I know there's been discussion about this on several parts of the forum, but just to make it a bit clearer I've created this new topic.
Several NXWM registrations have appeared on VOSA today from 26 January, mainly in the Black Country:
*Route & Timetable change to the 40/41 (confirmed to be a route change on the 40)
*Route & Timetable change on the 69
*Timetable change on the 70/70A (presumably to do with the 69)
*Timetable change on the 8/89
*Route & Timetable change on the 82/82A
*Timetable changes for the 74, 75 & 79
*Timetable change for the 5 (Sutton)
*Route change on the 82 (Wolves)
*Cancellation of the 26
*Route & Timetable change on 25/25A
*Timetable & Route change on the 28
Do you know what the route changes are for the 40/1 and 69?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 05, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
Do you know what the route changes are for the 40/1 and 69?
No, I believe it is only the 40 route that is changing though. Interestingly, the 28 route is also changing (which is currently the 15 minute link between Willenhall-New Invention with the 41)
Quote from: notepanel on December 05, 2013, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 05, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
Do you know what the route changes are for the 40/1 and 69?
No, I believe it is only the 40 route that is changing though. Interestingly, the 28 route is also changing (which is currently the 15 minute link between Willenhall-New Invention with the 41)
Is the 28 changing on the Willenhall/New Invention end or the New Cross Hospital/Wolverhampton end?
PD0001111/20 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Mossley, Eagle Hotel given service number 70/70A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/56 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Park Street and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 40/41 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/81 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre, Upper Bull Street and Dudley, Bus Station given service number 74/75 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.PD0001111/99 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Upper Bull Street and Wolverhampton, Bus Station given service number 79 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/131 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sutton Coldfield, Lower Parade and West Bromwich, Bus Station given service number 5 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/194 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton, Bus Station and Dudley, Bus Station given service number 82 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/222 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bridge Streett and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 69 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/283 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Bilston Bus Station given service number 26 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0001111/528 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Wolverhampton Bus Station given service number 682/682A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/649 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Wolverhampton given service number 8/89 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/670 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 28 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/671 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Bilston, Bus Station given service number 25/25A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
With regards to the 25/A,26 and 62/A changes,
The 62 may be withdrawn in April
Also in April the 25/6 will be joined up to create the 25A/25C circular route
I wonder what the route changes for the 28,62/A,69and 82?
Am I understanding this correctly?
40/41 will terminate in Willenhall?
69 will terminate in Willenhall?
79 will extend and terminate in Birmingham?
82 route will be changed - which end? Dudley or Wolverhampton?
I'm only interested in those routes above.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 05, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Am I understanding this correctly?
79 will extend and terminate in Birmingham?
I'm only interested in those routes above.
No, the 79 is not being extended to Birmingham. It is still on the 'old' registration, and probably hasn't been updated.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 05, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Am I understanding this correctly?
40/41 will terminate in Willenhall?
69 will terminate in Willenhall?
79 will extend and terminate in Birmingham?
82 route will be changed - which end? Dudley or Wolverhampton?
I'm only interested in those routes above.
Those are probably old VOSA registrations? The 40 and 69 I cannot see being stopped going to Wolverhampton as both routes are well used at the Wolverhampton end.
Also yet again another 89 timetable change, Only changed at the end of October!
Quote from: Stu on December 05, 2013, 07:14:09 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 05, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Am I understanding this correctly?
79 will extend and terminate in Birmingham?
I'm only interested in those routes above.
No, the 79 is not being extended to Birmingham. It is still on the 'old' registration, and probably hasn't been updated.
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Having one Sunday walked from Darlaston to Wolverhampton without one passing me, and regularly having to wait 45 minutes for one I should hope not!
Stu - Thank you for the clarification.
Trident4609 - Okay, I see, that's alright then. I'm curious as to what changes they may be then. 😊
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 05, 2013, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 05, 2013, 07:09:59 PM
Am I understanding this correctly?
40/41 will terminate in Willenhall?
69 will terminate in Willenhall?
79 will extend and terminate in Birmingham?
82 route will be changed - which end? Dudley or Wolverhampton?
I'm only interested in those routes above.
Those are probably old VOSA registrations? The 40 and 69 I cannot see being stopped going to Wolverhampton as both routes are well used at the Wolverhampton end.
Also yet again another 89 timetable change, Only changed at the end of October!
The 40 is fairly well used, but as long as it continues to serve Willenhall & Wolverhampton, the route it takes isn't as important (at one point the 333 detoured off the main road into Wolves twice). It could end up doing something ridiculous like from Willenhall go via Bilston and then the 26 route to Wolverhampton! But I don't think it will!
I did wonder if perhaps the ends of the 40/69 could be switched, so from Stroud Avenue the 40 may go via Coppice Farm & Wednesfield into Wolves, and the 69 could follow the old 369 route to Willenhall, then the 529 route into Willenhall. That would allow the 28 to perhaps follow a different route into Willenhall, which could then allow the 25 to go a different route perhaps, and would also help the long protests from people around Pool Hayes who lost the link to Sainsburys Reedswood?
FFS the only route i get everyday they make a change i hope to god it's not massive for the 82(WN) any ideas of what it could be?
Quote from: domino.99 on December 05, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
FFS the only route i get everyday they make a change i hope to god it's not massive for the 82(WN) any ideas of what it could be?
Potentially it could be something very trivial, such as exiting Bilston bus station via the Black Country Route rather than Hall Street for instance.
Quote from: notepanel on December 05, 2013, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: domino.99 on December 05, 2013, 08:31:04 PM
FFS the only route i get everyday they make a change i hope to god it's not massive for the 82(WN) any ideas of what it could be?
Potentially it could be something very trivial, such as exiting Bilston bus station via the Black Country Route rather than Hall Street for instance.
which the drivers still probably wont follow also it could be summet like making it go into wolverhampton the old 583,544 did
Quote from: pb2012 on December 05, 2013, 06:57:50 PM
PD0001111/20 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Mossley, Eagle Hotel given service number 70/70A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/56 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Park Street and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 40/41 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/81 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre, Upper Bull Street and Dudley, Bus Station given service number 74/75 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.PD0001111/99 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre, Upper Bull Street and Wolverhampton, Bus Station given service number 79 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/131 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sutton Coldfield, Lower Parade and West Bromwich, Bus Station given service number 5 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/194 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton, Bus Station and Dudley, Bus Station given service number 82 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
PD0001111/222 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bridge Streett and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 69 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/283 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Bilston Bus Station given service number 26 effective from 26-Jan-2014.
PD0001111/528 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Wolverhampton Bus Station given service number 682/682A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/649 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Wolverhampton given service number 8/89 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/670 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 28 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/671 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Bilston, Bus Station given service number 25/25A effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Blimey, some of that info is wrong / out of date.
70/70A doesn't go to Mossley Eagle Hotel.
Park Street in Walsall hasn't been used as a terminus for years & Bridge Street was only used as a terminus while they were building the bus station.
Quote from: Westy on December 05, 2013, 10:29:46 PM
Blimey, some of that info is wrong / out of date.
70/70A doesn't go to Mossley Eagle Hotel.
Park Street in Walsall hasn't been used as a terminus for years & Bridge Street was only used as a terminus while they were building the bus station.
From what I can tell VOSA registrations are notoriously out of date
Quote from: Kevin on December 05, 2013, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 05, 2013, 10:29:46 PM
Blimey, some of that info is wrong / out of date.
70/70A doesn't go to Mossley Eagle Hotel.
Park Street in Walsall hasn't been used as a terminus for years & Bridge Street was only used as a terminus while they were building the bus station.
From what I can tell VOSA registrations are notoriously out of date
Which is why people shouldn't get excited and start jumping to conclusions when they get announced. ::)
Some of the changes are now detailed on Councillor Ian Shires webpage.
* The 28 will no longer serve the loop in Ashmore Park
* The 40 will operate via Clarkes Lane & Portobello Estate. (I'm assuming here it will operate via Clarkes Lane to the Temple, then 529 route into Willenhall & will operate the previous 333 route after Willenhall).
* The 69 will after Coppice Farm basically follow the 89 route into Wolverhampton. It will no longer serve the bus station, operating a loop via Broad St, Lichfield St, Victoria St, Cleveland St, and Market St. I believe this is the route of the original 69 which lasted about 6 weeks prior to being amended after the initial review.
Also of note, from the same date Diamond are apparently withdrawing Evening journeys off the 301.
I've also been informed from a Park Lane driver that the 28 will leave Wolverhampton like the 59 (Pipers Row,Queen St,Princess St and Broad St)
I presume the 69 will stop serving the bus station because of low passenger loadings from the station?
Btw the 69 used to also go straight down Lichfield Rd towards Wednesfield (Like 59/89) unread of Linthouse Lane,Ridge Lane,Moathouse Lane West and Wood-End Rd
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 17, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
I've also been informed from a Park Lane driver that the 28 will leave Wolverhampton like the 59 (Pipers Row,Queen St,Princess St and Broad St)
I presume the 69 will stop serving the bus station because of low passenger loadings from the station?
Btw the 69 used to also go straight down Lichfield Rd towards Wednesfield (Like 59/89) unread of Linthouse Lane,Ridge Lane,Moathouse Lane West and Wood-End Rd
Does this mean the 69 now follows the 89 route exactly between Coppice Farm and Wolverhampton? (i.e. missing out Moathouse Lane, etc)
Would imagine it will still go up Linthouse Lane as there are good loadings to that part of the route. Reason it was rerouted up there was so that part had a bus service after the old 525 was altered heavily then the 28 served Ridge Lane then Bellamy Lane but was altered to serve Wood End so they were left without a bus service so the 69 was rerouted to serve there.
If it does go straight down Lichfield Rd then I can't see the point of it going to Wolverhampton as there are already enough buses that serve that line of route.
One thing I have thought about is either the 69 or 89 possibly serving Bentley Bridge (Past Sainsbury's then onto Wednesfield Way then back down New Cross Avenue to By New Cross Hosp) because lots of people use the bus for Bentley Bridge but apart from the 63 which doesn't give a direct link and is hourly there isn't another service that serves the complex. I do think the idea could boost passenger numbers and i do personally think its a good idea
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 24-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
Quote from: pb2012 on December 17, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 24-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
Is this got to do with the 73 instead of turning left out of Sedgemere Road up Garretts Green Lane turn round at the Island and go back down to Horrell Road and changing to turning right out of Sedgemere Road by any chance :)
The change to the 73 route described by Rob4367 took place about Dec 1st with very little notice.
Quote from: notepanel on December 17, 2013, 05:47:35 PM
Some of the changes are now detailed on Councillor Ian Shires webpage.
* The 28 will no longer serve the loop in Ashmore Park
* The 40 will operate via Clarkes Lane & Portobello Estate. (I'm assuming here it will operate via Clarkes Lane to the Temple, then 529 route into Willenhall & will operate the previous 333 route after Willenhall).
* The 69 will after Coppice Farm basically follow the 89 route into Wolverhampton. It will no longer serve the bus station, operating a loop via Broad St, Lichfield St, Victoria St, Cleveland St, and Market St. I believe this is the route of the original 69 which lasted about 6 weeks prior to being amended after the initial review.
Also of note, from the same date Diamond are apparently withdrawing Evening journeys off the 301.
Re the 40, doesn't that leave the Stringes Lane (I think) area without an evening & Sunday bus now as the only other bus is the 326 which doesn't?
As for the 301, dunno why Diamond bothered with the evening service anyway as most people wait for Nx for the returns!
Have we got any news on whats happening to the 82 yet?
Quote from: domino.99 on December 17, 2013, 08:29:36 PM
Have we got any news on whats happening to the 82 yet?
I would imagine it would only be minor as it only has it down as a route change and no timetable changes so i can't imagine a big route change
I hope not the thing is i've been told that if we are getting a route change we will definatley have a large timetable change
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
Quote from: notepanel on December 17, 2013, 05:47:35 PM
Some of the changes are now detailed on Councillor Ian Shires webpage.
* The 28 will no longer serve the loop in Ashmore Park
* The 40 will operate via Clarkes Lane & Portobello Estate. (I'm assuming here it will operate via Clarkes Lane to the Temple, then 529 route into Willenhall & will operate the previous 333 route after Willenhall).
* The 69 will after Coppice Farm basically follow the 89 route into Wolverhampton. It will no longer serve the bus station, operating a loop via Broad St, Lichfield St, Victoria St, Cleveland St, and Market St. I believe this is the route of the original 69 which lasted about 6 weeks prior to being amended after the initial review.
Also of note, from the same date Diamond are apparently withdrawing Evening journeys off the 301.
Re the 40, doesn't that leave the Stringes Lane (I think) area without an evening & Sunday bus now as the only other bus is the 326 which doesn't?
As for the 301, dunno why Diamond bothered with the evening service anyway as most people wait for Nx for the returns!
Regards the 40, yes it would.
Whilst the connection to the temple may potentially be of some use to some, the stops along Stringes Lane (by Powertrain & St Annes Road) usually always have people boarding from there. That said, the X31 would quite often pick up at bus stops on Clarkes Lane, however this road can become quite congested at times.
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 17, 2013, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on December 17, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 24-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
Is this got to do with the 73 instead of turning left out of Sedgemere Road up Garretts Green Lane turn round at the Island and go back down to Horrell Road and changing to turning right out of Sedgemere Road by any chance :)
It might be getting cut from Birmingham to serve Solihull - Heartlands (or somewhere nearby). Wasn't this mentioned a while back
Quote from: John on December 18, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 17, 2013, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on December 17, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
PD0001111/654 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Heartlands Hospital and Solihull Station given service number 73 effective from 24-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
Is this got to do with the 73 instead of turning left out of Sedgemere Road up Garretts Green Lane turn round at the Island and go back down to Horrell Road and changing to turning right out of Sedgemere Road by any chance :)
It might be getting cut from Birmingham to serve Solihull - Heartlands (or somewhere nearby). Wasn't this mentioned a while back
That was part of the south b'ham review, so if it happens will happen in feb?
Has anybody got any info on WN62/62A changes?
Quote from: Ashley on December 24, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
Has anybody got any info on WN62/62A changes?
The only thing mentioned on the list of changes on the NWM site are -
Minor timetable amendments, and both routes amended to operate via Gorsebrook Road
Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 08:08:14 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 24, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
Has anybody got any info on WN62/62A changes?
The only thing mentioned on the list of changes on the NWM site are -
Minor timetable amendments, and both routes amended to operate via Gorsebrook Road
Presumably up Stafford Rd then left down Gorsebrook Rd then right onto current route?
Wolverhampton and Walsall Changes from 26th January:
Route 10 (Arriva Midlands)- One journey an hour will be extended from Perton to Pattingham as Service 10A,One journey every 2 hours will be extended to Codsall from Perton as the 10B. Then the 10 will operate every two hours to Perton as it does now retaining the current frequency combined. Sunday frequency will be kept the same terminating as it does now at Perton
Route 25- Route withdrawn and replaced with Circular services 25A/C
Route 25A- Route extended from W'ton to Bilston via the 26 route creating a Circular W'ton-Wton service. Also amended to serve former 25 route via New Cross Hospital instead of the current 25A route via Long Knowle and Cannock Rd. Also amended to serve the new i54 site
25C-New service basically the reverse of the 25A
26-Service withdrawn and replaced with new circular services 25/A
40-Route amended to serve Clarkes Lane and Portobello Estate. Timetable amended accordingly
41-Timetable Amended
X51/X56- Route amended in Birmingham to operate into the city via the 51 route
62/A- Route amended to serve Stafford Rd and Gorsebrook Rd
68- (Arriva Midlands) Off Peak Journeys amended in Great Wyrley
69- Will operate straight down Lichfield Rd (Like route 59) instead of Linthouse Lane and terminus point in Wolverhampton from W'ton Bus Station to Victoria St. Timetable amended accordingly
70/A-Timetable changes in reponse to changes to the 69
82- Route amended to operate Via Deansfield Rd and Willenhall Rd in and out of Wolverhampton
89-Timetable amended during Peak Times and Saturday daytimes
516/7-Services Withdrawn and replaced with extended journeys of service 10 from Perton to Pattingham (As the 10A) and to Codsall (As service 10B)
Thanks John and Nathan for the info :)
Nooooooo! X51/X56 no longer using that bus stop on Newton street! Damn, further to walk in town in the morning then, lol
I assume the 40 is basically doing a bit of the old 333 route between Willenhall and Wolves then?
Intrigued by Arriva's 10A and 10B though, could be worth exploring on a day off
Yes Kevin, the 40 will follow the old 333 route through portobello from Willenhall to Wolverhampton. Makes you wonder why Centro make some of the route changes taht they do because theres three in the above list reverting to the former and more logical lines of routes no doubt after 2 years of complaints
Quote from: Kevin on December 26, 2013, 09:49:39 AM
Nooooooo! X51/X56 no longer using that bus stop on Newton street! Damn, further to walk in town in the morning then, lol
I assume the 40 is basically doing a bit of the old 333 route between Willenhall and Wolves then?
Intrigued by Arriva's 10A and 10B though, could be worth exploring on a day off
The 10A/B i presume will be replacing the 516/7 which will be withdrawn
Yes
Quote from: Nathan on December 26, 2013, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: Kevin on December 26, 2013, 09:49:39 AM
Nooooooo! X51/X56 no longer using that bus stop on Newton street! Damn, further to walk in town in the morning then, lol
I assume the 40 is basically doing a bit of the old 333 route between Willenhall and Wolves then?
Intrigued by Arriva's 10A and 10B though, could be worth exploring on a day off
The 10A/B i presume will be replacing the 516/7 which will be withdrawn
10A is replacing 516/517, looks like the 10B will be covering the same route as the 88A perton to codsall
Quote from: Ashley on December 26, 2013, 11:15:17 AM
Yes Kevin, the 40 will follow the old 333 route through portobello from Willenhall to Wolverhampton. Makes you wonder why Centro make some of the route changes taht they do because theres three in the above list reverting to the former and more logical lines of routes no doubt after 2 years of complaints
Also the 40 will run from Lodge Farm straight down Clarkes Lane to Shepwell Green then into Willenhall via the 529 route.
This partially restores part of the x31 but Stringes Lane loses its evening & Sunday service, being left with service 326.
On the subject of Clarkes Lane, would I be correct in thinking previous to the x31, the last regular journey along that section would've been a one way Monday to Friday journey prior to deregulation on former service 328?
Quote from: Westy on December 26, 2013, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 26, 2013, 11:15:17 AM
Yes Kevin, the 40 will follow the old 333 route through portobello from Willenhall to Wolverhampton. Makes you wonder why Centro make some of the route changes taht they do because theres three in the above list reverting to the former and more logical lines of routes no doubt after 2 years of complaints
Also the 40 will run from Lodge Farm straight down Clarkes Lane to Shepwell Green then into Willenhall via the 529 route.
This partially restores part of the x31 but Stringes Lane loses its evening & Sunday service, being left with service 326.
On the subject of Clarkes Lane, would I be correct in thinking previous to the x31, the last regular journey along that section would've been a one way Monday to Friday journey prior to deregulation on former service 328?
The 303 (Bilston - County Bridge), currently serves the vast majority of Clarkes Lane, albeit only runs off-peak hours.
I am concerned about potential traffic congestion on that part of the route though!
Geez with the 82 going down Deansfield Road that means I lose my direct bus to Heath Town.
I don't think those at the West end of Deans Road are going to be happy.
Plus, those four bus stops they placed on Deans Road to accommodate the 82 were ultimately a waste of money.
Oh well at least the 40 is going into Portobello.
Rerouting the 82 back to previous seems very odd to me, guessing there's a reason but seems to inconvenience more people to me.
On a side note, the route change on the X51 in the city centre is advertised on a poster on the bus this morning as starting on the 5th!
Quote from: Kevin on December 30, 2013, 07:55:38 AM
Rerouting the 82 back to previous seems very odd to me, guessing there's a reason but seems to inconvenience more people to me.
On a side note, the route change on the X51 in the city centre is advertised on a poster on the bus this morning as starting on the 5th!
The X51 change is on the list of changes from the 5th:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/05January2014.aspx
Quote from: Kevin on December 30, 2013, 07:55:38 AM
Rerouting the 82 back to previous seems very odd to me, guessing there's a reason but seems to inconvenience more people to me.
On a side note, the route change on the X51 in the city centre is advertised on a poster on the bus this morning as starting on the 5th!
Thanks for that Kevin :) I have just realise that was part of the 5th January Changes. Sorry for that
What is the point in putting the 82 back on its old route yes it may be a few minutes late every so often but, well quite often i suppose, but its still better going the other way in my opinion
Well, my speculation would be that people didn't like going through scruffy Heath Town, or bus drivers may not like stopping the bus before turning right in Deans Road. I noticed the buses are a bit big to fit in the right side lane. No idea what is the real reason of re-routing.
On that note, I am pleased it is being re-routed. I prefer the old route than going through Heath Town.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Well, my speculation would be that people didn't like going through scruffy Heath Town
I'd rather go through Heath Town than the urban wasteland/decay of Lower/Horseley Fields.
I'd hazard a guess that NX were making more money along the old route than the current one.
Or maybe they don't like Banga having a monopoly along the Deansfield Road. ;D
maybe its got something to do with reliability especially rush hour peaks. its common to hear the inspectors radioing drivers to find out where they are and the delays. the section of deans rd from the railway bridge to wolverhampton lights is notorious for being traffic logged especially with people using the old heath road rat run. the amount of times its being late/people complaining being late for work or connections maybe why they have reverted it back the old route?
if only buses could jump the traffic queues lol
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Well, my speculation would be that people didn't like going through scruffy Heath Town, or bus drivers may not like stopping the bus before turning right in Deans Road. I noticed the buses are a bit big to fit in the right side lane. No idea what is the real reason of re-routing.
On that note, I am pleased it is being re-routed. I prefer the old route than going through Heath Town.
I really don't think the 82 would be rerouted away from Heath Town because passengers don't like the look of it. As said above its mainly to do with unreliability on Wednesfield Red especially at Peak Time
Quote from: SMK on January 01, 2014, 07:07:01 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Well, my speculation would be that people didn't like going through scruffy Heath Town
1) I'd rather go through Heath Town than the urban wasteland/decay of Lower/Horseley Fields.
2) I'd hazard a guess that NX were making more money along the old route than the current one.
Or maybe they don't like Banga having a monopoly along the Deansfield Road. ;D
1) That is your opinion.
2) Maybe.
Quote from: Nathan on January 01, 2014, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 30, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Well, my speculation would be that people didn't like going through scruffy Heath Town, or bus drivers may not like stopping the bus before turning right in Deans Road. I noticed the buses are a bit big to fit in the right side lane. No idea what is the real reason of re-routing.
On that note, I am pleased it is being re-routed. I prefer the old route than going through Heath Town.
I really don't think the 82 would be rerouted away from Heath Town because passengers don't like the look of it. As said above its mainly to do with unreliability on Wednesfield Red especially at Peak Time
It may seem that my speculation would be invalid but I don't know exactly how NXWM work with their route alterations. I may concur with mranon with the reliability issue.
Will the 82 warrant a stand change in wolverhampton bus station as it will be leaving via the exit onto pipers row?
What makes me smile in these times of constant route tweaks are how routes seem to come full circle, 544 renumbered, rerouted to only return to almost the same with a different number. Others like the 238/289 jump to mind, 333/40...
Quote from: davey on January 01, 2014, 04:13:13 PM
Will the 82 warrant a stand change in wolverhampton bus station as it will be leaving via the exit onto pipers row?
What makes me smile in these times of constant route tweaks are how routes seem to come full circle, 544 renumbered, rerouted to only return to almost the same with a different number. Others like the 238/289 jump to mind, 333/40...
Why would it need a stand change? Plenty of buses on that side of the station exit onto Pipers Row
Quote from: davey on January 01, 2014, 04:13:13 PM
Will the 82 warrant a stand change in wolverhampton bus station as it will be leaving via the exit onto pipers row?
What makes me smile in these times of constant route tweaks are how routes seem to come full circle, 544 renumbered, rerouted to only return to almost the same with a different number. Others like the 238/289 jump to mind, 333/40...
Dunno about 333/40 but apart from Clarkes Lane & Deansfield, doesn't it nearly match a 1980's 531?
PD0001111/56 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Park Street and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 40/41 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
Quote from: pb2012 on January 03, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
PD0001111/56 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Park Street and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 40/41 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
The 40 is amended to serve Clarkes Lane and Portobello estate
Quote from: Stu on December 30, 2013, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Kevin on December 30, 2013, 07:55:38 AM
Rerouting the 82 back to previous seems very odd to me, guessing there's a reason but seems to inconvenience more people to me.
On a side note, the route change on the X51 in the city centre is advertised on a poster on the bus this morning as starting on the 5th!
The X51 change is on the list of changes from the 5th:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/05January2014.aspx
Anyone noticed the error on that list.. X56 Birmingham-CANNOCK via Streetly?? If only lol
Quote from: John on January 03, 2014, 06:40:12 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on January 03, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
PD0001111/56 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Park Street and Willenhall, Union Street given service number 40/41 effective from 26-Jan-2014. To amend Route.
The 40 is amended to serve Clarkes Lane and Portobello estate
Interesting that this is now the second variation registered from the 26th? A simple error on the first, or is an extra tweak now taking place?
I assume the 82 operated by Arriva on Sundays and evenings will keep to the current route?
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Details of Wednesfield, Willenhall and Wolverhampton changes available here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Wednesfield/Bus_services.aspx
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
LS,
Any idea why the date has gone back from end of Feb?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Any idea of details?
Quote from: gc802002 on January 11, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Any idea of details?
They should now start appearing on VOSA from Late Jan/Early Feb
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on January 11, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Any idea of details?
They should now start appearing on VOSA from Late Jan/Early Feb
If there are any changes, after all we looked forward to the last review and it turned into a bit of a none event.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 11, 2014, 06:52:06 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on January 11, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Any idea of details?
They should now start appearing on VOSA from Late Jan/Early Feb
If there are any changes, after all we looked forward to the last review and it turned into a bit of a none event.
Stu, I'll second that!
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on January 11, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2014, 11:19:08 AM
Just to let you know the South Birmingham Changes are set for the 30th March.
Any idea of details?
They should now start appearing on VOSA from Late Jan/Early Feb
From 28th Jan
Quote from: Stu on January 11, 2014, 11:27:10 AM
Details of Wednesfield, Willenhall and Wolverhampton changes available here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Wednesfield/Bus_services.aspx
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Pity it was too much trouble for them to include the changes to the 531 in the bus service change listing for 26th
I wonder if the 65 is replacing the 63 then will Walsall Community transport still operate it or the 65 route pass to Arriva.
I'm still confused by the new 50/53 and changes to the 57
It appears WN 28 will go down Linthouse Lane like it does now but turn left and go down Ridge Lane right onto Moathouse Lane West then Right onto Wood-End Rd to Woodend island turning left to normal line of route
Also i can't tell whether the new 25A/C will go via its current route via West Park and Whitmore Reans as it seems it will go straight down Stafford Rd
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
Also i can't tell whether the new 25A/C will go via its current route via West Park and Whitmore Reans as it seems it will go straight down Stafford Rd
It would appear it's going straight up the Stafford rd
Quote from: Kevin on January 11, 2014, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
Also i can't tell whether the new 25A/C will go via its current route via West Park and Whitmore Reans as it seems it will go straight down Stafford Rd
It would appear it's going straight up the Stafford rd
I wonder if anything will cover the Wolverhampton-Gorsebrook Rd section will be covered by anything?
Also a 480* DAF pulled into Wolverhampton this afternoon with the new 10A-Pattingham Display
Quote from: AMD on January 11, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
Services 62/A will cover Gorsebrook.
65 will be Arriva-operated.
DDs are scheduled to operate all 10/A/B
I know the 62/A will serve Gorsebrook but what about the section between Wolverhampton to Gorsebrook Rd (West Park etc)
Will the Sunday 10 operate as it is now AMD?
Also could you Possibly explain the new 50/3 services route wise (Will these be Arriva too?)and the changes to the 57? Also what will the frequency and operating hours be for the new 65 service?
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2014, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: AMD on January 11, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
Services 62/A will cover Gorsebrook.
65 will be Arriva-operated.
DDs are scheduled to operate all 10/A/B
I know the 62/A will serve Gorsebrook but what about the section between Wolverhampton to Gorsebrook Rd (West Park etc)
According to the map: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/Wednesfield/Wednesfield_map_web.pdf (http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/Wednesfield/Wednesfield_map_web.pdf), it doesn't look like anything will directly copy the current route to Gorsebrook.
The 6/A and 5/A already cover some of it though.
Quote from: SMK on January 12, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 11, 2014, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: AMD on January 11, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
Services 62/A will cover Gorsebrook.
65 will be Arriva-operated.
DDs are scheduled to operate all 10/A/B
I know the 62/A will serve Gorsebrook but what about the section between Wolverhampton to Gorsebrook Rd (West Park etc)
According to the map: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/Wednesfield/Wednesfield_map_web.pdf (http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/Wednesfield/Wednesfield_map_web.pdf), it doesn't look like anything will directly copy the current route to Gorsebrook.
The 6/A and 5/A already cover some of it though.
It literally is just the stretch around West Park that hasn't been replaced then, isn't it? Be honest, would it be missed?
No not really. If people want West Park then they can catch the 5/A,6 etc then walk the short distance
Also looking at the Wednesfield map the 28E is colour coded grey which means there is no change to the route however it suggests the 28E serves The Ashmore Park Loop when it only serves the bottom part of Griffiths drive like the NX28 will do
Also will the full 25A/C loop operate on Sundays?
How will the 62/A interworking work now without the 26?
Also what will happen to evening and Sundays 27's interworking wise?
Quote from: Nathan on January 12, 2014, 10:58:05 PM
Also will the full 25A/C loop operate on Sundays?
Interesting question, as the 26A is unchanged. As well as this, what will the frequency of the 25A/C be? Hourly each or half hourly each?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 12, 2014, 11:48:28 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 12, 2014, 10:58:05 PM
Also will the full 25A/C loop operate on Sundays?
Interesting question, as the 26A is unchanged. As well as this, what will the frequency of the 25A/C be? Hourly each or half hourly each?
Half hourly both ways Mon-Sat and would be hourly Sundays both ways but I wonder i f the full loop will operate Sundays or if it will operate as a 25E to Bilston?
The full changes in Wolverhampton for NX are as follows:
25A/C- Will operate directly down Stafford Rd then it will serve the I54 business Park then follow current route to Third Avenue where it will observe the 25A route up Cannock Road,Black halve Lane and Long Knowle Lane then it will turn left onto Prestwood Road West then Ridge Lane then Wood end Red where it will continue via the current 25A route to Wednesfield then o Bilston is current route in which I will followthe 26 route back to W'ton.
26-Service is directly replaced by the 25A/C. 26 route was withdrawn
27-Evening And Sunday Timetable changes
28-Will serve only the bottom of Griffith's Drive (59 covers the Ashmore Park Loop at frequent intervals) and will also observe Ridge Lane,Moat-House Lane West then right onto Wood-End Road to the Island joining Prestwood Road to normal line of route. Will leave W'ton Via Pipers Row,Queen St observing the 59 stop on on Princess St and following the 59 out of Wolverhampton
40-Will serve Clarkes Lane and will on a trial basis serve Portobello Estate then Moseley Road onto Willenhall at the request of passengers. If well used this will be the new route.
41-Timetable changes
59-New Bus Shelters being installed along the route
62/A-Will go down Stafford Rd then down Gorsebrook Rd to normal line of route. Also the 62A will extend from Tettenhall Wood to Per ton Sainsbury's
69-Will revert to Lichfield Rd instead of of Linthouse Lane and will not serve W'ton Bus Station. It will loop that city centre like the 89. New Terminus is Victoria St. Will be retimed to operate a joint 15 minute frequency with the 89 between Wolves and New Invention
82-Will serve Deans field Rd and Horseley Fields instead of Wednesfield Rd to improve reliability
89-Retimetabled to operate a joint 15 minute frequency between Wolverhampton and New Invention. Current frequency retained
Changes are now listed on the NXWM website.
The 41 evening journeys appear to now be operated by NXWM instead of Diamond Bus, and will operate the 'full' route (via New Invention/Allens Rough). It'll be interesting to see if these are interworked in with the 40 or another route.
The 27 is presumably going to interwork with another route in the evenings as it states journey times are amended in the evenings.
Another slightly trivial change, is the introduction of a 0500 ex West Brom & 0528 ex Kingstanding journey on the 5.
The 27 could possibly go onto the 5/10 boards interworking with them but i would have to check timetables about that.
The 62/A would have to interwork with another B6 route and the only one i can think of that seems likley is the 28
I presume the 50/53 are Arriva as they replace the 531- they are still not in the weekly changes and I cannot find anything on the Arriva website or vosa.
Quote from: mikestone on January 13, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
I presume the 50/53 are Arriva as they replace the 531- they are still not in the weekly changes and I cannot find anything on the Arriva website or vosa.
The 50 will replace parts of the 57/63, The 53 will replace the 531/Parts of the 57/63
The 65 will cover parts of the 63 and replace the current WCT 65
Also Notepanel, In regards to the 41 route i think it means NX will operate extra journeys into the evening (Finishing later than at present) before Arriva take over during the evening :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: mikestone on January 13, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
I presume the 50/53 are Arriva as they replace the 531- they are still not in the weekly changes and I cannot find anything on the Arriva website or vosa.
The 50 will replace parts of the 57/63, The 53 will replace the 531/Parts of the 57/63
The 65 will cover parts of the 63 and replace the current WCT 65
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That's in the area leaflet, which does not mention operators at all - you'd think it might be a good idea to tell people if there is a different operator or re-assure them it is the same one.
Yes i do agree there mike that the operators should be included in the leaflet.
Btw unless you aren't aware (You most likley are aware) it has been confirmed by AMD that
The 50,53,57 (Already operated by Arriva),65 and the evening and Sunday 41's will be taken on by Arriva Wednesfield garage
I would just like to point that my previous post about the info being on the NXWM website was prior to it being fully loaded up!
Whilst I can understand why, it's confusing to see the timetable of the 40/41 is changing in the peak hours - it's always been (3)40 at 25 & 55 and (3)41 at 10 & 40 past!
It's interesting to note that the last 40 through to Wolverhampton from Walsall will be at 1700 (1655) weekdays, with more journeys now terminating at Willenhall. The confusion with my comment earlier regarding the 41 evening service, is that NXWM will now be operating the 1955 journey from Walsall.
It also appears that NXWM values a 15 minute frequency Wolverhampton-New Invention, over a 15 minute Walsall-New Invention frequency, as the 69 will now be leaving at 00 & 30 minutes past the hour.
Also of note are a couple of new 'E' workings - 69E Walsall-New Invention & 69E Walsall - Wednesfield (as well as commencing from these destinations). There will also be a 40 commencing from Attlee Road/Poplar Road (for the sake of a couple of minutes you'd think this would start from Jane Lane School to be able to serve Churchill/Attlee Road!),
Where will the 69 be departing at 00 and 30 past the hour?
Also do you know what times the Walsall-Wednedfield 69 will be? (Would this be early evening?)
Personally i think a evening and sunday 69 would work.
Quote from: Nathan on January 13, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Where will the 69 be departing at 00 and 30 past the hour?
Also do you know what times the Walsall-Wednedfield 69 will be? (Would this be early evening?)
Personally i think a evening and sunday 69 would work.
From Walsall sorry.
The 69E to Wednesfield will depart from Walsall at 1810 on weekdays and 1800 on Saturdays. This is followed 30 minutes later by the 69E to New Invention.
I personally do not see how the 40 is operated commercially on evenings/Sundays, but the 41 is not, as the 41 is usually the busier service!
Will the 69E to Wednesfield at 18:10 be a existing journey that currently terminates in Wolverhampton or an extra journey? Btw if the 69E journey you mention is the last trip then it already exists. The last journey (I think its board W69/03) terminates in New Invention
I did think the 40 was tendered but obviously not :) What are the loadings like on the Sunday 40's?
Quote from: Nathan on January 14, 2014, 05:31:48 PM
Will the 69E to Wednesfield at 18:10 be a existing journey that currently terminates in Wolverhampton or an extra journey? Btw if the 69E journey you mention is the last trip then it already exists. The last journey (I think its board W69/03) terminates in New Invention
Yes sorry, the 69E New Invention already exists, the new 69E to Wednesfield will essentially be the current 1805 journey terminated short.
I was comparing the 40/41 new weekday timetables today, and was quite surprised to discover there aren't quite as many cuts as I believed when I first looked.
Heading out of Walsall, there are effectively 3 journeys that will now terminate short at Willenhall & one 40E journey that is withdrawn without replacement, however there are also the new early morning 40 journey from Bentley into Wolverhampton and the 1955 41 replacing the current Diamond operated journey being introduced.
Again, heading into Walsall bar the 3 journeys that will now commence in Willenhall rather than Wolverhampton there is no reduction in the number of journeys - in fact it increases by one with the additional early evening 41.
Just to throw something into the mix... Looking at the 25A/C timetable, anyone know/guess how it's gonna work, does the 25A interwork with the 25C? Because the round trip is 1hr48 for the 25A and 1hr39 for the 25C (which in itself kinda makes no sense - sure there's got to be a reason for it to take 10 mins longer in one direction?)
I can't work out the 25A/C in the week at present but I will find out for Anyone who is wondering :)
The 62/A I think will interwork together
Sunday 25/7 could still interwork together
Quote from: Kevin on January 14, 2014, 08:24:29 PM
Just to throw something into the mix... Looking at the 25A/C timetable, anyone know/guess how it's gonna work, does the 25A interwork with the 25C? Because the round trip is 1hr48 for the 25A and 1hr39 for the 25C (which in itself kinda makes no sense - sure there's got to be a reason for it to take 10 mins longer in one direction?)
Looking at the timetable it does appear that they will interwork with one another. I personally had just assumed the loop would operate continuously (like the 8/11) and hadn't really paid much attention!
I wonder what it will have on the destination display - it's only really a 'Circular' service from the first stop!
Maybe it will just have Wolverhampton Via the stopping points?
I thought Circulars were frowned upon these days?
That's the impression I got when I asked NXOD on the old mega thread re the old Walsall ones.
Quote from: Westy on January 15, 2014, 06:44:21 AM
I thought Circulars were frowned upon these days?
That's the impression I got when I asked NXOD on the old mega thread re the old Walsall ones.
When on a continuous loop yes, as they can't really have any significant layover built in when things go wrong and so reliability can be hard to maintain.
However, essentially the Wolverhampton 'Circular' isn't a circular, it is a route operating Wolverhampton-Wolverhampton.
A passenger boarding in Low Hill for instance, will not have a choice of going 'the long way round the circle' to get to the i54 development (not that anybody particularly would want to!) - they can only get the 25A there and 25C back.
The timetables appear to point towards the 25A switching to a 25C upon arrival at Wolverhampton, with around 8-10 minutes layover there.
I really do not understand the purpose of making this route a Circular. I think it has the potential to be very confusing. I also find one of the key points of the new service 'a new link between Goldthorn Park & i54' a joke.
It would take 1 hour 4 minutes on the 25A, or the quicker route would be 15 minutes on the 25C to Wolverhampton, then change onto a 25C from Wolverhampton for a 15 minute ride to i54!
Not sure is anyone will remember but last year i made a topic about interworkings and i said the 25 & 26 should interwork and matt said that was stupid looks like I called it
Quote from: NXDom on January 16, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
Not sure is anyone will remember but last year i made a topic about interworkings and i said the 25 & 26 should interwork and matt said that was stupid looks like I called it
Except the 25/6 won't interwork as the the 26 is being withdrawn and replaced with an extended 25.
Although it was an interesting idea at the time of you posting that there wasn't any need for the 25/6 to interwork
A later trip on the 74 has been added in these changes. 00.30 from Birmingham. Not sure if it terminates in WB or Great Bridge.
Quote from: uniquicity on January 16, 2014, 10:53:32 AM
A later trip on the 74 has been added in these changes. 00.30 from Birmingham. Not sure if it terminates in WB or Great Bridge.
It will terminate at Great Bridge, this is basically the current 0015 journey pushed back by 15 minutes. The 2355 journey through to Dudley will now operate at 0000.
To be fair nathan it's not a interwork but it is combining the tow routes together so there isn't much of a differance but anyway i wander what the main allocation is going to be because the 25/A is mainly mercs and a couple of B6's and the 26 is all B6 on a normal day so i recon probably merc and B7rle if there are any spare in the garage
Quote from: NXDom on January 16, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
To be fair nathan it's not a interwork but it is combining the tow routes together so there isn't much of a differance but anyway i wander what the main allocation is going to be because the 25/A is mainly mercs and a couple of B6's and the 26 is all B6 on a normal day so i recon probably merc and B7rle if there are any spare in the garage
You just repeated what i said! I believe the current allocation (More Tridents/Spectra's will be appearing) of the 25 will be kept.
62/A will interwork on their own too
Timetables now available online
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-26th-january-2014
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Wednesfield/New_timetables.aspx
Quote from: Westy on January 19, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
Timetables now available online
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-26th-january-2014
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Wednesfield/New_timetables.aspx
Anyone notice which non NXWM service hasn't got a timetable on the Centro site (clue - if it's not changed then I highly doubt it will remain on stops anyway!)
Looking at the NWM site it's interesting that the 41 will now be operated by 3 operators - NXWM Mon-Sat daytimes, Arriva Mon-Sun evenings & WMSNT on Sunday daytimes!
In addition, whilst a 30 minute combined Evening frequency has been maintained (Mon-Sat) and a 25-35 on a Sunday daytime from Walsall, into Walsall most evening commercial 40 journeys are operating just 5 minutes behind the subsidised 41 service from Stroud Ave into Walsall. On a Sunday daytime there is a 10 minute gap between the two.
Quote from: notepanel on January 19, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Looking at the NWM site it's interesting that the 41 will now be operated by 3 operators - NXWM Mon-Sat daytimes, Arriva Mon-Sun evenings & WMSNT on Sunday daytimes!
In addition, whilst a 30 minute combined Evening frequency has been maintained (Mon-Sat) and a 25-35 on a Sunday daytime from Walsall, into Walsall most evening commercial 40 journeys are operating just 5 minutes behind the subsidised 41 service from Stroud Ave into Walsall. On a Sunday daytime there is a 10 minute gap between the two.
Think that's bad...the X96 at one stage had 4 operators - NXWM (M-S daytimes), Hansons (1 evening trip ex Dudley to MH), Diamond (Sundays) and Midland (M-S Evenings).
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 19, 2014, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: notepanel on January 19, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Looking at the NWM site it's interesting that the 41 will now be operated by 3 operators - NXWM Mon-Sat daytimes, Arriva Mon-Sun evenings & WMSNT on Sunday daytimes!
In addition, whilst a 30 minute combined Evening frequency has been maintained (Mon-Sat) and a 25-35 on a Sunday daytime from Walsall, into Walsall most evening commercial 40 journeys are operating just 5 minutes behind the subsidised 41 service from Stroud Ave into Walsall. On a Sunday daytime there is a 10 minute gap between the two.
Think that's bad...the X96 at one stage had 4 operators - NXWM (M-S daytimes), Hansons (1 evening trip ex Dudley to MH), Diamond (Sundays) and Midland (M-S Evenings).
89 too, NXWM (Monday-Saturday daytimes), Central Logistics and Redwing (Monday-Friday off peak, Birmingham to Manor Road, Post Office), Central Connect (evenings and Sundays)
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 19, 2014, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: notepanel on January 19, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Looking at the NWM site it's interesting that the 41 will now be operated by 3 operators - NXWM Mon-Sat daytimes, Arriva Mon-Sun evenings & WMSNT on Sunday daytimes!
In addition, whilst a 30 minute combined Evening frequency has been maintained (Mon-Sat) and a 25-35 on a Sunday daytime from Walsall, into Walsall most evening commercial 40 journeys are operating just 5 minutes behind the subsidised 41 service from Stroud Ave into Walsall. On a Sunday daytime there is a 10 minute gap between the two.
Think that's bad...the X96 at one stage had 4 operators - NXWM (M-S daytimes), Hansons (1 evening trip ex Dudley to MH), Diamond (Sundays) and Midland (M-S Evenings).
Then there was that odd stage when Midland and D&G dupicated jorneys on the 297B and X96.
What about the 71, there are 4 operators now, diamond on evenings & NX, claribels & sunny travel during the day. At one stage we even had VIP on Sundays making that 5 operators on one route. Now that's gotta be a record.
Quote from: notepanel on January 19, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Looking at the NWM site it's interesting that the 41 will now be operated by 3 operators - NXWM Mon-Sat daytimes, Arriva Mon-Sun evenings & WMSNT on Sunday daytimes!
In addition, whilst a 30 minute combined Evening frequency has been maintained (Mon-Sat) and a 25-35 on a Sunday daytime from Walsall, into Walsall most evening commercial 40 journeys are operating just 5 minutes behind the subsidised 41 service from Stroud Ave into Walsall. On a Sunday daytime there is a 10 minute gap between the two.
Did NX put a tender in for the 41?
On the 89, the leaflet indicates that the evening journeys are subsidised.
Is that the entire route or just a section?
The last few journeys on the 89 have been subsidised since late October I think
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
The last few journeys on the 89 have been subsidised since late October I think
Yes but which section? Wolves to Bloxwich or Bloxwich to Walsall!
Quote from: Westy on January 20, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 20, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
The last few journeys on the 89 have been subsidised since late October I think
Yes but which section? Wolves to Bloxwich or Bloxwich to Walsall!
I believe its the Bloxwich to Wolverhampton section
There has been an exhibition in Wolves Bus Station this afternoon about the changes. It states in the leaflet that new bus stops are being put in place along the 59 route, which although a lot have already been replaced, seems to have already taken effect with the existing bus stops along the route that new replacing have started to have new shelters installed.
It appears the Walsall Community Transport (Will pass to Arriva next Week) 65 service (Wolverhmpton-Wood-End) will have longer operating hours now its extending to
Fordhouses.
The 62/A will be allocated B6' still with the B6's having transponders fitted to activate the bus lane at Perton. These will come from some B7's that already have them fitted
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
There has been an exhibition in Wolves Bus Station this afternoon about the changes. It states in the leaflet that new bus stops are being put in place along the 59 route, which although a lot have already been replaced, seems to have already taken effect with the existing bus stops along the route that new replacing have started to have new shelters installed.
It appears the Walsall Community Transport (Will pass to Arriva next Week) 65 service (Wolverhmpton-Wood-End) will have longer operating hours now its extending to
Fordhouses.
The 62/A will be allocated B6' still with the B6's having transponders fitted to activate the bus lane at Perton. These will come from some B7's that already have them fitted
Nathan, are all the WN B7s fitted with Transponders or only a few?
I don't know the fleetnumbrs stu but i have been told 20 of them are fitted with Transponders so some of those will have there's taken off and fitted to some B6's :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
I don't know the fleetnumbrs stu but i have been told 20 of them are fitted with Transponders so some of those will have there's taken off and fitted to some B6's :)
Thanks Nathan :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 21, 2014, 07:25:31 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
I don't know the fleetnumbrs stu but i have been told 20 of them are fitted with Transponders so some of those will have there's taken off and fitted to some B6's :)
Thanks Nathan :)
Not to worry :) It appears the 62A will not serve Compton Square any or and will go straight to Perton.
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Quote from: SMK on January 22, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Maybe to the 25A/C?
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2014, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: SMK on January 22, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Maybe to the 25A/C?
I'm guessing it's to do with them and the 50, 53 and possibly the 57 and 65.
A mate said they'd seen some notices up about it in the bus station but didn't look at the details.
NWM's website doesn't have any details about them atm.
Quote from: SMK on January 23, 2014, 07:47:35 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 22, 2014, 09:41:05 PM
Quote from: SMK on January 22, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Maybe to the 25A/C?
I'm guessing it's to do with them and the 50, 53 and possibly the 57 and 65.
A mate said they'd seen some notices up about it in the bus station but didn't look at the details.
NWM's website doesn't have any details about them atm.
The 69 won't go into Wolverhampton Bus Station either, it will take the same route as the 89.
If I lived in the Gorsebrook Road area of Wolverhampton I would not be happy, they are losing a service that ran throughout most of the day for a service that runs off peak
Quote from: SMK on January 22, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Stand A: 62/62A, 63, 64, 891, 892.
Stand B: 25C.
Stand C: 22, 82, 890.
Stand G: 28, 28/E, 57, 65, 500.
Stand N: 25A, 27/27A.
Stand P: 40, 50, 53.
It appears that the 40 is swapping stands with the 26(25A/C) and 27. The timetables are now up in Bus Stops except the ones on my stop on Lichfield Road in Wednesfield (By Gala Bingo,Poundstrecher and tesco) have been muddled up so the Wolverhampton Bound stop has the timetable for Ashmore Park/New Invention bound services and vice versa
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 23, 2014, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: SMK on January 22, 2014, 09:37:42 PM
I've heard there will be a few changes to which stand certain routes will depart from within Wolves Bus Station.
Does anyone know the details?
Stand A: 62/62A, 63, 64, 891, 892.
Stand B: 25C.
Stand C: 22, 82, 890.
Stand G: 28, 28/E, 57, 65, 500.
Stand N: 25A, 27/27A.
Stand P: 40, 50, 53.
Cheers for the info.
It makes sense having the 40 on the stand in front of the 529's stand.
I believe the 40 originally went from Stand P when the bus station initially opened
Still no mention of the 50,53,57,531 changes on the main list of service changes on the NWM website - I know they are elsewhere on the website, but why should anyone need to go searching for them?
;
nor does it say what the arrangements are for the 360A/C
Have any of the timetable leaflets appeared in the travel shops yet?
Didn't see any Nx related ones, only Arriva's 57 at Walsall.
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2014, 10:27:38 PM
Have any of the timetable leaflets appeared in the travel shops yet?
Didn't see any Nx related ones, only Arriva's 57 at Walsall.
Birmingham had some. I got the 25A/C, plus the Arriva 50 service and the 10/A/B. They had more as well but I can not remember which
Any south Birmingham changes on the Notices & Proceedings yet? Anytime from now really....
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2014, 10:27:38 PM
Have any of the timetable leaflets appeared in the travel shops yet?
Didn't see any Nx related ones, only Arriva's 57 at Walsall.
Birmingham had some. I got the 25A/C, plus the Arriva 50 service and the 10/A/B. They had more as well but I can not remember which
I managed to get all the timetables for 26th Jan from Wolverhampton Bus Station on Tuesday
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 26, 2014, 10:06:54 AM
Any south Birmingham changes on the Notices & Proceedings yet? Anytime from now really....
I've not seen any yet, they should appear within the next week or so
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:32:19 AM
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2014, 10:27:38 PM
Have any of the timetable leaflets appeared in the travel shops yet?
Didn't see any Nx related ones, only Arriva's 57 at Walsall.
Birmingham had some. I got the 25A/C, plus the Arriva 50 service and the 10/A/B. They had more as well but I can not remember which
I managed to get all the timetables for 26th Jan from Wolverhampton Bus Station on Tuesday
Right, but in Walsall, they should have least had the new versions of the 69/70/70a, the 8/8a/89 & 40/41 leaflets on display.
Would they have been in the back room behind the counter?
I do hope the Walsall staff aren't being awkward & sticking them out on Monday, or is it really a case of leaflets not being delivered on time, in which case, seeing that the information is available online already, they should print some copies off for the casual punter.
The PDF copies on line are readable, plus do the staff at Walsall work for NX or Centro because they should also print out the NWM version not the Nx version.
Common sense really.
The staff at Walsall are employed by NX.
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The pdfs are readable on line, but I couldn't find a way to stop them printing out with timetables split across two pages
I just travelled on 25A, it seems that the route is operated by Mercs, haven't seen different types of buses yet. The 25 interworks at Wolverhampton bus station - 25A changes to 25C and 25C changes to 25A. I'm not sure about the evening service interworking? Anyone?
Tried the revised 62A this afternoon. Nice change of scenery. People in Perton are happy with the direct link to Tettenhall Village and ASDA. Some people in Whitmore Reans are baffled by the changes and NWM don't help as they haven't changed the majority of the flags so alot of people are waiting at the now unserved stops. Also there are no stops in Perton for the 62A although I know that's the responsibility of Staffordshire County Council to sort out at some point. The route should only really be operates by B6LE's. The drivers are happy with the amount of time they have on both the 62 and 62A. During the day the 62 and 62A interwork. Board 62/02 does 3 trips on the 11 in the morning and the afternoon 716. Board 62/03 starts on the 716 and does 3 and a half 11 trips in the afternoon (weekdays). Not sure what happens on a saturday and not sure the details of 62/01. May have got the boards mixed up but there are only 3 so that's as useful as I can be without pestering drivers too much with 20 questions
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 03:16:49 PM
I just travelled on 25A, it seems that the route is operated by Mercs, haven't seen different types of buses yet. The 25 interworks at Wolverhampton bus station - 25A changes to 25C and 25C changes to 25A. I'm not sure about the evening service interworking? Anyone?
Evening and Sunday 25/27 interworking still applies P419 EJW as I saw yesterday :) Route 6 branded 2072 is on the 25A/C this afternoon! (Don't know if has been on all day) Saw it on a 25A on Ridge Lane in Wednesfield about 16:50
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 03:16:49 PM
I just travelled on 25A, it seems that the route is operated by Mercs, haven't seen different types of buses yet. The 25 interworks at Wolverhampton bus station - 25A changes to 25C and 25C changes to 25A. I'm not sure about the evening service interworking? Anyone?
The 25A/C should have the same allocation as the previous 25/A so double deckers may work the route from time to time
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2014, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 03:16:49 PM
I just travelled on 25A, it seems that the route is operated by Mercs, haven't seen different types of buses yet. The 25 interworks at Wolverhampton bus station - 25A changes to 25C and 25C changes to 25A. I'm not sure about the evening service interworking? Anyone?
Evening and Sunday 25/27 interworking still applies, P419 EJW, as I saw yesterday. :) Route 6 branded 2072 is on the 25A/C this afternoon! (Don't know if has been on all day). Saw it on a 25A on Ridge Lane in Wednesfield about 16:50.
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2014, 06:38:29 PM
The 25A/C should have the same allocation as the previous 25/A so double deckers may work the route from time to time.
Thanks, Nathan. Appreciate the help! I was hoping for a B6 to operate the 25 route, was a bit disappointed that the crappy Mercs were operating.
No worries :) You may still be a B6 regually :) its only the first day of the full loop so we will have wait and see what appears over the next few days :) (Knowing PL probably a B5!)
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2014, 07:21:09 PM
No worries :) You may still be a B6 regually :) its only the first day of the full loop so we will have wait and see what appears over the next few days :) (Knowing PL probably a B5!)
Yes. The driver kept looking at the board, he even printed out a paper of the road names for 25A and C, lol bless him. He was confused as to when to change to C from A. He intended to change it in Bilston. I had to explain to him briefly about changing the blinds.
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
I was hoping for a B6 to operate the 25 route, was a bit disappointed that the crappy Mercs were operating.
Could be worse - I would take a Merc over any other bus at Wolverhampton except a B6.
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2014, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
I was hoping for a B6 to operate the 25 route, was a bit disappointed that the crappy Mercs were operating.
Could be worse - I would take a Merc over any other bus at Wolverhampton except a B6.
I suppose you're right. I hadn't had thought in that way, I agree with you, Matt!
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2014, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 27, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
I was hoping for a B6 to operate the 25 route, was a bit disappointed that the crappy Mercs were operating.
Could be worse - I would take a Merc over any other bus at Wolverhampton except a B6.
I agree too :) That's why I will never bother catching it on Sundays as its plagued with B7's!
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2014, 07:21:09 PM
No worries :) You may still be a B6 regually :) its only the first day of the full loop so we will have wait and see what appears over the next few days :) (Knowing PL probably a B5!)
Funny you should say that.....
5512 working the 25 yesterday evening
Quote from: 4006 on January 28, 2014, 01:59:03 AM
Quote from: Nathan on January 27, 2014, 07:21:09 PM
No worries :) You may still be a B6 regually :) its only the first day of the full loop so we will have wait and see what appears over the next few days :) (Knowing PL probably a B5!)
Funny you should say that.....
5512 working the 25 yesterday evening
I had a feeling it wouldn't be long before a B5 appeared!
One of the changes which I can see lots of complaints for is the 28 only serving the bottom of Griffiths Drive. When the review was put in place back in 2011, The 28 only served the bottom of Ashmore Park and this caused a lot of complaints leading to the route being extended round the drive. A lot of elderly people rely on the 28 to get into the Hospital Grounds (The 59 doesn't serve the grounds itself) so I can see the complaints over again and the reinstatement of the 28 going all the way around Ashmore Park
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
One of the changes which I can see lots of complaints for is the 28 only serving the bottom of Griffiths Drive. When the review was put in place back in 2011, The 28 only served the bottom of Ashmore Park and this caused a lot of complaints leading to the route being extended round the drive. A lot of elderly people rely on the 28 to get into the Hospital Grounds (The 59 doesn't serve the grounds itself) so I can see the complaints over again and the reinstatement of the 28 going all the way around Ashmore Park
Probably along with the 25 not going down Ridge Lane anymore (again)
the 62A not going to Perton but going back to Compton
All the routes being renumbered with a '5' in front to avoid confusion!!
LOL
It would appear NWM are on the ball with updating their maps for a change, just picked up a Jan 2014 bus map for Wolves, when all the other district maps were updated for Dec 2013
Many people tried hard for a long while to get the 62A re routed to serve Perton and it's also a new link from Tettenhall. I personally doubt that will change until the route eventually gets re-tendered at some point this year
Quote from: Kevin on February 01, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
It would appear NWM are on the ball with updating their maps for a change, just picked up a Jan 2014 bus map for Wolves, when all the other district maps were updated for Dec 2013
They were probably waiting for the changes to take effect.
(Only drawback it makes the Walsall & Dudley / Sandwell ones slightly out of date now!)
Why didn't network west midlands wait
for the changes before putting out new maps
as they want to save money
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
Quote from: NXDom on February 02, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
What do you mean by Pictures of the new routes??? Do you mean pics of buses on those routes? Bit vague for me
Quote from: Nathan on February 02, 2014, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: NXDom on February 02, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
What do you mean by Pictures of the new routes??? Do you mean pics of buses on those routes? Bit vague for me
Yeah
Quote from: Ashley on February 01, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
Many people tried hard for a long while to get the 62A re routed to serve Perton and it's also a new link from Tettenhall. I personally doubt that will change until the route eventually gets re-tendered at some point this year
Is it not up for review in April? seams strange to alter a route that one could possibly loose (or give up on) in such a short period?
The changes on the 40 have actually made it into the Evening Mail, they must be running out of things to report.
Quote from: NXDom on February 02, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
Not the best but it was bloody hard work getting this (and the weather was a pain!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/12404856675/in/photostream/
Quote from: 4006 on February 09, 2014, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: NXDom on February 02, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
Not the best but it was bloody hard work getting this (and the weather was a pain!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/12404856675/in/photostream/
It looks like someone's gone wild on photoshop with how bent those trees are in the background. Excellent shot, mind.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on February 09, 2014, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: 4006 on February 09, 2014, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: NXDom on February 02, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
has anybody got any pictures of the new routes yet?
Not the best but it was bloody hard work getting this (and the weather was a pain!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/12404856675/in/photostream/
It looks like someone's gone wild on photoshop with how bent those trees are in the background. Excellent shot, mind.
lol No, Trust me the weather was terrible & extremely windy indeed. Another difficult day out and about but at least I managed to get a few pics
Here's another:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/12407141614/in/photostream/
Maybe I should have removed the lamp post before taking the picture though ;D ;D ;D