Does anyone know if the order has now been placed for the 30 x new midi's due in Dec? And what type we can expect? I would have thought that an order should have been placed by now bearing in mind manufacturing lead times etc and the fact that some will need to be in service prior to the January emission rules coming in to force in B'ham City Centre.
I'm also intrigued to know where the extra buses will be coming from for the increased Pvr's following the Sandwell Review, as this all takes place well before any of the new midi's are due
It does seem that these will be the Wright Streetlite, but hopefully the door forward version, as they are longer than the wheel forward ones, and look a whole lot better! And are similar in size to the B6LE's they are replacing.
Unless they are going to replace the 36** Dart's at West Brom as well, as I have read somewhere that they might not be around for much longer.
Quote from: John-s-91 on September 21, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
It does seem that these will be the Wright Streetlite, but hopefully the door forward version, as they are longer than the wheel forward ones, and look a whole lot better!
What gives you that idea?
The grape vine has it that they will be long wheelbase ADL Enviro 200s x 32 scheduled for delivery late this year
If you are going to get sentimental about the Volvo B6LE nows the time to do it!!! Pensnett's 12 examples don't seem to have much of a future
Quote from: KON320P on September 21, 2012, 11:14:05 AM
The grape vine has it that they will be long wheelbase ADL Enviro 200s x 32 scheduled for delivery late this year
Thanks KON320P,
I don't understand why NX seem to be so secretive in announcing what has been ordered for the midi order & the 100 x B7RLE's delivered earlier this year, it not like it's commercially sensitive
Quote from: KON320P on September 21, 2012, 11:16:27 AM
If you are going to get sentimental about the Volvo B6LE nows the time to do it!!! Pensnett's 12 examples don't seem to have much of a future
A year or two ago with the size of the Pensnett B6LE fleet, you'd have thought that they would have been the last to loose their B6LE allocations, it's good to see some investment finally at Pensnett. Just WB that desperately need some new vehicle deliveries now.....
West brom really need new buses but as much as wolverhampton is getting new deckers they are still having mercedes cascaded to them and even the optares (not the spectras as they will go due to new deckers) are still hanging on they need to go too
The Enviro 200s would be a good bus for NX. However I'm surprised they would go for them when they turned down the Enviro 300 three years ago.
Have they even tried an enviro 200 on routes like they did with the streetlite ?
But then again, they do use them for the hotel hoppa
Although its not officially a 'Dart' anymore, is the Enviro 200 still a dart in everything but name?
West Midlands have never been a fan of Darts so maybe they are still put off by them?
Seems like a dart to me. Hansons & arriva both use them so I'd like to see something different from nxwm.
Must admit the streetlite have somthing about them that makes them more appealing to me, but saying that i like central buses long wheelbase enviro 200, so jurys out on prefferance, but as has already been said, why buy a single decker which hasnt been trialed, NX cant of liked the 300 otherwise an order would of been placed, like with the small number of omnicity DDs, anyone know where the old 300 is now oporator wise.
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
but as has already been said, why buy a single decker which hasnt been trialed, NX cant of liked the 300 otherwise an order would of been placed, like with the small number of omnicity DDs, anyone know where the old 300 is now oporator wise.
Hasn't been trialled?
NX have had 32 of them in use for the last 4 years, I think they know what they are capable of. Another 5 have also been added to the fleet in the last year so they also known the current spec
I ment in the west midlands, forgot about the hotel hoppas
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 05:12:18 PM
I ment in the west midlands, forgot about the hotel hoppas
The more recent ones are on a contract for the BBC in Central London so they will have been on stop/start runs, so a good test for the West Midlands
I could cherry pick all my favourite B6LE's (yes a little sentimental moment) but in a nutshell, BC have got the best last few in my opinion
My favs were 528 and 501; also 537 had a excellent engine. Going to miss them really; just a shame they aren't in a better condition inside and externally, with a similar drive line to what the ZF Liberators have.
Didnt the engine from 537 go into 555?
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
but as has already been said, why buy a single decker which hasnt been trialed, NX cant of liked the 300 otherwise an order would of been placed, like with the small number of omnicity DDs, anyone know where the old 300 is now oporator wise.
Hasn't been trialled?
NX have had 32 of them in use for the last 4 years, I think they know what they are capable of. Another 5 have also been added to the fleet in the last year so they also known the current spec
Do you know the reg for the last 5, Tony?
Danny : SN09 CGX (the demonstrator) is now with Newport transport
Quote from: nx4737 on September 24, 2012, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2012, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: danny on September 22, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
but as has already been said, why buy a single decker which hasnt been trialed, NX cant of liked the 300 otherwise an order would of been placed, like with the small number of omnicity DDs, anyone know where the old 300 is now oporator wise.
Hasn't been trialled?
NX have had 32 of them in use for the last 4 years, I think they know what they are capable of. Another 5 have also been added to the fleet in the last year so they also known the current spec
Do you know the reg for the last 5, Tony?
8354 MX61BBE
8355 MX61BBF
8356 MX61BBJ
8357 MX61BBK
8358 MX61BBN
here it is in its new life
http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/MunicipleOperators/Newport-Transport/22953176_t8NZFd#!i=2062049787&k=p3t2JJx&lb=1&s=A
Is there any news of the 30 vehicle midi bus order?
Are any of these required for the new Sandwell network to increase the PVR?
I dont think anything is confirmed but I'm still backing the Enviro 200, it would just make more sense in my eyes.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 10, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
I dont think anything is confirmed but I'm still backing the Enviro 200, it would just make more sense in my eyes.
Yes it has been confirmed as Enviro 200 s
Best be better than the ones Arriva have got at Hill Top, those MX12's have to be some of the most uncomfortable buses I have ever been on with such a noisy engine along with a really cheap interior wouldn't last 5 minutes on the 222, would have preferred the Street lite's but not to worry, obviously didn't think much of the demonstrator they trialled a while back.
Hmmm to what leanth will the enviros be, and when can we expect to see them trundling around the streets :)
Good to hear it is the Enviro 200s. The Stagecoach ones are excellent although it will be a shame that'll they will be in NX Red. What I don't get is why most of the Enviros now have this light design, http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2140.html, but Stagecoach and some of the First ones still seem to be getting the light design without the concave line in it (prefer this)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/ The SN62ABU
http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin65/7986200493/
I assume Nat Ex may go for the concave design as the 400 series has that at NX on later versions, although I hope LEDs are fitted in it as Arriva did.
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 10, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
I dont think anything is confirmed but I'm still backing the Enviro 200, it would just make more sense in my eyes.
Yes it has been confirmed as Enviro 200 s
Must have missed that one, Glad they aren't ordering those horrible Wrightbus Streetlumps!
Any news then on when these will be arriving, and to which garages?
I think its pretty certain that some will head to BC for the 99 service, but will the rest be going to PE or WB, or both?
Pensnett are having some for the 222. Apparently it is 37 seat e200s that is on order
Thats good if theyve got 37 seats as anything smaller is too small frankly
The NXWM website says there will be new buses for the new Sandwell Network:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/improved-bus-services-for-sandwell-from-28th-october-2012?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=improved
So would it be fair to say that these new buses will be some of the new Enviro200s for WB garage?
About time WB got some investment. Hopefully these won't be sent off somewhere else like the Scanias were sent to Walsall...
Yeah i guess if they were for WB it would replace the current b6le's they have there as they will soon have more transferred in from Walsall and the remaining darts alx200 and 7084/7086.
I have a feeling the darts won't be going just yet. I reckon WB will get just enough new buses to kill of the B6 completely. The Darts may well just stay a little while longer.
Quote from: JackC on October 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
I have a feeling the darts won't be going just yet. I reckon WB will get just enough new buses to kill of the B6 completely. The Darts may well just stay a little while longer.
Is there anything wrong with the Darts?
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 10, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
I dont think anything is confirmed but I'm still backing the Enviro 200, it would just make more sense in my eyes.
Yes it has been confirmed as Enviro 200 s
It's Great to hear they're going to be Enviro 200's looking forward to travelling on them :)
Nooooooooo, I wanted streetlites. Never mind ill still be on them first day in service :)
Quote from: nx4737 on October 11, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: JackC on October 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
I have a feeling the darts won't be going just yet. I reckon WB will get just enough new buses to kill of the B6 completely. The Darts may well just stay a little while longer.
Is there anything wrong with the Darts?
Side and rear displays on some of them need replacing or fixing. Maybe they could slot LEDs like the front has. However, it's not a major issue and probably won't be fixed in truth. Mechanically, I've been on a few and they seem pretty fine to me although others could probably give you a better insight.
Does anyone know the quantity & delivery dates?
30 & 32 have previously been mentioned
Quote from: JackC on October 11, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on October 11, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: JackC on October 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
I have a feeling the darts won't be going just yet. I reckon WB will get just enough new buses to kill of the B6 completely. The Darts may well just stay a little while longer.
Is there anything wrong with the Darts?
Side and rear displays on some of them need replacing or fixing. Maybe they could slot LEDs like the front has. However, it's not a major issue and probably won't be fixed in truth. Mechanically, I've been on a few and they seem pretty fine to me although others could probably give you a better insight.
in my opinion they need to go asap. they are potential deathtraps - brakes are terrible, visibility is poor, suspension is non existant especially over speed humps and they rattle like mad, feel like they are going to fall apart. there are a few drivers at the garage who refuse to drive them.
Quote from: wbdriver on October 11, 2012, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: JackC on October 11, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on October 11, 2012, 04:11:33 AM
Quote from: JackC on October 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
I have a feeling the darts won't be going just yet. I reckon WB will get just enough new buses to kill of the B6 completely. The Darts may well just stay a little while longer.
Is there anything wrong with the Darts?
Side and rear displays on some of them need replacing or fixing. Maybe they could slot LEDs like the front has. However, it's not a major issue and probably won't be fixed in truth. Mechanically, I've been on a few and they seem pretty fine to me although others could probably give you a better insight.
in my opinion they need to go asap. they are potential deathtraps - brakes are terrible, visibility is poor, suspension is non existant especially over speed humps and they rattle like mad, feel like they are going to fall apart. there are a few drivers at the garage who refuse to drive them.
Sound like average Darts then!! For me it was always the brakes whenever I drove a Dart, never once felt fully in control of one, they always felt like they were running away from you when you started on the brake and then there was always the sudden grab as it finally kicked in. Impossible buses to drive smoothly and as you say, the wierdest suspension of any bus.
Quote from: Rob H on October 11, 2012, 08:50:04 AM
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 10, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
I dont think anything is confirmed but I'm still backing the Enviro 200, it would just make more sense in my eyes.
Yes it has been confirmed as Enviro 200 s
It's Great to hear they're going to be Enviro 200's looking forward to travelling on them :)
The Enviro 200 is the safest option as its tried & tested and has been in service a number of years, while the door forward Wright Streetlight is relatively new still, but the number of orders for it do seem to be increasing of late
Darts are awful. Blue Diamond have that whole fleet of them and when some turned up on the S2 a few times earlier this year they were terrible. Engine strained, rattle like mad, suspension is pretty bouncy to say the least and they aren't smooth at all. The Plaxton pointer (55 reg with seat belt seats) turned up a few times and was a world away. Good all round with it beating the Solos by miles.
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 11, 2012, 08:03:16 PM
Darts are awful. Blue Diamond have that whole fleet of them and when some turned up on the S2 a few times earlier this year they were terrible. Engine strained, rattle like mad, suspension is pretty bouncy to say the least and they aren't smooth at all. The Plaxton pointer (55 reg with seat belt seats) turned up a few times and was a world away. Good all round with it beating the Solos by miles.
Darts are tons better than solos. Neither are fantastic-cheap buses not built to last....Something to last-you need step entrance!!
The midibus order has been confirmed by National Express as for 30 10.8m Enviro 200's in Bus and Coach Week today.
I bought a copy today. Was an interesting read.
Quote from: wbdriver on October 11, 2012, 01:15:23 PM
in my opinion they need to go asap. they are potential deathtraps - brakes are terrible, visibility is poor, suspension is non existant especially over speed humps and they rattle like mad, feel like they are going to fall apart. there are a few drivers at the garage who refuse to drive them.
Interesting - I'd agree with the rattling and banging and also the surging ride..........but they're one of the most successful buses ever produced in the UK. OK they're a little old now but are they any worse that a Volvo B6LE? 10 years + for a single decker of this type (they appear very lightweight in terms of construction), and they surely are going to be clapped out? I travel on 15 yr old ones occassionally - the Plaxton Pointer bodies rattle like hell.
I'm surprised anyone gets away with refusing to drive a perfectly roadworthy vehicle these days - it used to happen in the 70s, along with loads of other industrial maladies long outdated.
Great news on the midibus order.
The darts at WB 3601-3614 seem ok for the right services at WB they get used often on the 428/429 and seem to get very busy at times for me those services need a b6le at least maybe even mercs at times especially when the school children come out of Wodensborough shcool. WB driver do you know what services the darts will be used on when the new sandwell review comes into place. In my opinion the worst buses at WB have to be 7084/7086 prefer a b6le anyday.
QuoteIn my opinion the worst buses at WB have to be 7084/7086 prefer a b6le anyday.
They're Darts too, but with the Wright Crusader bodywork, same as used on the B6LEs.
As for the midi-bus order, I wasn't too fussed whether they went with the Enviro200 Darts or the Wright Streetlite, but I'm glad they didn't go for the wheel-forward version, as recently purchased by Silverline.
Wouldnt surprise me if some Solo's get the boot tbh they seem unreliable.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 14, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if some Solo's get the boot tbh they seem unreliable.
The Enviro 200's due at both PE & BC will directly replace Volvo B6LE's on the 222 & 99, the remainder due for WB will also more than likely be B6LE replacements
Quote from: Winston on October 14, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 14, 2012, 07:49:02 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if some Solo's get the boot tbh they seem unreliable.
The Enviro 200's due at both PE & BC will directly replace Volvo B6LE's on the 222 & 99, the remainder due for WB will also more than likely be B6LE replacements
Will BC receive 11 Enviro 200's as there is currently 11 B6's at BC?
How many buses does 222 require?
Apparently they are to be split between the 222/243 at Pensnett
Quote from: Tomjusttom on October 14, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
Apparently they are to be split between the 222/243 at Pensnett
Sounds as though that will seal the fate of Volvo B6LE operation at PE then, PE currently has 12 x B6LE remaining whether they'll get the full 12 or slightly less due to fewer engineering spares being required.
BC has the 11 x B6LE, but I don't think the 99 needs that many buses, as B6LE often seem to be appearing on other BC routes of late
It looks as though WB will be lucky to get 10 x Enviro 200's which will not be enough to see off the remaining B6LE's there
Quote from: Winston on October 14, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on October 14, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
Apparently they are to be split between the 222/243 at Pensnett
Sounds as though that will seal the fate of Volvo B6LE operation at PE then, PE currently has 12 x B6LE remaining whether they'll get the full 12 or slightly less due to fewer engineering spares being required.
BC has the 11 x B6LE, but I don't think the 99 needs that many buses, as B6LE often seem to be appearing on other BC routes of late
It looks as though WB will be lucky to get 10 x Enviro 200's which will not be enough to see off the remaining B6LE's there
It wouldn't suprise me if the new enviro 200's go on the 89 service at WB as it's currently merc operated and doesnt seem busy enough for double deckers.
dout it they will go on the 89 now due to it being extened to blackheath
At WB, they will likely, and probably rather obviously, go on current B6 routes, which are primarily the 428/429 and occasionally the 405. The 444 and 447 are obviously being binned so they won't be getting anything. They may sneak them onto the 410 and 406 every now and then too as they do with B6's right now. Anybody give a rough estimate of the PVR for the 428/429 and 405? That will likely give you the number of Envrio's WB will get.
I believe the PVR for the 428/9 is 6 and for the 405 i think its 6 aswell. Meaning 12 enviro200's would be needed.
Which sounds about reasonable to me.
405/406 are too busy for Enviro200's
Quote from: Ashley on October 16, 2012, 09:46:11 AM
405/406 are too busy for Enviro200's
The 405/6 seem to have gone back to mainly b6le operation with only a couple of mercs on now so i would think enviro 200's could deal with the capacity of the services. With the mercs off the 405/6 seem to be appearing on the 451 and the soho road services.
Quote from: thetruth on October 16, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
Quote from: Ash on October 15, 2012, 07:56:53 PM
I believe the PVR for the 428/9 is 6 and for the 405 i think its 6 aswell. Meaning 12 enviro200's would be needed.
405/45 is 7
Ok thanks truth, the PVR must have increased because when the 405 originally got transferred to Walsall b6le's 634-639 went with it but with changes to timetables etc it must have increased, is the daytime 405 still interworked with the 406 becuase havent some them change blinds for the different services for ages normally now a 405 arrives and leaves as the same service.
Quote from: thetruth on October 16, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
No, the daytime service aren't interworked now. Haven't seen the evening service for a while but it looking at the timetable it looks interworked both before and after the changes. Londonderry extension is only in the daytime so it can still do this.
Its still interworked in the evening the 405 came in at 20:35 last friday night and left as a 406 10 minutes late should have left at 20:30.
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 17, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
Doubt it, they don't appear to have an NX interior, plus they should be being delivered from ADL in fleet livery. More than likely they dealer stock
Quote from: Winston on October 17, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 17, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
Doubt it, they don't appear to have an NX interior, plus they should be being delivered from ADL in fleet livery. More than likely they dealer stock
It is most unusual for NX not to register their buses with 'bx nn xxx' registrations
Any idea of when the new buses arrive, I'm guessing next month sometime.
Are BX platesreserved for public services etc? I notice BX plates are almost always on police cars and is a good giveaway to an unmarked police car!
Also those enviros have silver light surrounds, i think NXWM go for as cheap as possible and skimp on the extras
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 18, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
Are BX platesreserved for public services etc? I notice BX plates are almost always on police cars and is a good giveaway to an unmarked police car!
Also those enviros have silver light surrounds, i think NXWM go for as cheap as possible and skimp on the extras
No, normal cars have BX plates as well. But yeah it is a good way to identify an undercover police car lol.
Just guessing these maybe dealer stock or demos there are 3 buses and the midis will go to 3 garages with if all drivers are typed 1000 ish staff so maybe they are to be loaned for that purpose?
Interesting to find out what the ticket in the window of YN62 AOV reads tho; besides a and F in a oval I'm sure that may give a wee clue but I'll not hold my breathe tho.
Unless they are for first and they are going down the rainbow bars route.................
Quote from: tank90 on October 18, 2012, 09:48:59 PM
Interesting to find out what the ticket in the window of YN62 AOV reads tho; besides a and F in a oval I'm sure that may give a wee clue but I'll not hold my breathe tho.
Unless they are for first and they are going down the rainbow bars route.................
That sticker is a standard Alexander Dennis sticker that gives the body number and a few other details on. The F has nothing to do with any operator
Quote from: Michael on October 18, 2012, 03:06:19 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 18, 2012, 12:01:07 PM
Are BX platesreserved for public services etc? I notice BX plates are almost always on police cars and is a good giveaway to an unmarked police car!
Also those enviros have silver light surrounds, i think NXWM go for as cheap as possible and skimp on the extras
No, normal cars have BX plates as well. But yeah it is a good way to identify an undercover police car lol.
Yep, my car's a BX plate and the wife's last car was too. Strange how all NXWM orders for the last few years have carried BX plates though - a few years back there were at least BVs and BUs too, and going back further there have been BLs, BJs and BPs.
Wikipedia is a good guide on number plate prefixes but it doesnt mention any more specifics, my car is BN
Quote from: Winston on October 17, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 17, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
Doubt it, they don't appear to have an NX interior, plus they should be being delivered from ADL in fleet livery. More than likely they dealer stock
Wrong window type too, NX don't normally go for bonded...
Lesson learned from what happened with the Leyland Lynx.
The B10L's and the Scania's also have bonded though
Think Scania's are only available with bonded.
Arn't the Mercedes bonded
Quote from: Lukeee on October 19, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Think Scania's are only available with bonded.
True.
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 17, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
have just seen one of these YN62AOH in Derby operating for Littles . Tony
Quote from: tphi12000 on October 21, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 17, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
These Enviro 200s under UNKNOWN, are they for NXWM? (YN62AOD etc)
http://61reg.blogspot.co.uk/
have just seen one of these YN62AOH in Derby operating for Littles . Tony
all 3 are at Littles for 111 park and ride service . Tony
West Brom are getting new enviro 200s for the 46 and 47/A due in December according to the staff guide. It also says that PN will get them for the 222 and BC for the 99, as previously mentioned on this forum.
10 needed for those WB routes plus spares.
although knowing our recent history with new buses, they'll probably go to another garage asap!! :D
WB driver might have asked this before but what routes do you drive at WB.
i do the 451 (soon to be the 5), 4 days a week. And i love it.
Quote from: wbdriver on October 21, 2012, 07:41:36 PM
i do the 451 (soon to be the 5), 4 days a week. And i love it.
Thanks for the info, i noticed most of the 451 drivers are the ones that used to do the 404.
Hehehehe! I'll look out for you - most nights I try and rake-in the three Benz working the 451 after work.
Sutton station - end of commute, pick up the next one from The Parade, take as far as Sutton Park pub (pint), next 451 back in as far as The Cup (pint in Bottle of Sack), third back to the Sutton Park and repeat to taste...
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 21, 2012, 07:47:09 PM
Hehehehe! I'll look out for you - most nights I try and rake-in the three Benz working the 451 after work.
Sutton station - end of commute, pick up the next one from The Parade, take as far as Sutton Park pub (pint), next 451 back in as far as The Cup (pint in Bottle of Sack), third back to the Sutton Park and repeat to taste...
i might have picked you up last week - i was on lates then! but not always Mercs on late nights - i had 568 Wednesday night after yobs broke another of my windows......
Bet you didnt get that much power out of 568 up the Newton Road love being on a merc when its getting thrashed especially on the 406 as there normally running behind.
Quote from: wbdriver on October 21, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
West Brom are getting new enviro 200s for the 46 and 47/A due in December according to the staff guide. It also says that PN will get them for the 222 and BC for the 99, as previously mentioned on this forum.
10 needed for those WB routes plus spares.
although knowing our recent history with new buses, they'll probably go to another garage asap!! :D
If WB are due to get 10 + Spares out of the 30 Enviros on order, I doubt there will be enough to see off all the remaining B6LE @ Pensnett. Does the 222 need approx 8 + spares
Are WB intending to withdraw all remaining B6LE?
Quote from: wbdriver on October 21, 2012, 07:50:11 PM
i might have picked you up last week - i was on lates then! but not always Mercs on late nights - i had 568 Wednesday night after yobs broke another of my windows......
I followed you into Sutton, driving across town - turned at Stonehouse Road just as 568 passed, I thought I was seeing things.
Quote from: Ash on October 21, 2012, 07:52:37 PM
Bet you didnt get that much power out of 568 up the Newton Road love being on a merc when its getting thrashed especially on the 406 as there normally running behind.
shocking, it flew up the newton road! it actually felt quicker than the merc (1607) i was on before!! i was actually surprised!
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2012, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on October 21, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
West Brom are getting new enviro 200s for the 46 and 47/A due in December according to the staff guide. It also says that PN will get them for the 222 and BC for the 99, as previously mentioned on this forum.
10 needed for those WB routes plus spares.
although knowing our recent history with new buses, they'll probably go to another garage asap!! :D
If WB are due to get 10 + Spares out of the 30 Enviros on order, I doubt there will be enough to see off all the remaining B6LE @ Pensnett. Does the 222 need approx 8 + spares
Are WB intending to withdraw all remaining B6LE?
I know they have to be shared out to garages but WB deserves the majority share i think Pensnett have had there fair share of buses at least for a while, BC need them for the 99 i know that but im sure the 222 could hang on for a while with the b6le's.
Quote from: Ash on October 21, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 21, 2012, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on October 21, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
West Brom are getting new enviro 200s for the 46 and 47/A due in December according to the staff guide. It also says that PN will get them for the 222 and BC for the 99, as previously mentioned on this forum.
10 needed for those WB routes plus spares.
although knowing our recent history with new buses, they'll probably go to another garage asap!! :D
If WB are due to get 10 + Spares out of the 30 Enviros on order, I doubt there will be enough to see off all the remaining B6LE @ Pensnett. Does the 222 need approx 8 + spares
Are WB intending to withdraw all remaining B6LE?
I know they have to be shared out to garages but WB deserves the majority share i think Pensnett have had there fair share of buses at least for a while, BC need them for the 99 i know that but im sure the 222 could hang on for a while with the b6le's.
The 222 new fleet upgrade is part of the Brierley Hill bus fund package of improvements, true Pensnett has fared better than WB of late but it doesn't really make sense retaining a handful of B6LE, I expect WB may be in the same position since receiving more of the type from WA.
Quote from: thetruth on October 21, 2012, 08:07:31 PM
222 PVR is 7. 99 is 8 I believe. 46 is 5, 47/47A is 6.
It will probably be 7 plus 1 spare for Pensnett, 8 plus 1 spare for BC and 11 plus 2 spare for WB.
Based on those numbers, WB may just about be able to see off all remaining B6LE
If the Enviros are going to be working the 47/47A, it'd be safe to assume two of them will go off and work evening 410s?
I think it will be the alx200 that could be going due to only 1 being refurbed and and 2 in NXWM livery all the rest are in travel west midlands livery and not in the best of states and theres only 14 of them.
•New National Express West Midlands buses on services 46, 47, 47A, 99 and 222 being delivered around Christmas with further new and refurbished vehicles over the three years of the agreement
They have put it in the public domian, so must be true.
http://www.centro.org.uk/newsroom/PressReleases/PressRelease43907.aspx
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
•New National Express West Midlands buses on services 46, 47, 47A, 99 and 222 being delivered around Christmas with further new and refurbished vehicles over the three years of the agreement
They have put it in the public domian, so must be true.
http://www.centro.org.uk/newsroom/PressReleases/PressRelease43907.aspx
Sounds as though WB should receive further batches of new buses over the course of the next 3 years at least
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
•New National Express West Midlands buses on services 46, 47, 47A, 99 and 222 being delivered around Christmas with further new and refurbished vehicles over the three years of the agreement
They have put it in the public domian, so must be true.
http://www.centro.org.uk/newsroom/PressReleases/PressRelease43907.aspx
I'm being a bit cynical, but all the reviews say that.
Sounds as though WB should receive further batches of new buses over the course of the next 3 years at least
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2012, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
•New National Express West Midlands buses on services 46, 47, 47A, 99 and 222 being delivered around Christmas with further new and refurbished vehicles over the three years of the agreement
They have put it in the public domian, so must be true.
http://www.centro.org.uk/newsroom/PressReleases/PressRelease43907.aspx
I'm being a bit cynical, but all the reviews say that.
Sounds as though WB should receive further batches of new buses over the course of the next 3 years at least
Possibly.....
CV hasn't had anything new following its review, but did have the 13 x Enviro 400's in late 2011 & is reported to be expecting 27 new buses during 2013.
WN has fared the best taking 48 x Volvo B7RLE's, the initial 29 arriving as part of the review, the remainder may have been delivered to allow withdrawal of further Excels rather than as a result of the review
That was my point not really seen much in East brum since that review apart from maybe 71&72 etc. A lot more other areas need to see this investment first but just have to be patient and we will see.
The new buses (?) are on Breakfast this morning in an interview with someone from NX:WM and someone from ADL. They look too big to be midibuses though? Unless they're sitting in a different model. They said they've ordered 30 and that they'll be on the West Midlands network.
well it was not a west mid one,have been to the nec and there is not one there!
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
Quote from: jondoakley on December 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
First one seen in Scarborough is registered BX62 SCV
Any chance of information of fleetnumbers?
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 07, 2012, 07:35:27 PM
Any chance of information of fleetnumbers?
Will post when I know it
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: jondoakley on December 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
First one seen in Scarborough is registered BX62 SCV
Doubt it will be long before the first one is delivered, with the Hybrids soon to follow in early 2013. That will be another 50 vehicles for the reserve fleet
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: jondoakley on December 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
First one seen in Scarborough is registered BX62 SCV
They are being signed off from ADL next week.
Delivery of the E400H's starts from 2nd week in March.
Doubt it will be long before the first one is delivered, with the Hybrids soon to follow in early 2013. That will be another 50 vehicles for the reserve fleet
BX62SDA has also been registered. It will be nice to have an SDA bus back on the streets of the West Mids again :)
So when these buses are delivered. Would it. Be right to assume th
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at they will go on the 99 first and then the 222, I know they should all arrive at routhly the same time but normally the conversion of a route takes at least a week from my experiences living along the 120 route
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 08, 2012, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: jondoakley on December 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
First one seen in Scarborough is registered BX62 SCV
They are being signed off from ADL next week.
Delivery of the E400H's starts from 2nd week in March.
Doubt it will be long before the first one is delivered, with the Hybrids soon to follow in early 2013. That will be another 50 vehicles for the reserve fleet
Oh, I thought the Hybrids were originally due in Jan?
I wonder in 2013 NX bus orders will follow in April onwards?
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 08, 2012, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: jondoakley on December 04, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: A1991 on December 03, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Any idea when these buses actually arrive ?
they should be here some point this month and enter service next month
First one seen in Scarborough is registered BX62 SCV
They are being signed off from ADL next week.
Delivery of the E400H's starts from 2nd week in March.
Doubt it will be long before the first one is delivered, with the Hybrids soon to follow in early 2013. That will be another 50 vehicles for the reserve fleet
Oh, I thought the Hybrids were originally due in Jan?
I wonder in 2013 NX bus orders will follow in April onwards?
That's what I thought
My statement came from ADL themselves.
Delivery of E400H from week 11, 2013.
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 09, 2012, 01:54:21 PM
My statement came from ADL themselves.
Delivery of E400H from week 11, 2013.
Wasn't questioning your info,
I thought that around the time of they were ordered/Green Bus funding was awarded it was announced they would be due in Jan, which I assumed they would have been required pre- B'ham City Centre Emission rules coming in to force, however that has since been resolved as regards the Presidents at least.
Have WB now got enough Euro 3 buses to operate all their B'ham routes within having to use Mercs?
Quote from: thetruth on December 09, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 09, 2012, 01:54:21 PM
My statement came from ADL themselves.
Delivery of E400H from week 11, 2013.
Wasn't questioning your info,
I thought that around the time of they were ordered/Green Bus funding was awarded it was announced they would be due in Jan, which I assumed they would have been required pre- B'ham City Centre Emission rules coming in to force, however that has since been resolved as regards the Presidents at least.
Have WB now got enough Euro 3 buses to operate all their B'ham routes within having to use Mercs?
Depends if the 83/89 are classified as core or complementary services. They have enough if they are complementary and can use Mercs on these 2.
The big issue with these services is that West Bromwich garage has seen a lack of investment on new vehicles for a few years now and especially single deckers the newest single decker they have of any type is a W reg alx200 dart which is 12 years old. The omnilinks were the newest at the garage and they were for the 404 (now 4) and have left for Walsall, even if the omnilinks and the 404 was still at WB the buses wouldnt have been able to be used on the 83/89 unless mercs were introduced back on to the 404 in a swap.
Quote from: Ash on December 09, 2012, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: thetruth on December 09, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: rob@mdc on December 09, 2012, 01:54:21 PM
My statement came from ADL themselves.
Delivery of E400H from week 11, 2013.
The 12 yr old Darts may be the one's that are going when WB receives its new Enviro 200's
Wasn't questioning your info,
I thought that around the time of they were ordered/Green Bus funding was awarded it was announced they would be due in Jan, which I assumed they would have been required pre- B'ham City Centre Emission rules coming in to force, however that has since been resolved as regards the Presidents at least.
Have WB now got enough Euro 3 buses to operate all their B'ham routes within having to use Mercs?
Depends if the 83/89 are classified as core or complementary services. They have enough if they are complementary and can use Mercs on these 2.
The big issue with these services is that West Bromwich garage has seen a lack of investment on new vehicles for a few years now and especially single deckers the newest single decker they have of any type is a W reg alx200 dart which is 12 years old. The omnilinks were the newest at the garage and they were for the 404 (now 4) and have left for Walsall, even if the omnilinks and the 404 was still at WB the buses wouldnt have been able to be used on the 83/89 unless mercs were introduced back on to the 404 in a swap.
These are taking fleetnumbers 801 upwards
As Enviro 200s are basically updated darts I suppose the use of these fleetnumbers is very appropriate
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/PLAXTON-NEW-COACHES-AND-BUSES/22335812_VPXhCT#!i=2269094325&k=Ddbmr8v
just came across these pics on the net
Looks great, looks longer than I was expecting
Quote from: mranon on December 12, 2012, 09:04:47 PM
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/PLAXTON-NEW-COACHES-AND-BUSES/22335812_VPXhCT#!i=2269094325&k=Ddbmr8v
just came across these pics on the net
They looks pretty smart, particularly with the black window surrounds
Is it the headlight surrounds missing on the pic of the front or have they opted for silver as it looks much better but the other picture seems to show them being red?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 12, 2012, 10:08:08 PM
Is it the headlight surrounds missing on the pic of the front or have they opted for silver as it looks much better but the other picture seems to show them being red?
Missing I think, as you say the pic of the front of 803 appears to be red
I think its missing as the back lights are white like the rest of the body http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/PLAXTON-NEW-COACHES-AND-BUSES/22335812_VPXhCT#!i=2269094347&k=BshcPQP
Interesting that 803 has the fleetname above the door. I wonder if it will receive some kind of branding?
Also it seems that maybe BX62SDA wont be a bus after all.
Quote from: A1991 on December 12, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
I think its missing as the back lights are white like the rest of the body http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/PLAXTON-NEW-COACHES-AND-BUSES/22335812_VPXhCT#!i=2269094347&k=BshcPQP
Bloody hell, I hope this gets a wash before it heads down here, its filthy! :o
Quote from: Gareth on December 13, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Interesting that 803 has the fleetname above the door. I wonder if it will receive some kind of branding?
Also it seems that maybe BX62SDA wont be a bus after all.
BX62SDA currently doesn't exist, according to my vehicle registration lookup I use at work. But then neither does BX62SKJ (from that picture).
Quote from: Stu on December 13, 2012, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: A1991 on December 12, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
I think its missing as the back lights are white like the rest of the body http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/PLAXTON-NEW-COACHES-AND-BUSES/22335812_VPXhCT#!i=2269094347&k=BshcPQP
Bloody hell, I hope this gets a wash before it heads down here, its filthy! :o
Quote from: Gareth on December 13, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Interesting that 803 has the fleetname above the door. I wonder if it will receive some kind of branding?
Also it seems that maybe BX62SDA wont be a bus after all.
BX62SDA currently doesn't exist, according to my vehicle registration lookup I use at work. But then neither does BX62SKJ (from that picture).
'?? ?? SDA' is never issued by DVLA for some reason
Quote from: Gareth on December 13, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Interesting that 803 has the fleetname above the door. I wonder if it will receive some kind of branding?
Also it seems that maybe BX62SDA wont be a bus after all.
It's probably receiving branding for the 222 as the B6's had branding for the 222 but if it's going to be branding for the 99 I will be suprised but it will be good though
I'm actually suprised i imagined them to b3 shoter, cant wait to see them in action hopfully if they good we may see further investment
Several have now arrived at BC
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
Several have now arrived at BC
Do you know how many BC are receiving Tony
I do like the look of the bus, i see NXWM sticking to gasket glazing, just a shame they couldnt be new in that deep red refurbed buses are now getting
I think these are similar to the enviro 200 dart, not the e200, for an example, see the enviro 200 that's on the 226 compared to other Hanson's services such as the 228.
I believe it is of the B37F variety
Quote from: Ashley on December 13, 2012, 11:01:37 PM
I do like the look of the bus, i see NXWM sticking to gasket glazing, just a shame they couldnt be new in that deep red refurbed buses are now getting
I think the new Enviro's are painted in the new shade of red / cargo white, it's just the pictures posted show them all pretty dirty
Quote from: bususer12 on December 13, 2012, 11:24:53 PM
I think these are similar to the enviro 200 dart, not the e200, for an example, see the enviro 200 that's on the 226 compared to other Hanson's services such as the 228.
I'm pretty certain they are exactly the same. The Enviro 200 had the Dart suffix when first introduced, but was dropped afterwards. In the same way, I believe the Enviro400 chassis is no longer called a Trident either.
any photos yet cant seem to access that web site
one should be due at pensnett next week
Whats the likelyhood of a B6LE farewell lol im joking :D unless the drivers just put the words YAY or BYE or SHED on the blinds after their last runs :D
803 plus one other at BC today
Photos of 801; 802; 803 & 804 currently at BC now on the main site
I wasn't a big fan of enviro 200's but these look great, much better than the hansons and arriva ones
I'm certainly impressed by the look of these already. I am wondering, as others seem to be, what's going to feature on the bodywork as they've put the side fleetnames in the corners: route-branding; adverts; connector bars?
Hasn't a Walsall B7 got the side fleetnames like these with no branding of advertising?
Quote from: JackC on December 16, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Hasn't a Walsall B7 got the side fleetnames like these with no branding of advertising?
Yes, 1750.
Could be a new style of fleetname they're trying out then?
Quote from: A1991 on December 16, 2012, 12:43:31 AM
I wasn't a big fan of enviro 200's but these look great, much better than the hansons and arriva ones
The NXWM examples look quite plain from the photos I've seen, where as the Arriva E200s look far, far more interesting.
They need silver surrounds on front and rear lights
Quote from: nx4737 on December 16, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: A1991 on December 16, 2012, 12:43:31 AM
I wasn't a big fan of enviro 200's but these look great, much better than the hansons and arriva ones
The NXWM examples look quite plain from the photos I've seen, where as the Arriva E200s look far, far more interesting.
I think they look fine..........a Midibus at B37F? Wait until they've got their branding - that should liven the look up!
I think the Arriva colour scheme plus the silver light surround colours really suit these buses - but as I say, with the side branding etc, these E200s will look very smary and colourful.
They are the same size as the B6's they are replacing so 37 seaters.
Any idea when they going to be out on the road, had an eye out in town today but didnt spot one, will be intresting to see if they venture onto other routes, especially on Sundays when NXWM don't run the 99.
Quote from: danny on December 17, 2012, 05:03:09 PM
Any idea when they going to be out on the road, had an eye out in town today but didnt spot one, will be intresting to see if they venture onto other routes, especially on Sundays when NXWM don't run the 99.
You won't see them for a bit, they need to be PDIed (pre delivery Inspected); Have ticket machines, radios, AVL equipment commisioned. Then every driver on the 99 plus others that cover and do overtime on there has to be type trained. The engineering staff also have to be trained on them.
I would expect about the second week of January is realistic, although an odd one might venture out on an odd peak working before then
Thanks tony :) what does a PDI entail, like break testing and all that jazz?
When does the low-emission zone in Brum city centre start? Presumably the B6s won't be allowed on the 99 after that.
Quote from: Stevo on December 17, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
When does the low-emission zone in Brum city centre start? Presumably the B6s won't be allowed on the 99 after that.
End of Jan I think?
That's why NXWM are taking delivery of new Enviro 200's to replace the B6 on route 99
Is there still a B6 working on the 14E at around 8.30am ish? I know I saw them a few times in about October time. Will be nice to see an Enviro200 on it.
Quote from: Stevo on December 17, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
When does the low-emission zone in Brum city centre start? Presumably the B6s won't be allowed on the 99 after that.
6th January 2013.
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2012, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Stevo on December 17, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
When does the low-emission zone in Brum city centre start? Presumably the B6s won't be allowed on the 99 after that.
6th January 2013.
Mercs seem to be creeping back on the 74 and 75 recently, 1574 was on there today. Hope WB have enough double deckers to cope with the emission ruling from the 6th Jan 2013
Quote from: Gareth on December 18, 2012, 01:01:05 AM
Is there still a B6 working on the 14E at around 8.30am ish? I know I saw them a few times in about October time. Will be nice to see an Enviro200 on it.
634 was on the 14E today seen it while passing on 4510 on the 87 on Priory Queensway
Spotted 802 out for an airing on Moor Street Queensway this morning. (NIS)
807, 608 & 809 Travelling south on A38 just north of Derby this morning
Quote from: settlerman on December 19, 2012, 02:13:11 PM
Spotted 802 out for an airing on Moor Street Queensway this morning. (NIS)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58130037@N02/8288361688/in/photostream
Quote from: NEL111P on December 19, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
Quote from: settlerman on December 19, 2012, 02:13:11 PM
Spotted 802 out for an airing on Moor Street Queensway this morning. (NIS)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58130037@N02/8288361688/in/photostream
Cheers for posting the link! They do look really smart-cant wait til they enter service. Do we think this means the 222 and the WB route (s) being upgraded will also have branding?
Im liking The bran :(ding, looks smart on the enviro, pitty they can't do the 98 simular for QE (as it interworks with X64 on Sundays and I think evenings)
Quote from: danny on December 19, 2012, 04:41:31 PM
Im liking The bran :(ding, looks smart on the enviro, pitty they can't do the 98 simular for QE (as it interworks with X64 on Sundays and I think evenings)
Doesnt the 98 interwork with the X64 all day? I think so because usually you see them switch on Colmore Row
On a sunday, when :( I catch either or, it changes twice, at rubery and brum, so the buses end up doing a big loop of the two routes, not sure about the rest of week as i dont use the routes then unless I have to go QE and then its only ever 98/99
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
Quote from: Stevo on December 19, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
I reckon they'll do it, but I think they have left it until the last minute...
Quote from: nx4737 on December 19, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Stevo on December 19, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
I reckon they'll do it, but I think they have left it until the last minute...
I dont know-theyve already branded one!
Am I the only one who dislikes it. It looks like the terrible green branding! See the ALX400 behind it on the photograph.
Quote from: nx4737 on December 19, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Stevo on December 19, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
I reckon they'll do it, but I think they have left it until the last minute...
Looking at the photo, 802 has already been fitted with ticketing equipment, pass scanner & you can also see that the radio has also fitted (see microphone hanging down)
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2012, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 19, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Stevo on December 19, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
I reckon they'll do it, but I think they have left it until the last minute...
Looking at the photo, 802 has already been fitted with ticketing equipment, pass scanner & you can also see that the radio has also fitted (see microphone hanging down)
When the B7's were new to Pensnett they came ready for service the work was done at hartshornes all that had to be done at depot was vault and door ticket machine on plate and wayfarer on plate 5
minute job, the first couple needed blinds programming but the remainder were collected done.
Quote from: Michael on December 19, 2012, 06:29:16 PM
Am I the only one who dislikes it. It looks like the terrible green branding! See the ALX400 behind it on the photograph.
I think a lot of us have an aversion to green due to the shockingly bad previous branding style. This looks a bit more turquoise like - it certainly beats the hi-viz green / yellow on the 33.
I like the colour, but I think the bit under the window looks daft
I think it looks excellent - presumably lower panels left clear for potential advertisements? The fornt makes it even clearer to intending passengers that a 99 is approaching (presuming it's on that route).
No doubt the BC ones will all be in service by 6th Jan. Anyone know the proposed allocations yet?
Quote from: Michael on December 19, 2012, 06:29:16 PM
Am I the only one who dislikes it. It looks like the terrible green branding! See the ALX400 behind it on the photograph.
I agree. You would think they would have learned from that experience but it appears there is a load of snot green vinyl that they can't throw away. How to wreck a new bus before it even gets on the road!
Quote from: andy on December 20, 2012, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: Michael on December 19, 2012, 06:29:16 PM
Am I the only one who dislikes it. It looks like the terrible green branding! See the ALX400 behind it on the photograph.
I agree. You would think they would have learned from that experience but it appears there is a load of snot green vinyl that they can't throw away. How to wreck a new bus before it even gets on the road!
It looks nothing like the previous green, this one is bordering on blue and actually, looks far smarter than the previous green.
Quote from: nx4737 on December 20, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
Quote from: andy on December 20, 2012, 10:44:49 AM
Quote from: Michael on December 19, 2012, 06:29:16 PM
Am I the only one who dislikes it. It looks like the terrible green branding! See the ALX400 behind it on the photograph.
I agree. You would think they would have learned from that experience but it appears there is a load of snot green vinyl that they can't throw away. How to wreck a new bus before it even gets on the road!
It looks nothing like the previous green, this one is bordering on blue and actually, looks far smarter than the previous green.
It might not be exactly the same but whichever way you look at it it's an awful colour that does not go with red.
Quote from: andy on December 20, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
It might not be exactly the same but whichever way you look at it it's an awful colour that does not go with red.
The branding is surely meant to stand out and be noticed (by passengers). Some bus branding is so subtle it looks like part of the livery and arguably is barely noticeable (eg some of Arriva's)
Quote from: don on December 21, 2012, 12:30:21 AM
Quote from: andy on December 20, 2012, 11:29:26 PM
It might not be exactly the same but whichever way you look at it it's an awful colour that does not go with red.
The branding is surely meant to stand out and be noticed (by passengers). Some bus branding is so subtle it looks like part of the livery and arguably is barely noticeable (eg some of Arriva's)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4658.html
Does this branding not stand out? Of course it does, but it's still terrible. Same with the new one. A different colour would be fine, but not that vile green again. It's just lighter than the previous one.
So whats people's preferences comparing the new 99 branding to the one used on the 4/4H/4M and the 37. Which do people favour more in terms of style and presentation but also in terms of informing the passenger.
Quote from: Ash on December 21, 2012, 01:32:31 AM
So whats people's preferences comparing the new 99 branding to the one used on the 4/4H/4M and the 37. Which do people favour more in terms of style and presentation but also in terms of informing the passenger.
I think the 99 branding does what it's mean to do, raise awareness of the route and the new buses on it. I really like the 4 branding with the shopping bags for the 4M section, and the 37 one is good as well, they both show the high frequency that the routes have
Quote from: Ash on December 21, 2012, 01:32:31 AM
So whats people's preferences comparing the new 99 branding to the one used on the 4/4H/4M and the 37. Which do people favour more in terms of style and presentation but also in terms of informing the passenger.
I think the 4 and 37 branding looks far smarter than any of these garish colour vinyls, which are generally poorly applied anyway. If you have a red based livery you are limiting the amount of colours you can match it with. Why hasn't somebody at NX realised this yet?
Quote from: Peter123 on December 19, 2012, 06:16:28 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 19, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Stevo on December 19, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
They'll have to get their fingers out at Central then to have them in service by 6th Jan. Keep off the mince pies and sherry, lads!
I reckon they'll do it, but I think they have left it until the last minute...
I dont know-theyve already branded one!
I don't understand why NXWM didn't just get ADL to apply the branding at Scarborough prior to delivery; it was obviously planned due to the positioning on the side fleetnames or at least get ADL to leave applying front fleetnames/fleetnames which only had to be removed at BC & could potentially damage the new paintwork
The thing is with this branding, it doesnt obscure large parts of the windows unlike the 37, 4 one which does so probably for passengers it is better.
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Quote from: Peter123 on December 22, 2012, 10:59:32 AM
The thing is with this branding, it doesnt obscure large parts of the windows unlike the 37, 4 one which does so probably for passengers it is better.
I don't really think anyone notices or cares much about the window being obscured to be honest. Most of the area covered by the vinyls is adjacent to the inward facing seats anyway and it doesn't particularly affect the amount of light.
Quote from: andy on December 22, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Peter123 on December 22, 2012, 10:59:32 AM
The thing is with this branding, it doesnt obscure large parts of the windows unlike the 37, 4 one which does so probably for passengers it is better.
I don't really think anyone notices or cares much about the window being obscured to be honest. Most of the area covered by the vinyls is adjacent to the inward facing seats anyway and it doesn't particularly affect the amount of light.
Really? I guess most NXWM routes arent scenic but particularly with double deck buses people want to be able to look out the windows and the scanias are more dark than the eclipses at any rate anyway
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Aren't the Arriva E200s '12 reg?
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 22, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
Aren't the Arriva E200s '12 reg?
Yes, all MX12's
2140-3 new in April
2144-50 new in July
Quote from: thetruth on December 23, 2012, 12:16:41 AM
Have they been taxed yet?
802 at least appears to have been taxed, having been photographed in B'ham City Centre, it doesn't appear to be displaying trade plates
Quote from: thetruth on December 23, 2012, 12:16:41 AM
Have they been taxed yet?
Not that my opinion means anything. But I think they look good.
Agreed. Whilst I'd prefer it if the side green stripe didn't extend from the white across the red section, overall I think this is one of the better branding efforts so far.
Quote from: Winston on December 23, 2012, 12:22:54 AM
Quote from: thetruth on December 23, 2012, 12:16:41 AM
Have they been taxed yet?
802 at least appears to have been taxed, having been photographed in B'ham City Centre, it doesn't appear to be displaying trade plates
All the first 11 have been taxed
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
Quote from: wilmotm on December 23, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
Typical arriva buy the cheapest spec and the most gutless engine the last darts they bought for the 825 (was a few years ago and drove them new at Stafford) were just as bad and had gutless engines too struggled on the most slightest of hills and yes have been on the E200 buses of arrivas so can say they are crap. Hope NXWM have spec them with better seats and hopefully have a better engine option or know how to fix them unlike Arriva
Have all of these arrived now ?
Quote from: wilmotm on December 23, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
I'm on one as I speak and I can't find a fault with them, fairly quick, nice grey interior, no rattling windows, really comfortable seats, much better than urban 90. Honestly if NXWM E200s were like Arriva's I wouldn't complain
Quote from: A1991 on December 28, 2012, 12:49:47 PM
Have all of these arrived now ?
Good question - and has anyone seen one any of the WB allocation yet?
Quote from: madabouttransport on December 28, 2012, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on December 23, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
I'm on one as I speak and I can't find a fault with them, fairly quick, nice grey interior, no rattling windows, really comfortable seats, much better than urban 90. Honestly if NXWM E200s were like Arriva's I wouldn't complain
Thankyou that has answered my question NXWM seem then to have specified them well will have to try them if/when they are in servce for PN or WB unless they are
Quote from: Discodave on December 23, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on December 23, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
Typical arriva buy the cheapest spec and the most gutless engine the last darts they bought for the 825 (was a few years ago and drove them new at Stafford) were just as bad and had gutless engines too struggled on the most slightest of hills and yes have been on the E200 buses of arrivas so can say they are crap. Hope NXWM have spec them with better seats and hopefully have a better engine option or know how to fix them unlike Arriva
I completely disagree! cant really comment on underpower but from my prospective they don't seem it. There are kept spotless and still smell brand new and the seats they have are comfortable and have a higher back than nx normally use. and I would imagine that there are even cheaper buses they could of chosen such as the mcv evo on daf chasis or the optare solo? I would imagine that alexander dennis are more exspensive as they are better quality? they are the same as central buses enviros and arrivas seem to be kept to the same standard as centrals (which I believe is very high). !! shocks me why moaning about nice simple enviros (yes they are very plain) when you have companies like vip, grs, travel express, Sandwell travel running far worse buses. We should be glad of the investment by any company in new buses!!
I think WB would be happy for any bus with a new reg as the newest there now is nearly 7 years old.
Well arrivas have been on the road for a little while now and are terrible and as stated are 12 plate must be an Arriva thing then if no diference as NXWMs buses of the same type as Arrivas are looked after like I said cant comment on midi buses but have been on Dennis Tridents of Arrivas elsewhere in the uk and they are terrible NXWMs are running very well crap fitters then.
Quote from: dannygill on December 30, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 23, 2012, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on December 23, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
Quote from: nx4737 on December 22, 2012, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Discodave on December 22, 2012, 11:18:26 AM
Just seen the pic of the new midi bus and looks a lot better than the hill top crap Arriva have the longer length seems to fit in with the NXWM fleet they will look nice on the black country routes at PN and hopefully WB as long as the Russells hall Chavs don't wreck them
Apart form the length, there is very little difference!
The only reason you've described them as 'crap' is because they're operated by Arriva.
Have you ever actually used a Hill Top E200, or are you jumping to conclusions?
Oh how I missed you're posts.
I have used the Hill Top E200's and they aren't great, loud, rattily, uncomfortable hard seats, and seem underpowered even for such a small bus, so agree with Discodave, really hope the NXWM are better because I have grown to really like the last B6's at PE especially on the 222 as all the ones that remain are great
Typical arriva buy the cheapest spec and the most gutless engine the last darts they bought for the 825 (was a few years ago and drove them new at Stafford) were just as bad and had gutless engines too struggled on the most slightest of hills and yes have been on the E200 buses of arrivas so can say they are crap. Hope NXWM have spec them with better seats and hopefully have a better engine option or know how to fix them unlike Arriva
I completely disagree! cant really comment on underpower but from my prospective they don't seem it. There are kept spotless and still smell brand new and the seats they have are comfortable and have a higher back than nx normally use. and I would imagine that there are even cheaper buses they could of chosen such as the mcv evo on daf chasis or the optare solo? I would imagine that alexander dennis are more exspensive as they are better quality? they are the same as central buses enviros and arrivas seem to be kept to the same standard as centrals (which I believe is very high). !! shocks me why moaning about nice simple enviros (yes they are very plain) when you have companies like vip, grs, travel express, Sandwell travel running far worse buses. We should be glad of the investment by any company in new buses!!
Finally someone speaking some sense, if Arriva suddenly removed all Arriva branding from the Hill Top E200's, Dave wouldn't be able to find a fault with them!
There are a lot of crap NXWM buses too but most have been withdrawn or will be soon Arriva have no engineering standards and never will
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
There are a lot of crap NXWM buses too but most have been withdrawn or will be soon Arriva have no engineering standards and never will
I'm sorry, but you're wrong, if Arriva have 'no engineering standards' they wouldn't be on the road anymore, no company is perfect, but Arriva are no where near as bad as you make out.
I'm surprised they haven't been on the phone to the solicitors on the grounds of Defamation!
Looks like some of BC's new Enviro 200s may be entering service today. 803 was heading along the Hagley Road in Edgbaston (Not is Service) at around 8.20 this morning, towards Bearwood & Halesowen, presumably to take up duties on the 99.
There are still some B6s on the 99 today though.
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
Looks like some of BC's new Enviro 200s may be entering service today. 803 was heading along the Hagley Road in Edgbaston (Not is Service) at around 8.20 this morning, towards Bearwood & Halesowen, presumably to take up duties on the 99.
There are still some B6s on the 99 today though.
Sounds about right, converting a couple of boards a day until Sunday (although Sunday is a reduced service, we may not see them all until Monday) when the emission zone comes in and the B6LE can't be used.
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
Looks like some of BC's new Enviro 200s may be entering service today. 803 was heading along the Hagley Road in Edgbaston (Not is Service) at around 8.20 this morning, towards Bearwood & Halesowen, presumably to take up duties on the 99.
There are still some B6s on the 99 today though.
803 did take up duties on the 99 seen it near Halesowen 634, 640 and 669 were the only B6's I saw out on the 99 today 2 Eclipse's were also on the 99 and they were 2144 & 2152
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on January 02, 2013, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Mike K on January 02, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
Looks like some of BC's new Enviro 200s may be entering service today. 803 was heading along the Hagley Road in Edgbaston (Not is Service) at around 8.20 this morning, towards Bearwood & Halesowen, presumably to take up duties on the 99.
There are still some B6s on the 99 today though.
Sounds about right, converting a couple of boards a day until Sunday (although Sunday is a reduced service, we may not see them all until Monday) when the emission zone comes in and the B6LE can't be used.
NXWM don't run the 99 on Sundays
Quote from: nx4737 on January 01, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: Discodave on January 01, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
There are a lot of crap NXWM buses too but most have been withdrawn or will be soon Arriva have no engineering standards and never will
I'm sorry, but you're wrong, if Arriva have 'no engineering standards' they wouldn't be on the road anymore, no company is perfect, but Arriva are no where near as bad as you make out.
I'm surprised they haven't been on the phone to the solicitors on the grounds of Defamation!
And they only need to check and they will find I got sacked for a poorly maintained bus and they were took to court and I won so sue away Arriva I still have all the paperwork too
801 also seen in Birmingham city centre this afternoon out of service
807 and 809 (unbranded) both on the 99 this evening.
823 is running around Merry Hill this afternoon on driver training and familiarisation duties.
Incidentally, it's strange that, with the E200's shortly to take over operation of the service, the 222 was operated today using mostly Mercs, plus an E400 double decker.
Quote from: Roy on January 03, 2013, 02:59:14 PM
823 is running around Merry Hill this afternoon on driver training and familiarisation duties.
Is there any sign of them out at West Brom yet?
Yes I have seen 811 today heading towards the garage with about 4 drivers on it. :)
801/803/804/806/807 & 809 on the 99 this morning
802 in use as well on the 99 today
Quote from: RobQuinton on January 03, 2013, 06:27:47 PM
802 in use as well on the 99 today
634 and 673 were still hanging on in there on the 99 today, won't be seeing them again after Saturday.
Registrations for all 30 are now on the main site at http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0720.html
I wonder if some of the enviro 200 will turn up on West Brom's Birmingham services occasionally. As if WB are unable to put all the B7 double deckers on them due to some being off road (apart from presidents) these will be the only other buses at WB to meet the emmission requirements.
Quote from: Tony on January 03, 2013, 09:06:07 PM
Registrations for all 30 are now on the main site at http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0720.html
Hi Tony
The registrations you have for 824 to 830 are the same as those for 814 to 820.
That is in the process of being corrected, it is just taking a long time for updates to actually get on at the moment, several more photos including 804-806 should appear any minute
803 was in service on 99 on Tuesday, I understood the driver to say due to the failure of a Scania.
I wonder when they'll appear on WB routes, can't wait to see them going past my road on the 46. Will 83/89 still be Merc operated after the emissions come into play?
Yeah I bet some of the drivers will give them a thrash along the Newton Road on the 46.
Looking at the photo of 805, the interior looks a lot more blue than gray, has the design changed again?
I have uploaded a video of 805 on YouTube I'll add the link to the video later but I've named the video wrong I've put 804 by mistake but its 805 I'll rename the video later.
Also today there were no B6's out on the 99 today it was all Enviro's
Went past pensnett today on 297 couldnt see any new e200's, but there were a few b6's parked up with quite a few e400's so they may have been behind them
Quote from: nx4737 on January 04, 2013, 04:28:39 AM
Looking at the photo of 805, the interior looks a lot more blue than gray, has the design changed again?
No it must be the light in that picture, they have the usual dull grey interior colour scheme.
Here is the link to the Video of 805
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SHKnPYSkA
Quote from: Mike K on January 04, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on January 04, 2013, 04:28:39 AM
Looking at the photo of 805, the interior looks a lot more blue than gray, has the design changed again?
No it must be the light in that picture, they have the usual dull grey interior colour scheme.
805 has the usual grey interior, got on it today.
823 out and about around Merry Hill again.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8346759768
Quote from: Ash on January 03, 2013, 11:56:15 PM
Yeah I bet some of the drivers will give them a thrash along the Newton Road on the 46.
bet i'll be one of them lol :D :D
plus its the only place on the 46 or 47/A where you can really see what a bus can do. Somehow you can't do 40mph round Hateley Heath! i've tried but failed (too many turns lol).
can't wait to get one on the 5. then it'll be given a good test! ie hills, pensioners, kids, stop start etc. ;D
What about the 74. How many commuters can you pack in :-)
Quote from: Rob H on January 04, 2013, 11:38:56 AM
Also today [4 Jan] there were no B6's out on the 99 today it was all Enviro's
True - but 669 was used on the regular 14/14E morning peak B6LE working on Friday morning. Was this the final B6LE working from BC, or was one used on the regular 24 working in the evening peak?
Saw one of these parked up on Moor Street with hazards on earlier. Don't tell me they've already gone and broke one?
Anyone know if all of these buses have now arrived?
It appears that BC's batch, plus one each for WB and PE had arrived (the latter presumably to avoid holding up driver familiaristaion).
Quote from: Rob H on January 04, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Here is the link to the Video of 805
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SHKnPYSkA
Thanks for uploading Rob. They sound great, gear changing sounds seem a bit different to that of Arrivas examples
Was hoping they would be out on the 222 monday, looks like a ride to halesowen to have a ride now though
personally i was never going to be a huge fan of these buses, but i have to say after having a ride on 803 i am impressed. The engines are smooth, there's plenty of leg room, there's no rattles or shakes. I have to agree they do seem a lot better than Arriva's E200's and i see them every day.
Also experienced 803 today. Pleasantly surprised. No rattles or shakes apart from slightly on the cab door. Few slight squeaks. A very heavy new bus smell that anyone who remembers the smell of the area around leyland DAF in Ward End years ago will be familiar with. A nice purring sound from the engine too.
824 delivered to PN with branding for 222
Quote from: richie on January 08, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
824 delivered to PN with branding for 222
Have you got a picture? :)
Quote from: richie on January 08, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
824 delivered to PN with branding for 222
Richie, you beat me to it, its the same branding style & possibly even colour as the branding for the 99
Quote from: Gareth on January 08, 2013, 02:15:41 PM
Also experienced 803 today. Pleasantly surprised. No rattles or shakes apart from slightly on the cab door. Few slight squeaks. A very heavy new bus smell that anyone who remembers the smell of the area around leyland DAF in Ward End years ago will be familiar with. A nice purring sound from the engine too.
Was also on 803 today, found it to be a little loud, but then I suppose we've become accustomed to the quiet new B7RLE's and Enviro 400's and as with the new B7's just feel they have been tuned to change up a gear far to quickly, on Mucklow's hill it must have gone through all the gears before eventually picking one and actually making some progress but overall like yourself fairly impressed but the difference between them and the far higher quality Enviro 400's is still evident for me
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49007178@N02/8360571571/in/photostream
The above link shows an example with 222 branding. Same colour as the 99, it seems.
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 08, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: richie on January 08, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
824 delivered to PN with branding for 222
Have you got a picture? :)
Sorry no looks smart same as 99 and the back looks better than the front
Why has it got Plaxton on the display when it's an Alexander Dennis bus :o
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 08, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
Why has it got Plaxton on the display when it's an Alexander Dennis bus :o
They're the same company.
Quote from: Michael on January 08, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 08, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
Why has it got Plaxton on the display when it's an Alexander Dennis bus :o
They're the same company.
And they build enviro 200s at Scarborough where these were made. Come to think of it-has wmt/twm/nxwm ever had any buses delivered from plaxton at scarbough before, because the only plaxtons i can think of were built at wigan
WMT purchased 2 plaxton 4000 paramount double deckers for Central Coachways in 1990. They were stock built coaches and often appeared on the london liner service deapite being letrered central liner. They were built on a daf chassis so they fitted in well with all of the daf engined bovas that central operated.
Just for some fun I have developed an alternative branding for the 222 not that good really but had some spare time, so i thought i would see what i could come up with.
The 222 branding should, imo have been in Travel Merry Hill green. That minty green looks horrible.
These new enviro 200 buses allocated to WB and PE...(8xx) are they all in service ?? I notice all of the BC allocation appear to be working. :-\ are we due for any more in 2013?..Is it my imagination or do these 200's have a shorter wheelbase than their predecessors?
Quote from: Ash on January 08, 2013, 11:56:30 PM
Just for some fun I have developed an alternative branding for the 222 not that good really but had some spare time, so i thought i would see what i could come up with.
Lol, they told me they had no plans to brand it in this way
I like the 'every 12 minutes to see the Quacks at Russell's Hall Hospital', ;)
I can tell you they're not all in service at WB, haven't seen or heard one on the 46
I do like it, brings a much needed bit of consistency with the X96 branding as they both serve Merry Hill and I think that is what is needed across the network, not just a random allocation of colours here there and everywhere. Only slight criticism I'd spell Brierley Hill correctly if it was me, don't want to upset the locals!
I saw 801/2/3/5/6/7/8/10 on the 99 yesturday :)
825 & 827 noted on Dudley By Pass at lunchtiume, so presumably on delivery. Are all Pensnett examples to be route branded?
Quote from: Stuharris63 on January 09, 2013, 03:49:05 PM
825 & 827 noted on Dudley By Pass at lunchtiume, so presumably on delivery. Are all Pensnett examples to be route branded?
Were they branded Stu?
Maybe all will be branded apart from 823 as 824 was delivered with branding, 823 was delivered without, unless it will be branded before entering service.
Yes John, for 222
All but 2 will be branded
None in service at PN yet don't know about WB
809 was on the X64 today, first time I have seen one off the 99, I will put a photo on in the morning
Quote from: wilmotm on January 09, 2013, 09:03:16 AM
I do like it, brings a much needed bit of consistency with the X96 branding as they both serve Merry Hill and I think that is what is needed across the network, not just a random allocation of colours here there and everywhere. Only slight criticism I'd spell Brierley Hill correctly if it was me, don't want to upset the locals!
Lol thanks for pointing out the spelling mistake and yeah some locals i'm sure would complain about it.
9 midis at PN now
Another 4 must have arrived today then, as when i was at the garage at 12.30, there were only 4 there!
823 was also missing, presumably on driver familiarisation somewhere!
823 is probably around and about Merry Hill as it has been for the past week or so.
I may have mis calculated as 3 arrived in convoy today so it may be 8
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
809 on the 98 today
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Perfect replacement for a B6 then :p
Amazingly over the years, have rode plenty of B6's and only ever had one problem, and that was one running out of fuel on Pedmore Fields on the early days of the 247/8!!!
On the subject of B6's i was on 562 one day and the bus got to Darlaston and a car pulled along side it and told the driver his fuel tank was split. As the carw was following it all the way from Walsall.
still just the one at WB. nothing else yet possibly due to storage space.
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Didn't take long at all, gurantee these won't be going in 15 years time like (some) of the B6's,
Quote from: wilmotm on January 10, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Didn't take long at all, gurantee these won't be going in 15 years time like (some) of the B6's,
I think most buses have teething problems when they first enter the service, the omnilinks had their fair share of issues when they first entered service i.e doors not closing properly so the brakes were permanently applied they even had to be taken off the 404 for the day as their were issues with them in Bradford Place. Hopefully once they have been running in service for a couple of months reliability should increase and issues sorted. Even at the beginning of this week a branded 51 enviro 400 broke down in Walsall and is still a fairly new bus.
Quote from: Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 10, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Didn't take long at all, gurantee these won't be going in 15 years time like (some) of the B6's,
I think most buses have teething problems when they first enter the service, the omnilinks had their fair share of issues when they first entered service i.e doors not closing properly so the brakes were permanently applied they even had to be taken off the 404 for the day as their were issues with them in Bradford Place. Hopefully once they have been running in service for a couple of months reliability should increase and issues sorted. Even at the beginning of this week a branded 51 enviro 400 broke down in Walsall and is still a fairly new bus.
I remember that day a rare metro on the 128 good day that was
Quote from: makkacdt on January 10, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 10, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Didn't take long at all, gurantee these won't be going in 15 years time like (some) of the B6's,
I think most buses have teething problems when they first enter the service, the omnilinks had their fair share of issues when they first entered service i.e doors not closing properly so the brakes were permanently applied they even had to be taken off the 404 for the day as their were issues with them in Bradford Place. Hopefully once they have been running in service for a couple of months reliability should increase and issues sorted. Even at the beginning of this week a branded 51 enviro 400 broke down in Walsall and is still a fairly new bus.
I remember that day a rare metro on the 128 good day that was
Yeah there was a metro on the 127/128,80 and 449 that day and the 404 had an omnilink from PB (1837) and anything else left in the garage including loads of merc/b6le's and alx400 and presidents.
Quote from: Ash on January 10, 2013, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: makkacdt on January 10, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 10, 2013, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 10, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 10, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
804 sitting dead on Colmore Row waiting to be hooked up to a Mansfield recovery truck at around 16:20
Didn't take long at all, gurantee these won't be going in 15 years time like (some) of the B6's,
I think most buses have teething problems when they first enter the service, the omnilinks had their fair share of issues when they first entered service i.e doors not closing properly so the brakes were permanently applied they even had to be taken off the 404 for the day as their were issues with them in Bradford Place. Hopefully once they have been running in service for a couple of months reliability should increase and issues sorted. Even at the beginning of this week a branded 51 enviro 400 broke down in Walsall and is still a fairly new bus.
I remember that day a rare metro on the 128 good day that was
Yeah there was a metro on the 127/128,80 and 449 that day and the 404 had an omnilink from PB (1837) and anything else left in the garage including loads of merc/b6le's and alx400 and presidents.
huge panic at the garage that day. if i remember properly, the floors were catching the bottom of the hump in Bradford Place, causing fuel and oil leaks, so Scania told the garage to take them all off the road while they checked them.
If the omnilinks had that problem how come 1837 was borrowed from Perry Barr that always confused me. Yeah i remember catching 4048 which was used on that day.
Quote from: Ash on January 11, 2013, 09:30:45 PM
If the omnilinks had that problem how come 1837 was borrowed from Perry Barr that always confused me. Yeah i remember catching 4048 which was used on that day.
Probably because 1837 would have been about a year old at that time and so it would have gotten past any of the faults affecting the newer Scanias within it's first year.
Quote from: A1991 on January 07, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
personally i was never going to be a huge fan of these buses, but i have to say after having a ride on 803 i am impressed. The engines are smooth, there's plenty of leg room, there's no rattles or shakes. I have to agree they do seem a lot better than Arriva's E200's and i see them every day.
NXWM Enviro 200 or Arriva Enviro 200, now which on is better?, there is only one way to find out.......Photo
Quote from: A1991 on January 07, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
personally i was never going to be a huge fan of these buses, but i have to say after having a ride on 803 i am impressed. The engines are smooth, there's plenty of leg room, there's no rattles or shakes. I have to agree they do seem a lot better than Arriva's E200's and i see them every day.
was on one of these first time today (also 803) from Halesowen to uni, and I have to say I was equally impressed, being a lanky bugger I always struggled on the older buses but no problem now. He flew up Mucklow Hill aswell, can't wait to see one on the 46 along Newton road now
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2013, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: A1991 on January 07, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
personally i was never going to be a huge fan of these buses, but i have to say after having a ride on 803 i am impressed. The engines are smooth, there's plenty of leg room, there's no rattles or shakes. I have to agree they do seem a lot better than Arriva's E200's and i see them every day.
NXWM Enviro 200 or Arriva Enviro 200, now which on is better?, there is only one way to find out.......Photo
The headlights would look a lot better in silver!
Saw 640 at WN today
In the garage
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 15, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
In the garage
Along with 634/9
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8350721045/in/photostream
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on January 15, 2013, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 15, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
In the garage
Along with 634/9
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8350721045/in/photostream
have you got any idea when they are entering service?
826 out this morning in service on the 222 at least, PE are brave putting it out in this weather, maybe because of a few non-starters this morning. 18/01/13
Quote from: wilmotm on January 18, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
826 out this morning in service on the 222 at least, PE are brave putting it out in this weather, maybe because of a few non-starters this morning. 18/01/13
823, 824 should also be out, 812_822 all parked at Walsall
Quote from: John on January 15, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
Quote from: 4006 (Not NEL 111P) on January 15, 2013, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: madabouttransport on January 15, 2013, 03:54:35 PM
In the garage
Along with 634/9
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8350721045/in/photostream
have you got any idea when they are entering service?
Mentioned on this thread
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg25039#msg25039
Route 62/62A is changing mid Feb route training available from next weekend I would guess in that case mid to late Feb maybe. This week they have been using more Excels on the 62/62A maybe the Solo's will be first to go!
807 involved in accident parked up at stag missing rear offside panels and dented ouch
I didn't see any of Pensnett's Enviros out today on the 222, they must have been safely tucked up in the garage, it was mainly B6LE's with a Merc also
They shouldnt of been sent out not til 27th
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 18, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
826 out this morning in service on the 222 at least, PE are brave putting it out in this weather, maybe because of a few non-starters this morning. 18/01/13
823, 824 should also be out, 812_822 all parked at Walsall
Are none of WB's due to be branded?
Quote from: pensnettdriver on January 19, 2013, 06:27:31 PM
They shouldnt of been sent out not til 27th
Was it because of a few non-starters then on Friday?
Quote from: Winston on January 19, 2013, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 18, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
826 out this morning in service on the 222 at least, PE are brave putting it out in this weather, maybe because of a few non-starters this morning. 18/01/13
823, 824 should also be out, 812_822 all parked at Walsall
Are none of WB's due to be branded?
I think because WB's enviro 200's will be used on the 46/47/47A it's probably harder to brand the vehicles as they will be changing which service they operate daily. Although I would like to see some kind of branding but if some were to be applied I guess it's likely they will be used on other services their not branded for.
Quote from: wilmotm on January 19, 2013, 07:06:35 PM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on January 19, 2013, 06:27:31 PM
They shouldnt of been sent out not til 27th
Was it because of a few non-starters then on Friday?
Plus PE are down a Merc anyway with 1664 being off the road!
Forgive me if this turns out to be a stupid question but why have BC and PE had their E200s delivered direct to the garages but WB's have turned up at WA?
I believe it is because WB are fairly short of space so can't afford to have 12 buses sitting around for a week or so whilst they are fitted with ticketing equipment, stickers and generally prepared for service without actually being able to go out on the road.
e200s out to play on 222 again today :) :) :)
Been on 823, 824 today, also seen 826 out. :)
811 At West Brom...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8403874134/in/photostream/
Its a mix of E200 and B6LEs on there this morning
1630 (x96 branded) and 1658 also seen on the 222 today.
827 made it into service today along with 823 824 and 826
Quote from: Trident 4609 on January 22, 2013, 05:26:18 PM
Here is the Link my video of 823 on route 222:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4opEqow2PSw&list=UUAvTZ2F-I-r4IT49jGR7lbw&index=1
Please feel free to tell me what you think.
Just watched it Great Video ;)
Just reading some of the "unusal workings"... why are they using the new E200s on routes that are normally deckers? Seen mentions of them appearing on the 14, 22/23/24, 45, 60
Quote from: Kevin on January 23, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
Just reading some of the "unusal workings"... why are they using the new E200s on routes that are normally deckers? Seen mentions of them appearing on the 14, 22/23/24, 45, 60
I think the E200 working on the 14 is replacing the peak working that was served by a B6LE, can't speak for the other routes, but the severe weather conditions could be a factor
The Enviro 200 on the 14 was at 1pm on a full 14 to Chelmsley Wood. The peak B6LEs were usually at about 8.30am and running as 14E
Caught an enviro on 45 this morning to uni didn't suite the route attal, best thing was about 3 tridents turned up out of service. good buses though quite fast, it was 813
WB 814 on the 99 today.
Do we know when WB are actually going to get these buses then?
The amount of them currently in service at BC is puzzling. Ok so 2122 might be at AG and 807 is reported to have RTA damage but various sightings as posted on here yesterday suggest 5 or 6 were in use by BC, primarily on routes that wouldn't normally see a full size single decker, let alone a midi-bus.
Quote from: Mike K on January 24, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
The amount of them currently in service at BC is puzzling. Ok so 2122 might be at AG and 807 is reported to have RTA damage but various sightings as posted on here yesterday suggest 5 or 6 were in use by BC, primarily on routes that wouldn't normally see a full size single decker, let alone a midi-bus.
Maybe some garages are suffering vehicle shortages due to the bad weather & an increase in the number of vehicles of the road with accident damage?
Quote from: Winston on January 24, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mike K on January 24, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
The amount of them currently in service at BC is puzzling. Ok so 2122 might be at AG and 807 is reported to have RTA damage but various sightings as posted on here yesterday suggest 5 or 6 were in use by BC, primarily on routes that wouldn't normally see a full size single decker, let alone a midi-bus.
Maybe some garages are suffering vehicle shortages due to the bad weather & an increase in the number of vehicles of the road with accident damage?
I thought that garages were already suffering shortages - which made it all the more surprising that ex BC B6LEs were going to WN and parked up in the garage until needed and there was a batch of E200s parked up at Walsall for WB also. No doubt we will find out the reasons in due course.
Quote from: don on January 24, 2013, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 24, 2013, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Mike K on January 24, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
The amount of them currently in service at BC is puzzling. Ok so 2122 might be at AG and 807 is reported to have RTA damage but various sightings as posted on here yesterday suggest 5 or 6 were in use by BC, primarily on routes that wouldn't normally see a full size single decker, let alone a midi-bus.
Maybe some garages are suffering vehicle shortages due to the bad weather & an increase in the number of vehicles of the road with accident damage?
I thought that garages were already suffering shortages - which made it all the more surprising that ex BC B6LEs were going to WN and parked up in the garage until needed and there was a batch of E200s parked up at Walsall for WB also. No doubt we will find out the reasons in due course.
I believe the percentage of spare buses allocated to each garage has been reduced following Dean Finch's review of the business
825,826,827,828,829 and 830 were on the 222 today. I missed the other bus due to the Dudley loop. Also I saw 820 and 821 passing through West Brom not in serevice, probably going from WA to WB.
Some of West Bromwich's are expected to enter service on the 45 and 47 (West Bromwich version) tomorrow, yes I know some of the earlier West Bromwich ones have already been seen on the 45 and 47 (Birmingham version) ironically!
On the 222 today between 13.00-14.00 hrs. 823-826/828-830.
I might have missed another on the Dudley loop.
2 or 3 new enviros on the 45/46 (WB) today.
nearly weren't on the road this morning. they were booked out to be on the road but missing a couple of things:
1. no wheel nut indicators (yellow or red on wheels) and, most importantly.........
2. no tax disc.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: wbdriver on January 26, 2013, 06:34:30 PM
2 or 3 new enviros on the 45/46 (WB) today.
nearly weren't on the road this morning. they were booked out to be on the road but missing a couple of things:
1. no wheel nut indicators (yellow or red on wheels) and, most importantly.........
2. no tax disc.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess the 3 used haven't been used at BC previously then, Have you driven one today WB driver or was on your usual 5 service with presidents and mercs.
Quote from: Ash on January 26, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 26, 2013, 06:34:30 PM
2 or 3 new enviros on the 45/46 (WB) today.
nearly weren't on the road this morning. they were booked out to be on the road but missing a couple of things:
1. no wheel nut indicators (yellow or red on wheels) and, most importantly.........
2. no tax disc.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess the 3 used haven't been used at BC previously then, Have you driven one today WB driver or was on your usual 5 service with presidents and mercs.
on my usual 5 to sutton. 4087 in the morning, took 4114 back to garage with defective platform, replacede with 4509. quality bus. but i have drove one of the enviros, just not in service, drove round the bus station a couple of sundays ago when being type trained on it.
Four were out, 819, 820, 821 & 822, photos of all four on the main site soon
Quote from: wbdriver on January 26, 2013, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 26, 2013, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 26, 2013, 06:34:30 PM
2 or 3 new enviros on the 45/46 (WB) today.
nearly weren't on the road this morning. they were booked out to be on the road but missing a couple of things:
1. no wheel nut indicators (yellow or red on wheels) and, most importantly.........
2. no tax disc.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess the 3 used haven't been used at BC previously then, Have you driven one today WB driver or was on your usual 5 service with presidents and mercs.
on my usual 5 to sutton. 4087 in the morning, took 4114 back to garage with defective platform, replacede with 4509. quality bus. but i have drove one of the enviros, just not in service, drove round the bus station a couple of sundays ago when being type trained on it.
I got on 4087 last week on the 5 must say this president seemed quite quick especially along the Newton Road seem to get up to speed very quickly.
Quote from: wbdriver on January 26, 2013, 06:34:30 PM
2 or 3 new enviros on the 45/46 (WB) today.
nearly weren't on the road this morning. they were booked out to be on the road but missing a couple of things:
1. no wheel nut indicators (yellow or red on wheels) and, most importantly.........
2. no tax disc.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Wheel nut indicators are not a legal requirement not in VOSA rules just helps for visual check of wheel security. The tax disc on the otherhand whoops hope the o licence was on.
With 4 of the enviro200's now in service any does anybody have any idea what buses in particular have been transferred or withdrawn out of service, all the alx200 seem to be still at WB as quite a few were parked outside the garage where they normally are parked and 3610 was on the 47 today.
Quote from: Ash on January 27, 2013, 10:28:09 PM
With 4 of the enviro200's now in service any does anybody have any idea what buses in particular have been transferred or withdrawn out of service, all the alx200 seem to be still at WB as quite a few were parked outside the garage where they normally are parked and 3610 was on the 47 today.
Ash,
But have you noticed that the new Enviros are operating the 45 & 46 rather than the 46 & 47 as originally thought
Quote from: Winston on January 27, 2013, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 27, 2013, 10:28:09 PM
With 4 of the enviro200's now in service any does anybody have any idea what buses in particular have been transferred or withdrawn out of service, all the alx200 seem to be still at WB as quite a few were parked outside the garage where they normally are parked and 3610 was on the 47 today.
Ash,
But have you noticed that the new Enviros are operating the 45 & 46 rather than the 46 & 47 as originally thought
Yeah, surprised me but didn't know if this was a one off that they were being used on the 45 and when there all put into service they will move onto the 46/47/47A. The 45 is normally a busier service than the 46/47/47A and in terms of capacity the mercs are ideal for the service as often at peak times double deckers appear on the 45.
If I were NXWM I'd complain about 826, obviously been delivered with faulty destination equipment, seen today in the same state as Tony's picture
Quote from: wilmotm on January 29, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
If I were NXWM I'd complain about 826, obviously been delivered with faulty destination equipment, seen today in the same state as Tony's picture
That must be the one I saw yesterday. The one side of the display kept flickering on and off.
Quote from: John on January 29, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 29, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
If I were NXWM I'd complain about 826, obviously been delivered with faulty destination equipment, seen today in the same state as Tony's picture
That must be the one I saw yesterday. The one side of the display kept flickering on and off.
Would that not be an issue with the blind manufactuer (possibly hanover) not alexander dennis.
Quote from: Discodave on January 29, 2013, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: John on January 29, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on January 29, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
If I were NXWM I'd complain about 826, obviously been delivered with faulty destination equipment, seen today in the same state as Tony's picture
That must be the one I saw yesterday. The one side of the display kept flickering on and off.
Would that not be an issue with the blind manufactuer (possibly hanover) not alexander dennis.
Yes I never mentioned ADL, but what I meant was the bus was obviously delivered with the fault
The rear LED display on 823 isn't working, saw it in Dudley the other day
I noted one Enviro 200 on the 45, yesterday with at least three on it today. I had the pleasure of catching 820 for my morning commute today and I have to say I was very impressed, although anything is better than those B6's!
I do hope they're permanent on the 405 but we'll see, sometimes the extra-capacity of the O405N's are required.
think it was mentioned on here that two of the PE Enviro 200s will be unbranded.
I know 823 is one, which is the other please, if there is one?
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
Similar to Caldmore, people parking on the pavement and double yellow lines, actually anywhere you like doesn't help the drivers when to get through especially as buses regularly meet trying to get past each other, absolute nightmare especially for the larger buses like the omnilinks.
Quote from: Stuharris63 on January 29, 2013, 06:21:39 PM
think it was mentioned on here that two of the PE Enviro 200s will be unbranded.
I know 823 is one, which is the other please, if there is one?
Looking at the Tony's photographs of them on the main site 823 is the only unbranded PE Enviro 200. 824-30 are all branded.
Quote from: busfan2847 on January 29, 2013, 06:42:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris63 on January 29, 2013, 06:21:39 PM
think it was mentioned on here that two of the PE Enviro 200s will be unbranded.
I know 823 is one, which is the other please, if there is one?
Looking at the Tony's photographs of them on the main site 823 is the only unbranded PE Enviro 200. 824-30 are all branded.
Thanks Busfan2847, never thought to look at Tony's photos
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
Do we know where 1600 has gone, Miller Street, another garage?
Quote from: Stuharris63 on January 29, 2013, 08:48:40 PM
Do we know where 1600 has gone, Miller Street, another garage?
it was heading towards scott arms along the newton road so its either the car park or miller street. passed me as i had broke down on the newton road.
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
1526 wasn't new to WB, it was new to BC and was Network Harborne branded (1515-1526 and 1556-1577 were new to BC)
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
Aren't they all the same width?
Quote from: Mike K on January 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
1526 wasn't new to WB, it was new to BC and was Network Harborne branded (1515-1526 and 1556-1577 were new to BC)
I knew somebody was going to say this I knew that 1526 wasn't new to WB and was new to BC for the Harborne network must be the way I worded as i mentioned 1622 was new to WB and along with 1526 in TWM livery probably should of used a commar to break it up I suppose, my mistake.
What bus broke down on you, WB driver?
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: Mike K on January 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
1526 wasn't new to WB, it was new to BC and was Network Harborne branded (1515-1526 and 1556-1577 were new to BC)
I knew somebody was going to say this I knew that 1526 wasn't new to WB and was new to BC for the Harborne network must be the way I worded as i mentioned 1622 was new to WB and along with 1526 in TWM livery probably should of used a commar to break it up I suppose, my mistake.
What bus broke down on you, WB driver?
4083. emergency door buzzer kept going off every time you went over a pothole. replaced with 1702.
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: Mike K on January 29, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: Ash on January 29, 2013, 08:46:15 PM
Quote from: wbdriver on January 29, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
Quote from: lynx1103 on January 29, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
P
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
1526 wasn't new to WB, it was new to BC and was Network Harborne branded (1515-1526 and 1556-1577 were new to BC)
I knew somebody was going to say this I knew that 1526 wasn't new to WB and was new to BC for the Harborne network must be the way I worded as i mentioned 1622 was new to WB and along with 1526 in TWM livery probably should of used a commar to break it up I suppose, my mistake.
What bus broke down on you, WB driver?
Sorry! ;)
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mercs and b6s on way out of WB at the moment - 1600 first to go due to the new buses.
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45 Service (405)
Drive a Mercedes down Milton Street you wish you had a B6/Enviro
oh yes.... just try taking a merc down there on a Friday afternoon when everyone piles in and out of the mosque......... millimeters each side. and that is not an exaggeration.
P
I guess 1622 will be next and will be a shame as its been at WB from new along with 1526 another one in TWM livery, hope 1534 doesn't get withdrawn soon as it's the last the ex branded 404 merc at WB.
1526 wasn't new to WB, it was new to BC and was Network Harborne branded (1515-1526 and 1556-1577 were new to BC)
I knew somebody was going to say this I knew that 1526 wasn't new to WB and was new to BC for the Harborne network must be the way I worded as i mentioned 1622 was new to WB and along with 1526 in TWM livery probably should of used a commar to break it up I suppose, my mistake.
What bus broke down on you, WB driver?
Sorry! ;)
My mistake totally I should have read through my post and checked I have worded it correctly.
My favourite so far is 823, probably because it's the first PE one I went on, so far been on 823, 824, 826,829 & 830
829 died today at mery hill tow truck job back :(
Quote from: karl724223 on February 02, 2013, 06:49:33 PM
829 died today at merry hill tow truck job back :(
oh dear not a very good start
Will 812-818 join WB later or are new to BC because there going to be staying for the foreseeable future. The enviro200's seem to be operating the 45 mainly saw at least 3 on their today. Just saw your comment about AG Tony maybe related to why the enviro200's are at BC at the moment instead of WB.
Can someone tell me how come WB have transferred all but 5 enviro200's to Birmingham Central ?
816 was seen around Darlaston this afternoon not in service though.
Quote from: NathanJC on February 05, 2013, 05:29:30 PM
Can someone tell me how come WB have transferred all but 5 enviro200's to Birmingham Central ?
Most are back at WB now. There was a vehicle shortage at Acocks Green and Birmingham Central I read somewhere.
Will 2122 be going back to BC then soon
Travelling on 803 on the 98 at 10 o'clock the other morning the windows were so filthy you could hardly see out. The buses are grey and soleless inside admirably reflecting the culture of the company they belong to. Welcome to travel in 21st century Birmingham.
Edinburgh relaunched it's buses with a new livery a couple of years with an upgraded interior with warm coloured panels and seats featuring famous landmarks in the city in the moquette. Amazing what you can achieve with a bit of imagination.
Come on NXWM you can do better....
Quote from: NathanJC on February 05, 2013, 05:52:36 PM
Will 2122 be going back to BC then soon
Should be if it hasn't already, 2153 is still with AG, it was out on the 37 this morning.
Quote from: John on February 05, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
Most are back at WB now. There was a vehicle shortage at Acocks Green and Birmingham Central I read somewhere.
Yes Tony confirmed to me that AG Geminis were having their rear axles tested:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg26635#msg26635
Quote from: Ash on February 05, 2013, 05:31:31 PM
816 was seen around Darlaston this afternoon not in service though.
Was on the 5 in PM peak
I got 814 on the 47A in Wednesbury last night and I have to say I think they're one of the best buses NX has bought in a while. Great looking exterior, clean and bright interiors and very quiet and comfortable on the move.
Quote from: JoNi on February 05, 2013, 06:38:29 PM
The buses are grey and soleless inside admirably reflecting the culture of the company they belong to. Welcome to travel in 21st century Birmingham.
They're certainly grey but not soleless in my view. It's a light grey and it's offset nicely by the red hand rails and blue seats. I like it.
Got on my first WB E200 today, 822 on the 46. Etchings on the seats already, very nippy to West Brom, although the 46 has always been faster than the 444 was to West Brom
Quote from: JackC on February 06, 2013, 01:20:06 PM
I got 814 on the 47A in Wednesbury last night and I have to say I think they're one of the best buses NX has bought in a while. Great looking exterior, clean and bright interiors and very quiet and comfortable on the move.
Quote from: JoNi on February 05, 2013, 06:38:29 PM
The buses are grey and soleless inside admirably reflecting the culture of the company they belong to. Welcome to travel in 21st century Birmingham.
They're certainly grey but not soleless in my view. It's a light grey and it's offset nicely by the red hand rails and blue seats. I like it.
Problem is, better the interior, the more money the buses cost. Most people aren't on a bus that long, so the interior doesn't really bother them!
The interior standard is perfectly adequate. They are just too dull, dark and bland
Why did they go for the 200 instead of the 300?
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7133%2F7557854394_1bc8ccf9e5_z.jpg&hash=89dca92d1c555adb07b0721669230cefcda48196)
Because the Enviro200 is a midi-bus, and NXWM wanted them to replace Volvo B6LEs, which are also midi-buses.
The Enviro300 is a full length single decker, in the same class as Scania Omnilink and Volvo B7RLE.
Quote from: Gareth on February 06, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
The interior standard is perfectly adequate. They are just too dull, dark and bland
Agreed - the TV screens in the Hybrids proclaim they have "brighter interiors". If brighter interiors are such a positive thing to shout about, why not give all new buses brighter interiors? Green fabric and yellow poles can't cost more than red and grey, surely?
Makes you wonder why they have stuck dark green stickers over the Enviro 400's used on the 9. They have dark, gloomy interiors I can assure you.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/new-buses-are-just-what-the-doctor-ordered
This was posted today on the NXWM website. Seems a little late as the E200's have been on the 222 for a while now. It also says that the eight vehicles are a £1.5 million investment - that's £187,500 each? Doesn't seem right...
Well Southdown PSV will sell you a brand new Enviro 200 39 seat for £116,000 though I imagine NXWM will have got them for less than that what with a fairly large order and not going through a broker so not quite sure where they've got £187,500 from
It says PE's Enviros will have next stop announcements. I wonder if the other Enviros will have this feature
Any possibility the £1.5M was for all of them, not just those 8?
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Any possibility the £1.5M was for all of them, not just those 8?
That would put each bus at £50,000 which seems a little too cheap.
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Quote from: Kevin on February 07, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
Any possibility the £1.5M was for all of them, not just those 8?
That would put each bus at £50,000 which seems a little too cheap.
Valid, it would appear I have lost the ability to do math, nevermind
Well it clearly says the £1.5 million is for the 8 at PE for the 222 and says the same on all the leaflets which I have nearly 500 of to deliver over the next couple of days through peoples doors, NXWM really stepping up there advertising at the moment
Quote from: wilmotm on February 07, 2013, 11:20:16 PM
Well it clearly says the £1.5 million is for the 8 at PE for the 222 and says the same on all the leaflets which I have nearly 500 of to deliver over the next couple of days through peoples doors, NXWM really stepping up there advertising at the moment
Maybe they're including refurbs for the E400s within that figure too?
Or maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree...
West Bromwich today,
533, 812, 815, 816. 819, 820 and 821 0n route 45.
813, 814, 817, 818 and 822 on 46.
1702 took over from 813 which then went out on the 43. Was the driver not yet trained on the Enviro's?
626 came in on the 5 and then went out of service at about 10 30 a m.
I saw 11 B6's, but not as many 36XX Darts as usual.
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West Bromwich today,
533, 812, 815, 816. 819, 820 and 821 0n route 45.
813, 814, 817, 818 and 822 on 46.
1702 took over from 813 which then went out on the 43. Was the driver not yet trained on the Enviro's?
626 came in on the 5 and then went out of service at about 10 30 a m.
I saw 11 B6's, but not as many 36XX Darts as usual.
Was gutted today was waiting in Hamstead thought yes I will get an enviro 200 see what there like along the Newton Road and guess what comes round the corner 1702 lol like u said all the other buses on the 406 were the enviro 200's.
Been on one on the 99 today, theyre ok but really tinny sounding.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 08, 2013, 08:27:59 PM
West Bromwich today,
533, 812, 815, 816. 819, 820 and 821 0n route 45.
813, 814, 817, 818 and 822 on 46.
1702 took over from 813 which then went out on the 43. Was the driver not yet trained on the Enviro's?
626 came in on the 5 and then went out of service at about 10 30 a m.
I saw 11 B6's, but not as many 36XX Darts as usual.
May be just me, or was it published somewhere that the new Enviro 200s were for the 47/47A?
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Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 08, 2013, 08:27:59 PM
West Bromwich today,
533, 812, 815, 816. 819, 820 and 821 0n route 45.
813, 814, 817, 818 and 822 on 46.
1702 took over from 813 which then went out on the 43. Was the driver not yet trained on the Enviro's?
626 came in on the 5 and then went out of service at about 10 30 a m.
I saw 11 B6's, but not as many 36XX Darts as usual.
May be just me, or was it published somewhere that the new Enviro 200s were for the 47/47A?
that was the original plan yes. 46 and 47/A
Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 07, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/new-buses-are-just-what-the-doctor-ordered
This was posted today on the NXWM website. Seems a little late as the E200's have been on the 222 for a while now. It also says that the eight vehicles are a £1.5 million investment - that's £187,500 each? Doesn't seem right...
The stop announcement equipment does not seem to have been installed yet?
its being done in a black country accent so get learning our lingo bostin ay it
:) 8)
Quote from: karl724223 on February 08, 2013, 10:38:39 PM
its being done in a black country accent so get learning our lingo bostin ay it
:) 8)
Oh god, I have enough trouble trying to understand my mom & dad lol
Can't be worse than the annoying man in the Hybrids lol
If yowm gooin to the ospical its the next stop ay it, just gerrin to snett yow might see a scrap mon, that's if the bus windas dow get bosted. I'm expecting something like this ;)
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
The 406 (46) was always traditionally B6, exactly the same size as the Enviros. It is only since the B6s started dying that Mercs have been on there
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Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 09, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
yeah mon
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Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
The 406 (46) was always traditionally B6, exactly the same size as the Enviros. It is only since the B6s started dying that Mercs have been on there
Ah ok, I just figured that they switched to using mercs because the route was popular enough to warrant bigger buses, but that would be far too logical i suppose. Although you say that I do remember the mercs were used for a fairly long period before, even seen deckers on there at times (not just peak times either)
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Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
I can't see that happening. The extension was put in place to cover parts of the withdrawn 444
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Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
I can't see that happening. The extension was put in place to cover parts of the withdrawn 444
I dont know much about the Londonerry area but the 444 always seemed quite popular the alx200 darts were always quite busy when leaving West Bromwich does the 48 or 53 cover a similar area to the 46 to Londonerry may be impacting on the patronage of the 46 but I suppose if NXWM aren't making money on a specific service they will either amend the route or withdraw it.
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Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
I can't see that happening. The extension was put in place to cover parts of the withdrawn 444
I dont know much about the Londonerry area but the 444 always seemed quite popular the alx200 darts were always quite busy when leaving West Bromwich does the 48 or 53 cover a similar area to the 46 to Londonerry may be impacting on the patronage of the 46 but I suppose if NXWM aren't making money on a specific service they will either amend the route or withdraw it.
The 46 covers distinct roads that otherwise wouldn't have any access to West Bromwich, that's why it's required. The 48/129 do cover Londonderry, but only main roads. The 53 does also cover the Queens Head, but it takes an age to get there ;D
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Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Finally caught one (819) on the 46, and it was fun seeing what it can do along the Newton road. But while I was on it I was thinking, with it being a fairly well used route why have they suddenly decided to put smaller buses on it? I wouldn't say it was a particularly tight cornered route or used narrow roads at all, in fact I would say the 40/42/43 more worthy of midi buses given some of the roads they have to navigate
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
I can't see that happening. The extension was put in place to cover parts of the withdrawn 444
I dont know much about the Londonerry area but the 444 always seemed quite popular the alx200 darts were always quite busy when leaving West Bromwich does the 48 or 53 cover a similar area to the 46 to Londonerry may be impacting on the patronage of the 46 but I suppose if NXWM aren't making money on a specific service they will either amend the route or withdraw it.
the 129 and 48 go exactly the same way to queens road.
the only reason the 46 was extended down there was to allow a direct link to Sandwell Hospital, but passengers probably don't realise that, and still get off at the bus station and get another bus there.
811 was out on Sat on 46. In fact, the whole batch (811-822) were out working on routes 45 & 46.
Has 827 been in a crash ?
I noticed yesterday that there was a small dent on the offside and looks like a new panel has been put on the rear nearside under the light surround which also looked like it was cracked.
Just for a little bit of fun, and to just repeat what's happening anyway why not lets record where 823 gets too each day!
06/03/13- 297
With previous appearances on 243/244, 222, X96, 297, 241/140 any more?
Quote from: wilmotm on March 06, 2013, 10:40:00 PM
Just for a little bit of fun, and to just repeat what's happening anyway why not lets record where 823 gets too each day!
06/03/13- 297
With previous appearances on 243/244, 222, X96, 297, 241/140 any more?
Its put in an appearance on the 53 & 289 as well
297, today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/8535226882/in/photostream
222, 2nd March: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/8534464785/in/photostream
241, 27th Feb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/8514260782/in/photostream
244, 19th Feb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/8488239813/in/photostream
X96 (not my photo), 16th Feb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8473107087/
It was also on the 53/289 on 31st Jan but cannot find a photo
The 20.25 289 departure from wb this evening was an unidentified E200, so may have been 823.rgds John
Quote from: 37351ml on March 06, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
The 20.25 289 departure from wb this evening was an unidentified E200, so may have been 823.rgds John
If it was unbranded, must've been one of the WB Enviros as 823 was on the 297 today, see above
Could it eventually end up on the 9 do we think
Quote from: nitromatt1 on March 06, 2013, 11:14:18 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on March 06, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
The 20.25 289 departure from wb this evening was an unidentified E200, so may have been 823.rgds John
If it was unbranded, must've been one of the WB Enviros as 823 was on the 297 today, see above
Doesnt only PE operate the 289 in the evening? Possibly WB still operating at that time too though with PE doing the last couple a little later on?
828 was on the 289 last night not sure if it was on the 53/289 all day though or was put on after being on the 222.
Its also been on the schools 256E that PE do on a few occasions.
it was on the X96 this morning
823 is a smaller version of PB'S 4853 which has been on every route in PB except 651/654/66/66A/28
havent seen 4853 on the 101 yet nor the 952
One of the unbranded 458x Enviros was on the 101 on monday along with a toothpaste one.
Quote from: Lukeee on March 07, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
One of the unbranded 458x Enviros was on the 101 on monday along with a toothpaste one.
Sorry to be particular but do you mean 485* and not 458*
It's on the 297 today apparently
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Quote from: Lukeee on March 07, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
One of the unbranded 458x Enviros was on the 101 on monday along with a toothpaste one.
Sorry to be particular but do you mean 485* and not 458*
Whoops i do indeed
Quote from: Lukeee on March 07, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
One of the unbranded 458x Enviros was on the 101 on monday along with a toothpaste one.
I hate when theres an actual working ive never seen. an im working an on the otherside of Birmingham :(
823 has also been on the 246.
Quote from: ade on March 08, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
823 has also been on the 246.
Do you have a date for that, or do you mean today?
Monday 4th march
53 today, noted in WB around 13.45. John
It was on the 246 a few weeks ago.
On the 256E/222/X96 today
807 which was reported some time ago as having been involved in a RTA is back in service, hadn't seen this for a while. Its rear branding has disappeared, although I wasn't aware it had received any rear end damage.
Quote from: Shaun on February 09, 2013, 10:46:08 AM
Quote from: Kevin on February 09, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Probably due to the other side of the route not being very busy (Londonderry to West Bromwich)
The Londonerry to West Bromwich section of the route is always dead your lucky if you see 5 passengers get on at West Bromwich can't see this part of the route lasting and in time I wouldn't be surprised to see the 46 return to West Bromwich to Great Barr only.
The 46 is popular west brom-great barr? When waiting for the 55 at the queens head the cadets and mers came and left empty and I was wondering whythe route was given 200's
Quote from: Discodave on February 09, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 09, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
yeah mon
HA HA HA HA ........... Why?
O i see the trend here so shal we do the number 37 6 12 in pakistani benghali and arabic too ??
Quote from: dayvid on March 20, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 09, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 09, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
yeah mon
HA HA HA HA ........... Why?
O i see the trend here so shal we do the number 37 6 12 in pakistani benghali and arabic too ??
12? Do you mean the 3? :P
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Quote from: dayvid on March 20, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 09, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
yeah mon
HA HA HA HA ........... Why?
O i see the trend here so shal we do the number 37 6 12 in pakistani benghali and arabic too ??
12? Do you mean the 3? :P
Dont forget the 31
The E200s seem to appear on a variety of WB routes, there was at least an enviro each on the 40 and 47/A, and there were mercs and a B6 on the 46 today
Also 819 on the 42/43 today.
823 was on the 246 a short while ago closely followed by 4800
They seem to be disappearing from the 45 with O405N's and B6LE's becoming more frequent again. I knew it was too good to last.
Quote from: dayvid on March 20, 2013, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 09, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on February 09, 2013, 12:37:25 AM
They should do the 74/75 in a Jamaican accent lol
yeah mon
HA HA HA HA ........... Why?
O i see the trend here so shal we do the number 37 6 12 in pakistani benghali and arabic too ??
Dont forget the dudley road corridor
Quote from: tom_h on March 22, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
They seem to be disappearing from the 45 with O405N's and B6LE's becoming more frequent again. I knew it was too good to last.
1695 and a B6LE were on the 45 today.
Quote from: tom_h on March 22, 2013, 07:21:11 PM
They seem to be disappearing from the 45 with O405N's and B6LE's becoming more frequent again. I knew it was too good to last.
They've been on the 40 more and more lately.
On 276 today, that's another PE route covered
I'm sure it'll appear on the 9 eventually
Quote from: Kevin on March 29, 2013, 05:30:43 PM
I'm sure it'll appear on the 9 eventually
It never will. The 9 must be priority for the 400's, maybe if they all breakdown,maybe if they all get hit by a comet, maybe if reiss takes control and puts them on the 53 instead and puts mercs
and a 200
It's on the 276 today
Back on the 222 2day
Will put photo of it on 222 today later
276 yesterday
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222 today
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I miss the original 1908
It was on the 53/289 on Tuesday, the 297 on Wednesday and the 243/4 today
It seems to be more unusual to get 823 on the 222 than it is other routes!
As far as I know, the only PE single decker route it hasn't yet appeared on is the 205
Is it just me or do the PE E200s feel faster than the BC ones?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 07, 2013, 11:54:05 PM
Is it just me or do the PE E200s feel faster than the BC ones?
I'd be willing to say in general Pensnett buses are quicker than BC, perhaps because of the drivers
They certainly seem faster then the Arriva examples, in my opinion
823 off the road smashed n/s window :(
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 05, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
As far as I know, the only PE single decker route it hasn't yet appeared on is the 205
It was on the 205 yesterday
I havent seen 823 on the
222
205
297
140/241
X96
246
Quote from: NathanJC on April 09, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
I havent seen 823 on the
222
205
297
140/241
X96
246
Its been on all of these
Definetly, a couple of times on some especially the X96 and 297
Quote from: wilmotm on April 09, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Definetly, a couple of times on some especially the X96 and 297
It actually seems unusual to get it on the 222 as every time i see it it is on another route.
Has it done the 120 yet?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 09, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Definetly, a couple of times on some especially the X96 and 297
It actually seems unusual to get it on the 222 as every time i see it it is on another route.
Has it done the 120 yet?
Dont think it has done the 120 or the 141 yet
I havent seen it on the
246 or X96. The only picture I have of 823 is when it was on training at WB havent seen it since
I meant has 823 operated the 120 as that is the only PE route i haven't seen it on apart from the 9.
Quote from: NathanJC on April 09, 2013, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 09, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Definetly, a couple of times on some especially the X96 and 297
It actually seems unusual to get it on the 222 as every time i see it it is on another route.
Has it done the 120 yet?
It has done the 140/241. Saw a photo on flickr.
Dont think it has done the 120 or the 141 yet
I havent seen it on the
246 or X96. The only picture I have of 823 is when it was on training at WB havent seen it since
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 09, 2013, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 09, 2013, 08:16:42 PM
Definetly, a couple of times on some especially the X96 and 297
It actually seems unusual to get it on the 222 as every time i see it it is on another route.
Has it done the 120 yet?
It has done the 140/241. Saw a photo on flickr.
Dont think it has done the 120 or the 141 yet
I havent seen it on the
246 or X96. The only picture I have of 823 is when it was on training at WB havent seen it since
I must just miss it when it appears in Dudley/Merry Hill
I think its just left to do the 120/9/141 & 246
4853 at PB is left to do for me to see
952
101
46
It has done the 246 many times and it could of done the 141 aswell.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
It has done the 246 many times and it could of done the 141 aswell.
It hasn't done the 141 I would've known about it.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
It has done the 246 many times and it could of done the 141 aswell.
It hasn't done the 141 I would've known about it.
Well sorry if i don't know all of Pensnetts bus happenings!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 09:01:47 PM
It has done the 246 many times and it could of done the 141 aswell.
It hasn't done the 141 I would've known about it.
Well sorry if i don't know all of Pensnetts bus happenings!
I was only saying :(
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2013, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
Excuse me :o we are friends and not gay......
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2013, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
For god sake grow up >:(
Whatever happened to minding your own business. ::)
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2013, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
Well if you think that then you must be sad! Sorry if i'm offending you but thats how you just made me feel
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2013, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
Well if you think that then you are sad with a life like that adding being a bus enthusiast you must be sad! Sorry if i'm offending you but thats how you just made me feel
Mike is only having a joke I'm sure he means nothing by it and your taking it way out of context, calm lads and lets get this thead back to talking about bus 823.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Mike K on April 09, 2013, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 09, 2013, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
I'm Sorry Matt :( Just feel bad after posting one of your unusual workings
It's fine! You could push me in front of a bus and I'd probably forgive you (eventually) ;D
Ahem. Do we have our first WM Bus Photos forum love affair going on here? (we nearly had Gareth and Jade but it was not to be)
Well if you think that then you are sad with a life like that adding being a bus enthusiast you must be sad! Sorry if i'm offending you but thats how you just made me feel
I think he was just making a lighthearted joke ::)
Sorry to bring being Autisic into it but me and matt don't take jokes like everybody else would.i take things literally so sorry if you were only joking.
Anyway back to 823 so it hasn't appeared on the 9,120 and 141 unless someone can state otherwise.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 09, 2013, 11:56:11 PM
Anyway back to 823 so it hasn't appeared on the 9,120 and 141 unless someone can state otherwise.
Probably because they are the busiest routes and 823 would probably fill to the brim :)
B6s previously appeared on the 120 & 141, so it's possible to get an E200 on these routes :)
Quote from: Shaun on April 10, 2013, 12:07:21 AM
B6s previously appeared on the 120 & 141, so it's possible to get an E200 on these routes :)
I bet this was in off-peak times though, I suppose if they are going slip 823 onto any of these routes it would have to be off-peak, e.g. they could easily swap it with an E400 on the 9 around 8pm onwards, don't think there'd be any capacity problems
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 10, 2013, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: Shaun on April 10, 2013, 12:07:21 AM
B6s previously appeared on the 120 & 141, so it's possible to get an E200 on these routes :)
I bet this was in off-peak times though, I suppose if they are going slip 823 onto any of these routes it would have to be off-peak, e.g. they could easily swap it with an E400 on the 9 around 8pm onwards, don't think there'd be any capacity problems
Often this occurred throughout the whole day, even before the frequency of the 120 increased, there was a time where a B6 on the 120 wasn't that rare
Steady on chaps, as stated by Ash and Shaun it was just a bit of light hearted banter. :-\
Apologies for any offence caused.
Quote from: Mike K on April 10, 2013, 06:45:22 AM
Steady on chaps, as stated by Ash and Shaun it was just a bit of light hearted banter. :-\
Apologies for any offence caused.
As i stated last night I take things very literally and thought you were just taking the mic out of me which made me feel humiliated and angry.
As i said sorry to if you were only making a lighthearted joke which i understand you were so can we just clear the air on this subject. Just make sure that if you are trying to have a laugh which involves me that i will take it literally so thats why i took it that way
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 10, 2013, 10:51:09 AM
Quote from: Mike K on April 10, 2013, 06:45:22 AM
Steady on chaps, as stated by Ash and Shaun it was just a bit of light hearted banter. :-\
Apologies for any offence caused.
As i stated last night I take things very literally and thought you were just taking the mic out of me which made me feel humiliated and angry.
As i said sorry to if you were only making a lighthearted joke which i understand you were so can we just clear the air on this subject. Just make sure that if you are trying to have a laugh which involves me that i will take it literally so thats why i took it that way
It's ok. Quite a few people on the site, including myself are autistic, anyway, back to buses :). Has 810 arrived at WB yet?
810 is a BC Enviro200, the only one which isnt branded for the 99
But then if its been transferred to PE that explains why I have seen it on the 99 or X64 for a while
810 was still at BC on the 99 a few days ago.
Quote from: uniquicity on April 10, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
810 was still at BC on the 99 a few days ago.
It is supposed to be going to West Brom at the end of the month when the 99 is shortened to The Priory Queensway, so there in not long left to find it at Central. ;)
Right tomorrow I'm going to stand on Priory Queensway incase its on the X64 Or the 99, but hopefully I will see it tomorrow along side 804/808 the only other 2 enviros I need and a abetter picture of 809 8).
Quote from: NathanJC on April 10, 2013, 08:32:09 PM
Right tomorrow I'm going to stand on Priory Queensway incase its on the X64 Or the 99, but hopefully I will see it tomorrow along side 804/808 the only other 2 enviros I need and a abetter picture of 809 8).
That's at least 2 hours. hopefully it's warmer tomorrow!! :)
Quote from: John on April 10, 2013, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on April 10, 2013, 08:32:09 PM
Right tomorrow I'm going to stand on Priory Queensway incase its on the X64 Or the 99, but hopefully I will see it tomorrow along side 804/808 the only other 2 enviros I need and a abetter picture of 809 8).
That's at least 2 hours. hopefully it's warmer tomorrow!! :)
823 on 246 route today
823 on 205 today.
823 is on the X96 again today
Quote from: John on April 13, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
823 is on the X96 again today
Here it is in Dudley this morning: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8645870861/in/photostream
Just a thought, PE's Enviro's must be proving themselves to be quite reliable so far as 823 is very rarely to be seen on the 222, and I'll be honest its good PE are putting newer singles were possible on the X96 because its a monster of a route with lots of passengers, lots of hills and lots of miles with very very little layover time
The PE Enviros definitely feel faster than the BC ones
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 13, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
The PE Enviros definitely feel faster than the BC ones
When i first read that i thought you were on about Enviro 400's! Shows i'm half asleep:)
Imagine E400's on the Welsh house farm estate on the 99 :D
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 13, 2013, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 13, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
The PE Enviros definitely feel faster than the BC ones
When i first read that i thought you were on about Enviro 400's! Shows i'm half asleep:)
Imagine E400's on the Welsh house farm estate on the 90 :D
You mean the 99!
Go to sleep, go to sleep.. ;D
Typo error sorry :) I do need sleep though which i will do in a bit.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 14, 2013, 12:02:11 AM
Typo error sorry :) I do need sleep though which i will do in a bit.
I know ;) and yes we both do after today.
Quote from: wilmotm on April 13, 2013, 11:48:28 PM
Just a thought, PE's Enviro's must be proving themselves to be quite reliable so far as 823 is very rarely to be seen on the 222, and I'll be honest its good PE are putting newer singles were possible on the X96 because its a monster of a route with lots of passengers, lots of hills and lots of miles with very very little layover time
To be honest, the PE ones seem very hard worked, they don't seem to have much layover time at either Dudley or Merry Hill.
As long as it doesn't come out that they are doing to many miles!!!
Quote from: John on April 13, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
823 is on the X96 again today
823 was on the X96 Again today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 15, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
Quote from: John on April 13, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
823 is on the X96 again today
823 was on the X96 Again today
That must be it's second home. Saying that I have never seen it on the 222!
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on April 15, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
Quote from: John on April 13, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
823 is on the X96 again today
823 was on the X96 Again today
That must be it's second home. Saying that I have never seen it on the 222!
It has been on the 222, but usually if they are short on the 222, its a B6 or a Merc.
It seems more unusual to get 823 on the 222 than it is any other PE route!
Well I have photographed it on the 222 multiple times
Did anyone catch what 823 was working today, haven't seen it all day, but when i popped to PE, 826 was parked up, so could it have been on the 222?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 17, 2013, 09:01:11 PM
Did anyone catch what 823 was working today, haven't seen it all day, but when i popped to PE, 826 was parked up, so could it have been on the 222?
I saw it on the 243 in Quarry Bank today. :)
Quote from: s94 on April 17, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 17, 2013, 09:01:11 PM
Did anyone catch what 823 was working today, haven't seen it all day, but when i popped to PE, 826 was parked up, so could it have been on the 222?
I saw it on the 243 in Quarry Bank today. :)
So it would've been on the 244 too, and maybe the 276 this evening, possibly now
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
826 was seen in Dudley bus station at lunchtime with a number of drivers on it, the destination display said something like "Bus Users UK"?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 18, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
826 was seen in Dudley bus station at lunchtime with a number of drivers on it, the destination display said something like "Bus Users UK"?
Oh right, there were a few PE buses heading all over the place today, a few came down the Himley road with a few drivers on board so something was going on
Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 18, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
826 was seen in Dudley bus station at lunchtime with a number of drivers on it, the destination display said something like "Bus Users UK"?
Oh right, there were a few PE buses heading all over the place today, a few came down the Himley road with a few drivers on board so something was going on
That's interesting, maybe route learning, but what route?
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
Suppose just for the fact that it is the only PE unbranded Enviro 200 and it seems to be attempting to do every PE route, although it hasn't done the 9, YET!
Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
I am more than enthusiastic, I am mad about Black Country buses ;)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 18, 2013, 07:09:05 PM
Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
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Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
826 was seen in Dudley bus station at lunchtime with a number of drivers on it, the destination display said something like "Bus Users UK"?
Oh right, there were a few PE buses heading all over the place today, a few came down the Himley road with a few drivers on board so something was going on
That's interesting, maybe route learning, but what route?
There's only the 223 that uses himley road but that's arriva, would be nice to see nx back on the route. Can't see it happening myself though.
Think also it is the fact that PE have some newer buses to follow, for years its been B6s, Mercs B10bs, B10Ls, now we have B7RLEs and Enviro 200s as well as the Enviro 400s.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
I am more than enthusiastic, I am mad about Black Country buses ;)
Don't get a girlfriend then, bus interest drops dramatically lol. Do ya reckon you'll be a driver when you can then?
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
I am more than enthusiastic, I am mad about Black Country buses ;)
Don't get a girlfriend then, bus interest drops dramatically lol. Do ya reckon you'll be a driver when you can then?
I have never wanted a girlfriend (or boyfriend before you ask!)
I will get (or try to get - don't know how good I'll be yet!) a PCV license, but how much I'll use it I'm not sure yet. I'm already involved at The Green Bus, only voluntary work at the moment (which I very much enjoy!) but it is likely to lead onto paid work by the summer
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Quote from: BCMobile on April 18, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
I am more than enthusiastic, I am mad about Black Country buses ;)
Don't get a girlfriend then, bus interest drops dramatically lol. Do ya reckon you'll be a driver when you can then?
I have never wanted a girlfriend (or boyfriend before you ask!)
I will get (or try to get - don't know how good I'll be yet!) a PCV license, but how much I'll use it I'm not sure yet. I'm already involved at The Green Bus, only voluntary work at the moment (which I very much enjoy!) but it is likely to lead onto paid work by the summer
Oh that's positive, very similar to what I was doing at an Independent when I was younger. Rules were slacker then so I was doing more then cleaning if you catch my drift. All gone now. The scary thing is, what if these are the good old days?
However, gaining your PCV licence can be the best or worst thing you do, dependent on various variables. For myself, its the best thing I've done ever. Reccomended. Highly.
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 18, 2013, 08:39:20 PM
Turning back the clock a little, but here it is on the 289 in Merry Hill on Tuesday 2nd April: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/8661482748/in/photostream
Sorry for being simple, but why is 823 famous?
It's already been put on every PE route except the 9, 120 and 141
I see, I see. Blimey you black country lads are certainly enthusiastic!
I am more than enthusiastic, I am mad about Black Country buses ;)
Don't get a girlfriend then, bus interest drops dramatically lol. Do ya reckon you'll be a driver when you can then?
I have never wanted a girlfriend (or boyfriend before you ask!)
I will get (or try to get - don't know how good I'll be yet!) a PCV license, but how much I'll use it I'm not sure yet. I'm already involved at The Green Bus, only voluntary work at the moment (which I very much enjoy!) but it is likely to lead onto paid work by the summer
Oh that's positive, very similar to what I was doing at an Independent when I was younger. Rules were slacker then so I was doing more then cleaning if you catch my drift. All gone now. The scary thing is, what if these are the good old days?
However, gaining your PCV licence can be the best or worst thing you do, dependent on various variables. For myself, its the best thing I've done ever. Reccomended. Highly.
Could you tell me anything about the variables about getting a PCV license, and also the costs involved?
In fact, message me, so we don't clog up another thread ;)
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Quote from: wilmotm on April 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
222 today and haven't seen 826 so could be covering
826 was seen in Dudley bus station at lunchtime with a number of drivers on it, the destination display said something like "Bus Users UK"?
Oh right, there were a few PE buses heading all over the place today, a few came down the Himley road with a few drivers on board so something was going on
That's interesting, maybe route learning, but what route?
Interesting, went to PE again today, as i arrived, 508 was just leaving with drivers on board, and a white B10B was parked over the far side of the garage.
Are PE getting new routes?
The B10B is out for training spotted it in dudley aroun 12pm
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
823 was on the X96 today :)
Quote from: trainbasher on April 19, 2013, 11:35:12 PM
823 was on the X96 today :)
Again! I just wish they'd hurry up and put it on the 9 ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 19, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 19, 2013, 11:35:12 PM
823 was on the X96 today :)
Again! I just wish they'd hurry up and put it on the 9 ;D
You would like it for the comedy value mind you it would be funny to see.
Looks like its the 222 today for it
Quote from: tank90 on April 20, 2013, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on April 19, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on April 19, 2013, 11:35:12 PM
823 was on the X96 today :)
Again! I just wish they'd hurry up and put it on the 9 ;D
You would like it for the comedy value mind you it would be funny to see.
Valid, but face it it's only a step up from other garages putting them on busy routes like WB on the 5 and BC on the 14/45/47 etc
Didn't central do that?
823 is spending today on Timbertree and Baptist Ends today
222 today, but on a separate note they do seem to be taking an age to add the next stop announcement systems, but I can't imagine its that hard as all the hardware seems to be installed already
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
the state of merry hill bus station is the main problem
I couldn't help but notice that 823's O/S mirror is a replacement. I'm positive it wouldn't of been delivered like this. I expect it was a minor collision within the garage?
Quote from: karl724223 on April 23, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
the state of merry hill bus station is the main problem
Thanks Karl,
I seem to remember the B6LE's all suffering from similar skirt damage and assumed it may been the speed humps back to the depot
Quote from: BCMobile on April 24, 2013, 04:34:59 PM
I couldn't help but notice that 823's O/S mirror is a replacement. I'm positive it wouldn't of been delivered like this. I expect it was a minor collision within the garage?
street furniture v long mirror arms
Quote from: karl724223 on April 23, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
the state of merry hill bus station is the main problem
Are their still plans to rebuild Merry Hill Bus Station?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 24, 2013, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on April 23, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
the state of merry hill bus station is the main problem
Are their still plans to rebuild Merry Hill Bus Station?
Yes, throughout 2014 last I heard
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 24, 2013, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on April 23, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 19, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
I've noticed a number of PE's Enviro 200's including 823, 826 & 829 have all got bent skirt panels between the rear wheel arch & emergency exit doors on the offside only, I wonder if the speed humps on Pensnett trading estate are the culprit?
the state of merry hill bus station is the main problem
Are their still plans to rebuild Merry Hill Bus Station?
I was under the impression that they would be making a start on the bus station re-development this year, with bus priorities (i.e. bus lanes/gates) to follow in 2014
823 has been doing the 53 yestarday and today, dosen't want want to do the 289 :D
Quote from: dgss1 on April 25, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
823 has been doing the 53 yestarday and today, dosen't want want to do the 289 :D
Thought they interworked?
they do, but it must be on a board that dosen't
823 was on 141 did 2 trips into brum this morning was back at garage for 1030 that was the duty
Quote from: karl724223 on April 30, 2013, 07:55:20 PM
823 was on 141 did 2 trips into brum this morning was back at garage for 1030 that was the duty
Thats why its on the 241 this afternoon then.
Was on the 205 On Saturday just.
It was on the 276 today (Saturday) before going onto the 244 and 243 in the evening
297 today, although just got taken off
On the 222 all day for a change.
Laying over in the centre stands @ West Bromwich Bus Station early afternoon 15/05/13. Didn't record which route it was working - possibly the 40 from memory?
Quote from: Ossie on May 15, 2013, 11:52:14 PM
Parked up in the centre stands @ West Bromwich Bus Station early afternoon 15/05/13. Didn't catch which route it was working.
53/289 then
Quote from: nitromatt1 on May 15, 2013, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: Ossie on May 15, 2013, 11:52:14 PM
Parked up in the centre stands @ West Bromwich Bus Station early afternoon 15/05/13. Didn't catch which route it was working.
53/289 then
Don't recall it as being one of those, Matt. From memory, I think it was displaying 40. Just wondering here if it was on a temporary loan to WB .....
it was on the 53 I saw it myself
Quote from: dgss1 on May 16, 2013, 07:47:04 AM
it was on the 53 I saw it myself
And therefore the 289 too as they interwork at WB station
246 today
I might get it tonight if im lucky
On 243/244 today
Quote from: ade on May 22, 2013, 05:54:40 PM
On 243/244 today
Where did you see it and what time? Would like to work out its running board
On the X96 again today
276 earlier this evening. John
243/4 today.
pn to wb ??
Quote from: karl724223 on May 30, 2013, 07:49:17 PM
pn to wb ??
Take it my favourite PN E200 is leaving already then :(
I do hope not, really like 823 and its been a really useful bus for PE to have at the moment, what with all the issues that are arising, a new single deck that can go one any route and is pretty reliable, but it wouldn't surprise me what with the change to the 222, in particular in that 823 spends far more time off the 222 than on it but then at least PE seem to have a clear use for their Enviro's, WB seem to just randomly scatter them all over the place, which yes will benefit those journeys but will do little to increase patronage and advertise certain routes as there is no guarantee you will get a new bus
276 today.
Sadly I can confirm 823 has now left PE where it has become a bit of an enthusiasts favourite with no telling which route it would appear on next. With it only not appearing on the 9. Sadly I'm not sure it will recieve such a following at WB, blending in with all the other Enviro's.
A full list of PE routes operated includes:
53
120
140
141
205
222
241
243
244
246
276
289
297
256 (Schools)
X96
So sorry that 823 has gone, i assumed that it had been bought with money from the Brierley Hill Bus Transformation and so would be required to stay at PE.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 09, 2013, 10:48:43 AM
So sorry that 823 has gone, i assumed that it had been bought with money from the Brierley Hill Bus Transformation and so would be required to stay at PE.
I don't think the money went towards these new Enviro200s, they have been bought by NX themselves, to show commitment to the overall improvements. Although you can debate the commitment when one of the main routes is being reduced in frequency!
I think the money is mostly being spent on Capital infrastructure projects like the new Bus Station and the new access road.
At least 823 won't go up in flames now ;-)
For you PE boys, isn't it a case of 823 is dead, long live 824?
Maybe the thread needs to be re-titled?
Potentially but I'm not sure that the PVR of the 222 has actually decreased with the frequency decrease just longer journey/layover times but we'll see, it might venture onto other routes but don't think it'll be quite as nomadic as 823
well 824 was on the 222 yesterday, it's on again today
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 09, 2013, 12:43:36 PM
Potentially but I'm not sure that the PVR of the 222 has actually decreased with the frequency decrease just longer journey/layover times but we'll see, it might venture onto other routes but don't think it'll be quite as nomadic as 823
The 222 has only had a slight frequency decrease from every 12 mins to every 15mins from today
824 on the X96 today.
823 is spending it's first full day in service in WB on the 40.
Quote from: JackC on June 10, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
823 is spending it's first full day in service in WB on the 40.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007861255/
I wonder, is it now going to become west brom's lone wanderer? Will we start seeing it on routes like the 83/89, 74/75, 48 etc...?
Quote from: Kevin on June 11, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
I wonder, is it now going to become west brom's lone wanderer? Will we start seeing it on routes like the 83/89, 74/75, 48 etc...?
God forbid it gets on the 74/75 - it'll get full in 2 minutes and wrecked in 4 ::) ::)
Quote from: JackC on June 11, 2013, 07:44:07 AM
Quote from: Kevin on June 11, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
I wonder, is it now going to become west brom's lone wanderer? Will we start seeing it on routes like the 83/89, 74/75, 48 etc...?
God forbid it gets on the 74/75 - it'll get full in 2 minutes and wrecked in 4 ::) ::)
Having said that if I were a bus company I wouldn't want new buses on those routes. Many hundreds of thousands of pounds will be ruined. For instance, you wouldn't give free lifts to scum using a Bugatti Veyron. You'll use eldery buses instead. ;)
Yes., 824 is starting to be all over the shop with it, no longer branded, being on the X96 today.
Its heading Stourbridge bound ex Merry Hill at the moment
I remember seeing 824 on the 297 back in February with its 222 branding
This is probably going to be worst suggestion ever made on here, but wouldn't it make more sense transferring the 222 to West Bromwich garage and operate it from there where there are 14 enviro 200's allowing the 222 to be permanently enviro 200 operated where currently at Pensnett there is one spare vehicle but if two enviro 200's are off the road then a b6le or merc will have to cover. WB have operated the 636 before and that went no where near West Bromwich so there would just be dead mileage between Dudley and West Bromwich when running to and from the garage so may be a few 74E or 121 working to cover this. In return the 45 could be transferred to Walsall with the b6le's leaving room for the 7 enviro 200's from Pensnett.
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
This is probably going to be worst suggestion ever made on here, but wouldn't it make more sense transferring the 222 to West Bromwich garage and operate it from there where there are 14 enviro 200's allowing the 222 to be permanently enviro 200 operated where currently at Pensnett there is one spare vehicle but if two enviro 200's are off the road then a b6le or merc will have to cover. WB have operated the 636 before and that went no where near West Bromwich so there would just be dead mileage between Dudley and West Bromwich when running to and from the garage so may be a few 74E or 121 working to cover this. In return the 45 could be transferred to Walsall with the b6le's leaving room for the 7 enviro 200's from Pensnett.
Not a bad suggestion but I think it would make more sense to purchase more E200 and upgrade the 243/4 and possibly the 297.
Quote from: richie on June 12, 2013, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
This is probably going to be worst suggestion ever made on here, but wouldn't it make more sense transferring the 222 to West Bromwich garage and operate it from there where there are 14 enviro 200's allowing the 222 to be permanently enviro 200 operated where currently at Pensnett there is one spare vehicle but if two enviro 200's are off the road then a b6le or merc will have to cover. WB have operated the 636 before and that went no where near West Bromwich so there would just be dead mileage between Dudley and West Bromwich when running to and from the garage so may be a few 74E or 121 working to cover this. In return the 45 could be transferred to Walsall with the b6le's leaving room for the 7 enviro 200's from Pensnett.
Not a bad suggestion but I think it would make more sense to purchase more E200 and upgrade the 243/4 and possibly the 297.
Would that be another 11 or 12 required?
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2013, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: richie on June 12, 2013, 05:25:41 PM
Quote from: Ash on June 12, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
This is probably going to be worst suggestion ever made on here, but wouldn't it make more sense transferring the 222 to West Bromwich garage and operate it from there where there are 14 enviro 200's allowing the 222 to be permanently enviro 200 operated where currently at Pensnett there is one spare vehicle but if two enviro 200's are off the road then a b6le or merc will have to cover. WB have operated the 636 before and that went no where near West Bromwich so there would just be dead mileage between Dudley and West Bromwich when running to and from the garage so may be a few 74E or 121 working to cover this. In return the 45 could be transferred to Walsall with the b6le's leaving room for the 7 enviro 200's from Pensnett.
Not a bad suggestion but I think it would make more sense to purchase more E200 and upgrade the 243/4 and possibly the 297.
Would that be another 11 or 12 required?
9 for 243/4 and 5 for 297 so 14 plus spare if you take into consideration the 222 pvr of 6 then you will need 20 e200 for service plus one spare (824) plus one spare if 243/4 and 297 upgraded. So a purchase of 15 would be enough to upgrade the routes.
Also if the 17 remaking enviros at perry Barr were to transfer then the 246 and X96 could be upgraded leaving 2 running cards requiring a B7rle of which there are 4 spare so 2 late night boards could use the b7
Quote from: richie on June 12, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
Also if the 17 remaking enviros at perry Barr were to transfer then the 246 and X96 could be upgraded leaving 2 running cards requiring a B7rle of which there are 4 spare so 2 late night boards could use the b7
I think more E200's or B7RLE's at PE is quite likely, still don't think PE will see the PB Enviros for upgrading the 246 & X96, but I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong.....
There will 16 remaining at PB once 4736 finally moves across to WA, i.e. 4698 & 4718-4732
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Quote from: trainbasher on June 12, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Plus with the limitations of space that WB have, they would probably have to transfer another route to PE to compensate.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on June 12, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Plus with the limitations of space that WB have, they would probably have to transfer another route to PE to compensate.
There's plenty of space. 171 vehicles is easy. There were over 180 in 2005/06.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on June 12, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Plus with the limitations of space that WB have, they would probably have to transfer another route to PE to compensate.
There's plenty of space. 171 vehicles is easy. There were over 180 in 2005/06.
I confused then because i thought the reason the 53/289 was transferred to PE was because of limited space at WB?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on June 12, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Plus with the limitations of space that WB have, they would probably have to transfer another route to PE to compensate.
There's plenty of space. 171 vehicles is easy. There were over 180 in 2005/06.
I confused then because i thought the reason the 53/289 was transferred to PE was because of limited space at WB?
Originally the outstation on oak road was thought to have been closing & a possible new oustation opening by the hawthorns, along with 16 & 101 possibly moving out of PB but plans change........
Quote from: uniquicity on June 12, 2013, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 12, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: trainbasher on June 12, 2013, 09:08:41 PM
But isn't the 222 better at PE as its closer to it (Pensnett only 5 minutes away from half of the route) compared to West Bromwich.
Plus with the limitations of space that WB have, they would probably have to transfer another route to PE to compensate.
There's plenty of space. 171 vehicles is easy. There were over 180 in 2005/06.
Not true, in 2005 the fleet still had a large number of minibuses in the total, and were parked much closer together than is safely allowed now
I'll concede the health and safety business. There were 55+ Mercs in 2005 compared to 33 now. Mercs are longer than the B7TL which have replaced them since which will have created some more space.
Back on the 222 2day
bought out of garage by me for 3 trips
222 branded 825 on 53/289
Quote from: dgss1 on June 13, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
222 branded 825 on 53/289
824 at garage today at 11am.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 14, 2013, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on June 13, 2013, 04:26:41 PM
222 branded 825 on 53/289
824 at garage today at 11am.
On the X96 leaving dudley around 17:10 towards Wrens Nest
Quite surprised this evening to see 824 on the Hagley Rd working the 120 ( I think or it could have been the 140) Only caught a glimpse and was a bit taken aback but it was definitely in service around 7.20pm just past Five Ways.
Quote from: barry on June 18, 2013, 12:39:21 AM
Quite surprised this evening to see 824 on the Hagley Rd working the 120 ( I think or it could have been the 140) Only caught a glimpse and was a bit taken aback but it was definitely in service around 7.20pm just past Five Ways.
Was on 120 all day
On the 53/289 today
243/4 today
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 19, 2013, 07:36:11 PM
243/4 today
Possibly 276 aswell if its on a board that interworks but may have gone back to the garage.
I have a photo of 824 on the 244 in Dudley which i may upload.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 19, 2013, 07:36:11 PM
243/4 today
Well it started off the day on the 222 around 8 o'clock! So does that mean that possibly it could have done 222, 243, 244 and then 276 all in one day?
Here it is in Dudley this afternoon on the 244: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/9089200566/
823 was on the 451 last night, following 812's appearance the night before it mopped-up the WB entire allocation rather neatly.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on June 19, 2013, 11:36:48 PM
Here it is in Dudley this afternoon on the 244: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitromatt1/9089200566/
on the 53/289 today
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 20, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
823 was on the 451 last night, following 812's appearance the night before it mopped-up the WB entire allocation rather neatly.
The 451? You mean the 5 as its now called?
Yes, that's right, the 451.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 20, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 20, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
823 was on the 451 last night, following 812's appearance the night before it mopped-up the WB entire allocation rather neatly.
The 451? You mean the 5 as its now called?
I did wonder what he was talking about lol
Against the grain of NXWM/Centro's thinking, it's possible to remember a three digit number very easily. Much like the 377 and 366 that serve Walsall from thereabouts.
Especially when that bus has been the 451 for generations, and not one single member of the public asked for it to be "simplified."
on the 297 today
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 24, 2013, 05:50:28 PM
on the 297 today
It's been on there before, but in February, with 222 branding!!
Also been on the staff bus a few times.
Just thought I'd share, because it's been mentioned before regards the E200s and the E400s, but on saturday I was waiting for the 46 to West Brom, and one went past the other way and I genuinely could SMELL it coming!!! This can't still be a new bus smell, what the hell is it?
Quote from: Kevin on August 05, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
Just thought I'd share, because it's been mentioned before regards the E200s and the E400s, but on saturday I was waiting for the 46 to West Brom, and one went past the other way and I genuinely could SMELL it coming!!! This can't still be a new bus smell, what the hell is it?
I know exactly what you mean, I always smell an Enviro200 when I walk past it, especially the PN ones, I usually don't like strong smells but I actually quite like this one
The smell of the WB examples is beginning to slightly fade
Quote from: Sayeed_M on August 20, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
Front side of the 806 specifically on under the lights on the left side panel turned into pink
Yuss, front quarter panel had been replaced after an old mate of mine bumped it on the 99. Oddly, there be no polish applied to that panel.
824 on the 276 today.
99 Branded 806 was on the 58 today first NXWM Enviro 200 I've seen in Solihull and I have posted this in the "Route Branded Buses Off Route" Thread :)
Wrong thread for my post
On the 276 yesterday & today, but was today later on the 205
Back on the 222's Today.
not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 05, 2013, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 05, 2013, 04:34:50 PM
not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 05, 2013, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 05, 2013, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 05, 2013, 04:34:50 PM
not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Only PN route between West Bromwich and Merry Hill is the 53
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 05, 2013, 06:01:35 PM
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not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Only PN route between West Bromwich and Merry Hill is the 53
Its the 289 :D found it on my timetable in my room, and the 289 runs from West Bromwich - Merry Hill too
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not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Only PN route between West Bromwich and Merry Hill is the 53
Its the 289 :D found it on my timetable in my room, and the 289 runs from West Bromwich - Merry Hill too
Then you need to update your timetables, the 289 hasn't gone to Merry Hill for months. The 289 operates between West Bromwich and Old Hill
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not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Only PN route between West Bromwich and Merry Hill is the 53
Its the 289 :D found it on my timetable in my room, and the 289 runs from West Bromwich - Merry Hill too
Then you need to update your timetables, the 289 hasn't gone to Merry Hill for months. The 289 operates between West Bromwich and Old Hill
Oh ::) looks like I do then, thank you
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not for long, was running the 239 or 238
Eh?
What route is it 239 or 238 or 289 that runs in Wet Bromwich from Merry Hill
Only PN route between West Bromwich and Merry Hill is the 53
Its the 289 :D found it on my timetable in my room, and the 289 runs from West Bromwich - Merry Hill too
Then you need to update your timetables, the 289 hasn't gone to Merry Hill for months. The 289 operates between West Bromwich and Old Hill
Oh ::) looks like I do then, thank you
The only WB - MH buses as far as I remember are the 4M and 53 (and 226W on Sundays)
Was on the 53 & 289's today.
On 120 today, seen in the city centre around 22:25 this evening
My bus today out of garage on 53/289
on 53 again
On the X96 today
on 246 today
My bus all day today 7.70 till18.30
Awful long duty that is Karl. And what time is '7.70'?
Should be 7.30 till 18.30 staff bus all day
Quote from: karl724223 on September 15, 2013, 08:15:06 PM
Should be 7.30 till 18.30 staff bus all day
Is this just a Sunday only bus run? Due to less services running by the garage?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 15, 2013, 09:01:50 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on September 15, 2013, 08:15:06 PM
Should be 7.30 till 18.30 staff bus all day
Is this just a Sunday only bus run? Due to less services running by the garage?
I like the choice of destination display today whilst it was on staff bus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9764584545/
;) ;) ;)
Monday 16/09/13 - 297
Wednesday 18/09/13 - 53/289
Friday 20/09/13 - 222
On the 80 today. Unusual?
Quote from: ade on September 20, 2013, 11:54:40 PM
On the 80 today. Unusual?
Depends what time, one early morning peak journey is booked as an E200, apart from that, it's fully Volvo B7TL
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 20, 2013, 11:59:14 PM
Quote from: ade on September 20, 2013, 11:54:40 PM
On the 80 today. Unusual?
Depends what time, one early morning peak journey is booked as an E200, apart from that, it's fully Volvo B7TL
it was all day
Was on 46 yesterday.
Was on the 222 yesterday.
On the dns(246)today
Pity I wasn't in work today otherwise I may have caught it on my commute (breaks up the normality of tridents) :-)
Quote from: ade on September 22, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Was on 46 yesterday.
The Enviro 200's are the main allocation on the 46 anything else on there is rare so seeing 823 is not that uncommon probably on there a few times a week.
Quote from: Ash on September 23, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: ade on September 22, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Was on 46 yesterday.
The Enviro 200's are the main allocation on the 46 anything else on there is rare so seeing 823 is not that uncommon probably on there a few times a week.
He did not say it was unusual, the point of this thread is just following which routes it's on
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 23, 2013, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 23, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: ade on September 22, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Was on 46 yesterday.
The Enviro 200's are the main allocation on the 46 anything else on there is rare so seeing 823 is not that uncommon probably on there a few times a week.
He did not say it was unusual, the point of this thread is just following which routes it's on
Ok, don't really see the point in noting where the bus is especially when it's on a service it normally works on, otherwise every day will get a report saying either the 40/45/46. Not saying not note where the bus is but would be better if it was an unusual working.
Quote from: Ash on September 23, 2013, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 23, 2013, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 23, 2013, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: ade on September 22, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Was on 46 yesterday.
The Enviro 200's are the main allocation on the 46 anything else on there is rare so seeing 823 is not that uncommon probably on there a few times a week.
He did not say it was unusual, the point of this thread is just following which routes it's on
Ok, don't really see the point in noting where the bus is especially when it's on a service it normally works on, otherwise every day will get a report saying either the 40/45/46. Not saying not note where the bus is but would be better if it was an unusual working.
Hi Ash, this topic is just a bit of fum tracking the infamous 823 - both before and after transfer. Just a bit of jest
All workings on thus thread don't have to be rare.
Is there much point to this thread anymore? It was created because 823 was the only unbranded Enviro 200 at PE, but 823 is now at West Bromwich and rarely sees other routes than the 40 & 46
Hmm.. possibly. If you're all happy to, I'd move it to The Archive.
Does seem pointless though.
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 23, 2013, 08:33:37 PM
Is there much point to this thread anymore? It was created because 823 was the only unbranded Enviro 200 at PE, but 823 is now at West Bromwich and rarely sees other routes than the 40 & 46
The notoriety of 823 has now been picked up by 824.
move
824 is the new 823 :P
I say keep it. I am still interested in this what this bus is doing as I loved it when it was at Pensnett!
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 23, 2013, 08:33:37 PM
Is there much point to this thread anymore? It was created because 823 was the only unbranded Enviro 200 at PE, but 823 is now at West Bromwich and rarely sees other routes than the 40 & 46
I'm sure i usually see 820 or even 823 on the occasional 80. Usually the only E200's to appear on that route anyways... :/
What would you say if I merge the 823 & 824 together? Its up to you guys. Personally I don't care.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 23, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
What would you say if I merge the 823 & 824 together? Its up to you guys. Personally I don't care.
Tbh I don't see the harm in having 2 separate threads, but merging them wouldn't be the end of the world
What about a thread called E200s (or something similar) which would deal with 801 - 830
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 23, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
What about a thread called E200s (or something similar) which would deal with 801 - 830
I thought there already was one? I hope it wasn't one that got deleted..
I'll have a look and merge them if in find it.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 23, 2013, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 23, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
What about a thread called E200s (or something similar) which would deal with 801 - 830
I thought there already was one? I hope it wasn't one that got deleted..
I'll have a look and merge them if in find it.
Yes, I remember there's one entitled "Alexander Dennis Enviro200" somewhere
Bump
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 23, 2013, 08:54:25 PM
I say keep it. I am still interested in this what this bus is doing as I loved it when it was at Pensnett!
yeah that was only because it was on the 9
ONCE
823 on X96 today
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 08:03:25 PM
823 on X96 today
Noticed the number display on the rear is very poor, obviously another bus that thinks its the middle of the night during the day
2.).823 i don't even think appeared on the 9, 824 has appeared once
2.) 823 i don't think was on the 9, 824 has app
823 I don't think ever got onto the 9, 824 has been on once so far (with a happy me on board) :)
824 on 140/241 this afternoon/evening
Hasn't 824 been on every PE route now ?
might set myself a new mission ;) get 824 on every PE route ;D doubt it will appear on the 9/141 anytime soon though :) but I will try and see how I get on :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 09:34:07 PM
Hasn't 824 been on every PE route now ?
Think it has yes.
Wonder what was on the 222 today because 829 was at PE at lunchtime today.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:02:30 PM
might set myself a new mission ;) get 824 on every PE route ;D doubt it will appear on the 9/141 anytime soon though :) but I will try and see how I get on :)
You stand more chance on the 141 Nathan!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 09:34:07 PM
Hasn't 824 been on every PE route now ?
Think it has yes.
No, pretty sure it hasn't been on the 141 yet.
Not seen it reported on here yet, but I bet it has somewere down the line :)
824 also hasn't been on the 205 yet
Not seen it on most the PE routes, so 824 is left to do 141 & 205
Did 823 do a 205 journey ?
Only seen it on
246, 222 297/A
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
Not seen it on most the PE routes, so 824 is left to do 141 & 205
Did 823 do a 205 journey ?
Only seen it on
246, 222 297/A
824 has done the 205 and has probably done the 141 too as not everyone sees every working so may have sneaked on to the 141.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
Not seen it on most the PE routes, so 824 is left to do 141 & 205
Did 823 do a 205 journey ?
Only seen it on
246, 222 297/A
823 did the 205, but not 824. I think 823 did every Pensnett route except the 9. So between them 823 and 824 have done every Pensnett route.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
Not seen it on most the PE routes, so 824 is left to do 141 & 205
Did 823 do a 205 journey ?
Only seen it on
246, 222 297/A
823 did the 205, but not 824. I think 823 did every Pensnett route except the 9. So between them 823 and 824 have done every Pensnett route.
Never did see 823 in service at PE at all, only seen it at WB doing Driver training, not seen it since today on the 5
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
I want to see it on the 120 :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
No, you're most likely thinking of 823 which was reported on the 205 once. 824 has never been reported on the 205
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
It appears on the 120 regularly Nathan :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
Do you mean you just want to see it pesonally or are you not aware that it has appeared at least twice?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
No, you're most likely thinking of 823 which was reported on the 205 once. 824 has never been reported on the 205
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
It appears on the 120 regularly Nathan :)
Seen it once very quick though is it usually peak times ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
No, you're most likely thinking of 823 which was reported on the 205 once. 824 has never been reported on the 205
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
It appears on the 120 regularly Nathan :)
Seen it once very quick though is it usually peak times ?
No, it can be on an all day board any time. I saw it last thing at night on the 120 in Birmingham a few weeks back
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
No, you're most likely thinking of 823 which was reported on the 205 once. 824 has never been reported on the 205
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
It appears on the 120 regularly Nathan :)
Seen it once very quick though is it usually peak times ?
No, it can be on an all day board any time. I saw it last thing at night on the 120 in Birmingham a few weeks back
never happens when im around ;) ;D ;D
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 27, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I was sure 824 has been on the 205. Even if it was never reported still not everybody sees every 205 journey so may have sneaked onto there. (4809 did!)
No, you're most likely thinking of 823 which was reported on the 205 once. 824 has never been reported on the 205
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I want to see it on the 120 :)
It appears on the 120 regularly Nathan :)
Does it? This is news to me :o
824 on the 297 today
Friday 27/09/13 823 on the 42
Quote from: ade on September 30, 2013, 11:04:28 PM
Friday 27/09/13 823 on the 42
Nice to see it back in Dudley! What time did you see this, though? As Enviro200s are on the 42 every evening due to interworking with another route (can't remember which?)
Rush hour. Was actually in my car behind it Nr Tesco Burnt Tree heading away from Dudley.
823 was on the 46 yesterday.
What is the PVR of the 222? How many E200s do PE have?
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 03, 2013, 10:53:54 AM
What is the PVR of the 222? How many E200s do PE have?
PVR 6
7 E200's allocated 824-830
Quote from: richie on October 03, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 03, 2013, 10:53:54 AM
What is the PVR of the 222? How many E200s do PE have?
PVR 6
7 E200's allocated 824-830
So when all 6 branded Enviro200s are on there, them 824 will wonder onto other routes or have a day in garage
824 on 276 today
824 on the 120 mid afternoon but by late afternoon/early evening on the 276.
Quote from: ade on October 11, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
824 on the 120 mid afternoon but by late afternoon/early evening on the 276.
What time did you see it on the 276?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 11, 2013, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: ade on October 11, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
824 on the 120 mid afternoon but by late afternoon/early evening on the 276.
What time did you see it on the 276?
It went on the 276 around 16:00
Quote from: richie on October 11, 2013, 11:54:16 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 11, 2013, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: ade on October 11, 2013, 11:49:43 PM
824 on the 120 mid afternoon but by late afternoon/early evening on the 276.
What time did you see it on the 276?
It went on the 276 around 16:00
Which board?
824 on the 222 today.
824 on the 222 again yesterday(Sunday)
824 was on the 53 this morning
120 today
824 was on the 276 this evening
824 on x96 today
Wherever and whenever you see 824 please post here
most often on the 222 but can be seen on others, the rarest being the 9
Thank you for telling me the 222 nx Dom i live on that route as well as other routes could it be extremely rare if it was on the 141
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
Thank you for telling me the 222 nx Dom i live on that route as well as other routes could it be extremely rare if it was on the 141
Yeah i would say so
Has it been 0n the 126 59 82 or 529
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Has it been 0n the 126 59 82 or 529
No, those are Wolverhampton Routes
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Has it been 0n the 126 59 82 or 529
How can it operate those routes, it is a PE bus. Wolverhampton don't operate E200s
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Has it been 0n the 126 59 82 or 529
No, they are WN routes, 824 is based at PE garage so it would be very unlikely that it would be on one of those routes. Even on loan, it would be a last resort because WN have never operated E200s.
Thats impossible. 824 is a pensnett garage bus but the routes you mentioned are wolverhampton garage routes except the 141
There's always the 243 but why don't Wolverhampton operate e200s bc use the 99 and 98 ?
WN have the volvo b6LE's at there garage which the E200's replaced at pensnett
So wn have Volvo b6s and we get the new e200s
well there not exactly 'new' anymore but yeah kind of and really the e200's wouldn't be used on routes other than the 62/A and maybe the 82 at a push
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
So wn have Volvo b6s and we get the new e200s
Yes PE have E200s, which are mainly for use on the 222.
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
look here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/824.html
There are loads of photos of 824
Here's mine
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10190984776/
I also have one of it branded
Tonys pic
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/824.html
Also, http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=bx62syw
loads of people have just go on the main page and find 824 or type in on flickr 'national express west midlands 824'
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
There's always the 243 but why don't Wolverhampton operate e200s bc use the 99 and 98 ?
Only BC,WB and PE operate E200's at present although more garages may gain some of this type this year to replace B6's although NX haven't put in n order for any new buses yet so we will have to wait and see.
BTW that sentence doesn't seem to make sense
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
Will mine suffice?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/)
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
Will mine suffice?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/)
On of the rarest workings you will see it on Christopher. You cannot possibly have 824 operate WN routes like 59 and 529
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
Will mine suffice?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/)
On of the rarest workings you will see it on Christopher. You cannot possibly have 824 operate WN routes like 59 and 529
Never say never Nathan! :) :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 29, 2014, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
I know the e200 are not new anymore has anybody photographed 824 if they have please post it
Will mine suffice?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81045279@N08/9584246615/)
On of the rarest workings you will see it on Christopher. You cannot possibly have 824 operate WN routes like 59 and 529
Didn't you say that about 555?
;)
I did didn't i ;) Maybe because we loaned PN 4587 we can have 824 on loan ;D
Quote from: Nathan on January 29, 2014, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 29, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
There's always the 243 but why don't Wolverhampton operate e200s bc use the 99 and 98 ?
Only BC and PE operate E200's at present although more garages may gain some of this type this year to replace B6's although NX haven't put in n order for any new buses yet so we will have to wait and see.
BTW that sentence doesn't seem to make sense
Don't forget WB, they operate the most E200's!
824 made the 140 this evening
824 on the 276 yesterday
Registrations and body numbers for 831-860 are now on the main site at
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/0501-0830.html
allocations are being released on Friday
What garage these going to? And what route ?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
What garage these going to? And what route ?
"Allocations are being released on Friday"
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 20, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
What garage these going to? And what route ?
REALLY!?!?!? He states that the allocation (the garage they will go to will be released on friday.
Err REALLY it's called a mistake or miss read and we all do it... Just saying.
My prediction however, WA, WN, WB. Kind of stands to reason
NX Dom / Danny, can we leave comments there re: trident 4194's post and get back on topic please, Winston
I'm getting sick and tired of the nasty comments from certain members. Just because he's a new member and didn't read properly doesn't mean you all can be nasty to him. We all weren't nasty to you when you were new to this forum. If you don't have anything nice or bus-related to say, don't post at all.
Back on topic, wait for Tony to update the allocation information as soon as he receives it.
Quote from: danny on August 20, 2014, 11:18:56 AM
My prediction however, WA, WN, WB. Kind of stands to reason
Me too, just shy of thirty B6s left, so these should enable withdrawal of those stragglers.
I apologize Winston.
Question? Realistically, how many buses would it take to rid of the remaining mercs/B6s at WB?? Surely the average age of the garage has improved dramatically with new arrivals, can see it being one of the lowest soon.
Quote from: danny on August 20, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
I apologize Winston.
Question? Realistically, how many buses would it take to rid of the remaining mercs/B6s at WB?? Surely the average age of the garage has improved dramatically with new arrivals, can see it being one of the lowest soon.
29 buses
15 Mercs and 8 B6LE's & 6 Darts
Quote from: Sayeed on August 20, 2014, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: danny on August 20, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
I apologize Winston.
Question? Realistically, how many buses would it take to rid of the remaining mercs/B6s at WB?? Surely the average age of the garage has improved dramatically with new arrivals, can see it being one of the lowest soon.
23 buses
15 Mercs and 8 B6LE's
and the Darts
Bump
--
Seeing a new E200 thread appear I thought I'd re-open this one.
Can we assume that the 7xx series buses being registered YY means they were built at Scarborough and the 8xx series being registered in the S series were built at Falkirk,or is that completely wrong?
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 20, 2014, 07:46:11 PM
Can we assume that the 7xx series buses being registered YY means they were built at Scarborough and the 8xx series being registered in the S series were built at Falkirk,or is that completely wrong?
Correct
For anyone who is curious about the UK system of number plate coding, please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom,_Crown_dependencies_and_overseas_territories#Great_Britain
Enviro 200 lwb 831 to 860 (64 plate) wonder how many WN getting as I saw wb 8xx at Wolverhampton bus station this morning again for type training
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
Enviro 200 lwb 831 to 860 (64 plate) wonder how many WN getting as I saw wb 8xx at Wolverhampton bus station this morning again for type training
Probably 15
Quote from: Sayeed on August 21, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
Enviro 200 lwb 831 to 860 (64 plate) wonder how many WN getting as I saw wb 8xx at Wolverhampton bus station this morning again for type training
Probably 15
There are around 15 B6's left here so i would say around that mark.
818 is the E200 on loan to WN from WB. It has been here a few weeks now for type training
Hopefully they will be on the 27 (always on 27s back from work connects nicely to X96 in Dudley) /28/62 (A),
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 21, 2014, 09:52:45 PM
Hopefully they will be on the 27 (always on 27s back from work connects nicely to X96 in Dudley) /28/62 (A),
They will most likely be on routes such as the 28,27/A,62/A,82 etc in the week and they may see use on the 25A/C,11 and 81 at weekends
As promised, Tony has asked me to confirm the allocations for 831-860 LWB E200's due imminently:
WB - 831-39 (9)
WN - 840-54 (15)
WA - 855-60 (6)
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
As promised, Tony has asked me to confirm the allocations for 831-860 LWB E200's due imminently:
WB - 831-39 (9)
WN - 840-54 (15)
WA - 855-60 (6)
Take it the WA ones will illiminate the B6s?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2014, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
As promised, Tony has asked me to confirm the allocations for 831-860 LWB E200's due imminently:
WB - 831-39 (9)
WN - 840-54 (15)
WA - 855-60 (6)
Take it the WA ones will illiminate the B6s?
Looking at the quantities, they should eliminate B6LE's at all 3 garages
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2014, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
As promised, Tony has asked me to confirm the allocations for 831-860 LWB E200's due imminently:
WB - 831-39 (9)
WN - 840-54 (15)
WA - 855-60 (6)
Take it the WA ones will illiminate the B6s?
Looking at the quantities, they should eliminate B6LE's at all 3 garages
Cheers for that Winston. I did have a feeling WA would have the last few.
Quote from: Nathan on August 22, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 22, 2014, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 22, 2014, 01:29:31 PM
As promised, Tony has asked me to confirm the allocations for 831-860 LWB E200's due imminently:
WB - 831-39 (9)
WN - 840-54 (15)
WA - 855-60 (6)
Take it the WA ones will illiminate the B6s?
Looking at the quantities, they should eliminate B6LE's at all 3 garages
Cheers for that Winston. I did have a feeling WA would have the last few.
Makes sense for WA to have the end no.s ,probably first in line for next batch keep no.s in sequence!
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 20, 2014, 07:46:11 PM
Can we assume that the 7xx series buses being registered YY means they were built at Scarborough and the 8xx series being registered in the S series were built at Falkirk,or is that completely wrong?
Correct
Further to the above,I notice that Arriva new E40's are registered YY.
Does this again indicate Scarborough built buses?
Are double and single dockers therefore built at both Scarborough and Falkirk and not one at one and one at the other?
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 25, 2014, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 20, 2014, 07:46:11 PM
Can we assume that the 7xx series buses being registered YY means they were built at Scarborough and the 8xx series being registered in the S series were built at Falkirk,or is that completely wrong?
Correct
Further to the above,I notice that Arriva new E40's are registered YY.
Does this again indicate Scarborough built buses?
Are double and single dockers therefore built at both Scarborough and Falkirk and not one at one and one at the other?
I think you missed the link I gave earlier...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom,_Crown_dependencies_and_overseas_territories#Local_memory_tags
S- registered in Scotland
Y- registered in Yorkshire
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 25, 2014, 12:34:29 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2014, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 20, 2014, 07:46:11 PM
Can we assume that the 7xx series buses being registered YY means they were built at Scarborough and the 8xx series being registered in the S series were built at Falkirk,or is that completely wrong?
Correct
Further to the above,I notice that Arriva new E40's are registered YY.
Does this again indicate Scarborough built buses?
Are double and single dockers therefore built at both Scarborough and Falkirk and not one at one and one at the other?
Scarborough have built both E200's & E400's for some time, the link below gives you an idea of which batches of E400's Scarborough have built prior to the YY registration prefixes
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders
Any ideas when WN e200s are due?
Quote from: Chris2301 on August 27, 2014, 11:53:12 PM
Any ideas when WN e200s are due?
I'd imagine next two to three weeks as they are 64 plates they can't be on the road until the start of september.
Had a ride on 758 and 759 on the 121 service both from west brom to oldbury,
758 very nice smooth ride until you have to stop brakes seem harsh some adjustments required somewhere, didn't hear any rattling from the saloon area, from the cab I could hear cab door shield not much else, very good enviro 400 mini me.
759 as above but a lot more cab rattling going on disappointing to hear.
833 and 834 on delivery
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/Other-2/M6-Motorway/30654943_RHpKL3#!i=3495295557&k=Xb4Mmh8
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/Other-2/M6-Motorway/30654943_RHpKL3#!i=3495295560&k=tGfGpCS
Great to see 'Travel West Midlands' and the TWM logo on the display of 833 on its delivery run!
The first of WN's E200's appears to be imminent:
840 on delivery
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/Other-2/M6-Motorway/30654943_RHpKL3#!i=3512686004&k=D2ZFChG&lb=1&s=A
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
Quote from: pb2012 on September 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
this is happening more and more, 4943 had to have its reg changed because it was incorrectly registered.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: pb2012 on September 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
this is happening more and more, 4943 had to have its reg changed because it was incorrectly registered.
DVLA are getting useless!
Ok, have found the correct registrations,
859 should be SN64 OEO
&
860 should be SN64 OEP
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 06, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: pb2012 on September 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
this is happening more and more, 4943 had to have its reg changed because it was incorrectly registered.
DVLA are getting useless!
And they think that no paper tax disc is a good idea.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 06, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: pb2012 on September 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
this is happening more and more, 4943 had to have its reg changed because it was incorrectly registered.
DVLA are getting useless!
'Getting' ?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 07, 2014, 12:00:11 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 06, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2014, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: pb2012 on September 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
860 has the same reg as Abellio 2467 E400H?
this is happening more and more, 4943 had to have its reg changed because it was incorrectly registered.
DVLA are getting useless!
'Getting' ?
Although I must say their audit department is very thorough!!
NXWM E200's @ Leyland awaiting delivery to the West Midlands
839 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15156756801/
840 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15159350782/
841 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973000199/
843 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973161207/
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
NXWM E200's @ Leyland awaiting delivery to the West Midlands
839 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15156756801/
840 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15159350782/
841 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973000199/
843 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973161207/
So how long now until WN's are in service?
Quote from: NXDom on September 07, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
NXWM E200's @ Leyland awaiting delivery to the West Midlands
839 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15156756801/
840 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15159350782/
841 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973000199/
843 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973161207/
So how long now until WN's are in service?
It will still be a while yet, what's not to say Walsall will get theirs first, theoretically these will be delivered this week with the possibility of more so a plausible timescale would be the end of the month until all are in use
Quote from: Ashley on September 07, 2014, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: NXDom on September 07, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
NXWM E200's @ Leyland awaiting delivery to the West Midlands
839 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15156756801/
840 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/15159350782/
841 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973000199/
843 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/bunny400/14973161207/
So how long now until WN's are in service?
It will still be a while yet, what's not to say Walsall will get theirs first, theoretically these will be delivered this week with the possibility of more so a plausible timescale would be the end of the month until all are in use
As 840 onwards are for WN at least these four will surely be in service in the next week or so?
840 in service today on the 59.
834 at WA
837 is the only oustanding one at West Bromwich. All of 840-3 should have been delivered to WN yesterday
Are the new Alexander Dennis vehicles arriving so quickly to avoid import/export taxes, if there is a yes vote on the 18th?
Deliveries seem much quicker than usual. Will they have to be reregistered with English plates?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 10, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Are the new Alexander Dennis vehicles arriving so quickly to avoid import/export taxes, if there is a yes vote on the 18th?
Deliveries seem much quicker than usual. Will they have to be reregistered with English plates?
Nope, because if there is a"yes" vote Scotland won't leave the UK immediately, all the issues will have to be thrashed out first, so it will take some time.
It might become an issue over the course of the NX/ADL deal though, if ADL become a foreign company and with whatever trade arrangements will be in place.
Quote from: D10 on September 10, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 10, 2014, 08:13:50 PM
Are the new Alexander Dennis vehicles arriving so quickly to avoid import/export taxes, if there is a yes vote on the 18th?
Deliveries seem much quicker than usual. Will they have to be reregistered with English plates?
Nope, because if there is a"yes" vote Scotland won't leave the UK immediately, all the issues will have to be thrashed out first, so it will take some time.
It might become an issue over the course of the NX/ADL deal though, if ADL become a foreign company and with whatever trade arrangements will be in place.
They said on the tv earlier, that Independence is likely to happen around mid 2016 if it is voted for.
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Wrightbus are from Northern Ireland which is part of the UK not the Republic of Ireland.
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Wrightbus are based in the UK, Most Ballymena residents would be upset if you said they weren't
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Is that when it would happen bloody hell ages yet really!
Quote from: NXDom on September 10, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Is that when it would happen bloody hell ages yet really!
Scottish Independence day will be 24 March 2016 according to the YES vote website!!
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2014, 09:18:01 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM
If there is a 'yes' vote next week, Scotland wouldn't become an independent country until 2018 anyway, so four years away.
The deal with ADL has already been done, so I can't see anything being affected by this. NXWM dealt with Wrightbus for years, who were based in Ireland, not part of the UK.
Wrightbus are based in the UK, Most Ballymena residents would be upset if you said they weren't
Whoops, you are indeed right, I duly stand corrected! :-[
If there is a yes vote in Scotland most major decisions will be sorted out by the governments. It is the minor problems which may be difficult, for example, one which would interest this forum, the status of Dundee as NXWM's 11th garage.
is there going to be any more going to Walsall
Quote from: leewhayward29 on September 11, 2014, 10:09:32 PM
is there going to be any more going to Walsall
Just 855-860 which i imagine will arrive in the next few weeks
I truly can't wait for the E200 as it stands to start getting scrapped.
As for the E200MMC, the day can't come soon enough.
Roll on 2034...
Never noticed this, maybe it's new, but 764 has got a little bit of a union jack just to the left of the door with the words "built in Britain". Nice little touch I suppose
Unfortunately, LS, the day has come. Let's give a welcome to the E200MMC.
https://www.facebook.com/tnwbb/photos/pb.210588765685317.-2207520000.1415115928./723099861100869/?type=1&theater
The looks don't live up to the E400 MMCs, and the front just looks wrong (wiper placement wise). The duo doesn't look like it'll match on the street of Birmingham, some parts, yes, but other, maybe not so much. Let's just wait for pictures from different angles, eh? ::)
Certainly a different design to the previous incarnation - from the other angles it is not a bad looking bus - I just hope that they don't rattle or make as much noise as the current generation. Some of them are useless - I'm happy with Enviro 400s as double decks but I'd rather have had Wright Eclipses built on the Volvo B7RLE (the Volvo B8RLE now) chassis (or Citaros) as the standard single deck bus.
Found a video of one of the Reading Buses E400 MMCs - they are impressive looking buses.
Doesn't rattle a bit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji8l2DH6j04
The Wright Streetdeck is an unusual, striking looking bus, but in a way I quite like it. If it's been built like the previous Wright designs, with their good build quality, then I am sure it will make a good bus. The pictures are on the Wrightbus Streetdeck thread.
- More pics I've found of the E200MMC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15526140650/sizes/l (different angle)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15525564668/sizes/l (interior)
Plus the attractive looking Mercedes Citaro 2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15686349486/sizes/l
Not gonna lie im not a fan... It's like the designers pen slipped when drawing the front and know one had a rubber... Having said that, sometimes pictures don't do a bus justice, so im hoping that the major model c**k up looks better in person, this is ofcourse only my opinion, im sure if national express get any my opinion may change.
Quote from: danny on November 04, 2014, 08:52:50 PM
Not gonna lie im not a fan... It's like the designers pen slipped when drawing the front and know one had a rubber... Having said that, sometimes pictures don't do a bus justice, so im hoping that the major model c**k up looks better in person, this is ofcourse only my opinion, im sure if national express get any my opinion may change.
I agree. The asymmetric design is horrible. This only looks like the SWB (Short Wheelbase) - which already looks stubby and squashed. Can't say much of the interior, don't really like the rear window design, the camera in the middle is off-putting.
Am I the only one that likes the E200MMC design, I think it's good, it's different, I wouldn't have liked it if it was almost identical to the current Enviro 200. I do admit, the rear looks awful, reminiscent of a Plaxton Primo, I don't know why the rear destination display and black surrounds isn't at the top.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 04, 2014, 10:14:12 PM
Am I the only one that likes the E200MMC design, I think it's good, it's different, I wouldn't have liked it if it was almost identical to the current Enviro 200. I do admit, the rear looks awful, reminiscent of a Plaxton Primo, I don't know why the rear destination display and black surrounds isn't at the top.
Nah, I rather like it too, just not as blown away as I had hoped I would be. Ironically my first thought when I looked at the back was also "Plaxton Primo"
Looks a bit plain to me - I'll wait to see it in the flesh and other liveries first before commenting further.
In contrast that Wright Streetdecker is a head turner - not sure I fancy the idea of travelling on an MCW Orion inspired narrow upper deck window bus day in day out - the last time I had that dubious privelege was when the NOV Fleetlines were withdrawn in 1983! Great in preservation but that desig. creates a closed in chlostrophobic atmosphere - not passenger friendly. Also that glazed staircase 😳 doesn't seem advert friendly and they couldn't even fit the S of Sapphire in - oh wait - perhaps they only mocked it up for London livery.........cynical I know but Wrights double deck styling these days seems london - centric
I like it - it's certainly an improvement on the current model, looks wise. The front end would probably look better if it was symmetrical and the back if the window wasn't split in two, but it doesn't look odd to me. The shape of the back windows on each side is something I missed on the current model (unless that makes the back seat feel a bit cramped when you're surrounded by grey plastic) and it looks like on the inside the two side facing seats behind the driver now face forwards like on the E400s.
How different would people's comments be if they hadn't seen the E400MMC first? I for one was expecting the E200MMC to have the same design on the front end.
In response to N94, I think for me because the general consensus with ADL is to us the same design I was looking forward to seeing a single deck version of the MMC 400, and if the 200 was parallel on the front it would be I think, its the slope to the left glazing, looks very Japanese.
I like it actually, personal opinion but think it looks better than the current E200s. The only real issue I have with the looks is as mentioned elsewhere, swb version looks stubby and squashed, but then so do the current swb E200s so maybe the longer ones will follow suit
Ha! First thing I thought of when looking at this piece of proverbial was "Mitsubishi Fuso 1996". Typically KMB styling it seems.
Why couldn't they of stuck with the design of the 400MMC - only make it single deck? I think its a fair presumption we're all impressed with that.
I dislike the idea of single deck vehicles being of a virtually separate design to its DD counterpart.
Atleast it looks better then the rubbish old Enviro 200 design! Same with the Enviro 400.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 06, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
Atleast it looks better then the rubbish old Enviro 200 design! Same with the Enviro 400.
If they're even 10% better then the old E200 then I'd be impressed.
(I'm still struggling to find out how those got commissioned in the first place. Hateful hateful machines)
The new E200MMC's will be from 8.9M - 11.8M seating 32 up to 46.
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/enviro200-euro6/
I wonder if the the E300 will still be MMC'd or could it now be discontinued for Euro 6 onwards?
Quote from: Winston on November 07, 2014, 10:03:36 PM
The new E200MMC's will be from 8.9M - 11.8M seating 32 up to 46.
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/enviro200-euro6/
I wonder if the the E300 will still be MMC'd or could it now be discontinued for Euro 6 onwards?
Some pics from the gallery as well. I guess the driver cab door matches with the E400MMC... However I still don't like the rear window. It reminds me too much of a Volvo 7900(H).
The Interior looks far better from the exterior.
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/gallery/all-new-enviro200-interior/
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/gallery/all-new-enviro200-exterior/
Nah. Not feeling this new E200 at all. Looking at those gallery photos on ADL site, the design is too quirky. I doubt many liveries would suit it and the layout internally just seems wrong. That rear window is ghasty, hopefully its an option and only available on top spec models (NX should avoid this segment ;-) )
They should've kept with the E400MMC front end light clusters etc, that looks impressive. The E200MMC looks... Well, too mismatched. I dare say its a nice vehicle (doubt it) - but that design isn't welcoming. I doubt bus companies give a shit anyway, I mean look at what they've done with that new Arriva Volvo bus for Derby, the Sa of the sapphire logo looks missing on the stupid windowed staircase!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 08, 2014, 12:51:31 AM
Nah. Not feeling this new E200 at all. Looking at those gallery photos on ADL site, the design is too quirky. I doubt many liveries would suit it and the layout internally just seems wrong. That rear window is ghasty, hopefully its an option and only available on top spec models (NX should avoid this segment ;-) )
They should've kept with the E400MMC front end light clusters etc, that looks impressive. The E200MMC looks... Well, too mismatched. I dare say its a nice vehicle (doubt it) - but that design isn't welcoming. I doubt bus companies give a shit anyway, I mean look at what they've done with that new Arriva Volvo bus for Derby, the Sa of the sapphire logo looks missing on the stupid windowed staircase!
That's no Volvo LS, Wrights' own chassis with a Mercedes engine in the back
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2014, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 08, 2014, 12:51:31 AM
Nah. Not feeling this new E200 at all. Looking at those gallery photos on ADL site, the design is too quirky. I doubt many liveries would suit it and the layout internally just seems wrong. That rear window is ghasty, hopefully its an option and only available on top spec models (NX should avoid this segment ;-) )
They should've kept with the E400MMC front end light clusters etc, that looks impressive. The E200MMC looks... Well, too mismatched. I dare say its a nice vehicle (doubt it) - but that design isn't welcoming. I doubt bus companies give a shit anyway, I mean look at what they've done with that new Arriva Volvo bus for Derby, the Sa of the sapphire logo looks missing on the stupid windowed staircase!
That's no Volvo LS, Wrights' own chassis with a Mercedes engine in the back
Oh I'm mistaken! So it Wrights fully integral machine then? (Except for the Merc block in the back ha)
All 68 Enviro 200s in the fleet were on the road this morning. 100% availability, not bad for a rubbish bus!
Ironically the only other 100% availability was a complete extreme.... Pensnetts Mercs! - every one out today!
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2014, 11:56:36 AM
All 68 Enviro 200s in the fleet were on the road this morning. 100% availability, not bad for a rubbish bus!
Ironically the only other 100% availability was a complete extreme.... Pensnetts Mercs! - every one out today!
That's why PN's Mercs keep self combusting, they're worked too hard, they need a day off......
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2014, 11:56:36 AM
All 68 Enviro 200s in the fleet were on the road this morning. 100% availability, not bad for a rubbish bus!
Ironically the only other 100% availability was a complete extreme.... Pensnetts Mercs! - every one out today!
They might all be out in the road, those E200's, but not a single one would be enjoyed by the drivers/passengers I bet!