To save 26 different threads being started this one can be used for anything on the new buses.
Fleetnumbers are E001-19 (Yardley Wood) E020-29 (Coventry)
At the moment the first one is expected in just under 4 weeks time.
I do not have the registration numbers yet
Will some be 69 plates & the rest 20 plates or is it a case of wait & see when the first one is ready to be registered
@Tony?
I have to say
@Tony what we were shown on Tuesday in a presentation they look superb, the environmental benefits explained are amazing and are a credit to West Midlands Travel Ltd and you should be very proud of them this is exactly what we need going forward with enhanced partnerships with TfWM
Which service is getting the CV buses?
Get ready children with your tents and photo. This is the week the first bus is due to come
But
What day
And to
What garage ?
😂
Quote from: karl724223 on February 23, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
Get ready children with your tents and photo. This is the week the first bus is due to come
But
What day
And to
What garage ?
😂
No idea what day.
But while their ultimate destination is Yardley Wood, I'm going to guess they'll go to Birmingham Central first (for 'prep').
Younger forum members might not get this reference, but as these are for the 6 route, I'm hoping the branding won't be making use of the expression 'Electric 6'.
Because I'm going to get triggered if they carry 'danger high voltage' stickers on the side, like I've seen on some hybrids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FxmoVM7X4
(Wow, can't believe this song is 18 years old now!) :o
First one might be delivered tomorrow to bc
Quote from: karl724223 on February 25, 2020, 08:26:31 PM
First one might be delivered tomorrow to bc
3 are expected this week, with the first one tomorrow to BC
Quote from: Stu on February 25, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
No idea what day.
But while their ultimate destination is Yardley Wood, I'm going to guess they'll go to Birmingham Central first (for 'prep').
Younger forum members might not get this reference, but as these are for the 6 route, I'm hoping the branding won't be making use of the expression 'Electric 6'.
Because I'm going to get triggered if they carry 'danger high voltage' stickers on the side, like I've seen on some hybrids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FxmoVM7X4
(Wow, can't believe this song is 18 years old now!) :o
It'd need re-routing via Hurst Street or Lower Essex Street/Kent Street then as well.
Full details here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2020, 08:30:02 PM
3 are expected this week, with the first one tomorrow to BC
Or not!!
Quote from: RW on February 28, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
Or not!!
They're at BC. first one should go to YW for driver training Monday
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
No, they can operate on any route if needed. At the moment all charging will be done in garage.
When E002 arrived I spoke to the delivery driver who had brought it up from Heathrow, which presumably explains the London registrations. He set off with 93% charge, drove 105 miles to BC and arrived with 53% charge
Electric buses must be a win win situation, They might be more expensive than diesel buses but over their life span they might end up being more cost effective. Also as the electric bus fleet gets larger the diesel bill will get smaller. National Express should be applauded for this big bold move. The future looks interesting
I assume electric buses could also have a longer working life, and be deprecated over more years.
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
No, they can operate on any route if needed. At the moment all charging will be done in garage.
When E002 arrived I spoke to the delivery driver who had brought it up from Heathrow, which presumably explains the London registrations. He set off with 93% charge, drove 105 miles to BC and arrived with 53% charge
Excellent, I look forward to catching a ride on one when they stray onto the 2 or 3! 8)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 28, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
Electric buses must be a win win situation, They might be more expensive than diesel buses but over their life span they might end up being more cost effective. Also as the electric bus fleet gets larger the diesel bill will get smaller. National Express should be applauded for this big bold move. The future looks interesting
The diesel bill might go down, but the electric bill will go up!
Again, I have no idea how long it takes to fully charge one of these up and how much electricity is consumed, but still I imagine the cost-savings over the long-term will be significant.
What service(s) are going to use the Coventry electrics? Can't be the 11/U/12X can it? They already have Platinums unless if they're going elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
The diesel bill might go down, but the electric bill will go up!
Again, I have no idea how long it takes to fully charge one of these up and how much electricity is consumed, but still I imagine the cost-savings over the long-term will be significant.
@Stu a number of garages have banks of solar panels on the roof producing free electricity, as long as any extra electricity is sourced from a green energy firm, I don't see if being a major issue.
From a drivers point of view I just hope they will have a bit of power pulling away.
To offset the increased electricity bill, I wonder if there is a plan to install solar panels on the garage roofs so that each garage could then produce part of its own electricity needs. The roofs are so long so would be ideal for this. I'm surprised NX haven't already tapped into this potential and installed some on garages and then sell the electricity back to the National grid. Maybe the new garages being built with have these on them. Good PR for NX too in terms of clean energy.
Sorry just seen Winston's reply of something similar too!
Quote from: j789 on February 28, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
To offset the increased electricity bill, I wonder if there is a plan to install solar panels on the garage roofs so that each garage could then produce part of its own electricity needs. The roofs are so long so would be ideal for this. I'm surprised NX haven't already tapped into this potential and installed some on garages and then sell the electricity back to the National grid. Maybe the new garages being built with have these on them. Good PR for NX too in terms of clean energy.
They already do produce their own electricity via solar at a number of garages and have done for a while.
If they're anything like the electric Enviros running in London then they will depart from the stop very quickly.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 28, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
What service(s) are going to use the Coventry electrics? Can't be the 11/U/12X can it? They already have Platinums unless if they're going elsewhere.
I really hope that they pick a corridor that isn't the university services again. With it being 10 buses there, possibly one of the cross-city services, so they can hit two areas of the city with new buses on one service?
Quote from: ellspurs on February 28, 2020, 07:41:36 PM
I really hope that they pick a corridor that isn't the university services again. With it being 10 buses there, possibly one of the cross-city services, so they can hit two areas of the city with new buses on one service?
Maybe the 13 ? I'm saw I a few years back they was trying to get funding to hybrid buses for the CV13
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
https://www.route-one.net/vehicles/enter_the_electric_enviro_as_adl_and_byd_set_out/
This article from 2016 by RouteOne - albeit based on the Enviro 200EV - claims that "a full charge can be undertaken in four hours". Worth noting that the article also specifies that their claimed range is similar to our new EVs, being in or around the 150-mile mark.
I've yet to find anything more up to date, but I hope that's given a general idea in answer to your question.
Looking at today's photo are the wing mirrors the 'new' camera type?
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
Quote from: Mike K on February 29, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
There is an E400ER it has Mmc bodywork I've put the link here https://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400er/
Quote from: Mike K on February 29, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
I kind of like it. Looks like a Routemaster.
The EV is available in the MMC body but I haven't seen a lot of them. The only ones I've seen are the MMCs on the Tower Transit 69 service (Walthamstow Central - Canning Town).
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 29, 2020, 01:44:15 PM
There is an E400ER it has Mmc bodywork I've put the link here https://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400er/
That's still diesel engined
Is E007 going to be named Daniel Craig? Sorry bad joke I know
So it's been long known that the new EVs for Yardley Wood are intended for the 6.
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
Quote from: Stu on February 29, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
So it's been long known that the new EVs for Yardley Wood are intended for the 6.
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
It's not confirmed yet, but it could be the Warwick Uni services. But the Platinums haven't been debranded yet so it could be another high profile Coventry route like the 4,13,21.
Quote from: Stu on February 29, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
Quote from: BH2004 on February 29, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
Seeing as the 20 is single deck as the 20A goes under a low bridge, I'll let you draw your own conclusion
Quote from: BH2004 on February 29, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
There's a low bridge on the City - Longford (Oban Rd) corridor of the 20, so with interworking going on, I'd be surprised if that were the case.
Quote from: Tony on February 29, 2020, 06:36:05 PM
Seeing as the 20 is single deck as the 20A goes under a low bridge, I'll let you draw your own conclusion
That bridge (Woodshires Rd) has already claimed a double deck victim (Mk1 Metrobus 2028 in Jan 1994). I notice the 9/9A has become 'part time Platinum' with 69xx and 75xx E400MMC's operating on it, so wouldn't be surprised if that were chosen.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 29, 2020, 05:20:53 PM
Is E007 going to be named Daniel Craig? Sorry bad joke I know
No time to charge .......
What's the proposed cascading program for the 21 19/69 plate Platinums at YW that these electrics will presumably displace?
Quote from: twb1979 on March 01, 2020, 05:11:27 AM
What's the proposed cascading program for the 21 19/69 plate Platinums at YW that these electrics will presumably displace?
apparently they might go to the 45/47
There was 17 Pershore road buses and 16 yw platinums on the 6 the numbers match up nicely and there Pershore roads have been debranded so I think it's most likely the go there as bc has plenty of platinum's to cover that one
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 01, 2020, 12:33:41 PM
There was 17 Pershore road buses and 16 yw platinums on the 6 the numbers match up nicely and there Pershore roads have been debranded so I think it's most likely the go there as bc has plenty of platinum's to cover that one
There's actually 1 or 2 45/47 buses still branded but yes it could be highly likely that they will go on them which could lead to the current 45/47 E400s making their way on the 14 or the 97 or going to Wolves to get rid of the remaining 43xx Tridents.
4912 is still branded, but looks a mess since the all over AD was removed.
If the 75** platinums move to BC, then I suspect the ex Pershore Road E400s will end up somewhere else to make a lower fleet age average in another garage.
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
If the 75** platinums move to BC, then I suspect the ex Pershore Road E400s will end up somewhere else to make a lower fleet age average in another garage.
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
So any idea on exactly when these electric buses will show at YW, aside from sometime this month?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
What about the 14? Surely the 97 has a higher PVR and will 16 E400's be enough?
Quote from: darthdc on March 01, 2020, 05:01:47 PM
So any idea on exactly when these electric buses will show at YW, aside from sometime this month?
The first couple have already arrived at BC for 'prep' - presumably they will need branding applied, and equipment installed.
Tony's already stated that one has gone to YW for driver training - drivers will need to complete training before these can go into service.
Plus no doubt there will be some kind of publicity launch to organise, another photo opportunity for Andy Street as part of his election campaign. ;)
Tony will probably know for definite, but my best guess is sometime in the next couple of weeks they'll start being used in service.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
PN have a couple ex-BC tridents it'll make a bit of sense if some went there.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 01, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
PN have a couple ex-BC tridents it'll make a bit of sense if some went there.
What would they use them on? I can only see a few going to remove the remaining 43** Tridents they've got.
I can see them going to WN and WA to get rid of their remaining 43** Tridents.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
No. The E400s to move, not the Tridents.
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
No. The E400s to move, not the Tridents.
i heard 2 drivers talking ws saying envrios on 97 unless this has changed
Looking at the picture of E002 it looks to have a shorter rear overhang, hence the central emergency exit. Is there a back seat in the usual position behind the back to backs over the rear wheels?
Quote from: Stevo on March 01, 2020, 10:15:05 PM
Looking at the picture of E002 it looks to have a shorter rear overhang, hence the central emergency exit. Is there a back seat in the usual position behind the back to backs over the rear wheels?
All seats on the lower deck are forward-facing
edit - but yes, there are a row of seats at the back
The H39/26F seating arrangement is a little less than previous double deck deliveries.
Does anyone know why the new electric buses E001 etc have London registrations ?.
Quote from: JIM C on March 02, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
Does anyone know why the new electric buses E001 etc have London registrations ?.
BYD Europe has its UK office/factory whatever it is, in London. Perhaps that's why?
See - https://www.evbus.co.uk/contact/
What's happened to picture E002?
Quote from: Uptight on March 02, 2020, 11:35:16 PM
What's happened to picture E002?
See Tony's reply here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1334.msg276283#msg276283
Any particular reason Tony? Want it branded first perhaps?
E001 has jus passed me on Bradford Street.. no chance for a photograph, though! :(
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
E001 has jus passed me on Bradford Street.. no chance for a photograph, though! :(
Saw it in Kings Heath - must be heading to YW. No branding as yet - just identified it by the reg plate.
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
Quote from: Ginger66 on March 03, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
No!
They're saving money not wiring tram lines. Certainly not going spend millions on the infrastructure trolley buses need (twin wires because rubber tyres don't give an earth)
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 02:59:39 PM
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
training already started
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 02:59:39 PM
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
E004 on delivery from Falkirk, how long would that take to arrive including charging?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 03, 2020, 08:24:12 PM
E004 on delivery from Falkirk, how long would that take to arrive including charging?
Depends on miles per full battery, I guess! If it were diesel, a few fuel stops required
Quote from: darthdc on March 03, 2020, 08:55:03 PM
If it were diesel, a few fuel stops required
Why do you reckon that? I can do Walsall to Dundee on just over half a tank. Falkirk is even closer
Quote from: Ginger66 on March 03, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
It might actually be feasible to wire parts of the Sprint routes similar to the Metro.
Edit: Do we expect any single deck electrics too?
Quote from: Metroman on March 03, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
It might actually be feasible to wire parts of the Sprint routes similar to the Metro.
Edit: Do we expect any single deck electrics too?
Good point, since there are routes where double deckers are unsuitable (YW Route 27 for instance - still remember an incident about a DD going under the tunnel on Bournville Lane).
I've just delivered E002 to YW (beautiful to drive), and E003 and E004 are now at BC
i passed E006 on the M40 this morning heading south near Stokenchurch.
E009 on delivery - goes without saying, but not my photograph ;)
https://flic.kr/p/2iBqkXz
Additionally, E004 was delivered to Yardley Wood today - saw it arriving around 1pm
When I left BC earlier
E001; E002; E003 & E004 were all at YW (E001 will return to BC for additional fitments, one of the other 3 will go to CV for training there to commence)
E006 was at BC with E005 & E007 expected.
In the photo I suspect E009 was heading to BYD's place as it is not due until next week
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
Quote from: Tiptonian on March 07, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
I imagine they will have some livery that will plug their electric status to the hilltops.
If the livery is what was posted somewhere on here from a NX financial report, they look great. Yes, there's quite a bit of vinyl, but all branded buses have that. They look classy.
Quote from: Tiptonian on March 07, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
As I've said previously, there could be some good marketing promo stuff if done properly... we have the 'Electric 6' after all, and to celebrate we could have some 'improper dancing' in the 'middle of the street', or specifically the Stratford Road through Hall Green and Shirley...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEZwG_UZic
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
As I've said previously, there could be some good marketing promo stuff if done properly... we have the 'Electric 6' after all, and to celebrate we could have some 'improper dancing' in the 'middle of the street', or specifically the Stratford Road through Hall Green and Shirley...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEZwG_UZic
Was thinking more... (same band)
https://youtu.be/R-FxmoVM7X4
Or you might just get the dick head mayor of greater Birmingham and a tv crew
Quote from: karl724223 on March 07, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Or you might just get the dick head mayor of greater Birmingham and a tv crew
To be fair, the current mayor has shown a very pro transport stance since being elected and it is actually nice to see in the press him being so complimentary about NXWM. Usually the politicians love scoring points criticising local transport companies so it makes a refreshing change seeing someone be supportive of what NX are trying to do in the West Midlands.
Quote from: CL on March 06, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
E009 on delivery - goes without saying, but not my photograph ;)
https://flic.kr/p/2iBqkXz
At 09:40 this morning (Mon 09/03/2020), E009 was going southbound on the M40 at Jct 7 on it's way to BYD Iver for PDI before going back up the M40 to BC.
Seen E001 at Digbeth this morning. The back screen display looks way better on these than the MMCs.
E007 out on training duties, just arriving into Birmingham now; E001 not far behind - at Adderley Street now
Been told of E003 which was sighted in Coventry about an hour ago
Quote from: CL on March 13, 2020, 10:06:07 AM
E007 out on training duties, just arriving into Birmingham now
E001 not far behind - at Adderley Street now
Saw E007 in Yardley Wood Rd, by Billesley Fire Station around 13:15. See its been given its fleet number.
Does the upper deck of the electric buses have the same as the ALX 400 B7TLs with two rows of seats in front of the stairs?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 16, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Does the upper deck of the electric buses have the same as the ALX 400 B7TLs with two rows of seats in front of the stairs?
Yes
I did spot E012 & E013 on delivery plates on M42 yesterday.
E012 - LF20 XON
E013 - LF20 XOO
Will the current health crisis impact on the introduction of the electric vehicles? Will they remain in depot pending the crisis passing and a degree of normality returning to bus operations? They could then be launched to a more receptive public as they come out of social distancing measures.
Quote from: RW on March 19, 2020, 06:13:09 PM
Will the current health crisis impact on the introduction of the electric vehicles? Will they remain in depot pending the crisis passing and a degree of normality returning to bus operations? They could then be launched to a more receptive public as they come out of social distancing measures.
Still hopefully be on the road 30/3
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Still hopefully be on the road 30/3
Thanks Tony. Stay safe.
Quote from: RW on March 20, 2020, 08:42:55 AM
Thanks Tony. Stay safe.
The special timetable being introduced next week allows for up to 16 to be in use, obviously things might change again in the next 10 days.
Hopefully when they do emerge you will be able to post a few photos Tony.
E001 is now fully branded
Marvellous. Looking forward to seeing some photos.
I spotted E010 on the Stratford Road in Sparkbrook this morning.
Had 'Electric Bus Driver Training' on the front display.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 20, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Marvellous. Looking forward to seeing some photos.
Mr Mayor still wants a formal launch, so although I have a lovely photo of E001 fully branded up I cnnot share it yet
Full details of the Coventry Electrics are now here, not sure why the format has gone silly. I will try and correct it
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2020, 07:49:34 PM
Full details of the Coventry Electrics are now here, not sure why the format has gone silly. I will try and correct it
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2020, 08:13:30 PM
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
Thought 9/9A was said?
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2020, 08:13:30 PM
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
They're for the 9/9A i believe.
Good to see the YW ones have a hint of 'traditional' Bham regs with O in the middle.
They won't be entering service now until 2 weeks after the lockdown
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
They won't be entering service now until 2 weeks after the lockdown
That's a shame, guess we'll all have to be a little more patient.
Though with their lower running costs, I would have thought it more prudent to get them out in service sooner, to be honest.
I noticed that the 2 and 3 were mostly Platinums today, which is a good use of newer, more fuel-efficient vehicles to help with service costs.
Just my opinion of course, and I understand there may be other factors driving this decision.
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2020, 06:11:34 PM
I noticed that the 2 and 3 were mostly Platinums today, which is a good use of newer, more fuel-efficient vehicles to help with service costs.
Although only a relatively small difference, the seating is more spaced out. Any distance from someone else is most welcomed.
Quote from: Gareth on March 25, 2020, 06:18:27 PM
Although only a relatively small difference, the seating is more spaced out. Any distance from someone else is most welcomed.
From what I've seen of passenger loadings the last few days, 'social-distancing' wouldn't be a problem even if single-deck vehicles were used on double-deck routes.
Found these photos of E001 on https://mobile.twitter.com/wmtrainspotting
I must admit it looks absolutely superb. Tony will the Coventry buses have the same branding?
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2020, 06:35:37 PM
From what I've seen of passenger loadings the last few days, 'social-distancing' wouldn't be a problem even if single-deck vehicles were used on double-deck routes.
Heh, I actually saw passengers on the 580 in Rugby on Monday lunchtime.
And yea, I like the subtleness of the Electric part of the branding on those pictures of E001.
The photos r on the main site
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 25, 2020, 11:55:08 PM
The photos r on the main site
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
Tony will all these electric buses have the same branding as E001 including the Coventry batch or will they end up with route branding?
Quote from: WM_58 on March 26, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
Tony will all these electric buses have the same branding as E001 including the Coventry batch or will they end up with route branding?
This has got route branding.
Coventry ones won't have Stratford Road on them
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 26, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
They should be used on the 6 as they have the route 6 map inside
Quote from: BH2004 on March 26, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
They should be used on the 6 as they have the route 6 map inside
How do you know what is inside?
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 26, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
There's no other route at YW that goes from Solihull to Birmingham City Centre via Hall Green and Shirley.
So I think the answer to the question is yes they will be used on the 6.
Drivers need to be type trained for the new electric buses so only for 6
unless other drivers hav been trained
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
How do you know what is inside?
6 Branding inside..
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
This has got route branding.
Coventry ones won't have Stratford Road on them
I didn't expect to see Stratford Road buses in Cov. My point is given how this is a massive milestone for public transport in the West Midlands, I wasn't sure if if National Express would want to standardise the electric bus branding to make them instantly recognisable. The route branding is much more subtle on these to that we have seen over the last few years. Branding is key to the punters who don't know one bus from the next.
These E buses look superb and the branding looks great but will they be instantly recognisable like the the platinums are compared to the crimson...
Quote from: 2206 on March 26, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
There's no other route at YW that goes from Solihull to Birmingham City Centre via Hall Green and Shirley.
So I think the answer to the question is yes they will be used on the 6.
Until the Stratford Road review
I am not suggesting changes to the 5 would happen imminently, but do the new electrics fit legally under the Robin Hood Lane bridge?
Quote from: cardew on March 26, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
I am not suggesting changes to the 5 would happen imminently, but do the new electrics fit legally under the Robin Hood Lane bridge?
Yes they do, they are 14'2" same as normal MMCs
I have to say that livery looks stunning. Really like the silver electric flashes. Subtle and not overstated.
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
One word. Stunning. Looking forward to seeing some of them in Birmingham later in the year post COVID 19.
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
Until the Stratford Road review
what review is this
Quote from: Solo1 on March 26, 2020, 05:30:33 PM
what review is this
I'm surprised it took over 6 hours for someone to say that !
While waiting for my bus to work this morning (yes, I am a 'key worker'), E011 went past me on Yardley Wood Road while on 'Electric Bus Driver Training'.
Was remarkable how quiet it was on approaching, only really made a minimal amount of noise on passing me.
This one was still plain and unbranded so looked unremarkable, but the branded example photographed does look quite exceptional.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2020, 07:20:26 PM
While waiting for my bus to work this morning (yes, I am a 'key worker'), E011 went past me on Yardley Wood Road while on 'Electric Bus Driver Training'.
Was remarkable how quiet it was on approaching, only really made a minimal amount of noise on passing me.
Well it is an electric bus. Making as less noise as possible is kinda what they do.
Transport for London is insisting its electric buses make some sort of sound so people in crossing roads in centres can hear them. London is using bleeping but why not record a Metrobus whining away and use that sound? ;)
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 26, 2020, 10:20:43 PM
Well it is an electric bus. Making as less noise as possible is kinda what they do.
As I recorded on page 1 of my 'Avin a larf' page my late father didn't hear a bus.....
ADL are/have suspended production:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2020/march/our-teams-will-continue-to-support-you-in-these-challenging-times/
Saw EO17 on trade plates passing Wheatsheaf Sheldon heading towards city lunchtime today.
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
Quote from: aSingh on April 02, 2020, 03:21:49 PM
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
I think it's a shame NX didn't go for the glazed staircase - that made the city version stand out imo
Names have now been applied to most of the electrics
Electra E001
Anna E002
Freya Jayne E003
Ivy E004
Ivy Wren E005
Julie E006
Moneypenny E007
Laura E008
Masoomah E009
Maureen E010
Meera E011
Mehreen E012
Mommy 'H' E013
Nadia E014
Noor Zamil E015
Samirah E016
Skye E017
Susan May E018
Willow E019
Which electrics are going to be branded
E007 -Moneypenny. How appropriate! :)
Quote from: BH2004 on May 14, 2020, 07:01:47 PM
Which electrics are going to be branded
Whatever the PVR is minus about 10%. My guess is about 15.
Quote from: aSingh on April 02, 2020, 03:21:49 PM
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
These new vehicles are looking better than the 400MMC at present.
Quote from: Ben on May 19, 2020, 01:35:46 AM
These new vehicles are looking better than the 400MMC at present.
I like them too 😁
Do we have any news on when these will be launched?
Hopefully it wail be quietly a d unannounced to prevent all the kids and not so kids crowding the route on their first day.
Any photos of the branding on the rear of the 'electrics' in circulation? Please don't let them have obliterated both lower and upper deck windows!
Quote from: RW on June 18, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
Any photos of the branding on the rear of the 'electrics' in circulation? Please don't let them have obliterated both lower and upper deck windows!
Yes, there was one posted recently on Facebook (although i can't find it to link here, sadly). The EV's don't have rear windows on the lower deck.
Have these electric buses god a double glass window on the top deck
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2020, 09:53:46 AM
Yes, there was one posted recently on Facebook (although i can't find it to link here, sadly). The EV's don't have rear windows on the lower deck.
Thanks for that Nathan. Can't find the Facebook link either. Hopefully the upper deck rear windows are left clear.
Quote from: RW on June 19, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Thanks for that Nathan. Can't find the Facebook link either. Hopefully the upper deck rear windows are left clear.
Here you are
Thanks Tony. I can live with that. I just have this thing about NX plastering vinyl over every available window on a vehicle. It detracts from the visual appearance of the vehicle and makes it look like a bill board on wheels rather than a public service vehicle the people's of the West Midlands and Dundee can be proud of on their city roads.
This is the current situation with the 19 electrics
Coventry E010; E015
Birmingham Central E013 (being branded today) E008; E014 (just delivered)
Yardley Wood E001; E002; E003; E004; E005; E006; E007; E009; E011; E012; E016; E017; E018; E019.
The following are now branded
E001; E002; E003; E005; E009; E010; E016; E017; E018; E019
Any in service yet, or are they still being used for training?
I suspect they're being used to type train the drivers and garage staff at the moment darthdc.
Passed E022 on the A74m this evening heading south at 40mph.
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that the electrics doesn't have traditional side mirrors?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 26, 2020, 08:34:17 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that the electrics doesn't have traditional side mirrors?
What do you not like about them?
Quote from: Dom on June 26, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
What do you not like about them?
The fact that they don't look good on the bus compared to the traditional ones. A bit stupid, I know. I haven't even gone on it yet.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 26, 2020, 11:03:36 AM
The fact that they don't look good on the bus compared to the traditional ones. A bit stupid, I know. I haven't even gone on it yet.
They are the same as 6937s mirrors
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 26, 2020, 12:25:50 PM
They are the same as 6937s mirrors
6937 hasn't got mirrors ffs
To answer an oft asked question about the electric vehicles delivery run, Today I took E015 on the M6 from Coventry J3 to Birmingham J6 a total of 16 miles. It used exactly 4% of the charge. working on that basis it would be able to do 400 miles on a motorway on a 100% charge easy enough to get from Alexander Dennis at Falkirk to BYD at Iver.
Noticed what I presume was a new electric on deliver run going south on M6 near Knutsford services about 9ish this morning.
Unfortunately could not get the number
Quote from: Mayfield on June 30, 2020, 05:30:04 PM
Noticed what I presume was a new electric on deliver run going south on M6 near Knutsford services about 9ish this morning.
Unfortunately could not get the number
Can't help with which one as it would be on the Falkirk to Iver run.
E020 arrived at BC today, and E021 is at Iver, so wasn't one of that pair
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 30, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
They are not all being converted, not sure where you've got that from.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 30, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
As far as I know, so far no-one has yet converted a Volvo Hybrid. EYMS are currently working on a Go North east one at the moment, but there is more to do with those. Once EYMS have successfully done the first then there may be a flood of them to do!
Another NXC Electric on delivery on M40 near Warwick approx 12.30am this morning
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
With the Coventry ones E020 and E021 are both at Coventry for driver training, E022 is at BC. The will all be branded at BC once the branding is delivered
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
Thanks, you've answered a question I was meaning to ask, I was going to ask if it was likely we'd start seeing these in service next week.
Presumably they will all be out on the 6? Saves anybody wondering if any might 'sneak' onto other routes!
Quote from: Stu on July 03, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Thanks, you've answered a question I was meaning to ask, I was going to ask if it was likely we'd start seeing these in service next week.
Presumably they will all be out on the 6? Saves anybody wondering if any might 'sneak' onto other routes!
Once they have settled down they may come out on the 2/3 on Sundays
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
With the Coventry ones E020 and E021 are both at Coventry for driver training, E022 is at BC. The will all be branded at BC once the branding is delivered
Is there an official confirmation on what service the Coventry ones will operate on?
At last we can ride on one! This thread's been going since February and it's been a bit frustrating having to wait, though I'm sure we all understand why.
He got his photo opportunity then...
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/videos/580538072883943/
So E008 was the first Electric bus into passenger service.
E004. E011 & E015 also no out
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
Quote from: RW on July 05, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
coventry ffs
Quote from: RW on July 05, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
Not completely emission free but I get what you mean.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 04:34:34 PM
Not completely emission free but I get what you mean.
Yes the 6 is completely emission free today
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
Yes the 6 is completely emission free today
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 05, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
There were a couple photos of the buses near the Tyseley Power Plant. I don't know too much about it but I assume that they would generate electricity from little to no emissions.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 05, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
See slogan at the back
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E004.html
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
You can buy electricity?
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
You can buy electricity?
Erm...yes! Of course you can buy electricity! How do you think we all get ours?
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
You can buy electricity?
I presume you're household pays for their electricity and doesn't just take it from a Street light
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
How?
Suppliers. British Gas, Scottish Power, Octopus the list goes on...
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
Companies do not buy renewable electricity out of the goodness of thier heart there are major tax allowances which claimed reduce the Advanced Corporation Tax paid. The reliefs reduce the overall tax bill of the company similarly schemes such as the PAT box allowances allow enhanced capital expenditure on assets. Although most schemes end up revenue netural to The Treasury this is exclipised by encouraging companies to bring in climate change friendly schemes for the benefit of all beloved of politicians.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 08:50:23 PM
I presume you're household pays for their electricity and doesn't just take it from a Street light
No I use my neighbours ;D
Went on E014 on the 6 today. Sorry to say I was a little disappointed. I expected a silent ride but there's a constant noise from fans in the battery compartment, as loud as a modern diesel engine. At least it was really smooth.
I went on one of the electric buses this morning, I can't remember the last time I was so impressed by a new bus, it was quiet, comfortable and fairly quick as well. Verdict 11/10
Cov electric bus... surprised by the branding on this one
I should point out it's not my photo. It was sent to me by a friend but I believe it's from Instagram.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
I should point out it's not my photo. It was sent to me by a friend but I believe it's from Instagram.
What is the surprise?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
What is the surprise?
I think the Cov blue is the best of the Platinum branding, but as far as these electric buses go I guess I was expecting something a bit more in your face to showcase a cleaner and greener future.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
I think the Cov blue is the best of the Platinum branding, but as far as these electric buses go I guess I was expecting something a bit more in your face to showcase a cleaner and greener future.
? - you do realise that is a 'work in progress' photo?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 07:57:17 PM
? - you do realise that is a 'work in progress' photo?
Very much so. I'd be saying the same about the Birmingham electrics if they had of received the platinum red branding. I guess I try to think about the general public who can't tell one bus from another. These buses are a brilliant move by NX but when you give them similar branding to that of the existing platinums don't we risk them become just another bus to the general public? I personally want to see these electrics pulling in new passengers to NX.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:06:05 PM
Very much so. I'd be saying the same about the Birmingham electrics if they had of received the platinum red branding. I guess I try to think about the general public who can't tell one bus from another. These buses are a brilliant move by NX but when you give them similar branding to that of the existing platinums don't we risk them become just another bus to the general public? I personally want to see these electrics pulling in new passengers to NX.
OK so what extra would you put on? Almost every part of the bus is bragging it is electric, Silver stripes along and up.
I really am struggling to see what else could be done
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:08:46 PM
OK so what extra would you put on? Almost every part of the bus is bragging it is electric, Silver stripes along and up.
I really am struggling to see what else could be done
I personally would of changed the colour scheme to make them stand out from the rest of the fleet or done something similar to London with the all over leaf advertising. I'm unsure on how much say NX have over livery choices.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
I personally would of changed the colour scheme to make them stand out from the rest of the fleet or done something similar to London with the all over leaf advertising. I'm unsure on how much say NX have over livery choices.
I still really don't get your point. You are happy with a few leaves on standard livery, but not two bright silver bands, a few wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front. 25 foot long banner advertising and new style fleetnames?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
I still really don't get your point. You are happy with a few leaves on standard livery, but not two bright silver bands, a few wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front. 25 foot long banner advertising and new style fleetnames?
But I'm talking about grabbing people's attention whilst they are driving along in their cars. Having buses that are a totally different colour would make people look at the bus and then they will noticethe two bright silver bands, wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front and the 25 foot long banner.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:51:31 PM
But I'm talking about grabbing people's attention whilst they are driving along in their cars. Having buses that are a totally different colour would make people look at the bus and then they will noticethe two bright silver bands, wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front and the 25 foot long banner.
Having vehicles as a totally different colour can also mean people don't recognise the operator.
These buses are the first buses I have driven for a long time (apart from 3225) where people stop and stare when you drive past, so they clearly are different enough
And as you use London as an example, do these look any different
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LondonUnited/47027.html
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
Having vehicles as a totally different colour can also mean people don't recognise the operator.
These buses are the first buses I have driven for a long time (apart from 3225) where people stop and stare when you drive past, so they clearly are different enough
You are right. The brand must be easily recognisable and that's something NX have done superbly well over the years.
It's always amazed me at how a livery can impact the public. I'm a train driver and the company I drive for has a good number of celebrity locos. They always get attention wherever they are, yet the standard locos get very little attention.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
You are right. The brand must be easily recognisable and that's something NX have done superbly well over the years.
It's always amazed me at how a livery can impact the public. I'm a train driver and the company I drive for has a good number of celebrity locos. They always get attention wherever they are, yet the standard locos get very little attention.
GBRF?
You got it in one!
Saw the new pictures of the new CV electrics. Not a fan of the blue part on the front if I'm being honest.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 10, 2020, 11:56:34 PM
Saw the new pictures of the new CV electrics. Not a fan of the blue part on the front if I'm being honest.
Why ?
The message is confused. On the side you see an electrical flash, a pair of legs, a pattern of diamonds and a blue sky.
Quote from: Stevo on July 11, 2020, 08:52:23 AM
The message is confused. On the side you see an electrical flash, a pair of legs, a pattern of diamonds and a blue sky.
Have to admit I'm not a great fan of "a pair of legs" being part of the livery. Never have been. Some might construe it as sexist. Why not a pair of walking boots? Better to ride than walk. (tongue in cheek)
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
And as you use London as an example, do these look any different
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LondonUnited/47027.html
Operators of contracted services in London used their own liveries until representations were made by the London Tourist board to revert to red after confusion caused on early tendered routes like the 24.
I can see from recent photos that most of the Coventry Electrics have now been fully liveried. When are they going to enter service?
Quote from: MARKG on August 29, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
I can see from recent photos that most of the Coventry Electrics have now been fully liveried. When are they going to enter service?
Tomorrow :)
https://twitter.com/nxcoventry/status/1299062780096585728
I see in this month's 'Buses' that MD David Bradford has promised 500 zero emission buses in service for the Commonwealth Games in July 2022. That's about 28 buses a month starting next month. Is this practical? Has an order been placed for electric buses?
Quote from: Stevo on February 22, 2021, 02:02:17 PM
I see in this month's 'Buses' that MD David Bradford has promised 500 zero emission buses in service for the Commonwealth Games in July 2022. That's about 28 buses a month starting next month. Is this practical? Has an order been placed for electric buses?
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
Quote from: ellspurs on February 22, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
He also doesn't say they will all be new, he also mentioned repowering
Forgive me for having doubts, but as it takes quite a time to convert from hybrid to diesel I can't see repowering being any quicker - probably taking longer.
Quote from: Stevo on February 22, 2021, 06:18:07 PM
Forgive me for having doubts, but as it takes quite a time to convert from hybrid to diesel I can't see repowering being any quicker - probably taking longer.
Once the people doing the converting get going it shouldn't take too long at all to do each bus. EYMS can do a diesel to Hybrid in about 2 weeks.
Diamond are planning on having their MANs converted to electric as well
Quote from: ellspurs on February 22, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
It was said 2 months ago, there could be around 200 new buses this year.
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2021, 10:29:26 AM
Because it is not worth making the entire fleet 'Euro 6' as there is a possibility of around 200 new buses in 2021
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2021, 12:34:40 AM
It was said 2 months ago, there could be around 200 new buses this year.
Well that, plus the conversions will have them well on the way towards 500 before the end of
this year, which can only be a good thing.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 23, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
Well that, plus the conversions will have them well on the way towards 500 before the end of this year, which can only be a good thing.
Will be interesting how they will retrofit existing buses to electric, wonder if the single deckers will be easier to convert than doubles
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 23, 2021, 12:57:27 PM
Will be interesting how they will retrofit existing buses to electric, wonder if the single deckers will be easier to convert than doubles
See https://www.magtec.co.uk/index.php/en/applications-gb/electric-vehicle-drives/44-electric-buses for further information. Magtec appear to be one of the market leaders having converted some Plaxton Presidents up north, although I believe that was a while ago now. I doubt there'll be any real difference between what is easier to convert although there's different power outputs available, depending on the vehicle's weight as far as I'm aware.
Noticed this on www.busforum.co.uk - E030 > E033 , owned by National Express but operated by Mullanys Coaches on a Harry Potter shuttle service from Watford Railway Station to the Warner Brothers film studios.
I have put more details of the new buses on the main website. All VINs for the first 46 are there, and body numbers for all 130
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
What I have noticed on the new Coventry electrics is that the nearside fleet number is up by the wing mirror/camera and not by the door release as normal. Is there a particular reason for this or is this the norm now for just the electrics?
@Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 27, 2022, 03:22:29 PMWhat I have noticed on the new Coventry electrics is that the nearside fleet number is up by the wing mirror/camera and not by the door release as normal. Is there a particular reason for this or is this the norm now for just the electrics? @Tony
The recent repaints into the new livery have the fleet number above the doors/driver's cab window also. I think it may be the new standard positioning across the fleet.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2022, 08:59:29 PMI have put more details of the new buses on the main website. All VINs for the first 46 are there, and body numbers for all 130
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Most helpful Tony. Thanks.
Do you think it's possible to have charging points at bus stations on the over flow stands to give electric buses a top up while in service.
We know Dudley bus station is been rebuilt shortly could electric charging for NX/Diamond be considered
Tomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 06:55:31 PMTomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
Ooh, thanks for the heads up! If I'm reading this week's timetables correctly (from BusTimes, as those on the NX website are wrong, I was wondering why the 2 seemed to be ten minutes late this morning!), that should do the 8:20 departure from Slade Lane, which will be my ride to work!
QuoteOoh, thanks for the heads up! If I'm reading this week's timetables correctly (from BusTimes, as those on the NX website are wrong, I was wondering why the 2 seemed to be ten minutes late this morning!), that should do the 8:20 departure from Slade Lane, which will be my ride to work!
It does the 07:12 & 08:30 departures into city
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 07:19:35 PMIt does the 07:12 & 08:30 departures into city
You're right, I momentarily lost the ability to count properly! Now I just need to make sure I leave home on time so I don't miss it!
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 06:55:31 PMTomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
I know I'm being daft here, but 1908?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 20, 2022, 07:26:39 AMI know I'm being daft here, but 1908?
Demonstrator:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1908d.html
Quote from: Stu on December 20, 2022, 07:36:17 AMDemonstrator:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1908d.html
Aha! Cheers - upholding the great tradition of 1908s! I should've guessed!
OK, so I did manage to get a ride on 1908 this morning - the Mercedes eCitaro demonstrator.
To be honest, I don't really know what to make of it.
Its always a little bit exciting to travel on a new type of bus for the first time, from a purely passenger perspective, it was a nice bus to travel on, smooth ride, and given the opportunity could be quite nippy too.
The interior is fairly spacious, not as 'claustrophobic' as the OmniLinks, though I did think that the seating layout didn't offer much legroom, a common complaint aimed at those Scanias. I did note that this eCitaro did show a seated capacity of 37, so around the same as the OmniLinks and E200MMCs.
Due to being pre-Christmas week, there were only a few passengers when I got on at the Hullbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road, so it was difficult to judge what the journey would be like with a full load.
The other observation I noted is that despite an entirely different vehicle being used on this route, in non-standard livery, still with National Express Coventry logos all over it, passengers still got on without questioning anything, and most didn't seem to notice. It just goes to show that many passengers don't really care, and that any bus is better than no bus.
I guess these would be great for less-busy routes that require single-deck vehicles, I'm not sure what they would be like used on busier routes, would like to hear opinions from anyone who travelled on this while it was used on the 20 in Coventry.
QuoteOK, so I did manage to get a ride on 1908 this morning - the Mercedes eCitaro demonstrator.
To be honest, I don't really know what to make of it.
Its always a little bit exciting to travel on a new type of bus for the first time, from a purely passenger perspective, it was a nice bus to travel on, smooth ride, and given the opportunity could be quite nippy too.
The interior is fairly spacious, not as 'claustrophobic' as the OmniLinks, though I did think that the seating layout didn't offer much legroom, a common complaint aimed at those Scanias. I did note that this eCitaro did show a seated capacity of 37, so around the same as the OmniLinks and E200MMCs.
Due to being pre-Christmas week, there were only a few passengers when I got on at the Hullbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road, so it was difficult to judge what the journey would be like with a full load.
The other observation I noted is that despite an entirely different vehicle being used on this route, in non-standard livery, still with National Express Coventry logos all over it, passengers still got on without questioning anything, and most didn't seem to notice. It just goes to show that many passengers don't really care, and that any bus is better than no bus.
I guess these would be great for less-busy routes that require single-deck vehicles, I'm not sure what they would be like used on busier routes, would like to hear opinions from anyone who travelled on this while it was used on the 20 in Coventry.
Seating is 37+wheelchair or 39 (2 pulldown seats).
I drove the second half of the running board both days. While a lot of people do just get on, both myself and 'Andy' who drove the morning half both commented on the number of people asking if it was a 'proper bus' with several saying when they did get on they 'thought it was a coach'.
The bus is a dream to drive so easy to give a smooth ride to passengers. On a couple of trips I did I had a full seated load with some standing and apart from the usual problem of standing passengers not moving from between the front wheelarches it still looked 'spacious' in the interior mirror.
Incidentally the interior mirror is the best I have ever found in any bus. Normally on buses with vandal screens you struggle, but the mirror in this gave an excellent view of the interior of the whole bus.
I didn't know where to put this but there is an electric grey bus with new nx interior in Birmingham doing rail replacements reg is LG72DSX , looked on the electrics fleet list and can't find this one ? So who is this owned by ?
It's doing the 10am brum to coleshill rail replacement
https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/index.htm?https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/year.asp?Year=72&Type=9
This website says it is a "Spare vehicles for NXWM ETaaS contract" listed under Zenobe.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 26, 2023, 09:34:41 AMhttps://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/index.htm?https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/year.asp?Year=72&Type=9
This website says it is a "Spare vehicles for NXWM ETaaS contract" listed under Zenobe.
8 Spare ones wonder if they will be given fleet numbers E164-172?
It's Owned by Zenobe and will only come to National Express if the existing vehicles fail to meet contractual agreements on the number of vehicles available for service.
If anyone get a chance to see who's operators licence it is on I would be interested!
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2023, 09:55:58 AMIt's Owned by Zenobe and will only come to National Express if the existing vehicles fail to meet contractual agreements on the number of vehicles available for service.
If anyone get a chance to see who's operators licence it is on I would be interested!
Roberts Tours legals and O-Licence is on it.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 26, 2023, 10:06:43 AMRoberts Travel legals and O-Licence is on it.
Thanks.
That makes sense as I know all 8 are parked in their yard.
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2023, 10:08:25 AMThanks.
That makes sense as I know all 8 are parked in their yard.
Been told it's under hire to The Green Bus though on a demonstration run for Arriva Road Transport Services and Cross Country. Only doing one trip to Nuneaton and back in service.
@Tony have NX come up with a way to keep a log of these extra Zenobe vehicles?
Dose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot please?
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 23, 2023, 03:25:03 PMDose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot please?
If you have seen that you have been trespassing
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 23, 2023, 03:25:03 PMDose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot
2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:16:37 PM2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Yes, 2063 & 2064 are there for conversion to training buses
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2023, 06:24:33 PMYes, 2063 & 2064 are there for conversion to training buses
They must have arrived after I went home because I didn't see them all morning haha, I'm guessing the prototype vehicle was deemed to work then with the placement of the jockey seat
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:16:37 PM2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Yes mate, there is 2 2063 and 2064.
Tony answered that question an hour ago
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:26:58 PMThey must have arrived after I went home because I didn't see them all morning haha, I'm guessing the prototype vehicle was deemed to work then with the placement of the jockey seat
Yes, 2060 will be in use soon. I took it to Miller Street yesterday for inspection and final preperation.
Dose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E096.html
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 10:13:19 AMDose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
I'm guessing it's waiting on parts because the passenger side mirror camera is hanging off it atm
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 10:13:19 AMDose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
So you did trespass if you could read the registration
I thought this thread was for electric fleet buses not a have a go at people thread. Can we get back onto thread if possible which I know due to the strike action not many electrics are being worked on at present. But come on guys
Quote from: Squiz1971 on March 25, 2023, 02:51:08 PMI thought this thread was for electric fleet buses not a have a go at people thread. Can we get back onto thread if possible which I know due to the strike action not many electrics are being worked on at present. But come on guys
I agree, enough of the bickering and personal attacks, it ends here.
Now, back on topic please.
Hi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
QuoteHi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
I've only heard about the 300 new buses not sure where their going. In my opinion I think there's defiantly more E400EVS coming, I may be wrong though...
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 06:26:50 PMHi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
Quote from: BBS on March 25, 2023, 06:31:52 PMI've only heard about the 300 new buses not sure where their going. In my opinion I think there's defiantly more E400EVS coming, I may be wrong though...
There are more details in the following thread posted by Tony:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.0
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2020, 09:39:40 PMFull details here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Thankyou tony
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2023, 06:43:45 PMThere are more details in the following thread posted by Tony:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.0
Thankyou stu
Another fleetnumber 1908 is due to arrive on Tuesday
Quote from: Tony on May 05, 2023, 08:22:37 PMAnother fleetnumber 1908 is due to arrive on Tuesday
Ooh let the speculation commence! :azn:
From the fleet number I'll guess this is another single deck demonstrator vehicle, possibly either a Wrightbus Kite Electroliner, or maybe an ADL Enviro100EV?
I suppose any EV demonstrator would be used at YW or CV again.
Then again there is the possibility of trialling a Wrightbus Kite Hydroliner at WA?
Quote from: Stu on May 05, 2023, 09:09:29 PMOoh let the speculation commence! :azn:
From the fleet number I'll guess this is another single deck demonstrator vehicle, possibly either a Wrightbus Kite Electroliner, or maybe an ADL Enviro100EV?
I suppose any EV demonstrator would be used at YW or CV again.
Then again there is the possibility of trialling a Wrightbus Kite Hydroliner at WA?
Could be the
Volvo BZL Electric Single Deck
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on May 05, 2023, 09:59:08 PMCould be the Volvo BZL Electric Single Deck
Could be a yutong since those are getting quite popular (and from what ive heard they are quite good buses)
Just seen a post saying a Full electric Yutong single decker bus is at bc could this be the new 1908 and will it be based at yw or cv
A post I've seen says it will be on loan to Coventry
The new Yutongs on the T1 in Aberystwyth are very comfortable to travel on. Higher spec than would be expected for urban use though, those useful pop-out coat hooks would be bent out of shape week one.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on May 09, 2023, 12:50:48 PMJust seen a post saying a Full electric Yutong single decker bus is at bc could this be the new 1908 and will it be based at yw or cv
Image and post for those intrested: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967184442600849469/1105510512634122310/image.png
Most likely either this or the merc will replace the e200s and b7rles that will remain in coventry
Feel like the yutong will be chosen since its very popular currently and that the merc is quite expensive too but thats my grain of salt.
Quote from: EK40 on May 09, 2023, 04:50:06 PMImage and post for those intrested: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967184442600849469/1105510512634122310/image.png
Most likely either this or the merc will replace the e200s and b7rles that will remain in coventry
Feel like the yutong will be chosen since its very popular currently and that the merc is quite expensive too but thats my grain of salt.
And what about the Wrights Kite and Alexander Dennis 100 that haven't been demonstrated yet?
How much is the difference in price between the Yutong and the Mercedes? Genuine question, I don't know.
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2023, 05:22:35 PMAnd what about the Wrights Kite and Alexander Dennis 100 that haven't been demonstrated yet?
How much is the difference in price between the Yutong and the Mercedes? Genuine question, I don't know.
Would the ADL100 be large enough, other than to replace the mini E200s and Streetlites (23 buses)? 25 seats plus 20 standees.
Surely the BYD/ADL E200 EV would be more suitable from the ADL range to replace the normal length E200s and B7RLEs?
One of the 'Zenobe 8' ready for use next week
NXWM Z4005 (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/Z4005.html)
Those Zenobe ADLs in a single colour look much better in the metal than in pictures, some clever use of viynl could add some contrast to the base colour.
I really like how on the electrics kind of kept the 'swoosh' while making the blue stripe part of the main vinyl.
I mean the small lining, just under the bottom windows in a white colour leaving a splash effect above the rear tyres. in a way kind of looks like a re adaptation of the previous livery
E038 looks a lot better than the rest. Can't quite place my finger on it. Must be the lack of blue front branding.
What is Zenobe?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on September 18, 2023, 05:40:53 PMWhat is Zenobe?
Google is your friend. Also this forum has a handy search function.
https://www.zenobe.com/uk/
Z4001/7 on the 6 today.
Z4001/6/7 around today.
QuoteZ4001/6/7 around today.
Use bustimes and see if their tracking
Could the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Not unless you want them to lose their roof... 28 can't have doubles unless the route gets re-routed.
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Absolutely no way, when the new electrics arrive they will eventually and hopefully be used on routes that frequently have single deckers on them like 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67 and 907
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
A low height vehicle could fit under the bridge as its 14'0 and most low height deckers are 13'5-13'10 but nx doesnt ever use low height vehicles so its unlikely
QuoteAbsolutely no way, when the new electrics arrive they will eventually and hopefully be used on routes that frequently have single deckers on them like 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67 and 907
4/4A definitely needs them
Quote from: EK40 on October 06, 2023, 08:23:24 AMA low height vehicle could fit under the bridge as its 14'0 and most low height deckers are 13'5-13'10 but nx doesnt ever use low height vehicles so its unlikely
That would be like opening a can of worms in a way, wrong height decker allocated etc
Quote from: BBS on October 06, 2023, 08:59:22 AM4/4A definitely needs them
Yes I agree, but I think Electrics will go to YW and possibly transferring Platinums to AG, but that is only a guess
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 10:32:10 AMYes I agree, but I think Electrics will go to YW and possibly transferring Platinums to AG, but that is only a guess
As has been stated before, the next lot of incoming electric double decks are mainly to replace Scania OmniLinks and the last few non-Euro6 doubles.
At YW, I would guess new electrics will go on the 50, then Platinums will go on the 2 and 3. It's possible then that some Platinums might get transferred to AG in order to withdraw any non-Euro6 deckers.
But I understand AG is due some electrics of its own within the next two years, and you'll probably see the E200MMCs move out to replace OmniLinks elsewhere, maybe WB?
Quote from: Stu on October 06, 2023, 10:51:48 AMAs has been stated before, the next lot of incoming electric double decks are mainly to replace Scania OmniLinks and the last few non-Euro6 doubles.
Maybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2023, 12:08:47 PMMaybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Although the 8A/C does really need double deckers, I think it will be a while before they get double deckers. The city centre routes that get rammed need them first. Hopefully in a few years time the single deck to double deck ratio balances out.
On the subject of low bridges, I note with interest that the bridge on Bournville Lane - that the 27 passes under - is rated at 2.9m metres max height.
Looking through specs of various electric single decks currently available, none are less than 3.0m high.
I would guess that at some point in the future, this service will have to be rerouted to avoid this bridge, presumably along Mary Vale Road. In which case there would be no need to use single decks anyway, therefore YW wouldn't technically 'need' any at all.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2023, 12:08:47 PMMaybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Can't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 02:41:27 PMCan't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
Its been said before electrics and platinums can fit under.
Its the Omnicity and 48XX at PB that don't.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 02:41:27 PMCan't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
The Electrics do fit under there, they are certified as 14'2" and the bridge is signed at 14'3"
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2023, 02:53:04 PMThe Electrics do fit under there, they are certified as 14'2" and the bridge is signed at 14'3"
The bridge on Summer Road in Erdington is also signed at 14'3", so theoretically the 28 and 96 could use E400MMCs then.
So its actually the 66 at PB which 'needs' single-decks, as the bridge on Station Road is signed at 13'.
Quote from: Stu on October 06, 2023, 03:10:26 PMThe bridge on Summer Road in Erdington is also signed at 14'3", so theoretically the 28 and 96 could use E400MMCs then.
The bridge on Summer Road in Erdington has had 14' 0" on it since 2008 according to Google Street View (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5255973,-1.8429262,3a,75y,346.91h,100.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-ovCEvHrQ4MmZM8By56CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
Quote from: ellspurs on October 06, 2023, 06:29:56 PMThe bridge on Summer Road in Erdington has had 14' 0" on it since 2008 according to Google Street View (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5255973,-1.8429262,3a,75y,346.91h,100.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-ovCEvHrQ4MmZM8By56CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
Ah, I see now, I'm not so well versed in imperial measurements, however curiously they both do show 4.3m? (Which is where I've got mixed up presumably!)
Highgate Road (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4620573,-1.882395,3a,75y,304.39h,93.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saKQQASaeM6e39b39oc2ddw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
Robin Hood Lane (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4288852,-1.8550039,3a,52y,103.41h,103.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_PlpA-ljdONfOxXySDjriw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) - fine for E400MMCs on the 5
Any future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
Quote from: RW on October 16, 2023, 07:38:36 PMAny future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
Please the 97 can have them guys I think they should get new enviro
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 08:16:22 PMPlease the 97 can have them guys I think they should get new enviro
Why. When there's no point for the EV charging to be setup in BC when it's going at one point.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 16, 2023, 09:42:35 PMWhy. When there's no point for the EV charging to be setup in BC when it's going at one point.
No 97! Needs new stuff because it go by hospital
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 10:08:24 PMNo 97! Needs new stuff because it go by hospital
Just because it goes by a hospital doesn't mean it needs new vehicles.
Quote from: Jack on October 16, 2023, 11:18:36 PMJust because it goes by a hospital doesn't mean it needs new vehicles.
Yes but where I live it is very popular
Quote from: RW on October 16, 2023, 07:38:36 PMAny future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
The next 500 or so already confirmed to be a mix of BYD400s and Wright Electroliners
i just been looking at the new Yutong double decker BEV with its upper deck featuring the london look very similar to the ADL design, Yutong starting to make inroads on the coaching sector, i bet they will under cut the local offerings lot of under hand dealings going on in the form of state subsides etc
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 11:30:57 PMYes but where I live it is very popular
I suspect the 97 has more likelihood of being upgraded with Platinum's once the next batch of Electrics start to arrive.
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 11:45:21 AMI suspect the 97 has more likelihood of being upgraded with Platinum's once the next batch of Electrics start to arrive.
I think brand new
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 17, 2023, 01:21:25 PMI think brand new
It won't get brand new buses at the minute with BC garage due to close at some point in the next few years.
The next batch of new buses will probably be mostly for Perry Barr. So 101 etc will probably get new buses.
Maybe more new buses for Coventry also to replace B7RLE there.
And the next cascades will probably replace the remaining non euro 6 45XX and 46XX Gemini at AG and WB.
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 17, 2023, 01:21:25 PMI think brand new
Not in the next couple of years, they're not going to install electric charging points & infrastructure in BC garage when it's due to be closed down & demonlished for redevelopment of Digbeth.
The 97 does deserve new buses as it is a busy & I'm assuming very profitable route for NX. IIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage, some of which are still on there & branded. They're 20 years old this year, although the 97 does now see an increasing amount of E400's & odd Platinum's.
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 01:56:08 PMIIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage
1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2023, 01:57:38 PM1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
Forgot about the Ominilinks, still 16 years ago for the 97.
And the current 03 plate branded Tridents are still 20 years old.
94 hasn't hadn't anything new in 20 years either then.
Quote from: EK40 on October 16, 2023, 11:40:31 PMThe next 500 or so already confirmed to be a mix of BYD400s and Wright Electroliners
ADL may be open to negotiation if that's possible. The new E400ev has a really impressive spec!
Quote from: RW on October 17, 2023, 04:38:56 PMADL may be open to negotiation if that's possible. The new E400ev has a really impressive spec!
Looks real smart too, would be nice if CV could get their hands on a few of these and have some double decker variety instead of just BYDs.
Quote from: Danthebusman on October 17, 2023, 05:48:40 PMLooks real smart too, would be nice if CV could get their hands on a few of these and have some double decker variety instead of just BYDs.
Why would Coventry need any more double decks and even less so need two different types to maintain
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2023, 01:57:38 PM1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
The ex Lea hall services haven't had investment for years. ( only the bromford corridor)
Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2023, 06:10:04 PMWhy would Coventry need any more double decks and even less so need two different types to maintain
any idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 18, 2023, 05:55:58 PMany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
I think soho road please
Need better then old
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 01:56:08 PMNot in the next couple of years, they're not going to install electric charging points & infrastructure in BC garage when it's due to be closed down & demonlished for redevelopment of Digbeth.
The 97 does deserve new buses as it is a busy & I'm assuming very profitable route for NX. IIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage, some of which are still on there & branded. They're 20 years old this year, although the 97 does now see an increasing amount of E400's & odd Platinum's.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 18, 2023, 05:55:58 PMany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Hopefully before the end of this year, as NX have an agreement with TfWM to get rid of their non Euro6 vehicles by January!
Quote from: Stu on October 19, 2023, 07:36:34 AMHopefully before the end of this year, as NX have an agreement with TfWM to get rid of their non Euro6 vehicles by January!
I make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
Quote from: cardew on October 19, 2023, 08:08:29 AMI make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
There's 80 in the first delivery
Quoteany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Why won't it be AG?
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2023, 08:11:26 AMThere's 80 in the first delivery
Excellent news, thanks for the info
Quote from: cardew on October 19, 2023, 08:08:29 AMI make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
PB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:27 PMPB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
Bc won't get any as there going to be having a new depot built iirc
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:27 PMPB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
All of the first 80 to PB maybe?
Could replace most of the decker fleet there i'd guess. Or maybe some 57 reg scanias on the 8/52 as well.
If the current charging infrastructure at YW is capable of handling a lot more buses, I suspect some may go to YW for the 50 potentially (?).
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2023, 06:20:22 PMAll of the first 80 to PB maybe?
Could replace most of the decker fleet there i'd guess. Or maybe some 57 reg scanias on the 8/52 as well.
Has it been confirmed they will be used on the 8? The 52 is mix of nearly anything like most other PB's routes.
Quote from: Jack on October 19, 2023, 07:26:38 PMHas it been confirmed they will be used on the 8? The 52 is mix of nearly anything like most other PB's routes.
No.
But guess some of the Omnilinks could be on borrowed time now. Think someone said the next batch of new buses will replace non euro 6 deckers and omnilinks as well.
We don't have a crystal ball. We can only use our own assumptions and hopes collectively, till we see the ball rolling.
What we know is euro6 vehicles will all be withdrawn by 2030 (according to nxwm). So every route will have their EV upgrades while being of similar age. So could that mean these vehicles would be garage upgrades rather than route upgrades?
Other than 2-3 years difference, the dd tridents and sd scanias are the same, euro 6 retro fitted. So the the later tridents could be eligible to continue while the scania fleet are reduced to a reasonable amount.
I'm sure the priority is now non-euro 6, then to reduce quantity of single deckers... All will probably be done seamlessly when we start to see big batches delivered at a time.
QuoteIf the current charging infrastructure at YW is capable of handling a lot more buses, I suspect some may go to YW for the 50 potentially (?).
Does the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
Quote from: BBS on October 20, 2023, 10:33:03 AMDoes the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
Its upgrade cycle is pretty frequent. 1998 with spectras, 2001 with B7TL ALX400s, then slightly newer trident ALX400s shortly after, 2008 with E400s, 2015 with crimson E400 MMCs, 2018 with platinum E400 MMCs.
Its one of the most frequently upgraded NX routes, indicating that it's probably one of the most profitable. I'd say it doesn't "need" upgrading, but it's not a bad shout either. Releasing 68 plate platinum buses to upgrade other bus routes seems good to me too.
Apparently the 'new' ADL electrics have a revised front geometry to protect vulnerable road users. The new spec vehicle begs the question how long will ADL continue with the BYD model?
Quote from: RW on October 24, 2023, 04:12:56 PMApparently the 'new' ADL electrics have a revised front geometry to protect vulnerable road users. The new spec vehicle begs the question how long will ADL continue with the BYD model?
For as long as customers want to order them. There could be many reasons why a BYD chassis would be more beneficial over an ADL for an operator.
Quote from: BBS on October 19, 2023, 08:13:31 AMWhy won't it be AG?
AG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 24, 2023, 07:26:54 PMAG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
Really, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 24, 2023, 07:45:01 PMReally, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
Thats a pretty big time gap
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 24, 2023, 07:45:01 PMReally, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
And the large batch of Scanias for the 37
And the large batch of B7RLEs for the 71/71
Both of which were replaced after a couple of years by more new buses (2201-50)
( so not a big gap between the Geminis & E200MMCs)
i stand corrected
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 24, 2023, 07:47:26 PMThats a pretty big time gap
It's not really, AG had new B7's in 2007, new Omnilinks in 2010, B7's in 2012, MMC's in 2015 and also a year old lot in 2016.
A few of PB's services haven't had new vehicles since the early 2000's, AG was also given 3 year old MMC's in 2018, and they've just had more MMC's of near enough same age given to them, so yes AG have had a lot more new buses than some other depots.
Quote from: Jack on October 24, 2023, 07:53:06 PMIt's not really, AG had new B7's in 2007, new Omnilinks in 2010, B7's in 2012, MMC's in 2015 and also a year old lot in 2016.
A few of PB's services haven't had new vehicles since the early 2000's, AG was also given 3 year old MMC's in 2018, and they've just had more MMC's of near enough same age given to them, so yes AG have had a lot more new buses than some other depots.
You've forgotten 2099-2121 were new to AG as well!
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2023, 07:56:56 PMYou've forgotten 2099-2121 (tel:2099-2121) were new to AG as well!
Edited it, went out my head completely!
In Summary in the last 27 years Acocks Green has had:-
B10Bs new in 1996
Solos in 1999
Presidents in 2000
Geminis in 2003 (45xx)
Geminis in 2004 (46xx)
B7RLEs in 2007
Scanias in 2010
B7RLEs in 2012
E200MMCs in 2015
Not bad for a garage that very rarely gets new buses.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 24, 2023, 07:26:54 PMAG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
If it is some small crumb of comfort, there are 300 brand new buses due to be delivered within the next two years, and all West Midlands garages will be getting their fair share.
The irony will be that BC will be the only garage not to get any!
Quote from: BBS on October 20, 2023, 10:33:03 AMDoes the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
It's one of Europe's busiest routes and NXWM's most frequent service, so I'd say so
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2023, 08:21:20 PMIn Summary in the last 27 years Acocks Green has had:-
B10Bs new in 1996
Solos in 1999
Presidents in 2000
Geminis in 2003 (45xx)
Geminis in 2004 (46xx)
B7RLEs in 2007
Scanias in 2010
B7RLEs in 2012
E200MMCs in 2015
Not bad for a garage that very rarely gets new buses.
Solo's & Presidents were the worst of the worst,
i did also state that when they get new vehicles, they quickly disappear to YW /PB / BC
just saying thats all
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2023, 08:31:19 PMThe irony will be that BC will be the only garage not to get any!
I mean BC have had new buses nearly every year for a few years now (obviously not with the electrics or hydrogens for previously stated reasons), so I guess it balances it out.
P
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 25, 2023, 03:14:01 PMSolo's & Presidents were the worst of the worst,
i did also state that when they get new vehicles, they quickly disappear to YW /PB / BC
just saying thats all
Payback for nicking YWs Lynxes and some Metros in 1994 in exchange for Fleetlines. Never forget 😂😂
With the deliveries of electric buses starting soon (Tony mentioned it in the Perry Barr thread) will any other garages barring BC and WB (if it is to close?) Getting charging facilities?
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 25, 2023, 12:42:26 AMIt's one of Europe's busiest routes and NXWM's most frequent service, so I'd say so
The 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
There is also the new E400 Ev (new look/model )that's was revealed today
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
Don't forget that Diamond have recently boosted capacity on the 50 by using double-decks.
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 02, 2023, 12:03:06 AMThere is also the new E400 Ev (new look/model )that's was revealed today
I'm hoping NX give this one a go! It looks good, higher capacity. Two wheelchair spaces as standard. And it hasn't got that awful headroom at the rear.
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
electroliners have the exact same layout and capacity as the streetdecks iirc so a total capacity of 100 to 96 (75-83 seated)
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
My guess is that Electrics going to YW will go on to the 2, 3 and 18
Quote from: Gareth on November 02, 2023, 11:33:49 AMI'm hoping NX give this one a go! It looks good, higher capacity. Two wheelchair spaces as standard. And it hasn't got that awful headroom at the rear.
It does look decent on paper, a lot smarter looking than the fugly E400 City body too. I do think greater capacity will be needed on many of the 5 min frequency main corridors into Birmingham as and when they eventually are upgraded to electric buses, and that the BYD vehicles would struggle.
QuoteMy guess is that Electrics going to YW will go on to the 2, 3 and 18
Would the first 170 electrics to enter service be enough to cover all Birmingham main corridor services ran by PB and YW? If YW and PB will be the only garages getting the electric buses first (not confirmed)
Quote from: BK63 YWP on November 02, 2023, 05:27:26 PMWould the first 170 electrics to enter service be enough to cover all Birmingham main corridor services ran by PB and YW? If YW and PB will be the only garages getting the electric buses first (not confirmed)
Probably not, but that's not the main intention.
As previously stated, the first aim will be to withdraw any remaining non-Euro6 vehicles, so I'd expect to see some E400s and E400MMCs heading off elsewhere first.
The second aim will be to start reducing the number of single decks by withdrawing Scania OmniLinks, which both YW and PB have far too many of!
I would expect incoming EVs to go onto the Sutton Lines at PB and the 6 and 50 at YW. At YW this would allow E400MMCs to replace OmniLinks currently being used on the 2, 3, and 76. Likewise at PB, where the excess number of OmniLinks can start to be dwindled down.
Don't forget the E400MMC Platinums still have a fair few years of life left in them. And equally until a buying decision is made on zero-emission single decks, I could see some of the E200s and Eclipse 2s being moved around to replace other OmniLinks elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on November 02, 2023, 07:42:52 PMDon't forget the E400MMC Platinums still have a fair few years of life left in them. And equally until a buying decision is made on zero-emission single decks, I could see some of the E200s and Eclipse 2s being moved around to replace other OmniLinks elsewhere.
Coventry has currently 19 B7RLEs and 11 E200s - suggesting the volume of vehicles at CV is probably too high and in any case these will have to be replaced by electric single decks, where required, by 2025. I would have expected AG to receive a few more B7RLEs and the rest to WA to replace Scanias? I wonder where the E200s will go? Possibly YW for the 27?
Quote from: don on November 02, 2023, 11:19:38 PMCoventry has currently 19 B7RLEs and 11 E200s - suggesting the volume of vehicles at CV is probably too high and in any case these will have to be replaced by electric single decks, where required, by 2025. I would have expected AG to receive a few more B7RLEs and the rest to WA to replace Scanias? I wonder where the E200s will go? Possibly YW for the 27?
The number of single decks at CV has reduced since the arrival of the EVs, however it could be argued that they still have more single decks than they 'need' (for the 20B route).
I imagine they would still want to keep a number there for the 20B and for routes that wouldn't require the capacity of a double-deck though. I suppose it is possible that as well as single-deck EVs, CV might also get a few more doubles if further 'balancing' is required.
Regarding the 27, that's an interesting one in itself. Yes, I could see some E200s making their way to YW for a few years, I think Tony said elsewhere that after this weekend, YW would only 'need' 5 or 6 single decks to operate that route in its shortened form.
However looking further down the line, as I have commented here already, there aren't any single-deck EVs that are less than 3m in height, so by 2030 - when NX aims to have a 100% zero emission fleet - the 27 isn't going to be able to serve Bournville Lane anyway, so if it is rerouted around that very low bridge, then they may as well use double decks, then YW doesn't 'need' any single deck vehicles at all.
QuoteThe number of single decks at CV has reduced since the arrival of the EVs, however it could be argued that they still have more single decks than they 'need' (for the 20B route).
I imagine they would still want to keep a number there for the 20B and for routes that wouldn't require the capacity of a double-deck though. I suppose it is possible that as well as single-deck EVs, CV might also get a few more doubles if further 'balancing' is required.
Regarding the 27, that's an interesting one in itself. Yes, I could see some E200s making their way to YW for a few years, I think Tony said elsewhere that after this weekend, YW would only 'need' 5 or 6 single decks to operate that route in its shortened form.
However looking further down the line, as I have commented here already, there aren't any single-deck EVs that are less than 3m in height, so by 2030 - when NX aims to have a 100% zero emission fleet - the 27 isn't going to be able to serve Bournville Lane anyway, so if it is rerouted around that very low bridge, then they may as well use double decks, then YW doesn't 'need' any single deck vehicles at all.
25 also can't have the double decks, I'm pretty sure the rest can ( 2,2A,85,85B )
LG73 FTT will be one of the registrations of the next batch
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2023, 05:02:34 PMLG73 FTT will be one of the registrations of the next batch
I don't suppose you're in any position yet to reveal which garage is going to receive these? :smiley:
Quote from: BBS on November 04, 2023, 11:55:24 AM25 also can't have the double decks, I'm pretty sure the rest can ( 2,2A,85,85B )
Yes - electric double decks do run on the 85 through to and from Rugby on schooldays, and one has occasionally run on the 85B.
Booked registrations for the next 30 electrics are now on the main site.
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Although these are 'booked' none have actually be registered yet so it's possible any deliveries delayed will be changed.
E164 has been delivered today
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 12:18:06 PME164 has been delivered today
Before anyone starts getting excited, I assume these will initially be delivered to BC to have equipment installed etc?
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2023, 07:36:38 PMBefore anyone starts getting excited, I assume these will initially be delivered to BC to have equipment installed etc?
Yes, and then parked at various sites until they can be used
All details up to E243 now on the main site ( and will be on buslists on the web soon as well)
Z4002/3/4/5 have all left BC to Roberts Yard in Hugglescote
E004 has now left YW
@Tony are NX monitoring battery hours as well as vehicle mileage to see if the two are being maximised?
Quote from: Wumpty on November 15, 2023, 09:10:11 AM@Tony are NX monitoring battery hours as well as vehicle mileage to see if the two are being maximised?
Yes, the buses all have kit on that shows all the details automatically
Quote from: Stu on November 04, 2023, 06:48:10 PMI don't suppose you're in any position yet to reveal which garage is going to receive these? :smiley:
May I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
Quote from: windy miller on November 16, 2023, 03:47:27 AMMay I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
What about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 16, 2023, 06:00:01 AMWhat about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
And don't forget the 33 49xx as well
Quote from: windy miller on November 16, 2023, 03:47:27 AMMay I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
Short answer, yes. All garages will receive new buses within the next few years.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 16, 2023, 06:00:01 AMWhat about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717 (tel:4700-4717)) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
Don't forget 751-760, 831-839 and the earlier 81x E200s that were all new to WB
Quote from: frostjay974 on November 16, 2023, 05:26:05 PMDon't forget 751-760, 831-839 and the earlier 81x E200s that were all new to WB
New Omnilinks too in 2008/9 for the 404's as well.
And West Brom had a load of brand new merc minibuses two batches
Quote from: karl724223 on November 16, 2023, 05:44:13 PMAnd West Brom had a load of brand new merc minibuses two batches
Yet apparently they never get any new buses...
All of E164-E170 now delivered
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2023, 11:09:51 AMAll of E164-E170 now delivered
Who's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 17, 2023, 03:12:08 PMWho's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Moat likely that Perry Bar will be the first.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 17, 2023, 03:12:08 PMWho's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Pensnett
Quote from: Wumpty on November 22, 2023, 10:36:15 AMJust spat my coffee out @karl724223 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Your age or your now a dribbler 😂😂
Quote from: karl724223 on November 22, 2023, 12:12:31 PMYour age or your now a dribbler 😂😂
I suspect some will be an PN before long
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2023, 12:36:50 PMI suspect some will be an PN before long
I've seen some coming through Walsall this morning obviously heading to the garage.
Quote from: PB50 on November 22, 2023, 01:24:39 PMI've seen some coming through Walsall this morning obviously heading to the garage.
4 currently at WA and 10 at BC
Noted UID one on the M6 south near junction 36 about 14.30 today
Mentions pensnett wonder if will be for 126
Quote from: Solo1 on November 23, 2023, 01:55:30 PMMentions pensnett wonder if will be for 126
Likely Pensnett will just be used for temporary storage, same as Walsall and Birmingham Central.
@Tony any performance figures available for first phase electrics 20 plates) to see how battery life against mileage covered is performing?
Interested to see if the batteries are sustaining the constant charging as there would be some expected battery depreciation.
E236 & E239 are both built at ADL, Falkirk:
E236:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53356295212
E239:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53357501859
The first two of
Quote from: winston on November 27, 2023, 05:24:32 PME236 & E239 are both built at ADL, Falkirk:
E236:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53356295212
E239:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53357501859
the first two second batch (E194/5) are due for delivery this week. (along with all the remaining ones of the first batch)
How come they have London registrations
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 27, 2023, 06:02:02 PMHow come they have London registrations
Exactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2023, 06:06:46 PMExactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
I've noticed that Go Ahead companies tend in many cases to have their vehicles registered locally, regardless of make. For example GNE's E200s carry Newcastle plates (although their E400s don't) and most of Go South Coast's ADL vehicles have Hampshire plates. Likewise, Plymouth Citybus tend to have West Country plates. I'm not sure how or why Go Ahead manage to do this when other companies don't, but I personally think the loss of local plates on what are already pretty generic buses nationwide these days is a bit of a shame.
E187 arrived at Wolverhampton where it is being stored.
E170 is the first new electric to get to Perry Barr. It's only to be used for on site training at the moment so don't expect to see it out and about
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2023, 04:28:07 PME170 is the first new electric to get to Perry Barr. It's only to be used for on site training at the moment so don't expect to see it out and about
Do the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
Have a look at this (timestamped for relevance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHfctjQUp0&t=186
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
I believe they plug in like an electric car/van does. Pantographs were used on trolley buses in the day and now on the trams otherwise there would be streets of overhead lines to accommodate the new electrics,
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 30, 2023, 03:47:51 PMI believe they plug in like an electric car/van does. Pantographs were used on trolley buses in the day and now on the trams otherwise there would be streets of overhead lines to accommodate the new electrics,
No because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:57:42 PMNo because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
If you look at the video I posted in my previous reply, that will answer your question.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:57:42 PMNo because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
Perry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2023, 04:13:31 PMPerry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
Oh okay thankyou tony, I was told that the things on wire at Perry Barr is for overhead charging clearly not correct sorry
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 04:16:19 PMOh okay thankyou tony, I was told that the things on wire at Perry Barr is for overhead charging clearly not correct sorry
Drivers get a extension lead when they book on to plug into lampposts at the terminus 😎
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
I think it's going to be charging points as all the electrical work has been fitted underground
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2023, 06:06:46 PMExactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
Off topic question but were the scania omnilinks built in Poland?
Quote from: frostjay974 on November 30, 2023, 05:33:22 PMOff topic question but were the scania omnilinks built in Poland?
Isn't that better to ask in another thread?
Why are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
Quote from: jasmine on January 23, 2024, 11:33:56 PMWhy are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
These are a small batch of 'spare buses' (Z). these are implemented the place of a (E) EV while it's taken out of service. Pretty much back up, not meant to be a long term, Or part of any garage in particular.
Quote from: jasmine on January 23, 2024, 11:33:56 PMWhy are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
These are Zenobes fleet as spares I believe there are 8 numbered Z4001-8, to be used when needed to replace I believe some of the earlier Electrics from the first batch
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2023, 04:13:31 PMPerry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
I have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
All I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Yes, I am aware of certain stories about electric bus fires and admittedly I've not looked too closely into them, but equally as far as I am aware, it has never been made clear if such vehicles have 'accidentally' caught fire or been subject to arson attacks.
Or put it in another way, NX have had far more fires in the last three years involving diesel vehicles, than electric ones.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 08:46:33 PMOr put it in another way, NX have had far more fires in the last three years involving diesel vehicles, than electric ones.
Most of them have been arson haven't they? 6899, 7508, 4614 etc.
The diesel vehicles make up a higher percentage of the fleet as well.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
it was only one fire btw, with a fairly rare type in the grand scheme of things (optare metrodecker EV) only operated in small amounts in london and york. nothings being withdrawn or converted or the like.
the type NX uses (BYD ADL400EV) has not had any isses despite probably being one of the most common electric types and being in service for nearly 5 years across the country.
its sensationalist media really, just trying to ragebait for clicks as they know people generally arent a fan of EVs due to some legitimate concerns and many random things they've been told over facebook and believe.
Quote from: 2206 on January 25, 2024, 08:57:38 PMMost of them have been arson haven't they? 6899, 7508, 4614 etc.
The diesel vehicles make up a higher percentage of the fleet as well.
6137, 6988, 6766, 4554 and 4456 to over the last couple of years plus 4483
Plus 4543/4624/4629
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
You say 'a lot'. Can you name more than 5 in the last 10 years since they started mainstream production
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:46:40 PMAll I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Very much this.
You only have to see which individuals and publications are pushing this agenda to know they're trying to start another "wedge issue".
Quote from: cardew on January 26, 2024, 07:49:29 AMVery much this.
You only have to see which individuals and publications are pushing this agenda to know they're trying to start another "wedge issue".
The only electric bus fires have been:
First York Optare in 2015 (relatively minor damage the bus was repaired and is still in use)
Metroline Potters Bar Optare Metrodecker depot fire caused by human error, incorrect fluid was put in the battery coolant)
Stagecoach Mansfield BYD E200
Go-Ahead Optare Metrodecker in Wimbledon
Go-Ahead BYD/E200 in Putney garage.
so five vehicles, four companies in 10 years, not a lot!
Now let's see if anyone can compile a list of diesels that have gone up in the last 10 years.
I know there's around 20 times more diesels on the road, but there's been a lot more than 100 thermal incidents on diesels in that time.
Quote from: cris 99 on January 26, 2024, 05:41:42 AMPlus 4543/4624/4629
Oh yeah forgot about them but 4543 was withdrawn way before that batch went from Wolverhampton to YW so I didn't include I only included buses from the lady couple of years when Electrics started to enter service.
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2024, 08:23:27 AMThe only electric bus fires have been:
First York Optare in 2015 (relatively minor damage the bus was repaired and is still in use)
Metroline Potters Bar Optare Metrodecker depot fire caused by human error, incorrect fluid was put in the battery coolant)
Stagecoach Mansfield BYD E200
Go-Ahead Optare Metrodecker in Wimbledon
Go-Ahead BYD/E200 in Putney garage.
so five vehicles, four companies in 10 years, not a lot!
Now let's see if anyone can compile a list of diesels that have gone up in the last 10 years.
I know there's around 20 times more diesels on the road, but there's been a lot more than 100 thermal incidents on diesels in that time.
Some for NX that weren't arson 1793, 2151, 4593, 4601, then there was an MMC that has since been repaired, 4577, then there was the ex NX/McGills E200MMC not sure on the thousands of others but that is some in the West Midlands not forgetting before it 4336, 4355, various Mercs, the Diamond Solo that caught fire in Bloxwhich and more if that I know of but can't remember what it was
Gave way to E200 coming into City off Bradford Street earlier. Driven by a certain someone... lol
If anything, GoAhead London need to investigate why three of their vehicles have caught fire in the span of two weeks. Their other fire was an Enviro 400 MMC hybrid which devastated the bus.
Report on BBC, electric bus fire inside Putney garage, its states on a letter to all staff by GoAhead it was a single decker BYD/ADL and checks are being made on 380 other buses
Quote from: Mayfield on January 26, 2024, 02:05:58 PMReport on BBC, electric bus fire inside Putney garage, its states on a letter to all staff by GoAhead it was a single decker BYD/ADL a
I put that in my post.
As it was the front of the bus where the fire was, that almost certainly eliminates any causes due to it being an electric bus.
Most likely cause, not saying that it is to pre-empt the enquiry, is an electrical problem in the 24v system which all buses have, not just electrics.
As Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 06:50:03 PMAs Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Going off their commitment to be zero emission by 2030*, that means they intend to replace the last of the Diesels, which are 2019 models. They'd be 11 years old in 2030, compared with the oldest vehicles at the moment being 21 years old. So unless anything changes, the latest batch of Platinums have only got 6 years left.
*not 100% certain, but 2030 rings a bell.
Quote from: MW on January 26, 2024, 07:06:06 PMGoing off their commitment to be zero emission by 2030*, that means they intend to replace the last of the Diesels, which are 2019 models. They'd be 11 years old in 2030, compared with the oldest vehicles at the moment being 21 years old. So unless anything changes, the latest batch of Platinums have only got 6 years left.
*not 100% certain, but 2030 rings a bell.
That is correct, the commitment was to have a 'zero-emission' bus fleet by 2030. Your calculations are probably right, the 'newest' diesel Platinums will likely be the last to be withdrawn as they still have a good few years in them.
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 06:50:03 PMAs Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Tony mentioned either here or in another thread that Perry Barr are due to have all their diesel double-decks replaced with new electrics in this latest delivery. While I would not like to say for certain what is going to happen, I would imagine we'll see some of their existing newer diesel double-decks be shifted around to other garages to withdraw some older ones.
Hearing (rumours) that the 8 could go DD...
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2024, 07:31:13 PMThat is correct, the commitment was to have a 'zero-emission' bus fleet by 2030. Your calculations are probably right, the 'newest' diesel Platinums will likely be the last to be withdrawn as they still have a good few years in them.
Tony mentioned either here or in another thread that Perry Barr are due to have all their diesel double-decks replaced with new electrics in this latest delivery. While I would not like to say for certain what is going to happen, I would imagine we'll see some of their existing newer diesel double-decks be shifted around to other garages to withdraw some older ones.
My point was obviously as with the coventry diesel double deckers, they were shifted around the rest of the depots, so its a given the non euro 6 will go asap, then the oldest buses go, but will they do 1 garage at a time, or as they all become suitable for charging spread the introduction around keep average age down. I do wonder if as the majority of those diesel buses to be replaced are euro 6 and psvar whether nore would see resale upon withdraway. id imagine when they get to the last batch of platinums as they only be 11 years old they wouldnt be scrapped as still be worth money
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 08:49:10 PMMy point was obviously as with the coventry diesel double deckers, they were shifted around the rest of the depots, so its a given the non euro 6 will go asap, then the oldest buses go, but will they do 1 garage at a time, or as they all become suitable for charging spread the introduction around keep average age down. I do wonder if as the majority of those diesel buses to be replaced are euro 6 and psvar whether nore would see resale upon withdraway. id imagine when they get to the last batch of platinums as they only be 11 years old they wouldnt be scrapped as still be worth money
Well even older buses like the B7's got sold on so the Plattys definitely will, that is if no one else is wanting all electric fleet. Maybe they could be exported to NI or Right Hand Drive overseas markets
Is 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 26, 2024, 11:48:58 PMIs 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
@Tony has only mentioned all PB's diesel double deckers being replaced - there are 99 currently (by my reckoning - which may or may not be accurate!! ) 🤣
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 26, 2024, 11:48:58 PMIs 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
Not quite, I make it 179 diesel deckers still active at those garages (102 x PB & 77 x YW).
The Omnilinks fleet at both garages could also be reduced by cascaded deckers too.
Just seen E167 outside One Stop in perry barr. Is this bus with Coventry as the back display said NX coventry.
No it's Perry Barr bus driver training.
But will it eventually go to Coventry?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 12:04:18 PMBut will it eventually go to Coventry?
No, if you look at the mainn site with the 1000's of photos Tony puts on, you can answer your own question:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E167.html
Electric Bus fleetlist:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 12:06:30 PMNo, if you look at the mainn site with the 1000's of photos Tony puts on, you can answer your own question:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E167.html
Electric Bus fleetlist:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Thanks, but why would the back display say NX Coventry if it has nothing to do with coventry?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 12:12:01 PMThanks, but why would the back display say NX Coventry if it has nothing to do with coventry?
It's just a display, Tony has said previously he often uses NXC route 11 to test displays / NSA's
Quote from: EK40 on January 25, 2024, 09:07:54 PMit was only one fire btw, with a fairly rare type in the grand scheme of things (optare metrodecker EV) only operated in small amounts in london and york. nothings being withdrawn or converted or the like.
the type NX uses (BYD ADL400EV) has not had any isses despite probably being one of the most common electric types and being in service for nearly 5 years across the country.
its sensationalist media really, just trying to ragebait for clicks as they know people generally arent a fan of EVs due to some legitimate concerns and many random things they've been told over facebook and believe.
Thank You i was not aware it was one i have seen several posts, one through the garage doors & 2 from different angles i thought that was 3 my bad, im not an expert, i did not realise also that there are different types, i thought the differences where just Chassis & Body - i AM afan of the Electrics, but NOT The Tram, i would be a fan of the Hydrogens but they spend too much time off the road, it seems the technology is not ready to be rolled out yet as the infrastructure is not there
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:46:40 PMAll I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Yes, I am aware of certain stories about electric bus fires and admittedly I've not looked too closely into them, but equally as far as I am aware, it has never been made clear if such vehicles have 'accidentally' caught fire or been subject to arson attacks.
Thank you for not jumping down my throat
for the record, im ok with The Electrics, my attention was grabbed by the fact they were on fire, agreed NXWM has suffered a lot of Arson Attacks lately, somebody recently claimed to be responsible for a fire to an ALX400 and said F**k It it's only a bus, only a bus it maybe (to some ppl) but if the same ppl had to buy one (even a pre-owned one) i think attitudes might change, similarly if they need to get from A to B but there is a shortage of Buses due to them being Burned, they will be first to slag the bus company.
Burning Buses (or anything) should be stamped out its not funny & its not victimless.
anyhoo thanks for that, ill continue to just watch what happens
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 27, 2024, 02:11:25 PMThank you for not jumping down my throat
for the record, im ok with The Electrics, my attention was grabbed by the fact they were on fire, agreed NXWM has suffered a lot of Arson Attacks lately, somebody recently claimed to be responsible for a fire to an ALX400 and said F**k It it's only a bus, only a bus it maybe (to some ppl) but if the same ppl had to buy one (even a pre-owned one) i think attitudes might change, similarly if they need to get from A to B but there is a shortage of Buses due to them being Burned, they will be first to slag the bus company.
They'd be changing their tune if they were forced to pay for one bus......
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 12:13:28 PMIt's just a display, Tony has said previously he often uses NXC route 11 to test displays / NSA's
Ok thanks. By the way I haven't read every message of every section of this forum so there are of course some things that have been mentioned that I haven't seen.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 03:32:52 PMOk thanks. By the way I haven't read every message of every section of this forum so there are of course some things that have been mentioned that I haven't seen.
The livery it carries will tell you far more than the display. Especially as that one has been vinyled up in full.
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 05:06:22 PMThe livery it carries will tell you far more than the display. Especially as that one has been vinyled up in full.
Couldn't quite see the livery due to cars surrounding the vehicle unfortunately.
When electric chargers are fitted at garages, how many are actually needed? Is it one per bus? So when YW had 20 delivered did they need 20 chargers installed? Same with CV and PB.
Quote from: Gareth on January 27, 2024, 05:37:19 PMWhen electric chargers are fitted at garages, how many are actually needed? Is it one per bus? So when YW had 20 delivered did they need 20 chargers installed? Same with CV and PB.
Ideally, yes, so each bus in the garage overnight is charged ready for the morning peak, but some buses will always be under maintenance, so it's not quite 100% that's neede
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 05:32:30 PMCouldn't quite see the livery due to cars surrounding the vehicle unfortunately.
Exactly my point, you could have looked at the main site & would have seen it was in NXWM livery, that's why Tony spends so much of his time taking & uploading photos etc
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 06:14:05 PMExactly my point, you could have looked at the main site & would have seen it was in NXWM livery, that's why Tony spends so much of his time taking & uploading photos etc
Well unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:16:10 PMWell unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
Maybe it should be next time then.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:16:10 PMWell unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
If you saw the blinds you would have seen lots of red, not blue livery, the whole of the panel around the destination is red
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 06:18:44 PMIf you saw the blinds you would have seen lots of red, not blue livery, the whole of the panel around the destination is red
Unfortunately I only saw the back display of the bus. I will make an effort to check the main site before posting again though 👍
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:22:02 PMUnfortunately I only saw the back display of the bus.
How did you know it was E167?
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 06:46:30 PMHow did you know it was E167?
Because it said E167 on the back
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:51:49 PMBecause it said E167 on the back
On the red livery which you claim you didn't see
Are these deliveries, garage upgrades instead of route upgrades?
it'll take till one garage' fleet is replaced then onto the next garage. Instead of some here for these routes some there for them?
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
I'm sorry, but I don't really pay attention to the fine details of a bus when i'm focusing on the road. I saw E167 on a back of a black bus, with the back display showing nxcoventry. Clearly the red wasn't very noticeable or I would've seen it!
Quote from: don on January 26, 2024, 11:57:12 PM@Tony has only mentioned all PB's diesel double deckers being replaced - there are 99 currently (by my reckoning - which may or may not be accurate!! ) 🤣
When this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 28, 2024, 07:18:22 PMWhen this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
I think you should take the time to read back through this and other threads, because I'm sure we've been over all this before.
In short:
- the overall fleet has far too many single decks for what is actually needed, and one of the aims of the current delivery of 300 new electric double decks is to reduce the number of singles.
- the 4/4H/4M can't have double decks due to the bridge height restriction at Sandwell & Dudley station.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
Speaking of red and blue liveries, why did a few Cov E400 MMCs have the red TfWM livery as opposed to the sky blue one?
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 28, 2024, 07:18:22 PMWhen this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
I have a funny feeling the 16 branded will go WB. And the Sutton's will go AG. and the e400 tridents YW
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2024, 07:26:10 PMI think you should take the time to read back through this and other threads, because I'm sure we've been over all this before.
In short:
- the overall fleet has far too many single decks for what is actually needed, and one of the aims of the current delivery of 300 new electric double decks is to reduce the number of singles.
- the 4/4H/4M can't have double decks due to the bridge height restriction at Sandwell & Dudley station.
Which buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 28, 2024, 10:54:59 PMWhich buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
All double deckers as signage was changed.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 27, 2024, 02:54:51 PMThey'd be changing their tune if they were forced to pay for one bus......
i fully agree, that was my point :grin:
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 28, 2024, 10:54:59 PMWhich buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
Quote from: Jack on January 29, 2024, 02:04:48 AMAll double deckers as signage was changed.
https://www.blackcountryradio.co.uk/news/local-headlines/warning-to-drivers-as-height-restriction-reduced-on-oldbury-bridge/ as per what
@Jack has said.
Not related to nxwm but just seen a wright gb kite electric one (idk name) from first heading towards city centre by stock field road.
Quote from: jasmine on January 28, 2024, 08:53:35 PMSpeaking of red and blue liveries, why did a few Cov E400 MMCs have the red TfWM livery as opposed to the sky blue one?
Loaned or short term transfers I think.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 30, 2024, 02:59:16 PMLoaned or short term transfers I think.
It was just they had the blue changed to red just before the electrics arrived so they were ready for transfer
Quote from: Dababa015 on January 30, 2024, 01:34:14 PMNot related to nxwm but just seen a wright gb kite electric one (idk name) from first heading towards city centre by stock field road.
most likely just going to greysons in tyseley (or from) quite a lot of electroliners from all over the country there, and two brand new enviro 400ev demos in a camo livery.
Just seen a national express West Midlands branded new electric and great Barr just now, anyone know what one this was please?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 12:42:06 PMJust seen a national express West Midlands branded new electric and great Barr just now, anyone know what one this was please?
It will be one of PB's E165 or E167 but I don't know which will be there at the time you saw
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:08:55 PMIt will be one of PB's E165 or E167 but I don't know which will be there at the time you saw
Oh, what was the one you was on the M6 near great Barr, I seen you driving
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 02:25:35 PMOh, what was the one you was on the M6 near great Barr, I seen you driving
You didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:31:27 PMYou didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
No I know I didn't ask that at first, if you seen I put oh then a comma meaning I was asking a different question,
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:31:27 PMYou didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
You was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
He
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMYou was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
He was driving E177 earlier because he took it from BC to WN
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMYou was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
Don't tell me what I was & wasn't driving, and you wonder why I get annoyed with you.
Here's me driving E177 today. Link to it on Facebook here if you are in the group Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1880112679115364&set=gm.7335911743113952&idorvanity=411584718880057) (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/424958024_1880112669115365_638239180896130697_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=Bh8qHYdxFrwAX8ayJrA&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfAVUIKPJW68P4Rk5t3M_R_614QeGb4bHrcLa5iOJYRinA&oe=65C0626F)
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 06:21:47 PMDon't tell me what I was & wasn't driving, and you wonder why I get annoyed with you.
Here's me driving E177 today. Link to it on Facebook here if you are in the group Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1880112679115364&set=gm.7335911743113952&idorvanity=411584718880057) (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/424958024_1880112669115365_638239180896130697_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=Bh8qHYdxFrwAX8ayJrA&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfAVUIKPJW68P4Rk5t3M_R_614QeGb4bHrcLa5iOJYRinA&oe=65C0626F)
Well, if you didn't block me I'd be able to see it would I, and again as I said the one the motorway had NO logos on this does, I'm not annoying you I'm asking a question this is NOT what I seen on the motorway unless as I said you took it to be branded.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 07:11:53 PMWell, if you didn't block me I'd be able to see it would I, and again as I said the one the motorway had NO logos on this does, I'm not annoying you I'm asking a question this is NOT what I seen on the motorway unless as I said you took it to be branded.
That has nothing to do with me blocking you as it is obviously not my photo!
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 07:25:57 PMThat has nothing to do with me blocking you as it is obviously not my photo!
Okay, so what bus was you driving down the M6, because it definitely was not E177 I seen I have a photo, unless you took it to BC to be branded but reg plates don't match. I don't see why you can't just answer simple and be helpful.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 07:36:43 PMOkay, so what bus was you driving down the M6, because it definitely was not E177 I seen I have a photo, unless you took it to BC to be branded but reg plates don't match. I don't see why you can't just answer simple and be helpful.
I don't know if you'll still be on this forum by the end of the year if you keep going on like this...
What do you gain from arguing with Tony?? If he was driving E177 (with photographic evidence), what point are you possibly trying to make?
Quote from: mesub on February 01, 2024, 07:43:44 PMI don't know if you'll still be on this forum by the end of the year if you keep going on like this...
What do you gain from arguing with Tony?? If he was driving E177 (with photographic evidence), what point are you possibly trying to make?
I'm trying to ask a simple question, I'm not causing any harm. I have photographic evidence what is your point, some of you on this forum don't listen, im trying to ask a simple question let me explain it again.
So I seen a PLAIN 2 tone grey electric on the motorway, now im not a genius but the photo Tony put in the forum not long ago had RED branding on it. So I asked did he take it to BC to get branded up because if not then it's NOT E177 clearly as it was unbranded.
Your not causing any harm yet you called tony a liar. On another thread 10 minutes ago you were told to stop filling the the threads with junk and stop bickering yet your still going on. Tony isn't going to answer you is he or he would have done so by now. You've being going on and on about this for hours now please give it a rest
Quote from: cris 99 on February 01, 2024, 08:48:18 PMYou're not causing any harm yet you called tony a liar. On another thread 10 minutes ago you were told to stop filling the the threads with junk and stop bickering yet you're still going on. Tony isn't going to answer you is he or he would have done so by now. You've being going on and on about this for hours now please give it a rest
That's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
QuoteThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
Tony banned you from this fourm before, and now your back destroying the peace again
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 09:16:21 PMThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
Perhaps you saw a brand new delivery or an unbranded electric being moved between garages. Either way, E177 was branded since at least yesterday, maybe earlier.
E177 was branded up at BC and taken to Wolverhampton today as in the photo taken in Birmingham
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 01, 2024, 09:39:44 PMPerhaps you saw a brand new delivery or an unbranded electric being moved between garages. Either way, E177 was branded since at least yesterday, maybe earlier.
THANKYOUUUUUUU!!!! Omg you have just proved a point, so
@Tony what was the electric you took down the M6 today which was unbranded.
I'm pretty sure he took E177 to Wolverhampton and brought back an unbranded one E174 to BC
Quote from: cris 99 on February 01, 2024, 09:57:20 PMI'm pretty sure he took E177 to Wolverhampton and brought back an unbranded one E174 to BC
Thankyou, we got there in the end I only asked a simple question I didn't want to cause all this, I knew it wasent E177 I seen that's all I didn't mean anything bad.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 09:16:21 PMThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
@ Wba_lad - yes it is causing harm, because numerous members are getting fed up with your frequent bickering, the amount of posts you make per day, admins are getting regular complaints & now you're suggesting Tony's not telling the truth (this won't do you any favours...)
Fyi - Tony doesn't have to tell you anything at all.
Quote from: winston on February 01, 2024, 10:33:43 PM@ Wba_lad - yes it is causing harm, because numerous members are getting fed up with your frequent bickering, the amount of posts you make per day, admins are getting regular complaints & now you're suggesting Tony's not telling the truth (this won't do you any favours...)
Fyi - Tony doesn't have to tell you anything at all.
I didn't mean to cause any harm, I asked a simple question and it's frustrating when I know what I saw and I'm being called a liar. I'll try and stop bickering, i thought i was allowed to post as much as i wanted as long as it's in the correct thread is this not correct?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 10:44:04 PMI didn't mean to cause any harm, I asked a simple question and it's frustrating when I know what I saw and I'm being called a liar. I'll try and stop bickering, i thought i was allowed to post as much as i wanted as long as it's in the correct thread is this not correct?
Why do you feel the need to know what every bus is doing, when, where & why? Its no ones business but NX's.
There's posting what you want & there's posting for the sake of it, waffling & posting things without checking your facts first.
I think you need to remind yourself of the forum rules.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
@Tony I'd like to apologise! I've just seen E167 again at Scott Arms today heading towards West Brom I think, or atleast it turned on to Newton Road. And yes, there is a lot of red on it so I stand corrected.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on February 02, 2024, 07:50:27 AM@Tony I'd like to apologise! I've just seen E167 again at Scott Arms today heading towards West Brom I think, or atleast it turned on to Newton Road. And yes, there is a lot of red on it so I stand corrected.
Thank you.
Yesterday the original query was a branded bus at Great Barr, then Motorway, the branded bus, and the only one I drove through Great Barr on the motorway was E177 (J6-J11). E174 which was obviously the second one seen was driven to Birmingham down Walsall Road, not the M6
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 08:35:29 AMThank you.
Yesterday the original query was a branded bus at Great Barr, then Motorway, the branded bus, and the only one I drove through Great Barr on the motorway was E177 (J6-J11). E174 which was obviously the second one seen was driven to Birmingham down Walsall Road, not the M6
I appologise for accusing you of lying, the way I worded it was not that you wasent driving it, I ment it was not the one I seen, hopefully you understand what I mean and didn't mean to annoy you yesterday, I was just getting irritated as the one I seen was unbranded. Again I apologise
Current Locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E176 |
| E167 | E174 | E168 | E169 | E178 |
| E170 | E181 | E171 | E177 | E199 |
| E189 | E173 | E179 | E201 |
| E191 | E175 | E180 | E204 |
| E196 | E185 | E182 | E209 |
| E198 | E188 | E183 | E210 |
| E205 | E200 | E184 | E216 |
| E206 | E202 | E186 | E217 |
| E213 | E203 | E187 | |
| | E212 | E190 | |
| | | E192 | |
| | | E193 | |
| | | E194 | |
| | | E195 | |
| | | E197 | |
| | | E207 | |
| | | E208 | |
| | | E211 | |
| | | E214 | |
| | | E215 | |
Is there any possibility that any of the ten Electrics which have been taxed will enter service before March?
I'm guessing that E174-E217 will be re-registered as 24 plates along with E218-E243, which judging by Flickr photos appear to be ready to be delivered.
And then there's E244-E333 to follow of course.
Quote from: cardew on February 14, 2024, 07:52:39 PMIs there any possibility that any of the ten Electrics which have been taxed will enter service before March?
I'm guessing that E174-E217 will be re-registered as 24 plates along with E218-E243, which judging by Flickr photos appear to be ready to be delivered.
And then there's E244-E333 to follow of course.
According to a post I saw elsewhere, which I can't find now, it was claimed that they wouldn't be used in service until March.
Vehicles would need to be taxed anyway, even if they're just shuffling to and from BC where I presume they're getting livery applied and equipment installed. As well as those being utilised for driver type-training.
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2024, 08:01:52 PMAccording to a post I saw elsewhere, which I can't find now, it was claimed that they wouldn't be used in service until March.
Vehicles would need to be taxed anyway, even if they're just shuffling to and from BC where I presume they're getting livery applied and equipment installed. As well as those being utilised for driver type-training.
Only E164-E173 are taxed, I have to move all the others around on Trade Plates
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2024, 08:24:13 PMOnly E164-E173 are taxed, I have to move all the others around on Trade Plates
Ah thanks, good to know that!
Why don't you put the 10 taxed ones into YW and move 10 of their diesel's out as a temporary measure to ease the DD shortage
Quote from: Mayfield on February 15, 2024, 09:01:00 AMWhy don't you put the 10 taxed ones into YW and move 10 of their diesel's out as a temporary measure to ease the DD shortage
And where are we going to charge them?
Why are they taxed if the 10 new electric buses can't be charged I know YW has charges for the ones on the 6 but not enough for the new ones
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2024, 10:05:20 AMAnd where are we going to charge them?
Yes exactly, it's amazing where some of these ideas come from, if it was as easy as that it would of been done long before now!
Quote from: Solo1 on February 15, 2024, 10:16:11 AMWhy are they taxed if the 10 new electric buses can't be charged I know YW has charges for the ones on the 6 but not enough for the new ones
If you haven't noticed, two are in use for driver training, that is why they are taxed, bit difficult without taxing them
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2024, 03:34:51 PMIf you haven't noticed, two are in use for driver training, that is why they are taxed, bit difficult without taxing them
I know 2 r for training but someone said 10 are taxed unless all are used for training
well,they might have taxed 10 for a few reasons, but if theres 2 garages that will be receiving them onto fleet, while the charging situation is sorted at least they will always have one charged enough to train the substantial amount of drivers across the 2 garages. The thing could be they are staggering the tax out so they are not all due the same time which could possibly help the purse.
Was on my driving lesson and seen a electric bus FXE I think last three letters of the reg was with Tony driving what one was this please?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 22, 2024, 12:01:40 PMWas on my driving lesson and seen a electric bus FXE I think last three letters of the reg was with Tony driving what one was this please?
There is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: winston on February 22, 2024, 12:06:52 PMThere is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Maybe it was FKE I can't remember I just know I seen one with Tony driving I was on my driving lesson.
Quote from: winston on February 22, 2024, 12:06:52 PMThere is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Yes, E209 I have just taken to BC to have the livery put on tomorrow
@Tony - couple of questions please..........
Are there any specification tweaks to the latest batch of electrics in either the electric motors/drivetrain or interiors, gleaned from the inaugral batches that are 4ish years old?
Have there been any efficiency gains on the X1 being a longer/interurban higher speed run compared to the stop/start of other routes?
Thanks, in advance!
Quote from: Wumpty on February 22, 2024, 05:08:19 PM@Tony - couple of questions please..........
Are there any specification tweaks to the latest batch of electrics in either the electric motors/drivetrain or interiors, gleaned from the inaugral batches that are 4ish years old?
Have there been any efficiency gains on the X1 being a longer/interurban higher speed run compared to the stop/start of other routes?
Thanks, in advance!
These are almost identical to E034-E163, a couple of very minor changes include the shape of the CCTV screens. What also seems strange is some of the current batch have red LED trim lights in the saloon, the same as the last batch, but others have green. I am not sure if that is deliberate or an error by A-D
Saw E191 on Moor Street yesterday I presume driven by Tony at 12:40
I am happy to stand corrected here however I spoke to a driver today who said that the 35 is due to go electric from April. I was slightly sceptical because the 35 hasn't had brand new buses in my lifetime at least and then now I've seen on the TfWM website that the 35 is having its timetable updated on 6th April so it might in fact be true...
Quote from: bususer28 on February 24, 2024, 09:35:21 PMI am happy to stand corrected here however I spoke to a driver today who said that the 35 is due to go electric from April. I was slightly sceptical because the 35 hasn't had brand new buses in my lifetime at least and then now I've seen on the TfWM website that the 35 is having its timetable updated on 6th April so it might in fact be true...
Won't be April
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2024, 10:02:13 PMWon't be April
A YW told me back in November that the routes going Electric are going to be 2, 3 and 18, I asked him about the 50 and he said that "the 50 was too intense to full time Electric".
I took all this with a pinch of salt, or maybe a bowl full !
I didn't know where to ask these questions but I thought here would be suitable. If it's not I do apologise. I've seen some photos of electrics at ADL I think it is. They are in two tone grey and have vaults fitted. Is this something ADL provide or do Nx have to send them the vaults. And do ADL paint them for companies? I'm hoping somone can help presumably
@Tony will.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 28, 2024, 06:48:10 PMI didn't know where to ask these questions but I thought here would be suitable. If it's not I do apologise. I've seen some photos of electrics at ADL I think it is. They are in two tone grey and have vaults fitted. Is this something ADL provide or do Nx have to send them the vaults. And do ADL paint them for companies? I'm hoping somone can help presumably @Tony will.
They're painted at ADL and the vaults are supplied by NX. They get refurbished after each use. Some of these will go back decades.
while walking around coventry earlier i decided to see what was parked in the depots and in cox street car park was E004, E017, E018 and Z4008.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Interesting wonder if there's a plan to cover cv if anything happens that requires the stoppage of use of them
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
What are trying to achieve with this ?
There have been other comments (most of them irrelevant about this subject and unsubstantiated) about electric buses on this forum, please think again and do some research before you post things like this.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
id imagine same as cars that a recall will be issued, and advice or instructions issued as to what action needs to done until they find a solution and can deal with the vehicles. If you read the article its linked to a fault that involved the hvac system, and its been requested that the hvac system is turned off when vehicles are not in use.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on March 03, 2024, 02:12:09 PMInteresting wonder if there's a plan to cover cv if anything happens that requires the stoppage of use of them
If you read the article, it says that the buses are safe to use, but the HVAC system should be turned off when the vehicle is not in use as a precaution, until a permanent solution can be applied.
It is typical of the Daily Mail though to 'over-egg' the seriousness of this. :undecided:
In short: a potential issue with the HVAC (heating, ventilation and air-conditioning) system has been identified which could cause a fire risk.
Nothing to do with the battery or electric drivetrain.
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2024, 02:46:15 PMIf you read the article, it says that the buses are safe to use, but the HVAC system should be turned off when the vehicle is not in use as a precaution, until a permanent solution can be applied.
It is typical of the Daily Mail though to 'over-egg' the seriousness of this. :undecided:
In short: a potential issue with the HVAC (heating, ventilation and air-conditioning) system has been identified which could cause a fire risk.
Nothing to do with the battery or electric drivetrain.
Lets hope there are no more of this.
https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.service.gov.uk/recall-type/vehicle/make/ALEXANDER%20DENNIS/model/BYD%20AD%20ENVIRO400/year/2024/recalls
I am certain all operators have actioned the tasks in the alert by now hopefully. I do recall a DVSA alert relating to emission traps retrofitted on older vehicles. Either way, the Daily Fail are at it again with their fearmongering clickbait titles.
E218 upwards will arrive with a mod already done, hence the gap in new deliveries. When I am driving E164-E217 around at the moment I just leave the HVAC off to save messing with them all the time.
The ones in service are turned of when they arrive in garage after service, and then turned on again before leaving the garage, It is just one switch under one of the opening traps on the rear of the vehicles.
The HVAC was blamed for the Putney garage fire on the E200 hence this decision until the permanent solution was found.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 03, 2024, 02:13:14 PMWhat are trying to achieve with this ?
There have been other comments (most of them irrelevant about this subject and unsubstantiated) about electric buses on this forum, please think again and do some research before you post things like this.
He's posting a link to press article about electric buses in a thread about electric buses on a forum to discuss buses. I doubt he's trying to achieve anything and don't see why he needs to do any research before posting? The purpose of a forum is for informative and hopefully lively debate, so regardless of what I think of the article and the quality of the source of it, I find it interesting to read and discuss. It's getting to the point where people are criticised for posting just about anything.
I guess this is why the electrics aren't running on the X1 overnight then...
(or at least one of the reasons)
Quote from: mesub on March 03, 2024, 07:08:52 PMI guess this is why the electrics aren't running on the X1 overnight then...
(or at least one of the reasons)
It might be, but then again I wouldn't have thought that vehicle was being left 'unattended' anywhere.
Quote from: Mike K on March 03, 2024, 05:15:41 PMHe's posting a link to press article about electric buses in a thread about electric buses on a forum to discuss buses. I doubt he's trying to achieve anything and don't see why he needs to do any research before posting? The purpose of a forum is for informative and hopefully lively debate, so regardless of what I think of the article and the quality of the source of it, I find it interesting to read and discuss. It's getting to the point where people are criticised for posting just about anything.
Thanks. That's all I was doing, pointing out an OTT newspaper article.
Isn't the issue mainly with other electric types? I haven't heard a single issue with the BYD E400EVs?
I'm not sure if this question has been asked before. How long should it take to charge a battery from flat to fully charged?
Quote from: Jay71 on March 04, 2024, 06:51:06 PMI'm not sure if this question has been asked before. How long should it take to charge a battery from flat to fully charged?
There is no fixed time, different chargers charge at different rates
might be a dumb question but do you know the quickest and slowest charge, or the quickest and slowest charge youve seen?
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2024, 07:15:00 PMThere is no fixed time, different chargers charge at different rates
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
According to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 12:37:31 PMAccording to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
Are any of the national express ones affected by this recall does anyone know?
Quote from: Wba_lad on March 10, 2024, 01:51:47 PMAre any of the national express ones affected by this recall does anyone know?
iirc tony said something about turning off the system when transporting some of the new electrics, dont know if that counts as an answer to your question though. if my memory serves he said like half of the new electrics are affected, pinch of salt though.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 12:37:31 PMAccording to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
in the meantime the fake story about 2000 buses needing a recall from an anti net-zero paper will have had countless views on facebook. Depressing.
Quote from: cardew on March 10, 2024, 08:09:20 PMin the meantime the fake story about 2000 buses needing a recall from an anti net-zero paper will have had countless views on facebook. Depressing.
As always with the Daily Mail one has to read very carefully. Right at the end of the article it states the number of vehicles recalled correctly - after having raised incorrectly the spectre of the entire national fleet of ADL/BYD buses being faulty. Of course, that doesn't match their desired narrative of slagging off environmental activities and talking up the continuing use of fossil fuels.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Saw the red flags as soon as I saw daily mail in the hyperlink
So YW are receiving electrics this year then?
'Around 105 Alexander Dennis Enviro200 and Enviro400 buses have been affected by a recall concerning low-voltage systems which form part of the heating and air-conditioning system. The recall notice issued by the DVSA states that 'the low voltage harness connector of the control module may experience fatigue if subjected to excessive mating cycles leading to a localised thermal incident'. Well, if I were subjected to excessive mating cycles I'd be fatigued... :azn:
There was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Just seen E199 outside moor street while on the 97 with Tony driving.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Iirc Tony mentioned that there was another demo due to visit but not sure where
Just seen E165 on snow hill Queensway.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Not with NX
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Currently at Hartshorne Pensnett.
@Tony have NX seen any gradual loss of battery hold in the first generation electrics (E001+) against the new generation?
We've got a small fleet of electric vehicles and have seen a 5% loss overall from 2021 to today on our 21 plates.
I'm led to believe that the new electrics at PB will not be route branded due to them going onto different routes on a working day.
Are we going to see route branding becoming a thing of the past ?
Speaking strictly as an enthusiast I can see it still being a thing, could bring back the circle above the door and then colour co ordinate the red stripe, so for example purple for the 8/X8 would look great. Depends which way NX want to go with it, on the other hand most bus users know what routes they use and tend to stick to the sake routes so is there a need for branding??
The way electric buses are scheduled means fewer buses are out all day on the same route. This is the reason for the lack of route branding in Coventry
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2024, 06:47:11 PMThe way electric buses are scheduled means fewer buses are out all day on the same route. This is the reason for the lack of route branding in Coventry
This is my point, I just think route branding's time has probably come and gone, if it was to continue I would suggest group branding eg
PB - Network Sutton - X3, X4, X5, X14 and 907
BC - Network Chelmsley - X12, X13, 14, 94, 95 and 97
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 18, 2024, 07:40:17 PMThis is my point, I just think route branding's time has probably come and gone, if it was to continue I would suggest group branding eg
Unless any of the grey repaints E400 and MMC receive new branding maybe, which will still be in service for several years at least.
Could we see a new version of the Soho Road branding on the E400s for instance once they are all in grey or branding on the BC ones.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 18, 2024, 05:12:23 PMI'm led to believe that the new electrics at PB will not be route branded due to them going onto different routes on a working day.
Are we going to see route branding becoming a thing of the past ?
Obviously high profile routes like the Sutton corridor,the 33 and selected others should have some branded in an ideal world.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 19, 2024, 03:24:33 PMObviously high profile routes like the Sutton corridor,the 33 and selected others should have some branded in an ideal world.
I agree, I think certain routes should be operated by branded vehicles but local routes such as the 3/4 in Wolverhampton perhaps not.
Current locations, more expected to arrive this week
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | | E177 |
| E170 | E196 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E179 |
| E203 | E175 | E197 | E192 | | E180 |
| E205 | E178 | E207 | E194 | | E181 |
| E217 | E185 | E210 | E199 | | E182 |
| E218 | E195 | E211 | E200 | | E183 |
| | E198 | E216 | E204 | | E186 |
| | E202 | | E213 | | E187 |
| | E208 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2024, 05:29:48 PMCurrent locations, more expected to arrive this week
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | | E177 |
| E170 | E196 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E179 |
| E203 | E175 | E197 | E192 | | E180 |
| E205 | E178 | E207 | E194 | | E181 |
| E217 | E185 | E210 | E199 | | E182 |
| E218 | E195 | E211 | E200 | | E183 |
| | E198 | E216 | E204 | | E186 |
| | E202 | | E213 | | E187 |
| | E208 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
Am I right in assuming that those highlighted in red have been liveried up, equipped, and ready for service?
I suppose the next question is the one everyone's dying to ask, any idea when these might start actually entering service?
I did see a comment elsewhere earlier this year that claimed we were looking at March for first entry into service, but I suspect it won't be until at least after Easter now.
Quote from: Stu on March 19, 2024, 07:20:04 PMAm I right in assuming that those highlighted in red have been liveried up, equipped, and ready for service?
I suppose the next question is the one everyone's dying to ask, any idea when these might start actually entering service?
I did see a comment elsewhere earlier this year that claimed we were looking at March for first entry into service, but I suspect it won't be until at least after Easter now.
Red is actually the ones with tracker fitted!
Current target date for PB is 27th May
Which service will see the electric buses on first when they come out & any update on the charges for YW
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 19, 2024, 03:32:41 PMI agree, I think certain routes should be operated by branded vehicles but local routes such as the 3/4 in Wolverhampton perhaps not.
If,at the time electric buses are allocated to Wolverhampton what they could do is have some branding bespoke for the City but not necessarily for any routes.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 20, 2024, 01:36:57 PMIf,at the time electric buses are allocated to Wolverhampton what they could do is have some branding bespoke for the City but not necessarily for any routes.
Whilst route branding works, I can't see any benefit from having generic Wolverhampton only branding.
Quote from: Gareth on March 20, 2024, 04:56:52 PMWhilst route branding works, I can't see any benefit from having generic Wolverhampton only branding.
They've had it on the fleetnames for the past few years!
Quote from: Westy on March 20, 2024, 09:04:30 PMThey've had it on the fleetnames for the past few years!
I didn't say they hadn't. My comment still stands.
I see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
QuoteI see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
Tony literally said it's being repaired at Walsall soon
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on March 25, 2024, 07:15:56 PMI see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
This has already been discussed in the Coventry garage thread, the bus is not being written-off and will have the front-end of the body rebuilt at Walsall by NX's in-house team.
Please use the forum search function!
sorry i only saw the video yesterday morning, and had no idea how old it was, i do apologize, and will now go away
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | E204 | E175 |
| E170 | E213 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E177 |
| E219 | E178 | E197 | E194 | | E179 |
| E220 | E195 | E205 | E196 | | E180 |
| E222 | E198 | E207 | E199 | | E181 |
| E223 | E218 | E208 | E200 | | E182 |
| E226 | E221 | E210 | E203 | | E183 |
| E230 | E224 | E211 | | | E185 |
| E231 | E225 | E216 | | | E186 |
| | E227 | | | | E187 |
| | | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | E217 |
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E213 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E176 | | E174 |
| E167 | E219 | E171 | E168 | E184 | E201 | | E175 |
| E170 | E220 | E178 | E172 | E189 | E204 | | E177 |
| E224 | E195 | E173 | E194 | | | E179 |
| E225 | E198 | E191 | E196 | | | E180 |
| E227 | E218 | E197 | E199 | | | E181 |
| E228 | E221 | E205 | E200 | | | E182 |
| E231 | E222 | E207 | E203 | | | E183 |
| E239 | E223 | E208 | | | | E185 |
| E240 | E226 | E210 | | | | E186 |
| | E230 | E211 | | | | E187 |
| | E235 | E216 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | | E217 |
I seen E235 arrive at Walsall today and E168 leave which is now at Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2024, 06:08:00 PMCurrent locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E213 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E176 | | E174 |
| E167 | E219 | E171 | E168 | E184 | E201 | | E175 |
| E170 | E220 | E178 | E172 | E189 | E204 | | E177 |
| E224 | E195 | E173 | E194 | | | E179 |
| E225 | E198 | E191 | E196 | | | E180 |
| E227 | E218 | E197 | E199 | | | E181 |
| E228 | E221 | E205 | E200 | | | E182 |
| E231 | E222 | E207 | E203 | | | E183 |
| E239 | E223 | E208 | | | | E185 |
| E240 | E226 | E210 | | | | E186 |
| | E230 | E211 | | | | E187 |
| | E235 | E216 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | | E217 |
Just a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on April 05, 2024, 01:25:25 PMJust a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
If Hydrogen Buses are also ordered and ran I assume the Prefexs maybe be kept to designate E for Electric and H for Hydrogen although it could be that maybe as they get more Electric buses and they become the most common only Hydrogen keeps its prefex
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 05, 2024, 02:22:49 PMIf Hydrogen Buses are also ordered and ran I assume the Prefexs maybe be kept to designate E for Electric and H for Hydrogen although it could be that maybe as they get more Electric buses and they become the most common only Hydrogen keeps its prefex
It used to be that the numbers can't be reused. If this is still the case, certainly the solos carried 2XX 3XX numbers? So maybe why they have the prefix as well?
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.msg250387#msg250387
Quote from: 2206 on April 05, 2024, 02:50:53 PMIt used to be that the numbers can't be reused. If this is still the case, certainly the solos carried 2XX 3XX numbers? So maybe why they have the prefix as well?
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.msg250387#msg250387
The prefix is for exactly that reason. The current engineering system doesn't allow for number reuse.
Also certain on board systems can't cope with letters, so all current fleet have to have different numbers excluding the letter, hence why the Hydrogens start at H1001, not H001
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on April 05, 2024, 01:25:25 PMJust a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
'Pedant alert' - only the D was deleted and diesels affected from late 1968 after steam was removed - E remained otherwise there would have been overlaps in the 3001-3200 series and 5000 series. Of course, they all disappeared when the whole fleet was renumbered based on class types.
Apparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
No there isn't.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
You spelled 'year' wrong.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
may 27th is mentioned in an earlier post
Quote from: 2900 on April 14, 2024, 10:42:55 AMmay 27th is mentioned in an earlier post
Still the target date for the first few
UID Electric travelling from WN towards M54 this morning driven by a devilishly handsome bloke!
Quote from: Wumpty on April 19, 2024, 03:33:15 PMUID Electric travelling from WN towards M54 this morning driven by a devilishly handsome bloke!
E236 now at Aston
Sorry if this has been asked previously but regarding any future new vehicle orders are NXWM likely to go for ADL's 2nd generation electric buses or will they stick with the ADL/BYD model?
Quote from: RW on April 24, 2024, 03:51:21 PMSorry if this has been asked previously but regarding any future new vehicle orders are NXWM likely to go for ADL's 2nd generation electric buses or will they stick with the ADL/BYD model?
The current NX and London General build are the last DD BYDs Alexander Dennis are going to body
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 03:53:30 PMThe current NX and London General build are the last DD BYDs Alexander Dennis are going to body
When you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
That's good to hear. The interior on the BYDs are very awkward, 39 seats upstairs for a 10.8m bus is a bit lack luster too.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 04:46:31 PMWhen you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
The current batch being delivered numbers 30.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 04:46:31 PMWhen you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
Up to fleet number E333
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 05:17:39 PMUp to fleet number E333
Thanks Tony. From your "Up to..." post I think we can assume what the answer to my question is.
Quote from: RW on April 24, 2024, 06:31:04 PMThanks Tony. From your "Up to..." post I think we can assume what the answer to my question is.
I put it that way because the current order is split into 4 different orders, so as Winston put the current batch is 30, but the total order of the final build goes up to E333, 170 vehicles E164-E333
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 05:17:39 PMUp to fleet number E333
Thanks - 170 in total then - it will be interesting to see what future orders will comprise - electric single deckers will presumably be needed for CV in 2025? Also to see which body builders might be providing single and double deck bodies on BYD chassis in the future.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 06:57:47 PMThanks - 170 in total then - it will be interesting to see what future orders will comprise - electric single deckers will presumably be needed for CV in 2025? Also to see which body builders might be providing single and double deck bodies on BYD chassis in the future.
The next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Have you had the chance of driving another electric bus asides from the BYD ones and the electroliner? If so, what is your favourite electric bus so far?
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 24, 2024, 07:32:09 PMHave you had the chance of driving another electric bus asides from the BYD ones and the electroliner? If so, what is your favourite electric bus so far?
I've driven the Merc & Yutong singles as well.
The Electroliner is my favourite so far, but all four are really nice for the driver so very little in it.
Thanks for the reply. I've been seeing that the Electroliner is making waves across the UK, especially London. I really do hope that NX order big for this bus, it also seems to be good from a passenger perspective.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Thanks for the reply. When all these vehicles are in service, there will be a very large number of vehicles to be taken out of service.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
A cynic might suggest the announcement will be timed so it can be made by a victorious mayor.
I'm starting to bite my fingernails with excitement - will we get to 100 new vehicles awaiting entry into service? Should do. Is this some sort of a record? :cheesy:
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Tease
QuoteThanks for the reply. I've been seeing that the Electroliner is making waves across the UK, especially London. I really do hope that NX order big for this bus, it also seems to be good from a passenger perspective
I realised first have alot of trust in this bus
Quote from: Stevo on April 25, 2024, 09:06:19 AMI'm starting to bite my fingernails with excitement - will we get to 100 new vehicles awaiting entry into service? Should do. Is this some sort of a record? :cheesy:
Quite possible, yes, they are being delivered at around 5 a week, and we have another 4 weeks before the first batch go into use
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2024, 12:17:03 PMQuite possible, yes, they are being delivered at around 5 a week, and we have another 4 weeks before the first batch go into use
Will it beat the SDA --- S/TVP ---S batches of fleetlines and nationals which added up to more than 220 buses in one registration year, not forgetting the 4 prototype metrobuses of course
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 25, 2024, 02:06:26 PMWill it beat the SDA --- S/TVP ---S batches of fleetlines and nationals which added up to more than 220 buses in one registration year, not forgetting the 4 prototype metrobuses of course
I doubt it - that was 279 buses in one reg year - 6501-70; 6611-60; 6691-720; 6745-60; 6831-4; 6836-6905. IIRC this was caused by more than one factor - a) Met Camm being given 70 of Park Royal's order for Fleetlines because Park Royal was so slow (took reg P to T to deliver 120 vehicles) - b) WMPTE building up a surplus of vehicles so they could provide the shuttle bus contract from car parks to the NEC during the Motor Show. A massive amount of withdrawals look place the next year.
I'm guessing the full batch of 170 new electrics will replace many of the double deck fleet to 6718 (and all the non Euro 6 buses) and many of the Scanias also.
There will probably still be some 2009/10 Scanias lingering around after this batch of electrics. Hopefully NX don't eat into the 2007 Enviro 400s with this batch, they are still doing very well.
The first 40 expected to enter service at Perry Barr are E164-73/6/8/84/9/91/4-201/3-5/7/8/10/1/5/8-24/6/7.
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2024, 06:51:45 PMThe first 40 expected to enter service at Perry Barr are E164-73/6/8/84/9/91/4-201/3-5/7/8/10/1/5/8-24/6/7.
So when are the Enviros getting debranded?
Quote from: busboy31 on April 25, 2024, 07:38:23 PMSo when are the Enviros getting debranded?
When they move on.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 25, 2024, 05:45:51 PMThere will probably still be some 2009/10 Scanias lingering around after this batch of electrics. Hopefully NX don't eat into the 2007 Enviro 400s with this batch, they are still doing very well.
Well assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 26, 2024, 10:34:05 AMWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
YW is going fully electric with the double deck fleet
QuoteWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Or wait until til June when cascades happen? There probably a plan being planned out as the electrics drop into place.
Quote from: filbus1 on April 26, 2024, 12:30:55 PMYW is going fully electric with the double deck fleet
I don't think there's enough buses on order to fully upgrade YW's double-decks as well as PB's. Not this year anyway.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on April 26, 2024, 01:40:53 PMOr wait until til June when cascades happen? There probably a plan being planned out as the electrics drop into place.
Yes, from June onwards will be interesting times for sure. And I'm sure there is already a plan that Tony has in place, though obviously he won't be able to divulge details here.
Personally, I would expect the Scania OmniCities to be scrapped or sold on, as there would be little point in moving them on to another garage and having to type-train drivers and engineers.
The Platinum E400s will likely be used to replace older non-Euro6 vehicles at West Brom and Acocks Green, and then of course the other E400s will find homes elsewhere, just not at AG.
QuoteWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 (tel:4506-4523/25) I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Pretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
Quote from: BBS on April 26, 2024, 09:05:20 PMPretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
Be interesting to see how E200MMC's would fit round some of Walsall's routes! I think the Urban 2's still at Coventry will be placed at a few garages to see off Omnilinks.
Quote from: BBS on April 26, 2024, 09:05:20 PMPretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
I said E200MMC at WB B7RLE's at WA as they already operate them and maybe some E200's from Coventry to both. WB operate the E200MMC already so I was keeping them together
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 27, 2024, 10:06:52 AMI said E200MMC at WB B7RLE's at WA as they already operate them and maybe some E200's from Coventry to both. WB operate the E200MMC already so I was keeping them together
Pretty pointless trying to guess, it's my job and I don't know yet
re: E200MMC, is it still the case that they can't be used on the YW27? They were briefly used but but clearly had an issue and possibly one of the reasons they were transferred to WB. The route has been curtailed since then so maybe things have changed?. As has been mentioned before, it will be tricky to find a single deck electric bus to fit under Bournville Lane bridge
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2024, 11:51:30 AMPretty pointless trying to guess, it's my job and I don't know yet
Depends if you want to introduce a completly new type to a garage or not surely, then you have the issue of driver training/familiarisation as well?
What services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on
Here's a clue, all of Perry Barr's diesel double-decks are being replaced. :laugh:
The route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
Absolutely correct. Kev's run short length E200s down Mary Vale and I have seen the very occasional double decker use it in the past (can't recall which operator this was). The junction with Pershore Road is very tight, probably too tight for a full length single decker to manage and I have seen the 27 take a lengthy diversion via Cotteridge when there are road works along Bournville Lane. A bit of a dilemma.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:45:20 PMI've driven the Merc & Yutong singles as well.
The Electroliner is my favourite so far, but all four are really nice for the driver so very little in it.
Could national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
QuoteCould national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
Why ask if you know that's something he can't give out?
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
I have mentioned this before earlier in this thread about how eventually the 27 will have to be rerouted, as any electric single-deck will not be able to fit under that bridge.
However no OmniLinks have been replaced yet.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 27, 2024, 07:15:40 PMCould national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
Potentially, yes. Highly unlikely, maybe.
Either way you won't get a straight answer out of Tony when he is unable to do so.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
It's not 'only 40' coming out, it's just the first 40.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
62-40=12?
Just out If interest how long does it take to fully charge an electric and does it last a full day or do the buses have to pop off service for a refill, ans could we see top up facilities at terminus's, I remember when Decorcey had a fleet of electric Versas for the P&R and there were charging facilities at Memorial park.
Sorry22 diesel deckers at Perry Barr after the first 40 electric buses enter service
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:30:00 PMSorry22 diesel deckers at Perry Barr after the first 40 electric buses enter service
Except the first 40 are unlikely to replace all double decks.
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2024, 04:38:32 PMExcept the first 40 are unlikely to replace all double decks.
I was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:01 PMI was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
Why do people have to know everything in advance, why can't people just wait until they enter service.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:01 PMI was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
And I have posted in various places - all of them!
Quote from: danny on April 28, 2024, 04:13:49 PMJust out If interest how long does it take to fully charge an electric and does it last a full day or do the buses have to pop off service for a refill, ans could we see top up facilities at terminus's, I remember when Decorcey had a fleet of electric Versas for the P&R and there were charging facilities at Memorial park.
While I don't know how long they take to charge, I do know they have a split in the boards that run over 15(?) hours, so E223 for example will be in service for the first half and it will be replaced at some point in the day by another vehicle.
Quote from: Danthebusman on April 28, 2024, 05:55:46 PMWhile I don't know how long they take to charge, I do know they have a split in the boards that run over 15(?) hours, so E223 for example will be in service for the first half and it will be replaced at some point in the day by another vehicle.
No that's not how it works. The running boards are changed to match the type of vehicles
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2024, 05:28:26 PMAnd I have posted in various places - all of them
I've seen what buses have arrived but I was asking what routes that's uses deckers will the new buses be on to start with as don't recall seeing that
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 06:09:10 PMI've seen what buses have arrived but I was asking what routes that's uses deckers will the new buses be on to start with as don't recall seeing that
I've just posted the answer again -
all of them. How many more times
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
I think there are limited options to re-route the 27. Mary Vale Rd is definitely too narrow between Pershore Rd and the bridge over the railway line/canal (Kev's 55 struggles to get through at times) and a previous proposal back in 2009 to use Umberslade/Raddlebarn/Sycamore Rd met with protests from residents so was never pursued (the area round by Bournville green is far busier now than it was back then anyway).
Quote from: SO6597 on April 29, 2024, 08:48:02 PMI think there are limited options to re-route the 27. Mary Vale Rd is definitely too narrow between Pershore Rd and the bridge over the railway line/canal (Kev's 55 struggles to get through at times) and a previous proposal back in 2009 to use Umberslade/Raddlebarn/Sycamore Rd met with protests from residents so was never pursued (the area round by Bournville green is far busier now than it was back then anyway).
Agreed. That turn from Umberslade Road into Raddlebarn Road (and vice versa) would also be a real challenge these days in a full-sized single deck with parking as it is. Re-routing the 27 away from the Bournville Lane bridge would also mean it missing out on key stops such as Bournville Station / the Cadburys Bournville works stops.
E014 and E016, both in the 50.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 02, 2024, 04:39:35 PME014 and E016, both in the 50.
They (E400EVs, not just those particular two) often appear on most YW routes now (with the obvious exception of the 27 of course).
E244 seen in town dropping a few staff off.
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 07, 2024, 05:00:58 PME244 seen in town dropping a few staff off.
Probably on staff familiarisation and type training too.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 07, 2024, 06:19:46 PMProbably on staff familiarisation and type training too.
No, just me taking it to Walsall giving some drivers a lift to relief point on the way
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2024, 06:36:55 PMNo, just me taking it to Walsall giving some drivers a lift to relief point on the way
Ah i see. I appologise.
There will be even more electric bus movements from tomorrow to watch out for. Perry Barr are starting the 5 weekly inspections on them doing 3 a day ready to enter service at the end of the month, but because there's not enough room for more than 5 electrics at PB until they enter service these 3 a day are going to be coming and going between there and the current parking spots.
E225 is now at Perry Barr to be the first one inspected tomorrow and when that one gets swapped mid morning it will be the first one carrying a '24' plate.
Current locations are:-
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E231 | E166 | E164 | E229 | E196 | E176 | E174 |
| E167 | E232 | E171 | E168 | E236 | E198 | E191 | E175 |
| E170 | E245 | E218 | E169 | E237 | E199 | E219 | E177 |
| E225 | E246 | E220 | E172 | E238 | E200 | E223 | E179 |
| E248 | E221 | E173 | E239 | E201 | E224 | E180 |
| E253 | E222 | E178 | E240 | E203 | E226 | E181 |
| E256 | E235 | E184 | E241 | E204 | E227 | E182 |
| E258 | E244 | E189 | E243 | E213 | E230 | E183 |
| E260 | E247 | E194 | | | | E185 |
| E261 | E249 | E195 | | | | E186 |
| E262 | E250 | E197 | | | | E187 |
| | E254 | E205 | | | | E188 |
| | E257 | E207 | | | | E190 |
| | | E208 | | | | E192 |
| | | E210 | | | | E193 |
| | | E211 | | | | E202 |
| | | E216 | | | | E206 |
| | | E228 | | | | E209 |
| | | E242 | | | | E212 |
| | | E251 | | | | E214 |
| | | E252 | | | | E215 |
| | | E255 | | | | E217 |
| | | E256 | | | | |
What routes will they be on please.
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 09:47:08 PMWhat routes will they be on please.
every route at PB that is double deck
Quote from: EK40 on May 08, 2024, 09:54:26 PMevery route at PB that is double deck
See answer 647 along with several others
Quote from: EK40 on May 08, 2024, 09:54:26 PMevery route at PB that is double deck
Hearing 8s too...
Does that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 11:05:35 PMDoes that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
They can't run on the 28 because of the 14' 0" bridge in Erdington I think.
It's looking likely from early June the new electrics will be scheduled on to all of the following routes, obviously not all buses on each route:
7, 16, 33, 52, 65, 67, 101, 907, X3, X4, X5 & X14
What about the 8a and 8c
Quote from: 0.5% on May 09, 2024, 09:21:07 PMWhat about the 8a and 8c
No, the first 42 are going on the routes listed
Why is everyone so obsessed with the 8 being double deckers lately?
Sorry it's off topic.
Quote from: Jack on May 09, 2024, 10:49:27 PMWhy is everyone so obsessed with the 8 being double deckers lately?
Sorry it's off topic.
I would guess if the 8 does go double deck it won't be until all duble decks are electric at PB. As someone said the scanias are going to be the last diesel deckers at PB and they can't go under the bridge.
First 24 registrations at last!
Quote from: Stevo on May 10, 2024, 08:26:50 AMFirst 24 registrations at last!
42 are so far registered, 10 with 73 plates and 32 with 24 plates
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 11:05:35 PMDoes that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
There is a low bridge on the 28 so can't go on there
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2024, 08:55:19 AM42 are so far registered, 10 with 73 plates and 32 with 24 plates
Enough to replace all the non Euro 6 vehicles?
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 05:48:55 PMEnough to replace all the non Euro 6 vehicles?
Yes, but won't happen
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2024, 06:01:35 PMYes, but won't happen
Yes I was thinking there may be some spares kept whilst the electrics 'bed in' and in any case you might cover any elderly Euro 6 double deckers or Scania (single deck) which might fall by the wayside with major and costly faults, like 4600 did recently.
I shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 06:44:31 PMYes I was thinking there may be some spares kept whilst the electrics 'bed in' and in any case you might cover any elderly Euro 6 double deckers or Scania (single deck) which might fall by the wayside with major and costly faults, like 4600 did recently.
I shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
i bet the non euro 6 ones, and when their time is due any good euro 6 converted geminis and tridents may follow some of the already sold on ones.
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 06:44:31 PMI shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
There aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Quote from: Stu on May 11, 2024, 10:06:27 AMThere aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Yeah sorry, I meant the Omnicities.
I agree re the Platinums. However I also wonder if they won't go straight to electrics in the next couple of years - just have to be patient and wait and see!
I wouldn't be surprised if AG gets some platinums to make the 4/A double decker moving some of the e200mmc to West Bromwich. But that's all speculation.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 11, 2024, 04:58:49 PMI wouldn't be surprised if AG gets some platinums to make the 4/A double decker moving some of the e200mmc to West Bromwich. But that's all speculation.
The priority at AG is going to be getting rid of the older non-Euro6 Geminis, before they even think about moving out their E200s.
@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
Quote from: Stu on May 12, 2024, 09:53:16 AM@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
Some (actually a lot) of the comments were unsubstantiated rubbish, these new Electric buses are the future, they are comfortable, quite and fairly quick. When the Platinums arrived they were the most impressive buses since the Timesaver metrobuses from 1986. For me the new Electrics are even better. The only problem with them is their seating capacity is a bit low at 65 which is 8 less than a Platinum and 12 less than an Enviro, the main daytime will be fine, but peaks may struggle, buses going towards Perry Barr are carrying more than a year ago. I hoping than come September there will be peak frequency increases on the 33 and 907. If passenger numbers are increasing the last thing we need is them been put off by packed buses especially with Parker on the prowl.
Quote from: Stu on May 12, 2024, 09:53:16 AM@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
It's so common on Facebook to see all of these low functioning doom and gloom people commenting nonsense about electric buses blowing up. They are everywhere and have nothing better to do. Your article was amazing, don't let them hinder your work.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 12, 2024, 10:12:07 AMSome (actually a lot) of the comments were unsubstantiated rubbish, these new Electric buses are the future, they are comfortable, quite and fairly quick. When the Platinums arrived they were the most impressive buses since the Timesaver metrobuses from 1986. For me the new Electrics are even better. The only problem with them is their seating capacity is a bit low at 65 which is 8 less than a Platinum and 12 less than an Enviro, the main daytime will be fine, but peaks may struggle, buses going towards Perry Barr are carrying more than a year ago. I hoping than come September there will be peak frequency increases on the 33 and 907. If passenger numbers are increasing the last thing we need is them been put off by packed buses especially with Parker on the prowl.
The Platinums are probably some of the most uninspiring buses ever conceived.
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts | ADL |
| E165 | E245 | E166 | E168 | E229 | E164 | E176 | E174 | E231 |
| E167 | E248 | E171 | E172 | E236 | E198 | E196 | E175 | |
| E169 | E251 | E218 | E173 | E242 | E200 | E219 | E177 | |
| E170 | E253 | E220 | E178 | E238 | E201 | E223 | E179 | |
| E191 | E257 | E221 | E184 | E239 | E203 | E224 | E180 | |
| E199 | E258 | E222 | E189 | E240 | E204 | E226 | E181 | |
| E230 | E261 | E244 | E194 | E241 | E213 | E227 | E182 | |
| E262 | E246 | E195 | E243 | E225 | E232 | E183 | |
| | E247 | E197 | | | E260 | E185 | |
| | E249 | E205 | | | | E186 | |
| | E250 | E207 | | | | E187 | |
| | E254 | E208 | | | | E188 | |
| | E256 | E210 | | | | E190 | |
| | | E211 | | | | E192 | |
| | | E216 | | | | E193 | |
| | | E228 | | | | E202 | |
| | | E235 | | | | E206 | |
| | | E237 | | | | E209 | |
| | | E252 | | | | E212 | |
| | | E255 | | | | E214 | |
| | | | | | | E215 | |
| | | | | | | E217 | |
Quote from: Straightlines on May 12, 2024, 05:21:41 PMThe Platinums are probably some of the most uninspiring buses ever conceived.
Platinums were an upgrade over existing vehicles, boasting many new comfort features to attract new passengers. This has allowed the platinum spec to become standard for National Express fleet. What makes you think they are uninsipring?
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 12, 2024, 05:02:52 PMIt's so common on Facebook to see all of these low functioning doom and gloom people commenting nonsense about electric buses blowing up. They are everywhere and have nothing better to do. Your article was amazing, don't let them hinder your work.
Thanks, I don't do this for kudos or recognition, just to try and inform bus users about what is going on. I wouldn't say that article was 'amazing' though, just concise and to the point.
The Facebook post has definitely attracted the Daily Mail-reading anti-electric bus mob now though. What also disappoints me is how many people are commenting who clearly haven't read the article I wrote.
Here's some stats which are correct at the time of posting this.
The website article currently shows 491 views.
According to Facebook, that particular post has 22k impressions/reach, and 1.6k 'engagement'. While the link to the article only has 378 clicks.
So far only one person has actually commented on the website.
Quote from: Stu on May 11, 2024, 10:06:27 AMThere aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Maybe the drivers could adapt to using older e400s? They're kinda similar to e400mmcs
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 12, 2024, 05:38:26 PMPlatinums were an upgrade over existing vehicles, boasting many new comfort features to attract new passengers. This has allowed the platinum spec to become standard for National Express fleet. What makes you think they are uninsipring?
Because Straightlines has never has anything positive to say towards NX, constantly negative no matter what they do / don't do.
The Platinum's were high spec when first introduced back in 2015, and offered something different, the Platinum spec has since become standard.
I'm not keen on the latest standard livery I.e single grey, but that's been done to death.....
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 13, 2024, 11:42:21 AMMaybe the drivers could adapt to using older e400s? They're kinda similar to e400mmcs
They aren't, the three types NX use are all different cabs to each other. So would require more type training.
I've just seen an abellio London single dicker bus looks like a wrightbus vehicle (maybe a GB kite??) around AG, What's it doing around there nearly 100 miles away?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 13, 2024, 02:50:30 PMI've just seen an abellio London single dicker bus looks like a wrightbus vehicle (maybe a GB kite??) around AG, What's it doing around there nearly 100 miles away?
On delivery, they all call in Graysons at Tyseley
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 10, 2024, 05:12:00 PMThere is a low bridge on the 28 so can't go on there
ok , thank you
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 13, 2024, 02:50:30 PMI've just seen an abellio London single dicker bus looks like a wrightbus vehicle (maybe a GB kite??) around AG, What's it doing around there nearly 100 miles away?
Saw a London DD up by the Swan in Yardley last Wednesday.
Six more electrics have been registered, E251; E252; E253; E255; E256 & E257
details here E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
These are planned to see first use on the Bristol to Glastonbury shuttles next month
Quote from: Tony on May 18, 2024, 06:05:27 PMSix more electrics have been registered, E251; E252; E253; E255; E256 & E257
details here E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
These are planned to see first use on the Bristol to Glastonbury shuttles next month
Wasn't it the Zenobe, Z400* buses that was used up Glastonbury last year.
For clarification, I had mentioned the new electric buses entering service from 29th May. The chargers are planned to be switched on Wednesday 29th May and 14 will hopefully then be available to use on Thursday 30th
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
I'm predicting Electroliners for 4/4A. Then remaining single deckers get given to 8A/8C to replace Omnilinks (unless that get DD's) or 72 (if 72 can handle single deckers - to get rid of the B7TLS)
Quote from: LD713821 on May 23, 2024, 03:26:10 PMI'm predicting Electroliners for 4/4A. Then remaining single deckers get given to 8A/8C to replace Omnilinks (unless that get DD's) or 72 (if 72 can handle single deckers - to get rid of the B7TLS)
I don't think so, those E200MMC's are fine to stay where they are. They wouldn't be able to do the 8 with a lot of tight streets and turns, same goes for the rest of PB's Scania services. Again whys there an obsession with the 8 going Decker?
The 4/4A work fine with the single deckers. The 72 needs Deckers, but copes fine with full SD operation when it's the school holidays.
I can see PB getting the remaining B7's at Coventry to see off the last of their Omnilinks when their times up.
Quote from: Jack on May 23, 2024, 04:09:34 PMI don't think so, those E200MMC's are fine to stay where they are. They wouldn't be able to do the 8 with a lot of tight streets and turns, same goes for the rest of PB's Scania services. Again whys there an obsession with the 8 going Decker?
The 4/4A work fine with the single deckers. The 72 needs Deckers, but copes fine with full SD operation when it's the school holidays.
I can see PB getting the remaining B7's at Coventry to see off the last of their Omnilinks when their times up.
I disagree regarding the 4/4A, the E200 MMCs barely cope especially during rush hour. Just like the 2/3, it seems that they can just about use single deckers, but will significantly improve with double deckers.
The first thing that the 8A/C needs is an improvement to its reliability, it gets caught in traffic in almost every area, leading to it commonly bunching up.
Imo, any route that can support double deckers should be double deckers (situation permitting ofc).
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 23, 2024, 04:33:13 PMI disagree regarding the 4/4A, the E200 MMCs barely cope especially during rush hour. Just like the 2/3, it seems that they can just about use single deckers, but will significantly improve with double deckers.
The first thing that the 8A/C needs is an improvement to its reliability, it gets caught in traffic in almost every area, leading to it commonly bunching up.
Imo, any route that can support double deckers should be double deckers (situation permitting ofc).
I've noticed the 4/4A struggle when buses are late and gaps appear in service. The 4/4A also regularly get Deckers to help too.
I myself have caught the 4/4A in rush hour and bagged a seat.
By that logic 'any route that can have Deckers should have them' are you really suggesting to waste Deckers on routes that don't need them and can cope with Single Deckers? I.e the WB 40 and WA 36 for example? The Deckers should be on routes where they are actually required on...
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 23, 2024, 04:33:13 PMI disagree regarding the 4/4A, the E200 MMCs barely cope especially during rush hour. Just like the 2/3, it seems that they can just about use single deckers, but will significantly improve with double deckers.
Quote from: Jack on May 23, 2024, 06:58:34 PMI've noticed the 4/4A struggle when buses are late and gaps appear in service. The 4/4A also regularly get Deckers to help too.
Whilst waiting for a 2/3 in Sparkbrook, I do often see very full single decks on the 4/4A, but a lot of the time, by that point there are more people getting off than getting on.
I've been in Birmingham city centre myself at the weekend over the last couple of weeks and I've seen first-hand what happens.
With the changes due to the Moor Street Queensway metro works, all the Stratford Road services are now using the same stop, so it is simply the case that anyone just going to Sparkbrook will just 'pile on' to the first bus that arrives.
I think it was the other weekend, I was waiting for a 2 or 3, and I watched a 4 pull up, and a huge crowd of people all tried to get on board this single deck. While this bus was loading, a 6 and then a 5 - both double-deck - pulled up behind. While some people were sensible enough to move down the pavement and load themselves onto these vehicles, it seemed that most were still determined to get on this single-deck. The 5 and 6 actually both loaded and departed ahead of the 4.
Quote from: Jack on May 23, 2024, 06:58:34 PMI myself have caught the 4/4A in rush hour and bagged a seat.
You must be like me - you just know there will be seats available towards the rear, even if there is a crowd of people standing at the front in the gangway!
It would be cool to see something other than a Enviro or a b7xx on the 4/4A
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 23, 2024, 09:54:11 PMIt would be cool to see something other than a Enviro or a b7xx on the 4/4A
There's Geminis & E400MMCs on there regularly
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2024, 10:03:13 PMThere's Geminis & E400MMCs on there regularly
Excluding those buses
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 24, 2024, 05:54:41 AMExcluding those buses
i mean its got different 4 types on it regularly, more than basically 99% of routes in the midlands
I feel like most of the time it is an e200 mmc tho, which makes sense obviously but maybe an older e400 would've been nice. I know it's obviously not possible but it would be cool
QuoteI'm predicting Electroliners for 4/4A. Then remaining single deckers get given to 8A/8C to replace Omnilinks (unless that get DD's) or 72 (if 72 can handle single deckers - to get rid of the B7TLS)
The next 130 are for the black country, swear I have seen a comment on Facebook
Those E200MMCs should stay at AG, but for routes like the 73 17 not the 4/4A
AG's main priority is removing the non Euro 6 Geminis at the moment, not moving E200MMC's to garages they aren't required at.
Quote from: Jack on May 24, 2024, 02:20:29 PMAG's main priority is removing the non Euro 6 Geminis at the moment, not moving E200MMC's to garages they aren't required at.
Moving them to Walsall maybe?
They've had Geminis in the past, plus one has been on loan this week.
Quote from: Westy on May 24, 2024, 02:32:07 PMMoving them to Walsall maybe?
They've had Geminis in the past, plus one has been on loan this week.
Not moving any non-euro 6 gemini anywhere, they need to come out of service as quick as possible
Are all the none euro 6s the BJO3s??
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 25, 2024, 06:17:56 AMAre all the none euro 6s the BJO3s??
No, most of the 03 are euro 6
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 25, 2024, 06:17:56 AMAre all the none euro 6s the BJO3s??
More the BX54's ex 11A/11C Branded the BJ03's are Euro 6 the 45xx 53 plates if they have any apart from 4523 aren't Euro 6 either
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 25, 2024, 12:29:33 PMMore the BX54's ex 11A/11C Branded the BJ03's are Euro 6 the 45xx 53 plates if they have any apart from 4523 aren't Euro 6 either
There's 3 BJ03 left that aren't Euro 6.
The 54 plate Geminis at AG are in a similar state to the 97 branded Tridents, completely past their sell by date and very tired!
Quote from: Jack on May 25, 2024, 09:04:39 PMThere's 3 BJ03 left that aren't Euro 6.
More than 3?
4475, 4498, 4499, 4500, 4503
Clearly Volvo know how to make an engine if these 21 year old buses are still going
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 25, 2024, 10:54:31 PMClearly Volvo know how to make an engine if these 21 year old buses are still going
It's highly unlikely that after 21 years they're still on their original engines....
Quote from: winston on May 25, 2024, 10:56:10 PMIt's highly unlikely that after 21 years they're still on their original engines....
Didn't 4301 do a full 21 years of service using its original engine?
Quote from: winston on May 25, 2024, 10:56:10 PMIt's highly unlikely that after 21 years they're still on their original engines....
most could well be the only time i,ve seen engine swaps in garage is due to failure, modern buses designed to do 1,000.000 kilometers without need for major mechanical refurbs, modern build methods, better oils,lubes more advanced than in years gone by, Tony or a bus engineer would know
Quote from: 2900 on May 26, 2024, 11:05:27 AMmost could well be the only time i,ve seen engine swaps in garage is due to failure, modern buses designed to do 1,000.000 kilometers without need for major mechanical refurbs, modern build methods, better oils,lubes more advanced than in years gone by, Tony or a bus engineer would know
Volvo B7 engines generally tended to last around 13 years, very few survive without a major rebuild or swap. Cummins tend to average around 9 years, Platinums are starting to get rebuilt engines put in now. 6799 has been off the road since January having its engine rebuilt at Miller Street, should be back very soon
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2024, 11:12:23 AMVolvo B7 engines generally tended to last around 13 years, very few survive without a major rebuild or swap. Cummins tend to average around 9 years, Platinums are starting to get rebuilt engines put in now. 6799 has been off the road since January having its engine rebuilt at Miller Street, should be back very soon
13 years quite impressive considering they are running for 12/16 hours a day
Now Monday for the Perry Barr electrics
QuoteNow Monday for the Perry Barr electrics
Will there be the 14 that were supposed to come out or will more be out?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 29, 2024, 02:41:17 PMWill there be the 14 that were supposed to come out or will more be out?
Probably best to just wait. Obviously something didn't go to plan today, so if the plan has had to change it may be different on Monday.
Quote from: Gareth on May 29, 2024, 05:01:24 PMProbably best to just wait. Obviously something didn't go to plan today, so if the plan has had to change it may be different on Monday.
Weather this week has delayed the final fitting of the first batch of chargers. Another update from the company due on Friday
45 new electric buses coming on the weekend, 30 diesel buses leaving, they are gonna have extra 15 buses, wonder where they will fit them🤔🤣
Quote from: Nxwm on May 29, 2024, 08:23:48 PM45 new electric buses coming on the weekend, 30 diesel buses leaving, they are gonna have extra 15 buses, wonder where they will fit them🤔🤣
This weekend it's hopefully 14 in, 14 out, and the same the following two weekends. Total 42, not 45, and 42 leaving
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2024, 05:41:12 PMWeather this week has delayed the final fitting of the first batch of chargers. Another update from the company due on Friday
Well if the weather reports are correct for the summer and the 'fifty days of rain', they'd better start looking for more parking space for new deliveries.
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2024, 08:51:30 PMThis weekend it's hopefully 14 in, 14 out, and the same the following two weekends. Total 42, not 45, and 42 leaving
Cheers
@Tony for the update
Which diesels are leaving and by leaving do you mean completely withdrawn or moved to a different garage?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 30, 2024, 06:15:44 AMWhich diesels are leaving and by leaving do you mean completely withdrawn or moved to a different garage?
You know full well that will be revealed when the time comes, Tony will put it up then and not when people ask him in advance because his not allowed to
Quote from: Gareth on May 29, 2024, 09:09:10 PMWell if the weather reports are correct for the summer and the 'fifty days of rain', they'd better start looking for more parking space for new deliveries.
If they are as accurate as the usual SNOW BOMB!, HEATWAVE! click-bait nonsense that infects some news websites there won't be a problem
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on May 30, 2024, 06:15:44 AMWhich diesels are leaving and by leaving do you mean completely withdrawn or moved to a different garage?
Can you not be patient?
Hopefully some of the withdrawn buses will find further useful lives with other operators.
QuoteCan you not be patient?
They can't, they have to update bus times remember 😂
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 30, 2024, 07:05:54 AMYou know full well that will be revealed when the time comes, Tony will put it up then and not when people ask him in advance because his not allowed to
I'm sorry I didn't know i don't look at that stuff before I just ask, completely my fault
Any update on when Yardley wood getting the next chargers or are the electric buses all going to Perry Barr first
Quote from: Solo1 on May 31, 2024, 07:23:58 AMAny update on when Yardley wood getting the next chargers or are the electric buses all going to Perry Barr first
Both garages should be running more electric buses from August
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2024, 08:49:25 AMBoth garages should be running more electric buses from August
Thank you
Are perrys electrics still planned for tomorrow?
Not tomorrow 3rd
QuoteNot tomorrow 3rd
So since tomorrow is the 3rd, is it time to release those electrics from their cages
Well today is the 3rd are they actually in service today. Big steps if they are.
looks like another delay :lipsrsealed:
Quotelooks like another delay :lipsrsealed:
Tony has reported tomorrow now
We'll all just have to be patient.
In a few weeks time we'll all be photographing the last of a certain type bus before they leave PB and not even noting the electrics !
According to Bustimes, E189 and E185 are on the 33, E222 is on the 65
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 04, 2024, 05:44:44 AMAccording to Bustimes, E189 and E185 are on the 33, E222 is on the 65
I saw E220 on the 52.
Is any person who's allowed to change stuff on bus times going to change the E buses to what model they are and their livery?
Only person allowed now is tony Hunter after all the fake changes that were being posted
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on June 04, 2024, 07:55:21 AMIs any person who's allowed to change stuff on bus times going to change the E buses to what model they are and their livery?
All done now, but it isn't first in my list of priorities
QuoteAll done now, but it isn't first in my list of priorities
Are the cascades expected for today too?
Quote from: BBS on June 04, 2024, 08:44:46 AMAre the cascades expected for today too?
I expect Perry Barr will now want to lose some diesel buses to create space for the next electrics
Just coming down towards miller street on E189 and I seen an electric heading towards miller street Not In Service and one on the 907 not far behind.
Are these buses able to last a whole day? Or do they need to go back to the garage for a quick boost?
Quote from: Jay71 on June 05, 2024, 10:24:37 AMAre these buses able to last a whole day? Or do they need to go back to the garage for a quick boost?
Why do you need to ask?
A quick look at Bustimes gives you the answer
E220 yesterday - 16 hours
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-e220?date=2024-06-04
Next step up tomorrow should see 8 buses out at PB
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2024, 03:01:56 PMNext step up tomorrow should see 8 buses out at PB
And a daily update of withdrawn buses from little eddie 😂
First couple of actual withdrawals should turn up at Miller Street Tomorrow or Friday
I'm guessing you're gonna remove them all from the list once they all are withdrawn?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on June 05, 2024, 06:37:27 PMI'm guessing you're gonna remove them all from the list once they all are withdrawn?
I would of thought that was obvious !
I update Bustimes when I have time. It's not my first priority when I am at work.
There were 7 out this evening, including E226 which wasn't tracking
Quote from: uniquicity on June 06, 2024, 06:31:57 PMThere were 7 out this evening, including E226 which wasn't tracking
There were 8 out this evening E164 isn't tracking today
The next step up is due Monday if commissioning goes as planned this weekend with up to 18 in service
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2024, 06:12:57 PMThe next step up is due Monday if commissioning goes as planned this weekend with up to 18 in service
Fingers crossed for that - I recall Coventry had to have an increased electricity supply prior to full commissioning - I'm guessing this is an issue wherever large scale introduction of electric vehicle charging is introduced and can only take place in stages (similar to fitting the charging kit itself)?
Quote from: don on June 07, 2024, 07:25:50 PMFingers crossed for that - I recall Coventry had to have an increased electricity supply prior to full commissioning - I'm guessing this is an issue wherever large scale introduction of electric vehicle charging is introduced and can only take place in stages (similar to fitting the charging kit itself)?
what would be funny if they had to bring in diesel generators like seen else where in the country
E200 has entered service today. It's on the 16 but not tracking
Three more into service today
E176 is on the 101
E194 & E219 are both on the 907
E225 is also out and about but not sure if it is in service yet
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2024, 06:12:57 PMThe next step up is due Monday if commissioning goes as planned this weekend with up to 18 in service
...which I guess will lead to the majority of the 09 Enviros going.....
E224 has come out on the 33 this afternoon
E203 is out on the 67 but not tracking
16 out this morning, the most so far
E164; E165; E167; E176; E189; E194; E195; E200; E203; E211; E219; E220; E222; E225; E226.
E191 & E199 out this afternoon
Metroline wright Street deck electroliner spotted at tysley
Non of the electrics have announcements for the 33, is this a system error.
Perry Barr up to 21 in service now, so halfway there in the initial batch, some not tracking, but all the following are now in service
E164; E165; E167; E176; E189; E191; E194; E195; E196; E199; E200; E203; E204; E211; E219; E220; E222; E223; E224; E225; E226.
Are they starting to put adverts on the electrics?
Quote from: busboy31 on June 16, 2024, 09:58:17 AMAre they starting to put adverts on the electrics?
The frames are fitted so they will have adverts same as every other bus with them
Several more have entered service today. Full list now available is
| E164 |
| E165 |
| E166 |
| E167 |
| E168 |
| E172 |
| E176 |
| E189 |
| E191 |
| E194 |
| E195 |
| E196 |
| E199 |
| E200 |
| E201 |
| E203 |
| E204 |
| E208 |
| E211 |
| E216 |
| E218 |
| E219 |
| E220 |
| E221 |
| E222 |
| E223 |
| E224 |
| E225 |
| E226 |
Sorry if you said this already but how many is PB getting and what's the next depot that will get electric buses?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on June 18, 2024, 05:05:40 PMSorry if you said this already but how many is PB getting and what's the next depot that will get electric buses?
"Every diesel double deck will be replaced"
It's been said time over time. And we know it's YW next.
I've been on loads of electrics on 33 none have had announcements on that route
Is it just a trick of the light or is E275 in a single tone grey, not two-tone as are the other electrics?
Quote from: Stevo on June 24, 2024, 08:41:57 PMIs it just a trick of the light or is E275 in a single tone grey, not two-tone as are the other electrics?
It's in 1 tone grey
As of 10am today only 2 leccy buses on site bottom yard pensnett
Quote from: RW on June 27, 2024, 01:32:54 PMThe reason being....?
To match all other repaints
Quote from: Tony on June 27, 2024, 04:46:03 PMTo match all other repaints
Thanks Tony but have I missed something? Why is E275 a 'repaint'?
Quote from: RW on June 27, 2024, 05:32:26 PMThanks Tony but have I missed something? Why is E275 a 'repaint'?
It isn't a repaint !
I don't quite get this. Diesels are to be phased out and that would mean the single grey repaints would also Dissipate by 2030, in turn anything electric that would remain would be the same (1) two tone livery. LOL.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on June 18, 2024, 05:05:40 PMSorry if you said this already but how many is PB getting and what's the next depot that will get electric buses?
Shown in this thread #2133
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2279.2130 (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2279.2130)
Quote from: RW on June 27, 2024, 05:32:26 PMThanks Tony but have I missed something? Why is E275 a 'repaint'?
To put it simply, single tone grey is the new fleet livery. Buses up to E274 and some early repaints are two tone grey as that was going to be standard livery before the colour scheme was changed to a single tone.
Just been reading about NEWPOWER a Wrightbus company based in Bicester, I think it's the first OEM to do electric conversions/refurbs offering 10 year warranties to, they say the best buses to convert are 5 to 10 year olds midlife buses, they will only do there buses, aiming to do 500 a year, it seems firstbus are the main customers cost £200/250k a bus half the price of a new bus, I wonder if ADL has similar plans in the pipeline
Yeah there's some street decks that have already been converted to EV like the 2015/2016 diesel ones. I Think First Bristol, Bath & the West has a few of them
Quote from: karl724223 on June 27, 2024, 11:51:45 AMAs of 10am today only 2 leccy buses on site bottom yard pensnett
All been sent to WN to help with parking at PN.
Quote from: 2900 on June 28, 2024, 07:22:32 AMJust been reading about NEWPOWER a Wrightbus company based in Bicester, I think it's the first OEM to do electric conversions/refurbs offering 10 year warranties to, they say the best buses to convert are 5 to 10 year olds midlife buses, they will only do there buses, aiming to do 500 a year, it seems firstbus are the main customers cost £200/250k a bus half the price of a new bus, I wonder if ADL has similar plans in the pipeline
They have said they will also convert 'competitor models', but initially I think they'd start with their own. Streetseck, Gemini2 and New Routemaster being mentioned. There's a bit of a loss in seating capacity involved though.
It'll be interesting to see if NXWM have the crimson Streetdecks converted
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 28, 2024, 09:57:43 AMIt'll be interesting to see if NXWM have the crimson Streetdecks converted
I doubt that they are 9 year old
QuoteI doubt that they are 9 year old
I refer you to the point
@2900 made
QuoteJust been reading about NEWPOWER a Wrightbus company based in Bicester, I think it's the first OEM to do electric conversions/refurbs offering 10 year warranties to, they say the best buses to convert are 5 to 10 year olds midlife buses, they will only do there buses, aiming to do 500 a year
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 28, 2024, 09:57:43 AMIt'll be interesting to see if NXWM have the crimson Streetdecks converted
A lot of money to spend on a tiny, non standard batch in the fleet.
I doubt it NX only have 5 of them and would it be worth even sending 1 away like they did for the Hybrids to be converted leaving WA who are already short of DD's shorter of DD's by 1 but that's still 1 fewer not including any of there other DD's that might be having work done or repairs, the StreetDecks are already Euro 6 and are finally able to see Service regularly rather than before where they were of the road due to a struggle to get parts.
Quote from: BN on June 28, 2024, 07:42:00 AMAll been sent to WN to help with parking at PN.
More new ish deckers to pensnett then
Quote from: Gareth on June 28, 2024, 12:34:58 AMTo put it simply, single tone grey is the new fleet livery. Buses up to E274 and some early repaints are two tone grey as that was going to be standard livery before the colour scheme was changed to a single tone.
I really wish NX would make their mind up on livery application, there's now 4 shades of grey used in the fleet with Platinum & latest two-tone / single grey versions, it's a recipe for disaster. There are already numerous buses out in service with mismatched panels following RTC repairs in the wrong shade of grey. Same applies to Crimson RTC repairs too. Presentation standards have slipped.
Quote from: winston on June 29, 2024, 12:10:40 AMI really wish NX would make their mind up on livery application, there's now 4 shades of grey used in the fleet with Platinum & latest two-tone / single grey versions, it's a recipe for disaster. There are already numerous buses out in service with mismatched panels following RTC repairs in the wrong shade of grey. Same applies to Crimson RTC repairs too. Presentation standards have slipped.
Presentation standards and livery standards have dropped. The gradual complete metamorphosis from the stylish crimson and platinum designs to all-over dark grey is really disappointing. The latest repaints look truly dreadful. And I don't buy that excuse that it's easily maintained. There are plenty of liveries out there that are non-complex and low maintenance but there's really no excuse for a livery that smacks of "couldn't care less".
I don't remember seeing the old Wmpte livery in various states of disrepair.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on June 28, 2024, 11:08:49 AMI doubt it NX only have 5 of them and would it be worth even sending 1 away like they did for the Hybrids to be converted leaving WA who are already short of DD's shorter of DD's by 1 but that's still 1 fewer not including any of there other DD's that might be having work done or repairs, the StreetDecks are already Euro 6 and are finally able to see Service regularly rather than before where they were of the road due to a struggle to get parts.
Unfortunately you rarely see all 5 of the street decks out in service. 2 currently out of service and when street decks are in service they don't always complete a running board without something happening to them. I know 3305 is off road due to a vehicle going in to the back of it. 3301 has been out recently but that was only few hours and now it's off the road again. I reckon these might get painted eventually.
Quote from: PB50 on June 29, 2024, 09:34:13 AMUnfortunately you rarely see all 5 of the street decks out in service. 2 currently out of service and when street decks are in service they don't always complete a running board without something happening to them. I know 3305 is off road due to a vehicle going in to the back of it. 3301 has been out recently but that was only few hours and now it's off the road again. I reckon these might get painted eventually.
Ah right I see. Yeah in that case certainly no need to spend Money on them being converted to Electric.
Quote from: Mike K on June 29, 2024, 01:33:52 AMPresentation standards and livery standards have dropped. The gradual complete metamorphosis from the stylish crimson and platinum designs to all-over dark grey is really disappointing. The latest repaints look truly dreadful. And I don't buy that excuse that it's easily maintained. There are plenty of liveries out there that are non-complex and low maintenance but there's really no excuse for a livery that smacks of "couldn't care less".
The single grey livery & using a solid red band vinyl is all down to cost savings. Whilst that livery may be easier to maintain, they numerous versions in existence out on the road, therefore the number of buses with mismatched panels will only increase.
Another 25 buses, filling in all the gaps up to E230 are being registered from the beginning of July
I have put all the new registrations on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
With all these new buses still see my old route 94 and 95 with all the old shabby cast offs.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 30, 2024, 05:07:27 PMWith all these new buses still see my old route 94 and 95 with all the old shabby cast offs.
That's because BC aren't due to receive any electrics. :rolleyes:
Anyway, have you not actually used these services recently? I was in the city centre yesterday and noted a number of repainted Enviro400s looking quite smart on them.
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2024, 05:15:27 PMThat's because BC aren't due to receive any electrics. :rolleyes:
Anyway, have you not actually used these services recently? I was in the city centre yesterday and noted a number of repainted Enviro400s looking quite smart on them.
It's always fabulous when the blue ones turn up on them.
Quote from: winston on June 29, 2024, 11:27:01 AMThe single grey livery & using a solid red band vinyl is all down to cost savings. Whilst that livery may be easier to maintain, they numerous versions in existence out on the road, therefore the number of buses with mismatched panels will only increase.
Nothing says cost saving like putting the "correct" livery on old, "any-day-now" to be withdrawn buses and putting the "incorrect, cost cutter" version on the brand new ones
Quote from: winston on June 29, 2024, 12:10:40 AMI really wish NX would make their mind up on livery application, there's now 4 shades of grey used in the fleet with Platinum & latest two-tone / single grey versions, it's a recipe for disaster. There are already numerous buses out in service with mismatched panels following RTC repairs in the wrong shade of grey. Same applies to Crimson RTC repairs too. Presentation standards have slipped.
The presentation with NX have very much slipped, it's as if we are back in the late 2000's. Buses are full of etching again and don't seem to be replaced, whereas back in 201*'s it was quickly removed. The state of logos missing and parts of livery, missing branding etc, just like we are in 2006-2010 again when it was bad.
Quote from: Jack on June 30, 2024, 09:28:21 PMThe presentation with NX have very much slipped, it's as if we are back in the late 2000's. Buses are full of etching again and don't seem to be replaced, whereas back in 201*'s it was quickly removed. The state of logos missing and parts of livery, missing branding etc, just like we are in 2006-2010 again when it was bad.
Couldn't agree more, hardly gonna attract any motorists out of their cars with an all over grey livery. A brighter livery like diamond have would make a big difference
Quote from: Jack on June 30, 2024, 09:28:21 PMThe presentation with NX have very much slipped, it's as if we are back in the late 2000's. Buses are full of etching again and don't seem to be replaced, whereas back in 201*'s it was quickly removed. The state of logos missing and parts of livery, missing branding etc, just like we are in 2006-2010 again when it was bad.
I literally saw an X21/X22 earlier with the entire right-side branding removed. the only part of the X21 X22 livery still on the right-side of the bus was the two circles denoting the route number. It's really gone downhill
Quote from: Lukeee on June 30, 2024, 10:08:06 PMCouldn't agree more, hardly gonna attract any motorists out of their cars with an all over grey livery. A brighter livery like diamond have would make a big difference
The window etching is awful now, it's like we've took a step back to 2008!
Was anyone else just starting to change their mind about the new two tone... when I saw it in person, thought it looked somewhat decent?
This all over grey is such a big step down from recent platinum.
And yes, I totally agree about the diamond blue livery. I've personally always thought Birmingham buses should have been blue🤷�♂️. Blueson and diamond cruising the streets would have been much "brighter" than grey. (Pun intended).
Anyway I'm sure everyone's had their input (multiple times) we can all agree.. it's just getting more and more cringeworthy. They really need to fix up.
Blueson is very pleasing. At least we still have Diamond and other operators here to keep the streets bright and not gloomy and depressing!
Quote from: Jack on June 30, 2024, 11:25:48 PMBlueson is very pleasing. At least we still have Diamond and other operators here to keep the streets bright and not gloomy and depressing!
Facts. I for one, would love diamond to takeover. I've never had a bad experience with there services as opposed nx!!
Quote from: JosephR on June 30, 2024, 11:56:44 PMFacts. I for one, would love diamond to takeover. I've never had a bad experience with there services as opposed nx!!
I'd love to know which Diamond routes you use
Quote from: JosephR on June 30, 2024, 11:21:40 PMWas anyone else just starting to change their mind about the new two tone... when I saw it in person, thought it looked somewhat decent?
This all over grey is such a big step down from recent platinum.
And yes, I totally agree about the diamond blue livery. I've personally always thought Birmingham buses should have been blue🤷�♂️. Blueson and diamond cruising the streets would have been much "brighter" than grey. (Pun intended).
Anyway I'm sure everyone's had their input (multiple times) we can all agree.. it's just getting more and more cringeworthy. They really need to fix up.
i never actually really liked the coventry sky blue, i think it should be darker, but coventry is the sky blue city
Let's hope the mayor chooses a decent colour unlike Manchester
Quote from: Mayfield on July 01, 2024, 08:35:23 AMLet's hope the mayor chooses a decent colour unlike Manchester
Well if he wants all the buses painting that's a fifth of his budget gone. He reckons franchising will cost him 25 million, Manchester has already spent 5 million on repaints
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2024, 08:39:08 AMWell if he wants all the buses painting that's a fifth of his budget gone. He reckons franchising will cost him 25 million, Manchester has already spent 5 million on repaints
If that's the case then it would be better to go with the grey livery as most of the buses by then would be in that colour, I'm finding the all the negative comments about the grey livery a bit boring now, the passengers couldn't care less anyway
Quote from: Mayfield on July 01, 2024, 08:35:23 AMLet's hope the mayor chooses a decent colour unlike Manchester
claret maybe
Imagine under the new regime the 94 and 97s actually getting new buses lol
Quote from: Mayfield on July 01, 2024, 08:35:23 AMLet's hope the mayor chooses a decent colour unlike Manchester
Blue and cream the colours of Birmingham corporation just unsure how it would tie in with the newer vehicles though
Quote from: JosephRAnd yes, I totally agree about the diamond blue livery. I've personally always thought Birmingham buses should have been blue🤷�♂️. Blueson and diamond cruising the streets would have been much "brighter" than grey. (Pun intended).
If you mean more of a royal blue than sky blue then I agree, I've always thought that.
Similar to the blue used on the metrobuses.
Quote from: frostjay974 on July 01, 2024, 01:11:20 PMBlue and cream the colours of Birmingham corporation just unsure how it would tie in with the newer vehicles though
I very much doubt they would be two colours. It adds up to a thousand pounds to a repaint, hence the current switch to a single grey
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2024, 03:40:40 PMI very much doubt they would be two colours. It adds up to a thousand pounds to a repaint, hence the current switch to a single grey
New vehicles from any operator would eventually appear in a corparate Wm Bus livery theorectially, if the powers that be chose to go down that route.
What if the operator chose to do a partial repaint, say for example, painting the fronts only in the new corparate livery(think one PTE did this many years ago?)?
If you remember when Arriva took over Chase, they still had Nationals in advertising livery, so they painted the fronts in Arriva livery & the buses only lasted a few more weeks before withdrawal.
Is it worth doing partial repaints on older vehicles, to spread a new corparate livery?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 01, 2024, 12:46:33 PMImagine under the new regime the 94 and 97s actually getting new buses lol
If they still want to do cross-city routes, those will be going through to the other side of the network. So there will be new buses but they will never arrive on time.
Just waiting for the day blues and west brom play... (if they still want to combine the 74 and 97)
Quote from: GoldenSquid on July 01, 2024, 05:58:05 PMIf they still want to do cross-city routes, those will be going through to the other side of the network. So there will be new buses but they will never arrive on time.
Just waiting for the day blues and west brom play... (if they still want to combine the 74 and 97)
The cynical part of me thinks HS2 will be carrying passengers before that happens ha ha.
The single colour is greener aswell as being cost effective, as mentioned before spray booth/ovens use alot of gas and very expensive to run and maintain, plus you use way less masking paper/tape/ plastic sheeting.
London buses have been single colour forever and I don't see any one complaining about there livery/ colour.
With modern vinyl anything is possible to print and slap on.
Quote from: 2900 on July 02, 2024, 08:38:10 AMThe single colour is greener aswell as being cost effective, as mentioned before spray booth/ovens use alot of gas and very expensive to run and maintain, plus you use way less masking paper/tape/ plastic sheeting.
London buses have been single colour forever and I don't see any one complaining about there livery/ colour.
With modern vinyl anything is possible to print and slap on.
Better not mention modern vinyl to the gatekeepers at Just Stop Oil though. To be honest, I can't stand the single colour plain grey and I have never liked London's plain red, I find it uninspiring alongside the traditional municipal and PTE liveries.
I realise it's unfashionable to say anything that doesn't support the headlong rush to 'net zero,' but then I've never considered myself fashionable!
How about plain white? No need to paint any new buses then!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on July 02, 2024, 09:16:47 AMHow about plain white? No need to paint any new buses then!
Still painted all over white at the factory, plus it looks very shabby very quick
Quote from: The Real 4777 on July 02, 2024, 08:53:41 AMBetter not mention modern vinyl to the gatekeepers at Just Stop Oil though. To be honest, I can't stand the single colour plain grey and I have never liked London's plain red, I find it uninspiring alongside the traditional municipal and PTE liveries.
I realise it's unfashionable to say anything that doesn't support the headlong rush to 'net zero,' but then I've never considered myself fashionable!
They moan about tyre rubber pollution too that lot, tiny particles killing us , some will come up with green rubber made from recycled plastic coke bottles
Quote from: 2900 on July 02, 2024, 09:37:43 AMThey moan about tyre rubber pollution too that lot, tiny particles killing us , some will come up with green rubber made from recycled plastic coke bottles
The Irony is they all sit in front of Traffic causing emissions and burning fuel, those Veichles will then need to go to a i don't know oh yes a Petrol Station which uses Oil the exact thing they are trying to stop.
Back on Topic If NX wanted to continue with 1 paint tone there was nothing wrong with Crimson and Blueson and the Hertiage Liveries would have been the only ones to use more than more tone. Maybe a revised Crimson as it was two tone I believe. But maybe a Maroon. Also the Franchising Colours should be the Red as it is marketed on the TFWM Website. Buses in red, Trams Blue, Trains Purple. And WA and WB already have veichles in that Livery from Parternship routes. So all it would take is all of them to be painted into that colour scheme and it would be done.
And further back on Topic, Surely the EV's could be painted Green to recognise they are Green Veichles Green with Platnium Decals, The Hydrogens could be painted Green to. Now NX don't own Dundee and the Hybrids had that Livery when they were new surely the EV's could be Green.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on July 02, 2024, 10:49:12 AMThe Irony is they all sit in front of Traffic causing emissions and burning fuel, those Veichles will then need to go to a i don't know oh yes a Petrol Station which uses Oil the exact thing they are trying to stop.
Back on Topic If NX wanted to continue with 1 paint tone there was nothing wrong with Crimson and Blueson and the Hertiage Liveries would have been the only ones to use more than more tone. Maybe a revised Crimson as it was two tone I believe. But maybe a Maroon. Also the Franchising Colours should be the Red as it is marketed on the TFWM Website. Buses in red, Trams Blue, Trains Purple. And WA and WB already have veichles in that Livery from Parternship routes. So all it would take is all of them to be painted into that colour scheme and it would be done.
And further back on Topic, Surely the EV's could be painted Green to recognise they are Green Veichles Green with Platnium Decals, The Hydrogens could be painted Green to. Now NX don't own Dundee and the Hybrids had that Livery when they were new surely the EV's could be Green.
i think the lightning bolts and "zero emissions" decals do enough to signify the vehicle is green
Quote from: jasmine on July 02, 2024, 01:45:06 PMi think the lightning bolts and "zero emissions" decals do enough to signify the vehicle is green
Green would look a lot better than grey. Even some green decals on the grey would lighten it up.
Quote from: Jack on July 02, 2024, 02:30:23 PMGreen would look a lot better than grey. Even some green decals on the grey would lighten it up.
flies in the face of colour theory.
Quote from: jasmine on July 02, 2024, 02:47:43 PMflies in the face of colour theory.
Yes, even flies on the faces of buses would add colour.
grey with red and green accents would not work well, not in the way you guys are proposing. without changes needing to be made
To all members
PLEASE let's get this back on topic very quickly, there are plenty of other threads for discussing paints and liveries.
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2024, 08:39:08 AMWell if he wants all the buses painting that's a fifth of his budget gone. He reckons franchising will cost him 25 million, Manchester has already spent 5 million on repaints
You know the BeeNetwork is 5 million just on the repaints or is that with the interior refurbs too?
How many electric buses at Perry Barr are now available for service to use
Quote from: Solo1 on July 05, 2024, 07:46:13 AMHow many electric buses at Perry Barr are now available for service to use
41
All of those shown on the main site at allocated to Perry Barr have been out in service except E171 which is at YW, but will be returning to PB next week
I've been on a few electric buses recently where they keep rolling back and the driver was panicking is this normal
Quote from: Funnysnow18 on July 09, 2024, 03:40:29 PMI've been on a few electric buses recently where they keep rolling back and the driver was panicking is this normal
I travel on them every and I haven't noticed that
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 09, 2024, 04:00:28 PMI travel on them every and I haven't noticed that
I've been on a few on them and they kept rolling back E167 and E184
Quote from: Funnysnow18 on July 09, 2024, 04:09:09 PMI've been on a few on them and they kept rolling back E167 and E184
I've been on the same buses, still haven't noticed anything like that
I catch them everyday and have done for ages now, never noticed that at all on any of them new or old.
It can happen, If a driver rolls to a stand not using the brakes then the hill hold doesn't activate. As long as you stop using the brakes, or touch the brake pedal after rolling to a stop they do not roll back (or forwards) until the accelerator pedal is touched
Quote from: Funnysnow18 on July 09, 2024, 03:40:29 PMI've been on a few electric buses recently where they keep rolling back and the driver was panicking is this normal
happened once with me and ive been on them a handful of times
I'm sorry if this has already been said but that batch of electrics are going PB
And YW
E253 is out on the 6 if not already mentiones
E171 has just entered service for the first time on the 52 meaning all 42 of the initial PB allocation are in normal use
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2024, 05:09:48 PME171 has just entered service for the first time on the 52 meaning all 42 of the initial PB allocation are in normal use
Is E175 E180 in use ?
Looks like PB Electrics have the same issue as the CV ones with announcements randomly switching off after a few journeys.
Would it be of any interest to NX to retrofit electric drivetrains into early platinum buses? as this method has been proven to be cost effective on other buses halfway through their operational life.
Quote from: JosephR on July 12, 2024, 11:45:39 PMWould it be of any interest to NX to retrofit electric drivetrains into early platinum buses? as this method has been proven to be cost effective on other buses halfway through their operational life.
Which buses has it been proven cost effective on?
I know a few have been done, but the York sightseeing buses only managed a couple of years before being scrapped
The NewPower facility by Wrightbus looks quite promising. I would be happy to see some of our buses, younger than 10 years old, retrofitted by a well-known manufacturer. Perhaps this could help NX fulfil its 2030 zero-emission target if delays arise.
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2024, 05:40:00 AMWhich buses has it been proven cost effective on?
I know a few have been done, but the York sightseeing buses only managed a couple of years before being scrapped
Which ones were the York ones Tony, mind has gone blank
Quote from: Mayfield on July 13, 2024, 04:16:57 PMWhich ones were the York ones Tony, mind has gone blank
Open top Transdev Enviro 400s
Can't recall that at all, just had a quick Google and it appears to have been just 1 bus in 2014,is that correct and it was quickly abandoned and 4 Enviro 400's were upgraded to Euro 6 in 2020 instead
Quote from: Mayfield on July 13, 2024, 05:22:17 PMCan't recall that at all, just had a quick Google and it appears to have been just 1 bus in 2014,is that correct and it was quickly abandoned and 4 Enviro 400's were upgraded to Euro 6 in 2020 instead
Four were done
https://stevegalloway.mycouncillor.org.uk/tag/electric-buses/
Thanks Tony, I believe there were some running in Oxford at one time
As E306 shows Plaxtons on the destination screen, can I assume that the final 28 of the order are being built in Scarborough rather than Falkirk?
Lucky those 30 E400s have gone, new ones seem to be flying in again and obviously need to be parked somewhere.
Quote from: cardew on July 20, 2024, 09:41:01 AM...new ones seem to be flying in again and obviously need to be parked somewhere.
Is there no end to the technical supremacy of the electrical charabancs - these are now being delivered by air!!!!
Quote from: cardew on July 20, 2024, 09:41:01 AMAs E306 shows Plaxtons on the destination screen, can I assume that the final 28 of the order are being built in Scarborough rather than Falkirk?
Lucky those 30 E400s have gone, new ones seem to be flying in again and obviously need to be parked somewhere.
Yes, the ones with body numbers starting with P are Scarborough built
E306-E333 are being registered and taxed from 1/8/24. Details of the allocated registrations are on the main site
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2024, 07:19:17 PME306-E333 are being registered and taxed from 1/8/24. Details of the allocated registrations are on the main site
Thanks for the update
Just to point out E327 and E333 are showing the same reg :)
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2024, 07:19:17 PME306-E333 are being registered and taxed from 1/8/24. Details of the allocated registrations are on the main site
So unless planned allocations have changed that will make 53 more registered and soon destined for PB?
Quote from: cardew on July 22, 2024, 08:10:31 PMSo unless planned allocations have changed that will make 53 more registered and soon destined for PB?
It was always planned that this current batch were for both PB and YW, but with PB they would come in 'two parts'.
From another thread here:
Quote from: Tony on June 22, 2024, 08:37:21 AMYes
Allocations are currently planned to be
E164-E230 to Perry Barr (The remaining 25 of this batch are being registered from July)
E231-E284 to Yardley Wood
E285-E333 to Perry Barr
This could change slightly depending on the switch on of chargers at the two garages
There's a couple of PVR increases coming which will take a few of the extra buses up. The 97 to the airport for instance, and the first 30 have been take up by 4799-4829.
Quote from: Stu on July 22, 2024, 08:21:44 PMIt was always planned that this current batch were for both PB and YW, but with PB they would come in 'two parts'.
From another thread here:
Yes, I saw that. It was probably my roundabout way of wondering if YW are getting any in August given 25 of the first PB batch 164-230 are registered but still to enter service.
Sorry if this has already been asked before but why aren't the new electric vehicles registered under the 'S' or 'Y' prefix anymore depending on where they were built they all have 'L' which is for London isn't it?
Quote from: frostjay974 on July 23, 2024, 01:21:42 PMSorry if this has already been asked before but why aren't the new electric vehicles registered under the 'S' or 'Y' prefix anymore depending on where they were built they all have 'L' which is for London isn't it?
BYD are based in London
QuoteYes, I saw that. It was probably my roundabout way of wondering if YW are getting any in August given 25 of the first PB batch 164-230 are registered but still to enter service.
E251 was on the 6 in Solihull around 17:15...
Quote from: cardew on July 23, 2024, 01:15:30 PMYes, I saw that. It was probably my roundabout way of wondering if YW are getting any in August given 25 of the first PB batch 164-230 are registered but still to enter service.
YW have had three already, E251 and E253 which are both in service, while E252 is being used for driver type training.
As with PB, there are issues with getting additional chargers installed, commissioned and switched on. My understanding is that YW may not see more enter service until September.
Long gone are the days when a bus would be delivered new and into service after a very short time. Some of these buses were delivered in November. I hope for the batch that comes after the BYD buses, plans are already in place to have the equipment in place at the receiving garages.
Quote from: Gareth on July 23, 2024, 08:00:18 PMLong gone are the days when a bus would be delivered new and into service after a very short time. Some of these buses were delivered in November. I hope for the batch that comes after the BYD buses, plans are already in place to have the equipment in place at the receiving garages.
Some of the E306-E333 will go almost straight into service. They are all being taxed from 1st August.
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2024, 08:07:36 PMSome of the E306-E333 will go almost straight into service. They are all being taxed from 1st August.
What prevents buses that have been here for months not going into service before this newer batch? And where is E234? Is it lost? or is it so far back at a parking lot somewhere it has to wait for buses in front of it to move first.
Quote from: Gareth on July 23, 2024, 08:54:23 PMWhat prevents buses that have been here for months not going into service before this newer batch? And where is E234? Is it lost? or is it so far back at a parking lot somewhere it has to wait for buses in front of it to move first.
As was said by
@Stu the allocation were set with YW getting E231-E284, this was done as a best guess in charger availability at the time which has now changed slightly. The plan is that all 170 will have been used in service by 30th September
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2024, 09:11:54 PMAs was said by @Stu the allocation were set with YW getting E231-E284, this was done as a best guess in charger availability at the time which has now changed slightly. The plan is that all 170 will have been used in service by 30th September
I was more on about the buses for Perry Barr.
Quote from: Gareth on July 23, 2024, 09:48:52 PMI was more on about the buses for Perry Barr.
Which other Perry Barr ones? All of the remaining ones up to E230 are taxed and will be next. E284-305 aren't finished yet. E306 upwards have been built at Scarborough separately
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2024, 09:57:53 PMWhich other Perry Barr ones? All of the remaining ones up to E230 are taxed and will be next. E284-305 aren't finished yet. E306 upwards have been built at Scarborough separately
The 25 missing vehicles from that batch, that according to your fleet list are 'being prepared'.
My question being, out of interest why vehicles like the earliest ones that have been here since November/December etc still haven't entered service when an earlier comment by you suggested that 306-33 were about to enter service in the very near future. Or we will be get all 50 buses in quick succession?
Sometimes it's interesting to know the details into how and why. The interesting little ins and outs on decisions. I'm an enthusiast after all. I like the geeky stuff. Even if it's boring or maybe you can't or don't have an answer. That's fine. Just say. We're not all kids watching bus times all day every day. Some of us like discussion.
It was pretty obvious which other Perry Barr ones!
Have all of the current PB ones entered service now?
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 24, 2024, 10:59:30 AMHave all of the current PB ones entered service now?
you need to read the above comments
I meant to edit the comment, I mean the current PB parked at PB, I'm sufre theres some I've yet to see on the road E175, E179, E180, E181, E182 spring to mind
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 24, 2024, 11:02:44 AMI meant to edit the comment, I mean the current PB parked at PB, I'm sufre theres some I've yet to see on the road E175, E179, E180, E181, E182 spring to mind
Only ones not yet been in service are E229 & E230 which are the first two of the next batch of 40
To clarify, from 1st August PB is expected to have the ability to run an additional 40 vehicles (82 in total) these 40 will be all the remaining ones up to E230 and 15 of the E3xx ones
That should be when the transfers start to get interesting.
E306 now at PB being prepared for service
Do Watford still have some of the electrics for Harry Potter thing I think it was for?
QuoteDo Watford still have some of the electrics for Harry Potter thing I think it was for?
Yes 4
Another E400EV was being delivered yesterday, passed it heading south on the M1 approx 11.00am
Quote from: winston on July 27, 2024, 02:40:55 PMAnother E400EV was being delivered yesterday, passed it heading south on the M1 approx 11.00am
6 have been inspected at Scarborough so it will be one of those on the way to BYD at Slough
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2024, 02:43:13 PM6 have been inspected at Scarborough so it will be one of those on the way to BYD at Slough
I couldn't ID it as passed it North bound.
Quote from: winston on July 27, 2024, 02:43:56 PMI couldn't ID it as passed it North bound.
The Scarborough ones have a handwritten fleetnumber in the nearside windscreen, but would be impossible to read on the motorway
Are the new electric buses air conditioned? The air coming out of the vents of the upper deck of E172 is fairly cool.
QuoteAre the new electric buses air conditioned? The air coming out of the vents of the upper deck of E172 is fairly cool.
Nope no A/C on the electrics in the saloon
saw e228 on lichfield road by peacock avenue
Quote from: mranon on July 29, 2024, 03:29:02 PMsaw e228 on lichfield road by peacock avenue
Now at PB for initial inspection
You know the new Volvo demo 1908, I'm pretty sure this was at the euro bus expo few years ago. It looked very smart does it have a B8 dashboard too I can't rember fully but I'm sure I rember seeing it at the euro bus expo.
Quote from: Wba_lad on August 05, 2024, 10:11:03 AMYou know the new Volvo demo 1908, I'm pretty sure this was at the euro bus expo few years ago. It looked very smart does it have a B8 dashboard too I can't rember fully but I'm sure I rember seeing it at the euro bus expo.
It's only 18 months old, so wouldn't have been there a few years ago
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2024, 10:14:24 AMIt's only 18 months old, so wouldn't have been there a few years ago
Sorry it was there November 2022 wasn't it feels longer than that.
I saw three electrics trundling down the m42 this morning, between j10 and 9, about 10am. It looked like the first one was E190, couldn't see what the other two were. They had the NIS nxcov.com blinds on the front.
There was an oversized vehicle trying to overtake them, and then quite a queue behind them!
Quote from: ellspurs on August 05, 2024, 02:21:16 PMI saw three electrics trundling down the m42 this morning, between j10 and 9, about 10am. It looked like the first one was E190, couldn't see what the other two were. They had the NIS nxcov.com blinds on the front.
There was an oversized vehicle trying to overtake them, and then quite a queue behind them!
E182, 190 & 192 all now at Aston
I don't know if I've missed something but according to Bus Times, E177 spent yesterday on a duty on the 529 - is this correct, and is it on loan to WN currently?
Quote from: don on August 09, 2024, 01:35:45 AMI don't know if I've missed something but according to Bus Times, E177 spent yesterday on a duty on the 529 - is this correct, and is it on loan to WN currently?
Surprised if it was.
It was never on 529 if you click on it it has tracked on there since march it's a tracking issue. E177 hasn't actually entered service yet
Quote from: don on August 09, 2024, 01:35:45 AMI don't know if I've missed something but according to Bus Times, E177 spent yesterday on a duty on the 529 - is this correct, and is it on loan to WN currently?
No it didn't, if you actually look at the journey history you'll see it was nowhere near Wolverhampton, and was just tracking inside Perry Barr depot, like it is today:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-e177?date=2024-08-08#journeys/615842377
The system was logged on to a 529 journey at some point, presumably just for testing equipment, and someone forgot to log off, that's all this is. You see the same with some other vehicles that haven't been used yet.
4th August Robert's to PB
On tha
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 10:03:04 AMNo it didn't, if you actually look at the journey history you'll see it was nowhere near Wolverhampton, and was just tracking inside Perry Barr depot, like it is today:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-e177?date=2024-08-08#journeys/615842377
The system was logged on to a 529 journey at some point, presumably just for testing equipment, and someone forgot to log off, that's all this is. You see the same with some other vehicles that haven't been used yet.
In that link where can you see it was in PB garage
Quote from: Mayfield on August 09, 2024, 10:33:32 AMOn thaIn that link where can you see it was in PB garage
The chevron off the side of the M6 is where the vehicles tracked location.
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2024, 10:03:04 AMNo it didn't, if you actually look at the journey history you'll see it was nowhere near Wolverhampton, and was just tracking inside Perry Barr depot, like it is today:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-e177?date=2024-08-08#journeys/615842377
The system was logged on to a 529 journey at some point, presumably just for testing equipment, and someone forgot to log off, that's all this is. You see the same with some other vehicles that haven't been used yet.
I did look at the map before I posted and it showed journeys on the 529 (Wolverhampton/Walsall), in accordance with the journeys it listed.
But thanks for the explanation. I have seen this before when the Coventry vehicles were being prepared - but the map did not show the actual journeys like this one. If it hadn't I wouldn't have posted the query.
Quote from: Mayfield on August 09, 2024, 10:33:32 AMOn thaIn that link where can you see it was in PB garage
Look at the tracking chevrons and then zoom in.
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My mistake - you actually have to zoom out to see it, as on my smart phone, it centres on the 529 route (shows the stops with no arrows)!
It shows the journey from Roberts to PB on 4/8/24 also!!
Quote from: Mayfield on August 09, 2024, 10:31:44 AM4th August Robert's to PB
Actually Roberts to Aston depot
Every
Quote from: jasmine on August 09, 2024, 10:35:19 AMThe chevron off the side of the M6 is where the vehicles tracked location.
Every days a school day
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2024, 01:35:11 PMActually Roberts to Aston depot
Yeah I thought it was a roundabout way to (eventually) get to PB!
E182 tracking on Bustimes as LG73FUW which i believe was its originally allocated registration
Cheers ... Richard
Quote from: Wibble on August 12, 2024, 08:38:00 AME182 tracking on Bustimes as LG73FUW which i believe was its originally allocated registration
Cheers ... Richard
Now corrected
Looks like E252 has finished its training duties, now being used in service at YW.
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2024, 04:19:05 PME182, 190 & 192 all now at Aston
Two more trundling down the m42 this morning, saw them about 1045am between j10 and j9. Didn't see the number.
E212 & E217 now at PB
E290; E291; E292; E293 & E294 all delivered new to BC in the last two days
Current locations of electric buses delivered, but not yet in service
| PB | BC | WA | WN | Aston | MS | | | Roberts |
| E179 | E274 | E231 | E233 | E185 | E232 | | | E174 |
| E180 | E278 | E239 | E235 | E245 | E248 | | | E181 |
| E202 | E279 | E244 | E236 | E311 | E258 | | | E186 |
| E206 | E283 | E246 | E237 | E312 | E267 | | | E187 |
| E209 | E285 | E247 | E238 | E313 | E268 | | | E188 |
| E214 | E288 | E249 | E240 | E314 | E269 | | | |
| E215 | E290 | E250 | E241 | E320 | E276 | | | |
| E217 | E291 | E254 | E242 | E321 | E280 | | | |
| E273 | E292 | E260 | E243 | E322 | E282 | | | |
| E316 | E293 | E262 | E259 | E323 | E284 | | | |
| E317 | E294 | E265 | E261 | | E286 | | | |
| E319 | E266 | E263 | | | | | |
| | E275 | E264 | | | | | |
| | E287 | E270 | | | | | |
| | | E271 | | | | | |
| | | E272 | | | | | |
| | | E277 | | | | | |
| | | E281 | | | | | |
Is E334 going to be a single or double decker?
Quote from: frostjay974 on August 19, 2024, 03:57:40 PMIs E334 going to be a single or double decker?
The clue is in seating arrangement on Tony's list
H??/??
Quote from: midlandred2003 on August 19, 2024, 05:35:32 PMThe clue is in seating arrangement on Tony's list
H??/??
So I can go off a limb and say that it's going to be the E400 EV then?
Quote from: frostjay974 on August 19, 2024, 07:06:21 PMSo I can go off a limb and say that it's going to be the E400 EV then?
The list says Alexander Dennis where the others say BYD DD
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on August 19, 2024, 08:20:34 PMThe list says Alexander Dennis where the others say BYD DD
Thanks Sherlock
E179; E180; E206 & E212 all entered service either last night or this morning
I have put all allocated registrations for E164-E333 on my website.
Only ones that might change now are E318/9 & E321-E333 which were due to be registered this month, but so far haven't!
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
E284 has a nice blast from past reg number. E300 is pretty cool too.
Another going into service today is E312
Does anyone know if the demo 1908 is out today please.
Several buses cleared for service over the weekend.
E311, E313, E314 & E320 all out for the first time, and E316 & E317 cleared from a paperwork issue, so back out again.
So the following are now in service
Perry Barr
E164-E180
E182-E184
E186-E230
E305-E317
E320
79 vehicles
Yardley Wood
E233, E235; E236
E251-E253
E255-E257
9 vehicles
Next three for service have just gone to PB and will possibly be out tomorrow
E185, E319 & E323
Quote from: Tony on September 02, 2024, 01:25:29 PMNext three for service have just gone to PB and will possibly be out tomorrow
E185, E319 & E323
Is there a target date for the entire batch to fully enter service?
Quote from: Ronnoc on September 02, 2024, 06:22:29 PMIs there a target date for the entire batch to fully enter service?
Not a particular date, no. PB will have more chargers live at the end of this week hopefully, but YW ones are still around 3 weeks away
I only noticed today that these new electrics have a little speaker on the outside next to the door.
Was waiting on Camp Hill for a 2 or 3, three new buses on the 6 arrived in convoy. Two of them stopped to let off passengers, as the doors were closing I heard the "6 to Solihull" announcement, and initially wondered where it was coming from. It was only when the second bus did the same that I noticed this speaker.
I assume this is for the benefit of blind or visually-impaired passengers, so while I applaud this move as a great idea, two things I will suggest is that the volume could be a bit higher, and the announcement should be played BEFORE the doors close and the bus pulls away!
Quote from: Stu on September 02, 2024, 07:19:00 PMI only noticed today that these new electrics have a little speaker on the outside next to the door.
Was waiting on Camp Hill for a 2 or 3, three new buses on the 6 arrived in convoy. Two of them stopped to let off passengers, as the doors were closing I heard the "6 to Solihull" announcement, and initially wondered where it was coming from. It was only when the second bus did the same that I noticed this speaker.
I assume this is for the benefit of blind or visually-impaired passengers, so while I applaud this move as a great idea, two things I will suggest is that the volume could be a bit higher, and the announcement should be played BEFORE the doors close and the bus pulls away!
The volume can be changed via the destination DERIC controller (not by the driver, you need some codes to get into the controls). They are supposed to play as the doors open
QuoteThe volume can be changed via the destination DERIC controller (not by the driver, you need some codes to get into the controls). They are supposed to play as the doors open
Coventry also has them, their quite useful but most of the time you can't even hear them
E323 has just entered service on the 16 making it 80 vehicles now in service at PB
Today's new entry into service is E322
When are the 74 plates entering service
Quote from: Mayfield on September 04, 2024, 05:50:55 PMWhen are the 74 plates entering service
Probably after they are delivered
Oh I misunderstood I thought the 24s were going to be taxed as 74s
Quote from: Mayfield on September 04, 2024, 08:34:33 PMOh I misunderstood I thought the 24s were going to be taxed as 74s
All the known registrations are on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Everything showing as a '24' plate on that page is now taxed, even if it hasn't been delivered yet, so won't be changing
Thanks for clarification
Slightly off topic, but has anyone seen page 4 of today's Metro?
I see someone altered the registration to E288 this morning on Bustimes who obviously hadn't actually seen the bus!
E231 at YW is the 95th of this batch of 170 to enter service
E295 into service today - number 96
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2024, 06:13:56 PME295 into service today - number 96
Misread that then and panicked a bit, dd on the 96 wouldn't end well
97 - E287 out this morning, once again, someone keen to edit bustimes who hasn't actually seen it putting the wrong registration in
98 - E292
once again on Bustimes someone rushing to be first had put an incorrect registration in!
E290 is having final checks at PB today and I am just waiting confirmation as to whether E286 can go to PB which would be number 100
E290 in service seen in digbeth
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on September 11, 2024, 04:34:30 PME290 in service seen in digbeth
It's not in service. PB don't run any services in Digbeth. It's actually filming an advert with the MD outside the coach station
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2024, 04:55:22 PMIt's not in service. PB don't run any services in Digbeth. It's actually filming an advert with the MD outside the coach station
Alright
With E334 listed on the fleetlist, and with Bus And Coach Expo coming up at the NEC in November, can we expect to see a new WM bus exhibited?
Quote from: Gareth on September 11, 2024, 11:12:59 PMWith E334 listed on the fleetlist, and with Bus And Coach Expo coming up at the NEC in November, can we expect to see a new WM bus exhibited?
Is this the same as E164 etc or different?
Five passengers asked to get off the 33 in the City centre, bus driver said "we are overloaded, I can't move" !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 12, 2024, 04:48:38 PMFive passengers asked to get off the 33 in the City centre, bus driver said "we are overloaded, I can't move" !
Exact reason why the 33 and 51 need a frequency increase! Should be back at every 8 minutes!
Quote from: B.C Driver on September 12, 2024, 12:03:27 PMIs this the same as E164 etc or different?
It's an ADL chassis rather than BYD
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 04:49:57 PMExact reason why the 33 and 51 need a frequency increase! Should be back at every 8 minutes!
every 8 minutes, that would be an increase of nearly 40% on running costs !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 12, 2024, 05:40:11 PMevery 8 minutes, that would be an increase of nearly 40% on running costs !
A solution that would help the current situation but yet you still moan about it!
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 05:44:44 PMA solution that would help the current situation but yet you still moan about it!
My original status which was:
Five passengers asked to get off the 33 in the City centre, bus driver said "we are overloaded, I can't move" !Where am I moaning ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 12, 2024, 05:57:19 PMMy original status which was:
Five passengers asked to get off the 33 in the City centre, bus driver said "we are overloaded, I can't move" !
Where am I moaning ?
Moaning about running costs over a frequency increase which would help the overcrowding. Either way, Electric or Platinum, they will both be overloaded no matter which type. A frequency increase will help them not having to be overfilling and passengers turfed off. An extra few seats won't make much difference, knowing how quickly the 33 and 51 fill up in the City Centre.
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 06:00:32 PMMoaning about running costs over a frequency increase which would help the overcrowding. Either way, Electric or Platinum, they will both be overloaded no matter which type. A frequency increase will help them not having to be overfilling and passengers turfed off. An extra few seats won't make much difference, knowing how quickly the 33 and 51 fill up in the City Centre.
That's stating a fact, not moaning. The 33 makes nowhere near 40% profit, so you cannot increase the costs by 40%
Quote from: Tony on September 12, 2024, 06:07:42 PMThat's stating a fact, not moaning. The 33 makes nowhere near 40% profit, so you cannot increase the costs by 40%
So it's alright for passengers to be told to get off then because these new Deckers can't handle the loads? A frequency increase is needed even if it's every 10 minutes.
Remind me how many years the 33 and 51 were every 8 minutes for?
Quote from: Tony on September 12, 2024, 06:07:42 PMThat's stating a fact, not moaning. The 33 makes nowhere near 40% profit, so you cannot increase the costs by 40%
Thank you Tony, like yourself I would love to see more buses but it's not as simple as that. We all know the biggest enemy of the bus industry is traffic congestion
e.g - my 907 uses (I think) 6 buses in peaks at a frequency of every 20 minutes. 20 years ago the 107 used to also use 6 buses in peaks but at a frequency of every 15 minutes.
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 06:10:32 PMSo it's alright for passengers to be told to get off then because these new Deckers can't handle the loads? A frequency increase is needed even if it's every 10 minutes.
Remind me how many years the 33 and 51 were every 8 minutes for?
And a 10 minute frequency is a lot cheaper than an 8 minute frequency. The 51 a quite short length of time. There is only a very short period of time when buses are even full, let alone not clearing. Whenever I catch one back during the day from Perry barr to City after dropping the electrics off you are lucky to see more than 40 passengers on a bus.
I notice various Perry Barr routes are running at lower frequencies since before the Electrics started. So there's a combination of less seats and less frequency!
Quote from: Straightlines on September 12, 2024, 06:45:30 PMI notice various Perry Barr routes are running at lower frequencies since before the Electrics started. So there's a combination of less seats and less frequency!
Only temporarily during September as usual. There's the usual step up from 29th September when Universities return
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 06:00:32 PMMoaning about running costs over a frequency increase which would help the overcrowding. Either way, Electric or Platinum, they will both be overloaded no matter which type. A frequency increase will help them not having to be overfilling and passengers turfed off. An extra few seats won't make much difference, knowing how quickly the 33 and 51 fill up in the City Centre.
Not being funny I use the 51 and X51 sometimes. The X51 can get busy around Half Severn and Eight from Walsall and the Cannock buses get busy coming out of the City if the Walsall one has not turned up or late. Due to the X51 and the plethora of other PB Services the 51 doesn't get busy it can be busy at times all Buses can, even the 79 can get full and standing.
You want full and filling up quick try getting the WN1 from Wolverhampton to Tettenhall or from Tettenhall to Wolves between 7.45 and 8.45 and 3PM and 4.30 that is the definition of getting busy quickly due to College and School Kids. In fact WN send loads of DD's up to Tettenhall of an afternoon and pretty much between 3 and 3.30 and 8 and 8.30 it is absolutely rammed. After that it empties out. The 51 by comparison doesn't get anywhere near as busy or fill up as Quick. The WN1 is also usually full before Wolves and the College Bus Stop and it is usually a rugby scrum to get on one.
The 51 used to be 8 minutes the 529 used to be every 7 I think it is about every 9 to 10 now, the 79 used to be every 8 then 30 then 20 then 15 then 12 then 10 then 8 then 12 now it is between 10 and 12 minutes. Services have had reductions, Costs have risen so the company can't operate as many buses as it used to be able to, there is a Driver shortage/Bus Shortage and Congestion and extended running times not NX's fault doesn't help so even if the 51 is every 8 minutes If the A34 gets snarled up or the M6 screwed or M5 or even A38 you might be waiting longer and when two buses turn up together a few people use there brain and get on the 1 behind realising actually this one will be less full it will overtake the 51 that is in front and will get to Walsall quicker, most people will just rush onto the first bus that turns up and hence it gets full quickly.
Quote from: Jack on September 12, 2024, 06:00:32 PMMoaning about running costs over a frequency increase which would help the overcrowding. Either way, Electric or Platinum, they will both be overloaded no matter which type. A frequency increase will help them not having to be overfilling and passengers turfed off. An extra few seats won't make much difference, knowing how quickly the 33 and 51 fill up in the City Centre.
The new electrics on the 33 have 12 seats fewer than the E400s they replace. At the current frequency that's 60 lost seats per hour. Or to put it another way, you need around 6 electrics to carry roughly the same amount of people as 5 E400s. That's a big difference, so I don't agree with the statement that a few extra seats won't make much difference.
I don't use the 33 but my local route (23) is already overcrowded in the evening peak from city, and the loss of 10-12 seats per bus on that route would make a big difference.
Would running peak time 33Es between City and Perry Barr help, could run in service between city and perry barr then private back to city, would be an extra bus per hour and without paying additional costs of upping the frequency of the whole route
Quote from: Lukeee on September 12, 2024, 11:55:42 PMWould running peak time 33Es between City and Perry Barr help, could run in service between city and perry barr then private back to city, would be an extra bus per hour and without paying additional costs of upping the frequency of the whole route
No, most passengers go beyond Perry Barr
Quote from: Mike K on September 12, 2024, 10:34:52 PMThe new electrics on the 33 have 12 seats fewer than the E400s they replace. At the current frequency that's 60 lost seats per hour. Or to put it another way, you need around 6 electrics to carry roughly the same amount of people as 5 E400s. That's a big difference, so I don't agree with the statement that a few extra seats won't make much difference.
I don't use the 33 but my local route (23) is already overcrowded in the evening peak from city, and the loss of 10-12 seats per bus on that route would make a big difference.
That's nuts , makes a mockery of the so called environmentally friendly nonsense
Quote from: Lukeee on September 12, 2024, 11:55:42 PMWould running peak time 33Es between City and Perry Barr help, could run in service between city and perry barr then private back to city, would be an extra bus per hour and without paying additional costs of upping the frequency of the whole route
There's the 51 and 907 that passengers could use as well if they're just going to Perry Barr.
Quote from: Mike K on September 12, 2024, 10:34:52 PMThe new electrics on the 33 have 12 seats fewer than the E400s they replace. At the current frequency that's 60 lost seats per hour. Or to put it another way, you need around 6 electrics to carry roughly the same amount of people as 5 E400s. That's a big difference, so I don't agree with the statement that a few extra seats won't make much difference.
I don't use the 33 but my local route (23) is already overcrowded in the evening peak from city, and the loss of 10-12 seats per bus on that route would make a big difference.
What's the point of buying buses with less seats,meaning more passengers trying to stand,then being turfed off because the bus can't move 🤔
Quote from: suavegarv on September 13, 2024, 11:54:13 PMWhat's the point of buying buses with less seats,meaning more passengers trying to stand,then being turfed off because the bus can't move 🤔
Because as already explained by Tony on here, most journeys are not full so it's not a major problem. If these vehicles are cheaper to run to compared to the higher capacity but older vehicles they replace then it's in the business' interest to do this and reduce costs.
Yes it may inconvenience a few passengers on certain peak hour trips but it's certainly not the major problem you make it out to be.
It inconveniences passengers when drivers tell lies about buses being full when they're not full
Quote from: Jay71 on September 14, 2024, 07:51:49 PMIt inconveniences passengers when drivers tell lies about buses being full when they're not full
I agree, many times they've said it and i've still walked on and found seats and space to stand at least. Either have some frequency increases or buy buses that can accommodate the inconvenient frequencies...
Quote from: j789 on September 14, 2024, 07:00:31 PMYes it may inconvenience a few passengers on certain peak hour trips
Yet the "peak hour trips" passengers usually pay the highest fares and those "few" passengers quickly find alternatives...
But oh I forget - passengers are an inconvenience to you!
Quote from: Jack on September 14, 2024, 07:57:13 PMI agree, many times they've said it and i've still walked on and found seats and space to stand at least. Either have some frequency increases or buy buses that can accommodate the inconvenient frequencies...
Tonight I went to get the 16 from Upper Dean St. Driver said that the bus was full. Counted six empty seats downstairs & about twelve empty seats upstairs
Quote from: Jay71 on September 14, 2024, 10:09:26 PMTonight I went to get the 16 from Upper Dean St. Driver said that the bus was full. Counted six empty seats downstairs & about twelve empty seats upstairs
When I was looking at the Northern rail franchise bid back in 2014 one of the enhancements we proposed was selective payload weighing on multiple units fitted with air suspension. This was a method of calculating loadings during operating diagrams.
Have the new buses got a similar laden weight indicator or alert that advises the driver when the bus thinks it's full, when it could be that some larger than average folk are on board, carrying rucksacks full of lead shot.
Quote from: Jack on September 14, 2024, 07:57:13 PMI agree, many times they've said it and i've still walked on and found seats and space to stand at least. Either have some frequency increases or buy buses that can accommodate the inconvenient frequencies...
So the driver has said the bus is full and you've still walked on... the words entitled spring to mind
Quote from: Lukeee on September 15, 2024, 02:12:59 AMSo the driver has said the bus is full and you've still walked on... the words entitled spring to mind
Considering empty seats are in full view and standing room is available like I just said then the drivers shouldn't be refusing passengers onboard. I'm not going to try and battle myself onto a bus that's clearly overcrowded and over capacity.
This does remind me of when I was in college taking the 72 bus. During the afternoon school rush, the buses usually got quite crowded as traffic along Lode Lane and the Wheatsheaf interchange gets rammed, causing them to get spaced out quite badly and heavily off timetable. Pretty much, two buses' worth of people at Solihull had to squeeze onto one bus.
Unfortunately, some quite liked to hang around the very front of the bus rather than taking seats on either deck, causing quite a bit of chaos up front. When we got to JLR, the staff coming off shift would get quite upset seeing a bus go past the stop despite seeing plenty of seats upstairs. As much as there are seats upstairs, it would have been extremely difficult to find your way on and off as the standees on the lower deck made it a maze to get through, no matter how many times the poor drivers told people to move back and sit down.
I think at the end of the day, it is the driver's responsibility to ensure the bus is being operated to a safe capacity. If anything happens due to overcrowding well beyond a safe limit, that will likely fall on their shoulders. A bit of common sense is also required. Like some have mentioned, it's probably not the greatest idea to try and push yourself onto an already rammed bus, as well as not being *that person* who stands at the front of a busy bus despite there being plenty of seats elsewhere. I do understand the newer E400EVs have a smaller capacity and the frequency of some services doesn't help, but there is a trade-off in trying to provide a somewhat profitable service whilst also meeting the environment goals set out by the council/TfWM. I'm sure as the battery technology and placement improves, future electric double decks will be able to have a similar floor space as the current diesel counterparts.
Quote from: Jack on September 15, 2024, 02:31:23 AMConsidering empty seats are in full view and standing room is available like I just said then the drivers shouldn't be refusing passengers onboard. I'm not going to try and battle myself onto a bus that's clearly overcrowded and over capacity.
Not to mention you are also paying, you ought to be "entitled" in that case.
Quote from: Jack on September 15, 2024, 02:31:23 AMConsidering empty seats are in full view and standing room is available like I just said then the drivers shouldn't be refusing passengers onboard. I'm not going to try and battle myself onto a bus that's clearly overcrowded and over capacity.
It's the drivers discretion as to how many passengers he/she feels is safe to carry (providing they don't exceed the maximum capacity)
Quote from: Lukeee on September 15, 2024, 10:24:50 PMIt's the drivers discretion as to how many passengers he/she feels is safe to carry (providing they don't exceed the maximum capacity)
How 'entitled' of them, to decide the bus is full when there are loads of empty seats!
Quote from: Lukeee on September 15, 2024, 10:24:50 PMIt's the drivers discretion as to how many passengers he/she feels is safe to carry (providing they don't exceed the maximum capacity)
Would you feel the same way if the bus has 5 people on it? that's how you sound right now, if it's at the driver's discretion and the driver says it's full with 5 people on it, do you think it's justified?
Quote from: jasmine on September 16, 2024, 12:26:19 AMWould you feel the same way if the bus has 5 people on it? that's how you sound right now, if it's at the driver's discretion and the driver says it's full with 5 people on it, do you think it's justified?
If a driver cannot see the empty seats from his cab, and has a safe standing capacity then he will refuse any more passengers.
In the cases above you are all presuming the driver knows he has empty seats
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2024, 06:00:18 AMIf a driver cannot see the empty seats from his cab, and has a safe standing capacity then he will refuse any more passengers.
In the cases above you are all presuming the driver knows he has empty seats
I thought they was all qualified drivers 😂
number 101 into service is E285
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2024, 08:40:40 AMnumber 101 into service is E285
I've not checked, but it would be neat if its inaugural working was the 101 trundle.
Quote from: The Real 4777 on September 16, 2024, 08:50:00 AMI've not checked, but it would be neat if its inaugural working was the 101 trundle.
16 unfortunately
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2024, 08:40:40 AMnumber 101 into service is E285
E291 has now followed into service today
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2024, 12:07:02 PME291 has now followed into service today
Well, any fule no that it won't be found operating the Clarence Road, Hillhook to Birmingham stage service!
(Note for young people, the 102 route was an ex-Midland Red bus service to a district of Sutton Coldfield)
And the Roughly 103rd has just come out on the 67 - E294
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2024, 02:17:40 PMAnd the Roughly 103rd has just come out on the 67 - E294
You'll be able to do that again with the 111th electric !
@Tony have the electircs got a longer wheelbase than the Platinums/61XX buses? I was in Solihull on Saturday night outside O'Neill's watching the buses turning right into the town centre and they seemed a tighter fit than the others.
Quote@Tony have the electircs got a longer wheelbase than the Platinums/61XX buses? I was in Solihull on Saturday night outside O'Neill's watching the buses turning right into the town centre and they seemed a tighter fit than the others.
They're certainly a 'tighter fit' downstairs at the back, couldn't believe the lack of space (my first time venturing there on a PB X3 earlier, usually go upstairs, or at the front for short hops). Seriously ridiculous, even a shortar$e would get a free serious headache trying standing up straight back there.
E298 into service, E293 at PB to be next
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2024, 10:55:46 AME298 into service, E293 at PB to be next
104 and 105, proper throwback routes!
Spotted another one being driven on trade plates down Watery Lane Middleway 2 mins ago
Quote from: mesub on September 18, 2024, 02:50:05 PMSpotted another one being driven on trade plates down Watery Lane Middleway 2 mins ago
E331 on delivery
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2024, 05:39:13 PME331 on delivery
just a general question whats happening with E235 - E250 & E258 - E284 ?
as E285 onwards & E307 onwards are jumping the cue (as it were)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on September 18, 2024, 05:57:35 PMjust a general question whats happening with E235 - E250 & E258 - E284 ?
as E285 onwards & E307 onwards are jumping the cue (as it were)
looks like the ones destined for PB are the main priority being put into service im guessing, the batches mentioned are heading to YW while 286 upwards are all for PB.
Isn't the next batch of new electrics due to arrive towards the end of the year? Guessing they'll be wright electroliners?
Might have been asked previously but any news on when E334 might arrive in West Midlands? Going to be a much photographed arrival.
Quote from: RW on September 19, 2024, 12:49:53 PMMight have been asked previously but any news on when E334 might arrive in West Midlands? Going to be a much photographed arrival.
NEC in November.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 18, 2024, 11:25:42 PMIsn't the next batch of new electrics due to arrive towards the end of the year? Guessing they'll be wright electroliners?
My guess is this will be a replacement order for the 100 or so Hydroliners!
Quote from: Abluhwleh on September 19, 2024, 07:55:59 PMMy guess is this will be a replacement order for the 100 or so Hydroliners!
They aren't having much success with the current Hydrogens due to Fuelling issues although now currently Fixed, Unless WA becomes a Hydrogen Garage I think it will be Electroliners and even then the Black Country Garages will be some of the last to get Electric Buses unless WA becomes the Garage where the Wright Products live the StreetDecks, the Hydroliners and Electroliners so Diesel, Hydrogen and Electric Wright Products at one Garage.
Quote from: RW on September 19, 2024, 12:49:53 PMMight have been asked previously but any news on when E334 might arrive in West Midlands? Going to be a much photographed arrival.
I was reading that ADL is placing E400EV 'seed' vehicles (vehicles made to operators' specifications, for longer term evaluation) with some of the major operators to try to generate orders. NXWM has been mentioned - I wonder if E334 is one of these? Here's a picture of one that will be joining First:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/54006475124/in/pool-14905900@N22/
Looks smart in the new First livery.
Quote from: Mike K on September 20, 2024, 10:30:41 PMI was reading that ADL is placing E400EV 'seed' vehicles (vehicles made to operators' specifications, for longer term evaluation) with some of the major operators to try to generate orders. NXWM has been mentioned - I wonder if E334 is one of these? Here's a picture of one that will be joining First:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/54006475124/in/pool-14905900@N22/
Looks smart in the new First livery.
I've heard Arriva will be receiving AR74ZEB. I wonder if E334 will end up as NX74ZEB?
Quote from: Mike K on September 20, 2024, 10:30:41 PMI was reading that ADL is placing E400EV 'seed' vehicles (vehicles made to operators' specifications, for longer term evaluation) with some of the major operators to try to generate orders. NXWM has been mentioned - I wonder if E334 is one of these? Here's a picture of one that will be joining First:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidsbusphotos/54006475124/in/pool-14905900@N22/
Looks smart in the new First livery.
If you look at the fleet list for the electrics on the main site, E334 is listed as a Alexander Dennis vehicle.
I was returning to the Wet Midlands on Monday morning when I passed a pair of dark grey Alexander Milfloats on the M6 southbound near Crewe. Both running on tradeplates.
No further comment really.
E330 has gone to Perry Barr today for first inspection, then entry into service. This should be the first '74' plate into service
Does anyone know how many EV's are left destined for PB garage as of now.
Quote from: JosephR on September 26, 2024, 10:22:40 PMDoes anyone know how many EV's are left destined for PB garage as of now.
With E330, I make that 95 E400EV's now at PB out of 116 total allocation.
Therefore, there should be 21 still left to enter service at PB.
Thanks for that information. with the last 7 diesel doubles took away from that equation that leaves 13 singles as surplus, could be more if we are going by the amount of seats replaced.
Quote from: winston on September 26, 2024, 11:01:51 PMWith E330, I make that 95 E400EV's now at PB out of 116 total allocation.
Therefore, there should be 21 still left to enter service at PB.
I've double-checked & I'm pretty sure I've had a ride on a total of 96 PB. So with E330, I think it's 97.
Cheers
Quote from: JosephR on September 26, 2024, 11:51:11 PMThanks for that information. with the last 7 diesel doubles took away from that equation that leaves 13 singles as surplus, could be more if we are going by the amount of seats replaced.
Would that be enough for the Inner Circle maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2024, 09:44:13 AMWould that be enough for the Inner Circle maybe?
Maybe, but certainly enough to remove the 'surplus' of single decks and stop them being used on busy double-deck services.
Quote from: MK on September 27, 2024, 09:33:01 AMI've double-checked & I'm pretty sure I've had a ride on a total of 96 PB. So with E330, I think it's 97.
Cheers
That's correct.
I've just taken E325 to PB as their 98th
E303 will be going to PB shortly to be their 99th
E232 & E239 have gone to Coventry for use there due to them taking on two emergency school contracts from another operator
QuoteE303 will be going to PB shortly to be their 99th
E232 & E239 have gone to Coventry for use there due to them taking on two emergency school contracts from another operator
Are Yardley wood closer to having more electrics in service?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 27, 2024, 03:49:21 PMAre Yardley wood closer to having more electrics in service?
I suspect the prolonged Stratford Road closure might be having an impact, as the diversion route of the 2 and 3 requires use of single deckers.
As its a shorter diversion, outside of peak times, both the 2 and 3 are running remarkably reliably, compared to the 4, 5 and 6.
Or maybe it's just delays with getting additional chargers installed and commissioned.
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2024, 12:28:21 PMThat's correct.
I've just taken E325 to PB as their 98th
I either can't count or have missed one entering service then....🤔
Quote from: winston on September 27, 2024, 07:52:09 PMI either can't count or have missed one entering service then....🤔
E164 - E180
E182 - E230
E285 - E288
E290 - E296
E298
E303
E306 - E317
E319 - E325
E330
E326 & E327 should both be ready to go to BC on Monday
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2024, 09:02:08 PME164 - E180
E182 - E230
E285 - E288
E290 - E296
E298
E303
E306 - E317
E319 - E325
E330
E326 & E327 should both be ready to go to BC on Monday
Thanks for that Boss, I've 99 now @ PB
Electric bus is on the Innercircle
That's literally impossible
Quote from: Jack6101 on September 29, 2024, 08:14:41 AMElectric bus is on the Innercircle
All four buses currently on the 8A and 8C are electric double decks.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on September 29, 2024, 08:32:22 AMThat's literally impossible
Not impossible at all, with lower PVRs on Sunday, PB have spare double decks, so it makes sense to use them instead of OmniLinks.
The BYD E400EVs will fit under the low bridge on Highgate Road.
https://bustimes.org/services/8a-birmingham-inner-circle-anticlockwise-2#map. Electric buses on 8a
Quote from: Stu on September 29, 2024, 09:59:34 AMAll four buses currently on the 8A and 8C are electric double decks.
Not impossible at all, with lower PVRs on Sunday, PB have spare double decks, so it makes sense to use them instead of OmniLinks.
The BYD E400EVs will fit under the low bridge on Highgate Road.
How high are they?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on September 29, 2024, 10:51:47 AMHow high are they?
14'2" exactly the same height as Platinums.
What's the chances of a decker ending up on the 8 if enough spare on Saturday or when all electric buses are at Perry Barr 1 ending up in the week or is the rule single deckers & Sunday electric bus
Quote from: Solo1 on September 29, 2024, 11:09:23 AMWhat's the chances of a decker ending up on the 8 if enough spare on Saturday or when all electric buses are at Perry Barr 1 ending up in the week or is the rule single deckers & Sunday electric bus
The 8 will be classed as a double deck route 7 days a week, but at the moment with 17 electrics still to arrive at PB it makes sense to carry on using Scanias on there, not anywhere else on a weekday
When the rest are delivered id imagine more Scaniaa would be taken out of service??
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on September 29, 2024, 11:22:30 AMWhen the rest are delivered id imagine more Scaniaa would be taken out of service??
That's the best news ever, bye bye Scanias
QuoteThat's the best news ever, bye bye Scanias
I never understood the hate with scania's, their great buses
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 11:35:40 AMI never understood the hate with scania's, their great buses
Try 43 seats on a journey needed 73, and a lot of those 43 seats mean knees are against the seat in front.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 29, 2024, 11:24:37 AMThat's the best news ever, bye bye Scanias
I'd imagine PB keeping some for the 28, 71 and 96 because they go under low bridges that the electrics can't go under.
QuoteTry 43 seats on a journey needed 73, and a lot of those 43 seats mean knees are against the seat in front.
Other than comfort wise their pretty good
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 12:14:51 PMOther than comfort wise their pretty good
Comfort is one of the most important things if you want passengers!
They also rotted quite quickly an parts are expensive
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 12:14:51 PMOther than comfort wise their pretty good
They're rubbish, they are uncomfortable, they're noisy and they're cramped
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 12:14:51 PMOther than comfort wise their pretty good
basically the whole passenger experience on them is just not up to standard tbh, cramped,leaking roofs,often smell like oil and fuel in the back, would take a B7RLE over one any day of the week. only a streetlite is worse from my experience tbh.
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 11:35:40 AMI never understood the hate with scania's, their great buses
They're virtually bombproof. Never been on a Scania that's broken down subsequently when I've been on one.
It was about time for a bit of change on the inner circle. The omnilinks were faithful, but were always rammed during peak hours.
Quote from: markcf83 on September 29, 2024, 02:20:48 PMThey're virtually bombproof. Never been on a Scania that's broken down subsequently when I've been on one.
They're not, they are the lower end of the reliability stakes, all the withdrawals in the last two years have been due do breakdowns needing expensive repairs.
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2024, 02:36:40 PMThey're not, they are the lower end of the reliability stakes, all the withdrawals in the last two years have been due do breakdowns needing expensive repairs.
Like 1920,1914 etc...
I suppose the 'best' examples will be kept until they drop?
I would happily take a Scania over a B7 anyday. The constant moaning about Scania's is very tiresome. I don't hear the same notion with garages that have way too many B7's on Decker routes. The B7's legroom is hardly an improvement either.
Also the Urban 2's must be the most have the most boring sound. Nothing compared to the Urban 1's. The E200MMC's aren't anything of an improvement either!
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2024, 08:33:37 PMI would happily take a Scania over a B7 anyday. The constant moaning about Scania's is very tiresome. I don't hear the same notion with garages that have way too many B7's on Decker routes. The B7's legroom is hardly an improvement either.
Also the Urban 2's must be the most have the most boring sound. Nothing compared to the Urban 1's. The E200MMC's aren't anything of an improvement either!
The B7s are the most reliable diesel bus in the fleet and when a major unit fails it's a surprise, not expected like a Scania. Both the Volvo chassis and the Wrights body have very little rot on them. Even simple things like a skirt panel for an eclipse can be made at West Bromwich's sheet metal shop in house cheaply where a Scania skirt panel is a complicated design that has to be bought in and is expensive.
Quote from: EK40 on September 29, 2024, 12:39:19 PMbasically the whole passenger experience on them is just not up to standard tbh, cramped,leaking roofs,often smell like oil and fuel in the back, would take a B7RLE over one any day of the week. only a streetlite is worse from my experience tbh.
Streetlite is nicer to drive than an omnilink, a shame really as scania make some decent coaches compared to the buses
QuoteI would happily take a Scania over a B7 anyday. The constant moaning about Scania's is very tiresome. I don't hear the same notion with garages that have way too many B7's on Decker routes. The B7's legroom is hardly an improvement either.
Also the Urban 2's must be the most have the most boring sound. Nothing compared to the Urban 1's. The E200MMC's aren't anything of an improvement either!
Those E200MMCs are the most underpowered and sluggish buses ever, I'd happily take a scania and be somewhere a few minutes quicker and pull out of red lights on time rather than 5 minutes later
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2024, 11:43:54 PMThose E200MMCs are the most underpowered and sluggish buses ever, I'd happily take a scania and be somewhere a few minutes quicker and pull out of red lights on time rather than 5 minutes later
And given the enthusiasm of traffic management companies to install a contraflow system for a 1cm infringement of a pavement these days, you're never more than 100 yards from a 3-way traffic light.
I jest, but only slightly.
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2024, 08:33:37 PMI would happily take a Scania over a B7 anyday. The constant moaning about Scania's is very tiresome. I don't hear the same notion with garages that have way too many B7's on Decker routes. The B7's legroom is hardly an improvement either.
Also the Urban 2's must be the most have the most boring sound. Nothing compared to the Urban 1's. The E200MMC's aren't anything of an improvement either!
A ZF Ecomat happily beats a rubbish ecolife that's adapted to euro 6 anyday.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on September 30, 2024, 07:51:11 AMA ZF Ecomat happily beats a rubbish ecolife that's adapted to euro 6 anyday.
Gearboxes aren't adapted to Euro 6.
E326 and E327 now at PB, E327 was straight in for first inspection so may be out tomorrow morning.
Three of the parked up YW ones may enter service at BC tomorrow on the 1875 if they can be prepared in time
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2024, 03:53:12 PME326 and E327 now at PB, E327 was straight in for first inspection so may be out tomorrow morning.
Three of the parked up YW ones may enter service at BC tomorrow on the 1875 if they can be prepared in time
If they enter service on time, will they sneak onto other routes or stay on the 1875?
Quote from: TGZac on September 30, 2024, 05:42:15 PMIf they enter service on time, will they sneak onto other routes or stay on the 1875?
definitely no other routes. No charging facility for more than occasional use, and drivers not trained on them
What's the 1875 ?
Quote from: Mayfield on September 30, 2024, 06:05:10 PMWhat's the 1875 ?
It's the new shuttle bus from Birmingham to the Birmingham city football ground
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2024, 11:18:03 AMThe 8 will be classed as a double deck route 7 days a week, but at the moment with 17 electrics still to arrive at PB it makes sense to carry on using Scanias on there, not anywhere else on a weekday
Not sure they got the memo given the multiple Omnilinks on the 16 and 67 today!
First WM electric is on X1 today, not sure fleet number
Quote from: BBS on September 30, 2024, 06:46:22 PMFirst WM electric is on X1 today, not sure fleet number
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=334565
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2024, 06:52:51 PMhttps://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=334565
They both ended up on the X1 this afternoon, so could be either!
Quote from: Straightlines on September 30, 2024, 06:23:25 PMNot sure they got the memo given the multiple Omnilinks on the 16 and 67 today!
i was so shocked lmao, at one point bustimes said there was more omnilinks on the 16 than e400's
Quote from: jasmine on September 30, 2024, 07:39:06 PMi was so shocked lmao, at one point bustimes said there was more omnilinks on the 16 than e400's
Some people might have gotten a bit nostalgic - "ah the good old days" of toothpaste-liveried Scanias new to the 16. :azn:
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2024, 07:46:41 PMSome people might have gotten a bit nostalgic - "ah the good old days" of toothpaste-liveried Scanias new to the 16. :azn:
yeah nostalgia hits like a truck i am already missing the orange 16's and they've only just left!!!
Very very strange seeing Milkfloats on the no8 route I had to look twice at springhill island , I haven't seen deckers on there since hockley garage days with metrobuses
Quote from: 2900 on September 30, 2024, 08:26:14 PMVery very strange seeing Milkfloats on the no8 route I had to look twice at springhill island , I haven't seen deckers on there since hockley garage days with metrobuses
Definitely a rare sight! I got slightly confused when I first saw it at Belgrave Middleway (by the McDonalds)
E303 & E326 are now in service
E328 & E331 have gone to PB today
No electrics on the 1875 tonight, but a start on getting 3 ready for Saturday is being done tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2024, 08:21:00 AME303 & E326 are now in service
Was E326 on the 101 today
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 01, 2024, 07:56:13 PMWas E326 on the 101 today
When a bus isn't tracking I can only see where it is. And it is currently in Perry Barr garage
Thanks for that, I need to locate my bus pass and I don't know if a driver has picked it up I believe it is on this bus but I can't contact them as it's closed and have no other way of getting to college
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 01, 2024, 08:16:35 PMThanks for that, I need to locate my bus pass and I don't know if a driver has picked it up I believe it is on this bus but I can't contact them as it's closed and have no other way of getting to college
If you know what time you caught the bus someone at PB might be able to find out what veichle was on that journey, or ask the Driver of that journey did they find anything on the Veichle or the driver who took it over after the driver of your journey if they swapped over after
Presumably E334, when delivered, will be the last of the current order for EV's. What comes next in the context of EV's or will there be a pause for NXWM to catch its breath?
QuotePresumably E334, when delivered, will be the last of the current order for EV's. What comes next in the context of EV's or will there be a pause for NXWM to catch its breath?
130 more due rumoured to be wrights electroliners
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on October 02, 2024, 10:59:02 AMIf you know what time you caught the bus someone at PB might be able to find out what veichle was on that journey, or ask the Driver of that journey did they find anything on the Veichle or the driver who took it over after the driver of your journey if they swapped over after
I am going to the garage to ask. I also know that it was E326 as it was the only E3xx bus that was going towards Handsworth at the time of me catching it.
It occurred to me earlier, whilst sat behind E2xx at a respectful distance, that the 'Zero Emissions at the tailpipe' slogan actually makes no sense.
For starters, we have exhaust pipes in this country, but moreover, an electrical bus doesn't have an exhaust pipe, so the claim is factually impossible.
Quote from: The Real 4777 on October 02, 2024, 07:58:08 PMIt occurred to me earlier, whilst sat behind E2xx at a respectful distance, that the 'Zero Emissions at the tailpipe' slogan actually makes no sense.
For starters, we have exhaust pipes in this country, but moreover, an electrical bus doesn't have an exhaust pipe, so the claim is factually impossible.
That's the joke lol, it's not meant to be factual. it's meant to make you think this, it's irony.
Quote from: jasmine on October 02, 2024, 08:43:09 PMThat's the joke lol, it's not meant to be factual. it's meant to make you think this, it's irony.
If so, the irony is pretty dark (appropriately) when the production emissions in China are considered.
Quote from: The Real 4777 on October 02, 2024, 08:49:31 PMIf so, the irony is pretty dark (appropriately) when the production emissions in China are considered.
I very highly doubt that the average person thinks about China when reading the adverts on the back of a bus. Maybe you, though.
Quote from: jasmine on October 03, 2024, 12:01:28 AMI very highly doubt that the average person thinks about China when reading the adverts on the back of a bus. Maybe you, though.
Of course they don't. Which is why scams like Net Zero carry on.
E300 and E302 now at PB, both possibly out this afternoon, neither will track
I find it amazing you can't can a tracker working before it enters service not as if there being rushed in to service, have E127 & 143 at Coventry ever tracked
Quote from: Mayfield on October 03, 2024, 01:00:59 PMI find it amazing you can't can a tracker working before it enters service not as if there being rushed in to service, have E127 & 143 at Coventry ever tracked
Nope, their trackers don't work and haven't worked since they entered service.
117 of the latest batch are now in service
Here's the locations of the other 53 earlier tonight. E332 should now be at BC
| PB | BC | WA | WN | Aston | MS | ADL | not del |
| E237 | E234 | E244 | E238 | E245 | E248 | E181 | E289 |
| E273 | E242 | E246 | E240 | E254 | E258 | | E304 |
| E329 | E277 | E247 | E241 | E269 | E267 | | E332 |
| E297 | E249 | E243 | E274 | E268 | | |
| E299 | E250 | E259 | E276 | E278 | | |
| E301 | E260 | E261 | E279 | E282 | | |
| E305 | E262 | E263 | | E284 | | |
| E318 | E265 | E264 | | | | |
| E333 | E266 | E270 | | | | |
| | E271 | E272 | | | | |
| | E275 | E280 | | | | |
| | E283 | E281 | | | | |
I don't know if 'Emily' or 'Bus_Guy' usernames on Bustimes are on here, but I can assure you that none of E241-E333 have ever carried, or formally allocated any other registration, so how many times former registrations are added to these vehicles I will carry on deleting them.
Yes Zenobe are issued blocks of registrations the same as all vehicle dealers are, but until they tell the DVSA they are just that, dealer blocks of registrations. Up to E240 are different as they did have plates applied by Alexander Dennis.
@Tony, Thanks for the updates on the electric buses. However, is there any news you are able to share on when YW's infrastructure will be in place to enable more of their electric buses to enter service? I'm presuming this will trigger other changes including Trident and further Scania withdrawals. Also curious to see what happens with the 4718 batch of E400s.
Which garage comes next after YW for electric conversion, or is it a 'secret' ?
Will the other off lease zenobe electric vehicles make a comeback (E004,E017,E018)?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 05, 2024, 08:44:51 AMWill the other off lease zenobe electric vehicles make a comeback (E004,E017,E018)?
Yes at some point
Where are they and the other 5 Zenobe ones Coventry.
QuoteWhere are they and the other 5 Zenobe ones Coventry.
Only E004 E017 E018 and Z4008 are there
saw Zenobe Z4004 yesterday in Kings Heath, apart from the fact she had at least 5 different colours of grey patchwork paint, there was not a single straight body panel on the drivers side, was she being used for Stock Car Training ??
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 05, 2024, 05:11:48 PMsaw Zenobe Z4004 yesterday in Kings Heath, apart from the fact she had at least 5 different colours of grey patchwork paint, there was not a single straight body panel on the drivers side, was she being used for Stock Car Training ??
I don't think so. Z4004 is currently parked at Roberts in hugglescote
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2024, 05:14:59 PMI don't think so. Z4004 is currently parked at Roberts in hugglescote
Fpmsl Brilliant 😂
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2024, 05:14:59 PMI don't think so. Z4004 is currently parked at Roberts in hugglescote
well if it wasnt Z4004 it certainly seemed to have Z40?4 on it is there a Z4014 ?
maybe somebody forgot to tell you, it wasa around 3pm last friday
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 08, 2024, 03:24:00 PMwell if it wasnt Z4004 it certainly seemed to have Z40?4 on it is there a Z4014 ?
maybe somebody forgot to tell you, it wasa around 3pm last friday
It doesn't currently have an MoT, and no, there isn't a Z4014
Quote from: Tony on October 08, 2024, 03:28:56 PMIt doesn't currently have an MoT, and no, there isn't a Z4014
well it looked like Z4004 i take your word for it you should know, its the first Zenobe ive seen
granted i was late getting to the studio so may not have been as observant as i thought, im not disputing it, obviously although it was Z400 we do not know the actual identity, but in that state, it cant be hard for you to confirm which one it was
E233 is in Solihull currently not in service. I don't know if anyone is able to add it on bus times or it's not ready yet
E281 has gone to Perry Barr today that's 112 there now.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 08, 2024, 04:28:00 PME233 is in Solihull currently not in service. I don't know if anyone is able to add it on bus times or it's not ready yet
One does not simply "add a bus to BusTimes". :rolleyes:
QuoteThis is not a fleet list. It's a list of National Express West Midlands ticket machines, created as a by-product of the live bus tracking system.
When buses are first used in service - and if the tracking equipment is working - then they'll appear on BusTimes. And then everyone can race to update the details, and argue and bicker over reg numbers and livery names.
Quote from: Stu on October 15, 2024, 06:59:38 PMOne does not simply "add a bus to BusTimes". :rolleyes:
When buses are first used in service - and if the tracking equipment is working - then they'll appear on BusTimes. And then everyone can race to update the details, and argue and bicker over reg numbers and livery names.
I can see that's the case on bus times anyway
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2024, 05:42:52 PME281 has gone to Perry Barr today that's 112 there now.
Would I be correct in assuming that E280-E284 have been diverted to PB from YW as was initially planned?
Quote from: cardew on October 16, 2024, 08:49:46 AMWould I be correct in assuming that E280-E284 have been diverted to PB from YW as was initially planned?
Yes
E282 & E284 have gone to PB today making 114 there
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2024, 05:49:24 PME282 & E284 have gone to PB today making 114 there
Will they be returned to YW when the other PB vehicles are ready for service? (noting E181 will be somewhat later).
E235 seen on the 60
I was thinking about that the other day. Has an electric bus been on a service that has been to Chelmsley Wood yet? I don't recall seeing one.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 16, 2024, 08:07:22 PMI was thinking about that the other day. Has an electric bus been on a service that has been to Chelmsley Wood yet? I don't recall seeing one.
Not NX services. As PB deckers don't go to Chelmsley Wood anymore.
Diamond maybe 30804/05 may have been on the 96 at some point.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 16, 2024, 08:07:22 PMI was thinking about that the other day. Has an electric bus been on a service that has been to Chelmsley Wood yet? I don't recall seeing one.
You might be waiting a while to see that! :laugh:
At present, only CV, PB and YW have electric buses. Neither CV or YW operate any services in Chelmsley Wood, and PB's 71 and 96 services to Chelmsley Wood are restricted to single-deck use anyway.
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2024, 07:37:37 PMBC are not using any on normal service
Driver Must've displayed 60 on accident then
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 16, 2024, 08:25:00 PMDriver Must've displayed 60 on accident then
YW drivers cannot display 60, I think you must have misread 50 which is the route it has been on today
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 16, 2024, 07:24:52 PME235 seen on the 60
According to bus times it was on the 50 all day
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2024, 08:27:48 PMYW drivers cannot display 60, I think you must have misread 50 which is the route it has been on today
Yeah my bad think I did
Quote from: 2206 on October 16, 2024, 08:16:05 PMNot NX services. As PB deckers don't go to Chelmsley Wood anymore.
Diamond maybe 30804/05 may have been on the 96 at some point.
The Diamond Electric MAN's have made appearances on the 96.
Quote from: Jack on October 16, 2024, 10:57:14 PMThe Diamond Electric MAN's have made appearances on the 96.
I am pretty certain it did on the first couple of weeks when centros and urbans was the main allocation to that route.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 16, 2024, 11:25:37 PMI am pretty certain it did on the first couple of weeks when centros and urbans was the main allocation to that route.
They did make random appearances throughout their whole time on the 96. The Electrics met the tender rules so was alllwd to.
In all fairness, I'm not too worried about the Chelmsley corridor not getting electrics. The E400MMCs from Perry Barr are being trickled down into the other garages, including BC and AG, so we're still getting newer buses, relative to what we've had previously.
Presumably E334 is well along the ADL construction line, or may already be available. So given the rumour that it's first appearance will be at the NEC in November will it be delivered direct to that venue or via, say, Birmingham Central, assuming of course the rumour is true.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 16, 2024, 11:25:37 PMI am pretty certain it did on the first couple of weeks when centros and urbans was the main allocation to that route.
One made it to the airport last year on the 96
Quote from: RW on October 17, 2024, 06:17:31 PMPresumably E334 is well along the ADL construction line, or may already be available. So given the rumour that it's first appearance will be at the NEC in November will it be delivered direct to that venue or via, say, Birmingham Central, assuming of course the rumour is true.
What is so special about that one? I've seen it mentioned a few times now.
Is it a new generation E400EV (I.E non BYD?)
Quote from: MW on October 17, 2024, 11:48:38 PMWhat is so special about that one? I've seen it mentioned a few times now.
Is it a new generation E400EV (I.E non BYD?)
Judging by Tony's website it looks to be the new generation ADL EV
QuoteJudging by Tony's website it looks to be the new generation ADL EV
A seed vehicle
Quote from: jasmine on October 18, 2024, 04:30:54 PMmeaning?
Posts 1022 and 1023 in this thread discussed this point
Quote from: Mike K on October 18, 2024, 05:11:40 PMPosts 1022 and 1023 in this thread discussed this point
thank you
E277/E237 both football service this evening
E246 is another that will initially enter service at Coventry, currently being prepared at PB
Is the switch on at YW soon?
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 23, 2024, 03:18:08 PMIs the switch on at YW soon?
Needs to happen quicker, some of the tridents are asking to be scrapped. (4623 as an example)
QuoteNeeds to happen quicker, some of the tridents are asking to be scrapped. (4623 as an example)
Their not asking to be scrapped, your asking them to be scrapped
Quote from: BBS on October 23, 2024, 05:59:51 PMTheir not asking to be scrapped, your asking them to be scrapped
No, I'm just saying some of them seem knackered, I love tridents and don't want them to go but I can tell there seeing their age now
How many electrics are due to still come for all garages?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on October 25, 2024, 08:00:36 AMHow many electrics are due to still come for all garages?
PB have 114 out of 116 in service
YW have 10 out of 54 in service
Do electrics from E034 onwards have the bio filter inside the bus?
E237 & E277 are both on the football service to St Andrews again tonight
With E181 still at ADL for repairs, and YW still waiting for more power E278 has gone to PB for service to make them up to the 116 planned fleet.
E258 is due to go to YW for service tomorrow.
When will the Perry Barr electric buses E299 301/4/5/ Start tracking
Quote from: Solo1 on October 31, 2024, 02:09:15 PMWhen will the Perry Barr electric buses E299 301/4/5/ Start tracking
As soon as we can get the kit to work, same as other non tracking buses. There is a concerted effort going on at the moment to reduce the number of non-trackers
Quote from: Solo1 on October 31, 2024, 02:09:15 PMWhen will the Perry Barr electric buses E299 301/4/5/ Start tracking
E301 hasn't tracked, because it hasn't been in service yet!
E304 & E305 haven't tracked because they are parked in Miller Street and won't be going to Perry Barr
Quote from: Tony on October 31, 2024, 12:24:12 PME258 is due to go to YW for service tomorrow.
Are they not far away from putting the extra chargers into use at YW or have they been commissioned for use now?
Quote from: markcf83 on October 31, 2024, 03:51:17 PMAre they not far away from putting the extra chargers into use at YW or have they been commissioned for use now?
All the kit is now fitted, just the legalities over the supply to finish.
E269 is also going to YW today and should be in service next week
E278 into service on the 907 tonight, that's the 130th to carry passengers
When most electrics are delivered to YW will the E400 MMCs stay at YW or will they be moved like with what happened at PB?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 02, 2024, 10:24:39 AMWhen most electrics are delivered to YW will the E400 MMCs stay at YW or will they be moved like with what happened at PB?
Don't expect an answer (usual rule that people ignore applies)
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2024, 02:04:22 PMAll the kit is now fitted, just the legalities over the supply to finish.
E269 is also going to YW today and should be in service next week
I see.Thanks for that;guessing their introduction isn't that far off then.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 02, 2024, 10:24:39 AMWhen most electrics are delivered to YW will the E400 MMCs stay at YW or will they be moved like with what happened at PB?
Why would they move out E400MMCs when there are Tridents and OmniLinks that need getting rid of?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 02, 2024, 10:24:39 AMWhen most electrics are delivered to YW will the E400 MMCs stay at YW or will they be moved like with what happened at PB?
Hopefully the omnilinks will be first out of the door, Quite frequent I see them decker boards (ie 49 & 76)
"National Express West Midlands invests record £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses
We are investing £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses, for delivery by the end of December 2024. The buses will be deployed across the West Midlands"
This was a order from around Jan 2023. I heard 170 were E400EV's and 130 were Electroliners. With not even 1 Electroliner delivered, the target is surely missed right?
Quote from: Axsn24 on November 03, 2024, 06:39:03 PM"National Express West Midlands invests record £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses
We are investing £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses, for delivery by the end of December 2024. The buses will be deployed across the West Midlands"
This was a order from around Jan 2023. I heard 170 were E400EV's and 130 were Electroliners. With not even 1 Electroliner delivered, the target is surely missed right?
Why can't you just be patient and just wait ?
Quote from: Axsn24 on November 03, 2024, 06:39:03 PM"National Express West Midlands invests record £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses
We are investing £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses, for delivery by the end of December 2024. The buses will be deployed across the West Midlands"
This was a order from around Jan 2023. I heard 170 were E400EV's and 130 were Electroliners. With not even 1 Electroliner delivered, the target is surely missed right?
Jan 2023 was a long time ago now, lets just say that things didn't go to plan, and situations and circumstances have caused delays.
Quote from: Stu on November 03, 2024, 06:53:32 PMJan 2023 was a long time ago now, lets just say that things didn't go to plan, and situations and circumstances have caused delays.
So 130 electroliners are definitely ordered and should be seeing some soon. Nice
Quote from: Stu on November 03, 2024, 06:53:32 PMJan 2023 was a long time ago now, lets just say that things didn't go to plan, and situations and circumstances have caused delays.
You should consider a career as their spokesperson!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 03, 2024, 06:42:14 PMWhy can't you just be patient and just wait ?
I am, just curious when they'll come as it's quite a significant delay. Since some garages have VERY old buses
Quote from: Axsn24 on November 03, 2024, 07:56:17 PMI am, just curious when they'll come as it's quite a significant delay. Since some garages have VERY old buses
The delay is out of NX's control, I've been interested in buses for nearly fifty years, in most of that time period there were delays with new bus deliveries, we had it with the fleetlines in the 1970's, the Mk 2A Metrobuses in the late 1980's and there were other occasions as well. It is not an unusual occurrence.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 03, 2024, 08:15:45 PMThe delay is out of NX's control, I've been interested in buses for nearly fifty years, in most of that time period there were delays with new bus deliveries, we had it with the fleetlines in the 1970's, the Mk 2A Metrobuses in the late 1980's and there were other occasions as well. It is not an unusual occurrence.
Ah I see. It's just that I haven't really seen much conformation the 130 buses are electroliners, so was curious what replaces the wolverhampton garage buses. Thanks tho
At the moment the charging infrastructure in garages has been failing to keep up with deliveries and would unlikely be ready for the initial timescales quoted for the orders.
Quote from: Axsn24 on November 03, 2024, 06:39:03 PM"National Express West Midlands invests record £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses
We are investing £150 million in 300 UK-made electric zero emission buses, for delivery by the end of December 2024. The buses will be deployed across the West Midlands"
This was a order from around Jan 2023. I heard 170 were E400EV's and 130 were Electroliners. With not even 1 Electroliner delivered, the target is surely missed right?
There isn't a pinch of salt large enough to accompany most transport press releases especially when infrastructure is involved.
Back in January 2023, WMCA said that 124 zero-emission ZEBRA funded vehicles (including 24 for Sprint) would also be in service by the end of 2024.
The latest Sprint timeframe as mentioned in the Agenda Pack for this month's WMCA Transport Meeting is... a "handover phase" lasting pretty much the whole of 2026.
And as for the other hundred, who knows?
Quote from: Stu on November 02, 2024, 02:47:51 PMWhy would they move out E400MMCs when there are Tridents and OmniLinks that need getting rid of?
AG still need to oust four E3 Geminis and assuming 6995 and 6997 are also intended to go there from BC, maybe just a handful of E400MMC's could move out from YW to accommodate this. As ever, just a guess.
Three electrics entered normal service for the first time today
E258 & E269 at YW along with E237 doing the X21 duplicate at BC.
E242 & E277 should both see use at BC in the next couple of days.
All 116 at PB have now seen use except E301 which is having problems getting the radio to work
As pensnett is the only garage not mentioned to have any of the current batch on order that being wolves Walsall and West Brom
When and if we get any will we get brand new ones or early run in hand me downs ?
any sign of AG being fitted for electrics ?
(stupid question really i guess the answer is bound to no)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 14, 2024, 03:19:16 PMany sign of AG being fitted for electrics ?
(stupid question really i guess the answer is bound to no)
Well, strange I have seen all the drawings even showing the diesel pumps removed for AG garage to go electric
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 14, 2024, 03:19:16 PMany sign of AG being fitted for electrics ?
(stupid question really i guess the answer is bound to no)
My guy loves his home garage alot.
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2024, 03:29:35 PMWell, strange I have seen all the drawings even showing the diesel pumps removed for AG garage to go electric
The trouble is that some people expect all this to happen overnight. :rolleyes:
Quote from: karl724223 on November 14, 2024, 02:48:41 PMAs pensnett is the only garage not mentioned to have any of the current batch on order that being wolves Walsall and West Brom
When and if we get any will we get brand new ones or early run in hand me downs ?
I'd happily take a PN diesel over any electric.
Quote from: karl724223 on November 14, 2024, 02:48:41 PMAs pensnett is the only garage not mentioned to have any of the current batch on order that being wolves Walsall and West Brom
When and if we get any will we get brand new ones or early run in hand me downs ?
Isn't Pensnett the likely hydrogen garage (presuming it can be got to work reliably fairly soon)? Suitable for a fuelling plant as well? Gas a plenty 😀👍
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2024, 03:29:35 PMWell, strange I have seen all the drawings even showing the diesel pumps removed for AG garage to go electric
theyre actually going to do it ?
blimey ill hang the bunting up then :grin:
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 15, 2024, 01:28:14 PMtheyre actually going to do it ?
blimey ill hang the bunting up then :grin:
Probably not until next year though, so I'd hold off on the bunting for now.
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2024, 01:39:37 PMProbably not until next year though, so I'd hold off on the bunting for now.
:grin: :grin: :grin: :cool:
Out of the 301 electrics currently allocated to garages none are currently defective!
Only vehicles not available for service this afternoon are
CV - E020; E062 (both due to RTC)
YW - E012; E252 (both due to RTC)
PB - E301 (waiting radio fitting); E171 (broken window - vandalism); E165; E221; E285; E331 (RTC damage)
I would say that's pretty good going
Quote from: Mayfield on November 15, 2024, 04:47:59 PMI would say that's pretty good going
Besides the fact ones already been VANDALIZED
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 02:52:55 PMOut of the 301 electrics currently allocated to garages none are currently defective!
Only vehicles not available for service this afternoon are
CV - E020; E062 (both due to RTC)
YW - E012; E252 (both due to RTC)
PB - E301 (waiting radio fitting); E171 (broken window - vandalism); E165; E221; E285; E331 (RTC damage)
Ah, I was wondering why E012 hadn't been out for a while!
It might seem an insignificant number in the grand scheme of things, but still 8 new buses out of action due to RTCs seems a lot. But not surprising judging by the standard of driving nowadays. (And before anyone jumps on me I'm not talking about bus drivers!)
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 15, 2024, 04:57:23 PMBesides the fact ones already been VANDALIZED
Unfortunately several windows are broken every single day. Electric buses are not exempt
The attached photo of stupid driving might explain the number of vehicles involved in RTCs. 5 vehicles driving on the wrong side of the road in Digbeth
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 05:04:03 PMThe attached photo of stupid driving might explain the number of vehicles involved in RTCs. 5 vehicles driving on the wrong side of the road in Digbeth
Is that Digbeth? That bus lane looks new, those cars are all on the wrong side of the road?
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2024, 05:11:44 PMIs that Digbeth? That bus lane looks new, those cars are all on the wrong side of the road?
Correct on both counts
Unfortunately the amount of illegal street racing doesn't help either
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 15, 2024, 05:22:28 PMUnfortunately the amount of illegal street racing doesn't help either
Those cars aren't street racing though :rolleyes:
That's just ignoring the new road layout - it's been a few weeks since I last travelled into the city and I don't remember that bus lane being there. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot trying to be clever for other unwitting motorists to just follow them and do the same!
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2024, 05:34:35 PMThose cars aren't street racing though :rolleyes:
That's just ignoring the new road layout - it's been a few weeks since I last travelled into the city and I don't remember that bus lane being there. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot trying to be clever for other unwitting motorists to just follow them and do the same!
Biggest idiot though is the Taxi driver who is allowed in the bus lane but still drives on the wrong side of the road.
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 05:38:10 PMBiggest idiot though is the Taxi driver who is allowed in the bus lane but still drives on the wrong side of the road.
The level of intelligence of taxi drivers is a joke mostly Uber Wolverhampton plated taxi / private hire cars
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 05:04:03 PMThe attached photo of stupid driving might explain the number of vehicles involved in RTCs. 5 vehicles driving on the wrong side of the road in Digbeth
If that's a bus lane where are the cars supposed to go
A rare foray into Brum for me yesterday and the Electric Buses really do make Birmingham worthy of its 2nd City status. Spent a bit of time in Oxford recently and the Go Ahead Electrics are nice to be on. Sure there were a few tatty and worn vehicles on display in Brum but with the modern trams as well as newish platinum's together with the Electrics, they do raise the status of the City Centre I think. The older buses in Walsall reflect the worn out look of the town centre. I reckon the new electrics give Birmingham City Centre as a whole a lift.
Quote from: Mayfield on November 15, 2024, 06:09:45 PMIf that's a bus lane where are the cars supposed to go
So it's OK for them to drive into oncoming traffic?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on November 15, 2024, 05:22:28 PMUnfortunately the amount of illegal street racing doesn't help either
That usually happens at night when buses are either aren't running or are reduced. And it has been banned now.
Quote from: Mayfield on November 15, 2024, 06:09:45 PMIf that's a bus lane where are the cars supposed to go
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 06:25:01 PMSo it's OK for them to drive into oncoming traffic?
It's a good question, I think they meant where should the 'general traffic' be being routed away from this bus lane.
I will have to go and investigate for myself; I assume traffic should be going via Alcester Street onto Bradford Street.
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2024, 07:04:15 PMIt's a good question, I think they meant where should the 'general traffic' be being routed away from this bus lane.
I will have to go and investigate for myself; I assume traffic should be going via Alcester Street onto Bradford Street.
That is the aim when all the work is complete.
There's also a short section of Bus Lane outbound after Floodgate Street to stop through traffic using Digbeth and High Street Deritend, but allows vehicles access to all properties.
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2024, 05:34:35 PMThose cars aren't street racing though :rolleyes:
That's just ignoring the new road layout - it's been a few weeks since I last travelled into the city and I don't remember that bus lane being there. Unfortunately it only takes one idiot trying to be clever for other unwitting motorists to just follow them and do the same!
Ever since the layout their changed it's quite common to see car drivers not familiar with it and driving in the wrong lanes until something is in oncoming and forcing them over. Now I think the thick white line for the bus lane has come and they are thinking that's buses only and need to drive in the other lane!
how about NO ENTRY EXCEPT BUSES, mind you doesn't stop them on Corporation Street :angel:
I don't think we have forgotten the infamous small heath highway and coventry road either? The known place for cars using bus lanes and have absolutely no care for rules
E328 has some not working LEDs on the front blind
According to London bus news NX74ZEB is at PB,I presume this will be E334.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on November 16, 2024, 12:36:03 PMAccording to London bus news NX74ZEB is at PB,I presume this will be E334.
definitely not physically there yet
Quote from: Tony on November 15, 2024, 07:14:00 PMThat is the aim when all the work is complete.
There's also a short section of Bus Lane outbound after Floodgate Street to stop through traffic using Digbeth and High Street Deritend, but allows vehicles access to all properties.
I live in Digbeth and all kinds of anti car plans to force people onto the ring road and make streets including where the my apartment is, one way. Got to love BCC and there continual ability to waste tax payers money. Rant over.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 16, 2024, 02:24:10 PMI live in Digbeth and all kinds of anti car plans to force people onto the ring road and make streets including where the my apartment is, one way. Got to love BCC and there continual ability to waste tax payers money. Rant over.
It's a good thing to force cars out of the City Centre, will make the City Centre easier for buses to get in/out of.
So E334 will be NX74 ZEB! Like the reg - Zero Emission Bus, I presume.
I apologise if this is a stupid question but I've heard it mentioned a lot so I'm wondering, what is E334?
Quote from: B7RLE on November 16, 2024, 09:46:29 PMI apologise if this is a stupid question but I've heard it mentioned a lot so I'm wondering, what is E334?
it's a ADL enviro400EV
Quote from: B7RLE on November 16, 2024, 09:46:29 PMI apologise if this is a stupid question but I've heard it mentioned a lot so I'm wondering, what is E334?
ADL E400EV seed vehicle, kinda like a demo but its built for a specific operator in their spec.
Arriva has AR74 ZEB (Currently at leicester)
Stagecoach has SC74 ZEB (Currently at Dunfermline)
First has FB74 ZEB (Currently at Doncaster)
Go Ahead has GA74 ZEB (Not in service yet, but at GSC.)
then now national express should get NX74 ZEB, to be E334.
E301 finally entered service last night after complications fitting the radio, so PB now has a full allocation of the planned 116 buses
What's the update on Yardley Woods new batch of electrics? Are they all in service now?
Quote from: BBS on December 08, 2024, 12:45:16 PMWhat's the update on Yardley Woods new batch of electrics? Are they all in service now?
No.
Quote from: EK40 on November 16, 2024, 10:13:51 PMADL E400EV seed vehicle, kinda like a demo but its built for a specific operator in their spec.
Arriva has AR74 ZEB (Currently at leicester)
Stagecoach has SC74 ZEB (Currently at Dunfermline)
First has FB74 ZEB (Currently at Doncaster)
Go Ahead has GA74 ZEB (Not in service yet, but at GSC.)
then now national express should get NX74 ZEB, to be E334.
A couple of pictures of NX74ZEB have appeared on Flickr
https://flic.kr/p/2qyJRvu
https://flic.kr/p/2qyzvzc
Noticed that E004, E017, and E018 are back on the list at Bustimes.org. Someone did post a comment on facebook that they were back at YW. Is this true?
Quote from: darthdc on December 14, 2024, 09:21:01 AMNoticed that E004, E017, and E018 are back on the list at Bustimes.org. Someone did post a comment on facebook that they were back at YW. Is this true?
Tony is user '1503' on BusTimes, so if he's added them back to the list, then its not false.
I don't know if they are physically back at YW yet, but I understand they are due to go there and back in service in January.
Just checked - Tony did add the back to the list. I've just never seen E004 and E017, and want to add them to my photo album - I snapped E018 back in 2020.
Quote from: darthdc on December 14, 2024, 10:33:08 AMJust checked - Tony did add the back to the list. I've just never seen E004 and E017, and want to add them to my photo album - I snapped E018 back in 2020.
You'll get an opportunity soon!
Quote from: darthdc on December 14, 2024, 10:33:08 AMJust checked - Tony did add the back to the list. I've just never seen E004 and E017, and want to add them to my photo album - I snapped E018 back in 2020.
They are both inside Coventry garage waiting to be presented for MoT
QuoteThey are both inside Coventry garage waiting to be presented for MoT
Believe I saw one of them on the other side of CV garage yesterday by the swanswell pool side
Report in the Times saying Glasgow's electrics are grinding to a holt as the battery charge doesn't last in the very cold weather, probably as exaggeration
Quote from: Mayfield on December 16, 2024, 06:53:18 PMReport in the Times saying Glasgow's electrics are grinding to a holt as the battery charge doesn't last in the very cold weather, probably as exaggeration
Yes, Mileage is less per charge in cold weather, you just need decent scheduling to take that into account
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2024, 06:54:50 PMYes, Mileage is less per charge in cold weather, you just need decent scheduling to take that into account
I imagine the heating system uses a fair bit more energy when its on all the time.
Range does drop significantly in cold weather, but this is nothing new and bus companies must be fully aware of this. Again, can't speak for buses but I currently have an EV car and the range has dropped off by around 25% in winter weather compared to summer.
Don't know if this is the reason why but batteries in general just, perform worse in adverse weather
QuoteDon't know if this is the reason why but batteries in general just, perform worse in adverse weather
It's the same with mobile devices, when it's colder, the battery dies faster
The Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries
i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 18, 2024, 05:58:24 PMThe Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries
i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards
London buses at 8 years old still aren't a problem, replacing a set of batteries is hardly a problem the cost is similar to replacing an engine and gearbox on some buses and that has to be done several times on some buses.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 18, 2024, 05:58:24 PMThe Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries
i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards
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you also do realize that the world is rapidly shifting toward renewable energy? the completed change will happen sooner or later, it's best to be prepared for it instead of being sorry when it comes.
not sure why people find it an issue, it's a bus, if it gets you from a to b at a respectable time (which is irrelevant to how the bus is powered), what's your beef with it?
also, technology advances at a commensurate and exponential rate. look at where we were 10 years ago with EVs compared to today, look in 10 or 20 years time, it'll be insane the leaps and bounds society will take, you can observe the same phenomenon in mobile phones, camera technology, communication technology, medical technology, you name it, and you can see how far we've come from where we were 20 years ago, the same is going to (it already is) happen with EV's.
the technology can only be improved if what we have now is used, that's how it works, you figure out how to improve something the more it's used, the more its used the more you observe it and figure out how to make it work better. you can't just decide to bin off the technology because it's not "perfect" right now from the get-go, imagine if the world had this attitude in the past when it came to flight, motorized propulsion, new sources of energy, etc.
do you really think the very first fossil fuel powered vehicle was the most efficient transport solution on earth? no, it wasn't. how did people make it become one of the most efficient transport solutions? by using it, and refining it. let time run it's course on EV's and the same thing will happen.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 18, 2024, 05:58:24 PMThe Technology / Infrastructure just isnt ready, its all too soon, you wait & see, it will all go pair shaped yet, so its holding its own at the moment, as the Batteries age, the range will come down, then the expensive bit of changing Batteries
i watched a programme the other day 100 years of buses, we havent advanced at all, just gone backwards, Trams & Trolley Buses were not efficient, Diesel was move forward to the 21st Century, Trams a hold everything up up all the time because roads arent wide enough, Electric Buses (modern version of the trolley bus) & Hydrogen Buses you cant use, IMHO its not been thought through we are going backwards
The Bus industry is better than the Car Industry, Buses are kept on Private land so they can fit the infrastructure, cars are usually charged at home to, but when your on a drive you need to charge in public that causes issues that you can't build enough chargers, hence EV Car sales have stalled, EV Buses are still strong as they are proving more reliable than diesel buses and have better infrastructure, PB is a prime example they are making all there Electric's work, ask anyone 2 years ago if they thought an entire NX Garage would be totally electric there would have been mixed responses some would have said yes, most probably no as back then people still thought you might have needed Diesel to back them up. I don't like the push for Green myself, I believe the older folks should have figured out a solution for Climate Change years before I was born, hence me then being able to see as a child a cool looking Electric Car rather a 5.0 Litre Supercharged V8 F-Type Jag as my Dream Car, I could have been riding Electric Buses rather than Diesel's, but I do think somewhat Electric Buses are good, they are cleaner, better and probably cheaper for NX to use, if Franchising doesn't materlise here, if them being cheaper to run means eventually cheaper fares that benefits me and my family.
Do people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion.
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 19, 2024, 03:43:09 PMDo people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion.
This is one of my arguments about it, but I get Electric Buses in a way, but I also think maybe we should like into Biofuel and Green No Oil Petrol that the Germans are working on
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 19, 2024, 03:43:09 PMDo people not realise that the manufacturing and sourcing of materials for the batteries requires high amounts of energy and emits tons of CO2 and let's not forget about when they do eventually die, very difficult to recycle and not cost effective either so will therefore most likely end up in landfills causing more pollution. Hardly renewable or good for the environment in my opinion.
Batteries are firstly reusable for static storage, and also easily recyclable (over 90%) and sourcing the materials is easier and uses less CO2 than sourcing oil which is 0% recyclable.
You appear to have been taken in by some of the regular internet lies
Oil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...
Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham
This 'debate' is almost impossible to have in a balanced way. It reminds me of the Battle for The Science that occurred in 2020, when it was clear that certain loud voices had preferential bandwidth over others who were, shall we say, rather more sceptical or enquiring over the fuller, broader or bigger picture.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 20, 2024, 12:55:12 PMOil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...
Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham
Oil you have burned for movement cannot be recycled
QuoteOil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...
Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham
AG doesn't have any electric vehicles
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2024, 01:54:54 PMOil you have burned for movement cannot be recycled
yes that was my point once the oil has been used and cleaned it can be burned therefore it is recycled from its original single use, obviously once something is burned its life ends
Quote from: BBS on December 20, 2024, 01:56:54 PMAG doesn't have any electric vehicles
This is true, but eventually they will BC / YW / AG being best placed to run on the X1 with least dead mileage
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 24, 2024, 12:09:05 AMThis is true, but eventually they will BC / YW / AG being best placed to run on the X1 with least dead mileage
I think most of the running boards start and finish at Pool Meadow. And the garage is right next to it.
In comparison to that there would be more dead mileage running dead from Pool Meadow or even from the other end at Moor Street to Yardley Wood.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 20, 2024, 12:55:12 PMtake the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty
Since Coventry took over the working of the X1 dead millage has been reduced to near 0.
The twilight (overnight duty) does the 00:04 from Coventry then the short journeys and returns as the 3am (4am on Sundays) back to Coventry.
The only dead millage is the 2 services that start from Birmingham Airport in the evening peaks (14:56 and 16:07 iirc) and coming back when the 23:45 service terminates at Birmingham Airport. The morning peak services (07:00/20) are ran by BC.
Obviously there has been a lot of dead millage over Sunday and football match days but that's just to readjust the service and regulate it so there isn't a large gap. But BC used to do this a lot with the X1 and still do with other routes.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on December 24, 2024, 04:07:59 AMSince Coventry took over the working of the X1 dead millage has been reduced to near 0.
The twilight (overnight duty) does the 00:04 from Coventry then the short journeys and returns as the 3am (4am on Sundays) back to Coventry.
The only dead millage is the 2 services that start from Birmingham Airport in the evening peaks (14:56 and 16:07 iirc) and coming back when the 23:45 service terminates at Birmingham Airport. The morning peak services (07:00/20) are ran by BC.
Obviously there has been a lot of dead millage over Sunday and football match days but that's just to readjust the service and regulate it so there isn't a large gap. But BC used to do this a lot with the X1 and still do with other routes.
Coventry only lost the 900/X1 back In 2000 due to severe driver shortage. Coventry was the most suitable place to run it. It passed to Acocks Green 4 boards October 1999 then the remaining 5 September 2000. AG would pass 900 to Walsall October 2001 due to driver shortage. highest drad mileage then Coventry to Walsall.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on December 20, 2024, 12:55:12 PMOil can in a way be recycled, as Coal is now banned (except imported) oil can be reused to power that which is powered by Coal, Steam has been around longer than anything if its coal powered it can be converted to run on waste oil, which, is then obviously burned...
Im not against Electric vehicles but its old technology, milk trucks were / are ? powered by electric since the war, back in the 70's a knew a guy that worked for Bedford he used to bring home electric Bedford CF Vans capable of 70mph, but its the range, take the X1 as a point, running empty from from Coventry to Birmingham to start a duty, i dont know if the same happens in reverse but it probably does, these journeys could be covered by BC /AG /YW, start from Coventry with no dead mileage and use Birmingham garage / garages for journeys starting in Birmingham
Although many milk floats were indeed battery powered, many were also petrol powered. My family's milkman used a variety of diesel or petrol powered milk vans as did his independent rival.
E005 now has price branding and electric 6 branding removed
So where is E334 surely not still lurking in the shadows at Falkirk Coach Works? Surely has to come into the light at some point in time!
QuoteSo where is E334 surely not still lurking in the shadows at Falkirk Coach Works? Surely has to come into the light at some point in time!
There been pictures of it parked up, Nothing after that though
Where's E254? Bustimes.org last shows it on the 5 at AG back in Novemmber, but she must be elsewhere now.
QuoteWhere's E254? Bustimes.org last shows it on the 5 at AG back in Novemmber, but she must be elsewhere now.
That's the tracker either reset or a new tracker it's reset to AG it hasnt done the 5
Quote from: darthdc on December 29, 2024, 01:46:15 PMWhere's E254? Bustimes.org last shows it on the 5 at AG back in Novemmber, but she must be elsewhere now.
The answers in tony's vehicles away from home garage thread - in storage at miller street still waiting to go to yw
What's the hold up on yardley wood electrics? They been sitting in storage for a while now havent they
Quote from: BBS on December 30, 2024, 01:30:08 PMWhat's the hold up on yardley wood electrics? They been sitting in storage for a while now havent they
Isn't something to do with the chargers not enough fitted yet? Unless I have missed something?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 30, 2024, 03:37:24 PMIsn't something to do with the chargers not enough fitted yet? Unless I have missed something
Beginning of November Tony said chargers were installed but waiting for the legalities for the power supply. Quite some legalities there (not apportioning blame).
Quote from: cardew on December 30, 2024, 04:46:16 PMBeginning of November Tony said chargers were installed but waiting for the legalities for the power supply. Quite some legalities there (not apportioning blame).
It'll turn into a similar thing to the Hydrogen fleet. Where people get shut down for asking what's happening and no one is allowed to blame anyone.
Indeed - I suspect there are issues with this. Notwithstanding the fact YW is leased, no doubt TfWM's recent stated intention to buy all the bus garages in the region over a four year period (and Simon Dunn having stated in another thread they have been approached re Tividale), the potential complexities of charging facilities provided by a third party for lease by NXWM, in a leased facility that yet another party wants to buy at some stage boggles the mind!
I wouldn't expect this subject to be one for which any official info might be forthcoming, if, indeed this is the source of the delay.
Let's hope the situation can be freed up asap so the whole 170 batch of electrics (minus those placed into the Zenobe spare fleet) can enter service and replace most of the old deckers remaining.
As there is both the Zenobe fleet with 'Z' prefixes & the NX fleet with 'E' prefixes that are allocated to the Zenobe spares pool, is there actually any difference between the future use of each set of vehicles?
Cheers ... Richard
Quote from: Wibble on January 05, 2025, 09:02:30 PMAs there is both the Zenobe fleet with 'Z' prefixes & the NX fleet with 'E' prefixes that are allocated to the Zenobe spares pool, is there actually any difference between the future use of each set of vehicles?
Cheers ... Richard
I believe they are all the same, zenobe will switch them out with ones in the NX fleet as when they need too as per the contract between the two companies, Alongs as Zenobe provides the correct amount of buses, it doesn't matter which ones get used I think?
I am still waiting for more YW vehicles to emerge I would also like to know
where the listed Zenobe spare vehicles are currently kept? .. several weeks ago Z4003/009/010 were at the back of the employees car park at central and clearly
visible from the road..as Pics from Tony had shown. in addition Z4008 was parked under the road overbridge at Coventry a few weeks ago ...personally I just wish they would change the regular YW vehicles 001/006/007 currently in use on the 6 services and replace them with a few of the others? pref Z002/004/005 ..which I have not seen. where are they stored? are they visible without trespass???
Quote from: windy miller on January 08, 2025, 08:59:09 PMI am still waiting for more YW vehicles to emerge I would also like to know
where the listed Zenobe spare vehicles are currently kept? .. several weeks ago Z4003/009/010 were at the back of the employees car park at central and clearly
visible from the road..as Pics from Tony had shown. in addition Z4008 was parked under the road overbridge at Coventry a few weeks ago ...personally I just wish they would change the regular YW vehicles 001/006/007 currently in use on the 6 services and replace them with a few of the others? pref Z002/004/005 ..which I have not seen. where are they stored? are they visible without trespass???
Tony has answered your question in the Yardley Wood thread
Saw a price branded E400EV on Stratford road with no front number plate. Anyone know who it was?
Quote from: BBS on January 09, 2025, 07:01:33 PMSaw a price branded E400EV on Stratford road with no front number plate. Anyone know who it was?
It did have a number plate, it was in the front windscreen, no idea which one you saw, but one of two going to YW for first inspection, surely if you were close enough to see where the registration should be you could see the fleet number?
QuoteIt did have a number plate, it was in the front windscreen, no idea which one you saw, but one of two going to YW for first inspection, surely if you were close enough to see where the registration should be you could see the fleet number?
Nope, it passed by pretty quick while I was on a bus
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2025, 07:20:46 PMIt did have a number plate, it was in the front windscreen, no idea which one you saw, but one of two going to YW for first inspection, surely if you were close enough to see where the registration should be you could see the fleet number?
He should've gone to Specsavers 😀🤣 I would have said Barnard Castle but as well as being an elderly political joke, the A66 was closed owing to snow last time I looked 😲
Any updates on E004/E017/E018? Last I heard was that they were awaiting MOTs.
Quote from: darthdc on January 09, 2025, 10:39:22 PMAny updates on E004/E017/E018? Last I heard was that they were awaiting MOTs.
Not a lot going on with them at the moment. All 3 are still at cov
The 10 selected to go into service next are
E244; E245; E248; E249; E254; E262; E268; E274; E276 & E279
Quote from: darthdc on January 09, 2025, 10:39:22 PMAny updates on E004/E017/E018? Last I heard was that they were awaiting MOTs.
EO18 MOT June 25 the other 2 expired
Apparently from what I heard on discord NX may be considering purchasing Volvo 7900Es, can someone give any info if they're allowed?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on January 10, 2025, 04:56:12 PMApparently from what I heard on discord NX may be considering purchasing Volvo 7900Es, can someone give any info if they're allowed?
Which is strange as Volvo don't even offer the 7900E
Is there any update on E334
E006 and E013 debranded from 6 branding
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on January 11, 2025, 12:41:02 PME006 and E013 debranded from 6 branding
I assume that E006 is now plain old E00.
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 10, 2025, 09:46:08 PMIs there any update on E334
Presumably still sulking in the corner of a yard at Falkirk Coach Works.
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on January 10, 2025, 04:56:12 PMApparently from what I heard on discord NX may be considering purchasing Volvo 7900Es, can someone give any info if they're allowed?
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2025, 05:10:11 PMWhich is strange as Volvo don't even offer the 7900E
Not any more, the 7900E has been replaced by the BZL bodied by MCV?
Where is E334 Tony does anybody know? Still to head South to West Midlands?
Quote from: RW on January 16, 2025, 05:13:26 PMWhere is E334 Tony does anybody know? Still to head South to West Midlands?
I am sure when it gets delivered it won't be a secret.
I wonder when the next set of electric are due E335+ (rumoured wright electroliners)
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 16, 2025, 09:07:03 PMI wonder when the next set of electric are due E335+ (rumoured wright electroliners)
Have they actually been ordered?
If they haven't, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any new buses anytime soon.
QuoteHave they actually been ordered?
If they haven't, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any new buses anytime soon.
The additional zebra funding for 130 (30 for sprint) buses that were supposed to be hydrogen bus but I think might have changed
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 17, 2025, 12:27:34 AMThe additional zebra funding for 130 (30 for sprint) buses that were supposed to be hydrogen bus but I think might have changed
Based on the January 2023 NX announcement of 300, 130 are outstanding in addition to the 124 ZEBRA vehicles. Things may have changed. Graphs in the franchising document show NX are expected to have 600 Zero Emission buses in service in 2027.
Out of interest, the ZEBRA funding was awarded nearly three years ago. Is there a deadline for delivery or risk of withdrawal?
Pensnett gettin any stripey osses then out this zebra fund
QuotePensnett gettin any stripey osses then out this zebra fund
Have they discovered electricity down the funny farm? :grin:
Quote from: Dom on January 18, 2025, 09:26:05 AMHave they discovered electricity down the funny farm? :grin:
Using the neighbours leccy
Quote from: karl724223 on January 17, 2025, 09:34:24 AMPensnett gettin any stripey osses then out this zebra fund
No chap, yowm on Shanks's powney, ay ya!
Quote from: Wumpty on January 18, 2025, 11:46:04 AMNo chap, yowm on Shanks's powney, ay ya!
We're having pit ponys
Any timeline when pensnett might get a sniff of a leccy fleet new or second hand from other garages ??
Quote from: karl724223 on January 21, 2025, 01:58:25 PMAny timeline when pensnett might get a sniff of a leccy fleet new or second hand from other garages ??
Wasn't in said that pensnett won't be getting electric vehicles due to the trading estate not approving of the chargers or somthing like that or am I wrong.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 16, 2025, 09:07:03 PMI wonder when the next set of electric are due E335+ (rumoured wright electroliners)
Do you think there are actually any due, if so where are they going, which garage is currently being electrified ready to accept them, they haven't even managed to get all of the previous order in service yet, bit of a joke really like the hydrogens.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 21, 2025, 03:56:57 PMWasn't in said that pensnett won't be getting electric vehicles due to the trading estate not approving of the chargers or somthing like that or am I wrong.
Are the WMCA sorting out a new site for Dudley operations, because I'd be very surprised whoever, if not Nx, that eventually does the routes around there, would be prepared to operate under such restrictions.
(In fact, it's only in the last few years, Nx has been able to operate buses out of Pensnett on Boxing Day hasnt it, because it couldn't be accessed, services being operated from elsewhere. I'm sure 'someone' will correct me if I'm wrong?)
In fact, with all the hills in Dudley, I'd be interested to see how electric vehicles cope?
Those of you with Malcolm Keeley's book, will remember a bit about some Daimler engined Fleetlines being swopped with Gardner engined ones, due to the fuel consumption.
Quote from: Mayfield on January 26, 2025, 08:37:15 AMDo you think there are actually any due, if so where are they going, which garage is currently being electrified ready to accept them, they haven't even managed to get all of the previous order in service yet, bit of a joke really like the hydrogens.
Yes, 130 more buses are on order with delivery due to start midyear
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 10:03:50 AMAre the WMCA sorting out a new site for Dudley operations, because I'd be very surprised whoever, if not Nx, that eventually does the routes around there, would be prepared to operate under such restrictions.
(In fact, it's only in the last few years, Nx has been able to operate buses out of Pensnett on Boxing Day hasnt it, because it couldn't be accessed, services being operated from elsewhere. I'm sure 'someone' will correct me if I'm wrong?)
In fact, with all the hills in Dudley, I'd be interested to see how electric vehicles cope?
Those of you with Malcolm Keeley's book, will remember a bit about some Daimler engined Fleetlines being swopped with Gardner engined ones, due to the fuel consumption.
Yes, it's called peartree depot. Junction of peartree Lane and Pedmore road.
All the info is in the WMCA document published
Quote from: Mayfield on January 26, 2025, 08:37:15 AMDo you think there are actually any due, if so where are they going, which garage is currently being electrified ready to accept them, they haven't even managed to get all of the previous order in service yet, bit of a joke really like the hydrogens.
Yes, there are build slots for them. However, doubt an6 will be on the road this year.
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2025, 10:08:39 AMYes, 130 more buses are on order with delivery due to start midyear
According to your fleetlist, there are approximatley around 60 double deckers between 4476 and 4696 which I would think would be gone upon the arrival of the new electrics, would it mean more Omnilinks will go soon after ?
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 10:03:50 AMIn fact, with all the hills in Dudley, I'd be interested to see how electric vehicles cope?
The go up hills better than most diesels I have driven.
You do realise there's hills in most parts of the country tht operate electric buses?
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 10:03:50 AMAre the WMCA sorting out a new site for Dudley operations, because I'd be very surprised whoever, if not Nx, that eventually does the routes around there, would be prepared to operate under such restrictions.
(In fact, it's only in the last few years, Nx has been able to operate buses out of Pensnett on Boxing Day hasnt it, because it couldn't be accessed, services being operated from elsewhere. I'm sure 'someone' will correct me if I'm wrong?)
In fact, with all the hills in Dudley, I'd be interested to see how electric vehicles cope?
Those of you with Malcolm Keeley's book, will remember a bit about some Daimler engined Fleetlines being swopped with Gardner engined ones, due to the fuel consumption.
@Westy they were 0.680 engines in the fleetlines some moving to Yardley Wood
Quote from: BN on January 26, 2025, 10:56:37 AMYes, it's called peartree depot. Junction of peartree Lane and Pedmore road.
All the info is in the WMCA document published
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 10:03:50 AMAre the WMCA sorting out a new site for Dudley operations, because I'd be very surprised whoever, if not Nx, that eventually does the routes around there, would be prepared to operate under such restrictions.
(In fact, it's only in the last few years, Nx has been able to operate buses out of Pensnett on Boxing Day hasnt it, because it couldn't be accessed, services being operated from elsewhere. I'm sure 'someone' will correct me if I'm wrong?)
In fact, with all the hills in Dudley, I'd be interested to see how electric vehicles cope?
Those of you with Malcolm Keeley's book, will remember a bit about some Daimler engined Fleetlines being swopped with Gardner engined ones, due to the fuel consumption.
Yes your wrong as usual pensnett been doing boxing day work for quite a few years now
So new garage will be Nxwm holly hall ?
Garage code HL ?
Quote from: karl724223 on January 26, 2025, 04:15:47 PMYes your wrong as usual pensnett been doing boxing day work for quite a few years now
So new garage will be Nxwm holly hall ?
Garage code HL ?
Surely there was an issue with Boxing Day working out of Pensnett in the past?
Sure it's been mentioned in the past on this forum?
Well the 'someone' had to be you or Tony, didnt it?
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 04:44:34 PMSurely there was an issue with Boxing Day working out of Pensnett in the past?
Sure it's been mentioned in the past on this forum?
Well the 'someone' had to be you or Tony, didnt it?
When Boxing Day work first started pensnett work was run from West Brom as it was cheaper to run from one garage but as Boxing Day work got longer it was run from pensnett
Don't know where you got your info from wasn't me
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2025, 10:08:39 AMYes, 130 more buses are on order with delivery due to start midyear
Manufactured by ?
QuoteManufactured by ?
Wright bus :grin: :grin: :grin:
QuoteThe go up hills better than most diesels I have driven.
You do realise there's hills in most parts of the country tht operate electric buses?
The BYDs manage to do the moor street hill more quicker than the e40ds
Quote from: BBS on January 26, 2025, 09:41:31 PMThe BYDs manage to do the moor street hill more quicker than the e40ds
They do, they are good at any incline and trump any diesel bus at that.
Quote from: karl724223 on January 26, 2025, 04:47:42 PMWhen Boxing Day work first started pensnett work was run from West Brom as it was cheaper to run from one garage but as Boxing Day work got longer it was run from pensnett
Don't know where you got your info from wasn't me
That's what I was thinking of, but I thought Pensnett was unable to be accessed on Boxing Day originally?
(And I didnt say I got it from you!)
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2025, 10:06:39 PMThat's what I was thinking of, but I thought Pensnett was unable to be accessed on Boxing Day originally?
(And I didnt say I got it from you!)
More brains in a rocking oss
Read your quote
It had to be you or Tony your words
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/54191744098/
Here's a picture of E334 in case someone wants to see it
It'll be there until they flip over to 25 plates at this rate lol.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2025, 06:06:44 PMIt'll be there until they flip over to 25 plates at this rate lol.
The linked photo was taken in December, has probably moved on since, where though is anyone's guess! :rolleyes:
There will probably be a Mk 2 version available before NX manage to get this 1 in service
Quote from: Mayfield on February 04, 2025, 10:28:45 PMThere will probably be a Mk 2 version available before NX manage to get this 1 in service
Are WMNX short of a few bob to put in the meter to charge E334's batteries for the journey down South?
Quote from: RW on February 04, 2025, 10:49:13 PMAre WMNX short of a few bob to put in the meter to charge E334's batteries for the journey down South?
Any sign yet? I'm beginning to wonder whether the photo we all saw of E334 sulking in the corner of a yard somewhere in Scotland was AI generated and it doesn't really exist. If not it must be one of the longest delivery timetables on record!
Quote from: RW on March 05, 2025, 09:48:16 AMAny sign yet? I'm beginning to wonder whether the photo we all saw of E334 sulking in the corner of a yard somewhere in Scotland was AI generated and it doesn't really exist. If not it must be one of the longest delivery timetables on record!
even if it does get delivered its anybodys guess when it will hit service, there are still so many sitting around - cant see the 2030 target being met at this rate, garages still not capable of taking these buses yet...
does it still count if you actually have them but they are not in service yet
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on March 05, 2025, 10:25:47 PMCan't see the 2030 target being met at this rate, garages still not capable of taking these buses yet...
does it still count if you actually have them but they are not in service yet
In my opinion it will not be met.
Probably won't be an issue for N X by then
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2025, 06:06:44 PMIt'll be there until they flip over to 25 plates at this rate lol.
Prediction turned out accurate.
Perhaps ADL can't see the point in I assume loaning it to N X as unlikely to place any orders in the near future.
NX74ZEB does not exist on DVLA records, I would guess it's never coming.
Quote from: Mayfield on March 06, 2025, 09:53:51 PMNX74ZEB does not exist on DVLA records, I would guess it's never coming.
What a surprise, if true. 2030? No chance!
QuoteNX74ZEB does not exist on DVLA records, I would guess it's never coming.
Probably because it's more than likely to receive a '25' plate??
Quote from: RW on March 06, 2025, 10:01:55 PMWhat a surprise, if true. 2030? No chance!
Why would NX now bother to place hundreds of new EV's in to service, when they potentially face losing large chunks / all of their WM commercial bus busines to competitors, due to the Mayors decision to proceed with franchising in two years.
The future of Mobico's UK Bus business has fundamentally changed since announcing the 2030 target to remove all diesels.
That said, once franchise awards are known, large EV orders are likely to be included as part of winning bids.
Quote from: winston on March 06, 2025, 11:39:38 PMWhy would NX now bother to place hundreds of new EV's in to service, when they potentially face losing large chunks / all of their WM commercial bus busines to competitors, due to the Mayors decision to proceed with franchising in two years.
The future of Mobico's UK Bus business has fundamentally changed since announcing the 2030 target to remove all diesels.
That said, once franchise awards are known, large EV orders are likely to be included as part of winning bids.
The franchising document stated that the 2030 target had been "diluted" and then pointed the finger at NX!
Quote from: cardew on March 07, 2025, 09:24:20 AMThe franchising document stated that the 2030 target had been "diluted" and then pointed the finger at NX!
Neither NX or any other bus company would invest on scale in new EV's when Franchising is being planned.
The Mayor / TfWM should have left the AQPS arrangement in place.
No Operator will buy any new buses at the moment let alone EV's, Diamond have some new E200MMC's and the new Mercs but for the wider group as well as the Birmingham and Black Country area, NX could do a Diamond and convert some buses to EV, but again pointless, NX don't know if they will be running routes in 2 years. No Operator is going to invest in new buses unless they are part of a wider group or are renewing there Fleet because there is no guarantee the several million quid they have spent on buying the buses, marketing them, specing them to a nice spec, fitting Ticket Machines and then training Engineers and Drivers on them if it is a new type will even be worth it if in 2 years time someone else is to own them buses. This isn't NX's fault there dammed if they do and dammed if they don't besides central Government can't actually seem to make up there minds on when ICE Cars will be banned.
Quote from: winston on March 07, 2025, 09:41:11 AMNeither NX or any other bus company would invest on scale in new EV's when Franchising is being planned.
The Mayor / TfWM should have left the AQPS arrangement in place.
It would make commercial sense if the leasing for the vehicles (most if not all the NXWM EVs are leased from Zenobe) and charging equipment, combined with the running costs are less than the equivalent for diesel buses though - along with relative reliability of vehicles also.
@Tony has mentioned previously the improvement they experienced with the Coventry fleet. Presumably the leases might be capable to be taken on by TfWM if franchising starts.
My guess is that once the funding is agreed through TfWM/WMCA to support commercial services referred to in earlier posts, NXWM will continue with its fleet replacement. Presumably once the chargers at YW are turned on, NXWM starts paying for the electricity (fuel!) - looks like an accounting thing, to start at the beginning of a financial quarter?
As for the franchising report, I recall it was stated NXWM was expected to have around 600 zero emission vehicles in service by 2027 - it also gave a date well into the 2030s for full EV operation - so it would appear it's the franchising arrangement suggested by TfWM that allows for an extended period for full zero emission operation. In fact the other operators have virtually none in the region currently operating!!
Quote from: ellspurs on February 04, 2025, 06:06:44 PMIt'll be there until they flip over to 25 plates at this rate lol.
i doubt it looking at the reg it was NX74 probably be kept at that being NX at the start.
Quotei doubt it looking at the reg it was NX74 probably be kept at that being NX at the start.
Do you even have a clue what you're saying?
Quote from: BBS on March 07, 2025, 12:44:02 PMDo you even have a clue what you're saying?
His comment makes perfect sense, you can keep a personalised registration on a vehicle if you wish.
Are the next batch of electric buses (130) still coming if franchising is on the cards?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 07, 2025, 03:15:01 PMAre the next batch of electric buses (130) still coming if franchising is on the cards?
Yes, building is due to start very soon
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2025, 03:50:43 PMYes, building is due to start very soon
Is there a reason that NX hasn't announced who is making these new electric buses? Surely an announcement would have come by now?
Quote from: don on March 07, 2025, 10:47:46 AMIt would make commercial sense if the leasing for the vehicles (most if not all the NXWM EVs are leased from Zenobe) and charging equipment, combined with the running costs are less than the equivalent for diesel buses though - along with relative reliability of vehicles also. @Tony has mentioned previously the improvement they experienced with the Coventry fleet. Presumably the leases might be capable to be taken on by TfWM if franchising starts.
My guess is that once the funding is agreed through TfWM/WMCA to support commercial services referred to in earlier posts, NXWM will continue with its fleet replacement. Presumably once the chargers at YW are turned on, NXWM starts paying for the electricity (fuel!) - looks like an accounting thing, to start at the beginning of a financial quarter?
As for the franchising report, I recall it was stated NXWM was expected to have around 600 zero emission vehicles in service by 2027 - it also gave a date well into the 2030s for full EV operation - so it would appear it's the franchising arrangement suggested by TfWM that allows for an extended period for full zero emission operation. In fact the other operators have virtually none in the region currently operating!!
There's no much point taking on any more electrics for operating savings either, with the build time from date or order & the time it takes to get them in service, they wouldn't get much pay back from them, so a pointless exercise.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 07, 2025, 04:24:34 PMIs there a reason that NX hasn't announced who is making these new electric buses? Surely an announcement would have come by now?
Why?
What difference does it make? An announcement of 130 new buses is all that matters to the travelling public.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2025, 05:18:50 PMWhy?
What difference does it make? An announcement of 130 new buses is all that matters to the travelling public.
Of course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 07, 2025, 05:49:49 PMOf course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.
Sometimes the manufacturer might want a big press release with a picture of a completed vehicle
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2025, 03:50:43 PMYes, building is due to start very soon
That's great news. Look forward to seeing them operating later in the year.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2025, 05:52:05 PMSometimes the manufacturer might want a big press release with a picture of a completed vehicle
Hint of when Tony?
Just a question, but is it possible the current hydrogens can be refuelled to battery electric?
Quote from: BBS on March 08, 2025, 12:14:59 AMJust a question, but is it possible the current hydrogens can be refuelled to battery electric?
Do you mean 'converted'?
QuoteDo you mean 'converted'?
Sorry yeah
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 07, 2025, 05:49:49 PMOf course it wouldn't matter to the public. However, it's unusual that nobody except the company knows who the manufacturer is, especially nearing the start of production. I know it may seem a bit trivial, but I just find it a bit strange.
look around
at least 2 bus companies have got new vehicles not yet seen elsewhere (from what ive seen) but im not going to say what it is as NXWM may not have gone for them but if you like crosswords its W-----------
Quotelook around
at least 2 bus companies have got new vehicles not yet seen elsewhere (from what ive seen) but im not going to say what it is as NXWM may not have gone for them but if you like crosswords its W-----------
Seems like you must be the CEO of National express to know what they ordered
QuoteSeems like you must be the CEO of National express to know what they ordered
No, NX have only trialled Wright Bus Electroliner decker, the rest were single deckers demos. 130 are deckers so highly likely to be Electroliners
Still no sign of E334. Just wondering whether ADL have accepted that WMNX are not putting all their new electric 'eggs' in the same basket and have decided not to bother with a 'seed' demonstrator at this point in time. Time will tell.
Quote from: RW on Yesterday at 03:54:55 PMStill no sign of E334. Just wondering whether ADL have accepted that WMNX are not putting all their new electric 'eggs' in the same basket and have decided not to bother with a 'seed' demonstrator at this point in time. Time will tell.
Would be counterproductive having a vehicle with no means of charging it presently.
The new Enviro400EVs are equipped with AC charging ports; the current BYD fleet use DC chargers.
Not that this is the sole reason for its delay, but I can't imagine it helps matters.
Quote from: CL on Yesterday at 05:09:48 PMWould be counterproductive having a vehicle with no means of charging it presently.
The new Enviro400EVs are equipped with AC charging ports; the current BYD fleet use DC chargers.
Not that this is the sole reason for its delay, but I can't imagine it helps matters.
Then what was the point of even thinking about ordering an electric bus with AC charging ports if the BYDs work just fine?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on Yesterday at 05:36:06 PMThen what was the point of even thinking about ordering an electric bus with AC charging ports if the BYDs work just fine?
Nobody ordered E334
Quote from: Tony on Yesterday at 05:54:46 PMNobody ordered E334
Sounds more and more likely that ADL will not be the suppliers of the next tranche of ev's to NXWM. Wrightbus seems the likely source but who knows, except Tony of course! All this assumes that NXWM have been active in the market for additional ev's.
QuoteSounds more and more likely that ADL will not be the suppliers of the next tranche of ev's to NXWM. Wrightbus seems the likely source but who knows, except Tony of course! All this assumes that NXWM have been active in the market for additional ev's.
E334 is a seed vehicle like 3301 was
QuoteSounds more and more likely that ADL will not be the suppliers of the next tranche of ev's to NXWM. Wrightbus seems the likely source but who knows, except Tony of course! All this assumes that NXWM have been active in the market for additional ev's.
ADLs quality control has really went down recently, using cheap parts, leading to lore break downs
Quote from: BBS on Today at 11:19:46 AMADLs quality control has really went down recently, using cheap parts, leading to lore break downs
And how do you know this ??
Quote from: BK63 YWP on Today at 10:43:23 AME334 is a seed vehicle like 3301 was
Seems increasingly unlikely that this particular 'seed' will sprout so far as NXWM are concerned.
Quote from: CL on Yesterday at 05:09:48 PMWould be counterproductive having a vehicle with no means of charging it presently.
The new Enviro400EVs are equipped with AC charging ports; the current BYD fleet use DC chargers.
Not that this is the sole reason for its delay, but I can't imagine it helps matters.
Excuse my ignorance on this, but do different types of electric buses have different types of charge ports rendering them useless to companies and depots with different types of chargers? Are they not inter-changeable in any way?
For EV cars, whilst there are a couple of different charger types in the UK, everything is standardised on the Type 2 chargers nowadays. I'd assumed buses and commercial vehicles would have some sort of similar standardisation.
Quote from: Mike K on Today at 04:36:37 PMExcuse my ignorance on this, but do different types of electric buses have different types of charge ports rendering them useless to companies and depots with different types of chargers? Are they not inter-changeable in any way?
For EV cars, whilst there are a couple of different charger types in the UK, everything is standardised on the Type 2 chargers nowadays. I'd assumed buses and commercial vehicles would have some sort of similar standardisation.
There's two type of chargers. AC which is the original one and DC which all new buses are using as charging is faster. The BYDs have AC sockets both sides so can go either side of a suitable charger, but also have a DC socket, but only on the nearside. Electroliners and ADL E400EVs only have DC sockets.