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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall to Wolverhampton and Walsall to Wolverhampton given service number 34/38/39 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway and NEC Rail Station given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Coventry, Pool Meadow and Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway given service number 900/900A effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Chelmsley Wood, Pine Square Interchange and Birmingham City Centre, Lower Bull Street given service number 14 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway and Tile Cross given service number 17 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 27-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham to Dudley and Birmingham to Dudley given service number 74/75 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton to West Bromwich and Wolverhampton to West Bromwich given service number 79 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wollaston Farm and Wrens Nest given service number X96 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/673 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Castlecroft to Fordhouses and Castlecroft to Fordhouses given service number 3/4 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Bilbrook given service number 54 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway and NEC Rail Station given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall to Wolverhampton and Walsall to Wolverhampton given service number 34/38/39 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway and NEC Rail Station given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Coventry, Pool Meadow and Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway given service number 900/900A effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Chelmsley Wood, Pine Square Interchange and Birmingham City Centre, Lower Bull Street given service number 14 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Moor Street Queensway and Tile Cross given service number 17 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 27-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham to Dudley and Birmingham to Dudley given service number 74/75 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton to West Bromwich and Wolverhampton to West Bromwich given service number 79 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wollaston Farm and Wrens Nest given service number X96 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Castlecroft to Fordhouses and Castlecroft to Fordhouses given service number 3/4 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
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Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Bilbrook given service number 54 effective from 26-Apr-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
Does that mean that the 73 is being curtailed, or have they just never changed the terminus on the license?
Quote from: Alex on March 05, 2015, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2015, 12:01:21 PM
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 27-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
Does that mean that the 73 is being curtailed, or have they just never changed the terminus on the license?
It's likely that the VOSA terminus details are out of date, as with numerous other examples. I wouldn't read anything in to that
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2015, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: Alex on March 05, 2015, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2015, 12:01:21 PM
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 27-Apr-2015. To amend Timetable.
Does that mean that the 73 is being curtailed, or have they just never changed the terminus on the license?
It's likely that the VOSA terminus details are out of date, as with numerous other examples. I wouldn't read anything in to that
This has been discussed previously. Nothing of the sort will be happening. Its merely old registration details.
I wonder what the WN changes are? especially to the 79!
I would hazard a guess the 3/4 and 54 would be something to do with I54? Maybe the 3 or 4 will extend to I54?
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
I wonder what the WN changes are? especially to the 79!
I would hazard a guess the 3/4 and 54 would be something to do with I54? Maybe the 3 or 4 will extend to I54?
I think you will be VERY surprised, but don't PM me, I cannot say what the changes are until they are made public by either NWM or NXWM
Here are some of the changes I can post now
34, 34A, 38 and 39 - new service 34A has been introduced to operate every 20 minutes between Walsall and Rough Hay. Times have been revised on the 34, 38 and 39. Overall frequency between Walsall and Darlaston is increased to every 5 minutes.
79 - times have been revised to fit with the amended 39. The route in Darlaston has been changed with buses now operating to the same route as the 39 through Herberts Park.
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
3 & 4 - the 4 has been extended to Codsall every 30 minutes - via i54 and Pendeford Business Park. Combined with the 54, buses will operate up to every 15 minutes between Wolverhampton, i54 and Pendeford Business Park.
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
Wasn't expecting that one! Any reason why the night journeys won't go through to Dudley?
can't believe the 74 is going 24hrs. Hopefully will save me some money on taxis from brum to wednesbury.
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
Ok you have surprised me!
Will the 4 serve I54 and Pendeford Business Park?
That's what the change above says!
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Here are some of the changes I can post now
34, 34A, 38 and 39 - new service 34A has been introduced to operate every 20 minutes between Walsall and Rough Hay. Times have been revised on the 34, 38 and 39. Overall frequency between Walsall and Darlaston is increased to every 5 minutes.
79 - times have been revised to fit with the amended 39. The route in Darlaston has been changed with buses now operating to the same route as the 39 through Herberts Park.
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
3 & 4 - the 4 has been extended to Codsall every 30 minutes - via i54 and Pendeford Business Park. Combined with the 54, buses will operate up to every 15 minutes between Wolverhampton, i54 and Pendeford Business Park.
Whats happening with the 3?
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Here are some of the changes I can post now
34, 34A, 38 and 39 - new service 34A has been introduced to operate every 20 minutes between Walsall and Rough Hay. Times have been revised on the 34, 38 and 39. Overall frequency between Walsall and Darlaston is increased to every 5 minutes.
Why the 34A? I mean 34 goes there anyway. I assume the allocation will be B10Ls?
will the 3/4 being extended to codsall cancel any of the 5 service? reason i ask is that on a bilbrook fb page they were moaning at the amount of buses going through after the 54 started. will these services that serve the i54 actually go into it, or do the current stop outside moog
Quote from: Stu on March 05, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
Wasn't expecting that one! Any reason why the night journeys won't go through to Dudley?
Presumably to keep it to just one bus required (assuming it is going to be hourly), like with the short night 50s. Shame really I actually think the full length route could have worked well, although I suppose if this proves successful there's nothing stopping it being extended in the future.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 05, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Here are some of the changes I can post now
34, 34A, 38 and 39 - new service 34A has been introduced to operate every 20 minutes between Walsall and Rough Hay. Times have been revised on the 34, 38 and 39. Overall frequency between Walsall and Darlaston is increased to every 5 minutes.
Why the 34A? I mean 34 goes there anyway. I assume the allocation will be B10Ls?
I'm guessing its just to add extra buses going along (debatably) the busiest part of the route, I'd imagine so probably interwork with 34/8
Just to ask does the change to the 79 mean it's going onto bilston rota. Theres been alot of talk from the drivers on Bilston that it could be moving over.
How long are they expecting the B10Ls to continue, as if they are using those on the 34a, they cant display Rough Hay can they?
(Any chance of one final update to the remaining roller blinds Tony? Could do with updating the Darlaston corridor group of destinations from what Ive seen out & about, seeing theres no longer an Nx route between Darlaston & Willenhall!)
Does that mean there is no direct route between Moxley & Darlaston now, only via Rough Hay area?
Quote from: Westy on March 05, 2015, 08:56:43 PM
Does that mean there is no direct route between Moxley & Darlaston now, only via Rough Hay area?
It can be just as quick going via the current 39 route anyway, missing out the traffic lights and not having to go up to the roundabout to U-turn (although the 79 doesn't need to)
Quite surprised that the 74's going 24/7. Was expecting for either the 9 on Hagley road or 51 on Walsall road to go 24/7 first.
Is the timetable change on the 900 going to be major or it's just minor re-timing?
Do the 50 and 97 use deckers at night?
I think so - 50 certainly does.
Quote from: NXDom on March 05, 2015, 08:20:07 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
Here are some of the changes I can post now
34, 34A, 38 and 39 - new service 34A has been introduced to operate every 20 minutes between Walsall and Rough Hay. Times have been revised on the 34, 38 and 39. Overall frequency between Walsall and Darlaston is increased to every 5 minutes.
79 - times have been revised to fit with the amended 39. The route in Darlaston has been changed with buses now operating to the same route as the 39 through Herberts Park.
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
3 & 4 - the 4 has been extended to Codsall every 30 minutes - via i54 and Pendeford Business Park. Combined with the 54, buses will operate up to every 15 minutes between Wolverhampton, i54 and Pendeford Business Park.
Whats happening with the 3?
Timetable amendments to fit changes I would think
Quote from: uniquicity on March 05, 2015, 10:21:21 PM
Do the 50 and 97 use deckers at night?
Both routes use deckers at night.
@Sh4318 correct. The 3 is now on the same registration as the 4 on VOSA so any changes to the 4, the 3 will appear on there as a result.
Quote from: tc on March 05, 2015, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on March 05, 2015, 10:21:21 PM
Do the 50 and 97 use deckers at night?
Both routes use deckers at night.
Thanks. Was thinking they should put Mercs on the 74 :p
Curious about the 97 & 14 route changes is that in the Chelmsley wood area or are they scrapping the 97 night bus and bring out a 14 night bus ha ha.
Quote from: Stu on March 05, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
74 & 75 - a new night service has been introduced on the 74 between Birmingham and West Bromwich, Carters Green. Buses now operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week between Birmingham and West Bromwich (except on Christmas Day and Boxing Day). There have been minor changes to times on the 75 to fit with the amendments to the 79.
Wasn't expecting that one! Any reason why the night journeys won't go through to Dudley?
I suspect that means they can probably operate the service using just 1 bus at a guess.
opps already posted.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
This page has now been updated, showing NX exploring into deepest darkest Arriva territory with the extended 54 and new 154 service.
Quote from: 4Q on March 12, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
This page has now been updated, showing NX exploring into deepest darkest Arriva territory with the extended 54 and new 154 service.
Indeed, funded by i54. Although Arriva have registered changes to the 76 for a similar time I envisage a variation to that to come along before the 26th April...
Quote from: Cheese on March 12, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: 4Q on March 12, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
This page has now been updated, showing NX exploring into deepest darkest Arriva territory with the extended 54 and new 154 service.
Indeed, funded by i54. Although Arriva have registered changes to the 76 for a similar time I envisage a variation to that to come along before the 26th April...
That is why I wasn't allowed to mention it! Bob will be able to get to Wolverhampton just after 6am if he wants to!
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: Cheese on March 12, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: 4Q on March 12, 2015, 05:40:41 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
This page has now been updated, showing NX exploring into deepest darkest Arriva territory with the extended 54 and new 154 service.
Indeed, funded by i54. Although Arriva have registered changes to the 76 for a similar time I envisage a variation to that to come along before the 26th April...
That is why I wasn't allowed to mention it! Bob will be able to get to Wolverhampton just after 6am if he wants to!
But I bet he won't slag off NXWM if something is not right in the style of Arriva...
Got to admit the new NXWM services 54 and 154 have really surprised me! I will look forward to have a ride on them...if they are not E200s! ;)
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 12, 2015, 06:05:22 PM
Got to admit the new NXWM services 54 and 154 have really surprised me! I will look forward to have a ride on them...if they are not E200s! ;)
Wonder what fares will be used, surely not £2.20 all the way to Stafford?
I expect the three new E200s along with some of the older ones will be used on there. Therefore, I will be avoiding the routes.
@Cheese to be fair, when nx ran the cannock to walsall routes there were hardly ever any issues, and this was largely with old metrobuses. Arriva are much less reliable!
Also lets hope these services actually launch, cos theres still time for arriva to have another nervous breakdown. ...
Quote from: Bob on March 12, 2015, 06:22:39 PM
@Cheese to be fair, when nx ran the cannock to walsall routes there were hardly ever any issues, and this was largely with old metrobuses. Arriva are much less reliable!
Also lets hope these services actually launch, cos theres still time for arriva to have another nervous breakdown. ...
These services will happen. i54 are paying for them and NX will run them. I produced various draft service options for the i54 project group way back last year and hadn't heard anything until recently as to when and what would be started. In the meantime Arriva can do whatever they want, the 70 will compete with the 154, the 76 will compete with the 54. As mentioned above, I can't see what Arriva have registered for the 76 in April actually happening, expect a variation.
As a user of the 14, I'm wondering what are the benefits of extending the service to Bluebell Drive?
Are there other less frequent services that currently go there, thus improving links for local people to and from the shopping centre and/or Birmingham?
Quote from: Cheese on March 12, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Quote from: Bob on March 12, 2015, 06:22:39 PM
@Cheese to be fair, when nx ran the cannock to walsall routes there were hardly ever any issues, and this was largely with old metrobuses. Arriva are much less reliable!
Also lets hope these services actually launch, cos theres still time for arriva to have another nervous breakdown. ...
These services will happen. i54 are paying for them and NX will run them. I produced various draft service options for the i54 project group way back last year and hadn't heard anything until recently as to when and what would be started. In the meantime Arriva can do whatever they want, the 70 will compete with the 154, the 76 will compete with the 54. As mentioned above, I can't see what Arriva have registered for the 76 in April actually happening, expect a variation.
I really hope NX do well and publicise the services. Its about time Arriva had some competition. The state of some of the ( ex route 1 mainly) buses used on the 70/76 lately has been rubbish
Im pretty sure with the 54 itll mean that its the first time a West Midlands bus has run on a normal service to stafford since 1973?
so is the 54 being withdrawn from Bilbrook & Codsall
Interesting that Wolves depot will operate deep into Staffs, but Walsall depot wont?
Will Daysavers be valid throughout?
(I assume my Black Country Faresaver wont cover either route, but the Regional Travelcard will?)
Quote from: woody38 on March 12, 2015, 07:27:03 PM
so is the 54 being withdrawn from Bilbrook & Codsall
Yes, the 3 or 4 is replacing it around there.
Quote from: Cheese on March 12, 2015, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: woody38 on March 12, 2015, 07:27:03 PM
so is the 54 being withdrawn from Bilbrook & Codsall
Yes, the 3 or 4 is replacing it around there.
Yes, WN4 is replacing the 54 in that area, every other 4 will extend to Bilbrook and Codsall
WTF! 54 W'TON - STAFFORD!
Cheers For that info Cheese & Alex
Wonder how the services will last for, if I54 is subsidising?
IKEA subsidised a WMT route between Walsall & Wednesbury which only lasted a year.
How do you get to IKEA thesedays?
With difficulty!
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
They still operate outside wm quite a bit tbf, the burntwood service for example and the codsall ones. You never knowmmaybe next time the evening cannock services come up for tender again maybe theyll go for them
Quote from: Gareth on March 12, 2015, 07:10:05 PM
As a user of the 14, I'm wondering what are the benefits of extending the service to Bluebell Drive?
Are there other less frequent services that currently go there, thus improving links for local people to and from the shopping centre and/or Birmingham?
I would of thought the 97 would have been curtailed, to provide those folk with a more direct city link since loss of 96/97a. Plus a new estate is being created in that area so could be to do with that
Does this mean the 97 will still be running on Yorkminster drive?
Good luck to to NXWM thing the service has a better future that a route sponsored by a retailer, I live at Penkridge so it will be nice to have a decent service with newer buses than what Arriva operate, unlike some on here I like the enviro 200, Interesting Arriva are withdrawing there 4A just when it was starting to get more passengers, wonder if they will incorporate it into the revised 76 service.
I see a new pass launching the black country and staffordshire faresaver. Would be awesome if the existing black country faresaver is made to cover those extensions into staffs
Pity the nbus won't be valid on the extensions of those routes
Although the reason Tony gave for 861-863 is true (Replacing B6's), the 54 extensions is the real reason why we are getting 3 E200's.
Quote from: woody38 on March 12, 2015, 08:05:10 PM
Good luck to to NXWM thing the service has a better future that a route sponsored by a retailer, I live at Penkridge so it will be nice to have a decent service with newer buses than what Arriva operate, unlike some on here I like the enviro 200, Interesting Arriva are withdrawing there 4A just when it was starting to get more passengers, wonder if they will incorporate it into the revised 76 service.
The revised 76 service (as it currently is) will not be replacing the 4A.
At least if Wednesfield do operate the 76, they can use the Cento's displaced off the 4A.
i'd have thought b7's would be the better choice of vehicle for the stafford service
Arriva Wednesfield withdrawing another route.
Good job they appear to have more work to replace it.
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 13, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
They are not competitive routes, they are being introduced with funding to give I54 new transport links and were put out to tender, which NX won. I'm sure Arriva would have also submitted bids to operate them.
Quote from: Winston on March 13, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 13, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
They are not competitive routes, they are being introduced with funding to give I54 new transport links and were put out to tender, which NX won. I'm sure Arriva would have also submitted bids to operate them.
Maybe a 254 might be introduced in the future to link Telford to the i54?
Quote from: Winston on March 13, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 13, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
They are not competitive routes, they are being introduced with funding to give I54 new transport links and were put out to tender, which NX won. I'm sure Arriva would have also submitted bids to operate them.
Winston,I realise they were put out to tender,and if only passengers to the i54 could use them I could understand,but if. Route from Wolverhampton to Stafford,or to Hednesford,is not competing with the incumbent operator then what is it?
Could I give a sum of money under tender to an operator to compete on say the outer circle would that not be illegal,if not,then why not.
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 13, 2015, 03:15:10 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 13, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Quote from: arrifirststage on March 13, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
They are not competitive routes, they are being introduced with funding to give I54 new transport links and were put out to tender, which NX won. I'm sure Arriva would have also submitted bids to operate them.
Winston,I realise they were put out to tender,and if only passengers to the i54 could use them I could understand,but if. Route from Wolverhampton to Stafford,or to Hednesford,is not competing with the incumbent operator then what is it?
Could I give a sum of money under tender to an operator to compete on say the outer circle would that not be illegal,if not,then why not.
When these services were put out to tender there was not a service from Hednesford/Cannock to i54 or from Stafford to i54. The tender was for services making those connections. NX have decided the easiest way to operate these services is by using buses getting to the i54 on the current 54 service. It is only since the tenders for these services that Arriva have changed the 76 to go via i54.
Arriva still don't operate a Monday to Friday service between Hednesford and Wolverhampton.
Are you saying that Centro shouldn't be able to put the 424 out to tender because there is already a bus service between Perry Barr and City?
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Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:38:32 PM
Where are all those people who keep posting NXWM 'don't want to operate outside the West Midlands' ?
Tony,can you please explain how this subsidy works? On the face of things it appears almost illegal that a competitive route can be introduced with a subsidy unless there is a restriction that passengers can only travel to i54.........or am I missing something?
Could you please explain.
They are not competitive routes, they are being introduced with funding to give I54 new transport links and were put out to tender, which NX won. I'm sure Arriva would have also submitted bids to operate them.
Winston,I realise they were put out to tender,and if only passengers to the i54 could use them I could understand,but if. Route from Wolverhampton to Stafford,or to Hednesford,is not competing with the incumbent operator then what is it?
Could I give a sum of money under tender to an operator to compete on say the outer circle would that not be illegal,if not,then why not.
When these services were put out to tender there was not a service from Hednesford/Cannock to i54 or from Stafford to i54. The tender was for services making those connections. NX have decided the easiest way to operate these services is by using buses getting to the i54 on the current 54 service. It is only since the tenders for these services that Arriva have changed the 76 to go via i54.
Arriva still don't operate a Monday to Friday service between Hednesford and Wolverhampton.
Are you saying that Centro shouldn't be able to put the 424 out to tender because there is already a bus service between Perry Barr and City?
Thanks Tony,your explanation does make it somewhat clearer,and if anything then I suppose that it is Arriva who are responding to circumstances rather than NX.
It will still be interesting though to see what happens to both operators when the funding ends.
@arrifirststage I suppose then it depends on numbers
Any idea what route will be taken between Hednesford and Cannock tony?
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 13, 2015, 04:48:11 PM
@arrifirststage I suppose then it depends on numbers
Well they never kept the 316 IKEA bus on, did they?
Any ideas of which route the extended 14 route will take i.e the old 96 or through the new development?
theres no details on centro website re 74/75 having a new timetable.
Quote from: wembley86 on March 23, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
theres no details on centro website re 74/75 having a new timetable.
There won't be as they don't come into the Centro area!
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2015, 07:55:22 PM
There won't be as they don't come into the Centro area!
I think you find the Soho Rd comes fully within the Centro area ;)
The NWM website also fails to mention the 4 going to Codsall (Says its just going to I54)
It also fails to say about the 79 route change (Just says minor timetable amendments)
Quote from: Nathan on March 23, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
I think you find the Soho Rd comes fully within the Centro area ;)
The NWM website also fails to mention the 4 going to Codsall (Says its just going to I54)
It also fails to say about the 79 route change (Just says minor timetable amendments)
Sorry, I am on Arriva 74/75 which are rumoured to be changing the same day!
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
Sorry, I am on Arriva 74/75 which are rumoured to be changing the same day!
I hope arriva don't leave it til the last minute to publicise the changes like they usually do!
Where would you find details of the changes as staffordshire website isn't as good as nwm (never thought I'd say that lol) with details of march changes but nothing since
Youll find them on arriva site in may lol
Quote from: Steveminor on March 23, 2015, 09:34:24 PM
Where would you find details of the changes as staffordshire website isn't as good as nwm (never thought I'd say that lol) with details of march changes but nothing since
Changes for April will be posted on the site in April.
I take it the new 154 & 54 extened to Stafford u will be able to use your bus TWM passes all the way
Quote from: Solo1 on March 25, 2015, 04:08:20 PM
I take it the new 154 & 54 extened to Stafford u will be able to use your bus TWM passes all the way
I believe so. Regional passes will be at least.
Im hoping you can buy a daysaver at cannock. Should imagine so, you can on the X51
The timetables for these services are now on the NWM website.
Like how X96 is now Wollaston Farm to Upper Gornal which isnthe top of eve's lane/burton road. Maybe if nx change the destination blinds to say Lower Gornal instead of Wrens Nest people wouldn't get confused at Merry Hill.
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 03, 2015, 10:56:47 AM
Like how X96 is now Wollaston Farm to Upper Gornal which isnthe top of eve's lane/burton road. Maybe if nx change the destination blinds to say Lower Gornal instead of Wrens Nest people wouldn't get confused at Merry Hill.
That would make a lot of sense to be fair. I'd prefer it to show Upper Gornal as it just adds a differance between wollaston farm and wrens nest.
Great that the 154 is serving Chadsmoor. Means my mum and her mate will be able to go shopping in Wolverhampton.
I believe Daysavers and regional travelcards will be valid
Quote from: Matt on April 03, 2015, 11:50:33 AM
Does anyone know if the full 54/154 routes are covered by the standard NX daysaver/passes or will there be a more expensive ticket/pass to cover the full routes to Stafford, Cannock and Hednesford.
Daysavers and Regional Travelcards will be valid.
Its quite a clever route really (154), as between hesnesford and cannock it follows the 31 route from the co op at blackfords onward and also the 25 as far as chadsmoor high st and then competes with the 70 to wolves. Also could get cannock to cheslyn hay passengers
lets hope people use it!!!!!
Quote from: Bob on April 03, 2015, 01:02:11 PM
Its quite a clever route really (154), as between hesnesford and cannock it follows the 31 route from the co op at blackfords onward and also the 25 as far as chadsmoor high st and then competes with the 70 to wolves. Also could get cannock to cheslyn hay passengers
It doesn't compete with the 70, it goes down Stafford Rd not Cannock Rd. The 54/154 combine to create the same frequency between Wolves and I54 as it is at present.
Erm so the 70 doesnt go from cannock to cheslyn hay or Featherstone then??
Quote from: Bob on April 03, 2015, 09:00:50 PM
Erm so the 70 doesnt go from cannock to cheslyn hay or Featherstone then??
how about it could go on to the m54 to i54 by pass that way
Quote from: jack4325 on April 03, 2015, 09:03:43 PM
how about it could go on to the m54 to i54 by pass that way
It will enter the I54 via the new M54 link road.
IS the 54 going through i54 or doubling back as the NWM map suggests?
Quote from: mikestone on April 04, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
IS the 54 going through i54 or doubling back as the NWM map suggests?
According to the direction sheets a driver has showed me, yes.
54 and 154 service both go through to and from wolves.
Doesn't seem to be any mention on i54s website.
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Does anybody use the existing 54 between Pendeford and Bilbrook as the service seems to be withdrawn over that section without replacement?
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There seems to be an odd 12.58 departure from Stafford, presumably for 14.00 shift changes.
Quote from: mikestone on April 05, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
Doesn't seem to be any mention on i54s website.
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Does anybody use the existing 54 between Pendeford and Bilbrook as the service seems to be withdrawn over that section without replacement?
That section of route will be covered by the extension of every other 4 to Codsall
Quote from: Alex on April 05, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
That section of route will be covered by the extension of every other 4 to Codsall
That doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere, NWM service changes page just mentions extension to the business park, and the timetables page doesn't show a new timetable for it when there are the new ones for 54 and 154
Quote from: Kevin on April 05, 2015, 02:20:44 PM
That doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere, NWM service changes page just mentions extension to the business park, and the timetables page doesn't show a new timetable for it when there are the new ones for 54 and 154
NWM have got some things wrong. The 4 will be extending to Codsall every 30 mins.
The 54/154 will go straight through the I54 and not double back on itself to Wobaston Rd like suggested on the map on the NWM site.
It has the 79 down as minor timetable changes however, it will have a route change in Darlaston to serve Herberts Park (Same as 39)
Just on 4975 and it has 24/7 service starting 26th april. Can't see it on nwm site or nx's. Thought it was going to start in may sometime
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 08, 2015, 01:55:41 PM
Just on 4975 and it has 24/7 service starting 26th april. Can't see it on nwm site or nx's. Thought it was going to start in may sometime
See the 7th Message in this topic where I posted that the 74 would be going 24 hour. Topic title gives you the date.
Quote from: Dutsey on March 12, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
Does this mean the 97 will still be running on Yorkminster drive?
NetworkWM advanced timetable confirms 97 will be curtailed at Chelmsley Rd/Helmswood Dr given the extension of the 14 to Yorkminster Dr/Bluebell Dr.
Service changes for 26 April are now on the NXWM website.
It states that Daysavers & Regional Travelcards will be valid throughout the 54 & 154 services, but that Black Country Travel Cards are only valid as far as Coven on the 54 (they can be used through to Hednesford on the 154).
Quote from: notepanel on April 08, 2015, 07:29:06 PM
Service changes for 26 April are now on the NXWM website.
It states that Daysavers & Regional Travelcards will be valid throughout the 54 & 154 services, but that Black Country Travel Cards are only valid as far as Coven on the 54 (they can be used through to Hednesford on the 154).
As I have stated in the Wolverhampton Garage thread. Where do I find the changes on the site? I've not long been on there and it didn't appear to be published
EDIT:
Found it. Had to click on Information then Service Changes.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/
Nice to see in Walsall Travel Shop, what appears to be a full set of leaflets for the weekend.
Makes a change.
Specially printed timetables booklets now available for the 54/154.
I really hope the 54 & particularly 154 are a hit & give arriva a run for their money! The 154 has the added advantage of Hednesford & Chadsmoor passengers going to wolves. The only disadvantage is artiva three buses sn hour to wolves compared to the 154 being hourly. The 54 has the potential to really screw arriva's 76 over though. Brand new buses too compared with whatever scrap Wednesfield will stick on there!
Quote from: Nathan on April 23, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
Specially printed timetables booklets now available for the 54/154.
Nx printed rather than Nwm printed.
Thats a first for a few years surely?
Quote from: Nathan on April 23, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
Specially printed timetables booklets now available for the 54/154.
Quote from: Westy on April 24, 2015, 07:40:17 AM
Nx printed rather than Nwm printed.
Thats a first for a few years surely?
Can you get them from Walsall or are Yet they only available in Wolverhampton?
Quote from: John on April 24, 2015, 07:43:42 AM
Can you get them from Walsall or are Yet they only available in Wolverhampton?
I haven't seen in WA but they are avaliable in W'ton on request.
what's the point of them being available on request - are all employees at i54 issued with crystal balls?
Quote from: mikestone on April 24, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
what's the point of them being available on request - are all employees at i54 issued with crystal balls?
Because most sensible people will walk into a travelshop, and if they cannot see the timetable they require will ask the staff if there is one. They will then receive it.
If the initial delivery was only a small number, putting them in the display racks will result in kleptomaniacs and the likes of members of this forum all taking one (or several in some cases) and then be none left for the people who really need them, the employees you mention.
I walked into Pool Meadow Bus Station yesterday and asked if they had the new timetable for Johnsons 87 that starts next Monday and was told they hadn't received any yet. Fortunately I picked up the last three copies from Pavilions travel shop earlier, the two spares have already been accepted by people who will use them.
West Midlands bus users deserve a better culture of communication than this!
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
Because most sensible people will walk into a travelshop, and if they cannot see the timetable they require will ask the staff if there is one. They will then receive it.
If the initial delivery was only a small number, putting them in the display racks will result in kleptomaniacs and the likes of members of this forum all taking one (or several in some cases) and then be none left for the people who really need them, the employees you mention.
Fair point, but the extra copies do get passed onto other people who cannot get down to the Travelshop for one reason or another.
At least they havent gone down the road of charging 10p for a photocopy like Lichfield & Kidderminster I believe.
(Cheeky so & so's. Why dont they get the proper leaflets from the bus company? I remember you could get proper leaflets from the old Lichfield Bus Station enquiry office!)
Quote from: mikestone on April 24, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
what's the point of them being available on request - are all employees at i54 issued with crystal balls?
A more successful approach could be to issue email copies to all firms on the site, for them to broadcast issue as emails to all staff - thus raising everyone's awareness in a short time.
Quote from: Westy on April 23, 2015, 07:22:06 PM
Nice to see in Walsall Travel Shop, what appears to be a full set of leaflets for the weekend.
Makes a change.
I didn't see any at walsall travel shop but the travel shop in Birmingham
Has some of the changes
Quote from: don on April 24, 2015, 02:00:26 PM
A more successful approach could be to issue email copies to all firms on the site, for them to broadcast issue as emails to all staff - thus raising everyone's awareness in a short time.
As the service is sponsored by the i54 I would be very surprised if they hadn't given all the resident companies copies of the timetables!
Quote from: Bob on April 23, 2015, 09:43:43 PM
I really hope the 54 & particularly 154 are a hit & give arriva a run for their money! The 154 has the added advantage of Hednesford & Chadsmoor passengers going to wolves. The only disadvantage is artiva three buses sn hour to wolves compared to the 154 being hourly. The 54 has the potential to really screw arriva's 76 over though. Brand new buses too compared with whatever scrap Wednesfield will stick on there!
Scrap?
Quote from: Tony on April 24, 2015, 06:17:00 PM
As the service is sponsored by the i54 I would be very surprised if they hadn't given all the resident companies copies of the timetables!
or been printed and sat in somebody's office
Quote from: BN on April 24, 2015, 07:34:35 PM
Scrap?
13 y.o + SB120s? If theyre anything like some of Cannocks...also even Cannock lately have used mainly full size vehicles on there so are Arriva forward planninga drop in custom ? :-p
Quote from: Bob on April 24, 2015, 08:04:52 PM
13 y.o + SB120s? If theyre anything like some of Cannocks...also even Cannock lately have used mainly full size vehicles on there so are Arriva forward planninga drop in custom ? :-p
Some were from CK! They're not brilliant but on the other hand they're not terrible either.
Quote from: Nathan on April 24, 2015, 08:09:53 PM
Some were from CK! They're not brilliant but on the other hand they're not terrible either.
Knackered, rotten W reg solos gone, replaced by 02 reg, extremely reliable tidy ex Shrewsbury Sb 120's. I think they've done ok there.
Quote from: Nathan on April 24, 2015, 08:09:53 PM
Some were from CK! They're not brilliant but on the other hand they're not terrible either.
Theyre not brilliant in comparison to brand new buses, which is what theyll be up against. If you ever had to go on cannocks BU03 HRK you would think differently. Its got easily the worst interior in the midlands fleet. Theyre refurbished yea but its still a 13 yr old bus lol. The legroom is quite bad also similar to a nx b6, the only ones I can sit on without getting my knees crushed are the four facing each other ones, so tall people are screwed. Lol
Quote from: BN on April 24, 2015, 08:28:24 PM
Knackered, rotten W reg solos gone, replaced by 02 reg, extremely reliable tidy ex Shrewsbury Sb 120's. I think they've done ok there.
Extremely reliable? Was it just Stafford garage that were seemingly incapable of keeping theirs on the road then? Jeez
Quote from: Bob on April 24, 2015, 08:42:03 PM
Extremely reliable? Was it just Stafford garage that were seemingly incapable of keeping theirs on the road then? Jeez
Read the quote Bob, Shrewsbury didn't have every Sb120 Arriva own.
I have read it, and your stating that Shrewsburys examples are tidy reliable etc. So im asking was it justs staffords that were unroadworthy most of the time then? Or were they incapable of maintenance?
Quote from: JoNi on April 24, 2015, 12:33:50 PM
I walked into Pool Meadow Bus Station yesterday and asked if they had the new timetable for Johnsons 87 that starts next Monday and was told they hadn't received any yet. Fortunately I picked up the last three copies from Pavilions travel shop earlier, the two spares have already been accepted by people who will use them.
West Midlands bus users deserve a better culture of communication than this!
I was in Pool Meadow this evening and the departures board on the 900 stand said '87 Solihull - go to stand E'. I went to E and the 87 timetable was there but said terminating Balsall Common. No leaflets available and the printed departure board said 87 Balsall Common, so I gave up and waited for the 82 but just missed a Solo on the 87 with Solihull on the display. Shambles!