Pensnett Garage

[the trainbasher]

Anyone remeber the route for the old 242/242A/243A

The 242/A were brilliant routes, a half hourly between Halesowen and Dudley (evenings and Sundays), you couldn't go wrong, unfortunately passenger numbers were low and I think that's why they got withdrawn. 243A was a variant of the 243 ran by Diamond, when it got extended to Merry Hill, the 243A ran Dudley to Timbertree (the old 243 route)

The 247/A & 248/A were much better  ;)

Which route were the 247/247A, 248/A ??

Thanks Sh4116

The 247 & 248 were circular services between Stourbridge and Dudley.

The 247 went from Stourbridge, Pedmore Fields, Lye, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley, Netherton, Old Hill, Halesowen, Hasbury, Colley Gate, Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge.

The 248 went in the reverse route.

the A variants would have a slight route variation in Old Hill.

Certain of the PE B6s had extra large fuel tanks fitted for these routes as in the early days (501 - 508 i think), it was quite common for buses to run out of fuel.

247/248 look like preety good routes to ride on, by the looks of it,, parts were replaced by the 297

During the day, it took nearly two hours to do the circle, evenings & Sundays hour & a half.

So its the PE Version of the 11A/C, was it just B6LE's used or was it a mix ?

In the early days it was just B6s as that was the main bus at PE at the time. although am sure that Mercs, B10B & B10Ls also worked it.

Lynx when ran by DY and WB then B6 mon to Friday and B10L on a saturday was the allocation back to B6 on a sun as the B10l's were used for the 120 on a sunday at PN. Then finished with Mercs that made the route much easier. The Route was replaced by 276 extension, 297 extension and new service 242 by NX then 242 was cut from stour to dy to dy to Halesowen and diamond introduced the 142 to replace stour to Halesowen section. Miss the 247/8 was fun to drive!

I remember the 247/248 when first it came to PE from WB. Another bit to note was the 142 doesn't do the full bit of the 247/8 route as they went via Oldswinford Cross up to the Foley Arms then via Pedmore. Also there was a 248C varient which went also via Halesowen College prior to serving Halesowen, 1 trip/day M-F. I remember going out with my dad on the 247/248 whenever i was not at school and my dad was driving. Brings back some memories that route does.

These came IIRC with TWM livery buses, along with the 293/294/295/296/297.

Another varient of the 247/248 was the 246 Dudley - Halesowen (This Direction Only). This was later renumbered to 249 when the current 246 was started.

[Stuharris 6360]

Anyone remeber the route for the old 242/242A/243A

The 242/A were brilliant routes, a half hourly between Halesowen and Dudley (evenings and Sundays), you couldn't go wrong, unfortunately passenger numbers were low and I think that's why they got withdrawn. 243A was a variant of the 243 ran by Diamond, when it got extended to Merry Hill, the 243A ran Dudley to Timbertree (the old 243 route)

The 247/A & 248/A were much better  ;)

Which route were the 247/247A, 248/A ??

Thanks Sh4116

The 247 & 248 were circular services between Stourbridge and Dudley.

The 247 went from Stourbridge, Pedmore Fields, Lye, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley, Netherton, Old Hill, Halesowen, Hasbury, Colley Gate, Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge.

The 248 went in the reverse route.

the A variants would have a slight route variation in Old Hill.

Certain of the PE B6s had extra large fuel tanks fitted for these routes as in the early days (501 - 508 i think), it was quite common for buses to run out of fuel.

247/248 look like preety good routes to ride on, by the looks of it,, parts were replaced by the 297

During the day, it took nearly two hours to do the circle, evenings & Sundays hour & a half.

So its the PE Version of the 11A/C, was it just B6LE's used or was it a mix ?

In the early days it was just B6s as that was the main bus at PE at the time. although am sure that Mercs, B10B & B10Ls also worked it.

Lynx when ran by DY and WB then B6 mon to Friday and B10L on a saturday was the allocation back to B6 on a sun as the B10l's were used for the 120 on a sunday at PN. Then finished with Mercs that made the route much easier. The Route was replaced by 276 extension, 297 extension and new service 242 by NX then 242 was cut from stour to dy to dy to Halesowen and diamond introduced the 142 to replace stour to Halesowen section. Miss the 247/8 was fun to drive!

I remember the 247/248 when first it came to PE from WB. Another bit to note was the 142 doesn't do the full bit of the 247/8 route as they went via Oldswinford Cross up to the Foley Arms then via Pedmore. Also there was a 248C varient which went also via Halesowen College prior to serving Halesowen, 1 trip/day M-F. I remember going out with my dad on the 247/248 whenever i was not at school and my dad was driving. Brings back some memories that route does.

These came IIRC with TWM livery buses, along with the 293/294/295/296/297.

Another varient of the 247/248 was the 246 Dudley - Halesowen (This Direction Only). This was later renumbered to 249 when the current 246 was started.

Had forgotten that, it actually followed the now 298/9 route between Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge via Oldswinford.

[winston]

The 247 & 248 were the result of joining two routes together, the 294 Stourbridge to Dudley and the 297 Dudley to Stourbridge via Halesowen.

Birmingham Coach Company for a while tried to run on the 247/8 between Stourbridge & Dudley running 5 minutes in front of TWM, although the route was cut back to run between Stourbridge & Merry Hill before being withdrawn all together.

Stu, I seem to remember that BCC & WMT did evenutally run at a combined 15 min frequency or close too. BCC did last a while competing I seem to remember. They used to use former Brighton & Hove dual door Nationals on the routes

[Stuharris 6360]

The 247 & 248 were the result of joining two routes together, the 294 Stourbridge to Dudley and the 297 Dudley to Stourbridge via Halesowen.

Birmingham Coach Company for a while tried to run on the 247/8 between Stourbridge & Dudley running 5 minutes in front of TWM, although the route was cut back to run between Stourbridge & Merry Hill before being withdrawn all together.

Stu, I seem to remember that BCC & WMT did evenutally run at a combined 15 min frequency or close too. BCC did last a while competing I seem to remember. They used to use former Brighton & Hove dual door Nationals on the routes

I think they did Winston, although when they ran the combined 15 mins frequency was when i think BCCs passengers started to dwindle. I find it interesting that Diamond have never taken an interest in the 276?

[winston]

The 247 & 248 were the result of joining two routes together, the 294 Stourbridge to Dudley and the 297 Dudley to Stourbridge via Halesowen.

Birmingham Coach Company for a while tried to run on the 247/8 between Stourbridge & Dudley running 5 minutes in front of TWM, although the route was cut back to run between Stourbridge & Merry Hill before being withdrawn all together.

Stu, I seem to remember that BCC & WMT did evenutally run at a combined 15 min frequency or close too. BCC did last a while competing I seem to remember. They used to use former Brighton & Hove dual door Nationals on the routes

I think they did Winston, although when they ran the combined 15 mins frequency was when i think BCCs passengers started to dwindle. I find it interesting that Diamond have never taken an interest in the 276?

Diamond don't seem to be intrested in starting any new commercial routes in competition with NX. Additionally the number of existing commercial services that compete with NX are falling year on year

[nitromatt1]

Anyone remeber the route for the old 242/242A/243A

The 242/A were brilliant routes, a half hourly between Halesowen and Dudley (evenings and Sundays), you couldn't go wrong, unfortunately passenger numbers were low and I think that's why they got withdrawn. 243A was a variant of the 243 ran by Diamond, when it got extended to Merry Hill, the 243A ran Dudley to Timbertree (the old 243 route)

The 247/A & 248/A were much better  ;)

Which route were the 247/247A, 248/A ??

Thanks Sh4116

The 247 & 248 were circular services between Stourbridge and Dudley.

The 247 went from Stourbridge, Pedmore Fields, Lye, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley, Netherton, Old Hill, Halesowen, Hasbury, Colley Gate, Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge.

The 248 went in the reverse route.

the A variants would have a slight route variation in Old Hill.

Certain of the PE B6s had extra large fuel tanks fitted for these routes as in the early days (501 - 508 i think), it was quite common for buses to run out of fuel.

247/248 look like preety good routes to ride on, by the looks of it,, parts were replaced by the 297

During the day, it took nearly two hours to do the circle, evenings & Sundays hour & a half.

So its the PE Version of the 11A/C, was it just B6LE's used or was it a mix ?

In the early days it was just B6s as that was the main bus at PE at the time. although am sure that Mercs, B10B & B10Ls also worked it.

Lynx when ran by DY and WB then B6 mon to Friday and B10L on a saturday was the allocation back to B6 on a sun as the B10l's were used for the 120 on a sunday at PN. Then finished with Mercs that made the route much easier. The Route was replaced by 276 extension, 297 extension and new service 242 by NX then 242 was cut from stour to dy to dy to Halesowen and diamond introduced the 142 to replace stour to Halesowen section. Miss the 247/8 was fun to drive!

I remember the 247/248 when first it came to PE from WB. Another bit to note was the 142 doesn't do the full bit of the 247/8 route as they went via Oldswinford Cross up to the Foley Arms then via Pedmore. Also there was a 248C varient which went also via Halesowen College prior to serving Halesowen, 1 trip/day M-F. I remember going out with my dad on the 247/248 whenever i was not at school and my dad was driving. Brings back some memories that route does.

These came IIRC with TWM livery buses, along with the 293/294/295/296/297.

Another varient of the 247/248 was the 246 Dudley - Halesowen (This Direction Only). This was later renumbered to 249 when the current 246 was started.

Had forgotten that, it actually followed the now 298/9 route between Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge via Oldswinford.

From Pedmore to Stourbridge would it be the 298 or 299 that follows the 247?

[Stuharris 6360]

Anyone remeber the route for the old 242/242A/243A

The 242/A were brilliant routes, a half hourly between Halesowen and Dudley (evenings and Sundays), you couldn't go wrong, unfortunately passenger numbers were low and I think that's why they got withdrawn. 243A was a variant of the 243 ran by Diamond, when it got extended to Merry Hill, the 243A ran Dudley to Timbertree (the old 243 route)

The 247/A & 248/A were much better  ;)

Which route were the 247/247A, 248/A ??

Thanks Sh4116

The 247 & 248 were circular services between Stourbridge and Dudley.

The 247 went from Stourbridge, Pedmore Fields, Lye, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley, Netherton, Old Hill, Halesowen, Hasbury, Colley Gate, Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge.

The 248 went in the reverse route.

the A variants would have a slight route variation in Old Hill.

Certain of the PE B6s had extra large fuel tanks fitted for these routes as in the early days (501 - 508 i think), it was quite common for buses to run out of fuel.

247/248 look like preety good routes to ride on, by the looks of it,, parts were replaced by the 297

During the day, it took nearly two hours to do the circle, evenings & Sundays hour & a half.

So its the PE Version of the 11A/C, was it just B6LE's used or was it a mix ?

In the early days it was just B6s as that was the main bus at PE at the time. although am sure that Mercs, B10B & B10Ls also worked it.

Lynx when ran by DY and WB then B6 mon to Friday and B10L on a saturday was the allocation back to B6 on a sun as the B10l's were used for the 120 on a sunday at PN. Then finished with Mercs that made the route much easier. The Route was replaced by 276 extension, 297 extension and new service 242 by NX then 242 was cut from stour to dy to dy to Halesowen and diamond introduced the 142 to replace stour to Halesowen section. Miss the 247/8 was fun to drive!

I remember the 247/248 when first it came to PE from WB. Another bit to note was the 142 doesn't do the full bit of the 247/8 route as they went via Oldswinford Cross up to the Foley Arms then via Pedmore. Also there was a 248C varient which went also via Halesowen College prior to serving Halesowen, 1 trip/day M-F. I remember going out with my dad on the 247/248 whenever i was not at school and my dad was driving. Brings back some memories that route does.

These came IIRC with TWM livery buses, along with the 293/294/295/296/297.

Another varient of the 247/248 was the 246 Dudley - Halesowen (This Direction Only). This was later renumbered to 249 when the current 246 was started.

Had forgotten that, it actually followed the now 298/9 route between Pedmore Fields & Stourbridge via Oldswinford.

From Pedmore to Stourbridge would it be the 298 or 299 that follows the 247?

298 Matt down through Foley Arms, Oldswinford Cross then Stourbridge.

[karl724223]

Drove the 247/8 route at west brom and pensnett have done the route in deckers from west brom before the A route was introduced no I'm not going through my old diarys for numbers at pensnett 501 to 509 and 544 was big tank buses as when we came down pensnett in 2000 come 1900 they would all run out of fuel lynxes mercs B10Bs and B10Ls have all been on the route

[Stuharris 6360]

Drove the 247/8 route at west brom and pensnett have done the route in deckers from west brom before the A route was introduced no I'm not going through my old diarys for numbers at pensnett 501 to 509 and 544 was big tank buses as when we came down pensnett in 2000 come 1900 they would all run out of fuel lynxes mercs B10Bs and B10Ls have all been on the route

Never knew they converted 544, explains it numerous appearances on the 247/8.

[nitromatt1]

Managed to recreate the 247 this afternoon going Halesowen - Halesowen although cheated slightly by staying on the 142 to Stourbridge as didn't fancy the long wait for the 298. Took just under 3 hours in total.

13:58 142 Halesowen to Stourbridge (20852 - MPD)
14:35 276 Stourbridge to Merry Hill (1573)
15:35 297 Merry Hill to Russells Hall (1518)
about 15:50 246 Russells Hall to Dudley (4811)
16:17 243 Dudley to Old Hill (1536)
16:40 244 Old Hill to Halesowen (1665)
arrived at Halesowen 16:55

There was a 10 minute wait at Stourbridge, 20 minute wait at Merry Hill, 15 minute wait at Dudley and 10 minute wait at Old Hill so subtracting waiting times the round trip was just over 2 hours.

How long would a round trip on the 247 have taken?

[Stuharris 6360]

Managed to recreate the 247 this afternoon going Halesowen - Halesowen although cheated slightly by staying on the 142 to Stourbridge as didn't fancy the long wait for the 298. Took just under 3 hours in total.

13:58 142 Halesowen to Stourbridge (20852 - MPD)
14:35 276 Stourbridge to Merry Hill (1573)
15:35 297 Merry Hill to Russells Hall (1518)
about 15:50 246 Russells Hall to Dudley (4811)
16:17 243 Dudley to Old Hill (1536)
16:40 244 Old Hill to Halesowen (1665)
arrived at Halesowen 16:55

There was a 10 minute wait at Stourbridge, 20 minute wait at Merry Hill, 15 minute wait at Dudley and 10 minute wait at Old Hill so subtracting waiting times the round trip was just over 2 hours.

How long would a round trip on the 247 have taken?

It was around 1 hour 55 minutes, 1 hour 25 on an evening & Sunday.

[Stuharris 6360]

Just been going through some old stuff & found the original timetable for the 247/8, it started on 15 September 1985 and originally went through Pensnett between Brierley Hill & Dudley. First 247 of the day was at 06:25 from Stourbridge arriving back at 08:17.

On the same day, another new service was introduced, the 243 which ran between Dudley & Fatherless Barn. Before then the 244 had run between Fatherless Barn & Wednesbury.

A few weeks later, another new service, this time the 241 between Dudley & Halesowen which  replaced the 205 which had previously run between Dudley & Halesowen.

[winston]

Just been going through some old stuff & found the original timetable for the 247/8, it started on 15 September 1985 and originally went through Pensnett between Brierley Hill & Dudley. First 247 of the day was at 06:25 from Stourbridge arriving back at 08:17.

On the same day, another new service was introduced, the 243 which ran between Dudley & Fatherless Barn. Before then the 244 had run between Fatherless Barn & Wednesbury.

A few weeks later, another new service, this time the 241 between Dudley & Halesowen which  replaced the 205 which had previously run between Dudley & Halesowen.

The 247/248 replaced the previous WMPTE 297 if I remember correctly

[Stuharris 6360]

Just been going through some old stuff & found the original timetable for the 247/8, it started on 15 September 1985 and originally went through Pensnett between Brierley Hill & Dudley. First 247 of the day was at 06:25 from Stourbridge arriving back at 08:17.

On the same day, another new service was introduced, the 243 which ran between Dudley & Fatherless Barn. Before then the 244 had run between Fatherless Barn & Wednesbury.

A few weeks later, another new service, this time the 241 between Dudley & Halesowen which  replaced the 205 which had previously run between Dudley & Halesowen.

The 247/248 replaced the previous WMPTE 297 if I remember correctly

Correct Winston, but also the 294. they had interworked for a while meaning you could travel from Halesowen to Russells Hall.

[wilmotm (Matt Wilmot)]

Completely changing topic but are PE missing any Enviros? Because there was one parked up at Carlyle today along with a Trident, but sadly couldn't ID either