Withdrawn routes

[PM]

Yeah because black diamond arent really withdrawing many routes-theyve won a couple of tenders, dropped the 59 so theyll probably need a few more buses to replace those that they are selling. Anyone got any thoughts on the prices??

[Discodave]

Where are they for sale?

Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
BU53AWP   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
BU53AWR   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
YD02PZJ   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZK   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZL   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZM   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZN   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZO   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YJ51EKM   26/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKB   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKD   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKE   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKF   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKG   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
Y283HUA   01/04/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £20,000
X808NWX   01/09/2000   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
X639AKW   01/09/2000   Dennis Dart 10.7m   Plaxton Pointer 2   39      Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
W447DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500
W446DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500

If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick

[PM]

Where are they for sale?

Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
BU53AWP   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
BU53AWR   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
YD02PZJ   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZK   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZL   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZM   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZN   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZO   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YJ51EKM   26/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKB   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKD   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKE   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKF   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKG   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
Y283HUA   01/04/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £20,000
X808NWX   01/09/2000   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
X639AKW   01/09/2000   Dennis Dart 10.7m   Plaxton Pointer 2   39      Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
W447DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500
W446DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500

If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick

Me too. Id like the centros when they are withdrawn

[Ash]

Where are they for sale?

Rotala seem to be trying to sell them direct, here is the full list if you fancy buying one
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
TBA   2005   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Long Acre    £35,000
BU53AWP   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
BU53AWR   01/09/2003   Mercedes Benz 411 CDI   Sprinter   14   3   Avonmouth    £13,500
YD02PZJ   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZK   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZL   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZM   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZN   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YD02PZO   08/05/2002   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £24,000
YJ51EKM   26/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKB   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKD   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKE   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKF   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
YJ51EKG   01/09/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £23,000
Y283HUA   01/04/2001   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £20,000
X808NWX   01/09/2000   DAF SB120   Wrights Cadet   39   13   Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
X639AKW   01/09/2000   Dennis Dart 10.7m   Plaxton Pointer 2   39      Diamond - Tividale    £14,000
W447DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500
W446DOP   08/03/2000   Dennis Dart 8.8 m   Mini Pointer Dart   29   17   Diamond - Tividale    £12,500

If I had the cash would buy the 02 and 51 plate ones they are in pretty good nick

When ive travelled on the 02 reg ones they seem to make odd noises and sound like there going to break down at any minute but internally there very good and some have been refurned recently

[woody38]

Was on the H59/59 there was about 25 people on it by the time it reached Wolverhampton, Diamond seem to have quite a loyal following many times I have seen people let the NXWM bus go by and wait for the diamond bus.  Diamond have been on the route for about 2 years now, the buses do seem much fuller than they used to be.

They also operate around the hospital as the 59H which NXWM have never done

[winston]

Was on the H59/59 there was about 25 people on it by the time it reached Wolverhampton, Diamond seem to have quite a loyal following many times I have seen people let the NXWM bus go by and wait for the diamond bus.  Diamond have been on the route for about 2 years now, the buses do seem much fuller than they used to be.

They also operate around the hospital as the 59H which NXWM have never done

The 59 route can't be doing that well otherwise it wouldn't be being withdrawn

[Ash]

Last time i saw the diamond 59 it was using solo's also the service doesnt use the bus station which surely must be a disadvantage to get higher loading numbers from Wolverhampton. At the moment tho the solo's get used on any diamond service not matter on how busy the service actually is.

[Discodave]

with the sandwell review all diamond would be good for is solos as reading on other posts its just about sown up for NXWM no hope for anyone else so looks like bye bye for diamond they will be ripe for picking up by another company (black diamond/blue diamond) Arriva maybe?

[Ash]

If the cadets do get sold before the emmission regualtions take place what will be used on the 16 when the rule is brought in as solo's and smaller darts surely wont be suitable in terms of capacity for the service unless diamond are getting replacement vehicles if they get sold with the money they will get for them as the 50 has the centros and the 56 the versa's.

[PM]

Wild stab in the dart but maybe some east lancs esteems from preston as apparently these may be leaving the fleet

[Ash]

I think if the esteems leave preston the reason will be because they have been brought but be good to see them being used with the west midlands on diamond services if stab in the dark becomes reality.

[Nathan4775]

So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....

I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration

So NX are operating the 56/A from whenever ?

[Discodave]

So are diamond stopping the 56 daytime then because its a good route with good loadings.....

I be surprised if it included the commercial journeys, it's probably just the tendered journeys that NXWM have won and are of the same registration

So NX are operating the 56/A from whenever ?

It is just the tendered NXWM are running it as a 935A as per the 56a route and times Tony has told us on another section can't remember where in October

[Nathan4775]

Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site

167-168Erdington-Sutton
97         Birmingham-Solihull
37         Birmingham-Solihull
30         Solihull-Accocks Green

Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??

[winston]

Looks like Rotalo are slimming down there route network, the following rouites are down for withdrawn from October 2012 on the vosa site

167-168Erdington-Sutton
97         Birmingham-Solihull
37         Birmingham-Solihull
30         Solihull-Accocks Green

Is there any replacements for these services and were will the Signature buses end up off the 30 ??

This tells you who has won what:

http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/BusServiceChanges/ServiceChanges211012.pdf