To save 26 different threads being started this one can be used for anything on the new buses.
Fleetnumbers are E001-19 (Yardley Wood) E020-29 (Coventry)
At the moment the first one is expected in just under 4 weeks time.
I do not have the registration numbers yet
Will some be 69 plates & the rest 20 plates or is it a case of wait & see when the first one is ready to be registered
@Tony?
I have to say
@Tony what we were shown on Tuesday in a presentation they look superb, the environmental benefits explained are amazing and are a credit to West Midlands Travel Ltd and you should be very proud of them this is exactly what we need going forward with enhanced partnerships with TfWM
Which service is getting the CV buses?
Get ready children with your tents and photo. This is the week the first bus is due to come
But
What day
And to
What garage ?
😂
Quote from: karl724223 on February 23, 2020, 10:39:01 PM
Get ready children with your tents and photo. This is the week the first bus is due to come
But
What day
And to
What garage ?
😂
No idea what day.
But while their ultimate destination is Yardley Wood, I'm going to guess they'll go to Birmingham Central first (for 'prep').
Younger forum members might not get this reference, but as these are for the 6 route, I'm hoping the branding won't be making use of the expression 'Electric 6'.
Because I'm going to get triggered if they carry 'danger high voltage' stickers on the side, like I've seen on some hybrids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FxmoVM7X4
(Wow, can't believe this song is 18 years old now!) :o
First one might be delivered tomorrow to bc
Quote from: karl724223 on February 25, 2020, 08:26:31 PM
First one might be delivered tomorrow to bc
3 are expected this week, with the first one tomorrow to BC
Quote from: Stu on February 25, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
No idea what day.
But while their ultimate destination is Yardley Wood, I'm going to guess they'll go to Birmingham Central first (for 'prep').
Younger forum members might not get this reference, but as these are for the 6 route, I'm hoping the branding won't be making use of the expression 'Electric 6'.
Because I'm going to get triggered if they carry 'danger high voltage' stickers on the side, like I've seen on some hybrids...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FxmoVM7X4
(Wow, can't believe this song is 18 years old now!) :o
It'd need re-routing via Hurst Street or Lower Essex Street/Kent Street then as well.
Full details here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2020, 08:30:02 PM
3 are expected this week, with the first one tomorrow to BC
Or not!!
Quote from: RW on February 28, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
Or not!!
They're at BC. first one should go to YW for driver training Monday
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
No, they can operate on any route if needed. At the moment all charging will be done in garage.
When E002 arrived I spoke to the delivery driver who had brought it up from Heathrow, which presumably explains the London registrations. He set off with 93% charge, drove 105 miles to BC and arrived with 53% charge
Electric buses must be a win win situation, They might be more expensive than diesel buses but over their life span they might end up being more cost effective. Also as the electric bus fleet gets larger the diesel bill will get smaller. National Express should be applauded for this big bold move. The future looks interesting
I assume electric buses could also have a longer working life, and be deprecated over more years.
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
No, they can operate on any route if needed. At the moment all charging will be done in garage.
When E002 arrived I spoke to the delivery driver who had brought it up from Heathrow, which presumably explains the London registrations. He set off with 93% charge, drove 105 miles to BC and arrived with 53% charge
Excellent, I look forward to catching a ride on one when they stray onto the 2 or 3! 8)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 28, 2020, 06:46:57 PM
Electric buses must be a win win situation, They might be more expensive than diesel buses but over their life span they might end up being more cost effective. Also as the electric bus fleet gets larger the diesel bill will get smaller. National Express should be applauded for this big bold move. The future looks interesting
The diesel bill might go down, but the electric bill will go up!
Again, I have no idea how long it takes to fully charge one of these up and how much electricity is consumed, but still I imagine the cost-savings over the long-term will be significant.
What service(s) are going to use the Coventry electrics? Can't be the 11/U/12X can it? They already have Platinums unless if they're going elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
The diesel bill might go down, but the electric bill will go up!
Again, I have no idea how long it takes to fully charge one of these up and how much electricity is consumed, but still I imagine the cost-savings over the long-term will be significant.
@Stu a number of garages have banks of solar panels on the roof producing free electricity, as long as any extra electricity is sourced from a green energy firm, I don't see if being a major issue.
From a drivers point of view I just hope they will have a bit of power pulling away.
To offset the increased electricity bill, I wonder if there is a plan to install solar panels on the garage roofs so that each garage could then produce part of its own electricity needs. The roofs are so long so would be ideal for this. I'm surprised NX haven't already tapped into this potential and installed some on garages and then sell the electricity back to the National grid. Maybe the new garages being built with have these on them. Good PR for NX too in terms of clean energy.
Sorry just seen Winston's reply of something similar too!
Quote from: j789 on February 28, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
To offset the increased electricity bill, I wonder if there is a plan to install solar panels on the garage roofs so that each garage could then produce part of its own electricity needs. The roofs are so long so would be ideal for this. I'm surprised NX haven't already tapped into this potential and installed some on garages and then sell the electricity back to the National grid. Maybe the new garages being built with have these on them. Good PR for NX too in terms of clean energy.
They already do produce their own electricity via solar at a number of garages and have done for a while.
If they're anything like the electric Enviros running in London then they will depart from the stop very quickly.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 28, 2020, 07:03:09 PM
What service(s) are going to use the Coventry electrics? Can't be the 11/U/12X can it? They already have Platinums unless if they're going elsewhere.
I really hope that they pick a corridor that isn't the university services again. With it being 10 buses there, possibly one of the cross-city services, so they can hit two areas of the city with new buses on one service?
Quote from: ellspurs on February 28, 2020, 07:41:36 PM
I really hope that they pick a corridor that isn't the university services again. With it being 10 buses there, possibly one of the cross-city services, so they can hit two areas of the city with new buses on one service?
Maybe the 13 ? I'm saw I a few years back they was trying to get funding to hybrid buses for the CV13
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2020, 06:15:26 PM
Quick question, will there be any requirement for these electric vehicles to strictly stick to one route?
They supposedly have a range of 150-160 miles on a full charge, so will there be any need to have charging points at the terminus for a quick 'top-up'? I have no idea to be honest how long it would take to fully charge the battery on one of these.
https://www.route-one.net/vehicles/enter_the_electric_enviro_as_adl_and_byd_set_out/
This article from 2016 by RouteOne - albeit based on the Enviro 200EV - claims that "a full charge can be undertaken in four hours". Worth noting that the article also specifies that their claimed range is similar to our new EVs, being in or around the 150-mile mark.
I've yet to find anything more up to date, but I hope that's given a general idea in answer to your question.
Looking at today's photo are the wing mirrors the 'new' camera type?
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
Quote from: Mike K on February 29, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
There is an E400ER it has Mmc bodywork I've put the link here https://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400er/
Quote from: Mike K on February 29, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
Is the E400 EV available with the MMC body? All the ones I've seen so far have been on the City body only. Have to say, from an aesthetics perspective I think the City body is ugly compared to the MMC. The Nottingham demonstrator that was on loan to BC was nice to travel on, primarily due to the bright interior enhanced by the glazed staircase and sky lights, but it doesn't look like NX have specified either of those features.
I kind of like it. Looks like a Routemaster.
The EV is available in the MMC body but I haven't seen a lot of them. The only ones I've seen are the MMCs on the Tower Transit 69 service (Walthamstow Central - Canning Town).
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 29, 2020, 01:44:15 PM
There is an E400ER it has Mmc bodywork I've put the link here https://www.alexander-dennis.com/products/double-deck-buses-2-axle/enviro400er/
That's still diesel engined
Is E007 going to be named Daniel Craig? Sorry bad joke I know
So it's been long known that the new EVs for Yardley Wood are intended for the 6.
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
Quote from: Stu on February 29, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
So it's been long known that the new EVs for Yardley Wood are intended for the 6.
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
It's not confirmed yet, but it could be the Warwick Uni services. But the Platinums haven't been debranded yet so it could be another high profile Coventry route like the 4,13,21.
Quote from: Stu on February 29, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Unless I've missed a posting somewhere, does anyone know which route(s) the EVs for Coventry will be used on?
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
Quote from: BH2004 on February 29, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
Seeing as the 20 is single deck as the 20A goes under a low bridge, I'll let you draw your own conclusion
Quote from: BH2004 on February 29, 2020, 06:29:10 PM
I have read somewhere but I don't know where I read that the 20 was getting them but I've only seen it once so probably not true
There's a low bridge on the City - Longford (Oban Rd) corridor of the 20, so with interworking going on, I'd be surprised if that were the case.
Quote from: Tony on February 29, 2020, 06:36:05 PM
Seeing as the 20 is single deck as the 20A goes under a low bridge, I'll let you draw your own conclusion
That bridge (Woodshires Rd) has already claimed a double deck victim (Mk1 Metrobus 2028 in Jan 1994). I notice the 9/9A has become 'part time Platinum' with 69xx and 75xx E400MMC's operating on it, so wouldn't be surprised if that were chosen.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 29, 2020, 05:20:53 PM
Is E007 going to be named Daniel Craig? Sorry bad joke I know
No time to charge .......
What's the proposed cascading program for the 21 19/69 plate Platinums at YW that these electrics will presumably displace?
Quote from: twb1979 on March 01, 2020, 05:11:27 AM
What's the proposed cascading program for the 21 19/69 plate Platinums at YW that these electrics will presumably displace?
apparently they might go to the 45/47
There was 17 Pershore road buses and 16 yw platinums on the 6 the numbers match up nicely and there Pershore roads have been debranded so I think it's most likely the go there as bc has plenty of platinum's to cover that one
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 01, 2020, 12:33:41 PM
There was 17 Pershore road buses and 16 yw platinums on the 6 the numbers match up nicely and there Pershore roads have been debranded so I think it's most likely the go there as bc has plenty of platinum's to cover that one
There's actually 1 or 2 45/47 buses still branded but yes it could be highly likely that they will go on them which could lead to the current 45/47 E400s making their way on the 14 or the 97 or going to Wolves to get rid of the remaining 43xx Tridents.
4912 is still branded, but looks a mess since the all over AD was removed.
If the 75** platinums move to BC, then I suspect the ex Pershore Road E400s will end up somewhere else to make a lower fleet age average in another garage.
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2020, 04:11:34 PM
If the 75** platinums move to BC, then I suspect the ex Pershore Road E400s will end up somewhere else to make a lower fleet age average in another garage.
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
So any idea on exactly when these electric buses will show at YW, aside from sometime this month?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
What about the 14? Surely the 97 has a higher PVR and will 16 E400's be enough?
Quote from: darthdc on March 01, 2020, 05:01:47 PM
So any idea on exactly when these electric buses will show at YW, aside from sometime this month?
The first couple have already arrived at BC for 'prep' - presumably they will need branding applied, and equipment installed.
Tony's already stated that one has gone to YW for driver training - drivers will need to complete training before these can go into service.
Plus no doubt there will be some kind of publicity launch to organise, another photo opportunity for Andy Street as part of his election campaign. ;)
Tony will probably know for definite, but my best guess is sometime in the next couple of weeks they'll start being used in service.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
PN have a couple ex-BC tridents it'll make a bit of sense if some went there.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 01, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
PN have a couple ex-BC tridents it'll make a bit of sense if some went there.
What would they use them on? I can only see a few going to remove the remaining 43** Tridents they've got.
I can see them going to WN and WA to get rid of their remaining 43** Tridents.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 01, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Onto the 97? Moving those tridents on to either WN/PN/WA/YW
No. The E400s to move, not the Tridents.
Quote from: Gareth on March 01, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
No. The E400s to move, not the Tridents.
i heard 2 drivers talking ws saying envrios on 97 unless this has changed
Looking at the picture of E002 it looks to have a shorter rear overhang, hence the central emergency exit. Is there a back seat in the usual position behind the back to backs over the rear wheels?
Quote from: Stevo on March 01, 2020, 10:15:05 PM
Looking at the picture of E002 it looks to have a shorter rear overhang, hence the central emergency exit. Is there a back seat in the usual position behind the back to backs over the rear wheels?
All seats on the lower deck are forward-facing
edit - but yes, there are a row of seats at the back
The H39/26F seating arrangement is a little less than previous double deck deliveries.
Does anyone know why the new electric buses E001 etc have London registrations ?.
Quote from: JIM C on March 02, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
Does anyone know why the new electric buses E001 etc have London registrations ?.
BYD Europe has its UK office/factory whatever it is, in London. Perhaps that's why?
See - https://www.evbus.co.uk/contact/
What's happened to picture E002?
Quote from: Uptight on March 02, 2020, 11:35:16 PM
What's happened to picture E002?
See Tony's reply here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1334.msg276283#msg276283
Any particular reason Tony? Want it branded first perhaps?
E001 has jus passed me on Bradford Street.. no chance for a photograph, though! :(
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
E001 has jus passed me on Bradford Street.. no chance for a photograph, though! :(
Saw it in Kings Heath - must be heading to YW. No branding as yet - just identified it by the reg plate.
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
Quote from: Ginger66 on March 03, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
No!
They're saving money not wiring tram lines. Certainly not going spend millions on the infrastructure trolley buses need (twin wires because rubber tyres don't give an earth)
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 02:59:39 PM
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
training already started
Quote from: CL on March 03, 2020, 02:59:39 PM
I've been told that type training begins tomorrow.. Just my luck that I'll be in Nottingham then! ::) Luckily caught a shot of it arriving at the depot ;) ; had caught a 3 back to Yardley Wood having not long come by it in Digbeth
edit; photograph of E004 on CBW article
https://cbwmagazine.com/national-express-group-sets-out-a-zero-emission-vision/
E004 on delivery from Falkirk, how long would that take to arrive including charging?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 03, 2020, 08:24:12 PM
E004 on delivery from Falkirk, how long would that take to arrive including charging?
Depends on miles per full battery, I guess! If it were diesel, a few fuel stops required
Quote from: darthdc on March 03, 2020, 08:55:03 PM
If it were diesel, a few fuel stops required
Why do you reckon that? I can do Walsall to Dundee on just over half a tank. Falkirk is even closer
Quote from: Ginger66 on March 03, 2020, 01:42:55 PM
As trolley buses run on electricity, would we see trolleybuses back a come back to the streets of Birmingham or the west midlands,
It might actually be feasible to wire parts of the Sprint routes similar to the Metro.
Edit: Do we expect any single deck electrics too?
Quote from: Metroman on March 03, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
It might actually be feasible to wire parts of the Sprint routes similar to the Metro.
Edit: Do we expect any single deck electrics too?
Good point, since there are routes where double deckers are unsuitable (YW Route 27 for instance - still remember an incident about a DD going under the tunnel on Bournville Lane).
I've just delivered E002 to YW (beautiful to drive), and E003 and E004 are now at BC
i passed E006 on the M40 this morning heading south near Stokenchurch.
E009 on delivery - goes without saying, but not my photograph ;)
https://flic.kr/p/2iBqkXz
Additionally, E004 was delivered to Yardley Wood today - saw it arriving around 1pm
When I left BC earlier
E001; E002; E003 & E004 were all at YW (E001 will return to BC for additional fitments, one of the other 3 will go to CV for training there to commence)
E006 was at BC with E005 & E007 expected.
In the photo I suspect E009 was heading to BYD's place as it is not due until next week
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
Quote from: Tiptonian on March 07, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
I imagine they will have some livery that will plug their electric status to the hilltops.
If the livery is what was posted somewhere on here from a NX financial report, they look great. Yes, there's quite a bit of vinyl, but all branded buses have that. They look classy.
Quote from: Tiptonian on March 07, 2020, 12:38:18 AM
These buses should be shouting from the rooftops exactly what they are, with a head-turning, bright and dazzling new livery. To achieve anything like that with this as a base is going to take an awful lot of vynil. :(
As I've said previously, there could be some good marketing promo stuff if done properly... we have the 'Electric 6' after all, and to celebrate we could have some 'improper dancing' in the 'middle of the street', or specifically the Stratford Road through Hall Green and Shirley...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEZwG_UZic
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
As I've said previously, there could be some good marketing promo stuff if done properly... we have the 'Electric 6' after all, and to celebrate we could have some 'improper dancing' in the 'middle of the street', or specifically the Stratford Road through Hall Green and Shirley...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyEZwG_UZic
Was thinking more... (same band)
https://youtu.be/R-FxmoVM7X4
Or you might just get the dick head mayor of greater Birmingham and a tv crew
Quote from: karl724223 on March 07, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Or you might just get the dick head mayor of greater Birmingham and a tv crew
To be fair, the current mayor has shown a very pro transport stance since being elected and it is actually nice to see in the press him being so complimentary about NXWM. Usually the politicians love scoring points criticising local transport companies so it makes a refreshing change seeing someone be supportive of what NX are trying to do in the West Midlands.
Quote from: CL on March 06, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
E009 on delivery - goes without saying, but not my photograph ;)
https://flic.kr/p/2iBqkXz
At 09:40 this morning (Mon 09/03/2020), E009 was going southbound on the M40 at Jct 7 on it's way to BYD Iver for PDI before going back up the M40 to BC.
Seen E001 at Digbeth this morning. The back screen display looks way better on these than the MMCs.
E007 out on training duties, just arriving into Birmingham now; E001 not far behind - at Adderley Street now
Been told of E003 which was sighted in Coventry about an hour ago
Quote from: CL on March 13, 2020, 10:06:07 AM
E007 out on training duties, just arriving into Birmingham now
E001 not far behind - at Adderley Street now
Saw E007 in Yardley Wood Rd, by Billesley Fire Station around 13:15. See its been given its fleet number.
Does the upper deck of the electric buses have the same as the ALX 400 B7TLs with two rows of seats in front of the stairs?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on March 16, 2020, 09:04:49 PM
Does the upper deck of the electric buses have the same as the ALX 400 B7TLs with two rows of seats in front of the stairs?
Yes
I did spot E012 & E013 on delivery plates on M42 yesterday.
E012 - LF20 XON
E013 - LF20 XOO
Will the current health crisis impact on the introduction of the electric vehicles? Will they remain in depot pending the crisis passing and a degree of normality returning to bus operations? They could then be launched to a more receptive public as they come out of social distancing measures.
Quote from: RW on March 19, 2020, 06:13:09 PM
Will the current health crisis impact on the introduction of the electric vehicles? Will they remain in depot pending the crisis passing and a degree of normality returning to bus operations? They could then be launched to a more receptive public as they come out of social distancing measures.
Still hopefully be on the road 30/3
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Still hopefully be on the road 30/3
Thanks Tony. Stay safe.
Quote from: RW on March 20, 2020, 08:42:55 AM
Thanks Tony. Stay safe.
The special timetable being introduced next week allows for up to 16 to be in use, obviously things might change again in the next 10 days.
Hopefully when they do emerge you will be able to post a few photos Tony.
E001 is now fully branded
Marvellous. Looking forward to seeing some photos.
I spotted E010 on the Stratford Road in Sparkbrook this morning.
Had 'Electric Bus Driver Training' on the front display.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 20, 2020, 01:26:03 PM
Marvellous. Looking forward to seeing some photos.
Mr Mayor still wants a formal launch, so although I have a lovely photo of E001 fully branded up I cnnot share it yet
Full details of the Coventry Electrics are now here, not sure why the format has gone silly. I will try and correct it
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2020, 07:49:34 PM
Full details of the Coventry Electrics are now here, not sure why the format has gone silly. I will try and correct it
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2020, 08:13:30 PM
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
Thought 9/9A was said?
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2020, 08:13:30 PM
Are you able to say yet which Coventry services these are for? It would save loads of people asking, to be honest.
They're for the 9/9A i believe.
Good to see the YW ones have a hint of 'traditional' Bham regs with O in the middle.
They won't be entering service now until 2 weeks after the lockdown
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
They won't be entering service now until 2 weeks after the lockdown
That's a shame, guess we'll all have to be a little more patient.
Though with their lower running costs, I would have thought it more prudent to get them out in service sooner, to be honest.
I noticed that the 2 and 3 were mostly Platinums today, which is a good use of newer, more fuel-efficient vehicles to help with service costs.
Just my opinion of course, and I understand there may be other factors driving this decision.
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2020, 06:11:34 PM
I noticed that the 2 and 3 were mostly Platinums today, which is a good use of newer, more fuel-efficient vehicles to help with service costs.
Although only a relatively small difference, the seating is more spaced out. Any distance from someone else is most welcomed.
Quote from: Gareth on March 25, 2020, 06:18:27 PM
Although only a relatively small difference, the seating is more spaced out. Any distance from someone else is most welcomed.
From what I've seen of passenger loadings the last few days, 'social-distancing' wouldn't be a problem even if single-deck vehicles were used on double-deck routes.
Found these photos of E001 on https://mobile.twitter.com/wmtrainspotting
I must admit it looks absolutely superb. Tony will the Coventry buses have the same branding?
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2020, 06:35:37 PM
From what I've seen of passenger loadings the last few days, 'social-distancing' wouldn't be a problem even if single-deck vehicles were used on double-deck routes.
Heh, I actually saw passengers on the 580 in Rugby on Monday lunchtime.
And yea, I like the subtleness of the Electric part of the branding on those pictures of E001.
The photos r on the main site
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 25, 2020, 11:55:08 PM
The photos r on the main site
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
Tony will all these electric buses have the same branding as E001 including the Coventry batch or will they end up with route branding?
Quote from: WM_58 on March 26, 2020, 10:06:28 AM
Tony will all these electric buses have the same branding as E001 including the Coventry batch or will they end up with route branding?
This has got route branding.
Coventry ones won't have Stratford Road on them
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
At the time you posted the original link I hadn't got permission to make them public, which is why I deleted the post.m Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 26, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
They should be used on the 6 as they have the route 6 map inside
Quote from: BH2004 on March 26, 2020, 10:51:28 AM
They should be used on the 6 as they have the route 6 map inside
How do you know what is inside?
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 26, 2020, 10:31:42 AM
will they be used just for the 6 because they don't have six on it
There's no other route at YW that goes from Solihull to Birmingham City Centre via Hall Green and Shirley.
So I think the answer to the question is yes they will be used on the 6.
Drivers need to be type trained for the new electric buses so only for 6
unless other drivers hav been trained
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
How do you know what is inside?
6 Branding inside..
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
This has got route branding.
Coventry ones won't have Stratford Road on them
I didn't expect to see Stratford Road buses in Cov. My point is given how this is a massive milestone for public transport in the West Midlands, I wasn't sure if if National Express would want to standardise the electric bus branding to make them instantly recognisable. The route branding is much more subtle on these to that we have seen over the last few years. Branding is key to the punters who don't know one bus from the next.
These E buses look superb and the branding looks great but will they be instantly recognisable like the the platinums are compared to the crimson...
Quote from: 2206 on March 26, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
There's no other route at YW that goes from Solihull to Birmingham City Centre via Hall Green and Shirley.
So I think the answer to the question is yes they will be used on the 6.
Until the Stratford Road review
I am not suggesting changes to the 5 would happen imminently, but do the new electrics fit legally under the Robin Hood Lane bridge?
Quote from: cardew on March 26, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
I am not suggesting changes to the 5 would happen imminently, but do the new electrics fit legally under the Robin Hood Lane bridge?
Yes they do, they are 14'2" same as normal MMCs
I have to say that livery looks stunning. Really like the silver electric flashes. Subtle and not overstated.
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 09:45:50 AM
Permission has just been given, so here is the link again
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E001.html?fbclid=IwAR3vfld3ooal9VhLQo1KIhYoPQKGTpw4SSOTHuiZ0eT29z3RJdxrpP0R85E
One word. Stunning. Looking forward to seeing some of them in Birmingham later in the year post COVID 19.
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
Until the Stratford Road review
what review is this
Quote from: Solo1 on March 26, 2020, 05:30:33 PM
what review is this
I'm surprised it took over 6 hours for someone to say that !
While waiting for my bus to work this morning (yes, I am a 'key worker'), E011 went past me on Yardley Wood Road while on 'Electric Bus Driver Training'.
Was remarkable how quiet it was on approaching, only really made a minimal amount of noise on passing me.
This one was still plain and unbranded so looked unremarkable, but the branded example photographed does look quite exceptional.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2020, 07:20:26 PM
While waiting for my bus to work this morning (yes, I am a 'key worker'), E011 went past me on Yardley Wood Road while on 'Electric Bus Driver Training'.
Was remarkable how quiet it was on approaching, only really made a minimal amount of noise on passing me.
Well it is an electric bus. Making as less noise as possible is kinda what they do.
Transport for London is insisting its electric buses make some sort of sound so people in crossing roads in centres can hear them. London is using bleeping but why not record a Metrobus whining away and use that sound? ;)
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 26, 2020, 10:20:43 PM
Well it is an electric bus. Making as less noise as possible is kinda what they do.
As I recorded on page 1 of my 'Avin a larf' page my late father didn't hear a bus.....
ADL are/have suspended production:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2020/march/our-teams-will-continue-to-support-you-in-these-challenging-times/
Saw EO17 on trade plates passing Wheatsheaf Sheldon heading towards city lunchtime today.
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
Quote from: aSingh on April 02, 2020, 03:21:49 PM
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
I think it's a shame NX didn't go for the glazed staircase - that made the city version stand out imo
Names have now been applied to most of the electrics
Electra E001
Anna E002
Freya Jayne E003
Ivy E004
Ivy Wren E005
Julie E006
Moneypenny E007
Laura E008
Masoomah E009
Maureen E010
Meera E011
Mehreen E012
Mommy 'H' E013
Nadia E014
Noor Zamil E015
Samirah E016
Skye E017
Susan May E018
Willow E019
Which electrics are going to be branded
E007 -Moneypenny. How appropriate! :)
Quote from: BH2004 on May 14, 2020, 07:01:47 PM
Which electrics are going to be branded
Whatever the PVR is minus about 10%. My guess is about 15.
Quote from: aSingh on April 02, 2020, 03:21:49 PM
Just an opinion but the front of the E400MMC looks better than the City version.
These new vehicles are looking better than the 400MMC at present.
Quote from: Ben on May 19, 2020, 01:35:46 AM
These new vehicles are looking better than the 400MMC at present.
I like them too 😁
Do we have any news on when these will be launched?
Hopefully it wail be quietly a d unannounced to prevent all the kids and not so kids crowding the route on their first day.
Any photos of the branding on the rear of the 'electrics' in circulation? Please don't let them have obliterated both lower and upper deck windows!
Quote from: RW on June 18, 2020, 09:45:25 AM
Any photos of the branding on the rear of the 'electrics' in circulation? Please don't let them have obliterated both lower and upper deck windows!
Yes, there was one posted recently on Facebook (although i can't find it to link here, sadly). The EV's don't have rear windows on the lower deck.
Have these electric buses god a double glass window on the top deck
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2020, 09:53:46 AM
Yes, there was one posted recently on Facebook (although i can't find it to link here, sadly). The EV's don't have rear windows on the lower deck.
Thanks for that Nathan. Can't find the Facebook link either. Hopefully the upper deck rear windows are left clear.
Quote from: RW on June 19, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
Thanks for that Nathan. Can't find the Facebook link either. Hopefully the upper deck rear windows are left clear.
Here you are
Thanks Tony. I can live with that. I just have this thing about NX plastering vinyl over every available window on a vehicle. It detracts from the visual appearance of the vehicle and makes it look like a bill board on wheels rather than a public service vehicle the people's of the West Midlands and Dundee can be proud of on their city roads.
This is the current situation with the 19 electrics
Coventry E010; E015
Birmingham Central E013 (being branded today) E008; E014 (just delivered)
Yardley Wood E001; E002; E003; E004; E005; E006; E007; E009; E011; E012; E016; E017; E018; E019.
The following are now branded
E001; E002; E003; E005; E009; E010; E016; E017; E018; E019
Any in service yet, or are they still being used for training?
I suspect they're being used to type train the drivers and garage staff at the moment darthdc.
Passed E022 on the A74m this evening heading south at 40mph.
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that the electrics doesn't have traditional side mirrors?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 26, 2020, 08:34:17 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't like the fact that the electrics doesn't have traditional side mirrors?
What do you not like about them?
Quote from: Dom on June 26, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
What do you not like about them?
The fact that they don't look good on the bus compared to the traditional ones. A bit stupid, I know. I haven't even gone on it yet.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 26, 2020, 11:03:36 AM
The fact that they don't look good on the bus compared to the traditional ones. A bit stupid, I know. I haven't even gone on it yet.
They are the same as 6937s mirrors
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 26, 2020, 12:25:50 PM
They are the same as 6937s mirrors
6937 hasn't got mirrors ffs
To answer an oft asked question about the electric vehicles delivery run, Today I took E015 on the M6 from Coventry J3 to Birmingham J6 a total of 16 miles. It used exactly 4% of the charge. working on that basis it would be able to do 400 miles on a motorway on a 100% charge easy enough to get from Alexander Dennis at Falkirk to BYD at Iver.
Noticed what I presume was a new electric on deliver run going south on M6 near Knutsford services about 9ish this morning.
Unfortunately could not get the number
Quote from: Mayfield on June 30, 2020, 05:30:04 PM
Noticed what I presume was a new electric on deliver run going south on M6 near Knutsford services about 9ish this morning.
Unfortunately could not get the number
Can't help with which one as it would be on the Falkirk to Iver run.
E020 arrived at BC today, and E021 is at Iver, so wasn't one of that pair
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 30, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
They are not all being converted, not sure where you've got that from.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 30, 2020, 07:39:17 PM
Bit off topic question regarding the new electrics but still within the range of electric buses?
The Wolves hybrids are currently being converted to diesel, is there an ETA on when all of them will be diesel and will the BC ones follow suit?
As far as I know, so far no-one has yet converted a Volvo Hybrid. EYMS are currently working on a Go North east one at the moment, but there is more to do with those. Once EYMS have successfully done the first then there may be a flood of them to do!
Another NXC Electric on delivery on M40 near Warwick approx 12.30am this morning
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
With the Coventry ones E020 and E021 are both at Coventry for driver training, E022 is at BC. The will all be branded at BC once the branding is delivered
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
Thanks, you've answered a question I was meaning to ask, I was going to ask if it was likely we'd start seeing these in service next week.
Presumably they will all be out on the 6? Saves anybody wondering if any might 'sneak' onto other routes!
Quote from: Stu on July 03, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Thanks, you've answered a question I was meaning to ask, I was going to ask if it was likely we'd start seeing these in service next week.
Presumably they will all be out on the 6? Saves anybody wondering if any might 'sneak' onto other routes!
Once they have settled down they may come out on the 2/3 on Sundays
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:16:22 PM
All of E001-E019 are now at YW ready to enter service.
Plan is for 11 of them to go out on Sunday, first one leaves the garage at 06:37.
On Monday, if they are all fit, all 19 may see use, although not all at the same time as there are a couple of run ins to recharge while others go out.
With the Coventry ones E020 and E021 are both at Coventry for driver training, E022 is at BC. The will all be branded at BC once the branding is delivered
Is there an official confirmation on what service the Coventry ones will operate on?
At last we can ride on one! This thread's been going since February and it's been a bit frustrating having to wait, though I'm sure we all understand why.
He got his photo opportunity then...
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/videos/580538072883943/
So E008 was the first Electric bus into passenger service.
E004. E011 & E015 also no out
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
Quote from: RW on July 05, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
coventry ffs
Quote from: RW on July 05, 2020, 04:09:29 PM
So Solihull to City Centre route is emission free. When and where next for ⚡️ vehicles?
Not completely emission free but I get what you mean.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 04:34:34 PM
Not completely emission free but I get what you mean.
Yes the 6 is completely emission free today
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 04:52:01 PM
Yes the 6 is completely emission free today
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 05, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
There were a couple photos of the buses near the Tyseley Power Plant. I don't know too much about it but I assume that they would generate electricity from little to no emissions.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 05, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
But only if the electricity that was used to charge them up at YW was generated using emission free methods, if not then there have been emissions somewhere?
It reminds me when they introduced the electric Metroriders in Oxford and everybody was saying how brilliant they were as they removed pollution from Oxford City Centre. Someone drew a cartoon of a Metrorider and in the background was Didcot power station with all it's pollution:-)
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
See slogan at the back
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E004.html
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
You can buy electricity?
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
You can buy electricity?
Erm...yes! Of course you can buy electricity! How do you think we all get ours?
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
You can buy electricity?
I presume you're household pays for their electricity and doesn't just take it from a Street light
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 05, 2020, 08:49:43 PM
How?
Suppliers. British Gas, Scottish Power, Octopus the list goes on...
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 PM
NX buy renewable electricity as it says on the side of some of the buses
Companies do not buy renewable electricity out of the goodness of thier heart there are major tax allowances which claimed reduce the Advanced Corporation Tax paid. The reliefs reduce the overall tax bill of the company similarly schemes such as the PAT box allowances allow enhanced capital expenditure on assets. Although most schemes end up revenue netural to The Treasury this is exclipised by encouraging companies to bring in climate change friendly schemes for the benefit of all beloved of politicians.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2020, 08:50:23 PM
I presume you're household pays for their electricity and doesn't just take it from a Street light
No I use my neighbours ;D
Went on E014 on the 6 today. Sorry to say I was a little disappointed. I expected a silent ride but there's a constant noise from fans in the battery compartment, as loud as a modern diesel engine. At least it was really smooth.
I went on one of the electric buses this morning, I can't remember the last time I was so impressed by a new bus, it was quiet, comfortable and fairly quick as well. Verdict 11/10
Cov electric bus... surprised by the branding on this one
I should point out it's not my photo. It was sent to me by a friend but I believe it's from Instagram.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 07:24:30 PM
I should point out it's not my photo. It was sent to me by a friend but I believe it's from Instagram.
What is the surprise?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
What is the surprise?
I think the Cov blue is the best of the Platinum branding, but as far as these electric buses go I guess I was expecting something a bit more in your face to showcase a cleaner and greener future.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 07:55:14 PM
I think the Cov blue is the best of the Platinum branding, but as far as these electric buses go I guess I was expecting something a bit more in your face to showcase a cleaner and greener future.
? - you do realise that is a 'work in progress' photo?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 07:57:17 PM
? - you do realise that is a 'work in progress' photo?
Very much so. I'd be saying the same about the Birmingham electrics if they had of received the platinum red branding. I guess I try to think about the general public who can't tell one bus from another. These buses are a brilliant move by NX but when you give them similar branding to that of the existing platinums don't we risk them become just another bus to the general public? I personally want to see these electrics pulling in new passengers to NX.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:06:05 PM
Very much so. I'd be saying the same about the Birmingham electrics if they had of received the platinum red branding. I guess I try to think about the general public who can't tell one bus from another. These buses are a brilliant move by NX but when you give them similar branding to that of the existing platinums don't we risk them become just another bus to the general public? I personally want to see these electrics pulling in new passengers to NX.
OK so what extra would you put on? Almost every part of the bus is bragging it is electric, Silver stripes along and up.
I really am struggling to see what else could be done
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:08:46 PM
OK so what extra would you put on? Almost every part of the bus is bragging it is electric, Silver stripes along and up.
I really am struggling to see what else could be done
I personally would of changed the colour scheme to make them stand out from the rest of the fleet or done something similar to London with the all over leaf advertising. I'm unsure on how much say NX have over livery choices.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:25:12 PM
I personally would of changed the colour scheme to make them stand out from the rest of the fleet or done something similar to London with the all over leaf advertising. I'm unsure on how much say NX have over livery choices.
I still really don't get your point. You are happy with a few leaves on standard livery, but not two bright silver bands, a few wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front. 25 foot long banner advertising and new style fleetnames?
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:33:21 PM
I still really don't get your point. You are happy with a few leaves on standard livery, but not two bright silver bands, a few wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front. 25 foot long banner advertising and new style fleetnames?
But I'm talking about grabbing people's attention whilst they are driving along in their cars. Having buses that are a totally different colour would make people look at the bus and then they will noticethe two bright silver bands, wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front and the 25 foot long banner.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 08:51:31 PM
But I'm talking about grabbing people's attention whilst they are driving along in their cars. Having buses that are a totally different colour would make people look at the bus and then they will noticethe two bright silver bands, wind turbines two bright silver flashes on the front and the 25 foot long banner.
Having vehicles as a totally different colour can also mean people don't recognise the operator.
These buses are the first buses I have driven for a long time (apart from 3225) where people stop and stare when you drive past, so they clearly are different enough
And as you use London as an example, do these look any different
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LondonUnited/47027.html
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
Having vehicles as a totally different colour can also mean people don't recognise the operator.
These buses are the first buses I have driven for a long time (apart from 3225) where people stop and stare when you drive past, so they clearly are different enough
You are right. The brand must be easily recognisable and that's something NX have done superbly well over the years.
It's always amazed me at how a livery can impact the public. I'm a train driver and the company I drive for has a good number of celebrity locos. They always get attention wherever they are, yet the standard locos get very little attention.
Quote from: WM_58 on July 10, 2020, 09:09:47 PM
You are right. The brand must be easily recognisable and that's something NX have done superbly well over the years.
It's always amazed me at how a livery can impact the public. I'm a train driver and the company I drive for has a good number of celebrity locos. They always get attention wherever they are, yet the standard locos get very little attention.
GBRF?
You got it in one!
Saw the new pictures of the new CV electrics. Not a fan of the blue part on the front if I'm being honest.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 10, 2020, 11:56:34 PM
Saw the new pictures of the new CV electrics. Not a fan of the blue part on the front if I'm being honest.
Why ?
The message is confused. On the side you see an electrical flash, a pair of legs, a pattern of diamonds and a blue sky.
Quote from: Stevo on July 11, 2020, 08:52:23 AM
The message is confused. On the side you see an electrical flash, a pair of legs, a pattern of diamonds and a blue sky.
Have to admit I'm not a great fan of "a pair of legs" being part of the livery. Never have been. Some might construe it as sexist. Why not a pair of walking boots? Better to ride than walk. (tongue in cheek)
Quote from: Tony on July 10, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
And as you use London as an example, do these look any different
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/LondonUnited/47027.html
Operators of contracted services in London used their own liveries until representations were made by the London Tourist board to revert to red after confusion caused on early tendered routes like the 24.
I can see from recent photos that most of the Coventry Electrics have now been fully liveried. When are they going to enter service?
Quote from: MARKG on August 29, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
I can see from recent photos that most of the Coventry Electrics have now been fully liveried. When are they going to enter service?
Tomorrow :)
https://twitter.com/nxcoventry/status/1299062780096585728
I see in this month's 'Buses' that MD David Bradford has promised 500 zero emission buses in service for the Commonwealth Games in July 2022. That's about 28 buses a month starting next month. Is this practical? Has an order been placed for electric buses?
Quote from: Stevo on February 22, 2021, 02:02:17 PM
I see in this month's 'Buses' that MD David Bradford has promised 500 zero emission buses in service for the Commonwealth Games in July 2022. That's about 28 buses a month starting next month. Is this practical? Has an order been placed for electric buses?
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
Quote from: ellspurs on February 22, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
He also doesn't say they will all be new, he also mentioned repowering
Forgive me for having doubts, but as it takes quite a time to convert from hybrid to diesel I can't see repowering being any quicker - probably taking longer.
Quote from: Stevo on February 22, 2021, 06:18:07 PM
Forgive me for having doubts, but as it takes quite a time to convert from hybrid to diesel I can't see repowering being any quicker - probably taking longer.
Once the people doing the converting get going it shouldn't take too long at all to do each bus. EYMS can do a diesel to Hybrid in about 2 weeks.
Diamond are planning on having their MANs converted to electric as well
Quote from: ellspurs on February 22, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
We do know of the hydrogen buses that will be in service by then, so them plus the 29 already in service, would leave how many to be procured?
I've just looked on the Alexander Dennis website to see if there was a news announcement about them, but it seems they only announce on delivery (unless I haven't looked back far enough).
It was said 2 months ago, there could be around 200 new buses this year.
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2021, 10:29:26 AM
Because it is not worth making the entire fleet 'Euro 6' as there is a possibility of around 200 new buses in 2021
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2021, 12:34:40 AM
It was said 2 months ago, there could be around 200 new buses this year.
Well that, plus the conversions will have them well on the way towards 500 before the end of
this year, which can only be a good thing.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 23, 2021, 12:03:54 PM
Well that, plus the conversions will have them well on the way towards 500 before the end of this year, which can only be a good thing.
Will be interesting how they will retrofit existing buses to electric, wonder if the single deckers will be easier to convert than doubles
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 23, 2021, 12:57:27 PM
Will be interesting how they will retrofit existing buses to electric, wonder if the single deckers will be easier to convert than doubles
See https://www.magtec.co.uk/index.php/en/applications-gb/electric-vehicle-drives/44-electric-buses for further information. Magtec appear to be one of the market leaders having converted some Plaxton Presidents up north, although I believe that was a while ago now. I doubt there'll be any real difference between what is easier to convert although there's different power outputs available, depending on the vehicle's weight as far as I'm aware.
Noticed this on www.busforum.co.uk - E030 > E033 , owned by National Express but operated by Mullanys Coaches on a Harry Potter shuttle service from Watford Railway Station to the Warner Brothers film studios.
I have put more details of the new buses on the main website. All VINs for the first 46 are there, and body numbers for all 130
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
What I have noticed on the new Coventry electrics is that the nearside fleet number is up by the wing mirror/camera and not by the door release as normal. Is there a particular reason for this or is this the norm now for just the electrics?
@Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 27, 2022, 03:22:29 PMWhat I have noticed on the new Coventry electrics is that the nearside fleet number is up by the wing mirror/camera and not by the door release as normal. Is there a particular reason for this or is this the norm now for just the electrics? @Tony
The recent repaints into the new livery have the fleet number above the doors/driver's cab window also. I think it may be the new standard positioning across the fleet.
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2022, 08:59:29 PMI have put more details of the new buses on the main website. All VINs for the first 46 are there, and body numbers for all 130
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Most helpful Tony. Thanks.
Do you think it's possible to have charging points at bus stations on the over flow stands to give electric buses a top up while in service.
We know Dudley bus station is been rebuilt shortly could electric charging for NX/Diamond be considered
Tomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 06:55:31 PMTomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
Ooh, thanks for the heads up! If I'm reading this week's timetables correctly (from BusTimes, as those on the NX website are wrong, I was wondering why the 2 seemed to be ten minutes late this morning!), that should do the 8:20 departure from Slade Lane, which will be my ride to work!
QuoteOoh, thanks for the heads up! If I'm reading this week's timetables correctly (from BusTimes, as those on the NX website are wrong, I was wondering why the 2 seemed to be ten minutes late this morning!), that should do the 8:20 departure from Slade Lane, which will be my ride to work!
It does the 07:12 & 08:30 departures into city
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 07:19:35 PMIt does the 07:12 & 08:30 departures into city
You're right, I momentarily lost the ability to count properly! Now I just need to make sure I leave home on time so I don't miss it!
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 06:55:31 PMTomorrow is probably the last day to catch 1908 in service. It will be on the YW3 from 07:12 until 14:33 when it will do a journey on the 2 at 14:38
I know I'm being daft here, but 1908?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 20, 2022, 07:26:39 AMI know I'm being daft here, but 1908?
Demonstrator:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1908d.html
Quote from: Stu on December 20, 2022, 07:36:17 AMDemonstrator:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1908d.html
Aha! Cheers - upholding the great tradition of 1908s! I should've guessed!
OK, so I did manage to get a ride on 1908 this morning - the Mercedes eCitaro demonstrator.
To be honest, I don't really know what to make of it.
Its always a little bit exciting to travel on a new type of bus for the first time, from a purely passenger perspective, it was a nice bus to travel on, smooth ride, and given the opportunity could be quite nippy too.
The interior is fairly spacious, not as 'claustrophobic' as the OmniLinks, though I did think that the seating layout didn't offer much legroom, a common complaint aimed at those Scanias. I did note that this eCitaro did show a seated capacity of 37, so around the same as the OmniLinks and E200MMCs.
Due to being pre-Christmas week, there were only a few passengers when I got on at the Hullbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road, so it was difficult to judge what the journey would be like with a full load.
The other observation I noted is that despite an entirely different vehicle being used on this route, in non-standard livery, still with National Express Coventry logos all over it, passengers still got on without questioning anything, and most didn't seem to notice. It just goes to show that many passengers don't really care, and that any bus is better than no bus.
I guess these would be great for less-busy routes that require single-deck vehicles, I'm not sure what they would be like used on busier routes, would like to hear opinions from anyone who travelled on this while it was used on the 20 in Coventry.
QuoteOK, so I did manage to get a ride on 1908 this morning - the Mercedes eCitaro demonstrator.
To be honest, I don't really know what to make of it.
Its always a little bit exciting to travel on a new type of bus for the first time, from a purely passenger perspective, it was a nice bus to travel on, smooth ride, and given the opportunity could be quite nippy too.
The interior is fairly spacious, not as 'claustrophobic' as the OmniLinks, though I did think that the seating layout didn't offer much legroom, a common complaint aimed at those Scanias. I did note that this eCitaro did show a seated capacity of 37, so around the same as the OmniLinks and E200MMCs.
Due to being pre-Christmas week, there were only a few passengers when I got on at the Hullbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road, so it was difficult to judge what the journey would be like with a full load.
The other observation I noted is that despite an entirely different vehicle being used on this route, in non-standard livery, still with National Express Coventry logos all over it, passengers still got on without questioning anything, and most didn't seem to notice. It just goes to show that many passengers don't really care, and that any bus is better than no bus.
I guess these would be great for less-busy routes that require single-deck vehicles, I'm not sure what they would be like used on busier routes, would like to hear opinions from anyone who travelled on this while it was used on the 20 in Coventry.
Seating is 37+wheelchair or 39 (2 pulldown seats).
I drove the second half of the running board both days. While a lot of people do just get on, both myself and 'Andy' who drove the morning half both commented on the number of people asking if it was a 'proper bus' with several saying when they did get on they 'thought it was a coach'.
The bus is a dream to drive so easy to give a smooth ride to passengers. On a couple of trips I did I had a full seated load with some standing and apart from the usual problem of standing passengers not moving from between the front wheelarches it still looked 'spacious' in the interior mirror.
Incidentally the interior mirror is the best I have ever found in any bus. Normally on buses with vandal screens you struggle, but the mirror in this gave an excellent view of the interior of the whole bus.
I didn't know where to put this but there is an electric grey bus with new nx interior in Birmingham doing rail replacements reg is LG72DSX , looked on the electrics fleet list and can't find this one ? So who is this owned by ?
It's doing the 10am brum to coleshill rail replacement
https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/index.htm?https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/year.asp?Year=72&Type=9
This website says it is a "Spare vehicles for NXWM ETaaS contract" listed under Zenobe.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 26, 2023, 09:34:41 AMhttps://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/index.htm?https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/year.asp?Year=72&Type=9
This website says it is a "Spare vehicles for NXWM ETaaS contract" listed under Zenobe.
8 Spare ones wonder if they will be given fleet numbers E164-172?
It's Owned by Zenobe and will only come to National Express if the existing vehicles fail to meet contractual agreements on the number of vehicles available for service.
If anyone get a chance to see who's operators licence it is on I would be interested!
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2023, 09:55:58 AMIt's Owned by Zenobe and will only come to National Express if the existing vehicles fail to meet contractual agreements on the number of vehicles available for service.
If anyone get a chance to see who's operators licence it is on I would be interested!
Roberts Tours legals and O-Licence is on it.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 26, 2023, 10:06:43 AMRoberts Travel legals and O-Licence is on it.
Thanks.
That makes sense as I know all 8 are parked in their yard.
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2023, 10:08:25 AMThanks.
That makes sense as I know all 8 are parked in their yard.
Been told it's under hire to The Green Bus though on a demonstration run for Arriva Road Transport Services and Cross Country. Only doing one trip to Nuneaton and back in service.
@Tony have NX come up with a way to keep a log of these extra Zenobe vehicles?
Dose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot please?
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 23, 2023, 03:25:03 PMDose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot please?
If you have seen that you have been trespassing
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 23, 2023, 03:25:03 PMDose anyone know what the electric bus is parked next 2064 at Birmingham central depot
2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:16:37 PM2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Yes, 2063 & 2064 are there for conversion to training buses
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2023, 06:24:33 PMYes, 2063 & 2064 are there for conversion to training buses
They must have arrived after I went home because I didn't see them all morning haha, I'm guessing the prototype vehicle was deemed to work then with the placement of the jockey seat
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:16:37 PM2064? Are you sure you saw a single decker inside of BC?
Yes mate, there is 2 2063 and 2064.
Tony answered that question an hour ago
Quote from: dw1308 on March 23, 2023, 06:26:58 PMThey must have arrived after I went home because I didn't see them all morning haha, I'm guessing the prototype vehicle was deemed to work then with the placement of the jockey seat
Yes, 2060 will be in use soon. I took it to Miller Street yesterday for inspection and final preperation.
Dose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E096.html
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 10:13:19 AMDose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
I'm guessing it's waiting on parts because the passenger side mirror camera is hanging off it atm
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 10:13:19 AMDose anyone know which electric bus is or was parked in Birmingham central next to 2063 and 2064 the reg plate was LG72 DVH can anyone help please.
So you did trespass if you could read the registration
I thought this thread was for electric fleet buses not a have a go at people thread. Can we get back onto thread if possible which I know due to the strike action not many electrics are being worked on at present. But come on guys
Quote from: Squiz1971 on March 25, 2023, 02:51:08 PMI thought this thread was for electric fleet buses not a have a go at people thread. Can we get back onto thread if possible which I know due to the strike action not many electrics are being worked on at present. But come on guys
I agree, enough of the bickering and personal attacks, it ends here.
Now, back on topic please.
Hi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
QuoteHi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
I've only heard about the 300 new buses not sure where their going. In my opinion I think there's defiantly more E400EVS coming, I may be wrong though...
Quote from: Busses_transport_ on March 25, 2023, 06:26:50 PMHi guys,
How many more electric buses are due to be delivered for national express Coventry, also will national express west midlands be getting anymore if so what fleets will it be please.
Quote from: BBS on March 25, 2023, 06:31:52 PMI've only heard about the 300 new buses not sure where their going. In my opinion I think there's defiantly more E400EVS coming, I may be wrong though...
There are more details in the following thread posted by Tony:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.0
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2020, 09:39:40 PMFull details here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Thankyou tony
Quote from: Stu on March 25, 2023, 06:43:45 PMThere are more details in the following thread posted by Tony:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.0
Thankyou stu
Another fleetnumber 1908 is due to arrive on Tuesday
Quote from: Tony on May 05, 2023, 08:22:37 PMAnother fleetnumber 1908 is due to arrive on Tuesday
Ooh let the speculation commence! :azn:
From the fleet number I'll guess this is another single deck demonstrator vehicle, possibly either a Wrightbus Kite Electroliner, or maybe an ADL Enviro100EV?
I suppose any EV demonstrator would be used at YW or CV again.
Then again there is the possibility of trialling a Wrightbus Kite Hydroliner at WA?
Quote from: Stu on May 05, 2023, 09:09:29 PMOoh let the speculation commence! :azn:
From the fleet number I'll guess this is another single deck demonstrator vehicle, possibly either a Wrightbus Kite Electroliner, or maybe an ADL Enviro100EV?
I suppose any EV demonstrator would be used at YW or CV again.
Then again there is the possibility of trialling a Wrightbus Kite Hydroliner at WA?
Could be the
Volvo BZL Electric Single Deck
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on May 05, 2023, 09:59:08 PMCould be the Volvo BZL Electric Single Deck
Could be a yutong since those are getting quite popular (and from what ive heard they are quite good buses)
Just seen a post saying a Full electric Yutong single decker bus is at bc could this be the new 1908 and will it be based at yw or cv
A post I've seen says it will be on loan to Coventry
The new Yutongs on the T1 in Aberystwyth are very comfortable to travel on. Higher spec than would be expected for urban use though, those useful pop-out coat hooks would be bent out of shape week one.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on May 09, 2023, 12:50:48 PMJust seen a post saying a Full electric Yutong single decker bus is at bc could this be the new 1908 and will it be based at yw or cv
Image and post for those intrested: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967184442600849469/1105510512634122310/image.png
Most likely either this or the merc will replace the e200s and b7rles that will remain in coventry
Feel like the yutong will be chosen since its very popular currently and that the merc is quite expensive too but thats my grain of salt.
Quote from: EK40 on May 09, 2023, 04:50:06 PMImage and post for those intrested: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967184442600849469/1105510512634122310/image.png
Most likely either this or the merc will replace the e200s and b7rles that will remain in coventry
Feel like the yutong will be chosen since its very popular currently and that the merc is quite expensive too but thats my grain of salt.
And what about the Wrights Kite and Alexander Dennis 100 that haven't been demonstrated yet?
How much is the difference in price between the Yutong and the Mercedes? Genuine question, I don't know.
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2023, 05:22:35 PMAnd what about the Wrights Kite and Alexander Dennis 100 that haven't been demonstrated yet?
How much is the difference in price between the Yutong and the Mercedes? Genuine question, I don't know.
Would the ADL100 be large enough, other than to replace the mini E200s and Streetlites (23 buses)? 25 seats plus 20 standees.
Surely the BYD/ADL E200 EV would be more suitable from the ADL range to replace the normal length E200s and B7RLEs?
One of the 'Zenobe 8' ready for use next week
NXWM Z4005 (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/Z4005.html)
Those Zenobe ADLs in a single colour look much better in the metal than in pictures, some clever use of viynl could add some contrast to the base colour.
I really like how on the electrics kind of kept the 'swoosh' while making the blue stripe part of the main vinyl.
I mean the small lining, just under the bottom windows in a white colour leaving a splash effect above the rear tyres. in a way kind of looks like a re adaptation of the previous livery
E038 looks a lot better than the rest. Can't quite place my finger on it. Must be the lack of blue front branding.
What is Zenobe?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on September 18, 2023, 05:40:53 PMWhat is Zenobe?
Google is your friend. Also this forum has a handy search function.
https://www.zenobe.com/uk/
Z4001/7 on the 6 today.
Z4001/6/7 around today.
QuoteZ4001/6/7 around today.
Use bustimes and see if their tracking
Could the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Not unless you want them to lose their roof... 28 can't have doubles unless the route gets re-routed.
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
Absolutely no way, when the new electrics arrive they will eventually and hopefully be used on routes that frequently have single deckers on them like 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67 and 907
Quote from: Owen on October 05, 2023, 11:37:28 PMCould the electric buses use summer road, as the height of an electric is 4.2 metres. Would the 28 be a candidate to go double deck?
A low height vehicle could fit under the bridge as its 14'0 and most low height deckers are 13'5-13'10 but nx doesnt ever use low height vehicles so its unlikely
QuoteAbsolutely no way, when the new electrics arrive they will eventually and hopefully be used on routes that frequently have single deckers on them like 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67 and 907
4/4A definitely needs them
Quote from: EK40 on October 06, 2023, 08:23:24 AMA low height vehicle could fit under the bridge as its 14'0 and most low height deckers are 13'5-13'10 but nx doesnt ever use low height vehicles so its unlikely
That would be like opening a can of worms in a way, wrong height decker allocated etc
Quote from: BBS on October 06, 2023, 08:59:22 AM4/4A definitely needs them
Yes I agree, but I think Electrics will go to YW and possibly transferring Platinums to AG, but that is only a guess
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 10:32:10 AMYes I agree, but I think Electrics will go to YW and possibly transferring Platinums to AG, but that is only a guess
As has been stated before, the next lot of incoming electric double decks are mainly to replace Scania OmniLinks and the last few non-Euro6 doubles.
At YW, I would guess new electrics will go on the 50, then Platinums will go on the 2 and 3. It's possible then that some Platinums might get transferred to AG in order to withdraw any non-Euro6 deckers.
But I understand AG is due some electrics of its own within the next two years, and you'll probably see the E200MMCs move out to replace OmniLinks elsewhere, maybe WB?
Quote from: Stu on October 06, 2023, 10:51:48 AMAs has been stated before, the next lot of incoming electric double decks are mainly to replace Scania OmniLinks and the last few non-Euro6 doubles.
Maybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2023, 12:08:47 PMMaybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Although the 8A/C does really need double deckers, I think it will be a while before they get double deckers. The city centre routes that get rammed need them first. Hopefully in a few years time the single deck to double deck ratio balances out.
On the subject of low bridges, I note with interest that the bridge on Bournville Lane - that the 27 passes under - is rated at 2.9m metres max height.
Looking through specs of various electric single decks currently available, none are less than 3.0m high.
I would guess that at some point in the future, this service will have to be rerouted to avoid this bridge, presumably along Mary Vale Road. In which case there would be no need to use single decks anyway, therefore YW wouldn't technically 'need' any at all.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2023, 12:08:47 PMMaybe electrics for the 8A/8C at PB to replace the oldest Scanias then.
Can't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 02:41:27 PMCan't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
Its been said before electrics and platinums can fit under.
Its the Omnicity and 48XX at PB that don't.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2023, 02:41:27 PMCan't put double deckers on the 8A/8C due to a low bridge on Highgate Road
The Electrics do fit under there, they are certified as 14'2" and the bridge is signed at 14'3"
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2023, 02:53:04 PMThe Electrics do fit under there, they are certified as 14'2" and the bridge is signed at 14'3"
The bridge on Summer Road in Erdington is also signed at 14'3", so theoretically the 28 and 96 could use E400MMCs then.
So its actually the 66 at PB which 'needs' single-decks, as the bridge on Station Road is signed at 13'.
Quote from: Stu on October 06, 2023, 03:10:26 PMThe bridge on Summer Road in Erdington is also signed at 14'3", so theoretically the 28 and 96 could use E400MMCs then.
The bridge on Summer Road in Erdington has had 14' 0" on it since 2008 according to Google Street View (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5255973,-1.8429262,3a,75y,346.91h,100.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-ovCEvHrQ4MmZM8By56CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
Quote from: ellspurs on October 06, 2023, 06:29:56 PMThe bridge on Summer Road in Erdington has had 14' 0" on it since 2008 according to Google Street View (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5255973,-1.8429262,3a,75y,346.91h,100.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-ovCEvHrQ4MmZM8By56CA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
Ah, I see now, I'm not so well versed in imperial measurements, however curiously they both do show 4.3m? (Which is where I've got mixed up presumably!)
Highgate Road (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4620573,-1.882395,3a,75y,304.39h,93.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saKQQASaeM6e39b39oc2ddw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
Robin Hood Lane (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4288852,-1.8550039,3a,52y,103.41h,103.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_PlpA-ljdONfOxXySDjriw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) - fine for E400MMCs on the 5
Any future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
Quote from: RW on October 16, 2023, 07:38:36 PMAny future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
Please the 97 can have them guys I think they should get new enviro
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 08:16:22 PMPlease the 97 can have them guys I think they should get new enviro
Why. When there's no point for the EV charging to be setup in BC when it's going at one point.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 16, 2023, 09:42:35 PMWhy. When there's no point for the EV charging to be setup in BC when it's going at one point.
No 97! Needs new stuff because it go by hospital
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 10:08:24 PMNo 97! Needs new stuff because it go by hospital
Just because it goes by a hospital doesn't mean it needs new vehicles.
Quote from: Jack on October 16, 2023, 11:18:36 PMJust because it goes by a hospital doesn't mean it needs new vehicles.
Yes but where I live it is very popular
Quote from: RW on October 16, 2023, 07:38:36 PMAny future electric vehicles acquired for NXWM likely to be the new ADL Enviro 400EV?
The next 500 or so already confirmed to be a mix of BYD400s and Wright Electroliners
i just been looking at the new Yutong double decker BEV with its upper deck featuring the london look very similar to the ADL design, Yutong starting to make inroads on the coaching sector, i bet they will under cut the local offerings lot of under hand dealings going on in the form of state subsides etc
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 16, 2023, 11:30:57 PMYes but where I live it is very popular
I suspect the 97 has more likelihood of being upgraded with Platinum's once the next batch of Electrics start to arrive.
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 11:45:21 AMI suspect the 97 has more likelihood of being upgraded with Platinum's once the next batch of Electrics start to arrive.
I think brand new
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 17, 2023, 01:21:25 PMI think brand new
It won't get brand new buses at the minute with BC garage due to close at some point in the next few years.
The next batch of new buses will probably be mostly for Perry Barr. So 101 etc will probably get new buses.
Maybe more new buses for Coventry also to replace B7RLE there.
And the next cascades will probably replace the remaining non euro 6 45XX and 46XX Gemini at AG and WB.
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 17, 2023, 01:21:25 PMI think brand new
Not in the next couple of years, they're not going to install electric charging points & infrastructure in BC garage when it's due to be closed down & demonlished for redevelopment of Digbeth.
The 97 does deserve new buses as it is a busy & I'm assuming very profitable route for NX. IIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage, some of which are still on there & branded. They're 20 years old this year, although the 97 does now see an increasing amount of E400's & odd Platinum's.
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 01:56:08 PMIIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage
1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2023, 01:57:38 PM1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
Forgot about the Ominilinks, still 16 years ago for the 97.
And the current 03 plate branded Tridents are still 20 years old.
94 hasn't hadn't anything new in 20 years either then.
Quote from: EK40 on October 16, 2023, 11:40:31 PMThe next 500 or so already confirmed to be a mix of BYD400s and Wright Electroliners
ADL may be open to negotiation if that's possible. The new E400ev has a really impressive spec!
Quote from: RW on October 17, 2023, 04:38:56 PMADL may be open to negotiation if that's possible. The new E400ev has a really impressive spec!
Looks real smart too, would be nice if CV could get their hands on a few of these and have some double decker variety instead of just BYDs.
Quote from: Danthebusman on October 17, 2023, 05:48:40 PMLooks real smart too, would be nice if CV could get their hands on a few of these and have some double decker variety instead of just BYDs.
Why would Coventry need any more double decks and even less so need two different types to maintain
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2023, 01:57:38 PM1788+ were orriginally delivered new for the 97.
The 03 reg were originally new for the 94.
The ex Lea hall services haven't had investment for years. ( only the bromford corridor)
Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2023, 06:10:04 PMWhy would Coventry need any more double decks and even less so need two different types to maintain
any idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 18, 2023, 05:55:58 PMany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
I think soho road please
Need better then old
Quote from: winston on October 17, 2023, 01:56:08 PMNot in the next couple of years, they're not going to install electric charging points & infrastructure in BC garage when it's due to be closed down & demonlished for redevelopment of Digbeth.
The 97 does deserve new buses as it is a busy & I'm assuming very profitable route for NX. IIRC the 97 hasn't had a new fleet since the 03 plate Tridents were delivered new to Lea Hall garage, some of which are still on there & branded. They're 20 years old this year, although the 97 does now see an increasing amount of E400's & odd Platinum's.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 18, 2023, 05:55:58 PMany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Hopefully before the end of this year, as NX have an agreement with TfWM to get rid of their non Euro6 vehicles by January!
Quote from: Stu on October 19, 2023, 07:36:34 AMHopefully before the end of this year, as NX have an agreement with TfWM to get rid of their non Euro6 vehicles by January!
I make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
Quote from: cardew on October 19, 2023, 08:08:29 AMI make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
There's 80 in the first delivery
Quoteany idea when the next batch of new buses is likely to start arriving ?
and maybe which garages are likely to get them (sporting bet it wont be AG)
Why won't it be AG?
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2023, 08:11:26 AMThere's 80 in the first delivery
Excellent news, thanks for the info
Quote from: cardew on October 19, 2023, 08:08:29 AMI make it 42 non Euro6 vehicles still around. With 30 electrics in the first delivery could there be some stragglers after this latest deadline anyway?
PB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:27 PMPB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
Bc won't get any as there going to be having a new depot built iirc
Quote from: Yasir6711 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:27 PMPB might get 50 electric to replace all e400 and dscanio dd. Then 30 e400 can go westbrom from pb. YW get all blue e400. BC get 30 electric and some buses go AG
All of the first 80 to PB maybe?
Could replace most of the decker fleet there i'd guess. Or maybe some 57 reg scanias on the 8/52 as well.
If the current charging infrastructure at YW is capable of handling a lot more buses, I suspect some may go to YW for the 50 potentially (?).
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2023, 06:20:22 PMAll of the first 80 to PB maybe?
Could replace most of the decker fleet there i'd guess. Or maybe some 57 reg scanias on the 8/52 as well.
Has it been confirmed they will be used on the 8? The 52 is mix of nearly anything like most other PB's routes.
Quote from: Jack on October 19, 2023, 07:26:38 PMHas it been confirmed they will be used on the 8? The 52 is mix of nearly anything like most other PB's routes.
No.
But guess some of the Omnilinks could be on borrowed time now. Think someone said the next batch of new buses will replace non euro 6 deckers and omnilinks as well.
We don't have a crystal ball. We can only use our own assumptions and hopes collectively, till we see the ball rolling.
What we know is euro6 vehicles will all be withdrawn by 2030 (according to nxwm). So every route will have their EV upgrades while being of similar age. So could that mean these vehicles would be garage upgrades rather than route upgrades?
Other than 2-3 years difference, the dd tridents and sd scanias are the same, euro 6 retro fitted. So the the later tridents could be eligible to continue while the scania fleet are reduced to a reasonable amount.
I'm sure the priority is now non-euro 6, then to reduce quantity of single deckers... All will probably be done seamlessly when we start to see big batches delivered at a time.
QuoteIf the current charging infrastructure at YW is capable of handling a lot more buses, I suspect some may go to YW for the 50 potentially (?).
Does the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
Quote from: BBS on October 20, 2023, 10:33:03 AMDoes the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
Its upgrade cycle is pretty frequent. 1998 with spectras, 2001 with B7TL ALX400s, then slightly newer trident ALX400s shortly after, 2008 with E400s, 2015 with crimson E400 MMCs, 2018 with platinum E400 MMCs.
Its one of the most frequently upgraded NX routes, indicating that it's probably one of the most profitable. I'd say it doesn't "need" upgrading, but it's not a bad shout either. Releasing 68 plate platinum buses to upgrade other bus routes seems good to me too.
Apparently the 'new' ADL electrics have a revised front geometry to protect vulnerable road users. The new spec vehicle begs the question how long will ADL continue with the BYD model?
Quote from: RW on October 24, 2023, 04:12:56 PMApparently the 'new' ADL electrics have a revised front geometry to protect vulnerable road users. The new spec vehicle begs the question how long will ADL continue with the BYD model?
For as long as customers want to order them. There could be many reasons why a BYD chassis would be more beneficial over an ADL for an operator.
Quote from: BBS on October 19, 2023, 08:13:31 AMWhy won't it be AG?
AG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 24, 2023, 07:26:54 PMAG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
Really, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 24, 2023, 07:45:01 PMReally, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
Thats a pretty big time gap
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 24, 2023, 07:45:01 PMReally, so the 2201-2250 for the 37, 71 and 72 weren't new then ?
What about the 46xx Geminis for the Outer Circle, weren't they new ?
And the large batch of Scanias for the 37
And the large batch of B7RLEs for the 71/71
Both of which were replaced after a couple of years by more new buses (2201-50)
( so not a big gap between the Geminis & E200MMCs)
i stand corrected
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 24, 2023, 07:47:26 PMThats a pretty big time gap
It's not really, AG had new B7's in 2007, new Omnilinks in 2010, B7's in 2012, MMC's in 2015 and also a year old lot in 2016.
A few of PB's services haven't had new vehicles since the early 2000's, AG was also given 3 year old MMC's in 2018, and they've just had more MMC's of near enough same age given to them, so yes AG have had a lot more new buses than some other depots.
Quote from: Jack on October 24, 2023, 07:53:06 PMIt's not really, AG had new B7's in 2007, new Omnilinks in 2010, B7's in 2012, MMC's in 2015 and also a year old lot in 2016.
A few of PB's services haven't had new vehicles since the early 2000's, AG was also given 3 year old MMC's in 2018, and they've just had more MMC's of near enough same age given to them, so yes AG have had a lot more new buses than some other depots.
You've forgotten 2099-2121 were new to AG as well!
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2023, 07:56:56 PMYou've forgotten 2099-2121 (tel:2099-2121) were new to AG as well!
Edited it, went out my head completely!
In Summary in the last 27 years Acocks Green has had:-
B10Bs new in 1996
Solos in 1999
Presidents in 2000
Geminis in 2003 (45xx)
Geminis in 2004 (46xx)
B7RLEs in 2007
Scanias in 2010
B7RLEs in 2012
E200MMCs in 2015
Not bad for a garage that very rarely gets new buses.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 24, 2023, 07:26:54 PMAG rarely gets NEW vehicles, and quite often if they do, they whisked away to BC, PB or YW in exchange for rubbish, these days tho i rather see new vehicles move to WB as most services i use are WB
If it is some small crumb of comfort, there are 300 brand new buses due to be delivered within the next two years, and all West Midlands garages will be getting their fair share.
The irony will be that BC will be the only garage not to get any!
Quote from: BBS on October 20, 2023, 10:33:03 AMDoes the 50 really need to be upgraded again?
It's one of Europe's busiest routes and NXWM's most frequent service, so I'd say so
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2023, 08:21:20 PMIn Summary in the last 27 years Acocks Green has had:-
B10Bs new in 1996
Solos in 1999
Presidents in 2000
Geminis in 2003 (45xx)
Geminis in 2004 (46xx)
B7RLEs in 2007
Scanias in 2010
B7RLEs in 2012
E200MMCs in 2015
Not bad for a garage that very rarely gets new buses.
Solo's & Presidents were the worst of the worst,
i did also state that when they get new vehicles, they quickly disappear to YW /PB / BC
just saying thats all
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2023, 08:31:19 PMThe irony will be that BC will be the only garage not to get any!
I mean BC have had new buses nearly every year for a few years now (obviously not with the electrics or hydrogens for previously stated reasons), so I guess it balances it out.
P
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 25, 2023, 03:14:01 PMSolo's & Presidents were the worst of the worst,
i did also state that when they get new vehicles, they quickly disappear to YW /PB / BC
just saying thats all
Payback for nicking YWs Lynxes and some Metros in 1994 in exchange for Fleetlines. Never forget 😂😂
With the deliveries of electric buses starting soon (Tony mentioned it in the Perry Barr thread) will any other garages barring BC and WB (if it is to close?) Getting charging facilities?
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 25, 2023, 12:42:26 AMIt's one of Europe's busiest routes and NXWM's most frequent service, so I'd say so
The 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
There is also the new E400 Ev (new look/model )that's was revealed today
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
Don't forget that Diamond have recently boosted capacity on the 50 by using double-decks.
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 02, 2023, 12:03:06 AMThere is also the new E400 Ev (new look/model )that's was revealed today
I'm hoping NX give this one a go! It looks good, higher capacity. Two wheelchair spaces as standard. And it hasn't got that awful headroom at the rear.
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
electroliners have the exact same layout and capacity as the streetdecks iirc so a total capacity of 100 to 96 (75-83 seated)
Quote from: Mike K on November 01, 2023, 11:02:18 PMThe 50 does seem one of the obvious candidates for new electric buses in the not too distant future.
If they were of the E400 City BYD variant that YW already has however, would capacity (at current frequency) be an issue? They only seat 65, three seats less than the Wright B5LH hybrids which were moved off the 61/63 due to overcrowding, and 8 less than a diesel Platinum. That's a loss of 96 seats per hour on the 50, which has a similar frequency to the combined 61/63, and handles significant passenger numbers.
I believe the Wright Electroliners have a greater capacity. Perhaps these would be more suitable candidates.
My guess is that Electrics going to YW will go on to the 2, 3 and 18
Quote from: Gareth on November 02, 2023, 11:33:49 AMI'm hoping NX give this one a go! It looks good, higher capacity. Two wheelchair spaces as standard. And it hasn't got that awful headroom at the rear.
It does look decent on paper, a lot smarter looking than the fugly E400 City body too. I do think greater capacity will be needed on many of the 5 min frequency main corridors into Birmingham as and when they eventually are upgraded to electric buses, and that the BYD vehicles would struggle.
QuoteMy guess is that Electrics going to YW will go on to the 2, 3 and 18
Would the first 170 electrics to enter service be enough to cover all Birmingham main corridor services ran by PB and YW? If YW and PB will be the only garages getting the electric buses first (not confirmed)
Quote from: BK63 YWP on November 02, 2023, 05:27:26 PMWould the first 170 electrics to enter service be enough to cover all Birmingham main corridor services ran by PB and YW? If YW and PB will be the only garages getting the electric buses first (not confirmed)
Probably not, but that's not the main intention.
As previously stated, the first aim will be to withdraw any remaining non-Euro6 vehicles, so I'd expect to see some E400s and E400MMCs heading off elsewhere first.
The second aim will be to start reducing the number of single decks by withdrawing Scania OmniLinks, which both YW and PB have far too many of!
I would expect incoming EVs to go onto the Sutton Lines at PB and the 6 and 50 at YW. At YW this would allow E400MMCs to replace OmniLinks currently being used on the 2, 3, and 76. Likewise at PB, where the excess number of OmniLinks can start to be dwindled down.
Don't forget the E400MMC Platinums still have a fair few years of life left in them. And equally until a buying decision is made on zero-emission single decks, I could see some of the E200s and Eclipse 2s being moved around to replace other OmniLinks elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on November 02, 2023, 07:42:52 PMDon't forget the E400MMC Platinums still have a fair few years of life left in them. And equally until a buying decision is made on zero-emission single decks, I could see some of the E200s and Eclipse 2s being moved around to replace other OmniLinks elsewhere.
Coventry has currently 19 B7RLEs and 11 E200s - suggesting the volume of vehicles at CV is probably too high and in any case these will have to be replaced by electric single decks, where required, by 2025. I would have expected AG to receive a few more B7RLEs and the rest to WA to replace Scanias? I wonder where the E200s will go? Possibly YW for the 27?
Quote from: don on November 02, 2023, 11:19:38 PMCoventry has currently 19 B7RLEs and 11 E200s - suggesting the volume of vehicles at CV is probably too high and in any case these will have to be replaced by electric single decks, where required, by 2025. I would have expected AG to receive a few more B7RLEs and the rest to WA to replace Scanias? I wonder where the E200s will go? Possibly YW for the 27?
The number of single decks at CV has reduced since the arrival of the EVs, however it could be argued that they still have more single decks than they 'need' (for the 20B route).
I imagine they would still want to keep a number there for the 20B and for routes that wouldn't require the capacity of a double-deck though. I suppose it is possible that as well as single-deck EVs, CV might also get a few more doubles if further 'balancing' is required.
Regarding the 27, that's an interesting one in itself. Yes, I could see some E200s making their way to YW for a few years, I think Tony said elsewhere that after this weekend, YW would only 'need' 5 or 6 single decks to operate that route in its shortened form.
However looking further down the line, as I have commented here already, there aren't any single-deck EVs that are less than 3m in height, so by 2030 - when NX aims to have a 100% zero emission fleet - the 27 isn't going to be able to serve Bournville Lane anyway, so if it is rerouted around that very low bridge, then they may as well use double decks, then YW doesn't 'need' any single deck vehicles at all.
QuoteThe number of single decks at CV has reduced since the arrival of the EVs, however it could be argued that they still have more single decks than they 'need' (for the 20B route).
I imagine they would still want to keep a number there for the 20B and for routes that wouldn't require the capacity of a double-deck though. I suppose it is possible that as well as single-deck EVs, CV might also get a few more doubles if further 'balancing' is required.
Regarding the 27, that's an interesting one in itself. Yes, I could see some E200s making their way to YW for a few years, I think Tony said elsewhere that after this weekend, YW would only 'need' 5 or 6 single decks to operate that route in its shortened form.
However looking further down the line, as I have commented here already, there aren't any single-deck EVs that are less than 3m in height, so by 2030 - when NX aims to have a 100% zero emission fleet - the 27 isn't going to be able to serve Bournville Lane anyway, so if it is rerouted around that very low bridge, then they may as well use double decks, then YW doesn't 'need' any single deck vehicles at all.
25 also can't have the double decks, I'm pretty sure the rest can ( 2,2A,85,85B )
LG73 FTT will be one of the registrations of the next batch
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2023, 05:02:34 PMLG73 FTT will be one of the registrations of the next batch
I don't suppose you're in any position yet to reveal which garage is going to receive these? :smiley:
Quote from: BBS on November 04, 2023, 11:55:24 AM25 also can't have the double decks, I'm pretty sure the rest can ( 2,2A,85,85B )
Yes - electric double decks do run on the 85 through to and from Rugby on schooldays, and one has occasionally run on the 85B.
Booked registrations for the next 30 electrics are now on the main site.
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Although these are 'booked' none have actually be registered yet so it's possible any deliveries delayed will be changed.
E164 has been delivered today
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 12:18:06 PME164 has been delivered today
Before anyone starts getting excited, I assume these will initially be delivered to BC to have equipment installed etc?
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2023, 07:36:38 PMBefore anyone starts getting excited, I assume these will initially be delivered to BC to have equipment installed etc?
Yes, and then parked at various sites until they can be used
All details up to E243 now on the main site ( and will be on buslists on the web soon as well)
Z4002/3/4/5 have all left BC to Roberts Yard in Hugglescote
E004 has now left YW
@Tony are NX monitoring battery hours as well as vehicle mileage to see if the two are being maximised?
Quote from: Wumpty on November 15, 2023, 09:10:11 AM@Tony are NX monitoring battery hours as well as vehicle mileage to see if the two are being maximised?
Yes, the buses all have kit on that shows all the details automatically
Quote from: Stu on November 04, 2023, 06:48:10 PMI don't suppose you're in any position yet to reveal which garage is going to receive these? :smiley:
May I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
Quote from: windy miller on November 16, 2023, 03:47:27 AMMay I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
What about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 16, 2023, 06:00:01 AMWhat about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
And don't forget the 33 49xx as well
Quote from: windy miller on November 16, 2023, 03:47:27 AMMay I ask the same question.. E buses from 164 and above ? is there ever a chance WB might get a new fleet one day..... They used to be permanent bridesmaids with loads
of hand me downs back in the 80-90's
Short answer, yes. All garages will receive new buses within the next few years.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 16, 2023, 06:00:01 AMWhat about the new Mercedes 0405N's that were new for the 74 ?
What about the Volvo B6's that were new for the 401/402, 644 ?
What about the Volvo Gemini's (4700-4717 (tel:4700-4717)) that were new for the 82/87 ?
What about the Platinums that were new for the 82/87 ?
Don't forget 751-760, 831-839 and the earlier 81x E200s that were all new to WB
Quote from: frostjay974 on November 16, 2023, 05:26:05 PMDon't forget 751-760, 831-839 and the earlier 81x E200s that were all new to WB
New Omnilinks too in 2008/9 for the 404's as well.
And West Brom had a load of brand new merc minibuses two batches
Quote from: karl724223 on November 16, 2023, 05:44:13 PMAnd West Brom had a load of brand new merc minibuses two batches
Yet apparently they never get any new buses...
All of E164-E170 now delivered
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2023, 11:09:51 AMAll of E164-E170 now delivered
Who's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 17, 2023, 03:12:08 PMWho's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Moat likely that Perry Bar will be the first.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on November 17, 2023, 03:12:08 PMWho's getting them ?
any idea on the allocations for any of the new lot ?
Pensnett
Quote from: Wumpty on November 22, 2023, 10:36:15 AMJust spat my coffee out @karl724223 :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Your age or your now a dribbler 😂😂
Quote from: karl724223 on November 22, 2023, 12:12:31 PMYour age or your now a dribbler 😂😂
I suspect some will be an PN before long
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2023, 12:36:50 PMI suspect some will be an PN before long
I've seen some coming through Walsall this morning obviously heading to the garage.
Quote from: PB50 on November 22, 2023, 01:24:39 PMI've seen some coming through Walsall this morning obviously heading to the garage.
4 currently at WA and 10 at BC
Noted UID one on the M6 south near junction 36 about 14.30 today
Mentions pensnett wonder if will be for 126
Quote from: Solo1 on November 23, 2023, 01:55:30 PMMentions pensnett wonder if will be for 126
Likely Pensnett will just be used for temporary storage, same as Walsall and Birmingham Central.
@Tony any performance figures available for first phase electrics 20 plates) to see how battery life against mileage covered is performing?
Interested to see if the batteries are sustaining the constant charging as there would be some expected battery depreciation.
E236 & E239 are both built at ADL, Falkirk:
E236:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53356295212
E239:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53357501859
The first two of
Quote from: winston on November 27, 2023, 05:24:32 PME236 & E239 are both built at ADL, Falkirk:
E236:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53356295212
E239:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/197146068@N03/53357501859
the first two second batch (E194/5) are due for delivery this week. (along with all the remaining ones of the first batch)
How come they have London registrations
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 27, 2023, 06:02:02 PMHow come they have London registrations
Exactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2023, 06:06:46 PMExactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
I've noticed that Go Ahead companies tend in many cases to have their vehicles registered locally, regardless of make. For example GNE's E200s carry Newcastle plates (although their E400s don't) and most of Go South Coast's ADL vehicles have Hampshire plates. Likewise, Plymouth Citybus tend to have West Country plates. I'm not sure how or why Go Ahead manage to do this when other companies don't, but I personally think the loss of local plates on what are already pretty generic buses nationwide these days is a bit of a shame.
E187 arrived at Wolverhampton where it is being stored.
E170 is the first new electric to get to Perry Barr. It's only to be used for on site training at the moment so don't expect to see it out and about
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2023, 04:28:07 PME170 is the first new electric to get to Perry Barr. It's only to be used for on site training at the moment so don't expect to see it out and about
Do the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
Have a look at this (timestamped for relevance)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHfctjQUp0&t=186
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
I believe they plug in like an electric car/van does. Pantographs were used on trolley buses in the day and now on the trams otherwise there would be streets of overhead lines to accommodate the new electrics,
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 30, 2023, 03:47:51 PMI believe they plug in like an electric car/van does. Pantographs were used on trolley buses in the day and now on the trams otherwise there would be streets of overhead lines to accommodate the new electrics,
No because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:57:42 PMNo because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
If you look at the video I posted in my previous reply, that will answer your question.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:57:42 PMNo because the buses at the airport are pantograph chargerd and also plug in and Perry Barr has the things above to allow charging I believe Tony will know
Perry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2023, 04:13:31 PMPerry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
Oh okay thankyou tony, I was told that the things on wire at Perry Barr is for overhead charging clearly not correct sorry
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 04:16:19 PMOh okay thankyou tony, I was told that the things on wire at Perry Barr is for overhead charging clearly not correct sorry
Drivers get a extension lead when they book on to plug into lampposts at the terminus 😎
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 30, 2023, 03:26:24 PMDo the electrics have pantographs to be charged or will charging facilities be fitted
I think it's going to be charging points as all the electrical work has been fitted underground
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2023, 06:06:46 PMExactly the same reason all the others in the fleet do. They're registered by BYD. Apart from Wrights most buses are registered in the area they are built, or where the head office is.
Off topic question but were the scania omnilinks built in Poland?
Quote from: frostjay974 on November 30, 2023, 05:33:22 PMOff topic question but were the scania omnilinks built in Poland?
Isn't that better to ask in another thread?
Why are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
Quote from: jasmine on January 23, 2024, 11:33:56 PMWhy are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
These are a small batch of 'spare buses' (Z). these are implemented the place of a (E) EV while it's taken out of service. Pretty much back up, not meant to be a long term, Or part of any garage in particular.
Quote from: jasmine on January 23, 2024, 11:33:56 PMWhy are 3 buses given the Z prefix for their fleet number and not E like the rest of the e400EV's?
These are Zenobes fleet as spares I believe there are 8 numbered Z4001-8, to be used when needed to replace I believe some of the earlier Electrics from the first batch
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2023, 04:13:31 PMPerry Barr doesn't have anything above for charging. They will be exactly the same as the Coventry ones
I have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
All I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Yes, I am aware of certain stories about electric bus fires and admittedly I've not looked too closely into them, but equally as far as I am aware, it has never been made clear if such vehicles have 'accidentally' caught fire or been subject to arson attacks.
Or put it in another way, NX have had far more fires in the last three years involving diesel vehicles, than electric ones.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 08:46:33 PMOr put it in another way, NX have had far more fires in the last three years involving diesel vehicles, than electric ones.
Most of them have been arson haven't they? 6899, 7508, 4614 etc.
The diesel vehicles make up a higher percentage of the fleet as well.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
it was only one fire btw, with a fairly rare type in the grand scheme of things (optare metrodecker EV) only operated in small amounts in london and york. nothings being withdrawn or converted or the like.
the type NX uses (BYD ADL400EV) has not had any isses despite probably being one of the most common electric types and being in service for nearly 5 years across the country.
its sensationalist media really, just trying to ragebait for clicks as they know people generally arent a fan of EVs due to some legitimate concerns and many random things they've been told over facebook and believe.
Quote from: 2206 on January 25, 2024, 08:57:38 PMMost of them have been arson haven't they? 6899, 7508, 4614 etc.
The diesel vehicles make up a higher percentage of the fleet as well.
6137, 6988, 6766, 4554 and 4456 to over the last couple of years plus 4483
Plus 4543/4624/4629
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 25, 2024, 07:33:18 PMI have noticed lately (on social media) a lot of operators are having trouble with Electric Buses catching fire, in fact it appears one London Operator / Garage have withdrawn all Electric Buses for the immediate future replacing them with Diesel Buses with immediate effect, there is also another operator that i believe only had 28 so far but these are being returned for conversion to Diesel ??
my question PLEASE, is are NXWM Electrics likely to suffer the same fate or are NXWM Electrics safe from this
You say 'a lot'. Can you name more than 5 in the last 10 years since they started mainstream production
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:46:40 PMAll I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Very much this.
You only have to see which individuals and publications are pushing this agenda to know they're trying to start another "wedge issue".
Quote from: cardew on January 26, 2024, 07:49:29 AMVery much this.
You only have to see which individuals and publications are pushing this agenda to know they're trying to start another "wedge issue".
The only electric bus fires have been:
First York Optare in 2015 (relatively minor damage the bus was repaired and is still in use)
Metroline Potters Bar Optare Metrodecker depot fire caused by human error, incorrect fluid was put in the battery coolant)
Stagecoach Mansfield BYD E200
Go-Ahead Optare Metrodecker in Wimbledon
Go-Ahead BYD/E200 in Putney garage.
so five vehicles, four companies in 10 years, not a lot!
Now let's see if anyone can compile a list of diesels that have gone up in the last 10 years.
I know there's around 20 times more diesels on the road, but there's been a lot more than 100 thermal incidents on diesels in that time.
Quote from: cris 99 on January 26, 2024, 05:41:42 AMPlus 4543/4624/4629
Oh yeah forgot about them but 4543 was withdrawn way before that batch went from Wolverhampton to YW so I didn't include I only included buses from the lady couple of years when Electrics started to enter service.
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2024, 08:23:27 AMThe only electric bus fires have been:
First York Optare in 2015 (relatively minor damage the bus was repaired and is still in use)
Metroline Potters Bar Optare Metrodecker depot fire caused by human error, incorrect fluid was put in the battery coolant)
Stagecoach Mansfield BYD E200
Go-Ahead Optare Metrodecker in Wimbledon
Go-Ahead BYD/E200 in Putney garage.
so five vehicles, four companies in 10 years, not a lot!
Now let's see if anyone can compile a list of diesels that have gone up in the last 10 years.
I know there's around 20 times more diesels on the road, but there's been a lot more than 100 thermal incidents on diesels in that time.
Some for NX that weren't arson 1793, 2151, 4593, 4601, then there was an MMC that has since been repaired, 4577, then there was the ex NX/McGills E200MMC not sure on the thousands of others but that is some in the West Midlands not forgetting before it 4336, 4355, various Mercs, the Diamond Solo that caught fire in Bloxwhich and more if that I know of but can't remember what it was
Gave way to E200 coming into City off Bradford Street earlier. Driven by a certain someone... lol
If anything, GoAhead London need to investigate why three of their vehicles have caught fire in the span of two weeks. Their other fire was an Enviro 400 MMC hybrid which devastated the bus.
Report on BBC, electric bus fire inside Putney garage, its states on a letter to all staff by GoAhead it was a single decker BYD/ADL and checks are being made on 380 other buses
Quote from: Mayfield on January 26, 2024, 02:05:58 PMReport on BBC, electric bus fire inside Putney garage, its states on a letter to all staff by GoAhead it was a single decker BYD/ADL a
I put that in my post.
As it was the front of the bus where the fire was, that almost certainly eliminates any causes due to it being an electric bus.
Most likely cause, not saying that it is to pre-empt the enquiry, is an electrical problem in the 24v system which all buses have, not just electrics.
As Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 06:50:03 PMAs Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Going off their commitment to be zero emission by 2030*, that means they intend to replace the last of the Diesels, which are 2019 models. They'd be 11 years old in 2030, compared with the oldest vehicles at the moment being 21 years old. So unless anything changes, the latest batch of Platinums have only got 6 years left.
*not 100% certain, but 2030 rings a bell.
Quote from: MW on January 26, 2024, 07:06:06 PMGoing off their commitment to be zero emission by 2030*, that means they intend to replace the last of the Diesels, which are 2019 models. They'd be 11 years old in 2030, compared with the oldest vehicles at the moment being 21 years old. So unless anything changes, the latest batch of Platinums have only got 6 years left.
*not 100% certain, but 2030 rings a bell.
That is correct, the commitment was to have a 'zero-emission' bus fleet by 2030. Your calculations are probably right, the 'newest' diesel Platinums will likely be the last to be withdrawn as they still have a good few years in them.
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 06:50:03 PMAs Electrics and indeed hydrogen powered vehicles enter the fleet, when a garage is allocated them, will they concentrate on replacing all the diesels at that particular garage such as the deckers at coventry, or will they be spread about as and when garages are able to charge or fuel them. Also would this mean existing diesel fleet (older ones of certain age obviously will be withdrawn euro 6 or not) be replaced before their natural service life expires or will thy be sold on?
Tony mentioned either here or in another thread that Perry Barr are due to have all their diesel double-decks replaced with new electrics in this latest delivery. While I would not like to say for certain what is going to happen, I would imagine we'll see some of their existing newer diesel double-decks be shifted around to other garages to withdraw some older ones.
Hearing (rumours) that the 8 could go DD...
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2024, 07:31:13 PMThat is correct, the commitment was to have a 'zero-emission' bus fleet by 2030. Your calculations are probably right, the 'newest' diesel Platinums will likely be the last to be withdrawn as they still have a good few years in them.
Tony mentioned either here or in another thread that Perry Barr are due to have all their diesel double-decks replaced with new electrics in this latest delivery. While I would not like to say for certain what is going to happen, I would imagine we'll see some of their existing newer diesel double-decks be shifted around to other garages to withdraw some older ones.
My point was obviously as with the coventry diesel double deckers, they were shifted around the rest of the depots, so its a given the non euro 6 will go asap, then the oldest buses go, but will they do 1 garage at a time, or as they all become suitable for charging spread the introduction around keep average age down. I do wonder if as the majority of those diesel buses to be replaced are euro 6 and psvar whether nore would see resale upon withdraway. id imagine when they get to the last batch of platinums as they only be 11 years old they wouldnt be scrapped as still be worth money
Quote from: mranon on January 26, 2024, 08:49:10 PMMy point was obviously as with the coventry diesel double deckers, they were shifted around the rest of the depots, so its a given the non euro 6 will go asap, then the oldest buses go, but will they do 1 garage at a time, or as they all become suitable for charging spread the introduction around keep average age down. I do wonder if as the majority of those diesel buses to be replaced are euro 6 and psvar whether nore would see resale upon withdraway. id imagine when they get to the last batch of platinums as they only be 11 years old they wouldnt be scrapped as still be worth money
Well even older buses like the B7's got sold on so the Plattys definitely will, that is if no one else is wanting all electric fleet. Maybe they could be exported to NI or Right Hand Drive overseas markets
Is 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 26, 2024, 11:48:58 PMIs 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
@Tony has only mentioned all PB's diesel double deckers being replaced - there are 99 currently (by my reckoning - which may or may not be accurate!! ) 🤣
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 26, 2024, 11:48:58 PMIs 170 double deckers enough to replace all deckers at YW and PB? In this current new batch.
Can see Walsall lurking in the corner eyeing up deckers
Not quite, I make it 179 diesel deckers still active at those garages (102 x PB & 77 x YW).
The Omnilinks fleet at both garages could also be reduced by cascaded deckers too.
Just seen E167 outside One Stop in perry barr. Is this bus with Coventry as the back display said NX coventry.
No it's Perry Barr bus driver training.
But will it eventually go to Coventry?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 12:04:18 PMBut will it eventually go to Coventry?
No, if you look at the mainn site with the 1000's of photos Tony puts on, you can answer your own question:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E167.html
Electric Bus fleetlist:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 12:06:30 PMNo, if you look at the mainn site with the 1000's of photos Tony puts on, you can answer your own question:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E167.html
Electric Bus fleetlist:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Thanks, but why would the back display say NX Coventry if it has nothing to do with coventry?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 12:12:01 PMThanks, but why would the back display say NX Coventry if it has nothing to do with coventry?
It's just a display, Tony has said previously he often uses NXC route 11 to test displays / NSA's
Quote from: EK40 on January 25, 2024, 09:07:54 PMit was only one fire btw, with a fairly rare type in the grand scheme of things (optare metrodecker EV) only operated in small amounts in london and york. nothings being withdrawn or converted or the like.
the type NX uses (BYD ADL400EV) has not had any isses despite probably being one of the most common electric types and being in service for nearly 5 years across the country.
its sensationalist media really, just trying to ragebait for clicks as they know people generally arent a fan of EVs due to some legitimate concerns and many random things they've been told over facebook and believe.
Thank You i was not aware it was one i have seen several posts, one through the garage doors & 2 from different angles i thought that was 3 my bad, im not an expert, i did not realise also that there are different types, i thought the differences where just Chassis & Body - i AM afan of the Electrics, but NOT The Tram, i would be a fan of the Hydrogens but they spend too much time off the road, it seems the technology is not ready to be rolled out yet as the infrastructure is not there
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:46:40 PMAll I will say is to be wary of "anti-electric vehicle" propaganda.
Especially if it is being circulated on social media.
Yes, I am aware of certain stories about electric bus fires and admittedly I've not looked too closely into them, but equally as far as I am aware, it has never been made clear if such vehicles have 'accidentally' caught fire or been subject to arson attacks.
Thank you for not jumping down my throat
for the record, im ok with The Electrics, my attention was grabbed by the fact they were on fire, agreed NXWM has suffered a lot of Arson Attacks lately, somebody recently claimed to be responsible for a fire to an ALX400 and said F**k It it's only a bus, only a bus it maybe (to some ppl) but if the same ppl had to buy one (even a pre-owned one) i think attitudes might change, similarly if they need to get from A to B but there is a shortage of Buses due to them being Burned, they will be first to slag the bus company.
Burning Buses (or anything) should be stamped out its not funny & its not victimless.
anyhoo thanks for that, ill continue to just watch what happens
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 27, 2024, 02:11:25 PMThank you for not jumping down my throat
for the record, im ok with The Electrics, my attention was grabbed by the fact they were on fire, agreed NXWM has suffered a lot of Arson Attacks lately, somebody recently claimed to be responsible for a fire to an ALX400 and said F**k It it's only a bus, only a bus it maybe (to some ppl) but if the same ppl had to buy one (even a pre-owned one) i think attitudes might change, similarly if they need to get from A to B but there is a shortage of Buses due to them being Burned, they will be first to slag the bus company.
They'd be changing their tune if they were forced to pay for one bus......
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 12:13:28 PMIt's just a display, Tony has said previously he often uses NXC route 11 to test displays / NSA's
Ok thanks. By the way I haven't read every message of every section of this forum so there are of course some things that have been mentioned that I haven't seen.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 03:32:52 PMOk thanks. By the way I haven't read every message of every section of this forum so there are of course some things that have been mentioned that I haven't seen.
The livery it carries will tell you far more than the display. Especially as that one has been vinyled up in full.
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 05:06:22 PMThe livery it carries will tell you far more than the display. Especially as that one has been vinyled up in full.
Couldn't quite see the livery due to cars surrounding the vehicle unfortunately.
When electric chargers are fitted at garages, how many are actually needed? Is it one per bus? So when YW had 20 delivered did they need 20 chargers installed? Same with CV and PB.
Quote from: Gareth on January 27, 2024, 05:37:19 PMWhen electric chargers are fitted at garages, how many are actually needed? Is it one per bus? So when YW had 20 delivered did they need 20 chargers installed? Same with CV and PB.
Ideally, yes, so each bus in the garage overnight is charged ready for the morning peak, but some buses will always be under maintenance, so it's not quite 100% that's neede
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 05:32:30 PMCouldn't quite see the livery due to cars surrounding the vehicle unfortunately.
Exactly my point, you could have looked at the main site & would have seen it was in NXWM livery, that's why Tony spends so much of his time taking & uploading photos etc
Quote from: winston on January 27, 2024, 06:14:05 PMExactly my point, you could have looked at the main site & would have seen it was in NXWM livery, that's why Tony spends so much of his time taking & uploading photos etc
Well unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:16:10 PMWell unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
Maybe it should be next time then.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:16:10 PMWell unfortunately for you, my first thought wasn't to check the main site. I'm sorry if that affected you so much.
If you saw the blinds you would have seen lots of red, not blue livery, the whole of the panel around the destination is red
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 06:18:44 PMIf you saw the blinds you would have seen lots of red, not blue livery, the whole of the panel around the destination is red
Unfortunately I only saw the back display of the bus. I will make an effort to check the main site before posting again though 👍
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:22:02 PMUnfortunately I only saw the back display of the bus.
How did you know it was E167?
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 06:46:30 PMHow did you know it was E167?
Because it said E167 on the back
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 27, 2024, 06:51:49 PMBecause it said E167 on the back
On the red livery which you claim you didn't see
Are these deliveries, garage upgrades instead of route upgrades?
it'll take till one garage' fleet is replaced then onto the next garage. Instead of some here for these routes some there for them?
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
I'm sorry, but I don't really pay attention to the fine details of a bus when i'm focusing on the road. I saw E167 on a back of a black bus, with the back display showing nxcoventry. Clearly the red wasn't very noticeable or I would've seen it!
Quote from: don on January 26, 2024, 11:57:12 PM@Tony has only mentioned all PB's diesel double deckers being replaced - there are 99 currently (by my reckoning - which may or may not be accurate!! ) 🤣
When this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 28, 2024, 07:18:22 PMWhen this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
I think you should take the time to read back through this and other threads, because I'm sure we've been over all this before.
In short:
- the overall fleet has far too many single decks for what is actually needed, and one of the aims of the current delivery of 300 new electric double decks is to reduce the number of singles.
- the 4/4H/4M can't have double decks due to the bridge height restriction at Sandwell & Dudley station.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
Speaking of red and blue liveries, why did a few Cov E400 MMCs have the red TfWM livery as opposed to the sky blue one?
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 28, 2024, 07:18:22 PMWhen this happens I think Perry Barr should give some double deckers to Walsall, looks like they've been struggling because they have been putting singles on the 51 ect recently, then maybe they can sort something out with the 4s and get doubles on the 4 as really needs them.
I have a funny feeling the 16 branded will go WB. And the Sutton's will go AG. and the e400 tridents YW
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2024, 07:26:10 PMI think you should take the time to read back through this and other threads, because I'm sure we've been over all this before.
In short:
- the overall fleet has far too many single decks for what is actually needed, and one of the aims of the current delivery of 300 new electric double decks is to reduce the number of singles.
- the 4/4H/4M can't have double decks due to the bridge height restriction at Sandwell & Dudley station.
Which buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 28, 2024, 10:54:59 PMWhich buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
All double deckers as signage was changed.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 27, 2024, 02:54:51 PMThey'd be changing their tune if they were forced to pay for one bus......
i fully agree, that was my point :grin:
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 28, 2024, 10:54:59 PMWhich buses does this affect because during the covid lockdown I remember seeing pictures of MMCs and regular e400s on them as of http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6750.html
Quote from: Jack on January 29, 2024, 02:04:48 AMAll double deckers as signage was changed.
https://www.blackcountryradio.co.uk/news/local-headlines/warning-to-drivers-as-height-restriction-reduced-on-oldbury-bridge/ as per what
@Jack has said.
Not related to nxwm but just seen a wright gb kite electric one (idk name) from first heading towards city centre by stock field road.
Quote from: jasmine on January 28, 2024, 08:53:35 PMSpeaking of red and blue liveries, why did a few Cov E400 MMCs have the red TfWM livery as opposed to the sky blue one?
Loaned or short term transfers I think.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 30, 2024, 02:59:16 PMLoaned or short term transfers I think.
It was just they had the blue changed to red just before the electrics arrived so they were ready for transfer
Quote from: Dababa015 on January 30, 2024, 01:34:14 PMNot related to nxwm but just seen a wright gb kite electric one (idk name) from first heading towards city centre by stock field road.
most likely just going to greysons in tyseley (or from) quite a lot of electroliners from all over the country there, and two brand new enviro 400ev demos in a camo livery.
Just seen a national express West Midlands branded new electric and great Barr just now, anyone know what one this was please?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 12:42:06 PMJust seen a national express West Midlands branded new electric and great Barr just now, anyone know what one this was please?
It will be one of PB's E165 or E167 but I don't know which will be there at the time you saw
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:08:55 PMIt will be one of PB's E165 or E167 but I don't know which will be there at the time you saw
Oh, what was the one you was on the M6 near great Barr, I seen you driving
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 02:25:35 PMOh, what was the one you was on the M6 near great Barr, I seen you driving
You didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:31:27 PMYou didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
No I know I didn't ask that at first, if you seen I put oh then a comma meaning I was asking a different question,
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 02:31:27 PMYou didn't ask for one on the Motorway, that was E177
You was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
He
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMYou was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
He was driving E177 earlier because he took it from BC to WN
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMYou was not driving E177 on the motorway unless you drove it straight to Birmingham central to be branded up because E177 it's all branded up for West Midlands.
Don't tell me what I was & wasn't driving, and you wonder why I get annoyed with you.
Here's me driving E177 today. Link to it on Facebook here if you are in the group Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1880112679115364&set=gm.7335911743113952&idorvanity=411584718880057) (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/424958024_1880112669115365_638239180896130697_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=Bh8qHYdxFrwAX8ayJrA&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfAVUIKPJW68P4Rk5t3M_R_614QeGb4bHrcLa5iOJYRinA&oe=65C0626F)
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 06:21:47 PMDon't tell me what I was & wasn't driving, and you wonder why I get annoyed with you.
Here's me driving E177 today. Link to it on Facebook here if you are in the group Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1880112679115364&set=gm.7335911743113952&idorvanity=411584718880057) (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/424958024_1880112669115365_638239180896130697_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=Bh8qHYdxFrwAX8ayJrA&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfAVUIKPJW68P4Rk5t3M_R_614QeGb4bHrcLa5iOJYRinA&oe=65C0626F)
Well, if you didn't block me I'd be able to see it would I, and again as I said the one the motorway had NO logos on this does, I'm not annoying you I'm asking a question this is NOT what I seen on the motorway unless as I said you took it to be branded.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 07:11:53 PMWell, if you didn't block me I'd be able to see it would I, and again as I said the one the motorway had NO logos on this does, I'm not annoying you I'm asking a question this is NOT what I seen on the motorway unless as I said you took it to be branded.
That has nothing to do with me blocking you as it is obviously not my photo!
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 07:25:57 PMThat has nothing to do with me blocking you as it is obviously not my photo!
Okay, so what bus was you driving down the M6, because it definitely was not E177 I seen I have a photo, unless you took it to BC to be branded but reg plates don't match. I don't see why you can't just answer simple and be helpful.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 07:36:43 PMOkay, so what bus was you driving down the M6, because it definitely was not E177 I seen I have a photo, unless you took it to BC to be branded but reg plates don't match. I don't see why you can't just answer simple and be helpful.
I don't know if you'll still be on this forum by the end of the year if you keep going on like this...
What do you gain from arguing with Tony?? If he was driving E177 (with photographic evidence), what point are you possibly trying to make?
Quote from: mesub on February 01, 2024, 07:43:44 PMI don't know if you'll still be on this forum by the end of the year if you keep going on like this...
What do you gain from arguing with Tony?? If he was driving E177 (with photographic evidence), what point are you possibly trying to make?
I'm trying to ask a simple question, I'm not causing any harm. I have photographic evidence what is your point, some of you on this forum don't listen, im trying to ask a simple question let me explain it again.
So I seen a PLAIN 2 tone grey electric on the motorway, now im not a genius but the photo Tony put in the forum not long ago had RED branding on it. So I asked did he take it to BC to get branded up because if not then it's NOT E177 clearly as it was unbranded.
Your not causing any harm yet you called tony a liar. On another thread 10 minutes ago you were told to stop filling the the threads with junk and stop bickering yet your still going on. Tony isn't going to answer you is he or he would have done so by now. You've being going on and on about this for hours now please give it a rest
Quote from: cris 99 on February 01, 2024, 08:48:18 PMYou're not causing any harm yet you called tony a liar. On another thread 10 minutes ago you were told to stop filling the the threads with junk and stop bickering yet you're still going on. Tony isn't going to answer you is he or he would have done so by now. You've being going on and on about this for hours now please give it a rest
That's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
QuoteThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
Tony banned you from this fourm before, and now your back destroying the peace again
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 09:16:21 PMThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
Perhaps you saw a brand new delivery or an unbranded electric being moved between garages. Either way, E177 was branded since at least yesterday, maybe earlier.
E177 was branded up at BC and taken to Wolverhampton today as in the photo taken in Birmingham
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 01, 2024, 09:39:44 PMPerhaps you saw a brand new delivery or an unbranded electric being moved between garages. Either way, E177 was branded since at least yesterday, maybe earlier.
THANKYOUUUUUUU!!!! Omg you have just proved a point, so
@Tony what was the electric you took down the M6 today which was unbranded.
I'm pretty sure he took E177 to Wolverhampton and brought back an unbranded one E174 to BC
Quote from: cris 99 on February 01, 2024, 09:57:20 PMI'm pretty sure he took E177 to Wolverhampton and brought back an unbranded one E174 to BC
Thankyou, we got there in the end I only asked a simple question I didn't want to cause all this, I knew it wasent E177 I seen that's all I didn't mean anything bad.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 09:16:21 PMThat's not causing harm, anyway all I want to know was E177 taken off the M6 to BC and then branded up? As when I seen it it was unbranded.
@ Wba_lad - yes it is causing harm, because numerous members are getting fed up with your frequent bickering, the amount of posts you make per day, admins are getting regular complaints & now you're suggesting Tony's not telling the truth (this won't do you any favours...)
Fyi - Tony doesn't have to tell you anything at all.
Quote from: winston on February 01, 2024, 10:33:43 PM@ Wba_lad - yes it is causing harm, because numerous members are getting fed up with your frequent bickering, the amount of posts you make per day, admins are getting regular complaints & now you're suggesting Tony's not telling the truth (this won't do you any favours...)
Fyi - Tony doesn't have to tell you anything at all.
I didn't mean to cause any harm, I asked a simple question and it's frustrating when I know what I saw and I'm being called a liar. I'll try and stop bickering, i thought i was allowed to post as much as i wanted as long as it's in the correct thread is this not correct?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 01, 2024, 10:44:04 PMI didn't mean to cause any harm, I asked a simple question and it's frustrating when I know what I saw and I'm being called a liar. I'll try and stop bickering, i thought i was allowed to post as much as i wanted as long as it's in the correct thread is this not correct?
Why do you feel the need to know what every bus is doing, when, where & why? Its no ones business but NX's.
There's posting what you want & there's posting for the sake of it, waffling & posting things without checking your facts first.
I think you need to remind yourself of the forum rules.
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2024, 08:51:40 PMOn the red livery which you claim you didn't see
@Tony I'd like to apologise! I've just seen E167 again at Scott Arms today heading towards West Brom I think, or atleast it turned on to Newton Road. And yes, there is a lot of red on it so I stand corrected.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on February 02, 2024, 07:50:27 AM@Tony I'd like to apologise! I've just seen E167 again at Scott Arms today heading towards West Brom I think, or atleast it turned on to Newton Road. And yes, there is a lot of red on it so I stand corrected.
Thank you.
Yesterday the original query was a branded bus at Great Barr, then Motorway, the branded bus, and the only one I drove through Great Barr on the motorway was E177 (J6-J11). E174 which was obviously the second one seen was driven to Birmingham down Walsall Road, not the M6
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 08:35:29 AMThank you.
Yesterday the original query was a branded bus at Great Barr, then Motorway, the branded bus, and the only one I drove through Great Barr on the motorway was E177 (J6-J11). E174 which was obviously the second one seen was driven to Birmingham down Walsall Road, not the M6
I appologise for accusing you of lying, the way I worded it was not that you wasent driving it, I ment it was not the one I seen, hopefully you understand what I mean and didn't mean to annoy you yesterday, I was just getting irritated as the one I seen was unbranded. Again I apologise
Current Locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E176 |
| E167 | E174 | E168 | E169 | E178 |
| E170 | E181 | E171 | E177 | E199 |
| E189 | E173 | E179 | E201 |
| E191 | E175 | E180 | E204 |
| E196 | E185 | E182 | E209 |
| E198 | E188 | E183 | E210 |
| E205 | E200 | E184 | E216 |
| E206 | E202 | E186 | E217 |
| E213 | E203 | E187 | |
| | E212 | E190 | |
| | | E192 | |
| | | E193 | |
| | | E194 | |
| | | E195 | |
| | | E197 | |
| | | E207 | |
| | | E208 | |
| | | E211 | |
| | | E214 | |
| | | E215 | |
Is there any possibility that any of the ten Electrics which have been taxed will enter service before March?
I'm guessing that E174-E217 will be re-registered as 24 plates along with E218-E243, which judging by Flickr photos appear to be ready to be delivered.
And then there's E244-E333 to follow of course.
Quote from: cardew on February 14, 2024, 07:52:39 PMIs there any possibility that any of the ten Electrics which have been taxed will enter service before March?
I'm guessing that E174-E217 will be re-registered as 24 plates along with E218-E243, which judging by Flickr photos appear to be ready to be delivered.
And then there's E244-E333 to follow of course.
According to a post I saw elsewhere, which I can't find now, it was claimed that they wouldn't be used in service until March.
Vehicles would need to be taxed anyway, even if they're just shuffling to and from BC where I presume they're getting livery applied and equipment installed. As well as those being utilised for driver type-training.
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2024, 08:01:52 PMAccording to a post I saw elsewhere, which I can't find now, it was claimed that they wouldn't be used in service until March.
Vehicles would need to be taxed anyway, even if they're just shuffling to and from BC where I presume they're getting livery applied and equipment installed. As well as those being utilised for driver type-training.
Only E164-E173 are taxed, I have to move all the others around on Trade Plates
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2024, 08:24:13 PMOnly E164-E173 are taxed, I have to move all the others around on Trade Plates
Ah thanks, good to know that!
Why don't you put the 10 taxed ones into YW and move 10 of their diesel's out as a temporary measure to ease the DD shortage
Quote from: Mayfield on February 15, 2024, 09:01:00 AMWhy don't you put the 10 taxed ones into YW and move 10 of their diesel's out as a temporary measure to ease the DD shortage
And where are we going to charge them?
Why are they taxed if the 10 new electric buses can't be charged I know YW has charges for the ones on the 6 but not enough for the new ones
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2024, 10:05:20 AMAnd where are we going to charge them?
Yes exactly, it's amazing where some of these ideas come from, if it was as easy as that it would of been done long before now!
Quote from: Solo1 on February 15, 2024, 10:16:11 AMWhy are they taxed if the 10 new electric buses can't be charged I know YW has charges for the ones on the 6 but not enough for the new ones
If you haven't noticed, two are in use for driver training, that is why they are taxed, bit difficult without taxing them
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2024, 03:34:51 PMIf you haven't noticed, two are in use for driver training, that is why they are taxed, bit difficult without taxing them
I know 2 r for training but someone said 10 are taxed unless all are used for training
well,they might have taxed 10 for a few reasons, but if theres 2 garages that will be receiving them onto fleet, while the charging situation is sorted at least they will always have one charged enough to train the substantial amount of drivers across the 2 garages. The thing could be they are staggering the tax out so they are not all due the same time which could possibly help the purse.
Was on my driving lesson and seen a electric bus FXE I think last three letters of the reg was with Tony driving what one was this please?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 22, 2024, 12:01:40 PMWas on my driving lesson and seen a electric bus FXE I think last three letters of the reg was with Tony driving what one was this please?
There is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Quote from: winston on February 22, 2024, 12:06:52 PMThere is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Maybe it was FKE I can't remember I just know I seen one with Tony driving I was on my driving lesson.
Quote from: winston on February 22, 2024, 12:06:52 PMThere is no FXE, there's an FKE, all registrations are below on the main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html
Yes, E209 I have just taken to BC to have the livery put on tomorrow
@Tony - couple of questions please..........
Are there any specification tweaks to the latest batch of electrics in either the electric motors/drivetrain or interiors, gleaned from the inaugral batches that are 4ish years old?
Have there been any efficiency gains on the X1 being a longer/interurban higher speed run compared to the stop/start of other routes?
Thanks, in advance!
Quote from: Wumpty on February 22, 2024, 05:08:19 PM@Tony - couple of questions please..........
Are there any specification tweaks to the latest batch of electrics in either the electric motors/drivetrain or interiors, gleaned from the inaugral batches that are 4ish years old?
Have there been any efficiency gains on the X1 being a longer/interurban higher speed run compared to the stop/start of other routes?
Thanks, in advance!
These are almost identical to E034-E163, a couple of very minor changes include the shape of the CCTV screens. What also seems strange is some of the current batch have red LED trim lights in the saloon, the same as the last batch, but others have green. I am not sure if that is deliberate or an error by A-D
Saw E191 on Moor Street yesterday I presume driven by Tony at 12:40
I am happy to stand corrected here however I spoke to a driver today who said that the 35 is due to go electric from April. I was slightly sceptical because the 35 hasn't had brand new buses in my lifetime at least and then now I've seen on the TfWM website that the 35 is having its timetable updated on 6th April so it might in fact be true...
Quote from: bususer28 on February 24, 2024, 09:35:21 PMI am happy to stand corrected here however I spoke to a driver today who said that the 35 is due to go electric from April. I was slightly sceptical because the 35 hasn't had brand new buses in my lifetime at least and then now I've seen on the TfWM website that the 35 is having its timetable updated on 6th April so it might in fact be true...
Won't be April
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2024, 10:02:13 PMWon't be April
A YW told me back in November that the routes going Electric are going to be 2, 3 and 18, I asked him about the 50 and he said that "the 50 was too intense to full time Electric".
I took all this with a pinch of salt, or maybe a bowl full !
I didn't know where to ask these questions but I thought here would be suitable. If it's not I do apologise. I've seen some photos of electrics at ADL I think it is. They are in two tone grey and have vaults fitted. Is this something ADL provide or do Nx have to send them the vaults. And do ADL paint them for companies? I'm hoping somone can help presumably
@Tony will.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 28, 2024, 06:48:10 PMI didn't know where to ask these questions but I thought here would be suitable. If it's not I do apologise. I've seen some photos of electrics at ADL I think it is. They are in two tone grey and have vaults fitted. Is this something ADL provide or do Nx have to send them the vaults. And do ADL paint them for companies? I'm hoping somone can help presumably @Tony will.
They're painted at ADL and the vaults are supplied by NX. They get refurbished after each use. Some of these will go back decades.
while walking around coventry earlier i decided to see what was parked in the depots and in cox street car park was E004, E017, E018 and Z4008.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Interesting wonder if there's a plan to cover cv if anything happens that requires the stoppage of use of them
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
What are trying to achieve with this ?
There have been other comments (most of them irrelevant about this subject and unsubstantiated) about electric buses on this forum, please think again and do some research before you post things like this.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
id imagine same as cars that a recall will be issued, and advice or instructions issued as to what action needs to done until they find a solution and can deal with the vehicles. If you read the article its linked to a fault that involved the hvac system, and its been requested that the hvac system is turned off when vehicles are not in use.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on March 03, 2024, 02:12:09 PMInteresting wonder if there's a plan to cover cv if anything happens that requires the stoppage of use of them
If you read the article, it says that the buses are safe to use, but the HVAC system should be turned off when the vehicle is not in use as a precaution, until a permanent solution can be applied.
It is typical of the Daily Mail though to 'over-egg' the seriousness of this. :undecided:
In short: a potential issue with the HVAC (heating, ventilation and air-conditioning) system has been identified which could cause a fire risk.
Nothing to do with the battery or electric drivetrain.
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2024, 02:46:15 PMIf you read the article, it says that the buses are safe to use, but the HVAC system should be turned off when the vehicle is not in use as a precaution, until a permanent solution can be applied.
It is typical of the Daily Mail though to 'over-egg' the seriousness of this. :undecided:
In short: a potential issue with the HVAC (heating, ventilation and air-conditioning) system has been identified which could cause a fire risk.
Nothing to do with the battery or electric drivetrain.
Lets hope there are no more of this.
https://www.check-vehicle-recalls.service.gov.uk/recall-type/vehicle/make/ALEXANDER%20DENNIS/model/BYD%20AD%20ENVIRO400/year/2024/recalls
I am certain all operators have actioned the tasks in the alert by now hopefully. I do recall a DVSA alert relating to emission traps retrofitted on older vehicles. Either way, the Daily Fail are at it again with their fearmongering clickbait titles.
E218 upwards will arrive with a mod already done, hence the gap in new deliveries. When I am driving E164-E217 around at the moment I just leave the HVAC off to save messing with them all the time.
The ones in service are turned of when they arrive in garage after service, and then turned on again before leaving the garage, It is just one switch under one of the opening traps on the rear of the vehicles.
The HVAC was blamed for the Putney garage fire on the E200 hence this decision until the permanent solution was found.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 03, 2024, 02:13:14 PMWhat are trying to achieve with this ?
There have been other comments (most of them irrelevant about this subject and unsubstantiated) about electric buses on this forum, please think again and do some research before you post things like this.
He's posting a link to press article about electric buses in a thread about electric buses on a forum to discuss buses. I doubt he's trying to achieve anything and don't see why he needs to do any research before posting? The purpose of a forum is for informative and hopefully lively debate, so regardless of what I think of the article and the quality of the source of it, I find it interesting to read and discuss. It's getting to the point where people are criticised for posting just about anything.
I guess this is why the electrics aren't running on the X1 overnight then...
(or at least one of the reasons)
Quote from: mesub on March 03, 2024, 07:08:52 PMI guess this is why the electrics aren't running on the X1 overnight then...
(or at least one of the reasons)
It might be, but then again I wouldn't have thought that vehicle was being left 'unattended' anywhere.
Quote from: Mike K on March 03, 2024, 05:15:41 PMHe's posting a link to press article about electric buses in a thread about electric buses on a forum to discuss buses. I doubt he's trying to achieve anything and don't see why he needs to do any research before posting? The purpose of a forum is for informative and hopefully lively debate, so regardless of what I think of the article and the quality of the source of it, I find it interesting to read and discuss. It's getting to the point where people are criticised for posting just about anything.
Thanks. That's all I was doing, pointing out an OTT newspaper article.
Isn't the issue mainly with other electric types? I haven't heard a single issue with the BYD E400EVs?
I'm not sure if this question has been asked before. How long should it take to charge a battery from flat to fully charged?
Quote from: Jay71 on March 04, 2024, 06:51:06 PMI'm not sure if this question has been asked before. How long should it take to charge a battery from flat to fully charged?
There is no fixed time, different chargers charge at different rates
might be a dumb question but do you know the quickest and slowest charge, or the quickest and slowest charge youve seen?
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2024, 07:15:00 PMThere is no fixed time, different chargers charge at different rates
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
According to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 12:37:31 PMAccording to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
Are any of the national express ones affected by this recall does anyone know?
Quote from: Wba_lad on March 10, 2024, 01:51:47 PMAre any of the national express ones affected by this recall does anyone know?
iirc tony said something about turning off the system when transporting some of the new electrics, dont know if that counts as an answer to your question though. if my memory serves he said like half of the new electrics are affected, pinch of salt though.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 12:37:31 PMAccording to this article in Coach & Bus Week, its only 105 vehicles affected by this issue:
https://cbwmagazine.com/hvac-fault-leads-to-recall-for-byd-adl-enviros/
in the meantime the fake story about 2000 buses needing a recall from an anti net-zero paper will have had countless views on facebook. Depressing.
Quote from: cardew on March 10, 2024, 08:09:20 PMin the meantime the fake story about 2000 buses needing a recall from an anti net-zero paper will have had countless views on facebook. Depressing.
As always with the Daily Mail one has to read very carefully. Right at the end of the article it states the number of vehicles recalled correctly - after having raised incorrectly the spectre of the entire national fleet of ADL/BYD buses being faulty. Of course, that doesn't match their desired narrative of slagging off environmental activities and talking up the continuing use of fossil fuels.
Quote from: suavegarv on March 03, 2024, 01:43:41 PMhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13141825/Britains-e-bus-ticking-timebomb-nearly-TWO-THOUSAND-electric-buses-worth-800m-face-urgent-recall-fears-burst-flames.html
Just come across this.
Saw the red flags as soon as I saw daily mail in the hyperlink
So YW are receiving electrics this year then?
'Around 105 Alexander Dennis Enviro200 and Enviro400 buses have been affected by a recall concerning low-voltage systems which form part of the heating and air-conditioning system. The recall notice issued by the DVSA states that 'the low voltage harness connector of the control module may experience fatigue if subjected to excessive mating cycles leading to a localised thermal incident'. Well, if I were subjected to excessive mating cycles I'd be fatigued... :azn:
There was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Just seen E199 outside moor street while on the 97 with Tony driving.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Iirc Tony mentioned that there was another demo due to visit but not sure where
Just seen E165 on snow hill Queensway.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Not with NX
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 13, 2024, 01:58:18 AMThere was an electric Volvo demo single decker on the Duncan Edwards by pass earlier. Is nx trialing this?
Currently at Hartshorne Pensnett.
@Tony have NX seen any gradual loss of battery hold in the first generation electrics (E001+) against the new generation?
We've got a small fleet of electric vehicles and have seen a 5% loss overall from 2021 to today on our 21 plates.
I'm led to believe that the new electrics at PB will not be route branded due to them going onto different routes on a working day.
Are we going to see route branding becoming a thing of the past ?
Speaking strictly as an enthusiast I can see it still being a thing, could bring back the circle above the door and then colour co ordinate the red stripe, so for example purple for the 8/X8 would look great. Depends which way NX want to go with it, on the other hand most bus users know what routes they use and tend to stick to the sake routes so is there a need for branding??
The way electric buses are scheduled means fewer buses are out all day on the same route. This is the reason for the lack of route branding in Coventry
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2024, 06:47:11 PMThe way electric buses are scheduled means fewer buses are out all day on the same route. This is the reason for the lack of route branding in Coventry
This is my point, I just think route branding's time has probably come and gone, if it was to continue I would suggest group branding eg
PB - Network Sutton - X3, X4, X5, X14 and 907
BC - Network Chelmsley - X12, X13, 14, 94, 95 and 97
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 18, 2024, 07:40:17 PMThis is my point, I just think route branding's time has probably come and gone, if it was to continue I would suggest group branding eg
Unless any of the grey repaints E400 and MMC receive new branding maybe, which will still be in service for several years at least.
Could we see a new version of the Soho Road branding on the E400s for instance once they are all in grey or branding on the BC ones.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 18, 2024, 05:12:23 PMI'm led to believe that the new electrics at PB will not be route branded due to them going onto different routes on a working day.
Are we going to see route branding becoming a thing of the past ?
Obviously high profile routes like the Sutton corridor,the 33 and selected others should have some branded in an ideal world.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 19, 2024, 03:24:33 PMObviously high profile routes like the Sutton corridor,the 33 and selected others should have some branded in an ideal world.
I agree, I think certain routes should be operated by branded vehicles but local routes such as the 3/4 in Wolverhampton perhaps not.
Current locations, more expected to arrive this week
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | | E177 |
| E170 | E196 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E179 |
| E203 | E175 | E197 | E192 | | E180 |
| E205 | E178 | E207 | E194 | | E181 |
| E217 | E185 | E210 | E199 | | E182 |
| E218 | E195 | E211 | E200 | | E183 |
| | E198 | E216 | E204 | | E186 |
| | E202 | | E213 | | E187 |
| | E208 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2024, 05:29:48 PMCurrent locations, more expected to arrive this week
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | | E177 |
| E170 | E196 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E179 |
| E203 | E175 | E197 | E192 | | E180 |
| E205 | E178 | E207 | E194 | | E181 |
| E217 | E185 | E210 | E199 | | E182 |
| E218 | E195 | E211 | E200 | | E183 |
| | E198 | E216 | E204 | | E186 |
| | E202 | | E213 | | E187 |
| | E208 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
Am I right in assuming that those highlighted in red have been liveried up, equipped, and ready for service?
I suppose the next question is the one everyone's dying to ask, any idea when these might start actually entering service?
I did see a comment elsewhere earlier this year that claimed we were looking at March for first entry into service, but I suspect it won't be until at least after Easter now.
Quote from: Stu on March 19, 2024, 07:20:04 PMAm I right in assuming that those highlighted in red have been liveried up, equipped, and ready for service?
I suppose the next question is the one everyone's dying to ask, any idea when these might start actually entering service?
I did see a comment elsewhere earlier this year that claimed we were looking at March for first entry into service, but I suspect it won't be until at least after Easter now.
Red is actually the ones with tracker fitted!
Current target date for PB is 27th May
Which service will see the electric buses on first when they come out & any update on the charges for YW
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 19, 2024, 03:32:41 PMI agree, I think certain routes should be operated by branded vehicles but local routes such as the 3/4 in Wolverhampton perhaps not.
If,at the time electric buses are allocated to Wolverhampton what they could do is have some branding bespoke for the City but not necessarily for any routes.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 20, 2024, 01:36:57 PMIf,at the time electric buses are allocated to Wolverhampton what they could do is have some branding bespoke for the City but not necessarily for any routes.
Whilst route branding works, I can't see any benefit from having generic Wolverhampton only branding.
Quote from: Gareth on March 20, 2024, 04:56:52 PMWhilst route branding works, I can't see any benefit from having generic Wolverhampton only branding.
They've had it on the fleetnames for the past few years!
Quote from: Westy on March 20, 2024, 09:04:30 PMThey've had it on the fleetnames for the past few years!
I didn't say they hadn't. My comment still stands.
I see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
QuoteI see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
Tony literally said it's being repaired at Walsall soon
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on March 25, 2024, 07:15:56 PMI see E062 has had a nasty shunt, front end badly damaged by the looks, platform appears to be pushed right back and not much left below the windscreen, from what ive seen......
ive seen less damage finish vehicles off, is this likely the end of E062
This has already been discussed in the Coventry garage thread, the bus is not being written-off and will have the front-end of the body rebuilt at Walsall by NX's in-house team.
Please use the forum search function!
sorry i only saw the video yesterday morning, and had no idea how old it was, i do apologize, and will now go away
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | Roberts |
| E165 | E172 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E201 | E174 |
| E167 | E176 | E168 | E173 | E184 | E204 | E175 |
| E170 | E213 | E171 | E191 | E189 | | E177 |
| E219 | E178 | E197 | E194 | | E179 |
| E220 | E195 | E205 | E196 | | E180 |
| E222 | E198 | E207 | E199 | | E181 |
| E223 | E218 | E208 | E200 | | E182 |
| E226 | E221 | E210 | E203 | | E183 |
| E230 | E224 | E211 | | | E185 |
| E231 | E225 | E216 | | | E186 |
| | E227 | | | | E187 |
| | | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | E217 |
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E213 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E176 | | E174 |
| E167 | E219 | E171 | E168 | E184 | E201 | | E175 |
| E170 | E220 | E178 | E172 | E189 | E204 | | E177 |
| E224 | E195 | E173 | E194 | | | E179 |
| E225 | E198 | E191 | E196 | | | E180 |
| E227 | E218 | E197 | E199 | | | E181 |
| E228 | E221 | E205 | E200 | | | E182 |
| E231 | E222 | E207 | E203 | | | E183 |
| E239 | E223 | E208 | | | | E185 |
| E240 | E226 | E210 | | | | E186 |
| | E230 | E211 | | | | E187 |
| | E235 | E216 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | | E217 |
I seen E235 arrive at Walsall today and E168 leave which is now at Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2024, 06:08:00 PMCurrent locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E213 | E166 | E164 | E169 | E176 | | E174 |
| E167 | E219 | E171 | E168 | E184 | E201 | | E175 |
| E170 | E220 | E178 | E172 | E189 | E204 | | E177 |
| E224 | E195 | E173 | E194 | | | E179 |
| E225 | E198 | E191 | E196 | | | E180 |
| E227 | E218 | E197 | E199 | | | E181 |
| E228 | E221 | E205 | E200 | | | E182 |
| E231 | E222 | E207 | E203 | | | E183 |
| E239 | E223 | E208 | | | | E185 |
| E240 | E226 | E210 | | | | E186 |
| | E230 | E211 | | | | E187 |
| | E235 | E216 | | | | E188 |
| | | | | | | E190 |
| | | | | | | E192 |
| | | | | | | E193 |
| | | | | | | E202 |
| | | | | | | E206 |
| | | | | | | E209 |
| | | | | | | E212 |
| | | | | | | E214 |
| | | | | | | E215 |
| | | | | | | E217 |
Just a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on April 05, 2024, 01:25:25 PMJust a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
If Hydrogen Buses are also ordered and ran I assume the Prefexs maybe be kept to designate E for Electric and H for Hydrogen although it could be that maybe as they get more Electric buses and they become the most common only Hydrogen keeps its prefex
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 05, 2024, 02:22:49 PMIf Hydrogen Buses are also ordered and ran I assume the Prefexs maybe be kept to designate E for Electric and H for Hydrogen although it could be that maybe as they get more Electric buses and they become the most common only Hydrogen keeps its prefex
It used to be that the numbers can't be reused. If this is still the case, certainly the solos carried 2XX 3XX numbers? So maybe why they have the prefix as well?
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.msg250387#msg250387
Quote from: 2206 on April 05, 2024, 02:50:53 PMIt used to be that the numbers can't be reused. If this is still the case, certainly the solos carried 2XX 3XX numbers? So maybe why they have the prefix as well?
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.msg250387#msg250387
The prefix is for exactly that reason. The current engineering system doesn't allow for number reuse.
Also certain on board systems can't cope with letters, so all current fleet have to have different numbers excluding the letter, hence why the Hydrogens start at H1001, not H001
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on April 05, 2024, 01:25:25 PMJust a little question, its something that struck me, in time (with Diesel Buses being phased out) will the E prefix be dropped or is it something we have to live with, a brief comparison would be as steam was Phased out D was for Diesel, E was for Electric in time with steam gone, both D & E were dropped, just a question no drama no criticism
'Pedant alert' - only the D was deleted and diesels affected from late 1968 after steam was removed - E remained otherwise there would have been overlaps in the 3001-3200 series and 5000 series. Of course, they all disappeared when the whole fleet was renumbered based on class types.
Apparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
No there isn't.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
You spelled 'year' wrong.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 13, 2024, 02:27:46 PMApparently there's 40 electrics coming in at the end of the month.
may 27th is mentioned in an earlier post
Quote from: 2900 on April 14, 2024, 10:42:55 AMmay 27th is mentioned in an earlier post
Still the target date for the first few
UID Electric travelling from WN towards M54 this morning driven by a devilishly handsome bloke!
Quote from: Wumpty on April 19, 2024, 03:33:15 PMUID Electric travelling from WN towards M54 this morning driven by a devilishly handsome bloke!
E236 now at Aston
Sorry if this has been asked previously but regarding any future new vehicle orders are NXWM likely to go for ADL's 2nd generation electric buses or will they stick with the ADL/BYD model?
Quote from: RW on April 24, 2024, 03:51:21 PMSorry if this has been asked previously but regarding any future new vehicle orders are NXWM likely to go for ADL's 2nd generation electric buses or will they stick with the ADL/BYD model?
The current NX and London General build are the last DD BYDs Alexander Dennis are going to body
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 03:53:30 PMThe current NX and London General build are the last DD BYDs Alexander Dennis are going to body
When you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
That's good to hear. The interior on the BYDs are very awkward, 39 seats upstairs for a 10.8m bus is a bit lack luster too.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 04:46:31 PMWhen you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
The current batch being delivered numbers 30.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 04:46:31 PMWhen you say current NX build, how many are in the order which will be ADL BYDs?
Up to fleet number E333
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 05:17:39 PMUp to fleet number E333
Thanks Tony. From your "Up to..." post I think we can assume what the answer to my question is.
Quote from: RW on April 24, 2024, 06:31:04 PMThanks Tony. From your "Up to..." post I think we can assume what the answer to my question is.
I put it that way because the current order is split into 4 different orders, so as Winston put the current batch is 30, but the total order of the final build goes up to E333, 170 vehicles E164-E333
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 05:17:39 PMUp to fleet number E333
Thanks - 170 in total then - it will be interesting to see what future orders will comprise - electric single deckers will presumably be needed for CV in 2025? Also to see which body builders might be providing single and double deck bodies on BYD chassis in the future.
Quote from: don on April 24, 2024, 06:57:47 PMThanks - 170 in total then - it will be interesting to see what future orders will comprise - electric single deckers will presumably be needed for CV in 2025? Also to see which body builders might be providing single and double deck bodies on BYD chassis in the future.
The next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Have you had the chance of driving another electric bus asides from the BYD ones and the electroliner? If so, what is your favourite electric bus so far?
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 24, 2024, 07:32:09 PMHave you had the chance of driving another electric bus asides from the BYD ones and the electroliner? If so, what is your favourite electric bus so far?
I've driven the Merc & Yutong singles as well.
The Electroliner is my favourite so far, but all four are really nice for the driver so very little in it.
Thanks for the reply. I've been seeing that the Electroliner is making waves across the UK, especially London. I really do hope that NX order big for this bus, it also seems to be good from a passenger perspective.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Thanks for the reply. When all these vehicles are in service, there will be a very large number of vehicles to be taken out of service.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
A cynic might suggest the announcement will be timed so it can be made by a victorious mayor.
I'm starting to bite my fingernails with excitement - will we get to 100 new vehicles awaiting entry into service? Should do. Is this some sort of a record? :cheesy:
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:13:40 PMThe next order, which is likely to start delivery later this year, that I cannot give details of yet, but it will not be BYD
Tease
QuoteThanks for the reply. I've been seeing that the Electroliner is making waves across the UK, especially London. I really do hope that NX order big for this bus, it also seems to be good from a passenger perspective
I realised first have alot of trust in this bus
Quote from: Stevo on April 25, 2024, 09:06:19 AMI'm starting to bite my fingernails with excitement - will we get to 100 new vehicles awaiting entry into service? Should do. Is this some sort of a record? :cheesy:
Quite possible, yes, they are being delivered at around 5 a week, and we have another 4 weeks before the first batch go into use
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2024, 12:17:03 PMQuite possible, yes, they are being delivered at around 5 a week, and we have another 4 weeks before the first batch go into use
Will it beat the SDA --- S/TVP ---S batches of fleetlines and nationals which added up to more than 220 buses in one registration year, not forgetting the 4 prototype metrobuses of course
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 25, 2024, 02:06:26 PMWill it beat the SDA --- S/TVP ---S batches of fleetlines and nationals which added up to more than 220 buses in one registration year, not forgetting the 4 prototype metrobuses of course
I doubt it - that was 279 buses in one reg year - 6501-70; 6611-60; 6691-720; 6745-60; 6831-4; 6836-6905. IIRC this was caused by more than one factor - a) Met Camm being given 70 of Park Royal's order for Fleetlines because Park Royal was so slow (took reg P to T to deliver 120 vehicles) - b) WMPTE building up a surplus of vehicles so they could provide the shuttle bus contract from car parks to the NEC during the Motor Show. A massive amount of withdrawals look place the next year.
I'm guessing the full batch of 170 new electrics will replace many of the double deck fleet to 6718 (and all the non Euro 6 buses) and many of the Scanias also.
There will probably still be some 2009/10 Scanias lingering around after this batch of electrics. Hopefully NX don't eat into the 2007 Enviro 400s with this batch, they are still doing very well.
The first 40 expected to enter service at Perry Barr are E164-73/6/8/84/9/91/4-201/3-5/7/8/10/1/5/8-24/6/7.
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2024, 06:51:45 PMThe first 40 expected to enter service at Perry Barr are E164-73/6/8/84/9/91/4-201/3-5/7/8/10/1/5/8-24/6/7.
So when are the Enviros getting debranded?
Quote from: busboy31 on April 25, 2024, 07:38:23 PMSo when are the Enviros getting debranded?
When they move on.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 25, 2024, 05:45:51 PMThere will probably still be some 2009/10 Scanias lingering around after this batch of electrics. Hopefully NX don't eat into the 2007 Enviro 400s with this batch, they are still doing very well.
Well assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 26, 2024, 10:34:05 AMWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
YW is going fully electric with the double deck fleet
QuoteWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Or wait until til June when cascades happen? There probably a plan being planned out as the electrics drop into place.
Quote from: filbus1 on April 26, 2024, 12:30:55 PMYW is going fully electric with the double deck fleet
I don't think there's enough buses on order to fully upgrade YW's double-decks as well as PB's. Not this year anyway.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on April 26, 2024, 01:40:53 PMOr wait until til June when cascades happen? There probably a plan being planned out as the electrics drop into place.
Yes, from June onwards will be interesting times for sure. And I'm sure there is already a plan that Tony has in place, though obviously he won't be able to divulge details here.
Personally, I would expect the Scania OmniCities to be scrapped or sold on, as there would be little point in moving them on to another garage and having to type-train drivers and engineers.
The Platinum E400s will likely be used to replace older non-Euro6 vehicles at West Brom and Acocks Green, and then of course the other E400s will find homes elsewhere, just not at AG.
QuoteWell assumingly the Black Country Garages will keep there Scania's at first WA and WB. WA need Scania's for some routes although I could imagine B7RLE's will move there to release the Scania's and WB might gain E200MMC's to replace it's Scania's as for the Early Envrio's WA, WB and maybe WN or PN could have them. WA could do with them depending on the Hydrogens to try and make the City Routes Double Decker plus maybe the 10, 6 which has a mixture and 7 Double Decker 10 always seems busy when I've caught it. Apart from that PB will loose E400's that are younger that could go to WA, WB could use them to replace the Gemini's and WN the Tridents it has left or maybe they go to AG or YW to replace Tridents there that aren't Euro 6 as WN's Tridents are Euro 6 and WB's Gemini's apart from 4506-4523/25 (tel:4506-4523/25) I think and 4679 aren't Euro 6
Pretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
Quote from: BBS on April 26, 2024, 09:05:20 PMPretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
Be interesting to see how E200MMC's would fit round some of Walsall's routes! I think the Urban 2's still at Coventry will be placed at a few garages to see off Omnilinks.
Quote from: BBS on April 26, 2024, 09:05:20 PMPretty much all of this won't happen, tridents can't go to AG, E200mmcs aren't enough for WA, they'll need to get AGs ones too which don't seem like their moving anytime soon
I said E200MMC at WB B7RLE's at WA as they already operate them and maybe some E200's from Coventry to both. WB operate the E200MMC already so I was keeping them together
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 27, 2024, 10:06:52 AMI said E200MMC at WB B7RLE's at WA as they already operate them and maybe some E200's from Coventry to both. WB operate the E200MMC already so I was keeping them together
Pretty pointless trying to guess, it's my job and I don't know yet
re: E200MMC, is it still the case that they can't be used on the YW27? They were briefly used but but clearly had an issue and possibly one of the reasons they were transferred to WB. The route has been curtailed since then so maybe things have changed?. As has been mentioned before, it will be tricky to find a single deck electric bus to fit under Bournville Lane bridge
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2024, 11:51:30 AMPretty pointless trying to guess, it's my job and I don't know yet
Depends if you want to introduce a completly new type to a garage or not surely, then you have the issue of driver training/familiarisation as well?
What services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on
Here's a clue, all of Perry Barr's diesel double-decks are being replaced. :laugh:
The route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
Absolutely correct. Kev's run short length E200s down Mary Vale and I have seen the very occasional double decker use it in the past (can't recall which operator this was). The junction with Pershore Road is very tight, probably too tight for a full length single decker to manage and I have seen the 27 take a lengthy diversion via Cotteridge when there are road works along Bournville Lane. A bit of a dilemma.
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2024, 07:45:20 PMI've driven the Merc & Yutong singles as well.
The Electroliner is my favourite so far, but all four are really nice for the driver so very little in it.
Could national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
QuoteCould national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
Why ask if you know that's something he can't give out?
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
I have mentioned this before earlier in this thread about how eventually the 27 will have to be rerouted, as any electric single-deck will not be able to fit under that bridge.
However no OmniLinks have been replaced yet.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 27, 2024, 07:15:40 PMCould national express potentially ever see electoliners in the fleet, or is it highly unlikely. Sorry if this is something you cannot give out.
Potentially, yes. Highly unlikely, maybe.
Either way you won't get a straight answer out of Tony when he is unable to do so.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
It's not 'only 40' coming out, it's just the first 40.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 27, 2024, 01:05:49 PMWhat services will see the new electric buses be going on first as I make it 62 deckers for service - 40 new buses I know the deckers are been replaced i was asking as only 40 new electric buses coming out leaving 12 diesel busesso what will they end up on
62-40=12?
Just out If interest how long does it take to fully charge an electric and does it last a full day or do the buses have to pop off service for a refill, ans could we see top up facilities at terminus's, I remember when Decorcey had a fleet of electric Versas for the P&R and there were charging facilities at Memorial park.
Sorry22 diesel deckers at Perry Barr after the first 40 electric buses enter service
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:30:00 PMSorry22 diesel deckers at Perry Barr after the first 40 electric buses enter service
Except the first 40 are unlikely to replace all double decks.
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2024, 04:38:32 PMExcept the first 40 are unlikely to replace all double decks.
I was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:01 PMI was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
Why do people have to know everything in advance, why can't people just wait until they enter service.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 04:43:01 PMI was asking which of the services at Perry Barr that currently uses deckers will have the new electric buses on to start with
And I have posted in various places - all of them!
Quote from: danny on April 28, 2024, 04:13:49 PMJust out If interest how long does it take to fully charge an electric and does it last a full day or do the buses have to pop off service for a refill, ans could we see top up facilities at terminus's, I remember when Decorcey had a fleet of electric Versas for the P&R and there were charging facilities at Memorial park.
While I don't know how long they take to charge, I do know they have a split in the boards that run over 15(?) hours, so E223 for example will be in service for the first half and it will be replaced at some point in the day by another vehicle.
Quote from: Danthebusman on April 28, 2024, 05:55:46 PMWhile I don't know how long they take to charge, I do know they have a split in the boards that run over 15(?) hours, so E223 for example will be in service for the first half and it will be replaced at some point in the day by another vehicle.
No that's not how it works. The running boards are changed to match the type of vehicles
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2024, 05:28:26 PMAnd I have posted in various places - all of them
I've seen what buses have arrived but I was asking what routes that's uses deckers will the new buses be on to start with as don't recall seeing that
Quote from: Solo1 on April 28, 2024, 06:09:10 PMI've seen what buses have arrived but I was asking what routes that's uses deckers will the new buses be on to start with as don't recall seeing that
I've just posted the answer again -
all of them. How many more times
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 27, 2024, 02:41:04 PMThe route 27 will have a bit of an issue in the coming years. The bridge at Bourneville station is a triange 9' 9, in which a 10' 6(?) Omnilink can fit under nicely. However, since Omnilinks are getting replaced relatively fast (presumably all withdrawn by late-2025 ) and all new electrics seem to be too tall for that bridge. It may require a re-routing of that portion of the 27 because the adjacent Mary Vale Rd looks to be too impractical for any NX bus.
I think there are limited options to re-route the 27. Mary Vale Rd is definitely too narrow between Pershore Rd and the bridge over the railway line/canal (Kev's 55 struggles to get through at times) and a previous proposal back in 2009 to use Umberslade/Raddlebarn/Sycamore Rd met with protests from residents so was never pursued (the area round by Bournville green is far busier now than it was back then anyway).
Quote from: SO6597 on April 29, 2024, 08:48:02 PMI think there are limited options to re-route the 27. Mary Vale Rd is definitely too narrow between Pershore Rd and the bridge over the railway line/canal (Kev's 55 struggles to get through at times) and a previous proposal back in 2009 to use Umberslade/Raddlebarn/Sycamore Rd met with protests from residents so was never pursued (the area round by Bournville green is far busier now than it was back then anyway).
Agreed. That turn from Umberslade Road into Raddlebarn Road (and vice versa) would also be a real challenge these days in a full-sized single deck with parking as it is. Re-routing the 27 away from the Bournville Lane bridge would also mean it missing out on key stops such as Bournville Station / the Cadburys Bournville works stops.
E014 and E016, both in the 50.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 02, 2024, 04:39:35 PME014 and E016, both in the 50.
They (E400EVs, not just those particular two) often appear on most YW routes now (with the obvious exception of the 27 of course).
E244 seen in town dropping a few staff off.
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 07, 2024, 05:00:58 PME244 seen in town dropping a few staff off.
Probably on staff familiarisation and type training too.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 07, 2024, 06:19:46 PMProbably on staff familiarisation and type training too.
No, just me taking it to Walsall giving some drivers a lift to relief point on the way
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2024, 06:36:55 PMNo, just me taking it to Walsall giving some drivers a lift to relief point on the way
Ah i see. I appologise.
There will be even more electric bus movements from tomorrow to watch out for. Perry Barr are starting the 5 weekly inspections on them doing 3 a day ready to enter service at the end of the month, but because there's not enough room for more than 5 electrics at PB until they enter service these 3 a day are going to be coming and going between there and the current parking spots.
E225 is now at Perry Barr to be the first one inspected tomorrow and when that one gets swapped mid morning it will be the first one carrying a '24' plate.
Current locations are:-
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts |
| E165 | E231 | E166 | E164 | E229 | E196 | E176 | E174 |
| E167 | E232 | E171 | E168 | E236 | E198 | E191 | E175 |
| E170 | E245 | E218 | E169 | E237 | E199 | E219 | E177 |
| E225 | E246 | E220 | E172 | E238 | E200 | E223 | E179 |
| E248 | E221 | E173 | E239 | E201 | E224 | E180 |
| E253 | E222 | E178 | E240 | E203 | E226 | E181 |
| E256 | E235 | E184 | E241 | E204 | E227 | E182 |
| E258 | E244 | E189 | E243 | E213 | E230 | E183 |
| E260 | E247 | E194 | | | | E185 |
| E261 | E249 | E195 | | | | E186 |
| E262 | E250 | E197 | | | | E187 |
| | E254 | E205 | | | | E188 |
| | E257 | E207 | | | | E190 |
| | | E208 | | | | E192 |
| | | E210 | | | | E193 |
| | | E211 | | | | E202 |
| | | E216 | | | | E206 |
| | | E228 | | | | E209 |
| | | E242 | | | | E212 |
| | | E251 | | | | E214 |
| | | E252 | | | | E215 |
| | | E255 | | | | E217 |
| | | E256 | | | | |
What routes will they be on please.
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 09:47:08 PMWhat routes will they be on please.
every route at PB that is double deck
Quote from: EK40 on May 08, 2024, 09:54:26 PMevery route at PB that is double deck
See answer 647 along with several others
Quote from: EK40 on May 08, 2024, 09:54:26 PMevery route at PB that is double deck
Hearing 8s too...
Does that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 11:05:35 PMDoes that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
They can't run on the 28 because of the 14' 0" bridge in Erdington I think.
It's looking likely from early June the new electrics will be scheduled on to all of the following routes, obviously not all buses on each route:
7, 16, 33, 52, 65, 67, 101, 907, X3, X4, X5 & X14
What about the 8a and 8c
Quote from: 0.5% on May 09, 2024, 09:21:07 PMWhat about the 8a and 8c
No, the first 42 are going on the routes listed
Why is everyone so obsessed with the 8 being double deckers lately?
Sorry it's off topic.
Quote from: Jack on May 09, 2024, 10:49:27 PMWhy is everyone so obsessed with the 8 being double deckers lately?
Sorry it's off topic.
I would guess if the 8 does go double deck it won't be until all duble decks are electric at PB. As someone said the scanias are going to be the last diesel deckers at PB and they can't go under the bridge.
First 24 registrations at last!
Quote from: Stevo on May 10, 2024, 08:26:50 AMFirst 24 registrations at last!
42 are so far registered, 10 with 73 plates and 32 with 24 plates
Quote from: 0.5% on May 08, 2024, 11:05:35 PMDoes that include fort dunlop route, and also if the 8 has them will the 28?
There is a low bridge on the 28 so can't go on there
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2024, 08:55:19 AM42 are so far registered, 10 with 73 plates and 32 with 24 plates
Enough to replace all the non Euro 6 vehicles?
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 05:48:55 PMEnough to replace all the non Euro 6 vehicles?
Yes, but won't happen
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2024, 06:01:35 PMYes, but won't happen
Yes I was thinking there may be some spares kept whilst the electrics 'bed in' and in any case you might cover any elderly Euro 6 double deckers or Scania (single deck) which might fall by the wayside with major and costly faults, like 4600 did recently.
I shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 06:44:31 PMYes I was thinking there may be some spares kept whilst the electrics 'bed in' and in any case you might cover any elderly Euro 6 double deckers or Scania (single deck) which might fall by the wayside with major and costly faults, like 4600 did recently.
I shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
i bet the non euro 6 ones, and when their time is due any good euro 6 converted geminis and tridents may follow some of the already sold on ones.
Quote from: don on May 10, 2024, 06:44:31 PMI shall be very interested to see how you deal with AG's allocation of non Euro 6 Geminis in the short term - although they don't necessarily need to replaced based on non B'ham city centre routes, I guess, if really necessary, there are enough Euro 6 ones at WB to move across if they get some more E400s (noting the next fleet number, leap frogging the 5 Omnidekkas is 4799).....
Anyway, a very interesting period, fleet wise approaches!!
There aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Quote from: Stu on May 11, 2024, 10:06:27 AMThere aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Yeah sorry, I meant the Omnicities.
I agree re the Platinums. However I also wonder if they won't go straight to electrics in the next couple of years - just have to be patient and wait and see!
I wouldn't be surprised if AG gets some platinums to make the 4/A double decker moving some of the e200mmc to West Bromwich. But that's all speculation.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 11, 2024, 04:58:49 PMI wouldn't be surprised if AG gets some platinums to make the 4/A double decker moving some of the e200mmc to West Bromwich. But that's all speculation.
The priority at AG is going to be getting rid of the older non-Euro6 Geminis, before they even think about moving out their E200s.
@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
Quote from: Stu on May 12, 2024, 09:53:16 AM@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
Some (actually a lot) of the comments were unsubstantiated rubbish, these new Electric buses are the future, they are comfortable, quite and fairly quick. When the Platinums arrived they were the most impressive buses since the Timesaver metrobuses from 1986. For me the new Electrics are even better. The only problem with them is their seating capacity is a bit low at 65 which is 8 less than a Platinum and 12 less than an Enviro, the main daytime will be fine, but peaks may struggle, buses going towards Perry Barr are carrying more than a year ago. I hoping than come September there will be peak frequency increases on the 33 and 907. If passenger numbers are increasing the last thing we need is them been put off by packed buses especially with Parker on the prowl.
Quote from: Stu on May 12, 2024, 09:53:16 AM@Tony that article I posted on my Facebook page yesterday has definitely attracted a lot of negative/ignorant comments for some reason!
It's so common on Facebook to see all of these low functioning doom and gloom people commenting nonsense about electric buses blowing up. They are everywhere and have nothing better to do. Your article was amazing, don't let them hinder your work.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 12, 2024, 10:12:07 AMSome (actually a lot) of the comments were unsubstantiated rubbish, these new Electric buses are the future, they are comfortable, quite and fairly quick. When the Platinums arrived they were the most impressive buses since the Timesaver metrobuses from 1986. For me the new Electrics are even better. The only problem with them is their seating capacity is a bit low at 65 which is 8 less than a Platinum and 12 less than an Enviro, the main daytime will be fine, but peaks may struggle, buses going towards Perry Barr are carrying more than a year ago. I hoping than come September there will be peak frequency increases on the 33 and 907. If passenger numbers are increasing the last thing we need is them been put off by packed buses especially with Parker on the prowl.
The Platinums are probably some of the most uninspiring buses ever conceived.
Current locations
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN | Aston | MS | Roberts | ADL |
| E165 | E245 | E166 | E168 | E229 | E164 | E176 | E174 | E231 |
| E167 | E248 | E171 | E172 | E236 | E198 | E196 | E175 | |
| E169 | E251 | E218 | E173 | E242 | E200 | E219 | E177 | |
| E170 | E253 | E220 | E178 | E238 | E201 | E223 | E179 | |
| E191 | E257 | E221 | E184 | E239 | E203 | E224 | E180 | |
| E199 | E258 | E222 | E189 | E240 | E204 | E226 | E181 | |
| E230 | E261 | E244 | E194 | E241 | E213 | E227 | E182 | |
| E262 | E246 | E195 | E243 | E225 | E232 | E183 | |
| | E247 | E197 | | | E260 | E185 | |
| | E249 | E205 | | | | E186 | |
| | E250 | E207 | | | | E187 | |
| | E254 | E208 | | | | E188 | |
| | E256 | E210 | | | | E190 | |
| | | E211 | | | | E192 | |
| | | E216 | | | | E193 | |
| | | E228 | | | | E202 | |
| | | E235 | | | | E206 | |
| | | E237 | | | | E209 | |
| | | E252 | | | | E212 | |
| | | E255 | | | | E214 | |
| | | | | | | E215 | |
| | | | | | | E217 | |
Quote from: Straightlines on May 12, 2024, 05:21:41 PMThe Platinums are probably some of the most uninspiring buses ever conceived.
Platinums were an upgrade over existing vehicles, boasting many new comfort features to attract new passengers. This has allowed the platinum spec to become standard for National Express fleet. What makes you think they are uninsipring?
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 12, 2024, 05:02:52 PMIt's so common on Facebook to see all of these low functioning doom and gloom people commenting nonsense about electric buses blowing up. They are everywhere and have nothing better to do. Your article was amazing, don't let them hinder your work.
Thanks, I don't do this for kudos or recognition, just to try and inform bus users about what is going on. I wouldn't say that article was 'amazing' though, just concise and to the point.
The Facebook post has definitely attracted the Daily Mail-reading anti-electric bus mob now though. What also disappoints me is how many people are commenting who clearly haven't read the article I wrote.
Here's some stats which are correct at the time of posting this.
The website article currently shows 491 views.
According to Facebook, that particular post has 22k impressions/reach, and 1.6k 'engagement'. While the link to the article only has 378 clicks.
So far only one person has actually commented on the website.
Quote from: Stu on May 11, 2024, 10:06:27 AMThere aren't any Omnidekkas, you must mean the Omnicities.
As AG has never operated Enviro400s, I would hazard a guess that they will end up with some of the Platinum E400MMCs to replace their non-Euro6 Geminis.
Maybe the drivers could adapt to using older e400s? They're kinda similar to e400mmcs
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 12, 2024, 05:38:26 PMPlatinums were an upgrade over existing vehicles, boasting many new comfort features to attract new passengers. This has allowed the platinum spec to become standard for National Express fleet. What makes you think they are uninsipring?
Because Straightlines has never has anything positive to say towards NX, constantly negative no matter what they do / don't do.
The Platinum's were high spec when first introduced back in 2015, and offered something different, the Platinum spec has since become standard.
I'm not keen on the latest standard livery I.e single grey, but that's been done to death.....
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on Yesterday at 11:42:21 AMMaybe the drivers could adapt to using older e400s? They're kinda similar to e400mmcs
They aren't, the three types NX use are all different cabs to each other. So would require more type training.
I've just seen an abellio London single dicker bus looks like a wrightbus vehicle (maybe a GB kite??) around AG, What's it doing around there nearly 100 miles away?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on Yesterday at 02:50:30 PMI've just seen an abellio London single dicker bus looks like a wrightbus vehicle (maybe a GB kite??) around AG, What's it doing around there nearly 100 miles away?
On delivery, they all call in Graysons at Tyseley