Services expected to change October 27th
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/west-dudley-consultation
When they mentioned staffordshire I instantly thought of the 54's withdrawal
What a bloody stupid idea. Merging the 2 with the 82. Watch reliabity fall over!!
Wouldn't the extended 8 encounter delays on the Birmingham new road making it unreliable?
I can see the 15 being operated by PN with B7s and the 8 potentially becoming platinum to match the X8 and operated by WN
The 2/A linking with the 82 isn't 2 2s (bushbury to warstones) and 2 (merry hill to Wolverhampton) going to be confusing ?
Well interesting ideas I suppose, but a passenger at Stourbridge for example see's 8 to Wolverhampton and climbs on board not realising that there is a quicker option with the 16.
I suppose it happens in other places, Dudley has various routes to Wolverhampton and it is your choice to determine which might be quickest.
Having two routes in wolves with the no.2 they haven't thought that through very well ::) ::)
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 22, 2019, 01:28:06 PM
What a bloody stupid idea. Merging the 2 with the 82. Watch reliabity fall over!!
That's exactly what I told them in the survey!
I suggested that they kept the current 15 & 16 route but instead of serving Wombourne and all the little villages, carry on up the A449. A separate service would cover a circular route round Wombourne, Swindon and would also serve Smestow.
I heard people discussing something on the radio this morning and someone commented "oh well silly season is upon us" and the more I think about it, the more that comment bears out.
To me the old saying, If it ain't broke don't try and fix it bears out here. The thought that came to my mind is, Its going to be a quiet summer, lets run a survey.
As for the proposals, I always think that the longer you make a route the more unreliable it is likely to become. This new 2/A/82 service may run ok during less busy periods, but imagine it on a busy evening with the usual traffic around Russells Hall Hospital & Pensnett or a busy pre Christmas Saturday around the Merry Hill Centre.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
I heard people discussing something on the radio this morning and someone commented "oh well silly season is upon us" and the more I think about it, the more that comment bears out.
To me the old saying, If it ain't broke don't try and fix it bears out here. The thought that came to my mind is, Its going to be a quiet summer, lets run a survey.
As for the proposals, I always think that the longer you make a route the more unreliable it is likely to become. This new 2/A/82 service may run ok during less busy periods, but imagine it on a busy evening with the usual traffic around Russells Hall Hospital & Pensnett or a busy pre Christmas Saturday around the Merry Hill Centre.
The same could be said for the 8 extension. Also, the merging of the 2/82 brings new connections to Russell's Hall for people in Bilston and Roseville. Really, I don't see the point as New Cross is nearer so why would people there need a bus to Russell's Hall?
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on July 22, 2019, 06:59:33 PM
The same could be said for the 8 extension. Also, the merging of the 2/82 brings new connections to Russell's Hall for people in Bilston and Roseville. Really, I don't see the point as New Cross is nearer so why would people there need a bus to Russell's Hall?
But people that live in the Dudley area there assigned to Russel hall hospital
But if I was nx maybe cut the 8 short to Stourbridge , I've have caught an 8 ( when it was x96)from merry hill and when the 126 went to wolvo and it took around 45 mins In total and that was with a 5 mins wait in Dudley for the 126 it's takes a lot faster then the 15 , and will be abit faster then the 16 from Stourbridge
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
I heard people discussing something on the radio this morning and someone commented "oh well silly season is upon us" and the more I think about it, the more that comment bears out.
To me the old saying, If it ain't broke don't try and fix it bears out here.
If that's the case how come the companies that are doing reviews like these, NX, Go South Coast, Arriva Liverpool are the ones where passenger numbers are rising, yet other big cities like London & Manchester are losing passengers
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
If that's the case how come the companies that are doing reviews like these, NX, Go South Coast, Arriva Liverpool are the ones where passenger numbers are rising, yet other big cities like London & Manchester are losing passengers
But these major changes in my opinion aren't needed to accommodate rising passenger numbers. Also, they could increase journey times, cause reliability and punctuality issues and result is passenger numbers falling.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2019, 08:30:08 PM
If that's the case how come the companies that are doing reviews like these, NX, Go South Coast, Arriva Liverpool are the ones where passenger numbers are rising, yet other big cities like London & Manchester are losing passengers
To me, from the buses I see, i don't see evidence of passenger numbers increasing much.
From where I live now, the 7 service has lost quite a number of passengers, buses that used to run nearly full are now only around 50% full, the 28 seems to be doing well although I can't vouch for the portion of the route between Merry Hill and Halesowen and the new 10A/C is a joke with buses running round virtually empty.
Good idea bringing back a Wombourne local bus calling at Sainsburys, & a bus to pool house must be over 30 years since they withdraw the old 552, maybe a good idea to run a service down the main Road at peak times like they used to.
More bad news for SW Wolverhampton?
With Penn Road set to loose a bus per hour with the proposed changes to N15/6, is the same fate awaiting Warstones Road, Merry Hill and Bradmore, when the N4 is extended to Pool House Road, with frequency cut from 20 to 30 mins?
The Dudley West consultation notes do not make it clear if frequencies are to change on this route, only assurance the current route will not be altered. But I don't see how a 20 min frequency between i54 and Spring Hill can then operate with a bus "extended" every 30 mins to Pool House Road? Unless the entire route operates every 30 mins, which would mean the PVR is the same.
Sorry but the way they have worded this consultation is so confusing.
For instance it says "There would be no change to the 15 between Merry Hill, Kingswinford and Wall Heath. However it would no longer serve Wolverhampton." Ok so that makes it sound like the service is just going to run between Merry Hill and Wallheath,
However then it says "Between Kingswinford and Dudley the 15 would run every 20 minutes instead of every 30 minutes." plus it then says "The new 15 would run every 20 minutes to link Dudley and Wrens Nest. It would then continue to Gornal Wood, Stickley, Wall Heath and Kingswinford. Buses would run along Eve Lane in both directions."
So can anyone answer where the 15 is supposed to be going cos i can't work it out!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Sorry but the way they have worded this consultation is so confusing.
For instance it says "There would be no change to the 15 between Merry Hill, Kingswinford and Wall Heath. However it would no longer serve Wolverhampton." Ok so that makes it sound like the service is just going to run between Merry Hill and Wallheath,
However then it says "Between Kingswinford and Dudley the 15 would run every 20 minutes instead of every 30 minutes." plus it then says "The new 15 would run every 20 minutes to link Dudley and Wrens Nest. It would then continue to Gornal Wood, Stickley, Wall Heath and Kingswinford. Buses would run along Eve Lane in both directions."
So can anyone answer where the 15 is supposed to be going cos i can't work it out!
The 15 will be taking over the 17 between Kingswinford and Dudley and I presume it will extend to wrens nest and it will serve eve Hill both ways and it will run at a 20 minute frequency
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 01:38:08 PM
Sorry but the way they have worded this consultation is so confusing.
For instance it says "There would be no change to the 15 between Merry Hill, Kingswinford and Wall Heath. However it would no longer serve Wolverhampton." Ok so that makes it sound like the service is just going to run between Merry Hill and Wallheath,
However then it says "Between Kingswinford and Dudley the 15 would run every 20 minutes instead of every 30 minutes." plus it then says "The new 15 would run every 20 minutes to link Dudley and Wrens Nest. It would then continue to Gornal Wood, Stickley, Wall Heath and Kingswinford. Buses would run along Eve Lane in both directions."
So can anyone answer where the 15 is supposed to be going cos i can't work it out!
The 15 is proposed to be merged with the current 17. The 15 will run from Merry Hill to Dudley via current 15 route to Kingswinford & via 17 route to Dudley via Upper/Lower Gornal etc.
Current 15 Merry Hill To Kingswinford see's a frequency cut from every 15 mins (with 15 shorts) to 20 every min.
Current 16/17 combined frequencies will see a frequency cut between Stourbridge & Kingswinford will see a frequency cut from every 15 mins to every 20mins.
Same with 15/16 combined frequencies along Penn Road cut from every 15 mins to every 20mins.
The only place that actually see's a frequency increase is Swindon & Hinksford via the new 16 (some of the most affluent parts in the area). They'll go from half hourly (current full 15) to every 20 mins new 16.
All the buses serving my end of Bromley Lane including Diamond 226 all terminate at Merry Hill & Dudley & duplicate many via points offering even less choice of destination. Stick to my car for all journeys me thinks....
Thanks
@Winston, that makes things a little more clearer.
Seems that NX are trying there own version of the 226.
Had a day out yesterday and happened to catch the 17 and 15 and both these routes seemed well used, especially the 15. Not sure all these plans are exactly needed.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:03:21 PM
Thanks @Winston, that makes things a little more clearer.
Seems that NX are trying there own version of the 226.
Had a day out yesterday and happened to catch the 17 and 15 and both these routes seemed well used, especially the 15. Not sure all these plans are exactly needed.
No one will catch the new NX 15 to Dudley, its goes the most long winded way possible. It's not designed to compete with Diamond's 226, I was merely pointing out that all the frequent services serving my end of Bromley Lane will all now go to largely the same place. Can't see the addition of Upper/Lower Gornal & potentially Wrens Nest doing anything for demand. It seems to be all about consolidating the number of routes/buses on the current 15/16 & 17 corridor.
sorry
@Winston , didn't express myself very well there.
What i meant to say was if you are in Merry Hill and you are going to Dudley and you jump on a 226, you aren't going to get there very quickly and it will be the same with the new 15 only worse.
Going to be the same in Stourbridge, how many people will see the 8 with Wolverhampton on the front and catch it, rather than the more direct 16 route.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
sorry @Winston , didn't express myself very well there.
What i meant to say was if you are in Merry Hill and you are going to Dudley and you jump on a 226, you aren't going to get there very quickly and it will be the same with the new 15 only worse.
Going to be the same in Stourbridge, how many people will see the 8 with Wolverhampton on the front and catch it, rather than the more direct 16 route.
The new 8 will be 60 mins to wolves whilst the 16 tAkes over an hour
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
sorry @Winston , didn't express myself very well there.
What i meant to say was if you are in Merry Hill and you are going to Dudley and you jump on a 226, you aren't going to get there very quickly and it will be the same with the new 15 only worse.
Going to be the same in Stourbridge, how many people will see the 8 with Wolverhampton on the front and catch it, rather than the more direct 16 route.
These new extensions aren't really aimed at end to end journey's, more intermediate journey's, but I agree a few intending passengers could be in for a long journey should they go be destinations displayed on the front of the bus.
Put simply, current route 17 will disappear as a sperate route, instead being consolidated in to the 15 / 16 changes with the addition of an extension of the 4 to Wombourne from Spring Hill.
Anyone from Stourbridge that wants Upper / Lower Gornal or Stickley will need to change from the 16 to the 15 at Kingswinford or Wall Heath.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 30, 2019, 02:22:35 PM
The new 8 will be 60 mins to wolves whilst the 16 tAkes over an hour
Am not sure about that, then again they don't give much idea of the route between Dudley and Wolverhampton only that it will go via Roseville.
Currently the 8 takes 35 minutes between Stourbridge and Dudley, given a few minutes for loading at Dudley, Wolverhampton to Dudley in 20 minutes is pushing it a bit!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
sorry @Winston , didn't express myself very well there.
What i meant to say was if you are in Merry Hill and you are going to Dudley and you jump on a 226, you aren't going to get there very quickly and it will be the same with the new 15 only worse.
Going to be the same in Stourbridge, how many people will see the 8 with Wolverhampton on the front and catch it, rather than the more direct 16 route.
It already happens in lots of places and it doesn't cause a major problem from what I've seen.
Though people do it, I've seen people taking the X12 all the way from Solihull and the Airport to Birmingham City Centre. When the X1 and X2 are much quicker.
X12 can take up to 2 hours from Solihull to Birmingham City Centre. But if people don't check before travelling they can hardly complain, its not anyone elces fault they decided to take the slow bus.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:33:55 PM
Am not sure about that, then again they don't give much idea of the route between Dudley and Wolverhampton only that it will go via Roseville.
It would take the same route as the X8.
Replacing the X8 shorts between Wolverhampton and Dudley that were introduced to maintain the 10 minute frequency when the X7 was withdrawn.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 30, 2019, 02:22:35 PM
The new 8 will be 60 mins to wolves whilst the 16 tAkes over an hour
Don't see how you can know that without a new timetable.
Quote from: wulfrun on July 30, 2019, 12:19:24 PM
More bad news for SW Wolverhampton?
With Penn Road set to loose a bus per hour with the proposed changes to N15/6, is the same fate awaiting Warstones Road, Merry Hill and Bradmore, when the N4 is extended to Pool House Road, with frequency cut from 20 to 30 mins?
The Dudley West consultation notes do not make it clear if frequencies are to change on this route, only assurance the current route will not be altered. But I don't see how a 20 min frequency between i54 and Spring Hill can then operate with a bus "extended" every 30 mins to Pool House Road? Unless the entire route operates every 30 mins, which would mean the PVR is the same.
The 3/4 are only currently every 20 minutes due to the half term timetable
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 30, 2019, 11:21:23 PM
The 3/4 are only currently every 20 minutes due to the half term timetable
Thanks for that, I knew something was a miss - the Summer timetable!
Quote from: wulfrun on July 31, 2019, 09:41:03 AM
Thanks for that, I knew something was a miss - the Summer timetable!
They do usually reduce the 3 & 4 to every 20 each during half term holidays.
I'd imagine it'll be every other bus extending to Wombourne, and every other one still terminating at Spring Hill.
Quote from: Nathan on July 31, 2019, 12:06:40 PM
They do usually reduce the 3 & 4 to every 20 each during half term holidays.
I'd imagine it'll be every other bus extending to Wombourne, and every other one still terminating at Spring Hill.
It looks like all buses will serve Wombourne.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on July 31, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
It looks like all buses will serve Wombourne.
The proposed Wombourne extension of the 4 was every 30 mins, therefore, it will be every other 4 as Nathan said.
Quote from: Nathan on July 31, 2019, 12:06:40 PM
They do usually reduce the 3 & 4 to every 20 each during half term holidays.
What exemption is in force to enable the operator to be exempt from having to submit a registration for the change in service frequency for the duration of the half term break?
Are changes exempt if they are applied for less 14 days and the days covered are public holidays or days when the majority of the population are on holiday?
Quote from: wulfrun on July 31, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
What exemption is in force to enable the operator to be exempt from having to submit a registration for the change in service frequency for the duration of the half term break?
Are changes exempt if they are applied for less 14 days and the days covered are public holidays or days when the majority of the population are on holiday?
There's no exemption, all the summer timetables reductions are registered.
Quote from: Winston on July 31, 2019, 08:15:13 PM
There's no exemption, all the summer timetables reductions are registered.
I get that Winston, the N3/4 application was made on 21 Jun 2019, to be effective from 21 July 2019.
But I don't see any registrations for changes made during half terms: e.g. 18 Feb 2019 - 22 Feb 2019, 27 May 2019 - 31 May 2019.
27th May was a Bank Holiday, so I assume changes to services for 27th are exempt from registration - being on the grounds the change is in force less than 14 days and is on a day that is a public holiday? Is that correct?
To go back to Nathan's comment about N3/4 services working a reduced frequency during Half Term - my question; what exemption does this service meet to enable the change to be applied without a registration, to operate the service at a reduced frequency over the Half Term?
Quote from: wulfrun on July 31, 2019, 11:57:45 PM
I get that Winston, the N3/4 application was made on 21 Jun 2019, to be effective from 21 July 2019.
But I don't see any registrations for changes made during half terms: e.g. 18 Feb 2019 - 22 Feb 2019, 27 May 2019 - 31 May 2019.
27th May was a Bank Holiday, so I assume changes to services for 27th are exempt from registration - being on the grounds the change is in force less than 14 days and is on a day that is a public holiday? Is that correct?
To go back to Nathan's comment about N3/4 services working a reduced frequency during Half Term - my question; what exemption does this service meet to enable the change to be applied without a registration, to operate the service at a reduced frequency over the Half Term?
Sorry missed that bit, no idea, never heard of a reduced frequency during other school holidays on a normal daytime service, only ever summer timetable reductions which are registered.
The 17 & Gornal are far more popular than I ever realized...... news of the petition to save it has made both the Hereford Times & Worcester News:
https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/regional/17824672.petition-launched-save-gornal-bus-route-axe/
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/regional/17824670.petition-launched-save-gornal-bus-route-axe/
Quote from: Winston on August 10, 2019, 03:30:03 AM
The 17 & Gornal are far more popular than I ever realized...... news of the petition to save it has made both the Hereford Times & Worcester News:
https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/regional/17824672.petition-launched-save-gornal-bus-route-axe/
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/regional/17824670.petition-launched-save-gornal-bus-route-axe/
They are articles that are copied from their sister publication the Dudley News (Dudley, Halesowen and Stourbridge News being part of the same group as other two Newsquest titles linked to).
Very easy to do with Wordpress. It just has a RSS feed pick up which copies articles from one site into another.
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 10, 2019, 03:47:42 AM
They are articles that are copied from their sister publication the Dudley News (Dudley, Halesowen and Stourbridge News being part of the same group as other two Newsquest titles linked to).
Very easy to do with Wordpress. It just has a RSS feed pick up which copies articles from one site into another.
Yes I know - but you'd have thought that someone might have picked it up prior to going to print/publishing and removed on the basis of what relevance is this to people in these areas / from our sister publications....
Well done David Stanley and Anne Millward for getting something organised. It's a lot more than the Wordsley and Kingswinford councillors have done despite all nine of them being contacted by local voters with objections to the proposals.
Incidentally, the claim by NXWM that Russells Hall Hospital will get more buses is a lie - all they are proposing is to merge the 2/2A with the 82 meaning that Russells Hall will see the same number of buses.
Quote from: Roy on August 10, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Well done David Stanley and Anne Millward for getting something organised. It's a lot more than the Wordsley and Kingswinford councillors have done despite all nine of them being contacted by local voters with objections to the proposals.
Incidentally, the claim by NXWM that Russells Hall Hospital will get more buses is a lie - all they are proposing is to merge the 2/2A with the 82 meaning that Russells Hall will see the same number of buses.
Yes but look at the past, the people of Wallheath had a petition and calling in the papers because the 205 was to terminate at Kingswinford, so NX change there minds and then nobody catches the buses.
A lot of people will sign a petition even if they have no intention of ever catching a bus.
Quote from: Roy on August 10, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Well done David Stanley and Anne Millward for getting something organised. It's a lot more than the Wordsley and Kingswinford councillors have done despite all nine of them being contacted by local voters with objections to the proposals.
Incidentally, the claim by NXWM that Russells Hall Hospital will get more buses is a lie - all they are proposing is to merge the 2/2A with the 82 meaning that Russells Hall will see the same number of buses.
That was original my point. It's marketed as improvements / frequency increases / more links etc, but when you look at the bigger picture, it's not so positive.....
The 15 & 15 shorts / 16 / 17 become the just the 15 & 16 with a short extention to the 4.
Quote from: Winston on August 10, 2019, 02:36:53 PM
That was original my point. It's marketed as improvements / frequency increases / more links etc, but when you look at the bigger picture, it's not so positive.....
The 15 & 15 shorts / 16 / 17 become the just the 15 & 16 with a short extention to the 4.
Plus the fact that Swindon passengers get more buses than ever, when really the number of passengers that travel from there aren't that great. Surely it would be better for one number 16 to go Main Road from Wallheath to Wolverhampton missing Swindon and Wombourne, making the journey time quicker and therefore more attractive.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2019, 02:57:23 PM
Plus the fact that Swindon passengers get more buses than ever, when really the number of passengers that travel from there aren't that great. Surely it would be better for one number 16 to go Main Road from Wallheath to Wolverhampton missing Swindon and Wombourne, making the journey time quicker and therefore more attractive.
Yep increased frequency for low bus use / affluent areas (i.e Swindon & Hinksford) that were previously cut due to low usage, which resulted in the current 15 short journeys.
The locals are on the war path.... lol
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/13/campaigners-queuing-up-to-show-anger-at-bus-service-shake-up/
Quote from: Winston on August 14, 2019, 12:05:33 AM
The locals are on the war path.... lol
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/13/campaigners-queuing-up-to-show-anger-at-bus-service-shake-up/
And half of them don't
Even use the buses
Quote from: Winston on August 14, 2019, 12:05:33 AM
The locals are on the war path.... lol
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/13/campaigners-queuing-up-to-show-anger-at-bus-service-shake-up/
Again, I fail to see the need for a petition at this stage while these changes are still up for consultation.
TAKE PART IN THE CONSULTATION AND COMPLETE THE SURVEY!
I bet most of these people rarely use the bus anyway.
I seem to recall some kind of 'anger' from passengers at changes elsewhere in Dudley a couple of years ago - NX gave in and amended a service to suit them, then withdrew it a few months later due to 'lack of use'.
Quote from: Stu on August 14, 2019, 07:47:22 AM
Again, I fail to see the need for a petition at this stage while these changes are still up for consultation.
TAKE PART IN THE CONSULTATION AND COMPLETE THE SURVEY!
Probably because they know that regardless of what they say in the 'consultation' NX will go ahead with these suggestions anyway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 14, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
Probably because they know that regardless of what they say in the 'consultation' NX will go ahead with these suggestions anyway.
The survey finished last Friday so there is no point trying to get them to stop the changes
Quote from: BH2004 on August 14, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
The survey finished last Friday so there is no point trying to get them to stop the changes
Of course there is, the changes are still 'proposals' at the moment & haven't been registered with TC yet.
Quote from: BH2004 on August 14, 2019, 11:06:39 AM
The survey finished last Friday so there is no point trying to get them to stop the changes
Knowing who "them" are would be a good starting point, obviously knowing who your local councillors responsible for transport and MP is easy to find out.
Having read the points in the article, I know for a fact that my elderly parents, a number of their immediate neighbours, and local friends, have taken to not using the 17 route because it frequently does not turn up or run even remotely to time - this is a route that they have previously used regularly to get to Dudley, Kingswinford, Wordsley, and Stourbridge.
I wonder if there has been any analysis of time-keeping on routes that there have been plans to scrap where patronage appears to have fallen.
Quote from: Winston on August 14, 2019, 11:11:45 AM
Of course there is, the changes are still 'proposals' at the moment & haven't been registered with TC yet.
My memories of certain TFL decisions do make you think, are NX going the same way.
I remember when TFL wanted to withdraw the 13 route between Golders Green and Aldwych. Boris Johnson, then mayor of London, visited Golders Green and spoke to the Conservative MP there and sure enough the route was saved.
However after the 2017 general election and a New Mayor of London was installed, TFL revisited the proposals, but they said they realised how much people loved the 13, so renumbered the 82 route, 13.
NX just have to be careful and make sure they do listen to peoples points of view
On my first read of the consultation, the one that struck me was joining the 82 and the 2/2A. I have had to visit Russells Hall Hospital for tests around 4 times lately and on each occasion at least one 2/2A has been delayed. Am sorry but the 2/2A issn't a route that should be messed with!!
The consultation has been reopened although the final date for the consultation seems to have been left open - presumably until enough people agree with the proposals.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/16/we-are-aware-of-concerns-national-express-vow-over-planned-route-changes/
Reading the comments from Ali Bell (based in Birmingham), it appears that their minds are made up and no amount of objections will stop the changes to the 15/16/17.
Incidentally, has anybody else noticed on the map that the new 15 is showing as operating directly from Bromley Lane to Kingswinford Cross via Stream Road and Standhills Road. They can't possibly claim that the service is not used in The Portway or Standhills Road.
Quote from: Roy on August 16, 2019, 12:19:41 PM
The consultation has been reopened although the final date for the consultation seems to have been left open - presumably until enough people agree with the proposals.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/16/we-are-aware-of-concerns-national-express-vow-over-planned-route-changes/
Reading the comments from Ali Bell (based in Birmingham), it appears that their minds are made up and no amount of objections will stop the changes to the 15/16/17.
Incidentally, has anybody else noticed on the map that the new 15 is showing as operating directly from Bromley Lane to Kingswinford Cross via Stream Road and Standhills Road. They can't possibly claim that the service is not used in The Portway or Standhills Road.
The survey states there will no change to the route 15 between wall heath and Merry hill so the maps a mistake
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 16, 2019, 12:25:21 PM
The survey states there will no change to the route 15 between wall heath and Merry hill so the maps a mistake
So you have two sections of the same document giving conflicting information. Only one of these is correct and nobody has confirmed which one it is, so perhaps NXWM should amend the section that is wrong.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/16/we-are-aware-of-concerns-national-express-vow-over-planned-route-changes/
Wolves councillor now moaning about the changes
Wonder if there will be a trade between PN and WN with 15 going to PN whilst the 8 goes to WN and potentially gets platinums?
Are these changes going through and routes registered, or are they on hold / postponed for the time being ?
Anyone heard any updates on the proposed West Dudley service changes?
If they're proceeding on the 27th October as suggested, NX are leaving it a tad late to register them with the TC & inform passengers.
Quote from: Winston on October 03, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Anyone heard any updates on the proposed West Dudley service changes?
If they're proceeding on the 27th October as suggested, NX are leaving it a tad late to register them with the TC & inform passengers.
I was told that they've been postponed until 2020.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 03, 2019, 12:56:02 PM
I was told that they've been postponed until 2020.
Ta!
Hopefully they're re-thinking some of the proposed service changes and will inform passengers very soon...
Quote from: Winston on October 03, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Ta!
Hopefully they're re-thinking some of the proposed service changes and will inform passengers very soon...
Yeah, I don't think combing the 2 and 82 would work personally. The 82 isn't the most reliable in my experience, although I don't use the 2 enough to comment on that side.
Quote from: Winston on October 03, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
Ta!
Hopefully they're re-thinking some of the proposed service changes and will inform passengers very soon...
According to Staffordshire Council NX have moved the changes to Jan 2020
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 03, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
According to Staffordshire Council NX have moved the changes to Jan 2020
Maybe NX could also inform their passengers.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 03, 2019, 06:27:21 PM
Yeah, I don't think combing the 2 and 82 would work personally. The 82 isn't the most reliable in my experience, although I don't use the 2 enough to comment on that side.
The 2 is equally unreliable & travel's through various traffic bottlenecks & narrow estate roads with parking issues.
Quote from: Winston on October 03, 2019, 06:33:11 PM
Maybe NX could also inform their passengers.
The 2 is equally unreliable & travel's through various traffic bottlenecks & narrow estate roads with parking issues.
These changes are due at the end of January. That said the routes I know that are going ahead are the 8 to Wolverhampton to replace the short X8 journeys, and the 15 will probably replace the 17 between Kingswinford and Gornal and the 8 from Wrens Nest to Dudley. The route that the 15 will most probably follow from Gornal to the 8 route will be the 27.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on October 29, 2019, 03:00:38 PM
These changes are due at the end of January. That said the routes I know that are going ahead are the 8 to Wolverhampton to replace the short X8 journeys, and the 15 will probably replace the 17 between Kingswinford and Gornal and the 8 from Wrens Nest to Dudley. The route that the 15 will most probably follow from Gornal to the 8 route will be the 27.
Is the 4 still being extended to Wombourne replacing the 15 in Wombourne ?
Quote from: BH2004 on October 29, 2019, 03:19:22 PM
Is the 4 still being extended to Wombourne replacing the 15 in Wombourne ?
I am not sure about that, but if the 15 is definitely going to do the 17 and 8 services to Dudley then the 4 will probably be extended.
Another month on, have we any idea when or if these changes are going ahead and when.
The 2/2A now seems to be double decker operated, I presume this is in readiness for the merger with the 82.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 25, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
Another month on, have we any idea when or if these changes are going ahead and when.
The 2/2A now seems to be double decker operated, I presume this is in readiness for the merger with the 82.
It's happening January 2020
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 25, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
Another month on, have we any idea when or if these changes are going ahead and when.
The 2/2A now seems to be double decker operated, I presume this is in readiness for the merger with the 82.
2/2A stopping at pn not merging
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 25, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
Another month on, have we any idea when or if these changes are going ahead and when.
The 2/2A now seems to be double decker operated, I presume this is in readiness for the merger with the 82.
I'd hazard a guess that's more to do with the 8** E200's now being preoccupied on the 5, 17A, 28 & 10A/C?
Quote from: Nathan on November 25, 2019, 05:41:30 PM
I'd hazard a guess that's more to do with the 8** E200's now being preoccupied on the 5, 17A, 28 & 10A/C?
and emittion trapping
Is the rest of the consultation going ahead i.e the 15/17 merging at Kingswinford and potentially going to PN as the 8 is suppose to go from Wolverhampton to Wollaston Farm
Quote from: karl724223 on November 25, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
2/2A stopping at pn not merging
Thats good news, could have seen problems, especially during rush hour if the services had merged.
Will NX be announcing the changes soon and have the new routes / extensions been registered as yet ?
Quote from: TT90 on December 05, 2019, 08:43:53 AM
Will NX be announcing the changes soon and have the new routes / extensions been registered as yet ?
Hopefully, they'll of had a re-think on a lot of previous proposed changes.....
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 10:04:05 AM
Hopefully, they'll of had a re-think on a lot of previous proposed changes.....
I doubt it very much. The last time I spoke to NX they said most of the changes will be going ahead. The one most problamtic is my local one of the 8. As in it current form I can't see how extending it to Wolverhampton will actually help with running late. I just can't see if it's running late from Wollaston how it will then have enough recovery time at Wolverhampton to turn round for the return. BUT as usual NX have made their minds up and they going ahead with it. As for the other changes I up for the 2/2A going to Wolverhampton as long as it would be numbered 2A only as there's already a 2 in Wolvo.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
I doubt it very much. The last time I spoke to NX they said most of the changes will be going ahead. The one most problamtic is my local one of the 8. As in it current form I can't see how extending it to Wolverhampton will actually help with running late. I just can't see if it's running late from Wollaston how it will then have enough recovery time at Wolverhampton to turn round for the return. BUT as usual NX have made their minds up and they going ahead with it. As for the other changes I up for the 2/2A going to Wolverhampton as long as it would be numbered 2A only as there's already a 2 in Wolvo.
The 2 being extended to Wolves is more a daft proposal than extending the 8, especially with the amount of congestion around Brierley Hill / Pensnett & RHH + plus all the badly parked cars around the Pensnett estates & Russell's Hall Hospital (which seems to have worse recently).
I'm more interested in the merger of the 15, 16 & 17 in to just two services.
2/2A not going
8 going to wolves stupid idea buses will run late with buses being turned at DUdley and merry hill.
Stourbridge and Wollaston will suffer badly
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
The 2 being extended to Wolves is more a daft proposal than extending the 8, especially with the amount of congestion around Brierley Hill / Pensnett & RHH + plus all the badly parked cars around the Pensnett estates & Russell's Hall Hospital (which seems to have worse recently).
I'm more interested in the merger of the 15, 16 & 17 in to just two services.
All I can say is the above. So I can't coment on if the 2 was a draft proposal. All I know is what I sad above, last time I spoke with the network planners at NX it was said that all would be going ahead. So I can only say that. Whether that's correct or if you're right I don't know.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 05, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
2/2A not going
8 going to wolves stupid idea buses will run late with buses being turned at DUdley and merry hill.
Stourbridge and Wollaston will suffer badly
Generally with current levels of traffic, Pensnett & surrounding areas are already grid locked at peak times + plus you have the added problem on Merry Hill traffic, it's a bonkers idea to even consider merging two routes in to one & any one living around here would agree.
Plus there's even more houses being built around Pensnett garage & a new housing estate proposed on Ketley Quarry, so even more cars will be on the road, the road infrastructure already can't cope.
Quote from: karl724223 on December 05, 2019, 10:37:51 AM
2/2A not going
8 going to wolves stupid idea buses will run late with buses being turned at DUdley and merry hill.
Stourbridge and Wollaston will suffer badly
Do you work for the network planners at NX? If you do I'll take your word for it. If you don't though I'm still going with I know. Sorry if that sounds like I'm being rude but I can't be sure if anything on here is correct or absolutely rubbish so to speak.
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 10:47:19 AM
Generally with current levels of traffic, Pensnett & surrounding areas are already grid locked at peak times + plus you have the added problem on Merry Hill traffic, it's a bonkers idea to even consider merging two routes in to one & any one living around here would agree.
Plus there's even more houses being built around Pensnett garage & a new housing estate proposed on Ketley Quarry, so even more cars will be on the road, the road infrastructure already can't cope.
I understand that but does the network planners in NX understand that. All they think about is making life difficult for existing passengers. Also I don't think they travel on the network that often and when they think of these changes they don't take traffic into account.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Do you work for the network planners at NX? If you do I'll take your word for it. If you don't though I'm still going with I know. Sorry if that sounds like I'm being rude but I can't be sure if anything on here is correct or absolutely rubbish so to speak.
Karl works at NXWM Pensnett garage, so his info is likely to be more up to date than yours.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 10:57:16 AM
I understand that but does the network planners in NX understand that. All they think about is making life difficult for existing passengers. Also I don't think they travel on the network that often and when they think of these changes they don't take traffic into account.
If the Network Planners don't know the area, I'd like to think Pensnett garage would be actively engaging with Network Planners to steer them away from pushing through such a daft move. It will be Pensnett Garage's reliability, lost mileage & other KPI's that will be impacted operationally.
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 11:00:14 AM
Karl works at NXWM Pensnett garage, so his info is likely to be more up to date than yours.
How do you know they keep the garage staff or whatever Karl does up to date, as I know someone who works there and he has trouble getting timetable information before the actual changes come into effect.
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 11:04:31 AM
If the Network Planners don't know the area, I'd like to think Pensnett garage would be actively engaging with Network Planners to steer them away from pushing through such a daft move. It will be Pensnett Garage's reliability, lost mileage & other KPI's that will be impacted operationally.
I understand that but do they actually listen?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
How do you know they keep the garage staff or whatever Karl does up to date, as I know someone who works there and he has trouble getting timetable information before the actual changes come into effect.
Because the garages will be operating the altered services & will need advanced notice to work up driving duties etc extra buses may be required, extra drivers may need to be moved in etc - can't leave everything to the last minute.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 11:09:27 AM
I understand that but do they actually listen?
You tell us if you have a mate in NX network planning.
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 11:37:32 AM
You tell us if you have a mate in NX network planning.
I do and I'd rather keep him as anonymous. As I don't know if he waht his name plastered all over this forum. I understand he may already be on here but still I'd rather keep him anonymous.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 11:47:49 AM
I do and I'd rather keep him as anonymous. As I don't know if he waht his name plastered all over this forum. I understand he may already be on here but still I'd rather keep him anonymous.
I'm not interested in his name, identities of staff are NOT to be made public on the forum.
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
I'm not interested in his name, identities of staff are NOT to be made public on the forum.
That's a good rule to have. I wouldn't thought you could give the first name if you want but obviously not.
I am not in the closet and at a meeting I attended with NXWM management on the 22nd October NXWM route planners were in the final stages of planning and were due to submit them to TfWM for their final comments I am not allowed to say yet specifically that is market sensitive information to be announced in due course by NXWM but other than the odd tweek most of the proposals are going forward I did point out the photo in a local paper of "bus passengers in rage" with a local MP had a half dozen twirlies who live in the same road as my partners mum & would never be seen dead on a bus in their life funny that! Oh and NXWM do listen I can confirm that especially when you tell them the proposals are a good idea! Mind you Winston why do I get the feeling my days may be numbered as Bus Champion with my forum comments at TfWM as my anonymous comments are sort of skewed by my user name I can't get anything right on this forum can I ?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
That's a good rule to have. I wouldn't thought you could give the first name if you want but obviously not.
No Names FULL STOP - We also don't need confirmation of your source of information / what department they work in etc - There's various senior management view this forum & you could well get your mate in bother!
The Forum Rules are here, No 15:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0
Quote from: Winston on December 05, 2019, 12:09:34 PM
No Names FULL STOP - We also don't need confirmation of your source of information / what department they work in etc - There's various senior management view this forum & you could well get your mate in bother!
The Forum Rules are here, No 15:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4859.0
That's it I get it now. Thanks Winston.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 05, 2019, 12:05:33 PM
I am not in the closet and at a meeting I attended with NXWM management on the 22nd October NXWM route planners were in the final stages of planning and were due to submit them to TfWM for their final comments I am not allowed to say yet specifically that is market sensitive information to be announced in due course by NXWM but other than the odd tweek most of the proposals are going forward I did point out the photo in a local paper of "bus passengers in rage" with a local MP had a half dozen twirlies who live in the same road as my partners mum & would never be seen dead on a bus in their life funny that! Oh and NXWM do listen I can confirm that especially when you tell them the proposals are a good idea! Mind you Winston why do I get the feeling my days may be numbered as Bus Champion with my forum comments at TfWM as my anonymous comments are sort of skewed by my user name I can't get anything right on this forum can I ?
It's strange but I was also in a meeting that included a NXWM manager on 22 October and, while I remember the cringeworthy ridiculing of the people who had the audacity to object to their bus service being removed, all the NXWM manager said was that, due to the number of responses, the changes to the network were still under investigation and any changes would not happen until January 2020 at the earliest. There was NO indication at all at the meeting on how much of the original proposal would be retained.
Quote from: Roy on December 05, 2019, 04:20:50 PM
It's strange but I was also in a meeting that included a NXWM manager on 22 October and, while I remember the cringeworthy ridiculing of the people who had the audacity to object to their bus service being removed, all the NXWM manager said was that, due to the number of responses, the changes to the network were still under investigation and any changes would not happen until January 2020 at the earliest. There was NO indication at all at the meeting on how much of the original proposal would be retained.
Yes that was me cringeworthy ridiculing as always at least everyone knows now I am the same in my professional life as I am on here bearing in mind some of the objectors I recognised in the photo I quoted were neighbours of my partners mum who never ever use the bus and I use the route in question and never see anyone board at the stops mentioned I am sure NXWM would love to see all the outraged on buses I rarely see anyone on but I agree Jan 2020 at the earlist for any final proposals but from the coversation i had my impression was as I said in my post that no major significant changes were expected from the extended period of consulation if I am wrong I am quite happy to be corrected. Have a very Happy Christmas to you & your family Roy & I look forward to seeing you in the New Year.
Quote from: Roy on December 05, 2019, 04:20:50 PM
It's strange but I was also in a meeting that included a NXWM manager on 22 October and, while I remember the cringeworthy ridiculing of the people who had the audacity to object to their bus service being removed, all the NXWM manager said was that, due to the number of responses, the changes to the network were still under investigation and any changes would not happen until January 2020 at the earliest. There was NO indication at all at the meeting on how much of the original proposal would be retained.
Exactly, and according to the NX website, the final details are still being worked on and therefore however desperate we are to know, we just have to sit and wait for the final proposals to appear.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 05, 2019, 05:13:39 PM
Exactly, and according to the NX website, the final details are still being worked on and therefore however desperate we are to know, we just have to sit and wait for the final proposals to appear.
I fully agree Stu but I still cant see it changing much from what I have heard from other sources mind you my life is scary enough at the Bus Champions meetings I attend I dont think anyone likes me but worse Ive just been asked to go to a photo event in Brum next week with the Borismaster at propoganda transport thingy hope they have stocked up on the garlic in Sainsburys Blackheath........... (Sorry Winston got this post totally wrong again ,.Apologies)
This is a refreshing thread.
What is the point of bringing a Borisbus to Birmingham? Apart from to demonstrate the current PM's ability to squander money during austerity on something extremely expensive, and really quite unnecessary whilst all around other social matters suffer. If you want to demonstrate how out of touch with reality this is, then a great idea - presuming it doesn't breakdown!!
I'm sure NXWM does listen to input on these consultations, but when operating a commercial company there's a fine dividing line between doing things for operational efficiency or customer satisfaction.....like riding a tight rope at the margins I'd guess.
Presumably, TfWM's budget cuts (whilst London got the unnecessary expensive things) contributes to reduction in subsidised services as well. I wonder if the distraction and tie up of resources doing this bus contributed to Wrightbus's subsequent misfortune.
Quote from: don on December 05, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
This is a refreshing thread.
What is the point of bringing a Borisbus to Birmingham? Apart from to demonstrate the current PM's ability to squander money during austerity on something extremely expensive, and really quite unnecessary whilst all around other social matters suffer. If you want to demonstrate how out of touch with reality this is, then a great idea - presuming it doesn't breakdown!!
I'm sure NXWM does listen to input on these consultations, but when operating a commercial company there's a fine dividing line between doing things for operational efficiency or customer satisfaction.....like riding a tight rope at the margins I'd guess.
Presumably, TfWM's budget cuts (whilst London got the unnecessary expensive things) contributes to reduction in subsidised services as well. I wonder if the distraction and tie up of resources doing this bus contributed to Wrightbus's subsequent misfortune.
With regards to NX listening to passengers who actually use the buses that there're changing. I have had meetings with people from NX and they don't listen to concerns. I've brought up on more times that I can remember that the 8 will not run to time as is currently doesn't now. Also if it doesn't run on time now how the hell will it when it extends to Wolvo (it'll be worse that ever). Not only that but the change will also mean a lot for the people who currently use it from for example Wrens Nest will loose a link to Merry Hill. I grant you that most are OAP loadings from there but there are also kids/young adults (which I fall into that category) that use it. Not only do I fall into that category I also fall into the vunrable adults category. So with what they are proposing, they don't care about people like that. I understand that it's for operational reasons why they decide these things but when theres quite a few people that will be affected then they should listen.
Quote from: don on December 05, 2019, 09:50:46 PM
This is a refreshing thread.
What is the point of bringing a Borisbus to Birmingham? Apart from to demonstrate the current PM's ability to squander money during austerity on something extremely expensive, and really quite unnecessary whilst all around other social matters suffer. If you want to demonstrate how out of touch with reality this is, then a great idea - presuming it doesn't breakdown!!
I'm sure NXWM does listen to input on these consultations, but when operating a commercial company there's a fine dividing line between doing things for operational efficiency or customer satisfaction.....like riding a tight rope at the margins I'd guess.
Presumably, TfWM's budget cuts (whilst London got the unnecessary expensive things) contributes to reduction in subsidised services as well. I wonder if the distraction and tie up of resources doing this bus contributed to Wrightbus's subsequent misfortune.
I was actually refering to the current Prime Minister untill this time next week I do not think there are any plans for him to bring a New Bus For London for the event after all he has had enough problems with battle buses I am also not aware of any WMCA budget cut unless others know different whilst tenders are procurred to the most financially viable option for council tax payers whats wrong with that?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 05, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
With regards to NX listening to passengers who actually use the buses that there're changing. I have had meetings with people from NX and they don't listen to concerns. I've brought up on more times that I can remember that the 8 will not run to time as is currently doesn't now. Also if it doesn't run on time now how the hell will it when it extends to Wolvo (it'll be worse that ever). Not only that but the change will also mean a lot for the people who currently use it from for example Wrens Nest will loose a link to Merry Hill. I grant you that most are OAP loadings from there but there are also kids/young adults (which I fall into that category) that use it. Not only do I fall into that category I also fall into the vunrable adults category. So with what they are proposing, they don't care about people like that. I understand that it's for operational reasons why they decide these things but when theres quite a few people that will be affected then they should listen.
Wrens Nest will not lose their link to Merry Hill. Although longer, the new 15 will be routed through Wrens Nest Estate, as will the 81 if the original proposals go through.
Quote from: Nathan on December 05, 2019, 10:50:44 PM
Wrens Nest will not lose their link to Merry Hill. Although longer, the new 15 will be routed through Wrens Nest Estate, as will the 81 if the original proposals go through.
What I meant to say is It'll loose its fast link with Merry Hill as the 8 only takes around 15 mins where as the 15 will take much longer. Also for people who work in Wrens Nest and currently only have to travel on 1 bus will now have to change onto a 2 bus which really will need to be timetabled to join up with the 8. It's all about money making schemes, which NX are always very good at making!! That's way I'm saying they do listen to actual customers who travel the route every day.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 08:06:59 AM
What I meant to say is It'll loose its fast link with Merry Hill as the 8 only takes around 15 mins where as the 15 will take much longer. Also for people who work in Wrens Nest and currently only have to travel on 1 bus will now have to change onto a 2 bus which really will need to be timetabled to join up with the 8. It's all about money making schemes, which NX are always very good at making!! That's way I'm saying they do listen to actual customers who travel the route every day.
It probably wouldn't have happened if buses were regulated (either franchise a la London or pre '86).
That's the problem with deregulation and capitalism. Bus companies think more about profit for shareholders than they do for passengers.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 08:06:59 AM
What I meant to say is It'll loose its fast link with Merry Hill as the 8 only takes around 15 mins where as the 15 will take much longer. Also for people who work in Wrens Nest and currently only have to travel on 1 bus will now have to change onto a 2 bus which really will need to be timetabled to join up with the 8. It's all about money making schemes, which NX are always very good at making!! That's way I'm saying they do listen to actual customers who travel the route every day.
I do often wonder when we hear of network reviews increasing passenger numbers, how much of this is actually existing passengers having to use 2 buses instead of 1.
Quote from: sonic84 on December 06, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
I do often wonder when we hear of network reviews increasing passenger numbers, how much of this is actually existing passengers having to use 2 buses instead of 1.
That doesn't increase revenue so not significant at all, for as many people made to change new links are made that reduce changes as well
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 06, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
It probably wouldn't have happened if buses were regulated (either franchise a la London or pre '86).
That's the problem with deregulation and capitalism. Bus companies think more about profit for shareholders than they do for passengers.
Let's see how many services are lost when Andy Burnham runs out of money in Manchester. Remember in London the companies are still making profits then you have the TfL costs on top, so it is actually more expensive
Quote from: sonic84 on December 06, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
I do often wonder when we hear of network reviews increasing passenger numbers, how much of this is actually existing passengers having to use 2 buses instead of 1.
You are so right
@sonic84. It would be great if all passengers could/would know the passenger numbers of the buses that NX propose to change before we make assumptions on with is good for a route and what isn't. Then if they still want to change it what the passenger numbers are like afterwards. But normal people in the street that comment on changes don't care what the aftereffects are for passengers who use the service everyday. Also not only that but its to do with the route Planners at NX.
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
That doesn't increase revenue so not significant at all, for as many people made to change new links are made that reduce changes as well
It must increase revenue in some way or anther otherwise they wouldn't consider changes! That said I understand they have to make new links but at what cost to passengers who use the service everyday.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
You are so right @sonic84. It would be great if all passengers could/would know the passenger numbers of the buses that NX propose to change before we make assumptions on with is good for a route and what isn't. Then if they still want to change it what the passenger numbers are like afterwards. But normal people in the street that comment on changes don't care what the aftereffects are for passengers who use the service everyday. Also not only that but its to do with the route Planners at NX.
It simple economics if a route is not meeting the required return on its profit margin it will be cut or revised, it puzzles me who are all the outraged residents around Kingswinford and why arent enough of them using the current network to sustain it. I heard no credible argument made at the last Bus Champions Meeting to sustain the exisiting network following Stourbridge College closure & Hospital Service Reorganisation. My own 13A was traditionally single decker operated every 20 minuets now its double decked every 30 mins outside the peaks as it the 12(0) its just simple economics.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
It must increase revenue in some way or anther otherwise they wouldn't consider changes! That said I understand they have to make new links but at what cost to passengers who use the service everyday.
People changing buses doesn't generally as a day saver is cheaper than two singles and pass holders pay the same
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2019, 01:48:31 PM
People changing buses doesn't generally as a day saver is cheaper than two singles and pass holders pay the same
Your right about paying but I will now have to pay twice when travelling to work everyday in staid of once. I have a disable pass which entitles me to travel before 9:30 for £1. OK I grant you that I now will have to pay £2 but its got to come from somewhere. I know it's not megfa bucks but it's still a pain if you change buses. It's a pain because you have to leave home earlier and pay twice instead of leaving at the same time as you do now and paying once.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 01:55:47 PM
Your right about paying but I will now have to pay twice when travelling to work everyday in staid of once. I have a disable pass which entitles me to travel before 9:30 for £1. OK I grant you that I now will have to pay £2 but its got to come from somewhere. I know it's not megfa bucks but it's still a pain if you change buses. It's a pain because you have to leave home earlier and pay twice instead of leaving at the same time as you do now and paying once.
Well if you travel to work every day buy a pre 0930 pass
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
Well if you travel to work every day buy a pre 0930 pass
Why would I pay more for a pass if I have a Concessionary pass which entitles me to buy the £1 fare.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 06, 2019, 03:33:47 PM
Why would I pay more for a pass if I have a Concessionary pass which entitles me to buy the £1 fare.
pre. 09:30 pass is for concessionary pass users that travel on multiple buses regularly before 09:30.
Say you have to catch 2 buses a day for 20 days in a month pre 09:30, with the £1 fare that costs £40.
But with pre 09:30 monthly direct debit it costs £30.50.
Quote from: sonic84 on December 06, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
I do often wonder when we hear of network reviews increasing passenger numbers, how much of this is actually existing passengers having to use 2 buses instead of 1.
They do also sometimes make improvements to routes as well.
For instance the introduction of the X20/X21/X22 between City Centre and the QE/Uni with increased capacity and frequency. As well as better links to Bartley Green/Woodgate on the X22 from the QE.
Also the 80 was doubled in frequency a few years back up to every 10 minutes.
Quote from: 2206 on December 06, 2019, 03:39:17 PM
pre. 09:30 pass is for concessionary pass users that travel on multiple buses regularly before 09:30.
Say you have to catch 2 buses a day for 20 days in a month pre 09:30, with the £1 fare that costs £40.
But with pre 09:30 monthly direct debit it costs £30.50. They do also sometimes make improvements to routes as well.
For instance the introduction of the X20/X21/X22 between City Centre and the QE/Uni with increased capacity and frequency. As well as better links to Bartley Green/Woodgate on the X22 from the QE.
Also the 80 was doubled in frequency a few years back up to every 10 minutes.
To be honest, that was probably the best thing to come out of the network review
Changes are now registered on VOSA.
They are happening on the 26th January.
Will WN need more Platinums for the 8 to Wollaston Farm? Maybe some of the YW Platinums when they come off the 6?
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
Changes are now registered on VOSA.
They are happening on the 26th January.
Do you have a link please ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 13, 2019, 10:23:38 PM
Do you have a link please ?
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541740/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541735/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541738/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541736/
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 10:25:19 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541740/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541735/
Thankyou for that
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
Changes are now registered on VOSA.
They are happening on the 26th January.
Will WN need more Platinums for the 8 to Wollaston Farm? Maybe some of the YW Platinums when they come off the 6?
My suggestion have them off the X8 and curiously when I posted the changes were going ahead
@Roy said I was mistaken it seems I was not funny that.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/531272/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541727/
A couple of others changing from that date. 17E and 57 look interesting...
Interesting...
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541744
11/11A to Merry Hill?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2019, 10:48:43 PM
Interesting...
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541744
11/11A to Merry Hill?
That would be a very interesting one , didn't the 311 use to go to Stourbridge till around 10 years ago ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 13, 2019, 10:55:01 PM
That would be a very interesting one , didn't the 311 use to go to Stourbridge till around 10 years ago ?
Yeah, with the 300/310 DIA going to MH. It got cut because of reliabilty issues due to the Burnt Tree and Castle Gate works IIRC
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/531272/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541727/
A couple of others changing from that date. 17E and 57 look interesting...
This is the 17E & 57 link, the above are for the 10, 10A & 10C:
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541729/
Looks to have been quite a few changes for original consultation proposals
It doesn't look as though the 4 is being extended from Spring Hill to Wombourne either
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541739/
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Yeah, with the 300/310 DIA going to MH. It got cut because of reliabilty issues due to the Burnt Tree and Castle Gate works IIRC
Yes I think I remember when the major roadworks at burnt tree was on
What's happening with the 4 it says it's being cut back to Wolverhampton what's replacing it between Wolverhampton and Spring Hill
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541739/
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
Changes are now registered on VOSA.
They are happening on the 26th January.
Will WN need more Platinums for the 8 to Wollaston Farm? Maybe some of the YW Platinums when they come off the 6?
@2206 The 8 would interwork with the X8 apparently. 6759-61 would be likely.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Yeah, with the 300/310 DIA going to MH. It got cut because of reliabilty issues due to the Burnt Tree and Castle Gate works IIRC
Diamond 300 & 310 were only withdrawn after funding from IKEA was withdrawn its was an odd one that even for The Birmingham Coach Company not sure if there was a flat pack Mk1 Leyland National.
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2019, 11:17:00 PM
@2206 The 8 will interwork with the X8 apparently. 6759-61 would be likely.
God help us in Blackheath NXWM has to be the worst bus company in the country with the X8 with its idiotic ideas I hope Tony is ready for me on the 26th Jan..........
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541736/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541735/
The 15 & 16 appear to be swapping via routes through Wombourne, but there's still the 3 individual routes 15 / 16 & 17.
i.e. 15 now via Himley & Wombourne
16 now via Swindon & Wombourne
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2019, 11:17:00 PM
@2206 The 8 would interwork with the X8 apparently. 6759-61 would be likely.
Thank goodness for the 228, 250 and 251 if I need to head to Corbetts from Stourbridge or merry hill to an appointment on time.
Quote from: Winston on December 13, 2019, 11:23:58 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541736/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541735/
The 15 & 16 appear to be swapping via routes through Wombourne, but there's still the 3 individual routes 15 / 16 & 17.
i.e. 15 now via Himley & Wombourne
16 now via Swindon & Wombourne
I thought that at first, i don't know what the current registrations read but... could Himley not just refer to the 15A? (I.e the details on the reg haven't been updated as per or it will remain serving there?)
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2019, 11:27:57 PM
I thought that at first, i don't know what the current registrations read but... could Himley not just refer to the 15A? (I.e the details on the reg haven't been updated as per or it will remain serving there?)
No, click on the previous registration for the 16 & you'll see they've been amended.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/522673/
Quote from: Winston on December 13, 2019, 11:29:29 PM
No, click on the previous registration for the 16 & you'll see they've been amended.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/522673/
Ah. Thanks for that Winston. Appreciated.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
Thank goodness for the 228, 250 and 251 if I need to head to Corbetts from Stourbridge or merry hill to an appointment on time.
Good old Diamond Bus what would you do without them.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 06, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
It probably wouldn't have happened if buses were regulated (either franchise a la London or pre '86).
That's the problem with deregulation and capitalism. Bus companies think more about profit for shareholders than they do for passengers.
After todays election result expect a step up of the quality partnerships across the Wesr Midlands.
Reading between the lines.
The 81 is cut back to Dudley, one of the 11 or 11A extended to Merry Hill... i assume those two changes are linked.
The WN4 not only appears to be not extending to Wombourne, but also cut back to run i54 to Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2019, 11:55:53 PM
Reading between the lines.
The WN4 not only appears to be not extending to Wombourne, but also cut back to run i54 to Wolverhampton.
If it is cut back to Wolverhampton what would replace it for the elderly that need to get to the city centre from Sping Hill
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2019, 11:55:53 PM
Reading between the lines.
The 81 is cut back to Dudley, one of the 11 or 11A extended to Merry Hill... i assume those two changes are linked.
The WN4 not only appears to be not extending to Wombourne, but also cut back to run i54 to Wolverhampton.
Yep, 11/11A will run over the current 81 route from Dudley to Merry Hill, with a 30 minute frequency over that part, so one 11 and one 11A an hour. The 4M will likely still be a quicker direct option from Walsall. I believe it was only done as the section of the 81 from Dudley to Merry Hill wouldn't be viable on its own.
Quote from: BH2004 on December 14, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
If it is cut back to Wolverhampton what would replace it for the elderly that need to get to the city centre from Sping Hill
From what a driver told me the other week, and i assumed he was just getting things mixed up with the original 4 extension proposal to Wombourne, the 15 may well operate between Wolverhampton and Spring Hill via the 4 route as opposed to Penn Road.
Quote from: BH2004 on December 14, 2019, 10:16:16 AM
If [N4] is cut back to Wolverhampton what would replace it for the elderly that need to get to the city centre from Sping Hill
Why just the elderly? You mean 32k who live in SW Wolverhampton - who NX Bus choose to ignore? ;D
They way it looks to me is that N15 is going to be routed out of Wolverhampton along the route of the existing N4 via Merry Hill (Wolverhampton) to Spring Hill, where the bus will then continue along A449 following current N16 via Himley to Wall Heath, then as current N15 to Merry Hill (Dudley). This will be the core 30 min frequency.
There will be additional fillers from Merry Hill (Dudley) to Wall Heath (Blaze Park) to make that part of the route 15 min Frequency during the daytime, along with additional fillers between Wolverhampton to Spring Hill to make that part of the route 15 min frequency.
The N15A will operate on Sundays as now, but via Merry Hill (Wolverhampton) instead of Penn Road.
The N16 will operate as current N15, via Penn Road, to Swindon, Hinksford and Wall Heath, then as current N16 to Stourbridge – as per Dudley West Review. Annoying in that this will extend journey times for this important corridor. Then there is the question of frequency. The review stated the new Stourbridge service would have a 20 min frequency, hope this is met, as N16 will be the only service along entire length of Penn Road. A corridor that once saw 6 buses per hour to Penn Terminus.
This then leaves the conundrum of Poolhouse estate - a large estate with no bus service through it. The review showed interest by extending every other N4 to terminate at Poolhouse Road via Millfields Way. So will there be further changes for both N15 and N16 navigating the Blackeley Estates?
More opportunity for the 11 / 11a to go missing on route.
Thank God I dont work over Wednesbury now!
Quote from: Westy on December 14, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
More opportunity for the 11 / 11a to go missing on route.
Thank God I dont work over Wednesbury now!
The 81 doesn't really have issues over that section as most of it is along back roads, still, I don't think it'll be an improvement, but I'll give it a chance.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 13, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
My suggestion have them off the X8 and curiously when I posted the changes were going ahead @Roy said I was mistaken it seems I was not funny that.
You really do like to distort the facts, don't you? If you look back to reply #94, you stated the following:-
"I am not in the closet and at a meeting I attended with NXWM management on the 22nd October NXWM route planners were in the final stages of planning and were due to submit them to TfWM for their final comments I am not allowed to say yet specifically that is market sensitive information to be announced in due course by NXWM but other than the odd tweek most of the proposals are going forward"
My reply #97 was:-
"It's strange but I was also in a meeting that included a NXWM manager on 22 October and, while I remember the cringeworthy ridiculing of the people who had the audacity to object to their bus service being removed, all the NXWM manager said was that, due to the number of responses, the changes to the network were still under investigation and any changes would not happen until January 2020 at the earliest. There was NO indication at all at the meeting on how much of the original proposal would be retained."
Looking at the registrations, I think that anybody on this forum with an IQ greater than 3 will admit that the finalised version is just a smidgeon more than the odd tweak.
Looking at the registrations some things stick out to me
Under the 17 registrations we have 2 new routes there
17E
57 - thinking of what
@wulfrun has thought of maybe the Wall Heath to Merry Hill shortens (potentially the 15/57/17 to be operated by Pensnett) with the 8 going to WN (thought where would the extra platinums come from?)
The 11/A extended to Merry Hill via the 81 route from Dudley renumbered to the 11M?
It's interesting that the 5 is shown as being cut back to operate Dudley to Kingswinford (Manor Park). I guess that the Stourbridge to Kingswinford section (the old 267) will be part of the 17/17A/17E/57 registration.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541725/
Quote from: Roy on December 14, 2019, 02:17:23 PM
You really do like to distort the facts, don't you? If you look back to reply #94, you stated the following:-
"I am not in the closet and at a meeting I attended with NXWM management on the 22nd October NXWM route planners were in the final stages of planning and were due to submit them to TfWM for their final comments I am not allowed to say yet specifically that is market sensitive information to be announced in due course by NXWM but other than the odd tweak most of the proposals are going forward
My reply #97 was:-
It's strange but I was also in a meeting that included a NXWM manager on 22 October and, while I remember the cringeworthy ridiculing of the people who had the audacity to object to their bus service being removed, all the NXWM manager said was that, due to the number of responses, the changes to the network were still under investigation and any changes would not happen until January 2020 at the earliest. There was NO indication at all at the meeting on how much of the original proposal would be retained."
Looking at the registrations, I think that anybody on this forum with an IQ greater than 3 will admit that the finalized version is just a smidgeon more than the odd tweak.
@Roy I dont follow the original proposals as far as I can see for the West Dudley Review are GOING AHEAD it hasn't been withdrawn albeit tweaked as I said so where is anything in my post that is incorrect & how have I distorted any facts when my perception of the meeting has in the end been proved correct unless I have missed something -Definition of Tweak:
"improve by making adjustments to it"
now you may think the perception that the changes proposed are understood by someone with an IQ of greater than 3 well I understand them the original proposals have been tweaked I stand by the definition of my original post unless you can prove otherwise and lets face it petty points scoring is a waste of time I personally would never dream of making any criticism of you in any manner I fully respect you and the comments you make at our meetings and fully value the contributions you make no matter how stupid they appear at times all I want is to work towards a better bus service for all. On the West Dudley review it is for others to decide if the planned proposals are suitable I do not use the network enough save the 8 & X8 interworking planned so I will leave it to others more suitably qualified to comment and decide.
Quote from: Roy on December 14, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
It's interesting that the 5 is shown as being cut back to operate Dudley to Kingswinford (Manor Park). I guess that the Stourbridge to Kingswinford section (the old 267) will be part of the 17/17A/17E/57 registration.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541725/
I quite enjoyed having the extend 5 but afternoon peaks have been affected if dudleys or Stourbridge has bad congestion
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 14, 2019, 09:09:32 PM
The 11/A extended to Merry Hill via the 81 route from Dudley renumbered to the 11M?
It wouldn't work, as it's one 11 and one 11A an hour extended. You'd need an 11M and an 11AM or something for that.
It looks like the 82 will not be changing at all. The 2/2A will be. see this reg for details.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541734/
Stourbridge service 7 is revised.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/541726/
Don't know if this is anything to do with the West Dudley though.
I think the revised 8 service to be honest will be a disaster, I can see buses at peak times terminating at Stourbridge and Wollaston Farm having big gaps in service!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 15, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
I think the revised 8 service to be honest will be a disaster, I can see buses at peak times terminating at Stourbridge and Wollaston Farm having big gaps in service!
The only way the 8 to Wolverhampton could work is if wollaston farm was split off to run as a self contained circular interworked with with xx05 28s for driver changeover at MH
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 15, 2019, 04:43:52 PM
The only way the 8 to Wolverhampton could work is if wollaston farm was split off to run as a self contained circular interworked with with xx05 28s for driver changeover at MH
The 20 service maybe like the good old 293 and 21 service like the 294/5 was giving the 7 just operating between Stourbridge and Dudley?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 15, 2019, 05:19:16 PM
The 20 service maybe like the good old 293 and 21 service like the 294/5 was giving the 7 just operating between Stourbridge and Dudley?
or give the Norton one the number 20A/C and Wollaston Farm number 30A/C (you see what I did there?)
I thought maybe the Wollaston Farm part of the 8 could be added onto the PN7 seen as it terminates at Wollaston Junction, and have the 8 terminate at Stourbridge ?
As others have said, I think the 8 will have reliability issues WN side and will also make the MH / Stour side struggle too. Just hope they've built decent running time and layover to account for this ?. You'll have X8 and 8 running late on the same WN rota.
Quote from: TT90 on December 15, 2019, 08:12:06 PM
I thought maybe the Wollaston Farm part of the 8 could be added onto the PN7 seen as it terminates at Wollaston Junction, and have the 8 terminate at Stourbridge ?
As others have said, I think the 8 will have reliability issues WN side and will also make the MH / Stour side struggle too. Just hope they've built decent running time and layover to account for this ?. You'll have X8 and 8 running late on the same WN rota.
I might be on holiday but what did you say about the X8 from 26th January............
The following service changes have now been announced on the Staffordshire CC website. Which means they are defiantly going ahead.
4 shortened to run I 54-Wolverhampton only.
Service 15 will operate Merry Hill-Wolverhampton as it does now but instead of operating via Hinksford and Swindon it will be revised to do the 16 route via Himley.
Service 16 will operate Stourbridge-Wolverhampton as it does now but instead of it doing Himley it will be revised to do the 15 route via Hinksford and Swindon.
So both the 15 & 16 will do a swap round.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 18, 2019, 01:01:27 PM
The following service changes have now been announced on the Staffordshire CC website. Which means they are defiantly going ahead.
4 shortened to run I 54-Wolverhampton only.
Service 15 will operate Merry Hill-Wolverhampton as it does now but instead of operating via Hinksford and Swindon it will be revised to do the 16 route via Himley.
Service 16 will operate Stourbridge-Wolverhampton as it does now but instead of it doing Himley it will be revised to do the 15 route via Hinksford and Swindon.
So both the 15 & 16 will do a swap round.
The 15 will also replace the 4 between Wolverhampton and Spring Hill/Penn Road island. It's going to be every 20 minutes (the Wall Heath shorts are ditched) So Himley village, who were at risk of losing their service completely will actuall have a more frequent bus. I assume the 15A will still operate via the A449 on Sundays? The downside is that Penn Road lose a bus an hour, as does Merry Hill to Wall Heath, although overall the amount of buses between Wombourne and Wolverhampton will increase from 4bph to 6.
What happens to the 17
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 18, 2019, 03:51:51 PM
What happens to the 17
I'm not quite sure with this change so we'll have to wait for official confirmation from the operators website before sumising on any other changes on this consultation. I know everyone wants to know before the official business is done. Not trying to say we can't have opinions on this but there is no official information on any other changes other than the things on the Gov website. Which the gov website isn't always correct.
To be honest, think it was a bit naughty of Staffordshire CC to publish this, before National Express revealed all the changes!
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 18, 2019, 03:51:51 PM
What happens to the 17
Surely a frequency increase to every 20 minutes?
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 18, 2019, 10:58:45 PM
Surely a frequency increase to every 20 minutes?
But as far as Stourbridge? The original plan was for a 20 minute service to Stourbridge which the 16 will provide. One possibility could be a rush hour service through to Stourbridge to cater for commuters and college students, with off-peak services running as 17E.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 18, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
To be honest, think it was a bit naughty of Staffordshire CC to publish this, before National Express revealed all the changes!
To be fair though if the CC have had conformation from the TC that the 15 and 16are definitely changing what's to stop them from publishing their changes?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 19, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
To be fair though if the CC have had conformation from the TC that the 15 and 16are definitely changing what's to stop them from publishing their changes?
The moment the registeration is with the traffic commisioner and placed with H M GOV it is in the public domain its an indication to me of what is so wrong with NXWM which is so out of touch with its passengers that it does not announce the changes officaly at the same time avoiding speculation the mandate is now there after the election as The Buses Act was in the Conservative manifesto this operator needs QEP's from TfWM on its whole operations led by the Mayor & the sooner the better.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 19, 2019, 10:14:06 AM
The moment the registeration is with the traffic commisioner and placed with H M GOV it is in the public domain its an indication to me of what is so wrong with NXWM which is so out of touch with its passengers that it does not announce the changes officaly at the same time avoiding speculation to me that is why now the mandate is there after the election this operator needs QEP's from TfWM on its while operations led by the Mayor.
You are probably right but I do some work for another website and the person who runs that website doesn't like to put the changes up until the official announcement. So either if the CC (Thus being Staffs) or NX announce it then it's official and in the public domain. As I've said in a previous post the Gov website may be correct sometimes but it doesn't mean the reg won't be changed at the last minute/4 weeks before the change happens.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 19, 2019, 10:24:30 AM
You are probably right but I do some work for another website and the person who runs that website doesn't like to put the changes up until the official announcement. So either if the CC (Thus being Staffs) or NX announce it then it's official and in the public domain. As I've said in a previous post the Gov website may be correct sometimes but it doesn't mean the reg won't be changed at the last minute/4 weeks before the change happens.
Why wouldn't Staffs publish the changes, it's a public document. Just because NX haven't done anything on their website doesn't mean a local authority can't publish details for residents.
Quote from: Cheese on December 19, 2019, 05:00:21 PM
Why wouldn't Staffs publish the changes, it's a public document. Just because NX haven't done anything on their website doesn't mean a local authority can't publish details for residents.
I said nothing of the short of what you posted. I was referring to the Gov website. The Gov website is sometimes correct but not always. So when the operator or CC (thus being Staffs) publish the changes then it becomes official.
The Vehicle Operator Licensing Service website is provided by the DVSA (Driver And Vehicle Standards Agency), formerly VOSA.
Its purpose is simply to list any new service registrations, as well as 'variations' to existing registered services, recorded with the Office of the Traffic Commissioner.
What it doesn't tell anyone is exactly what route or timetable changes are taking place. That will be up to the individual operator or local authority to publicise.
In many cases, a 'variation' might just mean a minor tweak or alteration to the timetable.
People should try not to read too much into registered service changes that appear on the DVSA website, have a little patience and wait for any official announcement.
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
The Vehicle Operator Licensing Service website is provided by the DVSA (Driver And Vehicle Standards Agency), formerly VOSA.
Its purpose is simply to list any new service registrations, as well as 'variations' to existing registered services, recorded with the Office of the Traffic Commissioner.
What it doesn't tell anyone is exactly what route or timetable changes are taking place. That will be up to the individual operator or local authority to publicise.
In many cases, a 'variation' might just mean a minor tweak or alteration to the timetable.
People should try not to read too much into registered service changes that appear on the DVSA website, have a little patience and wait for any official announcement.
The BUSES Act now allows all stakeholders to be informed more dilligently if EPS & QEPS are adopted following the election of the new government which lays down the future pathway on this matter as referenced too in todays Queens Speech
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
The Vehicle Operator Licensing Service website is provided by the DVSA (Driver And Vehicle Standards Agency), formerly VOSA.
Its purpose is simply to list any new service registrations, as well as 'variations' to existing registered services, recorded with the Office of the Traffic Commissioner.
What it doesn't tell anyone is exactly what route or timetable changes are taking place. That will be up to the individual operator or local authority to publicise.
In many cases, a 'variation' might just mean a minor tweak or alteration to the timetable.
People should try not to read too much into registered service changes that appear on the DVSA website, have a little patience and wait for any official announcement.
You are absolutely correct and that's what I was trying to say. Although is the DVSA the same website as the Gov website (Bus reg pages)?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 19, 2019, 05:59:53 PM
You are absolutely correct and that's what I was trying to say. Although is the DVSA the same website as the Gov website (Bus reg pages)?
Yes, the GOV.UK domain name is for the UK Government, and all Government departments, agencies and services have their own subdomain.
If you look at the bottom of any page on the Vehicle Operator Licensing website, it does state that it is "Built by the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on December 18, 2019, 05:07:56 PM
I'm not quite sure with this change so we'll have to wait for official confirmation from the operators website before sumising on any other changes on this consultation. I know everyone wants to know before the official business is done. Not trying to say we can't have opinions on this but there is no official information on any other changes other than the things on the Gov website. Which the gov website isn't always correct.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/west-dudley-and-south-wolverhampton-service-changes-from-26th-january-2020
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 20, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/west-dudley-and-south-wolverhampton-service-changes-from-26th-january-2020
Very confused by those changes not going to lie.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 20, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
Very confused by those changes not going to lie.
The 17, 17A, 17E & 57 changes will cause the most confusion & take some time to get used too.
I thought the whole idea of using single / double digit route numbers locally, was to keep things simple! We now seem to be gaining more & more variants using letter prefixes putting route numbers back to up to 3 digits....
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2019, 01:09:04 PM
The 17, 17A, 17E & 57 changes will cause the most confusion & take some time to get used too.
I thought the whole idea of using single / double digit route numbers locally, was to keep things simple! We now seem to be gaining more & more variants using letter prefixes putting route numbers back to up to 3 digits....
Sorry to say who ever thought of changing the 17A to become the 57 so that another part of the route can become a 17A needs there head examining.
As you said
@Winston. the whole point of these local bus networks with easy to remember numbers was to make life simple for people, so why couldn't the 17A be renumbered 21 and the 17E the 22 and instead of making a 57, it could have been the 23.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 03:27:12 PM
Sorry to say who ever thought of changing the 17A to become the 57 so that another part of the route can become a 17A needs there head examining.
As you said @Winston. the whole point of these local bus networks with easy to remember numbers was to make life simple for people, so why couldn't the 17A be renumbered 21 and the 17E the 22 and instead of making a 57, it could have been the 23.
Or keep the 17A as per the current route and have the direct via stream road as either 17B, or extend the old 657 to Wombourne via the 16 route and number that 16A.
With the latter, i realise it'd require an extra bus, but if it's routed correctly, it could possibly be fitted to interwork with the 10 or 28 at Stourbridge. Maybe route it to terminate at where they planned to terminate the 4?
I'm trying to understand why both the 11/11A both need to go to Merry Hill... imo the quickest service out of the pair should only go to Merry Hill, to save them both being hurled up in traffic, which they currently are suffering. I'd just send the 11A as that's the quickest service out of the pair from Walsall to Dudley... and leave the 11 at Dudley. At least it means that Wednesbury and Tipton will have a service to Merry Hill for the first time in like forever! I wonder if this change would even try and encourage more people from Walsall to go to Merry Hill, as the current 4M takes like a decade, and the 11/11A will probably take under the time the 4M takes.
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
I'm trying to understand why both the 11/11A both need to go to Merry Hill... imo the quickest service out of the pair should only go to Merry Hill, to save them both being hurled up in traffic, which they currently are suffering. I'd just send the 11A as that's the quickest service out of the pair from Walsall to Dudley... and leave the 11 at Dudley. At least it means that Wednesbury and Tipton will have a service to Merry Hill for the first time in like forever! I wonder if this change would even try and encourage more people from Walsall to go to Merry Hill, as the current 4M takes like a decade, and the 11/11A will probably take under the time the 4M takes.
Because the extension to Merry Hill is half-hourly and the 11/11A run alternately every 10 minutes.
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
I'm trying to understand why both the 11/11A both need to go to Merry Hill... imo the quickest service out of the pair should only go to Merry Hill, to save them both being hurled up in traffic, which they currently are suffering. I'd just send the 11A as that's the quickest service out of the pair from Walsall to Dudley... and leave the 11 at Dudley. At least it means that Wednesbury and Tipton will have a service to Merry Hill for the first time in like forever! I wonder if this change would even try and encourage more people from Walsall to go to Merry Hill, as the current 4M takes like a decade, and the 11/11A will probably take under the time the 4M takes.
Didn't there use to be an x1 service that use to go merry to wolvo via Tipton ? Plus does anyone know what way the x1 went between Dudley and merry hill ? Same as the 8
Quote from: Roy on December 20, 2019, 08:37:23 PM
Because the extension to Merry Hill is half-hourly and the 11/11A run alternately every 10 minutes.
Intrigued to see if it does work... I still think people will change at Dudley and jump onto the 8...
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 08:42:18 PM
Intrigued to see if it does work... I still think people will change at Dudley and jump onto the 8...
The 11/A is planned 27 mins, the 8 usually takes 18-20 mins
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 20, 2019, 08:45:30 PM
The 11/A is planned 27 mins, the 8 usually takes 18-20 mins
Yes, but if you just miss a connection at Dudley Bus Station, you have a wait of up to 20 minutes for the next number 8.
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 20, 2019, 08:41:15 PM
Didn't there use to be an x1 service that use to go merry to wolvo via Tipton ? Plus does anyone know what way the x1 went between Dudley and merry hill ? Same as the 8
Yes there used to be the X1 from Wolverhampton to Merry Hill, sadly it was a failure mainly I think because of the time it took between Wolveerhampton & Dudley (38 minutes). It took 17 minutes between Dudley and Merry Hill so presume it took the same route as the 8 (X96 at the time) but to be honest I can't remember.
Around 2009 I'm sure there was a diamond 300 running
Walsall - Wednesbury - Dudley - Merry Hill running via 313 route todays 11A.
Im sure there was a 310 Wednesbury - Merry Hill ran by arriva around 2012.
Quote from: PB2938 on December 20, 2019, 09:34:55 PM
Around 2009 I'm sure there was a diamond 300 running
Walsall - Wednesbury - Dudley - Merry Hill running via 313 route todays 11A.
Im sure there was a 310 Wednesbury - Merry Hill ran by arriva around 2012.
I can sort of recall seeing the 300 operated by Diamond's Dart's and on the bus stop flags along Myvod Road. This has to got to be around 2008/9. As Myvod Road had four bus services back then: 311A, 313, 399 and the 300 (I think).
The 310 ran until 2014(?) if I remember correctly and went all the way from Willenhall.
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2019, 09:37:01 PM
I can sort of recall seeing the 300 operated by Diamond's Dart's and on the bus stop flags along Myvod Road. This has to got to be around 2008/9. As Myvod Road had four bus services back then: 311A, 313, 399 and the 300 (I think).
The 310 ran until 2014(?) if I remember correctly and went all the way from Willenhall.
Yes
@Jack your not far off there, the Diamond livery and name actually came about because of the Diamond 310 livery used by the BCC on the 310 mind you I am a last warning of the moderators & were heading off topic on the West Dudley Forum.......
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Yes there used to be the X1 from Wolverhampton to Merry Hill, sadly it was a failure mainly I think because of the time it took between Wolveerhampton & Dudley (38 minutes). It took 17 minutes between Dudley and Merry Hill so presume it took the same route as the 8 (X96 at the time) but to be honest I can't remember.
Cheers for the info and I do belive that they did but wasn't too sure
There was also a 911 Walsall - Dudley - Merry Hill one Christmas, running via Darlaston & the BCR.
Guess it used the Pedmore Road as well.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Yes there used to be the X1 from Wolverhampton to Merry Hill, sadly it was a failure mainly I think because of the time it took between Wolveerhampton & Dudley (38 minutes). It took 17 minutes between Dudley and Merry Hill so presume it took the same route as the 8 (X96 at the time) but to be honest I can't remember.
And the X99 they did aswell.
Quote from: Dom on December 21, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
And the X99 they did aswell.
Both used to have Excels on as usual allocation didn't they.
Didn't the X99 run via High Oak?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 01:14:49 PM
Both used to have Excels on as usual allocation didn't they.
Didn't the X99 run via High Oak?
The X1 was Mercedes Benz O405N's during the week, B7RLE's on Sundays (and often Saturdays too).
With the 17/A/E/57 coming to Pensnett and the 8 going to WN is 15 going to be B7 operated from 26/1/20 with the few extras being available from the curtailed 4. Would be nice to see branding for the new 8/15/16/17
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 21, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
With the 17/A/E/57 coming to Pensnett and the 8 going to WN is 15 going to be B7 operated from 26/1/20 with the few extras being available from the curtailed 4. Would be nice to see branding for the new 8/15/16/17
Considering the Merry Hill to Wall Heath section will now have a bus every 20 minutes, instead of the current 15 which is every 15 and it currently gets busy, i'd imagine they'll stick with E400's. It'll also compensate for Spring Hill to Wolverhampton dropping to 3 bph as opposed to the current 4.
Quote from: Nathan on December 21, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
Considering the Merry Hill to Wall Heath section will now have a bus every 20 minutes, instead of the current 15 which is every 15 and it currently gets busy, i'd imagine they'll stick with E400's. It'll also compensate for Spring Hill to Wolverhampton dropping to 3 bph as opposed to the current 4.
@Nathan trust me NXWM have form cutting frequencys from 15mins to 20mins and then they use the best spin doctors to pass it off as an improvment with better buses this retrograde takes the15 back to its WMT 260 days and its step entrance Volvos and they keep getting away with it bring on the QEPs from TfWM and the sooner the better.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 07:31:15 PM
@Nathan trust me NXWM have form cutting frequencys from 15mins to 20mins and then they use the best spin doctors to pass it off as an improvment with better buses this retrograde takes the15 back to its WMT 260 days and its step entrance Volvos and they keep getting away with it bring on the QEPs from TfWM and the sooner the better.
These frequency cuts wouldn't happen if the routes were franchised. bring on Pete Lowe for Mayor of Greater Birmingham
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
These frequency cuts wouldn't happen if the routes were franchised. bring on Pete Lowe for Mayor of Greater Birmingham
Righto I am NOT getting into any form of debate for the Mayor of The West Midlands Combined Authority in any form as this is not a political forum my comments here on are based on policy agreed currently by and proposed by the WMCA by the present incumbent and this is off topic.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 07:39:40 PM
These frequency cuts wouldn't happen if the routes were franchised. bring on Pete Lowe for Mayor of Greater Birmingham
Absolute rubbish. Have you seen how many services are getting frequency reductions in London?
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2019, 08:20:04 PM
Absolute rubbish. Have you seen how many services are getting frequency reductions in London?
Cuts due to traffic congestion affecting services in central London, meaning that more buses bunching. Fairly reasonable.
On the contrary there have been a number of service increases within the outer part of the Transport for London area. Plus the Hopper Fare has proven popular!
Where's the excuse of relegating a 12 or 15 minute frequency on a route to every 20. It's just cost cutting by a deregulated bus company trying to increase profits.
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 21, 2019, 08:23:31 PM
Cuts due to traffic congestion affecting services in central London, meaning that more buses bunching. Fairly reasonable.
On the contrary there have been a number of service increases within the outer part of the Transport for London area. Plus the Hopper Fare has proven popular!
Where's the excuse of relegating a 12 or 15 minute frequency on a route to every 20. It's just cost cutting by a deregulated bus company trying to increase profits.
Have a look at the consultation.documents on the TfL website and the implication documents for the huge cuts in provision in.TfL Zone 1 & 2 yes there have been some minor improvments in Terry & June land but I seriously would not hold up TfL and its vast amount of unsustainable subsidy as an alternative to TfWM and its current and proposed arrangements with NXWM & Rotala and just look at the average cost of a bus journey within the West Midlands County compered with the rest of England.Remember WMPTE did the 1 hour hopper fare 35 years ago and it failed here and we are off topic from West Dudley.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2019, 08:20:04 PM
Absolute rubbish. Have you seen how many services are getting frequency reductions in London?
Dont think to be fair
@Tony that argument holds up at all when you look at the 140/241 fitted timetable that we had from 1984 to 2018 untill well I dont have to say it do I?
I don't understand the issue with cutting frequencies. If a route is not making enough money, that it needs a frequency decrease, where's the issue? Supply and demand. Simple as that. NX is a business and not a charity. If TfWM think that it should be 12/15 minutes, they can subsidise the the extra bus or two in order to maintain a 12/15 min frequency.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 08:34:14 PM
Have a look at the consultation.documents on the TfL website and the implication documents for the huge cuts in provision in.TfL Zone 1 & 2 yes there have been some minor improvments in Terry & June land but I seriously would not hold up TfL and its vast amount of unsustainable subsidy as an alternative to TfWM and its current and proposed arrangements with NXWM & Rotala and just look at the average cost of a bus journey within the West Midlands County compered with the rest of England.Remember WMPTE did the 1 hour hopper fare 35 years ago and it failed here and we are off topic from West Dudley.
If you notice, the latter point did refer to West Dudley.. especially in that compared to outer Greater London, franchised routes are being increased in frequency with inner routes getting reduced to allow for a near zero financial effect, yet in the outer parts of deregulated Greater Birmingham, such as West Dudley, routes are being reduced in frequency to make more profit for operators, whereas city centre routes are staying or even getting new buses (such as the 6, Suttons)
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2019, 08:45:20 PM
I don't understand the issue with cutting frequencies. If a route is not making enough money, that it needs a frequency decrease, where's the issue? Supply and demand. Simple as that. NX is a business and not a charity. If TfWM think that it should be 12/15 minutes, they can subsidise the the extra bus or two in order to maintain a 12/15 min frequency.
But why should passengers suffer for routes being cut. What would be every 10 mins gets cut to every 15 which increases decline of passengers because of less frequent buses which could mean a cut to every 20 and so on and so forth. All so directors and venture capitalists who own the majority of a companies shares can profiteer.
First in Stoke is just one example.
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2019, 08:45:20 PM
I don't understand the issue with cutting frequencies. If a route is not making enough money, that it needs a frequency decrease, where's the issue? Supply and demand. Simple as that. NX is a business and not a charity. If TfWM think that it should be 12/15 minutes, they can subsidise the the extra bus or two in order to maintain a 12/15 min frequency.
The simple fact is the 140/241 fitted timetable was axed simply to improve the profit margin on the route by on average 4% to match the industry average in order for NXPLC to present a set of accounts to the city to show increasing profits nothing at all to do with improving services simply dividends and remember I am an accountant and see straight thru what NXWM are doing with thier so called network reviews it happened at Midland Red West when GRT took control the PLC bus companies take the passengers for fools and many who post on this forum.actually believe the spin! They used the same formula in Bartley Green the 22 is now the X22 with a similar frequency cut the X8 is not an improvment its a simple frequency cut to.improve margins when you look at the old 127 129 140 & 241 and compere it to the current X8 & 13A and no one on this site can see it. ( 14 14A & 24 form a business case submitted by NXWM for a block tender and are out of scope for the mode review of my comments as they are subsidised by TfWM) - I am going to get banned I am hopelessly off topic again.mind you.the X8 is part pf the West Dudley Review........
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 08:40:45 PM
Dont think to be fair @Tony that argument holds up at all when you look at the 140/241 fitted timetable that we had from 1984 to 2018 untill well I dont have to say it do I?
That argument holds up perfectly.
In tendered networks some places get service reductions and others get increases, exactly the same as commercial networks depending on demand. The original statement that tendering would stop reductions is completely wrong. Andy Burnham is just discovering that a tendered nework will cost more as the operators still make a profit, but you have to add on the tendering authority costs as well, so when money is tight you will get even more cuts
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2019, 09:13:58 PM
That argument holds up perfectly.
In tendered networks some places get service reductions and others get increases, exactly the same as commercial networks depending on demand. The original statement that tendering would stop reductions is completely wrong. Andy Burnham is just discovering that a tendered nework will cost more as the operators still make a profit, but you have to add on the tendering authority costs as well, so when money is tight you will get even more cuts
Aside from any TfWM tenders you cannot say in any form your argumemt holds up against the replacement of the 140/241 from Dudley to Quinton Stag with.the X8 I did an audit on the 140/241 in 2008 2012 2015 & 2018 and in no way did the passenger usage levels decline in fact 2012 to 2018 they increased even when you factor in the overhead costs of the operator and the concessionerys and insurance costs by replacing the 140/241 with the X8 you have increased the profit margin on the route by 4% and reduced the overall frequency by 13% I have had my calculations audited by an accountant not in my Institute but works for Companies House who found them to be structually sound and will be using them as the foundation of my proposal to The Mayor for a QEP on the X8 together with the report I am.compiling to be submitted to the OfTC on the reliability of the route if and its a big if The Mayor is relected I will use the data for a proposal for a QEP on the X8 to the WMCA.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 09:52:20 PM
Aside from any TfWM tenders you cannot say in any form your argumemt holds up against the replacement of the 140/241 from Dudley to Quinton Stag with.the X8 I did an audit on the 140/241 in 2008 2012 2015 & 2018 and in no way did the passenger usage levels decline in fact 2012 to 2018 they increased even when you factor in the overhead costs of the operator and the concessionerys and insurance costs by replacing the 140/241 with the X8 you have increased the profit margin on the route by 4% and reduced the overall frequency by 13% I have had my calculations audited by an accountant not in my Institute but works for Companies House who found them to be structually sound and will be using as the foundation of my proposal to The Mayor for a QEP on the X8 together with the report I am.compiling to be submitted to the OfTC on the reliability of the route if and its a big if The Mayor is relected I will use the data for a proposal for a QEP on the X8 to the WMCA.
Strange your complaining about a frequency decrease. When i'm sure you stated elsewhere that you wanted to replace the X8 with an all stop 9A and decrease the frequency to every 30 minutes.
From what I can see passengers on the X8 travelling to Bearwood, Five Ways and Birmingham City Centre now have an every 20 minute frequency when they previously had an every 30 minute 140.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
They used the same formula in Bartley Green the 22 is now the X22 with a similar
During the day the current frequency on the X22 seems adequate from what I've seen. As has been said NX aren't a charity, if there isn't the demand for a higher frequency then there won't be one.
People who work at/visit the QE, now have a direct service from Bartley Green and that link seems to be fairly well used from what I've seen as well. There didn't used to be a direct service, so from what I've seen it seems some people have benefited from that change.
Quote from: 2206 on December 21, 2019, 09:57:02 PM
Strange your complaining about a frequency decrease.
When i'm sure you stated elsewhere that you wanted to replace the X8 with an all stop 9A and decrease the frequency to every 30 minutes.
Is the 9A I propose not the reliable freqency of the erstwhile 140 to Birmingham half hourly or am I missing something with the 14A & 24 which are already subsidsed by the WMCA to restore the fitted timetable of a 15min frequency to The Hailstone my complaint is the frequency reduction from Dudley to Quinton Stag via Rowley which has been cut from 15mins to 20mins can you not see that a half hourly 9A fitted with the 13A would give an even spaced frequency to Birmingham what use currently is the off peak X8 & 13A both departing at about half past the hour? The 9A & 14 restored to half hourly again fitted would restore the reliabiliy and a 15min service. Most people use the train from Blackheath to Birmingham why would you want a 20min frequency X8 not fitted with the 13A currently when you could have a 9A/13A fitted 15 min frequency & alongside the X10 & the X8 & X10 are always together only Quinton.Cemetry to The Shell Corner gets a reduction to & from Brum 2 stops only get an overall service reduction & my data indicates usage to Brum is low
@Tony ? I can only see towards Brum Long Lane Libary, Towcraft, The Angling Shop, The Dilshad & Cemetry and my research indicates no one likes not having a stopping service from The Stag &.coupled with better relibility how can you possibly argue this proposed QEP benefits far more than the current service?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 21, 2019, 09:52:20 PM
Aside from any TfWM tenders you cannot say in any form your argumemt holds up against the replacement of the 140/241 from Dudley to Quinton Stag with.the X8 I did an audit on the 140/241 in 2008 2012 2015 & 2018 and in no way did the passenger usage levels decline in fact 2012 to 2018 they increased even when you factor in the overhead costs of the operator and the concessionerys and insurance costs by replacing the 140/241 with the X8 you have increased the profit margin on the route by 4% and reduced the overall frequency by 13% I have had my calculations audited by an accountant not in my Institute but works for Companies House who found them to be structually sound and will be using them as the foundation of my proposal to The Mayor for a QEP on the X8 together with the report I am.compiling to be submitted to the OfTC on the reliability of the route if and its a big if The Mayor is relected I will use the data for a proposal for a QEP on the X8 to the WMCA.
I'm not referring to your completely biased view of small area, I'm referring to entire franchised networks like London and commercial networks like the West Midlands.
Both have frequency increases and decreases as required by passenger numbers. And being honest I cannot see anyone being interested in your supposed audited calculations
Quote from: 2206 on December 21, 2019, 09:57:02 PM
People who work at/visit the QE, now have a direct service from Bartley Green and that link seems to be fairly well used from what I've seen as well. There didn't used to be a direct service, so from what I've seen it seems some people have benefited from that change.
Second time I've seen this said now. Pretty sure Bartley Green have always had a direct link to the QE...
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 22, 2019, 06:28:21 AM
Second time I've seen this said now. Pretty sure Bartley Green have always had a direct link to the QE...
No, you could be wrong. Can't you see he knows more than any of us because he mentions about X20 routes regularly?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 22, 2019, 06:28:21 AM
Second time I've seen this said now. Pretty sure Bartley Green have always had a direct link to the QE...
The X64 went via Selly Oak and Weoley Castle didn't it. Current route seems more direct from what I can see.
And the Quinton Road area never used to have a service to the QE either.
Plus there is additional capacity, 3 double deckers an hour for passengers going to Bartley Grenn and Quinton Road. And I regularly see large numbers of passenger board and alight the X22 there.
Other than the reliability problems, the current routes seem to be very popular routes from what I see. The Birmingham to University/QE section also regularly has standing loads at peak times on the double deckers, with heavy passenger numbers boarding at the Uni and QE to the City Centre and Bath Row.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2019, 09:30:32 AM
The X64 went via Sell Oak and Weoley Castle didn't it. Current route seems more direct from what I can see.
And the Quinton Road area never used to have a service to the QE either.
Plus there is additional capacity, 3 double deckers an hour for passengers going to Bartley Grenn and Quinton Road. And I regularly see large numbers of passenger board and alight the X22 there.
Other than the reliability problems, the current routes seem to be very popular routes from what I see.
Yes
@Tony was talking rubbish as always to try to prove his point the X64 always linked Bartley Green with the QE and at one point went indirect via Balmoral Road along the 22 route and before that was the 448 I do not think he knows anything about the buses he supposedly runs he seems oblivious to the complaints I hear the users of the 22 who lost their link to Harborne whatever excuses he makes the X20 X21 X22 are all about improving margins to 4% the old 29 & 29A used to run every 10Min's from Weoley Castle to the City the current service is every 20 Min's the same sort of frequency cut seen on the 140/241 which he has no answer for. Didnt Diamond Bus 647 used to link the Quinton Road area to the QE? Remember this is the West Dudley Consultation and were off topic again.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 22, 2019, 10:04:03 AM
Yes @Tony was talking rubbish as always to try to prove his point the X64 always linked Bartley Green with the QE and at one point went indirect via Balmoral Road along the 22 route and before that was the 448 I do not think he knows anything about the buses he supposedly runs he seems oblivious to the complaints I hear the users of the 22 who lost their link to Harborne whatever excuses he makes the X20 X21 X22 are all about improving margins to 4% the old 29 & 29A used to run every 10Min's from Weoley Castle to the City the current service is every 20 Min's the same sort of frequency cut seen on the 140/241 which he has no answer for. Didnt Diamond Bus 647 used to link the Quinton Road area to the QE? Remember this is the West Dudley Consultation and were off topic again.
But you can't have a direct link to everywhere you want to go. There are many people who have to change buses every day to get to where they want to go and don't have a problem with it.
I regularly see a small number people change at Barnes Hill, who don't have a problem with changing to get to Harborne. From Barnes Hill the 23 runs frequently to Harborne, so you won't have a long wait till one turns up.
Diamond 647 was an hourly off peak only service, more than likely useless to most people.
The capacity increase to Birmingham City Centre and Bath Row from the Uni and QE on that section was also needed due to there being demand for a higher frequency.
The X21 copes perfectly fine connecting the Weoley Castle and the City Centre on a 20 minute frequency. I don't think there Is demand for a 10 minute service from what I can see, if there is no demand then it won't run to such a high frequency.
Also a capcity increase for people going from Barltey Green to the QE, who now have a more direct servie than before.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2019, 10:07:11 AM
But you can't have a direct link to everywhere you want to go. There are many people who have to change buses every day to get to where they want to go and don't have a problem with it.
I regularly see a small number people change at Barnes Hill, who don't have a problem with changing to get to Harborne. From Barnes Hill the 23 runs frequently to Harborne, so you won't have a long wait till one turns up.
Diamond 647 was an hourly off peak only service, more than likely useless to most people.
The capacity increase to Birmingham City Centre and Bath Row on that section was also needed, to meet demand.
The X21 copes perfectly fine connecting the Weoley Castle and the City Centre on a 20 minute frequency. I don't think there Is demand for a 10 minute service from what I can see, if there is no demand then it won't run to such a high frequency.
Also a capcity increase for people going from Barltey Green to the QE, who now have a more direct servie than before.
From using the 002 and visiting clients at WC the 27 to Northfield is very unpopular and rammed, when I speak to folk outside Lloyds Bank the feeling is the same as in Blackheath NXWM took a good service and cut it to improve its margins for the PLC. it I never find anyone with anything good to say about the X21 remember it runs to the same frequency as the X64 so how is it better? or with folks views of X22 at The War Memorial and the 23 is just plain bonkers on many occasions there a two and three in succession as in Blackheath I don't think anyone at NXWM actually ever uses the routes because the planning is bonkers!
Chaps, lets please keep this thread on-topic, last time I checked the QE, Selly Oak, Harborne and Bartley Green are not in West Dudley.
Quote from: Nathan on December 21, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
Considering the Merry Hill to Wall Heath section will now have a bus every 20 minutes, instead of the current 15 which is every 15 and it currently gets busy, i'd imagine they'll stick with E400's. It'll also compensate for Spring Hill to Wolverhampton dropping to 3 bph as opposed to the current 4.
In addition, looking at the 15 and 16 timetables, it looks as if the two routes could interwork from about 2 pm onwards.
Will the 8 be operated by Pensnett or Wolverhampton?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 23, 2019, 08:21:25 PM
Will the 8 be operated by Pensnett or Wolverhampton?
Wolverhampton will operate the 8 with Pensnett getting the 17 17A and 57 so its been mooted.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 23, 2019, 08:22:51 PM
Wolverhampton will operate the 8 with Pensnett getting the 17 17A and 57 so its been mooted.
I think Pensnett might operate the odd journey on the 8. I.E there is an early morning journey on the 8 which runs between Stourbridge and Wollaston farm only. I can't imagine a bus coming from Wolverhampton just to do that short trip.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 23, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
I think Pensnett might operate the odd journey on the 8. I.E there is an early morning journey on the 8 which runs between Stourbridge and Wollaston farm only. I can't imagine a bus coming from Wolverhampton just to do that short trip.
It works the 06:52 back to Wolverhampton from Wollaston Farm so possible Wolverhampton will send a bus dead to work it?
By the looks of it Wolverhampton will be sending a bus empty to Kingswinford to operate an early 16 journey to Wolverhampton.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 23, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
I think Pensnett might operate the odd journey on the 8. I.E there is an early morning journey on the 8 which runs between Stourbridge and Wollaston farm only. I can't imagine a bus coming from Wolverhampton just to do that short trip.
We run dead from Perry barr to Lichfield so Wolverhampton could easily send a bus dead to Stourbridge
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 23, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
I think Pensnett might operate the odd journey on the 8. I.E there is an early morning journey on the 8 which runs between Stourbridge and Wollaston farm only. I can't imagine a bus coming from Wolverhampton just to do that short trip.
The 8 will be interworking with the X8, it's going to be WN operated. Wolverhampton already send buses dead to Stourbridge on the current 16.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 23, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
I think Pensnett might operate the odd journey on the 8. I.E there is an early morning journey on the 8 which runs between Stourbridge and Wollaston farm only. I can't imagine a bus coming from Wolverhampton just to do that short trip.
It is quite common remember PN run.the WA 4H of NXWM in.Halesowen on an evening & Sunday.
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
The 8 will be interworking with the X8, it's going to be WN operated. Wolverhampton already send buses dead to Stourbridge on the current 16.
Will this mean the X8 branding will be removed or re-done, and the 8 branding added on if the buses are interworking running boards ?
Quote from: TT90 on December 26, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
Will this mean the X8 branding will be removed or re-done, and the 8 branding added on if the buses are interworking running boards ?
Wonder if WN will get some of YW platinums (ones being replaced by the electrics)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 26, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
Wonder if WN will get some of YW platinums (ones being replaced by the electrics)
Apparently the platinums are going on the 45/47 with their current E400s transferring on to the 97.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 26, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
Apparently the platinums are going on the 45/47 with their current E400s transferring on to the 97.
I can see the Tridents being split to other garages to replace older 43** Tridents.
Quote from: TT90 on December 26, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
Will this mean the X8 branding will be removed or re-done, and the 8 branding added on if the buses are interworking running boards ?
You'd have thought so as it says every 10 minutes between Wolverhampton and Dudley so to keep that the 8 has to be included.
Quote from: Jack on December 26, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
I can see the Tridents being split to other garages to replace older 43** Tridents.
Pensnett maybe? They already have ex-BC tridents.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 26, 2019, 05:26:17 PM
Pensnett maybe? They already have ex-BC tridents.
If it turns out to be true, then I would think Wolverhampton, as the BC Tridents are crimson and that's where most of the red and white 43XX are based. Don't think PN would need around 20 BC Tridents.
Also they claim on there website the X70 is supposed to be Platinum and then the main allocation on there usually seems to be standard E400 when I see it. So maybe that route will get some of the Platinums of the YW6.
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2019, 09:01:27 PM
The 8 will be interworking with the X8, it's going to be WN operated. Wolverhampton already send buses dead to Stourbridge on the current 16.
So the 8 and X8 will interwork on the same running boards ? i.e Bus comes in to WN BS as an 8 and then goes out as an X8 to Birmingham etc and vice
versa ?
Hope they've factored in decent layover from each trip for this to happen then :-\
Quote from: TT90 on December 26, 2019, 05:49:51 PM
So the 8 and X8 will interwork on the same running boards ? i.e Bus comes in to WN BS as an 8 and then goes out as an X8 to Birmingham etc and vice
versa ?
Hope they've factored in decent layover from each trip for this to happen then :-\
The X8 proper layover & timetable as those great philposhsers of life BUCKS FIZZ would say are you living in."The Land Of Make OF Make Believe" just with my mates at the mercy of the worst most hopeless bus company in the UK NXWM with its 79 & 4M I advised against the worst bus service in the western world the totally incompetent and useless X8 as were heading home after the races it could be a long night with these cowboys that call themselves National Express West Midlands that try to protray themselves as a fit and proper bus company thats a laugh NXWM are not fit for ANY purpose there utterly hopeless my mates using NXWM today know this NOW even Deano he has had his eyes opened today NXWM are hopeless on any route bring on the QEPs in 2020 to free us from this rotten to the core bus company that is NXWM!!!!!
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 07:08:18 PM
The X8 proper layover & timetable as those great philposhsers of life BUCKS FIZZ would say are you living in."The Land Of Make OF Make Believe" just with my mates at the mercy of the worst most hopeless bus company in the UK NXWM with its 79 & 4M I advised against the worst bus service in the western world the totally incompetent and useless X8 as were heading home after the races it could be a long night with these cowboys that call themselves National Express West Midlands that try to protray themselves as a fit and proper bus company thats a laugh NXWM are not fit for purpose there utterly hopeless my mates using NXWM today know this after today even Deano he has had his eyes opened today NXWM are hopeless on any route bring on the QEPs in 2020 to free us from this rotten to the core bus company that is NXWM!!!!!
Wouldn't you be happy if Wolves Corporation 4535 would turn up on the X8? I mean it would brighten up the dullness of Blackheath... as it's pretty grim with the miserable weather...
Quote from: Jack on December 26, 2019, 07:58:37 PM
Wouldn't you be happy if Wolves Corporation 4535 would turn up on the X8? I mean it would brighten up the dullness of Blackheath... as it's pretty grim with the miserable weather...
Its even GRIMER putting up with the pathetic service we have had to use today from NXWM and if a Wolverhampton.Corporation livery bus such as 4535 turned up I would not board it under any circumstances on principal it has NO place in Blackheath its WMPTE /Midland Red (West) & Birmingham Coach Company/Diamond Bus country not a former corporation with no connection at all with Blackheaths Buses, the PN B7 in the WMPTE coach livery yes I used to go my swimming club on a MK1 WMPTE DP Leyland National on the 202 in that iconic livery but NEVER would I EVER board a Wolverhampton Corporation bus in Blackheath its totally wrong but looking out the windows of Blackheath Spoons with my mates at our Xmas Lights there are a lot worse places in the world to be...................
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
Its even GRIMER putting up with the pathetic service we have had to use today from NXWM and if a Wolverhampton.Corporation livery bus such as 4535 turned up I would not board it under any circumstances on principal it has NO place in Blackheath its WMPTE /Midland Red (West) & Birmingham Coach Company/Diamond Bus country not a former corporation with no connection at all with Blackheaths Buses, the PN B7 in the WMPTE coach livery yes I used to go my swimming club on a MK1 WMPTE DP Leyland National on the 202 in that iconic livery but NEVER would I EVER board a Wolverhampton Corporation bus in Blackheath its totally wrong but looking out the windows of Blackheath Spoons with my mates at our Xmas Lights there are a lot worse places in the world to be...................
I'll get it booked on there tomorrow for you.
Quote from: BN on December 26, 2019, 09:02:50 PM
I'll get it booked on there tomorrow for you.
Feel free I didnt use the useless X8 to Wolverhampton today and dont have to again this year & not till the 7th Jan.2020 its the excellent service of Diamond Bus till then & if 4535 turned up then I would wait for a 13A nobody in Blackheath with any concious would ever board a bus in Wolverhampton Corporations livery its shows what idiots NXWM are and are so out of touch with the real world if NXWM think a Wolverhampron Corporation bus has any relervance in Blackheath.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 09:16:30 PM
nobody in Blackheath with any concious would ever board a bus in Wolverhampton Corporations livery its shows what idiots NXWM are and are so out of touch with the real world if NXWM think a Wolverhampron Corporation bus has any relervance in Blackheath.
To the general public its just another bus.
And everyone else would board it whatever livery it is in.
Sometimes NX will put a 101 or 16 branded bus on the 94, which equally holds no connection with the 94 or with any of the areas the 94 serves, but everyone still gets on the bus.
Quote from: 2206 on December 26, 2019, 10:58:19 PM
To the general public its just another bus.
And everyone else would board it whatever livery it is in.
Your point is irelevant that is the same operator running a bus on.any of its services thats fine. My piont is that National Express West Midlands is NOT A FIT or proper operatior if it operates a so called hertirage in area that is has no connection and proves how out of touch the operator is with its passengers and whatever you say if you were a Baggies fan would you ever wear a Villa shirt. I would NEVER be seen dead on a Wolverhampton Corporation bus never been on one in my life. BLACKHEATH is BMMO/Midland Red (West) WMPTE/WMT & Birmingham Coach Company NEVER EVER WOLVERHAMPTON.CORPORATION & if anyone suggests otherwise its laughable I will grant you the good people of Blackheath get so fed up waiting for the X8 they would get on anything in.desperation.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
Your point is irelevant that is the same operator running a bus on.any of its services thats fine.
So its fine to use 4535 on the X8 then since that is a National Express West Midlands Bus, being used on a National Express West Midlands route. Whatever livery it may be in. Not a different operator.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
My piont is that National Express West Midlands is NOT A FIT or proper operatior if it operates a so called hertirage in area that is has no connection and proves how out of touch the operator is
Wouldn't really consider it unfit for purpose, using it in another area.
Think people would much rather an adequate bus turns up ontime. I think people would prefer the double decker being used adequately, rather than 751 turning up with no more room/limited capacity.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 26, 2019, 11:23:21 PM
Your point is irelevant that is the same operator running a bus on.any of its services thats fine. My piont is that National Express West Midlands is NOT A FIT or proper operatior if it operates a so called hertirage in area that is has no connection and proves how out of touch the operator is with its passengers and whatever you say I would NEVER get on a bus in.Wolverhampton.Corporation.colours in Blackheath if you were a Baggies fan would you ever wear a Villa shirt. BLACKHEATH is BMMO/Midland Red (West) WMPTE & Birmingham Coach Company NEVER EVER WOLVERHAMPTON.CORPORATION & if anyone suggests otherwise its laughable I will grant you the good people of Blackheath get so fed up waiting for the X8 they would get on anything in.desperation.
What an absolutely ridiculous post! If you truly have such a strong held belief about buses running around an area in a different livery how can you constantly bang on about the 'brilliance' of diamond who have buses in service still in many previous operators colours, often seen old central bus, Preston bus, the old Bristol area company livery etc etc running into Worcester on the 303. Do you think the local passengers care, of course they don't! As long as it's a bus that takes them comfortably from
A to B the vast majority of passengers do not care what colour it is.
I really used to enjoy this site for interesting updates and discussion but this constant NXWM criticism is getting tedious now.
Quote from: 2206 on December 26, 2019, 11:44:07 PM
So its fine to use 4535 on the X8 then since that is a National Express West Midlands Bus, being used on a National Express West Midlands route. Whatever livery it may be in.
No not in any way if its in Wolverhampton.Corporation colours and not in.NXWM livery and to be frank why paint a bus in a forgotten corporation that no one remembers and was defunct before I was born 51 years ago its utterly stupid so why would you use it on a traditional BMMO/WMPTE route its bonkers.Lets face who cares about Wolverhampton Corporation save for its trollybuses at least BMMO is holding on for dear life in.First Midland Red Buses Limited and as for Diamond Bus I do not notice them repainting buses in previous owners colours did you
@j789 actually use NXWM buses today and had to endure the awfull service I did I only complain about the buses I actually use and today as ever NXWM were rubbish I would be more than happy to be proved otherwise perhaps if you never actually use NXWM you might find the comments tedious but thats your opinion.
Quote from: j789 on December 26, 2019, 11:48:03 PM
What an absolutely ridiculous post! If you truly have such a strong held belief about buses running around an area in a different livery how can you constantly bang on about the 'brilliance' of diamond who have buses in service still in many previous operators colours, often seen old central bus, Preston bus, the old Bristol area company livery etc etc running into Worcester on the 303. Do you think the local passengers care, of course they don't! As long as it's a bus that takes them comfortably from
A to B the vast majority of passengers do not care what colour it is.
I really used to enjoy this site for interesting updates and discussion but this constant NXWM criticism is getting tedious now.
This guy is pissing a lot of people off on this forum. I'm surprised his idiotic posts are being tolerated by moderators. I think this is another nutter that needs to be rejected from here so he can trouble the people of Facebook alongside his fellow kind.
Ridiculous. Can the moderators remove him? It's gone on long enough now hasn't it?
Quote from: MW on December 27, 2019, 12:01:42 AM
This guy is pissing a lot of people off on this forum. I'm surprised his idiotic posts are being tolerated by moderators. I think this is another nutter that needs to be rejected from here so he can trouble the people of Facebook alongside his fellow kind.
Ridiculous. Can the moderators remove him? It's gone on long enough now hasn't it?
@MW I only post about using NXWM today from West Bromwich to Wolverhampton Racecourse and back.to Blackheath what do.you not like about the reality of using the companys services today or is this a fantasy bus forum? Ok over to you
@Tony just remind me did your NXWM X8 actually turn up at the timetabled time last Friday & wasnt the 48 twenty mins late leaving the QE so there point is?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 12:05:32 AM
@MW I only post about using NXWM today from West Bromwich to Wolverhampton Racecourse and back.to Blackheath what do.you not like about the reality of using the companys services today or is this a fantasy bus forum?
I'd hardly consider a Wolverhampton double decker being used on a Wolverhampton double decker route a problem.
Also from my own experience I don't think they are as bad as you are claiming.
Certainly on my return trip from Solihull on Tuesday afternoon (2 buses) I didn't have any problems and both buses were operating on time.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 12:05:32 AM
Ok over to you @Tony just remind me did your NXWM X8 actually turn up at the timetabled time last Friday?
They don't delibratley decide they are going to run late. There would have been a problem somewhere. From what I remember there was heavy congestion last Friday, with schools also finishing early for Christmas. Lots of services were affected, not just the X8.
Surely you expected there to be delays and congestion on the last Friday before Christmas. The buses can't fly.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2019, 03:17:09 PM
We currently have widespread congestion across the network, causing severe delays across many core services, particularly those serving the shopping areas. This congestion is being intensified by many schools breaking up for the Christmas festive holidays.
The congestion and disruption to services is expected to intensify further as we approach the afternoon peak.
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2019, 12:10:45 AM
I'd hardly consider a Wolverhampton double decker being used on a Wolverhampton double decker route a problem.
Also from my own experience I don't think they are as bad as you are claiming.
Certainly on my return trip from Solihull on Tuesday afternoon (2 buses) I didn't have any problems and both buses were operating on time.
They don't delibratley decide they are going to run late. There would have been a problem somewhere.
Surely you expected there to be delays and congestion on the Friday before Christmas. The buses can't fly.
Well my Diamond Bus 231 was smack on time last Friday and using Hagley Rd services for over 20 years I had never encountered the total incompetence of the services on the friday before xmas ever before but your quite right Wolverhampton Corporation buses should be used on its home services not the BMMO/WMPTE 126/140 it has NO connection with.The pre September 2018 timetables were fine but NXWM bought to Blackheath utter chaos earlier this week there was a 4M to Merry Hill with a 4M to Cradley Heath behind it BONKERS!
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2019, 12:10:45 AM
I'd hardly consider a Wolverhampton double decker being used on a Wolverhampton double decker route a problem.
Also from my own experience I don't think they are as bad as you are claiming.
Certainly on my return trip from Solihull on Tuesday afternoon (2 buses) I didn't have any problems and both buses were operating on time.
They don't delibratley decide they are going to run late. There would have been a problem somewhere. From what I remember there was heavy congestion last Friday, with schools also finishing early for Christmas. Lots of services were affected, not just the X8.
Surely you expected there to be delays and congestion on the last Friday before Christmas. The buses can't fly.
The post you quoted from
@Tony was yet again an attempt to excuse such a terrible service from.a terrible operator where you at the Kings Head had 2 Quinton 9s turn.up.together when I got off my 231 there were 2 NXWM 4Hs together its just a rubbish service that makes all the excuses laughable. Remember I only comment on the journeys i have actually used
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 12:46:21 AM
The post you quoted from @Tony was yet again an attempt to excuse such a terrible service from.a terrible operator where you at the Kings Head had 2 Quinton 9s turn.up.together when I got off my 231 there were 2 NXWM 4Hs together its just a rubbish service that makes all the excuses laughable.
From what I saw last Friday, the services were running late due to heavy congestion and lots of services were having problems. So what Tony said is correct.
Have to presume you don't look out the window when your on the bus either, so have never seen any of the congestion.
Presumably this 231 Service isn't a major service and doesn't go through many congestion points either then.
Not sure why it even matters that a service was running late on December 20th (a day when there was major congestion) a whole week later.
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2019, 12:51:56 AM
From what I saw last Friday, the services were running late due to heavy congestion and lots of services were having problems.
Have to presume you don't look out the window when your on the bus either, so have never seen any of the congestion.
Presumably this 231 Service isn't a major service and doesn't go through many congestion points either then.
Not sure why it even matters that a service was running late late on December 20th a whole week later.
I didnt bring it up someone quoted a post from last Friday but Hagley Rd was running free last Friday I used it there were no hold ups the pittifull level of service on the X8 & PN9.was due to incompetence of the operator not the traffic there was NO congestion & today if NXWM cant run a reliable sunday service on Boxing Day which I used today when can they?
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2019, 01:13:02 AM
You did bring it up.
I quoted last Fridays shambles as the last example of what we have to put up with in Blackheath on the X8 it wasnt bought up as a random afterthought but the last time I attempted to use it, you quoted Tonys reply post from last Friday which was frankly ridiculous as there were no delays on Hagley Rd. I have no interest in last Friday other than than when the X8 failed to turn up as ever at its timetabled departure time if it wasn't for Diamond Bus 4H arriving I would have missed my appointment for my my biopsy for a test for cancer at the QE which is disgracefull so no one on this forum defend West Midlands Travel Ltd for their utter incompetence in running a decent bus service in Blackheath on the X8 you dont have to use it I do.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 01:19:33 AM
I quoted last Fridays shambles as the last example of what we have to put up with in Blackheath on the X8 it wasnt bought up as a random afterthought but the last time I attempted to use it, you quoted Tonys reply post from last Friday which was frankly ridiculous as there were no delays on Hagley Rd. I have no interest in last Friday other than than when the X8 failed to turn up as ever at its timetabled departure time if it wasn't for Diamond Bus 4H arriving I would have missed my appointment for my my biopsy for a test for cancer at the QE which is disgracefull so no one on this forum defend West Midlands Travel Ltd for their utter incompetence in running a decent bus service in Blackheath on the X8 you dont have to use it I do.
I was enjoying reading the WEST DUDLEY consultation thread and it has become the X8/Wolverhampton/Blackheath services are a shambles bashing thread.
Will you just shut up and talk about the above topic? The only reason the X8 should be brought up in this thread is the fact it's going interworking with the new 8!!!
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 27, 2019, 08:51:15 AM
I was enjoying reading the WEST DUDLEY consultation thread and it has become the X8/Wolverhampton/Blackheath services are a shambles bashing thread.
Will you just shut up and talk about the above topic? The only reason the X8 should be brought up in this thread is the fact it's going interworking with the new 8!!!
Yes a what an utter shambles that will be interworking with another board NXWM cant even operate it now without this idiotic plan from 26th January 2020 an nightmare prospect from a nightmare of a bus company god help us.
Quote from: TinnedPeaches on December 27, 2019, 09:08:55 AM
This thread has become a complete joke. I don't come on here very often, but was interested to see the updates as there appeared to be many. Sifting through pages of off-topic negativity really turns me off using this otherwise excellent site. I'm sure I speak for numerous other users when I say: Please start new threads for general service bashing rather than cluttering up threads named for other distinct purposes.
I fail to see how the plans for the X8 from 26th January 2020 are not part of this thread as the service is clearly listed in the West Dudley Consultation Section of the NXWM website with a link to its new timetable if viewed or am I missing something?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 09:30:48 AM
I fail to see how the plans for the X8 from 26th January 2020 are not part of this thread as the service is clearly listed in the West Dudley Consultation Section of the NXWM website with a link to its new timetable if viewed or am I missing something?
- The route of the X8 will not change. Buses will still run between Wolverhampton, Dudley and Birmingham up to every 20 minutes. The only bit that's changed for the X8 is the short runs are gone and interworking (which you can not judge before it starts) You do not know how much layover the buses will get at Wolverhampton which will compensate for any late working, duplicating certain runnings to help with peaks and timetables adjusted for any problem departures.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 27, 2019, 09:49:29 AM
- The route of the X8 will not change. Buses will still run between Wolverhampton, Dudley and Birmingham up to every 20 minutes. The only bit that's changed for the X8 is the short runs are gone and interworking (which you can not judge before it starts) You do not know how much layover the buses will get at Wolverhampton which will compensate for any late working, duplicating certain runnings to help with peaks and timetables adjusted for any problem departures.
Thats the problem why have a consultation and not change anything this was the ideal oppprtunity to revise the X8 the new timetable is as bad as the old one and who in.the right minds wants a bus from Wolverhampton.to Birmingham via Blackheath every 20mins its the stupidst idea since the 993 & 994 NXWM have missed the oportunity to restore faith in it and sort the rotten service out typical of NXWM they listern.to no one after this failed so called consultation the sooner we get a QEP the better and thats what I am trying to persuade The Mayor to persue this as part of his reelection campgain after this abject failure.
The X8 is included in the consultation which people clearly didn't read, so it has a relevance here...
And to whoever whinged about the 4M, guess what that's what happens at this time of year on that route, gets stuck at every traffic hotspot and Merry Hill traffic clearly isn't helping, so what's the point in whinging about it?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
Thats the problem why have a consultation and not change anything this was the ideal oppprtunity to revise the X8 the new timetable is as bad as the old one and who in.the right minds wants a bus from Wolverhampton.to Birmingham via Blackheath every 20mins its the stupidst idea since the 993 & 994 NXWM have missed the oportunity to restore faith in it and sort the rotten service out typical of NXWM they listern.to no one after this failed so called consultation the sooner we get a QEP the better and thats what I am trying to persuade The Mayor to persue this as part of his reelection campgain after this abject failure.
To be honest I think the bulk of people using the X8 either use it between Wolverhampton and Dudley or Dudley and Birmingham.
Isn't the X8 the quickest between Brum and Dudley out of all the services?
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
The X8 is included in the consultation which people clearly didn't read, so it has a relevance here...
And to whoever whinged about the 4M, guess what that's what happens at this time of year on that route, gets stuck at every traffic hotspot and Merry Hill traffic clearly isn't helping, so what's the point in whinging about it?
The X8 was included in the consultation but no changes made to the route just the timetable changes to compass the interworking with the 8.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 27, 2019, 01:46:14 PM
To be honest I think the bulk of people using the X8 either use it between Wolverhampton and Dudley or Dudley and Birmingham.
Isn't the X8 the quickest between Brum and Dudley out of all the services?
The X8 was included in the consultation but no changes made to the route just the timetable changes to compass the interworking with the 8.
Personally I'd say the 126 is the fastest still, seeing that it doesn't serve the entirety of Hagley Road West, Quinton, Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixon's Green... that's my opinion not what the other guy thinks...
Still a shame about the X7 but I blame the poor advertising...
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
Personally I'd say the 126 is the fastest still, seeing that it doesn't serve the entirety of Hagley Road West, Quinton, Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixon's Green... that's my opinion not what the other guy thinks...
Still a shame about the X7 but I blame the poor advertising...
I agree with that the X7 wasn't advertised as much X8 was two route already well used merged into one whilst the X7 was an express running of the 87 but missing out tividale and smethwock high street
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 27, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
I agree with that the X7 wasn't advertised as much X8 was two route already well used merged into one whilst the X7 was an express running of the 87 but missing out tividale and smethwock high street
And missing out Birchley Island to make is faster than the 126... the X7 missed out all of Cape Hill and the length of Winson Green.
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
Personally I'd say the 126 is the fastest still, seeing that it doesn't serve the entirety of Hagley Road West, Quinton, Blackheath, Rowley Village and Dixon's Green... that's my opinion not what the other guy thinks...
Still a shame about the X7 but I blame the poor advertising...
Yes I fully agree
@Jack I cannot see why NXWM do not operate a X8 all stops Wolverhampton.- Dudley - Birchley Crossings - Amber Tavern then Limited Stop to Colmore Row to replace 126 as its far far quicker on that route than via Rowley Road and have a half hourly 9A Dudley to Birmingham via Blackheath using all stops the current situiation is just madness with no stopping service from Quinton.Stag
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 01:56:36 PM
Yes I fully agree @Jack I cannot see why NXWM do not operate a X8 all stops Wolverhampton.- Dudley - Birchley Crossings - Amber Tavern then Limited Stop to Colmore Row to replace 126 as its fat quicker on that route and have a half hourly 9A Dudley to Birmingham via Blackheath using all stops the current situiation is just madness.
That still wouldn't work... you'd have to it limited stop along Wolves Road and cut out Birchley, however works at the island are to start this time next year so if the 126 could use the proposed under pass that would save the queueing at the lights... unless you reintroduce the 140... then Blackheath doesn't need to keep on being messed about with... or does Rowley Regis as a whole.
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 01:59:59 PM
That still wouldn't work... you'd have to it limited stop along Wolves Road and cut out Birchley, however works at the island are to start this time next year so if the 126 could use the proposed under pass that would save the queueing at the lights... unless you reintroduce the 140... then Blackheath doesn't need to keep on being messed about with... or does Rowley Regis as a whole.
Fair point I use the 9A and not 140 to make it easier for customers to Quinton to understand it follows the same route and stops along Hagley Rd .
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 02:03:06 PM
Fair point I use the 9A and not 140 to make it easier for customers to Quinton to understand it follows the same route and stops along Hagley Rd .
Unless they was to introduce a service to Blackheath from Brum going via Wolves Road and then along Penncricket Lane to the Oldbury Road? That would save time as the traffic along Long Lane can build?
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 02:05:24 PM
Unless they was to introduce a service to Blackheath from Brum going via Wolves Road and then along Penncricket Lane to the Oldbury Road? That would save time as the traffic along Long Lane can build?
Funny enough pre 258 the old 127 more or less did that route from 1980 untill the mid 90s every 20 minuets.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 27, 2019, 02:08:06 PM
Funny enough pre 258 the old 127 more or less did that route from 1980 untill the mid 90s.
It does save time and cut out traffic. Which route did the 258 take?
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
It does save time and cut out traffic. Which route did the 258 take?
The 258 followed the current 13A route but followed the 12 from.Bearwood not Portland Rd. The old 127 ran along Hagley Rd and turned at Amber Tavern went along Wolverhampton Rd and turned by the Sizzler pub up into Brandhall while the 127A continued down Wolverhampton Rd and turned into Pound Rd & Pencricket Lane missing out Brandhall to The Fairfield that ran for about 15 years before the 258 which initally ironically was Wolverhampton to Bham via Merry Hill & Blackheath it was like the X8 hopelessly unreliable and was cut to Merry Hill to Brum with the 260 to Wolves as you see
@Jack I have been down this road before & sucessfully campagined to get the.old route back so whatever
@Tony & others think I wont rest till I get my old half hourly all stops 140 back whatever it takes I am in the process of preparing a business case for QEP.to be presented to the WMCA & seperatly I am.arranging a Government pettiton.for the matter of the X8.to be raised by our local MP in a private members debate on.a Friday in.the House of Commons ..
Next up.I will do a full route audit after 26/1/20 basically what I did till last month in my old HM.GOV job before I resigned you need stats and a sound modal base to change anything
@Jack trust me!
The 258 was a poxy route in my opinion. Never understood it and the ever changing 99, 138, 139 etc. I understood it when the 141 was introduced.
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
The 258 was a poxy route in my opinion. Never understood it and the ever changing 99, 138, 139 etc. I understood it when the 141 was introduced.
The 258 was an odd route I agree it was far better when replaced by the 127 now the 13A & became a lot more reliable which continues to this day. I tend to use the 13A a lot at work and have no complaints about it.
This thread is for the discussion of West Dudley Consultation changes ONLY! Winston
Where are WN getting these platinums from for the 8? I've yet to see it answered anywhere
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 28, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Where are WN getting these platinums from for the 8? I've yet to see it answered anywhere
I guess 6759-61 would go back to WN? So that's 3
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 28, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Where are WN getting these platinums from for the 8? I've yet to see it answered anywhere
That's because I don't do advance transfrrs
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 28, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Where are WN getting these platinums from for the 8? I've yet to see it answered anywhere
We don't know where (if indeed they're moving), the recent YW Platinums are going when the electrics E400 Cities arrive. However you could imagine a situation where the 45 or so 43xx Tridents WN had earlier in the year are replaced ultimately by 9 X 54xx, 9 X 49xx, 9 X 21xx and 18 Platinums (or 18 of something else, for example further 49xx if those Platinums are cascaded say to BC for 45/7).
I guess we will find out in January or thereabouts.
I'm also curious that DU are gaining 18 buses but currently only 9 are moving out - I suspect there'll be 9 withdrawals (46xx/701x Gemini?).
@don - I'll reply within your message to save it going off topic any further with more messages, Tony's has confirmed on the Dundee Forum that the 9 x E200MMC's at Dundee will directly replace 9 x 17** Volvo/Wright to keep the single/double proportion as at present, Winston
(Sorry Winston - this is probably way off topic...)
Here is all the offical changed here
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/west-dudley-and-south-wolverhampton-service-changes-from-26th-january-2020
Quote from: asv321 on December 31, 2019, 03:18:13 PM
Here is all the offical changed here
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/west-dudley-and-south-wolverhampton-service-changes-from-26th-january-2020
Didnt I post this link the day it was agreed with TfWM or am I missing something?
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 31, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Didnt I post this link the day it was agreed with TfWM or am I missing something?
Yes but there has been several pages since that was posted so the poster may of missed your post
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 31, 2019, 04:03:13 PM
Yes but there has been several pages since that was posted so the poster may of missed your post
Fair Play most of it sadly was my drivel.
@Tony the new timetables which were available on the NXBus website are now not loading, you just get an error message!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 06, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
@Tony the new timetables which were available on the NXBus website are now not loading, you just get an error message!
The timetables that were down should now be working (up) now. I have just had conformation about this from a contact in NX.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 07, 2020, 09:03:26 AM
The timetables that were down should now be working (up) now. I have just had conformation about this from a contact in NX.
Thanks
@Bus Man K2 all back up and running!
Are the new 15/16 going to interwork?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 07, 2020, 10:31:09 PM
Are the new 15/16 going to interwork?
Doesn't look like it, for the main part of the day anyway!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 07, 2020, 11:17:05 PM
Doesn't look like it, for the main part of the day anyway!
Would like to see the 15/16 branded up for the new changes
The Diamond website now has the new 17A timetable for evening and Sunday services.
@Tony I know you don't comment on individual vehicle transfers until they occur are there likely to b many taking place due to these timetable changes?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 17, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
@Tony I know you don't comment on individual vehicle transfers until they occur are there likely to b many taking place due to these timetable changes?
There's about 15 vehicles due in to PN (including 4754/7/61 already there) with the same leaving (including 6761 already gone). WN lose & gain around 6 different vehicle. Walsall now have their 2 extra vehicles they need (4345/9). WB are due 11 more in and 7 more out - And Coventry lose 1!
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2020, 06:58:17 PM
There's about 15 vehicles due in to PN (including 4754/7/61 already there) with the same leaving (including 6761 already gone). WN lose & gain around 6 different vehicle. Walsall now have their 2 extra vehicles they need (4345/9). WB are due 11 more in and 7 more out - And Coventry lose 1!
Thank you
@Tony
Bus stops around wrenna nest been changed and new timetable put along the rest of the 8 route
And the good honest people of the wrenna not happy bunnys about loosing there merry hill link
Quote from: karl724223 on January 22, 2020, 09:35:07 PM
Bus stops around wrenna nest been changed and new timetable put along the rest of the 8 route
And the good honest people of the wrenna not happy bunnys about loosing there merry hill link
How do you think people who live in East Birmingham feel about their links being removed? Is there even a need for the 8 to extend to Wolves anyway? The X8 serves the Wolverhampton -Parkfield-Roseville-Dudley link well.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 22, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
How do you think people who live in East Birmingham feel about their links being removed? Is there even a need for the 8 to extend to Wolves anyway? The X8 serves the Wolverhampton -Parkfield-Roseville-Dudley link well.
The current X8 shorts are being merged with the current 8 to form a new through service.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 22, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
How do you think people who live in East Birmingham feel about their links being removed? Is there even a need for the 8 to extend to Wolves anyway? The X8 serves the Wolverhampton -Parkfield-Roseville-Dudley link well.
Which links have been lost?
The only place I can think of is areas served by the old 26. An inconvenience for local children attending Hodge Hill school like I used to, but that's easily rectifiable with an only slightly longer walk using the 55 or 94.
Quote from: Gareth on January 23, 2020, 12:14:51 AM
Which links have been lost?
The only place I can think of is areas served by the old 26. An inconvenience for local children attending Hodge Hill school like I used to, but that's easily rectifiable with an only slightly longer walk using the 55 or 94.
People who live on the 97 route who have lost their direct link to the Airport. They have to get off at Chelmsley Wood and then wait for the X12 which takes forever to get to the Airport in the first place.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 23, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
People who live on the 97 route who have lost their direct link to the Airport. They have to get off at Chelmsley Wood and then wait for the X12 which takes forever to get to the Airport in the first place.
Surely the timing of the X12 and 97A were virtually the same?
Quote from: Dutsey on January 23, 2020, 01:27:51 PM
Surely the timing of the X12 and 97A were virtually the same?
Don't think so
Quote from: Gareth on January 23, 2020, 12:14:51 AM
Which links have been lost?
The only place I can think of is areas served by the old 26. An inconvenience for local children attending Hodge Hill school like I used to, but that's easily rectifiable with an only slightly longer walk using the 55 or 94.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 23, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
People who live on the 97 route who have lost their direct link to the Airport. They have to get off at Chelmsley Wood and then wait for the X12 which takes forever to get to the Airport in the first place.
Quote from: Dutsey on January 23, 2020, 01:27:51 PM
Surely the timing of the X12 and 97A were virtually the same?
I didn't realise the West of Dudley had expanded to cover Chelmsley Wood - please keep this thread on-topic chaps, thank you.
Can we please stick to the topic and not digress on other change which have happened to other services which don't even come near the affected area.
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2020, 11:00:39 PM
The current X8 shorts are being merged with the current 8 to form a new through service.
My only concern with the new 8 is that the X8 will take priority, so if an 8 is running late, it will no doubt be turned at Merry Hill or Stourbridge so that the bus can get back to Wolverhampton to take up it's X8.
IMO the 8 could have been extended to Wolverhampton but it could have also been extended from Stourbridge to Wolverhampton via the 16 route therefore forming a circular route.
The Wollaston Farm portion of the 8 could have been combined with the Stourbridge to Wollaston Junction portion of the 7!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 23, 2020, 11:31:50 PM
My only concern with the new 8 is that the X8 will take priority, so if an 8 is running late, it will no doubt be turned at Merry Hill or Stourbridge so that the bus can get back to Wolverhampton to take up it's X8.
IMO the 8 could have been extended to Wolverhampton but it could have also been extended from Stourbridge to Wolverhampton via the 16 route therefore forming a circular route.
The Wollaston Farm portion of the 8 could have been combined with the Stourbridge to Wollaston Junction portion of the 7!
There's far too many traffic bottlenecks on route & it's far too long. Reliability is almost certainly going to be affected along the common X8 sections & the Wollaston end.
The proposal for extending the 2 to Wolves was the most ridiculous one to date.....
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2020, 11:43:04 PM
There's far too many traffic bottlenecks on route & it's far too long. Reliability is almost certainly going to be affected along the common X8 sections & the Wollaston end.
The proposal for extending the 2 to Wolves was the most ridiculous one to date.....
Thankfully they did listen to people concerning the 2 route, it suffers enough problems during rush hour around Russells Hall and Pensnett without adding the 82 route to it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 23, 2020, 11:45:53 PM
Thankfully they did listen to people concerning the 2 route, it suffers enough problems during rush hour around Russells Hall and Pensnett without adding the 82 route to it!
I'm surprised that proposal was even made public, surely the depot managers & staff would have plenty to say against it before well before it reached us.
Weird seeing an X8 branded platinum on the 8 in merry hill. Likewise weird seeing a Scania on the 11
6762 -6787- and a 679# is on the New 8
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 26, 2020, 10:20:54 AM
Weird seeing an X8 branded platinum on the 8 in merry hill. Likewise weird seeing a Scania on the 11
Scanias can be frequently seen on the WA11.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 26, 2020, 12:05:55 PM
Scanias can be frequently seen on the WA11.
I think he means seeing a Scania in Merry Hill displaying 11, not the fact there is an Omnilink on there.
Are the drivers for the new WN8 not familiar with Stourbridge Bus Station, twice today have seen a Platinum going around the island opposite the bus station exit having carried straight on instead of branching right when arriving from Wolverhampton.
Very early days I know but saw an 8 arriving at Merry Hill from Wolverhampton with a very healthy load.
I can confirm that allocations on WN 15 and 16 are the same as before. 15 had 8 x E400 this morning while 16 had 5 x E400 and 2 x MMC. An extra bus - 2081! - went into service on the 16 at about 14:00 and since then the 15 and 16 have inter worked at Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Roy on January 27, 2020, 04:05:42 PM
I can confirm that allocations on WN 15 and 16 are the same as before. 15 had 8 x E400 this morning while 16 had 5 x E400 and 2 x MMC. An extra bus - 2081! - went into service on the 16 at about 14:00 and since then the 15 and 16 have inter worked at Wolverhampton.
One for you to note. The 16:16 16 from Wolverhampton and 17:35 from Stourbridge is worked from Pensnett depot; on running board 17/01. As it's allocated as an Enviro 200 (835 today), it left Wolverhampton rather busy. Not the wisest scheduling decision they've made...
The bus times (Paper) on the Kingswinford cross are showing the wrong times (flags are done) , surely TfWM are given amble time to prepare for such big changes yet the day after the change wrong information is provide.
The NX bus app (new one) is not tracking the new routes either
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 27, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
The bus times (Paper) on the Kingswinford cross are showing the wrong times (flags are done) , surely TfWM are given amble time to prepare for such big changes yet the day after the change wrong information is provide.
The NX bus app (new one) is not tracking the new routes either
Hi
@SL 16 YPN yes they are given amble time to update at stop information, but then thay have to distribute the information through a out sourced company. Which the company they use often don't change information in time for changes like these.
With regards to the app NX have said to re-download the old NX app (the one that only shows, times and not a map of the route) as the (new one) doesn't work that well. Although the new app does still work there are no updates for this app. If you type in the search box NX Bus on Google play it will give you the old app only.
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2020, 05:58:19 PM
One for you to note. The 16:16 16 from Wolverhampton and 17:35 from Stourbridge is worked from Pensnett depot; on running board 17/01. As it's allocated as an Enviro 200 (835 today), it left Wolverhampton rather busy. Not the wisest scheduling decision they've made...
and yet (and again it's early days) but the 5 appears to be a decker?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 27, 2020, 07:21:23 PM
and yet (and again it's early days) but the 5 appears to be a decker?
Being 'rather busy' is a good thing, leaving people behind is not.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2020, 07:22:37 PM
Being 'rather busy' is a good thing, leaving people behind is not.
@Tony the 5 a busy route, needs a single decker, probably a mini bus or taxi.
Saw it at 10am with 1 person on board.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2020, 07:22:37 PM
Being 'rather busy' is a good thing, leaving people behind is not.
Sorry, replying about the comment at Wolverhampton, just replied to the wrong thread.
PN have E200s away for trap fitting and one transfer not yet arrived, along with 829 in refurb and 756 major accident repairs. Most E200 routes can take a trident but not a B7RLE, that is why deckers turn up in unlikely places
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2020, 07:35:59 PM
Sorry, replying about the comment at Wolverhampton, just replied to the wrong thread.
PN have E200s away for trap fitting and one transfer not yet arrived, along with 829 in refurb and 756 major accident repairs. Most E200 routes can take a trident but not a B7RLE, that is why deckers turn up in unlikely places
lol
@Tony thanks
I am liking the evening service with 16/17A roughly three buses an hour until 9pm then half a hourly TIL 12
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2020, 07:35:59 PM
Sorry, replying about the comment at Wolverhampton, just replied to the wrong thread.
PN have E200s away for trap fitting and one transfer not yet arrived, along with 829 in refurb and 756 major accident repairs. Most E200 routes can take a trident but not a B7RLE, that is why deckers turn up in unlikely places
The 5 can take a B7RLE as it used to be the regular allocation when it used to run Dudley - Kingswinford.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on January 28, 2020, 06:33:04 AM
The 5 can take a B7RLE as it used to be the regular allocation when it used to run Dudley - Kingswinford.
Volvo BI0BS were regulars on it when it was the 205 & ran thru to Rowley Regis
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on January 28, 2020, 06:33:04 AM
The 5 can take a B7RLE as it used to be the regular allocation when it used to run Dudley - Kingswinford.
As it was when it went to Blackheath, 0405N's were common too. But the route has changed about 100 times in the last few years!
Quote from: Jack on January 28, 2020, 11:15:02 AM
As it was when it went to Blackheath, 0405N's were common too. But the route has changed about 100 times in the last few years!
Exactly, but everytime the route changes it doesn't seem to improve patronage.
To me I wonder whether the money being used to run and subsidise this route could be used for a better purpose.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2020, 11:32:12 AM
Exactly, but everytime the route changes it doesn't seem to improve patronage.
To me I wonder whether the money being used to run and subsidise this route could be used for a better purpose.
Maybe the 5 could serve some of the estates opp Pensnett trading estate and maybe go up dreadnought way and back down tansey green road? Or bring back the old 261? Giving womborne and himley a direct link to Russell's hall hospital?
The 8 are confusing some of WN drivers, ones come into merry hill for Wollaston Farm and drove to Stand F (suppose to board at Stand C) and drove off back to Wollaston. Supposedly one 8 got stuck in penfields road due to car parking issues (people trying to avoid paying at Corbett Hospital)
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 28, 2020, 07:12:15 AM
Volvo BI0BS were regulars on it when it was the 205 & ran thru to Rowley Regis
The 140/241 & 258 used to get a couple too
Nice to see that NX couldn't be bothered to update their website to show the new route maps and stops of the changed routes... and some routes that haven't even got any maps or the list of stops available...
Quote from: Jack on February 02, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
Nice to see that NX couldn't be bothered to update their website to show the new route maps and stops of the changed routes... and some routes that haven't even got any maps or the list of stops available...
Hi
@Jack I will let the NX Marketing/Web team know about this and ask them to amend where needed.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 02, 2020, 02:28:33 PM
Hi @Jack I will let the NX Marketing/Web team know about this and ask them to amend where needed.
I will let TfWM know tomorrow thanks for the information
@Jack
Quote from: richardjones210368 on February 02, 2020, 02:35:29 PM
I will let TfWM know tomorrow thanks for the information @Jack
Hi
@richardjones210368 I don't thing he's talking about TfWM's website. I think he's talking about NX. This is why I am contacying NX tomorrow.
Quote from: Jack on February 02, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
Nice to see that NX couldn't be bothered to update their website to show the new route maps and stops of the changed routes... and some routes that haven't even got any maps or the list of stops available...
Same for the X22, stops between University North Gate and Smallbrook Queensway aren't listed on their website. Not as if the X22 is a new service either.
Same for the 55 which still has stops listed on Stechford Road and Stechford Lane.
And will the X20/X21/X22 buses ever receive the internal platinum route branding and maps, similar to those the WN 8/X8 already have.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on February 02, 2020, 02:39:41 PM
Hi @richardjones210368 I don't thing he's talking about TfWM's website. I think he's talking about NX. This is why I am contacying NX tomorrow.
Yes I understand but I thought TfWM should be aware that the NXWM website is incorrect.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on February 02, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
Yes I understand but I thought TfWM should be aware that the NXWM website is incorrect.
I see where you're coming from. However it's NX's problem not TfWM's.
Quote from: 2206 on February 02, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
And will the X20/X21/X22 buses ever receive the internal platinum route branding and maps, similar to those the WN 8/X8 already have.
It's probably going to happen if they change up the routes again
Quote from: mesub on February 02, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
It's probably going to happen if they change up the routes again
Don't think there are any changes due in the near future.
Surely like the X8 and now the 8/X8, they can give them internal branding and update it if and when any changes occur.
https://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/18266651.elderly-people-dudley-street-cut-off-bus-changes/
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 27, 2020, 07:48:50 PM
https://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/18266651.elderly-people-dudley-street-cut-off-bus-changes/
Buses must stop at everyone's houses, they can't walk beyond the end of their garden for a bus....
Ffs
These people are exactly why Assisted Transport exists
Quote from: Kevin on February 27, 2020, 08:34:34 PM
Buses must stop at everyone's houses, they can't walk beyond the end of their garden for a bus....
Ffs
These people are exactly why Assisted Transport exists
Apparently most residents over 90. I doubt this is true either