11A/C to be split up?

[MW]

Currently do the 11's terminate as such, like they keep going round & round the circle, until either the bus or driver needs to change, or returns to depot?

The reason I ask is a few years ago, I took a trip on the Circle,  basically just for the sheer hell of it.

I got on at Erdington & continued to Acocks Green depot,  where we were told to change buses to continue our journey.

What is the difference between that and what will happen in 'future ' for now?

If the bus wasn't an 11E that was terminating at Acocks Green, you would have got transferred to another bus for a number of possible reasons such as no relief driver or the bus running very late.

[Mike K]

The main part I took from this is that the changes are temporary. Due to the Perry Barr roadworks

Yep, clearly states that it's a temporary change due to the ongoing works in Perry Barr. Would be madness to change route numbers. It's really not complicated.

[Pat]

Yep, clearly states that it's a temporary change due to the ongoing works in Perry Barr. Would be madness to change route numbers. It's really not complicated.

The roadworks are on schedule, and should be completed by the end of the year.

[BBS]

Thanks for that Steve, I too think some people are reading to much into this, and maybe its the way the timetable has been presented that is causing confusion.

From a cursory look at the timetable from TfWM, both the 11A and 11C look like they are still operating as a 'circular', but new 'layover' points have been added at Erdington and Perry Barr.

It might be the case that buses terminate there, and then turn around to go back the other way. Or they just terminate there for a period of time before continuing on their way.

Its been a while since I've travelled on the 11A/C myself, but I know for a period of time this was already happening at Acocks Green, where buses would layover sometimes for up to 10 minutes. On many occasions there would already be another bus just ahead waiting, which 'through passengers' were invited to change onto.

Some people found it an inconvenience, but many didn't really mind.

Drivers take the mic at Acocks green

[MW]

Drivers take the mic at Acocks green

The issue at Acocks Green is drivers change over at the relief point which can take a few minutes. The next stop (AG Village on 11A) is a timing point and there's usually a few minutes to wait there too. Same as reverse for the 11C.

I know that some drivers drag their heels when taking over because they know they'll be early on the other side of the route/further down the line. From a passenger point of view this can seem like wasted time I guess. This is why having a terminus is so much better. On normal routes you don't tend to see these delays because layover occurs at the ends of the route.

[2206]

I just noticed this on the NX facebook page. I guess these people who answer route queries, etc for NXWM must have no idea what they are on about, as i'm fairly sure the East route is running Acocks Green through to Perry Barr. So they're giving out wrong information to passengers.

"Amy Coughlan Ok sorry please help me National Express West Midlands, I'm travelling from the fox and goose to Witton , do I get to stay on same bus still or do I have to switch over at erdington"

"National Express West Midlands Hi Amy, you will need to change buses when you arrive into Erdington."

[mesub]

Just a thought I had about transfers and tickets:

The NXbus website says that you don't need to buy another ticket if you need to change bus to get to your destination, which is fair enough.

But what stops somebody from buying a single on another NX service and just showing that to the driver at Acocks Green, Perry Barr or Erdington?

Will singles on the 11 now need to be printed off as 11A(or C) single?

[2206]

Just a thought I had about transfers and tickets:

The NXbus website says that you don't need to buy another ticket if you need to change bus to get to your destination, which is fair enough.

But what stops somebody from buying a single on another NX service and just showing that to the driver at Acocks Green, Perry Barr or Erdington?

Will singles on the 11 now need to be printed off as 11A(or C) single?

All tickets have the service number, journey number, etc on them.
So if it doesn't match up when the inspector checks it you can be fined I think.
Tickets being checked on 55/94, 14, X12/X70, 66 yesterday.

[fleetline6477]

Just a thought I had about transfers and tickets:

The NXbus website says that you don't need to buy another ticket if you need to change bus to get to your destination, which is fair enough.

But what stops somebody from buying a single on another NX service and just showing that to the driver at Acocks Green, Perry Barr or Erdington?

Will singles on the 11 now need to be printed off as 11A(or C) single?

Drivers tend not to look at the tickets. Certainly when the old style tickets were in use and most machines only printed faint drivers couldn't read the tickets anyway.

[mesub]

All tickets have the service number, journey number, etc on them.
So if it doesn't match up when the inspector checks it you can be fined I think.
Tickets being checked on 55/94, 14, X12/X70, 66 yesterday.

Ah, I use a swift card so didn't know. Thanks.

[Stu]

NX Bus have updated their article with some additional information.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/11a11c-outer-circle-route-changes

They advise passengers on the 11C travelling beyond Erdington that it is 'easier' to change buses at Stockland Green rather than at Erdington.

[SK68MEV]

on 6138 a bunch of flyers have been ziptagged to the handle bar at the front of the bus about the changes letting people grab one and read one

[sonic84]

Any word on how the changes to the 11 are going?

[BBS]

Any word on how the changes to the 11 are going?

yeah other than the dest it's all normal to be honest.

[SK68MEV]

yeah other than the dest it's all normal to be honest.

boarded a 11C at ward end that was 56 mins late all 11 were stuck together on bromford lane and most come back the opposite way as NIS