NX Hybrids

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

[Tony]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

[4006]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

[Trident 4609]

Back to my question earlier on the forum, Could anybody tell me why there were no hybrids on the 1 or 59 today?

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

[winston]

but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge

Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?

Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly

[Kevin]

but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge

Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?

Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly

No particular expert on buses but when I was in Sheffield over Easter I took the opportunity to travel on on of the E400H (on the 43? seems familiar as a number) and the bus seemed to cope fine, and by christ that was a hilly route

[winston]

but apparently the regenerative braking system is too efficient and causing the batteries to overcharge

Am I the only one to find this particular statement hilarious? Too efficient? When designing it all did they just assume some parts would be a "bodge job" so didnt account for it to work properly?

Looks that way...... the wording wasn't mine, it was thought to be the reason behind the recall/frequent breakdowns & posted on the South Yorkshire forum. I'm not an electrical engineer, but if the reason is correct, its sounds as the setup is incorrect & could be causing a safety devise to trip/shut down the bus. It may also be down to the terrain the bus are operating in, as Sheffield is very hilly

No particular expert on buses but when I was in Sheffield over Easter I took the opportunity to travel on on of the E400H (on the 43? seems familiar as a number) and the bus seemed to cope fine, and by christ that was a hilly route

I think this particular batch are on the Stagecoach 120 in Sheffield-Halfway, I was thinking more along the lines of that the brakes need to work harder to stop a bus coming down hill and will therefore generate more energy to put back in the batteries than on a flat road (the regenerative bit)

[4006]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem

[4006]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem

Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem

Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!

I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...

[4006]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem

Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!

I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...

I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent  ::) ::) ::)

[nitromatt1]

So basically, the E400H is too good

I wonder what's different about these newer ones compared with the 61 plates. The BC ones did have some early teething issues and there were a couple of weeks where there were a load of breakdowns, but they seem fine these days, with a full complement of them consistently out in service.

The BC ones are generally faster too, although of course they vary individually (5406 seems slightly slower)

Impressions are wonderful things, but not always correct

In this case they are, I could be wrong about 5406 being slower but the BC E400Hs are faster than the WN ones. Fact.

Fact.... Not.....necessarily! (however you spell it) unless you have phsically driven both buses from both garages on a regular basis it would be impossible to tell which (if any) are quicker or slower. A fast bus can be driven slowly and like wise a slow but be hammered so it seams like its faster, different drivers different styles, different routes different timmings. For example you ride a WN Spectra on the 25 you'll find it nice and slow, ride one on the 126 though!!!!

No, every time I'm on a BC E400H it's faster than a WN E400H. No coincidence. I don't know why they are, but you'll have to accept it

So You have driven both..regularly?

Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. You wouldn't understand. The BC Hybrids are faster, I can offer no explanation for it but if you can't accept it then that's your problem

Obviously from someone who has never drove a bus & can 'offer no explination' Quote! would not understand anything in relation to performance of one. If you cannot judge a bus by driving one I quote 'Trust me, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance' how on God's earth would you judge its performance then?...Isn't that what they do on Top Gear...errr drive a car to judge its performance???
In essence What your saying is you can tell a good book without even reading it first!!!
Riding One thing...Driving completely different!

I repeat, you don't need to drive a bus to be able to judge its performance. I've ridden both types more times than I care to remember and the acceleration (not talking about top speed) of the BC examples is always noticably faster than the WN examples. I don't know why this is the case, but I'm just describing the facts, not explaining the technical reasons behind them. I really am not bothered what you have to say, because I know I'm right...

I give up have it your way! I can't be bothered to argue with a 15yr old who thinks they know it all
Guess what though everyone I've got news.....You can actually judge a vehicles performance without even driving it these days!!! Ch**** whatever next...talentless people will be able to judge talentless people on britains got talent  ::) ::) ::)

I think you need to get some sleep. Or a punchbag. I really am not bothered because I know when I could be right and when I am right, and in this case, I am ;)