Poll
Question:
Which of the hybrids do you prefer?
Option 1: Volvo B5LH
votes: 45
Option 2: Enviro400H
votes: 37
Is it possible that Birmighams Hyrbid buses can be placed on other routes in Birmingham not just the 22/23 on Sundays, becuase if im correct the 22/23 only need 4 buses as they operate every 30 mins. So therfore meaning there is still 14 hyrbid buses left over
IF ITS POSSIBLE some could be placed elsewhere on Sundays to Brighten some routes up e.g. some on the 24/97/14 probally the 61/63/45/47 if theres any left just to Brighten the routes up a little. Or is that not possible ?
I think it would look qutie nice to see a Hybrid bus working the 14 of a Sunday or on the 97 i know a Hybrid Volvo B5L got onto the 97 before an looked quite good on there in my eyes .
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Is it possible for NXWM to invest in some more of these great buses for other garage e.g. WB/YW/PB
Hybrids do run the 24 from time to time, and I have seen them making an appearance on Sunday's. It would seem logical to use them (presuming drivers are type trained!). I suppose the lack of use on Sundays is probably the reason they're still shiny, compared to the diesel Enviro400s we had around the same time (although they aren't too bad!)... they must be given a good polishing each weekend! :)
I must say BC hyrbids are very clean, no graffiti, no little, no burn marks in the seats just how all uses should be
Even buses deserve a day off! ;D
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Is it possible that Birmighams Hyrbid buses can be placed on other routes in Birmingham not just the 22/23 on Sundays, becuase if im correct the 22/23 only need 4 buses as they operate every 30 mins. So therfore meaning there is still 14 hyrbid buses left over
IF ITS POSSIBLE some could be placed elsewhere on Sundays to Brighten some routes up e.g. some on the 24/97/14 probally the 61/63/45/47 if theres any left just to Brighten the routes up a little. Or is that not possible ?
I think it would look qutie nice to see a Hybrid bus working the 14 of a Sunday or on the 97 i know a Hybrid Volvo B5L got onto the 97 before an looked quite good on there in my eyes .
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Is it possible for NXWM to invest in some more of these great buses for other garage e.g. WB/YW/PB
They have already appeared on the 97, Tony has a photo somewhere. Did see one in Selly Oak one morning but it had it's warning lights on and didn't look like moving. Would be great though to see them on more routes, other than the 22,23 and 24
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Is it possible for NXWM to invest in some more of these great buses for other garage e.g. WB/YW/PB
Yes, Wolverhampton garage will be getting some next year for their 1 service (Dudley to Tettenhall Wood via Wolverhampton).
Only 1 has apperaed on the 97 which is shame as they look quite at home on that route, would be amazing if the 900 got allocated some Hyrbids for Coventry - Birmingham ;D ;D ;D or the 957 Birmingham - Solihull
P.s. I dont think they would look nice at WN, when they arrive at WN it would be nice to see the odd few appear on the 79, 126 possibbly the 255, i also have noticed that the odd WN B7RLE appears on the 255 of a daytime
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Only 1 has apperaed on the 97 which is shame as they look quite at home on that route, would be amazing if the 900 got allocated some Hyrbids for Coventry - Birmingham ;D ;D ;D or the 957 Birmingham - Solihull
There is one on the 97 most days in the afternoon
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 07:34:27 PM
P.s. I dont think they would look nice at WN, when they arrive at WN it would be nice to see the odd few appear on the 79, 126 possibbly the 255, i also have noticed that the odd WN B7RLE appears on the 255 of a daytime
Remember that hybrids suit stop start traffic routes as that's how they use less fuel (by using the electric). I say this before you suggest the X51 or similar, for which the mpg would be pretty much the same as a diesel or not far off.
The 11 would be a good candidate (even thought non are at AG) as thats a good stop start route. However you would need a lot for the PVR of the 11.
What type of bus are they getting?
Quote from: Stu on April 18, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Is it possible for NXWM to invest in some more of these great buses for other garage e.g. WB/YW/PB
Yes, Wolverhampton garage will be getting some next year for their 1 service (Dudley to Tettenhall Wood via Wolverhampton).
Quote from: 4504 on April 18, 2012, 11:34:24 PM
What type of bus are they getting?
Quote from: Stu on April 18, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 18, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Is it possible for NXWM to invest in some more of these great buses for other garage e.g. WB/YW/PB
Yes, Wolverhampton garage will be getting some next year for their 1 service (Dudley to Tettenhall Wood via Wolverhampton).
No one knows yet, but I'd imagin it would be eithier E400H or the Volvo B5H being as the funding was for double decker buses. May split the order again like last time
I hope WN get the ADL Enviro 400H as to me they seem a far nicer vehicle to the Volvo and seat around 20 more people I believe. There also much better looking and the hybrid system is certainly far smoother. My only concern though is that WN don't have any ADL vehicles so might opt for the Volvo's which in my opinion anyway are the inferior choice.
Quote from: wilmotm on April 19, 2012, 09:42:35 AM
I hope WN get the ADL Enviro 400H as to me they seem a far nicer vehicle to the Volvo and seat around 20 more people I believe. There also much better looking and the hybrid system is certainly far smoother. My only concern though is that WN don't have any ADL vehicles so might opt for the Volvo's which in my opinion anyway are the inferior choice.
Havn't wolverhampton got a large number of ADL trident 2's
Oh yes sorry, I associate true ADL vehicles with the Enviro range I suppose, but I think most of WN's are Transbus and Dennis ones?
WNs 45**-46** are a bit random, some sound like transbus tridents, while some sound like Dennis tridents, but they're hard to differentiate between because they both have tv screens and tree deflectors
I saw another hybrid on the 24, do they just use the spare hybrids that aren't on the 22/23 on the 24?
4565-84 (the126 branded ones) have a slightly different engin or make a different noise to the others. The Spare Hybrds are often used on the 24 (saw 5501 on it today) but can also be seen on the 97 as well.
4586 had an experimental Euro 4 engine for some time, a prototype for the Enviro 400. Has it still got it?
I'm not sure. I was on 4579 today, noticeably, 4186 doesn't sound like other Dennis tridents
Quote from: Stevo on April 19, 2012, 06:12:23 PM
4586 had an experimental Euro 4 engine for some time, a prototype for the Enviro 400. Has it still got it?
yes, the adl e400s are miles better than the volvos-why does anyone want them?
According to both Buses Magazine and Coach and Bus Weekly, NXWM have just ordered 9 Volvo B5LH hybrids. There is no news on what the other 12 buses in the 2012/2013 hybrid order will be. If the other 12 turn out to be Enviro 400H's, it will be interesting to see if the 9 new Volvos join the other 9 at BC, with the Enviro 400H's going to WN.
Quote from: Roy on April 19, 2012, 08:12:10 PM
According to both Buses Magazine and Coach and Bus Weekly, NXWM have just ordered 9 Volvo B5LH hybrids. There is no news on what the other 12 buses in the 2012/2013 hybrid order will be. If the other 12 turn out to be Enviro 400H's, it will be interesting to see if the 9 new Volvos join the other 9 at BC, with the Enviro 400H's going to WN.
That's the plan. BC will lose one type of Hybrid.
Oh right-I didnt know that tho I can see it makes sense.....
Could the engine be the same as the 41** and 43** tridents, cause it sounds exactly the same. Would be nice to see some single decker hybrids, I wonder what chassis would be available
Quote from: Phil on April 19, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
4565-84 (the126 branded ones) have a slightly different engin or make a different noise to the others. The Spare Hybrds are often used on the 24 (saw 5501 on it today) but can also be seen on the 97 as well.
Quote from: 4504 on April 19, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
Could the engine be the same as the 41** and 43** tridents, cause it sounds exactly the same. Would be nice to see some single decker hybrids, I wonder what chassis would be available
Quote from: Phil on April 19, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
4565-84 (the126 branded ones) have a slightly different engin or make a different noise to the others. The Spare Hybrds are often used on the 24 (saw 5501 on it today) but can also be seen on the 97 as well.
The engines are all the same! 4425 onwards are fitted with a ZF gear box, whilst the previous ones have a Voith box. Voith box ones basically have 3 gears, whilst ZF ones have more. When the vehicle is in idle, the ZF ones just rattle like a normal engine whilst the Voith make a high pitch sound.
Edit: I'm not sure about 4565 - 84 which a mentioned above.
Quote from: 4504 on April 19, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
Could the engine be the same as the 41** and 43** tridents, cause it sounds exactly the same. Would be nice to see some single decker hybrids, I wonder what chassis would be available
Quote from: Phil on April 19, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
4565-84 (the126 branded ones) have a slightly different engin or make a different noise to the others. The Spare Hybrds are often used on the 24 (saw 5501 on it today) but can also be seen on the 97 as well.
Yeah, they do sound the same, only they have one more gear they can go to like Michael said
was on 4552 earlier, and that sounds more beefy than my trip home, same driver but 4305 on return to dudley. This seemed to rev higher and not change as much. I take it then this one 4305 has a voith box.
The latter Wolverhampton Tridents (126 branded ones, and a few others I think but don't know exact numbers) are also Voith, and I presume (but not certain) that the Pershore Road 46xx Tridents are also Voith (if anyone can confirm that'd be great!). Basically, the Y-TOHs, BX02s and BV52s are all voith, with the BJ03s, BL53s being ZF. There is then a split with some BU04s being ZF, some being voith. Its been that long since I travelled on a BX54, I can't remember what they are! To avoid questions like this further down, all of the B7TLs are ZF except the ALX400s which are voith - apparently the Coventry Gemini's are also Voith, but I've had conflicting stories on this one!
Im sure the 54 reg tridents are ZF and I much prefer the ZF tridents to the others
The 126 Branded ones could well be Voith (4565-84) cause they definatly make the same sound as the eailier tridents. I thinkhte Pershore Road Ones are ZF.
The 126 branded ones are definitely Voith, as they only have 3 gears! Thanks for the confirmation of the Pershore Road ones, there not vehicles I frequently travel on (and whenever I catch the 45/7 I seem to get an older Trident, or B7TL) so wasn't sure. :)
WN would look better with Volvo B5H's to be honest, Enviro400H just wouldnt look right to be fair
I hope NXWM only get e400s in future as they are far better than the Volvos!
Quote from: Peter123 on April 21, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
I hope NXWM only get e400s in future as they are far better than the Volvos!
The volvos are better, they sound better, interior looks better etc, were as the Enviroo's look just like normal Envrio400's
The Volvos are ugly with a bad interior and this is why the E400H IS britain's leading and bestselling hybrid double decker.
Of the 21 new Hybrids on order/to be ordered for WN Route 1 (early 2013), orders confirmed to date are for nine further Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini. As BC's Hybrid allocation is currently 18 for routes 22/23, I would suspect that BC will retain 5501-5509 & have 9 new ones, while WN will gain 5401-5409 from BC + 12 new Enviro 400H to standardize types at both BC & WN garages.
Quote from: NathanJC on April 21, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
WN would look better with Volvo B5H's to be honest, Enviro400H just wouldnt look right to be fair
Quote from: winston on April 21, 2012, 06:44:20 PM
Of the 21 new Hybrids on order/to be ordered for WN Route 1 (early 2013), orders confirmed to date are for nine further Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini. As BC's Hybrid allocation is currently 18 for routes 22/23, I would suspect that BC will retain 5501-5509 & have 9 new ones, while WN will gain 5401-5409 from BC + 12 new Enviro 400H to standardize types at both BC & WN garages.
Quote from: NathanJC on April 21, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
WN would look better with Volvo B5H's to be honest, Enviro400H just wouldnt look right to be fair
therfore carnt some of the new Hybrids due at BC be placed on routes 900/957/60
Peter 123, the Enviros do have more seating capacity & I thought that they were the most popular type ordered, but I you look at the confirmed orders from the latest Green Bus Fund, more operators seem to have switched to the Volvo/Wrights combination inc Arriva & Go-Ahead orders to name but a few
Quote from: Peter123 on April 21, 2012, 06:41:05 PM
The Volvos are ugly with a bad interior and this is why the E400H IS britain's leading and bestselling hybrid double decker.
No, as I suspect it will be 9 in & 9 out, therefore BC will only have the same as at present for routes 22 & 23, with any spares on the 24 or 97
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therfore carnt some of the new Hybrids due at BC be placed on routes 900/957/60
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Quote from: winston on April 21, 2012, 06:47:21 PM
Peter 123, the Enviros do have more seating capacity & I thought that they were the most popular type ordered, but I you look at the confirmed orders from the latest Green Bus Fund, more operators seem to have switched to the Volvo/Wrights combination inc Arriva & Go-Ahead orders to name but a few
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Yes, this seems a shame tho i guess Alexander Dennis still has the best hybrid range the e400, e200 and maybe we could hope for some operators trying out the e350h, which looks an interesting vehicle.
Quote from: NathanJC on April 21, 2012, 06:46:37 PM
therfore carnt some of the new Hybrids due at BC be placed on routes 900/957/60
No, because BC wouldn't be gaining any extra hybrids, just swapping some of those they already have.
Ohh ok, I thought they were gaining more, Sorry
can nx move old hybrids out to PL from BC when they are been provided for the 1 service with government money which stipulates who you can order from
I wonder what would happen to the tridents used on the 1 after the hybrids arrive
Quote from: 4504 on April 22, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
I wonder what would happen to the tridents used on the 1 after the hybrids arrive
How many new hybrids are coming? 21
How many old battered Spectras are there? 21
What will happen to the Tridents? I wonder...
Quote from: 4504 on April 22, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
I wonder what would happen to the tridents used on the 1 after the hybrids arrive
The chances are that, as WN are getting 21 hybrids, the 21 Spectras will be withdrawn. Personally, I would prefer to see the rest of the Excels withdrawn to provide extra capacity in the Wolverhampton area.
Yeah, I suppose that makes sense ;D
Quote from: Roy on April 22, 2012, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: 4504 on April 22, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
I wonder what would happen to the tridents used on the 1 after the hybrids arrive
The chances are that, as WN are getting 21 hybrids, the 21 Spectras will be withdrawn. Personally, I would prefer to see the rest of the Excels withdrawn to provide extra capacity in the Wolverhampton area.
Ok... I was only asking :(
Quote from: Michael on April 22, 2012, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: 4504 on April 22, 2012, 08:24:31 PM
I wonder what would happen to the tridents used on the 1 after the hybrids arrive
How many new hybrids are coming? 21
How many old battered Spectras are there? 21
What will happen to the Tridents? I wonder...
All spectras are exterior refurbed and digi blinds fitted recently they are going no where! another garage maybe!
It would be a shame to withdraw them after refurbs
Quote from: richie on April 22, 2012, 08:53:29 PM
All spectras are exterior refurbed and digi blinds fitted recently they are going no where! another garage maybe!
The older Mercedes will be withdrawn before the spectras
It's a pity NXWM couldn't stretch to a re-trim as well for them all, would certainly improve the internal appearances
Quote from: richie on April 22, 2012, 08:53:29 PM
All spectras are exterior refurbed and digi blinds fitted recently they are going no where! another garage maybe!
Quote from: richie on April 22, 2012, 08:53:29 PM
All spectras are exterior refurbed and digi blinds fitted recently they are going no where! another garage maybe!
I find that very unlikely. NX are already having to get rid of the Presidents from Birmingham operated routes. Thats around 99 Presidents plus 21 Spectras leaving 120 vehicles that cannot be operated within Birmingham City Centre. Where do you propose to keep them all?
Some will have to go, and considering the Presidents are in much better condition, I doubt the Spectras will remain.
Well I'd much rather see Merc's withdrawn and Excel's before the Spectra's because they have worn much better than the SD types, are undoubtedly in my opinion and a few others the most comfortable buses in the whole fleet and provide obviously extra capacity. In my mind its far better to run DD's on routes even if they aren't going to be completly full as a way of advertising public transport. In my mind having a older, slightly scruffier DD with spaces is a better advertisement than having a packed out newer SD. and how much more does it cost to run a DD really? I can't imagine the differences are that great, especially compared to the Merc's that seem to always be driven as fast as possible all the time. Long live the Spectras! If they go before the Excel's at WN it would be a great great shame and foolish in my mind as there are many still in the old livery with absolutely none having LED destination screens along with the fact as previously discussed they are fairly dreadful.
The reason the mercs seem to be driven fast is that there quicker accelerating than most buses of the same age but there great buses to be on when they get thrashed a bit.
There should be no need for any of the Presidents or Spectras to go. With around 120 double deckers not being allowed into Birmingham City Centre, that wont be any problem. Across the network, there is a higher PVR on Non Birmingham City Centre double deck routes. There may be a logistical headache with garage transfers, but all totally possible.
The Spectra's are of no problem at all to the Birmingham low emission thing, but will be going reasonably soon due to their age! The Presidents on the other hand look like they could cause a slight problem, but they could easily transfer out to WB/AG for newer buses to be transferred into Central (although that'd involve BC receiving Gemini's or ALX400 B7TLs unless some other dubious swaps happened!)
This is all my personal opinion, however silly it might sound! (sorry it is long winded!)
The President's will have to be transferred elsewhere rather than to WB I think, as only one of their current double decker operated routes does not go into Birmingham, which is the 451, which I would think takes about 14 buses on it in the peak. Unless West Brom are planning to convert other routes such as the 401, 402, 448, 449 to double decker if possible maybe to repalce B6's or 0405Ns, then West Brom would have to lose some Presidents itself, and replace them with double deckers that could go into the city centre. As it seems, there are not enough Volvo B7TL's currently at West Bromwich to cover all of the 74, 75, 80, 82, 87, 127 and 128, so that means that from somewhere, buses will have to come to West Bromwich for all of these routes that are allowed into the city centre, even if they have to introduce Tridents from Wolverhampton/Walsall to help clear Presidents from their city centre routes. Not from Perry Barr, because all of their B7TL's are needed for their own city centre routes. Acocks Green might be able to spare a few more Gemini's, but not enough for the amount that WB might need.
As for Acocks Green, I have 39 President's currently there, and the only routes that could have President's on there are the 11, 966 and the 1, so a few more Presidents could transfer there to cover these 3 routes completely, which guessing would be a total of about 55?, including spares, not forgetting that they still need enough double deckers that can enter the City Centre for the 31 and the 5, and 37 workings.
Birmingham Central still have 31 President's, all of which need to go elsewhere, the solution might be to transfer these to garages not in Birmingham like Wolverhampton, Walsall or Coventry, or maybe even Yardley Wood (for Solihull routes 49, 76 and 18) unless there is a specific reason why they can't, who can spare Trident's to replace the President's at Central. I think that the 900 could be upgraded with the 7 ex 997 Gemini's at Walsall, to replace 7 President's at BC, as there must be enough Enviro's, both old and new at Walsall to Cover the 997 and 51/X51, or even some Gemini's from Acocks Green, transferred for President's.
Somewhere it is more than likely that at least one garage will have to take in a new type of bus that they have not operated before or for a very long time, even if this is only short term until more new buses are ordered next year.
I don't think that many people will agree with what I have said, but this is just what I am thinking (with no insider knowledge of NXWM).
You've pretty much there summed up what a few other people (including myself) have already speculated on in several other topics in this forum. 8)
Quote from: Zach Jordan on April 23, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
The Spectra's are of no problem at all to the Birmingham low emission thing, but will be going reasonably soon due to their age! The Presidents on the other hand look like they could cause a slight problem, but they could easily transfer out to WB/AG for newer buses to be transferred into Central (although that'd involve BC receiving Gemini's or ALX400 B7TLs unless some other dubious swaps happened!)
No they are not a problem but with 100 deckers leaving Birmingham, Wolverhampton is a depot that springs to mind for the few that may have to leave so they could easily wipe out some Spectras, although with the Enviro Hybrids for WN, the Spectras are fine for now.
Either way, some Presidents will have to escape from Birmingham. AG could take around 55, but where are the other 45 going to go. Would it not be easier for them to go to WN for 45 Tridents?
Can't the presidents just have exhaust devices fitted to make them euro 2 compliant?
I'm warming to the Presidents now so I don't mind if more come to AG but the 5 would need some Geminis still as the Presidents are now banned due to a bridge height problem somewhere on the 5.
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Can't the presidents just have exhaust devices fitted to make them euro 2 compliant?
That's a possibility, but I don't know what the cost implications are. As the Presidents have already had so much money invested in them, having been refurbed once before and fitted with LED displays, as well as numerous repaints, if they're likely to be withdrawn in the next couple of years it may not be worth it.
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Can't the presidents just have exhaust devices fitted to make them euro 2 compliant?
I guess so but think of the cost involved for vehicles which cant have more than 5 years-and thats being optimistic-left in the fleet. Tho i do like them as theyre good comfortable attractive buses in great condition and they also sound great.
Its true the presidents have had a lot of money spent on them-as opposed to say the Y reg tridents, the 51 reg volvo/alx400s and even the 03 tridents are starting to look a bit scrappy yet I recently went on a refurbished 54 reg trident when there are Y reg ones yet to be refurbished. Wheres the logic in that???
Quote from: Peter123 on April 23, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
I guess so but think of the cost involved for vehicles which cant have more than 5 years-and thats being optimistic-left in the fleet. Tho i do like them as theyre good comfortable attractive buses in great condition and they also sound great.
Not all of them sound great, I had possibly the two noisiest Presidents in the fleet (4026 and 4101) doing full shifts on the 1 all day yesterday, whizzing past my house every 30 minutes! :o
Quote from: Peter123 on April 23, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: richie on April 23, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Can't the presidents just have exhaust devices fitted to make them euro 2 compliant?
I guess so but think of the cost involved for vehicles which cant have more than 5 years-and thats being optimistic-left in the fleet. Tho i do like them as theyre good comfortable attractive buses in great condition and they also sound great.
I have no idea what the cost is to fit such a device but they wouldn't have to do them all and they could approach some one like ADL or volvo and get them done at a reduced rate in return for future orders of buses and or coaches. The president maybe viable to do this seeing they have all been refurbed, digi blinds, new lights on some and cctv on all.
Quote from: John-s-91 on April 23, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
This is all my personal opinion, however silly it might sound! (sorry it is long winded!)
The President's will have to be transferred elsewhere rather than to WB I think, as only one of their current double decker operated routes does not go into Birmingham, which is the 451, which I would think takes about 14 buses on it in the peak. Unless West Brom are planning to convert other routes such as the 401, 402, 448, 449 to double decker if possible maybe to repalce B6's or 0405Ns, then West Brom would have to lose some Presidents itself, and replace them with double deckers that could go into the city centre. As it seems, there are not enough Volvo B7TL's currently at West Bromwich to cover all of the 74, 75, 80, 82, 87, 127 and 128, so that means that from somewhere, buses will have to come to West Bromwich for all of these routes that are allowed into the city centre, even if they have to introduce Tridents from Wolverhampton/Walsall to help clear Presidents from their city centre routes. Not from Perry Barr, because all of their B7TL's are needed for their own city centre routes. Acocks Green might be able to spare a few more Gemini's, but not enough for the amount that WB might need.
Birmingham Central still have 31 President's, all of which need to go elsewhere, the solution might be to transfer these to garages not in Birmingham like Wolverhampton, Walsall or Coventry, or maybe even Yardley Wood (for Solihull routes 49, 76 and 18) unless there is a specific reason why they can't, who can spare Trident's to replace the President's at Central. I think that the 900 could be upgraded with the 7 ex 997 Gemini's at Walsall, to replace 7 President's at BC, as there must be enough Enviro's, both old and new at Walsall to Cover the 997 and 51/X51, or even some Gemini's from Acocks Green, transferred for President's.
Somewhere it is more than likely that at least one garage will have to take in a new type of bus that they have not operated before or for a very long time, even if this is only short term until more new buses are ordered next year.
I don't think that many people will agree with what I have said, but this is just what I am thinking (with no insider knowledge of NXWM).
West Bromwich have seemed to gain many Double deckers, also they brought a storage place opposite the police station which was quite full of Double Deckers & 045NS, Service 448 doesn't really need double deckers as a 045N is half full at the best of times, Service 401/402/405/406 could possibly be upgraded to double deckers as few Gemini's are sneaking on that route from time to time same for the 449, I'm not quite sure about 401/402 as they operate no were near were I live but as they have only been operated by B6LES & Darts it cannot be that crowded I can't imagine. Service 451 doesn't need to be double Decker operated; I think a Merc would suit that route just fine. Are Tridents allowed into the City Centre or does it depend on the fleet number? Couldn't WB do a swap with WN/YW/WA, e.g. If Plaxton's cannot operate into the City Centre then couldn't WB do a swap with either WA/YW/WN were WB Plaxton's go to them garage then in return they could get Plaxton's. In my eyes I don't see a problem with that but then again someone will find a problem with that comment.
Couldn't Birmingham's Presidents go to Garages Perry Barr/Yardley Wood/Coventry? Because Perry Barr have operated these buses in the past but then again most of Perry Barr's Bus routes enter Birmingham Except 654/651/28 which are Solo Operated & Ominilink operated therefore PB wouldn't benefit from them unless they convert Service 28 to double decker operation which I carnt see happening but possible, because if the 28 went double decker operation then some of BC plaxtons could go there ?. If Plaxton's went to Coventry then couldn't some of CV's Tridents go to BC to replace some of BC's Plaxtons even if AG take some Plaxton's from BC in replace for SOME gemini's if that's possible. I don't think there is enough Enviro400's at WA because you got 935 that's also Envrio400 operated,
Were are the EX 977 gemini's placed now that the 935/997/51/X51 have gone eviro operated and the 529 is at WN ?. Couldn't WA take some of BC Plaxtons ??
A Plaxton Never operated Garage is YW/WN/CV, so it would be nice to see some Plaxtons go to YW/WN as both these garages hardly have ay routes into Birmingham City Centre YW has service 2/3/6 Were as WN only have 126 so i think both garages would be good to be taken into consideration when placing Plaxtons at other garges
PB - wouldnt benift from them becuase all there routes operate to Birmingham except service 71A which some Plaxtons could be placed on then there Tridents could go to BC if thats possible ??
WA - Would benift from them as they could be placed on routes 69/89/40/41 ETC
Not many people will agree with this but its only an OPION REMEMBER
Yardley Wood had Presidents from new for the 6 actually. I believe they were replaced in 2002 by new Tridents.
Don't forget, if you're transferring buses between NX Coventry and NX West Midlands, thats a whole lot of repainting to be done!
Quote from: Michael on April 24, 2012, 01:55:40 PM
Yardley Wood had Presidents from new for the 6 actually. I believe they were replaced in 2002 by new Tridents.
Did they, I dont remeber ?
Quote from: Stu on April 24, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Don't forget, if you're transferring buses between NX Coventry and NX West Midlands, thats a whole lot of repainting to be done!
Well I didnt think of that, But then saying that it all depends on how many would transfer to NX coventry, Does it cost NXWM any money to Re-paint buses
QuoteDoes it cost NXWM any money to Re-paint buses
I don't think so, paint is free, and a team of volunteers do the painting. ::)
(yes, it does cost time and money to repaint buses)
Yes the cost of repainting a bus is over £1000 (by quite a bit depending on how many panels need replacing)
Quote from: Stu on April 24, 2012, 07:45:34 PM
QuoteDoes it cost NXWM any money to Re-paint buses
I don't think so, paint is free, and a team of volunteers do the painting. ::)
(yes, it does cost time and money to repaint buses)
Fair enough & isnt the Paint Shop held at WA
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
Yes the cost of repainting a bus is over £1000 (by quite a bit depending on how many panels need replacing)
Why so much to re-paint a bus
Quote from: NathanJC on April 24, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Michael on April 24, 2012, 01:55:40 PM
Yardley Wood had Presidents from new for the 6 actually. I believe they were replaced in 2002 by new Tridents.
Did they, I dont remeber ?
Probably was before you were born?
Quote from: Michael on April 24, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 24, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Michael on April 24, 2012, 01:55:40 PM
Yardley Wood had Presidents from new for the 6 actually. I believe they were replaced in 2002 by new Tridents.
Did they, I dont remeber ?
Probably was before you were born?
Didnt they YW plaxtons for the 6 have a yellow circle with 6 in the middle
Are hybrids the main allocation for the 24 on Sundays, cause I don't see any presidents or tridents on it on Sunday's?
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 10:35:53 AM
Didnt they YW plaxtons for the 6 have a yellow circle with 6 in the middle
Yes, new in 2000, and replaced by Trident's in 2002.
Quote from: John-s-91 on April 29, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 10:35:53 AM
Didnt they YW plaxtons for the 6 have a yellow circle with 6 in the middle
Yes, new in 2000, and replaced by Trident's in 2002.
I do remember them then
Quote from: 4504 on April 29, 2012, 03:16:26 PM
Are hybrids the main allocation for the 24 on Sundays, cause I don't see any presidents or tridents on it on Sunday's?
Yes, i think so 22/23/24 are Hybrid operate Sundays
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
Yes, new in 2000, and replaced by Trident's in 2002.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would have been about 3-4 when they were new, as you told us your age in another post. Remarkable memory isn't it.
Quote from: Michael on April 29, 2012, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 29, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
Yes, new in 2000, and replaced by Trident's in 2002.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would have been about 3-4 when they were new, as you told us your age in another post. Remarkable memory isn't it.
There things called pictures you know, they kind of jog your memory a little bit
I read somewhere (Buses Magazine I think) that NX has 10 new hybrid double deckers on order for delivery later this year for Dundee, jointly funded with the Scottish Government.
The question that crossed my mind was whether these are additional to, or part of the order for 21 previously reported here?
These are in addition to the 21 for the West Midlands.
The Scottish Executive has their own scheme to which succesfully NX applied to for 10 vehciles for Dundee. The 21 coming to Wolverhampton are being part funded by the DfT.
Don,
The 10 due at NX Dundee are additional, they are part funded by the Scottish green bus fund, whilst the 21 due for NXWM are part funded by the UK Green Bus Fund (Round 3), I'm assuming the order for Dundee's Enviro 400H will be tagged on to the NXWM order
The funny thing is that their hybrids will probably be sent down here after a year or two like the B7 ALX, Spectra's and Omnilinks!!
Possible that they might cascade some Geminis?
Quote from: don on May 26, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Possible that they might cascade some Geminis?
Do Dundee still have Olympians? If so, I'd imagine these would replace some Geminis, to replace the Olympians. If I'm totally wrong and they don't have Olympians anymore, I reckon the Geminis would transfer down here :)
I doubt any Geminis would transfer down here. Dundee still have quite a lot of Volvo B6LE, B10L and B10BLE's to withdraw first.
Strange that Dundee have gone for ADL Enviro 400H's, especially when I thought they were going to become 100% Volvo. I would have thought that B5LH's would have been their first choice.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 26, 2012, 11:38:42 AM
The funny thing is that their hybrids will probably be sent down here after a year or two like the B7 ALX, Spectra's and Omnilinks!!
I doubt they will be allowed to transfer down to NXWM, as it's a Scottish money that has helped to part fund them
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 26, 2012, 11:38:42 AM
B7 ALX
The B7 ALX400s were new to West Midlands for the Sutton Lines weren't they? They were transferred to Dundee and re-registered before entering service. I was under the impression they were anyway.
Quote from: Michael on May 26, 2012, 02:39:38 PM
Quote from: don on May 26, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Possible that they might cascade some Geminis?
Do Dundee still have Olympians? If so, I'd imagine these would replace some Geminis, to replace the Olympians. If I'm totally wrong and they don't have Olympians anymore, I reckon the Geminis would transfer down here :)
Yes, they still have the 3 x former London United Airbus/ NXWM private hire Volvo Olympian/Alexander Royale with wheelchair lifts, plus the 2 x Cambridge Coach Services/ NX Owned Ops Volvo Olympian/NC Palatine II's, all are used on school & contract services in the main. The Gemini's are a bit new to be dedicated to school services; they may be cascaded to replace further older B10L single deckers if additional capacity is required on any Dundee route. Would have thought 5 ex NXWM Presidents would make better replacements
Quote from: Gareth on May 26, 2012, 03:11:49 PM
I doubt any Geminis would transfer down here. Dundee still have quite a lot of Volvo B6LE, B10L and B10BLE's to withdraw first.
Strange that Dundee have gone for ADL Enviro 400H's, especially when I thought they were going to become 100% Volvo. I would have thought that B5LH's would have been their first choice.
Dundee no longer have any B6LE's in service, they still have 4 x ex NXWM P5--EJW examples on site, but these are all withdrawn, they only have 17 x B10L's left in service as well. A few more may be withdrawn once ex Demos 2030 /2031 & the rest of the 6 new 12 plate B7RLE's (2053-2058) all enter service
Quote from: Michael on May 26, 2012, 03:34:56 PM
The B7 ALX400s were new to West Midlands for the Sutton Lines weren't they? They were transferred to Dundee and re-registered before entering service. I was under the impression they were anyway.
Thats right Michael. With branding but not used. In service in Dundee in March 02, spent around 18 months there before returning.
If anyone is interested, the original registrations of 4300-4 were
4300 - BU51 RYH
4301 - BU51 RYJ
4302 - BU51 RYK
4303 - BU51 RYM
4304 - BU51 RYN
(Not sure if they were actually registered or just allocated)
Can anyone tell me if all of these buses are confined to the harborne/bristol road services ? or do they venture elsewhere on the system? I presume they are all working from colmore row?
They are allocated only to the 22 and 23 'Harborne Corridor' services, but are also used on the 24 on Sundays. Rarely, they may stray onto other BC services, one or two have occasionally been spotted on the 97 service, but so far not on the Bristol Road services.
Thanks stu. I thought they worked the bristol road as well- my mistake :-[ If I find somewhere to sit in the church grounds alongside colmore row for a couple of hours I should see most of them then? The reason I was asking is I had seen one of tonys photos which appeared to have been taken near the markets in B'ham -or was that one of the 54xx's (Enviros)? incidentally, where would I see most of those in service? -assuming that they have all been delivered that is! (Must get out more :) 8)
Both the B5LH Gemini 2s and the Enviro 400Hs are used on those routes I already listed.
I don't think Bristol or Pershore road drivers have been trained on hybrids, and that's why they only appear on the 24, 22/23 and occasionally 97/A
If you want to see the hybrids in action, best places to see them would be Colmore Row, Broad Street, Harborne, or Bartley Green (anywhere on the 22 or 23 routes!)
Quote from: Stu on May 27, 2012, 06:13:47 PM
If you want to see the hybrids in action, best places to see them would be Colmore Row, Broad Street, Harborne, or Bartley Green (anywhere on the 22 or 23 routes!)
Broad Street In The weatherspoons! New Buses Cheep bear...No Problem! You can also see new VolvoB7 from there amongst others!!!
4006 Cheap Bear? Is that black or brown? :) Yes Weatherspoons- Good drinking Hole- I would recommend It- (Try the Ruddles Best Bitter-Beautiful stuff! :P :P Food a bit pricey though -Iv'e not tried drinking in the garden though-prob need bino's to see Broad St Services??
Quote from: windy miller on May 28, 2012, 11:48:58 AM
4006 Cheap Bear? Is that black or brown? :) Yes Weatherspoons- Good drinking Hole- I would recommend It- (Try the Ruddles Best Bitter-Beautiful stuff! :P :P Food a bit pricey though -Iv'e not tried drinking in the garden though-prob need bino's to see Broad St Services??
Ruddles of course! Weatherspoons beer is generally cheaper than most pubs and amazingly there always seams to be one near to bus stations so you can have a pint and see the buses at the same time. Weatherspoons in Coventry is a good one but not quite as good as the Square Peg In brum ;D ;D
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You should try the newish one in Oldbury, if you get a window seat you can see everything going up and down Church St to the bus interchange
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Cheers for the tip but see what I mean where there's a bus station or descent bus spotting place there's a Weatherspoons! could be a new thread ere ;)
There's the one in West Bromwich, across the road from the Bus Station, you'll be able to see everything going to Carter's Green and Sandwell Hospital.
There's also one in Halesowen, around the corner from Halesowen Bus Station, I suppose that'd also be good for spotting, especially if you like B6LEs (244 & 636)
Quote from: 4006 on May 28, 2012, 09:57:51 PM
You should try the newish one in Oldbury, if you get a window seat you can see everything going up and down Church St to the bus interchange
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Cheers for the tip but see what I mean where there's a bus station or descent bus spotting place there's a Weatherspoons! could be a new thread ere ;)
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No ruddles for me, I'll have a dissarono and coke ;). The square peg is great for spotting, if you sit near the back of the pub, you'll get to see the 65, 66/A, 67
Quote from: windy miller on May 28, 2012, 11:48:58 AM
4006 Cheap Bear? Is that black or brown? :) Yes Weatherspoons- Good drinking Hole- I would recommend It- (Try the Ruddles Best Bitter-Beautiful stuff! :P :P Food a bit pricey though -Iv'e not tried drinking in the garden though-prob need bino's to see Broad St Services??
Might try an hour or so next sat (2nd june) (broad st) try out my new bino's
The big 'Spoons' at the top of Stourbridge High Street also allows good views of 246, 256, 257, X96, 276 services plus a few others I'm sure and the Beefeater in Pensnett is literally opposite to the entrance to the Trading Estate where PE depot is located so go out for a meal say between 6-7PM and you will see endless B6's, Merc's, B7's and Enviro's parking up for the night
thanks but PE was something i did at shool :) I suppose you would get some funny looks jumping up and down the pub looking at buses. I know there is a pub called the three furnaces ? where I used to turn right- up to the end of that road-then left ( for about 100 yds,) then LEFT into the trading estate, (There is no security office at the north gate entrance)- then down to second ave and park-up right in front of the garage for about an hour say 6.30 to 7.30. I don't suppose things have changed much in the past 2-3 years since I went?
I spent about an hour today in the churchyard (Colmore row) very pleasant weather. I only saw 1 enviro? (5403) However, I did see at least 6 of the Hybrids in service on the harborne services. I'm thinking maybe the Air cond works better on the Hybrids in hot weather? No?- so where were all the Enviros today then? ???
Quote from: windy miller on May 28, 2012, 11:26:28 PM
I spent about an hour today in the churchyard (Colmore row) very pleasant weather. I only saw 1 enviro? (5403) However, I did see at least 6 of the Hybrids in service on the harborne services. I'm thinking maybe the Air cond works better on the Hybrids in hot weather? No?- so where were all the Enviros today then? ???
5403 is a hybrid...
Yes talk of pubs and buses
All the green/white buses are hybrids. ;)
Thanks Stu. I meant to specify Alexander hybrids in my ref to 5403 as opposed to Volvo Hybrids :-[ :-[ My mistake. (Still don't know where they all were.....) ;)
The truth-your comment on the square peg -Iv'e never been in there, I heard its 'karma' is not one of the best to say the least! :-X :-X I dont think any (new) b7's pass there anyway (20/21xx) except the 120 I suppose. Unless you know different?
AG and PE B7RLEs can be seen
AG: 37, 72
PE: 120
Also hybrids on the 24, if you go on a Sunday
Quote from: windy miller on May 29, 2012, 11:52:48 AM
The truth-your comment on the square peg -Iv'e never been in there, I heard its 'karma' is not one of the best to say the least! :-X :-X I dont think any (new) b7's pass there anyway (20/21xx) except the 120 I suppose. Unless you know different?
4504 8)Thanks for that-I can't recall seeing any 'new' AG B7's on either the 6 or the 37-every time I get any where near the New st ramp they seem to be operated by the older group? I forget where the 72 goes, but I did see 7019 on that svc last thursday ie amidst all the late afternoon bus CHAOS at the bottom of Dale end/ albert st. Fortunatly tony's? group of competent WM Traffic inspectors were able to impose some sort of normality-(eventualy) :)
Quote from: windy miller on May 29, 2012, 05:02:18 PM
4504 8)Thanks for that-I can't recall seeing any 'new' AG B7's on either the 6 or the 37-every time I get any where near the New st ramp they seem to be operated by the older group? I forget where the 72 goes, but I did see 7019 on that svc last thursday ie amidst all the late afternoon bus CHAOS at the bottom of Dale end/ albert st. Fortunatly tony's? group of competent WM Traffic inspectors were able to impose some sort of normality-(eventualy) :)
No, you wouldn't see B7s on the 6 because YW (the depot it is run by) doesn't operate any B7's.
AG run the 37 and 72, where you can see a mix of Volvo B7RLE and Scania K230UB.
You might see Volvo B7RLEs along Broad Street as mentioned, and at Five Ways on the 1.
Quote from: 4504 on May 29, 2012, 12:06:02 PM
Also hybrids on the 24, if you go on a Sunday
They also sneak on in the week, especially at peak hours.
Which of the 2 types of hybrid are proving the most successful, the series hybrid Enviro or the parallel hybrid Volvo?
Id say the enviro from my point of view
I'd have said that the Enviro 400H has secured by far the most orders and has the most in service. That said, following the latest Green Bus Fund 3 awards, the Volvo B5LH/Wright seems to have secured the lions share of those orders. Not sure why the switch?
Neither am I Winston maybe companies just want to try out an alternative. Tho I think the new MAN gas bus looks promising and I know arriva have ordered some. How are optare doing for GBF round 3?
I'm sure I've seen reports that the Hybrids are achieving better than the quoted 30% reduction in fuel consumption with some operators, obviously this will vary operating to operator depending on routes they are operated on and terrain etc.
The only consistent comment that I've seen comparing the Volvo B5LH against the Enviro 400H, is that the lower saloon capacity is much lower on the Volvo and not as well laid out due to the position on the engine compartment, other than that haven't really heard anything negative against either Hybrid model
Quote from: Winston on June 10, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
I'm sure I've seen reports that the Hybrids are achieving better than the quoted 30% reduction in fuel consumption with some operators, obviously this will vary operating to operator depending on routes they are operated on and terrain etc.
The only consistent comment that I've seen comparing the Volvo B5LH against the Enviro 400H, is that the lower saloon capacity is much lower on the Volvo and not as well laid out due to the position on the engine compartment, other than that haven't really heard anything negative against either Hybrid model
Yep, thats true especially on urban services. The thing is, I agree that the Volvo lower deck is rubbish-few seats amd badly laid out-just think what it must be like in London with two sets of doors.
So far with NXWM, the B5LH are showing far better fuel consumption figures than the Enviro 400H. So perhaps that is what other operators have found too, hence the switch to the B5LH in the latest orders.
Quote from: D10 on June 10, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
So far with NXWM, the B5LH are showing far better fuel consumption figures than the Enviro 400H. So perhaps that is what other operators have found too, hence the switch to the B5LH in the latest orders.
Are both products like for like in terms of unladen weight? There are differences in carrying capacities i.e. Enviro 400H (H77F), Volvo B5LH (H68F) is this likely to have much impact on fuel consumption with the B5LH being able to carry fewer passengers and I'm assuming the Volvo is shorter than the Enviro?
Are the Volvo's achieving in excess of the 30% fuel saving?
I imagine the fuel saving is due to the fact that with the volvos the engines often turn off when stationery
Could be. But the engine in the Eviro doesn't actual drive the bus
probally 59
Well the oldest are the spectras I think, so the 11, 32 and 33 are likely, and as you say the 1 is a definite.
I think they will run them on anything that normal deckers run on eventually. I would not be surprised to see them on the 126 to say to BC 'We got some too!' :D
so there bound to appear on 255,1,32,33,59,126i could imagine with the Odd 1 or 2 appearing on the 79
For an idea what other services they may 'sneak' onto, just look at WN's rotas.
Drivers would need to be type-trained on the new vehicle first, so logically only drivers on the rota with the 1 on will be type-trained first.
I would imagine WN employ a large number of drivers, so don't expect the new hybrids to appear regularly on other routes, in the same way you don't see BC's hybrids appearing on very many other services, apart from the ones they were purchased for.
Quote from: Stu on June 25, 2012, 07:08:03 PM
For an idea what other services they may 'sneak' onto, just look at WN's rotas.
Drivers would need to be type-trained on the new vehicle first, so logically only drivers on the rota with the 1 on will be type-trained first.
I would imagine WN employ a large number of drivers, so don't expect the new hybrids to appear regularly on other routes, in the same way you don't see BC's hybrids appearing on very many other services, apart from the ones they were purchased for.
That would be 257/256 then in the current format
Quote from: richie on June 25, 2012, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 25, 2012, 07:08:03 PM
For an idea what other services they may 'sneak' onto, just look at WN's rotas.
Drivers would need to be type-trained on the new vehicle first, so logically only drivers on the rota with the 1 on will be type-trained first.
I would imagine WN employ a large number of drivers, so don't expect the new hybrids to appear regularly on other routes, in the same way you don't see BC's hybrids appearing on very many other services, apart from the ones they were purchased for.
That would be 257/256 then in the current format
All Drivers will need to be type trained as they may or could be designated to any route! also Sunday running boards intermingle for example you may get a 529 and a 1 or 126 the same day or a 1/79 so both on different weekday rotas so all drivers would need to be typed
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 25, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
But did all drivers get type trained on the new B7RLE Wright eclipse urban 2. I have seen them on many routes. Today 2013 was on the 529, They were on the 25/25A today, they can be on the 11,59 and apparantly one went onto the 82 to cover for a Broken down O405N. They were mean't for the 2,3,4 and late the 5,6 and 10. So Do these drivers get type trained
Hi,
As user 4006 said all drivers are type trained, and in answer to your question yeah all drivers were type trained to Volvo B7s
Hope that helps!
Indeed all drivers have been typed (or should have been) B7's have been on the 25/25A 32/33 all week now infact bar the 26/28/62/62A I think at some stage they have been on all the routes
5405 was broken down on Harborne High Street this morning at the junction with Harborne Park Road (Kings Arms pub) causing traffic problems. 5404 similarly failed outside the Vine in Harborne last week causing traffic chaos. 5407 also failed in Harborne a couple of weeks back. Seem to be a few reliability issues with the E400Hs at the moment.
There are at least 2 non hybrids on the 22/23 today including Alum Rock branded 4157.
The new MAN EcoCity does look promising, my only criticism would be the front dash looks a tad old fashioned. As for the BSLH, I thought I'd just add if anybody is interested Go North East are trialing an example from Brighton and Hoves fleet, whose examples look internally similar to ours
I agree about the MAN EcoCity. NXWm should evaluate one of these at least because they look extremely competent buses and arriva up in the north thought of it as an extremely reliable bus-which is what every fleet engineer wants
NXWM had gas which most posters know the volvo B10L 15xx series at Walsall some liked them most hated them (gas smells) they all had diesel engines put in and some are on the training fleet I think still? Why should NXWM have gas when they have just got rid of them. If they were so good would they have had more? Always remember at least one going off road when they were in service or just not starting Tony had a picture of one in Walsall with volvo trying to bring it to life at the bus station
Quote from: Discodave on July 29, 2012, 11:12:12 AM
NXWM had gas which most posters know the volvo B10L 15xx series at Walsall some liked them most hated them (gas smells) they all had diesel engines put in and some are on the training fleet I think still? Why should NXWM have gas when they have just got rid of them. If they were so good would they have had more? Always remember at least one going off road when they were in service or just not starting Tony had a picture of one in Walsall with volvo trying to bring it to life at the bus station
Technology has moved on a lot since them though.
Reading had bioethanol Omnicity deckers and they were converted to diesel after a year!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 30, 2012, 06:09:48 PM
Reading had bioethanol Omnicity deckers and they were converted to diesel after a year!
Proves some alternative fuels do not work also know they were very thirsty compared to a diesel proves trying to be green does not save money what about when batteries need to be replaced in the hybrids they are about £2000 in a toyota pryis and then you have to get rid of the batteries most bus companies including NXWM would rather use a boost pack than replace batteries cant do that on a hybrid
If they didn't want gas, then there is the Man City Smart; same design but not gas. The seats (saw in Buses mag) are excellent in them as well!
Exactly-I thought the same of the seats-imagine in leather!! An attractive small bus at a good price-whats not to like??
Man do good trucks and buses and have good diesel engines but are thirsty even the new ones my last truck was a 60 plate Man lots of torque and pulled well was a euro 5 but lucky to get 6.5 mpg that was on econmy mapping and 85kph limiter not 90kph yes lorries do not stop start but buses do so consumption is going to be worse
8 to 9 months on and the BC Hybrids are still immaculate both inside and out, with no sign of graffiti or window etching. Is this because:
1. BC are giving these special attention compared with the rest of the fleet?
2. The 22/23 routes are less prone to vandalism than some other routes, e.g. Bristol Road, Alum Rock? or
3. A combination of the above?
I'd suspect it's a bit of both - all routes are prone to vandalism to a degree. But it just goes to show how well buses can be maintained. 5502 lost some of its 'Turning Birmingham Green' megarear recently, presumably due to replacement window / panels but within a day or so everything had been re-applied - this is usually unheard of in the main fleet. The Hagley Road E400s were similarly maintained in their first year at BC but don't look so good now :'(.
Anyhow, certainly makes for a better bus travel experience.
you know now you have said that a bus will now be vandlised and have a couple of windows bricked hope not but I would never tempt fate
Goes to show, NX can do appearance when they want to...
Quote from: Mike K on August 09, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
8 to 9 months on and the BC Hybrids are still immaculate both inside and out, with no sign of graffiti or window etching. Is this because:
1. BC are giving these special attention compared with the rest of the fleet?
2. The 22/23 routes are less prone to vandalism than some other routes, e.g. Bristol Road, Alum Rock? or
3. A combination of the above?
I'd suspect it's a bit of both - all routes are prone to vandalism to a degree. But it just goes to show how well buses can be maintained. 5502 lost some of its 'Turning Birmingham Green' megarear recently, presumably due to replacement window / panels but within a day or so everything had been re-applied - this is usually unheard of in the main fleet. The Hagley Road E400s were similarly maintained in their first year at BC but don't look so good now :'(.
Anyhow, certainly makes for a better bus travel experience.
They look good inside if Im catching 22/23 and a hybrid does not come will wait for it :)
I personally think compared to other routes (i.e. 46 which is high prone to vandalism) it is not such a target for vandalism
Everytime I go on 46 there is some sort of graffiti or occasionally weed/alcohol smell - bus window scratches ie on omnilinks etc
Memories of the old 51 with the weed smells a lot better now with operation safer travel and new buses
I've been taking an interest in these buses since their introduction months ago and had the opportunity to ride the ADL/BAE Enviro 400h and Volvo/Wrights. And was suitably impressed by both as a passenger, although the ADL/BAE drivetrain was much smoother.
As we know, Enviro uses a series system so that the engine acts like a generator to charge batteries which in turn powers the wheel motors (in this instance you don't technically need an Otto-cycle engine as a gas turbine could be just as, if not, more efficient).
Volvo has gone the Prius route and decided to use a smaller engine linked to a special transmission whch then goes on to drive the wheels. The transmission uses Volvo's I-Drive technology that incorporates a robotic clutch and gear selector mechanism instead of an automatic 'slush-' gearbox. What I'm not so sure of is whether electric motor is in-line of the transmission and engine or whether they are placed directly at the wheels.
As I understand it the Volvo/Wrights are preferred over the Enviro buses on the grounds of reliability and the fact that they have achieved figures very close to the manufacturers claims. The drivers appear to love driving the Volvos simply because nothing seems to go wrong. he buses themselves have good build quality (ie nothing rattles and shakes), and they are so easy to use and nice to drive. The only niggle they have stems from the I-Drive system in selecting the 1st and 2nd gear where there is an apparent noticeable time lag. Because they're the gears where the most power is required to move the vehicle the effect of the lag is more pronounced than that in the higher gears where not so much power is required when already moving. It's something the Volvo engineers are still working on through software updates etc but this appears to be a tiny niggle and doesn't affect the positive favour that the bus enjoys.
As an engineer, I'm disappointed to hear that Enviro is less economical than the Volvo as it's my preferred method of hybrid propulsion. There maybe good reasons why Enviro is less economical:
- Larger carrying capacity thus greater weight
- No stop/start function
- No option to use electric only, in congestion or moving off from stationary
The first point is self explanatory and can be cured with further engineering in later models, however the last two points are something I'm scratching my head over. With series type powertrains, you only need the engine when you need it, so for example, when the battery is flat and needs charging, when travelling up hill and you need all power to the wheels. The start/stop function should have been incorporated this and it's a glaringly obvious omission of a method of fuel saving that's been used since the early 90's.
Conditions on when stop/start should power down the engine ought to be when:
- Stationary at a bus stop
- Stationary in traffic.
- In slow moving traffic to use the battery power.
- Coasting down hill in combination with regenerative braking (this acts like a brake servo if you like), the gravity is free energy which can be transferred the the RB system to charge the battery - you don't need the generator.
These are the conditions Chevy Volt/Opel-Vauxhall Ampera operate and I'm surprised that no-one at BAE Systems or ADL have brought this up. Because the engines are operating all the time the fuel saving is much less than that of the Volvo's parallel system. With a stop/start, both vehicles are more likely to be closer to equal. Series systems are smoother too because there is no transmission and the effect of stop/start would be less noticeable - it's direct electrical drive - more development work needed I think......
I drove 5409 a couple of weeks ago. The only Enviro that seems to be modified with stop/start
Quote from: vinh1000 on August 09, 2012, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 09, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
8 to 9 months on and the BC Hybrids are still immaculate both inside and out, with no sign of graffiti or window etching. Is this because:
1. BC are giving these special attention compared with the rest of the fleet?
2. The 22/23 routes are less prone to vandalism than some other routes, e.g. Bristol Road, Alum Rock? or
3. A combination of the above?
I'd suspect it's a bit of both - all routes are prone to vandalism to a degree. But it just goes to show how well buses can be maintained. 5502 lost some of its 'Turning Birmingham Green' megarear recently, presumably due to replacement window / panels but within a day or so everything had been re-applied - this is usually unheard of in the main fleet. The Hagley Road E400s were similarly maintained in their first year at BC but don't look so good now :'(.
Anyhow, certainly makes for a better bus travel experience.
They look good inside if Im catching 22/23 and a hybrid does not come will wait for it :)
I personally think compared to other routes (i.e. 46 which is high prone to vandalism) it is not such a target for vandalism
Everytime I go on 46 there is some sort of graffiti or occasionally weed/alcohol smell - bus window scratches ie on omnilinks etc
I remeber when the Hybird was on Loan to BC an I spotted it at 5 ways and I waited for it to go into town and come back out ;D.
As for the 46 - Thats the Youth of Handsworth for ya
Quote from: BC driver on September 30, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
I drove 5409 a couple of weeks ago. The only Enviro that seems to be modified with stop/start
Oh strange you should mention that one - It passed by me as I was waiting at the stop up by Centenary square last night but couldn't really hear what the unit was doing above the noise of the rest of the traffic.
How many of each has NXWM/Centro got on the fleet just out of interest?
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on October 01, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: BC driver on September 30, 2012, 07:59:28 PM
I drove 5409 a couple of weeks ago. The only Enviro that seems to be modified with stop/start
How many of each has NXWM/Centro got on the fleet just out of interest?
NXWM currently have 9 x Enviro 400H (5401-9) & 9 x Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini (5501-9) at BC garage
NXWM currently have 12 x Enviro 400H & a further 9 x Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini on order for early 2013 delivery, at which point the Enviros will be concentrated at WN for route 1 & the Volvo's at BC for routes 22/23
Damn, I was hoping to see the modified Enviros on the Route 9.
I think the reason why they've been give 1, 22, 23 is probably because these are geographically challenging routes with a mix of steep up-and-downhill combinations, and a combination of traffic congested and free running roads. It'll help the engineers to build up a good picture as to the behaviour of the buses under many differing driving conditions.
One really good evaluation would be the 900 to see how well it fares over the longer contniuous operating distance.
Quote from: Winston on October 01, 2012, 10:19:46 PM
NXWM currently have 12 x Enviro 400H & a further 9 x Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini on order for early 2013 delivery, at which point the Enviros will be concentrated at WN for route 1 & the Volvo's at BC for routes 22/23
Is it 100% certain that the other 12 hybrids will be Enviro 400H's? Volvo certainly announced in April that NXWM had ordered 9 B5LH's, but I can find no mention anywhere of any other order from NXWM for the other 12.
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on October 03, 2012, 11:36:10 PM
I think the reason why they've been give 1, 22, 23 is probably because these are geographically challenging routes with a mix of steep up-and-downhill combinations, and a combination of traffic congested and free running roads. It'll help the engineers to build up a good picture as to the behaviour of the buses under many differing driving conditions.
One really good evaluation would be the 900 to see how well it fares over the longer contniuous operating distance.
It is interesting that Brighton & Hove are going to do exactly what you are suggesting. They will have 13 B5LH's in service within the next week or two and intend to use 11 of them on one of the busiest stop-start cross-city routes. However the other two will be trialled on the service between Brighton and Lewes which has about 4 miles of high speed running along the A27 dual-carriageway to compare how they perform in different operating environments.
I am sure I've seen one on the 13X Brighton to Eastbourne. Although i may Brighton wrong and it could have been a new B9
Quote from: Roy on October 05, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 01, 2012, 10:19:46 PM
NXWM currently have 12 x Enviro 400H & a further 9 x Volvo B5LH/Wright Gemini on order for early 2013 delivery, at which point the Enviros will be concentrated at WN for route 1 & the Volvo's at BC for routes 22/23
Is it 100% certain that the other 12 hybrids will be Enviro 400H's? Volvo certainly announced in April that NXWM had ordered 9 B5LH's, but I can find no mention anywhere of any other order from NXWM for the other 12.
Roy,
There hasn't been any official announcement from NX or ADL regarding the remaining 12 being Enviro 400H, but NX do seem to be reluctant to disclose / announce new vehicle orders of late. And the fact that 9 on the 21 Hybrids are due to be Volvo's fits with the numbers of Volvo/Envrio 400H currently at BC. Dundee are expecting 10 x Enviro 400H, but again I think it was only confirmed by the Scottish Bus Fund award announcement, nothing has appeared from either NX or NED
Wasn't there a post on here recently stating that nxwm only wanted one type of hybrid at each garage ? Meaning wn will receive 12 new enviro 400h's to go with the 9 transferred ones
Quote from: A1991 on October 06, 2012, 02:53:35 PM
Wasn't there a post on here recently stating that nxwm only wanted one type of hybrid at each garage ? Meaning wn will receive 12 new enviro 400h's to go with the 9 transferred ones
Yes I think so, but can't remember who & where that came from. Nothing has been announced in the trade press/ on NX or NXWM websites that I'm aware of other than the 9 x Volvo's where lists as order on the Green Bus Fund award breakdown. I imagine it is exactly what will happen.....'
Quote from: Tomjusttom on October 06, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
I am sure I've seen one on the 13X Brighton to Eastbourne. Although i may Brighton wrong and it could have been a new B9
It's possible as the 13X is operated by Conway Street garage, who run the 2 ex-demonstrator B5LH's currently in service (including the one trialled by NXWM as 4699). When I caught the 13X a couple of weekends ago, Conway Street were using a mix of 12-reg B9TL's and 09-reg Omnicity's that day. Mind you, the 13X route would certainly sort out any potential weaknesses!
Does any bus drivers know how 5409 is doing? - It's the ADL Enviro400h modified for stop-start. I'm just wondering if anyone's had any engineers reports to see if it's improve consumption and emissions figures over the rest.
Anyone have a fact based/ quantifiable evidence of it's reliability and any anecdotal comments on the way it drives?
What's the PVR for the 22/23 during the week? There seems to be more hybrids spilling over onto the 24 Mon-Fri compared to none when the hybrids first arrived and wondered how many are actually available to be sent out on the 24.
I believe the day time vehicle requirement of the 22/23 is 14, with 2 or 3 extra buses at peak periods. In practice there are often 1 or 2 non hybrids on peak journeys freeing up 2 or sometimes 3 hybrids for the 24 all day. Not 100% sure on exact numbers but these are there or thereabouts.
I think 5504 and 5509 are now stop / start.
Quote from: settlerman on November 08, 2012, 02:21:02 PM
I think 5504 and 5509 are now stop / start.
Settlerman do you mean 5404 / 5409? All of the Volvo B5LH hybrids (55xx) are stop start.
Quote from: Mike K on November 08, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: settlerman on November 08, 2012, 02:21:02 PM
I think 5504 and 5509 are now stop / start.
Settlerman do you mean 5404 / 5409? All of the Volvo B5LH hybrids (55xx) are stop start.
My mistake. Didn't know all Volvo were stop start.
^^ Yeh, they're using the Volvo iDrive system similar to the that which has evolved in their car based technology. It's quite effective really, although for many drivers used to using slushboxes, the change from 1st to 2nd using the robotic gearbox can be a bit disconcerting to begin with. That initial 'lag' issue was addressed from earlier with software updates and the lag reduced but it's still noticeable though.
One thing that surprised me was how nippy the bus seems - I was on a 22 and the driver was able to boot it away from the lights and throw it into corners.. The performance on these things is amazing. -I had heard tales that Volvo showed off de-restricted demo machines where they were able to make the rear wheels spin under hard acceleration.
it is official NX wolverhampton are to get 12 hybrid envrio 400 here is the link
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/media-details.php?s=47&subs=69&catID=1&itemID=150
I see the press release has National Express Wolverhampton as an operator. Good to know that ADL know their customers! ;)
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on November 15, 2012, 03:24:09 AM
^^ Yeh, they're using the Volvo iDrive system similar to the that which has evolved in their car based technology. It's quite effective really, although for many drivers used to using slushboxes, the change from 1st to 2nd using the robotic gearbox can be a bit disconcerting to begin with. That initial 'lag' issue was addressed from earlier with software updates and the lag reduced but it's still noticeable though.
One thing that surprised me was how nippy the bus seems - I was on a 22 and the driver was able to boot it away from the lights and throw it into corners.. The performance on these things is amazing. -I had heard tales that Volvo showed off de-restricted demo machines where they were able to make the rear wheels spin under hard acceleration.
Agreed Typhoon2000. Given the slow moving stop start nature of the 22/23 routes it's not that often you get to see what the B5LHs are capable of, but catch a late night one that's running late and it surprising how fast these things move. I've been on them on the weekend nights Sandpits / Ladywood Middleway section of the route where they've shown a clean pair of heels to non-hybrid deckers. They certainly feel a lot faster than the E400Hs.
Quote from: woody38 on November 15, 2012, 03:30:13 PM
it is official NX wolverhampton are to get 12 hybrid envrio 400 here is the link
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/media-details.php?s=47&subs=69&catID=1&itemID=150
Dundee only appear to be receiving 9 x Enviro 400H now not the original10
I read in Buses recently that Enviro 400s only did about 40 mph top speed - they're no use for open roads and interurban routes.
The 175 midi buses to be built by ADL in the remainder of this year are destined for a large number of operators, including Reay's Coaches, Mid Wales Travel, CEN Group, Tates Travel, Watts Travel, Whitelaws Coaches, Ace Travel, Go Goodwins, Stephenson's of Essex, Compass Travel, Manchester Airport, A2B Travel, Houston Travel, Little Coaches, Hornsby Travel, Repton's Coaches and Lewis Y Llan.
Looks like Central Buses are expecting more Enviro200s?!
Quote from: Mike K on November 15, 2012, 04:29:19 PM
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on November 15, 2012, 03:24:09 AM
^^ Yeh, they're using the Volvo iDrive system similar to the that which has evolved in their car based technology. It's quite effective really, although for many drivers used to using slushboxes, the change from 1st to 2nd using the robotic gearbox can be a bit disconcerting to begin with. That initial 'lag' issue was addressed from earlier with software updates and the lag reduced but it's still noticeable though.
One thing that surprised me was how nippy the bus seems - I was on a 22 and the driver was able to boot it away from the lights and throw it into corners.. The performance on these things is amazing. -I had heard tales that Volvo showed off de-restricted demo machines where they were able to make the rear wheels spin under hard acceleration.
Agreed Typhoon2000. Given the slow moving stop start nature of the 22/23 routes it's not that often you get to see what the B5LHs are capable of, but catch a late night one that's running late and it surprising how fast these things move. I've been on them on the weekend nights Sandpits / Ladywood Middleway section of the route where they've shown a clean pair of heels to non-hybrid deckers. They certainly feel a lot faster than the E400Hs.
I was talking about from the lights coming out from under the bridge at St Chads... That thing seriously shifted from a standing start!!! whew!
"National Express Wolverhampton" not a fleetname i can imagine ever being applied at the paintshop
Quote from: Ashley on November 16, 2012, 10:22:32 PM
"National Express Wolverhampton" not a fleetname i can imagine ever being applied at the paintshop
I did like the local fleetnames 1994-6 though, although they faded terribly after a few months on the first lot to be applied. The later ones with darker red looked better, although the red was slightly too dark at times and difficult to read.
However at least the whole fleet was rebranded within a couple of months, not coming up to 5 years!
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on November 16, 2012, 09:35:30 PM
I was talking about from the lights coming out from under the bridge at St Chads... That thing seriously shifted from a standing start!!! whew!
Talking of speed i followed 4113 up Queslett road (up hill) on the 5 in my car and it was doing 45 and had to brake for speed cameras! This was a steep uphill as well!
Anyone know which hybrid was out for a run around Willenhall this afternoon?
I have not seen much about the hybrid buses NXWM have are they good or bad never been on one myself only a diamond one and was impressed from the passenger point of view is anyone whom is a driver and is at BC have a view on them or even a passanger point of view as some in the past have mentioned they live on the allocated routes.
I live on the 22/23 route and from a passenger perspective both types are very good. Quiet, bright and airy (much better than the standard dull grey NX interior) helped by the fact that they are kept spotlessly clean, with still no signs of graffiti or window etching. The E400 has the greater capacity and better seating layout, feeling much more spacious downstairs but the B5LH has very impressive legroom upstairs, which combined with huge windows makes for a good travel experience.
Both seem reliable now, although the E400s had a few problems a few months back, and both are quite quick, although the B5LHs feel the faster of the two. All in all, very impressed. For me, the E400 edges it due to the better seating layout and capacity, and cleaner looks (the hybrid technology does seem to compromised the otherwise good looks of the Gemini 2 body, with a strange window layout, short wheelbase etc), but I guess I'll have to settle for the B5LH from March. Can't complain, they beat a clapped out, vandalised President or Trident any day of the week.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 06, 2013, 08:49:20 PM
Does anyone know when these are actually due in service and what will happen to the tridents and spectras. I know that this has cropped up a few times but now the hybrids are nearly due i'm wondering what will happen with the Tridents off the 1 and also the spectras.
If anyone can tell me then that would be great :)
It was confirmed by Rob @ NXWM WN garage that the E400H Hybrids weren't due for delivery from ADL until 2nd/3rd week of March at present
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
Could Spectras possibly be withdrawn? With tridents just being moved onto spectra routes, if presidents are being withdrawn this year, Spectras are sure to follow
Quote from: A1991 on January 06, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
WN's amount of deckers is fine, where they use them is where the problem lies.
Routes 11, and the 32/33 just need full size singles, B7RLE would be great, but 0405Ns would do the job.
That way, the routes that need deckers can be certain of deckers all the time.
EDIT: Presidents being withdrawn this year is news to me.
Quote from: Winston on January 06, 2013, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 06, 2013, 08:49:20 PM
Does anyone know when these are actually due in service and what will happen to the tridents and spectras. I know that this has cropped up a few times but now the hybrids are nearly due i'm wondering what will happen with the Tridents off the 1 and also the spectras.
If anyone can tell me then that would be great :)
What's taking so long, I thought they were ordered quite a while ago?
It was confirmed by Rob @ NXWM WN garage that the E400H Hybrids weren't due for delivery from ADL until 2nd/3rd week of March at present
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: A1991 on January 06, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
WN's amount of deckers is fine, where they use them is where the problem lies.
Routes 11, and the 32/33 just need full size singles, B7RLE would be great, but 0405Ns would do the job.
That way, the routes that need deckers can be certain of deckers all the time.
EDIT: Presidents being withdrawn this year is news to me.
Have Dundee had all the ones they are due to have?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: A1991 on January 06, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
WN's amount of deckers is fine, where they use them is where the problem lies.
Routes 11, and the 32/33 just need full size singles, B7RLE would be great, but 0405Ns would do the job.
That way, the routes that need deckers can be certain of deckers all the time.
EDIT: Presidents being withdrawn this year is news to me.
I heard from someone that presidents and mercs are being withdrawn this year
Quote from: tank90 on January 06, 2013, 10:11:09 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: A1991 on January 06, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
WN's amount of deckers is fine, where they use them is where the problem lies.
Routes 11, and the 32/33 just need full size singles, B7RLE would be great, but 0405Ns would do the job.
That way, the routes that need deckers can be certain of deckers all the time.
EDIT: Presidents being withdrawn this year is news to me.
Have Dundee had all the ones they are due to have?
No, Dundee now appear to only be due 9 not the 10 originally announced
With the amount of money that has been spent on the presidents over the last few years and recent refurbs for the ones to be used on the 5 service I'm sure they will see a few more years of service, the mercs I would think by the end of this year it could be likely that only 1628-1707 remain with the ones before that withdrawn.
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 06, 2013, 10:14:00 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 06, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: A1991 on January 06, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Personally I think the spectras and some tridents will be moved to other routes, with some tridents being transferred to other garages.
WN's amount of deckers is fine, where they use them is where the problem lies.
Routes 11, and the 32/33 just need full size singles, B7RLE would be great, but 0405Ns would do the job.
That way, the routes that need deckers can be certain of deckers all the time.
EDIT: Presidents being withdrawn this year is news to me.
I heard from someone that presidents and mercs are being withdrawn this year
I would have thought that further withdrawals from the batch of Mercs 1515 - 1627 is highly likely, top of the list will be non refurbished / TWM & TC liveried examples, further B6LE & all remaining Solo & Excel. I would think that the Presidents have another couple of years left after having an extensive refurbishment in 2008, there are still single deck routes that would benefit from being converted to double deck & increasing capacity. I think the Spectras may have another 12 months left, but they will be withdrawn before the Presidents due to being non standard & it sounds as though part are becoming harder to come by
When the hybrids come, early tridents (41**, 43**) could transfer to Yardley Wood to replace some presidents, or to BC but I'm not sure whether BC need anymore tridents
To me, the easiest solution would be to withdraw Spectras when the hybrids arrive, or cascade mercs to WB and PE to withdraw R and S reg mercs
Quote from: nx4737 on January 06, 2013, 10:06:34 PM
What's taking so long, I thought they were ordered quite a while ago?
The funding for the NXWM / NXD was awarded some time ago, but deliveries of Rotala Plc for Preston, Arriva London & Go-Ahead Oxford Bus Company have only recently been delivered / are in the process of delivery
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 06, 2013, 10:26:06 PM
To me, the easiest solution would be to ............................ cascade mercs to WB and PE to withdraw R and S reg mercs
This would seem a possibility given what's happening with B6LEs now. And the fleet age profile at WN will be very skewed towards newer vehicles after the hybrids arrive (nearly 70 vehicles 18 months old or less). This would be balanced by having 30 odd of the oldest vehicles (eg B6LE).
Also, is there also an issue funding refurbs at WN - most of the Mercs are the newer ones but in TWM livery - and that huge batch of Tridents in the 45xx to 46xx series is only part done - seems to make sense to move the newer Mercs elsewhere to replace the earlier ones.
It would make sense to get rid of the Spectras this year, however if they cling on a bit longer then that would mean however many Tridents would more than likely have to transfer to my personal guess YW to withdraw Presidents, mind you that seems barmy considering a fair few have recently or are having a second refurb
This has I think been discussed before so remove if irrelevent!
Information I have that WN are loaning a B5 and a 400H for type training and the new Hybrids which will be B5L & Enviro 400H's will be delivered shortly and enter service end of March. This will very conveniently coincide with the Metro replacement service from March 30 - April 14. I therefore pursume the Hybrids may go on the 1 as previously suggested which will free up some Tridents for the rail replaqcement work. I have been told all the Excells/Solo's will be going along with some of the Mercs. So my question is what will happen to the surplus Tridents? does anyone know if this is actually true?
What about your spectras 4006?
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
What about your spectras 4006?
Ah Yes I forgot to mention...due to be withdrawn Feb/March they are not (so I been told) the Spectra's will soldier on (fortunately for some, unfortunately for others!) for the meantime at least anyhows!
Maybe they will indeed go once the new Hybrids are in place? but the info I have is they will be staying for a bit longer!
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 10, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
What about your spectras 4006?
Ah Yes I forgot to mention...due to be withdrawn Feb/March they are not (so I been told) the Spectra's will soldier on (fortunately for some, unfortunately for others!) for the meantime at least anyhows!
Maybe they will indeed go once the new Hybrids are in place? but the info I have is they will be staying for a bit longer!
Im glad i read this now, becuase now my main focus is to get pictures of all the Spectras before they go 8)
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 10, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
What about your spectras 4006?
Ah Yes I forgot to mention...due to be withdrawn Feb/March they are not (so I been told) the Spectra's will soldier on (fortunately for some, unfortunately for others!) for the meantime at least anyhows!
Maybe they will indeed go once the new Hybrids are in place? but the info I have is they will be staying for a bit longer!
If the Spectras are sticking around a little longer, I would improve the internal appearances greatly if they were treated to a retrim.
With all the new deckers due this year is does appear that NX are increasing the proportion of double deckers within its fleet
Nobody can corfirm what the hybrids are replacing yet.
Plus they are due in 2 batches. Volvos are being PDI'd this week and should be in the midlands next week.
The ADL's should be landing around the 2nd week in March.
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
I agree, 4006 was on the 255 today, i think they still look modern considering their age, could do with some TLC internally though
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
Pennsnett Winston people on here seem to want them? Not digging at anyone.
Quote from: Discodave on February 12, 2013, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
Pennsnett Winston people on here seem to want them? Not digging at anyone.
I'd love to see them at Pensnett, whether Pensnett staff would be so happy is another matter.
Pensnett could do with more Euro 3 double deckers to cover the Enviro 400s on the 9, 141 and maybe provide so double deck workings on certain boards on the 120,140 & 241 rather than older deckers
good solid bus the spectras are.....will be a sad day when they leave.....hope rotala buy then.... lol!!
Are these new buses going to be branded for the route and does anyone know the fleet numbers yet
Wild guess for fleet numbers would they carry on in the 54xx and 55xx fashion that BC use.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
4001 moved today, its made it out the garage.........only to the yard mind you!
PDIs in Ireland went well for WN's B5LH's. Should be here by the end of feb.
Quote from: BN on February 15, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
4001 moved today, its made it out the garage.........only to the yard mind you!
At least it's back on its feet!!
Quote from: JackC on February 14, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
Wild guess for fleet numbers would they carry on in the 54xx and 55xx fashion that BC use.
Seems logical.
Quote from: John on February 15, 2013, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: BN on February 15, 2013, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Well they are still repairing 4001, so i doubt whether the Spectra's will be withdrawn just yet, plus with other garages requiring Double Deckers it would seem silly to send them to the scrap man.
I happen to think that the Spectra's are some of the smartest deckers in the WN fleet!
4001 moved today, its made it out the garage.........only to the yard mind you!
At least it's back on its feet!!
Good on NXWM for repairing this I say, because lets be perfectly honest from an economics point of view it probably didn't make much sense, especially with WN getting another 21 new deckers in, plus they could always have just transferred in another B6, or kept an Excel going although that wouldn't be ideal as WN are strugiling for Deckers with a few unusual workings here and there
There aren't enough replacements for all Excels and some Mercs are there and can i assume the R reg ones would go first?
Quote from: Ashley on February 15, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
There aren't enough replacements for all Excels and some Mercs are there and can i assume the R reg ones would go first?
There are only 5 Excels left (684, 687, 693, 708 & 711) of the 4 R-reg Mercs remaining @ WN 1543 & 1546 have both been refurbished & repainted in NX livery, so these may stick around a while longer yet. It may be none T/V-reg Mercs could end going to Coventry / Pensnett or West Bromwich to allow the withdrawal of 15--- / early 16-- series non refurbished Mercs
No plan to get rid of anymore excels or mercs from WN as yet. Hybrids are replacing tridents to go to YW.
By the way look out for the Volvo Hybrids 4 should be arriving w/c 18.2.13!
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:58:26 AM
By the way look out for the Volvo Hybrids 4 should be arriving w/c 18.2.13!
When will they be in service. Will they be put out all together with the Enviro400H's or on their own before?.
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:58:26 AM
No plan to get rid of anymore excels or mercs from WN as yet. Hybrids are replacing tridents to go to YW.
Is this to allow the Enviro's to go to PE? Or to dispatch some more B10's and maybe even a few Presidents
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:58:26 AM
No plan to get rid of anymore excels or mercs from WN as yet. Hybrids are replacing tridents to go to YW.
By the way look out for the Volvo Hybrids 4 should be arriving w/c 18.2.13!
BN, sorry didn't see this reply before posting on the other thread about WN loosing Excels etc
Quote from: wilmotm on February 16, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2013, 08:58:26 AM
No plan to get rid of anymore excels or mercs from WN as yet. Hybrids are replacing tridents to go to YW.
Is this to allow the Enviro's to go to PE? Or to dispatch some more B10's and maybe even a few Presidents
Dundee are still expecting a further 3 Presidents, no doubt after WN's hybrids enter service, I'm thinking it could be 4120-4122 from YW to make a batch with 4123/4 already working up there
I aint saw 5501 nxwm hybird for ages I don't think not at birmingham central
Quote from: raymondthebest on February 16, 2013, 09:41:21 PM
I aint saw 5501 nxwm hybird for ages I don't think not at birmingham central
Maybe its at WN for driver/engineer familiarisation as they are due some of the type shortly?
5403/5503 are the hybrids at WN for type training. Pretty sure it has been mentioned that 4 hybrids are due for delivery on monday (18/2/13)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 09:57:12 PM
5403/5503 are the hybrids at WN for type training. Pretty sure it has been mentioned that 4 hybrids are due for delivery on monday (18/2/13)
Oh right, perhaps 5501 is out of action then.
Okay thanks i heard 5501 suffered minor accent
Have you saw 5501 at wn
Do we have a date for when Park Lanes
New buses on the 1 will be on the road or as 4 are due
Monday what the chances off them been out
on Saturday and do the laugh when they
are all at Park Lane
Quote from: Solo1 on February 16, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
Do we have a date for when Park Lanes
New buses on the 1 will be on the road or as 4 are due
Monday what the chances off them been out
on Saturday and do the laugh when they
are all at Park Lane
Saturday....No chance!
Quote from: Solo1 on February 16, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
Do we have a date for when Park Lanes
New buses on the 1 will be on the road or as 4 are due
Monday what the chances off them been out
on Saturday and do the laugh when they
are all at Park Lane
I think Mr BN said they should arrive in week commencing 18/2 so not necessarily Monday. Can't comment on the laughter.
They've as much chance of being in service Saturday as wolverhampton wonderers have winning the premiership this season
We're expecting 4 this week, but more like minimum of a week after arrival to get them ready. There is also a launch party being organised "Turning Wolverhampton Green" i've heard.
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
We're expecting 4 this week, but more like minimum of a week after arrival to get them ready. There is also a launch party being organised "Turning Wolverhampton Green" i've heard.
They may as well now wait until 1st March and register them as 13 plates
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
We're expecting 4 this week, but more like minimum of a week after arrival to get them ready. There is also a launch party being organised "Turning Wolverhampton Green" i've heard.
They may as well now wait until 1st March and register them as 13 plates
May well do as Wrights haven't fitted registration plates. Here are the first two
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5510.html
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
We're expecting 4 this week, but more like minimum of a week after arrival to get them ready. There is also a launch party being organised "Turning Wolverhampton Green" i've heard.
They may as well now wait until 1st March and register them as 13 plates
May well do as Wrights haven't fitted registration plates. Here are the first two
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5510.html
It would be daft to register them as 62 plates now this close to the new registration, It would be nice for NX to launch them on the 1st March
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2013, 10:44:09 AM
We're expecting 4 this week, but more like minimum of a week after arrival to get them ready. There is also a launch party being organised "Turning Wolverhampton Green" i've heard.
They may as well now wait until 1st March and register them as 13 plates
May well do as Wrights haven't fitted registration plates. Here are the first two
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5510.html
These look much tidier with black window surrounds.
It may just be the sunlight, but does anybody else think the green is darker than on the other Hybrids?
Quote from: D10 on February 17, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
It may just be the sunlight, but does anybody else think the green is darker than on the other Hybrids?
Does look slightly darker, but then the buses do seem to be parked in the shade!
Well the Presidents haven't lasted long then at YW, even though theyre giving some second refurbs, or is another mad suprise President transfer planned?
Yes I hear they are to be 13 plates.
Quote from: raymondthebest on February 16, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
Okay thanks i heard 5501 suffered minor accent
That will be a Brummie accent then?
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
"Turning Wolverhampton green", youd have to knock half of it down and grass it over to do that
Quote from: Ashley on February 18, 2013, 09:23:07 PM
"Turning Wolverhampton green", youd have to knock half of it down and grass it over to do that
i think it should at least have been 'turning the black country green' seeing as half of the route is in dudley and no doubt they'll end up on other routes too
Its like when 4535 carried "investing in Wolverhampton", not too relevant to people in Birmingham. Where as when the Dudley Road got 06 Geminis, they used investing in sandwell and the black country if I rmemeber
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 18, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
I think its 9 or 10 that are being branded so we could try and sneak them out on other routes but they want them kept in and around Wolves so maybe not the 126.
Quote from: Ashley on February 18, 2013, 09:23:07 PM
"Turning Wolverhampton green", youd have to knock half of it down and grass it over to do that
Scrap that, found out its now "This number 1 is Hybrid".
serving the dingles lol :)
Quote from: BN on February 19, 2013, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 18, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
I think its 9 or 10 that are being branded so we could try and sneak them out on other routes but they want them kept in and around Wolves so maybe not the 126.
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 18, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
Correct me if I wrong, but I'd assume that as some of the cost was funded from a government grant I'd assume that they have to stay on the route that NX origionally bid for. Same situation as to why the new Volvo Hybrids aren't being transferred straight away in exchange for E400Hs.
Is that the reason the new B5LHs are going to WN rather than BC? I'd presumed that NXWM would be ok to move Hybrids between routes if they'd received fundings for each of those routes but I might be wrong. Also, the BC Hybrids regularly appear on the 24, usually 2 or 3 a day so I would have thought that WN's might be given license to roam sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Driver03 on February 19, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
Quote from: BN on February 19, 2013, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 18, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
I think its 9 or 10 that are being branded so we could try and sneak them out on other routes but they want them kept in and around Wolves so maybe not the 126.
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on February 18, 2013, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 18, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Are there any plans to try the hybrids out on longer distance routes to see how they cope.
All the routes they have been tried out on, 22/23 and now the 1 are very much small, stop/start routes, what about seeing how they would fair on something like the 126 or 256 which should see how they operate under different conditions?
You would persume that any bus paid in the excess of 100K would be fit for any route/any distance. I certainly wouldn't buy one if it was not :o :o :o
Correct me if I wrong, but I'd assume that as some of the cost was funded from a government grant I'd assume that they have to stay on the route that NX origionally bid for. Same situation as to why the new Volvo Hybrids aren't being transferred straight away in exchange for E400Hs.
Perhaps i phrased it badly, but i was wondering if there are plans to trial the hybrids on different types of route. presumably, NXWM will contemplate buying more Hybrids in the future
They are currently used on routes that are very much stop start, but how would these buses fair on a route like 256 which has a bit of higher speed running between Penn and Wombourne. As a lot of the savings are made when these buses depart from stops etc:, would a route like 256 benefit from using this type of bus, or are normal buses just as good?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 19, 2013, 10:50:10 AM
Perhaps i phrased it badly, but i was wondering if there are plans to trial the hybrids on different types of route. presumably, NXWM will contemplate buying more Hybrids in the future
They are currently used on routes that are very much stop start, but how would these buses fair on a route like 256 which has a bit of higher speed running between Penn and Wombourne. As a lot of the savings are made when these buses depart from stops etc:, would a route like 256 benefit from using this type of bus, or are normal buses just as good?
Brighton and Hove are currently undertaking this type of experiment. They have Volvo 13 B5LH's and 10 of these are used on a busy cross-city stop-start route (the 7 from Hove to the Marina). However, they are currently using the other 3 on their service 28 from Brighton to Lewes. This route is limited stop for the first 3 miles from Brighton to the Universities and Amex, and then runs as a fast service for about 3 miles along the A27 dual-carriageway to the outskirts of Lewes, before becoming all-stops for the final mile or so. It will be interesting to see what their conclusions are.
Perhaps WN could trial some Hybrids on the 255/256 on a Sunday to find out how they perform on this type of route.
going on information on Londons ones the hybrids buses of any sort tend to be the best on stop start condition routes on a route like the 256 they would be about the same or worse than a normal diesel bus.
The Brighton & Hove experiment of Hybrids on route 28 to Lewes is being quietly dropped (no pun intended) because of the nature of the route, it doesn't stop often enough! They don't intend to buy anymore hybrid buses for the foreseeable future as the battery's take up a lot of room under the floor preventing Brighton's usual layout of tip up seats along the whole of the nearside of the vehicle in front of the rear wheels.
Heres 5513:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_simpson/8490458964/
The rear windows are clear, wonder if they will stay that way?!
Did the earlier Hybrids get delivered without any of the branding like these newer ones?
Quote from: John on February 20, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Did the earlier Hybrids get delivered without any of the branding like these newer ones?
They were like it, i remember seeing them on pics at the docks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/6340803632/in/photostream/
Quote from: John on February 20, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Did the earlier Hybrids get delivered without any of the branding like these newer ones?
No, both the E400Hs and the B5LHs arrived fully branded last time round.
I was thinking wouldn't it have made more sense to use the hybrids on the 126? It's a showcase route, the only route connecting Wolverhampton and Birmingham and it's well used - I'd love to see Hybrids going down the Hagley Road, much rather that than those old Tridents :)
The hybrids will be great for the number 1, stuck in traffic on tettenhall road, stuck in traffic in sedgley and stuck in traffic in Wolverhampton street in dudley. Sedgley will be the big difference though, 5pm -6pm through there can take anywhere between 15 & 20 mins if not longer so lots of stop & starts there.
Do we know if all of the new Hybrids will be fitted for stop/start.
Interestingly in London all the hybrids for the 73 (all 54 of them) are fitted for stop / start!
When i was there the other week, an elderly couple got off the bus saying they were going to wait for the bus behind as this one was obviously faulty as the engine kept cutting out every time it stopped!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 20, 2013, 08:18:30 PM
Hybrid buses are only good for routes with start stop traffic so tgey would not be ideal for the 126 as that doesn't have lots of start-stop traffic
Whoops! Nobody told the Chicago Transit Authority that. They have 240 hybrid articulated buses the majority of which are used on limited stop routes north and south of the city on Lake Shore Drive. Traveling 5-10 miles non-stop (traffic permitting).
Quote from: Mike K on February 20, 2013, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: John on February 20, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Did the earlier Hybrids get delivered without any of the branding like these newer ones?
No, both the E400Hs and the B5LHs arrived fully branded last time round.
Well the first one has arrived today! It's a B5 No branding/logo's or fleet No's at the mo
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 20, 2013, 09:25:53 PM
Do we know if all of the new Hybrids will be fitted for stop/start.
Interestingly in London all the hybrids for the 73 (all 54 of them) are fitted for stop / start!
When i was there the other week, an elderly couple got off the bus saying they were going to wait for the bus behind as this one was obviously faulty as the engine kept cutting out every time it stopped!
The B5LHs are stop start and I'm pretty sure I read that this latest batch of E400Hs will be too. Of the BC E400s, 5409 has had stop start technology retro fitted.
5510 now at WN, 5511 here this afternoon also.
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 08:12:05 AM
5510 now at WN, 5511 here this afternoon also.
Others also now delivered!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8494915609/in/photostream/
5514?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8496017676/in/photostream/
5510, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 now at WN
The stop start thing comfused me a little at first, its the next stop annoucements that will wear thin after a few journeys, they couldn't have used the iBus woman could they :P
Quote from: Ashley on February 22, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
The stop start thing comfused me a little at first, its the next stop annoucements that will wear thin after a few journeys, they couldn't have used the iBus woman could they :P
Just like the metro in the early days I was sick of hearing the tram went to Snow Hill 1 million times (well it felt like it).
Quote from: Discodave on February 22, 2013, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: Ashley on February 22, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
The stop start thing comfused me a little at first, its the next stop annoucements that will wear thin after a few journeys, they couldn't have used the iBus woman could they :P
Just like the metro in the early days I was sick of hearing the tram went to Snow Hill 1 million times (well it felt like it).
at least not as bad as London where the route number & destination is announced after every stop, presumably for the blind and partially sighted. However if you are on the wrong bus it is to late, as the bus has already started to move.
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 11:51:22 PM
5510, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 now at WN
nxdundee have a picture of what the new hybrid branding will be on their website,wn 1 service pressumably similar same type of branding.
Quote from: pb2012 on February 22, 2013, 07:00:32 PM
Quote from: BN on February 21, 2013, 11:51:22 PM
5510, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 now at WN
nxdundee have a picture of what the new hybrid branding will be on their website,wn 1 service pressumably similar same type of branding.
Here a bigger version on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/82245594@N07/8491934297
Thought I might try the "add poll" thing just to see what the general preference is regarding the two hybrid vehicles
5506 at hartshorne Walsall seen at 0145 J10 M6 I followed it onto black country route from the motorway
Quote from: Discodave on February 23, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
5506 at hartshorne Walsall seen at 0145 J10 M6 I followed it onto black country route from the motorway
With that one away, 5501 seemingly off the road as reported on here, and presumably 2 hybrids at PL for type training again this weekend, there were 3 non hybrid boards on the 22/23 today. Buses were 4157, LED fitted 4325, and 4390. 5404 and 5504 were still on the 24 though, but I believe these are on boards that run through to the end of service at night.
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 23, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
5506 at hartshorne Walsall seen at 0145 J10 M6 I followed it onto black country route from the motorway
With that one away, 5501 seemingly off the road as reported on here, and presumably 2 hybrids at PL for type training again this weekend, there were 3 non hybrid boards on the 22/23 today. Buses were 4157, LED fitted 4325, and 4390. 5404 and 5504 were still on the 24 though, but I believe these are on boards that run through to the end of service at night.
Only 5403 at Wolverrhampton. They've got their own Volvos now
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 23, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
5506 at hartshorne Walsall seen at 0145 J10 M6 I followed it onto black country route from the motorway
With that one away, 5501 seemingly off the road as reported on here, and presumably 2 hybrids at PL for type training again this weekend, there were 3 non hybrid boards on the 22/23 today. Buses were 4157, LED fitted 4325, and 4390. 5404 and 5504 were still on the 24 though, but I believe these are on boards that run through to the end of service at night.
Only 5403 at Wolverrhampton. They've got their own Volvos now
I'm not familiar with what type training involves, so excuse me if this is a daft question, but do they take buses out on the public roads, and if so can they use the new B5LHs as they aren't yet registered (can they take them out on trade plates)?
Or is it just a case of a few minutes familiarisation with the controls?
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 23, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: Mike K on February 23, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 23, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
5506 at hartshorne Walsall seen at 0145 J10 M6 I followed it onto black country route from the motorway
With that one away, 5501 seemingly off the road as reported on here, and presumably 2 hybrids at PL for type training again this weekend, there were 3 non hybrid boards on the 22/23 today. Buses were 4157, LED fitted 4325, and 4390. 5404 and 5504 were still on the 24 though, but I believe these are on boards that run through to the end of service at night.
Only 5403 at Wolverrhampton. They've got their own Volvos now
I'm not familiar with what type training involves, so excuse me if this is a daft question, but do they take buses out on the public roads, and if so can they use the new B5LHs as they aren't yet registered (can they take them out on trade plates)?
Or is it just a case of a few minutes familiarisation with the controls?
Don't normally need to go out on the road, just around the garage will do. Wolverhampton were using 5511 and 5403 today
Only been on the E400Hs. In terms of engine, the B5LH sounds better, but on the other hand, it has that strange downstairs seating layout, I'll post my opinion once I have ridden a B5LH
Quote from: Shaun on February 23, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
Only been on the E400Hs. In terms of engine, the B5LH sounds better, but on the other hand, it has that strange downstairs seating layout, I'll post my opinion once I have ridden a B5LH
Pity they couldn't replace the announcer, Phil Uptons voice does tend to become rather annoying, couldn't they use the London iBus lady. Much more soothing voice.
Dread to think who we will get in Wolverhampton, Jasper Carrot?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 23, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: Shaun on February 23, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
Only been on the E400Hs. In terms of engine, the B5LH sounds better, but on the other hand, it has that strange downstairs seating layout, I'll post my opinion once I have ridden a B5LH
Pity they couldn't replace the announcer, Phil Uptons voice does tend to become rather annoying, couldn't they use the London iBus lady. Much more soothing voice.
Dread to think who we will get in Wolverhampton, Jasper Carrot?
Nah thats what Redditch would get Jasper Carrot, Lenny Herny for Wolverhampton maybe.
Surely an Acocks Green run route would get Jasper?
He comes from round there surely?
Steve bull has gotta be the man for wolves
Quote from: richie on February 23, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
Steve bull has gotta be the man for wolves
Or Beverley Knight
Adrian Chiles or Frank Skinner for any talking buses around West Brom should they ever get any? ;)
A Dudley road bus would definitely be ideal for a hybrid
Quote from: dgss1 on February 24, 2013, 06:21:15 PM
A Dudley road bus would definitely be ideal for a hybrid
I would imagine that the Soho Road services would be a better place in terms of WB services to give Hybirds a run about. Plenty of stop/start action down that road.
Quote from: JackC on February 24, 2013, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on February 24, 2013, 06:21:15 PM
A Dudley road bus would definitely be ideal for a hybrid
I would imagine that the Soho Road services would be a better place in terms of WB services to give Hybirds a run about. Plenty of stop/start action down that road.
Would be ideal for the 74E (Birmingham - Island Road)
Quote from: JackC on February 24, 2013, 05:11:25 PM
Adrian Chiles or Frank Skinner for any talking buses around West Brom should they ever get any? ;)
With Adrian Chiles voice at least you could go to sleep with his drones.
Quote from: richie on February 23, 2013, 10:52:05 PM
Steve bull has gotta be the man for wolves
And the buses will go down to league 1 lol.
Quote from: Discodave on February 25, 2013, 11:01:42 AM
Quote from: JackC on February 24, 2013, 05:11:25 PM
Adrian Chiles or Frank Skinner for any talking buses around West Brom should they ever get any? ;)
With Adrian Chiles voice at least you could go to sleep with his drones.
Adrian Goldberg, to go with his former colleague Mr Flupton!
Volvo's should be in service next week, registrations are being done as we speak and ticket machines were being installed yesterday. Now awaiting the arrival of the E400H's.
Quote from: Driver03 on March 01, 2013, 10:55:57 AM
Volvo's should be in service next week, registrations are being done as we speak and ticket machines were being installed yesterday. Now awaiting the arrival of the E400H's.
Are the first of the E400H still due third week of March?
Quote from: Winston on March 01, 2013, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on March 01, 2013, 10:55:57 AM
Volvo's should be in service next week, registrations are being done as we speak and ticket machines were being installed yesterday. Now awaiting the arrival of the E400H's.
Are the first of the E400H still due third week of March?
As far as I'm aware yes that's still the case, BN should be able to confirm that with more accuracy though.
Are there any plans to route brand any of the Volvos or will they just carry generic Hybrid 'green leaves' branding?
Quote from: Mike K on March 01, 2013, 11:39:51 AM
Are there any plans to route brand any of the Volvos or will they just carry generic Hybrid 'green leaves' branding?
As far as I'm aware they are being branded for the 1. Brandings should be being applied any day now (they are still plain green/white at the minute)
First Volvo seen with registration no. BX13JNL no fleet no. as of yet.
Been on a birmingham hybrid today, a volvo one. Nice buses to travel on
Pity they don't put hybrids on the 11 route ?
Quote from: Mick the gent on March 02, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
Pity they don't put hybrids on the 11 route ?
A good idea but it seems the presidents have a lot more life yet espically as the 11 (if its the outer circle as there are so many other 11 routes) is a well known route not just in the West Midlands.
Can you imagine how many they'd need though to convert the 11 to hybrid buses. I bet they don't come cheap. :P it's a nice idea though, a showcase route should get showcase buses.
There is currently a volvo hybird parked up at the bus parts place in Great Bridge it is one of BC's probably having some windows repaired or something similar.
Quote from: Ash on March 02, 2013, 03:47:24 PM
There is currently a volvo hybird parked up at the bus parts place in Great Bridge it is one of BC's probably having some windows repaired or something similar.
Good chance of it having a window done.
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
Doesn't look like this is going to happen now.
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
Theyre not are they??
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
Doesn't look like this is going to happen now.
Oh, so whats happening now ?
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
They are not any more. I think that was the plan at first but Wolverhampton are getting some of both Hybrids
Quote from: John on March 03, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
When are the BC envrios being transferred to WN
They are not any more. I think that was the plan at first but Wolverhampton are getting some of both Hybrids
All 21 of them, the new ones that is. ;)
Well the 1 obviously needs more than the 9 B5's to cover the PVR which is about 18-20 I think, so I assume they'll receive the 12 E400H's
So the Current Hybirds on the 22/23/24 at Birmingham are Staying
An Wolverhampton are getting new Hybrids for route 1 none of which are coming from Birmingham
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Well the 1 obviously needs more than the 9 B5's to cover the PVR which is about 18-20 I think, so I assume they'll receive the 12 E400H's
The PVR of the 1 is 21. So they're receiving 12 E400H & 9 B5s
Quote from: Shaun on March 03, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Well the 1 obviously needs more than the 9 B5's to cover the PVR which is about 18-20 I think, so I assume they'll receive the 12 E400H's
The PVR of the 1 is 21. So they're receiving 12 E400H & 9 B5s
What baffles me is why not give Wolverhampton 10 or 11 of each Hybrid rather than 9 Volvo and 12 Enviro400H.
Why don't they stick with the old plan of transfer the BC Enviro400H to WN
then the Volvo B5HLS come to BC
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:50:31 AM
Why don't they stick with the old plan of transfer the BC Enviro400H to WN
then the Volvo B5HLS come to BC
I don't think that was a plan. Just an assumption
Quote from: Shaun on March 03, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Well the 1 obviously needs more than the 9 B5's to cover the PVR which is about 18-20 I think, so I assume they'll receive the 12 E400H's
The PVR of the 1 is 21. So they're receiving 12 E400H & 9 B5s
None spare at peak times then, so the odd Trident/Spectra should still appear
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Shaun on March 03, 2013, 11:47:44 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Well the 1 obviously needs more than the 9 B5's to cover the PVR which is about 18-20 I think, so I assume they'll receive the 12 E400H's
The PVR of the 1 is 21. So they're receiving 12 E400H & 9 B5s
None spare at peak times then, so the odd Trident/Spectra should still appear
The odd 1 would probally appear out on another route i.e 529
Maybe not 529 as it run by walsall
Quote from: danny on March 03, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
Maybe not 529 as it run by walsall
The 529 was transferred to WN when the changing of the numbers in WA happened
Quote from: danny on March 03, 2013, 12:32:42 PM
Maybe not 529 as it run by walsall
The 529 is now run by Wolverhampton
In that case I apologise I didn't relise.
Quote from: danny on March 03, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
In that case I apologise I didn't relise.
Everyone makes mistakes, me included :P
Quote from: NathanJC on March 03, 2013, 11:47:37 AM
So the Current Hybirds on the 22/23/24 at Birmingham are Staying
An Wolverhampton are getting new Hybrids for route 1 none of which are coming from Birmingham
As far as I'm aware it was pure assumption of E400s transferring from BC to WN and in time this may still happen, however the Green Bus Fund award was for the number 1 service and as far I know the buses purchased must be used on the route bid for, for at least 12 months. Plus if they did do the transfer the 'shine' of new buses for the route would be lost ;).
To confirm all hybrids received will be new, transfers may/not happen in future.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5507.html
Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about there being a photo of a hybrid on the 97 :)
I've never seen one on any route apart from the 22/23/24. Maybe I'm biased because the 97 is my local route but the hybrids look good on it!
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
Saturday looks like 'Launch day'
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
Saturday looks like 'Launch day'
Are all 9 expected to be on the 1 on Saturday?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 07, 2013, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
Saturday looks like 'Launch day'
Are all 9 expected to be on the 1 on Saturday?
probably not or their wouldn't be any available for the 'launch'
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 07, 2013, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
Saturday looks like 'Launch day'
Are all 9 expected to be on the 1 on Saturday?
probably not or their wouldn't be any available for the 'launch'
Is their to be a "big launch"?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 07, 2013, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 07, 2013, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Quote from: A1991 on March 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
is it still the plan for the WN ones to be in service tomorrow ?
Would it be better to start them on a Sunday or Monday with a big launch or something they are the first hybrids in the black country.
I haven't got any details
Saturday looks like 'Launch day'
Are all 9 expected to be on the 1 on Saturday?
probably not or their wouldn't be any available for the 'launch'
Is their to be a "big launch"?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 03, 2013, 11:58:37 AM
None spare at peak times then, so the odd Trident/Spectra should still appear
Personally loving the idea that the 1 will have all brand spanking new buses..... except for one random old spectra still plodding along in amongst
I'm hoping we get to see one sneaking onto the 529 occasionally, would be very interesting seeing green in walsall!
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2013, 11:06:20 PM
I'm hoping we get to see one sneaking onto the 529 occasionally, would be very interesting seeing green in walsall!
Or the 256, not very likely I know, but would love to see one in Stourbridge...
If they're anything like the Birmingham hybrids, they'll stay on the route they're meant for and that's that :(
Quote from: JB93 on March 07, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
If they're anything like the Birmingham hybrids, they'll stay on the route they're meant for and that's that :(
JB93,
Don't forget the B'ham Hybrids are used on the 24 & have also been seen on the 97 on occasions, so not totally beyond the relms........
Quote from: Winston on March 08, 2013, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: JB93 on March 07, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
If they're anything like the Birmingham hybrids, they'll stay on the route they're meant for and that's that :(
JB93,
Don't forget the B'ham Hybrids are used on the 24 & have also been seen on the 97 on occasions, so not totally beyond the relms........
Tony's most recent photo of 5507 shows it on the 97: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5507.html
Birmingham Hybrids dont really stay on there routes though do they as Winston has pointed out the 24 is always seeing them, and for a while last year they were daily on the afternoon 97.
Plus judging by the amount of off route 6 branded b7rles that have been sighted lately, Wolves dont like keeping buses on there intended routes :P
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 08, 2013, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 08, 2013, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: JB93 on March 07, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
If they're anything like the Birmingham hybrids, they'll stay on the route they're meant for and that's that :(
JB93,
Don't forget the B'ham Hybrids are used on the 24 & have also been seen on the 97 on occasions, so not totally beyond the relms........
Tony's most recent photo of 5507 shows it on the 97: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5507.html
That's true but the 24 can kind of be lumped in with the 22 and 23 to be honest - it's the Harborne corridor. But they surely aren't used on the 97 that often. I lived on that route for years, ever since the Hybrids first arrived, and caught it pretty much every day, and have never once seen a hybrid on there apart from in Tony's photo.
Quote from: JB93 on March 08, 2013, 12:13:23 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 08, 2013, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 08, 2013, 12:06:16 AM
Quote from: JB93 on March 07, 2013, 11:58:58 PM
If they're anything like the Birmingham hybrids, they'll stay on the route they're meant for and that's that :(
JB93,
Don't forget the B'ham Hybrids are used on the 24 & have also been seen on the 97 on occasions, so not totally beyond the relms........
Tony's most recent photo of 5507 shows it on the 97: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5507.html
That's true but the 24 can kind of be lumped in with the 22 and 23 to be honest - it's the Harborne corridor. But they surely aren't used on the 97 that often. I lived on that route for years, ever since the Hybrids first arrived, and caught it pretty much every day, and have never once seen a hybrid on there apart from in Tony's photo.
They've definitely appeared on the 97 a number of times, possibly only on peak workings
Not going to spoil the surprise, but you'll all love the route branding on these Hybrids ;)
where will the lauch be & will the buses stay there all day to high light the service 1
All,
There will be a hybrid in Wolverhampton high street tomorrow morning for photos it will then run the 1 and then be parked in dudley high street for photos.
All 9 will be out Monday run out.
Hope this helps.
Do you know what time it will leave wolverhampton for Dudley
Will the hybrid be in Dudley all day & whats the chances of
More been out in service
Quote from: BN on March 08, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
All,
There will be a hybrid in Wolverhampton high street tomorrow morning for photos it will then run the 1 and then be parked in dudley high street for photos.
All 9 will be out Monday run out.
Hope this helps.
Only one hybrid will be on the 1 tomorrow?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 08, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: BN on March 08, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
All,
There will be a hybrid in Wolverhampton high street tomorrow morning for photos it will then run the 1 and then be parked in dudley high street for photos.
All 9 will be out Monday run out.
Hope this helps.
Only one hybrid will be on the 1 tomorrow?
would have thought they would have waited for the Enviros to arrive and had a big launch with the 1 being a 100% hybrid route?
None will be in service on Saturday, They will enter public use on Monday.
The launch will include one bus and staff (including me) giving freebies and information out.
It will be at Queens Square, Wolverhampton from 09:30 until 12:00. It will then be driven along the 1 route to Tettenhall Wood sometime between 12:00 and 12:30 and will be parked up at Tettenhall Green until approximately 13:45. It will then be driven along the route to Dudley Bus Station, stay there for a short time then back to Wolverhampton stopping in Sedgeley for a short time
Thanks for the details! I'll be there for sure. Is it known which vehicle will be used yet?
And here is the branding.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71592768@N08/8539440075/
So now, instead of green vinyl on red buses, we have it the other way around. Looks quite smart though!
OMG, I may be biased a little bit because its my local route but that looks a lot better that the birmingham ones
It looks a good, it would have been nice to see a black then white / green leaf combination. Turning the Black Country green with some stagecoach style branding with local industrial images on interior and exterior. Celebrate the investment and then celebrate the technology in the pioneering area of technology.
Quote from: Gareth on March 08, 2013, 11:53:03 PM
And here is the branding.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71592768@N08/8539440075/
So now, instead of green vinyl on red buses, we have it the other way around. Looks quite smart though!
Looks the part....... I like it!
Very smart looking with this branding!
I love the style of it but not too sure that orange was the best colour choice. In fairness the brandings coming out lately seem to be of a much higher standard than when the NXWM brand was first introduced, first there was the grey blobs then the green patches, but now it seems we are seeing some respectable looking buses(and different coloured routes again)!
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
I love the style of it but not too sure that orange was the best colour choice. In fairness the brandings coming out lately seem to be of a much higher standard than when the NXWM brand was first introduced, first there was the grey blobs then the green patches, but now it seems we are seeing some respectable looking buses(and different coloured routes again)!
It's red (even though red & green should never be seen & all that.......). I agree NX finally seem to have got it right with the latest style of branding's, the only problem I can see is certain colours either clashing or not been so bold against the standard NX red in the livery
Whoever thought it would be a good a idea to brand all routes in the same horrible green........
Quote from: Winston on March 09, 2013, 01:03:58 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
I love the style of it but not too sure that orange was the best colour choice. In fairness the brandings coming out lately seem to be of a much higher standard than when the NXWM brand was first introduced, first there was the grey blobs then the green patches, but now it seems we are seeing some respectable looking buses(and different coloured routes again)!
It's red (even though red & green should never be seen & all that.......). I agree NX finally seem to have got it right with the latest style of branding's, the only problem I can see is certain colours either clashing or not been so bold against the standard NX red in the livery
Whoever thought it would be a good a idea to brand all routes in the same horrible green........
Must be my crap screen then!
That could be said of the pink 82/87s the colour near enough blends in under the windscreen but at the same time, it is still an improvement on what went before it :P I wonder if the 9s and 50s will get the same branding once the swap has taken place, will be interesting to see what colours they get if any!
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2013, 01:13:56 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 09, 2013, 01:03:58 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
I love the style of it but not too sure that orange was the best colour choice. In fairness the brandings coming out lately seem to be of a much higher standard than when the NXWM brand was first introduced, first there was the grey blobs then the green patches, but now it seems we are seeing some respectable looking buses(and different coloured routes again)!
It's red (even though red & green should never be seen & all that.......). I agree NX finally seem to have got it right with the latest style of branding's, the only problem I can see is certain colours either clashing or not been so bold against the standard NX red in the livery
Whoever thought it would be a good a idea to brand all routes in the same horrible green........
Must be my crap screen then!
That could be said of the pink 82/87s the colour near enough blends in under the windscreen but at the same time, it is still an improvement on what went before it :P I wonder if the 9s and 50s will get the same branding once the swap has taken place, will be interesting to see what colours they get if any!
The Dudley Rd pink does look a little lost against the NX red, but as you say a vast improvement on the previous green branding.
The latest styles & colours are much better than the recent X96 & 33 branding
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1631.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4843.html
I'd say this is the best branding they've done yet. It's a shame I can't make it to the launch tomorrow, sounds like it could be fun.
what time will it leave dudley
I'm going to hazzard a guess that not all of them will be branded?
Quote from: Gareth on March 08, 2013, 11:53:03 PM
And here is the branding.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/71592768@N08/8539440075/
So now, instead of green vinyl on red buses, we have it the other way around. Looks quite smart though!
Now that is very good!
Quote from: Kevin on March 09, 2013, 08:06:55 AM
I'm going to hazzard a guess that not all of them will be branded?
As they're all intended for the 1 service, I don't see why they shouldn't all be branded.
The best branding yet by far. (In my opinion)
If people want them to sneak on other services why brand them they would look stupid. See other posts.
Quote from: Stu on March 09, 2013, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Kevin on March 09, 2013, 08:06:55 AM
I'm going to hazzard a guess that not all of them will be branded?
As they're all intended for the 1 service, I don't see why they shouldn't all be branded.
I reckon, they'll leave a handful unbranded, as all 21 shouldn't be needed on the 1. Therefore it will give WN the flexibility to use them elsewhere for peak workings/to cover breakdowns etc
BN said earlier on in the thread (page 18) that he thought 9 or 10 were to be branded. But plans seem to change all the time. I'd like to see some of the BC ones receive some similar branding but they'd have to remove some leaves first, and it would have to be generic Harborne branding given that they frequently appear on the 24.
Three photos of 5515 out today are at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5515.html
not all are being route branded
There were always going to be 21 new Hybrids in to NXWM. The only debate was whether or not all new ones would go to WN or would the 2 different types be standardised at BC and WN so all Volvos at one and all E400s at the other.
It turns out there will be 21 new ones at WN of 2 different types (9 and 12) and BC allocation remains the same.
As there is 9 hybrids only at the moment
How often will they run one
Here's a pic of the back.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41499186@N02/8541966277/in/photostream/
I like the wording on the bonnet
This livery and branding is a work of art. Simply fantastic.
Re my earlier post I know it's a 7 minute service what I was
asking was how often will they have a hybrid out on the 1
as they only have 9 at present
Quote from: Solo1 on March 10, 2013, 03:01:07 PM
Re my earlier post I know it's a 7 minute service what I was
asking was how often will they have a hybrid out on the 1
as they only have 9 at present
As there will be up to 9 B5s on the 1 and the remainder being Tridents/Spectras for the next few weeks, they might be in any order, e.g. you might get 3 B5s in a row then 3 Tridents, so you can't really predict how frequent the hybrids will be
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 10, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 10, 2013, 03:01:07 PM
Re my earlier post I know it's a 7 minute service what I was
asking was how often will they have a hybrid out on the 1
as they only have 9 at present
As there will be up to 9 B5s on the 1 and the remainder being Tridents/Spectras for the next few weeks, they might be in any order, e.g. you might get 3 B5s in a row then 3 Tridents, so you can't really predict how frequent the hybrids will be
hopefully 1 will be on when I catch it In the morning
The branding's very nice, and the back looks very classy indeed.
Does anyone have any info on when the E400Hs are due to arrive - I seem to remember late March being mentioned previously?
Quote from: John on March 10, 2013, 02:30:54 PM
Here's a pic of the back.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41499186@N02/8541966277/in/photostream/
I like the wording on the bonnet
The back of these looks much smarter when not needlessly covered with white and green vinyl like the BC ones. Smart looking buses.
Is there any reason why all buses wont be branded.
Possible flexibility but they are all meant for the 1 service as thats what the funding was for.
Quote from: Discodave on March 10, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Possible flexibility but they are all meant for the 1 service as thats what the funding was for.
Nothing to stop some venturing out on other routes on Sundays when they are not all needed.
There will be two spare Monday to Fridays as well
As long as the branded ones do not go on but you know my views on that.
Be nice to get any sort of decker on the 3 , a hybrid woud be fab though even if I'm not a big fan
Quote from: Ashley on March 10, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
Be nice to get any sort of decker on the 3 , a hybrid woud be fab though even if I'm not a big fan
They don't give you that "fizz" do they Ash? ;)
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 10, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 10, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
Be nice to get any sort of decker on the 3 , a hybrid woud be fab though even if I'm not a big fan
They don't give you that "fizz" do they Ash? ;)
His name is Ash not James May lol
Quote from: Discodave on March 11, 2013, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 10, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 10, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
Be nice to get any sort of decker on the 3 , a hybrid woud be fab though even if I'm not a big fan
They don't give you that "fizz" do they Ash? ;)
His name is Ash not James May lol
Personal joke.
Quote from: Roy on March 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
travelled on both 5511 & 5515 this morning and two nice new clean buses, however i do wonder if they will last on the 1.
Unlike in Birmingham where on the 22/23 even during the middle of the day, they are very much stop // start, on the two journey's i took today there was plenty of long non stop running and 5511 even when it stopped the engine continued running?
Quote from: Roy on March 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
5518 is in service and has route branding so 5515-18 has branding with 5510-14 unbranded
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
travelled on both 5511 & 5515 this morning and two nice new clean buses, however i do wonder if they will last on the 1.
Unlike in Birmingham where on the 22/23 even during the middle of the day, they are very much stop // start, on the two journey's i took today there was plenty of long non stop running and 5511 even when it stopped the engine continued running?O
It's down to the driver as to whether they use the stop / start on these when stationary from what Ive observed. Excuse my ignorance as I've never driven a bus but do you need to apply the handbrake, put it into 'neutral' or something like that? On the 22/23 with some drivers the engines do cut out when stopped but others seem to always keep the engine running.
Quote from: Mike K on March 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
travelled on both 5511 & 5515 this morning and two nice new clean buses, however i do wonder if they will last on the 1.
Unlike in Birmingham where on the 22/23 even during the middle of the day, they are very much stop // start, on the two journey's i took today there was plenty of long non stop running and 5511 even when it stopped the engine continued running?O
It's down to the driver as to whether they use the stop / start on these when stationary from what Ive observed. Excuse my ignorance as I've never driven a bus but do you need to apply the handbrake, put it into 'neutral' or something like that? On the 22/23 with some drivers the engines do cut out when stopped but others seem to always keep the engine running.
Well if drivers don't use the stop/start mode, is there any point in using hybrid buses.
Maybe i am wrong, but i assumed that the savings with these buses was achieved when you pulled away from bus stops/traffic lights etc when the engine didn't kick in till the vehicle was moving at a certain speed.
Down to the driver? Didn't tell me that when I was type trained on them! I certainly wasn't controlling it in Saturday
Oh ok, I assumed that it was to do with the way the bus was driven as on some journeys buses cut out at every single stop, on others they can be sat in traffic for an eternity and still not cut out. I would be interested to know what does influence this as on some journeys the B5LHs seem to behave very differently to on others.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 11, 2013, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 11, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
I saw 5511-5517 in service on the 1 this morning. 5510 and 5518 could have been in service but I did not see them personally during the time I was in Wolverhampton. 5515 to 5517 have route branding, 5511 to 5514 do not.
travelled on both 5511 & 5515 this morning and two nice new clean buses, however i do wonder if they will last on the 1.
Unlike in Birmingham where on the 22/23 even during the middle of the day, they are very much stop // start, on the two journey's i took today there was plenty of long non stop running and 5511 even when it stopped the engine continued running?
you should try having a ride between 8 - 9am or 5 - 6pm in Wolverhampton street or Sedgley. then you'd see the difference. but then again Saturday afternoons on Tettenhall road are bad too
Quote from: Mike K on March 11, 2013, 09:29:06 PM
Oh ok, I assumed that it was to do with the way the bus was driven as on some journeys buses cut out at every single stop, on others they can be sat in traffic for an eternity and still not cut out. I would be interested to know what does influence this as on some journeys the B5LHs seem to behave very differently to on others.
the ones I was on were working correctly, 5511, 5513, 5515 & 5517. 5513 had a problem with the ticket machine when I was on there though.
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2013, 09:00:49 PM
Down to the driver? Didn't tell me that when I was type trained on them! I certainly wasn't controlling it in Saturday
I stand corrected. This article explains how it works. It would appear that whilst the driver doesn't have direct control over when the bus cuts out, it is influenced by driving style. Thrash the bus = fewer engine cut outs.
http://www.focustransport.org.uk/fhybrid3.aspx
Quote from: Mike K on March 11, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2013, 09:00:49 PM
Down to the driver? Didn't tell me that when I was type trained on them! I certainly wasn't controlling it in Saturday
I stand corrected. This article explains how it works. It would appear that whilst the driver doesn't have direct control over when the bus cuts out, it is influenced by driving style. Thrash the bus = fewer engine cut outs.
http://www.focustransport.org.uk/fhybrid3.aspx
Very interesting article, really enforcing the argument that if you drive the buses 9and any buses) sensibly, then you will get maximum savings.
I had a ride on 5513 around midday.
Already it had what looked like shoe scuff marks on the floor and some one had spilt some cola near the stairs :-\
5512 was back in service this evening
Can't understand why they have placed the next stop displays on the top deck right behind the front seat.
Have sat down twice today and hit my head on it! (and no, i haven't got a big head, before anybody asks)
Its the same with the BC Hybrids!
Thought I'd just share some of the best passenger comments regarding the Hybrids:
Is this Willy Wonka's bus?
This is just sick man
Has the driver had a heart attack? (In reference to the bus pulling away silently)
And I didn't think you could bump start an automatic which in fairness to the bloke is true
Quote from: wilmotm on March 12, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
Thought I'd just share some of the best passenger comments regarding the Hybrids:
Is this Willy Wonka's bus?
This is just sick man
Has the driver had a heart attack? (In reference to the bus pulling away silently)
And I didn't think you could bump start an automatic which in fairness to the bloke is true
Can add one to these.
"This bus stinks"
Yes it did smell, it smelt NEW!
What about 'this is posh ay it' and 'we day av buses like this years agoo'
The phrase "no sh*t sherlock" springs to mind :D sorry guys
Sunday will be interesting, to see which routes they venture out on, if so
why are there so many front lights; - sidelights,head lights,main beam and ?
12th - 5510, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518 out on the 1
What is the PVR of the 1 at Wolverhampton?
General public are so naive. :-L I would love to heard some of the comments about the Hybrids.
Quote from: ade on March 13, 2013, 12:13:31 AM
12th - 5510, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518 out on the 1
Begs the question, where were the other 3? On other routes maybe?
Quote from: Ash on March 13, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
What is the PVR of the 1 at Wolverhampton?
21
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 13, 2013, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: ade on March 13, 2013, 12:13:31 AM
12th - 5510, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518 out on the 1
Begs the question, where were the other 3? On other routes maybe?
Quote from: Ash on March 13, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
What is the PVR of the 1 at Wolverhampton?
21
No, 19
Yes PVR of 19 with 21 Hybrids on their way, potentially a couple out on other WN routes each day
When are the E400H's due for WN?
Quote from: Ashley on March 13, 2013, 03:17:24 PM
When are the E400H's due for WN?
3rd week in March according to other comments, so should be in the next week or 2 hopefully.
Hadn't seen a picture of an unbranded one since entering service until today. As expected they do have "turning the Black Country green" on the sides. Very smart:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41499186@N02/8551631773/
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2013, 08:09:26 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 13, 2013, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: ade on March 13, 2013, 12:13:31 AM
12th - 5510, 5514, 5515, 5516, 5517, 5518 out on the 1
Begs the question, where were the other 3? On other routes maybe?
Quote from: Ash on March 13, 2013, 12:38:45 AM
What is the PVR of the 1 at Wolverhampton?
21
No, 19
I answered the same question before on here with 18/19 and was corrected to 21! Grrrrrr.
5511-5518 all on the No.1 yesterday 12/3/2013 between 11.20 and 14.00,
only 5510 not seen. Used 5512 from Wolverhampton to Dudley and returned
on 5516.
Quote from: Mike K on March 11, 2013, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2013, 09:00:49 PM
Down to the driver? Didn't tell me that when I was type trained on them! I certainly wasn't controlling it in Saturday
I stand corrected. This article explains how it works. It would appear that whilst the driver doesn't have direct control over when the bus cuts out, it is influenced by driving style. Thrash the bus = fewer engine cut outs.
http://www.focustransport.org.uk/fhybrid3.aspx
There's some minor inaccuracies in there though. For example on the Volvo, the bus cuts in at a certain road speed as opposed to on the 'change up' to second gear. This is evident when the bus actually changes up because there is lag when the robotics drop the clutch. The engine is usually activated well before then (about 10mph?)
It appears that the Wright/Volvos seem to be winning the war against the hybrids in the savings figures but there are a couple of reason.
1. Few of the ADL/BAE buses feature stop start.
2. Wright/Volvos are a shorter and lighter bus.
I think the enviro floor plan is much better and it has a higher seated capacity
Look at the Back of a B5, then look at the back of a 400H....
400 wins, by a hybrid (extra third of a) mile!
Quote from: richie on March 14, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
I think the enviro floor plan is much better and it has a higher seated capacity
Agreed but the Volvo's is more fun, more unusual and less regimental :-\
Registrations for the Enviro 400s are now on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Registrations for the Enviro 400s are now on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
5517 and 5518 have both been given the same registration, BX13 JPU
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 14, 2013, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Registrations for the Enviro 400s are now on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
5517 and 5518 have both been given the same registration, BX13 JPU
Just correcting that, 5417 should be JPO
Oops, meant 5417 and 5418, used to talking about the B5s!
Nice to see some proper bus registration marks there. A JOJ and a JOV!
Quote from: Gareth on March 14, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
Nice to see some proper bus registration marks there. A JOJ and a JOV!
Them reg's could also be taken as an insult by the few originals still around :P :P :P!!
5515 has been named 'Beacon Centre For The Blind'.
I've driven 5512 and 5515 let me assure you that the Volvos feel quick because they are quick!
They are fantastic buses! Can't wait to get my hands on the E400H!
I rode 5515, 5516 and 5517 yesterday. The amount of times I heard "we've broken down" or "he's stalled it"...also heard "I think he's a learner driver" ::)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 17, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
I rode 5515, 5516 and 5517 yesterday. The amount of times I heard "we've broken down" or "he's stalled it"...also heard "I think he's a learner driver" ::)
Is that because of the passengers misconception of the stop-start feature?.... By the way
Driver03 - the one you need to grab hold of is number 5409, if you can... As far as I'm aware it's the only E400H with stop-start... should have been programmed onto all of the units at the start! - part of the reason for the Wright/Volvos achieving the better savings.
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on March 19, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 17, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
I rode 5515, 5516 and 5517 yesterday. The amount of times I heard "we've broken down" or "he's stalled it"...also heard "I think he's a learner driver" ::)
Is that because of the passengers misconception of the stop-start feature?.... By the way Driver03 - the one you need to grab hold of is number 5409, if you can... As far as I'm aware it's the only E400H with stop-start... should have been programmed onto all of the units at the start! - part of the reason for the Wright/Volvos achieving the better savings.
Will do, hopefully the E400H's will have this feature from delivery at WN (not confirmed just me hoping ;) ). Once I get my hands on one I'll be sure to let you know how they drive compared to Volvo's, must say from my perspective so far I'm impressed (even though the I-Shift gear box with its 12 gears can get annoying :) )!
Quote from: Driver03 on March 19, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on March 19, 2013, 06:00:54 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 17, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
I rode 5515, 5516 and 5517 yesterday. The amount of times I heard "we've broken down" or "he's stalled it"...also heard "I think he's a learner driver" ::)
Is that because of the passengers misconception of the stop-start feature?.... By the way Driver03 - the one you need to grab hold of is number 5409, if you can... As far as I'm aware it's the only E400H with stop-start... should have been programmed onto all of the units at the start! - part of the reason for the Wright/Volvos achieving the better savings.
Will do, hopefully the E400H's will have this feature from delivery at WN (not confirmed just me hoping ;) ). Once I get my hands on one I'll be sure to let you know how they drive compared to Volvo's, must say from my perspective so far I'm impressed (even though the I-Shift gear box with its 12 gears can get annoying :) )!
I'm sure I read that this latest batch of E400Hs will be stop start. The more recent ones do seem to be - Stagecoach Sheffield have 2 batches, their 61 plates don't have it but their 62 plates do.
Is there a date for when the E400H's will be arriving in Wolves? I REALLY want to go and have a ride on one of these hybrids, I've not even been on one of the Birmingham ones yet! Once I get some uni assignments out of the way I'm having a few solid days of going round the West Midlands by bus :P
Quote from: JB93 on March 19, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
Is there a date for when the E400H's will be arriving in Wolves? I REALLY want to go and have a ride on one of these hybrids, I've not even been on one of the Birmingham ones yet! Once I get some uni assignments out of the way I'm having a few solid days of going round the West Midlands by bus :P
reading other comments in the last few weeks suggest that they should arrive either this week or next. Maybe out in service a few days after arriving, after branding etc. applied and then the buses been made ready for service (ticket machines etc).
Ah ok, thanks John! So, just because I'm not too familiar with the 1 route, is there enough B5LHs on the route at the moment to cover the PVR? Or is it still half hybrid, half Trident/Spectra till the E400Hs arrive?
Quote from: JB93 on March 19, 2013, 04:41:11 PM
Ah ok, thanks John! So, just because I'm not too familiar with the 1 route, is there enough B5LHs on the route at the moment to cover the PVR? Or is it still half hybrid, half Trident/Spectra till the E400Hs arrive?
Yes, still half hybrid with Tridents as well.
I think Tony has said the PVR is 19. So with 21 hybrids, there a 2 spare at the busies time of day.
I'd love to see how the Volvo/Wrights would cope with 126....
Dundee's hybrids are now starting to arrive.
Quote from: Kiewii on March 22, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Dundee's hybrids are now starting to arrive.
Are these numbered in the 54xx series? Presumably commencing 5422 allowing for the 12 on-order in the West Midlands.
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 22, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 22, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Dundee's hybrids are now starting to arrive.
Are these numbered in the 54xx series? Presumably commencing 5410 or possibly 5422 allowing for the 12 on-order in the West Midlands.
The fleet numbers should start at 5422 as Tony has confirmed the WN batch will be 5410 - 5421
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
Quote from: John on March 22, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
Wonder if they will put them into service as soon as they are ready or will they wait and enter service en-masse?
Quote from: John on March 22, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
I wonder why NXWM are applying the fleetnames / branding themselves? when the first Hybrid to arrive at Dundee appears to have been delivered fully branded from ADL
Quote from: Winston on March 22, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: John on March 22, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
I wonder why NXWM are applying the fleetnames / branding themselves? when the first Hybrid to arrive at Dundee appears to have been delivered fully branded from ADL
Winston, do you have a link to any pictures of the Dundee ones? Cheers.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 22, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 22, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 22, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Dundee's hybrids are now starting to arrive.
Are these numbered in the 54xx series? Presumably commencing 5410 or possibly 5422 allowing for the 12 on-order in the West Midlands.
The fleet numbers should start at 5422 as Tony has confirmed the WN batch will be 5410 - 5421
Yes, just noticed the fleet numbers allocated to the incoming WN Enviro 400H's on Tony's listings. I'm glad they are not missing out numbers - creating huge fleet number gaps. NX have been prone to that previously, I like to see all the numbers used up! In a way, they have with these Hybrid types - by allocating 54xx/55xx No's. But these vehicles are different enough to warrant that presumably.
Quote from: Mike K on March 23, 2013, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 22, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: John on March 22, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
I wonder why NXWM are applying the fleetnames / branding themselves? when the first Hybrid to arrive at Dundee appears to have been delivered fully branded from ADL
Winston, do you have a link to any pictures of the Dundee ones? Cheers.
Mike not yet none have been posted on the Dundee forum, when they are I'll post a link
Quote from: Winston on March 23, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 23, 2013, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: Winston on March 22, 2013, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: John on March 22, 2013, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 22, 2013, 08:51:29 PM
2 of the new Enviro 400H's have turned up at Park Lane today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8581275120/in/photostream
Very nice!!
Looks like 5410. 'JOA' reg on numberplate
I wonder why NXWM are applying the fleetnames / branding themselves? when the first Hybrid to arrive at Dundee appears to have been delivered fully branded from ADL
Winston, do you have a link to any pictures of the Dundee ones? Cheers.
Mike not yet none have been posted on the Dundee forum, when they are I'll post a link
Mike, a rear end shot of a NXD Hybrid has now been posted on the Dundee Bus forum, I've attached the link below but you would need to become a member to view it as this one has been posted as an attachment. Basically the branding is the same colour/style as the new NXWM 97 branding
http://dundeeareabusforum.com/index.php?topic=5554.msg36244;topicseen#new
Helps if I post the link ;)
Cheers Winston
Flickr link for you all. Maybe the same as the Dundee forum?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57307454@N08/8582712940/in/contacts/
Quote from: Gareth on March 23, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Flickr link for you all. Maybe the same as the Dundee forum?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57307454@N08/8582712940/in/contacts/
It is.
Thanks. The back of these looks like a giant smiley face when the windows aren't covered by vinyl like the BC ones.
And just noticed no "ENVIRO 400" on the bonnet of these.
The 2 at Park Lane are 'JOA' & 'JOH'
Does anyone know the date the E400H are entering service as me and my friend Nitromatt 1 are hoping to go on one during easter. I really want to go on a Enviro 400H. I've already been on the B5LH but they seem quite cramped.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 23, 2013, 08:29:28 PM
Does anyone know the date the E400H are entering service as me and my friend Nitromatt 1 are hoping to go on one during easter. I really want to go on a Enviro 400H. I've already been on the B5LH but they seem quite cramped.
I did wonder that to, will they wait for them all to arrive, or will they just get them on the road asap?
How many buses are required for the metro replacement service ?
I'm guessing they should all be in service by the 2nd april.
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 23, 2013, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 22, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 22, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 22, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Dundee's hybrids are now starting to arrive.
Are these numbered in the 54xx series? Presumably commencing 5410 or possibly 5422 allowing for the 12 on-order in the West Midlands.
Dundee fleetnumbers and registrations are now on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
The fleet numbers should start at 5422 as Tony has confirmed the WN batch will be 5410 - 5421
Yes, just noticed the fleet numbers allocated to the incoming WN Enviro 400H's on Tony's listings. I'm glad they are not missing out numbers - creating huge fleet number gaps. NX have been prone to that previously, I like to see all the numbers used up! In a way, they have with these Hybrid types - by allocating 54xx/55xx No's. But these vehicles are different enough to warrant that presumably.
Quote from: 5513 on March 23, 2013, 08:54:52 PM
How many buses are required for the metro replacement service ?
I'm guessing they should all be in service by the 2nd april.
Not sure but it would make sence if the Enviro's were ready for service by 30th March. This would release the buses the the Enviro's are due to replace which could be used for the metro replacement commencing 30th
Got my dates mixed up lol, thought the 30th was a sunday. Yeah most likely Saturday then.
DUNDEE TOOK DELIVERY OF ITS FIRST ALEXANDER DENNIS HYBRID YESTERDAY SP13BRZ BUT IT STILL TO GET A FLEET NUMBER .
5501 seen in Birmingham Saturday afternoon and void of leaves and fleet names on the offside. Didn't see the near side to see if that was the same.
Quote from: Gareth on March 24, 2013, 02:10:39 AM
5501 seen in Birmingham Saturday afternoon and void of leaves and fleet names on the offside. Didn't see the near side to see if that was the same.
Weird.
Maybe they've had to re panel it...
Anyone know how both models are coping with the conditions? I'd have thought the Volvos must be doing well, for very obvious reasons but are the E400h's coping too?
Quote from: Gareth on March 24, 2013, 02:10:39 AM
5501 seen in Birmingham Saturday afternoon and void of leaves and fleet names on the offside. Didn't see the near side to see if that was the same.
Someone reported it has having received accident damage some time ago. I live on the 22/23 routes and haven't seen it for ages.
Quote from: Typhoon2000 on March 24, 2013, 06:18:05 AM
Anyone know how both models are coping with the conditions? I'd have thought the Volvos must be doing well, for very obvious reasons but are the E400h's coping too?
Well I didn't see WN's full allocation out on the 1 yesterday at all, it was mostly Tridents with a Spectra! And 2 B7's as well but that might have been simply that they didn't want them getting damaged, I also noticed that where possible both WN and PE avoided using Mercs and had B7RLE's out is this because the good old o405's are the worst in the snow?
The spectra was a replacement for something, but 5513 was out of service in sedgley with a mechanic van parked behind it.
Me and Nitromatt1 caught 5515 on the 1 yesterday. I spotted a few on there but there were quite a few missing yesterday.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 23, 2013, 08:29:28 PM
Does anyone know the date the E400H are entering service as me and my friend Nitromatt 1 are hoping to go on one during easter. I really want to go on a Enviro 400H. I've already been on the B5LH but they seem quite cramped.
You could always take a trip to Birmingham, and catch one on the 22 or 23 (and 24 on Sunday), if you can't wait. ;)
Hi, just found this, thought it would be of interest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8581532725/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/8581532757/in/photostream/
I'm pretty sure user '4006' has put a link up of a new NXWM E400H the other day but that was a picture at night so i couldn't clearly see but these buses look great. My favourite Hybrid although going on the B5's i like them also but the E400H are still my favourite hybrid bus.
Really hope these are as good as the BC ones! No contest in comparison with the B5
I want to go on one of these during the easter holidays. I hope these come into service by next week. By the way can anybody confirm the date for these entering service?
Yeah me as well I always thought the E40 where a better bus than the B5 and by the look of the pic they just seem better finished of than the B5. I live near Tettenhall Wood so can't wait to ride on one from Tettenhall wood to Dudley, anybody know when the E40 are going into service one the 1.
BX13JOJ arrived to join the party yesterday too, here she is in the flesh ;)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/94385515@N05/8593043167/
I like the fact that the bottom rear window isn't vinyled up like the BC examples. I think it would look really good with branding
A BIT OFF TOPIC but....I don't live in the West Midlands so felt a bit left out of this poll, not having experienced either type anywhere.
However, today I took my car to be serviced and caught the bus to work....which was an Arriva Volvo B5/Wright hydrid (number 7006 for those interested) - brand new - in fact I saw about half a dozen of them in the space of 30 mins!! I took a couple of photos but they aren't too brilliant but will take some more tomorrow - they are bright green (grass colour) where the stone colour would be - as per the previous Arriva livery, not the latest one, and dark green where the blue would be - interior is dark blue with white rails - look superb!
I sat on the back seat upstairs - quite a lot of vibration and window rattle for my liking. Passengers looking at each other every time the engine cut out as well - presumably thinking it had broken down. The same as the Wolverhampton experience I think? The external branding is great (called Greenway) but interestingly there is none inside the bus - I think if there was people would not be so bothered when the engine keeps cutting out. But quite an impressively smooth transition from electric to diesel mode.
The bus seemed equally as fast and a lot more refined than the 8 yr old Trident/ALX400 screamer I travelled on later (but not a patch on the VDL DB250 with East Lancs body, 57 reg (6237 - 6240) - which seem rattle free and reasonably quiet BUT extremely fast).
I was going to press the Volvo button but I will have to try an E400H first to be fair!!
Quote from: don on March 27, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
A BIT OFF TOPIC but....I don't live in the West Midlands so felt a bit left out of this poll, not having experienced either type anywhere.
However, today I took my car to be serviced and caught the bus to work....which was an Arriva Volvo B5/Wright hydrid (number 7006 for those interested) - brand new - in fact I saw about half a dozen of them in the space of 30 mins!! I took a couple of photos but they aren't too brilliant but will take some more tomorrow - they are bright green (grass colour) where the stone colour would be - as per the previous Arriva livery, not the latest one, and dark green where the blue would be - interior is dark blue with white rails - look superb!
I sat on the back seat upstairs - quite a lot of vibration and window rattle for my liking. Passengers looking at each other every time the engine cut out as well - presumably thinking it had broken down. The same as the Wolverhampton experience I think? The external branding is great (called Greenway) but interestingly there is none inside the bus - I think if there was people would not be so bothered when the engine keeps cutting out. But quite an impressively smooth transition from electric to diesel mode.
The bus seemed equally as fast and a lot more refined than the 8 yr old Trident/ALX400 screamer I travelled on later (but not a patch on the VDL DB250 with East Lancs body, 57 reg (6237 - 6240) - which seem rattle free and reasonably quiet BUT extremely fast).
I was going to press the Volvo button but I will have to try an E400H first to be fair!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesdawkins/8585805152
That it by any chance?
Is it just me or are the top deck front windscreens slightly different on the Arriva ones to the NXWM, and the WN ones with black gaps between the windows do look far far better
Quote from: wilmotm on March 28, 2013, 01:16:16 AM
Is it just me or are the top deck front windscreens slightly different on the Arriva ones to the NXWM, and the WN ones with black gaps between the windows do look far far better
You may well find the Arriva ones are low height bodywork, which is why they are missing the curve off the top of upper deck front window
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 28, 2013, 12:19:29 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesdawkins/8585805152
That it by any chance?
Yes, that's one of them - and it's 'Arriva skirt blue', not dark green as I stated. Saw 7011 yesterday so there must be 11 at least! Look unbelievably good in sunshine. Not my pic though! I'm sure the ones I've seen were newly in service this week, and they are 13 Reg.
Strangely, total traffic chaos in the area this morning owing to 'a broken down bus' - I wonder.....................
More of the 400H have been delivered to WN. I managed to get this quick pic:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8600479496/in/photostream
Sorry about the quality!
Enviros will be entering service next week ( wc 7-4-13 ) according to notice in the garage! I've seen at least two in garage for branding tonight (not sure of route branding or normal). So Trident 4609, you may be able to catch one soon ;)
Ill be on one on their first day out :)
Got to add the B5LH are still looking clean inside, shame about the outside but now the bad weather is out the way they will be like new again.
Just one question, where are the buses for the metro replacement coming from ?
Rode 5514 twice and 5515 today, they still have that nice 'new bus' smell, shame about all the litter everywhere though
Quote from: Driver03 on March 29, 2013, 11:38:44 PM
Enviros will be entering service next week ( wc 7-4-13 ) according to notice in the garage! I've seen at least two in garage for branding tonight (not sure of route branding or normal). So Trident 4609, you may be able to catch one soon ;)
I will let him know tomorrow. I assume they'll enter service on Monday 8th? I'm doing work experience at The Green Bus all that week so will be more difficult for me to get one
Quote from: 5513 on March 30, 2013, 12:02:09 AM
Ill be on one on their first day out :)
Got to add the B5LH are still looking clean inside, shame about the outside but now the bad weather is out the way they will be like new again.
Just one question, where are the buses for the metro replacement coming from ?
The new 400H will go on the 1 and free up the normal unbranded Tridents that are currently located on it. These can be used for the Metro replacement which at peak is only every 15 mins and a 2hour round trip which means they will probably need 8/9 buses to coincide with the influx of 400H
Wonder if a hybrid might turn up on Metro replacement at some point?
Sorry what I meant was, if the E400's aren't entering service until next week, where are the spare buses coming from for this week, or will there be spares due to the school holiday.
Quote from: 5513 on March 30, 2013, 12:55:14 AM
Sorry what I meant was, if the E400's aren't entering service until next week, where are the spare buses coming from for this week, or will there be spares due to the school holiday.
The Enviro's are supposed to be entering service 01.04.13 the same day the metro replacement starts as far as I know
Where are some spare Mercedes bendi-buses when you need them ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 5513 on March 30, 2013, 12:02:09 AM
Ill be on one on their first day out :)
Got to add the B5LH are still looking clean inside, shame about the outside but now the bad weather is out the way they will be like new again.
Just one question, where are the buses for the metro replacement coming from ?
I will look out for which garage and buses are operating the metro replacement service for you.
Quote from: Driver03 on March 29, 2013, 11:38:44 PM
Enviros will be entering service next week ( wc 7-4-13 ) according to notice in the garage! I've seen at least two in garage for branding tonight (not sure of route branding or normal). So Trident 4609, you may be able to catch one soon ;)
Driver03, WN garage are actually sorting out for me to visit the garage with my mom second week of the easter holidays. Will there will be any E400H in the garage then.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 08:43:59 AM
Quote from: 5513 on March 30, 2013, 12:02:09 AM
Ill be on one on their first day out :)
Got to add the B5LH are still looking clean inside, shame about the outside but now the bad weather is out the way they will be like new again.
Just one question, where are the buses for the metro replacement coming from ?
I will look out for which garage and buses are operating the metro replacement service for you.
I totally forgot to reply to this, as far as I know WN are providing all the replacement buses, I know we have a rota of divers to cover the ML1 service work.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on March 29, 2013, 11:38:44 PM
Enviros will be entering service next week ( wc 7-4-13 ) according to notice in the garage! I've seen at least two in garage for branding tonight (not sure of route branding or normal). So Trident 4609, you may be able to catch one soon ;)
Driver03, WN garage are actually sorting out for me to visit the garage with my mom second week of the easter holidays. Will there will be any E400H in the garage then.
I'll see what I can find out for you dude ;)
I was talking a driver i know on wolverhampton's 59 route and he said when the E400H enter service then 1 or 2 hybrids may go onto the 59.
By the way, Will the E400H be in service next week or the week after as 4006 is saying this monday and Driver03 is saying the monday after?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
I was talking a driver i know on wolverhampton's 59 route and he said when the E400H enter service then 1 or 2 hybrids may go onto the 59.
By the way, Will the E400H be in service next week or the week after as 4006 is saying this monday and Driver03 is saying the monday after?
No way will they be ready for this Monday, none are taxed/fitted with ticket machines/logoed up yet
5513 had the new bus smell today...until someone started smoking!
Its WN thats operating the ML1, as it was a WN Trident on there today
If NX buy anymore hybrids maybe they should re think the livery as they could end up with a high percentage of buses in a different colour.
Quote from: richie on March 30, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
If NX buy anymore hybrids maybe they should re think the livery as they could end up with a high percentage of buses in a different colour.
I'm surprised that the hybrid livery has lasted this long when diamond brought hybrids there was a livery and then they painted them into the normal livery with reduced hybrid advertising and I thought NXWM would have done the same
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
I was talking a driver i know on wolverhampton's 59 route and he said when the E400H enter service then 1 or 2 hybrids may go onto the 59.
By the way, Will the E400H be in service next week or the week after as 4006 is saying this monday and Driver03 is saying the monday after?
Firstly, E400H and B5LH are supposed to be for the 1 and 1 only however, it's Wolverhampton Garage I very much doubt you won't see a few will "stray" away for a day trip on other services. It's not guaranteed though.
Secondly, I'm hearing that a couple maybe ready for late in the week, definitely 2 in garage having livery applied. The notice we had for type training was hit and miss on dates, so I had a word with engineering ;)
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2013, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
I was talking a driver i know on wolverhampton's 59 route and he said when the E400H enter service then 1 or 2 hybrids may go onto the 59.
By the way, Will the E400H be in service next week or the week after as 4006 is saying this monday and Driver03 is saying the monday after?
No way will they be ready for this Monday, none are taxed/fitted with ticket machines/logoed up yet
In reply to my earlier post I agree with Tony doesn't look like they will be ready although there is a note in the traffic office saying they will be in service 'next week' i.e from tomorrow (Sunday)
As for the Metro Replacement I havent got a clue anymore who's doing it drivers buses etc.
The buses I saw on it today were 4131
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8605062486/in/photostream
Along with 4329/4538/4606
And furthermore why on earth ML I mean what does that mean? Why not MR or MTR?
Quote from: 4006 on March 31, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
And furthermore why on earth ML I mean what does that mean? Why not MR or MTR?
Metro Line
Quote from: Shaun on March 31, 2013, 03:12:32 AM
Quote from: 4006 on March 31, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
And furthermore why on earth ML I mean what does that mean? Why not MR or MTR?
Metro Line
Na!
Should be MR -
Metro
Replacement surely :o
Metro Line relates to nothing its not called the Metro Line
Metro line Service??
Metro Replacement Service ...Yes that's better everyone understands that cause thats exactly what it is
How is it entered on the Ticket machine...
DK
WTF
Z
HBZ299?
;D :D :) :o :o :o ;D :D :)
Quote from: 4006 on March 31, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
The buses I saw on it today were 4131
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8605062486/in/photostream
Nice to see that bus stop back in use.
I miss having the 79 drop me right outside Sainsbury's :D
Anyway the use of ML1 would have made more sense if a second metro line existed, hence folk would know the bus was a replacement for Line 1 not Line 2.
Quote from: 4006 on March 31, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2013, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 30, 2013, 01:36:59 PM
I was talking a driver i know on wolverhampton's 59 route and he said when the E400H enter service then 1 or 2 hybrids may go onto the 59.
By the way, Will the E400H be in service next week or the week after as 4006 is saying this monday and Driver03 is saying the monday after?
No way will they be ready for this Monday, none are taxed/fitted with ticket machines/logoed up yet
In reply to my earlier post I agree with Tony doesn't look like they will be ready although there is a note in the traffic office saying they will be in service 'next week' i.e from tomorrow (Sunday)
As for the Metro Replacement I havent got a clue anymore who's doing it drivers buses etc.
The buses I saw on it today were 4131
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8605062486/in/photostream
Along with 4329/4538/4606
And furthermore why on earth ML I mean what does that mean? Why not MR or MTR?
ML = Metro Line 1? lol :)
Maybe ML means Metro Line?
So BC and WN are operating it then with BC loaning tridents (4329 and 4131) and WN using their own Tridents.
True there is only one Metro line at present, which is line 1 Wolverhampton to Snow Hill.
It's shown on the destination displays:
http://wmbusphotos.com/MidlandMetro/tram16.html
So naturally yes, ML1 = "Metro Line 1"
Dundee hybrids 5423 and 5425 now delivered and joining 5422. I've heard some more arrived yesterday, just waiting to find out which ones.
Off Topic
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2013, 01:24:05 AM
You may well find the Arriva ones are low height bodywork, which is why they are missing the curve off the top of upper deck front window
The 11 Arriva Southern Counties ones are 13ft 10 in (4.2m). I travelled downstairs on one - v impressive and smooth riding - only downside is the very low headroom at the rear on the sides - I banged my head :-\
You can see the official launch here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUAp1xwfdQ&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: Gareth on March 31, 2013, 01:05:51 PM
Dundee hybrids 5423 and 5425 now delivered and joining 5422. I've heard some more arrived yesterday, just waiting to find out which ones.
Gareth,
They were 5424 & 5426 that have now arrived
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajrm1976/with/8603846466/#photo_8603846466
Quote from: Winston on March 31, 2013, 05:57:17 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 31, 2013, 01:05:51 PM
Dundee hybrids 5423 and 5425 now delivered and joining 5422. I've heard some more arrived yesterday, just waiting to find out which ones.
Gareth,
They were 5424 & 5426 that have now arrived
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajrm1976/with/8603846466/#photo_8603846466
Thanks Winston
Does anyone know how many E400H will be Route branded for the 1?
Looks like 5513 is the first victim, found a small burn on one of the back seats :(
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 03, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
Looks like 5513 is the first victim, found a small burn on one of the back seats :(
From someone stubbing out a cigarette maybe? I was sat upstairs on it the other day and two kids at the back were smoking
5517 has been graffitied by the back window
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 03, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 03, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
Looks like 5513 is the first victim, found a small burn on one of the back seats :(
From someone stubbing out a cigarette maybe? I was sat upstairs on it the other day and two kids at the back were smoking
Just proves they don't give a sh** give them a new bus that cost thousands of pounds....still no respect! These pathetic low life scum are just layabout chavs spoiling it for everone else
These idiots should be sorted....once and for all!!!
More to the point most of these half witts are only on the bus 10 mins but cannot manage to go without a fag or joint for this short period!
Yh, most get on at burton road, right by the wrens nest.
Quote from: 4006 on April 03, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 03, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 03, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
Looks like 5513 is the first victim, found a small burn on one of the back seats :(
From someone stubbing out a cigarette maybe? I was sat upstairs on it the other day and two kids at the back were smoking
Just proves they don't give a sh** give them a new bus that cost thousands of pounds....still no respect! These pathetic low life scum are just layabout chavs spoiling it for everone else
These idiots should be sorted....once and for all!!!
More to the point most of these half witts are only on the bus 10 mins but cannot manage to go without a fag or joint for this short period!
Couldn't agree more
Think thats bad! I've been told by 3 WN drivers any spare hybrids will be used on the 59 Route!
My 19th March tweet:
QuoteSmells like some idiot is smoking weed on top deck of NXWM 5512. The new bus now stinks. Not what I wanna inhale on way to work #bus #stinks
No way of stopping the chavs & general scum sadly - not that I can instantly think of anyway. Most of them are so thick they likely don't realise it's a new bus either. >:(
Quick update, on 5517, back seat, two burn holes & some attempted graffiti of a seat in front. Doesn't take long does it? >:(
What gets me is if they know the problem routes, why put decent buses on?
I suppose they get the complaints in the local press saying , why has so & so got new buses and we aint!
Guess gone are the days you could stick an aging Metrobus on and not worry to a point!
Disappointing that the PL ones are already being vandalised. The BC ones have fared quite well considering they're over a year old now. I've seen the odd bit of etching or marker pen to seat backs but generally they're still in excellent order. These do seem to be given priority by BC in terms of removing damage when it occurs and keeping them clean and tidy, but the fact they almost never stray from the 22/23/24 helps. Not perfect routes by any means but I don't think the buses receive quite the level of abuse that those on say the Bristol Road, 97s etc do.
The only areas in wolverhampton where buses have less chance of being vandelised is Places like perton,Finchfield etc. It seems the better areas are on the south west of wolverhampton and the worst areas for new buses for being vandelised like Heath town, Wednesfield,East park and Bilston Rd.
Although you can never say what routes are Bad routes unless you use the route regually and trouble occurs.I live near the 59 route and the amount of times there have been fare dodgers, Weed being smoked etc
One day a few weeks ago a driver on WN 59 route had to have a go at a passenger for smoking weed and the bad thing was it was a single decker!
If they are being vandelised on the 1 i don't know what it will be like when the spare hybrids are used on the 59!
I wouldn't necessarily say that the number 1 is a bad route. I think its just the fact it stops by 3 job centres and the wrens nest, where inhabitants have decided to use the back seats as foot rests and sit on the back of the bus and use it as a rapping stage.
My abiding memory of the 59 will be a month or so back when getting it in the evening, pulled up at the bus stop with two of the locals hanging out of a window they'd presumably just smashed in, suppose it at least cleared the smell of weed quickly, god help the hybrids if they do end up on there
Quote from: Neswulf on April 04, 2013, 07:51:32 AM
No way of stopping the chavs & general scum sadly - not that I can instantly think of anyway
Well there is but apparently it's illegal.....
Quote from: Kevin on April 04, 2013, 07:04:09 PM
My abiding memory of the 59 will be a month or so back when getting it in the evening, pulled up at the bus stop with two of the locals hanging out of a window they'd presumably just smashed in, suppose it at least cleared the smell of weed quickly, god help the hybrids if they do end up on there
Quote from: Neswulf on April 04, 2013, 07:51:32 AM
No way of stopping the chavs & general scum sadly - not that I can instantly think of anyway
Well there is but apparently it's illegal.....
No it's not cigirattes aren't legal on buses and weed isn't legal anywhere
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Doesn't surprise me that the B5 has a better mpg, with the stop/starting which the E400H doesn't seem to do, so I can see why operators choose them, but I would expect most enthusiasts to prefer the E400H.
Also I've heard that the B5 has a higher top speed than the E400H, but I've been on E400Hs being thrashed and they seem to reach very high speeds, I don't see why top speed is an issue on local bus services
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Doesn't surprise me that the B5 has a better mpg, with the stop/starting which the E400H doesn't seem to do, so I can see why operators choose them, but I would expect most enthusiasts to prefer the E400H.
Also I've heard that the B5 has a higher top speed than the E400H, but I've been on E400Hs being thrashed and they seem to reach very high speeds, I don't see why top speed is an issue on local bus services
I believe the new Enviro 400H for WN do have the stop/start, hasn't one of BC's from original batch also been modified?
Stagecoach are loyal to the E400H, but that may more be down to the fact that Brian Souter privately owns a stake in ADL
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Doesn't surprise me that the B5 has a better mpg, with the stop/starting which the E400H doesn't seem to do, so I can see why operators choose them, but I would expect most enthusiasts to prefer the E400H.
Also I've heard that the B5 has a higher top speed than the E400H, but I've been on E400Hs being thrashed and they seem to reach very high speeds, I don't see why top speed is an issue on local bus services
I believe the new Enviro 400H for WN do have the stop/start, hasn't one of BC's from original batch also been modified?
Stagecoach are loyal to the E400H, but that may more be down to the fact that Brian Souter privately owns a stake in ADL
I did hear that 5409 has had stop/start added, but it's not one I've ridden yet.
It also seems like NX are showing a preference towards the E400H too as more have been ordered than of the B5LH, including the 9 for Dundee
[quote author=nitromatt1 link=topic=139.msg33698#msg33698 date=1365114786
It also seems like NX are showing a preference towards the E400H too as more have been ordered than of the B5LH, including the 9 for Dundee
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I'd have thought that the Volvo/Wright combination would have fitted in better with Dundee's Volvo based fleet, that siad the Hybrids are completely different to a standard Volvo/Wright decker so I don't suppose it matters either way
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:51:31 PM
[quote author=nitromatt1 link=topic=139.msg33698#msg33698 date=1365114786
It also seems like NX are showing a preference towards the E400H too as more have been ordered than of the B5LH, including the 9 for Dundee
I'd have thought that the Volvo/Wright combination would have fitted in better with Dundee's Volvo based fleet, that siad the Hybrids are completely different to a standard Volvo/Wright decker so I don't suppose it matters either way
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Would this not explain why "Registered in Scotland, No. SC268016, Registered Office: 16 Charlotte Square, Edinburgh, EH2 4DF" from ADLs website. Maybe the people of Dundee were getting feed up with Volvos being in the fleet and very few if any ADLs. But ADL can be cheaper than Volvo just look at FMR they Bought the E300's because they got more for the money than they would have for a batch of Volvos.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
I don't think that regular passengers are bothered about all this, they just want to get on a bus from A to B.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
Nitromatt, they definitely aren't slow - see Driver03's post earlier on in this thread. As regards looks, that's entirely subjective. I think most enthusiasts acknowledge that the Gemini 2 is a smart looking body, although I'll agree that in B5 form the window layout and shorter wheelbase do look a bit awkward. As regards most enthusiasts preferring the E400H, the current poll voting results suggest otherwise. Less seats is only an issue if the bus is full.
Where the NXWM B5s do score over the E400s is the upstairs legroom - it's highly impressive.
I have to say I like both types equally and from an enthusiast's perspective I think it's excellent that both current Hybrid routes in the West Mids have both vehicle types - variety is a good thing.
It can't be long now until the funding awards are announced from the latest Green Bus fund, I wonder if NX have submitted any further bids for more Hybrids? I seem to recall it was mentioned NXC were hoping to have Hybrids during 2014
Something I've been wondering since the hybrids started at NXWM, the completely different colour scheme.... surely that is insanely confusing for some passengers? Granted, they are the staple bus on the 22/23 and more so on the 24 now, and in wolves on the 1, so would be very familiar. But on the occasional unusual working, such as has been reported on the 97 and apparently might happen on the 59, are people waiting at the bus stop with a NX pass or daysaver going to let it go past thinking it's a different company? Yes there's the logo on the front but most ordinary people will just look at the colour of what's coming at them (and when it turns out to be some small operator's un-liveried dart and they get told on boarding their pass isn't valid they look a bit baffled - it happens)
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
It can't be long now until the funding awards are announced from the latest Green Bus fund, I wonder if NX have submitted any further bids for more Hybrids? I seem to recall it was mentioned NXC were hoping to have Hybrids during 2014
I wonder if NX will purchase as part of their order rather than government funded
Quote from: richie on April 05, 2013, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 11:30:16 AM
It can't be long now until the funding awards are announced from the latest Green Bus fund, I wonder if NX have submitted any further bids for more Hybrids? I seem to recall it was mentioned NXC were hoping to have Hybrids during 2014
I wonder if NX will purchase as part of their order rather than government funded
I guess it would largely depend on how much NX would save on fuel over their lives against the additional purchase costs over a diesel eqvilient, the price of hybrids should be starting to come down a bit by now as they are now being produced in quantity. Very few operators have bought Hybrids without the government Green Bus Fund subsidy, the one that immediately springs to mind is Abellio London i.e. the E400H for Tfl route 3
Where I am (a non hybrid area) passengers will try and use their day saver and bus pass, usually out of date on whatever bus comes first, doesn't matter what colour or company. Be it a Claribels, VIP or NXWM and then usually complain when it's rejected!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Doesn't surprise me that the B5 has a better mpg, with the stop/starting which the E400H doesn't seem to do, so I can see why operators choose them, but I would expect most enthusiasts to prefer the E400H.
Also I've heard that the B5 has a higher top speed than the E400H, but I've been on E400Hs being thrashed and they seem to reach very high speeds, I don't see why top speed is an issue on local bus services
All NX buses are limited (or should be) to 45 so this is rubbish about top speeds! In any case most routes are in 30mph zones with constant stop start conditions
In any case you must always remember if you are doing 30mph as apposed to 40mph in one hour you will only do an extra 10 miles this is of course at a contant speed. Actual time saved by doing 40mph constantly is 15mins but buses dont do a constant 40mph for an hour so the actual time saved is reletively less
In essance 'Thraping the Nick Nocks off it' really doesn't achieve much its rather the 'way' you drive than how fast
Furthermore in F1 even the fastest car will P*** all over the slowest and even lap them 2 or 3 times. But over 2 hours most laps are done in 1min 30secs so actuall time saving 3-5 mins!!!!!
Quote from: 4006 on April 05, 2013, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 04, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 04, 2013, 10:49:37 PM
Got on a B5 the other day, definitely the best hybrids in my opinion. You tend to get used to the seating layout
I often sit upstairs on a B5 because the downstairs seating layout is stupid.
I still fail to see what appeals to people about the B5s compared to the Enviros! They are slow (most ZF tridents will outaccelerate them), the engine sound is boring, they don't look as nice as the Enviro and they have less seats.
If I'm waiting for a 22/23/24 and a B5 turns up I will usually wait for the next one.
For operators at least, I believe the Volvo B5/Wright combination is delivering better fuel consumption figures/high mpg and also they have fewer reliability issues compared with the E400H. It was also noticeable that a larger proportion of the Green Bus Fund 3 hybrid double deck orders were placed with Volvo/Wright, Oxford Bus Company was one which had switched from the E400H used on park & ride to Volvo B5LH for its latest orders
Doesn't surprise me that the B5 has a better mpg, with the stop/starting which the E400H doesn't seem to do, so I can see why operators choose them, but I would expect most enthusiasts to prefer the E400H.
Also I've heard that the B5 has a higher top speed than the E400H, but I've been on E400Hs being thrashed and they seem to reach very high speeds, I don't see why top speed is an issue on local bus services
All NX buses are limited (or should be) to 45 so this is rubbish about top speeds! In any case most routes are in 30mph zones with constant stop start conditions
In any case you must always remember if you are doing 30mph as apposed to 40mph in one hour you will only do an extra 10 miles this is of course at a contant speed. Actual time saved by doing 40mph constantly is 15mins but buses dont do a constant 40mph for an hour so the actual time saved is reletively less
In essance 'Thraping the Nick Nocks off it' really doesn't achieve much its rather the 'way' you drive than how fast
Furthermore in F1 even the fastest car will P*** all over the slowest and even lap them 2 or 3 times. But over 2 hours most laps are done in 1min 30secs so actuall time saving 3-5 mins!!!!!
Very much agree with you post 4006 my point on B5's are that people feel they are slow, no doubt due to the driver not understanding the gear box (and driving with it rather than against it) and the fact they have 12 speed boxes. If they are driven correctly though they will out accelerate most buses due to the instant torque given by batteries and developing torque from Diesel engine. From a drivers prospective, I feel they are quick accelerators under the correct conditions.
Trident 4609, you may see an E400H in garage next week, more have arrived yesterday (didn't catch fleet no's) but there are a few awaiting delivery. Some still need branding so they maybe in the garage being branded.
Quote from: Driver03 on April 06, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
Very much agree with you post 4006 my point on B5's are that people feel they are slow, no doubt due to the driver not understanding the gear box (and driving with it rather than against it) and the fact they have 12 speed boxes. If they are driven correctly though they will out accelerate most buses due to the instant torque given by batteries and developing torque from Diesel engine. From a drivers prospective, I feel they are quick accelerators under the correct conditions.
Had a feeling that was the case, managed to travel on 5515 and 5518 today and although they were quick getting going on electric power, there was a substantial wait before the diesel kicked in
What's the branding on the E400h's like, is it the same as the B5's or like the dundee E400's ?
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 06, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
What's the branding on the E400h's like, is it the same as the B5's or like the dundee E400's ?
Looking at the leaflets that NX were giving out during the hybrid launch on saturday 9th March
It illustrated a photo of a E400H which appears to have same red branding
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What's the branding on the E400h's like, is it the same as the B5's or like the dundee E400's ?
Looking at the leaflets that NX were giving out during the hybrid launch on saturday 9th March
It illustrated a photo of a E400H which appears to have same red branding
Photos on the main site soon
I went on my first E400H and first BC hybrid today with Nitromatt1. The driver was driving very slow.
Lets hope WN's hybrids are much better. They certainly look smarter.
Thumbs up from me, they look great.
What is interesting is that ever since the poll began at the top of the page, it has never really changed much with the B5LH beating the Enviro by about 60:40 all the time.
5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
Finally!
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
I saw that today and was wondering which B5LH it was. Anymore to have their vinyls removed?
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
I saw that today and was wondering which B5LH it was. Anymore to have their vinyls removed?
Only seen 5501, But why they having them removed ?
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Only seen 5501, But why they having them removed ?
Accident repairs. It was discussed a few weeks ago on the forum. See below
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5501 seen in Birmingham Saturday afternoon and void of leaves and fleet names on the offside. Didn't see the near side to see if that was the same.
Someone reported it has having received accident damage some time ago. I live on the 22/23 routes and haven't seen it for ages.
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
I saw that today and was wondering which B5LH it was. Anymore to have their vinyls removed?
Only seen 5501, But why they having them removed ?
Because they are old and people alerady know about the hybrids. They should do what diamond have done and reduce the hybrid advertising
With any spare hybrids at WN going on the 59 looking at the number buses needed on the 1 on a sunday then the 59 on a sunday could be fully hybrid operated.
The 1 needs 10 or possibly less and the 59 only need 6.
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
I saw that today and was wondering which B5LH it was. Anymore to have their vinyls removed?
Only seen 5501, But why they having them removed ?
Because they are old and people alerady know about the hybrids. They should do what diamond have done and reduce the hybrid advertising
Diamond havent reduced the Hybrid advertising, only one Versa was delivered with the all over green livery (and still carries it).
For the most part though, the diamond hybrids look just like a normal diamond bus (livery wise), which to me makes a lot of sense, identifies it as being a diamond bus, unlike NX using green for theirs.....
.........that said, this is diamond, they have about 47 different liveries on all their other buses
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For the most part though, the diamond hybrids look just like a normal diamond bus (livery wise), which to me makes a lot of sense, identifies it as being a diamond bus, unlike NX using green for theirs.....
.........that said, this is diamond, they have about 47 different liveries on all their other buses
The NX hybrids are in a green version of the NX corporate bus livery, Stagecoach do the same with their Hybrids i.e. corporate style livery applied with the orange & blue replaced by two different shades of green
Anybody think NX may go for some single decker hybrids soon?
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Anybody think NX may go for some single decker hybrids soon?
Not really, they've got enough new singles now, need to concentrate on the double decker fleet
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Quote from: Driver03 on April 06, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
Very much agree with you post 4006 my point on B5's are that people feel they are slow, no doubt due to the driver not understanding the gear box (and driving with it rather than against it) and the fact they have 12 speed boxes. If they are driven correctly though they will out accelerate most buses due to the instant torque given by batteries and developing torque from Diesel engine. From a drivers prospective, I feel they are quick accelerators under the correct conditions.
Had a feeling that was the case, managed to travel on 5515 and 5518 today and although they were quick getting going on electric power, there was a substantial wait before the diesel kicked in
That's just because the road speed from electric to diesel isn't correct, in my experience if you accelerate smoothly on electric power it'll reach 15mph then the Diesel engine will kick in and it's as smooth as silk :).
On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Quote from: Driver03 on April 07, 2013, 12:26:31 AM
On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
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Quote from: Driver03 on April 07, 2013, 12:26:31 AM
On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
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5501 has lost its Green Leafs, seen this morning on Colemore Row
I saw that today and was wondering which B5LH it was. Anymore to have their vinyls removed?
Only seen 5501, But why they having them removed ?
Because they are old and people alerady know about the hybrids. They should do what diamond have done and reduce the hybrid advertising
Definitely just accident repair and only the loss of leaves on the offside of 5501, all other vinyls on this and all the other BC hybrids remains intact. 5501 was off the road for several weeks undergoing repair.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
No I meant where about on the route, what was the fleet number ?
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
No I meant where about on the route, what was the fleet number ?
No idea where it was fine when I checked when I took over, and 5516 it was.
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
Starting from this week.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
And we wonder why National Express don't buy more new buses, well one reason is obviously finances, but another has to be the way the new buses are treated.
If they can, NE should identify the culprits, charge their parents for the damage and ban the lads from all NE buses. They may think differently about there actions when they have to walk everywhere.
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
And we wonder why National Express don't buy more new buses, well one reason is obviously finances, but another has to be the way the new buses are treated.
If they can, NE should identify the culprits, charge their parents for the damage and ban the lads from all NE buses. They may think differently about there actions when they have to walk everywhere.
It probally wouldnt have an effect if there parents drive
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Great (:
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Trident, any idea how many are to be branded?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Trident, any idea how many are to be branded?
Well i am only 13 and don't work at the garage but look on the main photo site tony has put up photos.
Best asking Driver03 but it was said on the forum that 9/10 hybrids will be branded so at least 5,
I will look when i get my tour of the bus garage and will ask questions
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Trident, any idea how many are to be branded?
Well i am only 13 and don't work at the garage but look on the main photo site tony has put up photos.
Best asking Driver03 but it was said on the forum that 9/10 hybrids will be branded so at least 5,
I will look when i get my tour of the bus garage and will ask questions
Thanks
By the way call me Nathan :)
Driver03 and 3 other drivers (one driver on the 1 and 2 on the 59) have confirmed that any spare hybrids WILL go on the 59!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 08:07:10 PM
Anyone know when the Enviro400H are due to enter service ?
First 6 are ready (Branded ones). First ones i've been told are in service tommorow.
Trident, any idea how many are to be branded?
I hear that 2-3 will remin in 'plain' hybrid branding, this owing to spare Hybrids being used on 59!
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On another note. I sadly had to take a B5 out of service today, some kids had decided to see how the upper saloon seats are assembled and totally wrecked the seat in the process, snapped it clean off. It really gripes me that the louts have no respect at all for £300,000 buses, or even buses in general and they are the ones who moan when they don't turn up!! Argh!
Snapped it off as in snapped it off it's supports?
Nope ripped from the rear row, leaving sharp plastic, looked to me they'd use quite a lot of force.
I'd imagine they'd need a lot of force.
Correct, even engineers have trouble getting the rear seats off upstairs and they have the correct tools.
Any idea if the morons have been caught yet?
As far as I know they are reviewing the CCTV lets hope they get them.
Hopefully. It sometimes makes me wonder if these idiots even are aware of the fact that the buses have several CCTV cameras...
I don't think they care, chances of catching them are slim even with CCTV evidence these days, I sound old but as a kid I wouldn't dare do what these lot do these days, but that's an entirely different conversation ;)
Making their pictures public would possibly help, any idea where on the route it happened ?
Yep the number 1, I was the driver at the time.
And we wonder why National Express don't buy more new buses, well one reason is obviously finances, but another has to be the way the new buses are treated.
If they can, NE should identify the culprits, charge their parents for the damage and ban the lads from all NE buses. They may think differently about there actions when they have to walk everywhere.
How would you ban them from all NX buses? Doesn't seem very feasible
Driver03 i thought there were only going to be 9/10 branded altogether (B5's and E400H) or was that how many E400H were going to be branded.
Surley Enviro 400H and B5LH will both appear on the 59!
Will the 59 be the only route that will ever see hybrids. Will the 529 ever get hybrids (Maybe on a sunday. )
Also looking at how many hybrids will be needed on a sunday you could operate the 1 (Less than 10 needed from what i saw) and the 59 only needs 6 buses so the 59 could still be fully hybrid operated and have spare ones
I'd prefer to see them appear on the 529, but with the 529 just being branded then its unlikely or on the 79 (:
Quote from: NathanJC on April 07, 2013, 10:12:46 PM
I'd prefer to see them appear on the 529, but with the 529 just being branded then its unlikely or on the 79 (:
I doubt them appearing on the 79.
They will most probably appear on most double deck routes. More than likely the 126.
They'll more than likely go on the best routes for start & stop, I'm unaware what routes are like this in Wolverhampton
Not the 126 then
Quote from: Shaun on April 07, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
They'll more than likely go on the best routes for start & stop, I'm unaware what routes are like this in Wolverhampton
It has already been confirmed that spare hybrids will go on the 59!
Quote from: Shaun on April 07, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
They'll more than likely go on the best routes for start & stop, I'm unaware what routes are like this in Wolverhampton
1, 59 (in wednesfild town centre), 79, 126 (Traffic on bham new road, burnt tree, wolverhampton road & city centre) 529
I can't see that all spares will be used on the 59 though as there will be some in the garage at times
I'm going from what Driver03 told me on here earlier so best ask him.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 07, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
They'll more than likely go on the best routes for start & stop, I'm unaware what routes are like this in Wolverhampton
It has already been confirmed that spare hybrids will go on the 59!
As I said earlier, I'm unaware of the stop/start routes in Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 07, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
Driver03 i thought there were only going to be 9/10 branded altogether (B5's and E400H) or was that how many E400H were going to be branded.
Surley Enviro 400H and B5LH will both appear on the 59!
Will the 59 be the only route that will ever see hybrids. Will the 529 ever get hybrids (Maybe on a sunday. )
Also looking at how many hybrids will be needed on a sunday you could operate the 1 (Less than 10 needed from what i saw) and the 59 only needs 6 buses so the 59 could still be fully hybrid operated and have spare ones
I will definitely check tomorrow when I get to work about branding ;). Also i will check allocation sheets on a sunday once all have entered service too. You will also see both types on 59s but most probably E400H, also 529s won't see hybrids unless of a breakdown etc, very rare working.
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 07, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 07, 2013, 10:24:56 PM
They'll more than likely go on the best routes for start & stop, I'm unaware what routes are like this in Wolverhampton
1, 59 (in wednesfild town centre), 79, 126 (Traffic on bham new road, burnt tree, wolverhampton road & city centre) 529
I can't see that all spares will be used on the 59 though as there will be some in the garage at times
The only routes confirmed for hybrids is 1 and 59, there will be 1 hybrid in garage for the afternoon route 1 running board, all others will be on the road so as they 'pay there way' and for 'operational reasons'.
I usually see the peak running board from the garage on the 1 pulling into Wolverhampton in an afternoon. Will you see the hybrids on all day running boards or just peak time running boards? Or Both?
The Hybrids on the 59 could be like the hybrids on 24 at BC. Any Spare go on Mon-Sat and fully Hybrid operated on Sundays. I hope the 59 becomes fully hybrid operated on Sundays.
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
sorry to sound a bit sarcastic, but isnt all bus routes stop start work? i mean imagine the 126 stopping at every stop along the way, wouldnt that work? if not be an ideal way to charge them batteries.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
It's been previously mentioned that the Spectras are to stay for the time being, while other tridents move elsewhere
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I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
There will only be 2-3 on the 59 so the spectras will be on there just a few less.
At least this will probably see the end of single deckers appearing on the 59
Quote from: Shaun on April 08, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
It's been previously mentioned that the Spectras are to stay for the time being, while other tridents move elsewhere
Well I'm sorry I don't read and remember every single post...
My theory is that BC get some of the Enviro 400 on order (60 on order) which will cascade tridents back to WN and Spectras Withdrawn later this year.
Matt, You will probably see that Tridents, Spectras then 2-3 running boards will be Hybrid (Both types i've been told) so we will get even more of a variety on the 59!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:11:46 AM
Matt, You will probably see that Tridents, Spectras then 2-3 running boards will be Hybrid (Both types i've been told) so we will get even more of a variety on the 59!
You mean you will...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Shaun on April 08, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
It's been previously mentioned that the Spectras are to stay for the time being, while other tridents move elsewhere
Well I'm sorry I don't read and remember every single post...
Was only trying to be helpful :o. Here's the quote below :):
Quote from: 4006 on February 10, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
What about your spectras 4006?
Ah Yes I forgot to mention...due to be withdrawn Feb/March they are not (so I been told) the Spectra's will soldier on (fortunately for some, unfortunately for others!) for the meantime at least anyhows!
Maybe they will indeed go once the new Hybrids are in place? but the info I have is they will be staying for a bit longer!
Quote from: Shaun on April 08, 2013, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 12:07:26 AM
Quote from: Shaun on April 08, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
It's been previously mentioned that the Spectras are to stay for the time being, while other tridents move elsewhere
Well I'm sorry I don't read and remember every single post...
Was only trying to be helpful :o. Here's the quote below :):
Quote from: 4006 on February 10, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 07:45:24 PM
What about your spectras 4006?
Ah Yes I forgot to mention...due to be withdrawn Feb/March they are not (so I been told) the Spectra's will soldier on (fortunately for some, unfortunately for others!) for the meantime at least anyhows!
Maybe they will indeed go once the new Hybrids are in place? but the info I have is they will be staying for a bit longer!
Sorry mate I'm just in a bit of a mood. I shouldn't take it out on you :(
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
Spectras will be here until early 2014 at the earliest, you'll see them dude don't worry ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:03:15 AM
So there will be hybrids on the 1 and up to 2-3 on 59 with a spare in the garage for an extra peak running board on the 1
Correct dude.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 08, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:55:57 PM
I see the end of the road for the Spectras. :(
Spectras will still appear i think
Don't see why they'd need them any more
Spectras will be here until early 2014 at the earliest, you'll see them dude don't worry ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:03:15 AM
So there will be hybrids on the 1 and up to 2-3 on 59 with a spare in the garage for an extra peak running board on the 1
Correct dude.
Great, thanks, the day the Spectras leave will be a sad day.
I wonder if on their final day at least one could be put on each of the WN routes i.e. a Spectra running day?
Wonder if they will preserve 4001 and 4002 (And of course 4019 ;D)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
Wonder if they will preserve 4001 and 4002 (And of course 4019 ;D)
I think I might preserve 4019 ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
Wonder if they will preserve 4001 and 4002 (And of course 4019 ;D)
Seems very likely, they were the 2nd and 3rd low floor deckers in the UK, with 1 being the first in Scotland.
I doubt that 4019 will be preserved, unless Matt buys it himself.
This is becoming a Spectra appreciation thread. Great!
Back to Hybrids, I am going out in abit to see if any E400H are in service.
Haven't seen any yet only b5's a spectra and some tridents.
Quote from: 5513 (A1991) on April 08, 2013, 09:08:50 AM
Haven't seen any yet only b5's a spectra and some tridents.
They might be out today, NXWM anounced in their facebook page that 21 hybrid buses are on the 1 today.
National Express West Midlands
QuoteWe've turned our Black Country #1 route green with 21 hybrid buses now serving #Dudley, #Sedgley, #Wolverhampton and #Tettenhall Wood
I will tell you if i see any when i go out. Not all will be out as some are still in plain green/white yesterday.
I haven't seen an E400H yet but that was just on the tettenhall road section but all i've seen is B5LH, Tridents and a spectra (4003)
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
Quote from: Driver03 on April 08, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
I saw the usual today B5LH, Tridents and a spectra (4003)
Give it chance, they haven't even entered service on their intended route1 yet! :)
Quote from: Gareth on April 08, 2013, 04:46:18 PM
Give it chance, they haven't even entered service on their intended route1 yet! :)
I was only asking
I have only seen 1 'branded up' 400H which has been in the garage for a while although I think it has moved, the others seam to be just parked up on the yard sitting there doing..well not a lot to tell the truth obviously no rush to get them into service!
Maybe they are just teasing us ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 4006 on April 08, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
I have only seen 1 'branded up' 400H which has been in the garage for a while although I think it has moved, the others seam to be just parked up on the yard sitting there doing..well not a lot to tell the truth obviously no rush to get them into service!
Maybe they are just teasing us ;D ;D ;D
You would think they would get them into service asap. after all they are expensive items to be sat around doing nothing.
Or with the vandalism incident have they decided to let the kids get back to school first?
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Quote from: 4006 on April 08, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
I have only seen 1 'branded up' 400H which has been in the garage for a while although I think it has moved, the others seam to be just parked up on the yard sitting there doing..well not a lot to tell the truth obviously no rush to get them into service!
Maybe they are just teasing us ;D ;D ;D
You would think they would get them into service asap. after all they are expensive items to be sat around doing nothing.
Or with the vandalism incident have they decided to let the kids get back to school first?
Vandalism incident? enlighten me I must be behind with this Cheers
Two boys ripping off seats upstairs
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 08, 2013, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 08, 2013, 08:06:58 PM
I have only seen 1 'branded up' 400H which has been in the garage for a while although I think it has moved, the others seam to be just parked up on the yard sitting there doing..well not a lot to tell the truth obviously no rush to get them into service!
Maybe they are just teasing us ;D ;D ;D
You would think they would get them into service asap. after all they are expensive items to be sat around doing nothing.
Or with the vandalism incident have they decided to let the kids get back to school first?
Vandalism incident? enlighten me I must be behind with this Cheers
See pages 39 & 40
Cheers for update sorry I missed that bit
The idiots will get away with it scott free and your daysavers and passes will go up another 10p next year!!
Quote from: Driver03 on April 08, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
Were they suposed to enter service today? Maybe tommorow but some appear to be still plain whit and green with no logos but that was sunday so they could be being vinyled up.
I wonder if any other services will be confirmed for hybrids
I'm hopefully going Dudley way tomorrow, so will keep a look out on the 1 for any Enviro's. :)
Quote from: John on April 08, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
I'm hopefully going Dudley way tomorrow, so will keep a look out on the 1 for any Enviro's. :)
Any sign of them and I'm coming to Dudley like a flash
Quote from: John on April 08, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
I'm hopefully going Dudley way tomorrow, so will keep a look out on the 1 for any Enviro's. :)
Same i will keep my eyes peeled for one. Soon as i see one i am getting on it.
Quote from: Shaun on April 08, 2013, 11:11:19 PM
I wonder if any other services will be confirmed for hybrids
Just the 1 and 59 at the moment.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 08, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
Were they suposed to enter service today? Maybe tommorow but some appear to be still plain whit and green with no logos but that was sunday so they could be being vinyled up.
They were supposed to be in service from today (8th) however it's looking unlikely they will be in service tomorrow (9th) either, just chatted to the vehicle allocator and according to him and I quote "something's gone wrong" no idea what, but I'll find out! There are a good few already vinyed up and ready to go (see Tony's pics on main site) but at the minute as 4006 says they are in the yard doing nothing... I wanna drive one now, not look at one ;D!
Quote from: Driver03 on April 09, 2013, 01:12:33 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 08, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
Were they suposed to enter service today? Maybe tommorow but some appear to be still plain whit and green with no logos but that was sunday so they could be being vinyled up.
They were supposed to be in service from today (8th) however it's looking unlikely they will be in service tomorrow (9th) either, just chatted to the vehicle allocator and according to him and I quote "something's gone wrong" no idea what, but I'll find out! There are a good few already vinyed up and ready to go (see Tony's pics on main site) but at the minute as 4006 says they are in the yard doing nothing... I wanna drive one now, not look at one ;D!
Well for a start 5415 hasn't turned up yet, 8 of them have no decals on. More importantly none of them are taxed.
Not sure where you got Monday from?
Quote from: BN on April 09, 2013, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 09, 2013, 01:12:33 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 08, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 08, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
For some reason no E400h have left garage today, I'll keep you all informed.
Were they suposed to enter service today? Maybe tommorow but some appear to be still plain whit and green with no logos but that was sunday so they could be being vinyled up.
They were supposed to be in service from today (8th) however it's looking unlikely they will be in service tomorrow (9th) either, just chatted to the vehicle allocator and according to him and I quote "something's gone wrong" no idea what, but I'll find out! There are a good few already vinyed up and ready to go (see Tony's pics on main site) but at the minute as 4006 says they are in the yard doing nothing... I wanna drive one now, not look at one ;D!
Well for a start 5415 hasn't turned up yet, 8 of them have no decals on. More importantly none of them are taxed.
Not sure where you got Monday from?
The notice concerning type training, it says in use from the 8th dude.
5411 Went down Pipers row out of Service today which i took a photo of! Was this doing type training as there were 2 other drivers aboard
I also saw 5411 going past the Beacon centre for the blind but 'not in service'
It was going down Pipers Row When i saw it at about 1:25. Think they were type training
I saw it too.
I was on a B5 in Wolves on Market Street and saw it overtake us.
It was still "Not in Service" when we caught up with it in Dudley and when it left the bus station.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 04:16:23 PM
It was going down Pipers Row When i saw it at about 1:25. Think they were type training
Probably not usually type training done at the garage can't say for sure
4609 on ML1 today btw
Quote from: 4006 on April 09, 2013, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 04:16:23 PM
It was going down Pipers Row When i saw it at about 1:25. Think they were type training
Probably not usually type training done at the garage can't say for sure
4609 on ML1 today btw
Thanks, 4609 appeared on the 59 for the first time in ages yesterday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
5411 Went down Pipers row out of Service today which i took a photo of! Was this doing type training as there were 2 other drivers aboard
I saw it in Dudley, with quite a few drivers on board, on trade plates, so not taxed yet. Parked in the Bus Station for about 10 minutes before leaving again. Pic to follow.
Quote from: John on April 09, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
5411 Went down Pipers row out of Service today which i took a photo of! Was this doing type training as there were 2 other drivers aboard
I saw it in Dudley, with quite a few drivers on board, on trade plates, so not taxed yet. Parked in the Bus Station for about 10 minutes before leaving again. Pic to follow.
As promised
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8635523830/
Wonder what the purpose of the trip was other than to confuse every passenger it past along the route wondering why it didn't stop!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5501.html
Anyone know why the leaves have been removed?
Quote from: nx4737 on April 09, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/5501.html
Anyone know why the leaves have been removed?
I was wondering the same thing, but didnt get a photo becuase I already had one but something looked diffrent about it, but couldnt place my finger on it but now i know
A police car took the side out of it and it was repaired at Carlyle Bus & Coach
Ouch, must have been nasty.
Hope the leaves are re-applied.
Quote from: nx4737 on April 09, 2013, 08:04:53 PM
Ouch, must have been nasty.
Hope the leaves are re-applied.
They probably will keep it plain but i agree i hope the leaves are reapplied
Is there any word of when the Enviro400s will appear on the 1?
Quote from: John on April 10, 2013, 10:42:05 PM
Is there any word of when the Enviro400s will appear on the 1?
A driver told me today Probably Monday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 10, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: John on April 10, 2013, 10:42:05 PM
Is there any word of when the Enviro400s will appear on the 1?
A driver told me today Probably Monday
Conveniently the day I go back to school as usual. Just like when the B5s came in :(
With the Metro rplacement finishing Sunday this will free up extra buses and as thus far they have managed I don't see no rush required to get the 400H's into service!!
I also believe that the spare 2-3 Hybrids will start to appear on the 59 from Monday aswell.
A spare hybrid will be in the garage to operate a Afternoon peak running board.
Quote from: John on April 09, 2013, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: John on April 09, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 03:30:19 PM
5411 Went down Pipers row out of Service today which i took a photo of! Was this doing type training as there were 2 other drivers aboard
I saw it in Dudley, with quite a few drivers on board, on trade plates, so not taxed yet. Parked in the Bus Station for about 10 minutes before leaving again. Pic to follow.
As promised
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8635523830/
Looks so much better without vinyls, thanks for posting :)
There is an E400h on the 1 today, didn't see bus number though, also not sure what time it is on until. Happy days they seem to be entering service ;).
Quote from: Driver03 on April 11, 2013, 05:48:26 PM
There is an E400h on the 1 today, didn't see bus number though, also not sure what time it is on until. Happy days they seem to be entering service ;).
I have done the 1 route today and haven't seen it.
Will there be one tommorow?
I saw 5414 Returning to the garage with a regular driver driving. Don't know if it has been in service though ???
Was it on all day? I didn't see it at any point on the 1 so did it go onto the afternoon extra peak running board?
Some kid has put a brick through the back window of 5512 this evening. ffs!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Some kid has put a brick through the back window of 5512 this evening. ffs!
Doesn't give much incentive to National Express to keep them at WN once the initial year is over.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 11, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Some kid has put a brick through the back window of 5512 this evening. ffs!
Doesn't give much incentive to National Express to keep them at WN once the initial year is over.
I hope they don't as most of the scum around here don't deserve new buses
It always happens on the Wolverhampton-Dudley section so if the 1 still operated between Wolverhampton and Tettenhall Wood then this stuff wouldn't happen.
Doesn't suprise me that it happend in Gornal Wood!
Number 1 doesn't go to gornal wood
I mean Upper Gornal area sorry :( I know Gornal Wood is served by 27/A/257 etc.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Some kid has put a brick through the back window of 5512 this evening. ffs!
Were you on the bus dude?
Yeah, I know where u meant. Its not kids from upper gornal doing it though, they're from the wrens nest. They've been standing by McDonald's all week throwing bricks at buses, cars, lorries and people all week. I know one of them lives on wrens nest road and put the window through on the X96 on at least 2 occasions.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 11, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
Was it on all day? I didn't see it at any point on the 1 so did it go onto the afternoon extra peak running board?
It wasn't on afternoon peak board buddy, I saw it about 6 ish at Chapel ash island no idea when it got put on but I can say for certain it wasn't the afternoon peak board.
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
Quote from: Driver03 on April 11, 2013, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 11, 2013, 09:49:12 PM
Was it on all day? I didn't see it at any point on the 1 so did it go onto the afternoon extra peak running board?
It wasn't on afternoon peak board buddy, I saw it about 6 ish at Chapel ash island no idea when it got put on but I can say for certain it wasn't the afternoon peak board.
Must of been put on late afternoon then at some point as it wasn't on during the day!
How long will 5512 be out of action for?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Like you said lucky there wasn't a k/o!
Nearside or offside window?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:38:02 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Like you said lucky there wasn't a k/o!
Nearside or offside window?
Offside dude and there nearly was, missed a lady by centimetres literally she was shaking :(
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:50:35 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:38:02 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Like you said lucky there wasn't a k/o!
Nearside or offside window?
Offside dude and there nearly was, missed a lady by centimetres literally she was shaking :(
Blimey!
A police patrol should be put out around that area in the evenings, this is terrible.
Comes to the stage where the B5s need bullet-proof glass fitted...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:57:29 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:50:35 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:38:02 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Like you said lucky there wasn't a k/o!
Nearside or offside window?
Offside dude and there nearly was, missed a lady by centimetres literally she was shaking :(
Blimey!
A police patrol should be put out around that area in the evenings, this is terrible.
Comes to the stage where the B5s need bullet-proof glass fitted...
Don't leave out poor E400H's for bullet proof glass ;D
I'm sure NXWM will liaise with the police to solve the problem, they are good like that to be honest.
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 01:03:57 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:57:29 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:50:35 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:38:02 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 12, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 11, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
I was on 5517 at the time, we pulled up behind 5512 which was sitting with its hazards on a few minutes after Sedgley (towards Dudley).
The first thing 5512's driver said to ours was "no, I don't need a plug"
That was me dude that said that ;D, it was my bus with broken window >:(
Well you did make me chuckle!
Is is the upper or lower window?
:D that was the idea to chuckle about it or I'd of cried ;) lower saloon window at the back (last in the row of windows)
Like you said lucky there wasn't a k/o!
Nearside or offside window?
Offside dude and there nearly was, missed a lady by centimetres literally she was shaking :(
Blimey!
A police patrol should be put out around that area in the evenings, this is terrible.
Comes to the stage where the B5s need bullet-proof glass fitted...
Don't leave out poor E400H's for bullet proof glass ;D
I'm sure NXWM will liaise with the police to solve the problem, they are good like that to be honest.
Actually I prefer the Enviros so they should get priority ;)
A network of CCTV needs set up in that area so they can follow the chavs on the cameras to find out where they return home after their target practice
Or just use them as target practice
5414 in service on the 1 today!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 12, 2013, 12:54:30 PM
5414 in service on the 1 today!
Let's try and get it this afternoon/evening :)
at least 3 enviros in service today on the 1
Yes saw 5414 earlier, also 5410 broken down Dudley bound between Sedgley & Upper Gornal.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 12, 2013, 02:18:10 PM
Yes saw 5414 earlier, also 5410 broken down Dudley bound between Sedgley & Upper Gornal.
Didn't one of the B5s break down on its first day too?
5512 had window replaced and is ready to go ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 02:24:32 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 12, 2013, 02:18:10 PM
Yes saw 5414 earlier, also 5410 broken down Dudley bound between Sedgley & Upper Gornal.
Didn't one of the B5s break down on its first day too?
Off the top of my head, wasn't it 5512.
Currently on 5413 heading towards Wolverhampton, certainly feels quick and much smoother than the B5's but haven't detected any evidence of Stop-start yet
Also 5412 and 5414 out, no sign of 5410
5411/12/13/14 in service on the 1 and i think 5410 broke down.
Also 5512 is already back out!
Been on 5414 earlier today and have decided, as much as I like the B5's the E400H's win my vote. The E400H' just seem to be quieter and the gear change is a lot smoother.
When i saw the 1 at lunchtime, the buses seemed very bunched together. As i passed through Sedgley, two buses were going towards Dudley and opposite, two buses were going towards Wolverhampton.
5513 made it into service on the 529!!!
5513 was on the 1 earlier and then i saw it parked in the layby area next to the bus station so could of sneaked onto the 529.
There has been Tridents, A spectra (4022), B5LH and E400H.
I managed to get 5414 and i think they are much smarter than BC'd without the mega rear on it.
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
I've been on both :P
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
I've been on both and like the Volvo better than the Enviro
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
Have always liked the Enviro 400, whether in normal or hybrid, very nice ride and very quiet to.
Quote from: Shaun on April 12, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
I've been on both :P
Did you choose the B5? If so why? :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 12, 2013, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
Have always liked the Enviro 400, whether in normal or hybrid, very nice ride and very quiet to.
Yeah in my opinion any Dennis/ADL bus in the last 7/8 years has been better than the Volvo equivalent
5513 - The Enviro 400H has no gears - the engine drives only the generator which charges the batteries. What I like about the B5LH is that it starts off as an electric bus. If the E400H did that I might change my vote.
Quote from: Stevo on April 12, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
5513 - The Enviro 400H has no gears - the engine drives only the generator which charges the batteries. What I like about the B5LH is that it starts off as an electric bus. If the E400H did that I might change my vote.
So exactly how does the E400H save money over a conventional bus?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 12, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
I've been on both :P
Did you choose the B5? If so why? :)
I've been on both dozens of times as I live on the 22/23 routes. I voted B5 but it's a difficult call, both are good and have their merits. Upper deck legroom on the B5 just about swung it for me.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 12, 2013, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: Stevo on April 12, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
5513 - The Enviro 400H has no gears - the engine drives only the generator which charges the batteries. What I like about the B5LH is that it starts off as an electric bus. If the E400H did that I might change my vote.
So exactly how does the E400H save money over a conventional bus?
As opposed to the stop start B5LH of the Volvo as far as I know the system works in tandem on the E400H so even though there is no stop start the battery operation is incorporated into the diesel working which ultimately in my opinion gives a much smoother more consistant ride and still giving a better economy over a conventional bus. Weather this is comparable to the B5 is debateable only the statastitions will know. I also believe the Enviro 400H are 4.6cc similar to the B5's where conventionals are 6LTR. I do not have the specs so maybe someone more in the 'know' can confirm??
For Info...
Several E400 in service today...5411/14/16
Here is one:
Appolologies For quality Again:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8644250722/in/photostream
It seams there has been a lot of activity today what with 3 in service and all the others being washed as if ready for use in service!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8644250654/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8644250810/in/photostream/
Regards
Are 5410-19 branded then 5420/21 unbranded which will be used as spares on the 59?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: Shaun on April 12, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 12, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
I think most of the people who voted for the B5 were people who had only been on a B5 and didn't realise that the E400H is much better
I've been on both :P
Did you choose the B5? If so why? :)
Yeah, I did. Better engine, better body, quick nippy, never really been a fan of the E400Hs ever since I got on the first one ::)
Quote from: wilmotm on April 12, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
Currently on 5413 heading towards Wolverhampton, certainly feels quick and much smoother than the B5's but haven't detected any evidence of Stop-start yet
Also 5412 and 5414 out, no sign of 5410
It was this article (paragraph second from bottom) that indicated they would be stop-start:
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/media-details.php?s=47&subs=69&catID=1&itemID=150
Well I was on E400h's yesterday for about 2 hours on the 1 and not a single stop-start, maybe too cold? Maybe not setup yet
I was in Dundee on Monday 8th April. 5422 to 5429 were lined up in the garage yard in numerical order, all branded for the 5.
The route needs 7 buses on the main route plus 4 on the short workings from the city centre to Balgillo. They do not appear to interwork. I wondered if 5430 was out driver training but a mechanic said that it had not been delivered. One of the drivers said that they had not started driver training yet.
4123 and 4124 were working on route 5 and 295, now 0295 was on the 137. 296 was in the yard missing a few parts and 299 was also there but apparently complete. 301 waswell stripped for spares.
Tony, I have a few photos from that date, if there is a way I can get them to you let me know.
Quote from: wilmotm on April 13, 2013, 12:49:58 PM
Well I was on E400h's yesterday for about 2 hours on the 1 and not a single stop-start, maybe too cold? Maybe not setup yet
Look out for 5409 and, apparently, anything on a 62 'plate.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 13, 2013, 03:41:10 PM
I was in Dundee on Monday 8th April. 5422 to 5429 were lined up in the garage yard in numerical order, all branded for the 5.
The route needs 7 buses on the main route plus 4 on the short workings from the city centre to Balgillo. They do not appear to interwork. I wondered if 5430 was out driver training but a mechanic said that it had not been delivered. One of the drivers said that they had not started driver training yet.
4123 and 4124 were working on route 5 and 295, now 0295 was on the 137. 296 was in the yard missing a few parts and 299 was also there but apparently complete. 301 waswell stripped for spares.
Tony, I have a few photos from that date, if there is a way I can get them to you let me know.
Driver training began yesterday in Dundee
Personally, from a passenger point of view and from one of an engineer's interest the E400h is the one I'd go for but looking at it from a drivers point of view, I chose the B5- it's like a bloody Ferrari!
If they were able to raise the maximum speed to the legal limit on the E400h and tweak the performance without affecting fuel consumption too much then you might find that the E400h might be more nicer to drive. It's certainly much smoother in traffic but as with most series hybrids, lacks some top end punch.
The E400H is certainly faster off the blocks than any B5. However I must say the WN E400Hs do feel a lot less fast than the BC ones!
Whats the possibility of NXWM trialing a hybrid single decker like the MAN Ecocity which is in service in East Anglia and Runcorn ?
Quote from: 4484 on April 14, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Whats the possibility of NXWM trialing a hybrid single decker like the MAN Ecocity which is in service in East Anglia and Runcorn ?
The MAN Ecocity isn't a hybrid bus, they run on compressed natural gas (CNG), these have the big pods on the roof which house the gas cylinders.
TWM trialled 14 x Volvo B10L/Alexander Ultra back in 1997 on the 529 which ran on CNG, they were converted back to run on diesel eventually
Having driven both, the E400h wins hands down. Smoother and faster. The Volvo is easier to maneuver with a shorter wheelbase but on 5-Ways island you would, without a shadow of doubt, be better off with an Enviro. Just get used to the automatic retarder as the brakes can be a little sharp if you drive the thing like a Trident. Nice to see 5501 back on the road after a severe RTC after a robbed car took it off the road for a few months.
The issue with the B5's the gear change ratio is so long you can fit another gear in between them! Personally, I don't like them, but at least the brakes are better then them damn B7rle's!!!
Regards,
BC Mobile
Interesting to hear a driver's perspective on the Hybrids BC Mobile. Which rota(s) are you on at BC?
I'm on the Bristol Road now, but I know all the routes. I have to say to go on the HB after months of BR is such a pleasure, with a generous amount of running time and nice buses, its very hard to get these duties on day off. Duty 2 is the best iirc, 3 trips, 23, 22, 23. Shame there's about a 10year waiting list for the road.
5504 has stop/start technology, but it must be in its beta stages as sometimes it wouldn't restart and it would have to be isolated.
As with all our buses now, I dislike the N/S mirror arm, some of them can be a decent 6 or so inches from the bus, which can be a pain on Stevens Avenue (or road/way/street)... nice routes though.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
I'm on the Bristol Road now, but I know all the routes. I have to say to go on the HB after months of BR is such a pleasure, with a generous amount of running time and nice buses, its very hard to get these duties on day off. Duty 2 is the best iirc, 3 trips, 23, 22, 23. Shame there's about a 10year waiting list for the road.
Yep, I live on the 22/23 routes and you see the same old faces year after year driving the buses, quite a few have been on there since Quinton garage days. Hadn't appreciated there was such a waiting list for it though!
Quote from: Winston on April 14, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: 4484 on April 14, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Whats the possibility of NXWM trialing a hybrid single decker like the MAN Ecocity which is in service in East Anglia and Runcorn ?
The MAN Ecocity isn't a hybrid bus, they run on compressed natural gas (CNG), these have the big pods on the roof which house the gas cylinders.
TWM trialled 14 x Volvo B10L/Alexander Ultra back in 1997 on the 529 which ran on CNG, they were converted back to run on diesel eventually
Things have changed since then, I'm sure the technology is better in the arriva ones but they cost an arm and a leg, but I would like to see them in Birmingham
Yup, you've got it, from way back in the corporation! Well, I say 10 years but its more like 7.
Heh, fancy something hardcore; the 29 at 10:30 in Northfield - PUSHCHAIR EXPRESS. Or Unemployment Shuttle. Gah.
Is hybrids the only deckers WM are going to buy in the future then? I've yet to see any 62/13 reg deckers that aren't green.
Quote from: dgss1 on April 14, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 14, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
Quote from: 4484 on April 14, 2013, 02:34:59 PM
Whats the possibility of NXWM trialing a hybrid single decker like the MAN Ecocity which is in service in East Anglia and Runcorn ?
The MAN Ecocity isn't a hybrid bus, they run on compressed natural gas (CNG), these have the big pods on the roof which house the gas cylinders.
TWM trialled 14 x Volvo B10L/Alexander Ultra back in 1997 on the 529 which ran on CNG, they were converted back to run on diesel eventually
Things have changed since then, I'm sure the technology is better in the arriva ones but they cost an arm and a leg, but I would like to see them in Birmingham
Its not just the cost of the vehicles, CNG refuelling facilities would also need to be installed in garages.
There appears to be another Hybrids option currently being developed by two different consortium's Wrightbus/Arriva & Voith & Williams Hybrid Power/Go-Ahead Group using flywheels, this technology is said to be more cost effective and straightforward, it removes the need for heavy/expensive battery packs and can also be retrofitted to existing vehicles
Article in latest RouteOne about Flywheel Hybrids
http://www.route-one.net/issues/482/index.html#/4/
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Is hybrids the only deckers WM are going to buy in the future then? I've yet to see any 62/13 reg deckers that aren't green.
NX are thought to have ordered/be ordering 60 standard ADL Enviro 400's for delivery during 2013, the only confirmed allocation to date is 10 to Coventry, to join the 23 B7RLE due there imminently.
The batch of Enviros for Coventry may already be in build at ADL, as Tony has confirmed that Miller St were preparing / sending cash vaults to ADL a couple of weeks back
Quote from: Winston on April 14, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Is hybrids the only deckers WM are going to buy in the future then? I've yet to see any 62/13 reg deckers that aren't green.
NX are thought to have ordered/be ordering 60 standard ADL Enviro 400's for delivery during 2013, the only confirmed allocation to date is 10 to Coventry, to join the 23 B7RLE due there imminently.
The batch of Enviros for Coventry may already be in build at ADL, as Tony has confirmed that Miller St were preparing / sending cash vaults to ADL a couple of weeks back
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm just wondering cause some of those 41hundred tridents are really tired. A massive refurb issue should be ordered for those cause they are worse then the Metrobus when they were withdrawn.
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
They need E200's on the 58. That route is deadly with a full size.
I expect the routes the hybrids are on in the Black Country are low risk? By that I mean not much trouble with passengers damaging the vehicles.
BC Mobile
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
Having driven both, the E400h wins hands down. Smoother and faster. The Volvo is easier to maneuver with a shorter wheelbase but on 5-Ways island you would, without a shadow of doubt, be better off with an Enviro. Just get used to the automatic retarder as the brakes can be a little sharp if you drive the thing like a Trident. Nice to see 5501 back on the road after a severe RTC after a robbed car took it off the road for a few months.
The issue with the B5's the gear change ratio is so long you can fit another gear in between them! Personally, I don't like them, but at least the brakes are better then them damn B7rle's!!!
Regards,
BC Mobile
Completely agree on the brakes being sharp, I drove 5414 last night and I was shocked how sharp they were, I'm not a fan of the E400H at the moment, purely for the brakes. I do think I prefer the b5's however I'm reserving judgement until I've driven another E400H and have got used to the brakes.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 14, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:11:56 PM
Is hybrids the only deckers WM are going to buy in the future then? I've yet to see any 62/13 reg deckers that aren't green.
NX are thought to have ordered/be ordering 60 standard ADL Enviro 400's for delivery during 2013, the only confirmed allocation to date is 10 to Coventry, to join the 23 B7RLE due there imminently.
The batch of Enviros for Coventry may already be in build at ADL, as Tony has confirmed that Miller St were preparing / sending cash vaults to ADL a couple of weeks back
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm just wondering cause some of those 41hundred tridents are really tired. A massive refurb issue should be ordered for those cause they are worse then the Metrobus when they were withdrawn.
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
They need E200's on the 58. That route is deadly with a full size.
I expect the routes the hybrids are on in the Black Country are low risk? By that I mean not much trouble with passengers damaging the vehicles.
BC Mobile
Wouldn't say that, WN ones have already suffered from a couple of instances of vandalism.
Quote from: Driver03 on April 14, 2013, 05:02:51 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
Having driven both, the E400h wins hands down. Smoother and faster. The Volvo is easier to maneuver with a shorter wheelbase but on 5-Ways island you would, without a shadow of doubt, be better off with an Enviro. Just get used to the automatic retarder as the brakes can be a little sharp if you drive the thing like a Trident. Nice to see 5501 back on the road after a severe RTC after a robbed car took it off the road for a few months.
The issue with the B5's the gear change ratio is so long you can fit another gear in between them! Personally, I don't like them, but at least the brakes are better then them damn B7rle's!!!
Regards,
BC Mobile
Completely agree on the brakes being sharp, I drove 5414 last night and I was shocked how sharp they were, I'm not a fan of the E400H at the moment, purely for the brakes. I do think I prefer the b5's however I'm reserving judgement until I've driven another E400H and have got used to the brakes.
From the part of where you would use the retarder, dont put your foot on the brake (Just come off the accelerator). Then when you would use the brakes (The bit past the retarder section of brake pedal, if that makes sense), barely touch the brake pedal, and the thing will then come to a very smooth stop. However, it is a bit of a brown trouser moment when the retarder doesn't 'activate'.
Actually, having said that, I dont know what your ones are like to drive. I dare say possibly better then BC's as they're newer = newer technology?
OFF-TOPIC: How jolty are E200's....
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Is hybrids the only deckers WM are going to buy in the future then? I've yet to see any 62/13 reg deckers that aren't green.
NX are thought to have ordered/be ordering 60 standard ADL Enviro 400's for delivery during 2013, the only confirmed allocation to date is 10 to Coventry, to join the 23 B7RLE due there imminently.
The batch of Enviros for Coventry may already be in build at ADL, as Tony has confirmed that Miller St were preparing / sending cash vaults to ADL a couple of weeks back
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm just wondering cause some of those 41hundred tridents are really tired. A massive refurb issue should be ordered for those cause they are worse then the Metrobus when they were withdrawn.
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
They need E200's on the 58. That route is deadly with a full size.
I expect the routes the hybrids are on in the Black Country are low risk? By that I mean not much trouble with passengers damaging the vehicles.
BC Mobile
Wouldn't say that, WN ones have already suffered from a couple of instances of vandalism.
Negitive news that is. At least theres no emergency exit they can open on these buses.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
NXWM trialled 1908 Mk1 which was a Enviro 300 mostly at PE and I only ever heard poor reviews about it, broke down a few times, terrible driving position, cramped cabin, and a fairly outdated model which was showing its age and am personally very glad they went for the higher quality B7RLE's
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
NXWM trialled 1908 Mk1 which was a Enviro 300 mostly at PE and I only ever heard poor reviews about it, broke down a few times, terrible driving position, cramped cabin, and a fairly outdated model which was showing its age and am personally very glad they went for the higher quality B7RLE's
Oh I see! That makes sense. I mean dont get me wrong when the B7RLE's were brand new they really were nice to drive. But now they've got mileage the things rattle and bang and jolt and creak like it's done millions.. Still nice buses; albeit cold and damp! (Especially 2138 from i've noticed)
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Quote from: wilmotm on April 14, 2013, 05:19:12 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Any idea why NX never got any ADL full size single deckers? Only seem to see Volvo B7RLE's about the place. Would be nice to see a ALX300(?) for NX. Maybe on the X64.
NXWM trialled 1908 Mk1 which was a Enviro 300 mostly at PE and I only ever heard poor reviews about it, broke down a few times, terrible driving position, cramped cabin, and a fairly outdated model which was showing its age and am personally very glad they went for the higher quality B7RLE's
Oh I see! That makes sense. I mean dont get me wrong when the B7RLE's were brand new they really were nice to drive. But now they've got mileage the things rattle and bang and jolt and creak like it's done millions.. Still nice buses; albeit cold and damp! (Especially 2138 from i've noticed)
Can't agree more, my local routes and ones I use to commute use Pensnett B7 RLE's but last week I spent some time on Wolverhamptons B7's, the first ones to arrive, some 4 months older than the Pensnett ones and a few of them were rattiling and creaking with bits of plastic making all sorts of noises and were beginning to rattle on idle, do hope that when the PE one's catch up with them in terms of age and mileage they don't start falling apart
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Having driven both, the E400h wins hands down. Smoother and faster. The Volvo is easier to maneuver with a shorter wheelbase but on 5-Ways island you would, without a shadow of doubt, be better off with an Enviro. Just get used to the automatic retarder as the brakes can be a little sharp if you drive the thing like a Trident. Nice to see 5501 back on the road after a severe RTC after a robbed car took it off the road for a few months.
The issue with the B5's the gear change ratio is so long you can fit another gear in between them! Personally, I don't like them, but at least the brakes are better then them damn B7rle's!!!
Regards,
BC Mobile
Completely agree on the brakes being sharp, I drove 5414 last night and I was shocked how sharp they were, I'm not a fan of the E400H at the moment, purely for the brakes. I do think I prefer the b5's however I'm reserving judgement until I've driven another E400H and have got used to the brakes.
From the part of where you would use the retarder, dont put your foot on the brake (Just come off the accelerator). Then when you would use the brakes (The bit past the retarder section of brake pedal, if that makes sense), barely touch the brake pedal, and the thing will then come to a very smooth stop. However, it is a bit of a brown trouser moment when the retarder doesn't 'activate'.
Actually, having said that, I dont know what your ones are like to drive. I dare say possibly better then BC's as they're newer = newer technology?
I'd assume they'd be roughly the same, I did find that my self and I understand what you mean :D it doesn't inspire much confidence though when you first jump in ;D. I'm sure ill get the hang of them, in the looks dept I do prefer the E400h they look stunning compared to B5s which look good but bland.
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
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Having driven both, the E400h wins hands down. Smoother and faster. The Volvo is easier to maneuver with a shorter wheelbase but on 5-Ways island you would, without a shadow of doubt, be better off with an Enviro. Just get used to the automatic retarder as the brakes can be a little sharp if you drive the thing like a Trident. Nice to see 5501 back on the road after a severe RTC after a robbed car took it off the road for a few months.
The issue with the B5's the gear change ratio is so long you can fit another gear in between them! Personally, I don't like them, but at least the brakes are better then them damn B7rle's!!!
Regards,
BC Mobile
Completely agree on the brakes being sharp, I drove 5414 last night and I was shocked how sharp they were, I'm not a fan of the E400H at the moment, purely for the brakes. I do think I prefer the b5's however I'm reserving judgement until I've driven another E400H and have got used to the brakes.
From the part of where you would use the retarder, dont put your foot on the brake (Just come off the accelerator). Then when you would use the brakes (The bit past the retarder section of brake pedal, if that makes sense), barely touch the brake pedal, and the thing will then come to a very smooth stop. However, it is a bit of a brown trouser moment when the retarder doesn't 'activate'.
Actually, having said that, I dont know what your ones are like to drive. I dare say possibly better then BC's as they're newer = newer technology?
I'd assume they'd be roughly the same, I did find that my self and I understand what you mean :D it doesn't inspire much confidence though when you first jump in ;D. I'm sure ill get the hang of them, in the looks dept I do prefer the E400h they look stunning compared to B5s which look good but bland.
As the training room always says "Take your time, dont rush etc etc" lol ;-)
Oh looks wise the Enviro is a beast! It just looks like the future. Whereas the B5 looks like a glorified Gemini.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
Quote from: Peter123 on April 14, 2013, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
One question BCDriver. If you notice screws missing do you put it on your VCR? If you put a fault on your VCR then the Engineers know about it and are obliged to fix it. As an Inspector one of my jobs is to have a look at VCRs to make sure it has been filled in correctly (not to check for faults and see if they are on there) I have never seen screw missing on a VCR and it is amazing how many times I have had to tell a driver to put an obvious fault on a VCR (side or rear destination displays not working are the most common)
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We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
One question BCDriver. If you notice screws missing do you put it on your VCR? If you put a fault on your VCR then the Engineers know about it and are obliged to fix it. As an Inspector one of my jobs is to have a look at VCRs to make sure it has been filled in correctly (not to check for faults and see if they are on there) I have never seen screw missing on a VCR and it is amazing how many times I have had to tell a driver to put an obvious fault on a VCR (side or rear destination displays not working are the most common)
I used to, but all you get back is Fit For Service. But if it affects me directly I put it down but if a switch is loose or what ever I don't bother as it never gets fixed.
I didn't think revenue did such stuff, Tony?
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
One question BCDriver. If you notice screws missing do you put it on your VCR? If you put a fault on your VCR then the Engineers know about it and are obliged to fix it. As an Inspector one of my jobs is to have a look at VCRs to make sure it has been filled in correctly (not to check for faults and see if they are on there) I have never seen screw missing on a VCR and it is amazing how many times I have had to tell a driver to put an obvious fault on a VCR (side or rear destination displays not working are the most common)
I used to, but all you get back is Fit For Service. But if it affects me directly I put it down but if a switch is loose or what ever I don't bother as it never gets fixed.
I didn't think revenue did such stuff, Tony?
I've taken over buses where on the VCR the driver has put that the bus hasn't been cleaned or ramp screw sticking up. Minor things, but at the end of the day if it's on the VCR and something happens, you're covered
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We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
One question BCDriver. If you notice screws missing do you put it on your VCR? If you put a fault on your VCR then the Engineers know about it and are obliged to fix it. As an Inspector one of my jobs is to have a look at VCRs to make sure it has been filled in correctly (not to check for faults and see if they are on there) I have never seen screw missing on a VCR and it is amazing how many times I have had to tell a driver to put an obvious fault on a VCR (side or rear destination displays not working are the most common)
I used to, but all you get back is Fit For Service. But if it affects me directly I put it down but if a switch is loose or what ever I don't bother as it never gets fixed.
I didn't think revenue did such stuff, Tony?
I've taken over buses where on the VCR the driver has put that the bus hasn't been cleaned or ramp screw sticking up. Minor things, but at the end of the day if it's on the VCR and something happens, you're covered
That's true but who spots these things at 3 in the morning, usually noticed in service.
Makes me laugh when were told to put down old panel damage. Why? I always do but why?
Had a Hybrid and it was clearly involved in some sort of minor collision with a busted marker light and slightly misaligned rear quarter panel. Guess what? FFS. Why? Cause its still safe and night staff will change it. Apparently.
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We can always hope I suppose but I guess they all turn out the same. Unless they get a facelift then stuff changes. (Like the Mk2 Metrobus and Mk2A. The Mk2A idles much smoother. Diff gearbox? Or the difference between Dennis & Transbus Tridents..)
Something you should note is that piece of glass at the front nearside between the doors and that first seat comes out far too easily. Had 2 pop out on me on Weoley Castle Square on the X64. They're only held in by 3 or 4 loosely fitted brackets. Poor design in my opinion.
I noticed this on some of the eclipses-it does seem a poor design yet diamond's ones which are 5 years old now and have the same fixings dont seem to have broken for some reason
That's odd. The only thing I can think of is their mechanics go over each nut getting them tight again on a regular basis. Maybe NXWM don't do that? Or just a crap batch.
The other thing that BC let happen is the screws fall out the bus stopping sign so it ends up looking like the cover might fall off-mind you one of diamond's ones has got filler in one of the interior panels above the drivers cab which just looks plain shoddy.
Haha yeah screws don't get replaced!! If you ever sit in the cab of our buses, you'll be shocked to see the pathetic excuse for a patch up job going. Even after a refurb they change the cab seat but don't replace the missing parts from the dash. Even had a wayfarer fall apart. Good job I was relieving anyway. Black putty is a fitters only tool by the looks of it. ::)
One question BCDriver. If you notice screws missing do you put it on your VCR? If you put a fault on your VCR then the Engineers know about it and are obliged to fix it. As an Inspector one of my jobs is to have a look at VCRs to make sure it has been filled in correctly (not to check for faults and see if they are on there) I have never seen screw missing on a VCR and it is amazing how many times I have had to tell a driver to put an obvious fault on a VCR (side or rear destination displays not working are the most common)
I used to, but all you get back is Fit For Service. But if it affects me directly I put it down but if a switch is loose or what ever I don't bother as it never gets fixed.
I didn't think revenue did such stuff, Tony?
I've taken over buses where on the VCR the driver has put that the bus hasn't been cleaned or ramp screw sticking up. Minor things, but at the end of the day if it's on the VCR and something happens, you're covered
That's true but who spots these things at 3 in the morning, usually noticed in service.
Makes me laugh when were told to put down old panel damage. Why? I always do but why?
Had a Hybrid and it was clearly involved in some sort of minor collision with a busted marker light and slightly misaligned rear quarter panel. Guess what? FFS. Why? Cause its still safe and night staff will change it. Apparently.
There is a very good reason why you should put that on. The next driver does and you don't - who is going to get the blame?
That's true but if its old... like I said I always put it on the VCR anyway so no harm done. Do you still do some driving then Tony?
The defect card is obviously a good thing and when I start in the depot you can safely do a full walk round check. However, when you take over a vehicle in service it is often not safe to do the full check, even in a bus station etc so you are relying on the previous driver/s to be accurate. I know of incidents where a vehicle has suffered minor damage that wasn't reported and the next driver didn't/couldn't check the bus and ended up being pulled up on it. Also, things like bulbs can be fine in the depot on the walk round and then fail in service without the driver knowing and so wouldn't be on the card.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 14, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
That's true but if its old... like I said I always put it on the VCR anyway so no harm done. Do you still do some driving then Tony?
Occasionally. I will hopefully be adding yet another garage to the list I have worked from next week. Last driving I did was part of an Outer Circle two weeks ago because I revenue checked the vehicle outside Acocks Green garage to find the relieving driver was unavailable to drive due to not having his full 30min break.
I will also hopefully get myself type trained on E200s next week. It is currently the only vehicle type in the fleet I shouldn't drive because I have not signed as type trained on. I don't know of any other employee who has the full set, it is not easy to do!
I will hopefully get type trained on Volvo B12s and Scania K340s next week
Apart from the E200, have you driven every bus type going back to WMT and WMPTE days, since you started with them? If not, any you wished you had and Your personal favourite?
Quote from: Gareth on April 14, 2013, 10:29:35 PM
Apart from the E200, have you driven every bus type going back to WMT and WMPTE days, since you started with them? If not, any you wished you had and Your personal favourite?
I have not driven a TWM dart in service (although I have driven an Arriva one!) and have yet to drive either of the hybrids in service, although I have driven the B5LH on the road. I never drove either a DMS or one of the Titans (7001-5) of the older vehicles, or any of the more recent scanias (1398-400), I think I drove everything else from the NOB-M fleetlines and newer.
Citaro Bendis are superb vehicles, Metrobuses were years ahead of their time when new, but were overtaken by more modern vehicles way before they finished being used, the other buses I always found a pleasure to drive were the the B10L/Ultras.
Favourite vehicle of all time? - currently owned by Tamworth Coach & Bus - E906TOJ
Worst vehicles? - I could never get on with JVJ 511Y absolutely rubbish brakes and a nightmare of a gearbox really difficult to find 3rd. Worst bus, probably the B10B, you never knew how hard to touch the brakes, some would stop if you blew on the pedal, others actually needed to be pressed.
Favourite current buses are all B7s, The President could do with a bit more early acceleration, but the body is superb with virtually no blind spots. The Gemini body is so well built, far better than the Enviro 400s. The 997 Enviros had more rattles after 3 weeks than the geminis they replaced after 3 years!
What do you think of the mercs 0405N to me they must have seemed well ahead of there time 15 years ago in terms of acceleration, speed and there ability to tackle steep gradients and looks although I have heard people complain about their large steering wheels as one of their negative points.
Quote from: Tony on April 14, 2013, 10:43:50 PM
Favourite current buses are all B7s, The President could do with a bit more early acceleration, but the body is superb with virtually no blind spots. The Gemini body is so well built, far better than the Enviro 400s. The 997 Enviros had more rattles after 3 weeks than the geminis they replaced after 3 years!
Blimey! I won't argue with you, but the B7 has always been generally my least favourite vehicle. The 53 plate Geminis seem much slower than the Tridents of the same age, and make a lot of noise. I am warming to the newer B7 Geminis though.
The ALX400s are even slower, again slower than the Tridents of equivalent age, however I do like the whine they make.
Presidents are a mixed bag in my experience, some seem woefully slow, whereas one or two absolutely fly. I suppose when a batch of vehicles gets that old, differences between individual examples get larger.
I cannot stand the older B7RLE, the ones at WA at least are the most boring things I've been on, nothing notable happens other than the odd low moan. I do prefer the newer B7RLE, seems a little faster and I don't know why but I like the sound it makes.
The way I see it though, almost anything Dennis/ADL has made in the last 10 years or so has been simply better than the Volvo equivalent, even up to today with the Hybrids. I love the older Volvo decker B10's/Citybuses and Olympians from the late 80s/90s, and am also a fan of the B6LE, but from there onwards, Volvo just became...well, boring.
Any ALX bodied vehicle is brilliant in my opinion, they all have great sounding engines. The Geminis are really starting to grow on me, they operate on about half of my local routes, definitely prefer the 53/54 examples
Quote from: Shaun on April 14, 2013, 11:35:12 PM
Any ALX bodied vehicle is brilliant in my opinion, they all have great sounding engines. The Geminis are really starting to grow on me, they operate on about half of my local routes, definitely prefer the 53/54 examples
I must say the 54 plate ones feel a lot faster and smoother than the 53 plates, the 54s are starting to grow on me
There were 3 spectras (4005,4011,4012) a trident and a merc on the 1 today.
5415-21 still not in service yet. 5410-14 all out today.
4011 was on 59's between 12 and 4
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 15, 2013, 04:05:43 PM
5415-21 still not in service yet. 5410-14 all out today.
5416 has been out in service, as 4006 reported it 12/4/13
Quote from: mranon on April 15, 2013, 08:32:13 PM
4011 was on 59's between 12 and 4
Thanks :) With Me living near the 59 you would of thought i would of spotted it ;)
5410 broke down again, as well as 5411 (I think) both needed a tow, both with coolant light on in cab. It was 5410s first day back in service after its first breakdown, ironic thing is Volvos are already proving to be more reliable!
Quote from: Driver03 on April 16, 2013, 12:26:37 AM
5410 broke down again, as well as 5411 (I think) both needed a tow, both with coolant light on in cab. It was 5410s first day back in service after its first breakdown, ironic thing is Volvos are already proving to be more reliable!
I believe Stagecoach Yorkshire are also having problems with their latest batch for the 120 in Sheffield, such that Manchester are loaning Diesel E400's to cover the Hybrids going back to ADL for modifications
Quote from: Winston on April 16, 2013, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on April 16, 2013, 12:26:37 AM
5410 broke down again, as well as 5411 (I think) both needed a tow, both with coolant light on in cab. It was 5410s first day back in service after its first breakdown, ironic thing is Volvos are already proving to be more reliable!
I believe Stagecoach Yorkshire are also having problems with their latest batch for the 120 in Sheffield, such that Manchester are loaning Diesel E400's to cover the Hybrids going back to ADL for modifications
I wonder if its a faulty part, usually ADL are quite good engine wise etc?
Quote from: Driver03 on April 16, 2013, 12:26:37 AM
5410 broke down again, as well as 5411 (I think) both needed a tow, both with coolant light on in cab. It was 5410s first day back in service after its first breakdown, ironic thing is Volvos are already proving to be more reliable!
Another reason to vote Volvo! Its hybrid system just seems simpler to me, something added on opposed to an integral part of the engine and transmission like the Enviro
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Quote from: 4006 on April 17, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Well WN garage have arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday so i will get to see the other E400H in the garage.
Will 5415 be branded?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 17, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 17, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Well WN garage have arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday so i will get to see the other E400H in the garage.
Will 5415 be branded?
Don't know but it aint at the mo!!
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 17, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 17, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Well WN garage have arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday so i will get to see the other E400H in the garage.
Will 5415 be branded?
Don't know but it aint at the mo!!
Aren't 5410 - 5419 getting 1 branding, with 5420 and 5421 going without 1 branding?
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Quote from: 4006 on April 17, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Well WN garage have arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday so i will get to see the other E400H in the garage.
Will 5415 be branded?
Don't know but it aint at the mo!!
Aren't 5410 - 5419 getting 1 branding, with 5420 and 5421 going without 1 branding?
Think lately, plans change every day, so who knows.
Personally think the 1 branding is really nice and as many vehicles should have it as possible.
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Quote from: 4006 on April 17, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
I've been told the E400's still not in service have not had scanners/ticket machines fitted etc yet. There are a few parked up down the bottom of the yard. 5415 has not been branded/has no leaves or nothing on it and hasn't even got a fleet number on it so for those who 'have not seen it yet' that's probably why!!
Well WN garage have arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday so i will get to see the other E400H in the garage.
Will 5415 be branded?
Don't know but it aint at the mo!!
Aren't 5410 - 5419 getting 1 branding, with 5420 and 5421 going without 1 branding?
Think lately, plans change every day, so who knows.
Personally think the 1 branding is really nice and as many vehicles should have it as possible.
Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not one for route branding and if I was in charge of it I wouldn't route brand any vehicles at all. It only causes confusion when they get placed on the wrong route (e.g when 6-branded 2077 was on the 5 last Sunday, the 5 and 6 stands are next to each other in Wolverhampton Bus Station!)
I definetly saw a photo of 5419 with branding!
5418/9/20 are definately branded!!!
Quote from: 4006 on April 18, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
5418/9/20 are definately branded!!!
Must be 5415 and 5421 unbranded as i heard 2 were going to be unbranded
on my travels today, saw 5410/12/13/14, didn't see any of the other Enviros
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 18, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
on my travels today, saw 5410/12/13/14, didn't see any of the other Enviros
5411 also out. Caught it to Tettenhall Wood on the 1 this afternoon
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 18, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 18, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
5418/9/20 are definately branded!!!
Must be 5415 and 5421 unbranded as i heard 2 were going to be unbranded
All 5410-5421 are branded.
Quote from: BN on April 18, 2013, 07:12:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 18, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 18, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
5418/9/20 are definately branded!!!
Must be 5415 and 5421 unbranded as i heard 2 were going to be unbranded
All 5410-5421 are branded.
Oh, Ok! Thanks for the info :) So i guess only B5's will appear on the 59
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 17, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
... arranged a visit for me to look around the garage (With my mom for safety reason) on saturday ...
Cute.
I wish I was a kid again. :(
Its no good getting old.
Cute? ;D
5511 on the 59 today.
5511/3/14 all on the 59 today!
there's at least 1 E400H out without front fleet numbers
5415/6?/7/9?/21 are out today. 5418/20 in WN garage still
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on April 20, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
there's at least 1 E400H out without front fleet numbers
5415 didn't have fleet numbers the other day or branding. I haven't seen it out yet!
5415 went out today. While on my tour of WN garage 5418 and 20 were parked up. I had a ride of 5418 round the garage.
5513 has been on 3 routes now! The 1/59 and 529!
Typical.
My job relocates, & I miss catching these on the 529!
Quote from: Westy on April 20, 2013, 11:40:47 PM
Typical.
My job relocates, & I miss catching these on the 529!
It was only once and only did a couple of journeys. I caught 5513 in the same day on the 1 aswell then i spotted it pulling into Wolverhampton Bus Station before it went out of service
5511 on the 59
I hope that next year, with Coventry's hybrids, they also buy just a few more for BC and WN to convert the 24 and 59 to hybrid fully.
5420 was out on the 1 at lunchtime.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 22, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
5420 was out on the 1 at lunchtime.
Apparently 5419 and 5415 also were
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on April 22, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
I hope that next year, with Coventry's hybrids, they also buy just a few more for BC and WN to convert the 24 and 59 to hybrid fully.
Coventry aren't getting hybrids are they?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 22, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on April 22, 2013, 04:36:37 PM
I hope that next year, with Coventry's hybrids, they also buy just a few more for BC and WN to convert the 24 and 59 to hybrid fully.
Coventry aren't getting hybrids are they?
They might be in the 2014 order, sure I've read in another thread.
Quote from: John on April 22, 2013, 06:20:22 PM
They might be in the 2014 order, sure I've read in another thread.
It was suggested that NXC had put in a bid as part of the Green bus fund round 4, results for which operators have been successful in securing funding should be announced within the next month or so I believe. Deliveries of those Hybrids will be during 2014
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
Will keep looking.
I think all hybrids are now out so i will keep my eye out for you.
Wish i was an adult and worked for NX so i could of told you straight away.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
I would contest the women and young people parts as I don't feel like I want or need a partner
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Quote from: 4006 on April 23, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
I would contest the women and young people parts as I don't feel like I want or need a partner
FFS, this modern age. "Partner".. she's your missus, not "partner", your not going into business.
And give it a year.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
I would contest the women and young people parts as I don't feel like I want or need a partner
FFS, this modern age. "Partner".. she's your missus, not "partner", your not going into business.
And give it a year.
Trust me I'm best off alone
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
I would contest the women and young people parts as I don't feel like I want or need a partner
FFS, this modern age. "Partner".. she's your missus, not "partner", your not going into business.
And give it a year.
Trust me I'm best off alone
I think we've gone off topic again, but everyone needs a missus. Who will get the nightly rants once you've finishes work? An internet forum?! Oh.. actually...
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 23, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 23, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 23, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 05:04:33 PM,.......
Wish i was an adult,.........
Trust me, you don't.
Work, bills, women, pensions, young people!!!
Stay young as long as you can..all the above will come!!
I would contest the women and young people parts as I don't feel like I want or need a partner
FFS, this modern age. "Partner".. she's your missus, not "partner", your not going into business.
And give it a year.
Trust me I'm best off alone
I think we've gone off topic again, but everyone needs a missus. Who will get the nightly rants once you've finishes work? An internet forum?! Oh.. actually...
What are you trying to say? ;) haha, message me mate :)
Look what i've started ;D I agree i would like to stay young.
Instead be better if i could drive a bus now ;D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Look what i've started ;D I agree i would like to stay young.
Instead be better if i could drive a bus now ;D
I'm sure I could learn to drive a bus if I started training now, shame as I probably won't drive one for another 5-10 years!
Back on topic, No Hybrids in use on the 59 today so there must of been a few hybrids in the garage today.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
5416 out today. Might have been its first day out it was immaculate.
Quote from: settlerman on April 24, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
5416 out today. Might have been its first day out it was immaculate.
Doesn't stay that way, unfortunately.
It takes about 6 hours for the wheels to become perminately dirty.
Did you snap a photo?
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 24, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
5416 out today. Might have been its first day out it was immaculate.
Doesn't stay that way, unfortunately.
It takes about 6 hours for the wheels to become perminately dirty.
Did you snap a photo?
Sorry!
4810 all the way! I agree with you, BC mobile the best PE enviro
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 03:35:17 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 24, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 23, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: settlerman on April 23, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Has 5416 ventured out yet. Have travelled on all of them except 5416.
I think it may have. I'm not sure if i saw it in the garage when i went there on saturday
5416 out today. Might have been its first day out it was immaculate.
Doesn't stay that way, unfortunately.
It takes about 6 hours for the wheels to become perminately dirty.
Did you snap a photo?
Sorry!
You find thats trident 4610
5510 and 5512 on the 59 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 24, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
You find thats trident 4610
Whoops! The internet on my kindle is hard to deciper
Quote from: dgss1 on April 24, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 24, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
You find thats trident 4610
Whoops! The internet on my kindle is hard to deciper
Twas waiting for the correction lol ;)
But saying that, either one. An Enviro would be a nice change. Be better when they remove the door pedal to save your poor left leg from being bent right up under the seat or stretched out in front of the bus, lol.
4810 sounds rough to me. 4807, 4825 and 4829 are all good ones but of course, the best one is 4813 ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
4810 sounds rough to me. 4807, 4825 and 4829 are all good ones but of course, the best one is 4813 ;)
On the Enviro subject 4822 was belching black exhaust smoke at lunch time climbing up to Colmore Row so something wasn't quite right as it would have had plenty of time to warm up
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on April 24, 2013, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 24, 2013, 05:18:24 PM
4810 sounds rough to me. 4807, 4825 and 4829 are all good ones but of course, the best one is 4813 ;)
On the Enviro subject 4822 was belching black exhaust smoke at lunch time climbing up to Colmore Row so something wasn't quite right as it would have had plenty of time to warm up
Something must be wrong as the climb to Colmore Row is hardly steep.
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 04:11:49 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on April 24, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 24, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
You find thats trident 4610
Whoops! The internet on my kindle is hard to deciper
Twas waiting for the correction lol ;)
But saying that, either one. An Enviro would be a nice change. Be better when they remove the door pedal to save your poor left leg from being bent right up under the seat or stretched out in front of the bus, lol.
My left hamstring always hurts, apart from that I still prefer the enviro
On 4822 currently and its not at all happy, constant low pressure alarm, as soon as driver revs it to get pressure, touch brakes and it goes again, the interior is looking worn out and as soon as it goes past about 3rd 4th gear it starts changing back down again, I've changed my mind on the PE Enviro refurbs! Some definitely did need doing
5514 Volvo on the 59 today.
5513 and 5414 on the 59 today. On two concecutive running boards with 5514 in front and 5513 straight behind. I just caught both of them on the 59
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
5513 and 5414 on the 59 today. On two concecutive running boards with 5514 in front and 5513 straight behind. I just caught both of them on the 59
5418 was the only Enviro not out all day on the 1 today
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2013, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 25, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
5513 and 5414 on the 59 today. On two concecutive running boards with 5514 in front and 5513 straight behind. I just caught both of them on the 59
5418 was the only Enviro not out all day on the 1 today
On the peak running board?
Yes it would be the peak running board more than likley.
Couple of questions on the Wolverhampton hybrids, as I've not seen these in the flesh:
Are they in the cargo white, as per the E200s or is it the same plain white as the BC hybrids?
Is the audio visual stop announcement technology in use yet? It was months before the BC ones started using this.
If cargo white is the creamish looking one then yes & audio/visual next stop announcements not yet working.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on April 26, 2013, 09:54:15 AM
If cargo white is the creamish looking one then yes & audio/visual next stop announcements not yet working.
Gets annoying after a while. Although it does help you remember your stages.
The nest stop will be Broad Street Sheepcote Street. Broad Street Sheepcote Street.
And another irritating one, although I'm not sure why; The next stop will be Harborne, The Green Man. The Green Man.
And randomly;;
Coolant okayyyy... doors open?
5510 and 5512 on the 59 today
Quote from: BCMobile on April 26, 2013, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on April 26, 2013, 09:54:15 AM
If cargo white is the creamish looking one then yes & audio/visual next stop announcements not yet working.
Gets annoying after a while. Although it does help you remember your stages.
The nest stop will be Broad Street Sheepcote Street. Broad Street Sheepcote Street.
And another irritating one, although I'm not sure why; The next stop will be Harborne, The Green Man. The Green Man.
And randomly;;
Coolant okayyyy... doors open?
"Harborne: The Junction"...
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 26, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Wasn't that the one which broke down on its first day in service?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 26, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 26, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Wasn't that the one which broke down on its first day in service?
5410 broke down on the 12th and 16th of April, seems to have problems.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 26, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 26, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 26, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Wasn't that the one which broke down on its first day in service?
5410 broke down on the 12th and 16th of April, seems to have problems.
5411 is also reported as having failed recently. These WN E400Hs are a crock of ****
;) ;)
Quote from: Mike K on April 26, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 26, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 26, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 26, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Wasn't that the one which broke down on its first day in service?
5410 broke down on the 12th and 16th of April, seems to have problems.
5411 is also reported as having failed recently. These WN E400Hs are a crock of ****
;) ;)
Wonder whose paying all the tow truck charges?
Quote from: Mike K on April 26, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 26, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 26, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 26, 2013, 07:46:16 PM
5410 failed in Dudley this morning.
Wasn't that the one which broke down on its first day in service?
5410 broke down on the 12th and 16th of April, seems to have problems.
5411 is also reported as having failed recently. These WN E400Hs are a crock of ****
;) ;)
Stagecoach Yorkshire are having problems with their latest batch such that they are being returned to ADL for mods
5510,5511 and 5513 all on WN 59 today in a row on 3 consecutive running boards.
5510 and 5513 on the 59 today.
5510 was on the 59 yesterday and stayed out till late night with 5514 appearing in the evening
5514 made it from Wolverhampton to Dudley in 20 minutes today!
5516 now talking with a female voice
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Isn't that the first weekday without Hybrids since they first came on regularly?
Also I wonder if that means there's one or two on another route...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 03, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Isn't that the first weekday without Hybrids since they first came on regularly?
Also I wonder if that means there's one or two on another route...
There wasn't any Tuesday before last as well. They are probably on the 1 and thats why there are non on the 59.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:43:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 03, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Isn't that the first weekday without Hybrids since they first came on regularly?
Also I wonder if that means there's one or two on another route...
There wasn't any Tuesday before last as well. They are probably on the 1 and thats why there are non on the 59.
And the rest in the garage?
Probably. Either a Unbranded B5 or Route 1 branded hybrid probably have a defect.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:59:06 PM
Probably. Either a Unbranded B5 or Route 1 branded hybrid probably have a defect.
Either a branded one or a non-branded one? Really helps.
(Don't take it seriously mate)
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on May 03, 2013, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:59:06 PM
Probably. Either a Unbranded B5 or Route 1 branded hybrid probably have a defect.
Either a branded one or a non-branded one? Really helps.
(Don't take it seriously mate)
Don't worry i didn't take it seriously. I meant either there is a defect with a unbranded B5 (5510-14) so thats why they are not on the 59.
Or a branded B5 (5515/18) or a E400H is in the garage so the extra unbranded B5's have to cover on the 1.
It happened yesterday. There was an extra unbranded B5 on the 1 resulting in only 5510 being on the 59 (Which then went onto the 79!)
Probably 5410 knackered again, that seems to spend as much time off the road as on it.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 03, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 03, 2013, 11:04:51 AM
5516 now talking with a female voice
Anybody "famous"?
Not sure if she's famous but she has a slight black country accent
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Typical!! A day when I'm in Wolverhampton as well! >:(
Quote from: John on May 03, 2013, 07:08:33 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
There are no hybrids on the 59 today.
Typical!! A day when I'm in Wolverhampton as well! >:(
Best day to see hybrids on the 59 is Saturdays when there are around 2/3 hybrids on there
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 07:17:25 PM
Best day to see hybrids on the 59 is Saturdays when there are around 2/3 hybrids on there
Cheers for that. But I am unusually working a Saturday tomorow so went out today instead
Quote from: John on May 03, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 07:17:25 PM
Best day to see hybrids on the 59 is Saturdays when there are around 2/3 hybrids on there
Cheers for that. But I am unusually working a Saturday tomorow so went out today instead
Oh ok.I will take a photo for you and put it on flickr. i have a few more photos to upload
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: John on May 03, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 07:17:25 PM
Best day to see hybrids on the 59 is Saturdays when there are around 2/3 hybrids on there
Cheers for that. But I am unusually working a Saturday tomorow so went out today instead
Oh ok.I will take a photo for you and put it on flickr. i have a few more photos to upload
Nath what's your Flickr link?
He can't post links but his username is the same as on here.
Try searching for bx13 jnk and clicking most recent photos
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 03, 2013, 07:43:39 PM
He can't post links but his username is the same as on here.
Try searching for bx13 jnk and clicking most recent photos
Cheers for that!!
I will upload more photos tonight. I will add you as a contact 4006
Atleast 2 E400H's have National Express - West Midlands scrolling across the upstairs next stop visual equiptment.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 03, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
Atleast 2 E400H's have National Express - West Midlands scrolling across the upstairs next stop visual equiptment.
Looks as if they are about to install the Next Stop.Announcements.
How long did it take for BC's Hybrids to have Next Stop Annoncements fitted? Or were they already fitted with The announcements.
5513 is also talking. Woman with a mild black country accent. I thought Phil Upton on the BC Hybrids was annoying... I heard many "shut up"s and other colourful variations.
She also seemed to be rather indecisive, as she sometimes got halfway through announcing the next stop, then suddenly stopped and changed her mind, and started announcing a different stop!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
How long did it take for BC's Hybrids to have Next Stop Annoncements fitted? Or were they already fitted with The announcements.
It was about 4 or 5 months after they entered service before it became operational. That might be why there have been no Hybrids on the 59. When the BC ones had their audio visual stop announcements enabled there were 2 or 3 days when a number of them were out of service and a lot of Tridents appeared on the 22/23.
Quote from: Mike K on May 04, 2013, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 03, 2013, 11:13:47 PM
How long did it take for BC's Hybrids to have Next Stop Annoncements fitted? Or were they already fitted with The announcements.
It was about 4 or 5 months after they entered service before it became operational. That might be why there have been no Hybrids on the 59. When the BC ones had their audio visual stop announcements enabled there were 2 or 3 days when a number of them were out of service and a lot of Tridents appeared on the 22/23.
Oh of course I didn't think of that. There might not be many hybrids on the 59 tomorrow if they're being fitted with the talking woman. Might even see a trident appear on the 1
Is the 59 fully hybrid on Sundays then?
Quote from: Shaun on May 04, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
Is the 59 fully hybrid on Sundays then?
No, it's zero hybrid
Quote from: Shaun on May 04, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
Is the 59 fully hybrid on Sundays then?
Shaun, unforunatley There is no hybrids on the 59 on Sundays.
There are 6 buses needed at a 9 minute frequency on sunday.
But they are all Tridents usually.
WN usually like to have the same allocation to routes on Sundays like 59,32/33/79 (Interwork) ,529 and 126 trident. 2,3,4,5/25/27 (Interwork), 6,10,11,255,256 B7RLE, Route 1 Hybrids and A singular B6 on the 62.
I notice the talking woman seems to have some trouble around the junction with Parkfield Road
She also won't say "The Fighting Cocks"
5510 & 5512 on the 59 today travelled on 5510 to bentley bridge.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
5510 & 5512 on the 59 today travelled on 5510 to bentley bridge.
I've also seen at least 1 branded number 1 Volvo on there too, looks like its being hybrid operated today maybe. I'm not at work so can't check :(
Quote from: Driver03 on May 05, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
5510 & 5512 on the 59 today travelled on 5510 to bentley bridge.
I've also seen at least 1 branded number 1 Volvo on there too, looks like its being hybrid operated today maybe. I'm not at work so can't check :(
Yeah it's 5515. 5510/12/14/15 are on the 59 today along with 4541 and 4546. First Hybrids on a Sunday and the most hybrids in one day
There is 2 tridents 4546 and 4541, with Hybrids 5510,12,14 and Route 1 branded 5515 all on the 59 today.
6 Buses needed on the 59 sundays and its 2 tridents and 4 B5's
Won't be long before a E400H will appear on the 59 now!
I think it will be mainly hybrids on the 59 on Sundays with only 1-2 tridents.
Quote from: Driver03 on May 05, 2013, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:52:59 AM
5510 & 5512 on the 59 today travelled on 5510 to bentley bridge.
I've also seen at least 1 branded number 1 Volvo on there too, looks like its being hybrid operated today maybe. I'm not at work so can't check :(
First ever Sunday for Hybrids on the 59. It was Fully Trident operated last week
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 05, 2013, 09:21:28 AM
I notice the talking woman seems to have some trouble around the junction with Parkfield Road
She also won't say "The Fighting Cocks"
HA! Superb, just in case it offends someone?
Appears that 5510 has gained some decoration, an empty vodka bottle wedged down the side of one of the back seats, 2 empty cans of carling and the back of a seat with two patches of melted plastic.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 06:04:05 PM
Appears that 5510 has gained some decoration, an empty vodka bottle wedged down the side of one of the back seats, 2 empty cans of carling and the back of a seat with two patches of melted plastic.
Well thats what happens when you put it on the 59 ;) 5510 has been on the 59 Mon-Thurs and today.
5515 needs a good wash inside too, coke all over the floor and salt or sugar all over the front window.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
5515 needs a good wash inside too, coke all over the floor and salt or sugar all over the front window.
Yes me and matt wondered what that white grain stuff was on the front window.
Don't know why they put a branded B5 on today though.
The 59 is fully hybrid this evening. The two tridents in today have gone out of service.
4588 replaced 4546 today. Didn't see it change but 4588 appeared on the 59 and 4546 was then nowhere to be seen.
So 5510/12/14/15 operating the 59 this evening.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 05, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
The 59 is fully hybrid this evening. The two tridents in today have gone out of service.
4588 replaced 4546 today. Didn't see it change but 4588 appeared on the 59 and 4546 was then nowhere to be seen.
So 5510/12/14/15 operating the 59 this evening.
Actually the 59 isn't fully hybrid this evening as 4588 came the other way when I was going through Heath Town on 5515 after I left you
Oh ok thanks matt :) Did 5514 or 5510 go out of service then as 5512 and 5515 are scheduled out all evening so are probably still on there.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 05, 2013, 10:25:56 PM
Oh ok thanks matt :) Did 5514 or 5510 go out of service then as 5512 and 5515 are scheduled out all evening so are probably still on there.
I think 5514 but not sure
Can't remember which one it was but iit got changed when I was in the station at around 6:45
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:28:42 PM
Can't remember which one it was but iit got changed when I was in the station at around 6:45
Changed to what? It was still out at 18:30.
4588 went out of service at 18:35 but is apparantly still out. Swapped with a hybrid probably
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 05, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:28:42 PM
Can't remember which one it was but iit got changed when I was in the station at around 6:45
Changed to what? It was still out at 18:30.
An engineer brought a trident to the station and took the hybrid out down pipers row & up lichfield out of service.
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:44:10 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 05, 2013, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 05, 2013, 10:28:42 PM
Can't remember which one it was but iit got changed when I was in the station at around 6:45
Changed to what? It was still out at 18:30.
An engineer brought a trident to the station and took the hybrid out down pipers row & up lichfield out of service.
That would be 4588 swapping back into service with 5510 or 5514 then
From what i've seen on the 59. There are 2 hybrids Mon-Fri, 3 Sat and 4 Sunday.
Route 1 branded 5515 on the 59 again today
1-branded E400H 5413 on the 59 today (along with 5515). Beat you to this one Nath ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 06, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
1-branded E400H 5413 on the 59 today (along with 5515). Beat you to this one Nath ;D
You find i beat you to it ;D ;D ;D Posted it in UW May and Route branded buses off route
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 06, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 06, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
1-branded E400H 5413 on the 59 today (along with 5515). Beat you to this one Nath ;D
You find i beat you to it ;D ;D ;D Posted it in UW May and Route branded buses off route
I meant to this thread.
5510 has been entered to appear at this years Showbus
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 06, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
5510 has been entered to appear at this years Showbus
I got told on my garage visit that it would be 5515!
Well the showbus website says 10 but maybe that's an error on their part I was simply posting what I thought was useful info
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 06, 2013, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on May 06, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
5510 has been entered to appear at this years Showbus
I got told on my garage visit that it would be 5515!
Its 5510
Thanks BN
Thanks BN and Ashley :) I was either told the wrong info or i heard it wrong.
I thought it would've made more sense to use 5515 because of its striking route branding and the fact that it was the bus they used on the exhibition day before they entered service
I dont think thats too important whether its branded or unbranded, I think simply having a vehicle representing NXWm vehicle investment is good enough
5514, Yesterday afternoon. Whilst stepping on, the driver managed to close the door on me, trapping my leg. I was still outside, & try as I might, could not remove my foot (after prising my leg free) the driver could not open the door without getting out of the cab & pressing the button above the door. I wasn't hurt, but what was the driver playing at? & can"t the doors be reopened if they haven't closed properly?
No hybrids on the 59 today
0 hybrids on the 1
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on May 12, 2013, 11:29:08 AM
0 hybrids on the 1
You kidding? What's going on?
No hybrids on the 59 either. 4535 is on the 1 and 2027 is on the 59!
I think ADL have called the hybids back, like in Stagecoach yorkshire
Quote from: dgss1 on May 12, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
I think ADL have called the hybids back, like in Stagecoach yorkshire
I can't remember if it's already been said, but why would they do this?
Quote from: dgss1 on May 12, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
I think ADL have called the hybids back, like in Stagecoach yorkshire
Any further news on this? If true it will mean a lot of unusual workings out of WN tomorrow with 12 buses missing!
What about the 9 Volvos?
But that doesn't explain why the B5's are missing though!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 01:54:39 PM
What about the 9 Volvos?
Why would ADL need to recall the Volvo's?
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 02:52:10 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 01:54:39 PM
What about the 9 Volvos?
Why would ADL need to recall the Volvo's?
Exactly, so where have they gone? All hybrids have disappeared not just the Enviro400s
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 01:44:17 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on May 12, 2013, 01:42:36 PM
I think ADL have called the hybids back, like in Stagecoach yorkshire
I can't remember if it's already been said, but why would they do this?
The Stagecoach Yorkshire ones are being recalled to ADL to have modifications due to unreliability problems & numerous breakdowns, not totally sure what is being modified, but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge, and hence the bus shuts down to protect the electrical system.
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge
Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?
So basically, the E400H is too good
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 09:11:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
Back to my question earlier on the forum, Could anybody tell me why there were no hybrids on the 1 or 59 today?
Quote from: 4006 on May 12, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 09:11:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
Quote from: Kevin on May 12, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge
Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?
Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Kevin on May 12, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge
Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?
Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly
No particular expert on buses but when I was in Sheffield over Easter I took the opportunity to travel on on of the E400H (on the 43? seems familiar as a number) and the bus seemed to cope fine, and by christ that was a hilly route
Quote from: Kevin on May 12, 2013, 10:08:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Kevin on May 12, 2013, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2013, 02:55:38 PM
but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge
Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?
Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly
No particular expert on buses but when I was in Sheffield over Easter I took the opportunity to travel on on of the E400H (on the 43? seems familiar as a number) and the bus seemed to cope fine, and by christ that was a hilly route
I think this particular batch are on the Stagecoach 120 in Sheffield-Halfway, I was thinking more along the lines of that the brakes need to work harder to stop a bus coming down hill and will therefore generate more energy to put back in the batteries than on a flat road (the regenerative bit)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
Quote from: 4006 on May 12, 2013, 09:19:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 09:11:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 12, 2013, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)
Just cause you 'think' you are right doesn't mean you are, that's just what you think! and as you have driven neither your opinion is null & void. I doubt any driver even the most experienced can compare as they will not have driven both types regulary. Maybe its all in your imagination and
you should get some sleep!
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)
Just cause you 'think' you are right doesn't mean you are, that's just what you think! and as you have driven neither your opinion is null & void. I doubt any driver even the most experienced can compare as they will not have driven both types regulary. Maybe its all in your imagination and you should get some sleep!
Don't be so mardy, I'm not "imagining" anything, I doubt you've even ridden the BC ones much, please don't try and argue with me. I thought you "gave up"? Would appreciate it if you could leave it now before we break the record for the largest quote pyramid
Please can we not turn this into a flame war. Both opinions are valid and both should respect each others feelings. We are all on this forum for one reason and that is an interest in buses and transport, not to be arguing.
Just my two pence worth.
Quote from: Driver03 on May 12, 2013, 11:15:36 PM
Please can we not turn this into a flame war. Both opinions are valid and both should respect each others feelings. We are all on this forum for one reason and that is an interest in buses and transport, not to be arguing.
Just my two pence worth.
Well said!
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So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)
Just cause you 'think' you are right doesn't mean you are, that's just what you think! and as you have driven neither your opinion is null & void. I doubt any driver even the most experienced can compare as they will not have driven both types regulary. Maybe its all in your imagination and you should get some sleep!
Don't be so mardy, I'm not "imagining" anything, I doubt you've even ridden the BC ones much, please don't try and argue with me. I thought you "gave up"? Would appreciate it if you could leave it now before we break the record for the largest quote pyramid
Na I think we should carry on in case Arriva Bob gets A hump on again and tries to beat us :-\ (sorry Bob, Regards) yes you're right I need sleep have to drive some of the slower WN hybrids tomorrow :P I long for the faster BC one's :P
cheers Matt
Regards
Quote from: Driver03 on May 12, 2013, 11:15:36 PM
Please can we not turn this into a flame war. Both opinions are valid and both should respect each others feelings. We are all on this forum for one reason and that is an interest in buses and transport, not to be arguing.
Just my two pence worth.
Well said but funny though eh? ;)
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 12, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
So basically, the E400H is too good
I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.
The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)
Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct
In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.
Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!
No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it
So You have driven both..regularly?
Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem
Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!
I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...
I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent ::) ::) ::)
I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)
Just cause you 'think' you are right doesn't mean you are, that's just what you think! and as you have driven neither your opinion is null & void. I doubt any driver even the most experienced can compare as they will not have driven both types regulary. Maybe its all in your imagination and you should get some sleep!
Don't be so mardy, I'm not "imagining" anything, I doubt you've even ridden the BC ones much, please don't try and argue with me. I thought you "gave up"? Would appreciate it if you could leave it now before we break the record for the largest quote pyramid
Na I think we should carry on in case Arriva Bob gets A hump on again and tries to beat us :-\ (sorry Bob, Regards) yes you're right I need sleep have to drive some of the slower WN hybrids tomorrow :P I long for the faster BC one's :P
cheers Matt
Regards
Don't get me wrong there's not much difference between them, but I am very observant (sometimes too much so for my own good)!
Do you prefer to drive the B5s or Enviros?
Two words, them being "different" and "drivers"
My tuppence worth
Goodnight
Just to chip in; can you really compare the acceleration rates of the hybrids at WN & BC fairly when the BC drivers have been driving them longer (thus they are more familiar with them than WN) and they are used on different routes?
all of this for one question, ;d
It is all perceptions and I think you will find they are identical.
If a driver acclerates hard up Broad Street in Birmingham it will feel like the bus is accelerating really fast, because of the nature of the road and traffic around, whereas if a driver accelerates hard down Tettenhall Road on the straight tree lined section it will not feel so fast. It is the same with top speeds. A driver driving at 35mph around most of the Outer Circle in Birmingham will feel faster than a trident doing 40mph down the Small Heath by-pass.
I am sure Trident only feel like they accelerate faster than B7s because of the different engine noises. I know from practice and driving both they are so close in actual acceleration it is not worth arguing over and sometimes it is the one that seems slower that is faster.
Even B6s when they seem like they are really struggling up steep hills like Brettell Lane towards Brierley Hill, when you look at the speedo it is normally holding between 25 & 30mph
The best way to find exact speeds is with a satnav or one of the many apps for smartphones
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 13, 2013, 10:46:03 AM
The best way to find exact speeds is with a satnav or one of the many apps for smartphones
But that still won't tell you which bus is better than another because it is rare for a bus to ever get to its top speed and acceleration still depends on that driver
WN's E400H haven't gone anywhere afterall! There was 5513 on the 59 and i saw a Branded B5 and a E400H on the 1.
So i wonder why there were no hybrids in Service?
I know someone would mention the top speed ::) obviously I was talking about the acceleration, comparing performance when being driven properly (i.e. accelerating to the maximum extent possible)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
I know someone would mention the top speed ::) obviously I was talking about the acceleration, comparing performance when being driven properly (i.e. accelerating to the maximum extent possible)
That is not being driven properly. There are obviously places where you have to just put your foot to the floor, going out onto Five Ways roundabout is one, but a good driver does not do that pulling away from stops or traffic lights
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
I know someone would mention the top speed ::) obviously I was talking about the acceleration, comparing performance when being driven properly (i.e. accelerating to the maximum extent possible)
That is not being driven properly. There are obviously places where you have to just put your foot to the floor, going out onto Five Ways roundabout is one, but a good driver does not do that pulling away from stops or traffic lights
That's not what I meant...I approve of smooth, fast but safe driving, I was talking hypothetically. Let's just say that, if you were to have a fair drag race, on a level runway, between a WN E400H and a BC E400H, both being driven "properly" the BC one would win, let's just leave it at that.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
I know someone would mention the top speed ::) obviously I was talking about the acceleration, comparing performance when being driven properly (i.e. accelerating to the maximum extent possible)
That is not being driven properly. There are obviously places where you have to just put your foot to the floor, going out onto Five Ways roundabout is one, but a good driver does not do that pulling away from stops or traffic lights
That's not what I meant...I approve of smooth, fast but safe driving, I was talking hypothetically. Let's just say that, if you were to have a fair drag race, on a level runway, between a WN E400H and a BC E400H, both being driven "properly" the BC one would win, let's just leave it at that.
So you are right whatever despite the fact you don't drive them, maintain them or set the engine management system on them. Sorry Matt but you cannot say that
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
Don't worry Nath I'm trying to leave it but someone keeps bringing it back ;) like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
I reserve that "attitude" for those who deserve it
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
Agreed....And some fell on stoney ground!! 8)
Quote from: 4006 on May 13, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
Agreed....And some fell on stoney ground!! 8)
I don't get on well with other people (because often things others say don't make sense to me) and I make that quite obvious but as long as one day I'm sat in the cab of a bus with a running board and ticket machine I'll be happy
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2013, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2013, 06:13:28 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
I know someone would mention the top speed ::) obviously I was talking about the acceleration, comparing performance when being driven properly (i.e. accelerating to the maximum extent possible)
That is not being driven properly. There are obviously places where you have to just put your foot to the floor, going out onto Five Ways roundabout is one, but a good driver does not do that pulling away from stops or traffic lights
That's not what I meant...I approve of smooth, fast but safe driving, I was talking hypothetically. Let's just say that, if you were to have a fair drag race, on a level runway, between a WN E400H and a BC E400H, both being driven "properly" the BC one would win, let's just leave it at that.
So you are right whatever despite the fact you don't drive them, maintain them or set the engine management system on them. Sorry Matt but you cannot say that
It would seam so Tony!! but thanks for your input :P :P :P
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: 4006 on May 13, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 07:19:04 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 06:42:39 PM
Matt,As your best friend i advise you leave this one for now
like I said I know I'm right, I'm not bothered if others disagree with me as that's their opinion and their problem.
You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
Agreed....And some fell on stoney ground!! 8)
I don't get on well with other people (because often things others say don't make sense to me) and I make that quite obvious but as long as one day I'm sat in the cab of a bus with a running board and ticket machine I'll be happy
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I don't get on well with other people (because often things others say don't make sense to me) and I make that quite obvious but as long as one day I'm sat in the cab of a bus with a running board and ticket machine I'll be happy
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You won't get far in life with that attitude..... ;)
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Refer to the second quote...you have not got a cats chance in hell driving a bus!!
You don't know anything about me so don't say that
Come on Now please don't argue :( The forum is here for everybody to be entitled to an opinon.
Back to Hybrids, Maybe 5510-14 off route on the 126/59/529 etc as they are spare but branded buses is rediculous. There has been E400H on the 126 and 59 and the 59 has had 5413 and 5515 (on 2 days in a row) now on the 529.
Whats happened ??? Why can't they keep the branded buses on the 1.
Really it should be all the branded (All E400H and B5's 5515-8 and 3 unbranded (B5's 5510-14) (One spare in the garage for the peak running board) with 1-2 unbranded B5LH on the 59.
On saturdays its 18 hybrids on the 1 and 3 Unbranded B5's.
On Sundays the 1 has B5's and E400H with up to 4-5 B5's on the 59
The best chance you will get of driving a bus will be from advise/experience/insight & knowledge of people using this site as some are in the industry and have vast experience. With the current low level of recruitment surely it would be in your interest to make friends rather than enemies! You could use this to your advantage but because of your biggoted pig headedness you will gain nothing apart from negativity. You do not Know nothing about me or anyone else on this site..For all you know you could be the next person I interview for a job with NX and with the attitude you have already displayed you will not get the job!
Now that is 'FACT'
Look I am fed up of this. Can you just leave me alone
Please you two can you leave this one alone! This isn't the time or place to argue and them comments are quite harsh
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 13, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
Look I am fed up of this. Can you just leave me alone
Stop replying I will not say a word!
Ditto
I don't want to get involved but you have clogged up this thread with silly petty arguments between an adult and a 15Yr old! Can You and Matt leave this now and get the thread back on topic.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
Please you two can you leave this one alone! This isn't the time or place to argue and them comments are quite harsh
I'd say they are fairly bang on with how Matt's replies have come across....
Quote from: Winston on May 13, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 13, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
Please you two can you leave this one alone! This isn't the time or place to argue and them comments are quite harsh
I'd say they are fairly bang on with how Matt's replies have come across....
OK I apologize. I am probably stressed as I'm in the middle of exams now and I haven't got much sleep lately. I did overreact for which I'm sorry. At the end of the day I'm 15, have never driven anything faster than a 160cc go-kart and know a fraction of what many people on here do. I am just not in the mood and maybe took comments in the wrong light
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
With permission from NXWM I'd be up for that ;D
Quote from: Driver03 on May 14, 2013, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
With permission from NXWM I'd be up for that ;D
That's a big IF though isn't it ;)
To be honest, I have always wanted to see drag races between various buses, just to see once and for all which are faster
Quote from: Driver03 on May 14, 2013, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
With permission from NXWM I'd be up for that ;D
Imagine the looks from all the drag racers as two big green and white buses turn up for a race ;D
Not sure why but this conversation just reminds me of this :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURJGAgM_Tc
Quote from: trident4370 on May 14, 2013, 12:29:21 AM
Not sure why but this conversation just reminds me of this :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURJGAgM_Tc
Ahh, such a classic video there ;D
I bet the buses needed some TLC after that!
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on May 14, 2013, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
With permission from NXWM I'd be up for that ;D
Imagine the looks from all the drag racers as two big green and white buses turn up for a race ;D
:) I'd do it just for the comical effect ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 14, 2013, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on May 14, 2013, 12:23:15 AM
Quote from: JackC on May 14, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
Why don't we just settle this once and for all. We have BC drivers on this forum and we have WN drivers on this forum. All we need is these guys to sneak a hybrid out each and get them down to Santa Pod. Then we'll see which is faster ;) ::)
With permission from NXWM I'd be up for that ;D
That's a big IF though isn't it ;)
To be honest, I have always wanted to see drag races between various buses, just to see once and for all which are faster
It is a big IF you are right and to be honest I can't see them going for it as they are both relatively new buses, but I agree drag racing to settle it would be extremely fun ;D
Just wondering if the Volvos were delivered with the gear selection on the right or left? The ones at BC were delivered with them on the right but recently have been moved to the left to a slot above the blue hybrid lamp
5410 has lost part of its Route 1 brandin (The main red strip has been taken off).
Maybe they are unbranding some as i suggested? Maybe Some E400H on the 59 as well as B5's
5410 has had new side panels fitted following an accident.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on May 15, 2013, 10:20:33 PM
5410 has had new side panels fitted following an accident.
What accident? What happened to it? Must be reapplying the branding then
Quote from: BC driver on May 15, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
Just wondering if the Volvos were delivered with the gear selection on the right or left? The ones at BC were delivered with them on the right but recently have been moved to the left to a slot above the blue hybrid lamp
Right side, although they are being moved to left under hybrid lamp due to water damaging gear selectors when raining.
the dash is almost identical to the b7rle, which have been having the gear selectors moved over last few months. for water reason i was told. i am suprised that these b5's were not relocated before delivery
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 15, 2013, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on May 15, 2013, 10:20:33 PM
5410 has had new side panels fitted following an accident.
What accident? What happened to it? Must be reapplying the branding then
Not sure what happened, it went to Carlyle Bus & Coach to be repaired.
3 B5's on the 59 today! (5510/11/13).There are only 2 hybrids spare from the 1 which are on the 59 so there must be a Trident or Spectra on the 1
Are all the Enviro hybrids out in service in WM? We've only got three out at the moment up here in Dundee..
Quote from: Kiewii on May 18, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Are all the Enviro hybrids out in service in WM? We've only got three out at the moment up here in Dundee..
Yes the B5's came into service in march and the 12 E400H entered service in late April
Quote from: Kiewii on May 18, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Are all the Enviro hybrids out in service in WM? We've only got three out at the moment up here in Dundee..
Having seen photos on here of them with branding a few weeks ago, I thought they would all be out by now.
Quote from: Kiewii on May 18, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Are all the Enviro hybrids out in service in WM? We've only got three out at the moment up here in Dundee..
Looking at the photos on the main site, How come the Dundee E400H (Branded for the 5) how come most the photos are pictured with them off route (Routes 28/29)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 19, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on May 18, 2013, 08:16:37 PM
Are all the Enviro hybrids out in service in WM? We've only got three out at the moment up here in Dundee..
Looking at the photos on the main site, How come the Dundee E400H (Branded for the 5) how come most the photos are pictured with them off route (Routes 28/29)
Looks like Dundee are even worse for branded routes than WN ;)
I'm guessing its because its Sunday and maybe the hybrids will work that route on Sundays. Maybe to help drivers get used to them?
Quote from: Gareth on May 19, 2013, 10:58:44 PM
I'm guessing its because its Sunday and maybe the hybrids will work that route on Sundays. Maybe to help drivers get used to them?
The Hybrids were being evaluated on the Douglas routes (28/29)
Had I waited for a reply to my comment on Flickr, I would have found out the reason why anyway. I wonder if Dundee are planning to put in bids for the next Green bus fund, or maybe just a route to put the surplus 5's when not in use.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/05/20/kerrys-voice-is-bostin-help-on-the-buses/
I think I prefer a generic non accent voice like TfL use on their buses and Underground.
Quote from: Gareth on May 20, 2013, 01:23:45 PM
Had I waited for a reply to my comment on Flickr, I would have found out the reason why anyway. I wonder if Dundee are planning to put in bids for the next Green bus fund, or maybe just a route to put the surplus 5's when not in use.
Probably not... but if they did, the hybrids would replace the remaining R-reg B10Ls (7144-7151).
Caught 5516 today on the 1, the voice is so annoying! could do with being turned down a tad i think!
On the dundee subject doesnt the 28/29 have branded gemini's for the discovery line?
The voice is too loud downstairs, but too quiet upstairs!
Although I suppose those hard of hearing usually sit downstairs, so that's where it's needed most
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 20, 2013, 07:28:54 PM
On the dundee subject doesnt the 28/29 have branded gemini's for the discovery line?
Not any more. B7RLEs are now branded for those.
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2042.html
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 20, 2013, 07:30:02 PM
The voice is too loud downstairs, but too quiet upstairs!
Although I suppose those hard of hearing usually sit downstairs, so that's where it's needed most
I sat upstairs about half way down and found it really loud!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 21, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 20, 2013, 07:30:02 PM
The voice is too loud downstairs, but too quiet upstairs!
Although I suppose those hard of hearing usually sit downstairs, so that's where it's needed most
I sat upstairs about half way down and found it really loud!
Be thankful you didn't sit downstairs then
On 5413. Tbh it don't sound too bad compared to Birmingham Centrals batch.
E400H 5412 is on WN 59 today!
E400H 5415 on service 4 this afternoon, spotted at Lloyd's Hill island at 17:04.
Quote from: a220 on May 22, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
E400H 5415 on service 4 this afternoon, spotted at Lloyd's Hill island at 17:04.
Are you serious! Rarest working so far.
Quote from: a220 on May 22, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
E400H 5415 on service 4 this afternoon, spotted at Lloyd's Hill island at 17:04.
This is ridiculous, only a month or so in service (2 months for the B5s) and they have now been on the 1, 59, 79, 529, several on the 126 and now the 4! Not complaining though ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 22, 2013, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: a220 on May 22, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
E400H 5415 on service 4 this afternoon, spotted at Lloyd's Hill island at 17:04.
This is ridiculous, only a month or so in service (2 months for the B5s) and they have now been on the 1, 59, 79, 529, several on the 126 and now the 4! Not complaining though ;D
And the day i have an ear infection and have to stay home. Typical. Although i managed to get on 5412 on the 59 yesterday.
What next The 62 ;)
At least it makes for some interesting photographs!
Which routes other than the 22/23/24 have the BC put hybrids on? (I know they very rarley go off the 22/3/4).
At WN they have appeared on the 79,126,529 and now the 4! And obviously on the 1 and the spare ones on the 59.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
Which routes other than the 22/23/24 have the BC put hybrids on? (I know they very rarley go off the 22/3/4).
At WN they have appeared on the 79,126,529 and now the 4! And obviously on the 1 and the spare ones on the 59.
I know 5507 appeared on the 97 not long after they all entered service ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
Which routes other than the 22/23/24 have the BC put hybrids on? (I know they very rarley go off the 22/3/4).
At WN they have appeared on the 79,126,529 and now the 4! And obviously on the 1 and the spare ones on the 59.
The 97 when they were new, but not for ages now, a single X64 peak journey, and a 'tentative' sighting on the 900E if I recall correctly - but the last one was a bit vague, no fleet number etc.
Quote from: Mike K on May 22, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
Which routes other than the 22/23/24 have the BC put hybrids on? (I know they very rarley go off the 22/3/4).
At WN they have appeared on the 79,126,529 and now the 4! And obviously on the 1 and the spare ones on the 59.
The 97 when they were new, but not for ages now, a single X64 peak journey, and a 'tentative' sighting on the 900E if I recall correctly - but the last one was a bit vague, no fleet number etc.
And that is in a year and a half, the WN Hybrids have ventured off-route way more in just a couple of months!!
Apart from 5509 doing that X64 trip, it must be over a year since anyone reported one on anything other than the 22/23/24. You'd think the BC ones would have been better candidates for route branding (some generic City - Harborne branding) rather than the WN ones.
And 2 Route 1 branded E400H off route two days running with 5412 on the 59 yesterday and now 5415 on the 4!
Are all of NX Dundee's E400H 5422-30 all branded for their Route 5?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Are all of NX Dundee's E400H 5422-30 all branded for their Route 5?
Yes, I don't think the 9 x Hybrids cover the entire Pvr of the 5
Thanks Winston :) Do other vehicle types operate the 5 still?
What was the 5 operated with before the Hybrids came? Presidents and Gemini's?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
Thanks Winston :) Do other vehicle types operate the 5 still?
What was the 5 operated with before the Hybrids came? Presidents and Gemini's?
Not all of Dundee's Hybrids are in service yet, I think up too 5 have now entered service
I think the 5 was allocated a mixture of both double deckers (Gemini & odd Olympian workings plus more recently Presidents) & various single deckers, I seem to remember a Solo being reported this week.
If you're interested in NX Dundee the Dundee Bus Forum is a good source of info http://dundeeareabusforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Noted today that 5501, which had received extensive accident damage which is now repaired, has had all its offside green leaves branding and NXWM / Centro logos fully reapplied - which is good to see.
BC are certainly on the ball in terms of keeping these buses well presented.
Also 5410 has had its side branding reapplied following accident damage repair. Has been Out in service for the past week with the side branding removed
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
Thanks Winston :) Do other vehicle types operate the 5 still?
What was the 5 operated with before the Hybrids came? Presidents and Gemini's?
Not all of Dundee's Hybrids are in service yet, I think up too 5 have now entered service
I think the 5 was allocated a mixture of both double deckers (Gemini & odd Olympian workings plus more recently Presidents) & various single deckers, I seem to remember a Solo being reported this week.
If you're interested in NX Dundee the Dundee Bus Forum is a good source of info http://dundeeareabusforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Sorry for bringing this up again, I've only just noticed this.
Before the hybrids entered service the Geminis were fixed to the 5, and for a time, there were single deckers on the route too as some of the Geminis were put on the Whitfield (15/17). As the hybrids entered service, the Geminis have found their way onto the St Marys (1A/B) and Kirkton (18/19).
The Presidents mainly come off of school runs, Solos off other services and the Olympians are all withdrawn.
Yesterday out of the 6 buses needed on the 59 (WN) on sundays 4 were Hybrids (B5LH).
There were 5511, 5512,5513 and 5514 with tridents 4590 and 4572 also on the 59.
Something i have noticed on the 59 on sundays, First bus out is usually hybrid and the second
Board is usually a trident.
Quote from: Kiewii on May 26, 2013, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 22, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 22, 2013, 11:11:40 PM
Thanks Winston :) Do other vehicle types operate the 5 still?
What was the 5 operated with before the Hybrids came? Presidents and Gemini's?
Not all of Dundee's Hybrids are in service yet, I think up too 5 have now entered service
I think the 5 was allocated a mixture of both double deckers (Gemini & odd Olympian workings plus more recently Presidents) & various single deckers, I seem to remember a Solo being reported this week.
If you're interested in NX Dundee the Dundee Bus Forum is a good source of info http://dundeeareabusforum.com/index.php?action=forum
Sorry for bringing this up again, I've only just noticed this.
Before the hybrids entered service the Geminis were fixed to the 5, and for a time, there were single deckers on the route too as some of the Geminis were put on the Whitfield (15/17). As the hybrids entered service, the Geminis have found their way onto the St Marys (1A/B) and Kirkton (18/19).
The Presidents mainly come off of school runs, Solos off other services and the Olympians are all withdrawn.
I'm aware that the Olympian are now withdrawn, however previously they did appear on the 5 off schools as the Presidents now do in their place
When comparing B5LH to Enviro 400 Hybrids, which carries more passengers?
Enviro 400: 45+32 = 77 seats
B5LH: 41+27 = 68 seats
How many standing passengers can be carried (legally) ?
How many wheelchair users can be carried?
Quote from: wulfrun on May 27, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
When comparing B5LH to Enviro 400 Hybrids, which carries more passengers?
Enviro 400: 45+32 = 77 seats
B5LH: 41+27 = 68 seats
How many standing passengers can be carried (legally) ?
How many wheelchair users can be carried?
The E400H definatley have more capacity. On the 59 route you a B5 fills up quicker than say the tridents and Spectras.
unless NX are going to pay full price for hybrid buses next year I can't see them getting any as they haven't got anything from the green bus fund https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/203081/green-bus-winning-bids.pdf
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2013, 09:52:44 AM
unless NX are going to pay full price for hybrid buses next year I can't see them getting any as they haven't got anything from the green bus fund https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/203081/green-bus-winning-bids.pdf
I made that mistake, that is only a part announcement of funding allocations. The full Green Bus Fund 4 was worth £20 Million, this announcement allocates £11.65 Million only.
NX may still be in with a chance of receiving some funding
oh, didn't realise thanks for the info
5511 on 79 today.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on June 04, 2013, 05:14:20 PM
5511 on 79 today.
Didn't spot that one so great spot ;) 5510 and 5513 are the hybrids on the 59 today.
5413 just replaced 4597 on the 529
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
5413 just replaced 4597 on the 529
Broken down? 5413 has already done the 59 and now the 529!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Andrew on June 04, 2013, 06:45:27 PM
5413 just replaced 4597 on the 529
Broken down? 5413 has already done the 59 and now the 529!
Yeah the little transit connect was at the side of it when i left the station
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
You all seem to have missed 5415 getting to Merry Hill this evening on the 255
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
You all seem to have missed 5415 getting to Merry Hill this evening on the 255
That is the best one yet.
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
You all seem to have missed 5415 getting to Merry Hill this evening on the 255
That is a great spot tony! 5415 has now done two very rare workings on route 4 now the 255
Why do days like this always happen when I'm not able to go out >:(
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
You all seem to have missed 5415 getting to Merry Hill this evening on the 255
Did you get a photo? E400H on two routes which haven't had them yet. The 529 which has only had 2 B5 on with 5413 on there tonight and The 255 hasn't had any hybrids.
I wish i did go on the bus this evening:(
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:24:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2013, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
Presumably 5413 had just finished for the day on the 1 and was near the station so they quickly replaced 4597 with 5413.
First E400H on the 529 to date!
You all seem to have missed 5415 getting to Merry Hill this evening on the 255
Did you get a photo? E400H on two routes which haven't had them yet. The 529 which has only had 2 B5 on with 5413 on there tonight and The 255 hasn't had any hybrids.
I wish i did go on the bus this evening:(
At least you could've done!!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 08:21:29 PM
Why do days like this always happen when I'm not able to go out >:(
I spend over an hour in Wolves Bus Station late afternoon and come back home and a few hours later all these rare hybrid workings appear >:( gutted ;)
Although i did manage to catch 529 branded 4604 on the 59 but thats about it
That would be great if 823 was on the 9 on your birthday ;) it will happen at some point.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
That would be great if 823 was on the 9 on your birthday ;) it will happen at some point.
Rather 555
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
That would be great if 823 was on the 9 on your birthday ;) it will happen at some point.
Rather 555
Well they have already broke the emmision rule plenty.ofbtimes so who knows! Look at today 4681 on the 335 and E400H on the 529 and 255 so anything is possible
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 04, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:28:39 PM
That would be great if 823 was on the 9 on your birthday ;) it will happen at some point.
Rather 555
Well they have already broke the emmision rule plenty.ofbtimes so who knows! Look at today 4681 on the 335 and E400H on the 529 and 255 so anything is possible
I wish :(
Why couldn't this of happened when we went on the bus on sunday or a few saturdays ago ;(
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 04, 2013, 08:39:07 PM
Why couldn't this of happened when we went on the bus on sunday or a few saturdays ago ;(
Because that would've been good luck, something which I can't have
5510 on 126 all day yesterday
WN are very good control with Hybrid out on any route than BC. I dont know why BC keep on the 22/23 why not use on the 900 or 957! I would love Hybrid put on 900 that visit to Coventry and People would see or shock!
Quote from: 6013 on June 07, 2013, 08:27:50 AM
WN are very good control with Hybrid out on any route than BC. I dont know why BC keep on the 22/23 why not use on the 900 or 957! I would love Hybrid put on 900 that visit to Coventry and People would see or shock!
Quite the opposite I would say, 6013. BC are very good at controlling which routes the Hybrids keep to. The PVR of the 22/23 is around 16 or 17 buses, with 14 required during the day. Why then put Hybrids on the 900 and 957 and leave the routes they were intended for short. In practice the peak hour only boards on the 22/23 are often operated by Tridents, allowing a couple of Hybrids onto the 24 all day. This is logical as the 24 route is identical between city and Harborne baths.
I think it's been debated here before, but the E400H in partcular is more suited to stop start city work rather than routes like the 900.
5416 appears to have gained a quiet whining noise
I have noticed very slight Metrobus-like sounds in E400Hs
Quote from: Andrew on June 07, 2013, 06:39:37 PM
5416 appears to have gained a quiet whining noise
Theres a couple of others that have aswell but can't exactly remember which ones
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
I have noticed very slight Metrobus-like sounds in E400Hs
Really ? I think they still have the classic trident whining noise.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 07, 2013, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
I have noticed very slight Metrobus-like sounds in E400Hs
Really ? I think they still have the classic trident whining noise.
Yes they do have that too but going on Metrobuses almost every day I notice very subtle noises which remind me of those in an E400H (when pulling off from standstill). Only very slight ;)
Your a very good listner then. I never thought that so i will listen out for it on the 1 tommorow
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 07, 2013, 06:55:35 PM
Your a very good listner then. I never thought that so i will listen out for it on the 1 tommorow
Well I'm not sure if you would notice it as you haven't been on a Metrobus in a long time. It's very, very subtle whistling noises made when first pulling off
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 07, 2013, 06:58:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 07, 2013, 06:55:35 PM
Your a very good listner then. I never thought that so i will listen out for it on the 1 tommorow
Well I'm not sure if you would notice it as you haven't been on a Metrobus in a long time. It's very, very subtle whistling noises made when first pulling off
I can just about tell which noises you mean. Yes it does but ever so slightly
How many hybrids are now allocated to WN 59
I saw 5 yesterday and 5 on today
Quote from: lynx1103 on June 18, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
How many hybrids are now allocated to WN 59
I saw 5 yesterday and 5 on today
There are only meant to be a maximum of 3 on the 59, as the remaining 18 fill the PVR of the 1. If there are 5 on today, then there must be at least 2 non-hybrids on the 1
Quote from: lynx1103 on June 18, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
How many hybrids are now allocated to WN 59
I saw 5 yesterday and 5 on today
There should be 2-3 Mon-Fri, 3 Sat and 3-4 on sundays but as i've noticed on the 59, all 5510-14 are on there yesterday and today.
The 1 has finally gone back to fully hybrid after 2 days of a couple of tridents on the 1 with 5 B5's on the 59.
Only 2 B5's on the 59 today with 5514 on the 1
Been in London to see the start of the New Bus For London on its first route 24 (well done whoever produced the number plates for them with incorrect spacing), which gave me the chance to ride on a number of TFLs Hybrid buses.
Despite the Enviro 400 being the main ordinary bus in London, it seems that Wright Gemini 2 is the most popular Hybrid bus.
The London examples, although obviously different in seating capacity & the middle door seem much quicker than there west midland counterparts, they are also fitted with air conditioning!
It's not difficult to be quicker than a NXWM B5 lol, most Tridents are
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
It's not difficult to be quicker than a NXWM B5 lol, most Tridents are
I would put money on the fact that if you timed all the different buses in the fleet on a 0-30mph acceleration there would be so little difference it would be difficult to split them. Noisy buses always seem to accelerate faster as a passenger, but a good driver doesn't pretend he is in a drag race.
I still maintain that a bus is still only as 'fast' as the driver drives it (or at least 'fast' from a passengers perspective)
I caught a Gemini on the 37 the other evening, and we got from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green in just under 11 minutes. And it felt 'fast' from a passengers perspective, for whatever reasons, maybe the driver was running late and was trying to make up time, because their shift was about to finish etc etc.
Yet the same Gemini could be used at another time of day (with a different driver), and it can 'feel' slow because the driver is running on time, and doesn't have to floor the thing!
Quote from: Stu on June 22, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
I still maintain that a bus is still only as 'fast' as the driver drives it (or at least 'fast' from a passengers perspective)
I caught a Gemini on the 37 the other evening, and we got from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green in just under 11 minutes. And it felt 'fast' from a passengers perspective, for whatever reasons, maybe the driver was running late and was trying to make up time, because their shift was about to finish etc etc.
Yet the same Gemini could be used at another time of day (with a different driver), and it can 'feel' slow because the driver is running on time, and doesn't have to floor the thing!
Completely correct Stu.
Drivers are taught the most fuel efficient way of driving (and best for passengers) is amongst other things if possible do not physically stop except at bus stops if you can help it. If you see a queue ahead, or a traffic light that will be on red when you get to it immediately take you foot off the accelerator and try and roll up to the back of the queue so you can then accelerate off a rolling start. This in itself saves fuel, but then you do not need to put the accelerator so far down to get back up to traffic speed.
This means the engine makes a lot less noise and 'feels' slower even though the journey takes exactly the same time.
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 22, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
I still maintain that a bus is still only as 'fast' as the driver drives it (or at least 'fast' from a passengers perspective)
I caught a Gemini on the 37 the other evening, and we got from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green in just under 11 minutes. And it felt 'fast' from a passengers perspective, for whatever reasons, maybe the driver was running late and was trying to make up time, because their shift was about to finish etc etc.
Yet the same Gemini could be used at another time of day (with a different driver), and it can 'feel' slow because the driver is running on time, and doesn't have to floor the thing!
Completely correct Stu.
Drivers are taught the most fuel efficient way of driving (and best for passengers) is amongst other things if possible do not physically stop except at bus stops if you can help it. If you see a queue ahead, or a traffic light that will be on red when you get to it immediately take you foot off the accelerator and try and roll up to the back of the queue so you can then accelerate off a rolling start. This in itself saves fuel, but then you do not need to put the accelerator so far down to get back up to traffic speed.
This means the engine makes a lot less noise and 'feels' slower even though the journey takes exactly the same time.
More simply put; Defensive driving.
Quote from: The Rat on June 22, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 22, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
I still maintain that a bus is still only as 'fast' as the driver drives it (or at least 'fast' from a passengers perspective)
I caught a Gemini on the 37 the other evening, and we got from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green in just under 11 minutes. And it felt 'fast' from a passengers perspective, for whatever reasons, maybe the driver was running late and was trying to make up time, because their shift was about to finish etc etc.
Yet the same Gemini could be used at another time of day (with a different driver), and it can 'feel' slow because the driver is running on time, and doesn't have to floor the thing!
Completely correct Stu.
Drivers are taught the most fuel efficient way of driving (and best for passengers) is amongst other things if possible do not physically stop except at bus stops if you can help it. If you see a queue ahead, or a traffic light that will be on red when you get to it immediately take you foot off the accelerator and try and roll up to the back of the queue so you can then accelerate off a rolling start. This in itself saves fuel, but then you do not need to put the accelerator so far down to get back up to traffic speed.
This means the engine makes a lot less noise and 'feels' slower even though the journey takes exactly the same time.
More simply put; Defensive driving.
Yes, and the other employees on here will know what that means, but chances are the under 16s don't.
V Festival is on of the few times drivers actually get to put NXWM through their paces properly with miles of open road to drive down. I used to love putting Metrobuses through there paces on there when the instruction was to get back as fast as possible, and safety was the only other rule, no defensive driving etc. I am supervising again this year so doubt I will get to have a go at fast driving again, although last year was the same, but I still did one trip at 4:30am, 56 minutes Weston Park to Wolverhampton and back, that made a lovely change!
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2013, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 22, 2013, 09:41:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 22, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
I still maintain that a bus is still only as 'fast' as the driver drives it (or at least 'fast' from a passengers perspective)
I caught a Gemini on the 37 the other evening, and we got from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green in just under 11 minutes. And it felt 'fast' from a passengers perspective, for whatever reasons, maybe the driver was running late and was trying to make up time, because their shift was about to finish etc etc.
Yet the same Gemini could be used at another time of day (with a different driver), and it can 'feel' slow because the driver is running on time, and doesn't have to floor the thing!
Completely correct Stu.
Drivers are taught the most fuel efficient way of driving (and best for passengers) is amongst other things if possible do not physically stop except at bus stops if you can help it. If you see a queue ahead, or a traffic light that will be on red when you get to it immediately take you foot off the accelerator and try and roll up to the back of the queue so you can then accelerate off a rolling start. This in itself saves fuel, but then you do not need to put the accelerator so far down to get back up to traffic speed.
This means the engine makes a lot less noise and 'feels' slower even though the journey takes exactly the same time.
More simply put; Defensive driving.
Yes, and the other employees on here will know what that means, but chances are the under 16s don't.
V Festival is on of the few times drivers actually get to put NXWM through their paces properly with miles of open road to drive down. I used to love putting Metrobuses through there paces on there when the instruction was to get back as fast as possible, and safety was the only other rule, no defensive driving etc. I am supervising again this year so doubt I will get to have a go at fast driving again, although last year was the same, but I still did one trip at 4:30am, 56 minutes Weston Park to Wolverhampton and back, that made a lovely change!
Fair enough about the under 16 comment.
Sounds fun but with the way BC does vFest recruitment no other drivers get a chance to do it. Not fair at all.
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I have to agree with Matt. Some are faster; it's just a fact.
However, what Tony said earlier is also true. For instance, take 41xx and 44xx Tridents. The 41's feel slower as they dont change gears that often. Yet 44's you think are faster off the line as some scream and bang into gear - also the front raises a bit more as you accellerate giving the impression of speed. But I think you'll find
most give the same speed output.
One thing you can be certain of is E40D Hybrids are deffinately faster then any bus I've driven.
Quote from: The Rat on June 22, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I have to agree with Matt. Some are faster; it's just a fact.
However, what Tony said earlier is also true. For instance, take 41xx and 44xx Tridents. The 41's feel slower as they dont change gears that often. Yet 44's you think are faster off the line as some scream and bang into gear - also the front raises a bit more as you accellerate giving the impression of speed. But I think you'll find most give the same speed output.
One thing you can be certain of is E40D Hybrids are deffinately faster then any bus I've driven.
Actually, the Y-reg Tridents feel quite fast to me, had 4131 this evening which flew off the line. They do feel like the fastest Voiths to me, with the exception of some BU04's at Wolverhampton.
Due to their complex gearboxes, B5's can either crawl off or shoot off, depending entirely on the driver's style of driving and how accustomed they are to the gears. (I am saying all this from what I can tell as a passenger only)
I wonder if anyone has driven both a BC and WN Enviro-Hybrid yet? Because they would truly be able to tell if the Birmingham ones actually are faster than the Wolverhampton ones. I have ridden almost all of both batches and the BC ones do feel faster; it's nothing to do with the style of road either, as much of the 22/23's route is a similar style to that of the 1
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 22, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I have to agree with Matt. Some are faster; it's just a fact.
However, what Tony said earlier is also true. For instance, take 41xx and 44xx Tridents. The 41's feel slower as they dont change gears that often. Yet 44's you think are faster off the line as some scream and bang into gear - also the front raises a bit more as you accellerate giving the impression of speed. But I think you'll find most give the same speed output.
One thing you can be certain of is E40D Hybrids are deffinately faster then any bus I've driven.
Actually, the Y-reg Tridents feel quite fast to me, had 4131 this evening which flew off the line. They do feel like the fastest Voiths to me, with the exception of some BU04's at Wolverhampton.
Due to their complex gearboxes, B5's can either crawl off or shoot off, depending entirely on the driver's style of driving and how accustomed they are to the gears. (I am saying all this from what I can tell as a passenger only)
I wonder if anyone has driven both a BC and WN Enviro-Hybrid yet? Because they would truly be able to tell if the Birmingham ones actually are faster than the Wolverhampton ones. I have ridden almost all of both batches and the BC ones do feel faster; it's nothing to do with the style of road either, as much of the 22/23's route is a similar style to that of the 1
I think the difference between the 1 and the 22/23 is that the 22/23 is busy most of the day and therefore the driver is always trying to keep to time, whereas the 1 is quite lightly loaded during the day at certain times and therefore the dricer isn't in such a hurry.
Interestingly, some London Buses are equipped with a box on the dashboard to help with acceleration. it has read, yellow & green lights. As the bus accelerates it starts with green lights, however if the driver over accelerates, the yellow lights will come on followed by red.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: The Rat on June 22, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I have to agree with Matt. Some are faster; it's just a fact.
However, what Tony said earlier is also true. For instance, take 41xx and 44xx Tridents. The 41's feel slower as they dont change gears that often. Yet 44's you think are faster off the line as some scream and bang into gear - also the front raises a bit more as you accellerate giving the impression of speed. But I think you'll find most give the same speed output.
One thing you can be certain of is E40D Hybrids are deffinately faster then any bus I've driven.
Actually, the Y-reg Tridents feel quite fast to me, had 4131 this evening which flew off the line. They do feel like the fastest Voiths to me, with the exception of some BU04's at Wolverhampton.
Due to their complex gearboxes, B5's can either crawl off or shoot off, depending entirely on the driver's style of driving and how accustomed they are to the gears. (I am saying all this from what I can tell as a passenger only)
I wonder if anyone has driven both a BC and WN Enviro-Hybrid yet? Because they would truly be able to tell if the Birmingham ones actually are faster than the Wolverhampton ones. I have ridden almost all of both batches and the BC ones do feel faster; it's nothing to do with the style of road either, as much of the 22/23's route is a similar style to that of the 1
I think the difference between the 1 and the 22/23 is that the 22/23 is busy most of the day and therefore the driver is always trying to keep to time, whereas the 1 is quite lightly loaded during the day at certain times and therefore the dricer isn't in such a hurry.
Interestingly, some London Buses are equipped with a box on the dashboard to help with acceleration. it has read, yellow & green lights. As the bus accelerates it starts with green lights, however if the driver over accelerates, the yellow lights will come on followed by red.
I dont think the 22/23 is busy most of the day. Peaks yes, but off peak it is quite lightly loaded. Unless of course you're already 8 minutes down.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I can agree with that as MRW G1xxHNP Leyland Lynxs where faster at accellerating than most other buses due to on fact, they had the wooden block removed from under the peddle. Also MRW had a Turbo National that was faster than the other Nationals they had.
But also depends on how the bus has been maintanied too, as some of the E300's at Redditch seemed slower than others due to having a poorly engine (Ie had been thrashed and was going to brake down at some point).
Quote from: tank90 on June 23, 2013, 05:54:31 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 22, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
No reaction to the under 16 comment.
Yes, how fast a bus accelerates clearly depends on how far the driver puts his foot down. But as I have previously stated, certain buses are faster than other buses. Even examples in the same batch, which on paper should be identical. Anyone who denies that is clearly rather unobservant.
I can agree with that as MRW G1xxHNP Leyland Lynxs where faster at accellerating than most other buses due to on fact, they had the wooden block removed from under the peddle.
There was no 'wooden block' under the accelerator pedal of a Lynx to remove. Lynx were just fast full stop. They are certainly the fastest accelerating bus I have driven in 25 years. Since the Lynx most vehicles have engine management systems in place which equals them all out, hence my comment about most types being fairly even in a drag race up to 30.
TWM obviously knew of the 'fastness' of the lynx and used it in advertising. The 993/4 leaflets advertising them as 'fast and efficient vehicles'.
Apologies for keeping "off topic" (before I get slated for doing so - it's just where the conversation is heading at the moment)...
A case point about some buses being faster / not being faster than others:
On me way home from work on Friday I caught 4309 (Trident) on the X51 from town at about 6pm. It was full to the brim, so had a good few extra tonnes of weight to move. Pulling away from the Bartons Arms lights in Newtown it managed to outpace a fairly empty Gemini.
Not trying to say "I know these buses are faster than others", just stating what happened.
Quote from: Gareth on June 23, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
TWM obviously knew of the 'fastness' of the lynx and used it in advertising. The 993/4 leaflets advertising them as 'fast and efficient vehicles'.
QN Lynx's used to shift along Quinton Expressway on the 19S when they were really opened up, especially if you had a driver running late who was flooring it....... Only problem with the Lynx was the internal rattles & the suspension didn't seem to absorb pot holes very well, a few times the rear wheels would bang and sound like they'd come through the floor
Quote from: Kevin on June 23, 2013, 07:41:06 PM
Apologies for keeping "off topic" (before I get slated for doing so - it's just where the conversation is heading at the moment)...
A case point about some buses being faster / not being faster than others:
On me way home from work on Friday I caught 4309 (Trident) on the X51 from town at about 6pm. It was full to the brim, so had a good few extra tonnes of weight to move. Pulling away from the Bartons Arms lights in Newtown it managed to outpace a fairly empty Gemini.
Not trying to say "I know these buses are faster than others", just stating what happened.
4309 is OK pulling away, but is limited to 37mph, bet it seemed slow on the flyovers then! The thing is your driver may have put his foot to the floor and the gemini driver decided they were in no hurry and just pulled away gently. That is why drivers will normally know good and bad buses but passengers don't
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2013, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 23, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
TWM obviously knew of the 'fastness' of the lynx and used it in advertising. The 993/4 leaflets advertising them as 'fast and efficient vehicles'.
QN Lynx's used to shift along Quinton Expressway on the 19S when they were really opened up, especially if you had a driver running late who was flooring it....... Only problem with the Lynx was the internal rattles & the suspension didn't seem to absorb pot holes very well, a few times the rear wheels would bang and sound like they'd come through the floor
I actually had the rear axle come out of place on an AG Lynx on the 71 and had the pleasure of a ride in a tow truck while the Lynx had a backwards suspend tow back
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2013, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2013, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 23, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
TWM obviously knew of the 'fastness' of the lynx and used it in advertising. The 993/4 leaflets advertising them as 'fast and efficient vehicles'.
QN Lynx's used to shift along Quinton Expressway on the 19S when they were really opened up, especially if you had a driver running late who was flooring it....... Only problem with the Lynx was the internal rattles & the suspension didn't seem to absorb pot holes very well, a few times the rear wheels would bang and sound like they'd come through the floor
I actually had the rear axle come out of place on an AG Lynx on the 71 and had the pleasure of a ride in a tow truck while the Lynx had a backwards suspend tow back
Was that from hitting a deep pot hole? Or just a failure?
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2013, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2013, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2013, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 23, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
TWM obviously knew of the 'fastness' of the lynx and used it in advertising. The 993/4 leaflets advertising them as 'fast and efficient vehicles'.
QN Lynx's used to shift along Quinton Expressway on the 19S when they were really opened up, especially if you had a driver running late who was flooring it....... Only problem with the Lynx was the internal rattles & the suspension didn't seem to absorb pot holes very well, a few times the rear wheels would bang and sound like they'd come through the floor
I actually had the rear axle come out of place on an AG Lynx on the 71 and had the pleasure of a ride in a tow truck while the Lynx had a backwards suspend tow back
Was that from hitting a deep pot hole? Or just a failure?
Not exactly sure, it was just before AG lost them and the last few only tended to do peak work, so I deliberately did a one trip evening peak board to get a Lynx. Drove to Sutton OK, but it started crabbing on the way back, and clipping central reservation bollards, so I stopped and checked it and the offside wheel was further back in the arch than the nearside wheel
Quote from: Kevin on June 23, 2013, 07:41:06 PM
Apologies for keeping "off topic" (before I get slated for doing so - it's just where the conversation is heading at the moment)...
A case point about some buses being faster / not being faster than others:
On me way home from work on Friday I caught 4309 (Trident) on the X51 from town at about 6pm. It was full to the brim, so had a good few extra tonnes of weight to move. Pulling away from the Bartons Arms lights in Newtown it managed to outpace a fairly empty Gemini.
Not trying to say "I know these buses are faster than others", just stating what happened.
I'd assume the Trident driver put his foot to the floor whereas the Gemini driver probably cruised off. Which batch of Geminis was it from? As I'm sure most modern Geminis (54, 06) would outpull a 51-plate Trident if both drivers had their foot to the floor
Are all of the E400Hs at Wolverhampton still branded for the 1?
Quote from: John on June 23, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
Are all of the E400Hs at Wolverhampton still branded for the 1?
Yes they are, 5410 did lose its onside branding for a short time due to an accident but it was reapplied a while back
Quote from: John on June 23, 2013, 09:40:12 PM
Are all of the E400Hs at Wolverhampton still branded for the 1?
Yes. But i don't think all should be branded as they appear of route anyway with 5413/6 on the 59
I will stop reporting E400H on the 59 and 126 as unusual soon as it's happening so often lately! Bet there's one on the 126 tonight which nobody's noticed
Can't believe the 255/6 haven't seen a Hybrid yet.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2013, 09:47:44 PM
Can't believe the 255/6 haven't seen a Hybrid yet.
5415 has appeared on the 255!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 23, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2013, 09:47:44 PM
Can't believe the 255/6 haven't seen a Hybrid yet.
5415 has appeared on the 255!
Beat me to it. It was the same day as one appeared on the 4 I think and they were on other routes too such as the 25/27 so you may have missed it
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 23, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 23, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 23, 2013, 09:47:44 PM
Can't believe the 255/6 haven't seen a Hybrid yet.
5415 has appeared on the 255!
Beat me to it. It was the same day as one appeared on the 4 I think and they were on other routes too such as the 25/27 so you may have missed it
Really, must have missed that.
As Matt said they have done the 25/27 and 4 (Route 3,5 and 10 aswell matt ;) only joking just the ones i put in on the destination during my garage visit
E400H have appeared on the:
1,4,25,27,59,126,255,529
B5LH have appeared on:
1,25,27,59,79,126,529
Route 1 branded 5515 has done the 59 and 529 aswell
Well a driver did put "10 Perton" in the display once instead of "1 Dudley"!
I have noticed on recent pictures of the Dundee E400Hs, the hybrid hunt - answer 1 etc on the front panel of the Enviros (each one has a different answer number), does anyone know what this is for?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/9177872228/
5518 at 8pm this evening, near Beacon Centre...
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2806%2F9196928906_637035fcc3_z.jpg&hash=d7cbfe9d286450f94cbdfb95dce114d76ccf4eb3)
Quote from: John on July 02, 2013, 10:17:28 PM
I have noticed on recent pictures of the Dundee E400Hs, the hybrid hunt - answer 1 etc on the front panel of the Enviros (each one has a different answer number), does anyone know what this is for?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/9177872228/
John,
It was a competition in conjunction with Radio Tay designed to make people aware of the new Hybrids features/benefits etc
http://nationalexpressgroup.com/media/allnews.aspx?newsitem=897
Quote from: Winston on July 02, 2013, 11:57:59 PM
John,
It was a competition in conjunction with Radio Tay designed to make people aware of the new Hybrids features/benefits etc
http://nationalexpressgroup.com/media/allnews.aspx?newsitem=897
Thanks Winston. Thats great :)
5510/11 and another B5 on the 59 and 5513 on the 126
And 1 at west park at the weekend for photo's in the cab
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 11, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
5510/11 and another B5 on the 59 and 5513 on the 126
I saw 5514 on the 1, so it must be 5512 also on the 59.
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
And 1 at west park at the weekend for photo's in the cab
Yes the City show. One less hybrid on the 59 on sunday unless a E400H stands in
Quote from: Andrew on July 11, 2013, 08:44:55 PM
And 1 at west park at the weekend for photo's in the cab
Think i might pop along although i have already been in the cab of a WN E400H
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 11, 2013, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 11, 2013, 08:36:33 PM
5510/11 and another B5 on the 59 and 5513 on the 126
I saw 5514 on the 1, so it must be 5512 also on the 59.
I saw 5512 on the 1 this evening
5513 on 33/32/11 tonight, spotted at around 23:00 so not sure exactly what time it came on, however 5513 was on peak 1 board, so I assume after it finished those duties :D
Quote from: Driver03 on July 12, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
5513 on 33/32/11 tonight, spotted at around 23:00 so not sure exactly what time it came on, however 5513 was on peak 1 board, so I assume after it finished those duties :D
5513 has been on the 126 today, or this afternoon/evening at least ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 12, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
Quote from: Driver03 on July 12, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
5513 on 33/32/11 tonight, spotted at around 23:00 so not sure exactly what time it came on, however 5513 was on peak 1 board, so I assume after it finished those duties :D
5513 has been on the 126 today, or this afternoon/evening at least ;D
I know for sure I saw a Volvo Hybrid on there last night at 23:00 I'm gonna collar the driver and find out exactly what fleet no. it was ;D
Finally been on all WN hybrids
Route 1 branded 5515 on the 59
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
Finally been on all WN hybrids
I think I did all of them ages ago but I might not have done 5421 (that's the only one I'm not sure of)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 13, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
Finally been on all WN hybrids
I think I did all of them ages ago but I might not have done 5421 (that's the only one I'm not sure of)
I've done that one, it stalks me lol
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 13, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
Finally been on all WN hybrids
I think I did all of them ages ago but I might not have done 5421 (that's the only one I'm not sure of)
I've done that one, it stalks me lol
Which was your last Hybrid to get?
I keep seeing 5417 but never manage to catch it and its the last one i need to get to complete WN hybrids
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 13, 2013, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 13, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
Quote from: Andrew on July 13, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
Finally been on all WN hybrids
I think I did all of them ages ago but I might not have done 5421 (that's the only one I'm not sure of)
I've done that one, it stalks me lol
Which was your last Hybrid to get?
5416
Had 5416 on the 59 a few sundays ago
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 13, 2013, 10:25:29 PM
Had 5416 on the 59 a few sundays ago
See, you had it before me and I live on the route it's branded for
I rode 5501 on a full 24 this evening and after being used to the WN B5s, this one sounded rougher, felt slower and was very rattly! I guess age takes its toll on even the most expensive of buses, even if it is only coming up to its second birthday.
I didn't realise buses celebrated birthdays!
As the average life span of a decker is 20 years, and the life expectancy of a young bus enthusiast maybe 80 (so long as they're not barred from internet forums too often), then isn't 5501 actually "nearly 8 in bus years."
5501 was off the road for accident repairs for several months after being hit by a stolen car, so should have less wear and tear and mileage than the rest of the BC Hybrids. I rode on it this week and it seemed fine to me but I've never been on one of the WN ones for comparison purposes.
I've noticed the B5s often have rattles where the emergency break glass hammer is.
Quote from: Mike K on July 14, 2013, 09:33:32 AM
5501 was off the road for accident repairs for several months after being hit by a stolen car, so should have less wear and tear and mileage than the rest of the BC Hybrids. I rode on it this week and it seemed fine to me but I've never been on one of the WN ones for comparison purposes.
I've noticed the B5s often have rattles where the emergency break glass hammer is.
Indeed. It also lost its leaves on the Offside. Back on now though.
I wonder when they'll repaint these into NXWM? Or is the green to stay until they expire in a good few years in the future?
WN 59 was fully B5 operated last night. 4 buses needed at night being 5510/1/2/4
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
;D There is a Cock Inn on the 140/241 route as well. Wonder if it will be announced if the 140/241 ever gets talking buses
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
Does the 1 have talking buses now ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
Does the 1 have talking buses now ?
Yes the WN1 has talking buses.
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
Does the 1 have talking buses now ?
Yes Nathan the announcements were working a few months ago. There is a part on the 1 (Tettenhall Rd) that has a bit of a malfunction
How long they been talking for now ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
How long they been talking for now ?
A few months now
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
How long they been talking for now ?
As John said but a few either sometimes don't work or can't hear the announcements very well
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 07:35:12 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 09, 2013, 04:18:53 PM
Why don't they announce The Fighting Cock in Wolverhampton on the 1?
Was on the 22 today and they announced The Cock Inn.
Does the 1 have talking buses now ?
Yes Nathan the announcements were working a few months ago. There is a part on the 1 (Tettenhall Rd) that has a bit of a malfunction
Where is the malfunction? I've never noticed one.
There's a couple that I've never heard, despite sitting near the speakers.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
How long they been talking for now ?
As John said but a few either sometimes don't work or can't hear the announcements very well
Look forward to hearing it when I travel on the one sometime -D, does TGB still operate the 558 ?
Well its on the tettenhall road/the rock junction. Supposed to say Tettenhall Rd then another road but only says tettenhall rd same as it not saying fighting cocks
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
How long they been talking for now ?
As John said but a few either sometimes don't work or can't hear the announcements very well
Look forward to hearing it when I travel on the one sometime -D, does TGB still operate the 558 ?
No TGB stopoed operating the 558 a few months back. They only operate the 50 now
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 09, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
How long they been talking for now ?
As John said but a few either sometimes don't work or can't hear the announcements very well
Look forward to hearing it when I travel on the one sometime -D, does TGB still operate the 558 ?
TGB withdrew the 558 (along with the 64) on 17th of May. They only operate the 50 now along with the 50A which runs one journey each way per day (Redditch - Birmingham early morning, Birmingham - Redditch late afternoon)
Tony, I see from the main site that one of your buses yesterday was 5407. What do you make of the Hybrids and do you have a preferred vehicle type from a driver's perspective?
Seems not everyone likes Hybrid Buses
http://www.busandcoach.travel/en/latest_news/new_yorks_mta_to_swap_out_hybrid_bus_engines_for_diesel.htm
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 14, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
Seems not everyone likes Hybrid Buses
http://www.busandcoach.travel/en/latest_news/new_yorks_mta_to_swap_out_hybrid_bus_engines_for_diesel.htm
Interesting reading. I would like to see the figures for 'Eco-Pack' Full Diesels, so stop-start and brake heat regeneration etc vs. The figures for Hybrid technology. They would have to be considerably close, especially for the MTA to withdraw completely from the programme. I understand the US has different emissions rulings but will make to draw comparisons.
Quote from: Mike K on August 31, 2013, 09:09:14 AM
Tony, I see from the main site that one of your buses yesterday was 5407. What do you make of the Hybrids and do you have a preferred vehicle type from a driver's perspective?
Missed this question when it was posted
I always prefer Volvo/Wright. The Enviro is 'easier' to drive but there is something about the Volvo/Wright combination that comes across as quality. I see Simon Dunn has said the same for Rotala. Wrights build quality bodies!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2013, 10:05:23 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 31, 2013, 09:09:14 AM
Tony, I see from the main site that one of your buses yesterday was 5407. What do you make of the Hybrids and do you have a preferred vehicle type from a driver's perspective?
Missed this question when it was posted
I always prefer Volvo/Wright. The Enviro is 'easier' to drive but there is something about the Volvo/Wright combination that comes across as quality. I see Simon Dunn has said the same for Rotala. Wrights build quality bodies!
100% agree from a passenger perspective as well! Just have a feeling they will outlive the ADL's, and the legroom upstairs, just huge, rivals a Spectra
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2013, 10:05:23 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 31, 2013, 09:09:14 AM
Tony, I see from the main site that one of your buses yesterday was 5407. What do you make of the Hybrids and do you have a preferred vehicle type from a driver's perspective?
Missed this question when it was posted
I always prefer Volvo/Wright. The Enviro is 'easier' to drive but there is something about the Volvo/Wright combination that comes across as quality. I see Simon Dunn has said the same for Rotala. Wrights build quality bodies!
Totally agree Tony, driving both types fairly regularly I absolutely love a B5 turning up for my relief, they are very very well built and so so smooth, if only they would of extended the wheelbase and made them slightly longer (more lower seating) and increse the speed from which it goes onto diesel to 20mph to eveviate the small delay from the engine starting and changing gear, then they would wipe the floor with ADLs!
Are you at WN or BC Driver03? If at WN try 5516, it seems to go almost double the amount of time in electric power, even changing up a gear before the engine engages
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 15, 2013, 10:22:33 AM
Are you at WN or BC Driver03? If at WN try 5516, it seems to go almost double the amount of time in electric power, even changing up a gear before the engine engages
Driver03 is a WN driver :) . He does drive the 1 on a regular basis and has drove a couple of B5's on the 59 aswell :) Tbh I like both types of Hybrid (E400H and B5LH) although the B5 possibly just edges it for me
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 15, 2013, 10:22:33 AM
Are you at WN or BC Driver03? If at WN try 5516, it seems to go almost double the amount of time in electric power, even changing up a gear before the engine engages
Nath is correct I'm WN, I've driven 5516 quite a few times ( I had it nearly everyday one week ;D ) 5516 is by far my favourite bus, it's got a nice little quirk in that there is a little rattle in the cab and to me it gives it personality ;) I also agree that it does and as my previous comment if they all drove similar to 5516 Volvo would have a winner on their hands, coupled with longer length to accommodate more seated passengers downstairs of course!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 15, 2013, 10:22:33 AM
Are you at WN or BC Driver03? If at WN try 5516, it seems to go almost double the amount of time in electric power, even changing up a gear before the engine engages
Driver03 is a WN driver :) . He does drive the 1 on a regular basis and has drove a couple of B5's on the 59 aswell :) Tbh I like both types of Hybrid (E400H and B5LH) although the B5 possibly just edges it for me
Thanks for answering that question for me Nath being as I couldn't reply straight away 8). Much appreciated!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
Matt they have the Volvo I-Shift gearbox which has 12 gears buddy.
Does anyone know what the top speed of a B5 is, and the Enviro? I'm pretty sure an Enviro hybrid I had on the 126 maxed it, would've only been 45-50 mph.
I would imagine the B5 with its 12 gears could really shift on a motorway
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
I knew I had heard from somewhere that the B5's had 12 gears ;) Tbh I have heard quite a few drivers complain about the B5's (Especially on the 59!) but that was when they were new so I suppose the drivers were used to driving tridents and Spectra's
The main reason drivers complained about B5s was because they "forced" you to apply the handbrake before you can open the doors ( which is correct procedure might I add :) ) and to drivers they say it slowed them down. Now they are into the routine it's no slower to them ;D
After a day driving B5s I feel like a proper driver, they just reward you more and more when you drive them properly 8)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:18:04 PM
Does anyone know what the top speed of a B5 is, and the Enviro? I'm pretty sure an Enviro hybrid I had on the 126 maxed it, would've only been 45-50 mph.
I would imagine the B5 with its 12 gears could really shift on a motorway
Top speed on E400H is 43-45mph due to technical reasons (I suspect that the engine can't generate enough electricity to go faster) Volvo is restricted to 51mph but I don't doubt they could far exceed that if not restricted ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
I agree somewhat with what you say, Matt. Too many gears and very, well it isn't a jerk but more of a lurch similar to B7RLE, lurchy gear changes. (It is emphasized by the massive gap between changes!) Smooth up to 10mph then nothing. Deadly at 5-ways and other junctions.
The B5 I find to be very comfortable, albeit 'cozy' in the cab. I found it easy to drive the B5's, very light steering and light everything actually. Shame the handbrake needs to be applied before the doors open. Its short wheelbase makes it incredibly maneuverable, but shame as you say about interior space. I think its a good looking brute.
However, the ADL I don't think is fully refined either. Yes, I think it is a better choice, but with the auto-retarder and other discrepancies, I don't reckon its quite 'there' yet. (And its Stop-Start system is.. interesting)
Indeed, once both manufacturers iron out the issues, they'll both be equal. In my opinion anyway.
But in either case, I'd prefer a high-economy full oil burner block, with stop-start and brake heat regeneration etc.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
I agree somewhat with what you say, Matt. Too many gears and very, well it isn't a jerk but more of a lurch similar to B7RLE, lurchy gear changes. (It is emphasized by the massive gap between changes!) Smooth up to 10mph then nothing. Deadly at 5-ways and other junctions.
The B5 I find to be very comfortable, albeit 'cozy' in the cab. I found it easy to drive the B5's, very light steering and light everything actually. Shame the handbrake needs to be applied before the doors open. Its short wheelbase makes it incredibly maneuverable, but shame as you say about interior space. I think its a good looking brute.
However, the ADL I don't think is fully refined either. Yes, I think it is a better choice, but with the auto-retarder and other discrepancies, I don't reckon its quite 'there' yet. (And its Stop-Start system is.. interesting)
Indeed, once both manufacturers iron out the issues, they'll both be equal. In my opinion anyway.
But in either case, I'd prefer a high-economy full oil burner block, with stop-start and brake heat regeneration etc.
The only reason for delay in gear changes is because its a manual transmission with automatic clutch, if you take your foot of the accelerator when's its due to change (similar to how you drive a manual car etc) gear changes are silky smooth as the bus doesn't need to do it for you, hence my comment about feeling like a proper driver after a day driving them ;D
Quote from: Driver03 on September 15, 2013, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
I agree somewhat with what you say, Matt. Too many gears and very, well it isn't a jerk but more of a lurch similar to B7RLE, lurchy gear changes. (It is emphasized by the massive gap between changes!) Smooth up to 10mph then nothing. Deadly at 5-ways and other junctions.
The B5 I find to be very comfortable, albeit 'cozy' in the cab. I found it easy to drive the B5's, very light steering and light everything actually. Shame the handbrake needs to be applied before the doors open. Its short wheelbase makes it incredibly maneuverable, but shame as you say about interior space. I think its a good looking brute.
However, the ADL I don't think is fully refined either. Yes, I think it is a better choice, but with the auto-retarder and other discrepancies, I don't reckon its quite 'there' yet. (And its Stop-Start system is.. interesting)
Indeed, once both manufacturers iron out the issues, they'll both be equal. In my opinion anyway.
But in either case, I'd prefer a high-economy full oil burner block, with stop-start and brake heat regeneration etc.
The only reason for delay in gear changes is because its a manual transmission with automatic clutch, if you take your foot of the accelerator when's its due to change (similar to how you drive a manual car etc) gear changes are silky smooth as the bus doesn't need to do it for you, hence my comment about feeling like a proper driver after a day driving them ;D
Well yes I knew how to drive them without a clutch so to speak but you seem to be missing the point, its supposed to be automatic. Do the work for us. Hence why the E400's are superior. :P
Also, the B5's seem to have weak shock absorbion. They just keep bouncing!
Alexander Dennis need to start putting their bodies together better before they come anywhere near Wrights. 4898 I had Friday and yesterday has more rattles and squeaks and loose fittings than a twelve year old B6 from Wrights
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
Alexander Dennis need to start putting their bodies together better before they come anywhere near Wrights. 4898 I had Friday and yesterday has more rattles and squeaks and loose fittings than a twelve year old B6 from Wrights
Notice the cab door rattling? It is shoddy to say the least. Even with that top slide lock in place it still flaps around. I remember a Trident some years ago, I took it out of garage, turned left and the assult screen fell out! It didn't seem loose at the time but you would've thought that'll be the last thing to fall off.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 12:35:45 PM
Quote from: Driver03 on September 15, 2013, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
I agree somewhat with what you say, Matt. Too many gears and very, well it isn't a jerk but more of a lurch similar to B7RLE, lurchy gear changes. (It is emphasized by the massive gap between changes!) Smooth up to 10mph then nothing. Deadly at 5-ways and other junctions.
The B5 I find to be very comfortable, albeit 'cozy' in the cab. I found it easy to drive the B5's, very light steering and light everything actually. Shame the handbrake needs to be applied before the doors open. Its short wheelbase makes it incredibly maneuverable, but shame as you say about interior space. I think its a good looking brute.
However, the ADL I don't think is fully refined either. Yes, I think it is a better choice, but with the auto-retarder and other discrepancies, I don't reckon its quite 'there' yet. (And its Stop-Start system is.. interesting)
Indeed, once both manufacturers iron out the issues, they'll both be equal. In my opinion anyway.
But in either case, I'd prefer a high-economy full oil burner block, with stop-start and brake heat regeneration etc.
The only reason for delay in gear changes is because its a manual transmission with automatic clutch, if you take your foot of the accelerator when's its due to change (similar to how you drive a manual car etc) gear changes are silky smooth as the bus doesn't need to do it for you, hence my comment about feeling like a proper driver after a day driving them ;D
Well yes I knew how to drive them without a clutch so to speak but you seem to be missing the point, its supposed to be automatic. Do the work for us. Hence why the E400's are superior. :P
Also, the B5's seem to have weak shock absorbion. They just keep bouncing!
Well I guess you have a point there but to be fair I do really like the system, it's as close to manual driving your ever going to get if like me and most other we only have auto PCV licences :-[
Got to admit that I do like the bouncy effect on b5s like on Spectras it makes the ride that much quiter ;D
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
Alexander Dennis need to start putting their bodies together better before they come anywhere near Wrights. 4898 I had Friday and yesterday has more rattles and squeaks and loose fittings than a twelve year old B6 from Wrights
Tony I totally agree there! ADL interior is awful build quality and feels cheap, even back on Tridents, except the old 41xx series, they seemed better quality!
But then some of the Wright B7's do go against some of the points raised here, 2114 in particular I went on Friday was truly horrible, the whole body shook about and rattled and the axle knock was terrible, but thats probably just an exception to the rule and anyway all Enviro 300's are horrible!
The Wrights do generally seem a lot better built than the ADLs, the Geminis are strong, durable buses, you can tell they were built well, ALX 400s look thin and weak in comparison
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 15, 2013, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
Alexander Dennis need to start putting their bodies together better before they come anywhere near Wrights. 4898 I had Friday and yesterday has more rattles and squeaks and loose fittings than a twelve year old B6 from Wrights
Notice the cab door rattling? It is shoddy to say the least. Even with that top slide lock in place it still flaps around. I remember a Trident some years ago, I took it out of garage, turned left and the assult screen fell out! It didn't seem loose at the time but you would've thought that'll be the last thing to fall off.
WN E400H's were starting to rattle the 1st week in service
E200s are also quite bad for squeaking and rattling and they're not even a year old yet.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM
The B5 is a shambles ::) they are too slow at pulling off and throw you down the stairs at every gear change. God knows how many gears it has. Most drivers find them too difficult to drive and hate them. Plus it's too narrow inside, that and a lack of downstairs seats leads to overcrowding. Plus Geminis are ugly ;)
The Enviro is clearly the superior choice, pulls off smoothly, much quieter, and is just so much faster than the B5! Much more seats, the bodywork is more attractive and plenty more interior space. Generally more reliable than the B5s too. I would expect the majority, if not all, of NXWM's next Hybrid order will be from ADL.
I'd question the point about reliability, both types at BC seem pretty good reliability wise although the E400Hs seemed to have more teething problems initially (this is anecdotal, not based on any stats). And I thought WN's E400Hs have also had issues. I know you will notice B5 breakdowns more with Nathan living on the 59 route but given the problems some other operators have had with their E400Hs I remain unconvinced. Incidentally I think from a passenger perspective both types are excellent.
Tbh I have only noticed 1 or 2 buses that have mainly have had minor defects so really me and matt don't really notice many reliability issues. I have seen more issues with the E400H. B5's aren't that unreliable and as I have said I really can not choose which is my favourite type of hybrid as they have both grown on me.
And as others have said 5516 is by far better than the other WN B5's :)
Either way both types have their issues and both of them won't be perfect but as matt says the E400 can be very fast pulling off and generally fast anyway however the B5's can be fast but are slow pulling off.
I prefer the E400H myself, way better than B5HL's, next time I ride the 22/23/24 Ill have to see how fast a B5HL pulls off compared to a E400H, Ive found the ones at BC can pull of pretty quick ?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 15, 2013, 06:36:43 PM
Either way both types have their issues and both of them won't be perfect but as matt says the E400 can be very fast pulling off and generally fast anyway however the B5's can be fast but are slow pulling off.
I hope you notice which of the two types is going to Showbus!
The one that is better to drive over a distance and is fairly certain to get back.
Unless anything happens between now and then 5510 is the vehicle to go
Well i am quite fond of the B5 and i am happy to have tmem as part of the 59 allocation :)
As i found out today B5's can be very fast (Bus was 5513 on the 59)
Tony, Do you know why 5514 was entered aswell?
If passengers and drivers prefer the B5LH, why did they buy more of the E400H?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on September 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
If passengers and drivers prefer the B5LH, why did they buy more of the E400H?
Don't why but NX seem to favour ADL Double Deckers maybe due to their good Relationship after buying from them for years (The Trident days). As reported before didn't Stagecoach send back some of the E400H due to them having problems? And i remember some E400H broke down at WN in the first few weeks (Don't seem to be many breakdown problems with either type now)
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on September 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
If passengers and drivers prefer the B5LH, why did they buy more of the E400H?
Probably cheaper
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on September 15, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
If passengers and drivers prefer the B5LH, why did they buy more of the E400H?
Drivers don't really prefer the B5, Driver03 with his supreme driving skills ;) has mastered them, but many other drivers find the gear system complicated and don't like them
Shame ill never get to drive them (:, as. I want to work from WA, an they don't operate Hybrids (:
I'm a passenger, and I don't prefer the B5 at all!
I prefer the B5s, the E400H may look nice on the outside, but I've had more comfortable rides in the B5s, I'd always choose Wright over ADL
Personally I think the B5 is better as it is quieter and does feel more comfortable. I also think the Wright Gemini bodywork is more stylish - it does not look so much like a box on wheels (compare a boxy looking Trident to a Gemini bodied bus and you'll see what I mean.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 18, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
Personally I think the B5 is better as it is quieter and does feel more comfortable. I also think the Wright Gemini bodywork is more stylish - it does not look so much like a box on wheels (compare a boxy looking Trident to a Gemini bodied bus and you'll see what I mean.
I would disagree with the point about it being quieter, you can hear them from a mile off - not that this is a bad thing though, it's one of the only things I like about the B5!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 18, 2013, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 18, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
Personally I think the B5 is better as it is quieter and does feel more comfortable. I also think the Wright Gemini bodywork is more stylish - it does not look so much like a box on wheels (compare a boxy looking Trident to a Gemini bodied bus and you'll see what I mean.
I would disagree with the point about it being quieter, you can hear them from a mile off - not that this is a bad thing though, it's one of the only things I like about the B5!
But have you heard the joke 'Looks like the back end of a bus?' Well Gemini Or B5 that sums it up.. hideous and you can hear a B5 a mile off with all that cluncking and clicking as the engine cuts in & out ...I physically feel pain when that happens. The ADL may have a more complicated system but is much smoother to drive & ride and they have more seats ;D
Quote from: Zach Jordan on April 21, 2012, 11:16:48 AM
The latter Wolverhampton Tridents (126 branded ones, and a few others I think but don't know exact numbers) are also Voith, and I presume (but not certain) that the Pershore Road 46xx Tridents are also Voith (if anyone can confirm that'd be great!). Basically, the Y-TOHs, BX02s and BV52s are all voith, with the BJ03s, BL53s being ZF. There is then a split with some BU04s being ZF, some being voith. Its been that long since I travelled on a BX54, I can't remember what they are! To avoid questions like this further down, all of the B7TLs are ZF except the ALX400s which are voith - apparently the Coventry Gemini's are also Voith, but I've had conflicting stories on this one!
Tridents from 4125 up to 4405 have 3 Speed Voith Gearboxes, Tridents from 4405-4564 and 4585-4634 have a 5 Speed ZF gearbox with 4565-84 having a 4 Speed Voith Gearbox
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 28, 2013, 07:18:00 AM
Quote from: Zach Jordan on April 21, 2012, 11:16:48 AM
The latter Wolverhampton Tridents (126 branded ones, and a few others I think but don't know exact numbers) are also Voith, and I presume (but not certain) that the Pershore Road 46xx Tridents are also Voith (if anyone can confirm that'd be great!). Basically, the Y-TOHs, BX02s and BV52s are all voith, with the BJ03s, BL53s being ZF. There is then a split with some BU04s being ZF, some being voith. Its been that long since I travelled on a BX54, I can't remember what they are! To avoid questions like this further down, all of the B7TLs are ZF except the ALX400s which are voith - apparently the Coventry Gemini's are also Voith, but I've had conflicting stories on this one!
Tridents from 4125 up to 4405 have 3 Speed Voith Gearboxes, Tridents from 4405-4564 and 4585-4634 have a 5 Speed ZF gearbox with 4565-84 having a 4 Speed Voith Gearbox
Thank me for telling you that. ;)
No i knew that anyway ;D (Only joking, I already knew most of it apart from the difference between the 3 and 4 spd voith).
Serious question, I'm not been sarcastic. What is with the fascination with the gearboxes? They all do the same job of changing from one gear to another
Quote from: John on October 28, 2013, 09:27:51 AM
Serious question, I'm not been sarcastic. What is with the fascination with the gearboxes? They all do the same job of changing from one gear to another
Its the sound of the box Johnny! And smoothness etc etc... (pretty boring topic if your not technologically minded)
I saw a Volvo B5L near Digbeth today, around 1520, it wasn't in service, but looked quite unusual - despite the garage being up the road
Quote from: clayderman on October 28, 2013, 09:07:52 PM
I saw a Volvo B5L near Digbeth today, around 1520, it wasn't in service, but looked quite unusual - despite the garage being up the road
There's one that takes up an afternoon peak working on the 22/23 that comes up from Digbeth at around that time, it sometimes already has the display set for the 23.
Quote from: John on October 28, 2013, 09:27:51 AM
Serious question, I'm not been sarcastic. What is with the fascination with the gearboxes? They all do the same job of changing from one gear to another
The gearbox also includes the retarder which has a big influence on how the bus sounds the classic Metrobus Voith sound being a typical example 42 series B7TL and some WN Tridents (especially 4565) although do not sound like Metro's have similar characteristics. I refer to Voiths As Having A 'Whistle' Whereas ZF have a 'Whoop'
To sum up these youtube clips tells you all you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmjUWoUX-sI&list=PLDB0E0C1855D67B80&index=13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbFVnlyjaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_zqklbcf6U
5417 sounds like a bag of spanners today