough, I didn't know that as I've never been at that stop. Still though, surely an actual stop would be better.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 01, 2018, 07:31:47 PM
Ah fair enough, I didn't know that as I've never been at that stop. Still though, surely an actual stop would be better.
There's actually no pavement on that side of the road from what I remember so it'd probably be impossible to put an actual stop there.
From what I remember people wait in the university drive way?
Quote from: 2206 on October 01, 2018, 07:37:30 PM
There's actually no pavement on that side of the road from what I remember so it'd probably be impossible to put an actual stop there.
From what I remember people wait in the university drive way?
Yes, that's correct.
The Old Lode Lane, Frankton Close (Towards Birmingham) pole stop has fallen over.
The bus stop on Heath Street (by Dudley Road) doesn't have a timetable cover for the X7.
does anybody know what bus service will be stopping at the new bus stops at the side of moor street station
Quote from: Smethwickian on September 30, 2018, 10:23:22 AM
It's Cranford Street, not Cranston, TT90.
It is limited stop, ginger66, but the September 2 timetable leaflet's list of stops said new ones were to be installed on Heath Street and/or Cranford Street, without specifying exactly where.
One near all the new housing opposite the rear north end of the new hospital would make sense.
Today I noticed there are a temporary stops in both directions on Heath Street just north of the Winston Street junction. Presumably a suitable spot to plant permanent poles has been identified or will be installed in due course.
I noticed yesterday that Stand G in West Bromwich Bus Station still had 'Tipton' on the sign for the 44. I can't remember how long ago it was when that route was cut back to Harvills Hawthorn but it must've been at least a couple of years ago?
Quote from: Jordan on October 19, 2018, 02:36:24 PM
does anybody know what bus service will be stopping at the new bus stops at the side of moor street station
X1 X2 60 will be stopping there due to Primark having work done
Quote from: Jordan on October 19, 2018, 02:36:24 PM
does anybody know what bus service will be stopping at the new bus stops at the side of moor street station
X1 X2 60fue to work where new Primark is
Quote from: Jordan on October 19, 2018, 02:36:24 PM
does anybody know what bus service will be stopping at the new bus stops at the side of moor street station
97 moving to the new stop from 28th according to NX website, not sure if any other services will be moving later
I noticed yesterday that the gold bus stop in oldbury has been replaced with a standard one as the opening is at the other end.
Quote from: Jordan on October 19, 2018, 02:36:24 PM
does anybody know what bus service will be stopping at the new bus stops at the side of moor street station
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/city-centre-bus-stop-changes-for-service-97-from-28th-october
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 22, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
I noticed yesterday that Stand G in West Bromwich Bus Station still had 'Tipton' on the sign for the 44. I can't remember how long ago it was when that route was cut back to Harvills Hawthorn but it must've been at least a couple of years ago?
Here's the proof, taken while I was waiting for the 41A to Wednesbury. Gotta love taking the scenic route sometimes, the tram and the 79 can get a little repetitive. ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/xAdeofY.png)
Poor performance from the centro tfwm wmca whatever they call themselves today
New service pensnett 28 starts tomorrow
Had a quick ride round a bit of the route to jog my memory this is what I found some parts of the route have had new flags put on the stop with 28 on it but on old style blue network flags
Some parts of the route have new wmca flags on them but with 14 still on them
And timetables still up for the 14 service
Very poor
Quote from: karl724223 on October 28, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
Poor performance from the centro tfwm wmca whatever they call themselves today
New service pensnett 28 starts tomorrow
Had a quick ride round a bit of the route to jog my memory this is what I found some parts of the route have had new flags put on the stop with 28 on it but on old style blue network flags
Some parts of the route have new wmca flags on them but with 14 still on them
And timetables still up for the 14 service
Very poor
I noticed that on Hungary Hill, maybe WMCA ran out of the new stops and ran out of paper to print the timetables. It's like when the 2nd September changes happen and for weeks the bus stops around the region were incorrect with the old routes on the stops themselves
Quote from: karl724223 on October 28, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
Poor performance from the centro tfwm wmca whatever they call themselves today
New service pensnett 28 starts tomorrow
Had a quick ride round a bit of the route to jog my memory this is what I found some parts of the route have had new flags put on the stop with 28 on it but on old style blue network flags
Some parts of the route have new wmca flags on them but with 14 still on them
And timetables still up for the 14 service
Very poor
Most the bus stops round hasbury have been not in use ever since the 142 was withdrawn
The bus stops for the WB89 and Diamond 21 in The Uplands and Hales Lane in Smethwick really, really need changing. The ones heading to West Brom in The Uplands and outside the flats in Hales Lane have gone completely white, there are no numbers on them at all.
I noticed this old logo is still on the top right corner of the shelter at the 11A stop at Yardley, Yew Tree today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/148610075@N04/30629288681/in/photostream/
Quote from: 2206 on November 15, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
I noticed this old logo is still on the top right corner of the shelter at the 11A stop at Yardley, Yew Tree today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/148610075@N04/30629288681/in/photostream/
A few years back loads suddenly appeared all around the Birmingham area. No idea if it was an enthusiast or Centro! There's one in the Jewelery Quarter and there's two, possibly three at Saltley Gate. Many others, but these are the ones that instantly come to mind.
Quote from: Gareth on November 15, 2018, 08:44:19 PM
A few years back loads suddenly appeared all around the Birmingham area. No idea if it was an enthusiast or Centro! There's one in the Jewelery Quarter and there's two, possibly three at Saltley Gate. Many others, but these are the ones that instantly come to mind.
This paticular logo has now been removed from the stop.
A new silver and red WM Bus stop was being fitted yesterday evening.
I've emailed a question to NXWM regarding the X7, and knowing the usual speed of response I expect a reply sometime in spring 2019.
Meanwhile, perhaps any staff or drivers on here can explain whether drivers on the X7 Birmingham to Wolverhampton are deliberately ignoring the bus stops on Cranford Street, Smethwick (near the Jet Garage) and on Heath Street near the junction of Winson Street. The timetable leaflet issued in September when the service began clearly states 'all stops in Cranford Street and Heath Street (stops to be sited)'. It took some weeks for temporary stops to appear, but appear they did and are reasonably visible to passing traffic and intending passengers.
But today the1539 from Birmingham sailed past the Cranford Street stop despite a woman ringing the bell in good time (I heard it and saw the 'bus stopping' sign illuminate and thought to myself that it was the first time I had seen anyone alight there). She was conveyed all the way to Crockett's Lane, not a bad walk away, and got very angry (banging the driver's security shield, for which there was no excuse, but I would have been quite miffed myself). She shouted that the driver was 'just smirking' and claimed 'no one had told him to stop there'.
I don't think she might have been the only passenger on that journey either as another woman had come downstairs in time for the same stop, so I really don't think I am alone in imagining these new stopping places.
Quote from: karl724223 on October 28, 2018, 03:54:02 PM
Poor performance from the centro tfwm wmca whatever they call themselves today
New service pensnett 28 starts tomorrow
Had a quick ride round a bit of the route to jog my memory this is what I found some parts of the route have had new flags put on the stop with 28 on it but on old style blue network flags
Some parts of the route have new wmca flags on them but with 14 still on them
And timetables still up for the 14 service
Very poor
Are they not using these WM Bus Flags anymore?
I've notived over the past 2 weeks a number of stops along the Coventry Road have recently been replaced and the 11A stop at Yardley Yew Tree, but though they're getting the new style grey and WM Bus Red bus stops, though they're still getting the old style blue flags?
From a drivers point of view I love these new open bus shelters
It cuts down on anti social behaviour around bus shelters kids don't hang around in them now
Quote from: 2206 on December 10, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
Are they not using these WM Bus Flags anymore?
I've notived over the past 2 weeks a number of stops along the Coventry Road have recently been replaced and the 11A stop at Yardley Yew Tree, but though they're getting the new style grey and WM Bus Red bus stops, though they're still getting the old style blue flags?
Maybe because they are reusing the flag instead of putting a new one up.
Quote from: Jack on December 10, 2018, 11:37:07 PM
Maybe because they are reusing the flag instead of putting a new one up.
I'm sure their plan is to only replace the flags when it's needed, such as when the route numbers change or if it's too faded.
Quote from: StourValley98 on December 11, 2018, 12:17:02 AM
I'm sure their plan is to only replace the flags when it's needed, such as when the route numbers change or if it's too faded.
They don't replace the awfully faded ones, only if there's a route number change.
Some of the flags on the AG 5 are completely white.
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
They don't replace the awfully faded ones, only if there's a route number change.
Some of the flags on the AG 5 are completely white.
They have done in the past, but don't seem to bother anymore, I also reported one with a route missing well over a month ago which is still there today... ::)
Quote from: V89MOA on December 11, 2018, 04:25:46 PM
They have done in the past, but don't seem to bother anymore, I also reported one with a route missing well over a month ago which is still there today... ::)
I reported one showing incorrect route numbers back in September, still not been replaced, the Stop has been showing correct route numbers since April, still not replaced.
Also, it seems as though they don't want to replace faulty lights in shelters either, reported loads and they've not been fixed.
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
I reported one showing incorrect route numbers back in September, still not been replaced, the Stop has been showing correct route numbers since April, still not replaced.
Also, it seems as though they don't want to replace faulty lights in shelters either, reported loads and they've not been fixed.
Absolute joke isn't it... I'd get used to it though, with the losses of the Metro eating away at the budgets!
What is ironic is that the stop I reported had its old flag with the correct information on replaced for seemingly no reason whatsoever, no route changes, no fading etc...
Quote from: V89MOA on December 11, 2018, 05:20:11 PM
Absolute joke isn't it... I'd get used to it though, with the losses of the Metro eating away at the budgets!
What is ironic is that the stop I reported had its old flag with the correct information on replaced for seemingly no reason whatsoever, no route changes, no fading etc...
The old flag probably went missing. Blown away in heavy wind or someone has robbed it...
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
The old flag probably went missing. Blown away in heavy wind or someone has robbed it...
Maybe stolen, but doubt it was wind as it was changed towards the end of September! Can't say I ever noticed the stop missing a flag though.
The Hatfield Road Stop (after 8 months of moaning) has finally had its flag updated and no longer reads '52, 52A'.
Quote from: Jack on December 17, 2018, 07:47:19 PM
The Hatfield Road Stop (after 8 months of moaning) has finally had its flag updated and no longer reads '52, 52A'.
Only 8 months? They like you!
Quote from: V89MOA on December 17, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
Only 8 months? They like you!
Probably because I didn't stop moaning about it. It'd be good if they fixed the bus shelter lighting I've reported for the last 3 months...
Also, the shelter on Kingstanding Circle has had its flag blown away in the wind.
Quote from: Jack on December 17, 2018, 09:13:28 PM
Probably because I didn't stop moaning about it. It'd be good if they fixed the bus shelter lighting I've reported for the last 3 months...
Also, the shelter on Kingstanding Circle has had its flag blown away in the wind.
I reported a stop on Dimmocks Avenue that didn't have a timetable, and the door was flying about in the wind. They've seemingly managed to get the door shut again now but still no timetable - it's no issue for me since I always time it based on the NX app, but I'm sure it can be a pain for those without a smartphone.
While I'm here, there's still a stop on Blowers Green Road, next to Cinder Bank Island in Dudley that has 243 on the flag.
On another note, I noticed on and near St Marks Road in Tipton, there's white signs attached to some lamp posts, that have 402 on them with arrows, and one on Watt Road that has 310. Were these related to these routes back in the day at all? I can't recall the 310 ever going down that way though.
Quote from: StourValley98 on December 18, 2018, 10:08:00 AM
I reported a stop on Dimmocks Avenue that didn't have a timetable, and the door was flying about in the wind. They've seemingly managed to get the door shut again now but still no timetable - it's no issue for me since I always time it based on the NX app, but I'm sure it can be a pain for those without a smartphone.
The Sandown Road stop on Bromford Drive (inbound) had a new shelter fitted in January, a timetable case is fitted and still to this date does not have a timetable.
It also took them 2/3 weeks to update the stops (flags and timetables) on Aldridge Road for when 424 was newly extended to Queslett Asda.
Talk about incompetence...
The shelter on Widney Manor Island has had a new shelter fitted, yet they left the faded flag.
There's a temporary bus stop on Edgewood Road, on the X20 route, that reads 'Wake Green Road' on AG's 5.
One of the outbound bus stops on Constitution Hilll with the new style flag seems to omit the 74. Says 16, 16A, 16W & 46 but no 74.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 18, 2019, 07:28:35 AM
One of the outbound bus stops on Constitution Hilll with the new style flag seems to omit the 74. Says 16, 16A, 16W & 46 but no 74.
I don't suppose you're on about the stop at Old Snow Hill? That the only one that comes to mind.
The 74 stops at the other shelter, there.
Quote from: CL on March 18, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
I don't suppose you're on about the stop at Old Snow Hill? That the only one that comes to mind.
The 74 stops at the other shelter, there.
Nope, I know about that one. Further up than that. By St Paul's metro stop I believe.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 18, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
Nope, I know about that one. Further up than that. By St Paul's metro stop I believe.
74 is on the Metro Stop in both directions, you ca see they are the new black plates on Streetview
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2019, 07:32:00 PM
74 is on the Metro Stop in both directions, you ca see they are the new black plates on Streetview
Well it might not be that one then, but there was definitely a stop that didn't include the 74, I can assure you that.
One discrepancy that I've noticed is that at some stops, such as at Burnt Tree, the 126 is listed as Platinum and the X7 isn't.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 18, 2019, 07:50:22 PM
Well it might not be that one then, but there was definitely a stop that didn't include the 74, I can assure you that.
Yes, all the ones where the 74 has it's own stop
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2019, 07:06:24 AM
Yes, all the ones where the 74 has it's own stop
Okay I've literally just gone past it. It's the one by St Paul's, and there's no other shelter for the 74 there. Just looks like it got left off when the new flag was put on.
I tried to take a picture but ironically a 74 got in the way.
Its nearly been a week since the 1, 1A and 31 started following the revised route in Acocks Green, but they still haven't updated the flags at the stops. This seemed to be confusing lots of people the other day.
Will the stop and online info be changed now that NX have taken over the 36/99/A12 as well.
Quote from: 2206 on April 04, 2019, 06:58:19 PM
Its nearly been a week since the 1, 1A and 31 started following the revised route in Acocks Green, but they still haven't updated the flags at the stops. This seemed to be confusing lots of people the other day.
Will the stop and online info be changed now that NX have taken over the 36/99/A12 as well.
Well they havent changed the ex Igo routes on the Willenhall stops yet!
I see that the bus stops in the City Centre have been updated to say ☓20 Cofton Hackett.
Still saying 61 Rubery and ☓21 Shenley Fields though for some reason.
The new flags for Pride look much better this year, not to mention much better looking than the new TfWM style ones, too!
If they were plain, I wouldn't mind it being the new standard.
Information boards, dated from 19th January this year, at Coventry Pool Meadow are riddled with inaccuracies; mainly muddling up the operators running the services.
I can forgive the lack of update for ex-igo routes, such as the 539 & 580 - except for the fact that they're listed as De Courcey's routes! :P As is the 74, which is run by Arriva.
55 route is changing around fox and Goose - Hodge Hill Road, going via 94 route then 3rd exit hunters moon roundabout, is this service going to have its number on the bus stops down coleshill road as by the looks of the notices it is permanent
It's temporary because of the expected delays at the Iron Lane junction during the roadworks
Quote from: broma1k on May 20, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
It's temporary because of the expected delays at the Iron Lane junction during the roadworks
i think he means will there be notices saying it won't serve Stechford lane and part of Stechford road for a long time
Interesting spot of an old Stevensons bus stop on Dilloways Lane, Bilston. Still there today.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5763083,-2.067416,3a,49y,264.13h,94.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTTFiUVnOsCCgACzRZSuhvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5763083,-2.067416,3a,49y,264.13h,94.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTTFiUVnOsCCgACzRZSuhvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
This road is still served by Diamond on route 23 (Wednesbury to Portobello)
I don't know whether this has been reported before but this morning I noticed on Dudley Street eastbound just east of the Metro bridge, there is a bus stop proudly displaying "West Midlands Travel".
That flag so doesn't need to be there with the replacement shelter just four car-lengths away (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5252741,-2.0074273,3a,42.1y,320.09h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4xIg0YCD50IxBmetlzc_6g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)!
In Burton Green (between Cov and Balsall Common) I've noticed both a TWM flag (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3843339,-1.6040615,3a,22.9y,179.71h,87.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s21HIWnSsE_LONewdPCSnNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and round the corner a PTE one (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3812141,-1.606426,3a,20.9y,157.55h,83.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swlzsExT-eXI2UGnCIs6QmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). They are still there because Burton Green is just outside the WMCA boundary (even though today both including the TWM '192' stop are actually served by Johnsons route 87).
During the X21's diversion I've noticed a 'Not in use' stop on Castle Road that's been used a couple of times but I can't think of any buses that went down that road previously? Does anybody know?
The 44 served it years ago I believe....
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on June 26, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
The 44 served it years ago I believe....
Quite possibly. I know the not in use stops on Weoley Park Road were the 44 but I could not remember what route it took to get there.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 27, 2019, 06:26:31 AM
Quite possibly. I know the not in use stops on Weoley Park Road were the 44 but I could not remember what route it took to get there.
Used to run Weoley Park Road, Castle Road, Beckbury Road, Castle Square, Weoley Castle Road, Castle Road, Middle Park Road, Swarthmore Road
I've always wondered - why is it that TfWM choose to replace the flags with OOU ones instead of just taking the flags down? - is it so they can use the stops on diversionary routes more easily? I know in some cases it's where they are only school route stops.
Quote from: Brick60000 on June 27, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
I've always wondered - why is it that TfWM choose to replace the flags with OOU ones instead of just taking the flags down? - is it so they can use the stops on diversionary routes more easily? I know in some cases it's where they are only school route stops.
I guess its more cost effective to just print off a new piece of vinyl and apply that, rather than dismantling the stop flag. The way the network keeps changing, you never know when that stop will come into use again.
On diversionary routes, it really depends on the driver. I've been on the 11A/C before when its been diverted away from Yardley Road in Acocks Green, some drivers will stop and unload at the stops on Stockfield Road that the 36 uses, but I once had to beg a driver to let me off at a stop marked 'Not In Use' by the Mansfield Road junction as he wasn't going to stop otherwise.
Do they perhaps get advice on whether it may come into use again? As I'm sure some have disappeared over the years.
Couldn't find a more appropriate thread, honestly. :P A Travel West Midlands branded bus stop flag has appeared on eBay (listed at an extortionate price, I might add)... What's interesting to me is where the seller is based. I'll let you take a look for yourself:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIGINAL-BRITISH-BUS-STOP-SIGN-DOUBLE-SIDED-RETIRED-ENGLAND-UK-NICE/123812747254?hash=item1cd3d097f6:g:67cAAOSwEkJdECcs
I'd like to know how it found itself there! ;) Looks like it's in pretty good knack; save for the scuffing along the edges
Not sure if anybody can clarify this one for me, but there appears to be an error with one of the X21 stops. There's 2 stops after Princethorpe Road. A Weoley Castle Road, GREGORY AVENUE stop and a Gregory Avenue, WEOLEY CASTLE ROAD stop. The latter is after the roundabout. For some reason both stops still say X21 on them, but the announcements don't say Gregory Avenue for the first stop before the roundabout anymore. 27 has been removed from it and only serves the stop after the roundabout but not X21 which appears to be still serving both.
Quote from: Brick60000 on June 27, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
I've always wondered - why is it that TfWM choose to replace the flags with OOU ones instead of just taking the flags down? - is it so they can use the stops on diversionary routes more easily? I know in some cases it's where they are only school route stops.
In addition to what several commentors have mentioned above, it's not only TfWM who does this, it's a common practice everywhere.
Anyone know how long it usually takes TfWM to erect new bus stops? Had an email saying my request for a new stop had been approved about a month ago - any idea when it should be built?
Quote from: nathanielrwi on July 21, 2019, 10:18:20 PM
Anyone know how long it usually takes TfWM to erect new bus stops? Had an email saying my request for a new stop had been approved about a month ago - any idea when it should be built?
They can nick the pole from outside my house in Leamore, as we no longer have a service!
There's some 2 roads away from me as well! The interesting thing is that the poles they agreed to replace are still timing points on the timetable for the service even though the stop doesn't exist...
Quote from: nathanielrwi on July 22, 2019, 04:10:25 PM
There's some 2 roads away from me as well! The interesting thing is that the poles they agreed to replace are still timing points on the timetable for the service even though the stop doesn't exist...
They've still got a temporary stop on George Road by Five Ways Station, which has no timetable and the flag just states "temporary bus stop". So there are no details on the stop about what services stop there. It was placed there when the X20/X21/X22 were introduced last year.
They've got an out of use pole on Frederick Road, howcome this can't be moved to George Road? I would have though its unlikely the stop on Frederick Road will come back in to use again now there is the bus gate on George Road?
I guess it's probably cheaper for TfWM to just install new poles than move the existing ones
I know this is about a year and a half late but does anyone know why TFWM removed the red bar on flags in areas like Ward End, Sparkbrook and Small Heath?
Both stops CA and CB in Cotteridge have 49 on the flag for some reason. Surely it's one or the other.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 01, 2019, 01:58:51 PM
Both stops CA and CB in Cotteridge have 49 on the flag for some reason. Surely it's one or the other.
One for Solihull bound services, and the other for Northfield bound services - the latter turns back onto itself
to complicate matters, both 49s also stop at the stop adjacent to Kings Norton station
Quote from: CL on August 01, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
One for Solihull bound services, and the other for Northfield bound services - the latter turns back onto itself
to complicate matters, both 49s also stop at the stop adjacent to Kings Norton station
I've just seen a 49 to Solihull come back on itself so it makes sense now. The flags anyway.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/fury-over-new-style-bus-16706211
I've got mixed feelings over the new stops - they're definitely worse for most passengers and I agree with the point about vandalism but they will no doubt see till be vandalised! Couldn't they have simply made the shelters bigger if they really needed to be open? In Wednesfield there was an old style shelter that was larger than most of the other shelters which has been replaced with the new style shelters that constantly leave people exposed to the elements!
Around 3 or 4 old TWM and WMT bus stops along Green Lanes in Bilston!
They've changed the timetables at the 28 stop towards Heartlands at Spitfire Island now. They're now in WM Bus Red rather than the previous blue ones. First one I've seen.
Quote from: 2206 on August 19, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
They've changed the timetables at the 28 stop towards Heartlands at Spitfire Island now. They're now in WM Bus Red rather than the previous blue ones. First one I've seen.
There's a lot of them in red now between Sutton and Mere Green on Lichfield Road.
Acocks Green Village stops outside Morrisons now have new style flags. The WM Bus logo is much bigger than the previous design and it looks a lot better too. Not sure it beats the network west midlands style though...
The Kings Road bus stop on the Coventry Road towards Birmingham is getting a new shelter built. Not sure what was wrong with the old one but I kind of like it.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 26, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
The Kings Road bus stop on the Coventry Road towards Birmingham is getting a new shelter built. Not sure what was wrong with the old one but I kind of like it.
Could be something to do with the Sprint route, that is supposed to be operating on the Coventry Road corridor from 2021.
QuoteWe are planning to install a shelter prototype in spring 2019 to assess its suitability and robustness. We will be engaging with representative groups to ensure it is appropriate for all users.
edit - There is information about it in their Summer news letter.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/41731/a45-birmingham-city-centre-to-birmingham-airport-and-solihull-route.pdf
I knew it had something to do with that, I haven't seen a shelter like that anywhere else in Birmingham.
Edit: thanks for the pdf, I was just going to ask where did that quote come from.
So the bus stops at Calthorpe Road/Five Ways have been swapped around - A good decision because the #1 usually blocks the view of the 23/24. However, the new 10/23/24 shelter (old 1/10) still has the old timetables and realtime, and the 1 shelter (old 23) still has the old timetable. The old 24 shelter still has the old flag, so there are now two of those but no 24 timetable. Drivers have been stopping at either their old or new shelter, so disabled and old people have been having to move between 2 or 3 shelters all day... It's been ridiculous and no one at TfWM or NXWM seemed to care.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 27, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
I knew it had something to do with that, I haven't seen a shelter like that anywhere else in Birmingham.
Edit: thanks for the pdf, I was just going to ask where did that quote come from.
Noticed this new stop at Kings Road (towards Birmingham City Centre) has a blue timetable on it for a "T1" service and another timetable for the X51.
Presumably displaying how the new sprint timetable will be displayed on the stops?
TFWM have also put "60" on the new flag at the 72/73 stop on Sheaf Lane at the Wheatsheaf. Although the 60 turns right and doesn't stop there. The new timetable also has a timetable for the 60. Which additionally only shows a few late night and early morning Saturday journeys.
Could mean when the 60 serves those stops.
For some reason the outbound stop by Weoley Hill on the X21 route has been replaced with a new style red flag that just says 39A. The 39A doesn't even go down Weoley Park Road and does this mean the X21 doesn't stop there anymore?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 31, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
For some reason the outbound stop by Weoley Hill on the X21 route has been replaced with a new style red flag that just says 39A. The 39A doesn't even go down Weoley Park Road and does this mean the X21 doesn't stop there anymore?
Could be a mistake.
Someone left a comment on my website that the Moseley School stop on Wake Green Road now shows 'Not In Use', though as far as I am aware there is no planned route or stop changes for the 5. The lady makes a fair point that if those two stops are no longer going to be called at, its a very long walk to the nearest stops (College Road and Springfield Road) up/down a hill.
Quote from: Stu on August 31, 2019, 02:06:47 PM
Could be a mistake.
Someone left a comment on my website that the Moseley School stop on Wake Green Road now shows 'Not In Use', though as far as I am aware there is no planned route or stop changes for the 5. The lady makes a fair point that if those two stops are no longer going to be called at, its a very long walk to the nearest stops (College Road and Springfield Road) up/down a hill.
Possibly, but as it's registration ends today and it hasn't been renewed who knows.
Also it's the only one that's been changed which I don't get. Do they just go around replacing random flags or what...
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 31, 2019, 02:45:13 PM
Possibly, but as it's registration ends today and it hasn't been renewed who knows.
Also it's the only one that's been changed which I don't get. Do they just go around replacing random flags or what...
Very unlikely that the X21 would get withdrawn and without replacement, if that's what your suggesting.
X20/X21/X22 are very well used routes.
It will probably just revert to its pre Summer timetable.
There is a timetable on traveline wm valid from 01/09/19, that shows that the X21 will be stopping by Woeley Hill. The only change being on Moor Street Queensway, where the inbound X20/X21/X22/61/63 and 17 will be swapping stands.
Quote from: 2206 on August 31, 2019, 04:08:14 PM
Very unlikely that the X21 would get withdrawn and without replacement, if that's what your suggesting.
X20/X21/X22 are very well used routes.
It will probably just revert to its pre Summer timetable.
There is a timetable on traveline wm valid from 01/09/19, that shows that the X21 will be stopping by Woeley Hill. The only change being on Moor Street Queensway, where the inbound X20/X21/X22/61/63 and 17 will be swapping stands.
No, I wasn't. I was just saying that it doesn't seem to have been registered from 1st September along with others.
It probably will go back to the previous timetable but it would be nice to actually know that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 31, 2019, 06:56:35 PM
No, I wasn't. I was just saying that it doesn't seem to have been registered from 1st September along with others.
It probably will go back to the previous timetable but it would be nice to actually know that.
EDIT: On closer inspection it says Middle park road on the flsg lol so total mess up there.
For some reason a number of bus stops in Harborne and Edgbaston from city have been taken out of use with multiple services now grouped into fewer stops instead. These include:
- Five Ways Calthorpe Road - 3 stops reduced to 2, the 10,23 and 24 all using one, and the 1 using the other. Middle stop no longer in use.
- Harborne Junction - all five services both now use just one stop, old 23 stop no longer in use. Seems strange, the pavement is narrow here and now everyone congregates in one place
- Harborne Albert Road - 19 and 23 both now use the 19 stop, old 23 stop no longer is use
No idea what the supposed benefits of these changes are but presumably there's some rationale.
New bus stops outbound on Holyhead Road, Coventry with new X20. Old stops to be replaced inbound soon to be gone 82.
Quote from: JoNi on September 06, 2019, 12:10:45 PM
New bus stops outbound on Holyhead Road, Coventry with new X20. Old stops to be replaced inbound soon to be gone 82.
Seen them (new red ones) along the A45 two Saturdays ago.
Also noticed one today at the start of Mile Lane, Willenhall bound. ;D
The start of a huge influx in Coventry I suppose.
Am I the only one who hates the new flags design? The West Midlands bus logo is too big and the colour scheme of red and white doesn't really go with the stops. It's probably something that will grow on me later but right now I'm not feeling it.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 09, 2019, 12:38:18 PM
Am I the only one who hates the new flags design? The West Midlands bus logo is too big and the colour scheme of red and white doesn't really go with the stops. It's probably something that will grow on me later but right now I'm not feeling it.
I always look at these from a brand recognition perspective - can your target audience or customer recognise you from your brand?
The vertically linked W and M is a very weak brand, coupled with some of the colour variants can dilute the overall effect. Look back to the days of WMPTE and British Rail and it was instantly recognisable and passengers knew what each logo was for.
Bet the red fades to pink with the weather and light
Speaking of fades, the BC36 Berkeley Road East, Coventry Road stop towards Heartlands Hospital has faded out so much that you can't even see what is on the flag. What's even crazy is that all the other stops on the road are fairly new and this is just greyed out.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 31, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
For some reason the outbound stop by Weoley Hill on the X21 route has been replaced with a new style red flag that just says 39A. The 39A doesn't even go down Weoley Park Road and does this mean the X21 doesn't stop there anymore?
This has now been replaced with a 'Temporary bus stop' flag.
The first three bus stops on Green Lane (Little Green Lane,Eversley Road and Prince Albert Street) has timetables valid from 2 June 2017 which was the latest East Birmingham changes. Probably should talk to Network West Midlands or West Midlands Network as its now known.
The Lea Village Island terminus still has 99 on the flag despite it being withdrawn 2 weeks ago.
Would makes sense, if they replaced the pole at University North Gate on Pritchatts Road, towards Birmingham City Centre with a shelter. It has become a very busy stop and seems to be used heavily. Must have been about 40 people waiting at that stop, when I went past earlier.
Quote from: 2206 on October 09, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Would makes sense, if they replaced the pole at University North Gate on Pritchatts Road, towards Birmingham City Centre with a shelter. It has become a very busy stop and seems to be used heavily. Must have been about 40 people waiting at that stop, when I went past earlier.
Yh that is a busy stop but I can't see it being easily implemented. That bus stop is quite far from the road and I wouldn't really say there is space for a shelter.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 09, 2019, 12:38:18 PM
Am I the only one who hates the new flags design? The West Midlands bus logo is too big and the colour scheme of red and white doesn't really go with the stops. It's probably something that will grow on me later but right now I'm not feeling it.
Changing the flags must cost a fortune. If as a guess £100 a go your talking big bucks across the West Mids.
Quote from: Stu on August 31, 2019, 02:06:47 PM
Could be a mistake.
Someone left a comment on my website that the Moseley School stop on Wake Green Road now shows 'Not In Use', though as far as I am aware there is no planned route or stop changes for the 5. The lady makes a fair point that if those two stops are no longer going to be called at, its a very long walk to the nearest stops (College Road and Springfield Road) up/down a hill.
Just to follow up on this, though I did not get any answer to the query that I sent to Network West Midlands and NX West Midlands regarding this.
The flags had been changed and did show 'Not In Use', also on Google Maps the 5 was not shown as using those stops.
Been on the 5 a couple of times this week, and have noticed that both stops have been changed again and the 5 is showing on the flags, also now shows on Google Maps when you click on the stop.
Guess it was a 'data error' then! :)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2019, 03:38:28 PM
Yh that is a busy stop but I can't see it being easily implemented. That bus stop is quite far from the road and I wouldn't really say there is space for a shelter.
If that's the case, could the stop not be repositioned somewhere else near it where there would be room for a shelter.
As a busy stop like that should have a shelter I think.
Are the bus stops with the new white and green flags going to be replaced with the new red and white ones? I've recently thought of this because the new red and white flags are the new official flags for the TFWM bus sector.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 06, 2019, 09:18:57 AM
Are the bus stops with the new white and green flags going to be replaced with the new red and white ones? I've recently thought of this because the new red and white flags are the new official flags for the TFWM bus sector.
What white and green flags are these?
It looks like all new flags printed will be in the new TfWM red/white design. At the moment this will be on an 'as needed' basis, ie where route numbers change, or where the flag is badly faded or damaged, so I wouldn't expect a mass rollout of these just yet, but with the notices on the timetables informing of the 'transition' to "West Midlands Network", it might just happen soorner than you think.
Quote from: Stu on November 06, 2019, 06:41:09 PM
At the moment this will be on an 'as needed' basis, ie where route numbers change, or where the flag is badly faded or damaged
I do remember seeing that mentioned before, but I've noticed some routes have had all their flags replaced, despite them all being in good condition. For example, I've noticed pretty much all of them on my local route (WA11/11A) have been replaced.
Quote from: Stu on November 06, 2019, 06:41:09 PM
What white and green flags are these?
It looks like all new flags printed will be in the new TfWM red/white design. At the moment this will be on an 'as needed' basis, ie where route numbers change, or where the flag is badly faded or damaged, so I wouldn't expect a mass rollout of these just yet, but with the notices on the timetables informing of the 'transition' to "West Midlands Network", it might just happen soorner than you think.
The flags that were changed after the last consultation.
Like this one: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Digbeth+Coach+Station+(Stop+DS5),+Birmingham+B5+6DH/@52.4754829,-1.8883155,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4870bc8715968499:0xa48b83ade4e40b4d
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 06, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
The flags that were changed after the last consultation.
Like this one: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Digbeth+Coach+Station+(Stop+DS5),+Birmingham+B5+6DH/@52.4754829,-1.8883155,18z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4870bc8715968499:0xa48b83ade4e40b4d
Those aren't green. That red/grey design was some kind of 'trial' design, it had a bit of a rollout for a while when some route numbers changed, but it got stopped, hence why some flags since then have been replaced with the 'old' Network West Midlands design.
Quote from: StourValley98 on November 06, 2019, 06:51:42 PM
I do remember seeing that mentioned before, but I've noticed some routes have had all their flags replaced, despite them all being in good condition. For example, I've noticed pretty much all of them on my local route (WA11/11A) have been replaced.
Well, I can't speak for other areas, but I've only seen this new 'West Midlands Network' red/white design applied to stops where route numbers changed after September changes.
There is a stop on Yardley Wood Road in Moseley - Woodstock Road towards Yardley Wood - the pole was destroyed (along with the resident's wall and gate!) in a road accident several months ago. The pole was replaced and it has had a 'temporary bus stop' vinyl applied ever since; I reported this using the NWM Fixit website form a few weeks ago, and it has now finally had a proper flag applied, in this new design. Which is from where I'm basing my assumption that flags will only be replaced where necessary at present.
Did the one outside Yardley Wood Garage ever get replaced?
At the time of the open day, I seem to remember it being faded.
They've done all the ones on the 997 up until Pheasey from Birmingham and have done all bus stops from Birmingham to the Scott Arms with the new flags.
Quote from: Stu on November 06, 2019, 07:20:25 PM
Those aren't green. That red/grey design was some kind of 'trial' design, it had a bit of a rollout for a while when some route numbers changed, but it got stopped, hence why some flags since then have been replaced with the 'old' Network West Midlands design.
I think these were easier to read than the new ones - although I still think the old network west midlands ones are better and easier to read!!
Quote from: nathanielrwi on November 08, 2019, 07:49:28 PM
I think these were easier to read than the new ones - although I still think the old network west midlands ones are better and easier to read!!
Oh absolutely, the blue and white flags are iconic. They actually don't fade out quickly which could be an issue with the new flags because it's a brighter colour.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 08, 2019, 11:41:27 PM
Oh absolutely, the blue and white flags are iconic. They actually don't fade out quickly which could be an issue with the new flags because it's a brighter colour.
What's iconic about the blue/white flags? never heard that one before, and the fade awfully.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2019, 08:43:06 AM
What's iconic about the blue/white flags? never heard that one before, and the fade awfully.
They're iconic because they've been around so long and they just go with the all the shelter colours. The new red and white ones just look odd, in my opinion.
The NWM flags look smart, easier to read and just look the part. The new flags aren't bad but the previous style was terrible.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 09, 2019, 11:35:30 AM
They're iconic because they've been around so long and they just go with the all the shelter colours. The new red and white ones just look odd, in my opinion.
The stops in Wednesfield are odd as they have the new style shelter with the old blue timetables holders with new red timetables and an old blue flag!
Quote from: nathanielrwi on November 09, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
The stops in Wednesfield are odd as they have the new style shelter with the old blue timetables holders with new red timetables and an old blue flag!
That's nothing, here in Billesley and Moseley we have green/yellow Centro shelters, with blue NWM flags, and red TfWM timetables. ;)
Quote from: nathanielrwi on November 09, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
The stops in Wednesfield are odd as they have the new style shelter with the old blue timetables holders with new red timetables and an old blue flag!
The flags get replaced when services change or when the flag is weathered to a point it's faded. Most of the Wednesfield flags have been changed within the last few years They have started repainting the stops in the Wednesfield area. I doubt the flags will be changed for now as they are far from faded and there are no planned service changes around there.
Noticed today that the 10S stop on Stonehouse Hill towards Quinton states "Towards Birmingham".
Also noticed that the 11C stop near Tesco/Brockhurst Road at the Fox and Goose, just has an empty timetable case, with no timetable in it. Same for the stop outside Hillcrest School on Stonehouse Lane on the X22/23 routes.
Quote from: 2206 on December 11, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Noticed today that the 10S stop on Stonehouse Hill towards Quinton states "Towards Birmingham".
Also noticed that the 11C stop near Tesco/Brockhurst Road at Fox and Goose, just has an empty timetable case, with no timetable in it. Same for the stop outside Hillcrest School on Stonehouse Lane on the X22/23 routes.
Don't forget you need to report these to Network West Midlands:
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/get-in-touch/report-a-problem/
As for where a stop incorrectly shows 'Towards xxx' I believe that is where the stop database hasn't been updated correctly when routes calling at that stop have changed.
For example, there are stops on Showell Green Lane in Sparkhill that still show 'Towards Yardley Wood' though the 5 that currently uses them doesn't go to Yardley Wood, while the 2 does, which used to use that route. Also I believe the Stoney Lane stop on Stratford Road that the X50 uses shows 'Towards Gospel Oak', a throwback to when the 31 used it.
There's still at least 3 unused shelters in Green Lane Leamore since the X51 was rerouted!
A new bus stop ER5 for Coventry station comes in January.
It is right outside the main entrance where they used to stop instead of a walk through busy traffic.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on December 19, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
A new bus stop ER5 for Coventry station comes in January.
It is right outside the main entrance where they used to stop instead of a walk through busy traffic.
Its been reported in the local press the Station bus interchange is closing while works begin on new car park. The interchange will then be used for car drop offs until new bus interchange is opened.
Good move for bus users. There is also a new long area of yellow painted hatching on the approach road. It will help the buses if car drivers follow the rules and dont stop in it.
The flag on the 14 stop at Alum Rock Road, Sladefield Road towards Chelmsley has faded badly. And you can now see the numbers "525" and "613" showing up on the flag underneath it, presumably it was reused from another area.
Quote from: 2206 on January 11, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
The flag on the 14 stop at Alum Rock Road, Sladefield Road towards Chelmsley has faded badly. And you can now see the numbers "525" and "613" showing up on the flag underneath it, presumably it was reused from another area.
Please follow this link to report it to TfWM:
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/get-in-touch/report-a-problem/
This evening I got off the 76 at the Chinn Brook Road stop on Trittiford Road, and noticed that the flag has been replaced with the new West Midlands Buses design. However it now only shows the 27, 69 and 76 with the 3 missing.
I'm not sure why this flag has been replaced because there was nothing wrong with the one in place (not faded or anything), and I'm not aware of any forthcoming route change for the 3. In fact the current shelter was only installed sometime last year as the previous one got totalled in some kind of collision.
Hopefully this is just an error, and now I have reported it to TfWM it will be corrected, but what a waste of money.
It was still pissing down with rain when I got off the bus, so didn't hang around long enough to see if the flag on the shelter across the road had been changed also!
Quote from: Stu on January 13, 2020, 07:07:15 PM
This evening I got off the 76 at the Chinn Brook Road stop on Trittiford Road, and noticed that the flag has been replaced with the new West Midlands Buses design. However it now only shows the 27, 69 and 76 with the 3 missing.
I'm not sure why this flag has been replaced because there was nothing wrong with the one in place (not faded or anything), and I'm not aware of any forthcoming route change for the 3. In fact the current shelter was only installed sometime last year as the previous one got totalled in some kind of collision.
Hopefully this is just an error, and now I have reported it to TfWM it will be corrected, but what a waste of money.
It was still pissing down with rain when I got off the bus, so didn't hang around long enough to see if the flag on the shelter across the road had been changed also!
@Stu the flag would only be replaced if there was a service change or a member of the public reported a problem with it normally the cost of the change of flag is billed to the operator leaving WMCA revenue neutral. I am not aware of change to the 3 so I will follow it up and yes its pissing down I got soaked too getting off the 4H
The Fosbrooke Road bus stop on the Hob Moor Road towards Brum has no bus flag. The one towards Yardley still says Waverley School despite it being moved about 3-4 years ago.
DS10's Swift Card collector never seems to work.
Might report these issues to TFWM to be honest.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 13, 2020, 09:44:04 PM
The Fosbrooke Road bus stop on the Hob Moor Road towards Brum has no bus flag. The one towards Yardley still says Waverley School despite it being moved about 3-4 years ago.
DS10's Swift Card collector never seems to work.
Might report these issues to TFWM to be honest.
If you don't report these issues, then they'll never get corrected.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 13, 2020, 09:44:04 PM
The Fosbrooke Road bus stop on the Hob Moor Road towards Brum has no bus flag. The one towards Yardley still says Waverley School despite it being moved about 3-4 years ago.
DS10's Swift Card collector never seems to work.
Might report these issues to TFWM to be honest.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/get-in-touch/report-a-problem/
Noticed over the last couple of days, that a number of bus stops along the Stratford Road through Sparkbrook and Sparkhill have had their flags replaced with the new red 'West Midlands Bus' design.
No route numbers have changed, I just wonder if this is something being done ahead of the introduction of the first electric buses in the West Midlands?
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2020, 06:46:55 PM
Noticed over the last couple of days, that a number of bus stops along the Stratford Road through Sparkbrook and Sparkhill have had their flags replaced with the new red 'West Midlands Bus' design.
No route numbers have changed, I just wonder if this is something being done ahead of the introduction of the first electric buses in the West Midlands?
I think a lot of areas have been done
@Stu, presumable Stourbridge was done because of the recent service changes, although routes which have seen no changes have seen the new flags as well. Seems a total waste of money as flags were only changed a few months before.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2020, 06:46:55 PM
Noticed over the last couple of days, that a number of bus stops along the Stratford Road through Sparkbrook and Sparkhill have had their flags replaced with the new red 'West Midlands Bus' design.
No route numbers have changed, I just wonder if this is something being done ahead of the introduction of the first electric buses in the West Midlands?
That makes sense but why did some Coventry Road stops get the new flag and new shelters. The old ones were just fine they weren't faded or anything
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 04, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
I think a lot of areas have been done @Stu, presumable Stourbridge was done because of the recent service changes, although routes which have seen no changes have seen the new flags as well. Seems a total waste of money as flags were only changed a few months before.
Here in south Birmingham, the only flags that have been replaced recently have been ones where routes have changed at service reviews, for example in Acocks Green and Shirley when the new 32 was introduced, or in Moseley where the 34 was rerouted to serve part of Alcester Road.
The only 'sporadic' one I've seen is one I mentioned earlier, where the Chinnbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road in Billesley was replaced and they left off the 3. ::)
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 04, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
That makes sense but why did some Coventry Road stops get the new flag and new shelters. The old ones were just fine they weren't faded or anything
If you're talking about the Kings Road stop in Hay Mills, I believe that is some kind of 'prototype' shelter that will be introduced for Sprint services. I don't go that way along the Coventry Road since I moved from South Yardley, so can't comment on any other flag or shelter changes.
They have been repainting a number of the bus shelters on Auckland Drive, Smith's Wood in the same grey/silver that the Platinum buses use. These stops are only served by the 94/94A which isn't a Platinum service. Is this the colour that they're making bus shelters now?
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2020, 08:18:15 PM
They have been repainting a number of the bus shelters on Auckland Drive, Smith's Wood in the same grey/silver that the Platinum buses use. These stops are only served by the 94/94A which isn't a Platinum service. Is this the colour that they're making bus shelters now?
I've seen a number of the old 'blue/orange' shelters repainted in 'grey'red', is that what you meant?
We've still got green/yellow bus shelters in Billesley! ;D
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
I've seen a number of the old 'blue/orange' shelters repainted in 'grey'red', is that what you meant?
We've still got green/yellow bus shelters in Billesley! ;D
Yes, the grey/red ones with a random white one on Green Lane.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2020, 08:18:15 PM
The same grey/silver that the Platinum buses use.
The harborne & university routes don't have these flags.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2020, 08:12:45 PM
Here in south Birmingham, the only flags that have been replaced recently have been ones where routes have changed at service reviews, for example in Acocks Green and Shirley when the new 32 was introduced, or in Moseley where the 34 was rerouted to serve part of Alcester Road.
The only 'sporadic' one I've seen is one I mentioned earlier, where the Chinnbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road in Billesley was replaced and they left off the 3. ::)
If you're talking about the Kings Road stop in Hay Mills, I believe that is some kind of 'prototype' shelter that will be introduced for Sprint services. I don't go that way along the Coventry Road since I moved from South Yardley, so can't comment on any other flag or shelter changes.
I know about that one. The ones that I'm talking about are the Bordesley Station and the Greenway Street (towards Small Heath) got new flags and shelters and the Greenway Street stop towards Birmingham got a new flag.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 04, 2020, 08:36:32 PM
I know about that one. The ones that I'm talking about are the Bordesley Station and the Greenway Street (towards Small Heath) got new flags and shelters and the Greenway Street stop towards Birmingham got a new flag.
Could have this been a consequence of the 97 change with the official diversion when there's football on at St. Andrews?
They've repainted all the green/yellow shelters on the Aldridge Road in Streetly, making them look quite new, especially being the 90s ones. Plenty on the X12 to have been repainted too.
The new flags have cropped up on the 40, ready for when the route goes WMB I presume.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2020, 08:21:54 PM
I've seen a number of the old 'blue/orange' shelters repainted in 'grey'red', is that what you meant?
We've still got green/yellow bus shelters in Billesley! ;D
There are still 2 yellow/green shelters around Ward End. One served by the 28/28A, the stop after the Fox and Goose on the Alum Rock Road and one at Alum Rock Road, Sladefield Road served by the 14.
They repainted the old yellow and green shelter on the Washwood Heath Road by Ward End Park into the new colours a few weeks back.
And just remembered there is another yellow/green one at Ash Road, Adderley Road in Alum Rock served by the 8C and 53.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2020, 08:48:50 PM
Could have this been a consequence of the 97 change with the official diversion when there's football on at St. Andrews?
No the 97 goes through Saltley during the BCFC matchdays.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 09:05:34 AM
There are still 2 yellow/green shelters around Ward End. One served by the 28/28A, the stop after the Fox and Goose on the Alum Rock Road and one at Alum Rock Road, Sladefield Road served by the 14.
There's still 2 yellow/green shelters on the Dyas Road that the 28 serve.
If my mind serves me correctly there's still one on Sedgley Road West by the Pie Factory on the 229 towards Dudley.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2020, 05:38:48 PM
There's still 2 yellow/green shelters on the Dyas Road that the 28 serve.
If my mind serves me correctly there's still one on Sedgley Road West by the Pie Factory on the 229 towards Dudley.
There is also one on pensnett high street by tansley green road for the 5, 5A and X10 towards Dudley
There are some yellow and green shelters on Woodlands Park Road in Bournville. Mainly for the 27.
Quote from: SO6597 on February 05, 2020, 09:44:42 PM
There are some yellow and green shelters on Woodlands Park Road in Bournville. Mainly for the 27.
Talking of South Brum ones, there's too that are (could of been repainted) on the AG 5.
One on Highlands Road and the one on Showell Green Lane inbound.
Also pretty much the majority of bus stops on Gospel Oak are the old green and yellow shelters bar a couple.
I do like the way that you can tell where the county boundary is by looking at the bus stops.
On the current 87 route (Solihull - Coventry), as you travel down Hodgetts Lane towards Cromwell Lane (just before Burton Green), you are treated to the following variety of bus stop flags:
Network West Midlands - 87/89 (and an 82-flagged bus stop opposite)
Travel West Midlands bus stop flag with 192 haphazardly stickered to it as you enter Burton Green (and consequently Warwickshire)
WMPTE bus stop flag with 24/34/44 on it [never seen those services before]
Centro bus shelter (which used to have a Network West Midlands flag on it but was removed)
Another Travel West Midlands bus stop flag with 192 on it
Network West Midlands flag once you enter Coventry.
If you drive through Coleshill as well, some of the bus stops are still advertising the 717/757/767/777 that stopped running years ago.
I'm glad this is one thing that is maintained in the West Midlands County.
Fun fact, the four stops for Palmerston Road on Stratford Road (by ALDI) now have three designs.
The inbound and outbound stops for the 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5 and 6 are in the 'new' West Midlands Bus design.
The inbound stop for the X50 is in the 'experimental' TfWM design.
While the NOT IN USE stop (previously used by the 2 and 3) is in the Network West Midlands design.
;D
Fun fact No2:
The stops around the Birmingham Coach Station have three designs
DS10 has the new WMBus flag
DS5 has the experimental WMBus flag (glad they didn't go with that one, that design was ugly. Not that the new one is better but I feel that it will grow on me eventually).
DS6 has the old Platinum black flag. (Still can't believe that it's still there considering that all the other flags on the X1/X2 have been reverted back to the classic blue and white flag).
Quote from: ellspurs on February 06, 2020, 07:12:40 PM
I do like the way that you can tell where the county boundary is by looking at the bus stops.
On the current 87 route (Solihull - Coventry), as you travel down Hodgetts Lane towards Cromwell Lane (just before Burton Green), you are treated to the following variety of bus stop flags:
Network West Midlands - 87/89 (and an 82-flagged bus stop opposite)
Travel West Midlands bus stop flag with 192 haphazardly stickered to it as you enter Burton Green (and consequently Warwickshire)
WMPTE bus stop flag with 24/34/44 on it [never seen those services before]
Centro bus shelter (which used to have a Network West Midlands flag on it but was removed)
Another Travel West Midlands bus stop flag with 192 on it
Network West Midlands flag once you enter Coventry.
If you drive through Coleshill as well, some of the bus stops are still advertising the 717/757/767/777 that stopped running years ago.
I'm glad this is one thing that is maintained in the West Midlands County.
24/34/44 goes back to, I was going to say, 1985, but probably nearer 1983! 24/34 used to be City, Pool Meadow - Tile Hill South via a slight variation between Tile Hill Lane and Torrington Avenue. The 44 went further to Balsall Common I think (services 42-46 covered the Coventry - University of Warwick/Cannon Park - Balsall Common/Burton Green/Berkswell axis). The 192-194 group swept most of these away in the early 80's.
Quote from: Stu on February 06, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
Fun fact, the four stops for Palmerston Road on Stratford Road (by ALDI) now have three designs.
The inbound and outbound stops for the 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5 and 6 are in the 'new' West Midlands Bus design.
The inbound stop for the X50 is in the 'experimental' TfWM design.
While the NOT IN USE stop (previously used by the 2 and 3) is in the Network West Midlands design.
;D
Spoilsports at TfWM have now replaced the flag at the X50 stop, so the above is no longer relevant. :D
Quote from: 2206 on October 09, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Would makes sense, if they replaced the pole at University North Gate on Pritchatts Road, towards Birmingham City Centre with a shelter. It has become a very busy stop and seems to be used heavily. Must have been about 40 people waiting at that stop, when I went past earlier.
Received a response from TFWM about this claiming, that this isn't possible because of the proximity of a car parking layby. Strange they just don't get rid of the layby then as i'm sure a small handful of people can find somewhere else to park a few cars. Far more people use the bus stop. Or relocate the stop to somewhere more suitable.
Response is bellow:
I'm sorry to hear that you find the bus stop pole unsatisfactory given the high number of passengers that travel to and from the stop. I can advise that we have previously received similar requests to install a bus shelter at Pritchatts Road and having investigated the site, have unfortunately had to decline those requests, due to the locality of the car park entrance and the proximity of a lay-by on the carriageway making the environment unsuitable.
We would however, be willing to reassess the need for a shelter, should local ward councillors register their support.
Securing the support of councillors helps to confirm that your request represents the needs of the local community. Therefore, you will need to contact your councillors with your request.
As this stop is located in the ward of Bournbrook and Selly Park, your local councillors are:
Cllr Brigid Jones
Telephone: 0121 464 4000
Email: brigid.jones@birmingham.gov.uk
Quote from: 2206 on February 19, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
Received a response from TFWM about this claiming, that this isn't possible because of the proximity of a car parking layby. Strange they just don't get rid of the layby then as i'm sure a small handful of people can find somewhere else to park a few cars. Far more people use the bus stop. Or relocate the stop to somewhere more suitable.
Response is bellow:
I'm sorry to hear that you find the bus stop pole unsatisfactory given the high number of passengers that travel to and from the stop. I can advise that we have previously received similar requests to install a bus shelter at Pritchatts Road and having investigated the site, have unfortunately had to decline those requests, due to the locality of the car park entrance and the proximity of a lay-by on the carriageway making the environment unsuitable.
We would however, be willing to reassess the need for a shelter, should local ward councillors register their support.
Securing the support of councillors helps to confirm that your request represents the needs of the local community. Therefore, you will need to contact your councillors with your request.
As this stop is located in the ward of Bournbrook and Selly Park, your local councillors are:
Cllr Brigid Jones
Telephone: 0121 464 4000
Email: brigid.jones@birmingham.gov.uk
That's a quite odd reply - on one hand they're saying the 'environment is unsuitable', but on the other are intimating that if, despite having had several requests, and clearly a large usage, they're willing to look at it again if a councillor supports it - perhaps they'll be willing to do something to change the site conditions in that case....
@2206 it sounds like you need to get in the Councillor's diary 😄😏
Alum Rock Road has some sparkly new TfWM red and grey flags. All with 14 and 53 on them.
Unless the 53 has been rerouted again this week and I haven't seen one yet, it has t used Alum Rock Road for quite a while!
Quote from: Gareth on February 19, 2020, 11:15:45 PM
Alum Rock Road has some sparkly new TfWM red and grey flags. All with 14 and 53 on them.
Unless the 53 has been rerouted again this week and I haven't seen one yet, it has t used Alum Rock Road for quite a while!
It will be running through Alum Rock from Monday.
Alum Rock Road, Cotterills Road, Belchers Lane. So a different route to the last time it used the Alum Rock Road.
The present route through Bordesley Green will no longer be served.
Quote from: 2206 on January 11, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
The flag on the 14 stop at Alum Rock Road, Sladefield Road towards Chelmsley has faded badly. And you can now see the numbers "525" and "613" showing up on the flag underneath it, presumably it was reused from another area.
Still not been replaced and still has the faded flag today.
And yes I did report it to TFWM
@Stu, but it seems like the stop on Prtichatts Road at University North Gate they can't be bothered to fix it. As I reported it around the time of posting on January 11th and did so again several weeks ago, when I noticed it had still not been corrected.
Also nearby at the 14/28 stop at Alum Rock Road, Woodwells Road in Ward End towards Heartlands/City Centre there is a huge piece of glass lying on the ground, that has fallen out of the shelter.
Coleshill Road, Fox and Goose near Tesco 55/94 stop in Ward End towards Chelmsley and Nechells Parkway, Bloomsbury Street towards the City Centre in Nechells, last time I checked both of these stops had still had no flag, and have not gained any since I reported it to TFWM.
Quote from: 2206 on February 20, 2020, 04:08:41 PM
Still not been replaced and still has the faded flag today.
And yes I did report it to TFWM @Stu, but it seems like the stop on Prtichatts Road they can't be bothered to fix it. As I reported it around the time of posting on January 11th and did so again several weeks ago, when I noticed it had still not been corrected.
Also nearby at the 14/28 stop at Alum Rock Road, Woodwells Road in Ward End towards Heartlands/City Centre there is a huge piece of glass lying on the ground, that has fallen out of the shelter.
Coleshill Road, Fox and Goose near Tesco 55/94 stop in Ward End towards Chelmsley and Nechells Parkway, Bloomsbury Street towards the City Centre in Nechells, last time I checked both of these stops had still had no flag, and have not gained any since I reported it to TFWM.
I have the same issue as you. I reported that the Millhouse Road (the blue shelter) and the Fosbrooke Road stop towards Birmingham had no flags. Only the Millhouse Road one got the new flag but the Fosbrooke Road one still hasn't got one.
Talking of no flags, there's a shelter at an inbound stop on the 89 missing a flag, can't exactly remember the stop but I'm pretty sure it was around Hales Lane/The Uplands side of Smethwick. Also there's a number of faded flags around there too.
Quote from: Jack on February 20, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
Talking of no flags, there's a shelter at an inbound stop on the 89 missing a flag, can't exactly remember the stop but I'm pretty sure it was around Hales Lane/The Uplands side of Smethwick. Also there's a number of faded flags around there too.
theres a stop on Bradford road Castle Bromwich school lane stop inbound the pole has snapped off due to wind presuming a new stop for that as a large chin o come off and by hurst Lane Morrison's the stop flag has fallen off licked it out of the road and put it in the stop
Had a roam of the new Dudley routes yesterday, noticed on the new 81 route on Parkes Hall Road there's and old bus stop flag with "West Midlands Travel" and "Asda" on it, assuming there was once a bus from around there to an Asda
Quote from: Kevin on February 21, 2020, 11:07:01 AM
Had a roam of the new Dudley routes yesterday, noticed on the new 81 route on Parkes Hall Road there's and old bus stop flag with "West Midlands Travel" and "Asda" on it, assuming there was once a bus from around there to an Asda
Hi Kevin
Could you please report this and any other stop observations to TfWM through this link thanks. This goes for everyone else. As I have noticed quite a few comments about old flags and incorrect information on flags in general.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/get-in-touch/report-a-problem/
On Bentley Road South, the bus flags closest to Bentley Bridge still display 333L/333X on them. None of the other flags going towards the M6 have them. Only the Thandi 37 serves that road now.
Went to Solihull town centre earlier today for the first time in ages.
Found it a bit odd that the 6 no longer shares the same stop as the 49 and 76.
It always used to be the case that these services used the same stop, as they all go towards Solihull College and Shirley, so passengers could just get the first one that turns up.
Doesn't seem very 'connected' to me! Surely the 6 could terminate where it does now, have a layover there, and then turn around at the island to start service at the same stop as the 49 and 76?
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Went to Solihull town centre earlier today for the first time in ages.
Found it a bit odd that the 6 no longer shares the same stop as the 49 and 76.
It always used to be the case that these services used the same stop, as they all go towards Solihull College and Shirley, so passengers could just get the first one that turns up.
Doesn't seem very 'connected' to me! Surely the 6 could terminate where it does now, have a layover there, and then turn around at the island to start service at the same stop as the 49 and 76?
Doesn't seem to be a problem and both stops have buses departing fairly regularly. Plus its also been like that for some time now.
But what about having the 49 and 76 use the the stop that the 5 or 6 use. Then they leave Solihull straight away, instead of going the long way round and using Lode Lane.
People who want the Station tend to get off at Solihull Swimming Baths, as the rear entrance to the Station is there. So you could have the 49 and 76 terminate at Solihull Town Centre as well.
Quote from: 2206 on March 07, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
Doesn't seem to be a big problem and both stops have buses departing fairly regularly. Plus its also been like that for some time now.
Well, that might be the case, but I'm working from my own observations, and previous experience. Granted today I was only ever going to get the 76 anyway, as I wanted to get back to Billesley.
But about 10 years ago, I used to work on the Cranmore industrial estate, and would get the 37 from Acocks Green into Solihull. From there I would get the 6, 76 or 166 (then S9) as they all went along Blossomfield Road to Marshall Lake Road. The Solihull College students would also get on the first bus that arrived, including the 49.
That to me was a 'good connection', and our mayor Andy Street is always banging on about making bus journeys 'better connected'.
Now if you want to get the first bus going along Blossomfield Road, you have to cross Station Road to jump from one stop to another.
Bit of a weird one this.
The Small Heath Asda bus stop towards Birmingham has a new Swift Collector flag alongside the main flag. Is this the only one in the Midlands so far?
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 08, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Bit of a weird one this.
The Small Heath Asda bus stop towards Birmingham has a new Swift Collector flag alongside the main flag. Is this the only one in the Midlands so far?
No, there's lots of them
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 08, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Bit of a weird one this.
The Small Heath Asda bus stop towards Birmingham has a new Swift Collector flag alongside the main flag. Is this the only one in the Midlands so far?
havent seen it u got a pic
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 08, 2020, 10:38:08 PM
Unfortunately, no.
ill have to go town one of the days to get the 60 down
Noticed they could install a new shelter at Nechells Parkway, Bloomsbury Street 55/94 stop. But couldn't replace the missing flag while they did it, very strange. And even at least a week after the new shelter was installed, its still got no flag.
I have reported this to TFWM pleanty of times as well.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 08, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Bit of a weird one this.
The Small Heath Asda bus stop towards Birmingham has a new Swift Collector flag alongside the main flag. Is this the only one in the Midlands so far?
As well as these Swift flags that have appeared, all the stops in the City Centre have new RTI screens as well.
Think they were changed on Priory Queensway at some point last week.
Are there any operators left in the West Midlands still using the old ticket machines now as well?
Quote from: 2206 on March 09, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Noticed they could install a new shelter at Nechells Parkway, Bloomsbury Street. But couldn't replace the missing flag while they did it, very strange.
As well as these Swift flags that have appeared, all the stops in the City Centre have new RTI screens as well.
Think they were changed on Priory Queensway at some point last week.
Are there any operators left in the West Midlands still using the old ticket machines now as well?
The Swift flags are new but there are some others aroumd.
The RTI screens have been updated since I last saw them. I think it's something to do with the new operators being tracked with the new Ticket machines.
The only operators that I think are left are Walsall Community Transport, Coventry Community Transport and may be a few that I can't think of.
Do discount travel and RK have the new machines?
I noticed on the Hagley Road, Five Ways stop for the 12, 12A, 13 & 13A it says 'National Express Service 420' where it'd usually say 'towards Bearwood' or something. What does that mean?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 10, 2020, 06:07:19 PM
I noticed on the Hagley Road, Five Ways stop for the 12, 12A, 13 & 13A it says 'National Express Service 420' where it'd usually say 'towards Bearwood' or something. What does that mean?
420 coach service to Wolverhampton stops there outside Morrisons.
Saw one at the Five Ways earlier, said Clarkes Of London on it.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 10, 2020, 06:07:19 PM
I noticed on the Hagley Road, Five Ways stop for the 12, 12A, 13 & 13A it says 'National Express Service 420' where it'd usually say 'towards Bearwood' or something. What does that mean?
It's going to be a 'data error' or something like that.
Prior to the Five Ways underpass closure, those three stops by Morrisons were mostly out of use, one was for the 126 (when it used to come up Islington Middleway), another was for Ring And Ride, and the other was for the 420 NX coach service.
Presumably in the bus stop database, as no public bus services called there, someone entered 'National Express 420' into the 'Direction' field value, so this could appear when the bus stop flag was printed off.
When Five Ways underpass was closed off and this stop was brought back into use, the public service numbers were added, but the 'Direction' field was never updated. (I have no idea if this coach service still stops there or not to be honest).
This'll be the same reason why on Court Road and Showell Green Lane in Sparkhill the flags still show 'Towards Yardley Wood', though the current 5 service that uses them doesn't go to Yardley Wood, while the previous 2 service did.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2020, 06:44:37 PM
Presumably in the bus stop database, as no public bus services called there, someone entered 'National Express 420' into the 'Direction' field value, so this could appear when the bus stop flag was printed off.
When Five Ways underpass was closed off and this stop was brought back into use, the public service numbers were added, but the 'Direction' field was never updated. (I have no idea if this coach service still stops there or not to be honest).
Hardly an error when the 420 still stops at Five Ways outside Morrisons.
Surely its on the flag because that's the stop it serves.
I've just confirmed it does and if you look at the stop map on Traveline WM you will see that the 420 still stops outside Five Ways Morriosns as well.
An interesting thing I've seen on some of the flags in Coventry City Centre is that, instead of just a list of numbers, it has the numbers in a vertical list with the destination written next to them. Saw them on Corporation Street on Monday, but not all of the stops feature this.
I did also see a red and white NXWM single decker operating there, although I couldn't see what route it was on.
Quote from: ellspurs on March 11, 2020, 03:26:39 AM
An interesting thing I've seen on some of the flags in Coventry City Centre is that, instead of just a list of numbers, it has the numbers in a vertical list with the destination written next to them. Saw them on Corporation Street on Monday, but not all of the stops feature this.
I did also see a red and white NXWM single decker operating there, although I couldn't see what route it was on.
I believe Solihull has the same flag layout as well.
Quote from: ellspurs on March 11, 2020, 03:26:39 AM
An interesting thing I've seen on some of the flags in Coventry City Centre is that, instead of just a list of numbers, it has the numbers in a vertical list with the destination written next to them. Saw them on Corporation Street on Monday, but not all of the stops feature this.
I did also see a red and white NXWM single decker operating there, although I couldn't see what route it was on.
The Red and White NXWM single decker bus that's operating in Coventry is porobably operating on either the WCC tendered 539 or 580 services.
The new flag for the Adderley Street 17 stop towards Small Heath now has the 60 alongside the 17 despite the 60 never serving the stop it serves the shelter before it. I don't know if it's an error or will the 60 stop there now because it does run alongside the 17 on the Coventry Road.
EDIT( a day later):
The X1 and the X2 now serve the shelter and the 17 and the 60 now serve the pole. Makes sense, considering that the 17 and the 60 run alongside each other on the Coventry Road and the X1 and the X2 run alongside each other on Small Heath Highway.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on March 11, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
The Red and White NXWM single decker bus that's operating in Coventry is porobably operating on either the WCC tendered 539 or 580 services.
Indeed, on Thursday I saw a single red and white decker on Dunchurch Road, Rugby on the 580. Couldn't see what the load was like as it was filthy (which is a given from the roads it needs to take south of Rugby to get to the villages).
Quote from: ellspurs on March 13, 2020, 05:15:22 PM
Indeed, on Thursday I saw a single red and white decker on Dunchurch Road, Rugby on the 580. Couldn't see what the load was like as it was filthy (which is a given from the roads it needs to take south of Rugby to get to the villages).
The 580 doesn't carry many passesngers. I don't know about the 4539 though.
Changes to services on Colmore Row.
101/25/10 are moving onto the old Dudley Road stop.
Dudley Road routes are moving down Colmore Row and will stop at the bottom stop with the 126.
23/24 moving to a new stop on Colmore Row and 52 moving to a new stop on Livery Street.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_ADDINFO_REQUEST?filterInfoID=8347_TfWM
Quote from: 2206 on June 17, 2020, 09:55:45 AM
Changes to services on Colmore Row.
101/25/10 are moving onto the old Dudley Road stop.
Dudley Road routes are moving down Colmore Row and will stop at the bottom stop with the 126.
23/24 moving to a new stop on Colmore Row and 52 moving to a new stop on Livery Street.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_ADDINFO_REQUEST?filterInfoID=8347_TfWM
This has to do with the Snow Hill works right??? Didn't know they'll change the stop allocations this early.
Quote from: 2206 on June 17, 2020, 09:55:45 AM
Changes to services on Colmore Row.
101/25/10 are moving onto the old Dudley Road stop.
Dudley Road routes are moving down Colmore Row and will stop at the bottom stop with the 126.
23/24 moving to a new stop on Colmore Row and 52 moving to a new stop on Livery Street.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_ADDINFO_REQUEST?filterInfoID=8347_TfWM
Up Colmore Row, with it being the first stop.
Noticed new bud stops at fox and goose today the look really good their and really suit the location
I noticed something peculiar the other day.
On the Bristol Road at Selly Oak, there are two bus stops on the "to City" side just after the triangle junction of the A4040, A38 and B384 (next to Frankie and Benny's). Both of these stops have flags with the same services on them (61 and 63). One of them was in the current red/white style, whereas the other one is in the older dark blue style.
Looking on Google Maps, the first stop used to be flagged for the 144 (stop SP) with the second one flagged for 61/63 (stop SQ).
When I go past it next (hopefully tomorrow), I'll try to see if the new stop has SQ on it, which would suggest it got put in the wrong place. Other than that I wouldn't have a clue as to why that's happened.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 30, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
I noticed something peculiar the other day.
On the Bristol Road at Selly Oak, there are two bus stops on the "to City" side just after the triangle junction of the A4040, A38 and B384 (next to Frankie and Benny's). Both of these stops have flags with the same services on them (61 and 63). One of them was in the current red/white style, whereas the other one is in the older dark blue style.
Looking on Google Maps, the first stop used to be flagged for the 144 (stop SP) with the second one flagged for 61/63 (stop SQ).
When I go past it next (hopefully tomorrow), I'll try to see if the new stop has SQ on it, which would suggest it got put in the wrong place. Other than that I wouldn't have a clue as to why that's happened.
Long standing agreement between Midland Red & Birmingham City Transport & thier successors had to be overcome to allow all buses to stop at the same stop on Bristol Rd.
Quote from: clentboy7922 on July 30, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
Long standing agreement between Midland Red & Birmingham City Transport & thier successors had to be overcome to allow all buses to stop at the same stop on Bristol Rd.
The 61, 63, X62, X64, used to stop at the same stop as the 144. It used to be the 76 towards Solihull on the flag at the other stop, 76 no longer goes that way now. So presumably any agreement was overcome over a decade ago.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 30, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
I noticed something peculiar the other day.
On the Bristol Road at Selly Oak, there are two bus stops on the "to City" side just after the triangle junction of the A4040, A38 and B384 (next to Frankie and Benny's). Both of these stops have flags with the same services on them (61 and 63). One of them was in the current red/white style, whereas the other one is in the older dark blue style.
Looking on Google Maps, the first stop used to be flagged for the 144 (stop SP) with the second one flagged for 61/63 (stop SQ).
When I go past it next (hopefully tomorrow), I'll try to see if the new stop has SQ on it, which would suggest it got put in the wrong place. Other than that I wouldn't have a clue as to why that's happened.
The junction is being 'remodelled' so I'd guess that the one bus shelter is to ultimately be removed, and all city-bound services will use the same stop.
I haven't been over to Selly Oak for some time, so am not abreast of what's happening at present there, as I haven't seen for myself.
Quote from: 2206 on July 30, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
The 61, 63, X62, X64, used to stop at the same stop as the 144. It used to be the 76 towards Solihull on the flag at the other stop, 76 no longer goes that way now. So presumably any agreement was overcome over a decade ago.
Midland Red West had to legally put thier bus stop flag on the lampost to comply with the agreement at the stop its only been recently removed
Quote from: clentboy7922 on July 30, 2020, 07:55:31 PM
Long standing agreement between Midland Red & Birmingham City Transport & thier successors had to be overcome to allow all buses to stop at the same stop on Bristol Rd.
Well, well, well, look who we have here.
Quote from: Dom on July 30, 2020, 09:04:16 PM
Well, well, well, look who we have here.
Looking on the 2010 street view on google maps, the only flag I can see is one that say "61, 62, 63, 143, 144" and that's on the bus stop.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4412387,-1.9382476,3a,15y,251.96h,86.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sugByY7w-B5EPeNGpXkx6Jw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
No flag on the lamppost from what I can see. So not sure about "only recently removed".
Quote from: Dom on July 30, 2020, 09:04:16 PM
Well, well, well, look who we have here.
Pmsl is that him again?!
Quote from: MW on July 30, 2020, 10:27:10 PM
Pmsl is that him again?!
All signs point towards
Quote from: Stu on July 30, 2020, 08:29:34 PM
The junction is being 'remodelled' so I'd guess that the one bus shelter is to ultimately be removed, and all city-bound services will use the same stop.
I haven't been over to Selly Oak for some time, so am not abreast of what's happening at present there, as I haven't seen for myself.
It's still progressing, slowly.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 30, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
I noticed something peculiar the other day.
On the Bristol Road at Selly Oak, there are two bus stops on the "to City" side just after the triangle junction of the A4040, A38 and B384 (next to Frankie and Benny's). Both of these stops have flags with the same services on them (61 and 63). One of them was in the current red/white style, whereas the other one is in the older dark blue style.
Looking on Google Maps, the first stop used to be flagged for the 144 (stop SP) with the second one flagged for 61/63 (stop SQ).
When I go past it next (hopefully tomorrow), I'll try to see if the new stop has SQ on it, which would suggest it got put in the wrong place. Other than that I wouldn't have a clue as to why that's happened.
I went past it again today, and the new flag doesn't denote a stop code on it. As Stu said, they're probably going to remove one of the stops and didn't want to leave it blank. Strange though that the 144 no longer stops there.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 31, 2020, 01:30:52 AM
It's still progressing, slowly.
Very, very slowly. If I'm not going through at 6am I usually end up getting stuck there for 10-15 minutes. Very poorly set up junctions all around there.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 01, 2020, 12:01:48 AM
I went past it again today, and the new flag doesn't denote a stop code on it. As Stu said, they're probably going to remove one of the stops and didn't want to leave it blank. Strange though that the 144 no longer stops there.
Very, very slowly. If I'm not going through at 6am I usually end up getting stuck there for 10-15 minutes. Very poorly set up junctions all around there.
Yeah, I went past them yesterday on 5517. It does look odd, but I'd imagine one of them will get removed like you say. I believe the 144 is a Limited Stop service.
As for the roadworks, it can get pretty bad in Selly Oak if there's any disruption whatsoever.
I was on the X1 today and noticed that there was a new bus stop shelter at Kings Road in Small Heath. It looked like the ones they are trialling for sprint, does anyone know anything else about this? They looked really nice so I hope they are.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 01, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
I was on the X1 today and noticed that there was a new bus stop shelter at Kings Road in Small Heath. It looked like the ones they are trialling for sprint, does anyone know anything else about this? They looked really nice so I hope they are.
That stop has been there for months now. And yes it is for Sprint.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 01, 2020, 06:29:36 PM
That stop has been there for months now. And yes it is for Sprint.
At that junction I'm usually too busy trying to avoid the insane idiots chopping and changing lanes to notice that there was a new bus stop there!
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 01, 2020, 06:29:36 PM
That stop has been there for months now. And yes it is for Sprint.
Got a pic by any chance?
Noticed that the stops on Shenley Lane now have been updated to say 27 and 44. Yet, for some reason there's no timetable in the shelters for the 44. Then again, they're gonna have to be changed again very soon anyway.
Also, there's a stop by Gregory Avenue where the 27 doesn't stop yet it has the timetable for the 27.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 15, 2020, 08:54:21 PM
Noticed that the stops on Shenley Lane now have been updated to say 27 and 44. Yet, for some reason there's no timetable in the shelters for the 44. Then again, they're gonna have to be changed again very soon anyway.
Also, there's a stop by Gregory Avenue where the 27 doesn't stop yet it has the timetable for the 27.
And yet the Stafford Road stops still have the 54A on them.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 04, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
Noticed new bud stops at fox and goose today the look really good their and really suit the location
I noticed today that the old yellow and green stop on the 28/28A route that was in Ward End has been replaced by a brand new stop as well. Alum Rock Road, The Ward End is the stop name.
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
I noticed today that the old yellow and green stop on the 28/28A route that was in Ward End has been replaced by a brand new stop as well. Alum Rock Road, The Ward End is the stop name.
In the last few weeks, some of the old green/yellow shelters along Yardley Wood Road in Moseley and Billesley have also been replaced with shiny new ones. Still got one on Trittiford Road.
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
I noticed today that the old yellow and green stop on the 28/28A route that was in Ward End has been replaced by a brand new stop as well. Alum Rock Road, The Ward End is the stop name.
The stop name needs to be changed. The Ward End closed ages ago. It's a wedding venue now I think.
Looks like the green and yellow bus stops are down to its last 10.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 18, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
The stop name needs to be changed. The Ward End closed ages ago. It's a wedding venue now I think.
Looks like the green and yellow bus stops are down to its last 10.
I think its a restaurant. "Shahi Masala Buffet Restaurant" according to Google.
Though yes, it probably does need its name changed. Maybe to "Alum Rock Road, St Josephs Road".
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 18, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
Looks like the green and yellow bus stops are down to its last 10.
There one on the Pensnett High Street opposite to Sainsbury's
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2020, 07:08:32 PM
I think its a restaurant. "Shahi Masala Buffet Restaurant" according to Google.
Though yes, it probably does need its name changed. Maybe to "Alum Rock Road, St Josephs Road".
Or Burney Lane.
Wolverhampton Road / Samuel Street in Bloxwich is missing details for Service 70, on the sign, the poster & the RTI!
Has been reported to TfWM.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 18, 2020, 07:06:20 PM
The stop name needs to be changed. The Ward End closed ages ago. It's a wedding venue now I think.
Looks like the green and yellow bus stops are down to its last 10.
Theres loads still about. Dyas Road has two on the 28. Old Walsall Road ob has 2. Theres a good few on the 27 between Northfield and Stirchley. There was a load of them in Gospel Oak.
The Ridgeway, Ercall Close (ob) on the 7 is green/yellow and the last of its type on the whole of the route.
Still quite a few of them and aren't down to their last ten.
Quote from: Stu on August 18, 2020, 06:46:28 PM
In the last few weeks, some of the old green/yellow shelters along Yardley Wood Road in Moseley and Billesley have also been replaced with shiny new ones. Still got one on Trittiford Road.
The Stoney Lane, Fullham Road inbound stop is also green and yellow, well it could of been changed since last monday.
Theres at least 5 on the 16 route
As of this morning the green shelter at the Dyas Road, Birdbrook Road us being replaced as I type this. The old shelter in the back of a truck and the new shiny one being installed.
Quote from: Jack on August 20, 2020, 11:23:41 AM
As of this morning the green shelter at the Dyas Road, Birdbrook Road us being replaced as I type this. The old shelter in the back of a truck and the new shiny one being installed.
Where do the old shelters go?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 20, 2020, 12:25:17 PM
Where do the old shelters go?
I suppose there is a compound somewhere full of redundant shelters. They seem to be already erected then lifted into place these days - rather than built-up on the street. Same when they are lifted out.
I notice some of those 'Primeline' showcase shelters (all painted dark blue in Coventry - although a few have been painted grey & red) are looking increasingly shabby these days. They date roughly from 1998 to the 2006 period. TfWM seem to have settled on a more modern silver design in the last 10 years or so though, but it takes ages to replace all the older ones.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 20, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
I suppose there is a compound somewhere full of redundant shelters....
Definitely some out there have been re-appropriated into smoking shelters, assuming they've been saved from scrap or purchased
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 20, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
I suppose there is a compound somewhere full of redundant shelters. They seem to be already erected then lifted into place these days - rather than built-up on the street. Same when they are lifted out.
I don't know if it still there, but a few years ago, last time I was at Dudley bus station, when I looked over a wall at the back, there was some kind of yard below, which had a few 'derelict' bus shelters and parts being stored.
Quote from: Kevin on August 20, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Definitely some out there have been re-appropriated into smoking shelters, assuming they've been saved from scrap or purchased
I guess some end up being 'donated' for use as smoking shelters and the like. Certainly there's one at Moseley Rugby Club.
Most probably go off for scrap though.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 20, 2020, 12:25:17 PM
Where do the old shelters go?
Years back some used to go to an industrial yard on moor lane, witton. Not sure if they still do
Quote from: Lukeee on August 20, 2020, 10:59:48 PM
Years back some used to go to an industrial yard on moor lane, witton. Not sure if they still do
I'm sure on Flickr (or maybe it was on Facebook) someone posted a picture of a shabby looking yard full of TfWM shelters - slightly surreal as it appears most had been lifted straight off the street and just dumped there, some still with advert panels attached.
I assume TfWM (and its predecessors) have approached an outside contractor to build and supply shelters for the WM area - all of broadly the same design but in different lengths/width pitch and modular make-up for specific sites on the streets. It is possible the earlier Showcase/Primeline shelters and the current silver ones [for want of a better description] are from the same company.
When I spent a couple of days in Belfast in July (and in Liverpool a couple of years back) it would appear Clear Channel Adshel supplies all the shelters; be it for advertising or otherwise, creating a uniformity across the streets. They are all in the same colour (yellow/black in Merseyside) and generally speaking all of the same design. Here it seems to be a mish-mash of colours, older designs, newer ones etc - perhaps TfWM have finally settled on something in recent years!
I've seen that they've started to remove the 94A service from the flags on Auckland Drive.
All of the yellow/green shelters have been replaced on Woodlands Park Road with silver/red ones.
Quite a few bus stops have been changing around the Bartley Green/ Woodgate Area.
Clapgate Lane -> Kettles Wood Drive
Clapgate Lane (another stop) -> Wood Leasow
The things I don't get:
• Last year, a bus stop was added at Newman university for the 23 to lay by, however this stop stop seems to no longer be in use and the 23 flag has moved to join the 002. The 18 is missing though, does it not stop at Newman university anymore (heading to Adam's hill)?
• The next stop announcement name for The Old Crown has changed (to Tyndall Walk) , but there is no obvious need for it to have changed... I wonder why?
I wonder if it's possible when the 76 is added to the bus stops to replace the 27 they can remove X21 from the Weoley Castle Road, Gregory Avenue stop. There's no need for it to stop both there and at the Gregory Avenue, Weoley Castle Road stop which is quite literally across the road.
Quote from: mesub on September 03, 2020, 04:29:03 PM
• Last year, a bus stop was added at Newman university for the 23 to lay by, however this stop stop seems to no longer be in use and the 23 flag has moved to join the 002. The 18 is missing though, does it not stop at Newman university anymore (heading to Adam's hill)?
As I'm back to work and I catch the 18, a few days in a row now they haven't stopped at the university but instead drive past using the more direct road so I assume it no longer stops there but I maybe wrong.
Quote from: bususer28 on September 03, 2020, 05:55:33 PM
As I'm back to work and I catch the 18, a few days in a row now they haven't stopped at the university but instead drive past using the more direct road so I assume it no longer stops there but I maybe wrong.
Bit weird if that is the case. Newman University is the main stop point around that area really. In my opinion either the X21 or X22 should serve it too.
Are TfWm in progress of updating stops as per 30 August changes, as Wolverhampton Road/Samuel Street stop is still showing the previous information?
Quote from: Westy on September 03, 2020, 06:16:55 PM
Are TfWm in progress of updating stops as per 30 August changes, as Wolverhampton Road/Samuel Street stop is still showing the previous information?
Round here, the printed timetables at stops were only updated a couple of weeks ago to show 5th July timetables.
I don't know why they couldn't have just left them another couple of weeks and do them just ahead of the 30th August changes.
I noticed this morning at the Palmerston Road stops on Stratford Road by Aldi, that the stop for the X50 now shows 'Not In Use'.
Just been on the Johnsons website and the X50 has been reinstated since 30th August, but now stops at Stoney Lane stop towards city instead.
In my opinion, these two stops by Aldi should have been 'switched' a long time ago, to make things a bit easier when buses are making up time when running early. As the X50 only runs on Sunday, it makes more sense to me to have the 2, 3, 4/A, 5 and 6 use that stop instead, then any other bus arriving behind can use the other stop as an 'overspill'. (Like what happens across the road next to the church).
There was one morning a few weeks ago, when there were already two buses waiting at the stop, while another was waiting before the car park entrance. The bus I was on (either 2 or 3 can't remember now) ended up having to pull in ahead of this queue, and ended up just beyond the X50 stop.
Quote from: Stu on September 03, 2020, 06:19:40 PM
Round here, the printed timetables at stops were only updated a couple of weeks ago to show 5th July timetables.
I noticed the frequencies on the 55/94 stand in the City Centre dated 5th July are all wrong.
For instance it says the 55/94 run every 1 minute to Washwood Heath and every 8 minutes to Ward End, which is bizzare. Both are wrong, same route, so should be the same frequency. Should both be every 4 or 5 minutes.
The Stafford Road stops have been updated to remove the 54A.
4/58 bus stop in Solihull Town Centre has "62 Warwickshire College" on the stop. Not sure why this is still on it. As sure I remember reading this service was withdrawn by Stagecoach and that was years ago.
So not sure why its on a newer WM Bus flag.
Edit - Just noticed I mentioned the same error exactly 2 years ago on another thread.
Quote from: 2206 on September 07, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
A few errors in the Solihull area:
The stop the 4 uses in Solihull Town Centre on Poplar Road (Towards Birmingham) still says "62 Warwickshire College" on the flag - though Stagecoach withdrew this route years ago now and since then they've updated the same flag to show "4 Birmingham (Updated from 37).
I see the 76 has been added to stops in Harborne, Weoley and Northfield now. But they've been missed off one side of Harborne Park Rd towards Solihull. I don't know if this is an error because the 27 didn't go along that side because of the silly one way loop or what.
... they've gone back around and readded the 94A to the bus flags around here. I hope Claribels hasn't had to pay twice for that.
Starting to See a Massive change in bus stops in Acocks Green.Especially ones with no shelter and have bus times in the other side.Just a few more blue ones left to be replaced.
This new flag has been put in the wrong place as the 76 and X21 don't use that stop.
53 Stop at Richmond Road, Stechford (Towards City Centre) has seemingly got a new flag for some reason which says "Bus Stop Not In Use".
I thought the 53 stops there, I have checked the stop list on Traveline WM and it is listed as stopping there "Stechford, Five Ways (after)". So I presume that is an error.
Also seems like a long distance between there and Stechford Station without a stop. Does it operate a hail and ride service along there, or just not stop?
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=20053&sup=%20&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=EFA01_62592968&lineVer=3&itdLPxx_spTr=3&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=THC
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2020, 07:26:51 PM
53 Stop at Richmond Road, Stechford (Towards City Centre) has seemingly got a new flag for some reason which says "Bus Stop Not In Use".
I thought the 53 stops there, I have checked the stop list on Traveline WM and it is listed as stopping there "Stechford, Five Ways (after)". So I presume that is an error.
Also seems like a long distance between there and Stechford Station without a stop. Does it operate a hail and ride service along there, or just not stop?
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=20053&sup=%20&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=EFA01_62592968&lineVer=3&itdLPxx_spTr=3&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=THC
Has that list been purposely selected like that? Intricate details of stops in Alum Rock, then Stechford Station, Shard End and the "Smithwood" terminus. It does stop more times than that, there's about 5 stops on Lanchester Way in Smith's Wood alone.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 27, 2020, 08:07:25 PM
Has that list been purposely selected like that? Intricate details of stops in Alum Rock, then Stechford Station, Shard End and the "Smithwood" terminus. It does stop more times than that, there's about 5 stops on Lanchester Way in Smith's Wood alone.
Click all stops and you can see all of them.
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
Click all stops and you can see all of them.
I see. Well bold type are "important stops", right? Why are all the Alum Rock stops important?
I don't understand things most of the time -_-.
Looks like a new stop has been added on Cromwell Lane for the 002 and X21. Not sure why though.
Does anyone know what bus route used to run on the Cross farm road (it is between Harborne park road and Metchley lane)? I couldn't see it clearly when I drove past that road and through google map but it was a Midland red bus stop.
Also the same question about Ridgacre Lane (by Quinton Tesco) but sadly, there isn't bus stop. It was removed when the street lights modernised.
Quote from: Sayeed on December 09, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
Does anyone know what bus route used to run on the Cross farm road (it is between Harborne park road and Metchley lane)? I couldn't see it clearly when I drove past that road and through google map but it was a Midland red bus stop.
Also the same question about Ridgacre Lane (by Quinton Tesco) but sadly, there isn't bus stop. It was removed when the street lights modernised.
It might have been the 453/454 that used Cross Farm Road at some point, my Midland Red West guide from Summer 94 has them going a different way but I'm sure I've seen a timetable showing they may have gone that way at some point?
Quote from: Cheese on December 10, 2020, 10:57:28 AM
It might have been the 453/454 that used Cross Farm Road at some point, my Midland Red West guide from Summer 94 has them going a different way but I'm sure I've seen a timetable showing they may have gone that way at some point?
I think it was possibly the routes that the 453/454 replaced,
There was the 653 which ran Hamstead / Aston University across to B'ham Uni and World's End / Quinton, Jeffersons under the Quickstep brand
There was also a route that ran from Smethwick and went along the 453/4 route but up Rathbone Rd as opposed to Norman Rd, through the Fitzroy Estate, Overdale Road, Welsh House Farm and came out on Quinton Road opposite the Hillyfields and onto the Outer Circle route which could then have taken Cross Farm Road heading to Harborne or the QE. It could have been the 642,
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 10, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
I think it was possibly the routes that the 453/454 replaced,
There was the 653 which ran Hamstead / Aston University across to B'ham Uni and World's End / Quinton, Jeffersons under the Quickstep brand
There was also a route that ran from Smethwick and went along the 453/4 route but up Rathbone Rd as opposed to Norman Rd, through the Fitzroy Estate, Overdale Road, Welsh House Farm and came out on Quinton Road opposite the Hillyfields and onto the Outer Circle route which could then have taken Cross Farm Road heading to Harborne or the QE. It could have been the 642,
I've looked at some old Centro maps from the early to late 90s and those routes aren't shown as serving Cross Farm Road. In the earlier maps the road is on there but shown as unserved - later versions no longer show it. May be a short-lived route change which doesn't show up in too many places.
Does the 23 heading out of town no longer stop at Barnes hill? I was returning from ASDA and noticed that the flag and timetable are missing it.
It would make sense since the Hillcrest School stop is only a 30 second walk away and this stop is right next to a roundabout, making it slightly dangerous for another vehicle to overtake it.
Quote from: mesub on December 16, 2020, 04:54:42 PM
Does the 23 heading out of town no longer stop at Barnes hill? I was returning from ASDA and noticed that the flag and timetable are missing it.
It would make sense since the Hillcrest School stop is only a 30 second walk away and this stop is right next to a roundabout, making it slightly dangerous for another vehicle to overtake it.
I used that stop today when getting off an X22, so it must still be used.
That stop has been there for quite some time, can't see it just being taken away.
Quote from: Cheese on December 10, 2020, 10:57:28 AM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 10, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: SO6597 on December 10, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Thank you guys, interesting read.
Quote from: mesub on December 16, 2020, 04:54:42 PM
Does the 23 heading out of town no longer stop at Barnes hill? I was returning from ASDA and noticed that the flag and timetable are missing it.
It would make sense since the Hillcrest School stop is only a 30 second walk away and this stop is right next to a roundabout, making it slightly dangerous for another vehicle to overtake it.
I was going to post about this while ago that they should restrict it at certain times. Plus, pupils' parents/guardians park their car there as a drop off and pick up point, which it could be why there is long traffic.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 16, 2020, 10:38:46 PM
I used that stop today when getting off an X22, so it must still be used.
That stop has been there for quite some time, can't see it just being taken away.
The X22 and 39A are still on the flag, only the 23 is missing interestingly
Quote from: mesub on December 17, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
The X22 and 39A are still on the flag, only the 23 is missing interestingly
Ah fair enough, I didn't look at the flag personally. That is interesting actually.
I was looking out of the car window and noticed that it's the same for both the Hillcrest School stop and the Simmons Leasow stop so it must be some sort of human error. Unless there are plans to reroute the 23? (Highly unlikely though).
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 10, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
I think it was possibly the routes that the 453/454 replaced,
There was the 653 which ran Hamstead / Aston University across to B'ham Uni and World's End / Quinton, Jeffersons under the Quickstep brand
There was also a route that ran from Smethwick and went along the 453/4 route but up Rathbone Rd as opposed to Norman Rd, through the Fitzroy Estate, Overdale Road, Welsh House Farm and came out on Quinton Road opposite the Hillyfields and onto the Outer Circle route which could then have taken Cross Farm Road heading to Harborne or the QE. It could have been the 642,
I've recently bought a second hand MRW timetable book dated Autumn 1991. It was the 653 that ran along
Cross Farm Road - some journeys to Hamstead started at Harborne Park Road and ran one way along there to join Metchley Lane. The actual timetable is dated September 90 so it used the road for at least a year.
Quote from: Stu on September 03, 2020, 06:49:27 PM
I noticed this morning at the Palmerston Road stops on Stratford Road by Aldi, that the stop for the X50 now shows 'Not In Use'.
Just been on the Johnsons website and the X50 has been reinstated since 30th August, but now stops at Stoney Lane stop towards city instead.
In my opinion, these two stops by Aldi should have been 'switched' a long time ago, to make things a bit easier when buses are making up time when running early. As the X50 only runs on Sunday, it makes more sense to me to have the 2, 3, 4/A, 5 and 6 use that stop instead, then any other bus arriving behind can use the other stop as an 'overspill'. (Like what happens across the road next to the church).
There was one morning a few weeks ago, when there were already two buses waiting at the stop, while another was waiting before the car park entrance. The bus I was on (either 2 or 3 can't remember now) ended up having to pull in ahead of this queue, and ended up just beyond the X50 stop.
Looks like someone agreed with me - noticed today that the two stops next to Aldi city-bound have been switched around now, much better now!
on hurst lane castle brom there seems to be two missing stops which show up in the network wm app but when you got there both stops are not there
i don't know how to add a photo please help
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 09, 2021, 06:23:55 PM
on hurst lane castle brom there seems to be two missing stops which show up in the network wm app but when you got there both stops are not there
i don't know how to add a photo please help
Which set of stops is it? There's one set north of Longmeadow Crescent (only served by the 58) and one set south of Longmeadow Crescent (served by 58 and 55 going north, and only the 58 going south).
If you need to upload a photo, click the "attachment" button below where you type your message in, and follow the instructions. If you've uploaded the file elsewhere, just paste the URL.
EDIT: I got the road wrong and changed it.
Are there many floating bus stops in the West Mids. Have a look on Youtube if you dont know what I mean
Quote from: ellspurs on April 09, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
Which set of stops is it? There's one set north of Longmeadow Crescent (only served by the 58) and one set south of Longmeadow Crescent (served by 58 and 55 going north, and only the 58 going south).
If you need to upload a photo, click the "attachment" button below where you type your message in, and follow the instructions. If you've uploaded the file elsewhere, just paste the URL.
EDIT: I got the road wrong and changed it.
it's hurst lane north sorry
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 09, 2021, 08:09:48 PM
it's hurst lane north sorry
Yeah, those stops aren't there. As mentioned by Tony on another thread recently, Hurst Lane North never used to have any stops at all on it because the residents objected to the buses going up that road when the 194 started to serve Chelmsley Wood North. Currently there is just the one stop by Castle Bromwich Junior School towards the Chester Road end.
I've just been on the Network WM website and done a "plan your journey" from Springfield Road to the City Centre. The directions tell you to walk to that stop you've got in your screenshot, but if you click on the map, there's no bus stop shown there. It appears to be an error on their end.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 09, 2021, 07:47:11 PM
Are there many floating bus stops in the West Mids. Have a look on Youtube if you dont know what I mean
I've not seen any. I watched the video of the one in Trumpington, Cambridge, and I've honestly not noticed any over there when I've been in Cambridge (although to be fair, most of my time in Cambridge is spent avoiding the cyclists that just appear from anywhere and everywhere).
There is at least one floating bus stop going in on Barker Butts Lane Coventry as there will be a new cycleway. I think the council is looking at adding more of them in Coventry.
Some people say they are dangerous if the waiting island is too narrow? Drivers will need to be careful loading wheel chairs in case a bike comes wizzing along.
The 14 stop outside Grace Academy in Chelmsley Wood says "towards Marston Green" on it.
Think it should say "towards Alum Rock" as only the 72 goes to Marston Green.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/heatwave-causes-chelmsley-wood-bus-21090405
As this isn't a "bus incident", I felt that this was the most appropriate place to report a bus shelter "exploding".
Quote from: ellspurs on July 19, 2021, 04:56:18 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/heatwave-causes-chelmsley-wood-bus-21090405
As this isn't a "bus incident", I felt that this was the most appropriate place to report a bus shelter "exploding".
Makes a change from a Diamond bus being involved, as it was in Leamore a few years ago!
Quote from: Westy on July 19, 2021, 06:32:24 PM
Makes a change from a Diamond bus being involved, as it was in Leamore a few years ago!
if i remember correctly it was a Optare solo on the 31 during the winter
Quote from: ellspurs on July 19, 2021, 04:56:18 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/heatwave-causes-chelmsley-wood-bus-21090405
As this isn't a "bus incident", I felt that this was the most appropriate place to report a bus shelter "exploding".
Todays temperatures are not enough to make a bus shelter catch fire by itself.
My conclusion is that something else caused this, probably kids messing about setting things alight.
Well it's Chelmsley Wood. It's a given that the kiddies are involved.
Either that or one of the electrical things powering the lights/destination display went kablooey?
Quote from: ellspurs on July 19, 2021, 07:08:36 PM
Well it's Chelmsley Wood. It's a given that the kiddies are involved.
Either that or one of the electrical things powering the lights/destination display went kablooey?
A few weeks back, my sister flagged up bare wires showing in the Bloxwich Samuel Street shelter.
She asked me to report it for her , as she didn't know how to, & as far as I know, it's been resolved.
I wonder if it might have been a similar issue, that wasn't reported?
I like how they've replaced the flag at stop NS1 with the pride one but included the X20 on it lol.
I've noticed alot of bus stops in Wolverhampton haven't been updated to show the new 29th August 2021 timetable, some have been done but loads haven't
They're rather behind.
None of the 96 stops have had their flags changed here yet, the stops still show the sign in them that the 96 route had changed. Next time I walk past one of the new stops I'll look to see if they've changed the timetable at least.
Yikes
Quote from: ellspurs on September 20, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
None of the 96 stops have had their flags changed here yet, the stops still show the sign in them that the 96 route had changed. Next time I walk past one of the new stops I'll look to see if they've changed the timetable at least.
I noticed today the whole timetable case at Alum Rock Road, Treaford Lane has disappeared along with the timetable at that stop. Towards Great Barr on 28.
In Bucklands End they changed the flags to show 95 I think and never added 96 as of Friday
The stop that I was waiting for the 94/95 at yesterday in Ward End on Washwood Heath Road has finally had timetable changed though, for weeks it has still said 55.
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2021, 10:16:38 PM
I noticed today the whole timetable case at Alum Rock Road, Treaford Lane has disappeared along with the timetable at that stop. Towards Great Barr on 28.
In Bucklands End they changed the flags to show 95 I think and never added 96 as of Friday
The stop that I was waiting for the 94/95 at yesterday in Ward End on Washwood Heath Road has finally had timetable changed though, for weeks it has still said 55.
I don't think the 96 has been changed at all. The flags on Parkfield Estate have had X70 changed to X13, but not had the 96 removed, and the Smith's Wood stops still remain as they were. It seems like the 96 changes were planned later than the 55/X70 changes.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 20, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
They're rather behind.
None of the 96 stops have had their flags changed here yet, the stops still show the sign in them that the 96 route had changed. Next time I walk past one of the new stops I'll look to see if they've changed the timetable at least.
As an update to this...
I walked from Smith's Wood down to Timberley Lane today (I like to go for a walk each day) with the intention of getting the bus back. I got to Timberley Lane, just to see the bus pass as there isn't even a bus stop installed on the Chelmsley-bound side of the road. I then wandered up Brownfield Road with the intention of getting the bus at the stop on Heath Way. None of the stops I saw had updated flags on them (except the one on Heath Way had been changed to 95 from 55). The timetables had been updated however to include the 96.
I got on the 96 when it turned up, there were two others on there. Someone else got on at Chester Road/Timberley Lane, and someone got on at the Hurst Lane North stop, asking if the bus went down Auckland Drive (driver said he went down Lanchester Way). The Hurst Lane North stop didn't have an updated timetable in it. She got off at the first stop on Lanchester Way (Morris Croft, as there isn't a stop by the Green Lane junction), and two people got off at the Burtons Lane stop. No information was displayed on the buses regarding any route changes (I am unaware if this stopped being done due to COVID).
Quote from: ellspurs on September 23, 2021, 01:29:38 PM
No information was displayed on the buses regarding any route changes (I am unaware if this stopped being done due to COVID).
I can say for certain there is/was information regarding route changes onboard, as I remember seeing them, the notice was on the window where they are normally found and near where they are/were advertising student passes, etc.
These may have been removed by now as the changes occured some time ago, or just not on that paticular bus, i'm not sure on that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 23, 2021, 07:15:44 AM
Why is the X21 included on that flag?
Your guess is as good as mine.
At least one of the bus stop flags outside of the QE has been evidently secured to the shelter with the wrong edge, no wonder the flags are in this state if the contractors can't perform such a simple task!
Waiting for the 28 going to Ward End at the stop on the Chester Road by the JLR and the RTI board was saying that the stop was being served by the "67 to Hasbury" and "28 to Alum Rock". Neither of which are correct.
I've no idea where Hasbury is even supposed to be, as its 67 to Castle Vale and the 28 doesn't serve the Alum Rock Road like the 14 does, it turns left onto Belchers Lane.
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2021, 04:25:07 PM
Waiting for the 28 going to Ward End at the stop on the Chester Road by the JLR and the RTI board was saying that the stop was being served by the "67 to Hasbury" and "28 to Alum Rock". Neither of which are correct.
I've no idea where Hasbury is even supposed to be, as its 67 to Castle Vale and the 28 doesn't serve the Alum Rock Road like the 14 does it turns left onto Belchers Lane.
Hmmm.... a secret cross city extension to the 67 then :-)
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2021, 04:25:07 PM
"28 to Alum Rock".
I've been seeing the 28's on bustimes.org saying Alum Rock instead of Heartlands Hospital - so maybe it's been changed?
► https://bustimes.org/services/28-small-heath-great-barr-via-erdington/vehicles?date=2021-09-28
Quote from: GoldenSquid on September 28, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
I've been seeing the 28's on bustimes.org saying Alum Rock instead of Heartlands Hospital - so maybe it's been changed?
► https://bustimes.org/services/28-small-heath-great-barr-via-erdington/vehicles?date=2021-09-28
Whats changed? Terminates by Aldi on Bordesley Green East down the road from Heartlands Hospital like it always has. 73 at Heartlands terminates at the stops near the hospital entrance, though the RTI screens likewise used to show "73 Alum Rock" I think.
I don't think the big blue RTI board things at the Fox & Goose even recognises the 28 as its only ever got the 11 and 94/95 on it.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on September 28, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
I've been seeing the 28's on bustimes.org saying Alum Rock instead of Heartlands Hospital - so maybe it's been changed?
► https://bustimes.org/services/28-small-heath-great-barr-via-erdington/vehicles?date=2021-09-28
Quote from: 2206 on September 28, 2021, 02:10:24 PM
Whats changed? Terminates by Aldi on Bordesley Green East down the road from Heartlands Hospital like it always has. 73 at Heartlands terminates at the stops near the hospital entrance, though the RTI screens likewise used to show "73 Alum Rock" I think.
Nothing has changed, its just due to 'data sources'. Every bus stop has a name, a street name and an area/district stored in the national database. The terminus points are determined from the 'area/district' of the bus stop the route terminates at
For some reason the stops at Heartlands Hospital likely fall under the wider 'Alum Rock' district/area, which will be also why the 73 shows the same. Equally on RTI displays, the 50 shows 'Digbeth' as the destination, and the 2 shows 'Highters Heath'.
Nice to see that in Walsall that apparently the 7A, 8A and 10A are still supposedly running according to the flags. A month later, very sloppy!
Quote from: Jack on October 04, 2021, 06:52:06 PM
Nice to see that in Walsall that apparently the 7A, 8A and 10A are still supposedly running according to the flags. A month later, very sloppy!
And the 60!
The 6 stop in Solihull Town Centre for some reason has a timetable for 96 Kingstanding to Chelmsley Wood via Erdington.
Quote from: 2206 on October 08, 2021, 09:25:40 PM
The 6 stop in Solihull Town Centre for some reason has a timetable for 96 Kingstanding to Chelmsley Wood via Erdington.
Ah, that's where the timetable has ended up. There's a few stops around here missing a 96 timetable.
The X1 stop at the Burges in Coventry is missing the timetable for that service.
There are timetables for 7 service, etc. It looked as though they couldn't fit it on.
3 new stops have been installed on heathland avenue for 96, looks like they've moved from where the temporary ones were
Had an email from TfWM earlier today regarding Service Disruption.
QuoteWhat happened?
From Sunday 7th November (to Tue 30th November)
Stop MS16 on Moor Street Queensway will be closed for Sprint shelter upgrade works.
During this time, the following services will move stops
NXWM 45, 47, 61, 63, 97, X21, X22 will move to stop at MS15
NXWM 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5, 6 and Johnsons X50 will move to a temporary stop adjacent to Moor Street Station
I just find it really strange (and pointless) as the 2, 3, 5 and 6 services already use the stop across the road to terminate and start from on Moor Street Queensway.
Is there really any need for these services to utilise any stop on that side of the road?
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2021, 06:02:12 PM
Had an email from TfWM earlier today regarding Service Disruption.
I just find it really strange (and pointless) as the 2, 3, 5 and 6 services already use the stop across the road to terminate and start from on Moor Street Queensway.
Is there really any need for these services to utilise any stop on that side of the road?
Purely to stop people from having to cross over a busy road to get their bus.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 29, 2021, 06:10:42 PM
Purely to stop people from having to cross over a busy road to get their bus.
There are traffic lights to cross the road. No point to that one at all. The Coventry Rd routes never used to stop at both.
Quote from: 2206 on October 29, 2021, 06:16:01 PM
There are traffic lights to cross the road. No point to that one at all. The Coventry Rd routes never used to stop at both.
Well they used to all run down Park Street when it was open, right?
Say you're getting to the bus stop to catch the X2 and you see it pulling off in the distance. Given the amount of time it'll take for it to turn around, you just waltz across the road and catch it from the stop on the other side. Would you rather there just be one stop so you'd have to wait 15/20 minutes for the next one to come along, when you can see it go past on the other side of the road a few minutes later?
Quote from: ellspurs on October 29, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
Well they used to all run down Park Street when it was open, right?
Yes. Then it closed and the X2 etc still served the same stop and turned round using Carrs Lane.
They moved it down to the side of Moor Street Station when Lower Bull Street closed.
One stop on Broad Lane in Coventry has 8/8A on the flag. When it is served by the 14. Stop name is Larch Tree Avenue.
Any idea why the Streetly and 997 services have been taken off the flag at the St Stephens Street stop outbound but are still stopping there...
Quote from: Jack on December 12, 2021, 08:17:08 PM
Any idea why the Streetly and 997 services have been taken off the flag at the St Stephens Street stop outbound but are still stopping there...
they are stopping at the next stop down by the shops
The bus stop by Foley Road in Ward End on Washwood Heath Road going towards City has a glass frame smashed and the rest of the glass is hanging off.
Whilst I'm thinking of such things, where or how are broken digital time displays reported to? The one at Saltley Gate has been off for months.
Quote from: Gareth on January 03, 2022, 08:43:03 PM
Whilst I'm thinking of such things, where or how are broken digital time displays reported to? The one at Saltley Gate has been off for months.
The 11C stop by the Nursery on Bromford Lane has had the RTI display off for weeks to.
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2022, 08:44:37 PM
The 11C stop by the Nursery on Bromford Lane has had the RTI display off for weeks to.
The shelter in Bradford Place for the 11/11A has the RTI displaying for the 60, X1/X2 are due and how long they are arriving. This shelter has obviously been from the Wheatsheaf IB stop and not had the RTI updated...
Strafford road 1/1A stop towards Acocks Green always displays no due services and has a error displaying. Very rare to see the due buses on there.
You can report issues with bus stops here:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/get-help/report-a-problem-with-a-bus-stop-or-park-and-ride/
Quote from: mesub on January 03, 2022, 09:18:58 PM
You can report issues with bus stops here:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/get-help/report-a-problem-with-a-bus-stop-or-park-and-ride/
Thank you! Let's see how long it takes to get fixed!
Quote from: Gareth on January 03, 2022, 09:44:36 PM
Thank you! Let's see how long it takes to get fixed!
No problem!
Before the pandemic, I reported things and they seemed to be fixed within a few days. For electronic displays, I got a follow up email when they said they had fixed it.
Not sure about now though ???
an accident yesterday on washwood heath road resulted in st agathas road stop towards city being destroyed the whole stop was smashed into temp bus stop has been put on wonder how long it will take too be replaced
Quote from: mesub on January 03, 2022, 09:57:30 PM
No problem!
Before the pandemic, I reported things and they seemed to be fixed within a few days. For electronic displays, I got a follow up email when they said they had fixed it.
Not sure about now though ???
I presume it depends on the issue, the faulty light at the stop by Wednesbury Great Western St tram stop for the 11/11A got fixed within a couple of days when I reported it.
The bus flags on the X21/X22 route at the Church Road stop (both sides) say Arthur Road, Carpenter Road.
The Carpenter Road stops are correct.
Quote from: Gareth on January 03, 2022, 09:44:36 PM
Thank you! Let's see how long it takes to get fixed!
The display was finally fixed today! 🙌🏼 23 days from reporting. Glad to see it back finally.
On the topic of bus stops, I wonder how many old stop flags still survive? I recall seeing one in Tipton a while back, along with one in Darlaston and one in Bloxwich, along with the old flags in Water Orton, unless they've been changed now. I also found another today in Wednesbury, which still has the old 645/646 route numbers on there, and it's still a valid stop for the 65 and 67 according to both Google and bustimes.
Quote from: DJ on January 27, 2022, 12:09:15 AM
along with the old flags in Water Orton, unless they've been changed now.
No they haven't.
I caught 7517 and 6947 back on the X13 there last week and they say 590A/590C still. Plank Lane stop had them.
The flags in Warwickshire and Staffordshire tend to show poor quality like these from my experience, compared to the ones in the West Mids.
Quote from: 2206 on January 27, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
No they haven't.
I caught 7517 and 6947 back on the X13 there last week and they say 590A/590C still. Plank Lane stop had them.
The flags in Warwickshire and Staffordshire tend to show poor quality like these from my experience, compared to the ones in the West Mids.
Not a flag but Stand SB at Birmingham International (the one where the X1 to Coventry and X12 to Solihull) stop has old service numbers on the wall to 73, 555, 676, 966.
A few years ago SA (X1 to Birmingham) at Birmingham International also used to have old route numbers on the wall but they've been removed from that one for a while now.
Quote from: DJ on January 27, 2022, 12:09:15 AM
On the topic of bus stops, I wonder how many old stop flags still survive?
There are some old ones between Solihull and Coventry - the first two in the TfWM area, the third in Warwickshire: -
- On the B4102 approaching Meriden from Solihull, just after Heath Farm, there is an old West Midlands stop bearing the route numbers 192 and 194. Although on Johnsons X20 route, this stop seems to be out of use and isn't listed as a stop on the TfWM website.
- On the A452 in Balsall Common (northbound), just before Gipsy Lane, is a bus stop with a Heart of England Services sticker (from the 1980s). This is still used by Johnsons 87 towards Solihull.
- On Hodgetts Lane (northbound) in Burton Green, just after turning from Cromwell Lane, is a bus stop also with a Heart of England sticker and bearing very old route numbers 24, 34 and 44 (from late 1970s/early 1980s WMPTE days). Again this is still used by Johnsons 87 towards Solihull. At least one other stop in Burton Green still mentions the 192 or 194.
It's probably worth saying here that when WMPTE was a bus operator, it managed bus stops on virtually all of its routes - so WMPTE stops could be seen in places such as Cannock, Hednesford, Lichfield, Bedworth and, of course, Burton Green (most which was in fact in Solihull from 1974 until the 1990s). I think West Midlands Travel continued this general policy, but it largely stopped (with a few exceptions) when Centro/Network WM took over control of bus stops in its area.
Between Maypole and Wythall on the Alcester road, a number of stops are old TWM ones. The TWM name are now covered by Worcestershire county council stickers but a couple of the stops have the stickers peeling off showing the TWM stop from the old 50A days.
I noticed today google maps and bus times seem to show a bus stop on Smorrall Lane in a location where one doesn't actually exist. The next one shown further up outside a function room does exist though.
A bit like how they show a bus stop on Hurst Lane North that doesn't actually exist as well.
Flag at the Edencroft stop on the X21/X22 route has been replaced with a "temporary stop" flag for some reason. Guessing an error somewhere there.
Speaking of temporary stops, whos job is it to install new stops? As the temp stops on Woodcock Lane still haven't been done. Though, I don't see the point of one of them as the existing 'Woodcock School' flag even says "both directions' on it.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 21, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
Flag at the Edencroft stop on the X21/X22 route has been replaced with a "temporary stop" flag for some reason. Guessing an error somewhere there.
A perfectly good flag wouldn't be replaced with a 'temporary stop' one "in error". Maybe it was damaged, or snapped off in the wind?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 21, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
Speaking of temporary stops, whos job is it to install new stops? As the temp stops on Woodcock Lane still haven't been done. Though, I don't see the point of one of them as the existing 'Woodcock School' flag even says "both directions' on it.
Installation of bus stops is down to TfWM in conjunction with local councils.
I wonder if there is an ambition to move away from "both directions" stops though. I noticed a while back that the Hollie Lucas Road stop on Wheelers Lane (on the 76 route) used to have one pole with a flag showing 'and opposite', now there are poles on either side of the road. Perhaps it is clearer for waiting passengers and drivers?
Quote from: Stu on February 21, 2022, 06:51:37 PM
A perfectly good flag wouldn't be replaced with a 'temporary stop' one "in error". Maybe it was damaged, or snapped off in the wind?
Installation of bus stops is down to TfWM in conjunction with local councils.
I wonder if there is an ambition to move away from "both directions" stops though. I noticed a while back that the Hollie Lucas Road stop on Wheelers Lane (on the 76 route) used to have one pole with a flag showing 'and opposite', now there are poles on either side of the road. Perhaps it is clearer for waiting passengers and drivers?
Yeah, probably. It has been quite windy lately!
To be honest Im not a fan of the 'and opposite' flags either, I just thought it would be a waste of time doing both possibly.
I see the temporary bus stop on George Road has finally been removed since the work at the top of Bath Row has been completed. Bus stop there now for 80/X21/X22.
Is the bus stop on Bath Row for Five Ways Station going to be corrected at some point? As it still shows 80 only.
Also noticed that a flag has finally been put down next to the temporary bus stop poster on Woodcock Lane (inbound) but nothing yet the other way.
Still not recognised on the NSA though.
The board showing where to catch your bus on Priory Queensway just before the X21/X22/61/63 stop is full of old numbers 98, X64, 952, 55, X70. Some of the information on there is nearly 5 years out of date.
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2022, 11:08:56 PMThe board showing where to catch your bus on Priory Queensway just before the X21/X22/61/63 stop is full of old numbers 98, X64, 952, 55, X70. Some of the information on there is nearly 5 years out of date.
The one on Moor Street Queensway by Primark is well out of date too.
Until about 3 years ago, the timetable on Stourbridge Road near the Penn Cottage steakhouse in Staffordshire had timetables 10 years out of date!
Yeah, some of the bus stops outside the West Midlands County area are like stepping back in time.
Coleshill bus stop flags prominently display Central Connect's route 75 on them, with a smattering of 590A/C still kicking about (someone has been around and bunged "X13" on a few of the stops!)
In Hurley, they're still advertising the 717/757/767/777 when those services must've been finished for 10-15 years.
Over in Burton Green, the first flag on Hodgetts Lane has 24/34/44 on it, which I believe someone in here told me was from the 80s.
In Nuneaton, even though either the council or Stagecoach have been around and changed most of the flags (with the numbers not in numerical order!), the B4112 Ansley Road south of Grove Farm still has flags for the 17, which stopped running a while ago.
There's an old West Midlands Travel stop flag (above the more recent Staffordshire County Council flag) on the lamp post in Planks Lane Wombourne near the Giggety Lane canal bridge.
The bus shelter at the Fulham Road stop on Stoney Lane, Sparkhill was destroyed over the weekend, presumably after some vehicle crash, spotted it all crumpled up yesterday morning.
Looks like it has been removed and isn't going to be replaced, the holes have been tarmaced over, and there's a new temporary stop in a concrete filled tub instead.
It's a shame really as it was only replaced a while back, having previously been an older yellow/green shelter.
Noticed today there's a old stratford blue flag on Farmer Ward Road at the rear of Kenilworth Station. Doesn't appear to be in use today.
135 Farmer Ward Rd - Google Maps (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3433989,-1.5713863,3a,15y,308.98h,91.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shR7azhkLp5tGwigwATk7Fg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Looks like the 'TfWM Tinkerers' are already at work replacing bus stop flags.
Travelling home along Stoney Lane in Sparkhill this evening, as well as having the 34 removed from them, an opportunity has been taken to 'rename' a couple of the stops, which is going to mean that NX are going to have to change their next stop announcements on the 2 and 3 to avoid passenger confusion.
The Fulham Road stops have now been changed to 'Brunswick Road', while the Clifton Road stop is now 'Chesterton Road'.
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2022, 08:17:08 PMLooks like the 'TfWM Tinkerers' are already at work replacing bus stop flags.
Travelling home along Stoney Lane in Sparkhill this evening, as well as having the 34 removed from them, an opportunity has been taken to 'rename' a couple of the stops, which is going to mean that NX are going to have to change their next stop announcements on the 2 and 3 to avoid passenger confusion.
The Fulham Road stops have now been changed to 'Brunswick Road', while the Clifton Road stop is now 'Chesterton Road'.
At least they aren't running up to six weeks behind like they were on the last major reshuffle. I remember the new 96 around here not getting onto the flags for weeks.
Quote from: ellspurs on December 19, 2022, 08:41:08 PMAt least they aren't running up to six weeks behind like they were on the last major reshuffle. I remember the new 96 around here not getting onto the flags for weeks.
They still have flag poles for the old coventry 60 route up in tile hill
Anymore 'new stop flags' spotted have many been changed with only a few days til the changes?
In Peel Street (Market Square) Wolverhampton, timetables dated 4 December 2022 have been put up despite only a few weeks until new timetables come into place.
QuoteAnymore 'new stop flags' spotted have many been changed with only a few days til the changes?
Acocks Green has gained A15 / A16 flags
32 / 58 flags removed
Quote from: BBS on December 24, 2022, 04:57:34 PMAcocks Green has gained A15 / A16 flags
32 / 58 flags removed
I caught 1804 from Yardley to Solihull earlier and back again this evening. And a lot of the new flags enroute show 58 A16. I'm not sure how this happens, but a lot of these flags will need changing again now.
Perhaps they should just keep the 58 number. Which at least is the established Yardley - Lyndon - Solihull number for over 10 years and people are used to.
Even though it might have made slightly more sense years ago, when there was similar numbered services 957 etc.
Considering the 957, it would also have sort of made sense 58/X2 to Yardley Swan and perhaps 73 as well sharing a stop in Solihull rather than with the 4.
QuoteI caught 1804 from Yardley to Solihull earlier and back again this evening. And a lot of the new flags enroute show 58 A16. I'm not sure how this happens, but a lot of these flags will need changing again now.
Perhaps they should just keep the 58 number. Which at least is the established Yardley - Lyndon - Solihull number for over 10 years and people are used to.
Even though it might have made slightly more sense years ago, when there was similar numbered services 957 etc.
Considering the 957, it would also have sort of made sense 58/X2 to Yardley Swan and perhaps 73 as well sharing a stop in Solihull rather than with the 4.
In the Olton area there are 58 flags that have been removed not sure whats happening if their including 58 with the new A16 / 15
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2022, 06:22:14 PMI caught 1804 from Yardley to Solihull earlier and back again this evening. And a lot of the new flags enroute show 58 A16. I'm not sure how this happens, but a lot of these flags will need changing again now.
Perhaps they should just keep the 58 number. Which at least is the established Yardley - Lyndon - Solihull number for over 10 years and people are used to.
Even though it might have made slightly more sense years ago, when there was similar numbered services 957 etc.
Considering the 957, it would also have sort of made sense 58/X2 to Yardley Swan and perhaps 73 as well sharing a stop in Solihull rather than with the 4.
Unless it's been delayed, there's some stop changes occurring in Solihull too
Slightly off topic but....
Does TfWm own all bus shelters within its area?
Those of you who frequent Reedswood Retail Park in Walsall, may have noticed the plastic window panels are broken, leaving the the panel with the timetable case rather dangerously hanging off, so I've reported it on Twitter.
The reply was along the lines of 'We don't own it, Contact Sainsburys or Retail Park management instead, but we've forwarded your report to our Assets teams, just in case we have a contact at the site!'
Quote from: Westy on January 03, 2023, 04:59:04 PMSlightly off topic but....
Does TfWm own all bus shelters within its area?
Those of you who frequent Reedswood Retail Park in Walsall, may have noticed the plastic window panels are broken, leaving the the panel with the timetable case rather dangerously hanging off, so I've reported it on Twitter.
The reply was along the lines of 'We don't own it, Contact Sainsburys or Retail Park management instead, but we've forwarded your report to our Assets teams, just in case we have a contact at the site!'
I guess it explains why the shelter appears to be non standard.
Walsall, England - Google Maps (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Sainsburys/@52.5964062,-1.9992012,3a,15y,221.72h,86.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skw-_ribQk0q2qqsjI-6ClA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x487098adeb0ebe15:0xede120c6feec15b8!2sReedswood+Retail+Park!8m2!3d52.5957862!4d-2.0021592!3m4!1s0x487098ad91b92367:0x278212b4e696fcff!8m2!3d52.5963046!4d-1.9993577)
Yes, most bus stops and shelters are owned by TfWM. However as noted above those on retail parks etc may not.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 03, 2023, 05:42:44 PMYes, most bus stops and shelters are owned by TfWM. However as noted above those on retail parks etc may not.
But they still have to update the timetable posters when needed though!
Quote from: Westy on January 03, 2023, 09:52:31 PMBut they still have to update the timetable posters when needed though!
They should.....but that isn't always the case. It may be a case of TfWM needing permission to attend to the bus shelters or its up to the site owners to keep info up to date.
Quote from: Stu on December 06, 2022, 06:38:06 PMThe bus shelter at the Fulham Road stop on Stoney Lane, Sparkhill was destroyed over the weekend, presumably after some vehicle crash, spotted it all crumpled up yesterday morning.
Looks like it has been removed and isn't going to be replaced, the holes have been tarmaced over, and there's a new temporary stop in a concrete filled tub instead.
It's a shame really as it was only replaced a while back, having previously been an older yellow/green shelter.
The shelter has now reappeared since early last week.
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2022, 08:17:08 PMLooks like the 'TfWM Tinkerers' are already at work replacing bus stop flags.
Travelling home along Stoney Lane in Sparkhill this evening, as well as having the 34 removed from them, an opportunity has been taken to 'rename' a couple of the stops, which is going to mean that NX are going to have to change their next stop announcements on the 2 and 3 to avoid passenger confusion.
The Fulham Road stops have now been changed to 'Brunswick Road', while the Clifton Road stop is now 'Chesterton Road'.
Whilst out and about on Sunday, I noticed that flags on Vicarage Road in Kings Heath have been replaced, however while the 46 has now been added, the 69 is still listed.
Bus stop flags along Diamonds 5/17/17A/57 route seems have been removed
226 is missing off a few flags too and 226A hasn't been added on the flags
Just noticed on the totem for stop BS8 there's an 'X21 to Maypole' in 5 mins. That's one hell of a journey!
In fact its now showing on bustimes too lol
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 28, 2023, 06:34:49 PMBus stop flags along Diamonds 5/17/17A/57 route seems have been removed
226 is missing off a few flags too and 226A hasn't been added on the flags
The new timetables dated 3rd January 2023 for the 17 have been put up but only with the evening and Sunday service! (Reported this to TfWM),
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 30, 2023, 05:33:53 PMThe new timetables dated 3rd January 2023 for the 17 have been put up but only with the evening and Sunday service! (Reported this to TfWM),
They've done the same with some of stops on the 96 route, they only show evening and night journeys
It could be worse... the Salt Road bus flag at Webbs Garden Centre, Wychbold, still says that it serves Birmingham. I'm pretty sure only the 144a used to go in there so wouldn't have served Birmingham in the first place.
While travelling through Bearwood this afternoon, I noticed some bus stop flags along the 'High Street' (Bearwood Road), make reference to a 5 service, anyone have any idea what this is as I can't find anything online?
All of the Old Walsall Road stops still have 46 on the flags and not bothered being changed.
Quote from: Stu on February 03, 2023, 10:48:43 PMWhile travelling through Bearwood this afternoon, I noticed some bus stop flags along the 'High Street' (Bearwood Road), make reference to a 5 service, anyone have any idea what this is as I can't find anything online?
This is possibly the erstwhile 450 service which I believe was replaced by the 48A when the bus services in and around Sandwell were renumbered.
The new timetables for service 2 in Russell's Hall Estate dated January 2023 have the timetable for service 2A included which was withdrawn at the end of last year.
Some Bus stops in coventry still have the number 1 on that was changed at the start of the year and some still have timetables witch doesn't have bus services on it
Finally got the a9 flags around shard end
In Balsall Common today, service 89 bus stops leading out of the centre north on the a452. That service got withdrew at the start of the year didn't it?
Quote from: ellspurs on March 01, 2023, 07:16:06 PMIn Balsall Common today, service 89 bus stops leading out of the centre north on the a452. That service got withdrew at the start of the year didn't it?
Yes they still haven't changed the flags in a lot of places.
Quote from: 2206 on March 01, 2023, 08:03:51 PMYes they still haven't changed the flags in a lot of places.
Anyone know how much it costs to change a flag? Bet TfWM need a wedge of dosh for each route change?
Quote from: Sandy Lane on March 03, 2023, 05:41:35 PMAnyone know how much it costs to change a flag? Bet TfWM need a wedge of dosh for each route change?
No, because operators are charged
Quote from: Tony on March 03, 2023, 06:09:44 PMNo, because operators are charged
Would this be the case with tendered routes also?
During the West Mids bus strike will the RTI screens only show the services that will be running? (at bus stops lucky enough to have RTI screens).
Quote from: Sandy Lane on March 19, 2023, 12:37:42 PMDuring the West Mids bus strike will the RTI screens only show the services that will be running? (at bus stops lucky enough to have RTI screens).
If programmed into the database. My own feeling is that the information won't be correct due to uncertainty over how many buses will be on the road.
I know that when Arriva were out on strike in Wakefield, the screens in the bus stations were showing their departures as cancelled (i.e same as railway practice) rather than not showing at all.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 05, 2023, 09:59:44 PMThis is possibly the erstwhile 450 service which I believe was replaced by the 48A when the bus services in and around Sandwell were renumbered.
No, not that. 450 was replaced by a 53.
Currently, every stop along the route of the 22 (Bearwood to Oldbury) also shows a timetable, installed for the January 2023 changes, for a service 5 - identical route, times and operator .... which simply does not exist.
Does anyone know which bus used to serve Chelveston Crescent? The bus stop marking on the road made me wonder?
1 Chelveston Cres - Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.4001155,-1.7859142,3a,75y,256.3h,86.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sca98pc5O1q79vD-Lep5mbg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I know at present A9/169 go down the main road past it. But nothing down there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.403387,-1.78654,3a,31.4y,262.03h,88.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfbYBJDlu4nS9zTclLOi10w!2e0!5s20080801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
There's a bus stop flag further up the road that says "Caves Buses" on it, so possibly something like the 173 to Illshaw Heath or 175 to Inkford Brook?
The totem at BS8 still showing the X21 shorts to Weoley Castle as "Maypole". The TFWM app says the same too.
Quote from: 2206 on March 01, 2023, 08:03:51 PMYes they still haven't changed the flags in a lot of places.
This one still hasn't been changed as of Saturday.
Theres still flags for the old coventry 360/C
There's a WMT flag in Tower Street Wolverhampton which is now on the wrong side of the road (the top of the street is one way in the opposite direction). It dates back at least 10 years if not more.
Upon sampling the recently amended NXC 20 service I spotted a WMT flag on Marston Lane, Bedworth opposite the junction of Furnace Road displaying a rather large arrow pointing towards Furnace Road, it's purpose seemingly was to assist new drivers during that era when the 20/50 service operated the clockwise loop. Google Street View link (https://goo.gl/maps/Me2fZrXTomEGVG3i9)
Question about 'Bus Stop' marked out area on roads in residential streets please. There are 2 flagged stops on William Bristow Rd Coventry that don't have these markings on the road and so cars park on the pavement right at these stops. To get the driver to see you you have to walk into the road between the cars to put your hand out and then step back as the bus arrives. Not come across this before.
Surely if the road was marked out the cars wouldn't park there and it would be alot safer.
Are there other stops like this?
You can look around the local area to William Bristow Road and see that there are other stopped without the road markings.
The X12 by Smith's Wood Academy on Windward Road didn't gain the markings on the road until the road got resurfaced back in 2021/2022, even though a stop has been there since the times the 73 used to go up there in the late 80s.
Might be something they only do when resurfacing/repainting a road, or they need to get things signed off in order to get it done.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 25, 2023, 04:50:10 PMQuestion about 'Bus Stop' marked out area on roads in residential streets please. There are 2 flagged stops on William Bristow Rd Coventry that don't have these markings on the road and so cars park on the pavement right at these stops. To get the driver to see you you have to walk into the road between the cars to put your hand out and then step back as the bus arrives. Not come across this before.
Surely if the road was marked out the cars wouldn't park there and it would be alot safer.
Are there other stops like this?
Quote from: ellspurs on April 25, 2023, 04:58:20 PMYou can look around the local area to William Bristow Road and see that there are other stopped without the road markings.
Yes, there is certainly many more in Cheylesmore and Stivichall, all the current stops on The Chesils, Dillotford Avenue, Charminster Drive and Postbridge Road I think - roads which didn't have a bus service prior to deregulation, presumably nobody willing to foot the costs/legal processes etc. since.
Thks for the replies.
If someone gets injured I bet those markings will be painted on the road overnight!
Is this a TfWM problem or the local council?
Don't know what Diamond drivers on the 40 playing at today 5th May. Went to my local stop and I moved to edge of the path so the
driver of the 11.50 to Wednesbury and instead of stopping drove past the stop.
Quote from: Ginger66 on May 05, 2023, 01:56:48 PMDon't know what Diamond drivers on the 40 playing at today 5th May. Went to my local stop and I moved to edge of the path so the
driver of the 11.50 to Wednesbury and instead of stopping drove past the stop.
What do you mean by "moved to the edge of the path".
Surely the best way and most common way to signal that you want the bus is to put your arm out?
Kenilworth Road, Stoneleigh Road which I think is the second from last stop on the route in the TFWM area. Has only the X17 on the flag not the CV 11 as it should do. The 11 is continuing to serve this stop.
Quote from: 2206 on May 23, 2023, 06:31:51 PMKenilworth Road, Stoneleigh Road which I think is the second from last stop on the route in the TFWM area. Has only the X17 on the flag not the CV 11 as it should do. The 11 is continuing to serve this stop.
Bustimes map data is showing two south-west bound stops at this location, X17 is tagged to the 'correct' stop (https://bustimes.org/stops/43001063002), but 11 has been tagged to the other 'phantom' stop (https://bustimes.org/stops/43000064103).
The Scott Arms stop on Newton Road ib still shows '5, 16A, 424' should say '5, 16'
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 25, 2023, 04:50:10 PMQuestion about 'Bus Stop' marked out area on roads in residential streets please. There are 2 flagged stops on William Bristow Rd Coventry that don't have these markings on the road and so cars park on the pavement right at these stops. To get the driver to see you you have to walk into the road between the cars to put your hand out and then step back as the bus arrives. Not come across this before.
Surely if the road was marked out the cars wouldn't park there and it would be alot safer.
Are there other stops like this?
Ruler 243 of the Highway Code covers this:
The Highway Code - Waiting and parking (238 to 252) - Guidance - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252)
Whether or not it is marked on the road:
DO NOT stop or park......- at or near a bus or tram stop or taxi rank
This is an issue on Diamond 57 service around Nordley and Hickman areas of Wednesfield at designated stops where there is a marked permit bay for residents on the bus stop so buses cannot stop at the kerb if required, along Graiseley Lane, Victoria Road and other parts of the route.
I've been meaning to post this, but it looks like the more "specialised" stops are starting to be rebranded to the current branding, replacing the old network west midlands branding.
Quote from: mesub on November 24, 2023, 07:11:19 PMI've been meaning to post this, but it looks like the more "specialised" stops are starting to be rebranded to the current branding, replacing the old network west midlands branding.
What do you mean by 'specialised'? :huh:
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 25, 2023, 07:11:17 PMThks for the replies.
If someone gets injured I bet those markings will be painted on the road overnight!
Is this a TfWM problem or the local council?
Not sure but I would imagine it's the council who are responsible (stop flags and some shelters in the West Midlands are a TfWM responsibility I think).
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 25, 2023, 04:50:10 PMQuestion about 'Bus Stop' marked out area on roads in residential streets please. There are 2 flagged stops on William Bristow Rd Coventry that don't have these markings on the road and so cars park on the pavement right at these stops. To get the driver to see you you have to walk into the road between the cars to put your hand out and then step back as the bus arrives. Not come across this before.
Surely if the road was marked out the cars wouldn't park there and it would be alot safer.
Are there other stops like this?
On the Penn Road towards Wolves, the bus stop is positioned at a parking bay for the shops. Most of the time buses have to stop in the main road (A449). Further up near the Mount pub several years ago a bus lay by was installed. However the lay-by isn't wide enough and buses block part of the busy road.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 24, 2023, 09:49:58 PMOn the Penn Road towards Wolves, the bus stop is positioned at a parking bay for the shops. Most of the time buses have to stop in the main road (A449). Further up near the Mount pub several years ago a bus lay by was installed. However the lay-by isn't wide enough and buses block part of the busy road.
Just yesterday I found another Coventry stop without the yellow road markings. This is the Dorchester Way stop close to the hospital - a new shelter has been put up bit further on from where it used to be.
So here's the question. As the road is not marked as a bus stop and there are no double yellow lines can you in theory park your car there and not get a ticket? It could offer free parking for a few cars instead of paying for the expensive hospital car park.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on November 25, 2023, 06:20:13 PMJust yesterday I found another Coventry stop without the yellow road markings. This is the Dorchester Way stop close to the hospital - a new shelter has been put up bit further on from where it used to be.
So here's the question. As the road is not marked as a bus stop and there are no double yellow lines can you in theory park your car there and not get a ticket? It could offer free parking for a few cars instead of paying for the expensive hospital car park.
If this stop is on Dorchester Way, then the whole road has "Resident Permit" parking on it, which limits you to an hour in a marked bay, and no parking on any of the side roads.
If it is the stop on Clifford Bridge Road labelled Dorchester Way on Google maps, it is on an Urban Clearway so you cannot stop.
Around hospitals, if you're allowed to park there then 15 other people will already be there.
Quote from: Stu on November 24, 2023, 07:19:59 PMWhat do you mean by 'specialised'? :huh:
The bus
stops that have Real Time information built into them, and so the flag is actually a display (like here (https://maps.app.goo.gl/zDhzDfsov5edQUWs7)).
Quote from: ellspurs on November 25, 2023, 06:55:24 PMIf this stop is on Dorchester Way, then the whole road has "Resident Permit" parking on it, which limits you to an hour in a marked bay, and no parking on any of the side roads.
If it is the stop on Clifford Bridge Road labelled Dorchester Way on Google maps, it is on an Urban Clearway so you cannot stop.
Around hospitals, if you're allowed to park there then 15 other people will already be there.
It's the CBR stop. I reckon the urban clearway signage has now gone - when the cycleway was put in. That's why I was thinking you may be able to park at the stop without getting a ticket? Worth checking out if driving along there next week.
For all intent and purpose I think it is still an Urban Clearway. I remember seeing the sign heading up towards the hospital from Tesco when I was last down there.
Parking has been restricted on there since 2004; I wouldn't recommend parking along there.
QuoteWhat do you mean by 'specialised'? :huh:
Just realised that the attachment didn't upload!
If this doesn't work then I think there's a bug with uploading attachments on mobile devices:
Hopped onto the computer so this should work:
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Quote from: mesub on November 27, 2023, 07:34:08 PMHopped onto the computer so this should work:
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If they're updating them then I hope they're making sure they actually work. The one on Windward Way/Woodpecker Grove hasn't worked for years.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 27, 2023, 08:03:11 PMIf they're updating them then I hope they're making sure they actually work. The one on Windward Way/Woodpecker Grove hasn't worked for years.
Has it ever been reported to TfWM?
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2023, 08:19:20 PMHas it ever been reported to TfWM?
I gave up after the third time they said "something'll be done about it" and nothing happened.
This was when it was network West Midlands.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 27, 2023, 08:20:56 PMI gave up after the third time they said "something'll be done about it" and nothing happened.
This was when it was network West Midlands.
Agreed, I refuse to report stuff now, never gets fixed. I reported shelter lights out of use way back in 2018 and those still haven't been fixed.
You're better off moaning a lot before something gets done.
Does anyone know the reason why the bus stop on Thimblemill Road opposite William Road has been removed?
Superfluous to requirements?
It measures 350 metres between the bus stops at Hales Lane and Thimblemill Cemetery. The stop at William Road falls between them. Having less actual bus stops speeds up the services. They've done this in the past on the Bristol Road and (possibly) the Coventry Road.
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 18, 2023, 08:30:12 AMDoes anyone know the reason why the bus stop on Thimblemill Road opposite William Road has been removed?
Damaged in an accident?
Quote from: ellspurs on December 18, 2023, 04:22:33 PMSuperfluous to requirements?
It measures 350 metres between the bus stops at Hales Lane and Thimblemill Cemetery. The stop at William Road falls between them. Having less actual bus stops speeds up the services. They've done this in the past on the Bristol Road and (possibly) the Coventry Road.
Heard that it was removed so that they could replace a faulty lamppost
I see from the public reports pack of the next WMCA Transport meeting that showing journeys as cancelled on Real Time displays is progressing and should be live from "early spring".
It's rather unfortunate that the TFWM App won't support the showing of these cancellations, but each stop will have its own QR code for real time info via smartphone by later in the year.
I hope they are looking at how to display active diversions as well.
Quite a few bus stop changes in Birmingham city centre from 7th April. Mainly affecting Priory Queensway and Moor Street Queensway services and stops.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 27, 2023, 08:20:56 PMI gave up after the third time they said "something'll be done about it" and nothing happened.
This was when it was network West Midlands.
On this front, I went past there a couple of weeks ago, and the electronic stop had been removed, and replaced with a cone with a "temp bus stop" sign taped on it. Last week, this has been replaced with a standard flagpole, but still with the "temp bus stop" sign.
I'm very confused about a 'stop' in Wollaston on the 8. NXWM, google maps and bustimes lists 'Apley Road' as a bus stop, and its on the announcements. The stop flag is 'not in use' and has been since like 2020, with no timetable information there, and the drivers dont stop there when someone dings the bell. Is this supposed to be a stop on the 8 or not...?
Quote from: B7RLE on March 29, 2024, 10:03:13 PMI'm very confused about a 'stop' in Wollaston on the 8. NXWM, google maps and bustimes lists 'Apley Road' as a bus stop, and its on the announcements. The stop flag is 'not in use' and has been since like 2020, with no timetable information there, and the drivers dont stop there when someone dings the bell. Is this supposed to be a stop on the 8 or not...?
It would be have been changed by TfWM contractors presumably when the stop in the opposite direction was taken out of use. You should report it to TfWM although it could take a few weeks if they agree its a mistake. I know when the route of the 64 Penn circular was reversed, one stop was missed and it was three weeks before it was rectified.
Quote from: B7RLE on March 29, 2024, 10:03:13 PMI'm very confused about a 'stop' in Wollaston on the 8. NXWM, google maps and bustimes lists 'Apley Road' as a bus stop, and its on the announcements. The stop flag is 'not in use' and has been since like 2020, with no timetable information there, and the drivers dont stop there when someone dings the bell. Is this supposed to be a stop on the 8 or not...?
If it's any consolation the next stop on Vicarage Rd is no distance away, just 70 metres if you cut through the Sainsbury's local car park.
Just watched This Town and there was a shot outside the Diamond Banqueting Suite just off School Street in Wolverhampton and there was a bus stop which I have seen in real life what service went down there. Also the Bus Stop despite them renaming the Banqueting Suite to Villa Cross they didn't make the bus stop 80's themed it stuck out like a sore thumb as it was a Modern TFWM Red Stop
Where are these bus stops that were meant to be along bromford road for 64 service??
It took them over three months to install new stops on the 96 route when it had that drastic change of route either last year or the year before. So any time in the next 12 months, I guess?
The last bus stop towards Wolverhampton that the 79 serves is called Car Craft Car Craft hasn't been there for years, No point calling it Trade Centre as this is set to move to Bentley on the Old Showcase Cinema site, so this could be renamed Darlaston Road Woden Road West which is the road the 79 turns onto after Darlaston Road
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 12, 2024, 01:15:22 PMThe last bus stop towards Wolverhampton that the 79 serves is called Car Craft Car Craft hasn't been there for years, No point calling it Trade Centre as this is set to move to Bentley on the Old Showcase Cinema site, so this could be renamed Darlaston Road Woden Road West which is the road the 79 turns onto after Darlaston Road
There's probably quite a few like that, that have had to change over the years.
Some are probably still known by the old name locally, despite changing officially.
Wasn't there a famous one at Quinton, that WMT made a 'fuss' of at the time, because they were updating the timetable leaflets?
Hollybush to Jeffersons, I think it was?
Quote from: Westy on April 12, 2024, 03:26:29 PMThere's probably quite a few like that, that have had to change over the years.
Similar in Coventry.
Before they lifted and shifted overseas the HSBC bank had a suite of big offices in Coventry and the nearest stops (outwards & into town) are still called
HSBC today - quite meaningless today.
There seems to be no real local name nearby that could be used instead except for other businesses including a local bus/coach operator. So how about changing the stop names to
A-Line? It would make more sense to people locally.
Quote from: Sandy Lane on April 13, 2024, 09:28:36 AMSimilar in Coventry.
Before they lifted and shifted overseas the HSBC bank had a suite of big offices in Coventry and the nearest stops (outwards & into town) are still called HSBC today - quite meaningless today.
There seems to be no real local name nearby that could be used instead except for other businesses including a local bus/coach operator. So how about changing the stop names to A-Line? It would make more sense to people locally.
Then if A-Line disappears for any reason, the process starts again.
What about the street name, that should always be the priority for the stop?
I'm confused as to what stops is being talked about? I went on Google to Herald Way, Coventry (which is where A-Line is shown to be), and all the bus stops around it that are visible on Google Street view have street name/street name on them.
The stops are on Brandon Rd, Coventry
Use what 3 words = parts.then.bonus
Also note the entrance to the A-line depot is off the Brandon Rd not Herald Way.
Quote from: Westy on April 13, 2024, 11:28:04 AMThen if A-Line disappears for any reason, the process starts again.
What about the street name, that should always be the priority for the stop?
Exactly and that's my point!
Trouble is there is not much around that location to come up with a geographic name but suggestions always welcome.
1 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.399592,-1.4423699,3a,15.8y,300.23h,92.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj00nGafk7igRDJ0yqckipw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, Willenhall Way
2 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3996705,-1.4423695,3a,15y,114.72h,95.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb9mTAzwyHvH8lgVdaSRBBw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, Willenhall Way
3 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3981618,-1.4398686,3a,15y,347.62h,94.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjx2WRzWCFor2peZ_bfwzKA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, Herald Way
4 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3981554,-1.4398597,3a,37.6y,166.84h,95.35t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skgv--KTYHNxNkVtAGYtKmQ!2e0!5s20180901T000000!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, Herald Way (the 2021-2023 pictures show it as having no flagpole)
5 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3969774,-1.4370852,3a,18.1y,168.46h,92.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sws4-VuDUHa8OoIR2uCJx3A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dws4-VuDUHa8OoIR2uCJx3A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D116.369965%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, East By-Pass
6 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3966311,-1.4362064,3a,18.2y,65.58h,96.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snwpiIt3nG7b3prE-Trd9Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) Brandon Road, East By-Pass.
I looked at the timetables for the NXC services using those stops and there was no mention of HSBC.
Back in the day, pubs and official places were used as marking points for bus stops. I still remember the terminus for the Chelmsley Wood buses being the MEB, not Pine Square. On Meadway, I still refer to the Macadown Pub that has had a Lidl built on it, knocked down and rebuilt in the last 20 years. It does look like they are generally going for crossroad indicators for bus stops rather than using places that may not be there in the future.
The 23/24 now stop on Carrs Lane & outside the Square Peg. Why the need to have two stops so close together?
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 02:04:53 PMThe 23/24 now stop on Carrs Lane & outside the Square Peg. Why the need to have two stops so close together?
Carrs Lane is for Moor Street Station, the Square Peg is for the central shopping area, at a guess?
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 02:04:53 PMThe 23/24 now stop on Carrs Lane & outside the Square Peg. Why the need to have two stops so close together?
All the current Carrs Lane services do that, as did the previous Limited Stop services and no one complained until now.
Quote from: Jack on April 20, 2024, 09:31:33 PMAll the current Carrs Lane services do that, as did the previous Limited Stop services and no one complained until now.
I thought the 16/16a stopped at Carrs Lane & then stopped just after the 74 stop
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 10:24:02 PMI thought the 16/16a stopped at Carrs Lane & then stopped just after the 74 stop
Correct, but still it's not much of an issue really, both stops are popular so are needed.
Quote from: Jay71 on April 20, 2024, 02:04:53 PMThe 23/24 now stop on Carrs Lane & outside the Square Peg. Why the need to have two stops so close together?
Close together? Perhaps you might try pushing a wheelchair from one to the other through the roadworks then say they were close together
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2024, 09:31:06 AMClose together? Perhaps you might try pushing a wheelchair from one to the other through the roadworks then say they were close together
If you don't like the roadworks then complain about them.
Quote from: Jay71 on April 21, 2024, 09:38:49 AMIf you don't like the roadworks then complain about them.
Stupid reply.
I didn't say I didn't like them. Your the one making the initial complaint about bus stops being too close, but you appear to only want to complain about things. Carrs Lane to Square peg is not a close distance to some.
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2024, 10:19:50 AMStupid reply.
I didn't say I didn't like them. Your the one making the initial complaint about bus stops being too close, but you appear to only want to complain about things. Carrs Lane to Square peg is not a close distance to some.
Are you saying that every post that I do is complaining or moaning? If this is the case then you're wrong. I've done posts where I've said good things about Chaserider & Travel Express
TFWM made a smart decision putting the 2,3,4,4A,5 and 6 at one stop to terminate. Causes blockage, other buses not able to pass. Would've been better keeping where the 4 was and simply taken the Queensway route like the 45 does
Quote from: BBS on April 21, 2024, 05:06:31 PMTFWM made a smart decision putting the 2,3,4,4A,5 and 6 at one stop to terminate. Causes blockage, other buses not able to pass. Would've been better keeping where the 4 was and simply taken the Queensway route like the 45 does
No they didn't, they put them on two stops, actually in the space that there used to be 3 stops. Leaving the 4 where it was would have extended the running time needed, probably needing an extra bus or reduced frquency.
QuoteNo they didn't, they put them on two stops, actually in the space that there used to be 3 stops. Leaving the 4 where it was would have extended the running time needed, probably needing an extra bus or reduced frquency.
There's occasions where there's abandoned 6s causing blockages and only allowing 1 or 2 buses to stop at those stops
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2024, 05:31:09 PMNo they didn't, they put them on two stops, actually in the space that there used to be 3 stops. Leaving the 4 where it was would have extended the running time needed, probably needing an extra bus or reduced frquency.
Incorrect, there's always been two stops there.
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2024, 05:31:09 PMNo they didn't, they put them on two stops, actually in the space that there used to be 3 stops. Leaving the 4 where it was would have extended the running time needed, probably needing an extra bus or reduced frquency.
This past week I've seen about 4 buses fighting for that stop because of an abandoned YW bus. Another joke, should never have put them all at 1 stop when they could have utilised both stops there.
Should've put the 17/60, X1/X2 back there and put the Stratford Road services at their current stop. Would've made it a lot easier. The current X1/X2 stop is also a joke as that pavement is nowhere near wide enough for the volume of passengers and usual pedestrians, especially when the X1 is mainly always late!
QuoteThis past week I've seen about 4 buses fighting for that stop because of an abandoned YW bus. Another joke, should never have put them all at 1 stop when they could have utilised both stops there.
Should've put the 17/60, X1/X2 back there and put the Stratford Road services at their current stop. Would've made it a lot easier. The current X1/X2 stop is also a joke as that pavement is nowhere near wide enough for the volume of passengers and usual pedestrians, especially when the X1 is mainly always late!
X1/X2 where the 2/3 usually stopped, 60 at the same stop and 17 where X1 stops, and the separation where the 4 or 6 stops where the 87 and 16 used to stop
Quote from: BBS on April 21, 2024, 07:13:59 PMX1/X2 where the 2/3 usually stopped, 60 at the same stop and 17 where X1 stops, and the separation where the 4 or 6 stops where the 87 and 16 used to stop
Not completely but almost.I said I would of moved the Stratford Road services to where the current Cov Road services are on Moor Street, the bays a lot bigger, the bottom stop could of had the 4/4A/6 and the other have the 2/3/5.
Then the current stop the Stratford Road services share could have the 60/X1/X2 back and the 17 outside Primark again!
Quote from: BBS on April 21, 2024, 05:44:21 PMThere's occasions where there's abandoned 6s causing blockages and only allowing 1 or 2 buses to stop at those stops
Quote from: Jack on April 21, 2024, 07:09:26 PMThis past week I've seen about 4 buses fighting for that stop because of an abandoned YW bus. Another joke, should never have put them all at 1 stop when they could have utilised both stops there.
There are no 'abandoned' buses there, maybe one that has arrived early/ontime and has to then wait time before it can leave.
MS4 is now the designated stop for all the Stratford Road services, with MS3 being used as an 'overflow' or unload point.
From what I saw last weekend, when I was in Birmingham on the Saturday, both stops ARE being utilised, especially when more than one bus arrives at the same time due to delays caused by congestion in Digbeth.
Quote from: Jack on April 21, 2024, 07:09:26 PMShould've put the 17/60, X1/X2 back there and put the Stratford Road services at their current stop. Would've made it a lot easier. The current X1/X2 stop is also a joke as that pavement is nowhere near wide enough for the volume of passengers and usual pedestrians, especially when the X1 is mainly always late!
It might have made things 'easier' for you, but would be impracticable, having all those services using the one stop, as well as the Stratford Road ones.
Quote from: Stu on April 21, 2024, 07:33:12 PMThere are no 'abandoned' buses there, maybe one that has arrived early/ontime and has to then wait time before it can leave.
MS4 is now the designated stop for all the Stratford Road services, with MS3 being used as an 'overflow' or unload point.
From what I saw last weekend, when I was in Birmingham on the Saturday, both stops ARE being utilised, especially when more than one bus arrives at the same time due to delays caused by congestion in Digbeth.It might have made things 'easier' for you, but would be impracticable, having all those services using the one stop, as well as the Stratford Road ones.
Again, I didn't say all of those were to use one stop, there's 2 stops there at least the Cov Road buses would've been able to use both the stops instead of the mess that they've created there now!
QuoteThere are no 'abandoned' buses there, maybe one that has arrived early/ontime and has to then wait time before it can leave.
MS4 is now the designated stop for all the Stratford Road services, with MS3 being used as an 'overflow' or unload point.
From what I saw last weekend, when I was in Birmingham on the Saturday, both stops ARE being utilised, especially when more than one bus arrives at the same time due to delays caused by congestion in Digbeth.It might have made things 'easier' for you, but would be impracticable, having all those services using the one stop, as well as the Stratford Road ones.
There are buses always left there, but if they are waiting for their time to leave, the park street stands are perfect for those routes to do waits at
Quote from: Jack on April 21, 2024, 07:44:45 PMAgain, I didn't say all of those were to use one stop, there's 2 stops there at least the Cov Road buses would've been able to use both the stops instead of the mess that they've created there now!
Then you'd swap Coventry Road and Stratford Road issues, walking past that stop there is a lot of people waiting. MS17 isn't a good stop for any services - it doesn't help that it's a load/unload stop and when there is a driver missing it causes havoc.
Not sure why the Coventry Road services don't unload fully at the stop after the markets, change drivers there and then go to the next stop and start service there.
I've been in Dorset and Hampshire this week.
Is there any reason why their bus stop road markings (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.743871,-1.8689682,3a,90y,129.25h,60.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCay1SHlqC4hwY-V_itv5Kg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCay1SHlqC4hwY-V_itv5Kg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D288.86447%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) are so massive? I saw this on a side street, but they're pretty much the same sizes on main roads as well.
Quote from: ellspurs on May 03, 2024, 07:19:05 PMI've been in Dorset and Hampshire this week.
Is there any reason why their bus stop road markings (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.743871,-1.8689682,3a,90y,129.25h,60.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sCay1SHlqC4hwY-V_itv5Kg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DCay1SHlqC4hwY-V_itv5Kg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D288.86447%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) are so massive? I saw this on a side street, but they're pretty much the same sizes on main roads as well.
Maybe the length of the bus or maybe to allow two buses in
At Lichfield Bus Station Stand 7 it still mentions the old 10A Route which hasn't run to Lichfield in years and in fact doesn't exist anymore partly replaced by the Number 8 which also is referenced on the bus timetable just the Chaserider 60 and 62 service, do NX pay for these to be added or is it down to the local authority
Lichfield Bus Station is owned by Lichfield District Council. Operators pay departure charges to use it though it seems operators have to do their own signage and info.
Quote from: PhageyMcPhage on May 05, 2024, 10:02:50 PMLichfield Bus Station is owned by Lichfield District Council. Operators pay departure charges to use it though it seems operators have to do their own signage and info.
So NX are in charge of the old 10A and maybe providing the 8 Timetable
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 09:57:48 AMSo NX are in charge of the old 10A and maybe providing the 8 Timetable
Surely it would have been cheaper to put some sort of generic signage on the shelter itself?
Non service specific.
Quote from: Westy on May 06, 2024, 01:03:29 PMSurely it would have been cheaper to put some sort of generic signage on the shelter itself?
Non service specific.
I assume it was a Marketing effort but now it is outdated
One for Walsall 'experts'.
There's been 2 stops northbound at what is now Rycroft Street since the year dot, as far as Im concerned.
Until several years ago, the arrangement was one stop for the Blakenall services & the other for the Leamore services.
Nowadays, there is one stop for the 29, 31 & 32 & the other one for the X51.
Why change the arrangement? Surely the 31, 32 & x51 could still share a stop?