Repaints / retrims 2015

[Stuharris 6360]

Are there no plans to send these off for the new livery at all?

Would be nice to see some PE buses go in for repaint now and start seeing more of the new livery but I would guess the B7s will be the last to go for painting.

I agree, but Tony says buses are being repainted into new livery by route.

However as NE have said that 6116 -22 are multiuser and can be used on the 140/1/241, then surely a number of Tridents should be repainted to fully convert these routes!

[s94]

I agree, but Tony says buses are being repainted into new livery by route.

However as NE have said that 6116 -22 are multiuser and can be used on the 140/1/241, then surely a number of Tridents should be repainted to fully convert these routes!

Indeed. Can understand the current system for consistency etc. I think the omnilinks and E400s look superb in the new livery. Will just have to wait our turn I suppose at this end of the network. Hopefully it won't be too long now. Maybe before Christmas? Who knows! Lol. :)

[Stu]

Would be nice to see some Geminis at AG repainted in to the new livery, maybe for the 1 or 11A/C routes? I think it was mentioned as a rumour about branding for the 1, would suit the 1 really as it would then complement the already-Crimson single decks that will get used more regularly at evenings and on Sundays.

[winston]

Indeed. Can understand the current system for consistency etc. I think the omnilinks and E400s look superb in the new livery. Will just have to wait our turn I suppose at this end of the network. Hopefully it won't be too long now. Maybe before Christmas? Who knows! Lol. :)

There's only 3 more WB E400's to be done after current batch, the Dundee B7RLE's are virtually done and there's only 1 more NXC E400 to do after the current batch going through refurb are completed. This should then allow for a couple of new batches of buses/routes to be treated to Crimson

[BU07 LGO]

I agree, but Tony says buses are being repainted into new livery by route.

However as NE have said that 6116 -22 are multiuser and can be used on the 140/1/241, then surely a number of Tridents should be repainted to fully convert these routes!

I think I read somewhere that if the tridents/Geminis have a DPF filter installed (like London) they will be euro 5? So maybe NX could consider this?

[winston]

I think I read somewhere that if the tridents/Geminis have a DPF filter installed (like London) they will be euro 5? So maybe NX could consider this?

I thought the exhaust traps improved the emissions by one Euro rating i.e. Euro 3 would become a Euro 4 etc?

[Tony]

I thought the exhaust traps improved the emissions by one Euro rating i.e. Euro 3 would become a Euro 4 etc?

Traps cost up to £20,000 per bus so the value on a 12 year old bus has to be considered, but yes they can take a bus up to Euro 5 quality

[winston]

Traps cost up to £20,000 per bus so the value on a 12 year old bus has to be considered, but yes they can take a bus up to Euro 5 quality

I didn't realize it improved the emissions by 2 ratings, wouldn't it be cheaper to put a new Euro 5 engine in as you would also benefit from improve fuel economy / reduced maintenance etc. Obviously only in buses with sufficient life left where the costs could be recouped

[Tony]

I didn't realize it improved the emissions by 2 ratings, wouldn't it be cheaper to put a new Euro 5 engine in as you would also benefit from improve fuel economy / reduced maintenance etc. Obviously only in buses with sufficient life left where the costs could be recouped

Putting a new engine in a Gemini if it is possible would cost around £40,000 because of all the mods required

[winston]

Putting a new engine in a Gemini if it is possible would cost around £40,000 because of all the mods required

I presume when you're looking at that kind of money, it is more cost effective to buy new

[Stuharris 6360]

Putting a new engine in a Gemini if it is possible would cost around £40,000 because of all the mods required

would you be able to recoup £40,000 per bus before the Geminis are eventually withdrawn, doubtful I would have thought!

[Tony]

would you be able to recoup £40,000 per bus before the Geminis are eventually withdrawn, doubtful I would have thought!

You probably could as the B7 is a decent chassis, Wrights bodies don't rot and most engines will give you about 8 years service average, it is whether a company would consider it more value for money than buying new. To put a new Euro 6 B5 engine in, which is what you would need to do to get value for money because Birmingham goes Euro 6 in 2020 would also need a new gearbox, hence the cost

[Stuharris 6360]

When do the early Tridents become non compliant ?

[winston]

When do the early Tridents become non compliant ?

May 2017 without any mods

[Stuharris 6360]

May 2017 without any mods

Thanks @Winston, take it by then some may be withdrawn, but some later ones modified?