PD0001111/17 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton, Bus Station and Wolverhampton, Bus Station given service number 59 effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/44 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Centre, Bus Station and Wolverhampton, Bus Station given service number 81 effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/272 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Gornal Wood and Merry Hill given service number 297/297A effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/676 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tettenhall Wood to Dudley and Tettenhall Wood to Dudley given service number 1 effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
What is the 59 change??? Probably city centre changes (Well i hope!)
Given there are other changes for 15/11 (53, 129), is this the Dudley/Sandwell bus review?
I thought it was established that the review wouldn't be till Spring next year?
Network WM already has some of the 15th Nov changes listed here: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November.aspx
They include...
127 diamond journeys given to NXWM.
Also the 205 Diamond evening journeys are withdrawn.
I have a feel 15th nov is guna have a few interesting changes and the 297 being changed again...
Annual Old Hill and Rowley Regis changes anyone.....?
Quote from: s94 on September 23, 2015, 02:09:47 PM
Network WM already has some of the 15th Nov changes listed here: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November.aspx
They include...
127 diamond journeys given to NXWM.
Also the 205 Diamond evening journeys are withdrawn.
Because of lack of passengers, will be interesting over the coming months how many more of these we see? Presume the route is covered by other services?
Yes it says the 205 withdrawal by diamond is due to very low patronage.
Indeed Kevin, it does have a sense of the annual Cradley/Rowley changes again. Lol.
81 change?!?! Oh for ...
Nothing about the 99 or the '25'?
Quote from: AndrewLee on September 24, 2015, 04:30:51 PM
Nothing about the 99 or the '25'?
The cryptic '25' presumably being the 99 replacement between city, QE and maybe Harborne or Quinton if the 99 is changed to QE to random Black Country destination?
@Mike K said random black Country destination being a hell hole for buses yet some would say Merry...
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 24, 2015, 05:07:49 PM
@Mike K said random black Country destination being a hell hole for buses yet some would say Merry...
@the trainbasher, I used the word random as all manner of places has been suggested, including Gornal Wood
I wonder if the 1 and its Hybrids are going to PE?
Quote from: Chris on September 24, 2015, 06:54:16 PM
Whys that?
It was just Karl's comment about Hybrids coming to PE in his signature, with PE losing the 53 and presumably WB will continue to operate the 129, so was thinking maybe they are moving the 1 over to PE. After all, can't see them taking the Hybrids off the 22/3, but at the end of the day, just me guessing!
@Stuharris 6360 maybe...maybe not...
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 24, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
It was just Karl's comment about Hybrids coming to PE in his signature, with PE losing the 53 and presumably WB will continue to operate the 129, so was thinking maybe they are moving the 1 over to PE. After all, can't see them taking the Hybrids off the 22/3, but at the end of the day, just me guessing!
I couldn't see the 1 moving to PE. If i'm right, the majority of trips start/finish at Tettenhall Wood or Wolverhampton City Centre so would increase dead mileage.
Quote from: Nathan on September 24, 2015, 07:15:20 PM
I couldn't see the 1 moving to PE. If i'm right, the majority of trips start/finish at Tettenhall Wood or Wolverhampton City Centre so would increase dead mileage.
I would agree
@Nathan , but 1 is included in the changes for 15 Nov for route and timetable?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 24, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
It was just Karl's comment about Hybrids coming to PE in his signature, with PE losing the 53 and presumably WB will continue to operate the 129, so was thinking maybe they are moving the 1 over to PE. After all, can't see them taking the Hybrids off the 22/3, but at the end of the day, just me guessing!
His comments have been around the 99 QE - Gornal Wood, 129 B'ham - Merry Hill, and hybrids to PE. He said 2 out of 3 were true, if so I'd guess it's the first 2.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 24, 2015, 07:17:19 PM
I would agree @Nathan , but 1 is included in the changes for 15 Nov for route and timetable?
I suspect that may be a city centre change along with the 59 (If they are big changes then i will be very disappointed!)
Guess we are not going to know the truth until further details are published!
Can't see the 1 coming to PE because wouldn't type training be needed? Although E400s have operated until recently at PE are they different enough to warrant training?
Quote from: s94 on September 24, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
Can't see the 1 coming to PE. Would type training be needed? Although E400s have operated until recently at PE are they different enough to warrant training?
Yes, the dash on the Hybrids are different from the old Enviro400s that were on the 9. So type training would be needed
If and a big if the 129 is coming to merry hill, I wonder if it will follow the old or part of the old 258 route?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 24, 2015, 06:58:05 PM
It was just Karl's comment about Hybrids coming to PE in his signature, with PE losing the 53 and presumably WB will continue to operate the 129, so was thinking maybe they are moving the 1 over to PE. After all, can't see them taking the Hybrids off the 22/3, but at the end of the day, just me guessing!
I think that the 99 one is b***ocks, if i'm honest. But perhaps, Karl wasn't referring to a version of hybrid which was in the fleet at the time i.e. 4798, so maybe, that could go into service at PE? Just a guess, but you never know?
Quote from: s94 on September 24, 2015, 07:39:52 PM
If and a big if the 129 is coming to merry hill, I wonder if it will follow the old or part of the old 258 route?
Would have "thought", it will be 53 route from Merry Hill to Bearwood, then via current 129 route to City?
Is there a need to make the 53 corridor have extra capacity? Are there good loadings along the route most of the time?
Quote from: s94 on September 24, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
Is there a need to make the 53 corridor have extra capacity? Are there good loadings along the route most of the time?
Yes but if the rumours are correct, the 53 is withdrawn between Merry Hill & Bearwood?
In which case that makes some sense. Interesting times ahead anyway. It does generally seem to me bus networks are beginning to expand somewhat again recently. :)
Quote from: Nathan on September 24, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I suspect that may be a city centre change along with the 59 (If they are big changes then i will be very disappointed!)
I wonder if these changes involve pipers row . however now travel express have finished I wonder if the 1 will finally go into the bus station
Quote from: mranon on September 24, 2015, 11:12:38 PM
I wonder if these changes involve pipers row . however now travel express have finished I wonder if the 1 will finally go into the bus station
There are rumours NX are trying to get all cross city routes to go through the bus station so maybe they're using the 1 as a kind of test
Quote from: mranon on September 24, 2015, 11:12:38 PM
I wonder if these changes involve pipers row . however now travel express have finished I wonder if the 1 will finally go into the bus station
I wondered this. I haven't heard anything more about it but are they about to start the Metro extenstion along Pipers Row?
Was just thinking that if the 129 is coming to MH and if its replacing the 53 then whilst it should cover the 53 route as much as possible, it would be even better as a Birmingham bound route also to serve those not already addressed by the 141 route. Doubling up with this would not the best option.
Quote from: s94 on September 25, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
Was just thinking that if the 129 is coming to MH and if its replacing the 53 then whilst it should cover the 53 route as much as possible, it would be even better as a Birmingham bound route also to serve those not already addressed by the 141 route. Doubling up with this would not the best option.
If it followed the 53 route exactly it would end up coming back on itself (around Londonderry area), not to mention the every 10 frequency between the George, Warley and Birmingham (On the 127-9) would be affected
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 25, 2015, 09:07:44 PM
If it followed the 53 route exactly it would end up coming back on itself (around Londonderry area), not to mention the every 10 frequency between the George, Warley and Birmingham (On the 127-9) would be affected
129 not going round Londonderry when it goes from merry hill
Quote from: karl724223 on September 25, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
129 not going round Londonderry when it goes from merry hill
So Londonderry passengers are essentially losing two routes? Who is this change benefitting exactly? Glad I don't have to use the bus anymore
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2015, 10:47:53 AM
So Londonderry passengers are essentially losing two routes? Who is this change benefitting exactly? Glad I don't have to use the bus anymore
They're not losing it if they don't catch it in the first place, hence the review.
Any idea as to the 81 and 59 change. Only confirmed stuff please.
Quote from: pndriver on September 26, 2015, 04:53:40 PM
They're not losing it if they don't catch it in the first place, hence the review.
The 53 isn't the busiest, quite the opposite about the 129 though. Although I have a feeling Londonderry passengers will get an overall raw deal with these changes
From my experience of the 129 between west brom and the George pub is only busy during the peaks with school children in that stretch quite a few of them I might add. Apart from oldbury academy and moat farm the rest can use the 48 service. From what I,ve seen majority of the oldbury academy pupils get on from the bus station they have the option of the 49 similar walking distances to the stops.
Quote from: Mike K on September 24, 2015, 05:37:51 PM
@the trainbasher, I used the word random as all manner of places has been suggested, including Gornal Wood
A bus from Gornal taking in Birmingham? That'd be a real surprise, considering they got rid of the 137 years ago which ran from Brum to Gornal Wood. Would be one heck of a long journey too!
Quote from: 2900 on September 27, 2015, 10:03:53 AM
From my experience of the 129 between west brom and the George pub is only busy during the peaks with school children in that stretch quite a few of them I might add. Apart from oldbury academy and moat farm the rest can use the 48 service. From what I,ve seen majority of the oldbury academy pupils get on from the bus station they have the option of the 49 similar walking distances to the stops.
I always see people on it, and waiting for it. Although that could be the Hurst Road Community Centre - West Bromwich stretch. On the other hand, this change could largely benefit/improve the 48. Even though I strongly disagree with the changes. I just hope the 89 is left untouched, but I doubt that myself
When i,m running late with 129 to west brom it's the 48 service that clears the stretch between hurst community centre and west brom , I don't think any one will miss it if goes.
Quote from: 2900 on September 27, 2015, 11:01:25 AM
When i,m running late with 129 to west brom it's the 48 service that clears the stretch between hurst community centre and west brom , I don't think any one will miss it if goes.
Time will tell I suppose. I know the changes won't go down well though
Consider this; 29A switched to double deck operation. 29 withdrawn. 48 extended to Northfield from Weoley Castle via 29 route!
Quote from: AndrewLee on September 30, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Consider this; 29A switched to double deck operation. 29 withdrawn. 48 extended to Northfield from Weoley Castle via 29 route!
@AndrewLee the forum is already in rumour mill mode over 129, 99 and the mysterious new "25 and 26" routes. Now the 48 is being extended 29A (will it be renumbered) going dd operation.
All i can say roll on the 15th nov changes. Guna be interesting say the least
Hopefully we won't be far off knowing the actual changes being about 6 weeks away.
Spoke to centro and the 53 will turn into 53A/C
At least with the 53 going from the Merry Hill end, it should hopefully help patronage on the 289 and 4M somewhat even if only a little more. Whilst the 289 is never the busiest service, it does seem to do better these days than when it first came about before it was cut to Old Hill.
Will the 129 be following Cradley Heath, Quarry Bank High St then Merry Hill? Would be better to have it go along Dudley Wood way maybe rather than the above where the 141 already serves as well as a billion other services (&where bus frequency is extremely high), thus expanding the people open to services towards Birmingham?
Quote from: AndrewLee on September 30, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Consider this; 29A switched to double deck operation. 29 withdrawn. 48 extended to Northfield from Weoley Castle via 29 route!
Without knowing other proposed changes that would leave Swarthmore Rd and the Northfield to Frankley via Allen's Cross sections of the 29 without a service, and the Weoley Castle to Bartley Green section of the 48 served only by the X64. Interesting to see what these changes will bring.
Just speculation if the 89 is to be terminated at oldbury sainsbury, maybe the 289 could cover port way hill section your only missing out Stuart rd it's not far to the stops on Hanover rd or throne rd.
Some how I can't see nx operating the 89/127/289 through rowley Regis especially during late evening periods given patronage is so marginal. I personally hope they do I love driving fresh air about , it's doesn't give verbal for no good reason just peace and quiet.
Are we any closer to any further details about these changes yet? Only about 6 weeks away now. Would have thought registrations/routes/timetables would be complete by now?
Quote from: 2900 on October 01, 2015, 11:30:57 AM
Just speculation if the 89 is to be terminated at oldbury sainsbury, maybe the 289 could cover port way hill section your only missing out Stuart rd it's not far to the stops on Hanover rd or throne rd.
Some how I can't see nx operating the 89/127/289 through rowley Regis especially during late evening periods given patronage is so marginal. I personally hope they do I love driving fresh air about , it's doesn't give verbal for no good reason just peace and quiet.
That would leave 2 buses per hour between Oldbury and Lion Farm? I don't use that section of the route, but would one bus every 30 min service suffice?
Quote from: s94 on October 06, 2015, 07:10:35 PM
Are we any closer to any further details about these changes yet? Only about 6 weeks away now. Would have thought registrations/routes/timetables would be complete by now?
Hoping they have scrapped the proposed changes and are leaving everything alone for once, *wishful thinking*
Quote from: s94 on October 06, 2015, 07:10:35 PM
Are we any closer to any further details about these changes yet? Only about 6 weeks away now. Would have thought registrations/routes/timetables would be complete by now?
Don't be silly, all about the last minute when it comes to telling the travelling public apparently
Quote from: Mike K on September 30, 2015, 10:24:52 PM
Without knowing other proposed changes that would leave Swarthmore Rd and the Northfield to Frankley via Allen's Cross sections of the 29 without a service
No its still covered by the 49 which actually fits into a rumour going round YW that the 49E's are being extended to Northfield to create a 15 minute service along the whole of the route, personally I think the Northfield - Frankley section with 3 29's and 2 49's an hour is a little over bussed, the 20 minute 49 frequency previously in place seemed perfectly adequate as really your only catering for those along Holly Hill Road and parts of the Allens Cross going up to Northfield, most people around New Street in Frankley and parts of the Allens Cross close to Frankley Beeches Road would likely opt for the faster and more frequent 61 and Hoggs Lane is pretty well served by the 18.
Of course, yes, the 49 - my mistake. Proposed changes make sense, can't see there being much demand for the links the 29 provides from Frankley and Allen's Cross to Weoley, Harborne etc.
Not for the 15th Nov but no point in creating a new thread
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/56-replaced-by-service-937-from-25th-october-2015
Quote from: Dom on October 09, 2015, 11:35:09 AM
Not for the 15th Nov but no point in creating a new thread
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/56-replaced-by-service-937-from-25th-october-2015
With nxwm dropping the 936 except during peaks and switching to the 937 surely those passengers who could only use the 936 will now have the same problem as those who could only use the 56.
It seems to imply that the 936 was never really needed as the majority of the route was covered by the 56, 934 and 997
Kind of wrong place to ask but don't want to create a new thread but has NXWM thought about creating a summary for each timetable change similar to National Rail with railway timetables?
Any news on these changes yet with just 1 month to go?
Quote from: s94 on October 14, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Any news on these changes yet with just 1 month to go?
Because of confirmation of road layout changes in Birmingham has not been finalised, neither have the service changes!
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Because of confirmation of road layout changes in Birmingham has not been finalised, neither have the service changes!
At least there's a bit of an excuse this time. Seems to be every time there's a whole host of changes the general travelling public (you know, the people that use the buses) find out far too late
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Because of confirmation of road layout changes in Birmingham has not been finalised, neither have the service changes!
Ahh fair enough indeed. Could be quite a last minute rush to get things sorted but certainly not centros/operators fault. :)
Quote from: sonic84 on October 09, 2015, 06:32:01 PM
With nxwm dropping the 936 except during peaks and switching to the 937 surely those passengers who could only use the 936 will now have the same problem as those who could only use the 56.
It seems to imply that the 936 was never really needed as the majority of the route was covered by the 56, 934 and 997
What serves Ogley Hay after the change as I think one road Icompletely loses a bus service if Im not mistaken?
Broad street one way
Quote from: sonic84 on October 09, 2015, 06:32:01 PM
With nxwm dropping the 936 except during peaks and switching to the 937 surely those passengers who could only use the 936 will now have the same problem as those who could only use the 56.
It seems to imply that the 936 was never really needed as the majority of the route was covered by the 56, 934 and 997
How does that work? NX have just upgraded the 934/5/6 to Platinum and then decides to drop the 936... Somebody please explain it to me?
Quote from: Liam on October 15, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
How does that work? NX have just upgraded the 934/5/6 to Platinum and then decides to drop the 936... Somebody please explain it to me?
I would have thought they would have modified the 936 to tie in with the 56
Quote from: Liam on October 15, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
How does that work? NX have just upgraded the 934/5/6 to Platinum and then decides to drop the 936... Somebody please explain it to me?
They haven't 'dropped it'. It will now run during peak times only.
Bit stupid to make changes to these routes, just when brand new buses put in livery for these and money spent on new leaflets and advertisements for these routes and now they changing again, very poorly organised. 25/10/2015 is this when sch hols kick in?
I'm sure users of the 56 will not think this is stupid.
NXWM have with short notice very cleverly replaced an unforeseen market gap.
I know but they have to do new leaflets etc no publicity, its a headache they should just have a year review and make changes once a year.
Anyone heard this? 70 to revert back to City - Chelmsley. 73 to BC and put on the Coleshill rota!
Also, on the blinds for the 22 there is an option for "22E New Street
Station"! Any thoughts?
Quote from: AndrewLee on October 15, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
Also, on the blinds for the 22 there is an option for "22E New Street
Station"! Any thoughts?
I would have thought many buses have E versions programmed in for short journeys where required (e.g to make up lost time/traffic problems etc).
I am aware the 22 doesnt go directly past New St though.
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 15, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
I know but they have to do new leaflets etc no publicity, its a headache they should just have a year review and make changes once a year.
And leave all the people who catch the 56 without a bus or let another operator come and run the 56 and maybe take more passengers off the Platinum services if they did a good job?
A very clever person at NX has managed to revise the timetable so that very few people are inconvenienced, either NX or Diamond passengers, but has done it so the costs are vastly reduced to Diamond's costs so that the service is viable on the existing number of passengers for NX where it wasn't for Diamond
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2015, 08:35:48 AM
And leave all the people who catch the 56 without a bus or let another operator come and run the 56 and maybe take more passengers off the Platinum services if they did a good job?
A very clever person at NX has managed to revise the timetable so that very few people are inconvenienced, either NX or Diamond passengers, but has done it so the costs are vastly reduced to Diamond's costs so that the service is viable on the existing number of passengers for NX where it wasn't for Diamond
You by any chance Tony?
There's a rumour going around west brom garage the planned 129 changes have been scrapped. By the time this gets around the system it,ll be the 258 is coming back from the dead.
Quote from: 646 on October 15, 2015, 11:30:07 PM
NXWM have with short notice very cleverly replaced an unforeseen market gap.
A cynic would say that NX planned for this when they introduced the 936 in the first place, they knew that it would kill Diamond off
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 04:31:14 PM
There's a rumour going around west brom garage the planned 129 changes have been scrapped. By the time this gets around the system it,ll be the 258 is coming back from the dead.
Scrapping those changes wouldn'tt surprise me but is this allowed to be done with just 4 weeks to go? Suppose as no one really knows yet it cant hurt much.
However I note Karls signature says 99 move is not till 2016 now?
To be honest the timing of the release of these changes are as bad as the proposed changes themselves!
Quote from: s94 on October 16, 2015, 06:19:22 PM
Scrapping those changes wouldn'tt surprise me but is this allowed to be done with just 4 weeks to go? Suppose as no one really knows yet it cant hurt much.
However I note Karls signature says 99 move is not till 2016 now?
Well with the bus review due early next year, surely better to put the changes off and do everything at once!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 16, 2015, 08:52:45 PM
Well with the bus review due early next year, surely better to put the changes off and do everything at once!
My thoughts too. On another note, surely the feedback from the review is done by now and ready to go on the NWM website? The consultation closed early/mid July!
is routes 9, 22, 23, 24, 29 changing routes due to new road layout
PD0001111/69 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre and Solihull, Station given service number 6/6A effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/495 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Solihull and Northfield given service number 49 effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/565 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Solihull, Station and Queen Elizabeth Hospital given service number 76 effective from 15-Nov-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
I presume that these are Solihull Gateway changes, probably sending these routes back to the railway station.
With regard to the Dudley review, you are not going to see details on the NWM website until about a month before the changes actually happen (the rumour is April 2016). If all previous reviews are a guide, this will involve roadshows in the last couple of weeks leading up to the changes.
More rumour talk from west brom garage the changes in November regarding west brom and pennsnet services have been shelved because somebody upstairs cocked them up a name was mentioned I won't place on it here without proof it's not fair is it. I was looking forward to see what would have transpired with the changes, I assume there will be big change next year at some point leading to another garage merry-go-around, just have to wait and see.
Quote from: Roy on October 19, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
I presume that these are Solihull Gateway changes, probably sending these routes back to the railway station.
With regard to the Dudley review, you are not going to see details on the NWM website until about a month before the changes actually happen (the rumour is April 2016). If all previous reviews are a guide, this will involve roadshows in the last couple of weeks leading up to the changes.
I thought NWM might have posted consultation feedback though. Didn't they do this with the south Birmingham review? I might be wrong. Though I'm sure I remember some 'suggestions' being posted up???
Quote from: Roy on October 19, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
I presume that these are Solihull Gateway changes, probably sending these routes back to the railway station.
Correct, Diamond have already confirmed on their website that changes to the S3, 82 and 88 from the same date are services resuming their previous routes through Solihull town centre.
what will the new route be for the 22/23/24
Network West Midlands have updated the 15th Nov changes. No sign of anything with the 53/129 etc so probably safe to say these changes are scrapped now?
Only new local change is a couple of 297 journeys becoming 297A.
So no route change to the 1 or 59 (WN).....
Although, There are now earlier trips on the 59 on Sunday's. Finally!
Quote from: Nathan on October 20, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
So no route change to the 1 or 59 (WN).....
Although, There are now earlier trips on the 59 on Sunday's. Finally!
Just one mind. You can stop complaining now lol :)
@Nathan
Quote from: s94 on October 20, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
Network West Midlands have updated the 15th Nov changes. No sign of anything with the 53/129 etc so probably safe to say these changes are scrapped now?
I don't believe they were ever likely to happen at this time, just rumours, besides nobody spotted any registration changes on the VOSA/DVSA website.
Whats going to happen to 62/A now according to the changes still no one to pick that contract up?
Quote from: Chris on October 20, 2015, 07:40:36 PM
Whats going to happen to 62/A now according to the changes still no one to pick that contract up?
or the 127!
Quote from: Stu on October 20, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
I don't believe they were ever likely to happen at this time, just rumours, besides nobody spotted any registration changes on the VOSA/DVSA website.
So it was all just rubbish in the end then? Hmmm. If not, I would just leave everything to the review anyway. Not a great idea to start major changes this close to the festive season IMO.
Quote from: Chris on October 20, 2015, 07:40:36 PM
Whats going to happen to 62/A now according to the changes still no one to pick that contract up?
This is the reply I got from Centro regarding the 62/A
Dear Mr Woodward
Bus Service 62 Wolverhampton to Compton
Thank you for your email received 6 October 2015 regarding changes to bus service 62/62A.
I can advise that as this service is operated with a financial subsidy provided by Centro, as is required, the tender for the service is re-let periodically. The current contract to operate this service is due to expire in November this year.
I can confirm that the successful bidder to continue to operate this service will be National Express West Midlands. They will take over the operation of this service from 15 November 2015. There are no changes to the route or timetable, with the exception of the regrettably withdrawal of the last journey on Service 62A (1500 from Wolverhampton) due to very low passenger numbers meaning that this particular journey no longer qualifies for a subsidy.
I hope this information is helpful and that you will be able to continue to use this service and thank you for contacting Centro.
Kind regards
Stephen Holloway
Customer Relations Officer
Being hacked back yet more then, so much for me hoping it would improve under National Express. I always thought this was one of the better used tendered services, stuff like the 122 should go if cuts have to be made
I am quite surprised given the current economic situation and the fact that Centro are probably operating with less money that more services are not being pruned/withdrawn!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 20, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
I am quite surprised given the current economic situation and the fact that Centro are probably operating with less money that more services are not being pruned/withdrawn!
Not long until the Autumn Statement when further cuts could potentially be announced, we're yet to find out extent of Dudley review changes, previous rounds saw cuts vs Sandwell review of 2012 leaving network pretty much untouched.
Hopefully the consultation a while back revealed the preference of keeping supported bus services over anything else...
Not all changes have been listed as there is now a poster up at west brom garage for route training on the new changed 48 route and 50A/50C new route! No information on the changes though so not sure where they are going.
Quote from: WB on October 21, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
Not all changes have been listed as there is now a poster up at west brom garage for route training on the new changed 48 route and 50A/50C new route! No information on the changes though so not sure where they are going.
Andrew Lee at BC has indicated earlier in the thread that the 48 may be operating from Weoley to Northfield via the current 29 route, so may well be to do with that?
Quote from: Mike K on October 21, 2015, 05:20:31 PM
Andrew Lee at BC has indicated earlier in the thread that the 48 may be operating from Weoley to Northfield via the current 29 route, so may well be to do with that?
Yes, and converted to Scanias
Quote from: Mike K on October 21, 2015, 05:20:31 PM
Andrew Lee at BC has indicated earlier in the thread that the 48 may be operating from Weoley to Northfield via the current 29 route, so may well be to do with that?
Little disappointed by this change as swarthmore road now lose there direct link to Birmingham, which goes back to the days of the 44 service.
I suspect this was always on the cards from the moment the X64 was diverted to the hospital and gibbons road, but I would have much preferred to see the X64 going to Northfield as the Kitwell & woodgate areas already have a link to Birmingham
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 05:42:19 PM
Yes, and converted to Scanias
1944 was on the 48 earlier today around 2:30 I believe
Quote from: sonic84 on October 21, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
Little disappointed by this change as swarthmore road now lose there direct link to Birmingham, which goes back to the days of the 44 service.
I suspect this was always on the cards from the moment the X64 was diverted to the hospital and gibbons road, but I would have much preferred to see the X64 going to Northfield as the Kitwell & woodgate areas already have a link to Birmingham
Andrew has also referred to mysterious services 25 and 26. Remains to be seen whether these happen or indeed are part of the November changes (25 seemed to be linked to the 99 changes which look like they won't be happening this year). Maybe one of those will cover Swarthmore? It would be surprising to see it go from a 20 min link to the city to having nothing. That's assuming there is substance to these rumours of course.
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2015, 05:42:19 PM
Yes, and converted to Scanias
Really? This will be hilarious at peak times
Changed at west brom that i can remember after looking:
46 route amended to just serve queslett to west bromwich no longer continueing to londonderry,
48 no longer serving bartley green but will now continue to northfield,
53 being withdrawn
50A/50C bearwood circular replacing the 46 between west bromwich and londonderry,
129 continuing to merry hill centre
Quote from: WB on October 23, 2015, 02:59:47 PM
Changed at west brom that i can remember after looking:
46 route amended to just serve queslett to west bromwich no longer continueing to londonderry,
48 no longer serving bartley green but will now continue to northfield,
53 being withdrawn
50A/50C bearwood circular replacing the 46 between west bromwich and londonderry,
129 continuing to merry hill centre
Are the 29 & 48 effectively switching at Weoley Castle?
i.e. 29 will do Weoley Castle - Bartley Green
48 will do Weoley Castle - Northfield
Quote from: Winston on October 23, 2015, 03:19:59 PM
Are the 29 & 48 effectively switching at Weoley Castle?
i.e. 29 will do Weoley Castle - Bartley Green
48 will do Weoley Castle - Northfield
Winston, I think the 29 will also do Weoley to Northfield but via the current 29A route, i.e. via the Weoley Castle pub (not sure whether it will be numbered 29 or 29A though. 29 would make more sense). The 48 will do Weoley to Northfield via the current 29 route (Swarthmore Rd). That's what I've established from Andrew Lee's posts anyway.
Quote from: Mike K on October 23, 2015, 03:29:23 PM
Winston, I think the 29 will also do Weoley to Northfield but via the current 29A route, i.e. via the Weoley Castle pub (not sure whether it will be numbered 29 or 29A though. 29 would make more sense). The 48 will do Weoley to Northfield via the current 29 route (Swarthmore Rd). That's what I've established from Andrew Lee's posts anyway.
Cheers Mike, I'm not overly familiar with that neck of the woods.
Quote from: WB on October 23, 2015, 02:59:47 PM
Changed at west brom that i can remember after looking:
46 route amended to just serve queslett to west bromwich no longer continueing to londonderry,
48 no longer serving bartley green but will now continue to northfield,
53 being withdrawn
50A/50C bearwood circular replacing the 46 between west bromwich and londonderry,
129 continuing to merry hill centre
I am so confused about the 53/129? I thought there was no vosa registration for this and it was just rumour in the end at least for now?
Surely someone can fully confirm this now?
Quote from: s94 on October 23, 2015, 05:46:51 PM
I am so confused about the 53/129? I thought there was no vosa registration for this and it was just rumour in the end at least for now?
Surely someone can fully confirm this now?
I thought someone said those changes had been postponed?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 23, 2015, 05:53:05 PM
I thought someone said those changes had been postponed?
Its definately up at west brom garage on a poster in the traffic office so guessing west brom are going to operate the 50A/50C with pensnett taking over the 129 as suggested previously
Quote from: WB on October 23, 2015, 07:48:01 PM
Its definately up at west brom garage on a poster in the traffic office so guessing west brom are going to operate the 50A/50C with pensnett taking over the 129 as suggested previously
If these changes do go ahead, I will be very surprised that no-one posted the relevant registrations changes from VOSA/DVSA when they were published.
Yes
PN - 129
WB - 50A/50C
Quote from: Stu on October 23, 2015, 07:55:42 PM
If these changes do go ahead, I will be very surprised that no-one posted the relevant registrations changes from VOSA/DVSA when they were published.
That's because they haven't been published by DVSA yet
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2015, 07:56:46 PM
Yes
PN - 129
WB - 50A/50C
Thanks for confirming tony. Will the 129 follow the 53 route at the merry Hill end?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 23, 2015, 07:58:38 PM
Pensnett need more buses?
That'll depend on whether the PVR of the 129 is greater than the 53, assuming the 129 has the same 30 min frequency. The 53 looks like it needs 6 buses during the daytime.
Quote from: WB on October 23, 2015, 02:59:47 PM
53 being withdrawn
50A/50C bearwood circular replacing the 46 between west bromwich and londonderry,
129 continuing to merry hill centre
I'm presuming that the 50A/C also replaces the 53 between West Brom and Bearwood, as well as parts of the current 129/53 between Bearwood and Londonderry? And the 129 replaces the 53 between Bearwood and Merry Hill? I think this may have been suggested previously, so I'm sorry if I've missed out on details!
Quote from: Stu on October 23, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
I'm presuming that the 50A/C also replaces the 53 between West Brom and Bearwood, as well as parts of the current 129/53 between Bearwood and Londonderry? And the 129 replaces the 53 between Bearwood and Merry Hill? I think this may have been suggested previously, so I'm sorry if I've missed out on details!
Both garages need more buses, Pensnett are now going to get two Christmas presents! one soon and the big one later
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2015, 08:33:49 PM
Both garages need more buses, Pensnett are now going to get two Christmas presents! one soon and the big one later
Hopefully geminis or presidents
What did I say all along 129 merry hill to brum
129 route is same as 53 to the plough then George rd the follow road to bearwood bear tavern then sandon rd then city rd then Portland road then the same as the 9/141 to brum
Quote from: karl724223 on October 23, 2015, 09:10:34 PM
What did I say all along 129 merry hill to brum
129 route is same as 53 to the plough then George rd the follow road to bearwood bear tavern then sandon rd then city rd then Portland road then the same as the 9/141 to brum
Its nice to have two bus services to Birmingham again from merry hill
Quote from: karl724223 on October 23, 2015, 09:10:34 PM
What did I say all along 129 merry hill to brum
129 route is same as 53 to the plough then George rd the follow road to bearwood bear tavern then sandon rd then city rd then Portland road then the same as the 9/141 to brum
But is there such a need for the 129 to follow roads where the 141 goes especially at the merry hill end?
Quote from: karl724223 on October 23, 2015, 09:10:34 PM
What did I say all along 129 merry hill to brum
129 route is same as 53 to the plough then George rd the follow road to bearwood bear tavern then sandon rd then city rd then Portland road then the same as the 9/141 to brum
Fair play, is it going to interwork with anything?
Quote from: s94 on October 23, 2015, 09:24:27 PM
But is there such a need for the 129 to follow roads where the 141 goes especially at the merry hill end?
and why not
Quote from: Dom on October 23, 2015, 09:25:56 PM
Fair play, is it going to interwork with anything?
no
Don't like/agree with the 129 route changes at all. Londonderry have lost two routes. The 50A/C could be useful though, I stand by what I said before, the 444 should have never been withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2015, 08:33:49 PM
Both garages need more buses, Pensnett are now going to get two Christmas presents! one soon and the big one later
I gather this means pensnett are getting brand new buses that no other garage has and west brom are going to end up with more cast offs from everywhere else? :(
Broad Street services exiting City will use Newhall Street, Graham Street, Newhall Hill, Sand Pits Parade, Clement Street, St Vincent Street, Sheepcote Street and onto Broad Street.
The 129 to merryhill I would imagine would be trident operated buses currently used on the current 53 service, I assume the frequency would be every 30 minutes to tie into the ten minute frequency between brum and George warley, can't see it being every 15/20 mins to be honest.
Can't see a new vehicle type being introduced to pensnett, considering its currently about simplification. My guess for 50A/C enviro 200s or presidents.
There's plenty of presidents in reserve that could be used at west brom or yardley wood to release extra tridents to pensnett if needed.
Quote from: 979 on October 24, 2015, 12:37:30 AM
Broad Street services exiting City will use Newhall Street, Graham Street, Newhall Hill, Sand Pits Parade, Clement Street, St Vincent Street, Sheepcote Street and onto Broad Street.
This should be fun to the run up to christmas , really should consider changing rota or better still long term holiday with plenty of blue skies.
Quote from: 2900 on October 24, 2015, 12:46:24 AM
This should be fun to the run up to christmas , really should consider changing rota or better still long term holiday with plenty of blue skies.
Forgot to mention the timetable amendments?
Quote from: 2900 on October 24, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
The 129 to merryhill I would imagine would be trident operated buses currently used on the current 53 service, I assume the frequency would be every 30 minutes to tie into the ten minute frequency between brum and George warley, can't see it being every 15/20 mins to be honest.
Can't see a new vehicle type being introduced to pensnett, considering its currently about simplification. My guess for 50A/C enviro 200s or presidents.
There's plenty of presidents in reserve that could be used at west brom or yardley wood to release extra tridents to pensnett if needed.
I'm guessing the 50A/C will be hourly each? I can't help but feel we're getting a really raw deal here.
Quote from: WB on October 23, 2015, 02:59:47 PM
Changed at west brom that i can remember after looking:
46 route amended to just serve queslett to west bromwich no longer continueing to londonderry,
48 no longer serving bartley green but will now continue to northfield,
53 being withdrawn
50A/50C bearwood circular replacing the 46 between west bromwich and londonderry,
129 continuing to merry hill centre
So the 53 will be withdrawn between Bearwood and West Bromwich also. Surely the 48 will have its frequency increased, 1 single deck every half an hour between West Brom and Warley is completely insufficient
Although the 53 is being withdraw it is going to be covered by the new 50A/C route. Exiting west brom the same way as an 83 then on to the 53 route past rolfe street until it gets to bearwood and continues on to part of the old 444 route. I should think this service is going to be half hourly in both directions
Talking to drivers to have completed the 50A/C route training they are not happy bunch , terrible twisty turny route that uses every teenie tiny road out there.
Quote from: 2900 on October 27, 2015, 10:56:35 AM
Talking to drivers to have completed the 50A/C route training they are not happy bunch , terrible twisty turny route that uses every teenie tiny road out there.
Wonder how happy they'll be about the 48 to Northfield :P
The 48 during the day is already 2hrs 40 minutes that's what I,m told never done the service to Bartley green, should be quite a mission then to and from Northfield.
Quote from: 2900 on October 27, 2015, 11:13:09 AM
The 48 during the day is already 2hrs 40 minutes that's what I,m told never done the service to Bartley green, should be quite a mission then to and from Northfield.
Prepare for some narrow roads and tight turns assuming 29 route is followed, all around by Black Haynes Road! Plus loads of prams :P
I'm not that rota, losing the 129 means I,ll be spending more time on Dudley rd services as the rota shrinks , not looking forward to seeing the new duties.
Quote from: 2900 on October 27, 2015, 10:56:35 AM
Talking to drivers to have completed the 50A/C route training they are not happy bunch , terrible twisty turny route that uses every teenie tiny road out there.
So much like the old 444 then?
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Most of those are just Solihull town centre routes returning to normal.
Quote from: Stu on October 27, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
Most of those are just Solihull town centre routes returning to normal.
@Stu there are rumors, no idea how true they are about the 70 between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull being withdrawn and the 73 moving to BC and being put on the Coleshill rota with the 59A, 56 and 70
With the Chelmsley Wood - City Centre part, like the 90 used to do still remaining.
I did also here a rumor about the 73 and 70 going to interwork.
Quote from: 2206 on October 27, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
@Stu there are rumors, no idea how true they are about the 70 between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull being withdrawn and the 73 moving to BC and being put on the Coleshill rota with the 59A, 56 and 70
With the Chelmsley Wood - City Centre part, like the 90 used to do still remaining.
I did also here a rumor about the 73 and 70 going to interwork.
Well we'll have to wait and see about that, but I'm pretty sure that is still at the rumour stage, and the 15th Nov change is just for the end of the Solihull Gateway works.
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Via: Whitmore Reans
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When will the changes be on network West midlands &
Nx bus websites as it's about 3 weeks away till they change.
Quote from: Solo1 on October 29, 2015, 09:44:10 PM
When will the changes be on network West midlands &
Nx bus websites as it's about 3 weeks away till they change.
Some of the changes are on the Network West Midlands website....
I told one of my friends who relies on the 53 to Merry Hill that it's being withdrawn, needless to say he wasn't happy to hear it.
I wonder what the route of the 50A/C will be, my thoughts are old 444 between Bearwood and Smethwick Galton Bridge, then 80 route to West Bromwich, and current 53 route back to Bearwood
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 30, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
I told one of my friends who relies on the 53 to Merry Hill that it's being withdrawn, needless to say he wasn't happy to hear it.
I wonder what the route of the 50A/C will be, my thoughts are old 444 between Bearwood and Smethwick Galton Bridge, then 80 route to West Bromwich, and current 53 route back to Bearwood
@Sh4318 the 129s guna do the 53 to bearwood then normal line of route and the 50A/C doing 53 between londonderry and west brom
Quote from: Chris on October 30, 2015, 03:43:42 PM
@Sh4318 the 129s guna do the 53 to bearwood then normal line of route and the 50A/C doing 53 between londonderry and west brom
@Chris, I thought the 50A/C would, I'm wondering if it's going to serve Blue Gates or Mallin Street on the way to West Brom. No, the 129's going to do the 129 to the Plough and then do the rest of the 53 (Pound Road - Merry Hill). Completely eluding Hurst Road, Queens Head, Bristnall Hall Road.
@Sh4318 i think we guna wait til the changes are announced but with addition scanias may point to an increase to every 20 mins for 48s. But its all speculation and rumours but i would of thought the changes will be posted in the next week
Quote from: Chris on October 30, 2015, 04:32:16 PM
@Sh4318 i think we guna wait til the changes are announced but with addition scanias may point to an increase to every 20 mins for 48s. But its all speculation and rumours but i would of thought the changes will be posted in the next week
Yes the 48 is going every 20 min
Saw on twitter from NXWM that the 70 is cut back to Chelmsley Wood, with extra buses on the 72.
Looking on NWM timetables for the 71 - a Sunday service between Chelmsley & Solihull. In addition to the 72, not or incorrect? 72 timetable is not up yet!
Probably means 71 / 72 being reduced to 20 mins each maybe.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on October 30, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
Theres currently a 70/1/2 every 7-8 mins. a 70/2 every 15mins, to maintain this they just need a couple extra 72s to Chelmsley. so the 72 would be every 15mins Solihull to Chelmsley, every 15mins City - Castle Brom, and every30mins City-Solihull unless the increase the whole route to every 15 mins
the 71 is being reduced to every 20 minutes
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33071&net=cen&project=y11&sup=B&lineVer=10&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33071&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=B&itdLPxx_lineVer=10&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Quote from: 2206 on October 30, 2015, 07:27:58 PM
the 71 is being reduced to every 20 minutes
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33071&net=cen&project=y11&sup=B&lineVer=10&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33071&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=B&itdLPxx_lineVer=10&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
HA! Silly me! I should have seen that beings as i was just looking at it! :o
The 31 is being rerouted to serve Solihull Station. Not sure if already mentioned.
To Solihull, it'll turn into the Station, from Streetsbrook Road, and terminate in the Town Centre. And then out of the Town Centre, it'll pass through the Station again, and then continue on Streetsbrook to it's normal line of route.
A board of all the Solihull changes are in the garage, and this was one of the ones mentioned. From 15th Nov.
Quote from: MW on October 31, 2015, 01:03:07 AM
The 31 is being rerouted to serve Solihull Station. Not sure if already mentioned.
To Solihull, it'll turn into the Station, from Streetsbrook Road, and terminate in the Town Centre. And then out of the Town Centre, it'll pass through the Station again, and then continue on Streetsbrook to it's normal line of route.
A board of all the Solihull changes are in the garage, and this was one of the ones mentioned. From 15th Nov.
I'm surprised that wasn't done a long time ago, good change though
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Shouldn't the 50A/C be a new registration, not a variation?
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 03, 2015, 05:27:18 PM
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heard start at livery st, then stops out the bham mail&post then hotel la tour onto suffolk st, then broad st
Quote from: wembley86 on November 03, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
heard start at livery st, then stops out the bham mail&post then hotel la tour onto suffolk st, then broad st
I thought the changes to the 29 were to amend to follow current 29A between Weoley Castle and Northfield, and possible withdrawal of the Northfield to Frankley section. That's what's been previously suggested on here anyway. Are they changing the city centre route too?
Still no advertisement online of a lot of these changes it seems. Could be a lot of people waking up on the 16th to a surprise/not their usual service!
Quote from: s94 on November 03, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
Still no advertisement online of a lot of these changes it seems. Could be a lot of people waking up on the 16th to a surprise/not their usual service!
@s94 exactly my thoughts, it's not as though they are just a few small timetable changes!
Quote from: s94 on November 03, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
Still no advertisement online of a lot of these changes it seems. Could be a lot of people waking up on the 16th to a surprise/not their usual service!
And this is becoming worryingly regular.
We know that there changes coming through bits of inside information and people who know where to look, but the general public who use the buses day in day out are as yet clueless.
Pathetic.
It's all going to end badly I fear! ???
Have any bus stop flags been updated yet? It's bad enough that there has been a lack of publicity so far, this really will be leaving it to the last minute, if passengers are unable to plan their future journeys in advance of the changes.
Went on the Traveline website and downloaded a timetable for the 53 and it told me it is compiled from data valid till 11 December 2015!
Quote from: Mike K on November 03, 2015, 07:11:31 PM
I thought the changes to the 29 were to amend to follow current 29A between Weoley Castle and Northfield, and possible withdrawal of the Northfield to Frankley section. That's what's been previously suggested on here anyway. Are they changing the city centre route too?
Drive of 29 told passengers this morning at 7:27 on the bus before departing colmore row.
Quote from: wembley86 on November 03, 2015, 09:06:07 PM
Drive of 29 told passengers this morning at 7:27 on the bus before departing colmore row.
It would be surprising if the city centre route was changed to differ to the other Harborne routes. Combined they provide a 7/8 minute frequency in the evenings and on Sunday, changing the 29 would mess that up.
Quote from: Mike K on November 03, 2015, 09:22:22 PM
It would be surprising if the city centre route was changed to differ to the other Harborne routes. Combined they provide a 7/8 minute frequency in the evenings and on Sunday, changing the 29 would mess that up.
Perhaps the route of all the Harborne services is changing!
It is both inbound and outbound
Quote from: Tony on November 03, 2015, 09:33:25 PM
Perhaps the route of all the Harborne services is changing!
It is both inbound and outbound
Good call. I hadn't considered that ::)
Quote from: wembley86 on November 03, 2015, 06:56:38 PM
heard start at livery st, then stops out the bham mail&post then hotel la tour onto suffolk st, then broad st
The 101 (I don't know about the 7 and 46) is moving from Livery Street to Colmore Row on the 15th. That's why now
According to the NWM website, all evening journeys (Monday to Sunday) are being withdrawn on service 205 from 15 November. The timetable on the website says the same.
I picked up a 205 timetable leaflet dated 25 October 2015 in Dudley Bus Station yesterday. According to this, all Diamond journeys (evenings Monday to Saturday and all day Sundays) were withdrawn from Sunday.
This really is pathetic.
Quote from: Roy on November 03, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
According to the NWM website, all evening journeys (Monday to Sunday) are being withdrawn on service 205 from 15 November. The timetable on the website says the same.
I picked up a 205 timetable leaflet dated 25 October 2015 in Dudley Bus Station yesterday. According to this, all Diamond journeys (evenings Monday to Saturday and all day Sundays) were withdrawn from Sunday.
This really is pathetic.
Gosh what a pickle. And that is putting it lightly! lol
Just a week and a half pretty much to the changes and for a large proportion of these changes, not a hint of official publicising yet. Could get interesting this one. Certainly last minute changes in Brum cannot have helped but sounds like all bus stop flags, timetables etc all still need doing?
Quote from: Roy on November 03, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
According to the NWM website, all evening journeys (Monday to Sunday) are being withdrawn on service 205 from 15 November. The timetable on the website says the same.
I picked up a 205 timetable leaflet dated 25 October 2015 in Dudley Bus Station yesterday. According to this, all Diamond journeys (evenings Monday to Saturday and all day Sundays) were withdrawn from Sunday.
This really is pathetic.
The NWM site is right, timetables in stops are valid from 15/11 and state only Sunday daytime operated by diamond. Diamond still runnning evenings tonight.
Quote from: Mike K on November 03, 2015, 09:35:20 PM
Good call. I hadn't considered that ::)
Got chatting to a driver on the harborne .. He says something about all the harborne routes are going down in front of new st. Station and relief point is livery st? Would be interesting to see the route BEFORE 15th Nov. changes. Hint hint.
Annoying its getting closer and closer to the date and nothing is said about it
A bit conflicted about the Harborne city changes... Serving New Street, and Moor St. relief? I'll have to wait and see...
Quote from: clayderman on November 04, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
A bit conflicted about the Harborne city changes... Serving New Street, and Moor St. relief? I'll have to wait and see...
I'm very intrigued by the mention of Livery Street. Isn't the top of Livery Street right turn only into Colmore Row - or can you go left past the Snow Hill entrance plaza and across the tram tracks to access Colmore Circus (and from there the route would presumably be past Old Square, down Priory Queensway and round to Moor Street Queensway?
Quote from: Ossie on November 04, 2015, 11:06:50 PM
I'm very intrigued by the mention of Livery Street. Isn't the top of Livery Street right turn only into Colmore Row - or can you go left past the Snow Hill entrance plaza and across the tram tracks to access Colmore Circus (and from there the route would presumably be past Old Square, down Priory Queensway and round to Moor Street Queensway?
Its not right turn only
the 87 and 82 turn left there
@Ossie
Ah, cheers 2206, thanks for clarifying!
Information on the new City loop for the Harborne routes and new outbound route for Hagley Rd services:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015
Network West Midlands have updated their page too:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November2015.aspx
I've noticed it has said the 22 (BC) will extend round to Woodgate.
Also, It appears the 62 (WN) will extend back to Finchfield when they take over the contract again.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/solihull-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015/
I see the 73 is moving stops to the Priory Queensway from the 15th
Quote from: Nathan on November 05, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
Information on the new City loop for the Harborne routes and new outbound route for Hagley Rd services:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015
Network West Midlands have updated their page too:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November2015.aspx
I've noticed it has said the 22 (BC) will extend round to Woodgate.
Also, It appears the 62 (WN) will extend back to Finchfield when they take over the contract again.
Still no clarification on this page that the 53 is withdrawn and the 129 is extended to Merry Hill though?
Just looked at the 127/8/9 timetable on the NX bus website, Monday to Friday are they all going down to once hourly?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Just looked at the 127/8/9 timetable on the NX bus website, Monday to Friday are they all going down to once hourly?
@Stuharris 6360 is an error if you look at the journies going the opposite direction are still half hourly each for 127/128/129
Quote from: Chris on November 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
@Stuharris 6360 is an error if you look at the journies going the opposite direction are still half hourly each for 127/128/129
Ah right, thanks
@Chris
Quote from: Nathan on November 05, 2015, 11:46:31 AM
Information on the new City loop for the Harborne routes and new outbound route for Hagley Rd services:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015
Network West Midlands have updated their page too:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November2015.aspx
I've noticed it has said the 22 (BC) will extend round to Woodgate.
Also, It appears the 62 (WN) will extend back to Finchfield when they take over the contract again.
The 22/23 timetable is strange. Buses are timed to leave Woodgate every 7/8 minutes, but that means that over the vast majority of the routes, i.e. from Jiggins Lane / Clapgate Lane to the city centre, buses run every 5 or 10 mins. Surely it should be set up so that there is a uniform frequency over the rest of the route other than the outer terminus? I know from experience that a 10 min gap at peak times can result in a bus being very full.
Interesting to see that the last bus from town is now 1 am.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015/
Black Country changes up now
Quote from: Chris on November 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM
@Stuharris 6360 is an error if you look at the journies going the opposite direction are still half hourly each for 127/128/129
the timetable says its hourly during the day in both directions
@Chris @Stuharris 6360 http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/B127_128_129_15Nov15.pdf
Frequency of the 29 is reduced to every 15 mins during the daytime (currently combined every 10 mins on the 29/29A). I wonder, if as previously suggested on here that, along with the fact that Swartmore Rd is no longer served, will mean a return to double deck operation?
Can't personally see singles every 15 mins being enough to cope at busy times.
I wasn't expecting the change to the 22 so that it now goes to Woodgate. I expect it the Woodgate terminus will be quite busy what with the X64 now being increased in frequency.
Glad to see that the X64 is now serving Selly Oak again, and I also spotted that all X64 journeys will now serve the full route in the evenings too.
Still disappointed that the Swarthmore road loses its direct bus to Birmingham.
Quote from: Chris on November 05, 2015, 05:03:44 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015/
Black Country changes up now
Where is 'Warely'?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on November 05, 2015, 05:55:21 PM
Where is 'Warely'?
Exactly, both NX and Network West Midland websites are littered with mistakes.
I would have thought they would have made reference to the earlier Sunday trips on the 59 as opposed to 'Minor Timetable Amendments'
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2015, 05:04:05 PM
the timetable says its hourly during the day in both directions @Chris @Stuharris 6360
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/B127_128_129_15Nov15.pdf
Must be a genuine mistake then, it should be half hourly through the day
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on November 05, 2015, 05:55:21 PM
Where is 'Warely'?
The pages are a mess. Many routes still don't have explanations as to their full change yet. Pretty chaotic this now sadly.
No mention of the introduction of Sunday service of the 71E. Also, Solihull could be fun if im reading this correctly - the 6,49 & 76 will be loading on the opposite side to which they used to? If so, the two shelters and one pole on the opposite side will be for unloading and Rail Stn, with the exception of the S3/4. I thought with the extra pole that side, some services i.e 30/31 could be moved to that side so that services are grouped (S3/30/31 to Sharmans Cross etc) The other side of Station Rd, Poplar Rd (where most Shelters are) is already busy, and I assumed the pole could be for 6/49/76 to unload.
Also confused with the 37 - will follow the same route, but continue down Warwick Rd from the Station. So will it serve the Town Centre as now, then the Station, then on to Birmingham without serving the Town Centre again?
Another thing: 966 says Erdington - Solihull STATION, but timing points only show Town Centre!
@Matt.N0056 Seems that way regarding the 6/49/76; so they'll do the reverse of what they did before the Gateway works. Suppose it won't make any difference; just the fact it could be very crowded in terms of services picking up on the 'Nationwide' side of Station Rd.
The 37 I'm lost on - can't see them doing that loop still - hopefully just worded badly.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 05, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
Also confused with the 37 - will follow the same route, but continue down Warwick Rd from the Station. So will it serve the Town Centre as now, then the Station, then on to Birmingham without serving the Town Centre again?
No it serves the town centre again it just continues on Warwick Rd rather than turning onto Lode Lane
"Service 37 will continue follow the same route but will continue along Warwick Road from the rail station." should have said
"From the rail station service 37 will follow the same route (as 6, 6A, 49, 76) but will continue along Warwick Road"
@busfan2847 Thanks for the clarification - better way of putting it!
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 05, 2015, 08:03:22 PM
@Matt.N0056
Seems that way regarding the 6/49/76; so they'll do the reverse of what they did before the Gateway works. Suppose it won't make any difference; just the fact it could be very crowded in terms of services picking up on the 'Nationwide' side of Station Rd.
The 37 I'm lost on - can't see them doing that loop still - hopefully just worded badly.
Yep, we'lol have to wait and see how it goes!
Quote from: busfan2847 on November 05, 2015, 08:07:49 PM
No it serves the town centre again it just continues on Warwick Rd rather than turning onto Lode Lane
"Service 37 will continue follow the same route but will continue along Warwick Road from the rail station." should have said
"From the rail station service 37 will follow the same route (as 6, 6A, 49, 76) but will continue along Warwick Road"
Ahh, got ya! Badly worded, but at least your on the ball!
Nearly all the stops are being changed in merry hill as well 15/11/15
Quote from: karl724223 on November 06, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
Nearly all the stops are being changed in merry hill as well 15/11/15
Are these listed anywhere
Quote from: Dom on November 06, 2015, 11:00:56 AM
Are there even any diferences?!
Near enough everything except the 81 and the X96 towards Wollaston
The new timetables suggest that the 289 won't run on Sunday's, and the 50A serves Blackheath Market on Saturdays. There isn't even an explanation as to how Manor Road, Londonderry Lane and Hales Lane will be served, these are the roads that the 46 served
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 06, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
The new timetables suggest that the 289 won't run on Sunday's, and the 50A serves Blackheath Market on Saturdays. There isn't even an explanation as to how Manor Road, Londonderry Lane and Hales Lane will be served, these are the roads that the 46 served
To me it suggests that this whole process has been rushed, lets hope that the timetables that have gone to print don't contain all these errors as they will be useless.
Quote from: pndriver on November 06, 2015, 11:40:39 AM
Near enough everything except the 81 and the X96 towards Wollaston
81 is the same Stand H outside pizza hut
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 06, 2015, 11:55:48 AM
To me it suggests that this whole process has been rushed, lets hope that the timetables that have gone to print don't contain all these errors as they will be useless.
I just feel sorry for people affected by the changes. If you're going to withdrawn a route that runs on my road (46), at least explain how the alternative is going to serve me.
Sounds like next Sun/Mon will be fun for passengers with all the changes taking place and it will be the drivers getting it in the neck due to the late publication
Just as the North Bimingham review changes were focused on Pheasey, these set of changes mainly benefit people living in Warley. Meanwhile Londonderry loses out
Number of services to Merry Hill
Before 15/11: 2ph
After 15/11: none
Number of services to Blackheath
Before 15/11: 4ph
After 15/11: 2ph
Number of services to West Bromwich
Before 15/11: 8ph
After 15/11: 5ph
Number of services to Bearwood
Before 15/11: 13ph
After 15/11: 12ph
Number of services to Birmingham
Before 15/11: 10ph
After 15/11: 8ph
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 06, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
Just as the North Bimingham review changes were focused on Pheasey, these set of changes mainly benefit people living in Warley. Meanwhile Londonderry loses out
Number of services to Merry Hill
Before 15/11: 2ph
After 15/11: none
Number of services to Blackheath
Before 15/11: 4ph
After 15/11: 2ph
Number of services to West Bromwich
Before 15/11: 8ph
After 15/11: 5ph
Number of services to Bearwood
Before 15/11: 13ph
After 15/11: 12ph
Number of services to Birmingham
Before 15/11: 10ph
After 15/11: 8ph
interesting reading that
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 06, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
Just as the North Bimingham review changes were focused on Pheasey, these set of changes mainly benefit people living in Warley. Meanwhile Londonderry loses out
Number of services to Merry Hill
Before 15/11: 2ph
After 15/11: none
Number of services to Blackheath
Before 15/11: 4ph
After 15/11: 2ph
Number of services to West Bromwich
Before 15/11: 8ph
After 15/11: 5ph
Number of services to Bearwood
Before 15/11: 13ph
After 15/11: 12ph
Number of services to Birmingham
Before 15/11: 10ph
After 15/11: 8ph
Presumably for that number of services/journey options to be cut from Londonderry suggests that the existing services weren't being used sufficently
Network West Midlands seem to have started to amend the timetables on the website for the changes, however only a few services have been done.
Also if you select the 53, it shows a new timetable for the 15:11:15 (which looks the same as the old one), not that the service is withdrawn.
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33053&net=cen&project=y11&sup=A&lineVer=7&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33053&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=A&itdLPxx_lineVer=7&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 06, 2015, 11:47:35 AM
The new timetables suggest that the 289 won't run on Sunday's, and the 50A serves Blackheath Market on Saturdays. There isn't even an explanation as to how Manor Road, Londonderry Lane and Hales Lane will be served, these are the roads that the 46 served
All I have read for the 289 is that it is just amendments to fit in with the other changes. Nothing about withdrawing journeys?scrap that just seen the timetable on the Nx west mids site and indeed no Sunday timetable. Was patronage really that low? Just the 4m to west brom on Sunday's now!
@Stuharris 6360 @Sh4318 Don't worry its an error :)
289 timetable from 15.11.15 on nwm website: Sunday Service
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33289&net=cen&project=y11&sup=A&lineVer=3&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33289&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=A&itdLPxx_lineVer=3&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Broad street diversions outbound now 15/11/15 not 8/11/15
Quote from: Winston on November 06, 2015, 04:35:08 PM
Presumably for that number of services/journey options to be cut from Londonderry suggests that the existing services weren't being used sufficently
I love how Warley get to keep their service to West Brom, but I'm going to stop now at the risk of sounding bitter, just very disappointed by the changes after the promise the Sandwell network review gave.
Quote from: 2900 on November 06, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
interesting reading that
The most interesting bit to me is the drop in services to West Brom
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 06, 2015, 12:56:42 PM
I just feel sorry for people affected by the changes. If you're going to withdrawn a route that runs on my road (46), at least explain how the alternative is going to serve me.
The NWM page states next to the 46: "Route between West Bromwich and Londonderry will replaced by new services 50A and 50C."
It amazes me that there's still
no map on the NXWM site for the 50A/C, and NWM/Traveline still fail to have even added a timetable at the very least!
We have no idea of the exact roads to be served by the 50A/C and we're only
5 days away from the changes taking place.
I fear for the passengers on Norman Rd and Alexander Rd; based on the limited info I can glean from the PDF timetable, I have a terrible feeling that the service will completely omit these roads and just follow the 127/8/9 to the George Pub.
I can visualise bus stops reading "not in use" very soon...
There is a Warley map.
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/50A50C129map.pdf
Procrastinating today, too much to do lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2015, 02:52:23 PM
There is a Warley map.
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/50A50C129map.pdf
Procrastinating today, too much to do lol
Thanks for this, I couldn't find a link anywhere for that.
I can't believe it, they actually did it, they left Alexander Road with nothing!
Can't say I'm particularly happy about this change...
EDIT: I also notice, there's a section of road in Londonderry (Bristnall Hall Rd leading onto Londonderry Rd) which has also most likely been left with no bus service, unless Centro decide to re-route something else down that way.
So is any of the "west side" going to benefit, don't as familiar with this part of the network, but looks like cuts on quite a few of the corridors. I mean will the 29 be able to cope with during the week reduced frequency for example? I don't really know enlighten me peeps.
Quote from: r700a on November 10, 2015, 02:08:52 PM
The NWM page states next to the 46: "Route between West Bromwich and Londonderry will replaced by new services 50A and 50C."
It amazes me that there's still no map on the NXWM site for the 50A/C, and NWM/Traveline still fail to have even added a timetable at the very least!
We have no idea of the exact roads to be served by the 50A/C and we're only 5 days away from the changes taking place.
I fear for the passengers on Norman Rd and Alexander Rd; based on the limited info I can glean from the PDF timetable, I have a terrible feeling that the service will completely omit these roads and just follow the 127/8/9 to the George Pub.
I can visualise bus stops reading "not in use" very soon...
Looking at the PDF map, the 50A/C routing is awful. If you need to get to Bearwood from the George or Londonderry, the 127-9, 120 are much better and quicker options, you might as well of left the 46 and keep the 53, can't see this route being used that well. Not to mention the new 50A/C omits Alexander Road, Barclays/St Mary's Road, Salop, Oval, William Road and Londonderry Lane, all roads the 444 served. Still no direct service between Blue Gates and Bearwood, I thought this new route could provide that as well as some more useful links. I wish we still had the 444
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 10, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
Looking at the PDF map, the 50A/C routing is awful. If you need to get to Bearwood from the George or Londonderry, the 127-9, 120 are much better and quicker options, you might as well of left the 46 and keep the 53, can't see this route being used that well. Not to mention the new 50A/C omits Alexander Road, Barclays/St Mary's Road, Salop, Oval, William Road and Londonderry Lane, all roads the 444 served. Still no direct service between Blue Gates and Bearwood, I thought this new route could provide that as well as some more useful links. I wish we still had the 444
Some very good points there, an awful lot of roads have been omitted with no apparent replacement; something which NX fail to mention.
They are being very flexible with the truth here. Words such as "replacement" are used in a very loose manner.
This does all sound pathetic.
They've had how long to plan these changes properly? And as yet I've seen precisely nothing telling the public, only bits of information there for the public to find if they even knew to look for it in the first place
Quote from: Kevin on November 10, 2015, 06:35:55 PM
This does all sound pathetic.
They've had how long to plan these changes properly? And as yet I've seen precisely nothing telling the public, only bits of information there for the public to find if they even knew to look for it in the first place
notes on pensnett buses about 129 50A/C. 53 changes
Full NXWM Information for Birmingham, Black Country and Solihull is here.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015&utm_medium=image
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 11, 2015, 05:53:11 PM
Full NXWM Information for Birmingham, Black Country and Solihull is here.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=service-changes-sunday-15th-november-2015&utm_medium=image
Been up on there for about 2 weeks now
@Adam 404
Quote from: 2206 on November 11, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
Been up on there for about 2 weeks now @Adam 404
So they have - Sorry for the action replay!
And with a few days to go, Network West Midlands have changed there service changes page. Oh well better late than never.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November2015.aspx
Only problem, some bits are still not correct eg: no mention of the 29 no longer going to Northfield
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 11, 2015, 10:11:44 PM
And with a few days to go, Network West Midlands have changed there service changes page. Oh well better late than never.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/15November2015.aspx
Only problem, some bits are still not correct eg: no mention of the 29 no longer going to Northfield
The 29 will still go to Northfield, with 2 buses an hour extending to Frankley. It's the route between Weoley and Northfield that's changed, all buses will follow the old 29A route, but will be numbered 29.
Holly Lane bus flags still read '46 48 129'. It's going to be strange to have only one route running on Queens Road/Hurst Road
Noticed NWM have numerous posters of these changes on the bus shelters on Colmore Row. Notably SH3, not too sure of SH1 or SH2.
- I was under the assumption that the Harbornes would only serve Broad Street, going Citybound - leaving city, serving Bath Row, etc... until Five Ways (like the 80, or 126) - however, the posters show the services will go onto Suffolk Street Queensway, onto Broad Street - which, in hindsight, makes total sense. ::) Oh, well. Glad outbound journeys will still serve Broad St.
Quote from: clayderman on November 12, 2015, 06:53:00 PM
Noticed NWM have numerous posters of these changes on the bus shelters on Colmore Row. Notably SH3, not too sure of SH1 or SH2.
- I was under the assumption that the Harbornes would only serve Broad Street, going Citybound - leaving city, serving Bath Row, etc... until Five Ways (like the 80, or 126) - however, the posters show the services will go onto Suffolk Street Queensway, onto Broad Street - which, in hindsight, makes total sense. ::) Oh, well. Glad outbound journeys will still serve Broad St.
That's just the Hagley Road services that don't serve Broad Street outbound
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 12, 2015, 09:59:26 PM
That's just the Hagley Road services that don't serve Broad Street outbound
Duly noted. The Hagley Road will follow Newhall Street, won't they? My mistake was I assumed the Harborne services would follow the 80/126 route from Smallbrook to Five Ways, where they would've returned to normal route. Didn't read the nx site properly, where it stated the Harborne services would serve Suffolk St Q'way. :P
Can't imagine so, figure it will turn off and go down Londonderry Queens Head then to pound Road towards Blackheath.
So now that 129 is moving to pensnett what buses do you think will operate the route?
Quote from: Trident4590 on November 13, 2015, 02:23:03 AM
So now that 129 is moving to pensnett what buses do you think will operate the route?
Already spoken about. Tridents
Quote from: Dom on November 13, 2015, 06:12:21 AM
Already spoken about. Tridents
Its always the Tridents isn't it... Ever since the Mercs were withdrawn, its very often Tridents in their place. :-\
Quote from: r700a on November 13, 2015, 08:52:09 AM
Its always the Tridents isn't it... Ever since the Mercs were withdrawn, its very often Tridents in their place. :-\
The 129 is at West Brom. So has never had Tridents. It would have had ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL's.
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Quote from: Nathan on November 13, 2015, 09:09:57 AM
The 129 is at West Brom. So has never had Tridents. It would have had ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL's.
Ah, my mistake. I'm not that fond of either of those so they look very similar to me haha.
With just 2 days to go until these dreadful changes are put in place, all but one bus stop in my area has been updated. The stop opposite the Kebab House on Queens Road shows that the 48 50C 55 serve this stop. It was my understanding that the 50C would serve Bristnall Hall Road, not Queens Road.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 13, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
With just 2 days to go until these dreadful changes are put in place, all but one bus stop in my area has been updated. The stop opposite the Kebab House on Queens Road shows that the 48 50C 55 serve this stop. It was my understanding that the 50C would serve Bristnall Hall Road, not Queens Road.
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/2015-Timetables/15th-November-changes-/50A50C129map.pdf
On the map above, it shows the route following Salop Rd, Hurst Rd, and Queens Rd (as per the current 129 route); so it seems they have omitted Bristnall Hall Rd beyond Salop Rd junction... presumably with no replacement for that section of road.
A stop on Norman Rd (and a few other stops) show a 53 timetable apparently valid from 15th November!?
This isn't correct obviously, and I can't see all the timetables and flags being updated correctly by Sunday...
The horrible zigzag route of the 50A/C around Londonderry seems like a waste of time just to ensure that most of Hurst Rd is covered (considering the 48 frequency is already being increased).
It seems a simpler and time-saving idea to send the 50A/C down Bristnall Hall Ln (as per the old 123), then up William Rd to meet with the old 444 route; the 55 could then once again serve the lower half of Bristnall Hall Ln.
Not sure if everyone would agree?
There's a bit of an obsession with always filling the entire length of Hurst Rd lately haha :P
Quote from: r700a on November 13, 2015, 11:05:27 AM
Ah, my mistake. I'm not that fond of either of those so they look very similar to me haha.
They look exactly the same except B7's have a vent at the back
Quote from: Trident4590 on November 13, 2015, 01:38:08 PM
They look exactly the same except B7's have a vent at the back
And fair few more cosmetic differences both internally and externally
Not that your average joe bloggs would notice.
Quote from: Nathan on November 13, 2015, 01:44:41 PM
And fair few more cosmetic differences both internally and externally
The rear axle hubs are different between the 2 buses also
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 13, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
The rear axle hubs are different between the 2 buses also
Lets not also forget the seating arrangements, the typical B7TL block steering wheel, the large flank radiator grill, the thin black border by the display (Tridents have a thicker border) I'm sure their a more these are what I can gather for now
Quote from: Nathan on November 13, 2015, 09:09:57 AM
The 129 is at West Brom. So has never had Tridents. It would have had ALX400 bodied Volvo B7TL's.
And the Gemini
@Nathan
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2015, 05:28:24 PM
And the Gemini @Nathan
He never said that there weren't Geminis on there. What Nathan meant was that he would have mistaken the ALX400 bodied B7TLs for Tridents.
Quote from: Trident4590 on November 13, 2015, 02:23:03 AM
So now that 129 is moving to pensnett what buses do you think will operate the route?
Logic dictates it will be the buses currently used on the 53, was anyone expecting anything different? ;)
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2015, 06:24:46 PM
Logic dictates it will be the buses currently used on the 53, was anyone expecting anything different? ;)
Think Tony mentioned that one bus will be transferred from WB to PN if I remember rightly, presume it may be an E200.
822?
Network West Midlands finally have all the timetables for the 46, 48, 50A/C, 127/8/9, and a handful of others!
After performing various searches on the timetable search i.e. searching different stops and road names, I can confirm that the following roads will be left with no bus service after the 53 is "replaced" by the 50A/C:
Alexander Road
Barclay Road
Upper St Mary's Road
Bristnall Hall Road (Lower half; following on to Londonderry Road)
Londonderry Lane will also be down by 1 bus service because the 50A/C is not routed to cover this section of the withdrawn 46 route; as is (Lower) St Mary's Road with the 50A/C also not routed to serve this road.
Complaints ahoy methinks!
Quote from: r700a on November 14, 2015, 01:04:18 AM
Network West Midlands finally have all the timetables for the 46, 48, 50A/C, 127/8/9, and a handful of others!
After performing various searches on the timetable search i.e. searching different stops and road names, I can confirm that the following roads will be left with no bus service after the 53 is "replaced" by the 50A/C:
Alexander Road
Barclay Road
Upper St Mary's Road
Bristnall Hall Road (Lower half; following on to Londonderry Road)
Londonderry Lane will also be down by 1 bus service because the 50A/C is not routed to cover this section of the withdrawn 46 route; as is (Lower) St Mary's Road with the 50A/C also not routed to serve this road.
Complaints ahoy methinks!
I'm so glad that someone agrees with me. This "replacement" doesn't cover half the roads the 46/53 served. From Londonderry, there's no direct service to Merry Hill, Causeway Green, Warley Woods or the Abbey schools, but that's too bad, Warley George have all these services
It's the little sign behind the cab "Talk to us", don't necessarily expect a reply.
From listening to colleagues and from observing the 46 around londerry sides, it's waste of time and resources are the comments I heard so few passengers use it . I personally can't recall ever seeing more than a handful on at any one time others may know different.
No doubt centro and wmsnt I go will fill in the gaps as they do, being a charity they don't have to worry about there profit margins.
Quote from: 2900 on November 14, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
From listening to colleagues and from observing the 46 around londerry sides, it's waste of time and resources are the comments I heard so few passengers use it . I personally can't recall ever seeing more than a handful on at any one time others may know different.
No doubt centro and wmsnt I go will fill in the gaps as they do, being a charity they don't have to worry about there profit margins.
That's why I keep saying they should have never withdrawn the 444! There was no good reason for its withdrawal, and at the time, certain sections of the route weren't adequately replaced
Quote from: 2900 on November 14, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
From listening to colleagues and from observing the 46 around londerry sides, it's waste of time and resources are the comments I heard so few passengers use it . I personally can't recall ever seeing more than a handful on at any one time others may know different.
No doubt centro and wmsnt I go will fill in the gaps as they do, being a charity they don't have to worry about there profit margins.
As it stands, Centro appear to have made no changes to the 20 or 122 (subsidised iGo services around Warley).
If they're going to omit Alexander Road, Barclay Rd, and Upper St Mary's Rd from the 50A/C, then maybe they should re-route the 20 along these roads, rather than doubling up these services along Thimblemill Rd...
Although, even this wouldn't be a completely adequate alternative; taking into account the poor frequency of this service!
You know the old saying
USE IT OR LOSE IT
why haven't nx bus timed 129 & 141 from merry hill to be a bus every 15 from Merry Hill to brum
Quote from: Solo1 on November 14, 2015, 10:20:49 PM
why haven't nx bus timed 129 & 141 from merry hill to be a bus every 15 from Merry Hill to brum
129 still timed in with the 127/128
Should have been renumbered 139 imo
Come Monday morning where you going driver
Merry hill
But your the 129 to west brom
Not any more
Quote from: karl724223 on November 14, 2015, 09:32:42 PM
You know the old saying
USE IT OR LOSE IT
The 444 was used, very much so.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 10:54:39 PM
The 444 was used, very much so.
If it was used that much/was profitable to operate, it would still be here now
Quote from: Solo1 on November 14, 2015, 10:20:49 PM
why haven't nx bus timed 129 & 141 from merry hill to be a bus every 15 from Merry Hill to brum
The 141 already has a co-ordinated frequency with the 241. It's around the year mark since the 241 was extended to Merry Hill wasn't it? Going off the previous Old Hill/Cradley Heath changes, this is progress
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2015, 10:56:17 PM
If it was used that much/was profitable to operate, it would still be here now
Would it? There are plenty of examples that can disagree with that. If you're going to basically re-create the 444, why miss out half of the roads it served?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 10:58:17 PM
Would it? There are plenty of examples that can disagree with that. If you're going to basically re-create the 444, why miss out half of the roads it served?
Just because routes carry passengers, doesn't make them profitable to operate.
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2015, 11:15:50 PM
Just because routes carry passengers, doesn't make them profitable to operate.
We have no idea whether the 444 was profitable or not, I'll point to the strange withdrawal and re-introduction of part of the 289. I'm just going off the links that the 50A/50C provide compared to the 444, which are no more than links that we already have in the area
Quote from: Solo1 on November 14, 2015, 10:20:49 PM
why haven't nx bus timed 129 & 141 from merry hill to be a bus every 15 from Merry Hill to brum
The timings from Birmingham are 15 minute intervals but in reality not that many people will use them end to end, the 129 in particular. With different end to end journey times, inter-working etc co-ordinating timings from both terminus points is unlikely to be workable.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 11:20:34 PM
We have no idea whether the 444 was profitable or not, I'll point to the strange withdrawal and re-introduction of part of the 289. I'm just going off the links that the 50A/50C provide compared to the 444, which are no more than links that we already have in the area
The point I'm trying to make is, if the 444 had of made a decent profit, it would still be around today in the same format. The fact that it was withdrawn with bits tagged on to other routes suggest it wasn't.
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
The point I'm trying to make is, if the 444 had of made a decent profit, it would still be around today in the same format. The fact that it was withdrawn with bits tagged on to other routes suggest it wasn't.
We'll have to agree to disagree, I've seen examples where this was not the case. In general, I'm just not happy about these changes
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 11:30:55 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree, I've seen examples where this was not the case. In general, I'm just not happy about these changes
Unless you have access to the figures, I don't see how you can state that.
Any change will always inconvenience someone, you can't please everyone all of the time, you have to aim to please the majority
I don't agree that the 129 should go up quarry bank high street. In particular because they already have a bus to Birmingham there. Surely it would be better to target a different area like saltwells and environs who don't have that (and some don't have direct connections to cradley Heath rail station) such a service. Going via here for example is just as quick as via the high street.
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2015, 11:36:19 PM
Unless you have access to the figures, I don't see how you can state that.
Any change will always inconvenience someone, you can't please everyone all of the time, you have to aim to please the majority
That argument can be used in both ways. I agree, and I do really feel inconvenienced, looking at the changes, they have really been geared towards providing Warley, George with a better service, while stripping Londonderry of their's, that's just the way I see it.
Quote from: s94 on November 14, 2015, 11:38:38 PM
I don't agree that the 129 should go up quarry bank high street. In particular because they already have a bus to Birmingham there. Surely it would be better to target a different area like saltwells and environs who don't have that (and some don't have direct connections to cradley Heath rail station) such a service. Going via here for example is just as quick as via the high street.
I agree with you there. I don't believe Quarry Bank needs a 4 buses an hour to Birmingham.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 11:40:24 PM
That argument can be used in both ways. I agree, and I do really feel inconvenienced, looking at the changes, they have really been geared towards providing Warley, George with a better service, while stripping Londonderry of their's, that's just the way I see it.
I'm going off the fact that is you were a bus company with a route that made healthy profits would you then go and withdraw it & tag bits on to other routes. The tagging bits on to other routes is usually designed to continue to provide a service to those areas but by stripping out the costs of providing a designated service such as the 444.
Your looking at the changes from your own point of view and how they will affect you, there may well be far more people in the Warley area set to benefit form the changes. Loading data will have been analysed before the changes & routing were approved.
I guess the travelling public will vote with their feet come Monday, it will be interesting to see how they are / aren't accepted
Quote from: Winston on November 14, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
I'm going off the fact that is you were a bus company with a route that made healthy profits would you then go and withdraw it & tag bits on to other routes. The tagging bits on to other routes is usually designed to continue to provide a service to those areas but by stripping out the costs of providing a designated service such as the 444.
Your looking at the changes from your own point of view and how they will affect you, there may well be far more people in the Warley area set to benefit form the changes. Loading data will have been analysed before the changes & routing were approved.
I guess the travelling public will vote with their feet come Monday, it will be interesting to see how they are / aren't accepted
I'm trying to make the exact opposite point with the 289. All I know is there will be a lot of complaints because a lot of useful links have been cut off
Quote from: r700a on November 14, 2015, 11:54:55 PM
One thing I find irritating is the fact that 90% of the time, we aren't given any actual reasons from NX or Centro as to why the changes are taking place.
Having said this, we all probably know the reasons and I can't say I ever expect to get any; they have no obligation to give reasons, although this doesn't mean they shouldn't!
There was no reason for the 444 withdrawal, and none for the 53, the 46 really didn't mean explaining. I don't think I'd be so angry if they at least explained it, for all I know, profit is probably the reason, but the withdrawal of the 289 then reintroduce makes me think differently
One thing I find irritating is the fact that 90% of the time, we aren't given any actual reasons from NX or Centro as to why the changes are taking place.
Having said this, we all probably know the reasons and I can't say I ever expect to get any; they have no obligation to give reasons, although this doesn't mean they shouldn't!
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 14, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
There was no reason for the 444 withdrawal, and none for the 53, the 46 really didn't mean explaining. I don't think I'd be so angry if they at least explained it, for all I know, profit is probably the reason, but the withdrawal of the 289 then reintroduce makes me think differently
NX is a commercial business that has to make a profit, has shareholders to answer to and has to try & grow the turnover/profits annually to please the City (London Stock Exchange) etc. There will be reasons for the withdrawal of the 444, 53 & changes to others services and most of those reasons are likely to centre around them not operating profitably or a profitable as they could be, not operating efficiently in present form, changes in travelling patterns, congestion & unreliability etc. The changes are ultimately designed to improve the fortunes for NX's business, that is the harsh reality. The are other external factors such as political pressures that may have forced NX's hand with re-introducing part of the 289, local campaign groups / MP's / other stakeholders etc Similar to the 297 being re-instated back in to Stickley Estate for 6 months on a use it or loose it basis
Centro are the ones responsible for providing / funding socially necessary routes than don't carry sufficient passengers number / generate enough revenue to cover the operating costs.
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2015, 12:20:54 AM
NX is a commercial business that has to make a profit, has shareholders to answer to and has to try & grow the turnover/profits annually to please the City (London Stock Exchange) etc. There will be reasons for the withdrawal of the 444, 53 & changes to others services and most of those reasons are likely to centre around them not operating profitably or a profitable as they could be, not operating efficiently in present form, changes in travelling patterns, congestion & unreliability etc. The changes are ultimately designed to improve the fortunes for NX's business, that is the harsh reality. The are other external factors such as political pressures that may have forced NX's hand with re-introducing part of the 289, local campaign groups / MP's / other stakeholders etc Similar to the 297 being re-instated back in to Stickley Estate for 6 months on a use it or loose it basis
Centro are the ones responsible for providing / funding socially necessary routes than don't carry sufficient passengers number / generate enough revenue to cover the operating costs.
I just wanted to make my point, I have now, I understand yours, you clearly have more knowledge of the industry than I do. I respect your knowledge Winston. I've emailed NX asking for their reasons behind these withdrawals, I doubt I'll get an answer, but I'd really like an explanation
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 15, 2015, 12:24:46 AM
I just wanted to make my point, I have now, I understand yours, you clearly have more knowledge of the industry than I do. I respect your knowledge Winston. I've emailed NX asking for their reasons behind these withdrawals, I doubt I'll get an answer, but I'd really like an explanation
I get that you're angry how the changes will effect you directly, and we've actually had a good debate with a big difference of opinion without it turning in to an argument, as it should be on here!
I don't know everything and I'm happy to be proven wrong if the changes do inconvenience the majority & only benefit the minority, I would hope that NX rectify the changes promptly if that is the case. I'm just pointing out that there is a much bigger picture to consider when changes are made.
The 73 timetable is now available and still shows Acocks Green as the garage for lost property.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 15, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
The 73 timetable is now available and still shows Acocks Green as the garage for lost property.
It shows its moved stops to the Priory Queensway to interworck with the 70
and the BY 55 still shows BC for lost property and hasn't been at BC for a couple of years now
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2015, 12:20:54 AM
NX is a commercial business that has to make a profit, has shareholders to answer to and has to try & grow the turnover/profits annually to please the City (London Stock Exchange) etc. There will be reasons for the withdrawal of the 444, 53 & changes to others services and most of those reasons are likely to centre around them not operating profitably or a profitable as they could be, not operating efficiently in present form, changes in travelling patterns, congestion & unreliability etc. The changes are ultimately designed to improve the fortunes for NX's business, that is the harsh reality. The are other external factors such as political pressures that may have forced NX's hand with re-introducing part of the 289, local campaign groups / MP's / other stakeholders etc Similar to the 297 being re-instated back in to Stickley Estate for 6 months on a use it or loose it basis
Centro are the ones responsible for providing / funding socially necessary routes than don't carry sufficient passengers number / generate enough revenue to cover the operating costs.
Regarding the reliability issue, it's been stated several times on here about the Walsall to Wolverhampton 89 route.
At the time of the 2010 North Walsall review, it was the 560 Wolves to Bloxwich & the 346 & 348 Bloxwich, Pelsall to Walsall, which were joined into the 20 min frequency 908, then when the Wolves & West Walsall review came along, it was changed to the half hourly 89, citing reliability issues.
3 or 4 years down the line, it is still running late, according to posts on here.
Why isn't NX doing anything about that route, or aren't the reliability issues severe enough to act?
Tbh, it makes it worse when the 89 gets caught up in the same traffic as the 59/69 on the Lichfield Rd then further down on Wednesfield Rd in Heath Town. Quite regulary, there are two together.
Also, Despite no publicity, a fair few passengers on the earlier Sunday trips on the 59 (WN) this morning.
What irritates me is that they only consult people at the time of a bus review. Surely any changes that as classed as being more than minor ones, should be consulted on.
I know i talk about London a lot, but TFL do consult with people when they are going to alter routes, surely it wouldn't be difficult for this to happen within the West Midlands.
How many people will turn up at there bus stops tomorrow to find that there bus service has changed and they don't know about it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 15, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
What irritates me is that they only consult people at the time of a bus review. Surely any changes that as classed as being more than minor ones, should be consulted on.
I know i talk about London a lot, but TFL do consult with people when they are going to alter routes, surely it wouldn't be difficult for this to happen within the West Midlands.
How many people will turn up at there bus stops tomorrow to find that there bus service has changed and they don't know about it!
TFL are not a commercial business
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
TFL are not a commercial business
That is true
@Winston , but surely even a commercial business has a duty to consult with its customers. NEs attitude (and they are not the only ones) is that we are going to change route X and if you don't like it, Tough! Is that the way you should treat your customers?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 15, 2015, 09:09:33 PM
That is true @Winston , but surely even a commercial business has a duty to consult with its customers. NEs attitude (and they are not the only ones) is that we are going to change route X and if you don't like it, Tough! Is that the way you should treat your customers?
TFL are more on a par with Centro (on a smaller scale)
They are well within their right to change a commercial service as they see fit, if the travel public don't like the changes they will vote with their feet / complaints will sky rocket, if NX have got it wrong they will be left red faced. They don't have a duty to consult, only inform of changes in plenty of time, so those impacted by the service changes can make alternative arrangements worst case scenario (which in this instance appears to have been left to the last minute for whatever reason).
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 15, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
What irritates me is that they only consult people at the time of a bus review. Surely any changes that as classed as being more than minor ones, should be consulted on.
I know i talk about London a lot, but TFL do consult with people when they are going to alter routes, surely it wouldn't be difficult for this to happen within the West Midlands.
How many people will turn up at there bus stops tomorrow to find that there bus service has changed and they don't know about it!
I agree that the changes have been publicised at such short notice that it has been near impossible to sufficiently inform passengers adequately, already today I witnessed and had to inform a passenger on the 1 that it no longer went to Broad Street, and was terminating at Morrisons at Five Ways.
However, I do recall that there was a public consultation that took place earlier this year with regards to bus services in Dudley and Sandwell, which were well publicised at the time, so anyone who failed to offer their opinion, really shouldn't be moaning about the changes that have taken place.
And as we have seen previously, the number of people who have signed petitions after such changes have taken place do not normally add up to the number of passengers who use the services in question! Having said that, NX did quite quickly reverse the change made to the 31 last year when it was removed from Olton Boulevard East and the top part of Gospel Lane in Acocks Green, so it can and does happen.
Quote from: Stu on November 15, 2015, 09:23:29 PM
I agree that the changes have been publicised at such short notice that it has been near impossible to sufficiently inform passengers adequately, already today I witnessed and had to inform a passenger on the 1 that it no longer went to Broad Street, and was terminating at Morrisons at Five Ways.
However, I do recall that there was a public consultation that took place earlier this year with regards to bus services in Dudley and Sandwell, which were well publicised at the time, so anyone who failed to offer their opinion, really shouldn't be moaning about the changes that have taken place.
And as we have seen previously, the number of people who have signed petitions after such changes have taken place do not normally add up to the number of passengers who use the services in question! Having said that, NX did quite quickly reverse the change made to the 31 last year when it was removed from Olton Boulevard East and the top part of Gospel Lane in Acocks Green, so it can and does happen.
@Stu , these changes are not to do with the Dudley/Sandwell bus review, these changes are now due next year.
Sadly this particular time, we have seen that the changes have not been well publicised with the Network West Midland site not having timetables for some services until the latter end of this week.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 15, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
@Stu , these changes are not to do with the Dudley/Sandwell bus review, these changes are now due next year.
Sadly this particular time, we have seen that the changes have not been well publicised with the Network West Midland site not having timetables for some services until the latter end of this week.
Do you know exactly when this will take place? I'm optimistic that another network review will be good for the area
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 15, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
Do you know exactly when this will take place? I'm optimistic that another network review will be good for the area
A lot of routes / links were cut in the original Dudley review, hopefully now NX are more financially stable some services / links that were marginal may be considered for partial return. The last couple of reviews have led to pvr increases rather than cuts
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 15, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
Do you know exactly when this will take place? I'm optimistic that another network review will be good for the area
@Sh4318 It was mentioned on here a while ago that it is due early next year, which is why i am surprised that these changes are taking place now especially just before Christmas.
Just wondering when these rumours of the 29 going double decker are meant to materialise? Hopefully thid will be sooner rather than later as it'stands becomong a bit of a joke during the mornings. Also, just to note, i heard three separate conversations that centred around the confusion over the 29A/48 changes this morning - no flags have been changed, no timetables updated and nothing on the bus! Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum.
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on November 16, 2015, 08:42:55 AM
Just wondering when these rumours of the 29 going double decker are meant to materialise? Hopefully thid will be sooner rather than later as it'stands becomong a bit of a joke during the mornings. Also, just to note, i heard three separate conversations that centred around the confusion over the 29A/48 changes this morning - no flags have been changed, no timetables updated and nothing on the bus! Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere on the forum.
I went on the new route of the 48 yesterday and saw double deckers (including at least one hybrid) on the 29; this may only apply to Sunday for the time being due to fewer buses being in use at this time, although I could be wrong.
I agree that next to no flags have been changed, let alone timetables! ::)
I was at the starting point of the 48 yesterday (Northfield, Lockwood Rd), the flags still say 29/29A and there are no timetables for the 48; the average member of the public may be quite shocked to see a bus with the front reading "48 West Bromwich" all of a sudden.
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2015, 09:20:14 PM
They don't have a duty to consult, only inform of changes in plenty of time, so those impacted by the service changes can make alternative arrangements worst case scenario (which in this instance appears to have been left to the last minute for whatever reason).
Lol.
Don't be silly this isn't the first time they've left it late to inform the travelling public and sure as hell won't be the last.
Really makes them look stupid
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 10:08:22 AM
Lol.
Don't be silly this isn't the first time they've left it late to inform the travelling public and sure as hell won't be the last.
Really makes them look stupid
Haha, its kind of like they don't want to give people people time to complain before it can be cancelled :D
Nxwm app still showing 53 running
There's a set registration period with the TC they has to meet so there are no excuses that standard timescales don't exist for informing the staff/public by publicising changes and producing timetables etc. Sounds like something that should be written into alliance agreements that are signed up as a commitment to deliver.
Quote from: JoNi on November 16, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
There's a set registration period with the TC they has to meet so there are no excuses that standard timescales don't exist for informing the staff/public by publicising changes and producing timetables etc. Sounds like something that should be written into alliance agreements that are signed up as a commitment to deliver.
Exactly.
And we knew there were changes coming only because some of us know where to look for these registrations.
But Joe Public?
Quote from: JoNi on November 16, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
There's a set registration period with the TC they has to meet so there are no excuses that standard timescales don't exist for informing the staff/public by publicising changes and producing timetables etc. Sounds like something that should be written into alliance agreements that are signed up as a commitment to deliver.
Except a lot of these changes were done under short notice registrations.
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
Except a lot of these changes were done under short notice registrations.
And why? What excuse would an operator have for such a major raft of short notice registrations?
Surely the city centre changes would have been known about a fair bit in advance but understand if they weren't, they're out of NX's control.
But the Warley changes? The Weoley Castle changes?
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 10:50:23 AM
And why? What excuse would an operator have for such a major raft of short notice registrations?
Surely the city centre changes would have been known about a fair bit in advance but understand if they weren't, they're out of NX's control.
But the Warley changes? The Weoley Castle changes?
It was the City Centre changes, which were not finalised until very late on. This affected things like the 129 registration, didn't knowwhich way out of Birmingham it had to go, which in turn meant PVR & times couldn't be finalised which then due to driver's shifts and timetable planning meant other services couldn't be finalised either.
The fact the TC accepted these changes under short notice registrations tells you they were unavoidable
I was travelling back from Northfield this morning on the 48 and while going down Black Haynes Road (the 'old' 29 route), on 3 separate occasions there was passengers at the separate stops that just allowed the bus to go past while obviously oblivious to the fact that the bus they are used to, and still expecting to turn up, never will! I did mention this to the driver when I got off, he simply replied "everyone's confused".
I would of expected (given the lack of changes to timetables and flags) the driver of the service in question to stop the bus and explain to those individuals waiting that the 48 is now the only service to serve the road and advise what would be best to do - this didn't happen and I can only presume those in question had a fairly long wait before realising something wasn't adding up. Instances like this simply can not be justified, the failure to get flags and timetables changed is inexcusable.
Even just an A4 paper notice on the bus stops, until the timetables are printed, would be better than nothing and pretty easy to do. Doesn't help that even the NX website still show the 48 as going to Bartley Green
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on November 16, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
I was travelling back from Northfield this morning on the 48 and while going down Black Haynes Road (the 'old' 29 route), on 3 separate occasions there was passengers at the separate stops that just allowed the bus to go past while obviously oblivious to the fact that the bus they are used to, and still expecting to turn up, never will! I did mention this to the driver when I got off, he simply replied "everyone's confused".
I would of expected (given the lack of changes to timetables and flags) the driver of the service in question to stop the bus and explain to those individuals waiting that the 48 is now the only service to serve the road and advise what would be best to do - this didn't happen and I can only presume those in question had a fairly long wait before realising something wasn't adding up. Instances like this simply can not be justified, the failure to get flags and timetables changed is inexcusable.
Similarly, there are going to be people waiting for the 53 on roads that have been omitted from the 50A/C; they will be oblivious to the changes (with flags remaining unchanged and timetables being incorrectly labelled as still being valid from 15th November)
Passengers will be waiting for quite a while before they realise anything is amiss - especially the many elderly passengers who I have seen on the route who most likely have no Internet access and will be reliant on the very few and very late paper notices placed on the buses themselves.
This is not really acceptable - if not in a legal sense, then definitely in a moral and ethical sense!
Quote from: Russ Smith on November 16, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Even just an A4 paper notice on the bus stops, until the timetables are printed, would be better than nothing and pretty easy to do. Doesn't help that even the NX website still show the 48 as going to Bartley Green
I might do a bit of bus bashing today, to see all the fun and games unfold in my area
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on November 16, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
I was travelling back from Northfield this morning on the 48 and while going down Black Haynes Road (the 'old' 29 route), on 3 separate occasions there was passengers at the separate stops that just allowed the bus to go past while obviously oblivious to the fact that the bus they are used to, and still expecting to turn up, never will! I did mention this to the driver when I got off, he simply replied "everyone's confused".
I would of expected (given the lack of changes to timetables and flags) the driver of the service in question to stop the bus and explain to those individuals waiting that the 48 is now the only service to serve the road and advise what would be best to do - this didn't happen and I can only presume those in question had a fairly long wait before realising something wasn't adding up. Instances like this simply can not be justified, the failure to get flags and timetables changed is inexcusable.
Flag & timetable updates are the responsibility of Centro to update not NX as per their partnership agreement, they have as big a part to play in the late notification of these changes, probably more.
From Tony's response it clearly suggests that NX themselves have been delayed from confirming some of the changes, I can only assume some of them stems from Birmingham City Council & the lack of planning for closure of Paradise Circus & alternative routings available out of the City Centre
127/8 service, loving the long drive to Dudley on the evening ,128 Oldbury to brum, 127 brum to Dudley 1h45 mins 17 minute drop back all good come Friday Saturday nite you gonna need it, 127 Dudley to brum ,128 brum to Oldbury just under 4 hours thank you very much a very nice cruise to be honest ,even though my duty was bad one for a Sunday nearly 9 hrs.
From city the times are now plus 4 minutes from old timetable at most timing points.
The sainsbury stop blackheath doesn't have 127 on the flag but does have a timetable I got out to have a look. I was wandering whether I was meant to serve blackheath sainsbury stop, my running card had printed blackheath the markets as timing point city bound , blackheath markets timing point on the 127 is for Dudley bound buses as I understand it. The Barclays blackheath stop is flagged 127 city bound so I concluded 127 still serves sainsbury stop then.
I,m expecting bedlam this evening on great Charles st and new hall st crossing drivers of all types vehicles not observing the yellow box at the traffic lights.
From what I can see from my window, I'm going to enjoy the vehicle allocation of the 50A/C a lot more than the actual route itself. I've saw one ALX, one Gemini and heard what sounded like a 47** Enviro on there so far
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 16, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
From what I can see from my window, I'm going to enjoy the vehicle allocation of the 50A/C a lot more than the actual route itself. I've saw one ALX, one Gemini and heard what sounded like a 47** Enviro on there so far
Ah, so its another one of those routes where they don't put priority on the vehicles used. They'll probably use the oldest possible buses and fall back onto other buses such as the Enviro 400 when needed.
It was very much like this with PN 53, very low priority for 'good' vehicles, if you like.
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
From Tony's response it clearly suggests that NX themselves have been delayed from confirming some of the changes, I can only assume some of them stems from Birmingham City Council & the lack of planning for closure of Paradise Circus & alternative routings available out of the City Centre
But does that really excuse the lack of information?
Does it actually mean they couldn't register the other bits of the route and the associated other routes that are affected ie the 48?
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 01:27:18 PM
But does that really excuse the lack of information?
Does it actually mean they couldn't register the other bits of the route and the associated other routes that are affected ie the 48?
I'm guessing not, probably due to interworkings with other services entering Birmingham.
However, I agree with the lack of information. The example mentioned earlier with people letting the 48 drive past due to being unaware of the change backs this up; earlier and more detailed notices on the buses (and major bus stops) would make a lot more people aware of the changes (even if the flags remained outdated).
Maybe they could have arranged the other changes (outside Birmingham) for a later date; this would prevent the confusion and last minute public notices, caused by the uncertainty of required changes in Birmingham around Paradise Circus.
Others may disagree here, this is just my opinion.
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 01:27:18 PM
But does that really excuse the lack of information?
Does it actually mean they couldn't register the other bits of the route and the associated other routes that are affected ie the 48?
But the 48 was involved.
If the TC had refused the short notice registration for the 29 then the 48 didn't need to change the same day.
The registration for both services obviously has to be made the same day to apply the same day
In some way or another all of the service changes were tied in to either Solihull Town centre or Paradise Circus. The changes had to apply from yesterday as that was the day the road layouts change, but without getting 8 weeks notice of exact dates and road layouts, services cannot be registered
Quote from: r700a on November 16, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
Ah, so its another one of those routes where they don't put priority on the vehicles used. They'll probably use the oldest possible buses and fall back onto other buses such as the Enviro 400 when needed.
It was very much like this with PN 53, very low priority for 'good' vehicles, if you like.
To be honest, I don't think there are enough single decks to cover the 50A/C, so double decks are the only option
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2015, 02:09:50 PM
But the 48 was involved.
If the TC had refused the short notice registration for the 29 then the 48 didn't need to change the same day.
The registration for both services obviously has to be made the same day to apply the same day
In some way or another all of the service changes were tied in to either Solihull Town centre or Paradise Circus. The changes had to apply from yesterday as that was the day the road layouts change, but without getting 8 weeks notice of exact dates and road layouts, services cannot be registered
The only other potential option would have been to delay the road layout changes by an extra couple of weeks so bus operators had more time to notify their passengers & delay the implementation of changes. This then wouldn't happen, as Birmingham City Council would have been hit with extra costs for delays from various other parties including the main contractor responsible for re-building Paradise Circus. As Birmingham City Council aren't overly pro bus, it is the bus passengers that are now suffering for their dithering....
There is always a much bigger picture behind various issues such as these, that most people can't & don't want to see.
The 72 timetables have not been changed on the stops & the bus stop flags from Chelmsley Wood to Solihull still have the 70 on them surely by now this should of been sorted. Did seem strange seeing a 72E for Chelmsley Wood on an inbound journey at Berwick's Lane turning. The new 20 minute frequency to Chelmsley Wood from town will cause a few problems until people get used to it, it is a good job network west midlands have an up to date timetable online so I could get the time for a 72 to Garretts Green Lane for a job interview this morning
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 02:16:16 PM
There is always a much bigger picture behind various issues such as these, that most people can't & don't want to see.
I can see it. But....
We knew on here there were going to be changes at least a certain amount of time before they happened.
NX knew there were going to be city centre changes otherwise they wouldn't have delayed releasing their other changes. So why did they have to make those other changes at that time and not another time well in advance?
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 02:55:45 PM
I can see it. But....
We knew on here there were going to be changes at least a certain amount of time before they happened.
NX knew there were going to be city centre changes otherwise they wouldn't have delayed releasing their other changes. So why did they have to make those other changes at that time and not another time well in advance?
I've already answered that!
You cannot change the 48 without the 29, the 50A/C without the 129, and that's without the other complications involving vehicles and drivers
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I've already answered that!
You cannot change the 48 without the 29, the 50A/C without the 129, and that's without the other complications involving vehicles and drivers
Poor choice of wording on my part there perhaps.
What I meant was. NX knew that the city centre changes were gong to happen so held off on registering everything. Fair enough.
But knowing this would delay the registrations, could they have just not bothered with all the other changes like those Warley and Weoley Castle?
There was no real urgency in the changes and so
could have waited for another time when they could give enough notice and wouldn't confuse people as much as is evident
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 03:06:37 PM
Poor choice of wording on my part there perhaps.
What I meant was. NX knew that the city centre changes were gong to happen so held off on registering everything. Fair enough.
But knowing this would delay the registrations, could they have just not bothered with all the other changes like those Warley and Weoley Castle?
There was no real urgency in the changes and so could have waited for another time when they could give enough notice and wouldn't confuse people as much as is evident
The Broad Street changes have required lots of extra buses just to try an make the timetables robust enough to try and run a respectable service, hence the 7 (now 6) Mercedes being in use, so yes the whole package of changes did need to be made together
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
The Broad Street changes have required lots of extra buses just to try an make the timetables robust enough to try and run a respectable service, hence the 7 (now 6) Mercedes being in use, so yes the whole package of changes did need to be made together
Mmmmm. Convenient. Ok will accept.
But still none of it excuses the lack of information for the public though does it?
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
Mmmmm. Convenient. Ok will accept.
But still none of it excuses the lack of information for the public though does it?
You have been given numerous reasons regarding the lack of information for the public, NX can't confirm what they don't know themselves
NX will cop for all the various negative sentiment towards some of these changes, whilst the parties further up the chain get off scot-free
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 03:30:24 PM
You have been given numerous reasons regarding the lack of information for the public, NX can't confirm what they don't know themselves
Correction. I've been given numerous reasons why the
changes themselves have happened at relatively short notice and why at least the city centre changes have been publicised at similarly short notice. Effectively all of the reasons why NX are not guilty (no level of sarcasm intended there, I accept it ain't their fault it's all happened)
But
When they
did know, could they not have done more to inform? Reports of bus stops not being updated (72 and 29/48 elsewhere in this thread, and first hand today when a woman got on the 46 at Sandwell Hospital asking the driver where the through bus to Smethwick has gone). Granted officially Centro's job, but simple A4 pieces of paper at bus stops as per those on Colmore Row would have done the job there well enough until Centro get round to properly updating the stops.
Saw the 129 come into merry hill earlier. Only ~3 people on it.
Still aloft thereabouts described for the late changes are understandable. Hopefully the situation will ease with time.
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
Correction. I've been given numerous reasons why the changes themselves have happened at relatively short notice and why at least the city centre changes have been publicised at similarly short notice. Effectively all of the reasons why NX are not guilty (no level of sarcasm intended there, I accept it ain't their fault it's all happened)
But
When they did know, could they not have done more to inform? Reports of bus stops not being updated (72 and 29/48 elsewhere in this thread, and first hand today when a woman got on the 46 at Sandwell Hospital asking the driver where the through bus to Smethwick has gone). Granted officially Centro's job, but simple A4 pieces of paper at bus stops as per those on Colmore Row would have done the job there well enough until Centro get round to properly updating the stops.
NX can only inform when they know themselves, they can & probably have put inspectors at the main terminuses to advise confused passengers of revised stopping locations etc. They can't put them everywhere.
Even though the registrations were published/submitted late, they (Centro) still would of had a more time than us for notification of the changes being implemented. It is Centro that are responsible for providing / updating timetable information & updating street furniture (bus stop flags) as part of the NX/Centro partnership. Centro could have put staff on overtime to change all this information over the weekend of the 14th/15th Nov, so people unaware of the changes would at least find out when they got to the bus stops
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
NX can only inform when they know themselves, they can & probably have put inspectors at the main terminuses to advise confused passengers of revised stopping locations etc. They can't put them everywhere.
They have to be fair. Seen a load in town and up Broad Street. Didn't pay too much attention whether they were NX or Centro people though. But still they were there.
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
Even though the registrations were published/submitted late, they (Centro) still would of had a more time than us for notification of the changes being implemented. It is Centro that are responsible for providing / updating timetable information & updating street furniture (bus stop flags) as part of the NX/Centro partnership. Centro could have put staff on overtime to change all this information over the weekend of the 14th/15th Nov, so people unaware of the changes would at least find out when they got to the bus stops
So who's put the temporary notices in the bus stops on Colmore Row? NX or Centro?
Quote from: Winston on November 16, 2015, 04:40:26 PM
NX can only inform when they know themselves, they can & probably have put inspectors at the main terminuses to advise confused passengers of revised stopping locations etc. They can't put them everywhere.
Even though the registrations were published/submitted late, they (Centro) still would of had a more time than us for notification of the changes being implemented. It is Centro that are responsible for providing / updating timetable information & updating street furniture (bus stop flags) as part of the NX/Centro partnership. Centro could have put staff on overtime to change all this information over the weekend of the 14th/15th Nov, so people unaware of the changes would at least find out when they got to the bus stops
To be fair, there was an NX staff member on board my 50C earlier to assist passengers on the changes
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2015, 04:48:55 PM
They have to be fair. Seen a load in town and up Broad Street. Didn't pay too much attention whether they were NX or Centro people though. But still they were there.
So who's put the temporary notices in the bus stops on Colmore Row? NX or Centro?
I believe (and happy to be corrected) that Centro are responsible for all bus stop information at either the likes of Colmore Row, bus stations & individual stops & shelters, Centro own / are resonsible for the infrastructure. NX are obviously resposible for their own on board notices etc
Yeah it is Centro responsibility - they were slow at changing stops in South Solihull last time so no surprise regarding this latest demonstration of efficency! :D NX should be able to rely on Centro to actually have the stops and timetables ready - NX have advertised on the website the changes. Only issue would be that NX need to change some of the route pages to reflect route changes. Another idea would have been for Centro to put leaflets in the post of Weoley and Londonderry to actually let people know. Swear they did that once somewhere.
Spotted a double decker platinum bus on the 29 this afternoon.
Echoing what others have said the flags on gibbons road hadn't been updated to show the X64 no longer goes that way and the stops on Weoley Park Road still showed "not in use".
There were a couple of people of the 48 on swarthmore road this morning but it was nowhere near as busy as the 29 used to be, but I expect that is partly due to not all passengers realising that the 29 no longer serves swarthmore road.
Still think that 48 route should have been left as it was and the X64 should have been amended.
Also spotted the 22 showing Kitwell as a destination instead of Woodgate this evening.
22 will have kept their displays as "Kitwell" to avoid confusion. As mentioned in the NW thread, 6704 was on the 29.
@sonic84 ;)
With the new route change within the city centre, the Harbornes have gained a bus stop on Smallbrook Queensway, under the bridge, where the 16 will serve also.
Did a 129 today not very happy passengers from merry hill to bearwood very few plates and timetables changed app still showing 53 running so passengers young and old were still waiting for buses that no longer ran also Birmingham side of route 129 on plates from old route but timetables still say bus was going to west brom
Quote from: karl724223 on November 16, 2015, 08:30:39 PM
Did a 129 today not very happy passengers from merry hill to bearwood very few plates and timetables changed app still showing 53 running so passengers young and old were still waiting for buses that no longer ran also Birmingham side of route 129 on plates from old route but timetables still say bus was going to west brom
No wonder the service I saw was dead quiet!
After riding the 50, I have to be honest, the concept is of this kind of circular is a good idea, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired, roads that have been served by past routes 53, 444 for over 10 years are left without a bus route/a lesser service, it serves a lot of the roads that other, more frequent and ultimate quicker routes serve, I'm happy to see its operated by decker so though, even though they're not really needed
The 129 was dead as expected, it's early days, but I don't think it'll be a busy route on the whole. I haven't ridden the 48 yet, but I think I'll do it off peak, so I have a good chance of a seat
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 17, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
After riding the 50, I have to be honest, the concept is of this kind of circular is a good idea, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired, roads that have been served by past routes 53, 444 for over 10 years are left without a bus route/a lesser service, it serves a lot of the roads that other, more frequent and ultimate quicker routes serve, I'm happy to see its operated by decker so though, even though they're not really needed
The 129 was dead as expected, it's early days, but I don't think it'll be a busy route on the whole. I haven't ridden the 48 yet, but I think I'll do it off peak, so I have a good chance of a seat
Fair play, never thought I'd hear you say that after your comments.
I'm not fully familiar with the area, but do the more frequent / quicker routes that you refer to where the 50 A/C runs parallel result in previous destinations were served with a direct route are still served with the addition of a change of bus?
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2015, 12:34:51 AM
Fair play, never thought I'd hear you say that after your comments.
I'm not fully familiar with the area, but do the more frequent / quicker routes that you refer to where the 50 A/C runs parallel result in previous destinations were served with a direct route are still served with the addition of a change of bus?
I'm not sure I completely understand the question, but I'll try and answer it as best I can. Bearwood to Londonderry is still served, by the 120, it takes 5 minutes, the 50 takes 20 minutes to get to Bearwood from Londonderry. Bearwood to Warley is still served, by the 127-9, takes approximately 10 minutes, the 50 takes 12 minures.
The frequencies of both (120, 127-9) are every 10 minutes, so already have an edge over the 50. The problem here is the 50 goes "around the rekin" as they say, so you would never get the 50 over any of these routes. Even if you lived on Hales Lane or Norman Road, you'd probably still go for those routes over the 50
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 17, 2015, 01:11:02 AM
I'm not sure I completely understand the question, but I'll try and answer it as best I can. Bearwood to Londonderry is still served, by the 120, it takes 5 minutes, the 50 serves Thimblemill Road and the Queens Head. Bearwood to Warley is still served, by the 127-9, takes approximately 10 minutes. The frequencies of both are every 10 minutes, so already have an edge over the 50. The problem here is the 50 goes "around the rekin" as they say, so you would never get the 50 over any of these routes
Previously where you used the example Londonderry lose a direct link to Merry Hill with the withdrawal of the 53. Can passengers in the Londonderry area not still travel a short distance on the 50 A/C & change on to a 129 where they meet to get to Merry Hill? I.e. effectively is the new 50 A/C providing a circular service that's crosses over various Sandwell corridors to maintain the links that were previously served with the addition of passengers to make one change to reach their end destination?
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2015, 01:19:29 AM
Previously where you used the example Londonderry lose a direct link to Merry Hill with the withdrawal of the 53. Can passengers in the Londonderry area not still travel a short distance on the 50 A/C & change on to a 129 where they meet to get to Merry Hill? I.e. effectively is the new 50 A/C providing a circular service that's crosses over various Sandwell corridors to maintain the links that were previously served with the addition of passengers to make one change to reach their end destination?
Oh, I get you. To be fair, you can use the 50 to connect with the 129 and only have a few minutes wait at the George. This hasn't really publicised, so I think people who live at Londonderry, like my friend(s) (who used the 53 to Merry Hill for work) will end up getting the 120 & 4M to get to Merry Hill. The 50 also reconnects Hales Lane back to Bearwood, a link that was lost in 2012
Seen a notice in the garage 127 route to city amended in blackheath town centre , after making the sainsbury stop it will come round to the big island in the town and turn right to make the market stop on long lane, 127 will not serve Barclay bank stop. Really is last second.com
Quote from: 2900 on November 17, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
Seen a notice in the garage 127 route to city amended in blackheath town centre , after making the sainsbury stop it will come round to the big island in the town and turn right to make the market stop on long lane, 127 will not serve Barclay bank stop. Really is last second.com
According to the timetable and map on Network West Midlands, it doesn't even serve Sainsbury's any more; it seems to just omits this stop completely...
I'm guessing this change is to coordinate with the 129, but surely if they want to do this with the 129, what was the difference with the 53 apart from the number??
This is really going to throw a lot of people off for the next few days.
Some of AGs Presidents now have a notice on them that the 71, 72, 49 and a couple of other routes in Solihull that our listed now serve the railway station again
Still the bus stops on the 53 route not been changed or the Birmingham end still showing 129 to West Bromwich
Quote from: karl724223 on November 18, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
Still the bus stops on the 53 route not been changed or the Birmingham end still showing 129 to West Bromwich
The first stop after 129 leaves merry hill still says 53
Bus stops finally been changed on the 53/129 section of route merry hill to cradley Heath
72 timetables have also been changed around Bromford Estate noticed today while waiting on Chipperfield Road in the wet 12pm
59 timetable still hasn't been changed in Wolverhampton Bus Station. As a result, the old timetable doesn't list the earlier Sunday trips at 07:40 and 08:30.
Since the 444 it is indeed true that the Blue gates via Stony Lane Devonshire Rd onto Londonderry hasnt been replaced. Especially as Devonshire Rd is a Hill and impractical to walk up. As far as I know getting on there (444) it was always packed. I think the problem was more Warley as it took so long. But now even the 50A/C takes 30mins to Bearwood and the 48 from Holly Lane is quicker so in a sense the 444 wasnt replaced on this section. The links to Oldbury and Beawood isnt that great and I certainly wouldnt use the 87 or 89 from Oldbury with shopping due to hills the 120 would be a better option. I know the 55 is used a lot to ferry folk from High Street Smethwick up the hill and in that section its always packed more so than the rest of its route and the 21, 20, 122 which I see few people on. The Igo 21 could be rerouted to serve Devonshire and Stony Lane better (as the 83 doesnt go to either Oldbury or Bearwood but is a great bus otherwise). I saw the 20 has been rerouted to serve Alexander Rd. I do see a number of roads omitted and most probably walk to quicker buses e.g. 120. A more direct Smethwick High Street Merry Hill bus might be useful especially with the new hospital. I like the idea of a circular on 50A/C but it would require maybe two routes it would be difficult to serve that many roads in Warley and it isnt that direct (most don't mind serving other roads but it can take too long. I also notice many roads with no West Bromwich Bus e.g. Londonderry Lane or no Bearwood bus or no Oldbury bus e.g. Holly Lane. I am sure many smaller companies could fill in the gaps better. The no Londonderry bus to Causeway Green and no Oldbury and Blackheath bus for Causeway Green is a little odd. Maybe the 128 and 89 swapping roads might be better e.g. 89 to Bristnall Hall Rd then Brookfields Langley Green Tat Bank, and 128 covering Manor Rd Holly Lane Devonshire and High Street (currently no Bearwood buses) might provide better crossover as well at 50A/C via High St Stony and Londonderry Lane might cover it better as opposed going up a small piece of Holly Lane which gives no service or even bus stops. Just suggestions. Cheers
444 should have been made simplier how ignoring Blue Gates, Stony Lane and Devonshire was a bad idea and since its a low car use area not thought out, no Bearwood, West Bromwich or Oldbury service for a number of roads but never mind The George in Oldbury has everything lol a quick rerouting of the 21 would have solved this but clearly they don't think people around Stony Lane need to get to Bearwood and forgot Devonshire is one big hill so impractical for shopping where many places are flat nevermind put all the buses in high car usage areas!
129 could be a more Smethwick Merry Hill Bus and could go via Londonderry (still going by parts of Warley) but clearly Smethwick folk near the High Street don't need Merry Hill a Warley has it instead. the 129 could have linked Blackheath via Causeway Green and go via Langley Green providing Causeway Green with a Londonderry and Blackheath via Rowley Regis station link as the 127 is the only bus to the station and it does need a better linkage. The 129 could also link Blackheath folk with the new hospital in Cape Hill better as currently it takes an age for the 89 to get to me so to Cape Hill its nearing 50-1hr when Blackheath is around 15-20mins away from me.
Quote from: 2900 on November 14, 2015, 11:00:24 AM
From listening to colleagues and from observing the 46 around londerry sides, it's waste of time and resources are the comments I heard so few passengers use it . I personally can't recall ever seeing more than a handful on at any one time others may know different.
No doubt centro and wmsnt I go will fill in the gaps as they do, being a charity they don't have to worry about there profit margins.
But the reality is none of these roads are super profitable which is why profits get in the way of logic service. The 46 didnt go anywhere tbf just Londonderry if it went to Oldbury or Bearwood it would have been useful. But the current replacement takes an age to get to Bearwood when the current 120 is always packed. The reason why is the 120 goes somewhere and links useful places up which is more than I can say for most of these buses. NX trying to make a profit will be left disappointed which is why they have to keep changing the routes. A bus company designing routes is a bad idea for me. There is no link to Merry Hill in Smethwick High Street there is no Causeway Green bus from Londonderry, there is no Bearwood bus linking the leisure centres up, basing a route just on profit has huge flaws and by connecting places together better you have more profit anyway. Most of the roads around there are huge the roads alone by me are massive no bus means big walks up and down hills with shopping not practical regardless of profits and it will be the shopping centres losing out.
But you have to look at profits when routing services. No profits means loss of investment in new buses & ultimately a loss of a company.
The figures & amount of information the ticket machines give back these days gives a full picture of what sections of routes times etc where a route is making or losing money & decisions are made based on those figures.
Quote from: MickeyCool36 on May 23, 2016, 11:20:19 PM
129 could be a more Smethwick Merry Hill Bus and could go via Londonderry (still going by parts of Warley) but clearly Smethwick folk near the High Street don't need Merry Hill a Warley has it instead. the 129 could have linked Blackheath via Causeway Green and go via Langley Green providing Causeway Green with a Londonderry and Blackheath via Rowley Regis station link as the 127 is the only bus to the station and it does need a better linkage. The 129 could also link Blackheath folk with the new hospital in Cape Hill better as currently it takes an age for the 89 to get to me so to Cape Hill its nearing 50-1hr when Blackheath is around 15-20mins away from me.
I can't see much demand from local people in Smethwick for a bus to Merry Hill. There is also the added confusion of buses running around Smethwick / Handsworth displaying Merry Hill as locals assume it turns round in Winson green.
When Pete's travel merged the 440 and 123 to create a through Perry Barr to Merry Hill route many locals stopped using it because they though it terminated in Winson Green. People making a return journey from Handsworth to Cape / Bearwood would see a bus with 123 Merry Hill and ask the driver what time the next bus to Waterloo Road... is. Many regulars on the 440 towards Cape and Bearwood stopped using the service, travelling by the 11 and Dudley Road services instead.
People in those areas are very loyal to their local shopping centres.
es but the reason they aren't profitable is they don't go where people need them to go, when you base things on profits you miss other things for example linking places that need linking as local people need linking to local facilities, for example people in Bearwood cannot get a direct link to Smethwick High Street and those in parts of West Smethwick and Smethwick High Street cannot get to shopping and facilities in Bearwood, it also ignores topography of an area. The bus I got onto Bearwood was fine and always busy when I got on it in fact I had to stand on many occasions. There's tonnes of housing, to say many areas aren't profitable makes no sense, over 40-50% by me don't own cars and most have turned to cars and taxis and not buses mainly due to reliability, lack of a comprehensive network, poor connections to local facilities so fewer people use buses means skewed passenger numbers not that people don't need better service
I think the route you are talking about is a small section between of folk Handsworth and Cape that doesn't really represents most in Smethwick and I doubt few are asked what they want. The reality is in West Smethwick there's a large portion that never go to Handsworth or Winson Green I never do, why would I?. Looking at the 129 that's a Bearwood, Warley bus not a Smethwick High Street one which is much further north it even avoids Londonderry (a big bus hub), and silly as most going to Merry Hill there use cars as its a higher car usage area, in north and West Smethwick car usage is much lower (which is why direct, fast services like the 87 are used and there are no train or Metro stations near Cape or Bearwood so bus usage will be higher and more logical), so bus companies are missing a trick not providing better linkage to places like Merry Hill. I too am loyal to local centres, Oldbury, Bearwood, Cape and West Brom, if Merry Hill buses are going to be located in Oldbury and West Brom and Bearwood then the links to these places need to be good for some sections these are fine others are very poor, infact why would I travel to West Brom and Bearwood to connect to Merry Hill when these are in opposite directions both to where I live and Merry Hill its illogical! The logical connection is Oldbury. The current system seems to see as Smethwick and Oldbury being two separate places with two varying degree of bus services. The Oldbury part is 120's operated the Smethwick side is 80's operated and the two stick to the boundary. All but one Bearwood services to West Brom mainly stick to Warley, Oldbury side, the 80's apart from 82 (which sticks to Cape Hill) don't cross each others path. Those of us who live in between end up with a very disjointed service and the service don't cross over the areas meaning not only unreliable but also poorly connected and when you have neurological conditions like we do, take 2 buses that often don't connect and also coming back end up lugging shopping from bus stop to bus stop especially as coming back getting some services means dragging shopping up hills. Merry Hill being 2 or 3 buses away, or extra train fair isn't worth the extra hassle considering we also need to walk around a big shopping centre, poor linkage simply won't encourage visitors from Smethwick to Merry Hill, even if they wanted to go which I am guessing many will (no more than West Brom, Oldbury or Warley), so in other words people want Merry Hill from Warley on 129 but not North Smethwick? Whereas the 4M i see is always packed despite coming from Walsall, even if on a number of journeys people didn't use it solely for Merry Hill people use it to connect people along the way. The 87 and 82 is always rammed and I don't bother using these services much due to crowding and I don't exactly live on its route anyway! The 87 says Dudley and I know most from Smethwick don't go to Dudley but it really doesn't matter as long as it goes where people need it and is quick, direct and reliable in fact many go to Oldbury as well as Smethwick High Street. The 120 is always packed it goes through areas with the same passenger usage as me but its direct reliable and quick it gets to Bearwood in 5mins which is why I swap to use it or the 48 equally direct simple really, the one bus is just a connector service I rarely use it for anything else as it goes nowhere really, too many buses adds to low passenger numbers per route as many stick to buses they know and which get them there quicker, most of the add on services and newer services haven't added anything. Of coarse going shopping is one thing coming back with shopping is a different ball game especially if you have to lug it quite a distance.
QuoteI doubt few are asked what they want.
There's been a public consultation held before every major bus review, where the travelling public get to voice their opinions. If more people took part in these consultations, Centro would have a better picture of how to form new networks.
Quotefor example people in Bearwood cannot get a direct link to Smethwick High Street and those in parts of West Smethwick and Smethwick High Street cannot get to shopping and facilities in Bearwood
50A/C?
Quoteso bus companies are missing a trick not providing better linkage to places like Merry Hill
QuoteOf coarse going shopping is one thing coming back with shopping is a different ball game especially if you have to lug it quite a distance.
A lot of people drive to Merry Hill, because they're generally doing a 'big shop' or buying large items. Would you want to carry six bags of groceries and a 40" TV on a bus?
I don't know what the obsession with Merry Hill is anyway. People in Smethwick have a better selection of shops closer in Birmingham city centre anyway, why bus it all the way to Merry Hill for exactly the same stores? There are other shopping ares besides Merry Hill!
Quotewhy would I travel to West Brom and Bearwood to connect to Merry Hill when these are in opposite directions both to where I live and Merry Hill its illogical!
We can't all get direct bus links to where we like. I used to live near Londonderry (Basons Lane) and many years ago I used to have to get to work in Halesowen. So I used to get the 120 to the Hagley Road, to then change onto the frequent 9 (or 139 back then). You might think it's crazy to travel nearly half way to the city centre in the opposite direction, but for me it was just as quick as getting the 88 to Blackheath and then the 241 (which were both less frequent).
Cheers stu paragraphs always handy.
@Stu, to be pedantic, the 50A/C don't serve Smethwick High Street, it serves Rolfe Street and St Pauls Road, but misses out Blue Gates
Is the 37 now missing Olton Station out? Seen one in each direction miss it out today, looked weird!
Quote from: MW on June 08, 2016, 12:43:08 AM
Is the 37 now missing Olton Station out? Seen one in each direction miss it out today, looked weird!
Yes.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/bus-service-changes-in-birmingham-from-29th-may-2016
Quote from: Stu on June 05, 2016, 10:17:18 AM
There's been a public consultation held before every major bus review, where the travelling public get to voice their opinions. If more people took part in these consultations, Centro would have a better picture of how to form new networks.
50A/C?
A lot of people drive to Merry Hill, because they're generally doing a 'big shop' or buying large items. Would you want to carry six bags of groceries and a 40" TV on a bus?
I don't know what the obsession with Merry Hill is anyway. People in Smethwick have a better selection of shops closer in Birmingham city centre anyway, why bus it all the way to Merry Hill for exactly the same stores? There are other shopping ares besides Merry Hill!
We can't all get direct bus links to where we like. I used to live near Londonderry (Basons Lane) and many years ago I used to have to get to work in Halesowen. So I used to get the 120 to the Hagley Road, to then change onto the frequent 9 (or 139 back then). You might think it's crazy to travel nearly half way to the city centre in the opposite direction, but for me it was just as quick as getting the 88 to Blackheath and then the 241 (which were both less frequent).
I totally disagree. I have lived in Smethwick all my life. Id never shop in Birmingham the shops are overpriced and simply dont stock many things people use. I rarely go to Birmingham to shop the type of shops are utterly different and for a different set of people. Id always shop in West Brom. Actually you have missed the point. the point being its not about having a bus right by you its about having better links so you can get to other places you need to. The links are quite frankly rubbish and serve main roads. The 89 for example doesnt go to Bearwood from the Uplabds a pretty obvious link no wonder it is empty if it cannot even link locals up to local shopping centres. I would suggest with the new hospital a direct link to Blackheath rather than the 89 is better and get the 89 serving locals again. else most will use cars and taxis and cause congestion issues. if you going to have a regular 4M at least provide better links to Oldbury for locals. on consultation the surveys and locations of them mean many dont even get opinions heard leading to scewed opinions. the last one meant people in Warley benefitted while others hugely lost out. why not do surveys in local areas? even within areas people have different needs depending what buses pass you. on 50A/C are large section of Smethwick high street is missed out why does it only go to Rolfe street. I have heard people say theyd prefer the 48 since the 444 was took off (a problem due to Warley) why does it go up the small section Holly Lane - not even a bus stop? So it stops by Rolfe St where no one lives??? No very accesible and I doubt many in that section in Smetheick use it with the next stop to St Pauls Rd quite a distance to most. I like the 50A/C but poor route planning! Buses have to be practical if they not they wont be used. hardly a full 444 replacement
People moaning about 89 saying
1) too long of a route
2) buses old and breakdown
3) the drivers
Haha
They also said there are only 3 destinations they go to: Birmingham,merry hill, city hospital
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 19, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
People moaning about 89 saying
1) too long of a route
2) buses old and breakdown
3) the drivers
Haha
They also said there are only 3 destinations they go to: Birmingham,merry hill, city hospital
89 goes to Merry Hill does it.
Quote from: Dom on August 19, 2016, 01:22:23 PM
89 goes to Merry Hill does it.
No Dom, terminates at Blackheath
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2016, 01:26:41 PM
No Dom, terminates at Blackheath
I know, he said it goes to Merry Hill, hence my comment.
Quote from: Dom on August 19, 2016, 01:30:16 PM
I know, he said it goes to Merry Hill, hence my comment.
No one has posted the 89 goes to Merry Hill, just the 3 destinations where people surveyed said they go to....
They also said there are only 3 destinations they go to: Birmingham,merry hill, city hospital
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
No one has posted the 89 goes to Merry Hill, just the 3 destinations where people surveyed said they go to....
They also said there are only 3 destinations they go to: Birmingham,merry hill, city hospital
Correct, they also said that one of the 4s was apparently supposed to go round portway area( I think) as passengers only have 89, however nothing materialised.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 19, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
People moaning about 89 saying
1) too long of a route
2) buses old and breakdown
3) the drivers
Haha
They also said there are only 3 destinations they go to: Birmingham,merry hill, city hospital
The 88/89 has been constantly changed/rerouted over the past 6 years, it finally seems to be a settled route finally, not a lot wrong with the route now
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 19, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
The 88/89 has been constantly changed/rerouted over the past 6 years, it finally seems to be a settled route finally, not a lot wrong with the route now
no it hasn't been constantly being changed in the last 6 years
2010 88 scrapped for the the 89 then 3/4 years a go route extended to blackheath from Oldbury, there have been city centre changes but the core of the route is as of 2010
Quote from: 2900 on August 19, 2016, 03:35:18 PM
no it hasn't been constantly being changed in the last 6 years
2010 88 scrapped for the the 89 then 3/4 years a go route extended to blackheath from Oldbury, there have been city centre changes but the core of the route is as of 2010
I was referring to the city centre changes, which there have been many of, then it got randomly rerouted to serve Victoria Park instead of Waterloo Road, then it got send down Oldbury Road instead of St Pauls Road
Quote from: MickeyCool36 on August 19, 2016, 12:59:23 PM
I have lived in Smethwick all my life. Id never shop in Birmingham the shops are overpriced and simply dont stock many things people use.
I rarely go to Birmingham to shop the type of shops are utterly different and for a different set of people.
Your logical second point explains your opinion in the first point which was basically just that, with no truth or fact behind it.