South Birmingham Consultation 2017

[CL]

Also, anyone got any speculation of to what the branding will be??? Colours etc....

Green, i'd imagine! 😂

[Mike K]

Does anyone know the exact routes that the X20 X21 X22 will take?

Remains to be seen but looking back at the original proposal document and the map that went with it, it had at least 3 routes between the QE and city, all of them showing as going via the current 98/X64 routes into town. These included a replacement for the 98 (looks like that will be the X20), the 22 (X22), and a new 21 (which looks like it will be the X21 but seems quite different to the route in the proposal document). It also said that the plan was to have a more frequent service along this route.

The document also proposed that the frequency of the 24 would increase, so maybe the 23/24 will each run every 7/8 minutes, meaning a drop in frequency of only 2 buses an hour between Harborne and city. Fingers crossed.

[Steve3229vp]

National Express West Midlands have replied on their Facebook visitors section to someones enquiry that the South Birmingham changes will not be published until early July ........ yet the 10A new Lichfield extension is published now for the same start date, why ?

[Kevin]

National Express West Midlands have replied on their Facebook visitors section to someones enquiry that the South Birmingham changes will not be published until early July ........ yet the 10A new Lichfield extension is published now for the same start date, why ?

Sounds fairly standard for all the previous network reviews... Which is pretty unfair to passengers given the amount of change it incorporates

[Straightlines]

National Express West Midlands have replied on their Facebook visitors section to someones enquiry that the South Birmingham changes will not be published until early July ........ yet the 10A new Lichfield extension is published now for the same start date, why ?

Gives less time for the negativity on Social Media I suppose!

I wonder how many passengers have actually asked for these 'improvements'

[MasterPlan]

I wonder how many passengers have actually asked for these 'improvements'

Well that's just it. I'd love to see evidence of people asking for this...

[winston]

PD0001111/495 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Solihull to Northfield via Maypole
Service number: 49 (49, 49S)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/534 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Maypole, Maypole Lane to Harborne, Metchley Lane via Kings Heath, Bournville, Northfield
Service number: 27 (27)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/46 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Yardley Wood Garage to Bartley Green, Romsley Road via Cotteridge and Northfield
Service number: 18 (18)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/28 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Five Ways to Acocks Green Village via Moseley
Service number: 1 (1, 1A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/39 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Woodcock Hill via Weoley Castle
Service number: X64 (X21)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/112 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Frankley via Selly Oak, Northfield
Service number: 63 (63, 61)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/123 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Longbridge via Cotteridge
Service number: 45 (45, 47, 47S)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/27 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Woodgate Valley North via Harborne
Service number: 24 (24)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/24 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Newman University via Harborne
Service number: 22 (23)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/772 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Woodgate via University
Service number: X22 (X22)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

PD0001111/106 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LIMITED
Route: Birmingham to Rednal via University and Northfield
Service number: 98 (X20)
Service type: Limited Stop
Effective date: 22 Jul 2018

[Gareth]

Well that's just it. I'd love to see evidence of people asking for this...

It's not just about passengers asking for change. It's NXWM hopefully improving their services by having an easier to understand network and possibly a more reliable service.
X20, X21, X22, 22, 23 and 24 make more sense than the out of sequence 98 and X64.

What I do agree with though is once details are finalised then the maximum amount of time should be given to passengers ahead of the changes. Quite often it's the lack of information that's more confusing than a new route number or slight route change.

[MasterPlan]

It's not just about passengers asking for change. It's NXWM hopefully improving their services by having an easier to understand network and possibly a more reliable service.
X20, X21, X22, 22, 23 and 24 make more sense than the out of sequence 98 and X64.

I wasn't talking about numbering. I highly doubt people will be fussed about that.

If you think that sending more services via the Uni will make things better then I'm afraid you'll be in for a bit of disappointment...

As for simplifying things, any chance of these X routes sharing a terminus with the 23 and 24?

[markcf83]

I'd suspect the newest Platinum buses will get branding of some description once the new look network has bedded in.

[BigDaddyCool]

I hate routes that go via the QE - traffic is awful. I really wish something could be done regards to rerouting....

Trying to work out which services will now (potentially) serve Weoley Castle??? Can anyone assist?

[MasterPlan]

I hate routes that go via the QE - traffic is awful. I really wish something could be done regards to rerouting....

Trying to work out which services will now (potentially) serve Weoley Castle??? Can anyone assist?

Links to the QE are needed though. The loadings prove that.

By the looks of it an irregular X21 which won't be limited stop. Maybe the 27 also, that'll only go as far as Metchley Lane for some reason.

But that's it. Chunks of the 29 route won't be covered.

[Eric Shaw]

With the 49 and 76 still running into Solihull, what will YW use for these routes as the euro4 requirement comes in on that date? AG will have the same problem on the 72 and 73.

[Jack]

With the 49 and 76 still running into Solihull, what will YW use for these routes as the euro4 requirement comes in on that date? AG will have the same problem on the 72 and 73.

The trapped Tridents? 4382-4394 and 4565-77, wonder if  there will be enough for the 49 and 76 as well as the 2/3/6 as well as the 35 which are the second type if there's no spare E400's.

Diamond will have to use minimum Euro 4 Solo's on the 30, currently a mix of Euro 3/Euro 4 Solo's alongside Euro 5 20884, Solo SR.

[Mike K]

The trapped Tridents? 4382-4394 and 4565-77, wonder if  there will be enough for the 49 and 76 as well as the 2/3/6 as well as the 35 which are the second type if there's no spare E400's.

Diamond will have to use minimum Euro 4 Solo's on the 30, currently a mix of Euro 3/Euro 4 Solo's alongside Euro 5 20884, Solo SR.

Could be some spare compliant buses going at BC by July 22nd...  ;)