South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[Kevin]

Whoops, of course.

Still, a bit disappointing that most of the stops have disappeared.

Anybody know how the Bus Gate is coming along?

Just been past on the 80, the tarmac looks mostly done to be fair, looks like they just need to backfill the non road bits and install lights
However, it does appear to have become a full on road junction with a lane for people wishing to turn right from Islington Row to Bath Row, wasn't aware that this was part of the plan

[Mike K]

Anyone know if the 23/24 will be reverting to a 'non-summer holiday' timetable from 2nd September? There's no new timetable on Traveline and it's only 5 days away.

As things stand, on the current timetables from 3rd Sept the 23 only takes 2 minutes longer than the X22 California to city in the morning peak.

[Steve3229vp]

Anyone know if the 23/24 will be reverting to a 'non-summer holiday' timetable from 2nd September? There's no new timetable on Traveline and it's only 5 days away.

As things stand, on the current timetables from 3rd Sept the 23 only takes 2 minutes longer than the X22 California to city in the morning peak.

The 4, 4A and 6 timetables were on Traveline today, I looked for the 23 and 24 today as well, it will probably appear tomorrow. I'm expecting longer journey times in peaks which are to be expected so the PVR will increase but i think they will still be every 9 minutes each.

[Mike K]

The 4, 4A and 6 timetables were on Traveline today, I looked for the 23 and 24 today as well, it will probably appear tomorrow. I'm expecting longer journey times in peaks which are to be expected so the PVR will increase but i think they will still be every 9 minutes each.

I'm hoping they go to every 8 mins - I've seen other every 8 min timetables that have changed to every 9 mins for the summer period although I can't remember which. I'm also hoping there might be some extra peak journeys on both routes. With the 22 and 29 gone and overall fewer buses city to Harborne the loadings have increased notably, and buses can be very full from city when there is a slight gap in the service in the evening peak.

[Steveminor]

But full buses are good for revenue & good for the environment, what's the use in using 2 buses to carry the same amount of people as 1 bus can carry. Waste of capacity & waste of money plus twice the amount of emissions.

[Mike K]

But full buses are good for revenue & good for the environment, what's the use in using 2 buses to carry the same amount of people as 1 bus can carry. Waste of capacity & waste of money plus twice the amount of emissions.

I mean full to the point where I was virtually sitting on the driver's lap one day last week.

[Tony]

I mean full to the point where I was virtually sitting on the driver's lap one day last week.

Delays will mean that can happen however many buses are on the route

[Mike K]

The 4, 4A and 6 timetables were on Traveline today, I looked for the 23 and 24 today as well, it will probably appear tomorrow. I'm expecting longer journey times in peaks which are to be expected so the PVR will increase but i think they will still be every 9 minutes each.

23 and 24 timetables finally up, they will be every 8 mins each during the day, 7-8 mins in the morning peak. I have to admit that whilst I had a moan about some aspects of the South Birmingham review, from a personal perspective my local bus service has actually improved for the peak hour times that I use it - same number of buses per hour as the old 22/23 combined, but spaced evenly every 7-8 mins instead of that ridiculous 5 then 10 min frequency (aka 2 every 15 mins).

Now if they'll just divert them away from Smallbrook Queensway...  :)

[Trident 4194]

23 and 24 timetables finally up, they will be every 8 mins each during the day, 7-8 mins in the morning peak. I have to admit that whilst I had a moan about some aspects of the South Birmingham review, from a personal perspective my local bus service has actually improved for the peak hour times that I use it - same number of buses per hour as the old 22/23 combined, but spaced evenly every 7-8 mins instead of that ridiculous 5 then 10 min frequency (aka 2 every 15 mins).

Now if they'll just divert them away from Smallbrook Queensway...  :)

I find the link quite handy far too many buses just go to colmore row

[Mike K]

I find the link quite handy far too many buses just go to colmore row

I know it's a handy link for some. But for commuting from the Colmore Row area home it's massively frustrating how long it takes to get round town. Selfish I know...

I now either walk to Brindley Place or if the weather's bad catch a Hagley Road bus and change there.

[Jack]

I find the link quite handy far too many buses just go to colmore row

I agree, too many buses shoved at Colmore Row, feels so far out if I'm honest.

[2206]

I notice, lots of cars were using the Broad Street Bus Lane this evening at 19:15.

[Trident 4194]

I know it's a handy link for some. But for commuting from the Colmore Row area home it's massively frustrating how long it takes to get round town. Selfish I know...

I now either walk to Brindley Place or if the weather's bad catch a Hagley Road bus and change there.

I was about to suggest getting on a broad street bus and get off and change there.

[2206]

I was about to suggest getting on a broad street bus and get off and change there.

Why do you need to suggest that (he's already said he does that when the weathers bad), its quite obvious how to get there, and he has already said he doesn't sit on the bus for the full City Loop and walks to Broad Street (It only takes me about 7/8 - 10 minutes to walk to Broad Street from Colmore Row),  or just gets on a Hagley Road bus if the weathers bad

[Kevin]

Anyone in the know willing to divulge on the official route for the X20 in Rednal?
I've been on ones in both directions that have gone straight along Ashill Road but two city bound ones that have turned onto Cliff Rock Road (entirely inappropriate road for a double decker) to reach Leach Green Lane and down to the flyover

Also, interestingly the X20 I'm on atm has used the old 98/X64 route into town round Five Ways, just using Wheeleys Road all the way to Islington Row instead which was a hairy experience on a double decker. Also stopped at Five Ways, not sure if he was meant to