1847 has been tampered with youths opening the back of the bus and pressing the emergency stop then one of the youths got inside of the cab itslef and looked to try and drive without the engine running this is getting serious now someone gonna get hurt i have also informed NX and safer transport
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 25, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
1847 has been tampered with youths opening the back of the bus and pressing the emergency stop then one of the youths got inside of the cab itslef and looked to try and drive without the engine running this is getting serious now someone gonna get hurt i have also informed NX and safer transport
Where did this happen?
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 26, 2021, 11:00:15 AM
On the 29 Coalpool Lane
I did wonder, based on previous posts, whether it would be that area!
Quote from: Westy on October 26, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
I did wonder, based on previous posts, whether it would be that area!
Snap - I didn't want to be presumptuous!
1884 been smashed on the 29 1853 has replaced it and are now diverting again
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 28, 2021, 09:37:40 PM
1884 been smashed on the 29 1853 has replaced it and are now diverting again
Could the 29 potentially get withdrawn on the evenings or permanently rerouted if this senseless vandalism continues?
Just tracked 1853 on BusTimes from Walsall.
Why doesn't it use Broadstone Avenue instead of going up to Leamore lights?
It doesn't stop on diversion, so why?
Quote from: Westy on October 28, 2021, 09:56:47 PM
Just tracked 1853 on BusTimes from Walsall.
Why doesn't it use Broadstone Avenue instead of going up to Leamore lights?
It doesn't stop on diversion, so why?
Some drivers do it some dont i mean they get to blakenall and walsall about 3-4 minutes earlier anyway but i do see where you coming from
Quote from: BK63 YWP on October 28, 2021, 09:52:10 PM
Could the 29 potentially get withdrawn on the evenings or permanently rerouted if this senseless vandalism continues?
Possibly as a local on the route you did get the odd 1 or 2 incidents in 2 weeks.lately this has picked up significantly a had a relative of mine visit who also lives on the 29 route and has to catch the bus back but has today had to walk back because of it speaking to a couple of people from the area who rely on the bus service they said it would be shame if they did withdraw the section on night just because of the minority who think its ok to do anything and i havent noticed any police or anyone do anything about it plus the fact that its Halloween coming up this weekend i personally wouldnt be surprised that after 6pm they diverted because past couple of years on Halloween the 29 service got vandalised its becoming a regular thing now and something needs to be done about it because surely NX arent gonna.keep paying for new windows on buses and replacing 1 once or twice or maybe 3 times a week but the loads from 22:15 until end of service are quite high especially the 23:15 the last one from walsall which regular sees standing passengers especially on a Friday and Saturday Nights.
I have also heard from a person i know that these youths are trying to attack the drivers when they get out the cab to go to the rear of the bus and try and turn it back on after they press the emergancy stop button
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 28, 2021, 11:18:34 PM
Some drivers do it some dont i mean they get to blakenall and walsall about 3-4 minutes earlier anyway but i do see where you coming from
Possibly as a local on the route you did get the odd 1 or 2 incidents in 2 weeks.lately this has picked up significantly a had a relative of mine visit who also lives on the 29 route and has to catch the bus back but has today had to walk back because of it speaking to a couple of people from the area who rely on the bus service they said it would be shame if they did withdraw the section on night just because of the minority who think its ok to do anything and i havent noticed any police or anyone do anything about it plus the fact that its Halloween coming up this weekend i personally wouldnt be surprised that after 6pm they diverted because past couple of years on Halloween the 29 service got vandalised its becoming a regular thing now and something needs to be done about it because surely NX arent gonna.keep paying for new windows on buses and replacing 1 once or twice or maybe 3 times a week but the loads from 22:15 until end of service are quite high especially the 23:15 the last one from walsall which regular sees standing passengers especially on a Friday and Saturday Nights.
From memory, there's only one pub in the area now, the Kings Head adjacent to the Blakenall terminus, so I suppose the locals migrate to whatever is in the town centre nowadays, which probably accounts for the high loads.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 28, 2021, 11:18:34 PM
Some drivers do it some dont i mean they get to blakenall and walsall about 3-4 minutes earlier anyway but i do see where you coming from
Possibly as a local on the route you did get the odd 1 or 2 incidents in 2 weeks.lately this has picked up significantly a had a relative of mine visit who also lives on the 29 route and has to catch the bus back but has today had to walk back because of it speaking to a couple of people from the area who rely on the bus service they said it would be shame if they did withdraw the section on night just because of the minority who think its ok to do anything and i havent noticed any police or anyone do anything about it plus the fact that its Halloween coming up this weekend i personally wouldnt be surprised that after 6pm they diverted because past couple of years on Halloween the 29 service got vandalised its becoming a regular thing now and something needs to be done about it because surely NX arent gonna.keep paying for new windows on buses and replacing 1 once or twice or maybe 3 times a week but the loads from 22:15 until end of service are quite high especially the 23:15 the last one from walsall which regular sees standing passengers especially on a Friday and Saturday Nights.
I have also heard from a person i know that these youths are trying to attack the drivers when they get out the cab to go to the rear of the bus and try and turn it back on after they press the emergancy stop button
NX are failing in their duty as an employer in keeping their staff safe if they continue to send the buses there, especially if the last part of the above quote is true. Do we need to wait for a driver to be attacked and the bus stolen before anyone will bother to do anything about it? The community are letting it happen by not trying to do anything about it, so NX need to act in their drivers' best interest.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 29, 2021, 02:31:15 AM
NX are failing in their duty as an employer in keeping their staff safe if they continue to send the buses there, especially if the last part of the above quote is true. Do we need to wait for a driver to be attacked and the bus stolen before anyone will bother to do anything about it? The community are letting it happen by not trying to do anything about it, so NX need to act in their drivers' best interest.
They Always attack between 6pm and 9pm and i just found a facebook post about a driver who got attacked and certainly from the comments are not happy and if NX do take action it will be a shame for people who use it and it will stop because the few minority of youths who think its ok to endanger lives something needs to happen before Saturday And Sunday cause i will bet atleast 1 of them days a bus will be smashed and theres few incidents in the past where rocks have actually hit the driver window and luckily not injuring them i can see why drivers dont wanna do the route and who would if you know your in danger everytime you go through that coalpool area where a rock could come out of no where and hit the windshield and like the incident on Monday where a Youth actually got into the cab i mean what wouldve happened if he actually managed to start 1847 then what nkt only endangering myself and other passengers but himself to.
The issues on the 29 are much deeper than just mindless vandalism as I've touched on before - here are my thought's on some key areas (apologies for the lengthy post!):
NX will have continuously monitored the situation on a risk to people and property. Their first priority will be people (staff and customers). They are running as normal a service as they can to fulfill the needs of the wider community given the demographic of customers along the route. Where there is an incident or threat to safety, NX are diverting routes as they happen and trying to anticipate where the risks increase.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 29, 2021, 02:31:15 AM
NX are failing in their duty as an employer in keeping their staff safe if they continue to send the buses there, especially if the last part of the above quote is true. Do we need to wait for a driver to be attacked and the bus stolen before anyone will bother to do anything about it? The community are letting it happen by not trying to do anything about it, so NX need to act in their drivers' best interest.
NX are fulfilling their legal obligations primarily under the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 with as safe an environment as is controllable. The vandalism isn't something they can control and they will have spoken to the drivers, unions and Police to monitor and take appropriate action. Drivers have an absolute right to refuse to drive if they believe that they and the public are at risk. Where they invoke a refusal to work, this is then formally reviewed by driver, union and management and assessed accordingly. This sounds very clear cut and almost cold, though that is the reality of it. The last thing NX wants is any harm to driver or public, nor loss to property and/or revenue.
Yes, the community are allowing this to happen, though given the location, they aren't likely to make any headway or change to help the situation - that, unfortunately, falls to the Police.
Diverting the 29 from Proffitt Street, Coalpool Lane and Harden Road solves the problem short term, but alienates and removes a socially necessary service that is used by a high number of elderly and less affluent customers - again, NX will consider safety first, then consider the cost of damage repairs and buses out of service against frequency of attacks and probability of it happening - couple this with the profit on route, then currently, it's cheaper to accept broken windows than it is to leave vulnerable people stranded or forced to get off the 29 and walk long distances through the very area where the vandalism is occurring.
NX are damned if they do and damned if they don't - if they decide to withdraw service on their own then they alone face the wrath of customers, politicians and the press. What I'm not seeing is any intervention from Police and/or Safer Travel Team who will know when the vandalism spikes are and supporting NX with a visible presence. Realistically, would the vandals be *that* bothered? No. But it would demonstrate a united front to the drivers and public and give credence to any decision to withdraw service with some Police involvement.
There is no easy fix to this and this may appear unpopular, though as someone who's lived in the area for most of his life, worked in the area (some of it on the buses) and understand the demographics, I'd like to think I've got a measured overview of the wider situation.
I noticed it wasn't flagged on Twitter last night, & it was before 'closedown ' for the night as well!
Are they behaving themselves on the Wolves 11 at the moment, as I've seen nothing about that for a few weeks?
For those who have Facebook here is a post which includes damage to the buses Yesterday it was 2 buses 2122 then 1884 which replaced it then 1853 replaced 1884
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3068399283434932&id=100007946716627
Quote from: Westy on October 29, 2021, 01:06:33 PM
I noticed it wasn't flagged on Twitter last night, & it was before 'closedown ' for the night as well!
Are they behaving themselves on the Wolves 11 at the moment, as I've seen nothing about that for a few weeks?
I Heard the WN 8 gets it but not as much as this and also the WA 41 is starting to get it abit more now aswell
I have split off these posts regarding the issues with the 29, as this is worthy of its own topic and more detailed discussion.
If anyone has any photos or testimony they wish to share, I would be happy to put together an article for my WMBU website.
Clearly this is becoming a major problem, and as stated already, it is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.
But before rushing to judgements, it is important to build up a 'fuller picture'.
I would hope that all of these instances of vehicles being attacked and vandalised have been duly reported to West Midlands Police by National Express. Equally if there is cause for concern to divert or pull this service at short notice, then the Traffic Commissioner will also need to be informed, and if the service is supported financially by TfWM, they would also need to be informed.
It is my opinion that if the police are failing to take action and respond to these regularly occuring incidents, then I would fully support NX Bus if they decided to revise the evening 29 service to avoid these trouble spots.
Any local residents who would object to this should direct their ire towards the members of their own community who have caused this to happen. Get local councillors and MPs involved too, that's what they're there for after all.
It is very sad reflection on society today where a minority of people think this kind of activity or behaviour is somehow 'acceptable', or passes for some kind of 'entertainment'.
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2021, 05:22:07 PM
I have split off these posts regarding the issues with the 29, as this is worthy of its own topic and more detailed discussion.
If anyone has any photos or testimony they wish to share, I would be happy to put together an article for my WMBU website.
Clearly this is becoming a major problem, and as stated already, it is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured.
But before rushing to judgements, it is important to build up a 'fuller picture'.
I would hope that all of these instances of vehicles being attacked and vandalised have been duly reported to West Midlands Police by National Express. Equally if there is cause for concern to divert or pull this service at short notice, then the Traffic Commissioner will also need to be informed, and if the service is supported financially by TfWM, they would also need to be informed.
It is my opinion that if the police are failing to take action and respond to these regularly occuring incidents, then I would fully support NX Bus if they decided to revise the evening 29 service to avoid these trouble spots.
Any local residents who would object to this should direct their ire towards the members of their own community who have caused this to happen. Get local councillors and MPs involved too, that's what they're there for after all.
It is very sad reflection on society today where a minority of people think this kind of activity or behaviour is somehow 'acceptable', or passes for some kind of 'entertainment'.
The people breaking them should also be sent the bill to pay for the new windows.
A minor point.
The title either does need revising to read 'Walsall 29 etc', so not to confuse with other 29's in the area, or if other spots of vandalism are noted on other routes, a more generic title is needed.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: 2206 on October 29, 2021, 05:34:30 PM
The people breaking them should also be sent the bill to pay for the new windows.
But this is all part of the 'societal problem' really.
The police could issue all the 'fines' and 'cautions' and slaps on the wrists that they like.
The perpetrators will be youths, and their parents will be on low-incomes or in receipt of benefits.
Even if the parents could be held accountable for the actions of their offspring, they would never be able to afford to pay back the cost of the damages entailed.
When I was a kid, if I had ever done anything that resulted in the police coming to our door, my parents would have been down on me like a ton of bricks. Sadly nowadays, a generation of feral kids have bred a new generation of feral kids, where no-one has any understanding of moral decency, so this kind of activity is seen as a 'badge of honour'.
Quote from: Westy on October 29, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
A minor point.
The title either does need revising to read 'Walsall 29 etc', so not to confuse with other 29's in the area, or if other spots of vandalism are noted on other routes, a more generic title is needed.
Just my opinion.
Duly noted, but there is only one 29 service in the West Midlands area.
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2021, 06:44:19 PM
But this is all part of the 'societal problem' really.
The police could issue all the 'fines' and 'cautions' and slaps on the wrists that they like.
The perpetrators will be youths, and their parents will be on low-incomes or in receipt of benefits.
Even if the parents could be held accountable for the actions of their offspring, they would never be able to afford to pay back the cost of the damages entailed.
When I was a kid, if I had ever done anything that resulted in the police coming to our door, my parents would have been down on me like a ton of bricks. Sadly nowadays, a generation of feral kids have bred a new generation of feral kids, where no-one has any understanding of moral decency, so this kind of activity is seen as a 'badge of honour'.
They should still be made to pay it back. Even if in smaller amounts per week/month.
Quote from: Westy on October 29, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
Thought there was one over Brum.
Withdrawn and replaced in part by the 76
@Westy .
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2021, 06:46:31 PM
Duly noted, but there is only one 29 service in the West Midlands area.
Thought there was one over Brum.
Can't keep up with this renumbering!
Anyone with a long memory remember a programme on ITV around 20 odd years ago called The Big Story.
There was one episode that featured the Coalpool area, with people basically doing anti social behaviour.
They put a family in undercover & after a few days, they had to bolt out.
Things haven't changed much down there, it appears.
I showed an old school mate a tape of the show, as he had relatives down there & despite the blurring of the faces, he recognised most of them!
Carrying on from the Walsall Thread it seems from what i can see these group of youths have gathered around the bus stop and as a guess the drivers have noticed them and radioed in and before they strike it has a resulted in this Diversion again i wonder if they will continue this during the weekend
It's a good job there's no problems with Bloxwich Road, like there was recently with roadworks, as there would be 2 sets of services affected , rather than just one.
Just been informed that this diversion will occur every Night 6pm Until Further Notice
Well lets hope the locals get involved in sorting out the little scrotes, if the police can't!
Quote from: Westy on October 29, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Well lets hope the locals get involved in sorting out the little scrotes, if the police can't!
This has certainly ruined my plans with family but i understand that safety does come first
Couldnt the diversion serve harden road and loop round the island and then serve walker road and carry on normal line of route as i csnt see people walking all the way up to the top from the bottom oh harden road to walker road
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 30, 2021, 12:37:23 AM
Couldnt the diversion serve harden road and loop round the island and then serve walker road and carry on normal line of route as i csnt see people walking all the way up to the top from the bottom oh harden road to walker road
The bottom of harden Road by roundabout is also a hot-spot for Windows being smashed.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 30, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
The bottom of harden Road by roundabout is also a hot-spot for Windows being smashed.
I didnt know that thought it was from the cemetery to the yellow flats on ross road thanks for clearing that up
Quote from: PB2938 on October 30, 2021, 02:19:52 PM
The bottom of harden Road by roundabout is also a hot-spot for Windows being smashed.
Would I be correct in thinking no DEAD buses come that way? Ones from Brownhills/Aldridge direction.
Quote from: Westy on October 30, 2021, 03:13:06 PM
Would I be correct in thinking no DEAD buses come that way? Ones from Brownhills/Aldridge direction.
I would guess in the mornings they would go that way but evening i would guess they would go down to pelsall then follow the 9 route to bloxwich then to the garage
29s are running normal line of route now lets see how long it will last again
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 05, 2021, 07:27:29 PM
29s are running normal line of route now lets see how long it will last again
Well that didn't take to long diverted since 20:45 last night
EDIT: we are back to square one but i think tbe yobs have lost there aim and throwing power with rocks just bouncing off the windows
6730 attacked yesterday 6pm on Bloxwich Road Wolverhampton Road heading to Birmingham on X51
Time for the Platinums to be the sacrificial lambs...
Quote from: PB2938 on November 11, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
6730 attacked yesterday 6pm on Bloxwich Road Wolverhampton Road heading to Birmingham on X51
Right in the middle of Bloxwich?
Getting brave aren't they?
And I suppose the Union are doing something about it. Its unsafe working conditions for the drivers.
Quote from: Westy on November 11, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Right in the middle of Bloxwich?
Getting brave aren't they?
Yes been a few incidents with egg throwings on top off roofs and also youths shutting engines off on the 31 down Wolverhampton Road
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 12, 2021, 12:29:15 AM
Yes been a few incidents with egg throwings on top off roofs and also youths shutting engines off on the 31 down Wolverhampton Road
I know I slag her off occasionally, but I'm starting to get concerned about my sister's safety on the night shift, as she catches the 9 from there, which is bad enough with it's timekeeping as it is
Looks like there back ,bringing there girls this time and relocated by the bridge by Edgar Stammers School throwing rocks luckily the bus i was on (2132) they missed on hitting the Rims on the Wheels but as a result of this the standard Diversion applied from 19:00 till end of service
Sister said there was a group of youths in Bloxwich this evening approximately 1900, when she came off the 9 from Wolverhampton direction.
Quote from: Westy on November 21, 2021, 10:13:57 PM
Sister said there was a group of youths in Bloxwich this evening approximately 1900, when she came off the 9 from Wolverhampton direction.
Would that be the fountain or the corner shop between Wolverhampton road next to the school
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 21, 2021, 10:39:02 PM
Would that be the fountain or the corner shop between Wolverhampton road next to the school
Haven't a clue, but doesn't the 9 cross from Wolverhampton Road onto Park Road towards Walsall?
I would suspect she walked from the Park Road stop, towards where the loo used to be, towards the stop for the Bloxwich Road services!
Quote from: Westy on November 21, 2021, 11:15:01 PM
Haven't a clue, but doesn't the 9 cross from Wolverhampton Road onto Park Road towards Walsall?
I would suspect she walked from the Park Road stop, towards where the loo used to be, towards the stop for the Bloxwich Road services!
Yes it does cross there speaking off which another incident happened on Saturday bout 20 kids on Ross road running across the road and swerving infront of the buses on the mopeds although as soon as a cop car came in about 5 minutes after they all ran off and didnt come back so no diversion needed but severly dangerous acts
29s Diverting again tonight
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 23, 2021, 05:55:33 PM
29s Diverting again tonight
If I've read Twitter right, the diversion kicked in prior to 6pm.
Hope whoever commutes from that area got back ok.
Quote from: Westy on November 23, 2021, 09:42:52 PM
If I've read Twitter right, the diversion kicked in prior to 6pm.
Hope whoever commutes from that area got back ok.
Yep 4125 led the way from around 17:00
Not quite sure on this one but im pretty sure 1887 has been attacked tonight while on its way back to walsall its gone back tk the garage and nothing else has replaced it since 21:00
Just popped up on Twitter, that the little darlings on the Wolves 11 are at it again, throwing stones at buses in Dickens Road, so buses are on diversion!
Anyone aware of the NextDoor website/app?
It's like Facebook minus all the crap!
Anyway, anyone aware of this, posted by a La Cross in Beechdale?
'Last night the driver of the 70 bus i was catching in the town told us he wouldn't be dropping off passengers in beechdale. He said a bus earlier had been damaged by youths, windows were smashed and bricks thrown at drivers window. Police came but couldn't find them as they'd scarpered by then. But later another bus was stopped by the gang, the engine turned off by them and the bus was boarded by abusive lads. The driver was threatened with a knife and told he was going to get stabbed. So our driver wasn't taking any chances and was avoiding the estate. So anyone who was stuck waiting last night for the bus to come, you can thank those wild, feral young lads who are out of control. He mentioned that the situation is just as bad in Willenhall and Tipton with feral gangs making bus drivers lives a miserable.
There's talk of taking the bus stops out of Stephenson Square completely, as that's where the majority will the trouble is.
What are the parents doing? They need to take responsibility for their children's behaviour and start disciplining them properly.'
Is this true?
Don't think there's a way to link to the page easily with my phone, as my laptop has gone down!
If Bustimes.org is correct, then things kicked off around 8pm, with buses being diverted either direct Stephenson Avenue to Cavendish Road or via Reedswood Way to Sainsburys , missing out Beechdale shops!
Quote from: Westy on February 20, 2022, 09:08:09 PM
Anyone aware of the NextDoor website/app?
It's like Facebook minus all the crap!
Anyway, anyone aware of this, posted by a La Cross in Beechdale?
'Last night the driver of the 70 bus i was catching in the town told us he wouldn't be dropping off passengers in beechdale. He said a bus earlier had been damaged by youths, windows were smashed and bricks thrown at drivers window. Police came but couldn't find them as they'd scarpered by then. But later another bus was stopped by the gang, the engine turned off by them and the bus was boarded by abusive lads. The driver was threatened with a knife and told he was going to get stabbed. So our driver wasn't taking any chances and was avoiding the estate. So anyone who was stuck waiting last night for the bus to come, you can thank those wild, feral young lads who are out of control. He mentioned that the situation is just as bad in Willenhall and Tipton with feral gangs making bus drivers lives a miserable.
There's talk of taking the bus stops out of Stephenson Square completely, as that's where the majority will the trouble is.
What are the parents doing? They need to take responsibility for their children's behaviour and start disciplining them properly.'
Is this true?
Don't think there's a way to link to the page easily with my phone, as my laptop has gone down!
I'm not from round those parts, but reading stuff like this really riles me.
Is anybody actually doing anything about this?
Hopefully bus operators are registering complaints with the police, but then why aren't the police proactively preventing this from happening in the first place, instead of waiting for an incident to be reported?
And what are the local councillors doing?
Can only imagine what the parents are like! 😡😡😡😡 Probably never worked and completely entitled
Quote from: Westy on February 20, 2022, 09:08:09 PM
He mentioned that the situation is just as bad in Willenhall and Tipton
I've lived in Tipton all my life, and naturally used the local routes too many times to count. I've never had any real issues with anti-social behavior. Sure, there's the odd few who might try and fare dodge, or play music on the bus, but nothing on the scale of what has been reported with the 29.
I've posted several times about this. I've lived in the area for 30 years and worked on the buses in the area for 10 of them.
ASB isn't a new thing, though it is exploiting a number of areas to become more prevalent.
POLICING: Blakenall/Harden/Coalpool was served by 2 police stations in Walsall and Bloxwich. Walsall closed leaving Bloxwich to cover the whole of the Walsall borough, including 999 response and neighbourhood teams. Bloxwich is the furthest station in the north of WM meaning resources are even more stretched. Neighbourhood policing teams have been slashed to a 4 on (rotating days/lates)/4 off meaning that for 4 days there's no local police cover, relying on 999 response or general patrols.
So, ASB knows the shift patterns (posted on the WMP website!) and when they can strike best.
COUNCILLORS/MPs: Both in for their own political gains, happily pointing the fingers at police for not being visible enough and not patrolling at key times (conveniently forgetting that these same politicians/government have slashed police budgets!) instead of working with community groups to identify ASB and councils evicting troublemaking families. Councillors will further berate operators for culling/withdrawing services because it leaves families without a key, socially necessary transport link, without shouldering any burden of responsibility for the people that ;live in their wards/constituencies! Charmed life, eh?!
OPERATORS: Damned if they do, damned if they don't. NXWM are reporting ASVB to police, though with the above issues, it's hard to catch anyone when they can't respond quick enough. So, they either consider reducing, diverting or withdrawing services, then feel the wrath of the politicians who are non-stick and blame everyone else but themselves! Personally, I'd withdraw service after 6pm and play the health & safety card to protect drivers/passengers and their assets (though doubt anyone will until someone is seriously hurt).
Well, that's my opinion...........
Quote from: Stu on February 21, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
I'm not from round those parts, but reading stuff like this really riles me.
Is anybody actually doing anything about this?
Hopefully bus operators are registering complaints with the police, but then why aren't the police proactively preventing this from happening in the first place, instead of waiting for an incident to be reported?
And what are the local councillors doing?
If they're anything like Mp Eddie Hughes, only interested in a photo opportunity!
According to Twitter, the 29 is being diverted tonight, but is this the first time for ages, or has it been on diversion all this time, as it was mentioned previously it was on diversion for the foreseeable?
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2022, 09:23:52 PM
According to Twitter, the 29 is being diverted tonight, but is this the first time for ages, or has it been on diversion all this time, as it was mentioned previously it was on diversion for the foreseeable?
Yes on diversion tonight this is the 1st time since January it has been diverted
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2022, 09:23:52 PM
According to Twitter, the 29 is being diverted tonight, but is this the first time for ages, or has it been on diversion all this time, as it was mentioned previously it was on diversion for the foreseeable?
29 maintains its normal line of route and is diverted as required. Thankfully, the instances of ASB are infrequent, though this doesn't make it any less important or a danger to drivers and passengers.
Little something from Wednesfield Police on Twitter!
Due to recent reports of ASB and criminal behaviour caused by gangs of youths, the team are continuing to put on high visibility patrols on the local bus routes from Bentley Bridge through to Ashmore Park. https://t.co/lkRJtAExd6
Quote from: Westy on April 20, 2022, 07:39:27 PMLittle something from Wednesfield Police on Twitter!
Due to recent reports of ASB and criminal behaviour caused by gangs of youths, the team are continuing to put on high visibility patrols on the local bus routes from Bentley Bridge through to Ashmore Park. https://t.co/lkRJtAExd6
This is a locally organised initiative between Wednesfield NHT and NXWM Wolverhampton and no directly linked to Safer Travel Teams.
The Police regularly use the 59 to travel between Wednesfield Police Station and the edge of their patch on Ashmore Park and the idea is to provide a high visibility patrol in the process. To be fair to Wednesfield NHT, they are one of the most proactive NHTs in the area and I don't see why the NHT for Blakenall couldn't operate a similar initiative.
From Mp Jane Steventon Facebook page.
(Suggested for me apparently!)
🚌 UPDATE ON 59 BUS ISSUES 🚌
I have been in contact with Wolverhampton's Chief Superintendent and the Wednesfield Police team regarding anti-social behaviour on the 59 bus towards Ashmore Park. I am pleased to say that, as per my request, local officers have increased patrols and have been travelling on the route. There have been no further incidents for the last week and a half.
I did request a public meeting but unfortunately this hasn't proved possible. However dates and venues for local PACT meetings with neighbourhood police officers are being arranged, so please do attend if you have concerns.
The police are also working with schools to target early intervention on anti-social behaviour and bullying issues. I will continue to monitor the situation and keep in touch with the police.
Are they playing up again in Underhill?
According to Twitter, there's an issue, with no service between Scotlands & Underhill!
Note, according to BusTimes.org, 6757 has the dubious pleasure of operating the 29 this evening.
The Platties have decent cameras & recording equipment ISTR.
Quote from: Westy on September 25, 2022, 07:33:50 PMNote, according to BusTimes.org, 6757 has the dubious pleasure of operating the 29 this evening.
The Platties have decent cameras & recording equipment ISTR.
I heard tonight the 29 has no bus on tonight due to a driver shortage its already gone back to the garage
Thought this would be the appropriate thread 1879 has driven past me in leamore (not in service) with Graffiti written on the side of the bus
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on November 20, 2022, 06:02:20 PMThought this would be the appropriate thread 1879 has driven past me in leamore (not in service) with Graffiti written on the side of the bus
According to Bustimes.Org, it was last tracked at Caldmore on the 4M.
Don't tell me, they're starting to have a go down there?
29 on diversion via Leamore, according to Twitter, as the little darlings are playing up by Rycroft Cemetery!
According to my WB based sister, who is a member of a Blakenall related FB group, buses have been pulled from the route today, due to being bricked on Harden Road!
There's been a Platinum on Wa 41 lately.
Have they been playing up on that route?
(Spotted a standard bus on a X51 the other day!)
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/node/2777
Let's hope as it's been nice weather lately, the deterrent of a Section 60 in the area(see the Twitter link on the page!) will make the locals think twice before starting anything in the area!
Quote from: Westy on May 27, 2023, 09:15:38 PMhttps://www.west-midlands.police.uk/node/2777
Let's hope as it's been nice weather lately, the deterrent of a Section 60 in the area(see the Twitter link on the page!) will make the locals think twice before starting anything in the area!
With it being Blakenall, theyve probably had their cost of living benefits payments to pi## up the wall 🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on May 28, 2023, 02:19:13 PMWith it being Blakenall, theyve probably had their cost of living benefits payments to pi## up the wall 🤣🤣
Noticed they've now extended it for another 24 hours!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65738350
At least they don't appear to be attacking the buses...
Really sad hearing about the little girl hit and run. Action I hope will be taken now on these nasty little Ferrell types.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 28, 2023, 06:42:02 PMReally sad hearing about the little girl hit and run. Action I hope will be taken now on these nasty little Ferrell types.
I hadn't realised Turnstone Road was a renamed Barracks Lane!
One Walsall Community Transport vehicle is now off the road thanks to the little darlings hanging around the Slacky Lane bridge in Goscote, aiming bricks.
Bus took back to the depot, which I was on, so got a free look at the depot, for a change bus.
Buses now diverted through the top of Little Bloxwich.
The change bus has now got a warning light on, so another phone call to the depot & it's back to the depot yet again!
QuoteOne Walsall Community Transport vehicle is now off the road thanks to the little darlings hanging around the Slacky Lane bridge in Goscote, aiming bricks.
Bus took back to the depot, which I was on, so got a free look at the depot, for a change bus.
Buses now diverted through the top of Little Bloxwich.
The change bus has now got a warning light on, so another phone call to the depot & it's back to the depot yet again!
They've also had a go at 29s again so there ok the normal diversion tonight
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on October 28, 2023, 09:01:08 PMThey've also had a go at 29s again so there ok the normal diversion tonight
On the plus side, I got a non stop 'private' ride to Aldridge eventually!
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/48-hour-order-walsall-after-28036293
The little tykes are subject of a temporary dispersal order now.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 03, 2023, 02:43:50 PMhttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/48-hour-order-walsall-after-28036293
The little tykes are subject of a temporary dispersal order now.
https://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1720494006218494425?s=20
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/2023/11/09/taxis-and-police-cars-pelted-with-bricks-in-walsall-streets-resulting-in-dispersal-powers/
And another one.
Edited to add an article from the fine journalism over at Birmingham Mail: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/youtuber-visits-britains-roughest-estate-28073305
Don't think I'll be using the 25, next time I go to Pelsall or Aldridge, from my part of Bloxwich /Leamore!
Following on from previous posts, and damage to the Chaserider 19 services, here's the latest from Express & Star on patrols around the area:
Going on patrol with Black Country police on 'Britain's roughest estate' | Express & Star (expressandstar.com) (https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2023/11/22/going-on-patrol-with-the-police-in-one-of-the-countrys-most-dangerous-areas/)
Something's puzzling me, re that diversion for the 19.
As previously stated, the 29 diversion is basically via Bloxwich Road to Leamore, then Harden Road to Walker Road, which misses out the main troublespot of Ryecroft Cemetary.
It was also mentioned on a previous post, why the 29 didn't continue along Harden Road & loop Coalpool Island & return, due to attacks by there as well, so why was the 19 diversion still serving the island, bearing in mind the 29 was diverted away from the same area?
(You could say TfWM deemed it vital to serve the Dartmouth Avenue area, as a subsidised service, while the 29 is commercial, else it could have done the same as the 29 & serve Blakenall as well?)
Also why the full length of Goscote Lane / Livingston Road, & not serve the Abbotts Street area? Abbotts Street wasn't affected.
I would've thought there would've been more potential trouble at the Coalpool island end?
Quote from: Westy on November 23, 2023, 09:30:40 PMSomething's puzzling me, re that diversion for the 19.
As previously stated, the 29 diversion is basically via Bloxwich Road to Leamore, then Harden Road to Walker Road, which misses out the main troublespot of Ryecroft Cemetary.
It was also mentioned on a previous post, why the 29 didn't continue along Harden Road & loop Coalpool Island & return, due to attacks by there as well, so why was the 19 diversion still serving the island, bearing in mind the 29 was diverted away from the same area?
(You could say TfWM deemed it vital to serve the Dartmouth Avenue area, as a subsidised service, while the 29 is commercial, else it could have done the same as the 29 & serve Blakenall as well?)
Also why the full length of Goscote Lane / Livingston Road, & not serve the Abbotts Street area? Abbotts Street wasn't affected.
I would've thought there would've been more potential trouble at the Coalpool island end?
Actually kids were throwing things at the 19 on Abbotts Street last week so that's why they're not serving Abbotts Street or any of the other shit hole areas on the route
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 23, 2023, 09:51:22 PMActually kids were throwing things at the 19 on Abbotts Street last week so that's why they're not serving Abbotts Street or any of the other shit hole areas on the route
Must admit wasn't aware of Abbotts Street, as coverage was either Blakenall shops or Ryecroft!
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 25, 2023, 07:11:40 PMBoth vehicles on the 19 tonight 505 and 506 have had windows smashed, so new diversion when it's dark is they will follow the 31/32 route from Walsall to bloxwich, which I think is the best option or stop running the 19 earlier. This has now left Chaserider with 2 less euro 6 buses untill they get repaired. 64, 505, 506, 630 and 632 all off the road at the moment.
Shared across from the Chaserider thread
I am unsure as yet whether following the 31/32 route will be permanent going forward personally I hope so, I am led to believe that Chaserider are having a meeting with TfWM on Monday to discuss the future/route of the 19, I'm hoping Chaserider decide to pull the plug as I stated before on the Chaserider thread something needs to happen before either a passenger or driver gets seriously injured and or assaulted, so if they do pull off the route it can't come soon enough!
Quote from: Westy on November 23, 2023, 10:35:39 PMMust admit wasn't aware of Abbotts Street, as coverage was either Blakenall shops or Ryecroft!
They was standing on the grass patch on the junction of Abbotts street and Benton crescent was daylight they was kids no older than 11 or 12 and they honestly had no care in the world, it really is disgusting how they at that age think that is acceptable, I would never dream of waking up and thinking how many cars/ buses or even police vans can we smash up today.
Having a chat with the one sis in law earlier, as her own sister lives in Ryecroft area, & taxis are frightened to go down there as well, after a certain time!
According to Bustimes, 19 diversion now kicked in.
It'll be interesting to see if the 29 is affected later.
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 25, 2023, 09:38:51 PMShared across from the Chaserider thread
I am unsure as yet whether following the 31/32 route will be permanent going forward personally I hope so, I am led to believe that Chaserider are having a meeting with TfWM on Monday to discuss the future/route of the 19, I'm hoping Chaserider decide to pull the plug as I stated before on the Chaserider thread something needs to happen before either a passenger or driver gets seriously injured and or assaulted, so if they do pull off the route it can't come soon enough!
"Pulling the plug" doesn't solve the issue though.
Hopefully the outcome of the meeting will be that TfWM start to put pressure on Walsall Police and the Police & Crime Commissioner to actually 'do something' to deal with these troublesome youths, because clearly the "tough talk" isn't working.
The police don't need 'dispersal orders' or 'special powers' to get officers on patrol and catching and apprehending these feral scumbags committing these crimes.
You won't see any police near that area they will be hiding behind their desks, and anyone who says there's no such thing as a no go area get into the real world.
Quote from: Stu on November 26, 2023, 04:37:01 PM"Pulling the plug" doesn't solve the issue though.
Well it does because it means Chaserider won't have to operate it anymore
Quote from: Stu on November 26, 2023, 04:37:01 PM"Pulling the plug" doesn't solve the issue though.
Hopefully the outcome of the meeting will be that TfWM start to put pressure on Walsall Police and the Police & Crime Commissioner to actually 'do something' to deal with these troublesome youths, because clearly the "tough talk" isn't working.
The police don't need 'dispersal orders' or 'special powers' to get officers on patrol and catching and apprehending these feral scumbags committing these crimes.
TfWM can put as much pressure on police and the PCC all they like, though it's the CPS that aren't taking cases to court as it's highly unlikely that they will secure a conviction.
Before any case goes to court, the Crown Prosecution Service work with police to investigate and gather evidence from the case. Once police have gathered the evidence then the CPS views the file and an assessment is made whether to charge the suspect on two counts:
1. Evidential Test: Is there enough evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction for each suspect for every charge? If there isn't then it will not progress to stage two, regardless of the sensitivity or seriousness of the case.
2. Public Interest Test: Is the prosecution in the public interest, considering the seriousness of the offence, the harm caused to the victim, the impact on communities and the age/maturity of the suspect at the time of the offence.
The problem the police face is evidence - whilst people might know who's committed, or will SEE the offence being committed, witnesses seldom give statements and/or give evidence, so a file can't be prepared and passed to the CPS.
Yes, the area does need more policing, though the issues around Coalpool & Ryecroft are down to parenting and attitudes - if the parents have no respect for the law then their children won't and so on.
Pulling the plug won't solve the issue, though it would force the hand of police, politicians and decision makers if bus operators refuse to operate routes in the area.
@hlliwmai the areas aren't a sh1thole, it's the small minority that live there. I was born, bred and worked around the area for 30 years, yet you don't see me, my family or neighbours causing criminal damage. It's unfair to tar everyone with the same brush.
Well this is a turn up for the books
@Tony Any comment re service 29 from your bosses, as that passes Ryecroft itself?
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 27, 2023, 11:22:37 AMWell this is a turn up for the books
Walsall Community Transport services 23 & 25 will divert one journey on each service to/from Bloxwich to partly cover the withdrawn afternoon journeys according to TfWM. This is intended to last until at least the end of the year.
From West Midlands Police: (via a community Facebook site!)
We've been working with our partners to make improvements to combat anti-social behaviour in the Coalpool area of Walsall.
There has been a number of incidents recently where police cars have been damaged due to rocks and stones being thrown at vehicles. Taxi drivers and members of the public have also reported to us that their vehicles have been damaged by missiles being thrown from Ryecreoft Cemetery, on Coalpool Lane, Coalpool.
We initially implemented a section 35 dispersal order for 48 hours which allowed us to disperse anyone engaging in anti-social behaviour and causing a public nuisance. We also increased the number of officers in the area and made arrests.
Since then, working alongside our partners including Walsall Council, a camera has been installed opposite the cemetery on Coalpool Lane and trees and bushes which was offering a hideout have been cut back. A gate which was being used to gain access to the site has also been secured.
Sergeant Phil Upton, neighbourhood policing supervisor at Walsall LPA, said: "Through excellent partnership work improvements have been made to the area around Ryecroft Cemetery and we hope this will help put an end to the anti-social behaviour which was originating from the cemetery.
"This includes installing a camera, cutting down vegetation at Ryecroft Cemetery and securing a gate. A weapons sweep was also carried out at the cemetery using a metal detector and a small knife was found which will now be destroyed.
"We hope this is an end to the totally unacceptable anti-social behaviour in this area. I would continue to urge parents to help us by finding out where your child is and what they are doing. By working together we can keep on top of this."
Quote from: Wumpty on November 27, 2023, 08:48:09 AMBefore any case goes to court, the Crown Prosecution Service work with police to investigate and gather evidence from the case. Once police have gathered the evidence then the CPS views the file and an assessment is made whether to charge the suspect on two counts:
1. Evidential Test: Is there enough evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction for each suspect for every charge? If there isn't then it will not progress to stage two, regardless of the sensitivity or seriousness of the case.
2. Public Interest Test: Is the prosecution in the public interest, considering the seriousness of the offence, the harm caused to the victim, the impact on communities and the age/maturity of the suspect at the time of the offence.
The problem the police face is evidence - whilst people might know who's committed, or will SEE the offence being committed, witnesses seldom give statements and/or give evidence, so a file can't be prepared and passed to the CPS.
Yes, the area does need more policing, though the issues around Coalpool & Ryecroft are down to parenting and attitudes - if the parents have no respect for the law then their children won't and so on.
Then civilised society is doomed, because too many people are either willing to turn a blind eye and say nothing, or they say nothing 'for fear' of retribution.
It's a societal problem that gets worse with each generation - feral kids grow up into feckless adults, who produce even more feral kids who grow up into more feckless adults... etc etc.
Quote from: Westy on November 27, 2023, 03:49:42 PMSergeant Phil Upton, neighbourhood policing supervisor at Walsall LPA, said: "Through excellent partnership work improvements have been made to the area around Ryecroft Cemetery and we hope this will help put an end to the anti-social behaviour which was originating from the cemetery.
"This includes installing a camera, cutting down vegetation at Ryecroft Cemetery and securing a gate. A weapons sweep was also carried out at the cemetery using a metal detector and a small knife was found which will now be destroyed.
"We hope this is an end to the totally unacceptable anti-social behaviour in this area. I would continue to urge parents to help us by finding out where your child is and what they are doing. By working together we can keep on top of this."
Great, so a new camera and cutting back some bushes is going to solve everything! :laugh:
@Stu - Are you updating your original website article at some point?
The police had a 48 hour dispersal order in place after 2 of their own vehicles was damaged, this did nothing yes they was driving around in vans and had a car on a corner for a little bit, but they are in marked cars, they know oh yes that's a police car the police need to use unmarked cars which the kids won't think will be a unmarked police car, while the dispersal order was in place they still smashed a bus they smashed Chaserider bus 1 a police van also actually drove past it and never did a thing they carried on driving didn't see if driver or passengers was okay on board the bus. The dispersal order didn't have any affect on them.
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2023, 08:35:53 PMThen civilised society is doomed, because too many people are either willing to turn a blind eye and say nothing, or they say nothing 'for fear' of retribution.
Good luck getting anything out of made reports.
The faith in making report is shocking at the moment particularly on the Council Estates. I have probably reached out to 10 different places, it worked briefly then the problematic tenants realised they cannot be evicted due to their situation they carried on.
As what Wumpty wrote, it's all down to parenting and attitudes.
I hope TfWm are looking at the 25 Saturday journeys as well, as I previously mentioned (& got caught up in inadvertably!), they hide by the canal bridge on Slacky Lane & aim at those buses as well?
(This was approx 12pm as well!)
Very nice I like this...the little scum who are doing all the damage won't though diddums 🤣🤣
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 29, 2023, 03:35:36 PMVery nice I like this...the little scum who are doing all the damage won't though diddums 🤣🤣
I wonder if you would like it if you had to use that bus service to get home!
It doesn't resolve the root cause of the problem. Ultimately, any users that do rely on those journeys will now make alternate arrangements and *if* those journeys do return - usage will be severely diminished.
It's actually quite incredible that a failure of society has now turned into a TfWM related failure.
Quote from: Straightlines on November 29, 2023, 03:58:20 PMIt doesn't resolve the root cause of the problem. Ultimately, any users that do rely on those journeys will now make alternate arrangements and *if* those journeys do return - usage will be severely diminished.
It's actually quite incredible that a failure of society has now turned into a TfWM related failure.
Well if they do return and they are as you say diminished then so be it! It means Chaserider have then got another reason to pull the plug on the service simple!
Having had family in that area there surprised it hasn't happened sooner they said it must have been costing NX and Chaserider lots to repair the windows and doors. They said most residents aren't angry at the Operators they always feel like it was inevitable. I used to get the bus to visit them and I figured if I was waiting an hour for the 29 it was because they were diverted so I would either walk to the terminus in Blakenall or just walk to Bloxwhich. I did sometimes see the kids with Hoodies on walk or cycle past. My relatives said it wouldn't make a difference withdrawing the buses from there as the little darlings will still smash up Bus Stops, Windows or Cars.
The Police should go around there in an Unmarked Car they could use Unmarked Peugeots or Skoda's I saw one the other day with Plain Clothed officers inside or patrolling the estate or both so when the car gets bricked the kids can be captured on Dash Cam and then found and arrested or their parents charged.
I know incidents of buses being smashed used to happen in Rough Hay, Herberts Park and Bentley I can't remember how they stopped it but I don't think it still happens in those areas anymore unless Lodge Farm counts as Bentley. I was on about Darkside which is the area after Wrexham Aveune and the Black Country Route and upto Churchill Aveune I think they used to do buses there Years ago. If the 34 still gets attacked It doesn't seem to divert or get reported about and nothing goes through Herberts Park anymore really. But whatever measures they did to stop them attacking the 34 and 39 or 639 they need to do in Blakenall and Beechdale
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 29, 2023, 05:02:26 PMWell if they do return and they are as you say diminished then so be it! It means Chaserider have then got another reason to pull the plug on the service simple!
You could argue that Chaserider should have perhaps done their homework prior to tendering!
From what I understand, these issues are hardly new with services in the area.
I don't think anyone comes out of this in a good light. Ultimately, the users of the service suffer and the users contribute to Chaseriders income.
Little Darlings caused ASB on Coalpool Lane so 29 diverted Bloxwhich Road, Broadstone Aveune and Harden Road. No idea If there was any buses smashed but Saw the tweet after a family member text saying the ASB had started again.
If one of the parents or their mates was on the bus & they hit them how would the kids feel then & need to catch them stick them in a cell for a few hours to teach them a lesson or army
Quote from: Solo1 on November 30, 2023, 06:34:33 AMIf one of the parents or their mates was on the bus & they hit them how would the kids feel then & need to catch them stick them in a cell for a few hours to teach them a lesson or army
Would teach them a lesson hopefully Karma for potentially harming others. That's if they aren't banned from the buses
Get all the 19 and 29 drivers on the gym so they're really buff so they can go beat up the kids
(incase people get angry, this is a joke)
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 30, 2023, 03:57:06 PMGet all the 19 and 29 drivers on the gym so they're really buff so they can go beat up the kids
(incase people get angry, this is a joke)
As a bus driver (no longer service work however) I wish this was an option lol
Quote from: Solo1 on November 30, 2023, 06:34:33 AMIf one of the parents or their mates was on the bus & they hit them how would the kids feel then & need to catch them stick them in a cell for a few hours to teach them a lesson or army
The problem (as I see it) is that these brain-dead morons have no ability to think about such things in a logical manner.
All these people think about is "having some fun", and dare I say it, filming and uploading this kind of stuff to social media, in order to get 'likes' and attention.
There's no concept of "consequences for your actions", not while their parents don't give a shit about what their kids are up to, as long as they're out the way while they watch "I'm A Celebrity" or Coronation Street on the telly.
The parents don't give a shit because there to busy watching their 80 inch T.V. Cracking the top of a can, lighting up a ciggy and counting their benefits
Did a 29 get a window smashed last night does anyone know as I noticed they went on diversion or is this just a diversion they are doing like Chaserider was on the 19 to prevent the windows from getting broken.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 01, 2023, 03:58:57 PMDid a 29 get a window smashed last night does anyone know as I noticed they went on diversion or is this just a diversion they are doing like Chaserider was on the 19 to prevent the windows from getting broken.
The 29 is on diversion until further notice after a certain time. The 19 is currently ending at 3pm so is not on diversion.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 01, 2023, 07:26:59 PMThe 29 is on diversion until further notice after a certain time. The 19 is currently ending at 3pm so is not on diversion.
No it isn't. It's diverted if it needs to be, still running via Coalpool Lane tonight
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2023, 07:39:12 PMNo it isn't. It's diverted if it needs to be, still running via Coalpool Lane tonight
Perhaps the weather is detering them?
According to the NextDoor website/app (Facebook without the xxxx basically!), kids were hanging around the Beechdale shops yesterday, so bus drivers were avoiding that stop.
Is that correct?
From Chaserider social media.
'Good morning, following more anti-social activity along route 19 on Saturday between Walsall and Bloxwich we will not serve Blackenall today and will operate along main roads only. We will revert to normal route on Monday.'
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/teens-arrested-after-rocks-thrown-28249238
Oh look, a couple of the poor kiddies got arrested.
Any further updates?
I take it as all is quiet at the moment, since the arrests?
apologies if this is a cross posting against topics
Why as TfWM allowed Chaserider to stop services after 4pm on route 19 surely there are workers that would use bus services to get home from work.
Quote from: Ginger66 on December 18, 2023, 06:52:11 PMapologies if this is a cross posting against topics
Why as TfWM allowed Chaserider to stop services after 4pm on route 19 surely there are workers that would use bus services to get home from work.
Merged into existing topic on this subject.
Chaserider had discussions with TfWM about this, I don't know what exactly was discussed or argued, but Chaserider made a request which TfWM have agreed to.
Presumably it was established that the worst of the vandalism was occurring after 4pm, and it was more prudent to take the vehicle out of service after 4pm as a preventative measure, rather than having to take the vehicle out of service once some yobs had put a brick through a window.
The 29 terminating at the Walker Road / Harden Road mini roundabout, as there's ASB at the main Blakenall terminus tonight!
https://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1741120923061588087?s=20
Here we go again!
Quote from: Westy on December 30, 2023, 04:19:40 PMhttps://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1741120923061588087?s=20
Here we go again!
Wonder if it will be worse tonight with it being New Years Eve and Walsall presumably be busy so the Police will be stretched
Seems, according to Twitter, something serious happened in Bushbury over Xmas.
Not going into too much detail on here, but if you are aware from there, you should be aware of the circumstances already!
BBC 'ghouls'. :undecided:
Just had the following email from someone at the BBC:
QuoteI'm a reporter for the BBC looking at the issue of bus services in Walsall being reduced/diverted due to anti social behaviour (such as bricks being thrown at buses). I'm trying to find out if there are any videos or photos of these incidents and an online search lead me to your page.
I appreciate this might not be something you could help with.
Any interest in understanding the impacts of this 'anti-social behaviour' on innocent passengers being inconvenienced by this, or the bus operators facing bills to repair damaged vehicles?
No, just "got any videos or photos we can use?"
Disgusting. That's local journalism for you.
Quote from: Stu on January 03, 2024, 09:04:46 PMBBC 'ghouls'. :undecided:
Just had the following email from someone at the BBC:
Any interest in understanding the impacts of this 'anti-social behaviour' on innocent passengers being inconvenienced by this, or the bus operators facing bills to repair damaged vehicles?
No, just "got any videos or photos we can use?"
Disgusting. That's local journalism for you.
One can only hope that they are looking at the impact on passengers, drivers and bus operators, but I won't hold my breath on that.
Perhaps a response along the lines of "I haven't, but it would be worth you sending a camera crew there yourself"?
If what we read is accurate, they wouldn't have long to wait ...
I know you won't release the name, to save their embarassment, but I do hope it's a 'minor' journalist & not a 'name' at BBC Birmingham?
Quote from: Justin Tyme on January 03, 2024, 09:57:39 PMOne can only hope that they are looking at the impact on passengers, drivers and bus operators, but I won't hold my breath on that.
Perhaps a response along the lines of "I haven't, but it would be worth you sending a camera crew there yourself"?
If what we read is accurate, they wouldn't have long to wait ...
The moment the Camera Crew get attacked or the bus there on gets bricked they will realise
Just spoken to my other WB based sister, who is a member of a Blakenall based FB group, & she says cameras have been reported as being around there.
Might be worth a look later?
Quote from: Westy on January 07, 2024, 12:57:14 PMJust spoken to my other WB based sister, who is a member of a Blakenall based FB group, & she says cameras have been reported as being around there.
Might be worth a look later?
BBC film crew doing a report, hence why they got in contact with me.
Quote from: Stu on January 07, 2024, 01:41:56 PMBBC film crew doing a report, hence why they got in contact with me.
Did they say it was for local news or a network thing?
Just seen there is an article on Birmingham live.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/bus-services-diverted-routes-yobs-28409262
Article link.
The councillor complaining about people losing out on bus services, why aren't you out in the evenings to observe this?
Report on BBC Midlands Today in 15 mins!
There has been clips on the morning news, Chaserider E200 in the Centre Bus Livery on the 19 no NX seen
BBC article on this (this is by the journalist that contacted me):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c842qgje5xno
QuoteCouncillor Pete Smith, who has raised the issue for debate at a meeting on Monday, said residents were losing out because of the vandalism and called for services to resume as soon as possible.
"This area depends a lot more on buses because we are not a rich area, we haven't got as many cars per household," he said.
"This bus service is very well used and people are suffering and that's wrong.
"People have told me they're having to get taxis to get to work and they can't afford it. People are angry.
It's quite simple really - deal with the yob youths, stop the vandalism, then the bus services can get back to normal.
Don't be angry with the bus operators, direct your anger at the councillors, police, and parents of these feral kids; they are the ones that have failed you and let this situation get out of control.
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2024, 07:10:54 PMBBC article on this (this is by the journalist that contacted me):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c842qgje5xno
It's quite simple really - deal with the yob youths, stop the vandalism, then the bus services can get back to normal.
Don't be angry with the bus operators, direct your anger at the councillors, police, and parents of these feral kids; they are the ones that have failed you and let this situation get out of control.
Pete Smith is an Independent, not affiliated to any of the major parties so sees himself as a man of the people.
He doesn't want to call out the locals for fear of losing his seat so vents his political spleen at the big bad bus companies for cutting services and leaving residents stranded.
I agree with
@Stu that it IS a simple equation - problem is that police are too soft and the politicians too ignorant.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 08, 2024, 08:40:21 PMPete Smith is an Independent, not affiliated to any of the major parties so sees himself as a man of the people.
He doesn't want to call out the locals for fear of losing his seat so vents his political spleen at the big bad bus companies for cutting services and leaving residents stranded.
I agree with @Stu that it IS a simple equation - problem is that police are too soft and the politicians too ignorant.
The police aren't the problem, it is the courts.
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2024, 08:57:48 PMThe police aren't the problem, it is the courts.
The police need to be more of a deterrent (I'm sure I've posted about this earlier).
Granted, it's the probability of a prosecution that's the pivot, though police must take some responsibility.
Start prosecuting the parents they are responsible for the inbreads
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2024, 07:10:54 PMBBC article on this (this is by the journalist that contacted me):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c842qgje5xno
Must admit I'm more of a Rebecca Wood fan, as she reminds me of Sophie Ellis Bextor!
Back at it tonight 29 is diverted
And 29 is on Diversion again due to them attacking on Coalpool Lane
There is concerns about ASB on the 59 now to
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2024/01/13/fears-over-anti-social-behaviour-on-one-of-wolverhamptons-busiest-bus-routes/
It's hidden behind a paywall unlike the 29 Police Officers travel on this route
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/fears-over-antisocial-behaviour-bus-28435766 for a worse, but actually readable article.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 13, 2024, 01:51:41 PMhttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/fears-over-antisocial-behaviour-bus-28435766 for a worse, but actually readable article.
It's the same article, written by the same person, Joe Sweeney.
New Week you guessed it the 29 is diverted again. They hadn't done it for a while now they have done it 3 or 4 times in a couple of weeks
Well the 29 isn't gonna be affected by ASB now as it's on diverion due to roadworks avoiding Coalpool Lane and Ross Road
4598 got its engine cover ripped off by a certain chubby local on the Beechdale Estate
Quote from: Abluhwleh on January 16, 2024, 06:38:45 PM4598 got its engine cover ripped off by a certain chubby local on the Beechdale Estate
4598 is a WN Bus was it on the 69
Quote from: Abluhwleh on January 16, 2024, 06:45:39 PMYes.
This happened at about 12:45 is according to Bus Times and it was moved at 16:40 ish
Bit of an update re the Blakenall & Coalpool situation, courtesy of Cllr Pete Smith, who you'll remember from the Midlands Today report last week.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/bloxwich/2024/01/17/councillors-hold-anti-social-behaviour-summit-as-terrified-blakenall-residents-plead-for-action/
Taken from Pete Smith's Next Door feed :
CLLR. PETE SMITH'S REPORT BACK ON THE MEETING:
High powered Meeting with Senior Police, Council's Community Protection leaders, Transport bosses, Whg & Youth Service leaders on Monday 15th. January 2924.
It was outlined to Councillors that a lot of "joined -up" , collaborative work has been /is being carried out re: issues in the Blakenall area: * Building up intelligence from a variety of sources... * Extra Police resources into the Blakenall area..... *Use of drones where necessary..... * Checking/cross- referencing school absentee records....... *New and significant "new money" invested in youth work in the area..... * Crushing of many off-road motor bikes...... * Warnings already given to particular Whg tenants about breaching tenancy agreements due to their kids' behaviour and the possible possession of property consequences with more to come where necessary..... * several juveniles already arrested with some now going through the juvenile justice system..... ..... *Senior Police stating that they are prepared to put resources into Blakenall until this issue is resolved...... * Better & quicker communication links between bus drivers and the Police, as well as joint action..... *Use of plain clothes as well as uniformed Police.... * A much improved 101 System for reporting crime.... *Emphasis on the need for the local community to be more willing to come forward with information especially as it is felt that it is almost certain that this behaviour is coming from certain local juveniles.... *Encouragement for local residents to join/set up Neighbourhood Watch Groups and to join [...... * Other operational plans, the nature of which is best kept confidential from Councillors and the public at this stage.... *a further Meeting in a few weeks to monitor progress.
Cllr. Pete Smith made several points:
*Thanked all the agencies for their joint work that is bearing results.
Reminded the meeting that as far as the public are concerned "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" and that despite all the efforts, some of this stone throwing is still going on , possibly now also by some senseless copy -cat copiers.
*Empahsised that the shortening of the 19 bus service (whilst supported initially for safety reasons) should be restored ASAP as this cutting of the srvice amounted to a "collective punishment on the bus users". This argument of course is weakened every time another incident happens.
*Called for as much information as possible to be shared with the public (bearing in mind legalities and operational confidentiality issues that might limit this)
*These incidents should not be treated as "a bit of juvenile ASB" but as deliberate pre-meditated CRIME that is endangering lives! and those proven responsible for such acts should be dealt with in a serious manner.
*Above all, for all to recognise that the vast majority of adults and children in our Blakenall area are good, law abiding citizens who are doing their best, are generally happy living in the area, care about their kids, their education and their whereabouts and look out for each other. There is a great deal of positive energy and things going on in our area which we should be proud of. The problems need sorting but the area is not as bad as the media often try to make out.
*This meeting will not solve all the issues overnight but I am convinced that (as far as the law allows..and there's another debate as to what is and what should be).. everyone is doing the best they can.
*I am particualrly appreciative of the work being done by Portfolio holder, Cllr. Gary Perry who as Chair of the Meeting has been helping to co-ordinate all the work that is being done.
Cllr. Pete Smith.
Blakenall ward.
https://x.com/ST_Police/status/1748337205989249367
:police:
https://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1749158841701327132?s=20
Quote from: Westy on January 21, 2024, 09:52:53 PMhttps://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1749158841701327132?s=20
So, it's STILL happening then...on the basis of this there is no way that Chaserider will revert the 19 back to it's original timetable, I hope at some point Chaserider decide they are pulling off the route altogether and I hope that no other operator wants to take it on and the route is scrapped indefinitely
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 22, 2024, 10:17:36 AMSo, it's STILL happening then...on the basis of this there is no way that Chaserider will revert the 19 back to it's original timetable, I hope at some point Chaserider decide they are pulling off the route altogether and I hope that no other operator wants to take it on and the route is scrapped indefinitely
It's up to TfWM if they want the route to be continue to be operated.
Chaserider should've known what they was going into when they bidded for it!
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 22, 2024, 10:17:36 AMSo, it's STILL happening then...on the basis of this there is no way that Chaserider will revert the 19 back to it's original timetable, I hope at some point Chaserider decide they are pulling off the route altogether and I hope that no other operator wants to take it on and the route is scrapped indefinitely
Probably go back to NX, who will save the day before they to say to TFWM that now they are losing more Buses than before to yobs. When an E200 and B7 are off the road with broken windows.
Find the parents of culprits and evict them or end tenancy's , I bet they are known and have been warned.
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 22, 2024, 10:17:36 AMSo, it's STILL happening then...on the basis of this there is no way that Chaserider will revert the 19 back to it's original timetable, I hope at some point Chaserider decide they are pulling off the route altogether and I hope that no other operator wants to take it on and the route is scrapped indefinitely
And the passengers who lose their bus service? Not all of the residents are targeting buses so why should they lose out because of a minority?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 23, 2024, 10:09:50 AMAnd the passengers who lose their bus service? Not all of the residents are targeting buses so why should they lose out because of a minority?
Because it's like I said to my partner yesterday we don't know that the parents of these imbred little shits who are causing the damage are not using the 19 themselves and are aware of what they're vile brats are doing & allowing them to do it; granted maybe it is unfair for everybody else BUT sometimes these companies have got to do the correct thing for safety of staff and passengers; so IF Chaserider do pull the plug and then it transpires that no one else wants to operate it (wouldn't blame the other companies if they didn't) then that's that it's a little bit tough at the top as harsh as that may sound
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 23, 2024, 10:09:50 AMAnd the passengers who lose their bus service? Not all of the residents are targeting buses so why should they lose out because of a minority?
Yep, in that same wording about the 19, you may as well expect NX to stop the 29 and leave the complete area unserved and people stranded because of a minority.
And they are doing it again it was tweeted 14 minutes ago so hadn't even gone 6PM
The 19 has gone out to tender this afternoon.
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2024, 06:38:15 PMThe 19 has gone out to tender this afternoon.
This is what TfWM have sent out to bidders. (Removed at the request of TfWM)
They just needed to put "use a prison van".
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2024, 06:42:26 PMThis is what TfWM have sent out to bidders. Might be of interest to some of you.
Who in their right mind would bid on this contract?
What a desperate state of affairs to have to run a bus service. Whoever has to drive that route in the evening should be paid danger money.
Here's a suggestion.
TfWm buy the buses, fit them out to the specfications, then rent them out to the relavant operator.
(Don't some authorities do something similar with Park & Ride contracts?)
YES!!!! They have finally realised to say I am overjoyed is a little bit of an understatement :grin: :grin: :grin:
West midland police are now running the service using riot minibuses
Quote from: karl724223 on January 25, 2024, 01:05:47 PMWest midland police are now running the service using riot minibuses
😂😂😂😂😂😂
They'll probably enjoy that.....and I don't mean the little yobbos!
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2024, 06:42:26 PMThis is what TfWM have sent out to bidders. (Removed at the request of TfWM)
Drat. Should've took a screenshot!
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 25, 2024, 12:13:08 PMYES!!!! They have finally realised to say I am overjoyed is a little bit of an understatement :grin: :grin: :grin:
I find your 'joy' at this situation deeply disturbing.
To be honest I don't blame Chaserider for terminating this contract early, however the conditions that TfWM have now set out for its replacement will mean it will be difficult to get other operators to submit bids.
What happens if no operator submits a bid? Does the service then end up withdrawn completely?
I hope you don't know anyone who actually relies on this service, who might be concerned if it is going to continue at all. Because they might not be as overjoyed as you are.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:00:23 PMI find your 'joy' at this situation deeply disturbing.
To be honest I don't blame Chaserider for terminating this contract early, however the conditions that TfWM have now set out for its replacement will mean it will be difficult to get other operators to submit bids.
What happens if no operator submits a bid? Does the service then end up withdrawn completely?
I hope you don't know anyone who actually relies on this service, who might be concerned if it is going to continue at all. Because they might not be as overjoyed as you are.
I agree, never heard someone sound immature and childish over a tender finishing early. I also agree, i'm sure the regular passngers won't be happy, i'm sure they wasn't happy enough when Chaserider stopped running till 6pm because of a minority.
Maybe Chaserider should've looked into what they was getting themselves into before chickening out!
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:00:23 PMI find your 'joy' at this situation deeply disturbing.
To be honest I don't blame Chaserider for terminating this contract early, however the conditions that TfWM have now set out for its replacement will mean it will be difficult to get other operators to submit bids.
What happens if no operator submits a bid? Does the service then end up withdrawn completely?
I hope you don't know anyone who actually relies on this service, who might be concerned if it is going to continue at all. Because they might not be as overjoyed as you are.
Well actually I'm NOT the only one who finds it delightful, the drivers on the Walsall rota at Chaserider are overjoyed it's going! Because they know that they don't have to put up with smashed windows and grief anymore and for your information NO I thankfully don't know anyone who has to rely on the service and quite honestly I'm glad I don't neither because I wouldn't want anyone I know to be showered in glass or what have you
https://www.facebook.com/100064499962113/posts/pfbid02juY88U5gFjpbZRUumPHdjmbkWBWrNL1CbRfaBk1viEvcbw3pKADEnNYxBvJoddc8l/
And just to end the day ......
Covering most of North Walsall as well.
Think that's the biggest area so far at once?
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2024, 07:03:01 PMI agree, never heard someone sound immature and childish over a tender finishing early. I also agree, i'm sure the regular passngers won't be happy, i'm sure they wasn't happy enough when Chaserider stopped running till 6pm because of a minority.
Maybe Chaserider should've looked into what they was getting themselves into before chickening out!
Read my response!! #keyboardwarrior
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 25, 2024, 11:26:52 PMRead my response!! #keyboardwarrior
Says the one who's 'overjoyed' about a tender finishing.
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 12:20:18 AMSays the one who's 'overjoyed' about a tender finishing.
Did you read it probably NOT!!
FYI I'm NOT the only one who finds it delightful, the drivers on the Walsall rota at Chaserider are overjoyed it's going! Because they know that they don't have to put up with smashed windows and grief anymore
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 12:36:52 AMDid you read it probably NOT!!
FYI
I'm NOT the only one who finds it delightful, the drivers on the Walsall rota at Chaserider are overjoyed it's going! Because they know that they don't have to put up with smashed windows and grief anymore
You say that then to the regulars of the 19 who have already had a service cut in the afternoon. Doubt they are as delightful.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2024, 07:00:23 PMI find your 'joy' at this situation deeply disturbing.
To be honest I don't blame Chaserider for terminating this contract early, however the conditions that TfWM have now set out for its replacement will mean it will be difficult to get other operators to submit bids.
What happens if no operator submits a bid? Does the service then end up withdrawn completely?
I hope you don't know anyone who actually relies on this service, who might be concerned if it is going to continue at all. Because they might not be as overjoyed as you are.
I completely agree
@Stu and with
@Jack - ridiculous comments like that serve no purpose and the only people that lose out are the passengers of Forest, Goscote and Ryecroft who, potentially, lose a socially-necessary service.
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 12:36:52 AMDid you read it probably NOT!!
FYI
I'm NOT the only one who finds it delightful, the drivers on the Walsall rota at Chaserider are overjoyed it's going! Because they know that they don't have to put up with smashed windows and grief anymore
@hlliwmai I'm sure that drivers can speak for themselves and I'm sure there is relief, though your repeat insistence of joy and delight are disturbing. There is a very fine balance between providing a service, public safety and commercial loss to the bus company. There is NO quick fix to this, though NX will continue to run 29, as far as is safe and practicable, to cover some of the area.
TfWM have a very difficult task to find an operator that will meet the minimum revised tender requirements and stand any loss incurred where these requirements have been fulfilled, though still sustain damage/losses.
There are additional meetings taking place today and over the weekend between key stakeholders to look at further contingencies should no operator be forthcoming.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 26, 2024, 09:46:35 AMI completely agree @Stu and with @Jack - ridiculous comments like that serve no purpose and the only people that lose out are the passengers of Forest, Goscote and Ryecroft who, potentially, lose a socially-necessary service.
@hlliwmai I'm sure that drivers can speak for themselves and I'm sure there is relief, though your repeat insistence of joy and delight are disturbing. There is a very fine balance between providing a service, public safety and commercial loss to the bus company. There is NO quick fix to this, though NX will continue to run 29, as far as is safe and practicable, to cover some of the area.
TfWM have a very difficult task to find an operator that will meet the minimum revised tender requirements and stand any loss incurred where these requirements have been fulfilled, though still sustain damage/losses.
There are additional meetings taking place today and over the weekend between key stakeholders to look at further contingencies should no operator be forthcoming.
Quite honestly I don't give a monkeys what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of my opinion it's valid and that's it! & I hope no one does take it on because it's like I said to Andy Street before Christmas, the route needs to be scrapped altogether it's dangerous a driver that I'm good friends with was driving it before Christmas (mid November-ish) and there was an incident on the bus between 2 passengers (can't remember the exact details) it later transpired that one of those passengers had a knife and had threatened the other! So yes I think that is good reason for it to scrapped altogether and if you don't agree then I think you need to give your head a wobble!
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 10:52:27 AMQuite honestly I don't give a monkeys what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of my opinion it's valid and that's it! & I hope no one does take it on because it's like I said to Andy Street before Christmas, the route needs to be scrapped altogether it's dangerous a driver that I'm good friends with was driving it before Christmas (mid November-ish) and there was an incident on the bus between 2 passengers (can't remember the exact details) it later transpired that one of those passengers had a knife and had threatened the other! So yes I think that is good reason for it to scrapped altogether and if you don't agree then I think you need to give your head a wobble!
It isn't valid though but you have to have the last word don't you, you need a reality check and maybe you should drive to make up your own opinions instead of using others.
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 01:28:02 PMIt isn't valid though but you have to have the last word don't you, you need a reality check and maybe you should drive to make up your own opinions instead of using others.
Oh look another #keyboardwarrior
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 01:46:16 PMOh look another #keyboardwarrior
Only keyboard warrior here is you.
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 02:07:25 PMOnly keyboard warrior here is you.
Gobshite aren't you!!
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 03:14:49 PMhe started it @Tony not me
And you still post after I have finished it, can't give up can you.
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 03:14:49 PMhe started it @Tony not me
@Will grow up & and move on, topic is closed, Winston
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2024, 07:03:01 PMI agree, never heard someone sound immature and childish over a tender finishing early. I also agree, i'm sure the regular passngers won't be happy, i'm sure they wasn't happy enough when Chaserider stopped running till 6pm because of a minority.
Maybe Chaserider should've looked into what they was getting themselves into before chickening out!
How do you know Chaserider "chickened out" not being funny transport for West Midlands could of said we need you to run the full journeys now, or they could of said we are no longer letting you oporate it due to not doing the full journeys, you don't know if anything the user your calling immature, childish would definitely know a lot more about this than you, not being funny 19 is a dangerous route and I feel sorry for anyone who takes the route on falling into this trap, you have clearly never been on the 19 route do you don't know what it's like, I have been on board a bus when it's window was smashed it's not nice scares you to be honest at first, and when I've been on a bus you see kids no older than 11/12 standing on the corner of roads picking up bricks and launching them at buses passing, on a number of occasions these bricks hit the buses but luckily never smashed the window but left marks it's a good job it didn't smash as a elderly passenger would of been seriously hurt, and as for you saying "say that to the locals" some of the locals have said they agree with stopping the buses at a certain time because of a thing called HEALTH AND SAFETY. A few passengers have actually said they wouldn't blame them if they stopped running the buses. Yes I know it's not their fault and not fair on them but blame the little 💩s who see smashing windows on buses and cars fun,
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 26, 2024, 06:49:22 PMHow do you know Chaserider "chickened out" not being funny transport for West Midlands could of said we need you to run the full journeys now, or they could of said we are no longer letting you oporate it due to not doing the full journeys, you don't know if anything the user your calling immature, childish would definitely know a lot more about this than you, not being funny 19 is a dangerous route and I feel sorry for anyone who takes the route on falling into this trap, you have clearly never been on the 19 route do you don't know what it's like, I have been on board a bus when it's window was smashed it's not nice scares you to be honest at first, and when I've been on a bus you see kids no older than 11/12 standing on the corner of roads picking up bricks and launching them at buses passing, on a number of occasions these bricks hit the buses but luckily never smashed the window but left marks it's a good job it didn't smash as a elderly passenger would of been seriously hurt, and as for you saying "say that to the locals" some of the locals have said they agree with stopping the buses at a certain time because of a thing called HEALTH AND SAFETY. A few passengers have actually said they wouldn't blame them if they stopped running the buses. Yes I know it's not their fault and not fair on them but blame the little 💩s who see smashing windows on buses and cars fun,
I suggest you quote that to the other people who also told the said person that his attitude was childish.
And quite clearly it's been ended why an earth have you decided to kick your toys out the pram?
I've been on buses where stuffs been thrown at them, you don't see NX pulling off a service because of a minority do you.
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 07:06:27 PMI suggest you quote that to the other people who also told the said person that his attitude was childish.
And quite clearly it's been ended why an earth have you decided to kick your toys out the pram?
I've been on buses where stuffs been thrown at them, you don't see NX pulling off a service because of a minority do you.
FYI, I'm pretty sure Nx pulled off the 19 did they or did they not?? Because all their drivers was happy to get rid of it
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 26, 2024, 07:24:48 PMFYI, I'm pretty sure Nx pulled off the 19 did they or did they not?? Because all their drivers was happy to get rid of it
The tender finished.
Could you not read where Admin in blue ink said the end of topic?
Quote from: Jack on January 26, 2024, 07:26:17 PMThe tender finished.
Could you not read where Admin in blue ink said the end of topic?
And yet you kept spouting your gob!
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 26, 2024, 07:42:58 PMAnd yet you kept spouting your gob!
As did you after Tony told you off, I was replying to someone else who didn't read what was said in blue ink either!
Calm down guys.
I can't be the only one who doesn't want to see this thread closed, as in the main, it's an interesting topic!
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2024, 07:58:01 PMCalm down guys.
I can't be the only one who doesn't want to see this thread closed, as in the main, it's an interesting topic!
I agree.
This is a final warning to ALL members, any further bickering will see action taken.
Could TFWM not have an on demand service for a replacement of the 29 and have a travel safety officer on board the service
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on January 26, 2024, 08:31:00 PMCould TFWM not have an on demand service for a replacement of the 29 and have a travel safety officer on board the service
Do you mean the 19, as Nx will only withdraw the 29 as a last resort?
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2024, 08:56:51 PMDo you mean the 19, as Nx will only withdraw the 29 as a last resort?
Don't think NX will completely leave Blakenall, can't leave people stranded. The 19's tender with NX had finished and they chose not to retender it. I'm not sure why people think they dropped it as when NX had the 19 they wasn't dealing with ASB daily it was purely the 29.
Until the idiots stop I think the best thing is to divert when the idiots come about as what NX do currently with the 29.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on January 26, 2024, 08:31:00 PMCould TFWM not have an on demand service for a replacement of the 29 and have a travel safety officer on board the service
North Walsall on Demand maybe, similar to the Coventry one. Ring and ride is already operational in that area so makes you wonder how feasible it is to merge the 19 with that maybe?
Carolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Incident on Ross Road is diverting the 29 it doesn't say ASB specifically
The Birmingham Mail rode the 29 albeit at 9 in the morning but it does emphasise how important the route is.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/went-bus-around-lawless-estate-28552763
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 06:46:44 PMThe Birmingham Mail rode the 29 albeit at 9 in the morning but it does emphasise how important the route is.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/went-bus-around-lawless-estate-28552763
They could've returned on the 19 at least!
Quote from: Westy on February 03, 2024, 07:33:31 PMThey could've returned on the 19 at least!
Come on, that would've involved thought and effort!
Can we keep this topic on the subject of anti-social behaviour and vandalism of buses in Walsall please?
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 04:19:06 PMCan we keep this topic on the subject of anti-social behaviour and vandalism of buses in Walsall please?
Does that mean a separate topic for other areas has to be opened up then?
Just saying that NX on Twitter reported an issue on Ashmore Park earlier.
Quote from: Westy on February 04, 2024, 07:18:23 PMDoes that mean a separate topic for other areas has to be opened up then?
Just saying that NX on Twitter reported an issue on Ashmore Park earlier.
That's a different type of anti-social behaviour, drunken louts fighting outside a pub it seems. Probably football related at a guess. That diversion is cleared now anyway.
This topic is for discussing the issue of anti-social behaviour directed towards bus services and vandalism of vehicles in Walsall.
I can always edit the topic title if members want to discuss those issues affecting bus services elsewhere.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 07:47:49 PMThat's a different type of anti-social behaviour, drunken louts fighting outside a pub it seems. Probably football related at a guess. That diversion is cleared now anyway.
This topic is for discussing the issue of anti-social behaviour directed towards bus services and vandalism of vehicles in Walsall.
I can always edit the topic title if members want to discuss those issues affecting bus services elsewhere.
Would be easier to edit the title, as there has been issues in the likes of The Scotlands area on Wolves 11 in the past.
It just seems daft to open another topic to cover another areas problems, when they can all be put into the one topic.
Wasnt there issues affecting South Brum services recently, according to the YW thread?
If so, those could've gone in this thread as well at the time.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 07:47:49 PMThat's a different type of anti-social behaviour, drunken louts fighting outside a pub it seems. Probably football related at a guess. That diversion is cleared now anyway.
This topic is for discussing the issue of anti-social behaviour directed towards bus services and vandalism of vehicles in Walsall.
I can always edit the topic title if members want to discuss those issues affecting bus services elsewhere.
Wolves were away yesterday and won, Albion and Blues played each Saturday with Albion winning, Villa were away and won. I doubt it was Football fans, I hate that due to idiots we all get thrown into the hooligan crowd after having a few drinks.
Anyway back on Topic
They haven't seemed to be causing ASB on the 29 and 19 recently or the 70 and 70A has something actually happened in that area
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 01:13:55 AMWolves were away yesterday and won, Albion and Blues played each Saturday with Albion winning, Villa were away and won. I doubt it was Football fans, I hate that due to idiots we all get thrown into the hooligan crowd after having a few drinks.
Anyway back on Topic
They haven't seemed to be causing ASB on the 29 and 19 recently or the 70 and 70A has something actually happened in that area
They had been using that Wolves double decker on loan on the 70 I noticed the one day last week.
You would've it might have been more use on the 51 covering for hydros, so whether something had been happening on Beechdale I dont know, but why use an on loan vehicle on a route thats had problems in recent past?
Quote from: Westy on February 05, 2024, 01:23:14 AMThey had been using that Wolves double decker on loan on the 70 I noticed the one day last week.
You would've it might have been more use on the 51 covering for hydros, so whether something had been happening on Beechdale I dont know, but why use an on loan vehicle on a route thats had problems in recent past?
Is 5408 Euro 6 that might be why if it isn't
Apparently someone said though that 4598 on the 69 a couple of weeks back had it's bonnet ripped off so if 5408 had stayed at Wolverhampton anyway it could have happened anyway
And they are back at on the 29 only diverted one way to Bloxwhich at Blakenall Heath this time
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1754540832407814638?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Based on that time the Kids assuming it was Kids and assuming they go to school would have not long finished.
Interesting tweet from Safer Travel WM with an accompanying letter.
Seems they've forgotten that NX haven't run the 19 for quite some time!
https://twitter.com/ST_Police/status/1755601284877758486
If NX doesn't run a route, no one will know, despite what people say.
Those recent meetings, only NX was mentioned in the public statements relating to it.
No mention of Chaserider or even Walsall Community Transport, who also operate in the area & have also been affected by ASB.
Just spotted this on You Tube.
For the benefit of anyone not familiar with the 19 route.
Bus Route 19 Walsall Bus Station To Bloxwich 4K (youtube.com) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ycWKUozqRo)
Looks like the YT'er who filmed it has filmed other routes as well!
ASB in Leamore this time affecting the 69 and I assume the 70
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1757131084825850018?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 12, 2024, 09:08:27 PMASB in Leamore this time affecting the 69 and I assume the 70
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1757131084825850018?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Surely that should be Beechdale rather than Leamore & the 69 doesnt operate that late surely?
(Sure one of the managers at our place said his dad either works , or had worked at Walsall depot on the 70? Might have a chat next time I see him!)
Quote from: Westy on February 12, 2024, 10:50:07 PMSurely that should be Beechdale rather than Leamore & the 69 doesnt operate that late surely?
(Sure one of the managers at our place said his dad either works , or had worked at Walsall depot on the 70? Might have a chat next time I see him!)
Well whoever wrote the Tweet made several mistakes so it was probably rushed.
Service 19 hours of operation increased from tomorrow(Sunday)
Timetable on Tfwm site.
Just seen on the news Northumbria Police are using a Stagecoach E200 to deter ASB in Plain Clothes they see it happening or get reports and get off. They should do this on the 29 get an NX bus plain clothes officers when they attack the Bus get off and apprehend them. You could put normal passengers on it to. But NX and WMP should do it
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 26, 2024, 09:25:07 AMJust seen on the news Northumbria Police are using a Stagecoach E200 to deter ASB in Plain Clothes they see it happening or get reports and get off. They should do this on the 29 get an NX bus plain clothes officers when they attack the Bus get off and apprehend them. You could put normal passengers on it to. But NX and WMP should do it
You're joking aren't you? That's far too much paperwork for NX 😂😂 oh and then they would have to risk assess & all that BS
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 26, 2024, 11:00:52 AMYou're joking aren't you? That's far too much paperwork for NX 😂😂 oh and then they would have to risk assess & all that BS
It happens all the time on NX. Safer Travel are regularly riding buses in plain clothes
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 26, 2024, 11:00:52 AMYou're joking aren't you? That's far too much paperwork for NX 😂😂 oh and then they would have to risk assess & all that BS
You clearly don't understand WHY risks need to be assessed "& all that BS". Given the increased risks to passengers and staff, that BS will minimise any injury/damage to people and property, and minimise civil/criminal action in the event this happens. Responsible operators take great care and efforts to keep their passengers and staff safe.
I'm sure there'd be plenty of people on this forum quick enough to sue NX and any other bus company that didn't discharge its duties of care or legal obligations with "all that BS".
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1762528966651322708?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
And there back at it after a couple of quiet weeks.
As the evenings get lighter, I wonder......?
Quote from: Westy on February 28, 2024, 10:20:04 AMAs the evenings get lighter, I wonder......?
You would have thought Darker to to not get caught
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 28, 2024, 11:44:04 AMYou would have thought Darker to to not get caught
I don't think there bothered about getting caught
Looks like, according to Walsall Police social media, we have another Section 60 in North Walsall until 545pm tomorrow, as they've received reports.
Stop & search mentioned as well!
The Section 60 got extended until 545pm today.
In other news Walsall Community Transport have posted on their Facebook that the Asb diversions for certain journeys on their 23 & 25 services have ceased, putting those journeys back on the regular route.
Note I flagged elsewhere that when the X51 recently had a timetable change, the stops & posters along the Bloxwich Road that were updated, also had reference to the 25 journey affected being included, this being about a month ago.
Who's paying for the stops & timetable posters to be updated twice in the space of a month, because those have to be paid for dont they?
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2024, 11:26:56 AMThe Section 60 got extended until 545pm today.
In other news Walsall Community Transport have posted on their Facebook that the Asb diversions for certain journeys on their 23 & 25 services have ceased, putting those journeys back on the regular route.
Note I flagged elsewhere that when the X51 recently had a timetable change, the stops & posters along the Bloxwich Road that were updated, also had reference to the 25 journey affected being included, this being about a month ago.
Who's paying for the stops & timetable posters to be updated twice in the space of a month, because those have to be paid for dont they?
Operators pay, so when the X51 changes NX pay for stop changes, when the 326 changes Diamond pay, etc.
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2024, 01:17:25 PMOperators pay, so when the X51 changes NX pay for stop changes, when the 326 changes Diamond pay, etc.
Obviously you can't guarantee with the Asb, but shouldn't there have been some sort of message on the poster saying that the stop for service 25 would only be served while the Asb issue was in operation & to check with the operator?
So does Wct 'pay' to have their info removed then?
Section 60 now extended until Saturday 545pm!
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2024, 02:05:50 PMObviously you can't guarantee with the Asb, but shouldn't there have been some sort of message on the poster saying that the stop for service 25 would only be served while the Asb issue was in operation & to check with the operator?
So does Wct 'pay' to have their info removed then?
I guess it would depend on the circumstances for the route change.
For subsidised services, the contracted route is determined by TfWM, so it might be different for those.
It is possibly the start of things kicking off in Bentley as due to ASB earlier the 37 was diverted of Queen Elizabeth Aveune down Wolverhampton Road to Churchill Aveune. I went to Willenhall Comp and on the Thandi 37 on two occasions I remember some of the excluded kids used to wait outside the Homestead for there friends and started lobbing sweets at Passengers. It hit a women who complained to the Driver, they then fled through the emergency exit after a standoff on Atlee Road, opened the bonnet and turned the Engine off before running off, the Driver pretended the bus had broken down to let most of the Bentley lot off. We all stood at the last bus stop on Atlee Road, he waited then signalled us all, restarted the Engine and did not stop when the kids tried to stop him at the first stop on Queen Elizabeth Aveune. I think one of the excluded kids threw a bottle at the bus. So would hardly be surprised if it does kick off in Bentley but those kids have to be adults by now, roughly a couple of years some of them younger than Me and some where in my year so my age.
Issues on the WN69 route on Bentley Lane opposite Willenhall E-Act Academy around 14.40hrs yesterday - youths throwing sticks and food at passing vehicles. NX were alerted to this and the approaching bus didn't stop for them.
Quote from: Wumpty on March 22, 2024, 10:11:24 AMIssues on the WN69 route on Bentley Lane opposite Willenhall E-Act Academy around 14.40hrs yesterday - youths throwing sticks and food at passing vehicles. NX were alerted to this and the approaching bus didn't stop for them.
The Kids don't finish until 3PM so that might be the Excluded lot who wait for there friends on the last couple of days or Last day of term. Idk when Willenhall Breakes up or Broke up, I assume today as that's when the schools by me break up
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 22, 2024, 12:17:42 PMThe Kids don't finish until 3PM so that might be the Excluded lot who wait for there friends on the last couple of days or Last day of term. Idk when Willenhall Breakes up or Broke up, I assume today as that's when the schools by me break up
They are still at school and is something that the school will no doubt investigate.
Quote from: Wumpty on March 22, 2024, 06:17:01 PMThey are still at school and is something that the school will no doubt investigate.
Yes if half the staff I know are still there they interviewed everyone on the 37 once when there was a fight. Where the Kids in Uniform. Bus CCTV will pick them up and Thwy have broken up now
69 and 70 on Diversion due to ASB on Stephenson Square
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1774466049250889785?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Took longer than expected for them to start but the weather hasn't been great to be honest might have dettered them.
So it's going round the outside of Beechdale then?
(Have they got fed up in Blakenall then?)
And the same again tonight in Beechdale, according to X!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">⚠️ Service Disruption ⚠️ <br><br>Due to an antisocial behaviour at Stephenson Square <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Walsall?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Walsall</a><br><br>🚌 70 will be diverting using Reedswood Way in both directions<br><br>We apologise for any disruption to your journey</p>— NX West Midlands (@nxwestmidlands) <a href="https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1776292150797320566?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Here we go folks!
37 on diversion again due to ASB on Queen Elizabeth Aveune
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1777367502864994626?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
They did this before Easter Holidays first day at School Today, I have to go to Bentley on Thursday albeit I don't cross over Wolverhampton Road I go to the Pavilion
Have they got fed up in Blakenall now?
Seems to be here or Beechdale currently!
Quote from: Westy on April 08, 2024, 09:18:03 PMHave they got fed up in Blakenall now?
Seems to be here or Beechdale currently!
Queen Elizabeth Aveune is possibly on the Green Hill leading up to St Giles Church opposite the Shops or potentially one of the streets just after Wolverhampton Street, if they are attacking the buses and It Isn't just a fight. When I went to Willenhall Comp there would often be fights between kids who lived in Bentley, either after School on the Nisa Feild opposite Stroud Aveune Shops near to the Homestead, or they had fights in ABC Park not sure where that is in Bentley or the Feild behind Atlee Road or on the St Giles Church green, which on a Bentley Facebook Post has seen ASB Before. Intresingly Bentley kids had Beechdale kids or they used to
Quote from: Westy on April 08, 2024, 09:18:03 PMQuote from: Westy on April 08, 2024, 09:18:03 PMHave they got fed up in Blakenall now?
Seems to be here or Beechdale currently!
The local community agencies in Blakenall have been working hard behind the scenes to prevent ASB and some of this work has cascaded to those responsible - I expect this is respite from the ASB rather than a cure (they're also working with influencial local figures who have conveyed their displeasure!).
I expect that as focus has been on Blakenall, then other areas aren't been monitored as much.
Surprised the little sods havent been back to the Kfc at the bottom of my street, as there was a famous video taken in there, in the last 18 months or so!
Quote from: Westy on April 09, 2024, 08:10:01 AMSurprised the little sods havent been back to the Kfc at the bottom of my street, as there was a famous video taken in there, in the last 18 months or so!
We shouldn't tempt fate!
What this does mean is a positive shift for Blakenall passengers and (currently) less stress for NX and their drivers, and long may it last!
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1780992793835417767?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
37 Diverted again due to ASB on Queen Elizabeth Aveune
And they have restarted in Beechdale
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1783962516336280020?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Back at it in Bentley I assume like the 29 the 37 diverts away from Queen Elizabeth Aveune for the rest of service
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1785714379469598775?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 01, 2024, 06:28:09 PMBack at it in Bentley I assume like the 29 the 37 diverts away from Queen Elizabeth Aveune for the rest of service
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1785714379469598775?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
What is actually happening there though?
Quote from: Stu on May 01, 2024, 07:41:18 PMWhat is actually happening there though?
Well whatever is must be enough to affect the 37 I have no idea if Bus windows are getting smashed I haven't heard of any there isn't many places to hide there maybe there hanging around threatening to attack bus drivers or messing with buses. Every now and then they used to mess with the Thandi 37 by opening the Engine and fire exit at the back. They often turned the Engine off this was at like 3PM on Popular Ave or that area with other passengers on board. Whatever it is causes the 37 to be Diverted and that disruptes passengers.
37 was Diverted again last night I didn't know having spent some of the night back in Darlo after celebrating Darlo winning promotion. I walked to Queen Elizabeth Aveune and Wolverhampton Road only to see 4737 on diversion Down Wolverhampton Road. But I have found they do also lob bricks at the Buses in Bentley on Chruch Greeen
@Westy might know that as St Giles Church on Queen Elizabeth Aveune opposite the shops just after the first stop on Queen Elizabeth Aveune. This wasn't an issue a few years ago speaking to someone who used to go Willenhall Comp it is the year 7's and 8's who joined after I left. So as I suspected it would be although half of the staff I remember being there left so maybe discipline On that regard is lacking as the old staff knew what happened on the 41, 69, 37, 333X, 40 back in the day and any asb or Fights they would know. Even the 529 and Willenhall Maccies fight they knew about. Not sure what happened regarded that fight as I don't think it was a school related fight.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 05, 2024, 12:34:51 AM37 was Diverted again last night I didn't know having spent some of the night back in Darlo after celebrating Darlo winning promotion. I walked to Queen Elizabeth Aveune and Wolverhampton Road only to see 4737 on diversion Down Wolverhampton Road. But I have found they do also lob bricks at the Buses in Bentley on Chruch Greeen @Westy might know that as St Giles Church on Queen Elizabeth Aveune opposite the shops just after the first stop on Queen Elizabeth Aveune. This wasn't an issue a few years ago speaking to someone who used to go Willenhall Comp it is the year 7's and 8's who joined after I left. So as I suspected it would be although half of the staff I remember being there left so maybe discipline On that regard is lacking as the old staff knew what happened on the 41, 69, 37, 333X, 40 back in the day and any asb or Fights they would know. Even the 529 and Willenhall Maccies fight they knew about. Not sure what happened regarded that fight as I don't think it was a school related fight.
Must admit, for those of you that have a rough idea where I live, I have a non league club in our road.
I have no idea who they are or what division they are in, despite living less than a minutes walk from the ground.
All I know they are a PITA, along with certain neighbours, with the parking!
I
Quote from: Westy on May 05, 2024, 11:30:15 AMMust admit, for those of you that have a rough idea where I live, I have a non league club in our road.
I have no idea who they are or what division they are in, despite living less than a minutes walk from the ground.
All I know they are a PITA, along with certain neighbours, with the parking!
Bloxwhich United or Lane Head Darlo don't have that issue using Bentley Pavilion which has a big car park and can be extended to run onto the end of the Pitch that is behind the main Pitch, then if we need more we can use the whole of that pitch and then start putting them on the side peice of grass next to the Bar and Stand and then behind the main Pitch behind the goal that the houses on Wrexham Aveune back onto. And I think I've seen them use the Bowling Green out the front. But usually the Opposition used to warm up there and train before coming onto the main pitch. We basically back them up to the River Tame and use the pitches and even as it curves to go back Showcase if we need to.
But no Westy you might know where I mean on Queen Elizabeth Aveune where they are apparently throwing Stones at the buses. So when
@Stu asked what are they doing there I now know there lobbing stones from the Church Hill at buses passing so this presumably only affects Walsall bound services unless they wait for the Willenhall one to if the Walsall service doesn't come and throw them from the Pavement
Looking at Bustimes the 20:05 from Walsall went the normal way as to did the 19:25 Inbound to Walsall operated by 860 it was the 20:25 that Diverted and the 21:05 4865, 4737 then Diverted both ways, with the last bus reverting the normal way. When I checked it was 3 hours since NX tweeted about the Diversion by my reckoning 6 or 7PM. I guess they weren't actually being attacked this time hence the 19:25 and 20:05 ran down Queen Elizabeth Aveune unless it got attacked and they had initially only saw the Kids gathering. I was unlucky I guess