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Variation Accepted: Operating between Mossley to Walsall and Mossley to Walsall given service number 31/32 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Bilston or Willenhall given service number 34/37/39 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre and Chelmsley Wood/Resorts World given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Dudley, Bus Station and Walsall, Bradford Place given service number 11/13 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Burntwood to Walsall and Burntwood to Walsall given service number 10/10A effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Dudley and Birmingham or Halesowen given service number 140/241 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre and Rubery Great Park given service number 98 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Frankley and Birmingham City Centre given service number 61/63 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Longbridge and Birmingham City Centre given service number 45/47/47S effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Wolverhampton given service number 69 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between West Bromwich to Merry Hill and West Bromwich to Merry Hill given service number 289 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Halesowen and Birmingham City Centre given service number 99 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Castle Vale and Erdington given service number 38 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Hayley Green to Dudley and Hayley Green to Dudley given service number 243/244 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Blackheath, Halesowen or Merry Hill given service number 4/4H/4M effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Pelsall or Wolverhampton given service number 8/89 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre and Solihull given service number 73 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Kingshurst and Birmingham City Centre given service number 59 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton to Willenhall and Wolverhampton to Willenhall given service number 28 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Walsgrave Hospital and Chapelfields given service number 1 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Boney Hay and Birmingham given service number X56 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Digbeth and City Centre given service number 875 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Morrisons and Finham Park given service number FP2 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
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Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Birmingham
Finish Point: Pensnett
Via: Halesowen and Merry Hill
Service Number: X10
Service Type: Limited Stop
Effective Date: 24-JUL-2016
Other Details: New Service
How very interesting.
So all the proposed Walsall look to be going ahead. I imagine the timetable changes will be summer timetables.
Ive noticed from the X10, finishing point Pensnett? All journeys or just some? We'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2016, 01:23:04 PM
How very interesting.
So all the proposed Walsall look to be going ahead. I imagine the timetable changes will be summer timetables.
Ive noticed from the X10, finishing point Pensnett? All journeys or just some? We'll have to wait and see.
Also strangely no cancellation notice for the 141, although I suppose that could appear on another day.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
Also strangely no cancellation notice for the 141, although I suppose that could appear on another day.
Yes I thought the same, unless they are keeping it, which would be better for those looking for specific stops on Hagley road or Quinton.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
Also strangely no cancellation notice for the 141, although I suppose that could appear on another day.
Isn't the 141 on the same registration as the 140 / 241? That has a route & timetable change planned.
I wonder if the X10 will get the full treatment including new Platinum Spec double deckers?
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
I wonder if the X10 will get the full treatment including new Platinum Spec double deckers?
I have heard rumours that 3302-3305 are due soon and are to be branded for the X10 (Driver talk though so can't rely on it ;D )
So the Walsall services appear to be renumbered, expected. But route changes as well?
Quote from: Kevin on May 31, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
So the Walsall services appear to be renumbered, expected. But route changes as well?
I would assume the 89 would miss out Trevor Road section and to be re-routed to Bentley Bridge. A driver friend at Walsall showed me the updated destination on 4105 and 4127. The LED displayed "9 Walsall via Wednesfield, Bloxwich, and Pelsall" and "9 Wolverhampton via Pelsall, Bloxwich, Wednesfield, and Bentley Bridge Retail Park". The flipdot matrix displays the same via points but the difference is that it displays "Bentley Bridge". He discovered this on 4105 by accident because he was changing from 89 to 8 and he accidentally pressed one more time to "9" and it worked.
Quote from: P419 EJW on May 31, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
I would assume the 89 would miss out Trevor Road section and to be re-routed to Bentley Bridge. A driver friend at Walsall showed me the updated destination on 4105 and 4127. The LED displayed "9 Walsall via Wednesfield, Bloxwich, and Pelsall" and "9 Wolverhampton via Pelsall, Bloxwich, Wednesfield, and Bentley Bridge Retail Park". The flipdot matrix displays the same via points but the difference is that it displays "Bentley Bridge". He discovered this on 4105 by accident because he was changing from 89 to 8 and he accidentally pressed one more time to "9" and it worked.
Scrolling?
Quote from: P419 EJW on May 31, 2016, 02:53:13 PM
I would assume the 89 would miss out Trevor Road section and to be re-routed to Bentley Bridge. A driver friend at Walsall showed me the updated destination on 4105 and 4127. The LED displayed "9 Walsall via Wednesfield, Bloxwich, and Pelsall" and "9 Wolverhampton via Pelsall, Bloxwich, Wednesfield, and Bentley Bridge Retail Park". The flipdot matrix displays the same via points but the difference is that it displays "Bentley Bridge". He discovered this on 4105 by accident because he was changing from 89 to 8 and he accidentally pressed one more time to "9" and it worked.
It appears it is staying as the 89 looking at the registration (which is sensible considering there is already the Arriva 9 that serves Wolverhampton)
Quote from: Dom on May 31, 2016, 03:11:24 PM
Scrolling?
The LED via points were scrolling.
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2016, 03:12:14 PM
It appears it is staying as the 89 looking at the registration (which is sensible considering there is already the Arriva 9 that serves Wolverhampton)
Hmm, then why the "9" was there? I reckon it will change to 9 to suit the route numbers on Lichfield Road - 8, 9, 10, 10A - (I do not know whether if this is true or not).
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2016, 03:12:14 PM
It appears it is staying as the 89 looking at the registration (which is sensible considering there is already the Arriva 9 that serves Wolverhampton)
I don't think the route numbers change on the registration. I'm happy to be proven wrong if this has happened before though.
This is similar to the questions asked every time a terminus changes but the registration does not change and people never fail to ask if the route change is going ahead or not.
Quote from: P419 EJW on May 31, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
The LED via points were scrolling.
Hmm, then why the "9" was there? I reckon it will change to 9 to suit the route numbers on Lichfield Road - 8, 9, 10, 10A - (I do not know whether if this is true or not).
The reason i say, if you look at the registrations, all the other WA changes have the updated numbers, the 89 is still shown on the reg. Guess will find out soon enough.
Also, i noticed the number 37 in the Darlaston Changes?
@NXWM Spectra they've changed on the other WA routes that are changing
Quote from: Nathan on May 31, 2016, 03:31:57 PM
The reason i say, if you look at the registrations, all the other WA changes have the updated numbers, the 89 is still shown on the reg. Guess will find out soon enough.
Also, i noticed the number 37 in the Darlaston Changes?
@NXWM Spectra they've changed on the other WA routes that are changing
You're right. But surely the 9 wouldn't have been put into the displays if the number wasn't changing?
I don't understand even now what the point was in changing the route numbers the 3xx and 5xx etc was a good system. Now you just have stupid duplication of route numbers etc like the 31 in brum 31 in Walsall. Don't see what the need to mess about with a perfectly good system was ?
Quote from: Bob on May 31, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I don't understand even now what the point was in changing the route numbers the 3xx and 5xx etc was a good system. Now you just have stupid duplication of route numbers etc like the 31 in brum 31 in Walsall. Don't see what the need to mess about with a perfectly good system was ?
I agree entirely, the system for 2xx for Dudley/Stourbridge, 3xx for Walsall, 4xx for Sandwell and 5xx for Wolverhampton was a good system
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 31, 2016, 05:48:39 PM
I agree entirely, the system for 2xx for Dudley/Stourbridge, 3xx for Walsall, 4xx for Sandwell and 5xx for Wolverhampton was a good system
Totally agree, pity the poor guy who has to visit all the bus stops between Dudley & Walsall just to remove a 3 from the flags, they must have better work that he could be doing like changing all the worn out faded flags!!
Quote from: Winston on May 31, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
I wonder if the X10 will get the full treatment including new Platinum Spec double deckers?
I've heard rumors that it will.
Quote from: Bob on May 31, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I don't understand even now what the point was in changing the route numbers the 3xx and 5xx etc was a good system. Now you just have stupid duplication of route numbers etc like the 31 in brum 31 in Walsall. Don't see what the need to mess about with a perfectly good system was ?
I vehemently concur; the old number system was brilliant. I've said the same to drivers whilst discussing about the upcoming changes. One said "Apparently it is expensive to have three digit numbers." I think that's an amusing response but who knows... Hmm... ::)
Quote from: P419 EJW on May 31, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
I vehemently concur; the old number system was brilliant. I've said the same to drivers whilst discussing about the upcoming changes. One said "Apparently it is expensive to have three digit numbers." I think that's an amusing response but who knows... Hmm... ::)
What baffles me is why NXWM having duplicate numbers is alleged to confuse locals and annoy enthusiasts, yet loads of other companies do, including Arriva Midlands, but it is OK for them
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2016, 06:29:02 PM
What baffles me is why NXWM having duplicate numbers is alleged to confuse locals and annoy enthusiasts, yet loads of other companies do, including Arriva Midlands, but it is OK for them
yes but is it NXWM who is making these decisions or Network West Midlands.
It was in the early 1970s that WMPTE said they wanted to standardise numbers to avoid confusion and the 2xx Dudley 5xx Wolverhampton scheme worked very well, IMO if the system ain't broken, don't try and mend it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 06:15:53 PM
Totally agree, pity the poor guy who has to visit all the bus stops between Dudley & Walsall just to remove a 3 from the flags, they must have better work that he could be doing like changing all the worn out faded flags!!
Wouldnt they do new flags anyway?
Quote from: Westy on May 31, 2016, 06:46:21 PM
Wouldnt they do new flags anyway?
probably but it still seems a waste of time.
Quote from: Bob on May 31, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
I don't understand even now what the point was in changing the route numbers the 3xx and 5xx etc was a good system. Now you just have stupid duplication of route numbers etc like the 31 in brum 31 in Walsall. Don't see what the need to mess about with a perfectly good system was ?
But those two examples are routes nowhere near each other (geographically). You'd have to be very dim to get those mixed up. There are bus route 31s all over the country, would people get those confused with each other?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 06:34:09 PM
yes but is it NXWM who is making these decisions or Network West Midlands.
I believe it is Centro/Network West Midlands who are doing this, on the back of feedback received from passengers. It's not being done for a laugh. The idea I believe is to give each area it's own 'local network'.
Quote from: P419 EJW on May 31, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
One said "Apparently it is expensive to have three digit numbers." I think that's an amusing response but who knows... Hmm... ::)
Sounds like someone trying to pull your leg! I've suggested this before, but with most buses having digital destination displays now (whether LED or flipdot), a three digit route number takes up a lot of room on the display, so having a one or two-digit route number allows more room for the destination and via points to be displayed clearly. That's my theory anyway! ;)
The 31 & 32 details are slightly incorrect, unless they are extending both routes onto the Turnberry & interworking?
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2016, 06:29:02 PM
What baffles me is why NXWM having duplicate numbers is alleged to confuse locals and annoy enthusiasts, yet loads of other companies do, including Arriva Midlands, but it is OK for them
Arriva never had the good system (2xx 3xx) that the west midlands have
Where can we see the stops of the new X10 route?
No mention of the WA40 being replaced by the 33? Or have I missed something?
Quote from: Metroman on May 31, 2016, 08:45:16 PM
Where can we see the stops of the new X10 route?
@Metroman , Karl says
Colmore row all stops to five ways
First stop Hagley road after five ways under pass
Ivy bush
Portland road
Gillett road
Sandon road
Bearwood after lights
Wolverhampton road
Jeffersons
Quinton.
Sure that is similar to the old X2, 902 Limited stop services between Birmingham & Hasbury
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
@Metroman , Karl says
Colmore row all stops to five ways
First stop Hagley road after five ways under pass
Ivy bush
Portland road
Gillett road
Sandon road
Bearwood after lights
Wolverhampton road
Jeffersons
Quinton.
Sure that is similar to the old X2, 902 Limited stop services between Birmingham & Hasbury
they were only my thoughts
Any news on the previous rumour that the 966 is ditching the Erdington end? I see the 38 is revised which may have something to do with this but nothing there on the 966.
What are they doing to cover the deregistered X56? (If anything)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 31, 2016, 09:05:22 PM
@Metroman , Karl says
Colmore row all stops to five ways
First stop Hagley road after five ways under pass
Ivy bush
Portland road
Gillett road
Sandon road
Bearwood after lights
Wolverhampton road
Jeffersons
Quinton.
Sure that is similar to the old X2, 902 Limited stop services between Birmingham & Hasbury
Thank you.
Quote from: andy41 on June 01, 2016, 05:55:28 PM
Any news on the previous rumour that the 966 is ditching the Erdington end? I see the 38 is revised which may have something to do with this but nothing there on the 966.
What are they doing to cover the deregistered X56? (If anything)
@andy41 an extension on the 937 (i assume a single trip extending)
Quote from: Nathan on June 01, 2016, 06:03:22 PM
@andy41 an extension on the 937 (i assume a single trip extending)
wouldn't be easier to extend a 936 journey as it is peak only service !
Quote from: Nathan on June 01, 2016, 06:03:22 PM
@andy41 an extension on the 937 (i assume a single trip extending)
Thanks. I find the commuter routes around there pretty confusing now compared to what went before.
Why dont they try running a proper service instead of these peak only journeys?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on May 31, 2016, 05:48:39 PM
I agree entirely, the system for 2xx for Dudley/Stourbridge, 3xx for Walsall, 4xx for Sandwell and 5xx for Wolverhampton was a good system
As do I. At least then I knew where I stood.
Quote from: Westy on June 01, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
Why dont they try running a proper service instead of these peak only journeys?
Its a valid point although Im assuming NX would but they dont think the demand is their ?
Looks like the Coventry road services have a route change, could that be connected to Brum city centre changes ?
Quote from: Westy on June 01, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
Why dont they try running a proper service instead of these peak only journeys?
I honestly think making the X56 a regular service between Burntwood or Brownhills and Birmingham wouldn't be a bad idea. It's a fast way into Birmingham which I think more people would use if it was a proper service. But I can also see a possible demand for Burntwood as I've seen the 10's load. When I did a round trip on it before I noticed a few people used the 10 to connect to Birmingham bound services.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 01, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
I honestly think making the X56 a regular service between Burntwood or Brownhills and Birmingham wouldn't be a bad idea. It's a fast way into Birmingham which I think more people would use if it was a proper service. But I can also see a possible demand for Burntwood as I've seen the 10's load. When I did a round trip on it before I noticed a few people used the 10 to connect to Birmingham bound services.
Surely though if the demand was there for an all day service, there would be one. The 155 and before that the 944 provided an all day service between Birmingham and Burntwood / Boney Hay but there hasn't been a daytime service for years now.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Brownhills to Birmingham and Brownhills to Birmingham given service number 934/935/936/937/937A effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
City centre route changes ?
Most of the lists now seem to have the correct terminal points, so I wonder if someone at DVSA is now correcting them on the system and because terminal points are changed they show as route changes as well as timetable
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Yardley Wood Garage and Bartley Green, Romsley Road given service number 18 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Dudley or Darlaston given service number 74/74N/75 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and West Bromwich given service number 79 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsgrave Hospital and Hen Lane given service number 4 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Rail Station and Woodway Park given service number 8/8A/8S/9/9A/9S effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Willenhall and Wood End given service number 21/21S effective from
24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Coventrians
Finish Point: Coventrians
Via: Lythalls Lane
Service Number: 102
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 03-JUN-2016
Other Details: Shuttle service for Bruce Springsteen and Rihanna concerts at Ricoh Arena on 3 June 2016 and 25 June 2016
with it been 6 weeks away to the Dudley & Walsall changes when can we expect to see the changes on line
Quote from: Solo1 on June 12, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
with it been 6 weeks away to the Dudley & Walsall changes when can we expect to see the changes on line
A few weeks before.
Well, the 75's changes are up.. ;)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/have-your-say-on-proposed-walsall-bus-service-changes
Most of the things listed in the document appear to be happening.
Quote from: clayderman on June 12, 2016, 11:28:10 PM
Well, the 75's changes are up.. ;)
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where please?
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No weekly update from NWM last week either.
Quote from: mikestone on June 13, 2016, 01:10:56 PM
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where please?
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No weekly update from NWM last week either.
PD0001111/81 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Dudley or
Darlaston given service number 74/74N/75 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
The bit highlighted should give you a clue.
Quote from: Nathan on June 13, 2016, 02:25:52 PM
PD0001111/81 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Dudley or Darlaston given service number 74/74N/75 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
The bit highlighted should give you a clue.
Does that mean the 75 has been extended or curtailed to/from Wednesbury??
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 13, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Does that mean the 75 has been extended or curtailed to/from Wednesbury??
It would mean the 75 would be extended to Darlaston from Wednesbury.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 13, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Does that mean the 75 has been extended or curtailed to/from Wednesbury??
In the proposals booklet (avaliable on the NX website), it says it would be extended to replace the 38 (Walsall-Wednesbury) on the Wednesbury-Darlaston section.
Todays weekly update from Centro confirms the changes are pretty much as proposed, but oddly says the 75 will run via the existing 79 route, but that the 79 has an unspecified amended route - is it reverting to Stafford Road, running straight into Darlaston instead of Woden Road or something completely different?
You know what, they might as well just extend the 75 that bit beyond Darlaston to Bilston. And to be fair it's not much further from there to Wolves is it, maybe just merge the two routes and call it the 79........
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Quote from: Kevin on June 13, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
You know what, they might as well just extend the 75 that bit beyond Darlaston to Bilston. And to be fair it's not much further from there to Wolves is it, maybe just merge the two routes and call it the 79........
[/endsarcasm]
I appreciate your post is sarcastic, but before anyone else jumps on and says why not remember that would half the number of buses between West Bromwich and Wednesbury (soon Darlaston)
Quote from: Kevin on June 13, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
You know what, they might as well just extend the 75 that bit beyond Darlaston to Bilston. And to be fair it's not much further from there to Wolves is it, maybe just merge the two routes and call it the 79........
[/endsarcasm]
Wonder what might happen if NE loose the franchise to run The Metro, maybe the 79 would return to Birmingham. Certainly cheaper than the Metro!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2016, 08:08:47 PM
Wonder what might happen if NE loose the franchise to run The Metro, maybe the 79 would return to Birmingham. Certainly cheaper than the Metro!!
Off peak I'd certainly spend the extra quid on the Metro compared to bus. £4 daysaver, £5 on metro. Old 79 was 100 minutes one way? Current Metro 40 minutes. So there and back, £1 extra to save 2 hours?
Then again, £5.40 return on the train so which is even quicker so why even consider the bus or Metro
Quote from: uniquicity on June 13, 2016, 08:17:30 PM
Off peak I'd certainly spend the extra quid on the Metro compared to bus. £4 daysaver, £5 on metro. Old 79 was 100 minutes one way? Current Metro 40 minutes. So there and back, £1 extra to save 2 hours?
@uniquicity Would it change your mind if they reinstated the old 79 and did a return from Wolverhampton to City for £2.50
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2016, 08:22:11 PM
@uniquicity Would it change your mind if they reinstated the old 79 and did a return from Wolverhampton to City for £2.50
Nope. Time is more valuable. Money is nothing.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 13, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Nope. Time is more valuable. Money is nothing.
This.
Your time is priceless. Don't forget this
The changes for routes 58,59,60 and 73 state "Route amended between Coventry Road and Bordesley Circus junction."This does not seem possible to me. Also the 17 follows the same route as the 73, but is not mentioned.
The whole point of splitting the 79 was that congestion elsewhere made the Wolverhampton end horrendously unreliable.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 14, 2016, 07:56:15 PM
The changes for routes 58,59,60 and 73 state "Route amended between Coventry Road and Bordesley Circus junction."This does not seem possible to me. Also the 17 follows the same route as the 73, but is not mentioned.
The only way I can see it being the case is roadworks, I can recall one that happened a while back in this section of the route. It involved buses turning into Cattell Road and join the 97 route into city centre (perhaps back to Bordesley circus via ring road if nxbus wishes so).
Quote from: Nathan on June 13, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
It seems the Metro works may take place from July. Maybe it refers to minor route changes out of Wolverhampton (i don't have a clue btw, i'm just thinking of possible explanations.)
What Metro works is this?
Quote from: Stevo on June 16, 2016, 08:56:46 PM
What Metro works is this?
The extension from Wolverhampton St George's to Wolverhampton Train Station via Pipers Row
Quote from: Nathan on June 16, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
The extension from Wolverhampton St George's to Wolverhampton Train Station via Pipers Row
When is that diue to be finished
@Nathan ?
I noticed they have summarised people views points of the Black Country consultation documents etc
On the nxwm website new timetables out on the 27th of this month
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/walsall-wolverhampton-response-to-customer-consultation
Quote from: 2206 on June 20, 2016, 08:18:11 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/walsall-wolverhampton-response-to-customer-consultation
It's nice to see that NE take notice of the finding of the consultation, rather than in London where the outcome of the consultation is known before it even starts!!
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-24th-july-
The actual changes are now published on the NX eebsite complete with timetables
Quote from: Nathan on June 21, 2016, 02:47:01 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-24th-july-
The actual changes are now published on the NX eebsite complete with timetables
Tbh, the timings for the X10 don't seem to save that much time compared with the 141, is there any point in the changes.
eg: Merry Hill to Birmingham off peak, 141 68 mins X10 63 mins
Also the 07:20 141 from Birmingham is booked to arrive Merry Hill at 08:30, the same X10 journey will arrive Merry Hill at 08:31 which is 1 minute slower for a limited stop journey.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 21, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Tbh, the timings for the X10 don't seem to save that much time compared with the 141, is there any point in the changes.
eg: Merry Hill to Birmingham off peak, 141 68 mins X10 63 mins
You say that as if there is a route change, which there is not it is just missing out a few stops so it isn't going to be that much quicker is it?
If I've read the link correctly, the 75 has been extended to Darlaston via the 79 route(Dangerfield Lane).
Won't people in Kings Hill complain about the loss of service along that direct 38 route(Darlaston Road?)?
Quote from: Westy on June 21, 2016, 04:29:28 PM
If I've read the link correctly, the 75 has been extended to Darlaston via the 79 route(Dangerfield Lane).
Won't people in Kings Hill complain about the loss of service along that direct 38 route(Darlaston Road?)?
It was said when the consulatation took place that it would directly replace the 38 between Wednesbury and Darlo didn't it?
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2016, 04:52:49 PM
It was said when the consulatation took place that it would directly replace the 38 between Wednesbury and Darlo didn't it?
It said, should the route of the extended 75 between Wednesbury and Darlaston be the same as the 79 – along Woden Road West and Dangerfield Lane – or directly along Darlaston Road?
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/misc/NXWMWalsallServiceChangesprintready1.pdf
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
You say that as if there is a route change, which there is not it is just missing out a few stops so it isn't going to be that much quicker is it?
Well off peak from Birmingham to Walsall on the 51 is 45 minutes, the X51 takes 32 minutes, a saving of 13 minutes!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 21, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Well off peak from Birmingham to Walsall on the 51 is 45 minutes, the X51 takes 32 minutes, a saving of 13 minutes!
Yes but there are a lot more stops missed on the X51 and there are slight route changes which means it cuts out a few areas which is where you get the 13 mins. The X10 is literally missing a few stops on the Hagley Road. You aren't gonna get 13 minutes like that.
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2016, 05:17:41 PM
Yes but there are a lot more stops missed on the X51 and there are slight route changes which means it cuts out a few areas which is where you get the 13 mins. The X10 is literally missing a few stops on the Hagley Road. You aren't gonna get 13 minutes like that.
So my point is, why bother inconveniencing people, whose bus now doesn't stop at there stop, so they have to change buses, just to save 5 minutes!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 21, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
So my point is, why bother inconveniencing people, whose bus now doesn't stop at there stop, so they have to change buses, just to save 5 minutes!
Write to the company and ask, its them who have chosen to do it
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 21, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
So my point is, why bother inconveniencing people, whose bus now doesn't stop at there stop, so they have to change buses, just to save 5 minutes!
Because if people 'think' they are getting a faster ride they tend to be happier passengers
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 05:35:25 PM
Because if people 'think' they are getting a faster ride they tend to be happier passengers
Until they realise it ain't much quicker!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 21, 2016, 05:48:54 PM
Until they realise it ain't much quicker!
Surprisingly not, One of the reasons people say they don't use a bus is 'because it stops every couple of hundred yards' not necessarily the overall time taken.
You will find some people always time their journey down the Washwood Heath Road on the 70 even though it is the least frequent for the same reason even though it takes exactly the same time as the 94
I am happy the X10 has been created increasing buses to Birmingham to 5 buses an hour (daytime including the 129) from Merry Hill wasn't there at one point the 258 (127 at night) 139 and 109 combined giving 8 buses an hour. Diamonds now got a bit of competition on the 4H to Halesowen up to 20 mins. Has there ever been an evening 4H for either diamond or nx?
Quote from: Chris on June 21, 2016, 07:51:17 PM
I am happy the X10 has been created increasing buses to Birmingham to 5 buses an hour (daytime including the 129) from Merry Hill wasn't there at one point the 258 (127 at night) 139 and 109 combined giving 8 buses an hour. Diamonds now got a bit of competition on the 4H to Halesowen up to 20 mins. Has there ever been an evening 4H for either diamond or nx?
Coincidently leave Halesowen a couple of minutes before diamonds
x10 is pointless to me, I would rather have a quick just Halesowen- Birmingham like diamond did
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
Coincidently leave Halesowen a couple of minutes before diamonds
x10 is pointless to me, I would rather have a quick just Halesowen- Birmingham like diamond did
errr when did Diamond do a limited stop Halesowen to Birmingham service? Even the 192 was all stops.
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
errr when did Diamond do a limited stop Halesowen to Birmingham service? Even the 192 was all stops.
Diamond 9 the quickest method ever to get to Birmingham, hardly any stops, fast royales
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Diamond 9 the quickest method ever to get to Birmingham, hardly any stops, fast royales
Oh Christ here we go.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Diamond 9 the quickest method ever to get to Birmingham, hardly any stops, fast royales
@Trident 4194 A. Diamonds 9 wasn't limited stop
B. Diamond doesn'the run EITHER 9 or the 192 (yes the halesowen to Kidderminster part still exists) to Birmingham no more
C. May of been faster but wasn't economically viable hence the withdrawal of royal 9s (face it on the 9 one seems to stay long with NX there, the nine is one the gold corriders) and curtailment of the 192
The Darlaston services.
I guess the 39 has been rerouted via the Manor & Pleck Road, so is this the first time an evening & Sunday service has operated down there since the 639 days(Was there a full evening & Sunday service on the 639?)?
Will need to look back at the old timetables, to see how Pleck Road was served in the past!
Quote from: Chris on June 21, 2016, 09:41:58 PM
@Trident 4194
A. Diamonds 9 wasn't limited stop
B. Diamond doesn'the run EITHER 9 or the 192 (yes the halesowen to Kidderminster part still exists) to Birmingham no more
C. May of been faster but wasn't economically viable hence the withdrawal of royal 9s (face it on the 9 one seems to stay long with NX there, the nine is one the gold corriders) and curtailment of the 192
Remember catching 19 Birmingham-Hasbury with Lynx's and B10Ls always seemed
A fast route to Birmingham.
Quote from: B10L1473 on June 22, 2016, 10:24:35 AM
Remember catching 19 Birmingham-Hasbury with Lynx's and B10Ls always seemed
A fast route to Birmingham.
Those were the days I am too young for lynxs but remember there being tridents/b7tls?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 22, 2016, 10:36:52 AM
Those were the days I am too young for lynxs but remember there being tridents/b7tls?
Yes, that was another incarnation of the original 19 which ran with Lynx's:
Originally it ran from Hasbury to Birmingham via Quinton Expressway everything 30 minutes with peak journeys numbered 19S which were limited stop between Quinton and City.
In 1999, the 19S was replaced with the 919 during peaks which used the 9 route into Birmingham but was still limited stop. The 19 was withdrawn completely with the Halesowen to Hasbury section being replaced with the 619 which complemented the evening 609.
The 919 was then replaced with the 19 again, which originally ran as the 919 but was all stops, then it was diverted to use Kent Road and Halesowen Road, and then rerouted to serve Mucklows Hill before being withdrawn.
The Halesowen to Hasbury section has been replaced with various extensions to existing services, originally it was the 241, then the 244, briefly the 636 (now 99) and now the 244 again.
Quick question for the locals.
Is Hasbury & Hayley Green the same thing, as I've seen on old timetables, Hasbury Foxhunt & Hayley Green Foxhunt?
Quote from: sonic84 on June 22, 2016, 06:06:36 PM
Yes, that was another incarnation of the original 19 which ran with Lynx's:
Originally it ran from Hasbury to Birmingham via Quinton Expressway everything 30 minutes with peak journeys numbered 19S which were limited stop between Quinton and City.
In 1999, the 19S was replaced with the 919 during peaks which used the 9 route into Birmingham but was still limited stop. The 19 was withdrawn completely with the Halesowen to Hasbury section being replaced with the 619 which complemented the evening 609.
The 919 was then replaced with the 19 again, which originally ran as the 919 but was all stops, then it was diverted to use Kent Road and Halesowen Road, and then rerouted to serve Mucklows Hill before being withdrawn.
The Halesowen to Hasbury section has been replaced with various extensions to existing services, originally it was the 241, then the 244, briefly the 636 (now 99) and now the 244 again.
BCC ran a 19X on Saturdays (only) briefly with Volvo repowered Nationals, whilst Mon - Fri they ran on the 9.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Diamond 9 the quickest method ever to get to Birmingham, hardly any stops, fast royales
The only reason why Diamond's 9 was so quick was because very few used it, it only seemed to carry decent loads at peaks times which is why it no longer exists
Also in the past we had the 902 Birmingham to Hasbury peak limited stop services, and wasn't the 902 renumbered from the X2?
Quote from: Westy on June 22, 2016, 06:51:23 PM
Quick question for the locals.
Is Hasbury & Hayley Green the same thing, as I've seen on old timetables, Hasbury Foxhunt & Hayley Green Foxhunt?
Yes
@Westy
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 22, 2016, 09:03:12 PM
Yes @Westy
Really? I always thought Hayley Green was the area around that end of the Hagley Road (including where the Fox Hunt is) and the roads to the south of it, and that Hasbury is the area covering the estates just north of that - including the area around Portsdown Road where the 19 used to terminate. The two are often used inter-changeably on bus timetables as bus services terminating around Hasbury have typically done the Hasbury / Hayley Green loop (Portsdown Rd, Lutley Lane, Hagley Rd, Rosemary Rd). But although close, they are two separate areas.
Quote from: Mike K on June 22, 2016, 10:27:48 PM
Really? I always thought Hayley Green was the area around that end of the Hagley Road (including where the Fox Hunt is) and the roads to the south of it, and that Hasbury is the area covering the estates just north of that - including the area around Portsdown Road where the 19 used to terminate. The two are often used inter-changeably on bus timetables as bus services terminating around Hasbury have typically done the Hasbury / Hayley Green loop (Portsdown Rd, Lutley Lane, Hagley Rd, Rosemary Rd). But although close, they are two separate areas.
@Mike K - you're correct Hayley Green is the end of the Hagley Road (Fox Hunt) includes up to Causeyfarm Rd Turning Circle, Lutley Lane etc. Hasbury is lower down includes Bassnage Road, Dunstall Road & surrounding roads to that side of Huntingtree Park plus bottom of Squirrels Estate (Portsdown Rd etc)
Didn'y help when Mercs used to operate the 244, some drivers would show Hayley Green, some Hasbury so it's easy to see where the confusion could arise from.
Theyve taken the changes for the 301 & 302 (31 & 32) off the site, plus taken off the file for the Darlaston services, now saying its to follow.
Now what are they playing at?
So the only service to Willenhall evenings or Sundays will be the 529....
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 29, 2016, 05:38:45 PM
So the only service to Willenhall evenings or Sundays will be the 529....
25 and possibly 28E, if it's not cancelled as well. But yeah, as someone who lives in Willenhall, it's a p***take, that the 40E & 41 are being removed, given the latter is Centro tendered, and realistically, the 529 is useless for anyone trying to get home from New Invention after 6, and it's a bloody long walk!
Quote from: Alex on June 29, 2016, 06:42:54 PM
25 and possibly 28E, if it's not cancelled as well. But yeah, as someone who lives in Willenhall, it's a p***take, that the 40E & 41 are being removed, given the latter is Centro tendered, and realistically, the 529 is useless for anyone trying to get home from New Invention after 6, and it's a bloody long walk!
25 and 28E cancelled too.. I assume the Centro tendered 41s will no longer run either.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 29, 2016, 07:29:09 PM
25 and 28E cancelled too.. I assume the Centro tendered 41s will no longer run either.
Umm, think you got the wrong end of that, I was saying those will be the only other services to Willenhall, not that they were being cancelled
To be honest when I worked in Willenhall the 41 at night only ever seemed to carry very few passengers. There's got to be a point that even the cost of tendered version of the service that is hardly used is a waste of money.
I have heard rumours that the X96 was to split on evenings with NX doing the Wren Nest to Merry Hill (commercially like before) and Igo doing the Merry Hill to Wollaston bit centro tendered?
Quote from: Chris on June 29, 2016, 08:01:41 PM
To be honest when I worked in Willenhall the 41 at night only ever seemed to carry very few passengers. There's got to be a point that even the cost of tendered version of the service that is hardly used is a waste of money.
I have heard rumours that the X96 was to split on evenings with NX doing the Wren Nest to Merry Hill (commercially like before) and Igo doing the Merry Hill to Wollaston bit centro tendered?
Presume that will come with the Dudley Bus Review which should be taking place sometime in the next few years!
@Stuharris 6360 perhaps it's getting a consultation like walsall/Wolverhampton got after the summer maybe Christmas... seems like Dudley review disappeared...
It has disappeared, I thought the changes that were taking place on the 24/7/16 may have been it, but the only changes around Stourbridge are the usual summer holiday timetable amendments.
Would assume that a number of services are running on tender extensions as some were due to run out late last year.
I wonder what the folk in Portobello will think of the 40 being withdrawn.
It was they who got it rerouted to serve the estate, after getting in touch with the local MP.
Looks like I'll have to go back to using the dilly-dallying 82 to get back home from Wolves........ yay. -_-
Apparently the dudley tenders are meant to be October (likelihood of it actually happening = 0)
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 29, 2016, 09:14:15 PM
Apparently the dudley tenders are meant to be October (likelihood of it actually happening = 0)
@the trainbasher, which year?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2016, 09:15:30 PM
@the trainbasher, which year?
2016 apparently
*spots Pigs flying (not a police helicopter either)*
Quote from: SMK on June 29, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
I wonder what the folk in Portobello will think of the 40 being withdrawn.
It was they who got it rerouted to serve the estate, after getting in touch with the local MP.
Looks like I'll have to go back to using the dilly-dallying 82 to get back home from Wolves........ yay. -_-
As they say, use it or lose it. Everytime i've passed through there, it seems to havs light loadings (the W'ton-Willenhall section seems to carry very little passengers). Portobello is a short walk to the Willenhall Rd so it's not as if they're stranded (plus they get shiny new buses if they walk down to the main road lol)
The X10 extension to Pensnett will any one use it as I have seen a 141 pass at Russell hall hospital completely empty. How many Platinum's would it need to run the X10? I tried to work it out and got 8 PVR
Quote from: Chris on July 01, 2016, 11:05:18 AM
The X10 extension to Pensnett will any one use it as I have seen a 141 pass at Russell hall hospital completely empty. How many Platinum's would it need to run the X10? I tried to work it out and got 8 PVR
Drivers and bus spotters will and passengers from Halesowen wanting to go to the hospital
Quote from: pndriver on July 01, 2016, 11:18:49 AM
Drivers and bus spotters will and passengers from Halesowen wanting to go to the hospital
I don't know why they don't extend it to Pensnett throughout the day Monday to Friday until 6pm, rather than just a few odd journeys, surely it not only helps people from areas that need RHH, but is also useful for drivers returning to garage from Merry Hill?
Will the X10 serve Pensnett on Sundays ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 01, 2016, 03:58:24 PM
Will the X10 serve Pensnett on Sundays ?
4 journeys each way Mon - Fri daytime, that's all. Basically the same as the 141 has been running, although slightly different timetable.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 01, 2016, 03:59:58 PM
4 journeys each way Mon - Fri daytime, that's all. Basically the same as the 141 has been running, although slightly different timetable.
Oh Dear, their goes my express way of getting to PN on a Sunday,
New bus stop plates have started appearing on the 311 section between Walsall & Wednesbury at least!
Asked NX on Facebook about the 301 & 302 changes & they were still being finalised.
Surely there's no timetable change?
All the way to dudley as well some so 11 13 311 on the flag. Is thandi keeping 311 the number
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 02, 2016, 12:06:13 AM
All the way to dudley as well some so 11 13 311 on the flag. Is thandi keeping 311 the number
Yes
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 29, 2016, 05:38:45 PM
So the only service to Willenhall evenings or Sundays will be the 529....
I now see that there will be some evening and Sunday journeys on the new 37, pages added on WMT website.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on July 07, 2016, 08:13:13 AM
I now see that there will be some evening and Sunday journeys on the new 37, pages added on WMT website.
Only as far as Lodge Farm Mon-Sun evenings.
Quote from: Nathan on July 07, 2016, 08:18:31 AM
Only as far as Lodge Farm Mon-Sun evenings.
No, from WMT timetables Mon-Sat leaves Willenhall at xx25 Mon-Sat evenings last departure 2325, but does not arrive there from Walsall until xx36... Some mistake somewhere?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on July 07, 2016, 01:17:01 PM
No, from WMT timetables Mon-Sat leaves Willenhall at xx25 Mon-Sat evenings last departure 2325, but does not arrive there from Walsall until xx36... Some mistake somewhere?
Apologies, i misread the timetable.
I see more nx drivers on 141 from pensnett than ordinary passengers
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 07, 2016, 01:42:47 PM
I see more nx drivers on 141 from pensnett than ordinary passengers
I think that is the point of the journeys, as a sort of staff run between Merry Hill & Garage.
Quote from: Nathan on July 07, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
Apologies, i misread the timetable.
Perhaps the 37 and 41 will interwork at Willenhall?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on July 07, 2016, 04:51:36 PM
Perhaps the 37 and 41 will interwork at Willenhall?
The new 41 timetable has been updated to show it going to Willenhall Evening and Sundays (it did show it as going as far as New Invention only) and the timings seem to show that they'll interwork.
So what is subsidised or is NX (shock horror!) running both routes commercially?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 07, 2016, 01:48:43 PM
I think that is the point of the journeys, as a sort of staff run between Merry Hill & Garage.
Wasn't the 141 extension the result of hundreds of people signing a petition because they needed buses between Old Hill and Russells Hall Hospital? ;)
Quote from: Stu on July 07, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
Wasn't the 141 extension the result of hundreds of people signing a petition because they needed buses between Old Hill and Russells Hall Hospital? ;)
It also serves as a good connection between Kingswinford & Birmingham which can only be seen as a good thing.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 07, 2016, 07:16:10 PM
It also serves as a good connection between Kingswinford & Birmingham which can only be seen as a good thing.
doesnt go to kingswinford
Quote from: karl724223 on July 07, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
doesnt go to kingswinford
Pensnett Trading Estate is in Kingswinford.
Quote from: 2206 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:48 PM
Pensnett Trading Estate is in Kingswinford.
so why isn't it called kingswinford trading estate ?
Or
Kingswinford bus garage
Quote from: karl724223 on July 07, 2016, 07:58:14 PM
so why isn't it called kingswinford trading estate ?
Or
Kingswinford bus garage
Location - The Pensnett Estate, Kingswinford, West Midlands. DY6 7NA
http://www.pensnettestate.co.uk/
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2016, 08:02:18 PM
Location - The Pensnett Estate, Kingswinford, West Midlands. DY6 7NA
http://www.pensnettestate.co.uk/
so passenger says do you go to kingswinford
Driver yes oh by the way I turn right here kingswinfords a mile or two walk that way see ya
Quote from: karl724223 on July 07, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
so passenger says do you go to kingswinford
Driver yes oh by the way I turn right here kingswinfords a mile or two walk that way see ya
Kingswinford covers a far greater area than just Kingswinford town centre, whether you agree or not it's called The Pensnett Estate & it's located in Kingswinford.
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
Kingswinford covers a far greater area than just Kingswinford town centre, whether you agree or not it's called The Pensnett Estate & it's located in Kingswinford.
bit like when your on a 140 with Dudley on the front and they say don't you go to merry hill and you say no and they say well merry hill is in Dudley
Quote from: karl724223 on July 07, 2016, 08:14:29 PM
bit like when your on a 140 with Dudley on the front and they say don't you go to merry hill and you say no and they say well merry hill is in Dudley
No nothing like, 'The Pensnett Estate' is literally just the name given to the trading estate not the area where it's located. I live in Kingswinford on an estate off Bromley Lane, 1.5 miles from the High St, I can exit on to the Dudley Road via Ploverdale Cresent i.e. above the BP garage which is also still part of Kingswinford.
Why is the Beefeater called 'The Kingswinford' and not 'The Pensnett' ???
Ant the McDonald's in Kingswinford McDonalds, there's no Pensnett McDonalds
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2016, 08:36:00 PM
No nothing like, 'The Pensnett Estate' is literally just the name given to the trading estate not the area where it's located. I live in Kingswinford on an estate off Bromley Lane, 1.5 miles from the High St, I can exit on to the Dudley Road via Ploverdale Cresent i.e. above the BP garage which is also still part of Kingswinford.
Why is the Beefeater called 'The Kingswinford' and not 'The Pensnett' ???
Ant the McDonald's in Kingswinford McDonalds, there's no Pensnett McDonalds
But do all buses that go to merry hill go to Brierley Hill...... I mean the centre is in Brierley Hill is it not ??
Quote from: pndriver on July 07, 2016, 08:44:32 PM
But do all buses that go to merry hill go to Brierley Hill...... I mean the centre is in Brierley Hill is it not ??
Isn't Merry Hill the name of the Shopping Centre not the geographical location ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 07, 2016, 08:54:00 PM
Isn't Merry Hill the name of the Shopping Centre not the geographical location ?
years ago I think it was a farm called merry hill
Quote from: pndriver on July 07, 2016, 08:44:32 PM
But do all buses that go to merry hill go to Brierley Hill...... I mean the centre is in Brierley Hill is it not ??
Pensnett is also part of Brierley Hill, Pensnett is not in Kingswinford and neither is PN garage nor the Trading Estate
Quote from: Winston on July 07, 2016, 09:03:40 PM
Pensnett is also part of Brierley Hill, Pensnett is not in Kingswinford and neither is PN garage nor the Trading Estate
So I can catch the 246 to high oak then ?
Quote from: pndriver on July 07, 2016, 09:33:27 PM
So I can catch the 246 to high oak then ?
Yes, when it's returning to PN garage in Kingswinford - I'm surprised you manage to find you're way to work....
Pensnett Garage
2nd Avenue,
Pensnett Trading Estate,
Kingswinford,
DY6 7UHDY1 DUDLEY Dudley town centre, Woodsetton (part of) Dudley
DY2 DUDLEY Dudley town centre, Netherton, Woodside Dudley
DY3 DUDLEY Gornal, Himley, Sedgley, Swindon, Gospel End, Woodsetton (part of) Dudley, South Staffordshire
DY4 TIPTON Coseley (part of), Tipton, Tividale (part of) Dudley, Sandwell
DY5 BRIERLEY HILL Brierley Hill, Pensnett, Quarry Bank Dudley
DY6 KINGSWINFORD Ashwood, Kingswinford, Wall Heath Dudley, South StaffordshireDY7 STOURBRIDGE Enville, Kinver, Stourton South Staffordshire
DY8 STOURBRIDGE Amblecote, Hagley (part of), Stourbridge town centre, Wollaston, Wordsley Bromsgrove, Dudley, South Staffordshire
DY9 STOURBRIDGE Hagley (part of), Lye, Pedmore Bromsgrove, Dudley
DY10 KIDDERMINSTER Kidderminster, Chaddesley Corbett, Blakedown, Cookley Wyre Forest
DY11 KIDDERMINSTER Hartlebury, Kidderminster Wychavon, Wyre Forest
DY12 BEWDLEY Bewdley, Arley, Hartlebury, Wolverley Wyre Forest
DY13 STOURPORT-ON-SEVERN Stourport-on-Severn Wyre Forest
DY14 KIDDERMINSTER Cleobury Mortimer Shropshire
So does anyone know why the 301 & 302 changes appear to have been dropped?
Quote from: Westy on July 07, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
So does anyone know why the 301 & 302 changes appear to have been dropped?
because they don't go to kingswinford
Quote from: karl724223 on July 07, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
because they don't go to kingswinford
Are you here all week?
Quote from: Westy on July 07, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
So does anyone know why the 301 & 302 changes appear to have been dropped?
They were just renumbered weren't they?
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2016, 05:31:32 PM
Write to the company and ask, its them who have chosen to do it
Reply Received
"Thank you for contacting us about the withdraw of our 141 service. I'm sorry for the upset caused.
We regularly review our services as well as our network as a whole to ensure that we are meeting the needs of customers. Following such a review of the 141 service, we decided to withdraw the service and replace it with a new limited stop X10 service between Five Ways and Quinton.
While I appreciate your comments about the X51, the X51 route does have better road infrastructure. The new service will operate at an increased frequency of every 20 minutes, serving a limited number of stops between Birmingham and Quinton to speed up journey times for customers. It also improves the frequency of buses between Halesowen and Birmingham . These changes reflect changing demands from our customers.
I'm sorry that this has not resulted in a service that meets your needs. Having said that, I can assure you that we will monitor the effectiveness of the changes and consider all customer feedback when we review our services again in the coming months.
Thank you for contacting us and giving me the opportunity to explain our position."
Around Bentley Centro have already replaced the 40 timetables with those for the 37, also the new 41 timetables, but with nothing to say that there is still a fortnight before these services start.
I rode the 40 Saturday afternoon and have to say it was very lightly loaded.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on July 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
Around Bentley Centro have already replaced the 40 timetables with those for the 37, also the new 41 timetables, but with nothing to say that there is still a fortnight before these services start.
Aint there a date on the timetable?
Quote from: Westy on July 11, 2016, 07:26:22 PM
Aint there a date on the timetable?
Yes, top left in the orange strip, same with all NWM bus stop timetables.
Problem is that we know these jobs have to be done well before the event happens, however people don't always look for what date the timetable starts. If they are looking for there bus on the timetable and it's shown, they are just going to look for the next departure, they are going to think that the timetable may be changing in a fortnight and the departure shown may not actually exist.
Surely in these modern times, all stops should be equipped with modern equipment that shows the timetable applicable on that particular day?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 11, 2016, 07:42:42 PM
Surely in these modern times, all stops should be equipped with modern equipment that shows the timetable applicable on that particular day?
Does anyone know if they still have that prototype timetable board at Oldbury Interchange, the one that used e-ink displays, same as used in Amazon Kindle devices?
The thing is there would be a huge initial cost of rolling those out to all bus stops, but in the long term how much money would be saved just by being able to 'push' a display update as and when a timetable changed, rather than the expense of printing off new displays and having someone go and install them?
Not sure where to put this but, has anyone noticed the totem pole by bus shelter MS10? That's the last stop on Moor Street just before the bus gate onto PQY. It's showing services stopping there: 7, 9, 9s, 10, 10h, 22, 23, 24. It's not changing onto the second page so I presume the 29 is on there too. I'd heard that as the work at Paradise progresses then the City Centre loop will be reversed for the HB services. Looks like it's happening.
Quote from: AndrewLee on July 11, 2016, 09:56:31 PM
Not sure where to put this but, has anyone noticed the totem pole by bus shelter MS10? That's the last stop on Moor Street just before the bus gate onto PQY. It's showing services stopping there: 7, 9, 9s, 10, 10h, 22, 23, 24. It's not changing onto the second page so I presume the 29 is on there too. I'd heard that as the work at Paradise progresses then the City Centre loop will be reversed for the HB services. Looks like it's happening.
That would be a throwback to the route they took around the city centre in the 1990s. It's handy that they now provide much better access to New St / Grand Central and the Bull Ring.
Quote from: Mike K on July 12, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
That would be a throwback to the route they took around the city centre in the 1990s. It's handy that they now provide much better access to New St / Grand Central and the Bull Ring.
I'm going to have a look in the garage tonight. I'm wondering which way they will leave City and where the relief point will be moved to.
Nobody picked up on the route change for the 241 yet ??
Quote from: pndriver on July 14, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Nobody picked up on the route change for the 241 yet ??
What route change is that
@pndriver
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 14, 2016, 03:19:35 PM
What route change is that @pndriver
Grange road, Bromsgrove road, shenstone island, Whitehall road then stand C in bus station
Quote from: pndriver on July 14, 2016, 03:26:00 PM
Grange road, Bromsgrove road, shenstone island, Whitehall road then stand C in bus station
Ah right
@pndriver , that hasn't been pointed out anywhere, NX Bus website says that the service is just going to operate between Halesowen & Dudley, nothing about a route change!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 14, 2016, 03:32:38 PM
Ah right @pndriver , that hasn't been pointed out anywhere, NX Bus website says that the service is just going to operate between Halesowen & Dudley, nothing about a route change!
Flags and timetables up, notice in bus station about stand changes
I see NX have failed to mention the revised timetable on WN59. The 23:11 from W'ton no longer operates (24 minute gap between 22:59 and 23:23 departures now). There is also now a later last bus at 23:47 from Wolverhampton. (current last bus is 23:23). There are also minor revisions to the daytime timetable for summer. The NX website has not put up the new timetable from 24th July (NWM has it)
Quote from: pndriver on July 14, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Nobody picked up on the route change for the 241 yet ??
i knew about it
@pndriver
Is the 301/302 still going to be renumbered 31/32?
Why all stand changes in Halesowen?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 04:00:30 PM
Why all stand changes in Halesowen?
Because they feel it is necessary to help the bus station run more productively
Quote from: Dom on July 20, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
Because they feel it is necessary to help the bus station run more productively
Well if buses wouldn't arrive early then it would be fine. I never see the layover bay used
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
Well if buses wouldn't arrive early then it would be fine.
Example?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
I never see the layover bay used
How many services that actually terminate at Halesowen have more than 5 minutes dropback?
Quote from: Dom on July 20, 2016, 06:17:48 PM
Example?
How many services that actually terminate at Halesowen have more than 5 minutes dropback?
99,4H,202,
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 06:27:48 PM
99,4H,202,
And more often than not they use stand A, or the area just before stand A.
Amazing how you missed out my previous question though...
Quote from: Dom on July 20, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
And more often than not they use stand A, or the area just before stand A.
Amazing how you missed out my previous question though...
if the 99 4H used the layover bay in the bus station they would have to go all round the block to get to there stands
Someone told me the 75 is apparently being withdrawn. Is this true?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 20, 2016, 07:21:02 PM
Someone told me the 75 is apparently being withdrawn. Is this true?
It has appeared on the weekly service change list sent out by Centro, and which appears on the website:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/
I'm pretty sure though that this is an error, and will be amended accordingly. The 75 is being extended to Darlaston from 24th July, and is reverting to a summer timetable until the 4th Sept, which is supposedly when it is being cancelled.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 04:00:30 PM
Why all stand changes in Halesowen?
stand changes in cradley heath interchange as well
Moan moan moan
Quote from: Dom on July 20, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
And more often than not they use stand A, or the area just before stand A.
Amazing how you missed out my previous question though...
231 is the worst
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 20, 2016, 08:03:42 PM
231 is the worst
I mean a specific example, if it happens as much as you make out then you would surely be able to give a specific example.
Where the 99 et al in Halesowen layover (when they are in the ring and ride stop) is a bit of a dubious one as technically it is a bus stop as opposed to a bus stand....then you've got the lovely double yellows :)
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
Where the 99 et al in Halesowen layover (when they are in the ring and ride stop) is a bit of a dubious one as technically it is a bus stop as opposed to a bus stand....then you've got the lovely double yellows :)
So Tom, is there a maximum time you can be parked on a bus stop?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 20, 2016, 09:38:26 PM
So Tom, is there a maximum time you can be parked on a bus stop?
his traffic wardens don't give a toss about all the illegal parking in brierly hill they target Russell's hall hospital area easy targets so don't think they will bother about buses parking over Halesowen
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 20, 2016, 09:38:26 PM
So Tom, is there a maximum time you can be parked on a bus stop?
It depends on the Traffic Regulation Order in place and where you are.
The one for Halesowen says the following:
Insofar as any provision of this Order conflicts with a provision which is contained in an order made or having effect as if it were made under the Act of 1984, and existing at the time when this Order comes into operation, and which imposes a restriction or prohibition on waiting by vehicles other than public service vehicles being used to operate a local service in a bus stop area or grants an exemption from such restriction or prohibition, the provisions of that order will prevail.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
Where the 99 et al in Halesowen layover (when they are in the ring and ride stop) is a bit of a dubious one as technically it is a bus stop as opposed to a bus stand....then you've got the lovely double yellows :)
According to centro, you can drop off on ring and ride stop but not layover. No layover on Stand A hence one 99 receiving a parking ticket in May
Quote from: pndriver on July 20, 2016, 09:47:07 PM
According to centre, you can drop off on ring and ride stop but not layover. No layover on Stand A hence one 99 receiving a parking ticket in May
but the ring and ride stop is on a public road outside of centro controlled bus station
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 20, 2016, 09:45:53 PM
It depends on the Traffic Regulation Order in place and where you are.
The one for Halesowen says the following:
Insofar as any provision of this Order conflicts with a provision which is contained in an order made or having effect as if it were made under the Act of 1984, and existing at the time when this Order comes into operation, and which imposes a restriction or prohibition on waiting by vehicles other than public service vehicles being used to operate a local service in a bus stop area or grants an exemption from such restriction or prohibition, the provisions of that order will prevail.
going to love quoting that lot to the centro muppets
@pndriver
Quote from: karl724223 on July 20, 2016, 09:52:05 PM
going to love quoting that lot to the centro muppets @pndriver
Ridiculous that we can't use Stand J in Stourbridge, just because the residents don't want buses going past their houses
@karl724223
Quote from: pndriver on July 20, 2016, 09:55:03 PM
Ridiculous that we can't use Stand J in Stourbridge, just because the residents don't want buses going past their houses @karl724223
after all the years of buses stopping there back to the midland red days but it's only Nxwm buses targeted
@pndriver
Quote from: karl724223 on July 20, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
after all the years of buses stopping there back to the midland red days but it's only Nxwm buses targeted @pndriver
Hansons, Igo & Diamond use Stand J
Have picked up the majority of the leaflets affecting Walsall services today. (Forgot the Alumwell!)
Can someone clarify which other route besides the 36 is serving the Manor Hospital, as I was under the impression it was the 39 but the Nwm leaflet suggests the 37!
(Theres probably a few other confusing bits as well but I need to cross check Nwm leaflets & the Nx online timetables first!)
Quote from: Westy on July 22, 2016, 06:53:33 PM
Have picked up the majority of the leaflets affecting Walsall services today. (Forgot the Alumwell!)
Can someone clarify which other route besides the 36 is serving the Manor Hospital, as I was under the impression it was the 39 but the Nwm leaflet suggests the 37!
(Theres probably a few other confusing bits as well but I need to cross check Nwm leaflets & the Nx online timetables first!)
Was suppost to be the 39. Don't believe it's changed.
On another note, can someone please confirm if the 301 and 302 route number is changing? Because the registation was put through but no word on it on NX or NWM websites, nor on the document in Wolverhampton bus station.
@Tony can you shed any light on the matter please?
I reckon there will be a '2nd edition' of that 34/37/39 leaflet soon
Quote from: Dom on July 22, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
Was suppost to be the 39. Don't believe it's changed.
On another note, can someone please confirm if the 301 and 302 route number is changing? Because the registation was put through but no word on it on NX or NWM websites, nor on the document in Wolverhampton bus station. @Tony can you shed any light on the matter please?
On the Network West Midlands website, there are new timetables for routes 301/2, so assume that they are staying the same!
Isn't the current change for the 301 & 302 just for the summer timetable?
If so, they could change in September?
Quote from: Westy on July 23, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
Isn't the current change for the 301 & 302 just for the summer timetable?
If so, they could change in September?
The September registrations still have them down as the 301/2.
Quote from: Nathan on July 23, 2016, 12:11:55 PM
The September registrations still have them down as the 301/2.
I wonder whether the change of mind on the renumbering of the 301/2 is because Diamond are not renumbering theres' and so it may cause confusion??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 23, 2016, 04:39:01 PM
I wonder whether the change of mind on the renumbering of the 301/2 is because Diamond are not renumbering theres' and so it may cause confusion??
Thandi havent renumbered the 334 (34) or the 335.
Quote from: Dom on July 23, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
Thandi havent renumbered the 334 (34) or the 335.
I know
@Dom and I thought that, neither has the 311 been renumbered, however the 301/2 are high intensity services, maybe that is the reason.
Come on, Thandi are quite insignificant on the food chain compared to Diamond aren't they?
Quote from: MW on July 23, 2016, 05:36:45 PM
Come on, Thandi are quite insignificant on the food chain compared to Diamond aren't they?
True but doesn't it look a little silly if two routes are travelling exactly the same route on an intensive frequency, but have different route numbers?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 23, 2016, 05:43:02 PM
True but doesn't it look a little silly if two routes are travelling exactly the same route on an intensive frequency, but have different route numbers?
Probably to much hassle as branding would have to be altered
Quote from: Dom on July 22, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
Was suppost to be the 39. Don't believe it's changed.
On another note, can someone please confirm if the 301 and 302 route number is changing? Because the registation was put through but no word on it on NX or NWM websites, nor on the document in Wolverhampton bus station. @Tony can you shed any light on the matter please?
31 is on the destination have t tried 32?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 23, 2016, 07:21:15 PM
31 is on the destination have t tried 32?
Hmmm intresting. I was told by a friend that the '9' was on the destination, when they proposed the renumbering.
Quote from: Dom on July 23, 2016, 07:24:03 PM
Hmmm intresting. I was told by a friend that the '9' was on the destination, when they proposed the renumbering.
Yeah 9 is too!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 23, 2016, 07:49:24 PM
Yeah 9 is too!
A driver friend only found out about the 9 by mistake by changing the 89 to 8 and he pressed one more time so it went to 9 and it worked. Apparently it was in the proposed changes that the 89 would be 9. Glad they kept the 89 as it is.
So..... the X10 was successful today😉
Apart from the fact City Hop doesn't work
Quote from: pndriver on July 24, 2016, 05:32:18 PM
So..... the X10 was successful today😉
Apart from the fact City Hop doesn't work
Did you get many people asking where the 141 was? ;)
Quote from: Stu on July 24, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Did you get many people asking where the 141 was? ;)
None, the huge number of passengers I dragged off colmore row onto my bus seem impressed with it though with some even commenting they could walk the extra distance between stops (they had been waiting around 40 mins for a 9 though)
Meanwhile on the WA 4 I had a passenger habe ago because the timetable wasn't changed, they wanted 4M and I was only a 4 but it was my fault supposedly lol
Quote from: Busman Jamie on July 24, 2016, 10:26:53 PM
Meanwhile on the WA 4 I had a passenger habe ago because the timetable wasn't changed, they wanted 4M and I was only a 4 but it was my fault supposedly lol
Typical. Suppose they expected you to spend all night going round every stop on the 4 changing timetables and then safely drive a bus the following day. Sometimes wonder if people engage there brain before talking?
The best was last week, a bloke wanted me to follow the 127 so je could catch it to Dudley, try telling him I don't same way, all I got in response was "oh your just a bus driver, not very clever"..... There's some lovely folks out there lol
So is that 34 / 37 / 39 leaflet correct or not?
(Mind you it changes again in September doesn't it? Didn't seem worth changing just for a couple of months surely?)
Quote from: Busman Jamie on July 25, 2016, 04:35:19 AM
The best was last week, a bloke wanted me to follow the 127 so je could catch it to Dudley, try telling him I don't same way, all I got in response was "oh your just a bus driver, not very clever"..... There's some lovely folks out there lol
Well apparently its my fault that the sticker in window by doors doesn't advertise nbus tickets. I said "its not my job to design the stickers and put them on!"
Can someone please explain to me (without stating "operational reasons") why the 77 has transferred to Perry Barr garage when the buses start and finish at the Walsall end. Dead mileage is increased surely !!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 09, 2016, 02:22:47 PM
Can someone please explain to me (without stating "operational reasons") why the 77 has transferred to Perry Barr garage when the buses start and finish at the Walsall end. Dead mileage is increased surely !!
Being discussed some time ago, around here: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1935.2640
The 311 by NX and 313 are being changed to 11 and 13 now 11 would be confusing because of the Birmingham 11. Also WA 41 and 69 to run different route. As for the WA 39 and WV79 they will interwork now 39 goes via Manor Hospital and WA38 is now scrapped.
Quote from: BusFan94 on August 25, 2016, 01:21:59 PM
The 311 by NX and 313 are being changed to 11 and 13 now 11 would be confusing because of the Birmingham 11. Also WA 41 and 69 to run different route. As for the WA 39 and WV79 they will interwork now 39 goes via Manor Hospital and WA38 is now scrapped.
No the 39 and 79 do not interworck.
The 39 is operated by Walsall and the 79 is operated by Wolverhampton so they can not interworck.
Oh yeah I read it wrong on the website.
@BusFan94 how is two different number 11 that don't go anywhere near each other confusing ??
It is for you and me but for someone who does who know who the 311 is operated by it might be.